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From Newsweek:

ARE NFL FANS LISTENING TO TRUMP? WEEK 7 CROWDS HAD BIG HOLES AGAIN
BY TEDDY CUTLER ON 10/23/17 AT 6:25 AM

One reason fans aren’t bothering to show up on time for games is that the NFL’s offensive execution has appeared to be more inept this year: offensive production is down. The median team scored around 22.4 points per game for all of last year, while the median through the first 7 weeks this year is down to 21.2.

That doesn’t seem like much, but my vague impression is that usually first half of the season has stronger offensive performance than the second half of the season, perhaps due to warmer weather and fewer injuries.

This season seems particularly lacking in exceptional quarterback play. The median score for ESPN’s proprietary QBR rating of quarterbacks last full season was around 57 (on a 0 to 100 scale) and this year is down around 51.

QBR is a black box owned by ESPN, so perhaps they fiddled with the methodology this year. But, subjectively, it sure doesn’t seem like the passing game is getting better the way it seemed to improve almost annually in recent years since the pro-quarterback rule changes of previous decade.

Theoretically, the mediocre offense of 2017 could be due to a surge in great defense. Perhaps.

On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

 
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  1. A pox on the house of the NFL

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    • Replies: @Alden
    You mean the National Felons League? Racial discord undermining team cohesion??? Aren't they as black as the civil service?
    , @Corvinus
    "A pox on the house of the NFL."

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered--inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I had been wondering for years when there would be the end of one or more of the common 'big ticket' sports (baseball, basketball or football). All three of these are nineteenth century sports. I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them. Maybe it's finally happening.

    The last time I attended a live football game it was not a pleasant experience. The men arouind me were all drunk and spilled beer on me. They were loud and obnoxious. I had what should have been good seats but couldn't see much.

    Football in the stadium also prevents identification of the players. Their heads and faces are covered. You can't even get an idea of their bodies because they are wearing padding and armor. Moreover they switch out the teams very few minutes. You might try to follow a particular player but he is only on one of the three teams on the field - the offense, the defense and the special teams.

    If you watch on TV you at least have a cadre of commentators who try to explain to you what is going on. Half way up in the stands amid the beer guzzlers you can miss a lot.

    Then there is the racial issue. Most of the players are now black while most of the fans in the high priced seats are white. That wouldn't be so bad except blacks are not well behaved. They tend to be rude and aggrieved most of the time. If there were more bigger, faster Japanese players - none of these behavioral issues would arise. But blacks are one of the big races and they have a lot of 'fast twitch' muscle fibers which translates into extra foot speed.

    A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.

    It would be something like "American Ninja Warrior".

    Some personal injury lawyer is trying right now to get all contact football banned for health reasons. Or maybe the players will have to play covered in 'bubble wrap'. There is a lot wrong with football - more than just the ugly behavior of the blacks.

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  2. Barnard says:

    NFL tickets are ridiculously expensive, even for the bad teams. A lot of tickets have been purchased by businesses and given away as perks for years. It would be interesting to see data on what percentage for each team is purchased by individual fans versus corporations.

    If a regular fan already paid for their tickets before the season started, they will probably still use them, even if they are mad about the protests. We may have reached the point where attending an NFL game is such an unattractive proposition for most fans that they don’t even want the free tickets being offered at the office. This is not an easy problem for the league to fix, even if they could end all the protests tomorrow. The owners and Roger Goodell don’t even act like they understand it.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    They don't understand it. They assume that white Middle America will always back them religiously, so they can dump on white Middle America and kowtow to blacks. They expect a Win-Win for them to be permanent.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Everywhere you look, you'll find a dinosaur of the last "we're all together" epoch actively engaged in seppuku.

    The "news media" destroy the credibility on which their very existence depends by issuing fake news and partisan bias so thick no knife could cut it.
    Universities turn their offerings into parodies of stupidity while raising their prices to orbit as a means of tapping credit availability through the "student conduit."
    Health authorities get caught hiding relevant safety data and critical conflicts of interest.

    Everywhere you look, people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet.

    Isn't a period of massive trend change fascinating to watch?

    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes. We wouldn't go to NFL unless tickets and parking were free. And then we would simply go to show off our VDare tshirts. Hey, does Vdare have tshirts?
    , @AnotherDad

    The owners and Roger Goodell don’t even act like they understand it.
     
    Goodell handled this situation in a ridiculously--because unnecessary--poor manner.

    Faced with Trump's tweet he could have simply gone free-speechy:
    -- The NFL loves America and our rights as Americans.
    -- An American value is free-speech, and our players have the right to free speech--to speak out on the social issues of the day--even if their manner is not one we in the league approve of.
    -- Free speech also includes the right of others--including the President--to critique our speech, and the manner of expressing it. And in turn for others to disagree with that critique.
    -- The NFL encourages all its players and coaches and fans to stand for our national anthem to show our unity and loyalty as Americans.

