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Zombies have of course been big in 21st Century pop culture. One surmise is that they serve as a metaphor for discomfort about mass immigration and the threat of it accelerating, as in Germany in 2015.

This was most explicitly brought out in the 2013 movie starring Brad Pitt, based on the novel by Mel Brooks’ son Max Brooks, World War Z. A global epidemic of zombieism destroys most nations. The most intelligent country, Israel, survives longer than most by building a big, beautiful wall to keep out the zombie hordes, but …

All during the election campaign, we were inundated by tweets from professional campaign consultants laughing at the lack of sophistication and spending of Trump’s campaign staff. For example, Josh Marshall wrote in August:

The Secret Behind Trump’s Comically Bad Digital Campaign?

ByJOSH MARSHALL Published AUGUST 22, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT

Since the election, however, Trump’s most trusted adviser, son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Kushner’s analytic expert Brad Parscale of low-cost San Antonio, have been a little less secretive about how they got so much more bang for their buck than did, say, poor Mitt Romney. A Forbes article about Kushner mentions:

Television and online advertising? Small and smaller. Twitter and Facebook would fuel the campaign, as key tools for not only spreading Trump’s message but also targeting potential supporters, scraping massive amounts of constituent data and sensing shifts in sentiment in real time.

“We weren’t afraid to make changes. We weren’t afraid to fail. We tried to do things very cheaply, very quickly. And if it wasn’t working, we would kill it quickly,” Kushner says. “It meant making quick decisions, fixing things that were broken and scaling things that worked.”

This wasn’t a completely raw startup. Kushner’s crew was able to tap into the Republican National Committee’s data machine, and it hired targeting partners like Cambridge Analytica to map voter universes and identify which parts of the Trump platform mattered most: trade, immigration or change. Tools like Deep Root drove the scaled-back TV ad spending by identifying shows popular with specific voter blocks in specific regions–say, NCIS for anti-ObamaCare voters or The Walking Dead for people worried about immigration.

I don’t have cable TV so I’ve never seen The Walking Dead. Is it a metaphor for immigration?

 
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  2. >>All during the election campaign, we were inundated by tweets from professional campaign consultants laughing at the lack of sophistication and spending of Trump’s campaign staff.

    I watch MSNBC for amusement (Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell), and for months this was a recurring theme on their broadcasts. How stuuuuuuuuupid and wrong the Trump people were, didn’t they know that you need a well oiled campaign machine with thousands of young millennials, financed by hedge funders, headquartered in hip places like Brooklyn?

    The snide tone was similar to those tweeting about the Pence/Hamilton incident, tweeting that those protesting the treatment of Pence couldn’t afford to purchase tickets to see Hamilton anyway.

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    • Replies: @Marty
    What if The Law said you could feed one person to a pack of wolves. Would you choose Lawrence O'Donnell?
  3. I watch TWD, and I’d have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies (“walkers”) have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human… and more allegorically “badwhite.” The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

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    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, Abe
    • Replies: @syonredux

    I watch TWD, and I’d have to say no.
     

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.
     
    And that's why I think that The Walking Dead does work as a metaphor for the dangers of immigration. Both zombies and illegal aliens are comically easy to stop. It's only our own stupidity (willful or otherwise) that makes them a threat.
    , @Chet

    the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension
     
    Exactly. I recall a scene in The Blair Witch Project where one of the guys has a hissy fit and destroys the group's only map (the group of three then remains lost in the woods). TWD is like that for the whole first season. Lots of preschool-level tantrums and irrationality. Bad, but not of the so-bad-it's-good variety.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I've been noticing for years now how almost everywhere -- tv, movies, novels, etc and almost all the time lazy writers use awe inspiring stupidity to move their plot in the desired direction. It reminds me of some of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfdePunJFU
    , @AndrewR
    I don't doubt you but I don't care to watch the show so please provide examples of said stupidity, if you desire.
    , @Pat Hannagan
    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter.

    100%!

    We've had family discussions about this show where each person has to determine the best strategy for survival given the metrics of these zombies: can't identify you if covered in zombie skin, attracted to noise, can't swim, extremely slow moving, poor eyesight, no sense of smell other than for some reason not able to distinguish someone covered zombie skin.

    1st season Rick discovered that zombie skin is 100% foolproof way of evading zombies yet never uses this tactic again till several seasons later.

    Never seeks an island as refuge and stronghold from which to make sweeps of outlying areas.

    Doesn't use noise as diversion to create choke point for mass slaughter of zombies.

    Doesn't use fire-stick farming methods.

    Likes to leave weakest members of group under sustained zombie attack whilst best hunters go off on individual jaunts of no tactical purpose.

    List could go on. Stupid show.

    , @TWS
    This is the American south and guns are as rare as Amsterdam? I've seen enough guns in a typical rural southern home to arm a platoon with a full load out of ammo. These guys are dumb as a bag of hair.
    , @Bill
    The other thing which strikes me about the show is how totally lacking in leadership qualities Rick is. Why don't the more competent of his followers just slip away during the night? What explains the fact that they keep following such a man?
  4. I think in a way. The media is so politically correct, it’s hard to tackle the issue from a negative perspective. You definitely get a camp of the saints feel when the protagonists are swarmed or inundated by zombies.

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  5. Also, I think there is an appeal to those that dream of starting over or surviving some apocalyptic event and then rebuilding.

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  6. As I mentioned the last time World War Z and zombies came up on iSteve, I don’t like 99% of horror, but I like zombie movies. In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient. I suspect this is true for other people as well and would explain why people who like zombie movies react more negatively to immigration.

    And the answer to this?

    The Secret Behind Trump’s Comically Bad Digital Campaign?

    ByJOSH MARSHALL Published AUGUST 22, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT

    Josh Marshall is an idiot.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Josh didn't understand the basic voting arithmetic that not voting for Hillary was half as valuable to the Trump campaign as voting for Trump.
    , @Brutusale
    I posted a photo of Josh's wife on this blog about a month ago. Josh obviously has no discernment skills.
    , @Anon
    "In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient."

    Zombie movies are effective only in the incarnation of the Zombie outbreak.

    Once that is established, it just degenerates into a gore-fest.

    That's why I like NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD and DIARY OF THE DEAD, a reboot in the social networking age. NIGHT is about isolation of horror. DIARY is about communication of horror.

    With the initial outbreak, we can understand why the zombies have an advantage. People have no idea what is happening. They are clueless as to why strange-acting folks are acting the way they are. People don't know that the dead are walking and feeding on humans. So, people get ambushed here and there, and zombie-ness spreads as survivors of zombie-bites eventually turn zombie themselves.

    BUT, once the information gets out, the government and everyone with guns will quickly mobilize and take out most zombies and keep a vigilant eye on a newly-deads. It would be like the ending of NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD where the patrols easily wipe out all the zombies. Once people organize, the zombies have no chance.

    DAWN has a special place for me because how I got to see it, but it makes no sense that the zombies are beginning to take over entire communities. (Maybe it would make sense in a non-technological community without guns.)
    I mean how can slow-moving zombies take over town after town when so many Americans are well-armed and have the backing of the US military? (WWZ makes more sense in this regard because those zombies run and run fast and cooperate like killer ants. But it is also less scary because zombies are so athletic. The creepy Nosferatu-shadowy and Dr. Caligari-lurking element is missing. )

    As graphic and gory as the genre is, the real fright derives from the fact that the phenomenon is happening at all. Why is the dead coming back to 'life'? And why are they eating human flesh?

    I think people who saw NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD when it first came out were scared mostly by that strange feeling that something that shouldn't be happening is really happening.

    But once the flesh-eating zombie became a genre, it just turned into a contest of gore(for zombies eating humans) and fun & thrills(how many zombies can you kill with badass guns like in video games). RESIDENT EVIL isn't even horror though it is zombie galore. No one watches it to be scared. It's just killer-babes running around mowing down zombies. It is pure action.

    But zombies are interesting to many people because anyone can project his own ideas on what they are about. Since zombies are so mindless, this vacuum allows us to fill in the blanks.



    So, zombies can be us, consumers, Jews, Nazis, victims, oppressors, 'white trash', blacks, revolutionaries, anarchists, communists, pagans, animals, etc.

    The most disturbing thing about zombie movies is that they give the 'good guys' and 'bad guys' --- all humans in fact --- the green light and moral justification to blow away all these creatures. It'd be terribly evil to wipe out an entire people with machine guns. That'd be Nazi-like. BUT, if those people turned zombie, we can go full-rambo on them and blow them away with glee.

    Zombies are dehumanized humans. In zombie movies, they are real threats because they feed on humans. But the very conception --- that entire populations are irredeemable and deplorable sub-humans who are a threat to our order --- gives us the justification to blow them away without any remorse whatsoever. We can be 'good nazi SS' against zombies. We can exterminate them at will and have tons of fun.

    The moral problem occurs ONLY when the zombie happens to be someone close to you. It's like the moment in SHAUN OF THE DEAD when the mother zombie has to be killed. And the saddest moment in DAWN OF THE DEAD is when the Negro has to kill his friend who dies and reawakens as a zombie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbrN51dPm0I

    Another interesting thing about Zombie movies is the shifting politics of alliance.
    In DAWN, all humans initially hate Zombies and kill them and do everything to keep the zombies out. We can't imagine anyone siding with zombies or finding them useful.

    But when bikers break into the shopping mall, zombies become almost like allies of the leading characters. And even though we'd rooted for any human who killed zombies earlier, we sort of take delight in the zombies killing and devouring the biker thugs who are messing up the domain of the leading characters.

    It's like the Cossack Wars in Ukraine. Even though Cossacks feared and loathed Tartars, they hired the Asiatic thugs to fight the Polish aristocrats. And later when the Swedes, Turks, and Russians attacked Poland, Lithuanians and Poles also recruited Tartar thugs, at least according to THE DELUGE by Sienkiewicz.

    There is also a scene in ANDREI RUBLEV where the two Russian prince-brothers hate each other so much that one brother allies with Tartars to sack the town of his brother.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rti73hyuSX8

    That sort of mentality governs the politics of the West. The globo-elites hate white nativists so much that they are willing to use mass-invaders to destroy white folks.
    The globo elites don't care that Muslims are mowing people down with trucks. Merkel doesn't care that Muslims go around messing up Germany. As long as they can be used against the native 'nazis', the invasive mobs are useful.

    Zombies are frightful to all humans, but when it turns into a contest of humans vs humans, some humans might use zombies against their enemy humans.

    One of the most interesting 'zombie' films is RABID. It is an allegory of the frightful power unleashed by the friction of the Semitic and Aryan. A Jewish doctor operates on blonde Aryan woman, and all hell breaks loose.

    Similar theme in Cronenberg's DANGEROUS METHOD where Aryan and Semite rub against one another. Two powerful ways of seeing the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMliEoJIi8
  7. @Chrisnonymous
    As I mentioned the last time World War Z and zombies came up on iSteve, I don't like 99% of horror, but I like zombie movies. In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient. I suspect this is true for other people as well and would explain why people who like zombie movies react more negatively to immigration.

    And the answer to this?


    The Secret Behind Trump’s Comically Bad Digital Campaign?

    ByJOSH MARSHALL Published AUGUST 22, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT
     

    Josh Marshall is an idiot.

    Or maybe Josh didn’t understand the basic voting arithmetic that not voting for Hillary was half as valuable to the Trump campaign as voting for Trump.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I say idiot because I take the point of his article (which I admit I only skimmed part of) to be that Trump is a terrible manager--cf putting someone with no political experience in charge of his Internet strategy.

    But as the Forbes profile of Kushner showed, Trump put a highly competent team in charge of his Internet strategy, and the fact that they had no political experience was completely irrelevant. Its irrelevancy ought to have been obvious when the question re Internet is essentially marketing and not political theory.

    Moreover--and this is the real issue--the idea that Trump is an incompetent manager is ridiculous. Highly ridiculous. Even if, after 4 years, the highly unlikely occurs and he turns out to have managed the government poorly, the assumption going in that a billionaire businessman is a poor manager remains ridiculous. The good bet is on billionaire=competent, not billionaire=incompetent. Therefore, when Trump picks an unknown to do something, the reaction ought to be, "oh, what's this guy got going for him?", not snickering at a "comically bad" choice.

    So, Josh Marshall's an idiot.

    BTW, Steve, it's already Thanksgiving over here, so

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    We have a lot to be thankful for this year. I'm going to enjoy telling my girlfriend's parents the traditional story of Thanksgiving in all its historically questionable but thoroughly American Greatness.
  8. Morbidly curious-what kind of work will Rick Wilson be doing in the future?

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Check bus stations, public rest rooms, and high rest stops if you really want the answer to that question.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Morbidly curious-what kind of work will Rick Wilson be doing in the future?"

    Selling his collection of anime-porn.
  9. The original one isn’t, at least not as explicitly as “World War Z,” I would say.

    The spinoff set in L.A. makes the immigration theme more explicit, but also keeps getting its wires crossed about whether or not immigration is a Good Thing. It’s like the producers are aware of the subtext, and are trying to milk it, but at the same time they keep shoehorning in awkward, overt pro-immigration elements to give themselves deniability.

    The original is, however, filmed in Georgia, which is a hotbed of anxiety over illegal immigration. It’s also one of the few shows on television which consistently portrays the white “deplorable” class in a positive light. The main characters, both villains and heroes, are nearly all working class white Southerners. Even the token minorities are strongly assimilationist — which I suppose would be a necessary survival strategy in a zombie apocalypse, but still. It’s interesting that even when they have a golden opportunity to skewer the deplorables, they almost always avoid it.

    I’m betting that’s the reason it plays so well with Trump supporters — it’s a chance to watch a TV show where people like themselves are the heroes for a change.

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  10. Zombies are stand-ins for the elderly. They walk, communicate and stare like old people with Parkinson’s or some form of dementia. Popular entertainments that feature the conscience-free killing of zombies are preparing young people for the tsunami of elderly that is about to swamp them as the boomers move into old, old age. Zombie movies teach the young that its all right to hate and fear the old. They are also telling young people that anything that walks haltingly, appears decrepit and does not communicate well is to be feared. Moreover, it is all right to kill them.

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    • Replies: @Thea
    I always took zombies to be metaphors for druggies. But I could see the elderly now as well.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    'Zombie movies teach the young that its [sic] all right to hate and fear the old.'

    Um, no. You went full retard, sir. Never go full retard.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    No! You are thinking of "The Cabin in the Woods", a movie which is an obvious political allegory of how the Baby Boomer establishment is ruthlessly plundering succeeding generations for its own benefit.
    , @Stan Adams
    Zombies are a lot easier to deal with than Alzheimer's patients.

    My mid-eightysomething grandmother is senile, immobile, and incontinent.

    The last one is the worst - she'll soil herself and not even know it. She'll deny having done anything and refuse to allow anyone to clean her up.

    (Yesterday, after our Thanksgiving dinner, my mother and I spent the better part of an hour dealing with one of her bathroom-related fits of rage.)

    One of the better times to deal with her is when she's in her placid zombie-like state. That blank stare is creepy, but at least she's not endangering herself.

    The worst time is when she's having a psychotic episode and becomes convinced that everyone around her is plotting to murder and/or rape her. She can and will bite, kick, and scratch.

    The next-worst time is when she's almost like her old self - she realizes that something is wrong and becomes extremely paranoid. (The paranoia grows and develops into a full-blown freakout.)

    Getting old is not fun.
  11. I think almost all zombie films tap into that fear, no matter what political ideology the filmmakers may bring with them to the project.

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  12. The appeal of zombies is twofold:

    -they are mass hordes (emblematic of the third world and/or the ghetto and/or Islam)

    -they can be killed with plain old guns. No holy water or stakes through the heart needed. Try and find a gun range in the US that doesn’t sell zombie targets. Can’t be done.

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  13. I’m skeptical of “digital strategies” and “data analytics” as I live on earth. I have had to sell things and figure out why people buy stuff. Trump’s success has confirmed my skepticism. He ran an old school campaign. His rallies were just a modern version of the whistle stop tour. His twitter account was pamphleteering.

    The big thing was Trump followed the time tested way of selling. Ethos, Pathos and Logos. People had a reason to vote for Trump, outside the party dynamic. No one had a reason to vote for Hillary, outside the party dynamic.

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    It’s really not like World War Z, which was more plausible as a mass immigration metaphor. TWD is more in line with the traditional slasher/gore genre. The appeal is in being able to watch people get bashed with bats and stuff.

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    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "The appeal is in being able to watch people get bashed with bats and stuff."

    Yup. The soap opera aspects of Walking Dead are snore-worthy. I don't care about the characters -- I just wanna watch zombies get their overripe noggins splattered.
  15. The modern zombie craze is fueled by a couple of things:

    1. The low-T of leftist men means that killing other humans is sometimes necessary but squeamish about admitting it to themselves or to others. The high-T of Leftist women means they want to pretend to be equal to the boys in violence.

    High-T men accept that killing may be part of a duty, but Leftists cannot. This is why the Western film and war-glorifying has been deliberately killed off by Hollywood; the Leftists in charge hate the themes of men-having-to-do-unpleasant things to save society. Only war movies that show the “true misery” of war are allowed. This is also why Hollywood produces a big-budget “let’s end the death penalty movie” every couple of years or so.

    Zombie movies, however, allow the Leftists an outlet for their passions. They get to have a kick-ass tough grrrl karate kicking zombies in the head while the men get to shoot them in the head–all while not “really” killing zombies, since they’re already did.

    2. It has allowed the theme of “humans are worse than zombies!” to be explored, which Leftists like. The metaphor is that humans (i.e. White Westerners) are, in reality, worse than the zombie hordes(i.e. the poor oppressed non-whites).

    Almost every season of the The Walking Dead has the protagonists coming upon a seemingly well-run human utopia, only to find that the human compound is run by zealots/gangsters/cannibals. (it owes a lot to Watership Down in that regard).

    Bonus: The Walking Dead allows for a depiction of uber-masculine, sexy white bad boys (the white racists who are extremely useful in survivalist tactics, the authoritarian overlords) whose sexy masculinity is entertained for a bit before being vanquished by the “good” humans, thus allowing the females in the audience to indulge in their romantic, chained-damsel fantasies while pretending such things aren’t attractive to them (I would bet the audience for it skews a lot more female than typical survivalist/action fare)

    Similarly, Land of the Dead and some teen-romantic-zombie film whose name escapes me had similar themes: zombies are just innocent creatures trying to stay alive, while we, the super-civilized, are the true bad guys with our heavy-handed “rules” and not letting them gorge upon us.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Almost every season of the The Walking Dead has the protagonists coming upon a seemingly well-run human utopia, only to find that the human compound is run by zealots/gangsters/cannibals. (it owes a lot to Watership Down in that regard). "

    And every one of the worst of the worst are straight white men in TWD. The Governor, Gareth, Joe (head of the Claimers), Negan, Negan's head henchmen, etc...

    Every once in a while, they will have a minority who is a minor underling under those bad guys, but often even those are reluctantly so. Minorities are key players among the good guys. And usually the ones who keep their humanity even while the whites are losing theirs. Sometimes so blatantly so, it was comical. Tyreese the reluctant warrior protecting a white baby from the Terminus white man who was his hostage. Glenn redeeming white Nicholas, sparing him despite his treachery. Glenn and Heath (both minorities) as the only two people who, after everything still never killed anyone, and Glenn sparing Heath from doing it.
  16. I think the zombie fantasy has more to do with unspoken fear of a race war than it does with concerns about immigration. It also related to the survivalist movement that has been around since the 1970s, which stresses preparation for the inevitable collapse of civilization.

