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From the New York Times news section:

SAT Adversity Index: A Drive Toward Diversity Without Discussing Race

By Anemona Hartocollis and Amy Harmon

That’s quite a line-up.

May 17, 2019

The decision to give students who take the SAT test a numerical rating that reflects the challenges they have overcome in life is the most telling sign yet that universities across the country are searching for ways to diversify their classes without considering race or ethnicity.

In other words, they are looking for a magic way to continue to impose racial preferences without preferring race, just by obvious proxies for race. You know, in case the Supreme Court starts to notice that pesky bit in the 14th Amendment about “equal protection of the laws.” Back in 2003, the Supreme Court put a 25 year limit on race preferences, and we’re now 16/25ths of the way there.

The so-called adversity rating gives admissions officials a way to learn about a student’s neighborhood and school, factors that have been found to help or hurt academic achievement. The score, which does not account for the student’s race, will be part of an Environmental Context Dashboard sent to colleges in addition to test results.

You know what would predict SAT scores really accurately? Percentage of soda sales in a zip code’s shops that were grape-flavored. Also, percentage of cigarettes sold that are menthol.

With the plan, the College Board, which administers the SAT, is joining a broadening movement among all levels of education toward using race-neutral alternatives to affirmative action. …

The new tool for the SAT, a standardized exam taken by two million students each year, gives the movement toward race-neutrality perhaps its biggest boost, distilling the complexities of disadvantage to a simple number from 1 to 100. It anticipates a time when the American higher education system may move beyond considering race, in favor of factors like poverty, crime-ridden neighborhoods and struggling schools.

By the way, I’m opening a new charter school:

The Rick Singer Global Adversity Academy
P.O. Box 90210
Compton, CA 90059

If you mention your child’s school by name during your Emmy, Oscar, or Grammy award acceptance speech, your child gets all As!

“Considering that students of color that apply have higher disadvantage levels on average, it’s hard to imagine that using the dashboard would not lead to an increase in racial diversity,” said Michael Bastedo, a professor of education at the University of Michigan. …

Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.

The district uses a complex formula that analyzes the city’s census tracts for six factors: median family income, percentage of single-parent households, adult education level, percentage of owner-occupied homes, percentage of households in which English is not the first language and achievement scores of neighborhood schools for students living in the census tract.

They could make the system even more accurate at predicting SAT scores by asking whether the student likes baseball or basketball more, rock or rap, Seinfeld or Family Matters?

The College Board’s new tool for the SAT is in some ways an expanded version of this, using 31 factors related to the test taker’s neighborhood and school. It does not account for individual circumstances. …

The College Board’s plan comes as challenges to affirmative action are making their way through the courts or in federal investigations….

Harvard says it does not discriminate, and at trial the university argued that considering socioeconomic factors alone would not bring in enough minority students of the academic caliber that it wants. …

In the initial data the College Board has collected on some schools that have tried out the new tool, it found that disadvantaged students who did not attend high schools known to be regular feeders to college were more likely to be admitted, said Dr. Bastedo, who served as a consultant on the project. The tool’s impact on the admission of racial minorities has not yet been analyzed.

Oh, boy, this sounds like College Board president David Coleman’s umpteenth idea that sounded so brilliant in the boardroom (e.g., Common Core, New Slate-Flavored SAT) that he didn’t bother testing it before implementing it.

College Board officials said that the impetus for the adversity score had come from colleges. “It came from requests from our members, a good number of whom work in states that prohibit the use of race in admissions,” said Connie Betterton, vice president for higher education access and strategy at the College Board.

Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

Speaking of 1990s comedy shows, “urbanicity and rurality” sounds like a line from In Living Color.

At this point, the adversity score is not reported to the test taker …

iSteve commenter Jack D points out:

Yes, this is clearly the fallback plan for when the S. Ct. bans race based AA. They just have to pray that “disparate impact” doesn’t work in reverse because they are clearly desperately trying (short of including purple drank consumption in their formula although who knows since they won’t release all the factors) to get the “adversity score” to correlate with melanin. As I have mentioned in other threads, if you were say an evil insurance company and came up with a “race neutral” adversity score (using the same exact factors) so you could avoid giving car insurance to black people, the government would see through it in a NY minute. But in reverse, our wise men suddenly get all obtuse.

 
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  1. Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

    I’ll bet they did. Can’t have poor ruralites take any places set aside for for the urbanicious.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    I think I’ve read somewhere that it’s the ruralicious Iowa farmboys who are most discriminated against in terms of their ability and access to education. Someone should open a Little College on the Prairie to give these kids an education.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I'll bet at least a half dozen African American teens are named Urbanicious. Or maybe Ur'banishess.
    , @Desiderius
    Only a Ms. could be that clueless. Of course they’re doing that, it’s the whole point, but to say it out loud...
  2. Anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    How many people Googled “Anemona Hartocollis” and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking “Does she identify as black?” It’s gotten such that you really don’t know whether that clearly white writer is actually not white.

    —–

    I thing that the problem that admissions offices are running into is the same problem that primary and secondary schools are running into: “There are not enough ______.” There are not enough white kids to desegregate schools. And there are not enough black kids to recruit for your college who are not going to have major mismatch issues and create a dropout or graduation rate nightmare, or de-legitimatize your institution’s reputation after they are “mentored” through to graduation. The solution for universities seems to be to import smart black immigrants, or to focus on white people who “identify as black” because they have a half African ancestry grandparent.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    "How many people Googled 'Anemona Hartocollis' and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking 'Does she identify as black?'"

    "Anemona Hartocollis"? Are you kidding me? Mom and Dad must have been on an acid trip when they named her -- the name sounds like it describes a disease of the lower GIT. Color wise, I'd say she is a "person of non-color."
    , @Autochthon
    Zhir is quite mannish, never mind race.

    Among the photographs accosting my eyes during this exercise was one of Esther Wojcicki (perhaps zhir's mate?), and...hoo, boy!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/05/18/us/18VERMONT/18VERMONT-facebookJumbo.jpg
  3. Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it’s an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it’s an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

     

    But don't you think the 'stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality”' has been added to the formula to identify and plug this very loophole? That's certainly my suspicion, but I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    It's not an improvement over ANYTHING. It's sick, Orwellian stuff, especially this part:

    At this point, the adversity score is not reported to the test taker …
     
    It's time to defund the U's, and if I'm gonna let the Socialists get away with just one thing, sure, g'head, TAX THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THE ENDOWMENTS - 25% PER YEAR WEALTH TAX! I don't care. Spend the money on whatever you want, burn the money, for that matter.
    , @Gordo

    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it’s an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.
     
    The problem is that White people don't tend to game the system.
    , @ATBOTL
    It appears that whites are the most harmed by this. Asians are relatively less harmed. As you move toward higher levels of preference, the ratio of Asians to whites increases. There are nearly equal numbers of whites and Asians in the most privileged deciles.

    This is engineered to hurt whites. Low crime rates in poor white rural areas are one way. Poor Asians often live in big cities with large numbers of low functioning NAM's. The Asians students will get a boost for that.
    , @Anonymous
    They already know if you're from a rural, white working class background, and there is some effort to admit those applicants via "geographic diversity". But there's no indication that this latest effort is an attempt to increase such "geographic diversity". It appears the way for them to game the system would be to move to inner cities and pretend to be black.
    , @Cortes
    The rural kids need to learn to be from Yorkshire:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
  4. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

     

    I'll bet they did. Can't have poor ruralites take any places set aside for for the urbanicious.

    I think I’ve read somewhere that it’s the ruralicious Iowa farmboys who are most discriminated against in terms of their ability and access to education. Someone should open a Little College on the Prairie to give these kids an education.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    You probably read it here. At least, Steve has covered this before.
  5. Speaking of Quayle: https://www.tapinto.net/articles/hackensack-rivercreepers-post-new-record-at-world-series-of-birding-4

    Civilisation depends entirely on gardening and birdwatching.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    "As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden."
  6. The NY Times misrepresents the Chicago system. The city is broken into 4 Tiers based on socio-economic factors. Tier 1 contains lots of weave shops and Tier 4 contains Stuff White People Like. Selective enrollment high schools take 1/4 of their classes from each Tier.

    Admission is based upon seventh grade grades, the NWEA/MAP test (created to measure academic progress – it is a computer based test that feeds you harder and harder questions until the kid reaches something they don’t know – my kid in 3d grade started crying when I asked them about the test and they said there is not supposed to be letters in math..they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders). Finally, there is an admission test.

    So Tier 4 is hyper competitive for a few high schools. In essence you need straight A’s and 99.5% on the two tests. There is a real step down in the lower Tiers. There are even some programs that let you start high school in 7th grade and the last 2 years are nothing but AP courses and college courses given by Loyola and U of Chicago, given for a nominal fee, a real bargain.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    my kid in 3d grade started crying when I asked them about the test and they said there is not supposed to be letters in math..
     
    Been exactly there, but my own curiousity was the culprit. The tears didn't come until the calculus book and the curvy symbols and italics set me right off.

    Nowadays it's the numbers in literature classes (informational texts!) that get me more exercised.

    , @Jack D

    they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders
     
    It doesn't make sense that they would put questions on the test that NO 3rd grader would ever get right - some % must know it if the test is to separate the men from the boys. Either some kids have been reading Older Brother's algebra book or some 3rd graders are smart enough to infer on the spot that in the case of 3+x = 5, x is intended to refer to some unknown number.
  7. Here in Ohio, there has been some improvement in urban schools, but not rural ones.
    Then again, despite several of my classmates teaching there, my school district was considered one of the best in the nation by USN&WR. Not sure what their standards are, but it was interesting to find out.

  8. @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it’s an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    But don’t you think the ‘stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality”’ has been added to the formula to identify and plug this very loophole? That’s certainly my suspicion, but I’d be delighted to be proved wrong.

  9. Anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I ran across this tweet and found it interesting:

    The only place that I could imagine that this could happen would be in a smaller, closely held family business. The conspiracy aspects of doing something like this in secret are not realistic.

    Also, “There are not enough unwoke college graduates” to staff a big companay.

    Once it leaked out that a CEO, with board approval, had such a project in mind, there would be boycotts and discrimination lawsuits (some legally protected classes are almost by definition woke).

    But the idea of a boutique management consultancy trying to develop such a plan is thought-provoking. Consultants generally will dive into an organization and ask a lot of questions. They are generally 20 something elite college grads, and are not trusted. They have to ask very specific questions, “What did you work on yesterday, say in 15 minute chunks?” A dewoker consultant would have to figure out a way to tease out employee wokeness and activism proclivities without giving away the game, and the unwoke will be very careful to not reveal that.

    Attacking HR first is a great idea. As for execs, a sudden emphasis on an anti-age discrimination program might help: Call back companay alumni. Maybe conspire on a fake lawsuit that you could “settle” by agreeing to replace your management team with oldsters.

    Is there a woke equivalent of the black-repellent baroque harpsichord music used by retail shops?

    Maybe force people to identify themselves by having taco-bowl days in the lunchroom with free mini sombreros, and then apologize while taking names down.

    Here are three things that would shut down a lot of woke nonsense;

    1. No phones in the office. Physically. Not a requirement that you have to turn off the phone. A prohibition of physically having the object with you. If the young’uns think they need to be in touch with their kids’ schools, or their mom’s doctor, or whatever, set the rules for what kind of contacts are allowed, and require incoming calls to be routed to a central office that vets them and has pre-registered information about kids and moms and authorized contactees.

    2. No personal internet use in the office. The internet is so wound with work, but I don’t think this is an insoluble problem. Treat employees “like children.” “You’re treating us like children!” “Yes, we are.” Filter sites. Have a big stock ticker showing URLs being used. Have monitors in the office showing websites being used. For a media organization, divide up the work and have only some people doing online research, which will be done according to a plan, and which will be memorialized and subject to a post mortum. Ban stories based on Twitter, social media, Change.org petitions, and the like. Have writers draft FOIA requests instead.

    3. No intra company messaging system like Slack. Pick up the voice phone line or walk over to someone’s desk. Have standing meetings next to printing whiteboards.

    I think that when you get people offline their brains will reset to a more sane state.

