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NYT illustration for anti-Steve Harvey oped (notice: no blacks involved)

From the New York Times:

Hey, Steve Harvey, Who Says I Might Not Steal Your Girl?
By EDDIE HUANG JAN. 14, 2017

… On Jan. 6, Steve Harvey did a roundup of dating books on his talk show, displaying an image of the cover of “How to Date a White Woman”, and said the book could be only one page long: “ ‘Excuse me, do you like Asian men?’ ‘No.’ ‘Thank you.’ ” He then asked an imaginary black woman if she liked Asian men, and acted out her response: “I don’t even like Chinese food, boy. It don’t stay with you no time. I don’t eat what I can’t pronounce.”

As my therapist would say, I have a lot of “feeling” about his sentiments.

Before ever reading about the history of discrimination against Asian-Americans — from the “yellow peril” to the Chinese Exclusion Act to the Japanese-American internment camps to the model minority myth to Vincent Chin and Pvt. Danny Chen – every Asian-American man knows what the dominant culture has to say about us. We count good, we bow well, we are technologically proficient, we’re naturally subordinate, our male anatomy is the size of a thumb drive and we could never in a thousand millenniums be a threat to steal your girl. …

So many Asian-Americans I grew up with bought into the expectations the dominant culture placed on them and did everything they could to meet them. I recognized from a young age that I couldn’t and began to plan for life on the margins.

I realized that people on the margins aren’t afforded the privilege of being complicated, whole, human beings in America; we have to create that existence ourselves, and it is that experience that I feel fundamentally binds us. Over time, I began to find solidarity with my singularity and difference. Yet the one joke that still hurts, the sore spot that even my closest friends will press, the one stereotype that I still mistakenly believe at the most inopportune bedroom moments — and I know Joe and Steve do as well — is that women don’t want Asian men. Attractiveness is a very haphazard dish that can’t be boiled down to height or skin color, but Asian men are told that regardless of what the idyllic mirepoix is or isn’t, we just don’t have the ingredients. …

I told myself that it was all a lie, but the structural emasculation of Asian men in all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

That’s why this Steve Harvey episode is so upsetting.

Steve Harvey, a genial TV host whose sensible advice books for black women on how to snag a black man with a job are turned into hit feature films, is a huge figure in African American popular culture.

On left, artist’s impression of deplorable Steve Harvey based on NYT subscribers’ assumptions (on right, unknown black man)

But I suspect a lot of New York Times subscribers have no clue what race Steve Harvey is so they figure he’s another one of these evil white men they’re always reading about.

After all, is Huang allowed to even conceive that a black man is part of the dominant culture? Wouldn’t that mean that Asians are fringier than blacks and thus entitled to more intersectionality Pokemon Points? Are you sure you are ready for that battle?

Personally, I blame Trump.

Thank God there are cishet white males around to blame for everything or we might see the Coalition of the Fringes at each other’s throats.

 
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  1. whorefinder says: • Website

    Actually, I’m guessing Harvey is known to blue state SWPL crew.

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee’s Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four—he’s basically an old-school, 1960′s “edgy” black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting; you could imagine Sinatra or Martin or Sammy Davis having him open for them back then, except he’d be asked not to be so blue (Harvey does have a potty mouth at times).

    No surprise Harvey went on to become a successful game show host (the latest of the Family Feud hosts) and a decent talk-show host (titled Steve Harvey). His black sitcom (The Steve Harvey Show), which ran in the 1990s, was actually pretty decent light fare and could have been done by any non-black cast (Harvey’s hilarious wig/hairplugs, however, could not; he did a good thing shaving himself bald). And Harvey’s done some Cosby-esque shows along the lines of Kids Say the Darndest Things; I’m guessing Harvey modeled his act more on Cosby than Prior.

    All that is to say that SWPL’s would probably know Harvey’s name and face. The things I just mentioned are things SWPL’s are in the know about, at least tangentially.

    P.S. Love the writer mentioning his therapist; talk about SWPL-signalling! No wonder he’s so verklempt, the whiny baby.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Harvey was on Bill Maher's show before and had nothing to say about politics.
    , @guest
    Yes, one wonders if he realizes how violently that jumps out at normal people. Plus, there's the fact that the word he pulled his therapist in to introduce was so banal: "feelings." Why ever put quotation marks around that?

    Unless it's an inside joke. Publicly airing inside jokes you have with your therapist is signalling bigly.
    , @Way Past Cool

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee’s Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four—he’s basically an old-school, 1960′s “edgy” black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting
     
    You don't mean "never"; you mean "no longer."

    He certainly started out screaming about how much he hates the white man. There are tapes of him onstage 20 years ago, when he was just starting out in Dallas, ranting about how profoundly he hates Whitey. He urged audience members to spit on white people and beat up old white women.

    And Harvey doesn't deny that these tapes exist; he's simply suing the guy who has them for extortion.

    Steve Harvey has been busted in a shocking racist scandal that could destroy his carefully crafted nice guy image! RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that he’s been slammed with a bombshell lawsuit that claims he was caught on tape spewing hateful diatribes against white people.

    A two-month investigation uncovered a former employee of Harvey’s who claims he has recordings of the ‘Family Feud’ host going on insane rants.

    “I don’t give a s–t about America!” Harvey bellowed on one tape, the owner of the recording, Joseph Cooper, told Radar.

    On others, Cooper said Harvey urged fans to “spit on white people!” and “go assault old white women!”. But in a legal twist, Harvey filed a lawsuit against Cooper, accusing the Dallas man of using the recordings to “extort” him for a whopping $5 million.
     
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2016/11/steve-harvey-racist-tapes-extortion-lawsuit-family-feud-host-hate-claims-whites/
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  2. smb says:

    the structural emasculation of Asian men

    Wait a second, I thought we were suffering from too much “toxic masculinity?” Shouldn’t emasculation be a good thing?

    Also, “emasculation” sounds like the kind of gendered complaint that might make theys uncomfortable.

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    • Replies: @guest
    These things are always relative to both your position in the PC hierarchy and your stereotypical place in the mind of the general public. The latter is for inversion, of course. The former determines how much effort they'll bother putting into it.

    If the group in question is perceived by Joe Racist as feminine, you are allowed to perpetuate what otherwise would be toxic masculinity. You never, ever emasculate a female to male transsexual, for instance. Asian males have a reputation for relative femininity, so it wouldn't be nice to emasculate them further. That's like calling a retard stupid. Asian males aren't high on the PC list, however, and people suspect deep down they may be just another kind of white. So not much effort is put into their case.

    They are intelligent, and some of the ones who aren't doctors, engineers, or cellists are writers. Which is why we have to hear about this occasionally. The rest of PCdom doesn't care, except that all help in the fight against common sense is welcome.

    , @Lurker

    I thought we were suffering from too much “toxic masculinity?” Shouldn’t emasculation be a good thing?
     
    I think we all know that it is only white men who have a surfeit of toxic masculinity.
    , @Eagle Eye
    "Eddie" may be a gifted restaurateur and some time writer.

    It is less clear that he is personally affected by the dating preferences of WOMEN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Huang
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  3. all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

    Actually, this is a widely observable phenomenon with respect to White men. It is rare to encounter White women who do not abhor White men. It is surmountable on a targeted individual basis but even then the attitude lingers.

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    • Replies: @Bosch
    You know you're a nutcase, right?
    , @BB753
    Modern white women don't hate white men because they're white but rather because they're men. It's feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
    Also, it's not really hatred but something more akin to fear and suspicion. They're wary about men. So sad, as Trump would say!
    , @Jack D
    You're wrong about this. The vast majority of white women still marry white men. The ones who don't tend to weigh 300 lbs. and couldn't find a white man.
    , @SFG
    You know a guy named Whiskey?
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  4. Jimi says:

    In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    It isn't the liberal left that hyper-sexualises culture, it's the liberal right. Think libertarians like Hugh Heffner and Howard Stern. Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.
    , @Jefferson
    "In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine."

    The vast majority of Asian Americans worship Black culture (NBA, Hip Hop) so they can't complain about hyper-sexualized culture that makes Asian Americans look like Cucks when hyper-sexualized culture is part of Black culture, the very same Black culture that they idolize. Asian Ameticans can not have their shrimp fried rice and eat it too.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Nah, its statistically 10x WM/AF rather than AM/WF. But anyway, running around blaming people doesn't change anything.

    I've done okay in my life on the romantic front, I would say. You don't go for the people who clearly you're not a good fit for, save yourself and everyone else some grief. Most of the white women that I've been with were usually the more traditional types and were pretty much homebodies in some way or another.

    I couldn't deal with more dramatic types anyway myself.
    , @Ed
    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    White men are preferred by white, Asian & Hispanic women.

    I suppose black men are popular on the swinger, cuckold scene but I imagine white men hold their own here too.
    , @anon

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.
     
    It's not the Left imo. It's an anti-white thing driven by the media with Asians as collateral damage.
    , @Way Past Cool
    In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    You left out the most important factor in mate desirability in a more traditional age - race.

    Until a few decades ago, Asian men were, as much as possible, barred from entering the country.

    The few who were here "didn't have a leg up" with white women, despite their "loyalty, good family, education and civility", and no matter how much money they made.
    , @anon
    Actually, the values you mentioned as belonging to "another more traditional age" are still valid for (children producing) marriage relations. The new culture you have mentioned are for premarital, extra-marital, non-hetero and other non-traditional couplings. For example, here in the west coast, Asians do very well in mate selection; not unexpectedly, most of the Asians have Asian mates; However, Asian-white pairings are common enough not to be noticeable. What is definitely noticeable are the very rare Asian-black parings which are rarer than white-black pairings. Asian-white pairings are no more curious than Hispanic-white pairings.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they’re too picky. On Tuesday we’re learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women…

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That’s all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

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    • Replies: @FPD72
    This is exactly what our host wrote in a 1992 National Review article. This was the type of "noticing" that eventually led to Steve's exclusion from National Review's pages.
    , @Jasper Been
    Asian men most prefer Hispanic women? Did I read that right?
    , @John Derbyshire, @Flip
    Charles Murray, Phil Gramm, Jim Webb, George Will. Fred Reed's wife (not sure if they're married) is Mexican.
    , @Difference maker
    This jives with my experience; that because Asian women have this attention, many think that all men can be manipulated the same way
    , @Jack D
    Non-Asian men prefer Asian women because they think they are feminine. Asian men know the truth about Asian women because their mama is one - they are ball busters. Underneath the Hello Kitty gloves is an iron fist.
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  6. neutral says:

    If there were only blacks and asians in the world, then I don’t think it takes too much thinking who would rule. That being the case, again it does not take too much thinking who most women would prefer.

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  7. Ivy says:

    Must be the weather – hate climes.

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  8. The hatred of America is deep with this one. And, here, by ‘America’ I mean white people.

    I once knew a Chinese girl from Taiwan who said she didn’t want to date Chinese men. She said they were too feminine. She had a picture of a muscular male black ballet dancer in her cubicle. That’s what she wanted. I think she would have gone half way and settled with a white guy. She was in the U.S. for only a year. I wonder how Eddie Huang would explain her sexual preferences. Cultural imperialism? He could, following Priss/Anon, say it’s The Glob promoting black dong or something (God, I love that guy). This places the blame on America since we are its biggest promoter. But I doubt Eddie Huang would go that route.

    Anyway I’m sure many other Chinese women are happy as punch with Chinese guys. Hell, there are about — what — one trillion Chinese people with ‘feminine’ Chinese fathers on this planet as I type. Regardless of size, the Chinese dong obviously works fine!

    I don’t know how America should atone for the sin of being a white country for so long. Maybe we should provided white comfort women to ease the suffering of poor Asian boys like Eddie Huang.

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  9. Dumbo says:

    “the structural emasculation of Asian men in all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.”

    Sure…

    The media can sell some things, but it i easier to sell what is already being bought.

    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    And you see many White men with Asian women, but very few Asian men with White women.

    (But I saw a Black man with an Asian chick the other day, and an Asian man with a hot Latina, so make of that what you will).

    Rationally, it makes no sense (to me) for an attractive White woman to prefer a Black man over an Asian man, as probabilities indicate that the latter would be a better father and provider, but — this is not how women think, and they are the ones who choose.

    I think Satoshi Kanazawa wrote about that and was criticized from all sides, but he was mostly right.

    (Incidentally, maybe Satoshi is one of the few Asian men successful with White women? No idea if he’s married or anything, but I found these pictures funny: https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/Coauthors.htm)

    Anyway, tough luck for Asians. But if it’s a consolation, White men don’t have it much easier these days, or they would not go so much for Asian women.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    The media shows very few White men with Black women, or White men with other nonwhite women. It shows mostly non-White men with White women.
    , @Bosch
    As in most other things, Japs and Koreans have a leg up over their Chinese cousins. Japanese dudes especially have the advantage of coming from families that have often been in the US for multiple generations (no lingering fobby accent from hanging around with immigrants and linguistically limited second gen kids) and also being pretty masculine, generally: deep voices, square jaws, etc. I don't think it's sansei Jap dudes having the most problems on dating sites. But straight-up Japanese Americans are hard to come by given the group is so well assimilated that all the ones I know are hapa or Navy wives of military family members.
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  10. The endless contortions of NYT editors are somewhere between humorous and horrifying. 10,000 ways of claiming how objectionable and worthless Anglo-American Men are.

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.

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    • Replies: @El Dato

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.
     
    Slavs and Chinese? What?
    , @Desiderius
    The publisher's tribe is a distant second to the readers'.
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  11. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    It would be interesting to find out how ad agencies go about deciding on those commercial pitches, and how that interacts with (or even intersects with) company marketing departments. There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely. Evidence of that would help break more rice bowls.
    , @Anonymous
    Probably from the same people who keep making all these commercials where the criminals are universally white men.
    , @syonredux

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.
     
    In the real world, that's a very rare sight, indeed.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember this Super Bowl Coke commercial from 2014?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhP5sDUnF6c

    For comparison, here's what Coke commercials looked like in the 1980s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ia-ch8g8c0
    , @Jeremy Cooper

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.
     
    ha ha, I saw this combination on my Twitter feed for an article supposedly opposing political correctness

    https://twitter.com/JeannieSuk/status/818228912631271424

    There's also another ad about "love" that shows the same.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/03/04/watch_this_brilliant_ad_council_x_ray_skeleton_video_about_love_video.html

    Obviously, when they have a job making an ad or a stock picture, a lot of educated people say to themselves "I'm the kind of person who knows that race doesn't matter. What would be the ideal combination that I could put forth to prove that race doesn't matter? Oh, I know!"
    , @TelfoedJohn
    A bizarre thing I've seen in the U.K. is multi-racial family adverts. Where for instance the grandmother is black, the parents are white and Indian, and the kid is Chinese. All living in harmony, hanging out in the family kitchen. Genetically impossible, unless everyone is adopted.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Ad agencies are staffed by single white women and poofters. 'Nuff said.
    , @RadicalCenter
    You're still watching that crap? And giving the networks your money to do it?

    Sounds like you just identified yet another good reason to stop shopping at Wal mart, not to mention stop supporting African-worship (NFL).

    Time we stopped subsidizing the declared enemies of our nation, our people, our values, our way of life, and our very survival and safety. GET rid of the damn TVs already.
    , @Jack D
    Just saw a commercial for Pocono Mountain tourism on Phila TV. Poconos have these tacky motels with bathtubs in the shape of champagne glasses. They showed all the type of modern couples who would enjoy a visit - mixed race, 2 women, etc. Unrestrained capitalism is judgment free - it will take anyone's money and will sell you stuff that kills you if that's what you want.
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  12. Yep, sounds like The Fringes are starting to snipe at each other. Wonder if Harvey carries a Pepe the Frog puppet with him.

    As KANYE West might ask “Is that a frog in your pocket or…”.

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  13. fnn says:

    Der Spiegel speaking of “political correctness” as if it were some odd Yankee craze:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725-2.html

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  14. Peter Thiel considers bid for Governor of California:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/peter-thiel-california-governor-bid-233632

    It seems likely that the Democratic Party’s homophobia would come to the for if this happened.

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  15. Felix.. says:

    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That’s a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.

    It’s just biology, no “dominant culture” bullshit required. After all, according to hollywood movies blacks are the world’s foremost rocket scientists and hackers yet this does not translate into how things play out in the real world. Likewise, if Hollywood started to portray Asians more positively than it does now it would not stop Asian women fleeing from 5’7, 140lb Asian men to 6ft+, 180lb + men of other races. It’s just biology.

    Asian men drew the ‘short’ straw and it’s our right, nay, duty! as white guys to fill the…er…void.

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    "Asian men are the least masculine of the races "

    The Deer Hunter - One Last Shot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys33TyKu_jk
    , @Opinionator
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine.

    Some people think Asian women are the least feminine, pointing to breast size, hips, and, ahem, ass. I've heard it said in fact that a fetish for Asian women is a sign of or gateway to homosexuality.

    I say this without meaning personally to disparage Asian women. Many are quite lovely, physically and in personality.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "while Asian women are the most feminine"

    Ever heard a Chinese lady bawl out an employee?
    , @Sunbeam
    "Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That’s a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women."

    Look this is a thing apparently. I mean we have a phrase "yellow fever," whatever.

    But it's not universal. Personally I don't find Asian women THAT attractive. If you are talking about pure physical traits I much prefer white women.

    Not like I wouldn't marry an Asian woman, but it wouldn't be like I was out looking for one. If anything I'd be less likely to consider one on a dating site of some sort.

    I'm sure that someone from DailyKos perusing this site thinks the readers and posters here are all racists. Maybe. But personally I really don't care much about physical appearance. Not very keen on subsaharan black phenotypes, but I don't get a bad vibe from the physical appearance of Middle Easterners, Western Hemisphere Indian types, etc.

    Wouldn't bug me if I married one and had half white/asian kids or whatever. I am a lot more attuned to how a particular ethnicity behaves and lives than straight physical appearance.

    But some of them don't butter my biscuits. I've seen a lot of Iranian women (though no one would say they aren't white) that are incredibly hot to me. Dot Indians and East Asians not so much.

    Will say the Idea of knocking boots with a Polynesian lady I had to look up to and could maybe beat me wrestling... sounds interesting, really interesting. Particularly if she had a big rack and long black hair.

    Hmmm ought to be a song in that. Music's changed though. No more "Whole Lot of Rosie" coming out now.

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  16. SPMoore8 says:

    The navel-gazing (or maybe he’s gazing a little lower) of this article is just another example of how self-absorbed, and thus worthless, so much writing is nowadays.

    Asian men marry white women all the time. And there’s no problem.

    What this article really points to is a sort of basic hostility between Asians and Africans. And, from what I have seen, that really does exist.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    I know quite a few Asian man-white woman pairings (both east Asian and South Asian, e.g. Indian) , and I've never seen or felt any racial hostility. It's a bit surprising, but along the lines of seeing a woman with a man who's shorter than her---unusual, but not to make you gawk or be "shocked" in any way. And I'm a pretty racist dude.

    The old tropes about "evil" Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery. But it was largely against the woman's will, after she'd been drugged by some "magical" concoction.

    It's really only the black man with a non-black female that really rankles people the most. That trope is that blacks swoop in and cuckold the (non-black) men with willing local women, who then become trashy degenerates.

    And that latter stereotype is prevalent in every culture that has come into contact with West Africans.

    , @Langley
    " I don't dance with Popolos."

    " Pro polo! I don't even like horses "
    , @anonymous
    As an Asian man I've noticed that black men seem to have the most hostile reaction compared to other races about an Asian man and white woman. I've gotten a lot of negative reactions (e.g. unfriendly long stares) from black men when out with a white woman so I've thought about this issue (black women by the way just seemed amused).

    I think it has to do with lack of political correctness imposed on blacks and racial ego. Black men are not as hindered about speaking their minds when it comes to race including in unspoken, visible expressions. Black masculinity and racial power plays are tied to relationships with white women so I think it diminishes a source of their racial ego when they see an Asian man with a white woman.

    But outside of this personal experience and also broadly speaking of Asian - black race relations, I don't think there's much hostility as we do not come into contact with each other much and so no hostility outside of some urban neighborhoods has developed.

    The last time I can even remember an Asian - black spat in the media was in 2005 when an Asian DJ objected to a black DJ's poor taste joke about tsunami victims. The black DJ responded with a rant about Asians being presumptuous. Whatever widely prevalent hostility (and again I don't think there is much held by blacks against Asians) is probably tied to embarrassment from Asians following middle class values and doing well in America as that diminishes the value of black arguments about oppression by an unfair society.
    , @a Newsreader
    How much do you want to bet that the original draft of this article included the Asian-Black hostility angle, but the Times's editor had it removed?
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  17. According to OKCupid, Indian men ctually have a lower response rate (from women) than Asian men. Even from their own women, Indian men do poorly.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    So there’s at least one race who Asian guys are beating.

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    India is in Asia.
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I have noticed that most men from India (lots of Patels in my area) look like circus freaks, yet I see a lot of very pretty women from India. I can't figure it out.
    , @rec1man
    Indian men mostly get arranged marriages in the same caste - very few date - Most Indian families would not let their daughters date
    , @Anonymous
    Indian guys have huge dongs though, especially Gujaratis, so they're able to compensate for the lower online response rates. The off-line rates are probably much higher.
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  18. bomag says:

    I get a vibe that Asian men look around and see that Black men are over-rated, but a large part of achieving over-rated status was achieved by complaining about racism, exclusion, privilege, etc; so now it is time for others to get in on the game.

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  19. Calogero says:

    Most Asians in America today are not descended from the Chinese-American “coolies” of the late 1800s or the Japanese-Americans interned during WW2. Most came post-1965 and have zero connection to any repressions in the distant past. It would be like the son of an student from Africa constantly bringing up slavery in the U.S. as if he were himself the descendant of slaves. Oh wait…

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    It would be like the son of an student from Africa constantly bringing up slavery in the U.S. as if he were himself the descendant of slaves. Oh wait…
     
    or worse a student from Africa descended from one of the main slaving tribes.
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  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to OKCupid, Indian men ctually have a lower response rate (from women) than Asian men. Even from their own women, Indian men do poorly.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    So there's at least one race who Asian guys are beating.

    India is in Asia.

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    The society separated out Asians (East&Southeast) from Indian subcontinentals.

    This study also found the same thing.

    See Figure 1.

    http://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046
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  21. Steve Harvey’s pretty big with the Trump-voting white demo as well. I think he reminds them of Flip Wilson and Redd Foxx.

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    And Charlie Pride!
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  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to OKCupid, Indian men ctually have a lower response rate (from women) than Asian men. Even from their own women, Indian men do poorly.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    So there's at least one race who Asian guys are beating.

    I have noticed that most men from India (lots of Patels in my area) look like circus freaks, yet I see a lot of very pretty women from India. I can’t figure it out.

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    Their cousins the Pakistanis look even worse.

    They look a like a race of inbred orcs.

    https://twitter.com/DESIblitz/status/795377972060573696

    I feel like thousands of years of in-caste marriage have ruined the Indian/Paki gene pool. The Pakis are at a second disadvantage, as they marry their cousins. Which even further intensifies the inbred peasant look.
    , @Elsewhere
    Arranged marriages.
    , @E. Rekshun
    I see a lot of very pretty women from India.

    In my early 30s, I dated a very attractive Indian woman from Suriname. She had Indian and Dutch heritage; born and raised in Suriname; spoke Dutch and learned English as an adult; did not speak Hindi; raised Christian; and emigrated to the US at age 19. She was light-complected with green eyes and long dark hair. She cooked Indian food and was most comfortable around other Indians; and was familiar with Indian traditions, but mixed well w/ Americans and did not care for blacks. She had been to India one time. One older sister had a failed arranged marriage; another sister did not. By the time I met her, she had become Americanized and would not have accepted an arranged marriage.

    More than one family member and friend told me she was the most beautiful woman they had ever seen.

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  23. Ivy says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    It would be interesting to find out how ad agencies go about deciding on those commercial pitches, and how that interacts with (or even intersects with) company marketing departments. There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely. Evidence of that would help break more rice bowls.

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    There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely.
     
    I've thought the same thing for some time now. Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It's like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK's Dream really did come true.

    My theory is that there is some coordinating body of ad agency honchos (and honchas) who settle on these themes in the interest of trying to social engineer a harmonious multicultural society. The United Colors of Benetton was just the beginning of the ongoing campaign. Perhaps it is done in coordination with UNESCO or some EU technocratic dept.

    Hey, my wife got a plea for funds in the mail today from the UNHCR featuring a large poster of a photo of a "refugee boat" crammed with several hundred people viewed from above (like from a helicopter overhead) all smiling and waving at the camera. Get this: the boat is apparently speeding along, throwing up frothy waves in its wake, with no visible pilot(s), engine, or other means of propulsion. The headline is "The only thing stronger than fear is hope." The photo is credited to (c) The Italian Coastguard/Massimo Sestini.

    Image here: http://www.massimosestini.it/wru.html

    Call me hyper-suspicious, but what are the chances that the whole photo is crisply in focus, no one is moving their head creating a blur, all are smiling, no one is giving a finger to the helicopter, etc.? Moreover, at the website above, this is said to be a picture 20 miles off the Libyan coast, plenty of time for the Italian Coastguard to get the boat to turn around and propel itself right back to Libya. Nope! Hope is stronger than fear!

    I also find it curious that nowhere in any of the accompanying material in the mailer is there a spelling out that UNHCR is the acronym for United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. I suppose that there being a "High Commissioner" overseeing all this (and fundraising for it) might be just a little off-putting.

    Strange times we live in...
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely"

    Co-ordination or cultural commonalities?

    Top 4 global advertising agencies and CEOs

    WPP - Martin Sorrel
    Omnicom - John Wren
    Publicis - Maurice Levy
    Interpublic - Michael Roth

    , @Laugh Track
    I tried three times to post this last night, with no luck. Not sure what was up with Unz...

    Re post by Ivy:

    There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely.
     
    I've thought the same thing for some time now. Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It's like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK's Dream really did come true.

