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From Heavy’s write-up of the latest bad guy:

… Bowers was armed with an AR-15 ‘style’ rifle, in addition to multiple handguns. CNN’s Shimon Prokupecz later reported that Bowers had a license to carry a firearm. Since 1996, Bowers has bought six guns. … KDKA has described Bowers as being a “heavy-set white male with a beard.” …

Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups and others who have been kicked off of mainstream social media sites. Bowers went by the moniker One Dingo …

In a post a few days before the shooting, Bowers wrote, “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.” … In another message, Bowers wrote of Trump, “For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat.” Bowers is a registered voter but is unaffiliated. Online records show that Bowers had no criminal record in the state of Pennsylvania.

 
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  1. DFH says:

    It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

  2. Realist says:

    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

  3. The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

  4. IHTG says:

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

  5. dearieme says:

    If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  6. I sense you were struggling for a thread title that didn’t sound ironic….

    ‘Screw the optics, I’m going in’ will inevitably become a macabre meme.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  7. TomInNOLA says:

    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

  8. Lurker says:

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

  9. Jefferson says:

    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.

    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

  10. “….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    , @gate666
  11. It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire. If someone wanted to devote himself to evil, there are effective ways. I won’t mention them, but they exist. I think an ugly turning point will come when people realize this for themselves. But as long as the ridiculous “mass shooting” is the fashionable thing, it won’t happen.

    • Agree: utu
  12. BB753 says:

    It’s an FBI job.

  13. JackOH says:

    The synagogue shooting is awful stuff, and the alleged shooter needs to be vigorously prosecuted.

    I’ve only briefly scanned the political hub-bub attending this shooting and the arrest of that Florida mail bomb suspect a bit earlier. There are the “climate of opinion” folks who assert, more or less, that President Trump, for whom I didn’t vote, is somewhat responsible for these bad acts because his rhetoric somehow empowers these outlier criminal deeds.

    I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Moshe
  14. Carl says:
    @Lurker

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?

    • Agree: Dtbb
  15. Tyrion 2 says:

    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn’t require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you’re right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it’ll bother the idiots who think like him. They’ll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them – the enlightened – at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

  16. Jefferson says:

    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera. You had to be a big shot didn’t ya you had to open up your mouth you had to have a white hot spotlight you had to be a big shot last night.

  17. A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

  18. Edward says:

    Awful attack. In my view, we all need to calm down a bit. The current political atmosphere in the United States isn’t pretty, and it’s getting worse here in Europe too.

  19. @Tyrion 2

    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

  20. Jefferson says:

    The political polarization in this nation reminds me of this scene in Do The Right Thing.

    • Agree: Prester John
  21. Was only a very few hours after the ‘largest massacre of Jews in USA history’, morphed into a snowballing campaign of censorship against all those in the world who might be critical of Jewish power … Unz Review itself may get into the target sights

    Twitter alternative Gab has been instantly shut down, de-platformed, deprived of web hosting services and Paypal payment access, because 1 Gab user is accused of a massacre

    10 days ago, Bowers had re-posted a message from anti-Jewish US politician Patrick Little, who warned:

    I expect a very large false flag attack as one of the final desperate attempts by the jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face of collapsing public trust in (((the media)))

    So the claim is that this guy tweeted about Jewish run false-flags to harm the political right wing, and then somehow a few days later, himself decided to be a synagogue shooter … and grossly harm the political right wing?

    Or did they pick this ‘Robert Bowers’ to be the patsy for killing, enjoying satanic irony in that he himself had just tweeted about expecting a Jewish-run false flag?

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the bris circumcision mutilation of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled … Arguably, circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere … Most people don’t know it kills hundreds of babies each year, and that there is very different sexual sensitivity and sensation when males lose their protective genital cover

    Roger Dommergue (full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, 1924-2013); French Jewish professor, and essayist, known for his writings concerning alternative medicine and his Holocaust denialism tho a Jew surviving the war – Dommergue argued that it was male child genital mutilation, and how it is emphasised in Judaism, that helped give Jews a malicious psychology, as they would forever seek revenge upon the world

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @Anon
  22. Rye says:
    @Lurker

    He was probably genuinely angry and lost control. It happens all the time with Palestinians. In fact I’m beginning to see a lot of parallels between legacy Americans and Palestinians, much of the discourse from that conflict is applicable here. A few more attacks like this will basically constitute an American intifada. I can already picture Israeli security experts arriving in America to advise the Jewish community on how to better manage the restive American population, as well as walls going up around Jewish neighborhoods, complete with security checkpoints for gentiles.

    I am genuinely concerned that my freedom will be increasingly curtailed as collective punishment for these sorts of terrorist attacks. We need a two state solution.

    • Replies: @anon
  23. Ron Unz says:

    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at “the Jews” is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific “foreign invaders” who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the “Caravan of Doom” heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being “good Jews” and even consider them potential allies against the “bad Jews” like George Soros…

  24. Seems like these racists are emboldened by Trumps rhetoric.

    This is why a blue wave is necessary

    • Troll: IHTG, Mr. Rational
  25. Sean c says:

    Another deranged antiTrumper committing violence. The left has no concern for anyone but themselves so the feel free to attack and kill others.

  26. Johnson says:

    This guy read this site.

    That tells you something right there.

    All this proves that white men are the scourge of the earth.

  27. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I had no idea as to the first half of the ‘screw the optics’ quote. Imagine the ADL’s donation bonanza this year. Maybe they will finally have the resources to go after you…namely unlimited.

  28. Jefferson says:
    @DFH

    “It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right”

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

  29. @Realist

    For anyone who considers the idea of false-flags or covert government manipulation absurd in this context , please consider the Northwoods Operations proposed by the Joint Chiefs in 1963 to justify an invasion of Cuba to get rid of Castro. I guarantee that the current heirs of these guys have much greater capabilities than they did, and are much more concerned about Trump than they were about Castro. Some excerpts (emphasis mine) Note that having lots of alternatively real or phony casualties is not considered a problem:


    2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

    a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

    (2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
    (3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
    (4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
    (5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
    (6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
    (7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
    (8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
    (9) Capture militia group which storms the base.
    (10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires — napthalene.
    (11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

    a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

    b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to “evacuate” remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

    4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

    https://publicintelligence.net/operation-northwoods-documents/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  30. CAL2 says:
    @IHTG

    “Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).

  31. TheBoom says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews and probably killed more people than the Holocaust but we don’t hear much about that because as Lenin said it all comes down to who and whom

    • Replies: @Dissident
  32. Jefferson says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    “Was this guy a poster on Unz.com?”

    Does a bear shit in the woods?

  33. @Grahamsno(G64)

    So now tiny Unz.com rules the airwaves, while the gigantic MSM with their constant globo-homo anti-white agitprop affects absolutely nothing?

  34. Abyssal says:
    @Ron Unz

    You are an idiot.

    The shooter evidently made no distinction between “good Jews” and “bad Jews”. He shot indiscriminately at everybody in the synagogue within range of his firearms.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  35. @IHTG

    … believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority.

    Your prescription is more than a bit oxymoronic, especially for those whose esteemed “way of life” is/was significantly (if unconsciously) defined by living amongst—shock and horror—an overwhelmingly white milieu and power structure.

    Seems like you’re doing your Wormtongue best to sugarcoat a fatal blackpill.

    • Agree: Rosie, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @IHTG
  36. George says:

    Mass shooting trivia: The 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue massacre occurred withhin 2 miles of the , still unsolved, 2016 Wilkinsburg massacre.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Wilkinsburg_mass_shooting

    There were actually 2 unsolved massacres in 2016.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio,_shootings

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @J.Ross
  37. TheBoom says:

    It is the Russians says the Washington Post! Damn you Putin! Why didn’t we think of this? Who better for the Russians to use than a Filipino exotic dancer, steroid freak living in his van? A great cover.

    The Washington Post is all over this breakthrough

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/27/mail-bomb-suspect-made-numerous-references-facebook-russian-associates-echoed-pro-kremlin-views/?fbclid=IwAR1Rgn4SvtBFsvzD8qkRWvVqhSyDb_7qnhBc_Da8e-3fsW3rxwZnki8zI-0&noredirect=on&utm_term=.7faed0094117

  38. @Lurker

    the only outcome

    Begging the question, methinks.

    It’s been said on this blog that “The Future Is Unwritten.”

  39. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    He was screaming “all Jews must die”.

    His GAB account looks like that of one of your most true-believing followers.

    (I wonder if he had a moment where he noticed that the Jews weren’t worshipping Satan and sacrificing the baby?)

    This obviously isn’t your fault, but you blaming Fox News is pretty pathetic.

    Also, the vast majority of people want less immigration. It is not an extreme viewpoint.

  40. ariadna says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Satire is not easy. Yours is a diligent but gauche attempt. Still, I give you 5 points for effort. Come again much improved.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  41. @Jefferson

    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Are you talking about random violence or focused violence?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  42. Jefferson says:
    @IHTG

    “The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.”

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.

    “There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.”

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

  43. Hhsiii says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.

    https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

    Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.

    This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  44. @Ron Unz

    I’d prefer rather not to – – be ironic right now, and it might also not be the perfect moment to speculate about – – – an obviously troubled mind.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Lot
  45. @Ron Unz

    OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?

    Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.

  46. @TomInNOLA

    “Do we know if this guy saw Django?”

    To read the press, this guy is the White-Right Django, but in the old context where Django was a bad guy and not a folk-hero.

  47. Jefferson says:
    @Redneck farmer

    ““….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.”

    If you mass shoot up synagogues or you are a swastika flag waving LARPer than Donald Trump Trump is a globalist compared to you.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  48. @Jefferson

    If Sayoc had sent duplicates of clock boy’s creation to everyone instead of pseudo bombs, it would have been an epic troll.

    “Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.”

    How many whites were murdered by blacks this week?

    “Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.”

    When has the truth of this case ever mattered to the people holding the megaphone?

    Oddly, for those who are more violent and less peaceful than other races, the megaphone holders never condemn them but only announce what their deeds make incumbent on the rest of us to do for them.

    tl;dr: There has always been a double standard among the MSM, and there will continue to be a double standard.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  49. JimB says:

    Bowers is an asshole. I hope they fry him. Trump and his supporters have been handily outwitting and defeating America’s well funded enemies through the process without this guy’s homicidal racism. When jerks like him come along and kill civilians, it gives our enemies who control the megaphone all they need to establish a moral equivalence between what they do, which destroys the lives of millions of US citizens, to the insane actions of a few people identified as Trump supporters. Obviously the insane rhetoric and violent street actions funded by wealthy liberals and parroted by Maxine Waters and other lefty politicians sets off crazies on both sides. That’s by design.

  50. fnn says:
    @Jefferson

    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.

    My impression is that they’re virtually extinct. Did Geraldo really play a key role?

  51. @Johnson

    I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @fish
  52. Thomas says:

    I guess the ADL, which is sort of either the junior- or senior-league counterpart to the $PLC, has officially certified this as the deadliest Anti-Semitic incident in American history. That is has 11 bodies might prompt one to ask, if one has a sense of scale of atrocity in American history, whether that’s either an outrage or else a prompt for “wow, there really haven’t been that many serious anti-Semitic incidents in American history, Mr. Peabody.”

    Does the “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle” survive, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, CNC machines, and 3D printing notwithstanding the blood of the Chosen? Survey sez?

    And what do the “blood of the Chosen” count for a week from an election, where “Cheeto Hitler” is moving the embassy to Jerusalem, the last dozen anti-Semitic incidents’ Caller ID was from Tel Aviv, and “Trump is a globalist” is a googleable phrase? Survey sez?

  53. IHTG says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It would be better if the United States remained a majority white country. By all means, work towards that goal. But making your entire worldview contingent on it marks you as an unserious person. You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left, the stakes of which are the moral legitimacy of the nation-state itself. Your duty to oppose them doesn’t change if the white percentage of the population flips from 50% to 49.9%, and nobody other than cranks would follow a person who believed such a thing.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  54. TheBoom says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, you must feel proud that Unz is now considered important enough that it is attracting a growing number of leftist trolls. Accusations of “you’re all rayyycist” add greatly to the educational value of the site. Welcome to the big leagues!

  55. clyde says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    pathetic from you…… I am awaiting the little duck to weigh in.

  56. gate666 says:
    @Redneck farmer

    not really,even trump is not good enough for this retard.

  57. J says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    HIAS is helping refugees and poor people, as do the Quakers and the Lutherans and other religious welfare organizations. Yet the attack was on a synagogue, because the obsessive and negative focusing on the Jews. Like this blog.

  58. @Jefferson

    200 people have been shot and 46 of those were killed in Chicago just in the month of October alone. It is likely 80% were black and another 13% were Hispanic, based on the year’s percentages.

    Definitely not making the case that you think anything at all like Thomas Jefferson, or that you understand concepts like proportion, math, or narrative.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  59. @onetwothree

    I think you mean a mass-simultaneous-organic-collective-red pilling of THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MAJORITY….there is safety in numbers….

    Imagine if 100,000 WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MEN had descended upon Charlottesville in August 2017….

  60. Well……what if White Genocide is true? What should be the proper response of millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES? The epidemiology statistics are overwhelmingly clear about this:White Genocide is not a paranoid delusion…..it’s very real….Noam Chomsky:”White Males are dying…..”

  61. GW says:
    @TomInNOLA

    Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Realist
  62. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Thomas

    Who are you quoting and what are you talking about with “blood of the Chosen”? Google says it has something to do with Warcraft Online but I suspect it is merely part of whatever Bowersesque anti-Semitic fantasy you get off on.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  63. Stealth says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Are you suggesting that all white gentiles share some blame for the Holocaust?

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  64. Declane says:
    @Ron Unz

    Still trying to have it both ways, Ron? I guess that’s why there’s not a big DONATE button at the top of every page. I know you pay your writers peanuts – that’s why you get so many monkeys contributing their columns – but surely the hosting costs a chunk of change. Big Jewish donors, huh? Can’t criticize the Jews, huh? No matter where you go, there they are.

  65. George says:

    Since you brought up Westboro Baptist Church, a very small insular hard to join primitive Baptist group, their response is:

    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

    God Sent the Shooter and other videos:

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/video/signmovies.html

    Scroll down to ‘God Sent the Shooter’. I could not find a direct link and the unofficial versions on YouTube are vandalized with Nazi type symbols, possibly because the Westboro YouTube channel was shut down.

  66. KenH says:
    @IHTG

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population.

    Given how American whites have been villified, impugned and dispossessed since 1965 their reaction thus far has been remarkably restrained. No other people would tolerate a race of interlopers in the Jews to gain so much power and use that power to replace the majority people via mass importation of racially alien stocks and organizing and inflaming those racial aliens against the white majority.

    A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics

    Great Point! Let’s sit around and become Brazil since things aren’t so bad down there. Except they are.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  67. This is a terrible, stupid, senseless tragedy.

    this may sound quaint but I believe sacred spaces are just that…. not saying someone should kill someone anywhere, obviously but its particularly odious to do it in a sacred space. Security – including armed security has become a regular thing at my church at big events like Christmas, this was never the case before.

    But this is going to become huge political capital…

    Roosh quipped “It’s okay if you happen to miss the details of today’s synagogue shooting: you’ll be reminded of it daily for the next 70 years.”

    -also it looks like Gab’s provider is pulling hosting…

    - i suspect this will be the incident that makes the second amendment invalid.

    - a few years ago I read a book by a former mossad agent that claimed jewish groups used synagogues and cultural centers to store caches of weapons in case of a mass anti-semetic attack.

    one thing i am curious about with all the muslim terrorism in this country why have they rarely or ever targeted jews?

  68. @Jefferson

    The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.

    Wrong wrong and wrong

    “Alt-Right” talking points that were basically unheard of outside of this comment section in 2011 are now on FOX NEWS every night to 4 million viewers.

    The “Alt-Right” is making a good play to replace basic bitch corporate conservatism. This could become the explicit political ideology of 70 million Americans…

    Don’t even try to @ me with some weak ass hair splitting crap about what “Alt Right” “really” refers to.

    • Replies: @Karlub
  69. We need to get back to the 19th century for it was a much more groovy time period in US History…

    Irish and Jewish Solidarity!!!….remember the good ol’ days of Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers….

    You should read Samuel Gompers testimony before the US Congress…….God Bless Jewish Socialist Labor Leader Samuel Gompers!!!……and don’t forget the Jew Confederate Shelby Foote…..

    Archie Bunker was really a Jew…..Norman Lear’s Father….

    • Replies: @Dissident
  70. Polynikes says:
    @DFH

    Well….The alt left has certainly surpassed them in political violence. Given this guy’s apparent love of Hitler and national socialism, there can be little doubt that this was another violent leftist.

  71. SF says:

    Trump’s luck is running out. In 2016, the most newsworthy mass murders we’re by second generation Muslim immigrants. I know second generation immigrant is an oxymoron but in those cases it fit

  72. Cooption says:
    @Realist

    You know the Saudis were like, ” phew ! long news cycle uh ? lets head back to the palace for pizza and concubines saleeem. ”

    Who knows really. Maybe one in ten of these habbenings has some nefarious behind the scenes protaganist. You can’t say the Russians ! are responsible for everything, and discount other groups picking up on that. If the US can be influenced by some goons dickin around on twitter, hell lets run a few double blinds up the flag pole and see if we can point things in the direction of our interests.

    Unleash the krackens !

  73. Polynikes says:
    @Jefferson

    Your concern trolling is admirable.

  74. More Irish-Jew cooperation:boxer Jack Dempsey…….

  75. @Hhsiii

    Believed in the superiority of whites, angry at “filthy” Jews for enabling “filthy” Muslims and highly violent central Americans to invade the US. Looks to be have been specifically triggered by the migrant caravan. Sounds pretty typical apart from thinking Trump was too soft.

    • Agree: European-American
  76. Jonas says:
    @Jefferson

    It’s a good question that vanguard movements usually attract people with mental illness. There are a certain glamour, mainly in artistic and even scientific vanguard movements, about eccentric people. The best of them are intelligent , of course, but often misfit, nonconformist people. Perfectly fit and intelligent people usually don’t care about to change the world. They only want to understand the current rules of the world and adapt to it, to succeed. This explain why thee are so many competent people in academia and media that are indifferent or support the current Western values.

  77. Polynikes says:
    @Ron Unz

    Quite the logical leap just to shill for open borders. Let no crisis go to waste….

    • Agree: Dissident
  78. Bill P says:

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That’s something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn’t socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that’s a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is “ban all criticism of Jews,” which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

  79. @Grahamsno(G64)

    There are very few “furious antisemitic rants” here, you’re talking about The Sin Of Noticing.

    I don’t think anyone here agrees with slaughtering people because they belong to “the wrong group”, which is more than we can say about some other political strands.

  80. @Lurker

    The reality is that, despite the accepted narrative that white males are crazy killers, they get news headlines while black killers–even those motivated by express racial animosity–don’t because dog bites man isn’t news while man bites dog is news.

  81. AndrewR says:

    Cut the cucking, boys. No, yesterday’s massacre didn’t help anyone, least of all us, the shooter’s fellow travellers. But simply echoing leftist rhetoric and countersignalling this guy isn’t doing us any favors either. He is one of us. He did something foolish, he has been arrested and he will never see the light of day again. There’s no need whatsoever to pile on him, virtue signal against him or start popping black pills. Note how the left reacted to the baseball game shooter last year. When they weren’t praising the guy, they were pretending the whole incident never happened. Has this harmed the left? Of course not. We must emulate the ways the left has gained and maintained power, and this clearly precludes the countersignalling I’m seeing in this post and its responses. Let’s put his victims squarely at the feet of the left.

  82. bomag says:
    @Jefferson

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    Well, the mainstream Left seems pretty unsympathetic with their screaming in restaurants and elevators, accusations without evidence, and their share of violence.

    The Left wins the likability contest in the age of mass media by promising free stuff for everyone. The Right has to explain that nothing is free, and by then they are playing damage control.

    But long term the money eventually runs out, and it becomes a matter of what right wing, conservative regime will prevail.

  83. @27 year old

    Your contempt for us all has been noted. Now what? Why not put together some arguments and evidence to convince us of whatever you’ve got simmering between your ears?

  84. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Jefferson

    “The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.”

    It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.

  85. @Jefferson

    one positive part of this horrible tragedy is that the guy was a trump basher.

  86. @Inquiring Mind

    Maybe it was it was a joke, not good taste on this particular thread IMHO.

  87. All disputes are, at bottom, theological.

  88. It’s a big country. We will always have homicidal lunatics among us. But the insane Left blames Trump for everything, including bad weather (“Climate Change”). Everything from hangnails to the extinction of the dinosaurs is Trump’s fault. Trump was and is just a canny showman, who had the perception to see an opening for an anti-Third World immigration candidate in the 2016 presidential race. The Invasion continues because Trump’s party (the contemptible & Judas-like Republicans) want it to continue. The only reason the GOP united to push Kavanaugh through is because the always united Dems would have certainly feasted on the next GOP Bush stooge who might get in their way on the road to more power. The Senate GOP hacks had no choice but to defend themselves against the Stalinist Dem femme banshees who were out for buckets of blood and nothing less. The perjury of “Dr.” Blasey-Ford was just a warm-up act. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  89. Anon[811] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Valuable list, thanks

  90. I betcha that notorious Jewish Mass Murderer, the late Congressman Steven Solarz…if he were alive in 2018…….would be enthusiastically calling for mass murder of Shia Muslim Iranians and Russian Orthodox Christians in the Eastern Ukraine….And Congressman Steven Solarzs would be making this case for mass murder with no consequences….on Twitter…..

    Congressman Steven Solarzs was single-handedly responsibly for the mass murder in Iraq in 1991 and the creation of the crippled freaks paraded around on the endless Wounded Warrior Project Infomercials……..I have very great fears, and many sleepless nights, thinking about Family members of mine now serving in the US Army…..canon fodder for the evil ghost of Steven Solarzs….

    Bouser is small potatoes campared to the late Steven Solarzs….

    Of the 4 posts I have made so far in this thread….Steve….this one really needs to get posted…..for it is the GD TRUTH!!!

  91. Nathan says:
    @Tyrion 2


    We should probably be grateful that the left isn’t as competent at fomenting the death and destruction they espouse. Right wing extremists are probably less inclined to this sort of terrorism on average, but are more effective when it comes to execution.

    Not that the right’s nuts and losers are very effective either. The laat thing the world needs are more one man Al Quedas like Anders Breivik.

  92. @Tyrion 2

    his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Indeed, just like we can hang around the necks of all Jews the actions of Baruch Goldstein, who stormed a mosque in the West Bank and gunned down 29 Arabs . Many Jews were outraged by this, mainly because the Arabs fought back and killed Goldstein. Didn’t they get the memo that one Jewish life is worth more than 10,000 Gentile lives?

    Although maybe the ante’s now been upped to 100,000 Gentile lives, according to this story.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-more-u-s-jews-will-walk-off-birthright-this-summer-1.6269655

    • Replies: @Anon
  93. @Lurker

    “Why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?”

    Lurker, what you really want to know is whether there’s a chance that Cesar Sayoc was a “useful idiot” for leftist political operatives, operatives who (somehow) manipulated him into sending the “bombs” to various high-profile Democrats.

    While that is certainly possible, there is no proof at this moment that Sayoc had an intelligence handler, one who could have maneuvered him – James Earl Ray style , a definite “useful idiot” – into taking the fall for these “bombs”.

    So, your implication is not necessarily wrong, but for now, there is no sign that you are right.

    Find the evidence.

  94. @Ron Unz

    Unz, your attempt to smear the immigration patriot right with responsibility for the violence beloved among the holders of anti-semitic views you’ve recently been promoting is cowardly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Please shut up until a white shooter targets Mexicans or immigrants.

  95. @Bill P

    “So what can be done?”

    Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether “on the decline” or not.

    Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  96. @prosa123

    You are referring to the Antifa residents of Willowbrook….

  97. @Almost Missouri

    Shouldn’t the new handle be “mini-Johnson”?

  98. @CAL2

    It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy.

    This may be so, but if it is, it’s rather easy to adapt to such a state of affairs. Full blown anarchy is not a feature in daily life, not in my limited experience. (I estimate I’m in the top 5% here as far as quality of life is concerned, though)

    Also, and I mean this without malice, I go around in public without worrying that a madman will start shooting people indiscriminately. Squads of criminals may come and rob you at gunpoint, which must be a truly awful experience (haven’t been through it), or, in the more violent areas, you might be struck by a bullet meant to kill someone else, but no random, heavily armed wacko will decide that simply because you happen to be there, in the wrong place at the wrong time, you and a dozen other people have to die. That a man will enter a synagogue, or a black Christian church, or a white Christian church, or a theater, or a school, and declare death to all those attending — for reasons known only to himself — almost never happens here (to paraphrase Mr. ”Cool Guy” Obama, at least not like it does in the United States, but also in Canada and even in Europe).

    And yet we have 63,000 homicides a year, in a country 2/3s the size of the US. A bloodbath. Go figure.

  99. jill says:

    U.S. domestic violence in no way compares to this kind of violence:

    Israel-Palestine Timeline

    At least 247 Palestinians (46 children) and 11 Israelis (0 children) have been killed by someone from the other side in 2018.

    The youngest victim was Kamal Mohammad al-Yaziji, , and the oldest victim was Mohammad Ata Abu Jame’, 59. Click on the names for more information and sources.

    https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/2018deaths/

    • Replies: @Anon
  100. Jack D says: • Website

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

  101. AndrewR says:
    @Lurker

    Did the GOP baseball shooting empower the GOP?

    Have any mass shootings targeting whites empowered whites?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  102. @Jefferson

    Some call the Neo-Nazi types “alt-retard”.

  103. @Carl

    “Because they’re violent psychopaths?”