    ToxicCentrism
    ‏ @ExcludedMuddle

    I wonder if the major consultancies have quietly been tasked with developing “de-wokeing” strategies for orgs. I figure it would take 2 years for a large org, starting by purging HR of the activists and sympathizers, then any execs, and finally onboarding replacements for IC’s.

    7:43 PM – 17 May 2019

    • Replies: @midtown
    I like this general thought process. It is absolutely crucial to fight in the corporations.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Suggestions 1 - 3 would probably increase productivity in a lot of organizations. They may reduce Toxic Wokeness more just by driving out the unproductive parasites than by any specific anti-woke antibodies. Not that I oppose anyone adopting them. Indeed a lot of them would have been considered normal in the pre-tech era.

    For most organizations, it is probably easier and cheaper to practice anti-wokeness as a preventive, prophylactic measure than to try to recover already infected orgs from their deeply pozzed state.

    Deeply pozzed orgs are probably best just put down, building new, purified orgs around any staff who proved immune to the poz virus. The only cases where it is probably worth the effort of recovering severely afflicted patients is where the org is fixed in place by law (e.g., government agencies), where it enjoys unassailable reputational advantage (e.g., Harvard U), or where it enjoys an undislodgeable situational advantage (e.g., Facebook's vast embedded network effect monopoly).

    As always in these times, the key to successfully de-pozzing anything is acting as the antiObama: presenting every step of the process in a mild, boring, non-controversial way, using soothing language and buzzwords. Dress, behave and appear as a conventional current year citizen. No bombasticness allowed! (One of my favorite hobbies, alas!)
    , @Autochthon
    Alright, damn it: Who gave ToxicCentrism the keys to the Corporate Bullshit Generator again? You all have been told to keep him away from it!

    Woke orgs, pelgranes, execs, grues, sandestins, ics, and wormingers – fanciful, imaginary things from a master of speculative fiction, or another inscrutable memorandum from some bitch in Personnel? We asked one hundred people, and you won't want to miss their answers....
  10. Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

    So does “urbanicity” add to your adversity points, or subtract? Does “rurality” subtract, or add? What sort of “feedback” were they getting from colleges?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You don't need to know that. It's a secret formula, like that of Coca~Cola.
  11. All this HBD MGTOW BAP gaylord bullshit is a jewish diversion into narcissistic english up-it’s-own-arsehole-self-worship.

    1) All reaction is mediated via the media.

    2) Take out the media.

    3) Aim firstly at those who set the parameters of discourse.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Btw, just like the dispute over the authorship of Shakespeare is a much disputed realm of academia so is the much disputed authorship of the lyrics and intent of Back in Black.

    Personally, I think Malcolm took ownership of what Bon Scott had already developed. This album is a middle point in the band's career not only in album sales but also in lyrical and musical style.

    Half the album is full of great whit and the other set to majestic un-reconstructed-unapologetic reptitious mysogniostic Australiana.

    Giving the Dog a Bone is pure Malcolm Young. You have to age-accept on youtube to listen today otherwise you can't listen.

    On the other hand You Shook Me All Night Long is pure Bon Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4
  12. How long before they abandon it because it is insufficiently anti-white?

  13. @Anon
    How many people Googled "Anemona Hartocollis" and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking "Does she identify as black?" It's gotten such that you really don't know whether that clearly white writer is actually not white.

    -----

    I thing that the problem that admissions offices are running into is the same problem that primary and secondary schools are running into: "There are not enough ______." There are not enough white kids to desegregate schools. And there are not enough black kids to recruit for your college who are not going to have major mismatch issues and create a dropout or graduation rate nightmare, or de-legitimatize your institution's reputation after they are "mentored" through to graduation. The solution for universities seems to be to import smart black immigrants, or to focus on white people who "identify as black" because they have a half African ancestry grandparent.

    “How many people Googled ‘Anemona Hartocollis’ and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking ‘Does she identify as black?’”

    “Anemona Hartocollis”? Are you kidding me? Mom and Dad must have been on an acid trip when they named her — the name sounds like it describes a disease of the lower GIT. Color wise, I’d say she is a “person of non-color.”

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    The NYT's own bio for her says that she was born in Switzerland. I suspect euro-beatnik parents who tried to name her after a nice flower, i.e. an anemone.
  14. Ed says:

    Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.

    The district uses a complex formula that analyzes the city’s census tracts for six factors: median family income, percentage of single-parent households, adult education level, percentage of owner-occupied homes, percentage of households in which English is not the first language and achievement scores of neighborhood schools for students living in the census tract.

    Over the years I’ve seen the media refer to how great Chicago’s elite public schools are at diversity. What I haven’t seen over the years is how well their special admits are doing.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    https://selectiveprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/19-20-Selective-Enrollment-Scores.pdf

    In essence there is about 100 point gap between highest and lowest tiers.

    They schools do a good job of graduating even lower performing students. Almost all the schools are massive (except for Northside College Prep) and plenty of classes aimed at lower performing students/athletes.
    , @Triumph104
    The schools aren't diverse. There are 11 selective high schools in Chicago and whites and Asians only want to attend five. Of the other six schools, one is 95% Hispanic and five are majority black. Two of the black schools have had average ACT scores that were lower than the city-wide average for Chicago Public Schools.

    There are only 400,000 students in Chicago Public Schools, compared to 1.1 million in New York City. But Chicago has almost the same amount of seats for its elite exam schools (about 14,000) as does New York City (about 15,000).

    CPS is only 10% white and 4% Asian.

    The elite CPS schools are "selective", not "specialized" like NYC. So the kids in Chicago are able to find their niche and do fine, unlike the STEM pressure cooker in NYC.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    percentage of households in which English is not the first language

    Isn't this bad for black kids in Chicago?

    Or is that the point?
  15. Could have Shirl and Laverne had a kid?
    Amy Harmon suggests that they did.
    I won’t be invidjus
    And say that she’s hidjus,
    But her face would look much better hid.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Amy Harmon is a national correspondent for The New York Times, covering the intersection of science and society.
     
    She should instead cover the intersection of Laverne and Shirley known as her face.
    https://www.nytimes.com/by/amy-harmon
  16. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "How many people Googled 'Anemona Hartocollis' and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking 'Does she identify as black?'"

    "Anemona Hartocollis"? Are you kidding me? Mom and Dad must have been on an acid trip when they named her -- the name sounds like it describes a disease of the lower GIT. Color wise, I'd say she is a "person of non-color."

    The NYT’s own bio for her says that she was born in Switzerland. I suspect euro-beatnik parents who tried to name her after a nice flower, i.e. an anemone.

  17. Maybe this has already been covered, but is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?

    If no, then this is surely just an ongoing process where the black box of “Adversity Calculation” will be perpetually modified to increase blacks and to reduce whites and Asians, perhaps even using Steve’s tongue-in-cheek proxies (grape soda, menthol).

    If yes, then this will quickly become just another tool in the box of gamed stats used by Tiger mothers, Rick Singer-types, subcon grifters, et al.

    I’m just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    [P.S. The previous sentence could be appended to an awful lot of comments.]

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Don't you be dissing ma puppa drank fool!
    I've killed for less!
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    . . . is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?
     
    From what I've seen, the answer is a flat no, i.e. it's not transparent at all. Students can't see their own adversity scores, and there's no explanation of how the actual scores are calculated beyond the vague criteria listed in the news stories.
    , @kaganovitch
    I’m just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    It's a moving target. You can't be statically cynical, you have to be dynamically cynical.
  18. @TelfoedJohn
    I think I’ve read somewhere that it’s the ruralicious Iowa farmboys who are most discriminated against in terms of their ability and access to education. Someone should open a Little College on the Prairie to give these kids an education.

    You probably read it here. At least, Steve has covered this before.

  19. @Pat Hannagan
    All this HBD MGTOW BAP gaylord bullshit is a jewish diversion into narcissistic english up-it's-own-arsehole-self-worship.

    1) All reaction is mediated via the media.

    2) Take out the media.

    3) Aim firstly at those who set the parameters of discourse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_IWlPHMziU

    Btw, just like the dispute over the authorship of Shakespeare is a much disputed realm of academia so is the much disputed authorship of the lyrics and intent of Back in Black.

    Personally, I think Malcolm took ownership of what Bon Scott had already developed. This album is a middle point in the band’s career not only in album sales but also in lyrical and musical style.

    Half the album is full of great whit and the other set to majestic un-reconstructed-unapologetic reptitious mysogniostic Australiana.

    Giving the Dog a Bone is pure Malcolm Young. You have to age-accept on youtube to listen today otherwise you can’t listen.

    On the other hand You Shook Me All Night Long is pure Bon Scott

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I didn't realize You Shook Me All Night Long started out as a Muddy Waters song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM91Fyh58Jc

    and then a Led Zeppelin song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS1Tz6dzcjU

    But, wow, AC-DC's version is much better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoXkMZvD5Q

    , @Desiderius
    If Bon Scott had lived we wouldn’t be in this mess. Half the T-level drop is due to his absence alone.
  20. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe this has already been covered, but is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?

    If no, then this is surely just an ongoing process where the black box of "Adversity Calculation" will be perpetually modified to increase blacks and to reduce whites and Asians, perhaps even using Steve's tongue-in-cheek proxies (grape soda, menthol).

    If yes, then this will quickly become just another tool in the box of gamed stats used by Tiger mothers, Rick Singer-types, subcon grifters, et al.

    I'm just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    [P.S. The previous sentence could be appended to an awful lot of comments.]

    Don’t you be dissing ma puppa drank fool!
    I’ve killed for less!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I hear ya, Hammer.

    [SJW glasses on] But did you just assume the dis-ness of "tongue-in-cheek"?
  21. @Anon
    OT

    I ran across this tweet and found it interesting:

    https://twitter.com/ExcludedMuddle/status/1129578230581682176

    The only place that I could imagine that this could happen would be in a smaller, closely held family business. The conspiracy aspects of doing something like this in secret are not realistic.

    Also, "There are not enough unwoke college graduates" to staff a big companay.

    Once it leaked out that a CEO, with board approval, had such a project in mind, there would be boycotts and discrimination lawsuits (some legally protected classes are almost by definition woke).

    But the idea of a boutique management consultancy trying to develop such a plan is thought-provoking. Consultants generally will dive into an organization and ask a lot of questions. They are generally 20 something elite college grads, and are not trusted. They have to ask very specific questions, "What did you work on yesterday, say in 15 minute chunks?" A dewoker consultant would have to figure out a way to tease out employee wokeness and activism proclivities without giving away the game, and the unwoke will be very careful to not reveal that.

    Attacking HR first is a great idea. As for execs, a sudden emphasis on an anti-age discrimination program might help: Call back companay alumni. Maybe conspire on a fake lawsuit that you could "settle" by agreeing to replace your management team with oldsters.

    Is there a woke equivalent of the black-repellent baroque harpsichord music used by retail shops?

    Maybe force people to identify themselves by having taco-bowl days in the lunchroom with free mini sombreros, and then apologize while taking names down.

    Here are three things that would shut down a lot of woke nonsense;

    1. No phones in the office. Physically. Not a requirement that you have to turn off the phone. A prohibition of physically having the object with you. If the young'uns think they need to be in touch with their kids' schools, or their mom's doctor, or whatever, set the rules for what kind of contacts are allowed, and require incoming calls to be routed to a central office that vets them and has pre-registered information about kids and moms and authorized contactees.

    2. No personal internet use in the office. The internet is so wound with work, but I don't think this is an insoluble problem. Treat employees "like children." "You're treating us like children!" "Yes, we are." Filter sites. Have a big stock ticker showing URLs being used. Have monitors in the office showing websites being used. For a media organization, divide up the work and have only some people doing online research, which will be done according to a plan, and which will be memorialized and subject to a post mortum. Ban stories based on Twitter, social media, Change.org petitions, and the like. Have writers draft FOIA requests instead.

    3. No intra company messaging system like Slack. Pick up the voice phone line or walk over to someone's desk. Have standing meetings next to printing whiteboards.

    I think that when you get people offline their brains will reset to a more sane state.


    ToxicCentrism
    ‏ @ExcludedMuddle

    I wonder if the major consultancies have quietly been tasked with developing “de-wokeing” strategies for orgs. I figure it would take 2 years for a large org, starting by purging HR of the activists and sympathizers, then any execs, and finally onboarding replacements for IC’s.

