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A ridiculous number of books published recently have been about Trump. Similarly, just about every article published on any topic lately seems to include a reference to the sheer agony of living in a world where Trump is President. And here’s a critic disappointed that a new novel set in the near future about a fictional self-improvement cult isn’t about Trump. From The Atlantic’s print edition (which is usually usually written by grown-ups, while much of the online stuff is written by interns):

Sam Lipsyte’s Lame Send-up of a Guru and His Acolytes
In Hark, the characters are distracted, and their author veers between satire and sincerity.

A. O. SCOTT
JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2019 ISSUE

Scott is the better of the NYT’s two main film critics.

Lipsyte writes amusing semi-satirical how-we-live-now novels like The Ask, which was about working for the NYU development office. He’s the son of engagée sportswriter Robert Lipsyte, but seems to lack his dad’s simplistic confidence about who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

The novel’s tone and premise point toward satire, a mode that depends on accurate aim and swift, sharp impact. Lipsyte has a full quiver and a range of targets that include cosmopolitan culinary trends, urban-parenting dogmas, digital-workplace dynamics, and the arrogance of the technocratic ruling class. But satire is especially hard to pull off right now, its objects at once too obvious and too obtuse for effective puncturing. The dystopian imagination, looking for intimations of disaster that might be exaggerated for cautionary or corrective ends, finds itself beggared by reality on a daily basis.

Lipsyte, casting his eye toward a semi-plausible near future, has an astute ear for corporate and therapeutic idioms and how they echo each other. He knows the habits and attitudes of world-beaters and slackers alike. The universe of Hark looks pretty familiar, although politics, the bane and boon of most contemporary satirists, receives little more than a lazy, glancing shot:

He’s not an evil man, this president, nor a good one. He was elected to undo the catastrophic policies of his predecessor, who was herself elected to undo the apocalyptic agenda of the man before her, but it all seems too late for that these days, mostly because it’s always been too late, though now, pundits agree, this moment is steeped in a radical and irrevocable lateness, a tardy totality heretofore unseen.

An update flashes: president has not ruled out ground forces in Bulgaria.

That’s enough of that, just so we’re clear on what and whom Hark is not about.

In other words, this novel (the first from Lipsyte since 2012) is not about Trump. That violates the standing order: All Hands on Deck. Denouncing Trump is the only legitimate subject of any cultural work in the Current Year.

 
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  1. DFH says:

    Wouldn’t Romania be a much more natural location for the president to be deploying ground forces?

    • Replies: @Rufus
  2. At least somebody’s talking about the Bulgaria problem…

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  3. Sounds like Tom Wolfe warming up in the bullpen.

  4. I wonder how crazy it gets if we have Trumpslide 2020?

  5. Polynikes says:

    The modern urban upper-class illiterati aren’t all that bright, and Trump occupies a large amount of real estate in their collective heads. Maybe we could excuse them this one time?

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  6. @Redneck farmer

    the elite will not let that happen. They were caught off guard in 16, they wont’ again.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    , @Precious
  7. Zigly says:

    Is it really true the online version of the Atlantic is written by interns? I assumed the online version was the same as the print version, and the Atlantic had simply lost its collective mind.

    Knowing there’s a print version that isn’t as absolutely shitty as the online version would make me feel a bit better. I used to enjoy reading the Atlantic before it went batshit crazy–with typos. It was such an abrupt downgrade in literary quality, it was a little frightening.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @dvorak
    , @Skyler_the_Weird
  8. Dtbb says:

    That line about dystopian imagination… Steve, didn’t you write that identical thought a few months back?

  9. Fwiw, a shrink friend who’s written a book (I’ve looked at it and it seems interesting and publishable to me) was recently told by his agent to forget publishing it for a couple of years. At the moment, all the NYC editors want to buy is books related to Trump, she told him.

  10. dvorak says:
    @Zigly

    It was such an abrupt downgrade in literary quality, it was a little frightening.

    The Atlantic was moved from Boston to D.C. and was dumbed down to the level of D.C.

  11. Frankly, we need more books about the female perspective on vampires.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
  12. @Zigly

    I thought the online version was outsourced to India but I can see it being written by Interns now. Sepoys won’t work for free like Interns will.

