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From Heavy’s write-up of the latest bad guy:
… Bowers was armed with an AR-15 ‘style’ rifle, in addition to multiple handguns. CNN’s Shimon Prokupecz later reported that Bowers had a license to carry a firearm. Since 1996, Bowers has bought six guns. … KDKA has described Bowers as being a “heavy-set white male with a beard.” …
Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups and others who have been kicked off of mainstream social media sites. Bowers went by the moniker One Dingo …
In a post a few days before the shooting, Bowers wrote, “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.” … In another message, Bowers wrote of Trump, “For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat.” Bowers is a registered voter but is unaffiliated. Online records show that Bowers had no criminal record in the state of Pennsylvania.
It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right
It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.
The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.
Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.
There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.
I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.
If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?
I sense you were struggling for a thread title that didn’t sound ironic….
‘Screw the optics, I’m going in’ will inevitably become a macabre meme.
You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??
A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?
October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.
Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.
“….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.
It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire. If someone wanted to devote himself to evil, there are effective ways. I won’t mention them, but they exist. I think an ugly turning point will come when people realize this for themselves. But as long as the ridiculous “mass shooting” is the fashionable thing, it won’t happen.
It’s an FBI job.
The synagogue shooting is awful stuff, and the alleged shooter needs to be vigorously prosecuted.
I’ve only briefly scanned the political hub-bub attending this shooting and the arrest of that Florida mail bomb suspect a bit earlier. There are the “climate of opinion” folks who assert, more or less, that President Trump, for whom I didn’t vote, is somewhat responsible for these bad acts because his rhetoric somehow empowers these outlier criminal deeds.
I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?
Because they’re violent psychopaths?
In reply to Lurker:
If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.
Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.
Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn’t require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.
But you’re right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?
Not that it’ll bother the idiots who think like him. They’ll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them – the enlightened – at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.
On a different note:
https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/
Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.
Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.
James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.
Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”
Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.
None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.
The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera. You had to be a big shot didn’t ya you had to open up your mouth you had to have a white hot spotlight you had to be a big shot last night.
A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.
Awful attack. In my view, we all need to calm down a bit. The current political atmosphere in the United States isn’t pretty, and it’s getting worse here in Europe too.
Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.
The political polarization in this nation reminds me of this scene in Do The Right Thing.
He was probably genuinely angry and lost control. It happens all the time with Palestinians. In fact I’m beginning to see a lot of parallels between legacy Americans and Palestinians, much of the discourse from that conflict is applicable here. A few more attacks like this will basically constitute an American intifada. I can already picture Israeli security experts arriving in America to advise the Jewish community on how to better manage the restive American population, as well as walls going up around Jewish neighborhoods, complete with security checkpoints for gentiles.
I am genuinely concerned that my freedom will be increasingly curtailed as collective punishment for these sorts of terrorist attacks. We need a two state solution.
Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at “the Jews” is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific “foreign invaders” who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the “Caravan of Doom” heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.
Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being “good Jews” and even consider them potential allies against the “bad Jews” like George Soros…
Seems like these racists are emboldened by Trumps rhetoric.
This is why a blue wave is necessary
Another deranged antiTrumper committing violence. The left has no concern for anyone but themselves so the feel free to attack and kill others.
This guy read this site.
That tells you something right there.
All this proves that white men are the scourge of the earth.
I had no idea as to the first half of the ‘screw the optics’ quote. Imagine the ADL’s donation bonanza this year. Maybe they will finally have the resources to go after you…namely unlimited.
“It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right”
Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.
And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.
The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.
For anyone who considers the idea of false-flags or covert government manipulation absurd in this context , please consider the Northwoods Operations proposed by the Joint Chiefs in 1963 to justify an invasion of Cuba to get rid of Castro. I guarantee that the current heirs of these guys have much greater capabilities than they did, and are much more concerned about Trump than they were about Castro. Some excerpts (emphasis mine) Note that having lots of alternatively real or phony casualties is not considered a problem:
https://publicintelligence.net/operation-northwoods-documents/
“Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).
You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews and probably killed more people than the Holocaust but we don’t hear much about that because as Lenin said it all comes down to who and whom
“Was this guy a poster on Unz.com?”
Does a bear shit in the woods?
So now tiny Unz.com rules the airwaves, while the gigantic MSM with their constant globo-homo anti-white agitprop affects absolutely nothing?
You are an idiot.
The shooter evidently made no distinction between “good Jews” and “bad Jews”. He shot indiscriminately at everybody in the synagogue within range of his firearms.
Your prescription is more than a bit oxymoronic, especially for those whose esteemed “way of life” is/was significantly (if unconsciously) defined by living amongst—shock and horror—an overwhelmingly white milieu and power structure.
Seems like you’re doing your Wormtongue best to sugarcoat a fatal blackpill.
Mass shooting trivia: The 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue massacre occurred withhin 2 miles of the , still unsolved, 2016 Wilkinsburg massacre.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Wilkinsburg_mass_shooting
There were actually 2 unsolved massacres in 2016.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio,_shootings
It is the Russians says the Washington Post! Damn you Putin! Why didn’t we think of this? Who better for the Russians to use than a Filipino exotic dancer, steroid freak living in his van? A great cover.
The Washington Post is all over this breakthrough
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/27/mail-bomb-suspect-made-numerous-references-facebook-russian-associates-echoed-pro-kremlin-views/?fbclid=IwAR1Rgn4SvtBFsvzD8qkRWvVqhSyDb_7qnhBc_Da8e-3fsW3rxwZnki8zI-0&noredirect=on&utm_term=.7faed0094117
Begging the question, methinks.
It’s been said on this blog that “The Future Is Unwritten.”
He was screaming “all Jews must die”.
His GAB account looks like that of one of your most true-believing followers.
(I wonder if he had a moment where he noticed that the Jews weren’t worshipping Satan and sacrificing the baby?)
This obviously isn’t your fault, but you blaming Fox News is pretty pathetic.
Also, the vast majority of people want less immigration. It is not an extreme viewpoint.
Satire is not easy. Yours is a diligent but gauche attempt. Still, I give you 5 points for effort. Come again much improved.
Are you talking about random violence or focused violence?
and Iran.
“The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.”
Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.
“There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.”
The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.
The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.
https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014
Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.
This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.
I’d prefer rather not to – – be ironic right now, and it might also not be the perfect moment to speculate about – – – an obviously troubled mind.
OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?
Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.
To read the press, this guy is the White-Right Django, but in the old context where Django was a bad guy and not a folk-hero.
““….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.”
If you mass shoot up synagogues or you are a swastika flag waving LARPer than Donald Trump Trump is a globalist compared to you.
If Sayoc had sent duplicates of clock boy’s creation to everyone instead of pseudo bombs, it would have been an epic troll.
How many whites were murdered by blacks this week?
When has the truth of this case ever mattered to the people holding the megaphone?
Oddly, for those who are more violent and less peaceful than other races, the megaphone holders never condemn them but only announce what their deeds make incumbent on the rest of us to do for them.
tl;dr: There has always been a double standard among the MSM, and there will continue to be a double standard.
Bowers is an asshole. I hope they fry him. Trump and his supporters have been handily outwitting and defeating America’s well funded enemies through the process without this guy’s homicidal racism. When jerks like him come along and kill civilians, it gives our enemies who control the megaphone all they need to establish a moral equivalence between what they do, which destroys the lives of millions of US citizens, to the insane actions of a few people identified as Trump supporters. Obviously the insane rhetoric and violent street actions funded by wealthy liberals and parroted by Maxine Waters and other lefty politicians sets off crazies on both sides. That’s by design.
My impression is that they’re virtually extinct. Did Geraldo really play a key role?
I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.
I guess the ADL, which is sort of either the junior- or senior-league counterpart to the $PLC, has officially certified this as the deadliest Anti-Semitic incident in American history. That is has 11 bodies might prompt one to ask, if one has a sense of scale of atrocity in American history, whether that’s either an outrage or else a prompt for “wow, there really haven’t been that many serious anti-Semitic incidents in American history, Mr. Peabody.”
Does the “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle” survive, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, CNC machines, and 3D printing notwithstanding the blood of the Chosen? Survey sez?
And what do the “blood of the Chosen” count for a week from an election, where “Cheeto Hitler” is moving the embassy to Jerusalem, the last dozen anti-Semitic incidents’ Caller ID was from Tel Aviv, and “Trump is a globalist” is a googleable phrase? Survey sez?
It would be better if the United States remained a majority white country. By all means, work towards that goal. But making your entire worldview contingent on it marks you as an unserious person. You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left, the stakes of which are the moral legitimacy of the nation-state itself. Your duty to oppose them doesn’t change if the white percentage of the population flips from 50% to 49.9%, and nobody other than cranks would follow a person who believed such a thing.
Ron, you must feel proud that Unz is now considered important enough that it is attracting a growing number of leftist trolls. Accusations of “you’re all rayyycist” add greatly to the educational value of the site. Welcome to the big leagues!
pathetic from you…… I am awaiting the little duck to weigh in.
not really,even trump is not good enough for this retard.
HIAS is helping refugees and poor people, as do the Quakers and the Lutherans and other religious welfare organizations. Yet the attack was on a synagogue, because the obsessive and negative focusing on the Jews. Like this blog.
200 people have been shot and 46 of those were killed in Chicago just in the month of October alone. It is likely 80% were black and another 13% were Hispanic, based on the year’s percentages.
Definitely not making the case that you think anything at all like Thomas Jefferson, or that you understand concepts like proportion, math, or narrative.
I think you mean a mass-simultaneous-organic-collective-red pilling of THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MAJORITY….there is safety in numbers….
Imagine if 100,000 WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MEN had descended upon Charlottesville in August 2017….
Well……what if White Genocide is true? What should be the proper response of millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES? The epidemiology statistics are overwhelmingly clear about this:White Genocide is not a paranoid delusion…..it’s very real….Noam Chomsky:”White Males are dying…..”
Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?
Who are you quoting and what are you talking about with “blood of the Chosen”? Google says it has something to do with Warcraft Online but I suspect it is merely part of whatever Bowersesque anti-Semitic fantasy you get off on.
Are you suggesting that all white gentiles share some blame for the Holocaust?
Still trying to have it both ways, Ron? I guess that’s why there’s not a big DONATE button at the top of every page. I know you pay your writers peanuts – that’s why you get so many monkeys contributing their columns – but surely the hosting costs a chunk of change. Big Jewish donors, huh? Can’t criticize the Jews, huh? No matter where you go, there they are.
Since you brought up Westboro Baptist Church, a very small insular hard to join primitive Baptist group, their response is:
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
God Sent the Shooter and other videos:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/video/signmovies.html
Scroll down to ‘God Sent the Shooter’. I could not find a direct link and the unofficial versions on YouTube are vandalized with Nazi type symbols, possibly because the Westboro YouTube channel was shut down.
Given how American whites have been villified, impugned and dispossessed since 1965 their reaction thus far has been remarkably restrained. No other people would tolerate a race of interlopers in the Jews to gain so much power and use that power to replace the majority people via mass importation of racially alien stocks and organizing and inflaming those racial aliens against the white majority.
Great Point! Let’s sit around and become Brazil since things aren’t so bad down there. Except they are.
This is a terrible, stupid, senseless tragedy.
this may sound quaint but I believe sacred spaces are just that…. not saying someone should kill someone anywhere, obviously but its particularly odious to do it in a sacred space. Security – including armed security has become a regular thing at my church at big events like Christmas, this was never the case before.
But this is going to become huge political capital…
Roosh quipped “It’s okay if you happen to miss the details of today’s synagogue shooting: you’ll be reminded of it daily for the next 70 years.”
-also it looks like Gab’s provider is pulling hosting…
- i suspect this will be the incident that makes the second amendment invalid.
- a few years ago I read a book by a former mossad agent that claimed jewish groups used synagogues and cultural centers to store caches of weapons in case of a mass anti-semetic attack.
one thing i am curious about with all the muslim terrorism in this country why have they rarely or ever targeted jews?
Wrong wrong and wrong
“Alt-Right” talking points that were basically unheard of outside of this comment section in 2011 are now on FOX NEWS every night to 4 million viewers.
The “Alt-Right” is making a good play to replace basic bitch corporate conservatism. This could become the explicit political ideology of 70 million Americans…
Don’t even try to @ me with some weak ass hair splitting crap about what “Alt Right” “really” refers to.
We need to get back to the 19th century for it was a much more groovy time period in US History…
Irish and Jewish Solidarity!!!….remember the good ol’ days of Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers….
You should read Samuel Gompers testimony before the US Congress…….God Bless Jewish Socialist Labor Leader Samuel Gompers!!!……and don’t forget the Jew Confederate Shelby Foote…..
Archie Bunker was really a Jew…..Norman Lear’s Father….
Well….The alt left has certainly surpassed them in political violence. Given this guy’s apparent love of Hitler and national socialism, there can be little doubt that this was another violent leftist.
Trump’s luck is running out. In 2016, the most newsworthy mass murders we’re by second generation Muslim immigrants. I know second generation immigrant is an oxymoron but in those cases it fit
You know the Saudis were like, ” phew ! long news cycle uh ? lets head back to the palace for pizza and concubines saleeem. ”
Who knows really. Maybe one in ten of these habbenings has some nefarious behind the scenes protaganist. You can’t say the Russians ! are responsible for everything, and discount other groups picking up on that. If the US can be influenced by some goons dickin around on twitter, hell lets run a few double blinds up the flag pole and see if we can point things in the direction of our interests.
Unleash the krackens !
Your concern trolling is admirable.
More Irish-Jew cooperation:boxer Jack Dempsey…….
Believed in the superiority of whites, angry at “filthy” Jews for enabling “filthy” Muslims and highly violent central Americans to invade the US. Looks to be have been specifically triggered by the migrant caravan. Sounds pretty typical apart from thinking Trump was too soft.
It’s a good question that vanguard movements usually attract people with mental illness. There are a certain glamour, mainly in artistic and even scientific vanguard movements, about eccentric people. The best of them are intelligent , of course, but often misfit, nonconformist people. Perfectly fit and intelligent people usually don’t care about to change the world. They only want to understand the current rules of the world and adapt to it, to succeed. This explain why thee are so many competent people in academia and media that are indifferent or support the current Western values.
Quite the logical leap just to shill for open borders. Let no crisis go to waste….
Oy vey!
There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.
The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That’s something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn’t socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.
Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.
Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that’s a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is “ban all criticism of Jews,” which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.
So what can be done?
At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.
There are very few “furious antisemitic rants” here, you’re talking about The Sin Of Noticing.
I don’t think anyone here agrees with slaughtering people because they belong to “the wrong group”, which is more than we can say about some other political strands.
The reality is that, despite the accepted narrative that white males are crazy killers, they get news headlines while black killers–even those motivated by express racial animosity–don’t because dog bites man isn’t news while man bites dog is news.
Cut the cucking, boys. No, yesterday’s massacre didn’t help anyone, least of all us, the shooter’s fellow travellers. But simply echoing leftist rhetoric and countersignalling this guy isn’t doing us any favors either. He is one of us. He did something foolish, he has been arrested and he will never see the light of day again. There’s no need whatsoever to pile on him, virtue signal against him or start popping black pills. Note how the left reacted to the baseball game shooter last year. When they weren’t praising the guy, they were pretending the whole incident never happened. Has this harmed the left? Of course not. We must emulate the ways the left has gained and maintained power, and this clearly precludes the countersignalling I’m seeing in this post and its responses. Let’s put his victims squarely at the feet of the left.
Well, the mainstream Left seems pretty unsympathetic with their screaming in restaurants and elevators, accusations without evidence, and their share of violence.
The Left wins the likability contest in the age of mass media by promising free stuff for everyone. The Right has to explain that nothing is free, and by then they are playing damage control.
But long term the money eventually runs out, and it becomes a matter of what right wing, conservative regime will prevail.
Your contempt for us all has been noted. Now what? Why not put together some arguments and evidence to convince us of whatever you’ve got simmering between your ears?
“The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.”
It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.
Data helps.
one positive part of this horrible tragedy is that the guy was a trump basher.
Maybe it was it was a joke, not good taste on this particular thread IMHO.
All disputes are, at bottom, theological.
It’s a big country. We will always have homicidal lunatics among us. But the insane Left blames Trump for everything, including bad weather (“Climate Change”). Everything from hangnails to the extinction of the dinosaurs is Trump’s fault. Trump was and is just a canny showman, who had the perception to see an opening for an anti-Third World immigration candidate in the 2016 presidential race. The Invasion continues because Trump’s party (the contemptible & Judas-like Republicans) want it to continue. The only reason the GOP united to push Kavanaugh through is because the always united Dems would have certainly feasted on the next GOP Bush stooge who might get in their way on the road to more power. The Senate GOP hacks had no choice but to defend themselves against the Stalinist Dem femme banshees who were out for buckets of blood and nothing less. The perjury of “Dr.” Blasey-Ford was just a warm-up act. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Valuable list, thanks
I betcha that notorious Jewish Mass Murderer, the late Congressman Steven Solarz…if he were alive in 2018…….would be enthusiastically calling for mass murder of Shia Muslim Iranians and Russian Orthodox Christians in the Eastern Ukraine….And Congressman Steven Solarzs would be making this case for mass murder with no consequences….on Twitter…..
Congressman Steven Solarzs was single-handedly responsibly for the mass murder in Iraq in 1991 and the creation of the crippled freaks paraded around on the endless Wounded Warrior Project Infomercials……..I have very great fears, and many sleepless nights, thinking about Family members of mine now serving in the US Army…..canon fodder for the evil ghost of Steven Solarzs….
Bouser is small potatoes campared to the late Steven Solarzs….
Of the 4 posts I have made so far in this thread….Steve….this one really needs to get posted…..for it is the GD TRUTH!!!
We should probably be grateful that the left isn’t as competent at fomenting the death and destruction they espouse. Right wing extremists are probably less inclined to this sort of terrorism on average, but are more effective when it comes to execution.
Not that the right’s nuts and losers are very effective either. The laat thing the world needs are more one man Al Quedas like Anders Breivik.
his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?
Indeed, just like we can hang around the necks of all Jews the actions of Baruch Goldstein, who stormed a mosque in the West Bank and gunned down 29 Arabs . Many Jews were outraged by this, mainly because the Arabs fought back and killed Goldstein. Didn’t they get the memo that one Jewish life is worth more than 10,000 Gentile lives?
Although maybe the ante’s now been upped to 100,000 Gentile lives, according to this story.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-more-u-s-jews-will-walk-off-birthright-this-summer-1.6269655
“Why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?”
Lurker, what you really want to know is whether there’s a chance that Cesar Sayoc was a “useful idiot” for leftist political operatives, operatives who (somehow) manipulated him into sending the “bombs” to various high-profile Democrats.
While that is certainly possible, there is no proof at this moment that Sayoc had an intelligence handler, one who could have maneuvered him – James Earl Ray style , a definite “useful idiot” – into taking the fall for these “bombs”.
So, your implication is not necessarily wrong, but for now, there is no sign that you are right.
Find the evidence.
Unz, your attempt to smear the immigration patriot right with responsibility for the violence beloved among the holders of anti-semitic views you’ve recently been promoting is cowardly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Please shut up until a white shooter targets Mexicans or immigrants.
“So what can be done?”
Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether “on the decline” or not.
Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.
You are referring to the Antifa residents of Willowbrook….
Shouldn’t the new handle be “mini-Johnson”?
This may be so, but if it is, it’s rather easy to adapt to such a state of affairs. Full blown anarchy is not a feature in daily life, not in my limited experience. (I estimate I’m in the top 5% here as far as quality of life is concerned, though)
Also, and I mean this without malice, I go around in public without worrying that a madman will start shooting people indiscriminately. Squads of criminals may come and rob you at gunpoint, which must be a truly awful experience (haven’t been through it), or, in the more violent areas, you might be struck by a bullet meant to kill someone else, but no random, heavily armed wacko will decide that simply because you happen to be there, in the wrong place at the wrong time, you and a dozen other people have to die. That a man will enter a synagogue, or a black Christian church, or a white Christian church, or a theater, or a school, and declare death to all those attending — for reasons known only to himself — almost never happens here (to paraphrase Mr. ”Cool Guy” Obama, at least not like it does in the United States, but also in Canada and even in Europe).
And yet we have 63,000 homicides a year, in a country 2/3s the size of the US. A bloodbath. Go figure.
U.S. domestic violence in no way compares to this kind of violence:
Israel-Palestine Timeline
At least 247 Palestinians (46 children) and 11 Israelis (0 children) have been killed by someone from the other side in 2018.
The youngest victim was Kamal Mohammad al-Yaziji, , and the oldest victim was Mohammad Ata Abu Jame’, 59. Click on the names for more information and sources.
https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/2018deaths/
Bowers….not Bouser…
I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.
Did the GOP baseball shooting empower the GOP?
Have any mass shootings targeting whites empowered whites?
Some call the Neo-Nazi types “alt-retard”.
“Because they’re violent psychopaths?”
Possibly, although here’s something curious:
CBS Miami reported that “A law enforcement official said late Friday that Sayoc had been living in a white van after he got kicked out by his parents’ house.
The official said, Sayoc told investigators that the “pipe bombs wouldn’t have hurt anyone and that he didn’t want to hurt anyone.”
Say what?
Every other media outlet has reported that the guy wanted to kill Democrats.
The obvious follow-up question, unasked by the MSM (predictably), is “so why did you send the “bombs” then?”
Were the authorities afraid that Sayoc’s answer might have been something along the lines of “I was doing as told?”
Don’t “violent psychopaths” proudly proclaim their desire to kill innocent people loudly to the press after they’ve been caught?
What kind of “violent psychopath” claims he didn’t want to hurt anybody?
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/10/26/11th-suspicious-package-found-at-florida-mail-facility/
ZOG de-platformed Gab over this and they will probably be coming for Sailer this time. Look at the pogrom they launched after Dylan Roof. They don’t even like blacks very much and they spent two years toppling statues and attacking white people.
Imagine what comes after a direct assault on their own.
Good luck Ron and Steve.
This is a particularly perspicacious comment. I appreciate the empathy and consideration. I would eagerly read more of what you write.
btw, I am as horrified to hear about this anti-semitic attack as anyone else. I never for an instant harbored this type of animosity and hatred towards Jewish people.
Current conditions aren’t like a Belview of yore but the people who end up running and working in such facilities aren’t much of an improvement.
This sounds just like some crappy dialog in a jewish made hollywood movie, something Schwarzenegger could have said. It is also reminds of flight 93′s famous:
This is clearly one giant (((psyop))) for stupid goyim and even stupider jews. The timing is perfect as is the target: gun-crazed angry white males. Once again, it came straight off of some jewish script writers storyboard.
And what was the motive? Did this guy believe killing a few jews would solve the countries problems in the same way they would have us believe that Paddock thought shooting hundreds from the Mandalay, directly in front of the Luxor pyramid and the sphynx, would?
Because they’re violent psychopaths?”
In addition to being brain dead stupid.
Isn’t it possible that someone shot up a synagogue but that a false narrative was produced for the public. This one for the further inculcation of white America that all would be immigrants are gentle, functional, deserving refugees and if you don’t accept any and all comers you’re a latent psycho killer.
This isn’t the first shooting in which I’ve sensed something a bit off about details provided to the public. I have assumed that this was necessary for either national security or even to protect the privacy of victims. I’ve also come to believe that acts of Muslim terrorism have been covered up to deny such terrorists the additional impact on the US public. Such a strategy might also reduce the number of terror attacks since they will not be recognized.
Take a statistics class. I beg of you.
Segregation was dismantled. You are going to have to overturn established law, amend/rewrite the constitution and eliminate the left in order to make a replacement. It is simpler to imagine a dictator taking power and fixing things then this occurring though democratic means.
Yes. The murder in that black church was horrible. I’m sure even people who hate blacks would worry last about the ones attending church.
Instead it was used to further the cold civil war. We need to turn down the heat.
The comments today are not as horrible as I imagined. Good to know I can still read Sailer. I’ve been with him since the 1990s but lately the comments section had been making me think of giving up on the best long term writer on the internet.
> It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month
“It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related”
Really
Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents “motherfucker” as much as they like, but call an opponent “camelfucker” and you are going to jail–because that is racist, you see. Call him a “sissy camelfucker” and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.
The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.
The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.
From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless–who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.
Doesn’t seem to bother Elizabeth Warren …
Reichtagsbrand … happened to not be a false flag.
> Timothy McVeigh
Yeah, about that.
Timothy is probably alive and well in Argentina.
And thus the influence of Jewish money in western society should not be talked about?
Welcome to the Real World where things are being said and things happen.
Especially as the population density increases and the future does not seem too bountyful.
Your concerns are valid but the only peaceful way out of the current mess is more talk. The old arrangements were falling apart anyway, even before this massacre in Pittsburgh. Having the mass media play the role of the Ministry of Truth (with David Duke as their Emmanuel Goldstein) is no longer viable. There’s going to be a lot of uncontrollable chatter about Jews and Jewish power, whether people welcome it or not.
One of the biggest reasons the chatter will continue is the apparently irrepressible desire Jewish journalists, politicians and celebrities have for saying they oppose policy X or Y “as a Jew”. Those who favour policies X or Y can’t help but resent an attempt to play this trump card.
11 is roughly 0.0002% of the number of Americans who died last year as the result of opioid overdoses, most of which are the result of opioids flowing across our southern border–which we are not allowed to effectively secure because…nazi! By the way, I wonder if Palestinians interpret events like yesterday’s shooting, correctly imo, as, “Well, this can’t be good for us.”
What does it really mean, for some U.S. citizen in Pittsburgh, to be characterized as a “supporter” of Vlaimir Putin? Did he “favorite” some Putin-themed memes from his Twitter account (before getting banned)? Who cares?
The timing does seem extremely conspicuous.
I hate the Konspiracy Kook everything is a false flag crowd, but the guy sending all the fake bombs to Democrats 2 weeks before the elections (you know, the one with all the cliche/stereotypical stickers on his van that are so neatly aligned that they make the professionals jealous) really does have the stench of convenience about it. You know; no Democrats were harmed in the making of this pre-election boost. Right down to “their” inability to find an actual White guy to play patsy.
But Bowers, 11 dead Jews, 3 shot cops, etc? Not so much. There only the timing is suspicious. Everything else about it suggests genuine terrorism.
The resident “Rightwing”-Jews should be a bit more careful with their gloating about this being some sort of awesome propaganda victory against the “Alt-Right”. The Left, including Jewish organizations, will attack any (non-neo)conservative as being a murderous antisemite, which is of course ridiculous – the normie US conservative is still rabidly philosemitic and prozionist. But the hate just might get some of them to reconsider their loyalties.
One should however not over overestimate the impact of this event. As Steve is wont to say, it is a big country. Even with the mainstream media behind it, it is simply not possible to keep this in the spotlight for too long a time. Who still remembers this guy who shot up a black church last year or so?
I used to think this kind of anti-American, anti-1st-Amendment commentary from Jews was relatively harmless but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire more anti-gentile action from Jews, as seen in the Holodomor, Bolshevik crimes against humanity, and Soviet oppression?
We see the same thing in communism – first there’s talk of revolution, concern about “anti-semitism,” and the next thing we know Jewish commissars are herding us into gulags, or shallow graves.
Too bad you’re not childless.
True, George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party was assassinated by a crazy guy who had previously been kicked out of the American Nazi Party
Remove Gab from premises:
Social network Gab to lose hosting after getting blamed for synagogue shooting
Dead, Jim!
Free speech isn’t for everyone. Maybe some other country would better suit your (((nature))).
I more or less agree with this. I’ve never been fond of the blackpill-heavy approach. The simple fact is that most of what we can do has never even been tried yet, because of the apathy of our indoctrinated populace.
Here’s what I don’t understand about the whole situation: all of the people on unz.com (“alt right” or not) seem to look forward to this kind of day, or at least think it inevitable, when the white uprising will take place.
And yet, when somebody actually goes ahead and does it, you guys are all shocked and taken aback “we love the Jews, Trump is right” etc.
So if you guys aren’t actually down with this, what the hell have you been preparing for?
Anyways, as somebody who recognizes Jewish power but doesn’t necessarily see it as bad, the alt right was never particularly appealing to me. There are nationalist and globalist Jews. Just like it’s wrong to say that all white people are homosexual pussy hat wearing social justice warriors, there are actually many Zionist nationalist Jews who can be “allies”. Trump has figured this out.
Anyways, RIP to these devout Jews that were probably not even the “bad” kind of secular leftist Jews. You guys who think all Jews need to be killed are nuts, and just because somebody has a different religion doesn’t mean you can’t make useful “nationalist” alliances.
White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.
“Invaders that kill our people” is shorthand for “slowly annihilate us via the soft genocide of immigration.”
It’s pretty simple. If you have Golden Retrievers in kennel A and Labrador Retrievers in kennel B and keep putting dogs from kennel A into kennel B, eventually you have plenty of Golden Retrievers but the Labrador Retrievers are all gone.
Here’s an interesting train of thought that crossed my mind: Do you think that all these insane recent events could contribute to a revival in Christianity in the United States?
Churches would have to play it right and do some good marketing. However, they could go by some slogan like “if you’re tired of all the madness, and want order, community, and love, join our Church”.
I view Christianity and organized religion as the antidote to this, and would love a revival. Any thoughts on this?
Meaning he isn’t even worth mentioning.
Lets’s be honest…..given what we know ….shouldn’t it really be “Tiny Johnson”.
Don’t forget to add Dr. Baruch Goldstein to your list.
This logic could be applied to just about every category of political criticism. In practice, legal sanctions will be applied only to right-wing critiques of left-wingery.
Solzhenitsyn was oppressed by The Party, ergo Solzhenitsyn was bad.
Brilliant logic from you as usual, Jeffy.
This is an awkward moment where I feel both sick to my stomach and a bit guilty. I wonder if that’s how many people who opposed the US’s role in the world felt about 9/11. You cannot support the horrific crime, and yet… It’s committed by someone, however crazy, who is very roughly “on your team”… Similar awkwardness with Breivik. It’s all fun and games until someone gets really hurt…
I’m also uncomfortable about my free speech absolutist stance:
I’ve been a supporter of gab, and want it to succeed for free speech reasons, but…
Free speech isn’t free. To some extent letting people voice their anger or even their criticism against certain groups will cause some people to radicalize, espouse violent ideologies, and take horrible action.
We know there is a trade off in some of our cherished democratic values. Allow people to have freedom and it will have some bad consequences, not just good ones.
I feel pretty terrible. Sorry I can’t just say, everything’s fine, there will always be crazies, death happens, keep on fighting the good fight… Sometimes things just suck. Sorry if I just sound dumb.
Or how many goys have been marched into death or disfigurement by warmongering (((neocons)))?
“Screw the optics, I’m going in”
“. . . most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website” – Ron Unz
All six (estimate) of them who write to refute the most egregious libels of jews and Israel. Interesting glimpse of the webmaster’s mindset.
Assume intelligence asset
HBD matters.
Until the topic turns to the Jews. Then it’s leftism, all the way down.
Added to the annals of self-awareness…
This should be reposted in reddit and as comments in MSM sites that still allow them.
This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.
Israel regularly arms ISIS…Why are AIPAC…THE ADL….AND SPLC….allowed to have free speech in America?
So much concern trolling in this thread.
So much crying out in pain while striking.
No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit’s white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.
Free speech is actually one of the antidotes to violence. When you forbid people to speak about an issue, their only response becomes violence. This individual in Pittsburgh didn’t attack and kill all those senior citizens in that synagogue because he had free speech rights, he did it because he had a screw loose.
Free speech should never be limited or banned.
So, did this guy just lose Trump the midterms?
Do the Hindus…Chinese….Iranians…and Israelies get California?
Of course, “screw the optics” means “to hell with trying to win over the media or play the public relations game”. A terrorist act, by definition, is an attempt to change political opinions by murdering noncombatants. Terrorism is a way to forcefully make a political point by killing people. One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That’s not the only solution but it’s a start.
“the antisemitic commentary around here”
In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about “around here” and “antisemitic.”
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Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.
My advice to the folks suffering in Pittsburgh:
“Better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it!”
