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Reality TV shows have been popular on American TV for about two decades. The 1990s were a decade of high pay for actors. For example, NBC offered Jerry Seinfeld $110 million to make one more season of Seinfeld in 1998-1999, on top of the one million dollars per episode for the three supporting actors, or a total of $176 million to the four stars. Not surprisingly, the television industry then turned toward shows that would feature amateur talent who could be motivated by a grand prize of one … million … dollars!

That leads to the question of whether there are any feminist reality TV shows? We have lots of feminist unreality TV shows like The Handmaid’s Tale. But, while I can’t say that I’ve watched all the reality TV, not many of them seem terribly in sync with feminist demands. Certainly, reality TV likes pushy female characters like Omarosa on Trump’s The Apprentice. But still …

It’s easy to imagine reality TV shows that would put prized feminist theories to the test. For example, reproduce the Marines’ Infantry Officer Course for a dozen women contestants with a one million dollar prize for whoever gets the furthest. Audiences like competitions, they like fit young women, and they like the Marines.

But for some reason we never get any of these.

 
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  1. Whitney says:

    Wasn’t there one season of Survivor where they divided it into men’s camps and women’s camps? I think it all broke down because the men got busy and set up a camp and the women bickered the whole time.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @J.Ross
    , @TheBoom
  2. But audiences like attractive fit young women. Remember the female graduates of Ranger School? One decent looking, though a bit too muscular for her frame, reducing her attractiveness. The other, not so much.

  3. AKAHorace says:

    Not sure if the female Marine boot camp would sell. What attracts people to reality TV shows is not the physical challenges so much as people getting ahead through backstabbing and intrigue. Then again I have never been in the Marines.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  4. I saw two fat, short White Lesbians throw punches at each other on the IRT in 1999. I assumed that they were ill mannered tourists. Somebody took a picture of the mayhem. Did that count as REALITY TeeVee?

  5. So, you don’t count any of the Housewives of … shows as either feminist or reality, much less both? These are, after all, the über-predators of the gender.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  6. sabril says:

    That’s a really good idea. Most reality TV shows are fake anyway, so someone should create a reality show that portrays women as being smarter and tougher than men. A lot of women will eat that up, just like children love movies which portray adults as bumbling idiots.

    Actually, I vaguely recall that there was a sports show called “Battle of the Sexes” back in the 80s. But in that show, the women were openly handicapped.

  7. jim jones says:
    @Whitney

    You mean like this?

    • Replies: @Whitney
  8. American Ninja Warrior would seem to qualify as a feminist show. But would that be 2nd wave feminism? Certainly not the current man-hating version. I haven’t noticed any trans- participants on the show. The surgery must throw off your balance.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  9. CAL2 says:

    Cooking contest shows. House flipping shows. Big Brother.

  10. watson79 says:

    The question answers itself.To quote a wise man,”there are two kinds of women, beautiful women, and feminists”.

  11. B36 says:

    Not exactly what you are talking about, but American Ninja Warrior has some very good female contestants. Doubt a woman will ever be a champion, but some of them beat a lot of the male competitors.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  12. The question isn’t if a woman can survive the Marine Infantry Officer Course (Airborne/ Ranger/Special forces school/Seal training, or any other high test military proof) on the same terms as men (which fewer than one in ten thousand women might actually physically be able to do, without any cheating) – it’s what will happen when you have women (or open homosexuals) deployed with men in intimate combat conditions.

    We already know, to a somewhat limited degree, what will happen. Sexual coercion, and assault.

    This is what combat arms guys don’t yet understand. They soon will, though. I’ve served with women in “rear echelons” in military intelligence, and even there it was a minor nightmare. In outright combat, it will be far, far worse.

    Everyone focuses on the fact that women have far less upper body and cardiovascular strength than men. That on average they can carry far less, run far slower, and in almost every category except abdominal strength (measured by sit ups on the now just recently obsolete Army PT Test, where women achieve near parity) are far weaker than men. On the bell curves of most physical measurements, the strongest women overlap the lower 10 to 30% of men – Those weaker men are generally rejected by the military. On these masculine terms, most – excepting only the strongest 10-30% of – women slide by solely on the the dual standard established on basis of their sex.

    Women also have a deployed rate of attrition 3 to 5 times that of men. They get injured up to five times more often than men do, they get pregnant (which gets you out of deployment free of major life altering consequences) and fat out more often (exceed body fat standards, also an honorable discharge)..

    [MORE]

    That’s in regular forces. Forget elite standards, women can’t meet those male benchmarks at all.

    But lack of physical and psychological strength isn’t the main reason women don’t belong in combat units, or even in the military generally.

    The actual devastating reason is sexual desire and particular relationship based in erotic attraction.

    The military is a totalitarian society where hierarchy is everything. Your command has life and death authority over you. You can’t simply quit if things go wrong. If your chain of command is corrupt, if your commander – on any level, and if you are enlisted there are always many levels above you – is out to get you, you are fucked. Sometimes (even if everyone involved is male and a putative “heterosexual”) literally.