    • Replies: @Rufus
  13. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:

    Kind of like how Jimmy Fallon was criticized for “humanizing” Trump by having him on his show and playing with his hair?

  14. Glaivester says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Of course, we’ve discovered what the male perspective on vampire/werewolf romance stories is.

    More guns!

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Underworld_(film_series)

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  15. wren says:

    Add to this that it is becoming increasingly hard for people to identify satire when so much of modern culture doesn’t make sense and depends on doublethink.

    Titania McGrath authored an article the other day, and a surprising number of the commenters on it didn’t think it was satire.

    https://quillette.com/2018/12/13/i-now-understand-how-nelson-mandela-felt/

  16. Lagertha says:

    This is it. White liberals need to wake up. Wake the f*ck up!

    Their precious offspring will be the homeless of 2021. There is no affirmative action for their kids, Jewish or not. And, no one gives a shit in CA or NYC, the 2 mega-tech cities. Of course, they better get good with Texas, as Austin will be on the leader-board of “family-formation incomes, ” and decent, normal lives as we (in our late 50’s-60’s) hope to so see grandchildren…any, grandchildren. Liberals are screwed…move away (if you have less than 500K, and are in your 60’s) asap, from Cali or the Northeast.

  17. Eric F says:

    The Ask had some subversive moments regarding the bullying nature of contemporary progressives and progressive rhetoric.

  18. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    I love to pore through the classical music concert reviews and such at the New Yorker, looking for the single, coded, dog-whistle Trump reference. Classical music writers at some level know that it’s ridiculous to bring up Trump, so you can feel them reisting it until the very end, when they can no longer hold it in and you get the “In these dark times …” or “In this moment …” and then something about how the music program evokes the age or gives succor to the audience or whatever.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  19. Neuday says:
    @ACommenter

    If the elite are so certain, why are they positioning Kamala Harris to beat Trump? Trump still has a, what, 49% approval rating? I don’t see Kamala connecting with people the way Trump does, and she seems an insufficiently magic negro to do what Obama did. The elite need a candidate; not white, to appeal to the base, and not insanely radical, to not scare the white women and soyim. I see no one in the bullpen.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  20. only people who work for NYU development use italicized french.

    it makes you look dumb, jewish, and prole steve.

    now i understand why gallagher fired you.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @ic1000
  21. Rufus says:
    @DFH

    He’s banged alota eastern Europeans ya, but he draws the line at Romanians and moldovans.

  22. Rufus says:
    @Skyler_the_Weird

    Interns don’t work well with indians… vibrancy bro

  23. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Neuday

    Demographics makes those concerns moot. If not mutant.

  24. istevefan says:
    @Redneck farmer

    I wonder how crazy it gets if we have Trumpslide 2020?

    Here are some items to consider. First, as if it has not been enough to have had no letup from the 2016 campaign, get ready for 2020 now. In fact one year from today and we will bee a little over a month away from the Iowa Caucus. In August of next year, you will have the Iowa straw poll. So anyone running for president needs to have their hat in the ring by at least June. Recall Trump walked down the steps in June of 2015.

    So if Trump is going to run for reelection he has to commit by then or leave the GOP high and dry. I only say this because I don’t believe Trump will run if he thinks he will lose. His ego is too big for that. In other words he has 6 months to decide if he thinks he can win. And if he doesn’t build the wall, or at least shut down the government trying, I don’t see how he keeps his core base.

    Third, the democrats have taken election fraud to a whole new level. What are the chances of Trump eking out a victory in a close vote? As Sailer pointed out, an election that can’t be called on election night is the definition of a close 50-50 call, like an extra inning baseball game. You’d expect about a 50-50 outcome in who wins these razor close elections. Yet the dems seem to be batting 1000 in such elections. That goes against common sense.

    Fourth, though I am glad the judge ruled against obamacare, the GOP did nothing in its place. Translation, Trump might not get the whites he needs to win. There are still a lot of whites who place a lot on this issue and they will vote democrat.