    Possibly, although here’s something curious:

    CBS Miami reported that “A law enforcement official said late Friday that Sayoc had been living in a white van after he got kicked out by his parents’ house.

    The official said, Sayoc told investigators that the “pipe bombs wouldn’t have hurt anyone and that he didn’t want to hurt anyone.”

    Say what?

    Every other media outlet has reported that the guy wanted to kill Democrats.

    The obvious follow-up question, unasked by the MSM (predictably), is “so why did you send the “bombs” then?”

    Were the authorities afraid that Sayoc’s answer might have been something along the lines of “I was doing as told?”

    Don’t “violent psychopaths” proudly proclaim their desire to kill innocent people loudly to the press after they’ve been caught?

    What kind of “violent psychopath” claims he didn’t want to hurt anybody?

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/10/26/11th-suspicious-package-found-at-florida-mail-facility/

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  104. The Z Blog says: • Website

    ZOG de-platformed Gab over this and they will probably be coming for Sailer this time. Look at the pogrom they launched after Dylan Roof. They don’t even like blacks very much and they spent two years toppling statues and attacking white people.

    Imagine what comes after a direct assault on their own.

    Good luck Ron and Steve.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Rational
  105. @IHTG

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

    This is a particularly perspicacious comment. I appreciate the empathy and consideration. I would eagerly read more of what you write.

    btw, I am as horrified to hear about this anti-semitic attack as anyone else. I never for an instant harbored this type of animosity and hatred towards Jewish people.

  106. @prosa123

    Current conditions aren’t like a Belview of yore but the people who end up running and working in such facilities aren’t much of an improvement.

  107. Heros says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    This sounds just like some crappy dialog in a jewish made hollywood movie, something Schwarzenegger could have said. It is also reminds of flight 93′s famous:

    “Are you ready? Okay. Let’s roll.”

    This is clearly one giant (((psyop))) for stupid goyim and even stupider jews. The timing is perfect as is the target: gun-crazed angry white males. Once again, it came straight off of some jewish script writers storyboard.

    And what was the motive? Did this guy believe killing a few jews would solve the countries problems in the same way they would have us believe that Paddock thought shooting hundreds from the Mandalay, directly in front of the Luxor pyramid and the sphynx, would?

  108. @Carl

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?”

    In addition to being brain dead stupid.

  109. Isn’t it possible that someone shot up a synagogue but that a false narrative was produced for the public. This one for the further inculcation of white America that all would be immigrants are gentle, functional, deserving refugees and if you don’t accept any and all comers you’re a latent psycho killer.

    This isn’t the first shooting in which I’ve sensed something a bit off about details provided to the public. I have assumed that this was necessary for either national security or even to protect the privacy of victims. I’ve also come to believe that acts of Muslim terrorism have been covered up to deny such terrorists the additional impact on the US public. Such a strategy might also reduce the number of terror attacks since they will not be recognized.

  110. Danindc says:
    @Jefferson

    Take a statistics class. I beg of you.

  111. @Bill P

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy.

    Segregation was dismantled. You are going to have to overturn established law, amend/rewrite the constitution and eliminate the left in order to make a replacement. It is simpler to imagine a dictator taking power and fixing things then this occurring though democratic means.

  112. @Edward

    Yes. The murder in that black church was horrible. I’m sure even people who hate blacks would worry last about the ones attending church.

    Instead it was used to further the cold civil war. We need to turn down the heat.

  113. Erik L says:

    The comments today are not as horrible as I imagined. Good to know I can still read Sailer. I’ve been with him since the 1990s but lately the comments section had been making me think of giving up on the best long term writer on the internet.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @anonymous
  114. El Dato says:
    @Realist

    > It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month

    “It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related”

    Really

    • Replies: @Realist
  115. Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents “motherfucker” as much as they like, but call an opponent “camelfucker” and you are going to jail–because that is racist, you see. Call him a “sissy camelfucker” and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless–who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

  116. @Jefferson

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics.

    Doesn’t seem to bother Elizabeth Warren …

  117. El Dato says:
    @Lurker

    Reichtagsbrand … happened to not be a false flag.

  118. El Dato says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    > Timothy McVeigh

    Yeah, about that.

    Timothy is probably alive and well in Argentina.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork…

    And thus the influence of Jewish money in western society should not be talked about?

  119. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    Welcome to the Real World where things are being said and things happen.

    Especially as the population density increases and the future does not seem too bountyful.

  120. @Jack D

    Your concerns are valid but the only peaceful way out of the current mess is more talk. The old arrangements were falling apart anyway, even before this massacre in Pittsburgh. Having the mass media play the role of the Ministry of Truth (with David Duke as their Emmanuel Goldstein) is no longer viable. There’s going to be a lot of uncontrollable chatter about Jews and Jewish power, whether people welcome it or not.

    One of the biggest reasons the chatter will continue is the apparently irrepressible desire Jewish journalists, politicians and celebrities have for saying they oppose policy X or Y “as a Jew”. Those who favour policies X or Y can’t help but resent an attempt to play this trump card.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  121. 11 is roughly 0.0002% of the number of Americans who died last year as the result of opioid overdoses, most of which are the result of opioids flowing across our southern border–which we are not allowed to effectively secure because…nazi! By the way, I wonder if Palestinians interpret events like yesterday’s shooting, correctly imo, as, “Well, this can’t be good for us.”

  122. @dearieme

    If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?

    What does it really mean, for some U.S. citizen in Pittsburgh, to be characterized as a “supporter” of Vlaimir Putin? Did he “favorite” some Putin-themed memes from his Twitter account (before getting banned)? Who cares?

  123. Svigor says:
    @Realist

    The timing does seem extremely conspicuous.

    I hate the Konspiracy Kook everything is a false flag crowd, but the guy sending all the fake bombs to Democrats 2 weeks before the elections (you know, the one with all the cliche/stereotypical stickers on his van that are so neatly aligned that they make the professionals jealous) really does have the stench of convenience about it. You know; no Democrats were harmed in the making of this pre-election boost. Right down to “their” inability to find an actual White guy to play patsy.

    But Bowers, 11 dead Jews, 3 shot cops, etc? Not so much. There only the timing is suspicious. Everything else about it suggests genuine terrorism.

    • Agree: Dissident, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Realist
  124. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    The resident “Rightwing”-Jews should be a bit more careful with their gloating about this being some sort of awesome propaganda victory against the “Alt-Right”. The Left, including Jewish organizations, will attack any (non-neo)conservative as being a murderous antisemite, which is of course ridiculous – the normie US conservative is still rabidly philosemitic and prozionist. But the hate just might get some of them to reconsider their loyalties.

    One should however not over overestimate the impact of this event. As Steve is wont to say, it is a big country. Even with the mainstream media behind it, it is simply not possible to keep this in the spotlight for too long a time. Who still remembers this guy who shot up a black church last year or so?

  125. Svigor says:

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    I used to think this kind of anti-American, anti-1st-Amendment commentary from Jews was relatively harmless but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire more anti-gentile action from Jews, as seen in the Holodomor, Bolshevik crimes against humanity, and Soviet oppression?

    We see the same thing in communism – first there’s talk of revolution, concern about “anti-semitism,” and the next thing we know Jewish commissars are herding us into gulags, or shallow graves.

  126. @Jonathan Mason

    Too bad you’re not childless.

  127. dvorak says:
    @Jefferson

    Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks.

    True, George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party was assassinated by a crazy guy who had previously been kicked out of the American Nazi Party

  128. Svigor says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Free speech isn’t for everyone. Maybe some other country would better suit your (((nature))).

  129. Svigor says:
    @IHTG

    I more or less agree with this. I’ve never been fond of the blackpill-heavy approach. The simple fact is that most of what we can do has never even been tried yet, because of the apathy of our indoctrinated populace.

  130. Here’s what I don’t understand about the whole situation: all of the people on unz.com (“alt right” or not) seem to look forward to this kind of day, or at least think it inevitable, when the white uprising will take place.

    And yet, when somebody actually goes ahead and does it, you guys are all shocked and taken aback “we love the Jews, Trump is right” etc.

    So if you guys aren’t actually down with this, what the hell have you been preparing for?

    Anyways, as somebody who recognizes Jewish power but doesn’t necessarily see it as bad, the alt right was never particularly appealing to me. There are nationalist and globalist Jews. Just like it’s wrong to say that all white people are homosexual pussy hat wearing social justice warriors, there are actually many Zionist nationalist Jews who can be “allies”. Trump has figured this out.

    Anyways, RIP to these devout Jews that were probably not even the “bad” kind of secular leftist Jews. You guys who think all Jews need to be killed are nuts, and just because somebody has a different religion doesn’t mean you can’t make useful “nationalist” alliances.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @notanon
    , @renfro
  131. Svigor says:
    @Jefferson

    White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.

  132. Svigor says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Invaders that kill our people” is shorthand for “slowly annihilate us via the soft genocide of immigration.”

    It’s pretty simple. If you have Golden Retrievers in kennel A and Labrador Retrievers in kennel B and keep putting dogs from kennel A into kennel B, eventually you have plenty of Golden Retrievers but the Labrador Retrievers are all gone.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  133. Here’s an interesting train of thought that crossed my mind: Do you think that all these insane recent events could contribute to a revival in Christianity in the United States?

    Churches would have to play it right and do some good marketing. However, they could go by some slogan like “if you’re tired of all the madness, and want order, community, and love, join our Church”.

    I view Christianity and organized religion as the antidote to this, and would love a revival. Any thoughts on this?

  134. Svigor says:
    @Jefferson

    And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.

    Meaning he isn’t even worth mentioning.

  135. fish says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Lets’s be honest…..given what we know ….shouldn’t it really be “Tiny Johnson”.

  136. @Tyrion 2

    Don’t forget to add Dr. Baruch Goldstein to your list.

  137. @Jack D

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    This logic could be applied to just about every category of political criticism. In practice, legal sanctions will be applied only to right-wing critiques of left-wingery.

  138. Svigor says:
    @Jefferson

    Solzhenitsyn was oppressed by The Party, ergo Solzhenitsyn was bad.

    Brilliant logic from you as usual, Jeffy.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  139. This is an awkward moment where I feel both sick to my stomach and a bit guilty. I wonder if that’s how many people who opposed the US’s role in the world felt about 9/11. You cannot support the horrific crime, and yet… It’s committed by someone, however crazy, who is very roughly “on your team”… Similar awkwardness with Breivik. It’s all fun and games until someone gets really hurt…

    I’m also uncomfortable about my free speech absolutist stance:

    Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups and others who have been kicked off of mainstream social media sites.

    I’ve been a supporter of gab, and want it to succeed for free speech reasons, but…

    Free speech isn’t free. To some extent letting people voice their anger or even their criticism against certain groups will cause some people to radicalize, espouse violent ideologies, and take horrible action.

    We know there is a trade off in some of our cherished democratic values. Allow people to have freedom and it will have some bad consequences, not just good ones.

    I feel pretty terrible. Sorry I can’t just say, everything’s fine, there will always be crazies, death happens, keep on fighting the good fight… Sometimes things just suck. Sorry if I just sound dumb.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  140. Svigor says:
    @GW

    Or how many goys have been marched into death or disfigurement by warmongering (((neocons)))?

  141. Lot says:
    @Lurker

    “Screw the optics, I’m going in”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  142. @Inquiring Mind

    “. . . most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website” – Ron Unz

    All six (estimate) of them who write to refute the most egregious libels of jews and Israel. Interesting glimpse of the webmaster’s mindset.

    • Agree: International Jew
  143. jsigur says: • Website
    @Jefferson

    Assume intelligence asset

  144. Svigor says:
    @Bill P

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    HBD matters.

    Until the topic turns to the Jews. Then it’s leftism, all the way down.

  145. L Woods says:
    @Jefferson

    Added to the annals of self-awareness…

  146. Lot says:
    @Tyrion 2

    This should be reposted in reddit and as comments in MSM sites that still allow them.

  147. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

  148. Israel regularly arms ISIS…Why are AIPAC…THE ADL….AND SPLC….allowed to have free speech in America?

  149. BenKenobi says:
    @Jack D

    So much concern trolling in this thread.

    So much crying out in pain while striking.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  150. Lot says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit’s white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  151. Rich says:
    @Jack D

    Free speech is actually one of the antidotes to violence. When you forbid people to speak about an issue, their only response becomes violence. This individual in Pittsburgh didn’t attack and kill all those senior citizens in that synagogue because he had free speech rights, he did it because he had a screw loose.

    Free speech should never be limited or banned.

  152. Jason Liu says:

    So, did this guy just lose Trump the midterms?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  153. @Rosie

    Do the Hindus…Chinese….Iranians…and Israelies get California?

  154. @Lot

    Of course, “screw the optics” means “to hell with trying to win over the media or play the public relations game”. A terrorist act, by definition, is an attempt to change political opinions by murdering noncombatants. Terrorism is a way to forcefully make a political point by killing people. One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That’s not the only solution but it’s a start.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  155. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    “the antisemitic commentary around here”

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about “around here” and “antisemitic.”

    —-

    Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

  156. Big Bill says:

    My advice to the folks suffering in Pittsburgh:

    “Better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it!”

    “Jewish youth, learn to shoot!”

    [Zeev Jabotinsky]

    • Replies: @Moshe
  157. @Rosie

    This is true. Americans need to get out of each other’s hair and out of each other’s heads.

  158. Lot says:
    @Rosie

    “Multiculturalism is just not working out.”

    Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Jefferson
  159. Wilkey says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @anon
  160. @Jonathan Mason

    A Wikipedia entry as the one for Gregg Easterbrook?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Easterbrook

    Actually, his Wikipedia entry doesn’t list that for which Mr. Easterbrook is most notorious.

    I regard him as a “thinking man’s James Fallows.” Whereas he writes essays for “respectable” venues such as Atlantic and The New Republic, on “respectable” topics such as the environment or national defense spending, his thoughts sometimes take him to contrarian or iconoclastic positions. For example, it was Easterbrook who wrote about how the cheaper Northrup F-20 may be a better figher plane than the General Dynamics F-16, so why was the U. S. Air Force ignoring the F-20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark

    His notoriety, however, derives from the time that he thought-out-loud an iconoclastic thought in public (I am paraphrasing), “When so many Jews are victims of violent attacks, in Israel, here at home, and in many other parts of the world, why do Jewish executives in Hollywood think it is a good idea to derive corporate profits from so many films glorifying violence?”

    Who boy, did that get a reaction, for Crimethink on three separate levels. One was thinking that words or actions by specific Jewish persons could in any way even remotely contribute to or in the slightest way be responsible for Jews as a group being victims of violence connected to anti-Semitic hate. The second was invoking the anti-Semitic stereotype of monetary greed, especially the alleged pursuit of profits in disregard of any ethical or moral or social consequences. The third was the anti-Semitic trope that “(the) Jews run Hollywood.”

    Given the buzz saw of public criticism Mr. Easterbrook ran into, I was thinking that he would get un-personed, air-brushed out of the Party photos. Commenting at Little Green Footballs, which was the Blog of Noticing of its day in the era before Charles Johnson terminated his post 9-11 truce with the conservative, neo-conservative and nativist Right, I ran into that same buzz saw by attempting to defend Easterbrook in suggesting that, yes, there are persons of Jewish heritage who serve as Hollywood executives, this material fact may have been the consequence of many Hollywood founders migrating to the U.S. as a result of Czarist-era persecution. Under the Hayes Code a Jewish movie executive accepted the wisdom of restrictions on movie content set by a Catholic priest as a win-win both for studio profits and social peace, so suggesting that movie moguls had a self interest in moderating the content of their movies (think of the recent iSteve thread where violent movies are discussed), wasn’t off base. Other commenters at LGF called my arguments “garbage.”

    This latest tragedy is a Progressive Agenda two-fer. Because a person off-their-nut shoots and kills people, we have to give up our guns. Because a white anti-Semite off-his-nut shoots and kills Jewish people, we have to give up any public remarks regarding how either specific Jewish persons or factions within or the Jewish community as a whole participate in our multi-cultural American society?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  161. Zumbuddi says:
    @Jack D

    A better argument, that takes account of recent history and that has understood Ron Unz’s Pravda series, would hold precisely the opposite:

    when free exercise of First Amendment rights are relegated to “tiny Unz” , if not, indeed, outright censored by ADL, Facebook, Youtube etc, it is totally predictable that someone will react explosively; that in a pitical system where power is way out of equilibrium, that person will be a disempowered kook (if not a manipulated patsy); and that the target will be a comparatively weak affiliate of the censoring group.

    “The answer to offensive speech is MORE speech,” but what is occurring is more censorship, when what is needed is MORE “tiny Unzes.”

    Anybody who has used toothpaste should understand this.

    • Agree: Rosie
  162. Eternal rest grant unto them, Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.

    [MORE]

    The reaction to a horrific event such as this should not be to curtail free speech. However, it is difficult to see what a person can do to effect any change. Politics are becoming more stratifying. Where imbalanced people once committed massacres based on the religious difference, it seems that the ongoing politicization of everything has caused evil men to cloak their actions in political rhetoric. And we never can legislate evil out of existence. The unfortunate reality, though, is that the neoliberal faction of the country has an outsized share of power, and when bad events like this one take place it causes the Overton Window to shift more in the direction of neoliberalism.
    I hope that there is some way to thread the needle on this issue and that there are genuine good-faith actors able to work towards a peaceful solution.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  163. Anon[704] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in mirror some time.

  164. Lot says:
    @Dieter Kief

    SF had a formerly mainstream conservative politician snap and defend himself with a “Twinkie defense.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

    Our esteemed host, also a former mainstream conservative politician, was reported to eat half his meals at Burger King.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  165. dvorak says:
    @Jack D

    Jack D is a Boomer and is not made for our era, the Weimerican Century.

  166. Anon[704] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in the mirror some time.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  167. Anon[704] • Disclaimer says:

    You would think that the unfortunate events of today would call for some humility, but unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric all the way up to 12. Shame on you.

    • Replies: @anon
  168. Anon[704] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Sounds reasonable to me.

  169. Iberiano says:

    You know, every single day in this country, thousands of Americans (black and white) are killed by illegals (and often the immediate offspring [[citizens]] of these illegals) and it’s no big deal. Liberal Puritan Whites and Jews call Trump a Nazi for suggesting “it would be one less murder if _________ hadn’t been here illegally”. Likewise, every single day in the US, hundreds of whites are victimized by blacks, from rapes (about 100 white women a day), to burglaries, carjackings, assaults, thefts large and small–and even the idea that white people should care about this, or their own, seems to incense Jews (at least of the Left, of which most are). So I’m sorry, and this point, I’m fresh out of “higher ground” and, “let’s be above that,” “we’re better than that” and “That’s not who we are”. I am sad for the loss of innocent people anywhere, everywhere–of course. But the fact is, whites are victimized every day across the land and not a tear is shed for these heritage white Americans.

    Hundreds of white Heritage Americans were shot in Vegas, dozens of them murdered– a year later and the nation (Jews, Blacks, the White Elite Puritan Left), collectively shrugs it shoulders. I’m returning the gesture for a change.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  170. How much responsibility does Trump bear for the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh?
    Political rhetoric matters, and he has had some unfortunate things to say about Jews.
    By Julia Ioffe

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/28/how-much-responsibility-does-trump-bear-synagogue-shooting-pittsburgh

    Her Twitter feed is a great place to go if one wants to see how she and her social circle have decided to play this.

  171. @Ali Choudhury

    Muslim lying. They are the most dishonest vermin around.

  172. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    How many Jews own media outlets? How many Jews are involved in finance? How many Jews are CEOs of tech companies? How many Jews run Hollywood studios?

    Does this look like a decline in power to you? It sure doesn’t to me. These people are all proportionally much richer than they were back in the 1950s or so, thanks to American capitalism, and they have billions available to donate to everything they think will upset the American applecart. Look at George Soros, for example.

  173. Jefferson says:
    @Rosie

    “This is why Whites need our own country.”

    You can move to a continent called Europe. Why don’t you are you too poor to move? Or are you too low IQ and lazy to learn a new language like Russian or Czech for example? You are no different than Black American Nationalists who keep bitching about why there is no ethnostate homeland for the Black race even though there is as continent called Africa waiting for them.

  174. Iberiano says:
    @Rosie

    This. Every.Single.Day, whites are victimized and to even suggest there is a particular group culpable or another group cheering it on, is “taking the low ground” somehow.

    I will care about another group (Blacks, Jews, Illegals, Rich Psychologist WASPS) the day not a single White Heritage American is murdered, raped, assaulted, killed in a DUI, etc, by another group–since we know everyone (not white) is going by “group” and counting who did what from one group (race, ethnicity, etc) vs another.

  175. @IHTG

    ‘…Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics…’

    So all we have to do is let ourselves become like Brazil and then there’ll be a reaction?

    No doubt you’re right.

  176. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Desiderius

    Where’s the “blood” bit? He made out as if he is quoting someone. Who?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @notanon
  177. @DFH

    Define “Alt-Right.”

    I’m assuming that you say the same thing every time a crazy Muslim attacks Whites and Jews in the United States and Europe.

    The actions of some crazy guy who didn’t even like Trump doesn’t define a political movement. That said, yes, things are getting more tense. The left constantly demonizes any White person who shows the slightest pride in their heritage as literally Hitler and thus worthy of being killed. The right is pushing back, though I rarely see the same calls for violence. And, yes, many people notice that Jews are a critically important (if not “the”) driving force behind the changes of the past 60 years.

    I would prefer that we find a peaceful way out of this predicament and goodness knows that Steve is trying to do just that. However, history isn’t on our side. History says that when you have massive migrations of different peoples into the territory of another people, you get violence. There are a few cases where they blended into a new people relatively peacefully, but they are the exception to the rule.

    Perhaps our leaders should have thought of this before embarking on this grand multi-everything experiment. I am abhorred by what this guy did. My fear is that more is on the way and not just some crazies acting our their insane fantasies, but normal people acting in what they feel is self-defense.

  178. @Jack D

    ‘I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.’

    Freedom has always had a cost. We could ban all cars capable of going more than five mph and sharply reduce the death toll from traffic accidents — but we choose not to.

    Enforcing draconian bars on freedom of speech might well reduce the number of incidents such as yesterday’s attack. I still want to be free.

  179. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  180. @Ali Choudhury

    ‘…Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc…’

    ? The Holocaust was a matter of white people killing other white people they saw as different.

    How would you distinguish that from what happened in Rwanda, or Biafra, or that goes on more or less continuously in the Congo?

    The blacks rely less on organization and more on spontaneous action, but they acheive credible death tolls nevertheless. Did you have some sort of point?

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  181. Lot says:
    @CAL2

    Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  182. @Jack D

    Playing coy will avail you exactly nothing.

    If you’d have us take the side of those coming to shut down this forum and further curtail our God-given rights make your case like a man.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Jack D
  183. @Lot

    Don’t worry, I hear it’s bounced back to 0.06 million.

  184. All victims are equal, but some are more equal than others.

    I don’t recall quite the same outpouring of denunciations and calls for rethinking free speech, etc in the wake of Dylann Roof’s killings of blacks, or for that matter, Sergeant Bales’ killings of Muslim women and children. We seem to be divided on Muslim terrorism; half of us call for the most spectacularly genocidal responses, while the other half try to pretend such attacks didn’t happen. As some have noted, black killings of whites go completely uncovered.

    For some reason, the victims in Saturday’s attacks are different; could someone specify what the distinction is?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Dissident
  185. Lurker says:
    @Carl

    Right, so if they are just a violent loon then there isn’t much political debate to had as a result of the current atrocity.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @bomag
  186. @Tyrion 2

    It’s a figure of speech akin to waving the bloody shirt or the blood of the fallen cry out for vengeance, etc.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  187. Corvinus says:

    “Anti-Semitic Far Right Terrorist Attacks Synagogue”

    So why did you choose not to write a companion piece similar to “Police Arrest Republican Male Stripper Steroid-Using Diverse-American Florida Man”, complete with your legendary “staccato grievance commentary”™?

    Mmmm, it is Sunday. Maybe you are at church? A sawbuck to the till? A trip to the priest or minister for a good talk?

  188. @Ali Choudhury

    Just give South Africa some more time to simmer.

  189. @27 year old

    A lot of boomers and other people addicted to their comfort levels terrified of what a civil conflict means.

  190. Ibound1 says:
    @Lurker

    Stalin killed off the best farmers in Russia and the Ukraine by the millions with predictable horrible results and he killed off his best generals and officers on the eve of war with Hitler. Hitler forced the best Jewish scientists flee in the 1930s and then used valuable railway lines to put Jews in camps, when the military desperately needed those lines and of course he killed Jews – who were very productive and who could have been working, while the Reich had an enormous labor shortage.

    Sometimes people do unproductive things because they are evil psychopathic amoral maniacs.

  191. @Jack D

    Welp, and here’s the “We must make special rules to ‘protect’ Jews” contingent.

  192. @Ali Choudhury

    Um, you do realize that it was Nazi Germans that carried out that atrocity, right?

    You also realize that Americans fought those same Nazi Germans and liberated many camps, right?

    In your mind, all gentile Whites are guilty of the sins committed by a relatively small number of gentile Whites 75 years ago in a distant land and must permanently atone for those sins. We are Sisyphus and our boulder the Jewish Holocaust (and, no, it is not “the” holocaust since their have been many).

    I refuse to accept the guilt that you wish to place upon me, the guilt that you wish to use against me. I am no more responsible for the Jewish Holocaust than I am for this horrible attack. Both are heinous, both have nothing to do with me.

    I will continue to criticize any group that seems to be acting in a way that harms my people. The guilt card is no longer in play. I do not want violence against members of that group, but I will not quietly allow the loss of my people and the world we created.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  193. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D

    “I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?”

