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From the New York Times:

Steve Scalise Among 4 Shot at Baseball Field; Suspect Is Dead
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR, ADAM GOLDMAN and EMILY COCHRANE JUNE 14, 2017

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — A lone gunman who was reportedly distraught over President Trump’s election [i.e., the shooter was anti-Trump] opened fire on Republican members of the congressional baseball team at a practice field in this Washington suburb on Wednesday, using a rifle to shower the field with bullets that struck four people, including Steve Scalise, the majority whip of the House of Representatives. …

Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who was among the lawmakers practicing for the annual charity baseball game, which is still scheduled to take place on Thursday, told CNN that “the field was basically a killing field — it’s really sick and very sad.”

Representative Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, who left the practice just before shooting, said later that he had encountered a man in the parking lot — later identified as the gunman — who “asked me if the team practicing was a Democrat or a Republican team.”

“I told him they were Republicans,” the lawmaker recalled. “He said, ‘O.K., thanks,’ turned around.” …

Mr. Hodgkinson seemed to be a fervent opponent of Mr. Trump. He signed an online petition calling for the president to be impeached, posting it on Facebook with a chilling comment: “It’s time to destroy Trump & co.”

His brother, Michael Hodgkinson, said Mr. Hodgkinson traveled in recent weeks to Washington to protest. “I know he wasn’t happy with the way things were going, the election results and stuff,” Mr. Hodgkinson said in an interview shortly after he received the news on Wednesday.

This ought to be reminiscent of the assassination of Dutch immigration restrictionist leader Pim Fortuyn by a pro-immigration white leftist in 2002, the day after the end of the Two-Weeks Hate against French presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen, a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability implying that the dead candidate had it coming.

 
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  1. Thomas says:

    This ought to be reminiscent of the assassination of Dutch immigration restrictionist leader Pim Fortuyn by a pro-immigration white leftist in 2002, the day after the end of the Two-Weeks Hate against French presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen, a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability implying that the dead candidate had it coming.

    There’s already been many reminders of Scalise supposedly speaking at some David Duke-organized event. https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/875063680844656640

    Honestly though, it seems mostly as though “the Resistance” isn’t going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric.

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    • Replies: @James Kabala
    I think we would more likely to see evil reactions if someone had shot Trump himself or a member of his inner circle. In this case, fortunately, it seems not even Twitterites can work up bloodlust over someone they probably never heard of before.
    , @Auntie Analogue

    "Honestly though, it seems mostly as though 'the Resistance' isn’t going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric."
     
    My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald's murder of Kennedy on the "climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas." The Left's projection tactic is not new, it's been operating since the Jacobins.

    Forget the loon who shot Giffords. Forget Tim McVeigh. Forget every one of the right-wingers who did violence. Because there is no organized right wing violence - it's all done by lone wolves; while the Left's violence - and the Left's endless propaganda inciting and praising Leftist violence - is extremely and efficiently well-organized. Further, the Left's organizing is backed and often funded by a lot of other Left and liberal organizations - there's no such backing or funding for right wing organizing. Atop all that, the Left's violence is either covered up, smoothed over, tacitly approved, or praised as being "courageous" by Enemedia-Pravda.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I like Steve live in California. We are not allowed by the ruling Democrats to have concealed carry firearms. But a concealed carry pistol is nothing but a small handgun.

    Yesterday my reaction to the shooting of the Republican legislators was to start shopping for a concealable little pistol. Yesterday the news organizations constantly ran the story that if the Democrat assassin had not been thwarted by the security detail that was attached to Scalise as a congressional officer, then he probably would have killed many, many Republicans.

    That's undoubtedly true, but if it was also true if just a couple of the congressmen or their staff had had a pocket pistol they could have protected themselves.

    You can get a Bersa Thunder for example for about $250. A Glock or Sig is about twice that. These are probably too small to be a home protection pistol but a full size semi-automatic pistol makes a bulge when worn under your baseball uniform.

    There are cheaper pistols than the Thunder but it's reliable and accurate. You don't really need to carry anything bigger. The cops will be on their way in most urban settings at the sound of the first shots. All you need is something to keep the bad guy at bay for ten minutes. You don't really even need to be able to hit the bad guy.

    One of the congressmen said on TV yesterday that they were being 'herded' into the dugout. If the gunman wasn't held back he might have had a dozen Republicans cowering with nothing but baseball bats waiting to be executed. But if one had had the foresight to carry any kind of little gun the legislators would have been able to keep the assassin away until the cops arrived. It would be exciting but not very dangerous.

    I imagine that there are some other Republicans considering these matters this morning.
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  2. PSYCHO BABY BOOMER SHOOTS STEVE SCALISE

    The corporate media has driven a baby boomer supporter of Bernie Sanders to political violence. The corporate media has joined with the DEEP STATE in an attempt to destroy President Trump. The corporate media has blood on its hands. The DEEP STATE has also contributed to the frenzied anti-Trump atmosphere in the United States.

    President Trump must dismantle the corporate media.

    President Trump must dislodge and discard the treasonous DEEP STATE.

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    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Thea
    He must defund universities pushing the leftist lies as well.
    , @RonaldB
    "President Trump must dismantle the corporate media."

    It's dangerous to dismantle media based on the content. You might do it now, but once you set the precedent, the left is SO much more effective and determined in shutting down publications.

    Of course, most of the MSM is much more entertainment than real news, and leftist propaganda to boot. But the correct response is more freedom, not less. In the US, the internet provides real journalism and real analysis, available to anyone who wishes to read it. Any moves to censor based on content would be FAR more likely to shut off the flow of real information, rather than to improve the quality of broadcast news.

    There are steps to lessen the impact of political street thugs and lone wolves. Allow every citizen without a criminal conviction to carry a weapon. Once a nut begins shooting, he can be certain of a lethal response. He may be able to get one or two, but you won't have the situation of a crowd of sitting ducks under fire.

    Another action to lessen random street violence is to make it a felony, and enforce it, to wear an identity-concealing mask on a public street, unless you're under 15 and it's Halloween season. Reading an account of the Berkeley clashes, event the MSM noted that the opposing sides were raucous but peaceful until antifa showed up. Antifa, of course, uses masks to conceal their felonies. It would do much to dampen violence if masked street thugs were immediately arrested and charged with a felony. And they could sprout as much Trump hatred as they wanted.
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  3. anonn says:

    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn’t have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

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    • Replies: @newrouter
    i want to address your comment but, first what pronoun should i use?
    , @Jack D
    Didn't the Giffords shooter (the closest comparable case) also turn out to be a leftist? (Ditto Oswald?) That's the biggest irony - he was a leftist but it got blamed on the right wing "climate of hate" anyway. Come to think of it, the profile of today's shooter sure seems like a right winger to me - white male gun owner. Are you sure he wasn't really a rightist? C'mon , if you squint hard he's a rightist and you don't have to accept any responsibility for provoking him.
    , @Greasy William

    Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin, etc.
     
    You have a point with Dylan Roof but McVeigh's ideology was more anti government then anti liberal and the guy who shot Giffords was just a nutter.

    And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds. Most of the Left either supports this attack or only opposes it for tactical reasons.

    Which is fine with me. Bring on the second Civil War, I say.
    , @EdwardM
    Seriously, I am disappointed that in a gaggle of Republicans, none was armed. (Parks in VA are designated gun-free zones, but still. . .) I hope they learn not to make that mistake again.
    , @Stealth
    Will you also own Kori Ali Muhammad, Micah Xavier Johnson, and all of the other anti-white killers?
    , @Coemgen
    Are you a troll or, do you really not know that the great majority of murders in the U.S. are committed by denizens of Democrat Party strongholds?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.
     
    You might want to compare violent crime rates in GOP and Democratic districts.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Welcome back, Tiny Duck. We've missed your lampoons of prog-thought.
    , @Lurker

    Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin
     
    Hold up sunshine, that was one of your mob.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.
     
    Thanks for your drug-induced dishonesty. The Left has an uninterrupted history of political violence, from the French Revolution until today. And today, sadly, has once again demonstrated your preferred use of illicit violence, which you use to advance your position.

    Your political philosophy is based on dissembling and intimidation. You portray your opponents as villains, marginalizing them through slander and libel, and you embrace murdering the innocent, and then you congratulate yourself for the effectiveness of your campaign of ruthless viciousness.

    When your time comes, remember that you chose this path. And the reckoning visited upon you won't be accidental. You demanded it.
    , @bomag

    the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right...
     
    I like the immediate bargain, as if such trolls would ever lighten the boot on the face.

    The Right has caved on almost everything, and gotten just more calls for their demise.
    , @Olorin
    Hm...I'll grade you 6/10 on trolling. In the future try going a little lighter on the Bingo words. It'll seem less cartoonish.

    "Weed," by which I presume you mean "marijuana" and not, say, oleander, jimson, or Japanese maple, was introduced into cities of the NE to pacify the Negro population (so I was told by NE Negroes in my home town, mostly AME and NoI).

    Gee, that went well in terms of reducing violence!

    Not sure what you mean by a "machine gun." Probably about what the News Drones mean by that and "Glock."

    http://c1.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/BUYCQ_tCAAA0JYk.jpg-large.jpeg

    The bit about "fetishists" is useful for revealing your psychosexual power object:

    NRA members.

    Hey, I don't mind being on the mental pedestals of the left...just kindly describe my tools accurately, OK? We H. faber types like precision.

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  4. Barnard says:

    Early after the event, CNN was posting a link to their old story about Scalice speaking to David Duke’s group in 2002. The Stupid Party is already working hard at letting the Democrats and the media off the hook for everything they did to radicalize this guy. This was an ordinary person who snapped. At a minimum there should be calls for Bernie’s resignation so he can live up to his own rhetoric blaming Republicans for other acts of violence by right wing nutcases.

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  5. After reading some Facebook posts this morning and then quickly stopping, I’d venture a guess that around 70% of the comments are of the “they asked for it” variety. But of course the left cries out in pain as it strikes you. As for shooting Congressmen, remember a group of Puerto Ricans shot up the House of Representatives in 1954. Another great victory for the left, magnificently airbrushed from school textbooks.

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    • Replies: @Hodag
    The Puerto Ricans who shot up Congress we're Puerto Rican separatists. Our host has repeatedly recommended giving Puerto Rico independence since, really, who needs it?
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  6. WPo is reporting that the special counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. CNN is doing marathon coverage.

    So much bullshit, so little time.

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    • Replies: @Lugash
    Yep. MSNBC as well. And the obstruction of justice coverage can be boiled down to a couple of sentences. The shooting has a couple dozen congressman, video, eyewitnesses and a very, very dramatic story.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    The hearings are much ado about nothing. https://twitter.com/seekingalpha_fs/status/874991105594408960
    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Stan Adams

    This is the amazing thing that stuck me about this event. If a Trump supporter had shot a bunch of Democrats the coverage on the "climate of hate" would have been wall to wall for weeks. In this case the MSM grabbed the first thing they could to move on.
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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Why does Congress have time to play softball but can’t get the wall built?

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    • Replies: @EriK
    It's baseball dummy. That's important.
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  8. Jake says:

    No doubt, this was all caused by Trump and the basket of deplorables. It’s the same as black violent crime: white racism causes it. Conservative whites caused this Leftist to shoot at Republicans. How did conservative whites cause this? Simply by being insufferable, intolerable, white conservatives.

    It is always whitey’s fault; it is always the fault of conservative notions.

    If only this country could exterminate every white person who ever thought about defending the Confederate battle flag or a Confederate monument, and then send to re-education class every white who ever thought Ronald Reagan was not quite the Devil, perhaps it could have justice and equality and tolerance.

    Let the Revolution flow forward!

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  9. Veracitor says:

    Don’t worry about the political implications. By tonight’s evening news everyone will rest informed that the attack was the fault of the Republicans, who created a climate of hate, and marginalized the transgendered and gays and Muslims, and blocked common-sense gun control measures like Diane Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban, and are killing far more people by failing to fully fund Obamacare and by cutting back on education for children in the inner city. Plus they’re just plain mean.

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  10. The inverse of (not the opposite of) is

    ‘…And after all is said and done, Mr. President and Judge Sessions, if you fail to do your constitutional duty, or are prevented from doing it, the gangster-elite will quickly come to understand why the Lord allowed men of ingenuity and skill to create the AR-15….’

    from last paragraph of:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/06/11/comey-shows-americans-law-not-apply-elite/

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  11. Yak-15 says:

    The guy had an Ar-15 and an open sight line to lots of people. When leftists send their assassins, they don’t send their best. . .

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Rand Paul says everybody would be dead if Scalise's Capitol Police security detail hadn't been there with them. Apparently the assailant had to shoot through the chain link fence behind the dugout.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.

    Whoops.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Lee Harvey Oswald must be rolling in his grave at what the marksmanship of his fellow left wing, progressive assassins has come to.
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  12. Lugash says:
    @Stan Adams
    WPo is reporting that the special counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. CNN is doing marathon coverage.

    So much bullshit, so little time.

    Yep. MSNBC as well. And the obstruction of justice coverage can be boiled down to a couple of sentences. The shooting has a couple dozen congressman, video, eyewitnesses and a very, very dramatic story.

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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Sic semper tyrannis.

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    You are beneath contempt.
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  14. newrouter says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    i want to address your comment but, first what pronoun should i use?

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    How about dickhead?
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  15. Veracitor says:

    Probably the attacker was a Republican, really. He was an angry aging white man, no doubt a racist, a nutcase like all of Trump’s supporters. Republican attempts to smear Bernie Sanders by associating this guy with Bernie just show how hypocritical Republicans are. Everybody knows that all the crazies who shoot at politicians are right-wing Republican NRA KKK types like Beltway snipers John Allen Muhammed and Lee Malvo, Jared Loughner, Squeaky Fromme, et alia ad infinitum.

    Or if this guy wasn’t a Republican it will turn out that he had a righteous grievance same as Omar Thornton, and like John Kerry always says, you can understand how he had a rationale for the somewhat-overdone heroism of his actions.

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    • Replies: @The True and Original David
    "Righteous grievance"

    The line seems to be that "people's losing their healthcare" (i.e. the predictable and grotesque failure of the "Affordable" [sic] Care Act) filled his heart with concern and therefore his shooting people is understandable. I'm not being funny. This is what Democrats are saying on Twitter.

    , @Tex
    It wasn't until you got to the John Mohammed part that I realized this was sarcasm. Well done.
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  16. @Thomas

    This ought to be reminiscent of the assassination of Dutch immigration restrictionist leader Pim Fortuyn by a pro-immigration white leftist in 2002, the day after the end of the Two-Weeks Hate against French presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen, a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability implying that the dead candidate had it coming.
     
    There's already been many reminders of Scalise supposedly speaking at some David Duke-organized event. https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/875063680844656640

    Honestly though, it seems mostly as though "the Resistance" isn't going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric.

    I think we would more likely to see evil reactions if someone had shot Trump himself or a member of his inner circle. In this case, fortunately, it seems not even Twitterites can work up bloodlust over someone they probably never heard of before.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I have to admit I'd never heard of Scalise before. I wasn't sure if I should be embarrassed about that.
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  17. “I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.”

    In a word, antifa. Don’t have to wonder what you’re smoking.

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  18. Lugash says:

    using a rifle to shower the field with bullets that struck four people, including Steve Scalise, the majority whip of the House of Representatives. …

    Yep, his real target was the baseball field. It was just a tragic set of coincidences that those 5 people got shot.

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    • Replies: @Cool Shoes
    "He's shooting cans! Stay away from the cans"!
    , @William Badwhite
    Magic dirt on that field
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  19. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    Has Paul Ryan taken the side of the shooter yet or apologized to his family for allowing Republicans to practice on a baseball field once worked by slaves?

