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Screenshot 2017-01-22 19.32.14I’ve been reading up some more on the career of “They,” the Berkeley Latinx / Chicanx Studies major and campus activist currently in the pokey on charges of murdering one woman, attempting to murder another, and home invading a third.

Screenshot 2017-01-23 00.46.24It seems like a story that a Berkeley journalist like Michael Lewis could use to illustrate How We Live Now.

I’m struck by how competitive the Social Justice Warrior pre-career track has become.

The SJW worldview is of course particularly attractive to the unattractive, like They.

On the other hand, the competition in college to get a paying SJW career after college is so fierce that perhaps the winners in the SJW sweepstakes at Berkeley tend to be pretty much the same kind of people who succeed in other competitive fields, such as pharmaceutical sales and marrying rich guys: good-looking conformist go-getters.

Screenshot 2017-01-23 00.00.16As I pointed out a couple of days ago, the LGBT Studies major coed They is accused of attempting to murder got perhaps more attention at a campus protest against sexual violence than They got, even though They was the official co-leader.

That isn’t surprising because she’s more striking looking than the average lady LGBT major.

She’s a slender part(?)-East Asian with dyed blonde-grey hair and Joan Crawford-sized socially constructed eyebrows.

Poor They was just out-hustled by this Tiger Daughter.

Screenshot 2017-01-23 00.13.59And then there’s They’s co-leader at They’s big protest, a South Asian Gender Studies major who is a wonderful example of Tiger Daughterism.

She’s pictured above and below.

(I’m going to leave names out.)

Here she is posing with a poster of herself as part of her campaign for student government.

Her Facebook page looks like an Ole Miss sorority leader’s Facebook page, with lots of pictures of herself looking fetching.

But the photos of her looking adorable also often come with denunciations of cis-heterosexist whites, suitable for getting ahead in Berkeley’s social climate.

For example, here’s her Facebook post announcing auditions for an anti-cis-heterosexist-white version of Eve Ensler’s Vagina Monologues:

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I particularly like how she posts numerous pictures of herself snuggling with her tall, square-jawed fraternity bro boyfriend, just like an Ole Miss sorority sister … but, being a Berkeley student, her exultation over her success in the heterosexual mating market is all, purportedly, in the name of LGBT Awareness:

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And this one:

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How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?

It’s just not fair.

As I wrote a few years ago:

Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?

 
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  1. Clyde says:

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?

    The SJW business is show business and …. “There’s No Business Like Show Business” from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

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    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.
     
    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).
    , @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son's Sikh friend from high school was about 6'6" by graduation even without the turban.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Of course, it could be that she's only 4'11".
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Her boyfriend is a white or whiteish guy. His last names is "Barnes" and he comes a California city with very few minorities. I won't include his first name (it's a fairly typical American name), just to maintain his privacy (his surname is common enough). I assume that maybe he's somehow mixed (perhaps part-Hispanic).

    Very unlikely he's Indian.

    , @marty
    "... tall for a sub continental kinda guy. "

    My nextdoor neighbor in SF is a full-on subcontinental Indian, sing-song accent and all. He's 6'5" .
    , @pyrrhus
    iSteve, we need another piece on whether the Hotties are taking over the Shoah business....
    , @FKA Max

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    Peter Buffett (Warren Buffett's son) put it this way. Sounds like the perfect Tiger mother and daughter hunting grounds to me:

    The Charitable-Industrial Complex

    By PETER BUFFETT
    Published: July 26, 2013

    I would hear people discuss transplanting what worked in one setting directly into another with little regard for culture, geography or societal norms. [...]

    Between 2001 and 2011, the number of nonprofits increased 25 percent. Their growth rate now exceeds that of both the business and government sectors. It’s a massive business, with approximately $316 billion given away in 2012 in the United States alone and more than 9.4 million employed.

    Philanthropy has become the “it” vehicle to level the playing field and has generated a growing number of gatherings, workshops and affinity groups.

    As more lives and communities are destroyed by the system that creates vast amounts of wealth for the few, the more heroic it sounds to “give back.” It’s what I would call “conscience laundering” — feeling better about accumulating more than any one person could possibly need to live on by sprinkling a little around as an act of charity.
     

    - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/opinion/the-charitable-industrial-complex.html
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  2. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    This SJW stuff…

    What is alarming is that so much of MSM(what should be real news) now peddle fake news whereas what used to be intentionally fake news on The Onion is now real news. Even Onion couldn’t have cooked up stuff this kooky. Some brown loonie goes on attempted murder spree — neo-Aztec sacrificial ritual? — , demands to be addressed as ‘they’, and there is an earnest discussion of his or they’s ‘gender’ rights. No one reads Onion anymore cuz they can get their dose of nuttery from MSM.

    Give SJW culture credit for one thing. We will never be bored. UVA nazi rape gang, Michael Brown the gentle giant, endless ‘hate hoaxes’, pussy hats, Putin is hitler, micro-aggressions, triggers, Muslim-feminist alliance, pussy riot are heroes, etc.

    When PC began to attack normality as sick and pushed the ‘new normal’(which is a euphemism for abnormal), this was bound to happen. Consider terms like ‘heteronormative’ as a negative word. I mean what can be more normal and natural than men and women falling in love and having kids? But ‘heteronormative’ became a slur. And ‘homophobia’ said you are sick in the head is you find homo stuff ‘gross’. Not just wrong, not just vile, but sick in the head.

    And the elites with institutional and legal power remade the law so that anyone who didn’t comply with the ‘new normal’ — abnormal supremacism — was destroyed.

    Conservatives ignored as just an itch or rash that could be ignored or tolerated, but it turned out to be cancerous and destroyed the souls of the millennial generation.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    Only with proper diagnosis can the disease be seen for what it is and handled correctly.

    Homomania was key in this rot because it overturned some of the most crucial and fundamental facts of biology and meaning of morality. By letting that one lunacy get a foothold as the ‘new normal’, all the other junk was bound to follow.

    Just like financial derivatives. Let some toxic stuff in, and standards become lowered and all the other toxic stuff also demands in. Result is financial meltdown of 2008.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.
     
    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” -- C.S. Lewis
    , @Daniel Chieh

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.
     
    Exactly. Everything we said about the slippery slope proved true. Its an endless growing cancer of their degenerate signaling to encompass ever larger numbers of freaks and would-be freaks seeking to be special.

    This has to be stopped.
    , @Ladini
    Identity Politics is indeed a Social "
    Cancer." It only multiplies through endless subdivision...until it finally kills it's Host.
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  3. Clyde says:

    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

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    Peter Turchin's concept of Elite Overproduction.
    , @Jim Christian
    Slate, New Republic and Atlantic? One of the worst pajama-boy SJW writers is quite "mainstream" at the Washington Post, Dana Milbank. He's in his thirties and freely admits he lives, that's right, in Mom's basement. His screed are infantile, complaining and perhaps reflect his own situation. Still, there he is for years now, sniffing up the a-hole of everyone and every situation that pisses him off, except with the compassion of a nod to SJW rhetoric toward this group or that, his virtue-signaling the real goal.

    The thing with SJW is the virtue-signaling, that is, "I'm good and compassionate and SJW". These folks, and Dana Milbank is one of them, are so bent they could be kidnapped by 6 Blacks, tied up, slapped around, robbed, sexually assaulted where the sun don't shine and left nekkid on the steps of the Washington Post, all fully documented on Skype, Facebook and Twitter. Given a robe, Dana Milbank would crawl to his desk and type out a screed about how it was all his fault, or Trump's fault, anyone's fault but the perpetrators because telling the TRUTH of the matter would instantly wipe out his SJW street cred.

    And so with that, where are we to find the truth? And what the hell are we thinking loaning money for this kind of "education"? What happened to the notion of "college material", as the average Liberal Arts pursuit and student are NOT. "You just aren't college material" a common refrain forty years back. And so the men go get a trade or bail to the military and the women go find a job and a husband, likely said tradesman that also not college material, but still perfectly worthy.

    When we force colleges to co-sign college loans, the worthless SJW degrees will instantly vanish because no one in those courses and programs could get a job to pay back their loans and the colleges sure wouldn't want to pay the loan. College for those who are college material, real college for real intellects. When we got to the point that everyone was deemed college material (and underwriting the concept), that was our doom, a foolish, idiotic concept. It was a scam. Do the math, check the dates, there's no arguing the point. Wanna MAGA? Go back to the concept of College Material, but enforce it by forcing colleges and universities to cosign loans. Nonsensical "Studies" programs AND the SJW culture will instantly disappear. T'would be for the best for everyone and everything, except for their endowments..
    , @Anonymous

    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.
     
    I worked in a job that dealt with federal government hiring and federal contractors and non-profits close to The Swamp. You can not imagine the glut of young upper-middle/upper-class, self-assured liberal females with straight-A poli-sci and area studies degrees from Georgetown U. School of Foreign Service, GWU, Tufts Fletcher School, Johns Hopkins School of Adv. In'tl Studies, et al., with extensive foreign travel, study abroad, internships, etc., who all are expecting to get into the federal government or some contractor working in geopolitical busybody work to save the world. My work has also covered IC work and so I can tell you first hand that this type has throughly infected State Dept. and CIA and is the reason Trump really has to shut down CIA and move those intelligence operations to DoD.
    , @Jimi
    That's why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.
    , @Triumph104
    SJWs can work in public schools. Many high schools have ethnic studies classes. At least one high school in San Francisco has a race relation class. SJWs have worked tirelessly to end the "school to prison pipeline", so now misbehaving kids can't be suspended and kids are allowed to talk on their cell phones during class. New York City is actively recruiting "non-white male" teachers without fear of reprisal from the government.

    SJWs are also demanding that classrooms and entire schools be racially and economically balanced to reflect the demographics of the school district. The kids aren't actually learning anything, but that is not the social justice warrior's problem. If a child cannot meet a standard, the SJW demands that the standard be lowered.
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  4. IHTG says:

    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?

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    Thanks.
    , @Daniel H
    >>Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?<<

    Ha, ha. You are on a roll. Keep it going.
    , @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs
    , @Bleuteaux
    I work in Corporate America. "Diversity" is a scam designed to shelter upper class white men from financial and sexual competition. An upper class / upper management white dude introduces "diversity" to his organization in order to demonstrate his commitment to SJW-ism. The non-white male patrons reward said dude by never, ever criticizing a single thing he does, and by ratting out the individual contributors or first-level managers who say anything. Non-white male patrons will never seriously challenge an upper class white guy, who gives them prizes and gifts, for power in an organization.

    Meanwhile, the introduction of protected persons introduces enormous tension in the organization at the individual contributor position. Moderately unacttractive or unattractive beta white males are required to pick up the pace left by non-whites employees, and to do so with a smile. The situation works to the advantage of upper management, by keeping employees distracted and conflicted with one another rather than competing for management positions. Also, the whites required to pick up the pace increasingly have SJW women and sub-cons for management, who will never care about workloads.

    , @Njguy73
    "For long periods the High seem to be securely in power...They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. " - Emmanuel Goldstein
    , @NOTA
    And to push back, we elected a rich guy whose a super salesman and telegenic self-promoter. Hmmm....
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  5. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Didn’t Enrique win Sailer’s ‘man of the year’ award?

    I think 2016 winner should go to ‘they’ but maybe it should ‘men or women of the year’. After all, he or she or it is ‘they’.

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    They of theyear
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  6. @Clyde
    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    Peter Turchin’s concept of Elite Overproduction.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Blame Rich, Overeducated Elites as Our Society Frays by Peter Turchin https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-11-20/blame-rich-overeducated-elites-as-our-society-frays

    Elite overproduction generally leads to more intra-elite competition that gradually undermines the spirit of cooperation, which is followed by ideological polarization and fragmentation of the political class. This happens because the more contenders there are, the more of them end up on the losing side. A large class of disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access to elite positions. Consider the Antebellum U.S.
     
    He gets it! As in the cliche - Too many chiefs and not enough Indians? But we have more than enough Indians.
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  7. @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    Thanks.

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  8. O'Really says:

    A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics. She is also a marathon runner and has an incredible singing voice, based on readily YouTube videos.

    And yet she was only able to get 40 people to turn out for her anti-rape protest at Berkeley:

    http://www.dailycal.org/2016/09/08/students-protest-former-berkeley-law-dean-returns-campus/

    I think she missed her calling. What a waste of potential, thanks to Steve’s tax dollars.

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    She's hot in one photo but in the others she's putting out a vague Jackie Coakley vibe which is a tad unnerving. Maybe she's Jackie with a bit more talent and savvy. Though Jackie did fool a few hundred million people.

    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..
    , @Mr. Anon
    "A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics."

    Really? How so? I'm frankly skeptical of that claim.

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  9. IHTG says:

    Is Anita Sarkeesian a Tiger Daughter?

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPbgNVuaEI

    She can sniff out a profitable scam when it's nearby anyway.
    , @Autochthon
    I'd never heard of this creature so I investigated. The excerpts from Webpages in the list of results indicated she was "Canadian-American" and her photograph indicated she was Asian so I smelt a rat. Sure enough, she's an Iraqi (ethnically Armenian).

    Please let's all stop entertaining these lunatics' pretended nationalities and ethnicities just as we don't entertain their pretended sexes.

    The "Texan boy" with the clock was not. The "Floridian man" who murdered the homosexuals in Orlando was not.

    And so on. Calling these people Texan, Floridian, French, etc. should be met with just as much outcry in the media as that crazy white lady (Dolezel?) who pretended to be black was met with. But it never is.

    So we pretend Salma Hayek, a relatively fair, attractive, and buxom Lebanese lady is representative of swarthy, ugly, pudgy mestizos in Mexico.

    We pretend murderous Somalis, Arabs, etc. are British, American, and French.

    On and on it goes. You don't get to dictate your own identity. Sure, you can take up surfing or learn to play a piano, study chemistry rather than philosophy. But those are behaviours. If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I'll still be a 5'10" American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body. Period. If I described myself as the Dutchman I'd be pitied, ridiculed, reviled, or some combination thereof. At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.

    We must stop humouring the pretenders and play-actors. You wanna be something you aren't? Fine, call over some friends to play Dungeons & Dragons. You can be an elven knight. When the game is over, though, you have to go back to being you; no one at the office is going to treat you like an elf come Monday morning.
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  10. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    This is insightful, Steve.

    But rather than a Michael Lewis article, how about Daniel Waters rebooting his Heathers screenplay and setting it among aspiring SJWs at Berkeley?

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    Good God, that is brilliant. How can I get a share of that? You should shop it around, or if not local to Hollywood perhaps ask Steve for assistance.
    , @Njguy73
    Put the 1994 comedy "PCU" on your Netflix queue. You'll thank me later.
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  11. So, it’s rising Tiger Daughters taking these jobs away from the earlier generation of white leaders claiming to be less white than they look, from Jorge Ramos and Elizabeth Warren to Shaun King.

    Also see this Asian-looking woman complaining about how whites make more money per hour than various other races, with a comparison to Asian earnings conspicuous by its absence: https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/photos/a.594779487326617.1073741828.423006854503882/827105254094038/?type=3&permPage=1

    Are there no worthy successors to Al Sharpton? I actually admire him.

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    Let's not forget the renouned "American Indian" "scholar" Ward Churchill.

    Among arrivés politicians, we have the inimitable Warren Wilhelm (or vas it Varren Vilhelm? Vone forgets.) who currently prefers to be known as Bill de Blasio.

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  12. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    You know who else might feel threatened by comely, young Bay Area lady SJWs?

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    Amazing how this freak of nature always manages to land on her feet. Lib networking is powerful but usually involves sucking off government funding (ripping off the taxpayer) in some way shape or form. The .edu racket for example.
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  13. Twinkie says:
    @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.

    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

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    It's just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white. Blacks are dumber on average than whites; so a really smart black must be part-white. (Though: South Asians are, on average, also dumber than whites; so a really smart South Asian must be high caste. So the assumption is not always white ancestry.)

    And often these things are true. Really smart blacks are often lighter skinned than dumb blacks. Not always, of course, but it's not a bad bet to think that smart blacks (even if darker complexioned, since genes responsible for skin color are different from the genes responsible for intelligence) have a higher percentage of white ancestry. Or that very tall South Asians might have European ancestry. It's never sure. The commentator you've replied to added the word "maybe".
    , @reiner Tor
    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.
    , @res

    There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India
     
    Any idea why this is? Cold adaptation?

    It seems odd to me to attribute the Korea/Japan height difference to a north-south gradient given they are at a similar latitude. Am I missing something? Is the gradient that steep?

    P.S. Glad to see you commenting again.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

     

    Most Koreans live farther north than most Japanese:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sea#/media/File%3APopulationDensityYellowSea.png

    Koreans have much more Siberian paleo hunter-gatherer genes than the Japanese do from what I gather
     
    I gathered as much from just two days in Seoul in 1985. There seemed to be two distinct races there, one about halfway between Japan and China facially, the other, right off the horse from Mongolia.
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  14. snorlax says:
    @Anon
    Didn't Enrique win Sailer's 'man of the year' award?

    http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/HT_enrique_marquez_jr_ml_151207_4x3_608.jpg

    I think 2016 winner should go to 'they' but maybe it should 'men or women of the year'. After all, he or she or it is 'they'.

    They of theyear

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    Tom Wolfe again (in I am Charlotte Simmons the lesbo-oriented arch-arrogant anti-white SJW is an Asian tigresse).

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?

    That’s can’t be helped. Where there’s a treasure trove you’ll get the staunchest narcissists, wealth-maximizers and status-maximizers, both the healthy and not so healthy variety.

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  16. Twinkie says:

    And then there’s They’s co-leader at They’s big protest, a South Asian Gender Studies major who is a wonderful example of Tiger Daughterism.

    Is the “tiger…” moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don’t do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w

    Although Indian emigre parents have high expectations of their children as East Asian emigre parents do, my general impression is that the former tend to be much more indulgent and pampering in non-academic matters than the latter are.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_tiger
    , @üeljang
    "Is the 'tiger…' moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians?"

    It's even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west (alongside the color white and the element metal/gold/money). (However, the tiger also can represent ENE of the compass or the third two-hour division of a day according to the East Asian zodiac.)

    , @PiltdownMan

    Is the “tiger…” moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don’t do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w
     
    At least one South Asian Indian has claimed that she belongs to the "elephant mom" school of parenting. She may have a point. I know a couple of Indian families quite well, and they are more like the stereotypical Jewish mothers of yore. Not that they don't want their kids to end up in law school or medical school.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/12/elephant-mom-timeof-tigermother/383378/
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  17. @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    Maybe he’s Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son’s Sikh friend from high school was about 6’6″ by graduation even without the turban.

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    When I went through Yuba City one time, I noticed a lot of turban-wearing Indian Sikhs. Really huge and heavy by the standards of Indian people. Lots of guys in the 200-250 lb range and also pretty tall sometimes too, often over 6ft. Some of them sort of look Middle Eastern too and are often a bit lighter than the average Indian.

    Here's a representative picture of what they seem to look like.

    https://twitter.com/Sikh24/status/789269271838855168

    https://twitter.com/Siliconeer/status/790006439435571200

    Compared to other Indians, they look rougher, fatter, and burlier.

    Apparently, there were lots of them in the British Indian army.
    , @Jimi
    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.
    , @Hodag
    Sikhs are huge, especially when they get vitamin D milk and beef in the USA in childhood.
    , @TWS
    The Sikhs I know are tall as well but my only Anglo-Indian friend was short. Five five maybe. His boys were tall though.
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  18. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    And then there’s They’s co-leader at They’s big protest, a South Asian Gender Studies major who is a wonderful example of Tiger Daughterism.
     
    Is the "tiger..." moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn't we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don't do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w

    Although Indian emigre parents have high expectations of their children as East Asian emigre parents do, my general impression is that the former tend to be much more indulgent and pampering in non-academic matters than the latter are.
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    Yes, but are there Indian guys doing this with Bengal tigers? http://www.mediod.com/blog/2014/11/8/siberian-tiger-the-remarkable-story-of-sooyong-park
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  19. @Twinkie

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.
     
    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white. Blacks are dumber on average than whites; so a really smart black must be part-white. (Though: South Asians are, on average, also dumber than whites; so a really smart South Asian must be high caste. So the assumption is not always white ancestry.)

    And often these things are true. Really smart blacks are often lighter skinned than dumb blacks. Not always, of course, but it’s not a bad bet to think that smart blacks (even if darker complexioned, since genes responsible for skin color are different from the genes responsible for intelligence) have a higher percentage of white ancestry. Or that very tall South Asians might have European ancestry. It’s never sure. The commentator you’ve replied to added the word “maybe”.

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    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.
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  20. @Twinkie

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.
     
    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.

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    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.
     
    It likely has little to do with climate, and more to do with genetics and diet. I suspect Punjabis are taller on average than Kashmiris. And Nepalis are quite short.
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  21. @Clyde
    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    Slate, New Republic and Atlantic? One of the worst pajama-boy SJW writers is quite “mainstream” at the Washington Post, Dana Milbank. He’s in his thirties and freely admits he lives, that’s right, in Mom’s basement. His screed are infantile, complaining and perhaps reflect his own situation. Still, there he is for years now, sniffing up the a-hole of everyone and every situation that pisses him off, except with the compassion of a nod to SJW rhetoric toward this group or that, his virtue-signaling the real goal.

    The thing with SJW is the virtue-signaling, that is, “I’m good and compassionate and SJW”. These folks, and Dana Milbank is one of them, are so bent they could be kidnapped by 6 Blacks, tied up, slapped around, robbed, sexually assaulted where the sun don’t shine and left nekkid on the steps of the Washington Post, all fully documented on Skype, Facebook and Twitter. Given a robe, Dana Milbank would crawl to his desk and type out a screed about how it was all his fault, or Trump’s fault, anyone’s fault but the perpetrators because telling the TRUTH of the matter would instantly wipe out his SJW street cred.

    And so with that, where are we to find the truth? And what the hell are we thinking loaning money for this kind of “education”? What happened to the notion of “college material”, as the average Liberal Arts pursuit and student are NOT. “You just aren’t college material” a common refrain forty years back. And so the men go get a trade or bail to the military and the women go find a job and a husband, likely said tradesman that also not college material, but still perfectly worthy.

    When we force colleges to co-sign college loans, the worthless SJW degrees will instantly vanish because no one in those courses and programs could get a job to pay back their loans and the colleges sure wouldn’t want to pay the loan. College for those who are college material, real college for real intellects. When we got to the point that everyone was deemed college material (and underwriting the concept), that was our doom, a foolish, idiotic concept. It was a scam. Do the math, check the dates, there’s no arguing the point. Wanna MAGA? Go back to the concept of College Material, but enforce it by forcing colleges and universities to cosign loans. Nonsensical “Studies” programs AND the SJW culture will instantly disappear. T’would be for the best for everyone and everything, except for their endowments..

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    Ask Milbank about Israel, and watch the concern for social justice disappear.
    , @Percy Gryce
    Placet.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Pretty late to this thread, but just on this point - school loans, the conservatives could learn something from libertarians (of course, vice versa). The reason this loan bubble is out of control and up to about $1,400,000,000,000 right now, with a significant chunk in default, is due to US government backing of these loans.

    No loan officer would have gotten away with a loan to most of the people that Steve mentions on an almost daily basis, if this were 1980. He would be fired for taking on risky debt like this. It doesn't matter now, as the bank wins no matter what. They get the origination fee, and can collect interest or sell the debt right away. Why not loan $120,000 over 4 years to a sicko majoring in transgenderbender studies? It' s a win-win-win-lose*

    Were governments of all sorts out of the education business (along with most other businesses) we wouldn't have to put up with this nonsense.

    * University-bank-student-taxpayer. You, the taxpayer, Mr. Jim Christian, are a co-signer, whether you remember doing it or not.
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  22. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Peter Turchin's concept of Elite Overproduction.

    Blame Rich, Overeducated Elites as Our Society Frays by Peter Turchin https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-11-20/blame-rich-overeducated-elites-as-our-society-frays

    Elite overproduction generally leads to more intra-elite competition that gradually undermines the spirit of cooperation, which is followed by ideological polarization and fragmentation of the political class. This happens because the more contenders there are, the more of them end up on the losing side. A large class of disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access to elite positions. Consider the Antebellum U.S.

    He gets it! As in the cliche – Too many chiefs and not enough Indians? But we have more than enough Indians.

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  23. Danindc says:

    Interesting analysis Steve. That said, if you do ever get the chance to see an intersectional version of the Vagina Monologues don’t miss out…

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  24. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_tiger

    Yes, but are there Indian guys doing this with Bengal tigers? http://www.mediod.com/blog/2014/11/8/siberian-tiger-the-remarkable-story-of-sooyong-park

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  25. Altai says:
    @IHTG
    Is Anita Sarkeesian a Tiger Daughter?

    She can sniff out a profitable scam when it’s nearby anyway.

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  26. jtgw says:

    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

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    "I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest."

    This is a serious philosophical question that I have been grappling with.

    On the one hand, there is the phrase "hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue". If people can just parade their worst instincts in the open, without the pretense of having to be virtuous, there is no incentive for improvement or check on their behavior.

    But there is a lot to be said for honesty. The victims know better what is coming and have a chance to take counter-measures. There is a reason crooks use dishonesty more often.

    So on balance, I would prefer to live in the society more up-front about these things.
    , @Pericles
    We used to have 'noblesse oblige'.
    , @EdwardM
    Does this sort of characterize Russia? The people are not driven by ideology or principle, so society is paternalistic, fatalistic, and corrupt, with the peasants gladly following and genuinely admiring the Big Man of the day. Perhaps there is a departure in eastern Christianity from western Christian values of individual self-worth.
    , @Tex

    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.
     
    I think we used to call that the American Way.
    , @a scruffian
    Like 'Tex' says, that was America (or at least how America was perceived by the relatively sophisticated and hypocritical Brits) circa 1865--1965.
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  27. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor
    It's just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white. Blacks are dumber on average than whites; so a really smart black must be part-white. (Though: South Asians are, on average, also dumber than whites; so a really smart South Asian must be high caste. So the assumption is not always white ancestry.)

    And often these things are true. Really smart blacks are often lighter skinned than dumb blacks. Not always, of course, but it's not a bad bet to think that smart blacks (even if darker complexioned, since genes responsible for skin color are different from the genes responsible for intelligence) have a higher percentage of white ancestry. Or that very tall South Asians might have European ancestry. It's never sure. The commentator you've replied to added the word "maybe".

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.

    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity – there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It’s one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it’s another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I’m East Asian and 6′ 2″. It’d be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

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    If you have little information, you still need some model in your head. Tall (and, generally big) East Asians do exist, I've seen many, so I, for example, never assume tall East Asians to have any white ancestry.
    , @bomag

    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity
     
    Indeed, but we are dealing with a guy walking around a US college campus. My first impression was that he was some kind of White guy.

    I'm sure if I was walking around Mumbai Bombay I would draw the opposite conclusion, and figure a swarthy European was a local.

    , @Hosswire
    Hey, pal. Around here, we notice patterns & generalities.

    If you want to call people names for using heuristics, go to SJW land.
    , @27 year old
    You're really reaching with this. With India, with its history of English colonial rule, White guys being the apex alphas well above the sadistic local caste system or whatever bullshit, it's a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry. Quit SJWing up the blog. You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey
    , @Daniel Chieh
    What is your ancestry? Northern Chinese?
    , @AMWF
    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences. As stated before, young Korean men are taller than young Japanese men. On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.

    1. Average Height of a male in Shandong = 175.44cm
    Average Height of a male in Beijing = 175.33cm
    http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/01/average-heights-men-women.php

    2. Average Height of a male in the UK = 175.3cm
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11534042
    , @Eagle Eye

    I’m East Asian and 6′ 2″. It’d be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.
     
    Sure. And your skin tone just happens to be lighter than that of 98% of East Asians.
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  28. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor
    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.

    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.

    It likely has little to do with climate, and more to do with genetics and diet. I suspect Punjabis are taller on average than Kashmiris. And Nepalis are quite short.

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    It likely has little to do with climate, and more to do with genetics and diet.
     
    Selection usually favors bigger animals in cold climates. But true, Nepalis are a counter-example.

    I've seen Tibetans, though, and they seemed to be bigger, similar to North Chinese, who in my experience are quite big (at least the young people, I'm not sure about older ones).
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  29. @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    Of course, it could be that she’s only 4’11″.

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  30. üeljang says:
    @Twinkie

    And then there’s They’s co-leader at They’s big protest, a South Asian Gender Studies major who is a wonderful example of Tiger Daughterism.
     
    Is the "tiger..." moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn't we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don't do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w

    Although Indian emigre parents have high expectations of their children as East Asian emigre parents do, my general impression is that the former tend to be much more indulgent and pampering in non-academic matters than the latter are.

    “Is the ‘tiger…’ moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians?”

    It’s even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west (alongside the color white and the element metal/gold/money). (However, the tiger also can represent ENE of the compass or the third two-hour division of a day according to the East Asian zodiac.)

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    It’s even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west
     
    But the tiger (Siberian Tiger) is the national symbol of Korea. It features heavily in the Korean national foundational mythology (along with a bear turning into a human female and marrying the son of heaven and founding the Korean people). It was also the mascot of the 1988 Seoul Olympics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodori

    And South Korea's most renowned unit in the Vietnam War was the Tiger Division: https://youtu.be/ixRSRcE_Wew

    The Tigers were considered uncanny for their ability to search territory and smoke out enemy soldiers and weapons. They would plan operations meticulously and sometimes even rehearse it beforehand. The soldiers would seal off a relatively small area, no more than 9 or 10 square kilometers. Troops would be brought in by air and land, but would arrive at the same time to maximize the chokehold. Slowly but surely the cordon would be tightened, and everyone and everything would be searched. Civilians were separated and interrogated, routinely offered rewards if they cooperated. It was not unusual for an area to be searched three or four times by different platoons. To prevent enemy breakouts, the Koreans had special reaction forces that could plug holes in the perimeter. General William R. Peers considered the Koreans the best at these so-called "cordon and search operations."
     
    An older buddy of mine who served in Vietnam called the Tiger Division AOR the safest area in all of Vietnam.
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  31. George says:

    The Hairy Ape – Eugene O’Neill

    The Hairy Ape is a 1922 expressionist play by American playwright Eugene O’Neill. It is about a brutish, unthinking laborer known as Yank, the antagonist of the play, as he searches for a sense of belonging in a world controlled by the rich. At first, Yank feels secure as he stokes the engines of an ocean liner, and is highly confident in his physical power over the ship’s engines and his men.

    However, when the rich daughter of an industrialist in the steel business refers to him as a “filthy beast”, Yank undergoes a crisis of identity and so starts his mental and physical deterioration. He leaves the ship and wanders into Manhattan, only to find he does not belong anywhere—neither with the socialites on Fifth Avenue, nor with the labor organizers on the waterfront. In a fight for social belonging, Yank’s mental state disintegrates into animalistic, and in the end he is defeated by an ape in which Yank’s character has been reflected. The Hairy Ape is a portrayal of the impact industrialization and social class has on the dynamic character Yank.

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  32. @Twinkie

    India has some colder regions with really cold winters, which probably makes those regions similar to regions way to the north.
     
    It likely has little to do with climate, and more to do with genetics and diet. I suspect Punjabis are taller on average than Kashmiris. And Nepalis are quite short.

    It likely has little to do with climate, and more to do with genetics and diet.

    Selection usually favors bigger animals in cold climates. But true, Nepalis are a counter-example.

    I’ve seen Tibetans, though, and they seemed to be bigger, similar to North Chinese, who in my experience are quite big (at least the young people, I’m not sure about older ones).

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  33. anonguy says:

    OT, but just like that, poof, TPP is gone….

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/trump-dumping-trans-pacific-partnership/

    Just that easy. Reminds me of an Economist cover at the end of 1989 and the fall of all the Warsaw Pact regimes.

    “They just had to say boo!”.

    That’s where we are now. This stuff is going to be dropping like flies.

    Oh, in case anyone hasn’t noticed, ol’ Mad Dog Mattis is wasting no time smiting ISIS, something being ignored in the press.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/22/mattis-celebrates-first-day-at-pentagon-by-blowing-up-isis-31-times/

    Remember, they said they were going to wrap up ISIS in 30 days or something.

    We are living in a time of myth, legend, and giants.

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    I just hope they don't hit any CIA liaisons.
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  34. @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    If you have little information, you still need some model in your head. Tall (and, generally big) East Asians do exist, I’ve seen many, so I, for example, never assume tall East Asians to have any white ancestry.

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    It's more something that one can see facially, where I might guess. Half Asians are usually identifiable as such. But in places like Hong Kong, there has been mixing over 6 generations or so. Phenotypically you see more European features than in Shenzhen across the border, when riding public transport. Still overwhelmingly Chinese but you do see some features that are likely echoes of ancestors.

    I never thought to include height with the analysis.
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  35. Bill B. says:

    OT

    Is is just me or are the cockroach-aliens working the shell of the ‘human’ known as George Soros having increasing problems maintaining outward appearances? Proof that MIB wasn’t fiction?

    (In the case of ‘Michael Moore’ of course they appear to have given up trying.)

    http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/

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    (In the case of ‘Michael Moore’ of course they appear to have given up trying.)
     