    My theory is that there is some coordinating body of ad agency honchos (and honchas) who settle on these themes in the interest of trying to social engineer a harmonious multicultural society. The United Colors of Benetton was just the beginning of the ongoing campaign. Perhaps it is done in coordination with UNESCO or some EU technocratic dept.

    Hey, my wife got a plea for funds in the mail today from the UNHCR featuring a large poster of a photo of a "refugee boat" crammed with several hundred people viewed from above (like from a helicopter overhead) all smiling and waving at the camera. Get this: the boat is apparently speeding along, throwing up frothy waves in its wake, with no visible pilot(s), engine, or other means of propulsion. The headline is "The only thing stronger than fear is hope." The photo is credited to (c) The Italian Coastguard/Massimo Sestini.

    Image here: http://www.massimosestini.it/wru.html

    Call me hyper-suspicious, but what are the chances that the whole photo is crisply in focus, no one is moving their head creating a blur, all are smiling, no one is giving a finger to the helicopter, etc.? Moreover, at the website above, this is said to be a picture 20 miles off the Libyan coast, plenty of time for the Italian Coastguard to get the boat to turn around and propel itself right back to Libya. Nope! Hope is stronger than fear!

    I also find it curious that nowhere in any of the accompanying material in the mailer is there a spelling out that UNHCR is the acronym for United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. I suppose that there being a "High Commissioner" overseeing all this (and fundraising for it) might be just a little off-putting.

    Strange times we live in...
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  24. Altai says:

    Went to check, top post on /r/AsianMaculinity.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/

    If you think the manosphere can get a little hyperbolic sometimes, these guys are even worse. They doth protest a little too much that East Asian men are seen as on average less intrinsically masculine or socially-dominant than others. The other idea is that people judge attractiveness on a simple racial basis. Most Asian men are less masculine or shorter? Oh look an attractive, socially dominant man, oh wait, he’s Asian, guess he’s unattractive after all. That isn’t how attraction works.

    This is the same fallacy as that which asserts I’m as afraid of the black guy in a suit and tie as the white guy dressed like a thug and a shifty demeanour.

    A lot of the posts have much in common with /r/short.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/short/

    This is, of course, a coincidence.

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    • Replies: @anon

    A lot of the posts have much in common with /r/short.
     
    yes, guaranteed one of the first things CRISPR is used for is height

    (or lactose tolerance to get it that way)

    i read somewhere the thing women most lie about online is their age and the thing men most lie about is their height - even before income

    makes sense imo
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  25. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Probably from the same people who keep making all these commercials where the criminals are universally white men.

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  26. whorefinder says: • Website
    @SPMoore8
    The navel-gazing (or maybe he's gazing a little lower) of this article is just another example of how self-absorbed, and thus worthless, so much writing is nowadays.

    Asian men marry white women all the time. And there's no problem.

    What this article really points to is a sort of basic hostility between Asians and Africans. And, from what I have seen, that really does exist.

    I know quite a few Asian man-white woman pairings (both east Asian and South Asian, e.g. Indian) , and I’ve never seen or felt any racial hostility. It’s a bit surprising, but along the lines of seeing a woman with a man who’s shorter than her—unusual, but not to make you gawk or be “shocked” in any way. And I’m a pretty racist dude.

    The old tropes about “evil” Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery. But it was largely against the woman’s will, after she’d been drugged by some “magical” concoction.

    It’s really only the black man with a non-black female that really rankles people the most. That trope is that blacks swoop in and cuckold the (non-black) men with willing local women, who then become trashy degenerates.

    And that latter stereotype is prevalent in every culture that has come into contact with West Africans.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies, but he was also pretty muscular, a natural ecto-mesomorph who lifted.
    , @anon

    The old tropes about “evil” Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery.
     
    It was probably true at one time. When you have immigration that is almost all male you either get girls trafficked from their home region to work as prostitutes or the most vulnerable local girls are forced into it - often using drugs - then it dies down after more female immigrants arrive and the gender balance shifts.

    Hence why forced prostitution is happening on an industrial scale in Europe now.
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  27. @Desiderius
    India is in Asia.

    The society separated out Asians (East&Southeast) from Indian subcontinentals.

    This study also found the same thing.

    See Figure 1.

    http://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046

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    But Desiderius is still correct. "Asian" is the wrong term to use when you mean something other than "Asian".
    , @Almost Missouri
    Funniest line in that study is Table 2, footnote a:

    "Jewish religion perfectly predicts black exclusion"
     
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  28. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    In the real world, that’s a very rare sight, indeed.

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    I saw one East Asian man - black woman couple during the 20th Century: at a 1999 Christmas party.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The Patriots playing that poorly is a rare sight indeed.
    , @AndrewR
    There's a trainer at my gym who is ethnic Korean (but was raised by Anglos) and is married to a comely mulatta.
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  29. Langley says:
    @SPMoore8
    The navel-gazing (or maybe he's gazing a little lower) of this article is just another example of how self-absorbed, and thus worthless, so much writing is nowadays.

    Asian men marry white women all the time. And there's no problem.

    What this article really points to is a sort of basic hostility between Asians and Africans. And, from what I have seen, that really does exist.

    ” I don’t dance with Popolos.”

    ” Pro polo! I don’t even like horses “

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    Gay Muslim Furry Romance
     
    Absolutely Haram.

    Oh wait, it's against Trump.

    Okay.

    Back in March of 2016, a group of Syrian refugees was temporarily placed in the same hotel as a furry conference, resulting in a heartwarming cultural exchange as the con attendees welcomed the residents to their new country. In October, a Tumblr post went viral in which a teen girl breathlessly described a group of awesome furry bowlers in her town. And on Reddit, a user confessed that when he went to a furry conference to make fun of attendees, he wound up having such a good time that he joined them.
     
    I blame Disney movies for this.
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  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    The society separated out Asians (East&Southeast) from Indian subcontinentals.

    This study also found the same thing.

    See Figure 1.

    http://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046

    But Desiderius is still correct. “Asian” is the wrong term to use when you mean something other than “Asian”.

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  32. Jefferson says:

    “After all, is Huang allowed to even conceive that a black man is part of the dominant culture? Wouldn’t that mean that Asians are fringier than blacks and thus entitled to more intersectionality Pokemon Points? Are you sure you are ready for that battle?”

    Asian Americans are even bigger Cucks than White people when it comes to how they respond to Blacks disrespecting them. Eddie Huang tries to act Black but he’s still a Cuck bitch. His love of Negro culture is mostly a one way street because the vast majority of Blacks don’t love his Chinese culture back.

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  33. syonredux says:

    After all, is Huang allowed to even conceive that a black man is part of the dominant culture? Wouldn’t that mean that Asians are fringier than blacks and thus entitled to more intersectionality Pokemon Points? Are you sure you are ready for that battle?

    I’ve actually participated in seminars where Asian-American Studies types have argued that Asian-Americans are higher on the intersectionality totem pole than Blacks. Their reasoning: Blacks have a higher pop-cultural profile.And, yes, things get a little heated when Blacks are in the audience….

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    Of course Blacks are above Asians in the race privilege hierarchy in America.

    Here in Hawaii the race hierarchy is (somewhat) based on seniority with Native Hawaiians at the top.

    Haoles are judged by when their ancestors showed up. Missionary decedents outrank malahinis.

    Chinese and Japaneses outrank Filipinos (who are not considered Asian here) and everyone hates the Micronesians.

    I am NOT missionary but my family has been here for many generations.

    I was surfing at Laniakea when an East Coast (I know...) friend of mine dropped in on a local Japanese surfer - Emmit Tananaka. He and his brother Dalton picked a fight with us and started telling us to get out of the water and never surf at Laniakea again.

    I pointed to my grandmothers house on the beach and told them I had been surfing here before they ever got to the North Shore. Knowing they had violated protocol - mistaking me for a malahini - they backed off and later became customers of mine.

    During the 2004 congressional race in Hawaii I was in a quandry. Both Neil Abercrombie (D) and Dalton Tananaka (R) had been good customers. As usual I decided not to vote.

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  34. rec1man says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    According to OKCupid, Indian men ctually have a lower response rate (from women) than Asian men. Even from their own women, Indian men do poorly.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    So there's at least one race who Asian guys are beating.

    Indian men mostly get arranged marriages in the same caste – very few date – Most Indian families would not let their daughters date

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    To an Indian family (and not without reason), in the modern world "dating" is a thinly disguised euphemism for "having sex" .
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  35. Whiskey says: • Website

    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, “Wal Mart is not for White people.” That’s what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the “studly Black genius” fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying “Oh my” to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that’s a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

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    "I saw the commercial too. It said to me, “Wal Mart is not for White people.”

    I realized Walmart is not for White people when they started selling pro-Black Lies Matter merchandise. I wish more blue collar Flyover Country Whites found out the truth that Walmart feels extreme hatred for them.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Plus in the Pepsi commercial, the studly black printer genius grabs the Pepsi from the white guy. Imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed.
    , @Way Past Cool
    Here's the Pepsi TV ad with the black guy fixing the printer:

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/04/stephen-gostkowski-imagines-glory-of-fixing-printers-in-new-pepsi-commercial/



    Here's the Walmart TV ad with the black mom/Asian dad:

    https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A8wq/walmart-the-weeknight-song-by-the-heavy
    , @Sean
    Eastwood got his leading man break because Charles Bronson turned Leone down Eastwood's stoic and relentless onscreen persona owed more to Charles Bronson I think. It's true it's a very Japanese style. Bronson, the master of it, was very very popular in Japan throughout his career.
    , @Jack D

    No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.
     
    That was as long as they were fighting other 5'1" dudes.
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  36. Langley says:
    @syonredux

    After all, is Huang allowed to even conceive that a black man is part of the dominant culture? Wouldn’t that mean that Asians are fringier than blacks and thus entitled to more intersectionality Pokemon Points? Are you sure you are ready for that battle?
     
    I've actually participated in seminars where Asian-American Studies types have argued that Asian-Americans are higher on the intersectionality totem pole than Blacks. Their reasoning: Blacks have a higher pop-cultural profile.And, yes, things get a little heated when Blacks are in the audience....

    Of course Blacks are above Asians in the race privilege hierarchy in America.

    Here in Hawaii the race hierarchy is (somewhat) based on seniority with Native Hawaiians at the top.

    Haoles are judged by when their ancestors showed up. Missionary decedents outrank malahinis.

    Chinese and Japaneses outrank Filipinos (who are not considered Asian here) and everyone hates the Micronesians.

    I am NOT missionary but my family has been here for many generations.

    I was surfing at Laniakea when an East Coast (I know…) friend of mine dropped in on a local Japanese surfer – Emmit Tananaka. He and his brother Dalton picked a fight with us and started telling us to get out of the water and never surf at Laniakea again.

    I pointed to my grandmothers house on the beach and told them I had been surfing here before they ever got to the North Shore. Knowing they had violated protocol – mistaking me for a malahini – they backed off and later became customers of mine.

    During the 2004 congressional race in Hawaii I was in a quandry. Both Neil Abercrombie (D) and Dalton Tananaka (R) had been good customers. As usual I decided not to vote.

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    What the hell do you sell?
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  37. Jefferson says:

    “Asians are fringier than blacks”

    Asians are fringier than Blacks. What percentage of Asian Americans in The U.S are the off spring of American born parents? Which country were their parents living in when America first put a man on the moon? For the vast majority of them not The U.S that’s for damn sure.

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  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    The society separated out Asians (East&Southeast) from Indian subcontinentals.

    This study also found the same thing.

    See Figure 1.

    http://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046

    Funniest line in that study is Table 2, footnote a:

    “Jewish religion perfectly predicts black exclusion”

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    I wouldn't say perfect. I know a few superliberal Ann Dunham type Jewish women who had black babies. The father never sticks around - surprise, surprise. They raise the kids as middle class Jewish kids and they do very well. Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again.
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  39. BenKenobi says:

    St Patrick’s Day 2014 myself and a couple friends ended up at some lesbian coven in East Van. A fascinating experience all around, but the highlight for me was an anecdote they told of their lesbian community center.

    Apparently the various cliques would put on presentations for the others, talent-show style (hilarious in itself). This particular group had performed some rap dance the week before. They were unanimously denounced for cultural appropriation. I fell over laughing at the last part.

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  40. Dahlia says:

    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

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    "Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    I doubt very much there are any Asians who are part of the Alt-Right. Asians voted for Crooked Cankles at an even higher percentage than Jews and Hispanics did.

    A whopping 87 percent of Asian Americans voted for Crooked Cankles.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/clinton-won-asian-american-vote-some-swing-states-turned-toward-n684716

    , @Mikey Darmody
    I have never gotten that impression wrt Asians in the Alt Right, tbh. But I do know that Elliot Rodger serves as an in-joke for that group. In no way does anyway on the Alt Right earnestly admire him. The fact that you mistook that casts doubt on your first observation.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    "And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger."

    Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them (regardless how the Hapas see themselves). If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.
    , @Robert Stark
    There is a new online subculture that is part of the left wing of the Alt Right that Carter's to white male Asian Female couples, and Happas called Asian Aryanisn.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hW7Eqsd9Z7c
    , @anon
    agreed - people who got bullied by black kids at school and want to vent
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Elliot Rodger is not anyone's hero that I know of, anyway.

    I like to think that there are more sane people among us than the insane, of course. I've been on the right for a long, long time myself and anything that increases our numbers on the Right Side of History and not on the Coalition of Loser Fringes is to our limited credit.

    Oh, and I voted Trump. I don't know if I call myself Alt-Right myself, but heaven knows that I couldn't breathe with any more "social justice." With every inch of my heart, I want Hildabeast and her ilk to just burn up and fade away.

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  41. @Ivy
    It would be interesting to find out how ad agencies go about deciding on those commercial pitches, and how that interacts with (or even intersects with) company marketing departments. There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely. Evidence of that would help break more rice bowls.

    There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely.

    I’ve thought the same thing for some time now. Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It’s like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK’s Dream really did come true.

    My theory is that there is some coordinating body of ad agency honchos (and honchas) who settle on these themes in the interest of trying to social engineer a harmonious multicultural society. The United Colors of Benetton was just the beginning of the ongoing campaign. Perhaps it is done in coordination with UNESCO or some EU technocratic dept.

    Hey, my wife got a plea for funds in the mail today from the UNHCR featuring a large poster of a photo of a “refugee boat” crammed with several hundred people viewed from above (like from a helicopter overhead) all smiling and waving at the camera. Get this: the boat is apparently speeding along, throwing up frothy waves in its wake, with no visible pilot(s), engine, or other means of propulsion. The headline is “The only thing stronger than fear is hope.” The photo is credited to (c) The Italian Coastguard/Massimo Sestini.

    Image here: http://www.massimosestini.it/wru.html

    Call me hyper-suspicious, but what are the chances that the whole photo is crisply in focus, no one is moving their head creating a blur, all are smiling, no one is giving a finger to the helicopter, etc.? Moreover, at the website above, this is said to be a picture 20 miles off the Libyan coast, plenty of time for the Italian Coastguard to get the boat to turn around and propel itself right back to Libya. Nope! Hope is stronger than fear!

    I also find it curious that nowhere in any of the accompanying material in the mailer is there a spelling out that UNHCR is the acronym for United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. I suppose that there being a “High Commissioner” overseeing all this (and fundraising for it) might be just a little off-putting.

    Strange times we live in…

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  42. @Desiderius
    Steve Harvey's pretty big with the Trump-voting white demo as well. I think he reminds them of Flip Wilson and Redd Foxx.

    And Charlie Pride!

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  43. On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism.

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    "On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism."

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men's affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Census_Bureau_statistics

    The vast majority of White men would not find Jessica Huang from Fresh Off The Boat to be more attractive than Jennifer Connelly.


    Outside of Mark Zuckerberg why don't a high percentage of White male billionaires have an Asian wife? Bill Gates doesn't have an Asian wife and neither does Michael Bloomberg, Donald J. Trump, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, The Koch Brothers, Mark Cuban, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickens, Steve Wynn, Elon Musk, the late S. Truett Cathy, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson, Paul McCartney, etc.
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  44. Jefferson says:

    Asian Americans perpetrate hate hoaxes just like their Muslim, Mexican, and Black comrades.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_582de0dae4b030997bbde331.

    Asian immigration into The U.S is all cons and no pros. We already have plenty of homegrown Tawana Brawleys who’s ancestors have been living in The U.S for hundreds of years. We do not need to keep importing new Tawana Brawleys from Asia.

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  45. @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Remember this Super Bowl Coke commercial from 2014?

    For comparison, here’s what Coke commercials looked like in the 1980s.

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    Sure, but this famous Coke ad from 1971 might have been the grand daddy of diversity celebration (though on a global scale):
    https://youtu.be/1VM2eLhvsSM
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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Asian men should see their low chances with white women as blessing. Race mixing leads to loss of identity, culture, and etc.

    They should worry about asian women going with other races.

    In globalized setting, Asian men are bound to lose out because Global Standards are different from national standards.

    In Asia, an Asian guy is not short, less masculine, etc. But by globalized standards, he is.
    So, if Asian men are smart, they should reject globalism and go with nationalism.

    Same with athletics and Europe. By white standards, white men are not slow. But by black standards, they are. So, European sports are becoming black-ized, and this just jungle-feverizes the women.

    So, each nation needs to be a Safe Space for Safe Race.

    Globalism is winner-takes-all. It’s smartest grab most most of the loot, fastest take all the medals, and studliest grab all the pu**ies.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Steve Harvey is a comedian, right? Comedy has victims, right? Comedy uses exaggeration and caricature, right? So, what did he do wrong? I mean Don Rickles has been getting away with that stuff forever. Comedy is impossible without some goofery that may ‘offend’.

    Also, if NYT, which is part of Jewish media, is upset of stereotype of unmanly Asian men, why did the media make George Takei the face of Asian malehood?

    But even if media only promoted Bruce Lees and Bolos, people will notice reality.

    Hollywood movies have few black street thugs, but even Libs know blacks are main street thugs.

    And even if movies are filled with ass-kicking killer babes, we know women cannot beat up men.

    Irony is comedian Harvey is closer to reality than the NYT and Media that pretend to be so serious.

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  49. Jefferson says:
    @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    “Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    I doubt very much there are any Asians who are part of the Alt-Right. Asians voted for Crooked Cankles at an even higher percentage than Jews and Hispanics did.

    A whopping 87 percent of Asian Americans voted for Crooked Cankles.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/clinton-won-asian-american-vote-some-swing-states-turned-toward-n684716

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  50. @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    ha ha, I saw this combination on my Twitter feed for an article supposedly opposing political correctness

    There’s also another ad about “love” that shows the same.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/03/04/watch_this_brilliant_ad_council_x_ray_skeleton_video_about_love_video.html

    Obviously, when they have a job making an ad or a stock picture, a lot of educated people say to themselves “I’m the kind of person who knows that race doesn’t matter. What would be the ideal combination that I could put forth to prove that race doesn’t matter? Oh, I know!”

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  51. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I have noticed that most men from India (lots of Patels in my area) look like circus freaks, yet I see a lot of very pretty women from India. I can't figure it out.

    Their cousins the Pakistanis look even worse.

    They look a like a race of inbred orcs.

    I feel like thousands of years of in-caste marriage have ruined the Indian/Paki gene pool. The Pakis are at a second disadvantage, as they marry their cousins. Which even further intensifies the inbred peasant look.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Gee, I wonder why Eddie Huang and so many other yellow boys imitate black rappers and ‘identify’ with black athletes…. like the two Seoul Brothers Jay and Alvin do… but black boys aren’t too keen on imitating the flower boys of Japan and Korea who use cosmetics and act like sissies.

    Gee, I wonder indeed.

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    "Gee, I wonder why Eddie Huang and so many other yellow boys imitate black rappers and ‘identify’ with black athletes…. like the two Seoul Brothers Jay and Alvin do… but black boys aren’t too keen on imitating the flower boys of Japan and Korea who use cosmetics and act like sissies.

    Gee, I wonder indeed."

    The reason Heterosexual Black guys don't want to culturally appropriate J-pop and K-pop culture is because they don't want to look like Trannies. Many Heterosexual Asian guys don't mind looking like Trannies.
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  53. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @whorefinder
    Actually, I'm guessing Harvey is known to blue state SWPL crew.

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee's Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four---he's basically an old-school, 1960's "edgy" black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting; you could imagine Sinatra or Martin or Sammy Davis having him open for them back then, except he'd be asked not to be so blue (Harvey does have a potty mouth at times).

    No surprise Harvey went on to become a successful game show host (the latest of the Family Feud hosts) and a decent talk-show host (titled Steve Harvey). His black sitcom (The Steve Harvey Show), which ran in the 1990s, was actually pretty decent light fare and could have been done by any non-black cast (Harvey's hilarious wig/hairplugs, however, could not; he did a good thing shaving himself bald). And Harvey's done some Cosby-esque shows along the lines of Kids Say the Darndest Things; I'm guessing Harvey modeled his act more on Cosby than Prior.

    All that is to say that SWPL's would probably know Harvey's name and face. The things I just mentioned are things SWPL's are in the know about, at least tangentially.

    P.S. Love the writer mentioning his therapist; talk about SWPL-signalling! No wonder he's so verklempt, the whiny baby.

    Harvey was on Bill Maher’s show before and had nothing to say about politics.

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  54. @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    It isn’t the liberal left that hyper-sexualises culture, it’s the liberal right. Think libertarians like Hugh Heffner and Howard Stern. Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.

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    Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.
     
    Stern and Hef don't help much, but the progressive Left is very much at the forefront of pornificating everything in the culture. Just look at the art they promulgate: vagina monologues?
    , @biz
    The type of progressives who support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualized advertizing are only interested in restricting depictions of attractve females. For the most part they do not oppose the constant bombardment of shirtless model men that we are talking about here, and in fact view it as positive turn-about.

    It is because "unrealistic" female bodies (aka women who would have been the average dress size in 1960) are definitely damaging to women's and girls' self-esteem, but there is no such thing as male self-esteem. Or something.
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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The NYT illustration is outrageous. Could they make the lineup of Asian guys any more wimpy and feminine? They all look saturated in estrogen. They look prepubescent even with facial hair.

    The artist is very deliberate. The redhead white woman (the supposed unattainable goddess) is wearing a business suit(?) and appears to have as much testosterone as the Asian lineup.

    The manner in which she is drawn marks her as white no matter the hair color or the mostly rear angle of view. Her facial features are not really even revealed but race identifiers leave no question.

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  56. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember this Super Bowl Coke commercial from 2014?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhP5sDUnF6c

    For comparison, here's what Coke commercials looked like in the 1980s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ia-ch8g8c0

    Sure, but this famous Coke ad from 1971 might have been the grand daddy of diversity celebration (though on a global scale):

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    Don Draper, you magnificent bastard.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    That's true, but (as you pointed out) they were celebrating diversity on a global scale. It's more remarkable to celebrate that IN AMERICA. The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us.

    I saw the 1971 ad's message as suggesting that we should all get along and build a harmonious global community. The 2014 ad's message is that America is now the United Nations and we should celebrate that.

    The 1971 ad is an embodiment of the old left, while the 2014 ad is an embodiment of the modern day left and cuckservative right.

    Back in the 70s, the left saw non-white peoples as heroic for shaking off Western colonialists and embracing socialism/communism. The left also admired (what they perceived as) third-world down-to-earth simplicity and wanted to move away from rapacious Western capitalism. At the time, lots of leftists saw American militarism (especially in Vietnam and southeast Asia) as especially harmful. This ad is the type of thing a 60s/70s hippie might embrace.

    Today's left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). "Selling out to the man" is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date.
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  57. newrouter says:
    @Felix..
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That's a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.

    It's just biology, no "dominant culture" bullshit required. After all, according to hollywood movies blacks are the world's foremost rocket scientists and hackers yet this does not translate into how things play out in the real world. Likewise, if Hollywood started to portray Asians more positively than it does now it would not stop Asian women fleeing from 5'7, 140lb Asian men to 6ft+, 180lb + men of other races. It's just biology.

    Asian men drew the 'short' straw and it's our right, nay, duty! as white guys to fill the...er...void.

    “Asian men are the least masculine of the races ”

    The Deer Hunter – One Last Shot

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    If I want to learn what happened in the past, I always watch a Hollywood movie - it's the best way to learn the God's honest truth about what really happened.
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  58. Jefferson says:
    @Flinders Petrie
    On the flip side, I'm sure there's a way to blame white men's affinity for Asian women...on white racism.

    “On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism.”

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men’s affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Census_Bureau_statistics

    The vast majority of White men would not find Jessica Huang from Fresh Off The Boat to be more attractive than Jennifer Connelly.

    Outside of Mark Zuckerberg why don’t a high percentage of White male billionaires have an Asian wife? Bill Gates doesn’t have an Asian wife and neither does Michael Bloomberg, Donald J. Trump, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, The Koch Brothers, Mark Cuban, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickens, Steve Wynn, Elon Musk, the late S. Truett Cathy, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson, Paul McCartney, etc.

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    There's a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
    , @Mikey Darmody
    Zuckerberg, at 32, is much younger than the group of billionaires you listed, so maybe there is a generational difference at play.
    Bill Gates=61, Bloomberg=74, Trump=70, Lucas=72, Spielberg=70, Kochs=81 and 76, Cuban=58, Jobs=61 (had he lived), Buffett=86, Pickens=88, Wynn=74, Musk=45 (but he is the next Elizabeth Holmes), Cathy=96 (had he lived), Branson=66, Bezos=56, Adelson=83, McCartney=74.
    The only old billionaire who dug Asian girls that I can think of is Rupert Murdoch, formerly married to Wendi Deng.
    , @keuril

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men’s affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news
     
    OTOH, the same Wikipedia table shows that this 1 percent of married white men equates to an unmeasly 15.2% of married Asian women. And considering that a significant number of Asian women got married to an Asian male in their country of origin before immigrating to the US, the effective share of married-to-white Asian women among Asian women who got married in the US must be quite a bit higher. Like maybe double.

