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From Rolling Stone:

Meet the Woman Bringing Social Justice to Astrology

Chani Nicholas is transforming horoscopes from quips about finding true love and stumbling into financial good fortune to pointed calls to action

By ARIANA IGNERI

Chani Nicholas doesn’t care for the hulking Alex Katz painting, depicting a trio of suited white men, hanging behind the front desk of the Langham hotel in New York. It reminds her of the patriarchy, she tells me one rainy, starless night in February, as we take the elevator up to her hotel suite and sit on the couch. We’re wrapping up a conversation about privilege, gender equality and the zodiac when Nicholas, who’s become popular on Instagram as a kind of social-justice astrologer, notices a different art piece hovering behind her. This one, she likes. The painting, titled “Mona,” portrays a woman who shares a striking resemblance to Nicholas – dark hair with tight curls, sharp brown eyes, a strong jawline. She compares it to the painting in the lobby. “The hotel staff must’ve known not to put me in a room with a bunch of weird guys on the wall,” she says. “I’m basically an angry feminist who just happens to be into astrology and healing.”

Nicholas, 42, is transforming horoscopes from generalizations about finding true love and stumbling into financial good fortune to pointed calls to action with a left-leaning, social-justice agenda.

I recall astrology becoming fashionable again at the end of the 1960s. It was part of the huge explosion of mass-market anti-rational silliness — spoon-bending with your mind, talking to plants, ancient astronauts, peyote shamans, pyramid power, etc etc — that ensued from the drugs and radicalism of 1968 and largely died out in the early 1980s.

It was a stupid era, but kind of fun. The new Ctrl-Left astrology, however, promises to be dumb, dictatorial, and depressing.

 
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  1. Tiny Duck says:

    Well it’s works g

    Look st the midterms and how the right got blown out

    • Troll: IHTG, Mr. Rational
  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    I while back I posted this:

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qvq87p/why-straight-men-hate-astrology-so-much

    If you read through, it gets sort of iStevish, in the sense that, given an arbitrary wait out of some dilatory sense of etiquette, we learn that astrology is really all about decolonization. You see, straight white men don’t reject astrology because of, like, science, and stuff. Gays and women embrace astrology because the patriarchy has persecuted them so and astrology protects them from that. Whereas privileged straight white men are not persecuted and therefore have no use for protection, or astrology.
    To understand your and others’ personalities, to try to predict the future: ultimately, it’s grasping for control, when we have none. Women and queer people are drawn to astrology because it offers community and refuge, something to lean on during a time in which religion has taken a backseat. In a heterosexual patriarchy, cis-het men arguably have less to seek refuge from. It is during times of significant stress that people turn to astrology, after all.
    It also has a certain amount of self-parody:
    In 2016, mental health was prime meme fodder; now, astrology memes are all over our timelines.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  3. WesternIdentity on twitter got blocked by this woman in short order pointing out how she has no clue what she s talking about when astrology is clearly identified with male and female energies.

  4. Incredibly, if you put a razor under a pyramid and hover a dowsing rod over it, it will remain sharp enough to shave a hairy feminists legs.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  5. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    spoon-bending with your mind

    Michael Crichton, otherwise a rational guy, fell for this, and was convinced that he could do it. The guy who taught it to him later became some sort of cult leader.

  6. Anonymous[320] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qvq87p/why-straight-men-hate-astrology-so-much

    Why Straight Men Hate Astrology So Much

    … To understand your and others’ personalities, to try to predict the future: ultimately, it’s grasping for control, when we have none. Women and queer people are drawn to astrology because it offers community and refuge, something to lean on during a time in which religion has taken a backseat. In a heterosexual patriarchy, cis-het men arguably have less to seek refuge from.

  7. Dtbb says:

    Anytime someone asks what my sign is I answer I am a cancer on the butt of society.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  8. ZeroDay says:

    Put a fork in it, boys. If Rolling Stone had only been sued out of existence, Jann Wenner could have gone out on a…uh…sword.

    Instead Rolling Stone faces a long, degrading road to the by-the-hour motel rooms of the journalism business. Now, it’s Refinery29 links and Instagram widgets. Next thing you know, Sabrina Erdely will be doing WikiHow articles on fact checking.

    At this point, Rolling Stone is dancing for quarters at the Gold Club by the airport, hoping they can find one last hit of magic in rural hair dressers, black women, or manufactured outrage.

    • LOL: AndrewR, Mr. Rational
  9. a reader says:

    In the ’80s France was blessed with astrologer Élizabeth Teissier who catered to then President Mitterrand.

    She has been involved in several controversies, including the award of a Doctorate in Sociology for her thesis which argued that astrology was being oppressed by science.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  10. Anti-rational practices hardly died out in the early 80′s. What I call the newage (rhymes with sewage) only grew more popular, successful and mainstream from the 80′s onward

  11. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Steve,

    Do you think your twitter bit about the Slate Editor turning it into a chick magazine (astrology, etc) precipitated her departure a matter of weeks later?

    Or was it just a remarkable coincidence?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  12. Surely you had nothing against the pet rock? I was too young to buy one for myself so I found one…

  13. As I mentioned previously in another comment, young women in fashionable districts of New York and Los Angeles are really into crystals these days. I highly recommend getting into a discussion on the subject. You have to charge them at the beach or use a special charging stones and different types of crystals will lead to different types of energies. There are whole businesses in fashionable districts of town dedicated to the subject.

    My theory is that the Sixties rationality breakdown stemmed from the disjunctions that arose from the JFK assassination, the other Sixties assassinations and the Vietnam War. Our current flights of fancy are likely caused by 9/11, the Iraq War debacle and the Internet’s do-it-youself occultism.

    I have a high tolerance for the weird and think most of it is harmless so long as you view it as entertainment or at least with a healthy dose of skepticism, like a science fiction movie. The problem is that it really has devolved into a popular cult of witchcraft which is likely unhealthy. The current propaganda and irrational narratives that are prevalent on the Left are likely increasingly pushing people in this direction.

    My great concern is when does this current mania give rise to a 21st Century Symbionese Liberation Army? I have been watching documentaries on the Symbionese Liberation Army and there are eerie parallels to our current politics. In fact, the Symbionese Liberation Army seems almost tame compared to some factions of Antifa or many college student groups. After she was “brainwashed” by the Symbionese Liberation Army, Patty Hearst talked about how her radicalism was penance for her privilege in ways that would not be out of place in a New York Times Op-Ed.

    It is also eerie to consider how much of the California Democratic Party elite were allies of Jim Jones and The Peoples Temple. The Peoples Temple was sort of an anti-racist Communist struggle session with a vaguely Christian veneer. The socialism and anti-racism focus of the Peoples Temple is increasingly the norm in American Christianity. Such heavy weights as Diane Feinstein, Jerry Brown, Willie Brown (Kamala Harris rose under his tutelage) and gay icon Harvey Milk were all political allies of The Peoples Temple. It’s almost as if we are experiencing an echo of the Age of Aquarius except now it is a national mania infecting the Establishment as opposed to one manifested among the lost souls in the Streets of San Francisco.

    • Agree: TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    , @Reg Cæsar
  14. Polynikes says:

    I feel a Graham Hancock book in the making.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  15. @anon

    Upon her departure, William Saletan saluted her as “Slate’s first gentile editor.”