    In the military, the executive and judicial functions are fused. That means your command is both prosecution and judge, as well as (in the case of court martial) jury. Not only that, if civilian felony law applies you will usually face double jeopardy under the UCMJ. Constitutional rights? If you are under the UCMJ, to hell with them. Your JAG corps lawyer (your “public defender”) will facilitate your command.

    Sex has no place under this regime. This is why adultery (seducing anyone in your chain of command’s wife, up or down the line) is a crime under the UCMJ.

    That’s why Petraeus should have been busted in rank down to E1: he betrayed a subordinate by screwing his wife. Like David screwed Bathsheba and murdered her husband, his loyal soldier Uriah. Utterly unforgivable by anyone under his command.

    That’s why women and open homosexuality in the ranks will destroy our military.

    Put a woman (multiple women?) in an infantry unit stationed on a hill in (say) the Hindu Kush for three to six months. Close quarters, no privacy, very intimate conditions, enemies shooting at and trying to kill her, surrounded by late teen and twenty something testosterone addled men engaged in systemic acts of violence. She’s *literally* fucked. Multiple times over. Along with her entire unit.

    “Unit cohesion?” Their sanity, her mental and bodily integrity? Finished. Forget the Taliban, they are all done.

    Her platoon, company, battalion commander or one of his friends digs her bones? She’s screwed. They have life and death authority over her, and all of her potential boyfriends. All the men in her unit that like her can either frag her or anyone that they are jealous of.

    Imagine our coed infantry facing the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Koreans on terms like the Chosin Reservoir. Sex will pollute everything.

    Game over. The enemy will be fucking our women after our guys are through.

    The same logic applies to open homosexuality. Your commander or his buddies digs your bones. There’s nothing you can do to stop him using his power corrosively. You’re *literally* fucked. Homosexual Eros will pervert every relationship in a unit when everyone needs to trust everybody else, when the enemy is trying to kill us.

    That’s why this sexual revolution crap, this insanity, must end. But it won’t, not until it is far too late. We’re that batshit crazy.

    Which is why we are all fucked.

    Just lay back, relax, and hum the Chinese national anthem.

    It’ll all be over before we know it..

    • Agree: Hunsdon
    • Replies: @fitzhamilton
    , @Anonymous
  13. njguy73 says:

    Feminist reality shows:
    - So You Think You Can Be Intersectional
    - Who Want To Deconstruct Patriarchal Texts?
    - My Big Fat Obnoxious Encounter Session

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @anonymous
  14. There can be no feminist reality show, because there is no feminist reality (https://antifeministpraxis.com/the-poison-manifesto/). Feminism dispenses with objective reality while, of necessity, relying on it, as did The Party in Orwell’s “1984″:

    “For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?” REST of this chapter: https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/chapter3.3.html

    And, of course, Marshall McLuhan’s assertion that “the medium (TV) is the message” applies here: just sit passively and accept abject nonsense uncritically. You will be assimilated.

    Lastly: “When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ― Theodore Dalrymple

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @PiltdownMan
  15. CK says:

    Arnold’s one season attempt at doing The Apprentice started with men against women.
    Same results, women talked and felt and men worked and won.

  16. The question could have ended at the fifth word.

    Is there any feminist reality?

    • LOL: Bubba, Thomm
  17. TGGP says: • Website

    Sarah Gertrude Shapiro, a former producer on “The Bachelor”, went on to create a scripted satire of the behind-the-scenes on their old show called “Unreal”, which is partly about how nominally feminist women working in reality tv exploit the amateur suckers who sign up to be on it.

    • Replies: @Danindc
  18. Camille Paglia is always praising the various Housewives series as being quite pro-female. I’ve never seen them but her contention is that they show women in their arch, social form and they’re honest therefore they’re fundamentally feminist.

  19. unit472 says:

    I’ve mentioned this before but it underlies the prevalence of ‘reality TV programming. Discovery TV’s CEO let slip on CNBC that his channels only pay an average of $400,000/hour for Reality TV programming whereas original dramatic programming costs $10 million per hour. So shows like “Life Below Zero’ or ‘Deadliest Catch’ not only get good ratings they are far more profitable.

    The problem is that women don’t do the kind of dangerous and extreme work that people enjoy watching and any women that do appear are not ‘feminists’ but women doing men’s jobs.

    Even car shows like Gas Monkeys wherein men rebuild autos only have women doing the upholstery work not the mechanical and body work.

  20. I can’t top A.M.’s comment, but since I happened to catch an episode or two of Naked and Afraid a few years back, I’ve not watched ANY reality show, much less a feminist one. Come to think of it, I don’t watch any TV at all, as they don’t have re-runs of Seinfeld or The Office anymore. They’ve got their work cut out for them.

    Oh, I guess they could show this crap at the airports. Lots of them have the TV’s up way too high to unplug, and then the speakers are placed all over, even if you’re 100 yards away from the screen. Gotta keep those ratings up!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  21. My daughter was raised on the east coast, in the suburbs of a “People’s Republic of” city, graduated from a left-wing college (as if there are any other kind [besides Hillsdale]), after majoring in a non-STEM discipline, and now lives in a big city on the west coast. Whenever we visit, she goofs on me for being an extra-chromosome conservative.

    Her favorite TV show? That Bachelor/Bachelorette stuff.* To me, that says something about contemporary feminism.

