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Here’s a big academic study that is getting cited for implying, in so many words, that one reason blacks do worse on school tests is because evil white racist schoolteachers impose too much discipline on them. As you’ll recall, that was the policy of the late Obama Administration, but the Trump Administration eased off on the federal witch hunt for racist disciplinarians:

Are Achievement Gaps Related to Discipline Gaps? Evidence From National Data

Francis A. Pearman, II, F. Chris Curran, Benjamin Fisher,First Published October 15, 2019 Research Article

There is growing interest in the relation between the racial achievement gap and the racial discipline gap. However, few studies have examined this relation at the national level. This study combines data from the Stanford Education Data Archive and the Civil Rights Data Collection and employs a district fixed effects analysis to examine whether and the extent to which racial discipline gaps are related to racial achievement gaps in Grades 3 through 8 in districts across the United States. In bivariate models, we find evidence that districts with larger racial discipline gaps have larger racial achievement gaps (and vice versa). Though other district-level differences account for the positive association between the Hispanic-White discipline gap and the Hispanic-White achievement gap, we find robust evidence that the positive association between the Black-White discipline gap and the Black-White achievement gap persists after controlling for a multitude of confounding factors. We also find evidence that the mechanisms connecting achievement to disciplinary outcomes are more salient for Black than White students.

I think this paper is a good example of why my techniques for critiquing social science studies are so much more effective and interesting than mainstream gullibility.

One of my basic techniques is to provide readers with lots and lots of examples so you can notice the patterns too. For example, back in 2016 when I first got a look at the Stanford Education Data Archive of test scores for just about every school district in the country, I immediately sorted them in order of white-black test score gap.

Without any examples, you could just imagine where blacks are most oppressed by whites: probably in some super-Republican small town in the South, right?

Wrong. The top 5 worst race gaps were found in Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston: i.e., all famously liberal places.

On the other hand, the highest black and Hispanic test scores in the country were found in highly Republican Frisco, TX, a sports-crazed exurb of Dallas.

In contrast, this new study links the old Stanford Education Data Archive to a list of suspensions by race. But the authors give zero examples of school districts where blacks are suspended far more than whites or districts where whites score the most more than blacks. You are just supposed to imagine based on your prejudices which places they must be.

Unfortunately, I haven’t found a way to get access to their data, so I don’t know what their data would show in the way of examples.

Here’s the funniest bit in the new study:

(It should be noted that the share of Asian students and American Indian/Pacific Islander students is too small to produce reliable national estimates for racial achievement disparities between them and White students.)

Yeah, right … You’ve got practically every school district in the country — look how many datapoints there are in the above scatter plots for white-black and white-Hispanic gaps — but that’s just not enough to produce reliable national estimates for racial achievement disparities between Asian students and white students.

Nah, you just want to cover up the Asian numbers because they undermine The Narrative. In reality, as I calculated from the huge SEDA database in 2019, the average Asian public school sixth grader is 0.8 grade levels ahead of the average white, while Asians lead Hispanics by 2.6 grade levels and blacks by 3.0 grade levels.

A detail likely to be overlooked is that the researchers admit that the Suspension Gap is small potatoes in terms of the Achievement Gap:

Finally, even when discipline gaps are zero (i.e., suspension rates for ethnoracial minorities are equal to
those for White students), Black-White and Hispanic-White achievement gaps are roughly 0.55 and 0.42 standard deviations, respectively. Note that in the average school district, the achievement gap between Black and White students is 0.58 standard deviations and the average achievement gap between Hispanic and White students is 0.48 standard deviations.

One interesting finding is that the researchers can adjust away the white-Hispanic suspension rate gap by factoring in parents’ education and other measures of class and the like. In other words, whites and Hispanics of similar backgrounds tend to be pretty similar in behavior in the classroom, it’s just that a lot higher percentage of Hispanics are proles rather than bourgeoisie.

On the other hand, no amount of statistic adjustment for background could make the black tendency to get in trouble more disappear.

 
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  1. anon[633] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you should plot achievement gap v. Hillary/Trump gap, possibly adjusting for white percentage. Bet that gives a higher R squared. You could be a legitimate social scientist!

  2. Anon7 says:

    So far, the Asians in America are taking the quiet route, but recent demands for more spots for their kids at the best schools mean they’re going to come out of the closet. White parents will be asking for affirmative action and proportional representation then, you’d better believe it.

    In America, the difference is Asian parents and culture. My wife and I let our son have a fair amount of leeway, but worked to help him find what interested him. Eventually he found math, and he disciplined himself; he’s working on a PhD now at one of the best schools in the world.

    But he spent enough time with Asians to realize how hard the parents pushed them, and how important it was to get into the best possible college. He actually asked me after he was in college “Why didn’t you push me harder in grade school?”

    smh As a child he was so strong-willed you couldn’t make him do anything, and you couldn’t persuade him to do anything that he wasn’t convinced was worthwhile.

    But the Asian approach isn’t everything. At one point in college, he roomed with a half-dozen Asian students who had worked hard enough to get into one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country. These kids got blackout drunk and played video games every weekend. I know two of them dropped out.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  3. This is what you get out of Schools of Education. You don’t know if these 2 guys really believe what they wrote, but with just the required Master’s Degree, they may have to go teach school in the ghetto. Better stay at the U, write papers like this, and get this Education stuff Piled higher and Deeper.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  4. @Lagertha

    Yes, what? One scotch, one bourbon, one beer?

  5. bomag says:

    …[the B-W gap] persists after controlling for a multitude of confounding factors.

    I suspect they missed a few.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  6. Anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    My gut-level hypothesis about classroom discipline has always been this:

    1. Court cases like Larry P. and actions by the California Department of Education prevent the use of IQ tests in placement of kids in educable mentally retarded (EMR) classes, now known as “special education.”

    2. To maintain population proportionality, black sub-70 IQ kids are tracked with normal kids, rather than the only alternative of putting white kids in special ed when they don’t qualify.

    3. In general, tracking is outlawed as racist.

    4. This spreads nationwide.

    5. When you have retards in normal classes, they understandably are frustrated and put under stress and are bored and feel shamed and like morons (which in fact they are).

    6. An understandable reaction to this, especially for kids from chaotic, violent homes, is acting out.

    7. In a society where whitey is blamed for blacks’ problems, acting out sometimes fits into that narrative, with the IQ 65 black kid acting insubordinate to white teachers.

    8. Teachers are pressured to put up with it by school administrators, many of whom are blacks because it pays better than being a teacher, and they cannot qualify to be anything but elementary school teachers anyway because they cannot pass the praxis subject matter exams.

    9. Teachers nevertheless do suspend and discipline some students, and the presence of retards in the class means that acting-out retards get a disproportionate number of the suspensions, leading to correlations that can be misinterpreted.

    10. So retarded black kids tracked with white kids contribute to the overall statistics, and we don’t even know it since its verboten to give them IQ tests. Also, in line with the goal of obfuscation of truth, statistics about acting out are hidden via changes in discipline categories, e.g., “slugged in face” is subsumed into the “unauthorized body touching” category.

    11. Meanwhile, the Retard Industrial Complex of psychologists has sliced and diced dumb into a million categories of “handicaps,” each of which has its own expensive, state-funded treatment or pharmacological regime.

  7. Wilkey says:

    He actually asked me after he was in college “Why didn’t you push me harder in grade school?”

    In grade school my mother used to make me practice for the spelling bee for weeks. I was fine with it…for like the first 15 minutes. The practice sessions were probably 30 minutes, tops, and they felt unbearable.

    Then I read an article about one of the kids who won the last spelling bee (there were eight winners, iirc, because they ran out of words). One of the kids said he practiced for five hours a day.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Father O'Hara
  8. Lagertha says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    don’t underestimate me! Or be all, all uber-white male on me, or…hahhaaaaa – sheesh, don’t give up with humor. We are, may I remind you?, on a blog.

  9. Anon7 says:

    Based on the black kids I know who grew up the same time as my kids, I think the victim narrative is the worst possible thing for them to take as their own.

    As adults, they all have the same butthurt affect that distorts their personality development. White people hate looking at it; they see it as deliberate guilt tripping, manipulation to get something the black kids don’t merit. These black kids really seem to believe that white people have the nicest houses and cars because they keep the high paying jobs like doctor and college professor to themselves out of selfishness and race hatred.

    The only black kid that I know who avoided it is the daughter of a black single mother who is bright normal and endlessly wheedles for advantages for her kid. She wangled a scholarship for her daughter at a private high school, where the daughter perfected the art of being your child’s black friend, and the model of what parents want in their child’s black friend. She’s bright normal in intelligence and pitch-perfect in affect. She’ll go far.

  10. Lagertha says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    hahaaahaaaaa I could drink every single one of the iSteve writers, especially the wimpy New Yorkers and non-beeefy Californians (Russians may be a problem, and the Finns) under the table – because I have a famous hollow leg) don’t underestimate me :D!

    Or be all, all uber-white male on me, (but you got no family, no lover, so STFU) or…hahhaaaaa – sheesh, don’t give up with humor. We are, may I remind you?, on a blog. Humor is our salvation.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Neil Templeton
  11. On the other hand, the highest black and Hispanic test scores in the country were found in highly Republican Frisco, TX, a sports-crazed exurb of Dallas.

    Funny how Scot and Ulster crackers, the most racist folk in America, find a way to get along with almost anybody that respects their elders.

    • Replies: @SFG
  12. indocon says:

    Steve, time to write a post on Canadian elections, the results were exactly what I expected and hoped for. The so-called Canadian conservative party leader made Mitt Romney look like George Wallace, got the expected results.

    When do you think a Trump like figure emerges in Canada? My guess is when oil gets below $40/br.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  13. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    https://youtu.be/fzoGtRxo_JE hope you all have good relationships with your kids

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Dieter Kief
  14. Spangel says:

    Are areas where black white discipline gaps low particularly good or bad areas? My guess is that low discipline gap districts are idiosyncratic if you look into it.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @Forbes
  15. @Lagertha

    Nice. Maybe we should have an iSteve drinking contest. Beer, shot, and blog. Where’s Donut?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Reg Cæsar
  16. Speaking of achievement and discipline, Justin Trudeau seems poised to be PM in Canada for four more years despite the blackface scandal.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @nymom
    , @Forbes
  17. @Anon

    So do you think a class of retarded black kids would behave, since they’re all on the same level?

  18. newrouter says:

    Star Trek is the biggest propaganda coup in history.

  19. Anyone else seeing ads urging you to plan your funeral? I’m really hoping its not just me.

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Hail says: • Website

    as I calculated from the huge SEDA database in 2019, the average Asian public school sixth grader is 0.8 grade levels ahead of the average white, while Asians lead Hispanics by 2.6 grade levels and blacks by 3.0 grade levels.

    Converting those test-score grade-levels to IQ equivalents (while fixing US-White IQ to 100 and US-Black IQ to 85 with the usual st.dev. of 15) yields something very familiar-looking:

    105.5 IQ: Asian students born circa 1997 to 2002, while in sixth grade
    100.0 IQ: White students born circa 1997 to 2002, while in sixth grade
    87.75 IQ: Hispanic students born circa 1997 to 2002, while in sixth grade
    85.0 IQ: Black students born circa 1997 to 2002, while in sixth grade

    (The Hispanic aggregate is weighed down by foreign-origin students with poor English, so they’d have to be bumped up a few points; you’d think the Asians might be, too, but if they do have a penalty it may be offset by their remarkable talent for “testing well.”)

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  21. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    and, I especially want to say “FY” to New Yorkers – I hated you when I was an immigrant in 1968. NYC dwellers are the meanest people and the biggest liars of all time. I hate New Yorkers…the rich ones.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    , @JMcG
    , @Lagertha
  22. Tusk says:
    @indocon

    When the instore prices reach critical mass and the plebs can’t afford luxury soup anymore.

  23. Lagertha says:
    @Anon7

    yah, heard that, sons experienced that. The goal: job The rest is the parents hoping for the best – we are not perfect.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  24. @Anon7

    Granted, all of it! However, why on earth would we try to discipline black youngsters for misbehaving at the same time we’re eliminating prosecution for black grown-ups when they commit actual crimes?

  25. @newrouter

    Random but agreed. Star Trek sucks.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  26. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The worst behaved black students in my school are actually above average in IQ and some of the best behaved are sub 70 IQ. I teach at a middle school in NJ which is 95% Black. Some of my more pleasant students are probably mentally retarded , but they tend to act like Forrest Gump and are too dumb to have the grievances of the typical black students who already have attitudes which cause more problems then their Low IQs.

    • Replies: @bomag
  27. @Hail

    Stop saying “Hispanic”.

    There are broadly three types of “Hispanics” that should always be separated for this kind of racial classification with statistics, because they will yield vastly different results:

    White Hispanics – Upper class Mexicans and Peruvians, most Argentinians, Uruguayans, Cubans in Miami, etc. Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Oscar Isaac, Christina Aguilera.

    Mestizos – What most WASP Americans’ idea of “Hispanic” is: your run of the mill roughly half indio half white Spaniard from 1650. JLo, Mario Lopez, George Lopez, John Leguizamo.

    Indios – Amerindians. Direct descendants of the Incas and Aztecs with very little white in them. Yalitza Aparicio from Roma.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @DRA
  28. Lagertha says:
    @Neil Templeton

    dunno – Donut went off the scope.

  29. unit472 says:

    The distance in time and data may be too great but I’m curious if there were any studies of black/white achievement gaps in the segregated schools systems of the South? In that era black schools were markedly inferior in terms of facilities, resources and even teacher pay yet most of the leadership of the Civil Rights movement went to those inferior schools. They weren’t black Yankees from Boston or New York but local blacks from Georgia and Alabama.