    The Unz attracts as many mentally ill people as the Mariel boatlift to Miami did.

    You ever been to a mental hospital? Yeah everytime I browse The Unz.

  194. Lurker says:
    @onetwothree

    It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire.

    Which is why it’s hardly way out to at least speculate about false flags, patsy shooters etc.

    • Replies: @Doug
  195. donut says:
    @Jefferson

    This changes nothing . “The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.” to you maybe . Spencer is irrelevant at this point and Sayoc did no more harm than Clockmed only he didn’t get an invitation to the White House . A sad man leading a sad life . Bowers actions were unfortunate but won’t change anybody’s mind . I didn’t even bother to read the story I don’t care . Mass murder is boring in 2018 . The right isn’t going to fold because of his deeds . We’ll just have to put up with more vapouring from the NPCs of the media and the Dem. Pols . demands for more repressive laws . Yawn .

  196. @DFH

    It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

    The Alt-Right only means EXPLICIT WHITENESS rather than IMPLICIT WHITENESS.

    The Alt-Right is now where the great majority of Americans of European Christian ancestry are heading.

    The Alt-Right is the future of politics for White Core Americans.

    The Alt-Right is surging ahead in all European Christian nations. The Alt-Right is on the march in France, Italy, the United States, Australia, Hungary, England, the Netherlands, Denmark and every other place colonized and settled by European Christians.

    The Alt-Right was named for a New Yorker of Prussian ancestry who made good loot as a supermodel.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP is going the way of the dodo.

    German beer is chemical free, Germany and the Alt-Right are all right with me!

  197. Jefferson says:
    @Lot

    “Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.”

    The first woman looks like a dark skin Gisele Bundchen. She has very European facial features for someone with that much melanin in their skin.

  198. Saxon says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes the small army of (likely paid) astroturfers probably are fanatically anti-immigration, but only for Israel. That’s an important distinction.

  199. bomag says:
    @Lurker

    isn’t much political debate to be had…

    The opposition will not let any tragedy go to waste.

  200. bucky says:
    @Jack D

    Anti-semitic talk of the more benign variety sort of plays a role as “noise” or a “foundation” which can lead to more serious actions unfortunately as we have seen yesterday.

    For all the talk about Jews not being white, you have to realize that black nationalists sort of see Jews as the ultimate whites.

    Unz is not especially convincing as a white nationalist, I’m afraid. He comes across more as a tired contrarian, perhaps he has a sense of noblesse oblige towards the white proletariat than and is trying to defang defamatory attacks against them. He does not come across as someone who is truly in his heart a hateful person.

    To an extent, his crusade is noble, as there often is overstep in the demonization of the white proletariat. But there also is truth to the stereotype, as we saw yesterday, and Unz has gone too far in that direction, I’m afraid. There’s still room to take a step back.

  201. @Wilkey

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day?

    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them, nor Christianity, the invention of the printing press, universal literacy (sort of), Martin Luther, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, sublime art, music, and architecture, and all the rest of it.

    Just as my grandparents (all born before 1900) were born into a society without cars, tanks, planes, movies, gramophone records, radio, or TV, (though at least they had the Daily Mail, founded 1896), the grandparents of many Africans of today were born into Stone Age tribal societies without running water, flush toilets, and more facepaint than Facebook.

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @donut
    , @Wilkey
    , @bomag
  202. @Lot

    Made With 100% Beef

    Some of that filling stuff looks suspiciously like lettuce, cheese, and tomato.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr. Anon
  203. bardamu says:

    You can’t fight against Jewish psychological warfare with guns. You fight it with your words, by non-stop mocking of left wing and right wing NPC’s, you build a culture of soft resistance and when you have enough numbers you graduate to marches where you go to film your abuse because you know you’ll get beat up. And you also know that if you defend yourself, you’ll be the one who ends up in jail.

  204. @Bill P

    ‘…There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years…’

    Now, I distinctly recall the entire Congress of the United States feeling impelled to give seventeen standing ovations to a foreign head of state — and that was considerably less than fifteen years ago.

    Who was that head of state again? What people did he represent? Who were the leading contributors to the campaigns of the presidential candidates of both parties? What country are we all but openly seeking war with? On whose behalf are we doing that?

    If only Jewish power were in decline — and if only there was no Israel. I doubt I’d think about Jews any more than I think about Anabaptists.

  205. Jefferson says:
    @CAL2

    ““Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said.”

    Brazilians are electing a politician for president Jair Bolsonaro who is vastly to the political Right of ALL Northwest European heads of state. Enjoy your damn Angela Merkel, Stefan Lofven, Theresa May, Michael D. Higgins, etc.

    Nobody on the political Right can even be elected dogcatcher in Northwest Europe because it is the most Cucked region in the world. Northwest Europe makes Maryland look like Mississippi in terms of politics.

  206. Ron Unz says:

    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we’ve had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can’t think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted…

  207. Lot says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I had a Whopperito once. It tasted pretty good, but I hated myself afterward.

    But I didn’t hate myself enough write a series of 38,000 word deranged screeds attacking my ancestors.

    If I ate BK every day, who knows?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  208. Saxon says:
    @IHTG

    I’m sure we’ll live a life of dignity when we’re a dispossessed kulak class with ever-broadening anti-white race laws like the ones that already exist such as the affirmative action/quota/set-aside/non-white only loans etc.

  209. I guess we can tell who sends in money to this site, judging by whose comments get approved. To hell with this.

  210. Paul Rain says:

    I think we should be careful before rushing to judgement about whether Bowers acted on generalized anti-semitism.

    He’s reported to live in Castle Shannon, which has been among the areas most badly targeted for resettlement (https://archive.is/JR0aR).

    The congregations based out of that synagogue, particularly the Reform ‘Dor Hadash’ congregation, have been extremely supportive of refugee resettlement (in other people’s neighbourhoods). https://web.archive.org/web/20181027190824/https://www.jfcspgh.org/national-volunteer-week/

    I would not be shocked to learn that this man was affected by refugee crime against his friends or family or his own person, made the link back to those who brought them in, and overreacted in this very unfortunate way.

  211. Nathan says:
    @Ron Unz

    The only one I could think of:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

    But there were no fatalities at the community center.

  212. Why are Jewish groups “scampering” to save Muslim refugees?

    That was a question from the great Ann Corcoran of REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT WATCH about the mass immigration extremism of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

    Ann Corcoran answered her own question this way:

    But, now that I know more, it is not too complicated to answer—they are doing it because they are politically-correct hard Leftists working to change America, and they are doing it for the money they receive from the US taxpayer to resettle Muslims in America.

    Because Ann Corcoran is a lovely fair-minded broad, she also said this:

    Before I get a bunch of anti-Semitic comments, just a reminder that the Catholic Bishops, Lutherans, Episcopalians, some mainline Protestant churches and some Evangelicals are also taking cold, hard cash (your cash!) to resettle Muslims in America too! I have never heard of one of them saying—we want to save the Christians and Jews FIRST!

    Tweet from 2015:

  213. @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz:

    Thank you for hosting Steve Sailer and other contributors on your Web site.

    Thank you for providing a forum where readers may also contribute comments freely without a special account and password. Thank you for your tolerance and patience with opinions you may not personally agree with. Thank you for a place where people can speak what is on their mind, and where we can work out differences by force of argument instead by force of compulsion or worse yet, force of violent acts.

  214. @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks but I’d rather not know. As Unz pointed out, it’s actually, ‘Screw your optics,” something that I could only have previously imagined, Newton saying to Robert Hooke.

  215. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.

  216. Catholic boobs and Episcopalian boobs and Lutheran boobs and Jew boobs and many more so-called “religious” boobs are pushing REFUGEE OVERLOAD on the United States.

    More Debate On Mass Immigration And Refugee Overload!

  217. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.”

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that’s wasn’t an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center.”

    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

  218. Jefferson says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless”

    The irony that the vast majority of the heroes of the Alt-Right like Richard Bowers, Christopher Cantwell, Dylann Roof, Adolf Hitler, etc have fathered ZERO White offsprings.

    The Alt-Right might as well just be cat ladies who happen to hate Jews with their extremely low breeding rate.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  219. @Ron Unz

    Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series – I have the remaining ones bookmarked – but do you have an opinion as to Frank’s guilt?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  220. Mr. Anon says:
    @Realist

    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    Things happen. They don’t all happen for any particular purpose.

    • Replies: @Realist
  221. Mr. Anon says:
    @IHTG

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    No, but it does mean that one’s country will be a country like……………Brazil. That isn’t what our parents had, isn’t what we used to have, and isn’t what any of us wanted.

  222. Jefferson says:

    I remember Alt-Lite Gavin McInnes owned these pathetic childless Alt-Right trolls by saying “I fathered 3 kids, how many fucking children do you have? That’s right ZERO”.

  223. Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society Must Be Shut Down Immediately

    All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Scam Outfits Must Be Shut Down Immediately

    Immigration Moratorium Now!

    Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders Now!

    Stop All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Now!

  224. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ron Unz

    Moreover, there are also plenty of Christian “refugee resettlement” organizations that do the same things that HIAS does. The Catholic and Lutheran churches are especially egregious offenders.

  225. GW says:
    @Jack D

    Consequentialism has to be the worst form of moral reasoning.

  226. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    A post-Zionist Israel doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

  227. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Would you ask the same question of the Palestinians? Or of the American Indians?

  228. DFH says:
    @Lot

    such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler

    Good you specified, otherwise we might have thought the murderer was a Knausgård fan!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  229. notanon says:
    @Realist

    i think there will be people engaged in a strategy of tension to repeal the 1A and 2A but i think the media’s hysterical reporting over the last two years has been enough to generate most of it.

    (i’m not saying there hasn’t been any bad guy involvement e.g. Las Vegas, Parkland etc but i think a lot of it is just unstable people being triggered by the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence)

  230. @Lot

    Well, I don’t have much personal knowledge of the 60z white flight but wasn’t that driven by black crime or the fear of black crime as opposed to a spate of targeted anti-white murders plotted by political figures? Add the trend of suburbanisation and the administrative incompetence of black politicians and it’s not an ethnic cleansing that happened by wilful design.

  231. notanon says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    so you’d agree the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump hatred is likely to lead to violence – either directly or as a reaction?

  232. Mr. Anon says:
    @George

    From the Wiki page on the Pike County murders:

    “Investigators believe the murders were premeditated, and that the perpetrators were known to the Rhoden family. On April 25, the Ohio Attorney General’s office confirmed the presence of marijuana growth and cockfighting operations at some of the crime scenes,….”

    Marijuana and cockfighting……………in rural Ohio. Gee I wonder what kind of people the Rhodens were mixed up with?

  233. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Well this is a pretty sensible post.

  234. notanon says:
    @TomInNOLA

    maybe he was initially triggered by films like Django?

  235. BenKenobi says:
    @Lot

    Well, you see, I’m a Moderate White. I don’t support those Extremist Whites, you see. Whites are a valued part of our multicultural, plural society. We cannot condemn all Whites for the actions of a few bad apples.

    #notallWhites

  236. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    Killing one another sounds like a very “Roman Empire” sort of thing to do.

  237. notanon says:
    @Lurker

    hasn’t the biggest cause of death for white middle aged blue collar males over the last 20 years or so been suicide?

    suicide becoming political?

  238. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including . . . antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler **)”

    ** ostensibly written by AH but documented to have had the full encouragement and editorial and financial support from Franklin Roosevelt’s Harvard pal and lunch mate Putzi Hanfstaengel

    but, but, Mein Kampf was a forgery, ain’t that right?

    Mostly rambling nonsense from an uneducated nut-job, and with very little truth in it, but taken as gospel, for all that: ask any ten Jews: nine will tell you that der Führer laid out plans for holocaust in MK, which is why Jewish elites starting talking about Hitler’s plans to “exterminate all the Jews” at least as early as May 12, 1933, way before NSDAP had consolidated power –

    http://www.untermyergardens.org/uploads/2/5/8/5/25851288/untermyer-hitler.pdf

    In his [May 12] address, Untermyer described Germany’s policy towards its Jewish citizens as a “cruel campaign of extermination.” . . .

    I have given considerable study to this subject and gathered a mass
    of information, all leading to the conclusion that the Hitler party
    is bent upon the extermination of the Jews in Germany,
    or upon
    driving them out of the country.

    (The date is significant inasmuch as Louis Brandeis had directed by- or on- February 14, 1933, that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 Jews must leave.”)

    otoh, Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.
    Mostly true, but a forgery.
    Yet anyone who takes any part of Protocols for gospel truth is a raging antisemite.

  239. @Lot

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home…..such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler…”

    Does reading about building a house make one a carpenter? Does reading about a politician make one a politician? Does reading about a rape make one a rapist?

  240. ATBOTL says:
    @IHTG

    Wasn’t there another guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh around 15-20 years ago? I seem to recall something like that happening. I think this shooter was an immigration attorney and may have been insane. Does anyone remember that case?

  241. Realist says:
    @GW

    Then there are all the people Jews have slaughtered in the Middle East.

  242. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bill P

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    Huh? How do you figure that? There’s a whole generation alive today who’s history and mythology consists of Marvel and DC Comic book movies. It’s not uncommon nowadays to find grown men talking about the latest Avengers movie as if it were f**king Tolstoi.

  243. @Jefferson

    …the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer…

    Self-proclaimed, and only recognized as such by Fake News.

  244. Matra says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s mostly forgotten now but a Pakistani Muslim shot a few Jews, one fatally, in 2006: 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation building

  245. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

    How so?

  246. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    It might be time for you to lay a little low.

    I think you are a rare man in terms of your honesty and your intelligence.

    But you publish information that could certainly be considered anti-Semitic.

    You were wondering why the ADL was not going after you?

    They will be going after you now for sure.

    And they will have the full support of the US government and the leaders who have taken an oath to support the constitution.

    Count on it.

  247. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    What does that mean – “within American First Amendment traditions”? Is that some subtle way of saying you favor suppressing speech that you consider to be anti-semitic? Or is it an unsubtle way of saying it?

    “First Amendment Traditions” – i.e., the traditions founded by my people, not yours.

  248. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH

    I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?

    Alternatively, are such people and groups responsible for creating the climate and conditions that drove this guy to violence?

    • Replies: @JackOH
  249. Rosie says:

    I have a question for all you istevers.

    Is it remotely possible to fail to notice that:

    (1) When ethnic minorities commit atrocities, the legacy media insists that we not crack down on them. But

    (2) When Whites commit atrocities against ethnic minorities, the legacy media demands a crackdown on Whites.

    I realize you all are aware of this, because like me, you’re more apt to notice these things, but is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?

  250. @Rosie

    is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    You have been reported to the Ministry of Goodthink.  Facts and reasoning are counter-revolutionary patriarchal constructs and instruments of oppression against minorities.  Ignorance is Strength.

  251. Doug says:
    @Ron Unz

    > Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Ron Unz’s schtick is getting tiresomely repetitive and obvious. The gist is Mr. Unz says something like “Hey guys, everybody thinks [X] but I read this [Source Y] and can’t find any mention of [X].” Oh wait… when you actually bother to read [Source Y] it turns out that Unz was full of shit. Either Unz’s reading comprehension is severely lacking given his self-described 200 IQ… Or he’s just plain outright lying and misrepresenting things for whatever self-serving ideological agenda he has this week.

    Let’s actually consult the Wikipedia article in question. It’s available here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

    Well, let’s just jump right down to the “Hate Crime” subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:

    > On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying “Heil Hitler”.[86]

    Don’t worry, I’m sure Unz has some sort of schizophrenic justification for why this doesn’t count. Maybe a vague Usenet post from 1994 or a made up unsourced factoid from a poorly formatted white supremacist pamphlet that actually proves this was a false flag operation by Mossad.

  252. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

    Who wants to “push back” on the First Amendment? Who says that we are going to do that, or want to, or should? Not I, certainly.

    And the solution to the problem of the ethnic dissolution of western countries is not to ban burkas. It’s to ban the immigration of the kinds of people who wear burkas.

  253. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Hottest take I’ve seen so far:

    At least White people never have to worry about a shooter targeting a space meant specifically for them, since those aren’t allowed to exist #WhitePrivilege— Jay Lorenz (@LorenzFTN) October 28, 2018

    • Replies: @Marty T
  254. @Johnson

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you have eaten some bananas in your lifetime. So have I. Ergo we’re both serial hate killers biding our time.

  255. @Ron Unz

    Can we start distributing little pins to the pro-White “Good Jews”? (Because arm patches would be bad optics).

    Stuff like this is obviously bad for the right, and it could have been my kids in there yada yada (though I’ll be packing when/if my sons go to Temple). That said, to quote Chris Rock “I wish they’d let me join the Klu Klux Klan…S&%#, I’d do a drive-by from here to Brooklyn.” Good Jews can hate the Bad Jews just as much as the Bad Whites hate the Bad Jews (this labeling can get pretty confusing).

    There’s no hard Jewish conspiracy that I’m aware of. If I find out about one, I promise to disclose all of its secrets right here on iSteve. No, just a lot of powerful and influential Jews that hate the West and hate Whitey. Likewise there are a lot of Blacks that have low IQs and are filled with resentment (by those same Jews). Just humans being tribal + leftist religion (the Religion of Equality as I call it) + a country that no longer has a clear ethnic majority. (I’m starting to think somewhere around 80% is some universal threshold for homogeneity that human societies need to function without too much ethnic strife)

    I’m not sure if there’s a place for smarter than average conservative Blacks in an ideal America, but I think there’s room for a handful of right-wing, pro-White/pro-Western Jews.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jack D
  256. Marty T says:

    These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.

  257. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same.

    John Wilkes Booth hardly belongs in that list. He wasn’t an incel or a loser. He wasn’t a mass murderer. He was a political assassin. He viewed himself as a modern Brutus to Lincoln’s Caesar. One may agree or disagree with his actions, but it is not the same thing.

  258. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carl

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?

    How do we distinguish between “violent psychopath” political violence and non-psychopath political violence?

    How many thousands or millions of Muslims have Israel and its attack dog in the Middle East killed?

    • Replies: @Anon
  259. Eagle Eye says:
    @Ron Unz

    The whole incident is far too pat, and the timing – at the peak of early voting – is too neat. Whatever the subjective motivation of the patsy, this was NOT a spontaneous event, but a carefully planned operation, probably to rile up anxiety and shore up the Democrat vote.

    Not coincidentally, the incident was also planned to prepare the ground for a comprehensive gun ban, and for further censorship of competing social media (GAB.ai).

    As Mr. Unz noted, anti-Semitism in the U.S. does not seem to have resulted in any verifiable murders. This is statistically astounding: let’s assume some 2 per cent of the population are Jewish, and only half (1 percent) are readily identifiable as Jewish to non-Jewish strangers. Also, let’s assume only 1 percent of the population carry serious anti-Jewish animus. Thus, conservatively, we would have:

    1. Three million (3,000,000) Jew haters and

    2. three million (3,000,000) identifiable Jews,

    yet no clear anti-Semitic murder seems to have been documented over the past 100 years.

    Now, suddenly a few days before an election, we have the Left’s wet dream: a single incident in a house of worship with multiple sympathetic victims, an “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle,” postings on a Twitter rival, etc. THE WHOLE SCENARIO SCREAMS FALSE FLAG.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  260. J1234 says:

    Lunatics are a risk in a free and open society the way auto accidents are a risk in a technologically advanced society. There’s probably no way around this, if we’re being realistic. What was the political statement that set off Adam Lanza, the killer of first graders? None. Other mass killers are some lesser version of Adam Lanza, the difference being that they need some external motivation to justify their desire to commit criminal violence and attain infamy. Murdering defenseless worshipers isn’t very far off from murdering defenseless children.

    It probably has to do with an inability to cope. Members of a society that has strong foundations in the Christian faith can probably cope better on a personal level than in a society that has little or declining faith.

    The inability to cope also draws people towards radicalism, where all the answers are simple and one dimensional, and you can dwell in a world of pure emotion. I don’t go along with this “Jews are to blame for most problems” mindset, not because it’s immoral or something, but because it’s simplistic, and therefore unlikely to approximate reality.

    Having said that, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t prominent and influential Jews out there who use their influence to try to divert any negative press away from everything Jewish, and act purely in an ethnocentric way. Why wouldn’t there be? There are Hindus and Mormons and Christians who do the same thing.

    I’ve never had the impression that Steve’s Jewish critical blogs fit the profile of “Jews are to blame.” They fit the profile of challenging power and influence – which some Jews certainly have (in great quantity) – and exposing the corruption that sometimes accompanies power and influence. That’s supposed to happen in a free and open society. That some freak will glom onto one aspect of the message and – through the magic of radicalism – corrupt it into something evil and deadly has to be a risk that we accept and live with in a free and open society. Trying to combat the mentality of radicalism is far more important than combating racism, etc.

    The people who are really sweating right now are the gun rights people, like me. The left, once again, won’t let a good crisis go to waste and will try to conflate multiple issues while emotions are high. Regardless, my prayers are with the loved ones of those lost and those who’ve been injured.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Kylie
  261. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The average person can’t remember who the last Vice President before the current one was, but you want them to recollect the tone and substance of mass media coverage from random incidents years ago?

    To the original post, am I supposed to notice a contradiction here? Supporting Trump is hardly a sine qua non for being labeled “right wing.”

  262. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jefferson

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics.

    Quite true. There are some bright peole on the alt-right too. You’d think they would have figured that out.

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier.

    That is also true. However there are lots of people – millions actually – on the mainstream right, who – though perfectly sane – are supporting politicians and policies that are undermining nearly everything they hold dear and which will ultimately destroy their country and their civilization.

  263. @Doug

    The two Jews going to a church were killed by Yahweh? because it wasn’t a synagogue?

    Ok but I do see your point about Unz having an IQ of 200.

  264. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    That’s an interesting claim: “Made with %100 Beef”. The worthless “collectible” coins sold by the Franklin Mint are “made with %100 silver”, but the coin itself is not actually 100% silver.

  265. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    What were this guy’s grievances? One tweet I saw indicated he was upset about mass immigration and Jewish support of it.

    Would Jewish individuals and organizations speaking out publicly against open borders and anti-White propaganda help lower the risk of something like this happening? When was the last time the ADL went after an anti-White statement or screed in the NYT, Washington Post, or elsewhere?

  266. @Tim Howells

    That’s an impressive set of false flags. The difference is that the Cuban government is a foreign government, not an American administration elected according to US electoral law.

    Something like this – or even a tenth or twentieth of it – directed against an elected administration and discovered, would surely constitute treason, and would surely attract sanction up to and including the death penalty. “He who draws his sword against his prince should throw away the scabbard” as Machiavelli put it.

    I suppose it’s just possible. There are a lot of Remain voters over here who are quite open about their desire to stop the implementation of the Leave vote. They aren’t even thinking about what that implies about their commitment to democracy.

    (On the amazing utility of the fake bomb MAGAman and the recent shooting to the anti-Right cause, I guess we should remember that a lot of things happened under Obama that didn’t help the left – the Ferguson riots and murder of police were pretty poor optics for Dems even when Obama had the media in his pocket. “Events, dear boy, events” said MacMillan.)

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
  267. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Blaming Unz dot com. Pathetic cretin you are! SHAME.

  268. istevefan says:
    @Lot

    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates.

    If memory recalls he actually ended up shooting Gentiles. He apparently could not distinguish them from Jews.

  269. Ron Unz says:
    @Doug

    Well, let’s just jump right down to the “Hate Crime” subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:

    > On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying “Heil Hitler”.[86]

    Sure, I actually included exactly that very incident in my comment, since it was mentioned in the NYT article. Except, just as I said, none of the three people killed in that anti-Semitic attack were Jewish.

    Look, over the last 30 years there have probably been over 500,000 homicides in America, including a very long list of mass-killings targeting people for all sorts of different reasons, including religion, ethnicity, sexuality, race, immigration-status, and almost anything else.

    I’d certainly think that at least a handful of those 500,000 murder victims were killed because they were Jewish, but off-hand not a single example comes to mind. I’d also suggest that anyone immersed in the MSM during those decades would certainly assume otherwise.

  270. @IHTG

    Great. Thank you, thank you on behalf of all angery white male deplorables.

    We Can Make America Great Like Brazil.

    With friends like you…

  271. istevefan says:

    Regarding the current state of what passes for the United States of America, I give you this this from the late Patrick Swayze.

  272. Dissident says:

    Why the sarcasm, Mr. Sailer?

    Is this not one case where the characterization “Anti-Semitic far right terrorist” is more accurate than not?

  273. sabril says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m pretty confident that the internet is radicalizing a lot of people on both the left and right. I hope this guy wasn’t an iSteve commenter, because that will probably end me up on some government list of potential troublemakers.

    It’s a hell of a problem. Except for halfsigma’s blog and to a lesser extent slatestarcodex every other discussion forum either silences those who disagree with the Left or allows anti-Semites to spew their nonsense.

    Personally I would rather swim with the anti-Semites as I think the Left is a much bigger threat, But if there is another shooting like this I will re-think things.

  274. @Jack D

    There’s no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it’s also given good ideas more exposure. And there’s no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn’t end up being “worse than the disease”.

    iSteve is at once a purveyer of the worst ideas and of some of the best.

    Thanks to my iSteve habit, I understand exactly where Robert Bowers was coming from. If there were no iSteve, I’d be scratching my head like everyone else.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  275. donut says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them” . You’re right . Why do you suppose that is . The only ruins of any civilizations in Sub-Saharan Africa are termite mounds .

  276. Doug says:
    @Lurker

    Except if all of these events were false flags, where the hell’s the evidence. Do you have any idea how many totally obsessed culture warriors with Aspergers are poring over the minute details of every single news headline?