    *She also loves Impractical Jokers (as do I) and all those house-flipping shows. I don’t know if that says anything.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  22. Thea says:

    The Handmaid’s Tale reveals a truth about the female psyche that is not at all feminist but somehow they miss it. It is a fantasy about women being desired and dominated but shhh

  23. Coag says:

    As American grand strategy shifts away from traditional understandings of decisive military outcomes pursued in the national interest, and toward perpetual taxpayer subsidization of uncivic arms manufacturers who have a vested interest in chronic, ineffective, and endless ant-activity on global battlefields, we find that recent insanities like agitation for female combat infantry and the turning of Dept of Defense into a world-leading sex change surgery provider to in fact be in complete concordance with the current grand strategy of expensive ineffectiveness.

  24. @fitzhamilton

    By the by, I have personal knowledge about this story:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=monterey+herald+homosexuality+DLI&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

    It played all over the major media back in 2002-3, and the story was always that the big bad homophobes in command were expelling badly needed Arabic linguists as we were going to war in Iraq.

    If the media were only aware of the concept “gaying out.” Under “don’t ask, don’t tell” all you had to do was tell, and you got an honorable discharge.

    That meant that you could join the military, go to basic, then DLI – all of which takes about two years, all as a trainee – and get two thirds of your college loans (1/3 for each year served) paid off, and a sterling language education in the language of your choice (if you were smart when you signed your enlistment contract) and then – as the country went to war – you conveniently get caught in a compromising situation..

    Two years, well compensated, a world class language education, honorable discharge.

    I’m not naming any names. Or divulging the length of the list.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  25. Feminists know on some level that they have based their lives on lies, fantasies and myths. A feminist reality series would have to confront them with that fact.

    Also I could see pressure on the producers of this genre of television to include transgender losers and misfits. Because transgenders tend to fall into the Uncanny Valley and give normal people the creeps, the camera would show this in the normal women’s body language as they have to interact with these degenerates.

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Off topic…

    Go on over to the Stefan Molyneux Channel on UNZ REVIEW…go read my response to the creepy psychopath Stefan Molyneux…video:Carlson-Shapiro debate…..you might learn something from my response to Molyneux…..in defense of Comrade Tucker Carlson….

  27. haole says:

    I want to see a young white feminist teacher going to a public school run by middle aged black feminists.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  28. Quite the contrary: A big purpose of reality TV is to provide women a place to enjoy depictions of girly-girl behavior (“Bridezilla” and so forth) without having to think about feminist orthodoxy.

    https://entertainment.theonion.com/woman-takes-short-half-hour-break-from-being-feminist-t-1819576049

  29. OT – I saw The Greatest Showman last night.

    A terrible movie for lots of reasons, IBNLT: the modern negrophilia pop music, the historical ret conning, and of course, WHITE MAN BAD, WHITE MAN RACIST.

    It’s to the point where every single show now must pry some racist whitey angle into the storyline. It’s almost as bad as during the early 80′s when every hit song featured Michael McDonald on back up vocals.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @NickG
  30. mmack says:

    Steve,

    I thought we had a feminist Reality TV series this past summer. It was set in Washington D.C., the series lead was a terrible actress who couldn’t convince people about a recovered memory plot line, and supporting actresses popped up and dropped out daily. There was a spin-off series about the lives and loves of a sleazy supporting role lawyer, but that series is on hiatus due to legal issues with the star.

  31. Oh, wait, The Office‘s Michael Scott appears in Survivorman:

  32. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve reality tv has passed. You are about ten years plus out of date.

    Sure it’s cheap but almost impossible to resell particularly in foreign markets for anything other than chump change.

    The trend now is limited run series, ala streaming, and no name actors out of Broadway to cut costs like NBCs Manifest.

    A show like say Numbers still makes money in syndication. A show like Undercover Boss does not.

    Scripted shows dwarf the amount of reality tv.

    Seinfeld was a great problem to have. The studio still would have made money if the cast took the deal. Seinfeld still makes lots of money. Jersey Shore not so much

    • Replies: @Ayatollah
  33. cthoms says:

    Audiences like competitions, they like fit young women, and they like the Marines.

    The heck with that, the definitive research was completed 50 years ago, Abraham Lincoln’s Doctors Dog. If you can’t trust Wally Cox, who can you trust.

    At any rate, it looks like DJ is all over it. Substituting a crying Asian man for a fit young woman is certainly something most audiences won’t through a fit over.

  34. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Old fogey
  35. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    MILF Island? Wait, that was fiction.

    25 Super-Hot Moms, 50 eighth grade boys, no rules.

  36. Isn’t MSNBC one really long feminist reality show?

  37. Mr. Anon says:

    My impression has been that, apart from women who actually dress like the women in The Handmaids Tail (Mennonites, etc.), every woman nowadays claims to be a feminist. I’m sure the women who appear on these shows would all claim to be feminists and that their appearance on these clown-shows is “empowering”, even as they humiliate themselves vying for the affections of a rich bachelor.