    I recall a pictorial run in the Richmond Times Dispatch that showed photos of black students in their classrooms from the 50’s and early sixties at the time of ‘massive resistance’ to desegregation in Virginia. The black girls wore dresses and the black boys slacks and shirts with the shirt tails tucked in. They might have dressed up some if they knew there were going to be photographers but even if so that showed their black teachers still exercised authority in those classrooms. “Dress neatly tomorrow children there will be a newspaper photographer taking pictures” might have been the admonition.

    I’m sure black students didn’t score as well on standardized tests as whites in those long ago days but a graduate of a black high school could damn well read, write and do basic arithmetic.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  30. Gringo says:

    Wrong. The top 5 worst race gaps were found in Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston: i.e., all famously liberal places.

    Two decades ago, Shaker Heights asked Berkeley Anthropology professor John Obgbu to investigate why, in an affluent community with well-educated, middle class to upper-middle class parents, there was a large gap between black and white student achievement. Ogbu wrote a book about his findings. Editor’s Review of John U. Ogbu’s Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement. Some- most- of his findings did not sit well with Shaker Heights. For example, he found that black students were academically disengaged.

    Ogbu also describes academic disengagement found in Shaker Heights among Black students. He suggests that Black students in these schools subscribe to a “norm of minimum effort” (p. 23), positing that “low-effort syndrome” — defined as low engagement in schoolwork and homework — contributes to Black student disengagement. For example, when asked what advice they would give to a relative who was transferring to a Shaker Heights school, Black students at all levels agreed that it takes hard work, studying, and applying oneself to succeed in school. However, many Black students in the study did not heed their own advice and reported doing “just enough to get by” in many of their classes. Interestingly, the students did not believe they lacked the intellectual ability to do the work; they merely chose not to do it or to enroll in higher level courses because it took extra effort. As one student stated, “I maintain a 3.0, but I won’t do anything over that” (p. 23). These types of responses from Black students encourage the reader to question the origin of these attitudes. Black students attributed their minimum effort to boring and uninteresting classes, a lack of motivation by school personnel, poor study habits, other priorities that derailed academic effort (such as part-time jobs), and peer pressures (i.e., “it’s not cool” to work hard or show you’re smart). It should be noted that these reasons provided by the students represent systemic and individual factors, indicating the complex nature of these students’ academic disengagement. Ogbu is right to highlight the students’ roles in this problem. However, his data indicate that the systemic factors also cannot be ignored.

    For the most part, Shaker Heights did not accept Ogbu’s findings, and ignored his recommendations.

    It would appear that while Shaker Heights concluded that Ogbu had misdiagnosed the issue of black student’s lower achievement relative to whites , ignoring his recommendations hasn’t solved the issue either, as it appears that there has been little to no change in the last two decades in the black/white achievement gap in Shaker Heights schools.

    Save us, cried Shaker Heights to Dr. Ogbu. Here is what you must do, he told them. No, replied Shaker Heights- and many in the Education field.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anon
  31. I can’t believe people seriously buy into this crap. I suppose it really does need to be refuted, but somehow it just seems like such a waste of time — like slowly, carefully, and politely demonstrating to a flat-earther that the world really is round.

    It’s actually worse than that. After all, the world does look like it could be flat; the flat-earther presumably is at least sincere. No one who has ever seen blacks in schools could have any doubt about the explanation for both the rate at which they are disciplined and their inability to perform academically.

  32. Anon7 says:
    @Lagertha

    My son had discipline problems. He lazed around in his non-math classes and talked back to teachers if he thought they didn’t know what they were talking about. I made some manipulative deals with him (“you can have a Playstation, but if you get a C, I take away your tech!”), but mostly I tried to be completely honest.

    I told him that if I thought he was a kid who would do his best and get “C’s” then I wouldn’t be tougher than that with him. But he was obviously a bright kid, those standardized tests that show what grade level you are reading at indicated that he should be reading Spinoza in middle school, and I said it would be irresponsible for me to just let him off. He agreed (smart, right?).

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  33. OFF TOPIC

    Navy lieutenant, wife arrested in FBI, NCIS raid in Florida

    (Tribune News Service) — A Navy Lieutenant and his wife were arrested in a joint FBI and NCIS raid Thursday in Florida near Naval Air Station Jacksonville.

    The raid occurred at the home of Navy Lt. Fan Yang and his wife, Yang Yang. Documents obtained by First Coast News say Fan Yang currently holds a top-secret US security clearance and is actively serving in the Navy in a sensitive anti-submarine warfare unit. He was assigned to the Maritime Patrol Reconnaissance Weapons School at Naval Air Station Jacksonville.

    Fan Yang was born in China, emigrated to the United States in 1999 as a teenager and became a US citizen in 2006, according to the documents.

    The accusations against the Yangs include conspiracy to defraud the United States, importing and manufacturing firearms, transfer of a firearm to a non-resident and conspiracy to violate federal law (specifically knowing submission of false and misleading export information).

    Fan Yang is also charged with illegal possession of a firearm by an alien admitted under a non-immigrant visa. His wife is accused of submitting false and misleading export information and fraudulently trying to export illegal merchandise from the US to China.

    The court documents say the couple worked together to assist a Chinese national in illegally possessing firearms between March 2017 and Sept. 2019.

    The documents indicate the couple lied to hide the true nature of that relationship.

    One account in the documents says Fan Yang requested time off from work to take his family to Disney.

    But investigators say credit cards linked to him and his wife show flights purchased to Sioux City, Iowa and a meal bought in Sioux City, Nebraska the weekend they were reportedly at the amusement park.

    That same weekend, documents say a one-way flight to an airport 100 miles away from Sioux City, Nebraska was also purchased by Fan Yang for the Chinese national. During an interview, Fan Yang denied that he and his wife had contact with a foreign national in the last seven years, documents said. He also denied any foreign financial interests despite records showing them having a Bank of China Account.

    According to documents, the Chinese national is the chairman of a Shanghai company named Shanghai Breeze Technology Co. From Nov. of 2016 through Aug. of 2019 approximately $205,000 were wire transferred between Shanghai Breeze and BQ TREE, LLC.

    On business cards obtained by the FBI, Yang Yang is listed as the chief consultant and Fan Yang as a consultant for BQ TREE, LLC.

    The Yangs moved into their home on Salamanca Ave. in July and according to neighbors have kept to themselves.

    Neighbors were surprised to see investigators show up at the house. “I’m kind of shocked!” Anthony Vaz said.

    “Because the chance that this is something big.”Vaz lives behind the Yangs and he says the only time he had contact with them was when he received a letter from them that they were building a fence around their property.

    With numerous felony charges, the Yangs could face fines and jail time. Fan Yang could also be released from the Navy and stripped of his security clearance.

    ___

    (c)2019 The Florida Times-Union (Jacksonville, Fla.)
    Visit The Florida Times-Union at http://www.jacksonville.com
    Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

    🙂

  34. @Neil Templeton

    Where’s Donut?

    Out following his -ugh-.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Hail
  35. syonredux says:

    It should be noted that the share of Asian students and American Indian/Pacific Islander students is too small to produce reliable national estimates for racial achievement disparities between them and White students.)

    Let’s see, there are roughly 18 million Asian-Americans…..Yep, a vanishingly small number……No need to study that group, yessiree….

  36. @Anon

    Thank you for your candor in using the direct and useful term “retard”.

  37. @unit472

    The soft racism of low expectations has lead to the hard reality of low performance.

    • Agree: Cortes
  38. syonredux says:
    @Gringo

    Ogbu’s work has some problems. For example, he made a big deal out of the Buraku (a Japanese caste that is heavily discriminated against in Japan):

    However, there is a problem with their argument when it is placed into cross-cultural perspective: Differences in group IQ are not necessarily the result of differences in genetic endowment. Consider the case of the Buraku minority in Japan, which has lower IQ test scores and lower school performance than the dominant Ippan group in the Japan, even though the two groups are of the same “race.” On the other hand, as immigrants to the United States, the Buraku minority and the Ippan majority do equally well on standardized tests, and both make good grades in school (DeVos, 1973; Ito, 1968; Y. Nabeshima, personal communication, August 30, 1999; Ogbu, 2001; Ogbu & Stern, 2001; Shimagara, 1991).

    Jason Molloy, however, has pointed out that Ogbu has no real evidence for this assertion:

    There is no data for Burakumin in the US. False claims about US IQ data have mutated second-hand from John Ogbu who claimed a study showed that the Baraku immigrants here “do slightly better in school than the other Japanese immigrants”. The book chapter Ogbu references for this claim (Ito 1966) however, is by a pseudonymous author who relied strictly on gossip from non-outcast Japanese communities in California to surmise how the outcasts here might be performing. The author’s informants believed the US outcasts were more attractive, more fair-skinned, and made more money. Though– as a testament to Ogbu’s immaculate scholarship– the author reported no gossip about how these Burakumin performed in school.
    * Ito, H. (1966) Japan’s outcastes in the United States. In G.A. deVos and H. Wagatsuma (eds.), Japan’s Invisible Race. Berkeley: University of California Press.”

    https://unsafeharbour.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/burakumin-and-koreans-in-japan/

    • Agree: HammerJack
  39. syonredux says:
    @newrouter

    Nah. Doctor Who is the biggest propaganda coup in history:

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  40. Rather than concerning ourselves with the Dindus’ penchant for explaining away their academic failures by pointing to the “reading/studying is acting White” trope, perhaps we should ask ourselves why we don’t advocate acting Asian – by which I mean acting White 100 years ago – study, work hard and keep your bitching and whining to yourself.

    It worked before.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @bomag
    , @SFG
  41. Politically-correct social scientists studying education and race try very, very hard to avoid the obvious empirical conclusion that the genetics of race have an impact on educational achievement. One of the statistical tricks that they use is to adjust for other race-linked achievement indicators which are very highly correlated with educational achievement. Be careful in interpreting studies where the researchers adjust the educational achievement gap for the parental income/parental education achievement gap. This “adjustment” massively dilutes the underlying mechanism and can make it statistically insignificant. Hence note this quote from Sailer’s discussion:

    ” One interesting finding is that the researchers can adjust away the white-Hispanic suspension rate gap by factoring in parents’ education and other measures of class and the like. In other words, whites and Hispanics of similar backgrounds tend to be pretty similar in behavior in the classroom, it’s just that a lot higher percentage of Hispanics are proles rather than bourgeoisie.”

    This does not mean that there is no educational achievement gap for Hispanics — it just means that it can be diluted to statistical insignificance by whitening out the closely related parental income/educational achievement gap. That is not an explanation of the gap, it is a restatement of it using a related metric.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @International Jew
  42. @Laurence Whelk

    ‘Thank you for your candor in using the direct and useful term “retard”.’

    The irony is that even ‘retard’ as a term for idiots must have acquired that meaning as a polite euphemism.

    After all, to retard something is to delay it. The implication of applying that term to someone who is lacking in intelligence is that that someday they’ll be just as smart as everyone else — it’ll just take them longer.

    …which is, of course, not true. Someone with an IQ of 65 is not going to master calculus — not even at forty rather than twenty.

  43. @Lagertha

    This Symphonica Artica video is interesting! – I liked lots of things about it – not least the connection alcohol – relatedness (sentiments for – – – trees etc.) and – – – – – WAVES (Freud could have liked this part especially for it is an example really for his idea of the OCEANIC feeling we all have such a deep longing for).

    Then there is the kid as the natural link between getting old and being grown up = and losing your own youth.

    Impressive and nice and fun and, this video is: As a freakishly good mini-opera! – Deep as the ocean (or the next bottle with – – – SPIRITS (spirits contained by  – water, water, one means to create  – – – WAVES… this is a nice circle, the old romantic feeling of all-connectedness (Fridrich Wilhelm Schelling) – – – .

    Reminds me of a roundabout – now I think of – – – Joni Mitchell and BLUE (Carousel of life) – and of Rainer Maria (!) Rilke, of course, and his Crousel in the Jardin du Luxemburg, in Paris).

    MERRY-GO-ROUND
    Jardin du Luxembourg

    Beneath an awning and its shade revolving,
    there passes every little while the stand
    Of dappled horses, hailing from the land
    Which lingers long before at last dissolving.
    Some, to be sure, parade to harness bent,
    But all display a mettlesome expression;
    A fierce red lion rides in the procession,
    And now and then a snow-white elephant.
    You even have, as in the wood, a stag,
    Though he is saddled too and bears along
    A sky-blue little girl strapped to his back.
    A boy in white is holding a thong
    Onto the lion with his small hot hand,
    The lion meanwhile baring teeth and tongue.
    And now and then a snow-white elephant.
    And here they swing alongside on the horses,
    Some girls all bright among them, who appear
    Almost too old for this; and in mid courses
    They lift their eyes to something over here —
    And now and then a snow-white elephant.
    All this goes by and hastens to its ending
    And turns and circles, aimless in its run.
    Some red, some green, some grey is borne along us,
    A sketchy profile hardly yet begun —
    From time to time a smile is turned upon us,
    A smile that blinds with blitheness, overspending
    Upon this gasping sightless round of fun …  

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  44. @Laurence Whelk

    perhaps we should ask ourselves why we don’t advocate acting Asian – by which I mean acting White 100 years ago – study, work hard and keep your bitching and whining to yourself.

    It worked before.

    Isn’t this what Steve Sailer does? I mean, he sure makes it look easy, but he could never succeed in doing so without hard word. – And he leaves out the whining part, just as you propose.

  45. @Laurence Whelk

    Eh…

    The left’s is for killing all retarded people in utero. Showing respect for them is not some globohomo thing we should be tempted to resist on principle or as contrarians.

    So yeah how about we go ahead and go all out of our way with the inconvenience of a couple extra letters out of respect for the retardED. They’ve got a tough row to hoe without people born with greater gifts gratuitously crapping on them.

    It doesn’t even matter if they know it or not, that’s not how honorable behavior is defined in the great european tradition to which we are heirs. And yes terms change over time and often in silly and arbitrary ways, but “retard” was never respectful and has always been a schoolyard slight.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  46. @Reg Cæsar

    Both are true gems, thanks for sharing them!