    I suppose Trump could still lure the democrats to overplay their hand with these witch hunts. But if he has the goods on them with those redacted documents and other #slowwalker stuff that people have been saying, he needs to lower the boom soon, or it might be too late.

  25. Corvinus says:

    “A ridiculous number of books published recently have been about Trump. Similarly, just about every article published on any topic lately seems to include a reference to the sheer agony of living in a world where Trump is President.”

    And yet, one of the Internet’s best NOTICERS has yet to offer his insight regarding this administration and one Mr. Robert Mueller.

    Keep being cagey, Mr. Sailer.

  26. Corvinus says:
    @istevefan

    “I suppose Trump could still lure the democrats to overplay their hand with these witch hunts. ”

    Not witch hunts, investigations. Investigations that are bearing significant fruit. I suggest you read “Proof Of Collusion”. I would bet a sawbuck that Mr. Sailer has read the book already or he will receive it as a stocking stuffer. When everything comes out, whether it be 2019, 2020, or beyond, then he will have to NOTICE, like those on the right and the left who are skeptical.

    • Replies: @Rufus
    , @Dtbb
    , @Colin Wright
  27. @Corvinus

    It is your duty to keep copying and pasting the same exact comment into every post Sailer makes because it’s definitely going to influence him to post more… about something else.

    I fully support your continued wasting of your own time with what amounts to your thinly veiled whining.

    Do you listen to that silly song on repeat 100 time a day while you chew up percocets and swallow them dry? I imagine your voice to be as whiny as that singer’s is.

    Everyone with more than three marbles rolling around in their head knows the Mueller investigation is a farce.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  28. …it all seems too late for that these days, mostly because it’s always been too late, though now, pundits agree, this moment is steeped in a radical and irrevocable lateness, a tardy totality heretofore unseen.

    I think that’s quite good. I’ve been feeling that way since 1988, at least. I’ve been certain the clown show was about to collapse for a long time now and have the canned food, batteries, stockpiled fuel, ammo, in readiness. Still, we muddle on. But the end does seem near, doesn’t it?

  29. @istevefan

    …if he has the goods on them with those redacted documents and other #slowwalker stuff that people have been saying, he needs to lower the boom soon, or it might be too late.

    It took me awhile to realize that if it is proved beyond any doubt that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and set the CIA and FBI against him, progressives will not care. They’ll say, “Good! That’s what we pay them for, isn’t it? To protect the country from fascist white supremacists like Trump.” It won’t make a bit of difference.

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @istevefan
  30. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    Robert Lipsyte (père) wrote a young adult sci-fi novel in 2012:

    Tom is not a happy middle schooler. He lost his father two years ago, he keeps getting into trouble, and his only friend is an imaginary twin brother, Eddie, who lives on an Earth that is 50 years behind his own. But it turns out that Eddie is not imaginary. There really is an Earth2, and the brothers find out that both worlds are in trouble. The alien scientists who created the planets believe them to be a failed experiment and are ready to destroy them, and Tom and Eddie must switch places to try to thwart their plan.

  31. njguy73 says:

    I so wish I was a kid today. If I can’t answer a question on a test at school, I’d just write something like, “In these troubled times, when everything we thought we know is being called into question, no answer to this question would make sense.”

    • LOL: snorlax
  32. istevefan says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    progressives will not care.

    He is not looking for progressives. He is looking at the white vote. And he is looking at the 4 percent who switched from GOP in 2016 to democrat in 2018. And he is looking to take them back and then some.

  33. Rufus says:
    @Corvinus

    An ” investigation ” ! Some middle aged and elderly guys in a room watching espn, ordering food. What’s a Twitter feed ? Is the internet on ? Who do I bill this to ?

    Get a clue you goon

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  34. Dtbb says:
    @Corvinus

    How much is a sawbuck?

    • Replies: @Graham
  35. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish power punishes a Jew for serving Trump but protects him from real punishment.

  36. @istevefan

    So if Trump is going to run for reelection he has to commit by then or leave the GOP high and dry. I only say this because I don’t believe Trump will run if he thinks he will lose. His ego is too big for that.

    Agreed, but that same gargantuan ego will require a fall guy for him to back out. He could legitimately blame the Deep State, if only he hadn’t been playing footsie with them for quite so long, and with quite so much determination.