    Michael Moore has finally revealed his true identity: a fat ugly old lesbian.
    , @Lurker
    Michael Moore is a cunningly disguised mothership.
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  36. @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    Her boyfriend is a white or whiteish guy. His last names is “Barnes” and he comes a California city with very few minorities. I won’t include his first name (it’s a fairly typical American name), just to maintain his privacy (his surname is common enough). I assume that maybe he’s somehow mixed (perhaps part-Hispanic).

    Very unlikely he’s Indian.

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  37. A few observations.

    1. I’ve noticed that among SJW/feminist women, there are disprortionately high percentage of Indian/Paki women. They’re something like 1.5% of the national population and mostly new immigrants, but they are very noticeable in activism. It’s interesting. For example, Hillary seemed pretty close to a few South Asian women (Huma Abedin, Neera Tanden), but she didn’t seem to hang out much with Asians.

    2. Asians actually seem underrepresented among SJWs. I see some, but their representation is far smaller than their proportion of the population. Asians outnumber Indian/Pakis by a 2.5 to 1 ratio nationally, but are strongly outnumbered in the SJW world. Asian men are actually even more underrepresented as SJWs than Asian women. For whatever reason, Asians (especially Asian males) aren’t drawn to activism much.

    3. Asian and Indian/Paki women have different personality types. Asian women (on the surface) are usually demure and try to be socially pleasing. Indian/Paki women are huge ball busters with attitude. Worse than white feminists and maybe even worse than Jewish women. That may influence their politics.

    4. Both Asian and Indian/Paki women are really into white men. I’m not surprised that this girl’s boyfriend is white. Both races seem to regard their men as being undesirable and can be fairly accesible if you’re a white guy. Indian/Paki women seem to have an especially strong revulsion towards their men. Interestingly, Indian/Paki women seem to often marry their own men in the end. They’re accesible for dating, but have a strong perference for in-group marriages. They may rail against the white patriarchy, but they like dating it too.

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    while 1.5% of the population may be South Asian, they are closer to 3% of the youth population and 5% of the college students in America are South Asian. Most South Asians live in 3 states, California, New York and New Jersey. These states are more likely to produce SJWs.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    SJWs infuriate me. I'm obviously Asian.

    I have an innately conservative streak to begin with, but their logic is nonsensical to itself(equality, except for the people we don't like) and their ideal world is disgusting(everyone is exactly identical, with no place for villains or heroes). A world where SJWs win, at its very best, is a world of the death of all meaning.

    As SJWs would remove my sense of identity completely, I can't exist in their world and I can only exist in complete opposition to them.

    , @Bill B.
    Sub-continental caste frictions trigger paranoia, status anxiety and promote constant vigilance.

    So perhaps no surprise?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Please forgive me if you think I've got no bidness writing this since I'm not a long-term poster, but:

    Are you all politically correct here? This site (unz in general) seems to be a place for honesty - so can we use the term Oriental, please? I mean, I keep reading Asian, and y'all know Asia is a big continent, that includes India. Why qualify it with E. Asian S. Asian, whatever? It's confusing the living crap outta me.

    What makes anyone on here thing that Oriental is a slur? If you do, I think you've got some, just a little bit, of the brainwashing that we see in some of the kooks that we can read about on this site. Oriental means Eastern and all you smart people (I'm not being sarcastic) know that. (It IS funny that the Orient is far west for us here in America, but the term, "Far East" originated in Europe, I imagine). My wife is Oriental, and does not see that term as a slur.

    How about you, Mr. Daniel Cheih? I really respect you from your posts - what say you?

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  38. Matt Forney (a contributor to the site run by Turkish-American pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh) had an interesting article about Indian/Paki women.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls

    If you live in the west, dating an Indian girl is one of the worst decisions you can make. Indians combine the worst of their native culture and the worst of American culture in one disgusting, rancid stew. Here’s why you should never date—or even pump and dump—an Indian girl.

    1. They’re unattractive
    Forget about Aishwaryi Rai and every other smoking hot Bollywood actress you’ve ever seen: the average Indian girl has a Coke can physique and bad genes. While not as disgustingly obese as the average American, even fit Desi girls are packing more poundage than any girl should be legally allowed to have. Even if she’s in shape, expect her to balloon up like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man the minute she gets a ring on it. Have you ever seen a skinny Indian woman over the age of 35? Thought not.
    Not only that, even decent-looking Indian girls have unappealing bodies. Desis may have big butts, but their asses and breasts are always squishy and soft, like a bowl of Jell-O. Additionally, every single Indian girl I’ve ever known had too much body hair. Combine that with their obesity-prone genetics and you might as well be sleeping with a fat guy.

    2. They’re prudes
    When I say Indian girls are prudish, I don’t mean they’re hard to get in the sack: God no. I mean they have all sorts of bizarre sexual hangups that make banging them about as fun as thrusting your dick into a vacuum cleaner. Indian girls have sexually conservative attitudes thanks to their parents, and navigating their sea of rationalizations is a prerequisite for getting your rocks off.
    The first Indian girl I ever banged, in college, was an “everything-but” virgin, in that she did everything but normal, vaginal intercourse: blowjobs, anal, the whole nine yards. She actually believed that this excused all the slutting around she did. Another Desi I met not long after refused to go down on me, saying it was “gross”… even as she bragged about how much she loved it when guys went down on her. These selfish attitudes are reinforced by the spoiled, daddy’s little girl mentalities that Indian girls have.

    3. They’re self-loathing
    Membdiscussions by whining about how they can’t get white girls because of their brown skin. Indian girls possess the same exact inferiority complex. Every Indian girl I’ve ever known secretly loathed her ethnic heritage, wanted to be white, and fetishized white men to a degree that was downright creepy.
    What separates Indian girls from other Asian girls, who wear their lust for white men on their sleeves, is their obsession with their native culture. Indian girls raised in the U.S. will never shut up about the glories of India, a nation where poor people shit on the streets and the government has to force people to use toilets. Meanwhile, these same loud-and-proud Indian girls date white men and complain about Indian men being “misogynistic” and “controllingers of the Roosh V Forum are well aware of Indian Race Trolls, self-loathing Indian men who hijack .”

    4. They’re feminists
    For some reason, Indian girls in the U.S. are unusually susceptible to feminist and social justice warrior brain rot. Despite their wealthy, cushy upbringings, Indian girls almost always become ardent feminists, swallowing the cultural Marxist program whole. SJWs like Beejoli Shah, who invent stories about being raped, are representative of the average Indian girl and the noxious ideological soup she bathes in.
    Indian girls justify their misandry by claiming that Indian culture is “sexist” and “patriarchal,” but this couldn’t be further from the truth. Indian families are matriarchal, with mothers dominating their husbands and children. In particular, Indian mothers control their sons with guilt trips and shame, which is why so many of them become sackless weaklings and Indian Race Trolls. Indian girls growing up in America are some of the most privileged people on Earth.

    5. They’re mentally ill
    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but Indian girls are almost always off their rockers. When you combine SJW ideology, racial self-loathing, and bizarre attitudes towards sex, you end up with a psycho. Dating an Indian girl will be a constant roller coaster of fights, drama and frustration, with your only reward being getting to nail a hirsute chick with a pudding pop ass.
    The absolute worst types of Indian girls are the ones adopted by white couples, fairly common in upper-middle class America. The most insane girl I ever banged was an Indian with white parents: she was a borderline who tried to provoke me into hitting her because she felt I was “neglecting” her. While she didn’t mindfuck me in the way that BPD girls usually do to their men, the abusive relationship screwed me up for months after it ended.
    The only justifiable reason to pursue a Desi girl is because you want to get your Indian flag. But hanging around them longer than it takes to bust on their faces will end in tragedy for you. When it comes to girls, any ethnicity or race is a better bet than Indians.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    All that being said (and that's a heck of a lot), I have seldom encountered a more strident subpop of SJWs than subcontinent Indian males. No sooner does their overloaded 747 from Delhi set down at ORD or JFK than they start in with the "kill all the white Christian males" thing that we already get 24/7. Good thing there's only a billion more on the way, right? We need someone like Donald Trump for president, I'm telling you.
    , @The most deplorable one
    I always thought that Roosh was Armenian. I guess the Armenian Holocaust was pretty effective.
    , @Percy Gryce
    Matt Forney had some bad luck. I've had two Desi girlfriends and they were both great--for the short term: a super smart Tamil brahmin and a hot Bengali kshatriya. The Bengali is still the sexiest woman I have ever known. They both married endogamously.
    , @anon
    (2) is not strange; it is the standard Bill Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" defense.

    Many Christians, especially evangelicals, believe in this (and act similarly). They wear a "Purity ring" or "The Silver Ring Thing".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ring

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Ring_Thing
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  39. Daniel H says:
    @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    >>Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?<<

    Ha, ha. You are on a roll. Keep it going.

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    It's almost like the leaders of the "left" want people to rally around everything but class consciousness.
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  40. @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?

    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering ‘conservative’ commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

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    There are additional reasons for that too, though: much like Milo, it gives them significant cover against people who would destroy them simply by the virtue of their sex. In terms of actual privilege and taboos, the "young attractive woman" is the most protected and is the hardest to attack regardless of their position.
    , @Cloudbuster
    I've noticed that phenomenon for years. The truth is that virtually none of the women on the right save Ann Coulter really stand out intellectually. But nerdy conservative guys are very vulnerable to the temptation to White Knight or "fanboy" conservative females like the ones you mention (and I can easily list another half dozen off the top of my head).

    The same follows when we get a token minority star like Milo or Ben Carson (remember Andrew Sullivan and Herman Cain?). We often give them a pass on actually establishing their cred through hard work, like a Thomas Sowell, and by doing so, we end up doing them no favors.

    , @Lugash
    Add Katherine Timpf to the top of that list.
    , @whorefinder
    Well, they do often offer a lot of non-Left guys some sexual validation for their beliefs. When 90% of the Hollywood women are pushing lefty beliefs, it can be depressing and disheartening for a guy to have his non-Lefty beliefs; by having them, he might be sexually shut out. Hot women espousing non-lefty beliefs are going to keep him from changing his politics, because he feels validated.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    They're quite young and haven't been afforded the time to develop their thinking before their youth and good looks placed them center-stage. So they're more like the equivalent of a newscaster than a journalist. I agree that there is a parallel with SJW's parlaying activism into a career. Still, any young woman who is publicly critical of feminism and left politics likely develops considerable depth to her thinking early on, due to constantly being challenged and antagonized. Also don't forget that conventionally feminine women are more disposed to people-pleasing than men are, and more sensitive to being disliked, disparaged, and ominously threatened. In that sense, it takes guts for a young woman to get out there against the status quo. I wouldn't be able to handle it.

    Also, I will forever defend Lauren Southern just for this video alone (1:50):

    https://youtu.be/x7vHvclMgYI?t=133

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  41. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son's Sikh friend from high school was about 6'6" by graduation even without the turban.

    When I went through Yuba City one time, I noticed a lot of turban-wearing Indian Sikhs. Really huge and heavy by the standards of Indian people. Lots of guys in the 200-250 lb range and also pretty tall sometimes too, often over 6ft. Some of them sort of look Middle Eastern too and are often a bit lighter than the average Indian.

    Here’s a representative picture of what they seem to look like.

    Compared to other Indians, they look rougher, fatter, and burlier.

    Apparently, there were lots of them in the British Indian army.

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    I think one of them wrestled in WWE a few years ago.

    https://twitter.com/undertaker1085/status/820628144633810945

    I remember one time, the WWE announcers asked any women (in the audience) if they wanted to come up on stage and kiss Khali. Of the few women who came up, almost all of them were ridiculously obese.
    , @Clyde

    Yuba City Sikhs Raise $135,000 For Sikh Awareness And Media Campaign In America - What are Sihks doing in this rural California area.
     
    They must be farmers! Orchards. Seriously! Financed by low interest Federal minority business loans?!?! Ya think?
    ______________
    July 22nd, 2014: The farmland around Yuba City in Northern California produces almost the entire crop of the country's canned peaches, and two-thirds of its walnuts, almonds, pistachios and plums.
    It's also home to a large and deeply-rooted Punjabi American community. But farmers there, like those across the state, are facing severe challenges due to the ongoing drought. [See full story below - Ed]

    Jul 06, 2014 : YUBA CITY, Calif. — Didar Singh Bains, the legendary “peach king of California,” remains optimistic even as a severe California drought threatens to wipe out the $58 million agricultural business that his family has built up over seven generations. (what a lie, they are including farms in India too!)

    The National Weather Service June 19 declared all of California to be under severe drought conditions. The California Department of Water Resources — citing one of the hottest winters in history and greatly-reduced snow-pack levels and reservoirs — announced May 6 that it would only deliver five percent of the water it would distribute in a normal year.

    , @Bosch
    Sikhs tend to be big, broad dudes. There was something of a South Asian clique in my high school and, even un-turbaned, the Singhs were easily discernible from the narrower, more spindly Bengalis.

    That's the reason Sikhs don't really get bullied, despite the over-the-top headgear. They're also overrepresented in the American military, fwiw.
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  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    When I went through Yuba City one time, I noticed a lot of turban-wearing Indian Sikhs. Really huge and heavy by the standards of Indian people. Lots of guys in the 200-250 lb range and also pretty tall sometimes too, often over 6ft. Some of them sort of look Middle Eastern too and are often a bit lighter than the average Indian.

    Here's a representative picture of what they seem to look like.

    https://twitter.com/Sikh24/status/789269271838855168

    https://twitter.com/Siliconeer/status/790006439435571200

    Compared to other Indians, they look rougher, fatter, and burlier.

    Apparently, there were lots of them in the British Indian army.

    I think one of them wrestled in WWE a few years ago.

    I remember one time, the WWE announcers asked any women (in the audience) if they wanted to come up on stage and kiss Khali. Of the few women who came up, almost all of them were ridiculously obese.

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  43. @Dave Pinsen
    This is insightful, Steve.

    But rather than a Michael Lewis article, how about Daniel Waters rebooting his Heathers screenplay and setting it among aspiring SJWs at Berkeley?

    Good God, that is brilliant. How can I get a share of that? You should shop it around, or if not local to Hollywood perhaps ask Steve for assistance.

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  44. Daniel H says:

    It has been said by some sage: Never interfere with your enemy when he is destroying himself.

    From our modern day Elaine Robinson’s Vagina Monologues audition announcement:

    {note: Cal’s Vagina Monologues is not the same as Eve Ensler’s cis-heterosexist white nonsense, we are intersectional and welcome original monologues}

    We should encourage more of this patient and careful aiming in the circular firing squad.

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    Several references to filling in slots at the Vagina Monologues.
    Frat boy sabotage?
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  45. Here’s my analysis.

    Both Asians and Indians place a huge emphasis on money-making and status-striving. This is likely a product of thousands of years of extreme malthusian selection. Both races are masters of the malthusian death match.

    Their embrace of SJWism is motivated mostly by economic factors. They see there’s a lot of money and power being awarded to the SWJ leadership class – and they want in. Simple as that.

    However, by personality, Asians tend to be socially introverted, verbally not that articulate, usually agreeable, and non-opinionated. They’re not the type to protest, annoy the public, or insult people. So they don’t make good SJWs.

    Indians seem very verbally fluent and adept at mastering vocabulary. They also are much more outgoing than Asians and enjoy opining a lot more. So they’re more suited for SJWism. Another advantage (as I mentioned above) is that Indian women have difficult, ballbusting personalities. Asians are too agreeable.

    They’re a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D’Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

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    Lots of Indians seem very talented at gaudy self-promotion too.

    For example, here's this Indian kid who goes by the name of "Shawn Valentino." He claims to be a pickup artist. He's been very successful at promoting himself on tv and even selling a pickup advice book. I've seen him on tv (dating shows, Tyra Banks, Dr. Phil, etc) quite a few times.

    Do you know what's especially impressive? Despite having no discernible ability to charm women, he still manages to get himself airtime. It takes a certain shrewdness to do that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z3pRRvPe2o

    Watch from 3:40 to 7:00. In particular, watch the black girl's reaction at about 4:17.

    I can't imagine an Asian person doing that.
    , @Ed
    Have to be very careful lumping Asians together. At business school the Indians threw very lively parties that featured a lot of drinking. They talked openly & derisively of the white female students who they viewed as sluts. The Chinese weren't wallflowers especially if they were confident in their English abilities . The reserved Asians were the Japanese.
    , @Alec Leamas

    They’re a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D’Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).
     
    Are there though? These might be notable for their rarity. Note that Haley and Jindal were reared in the deep South (South Carolina and Louisiana, respectively) and Ponnuru in Kansas. Haley and Jindal changed their names to be more American sounding and both converted to Christianity. Ponnnuru was raised a Christian and became a Catholic later in life. D'Souza is a separate case, being an immigrant himself from a Catholic Goan family - he's atypical both for an Indian and for an immigrant the U.S. from India.

    I suppose the question is whether Indian immigrants are most apt to adapt to the culture and politics of where they land in the U.S. owing to their status-consciousness and need to climb socially and economically. In other words, would their politics in the U.S. be less Democratic if they immigrated in larger numbers to the South and Plains rather than the Northeast and far West?

    Another interesting wrinkle is that in my experience where there is a mix of Indian and Pakistani immigrants in the U.S., the two groups tend to polarize politically. In my area, Pakistanis are patrons of the Democrats (probably because they apologize for Islam more than Republicans) and so the Indians coalesce around the Republicans. But the relationship seems to be a carryover from their home nations - they seem to understand the relationship as transactional rather than ideological. They donate money and later extract favors. I have no idea whether the Indians actually vote for Republicans above the Mayor/Township Supervisor level and therefore buck the national trends and averages.
    , @Seth Largo
    Indeed. East and South Asian immigrants to Western lands tend to be highly competent and will thus be found excelling in various contexts, from SJW rabble rousing to delivering detailed Orthodox homilies at my in-laws' Catholic church.
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  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    Matt Forney (a contributor to the site run by Turkish-American pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh) had an interesting article about Indian/Paki women.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls



    If you live in the west, dating an Indian girl is one of the worst decisions you can make. Indians combine the worst of their native culture and the worst of American culture in one disgusting, rancid stew. Here’s why you should never date—or even pump and dump—an Indian girl.

     


    1. They’re unattractive
    Forget about Aishwaryi Rai and every other smoking hot Bollywood actress you’ve ever seen: the average Indian girl has a Coke can physique and bad genes. While not as disgustingly obese as the average American, even fit Desi girls are packing more poundage than any girl should be legally allowed to have. Even if she’s in shape, expect her to balloon up like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man the minute she gets a ring on it. Have you ever seen a skinny Indian woman over the age of 35? Thought not.
    Not only that, even decent-looking Indian girls have unappealing bodies. Desis may have big butts, but their asses and breasts are always squishy and soft, like a bowl of Jell-O. Additionally, every single Indian girl I’ve ever known had too much body hair. Combine that with their obesity-prone genetics and you might as well be sleeping with a fat guy.
     

    2. They’re prudes
    When I say Indian girls are prudish, I don’t mean they’re hard to get in the sack: God no. I mean they have all sorts of bizarre sexual hangups that make banging them about as fun as thrusting your dick into a vacuum cleaner. Indian girls have sexually conservative attitudes thanks to their parents, and navigating their sea of rationalizations is a prerequisite for getting your rocks off.
    The first Indian girl I ever banged, in college, was an “everything-but” virgin, in that she did everything but normal, vaginal intercourse: blowjobs, anal, the whole nine yards. She actually believed that this excused all the slutting around she did. Another Desi I met not long after refused to go down on me, saying it was “gross”… even as she bragged about how much she loved it when guys went down on her. These selfish attitudes are reinforced by the spoiled, daddy’s little girl mentalities that Indian girls have.

     


    3. They’re self-loathing
    Membdiscussions by whining about how they can’t get white girls because of their brown skin. Indian girls possess the same exact inferiority complex. Every Indian girl I’ve ever known secretly loathed her ethnic heritage, wanted to be white, and fetishized white men to a degree that was downright creepy.
    What separates Indian girls from other Asian girls, who wear their lust for white men on their sleeves, is their obsession with their native culture. Indian girls raised in the U.S. will never shut up about the glories of India, a nation where poor people shit on the streets and the government has to force people to use toilets. Meanwhile, these same loud-and-proud Indian girls date white men and complain about Indian men being “misogynistic” and “controllingers of the Roosh V Forum are well aware of Indian Race Trolls, self-loathing Indian men who hijack .”
     

    4. They’re feminists
    For some reason, Indian girls in the U.S. are unusually susceptible to feminist and social justice warrior brain rot. Despite their wealthy, cushy upbringings, Indian girls almost always become ardent feminists, swallowing the cultural Marxist program whole. SJWs like Beejoli Shah, who invent stories about being raped, are representative of the average Indian girl and the noxious ideological soup she bathes in.
    Indian girls justify their misandry by claiming that Indian culture is “sexist” and “patriarchal,” but this couldn’t be further from the truth. Indian families are matriarchal, with mothers dominating their husbands and children. In particular, Indian mothers control their sons with guilt trips and shame, which is why so many of them become sackless weaklings and Indian Race Trolls. Indian girls growing up in America are some of the most privileged people on Earth.

     



    5. They’re mentally ill
    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but Indian girls are almost always off their rockers. When you combine SJW ideology, racial self-loathing, and bizarre attitudes towards sex, you end up with a psycho. Dating an Indian girl will be a constant roller coaster of fights, drama and frustration, with your only reward being getting to nail a hirsute chick with a pudding pop ass.
    The absolute worst types of Indian girls are the ones adopted by white couples, fairly common in upper-middle class America. The most insane girl I ever banged was an Indian with white parents: she was a borderline who tried to provoke me into hitting her because she felt I was “neglecting” her. While she didn’t mindfuck me in the way that BPD girls usually do to their men, the abusive relationship screwed me up for months after it ended.
    The only justifiable reason to pursue a Desi girl is because you want to get your Indian flag. But hanging around them longer than it takes to bust on their faces will end in tragedy for you. When it comes to girls, any ethnicity or race is a better bet than Indians.
     

    All that being said (and that’s a heck of a lot), I have seldom encountered a more strident subpop of SJWs than subcontinent Indian males. No sooner does their overloaded 747 from Delhi set down at ORD or JFK than they start in with the “kill all the white Christian males” thing that we already get 24/7. Good thing there’s only a billion more on the way, right? We need someone like Donald Trump for president, I’m telling you.

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    Actually, from what I've seen, they tend to be a very self-hating ethnicity. They have a huge inferiority complex about their race. I think they embrace SJW culture out of careerism, not because they really believe it.

    As I mentioned above, Indian women love white men and disdain their own men.
    , @Patrick Harris
    We can always count on the Manosphere to express (somewhat) valid sociological insights in the most degenerate possible idiom.
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  47. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's my analysis.

    Both Asians and Indians place a huge emphasis on money-making and status-striving. This is likely a product of thousands of years of extreme malthusian selection. Both races are masters of the malthusian death match.

    Their embrace of SJWism is motivated mostly by economic factors. They see there's a lot of money and power being awarded to the SWJ leadership class - and they want in. Simple as that.

    However, by personality, Asians tend to be socially introverted, verbally not that articulate, usually agreeable, and non-opinionated. They're not the type to protest, annoy the public, or insult people. So they don't make good SJWs.

    Indians seem very verbally fluent and adept at mastering vocabulary. They also are much more outgoing than Asians and enjoy opining a lot more. So they're more suited for SJWism. Another advantage (as I mentioned above) is that Indian women have difficult, ballbusting personalities. Asians are too agreeable.

    They're a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D'Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

    Lots of Indians seem very talented at gaudy self-promotion too.

    For example, here’s this Indian kid who goes by the name of “Shawn Valentino.” He claims to be a pickup artist. He’s been very successful at promoting himself on tv and even selling a pickup advice book. I’ve seen him on tv (dating shows, Tyra Banks, Dr. Phil, etc) quite a few times.

    Do you know what’s especially impressive? Despite having no discernible ability to charm women, he still manages to get himself airtime. It takes a certain shrewdness to do that.

    Watch from 3:40 to 7:00. In particular, watch the black girl’s reaction at about 4:17.

    I can’t imagine an Asian person doing that.

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  48. @O'Really
    A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics. She is also a marathon runner and has an incredible singing voice, based on readily YouTube videos.

    And yet she was only able to get 40 people to turn out for her anti-rape protest at Berkeley:
    http://www.dailycal.org/2016/09/08/students-protest-former-berkeley-law-dean-returns-campus/

    I think she missed her calling. What a waste of potential, thanks to Steve's tax dollars.

    She’s hot in one photo but in the others she’s putting out a vague Jackie Coakley vibe which is a tad unnerving. Maybe she’s Jackie with a bit more talent and savvy. Though Jackie did fool a few hundred million people.

    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..

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    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..
     
    Photo editing.

    These days photo editing techniques have become extremely sophisticated. You can change your skin color, use filtering to give yourself sharper features, photo shop in muscles, fade out blemishes, etc. It's very common for people to use these techniques in their pictures. If you spend a lot of time on Facebook and Instagram, you'd think America was full of supermodels with toned physiques, ripped abs, and absurdly aesthetic faces.

    Especially when a person's appearance changes significantly from picture to picture, you can be 100% sure they're using sophisticated photo editing. That girl (I can guarantee you) photo edited that first picture massively. I'd be shocked if she looked anything like that in real life.

    I actually think that one reason people love social media so much is that it allows them to produce an idealized image of themselves. They can take pictures all day, modify those pictures in various editing programs, and then post their pics for the world to see. Then they get "likes" and "comments." It's a pretty nice form of validation.

    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.
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  50. In conclusion, Indians/Pakis are verbally strong, a bit obnoxious, and highly adept at self-promotion and grifting. That makes them a good fit for careers as SJWs and politicians.

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  51. Bleuteaux says:
    @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    I work in Corporate America. “Diversity” is a scam designed to shelter upper class white men from financial and sexual competition. An upper class / upper management white dude introduces “diversity” to his organization in order to demonstrate his commitment to SJW-ism. The non-white male patrons reward said dude by never, ever criticizing a single thing he does, and by ratting out the individual contributors or first-level managers who say anything. Non-white male patrons will never seriously challenge an upper class white guy, who gives them prizes and gifts, for power in an organization.

    Meanwhile, the introduction of protected persons introduces enormous tension in the organization at the individual contributor position. Moderately unacttractive or unattractive beta white males are required to pick up the pace left by non-whites employees, and to do so with a smile. The situation works to the advantage of upper management, by keeping employees distracted and conflicted with one another rather than competing for management positions. Also, the whites required to pick up the pace increasingly have SJW women and sub-cons for management, who will never care about workloads.

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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    I worked in a job that dealt with federal government hiring and federal contractors and non-profits close to The Swamp. You can not imagine the glut of young upper-middle/upper-class, self-assured liberal females with straight-A poli-sci and area studies degrees from Georgetown U. School of Foreign Service, GWU, Tufts Fletcher School, Johns Hopkins School of Adv. In’tl Studies, et al., with extensive foreign travel, study abroad, internships, etc., who all are expecting to get into the federal government or some contractor working in geopolitical busybody work to save the world. My work has also covered IC work and so I can tell you first hand that this type has throughly infected State Dept. and CIA and is the reason Trump really has to shut down CIA and move those intelligence operations to DoD.

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    working in geopolitical busybody work to save the world. My work has also covered IC work and so I can tell you first hand that this type has thoroughly infected State Dept. and CIA and is the reason Trump really has to shut down CIA and move those intelligence operations to DoD.
     
    State Department is a feminist swamp. You are saying parts of the CIA are just as bad? How liberal is the CIA? Or certain sections of it?
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  53. Consider also that the subcontinentals we get are selected from the Brahmin type castes–priest-king-scholar-scribes. I suspect that selects for/emphasizes verbal fluency. Indians as the new Jews–if there’s an intellectual movement, it’s going to need articulate spokesmen, and you’ll find Nikki Haleys and Kamala HArrises well out of proportion to their demographic numbers.

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    @Discordiax,
    In many ways, the children of Indian and East-Asian immigrants are the new Jews. They seem to work harder in school than younger American Jews, who have gotten accustomed to be privileged. It would make sense that Indian and East-Asian millennials would also want to profit from the SJW racket, which American Jews have been doing since the 1960s.
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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    This SJW stuff...

    What is alarming is that so much of MSM(what should be real news) now peddle fake news whereas what used to be intentionally fake news on The Onion is now real news. Even Onion couldn't have cooked up stuff this kooky. Some brown loonie goes on attempted murder spree -- neo-Aztec sacrificial ritual? -- , demands to be addressed as 'they', and there is an earnest discussion of his or they's 'gender' rights. No one reads Onion anymore cuz they can get their dose of nuttery from MSM.

    Give SJW culture credit for one thing. We will never be bored. UVA nazi rape gang, Michael Brown the gentle giant, endless 'hate hoaxes', pussy hats, Putin is hitler, micro-aggressions, triggers, Muslim-feminist alliance, pussy riot are heroes, etc.

    When PC began to attack normality as sick and pushed the 'new normal'(which is a euphemism for abnormal), this was bound to happen. Consider terms like 'heteronormative' as a negative word. I mean what can be more normal and natural than men and women falling in love and having kids? But 'heteronormative' became a slur. And 'homophobia' said you are sick in the head is you find homo stuff 'gross'. Not just wrong, not just vile, but sick in the head.

    And the elites with institutional and legal power remade the law so that anyone who didn't comply with the 'new normal' --- abnormal supremacism --- was destroyed.

    Conservatives ignored as just an itch or rash that could be ignored or tolerated, but it turned out to be cancerous and destroyed the souls of the millennial generation.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    Only with proper diagnosis can the disease be seen for what it is and handled correctly.

    Homomania was key in this rot because it overturned some of the most crucial and fundamental facts of biology and meaning of morality. By letting that one lunacy get a foothold as the 'new normal', all the other junk was bound to follow.

    Just like financial derivatives. Let some toxic stuff in, and standards become lowered and all the other toxic stuff also demands in. Result is financial meltdown of 2008.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis

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  55. spandrell says: • Website

    This is hilarious. Steve please never stop noticing things.

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    Is he really tall or is she really short?

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  57. bomag says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity

    Indeed, but we are dealing with a guy walking around a US college campus. My first impression was that he was some kind of White guy.

    I’m sure if I was walking around Mumbai Bombay I would draw the opposite conclusion, and figure a swarthy European was a local.

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  58. Njguy73 says:
    @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    “For long periods the High seem to be securely in power…They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. ” – Emmanuel Goldstein

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    So we have seen a preemptive strike on part of the High by coopting the Low to bleed the Middle?
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  59. snorlax says:

    OT: Sens. Susan Collins (RINO-ME) and Bill Cassidy (R-LA) are giving the national GOP a face-saving out on Obamacare repeal: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=Some+Republicans+Wary+of+Repealing+ACA+Without+Replacement+Plan

    Hopefully the Stupid Party is smart enough to take it.

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  60. Clyde says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    When I went through Yuba City one time, I noticed a lot of turban-wearing Indian Sikhs. Really huge and heavy by the standards of Indian people. Lots of guys in the 200-250 lb range and also pretty tall sometimes too, often over 6ft. Some of them sort of look Middle Eastern too and are often a bit lighter than the average Indian.

    Here's a representative picture of what they seem to look like.

    https://twitter.com/Sikh24/status/789269271838855168

    https://twitter.com/Siliconeer/status/790006439435571200

    Compared to other Indians, they look rougher, fatter, and burlier.

    Apparently, there were lots of them in the British Indian army.

    Yuba City Sikhs Raise $135,000 For Sikh Awareness And Media Campaign In America – What are Sihks doing in this rural California area.

    They must be farmers! Orchards. Seriously! Financed by low interest Federal minority business loans?!?! Ya think?
    ______________
    July 22nd, 2014: The farmland around Yuba City in Northern California produces almost the entire crop of the country’s canned peaches, and two-thirds of its walnuts, almonds, pistachios and plums.
    It’s also home to a large and deeply-rooted Punjabi American community. But farmers there, like those across the state, are facing severe challenges due to the ongoing drought. [See full story below - Ed]

    Jul 06, 2014 : YUBA CITY, Calif. — Didar Singh Bains, the legendary “peach king of California,” remains optimistic even as a severe California drought threatens to wipe out the $58 million agricultural business that his family has built up over seven generations. (what a lie, they are including farms in India too!)

    The National Weather Service June 19 declared all of California to be under severe drought conditions. The California Department of Water Resources — citing one of the hottest winters in history and greatly-reduced snow-pack levels and reservoirs — announced May 6 that it would only deliver five percent of the water it would distribute in a normal year.

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  61. Bleach says:

    The Model Minorities are at it again.

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  62. She’s a slender part(?)-East Asian with dyed blonde-grey hair and Joan Crawford-sized socially constructed eyebrows.

    Epic. I’m appropriating “socially constructed eyebrows” for future use. The check is in the mail.

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    Epic. I’m appropriating “socially constructed eyebrows” for future use.

     

    Couldn't agree more. Steve is getting funnier as he gets older.
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  63. I particularly like how she posts numerous pictures of herself snuggling with her tall, square-jawed fraternity bro boyfriend, just like an Ole Miss sorority sister …

    Coming from a family full of Ole Miss sorority sisters, that one made me laugh. They spend a lot of time mastering that perfect BF hug angle.