    There is high performance ammunition marketed as zombie ammunition, there are zombie targets sold, and there are any number of firearms accessories, such as telescopic sights, marketed as anti-zombie gear. The annual SHOT Show, a trade show for the shooting industry, used to be loaded with this stuff, though I think it has passed its peak as a fad.

    Zombie ammo: http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/zombiemax

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes. TWD is a primer for surviving Civil War 2

    1) In the first season, it's made clear that the government cannot help you. You're on your own.

    2) The zombies are a metaphor for the underclass of all races. They are pitiless. They cannot be reasoned or bargained with. They literally want to consume you. But they are mindless, and can be dealt with.

    3) More dangerous are the living. Especially if they learn to control the dead for their own purposes. Group identity trumps common humanity time after time.

    4) All you have, at the end, is family and friends. Keep them safe, and hope they do the same for you. Group loyalty is key.

    Paul Mendez
  17. The first wave of zombie movies was in the late sixties/early seventies. Explain that!

    Well, there is the 1965 immigration act. Hmmm…

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    • Replies: @Anon87
    George Romero is a big liberal, so I don't think Night of the Living Dead has the subtext. The deluge of Italian knock-offs, maybe?
  18. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    I watch TWD, and I’d have to say no.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    And that’s why I think that The Walking Dead does work as a metaphor for the dangers of immigration. Both zombies and illegal aliens are comically easy to stop. It’s only our own stupidity (willful or otherwise) that makes them a threat.

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it's possible. The survivors' bumping up against the enemies I characterize as allegorically "badwhite" maybe is meant to imply that only the "bad" survive and thrive in this world of new pressures, while the "good" are mostly victims.

    Incidentally, on the subject of contemporary TV, I've been thinking that Breaking Bad may have been an early depiction of a few of the deep social macrotrends and butterfly effects leading to Trump.
  19. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension

    Exactly. I recall a scene in The Blair Witch Project where one of the guys has a hissy fit and destroys the group’s only map (the group of three then remains lost in the woods). TWD is like that for the whole first season. Lots of preschool-level tantrums and irrationality. Bad, but not of the so-bad-it’s-good variety.

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  20. Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience. The Western audience, only half unconsciously wants a violent end to the existing order and a new hopeful start from scratch unencumbered by the restraints of contemporary mores, the kind permitted in dealing with non-human zombie adversaries ( the elite and its foreign invader mercenaries).

    The people yearn for the freedom an apocalyptic event would permit despite the probable loss of life of loved ones. The moral, emotional, spiritual contemporary reality of ‘Judaeo-Christendom’ is so venal, crass, carnal, bestial, usurious, blasphemous, so succinctly an abomination, that its theater goers crave a cleansing mass death and rebirth.

    A mass market death wish.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "A mass market death wish"

    What nonsense. People like to imagine themselves as the survivors, not the dead. More like "life wish."
  21. I’ve seen the zombie/immigration metaphor somewhere at length- the NYRB or LRB I think, but I can’t find the article. This Granta article is almost right, but not quite: https://granta.com/the-meaning-of-zombies/

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  22. Zombies are society turned against you. Viewers will project the enemy they prefer (though Hollywood cowards/haters are usually careful not to let the hordes reflect America’s diversity, much less the world’s).

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.

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    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.
     
    How about when I say this scene depicts the last white man left in Los Angeles?
    I don't care which group of riff raff it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sPM8ugSWc

    and the next day, and the next...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMZen0UicU

  23. I think it’s more a yearning for simpler times. There are no boring jobs in a zombie apocalypse, no mortgages, no screaming kids (unless they’re being eaten by zombies), no red tape, no ridiculous laws. It’s essentially a hunter gatherer lifestyle, just with more apex predators.

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    I am as free as nature first made man,
    Ere the base laws of servitude began,
    When wild in woods the noble zombie ran.

    Also, the Pax Zombica. If you can't beat them, join them. No more worries, no more fighting. Give up the struggle, relax, and find peace. They are determined and relentless, and, really, does it really matter in the end?


    According to this link, Italy, Portugal, Hungary, Spain, and the Netherlands figure quite highly WW Z box office numbers. All have, or have had, troubles with the Prophet.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/business

    WW Z apparently couldn't get the approval of PRC censors. But Hollywood is slowly learning what China wants, China gets.
  24. Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    I can say it as someone who has never been in the military, and hasn’t spent a day outdoors since the eighties, and who has only read up a bit because he considers a bit of prepping a civic duty. And you’re right, it’s lazy writers. Only in fiction-land are people that stupid.

    I think it would be hilarious to have a show about people with normal intelligence (i.e., 2 sd above TWD characters) and psychological makeup, in the same world as TWD characters. They live a life of ease, and occasionally run into, and are bemused by, the likes of idiot Rick and his morose band. Even better, a TWD world filled with people getting along fine and just Rick & co having trouble.

    I think the producers of TWD leaned far too heavily on its comic book origins. “Hey, the original is stupid, let’s stick with that.”

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    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    Svigor, I laughed so hard thinking about regular people living their life of ease and shaking their heads at Rick the idiot.

    For me the attraction is definitely the idea of starting over. I'm deliberately not watching TWD at this point, because of the lazy writing that has Rick's group screwing up every time they find something decent.
  25. Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    I can say it as someone who has never been in the military, and hasn’t slept outdoors since the eighties, and who has only read up a bit because he considers a bit of prepping a civic duty. And you’re right, it’s lazy writers. Only in fiction-land are people that stupid.

    I think it would be hilarious to have a show about people with normal intelligence (i.e., 2 sd above TWD characters) and psychological makeup, in the same world as TWD characters. They live a life of ease, and occasionally run into, and are bemused by, the likes of idiot Rick and his morose band. Even better, a TWD world filled with people getting along fine and just Rick & co having trouble.

    I think the producers of TWD leaned far too heavily on its comic book origins. “Hey, the original is stupid, let’s stick with that.”

    My favorite bit of evidence for the idea that the producers embraced the comic book stupidity: remember when the soccer mom fired the bottle rocket at the gas tank from like 150 yards away, hitting it on the first try? She didn’t even aim it. She just lit it and leaned it against the fence. That’s more than just cinematic negligence – that’s deliberate. They’re having fun being schlocky and dumb.

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  26. Trump won the digital game hands down, just as Obama did in 2008
    1. Cambridge Analytics are amazing. They were advising Cruz but came over as soon as Trump won the primaries. They are also responsible for a lot of the success lower down Republican tickets since 2010.
    2. Trump tweeting strategy — direct communication with votes bypassing MSM
    3. Email/rallies — some Democrat friends say they received emails from Trump and none from Clinton
    4. Memes, a lot of it driven by Reddit (copying Sanders)
    5. Hacking/wikileaks

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  27. It should be noted that, of horror genres, zombie/mutant is the most overtly progressive and prone to fretting about progressive fetishes, in spite of the survivalism fulcrum (though the particular outsized influence of George Romero is undoubtedly a contributor to the bias). TWD is clearly the product of standard-run whiteliberal creators; many examples from the show back this up, but I remember the Michael Rooker semi-villain character anachronistically sneering about “Democrats” which was strange for a supposed Vietnam-vet good ol’ boy from the N. Georgia hillsides; OTOH maybe it was a tribute to Zell Miller. The writers do seem to have a barely concealed Nietzschean/male concept of power relations which, as in (male whitelib written) “Game of Thrones”, occasionally yields very problematic plot developments.

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    OTOH maybe it was a tribute to Zell Miller.
     
    Clever reference, definitely.
  28. One of the things people do w/ the Zombie genre is play the

    “Who would I want around me when the Zombie apocalypse comes?’ and

    “What would I do to save my family when normal standards are suspended?”

    You shut out almost the whole world, circle the wagons, and look out for #1. All altruism is reserved for family/ in-group.

    This is part of the modern survivalist mentality, where we see suburban moms driving big SUVs for which they couldn’t change a spark plug, and people wearing expensive Patagonia mountaineering gear to go to Whole Foods. Panic Rooms.

    Guns are bad, outdoor stuff is uncomfortable and rednecks like it, but everyone wants to pretend to be a Badass.

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  29. @Daniel H
    >>All during the election campaign, we were inundated by tweets from professional campaign consultants laughing at the lack of sophistication and spending of Trump’s campaign staff.

    I watch MSNBC for amusement (Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell), and for months this was a recurring theme on their broadcasts. How stuuuuuuuuupid and wrong the Trump people were, didn't they know that you need a well oiled campaign machine with thousands of young millennials, financed by hedge funders, headquartered in hip places like Brooklyn?

    The snide tone was similar to those tweeting about the Pence/Hamilton incident, tweeting that those protesting the treatment of Pence couldn't afford to purchase tickets to see Hamilton anyway.

    What if The Law said you could feed one person to a pack of wolves. Would you choose Lawrence O’Donnell?

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    • Replies: @Davosbane
    Wouldn't be a bad choice. Paul Ryan would also be a serious candidate.
  30. @Chrisnonymous
    As I mentioned the last time World War Z and zombies came up on iSteve, I don't like 99% of horror, but I like zombie movies. In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient. I suspect this is true for other people as well and would explain why people who like zombie movies react more negatively to immigration.

    And the answer to this?


    The Secret Behind Trump’s Comically Bad Digital Campaign?

    ByJOSH MARSHALL Published AUGUST 22, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT
     

    Josh Marshall is an idiot.

    I posted a photo of Josh’s wife on this blog about a month ago. Josh obviously has no discernment skills.

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    • Replies: @wren
    That was picked up by heartiste. Icymi.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/the-ugly-wife-theory-of-male-shitlib-hatred-of-normal-society/
  31. I always took zombie fiction as an appeal to the intense vapidity (vapidness?) of millennial existence. We’re a generation with nothing to live for, and the zombie apocalypse provides a welcome motivation to get out of bed in the mornings. It’s sort of an inverse fantasy, though. They see themselves as zombies, and long to go back to before they were bitten.

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  32. I’ve been watching TWD from the beginning (and have watched a lot of zombie movies in my day including the Romero classics and newer films like 28 Days Later) and would say this earlier comment from gets at the heart of the matter:

    “In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient.”

    To elaborate on this point a bit, I think that what is interesting in a post-apocalypse world, the ‘tribe’ or the nation-state becomes very important. You need to know who you can trust (and who you can’t) and therefore borders (and fences!) are indeed important. Having a defensible perimeter is a constant theme of TWD, as well as having a stable system for governance.

    Thinking back to the sequel to 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, which was very well made, the central story revolves around quarantines and the morality of killing infected carriers of a virus. The parallels here with immigration are more direct, especially the ending (which I won’t spoil) which suggests immigration controls are a very, very good idea!

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  33. Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience.

    Except they almost never do. Hollywood’s too Jewish to do that. They’re usually morality tales about how great the audience has it (“misery of war,” as someone above put it). That’s why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he’s the closest I’ve ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let’s face it, there are a lot of guys who would.

    It’s also about modern ease. A lot of people like to at least muse about a challenge.

    The basic problem with making massive die-off PA scenarios morose is that a sudden, massive die-off would leave the survivors incredibly wealthy. The opposite of scarcity. So, writers have to go off the rails into stupid-land. The Road is how you do it right; the world is dying, and mankind with it.

    Chris, I’m not into horror movies either, generally speaking. I’m always thinking, “why doesn’t someone bury a hatchet in that guy’s head?” And if he’s immune to hatchets, it seems too pat, too sadistic; who wants to watch a movie where people have no chance? Psychological horror (Jacob’s Ladder, Gothica are my exception). But I like(d) TWD because it was PA (I love PA), not because it was horror. And it isn’t really horror. Not deadly enough (anon is right, it’s gore, not horror). TV doesn’t work as a horror medium unless it’s a series of one-offs, like horror movies).

    -they can be killed with plain old guns. No holy water or stakes through the heart needed. Try and find a gun range in the US that doesn’t sell zombie targets. Can’t be done.

    Zombies are now the stand-ins for bad guys in the 2nd Amendment, shooting enthusiast, etc., circles. They grabbed onto the deniability of zombies as bad guys PDQ.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "That’s why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he’s the closest I’ve ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let’s face it, there are a lot of guys who would."

    Don't you mean ZA?
    , @Chris Mallory
    "he’s the closest I’ve ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario"

    The first "modern" zombie movie, Night of the Living Dead, ended with those Pennsylvania "rednecks" having a good time shooting up the dead and putting a bullet through the head of the black survivor. One of the later movies, Diary of the Dead (?), had "rednecks" hanging the dead from an overpass/railroad trestle and using them for target practice when they weren't raping aspiring Hollywood starlets traveling the backwoods in an RV.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Speaking of someone enjoying himself in a zombie apocalypse , how about Andy the gun store owner in the excellent Dawn of the Dead (2004)?
  34. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Josh didn't understand the basic voting arithmetic that not voting for Hillary was half as valuable to the Trump campaign as voting for Trump.

    I say idiot because I take the point of his article (which I admit I only skimmed part of) to be that Trump is a terrible manager–cf putting someone with no political experience in charge of his Internet strategy.

    But as the Forbes profile of Kushner showed, Trump put a highly competent team in charge of his Internet strategy, and the fact that they had no political experience was completely irrelevant. Its irrelevancy ought to have been obvious when the question re Internet is essentially marketing and not political theory.

    Moreover–and this is the real issue–the idea that Trump is an incompetent manager is ridiculous. Highly ridiculous. Even if, after 4 years, the highly unlikely occurs and he turns out to have managed the government poorly, the assumption going in that a billionaire businessman is a poor manager remains ridiculous. The good bet is on billionaire=competent, not billionaire=incompetent. Therefore, when Trump picks an unknown to do something, the reaction ought to be, “oh, what’s this guy got going for him?”, not snickering at a “comically bad” choice.

    So, Josh Marshall’s an idiot.

    BTW, Steve, it’s already Thanksgiving over here, so

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    We have a lot to be thankful for this year. I’m going to enjoy telling my girlfriend’s parents the traditional story of Thanksgiving in all its historically questionable but thoroughly American Greatness.

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  35. Good PA shares a lot in common with Westerns (The Postman springs to mind). Untamed landscape, self-reliance, exploration, adventure, freedom of movement (zombies as plains Indians). Unfortunately, most PA is not good PA.

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  36. Or zombies may be a metaphor for a demographically aging world, in which a dwindling cadre of young people try to survive amid a growing legion of grasping, diseased old.

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  37. I don’t think TWD is well-written enough to be a metaphor for anything in particular: it barely functions as a straight survival drama. It’s kind of like the Nickelback of TV.

    The first season is definitely the best, in no small part because purposefully or not it gives a glimpse of what it would be like to have crazy rednecks, blacks, SWPL and Mexicans with no overriding loyalty to one another have to work together to live. Over the next few seasons it’s basically a “people are the real monsters” thing that we’ve all seen ad naseum.

    But the first season (six episodes if I remember correctly?) is great…they fired the writer/director that did that before season 2 started and it shows.

    The comic is somewhat better but even that has outlived its story by about two or three storylines.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Over the next few seasons it’s basically a “people are the real monsters” thing that we’ve all seen ad naseum."

    The slow walking zombies on The Walking Dead are only dangerous when they come in large numbers, like a horde. They are not a big threat in smaller numbers and on a one one basis.

    Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs. On an individual one on one basis Barack Hussein Obama's sons are a lot more dangerous than 1 zombie because they move a lot faster and their bodies are not rotting. They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.

  38. The show is much better than the comic, at least through the first 100 issues. It’s been too long for me to remember specifics, but I came away very impressed that the producers managed to salvage Kirkman’s scheisse to the extent they did.

    CBC, I don’t think simple whitelibs would have written a character like Merle (Rooker). He was an open racist (used the Ennnn-word!), but died heroically. Part of it was how popular his character became with the audience, and he basically announced that his death was a redemption story, but still, even that sounds a bridge too far for simple whitelibs. It’s worth noting that he was wholly a creation of the show; AFAICR, neither of the Dixon brothers appear in the comic.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "CBC, I don’t think simple whitelibs would have written a character like Merle (Rooker). He was an open racist (used the Ennnn-word!), but died heroically."

    Merle was a very funny racist. I LMAO when Merle said said that if a zombie eat Glenn that zombie would be hungry again an hour later. You know what they say about Asian food.
  39. @Marty
    What if The Law said you could feed one person to a pack of wolves. Would you choose Lawrence O'Donnell?

    Wouldn’t be a bad choice. Paul Ryan would also be a serious candidate.

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    Davosbane:

    Seconded (with especial nominating approval of Paul Ryan being fed to a pack of wolves)!
  40. @Burton
    Zombies are stand-ins for the elderly. They walk, communicate and stare like old people with Parkinson's or some form of dementia. Popular entertainments that feature the conscience-free killing of zombies are preparing young people for the tsunami of elderly that is about to swamp them as the boomers move into old, old age. Zombie movies teach the young that its all right to hate and fear the old. They are also telling young people that anything that walks haltingly, appears decrepit and does not communicate well is to be feared. Moreover, it is all right to kill them.

    I always took zombies to be metaphors for druggies. But I could see the elderly now as well.

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  41. @Davosbane
    Wouldn't be a bad choice. Paul Ryan would also be a serious candidate.

    Davosbane:

    Seconded (with especial nominating approval of Paul Ryan being fed to a pack of wolves)!

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  42. @Svigor

    Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience.
     
    Except they almost never do. Hollywood's too Jewish to do that. They're usually morality tales about how great the audience has it ("misery of war," as someone above put it). That's why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he's the closest I've ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let's face it, there are a lot of guys who would.

    It's also about modern ease. A lot of people like to at least muse about a challenge.

    The basic problem with making massive die-off PA scenarios morose is that a sudden, massive die-off would leave the survivors incredibly wealthy. The opposite of scarcity. So, writers have to go off the rails into stupid-land. The Road is how you do it right; the world is dying, and mankind with it.

    Chris, I'm not into horror movies either, generally speaking. I'm always thinking, "why doesn't someone bury a hatchet in that guy's head?" And if he's immune to hatchets, it seems too pat, too sadistic; who wants to watch a movie where people have no chance? Psychological horror (Jacob's Ladder, Gothica are my exception). But I like(d) TWD because it was PA (I love PA), not because it was horror. And it isn't really horror. Not deadly enough (anon is right, it's gore, not horror). TV doesn't work as a horror medium unless it's a series of one-offs, like horror movies).

    -they can be killed with plain old guns. No holy water or stakes through the heart needed. Try and find a gun range in the US that doesn’t sell zombie targets. Can’t be done.
     
    Zombies are now the stand-ins for bad guys in the 2nd Amendment, shooting enthusiast, etc., circles. They grabbed onto the deniability of zombies as bad guys PDQ.

    “That’s why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he’s the closest I’ve ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let’s face it, there are a lot of guys who would.”

    Don’t you mean ZA?

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  43. The show doesn’t mean to be about immigration, nor even subtlely a metaphor for it. However, if you notice enough, you realize it is, but much like the Wire, the writers don’t see it.

    The point of the show is that the Zombies aren’t the problem, humans are. Humans are terrible people who believe in might-makes-right. They are bad people who cling to their clans and tribes. Anyone moral will become immoral when faced with a bad enough circumstance. That’s the show’s point. The Walking Dead aren’t really the zombies. The walking dead are really the remnant protagonists who will never be able to create a workable society again.

    The protagonists make terrible decision after terrible decision, yes, because otherwise there’s no show. But for the last several seasons, it’s been clear that *they* are the refugees who go and destroy everyone they come in contact with. They aren’t a large enough society to survive on their own. They keep needing help, and they keep claiming they are the good guys, who in return will help those who help them. But anyone who takes them in/helps them/gives them shelter, in the end is totally ruined by it. They ARE the disaster, and then they ruin yet another functioning society, before they move to to the next one where they beg for help again.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The point of the show is that the Zombies aren’t the problem, humans are."