    His only hope is that the Dems nominate someone really really kooky.
    That’s always a real possibility.

    What’s not a possibility is “Trumpslide 2020” for reasons you and others here have ably supplied. The Dems could nominate Charles Manson and it’d be a close call at best. And he’s dead.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @istevefan
  37. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Fancy Menu for Haute Victimhood

    And waiter, I’ll have a side order of ‘transcendental primitivism’.

  38. @Redneck farmer

    ‘I wonder how crazy it gets if we have Trumpslide 2020?’

    It’ll be worth four more years of that man just to hear how shrill the media can get.

  39. @Mr McKenna

    ‘…The Dems could nominate Charles Manson and it’d be a close call at best. And he’s dead.’

    Maybe…but what if they pick someone less electable?

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  40. @actual BGI volunteer

    Hi Buddy! How’s that free-range hostility thing working out for ya?

    Oh well….chacun à son goût amirite?

  41. @Corvinus

    ‘…When everything comes out, whether it be 2019, 2020, or beyond, then he will have to NOTICE, like those on the right and the left who are skeptical.’

    That’s the problem, isn’t it? Too few of us notice any more. You get shriller and shriller — but no one hears.

  42. Precious says:
    @ACommenter

    the elite will not let that happen.

    Like everyone else, they can’t always get what they want.

  43. Precious says:
    @istevefan

    So if Trump is going to run for reelection he has to commit by then or leave the GOP high and dry. I only say this because I don’t believe Trump will run if he thinks he will lose. His ego is too big for that.

    There is one thing that is more important to him than his ego, and that would be his family. Trump is going to run even if he thinks he will lose, because if he doesn’t the moment he leaves power they are going to go after him and his children. They want his whole family bankrupt and in jail. They have made this very clear.

    They leave him no choice at all.

  44. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “And yet, one of the Internet’s best NOTICERS has yet to offer his insight regarding this administration and one Mr. Robert Mueller.”

    Translation: “You’re wounding my ego by continually pointing out how many loons ascribe to the same infantile politics I do. Like most of your commenters do whenever I post, you’re embarrassing me. I have nothing insightful to say about this or anything else, so I’ll resort to using fourth grade rhetoric because that’s pretty much all I understand. Unfortunately, this isn’t r/politics or Democratic Underground, so that isn’t working for some reason. Here, I’ll just copy and paste the same couple of things over and over and try to get others to say things on my behalf because I can’t formulate a coherent thought myself. Whenever I do post something original, I get humiliated and run off because I don’t know what I’m talking about. Here’s a video from YouTube that I think will make me look cool but in reality exposes that I also lack taste in music. Well, back to claiming that I’m happily married with kids when it’s obvious to everyone that someone with my posting habits almost certainly lacks a social life. Want to know more citizen?”

    “offer his insight regarding this administration and one Mr. Robert Mueller.”

    Jimmy Dore: a years long investigation started over Russia finds a bunch of nothing; turn any large-scale investigation onto someone and his friends and you’ll obviously find something somewhere, which is what they’re doing here.

    Insight into the farce of Russia Gate: Jerry Nadler makes a fool of himself in front Google’s CEO with his Russia Gate claims.

    Summation:

    Jerry Nadler: Tell me about Russian interference. How many Google accounts did Russia hack?

    Google CEO: Well sir, we’ve uncovered two-hundred thou—[checks notes]—er, uh…two…precisely two compromised email accounts which may or may not have been improperly used by someone in Russia.

    Jerry Nadler: Tell me how much money those dastardly Russians spent on ads stealing our election.

    Google CEO: According to our records, the Russians spent a whopping four hundred mill—[checks notes]—er, uh…four thousand bucks on some ads, half of which didn’t make sense or were shown after election day.

    Jerry Nadler: You heard it ladies and gentlemen. We’ve got proof now. Somebody call Rachel Maddow. I’ve got a bridge I want to sell her in North Korea.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  45. istevefan says:
    @Mr McKenna

    His only hope is that the Dems nominate someone really really kooky.
    That’s always a real possibility.