    7:43 PM - 17 May 2019
     

    I like this general thought process. It is absolutely crucial to fight in the corporations.

  22. @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    It’s not an improvement over ANYTHING. It’s sick, Orwellian stuff, especially this part:

    At this point, the adversity score is not reported to the test taker …

    It’s time to defund the U’s, and if I’m gonna let the Socialists get away with just one thing, sure, g’head, TAX THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THE ENDOWMENTS – 25% PER YEAR WEALTH TAX! I don’t care. Spend the money on whatever you want, burn the money, for that matter.

  23. @vinteuil

    Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”
     
    So does "urbanicity" add to your adversity points, or subtract? Does "rurality" subtract, or add? What sort of "feedback" were they getting from colleges?

    You don’t need to know that. It’s a secret formula, like that of Coca~Cola.

  24. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe this has already been covered, but is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?

    If no, then this is surely just an ongoing process where the black box of "Adversity Calculation" will be perpetually modified to increase blacks and to reduce whites and Asians, perhaps even using Steve's tongue-in-cheek proxies (grape soda, menthol).

    If yes, then this will quickly become just another tool in the box of gamed stats used by Tiger mothers, Rick Singer-types, subcon grifters, et al.

    I'm just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    [P.S. The previous sentence could be appended to an awful lot of comments.]

    . . . is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?

    From what I’ve seen, the answer is a flat no, i.e. it’s not transparent at all. Students can’t see their own adversity scores, and there’s no explanation of how the actual scores are calculated beyond the vague criteria listed in the news stories.

  25. @Anon
    OT

    I ran across this tweet and found it interesting:

    https://twitter.com/ExcludedMuddle/status/1129578230581682176

    The only place that I could imagine that this could happen would be in a smaller, closely held family business. The conspiracy aspects of doing something like this in secret are not realistic.

    Also, "There are not enough unwoke college graduates" to staff a big companay.

    Once it leaked out that a CEO, with board approval, had such a project in mind, there would be boycotts and discrimination lawsuits (some legally protected classes are almost by definition woke).

    But the idea of a boutique management consultancy trying to develop such a plan is thought-provoking. Consultants generally will dive into an organization and ask a lot of questions. They are generally 20 something elite college grads, and are not trusted. They have to ask very specific questions, "What did you work on yesterday, say in 15 minute chunks?" A dewoker consultant would have to figure out a way to tease out employee wokeness and activism proclivities without giving away the game, and the unwoke will be very careful to not reveal that.

    Attacking HR first is a great idea. As for execs, a sudden emphasis on an anti-age discrimination program might help: Call back companay alumni. Maybe conspire on a fake lawsuit that you could "settle" by agreeing to replace your management team with oldsters.

    Is there a woke equivalent of the black-repellent baroque harpsichord music used by retail shops?

    Maybe force people to identify themselves by having taco-bowl days in the lunchroom with free mini sombreros, and then apologize while taking names down.

    Here are three things that would shut down a lot of woke nonsense;

    1. No phones in the office. Physically. Not a requirement that you have to turn off the phone. A prohibition of physically having the object with you. If the young'uns think they need to be in touch with their kids' schools, or their mom's doctor, or whatever, set the rules for what kind of contacts are allowed, and require incoming calls to be routed to a central office that vets them and has pre-registered information about kids and moms and authorized contactees.

    2. No personal internet use in the office. The internet is so wound with work, but I don't think this is an insoluble problem. Treat employees "like children." "You're treating us like children!" "Yes, we are." Filter sites. Have a big stock ticker showing URLs being used. Have monitors in the office showing websites being used. For a media organization, divide up the work and have only some people doing online research, which will be done according to a plan, and which will be memorialized and subject to a post mortum. Ban stories based on Twitter, social media, Change.org petitions, and the like. Have writers draft FOIA requests instead.

    3. No intra company messaging system like Slack. Pick up the voice phone line or walk over to someone's desk. Have standing meetings next to printing whiteboards.

    I think that when you get people offline their brains will reset to a more sane state.


    ToxicCentrism
    ‏ @ExcludedMuddle

    I wonder if the major consultancies have quietly been tasked with developing “de-wokeing” strategies for orgs. I figure it would take 2 years for a large org, starting by purging HR of the activists and sympathizers, then any execs, and finally onboarding replacements for IC’s.

    7:43 PM - 17 May 2019
     

    Suggestions 1 – 3 would probably increase productivity in a lot of organizations. They may reduce Toxic Wokeness more just by driving out the unproductive parasites than by any specific anti-woke antibodies. Not that I oppose anyone adopting them. Indeed a lot of them would have been considered normal in the pre-tech era.

    For most organizations, it is probably easier and cheaper to practice anti-wokeness as a preventive, prophylactic measure than to try to recover already infected orgs from their deeply pozzed state.

    Deeply pozzed orgs are probably best just put down, building new, purified orgs around any staff who proved immune to the poz virus. The only cases where it is probably worth the effort of recovering severely afflicted patients is where the org is fixed in place by law (e.g., government agencies), where it enjoys unassailable reputational advantage (e.g., Harvard U), or where it enjoys an undislodgeable situational advantage (e.g., Facebook’s vast embedded network effect monopoly).

    As always in these times, the key to successfully de-pozzing anything is acting as the antiObama: presenting every step of the process in a mild, boring, non-controversial way, using soothing language and buzzwords. Dress, behave and appear as a conventional current year citizen. No bombasticness allowed! (One of my favorite hobbies, alas!)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    "Whatever happened to running away and joining the circus?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXbj_afQf0

    I'm sorry, A.M., I tried to find the clip of Martin Mull and movie wife rescuing their daughter from the cult house in San. Francisco, with the help from the gay motorcycle gang.

    Cultists (as the motorcyclists tear-ass through the house raising hell): "We love you, man!"
    Gay motorcyclist: "Yeah, prove it."
  26. @HammerJack
    Don't you be dissing ma puppa drank fool!
    I've killed for less!

    I hear ya, Hammer.

    [SJW glasses on] But did you just assume the dis-ness of “tongue-in-cheek”?

  27. @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it’s an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    The problem is that White people don’t tend to game the system.

  28. What I’d really like to know is how David Coleman got into a position of such power and influence. He’s manifestly unqualified.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Coleman_(education)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    David Coleman sold Bill Gates on Common Core.
  29. @Pat Hannagan
    Btw, just like the dispute over the authorship of Shakespeare is a much disputed realm of academia so is the much disputed authorship of the lyrics and intent of Back in Black.

    Personally, I think Malcolm took ownership of what Bon Scott had already developed. This album is a middle point in the band's career not only in album sales but also in lyrical and musical style.

    Half the album is full of great whit and the other set to majestic un-reconstructed-unapologetic reptitious mysogniostic Australiana.

    Giving the Dog a Bone is pure Malcolm Young. You have to age-accept on youtube to listen today otherwise you can't listen.

    On the other hand You Shook Me All Night Long is pure Bon Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4

    I didn’t realize You Shook Me All Night Long started out as a Muddy Waters song

    and then a Led Zeppelin song:

    But, wow, AC-DC’s version is much better:

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    And who's to account for this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2g4RMfhS0
    , @Pat Hannagan
    There must be a million renditions in ode to original.


    I hold to this day to the original:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2KZ2PWwQyQ
    , @Desiderius
    Is there an album rock song that didn’t come from Muddy Waters?
  30. @the one they call Desanex
    Could have Shirl and Laverne had a kid?
    Amy Harmon suggests that they did.
    I won’t be invidjus
    And say that she’s hidjus,
    But her face would look much better hid.
    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kwmu/files/styles/x_large/public/201611/111716_KM_slotaamyharmon.JPG

    Amy Harmon is a national correspondent for The New York Times, covering the intersection of science and society.

    She should instead cover the intersection of Laverne and Shirley known as her face.
    https://www.nytimes.com/by/amy-harmon

  31. Beautiful.

    People get offended by songs or styles that resemble another or even STEAL from that favourite artist: music, unlike “Art” is not for profit; it’s real, it’s always happening and you can go listen in your owne neighbourhood.

    Ty Segall does the best John Lennon and makes him his own.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    For Instance: until the other fortnight I'd never heard of this until the greatest RRTIer Otto Von Trickyaleter sent it out


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=961Cv9KsJUE&feature=youtu.be

    Dave Navarro and bassist Eric Avery from Jane's Addiction, plus drummer Michael Murphy.

    I had to search on Discogs to get an original untouched CD.
    , @Pat Hannagan
    The general public think that a chord structure is written in stone and that any progression replicated is yet another example of copyright infirngement

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtKe1ZnyRK8
  32. @Ed

    Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.

    The district uses a complex formula that analyzes the city’s census tracts for six factors: median family income, percentage of single-parent households, adult education level, percentage of owner-occupied homes, percentage of households in which English is not the first language and achievement scores of neighborhood schools for students living in the census tract.
     
    Over the years I’ve seen the media refer to how great Chicago’s elite public schools are at diversity. What I haven’t seen over the years is how well their special admits are doing.

    https://selectiveprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/19-20-Selective-Enrollment-Scores.pdf

    In essence there is about 100 point gap between highest and lowest tiers.

    They schools do a good job of graduating even lower performing students. Almost all the schools are massive (except for Northside College Prep) and plenty of classes aimed at lower performing students/athletes.

  33. @Pat Hannagan
    Beautiful.

    People get offended by songs or styles that resemble another or even STEAL from that favourite artist: music, unlike "Art" is not for profit; it's real, it's always happening and you can go listen in your owne neighbourhood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Id-mgk66s

    Ty Segall does the best John Lennon and makes him his own.

    For Instance: until the other fortnight I’d never heard of this until the greatest RRTIer Otto Von Trickyaleter sent it out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=961Cv9KsJUE&feature=youtu.be

    Dave Navarro and bassist Eric Avery from Jane’s Addiction, plus drummer Michael Murphy.

    I had to search on Discogs to get an original untouched CD.

  34. @Pat Hannagan
    Speaking of Quayle: https://www.tapinto.net/articles/hackensack-rivercreepers-post-new-record-at-world-series-of-birding-4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D7342Nx1_s

    Civilisation depends entirely on gardening and birdwatching.

    “As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.”

  35. @Pat Hannagan
    Beautiful.

    People get offended by songs or styles that resemble another or even STEAL from that favourite artist: music, unlike "Art" is not for profit; it's real, it's always happening and you can go listen in your owne neighbourhood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Id-mgk66s

    Ty Segall does the best John Lennon and makes him his own.

    The general public think that a chord structure is written in stone and that any progression replicated is yet another example of copyright infirngement

  36. @Cloudbuster
    What I'd really like to know is how David Coleman got into a position of such power and influence. He's manifestly unqualified.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Coleman_(education)

    David Coleman sold Bill Gates on Common Core.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    More likely Melinda.
  37. BTW aren’t there plenty of rural blacks in the American South?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    If you think this is about blacks you haven’t been paying attention.
  38. “… Seinfeld or Family Matters?”

    Giving away your age there: Wouldn’t Modern Family or Blackish be more up to date?

  39. @Steve Sailer
    I didn't realize You Shook Me All Night Long started out as a Muddy Waters song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM91Fyh58Jc

    and then a Led Zeppelin song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS1Tz6dzcjU

    But, wow, AC-DC's version is much better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoXkMZvD5Q

    And who’s to account for this?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    In 1980 Oz Rotherham wouldn't happen
  40. @Pat Hannagan
    And who's to account for this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2g4RMfhS0

    In 1980 Oz Rotherham wouldn’t happen

  41. Yes, this is clearly the fallback plan for when the S. Ct. bans race based AA. They just have to pray that “disparate impact” doesn’t work in reverse because they are clearly desperately trying (short of including purple drank consumption in their formula although who knows since they won’t release all the factors) to get the “adversity score” to correlate with melanin. As I have mentioned in other threads, if you were say an evil insurance company and came up with a “race neutral” adversity score (using the same exact factors) so you could avoid giving car insurance to black people, the government would see through it in a NY minute. But in reverse, our wise men suddenly get all obtuse.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Thinking about this further, the Leftist playbook is always "kick the can down the road". They know that many of their plans (generous pensions for government employees, etc.) don't really work in the long run, but as Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead. You just keep patching things up and when your patch fails you patch the patch. So the timeline is, S. Ct. bans race based AA in say 5 years. Colleges switch to plan B - "race neutral adversity score". Lawsuits over this begin immediately but it takes ANOTHER 3 or 4 years for those cases to work their way thru trial and the appeals process and make it to the S. Ct. So the current system of race preference has been preserved for another 8 or 9 years - not a small thing in itself.