    A friend sent me a video of one of these SJW models speaking at an enviro group conference. She was perfect: cascading blond hair, tan, riot-girl outfit that didn’t have a speck of dirt, one shoulder tattoo. She went into one of those intersectionality/kitchen sink/Subterranean Homesick Blues/state of the world poems this class writes, intoning in precise boarding school diction. She made a nod to her “Viking heritage”- now that’s interesting. She gets to jet set around and speak and conferences as her gig, kind of like the half-Nordic teen indigenous activist who looks like he’s all set to be a brother in the struggle for the United Colors of Benneton.

    If your tastes run cruncher, check out this SJW music duo -lots of posing here.

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  64. Njguy73 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    This is insightful, Steve.

    But rather than a Michael Lewis article, how about Daniel Waters rebooting his Heathers screenplay and setting it among aspiring SJWs at Berkeley?

    Put the 1994 comedy “PCU” on your Netflix queue. You’ll thank me later.

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    I went with a friend to see PCU in the theater when it first came out. My friend was something of an SJW before it was A Thing. She was also two years older and had a car, so when she was angry and decided to storm out, I had no choice but to go along. I still need to see the rest of that movie...

    (Note: I'm a cis-heterosexual female, or whatever the cool kids call it these days, since it might sound like I'm describing a date.)
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  65. Somewhat amusingly, when in India I was told I “don’t look European”, and probably look Arab or Mexican, though I could also be from the subcontinent. If I was dating an obviously Indian-looking girl, people looking at a picture of us would probably think I’m Indian, too, and it would be a reasonable assumption statistically speaking.

    It’s pretty interesting what factors we take into account when trying to guess somebody’s ethnicity.

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  66. jill says:

    “How We Live Now”?

    Why are you referring to me? I am WE.

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    jill, Good, you can be WE and I'll be YOU, if that's ok with THEM.
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  67. Back in The Sixties, it was an open secret that the reason why most guys got into what used to be known as “The Movement” was because, face it, it was a great way to meet babes and get laid.

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    Kinda like how in the '90s, "I believe Anita" was thought to be a good way to get points with chicks.

    Fat lot of good it did me.

    Not that I'm bitter.
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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    If you have little information, you still need some model in your head. Tall (and, generally big) East Asians do exist, I've seen many, so I, for example, never assume tall East Asians to have any white ancestry.

    It’s more something that one can see facially, where I might guess. Half Asians are usually identifiable as such. But in places like Hong Kong, there has been mixing over 6 generations or so. Phenotypically you see more European features than in Shenzhen across the border, when riding public transport. Still overwhelmingly Chinese but you do see some features that are likely echoes of ancestors.

    I never thought to include height with the analysis.

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  69. @IHTG
    Is Anita Sarkeesian a Tiger Daughter?

    I’d never heard of this creature so I investigated. The excerpts from Webpages in the list of results indicated she was “Canadian-American” and her photograph indicated she was Asian so I smelt a rat. Sure enough, she’s an Iraqi (ethnically Armenian).

    Please let’s all stop entertaining these lunatics’ pretended nationalities and ethnicities just as we don’t entertain their pretended sexes.

    The “Texan boy” with the clock was not. The “Floridian man” who murdered the homosexuals in Orlando was not.

    And so on. Calling these people Texan, Floridian, French, etc. should be met with just as much outcry in the media as that crazy white lady (Dolezel?) who pretended to be black was met with. But it never is.

    So we pretend Salma Hayek, a relatively fair, attractive, and buxom Lebanese lady is representative of swarthy, ugly, pudgy mestizos in Mexico.

    We pretend murderous Somalis, Arabs, etc. are British, American, and French.

    On and on it goes. You don’t get to dictate your own identity. Sure, you can take up surfing or learn to play a piano, study chemistry rather than philosophy. But those are behaviours. If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I’ll still be a 5’10″ American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body. Period. If I described myself as the Dutchman I’d be pitied, ridiculed, reviled, or some combination thereof. At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.

    We must stop humouring the pretenders and play-actors. You wanna be something you aren’t? Fine, call over some friends to play Dungeons & Dragons. You can be an elven knight. When the game is over, though, you have to go back to being you; no one at the office is going to treat you like an elf come Monday morning.

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    Elves can't be Paladins!!!!!

    I agree with the rest of your post, however.
    , @Stan Adams

    If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I’ll still be a 5’10″ American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body.... At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.
     
    Your spelling (humour) indicates that you are not American. But your punctuation (double quotation marks) suggests that you are.
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  70. Travis says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    A few observations.

    1. I've noticed that among SJW/feminist women, there are disprortionately high percentage of Indian/Paki women. They're something like 1.5% of the national population and mostly new immigrants, but they are very noticeable in activism. It's interesting. For example, Hillary seemed pretty close to a few South Asian women (Huma Abedin, Neera Tanden), but she didn't seem to hang out much with Asians.

    2. Asians actually seem underrepresented among SJWs. I see some, but their representation is far smaller than their proportion of the population. Asians outnumber Indian/Pakis by a 2.5 to 1 ratio nationally, but are strongly outnumbered in the SJW world. Asian men are actually even more underrepresented as SJWs than Asian women. For whatever reason, Asians (especially Asian males) aren't drawn to activism much.

    3. Asian and Indian/Paki women have different personality types. Asian women (on the surface) are usually demure and try to be socially pleasing. Indian/Paki women are huge ball busters with attitude. Worse than white feminists and maybe even worse than Jewish women. That may influence their politics.

    4. Both Asian and Indian/Paki women are really into white men. I'm not surprised that this girl's boyfriend is white. Both races seem to regard their men as being undesirable and can be fairly accesible if you're a white guy. Indian/Paki women seem to have an especially strong revulsion towards their men. Interestingly, Indian/Paki women seem to often marry their own men in the end. They're accesible for dating, but have a strong perference for in-group marriages. They may rail against the white patriarchy, but they like dating it too.

    while 1.5% of the population may be South Asian, they are closer to 3% of the youth population and 5% of the college students in America are South Asian. Most South Asians live in 3 states, California, New York and New Jersey. These states are more likely to produce SJWs.

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    Actually, they tend to be underrepresented among the college-age youth population. Roughly 1.2%. The reason is because the huge surge in H1bs is diluting the youth share and also the elderly share, while inflating the middle-aged share.

    Asians are more concentrated in blue states than Indians. They don't display the same embrace of SJW culture.
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  71. Jason Liu says:

    I was in college just a few years ago and I’d say South Asian SJWs outnumbered East Asian SJWs like 3 to 1, and the South Asian ones were a little more extreme, especially the girls.

    I’m guessing that the white, SWPL style virtue signalling and rebelliousness against society fits better with the South Asian mindset/phenotype, but it’s just a theory.

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    and the South Asian ones were a little more extreme, especially the girls.

    My experience is that they have far more aggressive personalities than East Asians.
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  72. Jimi says:
    @Clyde
    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    That’s why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.

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    That’s why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.
     
    Bushwick being the up and coming hipster neighborhood (NYC) now that prices have gotten too high in parts of Brooklyn previously "settled" by white hipsters. With Blacks and Hispanics exiting and hipsters entering.
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  73. Hosswire says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    Hey, pal. Around here, we notice patterns & generalities.

    If you want to call people names for using heuristics, go to SJW land.

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    Hey, pal. Around here, we notice patterns & generalities.
     
    Who is this "we" for whom you presume to speak? I was here before you, going by the post dates.

    Moreover, human biodiversity does not stop with continental groupings (i.e. "races"). Some groups and regions - gasp! - have more genetic structure than others.

    If you want to call people names for using heuristics, go to SJW land.
     
    Not everything you don't like or understand is SJWism.

    I like being a real warrior, thank you very much.
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  74. @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    You’re really reaching with this. With India, with its history of English colonial rule, White guys being the apex alphas well above the sadistic local caste system or whatever bullshit, it’s a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry. Quit SJWing up the blog. You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey

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    The boyfriend's last names is "Barnes."

    Does that sound Indian?

    He's likely a white guy, but with some non-white ancestry (perhaps Mexican).
    , @Twinkie

    You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey
     
    Who is Steve Harvey?

    As for "whining," have some respect for your elders. While you were a teenager masturbating in mom's basement in the early 2000's, I was in the northwest of the Subcontinent.

    it’s a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry
     
    I have no clue what the man's ancestry is. But if he is a Subcontinental, assuming automatically partial white ancestry because of his height is stupid and ignorant. I saw many tall (over 6') Punjabis while I was in Pakistan. The Subcontinent is a big place with a lot of genetic diversity, and one sees all types.
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  75. Jimi says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son's Sikh friend from high school was about 6'6" by graduation even without the turban.

    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.

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    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.
     
    Yes, that's quite true. In Japan, you could see a marked difference in height between the generation born during and immediately after WWII, and subsequent generations. I'm sure there are plenty of Indians who could top 6 feet.
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  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    Lots of Indians seem very talented at gaudy self-promotion too.

    For example, here's this Indian kid who goes by the name of "Shawn Valentino." He claims to be a pickup artist. He's been very successful at promoting himself on tv and even selling a pickup advice book. I've seen him on tv (dating shows, Tyra Banks, Dr. Phil, etc) quite a few times.

    Do you know what's especially impressive? Despite having no discernible ability to charm women, he still manages to get himself airtime. It takes a certain shrewdness to do that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z3pRRvPe2o

    Watch from 3:40 to 7:00. In particular, watch the black girl's reaction at about 4:17.

    I can't imagine an Asian person doing that.

    Deep set mythological thinking and hero-worship in Indian and Pakistani culture must correlate with a level of self-deception that lends itself to great salesmanship abilities.

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  77. @Jason Liu
    I was in college just a few years ago and I'd say South Asian SJWs outnumbered East Asian SJWs like 3 to 1, and the South Asian ones were a little more extreme, especially the girls.

    I'm guessing that the white, SWPL style virtue signalling and rebelliousness against society fits better with the South Asian mindset/phenotype, but it's just a theory.

    and the South Asian ones were a little more extreme, especially the girls.

    My experience is that they have far more aggressive personalities than East Asians.

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    "My experience is that they have far more aggressive personalities than East Asians."

    Absolutely. Up to the point it can be scary.
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  78. Mr. Anon says:
    @O'Really
    A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics. She is also a marathon runner and has an incredible singing voice, based on readily YouTube videos.

    And yet she was only able to get 40 people to turn out for her anti-rape protest at Berkeley:
    http://www.dailycal.org/2016/09/08/students-protest-former-berkeley-law-dean-returns-campus/

    I think she missed her calling. What a waste of potential, thanks to Steve's tax dollars.

    “A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics.”

    Really? How so? I’m frankly skeptical of that claim.

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    Never underestimate their powers of either self-delusion or self-promotion, Mr. Anon.
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  79. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jimi
    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.

    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.

    Yes, that’s quite true. In Japan, you could see a marked difference in height between the generation born during and immediately after WWII, and subsequent generations. I’m sure there are plenty of Indians who could top 6 feet.

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    According to a large study from the Netherlands, 2nd-generation Indians had a mean height of 68.7 inches. This is about 1.7 inches below the White-American mean, but about 1 inch above the Asian-American mean.
    , @Bosch
    Inter generational height differences can be pretty stark. A Viet friend of mine in college was 5'2 if she was an inch but she could have picked up her much shorter mother and thrown the woman over her shoulder like a child.
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  80. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bill B.
    OT

    Is is just me or are the cockroach-aliens working the shell of the 'human' known as George Soros having increasing problems maintaining outward appearances? Proof that MIB wasn't fiction?

    (In the case of 'Michael Moore' of course they appear to have given up trying.)


    http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/

    (In the case of ‘Michael Moore’ of course they appear to have given up trying.)

    Michael Moore has finally revealed his true identity: a fat ugly old lesbian.

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  81. Svigor says:

    Tiger daughters had better watch their backs:

    A Northwestern University freshman who recently came out as transgender tried to join a sorority this month, yearning for deeper friendships on campus.

    The case is unusual because the student is a transgender man, born with a female body but identifying as male, and already beginning to make that transition. Eighteen-year-old Adam Davies said he was drawn to the tenets of Greek life — philanthropy, bonding and leadership — but that with his changing body he might not feel comfortable living in a fraternity.

    So he sought out the sisterhood of a sorority instead.

    It’d be great if a bunch of testosterone-laden go-getters in dresses took over SJWism from the cute coeds.

    He thinks even sororities accepting of transgender recruits identifying as women would balk at including anyone who identifies as a man.

    See? They’re practically asking for it.

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    The mirror image is happening at the Seven Sisters colleges where some lesbians have started juicing on testosterone and demanding to be called men, but not letting themselves to be kicked out for not being women. They're starting to take over leadership positions:

    http://takimag.com/article/oppression_juicing_steve_sailer/print#axzz4Wcf9LAdl

    , @Ivy
    My wife lamented the inclusiveness plank that her sorority added recently, as trannies and such really don't belong with daughters or granddaughters. Donations are likely to plummet for such houses.
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  83. @Mr. Anon

    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.
     
    Yes, that's quite true. In Japan, you could see a marked difference in height between the generation born during and immediately after WWII, and subsequent generations. I'm sure there are plenty of Indians who could top 6 feet.

    According to a large study from the Netherlands, 2nd-generation Indians had a mean height of 68.7 inches. This is about 1.7 inches below the White-American mean, but about 1 inch above the Asian-American mean.

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  84. @Anon
    This SJW stuff...

    What is alarming is that so much of MSM(what should be real news) now peddle fake news whereas what used to be intentionally fake news on The Onion is now real news. Even Onion couldn't have cooked up stuff this kooky. Some brown loonie goes on attempted murder spree -- neo-Aztec sacrificial ritual? -- , demands to be addressed as 'they', and there is an earnest discussion of his or they's 'gender' rights. No one reads Onion anymore cuz they can get their dose of nuttery from MSM.

    Give SJW culture credit for one thing. We will never be bored. UVA nazi rape gang, Michael Brown the gentle giant, endless 'hate hoaxes', pussy hats, Putin is hitler, micro-aggressions, triggers, Muslim-feminist alliance, pussy riot are heroes, etc.

    When PC began to attack normality as sick and pushed the 'new normal'(which is a euphemism for abnormal), this was bound to happen. Consider terms like 'heteronormative' as a negative word. I mean what can be more normal and natural than men and women falling in love and having kids? But 'heteronormative' became a slur. And 'homophobia' said you are sick in the head is you find homo stuff 'gross'. Not just wrong, not just vile, but sick in the head.

    And the elites with institutional and legal power remade the law so that anyone who didn't comply with the 'new normal' --- abnormal supremacism --- was destroyed.

    Conservatives ignored as just an itch or rash that could be ignored or tolerated, but it turned out to be cancerous and destroyed the souls of the millennial generation.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    Only with proper diagnosis can the disease be seen for what it is and handled correctly.

    Homomania was key in this rot because it overturned some of the most crucial and fundamental facts of biology and meaning of morality. By letting that one lunacy get a foothold as the 'new normal', all the other junk was bound to follow.

    Just like financial derivatives. Let some toxic stuff in, and standards become lowered and all the other toxic stuff also demands in. Result is financial meltdown of 2008.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    Exactly. Everything we said about the slippery slope proved true. Its an endless growing cancer of their degenerate signaling to encompass ever larger numbers of freaks and would-be freaks seeking to be special.

    This has to be stopped.

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  85. @Travis
    while 1.5% of the population may be South Asian, they are closer to 3% of the youth population and 5% of the college students in America are South Asian. Most South Asians live in 3 states, California, New York and New Jersey. These states are more likely to produce SJWs.

    Actually, they tend to be underrepresented among the college-age youth population. Roughly 1.2%. The reason is because the huge surge in H1bs is diluting the youth share and also the elderly share, while inflating the middle-aged share.

    Asians are more concentrated in blue states than Indians. They don’t display the same embrace of SJW culture.

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  86. Marcus says:

    Chicanx mediocrity strikes again?

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  87. @27 year old
    You're really reaching with this. With India, with its history of English colonial rule, White guys being the apex alphas well above the sadistic local caste system or whatever bullshit, it's a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry. Quit SJWing up the blog. You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey

    The boyfriend’s last names is “Barnes.”

    Does that sound Indian?

    He’s likely a white guy, but with some non-white ancestry (perhaps Mexican).

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    What do you know... Stereotyping and judging a book by its cover works perfectly once again.
    , @BB753
    Anglo-Indians do have English surnames.
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  88. Svigor says:

    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    I’d settle for virtue signalling that actually signaled virtues.

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  89. @Kyle McKenna
    All that being said (and that's a heck of a lot), I have seldom encountered a more strident subpop of SJWs than subcontinent Indian males. No sooner does their overloaded 747 from Delhi set down at ORD or JFK than they start in with the "kill all the white Christian males" thing that we already get 24/7. Good thing there's only a billion more on the way, right? We need someone like Donald Trump for president, I'm telling you.

    Actually, from what I’ve seen, they tend to be a very self-hating ethnicity. They have a huge inferiority complex about their race. I think they embrace SJW culture out of careerism, not because they really believe it.

    As I mentioned above, Indian women love white men and disdain their own men.

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  90. @JohnnyWalker123
    A few observations.

    1. I've noticed that among SJW/feminist women, there are disprortionately high percentage of Indian/Paki women. They're something like 1.5% of the national population and mostly new immigrants, but they are very noticeable in activism. It's interesting. For example, Hillary seemed pretty close to a few South Asian women (Huma Abedin, Neera Tanden), but she didn't seem to hang out much with Asians.

    2. Asians actually seem underrepresented among SJWs. I see some, but their representation is far smaller than their proportion of the population. Asians outnumber Indian/Pakis by a 2.5 to 1 ratio nationally, but are strongly outnumbered in the SJW world. Asian men are actually even more underrepresented as SJWs than Asian women. For whatever reason, Asians (especially Asian males) aren't drawn to activism much.

    3. Asian and Indian/Paki women have different personality types. Asian women (on the surface) are usually demure and try to be socially pleasing. Indian/Paki women are huge ball busters with attitude. Worse than white feminists and maybe even worse than Jewish women. That may influence their politics.

    4. Both Asian and Indian/Paki women are really into white men. I'm not surprised that this girl's boyfriend is white. Both races seem to regard their men as being undesirable and can be fairly accesible if you're a white guy. Indian/Paki women seem to have an especially strong revulsion towards their men. Interestingly, Indian/Paki women seem to often marry their own men in the end. They're accesible for dating, but have a strong perference for in-group marriages. They may rail against the white patriarchy, but they like dating it too.

    SJWs infuriate me. I’m obviously Asian.

    I have an innately conservative streak to begin with, but their logic is nonsensical to itself(equality, except for the people we don’t like) and their ideal world is disgusting(everyone is exactly identical, with no place for villains or heroes). A world where SJWs win, at its very best, is a world of the death of all meaning.

    As SJWs would remove my sense of identity completely, I can’t exist in their world and I can only exist in complete opposition to them.

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  91. utu says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    and the South Asian ones were a little more extreme, especially the girls.

    My experience is that they have far more aggressive personalities than East Asians.

    “My experience is that they have far more aggressive personalities than East Asians.”

    Absolutely. Up to the point it can be scary.

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  92. @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

    There are additional reasons for that too, though: much like Milo, it gives them significant cover against people who would destroy them simply by the virtue of their sex. In terms of actual privilege and taboos, the “young attractive woman” is the most protected and is the hardest to attack regardless of their position.

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  93. Hodag says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son's Sikh friend from high school was about 6'6" by graduation even without the turban.

    Sikhs are huge, especially when they get vitamin D milk and beef in the USA in childhood.

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  94. @Mr. Anon
    "A look at her LinkedIn page shows she has high-level skills in mathematics, computer programming, and robotics."

    Really? How so? I'm frankly skeptical of that claim.

    Never underestimate their powers of either self-delusion or self-promotion, Mr. Anon.

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  95. black sea says:

    I’m guessing this is the first time a casting call for the Vagina Monologues began with the salutation “Hey y’all . . . !”

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  96. Ed says:

    Picked up on this a few weeks ago, young Indian Americans are really all in on the SJWism. Someone on my Twitter feed suggested it was a result of being excluded from more masculine white pursuits such as football, lacrosse etc. & bullying.

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  97. peterike says:

    The Jews are going to ultimately regret letting in millions of Asians, of all types. Despite the Jewish male fetish for Chinese girls, they have allowed a huge competitive cohort into the country. More and more you see Chinese/Korean/Indian names popping up in prestige publications like The New Yorker, you see them in the SJW ranks, and of course they are filling up the important schools. And they have no loyalty to Jews or Jewish interests.

    My favorite here is Preet Bharara. Harvard, Columbia Law, his way paved by multi-cult fanatical Jews. Give that seat to an Indian, not some flyover white guy! And then he goes and starts investigating Jewish hedge fund managers. That’s the thanks you get!

    And my favorite of all: “During his first year in office, Bharara charged 17 managers and employees of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims for defrauding Germany 42.5 million dollars by creating thousands of false benefit applications for people who have not suffered in the Holocaust. The fraud which has been going on for 16 years was related to the 400 million dollars which Germany pays out each year to Holocaust survivors.”

    LOLZ!

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    I remember an Indian building the opposition dossier against Hillary for Trump. I've worked for a right-wing organization and found specific steps which disrupt and dismantle leftish organizations, and am pleased to see Project Veritas utilize much of the same.

    Every now and then, we People of Color decide that there are worse evils to fight than being ovened by the Right. That won't happen until later anyway.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He'd make a great AG once Sessions retires.
    , @anon
    Preet Bharara is an absolute gem. He has prosecuted criminals of every kind, race, ethnicity, religion etc., If we can get 100 Bhararas as U.S. attorneys, the country will look very different; but we have to build very large prisons. He is one guy that richly deserved a medal compared to all the useless ball throwers/hitters and lowlifes like Oprah that Obama gave medals to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preet_Bharara
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  98. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?

    Looks like this They wanted to crash the women’s party but couldn’t compete in the attractiveness department, hence the jealous rage. These tranny types embody the worst traits of women and, as some people put it, out-bitch the bitches.

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  99. Ed says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's my analysis.

    Both Asians and Indians place a huge emphasis on money-making and status-striving. This is likely a product of thousands of years of extreme malthusian selection. Both races are masters of the malthusian death match.

    Their embrace of SJWism is motivated mostly by economic factors. They see there's a lot of money and power being awarded to the SWJ leadership class - and they want in. Simple as that.

    However, by personality, Asians tend to be socially introverted, verbally not that articulate, usually agreeable, and non-opinionated. They're not the type to protest, annoy the public, or insult people. So they don't make good SJWs.

    Indians seem very verbally fluent and adept at mastering vocabulary. They also are much more outgoing than Asians and enjoy opining a lot more. So they're more suited for SJWism. Another advantage (as I mentioned above) is that Indian women have difficult, ballbusting personalities. Asians are too agreeable.

    They're a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D'Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

    Have to be very careful lumping Asians together. At business school the Indians threw very lively parties that featured a lot of drinking. They talked openly & derisively of the white female students who they viewed as sluts. The Chinese weren’t wallflowers especially if they were confident in their English abilities . The reserved Asians were the Japanese.

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    That's because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can't get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn't get laid, you'd be angry too.

    Lots of online forums get trolled by Indian/Paki men who loudly vent their sexual frustrations at the top of their lungs. It's sad, but it's also funny.

    Chinese men do alright in dating once they drop their shyness. The problem is that it's hard for them to do that. A lot of them just want to stay in mostly-Asian cliques and date Asian women. It's frightening to venture out.

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  100. marty says:
    @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    “… tall for a sub continental kinda guy. ”

    My nextdoor neighbor in SF is a full-on subcontinental Indian, sing-song accent and all. He’s 6’5″ .

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    My hunch is some Northern Indian groups might turn out after a few generations of ample nutrition to be Dutch / Balkan tall on average.
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  101. eD says:
    @jtgw
    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they're hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    “I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.”

    This is a serious philosophical question that I have been grappling with.

    On the one hand, there is the phrase “hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue”. If people can just parade their worst instincts in the open, without the pretense of having to be virtuous, there is no incentive for improvement or check on their behavior.

    But there is a lot to be said for honesty. The victims know better what is coming and have a chance to take counter-measures. There is a reason crooks use dishonesty more often.

    So on balance, I would prefer to live in the society more up-front about these things.

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  102. Conservatives ignored as just an itch or rash that could be ignored or tolerated, but it turned out to be cancerous and destroyed the souls of the millennial generation.

    I’ve always been of two minds when diagnosing this stuff.

    On the one hand, I never want to give the kind of borderline cases we see in the streets too much credit. These people are just social misfits who do this stuff to get a buzz, sort of like how many people get a similar “rush” from attending a football game or rock concert. It just so happens these people get their kicks being “outraged” by stuff and throwing things at police cars.

    But on the other hand, when I survey the signage of many of the people at this past weekend’s “women’s march,” or see how even docile conservative speakers are barred from college campuses, or consider how you could not walk down the street in Portland, OR, or Chicago, or Berkeley, CA wearing a red MAGA hat and not be physically assaulted, and then consider that 90% of our “mainstream media” is perfectly OK with this and in fact encourages it, I concur regarding the soul-destroying, cancerous, damage this toxic ideology has wrought.

    I’m going to over-generalize and be a little bit cruel, but it’s no accident this past weekend’s “counter-inauguration” was a “women’s” event. Sure, it has something to do with the fact that it was a woman who lost the election. And yes, there’s stuff like Trump’s “P grabbing” comment. But I think there’s more to it. The younger women were on board because they are more susceptible to PC brainwashing — and so much of it nowadays is of the “You go girl!” variety which at once empowers them and excuses every failure in a way a masculine football coach or drill instructor or old-fashioned physics professor would never do. The older gals are just bitter because, deep down, they want an alpha male like Trump but are left with Alan Alda back at home.

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    An absolutely fascinating read on life and mores in India, (at least as it was in the 1920s), is ‘Mother India’ by Katherine Mayo, which is available for free, online.
    Suffice to say any notion of ‘sex equality’ is completely at variance with countless millennia of life as it was lived in India. To say the very least.

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  104. eD says:
    @Bleuteaux
    I work in Corporate America. "Diversity" is a scam designed to shelter upper class white men from financial and sexual competition. An upper class / upper management white dude introduces "diversity" to his organization in order to demonstrate his commitment to SJW-ism. The non-white male patrons reward said dude by never, ever criticizing a single thing he does, and by ratting out the individual contributors or first-level managers who say anything. Non-white male patrons will never seriously challenge an upper class white guy, who gives them prizes and gifts, for power in an organization.

    Meanwhile, the introduction of protected persons introduces enormous tension in the organization at the individual contributor position. Moderately unacttractive or unattractive beta white males are required to pick up the pace left by non-whites employees, and to do so with a smile. The situation works to the advantage of upper management, by keeping employees distracted and conflicted with one another rather than competing for management positions. Also, the whites required to pick up the pace increasingly have SJW women and sub-cons for management, who will never care about workloads.

    Agreed. The anti-meritocratic aspects of “diversity” are a feature, not a bug.

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  105. @Ed
    Have to be very careful lumping Asians together. At business school the Indians threw very lively parties that featured a lot of drinking. They talked openly & derisively of the white female students who they viewed as sluts. The Chinese weren't wallflowers especially if they were confident in their English abilities . The reserved Asians were the Japanese.

    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.

    Lots of online forums get trolled by Indian/Paki men who loudly vent their sexual frustrations at the top of their lungs. It’s sad, but it’s also funny.

    Chinese men do alright in dating once they drop their shyness. The problem is that it’s hard for them to do that. A lot of them just want to stay in mostly-Asian cliques and date Asian women. It’s frightening to venture out.

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    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.
     
    My sense is that the arranged marriages are often an indentured servitude scheme for Indian/Paki men with daughters. They get the boy over here on a fiance visa and he has to work tireless hours in the convenience store of gas station for little pay. He gets married to the boss's daughter and eventually gets his own convenience store or gas station with help (i.e., an undocumented usurious loan for franchise fees and down money on the acquisition loan) from father-in-law. At some point he is naturalized and he can pave the way for dear old mom and dad via the magic of chain migration. If he has daughters he can replicate the process.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don't want to go along with the scheme because they don't buy into the clan loyalty - having been exposed to modern American atomized/individualistic notions of ideal romantic love as the business solely of the individual.

    What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway - they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.
    , @Ed
    Yeah I'm not sure about the "can't get them" part. Several of them got their fair share of their boasting is to be believed.
    , @whorefinder
    Many of the Indian guys think it's all about race, and then actually try, when picking up women, to look like a black guy---black guy clothing, keep hair short to hide it's straightness, darken up their complexion, etc. They figure they can't pass for white so they'll try black.

    But that just makes it worse, since blacks actually don't get laid by non-blacks all that much, the media just portrays that they do.

    Indian guys also fail when they try to buy women's affections via designer clothes and cars and the like.

    Again, a confident attitude and conforming to the culture work best. An Indian guy wearing western clothes (but not overtly flashy) and smiling and laid back with confidence will do fine. If East Asian guys can pick up white girls (and they do) despite having one of the worst stereotypes about them (i.e. small genitalia), then Indian guys can do the same.
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  106. Ladini says:
    @Anon
    This SJW stuff...

    What is alarming is that so much of MSM(what should be real news) now peddle fake news whereas what used to be intentionally fake news on The Onion is now real news. Even Onion couldn't have cooked up stuff this kooky. Some brown loonie goes on attempted murder spree -- neo-Aztec sacrificial ritual? -- , demands to be addressed as 'they', and there is an earnest discussion of his or they's 'gender' rights. No one reads Onion anymore cuz they can get their dose of nuttery from MSM.

    Give SJW culture credit for one thing. We will never be bored. UVA nazi rape gang, Michael Brown the gentle giant, endless 'hate hoaxes', pussy hats, Putin is hitler, micro-aggressions, triggers, Muslim-feminist alliance, pussy riot are heroes, etc.

    When PC began to attack normality as sick and pushed the 'new normal'(which is a euphemism for abnormal), this was bound to happen. Consider terms like 'heteronormative' as a negative word. I mean what can be more normal and natural than men and women falling in love and having kids? But 'heteronormative' became a slur. And 'homophobia' said you are sick in the head is you find homo stuff 'gross'. Not just wrong, not just vile, but sick in the head.

    And the elites with institutional and legal power remade the law so that anyone who didn't comply with the 'new normal' --- abnormal supremacism --- was destroyed.

    Conservatives ignored as just an itch or rash that could be ignored or tolerated, but it turned out to be cancerous and destroyed the souls of the millennial generation.

    A healthy society must first be honest with its ailments. When there is cancer, it has to be diagnosed as cancer. PC is cancer. It never stops, it never rests. It just grows and grows.

    Only with proper diagnosis can the disease be seen for what it is and handled correctly.

    Homomania was key in this rot because it overturned some of the most crucial and fundamental facts of biology and meaning of morality. By letting that one lunacy get a foothold as the 'new normal', all the other junk was bound to follow.

    Just like financial derivatives. Let some toxic stuff in, and standards become lowered and all the other toxic stuff also demands in. Result is financial meltdown of 2008.

    Identity Politics is indeed a Social ”
    Cancer.” It only multiplies through endless subdivision…until it finally kills it’s Host.

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    I don't think identity politics or identity culture is necessarily a bad thing. Indeed, I see it as a good thing because it preserves a sense of heritage and culture. I don't mind Italian-Americans remembering their own history of immigration and finding their place in America. Martin Scorsese's interview movie with his parents is delightful.

    The thing is there is REAL identity and bogus identity. Being Italian-American or Polish-American or Jewish-American is a real identity based on history and lineage.

    Also, such identities are well-rounded. Italians remember their history of being oppressed but also remember their history of conquering and oppressing others. Poles know they were champions of Europe one time(and if they had played their cards right, they could have been the central power in Europe, esp as German peoples were so divided), and they know they were later victims. So, there is well-rounded-ness. They won some, they lost some, etc.

    But current PC politics is all about victimhood and only victimhood.



    So, certain groups -- esp blacks, Jews, and homos -- get to pose ONLY as holy victims, and this fills them with smug self-righteousness. Never mind their history of violence and oppression. And it gets funny and surreal with Muslims. When Muslims are OVER THERE, they can be killed or starved to death(by sanctions) by the bushel. But OVER HERE, they are suddenly the innocent darlings victimized by evil Trump. It's cartoon morality attached to identity.

    And then, there are imagined identities.... like some Aztec brownie being infected with LGBT nuttery and calling himself 'they'... and some people actually taking this nonsense seriously.
    Now, some identities are partly real. I think lots of trannies are sort of biochemically funny. But a man in a woman's dress is hardly a meaningful core identity. I mean does Bruce Jenner really want to define himself as boob-job man who wee-weed at the Trump Tower?

    Worse, there is the media, academia, and government. If we could just let nutty people do their own thing in their own space, no big deal. Japan long had a kind of pan-sexual and transsexual culture, esp around Kabuki and such stuff. But it remained in its place. In contrast, the powers that be are 'normalizing' and 'sacralizing' this nuttery for mainstream consumption from kindergarten up.

    It's so puerile. Maybe the Pilgrims were too puritan, but now US is utterly puerile. We have pueritans. Just look at the Pussy Galore in DC. All these women going 'pussy pussy pussy pussy', but then saying 'don't hunt my cunt', "don't snatch my snatch."