  47. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    End of a SJC evangelical:

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/man-on-fire

    Man on Fire
    For his entire life, Charles Moore sought to heed God’s call to change a broken world—fighting passionately for civil rights, helping the poor, and feeding the hungry. Until one day, in a desolate parking lot in Grand Saline, he decided he hadn’t done enough.

    After standing around all day, the man now seemed full of purpose. He began pouring something on himself—over his left leg, over his shoulder, down his right side, and finally on his head. It was such a hot day that maybe, the friends thought, it was water. But he was using a red can. “Is that gas?” McPherson asked. She and Munn stood up. The four stared as the man set the can aside and picked up something long and thin. “He has a lighter,” gasped Munn.

    The man was still kneeling, his back straight. He raised the lighter to his head.

  48. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Isn’t there a YouTube video of a Canadian cop saying whenever they bust pedophiles, they always find Star Trek stuff? Or maybe he was a hardcore Star Wars guy, attacking the enemy.

    • Replies: @Jon
    , @nymom
    , @Pericles
    , @Nico
  49. Hail says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    GOOD THINGS COME IN PINK BOXES

    [Citation needed]

  50. @Colin Wright

    “Mentally Defective” was the mean, old, and accurate term.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  51. “make trouble” is the perspective of the victim.
    “get in trouble” is the perspective of the perpetrator.

  52. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Tosches was a hell of a writer. I recommend pretty much anything he wrote.

    Another OT

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/obituary/8533604/nick-tosches-music-biographer-of-jerry-lee-lewis-and-dean-martin-dies

    Nick Tosches, a pioneering music journalist and writer of classic biographies about Jerry Lee Lewis and Dean Martin, died Sunday (Oct. 20) in New York City. He was 69.Nick Tosches, Music Biographer of Jerry Lee Lewis and Dean Martin, Dies at 69

    The cause of Tosches’ death had not yet been determined at press time, but he had been ill, according to a report in The New York Times.

    Tosches got his start as a music writer in the late 1960s alongside fellow writers Richard Meltzer and Lester Bangs. The three were labeled the “Noise Boys” and known for their “gonzo” style of journalism.

    Tosches wrote for music publications like Rolling Stone and Creem in the late 1970s and early ’80s. He went on to earn critical acclaim for his first biography, Hellfire: The Jerry Lee Lewis Story, in 1982. Ten years later he published the classic Martin biography Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams.

    He became a contributing editor to Vanity Fair in 1996. Tosches was also a novelist, penning fictional works like Cut Numbers (1988), In the Hand of Dante (2002), and Me and the Devil (2012).

    Tosches was married for a brief time in 1972, according to the Times. Information about his survivors were not available at press time.

  53. El Dato says:

    Wow, this confused me. So, a “discipline gap” between X and Y does not express the difference in undesired behaviour, but the difference in punishment being meted out? Do I get that right?

    And there is no study on correlation between undesired behaviour and meted-out punishment? And maybe an experiment or two on causal relationship between those two variables?

    All the clown seriousness of macroeconomics! Did they confound for depletion of the non-renewable magic dirt?

    • Replies: @Neuday
  54. Kronos says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    They’d likely get purged by the dutiful young if they published quality stuff .Their positions might not appear impressive to us, but there’s always someone who wants an education position. You have a lot of hungry adjunct professors sleeping in cars that require money to pay off student loans.

  55. So, do we need to start oppressing more Asians to get suffient data? Don’t worry, Harvard’s on the case.

  56. @Anonymousse

    The left’s is for killing all retarded people in utero.

    Correction: The left is all for killing white people in utero.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Clive Beaconsfield
  57. @Diversity is Great!

    🙂

    Question: Did he become a citizen before or after becoming a Navy officer?

  58. Jon says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, “all but one” has been “a hard-core Trekkie.”

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5857?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANTFlV1hhCpEXM2mqiZges3_H9paFQUn6eaAPCK-M-qCR1I_s70wx19D3K_o3FwtpQzwqAdL5QUJD1he6L1qiWCsu-esEAyT02FmCOyk6dsfjNEneVGH9FPHRIYVx0AcuTNKsF_kDCVYlpW6tQyyRvQLe3N_o373exr1Pqb823nO

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @SFG
    , @Kronos
  59. mrhayman says: • Website

    la giriffe things du lion so…

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/discipline.htm

    the data appears to be from a public source, but you should be able to get particulars from the authors as well, as all journals (the ones with impact factors of >20) now require open data access from those requsting them.

    • Replies: @res
  60. El Dato says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    The blackface scandal is objectively nothing, but voting for Justin Trudeau is definitely worrysome.

  61. Realist says:

    “Are Achievement Gaps Related to Discipline Gaps?”

    No achievement gaps are related to gaps between the ears.

  62. By way of anecdote, there is a glaring problem with these self-reported discipline reports. In my kids’ district, it is common knowledge that the white kids are punished more severely for minor infractions than the black kids. Out-of-school suspensions for black kids are for fighting, stealing, vandalism, etc. For white kids, it is taking pictures on your phone without permission, saying rude things, etc. The school staff feels pressured to demonstrate that they are not unfairly disciplining black students, but they keep getting into trouble and you can’t let some things go unpunished without chaos ensuing. The easier thing to do is punish the other groups more harshly. One teacher candidly told some of my relatives that they would not suspend a student who was torturing their child because of their fear of backlash from the aggressive mother.

  63. Flip says:

    Does Asian include both East and South Asian?

  64. Arclight says:

    Obviously none of these researchers have children that attend urban public schools with lots of diversity. The discipline gap shows up right out of the gate.

  65. El Dato says:
    @Jon

    Star Trek was cool, not because of the characters but because of that fully controlled space-faring house in space, which could be scarily subverted but always managed to survive for another day. Made me an engineer.

    Anyway… I don’t know what to say to this:

    After reviewing a bunch of episodes from the original Star Trek series, what became apparent is that sexuality on the Enterprise is pretty peculiar. At first blush, the crew might seem kind of sexy — big-breasted, scantily clad female crew members [???], men in skin-tight uniforms [not really], and Captain Kirk ripping off his shirt at the slightest hint of heat [????] — but the features of their sexuality are exaggerated [???] in the manner of a comic book, creating a hygienic distance from anything to do with real sexuality.

    Despite the cartoonish trappings of sexiness, there are, in fact, no sexual or romantic relationships aboard the Enterprise. The male crew members demurely ignore the sexually enticing (if antiseptic) [???] female crew members [Kirk is clearly a horndog, WTF]. There seems to be a tacit agreement that any sexual relationships would destroy the unity of the crew. In one episode, Mirror Mirror, the crew members are confronted by their evil, mirror counterparts in a parallel universe and discover that the parallel Starship is a hotbed of sexual activity, with no moral code.

    It’s as if they had been on to something in the 60’s, in regard to no fraternizing on a military-liberal mission to SPAAACE!

    And when it comes to relationships off the ship, Captain Kirk displays a truly astonishing emotional poverty. He goes from planet to planet, having trysts with an assortment of nubile women, but never forms any real attachments [so he’s like Ulysses]. By the next episode, the last female partner is forgotten.

    Okay.

    There’s a pervasive message that women are toxic.

    As I said, it’s as if they had been on to something in the 60’s.

    According to Dr. Peter Mezan, a psychoanalyst in New York City, “There is an impulse that is common to perversion and to utopian thinking. The wish is to create a world in which differences make no difference. The great utopian thinkers have been immensely inspiring, but there is a reason that utopian communities have never worked out. In the name of equality of every sort and in the attempt to eliminate the tensions that normally divide us, they propose to create a marvelously unnatural world without the usual boundaries. But then it gets all fucked up.”

    Yeah, we currently are having that problem in the real world.

    The writer, Ellen Ladowsky, also tries to impersonate John Cusack from the (rather excellent) movie “Room 1408”:

    Room 333: The Most Haunted Hotel Room in London

    (tl;dr: Nothing spooky detected, just a look-elsewhere effect)

  66. Black African students certainly get more discipline and perform better. Afro-Caribbeans are in between the two.

    I find the idea that LESS discipline would give higher achievement pretty hilarious. A complete inversion of reality. They think the Tiger Mom kids do so well from LACK of discipline?!

    Even with my black University undergrads, they often need a bit more of a firm voice, commanding tone. “Sit down” type stuff. They’re high-energy. Very often they’re better prepped, and participate better, than the more passive south-Asian (etc) udergrad students, they can often be better students in class, but they are also more work to get the best out of them. I like them but they need a different approach.

  67. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias

    The ads for “Oriental Women Want to Meet You” have ceased, replaced by ads for Depends.

    That hurts. Really, it does.

  68. bomag says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the insight.

    Do you think all-Black schools with all-Black teachers would see fewer discipline problems? I suspect there is a “receding horizon” here; i.e. if you remove Whitey from the mix, another reason to misbehave will come forward.

  69. Spangel says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    I would class Indios as the same as mestizos since the difference is mainly the degree of admixture.

    The third Hispanic class is the one that is partially black- Dominicans and the like. Some don’t like referring to themselves as black once in the us since they are technically mulattos. They also use the Hispanic label.

  70. jsm says:
    @Anon

    5. When you have retards in normal classes, they understandably are frustrated and put under stress and are bored and feel shamed and like morons (which in fact they are).

    6. An understandable reaction to this, especially for kids from chaotic, violent homes, is acting out.

    Then explain why most of the garbage that goes on with these kids, slugging other kids in the face, etc., happens on the playground where they’re not asked to do anything intellectual, but merely do the human-decency thing of waiting their turn for the spinner.

    Nah, it’s not that they’re frustrated and ashamed and feel like morons. They’re just mean. They’ve got mean genes. Which they got from their mean, violent parents.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  71. a slightly OT question: why are so many Black QBs and coaches doing well in the NFL? Especially the coaches. You could say the head coach just delegates the actual work to the assistants. But then there are more than a few Black assistant coaches in the league. Playing a zone defense must require intelligence and good communication. 95% of DBs and line backers are Black.

  72. bomag says:
    @Diversity is Great!

    Fan Yang is also charged with illegal possession of a firearm by an alien admitted under a non-immigrant visa. His wife is accused of submitting false and misleading export information and fraudulently trying to export illegal merchandise from the US to China.

    The court documents say the couple worked together to assist a Chinese national in illegally possessing firearms between March 2017 and Sept. 2019.

    This sounds like they were making money on the side with a shady business.

    Between the lines, he was passing intel.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  73. El Dato says:

    OT:

    Bannon back in the news, sadly because he aims bullshit movie at low-info people:

    Steve Bannon-backed flick attempts to expose evil lurking at heart of Huawei *cough* Huaxing: Ex-Trump advisor goes through the looking glass, round the corner and down the drainpipe

    Executive producer Bannon is pretty emphatic in stating that the film is about Huawei, which has always disavowed the influence of the Chinese state, claiming it would refuse to instate any backdoors should the Chinese government ask it to do so.

    The ad continues: “The technological monster that the Chinese Communist Party is using to devour the United States and the rest of the world… this is true life depiction of their true evil.”

    The blurb continues:

    Huaxing is much more than the equivalent of Apple in China. Her founder is the darling of the Chinese Communist Military with the deepest ties inside the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). Funded through cash injections by CCP, Huaxing has left a global trail of death, cyber theft, espionage and cooperation with America’s worst enemies, including Iran. When Huaxing hits 5G supremacy, America’s military and technological supremacy will be compromised at the hands of the CCP forever.

    It’s a nanomachine catastrophe, I tell you!

  74. bomag says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    For the most part, we applaud the Asian work ethic and positive accomplishment.

    I’m not sure I want to be ruled by them, or turn over our institutions to them.

  75. The trillions of dollars and countless man hours spent fruitlessly trying to prove that two things that are so obviously different are really just the same – it’s depressing.

    In an alternate universe humans explored the solar system and beyond, cured all major diseases, and abolished poverty.

    In this one we had Blacks.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  76. J.Ross says:

    The most common end of intellect in the world is waste by indolence: where intelligence mattered it was tempered by discipline.
    —-
    So much wrong here:

    the two [African] Americans were assaulted after they were seen ‘twerking’ at the nightclub, which led other nightclubbers to believe they were gay. Several Croatian men attacked the US airmen, which resulted in a trip to the local hospital where they were given medical attention for their injuries.

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/39152-zadar
    —-
    CNN is “discovering” 4chan’s /pol/ board yet again, this time through a professionally outraged mom “exposing” evil white supremacist terminology like “kek” (which is actually Korean).

  77. @ScarletNumber

    There would be one problem less.

    Maybe that’s sufficient to make the situation manageable. Less plausible solutions have been given a try.

  78. @Laurence Whelk

    In this one we had goodwhites.

    Fixed that for you.

    And please stop blaming blacks for intrawhite absurdities, do assume some responsibility for the actions of your fellow whites.

  79. Shaka Zulu’s men were overachievers. Of course, the penalty for not obeying an order was death. First offense.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  80. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    The social ‘sciences’ = Marxist politics by another name.

  81. @Laurence Whelk

    Thank you for your candor in using the direct and useful term “retard”.

    Hi-five!

  82. SFG says:
    @Neil Templeton

    My best guess is it’s near a military base (Steve’s posted on this, higher black/hispanic scores there) and the white average also isn’t that high (the gap is A-B, so if A is lower that decreases the gap too).

    • Replies: @FPD72
  83. SFG says:
    @Jon

    Well, I’m into D&D, so I guess I’m safe… 😉

    Seriously, it’s probably an incel thing.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Kronos
  84. Steve2 says:
    @Anon7

    Re: Ed schools

    There are two variables to future success, how hard you study and quality of teaching. They combine to form the basis of your actual utility after graduation. That is, utility to society, employer, and self.