    Maybe it's 50/50 that adversity score passes muster with the Court at that point - maybe Roberts continues to drift left. Maybe the White House has changed hands by then and Clarence Thomas has a heart attack (he ain't gettin' any younger) and is replaced by Justice Ocasio-Cortez. Maybe, in the interest of diversity, Speaker Omar decides that the S. Ct. should be increased from 9 to 13 justices. Having a plan B teed up that is good for at least another few years and maybe stands a chance of passing muster for the long run is a lot better than being empty handed when the S. Ct. pulls the plug on the current system. You really have to hand it to them for doing this kind of long term advance planning.
    , @International Jew
    Isn't this socioeconomic index thing going to hurt the talented tenth? And the talented tenth is precisely the group of blacks that colleges most prize.
  42. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Here are some strategies that I’ve come up with in about two minutes for affluent, functional families to game this:

    1) Right before the kid’s Senior year of high school, the parents get a quick no-contest divorce with no-contest custody for the parent who has the lower income. There are probably adversity points for ‘single mom’ already, but in addition to that the kid can be listed as residing with the parent who has the lower income. Boom, family income cut by more than half. Then after college acceptances come out mom and dad can go down to the courthouse and get remarried.

    2) If the kid attends a magnet school in a sizable district, family rents out the cheapest apartment in the worst neighborhood within the district for senior year. That address is listed as the student’s home address. The family only needs to actually go there (or pay someone to go there) a few times in the whole year, just to pick up the mail, which will probably consist primarily of acceptance letters, and financial aid offers more than sufficient to offset the cost of renting the apartment for one year. A variant of this that would be even cheaper would be to pay a locally residing family $50 a month or something to just get the mail and put acceptance letters and the occasional mail from the high school aside, with the promise that if they faithfully did it they would be recommended to another affluent family for the following year.

    3) Parents’ educational attainment is probably a negative adversity factor. Dad has a PhD in computer science? No problem. Right before Senior year of high school mom sends kid a certified mail letter stating that she has been withholding a horrible secret from him all these years and junior’s real biological dad is a drug dealer she had a brief fling with. The kid is just going with the best official information he has when he lists his father as being a deceased drug dealer with not even a high school diploma. But somehow after acceptances roll in PhD dad has determined to ‘man up’ and stay with the family, and he’s there grinning when junior graduates with a 4.0 average BS in comp sci paid for with a full ride.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I like the way you think, #105. I will say, though, that it's not like these colleges have time to check all this stuff out. Get a P.O. box for the kid who is "down and out living on skid row", and make up the rest as you see fit. He can answer his cell phone.

    Write a computer program to come up with this stuff. Paging Ron Unz! Your skills from your math/computer work in the finance industry could be very useful. The challenging part would be making a program that analyses the admittance levels of students as compared to their adversity factors obtained from ex-Animal-House types who've roamed through the dumpsters behind the admissions office. We'd need a LOT of data to get to the formula and weight factors.

    Then, the program can churn out all sorts of points for parents to emphasize, but more important than anything, make sure your kid doesn't dress right. Guys must dress like pimps, and girls like sluts. Go to the "tube" for this stuff.

    BTW, if the kid is "found out" in his freshman year, the school can't prove anything, without the discovery process that will negate the need for further dumpster-diving by the Animal House alumni.
  43. @Steve Sailer
    I didn't realize You Shook Me All Night Long started out as a Muddy Waters song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM91Fyh58Jc

    and then a Led Zeppelin song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS1Tz6dzcjU

    But, wow, AC-DC's version is much better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoXkMZvD5Q

    There must be a million renditions in ode to original.

    I hold to this day to the original:

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    To the greatest against the grain wins of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPUx96S8ByE
  44. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

     

    I'll bet they did. Can't have poor ruralites take any places set aside for for the urbanicious.

    I’ll bet at least a half dozen African American teens are named Urbanicious. Or maybe Ur’banishess.

  45. @Hodag
    The NY Times misrepresents the Chicago system. The city is broken into 4 Tiers based on socio-economic factors. Tier 1 contains lots of weave shops and Tier 4 contains Stuff White People Like. Selective enrollment high schools take 1/4 of their classes from each Tier.

    Admission is based upon seventh grade grades, the NWEA/MAP test (created to measure academic progress - it is a computer based test that feeds you harder and harder questions until the kid reaches something they don't know - my kid in 3d grade started crying when I asked them about the test and they said there is not supposed to be letters in math..they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders). Finally, there is an admission test.

    So Tier 4 is hyper competitive for a few high schools. In essence you need straight A's and 99.5% on the two tests. There is a real step down in the lower Tiers. There are even some programs that let you start high school in 7th grade and the last 2 years are nothing but AP courses and college courses given by Loyola and U of Chicago, given for a nominal fee, a real bargain.

    my kid in 3d grade started crying when I asked them about the test and they said there is not supposed to be letters in math..

    Been exactly there, but my own curiousity was the culprit. The tears didn’t come until the calculus book and the curvy symbols and italics set me right off.

    Nowadays it’s the numbers in literature classes (informational texts!) that get me more exercised.

  46. @Jack D
    Yes, this is clearly the fallback plan for when the S. Ct. bans race based AA. They just have to pray that "disparate impact" doesn't work in reverse because they are clearly desperately trying (short of including purple drank consumption in their formula although who knows since they won't release all the factors) to get the "adversity score" to correlate with melanin. As I have mentioned in other threads, if you were say an evil insurance company and came up with a "race neutral" adversity score (using the same exact factors) so you could avoid giving car insurance to black people, the government would see through it in a NY minute. But in reverse, our wise men suddenly get all obtuse.

    Thinking about this further, the Leftist playbook is always “kick the can down the road”. They know that many of their plans (generous pensions for government employees, etc.) don’t really work in the long run, but as Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead. You just keep patching things up and when your patch fails you patch the patch. So the timeline is, S. Ct. bans race based AA in say 5 years. Colleges switch to plan B – “race neutral adversity score”. Lawsuits over this begin immediately but it takes ANOTHER 3 or 4 years for those cases to work their way thru trial and the appeals process and make it to the S. Ct. So the current system of race preference has been preserved for another 8 or 9 years – not a small thing in itself.

    Maybe it’s 50/50 that adversity score passes muster with the Court at that point – maybe Roberts continues to drift left. Maybe the White House has changed hands by then and Clarence Thomas has a heart attack (he ain’t gettin’ any younger) and is replaced by Justice Ocasio-Cortez. Maybe, in the interest of diversity, Speaker Omar decides that the S. Ct. should be increased from 9 to 13 justices. Having a plan B teed up that is good for at least another few years and maybe stands a chance of passing muster for the long run is a lot better than being empty handed when the S. Ct. pulls the plug on the current system. You really have to hand it to them for doing this kind of long term advance planning.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  47. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ms. Betterton said the company had tweaked the formula after feedback from colleges: It had added, for instance, a stronger measure of “urbanicity and rurality.”

     

    I'll bet they did. Can't have poor ruralites take any places set aside for for the urbanicious.

    Only a Ms. could be that clueless. Of course they’re doing that, it’s the whole point, but to say it out loud…

  48. @Hodag
    The NY Times misrepresents the Chicago system. The city is broken into 4 Tiers based on socio-economic factors. Tier 1 contains lots of weave shops and Tier 4 contains Stuff White People Like. Selective enrollment high schools take 1/4 of their classes from each Tier.

    Admission is based upon seventh grade grades, the NWEA/MAP test (created to measure academic progress - it is a computer based test that feeds you harder and harder questions until the kid reaches something they don't know - my kid in 3d grade started crying when I asked them about the test and they said there is not supposed to be letters in math..they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders). Finally, there is an admission test.

    So Tier 4 is hyper competitive for a few high schools. In essence you need straight A's and 99.5% on the two tests. There is a real step down in the lower Tiers. There are even some programs that let you start high school in 7th grade and the last 2 years are nothing but AP courses and college courses given by Loyola and U of Chicago, given for a nominal fee, a real bargain.

    they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders

    It doesn’t make sense that they would put questions on the test that NO 3rd grader would ever get right – some % must know it if the test is to separate the men from the boys. Either some kids have been reading Older Brother’s algebra book or some 3rd graders are smart enough to infer on the spot that in the case of 3+x = 5, x is intended to refer to some unknown number.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We were doing (basic) Algebra in 4th grade gifted class in 1979. Suburban Cincinnati public.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack, I wrote a blog post about how modern "standardized" tests work these days, with the example of a family member's nursing board test: Computerized Testing - Pros and Cons. I did not realize they were doing this to the little ones now, but that sounds like the case from Hodag's experience.

    In the Nursing Boards, if you answer medium-level questions correctly, you get harder and harder ones. The more of those you get wrong, the more easier ones you start getting. Here's the really f__ked-up stuff: You can get so many right that the test just ends (but keep in mind you don't know if you got them right, unless they were the EASY ones, right?). It ends early if you did very well, but it can also end early if you are doing very badly. Then, if you do finish, the last bunch of questions can save you from failing if you nail a whole bunch near the end.

    No, you can't look back at other questions, you can't mark ones for a further look, and go back later when you have more time. All that strategy stuff goes AWAY COMPLETELY, Jack. Now, I think that's the point, and I understand making a test for which frequent, competent test-takers have no advantage. However, I would HATE HATE HATE taking a test like that. It's damn demoralizing not knowing where you stand.

    Oh, yeah, you have to pay extra bucks to get the results within a coupla' days, rather than 3 weeks, like the ENIAC will have to crunch these numbers for that long! What a scam.
  49. “urbanicity and rurality.”

    Oswald Bates lol

  50. @IHTG
    BTW aren't there plenty of rural blacks in the American South?

    If you think this is about blacks you haven’t been paying attention.

  51. @Steve Sailer
    David Coleman sold Bill Gates on Common Core.

    More likely Melinda.

  52. Seems like the biggest beneficiaries of this will be gentrifiers. People who moved to the place that was recently a ghetto and are sprucing the place up for investment purposes. Some percentage of gebtrifiers do send their kids to the local public school, which eventually makes the school better, but for a little while it’s just a bad school with a pocket of gentrifying children.

    The biggest losers will be African immigrant children and middle class blacks who don’t live in ghettos. Middle class African Americans still have low sat scores so showing that they face minimal adversity won’t do them any favors.

    Also, how does the college board know if your parents are married or how much they make? Seems really easy to just fill out bubbles with lies. Here the winners are competitive families who will be willing to provide wrong data.

  53. The original purpose of the SAT was information laundering— allowing employers to use attendance at a selective college as a proxy for intelligence that they were no longer allowed to directly measure with aptitude tests that had a disparate impact. As American society continues its evolution to a post-competent era, the function of the SAT stays the same, laundering racial information for diversocrats.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Please provide a cite; I believe you're wrong. College Boards, the original name of the SAT, were meant to make college admission more meritocratic. They began 10-20 years before Griggs vs. Duke Power.
  54. Abe says:

    Asian-Americans will find a way to game this of course, God bless ‘em. Remember the episode of KING OF THE HILL where Khan gets tired of the pressures of the rat race and snaps- embracing a carefree redneck existence for a month which happily lets Connie play the adversity angle and get into an exclusive college prep summer camp because her parents are no longer making her do her homework or even bothering to pay to keep the lights on?

    https://kingofthehill.fandom.com/wiki/The_Redneck_on_Rainey_Street

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kingofthehill/images/3/34/92979.png/revision/latest

    We’re all living in Mike Judge’s world (especially IDIOCRACY), just several decades behind.

    • Replies: @Abe
    https://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/king-of-the-hill-season-8-episode-21-the-redneck-on-rainey-street.jpg
  55. @Jack D

    they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders
     
    It doesn't make sense that they would put questions on the test that NO 3rd grader would ever get right - some % must know it if the test is to separate the men from the boys. Either some kids have been reading Older Brother's algebra book or some 3rd graders are smart enough to infer on the spot that in the case of 3+x = 5, x is intended to refer to some unknown number.

