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A panel discussion Monday afternoon at Harvard on a topic I went over in Taki’s Magazine three weeks ago:

Are South Asians a Single Population? Insights from culture, genetics and disease

CGIS S010
1730 Cambridge St.
Cambridge
Mon., Apr. 23, 2018, 4 – 5:30 p.m.

Speaker(s): David Reich, Professor, Harvard Medical School, Priya Moorjani, Assistant Professor of Genetics, Genomics and Development, University of California, Berkeley, Richard Meadow, Director, Zooarchaeology Laboratory, Peabody Museum of Harvard University, Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit, Harvard University, Chair: Venkatesh Murthy, Professor and Chair of Molecular and Cellular Biology

 
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  1. Didn’t Winston Churchill once say something like, “India is no more a nation than the equator?”

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  2. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    Didn’t Winston Churchill once say something like, “India is no more a nation than the equator?”

    Smagrog IV, Grand Morgulkarp of the Orion-Cygnus galactic cluster speaking of his Earthling subjects in 2452 AD, 120 years post-conquest: “Humanity is no more a ‘nation’ than the asteroid belt: they’re a made up people. Let them protest, but Earth is a fictitious nation.

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  3. What’s the difference between “race” and “population”? Are both social constructs?

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    • Replies: @bomag

    What’s the difference between “race” and “population”
     
    Race would contain some genealogical descent of recent enough vintage to matter.

    Population maybe has some such relatedness, but not necessarily.

    , @dearieme
    What’s the difference between “race” and “population”?

    Racism is the vilest vice known to man, populationism less so.
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  4. What we need to focus upon is how to prevent a couple hundred million of them from flooding into civilized nations. As with Africa, they wouldn’t even miss a number like that, but Europe and America will be ruined forever.

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  5. anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    …Chair: Venkatesh Murthy, Professor and Chair of Molecular and Cellular Biology

    Professor Murthy’s website links to this article in the Harvard Gazette that has a little tidbit of information.

    Murthy…[was] an undergraduate…at the Indian Institute of Technology in Chennai (Madras)…where his graduating class (1986) produced two other current Harvard professors: Ananth Raman (Harvard Business School) and L. Mahadevan (Harvard University School of Engineering and Applied Sciences).

    All three of those names are from a single sub-caste endogamous group, Tamil Brahmins, a population of about 1-2 million individuals in a country that has over 3,000 such endogamous groups.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's a sad shame those professorships weren't reserved for American natives.
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  6. Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit, Harvard University

    I remember leafing through Fields of Concentration, the book that outlines what would be called “majors” everywhere else but aren’t at Harvard because Harvard needs to have special names for everything, my freshman year and deciding to check out Sanskrit. The introductory paragraph began, roughly, “Undergraduates are strongly discouraged from concentrating in Sanskrit. Students who do choose the subject must first have mastered at least two inflected languages…”

    Over the course of the next for years I would come to understand that undergraduates were strongly discouraged from studying anything at Harvard, more or less. At least the Sanskrit Department was honest about it.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Over the course of the next for years I would come to understand that undergraduates were strongly discouraged from studying anything at Harvard, more or less. At least the Sanskrit Department was honest about it.
     
    You got into Harvard--that's what's important.

    Studying anything? That's for the losers at Big State U.
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  7. It’s an impossible statement to define. One can speak of populations that are becoming one and those which are separating. What one can say with regards to humans is, do they feel like they are one ethnicity and do they act like it? That’s all ethnogenesis requires.

    In birds there are two subspecies of Redpoll that it is suggested are merging into one another again after being separated by ancient climate conditions.

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  8. Every South Asian at my uni was a member of one of the South Asian frats or sororities. Those clubs had more racial diversity than any other student group. They seemed to have members from all three “major races.” They were like a cross between woke activist student unions and black Greek letter clubs. They agitated for their own group interests, but that they were a single group strained belief.

    One thing is for sure, they did not mix at all with the Northeast Asians, who were either in immigrant cliques or were culturally white ABCs. They disdained whites, but the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans they hated.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They seemed to have members from all three “major races.”

    White, African, and Asian?
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  9. One of the links i like to keep around–for my own understanding and introducing the basic ideas to friends–is an admixture plot Razib did a few years back. He ran with different K, and K=10 yielded the cleanest results and that’s the plot he presented:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/01/an-informative-admixture-plot-perhaps/#.Wt3W0UxFxjr

    Obviously it doesn’t separate out the various jati, but you can look at the data from one state like Gujarat and see almost a 2-1 difference in the amount of steppe ancestry between what i assume are high and low caste individuals. Contrast with the relative uniformity of “Utah Whites” (the Mormons’ founding stock were “Yankees”–dissident protestant Englishmen, mostly from East-Anglia.).

    It’s true that the Han Chinese have a similar–even larger–skew in how much of the Siberian/Mongolian is in their mix. But i assume that’s essentially the north-south cline in the Han. While the Gujus are all there in one state, and 3500 years later the Aryan isn’t well mixed!

    Then drop down and look at say the Kannidigas. Mostly Dravidian, but you have high caste individuals who are almost a quarter Ayran … but half the population has essentially zero Ayran DNA!

    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion. It’s as if we had the American color line and were able to maintain it not for 200, but 3500 years. But not just between phenotypically pretty separate races like blacks and whites, but between say Irish and English and Germans and Dutch and Italians living in the same neighborhood. (Heck my parents couldn’t do that for one generation!)

    Crazy times, crazy endogamy down in the old subcontinent.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion.

    This.

    But what is the point of endogamy?

    , @Escher
    Are you AnotherIndianDad?
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  10. Here’s an interesting graph which displays steppe ancestry by caste.

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  11. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    One of the links i like to keep around--for my own understanding and introducing the basic ideas to friends--is an admixture plot Razib did a few years back. He ran with different K, and K=10 yielded the cleanest results and that's the plot he presented:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/01/an-informative-admixture-plot-perhaps/#.Wt3W0UxFxjr

    Obviously it doesn't separate out the various jati, but you can look at the data from one state like Gujarat and see almost a 2-1 difference in the amount of steppe ancestry between what i assume are high and low caste individuals. Contrast with the relative uniformity of "Utah Whites" (the Mormons' founding stock were "Yankees"--dissident protestant Englishmen, mostly from East-Anglia.).

    It's true that the Han Chinese have a similar--even larger--skew in how much of the Siberian/Mongolian is in their mix. But i assume that's essentially the north-south cline in the Han. While the Gujus are all there in one state, and 3500 years later the Aryan isn't well mixed!

    Then drop down and look at say the Kannidigas. Mostly Dravidian, but you have high caste individuals who are almost a quarter Ayran ... but half the population has essentially zero Ayran DNA!