    In The Walking Dead zombies do not know how to use guns, operate rocket launchers, and operate tanks. And they do not have super Human strength. The only scenario where zombies are more dangerous than Humans is when they come at you in a horde, like say for example there is 1,000 of them coming at you at the same time. It makes sense that in most scenarios people like The Governor and Negan are more dangerous than zombies in small groups or on a individual basis. Zombies are extremely easy to kill when not in large numbers.

  44. @Svigor
    The show is much better than the comic, at least through the first 100 issues. It's been too long for me to remember specifics, but I came away very impressed that the producers managed to salvage Kirkman's scheisse to the extent they did.

    CBC, I don't think simple whitelibs would have written a character like Merle (Rooker). He was an open racist (used the Ennnn-word!), but died heroically. Part of it was how popular his character became with the audience, and he basically announced that his death was a redemption story, but still, even that sounds a bridge too far for simple whitelibs. It's worth noting that he was wholly a creation of the show; AFAICR, neither of the Dixon brothers appear in the comic.

    “CBC, I don’t think simple whitelibs would have written a character like Merle (Rooker). He was an open racist (used the Ennnn-word!), but died heroically.”

    Merle was a very funny racist. I LMAO when Merle said said that if a zombie eat Glenn that zombie would be hungry again an hour later. You know what they say about Asian food.

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    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Merle was one of the better characters. Too bad he got killed off.
  45. @Claude
    I don't think TWD is well-written enough to be a metaphor for anything in particular: it barely functions as a straight survival drama. It's kind of like the Nickelback of TV.

    The first season is definitely the best, in no small part because purposefully or not it gives a glimpse of what it would be like to have crazy rednecks, blacks, SWPL and Mexicans with no overriding loyalty to one another have to work together to live. Over the next few seasons it's basically a "people are the real monsters" thing that we've all seen ad naseum.

    But the first season (six episodes if I remember correctly?) is great...they fired the writer/director that did that before season 2 started and it shows.

    The comic is somewhat better but even that has outlived its story by about two or three storylines.

    “Over the next few seasons it’s basically a “people are the real monsters” thing that we’ve all seen ad naseum.”

    The slow walking zombies on The Walking Dead are only dangerous when they come in large numbers, like a horde. They are not a big threat in smaller numbers and on a one one basis.

    Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs. On an individual one on one basis Barack Hussein Obama’s sons are a lot more dangerous than 1 zombie because they move a lot faster and their bodies are not rotting. They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.

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    • Replies: @Lurker

    They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.
     
    But how long would they survive in conflict with well armed whites unconstrained by the rule of law, BLM etc?
    , @Perspective
    "Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs."

    Except that in TWD, nearly all of the baddies are white guys. There's also a yuuge diversity push in the show, everything from LGBTQ characters to mixed race couples. The dialogue in the show is quite shallow and lowbrow as well, only my curiosity keeps me watching it.
  46. Forget The Walking Dead. Anyone have any thoughts on the metaphorical implications of Z Nation?

    Similar premise, but (1) the plague is explained at the end of the first season, (2) there is a plot of the quest to cure the zombie plague, (3) one character (Murphy) is actually intimately connected to the zombies, efforts for a cure, and with the science that started the plague (albeit as a test subject rather than as a scientist).

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    • Replies: @TWS
    While Z-Nation is tongue in cheek it has a far more interesting plot than TWD. It is filmed on a shoe string and in Spokane of all places and yet it managed (until this season) to produce something semi-coherent.

    This season at least for my family it has been disjointed and disconnected and we've had a hard time following the action. It's as if they have the episodes mixed up.

    The Walking Dead on the other hand always has people making the worst decisions, being completely unprepared, and making no effort to really survive. These are Romero's plodding zombies that any southern boy with his .22 LR plinker would simply stack up in job-lots with a little brick of ammo and a sunny afternoon.

    Any prison goon squad with their armor and a handful of guys reloading for them could clear half the buildings in a small town in a day. By week's end they'd have a secure perimeter and in a month most counties would be 'z-free'.
  47. @Alice
    The show doesn't mean to be about immigration, nor even subtlely a metaphor for it. However, if you notice enough, you realize it is, but much like the Wire, the writers don't see it.

    The point of the show is that the Zombies aren't the problem, humans are. Humans are terrible people who believe in might-makes-right. They are bad people who cling to their clans and tribes. Anyone moral will become immoral when faced with a bad enough circumstance. That's the show's point. The Walking Dead aren't really the zombies. The walking dead are really the remnant protagonists who will never be able to create a workable society again.

    The protagonists make terrible decision after terrible decision, yes, because otherwise there's no show. But for the last several seasons, it's been clear that *they* are the refugees who go and destroy everyone they come in contact with. They aren't a large enough society to survive on their own. They keep needing help, and they keep claiming they are the good guys, who in return will help those who help them. But anyone who takes them in/helps them/gives them shelter, in the end is totally ruined by it. They ARE the disaster, and then they ruin yet another functioning society, before they move to to the next one where they beg for help again.

    “The point of the show is that the Zombies aren’t the problem, humans are.”

    In The Walking Dead zombies do not know how to use guns, operate rocket launchers, and operate tanks. And they do not have super Human strength. The only scenario where zombies are more dangerous than Humans is when they come at you in a horde, like say for example there is 1,000 of them coming at you at the same time. It makes sense that in most scenarios people like The Governor and Negan are more dangerous than zombies in small groups or on a individual basis. Zombies are extremely easy to kill when not in large numbers.

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  48. I would say it’s less of a metaphor than an actual example of a crappy horror series. For one, it’s set in the South. How long would it take for the protagonists to find caches of guns and ammo in abandoned houses or businesses, and then go to town killing zombies? I watched the first two seasons then gave up. There were way too many incidences of “what’s that strange noise? I think I’ll walk out by myself and check it out.”

    Oh and to answer your question, I never saw it as an anti immigrant metaphor, but then again, I bailed after the second season. Maybe the producers added that later.

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  49. @Jefferson
    "CBC, I don’t think simple whitelibs would have written a character like Merle (Rooker). He was an open racist (used the Ennnn-word!), but died heroically."

    Merle was a very funny racist. I LMAO when Merle said said that if a zombie eat Glenn that zombie would be hungry again an hour later. You know what they say about Asian food.

    Merle was one of the better characters. Too bad he got killed off.

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    @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    I think it's more a yearning for simpler times. There are no boring jobs in a zombie apocalypse, no mortgages, no screaming kids (unless they're being eaten by zombies), no red tape, no ridiculous laws. It's essentially a hunter gatherer lifestyle, just with more apex predators.

    I am as free as nature first made man,
    Ere the base laws of servitude began,
    When wild in woods the noble zombie ran.

    Also, the Pax Zombica. If you can’t beat them, join them. No more worries, no more fighting. Give up the struggle, relax, and find peace. They are determined and relentless, and, really, does it really matter in the end?

    According to this link, Italy, Portugal, Hungary, Spain, and the Netherlands figure quite highly WW Z box office numbers. All have, or have had, troubles with the Prophet.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/business

    WW Z apparently couldn’t get the approval of PRC censors. But Hollywood is slowly learning what China wants, China gets.

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  51. Now that I think about it, at the end of season two I remember the character Herschel out in the front yard of his farm house firing his shotgun into the encroaching zombie horde. Don’t think he was wearing a “Trump/Pence” sticker but could be wrong. :)

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  52. IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Of course. High concrete walls for me, open borders for thee.
    , @Chris Mallory

    IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe
     
    .

    Max Brooks wrote the book and I think he had a writing or producing credit on the movie. Max is Mel's son.
    , @The King is a Fink
    Great book written by Max Brooks, son of the famous Mel Brooks.

    "I don't want war! All I want is peace...peace...peace...!
    A little piece of Poland,
    A little piece of France,
    A little piece of Austria
    And Hungary, perchance!
    A little slice of Turkey
    And all that that entails,
    And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!"
     
  53. @syonredux

    I watch TWD, and I’d have to say no.
     

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.
     
    And that's why I think that The Walking Dead does work as a metaphor for the dangers of immigration. Both zombies and illegal aliens are comically easy to stop. It's only our own stupidity (willful or otherwise) that makes them a threat.

    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it’s possible. The survivors’ bumping up against the enemies I characterize as allegorically “badwhite” maybe is meant to imply that only the “bad” survive and thrive in this world of new pressures, while the “good” are mostly victims.

    Incidentally, on the subject of contemporary TV, I’ve been thinking that Breaking Bad may have been an early depiction of a few of the deep social macrotrends and butterfly effects leading to Trump.

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    Breaking Bad was an Ann Coulter favorite, FWIW.

    Haven't seen it myself.
    , @syonredux

    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it’s possible.
     
    Should have been clearer. I don't mean that anyone on TWD has intentionally fashioned it as a metaphor for illegal immigration. I'm just noting that certain aspects can be read that way.
  54. Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?
    Steak sometimes gives me a chewing problem but TWD zombies tear through flesh like nobody’s business.

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    >>Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?

    That is definitely one of the implausibilities of the show. From the looks of the zombie attacks, one would think that human victims were being devoured by herds of walking Tiger sharks. And leave aside the fact that the ghouls' teeth and gums are so rotten that they would fall out if the wind blew on them.

    Another thing that is getting me about he show: where are all the dogs? In the entire 7 years we have seen maybe two dogs. We know that humans are the only ones affected by the zombie virus, and that dogs will go the ground and gang up for protection and solidarity when human masters disappear, and it is very unlikely that zombies would catch dogs. Dogs are very skilled at avoiding slow walking, clumsy predators. I could see how dogs would be very useful in this zombie world: first line of defense, warning, companionship, etc. Nor do we see any cats, but we know that the cats would be eating corpses. Yuck. Still, the show is entertaining and I watch it every week.
  55. I thought World War Z was an obvious immigration metaphor.

    I think a lot of pop culture is like this: allegories for what is unmentionable in literal form.

    Even as a child, I could see the Planet of the Apes movies were obvious race metaphors.

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  56. @Thomas
    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it's possible. The survivors' bumping up against the enemies I characterize as allegorically "badwhite" maybe is meant to imply that only the "bad" survive and thrive in this world of new pressures, while the "good" are mostly victims.

    Incidentally, on the subject of contemporary TV, I've been thinking that Breaking Bad may have been an early depiction of a few of the deep social macrotrends and butterfly effects leading to Trump.

    Breaking Bad was an Ann Coulter favorite, FWIW.

    Haven’t seen it myself.

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  57. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Svigor
    Zombies are society turned against you. Viewers will project the enemy they prefer (though Hollywood cowards/haters are usually careful not to let the hordes reflect America's diversity, much less the world's).

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.

    How about when I say this scene depicts the last white man left in Los Angeles?
    I don’t care which group of riff raff it is.

    and the next day, and the next…

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    I truly miss Charton Heston.

    He was the Nihilist's John Wayne.
    , @syonredux
    I’ve always been rather fond of Heston’s Science Fiction Apocalypse quadrilogy from the late ’60s-early ’70s: Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green, and Omega Man.Heston, after all, had basically served as the cinematic incarnation of Western Civilization in the ’50s and ’60s. He was Moses, Michelangelo, Andrew Jackson (twice), Charles George Gordon, Mark Antony (twice), William Clark (of Lewis and Clark fame), John the Baptist, El Cid, etc.That brought a certain mythic resonance to Heston’s SF phase, a resonance that would have been largely absent if some other actor had starred in them.
    , @syonredux
    Omega Man was based on Richard Matheson's I Am Legend, and George Romero has admitted that the zombie apocalypse in Night of the Living Dead was based on the vampire apocalypse in Matheson's novel.

    And it's also possible to view I Am Legend through a population replacement lens. In a world where everyone is a vampire, the last human becomes the monster who must be slain. Swap vampire for "POC," and human for "White people"......
  58. @Svigor

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.
     
    I can say it as someone who has never been in the military, and hasn't spent a day outdoors since the eighties, and who has only read up a bit because he considers a bit of prepping a civic duty. And you're right, it's lazy writers. Only in fiction-land are people that stupid.

    I think it would be hilarious to have a show about people with normal intelligence (i.e., 2 sd above TWD characters) and psychological makeup, in the same world as TWD characters. They live a life of ease, and occasionally run into, and are bemused by, the likes of idiot Rick and his morose band. Even better, a TWD world filled with people getting along fine and just Rick & co having trouble.

    I think the producers of TWD leaned far too heavily on its comic book origins. "Hey, the original is stupid, let's stick with that."

    Svigor, I laughed so hard thinking about regular people living their life of ease and shaking their heads at Rick the idiot.

    For me the attraction is definitely the idea of starting over. I’m deliberately not watching TWD at this point, because of the lazy writing that has Rick’s group screwing up every time they find something decent.

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  59. I served in 1st Battalion, 9th Marines.

    AKA, “The Walking Dead”.

    It is one of the more storied infantry battalions in the USMC, especially about how they came to have that nickname in Vietnam, nearly a half a century before the tv series.

    The co-option of this nickname by the zombie craze has been interesting to me after several decades of having the nickname apply to something entirely different, a Marine infantry battalion.

    So it is all a bit of anomie for me.

    All Marines know about 1/9, The Walking Dead.

    BTW, General Dunford was a company commander in 1/9 when I was a shiftless lance corporal there.

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    Is there any other kind of corporal? Shiftless, I mean, not lance.
  60. @Burton
    Zombies are stand-ins for the elderly. They walk, communicate and stare like old people with Parkinson's or some form of dementia. Popular entertainments that feature the conscience-free killing of zombies are preparing young people for the tsunami of elderly that is about to swamp them as the boomers move into old, old age. Zombie movies teach the young that its all right to hate and fear the old. They are also telling young people that anything that walks haltingly, appears decrepit and does not communicate well is to be feared. Moreover, it is all right to kill them.

    ‘Zombie movies teach the young that its [sic] all right to hate and fear the old.’

    Um, no. You went full retard, sir. Never go full retard.

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  61. @Anonymous
    It's really not like World War Z, which was more plausible as a mass immigration metaphor. TWD is more in line with the traditional slasher/gore genre. The appeal is in being able to watch people get bashed with bats and stuff.

    “The appeal is in being able to watch people get bashed with bats and stuff.”

    Yup. The soap opera aspects of Walking Dead are snore-worthy. I don’t care about the characters — I just wanna watch zombies get their overripe noggins splattered.

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  62. @fnn
    Morbidly curious-what kind of work will Rick Wilson be doing in the future?

    Check bus stations, public rest rooms, and high rest stops if you really want the answer to that question.

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  63. The first people who would die in a ZA are subscribers of The Huffington Post and The New York Times because they do not know how to use guns and do not have an ounce of street smarts. They are extremely sheltered in their Hamilton and Starbucks SWPL bubble.

    The people most likely to survive a ZA are armed to the teeth Redneck Right Wing militia survivalist groups who have been preparing for a doomsday scenario for many years now.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The opening line of the excellent Zombieland is "The first to die were the fatties." (Because they couldn't outrun zombies.) I thought, no, the first to die would be liberals as they would rush to embrace this latest marginalized group, the Undead.
  64. Check out the beasts scaling the Great Wall near the end of the trailer:

    Right out of WWZ.

    Walls seem to be coming back into fashion.

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    Even the Japanese who obviously don't need walls quite like some other countries do have been getting into wall fashion.

    Arguably, one of the most popular anime of recent years was "Attack on Titan." A giant wall protects (or does it?) the locals from giants who like to eat them. Luckily, they have built walls within walls, but unfortunately for them their society has rotted from within, or something like that.

    https://youtu.be/FbQrZIGybNk

    They even made a live action version. That wasn't so good.

    https://youtu.be/InF16sp7J0M

  65. FYI, the original WWZ was pretty retarded, but especially regarding the actual military tactics. Max Brooks had no idea what he was talking about, and it showed. For example, the “turning point” that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the “zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective.”

    Let that sink in for a minute. He literally thought artillery was just giant bullets or nerf rounds or something.

    The “ending” is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine.

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    "The “ending” is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine."

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    Where would we be without Black people? We wouldn't even be able to tie our own shoes.
    , @Chris Mallory

    For example, the “turning point” that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the “zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective.”
     
    From what I remember of the book, what cost the humans that battle was the zombie's lack of fear. Artillery and air power destroyed thousands of them, but the zombies just kept coming instead of breaking and retreating. Since they were dealing with millions of dead NYC residents it just wasn't enough.
  66. @wren
    Check out the beasts scaling the Great Wall near the end of the trailer:

    https://youtu.be/avF6GHyyk5c

    Right out of WWZ.

    Walls seem to be coming back into fashion.

    Even the Japanese who obviously don’t need walls quite like some other countries do have been getting into wall fashion.

    Arguably, one of the most popular anime of recent years was “Attack on Titan.” A giant wall protects (or does it?) the locals from giants who like to eat them. Luckily, they have built walls within walls, but unfortunately for them their society has rotted from within, or something like that.

    They even made a live action version. That wasn’t so good.

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    This is a clear case where the people on the outside of the wall don't share the same culture as those within, and choose not to assimilate. Multiculturalism doesn't work here:

    https://youtu.be/w2nMN30foR8

    Or in the anime version:

    https://youtu.be/eQ1wunpxa-s

  67. I have read the comics about as far as the show is now, A friend and former co-worker let me borrow them, but I stop reading ahead about a year ago. The show goes in and out of following the comic, some characters that were killed early on in the “graphic novels” are still alive on the show and vice versa, and some plot lines that were brief in the comic lasted a whole season of the series.

    I think the main problem is that the show’s creator was dumped by AMC after the first year, and now the comic’s main writer is a co-producer of the show. He strikes as a guy that hasn’t read a lot of fiction outside of comic books. The show though does seem to be converging strongly with the comic now that he is on board.

    One improvement though is that as dumb as the characters act on the show, their opposite numbers in the comics are often incredibly emotional and unstable as well. There is also a lot more sex in the comics, which a basic cable network would have trouble getting away with.

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  68. I bailed after the first season of TWD, terrible show, badly written, characters are total dimwits who can’t even think 5 minutes ahead. And talk suffering in a era of plenty.

    I have no clue as to why it’s even popular, let alone it’s spin off. If I were to hazard a guess, it’s a mix of gore porn and people relating to the stone cold idiots in the series who keep going from one disaster to another.

    That said, given the popularity of ZA literature, I think they are a metaphor, perhaps for some looming, ever present force of destruction. Though TWD has no real popularity among preppers at all except for how not to act.

    I do know when the survivalist movement got started in the 80′s, the big fear back then was rampaging minorities coming out from the cities and looting rural areas. Today that fear hasn’t changed much. Most figure and correctly IMO, that if Uncle Sugar goes pear shaped or if the terrorists cut off electricity and water to a major city or region, the place will go nuts in short order and we’d have a real world 28 days situation.

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  69. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.
     
    How about when I say this scene depicts the last white man left in Los Angeles?
    I don't care which group of riff raff it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sPM8ugSWc

    and the next day, and the next...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMZen0UicU

    I truly miss Charton Heston.

    He was the Nihilist’s John Wayne.

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    I truly miss Charton Heston.

    He was the Nihilist’s John Wayne.
     
    When Man's reign is over and only apes are left to rule over the rubble, perhaps it would be best to end it all:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJd6pFUT6s
  70. @wren
    Even the Japanese who obviously don't need walls quite like some other countries do have been getting into wall fashion.