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  20. Jack D says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Didn’t the Giffords shooter (the closest comparable case) also turn out to be a leftist? (Ditto Oswald?) That’s the biggest irony – he was a leftist but it got blamed on the right wing “climate of hate” anyway. Come to think of it, the profile of today’s shooter sure seems like a right winger to me – white male gun owner. Are you sure he wasn’t really a rightist? C’mon , if you squint hard he’s a rightist and you don’t have to accept any responsibility for provoking him.

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    • Replies: @e
    Gifford's shooter, Jared Loughner, is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.
    , @Eagle Eye
    The "Gifford shooting" is actually a sophisticated PR operation to detract from what really happened: federal judge John Roll and five others were MURDERED in cold blood. The incident should more appropriately be called the Roll massacre.

    Roll was among other things called upon to decide on "civil forfeitures" by government agencies. A ruling against this unconstitutional and rapacious practice would have been a severe setback for the government class.

    Gifford (if she was actually shot) was only a shiny object to detract from the main event, rather like a magician gesticulating with this left hand while the right hand makes the pigeon appear.
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  21. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stan Adams
    WPo is reporting that the special counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. CNN is doing marathon coverage.

    So much bullshit, so little time.

    The hearings are much ado about nothing. https://twitter.com/seekingalpha_fs/status/874991105594408960

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    They are nothing and will continue to be nothing until one day they might not be. It's like that shooter today - he was a terrible shot and barely managed to wound a few people because HE was a nothing. BUT, if you had left him out there in that field, free to take shots day after day, year after year, eventually he would have killed someone. Trump has to be lucky every day and his opponents only have to be lucky once.
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    @Yak-15
    The guy had an Ar-15 and an open sight line to lots of people. When leftists send their assassins, they don't send their best. . .

    Rand Paul says everybody would be dead if Scalise’s Capitol Police security detail hadn’t been there with them. Apparently the assailant had to shoot through the chain link fence behind the dugout.

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    We got very lucky that he was such a incompetent shot.
    , @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.
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  23. @Yak-15
    The guy had an Ar-15 and an open sight line to lots of people. When leftists send their assassins, they don't send their best. . .

    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.

    Whoops.

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    • Replies: @Dr. X

    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.
     
    I don't know what he had -- one report was that it was an AK, but I don't know if that was accurate. In any case it's plain that the guy (thankfully) couldn't shoot. Not trying to sound morbid or freaky here, but if you've got a bunch of unarmed people on a baseball diamond only a few yards away and you want to kill them all and you fire dozens of shots and don't kill any, you have no tactical skills.

    I wonder if the guy was even using the sights? The Arab jihadis don't. In all of the jihadi combat videos I've ever seen, none of them use the freaking sights, they just hip fire. No wonder they use IEDs, they can't hit anything with a rifle.
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  24. @Lugash
    using a rifle to shower the field with bullets that struck four people, including Steve Scalise, the majority whip of the House of Representatives. …

    Yep, his real target was the baseball field. It was just a tragic set of coincidences that those 5 people got shot.

    “He’s shooting cans! Stay away from the cans”!

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    These cans are defective. LOL!
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  25. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The hearings are much ado about nothing. https://twitter.com/seekingalpha_fs/status/874991105594408960

    They are nothing and will continue to be nothing until one day they might not be. It’s like that shooter today – he was a terrible shot and barely managed to wound a few people because HE was a nothing. BUT, if you had left him out there in that field, free to take shots day after day, year after year, eventually he would have killed someone. Trump has to be lucky every day and his opponents only have to be lucky once.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    This is a good point. I remember joking with a friend over lunch in the mid-1990s about the low-rent Islamic terrorists. The 1993 World Trade Center bombers went back to the truck rental agency to claim their deposit! Har har. What a bunch of amateurs!

    Well, a couple of years later they managed to blow up some US embassies. A couple more years, they damaged a US warship and then couple of more years and they finally took down the twin towers, killing thousands.

    They are incompetent and ridiculous ... until one day they aren't.

    At some point, a resentful leftist will do something violently effective, whether through competence or luck. Then we will wish we had suppressed them harder before it came to so much bloodshed.
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  26. @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin, etc.

    You have a point with Dylan Roof but McVeigh’s ideology was more anti government then anti liberal and the guy who shot Giffords was just a nutter.

    And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds. Most of the Left either supports this attack or only opposes it for tactical reasons.

    Which is fine with me. Bring on the second Civil War, I say.

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    "And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds."


    I have not seen or heard of any support from The Right (I assume from your comment They are a discrete and an identifiable group...who are They?), not 1%, not nothin', for that miserable little bastard Roof.

    He is the best argument for capital punishment I have seen in years.
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  27. Luke Lea says:

    Radicalization by mainstream media is the way Scott Adams describes it (h/t Ann Althouse).

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  28. @James Kabala
    I think we would more likely to see evil reactions if someone had shot Trump himself or a member of his inner circle. In this case, fortunately, it seems not even Twitterites can work up bloodlust over someone they probably never heard of before.

    I have to admit I’d never heard of Scalise before. I wasn’t sure if I should be embarrassed about that.

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  29. @Yak-15
    The guy had an Ar-15 and an open sight line to lots of people. When leftists send their assassins, they don't send their best. . .

    Lee Harvey Oswald must be rolling in his grave at what the marksmanship of his fellow left wing, progressive assassins has come to.

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  30. EdwardM says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Seriously, I am disappointed that in a gaggle of Republicans, none was armed. (Parks in VA are designated gun-free zones, but still. . .) I hope they learn not to make that mistake again.

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  31. @Stan Adams
    WPo is reporting that the special counsel is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. CNN is doing marathon coverage.

    So much bullshit, so little time.

    This is the amazing thing that stuck me about this event. If a Trump supporter had shot a bunch of Democrats the coverage on the “climate of hate” would have been wall to wall for weeks. In this case the MSM grabbed the first thing they could to move on.

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    If a Trump supporter had shot a bunch of Democrats the coverage on the “climate of hate” would have been wall to wall for weeks.
    Exactly.
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  32. Stealth says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Will you also own Kori Ali Muhammad, Micah Xavier Johnson, and all of the other anti-white killers?

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  33. Coemgen says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Are you a troll or, do you really not know that the great majority of murders in the U.S. are committed by denizens of Democrat Party strongholds?

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  34. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    MSNBC’s Christopher Hayes retweeted this:

    It looks like they finally found a White guy from flyover country whose story they want to hear in all its complexity. Nuance and paradox once again exist when studying the motives of stale, pale males. Well, maybe just this once, for this little one Whiteman. Let’s not go nuts though guys.

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  35. UPI! Did you get to meet reverend Moon?

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  36. bossel says:

    a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability

    I wonder what you call voices of respectability…
    But probably just another attempt at spreading silly disinformation, or just an outright lie.

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  37. Thea says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    PSYCHO BABY BOOMER SHOOTS STEVE SCALISE

    The corporate media has driven a baby boomer supporter of Bernie Sanders to political violence. The corporate media has joined with the DEEP STATE in an attempt to destroy President Trump. The corporate media has blood on its hands. The DEEP STATE has also contributed to the frenzied anti-Trump atmosphere in the United States.

    President Trump must dismantle the corporate media.

    President Trump must dislodge and discard the treasonous DEEP STATE.

    He must defund universities pushing the leftist lies as well.

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    For this Crusade, I hereby volunteer.

    Where to begin?
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  38. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    @CharlesPewitt

    President Trump must dislodge and discard the treasonous DEEP STATE.

    Wake up. Trump installed everyone around him.

    Example: Trump hired NSC Advisor McMaster who is a ridiculous democratic deep state douche bag. McMaster is pulling all sorts of tricks at the NSC and Trump loves him.

    Read this and weep:

    https://medium.com/@Cernovich/eric-ciaramella-nsc-mcmaster-personal-aide-obama-susan-rice-leaker-3a1ed3137000

    WAKE UP. TRUMP IS NOT WHO YOU THINK HE IS. He has only appointed 20% of key positions (requiring senate confirmation) Unheard of for this time frame. The unfilled positions are defaulting to Obama holdovers.

    Drudge just tweeted yesterday (sounding the alarm) about Trump’s huge poll negatives now 60%. Trump has sold out the base on many key issues and supporters are drifting away.

    Bonus: Trump is about to demonize conservatives again on the absurd obamacare fake repeal and side big time with the moderates in the senate. Winning!

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  39. Dahlia says:

    Shakespeare in the Ball Park

    Not being flip, but as Luke Lea and Scott Adams put it, the MSM and our gatekeepers of culture radicalized this guy (and the Portland stabber).

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  40. Tiny Duck says:

    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

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    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

     

    Wow. I didn't think you could top the first two for sick, but you sure pulled it off. Congrats!
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Tiny Duck, your lampoons of prog-thought get better and better. Keep up the good work!
    , @White Guy In Japan
    You know, the Morlocks will eat you as well.
    , @fish
    "I am Vinz, Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer...Volguus Zildrohoar, Lord of the Seboullia. are you the Gatekeeper?"

    "You will perish in flame! Soon as I find the Gatekeeper."

    "Gozer the Traveller, he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants they chose a new form for him... that of a Giant Sloar! many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you."


    - Leonard Pitts
    , @William Badwhite
    Leonard Pitts, TeSneezy Jenius, Cornell West...black black blackety black...if you've read one you've read them all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kga2soqvMF0
    , @fish

    "When I was a little boy, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised, the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
     
    - Leonard Pitts
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  41. @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    You might want to compare violent crime rates in GOP and Democratic districts.

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    Like most people in his camp, anonn doesn't want to count blacks. In his mind, a conservative is a fat middle-aged white guy, and a liberal is a white vegan who lives in a college town.

    That's why he can go on thinking his side is less violent, more cosmopolitan, better educated, etc.

    Blacks are the dark matter of the Democratic party: a force felt more than it's seen.

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  42. @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Wow. I didn’t think you could top the first two for sick, but you sure pulled it off. Congrats!

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  43. Separate nations.

    The level of insanity amongst the “cosmopolitans” is too high for saving. I’m not interested in the more or less hopeless task of educating these loons–genetics, culture, history–and talking some sense into them. They are in a death cult.

    Let all these “Open Society” global “cosmopolitans” have their John Lennonesque “imagination”, with their LBGTQWERTY freaks, their BLM, their muzzies, their mexicans all living in perfect diversitopian harmony with their equisitely progressive selves. But then allow us stale pale penis people–and the women who want to join us–have our own historic nations as well, and leave us the hell alone.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Good comment. What divides us is now greater than what unites us. It might still be done peacefully at this point, but what is coming is probably akin to the 1947 India-Pakistan partition, but with several groups and nuclear weapons potentially in play.
    , @Sowhat
    I agree with you; however, at the same time, all of this huddling into two diametrically apposed camps is precisely what The Destroyers desire...divide and weaken and conquer. There is no common ground, no reconsiliatory dialogue. There is only division which may make us an easy mark for some foreign power or powers that will seized this opportunity to attack the failing hegemon of the Great Century. The powers that constitute the New World Order are licking their chops. This all weakens National Security and the Republic or whatever is left of it. I only hear one voice saying Make America Great Again.
    , @Kevin C.

    Separate nations.
     
    Except there aren't much in the way of strong geographical lines between the two sides, except urban vs. rural.

    Secondly, there's also the fact that it's pretty much impossible to accomplish peacefully, as a "national divorce" has been ruled illegal, unconstitutional, and forbidden in perpetuity. As the late Scalia said, the issue "was settled at Appomattox". Or read the Texas v. White decision.

    It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
     

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.
     
    It doesn't matter if >90% of us "Red Staters" vote to leave, and >90% of the Lefties also vote for us to go, the Courts say "no", and any attempt to do so over their objection is the same as the previous attempt at separation: illegitimate, and an insurrection to be supressed by force of arms (again, guaranteeing there will be violence in the separation even if majorities of the population approve). Because once you're in, you're in forever, period.
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  44. Steve Scalise Among 4 Shot at Baseball Field

    We warned you that the designated hitter would lead to such atrocities. But did you listen?

    Also, before Corvinus chips in, could you install a BAIZUO button next to REPLY and TROLL?

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  45. @Anonymous
    Rand Paul says everybody would be dead if Scalise's Capitol Police security detail hadn't been there with them. Apparently the assailant had to shoot through the chain link fence behind the dugout.

    We got very lucky that he was such a incompetent shot.

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    I've got the same gun; it's easy to keep ten rounds inside a 6 inch group at 100 yards. So yeah, he really was a terrible marksman. Tactically, he should of taken out the security detail first, for obvious reasons. Lucky he was just the typical lefty fuck up, that functions at a 25th percentile level.

    On AR15.com, somebody commented on how a lefty will buy a 50 round box of 9mm and a 20 round box of 5.56mm take a picture of them and post it on Fakebook with the caption "this is muh ammo stash"...

    Guys that are reallllly into guns might have 200,000 rounds stashed away...or more. I've seen the photos, must cost $50,000 or more to amass that. That's serious interest.

    Going to be an interesting summer if the media and the rest of the left doesn't cool it...
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  46. Hodag says:
    @Bragadocious
    After reading some Facebook posts this morning and then quickly stopping, I'd venture a guess that around 70% of the comments are of the "they asked for it" variety. But of course the left cries out in pain as it strikes you. As for shooting Congressmen, remember a group of Puerto Ricans shot up the House of Representatives in 1954. Another great victory for the left, magnificently airbrushed from school textbooks.

    The Puerto Ricans who shot up Congress we’re Puerto Rican separatists. Our host has repeatedly recommended giving Puerto Rico independence since, really, who needs it?

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  47. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    I recommend people go over to Twitter and check out the deafening silence in the Twitter feeds of our technocratic elite. Jeet Heer’s is especially odious, as is David Frum’s. I guess they’ve spent enough time around Canadians to know how to smother difficult truths through the use of weaponized boredom.

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    Four hours ago: "A fitting end for a slow news day."

    https://twitter.com/BCAppelbaum/status/875117608881844224


    Matthew Yglesias is just as uninterested in the Republicans' baseball related injuries this morning. These people are vile. I really have come to better understand the behaviour of those around Stalin during his Terror by watching our educated classes over the last year or so.

    , @Tom-in-VA
    Jeet Heer? Is that a name? It sounds like someone from Philly asking if you've dined at a particular restaurant before.
    , @Anonymous
    Jeet did join in in piling on the NYT though: https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/875196474388119554

    They must have really goofed this time.

    , @Art Deco
    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note. Heer's main specialty is literary and art criticism of comic books. Frum is a lapsed lawyer. (One who never practiced beyond summer clerking). See Thomas Sowell: the Anointed mistake intelligence for expertise and articulateness with intelligence. What these guys know how to do is turn in copy on time and sound like they know what they're talking about.

    I suspect most of the people affiliated with the Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose, nothing that's happened in Alexandria appears to have piqued their interest.
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  48. Wonder whether this makes some converts among GOP establishment types to the Flight 93 outlook.

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  49. Has anyone seen any comments about this shooting by Hilhag? I only saw a tweet where she compared herself to Wonder Woman.

    Mueller announced that he may seek obstruction of justice charges against Trump.

    Trump has to fire Mueller, Rosenstein. Then he has make a speech to the USA stating that this Russia insanity is nonsense, has to stop and he and his administration will stop it. Hold the Democrats’ feets to the fire.

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  50. @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Welcome back, Tiny Duck. We’ve missed your lampoons of prog-thought.

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  51. @Thomas

    This ought to be reminiscent of the assassination of Dutch immigration restrictionist leader Pim Fortuyn by a pro-immigration white leftist in 2002, the day after the end of the Two-Weeks Hate against French presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen, a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability implying that the dead candidate had it coming.
     