    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion. It's as if we had the American color line and were able to maintain it not for 200, but 3500 years. But not just between phenotypically pretty separate races like blacks and whites, but between say Irish and English and Germans and Dutch and Italians living in the same neighborhood. (Heck my parents couldn't do that for one generation!)

    Crazy times, crazy endogamy down in the old subcontinent.

    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion.

    This.

    But what is the point of endogamy?

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    • Replies: @rec1man
    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; 3 /4 Indian science Nobels, 50% of Indian Nuke blast team of 1974, Sundar Pichai, Vish Anand, Ramanujam. I have 4 nephews / nieces with US National Merit list

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace
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  12. @AnotherDad
    One of the links i like to keep around--for my own understanding and introducing the basic ideas to friends--is an admixture plot Razib did a few years back. He ran with different K, and K=10 yielded the cleanest results and that's the plot he presented:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/01/an-informative-admixture-plot-perhaps/#.Wt3W0UxFxjr

    Obviously it doesn't separate out the various jati, but you can look at the data from one state like Gujarat and see almost a 2-1 difference in the amount of steppe ancestry between what i assume are high and low caste individuals. Contrast with the relative uniformity of "Utah Whites" (the Mormons' founding stock were "Yankees"--dissident protestant Englishmen, mostly from East-Anglia.).

    It's true that the Han Chinese have a similar--even larger--skew in how much of the Siberian/Mongolian is in their mix. But i assume that's essentially the north-south cline in the Han. While the Gujus are all there in one state, and 3500 years later the Aryan isn't well mixed!

    Then drop down and look at say the Kannidigas. Mostly Dravidian, but you have high caste individuals who are almost a quarter Ayran ... but half the population has essentially zero Ayran DNA!

    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion. It's as if we had the American color line and were able to maintain it not for 200, but 3500 years. But not just between phenotypically pretty separate races like blacks and whites, but between say Irish and English and Germans and Dutch and Italians living in the same neighborhood. (Heck my parents couldn't do that for one generation!)

    Crazy times, crazy endogamy down in the old subcontinent.

    Are you AnotherIndianDad?

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  13. “Are South Asians a Single Population?”

    Well, a lot of them carry the chip-on-the-shoulder gene.

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    A relevant point! Diversity forces you to become arrogant because you are continually confronted with strangers who do not know or recognize your qualifications. It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.
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  14. Anonymous[905] • Disclaimer says:

    On a slightly related note, it has been revealed that the father of one Jeremy Meeks was himself a convicted criminal – a murderer who literally tortured a young woman to death, (even hardened criminals look down on his sort).

    For the uninitiated, Jeremy Meeks, an American mulatto, who has been dubbed the ‘world’s best looking criminal’ is currently ‘in a relationship’ with Chloe Green, the daughter of one Philip Green. Philip Green a British billionaire businessman of the Hebrew persuasion, and renowned and reviled in the UK for his shady (to say the least) business dealings is a leading member of Britain’s Jewish laity.

    In a long running story which is god’s gift to the Daily Mail, the dark side of Jeremy Meeks is laid bare. From a horrid, trashy family, Meeks’s father is quite literally a monster. A truly horrible despicable monster. His mom’s side of the family are pure trash.

    Of course, it goes without saying that Sir Philip, (for that’s what he is), must be appalled and thoroughly disappointed. Not only is his precious daughter’s paramour a gentile, but a black gentile to boot. The family in which he will likely be united in blood is just about as vile and worthless as could be imagined.

    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.

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    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.
     
    I know a fair number of Indians who have had arranged marriages. (And a bunch who didn't.)

    One thought has struck me--especially as my kids have graduated, and reached "marriageable age"--is that with diversity, there's probably a fair number of American parents who would like to be able to arrange marriages for their children.

    The old paradigm--you're in a neighborhood of town or city, and "the girl next door" is a fine match for your boy (the very fact they are "next door" means the social class is a reasonable match and they aren't deadbeats; dad is able to keep a job or his business running)--is gone. College is there, but the kids aren't graduating, getting hitched right up and heading out into adult life. Rather they are ... not getting it done. The on-line option is there, but the kids just aren't driving it ... and who they end up with???

    Seems like an internet arranged marriage introduction service where parents could find potential mates of "the right sort" for their children in this diverse age, could have some appeal.
    , @jimmyriddle
    Green asset stripped the high strret chain BHS - selling and leasing-back the stores, raiding the pension fund and finally selling it to a complete novice for £1.

    The chain went bust a year later and people who had worked there for decades will lose a big chunk of their pensions.

    He isn't quite as bad as Meek's dad, but Meek's mum is a lightweight criminal compared to Philip Green.
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  15. The answer is “No.”

    There, I just saved everybody a trip to Cambridge, Mass.

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  16. @slumber_j

    Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit, Harvard University
     
    I remember leafing through Fields of Concentration, the book that outlines what would be called "majors" everywhere else but aren't at Harvard because Harvard needs to have special names for everything, my freshman year and deciding to check out Sanskrit. The introductory paragraph began, roughly, "Undergraduates are strongly discouraged from concentrating in Sanskrit. Students who do choose the subject must first have mastered at least two inflected languages..."

    Over the course of the next for years I would come to understand that undergraduates were strongly discouraged from studying anything at Harvard, more or less. At least the Sanskrit Department was honest about it.

    Over the course of the next for years I would come to understand that undergraduates were strongly discouraged from studying anything at Harvard, more or less. At least the Sanskrit Department was honest about it.

    You got into Harvard–that’s what’s important.

    Studying anything? That’s for the losers at Big State U.

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  17. @Anonymous
    The Indians, like the Jews have been able to turn endogamy into a religion.

    This.

    But what is the point of endogamy?

    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; 3 /4 Indian science Nobels, 50% of Indian Nuke blast team of 1974, Sundar Pichai, Vish Anand, Ramanujam. I have 4 nephews / nieces with US National Merit list

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace

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    • Replies: @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.
    , @Eagle Eye

    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; ...

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace
     

    2) is quite an amazing achievement: the Tamil Brahmin must have been speaking Tamil for around 2,000 years while still maintaining Sanskrit traditions.

    Tamil is linguistically unrelated to Sanskrit and the other Indo-European languages spoken in Northern India. The history of the Jews is the closest parallel: Jewish populations maintained allegiance to the Jewish bible (finalized around 500 BCE) over centuries while speaking languages unrelated to Hebrew.

    , @DFH

    Preserve Sanskritic Culture
     
    Good job preserving the religion of your conquerors 3000 years later
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  18. @Anonymous
    On a slightly related note, it has been revealed that the father of one Jeremy Meeks was himself a convicted criminal - a murderer who literally tortured a young woman to death, (even hardened criminals look down on his sort).