    4Chan was able to fine Shia Labeouf in the middle of the the Tennessee wilderness based on the patterns of stars. They were able to reveal the location of an ISIS base camp to the Russia Air Force based on the angle of a cell tower in the distant background of a picture.

    I’m not saying that the Men in Black would never be able to get away with some staged incident. But if false flags were even as tenth as common as Internet keyboard conspiracy theorists suggest, there should be signs somewhere. I’m not even talking about conclusive proof, I’m just talking about something that makes rational, sane people scratch their heads.

    So either there’s one of two conclusions. One, far less plausible conclusion, is that the Men in Black are are the most efficient and effective shadow-dwelling force in the history of the world. They never make mistakes, they execute perfectly, there’s no leaks or threads left unturned. That almost certainly means that the forces of truth and justice are totally outmatched. Even if we speculate about them being behind whatever happens, we have no hope of ever catching, let alone exposing them. Might as well just lie back and take it.

    The other conclusion is Occam’s razor. There’s 300 million people in this country, and human personalities span a very wide range. At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors. At any given point that means there’s hundreds of competent chaotic evil Americans, most of whom will go on to do something atrocious. Mass shooting, serial killing, chaining up some random person in their basement for decades, etc.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  277. @Doug

    You missed the attack on the Seattle Jewish Federation, in 2006, that killed one and wounded about six. And the attack at the El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles in 2002, that killed two.

    You’ve summed up Ron’s way of thinking pretty well.

  278. @Thomas

    Yes, it was interesting how the mainstream media ramped up its anti-gun rhetoric after a lunatic gang-banger shot up a plurality-Jewish high school. Kind of reinforces the “Jewish controlled media” stereotype, doesn’t it? We should prepare ourselves for even more unhinged propaganda this time.

  279. Achilles says:

    When one considers the hatred toward whites and toward traditional America promulgated through public education, our universities, Hollywood and the mainstream media it’s amazing that there has been so little reactionary violence.

    White Americans have responded, albeit feebly, pretty much exclusively through the political process. I think what it demonstrates is the extraordinary commitment the American people have had throughout our history to the rule of law and peaceful political processes, one that is almost unique.

    Our revolution for the most part was organized politically under color of law using representative institutions and our chief complaint against the mother country was unfair denial of participation in the lawful political process.

    Even the Civil War, the bloodiest event in American history, was fought through legal institutions such as state governments and county-commissioned regiments and turned heavily on legal questions such as whether a right of secession by a state was implied in the Constitution.

    Violence by whites to achieve political goals outside of representative political institutions, such as that of John Brown and his opponents in Kansas, is notable because it has been so relatively unusual.

    Even the lynchings of which so much is made by the dominant anti-white coalition in the media amounted to less than just a couple of bad years of homicides under our unesteemed former NYC Mayor Dinkins.

    Generally political violence in the US has been by deluded Marxists of one stripe or another (anarchists, the so-called labor movement, the New Left, etc.) or blacks rioting under the incitement of the mainstream media organs (Ferguson, the LA riot, 60s urban riots, etc.).

    Something that I have long thought remarkable is the restraint by ordinary Americans in the face of often brazenly open drug-dealing. Why don’t neighborhood dads ever organize a little posse, go down to the parking lot at the local high school and simply put a bullet in the head of the person selling heroin to the high school kids?

    Again, it goes back to the remarkable commitment white Americans have had to the rule of law. We understand that such an act is still murder, and not justified, at least so long as we have a somewhat decent justice system.

    This unusual commitment of Americans to the rule of law and the political process in our history is insufficiently appreciated because of the grossly distorted narratives retailed in the media and educational system.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Dtbb
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
  280. Marty T says:
    @Bill P

    “The Jews” of the present and future are comprised of (1) partial Jews with substantial gentile or asian ancestry and (2) mostly right wing orthodox and hasidic. The Jew-haters who post here spout tropes from half a century ago.

    And here’s a tip – because many of the smarter whites will have some jewish ancestry, the right (and alt-right) will need them on their side. At least some of them.

    • Agree: Lot
  281. @Ron Unz

    That’s probably more for reasons of social class than anything. Jews, being on average more financially successful, would likely tend to live in safer neighborhoods.

  282. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    So your premise is that unstable violent crazies can be safe sane people. And all we have to do to achieve that is a little bit of not having the Constitution any more. And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn’t count because, of course, when we jettison the Constitution we’re also jettisonning equal protection.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  283. @IHTG

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
    ——————————–
    It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like myself cannot live a life of dignity but that is what it will mean in reality. In the last three years alone I have been told the following by recent non-white immigrants:
    1. America is a sick place because it once contained segregation and slavery and people like me will pay because of those facts.
    2. That there was nothing in the founding documents that said that English had to be the national language.
    3. Islamic immigrants told me that when they are in the majority that they are in opposition to free speech because it could allow blasphemy.
    Online I have been told by white conservatives on Nationalreview’s website that I am a white nationalist for opposing the absurdity of disparate impact and been threatened for my viewpoint.

    The elite seem to want to do nothing to encourage assimilation or any values other than demanding that I puke on our history and culture, so yes if things continue that will mean I would probably not be able to live a life of dignity if things continue the way we are going.

  284. Whiskey says: • Website

    Violence, sadly, works. It works when the sources of violence are extremely hard to find, infiltrate, and control. The FBI was able to completely crush the Klan when given the orders; it has largely failed to combat Muslim violence failing to stop: the 1993 WTC bombing, 9/11, the Tsarnaev Brothers, the San Bernadino married couple shooting of a Christmas Party at the office (13 dead) and Major Hassan at Fort Hood (also 13 dead). Mixed in were the shootings and deaths in a TN Armed Forces recruitment station, and various killings in the Pacific Northwest by lone wolf Jihadis and various near misses in NYC where bombs failed to go off.

    What has been the result? Obama jailed a film maker for making a movie that insulted Mohammed and Islam. You might remember that. And doing either will get you a jail sentence in the US and the UK. Muslim violence worked because it demanded and got the submission by the State.

    Black violence, too numerous to mention, has criminalized any negative speech about Black people. Any time, any where. Black people through violent action against innocent Whites demanded and got submission by the State.

    These things have not gone un-noticed by White men who really, really want to kill someone and go out in a blaze of glory. Anders Breivik, this dude, Dylan Roof. And the massive publicity the media is pouring over this dude guarantees a copy cat. A desire to be famous, kill people, and help gain submission by the State is not just limited to Muslim and Black people. It cannot be denied how successful past violent campaigns have been.

    I’m sure a Blue Wave will come, and abolish the 1st and 2nd Amendment. Rod Rosenstein and Jeff Sessions may remove Trump and Pence and install “interim for life” President Obama because Russians and reasons, or something. It won’t matter. It is trivially easy to construct all sorts of weapons of mass destruction as the 1993 WTC bombers demonstrated. And given the over pursuit of White men into the weeds there will be no shortage of dudes with nothing to lose and everything to gain by killing lots and lots of innocent people who are defenseless.

    The FBI could crack easily the Klan because it had a well known and easily infiltrated social network. Muslim terror groups not so much because it depended on cousin kin-groups and the FBI itself was already infiltrated in counter-fashion by such groups as it recruited Muslim Arabic or Pushtun speakers to help go after terror networks. The same failure occurred in France. Black terror action was essentially impossible to infiltrate as it was lone wolf chaotic and thus non-predictable. The same holds true for this guy, James Hodgkins who shot Steve Scalise and the Congressional Republicans, the Vegas Bernie Bro who shot and killed all those Trump supporters, etc. Now we are seeing likely the first wave of the Breivik types.

    Instapundit has warned of this dynamic for years. Over a decade in fact. Extreme atomization cuts both ways — it prevents political action but allows for a million Charles Gitueaus and Leon Czgolz types. There is no shortage of soft targets either.

    How to combat this? Stuff everyone’s mouth with gold. Even that crazy dude if he had lots of stuff — a boat, a new car, a nice house, and none of it was at risk, would have just turned on the TV to catch the series than kill a bunch of people he didn’t even know. Even crazy people like money. Second crack down on Muslim, and Black and anti fa violence very publicly so there is no more anarcho-tyranny. Our globalist masters want none of that so be prepared for a war of all against all.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  285. Wilkey says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them”

    So how does that make whites in America or Great Britain responsible for the crimes of a German regime they fought to destroy?

  286. anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron – Regarding your recent series of essays on Jews, have you asked yourself a few principled questions just to run a modest sanity check on yourself? Here are a couple of self-directed questions that I humbly suggest as straightforward examples:

    • “Given my stated belief that Jews worship Satan, would I be willing to consider reading primary Jewish religious texts in order to confirm whether that claim is true?”

    • “Given my stated inclination that the Holocaust was a hoax, would I be willing to consider the veracity of WWII era census data, photos, survivor testimony and documents such as Goebbels’ diaries as evidence of Nazi perpetrated genocide?”

    If on a gut level, you would *NOT* ask yourself such highly reasonable questions (and answer in the affirmative), among other fair minded questions, can you see how your readers might question your motives and your judgement?

    Given the enormous amount of time and energy you have put into building your body of written work over many years, why on earth would you put your credibility and reputation at risk – as you must be aware on some level you are doing – without taking such reasonable, sanity check precautions?

  287. J.Ross says: • Website

    Will Trump calling for the death penalty (as Sessions rightly and immediately has) split the Democrats? I mean besides at NPR, at NPR they’ll note that the guy hated Trump and report it as Trump executing his critics.

  288. @Jack D

    Things hit a little close to home and some people are ready to start mutilating the First Amendment. Are we all a bunch of pussies? To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.

    You are a smart man, so you cannot possibly be serious.

    Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us? Have you ever seen us call for that here? No, you haven’t. Instead, we argue against “hate speech” laws and the very concept.

    Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?

    Of course you do. With all due respect, relax.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    , @3g4me
  289. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    4. A Former President of the Synagogue Said that the Department of Homeland Security Have Run Safety Drills at Tree of Life

    As many as 12 people were shot, including four police officers.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers/

  290. bomag says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them

    I’m not completely getting your point, but it only takes one generation to catch up with all this.

    And after catch-up, African societies are plenty deadly. Three million or so were killed in the Nigerian civil war.

  291. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ali Choudhury

    As always you’re right Ali, let’s have millions more victims before rushing to any hasty conclusions.

  292. J.Ross says: • Website
    @George

    As good as it is to be reminded that law enforcement works in hours when politically necessary and not at all when the victins are poor, those look like they are fully explained by drugs and blacks.

  293. @Lot

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown

    I hope not, but I expect that’s exactly what will happen under the next Dem President. And, unlike Trump, he’ll have the whole Justice Dep’t on his side.

    It feels like America is in a race between forces that will bring about a new civil war, and forces that will prevent a civil war by imposing a left-wing totalitarian state.

  294. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Not up to your usual standards, TD.

  295. AKAHorace says:
    @Lot

    Burkha bans are not a good idea. If we are surrounded by people who think that women should dress like that it is to our benefit to know it. The same as flag burning, these things radacalize people on our side.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  296. Dissident says:
    @Rosie

    We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive.

    You would characterize as mere criticism the statements about Jews/ The Jews that have been attributed to Mr. Bowers?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  297. FKA Max says:
    @Ron Unz

    …when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks?

    9/11

    The number of Jews who died in the attacks is variously estimated at between 270 and 400.[152][153][154][155] The lower figure tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area and partial surveys of the victims’ listed religion. The U.S. State Department has published a partial list of 76 in response to claims that fewer Jews/Israelis died in the WTC attacks than should have been present at the time.[152][156] Five Israeli citizens died in the attack.[157]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Israel

  298. Certain groups dream every night about the US government bringing out a blanket law that bans anti-semitism period. Anti-semitism would be anything they wanted to be, from mild criticism of Israeli policy to extreme violence such as this incident. Incidents like this only push us toward such laws. This guy might be a lone wolf, but looking at previous massacres such as the Las Vegas shooting and going back to Columbine, one can’t help but feel that the deep state behind some or most of them.

  299. Doug says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s because the vast vast majority of murders in the United States are hotheads, knuckleheads and gangstas. Crips and bloods taking potshots at each other, disputes over a dice game, someone’s shoes getting scuffed at the club, a crackhead who freaks out in the middle of a robbery. To a first approximation, 0% of murders are for any sort of political or cultural cause. If any murder victim in America was shot for being [X], it’s almost certainly because [X] was associated with some gang in a turf war. The 13th street Black Disciples doing a drive by on the 26th street Puerto Rican Kings isn’t exactly a national tragedy.

    All you’re saying is “well, look, you’re much more likely to be killed by a knucklehead than a lunatic with a political cause.” And that’s absolutely right, but still irrelevant. Statistically, you’re much more likely to die by suicide than homicide. And even more likely by heart disease. Does that make you ignore crime statistics before moving into a new neighborhood? Similarly, knucklehead crime is orders of magnitude larger than terrorism. Do you similarly think major terrorist attacks don’t deserve extensive news coverage?

    And on the topic of explicitly politically motivated crimes, the weight of the evidence is that Jewish Americans are disproportionately targeted. The FBI’s classification of hate crimes isn’t perfect, but it’s a pretty good proxy. The statistics are pretty consistent year over year.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses

    Each year there’s 5-20 hate crime murders in the United States. At 2% of the population, we’d expect no more than 1 Jewish hate crime murder victim every 5 years. The Pittsburgh shooting alone makes 11 victims this year. That’s a 5000% percent over-representation of Jewish victims.

    But it’s fairly difficult to reason about small random numbers. So let’s count all hate crime victims since that gives us a much larger, statistically stable dataset. Again it’s pretty consistent year to year. About 20% of hate crimes are directed against religion, and of those 50-60% are directed against Jews. That alone means Jews constitute 11% of hate crime victims, which is a 400% over-representation given their percentage of the American population.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    , @Rosie
    , @Anon
    , @Rich
  300. eah says:

    I true…ewww.

    • Replies: @djdj
  301. @Bill P

    Unfortunately, the black robes outlawed “separate but equal” back in 1954.

  302. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    I tried to post some Brazilian propaganda and it didn’t get through. But yes good news is coming after all this bad news.

  303. @International Jew

    The ban hammer that comes for Unz and other counter-semites will come from the right and it will come soon. Just because they’re not as bad as the left doesn’t mean that they’re all that hot.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  304. @International Jew

    I too fear a coming attack on speech, but not only from Democrats. Even our president last night said some things that made me nervous.

    It does indeed feel like we are caught in forces of history beyond our control, and it’s not a pleasant feeling.

    A push against free speech would incite even more of this history to happen. It would be best if people with the power to really do such a stupid thing would stop and think and realize that they would only be making things worse.

    My wife lived through a revolution, one that went in a positive direction. I don’t want her to have to live through another one — one that could go the other way.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @L Woods
  305. Jefferson says:
    @Doug

    ” At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors.”

    In a nation of over 330 million people 1% means there are over 3 million potential Robert Bowers and potential Omar Mateens. That’s larger than the population of Chicago. We are a psycho nation.

  306. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I would guess that even among the very few hardcore anti-Semites you’d be hard pressed to find any of them who try to justify any murder, especially mass murder. Also, many who are critical of the Jews come from a conservative Christian tradition (E. Michael Jones, late Joe Sobran, etc.) where committing or even intending harm to anyone is gravely immoral and absolutely prohibited (the decline of Christianity is not good for the Jews in the long run).

    Compare this to Baruch Goldstein, who murdered more than 3 times as many worshippers than the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter. Goldstein murdered 29 Muslim worshipers.

    From Wikipedia:

    At Goldstein’s funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are “not worth a Jewish fingernail”. Samuel Hacohen, a teacher at a Jerusalem college, declared Goldstein the “greatest Jew alive, not in one way, but in every way”, and said that he was “the only one who could do it, the only one who was 100 percent perfect”. Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba declared that Goldstein was “holier than all the martyrs of the Holocaust”.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

    • Replies: @Dissident
  307. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    I see leftists are now openly calling for Trump to be assassinated.

    • Replies: @Anon
  308. @Doug

    Those statistics don’t mean anything. Other behavioral factors could easily explain them. Are Jews more likely to live in densely populated urban areas for instance?

  309. @IHTG

    We should surrender to becoming Brazil? By the way, our project has been working just fine thus far.

  310. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hopefully in their panic they will try to grasp water in bare hands.
    ———
    Victims are possibly being misidentified? A news site had a headline about surviving the Holocaust but not Pittsburgh (just have to cement that connection one more time), then this:

    https://postimg.cc/pyZkPnct

  311. Jefferson says:
    @International Jew

    “There’s no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it’s also given good ideas more exposure. And there’s no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn’t end up being “worse than the disease”.

    No one was silencing Robert Bowers at Gab yet he still went full blown Joseph Goebbels on the Jews. At Gab threatening to murder Jews is as common as the sun rising. Gab is basically the dark web. Gab is like an ISIS website for The Alt-Right.

  312. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s with the Syrian’s barely lethal chemical WMD? Which seem to crop up whenever Assad is close to a major victory.

    This was never a secret conspiracy, it was a big lie right in our faces. We kicked off the Iraq War based on lies. And tried in Syria on multiple occasions.

    The Syria lies have eroded my trust in Government more than historically much more serious lies. Its the blatant obviousness that disturbs me. Is it a conspiracy? That requires secrecy, so no.

  313. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    I see more of the same: denial of internet services by large companies. No twitter, facebook, AWS or Godaddy for you!

    Taking it a step further, the big companies will say “We need to comply with European hate speech regulation. With proxies and other location spoofing, we just can’t allow hate speech anywhere on our networks.”

    That is all driven by the left. The mainstream right will defend their right flank: Tommy Robinson, Geert, Bannon, Pam Geller, etc. Beyond them, they have no interest in preventing censorship but rarely actively support it.

    The final blow will be denial of DNS service to crimethinkers. Sure, you can Tor or bookmark IP addresses. But that kills 95% of the audience.

    Thinking ahead 5 years, Twitter and Facebook have a lot of poorly paid human “content review” censors they are eager to replace with AI. Pretty soon AI will be very good at it as this plays to one of its strengths.

    The current tight labor market is crimping the degree of censorship by employers. Nobody wants to look for a new hire among the unemployed now, and poaching is expensive and not appreciated by the “competitor” employer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  314. Jefferson says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Have white men like us called for speech restrictions”

    Yes actually. Richard Spencer admits there would be NO free speech in his fantasy White ethnostate.
    Which makes sense because free speech did not exist in Nazi Germany either and Richard Spencer sees Nazi Germany as the blueprint for a White ethnostate.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  315. Marty T says:
    @Rosie

    Actually a synagogue is one of those places.

  316. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    In related news, CBC disabled comments on this one. Looks like the driver forgot to paint over the emblem on the truck door.

    A picture is worth a thousand words @ 3m20s

  317. @Ron Unz

    Most of the people he killed seem to have been grandparents, so I doubt they were politically active about much of anything besides not cutting Medicare or Social Security, if they were even up to that. One victim was pushing 100.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  318. @Doug

    What about the Muslim in San Bernardino who got in an argument with a Jewish co-worker, then shot both Christians and Jews at the office “holiday” party? Does that count as a hate crime?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Lot
    , @Ibound1
  319. Jefferson says:
    @Lot

    ““Multiculturalism is just not working out.”

    Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.”

    There are cons and pros to multiculturalism just like most things in life that are not absolutes. The only type of multiculturalism that has 100% cons and 0% pros is Islamic multiculturalism, not even their cuisine is a pro. Muslim food is nowhere near as delicious as Italian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai, Cajun, and Brazilian food for example.

    • Agree: Lot
  320. J.Ross says: • Website

    [Donna Zuckerberg's brother's web site]
    TheShadow69/photos/a.10152279651915255/10156467144085255
    Yoav Eliasi(“The Shadow”) has 390K followers on Facebook, far more than any media/political/activist figure in Israel.
    Today he blamed radical leftist Jews for the attack in Pittsburgh Pa, claiming that their subversive methods and their pushing of illegal migration to western countries is to be blamed for the terror attack yesterday.
    He also blamed the globalist subversive Jews for the holocaust.

  321. @Grahamsno(G64)

    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com…

    Mea culpa. I have been very harsh on the 400,000,000 Semites from Nouadhibou to Ras al-Jinz.

    I didn’t realize, though, that I was curdling blood. I thought it was just the milk in the bladder pouches carried on speeding camels.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @vinteuil
  322. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Well, maybe he has a point: everybody rightly hates those god-damn holiday office parties, and now they’re leading to violence, so perhaps it’s best if we shut them down.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  323. Lot says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    I thought of this and 9-11.

    9-11 was in some part an antisemitic hate crime. European and Muslim antisemitism is virtually always mixed with generic anti-Americanism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  324. Rosie says:
    @Doug

    And on the topic of explicitly politically motivated crimes, the weight of the evidence is that Jewish Americans are disproportionately targeted. The FBI’s classification of hate crimes isn’t perfect, but it’s a pretty good proxy. The statistics are pretty consistent year over year.

    This is the Jewish notion that being murdered because of hate is somehow worse than being murdered for some other reason, such as not being able to afford the type of neighborhood that Jews live in.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Jefferson
  325. @Jefferson

    The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling…

    More likely a manhole cover.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Anon
  326. @Lot

    Looking at your last picture, I find, that America seems to be in dire need of a new brand. I’d propose Luther Big (instead of Calvin Klein, that is – or would that be too brainy? Ok – what about Calvin Big then – simple ‘n’ easy, isn’t it?).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  327. @Lot

    European and Muslim antisemitism is virtually always mixed with generic anti-Americanism.

    It’s just another brick in the wall.

    • LOL: Desiderius
  328. Ron I can think of one explicit anti Semite murder previously that being the murder of the radio host Alan berg. The order, a white supremacist group inspired by the turner diaries was responsible.

  329. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That spoiled milk is called kefir Reg, you damn Kaffir.

    Our Führer called it a different name that never caught on in English for some reason.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  330. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    I linked a WSJ story on NetFlix corporate culture that got moderated, and it connects to your point. Censorship, bullying, namecalling, firing people for their beliefs, and violent rhetoric are all 100% encouraged so long as the targets are white male traditionalists, and big tech corporations lead the way and live their ideals. The NetFlix meetings where employees have to justify their employment but are poisonously enough allowed to criticize their bosses are adapted leftist struggle sessions.

  331. @CAL2

    “Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said.

    No, but we’d do quite well to adopt their immigration policies. Indeed, we had similar ones once, but threw them away.

    Evidently, Portuguese was made official in an early constitution, but that was unnecessary, as limited immigration ensured that even with 200,000,000 people, they’d be among the most monolingual states in the hemisphere, if not the world.

    Also, their music still sounds like music. Ours hasn’t for the last fifty years.

  332. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Jack D

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    Well, it’s *mostly* relatively harmless, if only because guys like Wally are such caricatures that they only inspire a bit of a giggle – and it’s definitely within American first Amendment traditions – but, yes, such talk is potentially dangerous. I wish we could get a little more moderation, at whim, especially on RKU’s & Giraldi’s posts.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Jack D
  333. Dissident says:
    @27 year old

    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    The same statement was made by many of those who defended the actions of the late Baruch Goldstein. Goldstein was the fanatic Zionist settler who, back in 1994, entered a West Bank mosque and massacred the Palestinian civilians who were praying there.

  334. @Tyrion 2

    celebrating the naming of a baby

    You just couldn’t resist, could you? You had to over-egg the pudding. Seems like a thing in some circles.

    What they were actually doing was conducting a genital-mutilation ritual to propitiate a genocidal storm god, who they believe made a pact with an incestuous couple from southern Turkey.

    It might not dawn on people whose cognitive apparatus has been twisted by indoctrination into a “Blut un Rasse, Gott Mit Uns” cult, but it’s actually possible to “celebrat[e] the naming of a baby” without having some charlatan in a silly hat hack at its penis while mumbling drivel, just so that a fictional Sky Maniac is pleased somehow.

    Now it should go without saying (but doesn’t because the internet has an IQ of 100 now): the victims didn’t deserve to die for being adherents to a religion whose canonical texts are full of what their left-leaning provocateurs would call ‘hate speech’ if it was directed towards them.

    Fuck ‘too soon’: it’s terrible that some mentally-ill retard killed these people, but that fact doesn’t make their stupid primitive behaviour acceptable.

    What psychotropic cocktail was Bowers taking? #QuestionsNeverAsked

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  335. L Woods says:
    @vinteuil

    Concern troll is concerned.

  336. @Dieter Kief

    That would take a revival, which we’re actually about due for, but I don’t think it will happen under that brand. Too closely tied to the failing regime.

  337. @Lot

    “Dickmilch”? Come again?

    I think it sounds better in the unpronounceable “Boarisch”:

    https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gschdeglde

    Besides, I was talking about cheese.

  338. @Lot

    Oh wow!

    America seems to be in dire need for a new brand! If I look at the last photo, Luther Big should fit in nicely. And if that might turn out to be too brainy, then why not try Calvin Big: That’d be nice ‘n’ easy – one double brand fits all!

  339. Ibound1 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Every attempted Muslim terror attack or planned attack is a hate crime against the “infidel”, the “kafir”, overwhelmingly Christian. The infidel is the object of hate. How many have their been? Dozens? Hundreds?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @ACommenter
  340. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg (if I may): do you ever stray outside the safe confines of ISteve on this site?

    The sort of commentary that goes down routinely on posts by, e.g., Giraldi & RKU himself is no laughing matter.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  341. @Ron Unz

    America is the only country where “anti-Semites” are more than happy to sell a Jew a gun.

    Wrap your mind, and ammo strap, around that!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  342. @International Jew

    No the most likely thing is muddling through with Trump types. Normals don’t have time for a civil war, it would interfere with too many fantasy leagues.

  343. LondonBob says:

    I see the shills are out in force today with their selective concerns.