    Arguably, one of the most popular anime of recent years was "Attack on Titan." A giant wall protects (or does it?) the locals from giants who like to eat them. Luckily, they have built walls within walls, but unfortunately for them their society has rotted from within, or something like that.

    https://youtu.be/FbQrZIGybNk

    They even made a live action version. That wasn't so good.

    https://youtu.be/InF16sp7J0M

    This is a clear case where the people on the outside of the wall don’t share the same culture as those within, and choose not to assimilate. Multiculturalism doesn’t work here:

    Or in the anime version:

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  71. @Thomas
    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it's possible. The survivors' bumping up against the enemies I characterize as allegorically "badwhite" maybe is meant to imply that only the "bad" survive and thrive in this world of new pressures, while the "good" are mostly victims.

    Incidentally, on the subject of contemporary TV, I've been thinking that Breaking Bad may have been an early depiction of a few of the deep social macrotrends and butterfly effects leading to Trump.

    That would imply someone on the writing staff (or in the source material) with an insurgent bent. I guess it’s possible.

    Should have been clearer. I don’t mean that anyone on TWD has intentionally fashioned it as a metaphor for illegal immigration. I’m just noting that certain aspects can be read that way.

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  72. @Anon
    I truly miss Charton Heston.

    He was the Nihilist's John Wayne.

    I truly miss Charton Heston.

    He was the Nihilist’s John Wayne.

    When Man’s reign is over and only apes are left to rule over the rubble, perhaps it would be best to end it all:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJd6pFUT6s

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  73. @anon

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.
     
    How about when I say this scene depicts the last white man left in Los Angeles?
    I don't care which group of riff raff it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sPM8ugSWc

    and the next day, and the next...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMZen0UicU

    I’ve always been rather fond of Heston’s Science Fiction Apocalypse quadrilogy from the late ’60s-early ’70s: Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green, and Omega Man.Heston, after all, had basically served as the cinematic incarnation of Western Civilization in the ’50s and ’60s. He was Moses, Michelangelo, Andrew Jackson (twice), Charles George Gordon, Mark Antony (twice), William Clark (of Lewis and Clark fame), John the Baptist, El Cid, etc.That brought a certain mythic resonance to Heston’s SF phase, a resonance that would have been largely absent if some other actor had starred in them.

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    "I’ve always been rather fond of Heston’s Science Fiction Apocalypse quadrilogy from the late ’60s-early ’70s: Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green, and Omega Man."

    I believe Earthquake is Charlton Heston's most underrated film.
    https://youtu.be/aFjSMPBW9AY

    Remember the motel scene in Scarface has Earthquake playing on the television set.

  74. @Jack Hanson
    FYI, the original WWZ was pretty retarded, but especially regarding the actual military tactics. Max Brooks had no idea what he was talking about, and it showed. For example, the "turning point" that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the "zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective."

    Let that sink in for a minute. He literally thought artillery was just giant bullets or nerf rounds or something.

    The "ending" is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine.

    “The “ending” is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine.”

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    Where would we be without Black people? We wouldn’t even be able to tie our own shoes.

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    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.
     
    I was arguing with a libtard online about the manifest problems of mass 3rd world immigration and he actually told me I needed to watch COM because I would learn something. Unfrikkenbelieveable.

    I finally forced myself to watch this garbage only a few weeks ago. The central black woman saves human race part is bad enough but it's laden with non-white, SJW service.

    The original book by P.D. James may be better, not read it.

    (Weird fact: I was at school with P.D. James' grandaughter)
    , @syonredux

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.
     
    Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain's restrictive immigration policies......
  75. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Steve, you as a film critic must know that all of this Zombie nonsense started off years ago – before the era of EU ‘human rights’ mandated uncontrolled immigration – which seems to be no older than the 1990s.
    No, it started off with those god-awful George A.Romero movies in the 70s and 80s. In other words, typical Hollywood B movie exploitative tripe.
    This modern trend of EU/Merkel/Economist shitheaddery has more of the Dr. Strangelove about it, in its demented, psychotic, surreal quality.

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  76. When I hear about the thirty foot wall, I subconsciously see the exact image at the top of Steve’s post. That’s why I favour forty foot walls. I believe liberals have the same mental image of the wretched desperados easily stampeding an unattended thirty foot wall. That’s why they always pour scorn on the idea.
    But even a forty foot wall should be wide enough to be patrolled by guards; with space for fires to heat tipping-cauldrons of oil.

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  77. Before the zombie movies took off, dramatic siege movies tended to have non-whites as the attacking hordes: The Alamo, 55 Days at Peking, Khartoum, March or Die, and of course that Black Lives Matter favourite, Zulu. A lot more politically correct to use the undead.

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  78. I love the fact that Negan murdering Glenn Rhee made Asian Social Justice Warriors lose their minds and they are now accusing The Walking Dead of being a racist show. That alone makes Negan my favorite Walking Dead character of all time. I like wearing my Negan t-shirts in the 47 percent Asian zip code that I reside in.

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    Nah, if anything the show has made a martyr out of the Asian guy.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/22637-glenn-walking-dead-negan-asians-tv?client=safari
  79. @Jefferson
    "Over the next few seasons it’s basically a “people are the real monsters” thing that we’ve all seen ad naseum."

    The slow walking zombies on The Walking Dead are only dangerous when they come in large numbers, like a horde. They are not a big threat in smaller numbers and on a one one basis.

    Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs. On an individual one on one basis Barack Hussein Obama's sons are a lot more dangerous than 1 zombie because they move a lot faster and their bodies are not rotting. They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.

    They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.

    But how long would they survive in conflict with well armed whites unconstrained by the rule of law, BLM etc?

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  80. @Jefferson
    "The “ending” is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine."

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    Where would we be without Black people? We wouldn't even be able to tie our own shoes.

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    I was arguing with a libtard online about the manifest problems of mass 3rd world immigration and he actually told me I needed to watch COM because I would learn something. Unfrikkenbelieveable.

    I finally forced myself to watch this garbage only a few weeks ago. The central black woman saves human race part is bad enough but it’s laden with non-white, SJW service.

    The original book by P.D. James may be better, not read it.

    (Weird fact: I was at school with P.D. James’ grandaughter)

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    The book is so much better than the crap movie that you wouldn't even know they're supposed to be the same story. Pick up the book and you won't put it down until you've read the whole thing.

    Don't forget that PD James likes gore and horror.
  81. @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe.

    Of course. High concrete walls for me, open borders for thee.

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  82. @syonredux
    I’ve always been rather fond of Heston’s Science Fiction Apocalypse quadrilogy from the late ’60s-early ’70s: Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green, and Omega Man.Heston, after all, had basically served as the cinematic incarnation of Western Civilization in the ’50s and ’60s. He was Moses, Michelangelo, Andrew Jackson (twice), Charles George Gordon, Mark Antony (twice), William Clark (of Lewis and Clark fame), John the Baptist, El Cid, etc.That brought a certain mythic resonance to Heston’s SF phase, a resonance that would have been largely absent if some other actor had starred in them.

    “I’ve always been rather fond of Heston’s Science Fiction Apocalypse quadrilogy from the late ’60s-early ’70s: Planet of the Apes, Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green, and Omega Man.”

    I believe Earthquake is Charlton Heston’s most underrated film.
    https://youtu.be/aFjSMPBW9AY

    Remember the motel scene in Scarface has Earthquake playing on the television set.

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  83. The original Romero zombie movies were full on libtard. In the first, the intelligent black man schools the chaotic whites who are too stupid to survive. We’re also shown badwhites wiping out the zombies. The zombies are the poor misunderstood black folks.

    In the second the zombies are almost irrelevant but the real danger seems to come from – badwhites! (The bikers). The film ending with the noble black warrior cop escaping with the attractive blonde girl. No message there, eh, George. ;-)

    The Walking Dead. The band of survivors are a multiracial tribe, what else! The nominal leader is white though. But we’ve got warrior women and noble blacks. The demographics of the band are different from the US however, much less white.

    And please note the zombie horde – they are almost all white. Zombie demographics are also very different from the current US population.

    Finally any apparently functional communities we see are majority white, the whiter they are the more we know they hide an evil secret. The cannibal community for example appeared to have no black members at all, except one or two guys seen running around in the background, non-speaking extras.

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  84. @Svigor

    Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience.
     
    Except they almost never do. Hollywood's too Jewish to do that. They're usually morality tales about how great the audience has it ("misery of war," as someone above put it). That's why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he's the closest I've ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let's face it, there are a lot of guys who would.

    It's also about modern ease. A lot of people like to at least muse about a challenge.

    The basic problem with making massive die-off PA scenarios morose is that a sudden, massive die-off would leave the survivors incredibly wealthy. The opposite of scarcity. So, writers have to go off the rails into stupid-land. The Road is how you do it right; the world is dying, and mankind with it.

    Chris, I'm not into horror movies either, generally speaking. I'm always thinking, "why doesn't someone bury a hatchet in that guy's head?" And if he's immune to hatchets, it seems too pat, too sadistic; who wants to watch a movie where people have no chance? Psychological horror (Jacob's Ladder, Gothica are my exception). But I like(d) TWD because it was PA (I love PA), not because it was horror. And it isn't really horror. Not deadly enough (anon is right, it's gore, not horror). TV doesn't work as a horror medium unless it's a series of one-offs, like horror movies).

    -they can be killed with plain old guns. No holy water or stakes through the heart needed. Try and find a gun range in the US that doesn’t sell zombie targets. Can’t be done.
     
    Zombies are now the stand-ins for bad guys in the 2nd Amendment, shooting enthusiast, etc., circles. They grabbed onto the deniability of zombies as bad guys PDQ.

    “he’s the closest I’ve ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario”

    The first “modern” zombie movie, Night of the Living Dead, ended with those Pennsylvania “rednecks” having a good time shooting up the dead and putting a bullet through the head of the black survivor. One of the later movies, Diary of the Dead (?), had “rednecks” hanging the dead from an overpass/railroad trestle and using them for target practice when they weren’t raping aspiring Hollywood starlets traveling the backwoods in an RV.

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  85. @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe.

    IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe

    .

    Max Brooks wrote the book and I think he had a writing or producing credit on the movie. Max is Mel’s son.

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  86. @Jack Hanson
    FYI, the original WWZ was pretty retarded, but especially regarding the actual military tactics. Max Brooks had no idea what he was talking about, and it showed. For example, the "turning point" that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the "zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective."

    Let that sink in for a minute. He literally thought artillery was just giant bullets or nerf rounds or something.

    The "ending" is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine.

    For example, the “turning point” that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the “zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective.”

    From what I remember of the book, what cost the humans that battle was the zombie’s lack of fear. Artillery and air power destroyed thousands of them, but the zombies just kept coming instead of breaking and retreating. Since they were dealing with millions of dead NYC residents it just wasn’t enough.

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    I remember the artillery line specifically, along with the insistence that by the Army that the soldiers fight in MOPP4.

    Regardless the idea that a "horde" out in the open wouldn't be chewed up by A-10s and B-2/B-52 air strikes is fascile on its face and shows the writer did zero research.
  87. @Jefferson
    "Over the next few seasons it’s basically a “people are the real monsters” thing that we’ve all seen ad naseum."

    The slow walking zombies on The Walking Dead are only dangerous when they come in large numbers, like a horde. They are not a big threat in smaller numbers and on a one one basis.

    Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs. On an individual one on one basis Barack Hussein Obama's sons are a lot more dangerous than 1 zombie because they move a lot faster and their bodies are not rotting. They already commit a lot of crime when we live in a land of laws, imagine how much more violent crime they would commit in a lawless collapsed ZA society.

    “Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs.”

    Except that in TWD, nearly all of the baddies are white guys. There’s also a yuuge diversity push in the show, everything from LGBTQ characters to mixed race couples. The dialogue in the show is quite shallow and lowbrow as well, only my curiosity keeps me watching it.

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    "Except that in TWD, nearly all of the baddies are white guys. There’s also a yuuge diversity push in the show, everything from LGBTQ characters to mixed race couples. ?"

    Don't worry Negan took care of that mixed race couple problem. Now that Maggie is back in the dating market she can get herself a White man, lol.

  88. Walking Dead = Immigration Metaphor? No, don’t think so. Its more the general tie in between conservatives, esp the more nationalist / immigration wary types, and survivalist tendencies. Walking Dead = apocalypse, survival, guns, friends family, understanding there are real bad guys and that wishful thinking can’t cure all threats.

    BUT, of course, the show is not self conscious about those conservative themes, so it takes place in the normal PC Progressive fantasy universe that all shows take place in now. You know, the one where Women are just as much tough warriors as Men, where the reproductive role of women, even in a post apocalyptic tribal “iron age with guns” type world, is unimportant but their role as warriors is HUGE. Where enemy groups want your stuff only, not to steal the women themselves like in all primitive societies. And of course where blacks are not only the equals of everyone else intellectually, on average, but actually a bit ahead, a bit more likely to be the hero rather than villain. Apparently, even after the Zombie apocalypse, everyone is “woke” etc.

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  89. Zombie stuff works because of the massive out of whack scaling of our society (hat tip MPC). They work because we are frightened by strangers, not necessarily foreigners. We don’t know our neighbors.

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  90. @death wish
    Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience. The Western audience, only half unconsciously wants a violent end to the existing order and a new hopeful start from scratch unencumbered by the restraints of contemporary mores, the kind permitted in dealing with non-human zombie adversaries ( the elite and its foreign invader mercenaries).

    The people yearn for the freedom an apocalyptic event would permit despite the probable loss of life of loved ones. The moral, emotional, spiritual contemporary reality of 'Judaeo-Christendom' is so venal, crass, carnal, bestial, usurious, blasphemous, so succinctly an abomination, that its theater goers crave a cleansing mass death and rebirth.

    A mass market death wish.

    “A mass market death wish”

    What nonsense. People like to imagine themselves as the survivors, not the dead. More like “life wish.”

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  91. @Malcolm X-Lax
    IIRC, the guy who wrote World War Z was on Real Time with Bill Maher a couple of years back sounding VERY left-wing and Jewish on the immigration question for the US and Europe.

    Great book written by Max Brooks, son of the famous Mel Brooks.

    “I don’t want war! All I want is peace…peace…peace…!
    A little piece of Poland,
    A little piece of France,
    A little piece of Austria
    And Hungary, perchance!
    A little slice of Turkey
    And all that that entails,
    And then a bit of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales!”

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    I’ve tended to think of the rise in zombie popularity as a zeitgeist, but not necessarily about just immigration. I think its a more general feeling across the West of the good losing, dying out, everything turning to rot. That’s why Walking Dead has become such a hit. Third world immigration fits in as a part of it, but its broader than the World War Z type of zombie overthrow through sheer numbers. There’s a rise in fascination with human extinction or human apocalypse movies in general- fascination with asteroids wiping out the earth, fascination with tv shows like “Life after people”, etc.

    Everyone sees the West being destroyed but its verboten to speak about the real reasons for it. People can feel a cathartic sense of relief over these feelings being played out on the screen.

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  93. @Jefferson
    I love the fact that Negan murdering Glenn Rhee made Asian Social Justice Warriors lose their minds and they are now accusing The Walking Dead of being a racist show. That alone makes Negan my favorite Walking Dead character of all time. I like wearing my Negan t-shirts in the 47 percent Asian zip code that I reside in.
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    "Nah, if anything the show has made a martyr out of the Asian guy."

    Nah watch Asian Social Justice Warriors have a mental meltdown over Glenn Rhee being murdered and swearing off The Walking Dead forever.
    http://blog.angryasianman.com/2016/10/so-that-was-worst-episode-of-walking.html?m=1
  94. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @whorefinder
    The modern zombie craze is fueled by a couple of things:

    1. The low-T of leftist men means that killing other humans is sometimes necessary but squeamish about admitting it to themselves or to others. The high-T of Leftist women means they want to pretend to be equal to the boys in violence.

    High-T men accept that killing may be part of a duty, but Leftists cannot. This is why the Western film and war-glorifying has been deliberately killed off by Hollywood; the Leftists in charge hate the themes of men-having-to-do-unpleasant things to save society. Only war movies that show the "true misery" of war are allowed. This is also why Hollywood produces a big-budget "let's end the death penalty movie" every couple of years or so.

    Zombie movies, however, allow the Leftists an outlet for their passions. They get to have a kick-ass tough grrrl karate kicking zombies in the head while the men get to shoot them in the head--all while not "really" killing zombies, since they're already did.

    2. It has allowed the theme of "humans are worse than zombies!" to be explored, which Leftists like. The metaphor is that humans (i.e. White Westerners) are, in reality, worse than the zombie hordes(i.e. the poor oppressed non-whites).

    Almost every season of the The Walking Dead has the protagonists coming upon a seemingly well-run human utopia, only to find that the human compound is run by zealots/gangsters/cannibals. (it owes a lot to Watership Down in that regard).

    Bonus: The Walking Dead allows for a depiction of uber-masculine, sexy white bad boys (the white racists who are extremely useful in survivalist tactics, the authoritarian overlords) whose sexy masculinity is entertained for a bit before being vanquished by the "good" humans, thus allowing the females in the audience to indulge in their romantic, chained-damsel fantasies while pretending such things aren't attractive to them (I would bet the audience for it skews a lot more female than typical survivalist/action fare)

    Similarly, Land of the Dead and some teen-romantic-zombie film whose name escapes me had similar themes: zombies are just innocent creatures trying to stay alive, while we, the super-civilized, are the true bad guys with our heavy-handed "rules" and not letting them gorge upon us.

    “Almost every season of the The Walking Dead has the protagonists coming upon a seemingly well-run human utopia, only to find that the human compound is run by zealots/gangsters/cannibals. (it owes a lot to Watership Down in that regard). ”

    And every one of the worst of the worst are straight white men in TWD. The Governor, Gareth, Joe (head of the Claimers), Negan, Negan’s head henchmen, etc…

    Every once in a while, they will have a minority who is a minor underling under those bad guys, but often even those are reluctantly so. Minorities are key players among the good guys. And usually the ones who keep their humanity even while the whites are losing theirs. Sometimes so blatantly so, it was comical. Tyreese the reluctant warrior protecting a white baby from the Terminus white man who was his hostage. Glenn redeeming white Nicholas, sparing him despite his treachery. Glenn and Heath (both minorities) as the only two people who, after everything still never killed anyone, and Glenn sparing Heath from doing it.

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    The sad part about the show is that it keeps up the fiction that in a SHTF scenario somehow diversity will remain a strength uber alles (except those occasional evil racist sexy white bad boys).

    In reality, when societies go to pot, one of the first things that occurs is that people shun diversity and instantly reorganize on race/ethnic/clannish bases. Look at the former Yugoslavia or Iraq when disorder was introduced into the situation.

    I avoid most Hollywood end-of-civilization entertainment because they feed into the nonsense of diversity and feminism holding sway in such situations. (See the recent Mad Max for a representation of the latter, the butt-kicking babe extraordinaire!).

    It's utterly foolish, because so many impressionable young people think that it's true, and then if they end up in such a situation (e.g. volunteering in Hati after the earthquake, working with "refugees" in Calais or Germany or Sweden, working for aid foundations in Africa), they will inevitably face some extremely harsh truths about race and gender up close and personal.
  95. @Jefferson
    "The “ending” is that a black guy from Africa (of course) has an innovative new tactic where two rows of people stand shoulder to shoulder and walk across the country shooting zombies as they go. So basically Napoleonic tactics with assault rifles. Absolutely ridiculous book, but when your daddy is Mel Brooks editors tend to return your query letters, I imagine."