“Jewish youth, learn to shoot!”
[Zeev Jabotinsky]
All of a piece.
This is true. Americans need to get out of each other’s hair and out of each other’s heads.
It’s mostly drive-bys.
“Multiculturalism is just not working out.”
Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.
Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.
My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.
But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?
A Wikipedia entry as the one for Gregg Easterbrook?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Easterbrook
Actually, his Wikipedia entry doesn’t list that for which Mr. Easterbrook is most notorious.
I regard him as a “thinking man’s James Fallows.” Whereas he writes essays for “respectable” venues such as Atlantic and The New Republic, on “respectable” topics such as the environment or national defense spending, his thoughts sometimes take him to contrarian or iconoclastic positions. For example, it was Easterbrook who wrote about how the cheaper Northrup F-20 may be a better figher plane than the General Dynamics F-16, so why was the U. S. Air Force ignoring the F-20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
His notoriety, however, derives from the time that he thought-out-loud an iconoclastic thought in public (I am paraphrasing), “When so many Jews are victims of violent attacks, in Israel, here at home, and in many other parts of the world, why do Jewish executives in Hollywood think it is a good idea to derive corporate profits from so many films glorifying violence?”
Who boy, did that get a reaction, for Crimethink on three separate levels. One was thinking that words or actions by specific Jewish persons could in any way even remotely contribute to or in the slightest way be responsible for Jews as a group being victims of violence connected to anti-Semitic hate. The second was invoking the anti-Semitic stereotype of monetary greed, especially the alleged pursuit of profits in disregard of any ethical or moral or social consequences. The third was the anti-Semitic trope that “(the) Jews run Hollywood.”
Given the buzz saw of public criticism Mr. Easterbrook ran into, I was thinking that he would get un-personed, air-brushed out of the Party photos. Commenting at Little Green Footballs, which was the Blog of Noticing of its day in the era before Charles Johnson terminated his post 9-11 truce with the conservative, neo-conservative and nativist Right, I ran into that same buzz saw by attempting to defend Easterbrook in suggesting that, yes, there are persons of Jewish heritage who serve as Hollywood executives, this material fact may have been the consequence of many Hollywood founders migrating to the U.S. as a result of Czarist-era persecution. Under the Hayes Code a Jewish movie executive accepted the wisdom of restrictions on movie content set by a Catholic priest as a win-win both for studio profits and social peace, so suggesting that movie moguls had a self interest in moderating the content of their movies (think of the recent iSteve thread where violent movies are discussed), wasn’t off base. Other commenters at LGF called my arguments “garbage.”
This latest tragedy is a Progressive Agenda two-fer. Because a person off-their-nut shoots and kills people, we have to give up our guns. Because a white anti-Semite off-his-nut shoots and kills Jewish people, we have to give up any public remarks regarding how either specific Jewish persons or factions within or the Jewish community as a whole participate in our multi-cultural American society?
A better argument, that takes account of recent history and that has understood Ron Unz’s Pravda series, would hold precisely the opposite:
when free exercise of First Amendment rights are relegated to “tiny Unz” , if not, indeed, outright censored by ADL, Facebook, Youtube etc, it is totally predictable that someone will react explosively; that in a pitical system where power is way out of equilibrium, that person will be a disempowered kook (if not a manipulated patsy); and that the target will be a comparatively weak affiliate of the censoring group.
“The answer to offensive speech is MORE speech,” but what is occurring is more censorship, when what is needed is MORE “tiny Unzes.”
Anybody who has used toothpaste should understand this.
Eternal rest grant unto them, Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.
The reaction to a horrific event such as this should not be to curtail free speech. However, it is difficult to see what a person can do to effect any change. Politics are becoming more stratifying. Where imbalanced people once committed massacres based on the religious difference, it seems that the ongoing politicization of everything has caused evil men to cloak their actions in political rhetoric. And we never can legislate evil out of existence. The unfortunate reality, though, is that the neoliberal faction of the country has an outsized share of power, and when bad events like this one take place it causes the Overton Window to shift more in the direction of neoliberalism.
I hope that there is some way to thread the needle on this issue and that there are genuine good-faith actors able to work towards a peaceful solution.
I’ll just leave this here….
https://mobile.twitter.com/rooshv/status/1056561979169607682
By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in mirror some time.
SF had a formerly mainstream conservative politician snap and defend himself with a “Twinkie defense.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White
Our esteemed host, also a former mainstream conservative politician, was reported to eat half his meals at Burger King.
Jack D is a Boomer and is not made for our era, the Weimerican Century.
By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in the mirror some time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)
You would think that the unfortunate events of today would call for some humility, but unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric all the way up to 12. Shame on you.
Sounds reasonable to me.
You know, every single day in this country, thousands of Americans (black and white) are killed by illegals (and often the immediate offspring [[citizens]] of these illegals) and it’s no big deal. Liberal Puritan Whites and Jews call Trump a Nazi for suggesting “it would be one less murder if _________ hadn’t been here illegally”. Likewise, every single day in the US, hundreds of whites are victimized by blacks, from rapes (about 100 white women a day), to burglaries, carjackings, assaults, thefts large and small–and even the idea that white people should care about this, or their own, seems to incense Jews (at least of the Left, of which most are). So I’m sorry, and this point, I’m fresh out of “higher ground” and, “let’s be above that,” “we’re better than that” and “That’s not who we are”. I am sad for the loss of innocent people anywhere, everywhere–of course. But the fact is, whites are victimized every day across the land and not a tear is shed for these heritage white Americans.
Hundreds of white Heritage Americans were shot in Vegas, dozens of them murdered– a year later and the nation (Jews, Blacks, the White Elite Puritan Left), collectively shrugs it shoulders. I’m returning the gesture for a change.
How much responsibility does Trump bear for the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh?
Political rhetoric matters, and he has had some unfortunate things to say about Jews.
By Julia Ioffe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/28/how-much-responsibility-does-trump-bear-synagogue-shooting-pittsburgh
Her Twitter feed is a great place to go if one wants to see how she and her social circle have decided to play this.
Muslim lying. They are the most dishonest vermin around.
How many Jews own media outlets? How many Jews are involved in finance? How many Jews are CEOs of tech companies? How many Jews run Hollywood studios?
Does this look like a decline in power to you? It sure doesn’t to me. These people are all proportionally much richer than they were back in the 1950s or so, thanks to American capitalism, and they have billions available to donate to everything they think will upset the American applecart. Look at George Soros, for example.
“This is why Whites need our own country.”
You can move to a continent called Europe. Why don’t you are you too poor to move? Or are you too low IQ and lazy to learn a new language like Russian or Czech for example? You are no different than Black American Nationalists who keep bitching about why there is no ethnostate homeland for the Black race even though there is as continent called Africa waiting for them.
This. Every.Single.Day, whites are victimized and to even suggest there is a particular group culpable or another group cheering it on, is “taking the low ground” somehow.
I will care about another group (Blacks, Jews, Illegals, Rich Psychologist WASPS) the day not a single White Heritage American is murdered, raped, assaulted, killed in a DUI, etc, by another group–since we know everyone (not white) is going by “group” and counting who did what from one group (race, ethnicity, etc) vs another.
‘…Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics…’
So all we have to do is let ourselves become like Brazil and then there’ll be a reaction?
No doubt you’re right.
Where’s the “blood” bit? He made out as if he is quoting someone. Who?
Define “Alt-Right.”
I’m assuming that you say the same thing every time a crazy Muslim attacks Whites and Jews in the United States and Europe.
The actions of some crazy guy who didn’t even like Trump doesn’t define a political movement. That said, yes, things are getting more tense. The left constantly demonizes any White person who shows the slightest pride in their heritage as literally Hitler and thus worthy of being killed. The right is pushing back, though I rarely see the same calls for violence. And, yes, many people notice that Jews are a critically important (if not “the”) driving force behind the changes of the past 60 years.
I would prefer that we find a peaceful way out of this predicament and goodness knows that Steve is trying to do just that. However, history isn’t on our side. History says that when you have massive migrations of different peoples into the territory of another people, you get violence. There are a few cases where they blended into a new people relatively peacefully, but they are the exception to the rule.
Perhaps our leaders should have thought of this before embarking on this grand multi-everything experiment. I am abhorred by what this guy did. My fear is that more is on the way and not just some crazies acting our their insane fantasies, but normal people acting in what they feel is self-defense.
‘I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.’
Freedom has always had a cost. We could ban all cars capable of going more than five mph and sharply reduce the death toll from traffic accidents — but we choose not to.
Enforcing draconian bars on freedom of speech might well reduce the number of incidents such as yesterday’s attack. I still want to be free.
Correct.
Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?
‘…Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc…’
? The Holocaust was a matter of white people killing other white people they saw as different.
How would you distinguish that from what happened in Rwanda, or Biafra, or that goes on more or less continuously in the Congo?
The blacks rely less on organization and more on spontaneous action, but they acheive credible death tolls nevertheless. Did you have some sort of point?
Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.
Playing coy will avail you exactly nothing.
If you’d have us take the side of those coming to shut down this forum and further curtail our God-given rights make your case like a man.
Don’t worry, I hear it’s bounced back to 0.06 million.
All victims are equal, but some are more equal than others.
I don’t recall quite the same outpouring of denunciations and calls for rethinking free speech, etc in the wake of Dylann Roof’s killings of blacks, or for that matter, Sergeant Bales’ killings of Muslim women and children. We seem to be divided on Muslim terrorism; half of us call for the most spectacularly genocidal responses, while the other half try to pretend such attacks didn’t happen. As some have noted, black killings of whites go completely uncovered.
For some reason, the victims in Saturday’s attacks are different; could someone specify what the distinction is?
Right, so if they are just a violent loon then there isn’t much political debate to had as a result of the current atrocity.
It’s a figure of speech akin to waving the bloody shirt or the blood of the fallen cry out for vengeance, etc.
“Anti-Semitic Far Right Terrorist Attacks Synagogue”
So why did you choose not to write a companion piece similar to “Police Arrest Republican Male Stripper Steroid-Using Diverse-American Florida Man”, complete with your legendary “staccato grievance commentary”™?
Mmmm, it is Sunday. Maybe you are at church? A sawbuck to the till? A trip to the priest or minister for a good talk?
Just give South Africa some more time to simmer.
A lot of boomers and other people addicted to their comfort levels terrified of what a civil conflict means.
Stalin killed off the best farmers in Russia and the Ukraine by the millions with predictable horrible results and he killed off his best generals and officers on the eve of war with Hitler. Hitler forced the best Jewish scientists flee in the 1930s and then used valuable railway lines to put Jews in camps, when the military desperately needed those lines and of course he killed Jews – who were very productive and who could have been working, while the Reich had an enormous labor shortage.
Sometimes people do unproductive things because they are evil psychopathic amoral maniacs.
Where do you live? Can you blame whites wanting to leave South Africa?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6293729/Two-foot-82lb-rock-used-smash-South-African-student-death-gang-raped.html
Welp, and here’s the “We must make special rules to ‘protect’ Jews” contingent.
Um, you do realize that it was Nazi Germans that carried out that atrocity, right?
You also realize that Americans fought those same Nazi Germans and liberated many camps, right?
In your mind, all gentile Whites are guilty of the sins committed by a relatively small number of gentile Whites 75 years ago in a distant land and must permanently atone for those sins. We are Sisyphus and our boulder the Jewish Holocaust (and, no, it is not “the” holocaust since their have been many).
I refuse to accept the guilt that you wish to place upon me, the guilt that you wish to use against me. I am no more responsible for the Jewish Holocaust than I am for this horrible attack. Both are heinous, both have nothing to do with me.
I will continue to criticize any group that seems to be acting in a way that harms my people. The guilt card is no longer in play. I do not want violence against members of that group, but I will not quietly allow the loss of my people and the world we created.
“I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?”
The Unz attracts as many mentally ill people as the Mariel boatlift to Miami did.
You ever been to a mental hospital? Yeah everytime I browse The Unz.
Which is why it’s hardly way out to at least speculate about false flags, patsy shooters etc.
This changes nothing . “The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.” to you maybe . Spencer is irrelevant at this point and Sayoc did no more harm than Clockmed only he didn’t get an invitation to the White House . A sad man leading a sad life . Bowers actions were unfortunate but won’t change anybody’s mind . I didn’t even bother to read the story I don’t care . Mass murder is boring in 2018 . The right isn’t going to fold because of his deeds . We’ll just have to put up with more vapouring from the NPCs of the media and the Dem. Pols . demands for more repressive laws . Yawn .
The Alt-Right only means EXPLICIT WHITENESS rather than IMPLICIT WHITENESS.
The Alt-Right is now where the great majority of Americans of European Christian ancestry are heading.
The Alt-Right is the future of politics for White Core Americans.
The Alt-Right is surging ahead in all European Christian nations. The Alt-Right is on the march in France, Italy, the United States, Australia, Hungary, England, the Netherlands, Denmark and every other place colonized and settled by European Christians.
The Alt-Right was named for a New Yorker of Prussian ancestry who made good loot as a supermodel.
The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP is going the way of the dodo.
German beer is chemical free, Germany and the Alt-Right are all right with me!
“Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.”
The first woman looks like a dark skin Gisele Bundchen. She has very European facial features for someone with that much melanin in their skin.
Yes the small army of (likely paid) astroturfers probably are fanatically anti-immigration, but only for Israel. That’s an important distinction.
The opposition will not let any tragedy go to waste.
Anti-semitic talk of the more benign variety sort of plays a role as “noise” or a “foundation” which can lead to more serious actions unfortunately as we have seen yesterday.
For all the talk about Jews not being white, you have to realize that black nationalists sort of see Jews as the ultimate whites.
Unz is not especially convincing as a white nationalist, I’m afraid. He comes across more as a tired contrarian, perhaps he has a sense of noblesse oblige towards the white proletariat than and is trying to defang defamatory attacks against them. He does not come across as someone who is truly in his heart a hateful person.
To an extent, his crusade is noble, as there often is overstep in the demonization of the white proletariat. But there also is truth to the stereotype, as we saw yesterday, and Unz has gone too far in that direction, I’m afraid. There’s still room to take a step back.
The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them, nor Christianity, the invention of the printing press, universal literacy (sort of), Martin Luther, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, sublime art, music, and architecture, and all the rest of it.
Just as my grandparents (all born before 1900) were born into a society without cars, tanks, planes, movies, gramophone records, radio, or TV, (though at least they had the Daily Mail, founded 1896), the grandparents of many Africans of today were born into Stone Age tribal societies without running water, flush toilets, and more facepaint than Facebook.
Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.
Leeeroooy Jenkins!
Some of that filling stuff looks suspiciously like lettuce, cheese, and tomato.
You can’t fight against Jewish psychological warfare with guns. You fight it with your words, by non-stop mocking of left wing and right wing NPC’s, you build a culture of soft resistance and when you have enough numbers you graduate to marches where you go to film your abuse because you know you’ll get beat up. And you also know that if you defend yourself, you’ll be the one who ends up in jail.
‘…There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years…’
Now, I distinctly recall the entire Congress of the United States feeling impelled to give seventeen standing ovations to a foreign head of state — and that was considerably less than fifteen years ago.
Who was that head of state again? What people did he represent? Who were the leading contributors to the campaigns of the presidential candidates of both parties? What country are we all but openly seeking war with? On whose behalf are we doing that?
If only Jewish power were in decline — and if only there was no Israel. I doubt I’d think about Jews any more than I think about Anabaptists.
““Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said.”
Brazilians are electing a politician for president Jair Bolsonaro who is vastly to the political Right of ALL Northwest European heads of state. Enjoy your damn Angela Merkel, Stefan Lofven, Theresa May, Michael D. Higgins, etc.
Nobody on the political Right can even be elected dogcatcher in Northwest Europe because it is the most Cucked region in the world. Northwest Europe makes Maryland look like Mississippi in terms of politics.
Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.
It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.
Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.
Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we’ve had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can’t think of any.
Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted…
I had a Whopperito once. It tasted pretty good, but I hated myself afterward.
But I didn’t hate myself enough write a series of 38,000 word deranged screeds attacking my ancestors.
If I ate BK every day, who knows?
I’m sure we’ll live a life of dignity when we’re a dispossessed kulak class with ever-broadening anti-white race laws like the ones that already exist such as the affirmative action/quota/set-aside/non-white only loans etc.
I guess we can tell who sends in money to this site, judging by whose comments get approved. To hell with this.
I think we should be careful before rushing to judgement about whether Bowers acted on generalized anti-semitism.
He’s reported to live in Castle Shannon, which has been among the areas most badly targeted for resettlement (https://archive.is/JR0aR).
The congregations based out of that synagogue, particularly the Reform ‘Dor Hadash’ congregation, have been extremely supportive of refugee resettlement (in other people’s neighbourhoods). https://web.archive.org/web/20181027190824/https://www.jfcspgh.org/national-volunteer-week/
I would not be shocked to learn that this man was affected by refugee crime against his friends or family or his own person, made the link back to those who brought them in, and overreacted in this very unfortunate way.
The only one I could think of:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting
But there were no fatalities at the community center.
That was a question from the great Ann Corcoran of REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT WATCH about the mass immigration extremism of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.
Ann Corcoran answered her own question this way:
Because Ann Corcoran is a lovely fair-minded broad, she also said this:
Tweet from 2015:
Mr. Unz:
Thank you for hosting Steve Sailer and other contributors on your Web site.
Thank you for providing a forum where readers may also contribute comments freely without a special account and password. Thank you for your tolerance and patience with opinions you may not personally agree with. Thank you for a place where people can speak what is on their mind, and where we can work out differences by force of argument instead by force of compulsion or worse yet, force of violent acts.
Thanks but I’d rather not know. As Unz pointed out, it’s actually, ‘Screw your optics,” something that I could only have previously imagined, Newton saying to Robert Hooke.
You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.
Catholic boobs and Episcopalian boobs and Lutheran boobs and Jew boobs and many more so-called “religious” boobs are pushing REFUGEE OVERLOAD on the United States.
More Debate On Mass Immigration And Refugee Overload!
“it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.”
Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that’s wasn’t an anti-Jewish killing at all.
“Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center.”
Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.
“From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless”
The irony that the vast majority of the heroes of the Alt-Right like Richard Bowers, Christopher Cantwell, Dylann Roof, Adolf Hitler, etc have fathered ZERO White offsprings.
The Alt-Right might as well just be cat ladies who happen to hate Jews with their extremely low breeding rate.
Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series – I have the remaining ones bookmarked – but do you have an opinion as to Frank’s guilt?
Things happen. They don’t all happen for any particular purpose.
No, but it does mean that one’s country will be a country like……………Brazil. That isn’t what our parents had, isn’t what we used to have, and isn’t what any of us wanted.
So one case, then.
I remember Alt-Lite Gavin McInnes owned these pathetic childless Alt-Right trolls by saying “I fathered 3 kids, how many fucking children do you have? That’s right ZERO”.
Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society Must Be Shut Down Immediately
All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Scam Outfits Must Be Shut Down Immediately
Immigration Moratorium Now!
Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders Now!
Stop All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Now!
Moreover, there are also plenty of Christian “refugee resettlement” organizations that do the same things that HIAS does. The Catholic and Lutheran churches are especially egregious offenders.
Consequentialism has to be the worst form of moral reasoning.
A post-Zionist Israel doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
Would you ask the same question of the Palestinians? Or of the American Indians?
Good you specified, otherwise we might have thought the murderer was a Knausgård fan!
i think there will be people engaged in a strategy of tension to repeal the 1A and 2A but i think the media’s hysterical reporting over the last two years has been enough to generate most of it.
(i’m not saying there hasn’t been any bad guy involvement e.g. Las Vegas, Parkland etc but i think a lot of it is just unstable people being triggered by the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence)
Well, I don’t have much personal knowledge of the 60z white flight but wasn’t that driven by black crime or the fear of black crime as opposed to a spate of targeted anti-white murders plotted by political figures? Add the trend of suburbanisation and the administrative incompetence of black politicians and it’s not an ethnic cleansing that happened by wilful design.
so you’d agree the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump hatred is likely to lead to violence – either directly or as a reaction?
From the Wiki page on the Pike County murders:
“Investigators believe the murders were premeditated, and that the perpetrators were known to the Rhoden family. On April 25, the Ohio Attorney General’s office confirmed the presence of marijuana growth and cockfighting operations at some of the crime scenes,….”
Marijuana and cockfighting……………in rural Ohio. Gee I wonder what kind of people the Rhodens were mixed up with?
Well this is a pretty sensible post.
maybe he was initially triggered by films like Django?
Well, you see, I’m a Moderate White. I don’t support those Extremist Whites, you see. Whites are a valued part of our multicultural, plural society. We cannot condemn all Whites for the actions of a few bad apples.
#notallWhites
Killing one another sounds like a very “Roman Empire” sort of thing to do.
hasn’t the biggest cause of death for white middle aged blue collar males over the last 20 years or so been suicide?
suicide becoming political?
** ostensibly written by AH but documented to have had the full encouragement and editorial and financial support from Franklin Roosevelt’s Harvard pal and lunch mate Putzi Hanfstaengel
but, but, Mein Kampf was a forgery, ain’t that right?
Mostly rambling nonsense from an uneducated nut-job, and with very little truth in it, but taken as gospel, for all that: ask any ten Jews: nine will tell you that der Führer laid out plans for holocaust in MK, which is why Jewish elites starting talking about Hitler’s plans to “exterminate all the Jews” at least as early as May 12, 1933, way before NSDAP had consolidated power –
http://www.untermyergardens.org/uploads/2/5/8/5/25851288/untermyer-hitler.pdf
(The date is significant inasmuch as Louis Brandeis had directed by- or on- February 14, 1933, that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 Jews must leave.”)
otoh, Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.
Mostly true, but a forgery.
Yet anyone who takes any part of Protocols for gospel truth is a raging antisemite.
“Several items were seized from the suspect’s home…..such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler…”
Does reading about building a house make one a carpenter? Does reading about a politician make one a politician? Does reading about a rape make one a rapist?
Wasn’t there another guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh around 15-20 years ago? I seem to recall something like that happening. I think this shooter was an immigration attorney and may have been insane. Does anyone remember that case?
Then there are all the people Jews have slaughtered in the Middle East.
Huh? How do you figure that? There’s a whole generation alive today who’s history and mythology consists of Marvel and DC Comic book movies. It’s not uncommon nowadays to find grown men talking about the latest Avengers movie as if it were f**king Tolstoi.
Self-proclaimed, and only recognized as such by Fake News.
It’s mostly forgotten now but a Pakistani Muslim shot a few Jews, one fatally, in 2006: 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation building
How so?
Ron,
It might be time for you to lay a little low.
I think you are a rare man in terms of your honesty and your intelligence.
But you publish information that could certainly be considered anti-Semitic.
You were wondering why the ADL was not going after you?
They will be going after you now for sure.
And they will have the full support of the US government and the leaders who have taken an oath to support the constitution.
Count on it.
What does that mean – “within American First Amendment traditions”? Is that some subtle way of saying you favor suppressing speech that you consider to be anti-semitic? Or is it an unsubtle way of saying it?
“First Amendment Traditions” – i.e., the traditions founded by my people, not yours.
Alternatively, are such people and groups responsible for creating the climate and conditions that drove this guy to violence?
I have a question for all you istevers.
Is it remotely possible to fail to notice that:
(1) When ethnic minorities commit atrocities, the legacy media insists that we not crack down on them. But
(2) When Whites commit atrocities against ethnic minorities, the legacy media demands a crackdown on Whites.
I realize you all are aware of this, because like me, you’re more apt to notice these things, but is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.
IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?
https://www.jta.org/2018/10/24/top-headlines/house-majority-leader-kevin-mccarthy-deletes-tweet-saying-george-soros-tom-steyer-michael-bloomberg-buying-years-elections/amp?__twitter_impression=true
You have been reported to the Ministry of Goodthink. Facts and reasoning are counter-revolutionary patriarchal constructs and instruments of oppression against minorities. Ignorance is Strength.
> Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.
Ron Unz’s schtick is getting tiresomely repetitive and obvious. The gist is Mr. Unz says something like “Hey guys, everybody thinks [X] but I read this [Source Y] and can’t find any mention of [X].” Oh wait… when you actually bother to read [Source Y] it turns out that Unz was full of shit. Either Unz’s reading comprehension is severely lacking given his self-described 200 IQ… Or he’s just plain outright lying and misrepresenting things for whatever self-serving ideological agenda he has this week.
Let’s actually consult the Wikipedia article in question. It’s available here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States
Well, let’s just jump right down to the “Hate Crime” subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:
> On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying “Heil Hitler”.[86]
Don’t worry, I’m sure Unz has some sort of schizophrenic justification for why this doesn’t count. Maybe a vague Usenet post from 1994 or a made up unsourced factoid from a poorly formatted white supremacist pamphlet that actually proves this was a false flag operation by Mossad.
Who wants to “push back” on the First Amendment? Who says that we are going to do that, or want to, or should? Not I, certainly.
And the solution to the problem of the ethnic dissolution of western countries is not to ban burkas. It’s to ban the immigration of the kinds of people who wear burkas.
Hottest take I’ve seen so far:
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you have eaten some bananas in your lifetime. So have I. Ergo we’re both serial hate killers biding our time.
Can we start distributing little pins to the pro-White “Good Jews”? (Because arm patches would be bad optics).
Stuff like this is obviously bad for the right, and it could have been my kids in there yada yada (though I’ll be packing when/if my sons go to Temple). That said, to quote Chris Rock “I wish they’d let me join the Klu Klux Klan…S&%#, I’d do a drive-by from here to Brooklyn.” Good Jews can hate the Bad Jews just as much as the Bad Whites hate the Bad Jews (this labeling can get pretty confusing).
There’s no hard Jewish conspiracy that I’m aware of. If I find out about one, I promise to disclose all of its secrets right here on iSteve. No, just a lot of powerful and influential Jews that hate the West and hate Whitey. Likewise there are a lot of Blacks that have low IQs and are filled with resentment (by those same Jews). Just humans being tribal + leftist religion (the Religion of Equality as I call it) + a country that no longer has a clear ethnic majority. (I’m starting to think somewhere around 80% is some universal threshold for homogeneity that human societies need to function without too much ethnic strife)
I’m not sure if there’s a place for smarter than average conservative Blacks in an ideal America, but I think there’s room for a handful of right-wing, pro-White/pro-Western Jews.
These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.
John Wilkes Booth hardly belongs in that list. He wasn’t an incel or a loser. He wasn’t a mass murderer. He was a political assassin. He viewed himself as a modern Brutus to Lincoln’s Caesar. One may agree or disagree with his actions, but it is not the same thing.
How do we distinguish between “violent psychopath” political violence and non-psychopath political violence?
How many thousands or millions of Muslims have Israel and its attack dog in the Middle East killed?
The whole incident is far too pat, and the timing – at the peak of early voting – is too neat. Whatever the subjective motivation of the patsy, this was NOT a spontaneous event, but a carefully planned operation, probably to rile up anxiety and shore up the Democrat vote.
Not coincidentally, the incident was also planned to prepare the ground for a comprehensive gun ban, and for further censorship of competing social media (GAB.ai).
As Mr. Unz noted, anti-Semitism in the U.S. does not seem to have resulted in any verifiable murders. This is statistically astounding: let’s assume some 2 per cent of the population are Jewish, and only half (1 percent) are readily identifiable as Jewish to non-Jewish strangers. Also, let’s assume only 1 percent of the population carry serious anti-Jewish animus. Thus, conservatively, we would have:
1. Three million (3,000,000) Jew haters and
2. three million (3,000,000) identifiable Jews,
yet no clear anti-Semitic murder seems to have been documented over the past 100 years.
Now, suddenly a few days before an election, we have the Left’s wet dream: a single incident in a house of worship with multiple sympathetic victims, an “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle,” postings on a Twitter rival, etc. THE WHOLE SCENARIO SCREAMS FALSE FLAG.
Lunatics are a risk in a free and open society the way auto accidents are a risk in a technologically advanced society. There’s probably no way around this, if we’re being realistic. What was the political statement that set off Adam Lanza, the killer of first graders? None. Other mass killers are some lesser version of Adam Lanza, the difference being that they need some external motivation to justify their desire to commit criminal violence and attain infamy. Murdering defenseless worshipers isn’t very far off from murdering defenseless children.
It probably has to do with an inability to cope. Members of a society that has strong foundations in the Christian faith can probably cope better on a personal level than in a society that has little or declining faith.
The inability to cope also draws people towards radicalism, where all the answers are simple and one dimensional, and you can dwell in a world of pure emotion. I don’t go along with this “Jews are to blame for most problems” mindset, not because it’s immoral or something, but because it’s simplistic, and therefore unlikely to approximate reality.
Having said that, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t prominent and influential Jews out there who use their influence to try to divert any negative press away from everything Jewish, and act purely in an ethnocentric way. Why wouldn’t there be? There are Hindus and Mormons and Christians who do the same thing.
I’ve never had the impression that Steve’s Jewish critical blogs fit the profile of “Jews are to blame.” They fit the profile of challenging power and influence – which some Jews certainly have (in great quantity) – and exposing the corruption that sometimes accompanies power and influence. That’s supposed to happen in a free and open society. That some freak will glom onto one aspect of the message and – through the magic of radicalism – corrupt it into something evil and deadly has to be a risk that we accept and live with in a free and open society. Trying to combat the mentality of radicalism is far more important than combating racism, etc.
The people who are really sweating right now are the gun rights people, like me. The left, once again, won’t let a good crisis go to waste and will try to conflate multiple issues while emotions are high. Regardless, my prayers are with the loved ones of those lost and those who’ve been injured.
The average person can’t remember who the last Vice President before the current one was, but you want them to recollect the tone and substance of mass media coverage from random incidents years ago?
To the original post, am I supposed to notice a contradiction here? Supporting Trump is hardly a sine qua non for being labeled “right wing.”
Quite true. There are some bright peole on the alt-right too. You’d think they would have figured that out.
That is also true. However there are lots of people – millions actually – on the mainstream right, who – though perfectly sane – are supporting politicians and policies that are undermining nearly everything they hold dear and which will ultimately destroy their country and their civilization.
The two Jews going to a church were killed by Yahweh? because it wasn’t a synagogue?
Ok but I do see your point about Unz having an IQ of 200.
That’s an interesting claim: “Made with %100 Beef”. The worthless “collectible” coins sold by the Franklin Mint are “made with %100 silver”, but the coin itself is not actually 100% silver.
What were this guy’s grievances? One tweet I saw indicated he was upset about mass immigration and Jewish support of it.
Would Jewish individuals and organizations speaking out publicly against open borders and anti-White propaganda help lower the risk of something like this happening? When was the last time the ADL went after an anti-White statement or screed in the NYT, Washington Post, or elsewhere?
That’s an impressive set of false flags. The difference is that the Cuban government is a foreign government, not an American administration elected according to US electoral law.
Something like this – or even a tenth or twentieth of it – directed against an elected administration and discovered, would surely constitute treason, and would surely attract sanction up to and including the death penalty. “He who draws his sword against his prince should throw away the scabbard” as Machiavelli put it.
I suppose it’s just possible. There are a lot of Remain voters over here who are quite open about their desire to stop the implementation of the Leave vote. They aren’t even thinking about what that implies about their commitment to democracy.
(On the amazing utility of the fake bomb MAGAman and the recent shooting to the anti-Right cause, I guess we should remember that a lot of things happened under Obama that didn’t help the left – the Ferguson riots and murder of police were pretty poor optics for Dems even when Obama had the media in his pocket. “Events, dear boy, events” said MacMillan.)
Blaming Unz dot com. Pathetic cretin you are! SHAME.
If memory recalls he actually ended up shooting Gentiles. He apparently could not distinguish them from Jews.
Sure, I actually included exactly that very incident in my comment, since it was mentioned in the NYT article. Except, just as I said, none of the three people killed in that anti-Semitic attack were Jewish.
Look, over the last 30 years there have probably been over 500,000 homicides in America, including a very long list of mass-killings targeting people for all sorts of different reasons, including religion, ethnicity, sexuality, race, immigration-status, and almost anything else.