  344. @vinteuil

    The embargo on criticism of Jews is Bad for the Jews. It makes you feel more like a ruling class than a protected one. That’s not where you want to be at 2% pop.

    Shutting down Unz will make it worse.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @vinteuil
    , @lysias
    , @J.Ross
  345. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    9-11 was in some part an antisemitic hate crime. European and Muslim antisemitism is virtually always mixed with generic anti-Americanism.

    That’s because the United States is Zionism’s attack dog.

    Physician, heal thyself.

  346. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Lot

    “Dickmilch” is pretty unfortunate.

    And “thick milk” doesn’t sound much more appetizing.

    I’m not sure why; “milk shake” works great!

  347. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Thanks Sailer, for keeping my comments in purgatory while entire discussions continue on. The “I was sleeping all day” excuse doesn’t fly when you’re busy approving scores of other replies and counter replies. Just delete mine at this point.

    I’ll try following the Jefferson, Thomm, Corvinus model of commenting. I’ll be on the fast track to approval in no time.

  348. Ibound1 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Two of the dead were mentally disabled. The killer sure was brave. Old Jews and the retarded.

  349. Jack D says:
    @vinteuil

    Bowers only inspired a bit of a giggle until he didn’t.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  350. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You’re thinking of Jews.

  351. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    Do you feel the same way about All Qaeda sites? How to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom sites?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  352. Dissident says:
    @Lurker

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Your question assumes that such an individual is acting rationally. Is such an assumption a reasonable one to make (a) in general, about someone who does or would perpetrate such violence against civilians and (b) about Mr. Bowers, specifically, given what has been reported about him?

  353. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    “The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.”

    Never let a good Reichstag Fire go to waste, huh? Who needs that freedom of speech stuff?

  354. L Woods says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    A push against free speech would incite even more of this history to happen.

    Which will provide even more justification for the curtailment of civil liberties. Win-win as far as the oligarchy is concerned.

  355. Lowe says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s interesting, isn’t it? If there haven’t been any Ant-Semitic killings in a long time, that means something is different now. Is it something passing, or something permanent?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  356. Neoconned says:

    How did the spooks find these 2 nuts and how did they get them to act in stereotypical crazy fashion a week before the midterms?

    It’s almost as if it were scripted

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  357. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    The embargo on criticism of Jews is Bad for the Jews. It makes you feel more like a ruling class than a protected one. That’s not where you want to be at 2% pop.

    Shutting down Unz will make it worse.

    Agreed – totally. Which is why I’d like to see a little more Sailer-style moderation at whim around here.

    I’ve watched the ever-increasing…contrariness? shall we say?…of some of RKU’s recent posts, and the accompanying commentary, with a mounting fear that this is leading to an effective shut-down of this site, and of ISteve.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anonymous
  358. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Desiderius

    It is a voice inside his head that he has put into the mouth of his fantasy enemy to make himself feel more important. The bloke is a sadistic twit of the sort that people used to simply and justly called “evil”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  359. @Ron Unz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot#Yankel_Rosenbaum_killing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

    The LA shooter produced no dead bodies but not for lack of trying.

    The 2014 shooter mentioned by others in reply to your post killed three Gentiles, but one imagines he thought they were Jews at the time, which is grimly humourous if you think about it.

    Sometimes I do wonder about you, Unz. Are you getting back at some relative?

  360. Tyrion 2 says:
    @vinteuil

    Academic Gossip could be Ron Unz’s inner voice of sanity. A reverse version of the “mother” in the movie Psycho.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  361. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    I have not suggested shutting down this forum. I suggest that
    sane people consider their impact on the less stable before they write or free speech will be one more nice thing that we can t have any more.

    And this includes RKU. Poking the bear is fun until the bear pokes back.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Lot
    , @J.Ross
  362. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Doug

    To a first approximation, 0% of murders are for any sort of political or cultural cause.

    BS. Ending Jim Crow and mass immigration, the two root reasons for the majority of “knucklehead crime”, were / are 100% Jewish political acts.

    How many gentile Whites are killed each year as a result? Care to do a representational calculation of their deaths vs Jews?

    Thought not. Btw, they well exceed eleven people per year. In addition, how many of them do you wager are motivated by the Jewish “white supremacy” propaganda that they turn out as fast as they can? Are the Jews, as a political group, still pure victims in the cases when they are rarely victimized?

    And on the topic of explicitly politically motivated crimes, the weight of the evidence is that Jewish Americans are disproportionately targeted

    Why? Due to innocence? Or due to Jewish political activity that can be traced to deaths and misery of the groups that occassionally target them?

    That alone means Jews constitute 11% of hate crime victims, which is a 400% over-representation given their percentage of the American population.

    You dabble in superficial statistics like your conclusions mean anything (ignoring whether or not you are accurate). Your statement is like stating “group x was killed at 400% of the rate of group y in a war, which means they are victimized at a greater rate”. When there is political action and motivation, “over-representation” is politically meaningless. At best , you are offering a correlative factor to their degree of engagement in political hostility in the American political space. See the Palestinians and their responses to Jews in the Middle East. I suppose that you would take the Jews to be pure victims there as well, as they keep the Palestinians in forever-detention.

    Btw, look for similar measures against Whites once our population gets low enough. These people are master oppressors and will unsentimentally put their practiced systems into place at the first chance. That’s who you are apologizing for.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  363. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil

    Agreed – totally. Which is why I’d like to see a little more Sailer-style moderation at whim around here.

    How about instead we try to address some of these commenters’ concerns, if any are legitimate?

    Mass immigration, anti-White propaganda?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  364. @Desiderius

    Yup just a matter of time before unz is shut down and the internet completely purged. Enjoy it while you can. As soon as Trump is out of office (or May be before) the banhammer will come down, harshly.

  365. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Doug

    Count as what? What are we counting?

    I wish to make sure so that we get the count correct, on both sides.

    Be careful though, because it will take balls for Jews to start counting their miniscule numbers against what we have lost to Jewish politics and wars. Don’t start getting uppity and chastise the wrong groups. The counting might start becoming sincere as a result.

  366. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Murdering someone for sectarian reasons is a crime against society. That you’re privileged to live in a country relatively devoid of that type of violent conflict allows you to not realise that.

    People have always and will always treat it more seriously than ordinary crime.

    I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society. On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.

    Wide and shallow versus deep and narrow.

    Mainstream society is stupid and deluded but the commenters here are a bunch of f*cking psychos. Who can pull the trigger on a 97 year old woman sat in a peaceful city? Why are they exulting in it? I suppose all they have to do is read and believe Unz’s articles…

  367. 3g4me says:
    @prosa123

    @51 prosa123: “It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.”

    Yeah, I too have no love lost for Jerry Rivers, but his expose was a small part of the problem. I had a paternal uncle, a psychologist, whose “proudest achievement” (according to his obituary) was the de-institutionalizing of the mentally ill in his home state. May his corpse rot and his soul burn.

  368. lysias says:
    @Desiderius

    The ruling classes in ancien regime France and tsarist Russia were probably around 2 percent.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  369. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    That’s quite a strawman you’ve thrown up there. One must wonder about the strength of your argument if you felt compelled to put forth such a distortion.

    Why don’t we look at what people are upset about and see if we can address it.

  370. IHTG says:

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Jefferson
  371. lysias says:

    Who is exulting in the murders?

  372. Rosie says:
    @Jack D

    I have not suggested shutting down this forum. I suggest that
    sane people consider their impact on the less stable before they write or free speech will be one more nice thing that we can t have any more.

    And this includes RKU. Poking the bear is fun until the bear pokes back.

    What is your advice to Devlin and his little friends?

    https://www.ajc.com/news/national/what-incel-look-the-anti-woman-movement-behind-multiple-terror-attacks/q32YZbQJQfOfq2AKF8vLBJ/

  373. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Murdering someone for sectarian reasons is a crime against society.

    The Zionists have been doing it for almost 100 years. Some even boast about it. See “price tag” strategy.

    I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society. On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.

    Yes it does, it exceeds it. See Django Unchained.

    Mainstream society is stupid and deluded but the commenters here are a bunch of f*cking psychos. Who can pull the trigger on a 97 year old woman sat in a peaceful city? Why are they exulting in it? I suppose all they have to do is read and believe Unz’s articles…

    No one here is exulting in it. If killing the elderly is a test of depravity, what judgment on those who drop bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Gaza, and the West Bank?

  374. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    People have always and will always treat it more seriously than ordinary crime.

    Sorry not buying it. “People” treat it more seriously because we have a minority occupation government.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Disagree: iffen
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  375. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    For some bears the poking back is the best part.

  376. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    As the ADL might so calmly put it when a Jew is a naughty boy: “this type of violence (or speech) is counterproductive”.

    However, you are unduly discounting the fact that the Jewish war of attrition on whites is carried out via political influence, wealth, and pressure that, at its root, was and is possible because they chose to wedge their way into multiple societies while refusing to integrate.

    Their indirect acts of murder through political policy and influence completely eclipses any death toll through random terrorism, and yet eleven deaths would have you waive your rights to or avenues of free speech? Do you know who you are fighting, exactly?

    The very intentional Jewish inflicted death toll on Americans during the USS Liberty incident, alone, is not yet nearly met with equal reprisal: if you want to get technical and start counting (not what I’m suggesting). And you wish to give up your free speech?

    What benefit did American Whites gain from giving up 500k men in WWII? How about for giving up 500k men in the civil War? We gained a stronger war against us, is what.

    You aren’t meant for the reality of the political world, with all due respect.

  377. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    A huge reason for the Trumpening was that all those credentialled coastal knowitalls had absolutely no idea that anyone disagreed with them. Their answer now is like that of Brezhnev in the Soviet history train metaphor: “close the window curtains!”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  378. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Read a history book.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
  379. anon[336] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Is it your opinion that Unz is no better than Stormfront?
    It doesn’t strike me that way at all.

  380. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    What you propose is that people be held responsible for the behavior of crazies. Under what legal system and theory of psychiatry does that work? And will any mainstream journalists at all — you know, the ones talking incessantly about assassinating the President, poisoning water supplies and mass-castrating virgins, starting unwinnable or nuclear wars, and so on — have to worry about this policy, or is it just for the farm animals?

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  381. @Tyrion 2

    No he was just quoting himself.

    There are people who make billions getting Jews stirred up about anti-Semitism, just as there are those who make billions getting gentiles stirred up about all kinds of random shit. Some of them – see Dees, Morris – are equal opportunity grifters.

    The ban on criticisizing Jews as Jews takes the brake off the former and stirs up the unstable, because it is conspicuously special treatment in a society that is used to being no-holds-barred criticism-wise*. That’s what he was alluding to.

    * – of course blacks have enjoyed it to, but no one is about to mistake blacks for a ruling class. It is to the credit of Jews that they can credibly be portrayed as such.

  382. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Read a history book.

    Not that it would make any difference either way. There is no moral reason to care more about one cold-blooded murder than another. Minorities like to monopolize victimhood.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    , @Tyrion 2
  383. Rich says:
    @Doug

    If I’m not mistaken, weren’t most of those “hate” crimes committed by an Israeli kid? You probably don’t remember it, but a couple of years ago 24 Christians were murdered at a Church service in Texas, so we’ve still got you beat.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  384. IHTG says:
    @Rosie

    I think there’s a difference between these two things:

    1) Exaggerating the prevalence of racist and antisemitic violence (what the left does to tar white people with a brush).

    2) Treating such violence with the appropriate seriousness on those rare occasions when it does occur.

    The toughest ethno-nationalist governments tend to take #2 very seriously. It’s a law and order thing. The message to minorities is: We guarantee your safety, so you better do what we say.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Rosie
  385. Jefferson says:
    @Rosie

    “This is the Jewish notion that being murdered because of hate is somehow worse than being murdered for some other reason, such as not being able to afford the type of neighborhood that Jews live in.”

    If we were to accept that most Blacks can not afford to live in nice neighborhoods because of nature and IQ, we can assume the same applies to you and other underclass White trash.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Rational
  386. 3g4me says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    @91 Buzz Mohawk: “To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.”

    But Jack’s not at all concerned with limiting his freedom of speech, its YOURS (and mine) that he wants to reduce.

    “Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?”

    You make the classic error of assuming that, since Jack D was born on America’s magic dirt, he holds those men and their ideas as a sacred part of his adoptive ancestry. On the contrary, his body of comments clearly demonstrates that the ancestry and values he holds sacred are not American at all. This is neither surprising nor unnatural, but it is prima facie evidence of why multiculturalism and religious pluralism doomed America from the start.

  387. iffen says:
    @Lot

    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates.

    LOL

    BTW price/quality wise Whoppers are okay.

  388. Anon[711] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Murdering someone for sectarian reasons is a crime against society.

    What do you think that desegregation, mass immigration, and Israel are about exactly? Murder for sectarian reasons.

    People have always and will always treat it more seriously than ordinary crime.

    No they won’t. The Jewish media variously downplays and promotes all sorts of sectarian murder, according to whatever agenda it needs to meet. Your statement is false on its face.

    I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society.

    Interesting. The American Jewish Congress, as the voice of mainstream political Judaism, and its appendages do not believe what you do. They have invented a “War on White Supremacy” and will use the phrase “White Supremacy” whenever possible, even as they remain exponentially more politically powerful than any White man on the face of the planet.

    The man who wrote a book on “Jewish Supremacy”, in comparison, lives in a trailer in the South and had the Jews successfully associate his very name with immoral beliefs. Consider the contrast. POTUS can barely keep his head above the attacks of the relentless Jewish media.

    On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.

    See above. You cite commentors on a low traffic internet board. In real life, our children are indoctrinated, from every angle, with the belief that they are evil and “supremacist” at the behest of Jewish political groups and influence. So are their minority enemies who go on to engage in mass murder and mayhem in every major American city, every year.

    Your lies here aren’t even effortful.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  389. Clyde says:

    Sarah Silverman: Donald Trump Has Gone ‘Full Hitler’ https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/10/26/sarah-silverman-president-trump-full-hitler/
    Good photo within of her in full fanatic nuttiness.

  390. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?

    TBD

  391. Clyde says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Mainstream society is stupid and deluded but the commenters here are a bunch of f*cking psychos. Who can pull the trigger on a 97 year old woman sat in a peaceful city? Why are they exulting in it? I suppose all they have to do is read and believe Unz’s articles…

    Unz got a large migration and surge of “Nazi” type anti-Semitic posters when the Stormfront site was down for about a month. This took place about a year ago when it got the boot from its hosting company. Not literally Nazi but mostly nutty wannabees.

  392. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Sectarian violence is always and everywhere taken more seriously. That is a fact. The reasons are complex but it has traditionally had nothing to do with minoritarianism and everything to do with maintaining order; which is the conservative priority above all.

    An ordinary murder is an impingement of order but a sectarian crime is a threat to social order in general.

    Just because the libs do something, it doesn’t make it wrong.

    I can promise you that Catholics murdering Protestants and Protestants murdering Catholics is a lot bigger news in Northern Ireland than murders not so obviously in the service of social chaos.

    Spergy arguments of a killing is a killing don’t cut it in the real world.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  393. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society. On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.

    blue cheka journalists on social media sites like twitter regularly say things like white women carrying white male babies should abort them.

    this is something many people may not realize – in the last few years tens of millions of people have witnessed with their own eyes the anti-white double standard over hate speech enforced by social media and this has hardened opinion quite dramatically.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  394. FKA Max says:
    @Ron Unz

    Here is another resource that might be helpful in your research, Mr. Unz:

    Terrorist Incidents and Attacks Against Jews and Israelis in the United States 1969-2016

    http://archive.is/sQqxm

    Jewish targets often serve as precursors to larger attacks: Perpetrators of well-known larger attacks, such as the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, were first involved in anti-Jewish incidentshttp://archive.is/sQqxm#selection-1477.0-1499.53

  395. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Serious Question: Why are conservatives morons? I really want to know.

    Before getting upset, consider the question and what I have to say carefully. I see on this comment thread posters lamenting an incoming crackdown on freedom of speech. I see other guys questioning whether or not they will fight for their freedoms. I see people questioning whether dissident sites like this one will be shut down. Some also speculated that political dissidents will even be banned from using the internet entirely. All of these comments, however, miss a fundamental point. Take for example the following comment:

    “Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?”

    The fundamental point Mr. Mohawk is missing? Guys like Patrick Henry (and Gandhi and King and all the rest) weren’t merely fighting for the nebulous concept of “freedom”, an unachievable goal by itself. They were all fighting to overthrow an oppressive system that prevented them from exercising those aspirations while, more importantly, fighting for a new system that would allow for those goals to be implemented; in the case of Gandhi and Henry, this was done through an independence movement pitting their neighboring kin against more distant, less connected, kin or foreigners. With that in mind, what sense does it make to continue along the current path? What I’ve seen from right-wingers is a bunch of pie-in-the-sky about nebulous “freedoms” while simultaneously fighting to preserve the very system which is about to deprive them of said “freedoms.” What sense does that make and why do conservatives continue along this doomed route? Is it just me? Do you not see the logic in this? Do I not understand something? Please explain this to me.

    AND

    “It feels like America is in a race between forces that will bring about a new civil war, and forces that will prevent a civil war by imposing a left-wing totalitarian state.”

    I have seen exactly this type of comment broached in detail by another commenter on one of these other threads months and even years ago, might have been one of Roberts’s columns. The poster predicted exactly this would happen and explained why; he also laid out the chilling future history of this country in detail. He then offered a simple solution guys like Patrick Henry once supported themselves: secession. However, he was ignored and even lightly mocked for the suggestion. Figures, I guess. Seems there is always a Cassandra to be ignored back when it would have made a difference.

    AND

    The entirety of the so-called alt-right. All of it, basically. Just what do you people want? What’s your endgame? What’s your plan? Do you have any organizational structure to make it happen, besides some rinky dink websites? Have you even given it thought? Take, for example, the alt-right Proud Boys, just one of many possible examples. What was their goal? Does anyone know? Do they? Was it to sit around and attack people in the streets thinking the government wouldn’t respond, even if they were merely defending themselves? Logically, wouldn’t it have been better to put their efforts into an achievable goal where their aspirations could be realized? Wouldn’t having such an achievable end goal reduce the probability of deranged maniacs like this Synagogue shooter because they’d have some hope for the future, something to take up their time with? I don’t get this. Please explain because I’m at a loss here. I feel like a puzzled Agent Smith questioning Neo on a subject he fundamentally doesn’t get. Why, why, why? This is an academic question. I am genuinely puzzled.

    AND

    Question: do you guys really think that voting for a guy like Donald Trump is going to help you out? What exactly do you think this guy can or will do and what do you think the probability is that he can do it, whatever it is, even if he were so inclined? If he cannot do what you want, shouldn’t you either consider someone else or something else?

    AND

    “Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us?”

    Conservatives in many states have supported proposed unconstitutional anti-speech laws that more-or-less criminalize criticism of Israel. The guy you are responding to supported such laws on iSteve, so his comment alluding to banning all criticism of his fellow Jews makes a lot of sense (also unconstitutional). It would seem to me that you conservatives helped to set the very precedent for your own later oppression. I seem to remember a couple of guys here pushing back very hard on this topic but not many. Did the rest of you guys ever bring it up again or do anything to oppose such laws?

    So, I don’t get it. Is there some kind of stupefying field surrounding the planet? Is there really some kind of smart, all-knowing deep state that buys off all the talented smart guys before they cause too much trouble? I guess, yeah. Our Ivy League system. But surely some must fall through the cracks. Is Trump really so charismatic to lull all of you into blissful ignorance? Is it that people are just naturally short-sighted? Explain.

    “There’s 300 million people in this country, and human personalities span a very wide range. At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors.”

    Maybe my questions have already been answered for me.

  396. @Ron Unz

    There was shooting in 1999 at the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center where 5 were wounded and one mail carrier killed by some lunatic.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  397. J.Ross says: • Website

    Now that Bolsonaro has won in Brazil, leftists are setting up the “violent right” lie. If an assembly of ventilation tubing explodes near a shop window just as a bag lady walks by with her shopping cart, it will be reflexively understood by everyone with the programming as bearing out the fear of Bolsonarist violence.
    This particular illustration points up that this never made any sense. Any violent thoughts I may have had evaporated when Trump was elected: why would anyone feel driven to vigilantism when the government is working properly? And by exactly the same token, the antifa mobs make perfect sense in an environmemt where their Hawaiian rug has been rudely yanked out from under them. Their vigilantism is an expression of their felt poweressness. “People will be killed tonight” in Brazil because of decades of leftists doing everything they can to make Brazil dangerous, not because of Bolsobaro, and after a few years of Bolsonaro, Brazil will grow safer.

    https://postimg.cc/SX24Tzz9

  398. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:

    Last year, an atheist went into a church in Texas and killed 26 Christians (more than double the number killed in this synagogue shooting). Nobody cared about those victims. Nobody said we should censor anti-Christian speech or crack down on atheists. White Christian lives don’t matter to the media and politicians.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @David In TN
  399. utu says:

    The level of political awareness of the perpetrator does match the level of stupidity of his crime. Going to a synagogue and killing several Jews was the best he could come up with? A person who writes this:

    First Trump came for the Charlottesville 4 but I kept supporting Trump because he is better than Hillary Clinton.
    Then Trump came for the Rise Above Movement but I kept supporting Trump because he is better than Hillary Clinton.
    Then Trump came for the Proud Boys but I kept supporting Trump because he is better than Hillary Clinton.
    Then Trump came for me and the[re] was no one left to suppor…

    concludes that killing several Jews is going to make some difference? And what did he mean about the optics when he wrote just few hours before:

    “HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people.I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    He was aware that his action will hurt the cause that he identified with.

    He exemplifies true American character that is isolated and his only means of expression is violence:

    “The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.” D.H. Lawrence

    • Replies: @Anon
  400. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    the commenters here are a bunch of f*cking psychos.

    Please, Tyrion2 – I’m a commenter, here, Jack D is a commenter here, Lot is a commenter here – come to think of it, you’re a commenter here.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  401. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    A crazy doing a one-off is not “sectarian violence.” In fact even sectarian violence is subject to numbers. As I said during the rash of Palestinian stabbings a while back in Israel, this proved that Israel won, because even if they hadn’t, uhhh, covered their national founding in the circumstances that attended it, even if they were a “normal country,” there would be some idiot with a knife somewhere.

  402. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    What you propose is that people be held responsible for the behavior of crazies. Under what legal system and theory of psychiatry does that work? And will any mainstream journalists at all — you know, the ones talking incessantly about assassinating the President, poisoning water supplies and mass-castrating virgins, starting unwinnable or nuclear wars, and so on — have to worry about this policy, or is it just for the farm animals?

    Great post. Among other things, it poses the question: If engaging in or promoting violent conduct is the measure of crazy, who is crazy and who is sane?

  403. @Jefferson

    So, it’s your contention that it was Geraldo who actually started the fire?

    • LOL: Carbon blob
  404. Tulip says:

    The problem is there are a bunch of losers who rather than get up off their asses and do something to empower themselves, they decide its the Jews or the Blacks or the Feminists (or the Straights, or the Christians, or the Whites).

    Then when they really bottom out, they go psycho and shoot up a synagogue or something equally stupid.

    You live in the free-est country in the world, lots of opportunities, free speech, freedom of religion. If you life sucks, its your fault.

    If you want to know the real enemy, look in a mirror loser.

  405. Tyrion 2 says:
    @vinteuil

    Sorry, my language was vague. It was intended only to describe the usual suspects. It doesn’t even begin to describe the majority or even close to the majority, nevermind all. The ones I mean are the ones who even Goebbels would have thought were sickening lunatics.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @res
  406. Tulip says:

    The most pathetic thing about the Nazis and the wannabe Nazis is that here you have these people defined by a total absence of any well-formed sense of self just gloming onto some rock-concert-like movement to fill up a total void, and all fueled by a self-destructive sense of resentment and disempowerment. Slave morality squared.

    Mass politics is pretty gross stuff in general, but the mindless zombies that creep around follow the leader cults is vomit inducing. Even the leaders of such movements acknowledge it in private.

  407. @Tyrion 2

    I try to be nice to Ron since I’m an anon and he is a known person, not to mention the creator of a useful free website.

    With that said, I located the source for his recent claims that I “attack and denounce” him:

    “Now suppose that a relatively small number of zealous Jewish partisans are known to always attack and denounce journalists or authors who accurately describe Jewish misbehavior.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anti-semitism-a-century-ago/ (30 July 2018)

    The idea is that there’s a Good Ron and a Bad Ron, and a good/bad status for commenters.

    The classification algorithm is that if you challenge “good” data-analysis Ron too pointedly, thus insulting his 7 standard deviation IQ, you are moved from Good Commenter standing into the Bad partisan-Jewish-berserker-fanatic bucket, drawing out the ire of “bad” Jew-baiting Ron on the warpath against the organs of Jewry. I’m not sure whether all the people who have gotten this treatment here are actually Jewish, and some of them have been excommunicated for disagreement on non-Jewish matters such as the Hispanic Crime analysis. But that’s the algorithm as inferred from observation.

    The crusty ex prodigy is a standard Jewish archetype exemplified by Noam Chomsky and Bobby Fischer,

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/operation-finale-my-movie-review-in-takis-magazine/#comment-2501573

  408. Rosie says:
    @Jefferson

    If we were to accept that most Blacks can not afford to live in nice neighborhoods because of nature and IQ, we can assume the same applies to you and other underclass White trash.

    Your honesty is refreshing.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  409. @Lurker

    This might end up empowering Trump, if only because his opponents have their heads all the way up their asses, but surely the killer didn’t anticipate it helping Trump.

    You know, the person the killer claims to oppose.