  16. If Miss Nicholas has been living in a NYC hotel suite for long, than she must be a big player in this 100′s of thousands of dollars a year industry. Don’t knock this stuff – we’re still eating today with bent silverware from the estate of the mother-in-law … but we got the better end of it, rather than being on the hook for perpetual care of her pet rocks.

    “I’m basically an angry feminist who just happens to be into astrology and healing.”

    As much as most of us have had it with the SJWs and feminists, she’d better concentrate on the healing over the astrology. Is it time for a 7th planet joke yet?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  17. @a reader

    In the 80s Nancy Reagan had an astrologer to tell her what to advise Ronnie, almost exactly like a situation invented by Heinlein for his 1961 novel Stranger in a Strange Land, in which the protagonists get the First Lady’s astrologer to tell her to have the President of the World do something or other.

  18. @Ripple Earthdevil

    OK, Ripple, you can come up with your funny terms all you want (hahaa, rhymes with sewage … never heard this one), but don’t you dare say anything about ENYA!

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  19. @miss marple

    I cried myself to sleep for weeks after we lost out favorite pet rock. Mama thinks Dad skipped it across the crick.

    • Replies: @dr kill
  20. @Anon

    Crichton did his spoon-bending most in SoCal aerospace circles, which makes it even more interesting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    Are they charlatans attracted to charlatanry or loons attracted to lunacy? Probably some mixture of the two.

  22. @Tiny Duck

    I can tell clearly from the tone of your comments, Mr. Duck, that you are a water sign. The long lines in the webbing of your left foot foretell great comments to come, many to be blown out Uranus.

  23. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Jack Houck was a Boeing engineer in southern California who originated the spoon bending parties.

    http://www.jackhouck.com/index.shtml

    • Replies: @Olorin
  24. @Achmed E. Newman

    Is it time for a 7th planet joke yet?

    Wait, did I miss the first six planet jokes?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    “Love: A tall handsome dark transitioning being will meet you in the gender-neutral toilets for a hot party of something that you will choose to not declare as rape. Fortune: Pink pussies will unexpectedly drop loot on your doorstep. You will have a front-page interview in a renowned jewish newspaper.”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  26. El Dato says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Like that black femal Seer on the Galactica advising President Roslin about the Prophecy.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    , @Lurker
  27. @Anon

    Crichton was also confused about whether or not it was a bad thing when his friend hired child prostitutes. I think he rejected the practice by the 80s but during the 70s it was all good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rapparee
  28. OT:

    Psychology’s Replication Crisis Is Running Out of Excuses

    Another big project has found that only half of studies can be repeated. And this time, the usual explanations fall flat.

    Over the past few years, an international team of almost 200 psychologists has been trying to repeat a set of previously published experiments from its field, to see if it can get the same results. Despite its best efforts, the project, called Many Labs 2, has only succeeded in 14 out of 28 cases. Six years ago, that might have been shocking. Now it comes as expected (if still somewhat disturbing) news.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/psychologys-replication-crisis-real/576223/

  29. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:

    Didn’t Harvey Sid Fisher prove that astrology is the ultimate space for cis-het-male privilege?

  30. And somewhere, James Randi is still not quite dead.

  31. @El Dato

    Or Commander Deanna Troi in Star Trek Next Generation, whose ‘telepathic’ trick was to ‘sense angry energy’ when someone was openly angry.

  32. @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, why do these people hate great female artists? Is it the Whiskey?

  33. Frank G says:

    How about just “women are crazy” so in any period of relative female empowerment leads to stupid crap like astrology.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  34. In the past, us straight guys believed in astrology. It peaked about the time of the Witch Trials, iirc.

  35. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t it ass-trology concerned with the fav planet of homos, Uranus?

  36. @Anonymous

    It’s not because I’m straight that I despise astrology, it’s just that we Librans are very sceptical!

    OT, I see Jack Dorsey has stepped into the minefield that is Hindu politics. I’m not sure that in Modi’s India a “Smash the Brahminist Patriarchy” sign is the way to make friends in high places, but what do I know?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/20/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-criticised-for-upsetting-hindu-nationals-india-visit

    “Twitter’s chief executive, Jack Dorsey, has upset Hindu nationalists in India by posing for a picture with a placard reading: “Smash Brahminical patriarchy”.

    A leading policy officer for the company apologised to users, and told them neither Twitter nor Dorsey endorsed the sign’s message that the oppression of the Hindu caste system must be dismantled alongside male dominance.

    That, in turn, has angered Indian activists who oppose patriarchy and the caste system.

    Dorsey has been touring India, one of Twitter’s fastest growing markets, meeting figures including the prime minister, Narendra Modi, and the Bollywood actor Shah Rukh Khan.”

  37. Astrology is for wannabe astronomers who can’t hack the math.

    And a line so predictable Vegas refused to take any betting action on it:

    “which was started by her wife Sonya Passi

    Also highly predictable, terrible editing by RS:

    “think that my interest in star signs is ludacris and laughable”

    • Replies: @Rapparee
  38. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @miss marple

    Kids gotta eat too

  39. The black kids I grew up with used to wear t-shirts with their zodiac signs in a graffiti motif.

    Rappers always reference it too.

    Kanye West said it was possible a relationship ended because “she was into Leos and I was into trios.”

    I hear Ted Cruz’s father was into it too.

  40. Neil de Grasse Tyson might want to check his six, because they’ll be coming for his stars next.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  41. TTSSYF says:

    It’s religion, pure and simple. A large number (majority?) of people find comfort in believing in something greater than our mere mortal existence, whether it’s organized religion or some new fad as we’re seeing with witches, astrology, etc. There’s the additional comfort and confidence that comes with connecting with like-minded people. I think it’s ridiculous and childish and a symptom of how our society has had it so good for so long that we can indulge in such nonsense. Maybe it’s a symptom of growing older, but I can’t help thinking it’s going to come crashing down before too long, mostly because of our national debt and unfunded liabilities. Let’s see how many people try to earn enough money to feed themselves by selling crystals and horoscopes versus scraps of paper or vegetables if/when that happens.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  42. @Frank G

    “How about just “women are crazy””

    Reading Clifford Brown’s long comment, I was remembering the same madness in the UK, the Angry Brigade bombings, debutantes joining the IRA etc. Struck me that a lot of the madness intensified with city living. Dippy young “alternative” girls in the country or by the sea produced babies, art and beautiful, childish music.

    Idly searching, this quote from Sara Jane Moore, Manson groupie and failed Presidential assassin does seem to reinforce your thesis. At least you can say it’s not at all a male way of thinking.

    At her sentencing hearing Moore stated: “Am I sorry I tried? Yes and no. Yes, because it accomplished little except to throw away the rest of my life. And, no, I’m not sorry I tried, because at the time it seemed a correct expression of my anger.

  43. teotoon says:

    Does this mean crystal balls are out and crystal vaginas are in?

    • Replies: @anon
  44. Sunbeam says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Dude, citing Marina Abramovic and Spirit Cooking…

    Though you didn’t mention Spirit Cooking, you just used one of the images from the wikileaks pizzagate dump.

    Anyway, in the end, you guys (most of the posters and readers on this site) are the guys seated in the cave:

    You think you have it figured out, but you don’t. The world doesn’t work the way you think it does.