    Why Goodell thought it was a good idea to unnecessarily go out of his way to antagonize a good portion of his fan base which actually pays the bills, is beyond me. It's the fans, not the particular players--and in particular black players--who are critical to the NFL being an ongoing concern.
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  3. DCThrowback says: • Website

    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team’s next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

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    Blacks sabotaging things so more blacks can start (say, more black QBs) or more blacks get hired as coaches or to force the team to back Leftist politics is very common in all sports in which blacks make up 50% or more of players.
    , @George
    If Carr wants to be a pro he has to learn to take one for the team.
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever)

    Deadly, but also the story of a lifetime. Who would care about access after that?
    , @e
    A security guard purportedly said something that led to the rumor. A talk show duo out of Sacramento made a big deal about it the following Monday, careful to always add," IF THIS IS TRUE," but, of course, knowing it would be a rating's bonanza. It never got traction with anyone who knows and follows the team.

    Carr is good friends with Penn, Hudson, and esp. Gabe Jackson, the main ingredients of his O-line.

    Infowars? Come on, man. There was no "reporter."

    , @Prof. Woland
    I was thinking the same thing but perhaps it is the white quarterbacks that are purposefully throwing the games in order to get revenge. After all, who is in a better position? No one would suspect them because white people are nice.
    , @Corvinus
    "There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago."

    Exactly. Take it with a grain of salt. Just like the narrative that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion. Without a doubt there is friction, but not to the point that the Alt Right narrative is trying to peddle.
    , @Daniel H
    >>There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    I believe this story to be true. NFL management (from coaches all the way to the top: owners and NFL management) has made a colossal unforced error. I have no pity for them. A little backbone and sense of appreciation for their fans, not to mention their country, would have nipped this kneeling nonsense in the bud.
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  4. theMann says:

    “On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.”

    Could we get Derek Carr’s opinion on that one?

    I am glad to see the NFL crash and burn. Watching idiots run into each other as hard as possible for 3+ hours and calling it a sport is laughable to begin with, but adding the unending layers of NFL corruption and an hour’s worth of commercials makes it absolute garbage, truly unbearable to watch.

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    Watching idiots run into each other as hard as possible for 3+ hours and calling it a sport is laughable to begin with
     
    You should have seen football before the forward pass was invented. "Stover at Yale"
    Fullbacks kicking punts at random times. Rugby without the scrums.
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  5. Steve Sailer says:

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for the Democrat Party is that Black Lives Matter discord is undermining coalitional cohesion.

    Reminder:

    The WHITE LIVES MATTER rally in Tennessee will be held this weekend. The Tennessee Highway Patrol and local law enforcement must be given all the tools they need to protect FREE SPEECH for the rally participants. Attorney General Jeff Sessions must make it clear that Antifa will not be allowed to stop free speech in the United States.

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  6. Altai says:

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)

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    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.
     
    that happened in one tournament a decade ago. france finished runner-up in last years european championship, and they're a world cup favorite.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)
     
    the dutch suck because they're best players are in their 30s. belgian has world class players at every position and are a world cup dark horse. swiss immigrants are overwhelmingly other europeans. there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland#Nationality
    , @jimmyriddle
    In 1998, the French coach was pretty ruthless about discipline. He dropped Nicolas Anelka for the better behaved Stephane Guivarch.

    After the World Cup both players came to England. Anelka was very successful at Arsenal (but was troublesome). Guivarch proved to be a donkey at Newcastle.

    The Dutch side was notorious for team bust-ups and racially tinged animosity. Piere van Hooijdonk was a major culprit - very good on the field, but total cancer in the dressing room of every club he played for.
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  7. Jake says:

    It is not just about fewer fans in the stands. I did not watch a single second of NFL football all weekend (which began Thursday night), and I will not watch even 1 second tonight.

    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists who despise white Middle America. Let them cover all costs to pamper their bastard-producing, drug-ingesting, rape-culture-spreading, police-hating spoiled brat black millionaire pets.

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    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists

     

    What planet do you live on? Does ALL of your information come from O'Reilly?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/25/news/companies/trump-nfl-owners-donations/index.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nfl-owners-rain-cash-on-trump-inaugural

    https://nesn.com/2016/02/nfl-owners-political-donations-largely-republican-robert-kraft-more-democratic/

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.
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  8. Jake says:
    @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    Blacks sabotaging things so more blacks can start (say, more black QBs) or more blacks get hired as coaches or to force the team to back Leftist politics is very common in all sports in which blacks make up 50% or more of players.

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    Not buying this in the least, there is too much money at stake for individual players and the coaches have too much power (thankfully).

    If true (HUGE if) this was about making Carr look as bad as possible for one game as a message for not supporting their message.
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  9. neutral says:

    All the recent news I come across regarding the sports industry, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc, is that the customer is always wrong. However it does not end at just seeing the customer as wrong, at times it seems that the customer is treated as an outright enemy. I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.