  410. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    There is nothing at all natural or conservative about treating crimes against a minority more seriously than crimes against the majority, this is pure gaslighting meant to advance your own ethnic interests. Northern Ireland is not a valid comparison because it’s roughly evenly split between Catholics and Protestants, with no dominant majority.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  411. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What a bunch of horse manure. Whites have been literally run out, en masse, from cities built by their own ancestors one family at a time, but nary a peep about “ethnic” violence. Of course, that’s different because reasons or something.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  412. Jefferson says:
    @Tyrion 2

    “Sectarian violence is always and everywhere taken more seriously. That is a fact. The reasons are complex but it has traditionally had nothing to do with minoritarianism and everything to do with maintaining order; which is the conservative priority above all.”

    But The Alt-Right is not Conservative, so it is not a priority for them.

  413. @Ibound1

    Apparently, there was supposed to be a ritual circumcision in one area. I guess it’s a miracle he didn’t shoot the baby.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  414. Rosie says:
    @IHTG

    2) Treating such violence with the appropriate seriousness on those rare occasions when it does occur.

    If Jews really think such violence is more threatening to public order, are they not admitting that diversity is a huge weakness? Why then do they lie and claim the contrary?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  415. Ibound1 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    A disgusting pig who I am very very sorry the cops did not kill. Now we have to pay for his incarceration.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  416. Jefferson says:
    @Ibound1

    “Two of the dead were mentally disabled. The killer sure was brave. Old Jews and the retarded”

    Nobody ever accused The Alt-Right of being brave, so ofcourse he would pick on old people and folks with down syndrome just like Adolf Hitler did.

  417. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    You misuse the word “literally”. You should rewrite your post in accurate language and then see if your argument makes sense.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  418. @Clyde

    So, she hasn’t been paying attention to Ivanka’s family or the embassy placement? She didn’t notice the way Obama managed to alienate everyone in the Middle East, regardless of side, with pro-Muslim rhetoric followed by line-drawing followed mostly by piccoat-holding during the ironically-named Arab Spring?

    It’s like doublethink.

    There are so many things I could criticise about The Donald, but this isn’t one of them.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  419. MEH 0910 says:

    HIAS Statement on Central American Caravan
    Oct 22, 2018

    SILVER SPRING, Md.–Under longstanding U.S. and international law, individuals fleeing persecution have the right to seek asylum. HIAS urges the United States government to respect the rule of law, provide all asylum seekers the opportunity to present their claims as required by law, and treat all migrants fairly and humanely. We hope that the asylum seekers and migrants stay safe and that they comply with established laws and procedures for seeking asylum and entering the United States. Most fundamentally, we must remain committed to upholding the human rights of those seeking asylum.

    HIAS Statement on Possible Executive Action Restricting Asylum
    Oct 26, 2018

    SILVER SPRING, Md. – Yesterday it was reported that President Trump is considering an executive action to deny entry to Central American asylum seekers on the Southern border, including those currently traveling as part of the caravan. If signed, this ban would take effect immediately.

    Under American immigration and international laws, people who arrive at the U.S. border have the fundamental right to seek asylum. This action would ban most Central Americans from making an asylum claim in the U.S., shutting down a legal, life-saving avenue for refugees in the region to seek protection.

    “The individuals arriving at the Southern border are not a threat to our safety. They are women, children, and men who are fleeing some of the most dangerous countries in the world, and are simply seeking safety and protection for their families,” said Mark Hetfield, President and CEO of HIAS. “Once again, we remind the President that seeking asylum is not illegal, and that the U.S. must respect the rule of law.”

    Individuals who arrive in the U.S. with a credible fear of persecution must have their claims heard. HIAS calls on the Administration to respect the rule of law, and ensure a fair and humane process for all asylum seekers who arrive at our borders and seek protection.

    HIAS Statement on Pittsburgh Tragedy
    Oct 27, 2018

    SILVER SPRING, Md.–In response to the tragedy in Pittsburgh today, HIAS, the global Jewish nonprofit that protects refugees, issued the following statement:

    “There are no words to express how devastated we are by the events in Pittsburgh this morning. This loss is our loss, and our thoughts are with Tree of Life Congregation, our local partner Jewish Family and Community Services (JFCS) of Pittsburgh, the city of Pittsburgh and all those affected by this senseless act of violence. As we try to process this horrifying tragedy, we pray that the American Jewish community and the country can find healing.”

    As one of the nine national refugee resettlement agencies, HIAS partners with the United States government to resettle refugees as part of the U.S. refugee admissions program. Founded in 1881 as the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, HIAS stands for a world in which refugees find welcome, safety, and freedom. Guided by Jewish values and history, HIAS rescues people whose lives are in danger for being who they are.

  420. MEH 0910 says:

  421. scrivener3 says: • Website
    @Jefferson

    Name the mass shooters diagnosed with a mental illness before the shooting. If the person was never diagnosed with a mental illness, he would never be in a mental institution. Closing the mental institution would have no effect on people who would not be in the institution if it remained open.

    Here is where your thinking goes wrong. When someone does something so evil that we cannot understand it, we often rationalize that they have a sick mind. In that way we stay in the warm belief that all people are basically good and no one (in their right mind) would do such a thing. People do evil things in their right mind and with volition as much as it pains you to look on it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  422. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnson

    Tiny Johnson. A troll sense of humour.

  423. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    For all the hysterics around Trump such as when he threw a handful of missiles at Syria, it seems that he has really kept his campaign platform of no new wars and gradually pulling back from American intervention overseas.

    Strange how exactly topsy turvy the reporting is.

  424. MEH 0910 says:

    American Jews Stand Up for Refugees on National Refugee Shabbat
    Oct 24, 2018 | Blog Post
    by Rabbi Rachel Grant Meyer – Education Director, Community Engagement

    This past Shabbat, the growing Jewish movement for refugees was strongly evident in hundreds of communities across the country.

    In 33 states and Canada, at nearly 300 gatherings, Jews came together October 19-20 to observe HIAS’ National Refugee Shabbat. In synagogues, churches, JCCs, and other spaces, thousands dedicated sacred time and space to raising awareness about the global refugee crisis. Whether you were in Portland, Maine, or Bristol, Tennessee, Salt Lake City, Utah, or Santa Monica, California, there were multiple opportunities to learn, reflect, and ultimately take action for refugees and asylum seekers.
    ……

    At National Refugee Shabbat events across the country, participants asked what else can they do to help refugees and asylum seekers. We at HIAS have an answer: take action before the midterm elections through HIAS’ Vote for Welcome campaign. The campaign seeks to raise the profile of refugee issues, educate candidates about the importance of refugee protection, and ask candidates to take a public stance on the issue of refugee resettlement. At this critical moment, the need to raise our voices has never been greater.

    https://www.hias.org/hias-election-campaign

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  425. Jefferson says:
    @IHTG

    The racial demographics of people who vote in Wisconsin Republican Primaries is almost entirely White and Alt-Right candidate Paul Nehlen still lost by a huge landslide. It was definitely a blow to his huge ego to find out that his Alt-Right views are not even popular with the vast majority of White Republicans, let alone White people in general. This has driven him over the edge even more knowing that his political career is basically dead in the water.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  426. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    There is nothing at all natural or conservative about treating crimes against a minority more seriously than crimes against the majority, this is pure gaslighting meant to advance your own ethnic interests. Northern Ireland is not a valid comparison because it’s roughly evenly split between Catholics and Protestants, with no dominant majority.

    Does Israel treat crimes against Palestinians more seriously than crimes against Jews?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  427. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    If he was angry with HIAS why did he not go to their offices? Why kill 9 elderly people and 2 mentally retarded people who no doubt have absolutely nothing to do with HIAS ?

    I would wager that none of the victims even knew what HIAS was. I certainly didn’t before yesterday.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  428. MEH 0910 says:

  429. TheJester says:
    @Bill P

    I’m reminded of the declaration of a Jew decades ago that a person could not be elected dog catcher if the Jews opposed him. What are the chances that a person could be elected dog catcher in podunk wherever if the Jews could front $12 million dollars against him? That is the governing dynamic driving Amerian politics?

    Another issue: The Jewish lobby used to “hit on” Congressmen once they were elected. That proved problematic and embarrassing if the Congressmen were patriots and refused the threats and/or the money. Then, the Jewish lobby changed its tactics to set up “farm teams” of eligible candidates who were preselected for their allegiance to Israel. Many of the candidates that you see on the ballot are graduates from Jewish “farm teams”.

    Frank Keating, Governor of Oklahoma from 1995 to 2003 was from one of these “farm teams”. He was, for a short period of time, a potential candidate for vice-president on George Bush’s team. That collapsed when it was leaked that a Jewish banker on Wall Street had been padding his income by giving thousands of dollars a year to his children for an extended period of time.

    https://newsok.com/article/2728052/cathy-keating-wants-family-to-be-left-alone

    Such are the dynamics of contemporary American politics … Jewish “farm teams”, successful Jewish-approved political candidates, Jewish control of Congress.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  430. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    How you characterised my post is the opposite of what I wrote. I specifically excluded minoritarianism.

  431. Fh42 says: • Website
    @Rosie

    On the bright side, chaos can be a ladder, the Kurds in Iraq and Syria never had their own state until the Iraqi and Syrian central government weakened due to civil war.

  432. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    It treats sectarian crimes as worse, yes.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  433. @Lowe

    There was a shepherd boy who tended his sheep at the foot of a mountain near a dark forest. It was lonely for him, so he devised a plan to get a little company. He rushed down towards the village calling out “Wolf, Wolf,” and the villagers came out to meet him.

    This pleased the boy so much that a few days afterward he tried the same trick, and again the villagers came to his help.

    Shortly after this, a wolf actually did come out from the forest. The boy cried out “Wolf, Wolf,” still louder than before. But this time the villagers, who had been fooled twice before, thought the boy was again lying, and nobody came to his aid. So the wolf made a good meal off the boy’s flock.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  434. Rosie says:
    @Jefferson

    The racial demographics of people who vote in Wisconsin Republican Primaries is almost entirely White and Alt-Right candidate Paul Nehlen still lost by a huge landslide. It was definitely a blow to his huge ego to find out that his Alt-Right views are not even popular with the vast majority of White Republicans, let alone White people in general. This has driven him over the edge even more knowing that his political career is basically dead in the water.

    Constant media guilt-mongering will do that to a population, at least a population of Whites.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  435. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @scrivener3

    When someone does something so evil that we cannot understand it,

    Would you include among those somethings the Israeli “price tag” tactic?

    • Replies: @Anon
  436. anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    Every attempted Muslim terror attack or planned attack is a hate crime against the “infidel”, the “kafir”, overwhelmingly Christian. The infidel is the object of hate.

    Untrue. The object of their attacks is the oppressor, the invader, the occupier.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Rational
    , @Ibound1
  437. @Clyde

    Considering the popularity of the Trump-Hitler meme it’s surprising that there is no definitive analysis of how many Jewish grandchildren Trump has by matrilineal descent, and how many Warrens of Jewish blood quantum they have.

    (note on units: 1 Warren = 1 millihontas = 1/1024 of ancestry)

    • LOL: utu
  438. BenKenobi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    So are you, Lot, & Jefferson in adjacent cubicles or what?

  439. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I see leftists are now openly calling for Trump to be assassinated.

    Citations please?

  440. @Jefferson

    Richard Spencer is not a white man like us.

    Free speech is essential to who we are — and one of the things that differentiate us from other peoples.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr. Anon
  441. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn’t count

    When did he say that?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  442. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achilles

    When one considers the hatred toward whites and toward traditional America promulgated through public education, our universities, Hollywood and the mainstream media it’s amazing that there has been so little reactionary violence.

    What about when one considers the inflood of foreigners and the unenforced border?

  443. @Anon

    Cowards choose soft targets.

  444. Ron Unz says:
    @anonymous

    Actually, I already responded to your duplicated comment elsewhere, but I might as well also do the same here.

    Ron – Regarding your recent series of essays on Jews, have you asked yourself a few principled questions just to run a modest sanity check on yourself? Here are a couple of self-directed questions that I humbly suggest as straightforward examples:

    Sure, that’s perfectly reasonable. Indeed, the whole reason that many of my articles were so very long is that I wanted to provide a reasonably comprehensive discussion of the background and substantial evidence.

    I actually replied rather directly to some of these questions in my ADL column of a couple of weeks ago:

    I was equally unimpressed that they so hotly denounced me for substantially relying upon the writings of Israel Shahak, whom they characterized as viciously “anti-Semitic.” As I had repeatedly emphasized, my own total lack of Aramaic and Hebrew necessarily forces me to rely upon the research of others, and the late Prof. Shahak, an award-winning Israeli academic, certainly seems a fine source to use. After all, famed linguist Noam Chomsky had lauded Shahak’s works for their “outstanding scholarship,” and numerous of our other most prominent public intellectuals such as Christopher Hitchens, Edward Said, and Gore Vidal had been similarly lavish in their praise. Furthermore, one of Shahak’s co-authors was Norton Mezvinsky, a prominent American academic specializing in Middle Eastern history, himself hardly an obscure figure given that both his brother and sister-in-law served in Congress and his nephew later married Chelsea Clinton. And as far as I’m aware almost none of Shahak’s explicit claims about the Talmud or traditional Judaism have ever been directly challenged, while the online availability of his first book allows those so interested to conveniently read it and decide for themselves.

    The ADL similarly denounced me for taking seriously the theories of Ariel Toeff, another Israeli academic. But Prof. Toeff, son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome, certainly ranks as one of the world’s leading scholarly authorities on Medieval Jewry, and working together with his graduate students and other colleagues, he had devoted many years of effort to the research study in question, drawing upon extensive primary and secondary sources produced in eight different languages. I found his 500 page book quite persuasive, as did Israeli journalist Israel Shamir, and I have seen no credible rebuttals.

    (Various links embedded in the article)

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    All these prominent scholars and intellectuals, most of them Jewish, seemed like pretty credible people, and I carefully read their various books and articles, which quite impressed me. Perhaps they were all just inventing their factual statements in some sort of bizarre conspiracy, but I really don’t see why.

    If you or the ADL or anyone else can find academics of comparable stature to explicitly refute those claims, I’ll be glad to carefully consider that contrary evidence.

  445. @Buzz Mohawk

    He’s the leader of the dork right.

  446. @DFH

    If he’s a Knausgård fan, his one million word manifesto/memoir will turn up shortly.

  447. @Ron Unz

    If for no other reason than to exercise some very important muscles they’ve allowed to atrophy in their unrivaled dominance.

    No platform for one’s rivals means no practice for oneself.

  448. @Jefferson

    So you’re using the SJW-approved definition of alt-right. Does that mean you’re also smearing present company via guilt-by-association? That after all is why they use that definition.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  449. @Anon

    You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.

    Truth, as they say, is often stranger than fiction.

  450. Jefferson says:
    @Rosie

    “Constant media guilt-mongering will do that to a population, at least a population of Whites.”

    More like Paul Nehlen is too extreme for White America, as he praised the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter which makes him come off as a sociopath.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  451. @Neoconned

    They probably have dozens or hundreds of them at a time, in various stages of development.  If one is about to “go off” and they don’t have a productive use, they probably stage a mental-health intervention or something to avoid making the news.

    The thing that gets me is the strange confluence of two headlining events in Broward county, where the sheriff is one Scott Israel.  Quite a cohencidence.

  452. @Tyrion 2

    Well that’s the interwebs for you. Just remember that ignoring them pours burning coals on their heads and you’ll feel better.

  453. Jefferson says:
    @unpc downunder

    “If by alt right you mean populist/nationalist right, it’s been a mixed year for the alt right in the US, and a good year for the alt right in Europe, Quebec and Brazil:

    Jair Bolsonaro and Donald Trump are both Civic Nationalists, not Alt-Right. They both love showing off their Nonwhite supporters at their rallies to prove they are not racists, so the Alt-Right stays losing.

    • Replies: @Jobe
  454. @Marty T

    These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  455. Ron Unz says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series – I have the remaining ones bookmarked – but do you have an opinion as to Frank’s guilt?

    Yes indeed, it was actually the centerpiece of my ADL article from a couple of weeks ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    An absolutely fascinating historical incident, which I only very recently came to properly understand. It totally exploded yet another one of the “facts” I’d never previously questioned in the American history I learned in school.

  456. Jefferson says:
    @Desiderius

    “So you’re using the SJW-approved definition of alt-right”

    I’m using the Alt-Right’s definition of Alt-Right which says if they were to acquire complete power in The U.S even Black Conservatives like Thomas Sowell would be deported back to Africa.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @redmudhooch
    , @res
  457. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @27 year old

    but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    Who are the people who hate us?

  458. anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    We seem to be divided on Muslim terrorism; half of us call for the most spectacularly genocidal responses, while the other half try to pretend such attacks didn’t happen

    Many of us recognize that Muslims have legitimate grievances with the United States and Israel.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  459. Rosie says:
    @Jefferson

    You can move to a continent called Europe.

    Europe for Europeans!

    At least we agree on that much.

    (You do realize that makes you a nazi, right?)

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  460. @Jefferson

    Nobody ever accused The Alt-Right of being brave, so ofcourse he would pick on old people and folks with down syndrome just like Adolf Hitler did.

    Yes, it’s well-known that the German Army frequently awarded the Iron Cross for “picking on old people and folks with Down Syndrome” during WWI. ;)

  461. notanon says:
    @Jefferson

    You can move to a continent called Europe.

    Europe is under the same kind of demographic attack as the USA.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  462. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric

    Such as what?

  463. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society. On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.

    That is an entirely subjective contention. Sure there are a handful of posters here who espouse Nazi or Nazi-like sentiments. By the same token you can find any number of websites – and even mainstream media outlets and academic journals – that espouse a vitriol against whites (against white gentiles actually although that isn’t made explicit) that, to us, seems every bit as disturbing and enraging.

    You want to make special pleas for your people? Fine. I don’t begrudge you that. Their your people. I expect you to take their side. Allow us the same privilege. Or don’t. I really don’t give a damn. But I think white people should damned well stop apologizing and start taking their own damned side in this argument, with or without your leave.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  464. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    it’s probably from a game – a lot of gamers have verbal tics like that

  465. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jefferson

    You can move to a continent called Europe.

    Whites are now no longer allowed to claim Europe as white. Which fact you surely know – you are just being disingenuous.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @utu
  466. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    So when Indonesia invaded, occupied and killed half a million Christians in Papua , you consider that killing their oppressors ?

    When Turki invaded and occupied Cyprus that was also Muslims killing their oppressors ?

    Nigeria occupying and killing 2 million Christians in Biafra?

  467. @Ron Unz

    The immigrants are invaders. I don’t know why you would make light of forced demographic and cultural replacement, since it is obviously an explosive issue. I don’t celebrate the shootings, but it doesn’t take a genius to understand why Jews are disliked and distrusted.

    Also, how can you compare the crime rates of young Hispanic and White men, when we really don’t know how many Hispanics are in the U.S., or who they are in many cases. The number of young White men and their identities is reliably documented. Throw in the no snitch culture and FBI toying with ethnic identity for crime stats, and I don’t see any way to reliably compare the two groups. Even if you are right, I don’t think I have ever seen a community where changing demographics from majority White to majority Hispanic made for a better place to live, and I don’t hold out any hope that a majority Hispanic nation will be a better place.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  468. Mr. Anon says:
    @Marty T

    Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.

    No, that was Nikki Haley. The murderous little twerp you mentioned (whose name I refuse to repeat) was in jail at the time, and had no power to do any such thing.

  469. @Jefferson

    according to globalists in the EU, europe has always been multicultural, there is no such thing as ‘germans’ ‘swedes’ or englishmen, all those places have always been multicultural and anyone who opposes that is racist. … so are you saying you support nationalist movements in Europe?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  470. The alleged shooter sounds like he might be a zionist and just doesn’t realize it.

    With all the talk of hate speech in the MSM, what about the Syrians, Iranians, Arabs in general, and Russia? Don’t they get the same hate speech protections afforded to the “semites”?

    Won’t hear a peep out of the MSM either about the Palestinian holocaust occurring right now as we speak either. They started bombing Gaza not to long before this shooting occurred.

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-airstrike-kills-three-palestinian-boys-in-gaza/

    Gotta love that they keep calling this guy and anyone that speaks out about mass immigration a “white nationalist” when they only want the same things Israel wants. I’m not one of those, I have Mexicans and Injuns in my family and I can assure you they do not wish to kill you white folk. But we all understand illegal immigration is a problem that should be addressed.

    Not that shooting up a synagogue will fix anything other than give them an awesome reason to take more of all of our rights away, which always seems to be the solution to everything, and was already happening, before the shooting.

    Great deal for the zionists/extremists, which is the main reason they hide behind the Jewish religion. It allows them to take events like this one, the alleged holocaust, and many others, some hoaxes/false flags, and avoid any criticism or direct attention away from their horrible crimes against the Pals/Arabs.

    Middle class and poor Americans are hurting, badly, and they feel like they’ve been abandoned by the people that are supposed to be looking out for them and working for the interests of America. People feel like they have no voice in their own country anymore. The Jewish community should look at their leaders, the lobby groups, the ones calling for war 24/7, Neocons, the ones pushing the mass immigration that Americans are clearly against, the ones in the media that are lying to the people. These Jewish leaders need to change their ways or it will continue to cause resentment towards them and to ordinary Jews too. No getting around that unless their behavior changes.

    Rachel Corrie or the sailors on the USS Liberty didn’t get any attention for the hate crimes committed against them either. Think the double standard might cause some resentment?
    Peace!

  471. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Last year, an atheist went into a church in Texas and killed 26 Christians (more than double the number killed in this synagogue shooting). Nobody cared about those victims. Nobody said we should censor anti-Christian speech or crack down on atheists. White Christian lives don’t matter to the media and politicians.

    Yes, that’s a good point. I forgot about that one.

  472. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mikey Darmody

    However, it is difficult to see what a person can do to effect any change.

    Simple. Support and advocate for addressing issues that have people feeling upset: mass immigration; censorship; power imbalance; vilification of Whites; discrimination against Whites; subordination to Israel.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  473. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Whites were in effect run out of those places. Because they didn’t wan’t to live in cities that had grown dirty, poor, corrupt, and dangerous. It was indeed a slow-motion form of ethnic cleansing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  474. @Ibound1

    i am genuinely curious why, with all the muslim terror crimes in the US none have been explicitly directed at jews… which presumable would be the primary target.

    I know the media has largely downplayed instances in France, for example, or famously geniueley anti-semtic tweets by Louis Farrakhan…

    I don’t discount disproportionate jewish-elite influence in tech, media and banking… so why would they let the latter slide?

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  475. @Inquiring Mind

    Gregg Easterbrook lost half of his income when he got fired from ESPN.com for supposedly anti-Semitic blogging criticizing Quentin Tarantino’s “Kill Bill” at … Marty Peretz’s TNR. Peretz, no shrinking violet in defense of Jewish interests, was fine with what Easterbrook said about how Jewish movie executives should not rush to fund the gore fests of Tarantino (who is not Jewish). Easterbrook is an old member, IIRC, of the Kinsley Klique of talented opinion journalists along with Fallows, Kaus, etc.

    But he got fired from his football column at Disney/ESPN for several years. One thing that is striking to me is that I wouldn’t go out of my way to unjustly injure the younger brother of … heavyweight federal judge Frank Easterbrook. But that consideration of prudence didn’t stop Michael Eisner and/or his minions.

    Eventually, after Eisner was out (whether coincidentally or not), Easterbrook got his football column back at ESPN.com.

  476. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    ok, I know people claim ‘false flag’ at every opportunity but…. this is riduculous…

  477. Rosie says:
    @Jefferson

    I’m using the Alt-Right’s definition of Alt-Right which says if they were to acquire complete power in The U.S even Black Conservatives like Thomas Sowell would be deported back to Africa.

    Lie.

    • Agree: Random Smartaleck
  478. @anonymous

    The object of their attacks is the oppressor, the invader, the occupier.

    Yes, al-Andalusz was oppressing and invading and occupying parts of planet Earth which rightfully belonged to Islam, not the Christians living on it.  Ditto Byzantium.

    Puh-leese!

  479. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jefferson

    If we were to accept that most Blacks can not afford to live in nice neighborhoods because of nature and IQ, we can assume the same applies to you and other underclass White trash.

    In other words, you hold us in contempt, and think of us, essentially, as an enemy. It would be natural for us to recognize that fact. If you call us trash, is there any reason we should not call you “vermin”?

    Is your passive-agressive hostility supposed to make us sympathetic to you? Or are you just too narcissistic to notice?

    Never mind. I take that back. The proper response to the sentiments you’ve expressed is: F**k you.

  480. Jefferson says:
    @Marty T

    “These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.”

    Don’t pin these mass shootings on Conservatives, pin them on The Alt-Right and no they are not the same thing.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  481. @Grahamsno(G64)

    “blood curdling….furious…”

    Easy on the hyperbole G64. If you’ve found material on unz which is tantamount to a call to violence or skinhead style profanities….feel free to enlighten us. There is a fair amount of “crimethink” on this site, but it is only so described as it is articulate yet irritating to powerful advocacy groups.
    The best antidote to error is: sunshine, open debate, free speech & civility. There is all of this on Unz.com

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  482. @Jefferson

    I’m using the Alt-Right’s definition of Alt-Right which says if they were to acquire complete power in The U.S even Black Conservatives like Thomas Sowell would be deported back to Africa.

    The “alt-right” are zionist. They love Israel which is why they want to deport everyone that doesn’t look like them.
    In fact I can safely assume that most of them receive money from Israel or folks like Shedon Adelson to push Israels agenda here in America, so Israel isn’t so alone in their apartheid-ish ways.

    Same with “the wall” I’m pretty sure that is another slogan being push by Israelis here in US so Israel doesn’t look so bad when they wall themselves in from their neighbors, and the previous land owners.