    But we won’t know who that is until the spring of 2020. Many dems will test the waters in the summer of 2019, but we won’t know who will survive. Meanwhile Trump needs to commit to reelection by around June/July 2019. Or some other capable republicans need to be able to form a campaign by that time. If they think Trump is running, I doubt anyone serious will oppose him. So if Trump is not going to run, he needs to give the GOP a chance by letting them know sooner rather than later.

    I still think Trump can win if he doesn’t cave on the wall. We know that those who hate him will always hate him no matter what he does. He might as well shut down the government over the wall. Because if he caves on the wall and lets the government go on for phony promises of security, that will kill his base. Shutting down the government would reinvigorate those of us who support him. In fact our support would probably grow stronger if he forced a shutdown over this issue.

    It would also be nice to get some closure on the witch hunts. I hope Flynn’s case is tossed based upon the behavior of the prosecution. That would be a huge blow to the democrats. And then there is the issue of the special counsel not providing the judge with all the forms he requested. I hope the SC is held in contempt. Maybe Trump could use that as an excuse to shut it down.

    He has been on his heels since November 6th. It would be nice to see him be able to go on the offensive again. Like I said he needs to make a push between now and June to realistically determine if he should run for reelection or let someone else try.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Mr McKenna
  46. Corvinus says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “It is your duty to keep copying and pasting the same exact comment into every post Sailer makes because it’s definitely going to influence him to post more… about something else.”

    I do it because he is being hypocritical. He laments how the MSM downplays, at best, or outright ignores, at worst, stories of significant importance. The various legal inquiries into the activities of the Trump Administration have made tremendous headway and…nary a peep from our NOTICER.

    It is quite possible that Mr. Sailer realizes the situation is dire for Trump. But our intrepid host seemingly has to maintain his pose for the audience by remaining silent on the matter. Maybe when it gets resolved will he offer pithy commentary.

    “Everyone with more than three marbles rolling around in their head knows the Mueller investigation is a farce.”

    LOL. If you want be an ostrich and bury your head in the sand, so be it.

    • Replies: @Precious
  47. Corvinus says:
    @istevefan

    “It would also be nice to get some closure on the witch hunts.”

    Investigation, not witch hunts.

    “I hope Flynn’s case is tossed based upon the behavior of the prosecution. That would be a huge blow to the democrats.”

    What behaviors, sport?

    “And then there is the issue of the special counsel not providing the judge with all the forms he requested.”

    Which judge? What part of the case? You do realize there are multiple angles here. Perhaps you just enjoy covering up your eyes and ears and say “la, la, la, la, can’t see or hear anything, la, la, la, la”.

  48. Orange Man must be subject of every novel.

  49. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    Your translation was actually a summation of your repeated actions that soil this fine blog.

    “Jimmy Dore: a years long investigation started over Russia finds a bunch of nothing; turn any large-scale investigation onto someone and his friends and you’ll obviously find something somewhere, which is what they’re doing here.”

    Indeed, Mueller and company, along with other investigators from different states, have found significant evidence of a wide range of crimes. Do yourself a favor and read “Proof Of Collusion”. It will help to de-program you.

  50. @Corvinus

    That Robert Mueller’s something else, isn’t he! He’s so good at finding evidence, in fact, that I think he ought to re-open the Whitewater investigation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  51. @Pat Rockford

    Let them harm one hair on the head of a Bulgarian baby…

  52. @Anon

    I love to pore through the classical music concert reviews and such at the New Yorker, looking for the single, coded, dog-whistle Trump reference. Classical music writers at some level know that it’s ridiculous to bring up Trump, so you can feel them reisting it until the very end, when they can no longer hold it in and you get the “In these dark times …” or “In this moment …”

    That’s mild. Stereophile has gone full-bore with references to the “resurgence of fascism” and “racial divisions worldwide” in articles about music and audio equipment. Automobile had a multi-issue feature about the futility and racism of attempting to maintain your nation’s borders.

    It’s everywhere, like the air we breathe, because no one and no place should ever be safe from the Search for Racist Nazi Nazis. After all, it is the Current Year isn’t it?

  53. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL.