    There's already been many reminders of Scalise supposedly speaking at some David Duke-organized event. https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/875063680844656640

    Honestly though, it seems mostly as though "the Resistance" isn't going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric.

    “Honestly though, it seems mostly as though ‘the Resistance’ isn’t going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric.”

    My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald’s murder of Kennedy on the “climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas.” The Left’s projection tactic is not new, it’s been operating since the Jacobins.

    Forget the loon who shot Giffords. Forget Tim McVeigh. Forget every one of the right-wingers who did violence. Because there is no organized right wing violence – it’s all done by lone wolves; while the Left’s violence – and the Left’s endless propaganda inciting and praising Leftist violence – is extremely and efficiently well-organized. Further, the Left’s organizing is backed and often funded by a lot of other Left and liberal organizations – there’s no such backing or funding for right wing organizing. Atop all that, the Left’s violence is either covered up, smoothed over, tacitly approved, or praised as being “courageous” by Enemedia-Pravda.

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    The loon who shot Giffords had nothing to do with the political right. He is not a member of the set "every one of the right-wingers who did violence" nor of the set "(right-wing) lone wolves."
    , @1972 heartbreak kid
    [quote]My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald’s murder of Kennedy on the “climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas.” The Left’s projection tactic is not new, it’s been operating since the Jacobins.[/quote]

    Or Socrates....
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  52. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    yeah, but Fortuyn was a real populist for white rights, whereas scalise is nothing but a cuck and corporate shill….I couldn’t care less about scalise….and it is disgusting to see all these alt-right/alt-lite pundits on twitter tweeting about how they care about scalise and how the democrats are evil…scalise is evil, just as evil as dems

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  53. @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Tiny Duck, your lampoons of prog-thought get better and better. Keep up the good work!

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  54. @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    You know, the Morlocks will eat you as well.

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    You know, the Morlocks will eat you as well.
     
    One of them ate him long ago. That one immediately processed him through that one's alimentary canal, but the Duck's posts demonstrate the corrosive effects that his journey had.

    The good news is that the Duck still floats.
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  55. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    I recommend people go over to Twitter and check out the deafening silence in the Twitter feeds of our technocratic elite. Jeet Heer's is especially odious, as is David Frum's. I guess they've spent enough time around Canadians to know how to smother difficult truths through the use of weaponized boredom.

    Four hours ago: “A fitting end for a slow news day.”

    Matthew Yglesias is just as uninterested in the Republicans’ baseball related injuries this morning. These people are vile. I really have come to better understand the behaviour of those around Stalin during his Terror by watching our educated classes over the last year or so.

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    You can't expect Binyamin to give a damn about some shaygetz. And he doesn't.

    Is it Binyamin who is a descendant of Zinoviev, or is that Anne? Or am I thinking of a different individual entirely?
    , @bored identity
    It seems to bored identity that if you were Once Presstitute, you 'll be Always Presstitute:



    Hodgkinson seemed to be a fervent opponent of Mr. Trump.

    He signed an online petition calling for the president to be impeached, posting it on Facebook with a chilling comment: “It’s time to destroy Trump & co.”

     

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  56. As a friend said earlier this year – I believe it was after the pink vagina hat march in DC – the dimocrats haven’t been this mad at not getting to pick the President since we took their slaves away. Maybe this will prove to be their new Fort Sumter.

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  57. @Veracitor
    Probably the attacker was a Republican, really. He was an angry aging white man, no doubt a racist, a nutcase like all of Trump's supporters. Republican attempts to smear Bernie Sanders by associating this guy with Bernie just show how hypocritical Republicans are. Everybody knows that all the crazies who shoot at politicians are right-wing Republican NRA KKK types like Beltway snipers John Allen Muhammed and Lee Malvo, Jared Loughner, Squeaky Fromme, et alia ad infinitum.

    Or if this guy wasn't a Republican it will turn out that he had a righteous grievance same as Omar Thornton, and like John Kerry always says, you can understand how he had a rationale for the somewhat-overdone heroism of his actions.

    “Righteous grievance”

    The line seems to be that “people’s losing their healthcare” (i.e. the predictable and grotesque failure of the “Affordable” [sic] Care Act) filled his heart with concern and therefore his shooting people is understandable. I’m not being funny. This is what Democrats are saying on Twitter.

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  58. Dr. X says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.

    Whoops.

    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.

    I don’t know what he had — one report was that it was an AK, but I don’t know if that was accurate. In any case it’s plain that the guy (thankfully) couldn’t shoot. Not trying to sound morbid or freaky here, but if you’ve got a bunch of unarmed people on a baseball diamond only a few yards away and you want to kill them all and you fire dozens of shots and don’t kill any, you have no tactical skills.

    I wonder if the guy was even using the sights? The Arab jihadis don’t. In all of the jihadi combat videos I’ve ever seen, none of them use the freaking sights, they just hip fire. No wonder they use IEDs, they can’t hit anything with a rifle.

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    A guy with experience in the Sandbox attributed that to Islamic fatalism. "If Allah wills it" the shooter will hit his target. If not -- kismet.
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  59. @Auntie Analogue

    "Honestly though, it seems mostly as though 'the Resistance' isn’t going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric."
     
    My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald's murder of Kennedy on the "climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas." The Left's projection tactic is not new, it's been operating since the Jacobins.

    Forget the loon who shot Giffords. Forget Tim McVeigh. Forget every one of the right-wingers who did violence. Because there is no organized right wing violence - it's all done by lone wolves; while the Left's violence - and the Left's endless propaganda inciting and praising Leftist violence - is extremely and efficiently well-organized. Further, the Left's organizing is backed and often funded by a lot of other Left and liberal organizations - there's no such backing or funding for right wing organizing. Atop all that, the Left's violence is either covered up, smoothed over, tacitly approved, or praised as being "courageous" by Enemedia-Pravda.

    The loon who shot Giffords had nothing to do with the political right. He is not a member of the set “every one of the right-wingers who did violence” nor of the set “(right-wing) lone wolves.”

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    Not only that but pretty much every "right wing white nationalist terrorist" almost always turns out to be something else.
    It would be grounds for government overthrow were that not the case, because, as any real nationalist could tell you, anybody wearing a Nazi-ish uniform is guaranteed to be a federal officer hoping to entrap taxpayers.
    , @CJ
    Loughner wounded Giffords, but shot and killed Judge John Roll, a conservative Republican, whose death has gone down the memory hole as far as the legacy media are concerned.
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  60. Dr. X says:

    I’ve noticed that the media is burying this story rather quickly. The coverage was intense in the morning, but by the evening, it was “A congressman was shot in Arlington, Virginia today… And in other news, President TRUMP IS UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!!”

    If a right-wing shooter or Trump campaign volunteer had tried to assassinate a bevy of Democratic congresscritters and hit, for instance, a Schumer or Pelosi, you’d never hear the end of it. It would be 24-7 wall-to-wall headline coverage for months on end.

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  61. @newrouter
    i want to address your comment but, first what pronoun should i use?

    How about dickhead?

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  62. Gringo says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Stan Adams

    This is the amazing thing that stuck me about this event. If a Trump supporter had shot a bunch of Democrats the coverage on the "climate of hate" would have been wall to wall for weeks. In this case the MSM grabbed the first thing they could to move on.

    If a Trump supporter had shot a bunch of Democrats the coverage on the “climate of hate” would have been wall to wall for weeks.
    Exactly.

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A Twitterer comments on the NYTimes editorial: https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/875177653153787905

    Jeff B/DDHQ‏ @EsotericCD

    This paragraph in today’s NYT editorial on Alexandria shootings is offensively, quasi-Stalinistically wrong: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/opinion/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html

    In 2011, when Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl, the link to political incitement was clear. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs.

    It has literally been proven beyond any doubt–b/c Loughner survived+left copious journals–that Giffords shooting was NON-political.

    Why does NYT insist on falsehood? B/c they remember despicable editorial they wrote back in 2011, before facts were in, blaming it on Palin.

    This is the most craven sort of ass-covering: the author hopes you don’t remember, or won’t check Wikipedia. Just nod along smugly.

    I can only spit.

    My God I missed this gem in the next paragraph, which only proves my point.

    Though there’s no sign of incitement as direct as in the Giffords attack,

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    Put it on "der list"!
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  64. @Cool Shoes
    "He's shooting cans! Stay away from the cans"!

    These cans are defective. LOL!

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  65. @Cagey Beast
    Four hours ago: "A fitting end for a slow news day."

    https://twitter.com/BCAppelbaum/status/875117608881844224


    Matthew Yglesias is just as uninterested in the Republicans' baseball related injuries this morning. These people are vile. I really have come to better understand the behaviour of those around Stalin during his Terror by watching our educated classes over the last year or so.

    You can’t expect Binyamin to give a damn about some shaygetz. And he doesn’t.

    Is it Binyamin who is a descendant of Zinoviev, or is that Anne? Or am I thinking of a different individual entirely?

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  66. EriK says:
    @Anonymous
    Why does Congress have time to play softball but can't get the wall built?

    It’s baseball dummy. That’s important.

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    I think both the Wall and baseball are pretty darn important ;)
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  67. J.Ross says: • Website

    Not saying this was the “real cause” (the shooter looks like a pretty stock, highly suggestible loser-nut, self-selected for self-righteousness) but Scalise was looking into the elephant in the room, modern day slavery, globalist open-borders human trafficking. Pretty lucky shot after all.
    One of the biggest offenders in Mestizo trading is agriculture and food processing, and within that sphere one of the biggest offenders is Tyson. A Tyson lobbyist was present at the field at the time of the attack.
    I am told that in the recent Virginia gubernatorial primary, winner Gillespie was the “Tyson candidate.”
    I am sure the media will remember to mention this — no, strike that: NPR today spun it as “gun violence” (just days after their Pulse Nightclub memorial omitted mention all of Islam), tried to steal victimhood (anonymous Democrats are claiming that they have been verbally threatened but forgot to record it, so clearly, we’re as much victims as the guy in the hospital bed), and said nothing about the constant drumbeat of assassination jokes coming from comedians, writers, entertainers, Shakespeare in the Park, twitterers, late show hosts and actors, or about the completely one-sided wave of violence that followed the election, or about foreign governments giving money to destabilization efforts under the guise of activism.

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  68. Dee says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    We got very lucky that he was such a incompetent shot.

    I’ve got the same gun; it’s easy to keep ten rounds inside a 6 inch group at 100 yards. So yeah, he really was a terrible marksman. Tactically, he should of taken out the security detail first, for obvious reasons. Lucky he was just the typical lefty fuck up, that functions at a 25th percentile level.

    On AR15.com, somebody commented on how a lefty will buy a 50 round box of 9mm and a 20 round box of 5.56mm take a picture of them and post it on Fakebook with the caption “this is muh ammo stash”…

    Guys that are reallllly into guns might have 200,000 rounds stashed away…or more. I’ve seen the photos, must cost $50,000 or more to amass that. That’s serious interest.

    Going to be an interesting summer if the media and the rest of the left doesn’t cool it…

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    I've always been for gun rights...but getting around to owning them ourselves has been an issue. Kids, the mortgage, and eating always came first.

    Guns and ammo are expensive. I know one single Mom who ended buying the smallest gun she could simply on economics of the thing.

    It baffles me how that never comes up, the cost angle. It turns out everybody will not have a gun if you loosen gun regs because you either need to prioritize their purchase or be wealthy or both. I sometimes wonder if the Brits have banned guns just because it's cheaper, LOL.
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  69. J.Ross says: • Website
    @The True and Original David
    The loon who shot Giffords had nothing to do with the political right. He is not a member of the set "every one of the right-wingers who did violence" nor of the set "(right-wing) lone wolves."

    Not only that but pretty much every “right wing white nationalist terrorist” almost always turns out to be something else.
    It would be grounds for government overthrow were that not the case, because, as any real nationalist could tell you, anybody wearing a Nazi-ish uniform is guaranteed to be a federal officer hoping to entrap taxpayers.

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  70. e says:
    @Jack D
    Didn't the Giffords shooter (the closest comparable case) also turn out to be a leftist? (Ditto Oswald?) That's the biggest irony - he was a leftist but it got blamed on the right wing "climate of hate" anyway. Come to think of it, the profile of today's shooter sure seems like a right winger to me - white male gun owner. Are you sure he wasn't really a rightist? C'mon , if you squint hard he's a rightist and you don't have to accept any responsibility for provoking him.

    Gifford’s shooter, Jared Loughner, is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

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    One of his fixations appeared to have been a kind of illiterate misreading of Sapir-Whorf which he called "infinite language." Schizophrenics often have these air loom "stoner revelations" that make no sense but that you almost want to be true in a Don Quixote or Baron Munchausen way.
    Know what Loughner liked to make fun of on YouTube? People laughed at by the popular culture. He created multiple comedy shows mocking "Conspiracy Theory" show host Jesse Ventura and the "Ancient Aliens" idea. Something to remember next time the TV machine is telling you to laugh at somebody (that is not to say that anyone listed is right, only to remind folks how deceptively easy it is to point and laugh).
    In my readings of what I could find of Loughner's online life I never saw anything I would call political, one way or the other. His idea was that "infinite language" would transcend mere ideology.
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  71. Lurker says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin

    Hold up sunshine, that was one of your mob.

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  72. @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    Thanks for your drug-induced dishonesty. The Left has an uninterrupted history of political violence, from the French Revolution until today. And today, sadly, has once again demonstrated your preferred use of illicit violence, which you use to advance your position.

    Your political philosophy is based on dissembling and intimidation. You portray your opponents as villains, marginalizing them through slander and libel, and you embrace murdering the innocent, and then you congratulate yourself for the effectiveness of your campaign of ruthless viciousness.

    When your time comes, remember that you chose this path. And the reckoning visited upon you won’t be accidental. You demanded it.

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    The Left has an uninterrupted history of political violence, from the French Revolution until today.
     
    It goes back much further than that:

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/how-could-lucifer-an-archangel-have-rebelled-against-god
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  73. @Thea
    He must defund universities pushing the leftist lies as well.

    For this Crusade, I hereby volunteer.

    Where to begin?

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  74. Lagertha says:

    reality is, this is bad, so, so, so bad for the Democrats. Their phony prayers, btw, (so disgustingly phony) and concern for the shot Republican individuals made me nauseous.

    Democrats are done. This shooting will stain the Democrats for decades…especially, because they are now, crazily, trying to tie “gun control” to it! So stupid and hilarious!…but carry-on, by all means…walk to irrelevance. Democrats have been losing a lot of seats for a while…and, they still don’t get it. I am their worst nightmare: I voted for Obama 2x…until I learned how blindsided and lied to I have been for a long, long time – gotta admit, Democrats are really good liars. I will never vote for Democrats ever again. And, I don’t believe in their contrite “prayers and support for their Republican colleagues” at all…just more lies. They can call themselves Progressives…but they are anything but that – they have been stoking hatred everyday. Hmmm? maybe I should feel positive once all the victims are out of the hospital.

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    The Left is celebrating this.

    You miss one thing about the Democrats. They see the GOP/conservatives as scum. The MSM has been demonizing us 7x24 for almost a year and whipped the left into hysteria.

    Go watch Tucker Carson when he interviews mainstream Dems, they are unhinged and even threatening to him. You'd swear he was interviewing people loaded on bath salts.

    In 48 hours the Democratic party will go back to demonizing Trump and everyone associated with him. Trump even now is being blamed for the attack.

    And this shooting won't be the last. Next time they'll chose a softer target.
    , @dr kill
    There are no good Democrats. There are few good Republicans. Very few.
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  75. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @Greasy William

    Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords’ would-be assassin, etc.
     
    You have a point with Dylan Roof but McVeigh's ideology was more anti government then anti liberal and the guy who shot Giffords was just a nutter.