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    Where would we be without Black people? We wouldn't even be able to tie our own shoes.

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.

    Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain’s restrictive immigration policies……

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    If only those immigration policies were 'restrictive'.
    , @Jefferson
    "Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain’s restrictive immigration policies……"

    Children Of Men was the beginning of Chiwetel Ejiofor being cast as the nobel token Magic Negro that every White Liberal loves. He has a made a shitload of money being typecast as that same character over and over again.
  96. I don’t think TWD was a metaphor for immigration. The zombies aren’t “running over the wall,” they just wander around aimlessly until they see humans and are easy for the characters to kill.(Yet, despite dropping like flies, they are always numerous.) If it appealed to right-wing people, more likely it was because of its “survival of the fittest” setting. The protagonists encounter band after band where the focus is entirely on killing others so you can steal their stuff. A realistic scenario would have less of that, as trying to kill people is risky and other people are generally worth more to you alive than dead. Even unskilled weaklings, there would be lots of grunt-work to do in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

    I thought the series was good until about the 4th season, after which it became a typical TV mediocrity. FTWD is similarly bad. Particularly annoying is the overuse of “character X goes crazy” as a plot device. While you’d expect some of that in an apocalyptic scenario, the given character’s craziness always stops short of actually harming themselves or others and once it stops, it is never mentioned by any of the other characters again.

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    @syonredux

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.
     
    Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain's restrictive immigration policies......

    If only those immigration policies were ‘restrictive’.

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  98. @anon

    Liberals see rednecks, conservatives see liberals, white ethnopatriots see the rising tide, Jews see Cossacks, survivalists see the unprepared, cold warriors see commies, Commies see imperialist running dogs, etc.
     
    How about when I say this scene depicts the last white man left in Los Angeles?
    I don't care which group of riff raff it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sPM8ugSWc

    and the next day, and the next...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMZen0UicU

    Omega Man was based on Richard Matheson’s I Am Legend, and George Romero has admitted that the zombie apocalypse in Night of the Living Dead was based on the vampire apocalypse in Matheson’s novel.

    And it’s also possible to view I Am Legend through a population replacement lens. In a world where everyone is a vampire, the last human becomes the monster who must be slain. Swap vampire for “POC,” and human for “White people”……

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    “…he actually told me I needed to watch COM because I would learn something.”

    A good number of the modern world’s problems might be due to confusing fiction with reality. It’s _fiction_. Make-believe. Might as well believe in magic. Perhaps some people think the “vision” or the belief is more important than reality.

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  100. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Often, horror is less a metaphor of than a diversion from the true horror.

    What is more horrible in America than black violence?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JB7uIASXSQ

    But horror makes us pretend that the most frightful threat is some weird fantastical creatures.
    Such are appealing because PC says we cannot have negative view of blacks.
    People want to fear something — part of human nature — , and when they are not allowed to fear the real threat, their fears must be directed at something else.

    Sometimes, horror is an allegory of what is happening.
    It’s like we know the satirical of the livestock in Animal Farm.

    But sometimes horror is just escapism to take our minds off the true horror of reality.

    PC is a horror fantasy that makes us believe KKK and Neo-Nazis are stalking every street when the biggest threat to public safety comes from black and when the biggest war-mongers & mass-killers since the end of war mongers have been AIPAC supremacists.

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    Is it possible that some level of ‘fear of zombies’ is similar to fear of snakes and spiders and is built-into mammal brains (and older than humans), as a mechanism to respond to deadly contagious disease? What’s a little mammal to do when all the other little mammals have rabies, leprosy, the Black Death, and so on?

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  102. It’s never just a tv show or movie.
    As for Shatner, for just being a tv show he sure as hell milked it for all it’s worth for decades.

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  103. @Chris Mallory

    For example, the “turning point” that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the “zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective.”
     
    From what I remember of the book, what cost the humans that battle was the zombie's lack of fear. Artillery and air power destroyed thousands of them, but the zombies just kept coming instead of breaking and retreating. Since they were dealing with millions of dead NYC residents it just wasn't enough.

    I remember the artillery line specifically, along with the insistence that by the Army that the soldiers fight in MOPP4.

    Regardless the idea that a “horde” out in the open wouldn’t be chewed up by A-10s and B-2/B-52 air strikes is fascile on its face and shows the writer did zero research.

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  104. The creator of The Walking Dead is decidedly Liberal. But Liberals have a tendency to stumble into unpleasant truths. When they realize what they’ve done, they try to refashion what they’ve done. I think that explains the TV show (I have never read any comic book for adults) moving back and forth, with bleeding heart Liberal attitudes lionized for saving our humanity and then revealed to be responsible for deaths that could have been avoided. The arch-villians are always white males. Blacks are shown at least 3 to 1 being on the side of ‘the good guys’ and often are the moral standards. In Atlanta, a mestiso (more black than AmIndian) group is not a murderous criminal gang, but rather a welfare outfit to care for their elderly. I’ve been told that in the comic books Feminism comes to reign and offers peaceful stability. against the white male patriarchy of evil.

    That is what you would expect from the mind of a Beta male with Asbergery traits.

    I think the show is about violent crime and welfare and mass immigration and PC. I think it most interesting that the show’s most popular character, Darryl, is not in the comics. Darryl is Southern poor white to the max: no hint of ‘higher education,’ a natural hunter, tells it like it is. Middle Americans know somewhere deep inside that real world Darryls explored with Daniel Boone and died at the Alamo, that they became the Alvin C. York’s and Audie Murphys, that they are absolutely necessary to the country continuing being worthwhile.

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  105. If we’re reading zombie-end-of-the-world movies through the racial lens, the final sequence of The Road is interesting. Black guy robs whites of their stuff, whites hunt him down and steal all his stuff, but then white son says “that’s mean” so they leave the black guy’s stuff for him while retaining the stuff he originally stole. The incarnation of evil in the film is hillbilly white cannibals, but the incarnation of goodness is a lily-white traditional family with a freakin golden retriever.

    I have no idea how to read it. But McCarthy seems to be relatively apolitical. Evil is equal opportunity in his books. In Blood Meridian, the whites and the Injuns are both portrayed as cruel.

    28 Days Later also bucks easy racial analogy. That one turns on the fear of being unable to get out of a zombie-infected zone rather than trying to find a way to keep the zombies out. The immigration metaphor generally breaks down.

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    Zombies might a positive model for the future from a proggy viewpoint.

    After all, all zombies bleed red and eat humans.

    They don’t see color and aren’t tribal.

    Jews and Palestinians might not see eye to eye.
    Nations may hate one another.
    But all zombies, like the pod folks of INVASION OF BODY SNATCHERS, get along.

    A Jewish zombie and Palestinian zombie get along. Both feed on the same human flesh.

    A Muslim, homo, Negro, Zionist, Asian, white nationalist, feminist, and etc might not trust one another and even hate one another… like the characters in the same elevator in THE DEVIL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYy7igKD21A

    But if they all turned zombie, they would tolerate each other and even cooperate to hunt down the last human for a feast.

    The irony of DAWN OF THE DEAD and its predecessor is that even though zombies are horrible and gruesome, they get along with each other. They are primal but not tribal. They are driven by hunger but not by identity, territory, and ego.
    In contrast, the humans in the house are bickering and even plotting against one another. It’s esp nasty between Archie Bunker and Lionel. Humans are the ones who cannot operate.

    So, maybe zombers are not so much about immigration but massive race-mixing. Once everyone around the globe becomes mixed and racially devoured into mulatto-mestizo-swarth-ness, they lose identity, history, and sense of territory in a world of open borders. Indeed, the very concept of immigration will be passe since all nations will be part of ONE WORLD. If US, Canada, and Mexico were part of one world, it’s just migration, not immigration.

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    Diversity seeks to hunt down every last unique race, nation, and single-raced person.
    It’s like zombies all tolerate each other but must hunt down the last human for devouring or conversion(zombie bite turns them into zombie).
    Indeed, zombies are funny that way. They will go totally wild to kill and devour a human… but the second he turns zombie, they leave him alone.
    It’s like bikers all wanna kill peewee but embrace him as one of their own when he acts totally wild.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z0VMI67a4Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVAx1n1QFw

    In DAWN, the very guy the zombies were trying to kill turn zombie, and they join together to go after the remaining humans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6d8xC1OfgA

    Zombie metaphor, like INVASION, is frightening because the very person who was on your side and fought alongside you will turn totally against you and kill you.
    Even the closest family member will turn enemy. It no longer knows you. It is like alzheimer’s disease. But then,if you and your worst enemy turn zombie, you will tolerate each other and even cooperate to kill humans.

    Each child is like a zombie since kids are born without memory. So, their minds can be filled with anti-white PC, and they can attack parents and own kind.

    I think INVASION is more unnerving if less gruesome because the pods have altered souls. They believe in the new way. They are zealots.
    In contrast, zombies are mindless. They just function according to primal drive of hunger. They have no sense of anything.

    Pods are true-believers in the need to turn everyone into a pod.
    Though pods don’t feed on human flesh and never even try to kill people, there is physical pain in INVASION too because the lack of sleep is one of the most painful things. Any torture victim can tell you that.
    But the irony is the pods want you to go to sleep and have a nice rest. They want you to relax with the opiate of sleep. It is yourself that is forcing yourself to stay awake because you want to remain yourself. You want to remain human… but that is also ironic since the pods are more ‘humane’ in some ways. They get along and work together in peace and don’t have natural drives that lead to hate, suspicion, distrust. A Negro pod would act nice than like a rapper. That might not so bad bad. Turn all black criminals into pods. They will be nice like Alex in CLOCKWORK.

    World War Z is strange in that much of Jewish power wants to turn the entire world into a melting pot or mudslide of gentile zombism. Jewish globalists feel that Jews can operate more effectively all over the world if all goyim were to lose their sense of identity, territory, history. Thus, the tribal defenses against globalism will fade away in every nation.

    OTOH, if all goyim turn zombic, might not they all direct their ire against Israel, the only identity-state left?

    It’s the Jewish-Diversity Paradox.
    While it is true that the zombification of the world will reduce barriers for Jewish power — Jew might now own Russia and Hungary if not for nationalism and territorialism — , the danger is “what is the zombified masses around the world notice Jews as the last ‘racist’ identity that must also be devoured/converted?”

    So, the biggest boon to the Jews could also be the biggest baboon that comes to bite their ass.

    The Jewish Boon-Baboon Paradox.

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  107. Merle was a very funny racist. I LMAO when Merle said said that if a zombie eat Glenn that zombie would be hungry again an hour later. You know what they say about Asian food.

    Yeah, it’s a great joke, because it’s adaptable to many scenarios. First place I heard it used was by another great bad guy, in Payback.

    Rooker’s a funny guy. He was good in Guardians of the Galaxy.

    (P.S., PA = Post-Apocalyptic)

    In The Walking Dead zombies do not know how to use guns, operate rocket launchers, and operate tanks. And they do not have super Human strength. The only scenario where zombies are more dangerous than Humans is when they come at you in a horde, like say for example there is 1,000 of them coming at you at the same time. It makes sense that in most scenarios people like The Governor and Negan are more dangerous than zombies in small groups or on a individual basis. Zombies are extremely easy to kill when not in large numbers.

    The funny thing is that they’re more dangerous in the show than they should be. The military would have had no trouble surviving intact. As for civilians, 1,000 rounds of .22 lr weighs about 7 lbs, and if fired from a suppressed barrel under 4.5 inches (or so), a round makes very little sound. It’s the most common ammo in America, and given a massive die-off, would be found in abundance.

    Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?
    Steak sometimes gives me a chewing problem but TWD zombies tear through flesh like nobody’s business.

    The topics of hilarity on TWD are endless. Zombies bite (and claw) through denim like it’s tissue paper, but their skulls are as soft as wax. They also have the superhuman ability to move stealthily through the woods, like most people in Hollywoodland. In real life, things sound about 10x their size while moving through the woods. Darryl the “self-reliant country boy” can’t bring in enough small game to feed even himself (protip: given low/no pressure from human population, feeding everyone in the group would be like falling off a log. Snares recommended.).

    Svigor, I laughed so hard thinking about regular people living their life of ease and shaking their heads at Rick the idiot.

    For me the attraction is definitely the idea of starting over. I’m deliberately not watching TWD at this point, because of the lazy writing that has Rick’s group screwing up every time they find something decent.

    :). It’s uncanny, how determined the writers are to ignore their survivalist audience. It’s obviously a conscious decision.

    Yup. The soap opera aspects of Walking Dead are snore-worthy. I don’t care about the characters — I just wanna watch zombies get their overripe noggins splattered.

    Which is why I think a version of TWD with non-idiot characters could work. Something more like Zombieland.

    For example, the “turning point” that led to the downfall of the US or something, the Battle of Yonkers I think, was lost because the “zombies were packed too closely together for artillery to be effective.”

    Yeah, SWPLs are dumb. “Lord, please don’t let my enemies bunch together.”

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  108. If Rick had any brains, he would have killed the surgeon’s wife, not the surgeon. He would have beaten his son into submission early on. He would have entered Terminus alone, planning to lead any captors into an ambush. Etc. Rick is easily the stupidest “leader” on television. His stupidity is exceeded only by his followers, who should have killed him long ago.

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    I can't believe you guys are actually watching this stuff.
  109. “I don’t have cable TV so I’ve never seen The Walking Dead. Is it a metaphor for immigration?”

    I respond to Steve.

    I would say “no” the Walking Dead Zombie hordes are not a metaphor for mass immigration, more a metaphor for the collapsed urban American populations, the Black underclass. The Zombies are not aliens from some other place invading us, they’re people that were once sort of us, Americans who used to do things like get married, get some jobs, try to speak standard English and not generally destroy everything nice of ours and kill us like the BlackLiesMatter mobs in Ferguson MO.

    That’s my take.

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  110. TWD, and product like it, are most interesting in terms of what their producers project. They get things almost exactly backwards. In a massive die-off scenario, people are the most valuable thing around, not the source of all misery. The value of labor goes through the roof, while the value of goods plummets. Surgeons, for example, are gold. Anyone who kills a surgeon is public enemy #1. In a zombie apocalypse, people would become much more cooperative, not much less. Life for an educated populace would be much easier than it was for medieval people. Etc.

    TWD is an inverse survival test; the stupider you think Rick & co. are, the better your survival skills.

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    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    It's insane the way they bicker and squabble their way through every encounter. Plus the morose self-pity is endless.

    It's like that Spielberg mini-series The Pacific where you have to marvel that the Yanks were ever able to mount a beachhead let alone win the war if that's truly the way they carried on.
    , @guest
    Of course, there would be strife between humans, but Walking Dead barely shows you the most obvious ways that would happen. Pretty much every gang is interracial, for no reason. They have hinted at rape, but no one appears to be fighting over women. Except on a love-triangle basis, person to person.

    Negan, the Big, Bad Villain this year is shown extorting vegetables from people, but he never takes the first thing an army of bandits would have their eyes on (assuming they had a basic level water, food,and shelter): women. Supposedly he has some code against rape, although I'd describe his bargain with another character as rape.
  111. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    I’ve been noticing for years now how almost everywhere — tv, movies, novels, etc and almost all the time lazy writers use awe inspiring stupidity to move their plot in the desired direction. It reminds me of some of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfdePunJFU

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  112. @Burton
    Zombies are stand-ins for the elderly. They walk, communicate and stare like old people with Parkinson's or some form of dementia. Popular entertainments that feature the conscience-free killing of zombies are preparing young people for the tsunami of elderly that is about to swamp them as the boomers move into old, old age. Zombie movies teach the young that its all right to hate and fear the old. They are also telling young people that anything that walks haltingly, appears decrepit and does not communicate well is to be feared. Moreover, it is all right to kill them.

    No! You are thinking of “The Cabin in the Woods”, a movie which is an obvious political allegory of how the Baby Boomer establishment is ruthlessly plundering succeeding generations for its own benefit.

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  113. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    I don’t doubt you but I don’t care to watch the show so please provide examples of said stupidity, if you desire.

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  114. @Lurker

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.
     
    I was arguing with a libtard online about the manifest problems of mass 3rd world immigration and he actually told me I needed to watch COM because I would learn something. Unfrikkenbelieveable.

    I finally forced myself to watch this garbage only a few weeks ago. The central black woman saves human race part is bad enough but it's laden with non-white, SJW service.

    The original book by P.D. James may be better, not read it.

    (Weird fact: I was at school with P.D. James' grandaughter)

    The book is so much better than the crap movie that you wouldn’t even know they’re supposed to be the same story. Pick up the book and you won’t put it down until you’ve read the whole thing.

    Don’t forget that PD James likes gore and horror.

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  115. @anonguy
    I served in 1st Battalion, 9th Marines.

    AKA, "The Walking Dead".

    It is one of the more storied infantry battalions in the USMC, especially about how they came to have that nickname in Vietnam, nearly a half a century before the tv series.

    The co-option of this nickname by the zombie craze has been interesting to me after several decades of having the nickname apply to something entirely different, a Marine infantry battalion.

    So it is all a bit of anomie for me.

    All Marines know about 1/9, The Walking Dead.

    BTW, General Dunford was a company commander in 1/9 when I was a shiftless lance corporal there.

    Is there any other kind of corporal? Shiftless, I mean, not lance.

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  116. @fnn
    Morbidly curious-what kind of work will Rick Wilson be doing in the future?

    “Morbidly curious-what kind of work will Rick Wilson be doing in the future?”

    Selling his collection of anime-porn.

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  117. @comic book czar
    It should be noted that, of horror genres, zombie/mutant is the most overtly progressive and prone to fretting about progressive fetishes, in spite of the survivalism fulcrum (though the particular outsized influence of George Romero is undoubtedly a contributor to the bias). TWD is clearly the product of standard-run whiteliberal creators; many examples from the show back this up, but I remember the Michael Rooker semi-villain character anachronistically sneering about "Democrats" which was strange for a supposed Vietnam-vet good ol' boy from the N. Georgia hillsides; OTOH maybe it was a tribute to Zell Miller. The writers do seem to have a barely concealed Nietzschean/male concept of power relations which, as in (male whitelib written) "Game of Thrones", occasionally yields very problematic plot developments.

    OTOH maybe it was a tribute to Zell Miller.

    Clever reference, definitely.

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  118. @Perspective
    "Since this takes place in former slave states of the South like Georgia and Virginia, I would be more worried about bumping into Black thugs."

    Except that in TWD, nearly all of the baddies are white guys. There's also a yuuge diversity push in the show, everything from LGBTQ characters to mixed race couples. The dialogue in the show is quite shallow and lowbrow as well, only my curiosity keeps me watching it.

    “Except that in TWD, nearly all of the baddies are white guys. There’s also a yuuge diversity push in the show, everything from LGBTQ characters to mixed race couples. ?”

    Don’t worry Negan took care of that mixed race couple problem. Now that Maggie is back in the dating market she can get herself a White man, lol.

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  119. @syonredux

    Have you ever watched the movie Children Of Men? A Black woman saves Mankind from going extinct.
     
    Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain's restrictive immigration policies......

    “Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain’s restrictive immigration policies……”

    Children Of Men was the beginning of Chiwetel Ejiofor being cast as the nobel token Magic Negro that every White Liberal loves. He has a made a shitload of money being typecast as that same character over and over again.

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    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.
  120. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Harry Baldwin
    I think the zombie fantasy has more to do with unspoken fear of a race war than it does with concerns about immigration. It also related to the survivalist movement that has been around since the 1970s, which stresses preparation for the inevitable collapse of civilization.