    If a quarter to a third of eligible Asian young women are exogamous, you can start to understand why Asian males would be frustrated. And this starts to look like serious interest in Asian females among white males. I will also hazard a wild guess that Asian females account for more than 1% of the porn looked at by white males (judging by Asian females' prominence in porn categories). A revealed preference outside the control of MSM.

    Re: why don't a high percentage of billionaires other than Zuck marry Asians, why are you looking at billionaires? This is a pretty small group and is perhaps not very representative of the man on the street. And Asian women have a 1/18 marriage share of the men you listed, so considerably higher than for the US as a whole. Go ahead, track down every billionaire who's married, and see if their wife is Asian, and check if the percentage is any lower than in that Wikipedia table. And if you think that's silly, then again: why are you using billionaires to make your point?
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  59. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @whorefinder
    I know quite a few Asian man-white woman pairings (both east Asian and South Asian, e.g. Indian) , and I've never seen or felt any racial hostility. It's a bit surprising, but along the lines of seeing a woman with a man who's shorter than her---unusual, but not to make you gawk or be "shocked" in any way. And I'm a pretty racist dude.

    The old tropes about "evil" Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery. But it was largely against the woman's will, after she'd been drugged by some "magical" concoction.

    It's really only the black man with a non-black female that really rankles people the most. That trope is that blacks swoop in and cuckold the (non-black) men with willing local women, who then become trashy degenerates.

    And that latter stereotype is prevalent in every culture that has come into contact with West Africans.

    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies, but he was also pretty muscular, a natural ecto-mesomorph who lifted.

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    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, "outgoing" when it comes to sexuality---I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of "Asian" porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.
    , @E. Rekshun
    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies

    I've lived near a few US military bases over the years and there always seems to be a noticeable number of attractive Filipinas married to White military guys. They must meet the Filipinas when the guys pass through one of the US bases in the Philippines.
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  60. FPD72 says:
    @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

    This is exactly what our host wrote in a 1992 National Review article. This was the type of “noticing” that eventually led to Steve’s exclusion from National Review’s pages.

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  61. Jefferson says:
    @Whiskey
    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, "Wal Mart is not for White people." That's what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the "studly Black genius" fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying "Oh my" to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that's a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

    “I saw the commercial too. It said to me, “Wal Mart is not for White people.”

    I realized Walmart is not for White people when they started selling pro-Black Lies Matter merchandise. I wish more blue collar Flyover Country Whites found out the truth that Walmart feels extreme hatred for them.

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  62. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/13/paris-terror-attacker-not-ashamed/

    Paris Terror Attacker ‘Not Ashamed’, Gets Fan Mail in Prison, ‘Women Express Love, Desire to Carry His Child’

    Anyone know if Dylann Roof gets fan mail from adoring females?

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    "Anyone know if Dylann Roof gets fan mail from adoring females?"

    I could see Pistachio Girl Emily Youcis sending Dylann Roof love letters, lol.
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  63. Jefferson says:
    @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    “In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.”

    The vast majority of Asian Americans worship Black culture (NBA, Hip Hop) so they can’t complain about hyper-sexualized culture that makes Asian Americans look like Cucks when hyper-sexualized culture is part of Black culture, the very same Black culture that they idolize. Asian Ameticans can not have their shrimp fried rice and eat it too.

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    There's actually a huge niche for feminine pretty boy types that act sensitive. Just look at how popular Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik are. Back in the 80s, Prince, MJ, and George Michael did very EXTREMELY well for themselves in that niche. Also, Backstreet Boys and N'Sync.

    The brutish masculinity of rappers might give them alpha male dominance, but it's not appealing to a lot of women who want a sweet, sensitive type. Some women like it, but a lot don't. Especially younger women, who often find masculinity a bit scary.

    Asian guys can do well if they stick to the feminine niche. They're never going to outdo the alpha male dominance of black basketball players and rappers.

    The most screwed race are the Indians/Pakis. They're feminine by personality, but have non-feminine looks and skin color. They're also weak and unathletic, with a skinny-fat body types. So they really can't dominate any niche. They can't be pretty boys, but they can't be macho, high-T males. Asians are better off than them.


    The Pakis are a particular problem. They're highly aggressive, but still unattractive. So lots of them end up becoming rapist or clients of child prostitution rings (ie Rotherham). The Indians are unattractive, but more meek. So less of an issue with rape.

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  64. Isn’t life wonderful when you can just blame someone else for everything? Sigh.

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  65. SPMoore8 says:
    @Jefferson
    "On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism."

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men's affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Census_Bureau_statistics

    The vast majority of White men would not find Jessica Huang from Fresh Off The Boat to be more attractive than Jennifer Connelly.


    Outside of Mark Zuckerberg why don't a high percentage of White male billionaires have an Asian wife? Bill Gates doesn't have an Asian wife and neither does Michael Bloomberg, Donald J. Trump, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, The Koch Brothers, Mark Cuban, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickens, Steve Wynn, Elon Musk, the late S. Truett Cathy, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson, Paul McCartney, etc.

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.

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    "There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her."

    Not really. I have never heard of a White guy say he is physically attracted to Asian women but he doesn't want to breed with them because he wants to have White looking children.

    White guys who are not open to breeding with Asian women are White guys who were never physically attracted to Asian women to begin with.

    Most White guys do not even put Asian women above South American women in the looks department, let alone above European women.

    On Roosh V for example Argentinian, Colombian, and Brazilian women are way more liked than Asian women and Roosh V is a White maletopia discussion board.

    , @Anonymous

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
     
    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you're finished. I'm a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I've found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it's the exact opposite with Asian women.

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  66. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    Gee, I wonder why Eddie Huang and so many other yellow boys imitate black rappers and 'identify' with black athletes.... like the two Seoul Brothers Jay and Alvin do... but black boys aren't too keen on imitating the flower boys of Japan and Korea who use cosmetics and act like sissies.

    Gee, I wonder indeed.

    “Gee, I wonder why Eddie Huang and so many other yellow boys imitate black rappers and ‘identify’ with black athletes…. like the two Seoul Brothers Jay and Alvin do… but black boys aren’t too keen on imitating the flower boys of Japan and Korea who use cosmetics and act like sissies.

    Gee, I wonder indeed.”

    The reason Heterosexual Black guys don’t want to culturally appropriate J-pop and K-pop culture is because they don’t want to look like Trannies. Many Heterosexual Asian guys don’t mind looking like Trannies.

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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    There’s something odd about the issue of “why don’t white women go with asian men?”

    After all, the natural thing would be Asian men to go with Asian women.

    So, if Asian men need to find non-Asian women, it must be because Asian women prefer non-Asian men, which causes the sexual drought among Asian men.
    If Asian men went with Asian women, the issue of white women would be moot. So, the real source of this issue is too many Asian women going with non-Asian men.
    But looks like Eddie doesn’t wanna step on that third rail.

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    "There’s something odd about the issue of “why don’t white women go with asian men?”

    If you were a White woman who is open to interracial dating, would you rather date a guy who looks like Idris Elba or a guy who looks like Eddie Huang? 9 out of 10 White female racemixers are going to pick Idris Elba over Eddie Huang.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there's not a huge difference.
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  68. Jefferson says:
    @SPMoore8
    There's a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.

    “There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.”

    Not really. I have never heard of a White guy say he is physically attracted to Asian women but he doesn’t want to breed with them because he wants to have White looking children.

    White guys who are not open to breeding with Asian women are White guys who were never physically attracted to Asian women to begin with.

    Most White guys do not even put Asian women above South American women in the looks department, let alone above European women.

    On Roosh V for example Argentinian, Colombian, and Brazilian women are way more liked than Asian women and Roosh V is a White maletopia discussion board.

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    Of course there's a big difference. Any man who has children with a woman, just because he finds her sexually attractive, is a fool. 90% of the time when men evaluate women -- in social situations, or on blogs -- they do it strictly based on her physical appearance, nothing else enters the picture.

    But if a man is in any serious about his progeny he would avoid women who were fat, or short, or small, or unintelligent. Nevertheless many beautiful women fit the last three categories. (Of course there is such a thing as personality, or life experiences, or love, or good personal qualities: but we aren't discussing those here.)

    I had plenty of experience with Asian women back in the day. Many of them are undeniably attractive, and many of them are not particularly attractive. I have known Asian women who were tall, slender, and graceful, but also Asian women who were short, stocky, and clumsy. Some who were intelligent, and some who were stupid. Some who were giving and loving, and some who were manipulative and and ambitious. Who wants their children raised by a Tiger Mom, of any race?

    I wouldn't make a fetish of any particular race of women because there are more things on the table than simple physical attraction.

    BTW, I don't find either Jessica Huang or Jennifer Connelly attractive. But I'm suicidal enough to go after Miley Cyrus. Glad I'm too old for kids.

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  69. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I thought Elliot Rodger murdered his two Asian roommates before going out on his rampage. And angry Asian guys still made him into a cult hero?

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  70. guest says:
    @whorefinder
    Actually, I'm guessing Harvey is known to blue state SWPL crew.

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee's Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four---he's basically an old-school, 1960's "edgy" black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting; you could imagine Sinatra or Martin or Sammy Davis having him open for them back then, except he'd be asked not to be so blue (Harvey does have a potty mouth at times).

    No surprise Harvey went on to become a successful game show host (the latest of the Family Feud hosts) and a decent talk-show host (titled Steve Harvey). His black sitcom (The Steve Harvey Show), which ran in the 1990s, was actually pretty decent light fare and could have been done by any non-black cast (Harvey's hilarious wig/hairplugs, however, could not; he did a good thing shaving himself bald). And Harvey's done some Cosby-esque shows along the lines of Kids Say the Darndest Things; I'm guessing Harvey modeled his act more on Cosby than Prior.

    All that is to say that SWPL's would probably know Harvey's name and face. The things I just mentioned are things SWPL's are in the know about, at least tangentially.

    P.S. Love the writer mentioning his therapist; talk about SWPL-signalling! No wonder he's so verklempt, the whiny baby.

    Yes, one wonders if he realizes how violently that jumps out at normal people. Plus, there’s the fact that the word he pulled his therapist in to introduce was so banal: “feelings.” Why ever put quotation marks around that?

    Unless it’s an inside joke. Publicly airing inside jokes you have with your therapist is signalling bigly.

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  71. @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    Nah, its statistically 10x WM/AF rather than AM/WF. But anyway, running around blaming people doesn’t change anything.

    I’ve done okay in my life on the romantic front, I would say. You don’t go for the people who clearly you’re not a good fit for, save yourself and everyone else some grief. Most of the white women that I’ve been with were usually the more traditional types and were pretty much homebodies in some way or another.

    I couldn’t deal with more dramatic types anyway myself.

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  72. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    There's something odd about the issue of "why don't white women go with asian men?"

    After all, the natural thing would be Asian men to go with Asian women.

    So, if Asian men need to find non-Asian women, it must be because Asian women prefer non-Asian men, which causes the sexual drought among Asian men.
    If Asian men went with Asian women, the issue of white women would be moot. So, the real source of this issue is too many Asian women going with non-Asian men.
    But looks like Eddie doesn't wanna step on that third rail.

    “There’s something odd about the issue of “why don’t white women go with asian men?”

    If you were a White woman who is open to interracial dating, would you rather date a guy who looks like Idris Elba or a guy who looks like Eddie Huang? 9 out of 10 White female racemixers are going to pick Idris Elba over Eddie Huang.

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    • Replies: @Rdm
    Of course, you're picking up like a billionaire Michael Jordan and some Asian guy from the street.

    Here's the real comparison.

    Black men and White women

    1. Michael Jordan married a Cuban women.

    2. Tiger Woods married a Swedish women who was a nanny.

    3. Some Black bloke who live on welfare snag some obese white women, whose intention is already clear in the first place.

    White men and Asian women

    1. A white guy who works at Burger King has an Asian girlfriend who is a college graduate, that's very common.

    2. Derby who occasionally spew out his armchair opinion on races, went to China, teaches English, and married some unknown Asian woman. That's very common phenomenon.

    Asian men and White women

    1. Nobel Laureate Steven Chu (ex-Secretary of Energy) marries his counterpart White women trained in physicist.

    2. Nobel Laureate Roger Tsien (diseased) marries his counterpart white women.

    3. Asian men and White women (both PhD graduates) marriages are common in high institutions like Ivy, Stanford etc etc.


    So you go figure, which interracial pairs will produce the best and the brightest in the future.

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  73. @Anon
    There's something odd about the issue of "why don't white women go with asian men?"

    After all, the natural thing would be Asian men to go with Asian women.

    So, if Asian men need to find non-Asian women, it must be because Asian women prefer non-Asian men, which causes the sexual drought among Asian men.
    If Asian men went with Asian women, the issue of white women would be moot. So, the real source of this issue is too many Asian women going with non-Asian men.
    But looks like Eddie doesn't wanna step on that third rail.

    Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there’s not a huge difference.

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    "Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there’s not a huge difference."

    There is no sexual drought for Asian men as long as they stay within their race. Now if they prefer women who look like Abby Huntsman over their own Asian women than there is going to be major sexual drought for them.

    , @Felix..

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there’s not a huge difference.
     
    That's because white men are banging Asian girls while the leftover Asian guys are stuck with black women, as per the Walmart commercial. Quantitatively, the white guys have to bang many more Asian women to achieve the same STI rate as the small fraction of leftover Asian men who are able to land black woman, because Asian women have a much lower STI rate than black women.

    It's Science!

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  74. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    According to OKCupid, Indian men ctually have a lower response rate (from women) than Asian men. Even from their own women, Indian men do poorly.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

    So there's at least one race who Asian guys are beating.

    Indian guys have huge dongs though, especially Gujaratis, so they’re able to compensate for the lower online response rates. The off-line rates are probably much higher.

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    Not true.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm




    Condoms 'too big' for Indian men
    By Damian Grammaticus
    BBC News, Delhi

    There is a "lack of awareness" over condom sizes
    A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
    The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.
    It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.
    The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.
    Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.
    The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.

    The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.
     
    , @Opinionator
    A larger dong leads to greater problems with impotency.
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  75. guest says:
    @smb

    the structural emasculation of Asian men
     
    Wait a second, I thought we were suffering from too much "toxic masculinity?" Shouldn't emasculation be a good thing?

    Also, "emasculation" sounds like the kind of gendered complaint that might make theys uncomfortable.

    These things are always relative to both your position in the PC hierarchy and your stereotypical place in the mind of the general public. The latter is for inversion, of course. The former determines how much effort they’ll bother putting into it.

    If the group in question is perceived by Joe Racist as feminine, you are allowed to perpetuate what otherwise would be toxic masculinity. You never, ever emasculate a female to male transsexual, for instance. Asian males have a reputation for relative femininity, so it wouldn’t be nice to emasculate them further. That’s like calling a retard stupid. Asian males aren’t high on the PC list, however, and people suspect deep down they may be just another kind of white. So not much effort is put into their case.

    They are intelligent, and some of the ones who aren’t doctors, engineers, or cellists are writers. Which is why we have to hear about this occasionally. The rest of PCdom doesn’t care, except that all help in the fight against common sense is welcome.

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  76. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @SPMoore8
    There's a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.

    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you’re finished. I’m a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I’ve found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it’s the exact opposite with Asian women.

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    I don't understand that mindset. I was going to say unless it's yours, but even then it doesn't make sense. Most people are most attracted to their own kind, but not exclusively.

    Finding one race attractive exclusively is perverse, and there's a pattern to sexual perversion. You'd think an Asian fetish as strong as yours would, like most fetishes, tie into early sexual experiences. But to start at 25? What? That's sounds like the "once you go black" joke.

    I call pretension. "I don't eat processed foods," or "I only listen to jazz music."

    , @BB753
    Don't you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..
    , @The most deplorable one
    You do have to consider the cultural differences, even if she is an ABA, if you are going to live with that woman for 50 years.

    Asian women are just different ...
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    I had a similar experience to you, at exactly the same age.

    It was as though someone had flicked a switch. All of a sudden, those geeky, flat-chested, black-haired women became powerfully alluring. Impossible to explain.

    However I've mostly got it out of my system now. Prolonged exposure to Asian women and their ways is the best tonic for freeing yourself.
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  77. Anon 2 says:

    It was reported a couple of years ago that one of
    the most common forms of bullying in high school
    is black kids attacking Asian students

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    "It was reported a couple of years ago that one of
    the most common forms of bullying in high school
    is black kids attacking Asian students"

    If the elites would end Asian immigration into The U.S than it would greatly reduce the number of Black on Asian bullying in K-12 public schools.
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  78. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Sure, but this famous Coke ad from 1971 might have been the grand daddy of diversity celebration (though on a global scale):
    https://youtu.be/1VM2eLhvsSM

    Don Draper, you magnificent bastard.

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  79. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there's not a huge difference.

    “Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there’s not a huge difference.”

    There is no sexual drought for Asian men as long as they stay within their race. Now if they prefer women who look like Abby Huntsman over their own Asian women than there is going to be major sexual drought for them.

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  80. Felix.. says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Is there really a sexual drought for Asian men?

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there's not a huge difference.

    The statistics show that East Asian and White men have similar rates of infection with STIs. So if we take STIs are a proxy for sexual activity, there’s not a huge difference.

    That’s because white men are banging Asian girls while the leftover Asian guys are stuck with black women, as per the Walmart commercial. Quantitatively, the white guys have to bang many more Asian women to achieve the same STI rate as the small fraction of leftover Asian men who are able to land black woman, because Asian women have a much lower STI rate than black women.

    It’s Science!

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  81. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
     
    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you're finished. I'm a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I've found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it's the exact opposite with Asian women.

    I don’t understand that mindset. I was going to say unless it’s yours, but even then it doesn’t make sense. Most people are most attracted to their own kind, but not exclusively.

    Finding one race attractive exclusively is perverse, and there’s a pattern to sexual perversion. You’d think an Asian fetish as strong as yours would, like most fetishes, tie into early sexual experiences. But to start at 25? What? That’s sounds like the “once you go black” joke.

    I call pretension. “I don’t eat processed foods,” or “I only listen to jazz music.”

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    He was trying to say Once you go yellow, you're a happy fellow?
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  82. Jefferson says:
    @Anon 2
    It was reported a couple of years ago that one of
    the most common forms of bullying in high school
    is black kids attacking Asian students

    “It was reported a couple of years ago that one of
    the most common forms of bullying in high school
    is black kids attacking Asian students”

    If the elites would end Asian immigration into The U.S than it would greatly reduce the number of Black on Asian bullying in K-12 public schools.

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    I think sterilization in exchange for welfare and sterilization in lieu of jail far more useful in moving the community IQ rightwards.
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  83. bomag says:
    @unpc downunder
    It isn't the liberal left that hyper-sexualises culture, it's the liberal right. Think libertarians like Hugh Heffner and Howard Stern. Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.

    Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.

    Stern and Hef don’t help much, but the progressive Left is very much at the forefront of pornificating everything in the culture. Just look at the art they promulgate: vagina monologues?

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  84. wren says:

    Nicolas Cage has a new Asian girlfriend that doesn’t show up on this old list.

    http://madamenoire.com/248679/hit-with-asian-persuasion-14-celebs-who-have-dated-asian-women/

    They forgot Woody Harrelson.

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    • Replies: @wren
    While reading about George Soros' asian wife, I saw a writer at Forbes named Muhammed Cohen. He lives in Hong Kong.
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  85. Ed says:
    @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    White men are preferred by white, Asian & Hispanic women.

    I suppose black men are popular on the swinger, cuckold scene but I imagine white men hold their own here too.

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    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don't like them, but a small percentage of women ("mud sharks") absolutely are crazy about them. So there's a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don't want them. It's still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it's small enough that most non-black men can avoid "mud sharks" if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.


     
    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can't compete. The reality is that's just not true.

    If you're a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you're more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don't go for them.

    If you don't look good and don't earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It's those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.
    , @Opinionator
    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    Imagine where things would be without the massive media promotion of Black men on news shows, movies, sports.
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  86. Jefferson says:
    @Anonymous
    OT

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/13/paris-terror-attacker-not-ashamed/

    Paris Terror Attacker ‘Not Ashamed’, Gets Fan Mail in Prison, ‘Women Express Love, Desire to Carry His Child’
     
    Anyone know if Dylann Roof gets fan mail from adoring females?

    “Anyone know if Dylann Roof gets fan mail from adoring females?”

    I could see Pistachio Girl Emily Youcis sending Dylann Roof love letters, lol.

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  87. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies, but he was also pretty muscular, a natural ecto-mesomorph who lifted.

    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, “outgoing” when it comes to sexuality—I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of “Asian” porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.

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    They are. I don't consider them to be East Asians; I knew one and he was, I suppose, pretty popular with women. I considered him pretty disgusting, to be honest, and would never want to ape his behavior.

    I mean, basically, he was a classic example of someone talking about 'muh dik' almost all of the time. Certainly don't understand why women seem to like him but I don't think its something that I really care about, and I don't think those are women I want to do much with, either.

    One of my sisters-in-law had a child with a Filipino man who apparently ran off shortly afterward. Just all in all, a mess. Again, I can't imagine wanting to be associated with it.

    I'm so much more like a Mormon, I suppose. I remember a Mormon guy in the Navy telling me, "I don't think I should be with a girl unless I can support her." Fairly resembled my thoughts on the matter. I certainly didn't date until I had a job, at least!

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Assimilated (often 3rd/4th generation) Japanese-American surfer guys do well too.

    Like Steve Aoki.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl2p4G3CUrI

    Lots of them in Hawaii and coastal California.

    The Asian problem is their timidity and tendency to cocoon in mostly-Asian cliques. I'd assume Tiger Mothering doesn't help them much with insecurity issues.
    , @Jefferson
    "Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes."

    In The Bay Area Mexicans and Filipinos really seem to dig each other. They mix with each other as often as Irish, Jews, and Italians mix with each other in The Tri-State Area.
    , @Jefferson
    "One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians."

    If Filipinos behaved like Samoans, Blacks would be scared of Filipinos but they are not.
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  88. @Dave Pinsen
    Sure, but this famous Coke ad from 1971 might have been the grand daddy of diversity celebration (though on a global scale):
    https://youtu.be/1VM2eLhvsSM

    That’s true, but (as you pointed out) they were celebrating diversity on a global scale. It’s more remarkable to celebrate that IN AMERICA. The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us.

    I saw the 1971 ad’s message as suggesting that we should all get along and build a harmonious global community. The 2014 ad’s message is that America is now the United Nations and we should celebrate that.

    The 1971 ad is an embodiment of the old left, while the 2014 ad is an embodiment of the modern day left and cuckservative right.

    Back in the 70s, the left saw non-white peoples as heroic for shaking off Western colonialists and embracing socialism/communism. The left also admired (what they perceived as) third-world down-to-earth simplicity and wanted to move away from rapacious Western capitalism. At the time, lots of leftists saw American militarism (especially in Vietnam and southeast Asia) as especially harmful. This ad is the type of thing a 60s/70s hippie might embrace.

    Today’s left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). “Selling out to the man” is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date.

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    "Today’s left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). “Selling out to the man” is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date."

    The Left contradict themselves. They will wear a Che Guevara t-shirt while talking on their Apple iphone. If Che was still alive today would he approve of all the pure unfiltered capitalism that goes on in Silicon Valley? I doubt it very much.

    "The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us."

    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.
    , @Escher
    After all, Facebook and Apple are essential tools for them to broadcast their SWPLness.
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  89. @whorefinder
    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, "outgoing" when it comes to sexuality---I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of "Asian" porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.

    They are. I don’t consider them to be East Asians; I knew one and he was, I suppose, pretty popular with women. I considered him pretty disgusting, to be honest, and would never want to ape his behavior.

    I mean, basically, he was a classic example of someone talking about ‘muh dik’ almost all of the time. Certainly don’t understand why women seem to like him but I don’t think its something that I really care about, and I don’t think those are women I want to do much with, either.

    One of my sisters-in-law had a child with a Filipino man who apparently ran off shortly afterward. Just all in all, a mess. Again, I can’t imagine wanting to be associated with it.

    I’m so much more like a Mormon, I suppose. I remember a Mormon guy in the Navy telling me, “I don’t think I should be with a girl unless I can support her.” Fairly resembled my thoughts on the matter. I certainly didn’t date until I had a job, at least!

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    I don't know if you're successful now, but you might try a few Game resources--they helped me somewhat. Some of the more complicated gambits are probably beyond you (and me) but stuff like not looking too needy and not too invested is useful. You might try glancing through Roosh and Heartiste's archives (the newer stuff's all alt-right politics), though people here may have better suggestions. Oh, and lift weights. Makes you look more masculine without having to go through any personality changes. ;)

    One of the things I always admired about the Mormons was their ability to live in 1950s America. You want to have a wife and three kids, become a Mormon. They're full of dorky stuff like Family Home Evening that the kids probably mock them for at the time and thank them for 30 years later.
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  90. wren says:
    @wren
    Nicolas Cage has a new Asian girlfriend that doesn't show up on this old list.

    http://madamenoire.com/248679/hit-with-asian-persuasion-14-celebs-who-have-dated-asian-women/

    They forgot Woody Harrelson.

    While reading about George Soros’ asian wife, I saw a writer at Forbes named Muhammed Cohen. He lives in Hong Kong.

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    Yeah he writes for Forbes, apparently he converted when he married a Indonesian woman.
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  91. @Ed
    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    White men are preferred by white, Asian & Hispanic women.

    I suppose black men are popular on the swinger, cuckold scene but I imagine white men hold their own here too.

    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don’t like them, but a small percentage of women (“mud sharks”) absolutely are crazy about them. So there’s a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don’t want them. It’s still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it’s small enough that most non-black men can avoid “mud sharks” if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can’t compete. The reality is that’s just not true.

    If you’re a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you’re more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don’t go for them.

    If you don’t look good and don’t earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It’s those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I’m not saying there aren’t quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.

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    This.

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings---in order to encourage it in the females.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren't following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.
    , @Jefferson
    "The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life."