    And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds. Most of the Left either supports this attack or only opposes it for tactical reasons.

    Which is fine with me. Bring on the second Civil War, I say.

    “And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds.”

    I have not seen or heard of any support from The Right (I assume from your comment They are a discrete and an identifiable group…who are They?), not 1%, not nothin’, for that miserable little bastard Roof.

    He is the best argument for capital punishment I have seen in years.

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    Even Harold Covington and Alex Linder came out and said the same thing, it was incredibly stupid and unthinkingly vicious. Roof should be put to death, and the sooner the better.
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  76. @White Guy In Japan
    You know, the Morlocks will eat you as well.

    You know, the Morlocks will eat you as well.

    One of them ate him long ago. That one immediately processed him through that one’s alimentary canal, but the Duck’s posts demonstrate the corrosive effects that his journey had.

    The good news is that the Duck still floats.

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  77. @Auntie Analogue

    "Honestly though, it seems mostly as though 'the Resistance' isn’t going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric."
     
    My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald's murder of Kennedy on the "climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas." The Left's projection tactic is not new, it's been operating since the Jacobins.

    Forget the loon who shot Giffords. Forget Tim McVeigh. Forget every one of the right-wingers who did violence. Because there is no organized right wing violence - it's all done by lone wolves; while the Left's violence - and the Left's endless propaganda inciting and praising Leftist violence - is extremely and efficiently well-organized. Further, the Left's organizing is backed and often funded by a lot of other Left and liberal organizations - there's no such backing or funding for right wing organizing. Atop all that, the Left's violence is either covered up, smoothed over, tacitly approved, or praised as being "courageous" by Enemedia-Pravda.

    [quote]My dear Thomas, the Left has never admitted that white Communist Lee Oswald murdered JFK. The Left never admits, never owns, its crimes or sins. To this day the Left blames Oswald’s murder of Kennedy on the “climate of Right Wing Hate in Dallas.” The Left’s projection tactic is not new, it’s been operating since the Jacobins.[/quote]

    Or Socrates….

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  78. … the shooter looks like a pretty stock, highly suggestible loser-nut, self-selected for self-righteousness …

    How did this loser Democrat know that Congress ppl. would be at that location early on Tuesday, 6/14/17?

    Was the early morning ball practice widely reported in the local media?

    Or did someone or some Internet source steer the shooter to this particular ball field on the morning of 14 June?

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    This is, clearly, what happened. This guy staked out the scene for two months. This was as planned an assassination as anything that's happened in American political history.
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  79. @Jack D
    They are nothing and will continue to be nothing until one day they might not be. It's like that shooter today - he was a terrible shot and barely managed to wound a few people because HE was a nothing. BUT, if you had left him out there in that field, free to take shots day after day, year after year, eventually he would have killed someone. Trump has to be lucky every day and his opponents only have to be lucky once.

    This is a good point. I remember joking with a friend over lunch in the mid-1990s about the low-rent Islamic terrorists. The 1993 World Trade Center bombers went back to the truck rental agency to claim their deposit! Har har. What a bunch of amateurs!

    Well, a couple of years later they managed to blow up some US embassies. A couple more years, they damaged a US warship and then couple of more years and they finally took down the twin towers, killing thousands.

    They are incompetent and ridiculous … until one day they aren’t.

    At some point, a resentful leftist will do something violently effective, whether through competence or luck. Then we will wish we had suppressed them harder before it came to so much bloodshed.

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  80. @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    The level of insanity amongst the "cosmopolitans" is too high for saving. I'm not interested in the more or less hopeless task of educating these loons--genetics, culture, history--and talking some sense into them. They are in a death cult.

    Let all these "Open Society" global "cosmopolitans" have their John Lennonesque "imagination", with their LBGTQWERTY freaks, their BLM, their muzzies, their mexicans all living in perfect diversitopian harmony with their equisitely progressive selves. But then allow us stale pale penis people--and the women who want to join us--have our own historic nations as well, and leave us the hell alone.

    Good comment. What divides us is now greater than what unites us. It might still be done peacefully at this point, but what is coming is probably akin to the 1947 India-Pakistan partition, but with several groups and nuclear weapons potentially in play.

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  81. Rod1963 says:

    Don’t really care about Scalise – the guy is no friend of conservative whites.

    That said, we should be worried given the response from the Left rank and file on this. They liked it and essentially blamed Trump for it. Even Juan Williams on FoxNews did.

    F**king lunatics. They are jonesing for a civil war.

    Worry about what comes next, they may target some MAGA type whites holding protest or meeting. They would be a much easier target.

    The scary fact is if this lunatic was a better shot and positioned himself better before he started shooting he could have decimated the GOP leadership in one fell swoop. This, people involved in security know this and it scares them.

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    "Don’t really care about Scalise – the guy is no friend of conservative whites."


    Get a clue; the guy is still in the hospital, and not out of the woods yet.
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  82. Rod1963 says:
    @Lagertha
    reality is, this is bad, so, so, so bad for the Democrats. Their phony prayers, btw, (so disgustingly phony) and concern for the shot Republican individuals made me nauseous.

    Democrats are done. This shooting will stain the Democrats for decades...especially, because they are now, crazily, trying to tie "gun control" to it! So stupid and hilarious!...but carry-on, by all means...walk to irrelevance. Democrats have been losing a lot of seats for a while...and, they still don't get it. I am their worst nightmare: I voted for Obama 2x...until I learned how blindsided and lied to I have been for a long, long time - gotta admit, Democrats are really good liars. I will never vote for Democrats ever again. And, I don't believe in their contrite "prayers and support for their Republican colleagues" at all...just more lies. They can call themselves Progressives...but they are anything but that - they have been stoking hatred everyday. Hmmm? maybe I should feel positive once all the victims are out of the hospital.

    The Left is celebrating this.

    You miss one thing about the Democrats. They see the GOP/conservatives as scum. The MSM has been demonizing us 7×24 for almost a year and whipped the left into hysteria.

    Go watch Tucker Carson when he interviews mainstream Dems, they are unhinged and even threatening to him. You’d swear he was interviewing people loaded on bath salts.

    In 48 hours the Democratic party will go back to demonizing Trump and everyone associated with him. Trump even now is being blamed for the attack.

    And this shooting won’t be the last. Next time they’ll chose a softer target.

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    >And this shooting won’t be the last. Next time they’ll chose a softer target.

    Or a harder shooter... This was about as soft a target as one could hope for when that many congressmen are in one place.
    , @Lagertha
    well, I was thinking more about my nice, white, lady, liberal friends who feel mortified that this has happened. So many are worried about their reputations now, since they have gone on and on about how horrible Trump is - they were startled already, by Kathy's decapitation stunt. So, I see a change in that many suburban dwellers do not want to be painted as haters. Hating comes with a price. I have distanced myself from so many angry, irrational liberals who should be concentrating on practical day-to-day matters, not urging for a different, nonsensical protest every month.

    And, people (Boomers) are leaving my state in droves bc they are fed up with all the liberals who have ruined the govt of this state, the future economy of this state.

    And, yes, I adore Tucker...he went to college in my state, and he unmasks (slays) all kinds of liberal haters and weirdos every night - I watch it with morbid fascination! Some of these people are such pathetic and vile human beings - it's better than RHWs of NYC.

    Oh...and you're correct about future shootings. Irony: my relative was murdered by a "black market" gun (in Europe) for no reason at all - guy got mad at him for some slight. Gun control is impossible in Europe, even the strict countries. When the EU formed, all the underground lawless mobs streamed into each country to stake out territory: sell guns, drugs, booze & cigarettes, human trafficking, pirated CD's, DVD's. There is more organized crime in Northern Europe than ever before...so, there will always be guns in the USA.

    Mental cases (or, people with an abnormal brain like Lanza) are impossible to stop. But, people who want to get a gun will always be able to since the "black market" is everywhere now. It's just like the opioid problem...people are making money selling stuff secretly.
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  83. @Cagey Beast
    Four hours ago: "A fitting end for a slow news day."

    https://twitter.com/BCAppelbaum/status/875117608881844224


    Matthew Yglesias is just as uninterested in the Republicans' baseball related injuries this morning. These people are vile. I really have come to better understand the behaviour of those around Stalin during his Terror by watching our educated classes over the last year or so.

    It seems to bored identity that if you were Once Presstitute, you ‘ll be Always Presstitute:

    Hodgkinson seemed to be a fervent opponent of Mr. Trump.

    He signed an online petition calling for the president to be impeached, posting it on Facebook with a chilling comment: “It’s time to destroy Trump & co.”

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  84. J.Ross says: • Website
    @e
    Gifford's shooter, Jared Loughner, is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

    One of his fixations appeared to have been a kind of illiterate misreading of Sapir-Whorf which he called “infinite language.” Schizophrenics often have these air loom “stoner revelations” that make no sense but that you almost want to be true in a Don Quixote or Baron Munchausen way.
    Know what Loughner liked to make fun of on YouTube? People laughed at by the popular culture. He created multiple comedy shows mocking “Conspiracy Theory” show host Jesse Ventura and the “Ancient Aliens” idea. Something to remember next time the TV machine is telling you to laugh at somebody (that is not to say that anyone listed is right, only to remind folks how deceptively easy it is to point and laugh).
    In my readings of what I could find of Loughner’s online life I never saw anything I would call political, one way or the other. His idea was that “infinite language” would transcend mere ideology.

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  85. Svigor says:

    Leftists are so dumb, they’re “amazed” that Sessions has gone without being briefed on the Russia Hoax. He wasn’t briefed because he’s recused himself (to your cheers), you numbskulls.

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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @2Mintzin1
    "And even with Roof, 99%+ of the most extreme fringes of the Right opposed what he did and opposed it on moral grounds."


    I have not seen or heard of any support from The Right (I assume from your comment They are a discrete and an identifiable group...who are They?), not 1%, not nothin', for that miserable little bastard Roof.

    He is the best argument for capital punishment I have seen in years.

    Even Harold Covington and Alex Linder came out and said the same thing, it was incredibly stupid and unthinkingly vicious. Roof should be put to death, and the sooner the better.

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  87. Romanian says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    A Twitterer comments on the NYTimes editorial: https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/875177653153787905

    Jeff B/DDHQ‏ @EsotericCD

    This paragraph in today's NYT editorial on Alexandria shootings is offensively, quasi-Stalinistically wrong: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/opinion/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html

    In 2011, when Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl, the link to political incitement was clear. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs.
     

    It has literally been proven beyond any doubt--b/c Loughner survived+left copious journals--that Giffords shooting was NON-political.

    Why does NYT insist on falsehood? B/c they remember despicable editorial they wrote back in 2011, before facts were in, blaming it on Palin.

    This is the most craven sort of ass-covering: the author hopes you don't remember, or won't check Wikipedia. Just nod along smugly.

    I can only spit.

    My God I missed this gem in the next paragraph, which only proves my point.


    Though there’s no sign of incitement as direct as in the Giffords attack,
     

     

    Put it on “der list”!

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  88. @Anonymous
    Rand Paul says everybody would be dead if Scalise's Capitol Police security detail hadn't been there with them. Apparently the assailant had to shoot through the chain link fence behind the dugout.

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.

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    The whole event appears to have been an episode of the A-Team.
    , @Anonymous

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.
     
    Thanks for saying this. There's been so much praise of their actions. Do you think that if the two guards were Blackwater mercs this would've lasted 10 minutes?? I've worked with federal protective details, including Capitol PD. I always tell family members that I'd rather be protected by Blackwater guys than an federal protective detail, including Secret Service. I'm sure you could pick a protective detail A-team, made up of special agents like Dan Bongino, Jonathan Gilliam, etc., but that's not how it works. You're gonna be stuck with a lot of dudes. Some female who went on USAJobs after not getting a good job with her education degree from Virginia Tech.
    , @27 year old
    >And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.

    Understatement
    , @Johann Ricke

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.
     
    The shooter used an AK-47, a long gun* with a good amount of punch, and a 30-round magazine, from behind cover, and had plenty of ammo whereas the security people were exposed and probably spent some of that time looking for cover and/or a good location for returning fire without being perforated. Unless he stood up and started advancing like Rambo, it's hard to see how they could have taken him out in less than 10 minutes. Security people aren't disposable drones, and this was an ambush that turned into a firefight, not a duel over honor between gentlemen (in which both sides are standing up out in the open and fire until one goes down).

    * The significance of this is that his shots were more likely to be accurate at a given range, even without much training, and would certainly do more damage than the average pistol shot if they were on target. For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block. The security people presumably understood this, and gave his weapon the amount of respect it deserved, i.e. by being more cautious. Here's a video that shows up the ridiculousness of action scenes where the characters are shooting at each other with rifles and ducking behind sheetrock walls:

    , @Johann Ricke
    Not sure why the view did not show up, but here goes:

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  89. Tom-in-VA says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I recommend people go over to Twitter and check out the deafening silence in the Twitter feeds of our technocratic elite. Jeet Heer's is especially odious, as is David Frum's. I guess they've spent enough time around Canadians to know how to smother difficult truths through the use of weaponized boredom.

    Jeet Heer? Is that a name? It sounds like someone from Philly asking if you’ve dined at a particular restaurant before.

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  90. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Cagey Beast
    I recommend people go over to Twitter and check out the deafening silence in the Twitter feeds of our technocratic elite. Jeet Heer's is especially odious, as is David Frum's. I guess they've spent enough time around Canadians to know how to smother difficult truths through the use of weaponized boredom.

    Jeet did join in in piling on the NYT though: https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/875196474388119554

    They must have really goofed this time.

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  91. dr kill says:
    @Lagertha
    reality is, this is bad, so, so, so bad for the Democrats. Their phony prayers, btw, (so disgustingly phony) and concern for the shot Republican individuals made me nauseous.

    Democrats are done. This shooting will stain the Democrats for decades...especially, because they are now, crazily, trying to tie "gun control" to it! So stupid and hilarious!...but carry-on, by all means...walk to irrelevance. Democrats have been losing a lot of seats for a while...and, they still don't get it. I am their worst nightmare: I voted for Obama 2x...until I learned how blindsided and lied to I have been for a long, long time - gotta admit, Democrats are really good liars. I will never vote for Democrats ever again. And, I don't believe in their contrite "prayers and support for their Republican colleagues" at all...just more lies. They can call themselves Progressives...but they are anything but that - they have been stoking hatred everyday. Hmmm? maybe I should feel positive once all the victims are out of the hospital.

    There are no good Democrats. There are few good Republicans. Very few.

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    sigh...you are correct.
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  92. Sowhat says:
    @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    The level of insanity amongst the "cosmopolitans" is too high for saving. I'm not interested in the more or less hopeless task of educating these loons--genetics, culture, history--and talking some sense into them. They are in a death cult.

    Let all these "Open Society" global "cosmopolitans" have their John Lennonesque "imagination", with their LBGTQWERTY freaks, their BLM, their muzzies, their mexicans all living in perfect diversitopian harmony with their equisitely progressive selves. But then allow us stale pale penis people--and the women who want to join us--have our own historic nations as well, and leave us the hell alone.

    I agree with you; however, at the same time, all of this huddling into two diametrically apposed camps is precisely what The Destroyers desire…divide and weaken and conquer. There is no common ground, no reconsiliatory dialogue. There is only division which may make us an easy mark for some foreign power or powers that will seized this opportunity to attack the failing hegemon of the Great Century. The powers that constitute the New World Order are licking their chops. This all weakens National Security and the Republic or whatever is left of it. I only hear one voice saying Make America Great Again.

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  93. bomag says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right…

    I like the immediate bargain, as if such trolls would ever lighten the boot on the face.

    The Right has caved on almost everything, and gotten just more calls for their demise.