    Newsflash: What Abramovic and the rest practice isn’t some new thing that became popular because Western Civilization has become decadent and deluded in its dotage.

    They’ve always been doing this. What’s more they have never hidden anything really.

    After all they’ve always been able to count on the people in the cave to just suck their thumbs and gaze at the images on the wall.

    Whether those images were the current organizations depicted on the wall, or in past days common knowledge and the broadsheets.

  45. theMann says:

    I have lived long enough to realize the fundamental characteristics of the female:

    Rule 1 – they will believe anything, as long as it is a lie. Sometimes the lie is relatively benign, of the “do I look fat in this dress” variety. Usually it is viciously wrong – the McMartins were guilty, OJ was innocent. And often, the lie is truly evil, which is what the belief in astrology is – not silly, nor harmless, but very, very wrong.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    , @Kratoklastes
  46. @Polynikes

    Quick! To the bathroom, and you’d better hope it’s not engaged!

  47. George says:

    The multi culti Aquarius is Wassermann performed by Donna Gaines, soon to be Donna Somer, and finally Donna Summer from her performance in the musical Haare, back when a bit of multi culture added spice to German society. My favorite version of Aquarius.

    Wassermann:

    If you want to sing along.

    https://www.golyr.de/hair-musical/songtext-aquarius-119161.html

    So far I see no evidence of a revival of Astrology.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  48. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    I love the continual mocking of astrology. They mock because it works, those who mock it have zero knowledge of it. The Kabbalah is a mix of astrology, numerology and sorcery. It’s worked pretty well for the Jews since they own just about everything now. They don’t want you to use it though, which is why they ridicule it.
    I have been a student for over 50 yrs, I didn’t keep studying something that doesn’t work. I predicted this time 30 yrs ago we are living in right now and I know how it ends. Most astrologers are leftists and predict things like “Hillary in a landslide.” I predicted Trump for 2016 in 2011. Brexit leave and much more. I am in a class by myself here because I am highly skilled and extremely intuitive.

    “Millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do.”
    JP Morgan

    Oh and Sir Isaac Newton was a student of astrology too.

  49. I was flabbergasted to read this exchange on a wall of a Facebook friend recently:

    Wow — is anyone else already flattened by this impending Mercury Retrograde?

    YES!

    Explains a lot.

    Oh is THAT what’s going on?!

    Yes!!!

    Is THAT what’s happening?????!!!!! I’m exhausted.

    It’s been smashing me to pieces for the last two weeks.

    I am battered and beaten! This one really sucks

    This has been the worst week ever

    yep super intense energy with clients today and around some family issues too

  50. EH says:

    Reminds me of the climactic scene in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea’s Illuminatus! at Woodstock Europa; the four sinister German siblings comprising the hit group “The American Medical Association” singing, to the tune of “Age of Aquarius” :
    “This is the dawning of the Age of Bavaria – Ba-var-i-a – Ba-var-i-aaa!”

  51. black sea says:
    @Anon

    I predicted this time 30 yrs ago we are living in right now and I know how it ends.

    Well, don’t keep us in suspense, how does it end?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  52. @miss marple

    It depends. What was the rock’s sign?

  53. If we’re going to have astrology, I prefer Janine Pettibone. She knows what she’s talking about!

    “The band’s sign is Virgo, and we see it’s Saturn in the third house, all right, and it is a bit rocky. But, because Virgo is one of the most highly intelligent signs of the Zodiac, we’re gonna pull through this, with great bond.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  54. @Steve Sailer

    In the 80s Nancy Reagan had an astrologer to tell her what to advise Ronnie, almost exactly like a situation invented by Heinlein for his 1961 novel Stranger in a Strange Land, in which the protagonists get the First Lady’s astrologer to tell her to have the President of the World do something or other.

    Nancy Reagan was an astrology buff, so what?

    Derbyshire has made himself into a Civil War buff. It doesn’t make him a bad person!

    Nancy Reagan was right as rain about those evil rats in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate and Nancy Reagan was right on the money when she said this about someone offering you drugs: JUST SAY NO.

    If I recall properly, Nancy Reagan made it a point never to break bread in the White House with the evil scoundrels in the Bush mob. Nancy Reagan understood how vile and disgusting George Bush #1 was. It turned out George #2 was viler still.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  55. Rapparee says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Astrology is for wannabe astronomers who can’t hack the math.

    Astronomy was itself an accidental child of astrology. Seventeenth-century Europeans put their effort into charting the movement of the planets not out of idle scientific curiosity, but expressly for the purpose of casting more accurate horoscopes. Of course, astronomy eventually proved itself useful, whilst astrology thus far hasn’t, at least as far as anyone can tell. Medicine was once a similar bogus pseudoscience that happily managed to transform into something practical. Perhaps one day we’ll get lucky again, and some species of fashionable nonsense will accidentally give rise to a genuinely new and beneficial field of science- but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @martin2
  56. @Steve Sailer

    Upon her departure, William Saletan saluted her as “Slate’s first gentile editor.”

    Sailer goes Shakespeare:

    Richard II | Act 2, Scene 2. Previous scene … Like perspectives, which rightly gazed upon. Show nothing but … Looking awry upon your lord’s departure, … More than your lord’s departure weep not: more’s not seen;

    http://shakespeare.mit.edu/richardii/richardii.2.2.html

  57. @Anon

    Don’t leave us hanging like that. Do we buy Apple stock here at $180 or sell?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  58. anon[631] • Disclaimer says:
    @teotoon

    No, crystal ovaries.

    • Agree: Bubba
  59. Rapparee says:
    @miss marple

    There was a brief period in the ’70s when cutting-edge progressives openly debated whether paedophilia should be normalized, in line with the abandonment of other “repressive hang-ups” like those against homosexuality, promiscuity, and wife-swapping. As Mr. Sailer wrote, it was a weird and stupid era.

  60. @Ripple Earthdevil

    “Newage” – rhymes with sewage

    I’m totally stealing that.

  61. Thea says:

    The more time they spend on this garbage the less time they have to spend besmirching the reputation of UVA fraternity members, Supreme Court nominees, and ordinary Americans.

    We should encourage this.

  62. Ibound1 says:

    The Nazis were into astrology for a while. But that faded once they started losing badly. Hitler never predicted committing suicide while Russian tanks flattened his capital. Maybe astrology is a result of low interest rates and a good economy. Frees the mind up to think about utter nonsense. Once rates start going up again, as they did in the 70s, and the Democrats raise the corporate and marginal tax rates, and open the borders even wider, put back all the regulations Trump has removed, and put us back to 1% growth (if that) peoples’ minds just might start concentrating on other things a bit closer to home.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  63. Tiny Duck says:

    YOu guys are finished

    white women are getting woke

    Once your women are leaving you ITS OVER

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  64. @TTSSYF

    The next recession will be a Social Justice Recession. The debt collectors will be after those who studied useless subjects like Gender Studies, who are now unable to earn enough to pay. Rainbow haired twentysomethings will be desperately looking at the stars and the bottom of their $5 coffee cups for clues about their future. A similar thing happened in the early 70s, when the refugees of 60s ideologies got lost in aimless spirituality.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  65. I’m basically an angry feminist…

    Is there another kind?!

