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From the Baltimore Sun:

Baltimore Police officers shot at Sunday night, second time in past week

Justin Fenton, August 28, 2017

… Baltimore Police have shot three people this year, far fewer than at this time in recent years. Nine people had been shot at this time in 2016; seven at this point in 2015; eight at this time in 2014; and 13 at this time in 2013.

In a tweet, Fenton extends his list of Baltimore police shootings through August backward:

2012 11

2011 10

2010 9

2009 11

So, Baltimore 2017 counts as a triumph of Black Lives Matter.

On the other hand, Baltimore has had 237 homicides so far in 2017 (which projects out to over 350 for the year), versus 318 in all of 2016, 344 in all of 2015 (the year of Freddie Gray), 211 in all of 2014, and 235 in all of 2013.

Here’s a question inspired by Baltimore: Nationally, have more blacks been murdered by other blacks due to the Ferguson Effect in the three years since Black Lives Matter emerged than were lynched in the entire history of the United States?

If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care and more electronic surveillance making it harder to get away with murder … have the incremental above-trendline number of blacks murdered by other blacks since Ferguson three years ago exceeded the number lynched in history?

The NAACP says that 3,446 blacks were lynched in American history.

According to the FBI, murders and nonnegligent manslaughters increased from 13,594 in 2014 to 15,192 in 2015. (Statistics for 2016 are expected in late September 2017.)

The professional association of the big city police chiefs reports that homicides in the 30 biggest member cities were 29% higher in 2016 than in 2014, with increases of about 13% in both 2015 over 2014 and 2016 over 2015, with the first half of 2017 being up a few percent over the same period in 2016.

A lot of evidence suggests that the murder spike over the last three years has been largely confined to heavily black cities. If all of the increase in homicides post-Ferguson has been blacks killing blacks, then the incremental number of black deaths since Ferguson must by now be over 5,000, or at least 1.5 times the total number of blacks lynched ever.

Many thousands of additional murdered blacks sounds pretty bad. But that’s just my reprllent opinion. For a more respectable perspective on all the dead black bodies with holes in them that have been piling up since the advent of #BlackLivesMatter, here’s the New York Times:

Deconstructing the ‘Ferguson Effect’

By SHAILA DEWAN MARCH 29, 2017

The idea that the police have retreated under siege will not go away. But even if it’s true, is it necessarily bad?

… Is It a Bad Thing?

What if the police are pulling back not because they feel under siege, but because the protests have made them more sensitive to community concerns? What if they are just doing what the critics want?

It is possible to draw that conclusion from a new, yet-to-be-published study of 118 police departments in Missouri by Professor Pyrooz and his co-authors.

The number of traffic stops, car searches and arrests declined from 2014, the year Mr. Brown was killed, to 2015, especially in communities with a larger share of African-Americans. When the police did conduct a search, they were more likely to find contraband, suggesting that they were using better judgment. The changes were unrelated to fluctuations in crime.

Scholars like to call such pullbacks “de-policing,” which sounds like something no community would want. But Professor Pyrooz argues, “Some places are overpoliced, and de-policing is actually a good thing.”

That’s the final line in the NYT article.

 
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  1. “The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched.”

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

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    • Replies: @yyrvjh
    You can do whatever you like. That includes misspelling English words and trampling on the rule of law.
    , @jimmyriddle
    Not unless you don't care about due process.
    , @Tiny Duck
    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many
    , @Wilbur Hassenfus
    Apples to apples, no small number of the current crop are gang bangers shooting each other.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.
    , @AndrewR
    It's hard to say how many were due to the lack of due process given them by barbaric southerners.
    , @Sajmon
    Barry Latzer implying here that lynching in the South might actually have been a response to black criminality:

    "In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching (...)"

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-cultural-roots-of-crime/487583/

    Awfully close to thoughtcrime.

    , @Olorin
    It's a interesting question. People immediately jump up to scream MUH CONSTITUTION at you merely hinting that "lynching" might be a term deployed for strategic and tactical reasons while toppling earlier statuary of public order under the law as it existed in those cases' times and places.

    For starters, I have never seen the NAACP provide a complete legal and historic dossier on each and every one of those diverse 3,446 cases. They are presented with a tag-word--"lynching"--that asserts a fundamental equivalence that is not to be questioned in any way ever.

    Were any conducted with a measure of due process that was recognized by, say, local, county, or state law?

    But, say, never turned into a legal and media circus with the help of The Usual Suspects at the bar (both legal and the sort whereunto reporters repair to do drink beer and brag about their propaganda mongering)?

    Like it or not, it was not always the case that the (((NAACP, ACLU, SPLC))) and similar organizations determined what was and wasn't legal from its towers in faraway urban hives.

    In fact I'd argue that the main impetus behind "civil" "rights" in the first place was to shift US law into a very restricted set of hands, using the violent and self destructive behavior of blacks as a sort of shock and awe approach to implementing ahistorical legalistic fundamentalism.

    Kind of like sharia law, only with more lox...and if my experience is any guide, more bacon.

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  2. yyrvjh says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    You can do whatever you like. That includes misspelling English words and trampling on the rule of law.

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    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    I'm not sure how you get trampling the rule of law. If you are lynching people for capital crimes you are following the rule of law, namely applying the legally recognized punishment for a legally recognized crime.

    It certainly isn't due process, but I'm not sure how relevant that is- that would require the lynch mob to have a higher false positive rate then the police. Unless you think the Southern juries were less likely to vote for the death penalty then lynch mobs, your complaint is that they should have spent a couple extra days before they killed someone. Maybe you think they should have had a modern police department a century ago?
    , @Truth
    LOL
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    Thanks, Desiderious.
    From the link you posted, by Anis Shvani...
    "I didn’t come around to disliking identity politics recently. Long before the 2016 election, 15 years ago in fact, I predicted the kind of white identitarian politics that eventually came to fruition in the last election. It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves"

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve's been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?
    , @anon
    It's quite interesting. Its an intelligent article. The comments were a surprise. First, there was more support for his position than I expected. But the negative comments tended to be especially lame.

    His example of the 'dreamers' is interesting. Let's hope that someone in the Republican Party figures out that the 'dreamers' are willing to sell out other identity groups.
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  4. @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    Not unless you don’t care about due process.

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    I care about justice.

    Lawyers and judges have taken due process to be their own little ball park and I as a regular citizen have been not only told but ordered to shut up and do what they say. Since I am not part of the due process system I will worry about justice since the lawyers and judges don't care about that. As long as their due process system chugs along they would happily hang a saint and free a devil.
    , @Alden
    Due process has been stretched way, way, too far. For instance vicious black thugs who abuse students and teachers and can't be expelled because of due process.
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  5. In reality, blacks don’t care about getting killed by other blacks. This is similar to the behavior of their co-racials in West Africa: It is supreme offense if other tribe’s member slights your tribesman. But, killings within a tribe are fair game, no big fuss about that.

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    In reality, blacks don’t care about getting killed by other blacks.

    Ferguson, Mo. is filled with black wage-earner homeowners who certainly did not benefit from all the undocumented shopping going on. The attention these people got from the media was about nil. These people are also politically quiescent - see the composition of the municipal council and executive in Ferguson.

    Most people you cannot readily mobilize politically. The megaphone's in the hands of a bourgeois minority who have their own personal issues - see Marilyn Mosby - interacting with gentry liberals who have their personal issues (see Thos. Sowell's Vision of the Anointed for an explanation). The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they 'don't care' about their dead neighbors. It's that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have. They do respond to certain emotional triggers on occasion.

    The new Mayor of Baltimore is unusual inasmuch as she's the issue of the business community rather than the bar or the school district apparat (who have provided all the mayors who have sat in that chair since 1959). Alas, she has the same mentality every other party influential in city politics has, which is why her 'plan' to address public disorder is to spend mo' money on community colleges.

    , @james wilson
    Thucydides reported that murder was considered a normal part of living in the German tribes, and was so commonly a result of excessive partying that this resulted in only a financial judgement being placed upon the perp which was acceptable to the victims family. Survival of the species through various unnatural selections in the Middle Ages later had quite the effect upon Europeans.
    , @Truth

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.
     
    No, white people here don't seem to comment much on the %88 of whites killed by whites either. They are insignificant. You and BLM are pretty close.
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  6. Polynikes says:

    I find this one of the most interesting observations of this blog. Numbers seem to be there, and so is the causation of you by into this like the broken windows theory.

    But my question would be this: is Trump’s DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?

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    Should they?

    Blacks broke it; they bought it.
    , @bomag

    is Trump’s DOJ not trying to fix this?
     
    DOJ has been throwing money and policy at this problem since way back. Maybe it is time to look elsewhere for solutions.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    But my question would be this: is Trump’s DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?
     
    You can't fix Black. Any attempt by Trump's DOJ to address this problem within the current ideological framework would just result in more cucking out in DR3-mode. The only real solutions are these.

    1. We can deport the Blacks somewhere else, preferably Africa.
    2. We can keep them on plantations and in ghettos, separated from White society.
    3. We can allow them to terrorize us in the name of fictitious racial justice.

    The entire history of race relations in America since the Civil Rights Era has involved a tacit agreement to embrace Option 3, since 1 and 2 would require too much political will and would interfere with muh feelz and muh money making. It's all just been one big lie and by now a lot of people know it.

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  7. Re: “a good thing”

    When I watch “The First 48″ and one or more gang-bangers kill other gang-bangers,
    and are caught and put away, I see that as a “win-win”.

    Same for “the Ferguson effect”.

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  8. Kirt says:

    Love how you’ve embraced “reprllent”. From henceforth you are the reprllent Steve Sailer.

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    And capitalize it, like it's his title, instead of Prince So and so -- or a judge is The Honorable so and so, etc. Just as we are We The Deplorables, he's The Reprllent Steve Sailer.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    Sailer, you reprllent bastard!

    :)
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  9. Tiny Duck says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    The Blck Many.
    , @fish

    Yeah.....dat right! Blck Many Be a playah!

    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @Peripatetic commenter

    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many
     
    Maybe that's true but she probably ended up like this girl:

    https://dailykenn.blogspot.com/2016/08/white-girl-kidnapped-raped-shot-and.html

    By the way, did you misspell Black Meany?
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  10. DJF says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Not unless you don't care about due process.

    I care about justice.

    Lawyers and judges have taken due process to be their own little ball park and I as a regular citizen have been not only told but ordered to shut up and do what they say. Since I am not part of the due process system I will worry about justice since the lawyers and judges don’t care about that. As long as their due process system chugs along they would happily hang a saint and free a devil.

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  11. @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    Apples to apples, no small number of the current crop are gang bangers shooting each other.

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  12. watson79 says:

    The black reaction to increased crime reminds me of nationalist movements in the third world. Think of countries run by whites that gain independence. The corruption, oppression, and degeneracy that follow are simply ignored. Some may complain, but no movement ever emerges to restore white tutelage.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The whites in charge of such things don't want the burden. That's why they promote mediocre blacks who hate whites.
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  13. Professor David Pyrooz

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    http://www.colorado.edu/sociology/david-pyrooz

    Research Interests

    Gangs and criminal networks
    Incarceration and offender reentry
    Crime trends and life course criminology
    Criminal justice policy and practice

    Biography

    David Pyrooz is Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder. He is also a faculty associate in the Problem Behavior and Positive Youth Development Program in the Institute of Behavioral Science. He received the BS and MS in Criminology from California State University, Fresno, and the PhD in Criminology and Criminal Justice from Arizona State University in 2012. Prior to joining the Department of Sociology in 2015, he was a faculty member in the College of Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University. He was the 2015 recipient of the inaugural New Scholar Award from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences and the 2016 recipient of the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar award from the American Society of Criminology. He is the co-author of Confronting Gangs: Crime and Community (Oxford), the co-editor of The Wiley Handbook of Gangs (Wiley-Blackwell), and the author of a National Institute of Justice white paper on the relationship between gang affiliation and restrictive housing in U.S. prisons.

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    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    More on Prof David Pyrooz

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2008/04/29/cardroom-regulars-slaying-mystifies-police/

    Apparently his own Iranian grandfather Hooshang “David” Pyrooz was the murder victim of a "robbery gone wrong/random act" in the words of his then adjunct professor grandson.

    “He hung out at Garden City a lot with his friends,” said his son David Pyrooz, 25, an adjunct professor of criminology at Fresno State University. “That was eventually the cause of his demise.

    “To me, it looks more like a random act. We’re trying to reach our own determination.”
     
    So yeah Pyrooz just may be OK with De-policing, because he values his comfy tenure and being on the right side with the NYT over losing even a close family member.
    , @Joe Sweet

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???
     

    There are tons of Iranian Jews. Many came to my home town of Seattle after the Ayatollah took over in '79. Probably many more went to LA and other cities with prosperous Jewish communities.

    I wouldn't knock Pyrooz's knowledge of the ghetto/barrio just because of his current view of it from Boulder. Judging from his CV he seems to have spent his entire academic career in: 48% Black and Hispanic Huntsville TX, 47% Hispanic Fresno, and 47% Hispanic and Black Phoenix. There's also his implied knowledge of urban New Jersey (did he grow up around there?) with the reference to the murder of his grandfather you mentioned in your follow-up comment.

    , @Darryl Licht
    With Mr. Pyrooz's San Jose and Central Valley background I would suspect that he is Assyrian.
    , @FactsAreImportant
    The Pyrooz paper about Ferguson was discussed in Steve's comment section before. It is flawed in many ways. The most egregious flaw is that it does not model a discrete shift in crime at the Ferguson date. I suspect that adding a dummy variable at the Ferguson date would produce a statistically significant result showing that there was an immediate Ferguson effect.

    Anyone out there willing to do some statistical work should rerun his model and add that dummy variable. There should be a publishable paper there.

    Pyrooz's data is here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/36122
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  14. @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

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    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period.
     
    Yes, people nowadays act as if blacks were the exclusive victims of lynching. Apparently, they are unaware that the term was (perhaps) first used to describe suppression of royalists by an american revolutionary soldier, or that it was not uncommon in the old west. Hasn't anybody seen "The Oxbow Incident" or "Hang 'em High"? Those stories didn't come from nowhere.
    , @Art Deco
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed 'capital crimes' are committed by blacks, not 70%.
    , @Anonymous
    According to the NAACP, of people lynched, 73 percent were black. Most lynchings occurred in the South, which has a high percentage of blacks per population.

    My question is this: Does the percentage of people lynched by race roughly track high violent crime rates by blacks that we see even today?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then there is also blacks lynching blacks:


    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6
    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent's promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

     

    , @FactsAreImportant
    Source?
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  15. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    Steve takes it for granted that the spike in Baltimore homicides is largely a feature of the city’s black population.

    He’s right, of course.

    Most readers here probably understand that intuitively.

    Nevertheless, in the interests of full scientific disclosure, I have collected here some pretty striking Baltimore geo-spatial data on just this point: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/bad-habits/

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    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    You're right, not surprising to this reader. But I didn't know anything about the specifics of Baltimore. Nice maps and work.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    via James laFond's site, this Baltimore story about properties which are unsellable due to huge liens for unpaid taxes and fines.

    For Sale: Boarded-up, crumbling former corner store assessed at $5,000. Price: $1.76 million

    It's pretty iSteveish, from Mr Rosenthal closing his food market and getting out in 1965 to newer residents like retired day-care worker Catherine Mwimbi .
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  16. @Tiny Duck
    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many

    The Blck Many.

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    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Tiny Duck is a Prwd Blck Many.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Yep. The Blck Many vs the White Few.
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  17. MattW says:

    Averaging 2009 to 2014 gives 10.333 cop killings, and 149.2 murders through August.

    Averaging 2015, 16, 17 gives 6.333 cop killings and 228.333 murders through August.

    That’s a difference of 4 and 79.2 or essentially 20 murders per cop killing.

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    • Replies: @Bubba
    Good point, so less policing leads to less police deaths yet far more deaths in the "general" population (but concentrating in the black community). Makes sense, the police have been used too long as social workers for the most dysfunctional, anti-social, violent group in America.
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  18. AndrewR says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    It’s hard to say how many were due to the lack of due process given them by barbaric southerners.

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  20. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many

    Yeah…..dat right! Blck Many Be a playah!

    - Leonard Pitts

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  21. First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today’s crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.
    Second WTF cares so sick of blacks they are hopeless and need to be sent back to africa not endlessly thought about, there’s nothing to think about as a group they are half men half ape it’s sad that some talented tenth will be caught up in the repatriation, However its not like they haven’t had a couple hundred years to take control of their people, and it wouldn’t be ethical to skim of their only hope. They have gained a full standard deviation or more of IQ from white hybridization to take back to africa with them they ought to be able to take over the joint, but again WTF cares. Just go.

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    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today’s crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.

    Interesting idea. Could you please show your work?
    , @Ed
    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.

    There's a sense of betrayal.
    , @Father O'Hara
    So Colleen,tell me about yourself. Come here often?
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  22. AndrewR says:
    @Polynikes
    I find this one of the most interesting observations of this blog. Numbers seem to be there, and so is the causation of you by into this like the broken windows theory.

    But my question would be this: is Trump's DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?

    Should they?

    Blacks broke it; they bought it.

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  23. “Some places are overpoliced, and de-policing is actually a good thing.”

    Movin’ On Up!

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  24. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Professor David Pyrooz

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    http://www.colorado.edu/sociology/david-pyrooz

    Research Interests

    Gangs and criminal networks
    Incarceration and offender reentry
    Crime trends and life course criminology
    Criminal justice policy and practice

    Biography

    David Pyrooz is Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder. He is also a faculty associate in the Problem Behavior and Positive Youth Development Program in the Institute of Behavioral Science. He received the BS and MS in Criminology from California State University, Fresno, and the PhD in Criminology and Criminal Justice from Arizona State University in 2012. Prior to joining the Department of Sociology in 2015, he was a faculty member in the College of Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University. He was the 2015 recipient of the inaugural New Scholar Award from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences and the 2016 recipient of the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar award from the American Society of Criminology. He is the co-author of Confronting Gangs: Crime and Community (Oxford), the co-editor of The Wiley Handbook of Gangs (Wiley-Blackwell), and the author of a National Institute of Justice white paper on the relationship between gang affiliation and restrictive housing in U.S. prisons.
     

    More on Prof David Pyrooz

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2008/04/29/cardroom-regulars-slaying-mystifies-police/

    Apparently his own Iranian grandfather Hooshang “David” Pyrooz was the murder victim of a “robbery gone wrong/random act” in the words of his then adjunct professor grandson.

    “He hung out at Garden City a lot with his friends,” said his son David Pyrooz, 25, an adjunct professor of criminology at Fresno State University. “That was eventually the cause of his demise.

    “To me, it looks more like a random act. We’re trying to reach our own determination.”

    So yeah Pyrooz just may be OK with De-policing, because he values his comfy tenure and being on the right side with the NYT over losing even a close family member.

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  25. George says:

    The article assumes Obama policing decisions were the result of ideology. More likely the US is slouching toward a financial crisis. So cutting unnecessary police is a consequence of spending decisions that predate Obama, specifically the Global Wars Everywhere. The hope was that businessman Trump would attempt to get control of miloyary spending but that does not seem to be the case.

    Hat tip pensiontsunami.com:

    Chicago has more retired police and firefighters than working – WP Original

    http://www.wirepoints.com/upside-down-demographics-of-chicago-public-safety-pensions-wp-original/

    Your Periodic Reminder That the V-22 Is a Piece of Junk
    Military tiltrotor still doesn’t work, still costs too much

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/your-periodic-reminder-that-the-v-22-is-a-piece-of-junk-db72a8a23ccf

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    Numbers aren't the problem. There weren't mass layoffs in the last two years. It was Obama's doj coming in and instituting civil rights cases on these police departments.
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  26. bomag says:
    @Polynikes
    I find this one of the most interesting observations of this blog. Numbers seem to be there, and so is the causation of you by into this like the broken windows theory.

    But my question would be this: is Trump's DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?

    is Trump’s DOJ not trying to fix this?

    DOJ has been throwing money and policy at this problem since way back. Maybe it is time to look elsewhere for solutions.

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  27. @yyrvjh
    You can do whatever you like. That includes misspelling English words and trampling on the rule of law.

    I’m not sure how you get trampling the rule of law. If you are lynching people for capital crimes you are following the rule of law, namely applying the legally recognized punishment for a legally recognized crime.

    It certainly isn’t due process, but I’m not sure how relevant that is- that would require the lynch mob to have a higher false positive rate then the police. Unless you think the Southern juries were less likely to vote for the death penalty then lynch mobs, your complaint is that they should have spent a couple extra days before they killed someone. Maybe you think they should have had a modern police department a century ago?

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    What has become of "due process" is now, often, just "process". On the whole, I am opposed to lynch-law. It is generally a bad idea. Of course, the judicial system is opposed to it because it encroaches upon their power and prerogatives. Just as they are opposed to jury nullification. While I don't trust justice meted out by mobs, it seems clear to me that one would also be a fool to trust justice meted out by the judicial system (i.e., the state).
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  28. The idea that the police have retreated under siege will not go away. But even if it’s true, …

    This is pretty funny.

    “It will not go away! Even though it may be true! I am outraged!”

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  29. Do we know the black community prefers less policing but more homicides in the community?

    Or is idea of blacks actully wanting more policing too contrary to the narrative to be considered?

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  30. I think the real question is why do dangerous cities need police at all? Then there would be NO police shootings at all.

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  31. @Tiny Duck
    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many

    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many

    Maybe that’s true but she probably ended up like this girl:

    https://dailykenn.blogspot.com/2016/08/white-girl-kidnapped-raped-shot-and.html

    By the way, did you misspell Black Meany?