    For the uninitiated, Jeremy Meeks, an American mulatto, who has been dubbed the 'world's best looking criminal' is currently 'in a relationship' with Chloe Green, the daughter of one Philip Green. Philip Green a British billionaire businessman of the Hebrew persuasion, and renowned and reviled in the UK for his shady (to say the least) business dealings is a leading member of Britain's Jewish laity.

    In a long running story which is god's gift to the Daily Mail, the dark side of Jeremy Meeks is laid bare. From a horrid, trashy family, Meeks's father is quite literally a monster. A truly horrible despicable monster. His mom's side of the family are pure trash.

    Of course, it goes without saying that Sir Philip, (for that's what he is), must be appalled and thoroughly disappointed. Not only is his precious daughter's paramour a gentile, but a black gentile to boot. The family in which he will likely be united in blood is just about as vile and worthless as could be imagined.

    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.

    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.

    I know a fair number of Indians who have had arranged marriages. (And a bunch who didn’t.)

    One thought has struck me–especially as my kids have graduated, and reached “marriageable age”–is that with diversity, there’s probably a fair number of American parents who would like to be able to arrange marriages for their children.

    The old paradigm–you’re in a neighborhood of town or city, and “the girl next door” is a fine match for your boy (the very fact they are “next door” means the social class is a reasonable match and they aren’t deadbeats; dad is able to keep a job or his business running)–is gone. College is there, but the kids aren’t graduating, getting hitched right up and heading out into adult life. Rather they are … not getting it done. The on-line option is there, but the kids just aren’t driving it … and who they end up with???

    Seems like an internet arranged marriage introduction service where parents could find potential mates of “the right sort” for their children in this diverse age, could have some appeal.

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    • Replies: @rec1man
    Jeevansathi.com

    and dozens of similar Indian matrimonial sites

    with Photo, and you can sort by caste, language, diet , religion, occupation etc
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  19. Connecting the Dots.

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  20. A panel discussion Monday afternoon at Harvard on a topic I went over in Taki’s Magazine three weeks ago:

    Is Steve Sailer suggesting that the Harvard panel participants were motivated to discuss Indian ancestral matters by a bit of writing done by Mr. Sailer himself?

    Where is Sailer going with this?

    Is Sailer putting on his trend setter ten gallon hat to boast of his trend setting ability in the Ivy League egghead intellectual arena?

    This sounds like fun, I’ll do it. I’ll use the New York Times.

    I have been writing small bits about the composition of the Democrat Party. I claim that the Democrat Party is made up of Blacks, Jews, Mestizos, Asians, White government workers and other White wackos. So far, so good.

    Now I see the New York Times is riling up the government workers like a sonofabitch. Not necessarily White government workers, that would make their ulterior motive too obvious. It seems that the New York Times is going to try to boost the electoral chances of the Democrat Party by ramping up the number of White government workers who vote for the Democrat Party.

    Now the New York Times knows that it is really the number of White government workers that are highly motivated to vote for the Democrat Party that matters, but they still show a photo of a Black government worker just to not make it so obvious.

    Today’s White government worker story features a fat Black government worker; the photographer caught him while he was at lunch as a cherry on top. What pound test and lure did the photographer use to catch the fat Black government worker? Trade secret, the photographer ain’t saying.

    Now, to match Sailer, I’ll suggest that the editors at the New York Times read the writings of the Alt-Right to see if there is any glimmerings of insight to be found. It could be that focusing on White government workers and other White wackos might be beneficial to the Democrats.

    This whole comment was just for fun.

    This White lady government worker is fat, just not as fat as the fat Black government worker also caught by the photographer for the NY Times:

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    Is Sailer putting on his trend setter ten gallon hat to boast of his trend setting ability in the Ivy League egghead intellectual arena?
     
    Yeah, this schtick of his is like a dog running through the woods trying to piss on every tree, continually trying to take credit for obvious stuff.

    Like his big insight that since white people are the super majority in this country, if you round up enough of their votes but not all of them, you will win an election.

    He thinks it is an insight of epic genius, brings it up a lot, but IMO is/was a patently obvious statistical reality, hardly a strategy.

    Get most of the voters of the overwhelming majority? Geez, took a rare genius to see that?

    And anyhow, even if there is a shred of truth, what has he done lately?

    OT: Current MSM incel stuff is another death throe of the alt-right. Who wants their movement poster-boys to be totally loser guys who can't get a date.

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  21. @AnotherDad

    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.
     
    I know a fair number of Indians who have had arranged marriages. (And a bunch who didn't.)

    One thought has struck me--especially as my kids have graduated, and reached "marriageable age"--is that with diversity, there's probably a fair number of American parents who would like to be able to arrange marriages for their children.

    The old paradigm--you're in a neighborhood of town or city, and "the girl next door" is a fine match for your boy (the very fact they are "next door" means the social class is a reasonable match and they aren't deadbeats; dad is able to keep a job or his business running)--is gone. College is there, but the kids aren't graduating, getting hitched right up and heading out into adult life. Rather they are ... not getting it done. The on-line option is there, but the kids just aren't driving it ... and who they end up with???

    Seems like an internet arranged marriage introduction service where parents could find potential mates of "the right sort" for their children in this diverse age, could have some appeal.

    Jeevansathi.com

    and dozens of similar Indian matrimonial sites

    with Photo, and you can sort by caste, language, diet , religion, occupation etc

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Yes, Indians have all sorts of sites up and running.

    I'm talking about Americans--particularly but not necessarily whites--who'd like their kids to "get on with it", but would like to see it happen with the right sort of spouse from the right sort of family. The stuff that used to happen simply by neighborhood, social circle, college, church--dare i say it "country club"--when the kids actually entered adult life at a reasonable age. (This is of course still going on, but it's much more haphazzard.)
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  22. @rec1man
    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; 3 /4 Indian science Nobels, 50% of Indian Nuke blast team of 1974, Sundar Pichai, Vish Anand, Ramanujam. I have 4 nephews / nieces with US National Merit list

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    Penn Teller lost over a hundred pounds on a vegan diet and came off all his medications.
    , @seeing-thru
    It makes the vegetarian feel good about himself. Further, all those gas-producing complex carbohydrates, beans, lentils, and heavy spices in the case of South Asians, keep the vegetarian full of bloat and wind, sometimes enough to launch him on a space trip with a single fart.
    , @AnotherDad

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.
     
    I'm guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man's Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it's a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device--tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.
    , @rec1man
    My grandfather lived to be 100 ; lots of my aunts and uncles reached 90s ;

    Vegetarianism is more a religious-ethical marker for upper castes, like Brahmins and Merchants, very low ecological foot print

    In the state of Tamil Nadu, the 98% meat eating dravidians need a 69% quota to overcome the IQ gap from the 2% vegetarian Tamil Brahmins

    I run into Mrs.Vish Anand ( chess ) at family gatherings often ( distant relative ) ; seems to improve IQ in the Indian context
    , @Anonymous
    You may be thinking about healthy vegetarian diets. Indian diets are full of sugar and ghee. Whatever the purpose of the Indian vegetarian diet, it isn't about health.
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  23. @Anonymous
    What's the difference between "race" and "population"? Are both social constructs?