    We were doing (basic) Algebra in 4th grade gifted class in 1979. Suburban Cincinnati public.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    In the mid 1960s, Zig Engelmann spent two years, 20 minutes a day teaching black "at-risk" four and five year olds "addition, subtraction, multiplication, division problems, basic algebra problems, fraction problems, area problems, factoring, and simple simultaneous equations".

    The basic algebra starts at 14:30 in the video.

    http://www.zigsite.com/video/zig_math_video.html
  56. Absolutely, this SAT Adversity Index is ridiculous.

    Now, on to NOTICING.

    “In other words, they are looking for a magic way to continue to impose racial preferences without preferring race, just by obvious proxies for race…You know what would predict SAT scores really accurately? Percentage of soda sales in a zip code’s shops that were grape-flavored.”

    Similar to how Caucasian-owned Coca-Cola, for example, exploited the resources of developing countries for their own kind.

    https://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2010/03/11/coca-cola-in-india-good-till-t

    Perhaps Coca-Cola was paying tribute to its past, when it conveniently downplayed the black market for decades. Although, Pepsi was considered soda for the darkies. Duke Ellington was Pepsi’s spokesperson. African-American salesmen were hired to cover northern urban areas and the Southern Black Belt. The company even had special proof of purchase deals in stores that blacks frequented!

    Of course, who can forget the marketing stance, based squarely on social standing, by Mountain Dew, who poked fun of Appalachians with their mascot”Willy the Hillbilly”. Then there was Tab in the 1970’s, which was specifically marketed to (shapely white) females, and Sprite, who catered to inner city youth. More recently, there was Dr. Pepper 10, a diet soda for “masculine men”.

    Thanks, Mr. Sailer, for instigating a stroll down memory lane!

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Please ignore Corvinus, he's generically ignorant. I'm supposed to think of it as my equal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEnNEIVR9EM

  57. @Steve Sailer
    I didn't realize You Shook Me All Night Long started out as a Muddy Waters song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM91Fyh58Jc

    and then a Led Zeppelin song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS1Tz6dzcjU

    But, wow, AC-DC's version is much better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoXkMZvD5Q

    Is there an album rock song that didn’t come from Muddy Waters?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    A few were stolen from Robert Johnson.
  58. @Abe
    Asian-Americans will find a way to game this of course, God bless ‘em. Remember the episode of KING OF THE HILL where Khan gets tired of the pressures of the rat race and snaps- embracing a carefree redneck existence for a month which happily lets Connie play the adversity angle and get into an exclusive college prep summer camp because her parents are no longer making her do her homework or even bothering to pay to keep the lights on?

    https://kingofthehill.fandom.com/wiki/The_Redneck_on_Rainey_Street

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kingofthehill/images/3/34/92979.png/revision/latest

    We’re all living in Mike Judge’s world (especially IDIOCRACY), just several decades behind.

  59. @Pat Hannagan
    Btw, just like the dispute over the authorship of Shakespeare is a much disputed realm of academia so is the much disputed authorship of the lyrics and intent of Back in Black.

    Personally, I think Malcolm took ownership of what Bon Scott had already developed. This album is a middle point in the band's career not only in album sales but also in lyrical and musical style.

    Half the album is full of great whit and the other set to majestic un-reconstructed-unapologetic reptitious mysogniostic Australiana.

    Giving the Dog a Bone is pure Malcolm Young. You have to age-accept on youtube to listen today otherwise you can't listen.

    On the other hand You Shook Me All Night Long is pure Bon Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4

    If Bon Scott had lived we wouldn’t be in this mess. Half the T-level drop is due to his absence alone.

  60. @Pat Hannagan
    There must be a million renditions in ode to original.


    I hold to this day to the original:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2KZ2PWwQyQ

    To the greatest against the grain wins of all time:

  61. Numerous studies available on the Interweb have shown that whites from families in the lowest income/wealth quintile routinely academically outperform blacks from families in the highest wealth/income quintile.

  62. Off topic but iStevey:
    NYT op-ed about how the Dems no longer need to give a shit about white men.

    Does Anyone Actually Want Joe Biden to Be President?
    What ‘electability’ seems to mean in 2020 — and what it meant in 2018.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/opinion/joe-biden-president.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

  63. @Desiderius
    Is there an album rock song that didn’t come from Muddy Waters?

    A few were stolen from Robert Johnson.

  64. If I’m reading this right the total possible adversity swing is 200 points, which is the rough size of the black-white score gap. But since not all blacks are that disadvantaged and not all whites are that advantaged, the adjustment won’t close the gap. Put another way, even if you assume that the causal relationship between environment and aptitude is entirely one way, blacks still underperform compared to whites. That’s why the Woke are still complaining.

    Funny note in light of the adjoining thread about baseball: wins above replacement (WAR) is supposed to incorporate all measures (OBA, slugging, fielding percentage, etc.) of a player’s performance (including the park he plays in) and capture exactly how good he is with a single number. In a sense that’s what they’re (ostensibly) trying to do with the Adversity Adjustment.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The Adversity Score will range from 1 to 100. If they want to just add it to your SAT they are going to have to double or triple it. I call such a composite score the Adversity Score SAT or ASS.
  65. @Ed

    Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.

    The district uses a complex formula that analyzes the city’s census tracts for six factors: median family income, percentage of single-parent households, adult education level, percentage of owner-occupied homes, percentage of households in which English is not the first language and achievement scores of neighborhood schools for students living in the census tract.
     
    Over the years I’ve seen the media refer to how great Chicago’s elite public schools are at diversity. What I haven’t seen over the years is how well their special admits are doing.

    The schools aren’t diverse. There are 11 selective high schools in Chicago and whites and Asians only want to attend five. Of the other six schools, one is 95% Hispanic and five are majority black. Two of the black schools have had average ACT scores that were lower than the city-wide average for Chicago Public Schools.

    There are only 400,000 students in Chicago Public Schools, compared to 1.1 million in New York City. But Chicago has almost the same amount of seats for its elite exam schools (about 14,000) as does New York City (about 15,000).

    CPS is only 10% white and 4% Asian.

    The elite CPS schools are “selective”, not “specialized” like NYC. So the kids in Chicago are able to find their niche and do fine, unlike the STEM pressure cooker in NYC.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Wow, I learn a lot in these comment threads. One thing — a colleague of mine (Jewish) had a daughter attend Stuyvesant, and she loved it. Didn’t find it a pressure-cooker at all, even though it was already 50% Asian. Very counterintuitive, and maybe she’s just unusual. But I think some of the evidence that the NYC selective schools are pressure cookers comes from interviewing the few NAMs who attend them. For those students, I’m sure it is a pressure-cooker.
  66. @Almost Missouri
    Suggestions 1 - 3 would probably increase productivity in a lot of organizations. They may reduce Toxic Wokeness more just by driving out the unproductive parasites than by any specific anti-woke antibodies. Not that I oppose anyone adopting them. Indeed a lot of them would have been considered normal in the pre-tech era.

    For most organizations, it is probably easier and cheaper to practice anti-wokeness as a preventive, prophylactic measure than to try to recover already infected orgs from their deeply pozzed state.

    Deeply pozzed orgs are probably best just put down, building new, purified orgs around any staff who proved immune to the poz virus. The only cases where it is probably worth the effort of recovering severely afflicted patients is where the org is fixed in place by law (e.g., government agencies), where it enjoys unassailable reputational advantage (e.g., Harvard U), or where it enjoys an undislodgeable situational advantage (e.g., Facebook's vast embedded network effect monopoly).

    As always in these times, the key to successfully de-pozzing anything is acting as the antiObama: presenting every step of the process in a mild, boring, non-controversial way, using soothing language and buzzwords. Dress, behave and appear as a conventional current year citizen. No bombasticness allowed! (One of my favorite hobbies, alas!)

    “Whatever happened to running away and joining the circus?”

    I’m sorry, A.M., I tried to find the clip of Martin Mull and movie wife rescuing their daughter from the cult house in San. Francisco, with the help from the gay motorcycle gang.

    Cultists (as the motorcyclists tear-ass through the house raising hell): “We love you, man!”
    Gay motorcyclist: “Yeah, prove it.”

  67. @Jack D
    Yes, this is clearly the fallback plan for when the S. Ct. bans race based AA. They just have to pray that "disparate impact" doesn't work in reverse because they are clearly desperately trying (short of including purple drank consumption in their formula although who knows since they won't release all the factors) to get the "adversity score" to correlate with melanin. As I have mentioned in other threads, if you were say an evil insurance company and came up with a "race neutral" adversity score (using the same exact factors) so you could avoid giving car insurance to black people, the government would see through it in a NY minute. But in reverse, our wise men suddenly get all obtuse.

    Isn’t this socioeconomic index thing going to hurt the talented tenth? And the talented tenth is precisely the group of blacks that colleges most prize.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They’ll just weight urbanicity the requisite amount.

    Although with the SJW headaches the (not) talented (enough) tenth has been giving them due to mismatch anxiety maybe they’re pivoting to the actually disadvantaged in hopes they’ll be more appreciative of the shot.
  68. “It came from requests from our members, a good number of whom work in states that prohibit the use of race in admissions,”

    So basically taxpayer-paid administrators at taxpayer-funded colleges in states where race-based admissions are illegal are enlisting the College Board to help them break state law.

  69. @anonymous
    Here are some strategies that I've come up with in about two minutes for affluent, functional families to game this:

    1) Right before the kid's Senior year of high school, the parents get a quick no-contest divorce with no-contest custody for the parent who has the lower income. There are probably adversity points for 'single mom' already, but in addition to that the kid can be listed as residing with the parent who has the lower income. Boom, family income cut by more than half. Then after college acceptances come out mom and dad can go down to the courthouse and get remarried.

    2) If the kid attends a magnet school in a sizable district, family rents out the cheapest apartment in the worst neighborhood within the district for senior year. That address is listed as the student's home address. The family only needs to actually go there (or pay someone to go there) a few times in the whole year, just to pick up the mail, which will probably consist primarily of acceptance letters, and financial aid offers more than sufficient to offset the cost of renting the apartment for one year. A variant of this that would be even cheaper would be to pay a locally residing family $50 a month or something to just get the mail and put acceptance letters and the occasional mail from the high school aside, with the promise that if they faithfully did it they would be recommended to another affluent family for the following year.

    3) Parents' educational attainment is probably a negative adversity factor. Dad has a PhD in computer science? No problem. Right before Senior year of high school mom sends kid a certified mail letter stating that she has been withholding a horrible secret from him all these years and junior's real biological dad is a drug dealer she had a brief fling with. The kid is just going with the best official information he has when he lists his father as being a deceased drug dealer with not even a high school diploma. But somehow after acceptances roll in PhD dad has determined to 'man up' and stay with the family, and he's there grinning when junior graduates with a 4.0 average BS in comp sci paid for with a full ride.

    I like the way you think, #105. I will say, though, that it’s not like these colleges have time to check all this stuff out. Get a P.O. box for the kid who is “down and out living on skid row”, and make up the rest as you see fit. He can answer his cell phone.

    Write a computer program to come up with this stuff. Paging Ron Unz! Your skills from your math/computer work in the finance industry could be very useful. The challenging part would be making a program that analyses the admittance levels of students as compared to their adversity factors obtained from ex-Animal-House types who’ve roamed through the dumpsters behind the admissions office. We’d need a LOT of data to get to the formula and weight factors.

    Then, the program can churn out all sorts of points for parents to emphasize, but more important than anything, make sure your kid doesn’t dress right. Guys must dress like pimps, and girls like sluts. Go to the “tube” for this stuff.

    BTW, if the kid is “found out” in his freshman year, the school can’t prove anything, without the discovery process that will negate the need for further dumpster-diving by the Animal House alumni.

  70. @Triumph104
    The schools aren't diverse. There are 11 selective high schools in Chicago and whites and Asians only want to attend five. Of the other six schools, one is 95% Hispanic and five are majority black. Two of the black schools have had average ACT scores that were lower than the city-wide average for Chicago Public Schools.

    There are only 400,000 students in Chicago Public Schools, compared to 1.1 million in New York City. But Chicago has almost the same amount of seats for its elite exam schools (about 14,000) as does New York City (about 15,000).