    • Replies: @dr kill
  66. MNL says:

    Chani Nicholas doesn’t care for the hulking Alex Katz painting, depicting a trio of suited white men… It reminds her of the patriarchy, she tells me one rainy, starless night in February, as we take the elevator up to her hotel suite and sit on the couch.

    Interesting. Why doesn’t the white trio of Elisha Otis and his two sons–inventors of the modern elevator–remind her of the patriarchy and encourage her to take the stairs?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    , @Jack D
  67. eah says:

    OT

    Not nearly enough has changed under Trump — the US continues to push a ‘globohomo’ agenda.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Barnard
  68. @Anon

    They mock because it works, those who mock it have zero knowledge of it.

    Try, at least, for consistency in the same sentence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  69. I worked with a guy who did instant horoscopes on Post-It notes. I doubt he really believed it, and was more likely doing it to impress the girls. He was brought up evangelical and had left that.

    Still, he acted stunned at mine. I gave him my birth hour, and it seemed all wrong. But one hour off, and it would have been perfect. Hmmm… I was born one time zone to the east.

    The same man told me his ancestry was English and Irish. I countered that meant he must hate himself. It took him a bit to get it, but he replied, “Yes. I oppress myself, then I rebel.”

  70. @black sea

    Consult Ulf Buck. He will happily do your “ass-trological” chart.

  71. Alfa158 says:

    “Peyote shamans”. Wow, that’s a blast from the past. I recall how amusing it was following the story of Carlos Castaneda and his mentor the fictional Yaqui sorcerer Don Juan. For a while Castaneda had everyone, including the Anthropology department at UCLA, falling for his scam hook line and sinker. According to Wikipedia he eventually sold 28 million copies of his books and made a fortune before people started catching on ,and then he went all J.D. Salinger and dropped out of sight with his dough.
    What I would have been horrified to know 40 years ago was that, while I was having a good laugh at the blithering fools who fell for this scam, they and their students would eventually rule our culture, politics and academia. I guess it’s a a case of who’s laughing now, monkey boy.
    Still, the story would make for a terrific Coen Brothers movie.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  72. Alfa158 says:
    @Dtbb

    My standard response is “No Parking Tow Away Zone”.

  73. Sean says:

    When Uranus leaves the House of the Sun (his Tower) and enters into Pennsylvania Avenue, falsehoods or derisions will be abounding …

  74. Marty says:

    What we need is now is one of those man-on-the-street interviews that Mal Sharpe used to do (Jimmy Kimmel now?): “how much more pussy would you have gotten if you’d pretended to believe in astrology?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  75. Lurker says:
    @El Dato

    She would be the First Numinous then.

  76. Lurker says:
    @George

    There is another version set in Zimbabwe, it’s called Harare.

  77. @Alfa158

    Castañeda reemerged in Los Angeles in the 1990′s as an especially nasty, manipulative leader of a small cult. One can read about it in the late Amy Wallace’s book Sorcerer’s Apprentice: My Life with Carlos Castaneda.

  78. “We’re wrapping up a conversation about privilege, gender equality and the Zodiac … ”

    Sounds like an enjoyable evening.

    “I recall astrology becoming fashionable again at the end of the 1960s. It was part of the huge explosion of mass-market anti-rational silliness …”

    It was also the time when the New Left came along and destroyed the useful Left. The “anti-rational” occult renaissance of the late 60s/early 70s is a fascinating study, especially as it pertains to the connections between the black magic groups of that time — the Crowley-inspired O.T.O, the Process Church, which was a splinter faction of Scientology, and the murderous Son of Sam cult — and shadowy intelligence networks run by the CIA and MI6.

    “It was a stupid era, but kind of fun.”

    If there is an occult resurgence, any fun to be had with the Halloween hokum will be crushed by the Maoist descendants of the New Left who are corrupting anything good with politics. Cultural Marxism is another kind of satanic black magic.

  79. @black sea

    Well, don’t keep us in suspense, how does it end?

    What do think, Black Sea, it ends the way these things always end. After 30 years, his Dad comes down to the basement, tears up his Ouija board, picks him up by his shirt collar and says:

    GET A HAIRCUT, AND GET A REAL JOB!

    * No, it’s not that his Dad would be 80 y/o and not able to kick his son’s ass, if that’s what you’re wondering. Some of #253′s 50 years of studying the art were spent in a previous lifetime.

  80. @MNL

    Gravity is oppressive, and you’ve Isaac Newton to blame for that.

  81. @Ripple Earthdevil

    OK, to be fair and balanced, here’s a song about a newage girl to bolster your viewpoint:

    Mary Moon,
    she’s a Unitarian,
    Mary Moon, Mary Moon.

    She don’t eat meat,
    but she sure likes to the bone.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  82. @Intelligent Dasein

    Heh! OK, let’s see …. “hey, what’s the deal with Mercury, I mean, …”

    “uhhh… Venus rhymes with uhhh.. hhheeh, yeah ….”

    “DON’T QUIT YOUR NIGHT JOB!”, yells the audience to the budding-comedian Astronomer.

  83. @Redneck farmer

    Yes, Whiskey is a combination FIRE/WATER sign, born as the 2nd new moon entered the constellation Sagittarius exactly during a transit of Callisto across the face of Ur… no, no, Jupiter.

    Don’t ever let that happen to you or a loved one! Anyway, his energy, enthalpy, and entropy all lead him to HATE, HATE, HATE pure white chicks like Enya. The only cure is a half-hour in a sweat lodge next to a hot bikini-clad hippy-dippy chick named Mary Moon. It’ll sweat the HATE and whiskey right out of you, until you have VISIONS … visions of the giant Kool-Aid man:

    Just joking, Whiskey ;-} I hope you can take an on-line joke better than me.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  84. @theMann

    Women believe anything that makes them look better. Remember Steve’s first law of female journalists.

  85. @Rapparee

    What you think happened in the 60s, happened in the 70s

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @dr kill
  86. @Charles Pewitt

    I agree with you about Nancy Reagan’s astrology hobby, Charles. I imagine old Ronnie Raygun* humored the old lady on that business. It was Nancy’s “Just say No!” program that pissed me off about her. As I didn’t exactly mention in Washington FS and First Ladies, there is no Constitutional basis for a presidential spouse to run any program. She can, however, run her mouth freely, and perhaps that’s all it was.

    * and I use that term with great love and respect.

  87. @Captain Willard

    Captain, my Ouija board says “Take profits now, as there is no technical support below $200. There will be a quick ramp up, or possibly down in the TECH sector upon receipt of the next monthly FED report, as Mr. Yellen will raise or lower rates significantly. Stay out of cash, put all profits into the FOREX (that’s Foreskin Exchange) markets, and by all means, DO NOT TRADE ON DAYS WHEN THE SUN IS FULL!”

    OK, wait, I had the board upside down. Just do the opposite of what I just wrote below, and everything will be fine.

    Wait, that was not my Ouija board at all, that was my Chinese copy of the Wall Street Journal Markets section.

  88. I’m basically an angry feminist who just happens to be into astrology and healing.

    Anger and healing, hmm, they don’t really go together. If my doctor made that admission to me, I’d look for another doctor.

    Now what do we make of her name, “Chani”? Hippy? Child of hippies? Tranny?