    There is high performance ammunition marketed as zombie ammunition, there are zombie targets sold, and there are any number of firearms accessories, such as telescopic sights, marketed as anti-zombie gear. The annual SHOT Show, a trade show for the shooting industry, used to be loaded with this stuff, though I think it has passed its peak as a fad.

    Zombie ammo: http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/zombiemax

    Yes. TWD is a primer for surviving Civil War 2

    1) In the first season, it’s made clear that the government cannot help you. You’re on your own.

    2) The zombies are a metaphor for the underclass of all races. They are pitiless. They cannot be reasoned or bargained with. They literally want to consume you. But they are mindless, and can be dealt with.

    3) More dangerous are the living. Especially if they learn to control the dead for their own purposes. Group identity trumps common humanity time after time.

    4) All you have, at the end, is family and friends. Keep them safe, and hope they do the same for you. Group loyalty is key.

    Paul Mendez

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  121. Congressman John Culberson Set Up a Kill Switch on Sanctuary City Funding.
    Their Federal funds can be pulled the day DJT is inaugurated. Yes, big mouth Rahm Emanuel, Wilhelm DiBlasio and their ilk can be left and high and dry for non-compliance, for violating Federal law.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/congressman-john-culberson-set-up-a-kill-switch-on-sanctuary-city-funding
    list of largest sanctuary cities ____________ https://goo.gl/7HkTYY

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    Oh man, this will be great. Sanctuary cities are an absolute outrage.
  122. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter.

    100%!

    We’ve had family discussions about this show where each person has to determine the best strategy for survival given the metrics of these zombies: can’t identify you if covered in zombie skin, attracted to noise, can’t swim, extremely slow moving, poor eyesight, no sense of smell other than for some reason not able to distinguish someone covered zombie skin.

    1st season Rick discovered that zombie skin is 100% foolproof way of evading zombies yet never uses this tactic again till several seasons later.

    Never seeks an island as refuge and stronghold from which to make sweeps of outlying areas.

    Doesn’t use noise as diversion to create choke point for mass slaughter of zombies.

    Doesn’t use fire-stick farming methods.

    Likes to leave weakest members of group under sustained zombie attack whilst best hunters go off on individual jaunts of no tactical purpose.

    List could go on. Stupid show.

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    To be fair, not covering yourself in zombie guts is more realistic, because if you did that you'd never stop vomiting. Plus, I think it'd be too risky infection-wise.

    On the show, it's more a problem of consistency. The audience knows they have that trick in their pocket, but they rarely pull it out, even when it'd be useful. When they do pull it out, I always wonder why they don't do it more often. It's used as a magic wand when the show has written itself into a corner.

    As for the noise distraction, I think they have done something like that, more or less as you describe. Not very often. Mostly they use diversions and bait to run away rather than kill them.

  123. @Svigor
    TWD, and product like it, are most interesting in terms of what their producers project. They get things almost exactly backwards. In a massive die-off scenario, people are the most valuable thing around, not the source of all misery. The value of labor goes through the roof, while the value of goods plummets. Surgeons, for example, are gold. Anyone who kills a surgeon is public enemy #1. In a zombie apocalypse, people would become much more cooperative, not much less. Life for an educated populace would be much easier than it was for medieval people. Etc.

    TWD is an inverse survival test; the stupider you think Rick & co. are, the better your survival skills.

    It’s insane the way they bicker and squabble their way through every encounter. Plus the morose self-pity is endless.

    It’s like that Spielberg mini-series The Pacific where you have to marvel that the Yanks were ever able to mount a beachhead let alone win the war if that’s truly the way they carried on.

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  124. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Chrisnonymous
    As I mentioned the last time World War Z and zombies came up on iSteve, I don't like 99% of horror, but I like zombie movies. In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient. I suspect this is true for other people as well and would explain why people who like zombie movies react more negatively to immigration.

    And the answer to this?


    The Secret Behind Trump’s Comically Bad Digital Campaign?

    ByJOSH MARSHALL Published AUGUST 22, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT
     

    Josh Marshall is an idiot.

    “In zombie movies, I am not interested in the blood and gore aspect, but the sense of siege mentality they usually produce is salient.”

    Zombie movies are effective only in the incarnation of the Zombie outbreak.

    Once that is established, it just degenerates into a gore-fest.

    That’s why I like NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD and DIARY OF THE DEAD, a reboot in the social networking age. NIGHT is about isolation of horror. DIARY is about communication of horror.

    With the initial outbreak, we can understand why the zombies have an advantage. People have no idea what is happening. They are clueless as to why strange-acting folks are acting the way they are. People don’t know that the dead are walking and feeding on humans. So, people get ambushed here and there, and zombie-ness spreads as survivors of zombie-bites eventually turn zombie themselves.

    BUT, once the information gets out, the government and everyone with guns will quickly mobilize and take out most zombies and keep a vigilant eye on a newly-deads. It would be like the ending of NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD where the patrols easily wipe out all the zombies. Once people organize, the zombies have no chance.

    DAWN has a special place for me because how I got to see it, but it makes no sense that the zombies are beginning to take over entire communities. (Maybe it would make sense in a non-technological community without guns.)
    I mean how can slow-moving zombies take over town after town when so many Americans are well-armed and have the backing of the US military? (WWZ makes more sense in this regard because those zombies run and run fast and cooperate like killer ants. But it is also less scary because zombies are so athletic. The creepy Nosferatu-shadowy and Dr. Caligari-lurking element is missing. )

    As graphic and gory as the genre is, the real fright derives from the fact that the phenomenon is happening at all. Why is the dead coming back to ‘life’? And why are they eating human flesh?

    I think people who saw NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD when it first came out were scared mostly by that strange feeling that something that shouldn’t be happening is really happening.

    But once the flesh-eating zombie became a genre, it just turned into a contest of gore(for zombies eating humans) and fun & thrills(how many zombies can you kill with badass guns like in video games). RESIDENT EVIL isn’t even horror though it is zombie galore. No one watches it to be scared. It’s just killer-babes running around mowing down zombies. It is pure action.

    But zombies are interesting to many people because anyone can project his own ideas on what they are about. Since zombies are so mindless, this vacuum allows us to fill in the blanks.

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    So, zombies can be us, consumers, Jews, Nazis, victims, oppressors, ‘white trash’, blacks, revolutionaries, anarchists, communists, pagans, animals, etc.

    The most disturbing thing about zombie movies is that they give the ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ — all humans in fact — the green light and moral justification to blow away all these creatures. It’d be terribly evil to wipe out an entire people with machine guns. That’d be Nazi-like. BUT, if those people turned zombie, we can go full-rambo on them and blow them away with glee.

    Zombies are dehumanized humans. In zombie movies, they are real threats because they feed on humans. But the very conception — that entire populations are irredeemable and deplorable sub-humans who are a threat to our order — gives us the justification to blow them away without any remorse whatsoever. We can be ‘good nazi SS’ against zombies. We can exterminate them at will and have tons of fun.

    The moral problem occurs ONLY when the zombie happens to be someone close to you. It’s like the moment in SHAUN OF THE DEAD when the mother zombie has to be killed. And the saddest moment in DAWN OF THE DEAD is when the Negro has to kill his friend who dies and reawakens as a zombie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbrN51dPm0I

    Another interesting thing about Zombie movies is the shifting politics of alliance.
    In DAWN, all humans initially hate Zombies and kill them and do everything to keep the zombies out. We can’t imagine anyone siding with zombies or finding them useful.

    But when bikers break into the shopping mall, zombies become almost like allies of the leading characters. And even though we’d rooted for any human who killed zombies earlier, we sort of take delight in the zombies killing and devouring the biker thugs who are messing up the domain of the leading characters.

    It’s like the Cossack Wars in Ukraine. Even though Cossacks feared and loathed Tartars, they hired the Asiatic thugs to fight the Polish aristocrats. And later when the Swedes, Turks, and Russians attacked Poland, Lithuanians and Poles also recruited Tartar thugs, at least according to THE DELUGE by Sienkiewicz.

    There is also a scene in ANDREI RUBLEV where the two Russian prince-brothers hate each other so much that one brother allies with Tartars to sack the town of his brother.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rti73hyuSX8

    That sort of mentality governs the politics of the West. The globo-elites hate white nativists so much that they are willing to use mass-invaders to destroy white folks.
    The globo elites don’t care that Muslims are mowing people down with trucks. Merkel doesn’t care that Muslims go around messing up Germany. As long as they can be used against the native ‘nazis’, the invasive mobs are useful.

    Zombies are frightful to all humans, but when it turns into a contest of humans vs humans, some humans might use zombies against their enemy humans.

    One of the most interesting ‘zombie’ films is RABID. It is an allegory of the frightful power unleashed by the friction of the Semitic and Aryan. A Jewish doctor operates on blonde Aryan woman, and all hell breaks loose.

    Similar theme in Cronenberg’s DANGEROUS METHOD where Aryan and Semite rub against one another. Two powerful ways of seeing the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMliEoJIi8

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  125. @Svigor
    TWD, and product like it, are most interesting in terms of what their producers project. They get things almost exactly backwards. In a massive die-off scenario, people are the most valuable thing around, not the source of all misery. The value of labor goes through the roof, while the value of goods plummets. Surgeons, for example, are gold. Anyone who kills a surgeon is public enemy #1. In a zombie apocalypse, people would become much more cooperative, not much less. Life for an educated populace would be much easier than it was for medieval people. Etc.

    TWD is an inverse survival test; the stupider you think Rick & co. are, the better your survival skills.

    Of course, there would be strife between humans, but Walking Dead barely shows you the most obvious ways that would happen. Pretty much every gang is interracial, for no reason. They have hinted at rape, but no one appears to be fighting over women. Except on a love-triangle basis, person to person.

    Negan, the Big, Bad Villain this year is shown extorting vegetables from people, but he never takes the first thing an army of bandits would have their eyes on (assuming they had a basic level water, food,and shelter): women. Supposedly he has some code against rape, although I’d describe his bargain with another character as rape.

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  126. @Pat Hannagan
    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter.

    100%!

    We've had family discussions about this show where each person has to determine the best strategy for survival given the metrics of these zombies: can't identify you if covered in zombie skin, attracted to noise, can't swim, extremely slow moving, poor eyesight, no sense of smell other than for some reason not able to distinguish someone covered zombie skin.

    1st season Rick discovered that zombie skin is 100% foolproof way of evading zombies yet never uses this tactic again till several seasons later.

    Never seeks an island as refuge and stronghold from which to make sweeps of outlying areas.

    Doesn't use noise as diversion to create choke point for mass slaughter of zombies.

    Doesn't use fire-stick farming methods.

    Likes to leave weakest members of group under sustained zombie attack whilst best hunters go off on individual jaunts of no tactical purpose.

    List could go on. Stupid show.

    To be fair, not covering yourself in zombie guts is more realistic, because if you did that you’d never stop vomiting. Plus, I think it’d be too risky infection-wise.

    On the show, it’s more a problem of consistency. The audience knows they have that trick in their pocket, but they rarely pull it out, even when it’d be useful. When they do pull it out, I always wonder why they don’t do it more often. It’s used as a magic wand when the show has written itself into a corner.

    As for the noise distraction, I think they have done something like that, more or less as you describe. Not very often. Mostly they use diversions and bait to run away rather than kill them.

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  127. I agree with others on this thread who’ve said The Walking Dead is not a allegory about uncontrolled immigration. Not is it about the EBT card underclass. Zombies, in this particular form, have only been around for a few decades, so I don’t know if everyone agrees on what they’re all about. Fear of dead bodies and disease, obviously. Fear of natural predators and herds of dangerous animals, probably. Fear of crowds, I’d say.

    The popularity of Zombie Apocalypse stories are more about the apocalypse part than the zombie part, but people do get a kick out of the monster itself. I’ve read Richard Matheson’s novella “I Am Legend,” which is about vampires but I have on good authority was Romero’s source for Dead movies. That book is in the Last Man on Earth genre, and its major appeal is in the “What would you do in the apocalypse?” vein. It features a man of science trying to get along on his own and understand his enemies and what’s happened to the world.

    The Walking Dead is on a lower level, artistically and intellectually, though its main appeal, I think, is also “What would you do in the apocalypse?” It’s an action-horror show, though more character-driven than they usually are. Or I should say used to be more characters-driven. Now they drift from one bad guy or one threat to another, with little rhyme or reason.

    You can read any and everything you want into it, politically. But it does have a certain undeniable rightist appeal, no matter how PC is the telling (which it is, naturally). You have an uncompromising world, which weeds out the weak quickly. People’s mistakes come back to bite them (literally), quickly and decisively. Gangs are led by the natural superior, in courage, fighting, hunting, scavenging, intelligence, experience, etc. None of the groups have their priorities straight, especially regarding women (the human race could die out, but they have young, attractive, fertile women fighting on the front lines), but they all have strict hierarchies. There’s a tribal, Us versus Them attitude, with little room for compromise over ideals higher than getting along.

    It appeals specifically to survivalists and members of the “gun culture,” for obvious reasons. It also has a certain appeal to believers in the Decline of the West. The idea that our civilization will collapse, slowly or swiftly, whatever we do, and wouldn’t it be fun/horrible to start fresh? I have a feeling this is the secret (or not-so-secrer for the peculiarly honest) desire of environmentalists, for instance. It’s the explicit desire of many an enemy of the Mass Man. Or Last Man, in Nietzsche’s terminology.

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    I don't agree that "Nor is it about the EBT card underclass." Maybe it is with some people, but if you hang around people who have semiautomatic rifles and lots of ammo, they'll talk about being ready for the zombie apocalypse as a way to avoid saying they're ready for the race war. Kind of like people on iSteve who say Scots-Irish when they mean Jews.
  128. Also, though I don’t believe in collective consciousness, it appeals to what might be termed Collective Anxiety. People have a generalized fear of social calamity, I feel, and zombie apocalypse horror is one means of tapping into that. Religion taps into it well, too, obviously. So do disaster movies and Last Man on Earth stories in general.

    Someone above brought up Omega Man, which was also based on I Am Legend. That featured mutants who came about as a result of biological warfare between Russia and China, as I recall. Or maybe that just started it. Anyway, that movie tapped into Cold War anxiety. There were about a million movies dealing with anxiety over nuclear war, for instance The Day After, On the Beach, Dr. Strangelove, etc. The Walking Dead isn’t very different.

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  129. @Dwright
    Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?
    Steak sometimes gives me a chewing problem but TWD zombies tear through flesh like nobody's business.

    >>Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?

    That is definitely one of the implausibilities of the show. From the looks of the zombie attacks, one would think that human victims were being devoured by herds of walking Tiger sharks. And leave aside the fact that the ghouls’ teeth and gums are so rotten that they would fall out if the wind blew on them.

    Another thing that is getting me about he show: where are all the dogs? In the entire 7 years we have seen maybe two dogs. We know that humans are the only ones affected by the zombie virus, and that dogs will go the ground and gang up for protection and solidarity when human masters disappear, and it is very unlikely that zombies would catch dogs. Dogs are very skilled at avoiding slow walking, clumsy predators. I could see how dogs would be very useful in this zombie world: first line of defense, warning, companionship, etc. Nor do we see any cats, but we know that the cats would be eating corpses. Yuck. Still, the show is entertaining and I watch it every week.

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    "Nor do we see any cats"

    There is a frickin' tiger on the show now. A fully grown jungle cat. Which serves no purpose but to stand next to a guy who calls himself king. Which they feed and keep tame through the same magic that animates corpses, I guess.
  130. A somewhat related theme or meme that doesn’t fit the *Camp of the Saints:

    The History Channel *The Vikings*.

    A favorite show sequence has the Norsemen ( and women ) looting a Christian church and humiliating the pious, nonviolent priests and monks.

    … Hard to empathize with the mousey Christians.

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    The creator of "Vikings" is a typical sh*tlib, as evidenced by his attempts to undermine and downplay the Christian roots of Western Europe at every turn. There's the vile, corrupt Saxon bishop who attempts to crucify the pagan-sympathetic priest (and was there ever any evidence of crucifixion used against heretics by the Church at any point?), the hypocritical self-flagellating Prince Athelwulf, and of course the noble defender of Christian Paris being shown as a secret BDSM pervert.
  131. @Jefferson
    "Children of Men might just stand (against some pretty stiff competition) as the stupidest SF movie of all time. Due to complete reproductive failure, humanity is facing extinction. Somehow , though, this ends up taking a backseat to an indictment of Britain’s restrictive immigration policies……"

    Children Of Men was the beginning of Chiwetel Ejiofor being cast as the nobel token Magic Negro that every White Liberal loves. He has a made a shitload of money being typecast as that same character over and over again.

    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.

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    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.
     
    In fairness to Whedon's sjw credibility, the character was a bad guy who came good in the end, and whose badness turned out to have always been in pursuit of a misguided but noble leftist concept of "greater good".

    Essentially a left libertarian take on statist evil.
  132. @Anonymous
    "Almost every season of the The Walking Dead has the protagonists coming upon a seemingly well-run human utopia, only to find that the human compound is run by zealots/gangsters/cannibals. (it owes a lot to Watership Down in that regard). "

    And every one of the worst of the worst are straight white men in TWD. The Governor, Gareth, Joe (head of the Claimers), Negan, Negan's head henchmen, etc...

    Every once in a while, they will have a minority who is a minor underling under those bad guys, but often even those are reluctantly so. Minorities are key players among the good guys. And usually the ones who keep their humanity even while the whites are losing theirs. Sometimes so blatantly so, it was comical. Tyreese the reluctant warrior protecting a white baby from the Terminus white man who was his hostage. Glenn redeeming white Nicholas, sparing him despite his treachery. Glenn and Heath (both minorities) as the only two people who, after everything still never killed anyone, and Glenn sparing Heath from doing it.

    The sad part about the show is that it keeps up the fiction that in a SHTF scenario somehow diversity will remain a strength uber alles (except those occasional evil racist sexy white bad boys).

    In reality, when societies go to pot, one of the first things that occurs is that people shun diversity and instantly reorganize on race/ethnic/clannish bases. Look at the former Yugoslavia or Iraq when disorder was introduced into the situation.

    I avoid most Hollywood end-of-civilization entertainment because they feed into the nonsense of diversity and feminism holding sway in such situations. (See the recent Mad Max for a representation of the latter, the butt-kicking babe extraordinaire!).

    It’s utterly foolish, because so many impressionable young people think that it’s true, and then if they end up in such a situation (e.g. volunteering in Hati after the earthquake, working with “refugees” in Calais or Germany or Sweden, working for aid foundations in Africa), they will inevitably face some extremely harsh truths about race and gender up close and personal.

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  133. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Svigor
    If Rick had any brains, he would have killed the surgeon's wife, not the surgeon. He would have beaten his son into submission early on. He would have entered Terminus alone, planning to lead any captors into an ambush. Etc. Rick is easily the stupidest "leader" on television. His stupidity is exceeded only by his followers, who should have killed him long ago.

    I can’t believe you guys are actually watching this stuff.

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  134. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    This is the American south and guns are as rare as Amsterdam? I’ve seen enough guns in a typical rural southern home to arm a platoon with a full load out of ammo. These guys are dumb as a bag of hair.

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  135. @Jefferson
    The first people who would die in a ZA are subscribers of The Huffington Post and The New York Times because they do not know how to use guns and do not have an ounce of street smarts. They are extremely sheltered in their Hamilton and Starbucks SWPL bubble.

    The people most likely to survive a ZA are armed to the teeth Redneck Right Wing militia survivalist groups who have been preparing for a doomsday scenario for many years now.

    The opening line of the excellent Zombieland is “The first to die were the fatties.” (Because they couldn’t outrun zombies.) I thought, no, the first to die would be liberals as they would rush to embrace this latest marginalized group, the Undead.