    Don't forget the White nationalist Anon he also struggles to attract White women, which is why he is a Cuck who believes White women only date Black guys. I think even Rosie O'Donnell has had sex with more White women than Anon has, lol.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym
     
    Johnny bro, paranoia will destroy ya. If you didn’t already get the memo, Ron Unz banned aliases. I’ve never commented under any other name, nor as anon/anonymous.

    From what I can tell, donut, Priss/anonymous, and Anonym are all distinct commenters. From time to time, others have pointed this out to you. Your delusional fixation that there's some overlap is weird. Maybe Ron can clarify if he happens upon this thread.

    , @Eric Ruttencutter
    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.
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  92. @whorefinder
    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, "outgoing" when it comes to sexuality---I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of "Asian" porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.

    Assimilated (often 3rd/4th generation) Japanese-American surfer guys do well too.

    Like Steve Aoki.

    Lots of them in Hawaii and coastal California.

    The Asian problem is their timidity and tendency to cocoon in mostly-Asian cliques. I’d assume Tiger Mothering doesn’t help them much with insecurity issues.

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  93. @Dumbo

    "the structural emasculation of Asian men in all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world."
     
    Sure...

    The media can sell some things, but it i easier to sell what is already being bought.

    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    And you see many White men with Asian women, but very few Asian men with White women.

    (But I saw a Black man with an Asian chick the other day, and an Asian man with a hot Latina, so make of that what you will).

    Rationally, it makes no sense (to me) for an attractive White woman to prefer a Black man over an Asian man, as probabilities indicate that the latter would be a better father and provider, but -- this is not how women think, and they are the ones who choose.

    I think Satoshi Kanazawa wrote about that and was criticized from all sides, but he was mostly right.

    (Incidentally, maybe Satoshi is one of the few Asian men successful with White women? No idea if he's married or anything, but I found these pictures funny: https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/Coauthors.htm)

    Anyway, tough luck for Asians. But if it's a consolation, White men don't have it much easier these days, or they would not go so much for Asian women.

    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    The media shows very few White men with Black women, or White men with other nonwhite women. It shows mostly non-White men with White women.

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    That's changing, it appears. White women with black men has lost its shock value so Hollywood and advertisers are trying the other way. I mean, JJ Abrams' rebooted Star Trek putting Spock in an affair Uhura? Not only is it totally *wrong* for Spock's character to engage in Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer (because he would be betrothed to T'Pring at this point) it looks jarring.
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  94. @Ed
    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    White men are preferred by white, Asian & Hispanic women.

    I suppose black men are popular on the swinger, cuckold scene but I imagine white men hold their own here too.

    Yet consistently Black men are the least popular, responded to race of men, as determined by female choices online. The only race of women that prefers them are black and the kicker is that black women are the least popular choices of black men.

    Imagine where things would be without the massive media promotion of Black men on news shows, movies, sports.

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  95. whorefinder says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don't like them, but a small percentage of women ("mud sharks") absolutely are crazy about them. So there's a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don't want them. It's still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it's small enough that most non-black men can avoid "mud sharks" if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.


     
    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can't compete. The reality is that's just not true.

    If you're a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you're more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don't go for them.

    If you don't look good and don't earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It's those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.

    This.

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings—in order to encourage it in the females.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren’t following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.

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    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings—in order to encourage it in the females.
     
    The glorification of black male masculinity seems to primarily appeal to men, not so much women. Young men (of all races) drool over rappers and (usually black) pro athletes, while young women drool over Justin Bieber. Back in the 90s, girls were drooling over Justin Timberlake. In the 80s, they were drooling over George Michael. As I said above, masculine black males have lots more male groupies than female groupies.

    Interestingly, when you do see women go crazy for pro-athletes, it's usually white athletes. Like Tom Brady. Black athletes usually just aren't that sexually appealing to most non-black women. Though the really famous guys (such as MJ) do very well, of course.

    The exception to the above is black women. Lots of them love black athlete/rapper types.

    I recall reading about NBA groupies in a magazine a few years ago. Nearly 100% of the girls (with a few exceptions) were black.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren’t following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.
     
    That's the entire idea behind social proof. People want something because others want it.
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  96. @Anonymous
    Indian guys have huge dongs though, especially Gujaratis, so they're able to compensate for the lower online response rates. The off-line rates are probably much higher.

    Not true.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6161691.stm

    Condoms ‘too big’ for Indian men
    By Damian Grammaticus
    BBC News, Delhi

    There is a “lack of awareness” over condom sizes
    A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
    The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.
    It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.
    The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.
    Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.
    The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.

    The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.

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  97. Bosch says:
    @Dumbo

    "the structural emasculation of Asian men in all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world."
     
    Sure...

    The media can sell some things, but it i easier to sell what is already being bought.

    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    And you see many White men with Asian women, but very few Asian men with White women.

    (But I saw a Black man with an Asian chick the other day, and an Asian man with a hot Latina, so make of that what you will).

    Rationally, it makes no sense (to me) for an attractive White woman to prefer a Black man over an Asian man, as probabilities indicate that the latter would be a better father and provider, but -- this is not how women think, and they are the ones who choose.

    I think Satoshi Kanazawa wrote about that and was criticized from all sides, but he was mostly right.

    (Incidentally, maybe Satoshi is one of the few Asian men successful with White women? No idea if he's married or anything, but I found these pictures funny: https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/Coauthors.htm)

    Anyway, tough luck for Asians. But if it's a consolation, White men don't have it much easier these days, or they would not go so much for Asian women.

    As in most other things, Japs and Koreans have a leg up over their Chinese cousins. Japanese dudes especially have the advantage of coming from families that have often been in the US for multiple generations (no lingering fobby accent from hanging around with immigrants and linguistically limited second gen kids) and also being pretty masculine, generally: deep voices, square jaws, etc. I don’t think it’s sansei Jap dudes having the most problems on dating sites. But straight-up Japanese Americans are hard to come by given the group is so well assimilated that all the ones I know are hapa or Navy wives of military family members.

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  98. Bosch says:
    @Opinionator
    all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

    Actually, this is a widely observable phenomenon with respect to White men. It is rare to encounter White women who do not abhor White men. It is surmountable on a targeted individual basis but even then the attitude lingers.

    You know you’re a nutcase, right?

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    You don't know many White women, do you?
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  99. @Jefferson
    "In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine."

    The vast majority of Asian Americans worship Black culture (NBA, Hip Hop) so they can't complain about hyper-sexualized culture that makes Asian Americans look like Cucks when hyper-sexualized culture is part of Black culture, the very same Black culture that they idolize. Asian Ameticans can not have their shrimp fried rice and eat it too.

    There’s actually a huge niche for feminine pretty boy types that act sensitive. Just look at how popular Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik are. Back in the 80s, Prince, MJ, and George Michael did very EXTREMELY well for themselves in that niche. Also, Backstreet Boys and N’Sync.

    The brutish masculinity of rappers might give them alpha male dominance, but it’s not appealing to a lot of women who want a sweet, sensitive type. Some women like it, but a lot don’t. Especially younger women, who often find masculinity a bit scary.

    Asian guys can do well if they stick to the feminine niche. They’re never going to outdo the alpha male dominance of black basketball players and rappers.

    The most screwed race are the Indians/Pakis. They’re feminine by personality, but have non-feminine looks and skin color. They’re also weak and unathletic, with a skinny-fat body types. So they really can’t dominate any niche. They can’t be pretty boys, but they can’t be macho, high-T males. Asians are better off than them.

    The Pakis are a particular problem. They’re highly aggressive, but still unattractive. So lots of them end up becoming rapist or clients of child prostitution rings (ie Rotherham). The Indians are unattractive, but more meek. So less of an issue with rape.

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    "The Pakis are a particular problem. They’re highly aggressive, but still unattractive."

    No Pakistani Muslim looks like the Chechen Muslim Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, so for most of them they can only get a woman outside of their race through rape.
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  100. Jefferson says:
    @whorefinder
    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, "outgoing" when it comes to sexuality---I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of "Asian" porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.

    “Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes.”

    In The Bay Area Mexicans and Filipinos really seem to dig each other. They mix with each other as often as Irish, Jews, and Italians mix with each other in The Tri-State Area.

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    Torrance in SoCal was like that.
    , @Flip
    I knew a Chinese immigrant from Hong Kong who said that Filipinos were Chinese Mexicans. He said all the women were maids or prostitutes.
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  101. @Felix..
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That's a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.

    It's just biology, no "dominant culture" bullshit required. After all, according to hollywood movies blacks are the world's foremost rocket scientists and hackers yet this does not translate into how things play out in the real world. Likewise, if Hollywood started to portray Asians more positively than it does now it would not stop Asian women fleeing from 5'7, 140lb Asian men to 6ft+, 180lb + men of other races. It's just biology.

    Asian men drew the 'short' straw and it's our right, nay, duty! as white guys to fill the...er...void.

    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine.

    Some people think Asian women are the least feminine, pointing to breast size, hips, and, ahem, ass. I’ve heard it said in fact that a fetish for Asian women is a sign of or gateway to homosexuality.

    I say this without meaning personally to disparage Asian women. Many are quite lovely, physically and in personality.

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    I have never been able to understand the supposed femininity of Asians as referring to anything other than their personalities. The trade-off is that they come wrapped in the bodies of boys. To be otherwise would violate some equilibrium in Nature, or something like that.
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  102. @Bosch
    You know you're a nutcase, right?

    You don’t know many White women, do you?

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  103. @syonredux

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.
     
    In the real world, that's a very rare sight, indeed.

    I saw one East Asian man – black woman couple during the 20th Century: at a 1999 Christmas party.

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    I saw one East Asian man – black woman couple during the 20th Century: at a 1999 Christmas party.

    Opinionator: The media shows very few White men with Black women

    I'm in my 50s and have lived in several northeast coast and Florida cities and one midwest city - I think I've seen two White male - black female pairings.

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  104. @Anonymous
    Indian guys have huge dongs though, especially Gujaratis, so they're able to compensate for the lower online response rates. The off-line rates are probably much higher.

    A larger dong leads to greater problems with impotency.

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    Speak for yourself.
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  105. @Jefferson
    "Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes."

    In The Bay Area Mexicans and Filipinos really seem to dig each other. They mix with each other as often as Irish, Jews, and Italians mix with each other in The Tri-State Area.

    Torrance in SoCal was like that.

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  106. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    There's actually a huge niche for feminine pretty boy types that act sensitive. Just look at how popular Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik are. Back in the 80s, Prince, MJ, and George Michael did very EXTREMELY well for themselves in that niche. Also, Backstreet Boys and N'Sync.

    The brutish masculinity of rappers might give them alpha male dominance, but it's not appealing to a lot of women who want a sweet, sensitive type. Some women like it, but a lot don't. Especially younger women, who often find masculinity a bit scary.

    Asian guys can do well if they stick to the feminine niche. They're never going to outdo the alpha male dominance of black basketball players and rappers.

    The most screwed race are the Indians/Pakis. They're feminine by personality, but have non-feminine looks and skin color. They're also weak and unathletic, with a skinny-fat body types. So they really can't dominate any niche. They can't be pretty boys, but they can't be macho, high-T males. Asians are better off than them.


    The Pakis are a particular problem. They're highly aggressive, but still unattractive. So lots of them end up becoming rapist or clients of child prostitution rings (ie Rotherham). The Indians are unattractive, but more meek. So less of an issue with rape.

    “The Pakis are a particular problem. They’re highly aggressive, but still unattractive.”

    No Pakistani Muslim looks like the Chechen Muslim Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, so for most of them they can only get a woman outside of their race through rape.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4119040/Married-Calais-Jungle-charity-chief-insisted-volunteers-not-sex-migrants-year-long-affair-toyboy-Tunisian-bodyguard-met-camp.html

    Married Calais Jungle charity chief ‘had a year-long AFFAIR with a toyboy Tunisian bodyguard she met in the camp’ but insisted volunteers should not have sex with migrants

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  108. @whorefinder
    This.

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings---in order to encourage it in the females.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren't following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings—in order to encourage it in the females.

    The glorification of black male masculinity seems to primarily appeal to men, not so much women. Young men (of all races) drool over rappers and (usually black) pro athletes, while young women drool over Justin Bieber. Back in the 90s, girls were drooling over Justin Timberlake. In the 80s, they were drooling over George Michael. As I said above, masculine black males have lots more male groupies than female groupies.

    Interestingly, when you do see women go crazy for pro-athletes, it’s usually white athletes. Like Tom Brady. Black athletes usually just aren’t that sexually appealing to most non-black women. Though the really famous guys (such as MJ) do very well, of course.

    The exception to the above is black women. Lots of them love black athlete/rapper types.

    I recall reading about NBA groupies in a magazine a few years ago. Nearly 100% of the girls (with a few exceptions) were black.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren’t following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.

    That’s the entire idea behind social proof. People want something because others want it.

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    HBD realities are going make trans-racial dating lumpy and uneven anyway. The purpose of black men being worshiped in the media is to make them more attractive to white women than would otherwise have been the case.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    Few things say "I'm a cuck" as much as a White man who's an NBA or NFL fan.
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  109. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don't like them, but a small percentage of women ("mud sharks") absolutely are crazy about them. So there's a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don't want them. It's still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it's small enough that most non-black men can avoid "mud sharks" if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.


     
    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can't compete. The reality is that's just not true.

    If you're a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you're more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don't go for them.

    If you don't look good and don't earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It's those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.

    “The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.”

    Don’t forget the White nationalist Anon he also struggles to attract White women, which is why he is a Cuck who believes White women only date Black guys. I think even Rosie O’Donnell has had sex with more White women than Anon has, lol.

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  110. Veracitor says:

    Curious, isn’t it, how Eddie Huang demonstrates his masculinity level by acting out Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism!

    As for Chinese women and black men, perhaps some of the time they’re acting on the prompting of some very special genes. What quality have Chinese women been bred and trained for thousands of years to seek in a man?

    A civil-service job.

    What special advantage do black men have in today’s America (when they’re not in jail)?

    A massive hiring preference for civil service jobs.

    Kind of makes you say “hmmm,” don’t it?

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    What special advantage do black men have in today’s America (when they’re not in jail)?

    A massive hiring preference for civil service jobs.


    For the past 30 years, I've had several contracting assignments with local, state, and federal agencies - the real beneficiaries of civil service affirmative action has been White females followed by black females. Other than prison guards and bus drivers, black males are (relatively) non-existent.
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  111. Jefferson says:

    A lot of prostitutes have a no Black men policy in their Backpage and Craigslist ads. I wonder why Black men have such a negative reputation among many prostitutes?

    There are also prostitutes who will only accept Black male clients if they are over the age of 50 or over the age of 40 for example.

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    Do you actually wonder? I should think it's obvious.
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  112. @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    A bizarre thing I’ve seen in the U.K. is multi-racial family adverts. Where for instance the grandmother is black, the parents are white and Indian, and the kid is Chinese. All living in harmony, hanging out in the family kitchen. Genetically impossible, unless everyone is adopted.

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    Can you send a link; that is so hilarious, completely synthetic/virtual family; so 21st century/futuristic.
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  113. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    That's true, but (as you pointed out) they were celebrating diversity on a global scale. It's more remarkable to celebrate that IN AMERICA. The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us.

    I saw the 1971 ad's message as suggesting that we should all get along and build a harmonious global community. The 2014 ad's message is that America is now the United Nations and we should celebrate that.

    The 1971 ad is an embodiment of the old left, while the 2014 ad is an embodiment of the modern day left and cuckservative right.

    Back in the 70s, the left saw non-white peoples as heroic for shaking off Western colonialists and embracing socialism/communism. The left also admired (what they perceived as) third-world down-to-earth simplicity and wanted to move away from rapacious Western capitalism. At the time, lots of leftists saw American militarism (especially in Vietnam and southeast Asia) as especially harmful. This ad is the type of thing a 60s/70s hippie might embrace.

    Today's left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). "Selling out to the man" is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date.

    “Today’s left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). “Selling out to the man” is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date.”

    The Left contradict themselves. They will wear a Che Guevara t-shirt while talking on their Apple iphone. If Che was still alive today would he approve of all the pure unfiltered capitalism that goes on in Silicon Valley? I doubt it very much.

    “The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us.”

    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.

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    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.
     
    They're not pandering to Muslims. They're pandering to aspiring goodwhites. Actual goodwhites don't drink Coke of course.
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  114. Lurker says:
    @smb

    the structural emasculation of Asian men
     
    Wait a second, I thought we were suffering from too much "toxic masculinity?" Shouldn't emasculation be a good thing?

    Also, "emasculation" sounds like the kind of gendered complaint that might make theys uncomfortable.

    I thought we were suffering from too much “toxic masculinity?” Shouldn’t emasculation be a good thing?

    I think we all know that it is only white men who have a surfeit of toxic masculinity.

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  115. Lurker says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings—in order to encourage it in the females.
     
    The glorification of black male masculinity seems to primarily appeal to men, not so much women. Young men (of all races) drool over rappers and (usually black) pro athletes, while young women drool over Justin Bieber. Back in the 90s, girls were drooling over Justin Timberlake. In the 80s, they were drooling over George Michael. As I said above, masculine black males have lots more male groupies than female groupies.

    Interestingly, when you do see women go crazy for pro-athletes, it's usually white athletes. Like Tom Brady. Black athletes usually just aren't that sexually appealing to most non-black women. Though the really famous guys (such as MJ) do very well, of course.

    The exception to the above is black women. Lots of them love black athlete/rapper types.

    I recall reading about NBA groupies in a magazine a few years ago. Nearly 100% of the girls (with a few exceptions) were black.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren’t following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.
     
    That's the entire idea behind social proof. People want something because others want it.

    HBD realities are going make trans-racial dating lumpy and uneven anyway. The purpose of black men being worshiped in the media is to make them more attractive to white women than would otherwise have been the case.

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  116. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’ve recently been struck by how many former classmates of mine – kids who graduated from a top three university within the past five years – have been getting married lately.

    As you’d expect, many of these couples are cute god-fearing Midwesterners or East Coast Catholics (suddenly becoming a serious Catholic at age nineteen is huge among young reactionary right-wingers), but a seriously surprising number of these marriages are between a pretty and nice Christian white girl and a nice and dorky Asian man (Korean or Chinese). I’d estimate about half.

    I guess Elliot Rodger should’ve just gone to church.

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    Do those nice and dorky Asians bring nice paychecks reliably? That matters a lot in serious (as in children producing) marriages. God-fearing Midwesterners and East coast Catholics have seen what lack of nice paychecks does to marriages (Opioids, Meth, alcohol, etc.,). So, nice and dorky sounds good if you plan on having kids. Also, nice and dorky Asians tend to cheat less and lead to divorces; that is a good thing too if the ladies want to reproduce.
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  117. @JohnnyWalker123
    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don't like them, but a small percentage of women ("mud sharks") absolutely are crazy about them. So there's a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don't want them. It's still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it's small enough that most non-black men can avoid "mud sharks" if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.


     
    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can't compete. The reality is that's just not true.

    If you're a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you're more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don't go for them.

    If you don't look good and don't earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It's those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym

    Johnny bro, paranoia will destroy ya. If you didn’t already get the memo, Ron Unz banned aliases. I’ve never commented under any other name, nor as anon/anonymous.

    From what I can tell, donut, Priss/anonymous, and Anonym are all distinct commenters. From time to time, others have pointed this out to you. Your delusional fixation that there’s some overlap is weird. Maybe Ron can clarify if he happens upon this thread.

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    Well, Priss is definitely Anon. Not sure why he stopped posting under his name, but some stylistic mannerisms are unmistakable.
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  118. “never in a thousand millenniums” aaiiee ! Millennia !

    (say what you like about Zuckerberg, I bet he’d get that right)

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  119. @Felix..
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That's a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.

    It's just biology, no "dominant culture" bullshit required. After all, according to hollywood movies blacks are the world's foremost rocket scientists and hackers yet this does not translate into how things play out in the real world. Likewise, if Hollywood started to portray Asians more positively than it does now it would not stop Asian women fleeing from 5'7, 140lb Asian men to 6ft+, 180lb + men of other races. It's just biology.

    Asian men drew the 'short' straw and it's our right, nay, duty! as white guys to fill the...er...void.

    “while Asian women are the most feminine”

    Ever heard a Chinese lady bawl out an employee?

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  120. @Ivy
    It would be interesting to find out how ad agencies go about deciding on those commercial pitches, and how that interacts with (or even intersects with) company marketing departments. There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely. Evidence of that would help break more rice bowls.

    “There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely”

    Co-ordination or cultural commonalities?

    Top 4 global advertising agencies and CEOs

    WPP – Martin Sorrel
    Omnicom – John Wren
    Publicis – Maurice Levy
    Interpublic – Michael Roth

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  121. @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

    Asian men most prefer Hispanic women? Did I read that right?

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  122. El Dato says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    The endless contortions of NYT editors are somewhere between humorous and horrifying. 10,000 ways of claiming how objectionable and worthless Anglo-American Men are.

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.

    Slavs and Chinese? What?

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    I think he means Joos. If that's what they did, they did a really crap job of it - by the time the war was over, Europe was pretty much Judenrein. Maybe 90% of the pre-war Jewish population of Poland was dead. Roosevelt literally refused to lift a finger to do anything about the Holocaust. Maybe "the tribe" is doing this to get even for Anglo-Americans NOT saving the Joos. That would make more sense even if it isn't true either.
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  123. El Dato says:
    @SonOfStrom
    Speaking of Pokémon Points, this has got to be a Trump card, no:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/01/13/the_time_he_desires_gay_muslim_furry_romance_is_a_book_against_the_trump.html

    Gay Muslim Furry Romance

    Absolutely Haram.

    Oh wait, it’s against Trump.

    Okay.

    Back in March of 2016, a group of Syrian refugees was temporarily placed in the same hotel as a furry conference, resulting in a heartwarming cultural exchange as the con attendees welcomed the residents to their new country. In October, a Tumblr post went viral in which a teen girl breathlessly described a group of awesome furry bowlers in her town. And on Reddit, a user confessed that when he went to a furry conference to make fun of attendees, he wound up having such a good time that he joined them.

    I blame Disney movies for this.

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  124. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @SPMoore8
    The navel-gazing (or maybe he's gazing a little lower) of this article is just another example of how self-absorbed, and thus worthless, so much writing is nowadays.

    Asian men marry white women all the time. And there's no problem.

    What this article really points to is a sort of basic hostility between Asians and Africans. And, from what I have seen, that really does exist.

    As an Asian man I’ve noticed that black men seem to have the most hostile reaction compared to other races about an Asian man and white woman. I’ve gotten a lot of negative reactions (e.g. unfriendly long stares) from black men when out with a white woman so I’ve thought about this issue (black women by the way just seemed amused).

    I think it has to do with lack of political correctness imposed on blacks and racial ego. Black men are not as hindered about speaking their minds when it comes to race including in unspoken, visible expressions. Black masculinity and racial power plays are tied to relationships with white women so I think it diminishes a source of their racial ego when they see an Asian man with a white woman.

    But outside of this personal experience and also broadly speaking of Asian – black race relations, I don’t think there’s much hostility as we do not come into contact with each other much and so no hostility outside of some urban neighborhoods has developed.

    The last time I can even remember an Asian – black spat in the media was in 2005 when an Asian DJ objected to a black DJ’s poor taste joke about tsunami victims. The black DJ responded with a rant about Asians being presumptuous. Whatever widely prevalent hostility (and again I don’t think there is much held by blacks against Asians) is probably tied to embarrassment from Asians following middle class values and doing well in America as that diminishes the value of black arguments about oppression by an unfair society.

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  125. @wren
    While reading about George Soros' asian wife, I saw a writer at Forbes named Muhammed Cohen. He lives in Hong Kong.

    Yeah he writes for Forbes, apparently he converted when he married a Indonesian woman.

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  126. Sunbeam says:
    @Felix..
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That's a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.

    It's just biology, no "dominant culture" bullshit required. After all, according to hollywood movies blacks are the world's foremost rocket scientists and hackers yet this does not translate into how things play out in the real world. Likewise, if Hollywood started to portray Asians more positively than it does now it would not stop Asian women fleeing from 5'7, 140lb Asian men to 6ft+, 180lb + men of other races. It's just biology.

    Asian men drew the 'short' straw and it's our right, nay, duty! as white guys to fill the...er...void.

    “Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine. That’s a double whammy for Asian men, as it means that not only are they not competitive in the sexual marketplace but that everyone else makes it a point to go after Asian women.”

    Look this is a thing apparently. I mean we have a phrase “yellow fever,” whatever.

    But it’s not universal. Personally I don’t find Asian women THAT attractive. If you are talking about pure physical traits I much prefer white women.

    Not like I wouldn’t marry an Asian woman, but it wouldn’t be like I was out looking for one. If anything I’d be less likely to consider one on a dating site of some sort.

    I’m sure that someone from DailyKos perusing this site thinks the readers and posters here are all racists. Maybe. But personally I really don’t care much about physical appearance. Not very keen on subsaharan black phenotypes, but I don’t get a bad vibe from the physical appearance of Middle Easterners, Western Hemisphere Indian types, etc.

    Wouldn’t bug me if I married one and had half white/asian kids or whatever. I am a lot more attuned to how a particular ethnicity behaves and lives than straight physical appearance.

    But some of them don’t butter my biscuits. I’ve seen a lot of Iranian women (though no one would say they aren’t white) that are incredibly hot to me. Dot Indians and East Asians not so much.

    Will say the Idea of knocking boots with a Polynesian lady I had to look up to and could maybe beat me wrestling… sounds interesting, really interesting. Particularly if she had a big rack and long black hair.

    Hmmm ought to be a song in that. Music’s changed though. No more “Whole Lot of Rosie” coming out now.

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  127. BB753 says:
    @Opinionator
    all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

    Actually, this is a widely observable phenomenon with respect to White men. It is rare to encounter White women who do not abhor White men. It is surmountable on a targeted individual basis but even then the attitude lingers.

    Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
    Also, it’s not really hatred but something more akin to fear and suspicion. They’re wary about men. So sad, as Trump would say!