    As was often the case, the Onion distills these things down to their essence (NSFW):

    VH1 Reality Show Bus Crashes In California Causing Major Slut Spill

    • Replies: @anonymous
  38. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: Nick Ayers is likely to become Trump’s new chief of staff. According to his Wikipedia article, he is 36 years old and has spent his entire career as a political consultant and functionary in various party organizations (RNC, Republican Governors Association, etc.). He is listed as being worth somewhere between 12 and 56 million dollars. Being a political hack can be a pretty good living, it seems. I’m sure he is motivated by what is best for the American people and the ordinary Republican voters who sent his new boss to the Whitehouse.

  39. American Ninja Warrior does not segregate contestants based on sex. All contestants run the same obstacle course. Women never advance far.

  40. @MikeatMikedotMike

    It’s almost as bad as during the early 80′s when every hit song featured Michael McDonald on back up vocals.

    Or the 1970s, when every white R&B band had to prove their bona fides by bringing a trio of black girls on tour with them. I’m pretty sure that trend was what Lou Reed was mocking in “Walk on the Wild Side”.

  41. Travis says:

    American Ninja Warrior is the reality show which does test Feminist theory and allows women to compete with the men. Both Male and female contestants must complete the same obstacles course…for the first few years they did reserve some spaces for the women to compete, since no women could qualify for the final event…but eventually a few women were able to qualify.

    In the 2017 national finals, a record 41 competitors successfully completed Stage 1, including Allyssa Beird, the second woman to complete Stage 1. When Kacy Catanzaro made it up the warped wall in 2014, she became the first woman ever to complete an “American Ninja Warrior” qualifying course. Later that year, she also became the first woman to finish a city finals course and qualify for the National Finals in Las Vegas. While hundreds of men qualify for the finals each year, only a handful of females have ever qualified.

    American Ninja Warrior is now in its 10th season and thus far only one contestant has ever completed the final obstacle course to win the $1,000,000 prize…..thus over the last 10 seasons the payouts to contestants is just $100,00 per season….second place finisher receive zero prize money.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  42. Ayatollah says:
    @Whiskey

    He’s not ten years off. All those Real Housewives shows are more recent than that. And The Bachelor and The Bachelorette were popular in the last few years, even if they aren’t now.

    All of those shows are about as in line with feminist orthodoxy as HBO’s Entourage, but that’s partly due to the fact that they only cast aspiring actresses, aspiring models, Zumba instructors, etc.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  43. It’s the long Thanksgiving weekend, so there must be a lot of random TV watching going on in the Sailer household. That would explain this posting.

    My wife watches the Real Housewives shows, and I tease her: “You are a mathematician from Europe. You have two graduate degrees, and you speak three languages. Why do you watch this crap?”

    “I need mindless entertainment.”

    True, but she is also a girly-girl, and anti-feminist. She loves to laugh at the cat fights and to see the nouveau riche displays, the hair and makeup, and the women who seem to be trying their damnedest to look like porn stars.

    I like to wander into the living room and say things like, “look at the boobs.” (All of the Housewives have boob jobs.)

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  44. Danindc says:
    @TGGP

    Burning Love, a parody of the Bachelor is probably the funniest show in the last 5 years. It was a web series. Link to season 1 episode 1

    • Replies: @dvorak
  45. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    OT – another little trial balloon brought to you by the Deep State:

    A group of medical researchers has proposed that the best way to protect genetic information is for people to deposit their DNA into a huge database.

    Currently, the genetic information of millions of people is stored on a vast number of public and private databases, and experts are concerned that this DNA data is not secure from government meddling.

    The team says that creating a giant database would enhance people’s protection by making the system more regulated.

    As we all know, the best protection against government overreach is more regulation by government.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6420957/Share-DNA-protect-privacy-databases.html

  46. I recall reading an interesting question somewhere not long ago (maybe on this site):

    It makes sense in athletics to have sex-separated men’s and women’s divisions because of the simple obvious differences in strength, speed, size, etc.

    But there are also men’s and women’s divisions in pro Chess leagues, despite chess involving zero physical exertion. Why?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    , @sabril
  47. @Almost Missouri

    After we’ve discovered the “Feminist Reality” we can work on discovering the elusive “Feminist Sense of Humor.”

    #CancelNetflix.

  48. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @PseudoNhymm

    Some women do. E.g., this gal, who’s working as a stunt woman on the next Wonder Woman.

    http://dccomicsnews.com/2018/09/10/american-ninja-warrior-champ-heads-to-themyscira-for-wonder-woman-1984/

    The course is harder on women because some obstacles reward height/reach, and the women with the requisite power/weight ratio tend to be short.

  49. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Travis

    What’s amazing is that despite the paucity of prize money paid out there are gyms focused on training people for the competition.

    They ought to bring back American Gladiators, IMO. That had antagonists in addition to obstacles.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Twinkie
  50. kihowi says:

    I’d like a show where the number one woman in whatever competitive activity competes against the male number 1000.

    Actually that might still be unfair. Maybe a good male amateur.

    The first few episodes would be not very controversial. MMA, weightlifting, etc. But as the season goes on the strength aspect gradually gets phased out until it’s darts, chess, starcraft and such. Doesn’t even have to be an established sport. Could be map reading, driving, memorizing, drawing.