  89. @Rapparee

    Medicine was once a similar bogus pseudoscience

    Check out Steven Goldberg’s essay on this, collected in When Wish Replaces Thought. He basically says the same as you, the difference being that neither early medicine nor astrology were “pseudoscience” in his eyes, and we have to be careful with these words.

  90. @Steve Sailer

    Upon her departure, William Saletan saluted her as “Slate’s first gentile editor.”

    Gentily Slate and a purdy face
    And a pony tail a-hangin’ down
    That wiggle in the walk
    And giggle in the talk
    Makes the world go round

    • Replies: @D. K.
  91. @Clifford Brown

    Donovan invented rap? Who’da thunk it? (Actually, he inherited it from Meredith Willson, and Flanders and Swann.)

    Mr Leitch is even spacier here:

  92. @eah

    Grenell tweeted, “Show me the Gaza City or Damascus Pride Parades…”

    Well, it goes to show everybody has their strengths, and Arabs are better than us at at least one thing.

    • LOL: Fred Boynton
  93. California housing costs are high because of the population explosion and the cheap money and low interest rates and other monetary extremist actions provided by the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    California real estate prices — residential and commercial — are going to implode like a bastard in the near future.

    Some people around here at Unz Review ain’t getting the concept that the Efficient Market Hypothesis is a bunch of crap. The Federal Reserve Bank rigging every damn thing in sight is a good chunk about why California real estate — in certain locations — has seen massive price increases.

    California will be ready for settlement by White Core American Patriots after the neutron bomb of a massive real estate price implosion hits.

  94. D. K. says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Only 75 more days until the 60th anniversary of “The Day the Music Died!” (Last Thursday, the 15th, was the 60th anniversary of the death of Tyrone Power, nearly six months shy of his 45th birthday.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  95. Barnard says:
    @eah

    According to RamzPaul, the U.S. embassy in Hungary spends a considerable portion of their time lobbying for the LGBT agenda. I would imagine it works the same way in nearly every country that isn’t deemed “tolerant” enough.

  96. My theory is that the Sixties rationality breakdown stemmed from the disjunctions that arose from the JFK assassination, the other Sixties assassinations and the Vietnam War.

    More simply, Boomers entering adulthood.

    Our current flights of fancy are likely caused by 9/11, the Iraq War debacle and the Internet’s do-it-youself occultism.

    Again more simply, Boomer’s children entering adulthood.

  97. J.Ross says: • Website

    NPR just spent five minutes on mocking Trump for thinking that Finnish rakes could help California in any way. They briefly admitted that clearing brush had something to do with fire but said nothing about this year yielding unusually high levels of brush and Jerry Brown refusing to do anything about it. Then they said that because hyper-over-inflated tech scams are tanking on Wall Street, the fundamentals that Trump strengthened must not exist.

  98. JimB says:

    The point of Google and Facebook policing free speech, the Deep State FBI putting harmless conservative groups on terrorist watch lists, and alt-Left fools ginning up SJW fads is to keep the Demographic replacement train on schedule. We had two years to implement all the legislation we needed to slow it up, but we never got it, thanks to the treachery of a few like Paul Ryan. Now, Americans should be thinking about plan B: secession and nation rebuilding.

  99. J.Ross says: • Website

    Is this a real news story? Or is this a consequence of marijuana legalization? And what is the other one for?

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/1064924541238034433

    • Replies: @jim jones
  100. @International Jew

    Jambi the genie on Peewee’s Playhouse used to grant wishes by saying these magic words:

    Mecca lecca hi mecca heinie ho
    Mecca lecca hi mecca chani ho

  101. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/youll-never-guess-how-this-silicon-valley-farm-solved-its-labor-problem/

    Our garlic friends are at in again

    https://vdare.com/posts/automation-makes-immigration-obsolete-new-york-times-notices-agricultural-mechanization

    Last spring, Christopher Ranch, a giant in garlic, began using a 30-foot-tall robot to insert garlic buds into sleeves, the nets into which they are bundled for sale in supermarkets. “It’s a real workhorse,” said Ken Christopher, executive vice president of the company, whose headquarters are in Gilroy, Calif.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  102. @Marty

    Feynman’s “Cargo Cult Science” http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

    I was sitting, for example, in a hot bath and there’s another guy and a girl in the bath. He says to the girl, “I’m learning massage and I wonder if I could practice on you?” She says OK, so she gets up on a table and he starts off on her foot—working on her big toe and pushing it around. Then he turns to what is apparently his instructor, and says, “I feel a kind of dent. Is that the pituitary?” And she says, “No, that’s not the way it feels.” I say, “You’re a hell of a long way from the pituitary, man.” And they both looked at me—I had blown my cover, you see—and she said, “It’s reflexology.” So I closed my eyes and appeared to be meditating.

  103. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    It’s been years since I have seen any California garlic on the east coast – it all seems to come from China. China produces more than 2/3 of the garlic in the world – some sources say 80%. The US doesn’t even appear in the top 10 producing countries.

    The Chinese are doing funky stuff with their garlic (par for the course) – a lot of it appears unnaturally white and it often doesn’t sprout – this is because they bleach it. I think they also fumigate it with methyl bromide. But it’s 3 heads for 89 cents in the little nylon sleeve.

  104. @Achmed E. Newman

    (hahaa, rhymes with sewage … never heard this one)

    Man, some people REALLY live in bubbles.  (And maybe I’m one of them.  There are lots of gaming terms that are new to me, as I found out today when I had no idea what “spellskite” meant.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  105. What’s not to like about the 60s? I think I have a pair of bell bottom pants hanging in my closet.

  106. @Tiny Duck

    Look st the midterms and how the right got blown out

    You called them “midterms”, which is a sign you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  107. @D. K.

    The name Tyrone was featured in both the book and the movie Freakonomics. It didn’t belong to Irishmen.

    Steve (not either author, but our host here) did a post on sibilance in men’s speech, which is different from a true lisp. I can’t really tell which Steven Levitt has. Anyone can help?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  108. martin2 says:
    @Rapparee

    Ironically,were it not for Astrology we would probably not be where we are today wrt science and technology. Astrologers were the only ones interested in the irregular motion of the planets, navigators and those that made calendars had no use for them. Copernicus was an Astrologer, and it was in dealing with the planets problem that he constructed the Sun centred Universe, and the rest is history.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. @Seth Largo

    Thanks for the French phrase of the day:

    pas suffisament fonces

    • Replies: @Jack D
  110. Jack D says:
    @MNL

    I would say that 80% of Alex Katz’s paintings of humans (which are terrible BTW – the man can’t draw worth a damn) are of women but I guess it won’t be good enough until 100% of paintings depict women. Now women have been underrepresented in a lot of things (for example jobs digging ditches) but it never struck me that depiction in art was one of them.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  111. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steven Levitt is married (to a woman) if you are asking whether he is light in the loafers. His son tragically died at age 1 of meningitis. They later adopted 2 girls from China.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  112. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Close but not quite.

    “pas suffisamment foncés”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  113. Rapparee says:

    It was part of the huge explosion of mass-market anti-rational silliness — spoon-bending with your mind, talking to plants, ancient astronauts, peyote shamans, pyramid power, etc etc — that ensued from the drugs and radicalism of 1968 and largely died out in the early 1980s.