    CPS is only 10% white and 4% Asian.

    The elite CPS schools are "selective", not "specialized" like NYC. So the kids in Chicago are able to find their niche and do fine, unlike the STEM pressure cooker in NYC.

    Wow, I learn a lot in these comment threads. One thing — a colleague of mine (Jewish) had a daughter attend Stuyvesant, and she loved it. Didn’t find it a pressure-cooker at all, even though it was already 50% Asian. Very counterintuitive, and maybe she’s just unusual. But I think some of the evidence that the NYC selective schools are pressure cookers comes from interviewing the few NAMs who attend them. For those students, I’m sure it is a pressure-cooker.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    One person's pressure cooker is another person's dream school - a school in which the pace actually matches their level of energy and intelligence. The same thing happens in athletics, music, etc.. If you can't play at that level, pro (even minor league) baseball is a nightmare - the pitches come across the plate at 100 mph - you can't even see them coming. But if you are in the groove, you're hitting them out of the park and it's better than drugs.

    The lesson is that you have to match with your school. There's no best school for everyone and for most NAMs the worst thing that could happen to them would be to put in a place where they are in over their head. On paper, all the leftists want to fill Stuyvesant with a bunch of NAMS but on an individual level they are doing those kids no favor.
    , @Triumph104
    January 27, 2018

    Five years after a nationally publicized cheating scandal led to the principal’s ouster and the suspension of a dozen kids, academic dishonesty is rampant at the city’s educational crown jewel, students say. ...

    A survey by the student newspaper, The Spectator, found a stunning 83 percent of 329 responding students admitted they cheated at the elite institution.

    “We all are just helping each other out. Stuyvesant breeds a culture of cheating, and you’re honestly stupid to not take advantage of it,” one student told The Spectator.

    Cheating is most common among students in their third year, the most academically challenging because the grades count heavily on college applications, the December survey found. A whopping 97 percent of juniors said they had engaged in academic dishonesty, while 56 percent of freshman said they had already cheated after just four months in the school.

    Students interviewed outside the downtown school last week weren’t surprised by the survey results.

    “This school has a competitive environment, so some kids feel like they have to [cheat] in order to succeed,” Qiu said. “There is this bar. You are always trying to be on top, to be the best.”

    “For some people, the pressure can be so much that they’ll take the risk even a second or third time after being caught cheating,” said junior Rafsan Zaman, 17.
     
    https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/cheating-still-rampant-at-disgraced-stuyvesant-school/
    , @Triumph104
    April 6, 2019

    Cheating remains a plague at Stuyvesant High School, where some parents will “do anything” to help their kids get ahead, according to a teacher who spoke out amid another academic dishonesty scandal at the elite high school.

    “There is always cheating going on. It’s a huge issue,” said the English teacher, who spoke to The Post on condition of anonymity. “The competition is so cutthroat. They are all trying to get into Harvard and MIT.

    “Some kids — and their parents — will go to any lengths to get the high grades.” ...

    Some parents at Stuyvesant also play hardball, the instructor said.

    “The school will kowtow to parents,” the teacher said. “If you have a really pushy parent who will lie and is prepared to stand up to the principal, the student might be given a second chance.”

    Money makes a difference.

    “We have a lot of rich kids and a lot of poor kids. The rich kids, both parents don’t work. They speak English at home, and the poorer kids, the parent doesn’t have the time to come in and fight for them, and they don’t have the money to buy an essay,” the teacher said. …

    In the recent plagiarism incident, a student was caught “soliciting an essay in exchange for money,” English teacher Minkyu Kim told The Spectator. “Through investigating . . . it became clear to us that this was not just one person to another.”
     

    https://nypost.com/2019/04/06/cheating-remains-huge-issue-at-elite-stuyvesant-high-school/
  71. @Corvinus
    Absolutely, this SAT Adversity Index is ridiculous.

    Now, on to NOTICING.

    "In other words, they are looking for a magic way to continue to impose racial preferences without preferring race, just by obvious proxies for race...You know what would predict SAT scores really accurately? Percentage of soda sales in a zip code’s shops that were grape-flavored."

    Similar to how Caucasian-owned Coca-Cola, for example, exploited the resources of developing countries for their own kind.

    https://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2010/03/11/coca-cola-in-india-good-till-t

    Perhaps Coca-Cola was paying tribute to its past, when it conveniently downplayed the black market for decades. Although, Pepsi was considered soda for the darkies. Duke Ellington was Pepsi's spokesperson. African-American salesmen were hired to cover northern urban areas and the Southern Black Belt. The company even had special proof of purchase deals in stores that blacks frequented!

    Of course, who can forget the marketing stance, based squarely on social standing, by Mountain Dew, who poked fun of Appalachians with their mascot"Willy the Hillbilly". Then there was Tab in the 1970's, which was specifically marketed to (shapely white) females, and Sprite, who catered to inner city youth. More recently, there was Dr. Pepper 10, a diet soda for "masculine men".

    Thanks, Mr. Sailer, for instigating a stroll down memory lane!

    Please ignore Corvinus, he’s generically ignorant. I’m supposed to think of it as my equal.

  72. @Jack D

    they ran into algebra which they do not teach 3d graders
     
    It doesn't make sense that they would put questions on the test that NO 3rd grader would ever get right - some % must know it if the test is to separate the men from the boys. Either some kids have been reading Older Brother's algebra book or some 3rd graders are smart enough to infer on the spot that in the case of 3+x = 5, x is intended to refer to some unknown number.

    Jack, I wrote a blog post about how modern “standardized” tests work these days, with the example of a family member’s nursing board test: Computerized Testing – Pros and Cons. I did not realize they were doing this to the little ones now, but that sounds like the case from Hodag’s experience.

    In the Nursing Boards, if you answer medium-level questions correctly, you get harder and harder ones. The more of those you get wrong, the more easier ones you start getting. Here’s the really f__ked-up stuff: You can get so many right that the test just ends (but keep in mind you don’t know if you got them right, unless they were the EASY ones, right?). It ends early if you did very well, but it can also end early if you are doing very badly. Then, if you do finish, the last bunch of questions can save you from failing if you nail a whole bunch near the end.

    No, you can’t look back at other questions, you can’t mark ones for a further look, and go back later when you have more time. All that strategy stuff goes AWAY COMPLETELY, Jack. Now, I think that’s the point, and I understand making a test for which frequent, competent test-takers have no advantage. However, I would HATE HATE HATE taking a test like that. It’s damn demoralizing not knowing where you stand.

    Oh, yeah, you have to pay extra bucks to get the results within a coupla’ days, rather than 3 weeks, like the ENIAC will have to crunch these numbers for that long! What a scam.

  73. @Desiderius
    We were doing (basic) Algebra in 4th grade gifted class in 1979. Suburban Cincinnati public.

    In the mid 1960s, Zig Engelmann spent two years, 20 minutes a day teaching black “at-risk” four and five year olds “addition, subtraction, multiplication, division problems, basic algebra problems, fraction problems, area problems, factoring, and simple simultaneous equations”.

    The basic algebra starts at 14:30 in the video.

    http://www.zigsite.com/video/zig_math_video.html

  74. Still, seems so unreal to me

  75. Once this is in place, it will be time to invoke the disparate impact lawsuits, as it’s obvious all these indirect ways of determining an applicant’s race will have a disparate negative impact on whites and asians.

  76. A few questions:

    At what point in the new scoring does the adversity factor override academic performance?

    Does this mean that accomplished white kids from rural America will finally get a chance to go to Harvard or Yale in place of recent immigrants from Nigeria … or, black and Hispanic non-high school graduates from the “hood”?

    Will universities that accept students based on adversity factors also normalize grading to recognize that “D” performances from “students of adversity”, for example, are really “A” students in this alternative universe … and award them the higher grades in the name of equity and social justice?

    Will law schools, medical schools, engineering schools, flight schools, and technical institutes also base admission and grading on adversity factors? What impacts might this have on society … or, said another way, will adversity admissions and grading only apply to programs such as Black Studies, Woman’s Studies, Hispanic Studies, and LGBTxyz Studies?

    If the latter, then adversity admissions and adversity grading are already in place and doing the expected damage to university reputations and students’ lives; that is, in their graduates being unemployable outside of the Social Justice Warrior System (SJWS).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    None of the above. As has been discussed, the Adversity Score is a fallback in case the S. Ct. prohibits explicitly race based AA. The plan is to continue to (for example in the case of Harvard) accept black students equal to 15% of the total even though the student body would only be 2% black if race (cough, adversity) wasn't taken into account. The plan is to manipulate the AS to filter out rural whites, Asian, etc. - only "urban" (cough black and Latin0) poor will be considered to suffer from adversity. They will keep tweaking the secret factors until they are able to approximate the results of the current race based system, hopefully without breaking the law because the AS is (supposedly) not based on race (only on obvious proxies for race). It will take years for the new lawsuits to wend their way thru the courts and the secret factors and weights have to be revealed in discovery. If all goes well, nothing has to change once the court rules against AA - business as usual will continue.
  77. Watching a lot of C-SPAN over the decades, I have heard a lot of lengthy interviews with the likes of Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas. There was not much talk about their personal lives. It was mostly about the subjects they mastered and their work experiences. Any talk about their personal lives focused on the advantages: the strong male figures in their lives, Thomas’ grandfather & Rice’s father. I doubt that any of them needed the Adversity Privilege. Or maybe, adversity is a good vocabulary / analogies builder for the verbal portion of the SAT. Maybe, counting something other than instances of racism in a PC country is a better math-prep strategy.

    I happen to know that, even on far less prestigious campuses than these race-hamstrung public figures attended, administrators and committees of faculty members applied racial preferences even back in the Eighties, with Adversity points added to the tests of minority scholarship applicants.

  78. Nobody loves you when you’re down and out
    Nobody sees you when you’re on cloud nine
    Everybody’s hustlin’ for a buck and a dime
    I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine

    Well I get up in the morning and I’m looking in the mirror to see, ooo wee!
    Then I’m lying in the darkness and I know I can’t get to sleep, ooo wee!

  79. @Anon
    How many people Googled "Anemona Hartocollis" and stared at her photo for 20 seconds thinking "Does she identify as black?" It's gotten such that you really don't know whether that clearly white writer is actually not white.

    -----

    I thing that the problem that admissions offices are running into is the same problem that primary and secondary schools are running into: "There are not enough ______." There are not enough white kids to desegregate schools. And there are not enough black kids to recruit for your college who are not going to have major mismatch issues and create a dropout or graduation rate nightmare, or de-legitimatize your institution's reputation after they are "mentored" through to graduation. The solution for universities seems to be to import smart black immigrants, or to focus on white people who "identify as black" because they have a half African ancestry grandparent.

    Zhir is quite mannish, never mind race.

    Among the photographs accosting my eyes during this exercise was one of Esther Wojcicki (perhaps zhir’s mate?), and…hoo, boy!

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    The “Boys” sign is twice the size of the “Girls” sign. This egregious microaggression must be avenged. I smell a lawsuit...
  80. @Anon
    OT

    I ran across this tweet and found it interesting:

    https://twitter.com/ExcludedMuddle/status/1129578230581682176

    The only place that I could imagine that this could happen would be in a smaller, closely held family business. The conspiracy aspects of doing something like this in secret are not realistic.

    Also, "There are not enough unwoke college graduates" to staff a big companay.

    Once it leaked out that a CEO, with board approval, had such a project in mind, there would be boycotts and discrimination lawsuits (some legally protected classes are almost by definition woke).

    But the idea of a boutique management consultancy trying to develop such a plan is thought-provoking. Consultants generally will dive into an organization and ask a lot of questions. They are generally 20 something elite college grads, and are not trusted. They have to ask very specific questions, "What did you work on yesterday, say in 15 minute chunks?" A dewoker consultant would have to figure out a way to tease out employee wokeness and activism proclivities without giving away the game, and the unwoke will be very careful to not reveal that.

    Attacking HR first is a great idea. As for execs, a sudden emphasis on an anti-age discrimination program might help: Call back companay alumni. Maybe conspire on a fake lawsuit that you could "settle" by agreeing to replace your management team with oldsters.

    Is there a woke equivalent of the black-repellent baroque harpsichord music used by retail shops?