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  94. AM says:
    @Dee
    I've got the same gun; it's easy to keep ten rounds inside a 6 inch group at 100 yards. So yeah, he really was a terrible marksman. Tactically, he should of taken out the security detail first, for obvious reasons. Lucky he was just the typical lefty fuck up, that functions at a 25th percentile level.

    On AR15.com, somebody commented on how a lefty will buy a 50 round box of 9mm and a 20 round box of 5.56mm take a picture of them and post it on Fakebook with the caption "this is muh ammo stash"...

    Guys that are reallllly into guns might have 200,000 rounds stashed away...or more. I've seen the photos, must cost $50,000 or more to amass that. That's serious interest.

    Going to be an interesting summer if the media and the rest of the left doesn't cool it...

    I’ve always been for gun rights…but getting around to owning them ourselves has been an issue. Kids, the mortgage, and eating always came first.

    Guns and ammo are expensive. I know one single Mom who ended buying the smallest gun she could simply on economics of the thing.

    It baffles me how that never comes up, the cost angle. It turns out everybody will not have a gun if you loosen gun regs because you either need to prioritize their purchase or be wealthy or both. I sometimes wonder if the Brits have banned guns just because it’s cheaper, LOL.

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    You are right, of course, that gun ownership and training can require more spending than some people realize.

    But it is not generally plausible that most or even many nongunowning households in the USA don't buy guns and ammo because they truly can't afford it while still buying food, paying mortgage or rent, etc.

    How much does the average non-gun owning household in the USA spend on TV each month? Starbucks? Tobacco? Alcohol? Marijuana? Lottery tickets? And yes, respectable middle class families very, very often have members who regularly spend substantial sums on several of those things.

    Forgoing some such luxuries and vices for a year, at most, easily provides enough money to buy a couple guns and plentiful ammunition, pay for basic gun safety / self-defense lessons, buy a gun safe, and cover membership for two people at a gun range.

    They "can't afford" to equip and train themselves with firearms to save their families and neighbors, but they CAN afford hundreds of dollars per month to get buzzed in various ways and vegetate in front of a tv screen? Great priorities.

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  95. AM says:
    @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.

    The whole event appears to have been an episode of the A-Team.

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  96. Travis says:

    the constant media outrage against Trump is certainly partly responsible. There are too mnay lunatics in America, people without families to reign them in, folks taking anti-depressenta which effect the mind. This nut was most likley on some types of meds, like most of those who go on shooting rampages. But the added compenent of the media being 100% opposed to Republicans will often result in unstable men reating with violence.

    It is bad enough that too many Americans lack being part of a family today, it allows the crazy ones to act more insane without anyone to help them. In the past insane people reported seeing witches, and the devil or reported being abducted by aliens or being controlled by the CIA. Today the media conspires to portray Conservatives as the enemy of the people. Lunatics are influenced by the media today, while in the past it was their religion. Insane people are most dangerous when they latch onto a dangerous world view. When the media was focused on the BLM narrative, we saw people killing cops. Now the media is focused on demonizing Trump and his associates so we should expect more violence perpetrated against those who are aligned with Trump.

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  97. @Rod1963
    The Left is celebrating this.

    You miss one thing about the Democrats. They see the GOP/conservatives as scum. The MSM has been demonizing us 7x24 for almost a year and whipped the left into hysteria.

    Go watch Tucker Carson when he interviews mainstream Dems, they are unhinged and even threatening to him. You'd swear he was interviewing people loaded on bath salts.

    In 48 hours the Democratic party will go back to demonizing Trump and everyone associated with him. Trump even now is being blamed for the attack.

    And this shooting won't be the last. Next time they'll chose a softer target.

    >And this shooting won’t be the last. Next time they’ll chose a softer target.

    Or a harder shooter… This was about as soft a target as one could hope for when that many congressmen are in one place.

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  98. RonaldB says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    PSYCHO BABY BOOMER SHOOTS STEVE SCALISE

    The corporate media has driven a baby boomer supporter of Bernie Sanders to political violence. The corporate media has joined with the DEEP STATE in an attempt to destroy President Trump. The corporate media has blood on its hands. The DEEP STATE has also contributed to the frenzied anti-Trump atmosphere in the United States.

    President Trump must dismantle the corporate media.

    President Trump must dislodge and discard the treasonous DEEP STATE.

    “President Trump must dismantle the corporate media.”

    It’s dangerous to dismantle media based on the content. You might do it now, but once you set the precedent, the left is SO much more effective and determined in shutting down publications.

    Of course, most of the MSM is much more entertainment than real news, and leftist propaganda to boot. But the correct response is more freedom, not less. In the US, the internet provides real journalism and real analysis, available to anyone who wishes to read it. Any moves to censor based on content would be FAR more likely to shut off the flow of real information, rather than to improve the quality of broadcast news.

    There are steps to lessen the impact of political street thugs and lone wolves. Allow every citizen without a criminal conviction to carry a weapon. Once a nut begins shooting, he can be certain of a lethal response. He may be able to get one or two, but you won’t have the situation of a crowd of sitting ducks under fire.

    Another action to lessen random street violence is to make it a felony, and enforce it, to wear an identity-concealing mask on a public street, unless you’re under 15 and it’s Halloween season. Reading an account of the Berkeley clashes, event the MSM noted that the opposing sides were raucous but peaceful until antifa showed up. Antifa, of course, uses masks to conceal their felonies. It would do much to dampen violence if masked street thugs were immediately arrested and charged with a felony. And they could sprout as much Trump hatred as they wanted.

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    Another action to lessen random street violence is to make it a felony, and enforce it, to wear an identity-concealing mask on a public street, unless you’re under 15 and it’s Halloween season.
     
    The part I bolded is the key. The question is how? Because it looks like the people who get to decide what is enforced and what isn't look to generally be on the side of the mask-wearers.
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  99. Kevin C. says:
    @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    The level of insanity amongst the "cosmopolitans" is too high for saving. I'm not interested in the more or less hopeless task of educating these loons--genetics, culture, history--and talking some sense into them. They are in a death cult.

    Let all these "Open Society" global "cosmopolitans" have their John Lennonesque "imagination", with their LBGTQWERTY freaks, their BLM, their muzzies, their mexicans all living in perfect diversitopian harmony with their equisitely progressive selves. But then allow us stale pale penis people--and the women who want to join us--have our own historic nations as well, and leave us the hell alone.

    Separate nations.

    Except there aren’t much in the way of strong geographical lines between the two sides, except urban vs. rural.

    Secondly, there’s also the fact that it’s pretty much impossible to accomplish peacefully, as a “national divorce” has been ruled illegal, unconstitutional, and forbidden in perpetuity. As the late Scalia said, the issue “was settled at Appomattox”. Or read the Texas v. White decision.

    It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union.” It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.

    It doesn’t matter if >90% of us “Red Staters” vote to leave, and >90% of the Lefties also vote for us to go, the Courts say “no”, and any attempt to do so over their objection is the same as the previous attempt at separation: illegitimate, and an insurrection to be supressed by force of arms (again, guaranteeing there will be violence in the separation even if majorities of the population approve). Because once you’re in, you’re in forever, period.

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    Constitutional amendment.
    , @The True and Original David
    Ozymandias believed in perpetuity.

    When the "all-powerful" government collapses, perpetuity has a stop. Hard for Boomers to imagine or believe, but that's what makes them Boomers.

    "Amurrica, f*ck yeah!" will sound awfully hollow sooner than Boomers suspect. But no matter. They will continue listening to their Beatles albums and LARPing Lincoln to the end of the chapter.

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  100. Pat Boyle says:
    @Thomas

    This ought to be reminiscent of the assassination of Dutch immigration restrictionist leader Pim Fortuyn by a pro-immigration white leftist in 2002, the day after the end of the Two-Weeks Hate against French presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen, a murder that was broadly greeted by voices of respectability implying that the dead candidate had it coming.
     
    There's already been many reminders of Scalise supposedly speaking at some David Duke-organized event. https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/875063680844656640

    Honestly though, it seems mostly as though "the Resistance" isn't going to have the courage of its convictions to applaud this result of its rhetoric.

    I like Steve live in California. We are not allowed by the ruling Democrats to have concealed carry firearms. But a concealed carry pistol is nothing but a small handgun.

    Yesterday my reaction to the shooting of the Republican legislators was to start shopping for a concealable little pistol. Yesterday the news organizations constantly ran the story that if the Democrat assassin had not been thwarted by the security detail that was attached to Scalise as a congressional officer, then he probably would have killed many, many Republicans.

    That’s undoubtedly true, but if it was also true if just a couple of the congressmen or their staff had had a pocket pistol they could have protected themselves.

    You can get a Bersa Thunder for example for about $250. A Glock or Sig is about twice that. These are probably too small to be a home protection pistol but a full size semi-automatic pistol makes a bulge when worn under your baseball uniform.

    There are cheaper pistols than the Thunder but it’s reliable and accurate. You don’t really need to carry anything bigger. The cops will be on their way in most urban settings at the sound of the first shots. All you need is something to keep the bad guy at bay for ten minutes. You don’t really even need to be able to hit the bad guy.

    One of the congressmen said on TV yesterday that they were being ‘herded’ into the dugout. If the gunman wasn’t held back he might have had a dozen Republicans cowering with nothing but baseball bats waiting to be executed. But if one had had the foresight to carry any kind of little gun the legislators would have been able to keep the assassin away until the cops arrived. It would be exciting but not very dangerous.

    I imagine that there are some other Republicans considering these matters this morning.

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    You only have 5-10 shots with one of those. You'd need some extra mags (at the very least) to hold back a guy with 300 rounds and an assault rifle.
    , @Bill P
    Ordinarily I'd say that a bersa thunder is no match for an AR15. You'd be lucky to incapacitate someone from fifty yards with a little gun like that, whereas at that distance a guy with an AR could easily pick people off at a rapid pace.

    HOWEVER, there's something to be said for fighting back, even if you're outgunned. Even a small pistol greatly complicates matters for a would be mass murderer. Instead of picking off terrified victims at his convenience, now he has to worry about getting hit himself. This makes his task an order of magnitude more difficult, and will almost certainly lower his victim count.

    So by all means, get one of those. Although you might prefer the more stylish Walther PPK, which the Bersa Thunder is modeled on.
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  101. Bleuteaux says:
    @David Davenport
    ... the shooter looks like a pretty stock, highly suggestible loser-nut, self-selected for self-righteousness ...

    How did this loser Democrat know that Congress ppl. would be at that location early on Tuesday, 6/14/17?

    Was the early morning ball practice widely reported in the local media?

    Or did someone or some Internet source steer the shooter to this particular ball field on the morning of 14 June?

    This is, clearly, what happened. This guy staked out the scene for two months. This was as planned an assassination as anything that’s happened in American political history.

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  102. @AM
    I've always been for gun rights...but getting around to owning them ourselves has been an issue. Kids, the mortgage, and eating always came first.

    Guns and ammo are expensive. I know one single Mom who ended buying the smallest gun she could simply on economics of the thing.

    It baffles me how that never comes up, the cost angle. It turns out everybody will not have a gun if you loosen gun regs because you either need to prioritize their purchase or be wealthy or both. I sometimes wonder if the Brits have banned guns just because it's cheaper, LOL.

    You are right, of course, that gun ownership and training can require more spending than some people realize.

    But it is not generally plausible that most or even many nongunowning households in the USA don’t buy guns and ammo because they truly can’t afford it while still buying food, paying mortgage or rent, etc.

    How much does the average non-gun owning household in the USA spend on TV each month? Starbucks? Tobacco? Alcohol? Marijuana? Lottery tickets? And yes, respectable middle class families very, very often have members who regularly spend substantial sums on several of those things.

    Forgoing some such luxuries and vices for a year, at most, easily provides enough money to buy a couple guns and plentiful ammunition, pay for basic gun safety / self-defense lessons, buy a gun safe, and cover membership for two people at a gun range.

    They “can’t afford” to equip and train themselves with firearms to save their families and neighbors, but they CAN afford hundreds of dollars per month to get buzzed in various ways and vegetate in front of a tv screen? Great priorities.

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    I agree with so much in your comment. Lots of people just waste money.

    But we're a income household that camps quite often for vacation. We just got rid of our 99 Impreza Subaru. We're maybe just now getting to the point where I'd feel everything is covered enough to think about firearms.

    There are people out there like us for whom we just look at the prices of all the stuff and have a hardy chuckle.
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  103. @EriK
    It's baseball dummy. That's important.

    I think both the Wall and baseball are pretty darn important ;)

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    @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.

    Thanks for saying this. There’s been so much praise of their actions. Do you think that if the two guards were Blackwater mercs this would’ve lasted 10 minutes?? I’ve worked with federal protective details, including Capitol PD. I always tell family members that I’d rather be protected by Blackwater guys than an federal protective detail, including Secret Service. I’m sure you could pick a protective detail A-team, made up of special agents like Dan Bongino, Jonathan Gilliam, etc., but that’s not how it works. You’re gonna be stuck with a lot of dudes. Some female who went on USAJobs after not getting a good job with her education degree from Virginia Tech.

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  105. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    “I am Vinz, Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer…Volguus Zildrohoar, Lord of the Seboullia. are you the Gatekeeper?”

    “You will perish in flame! Soon as I find the Gatekeeper.”

    “Gozer the Traveller, he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants they chose a new form for him… that of a Giant Sloar! many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you.”

    - Leonard Pitts

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  106. Yak-15 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I like Steve live in California. We are not allowed by the ruling Democrats to have concealed carry firearms. But a concealed carry pistol is nothing but a small handgun.

    Yesterday my reaction to the shooting of the Republican legislators was to start shopping for a concealable little pistol. Yesterday the news organizations constantly ran the story that if the Democrat assassin had not been thwarted by the security detail that was attached to Scalise as a congressional officer, then he probably would have killed many, many Republicans.

    That's undoubtedly true, but if it was also true if just a couple of the congressmen or their staff had had a pocket pistol they could have protected themselves.

    You can get a Bersa Thunder for example for about $250. A Glock or Sig is about twice that. These are probably too small to be a home protection pistol but a full size semi-automatic pistol makes a bulge when worn under your baseball uniform.

    There are cheaper pistols than the Thunder but it's reliable and accurate. You don't really need to carry anything bigger. The cops will be on their way in most urban settings at the sound of the first shots. All you need is something to keep the bad guy at bay for ten minutes. You don't really even need to be able to hit the bad guy.

    One of the congressmen said on TV yesterday that they were being 'herded' into the dugout. If the gunman wasn't held back he might have had a dozen Republicans cowering with nothing but baseball bats waiting to be executed. But if one had had the foresight to carry any kind of little gun the legislators would have been able to keep the assassin away until the cops arrived. It would be exciting but not very dangerous.

    I imagine that there are some other Republicans considering these matters this morning.

    You only have 5-10 shots with one of those. You’d need some extra mags (at the very least) to hold back a guy with 300 rounds and an assault rifle.

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    I think you are missing the point. You should not be trying to win a firefight. You are not looking to match his firepower. You just want a few extra minutes for the swat team or some other police group to arrive and settle the matter.

    I used to live in Alexandria. It is not the Kansas plains in the nineteenth century. And this over ardent Democrat is not a pack of bloodthirsty Indians. He wasn't a very good assassin as it happened. All that would be needed to deter him from executing you from point blank range would be any sort of gun. A two shot .22 derringer would be better than what they had - baseball bats.
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  107. CJ says:
    @The True and Original David
    The loon who shot Giffords had nothing to do with the political right. He is not a member of the set "every one of the right-wingers who did violence" nor of the set "(right-wing) lone wolves."

    Loughner wounded Giffords, but shot and killed Judge John Roll, a conservative Republican, whose death has gone down the memory hole as far as the legacy media are concerned.

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    I remember at the time thinking that this was the real lede of the story and they buried it. Down the memory hole is right.