    It’s not a coincidence that “In Search of…” originally ran from 1973-1982. My recollection is that a small but noticeable cohort of people were still really into that stuff (especially UFO hunting & cryptids) through the late ’90s, but they were generally the butt of cruel jokes. After 2001, those sorts of people mostly went in for 9/11 conspiracy theories and political crackpottery instead.

    • Replies: @Corn
  114. Ragno says:
    @Anon

    Sounds like another victim of that Hebraic huckster, Uri Geller.

    Geller was authoritatively debunked by James (The Amazing) Randi, a skeptic with a pointed dislike for big-money con-men and charlartans. Naturally, Geller departed for Western Europe and Australia, where a fresh pool of gullibles awaited him.

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street
  115. @Jack D

    Correct the source, not me.

  116. @Jack D

    Steven Levitt is married (to a woman) if you are asking whether he is light in the loafers.

    You’re reading way too much into this. I’ve known several guys with a similar lisp, and they were all normal.

  117. Luke Lea says:
    @Rapparee

    I chalk it up to LSD, a cultural solvent that was widely ingested by the upper-middle classes in those days. Are they into acid again? Hope not.

  118. tyrone says:
    @Anon

    “I love the continual mocking of astrology”…….yes ,yes ! it works …..mocking that is.

  119. dr kill says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, does that remind me of a good joke.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  120. J.Ross says: • Website

    In the living X-Files episode that is Broward County, Jan Jordan has been fired, a good long time after mishandling a school shooting.

    Jan Jordan, the Broward Sheriff’s Office captain who was criticized as “ineffective” for her handling of the police response to the Parkland school shooting, has resigned — and one of her former subordinates, Sgt. Brian Miller, has been placed on restricted duty, BSO said in a statement Tuesday.

    http://archive.is/ZTqlA

    Police called to Cruz’s home 45 times in past decade, with clear criminal and self-harming behavior.

    http://archive.is/zML3i

    [Scott Israel] cited a dramatic drop in violent crime during his tenure, and the issuing of thousands of civil citations — rather than arrests — for juveniles. Using one of his well-worn sayings, he said “lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep,” and maintained that he doesn’t spend “more than 10 seconds” listening to his opponents’ criticisms.”

    http://archive.is/30SqH

    How the PROMISE program and its Federal funding steered departments toward cooking books rather than actually reducing crime.

    http://archive.is/8cBqb

    How a similar practice in Miami-Dade let Trayvon Martin walk free after being caught with stolen jewelry and burglary tools.

    http://archive.is/ENcvf

  121. VladIII says:

    You can’t claim a “women in STEM crisis” & simultaneously promote anti-science.

  122. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous

    “Originated?”

    Houck’s involvement hardly reaches into the ’90s.

    I don’t know the *origins* of these parties, but I knew an RCA missile-guidance-systems engineer (in NJ) who used to have Uri Geller come in to mess up the flatware in the early 1970s. Geller was an Israeli.

    This engineer hosted other house parties of that sort. John Lilly would come in, the engineer’s wife and their assorted South Jersey suburbia friends from the same synagogue would drop acid and supposedly speak Dolphin, etc. They were big into astrology, biorhythms, psychic healing, Reichian whatzis, kabala, sensory deprivation tanks, seances, and such. One of their kids became a Wiccan priestess a la Starhawk. Who herself was Jewish (like many other “neopagan” writers/celebrities). Another kid was big into “creative anachronism” (a cover story for promiscuous individuals larping as lords and ladies, etc., while cruising for sex; a key party basically, but with swords real or pretend).

    The aerospace circles were always weirder than the shipbuilding circles, which heaved up individuals like Heinlein, de Camp, and others. When they dreamed of cosmic voyaging, there was always a prior need to build a good hull. The aerospace guys seemed to get more into woo. Maybe there’s an east-west coast difference though.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  123. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rapparee

    The same time period saw Louis Malle’s Pretty Baby and the whole Brooke Shields thing, as well as Taxi Driver and Hardcore, which Scorsese cultists today forget were twinned since both aimed to malign traditional values as violent vigilantism.

  124. dr kill says:
    @Anon

    Can you tell me where to place my coyote traps please.

  125. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @martin2

    Astrology begat astronomy, alchemy begat chemistry, and Modern Medicine is still as much religion as science.

  126. dr kill says:
    @Russell Upvittles

    Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg is the demented kind.

  127. dr kill says:
    @flyingtiger

    68 to 75 did kind of overlap. I feel sorry for y’all who missed it.

  128. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat

    They is (((Them))) and the assorted others who jump on the bandwagon who have no knowledge.

  129. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    What modern people think of as astrology was mostly invented by this guy

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Leo

    And this guy

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lilly

    The ancient stuff was far more complex and far different from modern astrology. Not that it was accurate in the past, but modern day astrologists couldn’t begin to understand it.

    Lesbo-Wiccan Facebook campaign to hex Donald Trump is to historical European Pagan tradition as modern astrology is to original astrology.

  130. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I love Clannad. Other than that spot on

  131. @Mr. Rational

    Don’t feel bad about not knowing that gaming term. I don’t either, and, what’s worse, I don’t want to know.

  132. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilbert Ratchet

    Sagittarius is the most intelligent sign in the zodiac. Highest of the fire signs (inspiration and intuitive) Saturn 3rd is dim and stuck in a loop of doubt and negative thoughts.
    Virgo is famous for ethnic cleansing, I am btw the only person who says this. Coco Chanel was very infatuated with the Nazi’s and their determination to clean up society. Virgo can be very impersonal about what “needs to be done” and willing to carry out the task.
    btw I have Virgo rising so I can and sometimes do feel the same way, clear the decks for the new planting. Virgo is labor, the work nobody else is willing to do.

    Sagittarius is visionary/prophetic and inspired to think big, take risks and faith that it will work out. Often unrealistic but when it works, Boom to the Moon.
    And where I have the Moon 4th apex of finger of God aspect.
    I am always 20 yrs ahead of my time.

  133. It was a stupid era, but kind of fun. The new Ctrl-Left astrology, however, promises to be dumb, dictatorial, and depressing.

    A lot of things are being rehashed from that era. Even the sociopolitical issues that get so much attention now are the same, just meaner.

    How long before someone prints a Tarot deck with Wakandan knights, lesbian queens and kings who are also queens?

  134. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    Most every corporation uses astrology for the founding. High brow American astrologer Robert Zoller is on retainer with many corporations a several intelligence agencies. He predicted 911, then was called by the FBI.
    You guy have no idea what you are talking about.
    Trumps announcement was perfectly timed for what he was doing.
    Iraq war many astrologers criticized with with void of course Moon, I said “They don’t want to win, they want civil religious war which is why they chose that chart.”

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  135. @Ragno

    It wasn’t the first time Geller had been debunked when Randi did it, just the most written about.

    Johnny Carson of all people had it out for him. Carson had been a professional magician in his pre-television days, and therefore knew “magic” is nothing more than slight of hand, not actual powers of divination. He was also a pro-science rationalist and astronomy buff (remember how many times he had Sagan on his show). So when Caraon had Geller on the Tonight Show, he wouldn’t cut him any breaks on the camera set-ups or cut-aways Geller demanded. So the spoon could never be bent, and Geller would fall back on “the vibes tonight are bad” excuse.