    Maybe force people to identify themselves by having taco-bowl days in the lunchroom with free mini sombreros, and then apologize while taking names down.

    Here are three things that would shut down a lot of woke nonsense;

    1. No phones in the office. Physically. Not a requirement that you have to turn off the phone. A prohibition of physically having the object with you. If the young'uns think they need to be in touch with their kids' schools, or their mom's doctor, or whatever, set the rules for what kind of contacts are allowed, and require incoming calls to be routed to a central office that vets them and has pre-registered information about kids and moms and authorized contactees.

    2. No personal internet use in the office. The internet is so wound with work, but I don't think this is an insoluble problem. Treat employees "like children." "You're treating us like children!" "Yes, we are." Filter sites. Have a big stock ticker showing URLs being used. Have monitors in the office showing websites being used. For a media organization, divide up the work and have only some people doing online research, which will be done according to a plan, and which will be memorialized and subject to a post mortum. Ban stories based on Twitter, social media, Change.org petitions, and the like. Have writers draft FOIA requests instead.

    3. No intra company messaging system like Slack. Pick up the voice phone line or walk over to someone's desk. Have standing meetings next to printing whiteboards.

    I think that when you get people offline their brains will reset to a more sane state.


    ToxicCentrism
    ‏ @ExcludedMuddle

    I wonder if the major consultancies have quietly been tasked with developing “de-wokeing” strategies for orgs. I figure it would take 2 years for a large org, starting by purging HR of the activists and sympathizers, then any execs, and finally onboarding replacements for IC’s.

    7:43 PM - 17 May 2019
     

    Alright, damn it: Who gave ToxicCentrism the keys to the Corporate Bullshit Generator again? You all have been told to keep him away from it!

    Woke orgs, pelgranes, execs, grues, sandestins, ics, and wormingers – fanciful, imaginary things from a master of speculative fiction, or another inscrutable memorandum from some bitch in Personnel? We asked one hundred people, and you won’t want to miss their answers….

  81. OK. So I happen to like grape soda, my preferred cigarette is Camel Wides Light Menthol, and I live in a pretty diverse, lower socio-economic Vegas neighborhood.
    At 58, I’m considering retaking the SATs. Things are looking up!

  82. Percentage of soda sales in a zip code’s shops that were grape-flavored. Also, percentage of cigarettes sold that are menthol.
    You forgot about malt liquor sales.

  83. Colleges and Universities could save time and money by just placing ads on buses and subways…”Wanted black students to fill out quotas. Call 1 800 UBE WOKE to apply.”

  84. Anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Used fairly, this shouldn’t favor one race over another.

    Surely, there are many whites with stories of broken homes, low income, and opioid addiction. Why should such an applicant be disadvantaged vis-a-vis middle class blacks?

  85. @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    It appears that whites are the most harmed by this. Asians are relatively less harmed. As you move toward higher levels of preference, the ratio of Asians to whites increases. There are nearly equal numbers of whites and Asians in the most privileged deciles.

    This is engineered to hurt whites. Low crime rates in poor white rural areas are one way. Poor Asians often live in big cities with large numbers of low functioning NAM’s. The Asians students will get a boost for that.

  86. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    They already know if you’re from a rural, white working class background, and there is some effort to admit those applicants via “geographic diversity”. But there’s no indication that this latest effort is an attempt to increase such “geographic diversity”. It appears the way for them to game the system would be to move to inner cities and pretend to be black.

  87. The perp of a drive-by shooting at the funeral of an aspiring black rapper earns how many Adversity points for urbanacious initiative?

  88. Let’s just make the Ivy League 100% black and get it over with.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    It seems like the plan would result more less qualified whites getting into the top schools . If whites with high adversity scores get admitted over the brighter whites then the Blacks and Hispanic students won’t be as far behind the white students

    Imagine the Ivy League schools start rejecting the top white kids , because they attended good high schools and grew up in two parent households and start accepting all the white kids who were raised by single mothers , in poor towns with bad schools.

    If they actually start using the adversity score , white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools. Although many will game the system by getting “divorced” to obtain a higher adversity score, and getting an address in a poor area to increase their adversity scores....etc..,
  89. So, no White kids particularly boys need apply?

    This might as well be the Alt-Right recruiting poster. What exactly is the master plan for young White men shunted off to JC at best paying full freight and having more talent than Shitavious and Shaniqua, acting as the low paid gofer at best for the above if that?

    I think a social revolution movement modeled upon the Bumiputra movement of Malaysia would have a large success. Convince young White men they will be excluded and discriminated against unless Yellow Vest type movements tie up major cities for years in attrition warfare. What exactly does a broke, debt ridden barista have to lose? Not much. What does he have to gain? Gibs at the expense of Shitavious and Shaniqua.

    The policy of mass riots has been extraordinarily effective for Black people. Yes the Clampdown will come down but the riot police can be taunted that they will be replaced next. That has the virtue of being true.

  90. I’m sure players of “color’ would do better as pro golfers if the PGA (and other official bodies) used an adversity index in their scoring. I’m sure this idea would be very popular,not only with tour players, but with golfers at all levels.

  91. In other words, they are looking for a magic way to continue to impose racial preferences without preferring race, just by obvious proxies for race. You know, in case the Supreme Court starts to notice that pesky bit in the 14th Amendment about “equal protection of the laws.” Back in 2003, the Supreme Court put a 25 year limit on race preferences, and we’re now 16/25ths of the way there.

    What happens when the SCotUS notices the logic behind “disparate impact” and decides it shouldn’t be limited, in Orwellian fashion, to protecting only non-Whites?

  92. @IHTG
    Be that as it may, does this system allow leeway for the rural white working class to game the system also? If so, it's an improvement over an explicit race-based policy.

    The rural kids need to learn to be from Yorkshire:

  93. Don’t worry about “urbanicity.” The black-race-proxy gemstone lurking in the dross of the College Board’s “adversity” factors is the student’s neighborhood/school crime rate(s). Even strident liberals agree with Ron Unz that neighborhood crime rate is an extremely strong proxy specifically for black fraction of population.

    Race-obsessed college and university admissions officers, and therefore the College Board which caters to them, certainly do want to conceal their predjudices under a heap of noble-sounding criteria like concern for poverty. They know, however (see an avalanche of sources– heck, revisit Bok’s Shape of the River) that socioeconomic status factors don’t effectively proxy the sort of “diversity” (black race) they truly want. There are too many poor whites, Asians, and Hispanics in the relevant SES categories for those to distinguish students of blackness. But crime rate! Ah, that is a nearly pure signal of proper diversity. East Asians are often poor, but rarely are they criminals!

    The “adversity” scores are to be concealed from those burdened them for two reasons. One is just defense in depth– it will take much longer for their wickedness to be litigated if victims don’t know what they are. The second, though, is to prevent victims’ experts from reverse-engineering the scores to discover how the various factors are weighted (possibly using different formulae for different regions, or multi-step formulae which vary the weights for some factors based on others) to turn the final numbers into proxies for race. I predict that crime-related factors will play a big part in that.

  94. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s a video that goes along with this idea of adversity. It’s from a year and a half ago, or so. I think it’s very depressing. The message seems to be that were it not for the purported lack of privilege that many black kids experience, such as not having a father figure in the home, they would be surpassing all of the rest of us. (Someone might have already posted a link to this video.)

  95. @Autochthon
    Zhir is quite mannish, never mind race.

    Among the photographs accosting my eyes during this exercise was one of Esther Wojcicki (perhaps zhir's mate?), and...hoo, boy!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/05/18/us/18VERMONT/18VERMONT-facebookJumbo.jpg

    The “Boys” sign is twice the size of the “Girls” sign. This egregious microaggression must be avenged. I smell a lawsuit…

  96. How long before parents are complaining that their local crime rate isn’t high enough for the SATs and beg their local sheriff’s and police chiefs to step up arrests (or cook the books)?

  97. “Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.”

    A few more years and it will be dishonest to leave “selective” in the description. I’m guessing that the overall quality of “selective” schools has already diminished considerably. And so it goes.

  98. @Keypusher
    If I’m reading this right the total possible adversity swing is 200 points, which is the rough size of the black-white score gap. But since not all blacks are that disadvantaged and not all whites are that advantaged, the adjustment won’t close the gap. Put another way, even if you assume that the causal relationship between environment and aptitude is entirely one way, blacks still underperform compared to whites. That’s why the Woke are still complaining.

    Funny note in light of the adjoining thread about baseball: wins above replacement (WAR) is supposed to incorporate all measures (OBA, slugging, fielding percentage, etc.) of a player’s performance (including the park he plays in) and capture exactly how good he is with a single number. In a sense that’s what they’re (ostensibly) trying to do with the Adversity Adjustment.

    The Adversity Score will range from 1 to 100. If they want to just add it to your SAT they are going to have to double or triple it. I call such a composite score the Adversity Score SAT or ASS.

  99. @TheJester
    A few questions:

    At what point in the new scoring does the adversity factor override academic performance?

    Does this mean that accomplished white kids from rural America will finally get a chance to go to Harvard or Yale in place of recent immigrants from Nigeria ... or, black and Hispanic non-high school graduates from the "hood"?

    Will universities that accept students based on adversity factors also normalize grading to recognize that "D" performances from "students of adversity", for example, are really "A" students in this alternative universe ... and award them the higher grades in the name of equity and social justice?

    Will law schools, medical schools, engineering schools, flight schools, and technical institutes also base admission and grading on adversity factors? What impacts might this have on society ... or, said another way, will adversity admissions and grading only apply to programs such as Black Studies, Woman's Studies, Hispanic Studies, and LGBTxyz Studies?

    If the latter, then adversity admissions and adversity grading are already in place and doing the expected damage to university reputations and students' lives; that is, in their graduates being unemployable outside of the Social Justice Warrior System (SJWS).

    None of the above. As has been discussed, the Adversity Score is a fallback in case the S. Ct. prohibits explicitly race based AA. The plan is to continue to (for example in the case of Harvard) accept black students equal to 15% of the total even though the student body would only be 2% black if race (cough, adversity) wasn’t taken into account. The plan is to manipulate the AS to filter out rural whites, Asian, etc. – only “urban” (cough black and Latin0) poor will be considered to suffer from adversity. They will keep tweaking the secret factors until they are able to approximate the results of the current race based system, hopefully without breaking the law because the AS is (supposedly) not based on race (only on obvious proxies for race). It will take years for the new lawsuits to wend their way thru the courts and the secret factors and weights have to be revealed in discovery. If all goes well, nothing has to change once the court rules against AA – business as usual will continue.

  100. Some people are just smarter than others, and if you change the rules to give the simpletons a chance, smart people will quickly figure out how to game the new rules to emerge on top, especially if they’re not white and have no hangups about “fair play”. It’s like challenging Magnus Carlsen to a game of loser-chess and being shocked when he tricks you into checkmating him.

  101. @Keypusher
    Wow, I learn a lot in these comment threads. One thing — a colleague of mine (Jewish) had a daughter attend Stuyvesant, and she loved it. Didn’t find it a pressure-cooker at all, even though it was already 50% Asian. Very counterintuitive, and maybe she’s just unusual. But I think some of the evidence that the NYC selective schools are pressure cookers comes from interviewing the few NAMs who attend them. For those students, I’m sure it is a pressure-cooker.

    One person’s pressure cooker is another person’s dream school – a school in which the pace actually matches their level of energy and intelligence. The same thing happens in athletics, music, etc.. If you can’t play at that level, pro (even minor league) baseball is a nightmare – the pitches come across the plate at 100 mph – you can’t even see them coming. But if you are in the groove, you’re hitting them out of the park and it’s better than drugs.

    The lesson is that you have to match with your school. There’s no best school for everyone and for most NAMs the worst thing that could happen to them would be to put in a place where they are in over their head. On paper, all the leftists want to fill Stuyvesant with a bunch of NAMS but on an individual level they are doing those kids no favor.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, ic1000
  102. “You know what would predict SAT scores really accurately? Percentage of soda sales in a zip code’s shops that were grape-flavored. Also, percentage of cigarettes sold that are menthol.”

    So true and so funny. Genius.