    New feminism has come down to: "Looksies but no feelsies". Whoritans.

    https://youtu.be/MJSO4NXAnS8?t=1m10s
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  107. @Jim Christian
    Slate, New Republic and Atlantic? One of the worst pajama-boy SJW writers is quite "mainstream" at the Washington Post, Dana Milbank. He's in his thirties and freely admits he lives, that's right, in Mom's basement. His screed are infantile, complaining and perhaps reflect his own situation. Still, there he is for years now, sniffing up the a-hole of everyone and every situation that pisses him off, except with the compassion of a nod to SJW rhetoric toward this group or that, his virtue-signaling the real goal.

    The thing with SJW is the virtue-signaling, that is, "I'm good and compassionate and SJW". These folks, and Dana Milbank is one of them, are so bent they could be kidnapped by 6 Blacks, tied up, slapped around, robbed, sexually assaulted where the sun don't shine and left nekkid on the steps of the Washington Post, all fully documented on Skype, Facebook and Twitter. Given a robe, Dana Milbank would crawl to his desk and type out a screed about how it was all his fault, or Trump's fault, anyone's fault but the perpetrators because telling the TRUTH of the matter would instantly wipe out his SJW street cred.

    And so with that, where are we to find the truth? And what the hell are we thinking loaning money for this kind of "education"? What happened to the notion of "college material", as the average Liberal Arts pursuit and student are NOT. "You just aren't college material" a common refrain forty years back. And so the men go get a trade or bail to the military and the women go find a job and a husband, likely said tradesman that also not college material, but still perfectly worthy.

    When we force colleges to co-sign college loans, the worthless SJW degrees will instantly vanish because no one in those courses and programs could get a job to pay back their loans and the colleges sure wouldn't want to pay the loan. College for those who are college material, real college for real intellects. When we got to the point that everyone was deemed college material (and underwriting the concept), that was our doom, a foolish, idiotic concept. It was a scam. Do the math, check the dates, there's no arguing the point. Wanna MAGA? Go back to the concept of College Material, but enforce it by forcing colleges and universities to cosign loans. Nonsensical "Studies" programs AND the SJW culture will instantly disappear. T'would be for the best for everyone and everything, except for their endowments..

    Ask Milbank about Israel, and watch the concern for social justice disappear.

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  108. Bosch says:
    @Mr. Anon

    A healthy Western diet plays a large role in height.

    In India, families that have just entered the middle class its common to see children that are bigger, more muscular, and 6 inches taller than their parents. I see same phenomenon among immigrants to the USA.

    the 1980s many people observed the same in Japan. The children were much taller than their parents.
     
    Yes, that's quite true. In Japan, you could see a marked difference in height between the generation born during and immediately after WWII, and subsequent generations. I'm sure there are plenty of Indians who could top 6 feet.

    Inter generational height differences can be pretty stark. A Viet friend of mine in college was 5’2 if she was an inch but she could have picked up her much shorter mother and thrown the woman over her shoulder like a child.

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  109. Hello Steve

    Can we please distinguish this fine young SJW as a Bengal Tiger Daughter?

    As opposed to a Sumatran or South China Tiger Daughter

    It helps to keep my small little bad white mind from the fog.

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  110. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's my analysis.

    Both Asians and Indians place a huge emphasis on money-making and status-striving. This is likely a product of thousands of years of extreme malthusian selection. Both races are masters of the malthusian death match.

    Their embrace of SJWism is motivated mostly by economic factors. They see there's a lot of money and power being awarded to the SWJ leadership class - and they want in. Simple as that.

    However, by personality, Asians tend to be socially introverted, verbally not that articulate, usually agreeable, and non-opinionated. They're not the type to protest, annoy the public, or insult people. So they don't make good SJWs.

    Indians seem very verbally fluent and adept at mastering vocabulary. They also are much more outgoing than Asians and enjoy opining a lot more. So they're more suited for SJWism. Another advantage (as I mentioned above) is that Indian women have difficult, ballbusting personalities. Asians are too agreeable.

    They're a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D'Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

    They’re a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D’Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

    Are there though? These might be notable for their rarity. Note that Haley and Jindal were reared in the deep South (South Carolina and Louisiana, respectively) and Ponnuru in Kansas. Haley and Jindal changed their names to be more American sounding and both converted to Christianity. Ponnnuru was raised a Christian and became a Catholic later in life. D’Souza is a separate case, being an immigrant himself from a Catholic Goan family – he’s atypical both for an Indian and for an immigrant the U.S. from India.

    I suppose the question is whether Indian immigrants are most apt to adapt to the culture and politics of where they land in the U.S. owing to their status-consciousness and need to climb socially and economically. In other words, would their politics in the U.S. be less Democratic if they immigrated in larger numbers to the South and Plains rather than the Northeast and far West?

    Another interesting wrinkle is that in my experience where there is a mix of Indian and Pakistani immigrants in the U.S., the two groups tend to polarize politically. In my area, Pakistanis are patrons of the Democrats (probably because they apologize for Islam more than Republicans) and so the Indians coalesce around the Republicans. But the relationship seems to be a carryover from their home nations – they seem to understand the relationship as transactional rather than ideological. They donate money and later extract favors. I have no idea whether the Indians actually vote for Republicans above the Mayor/Township Supervisor level and therefore buck the national trends and averages.

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  111. Some of the most strident social media worry-postings I have seen are from Indian women I went to b-school with:
    “Can’t sleep, so scared right now. Stayed up all night talking about moving to Canada…” etc
    Yeah, right
    But before the worry posts I enjoyed their “Dear America” posts… I loved hearing these high-caste visitors tell me what America means, just loved it.
    They are elite or close to elite in their home land, then come here and play the diversity game really well…

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  112. Thea says:
    @Daniel H
    >>Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?<<

    Ha, ha. You are on a roll. Keep it going.

    It’s almost like the leaders of the “left” want people to rally around everything but class consciousness.

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  113. @Kyle McKenna
    All that being said (and that's a heck of a lot), I have seldom encountered a more strident subpop of SJWs than subcontinent Indian males. No sooner does their overloaded 747 from Delhi set down at ORD or JFK than they start in with the "kill all the white Christian males" thing that we already get 24/7. Good thing there's only a billion more on the way, right? We need someone like Donald Trump for president, I'm telling you.

    We can always count on the Manosphere to express (somewhat) valid sociological insights in the most degenerate possible idiom.

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  114. Steve, the SJW job market got a lot tougher last November 9, when a job in Washington became a non-option.

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    Steve, the SJW job market got a lot tougher last November 9, when a job in Washington became a non-option.
     
    I wonder if we'll see a commensurate decline in enrollment at schools and departments with the name "studies" (esp., international studies, area studies, etc.). As Rabbi Daniel Lapin says about this, any major or department with the word studies in it is most likely worthless (my paraphrase), (e.g., women's studies, Chicano studies, African-American studies,...).
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a good point.

    There is also a lot of backwash into state and local politics. Here in NYC, there were more than a few Prog pols and staffers picking out drapes in DC. Now they have to compete with the president-eject's people for jobs, who are coming home unemployed with the big O on their CVs.
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  115. @JohnnyWalker123
    The boyfriend's last names is "Barnes."

    Does that sound Indian?

    He's likely a white guy, but with some non-white ancestry (perhaps Mexican).

    What do you know… Stereotyping and judging a book by its cover works perfectly once again.

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  116. @JohnnyWalker123
    That's because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can't get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn't get laid, you'd be angry too.

    Lots of online forums get trolled by Indian/Paki men who loudly vent their sexual frustrations at the top of their lungs. It's sad, but it's also funny.

    Chinese men do alright in dating once they drop their shyness. The problem is that it's hard for them to do that. A lot of them just want to stay in mostly-Asian cliques and date Asian women. It's frightening to venture out.

    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.

    My sense is that the arranged marriages are often an indentured servitude scheme for Indian/Paki men with daughters. They get the boy over here on a fiance visa and he has to work tireless hours in the convenience store of gas station for little pay. He gets married to the boss’s daughter and eventually gets his own convenience store or gas station with help (i.e., an undocumented usurious loan for franchise fees and down money on the acquisition loan) from father-in-law. At some point he is naturalized and he can pave the way for dear old mom and dad via the magic of chain migration. If he has daughters he can replicate the process.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don’t want to go along with the scheme because they don’t buy into the clan loyalty – having been exposed to modern American atomized/individualistic notions of ideal romantic love as the business solely of the individual.

    What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway – they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.

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    Often and increasingly the daughters don’t want to go along with the scheme because they don’t buy into the clan loyalty
     
    In Merry England they're occasionally taken to the Lake District and so on, and murdered/disposed of by their own Family for this sort of treachery, although it's usually undertaken back in the Old Country, on clan turf, for obvious reasons. "Kitchen fires" account for some.
    Simple chattel goods, strictly for barter, not fungible in regard to other races.
    , @Jefferson
    "What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway – they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite."

    You associate Pakistanis with mcmansions and luxury cars? In Great Britain every Pakistani and their mama is living off welfare sucking on the government teet.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    You just described my next door neighbors to a T, except they are from Bangladesh.
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  117. Bosch says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    When I went through Yuba City one time, I noticed a lot of turban-wearing Indian Sikhs. Really huge and heavy by the standards of Indian people. Lots of guys in the 200-250 lb range and also pretty tall sometimes too, often over 6ft. Some of them sort of look Middle Eastern too and are often a bit lighter than the average Indian.

    Here's a representative picture of what they seem to look like.

    https://twitter.com/Sikh24/status/789269271838855168

    https://twitter.com/Siliconeer/status/790006439435571200

    Compared to other Indians, they look rougher, fatter, and burlier.

    Apparently, there were lots of them in the British Indian army.

    Sikhs tend to be big, broad dudes. There was something of a South Asian clique in my high school and, even un-turbaned, the Singhs were easily discernible from the narrower, more spindly Bengalis.

    That’s the reason Sikhs don’t really get bullied, despite the over-the-top headgear. They’re also overrepresented in the American military, fwiw.

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    The most famous Sikh issue has long been their opposition to mandatory helmet laws for motorcycle riders because it messes with their turbans. And they like motorcycles and don't worry that much about them being donorcycles.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, there are very few Sikhs in the American or British militaries.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/06/05/412274015/why-are-only-three-observant-sikh-men-serving-in-the-u-s-military

    Capt. Tajdeep Rattan (from left), Maj. Kamaljeet Kalsi and Lamba are the only three observant Sikh men currently serving in the U.S. military.
     

    In the UK, the armed forces number about 153,000. There are 80 British Sikhs in the armed forces. Sikhs are 0.7% of the UK population, so we’d expected about 1,100 Sikh soldiers. Not 80. Therefore, a non-Sikh UK resident is 13.3x more likely to join the UK armed forces than a Sikh UK resident.
     
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  118. njguy73 says:
    @Connecticut Famer
    Back in The Sixties, it was an open secret that the reason why most guys got into what used to be known as "The Movement" was because, face it, it was a great way to meet babes and get laid.

    Kinda like how in the ’90s, “I believe Anita” was thought to be a good way to get points with chicks.

    Fat lot of good it did me.

    Not that I’m bitter.

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  119. Lugash says:

    Semi OT:

    Trump needs to unleash the DoJ Civil Rights division on Silicon Valley. It would be a perfect way to needle an enemy, deflect charges of racism and tie the media in a knot.

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    I like that idea but I like my phones to work. I've seen what adding diversity has done to police, fire, etc. No need to ruin my cell phone and computer as well.

    How about Trump abolish the DOJ's enforcement of quotas? Recognize that we are as diverse as we should be (probably more so) and just quit trying to find the last fraction of possible (never actual) discrimination.
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  120. pyrrhus says:
    @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    iSteve, we need another piece on whether the Hotties are taking over the Shoah business….

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  121. JohnnyD says:
    @Discordiax
    Consider also that the subcontinentals we get are selected from the Brahmin type castes--priest-king-scholar-scribes. I suspect that selects for/emphasizes verbal fluency. Indians as the new Jews--if there's an intellectual movement, it's going to need articulate spokesmen, and you'll find Nikki Haleys and Kamala HArrises well out of proportion to their demographic numbers.

    ,
    In many ways, the children of Indian and East-Asian immigrants are the new Jews. They seem to work harder in school than younger American Jews, who have gotten accustomed to be privileged. It would make sense that Indian and East-Asian millennials would also want to profit from the SJW racket, which American Jews have been doing since the 1960s.

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  122. Ed says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    That's because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can't get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn't get laid, you'd be angry too.

    Lots of online forums get trolled by Indian/Paki men who loudly vent their sexual frustrations at the top of their lungs. It's sad, but it's also funny.

    Chinese men do alright in dating once they drop their shyness. The problem is that it's hard for them to do that. A lot of them just want to stay in mostly-Asian cliques and date Asian women. It's frightening to venture out.

    Yeah I’m not sure about the “can’t get them” part. Several of them got their fair share of their boasting is to be believed.

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    I've always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian, especially if the UK is to be believed. In all frankness, I think that your average Chinese is much more "alien" than they are. While I knew of some Indian customs from coworkers, it never seemed to be as encompassing as a life guide as thoughts about Confucianism, etc, were and they don't seem to have the same type of clannishness or internal obsession with stability.

    The number of times someone Chinese has said to me about "We're Chinese, so we do things this way..." is beyond count, so we clearly have strong internal stereotypes. There's a clear sense of "We work harder, we aren't as politically correct, we still have our own language and life is hard on us, so we will struggle more," and heaven knows how often I was shamed for not saving enough.

    Indians seem to fit in better, they have fragmented their cliques already along caste lines, so they reassociate in new society with much more ease. As an example, I've known of far more Indian vice presidents and executives in my American companies than East Asian vice presidents(none!) - but I don't know of any Indians that invite each other to dinner just because of a shared race, while when I was in the US, I was pretty much cordial both on and off work with a number of other Chinese.

    The result of that is that we always seem to have jobs and always can help each other, but we never seem to hit the highest levels. We just keep to a upper middle level, but for everyone does much better than average.

    , @JohnnyWalker123

    of their boasting is to be believed.
     
    It isn't. They're lying. I used to live in an area full of IT/software guys. Even with their money and massive presence on online dating sites, they're nearly 100% incel. You never see them with women at any club or bar. I think a lot of them are waiting for arranged marriages from back home. I can say that Indian/Paki men are easily the least sexually desired men in America. Well below even Asians.

    You might occasionally see a non-Indian woman with an Indian/Paki guy, but only if the guy is affluent and spends big. Even then, it's hard. Even Indian women don't want Indian men.

    If you scroll up this topic (go to post 47), you'll see a video of an Indian pickup artist named "Shawn Valentino." He claims to have had hundreds of beautiful lovers and even wrote a book about it. When he was invited on tv and asked to interact with large group of women (in a dating show), he struck out hard. The guy was a total joke and seemed like he'd never had a romantic conversation with a woman at any point in his life. I think he's a good example of Indians - all talk, no show.

    Which is why I made that point about Indians/Pakis being shameless self-promoters and grifters. They're good at bullshitting, but you can't trust a word they say. Such people make excellent SJWs and politicians.

    In the IT industry, they're known for "overcomitting" to projects. Which means that they oversell and underdeliver. I'd trust their stories about sexual escapades about as much as I'd trust them in business. Which is to say - not at all.
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  123. GregMan says:

    “an anti-cis-heterosexist-white version of Eve Ensler’s Vagina Monologues”

    Is there any other kind of Vagina Monologues?

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  124. Hard to imagine a true tiger daughter wanting or being allowed to go into a field with no money and no prestige. It’s all stem or law whether they want it or not.

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  125. Ryan K says:

    What does SJW mean?? Shouldn’t we define terms before using them heavily?

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    Shouldn't you read the site more than once before commenting?
    , @guest
    Read "SJWs Always Lie" by Vox Day. Or just google it.

    It has been defined, over and over again.
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  126. @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

    I’ve noticed that phenomenon for years. The truth is that virtually none of the women on the right save Ann Coulter really stand out intellectually. But nerdy conservative guys are very vulnerable to the temptation to White Knight or “fanboy” conservative females like the ones you mention (and I can easily list another half dozen off the top of my head).

    The same follows when we get a token minority star like Milo or Ben Carson (remember Andrew Sullivan and Herman Cain?). We often give them a pass on actually establishing their cred through hard work, like a Thomas Sowell, and by doing so, we end up doing them no favors.

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    It's kind of sad to note the ones that didn't quite make the cut, like Katie Kieffer. Pro-tip: If their site includes a photo gallery, they're probably not banking strictly on their sterling intellect.
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  127. @Ed
    Yeah I'm not sure about the "can't get them" part. Several of them got their fair share of their boasting is to be believed.

    I’ve always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian, especially if the UK is to be believed. In all frankness, I think that your average Chinese is much more “alien” than they are. While I knew of some Indian customs from coworkers, it never seemed to be as encompassing as a life guide as thoughts about Confucianism, etc, were and they don’t seem to have the same type of clannishness or internal obsession with stability.

    The number of times someone Chinese has said to me about “We’re Chinese, so we do things this way…” is beyond count, so we clearly have strong internal stereotypes. There’s a clear sense of “We work harder, we aren’t as politically correct, we still have our own language and life is hard on us, so we will struggle more,” and heaven knows how often I was shamed for not saving enough.

    Indians seem to fit in better, they have fragmented their cliques already along caste lines, so they reassociate in new society with much more ease. As an example, I’ve known of far more Indian vice presidents and executives in my American companies than East Asian vice presidents(none!) – but I don’t know of any Indians that invite each other to dinner just because of a shared race, while when I was in the US, I was pretty much cordial both on and off work with a number of other Chinese.

    The result of that is that we always seem to have jobs and always can help each other, but we never seem to hit the highest levels. We just keep to a upper middle level, but for everyone does much better than average.

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    The Indian march through the boardrooms of Western corporations is due three factors.

    1) Near native command of English, something very rare among Chinese even Singaporeans whose English is the best of the lot yet still mediocre.

    2) A more extroverted attitude. E.g. I deserve this promotion, screw that other guy.

    3) Wholesale ethnic nepotism. A Chinese will tipoff another Chinese to a position that isn't being publically advertised, but generally aren't in positions to make hiring decisions. An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.

    It's a winning strategy for individual Indians, however it isn't for their society as a whole because the Indian cultural stratagem as whole is tends to cannibalize itself. They suffer under delusion that because they speak English, they are as competent as the English. This simply isn't true. Basically the way their society is organized, the ratio of "fake it till you make it" bullshitters to actual competent individuals is low. This doesn't matter as long as they are not in India because there are more people to take advantage of, but when most other people around you are operating using the same parasitic firmware, it tends to collapse into a giant pile of mediocrity. Hence all the Indian MBA's in Western business C-suites, yet zero Indian companies that are actually capable of competing with global companies in their own fields.
    , @Twinkie

    I’ve always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian
     
    No. It depends on what you mean by "East Asian."

    Being quite traditional, my proxy for "doing better with women" is marriage. Here are the actual numbers compiled based on Census data:

    US-born males married to US-born white females (the numbers in parentheses are ALL males, in other words inclusive of foreign-born):

    Koreans: 34.6% (5.3%)
    Filipinos: 31.8% (7.9%)
    Chinese: 26.5% (5.2%)
    Indians: 25.6% (4.3%)
    *Japanese: 25.1% (18.8%)
    Vietnamese: 21.9% (2.8%)

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    *I suspect this is skewed by a high degree of admixture among "Japanese" born in the U.S.

    It's always been my contention that four elements exert a strong role in Asian male intermarriage with white females in the U.S.:

    1. Acculturation. There is a HUGE disparity between the foreign-born and the American-born. It appears that the great bulk of "Asian male penalty" as such relates to foreign-ness and low status of immigrants.

    2. Height. Women prefer height above almost all other factors. Koreans are, on average, the tallest men in Asia, and I suspect this helps a great deal in the marriage market. At the other end of the spectrum, the very small stature of Vietnamese men hurt them I would think.

    3. Religion. Religious compatibility is still a very important factor in marriage and childrearing. The country is still substantially Christian, Protestant in fact, and Koreans in America are, by far, the most Protestant among Asians. I've seen estimate as high as 70-90% of Koreans in America are Protestant. Next up are the Filipinos who are, of course, overwhelmingly Catholic.

    4. Military service. This may simply be a proxy for many other factors, but nothing says "manly" like a soldier wearing a uniform. Both Koreans and Filipinos have high rates of military service, with the former in the Army and the latter in the Navy. Indeed, in many graduating classes, the modal surname at West Point is "Kim." What's more, Koreans are more highly represented in combat arms rather than combat support and support services in the military compared to other Asian ethnics.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually, from what I've seen, Indians are often very clannish and love ethnic networking too. Their culture and family system seems all-consuming too.

    The main advantage they have is that they're far more verbally fluent and extroverted. That helps in getting promoted into management. If you're not a good talker and not socially engaged with others, you won't get promotions. Also, you have to be willing to kiss your manager's butt a lot, which favors expressive extroverts.

    As for women, here's a study that found that Indian men were the least successful in online dating.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    Another study also found that Indian men were the least successful race. Even less than Asians. There are also studies (from the UK) on STI infection that found that Chinese are more likely to have chlamydia than Indians&Pakis, which indicates that Chinese men are more sexually active.
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  128. Pericles says:
    @jtgw
    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they're hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    We used to have ‘noblesse oblige’.

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  129. @Cloudbuster
    I've noticed that phenomenon for years. The truth is that virtually none of the women on the right save Ann Coulter really stand out intellectually. But nerdy conservative guys are very vulnerable to the temptation to White Knight or "fanboy" conservative females like the ones you mention (and I can easily list another half dozen off the top of my head).

    The same follows when we get a token minority star like Milo or Ben Carson (remember Andrew Sullivan and Herman Cain?). We often give them a pass on actually establishing their cred through hard work, like a Thomas Sowell, and by doing so, we end up doing them no favors.

    It’s kind of sad to note the ones that didn’t quite make the cut, like Katie Kieffer. Pro-tip: If their site includes a photo gallery, they’re probably not banking strictly on their sterling intellect.

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  130. Pericles says:
    @anonguy
    OT, but just like that, poof, TPP is gone....

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/trump-dumping-trans-pacific-partnership/

    Just that easy. Reminds me of an Economist cover at the end of 1989 and the fall of all the Warsaw Pact regimes.

    "They just had to say boo!".

    That's where we are now. This stuff is going to be dropping like flies.

    Oh, in case anyone hasn't noticed, ol' Mad Dog Mattis is wasting no time smiting ISIS, something being ignored in the press.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/22/mattis-celebrates-first-day-at-pentagon-by-blowing-up-isis-31-times/

    Remember, they said they were going to wrap up ISIS in 30 days or something.

    We are living in a time of myth, legend, and giants.

    I just hope they don’t hit any CIA liaisons.

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  131. TWS says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Maybe he's Anglo-Indian, like comedian Russell Peters?

    I had an apartment-mate 30 years ago who was some kind of Anglo-Indian. He was well over six feet.

    Although my son's Sikh friend from high school was about 6'6" by graduation even without the turban.

    The Sikhs I know are tall as well but my only Anglo-Indian friend was short. Five five maybe. His boys were tall though.

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  132. TWS says:
    @Lugash
    Semi OT:

    Trump needs to unleash the DoJ Civil Rights division on Silicon Valley. It would be a perfect way to needle an enemy, deflect charges of racism and tie the media in a knot.

    I like that idea but I like my phones to work. I’ve seen what adding diversity has done to police, fire, etc. No need to ruin my cell phone and computer as well.

    How about Trump abolish the DOJ’s enforcement of quotas? Recognize that we are as diverse as we should be (probably more so) and just quit trying to find the last fraction of possible (never actual) discrimination.

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  133. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Steve, the SJW job market got a lot tougher last November 9, when a job in Washington became a non-option.

    Steve, the SJW job market got a lot tougher last November 9, when a job in Washington became a non-option.

    I wonder if we’ll see a commensurate decline in enrollment at schools and departments with the name “studies” (esp., international studies, area studies, etc.). As Rabbi Daniel Lapin says about this, any major or department with the word studies in it is most likely worthless (my paraphrase), (e.g., women’s studies, Chicano studies, African-American studies,…).

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  134. @Ed
    Yeah I'm not sure about the "can't get them" part. Several of them got their fair share of their boasting is to be believed.

    of their boasting is to be believed.

    It isn’t. They’re lying. I used to live in an area full of IT/software guys. Even with their money and massive presence on online dating sites, they’re nearly 100% incel. You never see them with women at any club or bar. I think a lot of them are waiting for arranged marriages from back home. I can say that Indian/Paki men are easily the least sexually desired men in America. Well below even Asians.

    You might occasionally see a non-Indian woman with an Indian/Paki guy, but only if the guy is affluent and spends big. Even then, it’s hard. Even Indian women don’t want Indian men.

    If you scroll up this topic (go to post 47), you’ll see a video of an Indian pickup artist named “Shawn Valentino.” He claims to have had hundreds of beautiful lovers and even wrote a book about it. When he was invited on tv and asked to interact with large group of women (in a dating show), he struck out hard. The guy was a total joke and seemed like he’d never had a romantic conversation with a woman at any point in his life. I think he’s a good example of Indians – all talk, no show.

    Which is why I made that point about Indians/Pakis being shameless self-promoters and grifters. They’re good at bullshitting, but you can’t trust a word they say. Such people make excellent SJWs and politicians.

    In the IT industry, they’re known for “overcomitting” to projects. Which means that they oversell and underdeliver. I’d trust their stories about sexual escapades about as much as I’d trust them in business. Which is to say – not at all.

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    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.
    , @Ed
    Maybe there's a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians. All I know is that many of my Indian b-school classmates were gregarious & a blast to hang out with & I saw a few of them pull white girls with own eyes. One is married to a white woman.

    Now the IT consultant guys at my work do come across as more of the stereotypical wallflower types.
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  135. Mr. Blank says:

    This does seem to be very much an Asian thing. I have a few lefty Asians in my Facebook news feed and this mixed messaging — “let my complain about the sexist patriarchy while posting lots of pictures flaunting my hot looks (if they’re women) or my hot white girlfriend (if they’re men)” — is something they do.

    It’s like they know all the notes, but don’t know the music.

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  136. Dr Hook says:
    @Daniel H
    It has been said by some sage: Never interfere with your enemy when he is destroying himself.

    From our modern day Elaine Robinson's Vagina Monologues audition announcement:

    {note: Cal's Vagina Monologues is not the same as Eve Ensler's cis-heterosexist white nonsense, we are intersectional and welcome original monologues}

    We should encourage more of this patient and careful aiming in the circular firing squad.

    Several references to filling in slots at the Vagina Monologues.
    Frat boy sabotage?

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    LOL
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  137. res says:
    @Twinkie

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.
     
    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

    There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India

    Any idea why this is? Cold adaptation?

    It seems odd to me to attribute the Korea/Japan height difference to a north-south gradient given they are at a similar latitude. Am I missing something? Is the gradient that steep?

    P.S. Glad to see you commenting again.

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    Any idea why this is? Cold adaptation?
     
    Perhaps in the beginning. Koreans have much more Siberian paleo hunter-gatherer genes than the Japanese do from what I gather. The height difference was pronounced apparently even in pre-modern times if Chinese and Korean ethnographies of the period is to be believed. Plus Koreans consume much more meat (protein) than latter as well. On the other hand, perhaps in part because of the dietary differences, Koreans have a lower average lifespan than the Japanese.

    P.S. Glad to see you commenting again.
     
    Thank you. Hunting seasons are now over (except archery, but I am done for the season). I rarely if ever comment during hunting seasons.
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  138. SPMoore8 says:

    The woman looks like a fairly typical high caste Indian girl, and her BF looks like a high caste Indian as well. I’m not sure why they feel the need to embrace SJW values.

    I still don’t think that Pablo Gomez was motivated by sexual resentment, or by the fact that he was overshadowed by these good looking gals. However, the fact that his charge sheet includes an allegation of B&E robbery of a third woman (possibly another activist) is an interesting additional wrinkle.

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  139. Bleuteaux says:

    My other big takeaway from the Indian gal is, wow, it’s amazing what gallons of makeup, hair product, and professional teeth whitening will do.

    Somehow I don’t remember the feminists of the 70′s so eager to compete for sexual partners of the supposed enemy sex.

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  140. @Kyle McKenna
    She's hot in one photo but in the others she's putting out a vague Jackie Coakley vibe which is a tad unnerving. Maybe she's Jackie with a bit more talent and savvy. Though Jackie did fool a few hundred million people.

    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..

    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..

    Photo editing.

    These days photo editing techniques have become extremely sophisticated. You can change your skin color, use filtering to give yourself sharper features, photo shop in muscles, fade out blemishes, etc. It’s very common for people to use these techniques in their pictures. If you spend a lot of time on Facebook and Instagram, you’d think America was full of supermodels with toned physiques, ripped abs, and absurdly aesthetic faces.

    Especially when a person’s appearance changes significantly from picture to picture, you can be 100% sure they’re using sophisticated photo editing. That girl (I can guarantee you) photo edited that first picture massively. I’d be shocked if she looked anything like that in real life.

    I actually think that one reason people love social media so much is that it allows them to produce an idealized image of themselves. They can take pictures all day, modify those pictures in various editing programs, and then post their pics for the world to see. Then they get “likes” and “comments.” It’s a pretty nice form of validation.

    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.

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    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.
     
    I post pictures of 1980s Dolph Lundgren. It saves time. :D

    What is the point of Photoshopping one's own photos? It's a passive-aggressive form of self-delusion.

    That being said, I could understand altering my image if, say, I were selling something online and didn't want everyone to know that I looked like a creepy child-molester. (Not that I do, ha ha.) But that's about it.
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  141. EdwardM says:
    @jtgw
    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they're hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    Does this sort of characterize Russia? The people are not driven by ideology or principle, so society is paternalistic, fatalistic, and corrupt, with the peasants gladly following and genuinely admiring the Big Man of the day. Perhaps there is a departure in eastern Christianity from western Christian values of individual self-worth.

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    Eastern Orthodox Christianity tends to put a heavier emphasis on both asceticism and hierarchy than even the Catholic West. That does translate into autocracy and fatalism, but I can't see how it would encourage social climbing on the basis of looks or wealth.
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  142. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's my analysis.

    Both Asians and Indians place a huge emphasis on money-making and status-striving. This is likely a product of thousands of years of extreme malthusian selection. Both races are masters of the malthusian death match.

    Their embrace of SJWism is motivated mostly by economic factors. They see there's a lot of money and power being awarded to the SWJ leadership class - and they want in. Simple as that.

    However, by personality, Asians tend to be socially introverted, verbally not that articulate, usually agreeable, and non-opinionated. They're not the type to protest, annoy the public, or insult people. So they don't make good SJWs.

    Indians seem very verbally fluent and adept at mastering vocabulary. They also are much more outgoing than Asians and enjoy opining a lot more. So they're more suited for SJWism. Another advantage (as I mentioned above) is that Indian women have difficult, ballbusting personalities. Asians are too agreeable.

    They're a fair number of Indian-Americans on the right too (Governor Jindal, Ramesh Ponnuru of NR, Dinesh D'Souza, Governor Nikki Haley).

    Indeed. East and South Asian immigrants to Western lands tend to be highly competent and will thus be found excelling in various contexts, from SJW rabble rousing to delivering detailed Orthodox homilies at my in-laws’ Catholic church.

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  143. @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    What is your ancestry? Northern Chinese?

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    Northern Chinese?
     
    No.
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  144. Do immigrants assimilate to the political norms of the elite whites they happen to live near?

    Someone should look at the voting patterns of urban vs. rural Hispanics. Do the latter veer rightward? They do in California. Hispanic Central Valley and parts of the Inland Empire don’t unilaterally vote Democrat. They all voted down gay marriage just a decade ago.

    To what extent is the Asian and Hispanic tendency to vote and signal left-of-center simply a function of their living in urban areas already run by left-of-center whites? The fact that our two most prominent right-ish Indian politicians grew up in the Heartland seems suggestive of a trend worth exploring.

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    "Someone should look at the voting patterns of urban vs. rural Hispanics. Do the latter veer rightward? They do in California. Hispanic Central Valley and parts of the Inland Empire don’t unilaterally vote Democrat. They all voted down gay marriage just a decade ago."

    No they don't veer rightward. Even in Central California and The Inland Empire the vast majority of Hispanics voted for Crooked Cankles.
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  145. Bill B. says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    A few observations.

    1. I've noticed that among SJW/feminist women, there are disprortionately high percentage of Indian/Paki women. They're something like 1.5% of the national population and mostly new immigrants, but they are very noticeable in activism. It's interesting. For example, Hillary seemed pretty close to a few South Asian women (Huma Abedin, Neera Tanden), but she didn't seem to hang out much with Asians.

    2. Asians actually seem underrepresented among SJWs. I see some, but their representation is far smaller than their proportion of the population. Asians outnumber Indian/Pakis by a 2.5 to 1 ratio nationally, but are strongly outnumbered in the SJW world. Asian men are actually even more underrepresented as SJWs than Asian women. For whatever reason, Asians (especially Asian males) aren't drawn to activism much.