    What’s the difference between “race” and “population”

    Race would contain some genealogical descent of recent enough vintage to matter.

    Population maybe has some such relatedness, but not necessarily.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's almost a certainty that these professors are using "population" in way that includes common genealogy.
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  24. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    ...Chair: Venkatesh Murthy, Professor and Chair of Molecular and Cellular Biology
     
    Professor Murthy's website links to this article in the Harvard Gazette that has a little tidbit of information.

    Murthy...[was] an undergraduate...at the Indian Institute of Technology in Chennai (Madras)...where his graduating class (1986) produced two other current Harvard professors: Ananth Raman (Harvard Business School) and L. Mahadevan (Harvard University School of Engineering and Applied Sciences).
     
    All three of those names are from a single sub-caste endogamous group, Tamil Brahmins, a population of about 1-2 million individuals in a country that has over 3,000 such endogamous groups.

    It’s a sad shame those professorships weren’t reserved for American natives.

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  25. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    What’s the difference between “race” and “population”
     
    Race would contain some genealogical descent of recent enough vintage to matter.

    Population maybe has some such relatedness, but not necessarily.

    It’s almost a certainty that these professors are using “population” in way that includes common genealogy.

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    @Anthony Wayne
    Every South Asian at my uni was a member of one of the South Asian frats or sororities. Those clubs had more racial diversity than any other student group. They seemed to have members from all three “major races.” They were like a cross between woke activist student unions and black Greek letter clubs. They agitated for their own group interests, but that they were a single group strained belief.

    One thing is for sure, they did not mix at all with the Northeast Asians, who were either in immigrant cliques or were culturally white ABCs. They disdained whites, but the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans they hated.

    They seemed to have members from all three “major races.”

    White, African, and Asian?

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  27. @rec1man
    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; 3 /4 Indian science Nobels, 50% of Indian Nuke blast team of 1974, Sundar Pichai, Vish Anand, Ramanujam. I have 4 nephews / nieces with US National Merit list

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace

    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; …

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace

    2) is quite an amazing achievement: the Tamil Brahmin must have been speaking Tamil for around 2,000 years while still maintaining Sanskrit traditions.

    Tamil is linguistically unrelated to Sanskrit and the other Indo-European languages spoken in Northern India. The history of the Jews is the closest parallel: Jewish populations maintained allegiance to the Jewish bible (finalized around 500 BCE) over centuries while speaking languages unrelated to Hebrew.

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    And also maintain our looks

    https://pix.sfly.com/G_WWTS

    This is my son with a white neighbor in Sunnyvale
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  28. @Anonymous
    What's the difference between "race" and "population"? Are both social constructs?

    What’s the difference between “race” and “population”?

    Racism is the vilest vice known to man, populationism less so.

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  29. @Anonymous
    On a slightly related note, it has been revealed that the father of one Jeremy Meeks was himself a convicted criminal - a murderer who literally tortured a young woman to death, (even hardened criminals look down on his sort).

    For the uninitiated, Jeremy Meeks, an American mulatto, who has been dubbed the 'world's best looking criminal' is currently 'in a relationship' with Chloe Green, the daughter of one Philip Green. Philip Green a British billionaire businessman of the Hebrew persuasion, and renowned and reviled in the UK for his shady (to say the least) business dealings is a leading member of Britain's Jewish laity.

    In a long running story which is god's gift to the Daily Mail, the dark side of Jeremy Meeks is laid bare. From a horrid, trashy family, Meeks's father is quite literally a monster. A truly horrible despicable monster. His mom's side of the family are pure trash.

    Of course, it goes without saying that Sir Philip, (for that's what he is), must be appalled and thoroughly disappointed. Not only is his precious daughter's paramour a gentile, but a black gentile to boot. The family in which he will likely be united in blood is just about as vile and worthless as could be imagined.

    It is in this light that endogamy which so characterises India must be seen.
    In short, one at least knows what one is marrying into.

    Green asset stripped the high strret chain BHS – selling and leasing-back the stores, raiding the pension fund and finally selling it to a complete novice for £1.

    The chain went bust a year later and people who had worked there for decades will lose a big chunk of their pensions.

    He isn’t quite as bad as Meek’s dad, but Meek’s mum is a lightweight criminal compared to Philip Green.

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  30. @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.

    Penn Teller lost over a hundred pounds on a vegan diet and came off all his medications.

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    Those are two individuals, right? Penn & Teller?
    , @Flip
    Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller
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  31. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/23andme-diversity-dna/558575/

    23andMe Wants Its DNA Data to Be Less White

    The company is offering free kits to researchers studying populations in Africa, Asia, and elsewhere—but the ethics are tricky.

    … 23andMe has been very successful in building its DNA database by convincing wealthy customers to get tested for one or two hundred bucks. How it will convince people on another continent who otherwise have no interest in DNA is a different challenge altogether.

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  32. @dearieme
    "Are South Asians a Single Population?"

    Well, a lot of them carry the chip-on-the-shoulder gene.

    A relevant point! Diversity forces you to become arrogant because you are continually confronted with strangers who do not know or recognize your qualifications. It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.

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    It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.

    Citation needed.
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  33. @rec1man
    Jeevansathi.com

    and dozens of similar Indian matrimonial sites

    with Photo, and you can sort by caste, language, diet , religion, occupation etc

    Yes, Indians have all sorts of sites up and running.

    I’m talking about Americans–particularly but not necessarily whites–who’d like their kids to “get on with it”, but would like to see it happen with the right sort of spouse from the right sort of family. The stuff that used to happen simply by neighborhood, social circle, college, church–dare i say it “country club”–when the kids actually entered adult life at a reasonable age. (This is of course still going on, but it’s much more haphazzard.)

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  34. @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.

    It makes the vegetarian feel good about himself. Further, all those gas-producing complex carbohydrates, beans, lentils, and heavy spices in the case of South Asians, keep the vegetarian full of bloat and wind, sometimes enough to launch him on a space trip with a single fart.

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  35. @rec1man
    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; 3 /4 Indian science Nobels, 50% of Indian Nuke blast team of 1974, Sundar Pichai, Vish Anand, Ramanujam. I have 4 nephews / nieces with US National Merit list

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace

    Preserve Sanskritic Culture

    Good job preserving the religion of your conquerors 3000 years later

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    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.
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  36. @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.

    I’m guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man’s Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it’s a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device–tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.