    I have degrees from several U’s, so I have some perspective. The best educational experience I had was a technical Masters from an Ed College in the Midwest. It was 24/7 for me, combined with truly outstanding classes in Math and Science. Those Profs and the overall program were superb. Many of my fellow students were sharp and hard working.

    Pls reconsider blanket condemnation of Ed schools.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  85. @Diversity is Great!

    flights purchased to Sioux City, Iowa and a meal bought in Sioux City, Nebraska

    It’s South Sioux City, Nebraska. They’ll be hearing from our Real Calvinist about this, as well as from Mayor Rod Koch.

    North Sioux City is in South Dakota. That is “Where You Want to Be”:

    https://northsiouxcity-sd.gov

    They have a frightening City Hall. Not to mention a disturbing county shape. Union, indeed.

  86. @Wilkey

    Then I read an article about one of the kids who won the last spelling bee (there were eight winners, iirc, because they ran out of words). One of the kids said he practiced for five hours a day.

    What a waste.

    Love kids being interested in academic stuff … but there are few academic things as worthless as spelling competitions.

    They could be pushing forward learning history, geography, math, science, reading good literature … or just having fun as kids so they won’t be burned out on studying when it matters in college.

  87. Dr. X says:

    OT: The War on White Continues

    CBS reporter asks AOC why she is supporting “old white guy” Sanders

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/21/cbs_reporter_to_aoc_as_a_woman_of_color_why_endorse_an_old_white_guy_like_bernie_sanders.html

    (But not “old Jewish guy…)

    • Replies: @Hail
  88. SFG says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    I always wondered about the value, from a pure nationalist perspective, of the whole anti-intellectual Midwestern-Southern sports complex. (As a regular reader of this blog I am well aware smart white kids in flyover country are massively underepresented in elite colleges, but why don’t their parents care?) I mean, how is being good at football going to keep us from getting out-engineered by the Chinese? I guess back in the twentieth century it built athleticism and group cohesion, which is good for raising soldiers, but the military’s a much smaller part of the population nowadays. Is the fact that we’re good at sports going to help our soldiers when they get defeated by superior Chinese technology on some future battlefield?

    Comments from actual red-staters who know the reality on the ground welcome.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
  89. Jack D says:
    @Lagertha

    You have that backwards. The correct answer is no – even when minorities are disciplined at the same rate as whites, their achievement is still behind.

    The way you eliminate the discipline gap is by not disciplining minorities even when they misbehave. The misbehavior gap, like the achievement gap, appears to be unfixable but you can “fix” the discipline gap just by not enforcing discipline.

    You can also “fix” the achievement gap by not measuring achievement or measuring it by bogus methods. Schools do this thru grade inflation and they are working on getting rid of the SAT, which is the last objective method remaining. Objective measurement is a white man’s concept and has to go.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  90. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The Spelling Bee is now a South Asian (Indian) thing. I guess the E. Asians have math locked up and spelling is one area where Indians can beat them.

    It’s easy for whites to say “those grapes were sour anyway” but it really means something that whites (even Jewish whites) have disappeared from these kind of competitions. Maybe they were always the province of immigrant and provincial strivers but that not a complete excuse.

  91. @Anon7

    There seem to be clear differences in the personality/intelligence balance between blacks and whites: a black person with bright normal intelligence, on the right side of their Bell, will be extroverted, have a winning personality and excellent verbal skills, and will often be good at sports to top it off. But they will never be tops in physics or math. Never. The African guy I work with has a pleasant and winning personality, and his kids make top grades and win sports trophies. They will do well.

    Meanwhile, the school system has pathologized the more introverted and sensitive white 2-4 SD kids, especially the boys, by comparing their personalities to blacks. I’m convinced that is what has happened. They are being compared to blacks. It was better for white kids when white kids went to school with other white kids. I just attended my fifty year class reunion, and the senior class president was the smartest boy, a skinny redheaded kid with moonlike white skin, not very athletic either, and he wasn’t the only quite popular smartie that I remember from my school days so long ago. He was there at the reunion, a retired professional man, very successful, still fit and skinny. It’s only in the last 25 years that very high white intelligence has become pathologized. Did it start in movies and tv?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  92. @anonymous

    The ads for “Oriental Women Want to Meet You” have ceased, replaced by ads for Depends

    Oh, you’ll still have your Oriental women. Jesusa from Luzon and Ratanaporn from Chiang Mai will be changing those Depends.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
  93. JEG says:

    Is it possible to do research that looks at testosterone levels and discipline problems? Perhaps much of the discipline gap can be explained by the correlation between higher average testosterone levels and race.

  94. @Anonymous

    I can’t find the issue, but Richard Meltzer used to write a regular column in Creem magazine called “Dust My Pumice”, and wrote once about attending Nick Tosches’ wedding. The bride’s name was Sunny, as I recall.

  95. @Jack D

    The Spelling Bee is now a South Asian (Indian) thing. I guess the E. Asians have math locked up and spelling is one area where Indians can beat them.

    Do they have calligraphy bees in China and Japan?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  96. peterike says:

    Honestly, I just don’t care anymore.

  97. nymom says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    It is really frightening how what I previously considered to be a pretty normal country is in the process of re-electing a total moron to be their leader again…

    It says something about some basic flaws in the system and its nothing good…

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  98. Neuday says:
    @El Dato

    Are you retarded? All races behave the same, so any differences in discipline is due to bias on the part of those doing the disciplining. The country is filled with teachers who look forward to each workday filled with undeserved punishment of black kids.

  99. @Colin Wright

    The common insults for stupid people are derived from psychological terms that were meant to be clinical in nature. From low to high: idiot, imbecile, moron. Retard was coined to replace those terms.

    Now the term du jour is “exceptional”, which I guess isn’t a total lie, as one can be exceptionally bad at something.

  100. Spangel says:
    @Jack D

    Not really. The us math Olympiad team usually has a south Asian or two on it. In recent years, the highest ranking us math Olympiad student is nearly as likely to be south Asian as they are East Asian.

    My guess is that practicing for spelling bees don’t burn south Asians out in the way they playing basketball for hours doesn’t burn black boys out. It’s where their minds like to be.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  101. nymom says:
    @Redneck farmer

    This could make some sense as making that much investment in a TV series to become a trekkie could point to some sort of developmental delays…

    Maybe these guys (developmentally anyway) haven’t accepted they are adults so think fraternizing with children is normal thus leading to these sort of sexual encounters…

    I actually was thinking this a few weeks ago hearing about another one of these cases of a female teacher having sex with a teenager. Maybe this was a woman who never accepted becoming an adult and still wants to be a teenager. Similar thing.

    Maybe…

  102. Spangel says:
    @Jack D

    It seems to me that the smart fractions of the Eurasian races have a preponderance of strength as follows:

    1. Whites- relatively even in aptitude between math, verbal and spatial skills with greatest advantage in spatial reasoning as shown by the racial distribution of top chess players.

    2. East Asians- heavily biased towards quant aptitude with some strength in spatial reasoning and relative weakness in verbal reasoning.

    3. South Asians- strongest in verbal domains with pretty good aptitude in math and somewhat less in spatial reasoning. Like whites, the south Asian smart fraction is not especially weak in any aptitude domain.

  103. Lurker says:
    @Redneck farmer

    “Educationally sub-normal” was another one.

  104. Lurker says:
    @ScarletNumber

    “Gay” has followed a similar trajectory. Now it’s an insult.

    If one changes the term for something seen as negative the new word doesn’t magically make it positive. Instead the word changes it’s meaning to conform with that being described.

  105. @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, you’ll still have your Oriental women. Jesusa from Luzon and Ratanaporn from Chiang Mai will be changing those Depends.

    “Ratanaporn”!!! Beautiful.

    I’d still prefer those two Southeast Asian ladies than to be “elder cared” by Latish, Tonacia, and Deshawn, who would probably prefer to slowly smother me with those Depends. You know, for psychic reparations and so forth and what have you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/14/elderly-care-staff-accused-pitting-residents-against-each-other-dementia-fight-club/?outputType=amp

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  106. syonredux says:
    @SFG

    Well, I’m into D&D, so I guess I’m safe… 😉

    Dunno…..

  107. Pericles says:
    @Redneck farmer

    whenever they bust pedophiles, they always find Star Trek stuff

    “To go where no man has gone before …”

  108. @unit472

    According to Thomas Sowell thousands of teachers from New England went to the South immediately after the Civil War and set up small schools in the South in order to teach freed blacks and modify their behavior to according to New England norms. Former pupils of these schools were vastly over represented in the black leadership of that time.

  109. @Laurence Whelk

    I’ll go one better as a fan of quaint verboten language: Retardate

  110. There’s no lack of achievement in the President’s family and the Media is starting to try to derail a Donald Trump Jr candidacy in 2024. They are afraid!

    Donald Trump Jr.: provocateur, master preacher for father

  111. A Berkeley sociology prof used that trick (what shall we call it — strategic multicollinearity?) to “prove” that Berkeley’s admissions office wasn’t giving blacks any advantage. One of his covariates, though, was participation in some kind of college-readiness program for black 12th graders.

    I kid you not. This came out about 15 years ago to some fanfare in the press.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @res
  112. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, and you REALLY don’t want to be one of the losers whose calligraphy is judged to be poor:

  113. @Peter Johnson

    My reply to this ended up as an independent comment — #87.

  114. Barnard says:
    @Diversity is Great!

    That same weekend, documents say a one-way flight to an airport 100 miles away from Sioux City, Nebraska was also purchased by Fan Yang for the Chinese national.

    It has to be Omaha, why did they word it like that? Most of the vibrancy being added to the Sioux City area has been of the Hispanic meat packing plant variety. Why would Chinese gun runners want to meet there? This article has more information and answers the citizenship questions, joined in 2005, became a citizen in 2006, left the Navy in 2007 and rejoined in 2012 when he quickly obtained top security clearances. We live in a banana republic.

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/fbi-raids-home-in-san-jose-neighborhood

    • Agree: sayless
  115. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    I’d say it’s on topic.

    This guy was a showman who found an outlet hectoring White people from the pulpit to embrace the Black; the Gay; the poor sub-continental Indian.

    He pretty much got everything he preached for, except for the unclosable gap that requires even more effort and more hectoring about racism.

    Meanwhile, he had three marriages; was estranged from his kids; and made a spectacle of killing himself in another bid for attention.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  116. res says:
    @mrhayman

    Thanks for that La Griffe du Lion link!

    Regarding iSteve’s

    Unfortunately, I haven’t found a way to get access to their data, so I don’t know what their data would show in the way of examples.

    From the paper:

    This article combines data from the Stanford Education Data Archive (SEDA), which contains achievement gap information for approximately 2,000 school districts nationwide with disciplinary data from the Civil Rights Data Collection (CRDC).

    To examine the relation between racial discipline gaps and racial achievement gaps, we drew district-level data from two sources. First, we gathered disciplinary data for the 2011–2012 and 2013–2014 school years from the CRDC. Second, we gathered achievement data for the 2011–2012
    and 2013–2014 school years from the SEDA version 2.1.1 We limited our focus to the 2011–2012 and 2013–2014 school years because these were the only two school years for which a CRDC census of all U.S. public schools overlapped available SEDA data.

    The CRDC data is available at https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Home
    It looks like the most appropriate tool for getting the data is the Outcome Rate Calculator:
    https://ocrdata.ed.gov/DataAnalysisTools/DataSetBuilder?Report=4

    There you can select up to 250 districts by state (there are other options, but that seems like the most useful). I looked at Alabama for 2013-2014 (~160 school districts). After generating the report it was easy to download the data as an Excel spreadsheet. The easiest analysis to do is to sort by column AE (Out of school suspension ratio for black vs. white). This can be done using the web interface or in Excel. 17 districts had a higher rate for whites and 25 districts were n/a (no white OSS). Of those 25, 15 were tiny schools with no OSS at all, the other 10 had heavy black majorities.
    One of those schools had only two Asian students, both of whom received OSS. I’ll bet the lives of those two kids are filled with joy.

    The data contains school district ID (which I believe is also in the SEDA data as variable leaidC, may be subtly different though since the C in leaidC indicates that charter schools are included) so should be easy to merge with SEDA.

    Having to do it per state (and for two separate school years) is a bit cumbersome, and some data cleaning is necessary. For example:

    Prior to aggregating school-level counts to the district level, we excluded any school that reported a missing suspension count for any racial group.2 We also excluded schools classified as alternative, vocational, special education, or other.

    Because suspension counts were measured in terms of students and not incidents, values greater than 1 were theoretically impossible. We therefore designated any suspension rate that exceeded 1 as a missing value.

    Worth noting that the researchers focused on risk differences rather than risk ratios. Not sure why they used their own school to district aggregation rather than just using the data by district.

    To be clear, we measured racial discipline gaps in terms of risk differences: the suspension rates for minority students (Black and Hispanic students, respectively) minus the suspension rates for White students in each school district. Therefore, a risk difference greater than zero means that minority students are suspended at higher rates than White students. As a robustness check, we also report results wherein discipline gaps are measured in terms of relative risk ratios, that is, the suspension rates for minority students divided by the suspension rates for White students in each district. A risk ratio greater than 1, then, means that minority students are at a greater risk for suspension relative to White students. As discussed in more detail in the Results section, substantive conclusions are robust to this alternative measure of disciplinary disparity.

    Seems sensible to focus on the ratios instead since that is explicitly in the CRDC data.

    The easiest thing to do would be to pick a smallish (dozen or so?) districts from your SEDA data then use the school district IDs to download the corresponding CRDC data. Then merge and analyze as you like. A few pithy examples are probably better than the full data set anyway (at least for a blog post).

    Steve, if downloading the data is too much of a headache, how about you reply to this comment with a list of 10-20 school district IDs and which year you want and I’ll put together a CSV for another comment?