    And wasn't there at least one other fatality?

    But all we heard was Gabby, Gabby, Gabby.

    Gabby Our Democrat Hero.

    Is there an HBD angle on this, or does America simply love a winner?
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  108. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I recommend people go over to Twitter and check out the deafening silence in the Twitter feeds of our technocratic elite. Jeet Heer's is especially odious, as is David Frum's. I guess they've spent enough time around Canadians to know how to smother difficult truths through the use of weaponized boredom.

    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note. Heer’s main specialty is literary and art criticism of comic books. Frum is a lapsed lawyer. (One who never practiced beyond summer clerking). See Thomas Sowell: the Anointed mistake intelligence for expertise and articulateness with intelligence. What these guys know how to do is turn in copy on time and sound like they know what they’re talking about.

    I suspect most of the people affiliated with the Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose, nothing that’s happened in Alexandria appears to have piqued their interest.

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    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note.

    Neither Frum nor Heer are competent or helpful technocrats but they're nevertheless the technocrats we've got. We live in a degenerated technocracy and they're our degenerated and degenerate technocrats.

    What other term could be used to describe our current regimes in the West and what other claim to authority do people like Frum or Heer have? Are they warlords or clan leaders in a tribal society or noblemen in a monarchy? Are they high priests in a theocracy? No, they're the recognized political experts with the knowledge and skills -- the techne -- that gets them a place at the table. That's why Morrissey, a pop musician from Manchester was told in no uncertain terms by Anne Applebaum to step aside and let the experts handle things after the massacre at a Manchester pop concert. He is a free born, property owning, native born White man over 21 and living in a parliamentary democracy but it was none of his business. He lacked the necessary technical knowledge people like Frum, Heer and Applebaum possess.

    The fact that these people are horrible, malicious, incompetent and corrupt technocrats doesn't mean they're not the ones invited into the circles of power to give their professional advice. Just because they're the technocratic equivalent of a doctor who recommends a patient suffering from epilepsy has a hole drilled into his skull to let out the evil spirits doesn't mean they're not the technocrats we've got.

    Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose ...

    I'm unfamiliar with the Mercatus Center and Dr. Groseclose and I follow current events quite closely. If they're not globalists lending their expertise to the physician assisted suicide of the West, they're probably starved of both funding and media attention. That's likely why I've never heard of them.
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  109. Lagertha says:
    @dr kill
    There are no good Democrats. There are few good Republicans. Very few.

    sigh…you are correct.

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  110. Bill P says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I like Steve live in California. We are not allowed by the ruling Democrats to have concealed carry firearms. But a concealed carry pistol is nothing but a small handgun.

    Yesterday my reaction to the shooting of the Republican legislators was to start shopping for a concealable little pistol. Yesterday the news organizations constantly ran the story that if the Democrat assassin had not been thwarted by the security detail that was attached to Scalise as a congressional officer, then he probably would have killed many, many Republicans.

    That's undoubtedly true, but if it was also true if just a couple of the congressmen or their staff had had a pocket pistol they could have protected themselves.

    You can get a Bersa Thunder for example for about $250. A Glock or Sig is about twice that. These are probably too small to be a home protection pistol but a full size semi-automatic pistol makes a bulge when worn under your baseball uniform.

    There are cheaper pistols than the Thunder but it's reliable and accurate. You don't really need to carry anything bigger. The cops will be on their way in most urban settings at the sound of the first shots. All you need is something to keep the bad guy at bay for ten minutes. You don't really even need to be able to hit the bad guy.

    One of the congressmen said on TV yesterday that they were being 'herded' into the dugout. If the gunman wasn't held back he might have had a dozen Republicans cowering with nothing but baseball bats waiting to be executed. But if one had had the foresight to carry any kind of little gun the legislators would have been able to keep the assassin away until the cops arrived. It would be exciting but not very dangerous.

    I imagine that there are some other Republicans considering these matters this morning.

    Ordinarily I’d say that a bersa thunder is no match for an AR15. You’d be lucky to incapacitate someone from fifty yards with a little gun like that, whereas at that distance a guy with an AR could easily pick people off at a rapid pace.

    HOWEVER, there’s something to be said for fighting back, even if you’re outgunned. Even a small pistol greatly complicates matters for a would be mass murderer. Instead of picking off terrified victims at his convenience, now he has to worry about getting hit himself. This makes his task an order of magnitude more difficult, and will almost certainly lower his victim count.

    So by all means, get one of those. Although you might prefer the more stylish Walther PPK, which the Bersa Thunder is modeled on.

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    I ran off a ninja who was trying to break into my apartment once. He was probably a 'fake' ninja but he was dressed up in the whole outfit and he was trying to come through my bedroom window. I pulled out the little .32 revolver that I bought for my wife (I traveled a lot at the time) and brandished it while yelling my defiance. He skedaddled up the wall into the nest yard.

    So my experience is that in an emergency the bad guys are not that eager to confront a prospective victim if he is armed - no matter what the firearm.

    That was on Russian Hill (a good neighborhood) in San Francisco. It was the second time I had used that little pistol. There was a would-be sniper about a year earlier. The Swat team came that time.
    , @International Jew
    Am I correct in noticing that if you search for a gun on Google, and you select the "Shopping" category (along the top, you know: All, Images, Shopping, News...) they don't show you any ads for actual guns? They show you ads for holsters and gun replicas at most.
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  111. @Lugash
    using a rifle to shower the field with bullets that struck four people, including Steve Scalise, the majority whip of the House of Representatives. …

    Yep, his real target was the baseball field. It was just a tragic set of coincidences that those 5 people got shot.

    Magic dirt on that field

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  112. The Republican Party plan to attack the corporate media in the mid-term elections will work. But it might not work to the advantage of the Republican Party donors who fund it.

    The political violence directed towards the Republican Party functionaries at a baseball field in Virginia has been sufficiently burned into the memory of potential Republican Party voters. These memories of a media-induced attack by a Bernie Sanders supporter who detests President Trump can be tapped into on the campaign trail.

    The message will be simple: The Democrats stand for disorder and criminal violence. The Democrats and their corporate media collaborators will bring Black Lives Matter mobs and Black Clad rioters to power in America. Vote for the Republican Party to defend America against the unhinged and disordered Democrats.

    The Republican Party will maintain control of the US House of Representatives with that message. The task for patriots is to primary the donor-controlled stooges in the Republican Party. A nationwide Cantorization project is hopefully underway.

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  113. Lagertha says:
    @Rod1963
    The Left is celebrating this.

    You miss one thing about the Democrats. They see the GOP/conservatives as scum. The MSM has been demonizing us 7x24 for almost a year and whipped the left into hysteria.

    Go watch Tucker Carson when he interviews mainstream Dems, they are unhinged and even threatening to him. You'd swear he was interviewing people loaded on bath salts.

    In 48 hours the Democratic party will go back to demonizing Trump and everyone associated with him. Trump even now is being blamed for the attack.

    And this shooting won't be the last. Next time they'll chose a softer target.

    well, I was thinking more about my nice, white, lady, liberal friends who feel mortified that this has happened. So many are worried about their reputations now, since they have gone on and on about how horrible Trump is – they were startled already, by Kathy’s decapitation stunt. So, I see a change in that many suburban dwellers do not want to be painted as haters. Hating comes with a price. I have distanced myself from so many angry, irrational liberals who should be concentrating on practical day-to-day matters, not urging for a different, nonsensical protest every month.

    And, people (Boomers) are leaving my state in droves bc they are fed up with all the liberals who have ruined the govt of this state, the future economy of this state.

    And, yes, I adore Tucker…he went to college in my state, and he unmasks (slays) all kinds of liberal haters and weirdos every night – I watch it with morbid fascination! Some of these people are such pathetic and vile human beings – it’s better than RHWs of NYC.

    Oh…and you’re correct about future shootings. Irony: my relative was murdered by a “black market” gun (in Europe) for no reason at all – guy got mad at him for some slight. Gun control is impossible in Europe, even the strict countries. When the EU formed, all the underground lawless mobs streamed into each country to stake out territory: sell guns, drugs, booze & cigarettes, human trafficking, pirated CD’s, DVD’s. There is more organized crime in Northern Europe than ever before…so, there will always be guns in the USA.

    Mental cases (or, people with an abnormal brain like Lanza) are impossible to stop. But, people who want to get a gun will always be able to since the “black market” is everywhere now. It’s just like the opioid problem…people are making money selling stuff secretly.

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  114. @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    Leonard Pitts, TeSneezy Jenius, Cornell West…black black blackety black…if you’ve read one you’ve read them all.

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  115. @Kevin C.

    Separate nations.
     
    Except there aren't much in the way of strong geographical lines between the two sides, except urban vs. rural.

    Secondly, there's also the fact that it's pretty much impossible to accomplish peacefully, as a "national divorce" has been ruled illegal, unconstitutional, and forbidden in perpetuity. As the late Scalia said, the issue "was settled at Appomattox". Or read the Texas v. White decision.

    It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
     

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.
     
    It doesn't matter if >90% of us "Red Staters" vote to leave, and >90% of the Lefties also vote for us to go, the Courts say "no", and any attempt to do so over their objection is the same as the previous attempt at separation: illegitimate, and an insurrection to be supressed by force of arms (again, guaranteeing there will be violence in the separation even if majorities of the population approve). Because once you're in, you're in forever, period.

    Constitutional amendment.

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    Well, first, there's the difficulty of getting a constitutional amendment through, though, yes, in the >90% scenario, it would be doable. However, even then, there's always the possiblity our Supreme Court could take a page from their Indian counterparts with the "basic structure doctrine", which holds that certain "basic features" of the Constitution of India cannot be altered through amendment:

    Key among these "basic features", are the fundamental rights granted to individuals by the constitution. The doctrine thus forms the basis of a limited power of the Supreme Court to review and strike down constitutional amendments enacted by the Parliament which conflict with or seek to alter this "basic structure" of the Constitution.
     
    And who gets to decide what constitutes part of that unamendable "basic structure"? Why, the Supreme Court:

    The basic features of the Constitution have not been explicitly defined by the Judiciary, and the claim of any particular feature of the Constitution to be a "basic" feature is determined by the Court in each case that comes before it.
     
    Can you not see our Supremes emulating this? What with the Preamble to the Constitution listing as the first of the purposes of said Constitution being "to form a more perfect Union", and the Texas v. White argument that indissolubility is part of that "more perfect", could they not reason that an amendment to allow separation from the Union would be counter to that fundamental purpose, and thus an unconstitutional use of the amendment power.

    Plus, I am somewhat skeptical as to getting the Left to let us go. After all, letting us go our own way means leaving us to practice our "deplorable" ways, and they're not the sort to do that. Why allow us the freedom to keep on as we are, when they can instead try to force us to behave as they want us to? Why not keep trying to crush us?
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  116. AM says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You are right, of course, that gun ownership and training can require more spending than some people realize.

    But it is not generally plausible that most or even many nongunowning households in the USA don't buy guns and ammo because they truly can't afford it while still buying food, paying mortgage or rent, etc.

    How much does the average non-gun owning household in the USA spend on TV each month? Starbucks? Tobacco? Alcohol? Marijuana? Lottery tickets? And yes, respectable middle class families very, very often have members who regularly spend substantial sums on several of those things.

    Forgoing some such luxuries and vices for a year, at most, easily provides enough money to buy a couple guns and plentiful ammunition, pay for basic gun safety / self-defense lessons, buy a gun safe, and cover membership for two people at a gun range.

    They "can't afford" to equip and train themselves with firearms to save their families and neighbors, but they CAN afford hundreds of dollars per month to get buzzed in various ways and vegetate in front of a tv screen? Great priorities.

    I agree with so much in your comment. Lots of people just waste money.

    But we’re a income household that camps quite often for vacation. We just got rid of our 99 Impreza Subaru. We’re maybe just now getting to the point where I’d feel everything is covered enough to think about firearms.

    There are people out there like us for whom we just look at the prices of all the stuff and have a hardy chuckle.

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  117. @Dr. X

    Apparently he never really shot his gun before. He believed liberal propaganda that AR-15s are death ray memes.
     
    I don't know what he had -- one report was that it was an AK, but I don't know if that was accurate. In any case it's plain that the guy (thankfully) couldn't shoot. Not trying to sound morbid or freaky here, but if you've got a bunch of unarmed people on a baseball diamond only a few yards away and you want to kill them all and you fire dozens of shots and don't kill any, you have no tactical skills.

    I wonder if the guy was even using the sights? The Arab jihadis don't. In all of the jihadi combat videos I've ever seen, none of them use the freaking sights, they just hip fire. No wonder they use IEDs, they can't hit anything with a rifle.

    A guy with experience in the Sandbox attributed that to Islamic fatalism. “If Allah wills it” the shooter will hit his target. If not — kismet.

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  118. @fish
    "I am Vinz, Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer...Volguus Zildrohoar, Lord of the Seboullia. are you the Gatekeeper?"

    "You will perish in flame! Soon as I find the Gatekeeper."

    "Gozer the Traveller, he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants they chose a new form for him... that of a Giant Sloar! many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you."


    - Leonard Pitts

    You owe me a new keyboard!

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  119. Olorin says:
    @anonn
    OK, we on the left will own this violent loon, just as soon as you on the right own your violent loons, Tim McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Gabby Giffords' would-be assassin, etc.

    I would imagine the right's violent loons kill a hundred times the left's violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.

    I would like to know why all of these NRA-owned gun fetishists didn't have their own machine guns out and ready. They had to wait for a policeman to rescue them. Statist scum!

    Hm…I’ll grade you 6/10 on trolling. In the future try going a little lighter on the Bingo words. It’ll seem less cartoonish.

    “Weed,” by which I presume you mean “marijuana” and not, say, oleander, jimson, or Japanese maple, was introduced into cities of the NE to pacify the Negro population (so I was told by NE Negroes in my home town, mostly AME and NoI).

    Gee, that went well in terms of reducing violence!

    Not sure what you mean by a “machine gun.” Probably about what the News Drones mean by that and “Glock.”

    The bit about “fetishists” is useful for revealing your psychosexual power object:

    NRA members.

    Hey, I don’t mind being on the mental pedestals of the left…just kindly describe my tools accurately, OK? We H. faber types like precision.

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  120. @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.

    >And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.

    Understatement

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  121. Pat Boyle says:
    @Yak-15
    You only have 5-10 shots with one of those. You'd need some extra mags (at the very least) to hold back a guy with 300 rounds and an assault rifle.

    I think you are missing the point. You should not be trying to win a firefight. You are not looking to match his firepower. You just want a few extra minutes for the swat team or some other police group to arrive and settle the matter.

    I used to live in Alexandria. It is not the Kansas plains in the nineteenth century. And this over ardent Democrat is not a pack of bloodthirsty Indians. He wasn’t a very good assassin as it happened. All that would be needed to deter him from executing you from point blank range would be any sort of gun. A two shot .22 derringer would be better than what they had – baseball bats.

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  122. Kevin C. says:
    @RonaldB
    "President Trump must dismantle the corporate media."

    It's dangerous to dismantle media based on the content. You might do it now, but once you set the precedent, the left is SO much more effective and determined in shutting down publications.

    Of course, most of the MSM is much more entertainment than real news, and leftist propaganda to boot. But the correct response is more freedom, not less. In the US, the internet provides real journalism and real analysis, available to anyone who wishes to read it. Any moves to censor based on content would be FAR more likely to shut off the flow of real information, rather than to improve the quality of broadcast news.

    There are steps to lessen the impact of political street thugs and lone wolves. Allow every citizen without a criminal conviction to carry a weapon. Once a nut begins shooting, he can be certain of a lethal response. He may be able to get one or two, but you won't have the situation of a crowd of sitting ducks under fire.