    How much does a tv series cost? A few million? Pretty cheap redpill a whole nation forever.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  51. Tiny Duck says:

    Yoking fit women?

    That sound like objectification

  52. @unit472

    unit, Sue Atkins makes “Life Below Zero” watchable. Her soliloquies are hilarious.

    • Replies: @unit472
  53. who the heck watches television?

    nobody. well, people over 60.

    and what boomer, old america, USA version 1.0 people want to watch feminist reality television? none of them. there’s no market for that. the market is for what old people will watch. nothing else.

    television is dead. once the the old people die off, television will disappear. they’re the only thing keeping it around, and viewers are in decline every year, matching the natural decline of it’s only viewing demographic.

    there are no ‘trends in television’ worth talking about, because television is becoming a wasteland, like myspace.

  54. @B36

    B36, you don’t beat a competitor, you beat the course. Yeah, I know, sometimes I’m anal.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  55. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @fitzhamilton

    That’s why the navy girls get pregnant when they’re transferred from a base in Italy, Puget Sound San Diego S Carolina to a ship in the Straights of Hormuz

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @Twinkie
  56. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Oberlin College ought to be getting tired of SJW nonsense right now. They’re being sued by an SJW prof they fired for her anti-Semitic social media posts. They’re already fighting the bakery lawsuit, and now they have another one on their hands. I wonder if they’ll just double down on SJW politics or back off if they keep ending up being sued.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2018/11/15/professor-fired-anti-semitic-posts-sues-oberlin

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  57. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist

    Bruce Jenner had a trans reality show for a while. I saw a few minutes of it once. They were just caricatures of trans to women. They were all so big and husky with huge feet and hands with long red acrylic nails and dainty evening gown type sandals on their big ugly feet.

    They were way overdressed in the kind of fancy daytime dresses one wears to a wedding big hair lots of red red lipstick and bright eye shadow.

    Of course they hadn’t bothered to take movement deportment and ballet classes so they strode and stomped around, swung their arms plopped down on chairs and spread out.

    Contrast them with the ladylike trannies of San Francisco who strictly dieted to be thin. They Took classes in movement, walked, sat and moved more less like women . The always wore skirts and dresses and shoulder length hair and managed to pass for women. Only thing that betrayed them was their height and then look at their hands.

    But Bruce Jenner and the trannies on his show were just ugly, big, fat and awful. If I were a tranny I’d complain they were a grotesque stereotype hateful and promoting hateful stereotypes.

  58. @The Alarmist

    Better yet try Jersey Whores, oops Jersey Shores.

  59. @fitzhamilton

    It played all over the major media back in 2002-3, and the story was always that the big bad homophobes in command were expelling badly needed Arabic linguists as we were going to war in Iraq.

    Who other than homophiles would bother learning the language of the Sotadic zone?

  60. Whitney says:
    @jim jones

    Yes. Exactly. And she goes on and on about how much they need from the guys and then it’s so annoying that the guys then want something from the women. She just thinks she can take and take and take and never have to give. I hate my sex these days

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  61. @Dave Pinsen

    They ought to bring back American Gladiators, IMO. That had antagonists in addition to obstacles.

    Hell, just bring back Roman gladiators. I’m sure you could find some island microstate willing to amend their laws to host it. For a modest fee.

  62. Old fogey says:
    @Anon

    Many thanks for the Camille Paglia link. She is one of my all-time heroes.

  63. @Anon

    If the Navy had any guts this would literally be made illegal.

  64. @PseudoNhymm

    And American Ninja never pays any of the contestants…yet every year more and more seek to compete , knowing that nobody ever wins, because the final stage is impossible to finish. No females have made it past the second stage , and only a few men have made it to stage 3….would people play jeopardy if nobody ever won a dime ? If the final question could never be answered and contestants were forced to wager everything on the final question?

  65. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    Most feminists oppose reality, on principle alone. Reality casts a bad light on feminists and feminism, making them look overweight and obnoxious. Only fantasy and fiction can make the case that feminists call True Feminism. With artistic license and large doses of scripted situations.

  66. Anon101 says:

    Officers are expected to meet higher standards of physical fitness. If you plan to lead men into battle, you need to be able to lead. I know, that seems ableist, but those are the facts.

    Those with 44″ waistlines trying to command from a desk don’t work out so well, as the Iraqis found out in Desert Storm.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  67. Sean says:

    Some can get through the physician standards, be trained to kill and issue effective commands, but women will hardly ever be able to lead an attack at real danger to their lives. If the mission demands that the unit sacrifice itself then the officer must have the strength to die first. Women will not do that (nor will many men admittedly). It is not fair to women to expect that getting through a training course is going to make them men.

    Officer training is tough because they have a lot of candidates. A selection test that women can pass is one that fewer men will even want to apply to.

  68. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @njguy73

    Those sound excellent. Count me in.

    Also,
    - My Trigger Free Life
    - Leave Us the Beaver
    - Castratin’ Bitches, You Go Girl!

  69. unit472 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sue on Life Below Zero is also the only person not really in the wilderness. She runs an airport and has electricity!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  70. asdf says:

    The WNBA is unpopular because of the Patriarchy. Discuss, dissertate amongst yourselve’s.