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    Well.....it seems safe to assume that if there's crime occurring somebody named Da’Shaun will be in close proximity.
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  32. If all of the increase in homicides post-Ferguson has been blacks killing blacks, then the incremental number of black deaths since Ferguson must by now be over 5,000, or at least 1.5 times the total number of blacks lynched ever.

    I Have A Dream…

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  33. @Polynikes
    I find this one of the most interesting observations of this blog. Numbers seem to be there, and so is the causation of you by into this like the broken windows theory.

    But my question would be this: is Trump's DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?

    But my question would be this: is Trump’s DOJ not trying to fix this? Can they?

    You can’t fix Black. Any attempt by Trump’s DOJ to address this problem within the current ideological framework would just result in more cucking out in DR3-mode. The only real solutions are these.

    1. We can deport the Blacks somewhere else, preferably Africa.
    2. We can keep them on plantations and in ghettos, separated from White society.
    3. We can allow them to terrorize us in the name of fictitious racial justice.

    The entire history of race relations in America since the Civil Rights Era has involved a tacit agreement to embrace Option 3, since 1 and 2 would require too much political will and would interfere with muh feelz and muh money making. It’s all just been one big lie and by now a lot of people know it.

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  34. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The black community is divided on this. There’s a substantial segment who hate the gangbangers and the terror they create. Being a policeman is considered by them to be a good, honorable job. They’re outnumbered by those who are connected to the welfare and crime as a way of life underclass. The latter have been championed by the white liberal-left who pretend to be their allies. Most of these race related demonstrations have as many, or more, whites in attendance as blacks. Considering the price blacks are paying for all this we can see that the wrong faction of blacks are being supported. Perhaps a black-style Duarte type program could be used to clean things up. Deputize the local black church members, issue them arms, and assign them the job of bagging one gangbanger per day (identifiable through their gang tattoos) for a bounty. Support the right blacks, not the wrong ones.

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    And if it's all so simple, pray tell, how can one distinguish between the right blacks from the wrong ones?
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  35. Art Deco says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    In reality, blacks don't care about getting killed by other blacks. This is similar to the behavior of their co-racials in West Africa: It is supreme offense if other tribe's member slights your tribesman. But, killings within a tribe are fair game, no big fuss about that.

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.

    In reality, blacks don’t care about getting killed by other blacks.

    Ferguson, Mo. is filled with black wage-earner homeowners who certainly did not benefit from all the undocumented shopping going on. The attention these people got from the media was about nil. These people are also politically quiescent – see the composition of the municipal council and executive in Ferguson.

    Most people you cannot readily mobilize politically. The megaphone’s in the hands of a bourgeois minority who have their own personal issues – see Marilyn Mosby – interacting with gentry liberals who have their personal issues (see Thos. Sowell’s Vision of the Anointed for an explanation). The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they ‘don’t care’ about their dead neighbors. It’s that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have. They do respond to certain emotional triggers on occasion.

    The new Mayor of Baltimore is unusual inasmuch as she’s the issue of the business community rather than the bar or the school district apparat (who have provided all the mayors who have sat in that chair since 1959). Alas, she has the same mentality every other party influential in city politics has, which is why her ‘plan’ to address public disorder is to spend mo’ money on community colleges.

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    The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they ‘don’t care’ about their dead neighbors. It’s that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have.
     
    Or, to put it another way, they don't care.

    Idiot.
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  36. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    “Some places are overpoliced, and de-policing is actually a good thing.”

    Sounds like ‘de-licing’.

    At any rate, I agree. Let the police retreat and have blacks let the bodies roll.

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  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius
    Steve:

    https://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/time-to-give-up-on-identity-politics-its-dragging-the-progressive-agenda-down/

    Thanks, Desiderious.
    From the link you posted, by Anis Shvani…
    “I didn’t come around to disliking identity politics recently. Long before the 2016 election, 15 years ago in fact, I predicted the kind of white identitarian politics that eventually came to fruition in the last election. It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves”

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?

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    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?
     
    And the talking point that the carnage unleashed by the Ferguson Effect has probably outnumbered by now the total number of lynchings in all US history is something I came up with months ago **preen**
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  38. Ben Gunn says:

    You would have to compare the spread between murders and nonnegligent manslaughters during the period of lynching to the Fergeson to present period and adjust for change in overall population size to get a good figure.

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  39. Jack D says:

    The homicide rate, though important (of utmost importance to the victims and their families) is not the only measure of quality of life, so in concept such a thing as “overpolicing” could really exist. (Whether places like Baltimore were really “overpoliced” pre-BLM is another question). The homicide rate went (way) up in post Soviet Russia but on the whole people had more freedom and opportunity than before so it was a good thing that the Soviet system collapsed.

    The other aspect to why black communities are not super upset by the increase in homicide is that a lot of this is intra-gang violence. If you remain in the gang life long enough you will either die violently or end up in prison so a lot of these murders are just time shifting. And in any case, these deaths are not really felt as a big loss to the community. Of course if the po-po kill the same gang banger, THAT’s a big loss.

    Blacks in general seem to have more acceptance of premature death, even violent death, than is found in the white community because it’s just more common in their community. It’s not like it’s some unheard of thing. The improvement in homicide rates in recent years was nice for their community but it wasn’t really life altering except for the immediately affected.

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    This is sort of what I have observed - the overall rate is not viewed as a problem so long as the people getting killed more or less had it coming. When I lived in a black neighborhood in a major East Coast city and we were in the middle of a surge in killings nearby, the view of most of my black neighbors seemed to be that it was just criminals killing other criminals and we're all probably better off as a result. And basically they were right - most inner city homicide victims are criminals themselves and were involved in some sort of petty dispute that led to targeted violence.
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  40. Hockamaw says:

    It’s these kinds of oservations that make iSteve the most indespensable publication of our time.

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  41. RW says:

    Steve, shouldn’t you apply the rule of proportionality and calculate these deaths on a per capita basis? You would see a much smaller comparative post-Ferguson effect that way.

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    otoh, it's <3 years versus 150+ years (or so),
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  42. Big Bill says:

    The NAACP quit tabulating lynchings when blacks took over the daily lynching business.

    Remember the Official NAACP Lynching definition:

    1. Three (or more) people gather to …

    2. Extrajudicially kill someone for …

    3. Offending community mores (dissing, acting uppity, wearing the wrong colors, etc.)

    Blacks lynch blacks on an everyday basis, only we call it things like “gang violence” or “mean streets”.

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    I think the database of lynchings was built by Tuskeegee Institute, not the NAACP. They later passed on the archive to UMKC.

    Whoever does seem to have been recording matters does seem to have used a fuzzy definition during the post-war period. The murder of three members of the Congress of Racial Equality in 1964 has been included, and, if I'm not mistaken, Emmett Till's murder in 1955. None was accused of any crime, nor were any in custody. Till's murder was peculiar (local merchants do not usually kidnap and kill unknown adolescents for petty reasons) but it was just two men angry with him. The murder of the CORE chaps was a pre-planned political killing, and, while a gang was chasing them down and buried the bodies, the actual killing was done by two people.
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  43. Logan says:

    “The NAACP says that 3,446 blacks were lynched in American history.”

    True, they do say that. However, their count starts only in 1882. A good bit of American history, and quite a few lynchings of black people, took place before then.

    One famous case being addressed by A. Lincoln in his very first public speech in 1838.

    A free black man was seized by a mob and burned alive. Though he was indisputably guilty of the crime that inflamed the mob.

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm

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    What do you think of Lincoln's comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder? Doesn't sound very nice. And he says nothing of the guilt of the man burned alive.
    , @wrd9
    Regarding interracial crimes, there are many more whites murdered by blacks every year than blacks being murdered by whites. About 200 more. And very heinous murders they can be such as being burned alive.
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  44. Arclight says:
    @Jack D
    The homicide rate, though important (of utmost importance to the victims and their families) is not the only measure of quality of life, so in concept such a thing as "overpolicing" could really exist. (Whether places like Baltimore were really "overpoliced" pre-BLM is another question). The homicide rate went (way) up in post Soviet Russia but on the whole people had more freedom and opportunity than before so it was a good thing that the Soviet system collapsed.

    The other aspect to why black communities are not super upset by the increase in homicide is that a lot of this is intra-gang violence. If you remain in the gang life long enough you will either die violently or end up in prison so a lot of these murders are just time shifting. And in any case, these deaths are not really felt as a big loss to the community. Of course if the po-po kill the same gang banger, THAT's a big loss.

    Blacks in general seem to have more acceptance of premature death, even violent death, than is found in the white community because it's just more common in their community. It's not like it's some unheard of thing. The improvement in homicide rates in recent years was nice for their community but it wasn't really life altering except for the immediately affected.

    This is sort of what I have observed – the overall rate is not viewed as a problem so long as the people getting killed more or less had it coming. When I lived in a black neighborhood in a major East Coast city and we were in the middle of a surge in killings nearby, the view of most of my black neighbors seemed to be that it was just criminals killing other criminals and we’re all probably better off as a result. And basically they were right – most inner city homicide victims are criminals themselves and were involved in some sort of petty dispute that led to targeted violence.

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  45. Sajmon says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    Barry Latzer implying here that lynching in the South might actually have been a response to black criminality:

    “In the South, however, black violent crime rose and rural whites panicked, leading to the lynching (…)”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-cultural-roots-of-crime/487583/

    Awfully close to thoughtcrime.

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  46. fish says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Let me guess the white girl you had a crush on rejected you and had romantic relations with a Blck Many
     
    Maybe that's true but she probably ended up like this girl:

    https://dailykenn.blogspot.com/2016/08/white-girl-kidnapped-raped-shot-and.html

    By the way, did you misspell Black Meany?

    Well…..it seems safe to assume that if there’s crime occurring somebody named Da’Shaun will be in close proximity.

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  47. @Ben Kurtz
    Steve takes it for granted that the spike in Baltimore homicides is largely a feature of the city's black population.

    He's right, of course.

    Most readers here probably understand that intuitively.

    Nevertheless, in the interests of full scientific disclosure, I have collected here some pretty striking Baltimore geo-spatial data on just this point: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/bad-habits/

    You’re right, not surprising to this reader. But I didn’t know anything about the specifics of Baltimore. Nice maps and work.

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  48. @Logan
    "The NAACP says that 3,446 blacks were lynched in American history."

    True, they do say that. However, their count starts only in 1882. A good bit of American history, and quite a few lynchings of black people, took place before then.

    One famous case being addressed by A. Lincoln in his very first public speech in 1838.

    A free black man was seized by a mob and burned alive. Though he was indisputably guilty of the crime that inflamed the mob.

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm

    What do you think of Lincoln’s comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder? Doesn’t sound very nice. And he says nothing of the guilt of the man burned alive.

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    The United States Political Violence Data Base (USPVDB) referenced by University of Connecticut Professor Peter Turchin sheds some light on the events referenced by the Lincoln speech.

    http://peterturchin.com/age-of-discord/united-states-political-violence-database/

    The first three recorded lynchings were of Tories during the years 1782 and 1784.

    In 1835, in Vicksburg, Mississippi, citizens sought to remove gamblers from town. Initially a couple of gamblers were “tarred and feathered” and run out of town, with other gamblers following them. However, some gamblers resisted and defended a gambling house and, during a gun battle, shot and killed a citizen. Thereafter, the 6 gamblers were captured and lynched.

    Also in 1835, as alluded to in Lincoln's speech, 7 blacks were lynched in 4 separate incidents after rumors spread of an imminent slave uprising. In 1836, 1 racial lynching is noted, but no evidence of mass lynchings of either a racial or political nature is found in the data base and a quick search for “lynching” in the years 1830-1838 in a historic newspapers data base finds no reference to any mass lynchings beyond those noted in the USPVDB.

    Interestingly, in 1838 in Mississippi, one newspaper reported that 2 white men were almost lynched, one on the testimony of a young black women who said she witnessed the crime, a robbery.

    The USPVDB documents about 100-110 racial lynchings prior to 1882.
    , @Logan
    I suspect his remarks regarding the vigilantes hanging gamblers had a little bit of hyperbole to it. I've never seen an accurate number, and I'd be kind of surprised if any has ever assembled one.

    With regard to the guilt of the Negro burned alive:

    -Similar too, is the correct reasoning, in regard to the burning of the negro at St. Louis. He had forfeited his life, by the perpetration of an outrageous murder, upon one of the most worthy and respectable citizens of the city; and had not he died as he did, he must have died by the sentence of the law, in a very short time afterwards. As to him alone, it was as well the way it was, as it could otherwise have been.--But the example in either case, was fearful.--When men take it in their heads to day, to hang gamblers, or burn murderers, they should recollect, that, in the confusion usually attending such transactions, they will be as likely to hang or burn some one who is neither.

    In which Lincoln, as usual, is entirely correct.
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  49. JSM says:
    @Kirt
    Love how you've embraced "reprllent". From henceforth you are the reprllent Steve Sailer.

    And capitalize it, like it’s his title, instead of Prince So and so — or a judge is The Honorable so and so, etc. Just as we are We The Deplorables, he’s The Reprllent Steve Sailer.

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  50. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    There’s a name the law enforcement community has for this phenomena of gang bangers killing each other and no one being overly concerned, it’s called “misdemeanor homicide”.

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  51. Scholars like to call such pullbacks “de-policing,” which sounds like something no community would want. But Professor Pyrooz argues, “Some places are overpoliced, and de-policing is actually a good thing.”

    Is the NYT really in the journalism trade anymore???

    Or is it in the business of signaling to those leading or simply trying desperately to hold on to a middle class existence in academia, the Fortune 1000, the public sector just where the Overton window is heading next.

    “De-policing” may sound comical or bat guano grade Orwellian nonsense or at best some word that Steve Sailer came up between 2012-2014.

    But today, “Depolicing” is exactly what the NYT and the rest of the Cultural Marxist media is calling for.

    BLM and AntiFa needs room to destroy!!!

    And heaven forbid if you are a school teacher, cubicle monkey, or a public/civil servant and not willing to get on board this “Depolicing” crazy train.

    Lots of folks still read the NYT not for information or opinion or because they believe anything it has to say. They read it for the same reason Stalin era Russians read Pravda, out of pure fear of being found on the wrong side of the shifting left-wing Overton window and out of a job.

    Those of us long outside of the public sector or the Fortune 1000 have no idea what it is like to work there anymore. For us we can delude ourselves that the Alt-right is really moving the Overton window to the right. And for us it is. But for everyone else whose jobs are at stake it is moving even further to the left.

    This is not going to end peacefully!!!

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  52. Abe says: • Website
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    Thanks, Desiderious.
    From the link you posted, by Anis Shvani...
    "I didn’t come around to disliking identity politics recently. Long before the 2016 election, 15 years ago in fact, I predicted the kind of white identitarian politics that eventually came to fruition in the last election. It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves"

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve's been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?

    And the talking point that the carnage unleashed by the Ferguson Effect has probably outnumbered by now the total number of lynchings in all US history is something I came up with months ago **preen**

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  53. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Doctor Pyrooz” is a hilarious name for a guy writing about black crime.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirus

    That Wikipedia article is kind of hilarious by itself:

    The Pirus soon joined with the Brims gang, a victim of the Crips attacks, and together in jail they created the Bloods starting at first of a way to address one another then new people who entered the LA county jail was asked by law enforcement “who do you run with Crips or the bloods”, those who were victimized by Crips joined the Pirus and Brims and ran with the Blood identity that’s how the Bloods gang was formed, note the bloods started in jail in LA County year 1974, Pirus and Brims formed on the streets, 1972.

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  54. @anonymous
    The black community is divided on this. There's a substantial segment who hate the gangbangers and the terror they create. Being a policeman is considered by them to be a good, honorable job. They're outnumbered by those who are connected to the welfare and crime as a way of life underclass. The latter have been championed by the white liberal-left who pretend to be their allies. Most of these race related demonstrations have as many, or more, whites in attendance as blacks. Considering the price blacks are paying for all this we can see that the wrong faction of blacks are being supported. Perhaps a black-style Duarte type program could be used to clean things up. Deputize the local black church members, issue them arms, and assign them the job of bagging one gangbanger per day (identifiable through their gang tattoos) for a bounty. Support the right blacks, not the wrong ones.

    And if it’s all so simple, pray tell, how can one distinguish between the right blacks from the wrong ones?

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    The right blacks dress smartly, walk confidently and speak clearly, like Kwame Kilpatrick or O.J. Simpson. The wrong blacks dress poorly, move shiftily and speak in unintelligible gibberish, like Willie Horton or Ta-Nahesi Coates.
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  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The Blck Many.

    Tiny Duck is a Prwd Blck Many.

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  56. Only the second time the police were shot at this week? Almost as peaceful a beat as Mosul.

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  57. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    In reality, blacks don’t care about getting killed by other blacks.

    Ferguson, Mo. is filled with black wage-earner homeowners who certainly did not benefit from all the undocumented shopping going on. The attention these people got from the media was about nil. These people are also politically quiescent - see the composition of the municipal council and executive in Ferguson.

    Most people you cannot readily mobilize politically. The megaphone's in the hands of a bourgeois minority who have their own personal issues - see Marilyn Mosby - interacting with gentry liberals who have their personal issues (see Thos. Sowell's Vision of the Anointed for an explanation). The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they 'don't care' about their dead neighbors. It's that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have. They do respond to certain emotional triggers on occasion.

    The new Mayor of Baltimore is unusual inasmuch as she's the issue of the business community rather than the bar or the school district apparat (who have provided all the mayors who have sat in that chair since 1959). Alas, she has the same mentality every other party influential in city politics has, which is why her 'plan' to address public disorder is to spend mo' money on community colleges.

    The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they ‘don’t care’ about their dead neighbors. It’s that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have.

    Or, to put it another way, they don’t care.

    Idiot.

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    They say they care, but they would rather black criminals run free than be chucked into whitey's justice system.

    They consider black cops traitors to blackness no matter how hard they work for their own. The corrupt or incompetent black cop, however, is seen as going over on the white man.

    Resentment is a powerful thing.
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  58. Mr. Anon says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    I'm not sure how you get trampling the rule of law. If you are lynching people for capital crimes you are following the rule of law, namely applying the legally recognized punishment for a legally recognized crime.

    It certainly isn't due process, but I'm not sure how relevant that is- that would require the lynch mob to have a higher false positive rate then the police. Unless you think the Southern juries were less likely to vote for the death penalty then lynch mobs, your complaint is that they should have spent a couple extra days before they killed someone. Maybe you think they should have had a modern police department a century ago?

    What has become of “due process” is now, often, just “process”. On the whole, I am opposed to lynch-law. It is generally a bad idea. Of course, the judicial system is opposed to it because it encroaches upon their power and prerogatives. Just as they are opposed to jury nullification. While I don’t trust justice meted out by mobs, it seems clear to me that one would also be a fool to trust justice meted out by the judicial system (i.e., the state).

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  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period.

    Yes, people nowadays act as if blacks were the exclusive victims of lynching. Apparently, they are unaware that the term was (perhaps) first used to describe suppression of royalists by an american revolutionary soldier, or that it was not uncommon in the old west. Hasn’t anybody seen “The Oxbow Incident” or “Hang ‘em High”? Those stories didn’t come from nowhere.

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    Hasn’t anybody seen “The Oxbow Incident” or “Hang ‘em High”? Those stories didn’t come from nowhere.

    You mean the 27-year-olds who work for newspapers and opinion journals? No, probably not. But you're right, lynchings were a staple plot in westerns. I never even realized they were supposed to be a racial thing until I was about twenty. Westerns are just sort of forgotten about now.

    That was the whole problem in the Jena 6 case. They apparently got the idea to hang the noose from an episode of the TV version of Lonesome Dove, and nobody who wrote up the news had ever heard of such a thing as a white person ever lynching another white.

    I guess the gap between the kind of people who would watch Lonesome Dove and the kind of people who wouldn't is just too great.

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  60. Joe Sweet says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Professor David Pyrooz

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    http://www.colorado.edu/sociology/david-pyrooz

    Research Interests

    Gangs and criminal networks
    Incarceration and offender reentry
    Crime trends and life course criminology
    Criminal justice policy and practice

    Biography

    David Pyrooz is Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder. He is also a faculty associate in the Problem Behavior and Positive Youth Development Program in the Institute of Behavioral Science. He received the BS and MS in Criminology from California State University, Fresno, and the PhD in Criminology and Criminal Justice from Arizona State University in 2012. Prior to joining the Department of Sociology in 2015, he was a faculty member in the College of Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University. He was the 2015 recipient of the inaugural New Scholar Award from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences and the 2016 recipient of the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar award from the American Society of Criminology. He is the co-author of Confronting Gangs: Crime and Community (Oxford), the co-editor of The Wiley Handbook of Gangs (Wiley-Blackwell), and the author of a National Institute of Justice white paper on the relationship between gang affiliation and restrictive housing in U.S. prisons.
     

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    There are tons of Iranian Jews. Many came to my home town of Seattle after the Ayatollah took over in ’79. Probably many more went to LA and other cities with prosperous Jewish communities.

    I wouldn’t knock Pyrooz’s knowledge of the ghetto/barrio just because of his current view of it from Boulder. Judging from his CV he seems to have spent his entire academic career in: 48% Black and Hispanic Huntsville TX, 47% Hispanic Fresno, and 47% Hispanic and Black Phoenix. There’s also his implied knowledge of urban New Jersey (did he grow up around there?) with the reference to the murder of his grandfather you mentioned in your follow-up comment.