    You are not laughing, you are upset because we look at the Mueller investigation as a criminal witch hunt and farce.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  54. @istevefan

    If he’s going to make any dramatic gestures, it could be argued that the time is now, because starting in January the new Congress is sworn in and the House will be throwing investigations at him seven ways from Sunday. Indeed, he might as well shut down the government because they’re certainly going to bring the legislative and executive branches to a grinding halt anyway. And the media’s going to paint every bit of it–well, just read Corvy’s replies in this thread to get a feel for the MSM viewpoint.

  55. Hail says: • Website

    Sam Lipsyte’s Hark

    Description thereof composed entirely of anagrams:

    – shaky slipstream;
    – Salk sympathiser
    – shakily restamps
    – playmates’ shirks.

    Slipstream [noun] An area of reduced air pressure and forward suction immediately behind a rapidly moving vehicle

    Slipstream
    [1] The low-pressure zone immediately following a rapidly moving object, caused by turbulence.
    [2] A genre of fantastic or non-realistic fiction that crosses conventional genre boundaries.

    So is the standing (implied) accusation against Goody Lipsyte that he opportunistically nestled himself in MAGA’s slipstream? Not explicitly endorsing it, but cruising along with it. Guilty of: Not Part of the Solution.

  56. AndrewR says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The Democrats are going to have to really, really mess up for Trump to win at all. The idea of him winning in a landslide is almost inconceivable.

  57. Graham says:
    @Dtbb

    US currency works like this:

    125 mills make a bit (or ‘piece of eight’)
    eight bits make a buck
    ten bucks make a sawbuck

    There are also units of account known as ‘big bucks’ and ‘chump change’ but their value varies from state to state.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
  58. ic1000 says:
    @actual BGI volunteer

    amusing screen name

    > now i understand why gallagher fired you.

    too cryptic

  59. BenKenobi says:
    @Polynikes

    the sheer agony of living in a world where Trump is President.

    To borrow a phrase: I wish a nibba would. I wish these people were truly in agony. The dial goes to 11. It’s still at 1.

    “Now is not the time for fear.
    That comes later.”

    • LOL: AndrewR
  60. Dtbb says:
    @Graham

    I knew that. I was just trying to find out if blowhard Corvinus did. It is called a sawbuck because the old bills had roman numeral X on them which led to the nickname.

  61. Forbes says:

    The dystopian imagination, looking for intimations of disaster that might be exaggerated for cautionary or corrective ends, finds itself beggared by reality media narrative outrage on a daily basis.

    Fixed.

  62. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    “You are not laughing, you are upset because we look at the Mueller investigation as a criminal witch hunt and farce.”

    No, I am laughing. The Mueller investigation is not a witch hunt, and it assuredly is not a farce. Perhaps you believe in the Man On The Moon?

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @J.Ross
  63. Corvinus says:
    @Rufus

    Educate yourself. Buy “Proof Of Collusion”.

  64. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    No, I am laughing.

    I don’t believe you. You already explained why you are upset…

    I do it because he is being hypocritical. He laments how the MSM downplays, at best, or outright ignores, at worst, stories of significant importance. The various legal inquiries into the activities of the Trump Administration have made tremendous headway

    People who are thinking rationally don’t come onto other people’s blogs and lecture them on what they should be blogging about…only people getting emotional do that.

    The Mueller investigation is not a witch hunt

    I don’t care about your opinion.

    and it assuredly is not a farce

    You have made your opinion abundantly clear, and I still don’t care.

  65. Corvinus says:

    “I don’t believe you. You already explained why you are upset…”

    No, I explained why some posters here essentially have blinders on, like yourself.

    “People who are thinking rationally don’t come onto other people’s blogs and lecture them on what they should be blogging about…only people getting emotional do that.”

    In the manner that you are right now doing?

    “I don’t care about your opinion.”

    Clearly, you do, or you would not be responding emotionally.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @Precious
  66. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    No, I explained why some posters here essentially have blinders on, like yourself.

    Now you are trying to weasel your way out by stating only half the truth. You said the following…

    I do it because he is being hypocritical.

    “He” is Steve, who is not “some poster”. This is his blog.

    In the manner that you are right now doing?