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    How dare you call them Undead! They are to be referred to as the Not Documented Living.
  136. @Daniel H
    >>Forget about all the metaphors for zombie fiction, I have one question: what human bites like that?

    That is definitely one of the implausibilities of the show. From the looks of the zombie attacks, one would think that human victims were being devoured by herds of walking Tiger sharks. And leave aside the fact that the ghouls' teeth and gums are so rotten that they would fall out if the wind blew on them.

    Another thing that is getting me about he show: where are all the dogs? In the entire 7 years we have seen maybe two dogs. We know that humans are the only ones affected by the zombie virus, and that dogs will go the ground and gang up for protection and solidarity when human masters disappear, and it is very unlikely that zombies would catch dogs. Dogs are very skilled at avoiding slow walking, clumsy predators. I could see how dogs would be very useful in this zombie world: first line of defense, warning, companionship, etc. Nor do we see any cats, but we know that the cats would be eating corpses. Yuck. Still, the show is entertaining and I watch it every week.

    “Nor do we see any cats”

    There is a frickin’ tiger on the show now. A fully grown jungle cat. Which serves no purpose but to stand next to a guy who calls himself king. Which they feed and keep tame through the same magic that animates corpses, I guess.

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  137. @Svigor

    Apocolyptic films answer the psychological needs, desires of the audience.
     
    Except they almost never do. Hollywood's too Jewish to do that. They're usually morality tales about how great the audience has it ("misery of war," as someone above put it). That's why my all-time favorite character in a zombie movie is Woody Harrelson in Zombieland; he's the closest I've ever seen to someone actually enjoying himself in a PA scenario. Let's face it, there are a lot of guys who would.

    It's also about modern ease. A lot of people like to at least muse about a challenge.

    The basic problem with making massive die-off PA scenarios morose is that a sudden, massive die-off would leave the survivors incredibly wealthy. The opposite of scarcity. So, writers have to go off the rails into stupid-land. The Road is how you do it right; the world is dying, and mankind with it.

    Chris, I'm not into horror movies either, generally speaking. I'm always thinking, "why doesn't someone bury a hatchet in that guy's head?" And if he's immune to hatchets, it seems too pat, too sadistic; who wants to watch a movie where people have no chance? Psychological horror (Jacob's Ladder, Gothica are my exception). But I like(d) TWD because it was PA (I love PA), not because it was horror. And it isn't really horror. Not deadly enough (anon is right, it's gore, not horror). TV doesn't work as a horror medium unless it's a series of one-offs, like horror movies).

    -they can be killed with plain old guns. No holy water or stakes through the heart needed. Try and find a gun range in the US that doesn’t sell zombie targets. Can’t be done.
     
    Zombies are now the stand-ins for bad guys in the 2nd Amendment, shooting enthusiast, etc., circles. They grabbed onto the deniability of zombies as bad guys PDQ.

    Speaking of someone enjoying himself in a zombie apocalypse , how about Andy the gun store owner in the excellent Dawn of the Dead (2004)?

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  138. @Clyde
    Congressman John Culberson Set Up a Kill Switch on Sanctuary City Funding.
    Their Federal funds can be pulled the day DJT is inaugurated. Yes, big mouth Rahm Emanuel, Wilhelm DiBlasio and their ilk can be left and high and dry for non-compliance, for violating Federal law.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/congressman-john-culberson-set-up-a-kill-switch-on-sanctuary-city-funding
    list of largest sanctuary cities ____________ https://goo.gl/7HkTYY

    Oh man, this will be great. Sanctuary cities are an absolute outrage.

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  139. @guest
    I agree with others on this thread who've said The Walking Dead is not a allegory about uncontrolled immigration. Not is it about the EBT card underclass. Zombies, in this particular form, have only been around for a few decades, so I don't know if everyone agrees on what they're all about. Fear of dead bodies and disease, obviously. Fear of natural predators and herds of dangerous animals, probably. Fear of crowds, I'd say.

    The popularity of Zombie Apocalypse stories are more about the apocalypse part than the zombie part, but people do get a kick out of the monster itself. I've read Richard Matheson's novella "I Am Legend," which is about vampires but I have on good authority was Romero's source for Dead movies. That book is in the Last Man on Earth genre, and its major appeal is in the "What would you do in the apocalypse?" vein. It features a man of science trying to get along on his own and understand his enemies and what's happened to the world.

    The Walking Dead is on a lower level, artistically and intellectually, though its main appeal, I think, is also "What would you do in the apocalypse?" It's an action-horror show, though more character-driven than they usually are. Or I should say used to be more characters-driven. Now they drift from one bad guy or one threat to another, with little rhyme or reason.

    You can read any and everything you want into it, politically. But it does have a certain undeniable rightist appeal, no matter how PC is the telling (which it is, naturally). You have an uncompromising world, which weeds out the weak quickly. People's mistakes come back to bite them (literally), quickly and decisively. Gangs are led by the natural superior, in courage, fighting, hunting, scavenging, intelligence, experience, etc. None of the groups have their priorities straight, especially regarding women (the human race could die out, but they have young, attractive, fertile women fighting on the front lines), but they all have strict hierarchies. There's a tribal, Us versus Them attitude, with little room for compromise over ideals higher than getting along.

    It appeals specifically to survivalists and members of the "gun culture," for obvious reasons. It also has a certain appeal to believers in the Decline of the West. The idea that our civilization will collapse, slowly or swiftly, whatever we do, and wouldn't it be fun/horrible to start fresh? I have a feeling this is the secret (or not-so-secrer for the peculiarly honest) desire of environmentalists, for instance. It's the explicit desire of many an enemy of the Mass Man. Or Last Man, in Nietzsche's terminology.

    I don’t agree that “Nor is it about the EBT card underclass.” Maybe it is with some people, but if you hang around people who have semiautomatic rifles and lots of ammo, they’ll talk about being ready for the zombie apocalypse as a way to avoid saying they’re ready for the race war. Kind of like people on iSteve who say Scots-Irish when they mean Jews.

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    A co-worker of mine made this point years ago, with the scumbag apocalypse being the event everyone is dancing around.
  140. The first time I saw the Walking Dead I recognized that it was a fairly clear metaphor for the threat to families and communities by creeping social atomization and inundation by “the hostile, selfish and indifferent foreign other”, aka mass immigration. This is why it’s so popular.

    It also plays on modern social paranoia, in that the zombies on the show often seem at first like normal people before closer examination reveals them to be horrific monsters in the rough shape of humans. Any conservative who has ever lost a friend to social justice politics can relate to this, as irrational hostility suddenly turns formerly sane people into monsters.

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  141. @David Davenport
    A somewhat related theme or meme that doesn't fit the *Camp of the Saints:

    The History Channel *The Vikings*.

    A favorite show sequence has the Norsemen ( and women ) looting a Christian church and humiliating the pious, nonviolent priests and monks.

    ... Hard to empathize with the mousey Christians.

    The creator of “Vikings” is a typical sh*tlib, as evidenced by his attempts to undermine and downplay the Christian roots of Western Europe at every turn. There’s the vile, corrupt Saxon bishop who attempts to crucify the pagan-sympathetic priest (and was there ever any evidence of crucifixion used against heretics by the Church at any point?), the hypocritical self-flagellating Prince Athelwulf, and of course the noble defender of Christian Paris being shown as a secret BDSM pervert.

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    In all fairness the show *is* about Vikings, and you have to make them mildly sympathetic somehow.

    A lot of the Viking pagan characters are actually shown to be zealots too.
  142. @Harry Baldwin
    The opening line of the excellent Zombieland is "The first to die were the fatties." (Because they couldn't outrun zombies.) I thought, no, the first to die would be liberals as they would rush to embrace this latest marginalized group, the Undead.

    How dare you call them Undead! They are to be referred to as the Not Documented Living.

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  143. @Jack Hanson
    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.

    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.

    In fairness to Whedon’s sjw credibility, the character was a bad guy who came good in the end, and whose badness turned out to have always been in pursuit of a misguided but noble leftist concept of “greater good”.

    Essentially a left libertarian take on statist evil.

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    Yeah, but he converted to the view of Confederate/Outlaw Josie Wales stand in Malcolm Reynolds, which is that people have a right to live their lives without Big Gov meddling.

    Of course, Firefly is over a decade old, before everything became culture war. Whedon has admitted in recent interviews he sides with the Alliance. I doubt it was true when he made the show, as he's quoted as saying he based Reynolds off the Confederates soldiers adrift after the Civil War.

    You gotta wonder if that mental shift killed his creativity, because as far as I know he has had no notable original ideas after Firefly. In fact, I don't think he's done an original IP since Dollhouse?
  144. Not even a little bit.

    But if Trump’s team did target Walking Dead fans, they certainly reached a diverse crowd. Blacks and whites alike love the show, which I daresay is pretty unusual.

    CONTENT WARNING:
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    "But if Trump’s team did target Walking Dead fans, they certainly reached a diverse crowd. Blacks and whites alike love the show, which I daresay is pretty unusual."

    It is pretty unusual indeed. Even Nielsen ratings statistics point out that Blacks and Whites on average have different television show tastes. Not many Whites watch Basketball Wives just like not many Blacks watch Mike Judge's Silicon Valley.

    Even television show tastes in America on average are racially segregated.
  145. @Hapalong Cassidy
    The creator of "Vikings" is a typical sh*tlib, as evidenced by his attempts to undermine and downplay the Christian roots of Western Europe at every turn. There's the vile, corrupt Saxon bishop who attempts to crucify the pagan-sympathetic priest (and was there ever any evidence of crucifixion used against heretics by the Church at any point?), the hypocritical self-flagellating Prince Athelwulf, and of course the noble defender of Christian Paris being shown as a secret BDSM pervert.

    In all fairness the show *is* about Vikings, and you have to make them mildly sympathetic somehow.

    A lot of the Viking pagan characters are actually shown to be zealots too.

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  146. @Thomas
    I watch TWD, and I'd have to say no. The protagonists spend most of their time moving or in one bad situation after another. The zombies ("walkers") have receded further and further into the background, and the threat becomes more human... and more allegorically "badwhite." The protagonists conversely have become more and more SWPL avatars.

    Incidentally, and I say this as a Marine Corps veteran and long-experienced outdoorsman, the characters are among the stupidest people ever depicted in a survival situation, and never seem to get any smarter. Cheap way for the writers to manufacture dramatic tension.

    The other thing which strikes me about the show is how totally lacking in leadership qualities Rick is. Why don’t the more competent of his followers just slip away during the night? What explains the fact that they keep following such a man?

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  147. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't agree that "Nor is it about the EBT card underclass." Maybe it is with some people, but if you hang around people who have semiautomatic rifles and lots of ammo, they'll talk about being ready for the zombie apocalypse as a way to avoid saying they're ready for the race war. Kind of like people on iSteve who say Scots-Irish when they mean Jews.

    A co-worker of mine made this point years ago, with the scumbag apocalypse being the event everyone is dancing around.

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  148. @Randal

    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.
     
    In fairness to Whedon's sjw credibility, the character was a bad guy who came good in the end, and whose badness turned out to have always been in pursuit of a misguided but noble leftist concept of "greater good".

    Essentially a left libertarian take on statist evil.

    Yeah, but he converted to the view of Confederate/Outlaw Josie Wales stand in Malcolm Reynolds, which is that people have a right to live their lives without Big Gov meddling.

    Of course, Firefly is over a decade old, before everything became culture war. Whedon has admitted in recent interviews he sides with the Alliance. I doubt it was true when he made the show, as he’s quoted as saying he based Reynolds off the Confederates soldiers adrift after the Civil War.

    You gotta wonder if that mental shift killed his creativity, because as far as I know he has had no notable original ideas after Firefly. In fact, I don’t think he’s done an original IP since Dollhouse?

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    Consider "Serenity", in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn't rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process - an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?
  149. guest says:
    November 25, 2016 at 12:58 am GMT • 100 Words

    Right; conflict would be reduced to people fighting over…people.

    I don’t doubt you but I don’t care to watch the show so please provide examples of said stupidity, if you desire.

    Tactical stupidity: Ranger Rick refuses to employ tactics of any kind. E.g., they go into a situation they know may be hostile, but they just all walk in together. Should have sent one guy in, told him “we’ll wait for you here,” and then set up an ambush in case of hostile approach. And this after several hostile encounters, in similar situations. Most of his decisions are like this, just stupid.

    In early seasons, his son (early teens) had an intense bout of stupidity, and was prone to walking off alone, against express instruction. He got at least one person killed doing this. Rick never really disciplined him at all, certainly not physically.

    No one uses sensible weapons or ammo. .22lr is more than enough to kill a zombie, you can carry 1k rounds easily, and it’s easily and effectively suppressed (zombies are attracted to sound, even miles distant). Save the 556 for long pig.

    They can’t find food in depopulated Georgia backwoods. You could spend a few hours with a 22 shooting squirrels and feed a platoon. Idiot “country boy” uses a crossbow (which are louder than well-suppressed 22 pistols, IIRC).

    No one ever raids an outdoor gear store. I have a water filter that cost me 15 bucks, will filter tens of thousands of gallons of water before it goes kaput, and weighs about an ounce. No one wears a serious backpack. It’s always SPWL stuff with no carrying capacity. Nobody thinks to use portable (under 1 lb) solar chargers. They’re a thing. Use them to charge Nextels or the like. No one tries to rehab gas. Gas goes bad, but you can take measures to greatly increase its storage life. Then there are gasifiers, which run on wood. Plenty of that in Georgia. Then there are ethanol stills. In general, people keep improvising as if it’s still day zero, even years after.

    Everybody wears the same filthy rags for entire seasons. The world is full of clean, unworn clothing, folks.

    It goes on and on like this. The writing is even stupider than the characters. They have decided never to let good writing intrude on their premises.

    That said, I still enjoyed the show for years. You just have to work much harder than usual at suspending disbelief.nforcement money.

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    In "I Am Legend," Will Smith is the only surviving human in Manhattan, so his daily routine includes breaking into high-end sporting goods stores for state of the art golf clubs and Titleist Pro-V1s, which he hits into the harbor off a driving range he's set up on the bow of an aircraft carrier. In other words, he has a rather high standard of living.
  150. I can’t believe you guys are actually watching this stuff.

    I love PA. Even bad PA is good. But I stopped watching TWD after season 5, I think it was. I’ll probably get back ’round to it at some point.

    Speaking of someone enjoying himself in a zombie apocalypse , how about Andy the gun store owner in the excellent Dawn of the Dead (2004)?

    Don’t know if I’ve seen that one. I have been watching even less TV than I used to, the last couple years, but if I go back on an upswing I’ll have to check that one out.

    so I don’t know if everyone agrees on what they’re all about. Fear of dead bodies and disease, obviously.

    The origins of zombie hordes are Christian apocalyptic. As in, it’s the end of times, and the dead are rising from their graves.

    Another thing that is getting me about he show: where are all the dogs?

    Good point, I wondered about that myself. Dogs would be far too useful, so they were written out.

    Oddly, turbo prog Joss Whedon cast him as a bad guy in Serenity.

    For a turbo-prog, Whedon sure drops a lot of bombs on liberals. Deniably, of course, but there sure are a lot of them.

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  151. @Burton
    Zombies are stand-ins for the elderly. They walk, communicate and stare like old people with Parkinson's or some form of dementia. Popular entertainments that feature the conscience-free killing of zombies are preparing young people for the tsunami of elderly that is about to swamp them as the boomers move into old, old age. Zombie movies teach the young that its all right to hate and fear the old. They are also telling young people that anything that walks haltingly, appears decrepit and does not communicate well is to be feared. Moreover, it is all right to kill them.

    Zombies are a lot easier to deal with than Alzheimer’s patients.

    My mid-eightysomething grandmother is senile, immobile, and incontinent.

    The last one is the worst – she’ll soil herself and not even know it. She’ll deny having done anything and refuse to allow anyone to clean her up.

    (Yesterday, after our Thanksgiving dinner, my mother and I spent the better part of an hour dealing with one of her bathroom-related fits of rage.)

    One of the better times to deal with her is when she’s in her placid zombie-like state. That blank stare is creepy, but at least she’s not endangering herself.

    The worst time is when she’s having a psychotic episode and becomes convinced that everyone around her is plotting to murder and/or rape her. She can and will bite, kick, and scratch.

    The next-worst time is when she’s almost like her old self – she realizes that something is wrong and becomes extremely paranoid. (The paranoia grows and develops into a full-blown freakout.)

    Getting old is not fun.

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  152. Caption on a zombie-themed Demotivator:

    “Chances are, you’re already surrounded by mindless, bloodthirstry, half-alive, subhuman wretches. An actual zombie outbreak would just give you an excuse to do something productive.”

    That’s what the zombie craze is about, I think: the desire to abolish the world as it is, and live in one where it’s clear who our enemies are and what we can do about them.

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  153. I think Rick on Walking Dead hooking up with a black woman was driven by Trump mania :-)

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  154. @Svigor

    guest says:
    November 25, 2016 at 12:58 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Svigor
     
    Right; conflict would be reduced to people fighting over...people.

    I don’t doubt you but I don’t care to watch the show so please provide examples of said stupidity, if you desire.
     
    Tactical stupidity: Ranger Rick refuses to employ tactics of any kind. E.g., they go into a situation they know may be hostile, but they just all walk in together. Should have sent one guy in, told him "we'll wait for you here," and then set up an ambush in case of hostile approach. And this after several hostile encounters, in similar situations. Most of his decisions are like this, just stupid.

    In early seasons, his son (early teens) had an intense bout of stupidity, and was prone to walking off alone, against express instruction. He got at least one person killed doing this. Rick never really disciplined him at all, certainly not physically.

    No one uses sensible weapons or ammo. .22lr is more than enough to kill a zombie, you can carry 1k rounds easily, and it's easily and effectively suppressed (zombies are attracted to sound, even miles distant). Save the 556 for long pig.

    They can't find food in depopulated Georgia backwoods. You could spend a few hours with a 22 shooting squirrels and feed a platoon. Idiot "country boy" uses a crossbow (which are louder than well-suppressed 22 pistols, IIRC).

    No one ever raids an outdoor gear store. I have a water filter that cost me 15 bucks, will filter tens of thousands of gallons of water before it goes kaput, and weighs about an ounce. No one wears a serious backpack. It's always SPWL stuff with no carrying capacity. Nobody thinks to use portable (under 1 lb) solar chargers. They're a thing. Use them to charge Nextels or the like. No one tries to rehab gas. Gas goes bad, but you can take measures to greatly increase its storage life. Then there are gasifiers, which run on wood. Plenty of that in Georgia. Then there are ethanol stills. In general, people keep improvising as if it's still day zero, even years after.

    Everybody wears the same filthy rags for entire seasons. The world is full of clean, unworn clothing, folks.

    It goes on and on like this. The writing is even stupider than the characters. They have decided never to let good writing intrude on their premises.

    That said, I still enjoyed the show for years. You just have to work much harder than usual at suspending disbelief.nforcement money.

    In “I Am Legend,” Will Smith is the only surviving human in Manhattan, so his daily routine includes breaking into high-end sporting goods stores for state of the art golf clubs and Titleist Pro-V1s, which he hits into the harbor off a driving range he’s set up on the bow of an aircraft carrier. In other words, he has a rather high standard of living.

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    The first few episodes of The Last Man on Earth starring Will Forte takes this to a funny extreme. Funny take on what your average schlub would do if they were left alive.
  155. … the hypocritical self-flagellating Prince Athelwulf, and of course the noble defender of Christian Paris being shown as a secret BDSM pervert.