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    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah. Think Beverly Hills (Shahs of Sunset, Bijan boutique, McMansions with big columns), Westwood (Teherangeles, Persian Square, just south of Steve's UCLA), Encino and other west San Fernando Valley areas. I had the pleasure of evicting some from a rental property in Encino. My buddy's comment was: "you got the best of both worlds." That being said, the more refined citizens tend to be smart and entrepreneurial, and many of the women are quite striking.
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  61. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

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    In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    But what is the percentage of capital crimes committed by blacks in the South and in urban areas (whose high black populations are a decent demographic proxy for the South historically).
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South.

    If so would that not be because Blacks were responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime in the South post 1885. That was time of the beginning of urbanization in the south and Jim Crow style segregation was not yet under way. Whites then as now, post segregation, increasingly found them up against black criminality but without the dominance of the Jewish/Cultural Marxist media to sweep it all under the rug.

    As many have speculated it was precisely Jim Crow segregation that lessen the need/tolerance for the lynching of blacks between 1885 and 1925.

    See http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2017/07/segregation-our-most-cherished-myths.html
    , @AnotherDad

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.
     
    C'mon Art it's the same essential vector--lawlessness.

    And while you are often bringing reasonable "reality check" corrective points to the table you're not even trying with the numbers here. If we're really talking about the South and including the time before the great migration then the populations are even more heavily black. If blacks are 8x whites in murder today, they would have indeed accounted for 70%--in some states 80% or 90% of the murders in the South. And the South was considerably more rural and "lawless" than the North.

    No denying the racial element here--often a clear message to blacks not to bring their crime to whites. But indeed white southerners did have a particular problem--not unlike the frontier problem. They had legitimately sociopathic "bad dudes"--a much more common morph in places less subject to civilizational selection, such as sub-Saharan Africa--who were not easy to find and/or successfully bring to trial for lack of witnesses. And in fact several--don't know numbers--of these lynchings were for crimes against blacks. People are outraged and not going to take any more crap from known troublemaker.

    I'd imagine if we still had 1960ish levels of black family formation, and black householders could get away with it, we'd see some lynchings in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St.Louis today with responsible black dads removing the known criminal a*holes from their streets so they could be semi-livable for their families.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Vectors? That isn't even the right word, you pompous ass. And if by "capital crime" you mean murder, it is over half - typically in the range of 50-55% year-in, year-out. For rape and other serious crimes, it is likely more.

    You always strive for precision.............except when you don't. Nitwit.

    You're pedantry isn't needed, here or anywhere. Why don't you just go away. Crawl back into your library refence station, you puffed-up nothing.
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  62. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

    According to the NAACP, of people lynched, 73 percent were black. Most lynchings occurred in the South, which has a high percentage of blacks per population.

    My question is this: Does the percentage of people lynched by race roughly track high violent crime rates by blacks that we see even today?

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed 'capital crimes' are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    But what is the percentage of capital crimes committed by blacks in the South and in urban areas (whose high black populations are a decent demographic proxy for the South historically).

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  64. @Kirt
    Love how you've embraced "reprllent". From henceforth you are the reprllent Steve Sailer.

    Sailer, you reprllent bastard!

    :)

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  65. Art Deco says:
    @Big Bill
    The NAACP quit tabulating lynchings when blacks took over the daily lynching business.

    Remember the Official NAACP Lynching definition:

    1. Three (or more) people gather to ...

    2. Extrajudicially kill someone for ...

    3. Offending community mores (dissing, acting uppity, wearing the wrong colors, etc.)

    Blacks lynch blacks on an everyday basis, only we call it things like "gang violence" or "mean streets".

    I think the database of lynchings was built by Tuskeegee Institute, not the NAACP. They later passed on the archive to UMKC.

    Whoever does seem to have been recording matters does seem to have used a fuzzy definition during the post-war period. The murder of three members of the Congress of Racial Equality in 1964 has been included, and, if I’m not mistaken, Emmett Till’s murder in 1955. None was accused of any crime, nor were any in custody. Till’s murder was peculiar (local merchants do not usually kidnap and kill unknown adolescents for petty reasons) but it was just two men angry with him. The murder of the CORE chaps was a pre-planned political killing, and, while a gang was chasing them down and buried the bodies, the actual killing was done by two people.

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  66. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Professor David Pyrooz

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    http://www.colorado.edu/sociology/david-pyrooz

    Research Interests

    Gangs and criminal networks
    Incarceration and offender reentry
    Crime trends and life course criminology
    Criminal justice policy and practice

    Biography

    David Pyrooz is Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder. He is also a faculty associate in the Problem Behavior and Positive Youth Development Program in the Institute of Behavioral Science. He received the BS and MS in Criminology from California State University, Fresno, and the PhD in Criminology and Criminal Justice from Arizona State University in 2012. Prior to joining the Department of Sociology in 2015, he was a faculty member in the College of Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University. He was the 2015 recipient of the inaugural New Scholar Award from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences and the 2016 recipient of the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar award from the American Society of Criminology. He is the co-author of Confronting Gangs: Crime and Community (Oxford), the co-editor of The Wiley Handbook of Gangs (Wiley-Blackwell), and the author of a National Institute of Justice white paper on the relationship between gang affiliation and restrictive housing in U.S. prisons.
     

    With Mr. Pyrooz’s San Jose and Central Valley background I would suspect that he is Assyrian.

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    Read my internet research.

    Prof Pyrooz is Iranian, and given when his grandfather immigrated here likely Jewish.

    Being Jewish is very helpful when it comes to getting tenure in Sociology. What are the odds.
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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Colleen Pater
    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today's crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.
    Second WTF cares so sick of blacks they are hopeless and need to be sent back to africa not endlessly thought about, there's nothing to think about as a group they are half men half ape it's sad that some talented tenth will be caught up in the repatriation, However its not like they haven't had a couple hundred years to take control of their people, and it wouldn't be ethical to skim of their only hope. They have gained a full standard deviation or more of IQ from white hybridization to take back to africa with them they ought to be able to take over the joint, but again WTF cares. Just go.

    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today’s crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.

    Interesting idea. Could you please show your work?

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    Not my work but I believe you can find the work i read in several places try "those that can see" La griffe du lion, alfin,and jayman probably has some stuff.
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  68. Wilkey says:

    “If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care…

    People keep citing better medical treatment of shooting victims as one reason for the decline in murder rates, but that seems unlikely. In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k. Coincidentally (or not), murders declined by almost exactly the same percentage, from 9.8 to 5.3 per 100k. I recall seeing some stats a few years back that put the decline in shooting victims in line with both the declines in violent crime and murder rates.

    So very little of the decline in the murder rate over the last 25+ years has anything to do with better medical treatment of victims. My guess is that while improved medical treatment has saved extra lives, it’s been offset by the decline in random shootings. 25 years ago a higher percentage of murder victims were killed in random shootings, like drive-by shootings. Those are the victims most likely to benefit from better ER treatment. So we have better medical treatment but a smaller percentage of victims who are able to benefit from that treatment. The rest are killed by perps who really, really want them dead. Those victims don’t benefit quite so much.

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    "In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k."

    From 1993 to 2015, the rate of NONFATAL firearm violence declined by 85%, from 7.3 to 1.1 victimizations per 1,000 persons.

    See my discussion at the Sam Harris forum https://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/70102/P75/#869154
    , @Lot
    I said something similar in April:

    It is not realistic to expect medical advances in emergency room care from 2014 to 2016 to have a strong effect that amounts to “a few percentage points.” I actually think it is more likely the quality of medical care afforded to the average urban gun shot wound is declining.

    ERs running near a lot of gunshot wound victims is not one of the many ways to make money in medicine.

    Urban ERs keep suffering more and more as they are forced to cover more and more uncompensated care. Urban ERs are not a profit center, but operations that runs on charity and public funding, plus large urban prestige hospitals and medical schools need to have one, even if money losing, as a cost of business.
     
    The long term trend, actually, is fewer ERs in areas with urban blacks. So even if ER care is 5% better under ideal conditions than 20 years ago, that probably would not make up for a 20% increase in time to get the care.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue what advances have been made in trauma management in the last decade.

    In the 90s EMS rides carried diapers because they were super absorbent for blood. Tourniquets were considered last ditch efforts that guranteed someone would lose a limb.

    The Afghan/Iraq Wars kicked the evolution of trauma medicine into overdrive. Quikclot, easy access TQs, permissive hypotension, the diamond ten, blood product and plasma pushed by EMS, usage of vasopressors... Just a few of the advances that have kept people alive. And that's just on the EMS side of the house.

    Handwave if you want, but those are the facts.
    , @Big Bill
    A drive-by is a "random shooting"?

    Typical example: a bunch of Crips hear that some Bloods are violating the social mores/unwritten law of the Southside of Chicago by visiting/partying/violating the turf of the Crips. The Crips hop their cars and start cruising the neighborhood. One car (driver+passengers) sees a cluster of folks wearing Bloods colors drinking on the corner. The car slows down, the passengers lean out and they blast the group. One winds up dead and two are wounded. The car speeds off.

    It was a deliberate, premeditated killing, done with malice aforethought, of a particular, specifically selected group of individuals for wrongs they committed. It meets the definition of "lynching". I fail to see what is "random" about drive-by lynchings.
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  69. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

    Then there is also blacks lynching blacks:

    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6
    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

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    Newspapers in that period wrote about black-on-black crime with a certain wry amusement.
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  70. Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?

    The truth springs from many fountains.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country” – a book that argued strictly against identity politics – and even predicted the victory of a conservative “Big Man” in the presidential elections, in case the identity-path would not be – ehe! – left.

    And the White Death was foreshadowed (=forecast) in “Deer Hunting With Jesus” – a teriffic, if widly ignored, very accurate and very informative report from the Appalchians by the great late (sigh) Joe Bageant.

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    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?
     
    The truth springs from many fountains.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country” – a book that argued strictly against identity politics – and even predicted the victory of a conservative “Big Man” in the presidential elections, in case the identity-path would not be – ehe! – left.
     
    Much of this predicting is way after the fact. The response of George Lincoln Rockwell's White Power was immediately following the rise of Stokely Carmichael and Co.'s Black Power agitprop. The backfiring of identity politics on those promoting it was instantly perceivable. Of course the Left's interpretation of backfiring was framed as "backlash" and considered sufficient reason to just double down. What we've got now, fifty years later, is a cultural response to fifty years of doubling down.
    , @Lot

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country”
     
    A German who has read Richard Rorty? I knew one well a long time ago, in fact he is the only person I can remember ever mentioning him. Are you about 40, and had a chubby but cute blonde American girlfriend in the late 1990's?

    Or maybe there are a lot of you!
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  71. @Ben Kurtz
    Steve takes it for granted that the spike in Baltimore homicides is largely a feature of the city's black population.

    He's right, of course.

    Most readers here probably understand that intuitively.

    Nevertheless, in the interests of full scientific disclosure, I have collected here some pretty striking Baltimore geo-spatial data on just this point: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/bad-habits/

    via James laFond’s site, this Baltimore story about properties which are unsellable due to huge liens for unpaid taxes and fines.

    For Sale: Boarded-up, crumbling former corner store assessed at $5,000. Price: $1.76 million

    It’s pretty iSteveish, from Mr Rosenthal closing his food market and getting out in 1965 to newer residents like retired day-care worker Catherine Mwimbi .

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    There just has to be a way to use these ridiculous tax/utility liens as a scam. You bought a few indebted properties for a dollar and make yourself technically bankrupt, in debt for millions. There must be some way to use this debt to your own benefit. Particularly since no attempts will be made to collect it.
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  72. @Bardon Kaldian
    In reality, blacks don't care about getting killed by other blacks. This is similar to the behavior of their co-racials in West Africa: It is supreme offense if other tribe's member slights your tribesman. But, killings within a tribe are fair game, no big fuss about that.

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.

    Thucydides reported that murder was considered a normal part of living in the German tribes, and was so commonly a result of excessive partying that this resulted in only a financial judgement being placed upon the perp which was acceptable to the victims family. Survival of the species through various unnatural selections in the Middle Ages later had quite the effect upon Europeans.

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  73. CCZ says:
    @StillCARealist
    What do you think of Lincoln's comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder? Doesn't sound very nice. And he says nothing of the guilt of the man burned alive.

    The United States Political Violence Data Base (USPVDB) referenced by University of Connecticut Professor Peter Turchin sheds some light on the events referenced by the Lincoln speech.

    http://peterturchin.com/age-of-discord/united-states-political-violence-database/

    The first three recorded lynchings were of Tories during the years 1782 and 1784.

    In 1835, in Vicksburg, Mississippi, citizens sought to remove gamblers from town. Initially a couple of gamblers were “tarred and feathered” and run out of town, with other gamblers following them. However, some gamblers resisted and defended a gambling house and, during a gun battle, shot and killed a citizen. Thereafter, the 6 gamblers were captured and lynched.

    Also in 1835, as alluded to in Lincoln’s speech, 7 blacks were lynched in 4 separate incidents after rumors spread of an imminent slave uprising. In 1836, 1 racial lynching is noted, but no evidence of mass lynchings of either a racial or political nature is found in the data base and a quick search for “lynching” in the years 1830-1838 in a historic newspapers data base finds no reference to any mass lynchings beyond those noted in the USPVDB.

    Interestingly, in 1838 in Mississippi, one newspaper reported that 2 white men were almost lynched, one on the testimony of a young black women who said she witnessed the crime, a robbery.

    The USPVDB documents about 100-110 racial lynchings prior to 1882.

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    What is the upshot of all of this?
    , @The True and Original David
    My hunch is that the trope "Deep South was full of lynchers" is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up, and was pushed in a big way only after the Leo Frank incident (1915).
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  74. Sajmon says:
    @Wilkey
    "If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care...

    People keep citing better medical treatment of shooting victims as one reason for the decline in murder rates, but that seems unlikely. In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k. Coincidentally (or not), murders declined by almost exactly the same percentage, from 9.8 to 5.3 per 100k. I recall seeing some stats a few years back that put the decline in shooting victims in line with both the declines in violent crime and murder rates.

    So very little of the decline in the murder rate over the last 25+ years has anything to do with better medical treatment of victims. My guess is that while improved medical treatment has saved extra lives, it's been offset by the decline in random shootings. 25 years ago a higher percentage of murder victims were killed in random shootings, like drive-by shootings. Those are the victims most likely to benefit from better ER treatment. So we have better medical treatment but a smaller percentage of victims who are able to benefit from that treatment. The rest are killed by perps who really, really want them dead. Those victims don't benefit quite so much.

    “In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k.”

    From 1993 to 2015, the rate of NONFATAL firearm violence declined by 85%, from 7.3 to 1.1 victimizations per 1,000 persons.

    See my discussion at the Sam Harris forum https://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/70102/P75/#869154

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  75. AB- says:

    From my experience with the cops, only traffic enforcement had the cop actually seeing the ‘crime’ being committed. Everything else they showed up well after the ‘crime’ and just took a report.

    So I don’t see how the cops backing off would have made much difference in how many murders; somebody is already on the ground and bleeding by the time they get there. Doesn’t take much on the part of the shooter to eyeball the surroundings for cops and then let loose.

    I know Bloomberg had the stop and frisk in NYC, and that made huge difference in violent crime going down. But how many other big city PD’s were doing stop and frisk? That seems to get the local hebrews and their minions all excited and shut it down….even tho it works.

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  76. Bubba says:
    @MattW
    Averaging 2009 to 2014 gives 10.333 cop killings, and 149.2 murders through August.

    Averaging 2015, 16, 17 gives 6.333 cop killings and 228.333 murders through August.

    That's a difference of 4 and 79.2 or essentially 20 murders per cop killing.

    Good point, so less policing leads to less police deaths yet far more deaths in the “general” population (but concentrating in the black community). Makes sense, the police have been used too long as social workers for the most dysfunctional, anti-social, violent group in America.

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    Police killings I meant to indicate suspects that police kill. The same thing mentioned in the first part of the blog post
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  77. Another type of crime has taken off in the last few years. Filing fraudulent tax returns with stolen ID’s. The DOJ website has all sorts of news releases about people getting arrested for this.

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    A local crime getting more publicity these days involves car tags and registrations. Enterprising youths try to peel off the license plate sticker tags and may also take the paperwork out of glove boxes in unlocked cars. Either theft can be trouble for the unsuspecting driver. Some thieves just want a current tag to avoid being pulled over for an expired tag. Others can leverage that registration document to try to get a car transferred via extracurricular methods. When you next put on that renewal tag, take an extra minute to use a knife to slice it up like a modern little multi-piece price tag so that it can't peeled off in one piece.

    The experienced thieves try to grab a garage door opener, too. Why not try to open a garage and walk right into a house (what, you left that door unlocked? Overnight?), then dash away maybe in your other car, with more goodies. Neighbors just had that little adventure. More patient types note the opener code and model, and then gin up their own opener for future reference.
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  78. @Art Deco
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed 'capital crimes' are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South.

    If so would that not be because Blacks were responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime in the South post 1885. That was time of the beginning of urbanization in the south and Jim Crow style segregation was not yet under way. Whites then as now, post segregation, increasingly found them up against black criminality but without the dominance of the Jewish/Cultural Marxist media to sweep it all under the rug.

    As many have speculated it was precisely Jim Crow segregation that lessen the need/tolerance for the lynching of blacks between 1885 and 1925.

    See http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2017/07/segregation-our-most-cherished-myths.html

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    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South.

    If so would that not be because Blacks were responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime in the South post 1885.
     

    Well the vast majority of blacks lived in the South, so duh, of course, whatever is going on among blacks is going to be concentrated in the South instead of Maine or Arizona.
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  79. @Dieter Kief

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?
     
    The truth springs from many fountains.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty's "Achieving Our Country" - a book that argued strictly against identity politics - and even predicted the victory of a conservative "Big Man" in the presidential elections, in case the identity-path would not be - ehe! - left.

    And the White Death was foreshadowed (=forecast) in "Deer Hunting With Jesus" - a teriffic, if widly ignored, very accurate and very informative report from the Appalchians by the great late (sigh) Joe Bageant.

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?

    The truth springs from many fountains.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country” – a book that argued strictly against identity politics – and even predicted the victory of a conservative “Big Man” in the presidential elections, in case the identity-path would not be – ehe! – left.

    Much of this predicting is way after the fact. The response of George Lincoln Rockwell’s White Power was immediately following the rise of Stokely Carmichael and Co.’s Black Power agitprop. The backfiring of identity politics on those promoting it was instantly perceivable. Of course the Left’s interpretation of backfiring was framed as “backlash” and considered sufficient reason to just double down. What we’ve got now, fifty years later, is a cultural response to fifty years of doubling down.

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  80. Ed says:
    @Colleen Pater
    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today's crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.
    Second WTF cares so sick of blacks they are hopeless and need to be sent back to africa not endlessly thought about, there's nothing to think about as a group they are half men half ape it's sad that some talented tenth will be caught up in the repatriation, However its not like they haven't had a couple hundred years to take control of their people, and it wouldn't be ethical to skim of their only hope. They have gained a full standard deviation or more of IQ from white hybridization to take back to africa with them they ought to be able to take over the joint, but again WTF cares. Just go.

    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.

    There’s a sense of betrayal.

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    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.
     
    I need to find this graph again, but it's possible via timelines to trace the decrease in number of lynchings in the South with the rise of professional police forces. In other words lynchings go down as the ability to call the police goes up.

    Living here in a slice of it, I can tell from the age of the buildings in my neck of the woods, it was very rural until the 1960s.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Rural areas had inadequate facilities for holding prisoners. If a criminal had a few friends, it was not difficult for them to bust him out of jail.
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  81. Lot says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Anis claims to have predicted 15 years ago that identity politics would backfire on those promoting it. I think Steve’s been saying that at least that long ago. Maybe Anis reads iSteve?
     
    The truth springs from many fountains.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty's "Achieving Our Country" - a book that argued strictly against identity politics - and even predicted the victory of a conservative "Big Man" in the presidential elections, in case the identity-path would not be - ehe! - left.

    And the White Death was foreshadowed (=forecast) in "Deer Hunting With Jesus" - a teriffic, if widly ignored, very accurate and very informative report from the Appalchians by the great late (sigh) Joe Bageant.

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country”

    A German who has read Richard Rorty? I knew one well a long time ago, in fact he is the only person I can remember ever mentioning him. Are you about 40, and had a chubby but cute blonde American girlfriend in the late 1990′s?

    Or maybe there are a lot of you!

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    What do you like about Rorty?
    , @Dieter Kief
    Uhh - I did have a cute American girlfriend - but a tad earlier, and she had long brown hair; she loved softball and knew how to move and to speak - and was... very charming: She almost managed to make me stay in the US.

    (Philosophically, I right away thought, that Rorty had no good reason really, to give in to postmodern relativism (I still wonder at times, what made him do so).

    And I always admired the patience, with which Habermas reacted to his friend Rorty's mistakes (in hindsight, they were big ones - even bigger than they appeared to be in beginning of the last quarter of the 20th century, when the Rorty-reception started to bloom).

    I did like his straightforwardness a lot though - and for obvious reasons was - as a German indeed - fascinated by the very fact, that somebody like Rorty (=a liberal= critical mind) was at the same time able to be - - proud of his country.

    , @Vinteuil
    Dieter is huge in Europe , but virtually unknown in North America.
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  82. Lot says:
    @Wilkey
    "If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care...

    People keep citing better medical treatment of shooting victims as one reason for the decline in murder rates, but that seems unlikely. In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k. Coincidentally (or not), murders declined by almost exactly the same percentage, from 9.8 to 5.3 per 100k. I recall seeing some stats a few years back that put the decline in shooting victims in line with both the declines in violent crime and murder rates.

    So very little of the decline in the murder rate over the last 25+ years has anything to do with better medical treatment of victims. My guess is that while improved medical treatment has saved extra lives, it's been offset by the decline in random shootings. 25 years ago a higher percentage of murder victims were killed in random shootings, like drive-by shootings. Those are the victims most likely to benefit from better ER treatment. So we have better medical treatment but a smaller percentage of victims who are able to benefit from that treatment. The rest are killed by perps who really, really want them dead. Those victims don't benefit quite so much.