I’d certainly think that at least a handful of those 500,000 murder victims were killed because they were Jewish, but off-hand not a single example comes to mind. I’d also suggest that anyone immersed in the MSM during those decades would certainly assume otherwise.
Great. Thank you, thank you on behalf of all angery white male deplorables.
We Can Make America Great Like Brazil.
With friends like you…
Regarding the current state of what passes for the United States of America, I give you this this from the late Patrick Swayze.
Why the sarcasm, Mr. Sailer?
Is this not one case where the characterization “Anti-Semitic far right terrorist” is more accurate than not?
I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m pretty confident that the internet is radicalizing a lot of people on both the left and right. I hope this guy wasn’t an iSteve commenter, because that will probably end me up on some government list of potential troublemakers.
It’s a hell of a problem. Except for halfsigma’s blog and to a lesser extent slatestarcodex every other discussion forum either silences those who disagree with the Left or allows anti-Semites to spew their nonsense.
Personally I would rather swim with the anti-Semites as I think the Left is a much bigger threat, But if there is another shooting like this I will re-think things.
There’s no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it’s also given good ideas more exposure. And there’s no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn’t end up being “worse than the disease”.
iSteve is at once a purveyer of the worst ideas and of some of the best.
Thanks to my iSteve habit, I understand exactly where Robert Bowers was coming from. If there were no iSteve, I’d be scratching my head like everyone else.
“The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them” . You’re right . Why do you suppose that is . The only ruins of any civilizations in Sub-Saharan Africa are termite mounds .
Except if all of these events were false flags, where the hell’s the evidence. Do you have any idea how many totally obsessed culture warriors with Aspergers are poring over the minute details of every single news headline?
4Chan was able to fine Shia Labeouf in the middle of the the Tennessee wilderness based on the patterns of stars. They were able to reveal the location of an ISIS base camp to the Russia Air Force based on the angle of a cell tower in the distant background of a picture.
I’m not saying that the Men in Black would never be able to get away with some staged incident. But if false flags were even as tenth as common as Internet keyboard conspiracy theorists suggest, there should be signs somewhere. I’m not even talking about conclusive proof, I’m just talking about something that makes rational, sane people scratch their heads.
So either there’s one of two conclusions. One, far less plausible conclusion, is that the Men in Black are are the most efficient and effective shadow-dwelling force in the history of the world. They never make mistakes, they execute perfectly, there’s no leaks or threads left unturned. That almost certainly means that the forces of truth and justice are totally outmatched. Even if we speculate about them being behind whatever happens, we have no hope of ever catching, let alone exposing them. Might as well just lie back and take it.
The other conclusion is Occam’s razor. There’s 300 million people in this country, and human personalities span a very wide range. At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors. At any given point that means there’s hundreds of competent chaotic evil Americans, most of whom will go on to do something atrocious. Mass shooting, serial killing, chaining up some random person in their basement for decades, etc.
You missed the attack on the Seattle Jewish Federation, in 2006, that killed one and wounded about six. And the attack at the El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles in 2002, that killed two.
You’ve summed up Ron’s way of thinking pretty well.
Yes, it was interesting how the mainstream media ramped up its anti-gun rhetoric after a lunatic gang-banger shot up a plurality-Jewish high school. Kind of reinforces the “Jewish controlled media” stereotype, doesn’t it? We should prepare ourselves for even more unhinged propaganda this time.
When one considers the hatred toward whites and toward traditional America promulgated through public education, our universities, Hollywood and the mainstream media it’s amazing that there has been so little reactionary violence.
White Americans have responded, albeit feebly, pretty much exclusively through the political process. I think what it demonstrates is the extraordinary commitment the American people have had throughout our history to the rule of law and peaceful political processes, one that is almost unique.
Our revolution for the most part was organized politically under color of law using representative institutions and our chief complaint against the mother country was unfair denial of participation in the lawful political process.
Even the Civil War, the bloodiest event in American history, was fought through legal institutions such as state governments and county-commissioned regiments and turned heavily on legal questions such as whether a right of secession by a state was implied in the Constitution.
Violence by whites to achieve political goals outside of representative political institutions, such as that of John Brown and his opponents in Kansas, is notable because it has been so relatively unusual.
Even the lynchings of which so much is made by the dominant anti-white coalition in the media amounted to less than just a couple of bad years of homicides under our unesteemed former NYC Mayor Dinkins.
Generally political violence in the US has been by deluded Marxists of one stripe or another (anarchists, the so-called labor movement, the New Left, etc.) or blacks rioting under the incitement of the mainstream media organs (Ferguson, the LA riot, 60s urban riots, etc.).
Something that I have long thought remarkable is the restraint by ordinary Americans in the face of often brazenly open drug-dealing. Why don’t neighborhood dads ever organize a little posse, go down to the parking lot at the local high school and simply put a bullet in the head of the person selling heroin to the high school kids?
Again, it goes back to the remarkable commitment white Americans have had to the rule of law. We understand that such an act is still murder, and not justified, at least so long as we have a somewhat decent justice system.
This unusual commitment of Americans to the rule of law and the political process in our history is insufficiently appreciated because of the grossly distorted narratives retailed in the media and educational system.
“The Jews” of the present and future are comprised of (1) partial Jews with substantial gentile or asian ancestry and (2) mostly right wing orthodox and hasidic. The Jew-haters who post here spout tropes from half a century ago.
And here’s a tip – because many of the smarter whites will have some jewish ancestry, the right (and alt-right) will need them on their side. At least some of them.
That’s probably more for reasons of social class than anything. Jews, being on average more financially successful, would likely tend to live in safer neighborhoods.
So your premise is that unstable violent crazies can be safe sane people. And all we have to do to achieve that is a little bit of not having the Constitution any more. And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn’t count because, of course, when we jettison the Constitution we’re also jettisonning equal protection.
I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
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It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like myself cannot live a life of dignity but that is what it will mean in reality. In the last three years alone I have been told the following by recent non-white immigrants:
1. America is a sick place because it once contained segregation and slavery and people like me will pay because of those facts.
2. That there was nothing in the founding documents that said that English had to be the national language.
3. Islamic immigrants told me that when they are in the majority that they are in opposition to free speech because it could allow blasphemy.
Online I have been told by white conservatives on Nationalreview’s website that I am a white nationalist for opposing the absurdity of disparate impact and been threatened for my viewpoint.
The elite seem to want to do nothing to encourage assimilation or any values other than demanding that I puke on our history and culture, so yes if things continue that will mean I would probably not be able to live a life of dignity if things continue the way we are going.
Violence, sadly, works. It works when the sources of violence are extremely hard to find, infiltrate, and control. The FBI was able to completely crush the Klan when given the orders; it has largely failed to combat Muslim violence failing to stop: the 1993 WTC bombing, 9/11, the Tsarnaev Brothers, the San Bernadino married couple shooting of a Christmas Party at the office (13 dead) and Major Hassan at Fort Hood (also 13 dead). Mixed in were the shootings and deaths in a TN Armed Forces recruitment station, and various killings in the Pacific Northwest by lone wolf Jihadis and various near misses in NYC where bombs failed to go off.
What has been the result? Obama jailed a film maker for making a movie that insulted Mohammed and Islam. You might remember that. And doing either will get you a jail sentence in the US and the UK. Muslim violence worked because it demanded and got the submission by the State.
Black violence, too numerous to mention, has criminalized any negative speech about Black people. Any time, any where. Black people through violent action against innocent Whites demanded and got submission by the State.
These things have not gone un-noticed by White men who really, really want to kill someone and go out in a blaze of glory. Anders Breivik, this dude, Dylan Roof. And the massive publicity the media is pouring over this dude guarantees a copy cat. A desire to be famous, kill people, and help gain submission by the State is not just limited to Muslim and Black people. It cannot be denied how successful past violent campaigns have been.
I’m sure a Blue Wave will come, and abolish the 1st and 2nd Amendment. Rod Rosenstein and Jeff Sessions may remove Trump and Pence and install “interim for life” President Obama because Russians and reasons, or something. It won’t matter. It is trivially easy to construct all sorts of weapons of mass destruction as the 1993 WTC bombers demonstrated. And given the over pursuit of White men into the weeds there will be no shortage of dudes with nothing to lose and everything to gain by killing lots and lots of innocent people who are defenseless.
The FBI could crack easily the Klan because it had a well known and easily infiltrated social network. Muslim terror groups not so much because it depended on cousin kin-groups and the FBI itself was already infiltrated in counter-fashion by such groups as it recruited Muslim Arabic or Pushtun speakers to help go after terror networks. The same failure occurred in France. Black terror action was essentially impossible to infiltrate as it was lone wolf chaotic and thus non-predictable. The same holds true for this guy, James Hodgkins who shot Steve Scalise and the Congressional Republicans, the Vegas Bernie Bro who shot and killed all those Trump supporters, etc. Now we are seeing likely the first wave of the Breivik types.
Instapundit has warned of this dynamic for years. Over a decade in fact. Extreme atomization cuts both ways — it prevents political action but allows for a million Charles Gitueaus and Leon Czgolz types. There is no shortage of soft targets either.
How to combat this? Stuff everyone’s mouth with gold. Even that crazy dude if he had lots of stuff — a boat, a new car, a nice house, and none of it was at risk, would have just turned on the TV to catch the series than kill a bunch of people he didn’t even know. Even crazy people like money. Second crack down on Muslim, and Black and anti fa violence very publicly so there is no more anarcho-tyranny. Our globalist masters want none of that so be prepared for a war of all against all.
“The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them”
So how does that make whites in America or Great Britain responsible for the crimes of a German regime they fought to destroy?
Ron – Regarding your recent series of essays on Jews, have you asked yourself a few principled questions just to run a modest sanity check on yourself? Here are a couple of self-directed questions that I humbly suggest as straightforward examples:
• “Given my stated belief that Jews worship Satan, would I be willing to consider reading primary Jewish religious texts in order to confirm whether that claim is true?”
• “Given my stated inclination that the Holocaust was a hoax, would I be willing to consider the veracity of WWII era census data, photos, survivor testimony and documents such as Goebbels’ diaries as evidence of Nazi perpetrated genocide?”
If on a gut level, you would *NOT* ask yourself such highly reasonable questions (and answer in the affirmative), among other fair minded questions, can you see how your readers might question your motives and your judgement?
Given the enormous amount of time and energy you have put into building your body of written work over many years, why on earth would you put your credibility and reputation at risk – as you must be aware on some level you are doing – without taking such reasonable, sanity check precautions?
Will Trump calling for the death penalty (as Sessions rightly and immediately has) split the Democrats? I mean besides at NPR, at NPR they’ll note that the guy hated Trump and report it as Trump executing his critics.
Things hit a little close to home and some people are ready to start mutilating the First Amendment. Are we all a bunch of pussies? To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.
You are a smart man, so you cannot possibly be serious.
Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us? Have you ever seen us call for that here? No, you haven’t. Instead, we argue against “hate speech” laws and the very concept.
Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?
Of course you do. With all due respect, relax.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers/
I’m not completely getting your point, but it only takes one generation to catch up with all this.
And after catch-up, African societies are plenty deadly. Three million or so were killed in the Nigerian civil war.
As always you’re right Ali, let’s have millions more victims before rushing to any hasty conclusions.
As good as it is to be reminded that law enforcement works in hours when politically necessary and not at all when the victins are poor, those look like they are fully explained by drugs and blacks.
I hope not, but I expect that’s exactly what will happen under the next Dem President. And, unlike Trump, he’ll have the whole Justice Dep’t on his side.
It feels like America is in a race between forces that will bring about a new civil war, and forces that will prevent a civil war by imposing a left-wing totalitarian state.
Not up to your usual standards, TD.
Burkha bans are not a good idea. If we are surrounded by people who think that women should dress like that it is to our benefit to know it. The same as flag burning, these things radacalize people on our side.
You would characterize as mere criticism the statements about Jews/ The Jews that have been attributed to Mr. Bowers?
9/11
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Israel
Certain groups dream every night about the US government bringing out a blanket law that bans anti-semitism period. Anti-semitism would be anything they wanted to be, from mild criticism of Israeli policy to extreme violence such as this incident. Incidents like this only push us toward such laws. This guy might be a lone wolf, but looking at previous massacres such as the Las Vegas shooting and going back to Columbine, one can’t help but feel that the deep state behind some or most of them.
That’s because the vast vast majority of murders in the United States are hotheads, knuckleheads and gangstas. Crips and bloods taking potshots at each other, disputes over a dice game, someone’s shoes getting scuffed at the club, a crackhead who freaks out in the middle of a robbery. To a first approximation, 0% of murders are for any sort of political or cultural cause. If any murder victim in America was shot for being [X], it’s almost certainly because [X] was associated with some gang in a turf war. The 13th street Black Disciples doing a drive by on the 26th street Puerto Rican Kings isn’t exactly a national tragedy.
All you’re saying is “well, look, you’re much more likely to be killed by a knucklehead than a lunatic with a political cause.” And that’s absolutely right, but still irrelevant. Statistically, you’re much more likely to die by suicide than homicide. And even more likely by heart disease. Does that make you ignore crime statistics before moving into a new neighborhood? Similarly, knucklehead crime is orders of magnitude larger than terrorism. Do you similarly think major terrorist attacks don’t deserve extensive news coverage?
And on the topic of explicitly politically motivated crimes, the weight of the evidence is that Jewish Americans are disproportionately targeted. The FBI’s classification of hate crimes isn’t perfect, but it’s a pretty good proxy. The statistics are pretty consistent year over year.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses
Each year there’s 5-20 hate crime murders in the United States. At 2% of the population, we’d expect no more than 1 Jewish hate crime murder victim every 5 years. The Pittsburgh shooting alone makes 11 victims this year. That’s a 5000% percent over-representation of Jewish victims.
But it’s fairly difficult to reason about small random numbers. So let’s count all hate crime victims since that gives us a much larger, statistically stable dataset. Again it’s pretty consistent year to year. About 20% of hate crimes are directed against religion, and of those 50-60% are directed against Jews. That alone means Jews constitute 11% of hate crime victims, which is a 400% over-representation given their percentage of the American population.
I true…ewww.
Unfortunately, the black robes outlawed “separate but equal” back in 1954.
I tried to post some Brazilian propaganda and it didn’t get through. But yes good news is coming after all this bad news.
The ban hammer that comes for Unz and other counter-semites will come from the right and it will come soon. Just because they’re not as bad as the left doesn’t mean that they’re all that hot.
I too fear a coming attack on speech, but not only from Democrats. Even our president last night said some things that made me nervous.
It does indeed feel like we are caught in forces of history beyond our control, and it’s not a pleasant feeling.
A push against free speech would incite even more of this history to happen. It would be best if people with the power to really do such a stupid thing would stop and think and realize that they would only be making things worse.
My wife lived through a revolution, one that went in a positive direction. I don’t want her to have to live through another one — one that could go the other way.
” At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors.”
In a nation of over 330 million people 1% means there are over 3 million potential Robert Bowers and potential Omar Mateens. That’s larger than the population of Chicago. We are a psycho nation.
I would guess that even among the very few hardcore anti-Semites you’d be hard pressed to find any of them who try to justify any murder, especially mass murder. Also, many who are critical of the Jews come from a conservative Christian tradition (E. Michael Jones, late Joe Sobran, etc.) where committing or even intending harm to anyone is gravely immoral and absolutely prohibited (the decline of Christianity is not good for the Jews in the long run).
Compare this to Baruch Goldstein, who murdered more than 3 times as many worshippers than the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter. Goldstein murdered 29 Muslim worshipers.
From Wikipedia:
I see leftists are now openly calling for Trump to be assassinated.
Those statistics don’t mean anything. Other behavioral factors could easily explain them. Are Jews more likely to live in densely populated urban areas for instance?
We should surrender to becoming Brazil? By the way, our project has been working just fine thus far.
Hopefully in their panic they will try to grasp water in bare hands.
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Victims are possibly being misidentified? A news site had a headline about surviving the Holocaust but not Pittsburgh (just have to cement that connection one more time), then this:
https://postimg.cc/pyZkPnct
“There’s no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it’s also given good ideas more exposure. And there’s no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn’t end up being “worse than the disease”.
No one was silencing Robert Bowers at Gab yet he still went full blown Joseph Goebbels on the Jews. At Gab threatening to murder Jews is as common as the sun rising. Gab is basically the dark web. Gab is like an ISIS website for The Alt-Right.
What’s with the Syrian’s barely lethal chemical WMD? Which seem to crop up whenever Assad is close to a major victory.
This was never a secret conspiracy, it was a big lie right in our faces. We kicked off the Iraq War based on lies. And tried in Syria on multiple occasions.
The Syria lies have eroded my trust in Government more than historically much more serious lies. Its the blatant obviousness that disturbs me. Is it a conspiracy? That requires secrecy, so no.
I see more of the same: denial of internet services by large companies. No twitter, facebook, AWS or Godaddy for you!
Taking it a step further, the big companies will say “We need to comply with European hate speech regulation. With proxies and other location spoofing, we just can’t allow hate speech anywhere on our networks.”
That is all driven by the left. The mainstream right will defend their right flank: Tommy Robinson, Geert, Bannon, Pam Geller, etc. Beyond them, they have no interest in preventing censorship but rarely actively support it.
The final blow will be denial of DNS service to crimethinkers. Sure, you can Tor or bookmark IP addresses. But that kills 95% of the audience.
Thinking ahead 5 years, Twitter and Facebook have a lot of poorly paid human “content review” censors they are eager to replace with AI. Pretty soon AI will be very good at it as this plays to one of its strengths.
The current tight labor market is crimping the degree of censorship by employers. Nobody wants to look for a new hire among the unemployed now, and poaching is expensive and not appreciated by the “competitor” employer.
“Have white men like us called for speech restrictions”
Yes actually. Richard Spencer admits there would be NO free speech in his fantasy White ethnostate.
Which makes sense because free speech did not exist in Nazi Germany either and Richard Spencer sees Nazi Germany as the blueprint for a White ethnostate.
Actually a synagogue is one of those places.
In related news, CBC disabled comments on this one. Looks like the driver forgot to paint over the emblem on the truck door.
A picture is worth a thousand words @ 3m20s
Most of the people he killed seem to have been grandparents, so I doubt they were politically active about much of anything besides not cutting Medicare or Social Security, if they were even up to that. One victim was pushing 100.
What about the Muslim in San Bernardino who got in an argument with a Jewish co-worker, then shot both Christians and Jews at the office “holiday” party? Does that count as a hate crime?
““Multiculturalism is just not working out.”
Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.”
There are cons and pros to multiculturalism just like most things in life that are not absolutes. The only type of multiculturalism that has 100% cons and 0% pros is Islamic multiculturalism, not even their cuisine is a pro. Muslim food is nowhere near as delicious as Italian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai, Cajun, and Brazilian food for example.
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Yoav Eliasi(“The Shadow”) has 390K followers on Facebook, far more than any media/political/activist figure in Israel.
Today he blamed radical leftist Jews for the attack in Pittsburgh Pa, claiming that their subversive methods and their pushing of illegal migration to western countries is to be blamed for the terror attack yesterday.
He also blamed the globalist subversive Jews for the holocaust.
Mea culpa. I have been very harsh on the 400,000,000 Semites from Nouadhibou to Ras al-Jinz.
I didn’t realize, though, that I was curdling blood. I thought it was just the milk in the bladder pouches carried on speeding camels.
Well, maybe he has a point: everybody rightly hates those god-damn holiday office parties, and now they’re leading to violence, so perhaps it’s best if we shut them down.
I thought of this and 9-11.
9-11 was in some part an antisemitic hate crime. European and Muslim antisemitism is virtually always mixed with generic anti-Americanism.
This is the Jewish notion that being murdered because of hate is somehow worse than being murdered for some other reason, such as not being able to afford the type of neighborhood that Jews live in.
More likely a manhole cover.
Looking at your last picture, I find, that America seems to be in dire need of a new brand. I’d propose Luther Big (instead of Calvin Klein, that is – or would that be too brainy? Ok – what about Calvin Big then – simple ‘n’ easy, isn’t it?).
It’s just another brick in the wall.
Ron I can think of one explicit anti Semite murder previously that being the murder of the radio host Alan berg. The order, a white supremacist group inspired by the turner diaries was responsible.
That spoiled milk is called kefir Reg, you damn Kaffir.
Our Führer called it a different name that never caught on in English for some reason.
I linked a WSJ story on NetFlix corporate culture that got moderated, and it connects to your point. Censorship, bullying, namecalling, firing people for their beliefs, and violent rhetoric are all 100% encouraged so long as the targets are white male traditionalists, and big tech corporations lead the way and live their ideals. The NetFlix meetings where employees have to justify their employment but are poisonously enough allowed to criticize their bosses are adapted leftist struggle sessions.
No, but we’d do quite well to adopt their immigration policies. Indeed, we had similar ones once, but threw them away.
Evidently, Portuguese was made official in an early constitution, but that was unnecessary, as limited immigration ensured that even with 200,000,000 people, they’d be among the most monolingual states in the hemisphere, if not the world.
Also, their music still sounds like music. Ours hasn’t for the last fifty years.
Well, it’s *mostly* relatively harmless, if only because guys like Wally are such caricatures that they only inspire a bit of a giggle – and it’s definitely within American first Amendment traditions – but, yes, such talk is potentially dangerous. I wish we could get a little more moderation, at whim, especially on RKU’s & Giraldi’s posts.
The same statement was made by many of those who defended the actions of the late Baruch Goldstein. Goldstein was the fanatic Zionist settler who, back in 1994, entered a West Bank mosque and massacred the Palestinian civilians who were praying there.
You just couldn’t resist, could you? You had to over-egg the pudding. Seems like a thing in some circles.
What they were actually doing was conducting a genital-mutilation ritual to propitiate a genocidal storm god, who they believe made a pact with an incestuous couple from southern Turkey.
It might not dawn on people whose cognitive apparatus has been twisted by indoctrination into a “Blut un Rasse, Gott Mit Uns” cult, but it’s actually possible to “celebrat[e] the naming of a baby” without having some charlatan in a silly hat hack at its penis while mumbling drivel, just so that a fictional Sky Maniac is pleased somehow.
Now it should go without saying (but doesn’t because the internet has an IQ of 100 now): the victims didn’t deserve to die for being adherents to a religion whose canonical texts are full of what their left-leaning provocateurs would call ‘hate speech’ if it was directed towards them.
Fuck ‘too soon’: it’s terrible that some mentally-ill retard killed these people, but that fact doesn’t make their stupid primitive behaviour acceptable.
What psychotropic cocktail was Bowers taking? #QuestionsNeverAsked
Concern troll is concerned.
That would take a revival, which we’re actually about due for, but I don’t think it will happen under that brand. Too closely tied to the failing regime.
“Dickmilch”? Come again?
I think it sounds better in the unpronounceable “Boarisch”:
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gschdeglde
Besides, I was talking about cheese.
Oh wow!
America seems to be in dire need for a new brand! If I look at the last photo, Luther Big should fit in nicely. And if that might turn out to be too brainy, then why not try Calvin Big: That’d be nice ‘n’ easy – one double brand fits all!
https://postimg.cc/2bRrD4kp
Every attempted Muslim terror attack or planned attack is a hate crime against the “infidel”, the “kafir”, overwhelmingly Christian. The infidel is the object of hate. How many have their been? Dozens? Hundreds?
Reg (if I may): do you ever stray outside the safe confines of ISteve on this site?
The sort of commentary that goes down routinely on posts by, e.g., Giraldi & RKU himself is no laughing matter.
America is the only country where “anti-Semites” are more than happy to sell a Jew a gun.
Wrap your mind, and ammo strap, around that!
No the most likely thing is muddling through with Trump types. Normals don’t have time for a civil war, it would interfere with too many fantasy leagues.
I see the shills are out in force today with their selective concerns.
The embargo on criticism of Jews is Bad for the Jews. It makes you feel more like a ruling class than a protected one. That’s not where you want to be at 2% pop.
Shutting down Unz will make it worse.
That’s because the United States is Zionism’s attack dog.
Physician, heal thyself.
“Dickmilch” is pretty unfortunate.
And “thick milk” doesn’t sound much more appetizing.
I’m not sure why; “milk shake” works great!
Thanks Sailer, for keeping my comments in purgatory while entire discussions continue on. The “I was sleeping all day” excuse doesn’t fly when you’re busy approving scores of other replies and counter replies. Just delete mine at this point.
I’ll try following the Jefferson, Thomm, Corvinus model of commenting. I’ll be on the fast track to approval in no time.
Two of the dead were mentally disabled. The killer sure was brave. Old Jews and the retarded.
Bowers only inspired a bit of a giggle until he didn’t.
You’re thinking of Jews.
Do you feel the same way about All Qaeda sites? How to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom sites?
Your question assumes that such an individual is acting rationally. Is such an assumption a reasonable one to make (a) in general, about someone who does or would perpetrate such violence against civilians and (b) about Mr. Bowers, specifically, given what has been reported about him?
“The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.”
Never let a good Reichstag Fire go to waste, huh? Who needs that freedom of speech stuff?
Which will provide even more justification for the curtailment of civil liberties. Win-win as far as the oligarchy is concerned.
That’s interesting, isn’t it? If there haven’t been any Ant-Semitic killings in a long time, that means something is different now. Is it something passing, or something permanent?
How did the spooks find these 2 nuts and how did they get them to act in stereotypical crazy fashion a week before the midterms?
It’s almost as if it were scripted
Agreed – totally. Which is why I’d like to see a little more Sailer-style moderation at whim around here.
I’ve watched the ever-increasing…contrariness? shall we say?…of some of RKU’s recent posts, and the accompanying commentary, with a mounting fear that this is leading to an effective shut-down of this site, and of ISteve.
It is a voice inside his head that he has put into the mouth of his fantasy enemy to make himself feel more important. The bloke is a sadistic twit of the sort that people used to simply and justly called “evil”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot#Yankel_Rosenbaum_killing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting
The LA shooter produced no dead bodies but not for lack of trying.
The 2014 shooter mentioned by others in reply to your post killed three Gentiles, but one imagines he thought they were Jews at the time, which is grimly humourous if you think about it.
Sometimes I do wonder about you, Unz. Are you getting back at some relative?
Academic Gossip could be Ron Unz’s inner voice of sanity. A reverse version of the “mother” in the movie Psycho.
I have not suggested shutting down this forum. I suggest that
sane people consider their impact on the less stable before they write or free speech will be one more nice thing that we can t have any more.
And this includes RKU. Poking the bear is fun until the bear pokes back.
You betcha.
BS. Ending Jim Crow and mass immigration, the two root reasons for the majority of “knucklehead crime”, were / are 100% Jewish political acts.
How many gentile Whites are killed each year as a result? Care to do a representational calculation of their deaths vs Jews?
Thought not. Btw, they well exceed eleven people per year. In addition, how many of them do you wager are motivated by the Jewish “white supremacy” propaganda that they turn out as fast as they can? Are the Jews, as a political group, still pure victims in the cases when they are rarely victimized?
Why? Due to innocence? Or due to Jewish political activity that can be traced to deaths and misery of the groups that occassionally target them?
You dabble in superficial statistics like your conclusions mean anything (ignoring whether or not you are accurate). Your statement is like stating “group x was killed at 400% of the rate of group y in a war, which means they are victimized at a greater rate”. When there is political action and motivation, “over-representation” is politically meaningless. At best , you are offering a correlative factor to their degree of engagement in political hostility in the American political space. See the Palestinians and their responses to Jews in the Middle East. I suppose that you would take the Jews to be pure victims there as well, as they keep the Palestinians in forever-detention.
Btw, look for similar measures against Whites once our population gets low enough. These people are master oppressors and will unsentimentally put their practiced systems into place at the first chance. That’s who you are apologizing for.
How about instead we try to address some of these commenters’ concerns, if any are legitimate?
Mass immigration, anti-White propaganda?
Yup just a matter of time before unz is shut down and the internet completely purged. Enjoy it while you can. As soon as Trump is out of office (or May be before) the banhammer will come down, harshly.
Count as what? What are we counting?
I wish to make sure so that we get the count correct, on both sides.
Be careful though, because it will take balls for Jews to start counting their miniscule numbers against what we have lost to Jewish politics and wars. Don’t start getting uppity and chastise the wrong groups. The counting might start becoming sincere as a result.
Murdering someone for sectarian reasons is a crime against society. That you’re privileged to live in a country relatively devoid of that type of violent conflict allows you to not realise that.
People have always and will always treat it more seriously than ordinary crime.
I really strongly believe that it is gross that prejudice against white people is acceptable in mainstream society. On the other hand, the depth and rancour of that prejudice never approaches that shown by commenters here towards Jews.
Wide and shallow versus deep and narrow.
Mainstream society is stupid and deluded but the commenters here are a bunch of f*cking psychos. Who can pull the trigger on a 97 year old woman sat in a peaceful city? Why are they exulting in it? I suppose all they have to do is read and believe Unz’s articles…
@51 prosa123: “It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.”
Yeah, I too have no love lost for Jerry Rivers, but his expose was a small part of the problem. I had a paternal uncle, a psychologist, whose “proudest achievement” (according to his obituary) was the de-institutionalizing of the mentally ill in his home state. May his corpse rot and his soul burn.
The ruling classes in ancien regime France and tsarist Russia were probably around 2 percent.
That’s quite a strawman you’ve thrown up there. One must wonder about the strength of your argument if you felt compelled to put forth such a distortion.
Why don’t we look at what people are upset about and see if we can address it.
Who is exulting in the murders?
What is your advice to Devlin and his little friends?
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/what-incel-look-the-anti-woman-movement-behind-multiple-terror-attacks/q32YZbQJQfOfq2AKF8vLBJ/
The Zionists have been doing it for almost 100 years. Some even boast about it. See “price tag” strategy.
Yes it does, it exceeds it. See Django Unchained.
No one here is exulting in it. If killing the elderly is a test of depravity, what judgment on those who drop bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Gaza, and the West Bank?
People have always and will always treat it more seriously than ordinary crime.
Sorry not buying it. “People” treat it more seriously because we have a minority occupation government.
https://postimg.cc/23kYQd56
For some bears the poking back is the best part.
As the ADL might so calmly put it when a Jew is a naughty boy: “this type of violence (or speech) is counterproductive”.
However, you are unduly discounting the fact that the Jewish war of attrition on whites is carried out via political influence, wealth, and pressure that, at its root, was and is possible because they chose to wedge their way into multiple societies while refusing to integrate.
Their indirect acts of murder through political policy and influence completely eclipses any death toll through random terrorism, and yet eleven deaths would have you waive your rights to or avenues of free speech? Do you know who you are fighting, exactly?
The very intentional Jewish inflicted death toll on Americans during the USS Liberty incident, alone, is not yet nearly met with equal reprisal: if you want to get technical and start counting (not what I’m suggesting). And you wish to give up your free speech?
What benefit did American Whites gain from giving up 500k men in WWII? How about for giving up 500k men in the civil War? We gained a stronger war against us, is what.
You aren’t meant for the reality of the political world, with all due respect.
A huge reason for the Trumpening was that all those credentialled coastal knowitalls had absolutely no idea that anyone disagreed with them. Their answer now is like that of Brezhnev in the Soviet history train metaphor: “close the window curtains!”
Read a history book.
Is it your opinion that Unz is no better than Stormfront?
It doesn’t strike me that way at all.
What you propose is that people be held responsible for the behavior of crazies. Under what legal system and theory of psychiatry does that work? And will any mainstream journalists at all — you know, the ones talking incessantly about assassinating the President, poisoning water supplies and mass-castrating virgins, starting unwinnable or nuclear wars, and so on — have to worry about this policy, or is it just for the farm animals?
No he was just quoting himself.
There are people who make billions getting Jews stirred up about anti-Semitism, just as there are those who make billions getting gentiles stirred up about all kinds of random shit. Some of them – see Dees, Morris – are equal opportunity grifters.
The ban on criticisizing Jews as Jews takes the brake off the former and stirs up the unstable, because it is conspicuously special treatment in a society that is used to being no-holds-barred criticism-wise*. That’s what he was alluding to.