  117. res says:
    @International Jew

    We talked about that a couple of years ago (thanks again for pointing me to it). Here is a summary:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/did-the-pc-cause-pc/#comment-1886385

    But if we look at the other variables we see that two of the most significant are:
    Eligible in Local Context (ELC) – i.e. UC has determined a GPA cutoff for the top 9 percent of the rising senior class for each participating high school.
    UC Berkeley Outreach Program – i.e. http://eaop.berkeley.edu/ EAOP partners with schools, districts, community organizations and families to empower underserved students and prepare them for college and career success. (worth noting that the coefficient for engineering is half that of L&S for this variable)
    Low income is also significant, but not nearly as much so.

    Gosh, I wonder what the demographics of those who get boosts from those variables look like.

    These people are shameless.

    And here is a follow on link which includes a working archive link to that 2005 report:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-paid-6-5-million-to-college-admissions-scamster-rick-singer-not-hard-to-guess/#comment-3185038

    P.S. I like “strategic multicollinearity.” Perhaps we should start using it more? This is a perfect thread for it.

  118. Hail says: • Website
    @Dr. X

    CBS reporter asks AOC why she is supporting “old white guy” Sanders

    The CBS reporter was Nikole Killion.

    Yes, Nikole with a ‘k.’

  119. DRA says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    And then there is an additional ingredient in people from the hot and/or moist islands and lands between the high country of Mexico and the andes.

  120. @ScarletNumber

    So do you think a class of retarded black kids would behave, since they’re all on the same level?

    They’d likely behave in a way they’d recognize as behaving (i.e. not fighting, not having sex on the desks, not attacking the teacher, etc). Asking them to sit quietly and pay attention to a teacher droning on about French verbs or the Battle of Kings Mountain or Geometry is a bit much.

    My high school (mid-Atlantic in the 80’s) was about 10% black (most of them bused in from a different part of the county). Of the black kids, maybe 15-20% attended the mainstream classes with the white kids, about 50-60% attended more remedial classes but that would be recognized by a casual observer as classes, while the remainder were put in what amounted to a holding pen.

    This holding pen was on the first floor of our three-story building (normal classes were all on the second and third floors). The first floor contained (in addition to the holding pen) the gym, weight room, auto shop, wood shop, the band and other music rooms, etc. Basically it was where you could make a ton of noise and nobody would care. The holding pen was overseen by a burly assistant football coach. One day I needed to speak to the coach about something so went to his class. Some of the kids were looking at comic books, some had positioned a few of the desks into a make-shift drum set and were pounding away, some were throwing a nerf ball around, there was a TV with what looked like sports highlights playing, there was a lot of running around, etc. As far as I could tell, that’s all they did all day for the entire school year. The principal recognized that trying to force kids that were retarded, bound-and-determined to not learn, and whose…parents…didn’t care one way or the other was pointless.

  121. fish says:
    @Anonymous

    Last time I checked suicide was a mortal sin! And this act could only be construed to be such.

    Maybe he missed that chapter….

  122. Tipsy says:

    I’m so old that I remember that the question was “Are achievement gaps related to nutrition gaps?” That was before de facto universal school lunch programs.

  123. @Mr McKenna

    I mean, most people killed in utero in the United States are not white, and the libs have no apparent interest in changing that.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  124. Jack D says:
    @Spangel

    When my daughter got her medal for qualifying for SET (SAT M or V over 700 before age 13) there was a good sprinkling of S. Asians in there but not as many as E. Asians. There were still some white people (don’t know what it’s like now – this was a dozen years ago) but blacks and Latinos were nowhere to be found. I think that in the whole history of SET there have only been a handful and most of those (I’m guessing) were not unmixed American slave descendant Moochelle type blacks.

    This is photo is not from her year but the demographics looked about like this:

    I’m sure that most of these kids are now in a PhD. lab somewhere – that’s the typical career path of SET members.

  125. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gringo

    Blacks don’t apply themselves because they have a short time horizon, and they don’t see any reward for studying. If they saw more incentive to do it, they would study harder.

  126. @ScarletNumber

    The common insults for stupid people are derived from psychological terms that were meant to be clinical in nature. From low to high: idiot, imbecile, moron. Retard was coined to replace those terms.

    “Retard” is a verb. “Retarded,” an adjective. For a noun, you need something like person, people, boy, girl, etc. You would then use the adjective “retarded” to modify that noun. As in, “The retarded college administrator cancelled the speech, due to Commie pressure.” That’s if you’re wanting to use standard English.

    “Retard” or “‘tard” is incorrect, used as a noun. One might almost describe the user as … retarded?

  127. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    White kids who have IQ 70 are almost always FLKs (funny looking kids). They have had some profound brain injury or genetic defect that has left them damaged and 2 SDs below the white norm and you can see this not only in their tested IQ but in their whole gestalt – their speech, their gait, their social skills, etc. They just ain’t quite right and you don’t need a test to figure this out.

    But IQ 70 blacks can appear to be (in fact are) just normal blacks on the lower end of the normal range for blacks. There is nothing “wrong” with them – they are just not capable of doing work that requires average (white) intelligence.

  128. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    There has always been a large segment of the white population that doesn’t care about grades, and their kids do just enough to get by in school. These people are not academics, and they don’t voluntarily read a book as adults. They don’t even own books in their households. It’s a New England mental fallacy to think all whites are academically inclined because there is a large concentration of academically inclined whites in New England who have moved there for jobs. But they are not a representative sample of the white population in the US.

    Secondly, whites have a tendency to get along on native smarts instead of book leaning. I’ve known many people who don’t read for pleasure who are good practical problem solvers, and practical problem solvers know that they’re getting decent jobs because of this trait. They tend to go into management or end up starting small businesses. They don’t think it’s the end of the world if they don’t get straight As, because some of know they’ll be managing the straight A drones. Teamwork and character matter more to these people, because they know an organization will fall apart without these traits.

    Teamwork and character built much of what we call Western Civilization, not just individual genius. Leonardo da Vinci’s genius did well for himself, but it did nothing to make a country-wide middle class. It takes teamwork and character on a large scale to make a country’s economy work properly so that everyone benefits.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anon
  129. @res

    Ha, f’in Michael Hout (now at NYU)! I was trying to remember his name.

    That stupid trick wouldn’t fool a college student with one semester of econometrics behind him. Unfortunately, this includes almost zero journalists.

  130. @res

    Strategic multicollinearity is a possible term. The trick involves using multicollinearity to dilute or eliminate politically incorrect conclusions. In normal circumstances, researchers want to avoid using two or more highly multicollinear variables since that makes statistical findings weaker, and ambiguous regarding which explanatory variable is causing the effect. Strategic multicollinearity is used when the analyst does not like his/her findings and so wants to hide them behind a more politically palatable explanation.

  131. Bruno says:

    Retarded is a term related to (age) quotient intelligence theory (intellectual quotient) wich is abandoned since long for continuous differences at all ages, not only for children.

    So the so call retard will never catch up because he has probzvly no retard. Just being less endowed.

  132. @Jack D

    but it really means something that whites (even Jewish whites) have disappeared from these kind of competitions.

    Yes, but I think it means only that Indians have attached a bizarre level of important to them and taken them over. Whites and Jews entered spelling bees when they were good-natured competitions to see which kids were good at spelling. Maybe you’d have your kid flip through the dictionary for a few hours the weekend prior. Spelling is a part of being literate of course, but just one tiny part – a part your word processor can do for you. Spelling bees are like lifting weights daily, but ONLY with the right bicep.

    But if your kid has to study 5 hours/day to keep up with some Desi that thinks they’re in the Olympics then why bother? It’s not THAT important. If the Badwhite kids wanted to spend 5 hours/day memorizing dictionaries, I’d be very concerned. Sure I want them to be good spellers, but I also want them to be good at countless other things.

    Spelling bees are just another thing in the long list of things ruined by mass immigration, another nice thing we can no longer have. Who thinks it is a good idea to admit hordes of people (from a country with an unlimited supply of people) that think spelling bees are worth making their kids study 5 hours/day? What’s next for these weirdos, who can remember Pi out to the most decimal places? Professionalized spelling bees are only slightly less dumb than “competitive eating”.

  133. FPD72 says:
    @SFG

    Frisco is NOT a military city. The nearest military installation of any type is a naval reserve air station at what used to be Carswell AFB in Ft. Worth, 59 miles away.

    My guess is that Frisco, being a new city, doesn’t have much in the way of public housing and little use for Section 8 in its upscale neighborhoods. By “new,” I mean rapid growth from a small town in 1994 (one Class 3A high school) to a large suburb (ten Class 5A high schools). Only 2.2% of households are below the poverty line. The median home price is $500,000. Blacks are less than 9% of the population, so they lack a critical mass of numbers to impose “keeping it real” on each other.

    Bottom line: Frisco pulls from the talented tenth in the DFW area who want to escape ghetto undertow, have intact families, and expect their kids to do well in school.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  134. (It should be noted that the share of Asian students and American Indian/Pacific Islander students is too small to produce reliable national estimates for racial achievement disparities between them and White students.)

    Something to be remembered whenever it is claimed American Indians are educationally disadvantaged in the United States. “That’s not what a study says! There are too few of them!”

  135. we find robust evidence that the positive association between the Black-White discipline gap and the Black-White achievement gap persists after controlling for a multitude of confounding factors.

    Having to be “disciplined” by the school is basically a proxy for being a disruptive and undisciplined student. So their “positive association” could be more accurately interpreted as “robust evidence” that being disruptive and undisciplined is negatively correlated with achievement.

    But that conclusion would be both too obvious and too politically incorrect. So it’s another garbage social science study that the hacks at the NYT can cite as evidence of phantom “systemic racism.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  136. Nico says:
    @Redneck farmer

    It was also in the L.A. Times and according to the Toronto police the connection is “undeniable”: in fact, it’s become something of a running joke for them.

    It is well-established in biology that in colonies of congeners of a social, sexually dimorphic species the females tend to avoid mating with males whose behavior deviates from the group norm, as deviant behavior may indicate undesirable genetic anomalies. In higher order animals this is expressed in the social stigmatization of “nerds, freaks and geeks” immediately after adolescence.

    We live in a curious age in that the chattering classes have on the one hand for at least two decades been engaging in a relentless war against said stigmatization (e.g., “fight bullying”) and on the other have (largely through the efforts of their second-wave-feminist wing) raised awareness of and vigilance against pedophilia in some cases to hysterical levels (see the Day Care Sex Abuse Moral Panic), as though these two socio-psychological phenomena were completely as hoc and idiosyncratic. (Such an approach is however coherent with their proclivity to shill for increased subsidies to psychiatric services, which treat individual cases, in the face of adolescent suicides and massacres rather than pointing the finger at social atomization and relentless demonization of the historic American identity.)

    A couple decades ago I don’t think anyone would have hired or leased an apartment to a “Brony.” That’s also changed.

    Of course they’re not 100% consistent in that approach: when discussing the problem for example of pedophile priests (which is not actually the core problem with that affair, which is the cover-up), they’ll quickly suggest that only a freak would accept (formally) to forego sex and marriage for life… but by no means should “ordinary” uncommitted freaks (including homosexuals) be so stigmatized!

    • Replies: @sayless
  137. @Reactionary Utopian

    Based on your comment, one might almost describe you as … pedantic? Autistic? A grammar Nazi? A smug, orgulous drone?

    But that would be impolite.

  138. @Reactionary Utopian

    One might almost describe the user as … retarded?

    Someone is retarded here, but not who you think. Someone who doesn’t understand that a word can be converted from one part of speech to another.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  139. Arclight says:

    In other news, looks like Bezos’ Urban Achievers are not aware of or impressed by his beneficence:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-amazon-dunbar-high-school-student-reaction-video-2019-10

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  140. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    These “studies” don’t resemble science in any way. They are the opposite of science – you start out with your preferred conclusion and then look for evidence to support it. You put aside any evidence that points in another direction. This is exactly how you build a legal or political case (“My client is innocent” or “Candidate A is the Best One”) but has nothing to do with how science is supposed to be done.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  141. @Anon7

    Asians outdo whites on test scores, but whites have the best combination of intellectual and behavioral firepower. One sees this with great frequency in law and finance. The Asians have higher test scores, better grades, sure, but often have minimal social skills…often when it counts (negotiations, oral argument, parties and client dinners, etc.). Sure, some of them might be office gossips and thus are nominally “social” (but not many), but they are not great communicators or leaders, especially in interactions without their own culture. They are mostly just introverted droneish workers and that has its limits. ALL they can do is push. They usually lack intellectual creativity and social charm and if you back them into a strategic corner, get them off point, they can’t finesse their way out. They are no good on their feet.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @Moses
  142. The top 5 worst race gaps were found in Berkeley, Chapel Hill, Shaker Heights, Asheville, and Evanston: i.e., all famously liberal places.

    The east side of Evanston is run by liberals, the west side of Evanston is run by the Gangster Disciples street gang.

  143. Jilla says:

    Ot, but this is a pretty funny example of the coalition of the fringes

    Teens hurled racial slurs, peed on student during high school football game: cops: https://nypost.com/2019/10/22/teens-hurled-racial-slurs-peed-on-student-during-high-school-football-game-cops/

  144. JMcG says:
    @Lagertha

    Whoa whoa whoa, even President Trump?

  145. @Laurence Whelk

    “Ratanaporn”!!! Beautiful.

    That was rather unfair of me, as Thailand is admirably on the low end of Asian sources of immigrants to the US. (Other than refugees from third countries.) I just wanted to use one of those lovely Thai lady names that end in -porn.

    I think it means “blessing”; can any old Indochina hands here tell us?

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
  146. @Jack D

    White kids who have IQ 70 are almost always FLKs (funny looking kids). They have had some profound brain injury or genetic defect that has left them damaged

    That is an interesting observation that sort of rings true.