    I said something similar in April:

    It is not realistic to expect medical advances in emergency room care from 2014 to 2016 to have a strong effect that amounts to “a few percentage points.” I actually think it is more likely the quality of medical care afforded to the average urban gun shot wound is declining.

    ERs running near a lot of gunshot wound victims is not one of the many ways to make money in medicine.

    Urban ERs keep suffering more and more as they are forced to cover more and more uncompensated care. Urban ERs are not a profit center, but operations that runs on charity and public funding, plus large urban prestige hospitals and medical schools need to have one, even if money losing, as a cost of business.

    The long term trend, actually, is fewer ERs in areas with urban blacks. So even if ER care is 5% better under ideal conditions than 20 years ago, that probably would not make up for a 20% increase in time to get the care.

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  83. @Lot

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country”
     
    A German who has read Richard Rorty? I knew one well a long time ago, in fact he is the only person I can remember ever mentioning him. Are you about 40, and had a chubby but cute blonde American girlfriend in the late 1990's?

    Or maybe there are a lot of you!

    What do you like about Rorty?

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    What do you like about Rorty?
     
    I did not say I liked him, I have no opinion as I can't recall ever reading him.

    As for his philosophy, it seems from wikipedia to be garbage continental BS.

    I see in his old age he turned against the anti-american far left, so that is one thing in his favor.

    Something he wrote in 1998:

    Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers – themselves desperately afraid of being downsized – are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
     
    A left wing review:

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/richard-rortys-philosophical-argument-for-national-pride
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  84. IBC says:

    OT: Steve, I love this new “reprllent” descriptor that J-Pod seems to have inadvertently applied to you. It makes me think of him as Sylvester the Cat, although I’m not sure if that makes you Tweety Bird –another great noticer; but beyond a few other similarities, not a good vocal fit for you. So while the vocal stylings of Mel Blanc don’t really complement your writing, you do have to agree that they make J-Pod’s arguments just a little less “despicable”… or was that more…?

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    Haha, I also thought of JPod saying "That's despicable!" with a heavy lisp when I saw it.

    https://imgflip.com/i/1va8va
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    Hope and Change for ‘white trash’

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  86. @Wilkey
    "If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care...

    People keep citing better medical treatment of shooting victims as one reason for the decline in murder rates, but that seems unlikely. In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k. Coincidentally (or not), murders declined by almost exactly the same percentage, from 9.8 to 5.3 per 100k. I recall seeing some stats a few years back that put the decline in shooting victims in line with both the declines in violent crime and murder rates.

    So very little of the decline in the murder rate over the last 25+ years has anything to do with better medical treatment of victims. My guess is that while improved medical treatment has saved extra lives, it's been offset by the decline in random shootings. 25 years ago a higher percentage of murder victims were killed in random shootings, like drive-by shootings. Those are the victims most likely to benefit from better ER treatment. So we have better medical treatment but a smaller percentage of victims who are able to benefit from that treatment. The rest are killed by perps who really, really want them dead. Those victims don't benefit quite so much.

    Spoken like someone who doesn’t have a clue what advances have been made in trauma management in the last decade.

    In the 90s EMS rides carried diapers because they were super absorbent for blood. Tourniquets were considered last ditch efforts that guranteed someone would lose a limb.

    The Afghan/Iraq Wars kicked the evolution of trauma medicine into overdrive. Quikclot, easy access TQs, permissive hypotension, the diamond ten, blood product and plasma pushed by EMS, usage of vasopressors… Just a few of the advances that have kept people alive. And that’s just on the EMS side of the house.

    Handwave if you want, but those are the facts.

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    Offsetting improved medical care is the increased deadliness of modern firearms. The old six-shooter revolvers are giving way to automatic pistols holding two or even three times as many rounds. That means more multiple hits, and even the best medical care in the world is not going to help much with someone with several bullet wounds.
    , @Lot
    That's interesting and nice to hear some specifics on this issue.

    So what percentage of people shot in 1995 would be saved if they had been shot in 2017?

    I would think that more than 90%

    (1) would die under either circumstance (e.g., direct head shot)
    (2) would survive under either circumstance. (e.g., single shot to the foot)

    To have an actual big impact on murder rates, the change would need to be within the marginal 10% of gunshots. But even going from 25% survival to 75% survival for this group would only decrease the gunshot murder rate by 5% over about 20 years.

    In other words, I think "advances in ER needs to be accounted for in murder rates" makes sense if you are talking about the 1950 v 2000. But not really the past 20 years or so.

    It is possible that cell phones, by enabling quicker 911 calls for street shootings, and perhaps letting someone provide help while calling 911 and waiting for the ambulance, had a positive impact on survival, maybe bigger than medical advances in ER care.

    If it is nighttime in 1985 and you see someone shot and bleeding at night in a residential part of a vibrant area, how are you going to call for help? Payphones are not usually on residential street and might be 3-4 blocks away or more, even if you actually knew where the closest one was. Nobody will answer their door at night in the ghetto, and it isn't very safe to try. Maybe it is another 15 minutes before you can call for help v that situation today.

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  87. @Colleen Pater
    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today's crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.
    Second WTF cares so sick of blacks they are hopeless and need to be sent back to africa not endlessly thought about, there's nothing to think about as a group they are half men half ape it's sad that some talented tenth will be caught up in the repatriation, However its not like they haven't had a couple hundred years to take control of their people, and it wouldn't be ethical to skim of their only hope. They have gained a full standard deviation or more of IQ from white hybridization to take back to africa with them they ought to be able to take over the joint, but again WTF cares. Just go.

    So Colleen,tell me about yourself. Come here often?

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  88. Not Raul says:

    I predict that Baltimore will end 2017 with fewer than 330 homicides.

    The summer (aka murder season) is over, as are most of the hot days.

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    For 2017 through the end of August, Baltimore has had 235 homicides.

    2016 had 121 for Sept - Dec. 2015 also had 121 homicides for the last four months of the year.
    As a reference, 2014, pre-Freddy Gray, had 66 for the last four months of the year.

    235+121 ~= 350.

    In addition, since Freddy Gray died, the monthly homicide total has been higher than the average for the equivalent month from 2007-2014 in every month except one (so April 2016, as an example, saw 28 homicides, but the 2007-2014 average for April was 18.3). The rise in homicides has been *VERY* stable and Baltimore is seeing approximately 120 more homicides per year since April of 2015 than it saw for the average year between 2007 and 2014.

    To get only 330 Baltimore homicides for 2017, we'll need a steep drop in the post-Freddy Gray homicide rate. We haven't seen that drop yet.
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  89. Lot says:
    @IBC
    OT: Steve, I love this new "reprllent" descriptor that J-Pod seems to have inadvertently applied to you. It makes me think of him as Sylvester the Cat, although I'm not sure if that makes you Tweety Bird --another great noticer; but beyond a few other similarities, not a good vocal fit for you. So while the vocal stylings of Mel Blanc don't really complement your writing, you do have to agree that they make J-Pod's arguments just a little less "despicable"... or was that more...?

    Haha, I also thought of JPod saying “That’s despicable!” with a heavy lisp when I saw it.

    https://imgflip.com/i/1va8va

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  90. @RW
    Steve, shouldn't you apply the rule of proportionality and calculate these deaths on a per capita basis? You would see a much smaller comparative post-Ferguson effect that way.

    otoh, it’s <3 years versus 150+ years (or so),

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  91. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Jack Hanson
    Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue what advances have been made in trauma management in the last decade.

    In the 90s EMS rides carried diapers because they were super absorbent for blood. Tourniquets were considered last ditch efforts that guranteed someone would lose a limb.

    The Afghan/Iraq Wars kicked the evolution of trauma medicine into overdrive. Quikclot, easy access TQs, permissive hypotension, the diamond ten, blood product and plasma pushed by EMS, usage of vasopressors... Just a few of the advances that have kept people alive. And that's just on the EMS side of the house.

    Handwave if you want, but those are the facts.

    Offsetting improved medical care is the increased deadliness of modern firearms. The old six-shooter revolvers are giving way to automatic pistols holding two or even three times as many rounds. That means more multiple hits, and even the best medical care in the world is not going to help much with someone with several bullet wounds.

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    Is there a difference in the damage per hit of a standard 38 revolver vs 9mm semi?
    , @Yak-15
    The majority of black deaths in Chicago and elsewhere are due to handguns. Last I checked those have not changed much since semi-automatic pistols became prevalent in the 1930s. Ammunition has been improved - hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don't even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    It's not like we have exploding bullets, proton pistols and plasma rifles out there.
    , @Jack Hanson
    This might be true if the majority of gang bangers were using Federal Hydra-Shok rounds or other man stoppers. The large majority of bullets are nowhere near match tier or specific anti-personnel if they're traditional cartridges such as 9mm, .40, or 45 ACP.

    I'm still seeing people being arrested with Ravens ffs. Again, these are not people by and large using extremely lethal rounds. Let's not play this autistic game where we play at purposefully obtuse to compare two situations.
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  92. Lot says:
    @Opinionator
    What do you like about Rorty?

    What do you like about Rorty?

    I did not say I liked him, I have no opinion as I can’t recall ever reading him.

    As for his philosophy, it seems from wikipedia to be garbage continental BS.

    I see in his old age he turned against the anti-american far left, so that is one thing in his favor.

    Something he wrote in 1998:

    Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers – themselves desperately afraid of being downsized – are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.

    A left wing review:

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/richard-rortys-philosophical-argument-for-national-pride

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    Thanks. The review appears to give Rorty too much credit. He posited a dynamic of "suburban" bad guys versus the ignored/deplorables. Not exactly an accurate depiction of the dynamics of the Revolution of '16.
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  93. Lot says:
    @prosa123
    Offsetting improved medical care is the increased deadliness of modern firearms. The old six-shooter revolvers are giving way to automatic pistols holding two or even three times as many rounds. That means more multiple hits, and even the best medical care in the world is not going to help much with someone with several bullet wounds.

    Is there a difference in the damage per hit of a standard 38 revolver vs 9mm semi?

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    38's and 9's have roughly the same stopping power. Maybe a slight edge to the 9, but not much.

    Both are far less deadly than centerfire rifles and especially shotguns, but neither type of weapon is much used in homicides.
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  94. According to our current orthodoxy, some murders are wronger than others. So any comparison of lynching to hood violence will be dismissed.

    After all, the former is seen as white-on-black murder – the most heinous kind. Whereas black-on-black murder is seen as a yawn and an act of love (it isn’t “hate”).

    In this orthodox view, whites are the center of the universe and blacks are just the spear carriers in a big moral drama titled The Unique Evil Of (Gentile) Whites And What We Are Gonna Do About It?

    I wonder if blacks ever get tired of being tools. It only pays well for a small number of blacks (the Sharptons and the “Tennesssee” Coateses). Maybe they really are dumv enough to believe that it will lead to a paradise of black rule.

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  95. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Lot
    Is there a difference in the damage per hit of a standard 38 revolver vs 9mm semi?

    38′s and 9′s have roughly the same stopping power. Maybe a slight edge to the 9, but not much.

    Both are far less deadly than centerfire rifles and especially shotguns, but neither type of weapon is much used in homicides.

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    Speaking of shotguns and crime, here is one of Scalia's last criminal law opinions, involving a federal statute whose sentencing portion involved a vague "violent felony" definition. The particular criminal defendant was a neo-nazi with a long rap sheet.

    The initial question whether possession of a sawed off shotgun in violation of state law counted as a violent felony.

    The result ended up, however, that Scalia, who had repeatedly argued in dissents that the law was too vague to enforce and should be partly struck down, actually changed the minds of some of the other justices and wrote a 6 to 3 majority opinion.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-7120_p86b.pdf

    I like Alito too, but the quality of the brain between Scalia's opinion and Alito's dissent is obvious.
    , @Anonymous
    Shotguns are extremely deadly-at point blank range. With standard shot loads the lethality drops very rapidly with distance. I killed a suspected rabid dog once that had been shot twice with 12 gauge birdshot loads and he had something like fifty pellets under his skin, steel and lead shot, and none penetrated more than a quarter inch. I also have a couple friends who have had hunting incidents and been shot with shotguns from a fair distance. One had a few pellets get through his heavy winter clothing and had to have pellets taken out at the ER, but certainly no life threatening injuries. The other did not have a single pellet penetrate.

    Buckshot is another matter, as are rifled slugs-they even have rifled barrels, which makes the shotgun into an actual rifle when using the proper slugs. These can be deadly at fair ranges and the slug guns capable of surprising accuracy at up to 100 yards or so.

    .38 Spl and 9mm Parabellum are similar but the .38 comes in +P versions with fairly impressive ballistics. Of course the .357 magnum is just a .38 with a longer case and has proven a manstopper.

    .357, .41, .44 magnums all make a great lever action rifle load as well.
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  96. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue what advances have been made in trauma management in the last decade.

    In the 90s EMS rides carried diapers because they were super absorbent for blood. Tourniquets were considered last ditch efforts that guranteed someone would lose a limb.

    The Afghan/Iraq Wars kicked the evolution of trauma medicine into overdrive. Quikclot, easy access TQs, permissive hypotension, the diamond ten, blood product and plasma pushed by EMS, usage of vasopressors... Just a few of the advances that have kept people alive. And that's just on the EMS side of the house.

    Handwave if you want, but those are the facts.

    That’s interesting and nice to hear some specifics on this issue.

    So what percentage of people shot in 1995 would be saved if they had been shot in 2017?

    I would think that more than 90%

    (1) would die under either circumstance (e.g., direct head shot)
    (2) would survive under either circumstance. (e.g., single shot to the foot)

    To have an actual big impact on murder rates, the change would need to be within the marginal 10% of gunshots. But even going from 25% survival to 75% survival for this group would only decrease the gunshot murder rate by 5% over about 20 years.

    In other words, I think “advances in ER needs to be accounted for in murder rates” makes sense if you are talking about the 1950 v 2000. But not really the past 20 years or so.

    It is possible that cell phones, by enabling quicker 911 calls for street shootings, and perhaps letting someone provide help while calling 911 and waiting for the ambulance, had a positive impact on survival, maybe bigger than medical advances in ER care.

    If it is nighttime in 1985 and you see someone shot and bleeding at night in a residential part of a vibrant area, how are you going to call for help? Payphones are not usually on residential street and might be 3-4 blocks away or more, even if you actually knew where the closest one was. Nobody will answer their door at night in the ghetto, and it isn’t very safe to try. Maybe it is another 15 minutes before you can call for help v that situation today.

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    Great post. Excellent thinking you're right about cell phones.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I'm telling you specific changes in how ALS was performed in the last 20 years. Hell, there wasn't even an EMS program in the country that bore a resemblance to what we know as EMS until the late 60s with LAFD's paramedic program. Until then you were lucky if there was a "rescueman" program but more likely than not you had volunteers at best. 12 Lead interpretation wasn't standard of care until late 90s early 00, and you're gonna tell me "no big deal maaaan"?

    The ME Wars totally changed how we did business, but I get you're doing your thing where you double down on whatever your initial belief was regardless of how wrong you were. Do you know what permissive hypotension means without Google and comprehending why its becoming standard practice? How about why giving blood product is such a huge leap in doing business to save lives? Do you know what PHTLS/ATLS means and why they're important?

    No, you don't but Dawkins forbid Lot admits he's wrong. Cell phones play a part but trying to handwave away the massive advances in EMS is just foolish.

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  97. J.Ross says: • Website

    It seems to me that we can start to bet on a solid pattern; this is speculation on my part but some old intel or vice squad anon should be able to supply a more substantive case given the broad outlines. I read this post

    *pull back urban police
    => increase crime
    –> decrease visibility and discussion
    ~> ease the flow of human trafficking
    <– DACA and amnesty
    ¥ gerrymandering by population replacement, readily available slaves and organs, perpetual urban crisis guaranteeing employment for political saviors

    right after rewatching a New Media discussion of the mayor of Berkeley holding police back from political street violence, which is the same pattern but with Antifa instead of BLM and the new Zebras.
    And we all remember Eric Holder throwing up his hands at the volume of marijuana in the country, saying oh we just can't enforce the law, but neither was the law changed. Marijuana became unenforced rather than legalized (this is Chinese law, government abrogating no ex post facto so that they can benefit from crime, but can also swoop down at any time on a practice that had been tolerated). This is largely the same pattern but with pot, and it overlaps with the immigration issue because the immigration law relaxation largely amounts to forbidding police from bothering traffickers (who are diatributed among, I assume, good people).
    There is a huge bearing out of this pattern in the tax, administrative and banking law, where the government tolerated or participated in crime for direct advantage or subsequent blackmail.
    I think the left learned less from Marx and more from Mabuse.

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  98. @CCZ
    The United States Political Violence Data Base (USPVDB) referenced by University of Connecticut Professor Peter Turchin sheds some light on the events referenced by the Lincoln speech.

    http://peterturchin.com/age-of-discord/united-states-political-violence-database/

    The first three recorded lynchings were of Tories during the years 1782 and 1784.

    In 1835, in Vicksburg, Mississippi, citizens sought to remove gamblers from town. Initially a couple of gamblers were “tarred and feathered” and run out of town, with other gamblers following them. However, some gamblers resisted and defended a gambling house and, during a gun battle, shot and killed a citizen. Thereafter, the 6 gamblers were captured and lynched.

    Also in 1835, as alluded to in Lincoln's speech, 7 blacks were lynched in 4 separate incidents after rumors spread of an imminent slave uprising. In 1836, 1 racial lynching is noted, but no evidence of mass lynchings of either a racial or political nature is found in the data base and a quick search for “lynching” in the years 1830-1838 in a historic newspapers data base finds no reference to any mass lynchings beyond those noted in the USPVDB.

    Interestingly, in 1838 in Mississippi, one newspaper reported that 2 white men were almost lynched, one on the testimony of a young black women who said she witnessed the crime, a robbery.

    The USPVDB documents about 100-110 racial lynchings prior to 1882.

    What is the upshot of all of this?

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    StillCARealist (at # 48) asked:


    “What do you think of Lincoln’s comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder?”

     

    My points:

    “Lynching” was initially “political” not “racial.” Six gamblers were lynched in Vicksburg, 7 slaves were lynched during a Mississippi slave uprising panic, and a free black steamboat hand (who had killed a deputy sheriff and wounded another in St. Louis) was taken from the jail and burned to death but, beyond those three gruesome events, Lincoln appears to have been exaggerating for his political benefit (just like today!). There was no recorded “epidemic of lynching and murder.”

    Lynching was not just racial but also political, religious, ethnic, and “extra-legal” (petty and major crime suspects and suspects awaiting trial, convicted felons, prisoners, abusive spouses, even lawyers!).

    History is complex, understanding requires detail and context, and interpretation requires acknowledging the many shades of gray between the black and white extremes. And research helps answer questions!

    The cited Political Violence Data Base is just one resource for understanding the varieties, diversity, intensity, and context of America's political, racial, religious, economic, and ethnic violence.
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  99. Lot says:
    @prosa123
    38's and 9's have roughly the same stopping power. Maybe a slight edge to the 9, but not much.

    Both are far less deadly than centerfire rifles and especially shotguns, but neither type of weapon is much used in homicides.

    Speaking of shotguns and crime, here is one of Scalia’s last criminal law opinions, involving a federal statute whose sentencing portion involved a vague “violent felony” definition. The particular criminal defendant was a neo-nazi with a long rap sheet.

    The initial question whether possession of a sawed off shotgun in violation of state law counted as a violent felony.

    The result ended up, however, that Scalia, who had repeatedly argued in dissents that the law was too vague to enforce and should be partly struck down, actually changed the minds of some of the other justices and wrote a 6 to 3 majority opinion.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-7120_p86b.pdf

    I like Alito too, but the quality of the brain between Scalia’s opinion and Alito’s dissent is obvious.

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  100. @Lot

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country”
     
    A German who has read Richard Rorty? I knew one well a long time ago, in fact he is the only person I can remember ever mentioning him. Are you about 40, and had a chubby but cute blonde American girlfriend in the late 1990's?

    Or maybe there are a lot of you!

    Uhh – I did have a cute American girlfriend – but a tad earlier, and she had long brown hair; she loved softball and knew how to move and to speak – and was… very charming: She almost managed to make me stay in the US.

    (Philosophically, I right away thought, that Rorty had no good reason really, to give in to postmodern relativism (I still wonder at times, what made him do so).

    And I always admired the patience, with which Habermas reacted to his friend Rorty’s mistakes (in hindsight, they were big ones – even bigger than they appeared to be in beginning of the last quarter of the 20th century, when the Rorty-reception started to bloom).

    I did like his straightforwardness a lot though – and for obvious reasons was – as a German indeed – fascinated by the very fact, that somebody like Rorty (=a liberal= critical mind) was at the same time able to be – – proud of his country.

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    Rorty was the grandson of Walter Rauschenbusch, the famous 'social gospel' preacher. Rorty himself was an atheist, but the shape of his thought was formed by Grandpa's vision, i.e. the building of an earthly utopia that human nature was sufficiently good, or sufficiently perfectible, to achieve.

    Rorty appealed to continental analytic and later postmodernist critiques to tear down Christian/western 'metanarratives' and truth claims, but then believed, naively, that an American synthesis of pragmatism and democracy, based on leftist/Deweyian practices, could 'achieve' an idealized society. Rorty couldn't seem to live with the nihilism and despair of the continental deconstructionists/postmodernists, so he turned -- pragmatically, if you will -- to the deracinated scraps of the western tradition he could still believe in to use as the foundation for his sad little utopia.