  71. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Whitney

    I was once a roommate with a guy who loved a show that was like a two-person, one-episode Survivor. The two people were always a man and a woman, and except for one over-achieving man, all the men I saw did all the work.

  72. @I, Libertine

    Guess the first time Fox TV had a #1 show with 18-34 females? Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire won that distinction.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  73. @haole

    That’s so evil I bet we’re related!

  74. @Buzz Mohawk

    Probably the most underrated medical advancement of the 20th century. Which is disturbing in many ways.

  75. @Reg Cæsar

    The Olympics had MMA a few games back. The ancient Greek sport prankation?, something like that. A few more rules than no eye gouging, no biting and no punches to the front of the throat, though.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  76. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Ayatollah

    No, I meant on the breadth of reality shows. Sure there some still around, but the big craze for them ten years ago is dead.

    The rise of streaming in particular has completely altered the production landscape. I don’t have the figures handy but both the WSJ and FT ran stories showing the complete shift in emphasis … from Reality to Scripted.

    Reality is still cheaper, but the problem is the public appetite has waned, it does not sell well on streaming save Amazon’s version of Top Gear, and it is nearly impossible to sell abroad at revenues approaching even a show like Monk or Numbers.

    If you have a scripted dramatic series, that runs at least 100 episodes, you can make substantially more in total revenue streams than the quick slash and burn of reality tv. Of which the networks are rolling out their own ultra cheap time fillers — the America’s Got Talent, the Voice, etc.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/fx-chief-scripted-originals-set-top-520-2018-1073348

    Scripted Shows above in link to top 520. Nearly all growth in Streaming.

    • Replies: @E e
  77. TheBoom says:
    @Whitney

    The battle of the sexes on Surviver was also to my mind as a great moment in feminist TV. Men using their toxic masculinity (e.g., calmly deciding on division of labor) to crush the dreams of womyn.

  78. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    But there are also men’s and women’s divisions in pro Chess leagues, despite chess involving zero physical exertion. Why?

  79. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @fitzhamilton

    Sex has no place under this regime. This is why adultery (seducing anyone in your chain of command’s wife, up or down the line) is a crime under the UCMJ.

    The following explanation seems legit:

    So, is adultery still an offense under the military justice system?
    Yes, and no. It depends on the circumstances.

    You may be surprised to learn that adultery is not listed as an offense in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The UCMJ is a federal law, enacted by Congress, to govern legal discipline and court martials for members of the armed forces. Articles 77 through 134 of the UCMJ encompasses the “punitive offenses” (these are crimes one can be prosecuted for). None of those articles specifically mentions adultery.

    Adultery in the military is prosecuted under Article 134, which is also known as the “General Article.” Article 134 prohibits conduct which is of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, or conduct which is prejudicial to good order and discipline.

    The UCMJ allows the President of the United States to administer the UCMJ by writing an Executive Order, known as the Manual for Court Martial (MCM). The MCM includes the UCMJ and also supplements the UCMJ by establishing “Elements of Proof,” (exactly what the government must *prove* to prosecute an offense), an explanation of offenses, and maximum permissible punishments for each offense (among other things). While the MCM is an Executive Order, enacted by the President, in reality, much of the contents are a result of military and federal appeals court decisions.

    One of the things that the MCM does is to expand article 134 into various “sub-articles.” One of these “sub-articles” covers the offense of adultery (Article 134, paragraph 62).

    Adultery, as a military offense, is difficult to prosecute (legally) for several reasons.

    There are three “Elements of Proof” for the offense of Adultery in the Military:

    That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;
    That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and
    That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

    Element #1 can be very hard to prove. Remember, a court-martial (like civilian court) requires *proof* beyond a reasonable doubt. Proof of sexual intercourse normally requires photographs, a confession of one of the parties involved, an eye-witness, or other legally admissible proof. (The mere fact that someone stayed over at another individual’s house, or even slept with them in the same bed is not proof of sexual intercourse.

    Element #2 is usually pretty easy for the government to prove. There is normally sufficient written evidence to prove whether or not someone is legally married. (Many folks will be surprised to learn that in the military, a single person can be charged with the crime of adultery).

    Element #3, in many cases, can be the most difficult item to prove. The government must show that the individual’s conduct had some direct negative impact on the military. This normally would include cases of fraternization (officer & enlisted) or a relationship with another military member, or a military spouse.

    Some of you may remember the famous Lt. Kelly Flynn case of a few years back. Lt. Kelly Flynn was the Air Force’s first female B-52 pilot. Unfortunately, Lt. Flynn was an unmarried officer who was having an affair with a married civilian. Lt. Flynn was advised by a First Sergeant and later ordered by her Commander, to terminate the affair. She broke up with her “boyfriend,” but later they got back together, and, when asked about it, Lt. Flynn lied. Lt. Flynn was then charged with the offenses of adultery, giving a false official statement, conduct unbecoming of an officer, and disobeying an order of a superior commissioned officer.

    So, where was the “military connection” for the adultery charge? Well, the civilian “boyfriend,” was the husband of an active duty enlisted Air Force member, stationed at the same base as Lt. Flynn. Therefore, Lt. Flynn’s “affair” had a direct negative impact on the morale of that military service member (the enlisted wife is the one who originally complained about the inappropriate actions of Lt. Flynn).