    Another action to lessen random street violence is to make it a felony, and enforce it, to wear an identity-concealing mask on a public street, unless you're under 15 and it's Halloween season. Reading an account of the Berkeley clashes, event the MSM noted that the opposing sides were raucous but peaceful until antifa showed up. Antifa, of course, uses masks to conceal their felonies. It would do much to dampen violence if masked street thugs were immediately arrested and charged with a felony. And they could sprout as much Trump hatred as they wanted.

    Another action to lessen random street violence is to make it a felony, and enforce it, to wear an identity-concealing mask on a public street, unless you’re under 15 and it’s Halloween season.

    The part I bolded is the key. The question is how? Because it looks like the people who get to decide what is enforced and what isn’t look to generally be on the side of the mask-wearers.

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  123. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Art Deco
    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note. Heer's main specialty is literary and art criticism of comic books. Frum is a lapsed lawyer. (One who never practiced beyond summer clerking). See Thomas Sowell: the Anointed mistake intelligence for expertise and articulateness with intelligence. What these guys know how to do is turn in copy on time and sound like they know what they're talking about.

    I suspect most of the people affiliated with the Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose, nothing that's happened in Alexandria appears to have piqued their interest.

    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note.

    Neither Frum nor Heer are competent or helpful technocrats but they’re nevertheless the technocrats we’ve got. We live in a degenerated technocracy and they’re our degenerated and degenerate technocrats.

    What other term could be used to describe our current regimes in the West and what other claim to authority do people like Frum or Heer have? Are they warlords or clan leaders in a tribal society or noblemen in a monarchy? Are they high priests in a theocracy? No, they’re the recognized political experts with the knowledge and skills — the techne — that gets them a place at the table. That’s why Morrissey, a pop musician from Manchester was told in no uncertain terms by Anne Applebaum to step aside and let the experts handle things after the massacre at a Manchester pop concert. He is a free born, property owning, native born White man over 21 and living in a parliamentary democracy but it was none of his business. He lacked the necessary technical knowledge people like Frum, Heer and Applebaum possess.

    The fact that these people are horrible, malicious, incompetent and corrupt technocrats doesn’t mean they’re not the ones invited into the circles of power to give their professional advice. Just because they’re the technocratic equivalent of a doctor who recommends a patient suffering from epilepsy has a hole drilled into his skull to let out the evil spirits doesn’t mean they’re not the technocrats we’ve got.

    Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose …

    I’m unfamiliar with the Mercatus Center and Dr. Groseclose and I follow current events quite closely. If they’re not globalists lending their expertise to the physician assisted suicide of the West, they’re probably starved of both funding and media attention. That’s likely why I’ve never heard of them.

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    The Mercatus Center is a libertarian subsidiary of George Mason University. I think most of it's 'scholars' are in residence, but at least one I can name lives in Boston. They are technocrats because they're the sort of people office-holders might consult in making public policy. Frum and Heer are opinion journalists who might write something that piques the interest of a Congressional aide or elected official. They're not someone anyone would consult for purposes of policy formulation. Frum used to mix with technocrats (until the director of AEI got fed up with his absenteeism and canned him), but he is not one himself.

    And the problem we have is almost certainly not 'technocrats' as purveyors of a specific body of knowledge, but rather people like Tyler Cowen (or Frum or Heer) as generic members of the professional-managerial class, coastal cities division. For that crew, ordinary wage-earners are just pairs of hands. They identify with people of their own class living abroad, not with vernacular Americans. The Mercatus Center crew are better exemplars of this than Wm. Kristol and his social circle (on which people here tend to waste a great deal of air).
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  124. Pat Boyle says:
    @Bill P
    Ordinarily I'd say that a bersa thunder is no match for an AR15. You'd be lucky to incapacitate someone from fifty yards with a little gun like that, whereas at that distance a guy with an AR could easily pick people off at a rapid pace.

    HOWEVER, there's something to be said for fighting back, even if you're outgunned. Even a small pistol greatly complicates matters for a would be mass murderer. Instead of picking off terrified victims at his convenience, now he has to worry about getting hit himself. This makes his task an order of magnitude more difficult, and will almost certainly lower his victim count.

    So by all means, get one of those. Although you might prefer the more stylish Walther PPK, which the Bersa Thunder is modeled on.

    I ran off a ninja who was trying to break into my apartment once. He was probably a ‘fake’ ninja but he was dressed up in the whole outfit and he was trying to come through my bedroom window. I pulled out the little .32 revolver that I bought for my wife (I traveled a lot at the time) and brandished it while yelling my defiance. He skedaddled up the wall into the nest yard.

    So my experience is that in an emergency the bad guys are not that eager to confront a prospective victim if he is armed – no matter what the firearm.

    That was on Russian Hill (a good neighborhood) in San Francisco. It was the second time I had used that little pistol. There was a would-be sniper about a year earlier. The Swat team came that time.

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    a Newsreader: Gee Pat, is there anything you haven't done?

    Pat Boyle: Yes, several things.
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  125. Kevin C. says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Constitutional amendment.

    Well, first, there’s the difficulty of getting a constitutional amendment through, though, yes, in the >90% scenario, it would be doable. However, even then, there’s always the possiblity our Supreme Court could take a page from their Indian counterparts with the “basic structure doctrine“, which holds that certain “basic features” of the Constitution of India cannot be altered through amendment:

    Key among these “basic features”, are the fundamental rights granted to individuals by the constitution. The doctrine thus forms the basis of a limited power of the Supreme Court to review and strike down constitutional amendments enacted by the Parliament which conflict with or seek to alter this “basic structure” of the Constitution.

    And who gets to decide what constitutes part of that unamendable “basic structure”? Why, the Supreme Court:

    The basic features of the Constitution have not been explicitly defined by the Judiciary, and the claim of any particular feature of the Constitution to be a “basic” feature is determined by the Court in each case that comes before it.

    Can you not see our Supremes emulating this? What with the Preamble to the Constitution listing as the first of the purposes of said Constitution being “to form a more perfect Union”, and the Texas v. White argument that indissolubility is part of that “more perfect”, could they not reason that an amendment to allow separation from the Union would be counter to that fundamental purpose, and thus an unconstitutional use of the amendment power.

    Plus, I am somewhat skeptical as to getting the Left to let us go. After all, letting us go our own way means leaving us to practice our “deplorable” ways, and they’re not the sort to do that. Why allow us the freedom to keep on as we are, when they can instead try to force us to behave as they want us to? Why not keep trying to crush us?

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    As a further follow-up, there's also this 1991 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal article, entitled "Could a Constitutional Amendment Be Unconstitutional?", which answers in the affirmative, in an argument a bit similar to the one I sketched out:

    The Article will conclude that implied substantive limitations on constitutional amendments exist even absent any particular "essence" or overriding spirit that informs the whole Constitution. Neither does this theory of implied substantive limits depend upon excessive devotion to the views of the framers or upon any claim that constitutional interpreters must answer to a "higher" or natural law. Rather, implied limits on the substance of constitutional amendments flow from the inescapable logic of any reasonable view of the basic purposes underlying the Constitution, and from the requirement that a constitution exist as a minimally unified, coherent, functioning document.
     
    , @Desiderius
    It will happen when the alternatives are worse.
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  126. Kevin C. says:
    @Kevin C.
    Well, first, there's the difficulty of getting a constitutional amendment through, though, yes, in the >90% scenario, it would be doable. However, even then, there's always the possiblity our Supreme Court could take a page from their Indian counterparts with the "basic structure doctrine", which holds that certain "basic features" of the Constitution of India cannot be altered through amendment:

    Key among these "basic features", are the fundamental rights granted to individuals by the constitution. The doctrine thus forms the basis of a limited power of the Supreme Court to review and strike down constitutional amendments enacted by the Parliament which conflict with or seek to alter this "basic structure" of the Constitution.
     
    And who gets to decide what constitutes part of that unamendable "basic structure"? Why, the Supreme Court:

    The basic features of the Constitution have not been explicitly defined by the Judiciary, and the claim of any particular feature of the Constitution to be a "basic" feature is determined by the Court in each case that comes before it.
     
    Can you not see our Supremes emulating this? What with the Preamble to the Constitution listing as the first of the purposes of said Constitution being "to form a more perfect Union", and the Texas v. White argument that indissolubility is part of that "more perfect", could they not reason that an amendment to allow separation from the Union would be counter to that fundamental purpose, and thus an unconstitutional use of the amendment power.

    Plus, I am somewhat skeptical as to getting the Left to let us go. After all, letting us go our own way means leaving us to practice our "deplorable" ways, and they're not the sort to do that. Why allow us the freedom to keep on as we are, when they can instead try to force us to behave as they want us to? Why not keep trying to crush us?

    As a further follow-up, there’s also this 1991 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal article, entitled “Could a Constitutional Amendment Be Unconstitutional?”, which answers in the affirmative, in an argument a bit similar to the one I sketched out:

    The Article will conclude that implied substantive limitations on constitutional amendments exist even absent any particular “essence” or overriding spirit that informs the whole Constitution. Neither does this theory of implied substantive limits depend upon excessive devotion to the views of the framers or upon any claim that constitutional interpreters must answer to a “higher” or natural law. Rather, implied limits on the substance of constitutional amendments flow from the inescapable logic of any reasonable view of the basic purposes underlying the Constitution, and from the requirement that a constitution exist as a minimally unified, coherent, functioning document.

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  127. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.
     
    Thanks for your drug-induced dishonesty. The Left has an uninterrupted history of political violence, from the French Revolution until today. And today, sadly, has once again demonstrated your preferred use of illicit violence, which you use to advance your position.

    Your political philosophy is based on dissembling and intimidation. You portray your opponents as villains, marginalizing them through slander and libel, and you embrace murdering the innocent, and then you congratulate yourself for the effectiveness of your campaign of ruthless viciousness.

    When your time comes, remember that you chose this path. And the reckoning visited upon you won't be accidental. You demanded it.

    The Left has an uninterrupted history of political violence, from the French Revolution until today.

    It goes back much further than that:

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/how-could-lucifer-an-archangel-have-rebelled-against-god

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  128. Tex says:
    @Veracitor
    Probably the attacker was a Republican, really. He was an angry aging white man, no doubt a racist, a nutcase like all of Trump's supporters. Republican attempts to smear Bernie Sanders by associating this guy with Bernie just show how hypocritical Republicans are. Everybody knows that all the crazies who shoot at politicians are right-wing Republican NRA KKK types like Beltway snipers John Allen Muhammed and Lee Malvo, Jared Loughner, Squeaky Fromme, et alia ad infinitum.

    Or if this guy wasn't a Republican it will turn out that he had a righteous grievance same as Omar Thornton, and like John Kerry always says, you can understand how he had a rationale for the somewhat-overdone heroism of his actions.

    It wasn’t until you got to the John Mohammed part that I realized this was sarcasm. Well done.

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  129. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous
    Sic semper tyrannis.

    You are beneath contempt.

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  130. @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.

    The shooter used an AK-47, a long gun* with a good amount of punch, and a 30-round magazine, from behind cover, and had plenty of ammo whereas the security people were exposed and probably spent some of that time looking for cover and/or a good location for returning fire without being perforated. Unless he stood up and started advancing like Rambo, it’s hard to see how they could have taken him out in less than 10 minutes. Security people aren’t disposable drones, and this was an ambush that turned into a firefight, not a duel over honor between gentlemen (in which both sides are standing up out in the open and fire until one goes down).

    * The significance of this is that his shots were more likely to be accurate at a given range, even without much training, and would certainly do more damage than the average pistol shot if they were on target. For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block. The security people presumably understood this, and gave his weapon the amount of respect it deserved, i.e. by being more cautious. Here’s a video that shows up the ridiculousness of action scenes where the characters are shooting at each other with rifles and ducking behind sheetrock walls:

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    , @Desiderius
    SKS, not AK-47.
    , @International Jew

    For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block.
     
    Heh heh, I'd enjoy performing that experiment but I have to practice at public ranges, and they frown on anything other than paper targets!

    Ok, maybe it was unfair of me to judge Scalise's security without having been there. They both ended up wounded; if that happened from the get-go, that changes everything.

    Still, ten minutes? Surely they had radios. Why didn't reinforcements show up sooner?

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  131. Hibernian says:
    @Rod1963
    Don't really care about Scalise - the guy is no friend of conservative whites.

    That said, we should be worried given the response from the Left rank and file on this. They liked it and essentially blamed Trump for it. Even Juan Williams on FoxNews did.

    F**king lunatics. They are jonesing for a civil war.

    Worry about what comes next, they may target some MAGA type whites holding protest or meeting. They would be a much easier target.

    The scary fact is if this lunatic was a better shot and positioned himself better before he started shooting he could have decimated the GOP leadership in one fell swoop. This, people involved in security know this and it scares them.

    “Don’t really care about Scalise – the guy is no friend of conservative whites.”

    Get a clue; the guy is still in the hospital, and not out of the woods yet.

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  132. @International Jew
    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I'd say Scalise's security was incompetent.

    Not sure why the view did not show up, but here goes:

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  133. @Johann Ricke

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.
     
    The shooter used an AK-47, a long gun* with a good amount of punch, and a 30-round magazine, from behind cover, and had plenty of ammo whereas the security people were exposed and probably spent some of that time looking for cover and/or a good location for returning fire without being perforated. Unless he stood up and started advancing like Rambo, it's hard to see how they could have taken him out in less than 10 minutes. Security people aren't disposable drones, and this was an ambush that turned into a firefight, not a duel over honor between gentlemen (in which both sides are standing up out in the open and fire until one goes down).

    * The significance of this is that his shots were more likely to be accurate at a given range, even without much training, and would certainly do more damage than the average pistol shot if they were on target. For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block. The security people presumably understood this, and gave his weapon the amount of respect it deserved, i.e. by being more cautious. Here's a video that shows up the ridiculousness of action scenes where the characters are shooting at each other with rifles and ducking behind sheetrock walls:

    I don’t know what this guy did, but it would be pretty easy to take a long gun to a baseball field without anybody noticing anything suspicious until you pull it out because lots of amateur ballplayers bring duffel bags in which they carry their baseball bats.

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  134. dcite says:

    Scalise had just released a video about getting pedophiles. Trump has spoken about the same thing over the years, repeatedly. This is at the base of it; Liz Crokin has done some incredible and brave journalism on this and similar subjects (mostly involving the Clintons) and of course can’t get regular job now with any MSM outlet.

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    When one studies the barbaric norms of Semitic tribesmen past and present, including homo- and hetero- child rape, and understands how Orientalized Western society has truly become, it is not totally incomprehensible how human trafficking might be spreading as a norm throughout the West's political power structures.

    Finger-pointing at the Catholic pedos may have been an instinctive or even conscious distraction from a bigger story.

    The elites' recoiling from considering such a possibility is not entirely blameworthy. Witch hunts conducted around this explosive topic have led to avoidable harm. Think of the fake child abuse madness which rolled over communities in the USA in late 1980s/early 1990s and destroyed many innocent people's lives (it involved false and suborned testimonies, such as "implanted memories"; mobbing; and baleful stupidity generally).

    It seems that Trump/Sessions may be tackling the problem quietly, i.e., responsibly. If so, more power to them and I hope they nail a lot of bastards.

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  135. @Kevin C.
    Well, first, there's the difficulty of getting a constitutional amendment through, though, yes, in the >90% scenario, it would be doable. However, even then, there's always the possiblity our Supreme Court could take a page from their Indian counterparts with the "basic structure doctrine", which holds that certain "basic features" of the Constitution of India cannot be altered through amendment:

    Key among these "basic features", are the fundamental rights granted to individuals by the constitution. The doctrine thus forms the basis of a limited power of the Supreme Court to review and strike down constitutional amendments enacted by the Parliament which conflict with or seek to alter this "basic structure" of the Constitution.
     