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    Abstaining from meat two thousands years ago in tropical India must have made a lot of sense to avoid nasty diseases. Meat avoidance has also the social function of delimiting who you can socialise with.
    But today with modern hygiene and animal husbandry it doesn't make any sense. Unless you are a believer in hinduism.
    , @Anonymous
    Mostly it serves as a signalling device–tribal marker and bonding agent.

    "Segregation device" or "apartheid device" would probably be more apt.
    , @Anonymous

    I’m guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man’s Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it’s a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.
     
    I'm guessing if a woman believed in karma, being a vegetarian during pregnancy and having a kid that later wound up being diagnosed with half the DSM would be a heavy karmic load, wouldn't it?
    , @rec1man
    30% of Indians, mainly the upper castes are vegetarian

    In North India, even richer peasant castes are vegetarian

    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are
    Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Traditional Indian wrestlers were / are vegetarian

    Diet tells a lot about caste rank

    Vegetarian = Upper Caste

    Lamb, Chicken , Fish = Low caste

    Beef, Pork = Untouchable
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  37. @DFH

    Preserve Sanskritic Culture
     
    Good job preserving the religion of your conquerors 3000 years later

    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.

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    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.
     
    1. If they were descendants of steppe nomads they wouldn’t look like indians. Who would mistake the CEO of Google for anything other than a stereotypical subcontinental?

    2. Their current culture is not found anywhere outside India. What they are “preserving” is not the true Vedic culture, which involved the sacrifice of humans, cows, horses etc. Vegetarianism, Cow Worship, Idol Worship, Yoga etc are not Vedic.

    3. The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense. For example here are a bunch of brahmins sitting in tubs of water performing the ritual for bringing down rain:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/indian-brahmins-perform-a-parjanya-yagna-to-appease-the-rain-gods-at-picture-id88479321

    https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/630x315/format/jpg/quality/85/http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F3288000%2Fimages%2Fn-INDIA-BRAHMINS-628x314.jpg
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  38. @Flip
    Penn Teller lost over a hundred pounds on a vegan diet and came off all his medications.

    Those are two individuals, right? Penn & Teller?

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    Those are two individuals, right? Penn & Teller?
     
    I would assume he was referring to Penn Jillette, the large, talkative one of the pair. Teller (I don't know if that's his first, last or only name) is a little guy who would blow away in a stiff wind if he lost any weight.
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  39. @AnotherDad

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.
     
    I'm guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man's Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it's a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device--tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.

    Abstaining from meat two thousands years ago in tropical India must have made a lot of sense to avoid nasty diseases. Meat avoidance has also the social function of delimiting who you can socialise with.
    But today with modern hygiene and animal husbandry it doesn’t make any sense. Unless you are a believer in hinduism.

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  40. @AnotherDad

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.
     
    I'm guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man's Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it's a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device--tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device–tribal marker and bonding agent.

    “Segregation device” or “apartheid device” would probably be more apt.

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  41. @J.Ross
    A relevant point! Diversity forces you to become arrogant because you are continually confronted with strangers who do not know or recognize your qualifications. It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.

    It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.

    Citation needed.

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    Really? Okay, try the Bible, or any history of the Subcontinent by any author, or most scholarly books about Africa, or the anecdote about Christians fighting over which sect gets to sweep what part of the floor in the Church of the Holy Sepuchre, or Burton's anecdotes about Persians getting a completely pointless little insult in during the Hajj. Or just wait a few more years and keep your eyes open.
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  42. “Sub” is no idle prefix with regard to that continent.

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    I reiterate my idea that "Asia" be thought of as four to six cultural zones with distinct one-word names. "Asia" might as well be "Earth."
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  43. @Anonymous
    It also forces a perpetual tribal competition about every stupid little thing like parking spaces.

    Citation needed.

    Really? Okay, try the Bible, or any history of the Subcontinent by any author, or most scholarly books about Africa, or the anecdote about Christians fighting over which sect gets to sweep what part of the floor in the Church of the Holy Sepuchre, or Burton’s anecdotes about Persians getting a completely pointless little insult in during the Hajj. Or just wait a few more years and keep your eyes open.

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  44. @Hannah Katz
    "Sub" is no idle prefix with regard to that continent.

    I reiterate my idea that “Asia” be thought of as four to six cultural zones with distinct one-word names. “Asia” might as well be “Earth.”

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  45. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.
     
    I'm guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man's Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it's a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device--tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.

    I’m guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man’s Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it’s a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    I’m guessing if a woman believed in karma, being a vegetarian during pregnancy and having a kid that later wound up being diagnosed with half the DSM would be a heavy karmic load, wouldn’t it?

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    30% of Indians are vegetarians, mostly upper castes, and doesnt seem to be a problem
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  46. @fictitious gui xing
    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.

    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.

    1. If they were descendants of steppe nomads they wouldn’t look like indians. Who would mistake the CEO of Google for anything other than a stereotypical subcontinental?

    2. Their current culture is not found anywhere outside India. What they are “preserving” is not the true Vedic culture, which involved the sacrifice of humans, cows, horses etc. Vegetarianism, Cow Worship, Idol Worship, Yoga etc are not Vedic.

    3. The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense. For example here are a bunch of brahmins sitting in tubs of water performing the ritual for bringing down rain:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/indian-brahmins-perform-a-parjanya-yagna-to-appease-the-rain-gods-at-picture-id88479321

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    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar

    1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian
    , @anonymous

    The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense
     
    Indeed! It is the very epitome of the highest levels of superstitious batshit craziness, which mankind is capable of.

    But then, the picture you link to is nothing compared to the following;

    1. Worshipping devils.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTDJ-gkD2HC/?hl=en

    2. Rapist deities (Vishnu's rape of Tulsi, etc.)
    https://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/hinduism-and-lust/

    3. Worship of Shiva's Phallus (lingum) and his whoever’s Vagina (yoni).

    Etc.

    The picture reminds me of the boiling frog "experiment." Given that a frog probably has more brain power than these idiots, we can all deduce what will happen to them, if left long enough. Idiot soup anyone?

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  47. @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.

    My grandfather lived to be 100 ; lots of my aunts and uncles reached 90s ;

    Vegetarianism is more a religious-ethical marker for upper castes, like Brahmins and Merchants, very low ecological foot print

    In the state of Tamil Nadu, the 98% meat eating dravidians need a 69% quota to overcome the IQ gap from the 2% vegetarian Tamil Brahmins

    I run into Mrs.Vish Anand ( chess ) at family gatherings often ( distant relative ) ; seems to improve IQ in the Indian context

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  48. @Eagle Eye

    I am a Tamil Brahmin, 2% of the population of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu

    Endogamy in our case does the following

    1) Preserve IQ ; ...