* – of course blacks have enjoyed it to, but no one is about to mistake blacks for a ruling class. It is to the credit of Jews that they can credibly be portrayed as such.
Uncle Leo, is that you?
Not that it would make any difference either way. There is no moral reason to care more about one cold-blooded murder than another. Minorities like to monopolize victimhood.
If I’m not mistaken, weren’t most of those “hate” crimes committed by an Israeli kid? You probably don’t remember it, but a couple of years ago 24 Christians were murdered at a Church service in Texas, so we’ve still got you beat.
I think there’s a difference between these two things:
1) Exaggerating the prevalence of racist and antisemitic violence (what the left does to tar white people with a brush).
2) Treating such violence with the appropriate seriousness on those rare occasions when it does occur.
The toughest ethno-nationalist governments tend to take #2 very seriously. It’s a law and order thing. The message to minorities is: We guarantee your safety, so you better do what we say.
“This is the Jewish notion that being murdered because of hate is somehow worse than being murdered for some other reason, such as not being able to afford the type of neighborhood that Jews live in.”
If we were to accept that most Blacks can not afford to live in nice neighborhoods because of nature and IQ, we can assume the same applies to you and other underclass White trash.
@91 Buzz Mohawk: “To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.”
But Jack’s not at all concerned with limiting his freedom of speech, its YOURS (and mine) that he wants to reduce.
“Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?”
You make the classic error of assuming that, since Jack D was born on America’s magic dirt, he holds those men and their ideas as a sacred part of his adoptive ancestry. On the contrary, his body of comments clearly demonstrates that the ancestry and values he holds sacred are not American at all. This is neither surprising nor unnatural, but it is prima facie evidence of why multiculturalism and religious pluralism doomed America from the start.
Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates.
LOL
BTW price/quality wise Whoppers are okay.
What do you think that desegregation, mass immigration, and Israel are about exactly? Murder for sectarian reasons.
No they won’t. The Jewish media variously downplays and promotes all sorts of sectarian murder, according to whatever agenda it needs to meet. Your statement is false on its face.
Interesting. The American Jewish Congress, as the voice of mainstream political Judaism, and its appendages do not believe what you do. They have invented a “War on White Supremacy” and will use the phrase “White Supremacy” whenever possible, even as they remain exponentially more politically powerful than any White man on the face of the planet.
The man who wrote a book on “Jewish Supremacy”, in comparison, lives in a trailer in the South and had the Jews successfully associate his very name with immoral beliefs. Consider the contrast. POTUS can barely keep his head above the attacks of the relentless Jewish media.
See above. You cite commentors on a low traffic internet board. In real life, our children are indoctrinated, from every angle, with the belief that they are evil and “supremacist” at the behest of Jewish political groups and influence. So are their minority enemies who go on to engage in mass murder and mayhem in every major American city, every year.
Your lies here aren’t even effortful.
Sarah Silverman: Donald Trump Has Gone ‘Full Hitler’ https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/10/26/sarah-silverman-president-trump-full-hitler/
Good photo within of her in full fanatic nuttiness.
IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?
TBD
Unz got a large migration and surge of “Nazi” type anti-Semitic posters when the Stormfront site was down for about a month. This took place about a year ago when it got the boot from its hosting company. Not literally Nazi but mostly nutty wannabees.
Sectarian violence is always and everywhere taken more seriously. That is a fact. The reasons are complex but it has traditionally had nothing to do with minoritarianism and everything to do with maintaining order; which is the conservative priority above all.
An ordinary murder is an impingement of order but a sectarian crime is a threat to social order in general.
Just because the libs do something, it doesn’t make it wrong.
I can promise you that Catholics murdering Protestants and Protestants murdering Catholics is a lot bigger news in Northern Ireland than murders not so obviously in the service of social chaos.
Spergy arguments of a killing is a killing don’t cut it in the real world.
blue cheka journalists on social media sites like twitter regularly say things like white women carrying white male babies should abort them.
this is something many people may not realize – in the last few years tens of millions of people have witnessed with their own eyes the anti-white double standard over hate speech enforced by social media and this has hardened opinion quite dramatically.
Here is another resource that might be helpful in your research, Mr. Unz:
Terrorist Incidents and Attacks Against Jews and Israelis in the United States 1969-2016
http://archive.is/sQqxm
Jewish targets often serve as precursors to larger attacks: Perpetrators of well-known larger attacks, such as the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, were first involved in anti-Jewish incidents – http://archive.is/sQqxm#selection-1477.0-1499.53
Serious Question: Why are conservatives morons? I really want to know.
Before getting upset, consider the question and what I have to say carefully. I see on this comment thread posters lamenting an incoming crackdown on freedom of speech. I see other guys questioning whether or not they will fight for their freedoms. I see people questioning whether dissident sites like this one will be shut down. Some also speculated that political dissidents will even be banned from using the internet entirely. All of these comments, however, miss a fundamental point. Take for example the following comment:
“Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?”
The fundamental point Mr. Mohawk is missing? Guys like Patrick Henry (and Gandhi and King and all the rest) weren’t merely fighting for the nebulous concept of “freedom”, an unachievable goal by itself. They were all fighting to overthrow an oppressive system that prevented them from exercising those aspirations while, more importantly, fighting for a new system that would allow for those goals to be implemented; in the case of Gandhi and Henry, this was done through an independence movement pitting their neighboring kin against more distant, less connected, kin or foreigners. With that in mind, what sense does it make to continue along the current path? What I’ve seen from right-wingers is a bunch of pie-in-the-sky about nebulous “freedoms” while simultaneously fighting to preserve the very system which is about to deprive them of said “freedoms.” What sense does that make and why do conservatives continue along this doomed route? Is it just me? Do you not see the logic in this? Do I not understand something? Please explain this to me.
AND
“It feels like America is in a race between forces that will bring about a new civil war, and forces that will prevent a civil war by imposing a left-wing totalitarian state.”
I have seen exactly this type of comment broached in detail by another commenter on one of these other threads months and even years ago, might have been one of Roberts’s columns. The poster predicted exactly this would happen and explained why; he also laid out the chilling future history of this country in detail. He then offered a simple solution guys like Patrick Henry once supported themselves: secession. However, he was ignored and even lightly mocked for the suggestion. Figures, I guess. Seems there is always a Cassandra to be ignored back when it would have made a difference.
AND
The entirety of the so-called alt-right. All of it, basically. Just what do you people want? What’s your endgame? What’s your plan? Do you have any organizational structure to make it happen, besides some rinky dink websites? Have you even given it thought? Take, for example, the alt-right Proud Boys, just one of many possible examples. What was their goal? Does anyone know? Do they? Was it to sit around and attack people in the streets thinking the government wouldn’t respond, even if they were merely defending themselves? Logically, wouldn’t it have been better to put their efforts into an achievable goal where their aspirations could be realized? Wouldn’t having such an achievable end goal reduce the probability of deranged maniacs like this Synagogue shooter because they’d have some hope for the future, something to take up their time with? I don’t get this. Please explain because I’m at a loss here. I feel like a puzzled Agent Smith questioning Neo on a subject he fundamentally doesn’t get. Why, why, why? This is an academic question. I am genuinely puzzled.
AND
Question: do you guys really think that voting for a guy like Donald Trump is going to help you out? What exactly do you think this guy can or will do and what do you think the probability is that he can do it, whatever it is, even if he were so inclined? If he cannot do what you want, shouldn’t you either consider someone else or something else?
AND
“Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us?”
Conservatives in many states have supported proposed unconstitutional anti-speech laws that more-or-less criminalize criticism of Israel. The guy you are responding to supported such laws on iSteve, so his comment alluding to banning all criticism of his fellow Jews makes a lot of sense (also unconstitutional). It would seem to me that you conservatives helped to set the very precedent for your own later oppression. I seem to remember a couple of guys here pushing back very hard on this topic but not many. Did the rest of you guys ever bring it up again or do anything to oppose such laws?
So, I don’t get it. Is there some kind of stupefying field surrounding the planet? Is there really some kind of smart, all-knowing deep state that buys off all the talented smart guys before they cause too much trouble? I guess, yeah. Our Ivy League system. But surely some must fall through the cracks. Is Trump really so charismatic to lull all of you into blissful ignorance? Is it that people are just naturally short-sighted? Explain.
“There’s 300 million people in this country, and human personalities span a very wide range. At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors.”
Maybe my questions have already been answered for me.
There was shooting in 1999 at the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center where 5 were wounded and one mail carrier killed by some lunatic.
Now that Bolsonaro has won in Brazil, leftists are setting up the “violent right” lie. If an assembly of ventilation tubing explodes near a shop window just as a bag lady walks by with her shopping cart, it will be reflexively understood by everyone with the programming as bearing out the fear of Bolsonarist violence.
This particular illustration points up that this never made any sense. Any violent thoughts I may have had evaporated when Trump was elected: why would anyone feel driven to vigilantism when the government is working properly? And by exactly the same token, the antifa mobs make perfect sense in an environmemt where their Hawaiian rug has been rudely yanked out from under them. Their vigilantism is an expression of their felt poweressness. “People will be killed tonight” in Brazil because of decades of leftists doing everything they can to make Brazil dangerous, not because of Bolsobaro, and after a few years of Bolsonaro, Brazil will grow safer.
https://postimg.cc/SX24Tzz9
Last year, an atheist went into a church in Texas and killed 26 Christians (more than double the number killed in this synagogue shooting). Nobody cared about those victims. Nobody said we should censor anti-Christian speech or crack down on atheists. White Christian lives don’t matter to the media and politicians.
The level of political awareness of the perpetrator does match the level of stupidity of his crime. Going to a synagogue and killing several Jews was the best he could come up with? A person who writes this:
concludes that killing several Jews is going to make some difference? And what did he mean about the optics when he wrote just few hours before:
He was aware that his action will hurt the cause that he identified with.
He exemplifies true American character that is isolated and his only means of expression is violence:
Please, Tyrion2 – I’m a commenter, here, Jack D is a commenter here, Lot is a commenter here – come to think of it, you’re a commenter here.
A crazy doing a one-off is not “sectarian violence.” In fact even sectarian violence is subject to numbers. As I said during the rash of Palestinian stabbings a while back in Israel, this proved that Israel won, because even if they hadn’t, uhhh, covered their national founding in the circumstances that attended it, even if they were a “normal country,” there would be some idiot with a knife somewhere.
Great post. Among other things, it poses the question: If engaging in or promoting violent conduct is the measure of crazy, who is crazy and who is sane?
So, it’s your contention that it was Geraldo who actually started the fire?
The problem is there are a bunch of losers who rather than get up off their asses and do something to empower themselves, they decide its the Jews or the Blacks or the Feminists (or the Straights, or the Christians, or the Whites).
Then when they really bottom out, they go psycho and shoot up a synagogue or something equally stupid.
You live in the free-est country in the world, lots of opportunities, free speech, freedom of religion. If you life sucks, its your fault.
If you want to know the real enemy, look in a mirror loser.
Sorry, my language was vague. It was intended only to describe the usual suspects. It doesn’t even begin to describe the majority or even close to the majority, nevermind all. The ones I mean are the ones who even Goebbels would have thought were sickening lunatics.
The most pathetic thing about the Nazis and the wannabe Nazis is that here you have these people defined by a total absence of any well-formed sense of self just gloming onto some rock-concert-like movement to fill up a total void, and all fueled by a self-destructive sense of resentment and disempowerment. Slave morality squared.
Mass politics is pretty gross stuff in general, but the mindless zombies that creep around follow the leader cults is vomit inducing. Even the leaders of such movements acknowledge it in private.
I try to be nice to Ron since I’m an anon and he is a known person, not to mention the creator of a useful free website.
With that said, I located the source for his recent claims that I “attack and denounce” him:
The idea is that there’s a Good Ron and a Bad Ron, and a good/bad status for commenters.
The classification algorithm is that if you challenge “good” data-analysis Ron too pointedly, thus insulting his 7 standard deviation IQ, you are moved from Good Commenter standing into the Bad partisan-Jewish-berserker-fanatic bucket, drawing out the ire of “bad” Jew-baiting Ron on the warpath against the organs of Jewry. I’m not sure whether all the people who have gotten this treatment here are actually Jewish, and some of them have been excommunicated for disagreement on non-Jewish matters such as the Hispanic Crime analysis. But that’s the algorithm as inferred from observation.
The crusty ex prodigy is a standard Jewish archetype exemplified by Noam Chomsky and Bobby Fischer,
http://www.unz.com/isteve/operation-finale-my-movie-review-in-takis-magazine/#comment-2501573
Your honesty is refreshing.
This might end up empowering Trump, if only because his opponents have their heads all the way up their asses, but surely the killer didn’t anticipate it helping Trump.
You know, the person the killer claims to oppose.
There is nothing at all natural or conservative about treating crimes against a minority more seriously than crimes against the majority, this is pure gaslighting meant to advance your own ethnic interests. Northern Ireland is not a valid comparison because it’s roughly evenly split between Catholics and Protestants, with no dominant majority.
What a bunch of horse manure. Whites have been literally run out, en masse, from cities built by their own ancestors one family at a time, but nary a peep about “ethnic” violence. Of course, that’s different because reasons or something.
“Sectarian violence is always and everywhere taken more seriously. That is a fact. The reasons are complex but it has traditionally had nothing to do with minoritarianism and everything to do with maintaining order; which is the conservative priority above all.”
But The Alt-Right is not Conservative, so it is not a priority for them.
Apparently, there was supposed to be a ritual circumcision in one area. I guess it’s a miracle he didn’t shoot the baby.
If Jews really think such violence is more threatening to public order, are they not admitting that diversity is a huge weakness? Why then do they lie and claim the contrary?
A disgusting pig who I am very very sorry the cops did not kill. Now we have to pay for his incarceration.
“Two of the dead were mentally disabled. The killer sure was brave. Old Jews and the retarded”
Nobody ever accused The Alt-Right of being brave, so ofcourse he would pick on old people and folks with down syndrome just like Adolf Hitler did.
You misuse the word “literally”. You should rewrite your post in accurate language and then see if your argument makes sense.
So, she hasn’t been paying attention to Ivanka’s family or the embassy placement? She didn’t notice the way Obama managed to alienate everyone in the Middle East, regardless of side, with pro-Muslim rhetoric followed by line-drawing followed mostly by piccoat-holding during the ironically-named Arab Spring?
It’s like doublethink.
There are so many things I could criticise about The Donald, but this isn’t one of them.
Name the mass shooters diagnosed with a mental illness before the shooting. If the person was never diagnosed with a mental illness, he would never be in a mental institution. Closing the mental institution would have no effect on people who would not be in the institution if it remained open.
Here is where your thinking goes wrong. When someone does something so evil that we cannot understand it, we often rationalize that they have a sick mind. In that way we stay in the warm belief that all people are basically good and no one (in their right mind) would do such a thing. People do evil things in their right mind and with volition as much as it pains you to look on it.
Tiny Johnson. A troll sense of humour.
For all the hysterics around Trump such as when he threw a handful of missiles at Syria, it seems that he has really kept his campaign platform of no new wars and gradually pulling back from American intervention overseas.
Strange how exactly topsy turvy the reporting is.
https://www.hias.org/hias-election-campaign
The racial demographics of people who vote in Wisconsin Republican Primaries is almost entirely White and Alt-Right candidate Paul Nehlen still lost by a huge landslide. It was definitely a blow to his huge ego to find out that his Alt-Right views are not even popular with the vast majority of White Republicans, let alone White people in general. This has driven him over the edge even more knowing that his political career is basically dead in the water.
Does Israel treat crimes against Palestinians more seriously than crimes against Jews?
If he was angry with HIAS why did he not go to their offices? Why kill 9 elderly people and 2 mentally retarded people who no doubt have absolutely nothing to do with HIAS ?
I would wager that none of the victims even knew what HIAS was. I certainly didn’t before yesterday.
I’m reminded of the declaration of a Jew decades ago that a person could not be elected dog catcher if the Jews opposed him. What are the chances that a person could be elected dog catcher in podunk wherever if the Jews could front $12 million dollars against him? That is the governing dynamic driving Amerian politics?
Another issue: The Jewish lobby used to “hit on” Congressmen once they were elected. That proved problematic and embarrassing if the Congressmen were patriots and refused the threats and/or the money. Then, the Jewish lobby changed its tactics to set up “farm teams” of eligible candidates who were preselected for their allegiance to Israel. Many of the candidates that you see on the ballot are graduates from Jewish “farm teams”.
Frank Keating, Governor of Oklahoma from 1995 to 2003 was from one of these “farm teams”. He was, for a short period of time, a potential candidate for vice-president on George Bush’s team. That collapsed when it was leaked that a Jewish banker on Wall Street had been padding his income by giving thousands of dollars a year to his children for an extended period of time.
https://newsok.com/article/2728052/cathy-keating-wants-family-to-be-left-alone
Such are the dynamics of contemporary American politics … Jewish “farm teams”, successful Jewish-approved political candidates, Jewish control of Congress.
How you characterised my post is the opposite of what I wrote. I specifically excluded minoritarianism.
On the bright side, chaos can be a ladder, the Kurds in Iraq and Syria never had their own state until the Iraqi and Syrian central government weakened due to civil war.
It treats sectarian crimes as worse, yes.
There was a shepherd boy who tended his sheep at the foot of a mountain near a dark forest. It was lonely for him, so he devised a plan to get a little company. He rushed down towards the village calling out “Wolf, Wolf,” and the villagers came out to meet him.
This pleased the boy so much that a few days afterward he tried the same trick, and again the villagers came to his help.
Shortly after this, a wolf actually did come out from the forest. The boy cried out “Wolf, Wolf,” still louder than before. But this time the villagers, who had been fooled twice before, thought the boy was again lying, and nobody came to his aid. So the wolf made a good meal off the boy’s flock.
Constant media guilt-mongering will do that to a population, at least a population of Whites.
When someone does something so evil that we cannot understand it,
Would you include among those somethings the Israeli “price tag” tactic?
Untrue. The object of their attacks is the oppressor, the invader, the occupier.
Considering the popularity of the Trump-Hitler meme it’s surprising that there is no definitive analysis of how many Jewish grandchildren Trump has by matrilineal descent, and how many Warrens of Jewish blood quantum they have.
(note on units: 1 Warren = 1 millihontas = 1/1024 of ancestry)
So are you, Lot, & Jefferson in adjacent cubicles or what?
Citations please?
Richard Spencer is not a white man like us.
Free speech is essential to who we are — and one of the things that differentiate us from other peoples.
And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn’t count
When did he say that?
When one considers the hatred toward whites and toward traditional America promulgated through public education, our universities, Hollywood and the mainstream media it’s amazing that there has been so little reactionary violence.
What about when one considers the inflood of foreigners and the unenforced border?
Cowards choose soft targets.
Actually, I already responded to your duplicated comment elsewhere, but I might as well also do the same here.
Sure, that’s perfectly reasonable. Indeed, the whole reason that many of my articles were so very long is that I wanted to provide a reasonably comprehensive discussion of the background and substantial evidence.
I actually replied rather directly to some of these questions in my ADL column of a couple of weeks ago:
(Various links embedded in the article)
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/
All these prominent scholars and intellectuals, most of them Jewish, seemed like pretty credible people, and I carefully read their various books and articles, which quite impressed me. Perhaps they were all just inventing their factual statements in some sort of bizarre conspiracy, but I really don’t see why.
If you or the ADL or anyone else can find academics of comparable stature to explicitly refute those claims, I’ll be glad to carefully consider that contrary evidence.
He’s the leader of the dork right.
If he’s a Knausgård fan, his one million word manifesto/memoir will turn up shortly.
If for no other reason than to exercise some very important muscles they’ve allowed to atrophy in their unrivaled dominance.
No platform for one’s rivals means no practice for oneself.
Kavanaugh, yes.
So you’re using the SJW-approved definition of alt-right. Does that mean you’re also smearing present company via guilt-by-association? That after all is why they use that definition.
If by alt right you mean populist/nationalist right, it’s been a mixed year for the alt right in the US, and a good year for the alt right in Europe, Quebec and Brazil:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/10/03/quebecs-election-voters-showed-more-interest-far-right-than-separating-canada/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.49fc030c9f5b
http://time.com/5394448/matteo-salvini/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/far-right-candidate-jair-bolsonaro-heading-for-victory-in-brazils-presidential-election-exit-polls.html
Truth, as they say, is often stranger than fiction.
“Constant media guilt-mongering will do that to a population, at least a population of Whites.”
More like Paul Nehlen is too extreme for White America, as he praised the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter which makes him come off as a sociopath.
They probably have dozens or hundreds of them at a time, in various stages of development. If one is about to “go off” and they don’t have a productive use, they probably stage a mental-health intervention or something to avoid making the news.
The thing that gets me is the strange confluence of two headlining events in Broward county, where the sheriff is one Scott Israel. Quite a cohencidence.
Well that’s the interwebs for you. Just remember that ignoring them pours burning coals on their heads and you’ll feel better.
“If by alt right you mean populist/nationalist right, it’s been a mixed year for the alt right in the US, and a good year for the alt right in Europe, Quebec and Brazil:
Jair Bolsonaro and Donald Trump are both Civic Nationalists, not Alt-Right. They both love showing off their Nonwhite supporters at their rallies to prove they are not racists, so the Alt-Right stays losing.
Yes indeed, it was actually the centerpiece of my ADL article from a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/
An absolutely fascinating historical incident, which I only very recently came to properly understand. It totally exploded yet another one of the “facts” I’d never previously questioned in the American history I learned in school.
“So you’re using the SJW-approved definition of alt-right”
I’m using the Alt-Right’s definition of Alt-Right which says if they were to acquire complete power in The U.S even Black Conservatives like Thomas Sowell would be deported back to Africa.
Who are the people who hate us?
Many of us recognize that Muslims have legitimate grievances with the United States and Israel.
Europe for Europeans!
At least we agree on that much.
(You do realize that makes you a nazi, right?)
Yes, it’s well-known that the German Army frequently awarded the Iron Cross for “picking on old people and folks with Down Syndrome” during WWI.
Europe is under the same kind of demographic attack as the USA.
unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric
Such as what?
That is an entirely subjective contention. Sure there are a handful of posters here who espouse Nazi or Nazi-like sentiments. By the same token you can find any number of websites – and even mainstream media outlets and academic journals – that espouse a vitriol against whites (against white gentiles actually although that isn’t made explicit) that, to us, seems every bit as disturbing and enraging.
You want to make special pleas for your people? Fine. I don’t begrudge you that. Their your people. I expect you to take their side. Allow us the same privilege. Or don’t. I really don’t give a damn. But I think white people should damned well stop apologizing and start taking their own damned side in this argument, with or without your leave.
it’s probably from a game – a lot of gamers have verbal tics like that
Whites are now no longer allowed to claim Europe as white. Which fact you surely know – you are just being disingenuous.
So when Indonesia invaded, occupied and killed half a million Christians in Papua , you consider that killing their oppressors ?
When Turki invaded and occupied Cyprus that was also Muslims killing their oppressors ?
Nigeria occupying and killing 2 million Christians in Biafra?
The immigrants are invaders. I don’t know why you would make light of forced demographic and cultural replacement, since it is obviously an explosive issue. I don’t celebrate the shootings, but it doesn’t take a genius to understand why Jews are disliked and distrusted.
Also, how can you compare the crime rates of young Hispanic and White men, when we really don’t know how many Hispanics are in the U.S., or who they are in many cases. The number of young White men and their identities is reliably documented. Throw in the no snitch culture and FBI toying with ethnic identity for crime stats, and I don’t see any way to reliably compare the two groups. Even if you are right, I don’t think I have ever seen a community where changing demographics from majority White to majority Hispanic made for a better place to live, and I don’t hold out any hope that a majority Hispanic nation will be a better place.
No, that was Nikki Haley. The murderous little twerp you mentioned (whose name I refuse to repeat) was in jail at the time, and had no power to do any such thing.
according to globalists in the EU, europe has always been multicultural, there is no such thing as ‘germans’ ‘swedes’ or englishmen, all those places have always been multicultural and anyone who opposes that is racist. … so are you saying you support nationalist movements in Europe?
The alleged shooter sounds like he might be a zionist and just doesn’t realize it.
With all the talk of hate speech in the MSM, what about the Syrians, Iranians, Arabs in general, and Russia? Don’t they get the same hate speech protections afforded to the “semites”?
Won’t hear a peep out of the MSM either about the Palestinian holocaust occurring right now as we speak either. They started bombing Gaza not to long before this shooting occurred.
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-airstrike-kills-three-palestinian-boys-in-gaza/
Gotta love that they keep calling this guy and anyone that speaks out about mass immigration a “white nationalist” when they only want the same things Israel wants. I’m not one of those, I have Mexicans and Injuns in my family and I can assure you they do not wish to kill you white folk. But we all understand illegal immigration is a problem that should be addressed.
Not that shooting up a synagogue will fix anything other than give them an awesome reason to take more of all of our rights away, which always seems to be the solution to everything, and was already happening, before the shooting.
Great deal for the zionists/extremists, which is the main reason they hide behind the Jewish religion. It allows them to take events like this one, the alleged holocaust, and many others, some hoaxes/false flags, and avoid any criticism or direct attention away from their horrible crimes against the Pals/Arabs.
Middle class and poor Americans are hurting, badly, and they feel like they’ve been abandoned by the people that are supposed to be looking out for them and working for the interests of America. People feel like they have no voice in their own country anymore. The Jewish community should look at their leaders, the lobby groups, the ones calling for war 24/7, Neocons, the ones pushing the mass immigration that Americans are clearly against, the ones in the media that are lying to the people. These Jewish leaders need to change their ways or it will continue to cause resentment towards them and to ordinary Jews too. No getting around that unless their behavior changes.
Rachel Corrie or the sailors on the USS Liberty didn’t get any attention for the hate crimes committed against them either. Think the double standard might cause some resentment?
Peace!
Yes, that’s a good point. I forgot about that one.
Simple. Support and advocate for addressing issues that have people feeling upset: mass immigration; censorship; power imbalance; vilification of Whites; discrimination against Whites; subordination to Israel.
Whites were in effect run out of those places. Because they didn’t wan’t to live in cities that had grown dirty, poor, corrupt, and dangerous. It was indeed a slow-motion form of ethnic cleansing.
i am genuinely curious why, with all the muslim terror crimes in the US none have been explicitly directed at jews… which presumable would be the primary target.
I know the media has largely downplayed instances in France, for example, or famously geniueley anti-semtic tweets by Louis Farrakhan…
I don’t discount disproportionate jewish-elite influence in tech, media and banking… so why would they let the latter slide?
Gregg Easterbrook lost half of his income when he got fired from ESPN.com for supposedly anti-Semitic blogging criticizing Quentin Tarantino’s “Kill Bill” at … Marty Peretz’s TNR. Peretz, no shrinking violet in defense of Jewish interests, was fine with what Easterbrook said about how Jewish movie executives should not rush to fund the gore fests of Tarantino (who is not Jewish). Easterbrook is an old member, IIRC, of the Kinsley Klique of talented opinion journalists along with Fallows, Kaus, etc.
But he got fired from his football column at Disney/ESPN for several years. One thing that is striking to me is that I wouldn’t go out of my way to unjustly injure the younger brother of … heavyweight federal judge Frank Easterbrook. But that consideration of prudence didn’t stop Michael Eisner and/or his minions.
Eventually, after Eisner was out (whether coincidentally or not), Easterbrook got his football column back at ESPN.com.
ok, I know people claim ‘false flag’ at every opportunity but…. this is riduculous…
Lie.
Yes, al-Andalusz was oppressing and invading and occupying parts of planet Earth which rightfully belonged to Islam, not the Christians living on it. Ditto Byzantium.
Puh-leese!
In other words, you hold us in contempt, and think of us, essentially, as an enemy. It would be natural for us to recognize that fact. If you call us trash, is there any reason we should not call you “vermin”?
Is your passive-agressive hostility supposed to make us sympathetic to you? Or are you just too narcissistic to notice?
Never mind. I take that back. The proper response to the sentiments you’ve expressed is: F**k you.
“These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.”
Don’t pin these mass shootings on Conservatives, pin them on The Alt-Right and no they are not the same thing.
Easy on the hyperbole G64. If you’ve found material on unz which is tantamount to a call to violence or skinhead style profanities….feel free to enlighten us. There is a fair amount of “crimethink” on this site, but it is only so described as it is articulate yet irritating to powerful advocacy groups.
The best antidote to error is: sunshine, open debate, free speech & civility. There is all of this on Unz.com
The “alt-right” are zionist. They love Israel which is why they want to deport everyone that doesn’t look like them.
In fact I can safely assume that most of them receive money from Israel or folks like Shedon Adelson to push Israels agenda here in America, so Israel isn’t so alone in their apartheid-ish ways.
Same with “the wall” I’m pretty sure that is another slogan being push by Israelis here in US so Israel doesn’t look so bad when they wall themselves in from their neighbors, and the previous land owners.
Trump and the “alt right” are zionist puppets playing with the emotions of frustrated Americans. Nothing more.
Look at some of Jefferson’s comments down thread Apparently, he is not a white man like us.
No it isn’t. It wasn’t. It hasn’t always been.
And something does not become a fact because you baldly assert “that is a fact”.
$0.02 has been deposited to your account.
This guy arguably did not have much freedom of speech, or ability to take his perceived grievances to the public.
Free speech has been greatly curbed over the past 2-3 years. (Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Apple, PayPal etc; not to mention the usual narrow window for speech and discussion at that NYT, Washington Post etc.)
Same reason the english dish “spotted dick” never caught on here.
Hear! Hear!
Define “anti-Semitic.”
You people hold this over gentile Whites like the sword of Damocles. I’m done with it. Jewish leaders want Whites to be minorities in their own lands, and you want us to lie back and take it. I’m sorry some psychopath did something terrible, but the idea that his actions mean that I can’t fight back against the destruction of my people is ridiculous.
Re-think whatever you want. Jews are on forefront of demanding that gentile Whites just lay down and die as a people. No!
Do you deny that Jews are massively overrepresented in those funding groups that want to swamp gentile White countries with non-Whites? If so, you’re a liar.
Good luck trying to work your guilt on blacks or Asians and Indians. They’ll laugh in your face – as they should. The world is changing my friend. The days of hissing anti-semite or racist to shut people up are dying. You overplayed your hand. I’m sure that normies will cower at this latest atrocity, but a growing number of us will not play your game.
In the case of that and any other similar attacks in-question, would you at least concede that the perpetrator (a) was motivated by a desire to kill and/or otherwise harm Jews, and, (b) had expressly targeted Jews?
If you do concede that much, then does it really matter whether or not the casualties turned-out to be Jews? Isn’t the salient point that innocent civilians –whatever their actual religious, racial, ethnic, national, sexual, political or other identity– fell victim to unchecked murderous, psychopathic motivations?
The example that immediately comes to my mind is that of Yankel Rosenbaum, the yeshiva student who was murdered by a mob of blacks during the infamous Crown Heights Riots of 1991. Witnesses have testified to hearing members of the mob chanting and shouting statements in which Jews were explicitly and unequivocally targeted for attack. A little later that fateful summer, in the same Brooklyn, NY neighborhood, a non-Jew named Anthony Graziosi was brutally beaten and stabbed to death by a black mob who had mistaken him for a Hasidic Jew.
If your point were simply that there is no evidence of anything even approaching an epidemic of anti-Jewish violence in the U.S. and that, on the contrary, such incidents are extremely rare here (I would add thankfully, you, I’m not so sure…), I would certainly agree. But clearly, your posts in this thread go way beyond that into belittling, dismissing and denying the gravity of and explicitly stated motivations behind Saturday’s massacre.
The future. Nice and clean.
A blue wave will increase the anti-White rhetoric and policies against Whites. I agree, it is necessary. Time to stop wasting time. Let’s push the ball forward.
They hate Christians. They treat Christians like second class citizens and have cognitive dissonance because the Koran tells them they will be the most successful here in earth while it is the Christians who are powerful. Bhuddism is not in the Koran. Christianity is – as a mistake and an inferior religion. To end the dissonance they seek to kill Christians. Jews as well but Jews are .2% of the world, Western Christians are far more populous and far more powerful.