    Trump and the “alt right” are zionist puppets playing with the emotions of frustrated Americans. Nothing more.

  483. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    @Jefferson

    Richard Spencer is not a white man like us.

    Look at some of Jefferson’s comments down thread Apparently, he is not a white man like us.

  484. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Sectarian violence is always and everywhere taken more seriously. That is a fact.

    No it isn’t. It wasn’t. It hasn’t always been.

    And something does not become a fact because you baldly assert “that is a fact”.

  485. BenKenobi says:
    @Jefferson

    $0.02 has been deposited to your account.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  486. anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That’s not the only solution but it’s a start.

    This guy arguably did not have much freedom of speech, or ability to take his perceived grievances to the public.

    Free speech has been greatly curbed over the past 2-3 years. (Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Apple, PayPal etc; not to mention the usual narrow window for speech and discussion at that NYT, Washington Post etc.)

  487. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Same reason the english dish “spotted dick” never caught on here.

  488. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    The best antidote to error is: sunshine, open debate, free speech & civility. There is all of this on Unz.com

    Hear! Hear!

  489. @sabril

    Define “anti-Semitic.”

    You people hold this over gentile Whites like the sword of Damocles. I’m done with it. Jewish leaders want Whites to be minorities in their own lands, and you want us to lie back and take it. I’m sorry some psychopath did something terrible, but the idea that his actions mean that I can’t fight back against the destruction of my people is ridiculous.

    Re-think whatever you want. Jews are on forefront of demanding that gentile Whites just lay down and die as a people. No!

    Do you deny that Jews are massively overrepresented in those funding groups that want to swamp gentile White countries with non-Whites? If so, you’re a liar.

    Good luck trying to work your guilt on blacks or Asians and Indians. They’ll laugh in your face – as they should. The world is changing my friend. The days of hissing anti-semite or racist to shut people up are dying. You overplayed your hand. I’m sure that normies will cower at this latest atrocity, but a growing number of us will not play your game.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  490. Dissident says:
    @Ron Unz

    Except, just as I said, none of the three people killed in that anti-Semitic attack were Jewish.

    In the case of that and any other similar attacks in-question, would you at least concede that the perpetrator (a) was motivated by a desire to kill and/or otherwise harm Jews, and, (b) had expressly targeted Jews?

    If you do concede that much, then does it really matter whether or not the casualties turned-out to be Jews? Isn’t the salient point that innocent civilians –whatever their actual religious, racial, ethnic, national, sexual, political or other identity– fell victim to unchecked murderous, psychopathic motivations?

    I’d certainly think that at least a handful of those 500,000 murder victims were killed because they were Jewish, but off-hand not a single example comes to mind.

    The example that immediately comes to my mind is that of Yankel Rosenbaum, the yeshiva student who was murdered by a mob of blacks during the infamous Crown Heights Riots of 1991. Witnesses have testified to hearing members of the mob chanting and shouting statements in which Jews were explicitly and unequivocally targeted for attack. A little later that fateful summer, in the same Brooklyn, NY neighborhood, a non-Jew named Anthony Graziosi was brutally beaten and stabbed to death by a black mob who had mistaken him for a Hasidic Jew.

    If your point were simply that there is no evidence of anything even approaching an epidemic of anti-Jewish violence in the U.S. and that, on the contrary, such incidents are extremely rare here (I would add thankfully, you, I’m not so sure…), I would certainly agree. But clearly, your posts in this thread go way beyond that into belittling, dismissing and denying the gravity of and explicitly stated motivations behind Saturday’s massacre.

  491. @Fred Clinton

    A blue wave will increase the anti-White rhetoric and policies against Whites. I agree, it is necessary. Time to stop wasting time. Let’s push the ball forward.

  492. Ibound1 says:
    @ACommenter

    They hate Christians. They treat Christians like second class citizens and have cognitive dissonance because the Koran tells them they will be the most successful here in earth while it is the Christians who are powerful. Bhuddism is not in the Koran. Christianity is – as a mistake and an inferior religion. To end the dissonance they seek to kill Christians. Jews as well but Jews are .2% of the world, Western Christians are far more populous and far more powerful.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  493. @Edward

    The guy was a pycho. That’s all.

    That said, yes, thing are getting more tense. Might have something to do with the imvasion of the West by other peoples. This will either end in the destruction of Whites as a people or violence on a grand scale. Which do you prefer?

  494. Ibound1 says:
    @anonymous

    What the hell are you talking about? America isn’t occupying them. If we wanted to we could destroy them 1oo times over. Is Canada occupying them? “Refugee” comes to Canada and immediately begins targeting Canadian sites: https://globalnews.ca/news/4599469/refugee-board-orders-deportation-bc-isis-supporter/

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anonymous
  495. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:

    Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups

    Well, I am none of those things, but I opened an account on Gab a while back out of curiosity, same as I have with Steem, Minds, Quora, etc.
    Mainly, I share photos of retro subjects and history, plus some of my cheesy artwork and selfies. The latter have earned me the enthusiasm of some men and the fury of insecure mean girls and assorted neurotic prigs. All of which mildly amuses me.
    But because I have posted some photos of Nazi-era Germany, some believe I am a Nazi sympathizer and I have gained the attention of the 1488 crowd. And because I have also posted that I don’t eat bacon, some believe that I am a Jew and that has also gained me the attention of the 1488 crowd.
    I’m not a Nazi-lover and I’m not a Jew (I am, however, a — shudder — vegetarian); in fact, I’m not particularly political at all, but the attentions of these people have been…educational, to say the least. They certainly do make wonderful strangers and I’m endeavoring to keep them that way.
    My summary opinion of Gab:

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  496. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @jill

    In 2018 over 600 Christian Papuans in occupied Papua have been killed by Muslim Indonesian invaders. Hundreds of Papuan women have been raped. Since Indonesia has been occupying Papua since 1963 , they have killed over half a million Papuans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  497. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Bowery

    “So what can be done?”

    Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether “on the decline” or not.

    Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.

    Good post.

  498. J.Ross says: • Website

    There’s an error in this chart: it says “nationwide.”

    https://postimg.cc/2qtQqxXc

  499. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    I can see them coming after you and Ron but Steve hasn’t done anything wrong. Are you just playing misery loves company by adding Steve to your pathetic group. I bet we will all have a great laugh when you are exposed and we can compare your reality to your online persona.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  500. anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1

    See Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Beirut.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  501. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Nineties, the attack on Serbia; at one time it and “give Achmed a seat on the bus” were the short explanation of why lefties hated him.

  502. @Anon

    Did Obama’s stepdad Lolo serve in Papua? There’s a vague hint that he never quite recovered from what he saw or had to do there.

    • Replies: @Anon
  503. @Ron Unz

    I simply want to live among my own people and to be ruled by my own people. I guess that makes me an extremist in the United States, at least according to Mr. Unz.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon
    , @anonymous
  504. @Anon

    No, they will come after anyone who discusses the agendas (semi-hidden or overt) of influential Jewish pundits, organisations, politicians and oligopolies. Whether you broach the topic with delicacy, heartfelt nuance or just bluntly, it doesn’t matter. They don’t want certain influence patterns and agendas called out. Period.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  505. @Jefferson

    If we were to accept that most Blacks can not afford to live in nice neighborhoods because of nature and IQ

    False equivalence.  Most Blacks would DESTROY nice neighborhoods because of, in part, high time preference and low IQ (which go together).  They were ceded nice neighborhoods and turned them into areas which compare to targets of aerial bombing.

    we can assume the same applies to you and other underclass White trash.

    Most Whites who live in trailer parks or worse are limited largely by money and would do much more work on upkeep if they had the funds to live in a classier area.  A great many Blacks would deliberately destroy the nice things of their neighbors because of general animosity; indeed, when allowed to move by e.g. Section 8 vouchers, they have done so.

  506. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Im not sure if it was Papua or East Timor. Both were horrible. Obviously Papua has it far worse as East Timor gained independence.

    Indonesia claimed Papuans were savages incapable of self government. They used and still do use rape to terrorize and dehumanize Papuans. They killed cheifs and took photos holding up the corpses as trophies. Publicly displaying the Papuan flag still carries a 20 year sentence. There are mass graves all over Papua and a complete media blackout. Very sad state of affairs that people are so willing to ignore.

  507. @Bill P

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    Talk honestly about Jewish power in this country and see what that does for your career and life. Then get back to me about the waning of Jewish power.

    Jews play for keeps, which is why I respect them.

    Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    See my comment above.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that’s a problem.

    Jews haven’t been dehumanized. People are simply finally talking about what Jewish leaders are doing to gentile Whites. That’s not dehumanizing. It’s point out actions and strategies.

    But the typically proffered remedy for this is “ban all criticism of Jews,” which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    How do you think Jews reached this pinnacle on which they stand? By playing nice? No. They got here by fighting and being ruthless. Good for them. You think that they’ll just take your criticism and change their ways?

    I know 5-year-olds more mature than you.

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy.

    That’s the first step to separate nations (and possibly massive violence). You understand that, right?

    It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

  508. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Cut the man some slack.

    –An admirer of both of you

  509. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Do you ever pause to wonder why “your people” are increasingly incapable of making anything that can last in today’s higher IQ world? What if “your people” just can’t cut it?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @J.Ross
  510. Ibound1 says:
    @anonymous

    Anti-American freak. I don’t recall occupying Yemen and Palestine or Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Left wing BS. Had the balance of power been different think what they would do to us. They are lucky we are restrained. After 9/11 I would have destroyed Afghanistan with nukes and converted the survivors to Christianity. Ann Coulter has it right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  511. @The Z Blog

    If they are THAT megalomaniacal and intolerant of criticism, they deserve every bit of hate that’s coming to them… and everything that comes with it.

  512. Ibound1 says:
    @Jefferson

    These ZOG freaks aren’t helping us.

  513. SFG says:

    Not much to add after 409 (plus) comments, but:

    -Killing innocent people is wrong (obvious but needs to be said), and killing people at worship tends to further decrease any sympathy for your movement, particularly among conservatives. This includes the atheist who attacked the church, Dylan Roof’s attack on the black church, and of course this. Roof’s attack had the opposite effect of what he wanted–destruction of Confederate memorials all over the place and a general attack on the remaining history of the South. Given that this guy’s targets were probably better connected and dislike of Jews in the USA is deeper but also narrower than dislike of blacks (i.e. anti/countersemites are more passionate but also less numerous than people who dislike blacks), I think we are going to see an even bigger backlash.

    Frankly, violent attacks really aren’t a good way of getting your point across–they make you the bad guy, and cause everyone to sympathize with your victim. There was at least one large study of protest movements across countries, and they came to the conclusion nonviolent protests are actually more effective–not more moral, more effective–for a variety of reasons. Of course, they won’t work against a totalitarian government, but we’re not there yet.

    -While I totally sympathize with Jack D, I’m not sure knocking down the 1st Amendment is a good idea. While I’d hate to be shot at worship, I really, really don’t trust our current government with hate speech laws. (Not that there are many people I would trust, to be honest). The current regime of hate speech laws in Europe has allowed the growth of hostile populations to uncomfortable levels, and that’s in countries with no preexisting diversity issues. You just know these SJWs and diversity commissars are dying to throw random white men in jail for jokes and leers.

    -You can criticize George Soros, who gives millions of dollars to promote mass immigration and globalization, Sheldon Adelson, who gives millions of dollars to corrupt the political system to favor a foreign country, Masha Gessen, who seems to want to use the USA to even her scores with straight Christian Russia, or Jennifer Rubin, who dishonestly pretends to be right-wing while basically using her column to fight a rearguard action against populism, without believing in shooting up synagogues.

    (Admittedly Adelson’s apparently come around on Trump and no longer necessarily deserves the ire of people here–but a lot of the more anti-Zionist types think he’s a major problem. I actually don’t think Israel’s a particularly evil country–they’ve actually been a lot better than I would expect given their very difficult circumstances, a lot of Arab countries would have turned the Palestinians into lampshades by now–but their interests do diverge from the American on many occasions.

    That said, I’d gladly sit down with AIPAC and agree to pledge support for Israel if they threw their support behind immigration restriction. It’s entirely possible that Pres. Trump or someone behind him has actually made this calculation.)

    Finally, what the populist right–people holding alt-right-ish views but more moderate, I guess–really needs is more Kris Kobachs and Stephen Millers. You have your general (Trump) and your privates and corporals (Deplorables), but no lieutenants and colonels. The Trump administration is lacking in the Deputy Undersecretary for Internal Affairs–type jobs that actually get all the stuff done in a bureaucracy. We need wormlike men with receding harlines who know every inch of the immigration system and know how to make it work for them. The Democrats have such people, and the corporate right as well, but if Adelson (or Unz) wants to really enact change, they need to fund a think-tank that generates people who can eventually staff a future successor-to-Trump administration and make nationalism work.

    (Not me, I’m pushing 40 and stick my foot in my mouth.)

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Jefferson
  514. @Svigor

    You misspelled American.

    White Nationalism is for dorks.

  515. @Jason Liu

    We know his handlers hope so.

  516. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

  517. @SFG

    (Not me, I’m pushing 40 and stick my foot in my mouth.)

    Sound like plusses to me.

  518. SFG says:
    @Erik L

    I don’t like or agree with everything Mr. Sailer has to say, but it’s usually biased in the exact opposite direction as the MSM, which makes it invaluable as a corrective. Read the NYT, read WaPo, read the Atlantic, read National Review, and read Sailer, and you’ll probably have as good a guess as anyone as to what the truth is.

    The fact that what he says has a suspicious tendency to wind up in the MSM 2-4 weeks later, often in bowdlerized form (Douthat and Brooks are the worst offenders, though also useful conduits for his thought), gives the pleasure of anticipating the trends one sees elsewhere in the MSM and leads one to suspect that others are reading him too, if only to know the truths they must avoid saying.

    If a fair history’s ever written, he must probably be accounted one of the predominant political writers of our time…not that such a fair history is likely to be written, of course. I fully expect the unholy alliance of neoliberalism (global capitalism) and Diversity to win, and to subject field after field of life to disparate impact calculations. Already we are seeing the penetration of the hard sciences. The Romans took in invaders, the Muslims fell to theocracy, and the Chinese turned inward at just the wrong time. No doubt future Chinese mandarins will chortle at the foolishness of our diversity obsession and terror of eugenics as their engineered Aspie scientists leave ours in the dust.

    But, hey, we are all lost in the march of history anyway. At least you can go to your grave knowing you read Averroes over al-Ghazali.

    And some of you with game can bear children to preserve something in the long night ahead.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  519. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know if this has already been said or not, but when an act of violence is committed, that doesn’t mean the perp is wholly bad/wrong. Nor that the victims are wholly good/right.

    When it comes to some people, we seem to have an appreciation for this simple wisdom. But for others, not so much.

  520. @Mr. Anon

    What do you mean, “in effect”?  Blacks ran Whites out of Detroit by means including firebombing of occupied homes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  521. anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erik L

    I’ve been with him since the 1990s but lately the comments section had been making me think of giving up on the best long term writer on the internet.

    Come on, now. Step up and be a man and state your objections to the comments. Your post has the whiff of the usual censorship by blackmail one sees pop up here from time to time.

  522. @lysias

    Which goes to my point, assuming Jews prefer their heads attached to their necks and their skulls hole-free.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  523. @SFG

    No one knows when that night will fall – there were many false dusks in each of your examples, with resurgences that followed. We’re pretty early in our own show for the curtain to fall, so hang in there champ.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  524. BenKenobi says:
    @Desiderius

    “If we are marked to die, we are enough to do our country loss. And if to live — the fewer men the greater share of honour! God’s will I pray thee wish not one man more! Proclaim it through my host: he who hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart. His passport shall be made and crowns for convoy put into his purse. We shall not have that man’s company that fears his fellowship to die with us.”
    - Henry V

    • Agree: Desiderius
  525. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Ask the White French Haitians, oh yah, I forgot you can’t the blacks exterminated them.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  526. @Paul Jolliffe

    What kind of “violent psychopath” claims he didn’t want to hurt anybody?

    One who is neither violent nor a psychopath, obviously.

  527. Jefferson says:
    @Svigor

    “White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.”

    Which of this nation’s 50 governors is a White Nationalist?

    Also why didn’t White Nationalist Paul Nehlen win The Wisconsin Republican Primary to replace House Speaker Paul Ryan?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  528. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    The first few minutes of this conversation may help you rearrange the cognitive map that seems to keep routing you to Winston Churchill’s shoeshine stand

  529. Jefferson says:
    @SFG

    “-Killing innocent people is wrong (obvious but needs to be said), and killing people at worship tends to further decrease any sympathy for your movement, particularly among conservatives.”

    The Alt-Right are a bunch of Godless Atheists, so they could care less about respecting places of worship. If The Alt-Right was it’s own nation they would have a lower church attendance rate than Sweden.

    That’s what The Alt-Right has in common with Antifa and SWPL types, none of them are into religion. The horse shoe theory.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  530. @Dissident

    you, I’m not so sure…

    What good could such an aside possibly accomplish?

    Let me make it clear for the lazily obtuse:

    This is blood libel. Don’t kid yourself that we can’t see it.

  531. renfro says:

    A commenter I know from elsewhere made this very accurate observation:

    ”Now that the center – the American identity as it would have been recognized up to, say, 60 years ago – has been deemed immoral and outdated, everyone is fighting to have their sub-identity become the new boss. Some are fighting to return to 60 years ago.

    The media cannot be trusted, and isn’t. It is clearly highly biased at all times in favor of one sub-identity or another.

    Social media provides access to alternative info, much of it being at least as fake and biased as what is available on official sources. Yet a lot of it is tailored to appeal to and confirm what is in the heads of the more unhinged elements of society. Even when the alternative media info is accurate, it deepens the sense that the establishment media is deliberately misleading us and that we are under attack.

    Many politicians are also issuing bombastic rhetoric that any reasonable person should know would cause the unstable to react violently.

    People are adrift in a raging sea of propaganda, angst, uncertainty and threats against their beliefs. The people providing information and leadership are utterly irresponsible and psychopathic in their quest to control our minds and harness us for their own agendas.

    There are few apparent good guys; way too few. People need leadership and they need a sense of certainty in life. Somehow that rug has been yanked out from under their feet. I do not understand how that happened, whether by sinister design or by some unchecked natural evolutionary process – probably a mix of both. It is no surprise at all, to me at least, that violence is amping up. IMO, it will get a lot worse. Some strongman leader + followers is going to have to move in and take control, crushing opposition and dissent. I see no alternative at this point.”

    I think it likely he is right about needing ‘strong man’…hopefully not a ‘dictator’ but a no nonsense, no bullshitting president who will carry out common sense American interest, domestically and abroad.

  532. @Dissident

    But clearly, your posts in this thread go way beyond that into belittling, dismissing and denying the gravity of and explicitly stated motivations behind Saturday’s massacre.

    If it were clear, it would go without saying. You’ll need to back that one up.

  533. utu says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Whites are now no longer allowed to claim Europe as white.

    Europeans never really had a conscious identity of being white. They did not have to. So they did not really claim Europe as white. The white identity was invented in American South. Too bad that the Civil war was fought. If the South was let go the complex white-black intricate entanglement possibly would be contained behind the cordon sanitaire.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  534. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I can see them coming after you and Ron but Steve hasn’t done anything wrong.

    What has Ron “done wrong”, for that matter?

  535. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Says the hate filled anti-white bigot.

  536. @Ron Unz

    famed linguist Noam Chomsky had lauded Shahak’s works for their “outstanding scholarship,” and numerous of our other most prominent public intellectuals such as Christopher Hitchens, Edward Said, and Gore Vidal had been similarly lavish in their praise. Furthermore, one of Shahak’s co-authors was Norton Mezvinsky,

    Are any of those people experts on the Talmud, Judaism or Jewish history? Or are they just prominent Israel critics who found Shahak’s anti-Zionist, anti-Judaism, universalist human rights schtick sympatico and convenient for their own agendas?

    a prominent American academic specializing in Middle Eastern history, himself hardly an obscure figure given that both his brother and sister-in-law served in Congress and his nephew later married Chelsea Clinton.

    You mean his brother who did jail time for fraud and his nephew who bilked investors of 300 million dollars (and was featured with Chelsea in Wikileaks emails about Clinton foundation sketchiness). Obviously, having prominent criminals and Clintons in your family network is a complete qualification for judging arcane historical questions about the Talmud.

    And as far as I’m aware almost none of Shahak’s explicit claims about the Talmud or traditional Judaism have ever been directly challenged, while the online availability of his first book allows those so interested to conveniently read it and decide for themselves.

    Those are weasel words. The controversy is (for the most part) not about Shahak’s “explicit claims” that particular phrases appear in particular editions of specific texts. Granting all of his claims, and leaving aside the total impossibility for most readers to check his assertions about passages in numerous ancient editions of the Talmud, the problem is with Shahak’s interpretations and historical extrapolations from those passages up to the present day. Assessing his truthfulness about those requires a lot more expertise and context beyond the textual citations. It is quite clear, e.g. from Shahak’s Wikipedia entry and the links at Werner Cohn’s web page, that Shahak’s veracity has been challenged on various fronts and there is no reason to take his interpretations at face value without further investigation that few people have the ability to undertake.

    The Toaff book, by the way, seemed like a monument of intellectual honesty compared to Shahak and Chomsky. For one thing he uses the recognizable approach of a historian, instead of selections from history as a weapon within a polemical battle. Which again is not to say that (if correct) it does or does not support big-time historical conclusions and a complete reversal of the standard blood libel narrative. That’s a more complex question for which “uh, sounds good to me” doesn’t cut it, especially if the me in question has developed a few decades of motivation to draw certain conclusions.

    It’s similar to the discovery of cannibalism about 1000 years ago among some of the Indian tribes in the American Southwest. Politically inconvenient to some, but not necessarily all-important or a sufficient reason to Flip The Script. That would require further information and thought.

    All these prominent scholars and intellectuals, most of them Jewish, seemed like pretty credible people, and I carefully read their various books and articles, which quite impressed me.

    Anti-Jewish activist ethnic Jews are pretty rare birds, and of course someone inclined to similar views will be prone to laud the work of such activists (let’s call them “anti-Jewish berserkers”). That doesn’t change the factual question of whether the work is correct, but Unz citing Shamir and Chomsky who cite Shahak as a genius is recursive logrolling by the already convinced.

    Do you find it in any way coincidental that you and Chomsky and Shamir and Shahak (and Bobby Fischer) are all male high IQ Jewish nerd “boy genius” STEM types, operating outside their first or second fields of expertise, yet highly prolific and overconfident about sweeping conclusions? It’s almost as if it’s a familiar Jewish pattern. What could possibly go wrong…

  537. @J.Ross

    I’ve been to some fun ones, although I’m glad they didn’t have camera phones the year I heard that C & C Music Factory song and decided I was a Fly Girl.

  538. @Jefferson

    Dumbest comment in the entire thread.
    Sayoc is OBVIOUSLY not white.
    Whites are still the most law abiding group on earth.
    99% of political violence is left on right.
    (And it’s all over Youtube)

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  539. @Jefferson

    You are so FOS it’s hard to respond.

  540. Jefferson says:
    @ACommenter

    “according to globalists in the EU, europe has always been multicultural”

    Europe is multicultural which is why the continent is not united by 1 common shared language. Does your WASP self understand anything that a Macedonian for example says? Can you have a conversation with a Macedonian in his or her language?

  541. renfro says:

    I wasn’t aware that Jews owned Pittsburgh.
    It never dawns on them that their GARGANTUAN displays of hubris like this contributes to their being targets .

    Jewish leaders told President Trump that he is no longer welcome in Pittsburgh

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/413558-jewish-leaders-say-trumps-not-welcome-in-pittsburgh-until-he

    A group of Jewish leaders told President Trump that he is no longer welcome in Pittsburgh until he denounces white nationalism following the shooting at a synagogue there over the weekend.
    Eleven members of the Pittsburgh affiliate of Bend the Arc: A Jewish Partnership for Justice penned a letter to Trump following the Saturday shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue.
    “Our Jewish community is not the only group you have targeted,” the group wrote. “You have also deliberately undermined the safety of people of color, Muslims, LGBTQ people, and people with disabilities. Yesterday’s massacre is not the first act of terror you incited against a minority group in our country.”
    Trump was fiercely criticized after he failed to condemn white supremacy and asserted that there is “blame on both sides” after last year’s white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.
    The group also said Trump is not welcome in the city until he also stops targeting minorities, immigrants and refugees.
    The president has “spread lies and sowed fear about migrant families in Central America,” the group wrote.
    “The Torah teaches that every human being is made b’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God. This means all of us,” the leaders wrote. “In our neighbors, Americans, and people worldwide who have reached out to give our community strength, there we find the image of God.”
    They noted how Squirrel Hill, the Pittsburgh neighborhood where the attack took place, was once the neighborhood where children’s television host Fred Rogers lived.
    “Here in Mr. Rogers’ neighborhood, we express gratitude for the first responders and for the outpouring of support from our neighbors near and far,” they wrote.
    Robert Gregory Bowers, 46, has been arrested and charged with the deaths of 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life Synagogue.
    The attack on the synagogue is the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in U.S. history.
    Trump condemned the attack as “an assault on humanity.”
    “It will require all of us working together to extract the hateful poison of anti-Semitism from our world. This was an anti-Semitic attack at its worst,” Trump said during a rally Saturday night.
    He condemned the gunman as a “wacko” who should get the death penalty and suggested that an “armed guard” at the synagogue could have prevented the attack.
    The president, however, was criticized on social media Saturday night for tweeting about the World Series game shortly after the shooting took place”

    I am not a Trump fan but what the hell more can he say about it then he has already said.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  542. Orangeman says:

    Any day now…frontlash

    “Human rights organizations and Palestinian civil rights activists are now worried the Pittsburgh killings will be seized upon and exploited by opponents by framing criticism of Israels hardline policies as antisemitism”

    or some such.