    And who gets to decide what constitutes part of that unamendable "basic structure"? Why, the Supreme Court:

    The basic features of the Constitution have not been explicitly defined by the Judiciary, and the claim of any particular feature of the Constitution to be a "basic" feature is determined by the Court in each case that comes before it.
     
    Can you not see our Supremes emulating this? What with the Preamble to the Constitution listing as the first of the purposes of said Constitution being "to form a more perfect Union", and the Texas v. White argument that indissolubility is part of that "more perfect", could they not reason that an amendment to allow separation from the Union would be counter to that fundamental purpose, and thus an unconstitutional use of the amendment power.

    Plus, I am somewhat skeptical as to getting the Left to let us go. After all, letting us go our own way means leaving us to practice our "deplorable" ways, and they're not the sort to do that. Why allow us the freedom to keep on as we are, when they can instead try to force us to behave as they want us to? Why not keep trying to crush us?

    It will happen when the alternatives are worse.

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  136. @Johann Ricke

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.
     
    The shooter used an AK-47, a long gun* with a good amount of punch, and a 30-round magazine, from behind cover, and had plenty of ammo whereas the security people were exposed and probably spent some of that time looking for cover and/or a good location for returning fire without being perforated. Unless he stood up and started advancing like Rambo, it's hard to see how they could have taken him out in less than 10 minutes. Security people aren't disposable drones, and this was an ambush that turned into a firefight, not a duel over honor between gentlemen (in which both sides are standing up out in the open and fire until one goes down).

    * The significance of this is that his shots were more likely to be accurate at a given range, even without much training, and would certainly do more damage than the average pistol shot if they were on target. For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block. The security people presumably understood this, and gave his weapon the amount of respect it deserved, i.e. by being more cautious. Here's a video that shows up the ridiculousness of action scenes where the characters are shooting at each other with rifles and ducking behind sheetrock walls:

    SKS, not AK-47.

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  137. Kevin C. says:
    @Desiderius
    It will happen when the alternatives are worse.

    Worse for whom?

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  138. SKS, not AK-47.

    Initial reports mentioned an AK-47. Still, an SKS uses the same ammo, which generates the same report and a 30 round magazine is available for it. In the split second after hearing the gun fire and diving for cover, I expect the only thing the security people figured out was that it was a rifle that fired really loud rounds (i.e. not .22 LR), and it wasn’t an Armalite derivative.

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  139. @Bill P
    Ordinarily I'd say that a bersa thunder is no match for an AR15. You'd be lucky to incapacitate someone from fifty yards with a little gun like that, whereas at that distance a guy with an AR could easily pick people off at a rapid pace.

    HOWEVER, there's something to be said for fighting back, even if you're outgunned. Even a small pistol greatly complicates matters for a would be mass murderer. Instead of picking off terrified victims at his convenience, now he has to worry about getting hit himself. This makes his task an order of magnitude more difficult, and will almost certainly lower his victim count.

    So by all means, get one of those. Although you might prefer the more stylish Walther PPK, which the Bersa Thunder is modeled on.

    Am I correct in noticing that if you search for a gun on Google, and you select the “Shopping” category (along the top, you know: All, Images, Shopping, News…) they don’t show you any ads for actual guns? They show you ads for holsters and gun replicas at most.

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  140. Art Deco says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Neither Frum nor Heer are technocrats. Neither have any real expertise in any subject of note.

    Neither Frum nor Heer are competent or helpful technocrats but they're nevertheless the technocrats we've got. We live in a degenerated technocracy and they're our degenerated and degenerate technocrats.

    What other term could be used to describe our current regimes in the West and what other claim to authority do people like Frum or Heer have? Are they warlords or clan leaders in a tribal society or noblemen in a monarchy? Are they high priests in a theocracy? No, they're the recognized political experts with the knowledge and skills -- the techne -- that gets them a place at the table. That's why Morrissey, a pop musician from Manchester was told in no uncertain terms by Anne Applebaum to step aside and let the experts handle things after the massacre at a Manchester pop concert. He is a free born, property owning, native born White man over 21 and living in a parliamentary democracy but it was none of his business. He lacked the necessary technical knowledge people like Frum, Heer and Applebaum possess.

    The fact that these people are horrible, malicious, incompetent and corrupt technocrats doesn't mean they're not the ones invited into the circles of power to give their professional advice. Just because they're the technocratic equivalent of a doctor who recommends a patient suffering from epilepsy has a hole drilled into his skull to let out the evil spirits doesn't mean they're not the technocrats we've got.

    Mercatus Center (who are technocrats of a sort) live within driving distance of that ball field. Bar a Dr. Groseclose ...

    I'm unfamiliar with the Mercatus Center and Dr. Groseclose and I follow current events quite closely. If they're not globalists lending their expertise to the physician assisted suicide of the West, they're probably starved of both funding and media attention. That's likely why I've never heard of them.

    The Mercatus Center is a libertarian subsidiary of George Mason University. I think most of it’s ‘scholars’ are in residence, but at least one I can name lives in Boston. They are technocrats because they’re the sort of people office-holders might consult in making public policy. Frum and Heer are opinion journalists who might write something that piques the interest of a Congressional aide or elected official. They’re not someone anyone would consult for purposes of policy formulation. Frum used to mix with technocrats (until the director of AEI got fed up with his absenteeism and canned him), but he is not one himself.

    And the problem we have is almost certainly not ‘technocrats’ as purveyors of a specific body of knowledge, but rather people like Tyler Cowen (or Frum or Heer) as generic members of the professional-managerial class, coastal cities division. For that crew, ordinary wage-earners are just pairs of hands. They identify with people of their own class living abroad, not with vernacular Americans. The Mercatus Center crew are better exemplars of this than Wm. Kristol and his social circle (on which people here tend to waste a great deal of air).

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  141. @Reg Cæsar

    I would imagine the right’s violent loons kill a hundred times the left’s violent loons, as we on the left smoke a lot more weed.
     
    You might want to compare violent crime rates in GOP and Democratic districts.

    Like most people in his camp, anonn doesn’t want to count blacks. In his mind, a conservative is a fat middle-aged white guy, and a liberal is a white vegan who lives in a college town.

    That’s why he can go on thinking his side is less violent, more cosmopolitan, better educated, etc.

    Blacks are the dark matter of the Democratic party: a force felt more than it’s seen.

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  142. @Johann Ricke

    And yet the shooter was shooting for ten minutes. I’d say Scalise’s security was incompetent.
     
    The shooter used an AK-47, a long gun* with a good amount of punch, and a 30-round magazine, from behind cover, and had plenty of ammo whereas the security people were exposed and probably spent some of that time looking for cover and/or a good location for returning fire without being perforated. Unless he stood up and started advancing like Rambo, it's hard to see how they could have taken him out in less than 10 minutes. Security people aren't disposable drones, and this was an ambush that turned into a firefight, not a duel over honor between gentlemen (in which both sides are standing up out in the open and fire until one goes down).

    * The significance of this is that his shots were more likely to be accurate at a given range, even without much training, and would certainly do more damage than the average pistol shot if they were on target. For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block. The security people presumably understood this, and gave his weapon the amount of respect it deserved, i.e. by being more cautious. Here's a video that shows up the ridiculousness of action scenes where the characters are shooting at each other with rifles and ducking behind sheetrock walls:

    For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block.

    Heh heh, I’d enjoy performing that experiment but I have to practice at public ranges, and they frown on anything other than paper targets!

    Ok, maybe it was unfair of me to judge Scalise’s security without having been there. They both ended up wounded; if that happened from the get-go, that changes everything.

    Still, ten minutes? Surely they had radios. Why didn’t reinforcements show up sooner?

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    Still, ten minutes?
     
    The shooter basically committed suicide, by stepping out from behind cover:

    Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-OH), an Iraq veteran, said that after Hodgkinson fired at them with a rifle, he came out from behind a building with a pistol.
     
    Maybe he planned his attack by watching showbiz depictions of firefights, where many of even the relatively watchable ones tend to attempt to heighten the tension by having the lead characters do really stupid things*. Nonetheless, he managed to plug five people in the face of three trained people returning fire, and that's not bad for an amateur.

    * Perhaps because they've run out of ideas within the time/budget constraints for a given production. Or the writers have no idea about what tactical movements make sense, because they've never thought these things through. Given the number of liberal anti-gun scriptwriters and novelists out there churning out implausibly moronic action-oriented stuff, it's not entirely surprising.

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  143. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    You guys started this with Gabby Gifford so fuck off

    Demographics will doom you

    Poland will take refugees

    Read Leonard Pitts

    “When I was a little boy, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised, the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn’t work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me.”

    - Leonard Pitts

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  144. @CJ
    Loughner wounded Giffords, but shot and killed Judge John Roll, a conservative Republican, whose death has gone down the memory hole as far as the legacy media are concerned.

    I remember at the time thinking that this was the real lede of the story and they buried it. Down the memory hole is right.

    And wasn’t there at least one other fatality?

    But all we heard was Gabby, Gabby, Gabby.

    Gabby Our Democrat Hero.

    Is there an HBD angle on this, or does America simply love a winner?

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  145. @dcite
    Scalise had just released a video about getting pedophiles. Trump has spoken about the same thing over the years, repeatedly. This is at the base of it; Liz Crokin has done some incredible and brave journalism on this and similar subjects (mostly involving the Clintons) and of course can't get regular job now with any MSM outlet.

    When one studies the barbaric norms of Semitic tribesmen past and present, including homo- and hetero- child rape, and understands how Orientalized Western society has truly become, it is not totally incomprehensible how human trafficking might be spreading as a norm throughout the West’s political power structures.

    Finger-pointing at the Catholic pedos may have been an instinctive or even conscious distraction from a bigger story.

    The elites’ recoiling from considering such a possibility is not entirely blameworthy. Witch hunts conducted around this explosive topic have led to avoidable harm. Think of the fake child abuse madness which rolled over communities in the USA in late 1980s/early 1990s and destroyed many innocent people’s lives (it involved false and suborned testimonies, such as “implanted memories”; mobbing; and baleful stupidity generally).

    It seems that Trump/Sessions may be tackling the problem quietly, i.e., responsibly. If so, more power to them and I hope they nail a lot of bastards.

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    An example of what I was talking about:

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/20/texas-couple-exonerated-25-years-after-being-convicted-of-lurid-crimes-that-never-happened/
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  146. @International Jew

    For instance, two shots will take apart a concrete cinder block.
     
    Heh heh, I'd enjoy performing that experiment but I have to practice at public ranges, and they frown on anything other than paper targets!

    Ok, maybe it was unfair of me to judge Scalise's security without having been there. They both ended up wounded; if that happened from the get-go, that changes everything.

    Still, ten minutes? Surely they had radios. Why didn't reinforcements show up sooner?

    Still, ten minutes?

    The shooter basically committed suicide, by stepping out from behind cover:

    Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-OH), an Iraq veteran, said that after Hodgkinson fired at them with a rifle, he came out from behind a building with a pistol.

    Maybe he planned his attack by watching showbiz depictions of firefights, where many of even the relatively watchable ones tend to attempt to heighten the tension by having the lead characters do really stupid things*. Nonetheless, he managed to plug five people in the face of three trained people returning fire, and that’s not bad for an amateur.

    * Perhaps because they’ve run out of ideas within the time/budget constraints for a given production. Or the writers have no idea about what tactical movements make sense, because they’ve never thought these things through. Given the number of liberal anti-gun scriptwriters and novelists out there churning out implausibly moronic action-oriented stuff, it’s not entirely surprising.

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  147. Eagle Eye says:
    @Jack D
    Didn't the Giffords shooter (the closest comparable case) also turn out to be a leftist? (Ditto Oswald?) That's the biggest irony - he was a leftist but it got blamed on the right wing "climate of hate" anyway. Come to think of it, the profile of today's shooter sure seems like a right winger to me - white male gun owner. Are you sure he wasn't really a rightist? C'mon , if you squint hard he's a rightist and you don't have to accept any responsibility for provoking him.

    The “Gifford shooting” is actually a sophisticated PR operation to detract from what really happened: federal judge John Roll and five others were MURDERED in cold blood. The incident should more appropriately be called the Roll massacre.

    Roll was among other things called upon to decide on “civil forfeitures” by government agencies. A ruling against this unconstitutional and rapacious practice would have been a severe setback for the government class.

    Gifford (if she was actually shot) was only a shiny object to detract from the main event, rather like a magician gesticulating with this left hand while the right hand makes the pigeon appear.

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    *Giffords*
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  148. Eagle Eye says:
    @Eagle Eye
    The "Gifford shooting" is actually a sophisticated PR operation to detract from what really happened: federal judge John Roll and five others were MURDERED in cold blood. The incident should more appropriately be called the Roll massacre.

    Roll was among other things called upon to decide on "civil forfeitures" by government agencies. A ruling against this unconstitutional and rapacious practice would have been a severe setback for the government class.

    Gifford (if she was actually shot) was only a shiny object to detract from the main event, rather like a magician gesticulating with this left hand while the right hand makes the pigeon appear.

    *Giffords*

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  149. @Pat Boyle
    I ran off a ninja who was trying to break into my apartment once. He was probably a 'fake' ninja but he was dressed up in the whole outfit and he was trying to come through my bedroom window. I pulled out the little .32 revolver that I bought for my wife (I traveled a lot at the time) and brandished it while yelling my defiance. He skedaddled up the wall into the nest yard.

    So my experience is that in an emergency the bad guys are not that eager to confront a prospective victim if he is armed - no matter what the firearm.

    That was on Russian Hill (a good neighborhood) in San Francisco. It was the second time I had used that little pistol. There was a would-be sniper about a year earlier. The Swat team came that time.

    a Newsreader: Gee Pat, is there anything you haven’t done?

    Pat Boyle: Yes, several things.

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  150. @The True and Original David
    When one studies the barbaric norms of Semitic tribesmen past and present, including homo- and hetero- child rape, and understands how Orientalized Western society has truly become, it is not totally incomprehensible how human trafficking might be spreading as a norm throughout the West's political power structures.

    Finger-pointing at the Catholic pedos may have been an instinctive or even conscious distraction from a bigger story.

    The elites' recoiling from considering such a possibility is not entirely blameworthy. Witch hunts conducted around this explosive topic have led to avoidable harm. Think of the fake child abuse madness which rolled over communities in the USA in late 1980s/early 1990s and destroyed many innocent people's lives (it involved false and suborned testimonies, such as "implanted memories"; mobbing; and baleful stupidity generally).

    It seems that Trump/Sessions may be tackling the problem quietly, i.e., responsibly. If so, more power to them and I hope they nail a lot of bastards.

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  151. @Kevin C.

    Separate nations.
     
    Except there aren't much in the way of strong geographical lines between the two sides, except urban vs. rural.

    Secondly, there's also the fact that it's pretty much impossible to accomplish peacefully, as a "national divorce" has been ruled illegal, unconstitutional, and forbidden in perpetuity. As the late Scalia said, the issue "was settled at Appomattox". Or read the Texas v. White decision.

    It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
     

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.
     
    It doesn't matter if >90% of us "Red Staters" vote to leave, and >90% of the Lefties also vote for us to go, the Courts say "no", and any attempt to do so over their objection is the same as the previous attempt at separation: illegitimate, and an insurrection to be supressed by force of arms (again, guaranteeing there will be violence in the separation even if majorities of the population approve). Because once you're in, you're in forever, period.

    Ozymandias believed in perpetuity.

    When the “all-powerful” government collapses, perpetuity has a stop. Hard for Boomers to imagine or believe, but that’s what makes them Boomers.

    “Amurrica, f*ck yeah!” will sound awfully hollow sooner than Boomers suspect. But no matter. They will continue listening to their Beatles albums and LARPing Lincoln to the end of the chapter.

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