    Rorty was very smart, and very influential in the 80s and 90s, not least because he wrote some of the clearest, most accessible prose you'll ever find among philosophers. His books are downright enjoyable to read, unlike so many of his intellectual progenitors and peers.

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  101. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius
    Steve:

    https://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/time-to-give-up-on-identity-politics-its-dragging-the-progressive-agenda-down/

    It’s quite interesting. Its an intelligent article. The comments were a surprise. First, there was more support for his position than I expected. But the negative comments tended to be especially lame.

    His example of the ‘dreamers’ is interesting. Let’s hope that someone in the Republican Party figures out that the ‘dreamers’ are willing to sell out other identity groups.

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  102. @CCZ
    The United States Political Violence Data Base (USPVDB) referenced by University of Connecticut Professor Peter Turchin sheds some light on the events referenced by the Lincoln speech.

    http://peterturchin.com/age-of-discord/united-states-political-violence-database/

    The first three recorded lynchings were of Tories during the years 1782 and 1784.

    In 1835, in Vicksburg, Mississippi, citizens sought to remove gamblers from town. Initially a couple of gamblers were “tarred and feathered” and run out of town, with other gamblers following them. However, some gamblers resisted and defended a gambling house and, during a gun battle, shot and killed a citizen. Thereafter, the 6 gamblers were captured and lynched.

    Also in 1835, as alluded to in Lincoln's speech, 7 blacks were lynched in 4 separate incidents after rumors spread of an imminent slave uprising. In 1836, 1 racial lynching is noted, but no evidence of mass lynchings of either a racial or political nature is found in the data base and a quick search for “lynching” in the years 1830-1838 in a historic newspapers data base finds no reference to any mass lynchings beyond those noted in the USPVDB.

    Interestingly, in 1838 in Mississippi, one newspaper reported that 2 white men were almost lynched, one on the testimony of a young black women who said she witnessed the crime, a robbery.

    The USPVDB documents about 100-110 racial lynchings prior to 1882.

    My hunch is that the trope “Deep South was full of lynchers” is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up, and was pushed in a big way only after the Leo Frank incident (1915).

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    It is amazing what you can find on that case.

    For example, this where it is reported that:


    Around 2014, Wikipedia activist editor TonyStewart14 (who formerly curated the now defunct 'Frank Case Library' at leofranklibrary.org (now part of the definitive Leo Frank Research Library and Archive at www.leofrank.org) contacted Leonard Dinnerstein on Facebook to ask him directly about the alleged "hang the Jew" death threats incident at the Frank trial and Dinnerstein responded the evidence for it was insufficient, this was a shocking turn of events, after the professor emeritus of Judaic studies had propounded it as truth for almost 5 decades!
     
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/leofrankcase/7408888346

    More here: https://theamericanmercury.org/2014/03/tom-watson-the-leo-frank-case/

    , @lavoisier
    There was way too much barbarity going on. Entire communities would come out to watch a man being burned alive. If it happened once, it was still a travesty of justice and a reflection of human evil.

    Guilty or not, burning someone alive is a horror and those who participated in such a horror are savages.

    These horrors ultimately led to the Civil War and the horrors of that terrible war.

    All so a few people could get rich enslaving others.

    And we are still paying for the crimes of the few to this day.

    Evil begets evil.

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  103. MattW says:
    @Bubba
    Good point, so less policing leads to less police deaths yet far more deaths in the "general" population (but concentrating in the black community). Makes sense, the police have been used too long as social workers for the most dysfunctional, anti-social, violent group in America.

    Police killings I meant to indicate suspects that police kill. The same thing mentioned in the first part of the blog post

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  104. Alden says:

    All these black deaths are a bad thing?

    Much as I kvetch and bitch about immigrants I am eternally grateful to the Hispanics who established a perimeter defense to the east and west of my neighborhood. This drove the blacks away.

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  105. Alden says:
    @Lot
    That's interesting and nice to hear some specifics on this issue.

    So what percentage of people shot in 1995 would be saved if they had been shot in 2017?

    I would think that more than 90%

    (1) would die under either circumstance (e.g., direct head shot)
    (2) would survive under either circumstance. (e.g., single shot to the foot)

    To have an actual big impact on murder rates, the change would need to be within the marginal 10% of gunshots. But even going from 25% survival to 75% survival for this group would only decrease the gunshot murder rate by 5% over about 20 years.

    In other words, I think "advances in ER needs to be accounted for in murder rates" makes sense if you are talking about the 1950 v 2000. But not really the past 20 years or so.

    It is possible that cell phones, by enabling quicker 911 calls for street shootings, and perhaps letting someone provide help while calling 911 and waiting for the ambulance, had a positive impact on survival, maybe bigger than medical advances in ER care.

    If it is nighttime in 1985 and you see someone shot and bleeding at night in a residential part of a vibrant area, how are you going to call for help? Payphones are not usually on residential street and might be 3-4 blocks away or more, even if you actually knew where the closest one was. Nobody will answer their door at night in the ghetto, and it isn't very safe to try. Maybe it is another 15 minutes before you can call for help v that situation today.

    Great post. Excellent thinking you’re right about cell phones.

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  106. Yak-15 says:
    @prosa123
    Offsetting improved medical care is the increased deadliness of modern firearms. The old six-shooter revolvers are giving way to automatic pistols holding two or even three times as many rounds. That means more multiple hits, and even the best medical care in the world is not going to help much with someone with several bullet wounds.

    The majority of black deaths in Chicago and elsewhere are due to handguns. Last I checked those have not changed much since semi-automatic pistols became prevalent in the 1930s. Ammunition has been improved – hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don’t even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    It’s not like we have exploding bullets, proton pistols and plasma rifles out there.

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    Up until the 70s, most hoods had cheap pocket pistols made out of crap. Then the Saturday Night Special laws came in and they got better guns. "Unintended Consequences".

    In the 90s, the Glock became the sidearm of choice for rap musicians and then black hoodlums in general. This increased the danger not as much to the intended target as much as to bystanders, because the high capacity meant they could and usually did lay down a lot of fire in the general direction.
    , @prosa123
    Semi-auto pistols have been around for decades but they haven't become significantly more popular than revolvers until the last 30 years or so.
    , @AB-

    Ammunition has been improved – hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don’t even aim much less know what ammo to buy.
     
    After the FBI had 2 agents killed and 5 out of the remaining 6 seriously effed up by one gunman in '86, they went to the ammo makers and gave them a list of qualities they wanted the new ammo to have.

    First was penetration, at least 16" in ballistic gelatin, a kind of super Jello that makes a decent clone of tissue, then they wanted the bullet to hold together if shot thru various layers of clothing, drywall, car doors, glass, and wood doors. Also something that the hollowpoint will reliably expand and leave big wound cavities.

    In '90, Winchester came out with the .40S&W, this was a cut down 10mm cartridge that would fit into a 9mm framed gun. Had a lot more energy, and had the early style FBI bullets. That became the default LE cartridge for 25 years. Couple of years ago, FBI decided the 9mm, with the newest bullet designs was just as effective as the .40, so they're going back to the 9mm.

    Of course almost all the other LE are doing the same thing, dropping the .40 and getting new 9mm guns.

    I agree the marksmanship of the typical ghetto rat is pretty poor, but if you get close enough and surprise the victim, half a magazine will usually do the job. Usually anything that costs at least $1 a round will have the best bullets and be the most lethal. I'm partial to bonded Gold Dots or Golden Sabre...

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    The cultural problem the black population harbors is not that they ‘don’t care’ about their dead neighbors. It’s that they do not respond to external circumstances at all in what civic capacity they do have.
     
    Or, to put it another way, they don't care.

    Idiot.

    They say they care, but they would rather black criminals run free than be chucked into whitey’s justice system.

    They consider black cops traitors to blackness no matter how hard they work for their own. The corrupt or incompetent black cop, however, is seen as going over on the white man.

    Resentment is a powerful thing.

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    And doing well in school is also considered a betrayal of blackness.

    But blaming whites for poor educational outcomes allows them to get their victimhood high and jeep money flowing to education schemes.
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  108. Vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    Another one would be Richard Rorty’s “Achieving Our Country”
     
    A German who has read Richard Rorty? I knew one well a long time ago, in fact he is the only person I can remember ever mentioning him. Are you about 40, and had a chubby but cute blonde American girlfriend in the late 1990's?

    Or maybe there are a lot of you!

    Dieter is huge in Europe , but virtually unknown in North America.

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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @prosa123
    38's and 9's have roughly the same stopping power. Maybe a slight edge to the 9, but not much.

    Both are far less deadly than centerfire rifles and especially shotguns, but neither type of weapon is much used in homicides.

    Shotguns are extremely deadly-at point blank range. With standard shot loads the lethality drops very rapidly with distance. I killed a suspected rabid dog once that had been shot twice with 12 gauge birdshot loads and he had something like fifty pellets under his skin, steel and lead shot, and none penetrated more than a quarter inch. I also have a couple friends who have had hunting incidents and been shot with shotguns from a fair distance. One had a few pellets get through his heavy winter clothing and had to have pellets taken out at the ER, but certainly no life threatening injuries. The other did not have a single pellet penetrate.

    Buckshot is another matter, as are rifled slugs-they even have rifled barrels, which makes the shotgun into an actual rifle when using the proper slugs. These can be deadly at fair ranges and the slug guns capable of surprising accuracy at up to 100 yards or so.

    .38 Spl and 9mm Parabellum are similar but the .38 comes in +P versions with fairly impressive ballistics. Of course the .357 magnum is just a .38 with a longer case and has proven a manstopper.

    .357, .41, .44 magnums all make a great lever action rifle load as well.

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  110. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Professor David Pyrooz

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???

    http://www.colorado.edu/sociology/david-pyrooz

    Research Interests

    Gangs and criminal networks
    Incarceration and offender reentry
    Crime trends and life course criminology
    Criminal justice policy and practice

    Biography

    David Pyrooz is Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Colorado Boulder. He is also a faculty associate in the Problem Behavior and Positive Youth Development Program in the Institute of Behavioral Science. He received the BS and MS in Criminology from California State University, Fresno, and the PhD in Criminology and Criminal Justice from Arizona State University in 2012. Prior to joining the Department of Sociology in 2015, he was a faculty member in the College of Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University. He was the 2015 recipient of the inaugural New Scholar Award from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences and the 2016 recipient of the Ruth Shonle Cavan Young Scholar award from the American Society of Criminology. He is the co-author of Confronting Gangs: Crime and Community (Oxford), the co-editor of The Wiley Handbook of Gangs (Wiley-Blackwell), and the author of a National Institute of Justice white paper on the relationship between gang affiliation and restrictive housing in U.S. prisons.
     

    The Pyrooz paper about Ferguson was discussed in Steve’s comment section before. It is flawed in many ways. The most egregious flaw is that it does not model a discrete shift in crime at the Ferguson date. I suspect that adding a dummy variable at the Ferguson date would produce a statistically significant result showing that there was an immediate Ferguson effect.

    Anyone out there willing to do some statistical work should rerun his model and add that dummy variable. There should be a publishable paper there.

    Pyrooz’s data is here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/36122

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    Or maybe this is the data: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/biblio/resources/121169

    It is hard to tell exactly where the data is.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Missing "Dummy" Variables???

    How about willfully ignored obvious variables.

    Sounds like Sailer's critique of Prof David Card's notorious claim that massive immigration is likely to increase wages solely based on his study of Miami in the late seventies while ignoring the exploding drug trade's effect on the local economy and the south Florida real estate boom.

    Prof David Card for decades now has become the NYT's go to economics expert on all things immigration related.

    It seems that Pyrooz's ambition is to due the same Criminology, pushing the elites call for an end on the war on drugs and the "de-policing" of black neighborhoods.

    The state of PC terror is such in academia that Prof Pyrooz is likely to get away with such nonsense.

    Just watch Pyrooz become the next Cultural Marxist Media "rockstar" professor.
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  111. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period. Given the differences in historic black white crime rates then lynching seems less racial then painted by the Cultural Marxists.

    Source?

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  112. Ivy says:
    @Joe Sweet

    An Iranian & Jewish??? sociology Professor living in the urban hellhole of Boulder CO so as to better observe up close the realities of the Black ghetto.

    Who would have guessed???
     

    There are tons of Iranian Jews. Many came to my home town of Seattle after the Ayatollah took over in '79. Probably many more went to LA and other cities with prosperous Jewish communities.

    I wouldn't knock Pyrooz's knowledge of the ghetto/barrio just because of his current view of it from Boulder. Judging from his CV he seems to have spent his entire academic career in: 48% Black and Hispanic Huntsville TX, 47% Hispanic Fresno, and 47% Hispanic and Black Phoenix. There's also his implied knowledge of urban New Jersey (did he grow up around there?) with the reference to the murder of his grandfather you mentioned in your follow-up comment.

    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah. Think Beverly Hills (Shahs of Sunset, Bijan boutique, McMansions with big columns), Westwood (Teherangeles, Persian Square, just south of Steve’s UCLA), Encino and other west San Fernando Valley areas. I had the pleasure of evicting some from a rental property in Encino. My buddy’s comment was: “you got the best of both worlds.” That being said, the more refined citizens tend to be smart and entrepreneurial, and many of the women are quite striking.

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    I've always regarded the better class of Iranians as de facto whites, as with the Japanese and a few other smaller groups.
    , @Art Deco
    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah.

    There were only about 80,000 Jews in Iran in 1979.
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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yak-15
    The majority of black deaths in Chicago and elsewhere are due to handguns. Last I checked those have not changed much since semi-automatic pistols became prevalent in the 1930s. Ammunition has been improved - hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don't even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    It's not like we have exploding bullets, proton pistols and plasma rifles out there.

    Up until the 70s, most hoods had cheap pocket pistols made out of crap. Then the Saturday Night Special laws came in and they got better guns. “Unintended Consequences”.

    In the 90s, the Glock became the sidearm of choice for rap musicians and then black hoodlums in general. This increased the danger not as much to the intended target as much as to bystanders, because the high capacity meant they could and usually did lay down a lot of fire in the general direction.

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    Up until the 70s, most hoods had cheap pocket pistols made out of crap.

    This is true, but I think that more than any other factor it was the money brought in by the drug trade that enabled thugs to purchase higher quality weapons.
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  114. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ivy
    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah. Think Beverly Hills (Shahs of Sunset, Bijan boutique, McMansions with big columns), Westwood (Teherangeles, Persian Square, just south of Steve's UCLA), Encino and other west San Fernando Valley areas. I had the pleasure of evicting some from a rental property in Encino. My buddy's comment was: "you got the best of both worlds." That being said, the more refined citizens tend to be smart and entrepreneurial, and many of the women are quite striking.

    I’ve always regarded the better class of Iranians as de facto whites, as with the Japanese and a few other smaller groups.

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  115. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    Not to mention the roughly 1500 non-blacks, mostly whites lynched for murder, kidnapping & livestock rustling during the period.
     
    Yes, people nowadays act as if blacks were the exclusive victims of lynching. Apparently, they are unaware that the term was (perhaps) first used to describe suppression of royalists by an american revolutionary soldier, or that it was not uncommon in the old west. Hasn't anybody seen "The Oxbow Incident" or "Hang 'em High"? Those stories didn't come from nowhere.

    Hasn’t anybody seen “The Oxbow Incident” or “Hang ‘em High”? Those stories didn’t come from nowhere.

    You mean the 27-year-olds who work for newspapers and opinion journals? No, probably not. But you’re right, lynchings were a staple plot in westerns. I never even realized they were supposed to be a racial thing until I was about twenty. Westerns are just sort of forgotten about now.

    That was the whole problem in the Jena 6 case. They apparently got the idea to hang the noose from an episode of the TV version of Lonesome Dove, and nobody who wrote up the news had ever heard of such a thing as a white person ever lynching another white.

    I guess the gap between the kind of people who would watch Lonesome Dove and the kind of people who wouldn’t is just too great.

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  116. @prosa123
    Offsetting improved medical care is the increased deadliness of modern firearms. The old six-shooter revolvers are giving way to automatic pistols holding two or even three times as many rounds. That means more multiple hits, and even the best medical care in the world is not going to help much with someone with several bullet wounds.

    This might be true if the majority of gang bangers were using Federal Hydra-Shok rounds or other man stoppers. The large majority of bullets are nowhere near match tier or specific anti-personnel if they’re traditional cartridges such as 9mm, .40, or 45 ACP.

    I’m still seeing people being arrested with Ravens ffs. Again, these are not people by and large using extremely lethal rounds. Let’s not play this autistic game where we play at purposefully obtuse to compare two situations.

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  117. @FactsAreImportant
    The Pyrooz paper about Ferguson was discussed in Steve's comment section before. It is flawed in many ways. The most egregious flaw is that it does not model a discrete shift in crime at the Ferguson date. I suspect that adding a dummy variable at the Ferguson date would produce a statistically significant result showing that there was an immediate Ferguson effect.

    Anyone out there willing to do some statistical work should rerun his model and add that dummy variable. There should be a publishable paper there.

    Pyrooz's data is here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/36122

    Or maybe this is the data: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/biblio/resources/121169

    It is hard to tell exactly where the data is.

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  118. Meanwhile, the tribe donates American money to the tribe in America and no one else:

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/04/israel-to-donate-1-million-to-houston-jewish-community-hit-by-harvey.html

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  119. Ivy says:
    @Name Withheld
    Another type of crime has taken off in the last few years. Filing fraudulent tax returns with stolen ID's. The DOJ website has all sorts of news releases about people getting arrested for this.

    A local crime getting more publicity these days involves car tags and registrations. Enterprising youths try to peel off the license plate sticker tags and may also take the paperwork out of glove boxes in unlocked cars. Either theft can be trouble for the unsuspecting driver. Some thieves just want a current tag to avoid being pulled over for an expired tag. Others can leverage that registration document to try to get a car transferred via extracurricular methods. When you next put on that renewal tag, take an extra minute to use a knife to slice it up like a modern little multi-piece price tag so that it can’t peeled off in one piece.

    The experienced thieves try to grab a garage door opener, too. Why not try to open a garage and walk right into a house (what, you left that door unlocked? Overnight?), then dash away maybe in your other car, with more goodies. Neighbors just had that little adventure. More patient types note the opener code and model, and then gin up their own opener for future reference.

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  120. @The True and Original David
    My hunch is that the trope "Deep South was full of lynchers" is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up, and was pushed in a big way only after the Leo Frank incident (1915).

    It is amazing what you can find on that case.

    For example, this where it is reported that:

    Around 2014, Wikipedia activist editor TonyStewart14 (who formerly curated the now defunct ‘Frank Case Library’ at leofranklibrary.org (now part of the definitive Leo Frank Research Library and Archive at http://www.leofrank.org) contacted Leonard Dinnerstein on Facebook to ask him directly about the alleged “hang the Jew” death threats incident at the Frank trial and Dinnerstein responded the evidence for it was insufficient, this was a shocking turn of events, after the professor emeritus of Judaic studies had propounded it as truth for almost 5 decades!

    Steve Oney, 1982

    More here: https://theamericanmercury.org/2014/03/tom-watson-the-leo-frank-case/

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  121. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Yak-15
    The majority of black deaths in Chicago and elsewhere are due to handguns. Last I checked those have not changed much since semi-automatic pistols became prevalent in the 1930s. Ammunition has been improved - hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don't even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    It's not like we have exploding bullets, proton pistols and plasma rifles out there.

    Semi-auto pistols have been around for decades but they haven’t become significantly more popular than revolvers until the last 30 years or so.

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    How about: They have been around for more than a century.

    John Moses Browning's M1911 was adopted by the Army in 1911 but was preceded by other designs going back to the late 1800s.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/M1911_pistol
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  122. Alden says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Not unless you don't care about due process.

    Due process has been stretched way, way, too far. For instance vicious black thugs who abuse students and teachers and can’t be expelled because of due process.

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  123. @Lot
    That's interesting and nice to hear some specifics on this issue.

    So what percentage of people shot in 1995 would be saved if they had been shot in 2017?

    I would think that more than 90%

    (1) would die under either circumstance (e.g., direct head shot)
    (2) would survive under either circumstance. (e.g., single shot to the foot)

    To have an actual big impact on murder rates, the change would need to be within the marginal 10% of gunshots. But even going from 25% survival to 75% survival for this group would only decrease the gunshot murder rate by 5% over about 20 years.

    In other words, I think "advances in ER needs to be accounted for in murder rates" makes sense if you are talking about the 1950 v 2000. But not really the past 20 years or so.

    It is possible that cell phones, by enabling quicker 911 calls for street shootings, and perhaps letting someone provide help while calling 911 and waiting for the ambulance, had a positive impact on survival, maybe bigger than medical advances in ER care.

    If it is nighttime in 1985 and you see someone shot and bleeding at night in a residential part of a vibrant area, how are you going to call for help? Payphones are not usually on residential street and might be 3-4 blocks away or more, even if you actually knew where the closest one was. Nobody will answer their door at night in the ghetto, and it isn't very safe to try. Maybe it is another 15 minutes before you can call for help v that situation today.

    I’m telling you specific changes in how ALS was performed in the last 20 years. Hell, there wasn’t even an EMS program in the country that bore a resemblance to what we know as EMS until the late 60s with LAFD’s paramedic program. Until then you were lucky if there was a “rescueman” program but more likely than not you had volunteers at best. 12 Lead interpretation wasn’t standard of care until late 90s early 00, and you’re gonna tell me “no big deal maaaan”?

    The ME Wars totally changed how we did business, but I get you’re doing your thing where you double down on whatever your initial belief was regardless of how wrong you were. Do you know what permissive hypotension means without Google and comprehending why its becoming standard practice? How about why giving blood product is such a huge leap in doing business to save lives? Do you know what PHTLS/ATLS means and why they’re important?