    Lt. Flynn didn’t face a military court, however; she was allowed to resign her commission instead of court-martial (lots of media attention probably had something to do with this decision by the Air Force).

    In 1998, the Clinton Administration authored a change to the Manual for Courts-Martial, which provided that cases of adultery be handled at the lowest appropriate level. Clinton provided specific guidance for commanders to use to determine whether or not the member’s conduct was “prejudicial to good order and discipline,” or “of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.” While the President does have the authority to issue changes to the MCM, this proposal resulted in screams and yells from Congress and was subsequently dropped.

    However, in a very quiet move, in 2002, President Bush adopted many of the changes that were proposed by President Clinton. In addition to the Elements of Proof,” the “Explanation” section under this offense now requires commanders to consider several factors when determining whether or not the offense of “adultery” constitutes a crime.

    Simply copulating with a person not your spouse is not military adultery. Under the UCMJ there has to be an element of “prejudicial to order”, which usually means screwing someone in your chain of command or the spouse thereof. Boffing some B-girl in Bangkok or a horny milf at the motel after an airshow appearance or that kind of thing may be adultery in the eyes of the Deity or a divorce court, but not under the UCMJ.

  80. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    A friend of mine bought a rebuilt 4-53T Detroit Diesel engine from this huge lesbian who claimed she had rebuilt it. I told him that he should at least pull the pan and give it the lookover. It had loose bolts on two connecting rods.

  81. @unit472

    unknit, Yes she has electricity from her generator and so do the Hailstones, who actually live in a settlement/town.

  82. I wouldn’t have guessed, but I’m sooo not surprised.

  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    There can be no feminist reality show, because there is no feminist reality

    That sums it up pretty well.

  84. Kyle says:

    While reality tv has been popular for 2 decades, the writers strike in 2007 truly lead to the proliferation of god awful reality shows.
    With reality housewives and reality rednecks, who needs professional writers?

  85. dvorak says:
    @Danindc

    Burning Love, a parody of the Bachelor is probably the funniest show in the last 5 years.

    Written by a woman, Erica Oyama, who knows her own kind.

  86. dvorak says:
    @unit472

    Even car shows like Gas Monkeys wherein men rebuild autos only have women doing the upholstery work not the mechanical and body work.

    Gas Monkey Garage also has tedious office banter between the garage owner and his office ladies.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  87. @Bard of Bumperstickers

    “For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy?

    Well, we did. Or rather, Ptolemy did with his geocentric model in the 2nd century AD, and mathematicians after him did, with increasing degrees of accuracy (and intricacy of math). Until Copernicus put an end to geocentrism in the 1500s with the heliocentric model which was simpler, more elegant mathematically, and more accurate.

    Feminism and race studies are beginning to resemble the late period geocentric model, with intricate wheels within wheels theories trying to explain observable reality, and irritatingly stubborn real-life phenomena still remaining unexplained.

  88. @PseudoNhymm

    I prefer Steve Austin’s Broken Skull Challenge. It also segregates the sexes, and since it is a power & stamina contest, the difference between the male and female competitors is overwhelming.

  89. NickG says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It’s almost as bad as during the early 80′s when every hit song featured Michael McDonald on back up vocals.

    Perhaps pre-saged by Steely Dan’s – magnum opus – the 1977 album Aja – see The Making of Peg.

  90. MBlanc46 says:

    “Feminist” and “reality” do not belong in the same sentence.

  91. MBlanc46 says:
    @Torontotrveller

    You think that “second-wave” feminism wasn’t man-hating? You must be thinking of the “second-wave” feminism in some other possible world.

  92. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    What, you think they’ll run out of money or self-importance?

  93. @Buzz Mohawk

    I haven’t watched Star Trek since it was in prime time, fifty years ago. I forgot how turgid it was.

  94. Lurker says:
    @dvorak

    Does it also have the tedious jeopardy element of all these shows? Will the car/truck be ready in a week, a month etc? (Yes, it always is)

  95. sabril says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It makes sense in athletics to have sex-separated men’s and women’s divisions because of the simple obvious differences in strength, speed, size, etc.

    What would make more sense would be to call the divisions “open” and “women only.” To help people understand that sex divisions in sports are for the benefit of women and women only.

    (Of course with the exception of sports that rely on judges and visual appeal.)

  96. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    That’s why the navy girls get pregnant when they’re transferred from a base in Italy, Puget Sound San Diego S Carolina to a ship in the Straights of Hormuz

    What’s even more horrendous is that some such women are married, with their men back home. So obviously they can’t go home pregnant (by other men). The result is abortion before reuniting with their husbands, but after they are sent back for being pregnant. This problem is much more widespread in the army when women are deployed to locations without ob/gyn care.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  97. Twinkie says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The Olympics had MMA a few games back. The ancient Greek sport prankation?, something like that. A few more rules than no eye gouging, no biting and no punches to the front of the throat, though.