    It makes sense that individuals at the extreme ends of a “normal” distribution may be affected by special conditions that aren’t “normal.” Think about how the tallest and shortest people ever recorded are basically suffering from abnormal pituitary diseases. https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/hall-of-fame/robert-wadlow-tallest-man-ever/

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/worlds-shortest-man-is-215-inch-tall-nepalese-72-year-old/

    You’d think this phenomenon would show up statistically in the form of a slight “bump” at the left tail of the “normal” distribution where brain injuries, diseases, genetic defects, etc. would create a slightly larger than expected number of low-IQ individual.

    It’s also interesting to speculate about whether some “disease” or “defect” — like pituitary gigantism for the brain — could result in off-the-chart intelligence in rare cases. If it did, we probably wouldn’t know about it because current IQ tests can’t really measure out beyond four sigma or so.

    • Replies: @res
  147. @Marquandian Hero

    The Asians have higher test scores, better grades, sure, but often have minimal social skills…often when it counts (negotiations, oral argument, parties and client dinners, etc.).

    You are trafficking in gross generalizations . . . but you’re not wrong.

    Interestingly, blacks are basically the mirror image of this Asian profile. They may have sub-par critical thinking skills but are often very socially adept and able to “talk a good game.”

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  148. Kronos says:
    @Jon

    There was a Principal in my school district who decorated his office with dozens of Star Trek plates. Even elementary school students thought it pretty weird. I understand correlation doesn’t always mean causality but still…

  149. Kronos says:
    @Jack D

    Arther Jensen did superb work documenting this reality.

  150. prosa123 says:
    @bomag

    Meanwhile, he had three marriages; was estranged from his kids; and made a spectacle of killing himself in another bid for attention.

    Yet his self-immolation wasn’t much of a spectacle. He did it in the parking lot of a rather run-down small shopping center in a one-stoplight town with an “audience” of two salon workers and their boyfriends.

    • Replies: @bomag
  151. kihowi says:
    @Reactionary Utopian

    This is spectacular. I want to hear your explanations about literally every subject.

  152. Kronos says:
    @SFG

    I’ve always been a fan of “Warhammer 40,000.” It supports the development of family values and a strong moral character.

  153. @Jack D

    These “studies” don’t resemble science in any way.

    A very worthwhile project would be for someone to start a highly rigorous academic journal that was wholly dedicated to debunking these types of fake studies — call it the “Skeptical Review,” or something like that. As it stands, they just sit out there unopposed, polluting the intellectual environment with their disinformation and sophistry.

  154. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    White kids who have IQ 70 are almost always FLKs (funny looking kids).

    Not true.

    • Replies: @res
  155. bomag says:
    @William Badwhite

    …said he practiced for five hours a day

    From my experience, they don’t mind stretching things a bit, so I’d take this with a grain of salt. They do seem to have a knack for spelling.

    Agree with your comment; it is a conquering mentality on their part, and not good when they have no qualms about surrounding themselves with ethnic kin in any endeavor they conquer.

    “We should have spelled the words ourselves.”

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  156. @Jack D

    Yep. There seems to be some component of the Indian Brahmin brain that really takes to just memorizing stuff. Perhaps from memorizing the Vedas? It seems to be a sweet spot for them.

    But no sour grapes from this whitey’s corner. I think having a decent vocabulary is generally goodness–the grasping finer distinctions amongst words helps with honing the mind. However, most languages have much smaller vocabularies than English does and people can still think clearly in them. And i’ve just never thought an intense focus on spelliing words was at all interesting. More useful than baseball batting averages … but not by much.

    Use that memorization skill and memorize some geography, some history, some biology … something real.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  157. @Arclight

    That’s hilarious. I wonder what the security goon would have done if these youths decided to play the knock-out game?

  158. Porcupine says:

    When I saw the title of this article, I immediately (and incorrectly) jumped to the conclusion that somebody was finally looking to to the the relationship between discipline in the home and ability to achieve in school….

  159. bomag says:
    @prosa123

    Yeah, he had qualms about the thing. I guess doing it small scale was a bit of a solace for him. Earlier plans involved doing it on a college campus.

    His preaching to sacrifice it all for the Other is one of the things that has us in a mess today. There was supposed to be some payback from the sacrifice-ee, but they saw it as a weakness to be exploited.

  160. El Dato says:
    @KL

    > “It was more than just a word”
    > NAACP demands that fraternity be disbanded. Additionally, the school must update its hate speech code, hire new black members of staff, and adopt a mandatory diversity course, lest it “create a culture in which racism is tolerated and normalized,” the group warned in a letter published in the student paper.
    > University of Connecticut now hiring a Diversity Commissar

    More like this!

  161. @Hypnotoad666

    blacks are basically the mirror image of this Asian profile. They may have sub-par critical thinking skills but are often very socially adept

    Some are this way but I’d guess they’re on the right side of the black bell curve and tend to be who whites would encounter in a professional (i.e. both the white and black are working there and are approximately equals) setting. Having interacted with blacks in coaching, schooling, and in more hierarchical work environments, I found lots of them avoid eye-contact, often mumble, and generally lack self-confidence.

    • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
  162. @Achmed E. Newman

    A friend of mine laments growing up in Delaware, saying how boring it is and nothing good ever came from there. I told him, what are you talking about? You have George Thorogood!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  163. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    I was one word away from the National Spelling Bee a long, long time ago. I never studied spelling at all, I just never stopped reading. There can be nothing more soul destroying than memorizing lists of words that carry no information.
    Imagine having an award for memorizing lists of random numbers.
    Spelling Bees weren’t invented by a kid, of that you may be sure.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  164. Ed says:
    @Steve Richter

    Doing well? I can think of 2-3 doing well:
    Russell Wilson: He descends from the black elite or upper middle class. I think he has 2 grandparents that were presidents of HBCUs. His dad was a lawyer or some other advanced professional.

    Mahomes: Mixed race, dad a pro baseball player. A-Rod is his godfather or very close to him.

    Jackson with Ravens- mainly doing it with his legs but has thrown some good passes. Still we’re always from saying he’s good to great.

    Most black QBs aren’t doing well but many of the white ones stink too.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  165. Bruno says:
    @William Badwhite

    At wich point being a bit better at spelling starts to be a bad thing ?

    You could simply say that Uber-immigrants are a bad thing as unter-immigrants.

    But then, it should applied to the Jews. True, the whites were probably a very bad thing for the natives not speaking about the Jews who had advised them in the XIXth century

  166. AndrewR says:

    What is up with the ads? Is Unz going through a rough patch? Can we at least get an Unz Premium option? The ads are obnoxious.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  167. @FPD72

    I wonder if the black and Hispanic students in Frisco, TX do well in part because Frisco’s white students aren’t supersmart intellectuals like in Berkeley and Evanston, but instead are more jock/cheerleaders with surprisingly decent grades-types.

    • Replies: @Perry Mason
    , @Lagertha
  168. @Steve2

    How do you get a “technical Masters” from an Ed school?

  169. @bomag

    Good catch, I bet even compliant Desi kids would rebel at memorizing words for 5 hours/day.

    “We should have spelled the words ourselves.”

    That’s funny. And I agree. I suspect we’ll regret letting Indians in more than any other flavor of POC (except the original – SSA’s).

    • Replies: @foobc1
  170. @SFG

    School sports aren’t inherently anti-intellectual except at the really fanatic schools where the jocks get fake grades.

    Team sports are practice for organized aggression, which every serious country needs to cultivate and manage in case of war.

    Sports are also a better alternative to what the kids would probably be doing otherwise – dicking around with their phones.

    That said, if we spent half as much energy on science as we do on sports, we’d cure cancer in five years.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  171. foobc1 says:
    @William Badwhite

    Words/language are more natural for Indian kids vs. Chinese, since English words are all Indo-European language words. The “Indo-” in that phrase, incidentally and specifically refers to native north Indian languages, all descended from Sanskrit.

    Math is also easy for the Ind0-Europeans vs. Chinese – once again, Indo-Europeans invented much of it. There isn’t any Chinese/Asian math inventros from ancient times – they were all Indo-European. Which is why it is funny why Americans think Asians are good at math. They are good at memorizing yes, but zero creativity.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  172. FPD72 says:

    Jocks and Jills would be no more than 20% of the students. The large number of Asians shopping at Costco in north Plano and Stonebriar Mall in Frisco would seem to indicate that they are present, probably more in the schools than their 10% of the Frisco population.

    An article in American Enterprise magazine more than a decade ago said that “the elites in Dallas are still meat eaters,” writing of the athletic prowess of suburban schools (especially Highland Park) but applicable to Southlake, Plano and Frisco as well. They might not be Asian grinds, but they score well on their SATs and get into top universities. I wouldn’t bet against them in academic competition with Berkeley.

  173. Spangel says:
    @AnotherDad

    Looks like there is still academic quiz bowl.

    This one seems like the competition that no ethnicity clearly dominates. Though Asians and south Asians are overrepresented among high level participants in general, the best students are often white.

    https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament/individuals.jsp?tournament_id=9500

  174. @Reactionary Utopian

    My kids would say of you that you are a Reta (“ree-tuh”) or you are small brained. That is what the kids say these days.

    • Replies: @Reactionary Utopian
  175. @bomag

    You can’t “control for” “dependent” variables.

  176. Spangel says:
    @foobc1

    I think it’s more likely that East Asians independently invented some math concepts and that there was a lack of knowledge transfer between the Far East and Europe whereas there was fairly good knowledge transfer between South Asia, the Middle East and Europe.

    Looking at recent history, there isn’t much reason to say East Asians aren’t capable of creativity and mathematical innovation. Several fields medalists have been East Asian. A huge proportion of math faculty at top research universities are East Asian. At some point, one ought to stop projecting the stereotypical personality type of the average Asian into the far right tails in mathematical ability.

  177. @Steve Richter

    “Playing a zone defense must require intelligence and good communication. 95% of DBs and line backers are Black.”

    Success at cornerback and score on the Wonderlic have a negative correlation.

  178. syonredux says:
    @Anon

    There has always been a large segment of the white population that doesn’t care about grades, and their kids do just enough to get by in school. These people are not academics, and they don’t voluntarily read a book as adults. They don’t even own books in their households.

    Yeah. It’s hard for people like myself to understand, but there are people out there who are intelligent but not intellectual. For example, I know a fellow who’s a lawyer (Boalt Hall) . He’s quite intelligent and earns a good living, but he only reads for job-related reasons.The last book that he read for pleasure was The Pope of Greenwich Village, and that was 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  179. @Spangel

    Try Oklahoma. If it has the lowest incarceration “gap”, perhaps it also has the lowest school discipline “gap”.

    See La Griffe du Lion on the incarceration gap.

  180. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Most of the men in my family, at least on my father’s side were that way. They were great at ad hoc problem solving but disinclined to study theory and wouldn’t be found reading a book if they did not positively have to.

  181. @jsm

    In first grade, I attended the former Negro elementary school. The two kids who each got the ruler more than the rest of the 20%-black class combined were a hardheaded white boy with a 150+ IQ and a big black boy. The one kid who got expelled for starting a fire on the playground was black but the sample was small.

    When I got to second grade and encountered a sample five times as big, I quickly generalized, “They’re stupid and mean.” Of course, I recognized significant variation on the second trait but little on the first.

  182. @Clive Beaconsfield

    Does this mean you are also Anonymousse?

  183. @JMcG

    This is like those people who memorize lists of two-letters words in case they come up in Scrabble.

    • Replies: @res
  184. @Ed

    Mahomes: Mixed race, dad a pro baseball player. A-Rod is his godfather or very close to him.

    Dad and A-Rod were teammates on the 2001 Rangers, but Patrick was already 5 at this point. His godfather is LaTroy Hawkins.

  185. @Faraday's Bobcat

    That said, if we spent half as much energy on science as we do on sports, we’d cure cancer in five years.

    This is in no way true.

  186. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    That said, if we spent half as much energy on science as we do on sports, we’d cure cancer in five years.

    This is in no way true.

    We’d make major inroads on it, though since cancer is really many different similar diseases and manifests differently in every patient, it probably never will be completely cured.

  187. @William Badwhite

    Well said! Life can’t be lived in balanced way, if you have to keep up with these spelling nuts and tiger Moms (the ones that go that far, I mean), not to show them up, but to get into a good college.

    It’s funny you mentioned the π thing. There are contests in some software companies I know to memorize the largest number of digits. They are held, on, guess first….

    (The people involved just do it for fun and may spend 15 minutes a day on it for a little while before the contest, so it’s nothing like that spelling bee ridiculousness.)

    [MORE]

    March 14 … Duh!

  188. Eagle Eye says:
    @bomag

    This sounds like they were making money on the side with a shady business.

    Between the lines, he was passing intel.

    Sure looks like it. Prosecutors using some chickenshit export rule violation to avoid disclosing major security scandal in the Navy.

    Fan Yang currently holds a top-secret US security clearance and is actively serving in the Navy in a sensitive anti-submarine warfare unit.

    Why is ANY immigrant born in the most likely prospective enemy country given a top-secret security clearance to serve in a “sensitive anti-submarine warfare unit.”? How many U.S.-born white immigrants to China serve in China’s “sensitive” anti-submarine units?

    Fan Yang is also charged with illegal possession of a firearm by an alien admitted under a non-immigrant visa.

    The court documents say the couple worked together to assist a Chinese national in illegally possessing firearms between March 2017 and Sept. 2019.

    So there was a non-citizen without a green card involved. (Green card holders are allowed to own guns.) Who is the alien?

    His wife is accused of submitting false and misleading export information and fraudulently trying to export illegal merchandise from the US to China.