The guy was a pycho. That’s all.
That said, yes, thing are getting more tense. Might have something to do with the imvasion of the West by other peoples. This will either end in the destruction of Whites as a people or violence on a grand scale. Which do you prefer?
What the hell are you talking about? America isn’t occupying them. If we wanted to we could destroy them 1oo times over. Is Canada occupying them? “Refugee” comes to Canada and immediately begins targeting Canadian sites: https://globalnews.ca/news/4599469/refugee-board-orders-deportation-bc-isis-supporter/
Somewhat OT: the Apu character from the Simpsons is being dropped: https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/the-simpsons-to-drop-character-of-apu-after-racism-debate-20181028-p50chs.html
Well, I am none of those things, but I opened an account on Gab a while back out of curiosity, same as I have with Steem, Minds, Quora, etc.
Mainly, I share photos of retro subjects and history, plus some of my cheesy artwork and selfies. The latter have earned me the enthusiasm of some men and the fury of insecure mean girls and assorted neurotic prigs. All of which mildly amuses me.
But because I have posted some photos of Nazi-era Germany, some believe I am a Nazi sympathizer and I have gained the attention of the 1488 crowd. And because I have also posted that I don’t eat bacon, some believe that I am a Jew and that has also gained me the attention of the 1488 crowd.
I’m not a Nazi-lover and I’m not a Jew (I am, however, a — shudder — vegetarian); in fact, I’m not particularly political at all, but the attentions of these people have been…educational, to say the least. They certainly do make wonderful strangers and I’m endeavoring to keep them that way.
My summary opinion of Gab:
In 2018 over 600 Christian Papuans in occupied Papua have been killed by Muslim Indonesian invaders. Hundreds of Papuan women have been raped. Since Indonesia has been occupying Papua since 1963 , they have killed over half a million Papuans.
Good post.
There’s an error in this chart: it says “nationwide.”
https://postimg.cc/2qtQqxXc
I can see them coming after you and Ron but Steve hasn’t done anything wrong. Are you just playing misery loves company by adding Steve to your pathetic group. I bet we will all have a great laugh when you are exposed and we can compare your reality to your online persona.
See Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Beirut.
Nineties, the attack on Serbia; at one time it and “give Achmed a seat on the bus” were the short explanation of why lefties hated him.
Did Obama’s stepdad Lolo serve in Papua? There’s a vague hint that he never quite recovered from what he saw or had to do there.
I simply want to live among my own people and to be ruled by my own people. I guess that makes me an extremist in the United States, at least according to Mr. Unz.
No, they will come after anyone who discusses the agendas (semi-hidden or overt) of influential Jewish pundits, organisations, politicians and oligopolies. Whether you broach the topic with delicacy, heartfelt nuance or just bluntly, it doesn’t matter. They don’t want certain influence patterns and agendas called out. Period.
False equivalence. Most Blacks would DESTROY nice neighborhoods because of, in part, high time preference and low IQ (which go together). They were ceded nice neighborhoods and turned them into areas which compare to targets of aerial bombing.
Most Whites who live in trailer parks or worse are limited largely by money and would do much more work on upkeep if they had the funds to live in a classier area. A great many Blacks would deliberately destroy the nice things of their neighbors because of general animosity; indeed, when allowed to move by e.g. Section 8 vouchers, they have done so.
Im not sure if it was Papua or East Timor. Both were horrible. Obviously Papua has it far worse as East Timor gained independence.
Indonesia claimed Papuans were savages incapable of self government. They used and still do use rape to terrorize and dehumanize Papuans. They killed cheifs and took photos holding up the corpses as trophies. Publicly displaying the Papuan flag still carries a 20 year sentence. There are mass graves all over Papua and a complete media blackout. Very sad state of affairs that people are so willing to ignore.
Talk honestly about Jewish power in this country and see what that does for your career and life. Then get back to me about the waning of Jewish power.
Jews play for keeps, which is why I respect them.
See my comment above.
Jews haven’t been dehumanized. People are simply finally talking about what Jewish leaders are doing to gentile Whites. That’s not dehumanizing. It’s point out actions and strategies.
How do you think Jews reached this pinnacle on which they stand? By playing nice? No. They got here by fighting and being ruthless. Good for them. You think that they’ll just take your criticism and change their ways?
I know 5-year-olds more mature than you.
That’s the first step to separate nations (and possibly massive violence). You understand that, right?
Cut the man some slack.
–An admirer of both of you
Do you ever pause to wonder why “your people” are increasingly incapable of making anything that can last in today’s higher IQ world? What if “your people” just can’t cut it?
Anti-American freak. I don’t recall occupying Yemen and Palestine or Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Left wing BS. Had the balance of power been different think what they would do to us. They are lucky we are restrained. After 9/11 I would have destroyed Afghanistan with nukes and converted the survivors to Christianity. Ann Coulter has it right.
If they are THAT megalomaniacal and intolerant of criticism, they deserve every bit of hate that’s coming to them… and everything that comes with it.
These ZOG freaks aren’t helping us.
Not much to add after 409 (plus) comments, but:
-Killing innocent people is wrong (obvious but needs to be said), and killing people at worship tends to further decrease any sympathy for your movement, particularly among conservatives. This includes the atheist who attacked the church, Dylan Roof’s attack on the black church, and of course this. Roof’s attack had the opposite effect of what he wanted–destruction of Confederate memorials all over the place and a general attack on the remaining history of the South. Given that this guy’s targets were probably better connected and dislike of Jews in the USA is deeper but also narrower than dislike of blacks (i.e. anti/countersemites are more passionate but also less numerous than people who dislike blacks), I think we are going to see an even bigger backlash.
Frankly, violent attacks really aren’t a good way of getting your point across–they make you the bad guy, and cause everyone to sympathize with your victim. There was at least one large study of protest movements across countries, and they came to the conclusion nonviolent protests are actually more effective–not more moral, more effective–for a variety of reasons. Of course, they won’t work against a totalitarian government, but we’re not there yet.
-While I totally sympathize with Jack D, I’m not sure knocking down the 1st Amendment is a good idea. While I’d hate to be shot at worship, I really, really don’t trust our current government with hate speech laws. (Not that there are many people I would trust, to be honest). The current regime of hate speech laws in Europe has allowed the growth of hostile populations to uncomfortable levels, and that’s in countries with no preexisting diversity issues. You just know these SJWs and diversity commissars are dying to throw random white men in jail for jokes and leers.
-You can criticize George Soros, who gives millions of dollars to promote mass immigration and globalization, Sheldon Adelson, who gives millions of dollars to corrupt the political system to favor a foreign country, Masha Gessen, who seems to want to use the USA to even her scores with straight Christian Russia, or Jennifer Rubin, who dishonestly pretends to be right-wing while basically using her column to fight a rearguard action against populism, without believing in shooting up synagogues.
(Admittedly Adelson’s apparently come around on Trump and no longer necessarily deserves the ire of people here–but a lot of the more anti-Zionist types think he’s a major problem. I actually don’t think Israel’s a particularly evil country–they’ve actually been a lot better than I would expect given their very difficult circumstances, a lot of Arab countries would have turned the Palestinians into lampshades by now–but their interests do diverge from the American on many occasions.
That said, I’d gladly sit down with AIPAC and agree to pledge support for Israel if they threw their support behind immigration restriction. It’s entirely possible that Pres. Trump or someone behind him has actually made this calculation.)
Finally, what the populist right–people holding alt-right-ish views but more moderate, I guess–really needs is more Kris Kobachs and Stephen Millers. You have your general (Trump) and your privates and corporals (Deplorables), but no lieutenants and colonels. The Trump administration is lacking in the Deputy Undersecretary for Internal Affairs–type jobs that actually get all the stuff done in a bureaucracy. We need wormlike men with receding harlines who know every inch of the immigration system and know how to make it work for them. The Democrats have such people, and the corporate right as well, but if Adelson (or Unz) wants to really enact change, they need to fund a think-tank that generates people who can eventually staff a future successor-to-Trump administration and make nationalism work.
(Not me, I’m pushing 40 and stick my foot in my mouth.)
You misspelled American.
White Nationalism is for dorks.
We know his handlers hope so.
Sound like plusses to me.
I don’t like or agree with everything Mr. Sailer has to say, but it’s usually biased in the exact opposite direction as the MSM, which makes it invaluable as a corrective. Read the NYT, read WaPo, read the Atlantic, read National Review, and read Sailer, and you’ll probably have as good a guess as anyone as to what the truth is.
The fact that what he says has a suspicious tendency to wind up in the MSM 2-4 weeks later, often in bowdlerized form (Douthat and Brooks are the worst offenders, though also useful conduits for his thought), gives the pleasure of anticipating the trends one sees elsewhere in the MSM and leads one to suspect that others are reading him too, if only to know the truths they must avoid saying.
If a fair history’s ever written, he must probably be accounted one of the predominant political writers of our time…not that such a fair history is likely to be written, of course. I fully expect the unholy alliance of neoliberalism (global capitalism) and Diversity to win, and to subject field after field of life to disparate impact calculations. Already we are seeing the penetration of the hard sciences. The Romans took in invaders, the Muslims fell to theocracy, and the Chinese turned inward at just the wrong time. No doubt future Chinese mandarins will chortle at the foolishness of our diversity obsession and terror of eugenics as their engineered Aspie scientists leave ours in the dust.
But, hey, we are all lost in the march of history anyway. At least you can go to your grave knowing you read Averroes over al-Ghazali.
And some of you with game can bear children to preserve something in the long night ahead.
I don’t know if this has already been said or not, but when an act of violence is committed, that doesn’t mean the perp is wholly bad/wrong. Nor that the victims are wholly good/right.
When it comes to some people, we seem to have an appreciation for this simple wisdom. But for others, not so much.
What do you mean, “in effect”? Blacks ran Whites out of Detroit by means including firebombing of occupied homes.
Come on, now. Step up and be a man and state your objections to the comments. Your post has the whiff of the usual censorship by blackmail one sees pop up here from time to time.
Which goes to my point, assuming Jews prefer their heads attached to their necks and their skulls hole-free.
No one knows when that night will fall – there were many false dusks in each of your examples, with resurgences that followed. We’re pretty early in our own show for the curtain to fall, so hang in there champ.
“If we are marked to die, we are enough to do our country loss. And if to live — the fewer men the greater share of honour! God’s will I pray thee wish not one man more! Proclaim it through my host: he who hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart. His passport shall be made and crowns for convoy put into his purse. We shall not have that man’s company that fears his fellowship to die with us.”
- Henry V
Ask the White French Haitians, oh yah, I forgot you can’t the blacks exterminated them.
One who is neither violent nor a psychopath, obviously.
“White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.”
Which of this nation’s 50 governors is a White Nationalist?
Also why didn’t White Nationalist Paul Nehlen win The Wisconsin Republican Primary to replace House Speaker Paul Ryan?
The first few minutes of this conversation may help you rearrange the cognitive map that seems to keep routing you to Winston Churchill’s shoeshine stand
“-Killing innocent people is wrong (obvious but needs to be said), and killing people at worship tends to further decrease any sympathy for your movement, particularly among conservatives.”
The Alt-Right are a bunch of Godless Atheists, so they could care less about respecting places of worship. If The Alt-Right was it’s own nation they would have a lower church attendance rate than Sweden.
That’s what The Alt-Right has in common with Antifa and SWPL types, none of them are into religion. The horse shoe theory.
What good could such an aside possibly accomplish?
Let me make it clear for the lazily obtuse:
This is blood libel. Don’t kid yourself that we can’t see it.
A commenter I know from elsewhere made this very accurate observation:
”Now that the center – the American identity as it would have been recognized up to, say, 60 years ago – has been deemed immoral and outdated, everyone is fighting to have their sub-identity become the new boss. Some are fighting to return to 60 years ago.
The media cannot be trusted, and isn’t. It is clearly highly biased at all times in favor of one sub-identity or another.
Social media provides access to alternative info, much of it being at least as fake and biased as what is available on official sources. Yet a lot of it is tailored to appeal to and confirm what is in the heads of the more unhinged elements of society. Even when the alternative media info is accurate, it deepens the sense that the establishment media is deliberately misleading us and that we are under attack.
Many politicians are also issuing bombastic rhetoric that any reasonable person should know would cause the unstable to react violently.
People are adrift in a raging sea of propaganda, angst, uncertainty and threats against their beliefs. The people providing information and leadership are utterly irresponsible and psychopathic in their quest to control our minds and harness us for their own agendas.
There are few apparent good guys; way too few. People need leadership and they need a sense of certainty in life. Somehow that rug has been yanked out from under their feet. I do not understand how that happened, whether by sinister design or by some unchecked natural evolutionary process – probably a mix of both. It is no surprise at all, to me at least, that violence is amping up. IMO, it will get a lot worse. Some strongman leader + followers is going to have to move in and take control, crushing opposition and dissent. I see no alternative at this point.”
I think it likely he is right about needing ‘strong man’…hopefully not a ‘dictator’ but a no nonsense, no bullshitting president who will carry out common sense American interest, domestically and abroad.
If it were clear, it would go without saying. You’ll need to back that one up.
Europeans never really had a conscious identity of being white. They did not have to. So they did not really claim Europe as white. The white identity was invented in American South. Too bad that the Civil war was fought. If the South was let go the complex white-black intricate entanglement possibly would be contained behind the cordon sanitaire.
I can see them coming after you and Ron but Steve hasn’t done anything wrong.
What has Ron “done wrong”, for that matter?
Says the hate filled anti-white bigot.
Are any of those people experts on the Talmud, Judaism or Jewish history? Or are they just prominent Israel critics who found Shahak’s anti-Zionist, anti-Judaism, universalist human rights schtick sympatico and convenient for their own agendas?
You mean his brother who did jail time for fraud and his nephew who bilked investors of 300 million dollars (and was featured with Chelsea in Wikileaks emails about Clinton foundation sketchiness). Obviously, having prominent criminals and Clintons in your family network is a complete qualification for judging arcane historical questions about the Talmud.
Those are weasel words. The controversy is (for the most part) not about Shahak’s “explicit claims” that particular phrases appear in particular editions of specific texts. Granting all of his claims, and leaving aside the total impossibility for most readers to check his assertions about passages in numerous ancient editions of the Talmud, the problem is with Shahak’s interpretations and historical extrapolations from those passages up to the present day. Assessing his truthfulness about those requires a lot more expertise and context beyond the textual citations. It is quite clear, e.g. from Shahak’s Wikipedia entry and the links at Werner Cohn’s web page, that Shahak’s veracity has been challenged on various fronts and there is no reason to take his interpretations at face value without further investigation that few people have the ability to undertake.
The Toaff book, by the way, seemed like a monument of intellectual honesty compared to Shahak and Chomsky. For one thing he uses the recognizable approach of a historian, instead of selections from history as a weapon within a polemical battle. Which again is not to say that (if correct) it does or does not support big-time historical conclusions and a complete reversal of the standard blood libel narrative. That’s a more complex question for which “uh, sounds good to me” doesn’t cut it, especially if the me in question has developed a few decades of motivation to draw certain conclusions.
It’s similar to the discovery of cannibalism about 1000 years ago among some of the Indian tribes in the American Southwest. Politically inconvenient to some, but not necessarily all-important or a sufficient reason to Flip The Script. That would require further information and thought.
Anti-Jewish activist ethnic Jews are pretty rare birds, and of course someone inclined to similar views will be prone to laud the work of such activists (let’s call them “anti-Jewish berserkers”). That doesn’t change the factual question of whether the work is correct, but Unz citing Shamir and Chomsky who cite Shahak as a genius is recursive logrolling by the already convinced.
Do you find it in any way coincidental that you and Chomsky and Shamir and Shahak (and Bobby Fischer) are all male high IQ Jewish nerd “boy genius” STEM types, operating outside their first or second fields of expertise, yet highly prolific and overconfident about sweeping conclusions? It’s almost as if it’s a familiar Jewish pattern. What could possibly go wrong…
I’ve been to some fun ones, although I’m glad they didn’t have camera phones the year I heard that C & C Music Factory song and decided I was a Fly Girl.
Dumbest comment in the entire thread.
Sayoc is OBVIOUSLY not white.
Whites are still the most law abiding group on earth.
99% of political violence is left on right.
(And it’s all over Youtube)
You are so FOS it’s hard to respond.
“according to globalists in the EU, europe has always been multicultural”
Europe is multicultural which is why the continent is not united by 1 common shared language. Does your WASP self understand anything that a Macedonian for example says? Can you have a conversation with a Macedonian in his or her language?
I wasn’t aware that Jews owned Pittsburgh.
It never dawns on them that their GARGANTUAN displays of hubris like this contributes to their being targets .
Jewish leaders told President Trump that he is no longer welcome in Pittsburgh
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/413558-jewish-leaders-say-trumps-not-welcome-in-pittsburgh-until-he
A group of Jewish leaders told President Trump that he is no longer welcome in Pittsburgh until he denounces white nationalism following the shooting at a synagogue there over the weekend.
Eleven members of the Pittsburgh affiliate of Bend the Arc: A Jewish Partnership for Justice penned a letter to Trump following the Saturday shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue.
“Our Jewish community is not the only group you have targeted,” the group wrote. “You have also deliberately undermined the safety of people of color, Muslims, LGBTQ people, and people with disabilities. Yesterday’s massacre is not the first act of terror you incited against a minority group in our country.”
Trump was fiercely criticized after he failed to condemn white supremacy and asserted that there is “blame on both sides” after last year’s white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.
The group also said Trump is not welcome in the city until he also stops targeting minorities, immigrants and refugees.
The president has “spread lies and sowed fear about migrant families in Central America,” the group wrote.
“The Torah teaches that every human being is made b’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God. This means all of us,” the leaders wrote. “In our neighbors, Americans, and people worldwide who have reached out to give our community strength, there we find the image of God.”
They noted how Squirrel Hill, the Pittsburgh neighborhood where the attack took place, was once the neighborhood where children’s television host Fred Rogers lived.
“Here in Mr. Rogers’ neighborhood, we express gratitude for the first responders and for the outpouring of support from our neighbors near and far,” they wrote.
Robert Gregory Bowers, 46, has been arrested and charged with the deaths of 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life Synagogue.
The attack on the synagogue is the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in U.S. history.
Trump condemned the attack as “an assault on humanity.”
“It will require all of us working together to extract the hateful poison of anti-Semitism from our world. This was an anti-Semitic attack at its worst,” Trump said during a rally Saturday night.
He condemned the gunman as a “wacko” who should get the death penalty and suggested that an “armed guard” at the synagogue could have prevented the attack.
The president, however, was criticized on social media Saturday night for tweeting about the World Series game shortly after the shooting took place”
I am not a Trump fan but what the hell more can he say about it then he has already said.
Any day now…frontlash
“Human rights organizations and Palestinian civil rights activists are now worried the Pittsburgh killings will be seized upon and exploited by opponents by framing criticism of Israels hardline policies as antisemitism”
or some such.
Book it.
Heh. Dropping from 90% to 80% white (let alone the your threshold of 50%), especially among the electorate, was already a burgeoning “culture war” accelerator. You, a presumably serious person, are advocating a stance that will be lead to an increasingly chaotic future. If you can’t see how perennial racial strife and culture war are closely intertwined, you’re either blind or bullshitting.
31yo, I often like your comments, but, really, this is not the time or the place. I’ve been very critical of blacks before, but not in the thread about the Charleston shooting.
Totally irrelevant.
Life is full of danger. The mortality rate for each person stands at 100%, AFAICT. If Jews or any other group or individuals are afraid of being physically attacked, they should arm up and be capable fighters.
The question for legitimate and loyal citizens of “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” is: How does one conduct oneself while living? For freedom-loving true Americans, the idea of broadly censoring non-violent legal speech, or banning weapons, is anathema.
Any termite in the US who considers the First Amendment a mere “tradition” should consider emigrating ASAP.
More relevantly, there are powerful Jews in contemporary public life that are actual living “tropes from half a century ago”: Feinstein, Schumer, Bloomberg, Soros, etc, etc, etc. One would think they’d be eager to prove they aren’t ‘usual suspect’ villains, but no, they’re proud to do the opposite. It’s a funny ol’ world.
One important point: isn’t it good that Stephen Miller has the president’s ear in crafting the administration’s response to the propaganda born of this incident? A righteous man.
We will see how it plays out over the next several days. Apparently the Pittsburgh Jewish community has told America’s president that he is “not welcome” in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, until he disavows “white nationalists.”
There are some very stupid comments in this thread. More than usual.
The alt-right isn’t dying. The alt-right is exploding. I’m redpilling every white person I know.
I have never heard anyone on the right advocate violence.
While 99% of political violence is left on right, and I’ve SEEN the clips so you can’t say that I’m lying. The left is both violent and stupid. Most people on the right, white Christian people, believe in the rule of law and abhor violence.
BUT…..if things don’t turn around, and SOON, I can see more people snapping. Not all of our men will react like SkyKing and kill themselves.
Massive immigration must be STOPPED.
Some idiot above said that becoming like Brazil wouldn’t be so bad.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Brazil is a favela HELL.
I’m sorry about the synagogue attack. However, Jewish lives are not worth more than gentile lives.
More blacks are killed in one weekend in Chicago than were killed in that synagogue.
I will fight for both free speech and gun rights, and everyone I know will do the same.
My hope is that the Jewish community will reassess their anti-white social engineering programs and stop trying to WRECK America and all of western civilization. I have never wished for harm to Jewish people, although I despise the ADL, the SPLC, AIPAC, etc.
They are not going to be able to play whack a mole at this point because the awakening is too far along. Whites are waking up exponentially. Whites WILL organize to defend themselves and there is no stopping it. And the more the (((left))) tries to clamp down the WORSE it’s going to be, because the free exchange of ideas promotes a healthy society, while censorship causes discontent to fester into RAGE.
I often wonder why the Jews have not learned anything from being kicked out so many times.
BACK OFF.
For your own good, BACK OFF.
Stop pushing open borders for God’s sake!
What is the point of wrecking the host society?
Grow up and stop being so arrogant and blind.
General Pop would solve a lot of problems. And save money.
A ban on public full-face coverings (besides during carnivals or Halloween) is already the law in many jurisdictions. I think that would cover burkas as well. They can still be free to wear the rest of the getup.
They should have accepted the offer of an armed guard.
Pretty sure Fischer was 7th-day Adventist.
The fallen are Americans. We’re all in mourning here.
We’re also in grave danger of imminently losing the liberties our ancestors have enjoyed for generations, the very liberties which brought many of them to these shores, on the pretext of the incident which is the subject of this thread.
That too is of pressing concern, and that is the context of which he speaks.
Why shouldn’t Ron look at the Jewish question from the opposite perspective even if he’s Jewish?
Look, I’m white. I’m well aware that whites enslaved blacks, and I know for a fact that some of my personal ancestors did it. Yet I can deal with the notion that not all whites are good, including my ancestors. It doesn’t make me freak out and fly into denials that it ever happened.
Now, why do you think Ron is crazy for looking at his own Jewish people that way? Normal, psychologically-well adjusted adults accept the fact that their own kind isn’t always squeaky clean or in the right all the time.
White nationalism attracts too many damaged and dysfunctional people to ever amount to anything.
What about Breivik? Was there any negative political fallout from that much larger massacre?
Yes, the Progress Party (think Nigel Farage or Geert Wilders), which had been leading in the polls, immediately lost over half their support and still to this day haven’t fully recovered.
Not unlike this Bowers guy, Breivik was vehemently opposed to the Progress Party, whom he considered sellout cucks. Not that it did them any good.
Could this incident be looked back upon by history as a modern Harper’s Ferry?
I meant “up to and including in actuality”. Your point is well taken.
No, that is wildly false. The organized Jewish community has all the same goals it had 50 years ago.
Absolutely not. The facts show he deliberately passed over all the available Jewish targets. He was asking people whether they were Jewish, and if they said yes he didn’t shoot.
Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case for a vocal minority ITT.
Announcing that you’re going to kill Jews (or anyone else) is not, should not be, and has never been protected by the First Amendment.
The problem is that the only organizations with enough resources and manpower to find and remove all or at least a nontrivial percentage of such illegal threats are the already-established, and SJW-leftist, social media companies like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. And we know these companies will abuse their reasonable power to remove (and report to authorities, if appropriate) illegal content, to also censor content they disagree with.
The bottom line is it probably isn’t possible to create a viable (or even morally sound) “right-wing Twitter,” for that reason. Silver lining is I’m increasingly convinced that social media breeds insanity, both figuratively and literally. If we can stay saner than the left, that’s a huge advantage.
That’s not how it read to me, but if that were the intended meaning then my apologies.
It’s perfectly possible to have reasoned disagreement about these issues. I don’t think you want that though. The ADL certainly doesn’t want that. The important thing is to maintain the “Jews always good, white goys always bad (except when – and only so long as – they agree that Jews always good)” narrative.
Pitiful.
Manipulation and lack of intelligence. I sense the FBI is behind this. Push a wacko to the edge, encourage him through a mole and you’ve got a killing that not only will support the Narrative, but also fill the SPLC’s coffers.
Not enforced, my friend, not enforced. Also, typically (and certainly for federal Constitutional law purposes), such bans on face coverings apply only to people who cover their faces in facilitation of crime. Originally these laws were drafted to protect people from KKK-style anonymous lynch-mob vigilantism. Now, they certainly apply to Antifa. The places where Antifa operates, like Berkeley, Seattle, NY, and Portland, do not enforce these obviously applicable laws against Antifa (though NY’s corrupt DA is now prosecuting people who defended lawful Republican party guest speakers against Antifa’s attacks).
Any solution? Yes, the Justice Department should fill the gaps in legal enforcement evident in jurisdictions controlled by lawless radicalism.
Fischer’s mother was a practicing Jew (according to Taimanov) and confirmed FBI-monitored Communist, but largely absent. His presumed father and friend of the family was Jewish, and he never met his nominal German father. He wasn’t so much raised secular as not raised at all.
Fischer joined a 7th day Adventist church later in life, and eventually quit. He always had hostile feelings toward Judaism that became full blown exterminationist anti-Semitism as he got older.
Yes, we agree that laws should be enforced if Constitutionally congruent. In the case of burkas in a broad anti-mask jurisdiction, if de facto exemptions are made in deference to religion, some jokesters should further test the law by claiming their own (made-up) religion and wear their own stylized masks, following the example of Pastafarians:
https://www.boston.com/news/omg/2015/11/15/woman-permitted-to-wear-a-colander-in-her-mass-license-photo
I’m not quite sure what you mean: that it’s ridiculous to call this incident a false flag, or that it’s ridiculous to call this incident anything but a false flag…
Really, are you telling me there’s no causal link between violent political rhetoric and political violence??
Good idea, but it won’t fly because certain “historically disadvantaged minorities” have communal rights NOW under which they can loot YT, so all is good under the current arrangement; no need to change.
I am not blaming anyone but the Nazis for the Holocaust. I was responding to Tyrion2′s post which appeared to be asking why recent murders of whites by black racists did not attract more attention. Well, my point was the biggest episode of racial murder in the world was by a white supremacist political organisation which believed Jews were treacherous (among other things) and had to be eliminated for the good of the volk. So if another white supremacist who hates Jews comes along and racks up a double-digit death toll in a synagogue that is going to be a bigger story. I doubt anyone believes American blacks are going to embark on a program of targeted killings of whites. Up to the day of the shooting most anti-Jewish animus in the US consisted of keyboard venting. Hopefully this was a one-off and won’t inspire copycat killers looking to become celebrities.
No, I don’t. See my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears, thanks.
Hi Colin, see my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears.
You have avoided answering my question in the affirmative. To repeat the question:
You responded, “Sure, that’s perfectly reasonable” and then proceeded to cite yourself saying:
Your answer to my question above is apparently ‘no’. And you apply the circular reasoning that you can rely on the eccentric chemist Shahak, along with his Israel hating ideological allies, to establish the credibility of Shahak?
If you believe that Jew’s worship Satan, why do you not simply read through the Jewish text used for religious worship, a prayer book, to see if you can find any evidence of this? After all, such a claim would seem to be quite dramatic. Why not validate it by checking an easily accessible resource? Wouldn’t that seem to be equally “perfectly reasonable,” as you say?
Can you see how fair minded observers would question your motivations and your willingness to apply common sense judgement on matters related to Jews and Judaism?
P.S. Since you were apparently raised with a Jewish identity in some form and have attended synagogue, do you recall seeing or hearing of Satan worship at any point? If not, why not?
P.P.S. All primary Jewish religious texts in Aramaic and Hebrew are easily accessible online in English. Claiming ignorance of Aramaic and Hebrew as reason to rely on Shahak’s writings and translations in English does not add up.
That’s a great quote to describe exactly what has been going on since Trump took office in 2016. Every weapon of the deep state has been on full display 24/7 nonstop. The only reason they’ve stopped short of assassination so far is because it would be too obvious at this point. That really would trigger a violent civil war imo.
Yes it does.
Jack,
Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.
As a fellow proud to belong to a supposed culture of critique I, like an outsized number of my ethnics, am drawn to engage with people who are willing to openly doubt the reigning consensus while also being somewhat intelligent and rational. That’s why, and you, are interested in reading Steve — despite the fact that a solid 20% of his commentariot believe the same things that Bowers does about Da Jooz. (And it’s kept down to 20% because about 30% of Steve’s commentators are themselves at least 1/4 Jewish or have one as a close blood relative. Can you imagine how dumb the comment thread here would be without the Jews around here keeping it ever so slightly above sanity level??)
And I disagree with what you are suggesting Jack
FREE THOUGHT AND FREE SPEECH has to be weighed against its alternative, just like democracy must be weighed against its alternative.
We worship at the altar of free speech not because all speech is good or because none of it is pernicious but because holding the God of Free Speech above all other gods means that rationality and wisdom and goodness have a way back in to the door.
The !RonPaul¡ autists think that free speech will always, as a law of nature, bring about the best results.
Horseshit.
If we had the ability to shut the mouths and unplug the keyboards of every bad or stupid person the world would be a lot better for it.
But who are the bad and the stupid?
Yes, you and I and 80% of the locals can agree on most of who the Undoubtedly Bad Or Stupid are but even if you are in charge today, if you set a precedent allowing for that sort of power of censorship, then who will be in charge tomorrow?
The Supreme Court erred on the side of Free Speech when they let that family of moron lawyers continue to shout “God Hates Fags!” at the funerals of our military men and when they decided that photographic pornography was some sort of speech and when they allowed neo nazis to march through a neighborhood of Jewish Holocaust Survivors in Skokie.
I’m sure each and every member of The Court did not agree with the religious teachings of that moron from kansas but they feared that any curtailing of certain freedoms (see also: Bill of Rights) today will be used without any chance of successful opposition by TPTB tomorrow.
The 4th Amendment is already dead and buried. The 2nd Amendment has morphed into something wholly different than it was intended to be (“a local bullet-backed check on the power of the government” duh).
But the principles of the 1st Amendment ought to remain enshrined. Heck, I would expand them back to allowing for open calls for revolution. People have suffered and some have died because of Free Speech. Many many many more suffer and die where there is no free speech.
=====
Addendum: If you were addressing yourself to the jew-hating commentators themselves, you can not convince a pig not to be a pig and to have pig thoughts and to believe that pig thoughts are glorious and true and ought to be believed by one an all.
What I myself have done however is to address myself to Steve himself, in both public and private, on the following two points, the first of which isn’t relative to the one you raised but I’ll repeat it anyway.