    No, you don’t but Dawkins forbid Lot admits he’s wrong. Cell phones play a part but trying to handwave away the massive advances in EMS is just foolish.

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  124. @prosa123
    Semi-auto pistols have been around for decades but they haven't become significantly more popular than revolvers until the last 30 years or so.

    How about: They have been around for more than a century.

    John Moses Browning’s M1911 was adopted by the Army in 1911 but was preceded by other designs going back to the late 1800s.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/M1911_pistol

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    John Moses Browning’s M1911 was adopted by the Army in 1911 but was preceded by other designs going back to the late 1800s.

    Semiautomatic pistols are nothing new. My point is that they remained relatively uncommon, far outsold by revolvers, until companies such as Raven Arms and Lorcin began mass producing so-called "Saturday Night Specials" starting in the mid-1970's and continuing for about 20 years.
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  125. AB- says:
    @Yak-15
    The majority of black deaths in Chicago and elsewhere are due to handguns. Last I checked those have not changed much since semi-automatic pistols became prevalent in the 1930s. Ammunition has been improved - hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don't even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    It's not like we have exploding bullets, proton pistols and plasma rifles out there.

    Ammunition has been improved – hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don’t even aim much less know what ammo to buy.

    After the FBI had 2 agents killed and 5 out of the remaining 6 seriously effed up by one gunman in ’86, they went to the ammo makers and gave them a list of qualities they wanted the new ammo to have.

    First was penetration, at least 16″ in ballistic gelatin, a kind of super Jello that makes a decent clone of tissue, then they wanted the bullet to hold together if shot thru various layers of clothing, drywall, car doors, glass, and wood doors. Also something that the hollowpoint will reliably expand and leave big wound cavities.

    In ’90, Winchester came out with the .40S&W, this was a cut down 10mm cartridge that would fit into a 9mm framed gun. Had a lot more energy, and had the early style FBI bullets. That became the default LE cartridge for 25 years. Couple of years ago, FBI decided the 9mm, with the newest bullet designs was just as effective as the .40, so they’re going back to the 9mm.

    Of course almost all the other LE are doing the same thing, dropping the .40 and getting new 9mm guns.

    I agree the marksmanship of the typical ghetto rat is pretty poor, but if you get close enough and surprise the victim, half a magazine will usually do the job. Usually anything that costs at least $1 a round will have the best bullets and be the most lethal. I’m partial to bonded Gold Dots or Golden Sabre…

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    Here is a firearms expert's detailed analysis of the 1986 Miami Shootout, there's much more to the story than usually reported:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8cByaVyNQ

    Note: many "tacticool" types in the firearms community boast how they'd totally be able to shoot criminals in self-defense. Paul Harrell, who made this video, actually did so.
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  126. AM says:
    @Ed
    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.

    There's a sense of betrayal.

    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.

    I need to find this graph again, but it’s possible via timelines to trace the decrease in number of lynchings in the South with the rise of professional police forces. In other words lynchings go down as the ability to call the police goes up.

    Living here in a slice of it, I can tell from the age of the buildings in my neck of the woods, it was very rural until the 1960s.

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    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?
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  127. Art Deco says:
    @Ivy
    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah. Think Beverly Hills (Shahs of Sunset, Bijan boutique, McMansions with big columns), Westwood (Teherangeles, Persian Square, just south of Steve's UCLA), Encino and other west San Fernando Valley areas. I had the pleasure of evicting some from a rental property in Encino. My buddy's comment was: "you got the best of both worlds." That being said, the more refined citizens tend to be smart and entrepreneurial, and many of the women are quite striking.

    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah.

    There were only about 80,000 Jews in Iran in 1979.

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    Wikipedia indicates about 50,000 in greater Los Angeles area so a thriving community, even with our famous sprawl.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles
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  128. @Art Deco
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed 'capital crimes' are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    C’mon Art it’s the same essential vector–lawlessness.

    And while you are often bringing reasonable “reality check” corrective points to the table you’re not even trying with the numbers here. If we’re really talking about the South and including the time before the great migration then the populations are even more heavily black. If blacks are 8x whites in murder today, they would have indeed accounted for 70%–in some states 80% or 90% of the murders in the South. And the South was considerably more rural and “lawless” than the North.

    No denying the racial element here–often a clear message to blacks not to bring their crime to whites. But indeed white southerners did have a particular problem–not unlike the frontier problem. They had legitimately sociopathic “bad dudes”–a much more common morph in places less subject to civilizational selection, such as sub-Saharan Africa–who were not easy to find and/or successfully bring to trial for lack of witnesses. And in fact several–don’t know numbers–of these lynchings were for crimes against blacks. People are outraged and not going to take any more crap from known troublemaker.

    I’d imagine if we still had 1960ish levels of black family formation, and black householders could get away with it, we’d see some lynchings in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St.Louis today with responsible black dads removing the known criminal a*holes from their streets so they could be semi-livable for their families.

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    When Peyton Manning's favorite receiver retired from the NFL after a long and productive career, he went back to his native slum and opened a bar. This neighborhood had long been plagued by a disorderly criminal, who quickly began preying upon patrons of the returning hero's tavern.

    Then one day the local bad guy was dead. The neighbors and the cops definitely didn't seem seem to mind.

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.
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  129. CCZ says:
    @Opinionator
    What is the upshot of all of this?

    StillCARealist (at # 48) asked:

    “What do you think of Lincoln’s comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder?”

    My points:

    “Lynching” was initially “political” not “racial.” Six gamblers were lynched in Vicksburg, 7 slaves were lynched during a Mississippi slave uprising panic, and a free black steamboat hand (who had killed a deputy sheriff and wounded another in St. Louis) was taken from the jail and burned to death but, beyond those three gruesome events, Lincoln appears to have been exaggerating for his political benefit (just like today!). There was no recorded “epidemic of lynching and murder.”

    Lynching was not just racial but also political, religious, ethnic, and “extra-legal” (petty and major crime suspects and suspects awaiting trial, convicted felons, prisoners, abusive spouses, even lawyers!).

    History is complex, understanding requires detail and context, and interpretation requires acknowledging the many shades of gray between the black and white extremes. And research helps answer questions!

    The cited Political Violence Data Base is just one resource for understanding the varieties, diversity, intensity, and context of America’s political, racial, religious, economic, and ethnic violence.

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  130. Logan says:
    @StillCARealist
    What do you think of Lincoln's comment about people hanging from trees like the Spanish moss? Is that hyperbole or was there really an epidemic of lynching and murder? Doesn't sound very nice. And he says nothing of the guilt of the man burned alive.

    I suspect his remarks regarding the vigilantes hanging gamblers had a little bit of hyperbole to it. I’ve never seen an accurate number, and I’d be kind of surprised if any has ever assembled one.

    With regard to the guilt of the Negro burned alive:

    -Similar too, is the correct reasoning, in regard to the burning of the negro at St. Louis. He had forfeited his life, by the perpetration of an outrageous murder, upon one of the most worthy and respectable citizens of the city; and had not he died as he did, he must have died by the sentence of the law, in a very short time afterwards. As to him alone, it was as well the way it was, as it could otherwise have been.–But the example in either case, was fearful.–When men take it in their heads to day, to hang gamblers, or burn murderers, they should recollect, that, in the confusion usually attending such transactions, they will be as likely to hang or burn some one who is neither.

    In which Lincoln, as usual, is entirely correct.

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  131. Great point Steve . That vacation was a damn good one . You’re on fire , my friend .

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  132. Ivy says:
    @Art Deco
    Iranian Jews live in several neighborhoods around Los Angeles, and started coming in large numbers around the time of the fall of the Shah.

    There were only about 80,000 Jews in Iran in 1979.

    Wikipedia indicates about 50,000 in greater Los Angeles area so a thriving community, even with our famous sprawl.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

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  133. Thea says:
    @Anonymous
    They say they care, but they would rather black criminals run free than be chucked into whitey's justice system.

    They consider black cops traitors to blackness no matter how hard they work for their own. The corrupt or incompetent black cop, however, is seen as going over on the white man.

    Resentment is a powerful thing.

    And doing well in school is also considered a betrayal of blackness.

    But blaming whites for poor educational outcomes allows them to get their victimhood high and jeep money flowing to education schemes.

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    " And doing well in school is also consider a betrayal of blackness" . Amen.

    The ultimate goal of many young black American males is the state of "Bad".

    To be seen as "Bad" by one's peers and society is the most cherished accomplishment of a huge segment of black american male society, and this abberation is being reinforced and nurtured by the Bentley-driving millionaire "bad" black rappers.

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a "thug" expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  134. lavoisier says: • Website
    @The True and Original David
    My hunch is that the trope "Deep South was full of lynchers" is greatly exaggerated if not completely made up, and was pushed in a big way only after the Leo Frank incident (1915).

    There was way too much barbarity going on. Entire communities would come out to watch a man being burned alive. If it happened once, it was still a travesty of justice and a reflection of human evil.

    Guilty or not, burning someone alive is a horror and those who participated in such a horror are savages.

    These horrors ultimately led to the Civil War and the horrors of that terrible war.

    All so a few people could get rich enslaving others.

    And we are still paying for the crimes of the few to this day.

    Evil begets evil.

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    Not a lot of burning alive before the Civil War. Much too expensive a diversion for most people.

    After all, a slave cost more than the average annual family income at the time.

    One of the largest burning alive incidents was in NYC in 1712, but that was all done according to legal forms.

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  135. @Dieter Kief
    Uhh - I did have a cute American girlfriend - but a tad earlier, and she had long brown hair; she loved softball and knew how to move and to speak - and was... very charming: She almost managed to make me stay in the US.

    (Philosophically, I right away thought, that Rorty had no good reason really, to give in to postmodern relativism (I still wonder at times, what made him do so).

    And I always admired the patience, with which Habermas reacted to his friend Rorty's mistakes (in hindsight, they were big ones - even bigger than they appeared to be in beginning of the last quarter of the 20th century, when the Rorty-reception started to bloom).

    I did like his straightforwardness a lot though - and for obvious reasons was - as a German indeed - fascinated by the very fact, that somebody like Rorty (=a liberal= critical mind) was at the same time able to be - - proud of his country.

    Rorty was the grandson of Walter Rauschenbusch, the famous ‘social gospel’ preacher. Rorty himself was an atheist, but the shape of his thought was formed by Grandpa’s vision, i.e. the building of an earthly utopia that human nature was sufficiently good, or sufficiently perfectible, to achieve.

    Rorty appealed to continental analytic and later postmodernist critiques to tear down Christian/western ‘metanarratives’ and truth claims, but then believed, naively, that an American synthesis of pragmatism and democracy, based on leftist/Deweyian practices, could ‘achieve’ an idealized society. Rorty couldn’t seem to live with the nihilism and despair of the continental deconstructionists/postmodernists, so he turned — pragmatically, if you will — to the deracinated scraps of the western tradition he could still believe in to use as the foundation for his sad little utopia.

    Rorty was very smart, and very influential in the 80s and 90s, not least because he wrote some of the clearest, most accessible prose you’ll ever find among philosophers. His books are downright enjoyable to read, unlike so many of his intellectual progenitors and peers.

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    The other team no longer enjoys the services of men like him.

    One hopes that will be enough.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Oh, - a Rorty-family affair - I'm sure, Albrecht Wellmer, who set Richard Rorty on the philosophical agenda in Konstanz, did know this religious and utopian Rorty background from Habermas - but both kept quiet about the subject. I for sure did not know it - so: Thanks!

    You might have solved my problem, why Rorty gave in to postmodernist relativism.

    Another reason might be, that students in the US are customers - and that's a classical role-conflict. Because to keep the customer satisfied, you might be inclined to give in to his ideas - however unsound they might be. It might be more difficult, to resist student's half-cooked mentality and idealism too, under such conditions. This - ehe!- material component of the American (higher) educationals system might as well be a real obstacle. It might (in part, ok) corrupt the higher education.

    All in all: The oedipal tension between the grown up and the young lad is in the way of a "relaxed" (= cool) student/ teacher relationship. And it should by no no means be depotentialised, because then, the grown up is inclined to give in to the students reamland of ishful thinking (=feeling) - and tends to sacrifice the reality-principle (=Freud/(Sailer)), which is of course - desillusioning by it's very structure and therefor not really desirable at all.

    (When I at times did teach at the university - and did critizise postmodern positions, which I did, quite clearly, be it those of Derrida, or Foucault, or Lacan or Rorty or whoever... - I felt an enormous emotional resistance. Within my peer group, even. It at those times - late eighties - to lots of my peers - - seemed just not appropriate, to act in such a disturbing manner).

    Ahh- the whole experience was interesting. But after a while I found, I had more rewarding things to do than teach the unwilling - and that turned out to be true, actually).

    The late Habermas did give in to the importance of Religion a few years ago. His book-length discussion with Ratzinger, right before Ratzinger became elected Pope (=Benedikt), is respectful and full of insights too.

    As are (at least) two of Habermas' later books: Between naturalism and Religion and Postmetaphysical Thinking II - Two essays from Postmetphysical Thinking II are interesting in our context especially:

    How to word the sacred (forword) and Religion in the Public Sphere of the Postsecular Society

    (Both titles are my translations and might therefor appear a bit different in the above cited english books).
    , @Dieter Kief
    Oh, - a Rorty-family affair - I'm sure, Albrecht Wellmer, who set Richard Rorty on the philosophical agenda in Konstanz, did know this religious and utopian Rorty background from Habermas - but both kept quiet about the subject. I for sure did not know it - so: Thanks!

    You might have solved my problem, why Rorty gave in to postmodernist relativism.

    Another reason might be, that students in the US are customers - and that's a classical role-conflict. Because to keep the customer satisfied, you might be inclined to give in to his ideas - however unsound they might be. It might be more difficult, to resist student's half-cooked mentality and idealism too, under such conditions. This - ehe!- material component of the American (higher) educationals system might as well be a real obstacle. It might (in part, ok) corrupt the higher education.

    All in all: The oedipal tension between the grown up and the young lad is in the way of a "relaxed" (= cool) student/ teacher relationship. And it should by no no means be depotentialised, because then, the grown up is inclined to give in to the students reamland of ishful thinking (=feeling) - and tends to sacrifice the reality-principle (=Freud/(Sailer)), which is of course - desillusioning by it's very structure and therefor not really desirable at all.

    (When I at times did teach at the university - and did critizise postmodern positions, which I did, quite clearly, be it those of Derrida, or Foucault, or Lacan or Rorty or whoever... - I felt an enormous emotional resistance. Within my peer group, even. It at those times - late eighties - to lots of my peers - - seemed just not appropriate, to act in such a disturbing manner).

    Ahh- the whole experience was interesting. But after a while I found, I had more rewarding things to do than teach the unwilling - and that turned out to be true, actually).

    The late Habermas did give in to the importance of Religion a few years ago. His book-length discussion with Ratzinger, right before Ratzinger was elected Pope (=Benedikt), is respectful and full of insights too.

    As are (at least) two of Habermas' later books: Between Naturalism and Religion and Postmetaphysical Thinking II - Two essays from Postmetphysical Thinking II are especially interesting in our context:

    How to word the sacred (forword) and Religion in the Public Sphere of the Postsecular Society

    (Both titles are my translations and might therefor appear a bit different in the above cited english books).
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  136. res says:

    Any statistics for how often the Baltimore police are shot at (and/or hit and injured) per year? This happening recently was the topic of the headline. Here are some national numbers for last year: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/number-police-officers-killed-job-rose-sharply-2016/

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  137. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Rorty was the grandson of Walter Rauschenbusch, the famous 'social gospel' preacher. Rorty himself was an atheist, but the shape of his thought was formed by Grandpa's vision, i.e. the building of an earthly utopia that human nature was sufficiently good, or sufficiently perfectible, to achieve.

    Rorty appealed to continental analytic and later postmodernist critiques to tear down Christian/western 'metanarratives' and truth claims, but then believed, naively, that an American synthesis of pragmatism and democracy, based on leftist/Deweyian practices, could 'achieve' an idealized society. Rorty couldn't seem to live with the nihilism and despair of the continental deconstructionists/postmodernists, so he turned -- pragmatically, if you will -- to the deracinated scraps of the western tradition he could still believe in to use as the foundation for his sad little utopia.

    Rorty was very smart, and very influential in the 80s and 90s, not least because he wrote some of the clearest, most accessible prose you'll ever find among philosophers. His books are downright enjoyable to read, unlike so many of his intellectual progenitors and peers.

    The other team no longer enjoys the services of men like him.

    One hopes that will be enough.

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  138. @AM

    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.
     
    I need to find this graph again, but it's possible via timelines to trace the decrease in number of lynchings in the South with the rise of professional police forces. In other words lynchings go down as the ability to call the police goes up.

    Living here in a slice of it, I can tell from the age of the buildings in my neck of the woods, it was very rural until the 1960s.

    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?

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    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?
     
    What happens in a small community (less than 1000 say) if everyone is painfully aware of a terrible, aweful that was committed? And everyone also knew that the sheriff was far away and overworked. That justice would never come if the community did not act on it's own. And that refusing to act might result in more violence.

    That's why a police force reduces lynchings. If you know the wheels of justice will turn at some point, there is little reason to act on your own. While it's hard to support vigilante justice even in those scenarios, it makes the men involved much less unknowable monsters.

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  139. @watson79
    The black reaction to increased crime reminds me of nationalist movements in the third world. Think of countries run by whites that gain independence. The corruption, oppression, and degeneracy that follow are simply ignored. Some may complain, but no movement ever emerges to restore white tutelage.

    The whites in charge of such things don’t want the burden. That’s why they promote mediocre blacks who hate whites.

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  140. @AnotherDad

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.
     
    C'mon Art it's the same essential vector--lawlessness.

    And while you are often bringing reasonable "reality check" corrective points to the table you're not even trying with the numbers here. If we're really talking about the South and including the time before the great migration then the populations are even more heavily black. If blacks are 8x whites in murder today, they would have indeed accounted for 70%--in some states 80% or 90% of the murders in the South. And the South was considerably more rural and "lawless" than the North.

    No denying the racial element here--often a clear message to blacks not to bring their crime to whites. But indeed white southerners did have a particular problem--not unlike the frontier problem. They had legitimately sociopathic "bad dudes"--a much more common morph in places less subject to civilizational selection, such as sub-Saharan Africa--who were not easy to find and/or successfully bring to trial for lack of witnesses. And in fact several--don't know numbers--of these lynchings were for crimes against blacks. People are outraged and not going to take any more crap from known troublemaker.

    I'd imagine if we still had 1960ish levels of black family formation, and black householders could get away with it, we'd see some lynchings in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, St.Louis today with responsible black dads removing the known criminal a*holes from their streets so they could be semi-livable for their families.

    When Peyton Manning’s favorite receiver retired from the NFL after a long and productive career, he went back to his native slum and opened a bar. This neighborhood had long been plagued by a disorderly criminal, who quickly began preying upon patrons of the returning hero’s tavern.

    Then one day the local bad guy was dead. The neighbors and the cops definitely didn’t seem seem to mind.

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.

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    And that receiver was unusually small of stature.

    hmmm...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scouring_of_the_Shire
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.
     
    Yes, the worst the lefty sportswriters could manage to do to his reputation was to keep him out of the HoF for a couple of years. And actually, the mentioned receiver owns a number of different business in his old neighborhood with a number of employees being threatened.
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  141. Noah Carl says:

    Did anyone post this yet? Confirms that the Ferguson effect is real, and led to an increase in crime:

    ‘The Effects of Highly-Publicized Police Use-of-Force on Policing, Trust, and Crime: Evidence from Ferguson’ by Cheng Cheng and Wei Long

    (do a search for the working paper)

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  142. @Steve Sailer
    When Peyton Manning's favorite receiver retired from the NFL after a long and productive career, he went back to his native slum and opened a bar. This neighborhood had long been plagued by a disorderly criminal, who quickly began preying upon patrons of the returning hero's tavern.

    Then one day the local bad guy was dead. The neighbors and the cops definitely didn't seem seem to mind.

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.

    And that receiver was unusually small of stature.

    hmmm…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scouring_of_the_Shire

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  143. @Thea
    And doing well in school is also considered a betrayal of blackness.

    But blaming whites for poor educational outcomes allows them to get their victimhood high and jeep money flowing to education schemes.

    ” And doing well in school is also consider a betrayal of blackness” . Amen.

    The ultimate goal of many young black American males is the state of “Bad”.

    To be seen as “Bad” by one’s peers and society is the most cherished accomplishment of a huge segment of black american male society, and this abberation is being reinforced and nurtured by the Bentley-driving millionaire “bad” black rappers.

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a “thug” expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a “thug” expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.
     
    What happened to the whites in the same period? I don't think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen's English.

    Right now, the lowest bar for the mass in terms of class appears to be not spending money on tattoos and actually putting on pants before heading to WalMart. It's another win for equality.

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  144. Polynikes says:
    @George
    The article assumes Obama policing decisions were the result of ideology. More likely the US is slouching toward a financial crisis. So cutting unnecessary police is a consequence of spending decisions that predate Obama, specifically the Global Wars Everywhere. The hope was that businessman Trump would attempt to get control of miloyary spending but that does not seem to be the case.

    Hat tip pensiontsunami.com:

    Chicago has more retired police and firefighters than working - WP Original

    http://www.wirepoints.com/upside-down-demographics-of-chicago-public-safety-pensions-wp-original/

    Your Periodic Reminder That the V-22 Is a Piece of Junk
    Military tiltrotor still doesn’t work, still costs too much

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/your-periodic-reminder-that-the-v-22-is-a-piece-of-junk-db72a8a23ccf

    Numbers aren’t the problem. There weren’t mass layoffs in the last two years. It was Obama’s doj coming in and instituting civil rights cases on these police departments.