    3. Asian and Indian/Paki women have different personality types. Asian women (on the surface) are usually demure and try to be socially pleasing. Indian/Paki women are huge ball busters with attitude. Worse than white feminists and maybe even worse than Jewish women. That may influence their politics.

    4. Both Asian and Indian/Paki women are really into white men. I'm not surprised that this girl's boyfriend is white. Both races seem to regard their men as being undesirable and can be fairly accesible if you're a white guy. Indian/Paki women seem to have an especially strong revulsion towards their men. Interestingly, Indian/Paki women seem to often marry their own men in the end. They're accesible for dating, but have a strong perference for in-group marriages. They may rail against the white patriarchy, but they like dating it too.

    Sub-continental caste frictions trigger paranoia, status anxiety and promote constant vigilance.

    So perhaps no surprise?

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  146. OT

    Ultra-PC editor Suzanne Goldberg is trying her best to trash National Geographic (see January’s Transgender edition – whatever happened to the Continental Climate and the oxbow lake?). I missed the introduction of one Julia Ioffe in December, who’ll be giving us interesting takes on Russian geography that could come straight out of The Atlantic or National Review.

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/12/putin-generation-russia-soviet-union/

    “Why Many Young Russians See a Hero in Putin”

    WTF has this got to do with geography? Is Putin planning to fill in Lake Baikal or put a dam across the Gulf of Ob?

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    I know some Russians. I love how she carefully avoided the fact that many Russians support Putin specifically for those "traditional social morals," which they associate with safety for better or worse. Some Russians do seem to have an odd obsession with danger and believe the US is much more dangerous than it actually is.

    I'll love to see AK's comments on this.

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  147. Alterorbis says: • Website

    There’s an amusing plotline in the 70s series Upstairs, Downstairs where Elizabeth, the monied and beautiful daughter of the Edwardian family, slums it for a while amongst Bloomsbury type bohemians and suffragettes. One of the suffragettes becomes resentful of the fact that Elizabeth gets so much attention when smashing window panes and protesting because of how she looks.

    Like so much else from the series, I suspect it was taken from real life.

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  148. Sean says:

    Maybe “They” just wanted to have sex with open minded girls who he had got close to through activism, and couldn’t take the predictable rejection. Let’s not overthink it, they is a man who murdered an attractive young woman.

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  149. NOTA says:
    @IHTG
    Hilarious. Like you said:

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     

    And to push back, we elected a rich guy whose a super salesman and telegenic self-promoter. Hmmm….

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  150. @NOTA
    And to push back, we elected a rich guy whose a super salesman and telegenic self-promoter. Hmmm....

    These days, you either choose to be a big loser or a lesser loser. So the US right managed to be the lesser loser this time. Hooray!

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  151. Romanian says:
    @Njguy73
    "For long periods the High seem to be securely in power...They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. " - Emmanuel Goldstein

    So we have seen a preemptive strike on part of the High by coopting the Low to bleed the Middle?

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    a preemptive strike on part of the High by coopting the Low to bleed the Middle?
     
    You mean like elites importing low-capital types to serve as cheap labor for conservative interests, and as clients for liberal interests?
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  152. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Ultra-PC editor Suzanne Goldberg is trying her best to trash National Geographic (see January's Transgender edition - whatever happened to the Continental Climate and the oxbow lake?). I missed the introduction of one Julia Ioffe in December, who'll be giving us interesting takes on Russian geography that could come straight out of The Atlantic or National Review.

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/12/putin-generation-russia-soviet-union/

    "Why Many Young Russians See a Hero in Putin"

    WTF has this got to do with geography? Is Putin planning to fill in Lake Baikal or put a dam across the Gulf of Ob?

    I know some Russians. I love how she carefully avoided the fact that many Russians support Putin specifically for those “traditional social morals,” which they associate with safety for better or worse. Some Russians do seem to have an odd obsession with danger and believe the US is much more dangerous than it actually is.

    I’ll love to see AK’s comments on this.

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  153. Clyde says:
    @Jimi
    That's why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.

    That’s why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.

    Bushwick being the up and coming hipster neighborhood (NYC) now that prices have gotten too high in parts of Brooklyn previously “settled” by white hipsters. With Blacks and Hispanics exiting and hipsters entering.

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    I remember my friends living in a dorm-like 6-man, 6-bedroom apartment and dealing with street crime when they moved to Bushwick circa 2007 because it was more affordable than a comparable place in Williamsburg. They were the vanguard of the SWPL army, I suppose.
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  154. BenKenobi says:
    @Autochthon
    I'd never heard of this creature so I investigated. The excerpts from Webpages in the list of results indicated she was "Canadian-American" and her photograph indicated she was Asian so I smelt a rat. Sure enough, she's an Iraqi (ethnically Armenian).

    Please let's all stop entertaining these lunatics' pretended nationalities and ethnicities just as we don't entertain their pretended sexes.

    The "Texan boy" with the clock was not. The "Floridian man" who murdered the homosexuals in Orlando was not.

    And so on. Calling these people Texan, Floridian, French, etc. should be met with just as much outcry in the media as that crazy white lady (Dolezel?) who pretended to be black was met with. But it never is.

    So we pretend Salma Hayek, a relatively fair, attractive, and buxom Lebanese lady is representative of swarthy, ugly, pudgy mestizos in Mexico.

    We pretend murderous Somalis, Arabs, etc. are British, American, and French.

    On and on it goes. You don't get to dictate your own identity. Sure, you can take up surfing or learn to play a piano, study chemistry rather than philosophy. But those are behaviours. If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I'll still be a 5'10" American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body. Period. If I described myself as the Dutchman I'd be pitied, ridiculed, reviled, or some combination thereof. At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.

    We must stop humouring the pretenders and play-actors. You wanna be something you aren't? Fine, call over some friends to play Dungeons & Dragons. You can be an elven knight. When the game is over, though, you have to go back to being you; no one at the office is going to treat you like an elf come Monday morning.

    Elves can’t be Paladins!!!!!

    I agree with the rest of your post, however.

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    Knights: An elf can also become a knight in the service of a monarch. The elf can do so upon swearing fealty, with no alteration to the basic elven character class. Elven knights prefer elven monarchs, but otherwise may swear fealty to a human monarch, although the latter is rare.
     
    From optional rules by Bruce Heard, published in Dragon magazine (http://annarchive.com/files/Drmg178.pdf)
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  155. Lugash says:
    @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

    Add Katherine Timpf to the top of that list.

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    Beat me to it. Although Kat is cute as a button and I do think shet has some comic chops. Her man-in-the-street and on-location stuff can be funny:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCETbQMv66Cug04WduHwmRaQ
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  156. @Jim Christian
    Slate, New Republic and Atlantic? One of the worst pajama-boy SJW writers is quite "mainstream" at the Washington Post, Dana Milbank. He's in his thirties and freely admits he lives, that's right, in Mom's basement. His screed are infantile, complaining and perhaps reflect his own situation. Still, there he is for years now, sniffing up the a-hole of everyone and every situation that pisses him off, except with the compassion of a nod to SJW rhetoric toward this group or that, his virtue-signaling the real goal.

    The thing with SJW is the virtue-signaling, that is, "I'm good and compassionate and SJW". These folks, and Dana Milbank is one of them, are so bent they could be kidnapped by 6 Blacks, tied up, slapped around, robbed, sexually assaulted where the sun don't shine and left nekkid on the steps of the Washington Post, all fully documented on Skype, Facebook and Twitter. Given a robe, Dana Milbank would crawl to his desk and type out a screed about how it was all his fault, or Trump's fault, anyone's fault but the perpetrators because telling the TRUTH of the matter would instantly wipe out his SJW street cred.

    And so with that, where are we to find the truth? And what the hell are we thinking loaning money for this kind of "education"? What happened to the notion of "college material", as the average Liberal Arts pursuit and student are NOT. "You just aren't college material" a common refrain forty years back. And so the men go get a trade or bail to the military and the women go find a job and a husband, likely said tradesman that also not college material, but still perfectly worthy.

    When we force colleges to co-sign college loans, the worthless SJW degrees will instantly vanish because no one in those courses and programs could get a job to pay back their loans and the colleges sure wouldn't want to pay the loan. College for those who are college material, real college for real intellects. When we got to the point that everyone was deemed college material (and underwriting the concept), that was our doom, a foolish, idiotic concept. It was a scam. Do the math, check the dates, there's no arguing the point. Wanna MAGA? Go back to the concept of College Material, but enforce it by forcing colleges and universities to cosign loans. Nonsensical "Studies" programs AND the SJW culture will instantly disappear. T'would be for the best for everyone and everything, except for their endowments..

    Placet.

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  157. ussr andy says:

    dear sirs,
    i’m an electronics hobbyist and I know subcontinentals primarily from reading programming and EE forums.. one thing that is striking is that they’re very sloppy writers.. even the smart ones.. & they come across as slow due to this habit of writeing multiple dots at the ends of sentences.. i was as of yet unable to find the reason why they do it..

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    "this habit of writeing multiple dots at the ends of sentences.. "
    Rules are for squares man...dig?...
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  158. @Alec Leamas

    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.
     
    My sense is that the arranged marriages are often an indentured servitude scheme for Indian/Paki men with daughters. They get the boy over here on a fiance visa and he has to work tireless hours in the convenience store of gas station for little pay. He gets married to the boss's daughter and eventually gets his own convenience store or gas station with help (i.e., an undocumented usurious loan for franchise fees and down money on the acquisition loan) from father-in-law. At some point he is naturalized and he can pave the way for dear old mom and dad via the magic of chain migration. If he has daughters he can replicate the process.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don't want to go along with the scheme because they don't buy into the clan loyalty - having been exposed to modern American atomized/individualistic notions of ideal romantic love as the business solely of the individual.

    What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway - they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don’t want to go along with the scheme because they don’t buy into the clan loyalty

    In Merry England they’re occasionally taken to the Lake District and so on, and murdered/disposed of by their own Family for this sort of treachery, although it’s usually undertaken back in the Old Country, on clan turf, for obvious reasons. “Kitchen fires” account for some.
    Simple chattel goods, strictly for barter, not fungible in regard to other races.

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  159. whorefinder says: • Website
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    That's because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can't get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn't get laid, you'd be angry too.

    Lots of online forums get trolled by Indian/Paki men who loudly vent their sexual frustrations at the top of their lungs. It's sad, but it's also funny.

    Chinese men do alright in dating once they drop their shyness. The problem is that it's hard for them to do that. A lot of them just want to stay in mostly-Asian cliques and date Asian women. It's frightening to venture out.

    Many of the Indian guys think it’s all about race, and then actually try, when picking up women, to look like a black guy—black guy clothing, keep hair short to hide it’s straightness, darken up their complexion, etc. They figure they can’t pass for white so they’ll try black.

    But that just makes it worse, since blacks actually don’t get laid by non-blacks all that much, the media just portrays that they do.

    Indian guys also fail when they try to buy women’s affections via designer clothes and cars and the like.

    Again, a confident attitude and conforming to the culture work best. An Indian guy wearing western clothes (but not overtly flashy) and smiling and laid back with confidence will do fine. If East Asian guys can pick up white girls (and they do) despite having one of the worst stereotypes about them (i.e. small genitalia), then Indian guys can do the same.

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  160. benjaminl says:

    Off Topic:

    a rejoinder to the “Bible says we must have open borders” line, for those of us who care about such things:

    http://religionnews.com/2017/01/10/jeff-sessions-got-it-right-on-immigrants-and-the-bible/

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  161. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

    Well, they do often offer a lot of non-Left guys some sexual validation for their beliefs. When 90% of the Hollywood women are pushing lefty beliefs, it can be depressing and disheartening for a guy to have his non-Lefty beliefs; by having them, he might be sexually shut out. Hot women espousing non-lefty beliefs are going to keep him from changing his politics, because he feels validated.

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  162. Ideologically speaking, androgynous rights is a better fit with traditional blank slate leftism than trans rights. Trans people want the right to switch genders and become more like feminine women and masculine men. In contrast, a lot of androgynous people want society to radically change so that ugly androgynous people have equal social status with masculine men and women.

    My gut feeling is that at least 30 percent of SJWs aren’t even leftists. They are just single issue fanatics who are progressive when it comes to their pet issue.

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    My gut feeling is that at least 30 percent of SJWs aren’t even leftists. They are just single issue fanatics who are progressive when it comes to their pet issue.
     
    I'd say 90 percent of SJWs aren’t leftists in any meaningful sense of the word.
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  163. @Lugash
    Add Katherine Timpf to the top of that list.

    Beat me to it. Although Kat is cute as a button and I do think shet has some comic chops. Her man-in-the-street and on-location stuff can be funny:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCETbQMv66Cug04WduHwmRaQ

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  164. @JohnnyWalker123
    Matt Forney (a contributor to the site run by Turkish-American pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh) had an interesting article about Indian/Paki women.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls



    If you live in the west, dating an Indian girl is one of the worst decisions you can make. Indians combine the worst of their native culture and the worst of American culture in one disgusting, rancid stew. Here’s why you should never date—or even pump and dump—an Indian girl.

     


    1. They’re unattractive
    Forget about Aishwaryi Rai and every other smoking hot Bollywood actress you’ve ever seen: the average Indian girl has a Coke can physique and bad genes. While not as disgustingly obese as the average American, even fit Desi girls are packing more poundage than any girl should be legally allowed to have. Even if she’s in shape, expect her to balloon up like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man the minute she gets a ring on it. Have you ever seen a skinny Indian woman over the age of 35? Thought not.
    Not only that, even decent-looking Indian girls have unappealing bodies. Desis may have big butts, but their asses and breasts are always squishy and soft, like a bowl of Jell-O. Additionally, every single Indian girl I’ve ever known had too much body hair. Combine that with their obesity-prone genetics and you might as well be sleeping with a fat guy.
     

    2. They’re prudes
    When I say Indian girls are prudish, I don’t mean they’re hard to get in the sack: God no. I mean they have all sorts of bizarre sexual hangups that make banging them about as fun as thrusting your dick into a vacuum cleaner. Indian girls have sexually conservative attitudes thanks to their parents, and navigating their sea of rationalizations is a prerequisite for getting your rocks off.
    The first Indian girl I ever banged, in college, was an “everything-but” virgin, in that she did everything but normal, vaginal intercourse: blowjobs, anal, the whole nine yards. She actually believed that this excused all the slutting around she did. Another Desi I met not long after refused to go down on me, saying it was “gross”… even as she bragged about how much she loved it when guys went down on her. These selfish attitudes are reinforced by the spoiled, daddy’s little girl mentalities that Indian girls have.

     


    3. They’re self-loathing
    Membdiscussions by whining about how they can’t get white girls because of their brown skin. Indian girls possess the same exact inferiority complex. Every Indian girl I’ve ever known secretly loathed her ethnic heritage, wanted to be white, and fetishized white men to a degree that was downright creepy.
    What separates Indian girls from other Asian girls, who wear their lust for white men on their sleeves, is their obsession with their native culture. Indian girls raised in the U.S. will never shut up about the glories of India, a nation where poor people shit on the streets and the government has to force people to use toilets. Meanwhile, these same loud-and-proud Indian girls date white men and complain about Indian men being “misogynistic” and “controllingers of the Roosh V Forum are well aware of Indian Race Trolls, self-loathing Indian men who hijack .”
     

    4. They’re feminists
    For some reason, Indian girls in the U.S. are unusually susceptible to feminist and social justice warrior brain rot. Despite their wealthy, cushy upbringings, Indian girls almost always become ardent feminists, swallowing the cultural Marxist program whole. SJWs like Beejoli Shah, who invent stories about being raped, are representative of the average Indian girl and the noxious ideological soup she bathes in.
    Indian girls justify their misandry by claiming that Indian culture is “sexist” and “patriarchal,” but this couldn’t be further from the truth. Indian families are matriarchal, with mothers dominating their husbands and children. In particular, Indian mothers control their sons with guilt trips and shame, which is why so many of them become sackless weaklings and Indian Race Trolls. Indian girls growing up in America are some of the most privileged people on Earth.

     



    5. They’re mentally ill
    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but Indian girls are almost always off their rockers. When you combine SJW ideology, racial self-loathing, and bizarre attitudes towards sex, you end up with a psycho. Dating an Indian girl will be a constant roller coaster of fights, drama and frustration, with your only reward being getting to nail a hirsute chick with a pudding pop ass.
    The absolute worst types of Indian girls are the ones adopted by white couples, fairly common in upper-middle class America. The most insane girl I ever banged was an Indian with white parents: she was a borderline who tried to provoke me into hitting her because she felt I was “neglecting” her. While she didn’t mindfuck me in the way that BPD girls usually do to their men, the abusive relationship screwed me up for months after it ended.
    The only justifiable reason to pursue a Desi girl is because you want to get your Indian flag. But hanging around them longer than it takes to bust on their faces will end in tragedy for you. When it comes to girls, any ethnicity or race is a better bet than Indians.
     

    I always thought that Roosh was Armenian. I guess the Armenian Holocaust was pretty effective.

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    I always thought that Roosh was Armenian.
     
    He's an ethnic Armenian from what is today the Republic of Turkey.
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  165. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    You know who else might feel threatened by comely, young Bay Area lady SJWs?
    https://twitter.com/KaporCenter/status/823199220291305473

    Amazing how this freak of nature always manages to land on her feet. Lib networking is powerful but usually involves sucking off government funding (ripping off the taxpayer) in some way shape or form. The .edu racket for example.

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  166. We are doomed. The ratchet effect in action. :-(

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  167. If you ever get a high caste Indian lecturing you about America’s systemic racism, ask her if she still washes her hands every time she sees a dalit.

    OT: Expected to find iSteve draped in black

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4146864/China-orders-100-golf-courses-shut-govt.html

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  168. Jefferson says:
    @Alec Leamas

    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.
     
    My sense is that the arranged marriages are often an indentured servitude scheme for Indian/Paki men with daughters. They get the boy over here on a fiance visa and he has to work tireless hours in the convenience store of gas station for little pay. He gets married to the boss's daughter and eventually gets his own convenience store or gas station with help (i.e., an undocumented usurious loan for franchise fees and down money on the acquisition loan) from father-in-law. At some point he is naturalized and he can pave the way for dear old mom and dad via the magic of chain migration. If he has daughters he can replicate the process.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don't want to go along with the scheme because they don't buy into the clan loyalty - having been exposed to modern American atomized/individualistic notions of ideal romantic love as the business solely of the individual.

    What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway - they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.

    “What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway – they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.”

    You associate Pakistanis with mcmansions and luxury cars? In Great Britain every Pakistani and their mama is living off welfare sucking on the government teet.

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    IT H1B-ville had an old world eruption among the multi-family McMansions

    http://abc11.com/news/student-attacked-with-machete-in-front-of-an-apex-home/1699454/
    , @Alec Leamas

    You associate Pakistanis with mcmansions and luxury cars? In Great Britain every Pakistani and their mama is living off welfare sucking on the government teet.
     
    There is probably a different strategy for Paki immigrants to our respective nations. In the U.S. they're often either low level entrepreneurs (lots own franchised gas stations with attached convenience stores), in IT or Doctors and Pharmacists. The entrepreneurs (as with many immigrant entrepreneurs) have a competitive advantage contra the native born because they're often scofflaws who don't observe things like wage and hour laws and other regulations - and the governments don't seem to bother them much about it. I surmise that our native population of blacks wouldn't tolerate anyone usurping their birthright as wards of the State, and Pakis would find it less than hospitable to share spaces and institutions with them anyway.
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  169. @JohnnyWalker123
    Matt Forney (a contributor to the site run by Turkish-American pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh) had an interesting article about Indian/Paki women.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls



    If you live in the west, dating an Indian girl is one of the worst decisions you can make. Indians combine the worst of their native culture and the worst of American culture in one disgusting, rancid stew. Here’s why you should never date—or even pump and dump—an Indian girl.

     


    1. They’re unattractive
    Forget about Aishwaryi Rai and every other smoking hot Bollywood actress you’ve ever seen: the average Indian girl has a Coke can physique and bad genes. While not as disgustingly obese as the average American, even fit Desi girls are packing more poundage than any girl should be legally allowed to have. Even if she’s in shape, expect her to balloon up like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man the minute she gets a ring on it. Have you ever seen a skinny Indian woman over the age of 35? Thought not.
    Not only that, even decent-looking Indian girls have unappealing bodies. Desis may have big butts, but their asses and breasts are always squishy and soft, like a bowl of Jell-O. Additionally, every single Indian girl I’ve ever known had too much body hair. Combine that with their obesity-prone genetics and you might as well be sleeping with a fat guy.
     

    2. They’re prudes
    When I say Indian girls are prudish, I don’t mean they’re hard to get in the sack: God no. I mean they have all sorts of bizarre sexual hangups that make banging them about as fun as thrusting your dick into a vacuum cleaner. Indian girls have sexually conservative attitudes thanks to their parents, and navigating their sea of rationalizations is a prerequisite for getting your rocks off.
    The first Indian girl I ever banged, in college, was an “everything-but” virgin, in that she did everything but normal, vaginal intercourse: blowjobs, anal, the whole nine yards. She actually believed that this excused all the slutting around she did. Another Desi I met not long after refused to go down on me, saying it was “gross”… even as she bragged about how much she loved it when guys went down on her. These selfish attitudes are reinforced by the spoiled, daddy’s little girl mentalities that Indian girls have.

     


    3. They’re self-loathing
    Membdiscussions by whining about how they can’t get white girls because of their brown skin. Indian girls possess the same exact inferiority complex. Every Indian girl I’ve ever known secretly loathed her ethnic heritage, wanted to be white, and fetishized white men to a degree that was downright creepy.
    What separates Indian girls from other Asian girls, who wear their lust for white men on their sleeves, is their obsession with their native culture. Indian girls raised in the U.S. will never shut up about the glories of India, a nation where poor people shit on the streets and the government has to force people to use toilets. Meanwhile, these same loud-and-proud Indian girls date white men and complain about Indian men being “misogynistic” and “controllingers of the Roosh V Forum are well aware of Indian Race Trolls, self-loathing Indian men who hijack .”
     

    4. They’re feminists
    For some reason, Indian girls in the U.S. are unusually susceptible to feminist and social justice warrior brain rot. Despite their wealthy, cushy upbringings, Indian girls almost always become ardent feminists, swallowing the cultural Marxist program whole. SJWs like Beejoli Shah, who invent stories about being raped, are representative of the average Indian girl and the noxious ideological soup she bathes in.
    Indian girls justify their misandry by claiming that Indian culture is “sexist” and “patriarchal,” but this couldn’t be further from the truth. Indian families are matriarchal, with mothers dominating their husbands and children. In particular, Indian mothers control their sons with guilt trips and shame, which is why so many of them become sackless weaklings and Indian Race Trolls. Indian girls growing up in America are some of the most privileged people on Earth.

     



    5. They’re mentally ill
    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but Indian girls are almost always off their rockers. When you combine SJW ideology, racial self-loathing, and bizarre attitudes towards sex, you end up with a psycho. Dating an Indian girl will be a constant roller coaster of fights, drama and frustration, with your only reward being getting to nail a hirsute chick with a pudding pop ass.
    The absolute worst types of Indian girls are the ones adopted by white couples, fairly common in upper-middle class America. The most insane girl I ever banged was an Indian with white parents: she was a borderline who tried to provoke me into hitting her because she felt I was “neglecting” her. While she didn’t mindfuck me in the way that BPD girls usually do to their men, the abusive relationship screwed me up for months after it ended.
    The only justifiable reason to pursue a Desi girl is because you want to get your Indian flag. But hanging around them longer than it takes to bust on their faces will end in tragedy for you. When it comes to girls, any ethnicity or race is a better bet than Indians.
     

    Matt Forney had some bad luck. I’ve had two Desi girlfriends and they were both great–for the short term: a super smart Tamil brahmin and a hot Bengali kshatriya. The Bengali is still the sexiest woman I have ever known. They both married endogamously.

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    Were they hostile toward White identity?
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  170. @International Jew
    Steve, the SJW job market got a lot tougher last November 9, when a job in Washington became a non-option.

    This is a good point.

    There is also a lot of backwash into state and local politics. Here in NYC, there were more than a few Prog pols and staffers picking out drapes in DC. Now they have to compete with the president-eject’s people for jobs, who are coming home unemployed with the big O on their CVs.

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    I read that 90% of the hotel reservations made in advance for the recent inauguration were cancelled on a certain Wednesday in November.
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  171. @Clyde
    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.

    SJWs can work in public schools. Many high schools have ethnic studies classes. At least one high school in San Francisco has a race relation class. SJWs have worked tirelessly to end the “school to prison pipeline”, so now misbehaving kids can’t be suspended and kids are allowed to talk on their cell phones during class. New York City is actively recruiting “non-white male” teachers without fear of reprisal from the government.

    SJWs are also demanding that classrooms and entire schools be racially and economically balanced to reflect the demographics of the school district. The kids aren’t actually learning anything, but that is not the social justice warrior’s problem. If a child cannot meet a standard, the SJW demands that the standard be lowered.

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    Prep schools may provide an interesting subject for a deeper look at education trends. For example, how much of a typical day is absorbed with SJW themes or other non-academic activities? Without the coercion of federal funds, what latitude do schools have to concentrate on traditional education? Given the choice, would schools exclude Common Core or similar mandates?
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  172. PSR says:

    Do these people inevitably have the ah-ha moment when they realize all their tilting at the windmills of human nature were wasted, the potentially most curious and valuable time of their lives spent studying self-reverential gibberish? I know those who get jobs paddling in the Stream of Gibberish have to act like they are true believers, at least until they retire, but don’t the majority finally get it?

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    In a word, no. Judging from my wife's Facebook feed there is never a moment of an introspection, never a thought about the concordance between the ideology espoused on the signs at the protests and the real world or lack thereof, never a thought in their pretty little heads. Can you imagine carrying a sign at a women's rights protest depicting a woman in an American flag hijab if you had an ounce of introspection?
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  173. MIA was on the ‘chopped cheese’ cultural appropriation tip from the jump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/nyregion/chopped-cheese-ginia-bellafante.html?_r=0

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  174. AMWF says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences. As stated before, young Korean men are taller than young Japanese men. On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.

    1. Average Height of a male in Shandong = 175.44cm
    Average Height of a male in Beijing = 175.33cm

    http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/01/average-heights-men-women.php

    2. Average Height of a male in the UK = 175.3cm

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11534042

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    we need to stop this pointless east asian obsession with height; the angle I am getting from your comment and your handle is that you believe that asian males will reach parity with (white) males in the social and dating spheres through virtue of being taller alone. In fact I frequently get this impression from fellow asians who think that simply becoming taller and more high status is the way to a (white) girls heart; while this is somewhat true, I think that increased height and social status are a poor proxy for what asians truly lack, which is essentially good social skills, natural sensuality, and a good dose of sexual dimorphism. I can tell you this, these northern chinese men can get as tall as they want but white women aren't going to give them a second look unless said chinese men can back it up with social adeptness, proper hygeine and adequate sexual ability. I have ample exposure to white women, and women in general and I know what generally attracts them. Women basically want everything, good looks, good status, good social skills and good in bed (white women especially demand this). If you are focusing on only height and increased status then you are in for a rude awakening. If we truly seek to empower our race, I advise we take a more holistic approach.
    , @Twinkie

    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences.
     
    No. Razib Khan elaborated on this in depth when he was at Unz. East Asia has less genetic structure than the Indian subcontinent. In other words, China is less diverse genetically than India. Even more isolated East Asian population such as Korea has lower diversity still. Koreans are highly Siberian-descended with comparatively little "Austronesian" input.

    On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.
     
    In China - even Northern China - there is a significant height dispersion between rural and urban areas.

    In terms of national means, the tallest men in Asia are South Korean. They are about an inch shorter than American men on average.

    Although wealth plays a role, the real prominent factors seem to be genetics and diet. Protein consumption in China is up significantly so I would expect height to increase. But we don't know much about the genetic limit. If I were to speculate, I would think that Northern Chinese mean male height would approach or equal the South Korean average in short order if not there already.
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  175. @Bosch
    Sikhs tend to be big, broad dudes. There was something of a South Asian clique in my high school and, even un-turbaned, the Singhs were easily discernible from the narrower, more spindly Bengalis.

    That's the reason Sikhs don't really get bullied, despite the over-the-top headgear. They're also overrepresented in the American military, fwiw.

    The most famous Sikh issue has long been their opposition to mandatory helmet laws for motorcycle riders because it messes with their turbans. And they like motorcycles and don’t worry that much about them being donorcycles.

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  176. That first picture gives new meaning to the expression ” grab a tiger by the tail “. Yeah those 70′s type pants are nice – Wonder if her place is filled with macrame and straw covered wine bottles ?

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  177. @Clyde

    That’s why God created Bushwick, so these people have a place to live.
     
    Bushwick being the up and coming hipster neighborhood (NYC) now that prices have gotten too high in parts of Brooklyn previously "settled" by white hipsters. With Blacks and Hispanics exiting and hipsters entering.

    I remember my friends living in a dorm-like 6-man, 6-bedroom apartment and dealing with street crime when they moved to Bushwick circa 2007 because it was more affordable than a comparable place in Williamsburg. They were the vanguard of the SWPL army, I suppose.

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  178. @PSR
    Do these people inevitably have the ah-ha moment when they realize all their tilting at the windmills of human nature were wasted, the potentially most curious and valuable time of their lives spent studying self-reverential gibberish? I know those who get jobs paddling in the Stream of Gibberish have to act like they are true believers, at least until they retire, but don't the majority finally get it?

    In a word, no. Judging from my wife’s Facebook feed there is never a moment of an introspection, never a thought about the concordance between the ideology espoused on the signs at the protests and the real world or lack thereof, never a thought in their pretty little heads. Can you imagine carrying a sign at a women’s rights protest depicting a woman in an American flag hijab if you had an ounce of introspection?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You see, cognitive dissonance is something experienced much more by the Right than the Left. The liberal left seems to have abandoned the notion that they need to be consistent, just that they need to yell really loudly.

    This is why the alt-right found that the correct weapons were not logic but memes. Welcome to the mud, boys. Its the new low we all get to fight in.

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  179. @marty
    "... tall for a sub continental kinda guy. "

    My nextdoor neighbor in SF is a full-on subcontinental Indian, sing-song accent and all. He's 6'5" .

    My hunch is some Northern Indian groups might turn out after a few generations of ample nutrition to be Dutch / Balkan tall on average.

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    Why would it take more than one generation?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    In the Netherlands, 20 year-old 2nd/3rd generation South Asians (who are overwhelmingly of Northern Indian background) were about 5ft8.6 inches. However, they had a fairly wide standard deviation (2.76 inches). For 2nd generation Indians in the UK (1/4 of them are Sikh and the remainder are mostly northern), their height curve is very similar.

    One study found that the babies of UK-born South Asians (these babies are 3rd generation) are no heavier than the babies of foreign-born UK South Asians (these babies are 2nd generation). However, both groups of UK South Asian babies are much heavier than babies born in South Asia.

    South Asian-born babies: 2800 grams
    UK-born South Asian babies from non-UK born mothers: 3100 grams
    UK-born South Asian babies from UK-born mothers: 3100 grams
    UK-born white babies: 3400 grams

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2002/aug/15/medicineandhealth.publichealth

    So that tends to suggest that if there is a size gain, it probably happens all within one generation. Not within multiple generations.
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  180. @Svigor
    Tiger daughters had better watch their backs:

    A Northwestern University freshman who recently came out as transgender tried to join a sorority this month, yearning for deeper friendships on campus.

    The case is unusual because the student is a transgender man, born with a female body but identifying as male, and already beginning to make that transition. Eighteen-year-old Adam Davies said he was drawn to the tenets of Greek life — philanthropy, bonding and leadership — but that with his changing body he might not feel comfortable living in a fraternity.

    So he sought out the sisterhood of a sorority instead.
     
    It'd be great if a bunch of testosterone-laden go-getters in dresses took over SJWism from the cute coeds.

    He thinks even sororities accepting of transgender recruits identifying as women would balk at including anyone who identifies as a man.
     
    See? They're practically asking for it.

    The mirror image is happening at the Seven Sisters colleges where some lesbians have started juicing on testosterone and demanding to be called men, but not letting themselves to be kicked out for not being women. They’re starting to take over leadership positions:

    http://takimag.com/article/oppression_juicing_steve_sailer/print#axzz4Wcf9LAdl

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    I suppose this is an indication that the feminists who fought to exclude the "T" have lost the battle for feminism.

    If you're on the Board of one of the Seven Sisters you have to consider the implications of kicking out or excluding a woman who is LARPing as a male with hormones and cosmetic surgery (by, of course, taking her at her word that she's a he or even a they). Wouldn't you then get pressure to admit biological males who are playing these gender games?
    , @Expletive Deleted
    They want to watch that stuff, it could shrivel their balls.
    , @Jack D
    I think some of them perceive that juicing gives them a sexual advantage vs. other lesbians in the competition for coeds.

    This is the kind of "last days" stuff that occurs just before your decadent civilization completely collapses and is replaced by hard men sweeping in out of the desert, so it is really scary.
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  181. @Steve Sailer
    My hunch is some Northern Indian groups might turn out after a few generations of ample nutrition to be Dutch / Balkan tall on average.

    Why would it take more than one generation?