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    "Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists."

    If 99.99% of White women are feminists, how did Donald J. Trump manage to pull off winning 53 percent of the White female vote?
    , @ben tillman

    Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
     
    Divide it by 10 -- 9.99% of women under 70 are feminists.
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  128. Elsewhere says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I have noticed that most men from India (lots of Patels in my area) look like circus freaks, yet I see a lot of very pretty women from India. I can't figure it out.

    Arranged marriages.

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  129. SFG says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    They are. I don't consider them to be East Asians; I knew one and he was, I suppose, pretty popular with women. I considered him pretty disgusting, to be honest, and would never want to ape his behavior.

    I mean, basically, he was a classic example of someone talking about 'muh dik' almost all of the time. Certainly don't understand why women seem to like him but I don't think its something that I really care about, and I don't think those are women I want to do much with, either.

    One of my sisters-in-law had a child with a Filipino man who apparently ran off shortly afterward. Just all in all, a mess. Again, I can't imagine wanting to be associated with it.

    I'm so much more like a Mormon, I suppose. I remember a Mormon guy in the Navy telling me, "I don't think I should be with a girl unless I can support her." Fairly resembled my thoughts on the matter. I certainly didn't date until I had a job, at least!

    I don’t know if you’re successful now, but you might try a few Game resources–they helped me somewhat. Some of the more complicated gambits are probably beyond you (and me) but stuff like not looking too needy and not too invested is useful. You might try glancing through Roosh and Heartiste’s archives (the newer stuff’s all alt-right politics), though people here may have better suggestions. Oh, and lift weights. Makes you look more masculine without having to go through any personality changes. ;)

    One of the things I always admired about the Mormons was their ability to live in 1950s America. You want to have a wife and three kids, become a Mormon. They’re full of dorky stuff like Family Home Evening that the kids probably mock them for at the time and thank them for 30 years later.

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    Thanks. I was actually a follower of the PUA ideas all the way back to 2007 or earlier, and it was very useful as a companion in thought. I can't help but think that that the ideas have advanced and refined since Mystery and Neil Strauss so I might take another look at it.

    I'm married and all now, so I don't really feel a great need in that respect, but I do credit the ideas in part for helping me there. It seems so silly these days! But I remember it altering the way that I approached her, and occasionally I rib my wife by reminding her that being super-assertively clearly worked on her. She tends to shush me.

    Personally, I've expanded the methodology to go beyond "get the girl" into more general understanding of psychology and marketing. I've found it useful, and actively object to feminists who want to ban PUA or something. It probably saved my life, so how could I ever come to disagree with its notions?

    Mormons are often silly, but in retrospect, they seem to be remarkably well balanced people. I've known quite a few. I might not call them the most innovative or edgy, but amazing edgy. I remember a couple getting married at 19, and we all said that they were making a terrible mistake with their lives. Well, decades later, many of the people who were saying that have been divorced, remain single, or at least childless. Our teenage coupled don't seem to be suffering from any of those maladies.

    They don't have our smartphones, though. Hah. Surely we are winning with more toys.
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  130. @Jefferson
    "On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism."

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men's affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Census_Bureau_statistics

    The vast majority of White men would not find Jessica Huang from Fresh Off The Boat to be more attractive than Jennifer Connelly.


    Outside of Mark Zuckerberg why don't a high percentage of White male billionaires have an Asian wife? Bill Gates doesn't have an Asian wife and neither does Michael Bloomberg, Donald J. Trump, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, The Koch Brothers, Mark Cuban, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickens, Steve Wynn, Elon Musk, the late S. Truett Cathy, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson, Paul McCartney, etc.

    Zuckerberg, at 32, is much younger than the group of billionaires you listed, so maybe there is a generational difference at play.
    Bill Gates=61, Bloomberg=74, Trump=70, Lucas=72, Spielberg=70, Kochs=81 and 76, Cuban=58, Jobs=61 (had he lived), Buffett=86, Pickens=88, Wynn=74, Musk=45 (but he is the next Elizabeth Holmes), Cathy=96 (had he lived), Branson=66, Bezos=56, Adelson=83, McCartney=74.
    The only old billionaire who dug Asian girls that I can think of is Rupert Murdoch, formerly married to Wendi Deng.

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  131. @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    I have never gotten that impression wrt Asians in the Alt Right, tbh. But I do know that Elliot Rodger serves as an in-joke for that group. In no way does anyway on the Alt Right earnestly admire him. The fact that you mistook that casts doubt on your first observation.

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    The Eliot Rodger meme is a subtle six page HBD statement in two words.

    (although personally i wonder if the issue may be more how half-white people react to the anti-white trend in the media)

    Having said that i agree with the OP there are Asians (and Jews) who have an online alt-right persona - partly just for giggles, partly to rag on black people cos bullying.
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  132. @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

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  133. keuril says:
    @Jefferson
    "On the flip side, I’m sure there’s a way to blame white men’s affinity for Asian women…on white racism."

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men's affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Census_Bureau_statistics

    The vast majority of White men would not find Jessica Huang from Fresh Off The Boat to be more attractive than Jennifer Connelly.


    Outside of Mark Zuckerberg why don't a high percentage of White male billionaires have an Asian wife? Bill Gates doesn't have an Asian wife and neither does Michael Bloomberg, Donald J. Trump, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, The Koch Brothers, Mark Cuban, the late Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickens, Steve Wynn, Elon Musk, the late S. Truett Cathy, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson, Paul McCartney, etc.

    Only a measly 1 percent of all married White men in The U.S have an Asian wife. So White men’s affinity for Asian women can be categorized as fake news

    OTOH, the same Wikipedia table shows that this 1 percent of married white men equates to an unmeasly 15.2% of married Asian women. And considering that a significant number of Asian women got married to an Asian male in their country of origin before immigrating to the US, the effective share of married-to-white Asian women among Asian women who got married in the US must be quite a bit higher. Like maybe double.

    If a quarter to a third of eligible Asian young women are exogamous, you can start to understand why Asian males would be frustrated. And this starts to look like serious interest in Asian females among white males. I will also hazard a wild guess that Asian females account for more than 1% of the porn looked at by white males (judging by Asian females’ prominence in porn categories). A revealed preference outside the control of MSM.

    Re: why don’t a high percentage of billionaires other than Zuck marry Asians, why are you looking at billionaires? This is a pretty small group and is perhaps not very representative of the man on the street. And Asian women have a 1/18 marriage share of the men you listed, so considerably higher than for the US as a whole. Go ahead, track down every billionaire who’s married, and see if their wife is Asian, and check if the percentage is any lower than in that Wikipedia table. And if you think that’s silly, then again: why are you using billionaires to make your point?

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  134. @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Ad agencies are staffed by single white women and poofters. ‘Nuff said.

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  135. @JohnnyWalker123
    Black guys are very hit and miss with women. Most women don't like them, but a small percentage of women ("mud sharks") absolutely are crazy about them. So there's a small pond of non-black women that lots of black guys fish in, while most women don't want them. It's still a large enough (and promiscuous enough) pond that a lot of black guys still get to have their fun, but it's small enough that most non-black men can avoid "mud sharks" if they want.

    Read this.

    http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have-a-game-advantage

    From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.
    Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.
    Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys.


     
    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym assumes that every woman wants black men and that whites can't compete. The reality is that's just not true.

    If you're a tall white guy with decent aesthetics and muscle, you have a lot of sexual opportunities with all races both at home and abroad. If you're more average looking and earn a decent income, you still have okay opportunities, especially with Hispanic, Indian, and Asian girls. Black women are an option too, but most white guys don't go for them.

    If you don't look good and don't earn much, then you end up getting screwed badly in the mating market. It's those guys who end up being celibate and then dating&marrying overweight ex-mudsharks. Being an omega male white guy male is a horrible experience, no doubt.
    My guess is that our friend Donut/Priss/Anonymous falls into this category, which is why he has a lot to say about white women and black men.

    Surprisingly, even a lot of famous black athletes, rappers, and celebs end up with mediocre-quality women (usually black). I think men are actually more enthralled with black masculinity than women. Black men tend to have more white male groupies than white female groupies. I'm not saying there aren't quite a few sexually successful black men, but black men (in general) are not owning the sexual market by any means. In modern day America, the apex of the sexual pyramid is owned by handsome white frat-jocks. The type of guy who plays football in high school and joins Theta Chi fraternity at USC. His father is some type of golf-playing management/sales type at BIG CORP.

    The problem is that not everyone can be a the top of the pyramid. The further down you go, the worse it gets. Unfortunately, Donut/Priss and Whiskey got dealt a bad hand in life.

    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.

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    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.
     
    Dude, give me Steve's girlfriend...and death...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c_PPpIslY
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  136. @syonredux

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.
     
    In the real world, that's a very rare sight, indeed.

    The Patriots playing that poorly is a rare sight indeed.

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  137. @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    “And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.”

    Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them (regardless how the Hapas see themselves). If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.

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    "Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them"

    There are billions of Asians on the planet who have zero percent White ancestry, so they don't need a one drop rule to increase their numbers in the world.
    , @Erik Sieven
    as such it should actually be taught in school. Then again it would be a huge embarrassment.
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  138. @Whiskey
    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, "Wal Mart is not for White people." That's what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the "studly Black genius" fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying "Oh my" to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that's a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

    Plus in the Pepsi commercial, the studly black printer genius grabs the Pepsi from the white guy. Imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed.

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  139. Flip says:
    @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

    Charles Murray, Phil Gramm, Jim Webb, George Will. Fred Reed’s wife (not sure if they’re married) is Mexican.

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    Rupert Murdoch too although his Chinese wife supposedly cheated on him with Tony Blair and now he's married to Mick Jagger's ex wife.
    , @Desiderius
    As in so much, St. John blazed the trail.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mvEfON2CI
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  140. biz says:
    @unpc downunder
    It isn't the liberal left that hyper-sexualises culture, it's the liberal right. Think libertarians like Hugh Heffner and Howard Stern. Many progressive men and women support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualised advertising.

    The type of progressives who support restrictions on pornography and highly sexualized advertizing are only interested in restricting depictions of attractve females. For the most part they do not oppose the constant bombardment of shirtless model men that we are talking about here, and in fact view it as positive turn-about.

    It is because “unrealistic” female bodies (aka women who would have been the average dress size in 1960) are definitely damaging to women’s and girls’ self-esteem, but there is no such thing as male self-esteem. Or something.

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  141. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Who ghostwrote Harvey’s books? I see where William Peter Blatty has died. He ghostwrote Dear Abbey’s book ‘Dear Teenager’ which gained her much applause. Everything is fake. Were Harvey white he’d get kicked off the beauty contest job but being black he gets extra consideration. Being divorced twice makes him a relationship expert one supposes.

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  142. JSM says:
    @Opinionator
    The media sells all kinds of mixed couples, but in real life you see several Black men with White women, but very few White men with Black women.

    The media shows very few White men with Black women, or White men with other nonwhite women. It shows mostly non-White men with White women.

    That’s changing, it appears. White women with black men has lost its shock value so Hollywood and advertisers are trying the other way. I mean, JJ Abrams’ rebooted Star Trek putting Spock in an affair Uhura? Not only is it totally *wrong* for Spock’s character to engage in Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer (because he would be betrothed to T’Pring at this point) it looks jarring.

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  143. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    It’s not the Left imo. It’s an anti-white thing driven by the media with Asians as collateral damage.

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  144. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Calogero
    Most Asians in America today are not descended from the Chinese-American "coolies" of the late 1800s or the Japanese-Americans interned during WW2. Most came post-1965 and have zero connection to any repressions in the distant past. It would be like the son of an student from Africa constantly bringing up slavery in the U.S. as if he were himself the descendant of slaves. Oh wait...

    It would be like the son of an student from Africa constantly bringing up slavery in the U.S. as if he were himself the descendant of slaves. Oh wait…

    or worse a student from Africa descended from one of the main slaving tribes.

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  145. @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    You’re still watching that crap? And giving the networks your money to do it?

    Sounds like you just identified yet another good reason to stop shopping at Wal mart, not to mention stop supporting African-worship (NFL).

    Time we stopped subsidizing the declared enemies of our nation, our people, our values, our way of life, and our very survival and safety. GET rid of the damn TVs already.

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  146. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Donut/PrissFactor/Dominique/JennerIckham/Anonymous/Anonym
     
    Johnny bro, paranoia will destroy ya. If you didn’t already get the memo, Ron Unz banned aliases. I’ve never commented under any other name, nor as anon/anonymous.

    From what I can tell, donut, Priss/anonymous, and Anonym are all distinct commenters. From time to time, others have pointed this out to you. Your delusional fixation that there's some overlap is weird. Maybe Ron can clarify if he happens upon this thread.

    Well, Priss is definitely Anon. Not sure why he stopped posting under his name, but some stylistic mannerisms are unmistakable.

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    Anon = Priss = Dominique Francon Society = some other handles I forget. As you say, his mannerisms are unmistakable. I find him interesting and funny. He may be insane though.

    Why would anyone think Jenner Ickham Errican was in that group?
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  147. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Altai
    Went to check, top post on /r/AsianMaculinity.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianMasculinity/

    If you think the manosphere can get a little hyperbolic sometimes, these guys are even worse. They doth protest a little too much that East Asian men are seen as on average less intrinsically masculine or socially-dominant than others. The other idea is that people judge attractiveness on a simple racial basis. Most Asian men are less masculine or shorter? Oh look an attractive, socially dominant man, oh wait, he's Asian, guess he's unattractive after all. That isn't how attraction works.

    This is the same fallacy as that which asserts I'm as afraid of the black guy in a suit and tie as the white guy dressed like a thug and a shifty demeanour.

    A lot of the posts have much in common with /r/short.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/short/

    This is, of course, a coincidence.

    A lot of the posts have much in common with /r/short.

    yes, guaranteed one of the first things CRISPR is used for is height

    (or lactose tolerance to get it that way)

    i read somewhere the thing women most lie about online is their age and the thing men most lie about is their height – even before income

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  148. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder
    I know quite a few Asian man-white woman pairings (both east Asian and South Asian, e.g. Indian) , and I've never seen or felt any racial hostility. It's a bit surprising, but along the lines of seeing a woman with a man who's shorter than her---unusual, but not to make you gawk or be "shocked" in any way. And I'm a pretty racist dude.

    The old tropes about "evil" Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery. But it was largely against the woman's will, after she'd been drugged by some "magical" concoction.

    It's really only the black man with a non-black female that really rankles people the most. That trope is that blacks swoop in and cuckold the (non-black) men with willing local women, who then become trashy degenerates.

    And that latter stereotype is prevalent in every culture that has come into contact with West Africans.

    The old tropes about “evil” Asians-on-white-women were that they captured white women and sold them into sex slavery.

    It was probably true at one time. When you have immigration that is almost all male you either get girls trafficked from their home region to work as prostitutes or the most vulnerable local girls are forced into it – often using drugs – then it dies down after more female immigrants arrive and the gender balance shifts.

    Hence why forced prostitution is happening on an industrial scale in Europe now.

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  149. @SFG
    I don't know if you're successful now, but you might try a few Game resources--they helped me somewhat. Some of the more complicated gambits are probably beyond you (and me) but stuff like not looking too needy and not too invested is useful. You might try glancing through Roosh and Heartiste's archives (the newer stuff's all alt-right politics), though people here may have better suggestions. Oh, and lift weights. Makes you look more masculine without having to go through any personality changes. ;)

    One of the things I always admired about the Mormons was their ability to live in 1950s America. You want to have a wife and three kids, become a Mormon. They're full of dorky stuff like Family Home Evening that the kids probably mock them for at the time and thank them for 30 years later.

    Thanks. I was actually a follower of the PUA ideas all the way back to 2007 or earlier, and it was very useful as a companion in thought. I can’t help but think that that the ideas have advanced and refined since Mystery and Neil Strauss so I might take another look at it.

    I’m married and all now, so I don’t really feel a great need in that respect, but I do credit the ideas in part for helping me there. It seems so silly these days! But I remember it altering the way that I approached her, and occasionally I rib my wife by reminding her that being super-assertively clearly worked on her. She tends to shush me.

    Personally, I’ve expanded the methodology to go beyond “get the girl” into more general understanding of psychology and marketing. I’ve found it useful, and actively object to feminists who want to ban PUA or something. It probably saved my life, so how could I ever come to disagree with its notions?

    Mormons are often silly, but in retrospect, they seem to be remarkably well balanced people. I’ve known quite a few. I might not call them the most innovative or edgy, but amazing edgy. I remember a couple getting married at 19, and we all said that they were making a terrible mistake with their lives. Well, decades later, many of the people who were saying that have been divorced, remain single, or at least childless. Our teenage coupled don’t seem to be suffering from any of those maladies.

    They don’t have our smartphones, though. Hah. Surely we are winning with more toys.

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    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn't let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff...even if you are using to 'maintain the fire' she might get the wrong idea. ;)

    The thing about feminism is that it's a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!). If feminists oppose something, it's because they think it's bad for women, and if it's bad for women there's always at least the possibility it's good for men, and bears further investigation, IMHO. I actually remember reading Everyday Feminism for hints (inverted, of course).

    The Mormons seem to have sacrificed genius for wide-ranging functionality--they've got a higher mean and a lower standard deviation, I'd say. The theology is a bit ridiculous, but so are lots of other theologies. For most people church is primarily social anyway.
    , @Marina
    I'm white and I married an Asian classmate not long before we finished college, and I don't think I'd given any thought to dating an Asian before I did. I knew I wanted someone serious and future minded with a good work ethic who was really, really smart. Most of the guys I met who were really smart and my sort of hippy dippy college weren't in any way motivated or driven or hardworking, even if they were clever. My husband was the first person who met those parameters and showed an interest in me, and I liked him well enough so decided to date him and one thing led to another and now it's been nearly a decade and there are two kids and so on. He just got there first, that's all. A number of the sort of conservative, traditional minded girls I know married or seriously considered East Asian men, possibly because they are more likely to be serious at an early age? Especially if you aren't super religious, the pool of traditional minded people to date can be pretty darned tiny. My husband wasn't going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.
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  150. @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    There is a new online subculture that is part of the left wing of the Alt Right that Carter’s to white male Asian Female couples, and Happas called Asian Aryanisn.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hW7Eqsd9Z7c

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  151. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    agreed – people who got bullied by black kids at school and want to vent

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  152. @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    In another more traditional age a man’s desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    You left out the most important factor in mate desirability in a more traditional age – race.

    Until a few decades ago, Asian men were, as much as possible, barred from entering the country.

    The few who were here “didn’t have a leg up” with white women, despite their “loyalty, good family, education and civility”, and no matter how much money they made.

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  153. @Dahlia
    Have long gotten the impression that young Asian men are strongly over-represented on alt-right twitter, reddit, etc.

    And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger.

    Elliot Rodger is not anyone’s hero that I know of, anyway.

    I like to think that there are more sane people among us than the insane, of course. I’ve been on the right for a long, long time myself and anything that increases our numbers on the Right Side of History and not on the Coalition of Loser Fringes is to our limited credit.

    Oh, and I voted Trump. I don’t know if I call myself Alt-Right myself, but heaven knows that I couldn’t breathe with any more “social justice.” With every inch of my heart, I want Hildabeast and her ilk to just burn up and fade away.

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  154. @Whiskey
    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, "Wal Mart is not for White people." That's what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the "studly Black genius" fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying "Oh my" to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that's a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

    Here’s the Pepsi TV ad with the black guy fixing the printer:

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/04/stephen-gostkowski-imagines-glory-of-fixing-printers-in-new-pepsi-commercial/

    Here’s the Walmart TV ad with the black mom/Asian dad:

    https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A8wq/walmart-the-weeknight-song-by-the-heavy

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  155. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mikey Darmody
    I have never gotten that impression wrt Asians in the Alt Right, tbh. But I do know that Elliot Rodger serves as an in-joke for that group. In no way does anyway on the Alt Right earnestly admire him. The fact that you mistook that casts doubt on your first observation.

    The Eliot Rodger meme is a subtle six page HBD statement in two words.

    (although personally i wonder if the issue may be more how half-white people react to the anti-white trend in the media)

    Having said that i agree with the OP there are Asians (and Jews) who have an online alt-right persona – partly just for giggles, partly to rag on black people cos bullying.

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  156. @whorefinder
    Actually, I'm guessing Harvey is known to blue state SWPL crew.

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee's Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four---he's basically an old-school, 1960's "edgy" black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting; you could imagine Sinatra or Martin or Sammy Davis having him open for them back then, except he'd be asked not to be so blue (Harvey does have a potty mouth at times).

    No surprise Harvey went on to become a successful game show host (the latest of the Family Feud hosts) and a decent talk-show host (titled Steve Harvey). His black sitcom (The Steve Harvey Show), which ran in the 1990s, was actually pretty decent light fare and could have been done by any non-black cast (Harvey's hilarious wig/hairplugs, however, could not; he did a good thing shaving himself bald). And Harvey's done some Cosby-esque shows along the lines of Kids Say the Darndest Things; I'm guessing Harvey modeled his act more on Cosby than Prior.

    All that is to say that SWPL's would probably know Harvey's name and face. The things I just mentioned are things SWPL's are in the know about, at least tangentially.

    P.S. Love the writer mentioning his therapist; talk about SWPL-signalling! No wonder he's so verklempt, the whiny baby.

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee’s Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four—he’s basically an old-school, 1960′s “edgy” black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting

    You don’t mean “never”; you mean “no longer.”

    He certainly started out screaming about how much he hates the white man. There are tapes of him onstage 20 years ago, when he was just starting out in Dallas, ranting about how profoundly he hates Whitey. He urged audience members to spit on white people and beat up old white women.

    And Harvey doesn’t deny that these tapes exist; he’s simply suing the guy who has them for extortion.

    Steve Harvey has been busted in a shocking racist scandal that could destroy his carefully crafted nice guy image! RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that he’s been slammed with a bombshell lawsuit that claims he was caught on tape spewing hateful diatribes against white people.

    A two-month investigation uncovered a former employee of Harvey’s who claims he has recordings of the ‘Family Feud’ host going on insane rants.

    “I don’t give a s–t about America!” Harvey bellowed on one tape, the owner of the recording, Joseph Cooper, told Radar.

    On others, Cooper said Harvey urged fans to “spit on white people!” and “go assault old white women!”. But in a legal twist, Harvey filed a lawsuit against Cooper, accusing the Dallas man of using the recordings to “extort” him for a whopping $5 million.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2016/11/steve-harvey-racist-tapes-extortion-lawsuit-family-feud-host-hate-claims-whites/

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  157. Flip says:
    @Flip
    Charles Murray, Phil Gramm, Jim Webb, George Will. Fred Reed's wife (not sure if they're married) is Mexican.

    Rupert Murdoch too although his Chinese wife supposedly cheated on him with Tony Blair and now he’s married to Mick Jagger’s ex wife.

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  158. Flip says:
    @Jefferson
    "Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes."

    In The Bay Area Mexicans and Filipinos really seem to dig each other. They mix with each other as often as Irish, Jews, and Italians mix with each other in The Tri-State Area.

    I knew a Chinese immigrant from Hong Kong who said that Filipinos were Chinese Mexicans. He said all the women were maids or prostitutes.

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  159. SFG says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Thanks. I was actually a follower of the PUA ideas all the way back to 2007 or earlier, and it was very useful as a companion in thought. I can't help but think that that the ideas have advanced and refined since Mystery and Neil Strauss so I might take another look at it.

    I'm married and all now, so I don't really feel a great need in that respect, but I do credit the ideas in part for helping me there. It seems so silly these days! But I remember it altering the way that I approached her, and occasionally I rib my wife by reminding her that being super-assertively clearly worked on her. She tends to shush me.

    Personally, I've expanded the methodology to go beyond "get the girl" into more general understanding of psychology and marketing. I've found it useful, and actively object to feminists who want to ban PUA or something. It probably saved my life, so how could I ever come to disagree with its notions?

    Mormons are often silly, but in retrospect, they seem to be remarkably well balanced people. I've known quite a few. I might not call them the most innovative or edgy, but amazing edgy. I remember a couple getting married at 19, and we all said that they were making a terrible mistake with their lives. Well, decades later, many of the people who were saying that have been divorced, remain single, or at least childless. Our teenage coupled don't seem to be suffering from any of those maladies.

    They don't have our smartphones, though. Hah. Surely we are winning with more toys.

    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn’t let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff…even if you are using to ‘maintain the fire’ she might get the wrong idea. ;)

    The thing about feminism is that it’s a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!). If feminists oppose something, it’s because they think it’s bad for women, and if it’s bad for women there’s always at least the possibility it’s good for men, and bears further investigation, IMHO. I actually remember reading Everyday Feminism for hints (inverted, of course).

    The Mormons seem to have sacrificed genius for wide-ranging functionality–they’ve got a higher mean and a lower standard deviation, I’d say. The theology is a bit ridiculous, but so are lots of other theologies. For most people church is primarily social anyway.

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    The thing about feminism is that it’s a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!).
     
    off-topic but i'd say it's a movement to advocate for the interests of women who are

    career > kids

    hence why it's worked well for them but ends up being bad for women who are

    kids > career

    , @Desiderius

    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn’t let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff…even if you are using to ‘maintain the fire’ she might get the wrong idea. ;)
     
    Using emoticons is a good way to put your own wife off the scent.
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  160. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I think there’s an element of truth in most of the comments but I also think people are conflating the macho vs non macho thing with the height thing.

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  161. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @SFG
    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn't let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff...even if you are using to 'maintain the fire' she might get the wrong idea. ;)

    The thing about feminism is that it's a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!). If feminists oppose something, it's because they think it's bad for women, and if it's bad for women there's always at least the possibility it's good for men, and bears further investigation, IMHO. I actually remember reading Everyday Feminism for hints (inverted, of course).

    The Mormons seem to have sacrificed genius for wide-ranging functionality--they've got a higher mean and a lower standard deviation, I'd say. The theology is a bit ridiculous, but so are lots of other theologies. For most people church is primarily social anyway.