A. The ideas and analyses and truths that he brings to the fore (not to mention often brilliant writing) are beyond question. What IS in question however is whether he isn’t also [MAINLY INADVERTENTLY] providing a distorted picture of reality to the vast vast majority of his readers and also doing them quite a bit of harm. [Let me hasten to add that he is also doing them good by entertaining them, informing them, having their back with data and his culture of critique, and - last but DEFINITELY NOT LEAST - by influencing policy through having his ideas and analyses and knowledge read by people like Steve Miller and Ann Coulter and (at some point anyway) Steven Pinker and other more publicly accepted academics.] A goodly amount of his readers and commentators however end up believing in an incredibly distorted version of A. Things like “Black People” and “Yale University” and B. The World and Life. And thus they end up misengaging with many things and, far far worse they end up FEELING less happy and more defeated. . . My suggestion to Steve regarding that second point (and bo doubt it would do a whole lot of good for Steve himself too) is to have an Isteve Sabbath where he can turn his unique and absolutely extraordinary personality and skills toward information that is uplifting. I don’t mean pseudo-science and I don’t mean shmaltz and I don’t mean pro-citizenism good news or pinkeresque graphs about a millennium long decline in infant mortality. I mean….well, it isn’t for me to say. Steve is a Great Man of a unique and rare sort, what his Weekend or Wednesday posts will look like when he legitimately and unsardonically looks at life is as yet unknown. To me and perhaps to him. But Steve is no old dog and creating happiness is no new trick. The world will be a whole heckuva lot improved if Isteve went inspirational one day a week. Because, you know what? Damn, this world is fine!
B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incresibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz [where there are serious, ron unz supported, articles claiming that Jews actually used christian blood in their matzahs and faked the holocaust -- As for Hebraic Ron himself...Ron, you need to watch "A Beautiful Mind". I realize that for a man with an ego as large as yours, you aren't likely to look for help but you are also about as fair-minded a man as can exist. You LOVE truth. Well, prove it. Is there a drug (and yes, it must be a drug or some surgery I am unaware of, no book by Mencken or Aristotle will do it, don't fool yourself!), so, is there a drug that can help you distinguish between patterns that point to something real and patterns that are noise your brain is amplifying in the hope of it pointing to something real and new and maybe even shhhhh forbidden? I don't know if you love truth more than you fear recognizing that there is a bug in your computer system. I hope so. It will probably improve your happiness in the immediate and in the long term to recognize this and people like Greg, Razib, Steve and many others will once again respect you AS MUCH AS THEY WISH THEY COULD. Because there is a lot to respect. It's just that your servings of creme brulee have a significant sized ball of fecal matter peeking through the crust, which makes the rest of the delicious dessert a bit harder to enjoy.]
Back to Steve. ÷ B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incredibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz.
I have things to do so I will have to keep the rest to shorthand.
The skewed picture of the Jews that many people here have (and if you are reading this you are not one of those people I am referring to) is that Jews more or less all work together promoting and helping each other at the expense of non-jews and that the only reason they are not yet running the whole world is because all they have is tribalism and a complete lack of ethics and maybe a few extra iq points, and so far that has not been enough. But, left unchecked, “The Jews”, for reasons either magical or evolutionary, will continue to cause all of the wars in the world and to enslave all of its people for themselves.
The majority of the truth however (and just the majority of it, the pareto principle if you will) is so simple it can be stated in a small sentence that is insanely easy to understand and for every confused reader of Steve’s to wrap his head around. His ego however is likely to be far less stretchy. “Regarding attainment to the higher classes in various fields, as Blacks are to Whites, Whites are to Jews. And within those classes, people primarily act similar to other members of their class.” This is not The Whole Of The Law but it explains the lions share, including why Blacks think there is a Conspiracy by Whites and Whites think there’s a Conspriacy by Jews, etc.
Gotta go. Be happy, be sweet, have fun and have a great day
Moshe
Jack,
Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.
As a fellow proud to belong to a supposed culture of critique I, like an outsized number of my ethnics, am drawn to engage with people who are willing to openly doubt the reigning consensus while also being somewhat intelligent and rational. That’s why, and you, are interested in reading Steve — despite the fact that a solid 20% of his commentariot believe the same things that Bowers does about Da Jooz. (And it’s kept down to 20% because about 30% of Steve’s commentators are themselves at least 1/4 Jewish or have one as a close blood relative. Can you imagine how dumb the comment thread here would be without the Jews around here keeping it ever so slightly above sanity level??)
And I disagree with what you are suggesting Jack
FREE THOUGHT AND FREE SPEECH has to be weighed against its alternative, just like democracy must be weighed against its alternative.
We worship at the altar of free speech not because all speech is good or because none of it is pernicious but because holding the God of Free Speech above all other gods means that rationality and wisdom and goodness have a way back in to the door.
The !RonPaul¡ autists think that free speech will always, as a law of nature, bring about the best results.
Horseshit.
If we had the ability to shut the mouths and unplug the keyboards of every bad or stupid person the world would be a lot better for it.
But who are the bad and the stupid?
Yes, you and I and 80% of the locals can agree on most of who the Undoubtedly Bad Or Stupid are but even if you are in charge today, if you set a precedent allowing for that sort of power of censorship, then who will be in charge tomorrow?
The Supreme Court erred on the side of Free Speech when they let that family of moron lawyers continue to shout “God Hates Fags!” at the funerals of our military men and when they decided that photographic pornography was some sort of speech and when they allowed neo nazis to march through a neighborhood of Jewish Holocaust Survivors in Skokie.
I’m sure each and every member of The Court did not agree with the religious teachings of that moron from kansas but they feared that any curtailing of certain freedoms (see also: Bill of Rights) today will be used without any chance of successful opposition by TPTB tomorrow.
The 4th Amendment is already dead and buried. The 2nd Amendment has morphed into something wholly different than it was intended to be (“a local bullet-backed check on the power of the government” duh).
But the principles of the 1st Amendment ought to remain enshrined. Heck, I would expand them back to allowing for open calls for revolution. People have suffered and some have died because of Free Speech. Many many many more suffer and die where there is no free speech.
=====
Addendum: If you were addressing yourself to the jew-hating commentators themselves, you can not convince a pig not to be a pig and to have pig thoughts and to believe that pig thoughts are glorious and true and ought to be believed by one an all.
What I myself have done however is to address myself to Steve himself, in both public and private, on the following two points, the first of which isn’t relative to the one you raised but I’ll repeat it anyway.
A. The ideas and analyses and truths that he brings to the fore (not to mention often brilliant writing) are beyond question. What IS in question however is whether he isn’t also [MAINLY INADVERTENTLY] providing a distorted picture of reality to the vast vast majority of his readers and also doing them quite a bit of harm. [Let me hasten to add that he is also doing them good by entertaining them, informing them, having their back with data and his culture of critique, and - last but DEFINITELY NOT LEAST - by influencing policy through having his ideas and analyses and knowledge read by people like Steve Miller and Ann Coulter and (at some point anyway) Steven Pinker and other more publicly accepted academics.] A goodly amount of his readers and commentators however end up believing in an incredibly distorted version of A. Things like “Black People” and “Yale University” and B. The World and Life. And thus they end up misengaging with many things and, far far worse they end up FEELING less happy and more defeated. . . My suggestion to Steve regarding that second point (and bo doubt it would do a whole lot of good for Steve himself too) is to have an Isteve Sabbath where he can turn his unique and absolutely extraordinary personality and skills toward information that is uplifting. I don’t mean pseudo-science and I don’t mean shmaltz and I don’t mean pro-citizenism good news or pinkeresque graphs about a millennium long decline in infant mortality. I mean….well, it isn’t for me to say. Steve is a Great Man of a unique and rare sort, what his Weekend or Wednesday posts will look like when he legitimately and unsardonically looks at life is as yet unknown. To me and perhaps to him. But Steve is no old dog and creating happiness is no new trick. The world will be a whole heckuva lot improved if Isteve went inspirational one day a week. Because, you know what? Damn, this world is fine!
B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incresibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz [where there are serious, ron unz supported, articles claiming that Jews actually used christian blood in their matzahs and faked the holocaust -- As for Hebraic Ron himself...Ron, you need to watch "A Beautiful Mind". I realize that for a man with an ego as large as yours, you aren't likely to look for help but you are also about as fair-minded a man as can exist. You LOVE truth. Well, prove it. Is there a drug (and yes, it must be a drug or some surgery I am unaware of, no book by Mencken or Aristotle will do it, don't fool yourself!), so, is there a drug that can help you distinguish between patterns that point to something real and patterns that are noise your brain is amplifying in the hope of it pointing to something real and new and maybe even shhhhh forbidden? I don't know if you love truth more than you fear recognizing that there is a bug in your computer system. I hope so. It will probably improve your happiness in the immediate and in the long term to recognize this and people like Greg, Razib, Steve and many others will once again respect you AS MUCH AS THEY WISH THEY COULD. Because there is a lot to respect. It's just that your servings of creme brulee have a significant sized ball of fecal matter peeking through the crust, which makes the rest of the delicious dessert a bit harder to enjoy.]
Back to Steve. ÷ B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incredibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz.
I have things to do so I will have to keep the rest to shorthand.
The skewed picture of the Jews that many people here have (and if you are reading this you are not one of those people I am referring to) is that Jews more or less all work together promoting and helping each other at the expense of non-jews and that the only reason they are not yet running the whole world is because all they have is tribalism and a complete lack of ethics and maybe a few extra iq points, and so far that has not been enough. But, left unchecked, “The Jews”, for reasons either magical or evolutionary, will continue to cause all of the wars in the world and to enslave all of its people for themselves.
The majority of the truth however (and just the majority of it, the pareto principle if you will) is so simple it can be stated in a small sentence that is insanely easy to understand and for every confused reader of Steve’s to wrap his head around. His ego however is likely to be far less stretchy. “Regarding attainment to the higher classes in various fields, as Blacks are to Whites, Whites are to Jews. And within those classes, people primarily act similar to other members of their class.” This is not The Whole Of The Law but it explains the lions share, including why Blacks think there is a Conspiracy by Whites and Whites think there’s a Conspriacy by Jews, etc.
Gotta go. Be happy, be sweet, have fun and have a great day
Moshe
“A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics.”
It has been a huge success for the left to associate any pro-white / anti-immigration position with authoritarian aka “masculine” politics.
X, Y and Z are very much alike. They are all political statements and are used by the left and MSM, but I repeat myself, to casting aspersions on Trump supporters…..really!
All three had the stench of terrorism. The Kavanaugh circus was definitely a conspiracy by the Liberals.
Should read cast aspersions….
All three things listed happened for a purpose.
Yeah, I’m troubled by my own reactions to this incident. Pretty much I’m ashamed I feel a trace of human sympathy for the alleged shooter Bowers, because he did bootstrap his shooting with a reference to “displacement immigration”, a truly odious policy cooked up by our overlords. Maybe Bowers is a genuinely disempowered, disenfranchised White guy, the type we talk about here.
The other part of me is big-time pissed at Bowers’s misdeed because he’s tainted by association the principled and well-argued opposition to “displacement immigration” that you routinely find on this site and probably elsewhere.
But, yes, if one regards “climate of opinion” arguments as having some explanatory power, then the Left, our corporate handlers, religious groups, and so on ought to be publicly scolded for institutional behaviors that, frankly, disempower people and pit groups against one another.
Bowers need to be vigorously prosecuted, and the anti-”displacement immigration” folks need to get back into the fray with their good political arguments.
I totally agree any other country would have descended into a civil war.
Big Bill!
You made me smile just now, quoting Jabotinsky.
By the way, I don’t know to what degree you know the context or not but he essentially saw the mass murder of European Jewry coming fast and hard so while he first attempted his preferred solution of Zionism, when he saw that the British weren’t quick to follow through on their deal and that the more official Jewish Zionist leadership didn’t want to lose their standing by forcing the issue, he switched to just trying to get Jews to leave Europe or at least to learn to shoot.
I met a guy in Johannesburg who was born around 1930 in Lithuania (I think Lithuania, it could have been Poland) and he told me that he and his family lived because his father heard Jabo speak in his city and that small man was hoarse, shouting, “YIDDEN! Loif fun du. Freg mit nisht voo un freg mir nisht vee uber loif afilu BURFOOS!”
And his father along with a couple of friends were one of the very few who took him seriously. They sought visas everywhere and took the first one that came in and moved to south africa. To this day that man Oscar K, keeps a picture of Jabo up on bis wall even though he and his family are super religious and Jabo didn’t even fast on Yom Kippur.
Anyway, it’s nice to see Jabo quoted. Made me happy. Thanks.
The center and a nearby school recently had active-shooter drills
LOL
No Jews were killed in that attack, only a Filiilipino man. However, Jews were shot, but not killed.
“Shabbatai Tzvi enthroned.”
Institution: The Amsterdam Jewish publication Tikkun depicts Shabbatai Tzvi crowned as the messiah. Amsterdam, 1666
Do anti-white people feel bad when innocent whites are victimized? Of course not. So why lose sleep over what Bowers did?
When conservatives and/or whites are the target of violence, leftists always manage to put most of the blame at the feet of the victims. Why shouldn’t we emulate that?
A quite potent mix of Jewish arrogance and delirium on display in this post.
‘Anti-semites’ would indeed be pretty nutty if they believed that. Fortunately (or unfortunately, for you?), most do not believe anything like that.
Instead, most simply believe that organized Jewry is politically powerful and culturally influential, and that the way they wield this power and influence makes them a ‘hostile elite’ – ie hostile to the best of interests of whites and Christians. So when you get down to it, ‘anti-semitism’ is really a complaint about Jewish hypocrisy and double standards, rather than about Jewish power and influence per se.
Except there aren’t actually many. That part is made up.
As for political violence, I’ve long predicted it, if other methods fail, but never thought it was the best way to get what we want. Fact is, the preconditions for violent revolution are the same as the preconditions for non-violent revolution, and non-violent revolutions are much more pleasant. This has been a consistent position of mine for like 15 years, here and elsewhere.
P.S., the occasional outburst of violence is not a violent revolution, and doesn’t have the effect of one.
Because the upswing isn’t to that point yet.
Duh.
Familiarize yourself with the idea of a preference cascade. In the case of White Nationalism, it’s going to be a particularly hard and fast cascade, because there’s so much headwind.
Headwind that is no longer sufficient to prevent WNism from building momentum under the radar.
One day, WNism will still be taboo, a silent preference, and the next it will be an open preference, because the taboo will no longer be effectively enforced.
This is how leftists took power, btw; very few of them were open socialists, communists, anti-white racists, etc.
In retrospect, this comment is in poor taste.
Keep telling yourself that.
Corvinus thinks highly of him:
http://www.unz.com/article/unless-the-gop-learns-to-handle-anti-white-race-baiting-attacks-its-done-and-so-is-the-historic-american-nation/#comment-2514184
I read a bio of Jabotinsky not too long ago. He never could learn Hebrew refering to “those damned square letters.” As pointed out he could read the writing on the wall of Hitler’s ascension. As a puzzle, the commenter quotes him saying ““YIDDEN! Loif fun du. Freg mit nisht voo un freg mir nisht vee uber loif afilu BURFOOS!” How is this to be translated? “Jews! something for yourself. Ask yourself not a question something but ask something something something!” is as far as I can make out.
Who knows his intended meaning? He’s still wet behind the years.
Agree with your take. If Unz gets the axe I’ll be able to catch up on my stacks of books that have gotten crowded out and get my twins outdoors more, so maybe all to the best.
Not possible unless the North had forbidden Africans to live there, and we already know that the erroneous ideas and consequent sympathies of the abolitionists would have led them to throw their arms open to every “oppressed person” who made it to the border. The result would have been similar, because the leopard cannot change his spots.
No, because the GOP and whites don’t seem to have control of the media megaphone.
What counts more is who, whom in the media, rather than the who whom of the atrocity itself.
And the conclusions involve literally libeling your own race. White nationalist types usually point admiringly to Israel (not 100% truthfully) as a country whose leadership and intellectual class is aligned with the majority, but the above group fall into the category of “self-hating Jews”. There must be something in that high IQ spergy formula (we see this with self-hating white academics to) that causes them to want to distance themselves from their own people and accuse them of horrendous crimes, etc. , which in effect if not necessarily in intent, gives aid and comfort to the enemies of their own people. Many cybernetisists thing that once the AI robots take over the first thing they are going to want to do is get rid of all those horrible humans who made them – maybe this the same impulse. I don’t know, but it’s an identifiable pattern or syndrome.
For those who don’t read Yiddish (or Moshe’s somewhat unofficial transliteration), Jabotinsky was saying, “JEWS! Run away from here. Don’t ask me how and don’t ask me where but run even if you have to do it BAREFOOT!”
This was good advice. I wish my parents had heard it and taken it. No one then could foresee that Hitler would turn to outright extermination but between Hitler and Stalin there was clearly nothing good in store for the Jews of Eastern Europe.
I don’t know what the history is but for some reason every S. African Jew I have ever met is Lithuanian.
And there was a 2017 church shooting in Antioch, Tennessee. There were eight people shot, “only” one died, as the Sudanese “immigrant” killer was (apparently) a poor shot.
This one is slowly winding its way through the system under the usual news blackout. BTW, the killer said he did it to avenge the Charleston shooting.
i dunno – i can see that with the magabomber as a) making retard bombs and b) having the agency to send them to 12 different locations seems unlikely – plus the van etc
but with the shooter i think people need to remember that for years the most common cause of death for white dudes has been suicide (completely ignored by the media of course) so in the context of the media’s anti-white hysteria we may be seeing the start of a trend of political suicides (like #skyking) including a lot of suicide by cop political kamikazes.
What special plea?
Yes, I understand your point, and it’s valid to a degree.
That said, there have plenty of ethnic massacres since WWII on a massive scale. The Rwandian genocide comes to mind, and, of course, you had the Balkans. Let’s not forget the Holodomor, which, admittedly, was slightly before the Jewish Holocaust.
So let’s not act as though the Jewish Holocaust was such an outlier. It simply gets all of the press because Jews own and/or manage much of the media. Btw, it’s understandable that Jews want this episode remembered. I would too if I was Jewish.
However, you hint at a point that I’ve made for year. Many Jews – and especially Jewish leaders – have a unique fear of gentile Whites. There is a belief that lurking behind every smiling gentile White face is a Nazi. Sure, Bob, seems like a nice guy and probably is, but he’s just one good propaganda film away from putting me a camp in Ohio. It’s why Jewish leaders want to flood gentile White countries with 3rd worlders. Jews can never be safe around gentile Whites, they believe.
From their perspective, gentile Whites are the only group capable and willing to organize and implement such a plan. Blacks and Muslims might be willing to carrying out such a plan, but, let’s face it, they can’t organize a luncheon much less a holocaust. NE Asians are capable but have no bad history with Jews.
It seems that a large segment of Jews – and, again, especially, Jewish leaders – will simply never trust gentile Whites and that is a major reason why this espisode will get some much play. This massacre will be used to show normie Jews that gentile Whites can’t be trusted and to will lead to bring pressure on any group or platform that allows Whites to discuss issues of White identity. (You’ll notice that Gab has been shut down.)
I wholeheartedly agree with you that I hope this doesn’t lead to copy-cat killers, but I also hope that it doesn’t lead Jewish leader to push even harder against my people. The shutting down of Gab shows that I’m too late in that latter hope.
the media is currently full of screeching journalists saying
1) diversity and open borders is good
2) promoting diversity and open borders is good
and
3) anyone who says Soros promotes diversity and open borders should be destroyed by the media
In the story I read as a kid (or rather, had read to me) the wolf ate the boy.
Wikipedia confirms my recollection. The English re-wrote Aesop’s fable that way in Victorian times.
did anything happen between 1917 and 1930 that might lead to Jews being blamed collectively for what the Bolsheviks did?
Fake News.
I can see why the purveyers of said fake news would purvey it. What’s your excuse for reading and repeating it?
First of all, Moshe, you can be sure that this will be taken as more evidence of Jewish condescension by many non-Jews – “Jews think of us as if we were Negroes”.
2nd, while it might be true or close to true in terms of IQ gap, the relative size of the white vs. black population in the US is opposite to the ratio of Jews vs. non-Jews. So, for example, we see that going just by IQ proxy numbers such as SATs, blacks would only make up 1% of the Harvard class (and in even more g loaded fields such as Fields Medal winners, blacks are completely absent). OTOH, there are 40 or 50x as many non- Jewish whites as Jews in the US, so even if Jews have a shifted average IQ vs. non-Jews, that is only good for, at absolute best, let’s say a 10x over-representation in high IQ fields, which gets the Jews up to say 20% or so, meaning that 80% of the high achievers in even the most g loaded fields will be non-Jewish. Quantity has its own quality – a club that is 80% non-Jewish/20% Jewish will have a differ dynamic that a club that is 99% white/1% black.
Now, not to put words in your mouth, but I think I understand what you are saying to some extent. If you are one of the relative losers in American life, whether it is Bowers or his black equivalent, you are surrounded by people who have so much more than you have. Naturally, no human wants to point to his own shortcomings to explain their humble circumstances so thoughts naturally turn to the possibility that third parties are the cause of his misery. The group that has more than you have, by reason of their superior IQ, is a natural target. You don’t see at as a result of their higher IQ but as being the result of their stealing from you what is rightfully yours. This dynamic exists even in places where there are no whites or Jews – in parts of Asia, overseas Chinese play the part of the Jews and the locals resent them instead.
In 1193, Nalanda University in India was sacked by Bakhtiyar Khilji, a Turkic general eager to please his Muslim invader king. It was the greatest of the ancient universities of India and the major seat of Buddhist learning in India. The library, according to contemporary accounts, had tens of thousands of manuscripts.
The legend is that Khilji, when considering what to do with the kafr seat of learning he had captured, inquired whether the library had a single copy of the Koran. When informed that it had none, he sacked the place.
The Persian historian Minhaj-i-Siraj reported that thousands of monks were burned alive or beheaded, and that the library burned for several months.
“There must be something in that high IQ spergy formula (we see this with self-hating white academics to) that causes them to want to distance themselves from their own people and accuse them of horrendous crimes, etc. , which in effect if not necessarily in intent, gives aid and comfort to the enemies of their own people. “
Come on. The striking thing is how few such people there are, not how many.
“we see this with self-hating white academics too”
Who are by comparison as numberless as the grains of sand on the seashore, and also give aid and comfort to the enemies of their own people.
Perhaps Jewish self deception due to their superior intelligence is constructed so cleverly that it is almost iron clad, so only the very high IQ Jews are able to see through it and break away from it. In contrast to the self serving Jews the self hating Jews actually may represent the highest form of altruism Jews could achieve but unfortunately most of Jews are not smart enough to even aspire to it.
“Market-dominant minorities” – see Chinese in Malaya and Indonesia, Indians (dot) and Lebanese Christians in Africa.
The burning of the monasteries was only a culmination. Buddhism had lost popular support in India and had been in decline for centuries before the final blow was struck. The monasteries continued to exist because of elite (royal) support but the people no longer gave a damn about them and offered no defense when the invaders came. The monasteries had long ago turned away from the traditional forms of Buddhism and had turned to practices involving secret rituals and magic.
Elite institutions in the long run can only exist if they have the support of the people and not just the elites. Elite institutions have a natural tendency to turn to increasingly obscure and esoteric navel gazing because sperginess tends to spiral you down that rabbit hole.
I was wondering if the synagogue in Philly had already tried to “harden” their facility with
government funding
http://www.jcrcny.org/security-landing/
That must be where the Indians stored all their zeroes, naughts, and nils. Fortunately, a few survived and were smuggled out by ship to Europe.
You and me both.
You do realize that in doing that you resemble to a disturbing degree the very people you are criticizing, right? And there is a very serious slippery slope problem with your rhetoric. At some point “ones who even Goebbels would have thought were sickening lunatics” seems to turn into anyone who says something a Jew does not like. Those aren’t the same and the endless motte and bailey games between the two extremes coming from so many of the anti-anti-Semites are a problem.
Source? Your use of strawmen is a good clue not to take what you write seriously.
What’s the libel?
Never forget:
Sure they did. Sure there was a library.
Do you think that is a Jewish thing specifically or just an extremely high IQ thing? Isaac Newton and Linus Pauling (though I happen to think there is more truth than otherwise in his vitamin C work, but that’s another conversation) come to mind.
I think the phenomenon is often seen on a lesser scale with some PhDs who seem to think that degree means they know everything about everything.
We tend to be Bayesians and if one is right the vast majority of the time (and capable specialists who hyperfocus in an area can experience this) it is easy to always conclude one is right with high probability.
This John Nash quote seems appropriate.
P.S. I would expect Jews to be overrepresented here because of their overrepresentation in the right tail of IQ. But I don’t think the phenomenon is uniquely Jewish and presenting it as such is counterproductive IMHO.
Always the impulse to control what the goyim think. Always the attitude that they cannot be trusted with information.
How much of criticism of Jews is due to censorship by Jews versus how much is due to free speech?
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Entryists that crap on the buffet– which, if your handle is anything to go by, feels like an accurate presumption– do not get to take credit for the prime rib that was already there.
It’s an open question whether Zionism, especially Zabotinsky’s “muscular” and chauvinistic version of it, was itself a causal factor leading to the Holocaust. Hitler cited it as evidence that Jews were a separate nation, not part of the body politic.
Crediting Jabotinsky with supposed “foresight”, therefore, may be giving undue credit to what was in fact a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you yelled to the four winds that your neighbors are dangerous and cannot be trusted, and that as between you, you were not really neighbors or countrymen, how would your neighbors come to view you?
They’re exulting in murder. I’m not the one with my moral compass screwed.
Why don’t we spend some time looking at what Bowers was upset about. If any of his grievances are reasonable (his act was not), then perhaps we could lower societal tensions by trying to address them?
In fact, they’ll come after the moderate and intelligent ones that much harder – they represent a much bigger threat, as opposed to the crazy spergs who everyone just laughs off.
Please cite evidence for this claim. Based on what I have read here, it appears to be a libel.
It seems to me there are two things going on here.
1. High IQ and very capable (i.e not just high IQ but crazy) person goes off the rails in a second or third field after great success in his (any female examples?) primary field. I mentioned I don’t think this is mostly a Jewish thing in my reply to academic gossip.
2. Person turns vehemently against their own group. I don’t think this is restricted to either high IQ or Jews. It is just that both of those groups are disproportionately able to cause damage.
What do you think?
P.S. I should be clear I am discussing this in the abstract. Regarding Ron’s recent controversial work specifically I have not delved into it enough to make a final judgment, but he does seem to have some good arguments. I am not sure it is helpful to go there though and worry about the future of the Unz Review as collateral damage if the Eye of Sauron does alight there.
Have I missed the exulting in murder here? I get that people say some pretty extreme things here and if they were directed at my group (say in the way the MSM targets whites) I would be upset. But overstating what is actually written and then tarring all of us with the same brush is a bit much.
” Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.”
I hope that Steve Sailer will keep his filter on for you. Probably because his white goy guilt after the tragedy he let you in this time.
Is it wrong to criticize “one’s own group”? They way you have couched this gives legitimacy to such a viewpoint. “Turns against”, “vehemently”, “their own group” is all phrasing that tends to delegitimize critics.
Oh wow, you’re not kidding. Looked him up, had a general impression he was eccentric, but the guy’s picture could have been in half the DSM.
It’s true. Ron is one of the good guys. Nothing but tremendous respect for him. Just disagree occasionally.
Any such WN momentum can be limited or neutralized by getting Whites to mix with other groups or getting them to simply not reproduce. There is a race afoot to head off WN in these manners.
Baby naming ceremony is for little girls. Boys have a circumcision. Idiot.
Here’s an idea, to solve all of this millenia old pesky Jew-gentile conflict for good.
Or to otherwise bring it to full light so that it can be sufficiently perceived and dealt with:
The anti-Jewish gentile-contingent believes that Jews believe in ideals and goals that are hostile to their existence.
That’s about as succinct of a one line summary that you will find on their perspective.
Jews label this accusation as conspiracy, and thus historically have avoided meaningful full-context discussion of the matter that includes what their texts specifically say.
Doing so enables an escape from the normal process of social resolution in a multicultural society, and after time the conflict explodes into violence.
Rinse and repeat, on a regular historical basis.
Jewish belief has never been one that is open for inspection by the general public, in full. It has always been kept for Rabbinical study. Whomever claims otherwise is untruthful.
In contrast, Christian belief is fully open to the public for inspection and critique: to include that from Jews.
So the answer is this:
If Jews are truly tired of the hostility against them, wish to resolve this conflict for good, and wish to have full trust in a multicultural society, then they should open the books to their belief system as it exists in full.
All of the eschatology, all of the gematria / Kabbalah, and the rest. All of it. Surely, the Jews can spare one hundred rabbis and opening a system of gentile yeshivas to end antisemitism for good. That is, if their prior claims of irrational conspiracy are true.
Every other major religion has revealed their beliefs, and therefore it is indefensible for one religion to resist doing so. Especially in the context of such a high historical death toll on both sides of the conflict.
If there is merit to the gentile complaints, then Jews will continue to resist revealing what they actually believe in, in full, and will have little platform for complaints moving forward. Their avoidance and complaints can be perceived as a need to conceal conspiracy.
If there is nothing to the complaints, then our shared societies will be able to move forward on a much less tense and dangerous path.
What Jew would not want that outcome: the end of the majority of the irrational and evil antisemitism?
Especially at so little a cost (belief revelation) that all other social participants have paid, and especially since there is no conspiracy?
Well, based on my morning NYT, it does sound like the Pittsburgh shooter was some sort of anti-immigrant fanatic, who (not unreasonably) had decided that Jews were in the forefront of pro-immigration activism.
Apparently, he was going on and on about hordes of “foreign invaders” coming here to slaughter “his people.” So maybe FoxNews and Breitbart are actually more responsible for the incident than Gab.
Meanwhile, among large states California probably is the most heavily immigrant with the smallest white European minority, likely down to not too much above 30% these days. But politics here has gotten so totally bland and boring, that most people aren’t even paying attention to the election. So I’d have been extremely surprised if the shooter came from here. Here’s a pretty accurate cartoon from the Sacramento Bee:
I know that almost none of you will believe me, but here’s something to consider. Steve lives in LA which is probably less than 20% white European, and do you notice how little he ever writes about “exciting” things in his own city. That’s because as far as I can tell, LA has gotten very bland and boring these days.
By contrast, Brazil is a very “exciting” country to live in…
Point taken. The reason for my phrasing was to attempt to differentiate non/valid criticism (or more seriously, literal traitors giving aid to a wartime enemy). Serious “eye of the beholder” problem here though.
No, I would not characterize it as “mere criticism.”
The point is that his actions arrest going to be used as an excuse to crack down on White dissident speech. It is, of course, possible that he would not have done what he did but for speech critical of Jews, but then if so, that is just yet more evidence that multiculturalism is a failure.
The very logic of engineered multiculturalism demands repression of the majority population being dispossessed. It is inevitable that a handful will lash out.
These aren’t mutually exclusive. It is possible that certain groups’ higher IQs allow them to figure out ways to steal what is rightfully ours.
Because leftism is about indulging every base and bestial impulse, and conservatism is the maintenance of that which is civilized and ennobling? (Which is not the same as not fighting back—far from it—the savage stands no chance against the force of a healthy civilization).
Also, FWIW, it appears a substantial portion of the victims and survivors were/are Trump supporters.
That is precisely what TPTB are trying to avoid.
They weren’t “naming a baby”.
Sure, I tend to agree that immigration levels are much too high and should certainly be reduced, though actually the main problem is *legal* immigration rather than illegal immigration.
But I’m pretty sure that when the Pittsburgh shooter was talking about “foreign invaders coming to slaughter us” he wasn’t talking in code words, but believed in the literal meaning of those statements.
That’s why I’d tend to blame FoxNews and Breitbart…
I read an old Time magazine article once from 93 or 94 that has been scrubbed since where they discuss how the WTC 93 terrorists made their urea nitrate fertilizer bomb.
Basically it cost a few hundred bucks and just meant assembling some chemicals and goop together and putting it in the Uhaul….
Sad but true. I wonder how the spooks got this nutjob and the Florida tranny guy to do their bullcrap a week before the midterms knowing the blame would be pinned on Trump….
I think the below is a fine example. The types who exult don’t tend to be on the ISteve part of unz.com, to be fair.
A commenter from the NYT article about Bowers hosted on this site:
It was the Morality of 300 Spartans that instructed them to surrender their lives in a desperate attempt to delay the advance of 100,000 Persian invaders in Greece’s narrow coastal corridor at Thermopylae 2,600 years ago.