    2) Preserve Sanskritic Culture, Vegetarian diet, etc, in a sea of non-Sanskritic culture and meat eating populace
     

    2) is quite an amazing achievement: the Tamil Brahmin must have been speaking Tamil for around 2,000 years while still maintaining Sanskrit traditions.

    Tamil is linguistically unrelated to Sanskrit and the other Indo-European languages spoken in Northern India. The history of the Jews is the closest parallel: Jewish populations maintained allegiance to the Jewish bible (finalized around 500 BCE) over centuries while speaking languages unrelated to Hebrew.

    And also maintain our looks

    https://pix.sfly.com/G_WWTS

    This is my son with a white neighbor in Sunnyvale

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  49. @AnotherDad

    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn’t seem to improve health in any way.
     
    I'm guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man's Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it's a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.

    Mostly it serves as a signalling device--tribal marker and bonding agent. A simple one, but in function not unlike all the more baroque things the Ashkenazi developed to separate themselves from the surrounding gentiles, create barriers to interaction and thus help defend against defection or infection.

    30% of Indians, mainly the upper castes are vegetarian

    In North India, even richer peasant castes are vegetarian

    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are
    Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Traditional Indian wrestlers were / are vegetarian

    Diet tells a lot about caste rank

    Vegetarian = Upper Caste

    Lamb, Chicken , Fish = Low caste

    Beef, Pork = Untouchable

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    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Diet tells a lot about caste rank. Vegetarian = Upper Caste
     
    1. Jats are sudras, the lowest caste.

    2. Vegetarianism is non-Vedic. The Vedic aryans were animal-sacrificing meat eaters.

    3. It is the non-Vedic religions, especially Jainism, that teach non-violence and vegetarianism.
    , @Anonymous
    Indians are winning medals at the Olympics in boxing and wrestling? And they are vegetarian? I doubt it.

    Actually Indians are amongst the worse olympic performers in the world.
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  50. @Anonymous

    I’m guessing there has been some adaptation in rec1man’s Tamil Brahmins so that vegetarianism is less harmful to him than it is to most people. White guys should absolutely not be vegetarians (push yourself toward paleo without being a nut about it). And it’s a really bad idea for pregnant white women as well.
     
    I'm guessing if a woman believed in karma, being a vegetarian during pregnancy and having a kid that later wound up being diagnosed with half the DSM would be a heavy karmic load, wouldn't it?

    30% of Indians are vegetarians, mostly upper castes, and doesnt seem to be a problem

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  51. @Bliss

    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.
     
    1. If they were descendants of steppe nomads they wouldn’t look like indians. Who would mistake the CEO of Google for anything other than a stereotypical subcontinental?

    2. Their current culture is not found anywhere outside India. What they are “preserving” is not the true Vedic culture, which involved the sacrifice of humans, cows, horses etc. Vegetarianism, Cow Worship, Idol Worship, Yoga etc are not Vedic.

    3. The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense. For example here are a bunch of brahmins sitting in tubs of water performing the ritual for bringing down rain:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/indian-brahmins-perform-a-parjanya-yagna-to-appease-the-rain-gods-at-picture-id88479321

    https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/630x315/format/jpg/quality/85/http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F3288000%2Fimages%2Fn-INDIA-BRAHMINS-628x314.jpg

    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar

    1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian

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    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar. 1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian
     
    That’s very funny. Earlier, in this very page, you were claiming that the Google CEO was a product of brahmin “endogamy”. Now he has become a Dravidian interloper, after I pointed out the obvious: he looks like a typical Indian. Hard to keep your narrative consistent when it is all based on lies, isn’t it?

    The other high-achieving endogamous Tamil Brahmins you were boasting about must be Dravidians as well since they too look stereotypically indian. Here are the 3 Nobel Laureates you claimed as representatives of your brahmin sub-caste:

    Raman:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Sir_CV_Raman.JPG/220px-Sir_CV_Raman.JPG

    Chandrashekhar:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000361015235-e1508341774799.jpg?strip=all&w=960

    Ramakrishnan:

    https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/68714-ojghakvizu-1505711590.jpg
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  52. @rec1man
    30% of Indians, mainly the upper castes are vegetarian

    In North India, even richer peasant castes are vegetarian

    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are
    Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Traditional Indian wrestlers were / are vegetarian

    Diet tells a lot about caste rank

    Vegetarian = Upper Caste

    Lamb, Chicken , Fish = Low caste

    Beef, Pork = Untouchable

    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Diet tells a lot about caste rank. Vegetarian = Upper Caste

    1. Jats are sudras, the lowest caste.

    2. Vegetarianism is non-Vedic. The Vedic aryans were animal-sacrificing meat eaters.

    3. It is the non-Vedic religions, especially Jainism, that teach non-violence and vegetarianism.

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  53. @rec1man
    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar

    1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian

    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar. 1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian

    That’s very funny. Earlier, in this very page, you were claiming that the Google CEO was a product of brahmin “endogamy”. Now he has become a Dravidian interloper, after I pointed out the obvious: he looks like a typical Indian. Hard to keep your narrative consistent when it is all based on lies, isn’t it?

    The other high-achieving endogamous Tamil Brahmins you were boasting about must be Dravidians as well since they too look stereotypically indian. Here are the 3 Nobel Laureates you claimed as representatives of your brahmin sub-caste:

    Raman:

    Chandrashekhar:

    Ramakrishnan:

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    Cheddar Man was dark, too.

    Do you know the skin color of people living in the Steppes thousands of years ago?

    Light skin first showed up in settled agricultural areas of the Middle East.
    , @Anon
    Of the three Raman is the only one who is noticeably Dravidian. I would have pegged Chandrasekhar for a Northerner had I passed him in the street. Ramakrishnan has a more Aryan physiology, but something about him makes me think I would take him (correctly) for a high-caste southerner.
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  54. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @rec1man
    30% of Indians, mainly the upper castes are vegetarian

    In North India, even richer peasant castes are vegetarian

    Indians have started winning Olympic medals in boxing and wrestling and all the winners are
    Jats from Haryana. Jats are Upper level farmers and vegetarian. Traditional Indian wrestlers were / are vegetarian

    Diet tells a lot about caste rank

    Vegetarian = Upper Caste

    Lamb, Chicken , Fish = Low caste

    Beef, Pork = Untouchable

    Indians are winning medals at the Olympics in boxing and wrestling? And they are vegetarian? I doubt it.

    Actually Indians are amongst the worse olympic performers in the world.

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    Actually Indians are amongst the worse (sic) olympic performers in the world.
     
    Indian athletes win big at World Dwarf Games, bag 37 medals


    https://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2017/08/16/Pictures/_4a7f45c0-826a-11e7-929c-3545fa1ac73c.jpg

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  55. ’s vegetarianism boosting is absolutely ridiculous.