  136. @Redneck farmer

    “They’re all just jealous, Red. Hey, I picked some apples for us.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Polymath
  137. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    Most every corporation uses astrology for the founding and all of the Tech startups. High brow American astrologer Robert Zoller is on retainer with many corporations a several intelligence agencies. He predicted 911, then was called by the FBI.
    You guy have no idea what you are talking about.
    Trumps announcement was perfectly timed for what he was doing.
    Iraq war many astrologers criticized with with void of course Moon, I said “They don’t want to win, they want civil religious war which is why they chose that chart.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  138. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Persephone with the pomegranate.
    Because that which is buried looms large in the dark, in order to pass into the light in Sagittarius we must pass through the war in Scorpio and be abducted and dragged into the underworld to face that which is diseased, and be raped in hell.
    It’s the story of life, most people are clueless to, this and cling to happy thoughts and make very little progress and evolve very little. When we are really ready to fix things, we embrace it. We do the work and we get paid.

  139. J.Ross says: • Website

    Canada.
    We know what we have to do, but fear restrains us.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cyclist-defecates-throws-own-poop-at-woman-after-vehicle-collision-in-b-c

    Following a collision in Greater Victoria, B.C., a man pulled down his pants, defecated in public and then threw his feces at the car.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  140. @Jack D

    Alex Katz’s paintings of humans (which are terrible BTW – the man can’t draw worth a damn)

    I’ll have to disagree on that. Katz’s figures aren’t photorealistic, obviously, but he uses great aesthetic economy and has an arch, knowing eye which reveals his subjects’ character—with often intriguing results. He also doesn’t neglect the clothes his subjects wear, as markers of their personalities and social milieu—some of his paintings are warmly amusing (retro) snapshots of ‘haute-bourgeois’ urbanites in their native environment.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  141. OT: Then they came for the Vagina Monologues. But because I had no front hole, I said nothing.

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/now-the-pc-police-have-come-for-the-vagina-monologues/

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  142. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Most every corporation uses astrology for the founding and all of the Tech startups. High brow American astrologer Robert Zoller is on retainer with many corporations a several intelligence agencies. He predicted 911, then was called by the FBI.
    You guy have no idea what you are talking about.
    Trumps announcement was perfectly timed for what he was doing.
    Iraq war many astrologers criticized with with void of course Moon, I said “They don’t want to win, they want civil religious war which is why they chose that chart.”

    The crazy part is that this is probably very often right.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  143. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Ten seconds in MS Paint. Looks like a Google doodle, except I’ve seen some really good Google doodles, like the one they did for Little Nemo.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  144. Astrologers used to know mathematics. Kepler came up with his Laws, which work at describing planetary trajectories. He also thought there was a relationship between Plato’s polyhedrons and the planets of the Solar System. There isn’t. But it was about math. Do today’s astrologers do math?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  145. @Ripple Earthdevil

    I took my then-GF to a Christine Lavin concert where she performed SNAG.  A few friends came with (a girl and two guys).  When CL called for volunteers to sing along with the refrain, I demurred.

    I wish we had planned this out in advance, because it would have been a piece of cake to upstage Christine at the verse “Who really cares about your orgasm?”.  Sadly, we hadn’t anticipated this.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  146. jim jones says:
    @J.Ross

    Somebody should explain to the woman that you don`t need a separate laptop for each piece of software

  147. @Anonymous

    The truth is ancient astrology didn’t not use the outer planets, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.
    Both high brow American astrologers Robert Hand and Robert Zoller practice ancient astrology with very good results. The were tropical astrologers for many years and a decade ago shifted. I find it lacking because the world has evolved and as people have more leisure time due to technology, Im talking washing machines, they have embraced the outer planets more. Like psychology, yoga, etc.

  148. @Anonymous

    Alan Leo vs William Lilly represents two very different worlds.
    Lilly who I have studied is not better just different and representative of the time in which he lived.
    Astrology is simple, it not that complex. It is about the ability to synthesize
    Few can, the greats do.

  149. so it’s a Rolling Stone article on steve.

    what’s more scientific: astrology or behavior genetics?

  150. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    In East Asia there are a lot of top corporate accommodations of prescientific ideas, most famously Toyota changing its name to a luckier number of strokes, and of course the location and decoration of offices, but they don’t make day to day decisions based on cracked turtle shells. It’s essentially an extension of the art department. I think this is what this guy means: if we delay the big launch another day, it coincides with such and such a thing, but not decide not to go into IT by the position of Mercury.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  151. @dr kill

    Go for it. Why not just tack it on here?

  152. @Mr. Rational

    That kind of thing may have worked with a singer, but, man, don’t mess with the stand-up comics. Those comedians are ready for anything and one will find some way to embarrass you, if you come close to heckling him, up to the point where all you have left is coming up on stage to kick his ass. Even that doesn’t always end well.

    Thanks for putting the song up, Ripple. I remembered that one, as soon as I read the title.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  153. @adreadline

    Do today’s astrologers do math?

    They use charts, but the charts are based on complete bullshit, that’s the problem. Not only that, but all the calculations are bogus, as precession of the Earth’s axis has put the 12 zodiac constellations about off by one since they were named way back. They really should fix that. I’m not gonna tell ‘em though. You tell ‘em.

  154. @Steve Sailer

    And remember that Hillary Clinton had someone who helped her “channel” Eleanor Roosevelt. In a former age, “channeling” was called necromancy.

    The occultists hired by recent political figures pale by comparison with those of the sixteenth century. Catherine de Medicis employed Nostradamus to cast horoscopes; Elizabeth I hired Dr. John Dee. Rudolf II outdid them by engaging Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler. When they wanted such advice, sixteenth-century rulers went to the top of the tree.

    Catherine de Medicis also organized the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre, while Hillary and Janet Reno could barely manage Waco. Today’s wicked queens do a penny-ante job with religious dissidents, compared to their sixteenth-century counterparts.

    The women of Louis XIV’s court had the services of the dévineresse La Voisin and that bent priest, the abbé Guibourg. Today their counterparts have “spirit cooking.” Of course, the abortion and infanticide surreptitiously conducted by La Voisin is today subsidized with the taxpayers’ money and carried out by ghouls like Gosnell. Bent priests today are fully occupied buggering altar boys. They are too busy with that to conduct black masses and in any event do not know enough Latin to do so in an appropriate style.

    Most politicians engage economists, who promise to foretell the future and fill the treasury with gold. Economists combine the purported skills of two former sets of courtiers – soothsayers and alchemists. I suppose this is called modern efficiency.

  155. Ibound1 says:
    @Anon

    I didn’t need a star chart to tell me the Iraq war would be a disaster.

    • Replies: @Chris Houston
  156. @Anonymous

    Huh. And here I always figured it is because astrology is gay.

  157. @J.Ross

    I always wondered why the company was named Toyota when the founder was named Toyoda. Never made sense.

  158. @Achmed E. Newman

    That kind of thing may have worked with a singer

    And it did.  Tom Smith upstaged her by following “I’m glad that he can’t read my mind” with “I wish I couldn’t read her mind“.  Reports are that she was very much amused.