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  182. prosa123 says: • Website
    @whorefinder
    Many of the Indian guys think it's all about race, and then actually try, when picking up women, to look like a black guy---black guy clothing, keep hair short to hide it's straightness, darken up their complexion, etc. They figure they can't pass for white so they'll try black.

    But that just makes it worse, since blacks actually don't get laid by non-blacks all that much, the media just portrays that they do.

    Indian guys also fail when they try to buy women's affections via designer clothes and cars and the like.

    Again, a confident attitude and conforming to the culture work best. An Indian guy wearing western clothes (but not overtly flashy) and smiling and laid back with confidence will do fine. If East Asian guys can pick up white girls (and they do) despite having one of the worst stereotypes about them (i.e. small genitalia), then Indian guys can do the same.

    I’m mildly surprised that more Indian men don’t try their chances with upscale black women, the sort who often lament that scarcity of decent black men.

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    @prosa123 - Indian parents tell their kids , never bring home a black or a muslim - guaranteed to get outcasted - Google for Sparkle Rai
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  183. @peterike
    The Jews are going to ultimately regret letting in millions of Asians, of all types. Despite the Jewish male fetish for Chinese girls, they have allowed a huge competitive cohort into the country. More and more you see Chinese/Korean/Indian names popping up in prestige publications like The New Yorker, you see them in the SJW ranks, and of course they are filling up the important schools. And they have no loyalty to Jews or Jewish interests.

    My favorite here is Preet Bharara. Harvard, Columbia Law, his way paved by multi-cult fanatical Jews. Give that seat to an Indian, not some flyover white guy! And then he goes and starts investigating Jewish hedge fund managers. That's the thanks you get!

    And my favorite of all: "During his first year in office, Bharara charged 17 managers and employees of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims for defrauding Germany 42.5 million dollars by creating thousands of false benefit applications for people who have not suffered in the Holocaust. The fraud which has been going on for 16 years was related to the 400 million dollars which Germany pays out each year to Holocaust survivors."

    LOLZ!

    I remember an Indian building the opposition dossier against Hillary for Trump. I’ve worked for a right-wing organization and found specific steps which disrupt and dismantle leftish organizations, and am pleased to see Project Veritas utilize much of the same.

    Every now and then, we People of Color decide that there are worse evils to fight than being ovened by the Right. That won’t happen until later anyway.

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  184. @415 reasons
    In a word, no. Judging from my wife's Facebook feed there is never a moment of an introspection, never a thought about the concordance between the ideology espoused on the signs at the protests and the real world or lack thereof, never a thought in their pretty little heads. Can you imagine carrying a sign at a women's rights protest depicting a woman in an American flag hijab if you had an ounce of introspection?

    You see, cognitive dissonance is something experienced much more by the Right than the Left. The liberal left seems to have abandoned the notion that they need to be consistent, just that they need to yell really loudly.

    This is why the alt-right found that the correct weapons were not logic but memes. Welcome to the mud, boys. Its the new low we all get to fight in.

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  185. @Percy Gryce
    Matt Forney had some bad luck. I've had two Desi girlfriends and they were both great--for the short term: a super smart Tamil brahmin and a hot Bengali kshatriya. The Bengali is still the sexiest woman I have ever known. They both married endogamously.

    Were they hostile toward White identity?

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    Were they hostile toward White identity?
     
    No, at least not to my white identity, IYKWIMAITYD.

    But seriously this was in the mid-'90s and we were all very nonpolitical.

    Of course, the Tamil chick's parents had a shit-fit and quickly married her off, but that's a different issue.
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  186. Dunno. Nearly all the SJW types I see, particularly the leadership, are frankly, unpleasant to look at.

    Seriously, would anyone mistake Tim Wise (i.e. Uncle Tim) for an Alpha Male?

    I think you’re confusing some of the celebs (such as Ashley Judd) who batten onto the movement in order to further(?) their careers with the leading spokescreatures themselves.

    I’ll concede there are exceptions, but your Indian restaurant hostess isn’t that persuasive an example…

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    This reminds me of a post Steve Sailer wrote more than a decade ago and a point I have made on this blog:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/one-point-plan-for-racial-goodwill/

    Most Asian Tiger families don't live in the inner city near blacks, Hispanics, and other violent minorities. They live in the white suburbs. An Asian Tiger cub is far more likely to be bullied and abused by white kids than by black kids. The cub won't deal with the black thug who will beat the crap out of him or her for "giving a funny look." The cub will deal with a white punk who will spit on him. The cub also won't deal with apathetic black teachers who will say some fussy "Why don't you just shut up?" The cub will instead deal with apathetic white teachers who will protect the white bully by saying "Just ignore them..."
    The cub will constantly be stressed out because the parents will force the cub to work harder than the other children and participate in more extracurricular activities. The cub will have more restrictions against fighting back against the bullies because his/her parents will be far stricter. The cub will also probably have less opportunities to avoid the bullies because the parents will assign the cub constant nannies and day care.
    I believe that the childhood experiences of the leftist Jews who assisted in the Civil Rights movement were similar. You would think that Asians would have a great deal of hostilities to blacks with all the crime blacks have committed, but this article proves otherwise. Many of the new leftists and SJW may be Asians.
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  187. @Alec Leamas

    That’s because Indian/Paki men have a strong fetish for white females, but can’t get them. A lot of them are virgins into their late 20s and early 30s, until they get their arranged marriage from back home. If you were surrounded by hordes of attractive white women and couldn’t get laid, you’d be angry too.
     
    My sense is that the arranged marriages are often an indentured servitude scheme for Indian/Paki men with daughters. They get the boy over here on a fiance visa and he has to work tireless hours in the convenience store of gas station for little pay. He gets married to the boss's daughter and eventually gets his own convenience store or gas station with help (i.e., an undocumented usurious loan for franchise fees and down money on the acquisition loan) from father-in-law. At some point he is naturalized and he can pave the way for dear old mom and dad via the magic of chain migration. If he has daughters he can replicate the process.

    Often and increasingly the daughters don't want to go along with the scheme because they don't buy into the clan loyalty - having been exposed to modern American atomized/individualistic notions of ideal romantic love as the business solely of the individual.

    What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway - they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite.

    You just described my next door neighbors to a T, except they are from Bangladesh.

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    The preferred, My daughter in Bucks County, Pa. thought they were building a hotel nearby because the house was a McMansion on steroids and the owners are Indians.
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  188. “That’s some catch, that Catch-22″

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  189. jtgw says:
    @EdwardM
    Does this sort of characterize Russia? The people are not driven by ideology or principle, so society is paternalistic, fatalistic, and corrupt, with the peasants gladly following and genuinely admiring the Big Man of the day. Perhaps there is a departure in eastern Christianity from western Christian values of individual self-worth.

    Eastern Orthodox Christianity tends to put a heavier emphasis on both asceticism and hierarchy than even the Catholic West. That does translate into autocracy and fatalism, but I can’t see how it would encourage social climbing on the basis of looks or wealth.

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    It's not the Orthodox Christian influence, it's the Hollywood influence.

    Basement betas may call Russians "traditional"; but traditional went out the window with MTV.
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  190. @JohnnyWalker123

    of their boasting is to be believed.
     
    It isn't. They're lying. I used to live in an area full of IT/software guys. Even with their money and massive presence on online dating sites, they're nearly 100% incel. You never see them with women at any club or bar. I think a lot of them are waiting for arranged marriages from back home. I can say that Indian/Paki men are easily the least sexually desired men in America. Well below even Asians.

    You might occasionally see a non-Indian woman with an Indian/Paki guy, but only if the guy is affluent and spends big. Even then, it's hard. Even Indian women don't want Indian men.

    If you scroll up this topic (go to post 47), you'll see a video of an Indian pickup artist named "Shawn Valentino." He claims to have had hundreds of beautiful lovers and even wrote a book about it. When he was invited on tv and asked to interact with large group of women (in a dating show), he struck out hard. The guy was a total joke and seemed like he'd never had a romantic conversation with a woman at any point in his life. I think he's a good example of Indians - all talk, no show.

    Which is why I made that point about Indians/Pakis being shameless self-promoters and grifters. They're good at bullshitting, but you can't trust a word they say. Such people make excellent SJWs and politicians.

    In the IT industry, they're known for "overcomitting" to projects. Which means that they oversell and underdeliver. I'd trust their stories about sexual escapades about as much as I'd trust them in business. Which is to say - not at all.

    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.

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    What sort of reputation for trustworthiness do subcons have among the Chinese?
    , @MG
    I am not surprised. With Indians it is always about "What can I get out of you using whatever means I can" rather than "How can we strike a mutually beneficial deal." I say this as an Indian myself. The other thing about Indian techies in the US is that they are crashing bores.
    , @Seth Largo
    No, that's a gross over-statement. What business are you in? I'm good friends with a hotel architect and he has nothing but good things to say about (the majority of) the Indians who constitute a large percentage of hotel owners and builders.
    , @Njguy73
    I don't care what anyone says. This scene always cracks me up.

    Warning: NSFW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Mn2YHVg0s

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  191. @ussr andy
    dear sirs,
    i'm an electronics hobbyist and I know subcontinentals primarily from reading programming and EE forums.. one thing that is striking is that they're very sloppy writers.. even the smart ones.. & they come across as slow due to this habit of writeing multiple dots at the ends of sentences.. i was as of yet unable to find the reason why they do it..

    “this habit of writeing multiple dots at the ends of sentences.. ”
    Rules are for squares man…dig?…

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    Rules are for squares man…dig?…
     
    dear sir:
    the typographic phenomenon that I mean seems to be unique to Indians. btw, another is using the royal we.
    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.
    , @Dave Hopkins
    The "royal We" is the communal We in most of the Indian languages I'm familiar with (Hindi, Bengali, Tamil). It comes much more naturally than "I".
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  192. Tex says:
    @jtgw
    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they're hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they’re hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    I think we used to call that the American Way.

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  193. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.

    What sort of reputation for trustworthiness do subcons have among the Chinese?

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  194. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Ryan K
    What does SJW mean?? Shouldn't we define terms before using them heavily?

    Shouldn’t you read the site more than once before commenting?

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  195. MG says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.

    I am not surprised. With Indians it is always about “What can I get out of you using whatever means I can” rather than “How can we strike a mutually beneficial deal.” I say this as an Indian myself. The other thing about Indian techies in the US is that they are crashing bores.

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  196. That first picture gives new meaning to the saying ” Catch a tiger by the tail “. Yeah those 70′s pants are nice on her – Wonder if her place has macrame and straw covered wine bottles ?

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  197. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Ladini
    Identity Politics is indeed a Social "
    Cancer." It only multiplies through endless subdivision...until it finally kills it's Host.

    I don’t think identity politics or identity culture is necessarily a bad thing. Indeed, I see it as a good thing because it preserves a sense of heritage and culture. I don’t mind Italian-Americans remembering their own history of immigration and finding their place in America. Martin Scorsese’s interview movie with his parents is delightful.

    The thing is there is REAL identity and bogus identity. Being Italian-American or Polish-American or Jewish-American is a real identity based on history and lineage.

    Also, such identities are well-rounded. Italians remember their history of being oppressed but also remember their history of conquering and oppressing others. Poles know they were champions of Europe one time(and if they had played their cards right, they could have been the central power in Europe, esp as German peoples were so divided), and they know they were later victims. So, there is well-rounded-ness. They won some, they lost some, etc.

    But current PC politics is all about victimhood and only victimhood.

    [MORE]

    So, certain groups — esp blacks, Jews, and homos — get to pose ONLY as holy victims, and this fills them with smug self-righteousness. Never mind their history of violence and oppression. And it gets funny and surreal with Muslims. When Muslims are OVER THERE, they can be killed or starved to death(by sanctions) by the bushel. But OVER HERE, they are suddenly the innocent darlings victimized by evil Trump. It’s cartoon morality attached to identity.

    And then, there are imagined identities…. like some Aztec brownie being infected with LGBT nuttery and calling himself ‘they’… and some people actually taking this nonsense seriously.
    Now, some identities are partly real. I think lots of trannies are sort of biochemically funny. But a man in a woman’s dress is hardly a meaningful core identity. I mean does Bruce Jenner really want to define himself as boob-job man who wee-weed at the Trump Tower?

    Worse, there is the media, academia, and government. If we could just let nutty people do their own thing in their own space, no big deal. Japan long had a kind of pan-sexual and transsexual culture, esp around Kabuki and such stuff. But it remained in its place. In contrast, the powers that be are ‘normalizing’ and ‘sacralizing’ this nuttery for mainstream consumption from kindergarten up.

    It’s so puerile. Maybe the Pilgrims were too puritan, but now US is utterly puerile. We have pueritans. Just look at the Pussy Galore in DC. All these women going ‘pussy pussy pussy pussy’, but then saying ‘don’t hunt my cunt’, “don’t snatch my snatch.”

    New feminism has come down to: “Looksies but no feelsies”. Whoritans.

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  198. DukeofQin says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I've always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian, especially if the UK is to be believed. In all frankness, I think that your average Chinese is much more "alien" than they are. While I knew of some Indian customs from coworkers, it never seemed to be as encompassing as a life guide as thoughts about Confucianism, etc, were and they don't seem to have the same type of clannishness or internal obsession with stability.

    The number of times someone Chinese has said to me about "We're Chinese, so we do things this way..." is beyond count, so we clearly have strong internal stereotypes. There's a clear sense of "We work harder, we aren't as politically correct, we still have our own language and life is hard on us, so we will struggle more," and heaven knows how often I was shamed for not saving enough.

    Indians seem to fit in better, they have fragmented their cliques already along caste lines, so they reassociate in new society with much more ease. As an example, I've known of far more Indian vice presidents and executives in my American companies than East Asian vice presidents(none!) - but I don't know of any Indians that invite each other to dinner just because of a shared race, while when I was in the US, I was pretty much cordial both on and off work with a number of other Chinese.

    The result of that is that we always seem to have jobs and always can help each other, but we never seem to hit the highest levels. We just keep to a upper middle level, but for everyone does much better than average.

    The Indian march through the boardrooms of Western corporations is due three factors.

    1) Near native command of English, something very rare among Chinese even Singaporeans whose English is the best of the lot yet still mediocre.

    2) A more extroverted attitude. E.g. I deserve this promotion, screw that other guy.

    3) Wholesale ethnic nepotism. A Chinese will tipoff another Chinese to a position that isn’t being publically advertised, but generally aren’t in positions to make hiring decisions. An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.

    It’s a winning strategy for individual Indians, however it isn’t for their society as a whole because the Indian cultural stratagem as whole is tends to cannibalize itself. They suffer under delusion that because they speak English, they are as competent as the English. This simply isn’t true. Basically the way their society is organized, the ratio of “fake it till you make it” bullshitters to actual competent individuals is low. This doesn’t matter as long as they are not in India because there are more people to take advantage of, but when most other people around you are operating using the same parasitic firmware, it tends to collapse into a giant pile of mediocrity. Hence all the Indian MBA’s in Western business C-suites, yet zero Indian companies that are actually capable of competing with global companies in their own fields.

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    I agree with the first three points. Indians beat Asians in corporate politics due to higher extraversion, superior verbal fluency, and very aggressive ethnic networking.

    I'm less sure about the last point. There are lots of globally competitive Indian software companies, but they're mostly involved in outsourcing. They don't produce much of real value. So I don't know.
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  199. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    This is a good point.

    There is also a lot of backwash into state and local politics. Here in NYC, there were more than a few Prog pols and staffers picking out drapes in DC. Now they have to compete with the president-eject's people for jobs, who are coming home unemployed with the big O on their CVs.

    I read that 90% of the hotel reservations made in advance for the recent inauguration were cancelled on a certain Wednesday in November.

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  200. @BenKenobi
    Elves can't be Paladins!!!!!

    I agree with the rest of your post, however.

    Knights: An elf can also become a knight in the service of a monarch. The elf can do so upon swearing fealty, with no alteration to the basic elven character class. Elven knights prefer elven monarchs, but otherwise may swear fealty to a human monarch, although the latter is rare.

    From optional rules by Bruce Heard, published in Dragon magazine (http://annarchive.com/files/Drmg178.pdf)

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    Seems like an awful lot of pretzel logic to allow Elves to be Knights.

    'course I was talkin' Paladins, bro.
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  201. ” Catch ” not “Grab ” . Man , Trump is seriously in my head LOL

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  202. Gene Su says:
    @celt darnell
    Dunno. Nearly all the SJW types I see, particularly the leadership, are frankly, unpleasant to look at.

    Seriously, would anyone mistake Tim Wise (i.e. Uncle Tim) for an Alpha Male?

    I think you're confusing some of the celebs (such as Ashley Judd) who batten onto the movement in order to further(?) their careers with the leading spokescreatures themselves.

    I'll concede there are exceptions, but your Indian restaurant hostess isn't that persuasive an example...

    This reminds me of a post Steve Sailer wrote more than a decade ago and a point I have made on this blog:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/one-point-plan-for-racial-goodwill/

    Most Asian Tiger families don’t live in the inner city near blacks, Hispanics, and other violent minorities. They live in the white suburbs. An Asian Tiger cub is far more likely to be bullied and abused by white kids than by black kids. The cub won’t deal with the black thug who will beat the crap out of him or her for “giving a funny look.” The cub will deal with a white punk who will spit on him. The cub also won’t deal with apathetic black teachers who will say some fussy “Why don’t you just shut up?” The cub will instead deal with apathetic white teachers who will protect the white bully by saying “Just ignore them…”
    The cub will constantly be stressed out because the parents will force the cub to work harder than the other children and participate in more extracurricular activities. The cub will have more restrictions against fighting back against the bullies because his/her parents will be far stricter. The cub will also probably have less opportunities to avoid the bullies because the parents will assign the cub constant nannies and day care.
    I believe that the childhood experiences of the leftist Jews who assisted in the Civil Rights movement were similar. You would think that Asians would have a great deal of hostilities to blacks with all the crime blacks have committed, but this article proves otherwise. Many of the new leftists and SJW may be Asians.

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    Well, it will certainly mean a more intelligent class of SJW...
    , @Jack D
    I don't think is true, both in the case of Asians and earlier of Jews. 1st generation Asians (and before that Jews) often own small businesses (liquor stores, Chinese restaurants, dry cleaners, etc.) in ghetto areas and are often the ones on the receiving end of black criminality.
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  203. An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.

    Are they not worried about their hires not making a good impression, though?

    I got a very good job from a fellow ethnic Chinese who plugged me in, but he basically stalked the hell out of me, and essentially told me that I couldn’t even fail the interview because otherwise it would be his reputation at stake. Whether we admit it or not, there’s mianzi involved.

    And yes, I’ve noticed the distinct lack of Indian coordination. In Huawei, not too long ago, there was this entire conversation of how our leadership was working each other for death “for country and race” and they shamed a man who wanted to leave because he said that he had heart disease and didn’t see his wife enough. Apparently the response from the board is “we’re all dying so that our country might be great, so what.”

    Never hear that attitude from India at all.

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    Chinese nationalism has done a lot for China, in terms of, say, improved sewer systems. (I may sound facetious, but I'm not: the people who upgrade a country's sewers are heroes.)

    The current Indian government is trying to promote Indian nationalism -- e.g., playing the national anthem before movies the way Americans play our national anthem before sports events. Hopefully this attitude will lead to better sewers in India.

    , @Bleuteaux
    The difference is the Indians, in my experience, hire other Indians due to enormous inferiority complexes, not due to some supposed superiority of their fellow race.
    , @DukeofQin
    No. They aren't.

    Without having experienced it first hand, many individuals can't believe just how shameless and sociopathic some individuals and organizations are. Google up Nisha Padmanabhan and realize that she is now working in Silicon Valley. Ethnic nepotism functions akin government bureaucracy, no matter how incompetent their fellow employees are, they protect their own, because their social power depends on their asabiyah.

    It's not so much lack of coordination that is the problem I see with Indian society, but rather that they have too many free riders. I have known several extremely competent Indians, but they were sadly outnumbered by some real useless turds whose primary aptitude was in lying. The key to convincingly deceive others is to first deceive the self, and their delusions of "adequacy" while beneficial to their individual selves was extremely destructive to the organization as a whole. Empty suits exist everywhere, but when they are maybe 50% of your work force as opposed to 10%, very little actually gets accomplished.
    , @Jack D
    Doesn't the concept of guanxi come into play also? The fellow who helped you, don't you now have a guanxi indebtedness to him, so that someday when his son needs a job and you are in position to give him one, you now owe him a favor in return?

    I find that Chinese are often helpful to others who are not their immediate family (which is certainly better than being not helpful as in other cultures) but that there is something of an ulterior motive - they regard doing favors as "money in the bank" (the Chinese are famous savers - they are willing to delay immediate gratification in the hope of future greater gratification). It's like the Godfather who helps the undertaker out on his daughter's wedding day but it's done with the implicit understanding later the undertaker has to help the Godfather when he asks him to - maybe put an extra corpse in a casket someday.
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  204. @Opinionator
    Were they hostile toward White identity?

    Were they hostile toward White identity?

    No, at least not to my white identity, IYKWIMAITYD.

    But seriously this was in the mid-’90s and we were all very nonpolitical.

    Of course, the Tamil chick’s parents had a shit-fit and quickly married her off, but that’s a different issue.

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  205. @Daniel Chieh

    An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.
     
    Are they not worried about their hires not making a good impression, though?

    I got a very good job from a fellow ethnic Chinese who plugged me in, but he basically stalked the hell out of me, and essentially told me that I couldn't even fail the interview because otherwise it would be his reputation at stake. Whether we admit it or not, there's mianzi involved.

    And yes, I've noticed the distinct lack of Indian coordination. In Huawei, not too long ago, there was this entire conversation of how our leadership was working each other for death "for country and race" and they shamed a man who wanted to leave because he said that he had heart disease and didn't see his wife enough. Apparently the response from the board is "we're all dying so that our country might be great, so what."

    Never hear that attitude from India at all.

    Chinese nationalism has done a lot for China, in terms of, say, improved sewer systems. (I may sound facetious, but I’m not: the people who upgrade a country’s sewers are heroes.)

    The current Indian government is trying to promote Indian nationalism — e.g., playing the national anthem before movies the way Americans play our national anthem before sports events. Hopefully this attitude will lead to better sewers in India.

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    India currently leads the world in outdoor defecation, which is a serious health issue in that it pollutes the water supply.

    But another approach in poor, fertile areas is composting toilets. The FT highlighted a charity several years ago that promoted these in Bangladesh. The tech is pretty simple: a barrel under a toilet seat, with a barrel of soil and one of wood ash nearby. After defecating, you toss a scoop of soil and one of ash over it. When the barrel fills up, you seal it, and store it for 6 months. After that, you've got rich, fertilized soil to grow vegetables in.

    The challenge for the charity was educating locals.
    , @Opinionator
    The Chinese sewer system is nothing to write home about. Flooding still common, from what I have read.
    , @Bob who has smelled the open sewers of Wuhu
    In 09 & 10 I got to spend quite a bit of time in China. When I describe Wuhu to friends the phrase I used was Down River with open sewers.

    http://michiganradio.org/post/what-it-means-be-downriver

    You can see the open sewers of Wuhu on google maps here. Perhaps only intended as storm drains, but the smell said sewer to me.

    http://www.google.com/maps/place/31%C2%B025'18.9%22N+118%C2%B022'10.1%22E/@31.42193,118.3672783,788m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d31.42193!4d118.369467?hl=en

    http://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/47170370
    , @Jack D

    in terms of, say, improved sewer systems.
     
    Maybe Chinese sewers are improved from the past (no more cholera epidemics) but they don't quite meet Western standards. One of my strongest memories from Beijing (because smell memories are very deep) is that of a slight but persistent odor of sewage in many places. I think it has something to do with the way the sewer system is vented so that a little bit of the sewer gas escapes into the street - just enough that you can smell it. I don't think it's really dangerous but it is unpleasant.
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  206. @jill
    "How We Live Now"?

    Why are you referring to me? I am WE.

    jill, Good, you can be WE and I’ll be YOU, if that’s ok with THEM.

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  207. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.

    No, that’s a gross over-statement. What business are you in? I’m good friends with a hotel architect and he has nothing but good things to say about (the majority of) the Indians who constitute a large percentage of hotel owners and builders.

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  208. Ed says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    of their boasting is to be believed.
     
    It isn't. They're lying. I used to live in an area full of IT/software guys. Even with their money and massive presence on online dating sites, they're nearly 100% incel. You never see them with women at any club or bar. I think a lot of them are waiting for arranged marriages from back home. I can say that Indian/Paki men are easily the least sexually desired men in America. Well below even Asians.

    You might occasionally see a non-Indian woman with an Indian/Paki guy, but only if the guy is affluent and spends big. Even then, it's hard. Even Indian women don't want Indian men.

    If you scroll up this topic (go to post 47), you'll see a video of an Indian pickup artist named "Shawn Valentino." He claims to have had hundreds of beautiful lovers and even wrote a book about it. When he was invited on tv and asked to interact with large group of women (in a dating show), he struck out hard. The guy was a total joke and seemed like he'd never had a romantic conversation with a woman at any point in his life. I think he's a good example of Indians - all talk, no show.

    Which is why I made that point about Indians/Pakis being shameless self-promoters and grifters. They're good at bullshitting, but you can't trust a word they say. Such people make excellent SJWs and politicians.

    In the IT industry, they're known for "overcomitting" to projects. Which means that they oversell and underdeliver. I'd trust their stories about sexual escapades about as much as I'd trust them in business. Which is to say - not at all.

    Maybe there’s a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians. All I know is that many of my Indian b-school classmates were gregarious & a blast to hang out with & I saw a few of them pull white girls with own eyes. One is married to a white woman.

    Now the IT consultant guys at my work do come across as more of the stereotypical wallflower types.

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    Maybe there’s a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians.
     
    Having worked in banking and finance, I tend to agree. There is a very considerable class and social divide, I think. Kind of like the nerd/jock divide, but related to social class, too. I knew the Indian bankers better, and many, if not most, were prep-school or boarding school educated in India.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The vast majority of middle&upper class Indians go into IT. Finance is a rareified field, which (as Piltdown Man suggested) may drawn from India's prep school elites. The IT guys are far more representative of the population.

    I'm curious what university you attended. At my university's B-School, there were a fair number of Indians. They were outgoing and gregarious too (as you mentioned), but way too awkward and unattractive to pull much of anything. Lots of them had arranged marriages planned. The accent is a huge deal killer when dating. A lot of them emit a weird curry smell too.

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  209. E e says:
    @Njguy73
    Put the 1994 comedy "PCU" on your Netflix queue. You'll thank me later.

    I went with a friend to see PCU in the theater when it first came out. My friend was something of an SJW before it was A Thing. She was also two years older and had a car, so when she was angry and decided to storm out, I had no choice but to go along. I still need to see the rest of that movie…

    (Note: I’m a cis-heterosexual female, or whatever the cool kids call it these days, since it might sound like I’m describing a date.)

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    You must watch the rest.
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  210. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Matt Forney (a contributor to the site run by Turkish-American pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh) had an interesting article about Indian/Paki women.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls



    If you live in the west, dating an Indian girl is one of the worst decisions you can make. Indians combine the worst of their native culture and the worst of American culture in one disgusting, rancid stew. Here’s why you should never date—or even pump and dump—an Indian girl.

     


    1. They’re unattractive
    Forget about Aishwaryi Rai and every other smoking hot Bollywood actress you’ve ever seen: the average Indian girl has a Coke can physique and bad genes. While not as disgustingly obese as the average American, even fit Desi girls are packing more poundage than any girl should be legally allowed to have. Even if she’s in shape, expect her to balloon up like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man the minute she gets a ring on it. Have you ever seen a skinny Indian woman over the age of 35? Thought not.
    Not only that, even decent-looking Indian girls have unappealing bodies. Desis may have big butts, but their asses and breasts are always squishy and soft, like a bowl of Jell-O. Additionally, every single Indian girl I’ve ever known had too much body hair. Combine that with their obesity-prone genetics and you might as well be sleeping with a fat guy.
     

    2. They’re prudes
    When I say Indian girls are prudish, I don’t mean they’re hard to get in the sack: God no. I mean they have all sorts of bizarre sexual hangups that make banging them about as fun as thrusting your dick into a vacuum cleaner. Indian girls have sexually conservative attitudes thanks to their parents, and navigating their sea of rationalizations is a prerequisite for getting your rocks off.
    The first Indian girl I ever banged, in college, was an “everything-but” virgin, in that she did everything but normal, vaginal intercourse: blowjobs, anal, the whole nine yards. She actually believed that this excused all the slutting around she did. Another Desi I met not long after refused to go down on me, saying it was “gross”… even as she bragged about how much she loved it when guys went down on her. These selfish attitudes are reinforced by the spoiled, daddy’s little girl mentalities that Indian girls have.

     


    3. They’re self-loathing
    Membdiscussions by whining about how they can’t get white girls because of their brown skin. Indian girls possess the same exact inferiority complex. Every Indian girl I’ve ever known secretly loathed her ethnic heritage, wanted to be white, and fetishized white men to a degree that was downright creepy.
    What separates Indian girls from other Asian girls, who wear their lust for white men on their sleeves, is their obsession with their native culture. Indian girls raised in the U.S. will never shut up about the glories of India, a nation where poor people shit on the streets and the government has to force people to use toilets. Meanwhile, these same loud-and-proud Indian girls date white men and complain about Indian men being “misogynistic” and “controllingers of the Roosh V Forum are well aware of Indian Race Trolls, self-loathing Indian men who hijack .”
     

    4. They’re feminists
    For some reason, Indian girls in the U.S. are unusually susceptible to feminist and social justice warrior brain rot. Despite their wealthy, cushy upbringings, Indian girls almost always become ardent feminists, swallowing the cultural Marxist program whole. SJWs like Beejoli Shah, who invent stories about being raped, are representative of the average Indian girl and the noxious ideological soup she bathes in.
    Indian girls justify their misandry by claiming that Indian culture is “sexist” and “patriarchal,” but this couldn’t be further from the truth. Indian families are matriarchal, with mothers dominating their husbands and children. In particular, Indian mothers control their sons with guilt trips and shame, which is why so many of them become sackless weaklings and Indian Race Trolls. Indian girls growing up in America are some of the most privileged people on Earth.

     



    5. They’re mentally ill
    This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but Indian girls are almost always off their rockers. When you combine SJW ideology, racial self-loathing, and bizarre attitudes towards sex, you end up with a psycho. Dating an Indian girl will be a constant roller coaster of fights, drama and frustration, with your only reward being getting to nail a hirsute chick with a pudding pop ass.
    The absolute worst types of Indian girls are the ones adopted by white couples, fairly common in upper-middle class America. The most insane girl I ever banged was an Indian with white parents: she was a borderline who tried to provoke me into hitting her because she felt I was “neglecting” her. While she didn’t mindfuck me in the way that BPD girls usually do to their men, the abusive relationship screwed me up for months after it ended.
    The only justifiable reason to pursue a Desi girl is because you want to get your Indian flag. But hanging around them longer than it takes to bust on their faces will end in tragedy for you. When it comes to girls, any ethnicity or race is a better bet than Indians.
     

    (2) is not strange; it is the standard Bill Clinton “I did not have sex with that woman” defense.

    Many Christians, especially evangelicals, believe in this (and act similarly). They wear a “Purity ring” or “The Silver Ring Thing”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ring

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Ring_Thing

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  211. @Clyde
    Amazing how this freak of nature always manages to land on her feet. Lib networking is powerful but usually involves sucking off government funding (ripping off the taxpayer) in some way shape or form. The .edu racket for example.

    Clyde, I think your line “sucking off” may explain her suckcess

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  212. ussr andy says:
    @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "this habit of writeing multiple dots at the ends of sentences.. "
    Rules are for squares man...dig?...

    Rules are for squares man…dig?…

    dear sir:
    the typographic phenomenon that I mean seems to be unique to Indians. btw, another is using the royal we.
    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.

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    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.
     
    will do the needful
    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise."
    Ellipses (...) are a touchy subject with the rebels on here. Best not say any more.
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  213. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Chinese nationalism has done a lot for China, in terms of, say, improved sewer systems. (I may sound facetious, but I'm not: the people who upgrade a country's sewers are heroes.)

    The current Indian government is trying to promote Indian nationalism -- e.g., playing the national anthem before movies the way Americans play our national anthem before sports events. Hopefully this attitude will lead to better sewers in India.

    India currently leads the world in outdoor defecation, which is a serious health issue in that it pollutes the water supply.

    But another approach in poor, fertile areas is composting toilets. The FT highlighted a charity several years ago that promoted these in Bangladesh. The tech is pretty simple: a barrel under a toilet seat, with a barrel of soil and one of wood ash nearby. After defecating, you toss a scoop of soil and one of ash over it. When the barrel fills up, you seal it, and store it for 6 months. After that, you’ve got rich, fertilized soil to grow vegetables in.

    The challenge for the charity was educating locals.

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    The tech is pretty simple: a barrel under a toilet seat, with a barrel of soil and one of wood ash nearby. After defecating, you toss a scoop of soil and one of ash over it.
     
    Mahatma Gandhi tried to educate Indians to do this, starting more than a century ago, and labored mightily for decades. He failed.
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  214. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    You just described my next door neighbors to a T, except they are from Bangladesh.

    The preferred, My daughter in Bucks County, Pa. thought they were building a hotel nearby because the house was a McMansion on steroids and the owners are Indians.