    Sensitive electronics? Perhaps related to submarine surveillance? Sadly, there are fewer and fewer items that a Chinese spy would want to ship back to the Land of the Ancestors.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Moses
  189. @William Badwhite

    I can see what you’re both saying. Yes, the blacks who “make it” are by and large socially adept: that is, after all, how they got through interviews and are at least minimally presentable. But your average Lakeisha is definitely not adept in a professional setting. My point is neither have the combination of brains and guile to operate on their feet. I’m in litigation and, despite many a court appearance, have yet to have much contact in my very diverse major US city with many black OR Asian litigators. I’ve encountered one of each in a career now exceeding a decade, and neither was an important situation: a foreclosure settlement conference almost 9 years ago with a young Asian associate when I was a junior, and a first year black female associate this year covering an initial discovery conference who merely agreed to proposed dates for depositions. Now that I think of it, I have never seen a black or Asian lawyer argue a motion or try a case in dozens of such circumstances over that time (although I’ve certainly done so in front of Asian and black judges). Not against me, and not while waiting for my case to be heard. In fact, every black or Asian lawyer I know does transactional work only. And the Asian partner I know works in Asian markets!

  190. Forbes says:
    @Spangel

    In many school districts (NY, NJ) there no longer are actual suspensions. There is in-school suspension as no one is sent home–but I don’t believe they are recorded as a “suspension.” More like in-school discipline–as after school detention used to be. Disciplined students are placed in separate classrooms, given their assignments, and expected to complete their schoolwork, with school personnel assigned to monitor the students and assist with their assignments as necessary.

    This keeps disruptive students out of the regular classroom (temporarily), keeps them engaged in their schoolwork, and produces no “suspension” record that can be examined for racial/ethnic disparate impact.

  191. Forbes says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    It’s Canada–a country I’d prefer was more like Switzerland, where no foreigner can name its president/prime minister. We only need to worry if Democrats stopped threatening to move there due to the election of a Republican.

  192. joe862 says:
    @Steve Richter

    I always figured the reason QBs were mostly white was because they had fathers who put them in every available football activity from a young age. Are there any black quarterbacks who grew up with single mothers?

    • Replies: @Triumph104
  193. sayless says:
    @Nico

    What is a “Brony”?

  194. @Anonymous

    Thanks for the link. I read the whole story. It’s tragic, but remarkably illustrative of something I go on and on about in my comments here, i.e. Substitute Savior Syndrome.

    Charles Moore, the subject of the story, was raised a devout Methodist, but was obsessed throughout his life by one question: how could he, Charles Moore, change the world?

    He was easily seduced by social gospel theology in seminary, then spent his whole life trying to ‘save’ people, instead of proclaiming the gospel to which he was called, and leaving the saving to God’s grace. Along the way, he destroyed his marriages and family relationships, and flitted from one fashionable leftist cause to the next — from civil rights, to world poverty, to gay rights, and on and on. He immantized the eschaton blatantly:

    “Heaven is authentic earthly participation,” he would say. “This world is it.”

    His own son’s assessment:

    He needed to be around people who were suffering to have a purpose in life. He needed to have that mission.

    His messianic delusions culminated in his decision to self-immolate, in the manner (so he believed) of Tyndale, and the Vietnamese monks in the 1960s. His reasoning:

    “It isn’t important that I be remembered,” he wrote, “but that someone cared enough to give up everything for the sake of others.”

    I guess by this point he — an ordained Christian pastor — was incapable of seeing the grotesque irony in his own words.

    The article’s author has a better grasp of the essence of the gospel than Charles Moore ever seems to have had:

    Unfortunately, no matter what Charles did in his life—no matter how many fasts he undertook, hungry people he fed, communities he built, parishioners he inspired, dying he comforted—he would never have thought it was enough. For all the times he preached about God’s gift of grace and all the times he extended it to others, Charles, it seems, felt little of that grace himself.

    The moral of Charles Moore’s story is clear: we can serve, but we cannot save.

    We cannot earn our own salvation. We cannot ‘change the world’ by our efforts. Most of all, we cannot ‘save’ others by our wisdom, our striving, or our sacrifice. Only God’s grace, in the gift of Jesus and his sacrifice, has saving power.

  195. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, that article didn’t make me very happy, but I read it as I was on my way out the door, so thanks for stepping in and clarifying.

    I figured the article writer might have heard of Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS, and then assumed all midwesterners just followed the same practice, being half-witted shitkicking flyover dullards and all.

    The three Sioux Cities are indeed Not Quite The Same. North Sioux City’s rather vainglorious town motto is actually correct, though; it’s much nicer than the other two entries in the Sioux City sweepstakes, plus you get the low SoDak taxes and lax regulatory regime.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  196. @William Badwhite

    A former colleague and friend, who is Indian, pointed out that the Spelling Bee has become an obsession for a small subset of regional castes among Indian immigrant parents to America, who live mostly away from big cities like New York or Los Angeles.

  197. @AnotherDad

    Love kids being interested in academic stuff … but there are few academic things as worthless as spelling competitions.

    I couldn’t agree more. Geography would be a great option for the types of kids who are into obsessive memorization. That kind of knowledge is actually useful as an adult.

  198. @Red Pill Angel

    Conciousness and conscientiousness are bugs, not features in the modern world for sensitive youth.

  199. @nymom

    Lol.

    Look at which “areas” voted for Mr. Trudeau and you will quickly see a pattern… the “diverse” areas seem to lean heavily Liberal…

    3rd worlders DO NOT CARE about Canada… Mr. T is their man, he will let in their cousins, parents, grandparents, and friends to suckle off of our welfare.

    Are Canadians stupid?

    Or are Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Lebanese, Iranians, Arabs, Africans, etc … “stupid” (or maybe smart).

    Whatever. Scheer was a massive cuck who wants even higher levels of immigration.

    Bernier, People’s Party 2019.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  200. Moses says:
    @Marquandian Hero

    They usually lack intellectual creativity

    ^This is it right here.

    As a long time expat (yes, European) in Asia can confirm.

    Asians are high on processing power, low on creativity and intellectual curiosity. I’m talking population means so hold your exceptions.

    For example, while ancient Chinese astronomers tracked and calculated the night skies with great precision and accuracy, they never bothered to ask “why?” or advance theories to explain what was happening in the night sky. Curiosity like that tends to skew European for some reason.

    There is little or nothing in Chinese/Asian history analogous to the Danish astronomer Ole Rømer who used his observations of the moons of Jupiter over 8 years to calculate the speed of light in 1676 just for sh*ts and giggles. If things (like observing Jupiter and calculating the speed of light) don’t have practical value, Chinese/Asians tend not to do them.

    I don’t know why this is, but it is. It’s consistent with my observations of Asians whilst living among them for a long time. Bright people. Not so curious or creative.

  201. @joe862

    Vince Young

    Vincent Young Junior was born on May 18, 1983, in Houston, Texas. His mother, Felicia, was a home health aide. His father, Vincent Sr., could not find steady employment and became a petty burglar. For most of Vince’s childhood, his father was in and out of jail and out of the picture. Felicia and her mother, Bonnie, raised Vince and his two older sisters, Lakesha and Vintrisa. They lived Houston’s Hiram Clarke neighborhood, which is part of the historically African-American Fourth Ward.

    … Felicia was a young mother who worked hard, but she turned to alcohol and marijuana to forget her struggles. She liked to party and made no secret of this fact. With no father figure in Vince’s life, and a mom who didn’t set a particularly strong example, the line between right and wrong started to blur for him in early adolescence.

    When Vince was in eighth grade, he started to hang out with gang members. Near the age where it wasn’t always safe to walk alone, he was looking for a little protection. After a fight among junior gang members at Dowling Middle School, Vince was hauled into the police station. That was a big wake-up call for Felicia. She blew her top, telling her son that if he followed this path, he would end up in jail or dead. Vince’s mom realized it was time to clean up her own act, and she became very involved in the church.

    Vince was soon introduced to much-needed structure and spirituality. He also met Samuel Smith, the leader of the Mount Horeb Baptist Church, who became an important mentor and role model. Vince’s support network grew from there.

    His father’s brother, Uncle Keith, got more involved in his life and began to talk to him about making the most of his athletic ability. Vince knew a lot of older boys who had squandered world-class talent on the streets of the Fourth Ward. The relationship with Keith also brought him closer to Betty Young, his paternal grandmother.

    https://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Vince/Vince_bio.html

    Uncle Keith became Young’s business manager and played a role in Young going bankrupt. A few people who have claimed to have met Young have described him as “special needs”. During his playing days, he had four children with four women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  202. Anon[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Public Service Notice:

    This discussion is starting to veer into the “Multiple Intelligences” area, whether of the Gardiner or the Taleb variety. Remember: This is a neuromyth. It’s up there with EQ, the Myers-Brigg types, learning styles, Grit, and other psychobabble BS.

    Yes, you can be smart and not be interested in reading. It doesn’t mean your smartness is any different. There is one way to be intelligent.

  203. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Sensitive electronics? Perhaps related to submarine surveillance? Sadly, there are fewer and fewer items that a Chinese spy would want to ship back to the Land of the Ancestors.

    Submarine stuff is always in demand. Just try to find schematics or tech pubs on ANY sonar or torpedo stuff in service after WWII. The Russians and Chinese and Israelis have anything over a few years old as the number of people who handle it filters down, but they don’t want third and fourth world countries and nonstate actors with this stuff, I guess.

    I have never been even able to find “Torpedoman’s Mate 3 and 2” rate manuals despite being told these are not restricted, classified, secret or top secret. Cryptologic Technician rate manuals are very common, on the other hand.

    A lot of sonar tech is of interest to audiophiles for obvious technical reasons, and even things that are obviously not classified just “are not there”. The submarine community is instinctively and compulsively secretive.

    I found a manual on winding wideband output transformers for sonar use in a library database once and was able to get a copy through interlibrary loan. The problem was that this one was for large oil filled high power-1 kW to 1 MW units! The companion volume was for ones in the more usual power range for hi-fi, and probably woul dhave been hugely useful, but when I made some inquiries to likely sources they acted as if I were a Soviet spy. This was a 1961 document!

    Occasional stuff of some interest gets in the literature. See:

    https://www.pearl-hifi.com/06_Lit_Archive/02_PEARL_Arch/Vol_06/Sec_26/US_Navy_Lab_Tests_of_Pwr_Amps.pdf

  204. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I figured the article writer might have heard of Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS

    Heard of them, hell, I worked in a building where the state line literally ran down the center of a hallway! A small part of the building was in KCK, most in KCMO. Had to do with tax reasons and the fact that Kansas was a scab state and Missouri not, lest the IBEW or CWA get the idiotic notion to try organizing the place. (In reality, the unions were smart enough to not want them.)

  205. Moses says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Why is ANY immigrant born in the most likely prospective enemy country given a top-secret security clearance to serve in a “sensitive anti-submarine warfare unit.”? How many U.S.-born white immigrants to China serve in China’s “sensitive” anti-submarine units?

    Because we have to pretend that Chinese immigrants are more loyal to the majority (for now) White “USA Idea” than to their blood and soil Chinese roots.

    Same for Jews. It’s insanity to appoint a Jewish US ambassador to Israel or a Chinese US ambassador to China. Conflict of interest at best, traitorous acts and security compromise at worst. State Department policy used to prohibit appointments of individuals who had ties to the other country. That went bye-bye for all the woke reasons.

    What cannot go on, will not go on.

    [PS – The Chinese HATED Chinese US ambassador to China Gary Locke. They considered him a race traitor. Obama was an idiot to appoint him, thinking the Chinese would be more pliable with him. It was the opposite.]

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    This was not the Young in football who wore magic undies and was related to ole Frigham, I take it.
    (Asking for a friend….)

    • Troll: Triumph104
  207. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I figured the article writer might have heard of Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS, and then assumed all midwesterners just followed the same practice, being half-witted shitkicking flyover dullards and all.

    Besides the KCs, there are the Texarkanas, the Bristols (Va. and Tenn.), the Union Citys (Ohio and Indiana), the Sault Ste. Maries, the Niagara Falls, and the Lloydminsters.

    The last is arguable. When the Saskatchewan-Alberta border was established in 1905, it split the city in two, literally. There was one distinct, or discrete, city in either province. It took the locals either 25 or 53 years (depending on the definition) to reunite the two. It’s a unique situation in either country.

    At the opposite extreme, there is Carter Lake, Iowa, an oxbow town now on the Nebraska side of the Missouri River. They were originally assigned a Nebraska Zip code, but they rebelled, and the Post Office relented.

    In Europe, there are the twin cities of Český Těšín and Cieszyn, which are both Teschen in German. And the bizarrely-bordered Baarles of Belgium and the Netherlands, but those are distinguished by double-barreled names.

  208. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Bernier got zero ridings and even lost his own. He has zero momentum. Failed completely. It’s not happening. In 50 years Canada will be completely balkanized by ethnicity and will resemble a more sophisticated Brazil.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  209. @syonredux

    Dr. Who also sucks. Most TV sci fi is God awful and unbearably cheesy. The only good sci-fi either is on the page or has a real director behind it.

  210. @Reg Cæsar

    พร Appears in many Thai names and means something like blessing or blessed.

    There is no standard romanization scheme for Thai so porn should be pronounced in a London accent, not an American accent. In other words, it really sounds something like pawn, not porn.

  211. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    In 50 years Canada will be completely balkanized by ethnicity and will resemble a more sophisticated Brazil.

    Perhaps a less sophisticated one. But yes, agreed in general.

    I didn’t expect Mr. Bernier to win anything. At least I can say I didn’t support the Cuckservatives (for whatever that’s worth).

  212. @Ron Mexico

    My kids would say of you that you are a Reta (“ree-tuh”) or you are small brained. That is what the kids say these days.

    Perhaps they would. They’d be incorrect, though.

  213. @Steve Sailer

    I grew up in a North Dallas suburb just south of Frisco in the 80’s and 90’s. Frisco expanded beyond a tiny tumbleweed town only in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. The “stock” there is pretty much the same as North Dallas stock. Meaning, it’s more intellectual than it gets credit for. Yes, there are jocks, but they are smart jocks, and North Dallas is not as insane about football (although surely it is partly insane) as West Texas or the more distant exurbs like Flower Mound.