  159. @Olorin

    “the aerospace circles were always weirder than the shipbuilding circles”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  160. @YetAnotherAnon

    My favorite Jack Parsons story is him getting off a multi-hour phone call in Pasadena in 1927 when he was 13 and his parents asking, “Who were you talking to?” and the kid saying, “Oh, just my friend Werner, he’s really into rockets too.” And then parents get a multi-thousand dollar long distance phone bill because their little Jack in Pasadena has been gabbing away with little Werner von Braun in Germany.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  161. Corn says:
    @Rapparee

    I remember seeing reruns of In Search Of.. on the History Channel in the ‘90s.

    Although there are still people who believe in UFOs and cryptids I think lack of evidence has tamped down those manias. Many UFO sightings are rather easily debunked and the proliferation of cameras, cell phones and trail cams still haven’t captured Bigfoot.

  162. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Kind of hard to believe – an international phone call in 1927 was no small thing. You didn’t just dial up your friend. You had to book it in advance with the international operator who would call you back when they made the connection. Future SS-Sturmbannführer von Braun was 15 in 1927 – did he even speak English at that time?

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  163. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    He’s really ahead of his time – his paintings are done old school with oil on linen but they look like they were done on the computer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  164. black sea says:

    Some years later, he was interviewed for Westchester magazine by a woman who asked why he so disparaged psychiatrists in his fiction. In replying, he ventured the opinion that astrology was probably more therapeutic than psychiatry. Only then did he discover that the interviewer was Dr. Silverberg’s [his psychiatrist's] wife.

    John Cheever, A Biography

  165. @theMann

    Belief in astrology is not ‘truly evil’ – it’s just a different manifestation of a fairly common religious impulse. The religious impulse is, in effect, a manifestation of a deep desire for there to be some order in the universe and/or some deep meaning to existence [1].

    Personally I doubt that humans have this deep desire for ‘meaning’ ex nihilo: it seems more likely that the ones who do have it, have it as a result of indoctrination.

    The impulse is easy to inculcate in children, because children are gullible. Organised religions have always worked hard to get their hooks into kiddies’ brains before the kiddies develop any half-decent control over their head-meat. Trying to convince an adult of the merits of some bunch of ludicrous stories is a far, far harder row to hoe – harder than getting a grownup to take up smoking.

    I have observed many people wrestle with nonsense over the course of 50-odd years on this ball of wet rock. It would number in the dozens – possibly as many as a hundred: that makes it a sample from which some inferences can be drawn (however it’s a ‘convenience’ sample – mostly white, mostly lower-middle-class, mostly two-parent families).

    In the sample of people I’ve observed, when people who were indoctrinated as kiddies start to doubt the nonsense, their first steps are more likely to involve a change their religious beliefs than to genuinely set aside childish things. Often the very first step only involves changing the ‘flavour’: start to get doubts about being Catholic/Unitarian/Baptist/Methodist/Episcopalian etc., and switch to some other version of the Jesus death-cult. A few will then have a go on different rides in the nonsense carnival.

    By the end of it, about half will stop looking (mostly just due to inertia). The other half will ‘transition’ to full-blown atheism – by which I mean rejection of all gods, as opposed to rejection of all gods except the one they’re currently infatuated with.

    For some, they still have this need for meaning (or order); they try to fulfill that need somewhere – nationalism, paganism, hipsterism, or what-not… and of course other drivel finds its way inside their ego boundaries as well.

    And lastly – and perhaps most importantly: most people who claim to believe in things… don’t actually believe. The way you can tell is that they don’t behave as if they believe.

    That’s an important thing to note, especially when the system in which they pretend to believe has eternal torment as punishment for transgression.

    If that was the case, you would expect the number of transgressions per true-believer to be exactly zero.

    “Eternal torment” means infinitely-negative net utility, even when calculated as a present value. Anyone who genuinely believes, accepts that they face that set of payoffs: therefore every temptation fails a basic cost-benefit calculation.

    And yet priests rape children (and it’s not just Catholics: it’s extremely common in all forms of ultra-orthodox religion, including Judaism).

    And of course most high-profile ‘believers’ are just charlatans looking to make bank – whether it’s getting to live in St Peter’s, being a horoscope celebrity on Instagram, or selling crystals on Etsy.

    You know who does behave as if they actually believe what they claim to believe?

    Suicide bombers[2].

    You really do need to genuinely believe, in order to do something so pointless and counter-productive.

    That’s not Islam’s fault: suicide bombing (especially of civilians) is explicitly un-Islamic. It’s a very clear violation of the 10 points that must be observed by a righteous jihadi. (Protip: this – plus the prohibition on conscription – means that anyone in ISIS/Daesh/ISIL is an apostate; in fact, offensive war against non-pagans is haram).

    However the people who become suicide bombers tend to be theologically illiterate: they do not realise that what they are doing is explicitly a violation of those 10 points. They believe what they’re told – they do not know that what they’re told is a perversion of Islam, in the same way that Westboro Baptists practice a perversion of the Jesus cult.

    Point is, though: they actually, genuinely believe – you can tell by the way they act.

    Since the internet has an IQ of about 97, I probably need to explicitly point out: I abhor suicide bombing of civilian targets. It’s pointless and counter-productive.

    Endnotes

    [1] Spoiler alert: there’s order, but not meaning. The universe appears to do what it does according to some fairly easily-discerned rules (easily-discerned if you’re not a pre-scientific tribesman), so there’s ‘order’ at various scales.For those who need some transcendent meaning: sadly, no. At macro scales (both spatial and temporal), the doings of some apes on an inconsequential wet rock are mind-bogglingly insignificant; at micro scales (say, a 200-year span) the likelihood that any individual ‘makes a difference’ to humanity’s long term trajectory is so close to zero that it doesn’t matter. That includes Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Joseph Smith, Hitler, Gandhi, Stalin, Mao, L Ron Hubbard… check back in another thousand years – they will be as relevant then, as Osiris and Zalmoxis are today.

    [2] I’m ignoring the exploitation of retarded people as suicide bombers: that’s happened, and the people who exploited them are apostates. There are also people who sacrifice themselves for non-religious reasons: they strap on the vest in expectation of payment to their families, or as a result of direct threats to kill their families if they don’t.

  166. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Typical hipster — nothing to say, but period-correct ironic anachronism with painstaking technique to say it. I hate that computer sliming look and want it to die forever. That and that cheap partial animation ruin the otherwise interesting Cocaine Cowboys documentary.

  167. @Ibound1

    Yeah but you thought they were just stupid. You didn’t realize the outcome of that war was what they planned, they wanted it to be a failed state.
    Then you had Obama do the same thing in Libya and Syria, more failed states.
    And you still think there are two different parties.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  168. Ibound1 says:
    @Chris Houston

    I wanted Obama to do the same thing in Libya and Syria?

    What the hell are you talking about? I didn’t want an invasion of Iraq, Syria or Libya, all of which I could not care any less about. They can all kill each other to their heart’s content or make their perfect Islamic paradise. Either way, I don’t care – as long as we have nothing to do with it. Those countries altogether aren’t worth a scratch on a single American soldier. As for one party, blah blah blah, I note that Trump isn’t invading anyone. For that alone I’m grateful.

  169. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Which came first: the painting of the girls in little black dresses, or the Robert Palmer girls?

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