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  215. @Steve Sailer
    Chinese nationalism has done a lot for China, in terms of, say, improved sewer systems. (I may sound facetious, but I'm not: the people who upgrade a country's sewers are heroes.)

    The current Indian government is trying to promote Indian nationalism -- e.g., playing the national anthem before movies the way Americans play our national anthem before sports events. Hopefully this attitude will lead to better sewers in India.

    The Chinese sewer system is nothing to write home about. Flooding still common, from what I have read.

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    Well, as an Indian newspaper editoral said - the difference is that for better or worse, the Chinese slums actually have running water and electricity. The average "Chinese slum" is magnitudes better than the Indian equivalent. As for the specific issues, inadequate drainage for flooding still does happen in outlying cities but its been improved with every incident, and the most major problems such as backflow of sewage(eww) were finished in 2010 or so. I knew some of the people involved in that. Remarkably educated people with a lack of any sense of smell.

    The writer questioned why they couldn't do that, and got roundly attacked by his or her readers for being "anti-democracy."

    It was all very logical, I guess.

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  216. Bleuteaux says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.
     
    Are they not worried about their hires not making a good impression, though?

    I got a very good job from a fellow ethnic Chinese who plugged me in, but he basically stalked the hell out of me, and essentially told me that I couldn't even fail the interview because otherwise it would be his reputation at stake. Whether we admit it or not, there's mianzi involved.

    And yes, I've noticed the distinct lack of Indian coordination. In Huawei, not too long ago, there was this entire conversation of how our leadership was working each other for death "for country and race" and they shamed a man who wanted to leave because he said that he had heart disease and didn't see his wife enough. Apparently the response from the board is "we're all dying so that our country might be great, so what."

    Never hear that attitude from India at all.

    The difference is the Indians, in my experience, hire other Indians due to enormous inferiority complexes, not due to some supposed superiority of their fellow race.

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  217. DukeofQin says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.
     
    Are they not worried about their hires not making a good impression, though?

    I got a very good job from a fellow ethnic Chinese who plugged me in, but he basically stalked the hell out of me, and essentially told me that I couldn't even fail the interview because otherwise it would be his reputation at stake. Whether we admit it or not, there's mianzi involved.

    And yes, I've noticed the distinct lack of Indian coordination. In Huawei, not too long ago, there was this entire conversation of how our leadership was working each other for death "for country and race" and they shamed a man who wanted to leave because he said that he had heart disease and didn't see his wife enough. Apparently the response from the board is "we're all dying so that our country might be great, so what."

    Never hear that attitude from India at all.

    No. They aren’t.

    Without having experienced it first hand, many individuals can’t believe just how shameless and sociopathic some individuals and organizations are. Google up Nisha Padmanabhan and realize that she is now working in Silicon Valley. Ethnic nepotism functions akin government bureaucracy, no matter how incompetent their fellow employees are, they protect their own, because their social power depends on their asabiyah.

    It’s not so much lack of coordination that is the problem I see with Indian society, but rather that they have too many free riders. I have known several extremely competent Indians, but they were sadly outnumbered by some real useless turds whose primary aptitude was in lying. The key to convincingly deceive others is to first deceive the self, and their delusions of “adequacy” while beneficial to their individual selves was extremely destructive to the organization as a whole. Empty suits exist everywhere, but when they are maybe 50% of your work force as opposed to 10%, very little actually gets accomplished.

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  218. @ussr andy

    Rules are for squares man…dig?…
     
    dear sir:
    the typographic phenomenon that I mean seems to be unique to Indians. btw, another is using the royal we.
    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.

    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.

    will do the needful

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    Please intimate us and revert back.
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  219. @Opinionator
    The Chinese sewer system is nothing to write home about. Flooding still common, from what I have read.

    Well, as an Indian newspaper editoral said – the difference is that for better or worse, the Chinese slums actually have running water and electricity. The average “Chinese slum” is magnitudes better than the Indian equivalent. As for the specific issues, inadequate drainage for flooding still does happen in outlying cities but its been improved with every incident, and the most major problems such as backflow of sewage(eww) were finished in 2010 or so. I knew some of the people involved in that. Remarkably educated people with a lack of any sense of smell.

    The writer questioned why they couldn’t do that, and got roundly attacked by his or her readers for being “anti-democracy.”

    It was all very logical, I guess.

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    Thanks for the update.
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  220. rec1man says:
    @prosa123
    I'm mildly surprised that more Indian men don't try their chances with upscale black women, the sort who often lament that scarcity of decent black men.

    – Indian parents tell their kids , never bring home a black or a muslim – guaranteed to get outcasted – Google for Sparkle Rai

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    Also, Indian/Pak guys have small sausages. Black women are used to the much larger sizes of black men.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm
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  221. @Autochthon

    She’s a slender part(?)-East Asian with dyed blonde-grey hair and Joan Crawford-sized socially constructed eyebrows.
     
    Epic. I'm appropriating "socially constructed eyebrows" for future use. The check is in the mail.

    Epic. I’m appropriating “socially constructed eyebrows” for future use.

    Couldn’t agree more. Steve is getting funnier as he gets older.

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  222. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, as an Indian newspaper editoral said - the difference is that for better or worse, the Chinese slums actually have running water and electricity. The average "Chinese slum" is magnitudes better than the Indian equivalent. As for the specific issues, inadequate drainage for flooding still does happen in outlying cities but its been improved with every incident, and the most major problems such as backflow of sewage(eww) were finished in 2010 or so. I knew some of the people involved in that. Remarkably educated people with a lack of any sense of smell.

    The writer questioned why they couldn't do that, and got roundly attacked by his or her readers for being "anti-democracy."

    It was all very logical, I guess.

    Thanks for the update.

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  223. Njguy73 says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The most untrustworthy business dealings I ever had were with Indians.

    I don’t care what anyone says. This scene always cracks me up.

    Warning: NSFW

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  224. rec1man says:

    https://pix.sfly.com/G26W53 = my son

    https://pix.sfly.com/TY31T_ = my wife

    We are vegetarian Tamil Brahmins ( South Indian Brahmin )

    Most of the Sikhs are from the Jat Caste
    There are millions of Hindu Jats too, mostly vegetarian, and they have won Olympic medals in Boxing and Wrestling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushil_Kumar_(wrestler) = bronze medal in wrestling in 2008 Olympics – Jat Hindu, Vegetarian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakshi_Malik = bronze medal in female wrestling in 2016
    Olympics – Jat Hindu, Vegetarian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogeshwar_Dutt = bronze medal in wrestling in 2012 Olympics

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  225. Njguy73 says:
    @E e
    I went with a friend to see PCU in the theater when it first came out. My friend was something of an SJW before it was A Thing. She was also two years older and had a car, so when she was angry and decided to storm out, I had no choice but to go along. I still need to see the rest of that movie...

    (Note: I'm a cis-heterosexual female, or whatever the cool kids call it these days, since it might sound like I'm describing a date.)

    You must watch the rest.

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  226. @Steve Sailer
    Chinese nationalism has done a lot for China, in terms of, say, improved sewer systems. (I may sound facetious, but I'm not: the people who upgrade a country's sewers are heroes.)

    The current Indian government is trying to promote Indian nationalism -- e.g., playing the national anthem before movies the way Americans play our national anthem before sports events. Hopefully this attitude will lead to better sewers in India.

    In 09 & 10 I got to spend quite a bit of time in China. When I describe Wuhu to friends the phrase I used was Down River with open sewers.

    http://michiganradio.org/post/what-it-means-be-downriver

    You can see the open sewers of Wuhu on google maps here. Perhaps only intended as storm drains, but the smell said sewer to me.

    http://www.google.com/maps/place/31%C2%B025’18.9%22N+118%C2%B022’10.1%22E/@31.42193,118.3672783,788m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0×0!8m2!3d31.42193!4d118.369467?hl=en

    http://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/47170370

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  227. @Daniel Chieh

    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.
     
    will do the needful

    Please intimate us and revert back.

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    I have heard these terms ("do the needful", "revert back") used in Singapore as well, suggesting they hail from colonial English times.
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  228. Not Raul says:
    @jtgw
    Eastern Orthodox Christianity tends to put a heavier emphasis on both asceticism and hierarchy than even the Catholic West. That does translate into autocracy and fatalism, but I can't see how it would encourage social climbing on the basis of looks or wealth.

    It’s not the Orthodox Christian influence, it’s the Hollywood influence.

    Basement betas may call Russians “traditional”; but traditional went out the window with MTV.

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  229. BB753 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The boyfriend's last names is "Barnes."

    Does that sound Indian?

    He's likely a white guy, but with some non-white ancestry (perhaps Mexican).

    Anglo-Indians do have English surnames.

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    He's from a rural town in Placer county. I really doubt an Anglo-Indian migrant would head there.
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  230. @peterike
    The Jews are going to ultimately regret letting in millions of Asians, of all types. Despite the Jewish male fetish for Chinese girls, they have allowed a huge competitive cohort into the country. More and more you see Chinese/Korean/Indian names popping up in prestige publications like The New Yorker, you see them in the SJW ranks, and of course they are filling up the important schools. And they have no loyalty to Jews or Jewish interests.

    My favorite here is Preet Bharara. Harvard, Columbia Law, his way paved by multi-cult fanatical Jews. Give that seat to an Indian, not some flyover white guy! And then he goes and starts investigating Jewish hedge fund managers. That's the thanks you get!

    And my favorite of all: "During his first year in office, Bharara charged 17 managers and employees of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims for defrauding Germany 42.5 million dollars by creating thousands of false benefit applications for people who have not suffered in the Holocaust. The fraud which has been going on for 16 years was related to the 400 million dollars which Germany pays out each year to Holocaust survivors."

    LOLZ!

    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He’d make a great AG once Sessions retires.

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    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He’d make a great AG once Sessions retires.
     
    I agree. I think he was probably Trump's pick as well-- even though he's a Democrat-- because Trump likes competence. But obviously when Sessions told Trump he'd like the AG position, Trump had to give it to him for being so loyal from the beginning.
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  231. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @peterike
    The Jews are going to ultimately regret letting in millions of Asians, of all types. Despite the Jewish male fetish for Chinese girls, they have allowed a huge competitive cohort into the country. More and more you see Chinese/Korean/Indian names popping up in prestige publications like The New Yorker, you see them in the SJW ranks, and of course they are filling up the important schools. And they have no loyalty to Jews or Jewish interests.

    My favorite here is Preet Bharara. Harvard, Columbia Law, his way paved by multi-cult fanatical Jews. Give that seat to an Indian, not some flyover white guy! And then he goes and starts investigating Jewish hedge fund managers. That's the thanks you get!

    And my favorite of all: "During his first year in office, Bharara charged 17 managers and employees of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims for defrauding Germany 42.5 million dollars by creating thousands of false benefit applications for people who have not suffered in the Holocaust. The fraud which has been going on for 16 years was related to the 400 million dollars which Germany pays out each year to Holocaust survivors."

    LOLZ!

    Preet Bharara is an absolute gem. He has prosecuted criminals of every kind, race, ethnicity, religion etc., If we can get 100 Bhararas as U.S. attorneys, the country will look very different; but we have to build very large prisons. He is one guy that richly deserved a medal compared to all the useless ball throwers/hitters and lowlifes like Oprah that Obama gave medals to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preet_Bharara

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  232. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He'd make a great AG once Sessions retires.

    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He’d make a great AG once Sessions retires.

    I agree. I think he was probably Trump’s pick as well– even though he’s a Democrat– because Trump likes competence. But obviously when Sessions told Trump he’d like the AG position, Trump had to give it to him for being so loyal from the beginning.

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    When Bharara spoke with the press in the Trump Tower lobby after his meeting, he looked disappointed.
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  233. @Jim Christian
    Slate, New Republic and Atlantic? One of the worst pajama-boy SJW writers is quite "mainstream" at the Washington Post, Dana Milbank. He's in his thirties and freely admits he lives, that's right, in Mom's basement. His screed are infantile, complaining and perhaps reflect his own situation. Still, there he is for years now, sniffing up the a-hole of everyone and every situation that pisses him off, except with the compassion of a nod to SJW rhetoric toward this group or that, his virtue-signaling the real goal.

    The thing with SJW is the virtue-signaling, that is, "I'm good and compassionate and SJW". These folks, and Dana Milbank is one of them, are so bent they could be kidnapped by 6 Blacks, tied up, slapped around, robbed, sexually assaulted where the sun don't shine and left nekkid on the steps of the Washington Post, all fully documented on Skype, Facebook and Twitter. Given a robe, Dana Milbank would crawl to his desk and type out a screed about how it was all his fault, or Trump's fault, anyone's fault but the perpetrators because telling the TRUTH of the matter would instantly wipe out his SJW street cred.

    And so with that, where are we to find the truth? And what the hell are we thinking loaning money for this kind of "education"? What happened to the notion of "college material", as the average Liberal Arts pursuit and student are NOT. "You just aren't college material" a common refrain forty years back. And so the men go get a trade or bail to the military and the women go find a job and a husband, likely said tradesman that also not college material, but still perfectly worthy.

    When we force colleges to co-sign college loans, the worthless SJW degrees will instantly vanish because no one in those courses and programs could get a job to pay back their loans and the colleges sure wouldn't want to pay the loan. College for those who are college material, real college for real intellects. When we got to the point that everyone was deemed college material (and underwriting the concept), that was our doom, a foolish, idiotic concept. It was a scam. Do the math, check the dates, there's no arguing the point. Wanna MAGA? Go back to the concept of College Material, but enforce it by forcing colleges and universities to cosign loans. Nonsensical "Studies" programs AND the SJW culture will instantly disappear. T'would be for the best for everyone and everything, except for their endowments..

    Pretty late to this thread, but just on this point – school loans, the conservatives could learn something from libertarians (of course, vice versa). The reason this loan bubble is out of control and up to about $1,400,000,000,000 right now, with a significant chunk in default, is due to US government backing of these loans.

    No loan officer would have gotten away with a loan to most of the people that Steve mentions on an almost daily basis, if this were 1980. He would be fired for taking on risky debt like this. It doesn’t matter now, as the bank wins no matter what. They get the origination fee, and can collect interest or sell the debt right away. Why not loan $120,000 over 4 years to a sicko majoring in transgenderbender studies? It’ s a win-win-win-lose*

    Were governments of all sorts out of the education business (along with most other businesses) we wouldn’t have to put up with this nonsense.

    * University-bank-student-taxpayer. You, the taxpayer, Mr. Jim Christian, are a co-signer, whether you remember doing it or not.

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  234. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous

    And let us not neglect the armchair social justice warriors flooding into Slate, Atlantic, The New Republic and so on? Our universities have graduated a large surplus of leftist/SJW English major types with high verbal skills. Where are they going to work and find jobs? The jobs at SJW news outlets cannot possibly pay very much but the internet is left ringing with their self righteous screeds.
     
    I worked in a job that dealt with federal government hiring and federal contractors and non-profits close to The Swamp. You can not imagine the glut of young upper-middle/upper-class, self-assured liberal females with straight-A poli-sci and area studies degrees from Georgetown U. School of Foreign Service, GWU, Tufts Fletcher School, Johns Hopkins School of Adv. In'tl Studies, et al., with extensive foreign travel, study abroad, internships, etc., who all are expecting to get into the federal government or some contractor working in geopolitical busybody work to save the world. My work has also covered IC work and so I can tell you first hand that this type has throughly infected State Dept. and CIA and is the reason Trump really has to shut down CIA and move those intelligence operations to DoD.

    working in geopolitical busybody work to save the world. My work has also covered IC work and so I can tell you first hand that this type has thoroughly infected State Dept. and CIA and is the reason Trump really has to shut down CIA and move those intelligence operations to DoD.

    State Department is a feminist swamp. You are saying parts of the CIA are just as bad? How liberal is the CIA? Or certain sections of it?

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  235. @JohnnyWalker123
    A few observations.

    1. I've noticed that among SJW/feminist women, there are disprortionately high percentage of Indian/Paki women. They're something like 1.5% of the national population and mostly new immigrants, but they are very noticeable in activism. It's interesting. For example, Hillary seemed pretty close to a few South Asian women (Huma Abedin, Neera Tanden), but she didn't seem to hang out much with Asians.

    2. Asians actually seem underrepresented among SJWs. I see some, but their representation is far smaller than their proportion of the population. Asians outnumber Indian/Pakis by a 2.5 to 1 ratio nationally, but are strongly outnumbered in the SJW world. Asian men are actually even more underrepresented as SJWs than Asian women. For whatever reason, Asians (especially Asian males) aren't drawn to activism much.

    3. Asian and Indian/Paki women have different personality types. Asian women (on the surface) are usually demure and try to be socially pleasing. Indian/Paki women are huge ball busters with attitude. Worse than white feminists and maybe even worse than Jewish women. That may influence their politics.

    4. Both Asian and Indian/Paki women are really into white men. I'm not surprised that this girl's boyfriend is white. Both races seem to regard their men as being undesirable and can be fairly accesible if you're a white guy. Indian/Paki women seem to have an especially strong revulsion towards their men. Interestingly, Indian/Paki women seem to often marry their own men in the end. They're accesible for dating, but have a strong perference for in-group marriages. They may rail against the white patriarchy, but they like dating it too.

    Please forgive me if you think I’ve got no bidness writing this since I’m not a long-term poster, but:

    Are you all politically correct here? This site (unz in general) seems to be a place for honesty – so can we use the term Oriental, please? I mean, I keep reading Asian, and y’all know Asia is a big continent, that includes India. Why qualify it with E. Asian S. Asian, whatever? It’s confusing the living crap outta me.

    What makes anyone on here thing that Oriental is a slur? If you do, I think you’ve got some, just a little bit, of the brainwashing that we see in some of the kooks that we can read about on this site. Oriental means Eastern and all you smart people (I’m not being sarcastic) know that. (It IS funny that the Orient is far west for us here in America, but the term, “Far East” originated in Europe, I imagine). My wife is Oriental, and does not see that term as a slur.

    How about you, Mr. Daniel Cheih? I really respect you from your posts – what say you?

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    Achmed E. Newman:

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian! After some probing, I found that he did not want to be put into the Oriental grab bag. Each to his own.

    According to his lexicon, North East Asia encompasses China and its renegade province Taiwan, Korea, and Japan.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I've never really cared and used to refer to myself with actual racial slurs until moderators began to delete them - on American Renaissance, of all sites. I chuckle. I think the only objection to Oriental is that it just means "Eastern" and I've heard it refer to anything east of Greece - thus conflating the Middle Eastern with the Far East Asia, and it could be a bit confusing.

    These days "Oriental" actually conjures up images of veils, Sarah Brightman and her Harem soundtrack for me more than anything. Odd, no?

    I use East Asian because it seems the most specific. I don't really take offense to people using any terms, though. I occasionally correct racial slurs if they are for an incorrect group, for example, though.

    , @Jack D
    As Daniel says, "Oriental" used to refer to anything from the Middle East onward (e.g. "Oriental rug") and so is no more helpful than "Asian". In the US (unlike the UK) , Asian implicitly means E. Asian or people of the mongoloid (to be politically incorrect) race and S. Asians are usually just called Indians (even if they are Pakistani) ,while the people we used to Indians are Native Americans. This week.
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  236. @Twinkie

    And then there’s They’s co-leader at They’s big protest, a South Asian Gender Studies major who is a wonderful example of Tiger Daughterism.
     
    Is the "tiger..." moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn't we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don't do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w

    Although Indian emigre parents have high expectations of their children as East Asian emigre parents do, my general impression is that the former tend to be much more indulgent and pampering in non-academic matters than the latter are.

    Is the “tiger…” moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians? After all, Indian parents don’t do this to their kids: https://youtu.be/9QNmdbSDQ3w

    At least one South Asian Indian has claimed that she belongs to the “elephant mom” school of parenting. She may have a point. I know a couple of Indian families quite well, and they are more like the stereotypical Jewish mothers of yore. Not that they don’t want their kids to end up in law school or medical school.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/12/elephant-mom-timeof-tigermother/383378/

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  237. @jtgw
    I wonder what the alternative is. A society where hot babes and rich guys openly justify their success by the fact that they're hot or rich, with no other ideological fig leaf? I guess it would at least be honest.

    Like ‘Tex’ says, that was America (or at least how America was perceived by the relatively sophisticated and hypocritical Brits) circa 1865–1965.

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  238. @Dave Pinsen
    India currently leads the world in outdoor defecation, which is a serious health issue in that it pollutes the water supply.

    But another approach in poor, fertile areas is composting toilets. The FT highlighted a charity several years ago that promoted these in Bangladesh. The tech is pretty simple: a barrel under a toilet seat, with a barrel of soil and one of wood ash nearby. After defecating, you toss a scoop of soil and one of ash over it. When the barrel fills up, you seal it, and store it for 6 months. After that, you've got rich, fertilized soil to grow vegetables in.

    The challenge for the charity was educating locals.

    The tech is pretty simple: a barrel under a toilet seat, with a barrel of soil and one of wood ash nearby. After defecating, you toss a scoop of soil and one of ash over it.

    Mahatma Gandhi tried to educate Indians to do this, starting more than a century ago, and labored mightily for decades. He failed.

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  239. @Anonymous

    Preet Bharara has the heart of a champion and King Kong balls of titanium. He’d make a great AG once Sessions retires.
     
    I agree. I think he was probably Trump's pick as well-- even though he's a Democrat-- because Trump likes competence. But obviously when Sessions told Trump he'd like the AG position, Trump had to give it to him for being so loyal from the beginning.

    When Bharara spoke with the press in the Trump Tower lobby after his meeting, he looked disappointed.

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  240. @Ed
    Maybe there's a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians. All I know is that many of my Indian b-school classmates were gregarious & a blast to hang out with & I saw a few of them pull white girls with own eyes. One is married to a white woman.

    Now the IT consultant guys at my work do come across as more of the stereotypical wallflower types.

    Maybe there’s a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians.

    Having worked in banking and finance, I tend to agree. There is a very considerable class and social divide, I think. Kind of like the nerd/jock divide, but related to social class, too. I knew the Indian bankers better, and many, if not most, were prep-school or boarding school educated in India.

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  241. Ivy says:
    @Svigor
    Tiger daughters had better watch their backs:

    A Northwestern University freshman who recently came out as transgender tried to join a sorority this month, yearning for deeper friendships on campus.

    The case is unusual because the student is a transgender man, born with a female body but identifying as male, and already beginning to make that transition. Eighteen-year-old Adam Davies said he was drawn to the tenets of Greek life — philanthropy, bonding and leadership — but that with his changing body he might not feel comfortable living in a fraternity.

    So he sought out the sisterhood of a sorority instead.
     
    It'd be great if a bunch of testosterone-laden go-getters in dresses took over SJWism from the cute coeds.

    He thinks even sororities accepting of transgender recruits identifying as women would balk at including anyone who identifies as a man.
     
    See? They're practically asking for it.

    My wife lamented the inclusiveness plank that her sorority added recently, as trannies and such really don’t belong with daughters or granddaughters. Donations are likely to plummet for such houses.

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  242. @Gaius Baltar

    just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?
     
    I have noticed a similar phenomenon on the right with the meteoric rise of young (barely out of college), attractive women writing books and offering 'conservative' commentary on news shows. (i.e., Katie Pavlich, Tomi Lahren and Lauren Southern).

    They offer nothing unique to the debate other than great legs

    They’re quite young and haven’t been afforded the time to develop their thinking before their youth and good looks placed them center-stage. So they’re more like the equivalent of a newscaster than a journalist. I agree that there is a parallel with SJW’s parlaying activism into a career. Still, any young woman who is publicly critical of feminism and left politics likely develops considerable depth to her thinking early on, due to constantly being challenged and antagonized. Also don’t forget that conventionally feminine women are more disposed to people-pleasing than men are, and more sensitive to being disliked, disparaged, and ominously threatened. In that sense, it takes guts for a young woman to get out there against the status quo. I wouldn’t be able to handle it.

    Also, I will forever defend Lauren Southern just for this video alone (1:50):

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  243. peterike says:

    Some worthwhile information if you’re thinking about that Indian girlfriend….

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  244. @ussr andy

    Rules are for squares man…dig?…
     
    dear sir:
    the typographic phenomenon that I mean seems to be unique to Indians. btw, another is using the royal we.
    we tried asking on a differnt site but the people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.

    “people there denied that this was even a thing. please advise.”
    Ellipses (…) are a touchy subject with the rebels on here. Best not say any more.

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  245. Ivy says:
    @Triumph104
    SJWs can work in public schools. Many high schools have ethnic studies classes. At least one high school in San Francisco has a race relation class. SJWs have worked tirelessly to end the "school to prison pipeline", so now misbehaving kids can't be suspended and kids are allowed to talk on their cell phones during class. New York City is actively recruiting "non-white male" teachers without fear of reprisal from the government.

    SJWs are also demanding that classrooms and entire schools be racially and economically balanced to reflect the demographics of the school district. The kids aren't actually learning anything, but that is not the social justice warrior's problem. If a child cannot meet a standard, the SJW demands that the standard be lowered.

    Prep schools may provide an interesting subject for a deeper look at education trends. For example, how much of a typical day is absorbed with SJW themes or other non-academic activities? Without the coercion of federal funds, what latitude do schools have to concentrate on traditional education? Given the choice, would schools exclude Common Core or similar mandates?

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  246. Dan Hayes says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Please forgive me if you think I've got no bidness writing this since I'm not a long-term poster, but:

    Are you all politically correct here? This site (unz in general) seems to be a place for honesty - so can we use the term Oriental, please? I mean, I keep reading Asian, and y'all know Asia is a big continent, that includes India. Why qualify it with E. Asian S. Asian, whatever? It's confusing the living crap outta me.

    What makes anyone on here thing that Oriental is a slur? If you do, I think you've got some, just a little bit, of the brainwashing that we see in some of the kooks that we can read about on this site. Oriental means Eastern and all you smart people (I'm not being sarcastic) know that. (It IS funny that the Orient is far west for us here in America, but the term, "Far East" originated in Europe, I imagine). My wife is Oriental, and does not see that term as a slur.

    How about you, Mr. Daniel Cheih? I really respect you from your posts - what say you?

    Achmed E. Newman:

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian! After some probing, I found that he did not want to be put into the Oriental grab bag. Each to his own.

    According to his lexicon, North East Asia encompasses China and its renegade province Taiwan, Korea, and Japan.

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    , @Reg Cæsar

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian!
     
    My dad, who went there on business 50+ years ago, would have called him Formosan.

    (Isn't "bristled" microaggressive now? Sounds like it, doesn't it?)

    , @Opinionator
    I'm pretty sure that's what "Oriental" includes, exclusively, too.
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  247. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AMWF
    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences. As stated before, young Korean men are taller than young Japanese men. On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.

    1. Average Height of a male in Shandong = 175.44cm
    Average Height of a male in Beijing = 175.33cm
    http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/01/average-heights-men-women.php

    2. Average Height of a male in the UK = 175.3cm
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11534042

    we need to stop this pointless east asian obsession with height; the angle I am getting from your comment and your handle is that you believe that asian males will reach parity with (white) males in the social and dating spheres through virtue of being taller alone. In fact I frequently get this impression from fellow asians who think that simply becoming taller and more high status is the way to a (white) girls heart; while this is somewhat true, I think that increased height and social status are a poor proxy for what asians truly lack, which is essentially good social skills, natural sensuality, and a good dose of sexual dimorphism. I can tell you this, these northern chinese men can get as tall as they want but white women aren’t going to give them a second look unless said chinese men can back it up with social adeptness, proper hygeine and adequate sexual ability. I have ample exposure to white women, and women in general and I know what generally attracts them. Women basically want everything, good looks, good status, good social skills and good in bed (white women especially demand this). If you are focusing on only height and increased status then you are in for a rude awakening. If we truly seek to empower our race, I advise we take a more holistic approach.

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  248. Twinkie says:
    @res

    There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India
     
    Any idea why this is? Cold adaptation?

    It seems odd to me to attribute the Korea/Japan height difference to a north-south gradient given they are at a similar latitude. Am I missing something? Is the gradient that steep?

    P.S. Glad to see you commenting again.

    Any idea why this is? Cold adaptation?

    Perhaps in the beginning. Koreans have much more Siberian paleo hunter-gatherer genes than the Japanese do from what I gather. The height difference was pronounced apparently even in pre-modern times if Chinese and Korean ethnographies of the period is to be believed. Plus Koreans consume much more meat (protein) than latter as well. On the other hand, perhaps in part because of the dietary differences, Koreans have a lower average lifespan than the Japanese.

    P.S. Glad to see you commenting again.

    Thank you. Hunting seasons are now over (except archery, but I am done for the season). I rarely if ever comment during hunting seasons.

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  249. Njguy73 says:
    @Romanian
    So we have seen a preemptive strike on part of the High by coopting the Low to bleed the Middle?

    a preemptive strike on part of the High by coopting the Low to bleed the Middle?

    You mean like elites importing low-capital types to serve as cheap labor for conservative interests, and as clients for liberal interests?

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  250. Twinkie says:
    @üeljang
    "Is the 'tiger…' moniker applicable to South Asians? Shouldn’t we come up with something different for them since the tiger thing is for East Asians?"

    It's even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west (alongside the color white and the element metal/gold/money). (However, the tiger also can represent ENE of the compass or the third two-hour division of a day according to the East Asian zodiac.)

    It’s even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west

    But the tiger (Siberian Tiger) is the national symbol of Korea. It features heavily in the Korean national foundational mythology (along with a bear turning into a human female and marrying the son of heaven and founding the Korean people). It was also the mascot of the 1988 Seoul Olympics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodori

    And South Korea’s most renowned unit in the Vietnam War was the Tiger Division:

    The Tigers were considered uncanny for their ability to search territory and smoke out enemy soldiers and weapons. They would plan operations meticulously and sometimes even rehearse it beforehand. The soldiers would seal off a relatively small area, no more than 9 or 10 square kilometers. Troops would be brought in by air and land, but would arrive at the same time to maximize the chokehold. Slowly but surely the cordon would be tightened, and everyone and everything would be searched. Civilians were separated and interrogated, routinely offered rewards if they cooperated. It was not unusual for an area to be searched three or four times by different platoons. To prevent enemy breakouts, the Koreans had special reaction forces that could plug holes in the perimeter. General William R. Peers considered the Koreans the best at these so-called “cordon and search operations.”

    An older buddy of mine who served in Vietnam called the Tiger Division AOR the safest area in all of Vietnam.

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    My recently deceased brother in law served in the Korean action and was in awe of Tiger Division discipline. He told me how their sergeants would line the troops up and would mete out summary baton clubbing for some infractions.
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  251. Twinkie says:
    @Hosswire
    Hey, pal. Around here, we notice patterns & generalities.

    If you want to call people names for using heuristics, go to SJW land.

    Hey, pal. Around here, we notice patterns & generalities.

    Who is this “we” for whom you presume to speak? I was here before you, going by the post dates.

    Moreover, human biodiversity does not stop with continental groupings (i.e. “races”). Some groups and regions – gasp! – have more genetic structure than others.

    If you want to call people names for using heuristics, go to SJW land.

    Not everything you don’t like or understand is SJWism.

    I like being a real warrior, thank you very much.

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  252. Twinkie says:
    @27 year old
    You're really reaching with this. With India, with its history of English colonial rule, White guys being the apex alphas well above the sadistic local caste system or whatever bullshit, it's a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry. Quit SJWing up the blog. You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey

    You sound like that Asian guy whining at Steve Harvey

    Who is Steve Harvey?

    As for “whining,” have some respect for your elders. While you were a teenager masturbating in mom’s basement in the early 2000′s, I was in the northwest of the Subcontinent.

    it’s a pretty safe bet that guy has White ancestry

    I have no clue what the man’s ancestry is. But if he is a Subcontinental, assuming automatically partial white ancestry because of his height is stupid and ignorant. I saw many tall (over 6′) Punjabis while I was in Pakistan. The Subcontinent is a big place with a lot of genetic diversity, and one sees all types.

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  253. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    What is your ancestry? Northern Chinese?

    Northern Chinese?

    No.

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  254. @Achmed E. Newman
    Please forgive me if you think I've got no bidness writing this since I'm not a long-term poster, but:

    Are you all politically correct here? This site (unz in general) seems to be a place for honesty - so can we use the term Oriental, please? I mean, I keep reading Asian, and y'all know Asia is a big continent, that includes India. Why qualify it with E. Asian S. Asian, whatever? It's confusing the living crap outta me.

    What makes anyone on here thing that Oriental is a slur? If you do, I think you've got some, just a little bit, of the brainwashing that we see in some of the kooks that we can read about on this site. Oriental means Eastern and all you smart people (I'm not being sarcastic) know that. (It IS funny that the Orient is far west for us here in America, but the term, "Far East" originated in Europe, I imagine). My wife is Oriental, and does not see that term as a slur.

    How about you, Mr. Daniel Cheih? I really respect you from your posts - what say you?

    I’ve never really cared and used to refer to myself with actual racial slurs until moderators began to delete them – on American Renaissance, of all sites. I chuckle. I think the only objection to Oriental is that it just means “Eastern” and I’ve heard it refer to anything east of Greece – thus conflating the Middle Eastern with the Far East Asia, and it could be a bit confusing.