    “Aryan” invaders from the steppes were meat eaters.

    Brahmin and Indian vegetarianism can be attributed to
    1. Necessity – vegetarianism feeds 10 times more people than meat eating in a over populated land (India had the largest population in the World historically of any region)
    2. Caste system was based on the kinds of jobs people performed, so the lower castes eat meat and fish as they were in suitable occupations like farming and animal husbandry, And untouchables ate beef, because they worked with dead cows. brahmin did not work the land so they settled for “superior” vegges.
    4. Necessity gets encoded as superstition and religious beliefs and later touted as a great virtue
    5. It also serves as a caste marker and a way to exclude the deplorables and indulge in snobbery like this dude.

    “Indians have started to win medals in wrestling”. Yes, they “have started” but will never finish. Wrestling is not a popular sport world-wide and wrestling has an ancient tradition in India and it is a niche sport where India has some advantage and it India ekes out a few medals, but not in Olympic golds

    Now some enlightened Indian brahmin cricket stars have taken up meat (beef?) eating to be more competitive. finally. Call me, when Indian vegetarian athletes start winning track field medals or excel in fast bowling in cricket

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  56. The great Ramanujan looks totally Dravidian.

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  57. @Anonymous
    Indians are winning medals at the Olympics in boxing and wrestling? And they are vegetarian? I doubt it.

    Actually Indians are amongst the worse olympic performers in the world.

    Actually Indians are amongst the worse (sic) olympic performers in the world.

    Indian athletes win big at World Dwarf Games, bag 37 medals

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  58. @Bliss

    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar. 1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian
     
    That’s very funny. Earlier, in this very page, you were claiming that the Google CEO was a product of brahmin “endogamy”. Now he has become a Dravidian interloper, after I pointed out the obvious: he looks like a typical Indian. Hard to keep your narrative consistent when it is all based on lies, isn’t it?

    The other high-achieving endogamous Tamil Brahmins you were boasting about must be Dravidians as well since they too look stereotypically indian. Here are the 3 Nobel Laureates you claimed as representatives of your brahmin sub-caste:

    Raman:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Sir_CV_Raman.JPG/220px-Sir_CV_Raman.JPG

    Chandrashekhar:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000361015235-e1508341774799.jpg?strip=all&w=960

    Ramakrishnan:

    https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/68714-ojghakvizu-1505711590.jpg

    Cheddar Man was dark, too.

    Do you know the skin color of people living in the Steppes thousands of years ago?

    Light skin first showed up in settled agricultural areas of the Middle East.

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    We're talking about the Bronze Age, not the Mesolithic. The Indo-Europeans, when they first appeared in the historical record, were light-skinned. That's not even controversial.
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  59. As any good-thinker ought to know by now, of course South Asians are not a single population. The only melange we can rest assured of nowadays is the melanin-light version. We wouldn’t want those unidentified fair origin (UFO) types thinking they had some kind of a genuine heritage, would we?

    Do you believe in UFOs?

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  60. @Flip
    Penn Teller lost over a hundred pounds on a vegan diet and came off all his medications.

    Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller

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  61. @Not Raul
    Cheddar Man was dark, too.

    Do you know the skin color of people living in the Steppes thousands of years ago?

    Light skin first showed up in settled agricultural areas of the Middle East.

    We’re talking about the Bronze Age, not the Mesolithic. The Indo-Europeans, when they first appeared in the historical record, were light-skinned. That’s not even controversial.

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    Please elaborate. Light-skinned with respect to whom?
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  62. @BB753
    Those are two individuals, right? Penn & Teller?

    Those are two individuals, right? Penn & Teller?

    I would assume he was referring to Penn Jillette, the large, talkative one of the pair. Teller (I don’t know if that’s his first, last or only name) is a little guy who would blow away in a stiff wind if he lost any weight.

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  63. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    What good is your vegetarian diet? It doesn't seem to improve health in any way.

    You may be thinking about healthy vegetarian diets. Indian diets are full of sugar and ghee. Whatever the purpose of the Indian vegetarian diet, it isn’t about health.

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    It's like kosher or halal food. Ultimately religious in origin and goals.
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  64. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Brahmins and higher castes are descendants of the conquerors. They are the conquerors, preserving their culture.
     
    1. If they were descendants of steppe nomads they wouldn’t look like indians. Who would mistake the CEO of Google for anything other than a stereotypical subcontinental?

    2. Their current culture is not found anywhere outside India. What they are “preserving” is not the true Vedic culture, which involved the sacrifice of humans, cows, horses etc. Vegetarianism, Cow Worship, Idol Worship, Yoga etc are not Vedic.

    3. The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense. For example here are a bunch of brahmins sitting in tubs of water performing the ritual for bringing down rain:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/indian-brahmins-perform-a-parjanya-yagna-to-appease-the-rain-gods-at-picture-id88479321

    https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/630x315/format/jpg/quality/85/http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F3288000%2Fimages%2Fn-INDIA-BRAHMINS-628x314.jpg

    The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense

    Indeed! It is the very epitome of the highest levels of superstitious batshit craziness, which mankind is capable of.

    But then, the picture you link to is nothing compared to the following;

    1. Worshipping devils.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTDJ-gkD2HC/?hl=en

    2. Rapist deities (Vishnu’s rape of Tulsi, etc.)

    https://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/hinduism-and-lust/

    3. Worship of Shiva’s Phallus (lingum) and his whoever’s Vagina (yoni).

    Etc.

    The picture reminds me of the boiling frog “experiment.” Given that a frog probably has more brain power than these idiots, we can all deduce what will happen to them, if left long enough. Idiot soup anyone?

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    With reference to point 3 of my post, check this Quora link.

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-scientific-facts-connected-with-Lord-Shiva-Shiva-Lingam

    search for "Picture: Image of Kamakhya temple" to get a clearer idea of what I mean.
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  65. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The culture they are perpetuating is nothing but superstitious nonsense
     
    Indeed! It is the very epitome of the highest levels of superstitious batshit craziness, which mankind is capable of.

    But then, the picture you link to is nothing compared to the following;

    1. Worshipping devils.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTDJ-gkD2HC/?hl=en

    2. Rapist deities (Vishnu's rape of Tulsi, etc.)
    https://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/hinduism-and-lust/

    3. Worship of Shiva's Phallus (lingum) and his whoever’s Vagina (yoni).

    Etc.

    The picture reminds me of the boiling frog "experiment." Given that a frog probably has more brain power than these idiots, we can all deduce what will happen to them, if left long enough. Idiot soup anyone?

    With reference to point 3 of my post, check this Quora link.

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-scientific-facts-connected-with-Lord-Shiva-Shiva-Lingam

    search for “Picture: Image of Kamakhya temple” to get a clearer idea of what I mean.