    Book it.

  543. @IHTG

    You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left

    Heh. Dropping from 90% to 80% white (let alone the your threshold of 50%), especially among the electorate, was already a burgeoning “culture war” accelerator. You, a presumably serious person, are advocating a stance that will be lead to an increasingly chaotic future. If you can’t see how perennial racial strife and culture war are closely intertwined, you’re either blind or bullshitting.

  544. snorlax says:
    @27 year old

    31yo, I often like your comments, but, really, this is not the time or the place. I’ve been very critical of blacks before, but not in the thread about the Charleston shooting.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @AndrewR
  545. @Jack D

    … within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder — is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    Totally irrelevant.

    Life is full of danger. The mortality rate for each person stands at 100%, AFAICT. If Jews or any other group or individuals are afraid of being physically attacked, they should arm up and be capable fighters.

    The question for legitimate and loyal citizens of “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” is: How does one conduct oneself while living? For freedom-loving true Americans, the idea of broadly censoring non-violent legal speech, or banning weapons, is anathema.

    Any termite in the US who considers the First Amendment a mere “tradition” should consider emigrating ASAP.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  546. @Marty T

    spout tropes from half a century ago

    More relevantly, there are powerful Jews in contemporary public life that are actual living “tropes from half a century ago”: Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, Soros, etc, etc, etc. One would think they’d be eager to prove they aren’t ‘usual suspect’ villains, but no, they’re proud to do the opposite. It’s a funny ol’ world.

  547. One important point: isn’t it good that Stephen Miller has the president’s ear in crafting the administration’s response to the propaganda born of this incident? A righteous man.

    We will see how it plays out over the next several days. Apparently the Pittsburgh Jewish community has told America’s president that he is “not welcome” in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, until he disavows “white nationalists.”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  548. There are some very stupid comments in this thread. More than usual.
    The alt-right isn’t dying. The alt-right is exploding. I’m redpilling every white person I know.
    I have never heard anyone on the right advocate violence.
    While 99% of political violence is left on right, and I’ve SEEN the clips so you can’t say that I’m lying. The left is both violent and stupid. Most people on the right, white Christian people, believe in the rule of law and abhor violence.
    BUT…..if things don’t turn around, and SOON, I can see more people snapping. Not all of our men will react like SkyKing and kill themselves.
    Massive immigration must be STOPPED.
    Some idiot above said that becoming like Brazil wouldn’t be so bad.
    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
    Brazil is a favela HELL.
    I’m sorry about the synagogue attack. However, Jewish lives are not worth more than gentile lives.
    More blacks are killed in one weekend in Chicago than were killed in that synagogue.
    I will fight for both free speech and gun rights, and everyone I know will do the same.
    My hope is that the Jewish community will reassess their anti-white social engineering programs and stop trying to WRECK America and all of western civilization. I have never wished for harm to Jewish people, although I despise the ADL, the SPLC, AIPAC, etc.
    They are not going to be able to play whack a mole at this point because the awakening is too far along. Whites are waking up exponentially. Whites WILL organize to defend themselves and there is no stopping it. And the more the (((left))) tries to clamp down the WORSE it’s going to be, because the free exchange of ideas promotes a healthy society, while censorship causes discontent to fester into RAGE.
    I often wonder why the Jews have not learned anything from being kicked out so many times.
    BACK OFF.
    For your own good, BACK OFF.
    Stop pushing open borders for God’s sake!
    What is the point of wrecking the host society?
    Grow up and stop being so arrogant and blind.

  549. @Ibound1

    General Pop would solve a lot of problems. And save money.

  550. @AKAHorace

    A ban on public full-face coverings (besides during carnivals or Halloween) is already the law in many jurisdictions. I think that would cover burkas as well. They can still be free to wear the rest of the getup.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  551. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    They should have accepted the offer of an armed guard.

  552. @academic gossip

    Pretty sure Fischer was 7th-day Adventist.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  553. @snorlax

    The fallen are Americans. We’re all in mourning here.

    We’re also in grave danger of imminently losing the liberties our ancestors have enjoyed for generations, the very liberties which brought many of them to these shores, on the pretext of the incident which is the subject of this thread.

    That too is of pressing concern, and that is the context of which he speaks.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  554. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Why shouldn’t Ron look at the Jewish question from the opposite perspective even if he’s Jewish?

    Look, I’m white. I’m well aware that whites enslaved blacks, and I know for a fact that some of my personal ancestors did it. Yet I can deal with the notion that not all whites are good, including my ancestors. It doesn’t make me freak out and fly into denials that it ever happened.

    Now, why do you think Ron is crazy for looking at his own Jewish people that way? Normal, psychologically-well adjusted adults accept the fact that their own kind isn’t always squeaky clean or in the right all the time.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  555. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    White nationalism attracts too many damaged and dysfunctional people to ever amount to anything.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  556. @Lurker

    What about Breivik? Was there any negative political fallout from that much larger massacre?

    • Replies: @snorlax
  557. snorlax says:
    @ben tillman

    Yes, the Progress Party (think Nigel Farage or Geert Wilders), which had been leading in the polls, immediately lost over half their support and still to this day haven’t fully recovered.

    Not unlike this Bowers guy, Breivik was vehemently opposed to the Progress Party, whom he considered sellout cucks. Not that it did them any good.

  558. Dtbb says:
    @Achilles

    Could this incident be looked back upon by history as a modern Harper’s Ferry?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  559. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Rational

    What do you mean, “in effect”? Blacks ran Whites out of Detroit by means including firebombing of occupied homes.

    I meant “up to and including in actuality”. Your point is well taken.

  560. @Marty T

    “The Jews” of the present and future are comprised of (1) partial Jews with substantial gentile or asian ancestry and (2) mostly right wing orthodox and hasidic.

    No, that is wildly false. The organized Jewish community has all the same goals it had 50 years ago.

  561. @Dissident

    In the case of that and any other similar attacks in-question, would you at least concede that the perpetrator (a) was motivated by a desire to kill and/or otherwise harm Jews, and, (b) had expressly targeted Jews?

    Absolutely not. The facts show he deliberately passed over all the available Jewish targets. He was asking people whether they were Jewish, and if they said yes he didn’t shoot.

  562. snorlax says:
    @Desiderius

    The fallen are Americans. We’re all in mourning here.

    Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case for a vocal minority ITT.

    We’re also in grave danger of imminently losing the liberties our ancestors have enjoyed for generations, the very liberties which brought many of them to these shores, on the pretext of the incident which is the subject of this thread.

    Announcing that you’re going to kill Jews (or anyone else) is not, should not be, and has never been protected by the First Amendment.

    The problem is that the only organizations with enough resources and manpower to find and remove all or at least a nontrivial percentage of such illegal threats are the already-established, and SJW-leftist, social media companies like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. And we know these companies will abuse their reasonable power to remove (and report to authorities, if appropriate) illegal content, to also censor content they disagree with.

    The bottom line is it probably isn’t possible to create a viable (or even morally sound) “right-wing Twitter,” for that reason. Silver lining is I’m increasingly convinced that social media breeds insanity, both figuratively and literally. If we can stay saner than the left, that’s a huge advantage.

    That too is of pressing concern, and that is the context of which he speaks.

    That’s not how it read to me, but if that were the intended meaning then my apologies.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  563. @academic gossip

    It’s perfectly possible to have reasoned disagreement about these issues. I don’t think you want that though. The ADL certainly doesn’t want that. The important thing is to maintain the “Jews always good, white goys always bad (except when – and only so long as – they agree that Jews always good)” narrative.

  564. BB753 says:
    @Lurker

    Manipulation and lack of intelligence. I sense the FBI is behind this. Push a wacko to the edge, encourage him through a mole and you’ve got a killing that not only will support the Narrative, but also fill the SPLC’s coffers.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @notanon
  565. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Not enforced, my friend, not enforced. Also, typically (and certainly for federal Constitutional law purposes), such bans on face coverings apply only to people who cover their faces in facilitation of crime. Originally these laws were drafted to protect people from KKK-style anonymous lynch-mob vigilantism. Now, they certainly apply to Antifa. The places where Antifa operates, like Berkeley, Seattle, NY, and Portland, do not enforce these obviously applicable laws against Antifa (though NY’s corrupt DA is now prosecuting people who defended lawful Republican party guest speakers against Antifa’s attacks).

    Any solution? Yes, the Justice Department should fill the gaps in legal enforcement evident in jurisdictions controlled by lawless radicalism.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  566. @Rosamond Vincy

    Fischer’s mother was a practicing Jew (according to Taimanov) and confirmed FBI-monitored Communist, but largely absent. His presumed father and friend of the family was Jewish, and he never met his nominal German father. He wasn’t so much raised secular as not raised at all.

    Fischer joined a 7th day Adventist church later in life, and eventually quit. He always had hostile feelings toward Judaism that became full blown exterminationist anti-Semitism as he got older.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Dissident
  567. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Yes, we agree that laws should be enforced if Constitutionally congruent. In the case of burkas in a broad anti-mask jurisdiction, if de facto exemptions are made in deference to religion, some jokesters should further test the law by claiming their own (made-up) religion and wear their own stylized masks, following the example of Pastafarians:

    https://www.boston.com/news/omg/2015/11/15/woman-permitted-to-wear-a-colander-in-her-mass-license-photo

  568. @ACommenter

    ok, I know people claim ‘false flag’ at every opportunity but…. this is riduculous…

    I’m not quite sure what you mean: that it’s ridiculous to call this incident a false flag, or that it’s ridiculous to call this incident anything but a false flag…

  569. @ariadna

    Really, are you telling me there’s no causal link between violent political rhetoric and political violence??

  570. bomag says:
    @Bill P

    formal nationalities policy… allowing for communal rights

    Good idea, but it won’t fly because certain “historically disadvantaged minorities” have communal rights NOW under which they can loot YT, so all is good under the current arrangement; no need to change.

  571. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I am not blaming anyone but the Nazis for the Holocaust. I was responding to Tyrion2′s post which appeared to be asking why recent murders of whites by black racists did not attract more attention. Well, my point was the biggest episode of racial murder in the world was by a white supremacist political organisation which believed Jews were treacherous (among other things) and had to be eliminated for the good of the volk. So if another white supremacist who hates Jews comes along and racks up a double-digit death toll in a synagogue that is going to be a bigger story. I doubt anyone believes American blacks are going to embark on a program of targeted killings of whites. Up to the day of the shooting most anti-Jewish animus in the US consisted of keyboard venting. Hopefully this was a one-off and won’t inspire copycat killers looking to become celebrities.

  572. @Stealth

    No, I don’t. See my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears, thanks.

  573. @Colin Wright

    Hi Colin, see my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears.

  574. anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    You have avoided answering my question in the affirmative. To repeat the question:

    Would you be willing to consider reading primary Jewish religious texts in order to confirm whether the claim [made by Shahak and then by you] that Jews worship Satan is true?

    You responded, “Sure, that’s perfectly reasonable” and then proceeded to cite yourself saying:

    my own total lack of Aramaic and Hebrew necessarily forces me to rely upon the research of others, and the late Prof. Shahak, an award-winning Israeli academic, certainly seems a fine source to use.

    Your answer to my question above is apparently ‘no’. And you apply the circular reasoning that you can rely on the eccentric chemist Shahak, along with his Israel hating ideological allies, to establish the credibility of Shahak?

    If you believe that Jew’s worship Satan, why do you not simply read through the Jewish text used for religious worship, a prayer book, to see if you can find any evidence of this? After all, such a claim would seem to be quite dramatic. Why not validate it by checking an easily accessible resource? Wouldn’t that seem to be equally “perfectly reasonable,” as you say?

    Can you see how fair minded observers would question your motivations and your willingness to apply common sense judgement on matters related to Jews and Judaism?

    P.S. Since you were apparently raised with a Jewish identity in some form and have attended synagogue, do you recall seeing or hearing of Satan worship at any point? If not, why not?

    P.P.S. All primary Jewish religious texts in Aramaic and Hebrew are easily accessible online in English. Claiming ignorance of Aramaic and Hebrew as reason to rely on Shahak’s writings and translations in English does not add up.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  575. @YetAnotherAnon

    “He who draws his sword against his prince should throw away the scabbard” as Machiavelli put it.

    That’s a great quote to describe exactly what has been going on since Trump took office in 2016. Every weapon of the deep state has been on full display 24/7 nonstop. The only reason they’ve stopped short of assassination so far is because it would be too obvious at this point. That really would trigger a violent civil war imo.

  576. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?

    Yes it does.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  577. Moshe says:

    Jack,

    Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.

    As a fellow proud to belong to a supposed culture of critique I, like an outsized number of my ethnics, am drawn to engage with people who are willing to openly doubt the reigning consensus while also being somewhat intelligent and rational. That’s why, and you, are interested in reading Steve — despite the fact that a solid 20% of his commentariot believe the same things that Bowers does about Da Jooz. (And it’s kept down to 20% because about 30% of Steve’s commentators are themselves at least 1/4 Jewish or have one as a close blood relative. Can you imagine how dumb the comment thread here would be without the Jews around here keeping it ever so slightly above sanity level??)

    And I disagree with what you are suggesting Jack

    FREE THOUGHT AND FREE SPEECH has to be weighed against its alternative, just like democracy must be weighed against its alternative.

    We worship at the altar of free speech not because all speech is good or because none of it is pernicious but because holding the God of Free Speech above all other gods means that rationality and wisdom and goodness have a way back in to the door.

    The !RonPaul¡ autists think that free speech will always, as a law of nature, bring about the best results.

    Horseshit.

    If we had the ability to shut the mouths and unplug the keyboards of every bad or stupid person the world would be a lot better for it.

    But who are the bad and the stupid?

    Yes, you and I and 80% of the locals can agree on most of who the Undoubtedly Bad Or Stupid are but even if you are in charge today, if you set a precedent allowing for that sort of power of censorship, then who will be in charge tomorrow?

    The Supreme Court erred on the side of Free Speech when they let that family of moron lawyers continue to shout “God Hates Fags!” at the funerals of our military men and when they decided that photographic pornography was some sort of speech and when they allowed neo nazis to march through a neighborhood of Jewish Holocaust Survivors in Skokie.

    I’m sure each and every member of The Court did not agree with the religious teachings of that moron from kansas but they feared that any curtailing of certain freedoms (see also: Bill of Rights) today will be used without any chance of successful opposition by TPTB tomorrow.

    The 4th Amendment is already dead and buried. The 2nd Amendment has morphed into something wholly different than it was intended to be (“a local bullet-backed check on the power of the government” duh).

    But the principles of the 1st Amendment ought to remain enshrined. Heck, I would expand them back to allowing for open calls for revolution. People have suffered and some have died because of Free Speech. Many many many more suffer and die where there is no free speech.

    =====

    Addendum: If you were addressing yourself to the jew-hating commentators themselves, you can not convince a pig not to be a pig and to have pig thoughts and to believe that pig thoughts are glorious and true and ought to be believed by one an all.

    What I myself have done however is to address myself to Steve himself, in both public and private, on the following two points, the first of which isn’t relative to the one you raised but I’ll repeat it anyway.

    A. The ideas and analyses and truths that he brings to the fore (not to mention often brilliant writing) are beyond question. What IS in question however is whether he isn’t also [MAINLY INADVERTENTLY] providing a distorted picture of reality to the vast vast majority of his readers and also doing them quite a bit of harm. [Let me hasten to add that he is also doing them good by entertaining them, informing them, having their back with data and his culture of critique, and - last but DEFINITELY NOT LEAST - by influencing policy through having his ideas and analyses and knowledge read by people like Steve Miller and Ann Coulter and (at some point anyway) Steven Pinker and other more publicly accepted academics.] A goodly amount of his readers and commentators however end up believing in an incredibly distorted version of A. Things like “Black People” and “Yale University” and B. The World and Life. And thus they end up misengaging with many things and, far far worse they end up FEELING less happy and more defeated. . . My suggestion to Steve regarding that second point (and bo doubt it would do a whole lot of good for Steve himself too) is to have an Isteve Sabbath where he can turn his unique and absolutely extraordinary personality and skills toward information that is uplifting. I don’t mean pseudo-science and I don’t mean shmaltz and I don’t mean pro-citizenism good news or pinkeresque graphs about a millennium long decline in infant mortality. I mean….well, it isn’t for me to say. Steve is a Great Man of a unique and rare sort, what his Weekend or Wednesday posts will look like when he legitimately and unsardonically looks at life is as yet unknown. To me and perhaps to him. But Steve is no old dog and creating happiness is no new trick. The world will be a whole heckuva lot improved if Isteve went inspirational one day a week. Because, you know what? Damn, this world is fine!

    B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incresibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz [where there are serious, ron unz supported, articles claiming that Jews actually used christian blood in their matzahs and faked the holocaust -- As for Hebraic Ron himself...Ron, you need to watch "A Beautiful Mind". I realize that for a man with an ego as large as yours, you aren't likely to look for help but you are also about as fair-minded a man as can exist. You LOVE truth. Well, prove it. Is there a drug (and yes, it must be a drug or some surgery I am unaware of, no book by Mencken or Aristotle will do it, don't fool yourself!), so, is there a drug that can help you distinguish between patterns that point to something real and patterns that are noise your brain is amplifying in the hope of it pointing to something real and new and maybe even shhhhh forbidden? I don't know if you love truth more than you fear recognizing that there is a bug in your computer system. I hope so. It will probably improve your happiness in the immediate and in the long term to recognize this and people like Greg, Razib, Steve and many others will once again respect you AS MUCH AS THEY WISH THEY COULD. Because there is a lot to respect. It's just that your servings of creme brulee have a significant sized ball of fecal matter peeking through the crust, which makes the rest of the delicious dessert a bit harder to enjoy.]

    Back to Steve. ÷ B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incredibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz.

    I have things to do so I will have to keep the rest to shorthand.

    The skewed picture of the Jews that many people here have (and if you are reading this you are not one of those people I am referring to) is that Jews more or less all work together promoting and helping each other at the expense of non-jews and that the only reason they are not yet running the whole world is because all they have is tribalism and a complete lack of ethics and maybe a few extra iq points, and so far that has not been enough. But, left unchecked, “The Jews”, for reasons either magical or evolutionary, will continue to cause all of the wars in the world and to enslave all of its people for themselves.

    The majority of the truth however (and just the majority of it, the pareto principle if you will) is so simple it can be stated in a small sentence that is insanely easy to understand and for every confused reader of Steve’s to wrap his head around. His ego however is likely to be far less stretchy. “Regarding attainment to the higher classes in various fields, as Blacks are to Whites, Whites are to Jews. And within those classes, people primarily act similar to other members of their class.” This is not The Whole Of The Law but it explains the lions share, including why Blacks think there is a Conspiracy by Whites and Whites think there’s a Conspriacy by Jews, etc.

    Gotta go. Be happy, be sweet, have fun and have a great day :) Moshe

  578. Moshe says:
    @JackOH

    Jack,

    Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.

    As a fellow proud to belong to a supposed culture of critique I, like an outsized number of my ethnics, am drawn to engage with people who are willing to openly doubt the reigning consensus while also being somewhat intelligent and rational. That’s why, and you, are interested in reading Steve — despite the fact that a solid 20% of his commentariot believe the same things that Bowers does about Da Jooz. (And it’s kept down to 20% because about 30% of Steve’s commentators are themselves at least 1/4 Jewish or have one as a close blood relative. Can you imagine how dumb the comment thread here would be without the Jews around here keeping it ever so slightly above sanity level??)

    And I disagree with what you are suggesting Jack

    FREE THOUGHT AND FREE SPEECH has to be weighed against its alternative, just like democracy must be weighed against its alternative.

    We worship at the altar of free speech not because all speech is good or because none of it is pernicious but because holding the God of Free Speech above all other gods means that rationality and wisdom and goodness have a way back in to the door.

    The !RonPaul¡ autists think that free speech will always, as a law of nature, bring about the best results.

    Horseshit.

    [MORE]

    If we had the ability to shut the mouths and unplug the keyboards of every bad or stupid person the world would be a lot better for it.

    But who are the bad and the stupid?

    Yes, you and I and 80% of the locals can agree on most of who the Undoubtedly Bad Or Stupid are but even if you are in charge today, if you set a precedent allowing for that sort of power of censorship, then who will be in charge tomorrow?

    The Supreme Court erred on the side of Free Speech when they let that family of moron lawyers continue to shout “God Hates Fags!” at the funerals of our military men and when they decided that photographic pornography was some sort of speech and when they allowed neo nazis to march through a neighborhood of Jewish Holocaust Survivors in Skokie.

    I’m sure each and every member of The Court did not agree with the religious teachings of that moron from kansas but they feared that any curtailing of certain freedoms (see also: Bill of Rights) today will be used without any chance of successful opposition by TPTB tomorrow.

    The 4th Amendment is already dead and buried. The 2nd Amendment has morphed into something wholly different than it was intended to be (“a local bullet-backed check on the power of the government” duh).

    But the principles of the 1st Amendment ought to remain enshrined. Heck, I would expand them back to allowing for open calls for revolution. People have suffered and some have died because of Free Speech. Many many many more suffer and die where there is no free speech.

    =====

    Addendum: If you were addressing yourself to the jew-hating commentators themselves, you can not convince a pig not to be a pig and to have pig thoughts and to believe that pig thoughts are glorious and true and ought to be believed by one an all.

    What I myself have done however is to address myself to Steve himself, in both public and private, on the following two points, the first of which isn’t relative to the one you raised but I’ll repeat it anyway.

    A. The ideas and analyses and truths that he brings to the fore (not to mention often brilliant writing) are beyond question. What IS in question however is whether he isn’t also [MAINLY INADVERTENTLY] providing a distorted picture of reality to the vast vast majority of his readers and also doing them quite a bit of harm. [Let me hasten to add that he is also doing them good by entertaining them, informing them, having their back with data and his culture of critique, and - last but DEFINITELY NOT LEAST - by influencing policy through having his ideas and analyses and knowledge read by people like Steve Miller and Ann Coulter and (at some point anyway) Steven Pinker and other more publicly accepted academics.] A goodly amount of his readers and commentators however end up believing in an incredibly distorted version of A. Things like “Black People” and “Yale University” and B. The World and Life. And thus they end up misengaging with many things and, far far worse they end up FEELING less happy and more defeated. . . My suggestion to Steve regarding that second point (and bo doubt it would do a whole lot of good for Steve himself too) is to have an Isteve Sabbath where he can turn his unique and absolutely extraordinary personality and skills toward information that is uplifting. I don’t mean pseudo-science and I don’t mean shmaltz and I don’t mean pro-citizenism good news or pinkeresque graphs about a millennium long decline in infant mortality. I mean….well, it isn’t for me to say. Steve is a Great Man of a unique and rare sort, what his Weekend or Wednesday posts will look like when he legitimately and unsardonically looks at life is as yet unknown. To me and perhaps to him. But Steve is no old dog and creating happiness is no new trick. The world will be a whole heckuva lot improved if Isteve went inspirational one day a week. Because, you know what? Damn, this world is fine!

    B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incresibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz [where there are serious, ron unz supported, articles claiming that Jews actually used christian blood in their matzahs and faked the holocaust -- As for Hebraic Ron himself...Ron, you need to watch "A Beautiful Mind". I realize that for a man with an ego as large as yours, you aren't likely to look for help but you are also about as fair-minded a man as can exist. You LOVE truth. Well, prove it. Is there a drug (and yes, it must be a drug or some surgery I am unaware of, no book by Mencken or Aristotle will do it, don't fool yourself!), so, is there a drug that can help you distinguish between patterns that point to something real and patterns that are noise your brain is amplifying in the hope of it pointing to something real and new and maybe even shhhhh forbidden? I don't know if you love truth more than you fear recognizing that there is a bug in your computer system. I hope so. It will probably improve your happiness in the immediate and in the long term to recognize this and people like Greg, Razib, Steve and many others will once again respect you AS MUCH AS THEY WISH THEY COULD. Because there is a lot to respect. It's just that your servings of creme brulee have a significant sized ball of fecal matter peeking through the crust, which makes the rest of the delicious dessert a bit harder to enjoy.]

    Back to Steve. ÷ B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incredibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz.

    I have things to do so I will have to keep the rest to shorthand.

    The skewed picture of the Jews that many people here have (and if you are reading this you are not one of those people I am referring to) is that Jews more or less all work together promoting and helping each other at the expense of non-jews and that the only reason they are not yet running the whole world is because all they have is tribalism and a complete lack of ethics and maybe a few extra iq points, and so far that has not been enough. But, left unchecked, “The Jews”, for reasons either magical or evolutionary, will continue to cause all of the wars in the world and to enslave all of its people for themselves.

    The majority of the truth however (and just the majority of it, the pareto principle if you will) is so simple it can be stated in a small sentence that is insanely easy to understand and for every confused reader of Steve’s to wrap his head around. His ego however is likely to be far less stretchy. “Regarding attainment to the higher classes in various fields, as Blacks are to Whites, Whites are to Jews. And within those classes, people primarily act similar to other members of their class.” This is not The Whole Of The Law but it explains the lions share, including why Blacks think there is a Conspiracy by Whites and Whites think there’s a Conspriacy by Jews, etc.

    Gotta go. Be happy, be sweet, have fun and have a great day :) Moshe

    • Agree: Thea
  579. @IHTG

    “A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics.”
    It has been a huge success for the left to associate any pro-white / anti-immigration position with authoritarian aka “masculine” politics.

  580. Realist says:
    @El Dato

    “It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related”

    Really

    X, Y and Z are very much alike. They are all political statements and are used by the left and MSM, but I repeat myself, to casting asper