  103. @Keypusher
    Wow, I learn a lot in these comment threads. One thing — a colleague of mine (Jewish) had a daughter attend Stuyvesant, and she loved it. Didn’t find it a pressure-cooker at all, even though it was already 50% Asian. Very counterintuitive, and maybe she’s just unusual. But I think some of the evidence that the NYC selective schools are pressure cookers comes from interviewing the few NAMs who attend them. For those students, I’m sure it is a pressure-cooker.

    January 27, 2018

    Five years after a nationally publicized cheating scandal led to the principal’s ouster and the suspension of a dozen kids, academic dishonesty is rampant at the city’s educational crown jewel, students say. …

    A survey by the student newspaper, The Spectator, found a stunning 83 percent of 329 responding students admitted they cheated at the elite institution.

    “We all are just helping each other out. Stuyvesant breeds a culture of cheating, and you’re honestly stupid to not take advantage of it,” one student told The Spectator.

    Cheating is most common among students in their third year, the most academically challenging because the grades count heavily on college applications, the December survey found. A whopping 97 percent of juniors said they had engaged in academic dishonesty, while 56 percent of freshman said they had already cheated after just four months in the school.

    Students interviewed outside the downtown school last week weren’t surprised by the survey results.

    “This school has a competitive environment, so some kids feel like they have to [cheat] in order to succeed,” Qiu said. “There is this bar. You are always trying to be on top, to be the best.”

    “For some people, the pressure can be so much that they’ll take the risk even a second or third time after being caught cheating,” said junior Rafsan Zaman, 17.

    https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/cheating-still-rampant-at-disgraced-stuyvesant-school/

  104. @Keypusher
    Wow, I learn a lot in these comment threads. One thing — a colleague of mine (Jewish) had a daughter attend Stuyvesant, and she loved it. Didn’t find it a pressure-cooker at all, even though it was already 50% Asian. Very counterintuitive, and maybe she’s just unusual. But I think some of the evidence that the NYC selective schools are pressure cookers comes from interviewing the few NAMs who attend them. For those students, I’m sure it is a pressure-cooker.

    April 6, 2019

    Cheating remains a plague at Stuyvesant High School, where some parents will “do anything” to help their kids get ahead, according to a teacher who spoke out amid another academic dishonesty scandal at the elite high school.

    “There is always cheating going on. It’s a huge issue,” said the English teacher, who spoke to The Post on condition of anonymity. “The competition is so cutthroat. They are all trying to get into Harvard and MIT.

    “Some kids — and their parents — will go to any lengths to get the high grades.” …

    Some parents at Stuyvesant also play hardball, the instructor said.

    “The school will kowtow to parents,” the teacher said. “If you have a really pushy parent who will lie and is prepared to stand up to the principal, the student might be given a second chance.”

    Money makes a difference.

    “We have a lot of rich kids and a lot of poor kids. The rich kids, both parents don’t work. They speak English at home, and the poorer kids, the parent doesn’t have the time to come in and fight for them, and they don’t have the money to buy an essay,” the teacher said. …

    In the recent plagiarism incident, a student was caught “soliciting an essay in exchange for money,” English teacher Minkyu Kim told The Spectator. “Through investigating . . . it became clear to us that this was not just one person to another.”

    https://nypost.com/2019/04/06/cheating-remains-huge-issue-at-elite-stuyvesant-high-school/

  105. @415 reasons
    The original purpose of the SAT was information laundering— allowing employers to use attendance at a selective college as a proxy for intelligence that they were no longer allowed to directly measure with aptitude tests that had a disparate impact. As American society continues its evolution to a post-competent era, the function of the SAT stays the same, laundering racial information for diversocrats.

    Please provide a cite; I believe you’re wrong. College Boards, the original name of the SAT, were meant to make college admission more meritocratic. They began 10-20 years before Griggs vs. Duke Power.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Yes, the SAT goes back as far as 1926 and was administered on a massive scale by 1960. Griggs was in 1970, I think.
    , @415 reasons
    Ok, I spoke hyperbolically. That is not the original purpose of the SAT. But it has been the main purpose for many decades, at least since the 1960s. Here are a couple things I have seen recently with more info about this function of college admission exams.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/04/15/increasingly-competitive-college-admissions-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

    http://www.unz.com/video/bloggingheadstv_aesthetics-ideology-and-olivia-jade-aryeh-cohen-wade-amp-dan/
  106. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    The decision to give students who take the SAT test a numerical rating that reflects the challenges they have overcome in life is the most telling sign yet that universities across the country are searching for ways to diversify their classes without considering race or ethnicity.

    Having a low IQ is going to cause any person a lot of adversity in their life, especially if they’re trying to get into university.

    I wonder if this will result in much larger numbers of students taking the ACT.

  107. @Hibernian
    Please provide a cite; I believe you're wrong. College Boards, the original name of the SAT, were meant to make college admission more meritocratic. They began 10-20 years before Griggs vs. Duke Power.

    Yes, the SAT goes back as far as 1926 and was administered on a massive scale by 1960. Griggs was in 1970, I think.

  108. Anemona Hartocollis Retweeted:

  109. @Tired of Not Winning
    Let's just make the Ivy League 100% black and get it over with.

    It seems like the plan would result more less qualified whites getting into the top schools . If whites with high adversity scores get admitted over the brighter whites then the Blacks and Hispanic students won’t be as far behind the white students

    Imagine the Ivy League schools start rejecting the top white kids , because they attended good high schools and grew up in two parent households and start accepting all the white kids who were raised by single mothers , in poor towns with bad schools.

    If they actually start using the adversity score , white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools. Although many will game the system by getting “divorced” to obtain a higher adversity score, and getting an address in a poor area to increase their adversity scores….etc..,

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools
     
    They already are. The purpose of the adversity score is to keep it that way come hell or high water.

    The only way this ends is for millions of parents to drop their fixation on these elite (sic) schools.

  110. @Prodigal son
    It seems like the plan would result more less qualified whites getting into the top schools . If whites with high adversity scores get admitted over the brighter whites then the Blacks and Hispanic students won’t be as far behind the white students

    Imagine the Ivy League schools start rejecting the top white kids , because they attended good high schools and grew up in two parent households and start accepting all the white kids who were raised by single mothers , in poor towns with bad schools.

    If they actually start using the adversity score , white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools. Although many will game the system by getting “divorced” to obtain a higher adversity score, and getting an address in a poor area to increase their adversity scores....etc..,

    white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools

    They already are. The purpose of the adversity score is to keep it that way come hell or high water.

    The only way this ends is for millions of parents to drop their fixation on these elite (sic) schools.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    The only way this ends is for millions of parents to drop their fixation on these elite (sic) schools.

    That's not going to happen until government and business also stop fixating on these schools. Graduates from a handful of elite schools run the country. Obama would never have been President if he'd finished his undergrad degree at Occidental and gotten a law degree from some middling school.

    The Supreme Court is pretty much a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Ivy League.
  111. @Almost Missouri
    Maybe this has already been covered, but is this new Adversity Score transparent? I.e., does anyone outside the special office within the College Board know what the ingredients, weightings and functions are?

    If no, then this is surely just an ongoing process where the black box of "Adversity Calculation" will be perpetually modified to increase blacks and to reduce whites and Asians, perhaps even using Steve's tongue-in-cheek proxies (grape soda, menthol).

    If yes, then this will quickly become just another tool in the box of gamed stats used by Tiger mothers, Rick Singer-types, subcon grifters, et al.

    I'm just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    [P.S. The previous sentence could be appended to an awful lot of comments.]

    I’m just curious which is the most accurate way to be cynical.

    It’s a moving target. You can’t be statically cynical, you have to be dynamically cynical.

  112. @Desiderius

    white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools
     
    They already are. The purpose of the adversity score is to keep it that way come hell or high water.

    The only way this ends is for millions of parents to drop their fixation on these elite (sic) schools.

    The only way this ends is for millions of parents to drop their fixation on these elite (sic) schools.

    That’s not going to happen until government and business also stop fixating on these schools. Graduates from a handful of elite schools run the country. Obama would never have been President if he’d finished his undergrad degree at Occidental and gotten a law degree from some middling school.

    The Supreme Court is pretty much a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Ivy League.

  113. “Adversity is our strength”, good one!

    Other funny quasi-nonsensical expressions are “diversitarian” and “diversitarianism” (rhyme with “totalitarian/ism” and “Rastafarian/ism”).

  114. @International Jew
    Isn't this socioeconomic index thing going to hurt the talented tenth? And the talented tenth is precisely the group of blacks that colleges most prize.

    They’ll just weight urbanicity the requisite amount.

    Although with the SJW headaches the (not) talented (enough) tenth has been giving them due to mismatch anxiety maybe they’re pivoting to the actually disadvantaged in hopes they’ll be more appreciative of the shot.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    more appreciative of the shot
     
    They'll take their shot(s) at it all right.
    , @GermanReader2
    I doubt the Ivy League want ghetto-blacks. Steve wrote that there was a time, when Harvard accepted a lot of ghetto blacks, but stopped it soon, because too many college students were victimized by them. It is a lot safer, to accept talented tenth types or the children of African diplomats. That leads me to an interesting question: how will this hardship score be calculated for international students?
  115. @Desiderius
    They’ll just weight urbanicity the requisite amount.

    Although with the SJW headaches the (not) talented (enough) tenth has been giving them due to mismatch anxiety maybe they’re pivoting to the actually disadvantaged in hopes they’ll be more appreciative of the shot.

    more appreciative of the shot

    They’ll take their shot(s) at it all right.

  116. @Desiderius
    They’ll just weight urbanicity the requisite amount.

    Although with the SJW headaches the (not) talented (enough) tenth has been giving them due to mismatch anxiety maybe they’re pivoting to the actually disadvantaged in hopes they’ll be more appreciative of the shot.

    I doubt the Ivy League want ghetto-blacks. Steve wrote that there was a time, when Harvard accepted a lot of ghetto blacks, but stopped it soon, because too many college students were victimized by them. It is a lot safer, to accept talented tenth types or the children of African diplomats. That leads me to an interesting question: how will this hardship score be calculated for international students?

  117. OK, we’ve discussed the bottom 10% and the top 10% now, how about the good old strength of our country middle-class? A lot of my black neighbors are upstanding citizens. My area’s like 40% black or so but they all mow their lawns and take care of their houses. They like to hang American flags and the like.

  118. @Ed

    Selective high schools in Chicago now admit 30 percent of their students based on grades and test scores, and turn to socioeconomic factors for the rest.

    The district uses a complex formula that analyzes the city’s census tracts for six factors: median family income, percentage of single-parent households, adult education level, percentage of owner-occupied homes, percentage of households in which English is not the first language and achievement scores of neighborhood schools for students living in the census tract.
     
    Over the years I’ve seen the media refer to how great Chicago’s elite public schools are at diversity. What I haven’t seen over the years is how well their special admits are doing.

    percentage of households in which English is not the first language

    Isn’t this bad for black kids in Chicago?

    Or is that the point?

  119. We were doing (basic) Algebra in 2nd grade parochial school in 1965. Rural Sacramento County.

    The sisters also taught reading using phonics. There was no school lunch program beyond what Mom packed in lunchboxes. Nobody smoked menthol cigarettes but does purple Kool-Aid count? Heh.™

  120. If they (the Ivy League schools) actually start using the adversity score , white students from intact families and good high schools will become quite rare at the top schools.

    …and within a generation, some other schools with have seized the commanding heights of academic reputation. Just look around you, you can see signs that this process is already occurring. I for one don’t hire grads from the Ivies, Stanford, and the like. Good grades from a down-market state college’s E-school is enough of an “adversity score” to meet my needs. If I need someone who speaks and writes well, the good grades from a small Christian college’s Great Books program fills that slot.

    Go thou and do likewise.

  121. @Hibernian
    Please provide a cite; I believe you're wrong. College Boards, the original name of the SAT, were meant to make college admission more meritocratic. They began 10-20 years before Griggs vs. Duke Power.

    Ok, I spoke hyperbolically. That is not the original purpose of the SAT. But it has been the main purpose for many decades, at least since the 1960s. Here are a couple things I have seen recently with more info about this function of college admission exams.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/04/15/increasingly-competitive-college-admissions-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

    http://www.unz.com/video/bloggingheadstv_aesthetics-ideology-and-olivia-jade-aryeh-cohen-wade-amp-dan/

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