    The thing about feminism is that it’s a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!).

    off-topic but i’d say it’s a movement to advocate for the interests of women who are

    career > kids

    hence why it’s worked well for them but ends up being bad for women who are

    kids > career

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  162. Veracitor says:

    If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.

    What? All Asian women are property of Asian men? And Fate will punish non-Asian men who corrupt Asian women (all of them born into marriage with Asian men) by cursing their cuckoo’s-egg sons with psychotic mental illness?

    Your writings sound a bit like those of Elliott Rodger himself, Hap old bean.

    Of course, history records that Rodger’s Malaysian-Chinese mother is the one who chased–White men, and her son’s problem was that he was creepy and whiny and [reading between the lines here] never understood how to talk to girls.

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  163. AMWF says:

    FACT : ‘US-born Asian-American men have the HIGHEST intermarriage rates of ANY ethnic/racial male group in the US’. Chart : .
    FACT : Asian-American is universal term to describe multiple ethnicities from Asia ranging from Indians to Indonesians to Filipinos to Chinese.
    FACT : The vast majority of White men are with Southeast Asian females rather than East Asians.
    FACT : China & Russia share a border longer than US & Canada without Alaska. There are more Chinese men alone with Russian/Slavic/Central Asian women than ALL the white men with East Asian women in the world (and probably SE Asian women also).

    FYI in the news in the last week or so :
    1. Jeff Sessions. while testifying before Congress, was attacked online for holding his half Asian granddaughter as a prop. Session’s daughter is married to an Asian-American man.
    2. Kellyanne Conway (Trump’s spokesperson) was all over the TV defending Trump from the pissgate leaks. Kellyanne is married to an Asian-American (see picture below)

    3. Mariah Carey made worldwide news for her trainwreck performance during New Years Eve. Mariah Carey left her BILLIONAIRE Aussie white fiancee for her Asian backup dancer – Bryan Tanaka
    4. Daniel Wu was just cast opposite Alicia Vikander as the male lead in the new “Tomb Raider” reboot

    http://comicbook.com/2017/01/13/into-the-badlands-daniel-wu-joins-tomb-raider-reboot/

    5. Obama packed up his belongings and left White House. Obama’s mom remarried an Asian and moved to Indonesia. Obama’s sister is married to a Chinese professor.
    etc etc etc …

    And anybody bringing up Elliot Rodger in this post either obviously didnt follow the case because Rodger hated seeing Asian men with White girls more than anything else in this world as the only incidents in which Rodger was involved with the police prior to his rampage involved Asian men with White women ( http://laist.com/2014/05/30/man_named_in_elliot_rodger_manifest.php ).

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  164. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jimi
    In another more traditional age a man's desirability was determined by income, loyalty, good family, education and civility. Asian men would have had a leg up.

    But in our hyper-sexualized culture, shaped by the American left, masculinity is defined by muscles, bravado and raw charisma. Black man are especially elevated as the most masculine men. Like it or Asian men are the opposite of Black men and therefore least masculine.

    This is due to to the dominant culture. But the dominant culture in American if leftwing-liberalism.

    Actually, the values you mentioned as belonging to “another more traditional age” are still valid for (children producing) marriage relations. The new culture you have mentioned are for premarital, extra-marital, non-hetero and other non-traditional couplings. For example, here in the west coast, Asians do very well in mate selection; not unexpectedly, most of the Asians have Asian mates; However, Asian-white pairings are common enough not to be noticeable. What is definitely noticeable are the very rare Asian-black parings which are rarer than white-black pairings. Asian-white pairings are no more curious than Hispanic-white pairings.

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  165. guest says:
    @Jefferson
    A lot of prostitutes have a no Black men policy in their Backpage and Craigslist ads. I wonder why Black men have such a negative reputation among many prostitutes?

    There are also prostitutes who will only accept Black male clients if they are over the age of 50 or over the age of 40 for example.

    Do you actually wonder? I should think it’s obvious.

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  166. @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

    This jives with my experience; that because Asian women have this attention, many think that all men can be manipulated the same way

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  167. Truth says:
    @Eric Ruttencutter
    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.

    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.

    Dude, give me Steve’s girlfriend…and death…

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    You should've linked to the Tom/Giselle/Illuminati tranny video just below
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  168. Sean says:
    @Veracitor
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.
     
    What? All Asian women are property of Asian men? And Fate will punish non-Asian men who corrupt Asian women (all of them born into marriage with Asian men) by cursing their cuckoo's-egg sons with psychotic mental illness?

    Your writings sound a bit like those of Elliott Rodger himself, Hap old bean.

    Of course, history records that Rodger's Malaysian-Chinese mother is the one who chased--White men, and her son's problem was that he was creepy and whiny and [reading between the lines here] never understood how to talk to girls.
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  169. @Kyle McKenna
    The endless contortions of NYT editors are somewhere between humorous and horrifying. 10,000 ways of claiming how objectionable and worthless Anglo-American Men are.

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.

    The publisher’s tribe is a distant second to the readers’.

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  170. @SFG
    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn't let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff...even if you are using to 'maintain the fire' she might get the wrong idea. ;)

    The thing about feminism is that it's a movement to advocate for the interests of women, or at least what the feminists think the interests of women are (which can frequently be at variance!). If feminists oppose something, it's because they think it's bad for women, and if it's bad for women there's always at least the possibility it's good for men, and bears further investigation, IMHO. I actually remember reading Everyday Feminism for hints (inverted, of course).

    The Mormons seem to have sacrificed genius for wide-ranging functionality--they've got a higher mean and a lower standard deviation, I'd say. The theology is a bit ridiculous, but so are lots of other theologies. For most people church is primarily social anyway.

    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn’t let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff…even if you are using to ‘maintain the fire’ she might get the wrong idea. ;)

    Using emoticons is a good way to put your own wife off the scent.

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    All the kids use emoji? Yeah, but he could be cheating with someone his own age.
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  171. @Ivy
    It would be interesting to find out how ad agencies go about deciding on those commercial pitches, and how that interacts with (or even intersects with) company marketing departments. There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely. Evidence of that would help break more rice bowls.

    I tried three times to post this last night, with no luck. Not sure what was up with Unz…

    Re post by Ivy:

    There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely.

    I’ve thought the same thing for some time now. Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It’s like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK’s Dream really did come true.

    My theory is that there is some coordinating body of ad agency honchos (and honchas) who settle on these themes in the interest of trying to social engineer a harmonious multicultural society. The United Colors of Benetton was just the beginning of the ongoing campaign. Perhaps it is done in coordination with UNESCO or some EU technocratic dept.

    Hey, my wife got a plea for funds in the mail today from the UNHCR featuring a large poster of a photo of a “refugee boat” crammed with several hundred people viewed from above (like from a helicopter overhead) all smiling and waving at the camera. Get this: the boat is apparently speeding along, throwing up frothy waves in its wake, with no visible pilot(s), engine, or other means of propulsion. The headline is “The only thing stronger than fear is hope.” The photo is credited to (c) The Italian Coastguard/Massimo Sestini.

    Image here: http://www.massimosestini.it/wru.html

    Call me hyper-suspicious, but what are the chances that the whole photo is crisply in focus, no one is moving their head creating a blur, all are smiling, no one is giving a finger to the helicopter, etc.? Moreover, at the website above, this is said to be a picture 20 miles off the Libyan coast, plenty of time for the Italian Coastguard to get the boat to turn around and propel itself right back to Libya. Nope! Hope is stronger than fear!

    I also find it curious that nowhere in any of the accompanying material in the mailer is there a spelling out that UNHCR is the acronym for United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. I suppose that there being a “High Commissioner” overseeing all this (and fundraising for it) might be just a little off-putting.

    Strange times we live in…

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    Laugh Track said in part, "Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It’s like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK’s Dream really did come true."

    Ad agencies are populated by single white women and poofters. I had an airplane conversation recently with a woman who worked at an agency and she confirmed this. And of course many corporations are desparate to show their PC bonafides, so it is easy to persuade them to participate in this dreck. See bathrooms, Target.
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  172. Charles Murray, Phil Gramm, Jim Webb, George Will. Fred Reed’s wife (not sure if they’re marrie

    With the possible exception of novelist and ex Navy Secretary Jim Webb, those fellows are losers….
    Not much of an endorsement for marrying Asian or Mexican women.

    As for Webb, he used to be my hero, but he seems to have lost his mojo as he aged.

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  173. @Flip
    Charles Murray, Phil Gramm, Jim Webb, George Will. Fred Reed's wife (not sure if they're married) is Mexican.

    As in so much, St. John blazed the trail.

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  174. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I have noticed that most men from India (lots of Patels in my area) look like circus freaks, yet I see a lot of very pretty women from India. I can't figure it out.

    I see a lot of very pretty women from India.

    In my early 30s, I dated a very attractive Indian woman from Suriname. She had Indian and Dutch heritage; born and raised in Suriname; spoke Dutch and learned English as an adult; did not speak Hindi; raised Christian; and emigrated to the US at age 19. She was light-complected with green eyes and long dark hair. She cooked Indian food and was most comfortable around other Indians; and was familiar with Indian traditions, but mixed well w/ Americans and did not care for blacks. She had been to India one time. One older sister had a failed arranged marriage; another sister did not. By the time I met her, she had become Americanized and would not have accepted an arranged marriage.

    More than one family member and friend told me she was the most beautiful woman they had ever seen.

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  175. @Jefferson
    "Today’s left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). “Selling out to the man” is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date."

    The Left contradict themselves. They will wear a Che Guevara t-shirt while talking on their Apple iphone. If Che was still alive today would he approve of all the pure unfiltered capitalism that goes on in Silicon Valley? I doubt it very much.

    "The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us."

    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.

    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.

    They’re not pandering to Muslims. They’re pandering to aspiring goodwhites. Actual goodwhites don’t drink Coke of course.

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    "Actual goodwhites don’t drink Coke of course.

    Michael Moore drinks plenty of Coke and he is a good White. How do you think he got that Jabba The Hutt body of his.
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  176. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I've recently been struck by how many former classmates of mine - kids who graduated from a top three university within the past five years - have been getting married lately.

    As you'd expect, many of these couples are cute god-fearing Midwesterners or East Coast Catholics (suddenly becoming a serious Catholic at age nineteen is huge among young reactionary right-wingers), but a seriously surprising number of these marriages are between a pretty and nice Christian white girl and a nice and dorky Asian man (Korean or Chinese). I'd estimate about half.

    I guess Elliot Rodger should've just gone to church.

    Do those nice and dorky Asians bring nice paychecks reliably? That matters a lot in serious (as in children producing) marriages. God-fearing Midwesterners and East coast Catholics have seen what lack of nice paychecks does to marriages (Opioids, Meth, alcohol, etc.,). So, nice and dorky sounds good if you plan on having kids. Also, nice and dorky Asians tend to cheat less and lead to divorces; that is a good thing too if the ladies want to reproduce.

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    I can't tell if you took me to be saying that there's anything wrong with dorky nice Asian men. There isn't. Besides, most men at the aforementioned school were dorky. That's partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don't get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5'5'' Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do...

    Anyway, to answer your possibly rhetorical question, yes, in theory both halves of those couples bring in nice paychecks - again, these are classmates from a top school - but I get the sense that the ladies will eventually drop out of the labor force.

    What's most fascinating to me is that these are some of the prettiest, sweetest women you'll find in this kind of environment, and future high status white guys just totally ignore them. Since they have no interest in marrying early and these girls aren't part of the casual sex scene, they might as well not exist.

    White guys are really missing out on a good thing, and the Asians are smart enough to capitalize on their mistakes.

    Oh, and to preempt PUA crap about how these guys will probably make up for it in the long run: they probably won't. Whenever I've seen them marry, it's to less attractive career chicks who will have one child at most. Sad!
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  177. Sean says:
    @Whiskey
    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, "Wal Mart is not for White people." That's what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the "studly Black genius" fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying "Oh my" to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that's a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

    Eastwood got his leading man break because Charles Bronson turned Leone down Eastwood’s stoic and relentless onscreen persona owed more to Charles Bronson I think. It’s true it’s a very Japanese style. Bronson, the master of it, was very very popular in Japan throughout his career.

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  178. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @TelfoedJohn
    A bizarre thing I've seen in the U.K. is multi-racial family adverts. Where for instance the grandmother is black, the parents are white and Indian, and the kid is Chinese. All living in harmony, hanging out in the family kitchen. Genetically impossible, unless everyone is adopted.

    Can you send a link; that is so hilarious, completely synthetic/virtual family; so 21st century/futuristic.

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  179. SFG says:
    @Desiderius

    Hey, cool. If you are married I wouldn’t let your wife know you are looking at PUA stuff…even if you are using to ‘maintain the fire’ she might get the wrong idea. ;)
     
    Using emoticons is a good way to put your own wife off the scent.

    All the kids use emoji? Yeah, but he could be cheating with someone his own age.

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  180. Marina says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Thanks. I was actually a follower of the PUA ideas all the way back to 2007 or earlier, and it was very useful as a companion in thought. I can't help but think that that the ideas have advanced and refined since Mystery and Neil Strauss so I might take another look at it.

    I'm married and all now, so I don't really feel a great need in that respect, but I do credit the ideas in part for helping me there. It seems so silly these days! But I remember it altering the way that I approached her, and occasionally I rib my wife by reminding her that being super-assertively clearly worked on her. She tends to shush me.

    Personally, I've expanded the methodology to go beyond "get the girl" into more general understanding of psychology and marketing. I've found it useful, and actively object to feminists who want to ban PUA or something. It probably saved my life, so how could I ever come to disagree with its notions?

    Mormons are often silly, but in retrospect, they seem to be remarkably well balanced people. I've known quite a few. I might not call them the most innovative or edgy, but amazing edgy. I remember a couple getting married at 19, and we all said that they were making a terrible mistake with their lives. Well, decades later, many of the people who were saying that have been divorced, remain single, or at least childless. Our teenage coupled don't seem to be suffering from any of those maladies.

    They don't have our smartphones, though. Hah. Surely we are winning with more toys.

    I’m white and I married an Asian classmate not long before we finished college, and I don’t think I’d given any thought to dating an Asian before I did. I knew I wanted someone serious and future minded with a good work ethic who was really, really smart. Most of the guys I met who were really smart and my sort of hippy dippy college weren’t in any way motivated or driven or hardworking, even if they were clever. My husband was the first person who met those parameters and showed an interest in me, and I liked him well enough so decided to date him and one thing led to another and now it’s been nearly a decade and there are two kids and so on. He just got there first, that’s all. A number of the sort of conservative, traditional minded girls I know married or seriously considered East Asian men, possibly because they are more likely to be serious at an early age? Especially if you aren’t super religious, the pool of traditional minded people to date can be pretty darned tiny. My husband wasn’t going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.

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    My husband wasn’t going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.
     
    It is baffling to a large extent, the point of dating is to seek someone to be with, I would assume. Notably almost all of the women that I've been with had a similar attitude and so I think there's a strong selectional basis for more functional relationships. So while I think that sure, East Asian men don't work well with a lot of white women, it does seem like there's definitely a percentile where it is both functional and they find common ground in.

    But I'm sure there are women who greatly are fond of men who talk about their malehoods and sexual exploits, and I know that I would never be able to draw them, but I'm also sure that I don't want to deal with that. That'll take too much open-mindnessness for me!
    , @anon
    I think you are a prototype of how more and more smart women will behave; have all the fun you want, but when it comes to settling down to producing children, a would be father with steady and good paycheck is always the best investment. Any other choice will lead to by now familiar path of marital conflicts, opioids, meth, alcohol, violence and divorce.

    AMWF hit it on the head with some good examples.
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  181. @SFG
    All the kids use emoji? Yeah, but he could be cheating with someone his own age.

    Roissy said ixnay on the emojis for men.

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    As I recall, he said something about the winky-face being used by players. But it's been a while.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    He approves of Birthday Cat.
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  182. NBA point guard, Harvard grad Jeremy Lin holds his own against the black players.

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  183. @Dave Pinsen
    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies, but he was also pretty muscular, a natural ecto-mesomorph who lifted.

    I knew a Filipino guy who did well with the ladies

    I’ve lived near a few US military bases over the years and there always seems to be a noticeable number of attractive Filipinas married to White military guys. They must meet the Filipinas when the guys pass through one of the US bases in the Philippines.

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  184. Jack D says:

    I recognized from a young age that I couldn’t and began to plan for life on the margins.

    I read (part of ) Huang’s autobiography (until I got bored – maybe I made it to age 12). Huang sounds like he has ADD – the kind of kid who was always getting in trouble. If he was going to be pushed to the margins, he was the one doing the pushing. He consciously patterned himself after African-American “rap” culture. So it must be doubly insulting to him that a black dude doesn’t buy his faux black act.

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    "He consciously patterned himself after African-American “rap” culture. So it must be doubly insulting to him that a black dude doesn’t buy his faux black act."

    I noticed that the Asian Americans who do not have a high enough IQ to become engineers, computer programmers, doctors, or dentists for example, all end up becoming Asian versions of Wiggers like Eddie Huang.


    There are only 2 types of Asian Americans, rotten bananas (Asian Wiggers) and nerds. There is not a lot of diversity in the Asian American community when it comes to different types of personalities.

    The irony is that the Asian American group who are the least likely to be Asian Wiggers are Indian Americans, even though they are the Asian group who are the closest to African Americans in skin color. Asian Wiggerism is a much bigger phenomenon among the lighter skin Chinese Americans.

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  185. SFG says:
    @Desiderius
    Roissy said ixnay on the emojis for men.

    As I recall, he said something about the winky-face being used by players. But it’s been a while.

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  186. AndrewR says:
    @syonredux

    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.
     
    In the real world, that's a very rare sight, indeed.

    There’s a trainer at my gym who is ethnic Korean (but was raised by Anglos) and is married to a comely mulatta.

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  187. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    "It was reported a couple of years ago that one of
    the most common forms of bullying in high school
    is black kids attacking Asian students"

    If the elites would end Asian immigration into The U.S than it would greatly reduce the number of Black on Asian bullying in K-12 public schools.

    I think sterilization in exchange for welfare and sterilization in lieu of jail far more useful in moving the community IQ rightwards.

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  188. AndrewR says:
    @Langley
    Of course Blacks are above Asians in the race privilege hierarchy in America.

    Here in Hawaii the race hierarchy is (somewhat) based on seniority with Native Hawaiians at the top.

    Haoles are judged by when their ancestors showed up. Missionary decedents outrank malahinis.

    Chinese and Japaneses outrank Filipinos (who are not considered Asian here) and everyone hates the Micronesians.

    I am NOT missionary but my family has been here for many generations.

    I was surfing at Laniakea when an East Coast (I know...) friend of mine dropped in on a local Japanese surfer - Emmit Tananaka. He and his brother Dalton picked a fight with us and started telling us to get out of the water and never surf at Laniakea again.

    I pointed to my grandmothers house on the beach and told them I had been surfing here before they ever got to the North Shore. Knowing they had violated protocol - mistaking me for a malahini - they backed off and later became customers of mine.

    During the 2004 congressional race in Hawaii I was in a quandry. Both Neil Abercrombie (D) and Dalton Tananaka (R) had been good customers. As usual I decided not to vote.

    What the hell do you sell?

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  189. Jack D says:
    @Opinionator
    all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

    Actually, this is a widely observable phenomenon with respect to White men. It is rare to encounter White women who do not abhor White men. It is surmountable on a targeted individual basis but even then the attitude lingers.

    You’re wrong about this. The vast majority of white women still marry white men. The ones who don’t tend to weigh 300 lbs. and couldn’t find a white man.

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  190. Sean says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS-wUJv2AqU&t=2m49s

    Trump has a tower, Harvey has a large hand.

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  191. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    Most men want Asian women. Right, Derb? Fred Reed?

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    On Monday we learned about that the women of Brooklyn are going to die alone because they're too picky. On Tuesday we're learning that Asian women will not die alone, because all men want to date Asian women...

    In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best.

    That's all right though; Asian women respond to Asian men the least as well. Black women are the least likely to get a message from anyone and white men are preferred over all races – except by black women.

     

    Non-Asian men prefer Asian women because they think they are feminine. Asian men know the truth about Asian women because their mama is one – they are ball busters. Underneath the Hello Kitty gloves is an iron fist.

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    "Underneath the Hello Kitty gloves is an iron fist."

    Lol!
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  192. @Steve Sailer
    I saw one East Asian man - black woman couple during the 20th Century: at a 1999 Christmas party.

    I saw one East Asian man – black woman couple during the 20th Century: at a 1999 Christmas party.

    Opinionator: The media shows very few White men with Black women

    I’m in my 50s and have lived in several northeast coast and Florida cities and one midwest city – I think I’ve seen two White male – black female pairings.

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  193. Jefferson says:
    @Desiderius

    Coke should pander to Mexicans way more than they pander to Muslims. After all on a per capita basis Mexicans consume way more coke than Muslims do.
     
    They're not pandering to Muslims. They're pandering to aspiring goodwhites. Actual goodwhites don't drink Coke of course.

    “Actual goodwhites don’t drink Coke of course.

    Michael Moore drinks plenty of Coke and he is a good White. How do you think he got that Jabba The Hutt body of his.

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    Well I'm sure his heart is in the right place but let's not get carried away here - our sort of people take care of themselves better than that.
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  194. WR says:

    Based on the comments at NYT, it seems to me that one of the underlying purposes of this article is to punish Steve Harvey for leaving the plantation. The message of the legacy media is that famous blacks who meet with Donald Trump and take pictures with him are no longer members of one of the PC protected species. Remember that the recent anti-white MTV video chastised Kanye West soon after he met with “the illegitimate President-elect.”

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    Yes, exactly. They are currently trying to blacklist any entertainer willing to participate in the inaugural festivities. For decades the Left whined about the anti-Communist blacklist of the '50s but it turns out that they have nothing against blacklists - they just didn't like ones that were aimed against the Left. Another one of the countless examples of who/whomism by the Left.
    , @guest
    Kanye has been on the outs before. He's a frequent punchline in the bitchy world of celebrity gossip. On the other hand, tey took an awful long time ruining Cosby, who had been repeatedly caught Noticing for decades.

    I'm not saying these things aren't connected, but we can't ascribe simple cause and effect to everything. Especially when it happens as swiftly as hypothetically with Harvey.

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  195. Jefferson says:
    @BB753
    Modern white women don't hate white men because they're white but rather because they're men. It's feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
    Also, it's not really hatred but something more akin to fear and suspicion. They're wary about men. So sad, as Trump would say!

    “Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.”

    If 99.99% of White women are feminists, how did Donald J. Trump manage to pull off winning 53 percent of the White female vote?

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    Women hate other women more than they hate men. Hillary reminded them of their bitchy boomer female bosses and passive-aggressive mother-in-laws.
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  196. @Veracitor
    Curious, isn't it, how Eddie Huang demonstrates his masculinity level by acting out Sailer's Law of Female Journalism!

    As for Chinese women and black men, perhaps some of the time they're acting on the prompting of some very special genes. What quality have Chinese women been bred and trained for thousands of years to seek in a man?

    A civil-service job.

    What special advantage do black men have in today's America (when they're not in jail)?

    A massive hiring preference for civil service jobs.

    Kind of makes you say "hmmm," don't it?

    What special advantage do black men have in today’s America (when they’re not in jail)?

    A massive hiring preference for civil service jobs.

    For the past 30 years, I’ve had several contracting assignments with local, state, and federal agencies – the real beneficiaries of civil service affirmative action has been White females followed by black females. Other than prison guards and bus drivers, black males are (relatively) non-existent.

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    Most black men don't have the sitzfleisch necessary to sit chained to a desk all way.
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  197. Jack D says:
    @El Dato

    You know, the ones who saved their sorry Tribe in WW2.
     
    Slavs and Chinese? What?

    I think he means Joos. If that’s what they did, they did a really crap job of it – by the time the war was over, Europe was pretty much Judenrein. Maybe 90% of the pre-war Jewish population of Poland was dead. Roosevelt literally refused to lift a finger to do anything about the Holocaust. Maybe “the tribe” is doing this to get even for Anglo-Americans NOT saving the Joos. That would make more sense even if it isn’t true either.

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    All sorts of people were being killed by both sides during the war. Why should Roosevelt have cared more about Jews? Remember, the US and British aviations under his command were busy killing millions of civilians during that time, both in Germany and in Japan. The Soviets were no slackers either.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The camps were deep in Germany and Poland. Trying to bomb them would have done little more than lose plane and aircrew who had more important things to do.

    Even if the camps were a priority, what would the strategy be?

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  198. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Watching the Patriots game just now there was a Walmart commercial featuring a family headed by a black woman and an Asian man.

    Just saw a commercial for Pocono Mountain tourism on Phila TV. Poconos have these tacky motels with bathtubs in the shape of champagne glasses. They showed all the type of modern couples who would enjoy a visit – mixed race, 2 women, etc. Unrestrained capitalism is judgment free – it will take anyone’s money and will sell you stuff that kills you if that’s what you want.

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    I haven't seen one of those ads in years, but I remember those champagne glass hot tubs. Guess they gave up on the New York market.
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  199. In the late ’90s, while doing my MBA at the University of Florida, I had a fun fling w/ a very attractive Taiwanese classmate. She had the look of an exotic James Bond girl. She spoke English well and was seeking to make make the most out of her 2-year stay in the US. She was what the writer of this blog would call an “adventuress”! After graduation she married her German Duetsche Bank executive.

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  200. Jefferson says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    "And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger."

    Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them (regardless how the Hapas see themselves). If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.

    “Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them”

    There are billions of Asians on the planet who have zero percent White ancestry, so they don’t need a one drop rule to increase their numbers in the world.

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  201. Ivy says:
    @guest
    I don't understand that mindset. I was going to say unless it's yours, but even then it doesn't make sense. Most people are most attracted to their own kind, but not exclusively.

    Finding one race attractive exclusively is perverse, and there's a pattern to sexual perversion. You'd think an Asian fetish as strong as yours would, like most fetishes, tie into early sexual experiences. But to start at 25? What? That's sounds like the "once you go black" joke.