    These days “Oriental” actually conjures up images of veils, Sarah Brightman and her Harem soundtrack for me more than anything. Odd, no?

    I use East Asian because it seems the most specific. I don’t really take offense to people using any terms, though. I occasionally correct racial slurs if they are for an incorrect group, for example, though.

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    Why?
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  255. Twinkie says:
    @AMWF
    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences. As stated before, young Korean men are taller than young Japanese men. On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.

    1. Average Height of a male in Shandong = 175.44cm
    Average Height of a male in Beijing = 175.33cm
    http://shanghaiist.com/2015/07/01/average-heights-men-women.php

    2. Average Height of a male in the UK = 175.3cm
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11534042

    East Asia is also a pretty big place with huge regional differences.

    No. Razib Khan elaborated on this in depth when he was at Unz. East Asia has less genetic structure than the Indian subcontinent. In other words, China is less diverse genetically than India. Even more isolated East Asian population such as Korea has lower diversity still. Koreans are highly Siberian-descended with comparatively little “Austronesian” input.

    On average, men in Northern China are taller than the average Brit. And Chinese men are only going to get taller with access to better nutrition that comes with increased wealth.

    In China – even Northern China – there is a significant height dispersion between rural and urban areas.

    In terms of national means, the tallest men in Asia are South Korean. They are about an inch shorter than American men on average.

    Although wealth plays a role, the real prominent factors seem to be genetics and diet. Protein consumption in China is up significantly so I would expect height to increase. But we don’t know much about the genetic limit. If I were to speculate, I would think that Northern Chinese mean male height would approach or equal the South Korean average in short order if not there already.

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  256. Art says:

    “Tiger Daughters” is great wordsmithing!

    Art

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  257. guest says:
    @Ryan K
    What does SJW mean?? Shouldn't we define terms before using them heavily?

    Read “SJWs Always Lie” by Vox Day. Or just google it.

    It has been defined, over and over again.

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  258. @Dr Hook
    Several references to filling in slots at the Vagina Monologues.
    Frat boy sabotage?

    LOL

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  259. @Dan Hayes
    Achmed E. Newman:

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian! After some probing, I found that he did not want to be put into the Oriental grab bag. Each to his own.

    According to his lexicon, North East Asia encompasses China and its renegade province Taiwan, Korea, and Japan.

    Who’s the East Asian woman comedian with the foul mouth who calls them Fancy Asians versus Jungle Asians?

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    Ally Wong (aka the pregnant lady). She says that both she and her husband are half-Fancy Asian and half-Jungle Asian.
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  260. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I've always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian, especially if the UK is to be believed. In all frankness, I think that your average Chinese is much more "alien" than they are. While I knew of some Indian customs from coworkers, it never seemed to be as encompassing as a life guide as thoughts about Confucianism, etc, were and they don't seem to have the same type of clannishness or internal obsession with stability.

    The number of times someone Chinese has said to me about "We're Chinese, so we do things this way..." is beyond count, so we clearly have strong internal stereotypes. There's a clear sense of "We work harder, we aren't as politically correct, we still have our own language and life is hard on us, so we will struggle more," and heaven knows how often I was shamed for not saving enough.

    Indians seem to fit in better, they have fragmented their cliques already along caste lines, so they reassociate in new society with much more ease. As an example, I've known of far more Indian vice presidents and executives in my American companies than East Asian vice presidents(none!) - but I don't know of any Indians that invite each other to dinner just because of a shared race, while when I was in the US, I was pretty much cordial both on and off work with a number of other Chinese.

    The result of that is that we always seem to have jobs and always can help each other, but we never seem to hit the highest levels. We just keep to a upper middle level, but for everyone does much better than average.

    I’ve always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian

    No. It depends on what you mean by “East Asian.”

    Being quite traditional, my proxy for “doing better with women” is marriage. Here are the actual numbers compiled based on Census data:

    US-born males married to US-born white females (the numbers in parentheses are ALL males, in other words inclusive of foreign-born):

    Koreans: 34.6% (5.3%)
    Filipinos: 31.8% (7.9%)
    Chinese: 26.5% (5.2%)
    Indians: 25.6% (4.3%)
    *Japanese: 25.1% (18.8%)
    Vietnamese: 21.9% (2.8%)

    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    *I suspect this is skewed by a high degree of admixture among “Japanese” born in the U.S.

    It’s always been my contention that four elements exert a strong role in Asian male intermarriage with white females in the U.S.:

    1. Acculturation. There is a HUGE disparity between the foreign-born and the American-born. It appears that the great bulk of “Asian male penalty” as such relates to foreign-ness and low status of immigrants.

    2. Height. Women prefer height above almost all other factors. Koreans are, on average, the tallest men in Asia, and I suspect this helps a great deal in the marriage market. At the other end of the spectrum, the very small stature of Vietnamese men hurt them I would think.

    3. Religion. Religious compatibility is still a very important factor in marriage and childrearing. The country is still substantially Christian, Protestant in fact, and Koreans in America are, by far, the most Protestant among Asians. I’ve seen estimate as high as 70-90% of Koreans in America are Protestant. Next up are the Filipinos who are, of course, overwhelmingly Catholic.

    4. Military service. This may simply be a proxy for many other factors, but nothing says “manly” like a soldier wearing a uniform. Both Koreans and Filipinos have high rates of military service, with the former in the Army and the latter in the Navy. Indeed, in many graduating classes, the modal surname at West Point is “Kim.” What’s more, Koreans are more highly represented in combat arms rather than combat support and support services in the military compared to other Asian ethnics.

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  261. Twinkie says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Who's the East Asian woman comedian with the foul mouth who calls them Fancy Asians versus Jungle Asians?

    Who’s the East Asian woman comedian with the foul mouth who calls them Fancy Asians versus Jungle Asians?

    Ally Wong (aka the pregnant lady). She says that both she and her husband are half-Fancy Asian and half-Jungle Asian.

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  262. Lagertha says:

    White, young women are losing their agency (bc they are/were so focal for way, way, way too long – I mean Bond Girls?) because they do not represent any minority, whatsoever, and sex ID, is so yesterday… White girls got owned, big time. Up shot: their parents just realized they have been played! OMG! They are now joining me and my sons as being soooo fracking “privileged.” Diversity kinda’ tastes bitter now. bhwahahhahaaaa

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    I have been waiting for this time when girls are getting hammered with "you are absolutely brilliant, but not diverse enough to make us look like the most "AMAZING university in the country. This will be epic fail for all private U's. Steve, there is a new stat that I would love for you to dig deep: I believe the smartest kids are middle income kids/low income kids....the highest IQ kids that are going to State U's/private U's that give them a shit-ton of money. Maybe I am being hyper again, but I sooooo want to burst the bubble, forever, of the Ivies & Co. (you know my history) as to the fact that they have so dropped their criteria for choosing students (according to SAT's/ACTS/IQs) for diversity's sake. With global warming, and pollution destroying our oceans, I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.
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  263. Twinkie says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I've never really cared and used to refer to myself with actual racial slurs until moderators began to delete them - on American Renaissance, of all sites. I chuckle. I think the only objection to Oriental is that it just means "Eastern" and I've heard it refer to anything east of Greece - thus conflating the Middle Eastern with the Far East Asia, and it could be a bit confusing.

    These days "Oriental" actually conjures up images of veils, Sarah Brightman and her Harem soundtrack for me more than anything. Odd, no?

    I use East Asian because it seems the most specific. I don't really take offense to people using any terms, though. I occasionally correct racial slurs if they are for an incorrect group, for example, though.

    on American Renaissance

    Why?

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    on American Renaissance

     

    Why?
     
    The enemy of my enemy will kill me only later, while the enemy that is the Left will kill me now. Their policies and their thought controls are akin to the death of meaning and identity for me, after all.
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  264. @Jefferson
    "What I do find interesting is that Indians and Pakistanis both buy heavily into status-consciousness but in a strange way. I mean multiple generations of married adults living in a McMansion with multiple luxury cars in the driveway – they get that driving a big Merc is a class marker, but that being a married adult living with your parents is generally an indication of the opposite."

    You associate Pakistanis with mcmansions and luxury cars? In Great Britain every Pakistani and their mama is living off welfare sucking on the government teet.

    IT H1B-ville had an old world eruption among the multi-family McMansions

    http://abc11.com/news/student-attacked-with-machete-in-front-of-an-apex-home/1699454/

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  265. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    White, young women are losing their agency (bc they are/were so focal for way, way, way too long - I mean Bond Girls?) because they do not represent any minority, whatsoever, and sex ID, is so yesterday... White girls got owned, big time. Up shot: their parents just realized they have been played! OMG! They are now joining me and my sons as being soooo fracking "privileged." Diversity kinda' tastes bitter now. bhwahahhahaaaa

    I have been waiting for this time when girls are getting hammered with “you are absolutely brilliant, but not diverse enough to make us look like the most “AMAZING university in the country. This will be epic fail for all private U’s. Steve, there is a new stat that I would love for you to dig deep: I believe the smartest kids are middle income kids/low income kids….the highest IQ kids that are going to State U’s/private U’s that give them a shit-ton of money. Maybe I am being hyper again, but I sooooo want to burst the bubble, forever, of the Ivies & Co. (you know my history) as to the fact that they have so dropped their criteria for choosing students (according to SAT’s/ACTS/IQs) for diversity’s sake. With global warming, and pollution destroying our oceans, I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.

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    I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.

    You are mistaken. We need the most loyal young people guiding us.
    , @Alec Leamas

    Maybe I am being hyper again, but I sooooo want to burst the bubble, forever, of the Ivies & Co. (you know my history) as to the fact that they have so dropped their criteria for choosing students (according to SAT’s/ACTS/IQs) for diversity’s sake. With global warming, and pollution destroying our oceans, I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.
     
    I think you're mistaken if you think the Ivies were always about selecting the highest achieving from the graduating Senior High School class. They've long been a country club/networking venue for the children of the aristocracy and children of the heads of industry to maintain and advance their positions, with a smattering of ultra high academic achievers and academically competent athletes. Otherwise, you'd have to believe that all four children born to Al Gore and his wife Tipper were the top fraction of 1% of their high school classes, rather than just the grandchildren of a U.S. Senator, children of an alumnus, U.S. Senator and Vice President. Al Gore wants his kids to be life long friends of the scions of other political dynasties and future Goldmans Sachs partners, perhaps maybe marrying one - and the parents of those other kids want the same.

    My surmise is that the Ivies have been meeting their secret diversity quotas in no small part by admitting international students like huwhyte sons and daughters of government officials and landowners in Central America and Africa, with a sprinkling of domestic blacks (probably tilted towards the high-achieving sons and daughters of Caribbean immigrants) and Hispanics.

    There's not a whole lot of daylight there for the bright children of the great white middle who don't have some inside connections.
    , @Jack D
    You may wish this but I don't think it's true. First of all, there are not that many low income kids outside of 1st generation immigrants at the upper reaches of IQ. Good Will Hunting type janitor-geniuses are in short supply in real life (notice that in Manchester by the Sea, the protagonist is a janitor in Boston again - what is it with Afflecks and janitors?).

    2nd, Ivies offer "need blind" admission - if your family doesn't have the $, they will pay the full freight if necessary.

    3rd, the Ivies need to keep their SAT averages up for rating purposes. They have to admit a bunch of guys and gals (though increasingly Asians) with really high boards to counterbalance all the NAMS, alumni, athletes, donors, etc. that they would like to take.

    The place where the State U "honor colleges" are doing well is among middle class families that make slightly too much to qualify for financial aid and the kids are moderately bright but not upper Ivy bright.

    There is still a big premium in the job market on attending an Ivy or quasi-Ivy (Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke). 11 of the last 10 Supreme Court justices and Presidential candidates were Ivy (including now Trump at Penn). Harvard and Yale - even better. That's the reality and if you have a kid (or you are a kid) it's wise to take that into account regardless of how you feel about those places ideologically (not that the state u's are any better).

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  266. Dan Hayes says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s even odder when one knows that, in traditional Sinospheric symbolism, the tiger is a symbol for the west
     
    But the tiger (Siberian Tiger) is the national symbol of Korea. It features heavily in the Korean national foundational mythology (along with a bear turning into a human female and marrying the son of heaven and founding the Korean people). It was also the mascot of the 1988 Seoul Olympics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodori

    And South Korea's most renowned unit in the Vietnam War was the Tiger Division: https://youtu.be/ixRSRcE_Wew

    The Tigers were considered uncanny for their ability to search territory and smoke out enemy soldiers and weapons. They would plan operations meticulously and sometimes even rehearse it beforehand. The soldiers would seal off a relatively small area, no more than 9 or 10 square kilometers. Troops would be brought in by air and land, but would arrive at the same time to maximize the chokehold. Slowly but surely the cordon would be tightened, and everyone and everything would be searched. Civilians were separated and interrogated, routinely offered rewards if they cooperated. It was not unusual for an area to be searched three or four times by different platoons. To prevent enemy breakouts, the Koreans had special reaction forces that could plug holes in the perimeter. General William R. Peers considered the Koreans the best at these so-called "cordon and search operations."
     
    An older buddy of mine who served in Vietnam called the Tiger Division AOR the safest area in all of Vietnam.

    Twinkle:

    My recently deceased brother in law served in the Korean action and was in awe of Tiger Division discipline. He told me how their sergeants would line the troops up and would mete out summary baton clubbing for some infractions.

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    My recently deceased brother in law served in the Korean action and was in awe of Tiger Division discipline. He told me how their sergeants would line the troops up and would mete out summary baton clubbing for some infractions.
     
    The Korean War or the Vietnam War?

    In the Korean War, especially in the early phase, South Korean performance was generally quite poor (though the Tiger/Capital Division fared better). Its troops were comprised of ill-equipped and ill-trained peasant conscripts in the main, and frequently collapsed on contact with the enemy, especially mechanized units.

    By the time of the Vietnam War, South Koreans were very different, and generally performed extremely well, earning much praise especially for their ambushing skills and close quarter combat skills. However, they tended to be, er, on the rough side in handling Vietnamese civilian populations and were accused of numerous atrocities.

    In the most recent war in Iraq, they were not up to the elan of their Vietnam War-era elders. Their participation in the Iraq War was extremely unpopular politically back home and so they were very, and frustratingly, casualty-averse. So they picked Irbil, which was safe, and pretty much buttoned down there for five years doing "reconstruction" and avoided any engagements down south.
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  267. @BB753
    Anglo-Indians do have English surnames.

    He’s from a rural town in Placer county. I really doubt an Anglo-Indian migrant would head there.

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  268. @Twinkie

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c.
     
    Positive traits of non-whites never be non-white traits. They must be part-white traits. Just must be.

    As Razib Khan was fond of pointing out, India is a rather big place with a lot of genetic structure. People in some regions are much taller than those in others. There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

    There is definitely a north-south gradient in height in Asia, not just India (e.g. even though Japan is richer than Korea, Korean men are taller than Japanese men).

    Most Koreans live farther north than most Japanese:

    Koreans have much more Siberian paleo hunter-gatherer genes than the Japanese do from what I gather

    I gathered as much from just two days in Seoul in 1985. There seemed to be two distinct races there, one about halfway between Japan and China facially, the other, right off the horse from Mongolia.

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  269. @Dan Hayes
    Achmed E. Newman:

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian! After some probing, I found that he did not want to be put into the Oriental grab bag. Each to his own.

    According to his lexicon, North East Asia encompasses China and its renegade province Taiwan, Korea, and Japan.

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian!

    My dad, who went there on business 50+ years ago, would have called him Formosan.

    (Isn’t “bristled” microaggressive now? Sounds like it, doesn’t it?)

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  270. @Dan Hayes
    Achmed E. Newman:

    A Taiwan-American friend of mine emigrated to this country in childhood. He notably bristled when I referred to him as an Oriental. No thanks he adamantly replied, refer to me as a North East Asian! After some probing, I found that he did not want to be put into the Oriental grab bag. Each to his own.

    According to his lexicon, North East Asia encompasses China and its renegade province Taiwan, Korea, and Japan.

    I’m pretty sure that’s what “Oriental” includes, exclusively, too.

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  271. @Lagertha
    I have been waiting for this time when girls are getting hammered with "you are absolutely brilliant, but not diverse enough to make us look like the most "AMAZING university in the country. This will be epic fail for all private U's. Steve, there is a new stat that I would love for you to dig deep: I believe the smartest kids are middle income kids/low income kids....the highest IQ kids that are going to State U's/private U's that give them a shit-ton of money. Maybe I am being hyper again, but I sooooo want to burst the bubble, forever, of the Ivies & Co. (you know my history) as to the fact that they have so dropped their criteria for choosing students (according to SAT's/ACTS/IQs) for diversity's sake. With global warming, and pollution destroying our oceans, I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.

    I want the highest IQ young people guiding us. SOS, save our sorry asses souls, smart young people.

    You are mistaken. We need the most loyal young people guiding us.

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  272. FKA Max says:
    @Clyde

    How is a tiny mestizo man like They supposed to compete with these Tiger Daughters in the SJW business?
     
    The SJW business is show business and .... "There's No Business Like Show Business" from Annie Get Your Gun and the show business being referred to is Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Some things never change. Rush Limbaugh often jokes that politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

    And her frat bro boy friend is tall for a sub continental kinda guy. Maybe he is only half a sub/c. She is Bollywood worthy, going by the head shot.

    Have you ever noticed that basically everything you are supposed to believe in these days—feminism, diversity, etc.—turns out in practice to just be another way for hot babes, rich guys, super salesmen, cunning financiers, telegenic self-promoters, and powerful politicians to get themselves even more money and power?

    Peter Buffett (Warren Buffett’s son) put it this way. Sounds like the perfect Tiger mother and daughter hunting grounds to me:

    The Charitable-Industrial Complex

    By PETER BUFFETT
    Published: July 26, 2013

    I would hear people discuss transplanting what worked in one setting directly into another with little regard for culture, geography or societal norms. [...]

    Between 2001 and 2011, the number of nonprofits increased 25 percent. Their growth rate now exceeds that of both the business and government sectors. It’s a massive business, with approximately $316 billion given away in 2012 in the United States alone and more than 9.4 million employed.

    Philanthropy has become the “it” vehicle to level the playing field and has generated a growing number of gatherings, workshops and affinity groups.

    As more lives and communities are destroyed by the system that creates vast amounts of wealth for the few, the more heroic it sounds to “give back.” It’s what I would call “conscience laundering” — feeling better about accumulating more than any one person could possibly need to live on by sprinkling a little around as an act of charity.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/opinion/the-charitable-industrial-complex.html

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  273. @Autochthon
    I'd never heard of this creature so I investigated. The excerpts from Webpages in the list of results indicated she was "Canadian-American" and her photograph indicated she was Asian so I smelt a rat. Sure enough, she's an Iraqi (ethnically Armenian).

    Please let's all stop entertaining these lunatics' pretended nationalities and ethnicities just as we don't entertain their pretended sexes.

    The "Texan boy" with the clock was not. The "Floridian man" who murdered the homosexuals in Orlando was not.

    And so on. Calling these people Texan, Floridian, French, etc. should be met with just as much outcry in the media as that crazy white lady (Dolezel?) who pretended to be black was met with. But it never is.

    So we pretend Salma Hayek, a relatively fair, attractive, and buxom Lebanese lady is representative of swarthy, ugly, pudgy mestizos in Mexico.

    We pretend murderous Somalis, Arabs, etc. are British, American, and French.

    On and on it goes. You don't get to dictate your own identity. Sure, you can take up surfing or learn to play a piano, study chemistry rather than philosophy. But those are behaviours. If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I'll still be a 5'10" American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body. Period. If I described myself as the Dutchman I'd be pitied, ridiculed, reviled, or some combination thereof. At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.

    We must stop humouring the pretenders and play-actors. You wanna be something you aren't? Fine, call over some friends to play Dungeons & Dragons. You can be an elven knight. When the game is over, though, you have to go back to being you; no one at the office is going to treat you like an elf come Monday morning.

    If I say I am a tall, blonde Dutchman with piercing blue eyes and washboard-abs, I’ll still be a 5’10″ American with brown hair, green eyes, and an unremarkable body…. At best people would think I had a zany sense of humour.

    Your spelling (humour) indicates that you are not American. But your punctuation (double quotation marks) suggests that you are.

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    Someone previously (maybe you) brought up my nationality vis-a-vis my writing. I am an American (from a line here before the U.S.A. existed as such), but I have some odd habits about writing which don't conform to any one set of conventions because I spent long amounts of time in both Europe and Canada, my tastes in literature favor the British, etc.
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  274. @JohnnyWalker123

    Now what about the skin tone fluctuations? Cream lightener, seasonal exposure, or photoshop? Only her hairdresser knows for sure..
     
    Photo editing.

    These days photo editing techniques have become extremely sophisticated. You can change your skin color, use filtering to give yourself sharper features, photo shop in muscles, fade out blemishes, etc. It's very common for people to use these techniques in their pictures. If you spend a lot of time on Facebook and Instagram, you'd think America was full of supermodels with toned physiques, ripped abs, and absurdly aesthetic faces.

    Especially when a person's appearance changes significantly from picture to picture, you can be 100% sure they're using sophisticated photo editing. That girl (I can guarantee you) photo edited that first picture massively. I'd be shocked if she looked anything like that in real life.

    I actually think that one reason people love social media so much is that it allows them to produce an idealized image of themselves. They can take pictures all day, modify those pictures in various editing programs, and then post their pics for the world to see. Then they get "likes" and "comments." It's a pretty nice form of validation.

    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.

    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.

    I post pictures of 1980s Dolph Lundgren. It saves time. :D

    What is the point of Photoshopping one’s own photos? It’s a passive-aggressive form of self-delusion.

    That being said, I could understand altering my image if, say, I were selling something online and didn’t want everyone to know that I looked like a creepy child-molester. (Not that I do, ha ha.) But that’s about it.

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    LOL.

    I think that a lot of young people spend so much time on social media that it's often their primary platform for socializing. If you have a cool profile, that gives you some degree of popularity and social status within this large online virtual world. The most important aspect of a profile is attractive pictures. People love "liking" and "commenting" on Instagram/Facebook profiles with amazing pictures. So photo editing is a way to get an edge and attain some degree of popularity.

    Of course, you could argue whether online popularity means anything in real life.

    Here's something else to consider. If you look really good online but only average in real life, couldn't that be a bad thing? When your friends saw your attractive pictures online and your average-looking self in real life, they'd constantly be reminded of how mediocre you look.

    Regardless of the above, a lot of people (especially under 30) love photoshopping their pictures. Often to an extreme extent. If I look at my Linkedin contacts, it appears that most of my network consists of models.
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  275. Eagle Eye says:
    @Cattle Guard
    So, it's rising Tiger Daughters taking these jobs away from the earlier generation of white leaders claiming to be less white than they look, from Jorge Ramos and Elizabeth Warren to Shaun King.

    Also see this Asian-looking woman complaining about how whites make more money per hour than various other races, with a comparison to Asian earnings conspicuous by its absence: https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/photos/a.594779487326617.1073741828.423006854503882/827105254094038/?type=3&permPage=1

    Are there no worthy successors to Al Sharpton? I actually admire him.

    Let’s not forget the renouned “American Indian” “scholar” Ward Churchill.

    Among arrivés politicians, we have the inimitable Warren Wilhelm (or vas it Varren Vilhelm? Vone forgets.) who currently prefers to be known as Bill de Blasio.

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  276. @Steve Sailer
    My hunch is some Northern Indian groups might turn out after a few generations of ample nutrition to be Dutch / Balkan tall on average.

    In the Netherlands, 20 year-old 2nd/3rd generation South Asians (who are overwhelmingly of Northern Indian background) were about 5ft8.6 inches. However, they had a fairly wide standard deviation (2.76 inches). For 2nd generation Indians in the UK (1/4 of them are Sikh and the remainder are mostly northern), their height curve is very similar.

    One study found that the babies of UK-born South Asians (these babies are 3rd generation) are no heavier than the babies of foreign-born UK South Asians (these babies are 2nd generation). However, both groups of UK South Asian babies are much heavier than babies born in South Asia.

    South Asian-born babies: 2800 grams
    UK-born South Asian babies from non-UK born mothers: 3100 grams
    UK-born South Asian babies from UK-born mothers: 3100 grams
    UK-born white babies: 3400 grams

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2002/aug/15/medicineandhealth.publichealth

    So that tends to suggest that if there is a size gain, it probably happens all within one generation. Not within multiple generations.

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    So Lysenko was wrong after all.
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  277. Escher says:
    @Mark Eugenikos
    Please intimate us and revert back.

    I have heard these terms (“do the needful”, “revert back”) used in Singapore as well, suggesting they hail from colonial English times.

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    I have heard these terms (“do the needful”, “revert back”) used in Singapore as well, suggesting they hail from colonial English times.
     
    I don't think it was exactly. For awhile, I was fond of reading casual letters written in the mid-1800s to the 1900s and loved fine handwriting, the type you never seen now.

    While it has some stylistic resemblances to the often unnecessarily complex and passive tones utilized then("If it would please you...","Kindly ask that you process this matter with the alacrity appropriate of its importance to..." ), what is used in modern India clearly has evolved into its own form with involves merging words and utilizing sound-cognates.

    "Please do the needful" is what has always jumped out to me, and I'm sure that that "needful" came from "necessary" somehow, but I'm not sure what the other parent cognate would be.

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  278. @rec1man
    @prosa123 - Indian parents tell their kids , never bring home a black or a muslim - guaranteed to get outcasted - Google for Sparkle Rai

    Also, Indian/Pak guys have small sausages. Black women are used to the much larger sizes of black men.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm

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  279. Eagle Eye says:
    @Twinkie

    It’s just, well, stereotyping. South Asians are on average shorter than whites; so a tall South Asian must be part-white.
     
    Again, South Asia is a HUGE region with a great deal of genetic diversity - there are dramatic regional and caste variations in traits such as IQ and height, based on both genetic and environmental differences such as diet.

    It's one thing to stereotype based on group averages, but it's another thing entirely to assume immediately white ancestry just because of high variance from that average.

    I'm East Asian and 6' 2". It'd be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    I’m East Asian and 6′ 2″. It’d be just as stupid and lazy to assume that I have European ancestry, just because of my height.

    Sure. And your skin tone just happens to be lighter than that of 98% of East Asians.

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  280. @Stan Adams

    You may not be able to be a model in real life, but you can at least play one on Instagram/Facebook. If reality is no fun, create a virtual world that makes you happy.
     
    I post pictures of 1980s Dolph Lundgren. It saves time. :D

    What is the point of Photoshopping one's own photos? It's a passive-aggressive form of self-delusion.

    That being said, I could understand altering my image if, say, I were selling something online and didn't want everyone to know that I looked like a creepy child-molester. (Not that I do, ha ha.) But that's about it.

    LOL.

    I think that a lot of young people spend so much time on social media that it’s often their primary platform for socializing. If you have a cool profile, that gives you some degree of popularity and social status within this large online virtual world. The most important aspect of a profile is attractive pictures. People love “liking” and “commenting” on Instagram/Facebook profiles with amazing pictures. So photo editing is a way to get an edge and attain some degree of popularity.

    Of course, you could argue whether online popularity means anything in real life.

    Here’s something else to consider. If you look really good online but only average in real life, couldn’t that be a bad thing? When your friends saw your attractive pictures online and your average-looking self in real life, they’d constantly be reminded of how mediocre you look.

    Regardless of the above, a lot of people (especially under 30) love photoshopping their pictures. Often to an extreme extent. If I look at my Linkedin contacts, it appears that most of my network consists of models.

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    "If I look at my Linkedin contacts, it appears that most of my network consists of models".

    I go on Linkedin perhaps six times a year, and every single time I am astounded by the number of attractive women in my network or separated by just one degree of separation. The ladies definitely put their best foot forward online.
    , @Difference maker
    There's a lot that could be said regarding the topics in this thread but this reminds me of a lovely real estate broker who looked better than her calm, composed professional advertising picture.

    I bet it was intentional. A pleasant surprise
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  281. @Daniel Chieh
    I've always felt that Indian men did better with white women than your average East Asian, especially if the UK is to be believed. In all frankness, I think that your average Chinese is much more "alien" than they are. While I knew of some Indian customs from coworkers, it never seemed to be as encompassing as a life guide as thoughts about Confucianism, etc, were and they don't seem to have the same type of clannishness or internal obsession with stability.

    The number of times someone Chinese has said to me about "We're Chinese, so we do things this way..." is beyond count, so we clearly have strong internal stereotypes. There's a clear sense of "We work harder, we aren't as politically correct, we still have our own language and life is hard on us, so we will struggle more," and heaven knows how often I was shamed for not saving enough.

    Indians seem to fit in better, they have fragmented their cliques already along caste lines, so they reassociate in new society with much more ease. As an example, I've known of far more Indian vice presidents and executives in my American companies than East Asian vice presidents(none!) - but I don't know of any Indians that invite each other to dinner just because of a shared race, while when I was in the US, I was pretty much cordial both on and off work with a number of other Chinese.

    The result of that is that we always seem to have jobs and always can help each other, but we never seem to hit the highest levels. We just keep to a upper middle level, but for everyone does much better than average.

    Actually, from what I’ve seen, Indians are often very clannish and love ethnic networking too. Their culture and family system seems all-consuming too.

    The main advantage they have is that they’re far more verbally fluent and extroverted. That helps in getting promoted into management. If you’re not a good talker and not socially engaged with others, you won’t get promotions. Also, you have to be willing to kiss your manager’s butt a lot, which favors expressive extroverts.

    As for women, here’s a study that found that Indian men were the least successful in online dating.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    Another study also found that Indian men were the least successful race. Even less than Asians. There are also studies (from the UK) on STI infection that found that Chinese are more likely to have chlamydia than Indians&Pakis, which indicates that Chinese men are more sexually active.

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  282. @DukeofQin
    The Indian march through the boardrooms of Western corporations is due three factors.

    1) Near native command of English, something very rare among Chinese even Singaporeans whose English is the best of the lot yet still mediocre.

    2) A more extroverted attitude. E.g. I deserve this promotion, screw that other guy.

    3) Wholesale ethnic nepotism. A Chinese will tipoff another Chinese to a position that isn't being publically advertised, but generally aren't in positions to make hiring decisions. An Indian, once ensconced in management, will actively purge his company of non-ethnic Indians and start hiring ethnic Indians beginning with his own relatives.

    It's a winning strategy for individual Indians, however it isn't for their society as a whole because the Indian cultural stratagem as whole is tends to cannibalize itself. They suffer under delusion that because they speak English, they are as competent as the English. This simply isn't true. Basically the way their society is organized, the ratio of "fake it till you make it" bullshitters to actual competent individuals is low. This doesn't matter as long as they are not in India because there are more people to take advantage of, but when most other people around you are operating using the same parasitic firmware, it tends to collapse into a giant pile of mediocrity. Hence all the Indian MBA's in Western business C-suites, yet zero Indian companies that are actually capable of competing with global companies in their own fields.

    I agree with the first three points. Indians beat Asians in corporate politics due to higher extraversion, superior verbal fluency, and very aggressive ethnic networking.

    I’m less sure about the last point. There are lots of globally competitive Indian software companies, but they’re mostly involved in outsourcing. They don’t produce much of real value. So I don’t know.

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  283. @The most deplorable one
    I always thought that Roosh was Armenian. I guess the Armenian Holocaust was pretty effective.

    I always thought that Roosh was Armenian.

    He’s an ethnic Armenian from what is today the Republic of Turkey.

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  284. BenKenobi says:
    @Autochthon

    Knights: An elf can also become a knight in the service of a monarch. The elf can do so upon swearing fealty, with no alteration to the basic elven character class. Elven knights prefer elven monarchs, but otherwise may swear fealty to a human monarch, although the latter is rare.
     
    From optional rules by Bruce Heard, published in Dragon magazine (http://annarchive.com/files/Drmg178.pdf)

    Seems like an awful lot of pretzel logic to allow Elves to be Knights.

    ‘course I was talkin’ Paladins, bro.

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    Those same rules allow for elvish paladins (and avengers) too. I wrote about knights because that's all I was ever writing about, until the previous sentence; you brought up paladins as a refutation of my remark that one could play an elvish knight. I know not why.

    Bruce Heard worked with Gygax and Arneson for years, and effectively ran the D&D line (as opposed to AD&D) after Arneson left TSR, so teach his grandma to suck eggs about "pretzel logic" if you want.

    Doubtless everyone else would read about paint drying or grass growing with more interest, though.
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  285. @Ed
    Maybe there's a class/personality distinction between IT & Finance Indians. All I know is that many of my Indian b-school classmates were gregarious & a blast to hang out with & I saw a few of them pull white girls with own eyes. One is married to a white woman.

    Now the IT consultant guys at my work do come across as more of the stereotypical wallflower types.

    The vast majority of middle&upper class Indians go into IT. Finance is a rareified field, which (as Piltdown Man suggested) may drawn from India’s prep school elites. The IT guys are far more representative of the population.

    I’m curious what university you attended. At my university’s B-School, there were a fair number of Indians. They were outgoing and gregarious too (as you mentioned), but way too awkward and unattractive to pull much of anything. Lots of them had arranged marriages planned. The accent is a huge deal killer when dating. A lot of them emit a weird curry smell too.

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