In similar fashion a small band of British fighter pilots willingly gave their lives to blunt a prolonged pre-invasion assault by the entire German Luftwaffe over southern England in the grim autumn of 1940. Dubbed the Battle of Britain, it was, indeed, Britain’s “finest hour”.
Likewise, four years later, almost 10,000 young Japanese airmen volunteered for ‘honourable death’ in a last-ditch attempt to save their homeland from invasion by the combined forces of the Western Allies. Piloting stripped-down aircraft loaded with high explosives, the chosen few launched wave after wave of Kamikaze attacks on the battleships of the Pacific Feet during the dying months of World War II. For the outlay of 378 ‘suicide planes’ and about 600 aircrew, this tidal wave of heroism sank 16 Allied warships, damage 87 others, and achieved the death of more than 2,000 American soldiers, sailors and airmen.
Screw your optics, I’m going in.
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! – Luke 13:34
The problem with explicit nepotism is that you get 1)a shithole, and 2)sabotage fundamental efficiency. So not only would you fail if you “won”, but you can’t possibly “win” since you’re rejecting understanding the very methods necessary to even function.
Its like insisting on using swords and crying very very hard about the unfairness of people shooting you with guns, and screaming “BUT SWORDS WORKED!!! IT WORKED VERY WELL!!! IT WOULD WORK IF EVERYONE STOPPED USING GUNS AGAIN!”
It mostly just results in you coming out both defeated, and worse, looking stupid while being trounced.
His GAB bio was that “Jews are the children of Satan”. I don’t see anyone called that on Breitbart or Fox News. Isn’t it the thesis of one of your wonderings? Sorry, it was that Jews worship Satan. But your commenters triangulated for you!
What “higher IQ world”?
Shut your anti-white trap.
The glory of being a White Nationalist: complaining about the unfair advantage of Jewish IQ while using a website operated by a Jew, using software created by a Jew, and on an internet supported overwhelmingly by Jewish technologies and Desi technicians, while promising just Any Day Now, they will get to Bring The Enemy to Heel.
Low IQ exhibits itself in many ways.
The difference between a low-IQ threat and a high-IQ threat is that the former is worthless, but the latter actually can, and has, been making you “shut your trap.”
Really makes you think.
i don’t know what the tipping point percentage is: 60%? 70%? but if that percentage of white debils comes to realize soon enough that the current globalist policy of population replacement is a genocidal policy we should be able to turn the world upside down without a massive amount of unpleasantness.
the sooner it happens the less unpleasantness there’ll be
(sure, if it goes right down to the wire then yes it will be very nasty whichever way it ends)
Have you ever heard of Japan?
You can toss that bone to some other dog. Whites are perfectly capable of building efficient societies. That’s why the smart fraction of other groups wants to come and take it over.
It is incredibly anti-semitic to imply there is a connection between jewish behavior and things that happen to jews. Similarly, I have a friend who is banned from over 100 bars in our state, but every single time it was 100% the bar owner’s fault.
Perhaps we should all refrain from referring to other human beings as “evil”?
That isn’t “exulting in murder.”
Please try to be more honest. You are often a very talented contributor here.
California is #15 on crime rate and is much safer than Brazil. I think still the whitest states have the lowest crime rate. I went to check your “Race and Crime in America” article thinking I find something there which I did not. But looking at it my doubts returned about your methodology. So I will bring it up here.
Using the correlations may show you some trends but I do not see what quantitatively does it show and how to interpret it. I think this should be done properly using multivariate regression analysis then you can really partition and assign fraction of crimes to various races and the fractions will add up to 1. While in your method the correlations do not add not up to anything meaningful. How should you interpret the anti-correlation, i.e. when it is negative. Correlation can be zero but it does not mean that there is no crime assigned to this group. Correlation will not capture global trend of increasing or decreasing crime rate. I think the methodology is flawed or at best it is a quick and dirty first look. I would not trust conclusions you drew from it. Like for example this:
You can’t make any meaningful quantitative statement besides the vague “noticeably less associated.” It can be less associated and yet Hispanic proportional population increase in all cities may increase crime but your method will not capture it.
high IQ = good
high IQ sociopath = bad
This comment deserves a gold box:
That’s because as far as I can tell, LA has gotten very bland and boring these days.
If Trump decided to hold a rally in LA it would get exciting pretty quick.
The lawsuit against the city of San Jose for the police directing Trump supporters into a violent mob continues to proceed.
If you like I can put on a Trumpslide 2020 shirt and walk around San Jose downtown and I can let you know what the boring/exciting scale registers in October 2018.
I appreciate your reply.
Should observations made by Ron, Shahak, Fischer, Chomsky (assuming there were any of relevance), and Shamir be classified as invalid?
On another level, your language “traitors giving aid to a wartime enemy” seems to imply a amoral ethics, or a “morality” (if it can be called such) of, “the group designated for me, right or wrong.” I don’t know if you’d mean that if you gave it due thought but I wanted to point it out.
did anything happen between 1917 and 1930 that might lead to Jews being blamed collectively for what the Bolsheviks did?
How about in the 1930s?
Would Purim, Passover, or Hannukah be analogous to some of these examples?
Interesting theory.
Would you say the same of whites? That the very smartest whites espouse internationalism because they can see what dumber whites cannot?
Or is hating and betraying your own people a bad thing everywhere? Putin seems to think so and is willing to pay a high price to eliminate those he perceives as having betrayed their own people.
“Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn’t let them through.”
There is an alternative explanation, of course. Your “anti-anti-semitic” comments were off-topic and, therefore, stood a high probability of throwing a thread down the tubes, like this one has gone. Who wants their golf or movie review post to be hijacked like that? Not every rejection you get in life is proof of your own secret genius.
Note that they double down on the politics that inspired the attack.
Note that they lie about the Jewish view on the relative value of humans.
Note that the concept of and support for Israel is inverse to their stated beliefs. Is the President also to disavow Jewish nationalism?
Note that Pittsburgh is a White working class town. Go directly outside of its immediate borders and the region is as White working class and Trump supporting as it gets. That is, not Jewish enough for them to dictate in regard to the President’s welcome in the town.
You are seriously deranged…..or you”re a Zionist.
So you want to fight back with tactics guaranteed to fail. Gotcha.
I take it you believe that it is. What if “your own people” are harming other people? What if your group is doing other people wrong?
And what determines what group or individual is “one’s own people”? What if you believe you owe some duty to people how have generously welcomed you as an equal into their group?
Charles Manson used to talk about a supposedly imminent race war with the words, “The $#1+’s gonna come down.” He and his followers would survive and have surviving black people as their willing servants, because they weren’t capable of looking after themselves.
Then the White Album came out. Manson drew parallels between Revelations 9 and Revolution 9: the Beatles were the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse; their electric guitars were the stinging tails; rich people were piggies; “Blackbird” was a call for a militant black uprising; “The $#1+” that was gonna come down became “Helter Skelter.”
Did the Bible and the Beatles make Manson send his followers to do murder? No, he just used them for his vocabulary. As so many others have done, he looked in the Bible to find things that he already wanted, then did the same with the Beatles–at a time when most people saw a Beatles album as an invitation to drugs and sex, or at least to look for clues that Paul was Dead.
Most people come here for spirited, occasionally rancorous debate. I doubt many of them leave on a mission to murder whichever group they happen not to like. I think most of us would still prefer to Throw The Bums Out of office with our votes.
Anyone who sincerely wants to shoot up synagogues, or churches, or kindergartens for that matter, brought it with him. I may say I’d like to strangle my noisy neighbor, but that is a far cry from doing so, or even having any serious intention of doing so.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/in-which-i-leave-house/
You need to review your history then. The United States has militarily occupied Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in recent memory.
As for Yemen and Palestine, the United States has been supplying lethal weaponry toward the oppression, invasion, and occupation of people in those lands.
Done in the same ceremony, at least in the 1st century:
If you think Jews control everything, then your argument makes a sort of sense, but Jews don’t, so it doesn’t. It is a bizarre fetishisation whereby you assign them supernatural powers.
White people are not to blame for the fact that you have to go through life with a mutilated dick, Moishe.
Alternatively, it was the Jewish critics of Zionism and Yabotinsky who correctly read the writing on the Wall and were right that Zionism would lead to conflict with Gentiles and cause them to see Jews as foreigners.
I don’t know what the history is but for some reason every S. African Jew I have ever met is Lithuanian.
The largest concentration of Lithuanian Jews in the world is in S. Africa. According to Gilbert, in the early 20th century Joburg was jokingly called a Lithuanian colony.
What’s your excuse for reading and repeating it?
I don’t have one — mea culpa if it is indeed ‘fake news’ (which you do not bother to substantiate — what’s your excuse for that?) — but I’m not interested enough to look into it further, and so inclined to take your word for it.
I made a typo: “I true” should have been “If true” — so I was not sure about it myself; seemed rather too outlandish — but why spoil a good joke?
Nice strawman. You are a bright guy. Please post more honestly.
Are you saying you are like Putin?
Talk about blaming the messenger/victims. If Jabotinsky had never been born, the outcome of the Holocaust would have been exactly the same.
Zionism appeared to influence how Hitler (and others?) perceived Jews, in terms of whether Jews saw themselves as sharing a common destiny with other peoples in their respective European nations, or whether they saw themselves as separate, alien. We also know that some Zionist groups collaborated with the Nazis toward having Jews emigrate to “their own” homeland.
And what does it say about your prejudices toward Gentiles that you believe the Holocaust was somehow predestined to happen?
Sectarian violence is only taken seriously if it is against the interest of the ruling party. Sometimes it is not only not take seriously, it is actually encouraged by the rulers. The examples are too numerous to cite.
“What does that mean – “within American First Amendment traditions”? Is that some subtle way of saying you favor suppressing speech that you consider to be anti-semitic?”
Jack D has written numerous times on this blog that he favors illegal, unconstitutional laws being passed in American states that ban boycotting or criticizing Israel. A friend like this is more dangerous than some of the people whom you claim are your enemies.
“I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m pretty confident that the internet is radicalizing a lot of people on both the left and right.”
Or maybe it’s just revealing people for who they really are. Look at history. It is, for the most part, a big dumpster fire. The good parts are few and far between. The same with people.
“Anders Breivik, this dude, Dylan Roof. And the massive publicity the media is pouring over this dude guarantees a copy cat.”
I’ve been wondering when this historically high white-male suicide rate might produce just such a guy, and then the inevitable copycats, many of whom may not even be political – guys like Stephen Padock, the Las Vegas shooter. In fact, it could be argued that this guy himself was a copycat of Padock and all the media coverage to some degree.
It seems the media has noticed, too. Vox is now advocating putting trace amounts of lithium into the drinking water.
Vox: Put Lithium Into Drinking Water
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/10/24/18010592/future-perfect-podcast-lithium-drinking-water-suicide
“How did the spooks find these 2 nuts”
This definitely doesn’t strike me as a false flag. However, the story of how they caught the Florida Stripper Bomber does strike me as a lie. I don’t buy the story of the lone state department guy who just so happened to have taken a picture of his stupid van while he was at a gym. More likely, the NSA or CIA found the guy using internet or social media postings, and then planted the picture story to cover their tracks on how they found him. They do this kind of thing in serious criminal cases all the time. Robert Mueller has publicly supported the practice (digging up dirt on cartels illegally, then funneling the information to police, then helping the police to cover up NSA involvement so people think that the cops were the ones who originated the information; it’s the same practice Brennan’s CIA used to create the Steele Dossier). It is possible in this case that the NSA used their back up of all social media postings to look for a picture or pictures of all the people mailed these packages, and then found a picture of this guy’s van along with postings of the various victims. They likely fabricated the story beyond that point in regards to how they found him so quickly, which I can almost guarantee had nothing to do with post office cctv recordings.
I like Moldbug’s analysis of Chomsky as an “ultra” (in the European football sense) loyalist. He doesn’t oppose the state, he wants more of it and criticizes it for not living up to its own blueprint. His followers consider him a radical but he is an ultra-conventionalist. Instead of leading them out of Plato’s cave (as they believe) he is taking them into a curiously well lit cave directly behind the one they started in.
In other words, the self-perception of breaking free from intellectual chains and seeing what other mortals cannot, is part of the phenotype. In your terms, it’s a more advanced self-deception 2.0, not a true epiphany.
Of course other people who find the conclusions convenient can always celebrate it as a miraculous revelation, or a proof that a lone genius has broken through the programming. But those are just-so stories to support their priors.
“If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing. You are doing the works of your father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on My own, but He sent Me.
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!
Which of you can prove Me guilty of sin? If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me? Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
What if you participated in an internet forum where others kept saying things like “your noisy neighbor is destroying the neighborhood”, he should be expelled and sent back where he came from, etc., etc. – lots of like minded rhetoric that gave a shape and a voice to your somewhat incoherent dislike for your neighbor and made you realize that you were no alone in your hatred – would this make you less or more likely to actually go out and do something to your neighbor.
I can pretty much guaranty that Bowers’s lived experience of Jewish oppression against him personally was insufficient for him to seek revenge – his hatred was given shape by third parties which in today’s context means hate sites (and he added to the echo chamber). ONLY by hate sites. Bowers has never had an original thought in his life.
Changing our laws regarding legal and illegal immigration, plus changing the asylum process, so people can’t stay just because they get their feet over the line, would go a long way to solving these problems.
Cut the total number, and put every category into one basket that counts for the total. Maybe even include whatever count of illegals might be possible, and make that part of the total too.
Note that no matter which major political party has power, not much is done about the laws or the numbers. Whoever has their hands on the levers, most of them do not want to change the status quo.
The Fox, Breitbart and Trump focus on criminality and danger seems directed at the fat and lower parts of the audience/voter IQ curve. That’s a persuasive technique that in this case misses the point and may cause harm, as you point out.
Our problem is sheer numbers of people, and perhaps also what they do to our average intelligence and customs. If more dense people keep coming in, our politicians and talking heads will continue to aim their arguments at their level of thinking. Things will get stupider, not smarter.
A vicious downward spiral. Think about it.
We are full up right now. It would be a good idea to just cut way back on admissions, no matter what their SAT scores would be.
BTW: May the wind be at your back as you face whatever attacks on speech may come your way now. You absolutely must preserve this website and the dialectic process that you facilitate within it. You wanted to create something of consequence; you have succeeded and you have a lot of readers out here who want you to continue what you have been doing.
PS: Maybe someday you will turn your considerable research talents toward the rather suspiciously timed events of the past week or so. There may be nothing there, but it’s worth a look.
“I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called “cruel Zionism.” I write about it because I was part of it.” – THE JEWS OF IRAQ by Naeim Giladihttp://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html
9.2: “THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM IS INDISPENSABLE TO US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR LESSER BRETHREN.” – http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm
My heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones. The shooter claims he’s upset about the Muslim refugee importation program supported by HIAS, but he should take a good look at the Catholic church and Lutheran church, two of the biggest importers of Muslim “refugees”. How did he think Minnesota became North Somalia?
The left needs to decide on a consistent narrative. Whenever a mass shooting occurs, if the victims are white, the shooter is just “mentally ill”, but if the victims are non-white, the shooter is immediately pinned as evil hateful Satan reincarnate. Either they are all mentally ill, or they are all evil hateful Satan reincarnate, enough with the double standard.
Are “neighbors” and “noisy” appropriate analogies?
Taking a slightly different angle, what if you lived in a neighborhood or country where the public discourse was a stream of implicit and explicit warnings that you and others were risks for committing murder or another Holocaust?
We have a lot of Somali immigrants around here, I do think they’re dragging down the area, I do wish they’d go back where they came from, I have plenty of company–and I’m still not going to do anything to them, except for voting against pro-immigration politicians as much as I can manage.
Good post!
To zero.
I’d add, that I would bet that greater freedom of speech, even if it meant criticism that included criticism of some Jewish behavior, would actually help to dial down the tensions in the medium- to long-term. Censorship can cause tensions to boil.
Or maybe it’s just revealing reality, the facts on the ground, as they actually are. And maybe it is the reality that is upsetting people? Solution: address the reality, address the real problems people are concerned about.
AndrewR, that’s a fair point. We have occasional accounts in my local newspaper of Black-on-White crimes in which the perps are quoted as reveling in the depravity and violence they’ve visited on innocent White victims.
Like many of us commenting here, I’m angry as hell at how we’ve been played by our political overlords. But, what I’m trying to say, I think, is that the only tools we have available are political persuasion, and for that we have to keep our emotional architecture from getting too wobbly.
Bowers’s alleged crimes shouldn’t distract us from the soundness of our case that “displacement immigration”, which is what it looks like to me, is a nasty idea.
I don’t know what else to say.
The examples aren’t the problem. It is comparing Bowers to those examples that’s the problem. Are you thick?
When we are constantly told that hating x [insert all sorts of cultural and spiritual degeneraces] is hating Jews, therefore bad, is it at all surprising that some eventually reverse the logic and conclude: well, x IS bad, therefore Jews too!
Did any communists in Weimar Garmany make these sorts of arguments?
I hear you. Admittedly it was an appeal to flattery, and I was waiting for someone to make the point you just did. Jack, as well as anyone else on the slippery slope he is on, will have to demonstrate whether or not my attempt was futile.
Feel free to share. I’ve never read a withering retort to the rhetoric of antisemites. I wasn’t sure that it exists in an environment where a rebuttal is possible. I’ve only witnessed its pastiche in publications that preclude a response. So, again, please entertain us with your efforts and don’t just titillate with foundation-free boasting.
Wishful self-stroking in the manner that has Jews continuously evicted from society, mercifully, being that their lives always rest with their hosts.
This impulse of yours, to assume to the Jew anything that you would like to ascribe to him (even irrationally for anti-Jewish comments), must be a defect with your kind.
In the broader view, it must be dissonance inducing to at once see your mercantile skill as dependent on your welcome and a source of your supremacy; while at the same time not being able to create an independent society.
What “reigning consensus” is that, exactly, that isn’t merely a product of Jewish political pressure and media (or just in general)?
Thank you for the fourth grade civics lesson. We will give you a pass given that you likely learned this only after graduating from yeshiva, and thus likely believe it to be fodder for intelligent adult discussion rather than the stuff of cub scouts. What’s next, a discussion on the merits of freedom to protest?
What thoughts are those, exactly? Jews have never openly explained the entirety of their belief system. Their opponents make claims for than system that Jews refuse to address, in full, through a public revelation of their religion in its entirety.Thus, you can not credibly attack Jewish opponents as “pigs” because the Jews have never explained what they are. Maybe the anti-Jews are anti-”pig”, to use your terminology. No one knows nor can claim to know without a full and public revelation of the Jewish religion.
Citing mistakes without explaining how they are mistakes is a sophomoric error in rhetoric.
Steve, the political pundit and author, thanks you for your unsolicited and florid mental health advice not to do his job.
My word buddy, I can’t tell if you need an editor or something a little more mentally regulating. As a response to recent events, you’re not exactly the poster-child for psychologically normative expression that Jews require when being so closely observed at the moment. Harness some of that high IQ, specifically toward better executive function that lies in that large frontal lobe. Try standing on your head for a few minutes.
Repetitive on your part, but we’re waiting with bated breath…
Yes, we know.
That’s your revelation?
You just described the issue that everyone is aware of. You just fairly well described the core of the conflict. This isn’t news. This is accurate. The only revelation will be for you to learn that you are not diffusing the conflict but justifying it. You are too sheltered to be in this conversation.
The difference between your White-Black and Jewish-White analogy is that we are not attempting to live in Black civilization as minorities. We are living in our own civilization, in our own lands (especially in Europe but also here), and both you and the Blacks are our guests.
You have greater realistic analogical correlation with Blacks, than do we, because you both require us to survive. While we kept slaves, at no time were we dependent on their very nature for survival. You are dependent on ours, as are they. Which is why your out-group politics converge with theirs and ours do not.
Yes, I know that you invented many books that essentially serve as very (long and florid, as your writing is here) self-actuation mantras to the contrary, but ask yourself why you need such books to do that job.
Your civilization should do that job. Instead, your significant civilizational input has led to a western dystopia because you need to soften your host to survive at all.
Your net output is destruction, which I would wager is bad for your self-concept. Hence, the very long books that you require to 1. teach you how to behave against your instincts, 2. tell you what special boys and girls you are in the absence of an ability to maintain society (especially in the absence of the constant reminder of how many enemies you have, which serves to create a modicum of daily cooperation in Israel) and 3. reminds you of the group messianic strategy and teaches how to move toward that goal.
I know that its difficult to accept the racial reality of the world. Not the political reality. I’m well aware that your sociopolitical structure, which enables your nation to be international, has led to superior political power.
What I’m speaking about is the world outside of your books that promise your non-existent utopia that you are told is the only “good”, your western dystopia filled with rampaging (I’ll call them “interesting beings” in an attempt to get past Steve’s censor), and every other distortion of the natural order. What I’m talking about is the actual goodness and order that you only see when we are left to our own devices. Good people don’t need a self affirming mantras. Their product is their affirmation.
In fact, this natural and better nature of ours is precisely what your group has learned to exploit toward our demise. The WN’s are merely those who are saying “no” to further exploitation.
As far as WNs go, your analogy is why they want you out. Is why they’ve always wanted you out. In response, throughout history, your people turn the levers of power in another nation to secure your place in this nation and others. As an aside, the influence of the WJC and AJC refute your assertion that Jews do not effectively work together toward political ends.
Your international abilities are precisely why nations must continue to exist. The logic essentially follows that which you prior offered for the continued existence of free speech. Nations allow goodness to creep back in, even in the face of overwhelming power. For those nations to be truly free, they must not be subverted be internationalists with superior political power. Similar to how the concept of free speech can not be co-opted or subverted by political institutions who have an interest in suppressing it.
Yes, have a great day. Prance along.
“Solution: address the reality, address the real problems people are concerned about.”
I wouldn’t hold your breath. The Ruling Class has a nasty penchant for doubling down in any crisis. They crushed Iraq War dissenters on television (firing Ashley Banfield and Phil Donahue), Occupy Wall Street, and the alt-right at Charlottesville. All of those groups had legitimate grievances, but the State, when faced with the option of addressing said grievances or employing violence, chose the latter option.
In this case, however, the State doesn’t even get full blame. Most of it must go to the shooter himself for his ignorance, incompetence, and even lunacy. Think about it for a moment and divorce yourself emotionally from the situation. Ask yourself what he should have asked himself: What did he think he was going to accomplish by doing this? What sense did it make to shoot up a Synagogue? Wouldn’t most of these religious service attendee victims be older and therefore on their way out anyway…so why go after them in the first place? Wouldn’t these older people have been more likely to vote for the candidates you favor anyway (don’t be surprised if some of these victims turn out to have been republicans…even though the guy was supposedly anti-Trump)? Just what is the strategy here? …. this guy was an idiot, even putting aside his act of terrorism. In that sense, he sort of deserved whatever persecution fantasy he believed.
First thing I’d think is that I must be on a rightwing Israeli internet forum – especially if, in a bid to exhort participants to take the plunge, the discussion included descriptions of other people who have actually gone on to “do something” to their neighbors.
Bunch of busy-body trouble-making assholes.
What’s “the Jewish media”?
Context matters…
Good reply. I agree that greater freedom of speech can actually lessen tensions. We are on a slippery slope to censorship that will cause things to fester under the surface, free from challenging arguments.
EDIT: Not my attempt specifically, but any such attempts at reasoning with people who are advocating limits on speech.
I provided the translation elsewhere on this thread.
It would be strange if Jabotinsky had referred that way to the Hebrew alphabet since almost every Jewish male learned the Hebrew alphabet in order to be able to recite prayers. In addition, Jabotinsky was a gifted and eloquent speaker and writer in Yiddish. What Moshe provided was a transliteration – Yiddish itself is usually written in the Hebrew alphabet (notwithstanding that it is basically a Germanic language). So I really really doubt if Jabotinsky ever referred to the Hebrew alphabet with derision.
Now for the language of Modern Hebrew itself, that is a different matter. I don’t know what his attitude toward Hebrew was as an everyday spoken language. It was a tremendous act of will for the Zionists to revive Hebrew, which had not existed as a spoken language for thousands of years. Even by the time of Jesus the Jews of Israel were speaking Aramaic and not Hebrew as their spoken language. It would be equivalent to the Pilgrims rejecting English and adopting Biblical Greek as the language of Plymouth Colony (and inventing new words for everything not mentioned in the New Testament but which exists today). There is really no precedent in history for this and I’m not sure that any other people could really pull this off.
Isn’t it strange though that many of those organizations are affiliated with various denominations of Christianity but Bowers chose to shoot up a synagogue and not a church?
Yes, in the name of safety and dependbility, let the Age of the Global Han unfurl!
Jabo was a fierce Hebraicist and wrote books for kids to teach them Hebrew but he thought that Latin letters were the way if the future much like Ezra seems to have believed Ashuri was.
But yes, of course he knew Hebrew. He even translated Dante and Poe into Hebrew from their respective originals.
“If you think Jews control everything…. It is a bizarre fetishisation whereby you assign them supernatural powers.”
Well, to be fair, Jews are indeed over represented in media ownership and in Fortune 500 lists. The same media that was saying a few weeks ago that it was racist to point out that whites shouldn’t have the land they disproportionately own in South Africa stolen from them without compensation are now saying that it is anti-semitic to point out exactly what Jews themselves have bragged about in the past: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19
It is this kind of blatant hypocrisy that leads people to anti-semitism. People aren’t dumb. A lot of them see the truth. It’s not just that Jews own stuff that makes some anti-semitic, it’s that some of them in the media lie about it while hypocritically attacking other racial groups like Asians applying to Harvard or South African Whites who are or might be over represented elsewhere. If Jews had been more honest about this and had then condemned what the government of South Africa was about to do in stealing White properties, there would be a much stronger argument for “so what?” when it comes to people pointing out what I just did. However, Jews are NOT the superhumans some make them out to be and are, unfortunately, just as short-sighted as most other peoples.
Even most Jews with very conservative, far right, or Alt-Right views and sympathies, like many Jewish readers and commentors at The Unz Review, are very uncomfortable and defensive about the topic of “jewish power” and regard it as irrelevant and a red herring promoted by anti-Semites.
This was a 19 century thing and many nations were engaged in language revival which often involved vast artificial construction. Czechs, Finns, Cornish… and often they had it harder because they did not have written texts. The construction are not that hard. Every language has to cope with adoption of foreign terminology and the neologism are created like for instance in Czech or Polish where they did not want to use French or German sounding words. Now it is English that everybody has to cope with. The words that have Latin of Greek etymology in English are simple for Europeans to adopt but Anglo-Saxon words are more problematic. Now it happens fast and there is no time to create properly sounding neologism so Anglo-Saxon words are adopted w/o much alteration but usually it is phonetic and spelling has to be changed.
Do you really believe that Jesus said this stuff?
The Gospel of John was written maybe a century after the death of Jesus (when no one was alive who remembered his actual words). Early Christians defined themselves as sort of Jews for Jesus, but by the time that the Gospel of John is written, the Christian community is attempting to define itself primarily in contrast to Judaism, rather than as part of it and the words that they put in Jesus’s mouth concerning the Jews reinforces this separation. This is the kind of stuff that a teenager writes when he or she is going thru their “I don’t like my parents and I am nothing like them” phase.
Yes, it really makes me think you are even more anti-white than your original comment let on.
the mainstream media you don’t want to ban says stuff like that about white people every day
The existence of a Baruch Goldstein doesn’t make Bowers any less evil. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
There is an ocean of reasonableness between over-represented and control everything. It is exactly the same clear, calm sea that seperates reality from fringe SJW theories about white privilege.
If you believe in one, you should logically believe in the other. Otherwise, you’re the hypocrite.
As for Jews needing to condemn the South African governmemt, which ones need to? Does the Pope need to? Should Bowers have shot up a church?
That’s because it is a ridiculous concept used to justify great evil, exactly like the concept of “white privilege”.
The task in say Czech (or for that matter Yiddish*) was vastly simpler – to take a language that was already being spoken every day by the majority of the local people and to turn it into a modern prestige language that could be used in formal writing and literature. It was more similar to say turning Ebonics or Pidgin into a formal language – it’s really not that hard of a job – you just had to clean it up a little, add some words here and there, but everyone already knew the grammar and basic vocabulary if not necessarily how to read and write. Imagine instead that you were trying to get you children to adopt Klingon as their native language and teaching them to speak only Klingon from birth. To do something crazy like this you have to be a really committed ideologue.
*Yiddish itself barely existed as a literary language before the 19th century and not at all before the 16th, despite having been around for at least 7 centuries before that.
As I said before, two wrongs don’t make a right. Whether mainstream or alt, it’s a really bad idea to advocate for extermination of any race, even if you think you are being metaphorical. People who are less abstract thinkers than you are might decide to take your words literally.
A lot of mainstream denunciation of the “I can’t wait for all the old white people to die” variety is (semi) tongue in cheek and in any event usually means that they want you to die of old age, not that they want to speed things up by dispatching you with a machete or semi-auto. Nevertheless, I don’t think it is a good idea to print those things either.
The bloke compared the murder to the 300 Spartans. That is exulting in murder.
“control everything” was your straw man
The US “occupied” neither Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, Mr. Bin Laden.
As for the Muslims, the fact they kill each other regularly is not my problem. If they didn’t have guns they would use stones. \
Both sides of every war are genocidal maniacs.
Credibility has a lot to do with how independent the sources are of each other, and for each source, how independent their position on each issue is from other issues. In the case of people from the phenotype we are talking about, there is another problem which is that their energy and detail orientation and mastery of the academic format mean that narratives have numerous intricate overlaps with facts “locally” (e.g. Shahak’s citations to 600-year old editions of the Talmud, Chomsky’s voluminous footnotes, Ron’s collage of admission statistics) but the total picture is not well tested (eg., are Chomsky’s sources reliable; do Jews pray to Satan as Shahak has deduced; are Ron’s numbers from Hillel mathematically impossible).
Back to the matter of independence. Chomsky, Shahak, Said, Mezvinsky, Reinhart, etc and etc, are one ideological clique and claque. That one of them praises something said by the others on Jews,Israel, Zionism or Middle East politics does not raise its credibility; if anything it calls it into question.
Chomsky does have a certain independence and intellectual honesty to his stances on some subjects where he does not show any dogmatic ideological commitments. On those he is more credible. Where he has already dug in (leftism, Israel) he is unreliable though someone with enough time can judge each of his claims in its own right.
Other than a couple of his data analysis pieces, Ron only cites the others rather than producing original work, so one would think it’s a matter of their credibility, not his. But that shifting of the burden is a self-exculpatory formula that is part of the phenotype (“I don’t have expertise or time to delve into this issue, but here are a few really interesting things I was surprised to learn from several eminent scholars that completely changed my mind…”). Ron’s stances on a wide range of questions including 9/11, the JFK assassination, the Holocaust, Ivy League college admission and many more are all highly correlated with each other with basically the same account given in every case. It’s one set of prior conceptions being cast onto a series of different topics. When all you have is the Semite hammer…
sure but you only want one side banned
If over-representation is your issue, I assume you support the full progressive agenda of affirmative action for under-represented minorities. You wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite.
I think anti-white people are evil. And I think they should feel bad when innocent whites are victimized. Do you disagree?
Pari passu, shouldn’t I think that anti-brown, or anti-black, or anti-Jewish people are evil, and that white gentiles should feel bad when innocent brown or black or Jewish people are victimized?
Do you really think that white gentiles should lower themselves to the level of evil anti-white bigots?
Yes, the Gospel of John is altogether true, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
And no, we Americans will not repeal the 1st Amendment.
nope – i want Jews in the media to stop attacking white people over disparate impact when they themselves are the beneficiaries of egregious disparate impact.
Actually, if you’re interested in my analysis of white/Hispanic crime rates, you’d be better off taking a look at my article focused exactly on that topic, which applied several different methodologies, all of which produced the same conclusion:
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/
As you might guess, my article provoked an ocean of hostile responses, leading me to produce a long series of follow-up columns, linked just below the end of the footnotes. I think the overall case in favor of my analysis is pretty overwhelming, and certainly supported by what I’ve personally noticed in my own local area.