    I think Pakration (“All Powers”) had no such fouls. The crowd would disapprove of poor sportsmanship, such as striking the groin, but it wasn’t barred.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  98. Twinkie says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    They ought to bring back American Gladiators

    Or you can just watch MMA, you know, actual fighting with minimum rules.

  99. There’s truth and varying degrees of the acceptance of truth involved in this.

    Bobby Riggs knew this. He could have played Billie Jean King and won for a quick payday, but knew the longer payout would be more. That is to say, if he had won, he’d be a guy beating a girl (you bad, bad man!). But losing turned it into a media event (and lots of dollars through the decades for the country club tennis/golf hustler). Adding to that, at 55, he had nothing to lose by losing had he been a current pro player.

    I still have to wonder if Billie Jean was in on it. To this day, she claims she wasn’t, but who knows.

    In other words, seeing women get there ass kicked by men generally doesn’t pay on TV, even in Peoria among the He Man Woman Haters Club.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ScarletNumber
  100. Twinkie says:
    @kihowi

    MMA

    What kind of sicko are you? You want to see a man beat a woman senseless in MMA? I mean, most male fighters would probably just take the woman down and arm bar or choke the female and let her off easy, but there is always going to be that one jackass who lays down a fierce beating on a woman.

  101. Twinkie says:
    @Anon101

    Those with 44″ waistlines trying to command from a desk don’t work out so well, as the Iraqis found out in Desert Storm.

    You know, we (Americans) had one general who was doing “maneuvers” in the desert out of communication and out of contact during Desert Storm.

  102. Twinkie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Those swords aren’t going to be sharp very long.

  103. @AKAHorace

    Plenty of potential for Byzantine backstabbing and intrigue in such a show, if they incorporate all the sleeping around and cronyism I’ve seen amongst marines and sailors.

  104. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Riggs would have preferred to beat her but he wasn’t dead nuts sure he could: he was 55 and the game had, after all, changed a lot. But he knew he could lose and he just had to make it look good. According to Taki, he just didn’t play tennis for a couple of months, put on weight, et al, so he really was out of it.

    Meanwhile he bet heavily against himself through mob cutouts and made a pile.

  105. @South Texas Guy

    One could argue that he threw the match because his life was in danger.

  106. @Redneck farmer

    Sadly for the late Jay Thomas, it was only a one-time special.

  107. @Anonymous

    I don’t know about “preferred to beat her.” He had whupped up on whatshername, the reigning #1 seed just a few months prior. I think the quitting of the workouts, practices, etc. was just to make it look more real.
    And like you said, he’d bet against himself, (short term) and saw long term possibitlities (tv appearances, more hustle bet ops) involved. After all, we all know who Bobby Riggs is. Who won Wimbeldon in 1946, or 49 or 52? et. al. He knew about the long game.

  108. @Anonymous

    Haha, great stuff, #427 (and S. TX guy)! I didn’t know there was so much else involved other than this go-grrll stuff, oh, sorry, the 1970′s “I am woman, hear me roar”. What good times Americans still had in the 1970′s! It just seems like nobody took it seriously, on both sides, as they now do a Sarah Jeong tweet. We’ve lost a lot.

    Some of the background (as I now recall some of that Takimag article) reminds me of New Coke for some reason. I wonder how contrived that whole damn deal was. I know they had me pretty pissed off about it!

  109. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Get the electronic device

    TV-B-Gone

    It zaps off TVs everywhere

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  110. Twinkie says:
    @Twinkie

    Pakration

    I meant “Pankration.”

  111. @Buffalo Joe

    To win the final you must have a better time than the competition. Over ten seasons only 2 men completed stage 4 of the final, but only one contestant was the winner, winning by 2 seconds and thus the second place finisher won zero prize money.

    While dozens of men have completed stage 2 , thus far no female has reached stage 3 in American ninja

  112. L Woods says:
    @Twinkie

    Hence my earlier reference to “sordid” behavior. Their conduct is so egregious that even the otherwise lefty/blue pill/whatever types on the military sub-Reddits comment on it constantly. I hate to pull this card, but dudes that haven’t served in today’s military can’t really grasp what an open feminist sewer it’s become.

  113. anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    get a life.

    People are people.

    Not sure if you are gay, pretending to be straight; or straight hoping we believe you are straight; or a transwoman, like Sonny and Cher’s daughter; but I am pretty sure you are fucked up. Anybody who reads the nasty foolishness you just wrote knows that,

    One thing I know is you are not a decent straight-talking man.

    like I said, get a life, stop thinking you are better than other people. Stop living with your idiot impressions, and get a life. If you are a man, be a man, if you are not, be a woman. Stop reading “the Onion” and stop telling us about how much it makes you giggle.

    I know lots of good women, and lots of good men, and I would never say the gossipy thing you said about “every woman nowadays”. You sound like Uncle Fester when you talk that way, dude.

    Of course you are free to have your own opinion, but the world is a better place than you claim it is.

  114. @anonymous

    I assume that was a joke. Otherwise, link please?

  115. Olorin says:

    TV news is the feminist reality TV show.

  116. E e says:
    @Whiskey

    So, should there be a rewrite of “Video Killed the Radio Star” as “Amazon Killed the Reality Star”?

    (Amazon scans better than Netflix or Hulu… But substitute as you wish…)

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