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  66. @Anonymous
    You may be thinking about healthy vegetarian diets. Indian diets are full of sugar and ghee. Whatever the purpose of the Indian vegetarian diet, it isn't about health.

    It’s like kosher or halal food. Ultimately religious in origin and goals.

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  67. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    A panel discussion Monday afternoon at Harvard on a topic I went over in Taki’s Magazine three weeks ago:

     

    Is Steve Sailer suggesting that the Harvard panel participants were motivated to discuss Indian ancestral matters by a bit of writing done by Mr. Sailer himself?

    Where is Sailer going with this?

    Is Sailer putting on his trend setter ten gallon hat to boast of his trend setting ability in the Ivy League egghead intellectual arena?

    This sounds like fun, I'll do it. I'll use the New York Times.

    I have been writing small bits about the composition of the Democrat Party. I claim that the Democrat Party is made up of Blacks, Jews, Mestizos, Asians, White government workers and other White wackos. So far, so good.

    Now I see the New York Times is riling up the government workers like a sonofabitch. Not necessarily White government workers, that would make their ulterior motive too obvious. It seems that the New York Times is going to try to boost the electoral chances of the Democrat Party by ramping up the number of White government workers who vote for the Democrat Party.

    Now the New York Times knows that it is really the number of White government workers that are highly motivated to vote for the Democrat Party that matters, but they still show a photo of a Black government worker just to not make it so obvious.

    Today's White government worker story features a fat Black government worker; the photographer caught him while he was at lunch as a cherry on top. What pound test and lure did the photographer use to catch the fat Black government worker? Trade secret, the photographer ain't saying.

    Now, to match Sailer, I'll suggest that the editors at the New York Times read the writings of the Alt-Right to see if there is any glimmerings of insight to be found. It could be that focusing on White government workers and other White wackos might be beneficial to the Democrats.

    This whole comment was just for fun.

    This White lady government worker is fat, just not as fat as the fat Black government worker also caught by the photographer for the NY Times:

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/988430561357201409

    Is Sailer putting on his trend setter ten gallon hat to boast of his trend setting ability in the Ivy League egghead intellectual arena?

    Yeah, this schtick of his is like a dog running through the woods trying to piss on every tree, continually trying to take credit for obvious stuff.

    Like his big insight that since white people are the super majority in this country, if you round up enough of their votes but not all of them, you will win an election.

    He thinks it is an insight of epic genius, brings it up a lot, but IMO is/was a patently obvious statistical reality, hardly a strategy.

    Get most of the voters of the overwhelming majority? Geez, took a rare genius to see that?

    And anyhow, even if there is a shred of truth, what has he done lately?

    OT: Current MSM incel stuff is another death throe of the alt-right. Who wants their movement poster-boys to be totally loser guys who can’t get a date.

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  68. @Bliss

    Google CEO, belongs to a sub-caste of Tamil Brahmins, called Thenkalai Iyengar. 1000 years ago, a so called reformer, Ramanuja , admitted thousands of dravidians into the Thenkalai Iyengar sub-caste, and many of them do look dravidian
     
    That’s very funny. Earlier, in this very page, you were claiming that the Google CEO was a product of brahmin “endogamy”. Now he has become a Dravidian interloper, after I pointed out the obvious: he looks like a typical Indian. Hard to keep your narrative consistent when it is all based on lies, isn’t it?

    The other high-achieving endogamous Tamil Brahmins you were boasting about must be Dravidians as well since they too look stereotypically indian. Here are the 3 Nobel Laureates you claimed as representatives of your brahmin sub-caste:

    Raman:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Sir_CV_Raman.JPG/220px-Sir_CV_Raman.JPG

    Chandrashekhar:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000361015235-e1508341774799.jpg?strip=all&w=960

    Ramakrishnan:

    https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/68714-ojghakvizu-1505711590.jpg

    Of the three Raman is the only one who is noticeably Dravidian. I would have pegged Chandrasekhar for a Northerner had I passed him in the street. Ramakrishnan has a more Aryan physiology, but something about him makes me think I would take him (correctly) for a high-caste southerner.

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  69. Of the three Raman is the only one who is noticeably Dravidian.

    None of them would pass for anything other than indian. They were all as “black” skinned as the average african-american.

    I would have pegged Chandrasekhar for a Northerner had I passed him in the street.

    Chandrashekhar was seen as a black man in America. The dean of his department at the University of Chicago, a racist, refused to shake hands with him when introduced.

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    I have no idea about his experiences with other faculty, feel sorry for him if that was the case. Why hire a man if you are going to be rude to him?

    Skin color is not a good way to estimate north/south in India because there is too much variation in both North and South and in many cases within caste. Raman has the classic Tamil look though. The other two do not but something about him I can't identify makes me think Ramakrishnan does not look Northern. Actually he reminds me a little of LTTE chief Anton Balasingham if the latter were a little less heavy-jowled.
    , @Bliss
    Raman too was seen as a black man in the US (~90 years ago) and treated very badly:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=RbgXRdnHkiAC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=chandrasekhar+university+of+chicago+“black+man”&source=bl&ots=psgzqms7sd&sig=-cwKW589tFm59aQq9iMoXIrwvuE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi65ojlsdnaAhXLrVQKHUt0CeYQ6AEwEXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=chandrasekhar%20university%20of%20chicago%20“black%20man”&f=false
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  70. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Bliss

    Of the three Raman is the only one who is noticeably Dravidian.
     
    None of them would pass for anything other than indian. They were all as “black” skinned as the average african-american.

    I would have pegged Chandrasekhar for a Northerner had I passed him in the street.
     
    Chandrashekhar was seen as a black man in America. The dean of his department at the University of Chicago, a racist, refused to shake hands with him when introduced.

    I have no idea about his experiences with other faculty, feel sorry for him if that was the case. Why hire a man if you are going to be rude to him?

    Skin color is not a good way to estimate north/south in India because there is too much variation in both North and South and in many cases within caste. Raman has the classic Tamil look though. The other two do not but something about him I can’t identify makes me think Ramakrishnan does not look Northern. Actually he reminds me a little of LTTE chief Anton Balasingham if the latter were a little less heavy-jowled.

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  71. @Bliss

    Of the three Raman is the only one who is noticeably Dravidian.
     
    None of them would pass for anything other than indian. They were all as “black” skinned as the average african-american.

    I would have pegged Chandrasekhar for a Northerner had I passed him in the street.
     
    Chandrashekhar was seen as a black man in America. The dean of his department at the University of Chicago, a racist, refused to shake hands with him when introduced.
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  72. @BB753
    We're talking about the Bronze Age, not the Mesolithic. The Indo-Europeans, when they first appeared in the historical record, were light-skinned. That's not even controversial.

    Please elaborate. Light-skinned with respect to whom?

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