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  145. @Darryl Licht
    With Mr. Pyrooz's San Jose and Central Valley background I would suspect that he is Assyrian.

    Read my internet research.

    Prof Pyrooz is Iranian, and given when his grandfather immigrated here likely Jewish.

    Being Jewish is very helpful when it comes to getting tenure in Sociology. What are the odds.

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  146. Big Bill says:
    @Wilkey
    "If on the day before the Black Lives Matter movement emerged in August 2014 with backing from the Obama Administration, the prestige press, and respectable NGO’s like Soros, you had projected the number of blacks who would be murdered by other blacks over the next three years, based on the long term decline in homicides due to better medical care...

    People keep citing better medical treatment of shooting victims as one reason for the decline in murder rates, but that seems unlikely. In 1991 the overall violent crime rate was 716 per 100,000. By 2015 that had fallen by almost half, to 366 per 100k. Coincidentally (or not), murders declined by almost exactly the same percentage, from 9.8 to 5.3 per 100k. I recall seeing some stats a few years back that put the decline in shooting victims in line with both the declines in violent crime and murder rates.

    So very little of the decline in the murder rate over the last 25+ years has anything to do with better medical treatment of victims. My guess is that while improved medical treatment has saved extra lives, it's been offset by the decline in random shootings. 25 years ago a higher percentage of murder victims were killed in random shootings, like drive-by shootings. Those are the victims most likely to benefit from better ER treatment. So we have better medical treatment but a smaller percentage of victims who are able to benefit from that treatment. The rest are killed by perps who really, really want them dead. Those victims don't benefit quite so much.

    A drive-by is a “random shooting”?

    Typical example: a bunch of Crips hear that some Bloods are violating the social mores/unwritten law of the Southside of Chicago by visiting/partying/violating the turf of the Crips. The Crips hop their cars and start cruising the neighborhood. One car (driver+passengers) sees a cluster of folks wearing Bloods colors drinking on the corner. The car slows down, the passengers lean out and they blast the group. One winds up dead and two are wounded. The car speeds off.

    It was a deliberate, premeditated killing, done with malice aforethought, of a particular, specifically selected group of individuals for wrongs they committed. It meets the definition of “lynching”. I fail to see what is “random” about drive-by lynchings.

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  147. @FactsAreImportant
    The Pyrooz paper about Ferguson was discussed in Steve's comment section before. It is flawed in many ways. The most egregious flaw is that it does not model a discrete shift in crime at the Ferguson date. I suspect that adding a dummy variable at the Ferguson date would produce a statistically significant result showing that there was an immediate Ferguson effect.

    Anyone out there willing to do some statistical work should rerun his model and add that dummy variable. There should be a publishable paper there.

    Pyrooz's data is here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/36122

    Missing “Dummy” Variables???

    How about willfully ignored obvious variables.

    Sounds like Sailer’s critique of Prof David Card’s notorious claim that massive immigration is likely to increase wages solely based on his study of Miami in the late seventies while ignoring the exploding drug trade’s effect on the local economy and the south Florida real estate boom.

    Prof David Card for decades now has become the NYT’s go to economics expert on all things immigration related.

    It seems that Pyrooz’s ambition is to due the same Criminology, pushing the elites call for an end on the war on drugs and the “de-policing” of black neighborhoods.

    The state of PC terror is such in academia that Prof Pyrooz is likely to get away with such nonsense.

    Just watch Pyrooz become the next Cultural Marxist Media “rockstar” professor.

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  148. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @YetAnotherAnon
    via James laFond's site, this Baltimore story about properties which are unsellable due to huge liens for unpaid taxes and fines.

    For Sale: Boarded-up, crumbling former corner store assessed at $5,000. Price: $1.76 million

    It's pretty iSteveish, from Mr Rosenthal closing his food market and getting out in 1965 to newer residents like retired day-care worker Catherine Mwimbi .

    There just has to be a way to use these ridiculous tax/utility liens as a scam. You bought a few indebted properties for a dollar and make yourself technically bankrupt, in debt for millions. There must be some way to use this debt to your own benefit. Particularly since no attempts will be made to collect it.

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  149. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Then there is also blacks lynching blacks:


    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6
    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent's promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

     

    Newspapers in that period wrote about black-on-black crime with a certain wry amusement.

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  150. @Ed
    Lynching or vigilantism is a feature of rural communities the world over. When people in small communities violate the social norms of the community drastically people are extremely angered.

    There's a sense of betrayal.

    Rural areas had inadequate facilities for holding prisoners. If a criminal had a few friends, it was not difficult for them to bust him out of jail.

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  151. @Anonymous
    Up until the 70s, most hoods had cheap pocket pistols made out of crap. Then the Saturday Night Special laws came in and they got better guns. "Unintended Consequences".

    In the 90s, the Glock became the sidearm of choice for rap musicians and then black hoodlums in general. This increased the danger not as much to the intended target as much as to bystanders, because the high capacity meant they could and usually did lay down a lot of fire in the general direction.

    Up until the 70s, most hoods had cheap pocket pistols made out of crap.

    This is true, but I think that more than any other factor it was the money brought in by the drug trade that enabled thugs to purchase higher quality weapons.

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  152. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed 'capital crimes' are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Vectors? That isn’t even the right word, you pompous ass. And if by “capital crime” you mean murder, it is over half – typically in the range of 50-55% year-in, year-out. For rape and other serious crimes, it is likely more.

    You always strive for precision………….except when you don’t. Nitwit.

    You’re pedantry isn’t needed, here or anywhere. Why don’t you just go away. Crawl back into your library refence station, you puffed-up nothing.

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    Can't help ya with your emotional problems.
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  153. Truth says:
    @yyrvjh
    You can do whatever you like. That includes misspelling English words and trampling on the rule of law.

    LOL

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  154. Truth says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    In reality, blacks don't care about getting killed by other blacks. This is similar to the behavior of their co-racials in West Africa: It is supreme offense if other tribe's member slights your tribesman. But, killings within a tribe are fair game, no big fuss about that.

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.

    In short, stop thinking like a white man.

    No, white people here don’t seem to comment much on the %88 of whites killed by whites either. They are insignificant. You and BLM are pretty close.

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  155. @Steve Sailer
    When Peyton Manning's favorite receiver retired from the NFL after a long and productive career, he went back to his native slum and opened a bar. This neighborhood had long been plagued by a disorderly criminal, who quickly began preying upon patrons of the returning hero's tavern.

    Then one day the local bad guy was dead. The neighbors and the cops definitely didn't seem seem to mind.

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.

    A few sportswriters have put together evidence suggesting that everybody in the area assumes that the great football player had undertaken this neighborhood improvement project personally, but nobody feels like prosecuting him over it.

    Yes, the worst the lefty sportswriters could manage to do to his reputation was to keep him out of the HoF for a couple of years. And actually, the mentioned receiver owns a number of different business in his old neighborhood with a number of employees being threatened.

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  156. wrd9 says:
    @Logan
    "The NAACP says that 3,446 blacks were lynched in American history."

    True, they do say that. However, their count starts only in 1882. A good bit of American history, and quite a few lynchings of black people, took place before then.

    One famous case being addressed by A. Lincoln in his very first public speech in 1838.

    A free black man was seized by a mob and burned alive. Though he was indisputably guilty of the crime that inflamed the mob.

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/lyceum.htm

    Regarding interracial crimes, there are many more whites murdered by blacks every year than blacks being murdered by whites. About 200 more. And very heinous murders they can be such as being burned alive.

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    That's now. Probably not during the period in question.

    Also, the tally is of lynchings, which are a rather smallish subset of murders.

    Here's the Tuskegee definition:

    "There must be legal evidence that a person was killed. That person must have met death illegally. A group of three or more persons must have participated in the killing. The group must have acted under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

    It is probable there were many, many more murders of blacks by whites during this period than were classified as lynchings per this definition.

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  158. Olorin says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    "The NAACP claim that 3,446 blacks were lynched."

    Can we subtract from that number all those who actually were guilty of a capitol crime?

    It’s a interesting question. People immediately jump up to scream MUH CONSTITUTION at you merely hinting that “lynching” might be a term deployed for strategic and tactical reasons while toppling earlier statuary of public order under the law as it existed in those cases’ times and places.

    For starters, I have never seen the NAACP provide a complete legal and historic dossier on each and every one of those diverse 3,446 cases. They are presented with a tag-word–”lynching”–that asserts a fundamental equivalence that is not to be questioned in any way ever.

    Were any conducted with a measure of due process that was recognized by, say, local, county, or state law?

    But, say, never turned into a legal and media circus with the help of The Usual Suspects at the bar (both legal and the sort whereunto reporters repair to do drink beer and brag about their propaganda mongering)?

    Like it or not, it was not always the case that the (((NAACP, ACLU, SPLC))) and similar organizations determined what was and wasn’t legal from its towers in faraway urban hives.

    In fact I’d argue that the main impetus behind “civil” “rights” in the first place was to shift US law into a very restricted set of hands, using the violent and self destructive behavior of blacks as a sort of shock and awe approach to implementing ahistorical legalistic fundamentalism.

    Kind of like sharia law, only with more lox…and if my experience is any guide, more bacon.

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  159. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “de-policing is actually a good thing” is this year’s “part and parcel” by Mayor Kahn. Endless applications, easy to remember, devastatingly stupid.

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  160. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Lina Wertmuller was a sensation in the 70s, esp with SWEPT AWAY and SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    Simon wrote one of his most enthusiastic reviews ever on SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    And then, Wertmuller’s star fell. She failed to make another great film, and also, the new crop of critics had no use for her whatsoever. Feminists esp had no use for her, and most men in criticism are ‘male feminists’. Wertmuller was one of those leftists who mocked the left as well as the right. And her anarchic visual style was off-putting to critics with fetish for formalism. (I think ‘leftist’ hate Paglia for the same reason.)

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/10/the-chicago-international-film-festival-week-2-simon-says/

    I think Wertmuller was great up SEVEN BEAUTIES, and Simon’s review, in SOMETHING TO DECLARE, is one of the best.

    Anyway… a funny thing about Italian directors is when they decline, they really decline.
    Fellini totally lost it after 8 1/2. Pasolini lost it after 65, making one crud after another. Antonioni lost his stride after PASSENGER, even though many will say he was no good after BLOW-UP.
    Bertolucci lost it after LAST TANGO though his greatest glory in the eyes of the world was LAST EMPEROR, but does anyone much care about that one anymore? Sadly, most don’t seem to care about Tango either. Visconti never made another great film after THE LEOPARD even though THE DAMNED is lots of fun.

    Why do Italians burn out so badly? In contrast, even past their peak, Kurosawa and Bergman continued to make films of considerable interest. Maybe the mentality is ‘moon or bust’ for Italians. Too much high energy, grandiosity, or style. Less adept at working steadily and consistently. .
    (Has Paglia written anything significant after Sexual Personae? She bashes Sontag, but Sontag evolved and continued to engage with new ideas to the end.)

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    Coppola and Cimino too, but Scorsese has had a fine decline phase of solid movies.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Coppola and Cimino too, but Scorsese has had a fine decline phase of solid movies.
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  161. @Anon
    Lina Wertmuller was a sensation in the 70s, esp with SWEPT AWAY and SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    Simon wrote one of his most enthusiastic reviews ever on SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    And then, Wertmuller's star fell. She failed to make another great film, and also, the new crop of critics had no use for her whatsoever. Feminists esp had no use for her, and most men in criticism are 'male feminists'. Wertmuller was one of those leftists who mocked the left as well as the right. And her anarchic visual style was off-putting to critics with fetish for formalism. (I think 'leftist' hate Paglia for the same reason.)

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/10/the-chicago-international-film-festival-week-2-simon-says/

    I think Wertmuller was great up SEVEN BEAUTIES, and Simon's review, in SOMETHING TO DECLARE, is one of the best.

    Anyway... a funny thing about Italian directors is when they decline, they really decline.
    Fellini totally lost it after 8 1/2. Pasolini lost it after 65, making one crud after another. Antonioni lost his stride after PASSENGER, even though many will say he was no good after BLOW-UP.
    Bertolucci lost it after LAST TANGO though his greatest glory in the eyes of the world was LAST EMPEROR, but does anyone much care about that one anymore? Sadly, most don't seem to care about Tango either. Visconti never made another great film after THE LEOPARD even though THE DAMNED is lots of fun.

    Why do Italians burn out so badly? In contrast, even past their peak, Kurosawa and Bergman continued to make films of considerable interest. Maybe the mentality is 'moon or bust' for Italians. Too much high energy, grandiosity, or style. Less adept at working steadily and consistently. .
    (Has Paglia written anything significant after Sexual Personae? She bashes Sontag, but Sontag evolved and continued to engage with new ideas to the end.)

    Coppola and Cimino too, but Scorsese has had a fine decline phase of solid movies.

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  162. @Anon
    Lina Wertmuller was a sensation in the 70s, esp with SWEPT AWAY and SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    Simon wrote one of his most enthusiastic reviews ever on SEVEN BEAUTIES.

    And then, Wertmuller's star fell. She failed to make another great film, and also, the new crop of critics had no use for her whatsoever. Feminists esp had no use for her, and most men in criticism are 'male feminists'. Wertmuller was one of those leftists who mocked the left as well as the right. And her anarchic visual style was off-putting to critics with fetish for formalism. (I think 'leftist' hate Paglia for the same reason.)

    http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/1995/10/the-chicago-international-film-festival-week-2-simon-says/

    I think Wertmuller was great up SEVEN BEAUTIES, and Simon's review, in SOMETHING TO DECLARE, is one of the best.

    Anyway... a funny thing about Italian directors is when they decline, they really decline.
    Fellini totally lost it after 8 1/2. Pasolini lost it after 65, making one crud after another. Antonioni lost his stride after PASSENGER, even though many will say he was no good after BLOW-UP.
    Bertolucci lost it after LAST TANGO though his greatest glory in the eyes of the world was LAST EMPEROR, but does anyone much care about that one anymore? Sadly, most don't seem to care about Tango either. Visconti never made another great film after THE LEOPARD even though THE DAMNED is lots of fun.

    Why do Italians burn out so badly? In contrast, even past their peak, Kurosawa and Bergman continued to make films of considerable interest. Maybe the mentality is 'moon or bust' for Italians. Too much high energy, grandiosity, or style. Less adept at working steadily and consistently. .
    (Has Paglia written anything significant after Sexual Personae? She bashes Sontag, but Sontag evolved and continued to engage with new ideas to the end.)

    Coppola and Cimino too, but Scorsese has had a fine decline phase of solid movies.

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    The more I think of SILENCE, it is a masterpiece. I wish he'd done LAST TEMPTATION that way than Jesus at Altamont.

    The final scene in SILENCE with the hidden cross is like Rosebud in CITIZEN KANE. A deep personal secret.
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  163. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And if it's all so simple, pray tell, how can one distinguish between the right blacks from the wrong ones?

    The right blacks dress smartly, walk confidently and speak clearly, like Kwame Kilpatrick or O.J. Simpson. The wrong blacks dress poorly, move shiftily and speak in unintelligible gibberish, like Willie Horton or Ta-Nahesi Coates.

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  164. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Coppola and Cimino too, but Scorsese has had a fine decline phase of solid movies.

    The more I think of SILENCE, it is a masterpiece. I wish he’d done LAST TEMPTATION that way than Jesus at Altamont.

    The final scene in SILENCE with the hidden cross is like Rosebud in CITIZEN KANE. A deep personal secret.

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  165. AM says:
    @Opinionator
    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?

    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?

    What happens in a small community (less than 1000 say) if everyone is painfully aware of a terrible, aweful that was committed? And everyone also knew that the sheriff was far away and overworked. That justice would never come if the community did not act on it’s own. And that refusing to act might result in more violence.

    That’s why a police force reduces lynchings. If you know the wheels of justice will turn at some point, there is little reason to act on your own. While it’s hard to support vigilante justice even in those scenarios, it makes the men involved much less unknowable monsters.

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    Except that a fairly common lynching scenario was that the accused was already in police custody and the mob "breaks" (sometimes is let ) into the jail to lynch the offender on the spot. So in those cases, the lack of trust is not in the police force but rather in the rest of the justice system. There may be a feeling that a "fair trial" would result in less actual justice than the verdict of the mob who "knows" that the accused is guilty and doesn't want him to somehow get off for lack of evidence or slick lawyering or paying off the authorities or whatever. So to not have lynchings you have to have faith in the entire justice system from start to finish.

    Along those lines, how much faith does the average American have nowadays that some heinous criminal who is sentenced to death will actually have his sentence carried out, ever? Believe it or not, there once was an America, within living memory, where someone sentenced to death would actually be executed within a few months of the verdict. Now maybe a few of those were innocent, but now we have thousands on death row, the overwhelming majority of whom are as guilty as sin, and they sit and are fed at taxpayer expense for decades because our system of justice is so broken.
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  166. AM says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " And doing well in school is also consider a betrayal of blackness" . Amen.

    The ultimate goal of many young black American males is the state of "Bad".

    To be seen as "Bad" by one's peers and society is the most cherished accomplishment of a huge segment of black american male society, and this abberation is being reinforced and nurtured by the Bentley-driving millionaire "bad" black rappers.

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a "thug" expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a “thug” expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.

    What happened to the whites in the same period? I don’t think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen’s English.

    Right now, the lowest bar for the mass in terms of class appears to be not spending money on tattoos and actually putting on pants before heading to WalMart. It’s another win for equality.

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    I don’t think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen’s English.
     
    Aye, the lady doth protest too much.

    Speak for yourself.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    You are apparently unable to comprehend the point being made regarding the pants hanging under the butts and the thug-like facial expressions of the formerly well-dressed, and formerly well-mannered.

    Okay so just start counting the days until jan 21 2025, and remain calm, take your medication, and everything will be fine.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  167. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Rorty was the grandson of Walter Rauschenbusch, the famous 'social gospel' preacher. Rorty himself was an atheist, but the shape of his thought was formed by Grandpa's vision, i.e. the building of an earthly utopia that human nature was sufficiently good, or sufficiently perfectible, to achieve.

    Rorty appealed to continental analytic and later postmodernist critiques to tear down Christian/western 'metanarratives' and truth claims, but then believed, naively, that an American synthesis of pragmatism and democracy, based on leftist/Deweyian practices, could 'achieve' an idealized society. Rorty couldn't seem to live with the nihilism and despair of the continental deconstructionists/postmodernists, so he turned -- pragmatically, if you will -- to the deracinated scraps of the western tradition he could still believe in to use as the foundation for his sad little utopia.

    Rorty was very smart, and very influential in the 80s and 90s, not least because he wrote some of the clearest, most accessible prose you'll ever find among philosophers. His books are downright enjoyable to read, unlike so many of his intellectual progenitors and peers.

    Oh, – a Rorty-family affair – I’m sure, Albrecht Wellmer, who set Richard Rorty on the philosophical agenda in Konstanz, did know this religious and utopian Rorty background from Habermas – but both kept quiet about the subject. I for sure did not know it – so: Thanks!

    You might have solved my problem, why Rorty gave in to postmodernist relativism.

    Another reason might be, that students in the US are customers – and that’s a classical role-conflict. Because to keep the customer satisfied, you might be inclined to give in to his ideas – however unsound they might be. It might be more difficult, to resist student’s half-cooked mentality and idealism too, under such conditions. This – ehe!- material component of the American (higher) educationals system might as well be a real obstacle. It might (in part, ok) corrupt the higher education.

    All in all: The oedipal tension between the grown up and the young lad is in the way of a “relaxed” (= cool) student/ teacher relationship. And it should by no no means be depotentialised, because then, the grown up is inclined to give in to the students reamland of ishful thinking (=feeling) – and tends to sacrifice the reality-principle (=Freud/(Sailer)), which is of course – desillusioning by it’s very structure and therefor not really desirable at all.

    (When I at times did teach at the university – and did critizise postmodern positions, which I did, quite clearly, be it those of Derrida, or Foucault, or Lacan or Rorty or whoever… – I felt an enormous emotional resistance. Within my peer group, even. It at those times – late eighties – to lots of my peers – – seemed just not appropriate, to act in such a disturbing manner).

    Ahh- the whole experience was interesting. But after a while I found, I had more rewarding things to do than teach the unwilling – and that turned out to be true, actually).

    The late Habermas did give in to the importance of Religion a few years ago. His book-length discussion with Ratzinger, right before Ratzinger became elected Pope (=Benedikt), is respectful and full of insights too.

    As are (at least) two of Habermas’ later books: Between naturalism and Religion and Postmetaphysical Thinking II – Two essays from Postmetphysical Thinking II are interesting in our context especially:

    How to word the sacred (forword) and Religion in the Public Sphere of the Postsecular Society

    (Both titles are my translations and might therefor appear a bit different in the above cited english books).

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  168. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Rorty was the grandson of Walter Rauschenbusch, the famous 'social gospel' preacher. Rorty himself was an atheist, but the shape of his thought was formed by Grandpa's vision, i.e. the building of an earthly utopia that human nature was sufficiently good, or sufficiently perfectible, to achieve.

    Rorty appealed to continental analytic and later postmodernist critiques to tear down Christian/western 'metanarratives' and truth claims, but then believed, naively, that an American synthesis of pragmatism and democracy, based on leftist/Deweyian practices, could 'achieve' an idealized society. Rorty couldn't seem to live with the nihilism and despair of the continental deconstructionists/postmodernists, so he turned -- pragmatically, if you will -- to the deracinated scraps of the western tradition he could still believe in to use as the foundation for his sad little utopia.