    I call pretension. "I don't eat processed foods," or "I only listen to jazz music."

    He was trying to say Once you go yellow, you’re a happy fellow?

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  202. Jack D says:
    @rec1man
    Indian men mostly get arranged marriages in the same caste - very few date - Most Indian families would not let their daughters date

    To an Indian family (and not without reason), in the modern world “dating” is a thinly disguised euphemism for “having sex” .

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  203. Jack D says:
    @Whiskey
    I saw the commercial too. It said to me, "Wal Mart is not for White people." That's what I got from it. Suits me. Amazon is cheaper and more convenient anyway.

    Then there is the Pepsi commercial where the "studly Black genius" fixes the printer while the dumb White guys stand around beta-maleish with their mouths open and the White women admire the Black dude; paired with the White kicker.

    As far as Asian men go, they tend to range from George Takei saying "Oh my" to Bruce Lee and Toshiro Mifune. Seeing as how Clint Eastwood borrowed his screen persona pretty much entirely from one Mifune performance (Yojimbo) that's a wide range. No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    I also think the KKKrazy glue is just falling apart, since Hateraide is just so good to drink.

    No one figured ever that Samurai were lacking in testosterone and dominance.

    That was as long as they were fighting other 5’1″ dudes.

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  204. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Funniest line in that study is Table 2, footnote a:

    "Jewish religion perfectly predicts black exclusion"
     

    I wouldn’t say perfect. I know a few superliberal Ann Dunham type Jewish women who had black babies. The father never sticks around – surprise, surprise. They raise the kids as middle class Jewish kids and they do very well. Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again.

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    "Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again."

    Quadroon phenotypes tend to range from European looking to Hispanic looking to North African looking/Middle Eastern looking. It all depends on how genetically Black their grandparent is.

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  205. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t know about this. It may be that some ABC Chinese like black guys, having been brainwashed in American misinformation their whole lives, though one of their parents would have a heart attack and the other would disown them, for having anything to do with a black guy. The FOB Chinese, hell, for that matter, any Chinese who grew up in Asia, don’t really buy into this ‘worship the black man’ nonsense in America- maybe that one you knew from Taiwan was an exception. I’ve known tons of Asians over the years- from my childhood, through college, and in my career (its one that attracts lots of Asians), and the Asian girls who grew up overseas don’t even register black guys on their radar.

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  206. Jack D says:
    @newrouter
    "Asian men are the least masculine of the races "

    The Deer Hunter - One Last Shot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys33TyKu_jk

    If I want to learn what happened in the past, I always watch a Hollywood movie – it’s the best way to learn the God’s honest truth about what really happened.

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  207. @Hapalong Cassidy
    "And surprised their pop culture-cult hero not mentioned here by Steve: Elliot Rodger."

    Full-blooded Asians as a rule do not consider Hapas like Rodger to be one of them (regardless how the Hapas see themselves). If anything, the Rodger incident is a cautionary tale for White men who chase Asian women: by cuckolding Asian men, you may end up with may end up with a cuck son, or worse. Of course, if you end up with a daughter, life is good all around.

    as such it should actually be taught in school. Then again it would be a huge embarrassment.

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  208. Jefferson says:
    @whorefinder
    Filipinos tend to be outliers (in the U.S. at least) when it comes to East Asians and stereotypes. The men tend to be much more aggressive/masculine acting (many surfer-dude/skateboarder types in CA who are Asian will be Filipino) while the women tend to be much more, ahem, "outgoing" when it comes to sexuality---I would venture to say that a healthy plurality, if not a majority, of "Asian" porn stars in the U.S. have Filipino ethnicity . Again, this is just steeotypical.

    One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.

    “One might also say they act more like Samoans than East Asians.”

    If Filipinos behaved like Samoans, Blacks would be scared of Filipinos but they are not.

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  209. BB753 says:
    @Jack D
    I think he means Joos. If that's what they did, they did a really crap job of it - by the time the war was over, Europe was pretty much Judenrein. Maybe 90% of the pre-war Jewish population of Poland was dead. Roosevelt literally refused to lift a finger to do anything about the Holocaust. Maybe "the tribe" is doing this to get even for Anglo-Americans NOT saving the Joos. That would make more sense even if it isn't true either.

    All sorts of people were being killed by both sides during the war. Why should Roosevelt have cared more about Jews? Remember, the US and British aviations under his command were busy killing millions of civilians during that time, both in Germany and in Japan. The Soviets were no slackers either.

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  210. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    I wouldn't say perfect. I know a few superliberal Ann Dunham type Jewish women who had black babies. The father never sticks around - surprise, surprise. They raise the kids as middle class Jewish kids and they do very well. Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again.

    “Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again.”

    Quadroon phenotypes tend to range from European looking to Hispanic looking to North African looking/Middle Eastern looking. It all depends on how genetically Black their grandparent is.

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    Keep in mind that Obama was an exception because his father was 100% black African (and from a particularly dark skinned tribe - practically blue black). Most American blacks are already maybe 30% white so by the time you get to the grandchildren quite a few could "pass" back in the day. Of course nowadays they "self-identify" as black so they can get AA goodies.
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  211. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
     
    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you're finished. I'm a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I've found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it's the exact opposite with Asian women.

    Don’t you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..

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    "Don’t you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc.."

    A lot of Filipina women are thick or straight up obese because Filipino food is extremely unhealthy.
    , @Anonymous
    I think most Asian fetishists are white nerds unable to come to terms with their inability to get white girls. They're rationalizing what, if pressed, they will term "sapiosexuality" (which just means that Asian girls are also nerdy) and the fact that their interest in Asians depends on their increased chances of reciprocation, which in turn depends on their natural competition being weak (Asian guys are rarely more masculine than them).

    Notice how often it comes down to Asian girls being "submissive", i.e. having nonthreatening personalities compared to white girls.

    , @Desiderius

    Western men are raised to be attracted to
     
    As if
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  212. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D

    I recognized from a young age that I couldn’t and began to plan for life on the margins.
     
    I read (part of ) Huang's autobiography (until I got bored - maybe I made it to age 12). Huang sounds like he has ADD - the kind of kid who was always getting in trouble. If he was going to be pushed to the margins, he was the one doing the pushing. He consciously patterned himself after African-American "rap" culture. So it must be doubly insulting to him that a black dude doesn't buy his faux black act.

    “He consciously patterned himself after African-American “rap” culture. So it must be doubly insulting to him that a black dude doesn’t buy his faux black act.”

    I noticed that the Asian Americans who do not have a high enough IQ to become engineers, computer programmers, doctors, or dentists for example, all end up becoming Asian versions of Wiggers like Eddie Huang.

    There are only 2 types of Asian Americans, rotten bananas (Asian Wiggers) and nerds. There is not a lot of diversity in the Asian American community when it comes to different types of personalities.

    The irony is that the Asian American group who are the least likely to be Asian Wiggers are Indian Americans, even though they are the Asian group who are the closest to African Americans in skin color. Asian Wiggerism is a much bigger phenomenon among the lighter skin Chinese Americans.

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    The irony is that the Asian American group who are the least likely to be Asian Wiggers are Indian Americans, even though they are the Asian group who are the closest to African Americans in skin color. Asian Wiggerism is a much bigger phenomenon among the lighter skin Chinese Americans.
     
    It's not ironic at all - it's totally what you would expect. Really dark skinned Indians (such as Tamils from the South) are often darker than American blacks. They don't have negroid features but from a distance they might be mistaken for black people. It's one thing to PLAY at affecting black style when everyone knows you aren't but to be mistaken for an actual black person (and therefore treated with suspicion - blacks aren't wrong when they say that they get watched in stores, etc. - it's completely rational for store personnel to do so) is quite another matter.

    However, Mindy Kaling's brother faked being black in order to get into med school:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/

    but that's quite different.
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  213. @Anonymous

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
     
    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you're finished. I'm a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I've found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it's the exact opposite with Asian women.

    You do have to consider the cultural differences, even if she is an ABA, if you are going to live with that woman for 50 years.

    Asian women are just different …

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  214. @Anonymous

    There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her.
     
    But these things make you rate the woman higher in attractiveness.

    Jefferson is just plain wrong. I think a lot of white guys are like me. Once you catch yellow fever you're finished. I'm a white guy and up till the age of 25 I only dated and was attracted to Nordic/Scandinavian looking women. Almost overnight my tastes changed and I've found only Asian women attractive. And in the 20 years since then I have never found even one non-Asian women attractive. And it's the exact opposite with Asian women.

    I had a similar experience to you, at exactly the same age.

    It was as though someone had flicked a switch. All of a sudden, those geeky, flat-chested, black-haired women became powerfully alluring. Impossible to explain.

    However I’ve mostly got it out of my system now. Prolonged exposure to Asian women and their ways is the best tonic for freeing yourself.

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  215. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, Priss is definitely Anon. Not sure why he stopped posting under his name, but some stylistic mannerisms are unmistakable.

    Anon = Priss = Dominique Francon Society = some other handles I forget. As you say, his mannerisms are unmistakable. I find him interesting and funny. He may be insane though.

    Why would anyone think Jenner Ickham Errican was in that group?

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  216. Jefferson says:
    @BB753
    Don't you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..

    “Don’t you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..”

    A lot of Filipina women are thick or straight up obese because Filipino food is extremely unhealthy.

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  217. @Desiderius
    Roissy said ixnay on the emojis for men.

    He approves of Birthday Cat.

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  218. @Marina
    I'm white and I married an Asian classmate not long before we finished college, and I don't think I'd given any thought to dating an Asian before I did. I knew I wanted someone serious and future minded with a good work ethic who was really, really smart. Most of the guys I met who were really smart and my sort of hippy dippy college weren't in any way motivated or driven or hardworking, even if they were clever. My husband was the first person who met those parameters and showed an interest in me, and I liked him well enough so decided to date him and one thing led to another and now it's been nearly a decade and there are two kids and so on. He just got there first, that's all. A number of the sort of conservative, traditional minded girls I know married or seriously considered East Asian men, possibly because they are more likely to be serious at an early age? Especially if you aren't super religious, the pool of traditional minded people to date can be pretty darned tiny. My husband wasn't going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.

    My husband wasn’t going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.

    It is baffling to a large extent, the point of dating is to seek someone to be with, I would assume. Notably almost all of the women that I’ve been with had a similar attitude and so I think there’s a strong selectional basis for more functional relationships. So while I think that sure, East Asian men don’t work well with a lot of white women, it does seem like there’s definitely a percentile where it is both functional and they find common ground in.

    But I’m sure there are women who greatly are fond of men who talk about their malehoods and sexual exploits, and I know that I would never be able to draw them, but I’m also sure that I don’t want to deal with that. That’ll take too much open-mindnessness for me!

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  219. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    Don't you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..

    I think most Asian fetishists are white nerds unable to come to terms with their inability to get white girls. They’re rationalizing what, if pressed, they will term “sapiosexuality” (which just means that Asian girls are also nerdy) and the fact that their interest in Asians depends on their increased chances of reciprocation, which in turn depends on their natural competition being weak (Asian guys are rarely more masculine than them).

    Notice how often it comes down to Asian girls being “submissive”, i.e. having nonthreatening personalities compared to white girls.

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    I head that term, or something like it, recently. It occurred to me that it can't possibly be a real thing. You can be attracted to intelligence, but the idea that anyone is most attracted to intelligence? No. Unless you're a weirdo, like that character from the Val Kilmer movie Real Genius who made it her goal to sleep with the top ten or whatever smartest people in the world. (She mostly succeeded, though I think the 15 year-old turned her down.)

    "Sapiosexuals" are posers. Anyone who genuinely believes in it is an idiot, and therefore no sapiosexual person could be attracted to them.
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  220. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Marina
    I'm white and I married an Asian classmate not long before we finished college, and I don't think I'd given any thought to dating an Asian before I did. I knew I wanted someone serious and future minded with a good work ethic who was really, really smart. Most of the guys I met who were really smart and my sort of hippy dippy college weren't in any way motivated or driven or hardworking, even if they were clever. My husband was the first person who met those parameters and showed an interest in me, and I liked him well enough so decided to date him and one thing led to another and now it's been nearly a decade and there are two kids and so on. He just got there first, that's all. A number of the sort of conservative, traditional minded girls I know married or seriously considered East Asian men, possibly because they are more likely to be serious at an early age? Especially if you aren't super religious, the pool of traditional minded people to date can be pretty darned tiny. My husband wasn't going to date for anything but finding a marriage partner, and is still kind of baffled people act otherwise.

    I think you are a prototype of how more and more smart women will behave; have all the fun you want, but when it comes to settling down to producing children, a would be father with steady and good paycheck is always the best investment. Any other choice will lead to by now familiar path of marital conflicts, opioids, meth, alcohol, violence and divorce.

    AMWF hit it on the head with some good examples.

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    In my case there really wasn't any "fun" of the typical young person kind. Met my husband when I was 19 and I was a bit of a nerd. There's something to be said for the kind of pair bonding that happens when you meet young and have one relationship. My parents are very fond of each other and still happily married, but they met at 25 and 37 and they both had past relationships and they don't have that young love besotted thing that couples who met by their early twenties seem to.

    But at least for the moment, things seem to be working out well for my husband and one hopes the white nationalist faction of the alt right never ends up getting enough power to change that. Cut kids, hopes for a whole bunch more, stable, hardworking devoted husband and father. Very, very stable, albeit not ~*exciting*~ I'm lucky.
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  221. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Asian men are the least masculine of the races while Asian women are the most feminine.

    Some people think Asian women are the least feminine, pointing to breast size, hips, and, ahem, ass. I've heard it said in fact that a fetish for Asian women is a sign of or gateway to homosexuality.

    I say this without meaning personally to disparage Asian women. Many are quite lovely, physically and in personality.

    I have never been able to understand the supposed femininity of Asians as referring to anything other than their personalities. The trade-off is that they come wrapped in the bodies of boys. To be otherwise would violate some equilibrium in Nature, or something like that.

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  222. BB753 says:
    @Jefferson
    "Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists."

    If 99.99% of White women are feminists, how did Donald J. Trump manage to pull off winning 53 percent of the White female vote?

    Women hate other women more than they hate men. Hillary reminded them of their bitchy boomer female bosses and passive-aggressive mother-in-laws.

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  223. Jack D says:
    @Jefferson
    "Usually their kids marry white so they have quadroon grandchildren who look (almost) white again."

    Quadroon phenotypes tend to range from European looking to Hispanic looking to North African looking/Middle Eastern looking. It all depends on how genetically Black their grandparent is.

    Keep in mind that Obama was an exception because his father was 100% black African (and from a particularly dark skinned tribe – practically blue black). Most American blacks are already maybe 30% white so by the time you get to the grandchildren quite a few could “pass” back in the day. Of course nowadays they “self-identify” as black so they can get AA goodies.

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  224. Jack D says:
    @Jefferson
    "He consciously patterned himself after African-American “rap” culture. So it must be doubly insulting to him that a black dude doesn’t buy his faux black act."

    I noticed that the Asian Americans who do not have a high enough IQ to become engineers, computer programmers, doctors, or dentists for example, all end up becoming Asian versions of Wiggers like Eddie Huang.


    There are only 2 types of Asian Americans, rotten bananas (Asian Wiggers) and nerds. There is not a lot of diversity in the Asian American community when it comes to different types of personalities.

    The irony is that the Asian American group who are the least likely to be Asian Wiggers are Indian Americans, even though they are the Asian group who are the closest to African Americans in skin color. Asian Wiggerism is a much bigger phenomenon among the lighter skin Chinese Americans.

    The irony is that the Asian American group who are the least likely to be Asian Wiggers are Indian Americans, even though they are the Asian group who are the closest to African Americans in skin color. Asian Wiggerism is a much bigger phenomenon among the lighter skin Chinese Americans.

    It’s not ironic at all – it’s totally what you would expect. Really dark skinned Indians (such as Tamils from the South) are often darker than American blacks. They don’t have negroid features but from a distance they might be mistaken for black people. It’s one thing to PLAY at affecting black style when everyone knows you aren’t but to be mistaken for an actual black person (and therefore treated with suspicion – blacks aren’t wrong when they say that they get watched in stores, etc. – it’s completely rational for store personnel to do so) is quite another matter.

    However, Mindy Kaling’s brother faked being black in order to get into med school:

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brother-affirmative-action/

    but that’s quite different.

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  225. Jack D says:
    @E. Rekshun
    What special advantage do black men have in today’s America (when they’re not in jail)?

    A massive hiring preference for civil service jobs.


    For the past 30 years, I've had several contracting assignments with local, state, and federal agencies - the real beneficiaries of civil service affirmative action has been White females followed by black females. Other than prison guards and bus drivers, black males are (relatively) non-existent.

    Most black men don’t have the sitzfleisch necessary to sit chained to a desk all way.

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  226. @BB753
    Modern white women don't hate white men because they're white but rather because they're men. It's feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
    Also, it's not really hatred but something more akin to fear and suspicion. They're wary about men. So sad, as Trump would say!

    Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.

    Divide it by 10 — 9.99% of women under 70 are feminists.

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    You, sir, are an optimist! If only..
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  227. Jack D says:
    @WR
    Based on the comments at NYT, it seems to me that one of the underlying purposes of this article is to punish Steve Harvey for leaving the plantation. The message of the legacy media is that famous blacks who meet with Donald Trump and take pictures with him are no longer members of one of the PC protected species. Remember that the recent anti-white MTV video chastised Kanye West soon after he met with "the illegitimate President-elect."

    Yes, exactly. They are currently trying to blacklist any entertainer willing to participate in the inaugural festivities. For decades the Left whined about the anti-Communist blacklist of the ’50s but it turns out that they have nothing against blacklists – they just didn’t like ones that were aimed against the Left. Another one of the countless examples of who/whomism by the Left.

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    Andrea Bocelli withdrew because of death threats; that's a bit more than a blacklist.
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  228. @Truth

    Compare Tom Brady, who gets supermodel Giselle, to Steve McNair, former NFL MVP and Super Bowl QB, who ended up with insane Dave&Busters waitress who killed him in his sleep.
     
    Dude, give me Steve's girlfriend...and death...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c_PPpIslY

    You should’ve linked to the Tom/Giselle/Illuminati tranny video just below

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    A difference without a distinction, Sir.

    You see the bottom line is this:

    Giselle is a dude
    Tom is a fag (this is the least strange option of the story)
    You are a mark

    Only one of those three is mutable, and that's up to you.

    Now, do not be ashamed, almost all of the "world's most beautiful" fashion (in my humble estimation, over %90) models are what used to be called "castrati"; girls who used to be boys and were castrated before puberty.

    We live in a very strange world, much stranger though, if you live with your eyes closed.
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  229. Marina says:
    @anon
    I think you are a prototype of how more and more smart women will behave; have all the fun you want, but when it comes to settling down to producing children, a would be father with steady and good paycheck is always the best investment. Any other choice will lead to by now familiar path of marital conflicts, opioids, meth, alcohol, violence and divorce.

    AMWF hit it on the head with some good examples.

    In my case there really wasn’t any “fun” of the typical young person kind. Met my husband when I was 19 and I was a bit of a nerd. There’s something to be said for the kind of pair bonding that happens when you meet young and have one relationship. My parents are very fond of each other and still happily married, but they met at 25 and 37 and they both had past relationships and they don’t have that young love besotted thing that couples who met by their early twenties seem to.

    But at least for the moment, things seem to be working out well for my husband and one hopes the white nationalist faction of the alt right never ends up getting enough power to change that. Cut kids, hopes for a whole bunch more, stable, hardworking devoted husband and father. Very, very stable, albeit not ~*exciting*~ I’m lucky.

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  230. Eagle Eye says:
    @smb

    the structural emasculation of Asian men
     
    Wait a second, I thought we were suffering from too much "toxic masculinity?" Shouldn't emasculation be a good thing?

    Also, "emasculation" sounds like the kind of gendered complaint that might make theys uncomfortable.

    “Eddie” may be a gifted restaurateur and some time writer.

    It is less clear that he is personally affected by the dating preferences of WOMEN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Huang

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    Nevertheless, The New York Times referred to Huang as "a walking mixtape of postmodern cultural appropriation."
     
    The Coalition of the Fringes is tearing at each other, but they can at least agree to blame whitey for everything. Its hilarious, almost adorable in its stupidity.

    I remember that when I was a teacher for awhile, that a lot of the Vietnamese students did indeed were huge fans of rap and sought to ape black culture. I always found that very strange, but perhaps I did my own form of "cultural appropriation"; being descended from aristocracy, having been fond of genteel values early in life and perhaps obsessing a bit over General Robert E. Lee and others, I ended being very fond the notion of being the ideal scholar-soldier.

    So perhaps it all comes down to what one chooses to copy and hybridize into one's self-culture.
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  231. BB753 says:
    @ben tillman

    Modern white women don’t hate white men because they’re white but rather because they’re men. It’s feminism. Pretty much 99.99% of women under age 70 are feminists.
     
    Divide it by 10 -- 9.99% of women under 70 are feminists.

    You, sir, are an optimist! If only..

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  232. @Eagle Eye
    "Eddie" may be a gifted restaurateur and some time writer.

    It is less clear that he is personally affected by the dating preferences of WOMEN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Huang

    Nevertheless, The New York Times referred to Huang as “a walking mixtape of postmodern cultural appropriation.”

    The Coalition of the Fringes is tearing at each other, but they can at least agree to blame whitey for everything. Its hilarious, almost adorable in its stupidity.

    I remember that when I was a teacher for awhile, that a lot of the Vietnamese students did indeed were huge fans of rap and sought to ape black culture. I always found that very strange, but perhaps I did my own form of “cultural appropriation”; being descended from aristocracy, having been fond of genteel values early in life and perhaps obsessing a bit over General Robert E. Lee and others, I ended being very fond the notion of being the ideal scholar-soldier.

    So perhaps it all comes down to what one chooses to copy and hybridize into one’s self-culture.

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  233. @Jack D
    Yes, exactly. They are currently trying to blacklist any entertainer willing to participate in the inaugural festivities. For decades the Left whined about the anti-Communist blacklist of the '50s but it turns out that they have nothing against blacklists - they just didn't like ones that were aimed against the Left. Another one of the countless examples of who/whomism by the Left.

    Andrea Bocelli withdrew because of death threats; that’s a bit more than a blacklist.

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    He was blinded by the fright / forsook the new Duce / another runner from the Right.

    Seriously, though, it would suck to be blind, famous, and have Trump-deranged people out there hating you. I assume Bocelli depends on all kinds of ‘help’ to get him through his busy days. Wouldn’t want some angry random peon recognizing him and messing with the food or whatnot.
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  234. As my therapist would say, I have a lot of “feeling” about his sentiments.

    Now THERE’S the Platonic ideal of the NYT “one-sentence paragraph.”

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  235. @JohnnyWalker123

    The other problem is our culture glorifies black masculinity and hypes up black male/non-black female sexual parings—in order to encourage it in the females.
     
    The glorification of black male masculinity seems to primarily appeal to men, not so much women. Young men (of all races) drool over rappers and (usually black) pro athletes, while young women drool over Justin Bieber. Back in the 90s, girls were drooling over Justin Timberlake. In the 80s, they were drooling over George Michael. As I said above, masculine black males have lots more male groupies than female groupies.

    Interestingly, when you do see women go crazy for pro-athletes, it's usually white athletes. Like Tom Brady. Black athletes usually just aren't that sexually appealing to most non-black women. Though the really famous guys (such as MJ) do very well, of course.

    The exception to the above is black women. Lots of them love black athlete/rapper types.

    I recall reading about NBA groupies in a magazine a few years ago. Nearly 100% of the girls (with a few exceptions) were black.

    Non-black men need to realize that women, by and large, admire the men that men admire, seeking the male leaders. So if men aren’t following, say, NFL or NBA, women will not think NFL or NBA players to be desirable.
     
    That's the entire idea behind social proof. People want something because others want it.

    Few things say “I’m a cuck” as much as a White man who’s an NBA or NFL fan.

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  236. jack ryan says: • Website

    I always felt East Asian men, Han Chinese men should play up the fact that Singapore is the most bad ass, strongest anti Crime, anti drugs place in the world.

    When was the last time some tough Texan Cowboys ever hanged really anyone, let alone some Mexican cartel drug person?

    Asian men can have the facts when they say:

    “Texans including the Bush family are pussies, sissies – I’d like to see any of these Black, Mexican gangs try their SH** in Singapore.”

    Singapore also is great to publicly shame teen age punks, including the spoiled sons of wealthy American White corporate leaders in Singapore.

    I remember that lad that was stripped to his underwear and was beaten in his arse by Chinese martial arts experts with a bamboo cane!

    I bet those Han Chinese martial arts experts that beat White American graphite vandals with canes, I bet they get laid.

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  237. @Jim Don Bob
    Andrea Bocelli withdrew because of death threats; that's a bit more than a blacklist.

    He was blinded by the fright / forsook the new Duce / another runner from the Right.

    Seriously, though, it would suck to be blind, famous, and have Trump-deranged people out there hating you. I assume Bocelli depends on all kinds of ‘help’ to get him through his busy days. Wouldn’t want some angry random peon recognizing him and messing with the food or whatnot.

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  239. @Jefferson
    "Actual goodwhites don’t drink Coke of course.

    Michael Moore drinks plenty of Coke and he is a good White. How do you think he got that Jabba The Hutt body of his.

    Well I’m sure his heart is in the right place but let’s not get carried away here – our sort of people take care of themselves better than that.

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  240. SFG says:
    @Way Past Cool

    Harvey was part of Spike Lee’s Kings of Comedy movie and, of the four black male comedians it celebrated, was the one who came across as the most respectable and genial of the four—he’s basically an old-school, 1960′s “edgy” black comedian, who makes jokes about race but is articulate, intelligent, and polite and never gets into the Bernie Mac/Chris Rock realm of ranting
     
    You don't mean "never"; you mean "no longer."