    # of times I have come onto Steve’s blog and lectured him on what to blog about = 0

    Clearly, you do

    No, I don’t care about your opinions. I only cared that you were being dishonest about laughing, and now you are so desperate you are doubling down by stating half truths and framing accusations with a question mark so you can leave yourself weasel room if I call you on it.

    or you would not be responding emotionally.

    And now you are projecting. No one is fooled by your posturing.

  67. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, I don’t think The Atlantic Monthly can be considered influential any more. Within the business there is a lot of focus on it because Journolist salivates over Mrs. Jobs’s sweet cash. But does it have either a boundary-pushing or boundary-enforcing reputation today? The latter is a crowded field with Vox, NY Times, Wash Post, and the academic journals duking it out for censorious clickbait supremacy. Yet the Atlantic is pretty lackluster in terms of highbrow leftish prestige which the NYRB owned in the 60s and the once terminally-bourgeois New Yorker has, somehow, acquired today. You don’t think of smart liberals reading it for enjoyment.

    I am not putting down the (print) Atlantic’s quality. That article about the German “refugee detectors” was a perfect use of the traditional dozen-page magazine piece format.

  68. J.Ross says: • Website

    But satire is especially hard to pull off right now, its objects at once too obvious and too obtuse for effective puncturing.

    Our propaganda goals are not wearing people out through brainless unending repetition, nor through obsessing over one target while having nothing to say about more important targets. We are not failing to meet the thirty per cent quotas. The thirty per cent quotas were malreported. Our propaganda goals are reaching the fifteen per cent quotas. Every new day is a day that Trump might misspell a new word on Twitter. This is more important than the People’s Republic of China joining at the skull with unaccountable tech behemoths.

  69. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    What is your explanation for Robert Mueller wiping Peter Strzok’s phone before handing it over?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  70. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    “What is your explanation for Robert Mueller wiping Peter Strzok’s phone before handing it over?”

    Now, it’s not my explanation, it’s the Justice Department’s explanation.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/justice-department-ig-blames-fbi-wide-software-failure-for-missing-strzok-page-messages-says-phones-were-wiped

    “The FBI’s collection tool was not only failing to collect any data on certain phones during particular periods of time, it also does not appear that it was collecting all text messages even when it was generally functioning to collect text messages,” the office said in its report on the investigation, adding it would later submit a recommendation on how to reform practices surrounding the preservation of employee communications. In addition it is routine practice for senior DOJ leaders to reset iPhones before they are reassigned to new users, and after a forensic review, the IG could not find “any data related to Page’s use of the device”.

    Of course, the right wants the general public to believe it was Mueller’s team, but that is speculation.

    So how do you respond to the detailed and sourced narrative compliments of “Proof Of Collusion”?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  71. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Robert Mueller wiped the phone before handing it to the IG. This is a lot of “I didn’t quite hear you” nonsense. This was not a hand-off of an assigned government asset between senior DOJ officials, where wiping would be totally appropriate. It’s of a pattern with Strzok destroying the original 302s. This is a lot of legalistic science-blinding but it makes no internal sense and it won’t work on people remotely familiar with this.
    >but collusion
    Unproven, but granting it for purposes of argument it’s not illegal and it’s not clear why it would be a problem.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  72. Precious says:

    If the Russians did collude with Trump, Americans owe Putin a big favor.

  73. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    “Robert Mueller wiped the phone before handing it to the IG.”

    I don’t expect you to not believe what you think is absolutely true.

    “This is a lot of “I didn’t quite hear you” nonsense.”

    No, it is “Here is our findings, and you don’t agree with that IG report.”

    “his was not a hand-off of an assigned government asset between senior DOJ officials, where wiping would be totally appropriate.”

    Not according to the report.

    “It’s of a pattern with Strzok destroying the original 302s.”

    OK, what evidence do you have that he engaged in this pattern? Internal documents? Eyewitness accounts?

    “Unproven, but granting it for purposes of argument it’s not illegal and it’s not clear why it would be a problem.”

    That is a common trope by the right AND the left. And of course it is more than just “collusion”.

    In 2017 people made this and conservatives laughed because we were at stage 2 now we are box 6.