    Rorty was very smart, and very influential in the 80s and 90s, not least because he wrote some of the clearest, most accessible prose you'll ever find among philosophers. His books are downright enjoyable to read, unlike so many of his intellectual progenitors and peers.

    Oh, – a Rorty-family affair – I’m sure, Albrecht Wellmer, who set Richard Rorty on the philosophical agenda in Konstanz, did know this religious and utopian Rorty background from Habermas – but both kept quiet about the subject. I for sure did not know it – so: Thanks!

    You might have solved my problem, why Rorty gave in to postmodernist relativism.

    Another reason might be, that students in the US are customers – and that’s a classical role-conflict. Because to keep the customer satisfied, you might be inclined to give in to his ideas – however unsound they might be. It might be more difficult, to resist student’s half-cooked mentality and idealism too, under such conditions. This – ehe!- material component of the American (higher) educationals system might as well be a real obstacle. It might (in part, ok) corrupt the higher education.

    All in all: The oedipal tension between the grown up and the young lad is in the way of a “relaxed” (= cool) student/ teacher relationship. And it should by no no means be depotentialised, because then, the grown up is inclined to give in to the students reamland of ishful thinking (=feeling) – and tends to sacrifice the reality-principle (=Freud/(Sailer)), which is of course – desillusioning by it’s very structure and therefor not really desirable at all.

    (When I at times did teach at the university – and did critizise postmodern positions, which I did, quite clearly, be it those of Derrida, or Foucault, or Lacan or Rorty or whoever… – I felt an enormous emotional resistance. Within my peer group, even. It at those times – late eighties – to lots of my peers – – seemed just not appropriate, to act in such a disturbing manner).

    Ahh- the whole experience was interesting. But after a while I found, I had more rewarding things to do than teach the unwilling – and that turned out to be true, actually).

    The late Habermas did give in to the importance of Religion a few years ago. His book-length discussion with Ratzinger, right before Ratzinger was elected Pope (=Benedikt), is respectful and full of insights too.

    As are (at least) two of Habermas’ later books: Between Naturalism and Religion and Postmetaphysical Thinking II – Two essays from Postmetphysical Thinking II are especially interesting in our context:

    How to word the sacred (forword) and Religion in the Public Sphere of the Postsecular Society

    (Both titles are my translations and might therefor appear a bit different in the above cited english books).

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  169. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Peripatetic commenter
    How about: They have been around for more than a century.

    John Moses Browning's M1911 was adopted by the Army in 1911 but was preceded by other designs going back to the late 1800s.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/M1911_pistol

    John Moses Browning’s M1911 was adopted by the Army in 1911 but was preceded by other designs going back to the late 1800s.

    Semiautomatic pistols are nothing new. My point is that they remained relatively uncommon, far outsold by revolvers, until companies such as Raven Arms and Lorcin began mass producing so-called “Saturday Night Specials” starting in the mid-1970′s and continuing for about 20 years.

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  170. @Daniel Chieh
    The Blck Many.

    Yep. The Blck Many vs the White Few.

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  171. prosa123 says: • Website
    @AB-

    Ammunition has been improved – hollow points and the like, but most hoodlums don’t even aim much less know what ammo to buy.
     
    After the FBI had 2 agents killed and 5 out of the remaining 6 seriously effed up by one gunman in '86, they went to the ammo makers and gave them a list of qualities they wanted the new ammo to have.

    First was penetration, at least 16" in ballistic gelatin, a kind of super Jello that makes a decent clone of tissue, then they wanted the bullet to hold together if shot thru various layers of clothing, drywall, car doors, glass, and wood doors. Also something that the hollowpoint will reliably expand and leave big wound cavities.

    In '90, Winchester came out with the .40S&W, this was a cut down 10mm cartridge that would fit into a 9mm framed gun. Had a lot more energy, and had the early style FBI bullets. That became the default LE cartridge for 25 years. Couple of years ago, FBI decided the 9mm, with the newest bullet designs was just as effective as the .40, so they're going back to the 9mm.

    Of course almost all the other LE are doing the same thing, dropping the .40 and getting new 9mm guns.

    I agree the marksmanship of the typical ghetto rat is pretty poor, but if you get close enough and surprise the victim, half a magazine will usually do the job. Usually anything that costs at least $1 a round will have the best bullets and be the most lethal. I'm partial to bonded Gold Dots or Golden Sabre...

    Here is a firearms expert’s detailed analysis of the 1986 Miami Shootout, there’s much more to the story than usually reported:

    Note: many “tacticool” types in the firearms community boast how they’d totally be able to shoot criminals in self-defense. Paul Harrell, who made this video, actually did so.

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  172. Jack D says:
    @AM

    Why would ability to call the police lead to a decline in lynchings?
     
    What happens in a small community (less than 1000 say) if everyone is painfully aware of a terrible, aweful that was committed? And everyone also knew that the sheriff was far away and overworked. That justice would never come if the community did not act on it's own. And that refusing to act might result in more violence.

    That's why a police force reduces lynchings. If you know the wheels of justice will turn at some point, there is little reason to act on your own. While it's hard to support vigilante justice even in those scenarios, it makes the men involved much less unknowable monsters.

    Except that a fairly common lynching scenario was that the accused was already in police custody and the mob “breaks” (sometimes is let ) into the jail to lynch the offender on the spot. So in those cases, the lack of trust is not in the police force but rather in the rest of the justice system. There may be a feeling that a “fair trial” would result in less actual justice than the verdict of the mob who “knows” that the accused is guilty and doesn’t want him to somehow get off for lack of evidence or slick lawyering or paying off the authorities or whatever. So to not have lynchings you have to have faith in the entire justice system from start to finish.

    Along those lines, how much faith does the average American have nowadays that some heinous criminal who is sentenced to death will actually have his sentence carried out, ever? Believe it or not, there once was an America, within living memory, where someone sentenced to death would actually be executed within a few months of the verdict. Now maybe a few of those were innocent, but now we have thousands on death row, the overwhelming majority of whom are as guilty as sin, and they sit and are fed at taxpayer expense for decades because our system of justice is so broken.

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    AM knows, as you yourself know, that our justice system does not carry out justice. Maybe it never did. But once upon a time it aspired to do so. And now, the dishonest distortions, the willful misdirection and the disgusting dissonance reverberating from that system has destroyed the trust that a populace ought to have been able to rely upon for fairness, and the equitable visiting of the earned punishment on the malefactors.

    Justice has been polluted, perverted and profaned by the "reality-based" authorities we are supposed to genuflect before. And for no other reason than that they just can, because they can get away with it.
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  173. @Not Raul
    I predict that Baltimore will end 2017 with fewer than 330 homicides.

    The summer (aka murder season) is over, as are most of the hot days.

    For 2017 through the end of August, Baltimore has had 235 homicides.

    2016 had 121 for Sept – Dec. 2015 also had 121 homicides for the last four months of the year.
    As a reference, 2014, pre-Freddy Gray, had 66 for the last four months of the year.

    235+121 ~= 350.

    In addition, since Freddy Gray died, the monthly homicide total has been higher than the average for the equivalent month from 2007-2014 in every month except one (so April 2016, as an example, saw 28 homicides, but the 2007-2014 average for April was 18.3). The rise in homicides has been *VERY* stable and Baltimore is seeing approximately 120 more homicides per year since April of 2015 than it saw for the average year between 2007 and 2014.

    To get only 330 Baltimore homicides for 2017, we’ll need a steep drop in the post-Freddy Gray homicide rate. We haven’t seen that drop yet.

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    Thanks for explaining your estimate. You make a strong case.

    I was expecting three things that would lead to a lower number:
    1. regression toward the mean
    2. less support for bad behavior
    3. a lot of the hot-heads have killed each other off by now
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  174. Logan says:
    @wrd9
    Regarding interracial crimes, there are many more whites murdered by blacks every year than blacks being murdered by whites. About 200 more. And very heinous murders they can be such as being burned alive.

    That’s now. Probably not during the period in question.

    Also, the tally is of lynchings, which are a rather smallish subset of murders.

    Here’s the Tuskegee definition:

    “There must be legal evidence that a person was killed. That person must have met death illegally. A group of three or more persons must have participated in the killing. The group must have acted under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

    It is probable there were many, many more murders of blacks by whites during this period than were classified as lynchings per this definition.

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  175. AM says:

    Except that a fairly common lynching scenario was that the accused was already in police custody and the mob “breaks” (sometimes is let ) into the jail to lynch the offender on the spot [...] So to not have lynchings you have to have faith in the entire justice system from start to finish.

    A very fair point and I appreciate the correction. :)

    You’ve expanded on the concept about the police in direction that makes sense. What’s clear about lynchings is that they are particular to rural areas and those who participate in such events are concerned about justice. (Although cities have been known to have mobs, too). I’m going down the rabbit hole of “How does a reasonable man join the KKK?”, but it’s a critical mind exercise.

    If the Northern judges during re-construction were prone to rule for blacks because “black” (maybe somethings really don’t change) then the resulting loss of faith in the justice system could have lasted generations. For sure, rural Southerners of all races had to live with the decisions of far away judges.

    Now maybe a few of those were innocent, but now we have thousands on death row, the overwhelming majority of whom are as guilty as sin, and they sit and are fed at taxpayer expense for decades because our system of justice is so broken.

    Agreed. I think that the lack of action falls into “Out of sight, out of mind”. Nobody shows up to protest an execution who has gone past due date. Most prisons would have to deal with massive protests (and legal issues) to deal with an actual execution.

    Personally, I agree with Catholic thinking on the matter (handy). If we are to sentence people to death for crime, it must serious and public to prevent other crime. Not a picnic event, but not a quiet “closet” event either. I want people to remember when they get frisky about plotting their own murders/violence. If saving their own neck is what stops them cold, then that’s a win.

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    Personally, I agree with Catholic thinking on the matter (handy). If we are to sentence people to death for crime, it must serious and public to prevent other crime.
     
    I have never been able to understand the Catholic affection for injustice and preference for the murderer over the victim.

    If this is mercy, it is mercy without regard for the victim.
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  176. @Lot

    What do you like about Rorty?
     
    I did not say I liked him, I have no opinion as I can't recall ever reading him.

    As for his philosophy, it seems from wikipedia to be garbage continental BS.

    I see in his old age he turned against the anti-american far left, so that is one thing in his favor.

    Something he wrote in 1998:

    Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers – themselves desperately afraid of being downsized – are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
     
    A left wing review:

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/richard-rortys-philosophical-argument-for-national-pride

    Thanks. The review appears to give Rorty too much credit. He posited a dynamic of “suburban” bad guys versus the ignored/deplorables. Not exactly an accurate depiction of the dynamics of the Revolution of ’16.

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  177. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South.

    If so would that not be because Blacks were responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime in the South post 1885. That was time of the beginning of urbanization in the south and Jim Crow style segregation was not yet under way. Whites then as now, post segregation, increasingly found them up against black criminality but without the dominance of the Jewish/Cultural Marxist media to sweep it all under the rug.

    As many have speculated it was precisely Jim Crow segregation that lessen the need/tolerance for the lynching of blacks between 1885 and 1925.

    See http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2017/07/segregation-our-most-cherished-myths.html

    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South.

    If so would that not be because Blacks were responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime in the South post 1885.

    Well the vast majority of blacks lived in the South, so duh, of course, whatever is going on among blacks is going to be concentrated in the South instead of Maine or Arizona.

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  178. Logan says:
    @lavoisier
    There was way too much barbarity going on. Entire communities would come out to watch a man being burned alive. If it happened once, it was still a travesty of justice and a reflection of human evil.

    Guilty or not, burning someone alive is a horror and those who participated in such a horror are savages.

    These horrors ultimately led to the Civil War and the horrors of that terrible war.

    All so a few people could get rich enslaving others.

    And we are still paying for the crimes of the few to this day.

    Evil begets evil.

    Not a lot of burning alive before the Civil War. Much too expensive a diversion for most people.

    After all, a slave cost more than the average annual family income at the time.

    One of the largest burning alive incidents was in NYC in 1712, but that was all done according to legal forms.

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  179. @Jack D
    Except that a fairly common lynching scenario was that the accused was already in police custody and the mob "breaks" (sometimes is let ) into the jail to lynch the offender on the spot. So in those cases, the lack of trust is not in the police force but rather in the rest of the justice system. There may be a feeling that a "fair trial" would result in less actual justice than the verdict of the mob who "knows" that the accused is guilty and doesn't want him to somehow get off for lack of evidence or slick lawyering or paying off the authorities or whatever. So to not have lynchings you have to have faith in the entire justice system from start to finish.

    Along those lines, how much faith does the average American have nowadays that some heinous criminal who is sentenced to death will actually have his sentence carried out, ever? Believe it or not, there once was an America, within living memory, where someone sentenced to death would actually be executed within a few months of the verdict. Now maybe a few of those were innocent, but now we have thousands on death row, the overwhelming majority of whom are as guilty as sin, and they sit and are fed at taxpayer expense for decades because our system of justice is so broken.

    AM knows, as you yourself know, that our justice system does not carry out justice. Maybe it never did. But once upon a time it aspired to do so. And now, the dishonest distortions, the willful misdirection and the disgusting dissonance reverberating from that system has destroyed the trust that a populace ought to have been able to rely upon for fairness, and the equitable visiting of the earned punishment on the malefactors.

    Justice has been polluted, perverted and profaned by the “reality-based” authorities we are supposed to genuflect before. And for no other reason than that they just can, because they can get away with it.

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  180. @AM

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a “thug” expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.
     
    What happened to the whites in the same period? I don't think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen's English.

    Right now, the lowest bar for the mass in terms of class appears to be not spending money on tattoos and actually putting on pants before heading to WalMart. It's another win for equality.

    I don’t think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen’s English.

    Aye, the lady doth protest too much.

    Speak for yourself.

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    Aye, the lady doth protest too much.

    Speak for yourself.
     
    Oh, do tell, do tell.
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  181. anon says: • Disclaimer

    …, should the Ferguson Effect be observed systematically throughout the United States or are claims of de-policing and challenges to the legitimacy of the police idiosyncratic to particular cities? The heterogeneity among large U.S. cities makes it likely that exogenous factors will be experienced differently.

    Was there a Ferguson Effect on crime rates in large U.S. cities? (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292982674_Was_there_a_Ferguson_Effect_on_crime_rates_in_large_US_cities [accessed Sep 6, 2017].

    The principle problem with this paper is that the author conflates the ‘Ferguson Effect’ with an overall rise in crime in the US. However, all of the discussions I have seen regarding the Ferguson Effect refer to its impact on poor, black urban neighborhoods. Has anyone seriously argued that suburban crime is up due to the Ferguson Effect?

    And the paper admits that:

    Accordingly, the data offer preliminary support for a Ferguson Effect on homicide rates in a few select cities in the United States. What is important about these cities is that they had much higher crime rates before Ferguson, which in turn may have primed them for increases in crime. Cities with post-Ferguson increases in crime tended to have a higher proportion of black residents, lower socioeconomic status, and more police per capita

    So … the data supports a Ferguson Effect exactly where it was expected.

    And, FWIW, Ferguson didn’t qualify for the study since its population is below 200,000.

    We chose to use 200,000 as the population cutoff for inclusion in the sample. While the 81 cities in our sample account for both a large portion of the U.S. population (17 percent) and violent crime (29 percent) in 2014, it omits smaller cities such as Ferguson.

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    The Ferguson Effect is often most visible where BLM had its biggest impact: St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.
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  182. @anon

    ..., should the Ferguson Effect be observed systematically throughout the United States or are claims of de-policing and challenges to the legitimacy of the police idiosyncratic to particular cities? The heterogeneity among large U.S. cities makes it likely that exogenous factors will be experienced differently.

    Was there a Ferguson Effect on crime rates in large U.S. cities? (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292982674_Was_there_a_Ferguson_Effect_on_crime_rates_in_large_US_cities [accessed Sep 6, 2017].
     

    The principle problem with this paper is that the author conflates the 'Ferguson Effect' with an overall rise in crime in the US. However, all of the discussions I have seen regarding the Ferguson Effect refer to its impact on poor, black urban neighborhoods. Has anyone seriously argued that suburban crime is up due to the Ferguson Effect?

    And the paper admits that:


    Accordingly, the data offer preliminary support for a Ferguson Effect on homicide rates in a few select cities in the United States. What is important about these cities is that they had much higher crime rates before Ferguson, which in turn may have primed them for increases in crime. Cities with post-Ferguson increases in crime tended to have a higher proportion of black residents, lower socioeconomic status, and more police per capita

     

    So ... the data supports a Ferguson Effect exactly where it was expected.

    And, FWIW, Ferguson didn't qualify for the study since its population is below 200,000.


    We chose to use 200,000 as the population cutoff for inclusion in the sample. While the 81 cities in our sample account for both a large portion of the U.S. population (17 percent) and violent crime (29 percent) in 2014, it omits smaller cities such as Ferguson.

     

    The Ferguson Effect is often most visible where BLM had its biggest impact: St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.

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  183. @AM

    In Europe, Africans were known for decades for their gentleman-like attitude: suits, ties, sophisticated english, now, thanks to the net and American Rappers, they are walking around with a “thug” expression on their faces and their pants below their butts.
     
    What happened to the whites in the same period? I don't think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen's English.

    Right now, the lowest bar for the mass in terms of class appears to be not spending money on tattoos and actually putting on pants before heading to WalMart. It's another win for equality.

    You are apparently unable to comprehend the point being made regarding the pants hanging under the butts and the thug-like facial expressions of the formerly well-dressed, and formerly well-mannered.

    Okay so just start counting the days until jan 21 2025, and remain calm, take your medication, and everything will be fine.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  184. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Lynching of blacks was concentrated in the Deep South. Lynching of whites was concentrated in frontier zones and sparsely settled zones out west. Would wager there was a different mix of vectors at work there. The black population in 1902 was not much different in relative dimensions than it is today. In our own time, perhaps 1/2 of that which might have been deemed ‘capital crimes’ are committed by blacks, not 70%.

    Vectors? That isn't even the right word, you pompous ass. And if by "capital crime" you mean murder, it is over half - typically in the range of 50-55% year-in, year-out. For rape and other serious crimes, it is likely more.

    You always strive for precision.............except when you don't. Nitwit.

    You're pedantry isn't needed, here or anywhere. Why don't you just go away. Crawl back into your library refence station, you puffed-up nothing.

    Can’t help ya with your emotional problems.

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  185. @Anonymous
    First off blacks were lynched in similar proportions to whites back then as today’s crime stats support. In short they got justice then and now.

    Interesting idea. Could you please show your work?

    Not my work but I believe you can find the work i read in several places try “those that can see” La griffe du lion, alfin,and jayman probably has some stuff.

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  186. @AM

    Except that a fairly common lynching scenario was that the accused was already in police custody and the mob “breaks” (sometimes is let ) into the jail to lynch the offender on the spot [...] So to not have lynchings you have to have faith in the entire justice system from start to finish.
     
    A very fair point and I appreciate the correction. :)

    You've expanded on the concept about the police in direction that makes sense. What's clear about lynchings is that they are particular to rural areas and those who participate in such events are concerned about justice. (Although cities have been known to have mobs, too). I'm going down the rabbit hole of "How does a reasonable man join the KKK?", but it's a critical mind exercise.

    If the Northern judges during re-construction were prone to rule for blacks because "black" (maybe somethings really don't change) then the resulting loss of faith in the justice system could have lasted generations. For sure, rural Southerners of all races had to live with the decisions of far away judges.

    Now maybe a few of those were innocent, but now we have thousands on death row, the overwhelming majority of whom are as guilty as sin, and they sit and are fed at taxpayer expense for decades because our system of justice is so broken.
     
    Agreed. I think that the lack of action falls into "Out of sight, out of mind". Nobody shows up to protest an execution who has gone past due date. Most prisons would have to deal with massive protests (and legal issues) to deal with an actual execution.

    Personally, I agree with Catholic thinking on the matter (handy). If we are to sentence people to death for crime, it must serious and public to prevent other crime. Not a picnic event, but not a quiet "closet" event either. I want people to remember when they get frisky about plotting their own murders/violence. If saving their own neck is what stops them cold, then that's a win.

    Personally, I agree with Catholic thinking on the matter (handy). If we are to sentence people to death for crime, it must serious and public to prevent other crime.

    I have never been able to understand the Catholic affection for injustice and preference for the murderer over the victim.

    If this is mercy, it is mercy without regard for the victim.

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  187. @Desiderius

    I don’t think anyone on this board has a morning suit and tuxedo and can drop an impressive number of Shakepeare quotes in the Queen’s English.
     
    Aye, the lady doth protest too much.

    Speak for yourself.

    Aye, the lady doth protest too much.

    Speak for yourself.

    Oh, do tell, do tell.

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  188. Not Raul says:
    @Mark Roulo
    For 2017 through the end of August, Baltimore has had 235 homicides.

    2016 had 121 for Sept - Dec. 2015 also had 121 homicides for the last four months of the year.
    As a reference, 2014, pre-Freddy Gray, had 66 for the last four months of the year.

    235+121 ~= 350.

    In addition, since Freddy Gray died, the monthly homicide total has been higher than the average for the equivalent month from 2007-2014 in every month except one (so April 2016, as an example, saw 28 homicides, but the 2007-2014 average for April was 18.3). The rise in homicides has been *VERY* stable and Baltimore is seeing approximately 120 more homicides per year since April of 2015 than it saw for the average year between 2007 and 2014.

    To get only 330 Baltimore homicides for 2017, we'll need a steep drop in the post-Freddy Gray homicide rate. We haven't seen that drop yet.

    Thanks for explaining your estimate. You make a strong case.

    I was expecting three things that would lead to a lower number:
    1. regression toward the mean
    2. less support for bad behavior
    3. a lot of the hot-heads have killed each other off by now

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