    You’re right about those. I haven’t seen those episodes.

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  156. Steve: right. The only time Hollywood will acknowledge the reality of abundance post die-off is when they get to keep their misery schtick; you’re filthy rich, but you’re the last person on Earth.

    The misery schtick is projection; entertainment biz is run by metrosexuals who see the only alternative to liberal democracy and long supply chains as complete misery, cannibalism, etc. (but not a falloff in diversity and multiculturalism). “How I learned to stop worrying and love The Man.”

    28 Days Later also bucks easy racial analogy. That one turns on the fear of being unable to get out of a zombie-infected zone rather than trying to find a way to keep the zombies out. The immigration metaphor generally breaks down.

    White flight/Escape From New York.

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  157. Guns are bad, outdoor stuff is uncomfortable and rednecks like it, but everyone wants to pretend to be a Badass.

    Yes and no. Backpacking and such are pretty SWPL. Trust fund kids have time to spend two weeks backpacking, but few else. These are the people who routinely carry on their backs everything they need to survive for a week or more. Not rednecks. Rednecks are more campers than self-sufficient backpackers. Preppers too, but prepper is a fairly broad social category. Roughing it is more a SWPL thing, really. There are hiker/hunters, but they’re pretty rare, and confined to bighorn country, Alaska, etc.

    Also, creature comforts for backpackers have really improved, over the last half-century or so. Inflatable sleeping pads are a big one.

    Personally, I’d like to see some sports and groups that synthesize the survival pastimes of hunting (and trapping) and backpacking.

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  158. This trope goes back to 1968′s Night of the Living Dead, when the civil rights movement had built up a full head of steam. Quite possibly 1956′s Invasion of the Body Snatchers was already tapping into this fear.

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  159. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, but he converted to the view of Confederate/Outlaw Josie Wales stand in Malcolm Reynolds, which is that people have a right to live their lives without Big Gov meddling.

    Of course, Firefly is over a decade old, before everything became culture war. Whedon has admitted in recent interviews he sides with the Alliance. I doubt it was true when he made the show, as he's quoted as saying he based Reynolds off the Confederates soldiers adrift after the Civil War.

    You gotta wonder if that mental shift killed his creativity, because as far as I know he has had no notable original ideas after Firefly. In fact, I don't think he's done an original IP since Dollhouse?

    Consider “Serenity”, in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn’t rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process – an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Consider “Serenity”, in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn’t rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process – an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?
     
    Yeah. Cf the USSR, Communist China, Castro's Cuba, etc.

    As for unintended consequences, cf Hillary Clinton's Libya debacle.....
    , @Jack Hanson
    Art mimics life and all that, m i rite?

    Whedon comes across like a true believer with all the fervor of a convert, which is a shame and likely the reason why he pushed away from doing Firefly when he had the cachet and pull to reopen the franchise. His new ideology probably causes cognitive dissonance and he's unable to square the circle of retooling the original vision of "free choice versus Big Brother Knows Best" into something where the Confeds were a bunch of Evil White Men looking to oppress pansexual transgender illegal alien space muslims.

  160. @Kathy Shaidle
    Not even a little bit.

    But if Trump’s team did target Walking Dead fans, they certainly reached a diverse crowd. Blacks and whites alike love the show, which I daresay is pretty unusual.

    CONTENT WARNING:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WDWgJnN8U

    “But if Trump’s team did target Walking Dead fans, they certainly reached a diverse crowd. Blacks and whites alike love the show, which I daresay is pretty unusual.”

    It is pretty unusual indeed. Even Nielsen ratings statistics point out that Blacks and Whites on average have different television show tastes. Not many Whites watch Basketball Wives just like not many Blacks watch Mike Judge’s Silicon Valley.

    Even television show tastes in America on average are racially segregated.

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    I remember once watching an MTV "news" program about the segregation of entertainment taste, which they wanted me to think was a bad thing for some reason. They said the only show that white and black people (it's usually white versus black they have in mind when they speak of racial differences; if it's not, some other group is standing in for blacks) was The Simpsons. I don't know if that's true or not. This was in the mid-90s probably.

    The kicker was that they said The Simpsons was about yellow people. Which I guess was why black people were allowed to be interested. But we all know, and "they" know, yellow is a stand-in for white on that show. Homer even refers to himself as a white man, I believe. How stupid do they think we are?
  161. @melendwyr
    Consider "Serenity", in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn't rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process - an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?

    Consider “Serenity”, in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn’t rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process – an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?

    Yeah. Cf the USSR, Communist China, Castro’s Cuba, etc.

    As for unintended consequences, cf Hillary Clinton’s Libya debacle…..

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    • Replies: @melendwyr
    I take it you're not a fan of Firefly... or presumably you'd have gotten the Jubal Early joke.

    Anyway, the point wasn't whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon's portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.
  162. @syonredux

    Consider “Serenity”, in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn’t rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process – an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?
     
    Yeah. Cf the USSR, Communist China, Castro's Cuba, etc.

    As for unintended consequences, cf Hillary Clinton's Libya debacle.....

    I take it you’re not a fan of Firefly… or presumably you’d have gotten the Jubal Early joke.

    Anyway, the point wasn’t whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon’s portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.

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    I take it you’re not a fan of Firefly… or presumably you’d have gotten the Jubal Early joke.
     
    Oh, I did. And I've had to listen to several Black colleagues complain about a Black actor playing a character named after a Confederate general.

    Anyway, the point wasn’t whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon’s portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.
     
    Nothing inconsistent with Leftism in Whedon's portrayal. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. And building the communist utopia will necessitate sacrificing the odd million or two (or three....or four..or ten...or thirty...) human lives ( 682,691 in the Great Terror, 30 million plus in the Great Leap Forward Famine, 6 million in the 1932-33 Famine, etc, etc)
    , @syonredux
    Worth noting at this point that the SJW Lumpengentsia seems to have turned against Whedon. I've heard more than a few of them grumble about the "problematic" aspects of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. And then there was the feminist outrage over the Black Widow sterilization plot in Age of Ultron.....
  163. @melendwyr
    Consider "Serenity", in which the friendly and well-meaning Alliance experimented with drugging the entire population of a world to ensure it wouldn't rebel. And not only managed to kill off virtually all of said population, but created the Reavers in the process - an excellent example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

    Does that seem Left to you?

    Art mimics life and all that, m i rite?

    Whedon comes across like a true believer with all the fervor of a convert, which is a shame and likely the reason why he pushed away from doing Firefly when he had the cachet and pull to reopen the franchise. His new ideology probably causes cognitive dissonance and he’s unable to square the circle of retooling the original vision of “free choice versus Big Brother Knows Best” into something where the Confeds were a bunch of Evil White Men looking to oppress pansexual transgender illegal alien space muslims.

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  164. @melendwyr
    I take it you're not a fan of Firefly... or presumably you'd have gotten the Jubal Early joke.

    Anyway, the point wasn't whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon's portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.

    I take it you’re not a fan of Firefly… or presumably you’d have gotten the Jubal Early joke.

    Oh, I did. And I’ve had to listen to several Black colleagues complain about a Black actor playing a character named after a Confederate general.

    Anyway, the point wasn’t whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon’s portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.

    Nothing inconsistent with Leftism in Whedon’s portrayal. Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. And building the communist utopia will necessitate sacrificing the odd million or two (or three….or four..or ten…or thirty…) human lives ( 682,691 in the Great Terror, 30 million plus in the Great Leap Forward Famine, 6 million in the 1932-33 Famine, etc, etc)

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  165. @melendwyr
    I take it you're not a fan of Firefly... or presumably you'd have gotten the Jubal Early joke.

    Anyway, the point wasn't whether or not the Alliance was Leftish, but whether Whedon's portrayal of the Alliance was. His works do not exactly support the idea that centralized power is a valuable tool for the establishment of society.

    Worth noting at this point that the SJW Lumpengentsia seems to have turned against Whedon. I’ve heard more than a few of them grumble about the “problematic” aspects of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. And then there was the feminist outrage over the Black Widow sterilization plot in Age of Ultron…..

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    • Replies: @melendwyr
    Which is hilarious, as the whole "Girl that kicks butt" trope was originally a feminist statement. Well, any movement eventually cannibalizes its own. (Does that seem right to you?)
  166. @Jefferson
    "But if Trump’s team did target Walking Dead fans, they certainly reached a diverse crowd. Blacks and whites alike love the show, which I daresay is pretty unusual."

    It is pretty unusual indeed. Even Nielsen ratings statistics point out that Blacks and Whites on average have different television show tastes. Not many Whites watch Basketball Wives just like not many Blacks watch Mike Judge's Silicon Valley.

    Even television show tastes in America on average are racially segregated.

    I remember once watching an MTV “news” program about the segregation of entertainment taste, which they wanted me to think was a bad thing for some reason. They said the only show that white and black people (it’s usually white versus black they have in mind when they speak of racial differences; if it’s not, some other group is standing in for blacks) was The Simpsons. I don’t know if that’s true or not. This was in the mid-90s probably.

    The kicker was that they said The Simpsons was about yellow people. Which I guess was why black people were allowed to be interested. But we all know, and “they” know, yellow is a stand-in for white on that show. Homer even refers to himself as a white man, I believe. How stupid do they think we are?

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  167. Most people consider TV to be mindless boring illiterate drivel, and they’re right. Zombies and Vampires are not really symbols per se. TV has a broken record of remakes and reruns that keep playing the same old song. At this point its hard to see who’s ripping off whom, since its all ripped off and replayed again anyway.
    TV is stuck on stupid. That in-your-face diversity crusade drones on like a crazy Uncle reminiscing about how he died in the War. Zombies are the old and tired meme of the further other who threatens us all. Supposedly with an external enemy we will all come together to survive. never happened before or since, but TV has a way of beating a dead horse even after its a pile of bleached bones.
    Like the bizarre concept of an alien invasion from outer space causing us to end the Cold War and fight together against the Space Invader Reptilian Nazis, zombies are the reason to put those age old hostilities aside to survive this new and supposedly greater immediate threat.
    Of course, with the same old crap about inventive blacks and heroic women, its just filler between womens’ hygiene ads and delicious fatty food pictures of conspicuous consumption. Who will die this episode? Oh the racist redneck, who didn’t listen to the wisdom of an old black woman.
    And that’s why we’re all on the Net.

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    "Like the bizarre concept of an alien invasion from outer space causing us to end the Cold War and fight together against the Space Invader Reptilian Nazis,"

    You are talking about V.
  168. This trope goes back to 1968′s Night of the Living Dead, when the civil rights movement had built up a full head of steam. Quite possibly 1956′s Invasion of the Body Snatchers was already tapping into this fear.

    Body Snatchers = communist infiltration & indoctrination.

    As far as Whedon goes, sure, maybe he did a 180 some time after making Firefly and Serenity. Or maybe he just likes dropping bombs, then denying he likes dropping bombs. So he can, you know, keep getting work.

    He chose a black guy to play the arch-villain of Firefly. Easily the most menacing villain of the series. Then he chose another black guy to play the arch-villain of Serenity. The programming doesn’t seem to have fully gotten through to Whedon (like a lot of goys, he probably didn’t fully absorb implicit hypocrisy of liberalism, and probably absorbed too much of the explicit race-blindness).

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  169. ““…he actually told me I needed to watch COM because I would learn something.”

    A good number of the modern world’s problems might be due to confusing fiction with reality. It’s _fiction_. Make-believe. Might as well believe in magic. Perhaps some people think the “vision” or the belief is more important than reality.

    Belief has a habit of affecting reality…

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  170. @syonredux
    Worth noting at this point that the SJW Lumpengentsia seems to have turned against Whedon. I've heard more than a few of them grumble about the "problematic" aspects of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. And then there was the feminist outrage over the Black Widow sterilization plot in Age of Ultron.....

    Which is hilarious, as the whole “Girl that kicks butt” trope was originally a feminist statement. Well, any movement eventually cannibalizes its own. (Does that seem right to you?)

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  171. @Paul Yarbles
    The first wave of zombie movies was in the late sixties/early seventies. Explain that!

    Well, there is the 1965 immigration act. Hmmm...

    George Romero is a big liberal, so I don’t think Night of the Living Dead has the subtext. The deluge of Italian knock-offs, maybe?

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  172. @Steve Sailer
    In "I Am Legend," Will Smith is the only surviving human in Manhattan, so his daily routine includes breaking into high-end sporting goods stores for state of the art golf clubs and Titleist Pro-V1s, which he hits into the harbor off a driving range he's set up on the bow of an aircraft carrier. In other words, he has a rather high standard of living.

    The first few episodes of The Last Man on Earth starring Will Forte takes this to a funny extreme. Funny take on what your average schlub would do if they were left alive.

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  173. @Glaivester
    Forget The Walking Dead. Anyone have any thoughts on the metaphorical implications of Z Nation?

    Similar premise, but (1) the plague is explained at the end of the first season, (2) there is a plot of the quest to cure the zombie plague, (3) one character (Murphy) is actually intimately connected to the zombies, efforts for a cure, and with the science that started the plague (albeit as a test subject rather than as a scientist).

    While Z-Nation is tongue in cheek it has a far more interesting plot than TWD. It is filmed on a shoe string and in Spokane of all places and yet it managed (until this season) to produce something semi-coherent.

    This season at least for my family it has been disjointed and disconnected and we’ve had a hard time following the action. It’s as if they have the episodes mixed up.

    The Walking Dead on the other hand always has people making the worst decisions, being completely unprepared, and making no effort to really survive. These are Romero’s plodding zombies that any southern boy with his .22 LR plinker would simply stack up in job-lots with a little brick of ammo and a sunny afternoon.

    Any prison goon squad with their armor and a handful of guys reloading for them could clear half the buildings in a small town in a day. By week’s end they’d have a secure perimeter and in a month most counties would be ‘z-free’.

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    "Any prison goon squad with their armor and a handful of guys reloading for them could clear half the buildings in a small town in a day. By week’s end they’d have a secure perimeter and in a month most counties would be ‘z-free’.

    On the show it has been mentioned that the vast majority of The U.S population have turned into Walkers. That's a lot of Walkers in a nation of over 325 million people. The living are vastly outnumbered by the dead. In the fictional world of The Walking Dead there have been estimates that as many as 99 percent of The U.S population have turned into Walkers and there is only a 1 percent Human American population left scattered in 50 states. That's only 3,250,000 Americans spread out thin in 50 states. That's why someone can backpack travel for several days without ever bumping into a single living non zombie Human in the fictional world of The Walking Dead. 3.2 million people is not a lot in a country with a landmass as large as The United States. 3.2 million is smaller than the population of the city limits of Los Angeles. It feels even smaller when that 3.2 million is divided into 50 states. All 50 states basically feel rural in that scenario, even New York and California.

  174. TWS: right, TWD is not for critical thinkers, or the numerate. There’d be enough ammo left laying around. All it would take to mop up (and usher in a new golden age) would be to roll up the sleeves, spit on the hands, and get it done. Would take a few years, max. But the whole premise is these people are doomed, so they’re doomed, just because.

    Noticed how nobody keeps a zombie count? How many zombies they’ve retired? Nobody, not one, not in seasons 1 through 5, anyway. Chance of no guys ever keeping a count (at least ballpark) of how many zeds they retired? Of never discussing it with other guys? Zero.

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  175. @Dr. Doom
    Most people consider TV to be mindless boring illiterate drivel, and they're right. Zombies and Vampires are not really symbols per se. TV has a broken record of remakes and reruns that keep playing the same old song. At this point its hard to see who's ripping off whom, since its all ripped off and replayed again anyway.
    TV is stuck on stupid. That in-your-face diversity crusade drones on like a crazy Uncle reminiscing about how he died in the War. Zombies are the old and tired meme of the further other who threatens us all. Supposedly with an external enemy we will all come together to survive. never happened before or since, but TV has a way of beating a dead horse even after its a pile of bleached bones.
    Like the bizarre concept of an alien invasion from outer space causing us to end the Cold War and fight together against the Space Invader Reptilian Nazis, zombies are the reason to put those age old hostilities aside to survive this new and supposedly greater immediate threat.
    Of course, with the same old crap about inventive blacks and heroic women, its just filler between womens' hygiene ads and delicious fatty food pictures of conspicuous consumption. Who will die this episode? Oh the racist redneck, who didn't listen to the wisdom of an old black woman.
    And that's why we're all on the Net.

    “Like the bizarre concept of an alien invasion from outer space causing us to end the Cold War and fight together against the Space Invader Reptilian Nazis,”

    You are talking about V.

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  176. @TWS
    While Z-Nation is tongue in cheek it has a far more interesting plot than TWD. It is filmed on a shoe string and in Spokane of all places and yet it managed (until this season) to produce something semi-coherent.

    This season at least for my family it has been disjointed and disconnected and we've had a hard time following the action. It's as if they have the episodes mixed up.

    The Walking Dead on the other hand always has people making the worst decisions, being completely unprepared, and making no effort to really survive. These are Romero's plodding zombies that any southern boy with his .22 LR plinker would simply stack up in job-lots with a little brick of ammo and a sunny afternoon.

    Any prison goon squad with their armor and a handful of guys reloading for them could clear half the buildings in a small town in a day. By week's end they'd have a secure perimeter and in a month most counties would be 'z-free'.

    “Any prison goon squad with their armor and a handful of guys reloading for them could clear half the buildings in a small town in a day. By week’s end they’d have a secure perimeter and in a month most counties would be ‘z-free’.

    On the show it has been mentioned that the vast majority of The U.S population have turned into Walkers. That’s a lot of Walkers in a nation of over 325 million people. The living are vastly outnumbered by the dead. In the fictional world of The Walking Dead there have been estimates that as many as 99 percent of The U.S population have turned into Walkers and there is only a 1 percent Human American population left scattered in 50 states. That’s only 3,250,000 Americans spread out thin in 50 states. That’s why someone can backpack travel for several days without ever bumping into a single living non zombie Human in the fictional world of The Walking Dead. 3.2 million people is not a lot in a country with a landmass as large as The United States. 3.2 million is smaller than the population of the city limits of Los Angeles. It feels even smaller when that 3.2 million is divided into 50 states. All 50 states basically feel rural in that scenario, even New York and California.

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  177. Jefferson:

    You could take it down to a survival rate of 1:1000, and clearing out the zeds still wouldn’t be all that much work. That would mean each survivor would have to kill up to 2000 zombies apiece (being conservative and saying the capable to dependent ratio of survivors is 1:1). That’s like a month’s work, made easy the way they herd for convenience (if you can’t kill 66 zombies a day, you’re doing something wrong). Like I said, 1k rounds of 22 weighs 7lbs. Even women can carry a week’s worth of food and 2k rounds of 22 lr on their backs. Zombies are complete mopes, you just find a roof and start plinking. If you run out of ammo and get surrounded, you use fireworks to create an opening and draw them away.

    Really, a few strivers could do most of the work. Killing a hundred thousand zombies doesn’t sound like too tall an order. People shoot for fun, and individual shooters put millions of rounds through targets. It’s not like survivors would have anything better to do.

    They’re doomed because that’s the premise. That’s about as far as it goes.

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  178. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Nah, if anything the show has made a martyr out of the Asian guy.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/22637-glenn-walking-dead-negan-asians-tv?client=safari

    “Nah, if anything the show has made a martyr out of the Asian guy.”

    Nah watch Asian Social Justice Warriors have a mental meltdown over Glenn Rhee being murdered and swearing off The Walking Dead forever.
    http://blog.angryasianman.com/2016/10/so-that-was-worst-episode-of-walking.html?m=1

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