I want all people in the media to stop doing that. I guess I am less blinkered than you. Plus you don’t benefit from disparate impact. Disparate impact is a racialist canard mostly used to support anti-white discrimination.
Perhaps you should join up with those guaranteed winners who picket soldiers’ funerals with “GOD HATES FAG TROOPS” signs. Really captures the public imagination, that tactic.
They get murdered at twice the rate but only commit murder at the same rate…seems legit…
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5309973
That’s good – really good. This is Moldbug?
Bingo.
Damn good advice. Will it be heeded? We shall see.
I don’t think Ron’s eccentric personality or ethnicity has anything to do with the validity of his ideas.
They are wrong independently of who makes them.
His low agreeablity and anger at criticism however lead him to piling mistake upon mistake. My overall impression is of an overgrown adolescent saying things to annoy his square parents, not an intellectual interested in the truth. This is why he can’t even get people like Greg Cochran to engage with him.
Irony, much? FFS I’ve been giving you the same sound advice for quite a while now, given your admitted disloyalty to America and its sacred creeds. And yet, you’re still apparently posting from the US.
What about the Jews murdered by Tamerlan Tsarnaev in Waltham?
Syria and its attack dogs Russia and Iran have killed half a million in the past 7 years.
I would include :
Indonesian occupation and genocide in Papua.
Sudanese occupation and genocide in Darfur.
Nigerian occupation and genocide in Biafra.
Moroccan occupation and genocide in Western Sahara.
Turkish occupation and genocide in Cyprus and Kurdistan.
Chinese occupation and genocide in Tibet and Xinyang.
Russian occupation and genocide in Chechnya, Dagestan, Kaliningrad,Crimea, Kurdistan and Syria.
‘Many of us recognize that Muslims have legitimate grievances with the United States and Israel.’
Yes…and many others — some of who turn up here — find in Muslims an opportunity to let their inner bigot out to strut his stuff.
The unspoken factor here is class.
Those most obsessed with the Jews think the Jews rule the world because they’re so disconnected from the class of deracinated post-whites who largely do. That class is of course profoundly connected to the successful Jews who are more conspicuous even if that class of Jews is largely deracinated (and functionally atheist) themselves.
‘Could this incident be looked back upon by history as a modern Harper’s Ferry?’
You’ll need to find the equivalent of the frank Northern abolitionist worship of John Brown.
…can’t see it happening. The truth is that while many object to Zionist control of our foreign policy, and some are annoyed at the hypocrisy involved in Jewish beneficiaries of wealth and privilege objecting to ‘white’ wealth and privilege, only a few nut cases object to Jews qua Jews. Anti-semitism in America isn’t a very powerful force. Various people try to pretend it is for various purposes — but it just ain’t.
Jew here, one who is painfully aware that a disproportionately high number of Jews are found among those who advocate and advance policies (not least of which is the “displacement immigration” that you referenced) that are harmful to white, especially non-cosmopolitan gentiles. I would contend that at least many and perhaps even most such Jews are not motivated by any conscious, deliberate malice. At the same time, I acknowledge that there are some, perhaps even many, including at least a few quite prominent Jews whom Mr. Sailer has quoted on this blog, who can legitimately be characterized as downright hostile to white gentiles– some brazenly so.
As long as this remains the tragic reality; as long as high-profile, conspicuous Jews such as Charles Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Brett Stephens, David Brooks, Jennifer Rubin, John Podhoretz, et al. create the impression of Jews that they do, I have no choice but to conclude that it would not be unreasonable for white gentiles, particularly less-than-cosmopolitan white gentiles, to hold a less-than-favorable view of Jews.
Someone else, in an earlier comment in this thread, wrote,
That invade the world U.S. foreign policy has unleashed a massive, ultimately immeasurable amount of carnage and misery throughout the world, not least of all in Muslim and Arab lands, would seem beyond credible dispute. As would the statement that Arabs, at least (not sure about Muslims, per se), have legitimate grievances against both the (Zionist State that calls itself) Israel as well as its accomplice and enabler, the United States of America.
In all of the above cases, it is critical to draw a distinction between (a) acknoweldgement of a grievance as legitimate; of a motivation for an act as understandable and not entirely irrational, and (b) justification or defense of an act.
You, JackOH, have made it clear that however much you may sympathize with whatever frustration and even legitimate grievances may have motivated Bowers, what he did this past Saturday morning at that synagogue in Pittsburgh was nothing less than a wanton act of murder for which there can be no justification.
Pittsburgh has fewer immigrants than any other largish American city. Hispanics are noticeably absent from the area. It’s the one American city that still feels like America.
Link please?
Okay you found one guy who seems to support murder. That’s awful. If you confine your remarks to him*, you can make any insults you like without fear of complaint. Is he a regular commenter? One of the anons? You in disguise? On this site that sort of rhetoric is pretty rare, actually, except from regular commenter “Joe Webb” and a few other people who are, seem like, or pretend to be nuts.
*If not, you are morally equivalent to people who say “Well, Trotsky was a Jew, therefore …”
“the very smartest whites espouse internationalism because they can see what dumber whites cannot?”
The “very smartest whites” probably espouse internationalism because they think it will be good for them, personally.
That’s a pretty good point that I hadn’t considered, and may have contributed to the shooter’s crazy beliefs.
If he’d lived in CA, where probably something like 60% of the population comes from a recent immigrant background and 40+% is Hispanic, he’d have had a much more realistic view of immigrants. Even most overwhelmingly white states have lots of immigrants these days.
But he lived in a place that has very few, so he believed all the total nonsense he found on FoxNews and Breitbart.
Then he wandered around the Internet a little, and eventually discovered (correctly) that Jews were probably the group most strongly supportive of heavy immigration, which shocked him. Next, he also discovered (correctly) Jews had a great deal of control over the MSM, and decided that was the reason that the ongoing race war between whites and immigrants in CA wasn’t being reported.
Now it’s perfectly true that Jews are one of the most influential pro-immigration elements and also that they have huge MSM influence. The problem is that when you mix together with some of the crazy stuff from FoxNews/Breitbart, you end up with a pretty dangerous combination…
Thanks for the helpful advice. I’m sure that you have my best interests at heart.
I have a lot of faith and trust in (most) of my fellow Americans (except for a few idiots like you and Bowers). Jews have lived in America since well before the Revolution and this week’s synagogue killings were the worst anti-Semitic incident in all of American history. The soil of Europe OTOH was soaked in Jewish blood for over 1,000 years. Antisemitism in Europe was espoused by the rich and powerful. Antisemitism in America is espoused by friendless losers who live in run down rental apartments or maybe their mother’s basement. Jews in Europe who wanted to get ahead converted to Christianity. Many of our recent Presidents have Jewish grandchildren. So America is really different and the times are different.
So, any ethnographer who ever described the Yazidis in any detail is … an enabler of ISIS! Guilty of blood!
I’m not quite fully on board your train of thought here; perhaps I missed a station …?
How do you explain the fact that Nigeria has killed over 2 million Christians in occupied Biafra and Indonesia has killed over half a million Christians in occupied Papua ? Israel and Americas fault ?
How about the 200,000 Christians killed by Indonesia in East Timor ? The 2 million killed by Sudan in South Sudan ? The 700,000 killed by Sudan in Darfur ?
Seems Muslims kill even more brazenly , more brutally and in much higher numbers in conflicts where America and Israel are absent. Quit making excuses for the Muslim world. You are playing a game you cant win.
The soil of Europe OTOH was soaked in everybody’s blood for over 1,000 years.
FTFY
The soil of pretty much everywhere OTOH was soaked in everybody’s blood for uncounted millenia.
Fixed it better… (and that includes Judea).
The wonderful metaphor of another cave behind Plato’s is from Moldbug’s piece “Chomsky Killed Aaron Swartz”. Ultra and loyalist are his recurring terms for European anti-Americanism, the American 1960-70′s radical left, and academics of Chomsky’s stripe (who in his analysis occupy the pinnacle of the power structure, not the distant margin).
Why didn’t it?
Right. Soros represents the Jews but no one thinks that Bezos represents the Greeks or shoots up a Greek Orthodox church on account of what he has said or done.
yes
Why don’t you think it’s a good idea?
https://www.worldpittsburgh.org/guest-post-pittsburghs-refugee-populations/
Whites of high socioeconomic status espouse internationalism because to espouse otherwise publicly would cause them to fall to low socioeconomic status.
Oh yes it did.
I was thinking in a kind of an inversion of roles besides the media. My point was the incidents are the Quickening.
So no race war yet, only the vanguard of an invasion and demographic takeover:
Ron, you may find this past post of mine (#26) to be relevant.
also the very smartest whites tend not to grow up in minority white neighborhoods or go to minority-white schools and they have no idea what they’re like cos the media covers it up.
Could you provide a roadmap for how to do this?
legitimate grievances against both the (Zionist State that calls itself) Israel
That’s a veritably Coatesian formulation. Almost as good as “People who think they are White”. A MacArthur Genius grant cannot be far behind.
Bandolier?
Yet despite 364 years together, there is a still a person calling himself “Jack D” who understands Americans so little, he thinks they will throw away half the New Testament and most of the Constitution because he finds them inconvenient.
How about American flags/pins?
‘…The problem is that when you mix together with some of the crazy stuff from FoxNews/Breitbart, you end up with a pretty dangerous combination…’
…and dude had sixteen guns or something.
It seems reasonably likely he was going to go off somehow. The news may have just helped him decide precisely who.
demographics of pittsburgh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh#Demographics
‘Right. Soros represents the Jews but no one thinks that Bezos represents the Greeks or shoots up a Greek Orthodox church on account of what he has said or done.’
This somewhat distorts matters. Soros does indeed represent a liberal and internationalist ideology often associated with Jews.
Just how is Bezos identified with any peculiarly Greek ideas?
The public school district with the highest test scores in the country is Lexington, MA (a suburb of Cambridge, MA):
“The racial makeup of the town was 68.6% White, 25.4% Asian (15.4% Chinese, 4.8% Asian Indian, 3.2% Korean[26]), 1.5% Black or African American, 0.1% Native American, 0.0% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.3% of the population.”
I’ve observed Ron to be very, very engaging. Willing to address criticism and be logical. Go ahead and try to knock down his arguments with evidence and reason. A few have attempted to do so in this thread and he has responded.
While I appreciate your response to me, I will make the observation to you that I perceive your tribal affiliation and prejudice against Gentiles to have colored your attitude toward Ron’s work (as well as some of Steve’s work). In your critiques and others, there is an extreme defensiveness about criticism of Jewish actions, a tendency to go ad hominem or to be simply dismissive of the arguments without engaging them, and to employ blackmail tactics (“I’m done posting” or “How much longer are you going to come to this site?”; that kind of thing).
As for your prejudice against Gentiles, they really are capable of exposure to (even misplaced) criticism of Jews without becoming embarking on another Holocaust. Gentiles want to see some flexibility from Jews, some give and take, some compromise. Censorship is not that.
I’d wager that Bowers wouldn’t have gone on his spree if in fact there were MORE freedom of speech in this regard.
I wish Silverman would stfu about Trump going “full Hitler” and go back to watching the “amazing” “spectacle of Louis CK manipulating his full monty.
In a civil war fueled by the United States and Israel.
Striking difference between Pittsburgh and Detroit.
If you like big city amenities, Pittsburgh came through the post civil rights crime wave with more of them intact than all but the most expensive cities.
Good post.
Now we are getting somewhere. It would be very helpful if other Jews would call these people out. Or if Jews organized to oppose immigration or defend the integrity of US borders. Where are they?
Why is that critical?
true but i imagine a drop from 79% to 65% was noticeable
Same reason that there isn’t any Amish literature. The Bible (and its commentaries) is the only book that you need when you are immersed in religious life.
IQ has much, much, less to do with inter-tribal mistrust than differences in fundamental social mores. One would imagine that very high IQ individuals would understand this.
A new right wing hero, a man who was willing to put his principles into action in order to save his people even if it ended his own life or his freedom, just this week advised us to “screw the optics”.
“The US “occupied” neither Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, Mr. Bin Laden.”
We kept US military personnel in both countries for years after Desert Storm. Ironically, Bin Laden cited this as one of his key reasons for the 9/11 attacks – the defiling of holy Saudi Arabia with infidel soldiers.
Right – that 97 year old lady and the retard brothers had to answer for Soros’s crimes with their lives.
Here’s a pro-tip: if you are hunting for liberal internationalists in Pittsburgh, Saturday morning services at a Conservative synagogue are a really lousy place to hunt. Your luck would be much better down at the Carnegie Mellon faculty club or even one of those Episcopal churches that have lesbian priests.
Apostate Jews who were no less vicious to Torah-true Jews than they were to any gentiles.
What, Gab wasn’t good enough for him? Gab has been de-platformed BTW.
With all due respect to our host, Mr. Unz, ixnay on the oodblay ibellay , OK, if you don’t want to end up like Torba.
True, and it is much to their–and our–discredit. There is little good in being unjust and unprincipled. But these bigots are making some people happy, as they fall for the Zionist divide and conquer strategy and morally debase themselves at the same time.
Dude, Gab had a few dozen feral accounts. Don’t follow them. Mute them. Some might be Feds. Others were just too manic to have a reasonable debate. The thing with Gab is that it was a worthwhile experiment in free speech & had much potential. Torba could have improved the moderation & decorum, but he made a stand and wasn’t very open to advice. Half of the problem is that too many folks got squeamish at the 1488 stuff and decided to bail out. If enough of a mass of more articulate folks had held firm, it would have tipped the balance and made it a more appealing site. If you want hard fought liberties to continue, it won’t always be a sunny walk in a meadow. Make a stand.
During the great migration declining coal mine employment in rural PA and WV provided labor for Pittsburgh’s industries. Coal mines employed 2% of the US labor force around 1920 compared to 0.06% now.
Newton was never a crank outside his areas of expertise. He took areas that were respectable at the time, alchemy and Bible analysis, applied more rational and scientific methods to them than had been the norm, and kept it all secret. I don’t know much about Pauling, but the vitamin C stuff struck me as an aging maestro overconfident in his powers and looking for one last triumph, a not uncommon situation among otherwise normal scientists in their final years.
Of those who do fit the profile, I do think it’s largely Jewish, for several cultural reasons. Jews tend to like theorizing. They have more of a group identity to repudiate, and can rise in status (among the majority) by disavowal. Just as Christians have always prized Jewish converts, Jews who criticize Israel or oppose Zionism are high-status to Gentiles. The rarae aves of “righteous among the Jews” who doggedly allege and expose Jewish perfidy as such have the more unusual opportunity to be viewed as living saints by the subset of Gentiles with a particular interest in such Questions.
Because of the importance Jews place on cleverness in their children, it is particularly easy for the geekier precocious “boy geniuses” to organize their identities around that and need to be perceived as exceptional their whole lives. If conventional success doesn’t materialize to the level expected, or stalls (Chomskian linguistics) or runs off the rails (Fischer), there are some appealing alternatives for staying extraordinary. Moral purity is one route, analytical brilliance in piercing the veil and seeing what others don’t is another; in both cases the role of prophet, guru or maverick beckons.
Espousing radical, revisionist or conspiracy-theoretic views allows such people to keep their uniqueness by playing the exciting role of leaders in the opposition rather than boring members of the dominant consensus. A lot of this phenotype’s works (outside their original expertise) are self-published or issued by obscure/fringe publishers. It’s partly from the work being cranky, but partly from having formed alliances in the cool underground opposition. Chomsky’s preface to Faurrisson’s book is a perfect example.
If you follow my link above to the Operation Finale thread on iSteve you will see that the distinctly Jewish aspects of this are even stronger in the case of you-know-who.
“As for your prejudice against Gentiles”
Yeah sure I am prejudiced against my mother and most of my family.
“I’ve observed Ron to be very, very engaging.”
With fellow Holocaust denial nuts, sure.
But not with people pointing out the flaws with his failed attempts at statistics relating Jews at selective colleges or Hispanic crime. On the latter issue a few years ago, he kept calling me stupid and a “racialist.”
All Jews are high-status to Gentiles. But in fact those who criticiness Israel or oppose Zionism face demotion to lower status in our society relative to other Jews. See Shamir, Atzmon, Fischer.
Maybe, but should any of them have faith or trust in you? Given your comment history, you seem to have major doubts about America to its core, both as the creation of a particular founding stock (the definition of which you’ve laughably tried to muddy), and as an ongoing ‘proposition nation’ based on bedrock principles as expressed by that founding stock.
Jack, call it tough love. You are in need of guidance, I give.
“History Repeats Itself” (Lyrics enabled in CC)
She’s a bit hard for me to understand, and I’m not sure YouTube’s captioning is entirely accurate:
Inching towards 1000.
That doesn’t prove anything, Lot. You know that.
Your hypersensitivity when faced with criticism of Jews is best explained as a manifestation of prejudice toward Gentiles (they are violent, irrational, can’t be trusted with information, etc.)
There’s the insults and straw men, again. I really wish we could see a good, logical critique of his work on the Holocaust.
I am not familiar with that debate. He shouldn’t have called you those things.
The present plague is Gnosticism brought on by mismatch on a colossal scale in the wake of “everyone should go to college.”
I don’t know why he gets such a bad wrap. He seems consistently insightful and prophetic.
So saith a true mensch.
Can we start up a petition to have the Times hire Dissident? That’s the path to peace.
That’s the exact same problem today. Compounded by the fact that the apostate Jews are actually playing second fiddle to apostate Christians, many of whom are now in charge of the erstwhile churches.
If you can’t say hypothetically that some Jews 600 years ago may have killed some gentile children in some sort of occult ritual then “research” and “history” are jokes.
Frankly UR is probably on the list for other things– 9/11 stuff especially. But that the specifically Jewish stuff, not the black stuff, not the Muslim stuff, not even the insane Revusky stuff is the thing everyone’s terrified of is interesting.
Libel as in generalized negative statements about Jews purported as facts, such as Jews being dishonest.
Libel as in false, negative and defamatory statements about individual Jews. Examples:
1. Deborah Lipstadt, in the Holocaust post. Ron makes all kinds of assertions about hysterical or wrong statements in her book on Holocaust revisionists. Her book can be downloaded as a PDF from Library Genesis so it is particularly easy to check Ron’s claims. All his key statements about her were false, nor was Lipstadt the irrational screaming yenta he said she was. (He also compared her to a Jewish prostitute, which is pretty defamatory.) The Holocaust thread was closed so there is no opportunity to correct these blatant errors under the post.
2. Nurit Baytch, in the current Harvard admission discrimination post and earlier discussions of the same matter. She did a replication of Ron’s Jewish surname counting method on the Harvard undergraduate directory, coming up with 5-9% (consistent with Ron’s counts of National Merit PSAT high score lists). Instead of acknowledging or answering this at any time in the past 5 years, Ron attacks her as stupid, incompetent, “Jewish berserker”, “Jewish fanatic”, and similar terms. In reality Baytch never attacked Ron personally or did anything except address his statistical analysis.
3. Janet Mertz, also on the Harvard discrimination articles. Described in similar terms as Baytch although she very strictly limited herself to the numerical counting issues and was totally polite to Ron. I guess she is lucky Ron didn’t call her a hooker as he did to Lipstadt.
C’mon, we’re drowning in anti-Christian (in the best tradition of Voltaire), anti-American, and anti-Western gentile geniuses. It’s so bad that that’s the way to bet given no other information.
Incendiary bad faith.
What exactly is this sort of thing supposed to accomplish?
‘That class is of course profoundly connected to the successful Jews who are more conspicuous even if that class of Jews is largely deracinated (and functionally atheist) themselves.’
Are successful Jews all that deracinated? The apparently impeccably bland Steven Spielberg gave a million dollars to the IDF when it invaded Lebanon in 2006. I looked over the list of the twenty biggest donors to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Of the twenty, seventeen were Jews. Of those seventeen, fourteen were clearly Zionists. The biggest contributor is on record as saying, ‘I’m a one issue guy and that issue is Israel.’
Now, I have gone through this with some wealthy Jews and discovered that yes, they give entirely to the sort of causes a wealthy gentile would support: hospitals, disease research, schools, etc. However, a very high proportion give a great deal to Israel — which is about a racialist a cause as could be conceived.
How would it be if a similar proportion of successful white gentiles supported ‘ Aryan Nation’ or whatever? Would you feel inclined to justify that and see it as insignificant? Warren Buffett goes on record as saying ‘I’m a one issue guy and that issue is white Christendom’?
Was it 5-9 or 6-8 (I guess that depends on your CI, but did NB give this? And which are you using?)– either of which is lower than the self-reported 9.5%– which may not be a problem, being perhaps an artefact of method? And “consistent with” is a bit of weaseling, though probably not inaccurate depending on what you mean, and Baytch never attacked Ron personally is simply false. So if you’re going to accuse people of lying, carefully twisting while you make the charge is perhaps not the best idea. Maybe this is RU’s problem too? I’m not of course going to suggest it’s a racial pattern.
Why not use your reply to this comment to do so?
That’s a tone-deaf interpretation. Reading specific date-predictions into the Bible was always crankery. That’s like saying Shahak’s work isn’t crankery because critical reading of religious texts was very popular in the twentieth century. The conclusion may or may not be true, but the argument certainly doesn’t work.
As I understand it, Buddhism in India began to be eclipsed with the the advent of the monistic creed of Shankara (circa 8th. century AD) which proved to be philosophically more compelling, though I suspect that as is usual in these matters, politics had a lot to do with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara
Israel is their college football team. T. Boone Pickens has given 9 figures to Oklahoma St.’s athletics department and Phil Knight has given similar amounts to the U. of Oregon football team.
Rich American Jewish guys don’t have a college football team that’s explicitly tied to being Jewish (what’s the most Jewish college football power? The U. of Michigan?). Israel is their football team.
The oldest printed book.
https://www.bl.uk/greek-manuscripts/articles/ancient-books
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm-leaf_manuscript
Newton was never a crank outside his areas of expertise.
Newton became an expert on whatever he became interested in (he was Newton), some of which topics were extremely cranky: alchemy, Bible codes, numerology, and the like.
Chomsky is quite high status. Had Fischer reinvented himself as a Chomsky-Shahak type erudite critic of Zionism with long books of 1000 footnotes (instead of screaming his lungs out on Filipino radio shows), not become an anti-American nor a fugitive from the law, and continued to play a bit of chess, I think he could have grown into a Chomskian second career as a dignified polymath of high ethical stature. It would have been particularly popular in Europe and Russia, and he would have been seen as a cool curiosity in Asia (as he was to an extent in real life).
Atzmon’s mistake is that he doesn’t follow the conventional route of sticking to research and abstractions while outsourcing the application of anti-Semitism to others. Making it personally against American Jews or rationalizing the burning of synagogues is not high status behavior. Compiling encyclopedic data on Jewish media ownership or Israeli atrocities is more the sort of thing that wins one admiration as a righteous Jew.
What the heck would “popular defense” have consisted of anyway? Back then Kshatriyas fought and everybody else stayed out of the way. It’s not as if some wonderful “popular defense” stopped India’s nicest Hindu temples from getting sacked too, or as if Indian rulers said to Muslim generals: “Oh, it’s only the Buddhists you want to sack? Go right ahead, my army will line up nicely along the road as you go by.”
How did Jews come to identify so strongly with UMich?
Chomsky doesn’t oppose Zionism. (He himself is a Zionist.) He doesn’t criticize Jews or Judaism. His criticism of Israel is either standard Jewish Democrat fare (critical of “the occupation”) or guaranteed to be without effect. When he does criticize Israeli policies he typically couples it with the placement of ultimate responsibility on the United States. Chomsky appears to be running damage control for Jewish interests.
Indeed.
https://cis.org/Report/American-Unionism-and-US-Immigration-Policy
Also quite remarkable, in light of the dramatic shift that Respectable opinion on immigration has taken over the years, are the views of such iconic black leaders as Barbara Jordan and even Coretta Scott King on the matter.
I believe that it has been noted here, as well, that at one time The Sierra Club had taken a restrictionist position on immigration.
I do recall reading some time back, I believe in a comment to this blog, that Bunker (the iconic lead character from the 1970′s television sitcom All in The Family) was indeed based on Lear’s own father. If true (or even if just a widely-publicized rumor), then I wonder if it might account for something I still struggle to make sense of: My late father insisting, in the course of a casual conversation, that (John) Carroll O’Connor, the actor who played Bunker, was a member of The (((our))) Tribe. (I have not ruled-out the possibility that my father was merely testing the limits of my credulity– especially in light of the fact that he also once made the same claim about Luciano Pavarotti…)
U. of Michigan is a famous safety school for northeasterners wanting to get into the Ivy League. But I’ve never heard of whether or not Michigan’s high % of Jewish students/alumni like football. They probably do, since most students there do. The football team averages about 100,000 attendance, usually the highest in the country.
Duke and North Carolina are popular with New Yorkers too.
‘Israel is their college football team. T. Boone Pickens has given 9 figures to Oklahoma St.’s athletics department and Phil Knight has given similar amounts to the U. of Oregon football team…’
Perhaps; but college football teams aren’t racialist causes.
Chomsky isn’t very welcome to publish on oped pages in the US. He’s a big deal abroad, but tends to be shunned by the mainstream media in the US.
Sailer at his rocket bottom dumbest.
I guess this glibness provides a cover of defensive stupidity or something. I hope it’s worth the cost to his masculinity.
The Notre Dame Fighting Irish were famously an Irish Catholic / Miscellaneous Catholic representative with a huge Subway Alumni in northeastern urban centers. To this day, Notre Dame is treated special by the networks.
Gleick’s biography of Newton makes the point that Newton himself always belonged to what we think of as the pre-Newtonian age before the rise of rational mathematized science. Alchemy was considered fair game and Newton, being what he was, did it almost as a modern form of chemistry. It was only discovered in the late 20th century that he was secretly the greatest alchemist in Europe.
What did he do with the Bible that would have been suspect in his time? I thought he was primarily interested (20-30 years’ work) in chronology, matching up historical dates/people/places to things in the Bible. From the point of view of someone like Newton, if there were a mathematical system for extracting prophecies from Bible text it could, in principle, be tested and refined and thus a scientific way of learning the hidden meaning of scripture. Not fundamentally different from revealing the subtle patterns in planetary motion.
Lawrence Kasdan, who is Jewish and a U. Mich grad, made the movie The Big Chill, which is centered around a bunch of Michigan alums spending a weekend together mourning a deceased friend from college and watching a Michigan football game. Of the characters in the movie, I don’t think any make explicit reference to their religion, though the Jeff Goldblum character (obviously) could be Jewish.
Keynes bought Newton’s trunk of papers and was shocked by what he found:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/Extras/Keynes_Newton.html
Well sure, now that the horse has bolted, you can issue heroic calls to lock the barn door.
I remember Chomsky writing a couple of op-eds in the LA Times about how East (West?) Timor shouldn’t be handed over to Indonesia in the mid-1970s. I haven’t seen Chomsky in the newspapers much since.
Baytch did more than one replication using J1J2, and each estimate was tighter than 5-9%. She counted the public directory, the Harvard-internal online directory, Facebook pages, and alumni directories. The lowest number was 5% and the highest 9%, and all the intervals were of width 1-2. I gave the min/max range as that’s what I remembered and any of the sub-estimates would have only made the point stronger.
Those replication tests, individually and in toto, were consistent with (i.e. in the same range as) Ron’s estimate of 6-7 percent of the PSAT high scores, contradicting his claims of massive overrepresentation of Jews at Harvard vs NMS once the same method is used on both data sets.
That is Nurit Baytch’s key (and unanswered) argument. She refined it further in the paper by accounting for state by state differences in NMS cutoffs and representation at Harvard, among other analyses, but the basic problem for Ron’s argument is the above. Ron has spent 5 years talking about everything else including NB’s physical appearance, intelligence, ethnicity and personality, and other things from her paper besides the replication tests. His summary of the situation in the current Harvard admissions piece omits her main point, the replications, and contains (incorrect) arguments refuting other parts of her paper. What is needed is an explanation of why the J1-J2 replications are not devastating to his argument. e.g., if the J1J2 estimators undercount Harvard Jews, why wouldn’t they undercount NMS-Jews to a similar extent?
Ron and Baytch derive different estimates (25% and ~13%) from the Crimson survey with 9.5% self-reported Jews. As it happens, Baytch’s method is much better there too. But it does not touch the matter of “replication failure”.
Ron refused to answer my questions about this in the Harvard admission thread, based on the non sequitur that something or other is wrong with me, as though (even if true) that could be an answer to calculations by a third party.
With regard to the slander of Lipstadt, things I remember at the moment are the claim that she used the Soviet estimate of 4 million dead at Auschwitz, when in fact she made of point of stating that nobody considers that number credible but it appeared on a plaque at the memorial site; and the claim that she dramatically calls someone the “godfather” of American holocaust denial (this word does not appear in the book). Of course there is also generalized invective about her hysterics, incompetence and knowledge limited to History 101 classes at college. But the factual claims about her book are wrong.
I have not seen anything personal from Baytch to Unz except that when he called her too dumb to understand simple algebra, she pointed out that she was a Harvard summa cum laude physics graduate and Ron only a magna. If you know a more serious example let us know, and also how it compares to Ron’s remarks about her.
Gives new meaning to the term “nuclear football.”
Pretty horrible human being and a kook. Thought he was a messiah. Being born on Christmas day had something to do with it.
All in the Family was a copy of a British show.
Des, it’s okay. He’s probably just annoyed and lashing out a bit—some individuals hate to be pinned down when caught in inconsistencies, plus the overall topic is sensitive. I don’t wish him ill will, though I certainly feel I have the right to challenge him on things of import he writes in this forum.
What a joke. His GAB was a veritable fetish shrine to Adolf Hitler, he was fanatically anti-Israel and his first post was one advertising this Unzian documentary:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/14/hellstorm-the-documentary/
No, if you follow the thread up you’ll see why you are wrong. I never said “all”. I was initially a bit vague but apologised and clarified. And I gave you your example. A perfect one. You can find more scattered throughout this site or you can pretend to yourself that I wrote it and ignore the others…up to you.
Look, anyone interested in this off-topic issue should take a look at the long comment-thread of my recent article on exactly this subject:
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/
That Nurit person wrote an exceptionally long and totally convoluted 20,000 word GoogleDoc word-salad that nobody published, and instead of putting it up in a readable HTML form on a website, she left it as a GoogleDoc, making it inconvenient for people to easily review.
One of her central claims was that the Harvard Hillel numbers that all mainstream scholars and media outlets had always used for decades were totally fraudulent. She made this remarkable claim apparently based on her alleged analysis of non-public data-sets that outsiders don’t have access to.
Fortunately, near the very beginning of her huge word-salad, she also quoted an undergraduate student survey published in the Harvard Crimson that *exactly* matched the Hillel numbers, without even realizing that she’d totally destroyed her own argument.
Then this silly “academic gossip” fellow came along and published several comments denouncing me for having ignored a public Princeton university website that proved I was wrong in my estimates. So I located the link he’d provided in one of his comments, took a few minutes to perform Weyl analysis, and discovered that the results were *absolutely* consistent with the public Princeton Hillel figures I’d used. This demonstrated “academic gossip” hadn’t even bothered looking at the data of the website he claimed unmasked me as a me a fraud. After that, I stopped paying much attention to him.
Everyone knows these fanatic Jewish-activist types are pretty “excitable” about all sorts of things relating to Jews…
I also noticed that someone upthread had denounced me for closing the “Holocaust Denial” comment thread. After a month or so it had reached over 2,300 comments, the longest ever on this website, and people were reasonably complaining that the HTML page was getting too big to load in their browser, thereby preventing newcomers from reading the article or the comments. To avoid that I closed the thread.
No its fueled by an illegitimate alawite dictator that came to power through a military coup , who represents 10% of the population and has a history of massacres of his population going back to 1980s hama massacres that killed 25,000 in one month alone.
He is protected by the largest occupying force on Earth, Russia , that despite being the largest country on earth still is not satiated and occupies Kaliningrad, Crimea , Dagestan,Chechnya and now Syria.