    He certainly started out screaming about how much he hates the white man. There are tapes of him onstage 20 years ago, when he was just starting out in Dallas, ranting about how profoundly he hates Whitey. He urged audience members to spit on white people and beat up old white women.

    And Harvey doesn't deny that these tapes exist; he's simply suing the guy who has them for extortion.

    Steve Harvey has been busted in a shocking racist scandal that could destroy his carefully crafted nice guy image! RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that he’s been slammed with a bombshell lawsuit that claims he was caught on tape spewing hateful diatribes against white people.

    A two-month investigation uncovered a former employee of Harvey’s who claims he has recordings of the ‘Family Feud’ host going on insane rants.

    “I don’t give a s–t about America!” Harvey bellowed on one tape, the owner of the recording, Joseph Cooper, told Radar.

    On others, Cooper said Harvey urged fans to “spit on white people!” and “go assault old white women!”. But in a legal twist, Harvey filed a lawsuit against Cooper, accusing the Dallas man of using the recordings to “extort” him for a whopping $5 million.
     
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2016/11/steve-harvey-racist-tapes-extortion-lawsuit-family-feud-host-hate-claims-whites/

    I’m being too generous, but it’s entirely possible he mellowed out with age.

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  241. @Opinionator
    A larger dong leads to greater problems with impotency.

    Speak for yourself.

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  242. SFG says:
    @Opinionator
    all forms of media became a self-fulfilling prophecy that produced an actual abhorrence to Asian men in the real world.

    Actually, this is a widely observable phenomenon with respect to White men. It is rare to encounter White women who do not abhor White men. It is surmountable on a targeted individual basis but even then the attitude lingers.

    You know a guy named Whiskey?

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  243. @BB753
    Don't you miss big boobs and round asses? I also find Asian women attractive, in a sultry, sensual way, but most of them lack the kind of female figures Western men are raised to be attracted to. The hourglass bodies; the leggy kind of white women; variety in eye and hair pigmentation, etc..

    Western men are raised to be attracted to

    As if

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  244. @Laugh Track
    I tried three times to post this last night, with no luck. Not sure what was up with Unz...

    Re post by Ivy:

    There are so many common themes in ads around the world that some type of coordination is likely.
     
    I've thought the same thing for some time now. Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It's like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK's Dream really did come true.

    My theory is that there is some coordinating body of ad agency honchos (and honchas) who settle on these themes in the interest of trying to social engineer a harmonious multicultural society. The United Colors of Benetton was just the beginning of the ongoing campaign. Perhaps it is done in coordination with UNESCO or some EU technocratic dept.

    Hey, my wife got a plea for funds in the mail today from the UNHCR featuring a large poster of a photo of a "refugee boat" crammed with several hundred people viewed from above (like from a helicopter overhead) all smiling and waving at the camera. Get this: the boat is apparently speeding along, throwing up frothy waves in its wake, with no visible pilot(s), engine, or other means of propulsion. The headline is "The only thing stronger than fear is hope." The photo is credited to (c) The Italian Coastguard/Massimo Sestini.

    Image here: http://www.massimosestini.it/wru.html

    Call me hyper-suspicious, but what are the chances that the whole photo is crisply in focus, no one is moving their head creating a blur, all are smiling, no one is giving a finger to the helicopter, etc.? Moreover, at the website above, this is said to be a picture 20 miles off the Libyan coast, plenty of time for the Italian Coastguard to get the boat to turn around and propel itself right back to Libya. Nope! Hope is stronger than fear!

    I also find it curious that nowhere in any of the accompanying material in the mailer is there a spelling out that UNHCR is the acronym for United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. I suppose that there being a "High Commissioner" overseeing all this (and fundraising for it) might be just a little off-putting.

    Strange times we live in...

    Laugh Track said in part, “Who has created the consensus leading to so many ads on TV having mixed race couples, diverse groups, upper middle class black families living in MacMansions snappier than anyone I know lives in (of any race), and on and on. It’s like an alternate or parallel reality: the one where MLK’s Dream really did come true.”

    Ad agencies are populated by single white women and poofters. I had an airplane conversation recently with a woman who worked at an agency and she confirmed this. And of course many corporations are desparate to show their PC bonafides, so it is easy to persuade them to participate in this dreck. See bathrooms, Target.

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  245. @Jack D
    I think he means Joos. If that's what they did, they did a really crap job of it - by the time the war was over, Europe was pretty much Judenrein. Maybe 90% of the pre-war Jewish population of Poland was dead. Roosevelt literally refused to lift a finger to do anything about the Holocaust. Maybe "the tribe" is doing this to get even for Anglo-Americans NOT saving the Joos. That would make more sense even if it isn't true either.

    The camps were deep in Germany and Poland. Trying to bomb them would have done little more than lose plane and aircrew who had more important things to do.

    Even if the camps were a priority, what would the strategy be?

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    There was a short window late in the war ('44) where the Allies had the ability to fly over Poland because of the advances in Italy and the Nazis were busy running the entire Jewish population of Hungary thru the gas chambers of Auschwitz right at that time. The Allies actually flew over the camp on their way to bombing the nearby Buna Monowitz synthetic rubber factory which was staff by Jewish slave labor (aka Auschwitz III).

    Auschwitz II (Birkenau) was a factory for converting humans to ashes and bombing could have disrupted it the same as any other factory - you bomb the rail line, you bomb the industrial facilities (crematoria), etc.

    http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/through-the-lens/auschwitz-aerial-photos.asp

    But by the summer of '44, most of the Jews of Poland were already dead. I largely agree with you that there wasn't much that could be done but the OP suggested that Anglo-Americans had saved the "sorry tribe" which therefore isn't true.

    When I visited Auschwitz I noticed that there were little culverts dug beneath the infamous guard towers. I wasn't thinking very clearly that day so I asked the guide what they were and she said they were bomb shelters for the guards (duh). So the Germans considered that the place might be bombed, though it never was.
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  246. Prediction: 15 years from now(and maybe even sooner) there will be more new marriages with a Asian Husband and White Wife than there will be new marriages with a Black Husband and White Wife.

    1. Just going by 2010 statistics, Asian Men do better as a percentage of their population than do African American Men when it comes to actually getting married to White Women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Census_Bureau_statistics
    2. The Asian population is growing rapidly(just google: Asian fastest growing)
    3. Asians have been rather culturally marginal, but once they enter a population of 30 or so million they’ll become more culturally visible.
    4. Asians are better prepared for the changing job landscape which means more money.
    5. Asian will get more culturally compatible… raise their sons(or improve themselves) better… lose weird accents… etc

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  247. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    The camps were deep in Germany and Poland. Trying to bomb them would have done little more than lose plane and aircrew who had more important things to do.

    Even if the camps were a priority, what would the strategy be?

    There was a short window late in the war (’44) where the Allies had the ability to fly over Poland because of the advances in Italy and the Nazis were busy running the entire Jewish population of Hungary thru the gas chambers of Auschwitz right at that time. The Allies actually flew over the camp on their way to bombing the nearby Buna Monowitz synthetic rubber factory which was staff by Jewish slave labor (aka Auschwitz III).

    Auschwitz II (Birkenau) was a factory for converting humans to ashes and bombing could have disrupted it the same as any other factory – you bomb the rail line, you bomb the industrial facilities (crematoria), etc.

    http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/through-the-lens/auschwitz-aerial-photos.asp

    But by the summer of ’44, most of the Jews of Poland were already dead. I largely agree with you that there wasn’t much that could be done but the OP suggested that Anglo-Americans had saved the “sorry tribe” which therefore isn’t true.

    When I visited Auschwitz I noticed that there were little culverts dug beneath the infamous guard towers. I wasn’t thinking very clearly that day so I asked the guide what they were and she said they were bomb shelters for the guards (duh). So the Germans considered that the place might be bombed, though it never was.

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  248. guest says:
    @WR
    Based on the comments at NYT, it seems to me that one of the underlying purposes of this article is to punish Steve Harvey for leaving the plantation. The message of the legacy media is that famous blacks who meet with Donald Trump and take pictures with him are no longer members of one of the PC protected species. Remember that the recent anti-white MTV video chastised Kanye West soon after he met with "the illegitimate President-elect."

    Kanye has been on the outs before. He’s a frequent punchline in the bitchy world of celebrity gossip. On the other hand, tey took an awful long time ruining Cosby, who had been repeatedly caught Noticing for decades.

    I’m not saying these things aren’t connected, but we can’t ascribe simple cause and effect to everything. Especially when it happens as swiftly as hypothetically with Harvey.

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  249. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    I think most Asian fetishists are white nerds unable to come to terms with their inability to get white girls. They're rationalizing what, if pressed, they will term "sapiosexuality" (which just means that Asian girls are also nerdy) and the fact that their interest in Asians depends on their increased chances of reciprocation, which in turn depends on their natural competition being weak (Asian guys are rarely more masculine than them).

    Notice how often it comes down to Asian girls being "submissive", i.e. having nonthreatening personalities compared to white girls.

    I head that term, or something like it, recently. It occurred to me that it can’t possibly be a real thing. You can be attracted to intelligence, but the idea that anyone is most attracted to intelligence? No. Unless you’re a weirdo, like that character from the Val Kilmer movie Real Genius who made it her goal to sleep with the top ten or whatever smartest people in the world. (She mostly succeeded, though I think the 15 year-old turned her down.)

    “Sapiosexuals” are posers. Anyone who genuinely believes in it is an idiot, and therefore no sapiosexual person could be attracted to them.

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  250. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I think this whole conversation may become obsolete someday. Technology is producing some amazing things:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2605288/westworld-humans-robots-coming-rise-sex-machine/

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    That has to be banned. It is an utter corruption of humanity and technology.

    It debases everything.

    Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye.

    That movie with a voicebot HER was sickening enough. A world where people have 'sex' with plastic-rubber 'humans' will be an utterly demented one.

    Look how sicko Japan is turning with all their fetish for artifice.
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  251. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    I think this whole conversation may become obsolete someday. Technology is producing some amazing things:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2605288/westworld-humans-robots-coming-rise-sex-machine/

    That has to be banned. It is an utter corruption of humanity and technology.

    It debases everything.

    Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye.

    That movie with a voicebot HER was sickening enough. A world where people have ‘sex’ with plastic-rubber ‘humans’ will be an utterly demented one.

    Look how sicko Japan is turning with all their fetish for artifice.

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    "Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye."

    The goal in the future is to make Robots look as Human as possible.
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  252. Kylie says:
    @Jack D
    Non-Asian men prefer Asian women because they think they are feminine. Asian men know the truth about Asian women because their mama is one - they are ball busters. Underneath the Hello Kitty gloves is an iron fist.

    “Underneath the Hello Kitty gloves is an iron fist.”

    Lol!

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  253. Slightly on-topic: Green Bay QB Aaron Rodgers’ girlfriend is half-Asian actress Olivia Munn.

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  254. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D
    Just saw a commercial for Pocono Mountain tourism on Phila TV. Poconos have these tacky motels with bathtubs in the shape of champagne glasses. They showed all the type of modern couples who would enjoy a visit - mixed race, 2 women, etc. Unrestrained capitalism is judgment free - it will take anyone's money and will sell you stuff that kills you if that's what you want.

    I haven’t seen one of those ads in years, but I remember those champagne glass hot tubs. Guess they gave up on the New York market.

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  255. Truth says:
    @Eric Ruttencutter
    You should've linked to the Tom/Giselle/Illuminati tranny video just below

    A difference without a distinction, Sir.

    You see the bottom line is this:

    Giselle is a dude
    Tom is a fag (this is the least strange option of the story)
    You are a mark

    Only one of those three is mutable, and that’s up to you.

    Now, do not be ashamed, almost all of the “world’s most beautiful” fashion (in my humble estimation, over %90) models are what used to be called “castrati”; girls who used to be boys and were castrated before puberty.

    We live in a very strange world, much stranger though, if you live with your eyes closed.

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  256. Marcus says:

    There aren’t many White-Asian couplings where I live, but one of the few I’ve seen is this tall, blue eyed girl with some kind of Indo-Chinese manlet, quite puzzling and a huge waste.

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  257. MarcB says:

    Eddie Huang is a sloppy, chubby aigger with horrible diction, and isn’t even representative of a typical industrious and dignified Taiwanese man. So outside of hipsterville, he has even less chance of attracting a non-asian woman than a typical Asian American male, and it’s got to be a real uphill climb to pull the black chicks he claims to prefer. Methinks Harvey struck a nerve with Mr. Huang…

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  258. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    That has to be banned. It is an utter corruption of humanity and technology.

    It debases everything.

    Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye.

    That movie with a voicebot HER was sickening enough. A world where people have 'sex' with plastic-rubber 'humans' will be an utterly demented one.

    Look how sicko Japan is turning with all their fetish for artifice.

    “Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye.”

    The goal in the future is to make Robots look as Human as possible.

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    Make robots look human. Make robots act human. Make robots think human. Make robots get married. Make robots reproduce. Wackier and wackier.

    Robot kids. Robot parents. Robot friends. Robot lovers.

    I can understand robots taking over certain skills, like making stuff, fixing stuff, and etc. I hear there are gonna be robot doctors. Though I prefer human doctors, even this is understandable. It's just skill-related.

    But when robots move into social realm, sexual realm, and even become members of 'family', then it's wacky.

    Maybe they'll even demand cyber-diversity. So, there will have to be negrobots, homobots, Guillermobots, etc.

    They also talk of Artificial Intelligence which can be manifest in robot form or computer form. But how will they program AI with PC? If something like HAL Computer is totally logical, then how will it get around all the contradictions in PC logic? That'd be interesting.
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  259. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    Do those nice and dorky Asians bring nice paychecks reliably? That matters a lot in serious (as in children producing) marriages. God-fearing Midwesterners and East coast Catholics have seen what lack of nice paychecks does to marriages (Opioids, Meth, alcohol, etc.,). So, nice and dorky sounds good if you plan on having kids. Also, nice and dorky Asians tend to cheat less and lead to divorces; that is a good thing too if the ladies want to reproduce.

    I can’t tell if you took me to be saying that there’s anything wrong with dorky nice Asian men. There isn’t. Besides, most men at the aforementioned school were dorky. That’s partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don’t get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5’5” Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do…

    Anyway, to answer your possibly rhetorical question, yes, in theory both halves of those couples bring in nice paychecks – again, these are classmates from a top school – but I get the sense that the ladies will eventually drop out of the labor force.

    What’s most fascinating to me is that these are some of the prettiest, sweetest women you’ll find in this kind of environment, and future high status white guys just totally ignore them. Since they have no interest in marrying early and these girls aren’t part of the casual sex scene, they might as well not exist.

    White guys are really missing out on a good thing, and the Asians are smart enough to capitalize on their mistakes.

    Oh, and to preempt PUA crap about how these guys will probably make up for it in the long run: they probably won’t. Whenever I’ve seen them marry, it’s to less attractive career chicks who will have one child at most. Sad!

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    "That’s partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don’t get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5’5” Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do…"

    Jewish guys are White and Asian men aren't, that's why the former get way more White chicks than the latter do.

    Jewish men can give Shiksas White phenotype off springs like Gwyneth Paltrow, while Asian men can not. No half Asian person can pass for White/Whitish. The ones who can pass are all a quarter Asian or less.

    , @Anonymous
    Agree. I've noticed this actually almost as a trend, repeated 5x in my experience so far. What's odd is that some of it supports Whiskey's assertions. The couples combinations typically are of the following..

    The guy is...
    1) Suitably Westernized, but typically traditional enough in many characteristics.
    2) "Anti-SJW" or basically holds right-wing perspectives
    3)Usually older by at least five years with a career.
    4) Usually a geek in some way.
    5) Relatively tall for an Asian, usually around 5'10 or so.


    The girl is..
    1)So far, almost always Southern.
    2)Basically traditional, with a strong interest in being married. Most didn't understand the notion of dating as anything but a waste of time.
    3) Very young. Late teens or early twenties.
    4) Working part-time or not at all. Unambitious in about career.
    5) Interested in "geek" hobbies.
    6) Unusually short. One was only 4'10". The tallest was 5'5".

    There is some hint that this has something to do with media consumed; all of those girls watch anime and take some sort of attitude or trait from "kawaii" female characters. Even when its very indirect, its noticeable - the preference to being "cute" instead of "sexy", the idea of being "adorably klutzy", or "childishly adorable."

    They all heavily wanted to be supported and "protected."

    None of these are traits venerated in Western media. They take it from Japanese media, and then gravitate toward men who, I assume, find those traits attractive.

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  260. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    "Imagine if having a sexbot becomes a social norm. You can kiss anything resembling humaneness goodbye."

    The goal in the future is to make Robots look as Human as possible.

    Make robots look human. Make robots act human. Make robots think human. Make robots get married. Make robots reproduce. Wackier and wackier.

    Robot kids. Robot parents. Robot friends. Robot lovers.

    I can understand robots taking over certain skills, like making stuff, fixing stuff, and etc. I hear there are gonna be robot doctors. Though I prefer human doctors, even this is understandable. It’s just skill-related.

    But when robots move into social realm, sexual realm, and even become members of ‘family’, then it’s wacky.

    Maybe they’ll even demand cyber-diversity. So, there will have to be negrobots, homobots, Guillermobots, etc.

    They also talk of Artificial Intelligence which can be manifest in robot form or computer form. But how will they program AI with PC? If something like HAL Computer is totally logical, then how will it get around all the contradictions in PC logic? That’d be interesting.

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  261. @SPMoore8
    The navel-gazing (or maybe he's gazing a little lower) of this article is just another example of how self-absorbed, and thus worthless, so much writing is nowadays.

    Asian men marry white women all the time. And there's no problem.

    What this article really points to is a sort of basic hostility between Asians and Africans. And, from what I have seen, that really does exist.

    How much do you want to bet that the original draft of this article included the Asian-Black hostility angle, but the Times’s editor had it removed?

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  262. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    I can't tell if you took me to be saying that there's anything wrong with dorky nice Asian men. There isn't. Besides, most men at the aforementioned school were dorky. That's partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don't get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5'5'' Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do...

    Anyway, to answer your possibly rhetorical question, yes, in theory both halves of those couples bring in nice paychecks - again, these are classmates from a top school - but I get the sense that the ladies will eventually drop out of the labor force.

    What's most fascinating to me is that these are some of the prettiest, sweetest women you'll find in this kind of environment, and future high status white guys just totally ignore them. Since they have no interest in marrying early and these girls aren't part of the casual sex scene, they might as well not exist.

    White guys are really missing out on a good thing, and the Asians are smart enough to capitalize on their mistakes.

    Oh, and to preempt PUA crap about how these guys will probably make up for it in the long run: they probably won't. Whenever I've seen them marry, it's to less attractive career chicks who will have one child at most. Sad!

    “That’s partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don’t get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5’5” Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do…”

    Jewish guys are White and Asian men aren’t, that’s why the former get way more White chicks than the latter do.

    Jewish men can give Shiksas White phenotype off springs like Gwyneth Paltrow, while Asian men can not. No half Asian person can pass for White/Whitish. The ones who can pass are all a quarter Asian or less.

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    Scrawny 5'5 Jewish guys do no better than scrawny 5'5 Asian guys, except maybe with Jewish women.
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  263. Escher says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    That's true, but (as you pointed out) they were celebrating diversity on a global scale. It's more remarkable to celebrate that IN AMERICA. The 2014 Coke ad made it seem like most Americans were immigrants and that Burqa clad women are just as American as the rest of us.

    I saw the 1971 ad's message as suggesting that we should all get along and build a harmonious global community. The 2014 ad's message is that America is now the United Nations and we should celebrate that.

    The 1971 ad is an embodiment of the old left, while the 2014 ad is an embodiment of the modern day left and cuckservative right.

    Back in the 70s, the left saw non-white peoples as heroic for shaking off Western colonialists and embracing socialism/communism. The left also admired (what they perceived as) third-world down-to-earth simplicity and wanted to move away from rapacious Western capitalism. At the time, lots of leftists saw American militarism (especially in Vietnam and southeast Asia) as especially harmful. This ad is the type of thing a 60s/70s hippie might embrace.

    Today's left is pretty comfortable with capitalism and big corporations (such as Apple, Facebook, etc). "Selling out to the man" is no longer shameful. They also seldomly talk about Western imperialism or militarism anymore. So the 70s ad is out of date.

    After all, Facebook and Apple are essential tools for them to broadcast their SWPLness.

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  264. Marty T says:
    @Jefferson
    "That’s partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don’t get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5’5” Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do…"

    Jewish guys are White and Asian men aren't, that's why the former get way more White chicks than the latter do.

    Jewish men can give Shiksas White phenotype off springs like Gwyneth Paltrow, while Asian men can not. No half Asian person can pass for White/Whitish. The ones who can pass are all a quarter Asian or less.

    Scrawny 5’5 Jewish guys do no better than scrawny 5’5 Asian guys, except maybe with Jewish women.

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  265. SPMoore8 says:
    @Jefferson
    "There’s a big difference between finding a woman attractive and wanting to have children with her."

    Not really. I have never heard of a White guy say he is physically attracted to Asian women but he doesn't want to breed with them because he wants to have White looking children.

    White guys who are not open to breeding with Asian women are White guys who were never physically attracted to Asian women to begin with.

    Most White guys do not even put Asian women above South American women in the looks department, let alone above European women.

    On Roosh V for example Argentinian, Colombian, and Brazilian women are way more liked than Asian women and Roosh V is a White maletopia discussion board.

    Of course there’s a big difference. Any man who has children with a woman, just because he finds her sexually attractive, is a fool. 90% of the time when men evaluate women — in social situations, or on blogs — they do it strictly based on her physical appearance, nothing else enters the picture.

    But if a man is in any serious about his progeny he would avoid women who were fat, or short, or small, or unintelligent. Nevertheless many beautiful women fit the last three categories. (Of course there is such a thing as personality, or life experiences, or love, or good personal qualities: but we aren’t discussing those here.)

    I had plenty of experience with Asian women back in the day. Many of them are undeniably attractive, and many of them are not particularly attractive. I have known Asian women who were tall, slender, and graceful, but also Asian women who were short, stocky, and clumsy. Some who were intelligent, and some who were stupid. Some who were giving and loving, and some who were manipulative and and ambitious. Who wants their children raised by a Tiger Mom, of any race?

    I wouldn’t make a fetish of any particular race of women because there are more things on the table than simple physical attraction.

    BTW, I don’t find either Jessica Huang or Jennifer Connelly attractive. But I’m suicidal enough to go after Miley Cyrus. Glad I’m too old for kids.

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  266. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I can't tell if you took me to be saying that there's anything wrong with dorky nice Asian men. There isn't. Besides, most men at the aforementioned school were dorky. That's partly why I find American distaste for Asian men kinda gross. I really don't get how they do worse on the dating market than some scrawny 5'5'' Jewish guy with a yarmulke. Well, I guess I do...

    Anyway, to answer your possibly rhetorical question, yes, in theory both halves of those couples bring in nice paychecks - again, these are classmates from a top school - but I get the sense that the ladies will eventually drop out of the labor force.

    What's most fascinating to me is that these are some of the prettiest, sweetest women you'll find in this kind of environment, and future high status white guys just totally ignore them. Since they have no interest in marrying early and these girls aren't part of the casual sex scene, they might as well not exist.

    White guys are really missing out on a good thing, and the Asians are smart enough to capitalize on their mistakes.

    Oh, and to preempt PUA crap about how these guys will probably make up for it in the long run: they probably won't. Whenever I've seen them marry, it's to less attractive career chicks who will have one child at most. Sad!

    Agree. I’ve noticed this actually almost as a trend, repeated 5x in my experience so far. What’s odd is that some of it supports Whiskey’s assertions. The couples combinations typically are of the following..

    The guy is…
    1) Suitably Westernized, but typically traditional enough in many characteristics.
    2) “Anti-SJW” or basically holds right-wing perspectives
    3)Usually older by at least five years with a career.
    4) Usually a geek in some way.
    5) Relatively tall for an Asian, usually around 5’10 or so.

    The girl is..
    1)So far, almost always Southern.
    2)Basically traditional, with a strong interest in being married. Most didn’t understand the notion of dating as anything but a waste of time.
    3) Very young. Late teens or early twenties.
    4) Working part-time or not at all. Unambitious in about career.
    5) Interested in “geek” hobbies.
    6) Unusually short. One was only 4’10″. The tallest was 5’5″.

    There is some hint that this has something to do with media consumed; all of those girls watch anime and take some sort of attitude or trait from “kawaii” female characters. Even when its very indirect, its noticeable – the preference to being “cute” instead of “sexy”, the idea of being “adorably klutzy”, or “childishly adorable.”

    They all heavily wanted to be supported and “protected.”

    None of these are traits venerated in Western media. They take it from Japanese media, and then gravitate toward men who, I assume, find those traits attractive.

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  267. Rdm says:
    @Jefferson
    "There’s something odd about the issue of “why don’t white women go with asian men?”

    If you were a White woman who is open to interracial dating, would you rather date a guy who looks like Idris Elba or a guy who looks like Eddie Huang? 9 out of 10 White female racemixers are going to pick Idris Elba over Eddie Huang.

    Of course, you’re picking up like a billionaire Michael Jordan and some Asian guy from the street.

    Here’s the real comparison.

    Black men and White women

    1. Michael Jordan married a Cuban women.

    2. Tiger Woods married a Swedish women who was a nanny.

    3. Some Black bloke who live on welfare snag some obese white women, whose intention is already clear in the first place.

    White men and Asian women

    1. A white guy who works at Burger King has an Asian girlfriend who is a college graduate, that’s very common.

    2. Derby who occasionally spew out his armchair opinion on races, went to China, teaches English, and married some unknown Asian woman. That’s very common phenomenon.

    Asian men and White women

    1. Nobel Laureate Steven Chu (ex-Secretary of Energy) marries his counterpart White women trained in physicist.

    2. Nobel Laureate Roger Tsien (diseased) marries his counterpart white women.

    3. Asian men and White women (both PhD graduates) marriages are common in high institutions like Ivy, Stanford etc etc.

    So you go figure, which interracial pairs will produce the best and the brightest in the future.

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