    My north Dallas-area public high school was the best in the State in the 90’s (not Highland Park, just FYI) in terms of Academic Decathlon recipients and acceptance into Ivies and near-Ivies. That school is worse now due to busing, but also because most of the parents left and they (or their kids) have now settled in Plano or Frisco!

    The earlier comment about Frisco being the “1/10” of North Dallas that cares about education is really not accurate. Richardson, north Dallas, Plano, McKinney, Frisco, all generally row in that direction and have similar levels of talent. And don’t forget newer communities like Southlake. They are football obsessed but place extremely well in the Ivies and near-Ivies.

  214. @Jack D

    “IQ 70 blacks can appear to be (in fact are) just normal blacks”

    I believe that this fact alone explains the racial naivety of a substantial number of Goodwhites who haven’t been exposed to the reality of living with or near blacks. Millions of well socialized blacks stay out of jail and generally go about their business, and it’s not obvious to the casual observer who has no interactions with them that they have the emotional and intellectual maturity of the average white ten year old.

  215. @Steve Richter

    Which black coaches are doing well?

    Anthony Lynn of the Chargers is currently 2-5. Mike Tomlin of the Steelers is 2-4. Brian Flores of the Dolphins (I think he’s black anyway) is 0-6 though to be fair they’ve dismantled his team and gotten rid of pretty much anyone that can play.

    In college football having a black head coach also seems to be a path to misery. Ask Florida State.

  216. res says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    That is an interesting observation that sort of rings true.

    Yes. iSteve has been talking about this since 2002 (or earlier?).

    He used to link to this article, which is now dead (and I am not finding the equivalent elsewhere?): http://www.isteve.com/2002_IQ_Supreme_Court_Death_Penalty.htm
    for example, see the link in http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-70-iq-looks-like/

    This was the most relevant link I saw on the Unz Review. It contains an interview with Arthur Jensen on the topic.
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/here-s-my-upi-article-on-that-supreme-court

    Here is James Thompson on the topic: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-does-iq-70-mean-for-black-and/

    Extended discussion from pp.367-369 of Jensen’s The g Factor after the MORE.

    [MORE]

    Two Types of Mental Retardation Mistaken as Test Bias. This is a matter I have not seen mentioned in the literature on test bias. It was brought to my attention in discussions with schoolteachers who have taught classes for the mentally retarded.

    Mental retardation is generally defined as an IQ of -2σ or more below the population mean, or IQ below seventy. (Placement in a special class in school depends also on other characteristics in addition to low IQ, such as exceptionally poor progress in regular classes and persistent failing grades in the basic subjects.) What originally drew me into research on test bias was that teachers of retarded classes claimed that far more of their black pupils seem to look and act less retarded than the white pupils with comparable IQ. This was especially apparent in social interactions and playground activities observed by teachers during recess and recreation periods.

    Their observations were indeed accurate, as I later confirmed by my own observation and testing of pupils in special classes. In social and outdoor play activities, however, black children with IQ below seventy seldom appeared as other than quite normal youngsters— energetic, sociable, active, motorically well coordinated, and generally indistinguishable from their age-mates in regular classes. But this was not so for as many of the white children with IQ below seventy. More of them were somehow “ different” from their white age-mates in the regular classes. They appeared less competent in social interactions with their classmates and were motorically clumsy or awkward, or walked with a flatfooted gait. The retarded white children more often looked and acted generally retarded in their development than the black children of comparable IQ. From such observations, one gets the impression that the IQ tests are somehow biased against the black pupils and underestimate their true ability.

    In most of the cognitive tasks of the classroom that call for conceptual learning and problem solving, however, black and white retarded children of the same IQ do not differ measurably either in classroom performance or on objective achievement tests. Trying out a variety of tests in these classes, I found one exception— tasks that depend only on rote learning and memorization through repetition. On these tasks, retarded black pupils, on average, performed significantly better than white pupils of the same IQ.20

    The explanation for these differences cannot be that the IQ test is biased in its predictive validity for the children’s general scholastic learning, because predictive validity scarcely differs between black and white groups. Nor is the test biased according to any of the other standard criteria of bias (reviewed above). Rather, the explanation lies in the fact that IQ per se does not identify the cause
    of the child’s retardation (nor is it intended to do so). There are two distinguishable types of mental retardation, usually referred to as endogenous and exogenous or, more commonly, as familial and organic. The lower tail (IQ < 70)) of the normal distribution of IQ in the population comprises both of these types of retardation.

    In familial retardation there are no detectable causes of retardation other than the normal polygenic and microenvironmental sources of IQ variation that account for IQ differences throughout the entire range of IQ. Although persons with familial retardation are, on average, lower in IQ than their parents and siblings, they are no lower than would be expected for a trait with normal polygenic inheritance. For example, they score (on average) no lower in IQ compared with their first-order relatives than gifted children (above + 2σ) score higher than their first-order relatives. Parent-child and sibling correlations for IQ are the same (about +.50) in the families of familial retardates as in the general population. In other words, the familial retarded are biologically normal individuals who deviate statistically from the population mean because of the same factors that cause IQ variation among all other biologically normal individuals in the population. Traits that are not associated with IQ in the general population do not distinguish the familial retarded from the rest of the biologically normal population. An analogy with stature, also a normally distributed polygenic trait, would be a physically strong, well-proportioned, well-nourished, healthy person of very short height. Such a person is neither a dwarf nor a midget, nor stunted by malnutrition or illness. (In the population distribution of adult male height, -2σ is about 5 ft., 2 in.).

    Organic retardation, on the other hand, comprises over 350 identified etiologies, including specific chromosomal and genetic anomalies and environmental prenatal, perinatal, and postnatal brain damage due to disease or trauma that affects brain development. Nearly all of these conditions, when severe enough to cause mental retardation, also have other, more general, neurological and physical manifestations of varying degree. These are in fact among the behavioral and physical signs used for the differential diagnosis of familial and organic retardation. The IQ of organically retarded children is scarcely correlated with the IQ of their first-order relatives, and they typically stand out as deviant in other ways as well. In the white population, for example, the full siblings of familial retarded persons have an average IQ of about ninety, whereas the average IQ of the siblings of organic retardates is close to the general population mean of 100.

    Statistical studies of mental retardation based on the white population find that among all persons with IQ below seventy, between one-quarter and one-half are diagnosed as organic, and between one-half and three-quarters are diagnosed as familial. As some 2 to 3 percent of the white population falls below IQ seventy, the population percentage of organic retardates is at most one-half of 3 percent, or 1.5 percent of the population. Studies of the percentage of organic types of retardation in the black population are less conclusive, but they suggest that the percentage of organic retardation is at most only slightly higher than in the white population, probably about 2 percent.21 However, based on the normal-curve statistics of the distribution of IQ in the black population, about 16 percent fall below IQ seventy. Assuming that organic retardation has a 2
    percent incidence in the entire black population, then in classes for the retarded (i.e., IQ < 70) about 2%/16% = 12.5 percent of blacks would be organic as compared to about 1.5%/3% = 50 percent of whites— a white/black ratio of four to one. Hence teachers of retarded classes are more apt to perceive their white children as more generally handicapped by low IQ than are the black children.

  217. res says:
    @Art Deco

    Evidence? What would you say is the distribution if “almost always” is incorrect?

    For a much more substantive response see the Jensen excerpt in my comment just above.

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  218. res says:
    @ScarletNumber

    This is like those people who memorize lists of two-letters words in case they come up in Scrabble.

    That can at least (kind of) be justified because there aren’t that many (107):
    https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Scrabble/Two_Letter_Words
    and knowing them allows one to make more effective use of the rest of one’s vocabulary. Plus, they come up frequently. It’s not like memorizing the spelling of thousands of obscure words for the chance you might encounter one of them in a spelling bee.

    P.S. That said, I was never motivated enough at Scrabble to actually memorize all of them.

  219. Art Deco says:
    @res

    Jensen says, “But this was not so for as many of the white children ” and Jack D says ‘White kids who have IQ 70 are almost always FLKs ‘. I have no clue why you fancy these statements are equivalent.

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  220. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    I’ve heard similar things about the practice of appointing African-Americans to ambassadorial positions in Africa. The local elites regard them with contempt for being the descendants of slaves.

  221. res says:
    @Art Deco

    Fair enough. I mostly reacted because you did not provide any evidence (which I am sensitive to at this point because you so seldom do). The most relevant part of the Jensen excerpt is:

    in classes for the retarded (i.e., IQ < 70) about 2%/16% = 12.5 percent of blacks would be organic as compared to about 1.5%/3% = 50 percent of whites— a white/black ratio of four to one.

    So white kids under IQ 70 are about 50% organic (aka FLK) and Jack D’s “almost always” was an overstatement. Compared to 12.5% of black kids under IQ 70 being organic/FLK.

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  222. Art Deco says:
    @res

    (which I am sensitive to at this point because you so seldom do)

    Quote date from public sources as a matter of routine. (For which ‘Mr. Anon’ tells me I’m a ‘pedant’).

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  223. res says:
    @Art Deco

    Quote date from public sources as a matter of routine. (For which ‘Mr. Anon’ tells me I’m a ‘pedant’).

    You quote public data a fair bit (though this conversation is a notable counterexample, and there have been plenty of others in your conversations which I can go find if you insist), but you seldom give references which can be checked (at least without an inordinate amount of work, including interpreting your vague references, if any are even given).

    Reviewing the first page of your current comments I see much pontificating and few explicit references. This comment provides a great example of the way you present unsourced data in one of the relatively few comments (in that first page) where you gave any evidence at all:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/paul-toughs-the-years-that-matter-most-how-college-makes-or-breaks-us/#comment-3506546

    You tend to present data reliably (if sometimes selectively), but would it really kill you to include links to your sources?

    And to make things clear, let’s include the complete text of your comment 160 which started this:

    @Jack D
    White kids who have IQ 70 are almost always FLKs (funny looking kids).

    Not true.

    Can’t you see how much better that would have been with supporting evidence? Or do you enjoy “Is to. Is not.” type “conversations”?

    P.S. I think Mr. Anon’s assessment of you as a pedant is less about presentation of evidence and more about your focus on details and his sense that you often miss the bigger picture. Plus, he just does not like you (you reacting to the term as you do probably guarantees he will keep using that as one of his insults of choice for you). The definition of pedant matches this assessment IMHO: “a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.”

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  224. Lagertha says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Nice! Look on Youtube for their other pieces – if you scroll down on the comments on the piece I posted, some of the comments are very intense: people who were considering suicide and all. I like metal mixed with classical instruments and melodies.

  225. Lagertha says:
    @Anon7

    Oh yeah. HS just kills the brains of very intelligent boys. The whole “diversity, inclusion, and promotion of girls in STEM, blah, blah, blah” burns up the souls of boys.

    Sooo, glad my kids are in their 20’s and HS is in the past. In fact, we are moving because we are rootless, and I don’t want to stay on the East Coast with some bad memories. I have always lived in different parts of the world or the country, during chapters of my life. I can’t wait to start all over in a new area, far away from where my kids grew up.

    I did a lot of bargaining – however, my kids usually stuck to B’s. My youngest got A’s because he is the most obsessive like me! I think the worst thing for them was being so over-extended with sports/academics/clubs etc. because of the lack of sleep. Because of the OCD & HD, they had trouble shutting their brains down at night.

    They all survived, became normal, well-adjusted, happy, successful adults. I am about to go visit with them – they are far. Empty nesting is a thing, which surprised me.

    Make sure your son sleeps – sleep is so important. Most of the time, when they are hostile and snarky, is bc they are chronically tired. And, if he is that smart, go to a fun State U in a great location – he will get a full scholarship regardless of your income. The girls are prettier, too. I have a list of the happiest schools I can send you.

  226. Art Deco says:
    @res

    Jack D made an absurd categorical statement. It doesn’t take extensive citations to realize that. In any case, someone cites Arthur Jensen as support for his contention, but Jensen didn’t say that at all.

    No clue why I have rent-free space in your head or anyone else’s.

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  227. res says:
    @Art Deco

    Jack D made an absurd categorical statement. It doesn’t take extensive citations to realize that.

    Perhaps, but it does take citations to turn it into something other than “Is to. Is not.” And the interesting question was “OK, it is not almost all. So how many are?” Because the overarching point (you missing overarching points while pursuing minutiae is the reason I call you a pedant) is how are blacks and whites different in the proportion of kids under IQ 70 who are FLK?

    In any case, someone cites Arthur Jensen as support for his contention, but Jensen didn’t say that at all.

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. A request for evidence (I was genuinely curious) is not the same as support. Here is my comment:

    Evidence? What would you say is the distribution if “almost always” is incorrect?

    For a much more substantive response see the Jensen excerpt in my comment just above.

    I might add I also provided an explicit reference (book and page numbers) for my reference along with an extended excerpt to allow others to judge for themselves.

    As for your finale.

    No clue why I have rent-free space in your head or anyone else’s.

    It’s pretty funny you say that given how Mr. Anon is in your head based on your referring to him above when he is not even part of the conversation. Projection?

    The reason I make cranky comments to you is I find your comments frustrating in that you generally have a solid point, but make it in an obnoxious and pedantic way while failing to provide evidence I can use to double check for myself or learn more. (cf. my Jensen reference)

    The reason I cite your older comments (which I think is what makes you think you are in my head) is I believe in providing evidence for MY assertions. It’s not that hard to do a quick search for examples to validate my statements. Your ~1,500 comments a year provide a target rich environment.

  228. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer

    middle-of-the-road students are not celebrated…in any country. – it is what it is.

  229. Lagertha says:
    @Jack D

    middle-of-the-road students are not celebrated…in any country. – it is what it is. And, Jack-ass, you are the most pedogadically stupid person here. Keep lying.

  230. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    I HATE Y’ALL! HAHHAHHAHAHAAAAA. Especially, if you are democrats – I hate your kids, too. Hate is now, good. You people, are the bane of free people.

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