    Again, how do you respond to the detailed and sourced narrative, compliments of “Proof Of Collusion”?

    • Replies: @Precious
  74. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    No, I explained why some posters here essentially have blinders on, like yourself.

    ^Half-truth

    In the manner that you are right now doing? Clearly, you do, or you would not be responding emotionally.

    ^Projection

  75. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    Again, how do you respond to the detailed and sourced narrative, compliments of “Proof Of Collusion”?

    You are better off writing a good review on Amazon to help sell his books rather than shilling for it here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  76. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    “Half-truth”

    No, J. Ross and yourself indeed have blinders on when it comes to this particular case.

    “Projection”

    No, just pointing out what is observably true.

    “You are better off writing a good review on Amazon to help sell his books rather than shilling for it here.”

    Son, being ignorant ain’t no way to live.

    Since you came to J. Ross’ defense, why don’t you take a crack at it. He/she said “It’s of a pattern with Strzok destroying the original 302s.” So what evidence is there that shows or suggests he engaged in this pattern? Internal documents? Eyewitness accounts?

    • Replies: @Precious
  77. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    No, J. Ross and yourself indeed have blinders on when it comes to this particular case.

    ^Half-truth

    No, just pointing out what is observably true.

    ^Still projecting

    Son, being ignorant ain’t no way to live.

    ^Non-sequitur

    Since you came to J. Ross’ defense, why don’t you take a crack at it.

    Let me know if you write that review. At least that would be honest.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Corvinus
  78. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Precious

    I shouldn’t have replied to him. Fact: I actually used to wipe things for the government a long time ago. There’s rules. Take my word. Or don’t and just think about it for ten seconds. If the law applied to Robert Mueller, he would be liable for the way he handled this. He’s not liable for reasons that have nothing to do with his actions.
    I did enjoy the line, what proof exists that there is a pattern in two instances of wiping evidence? I imagine a peasant like myself trying to use that line before a judge. Pretty sure the result would not be what we saw here.
    But I guess it is useful for the future to know that Corvinus regards factually inaccurate and contradictory government statements as gospel.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  79. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    LOL Keep burying your head in the sand, Precious. Apparently you think it’s a good look for yourself.

    • Replies: @Precious
  80. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    “I shouldn’t have replied to him. Fact: I actually used to wipe things for the government a long time ago. There’s rules. Take my word.”

    Unless you have documentary evidence, your claim is suspect.

    “If the law applied to Robert Mueller, he would be liable for the way he handled this.”

    Red herring. Focus on your initial claim–“It’s of a pattern with Strzok destroying the original 302s.”

    What evidence is there that shows or suggests he engaged in this pattern? Internal documents? Eyewitness accounts?

    If you indeed “wiped things for the government”, then you should have enough contacts to gather the requisite evidence and prove that claim. Otherwise, all you are doing here is speculating.

    “But I guess it is useful for the future to know that Corvinus regards factually inaccurate and contradictory government statements as gospel.”

    Strawman and projection. Wow, a double dose of rhetological fallacies on your part. Again, prove your claim or retract.

    Furthermore, how do you respond to the detailed and sourced narrative, compliments of “Proof Of Collusion”?

  81. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL

    ^Still upset.

    I will wrap this up with one final offer and one final question Corvinus.

    Offer – Send me a link to your review on Amazon of Proof of Collusion. If you do so, I will be happy to read it and as long as your review is positive and at least three paragraphs long, I will buy the book and you can let Seth know you made a sale.

    Question – Why do you feel you need to have the last word?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  82. Corvinus says:
    @Precious

    Tsk, tsk, tsk, you are still in denial.

    Anyways, buy the book yourself, or borrow it from a friend. Critically read it. Come up with your own analysis based on the evidence and sources provided. That is what educated people do who desire to know more about a topic.

  83. Corvinus says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “That Robert Mueller’s something else, isn’t he! He’s so good at finding evidence, in fact, that I think he ought to re-open the Whitewater investigation.”

    OK, so what evidence are you disputing? Be specific. Show your work. Otherwise, you are simply a digital Barnum and Bailey circus act who blows through a town.

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