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    I rather like the idea of the Harvard Business School as the new anti-Christ. It would give the Pope a breather.
    , @Jack Highlands
    1. The entertainment industry, with it's heavy Jewish presence, has gone too far with it's anti-White narrative, but seems unable to walk it back, preferring even to squabble over the remnants. To the point of sacrificing their own, eg Weinstein.

    2. The entertainment industry, which includes sports, is intimately related to even bigger industries, like advertising, also heavily Jewish and anti-White.

    3. The great majority of powerful Jews see Trumpism as a threat.

    4. Yet the Trump bump has been significantly larger and more durable than average peri-election bumps.

    Something's gotta give.
    , @anonymous

    I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.
     
    Don’t look at me, I was only at HBS for my Mrs. ;)
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  10. Jake says:
    @Barnard
    NFL tickets are ridiculously expensive, even for the bad teams. A lot of tickets have been purchased by businesses and given away as perks for years. It would be interesting to see data on what percentage for each team is purchased by individual fans versus corporations.

    If a regular fan already paid for their tickets before the season started, they will probably still use them, even if they are mad about the protests. We may have reached the point where attending an NFL game is such an unattractive proposition for most fans that they don't even want the free tickets being offered at the office. This is not an easy problem for the league to fix, even if they could end all the protests tomorrow. The owners and Roger Goodell don't even act like they understand it.

    They don’t understand it. They assume that white Middle America will always back them religiously, so they can dump on white Middle America and kowtow to blacks. They expect a Win-Win for them to be permanent.

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    The NFL thinks they are "too big to fail." At least, up to now.
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  11. George says:
    @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    If Carr wants to be a pro he has to learn to take one for the team.

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    Which is an excellent reason not to "want to be a pro."
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  12. dearieme says:
    @neutral
    All the recent news I come across regarding the sports industry, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc, is that the customer is always wrong. However it does not end at just seeing the customer as wrong, at times it seems that the customer is treated as an outright enemy. I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.

    I rather like the idea of the Harvard Business School as the new anti-Christ. It would give the Pope a breather.

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    • Replies: @Bill
    This Pope seems pretty energetic.
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  13. Tiny Duck says:

    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

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    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel
     
    I do too.
    And they will.
    All roads lead to somewhere, don't they?
    , @Bill
    "I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel"

    Me too.
    , @VizlaForever
    "[s]upport the NFL"? How, exactly? With all of the money they earn?
    , @George
    Black athletes show support for Muhammad Ali refusing conscription. Note the presence of Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, first row on your right.

    http://www.alialife.com/press/2017/6/1/the-cleveland-summit-and-muhammad-ali-the-true-story

    The cyclical growth spurt that was perhaps already underway when Trump took office seems to have ended. Trump might have been able to keep it going by at least cutting back on the adventurism freeing up resources to keep the 'real' economy going. Anyways, my guess is what you are seeing is a slowdown in spending by the kind of person that goes to NFL games. Check out GE share price, down, up and down again 5% over 2 days, can't blame that on Blacks. But don't worry the Lockheed Martin moon shot, interrupted a bit by early Trump anti war tweets is back on track.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Hey, no way you can support a pro sports league financially with just black viewers-customers, there are a lot fewer of them and they don't spend money when they do have it. They also have a lot less of it anyway. NFL ratings would drop 80 percent if no whites watched, still more innumeracy from duck.
    , @e
    Teeny,

    Fairly newly arrived Hispanics are soccer fans. (They are POCs, aren't they?)

    Blacks (POCs, right?) favor the NBA over the NFL and blacks spend their money on sneakers and bb jerseys over merchandise for the NFL.

    You're losing the kneeling battle. Fewer and fewer, most teams with none kneeling.

    Trump wins again.
    , @fish

    Oh Tiny….U so crazy


    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @IBC
    Football players have a greatly elevated risk of CTE. If you really cared about black players, you'd be calling for their early retirement instead of just kneeling for a couple of minutes.
    , @A1
    You are funny. The only support for NFL is black american descendants of slaves and their white trash oppressors.

    Black Africans, all brown people and upper middle class whites are soccer or baseball. You must not know many people of colour.
    , @tyrone
    Hey tiny you should start a campaign to bus inner city youth to fill those empty stadium seats ,deeds not words tiny , deeds.
    , @The Alarmist
    Dude, more young people today play video games than sports, and there is a growing industry streaming live game play that more and more young people, who are not just playing but are also in many cases merely watching, and are increasingly watching professional gamers in organising leagues for serious pro gamers. In other words, the NFL is facing serious competition for young eyeballs, many of whom no doubt perceive American Football to be the sport of their fathers or grandfathers.

    Your premiss is seriously flawed.
    , @Propagandist Hacker
    bring it...we will be ready...after all, we invented civilization....
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  14. bartok says:
    @theMann
    "On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion."


    Could we get Derek Carr's opinion on that one?


    I am glad to see the NFL crash and burn. Watching idiots run into each other as hard as possible for 3+ hours and calling it a sport is laughable to begin with, but adding the unending layers of NFL corruption and an hour's worth of commercials makes it absolute garbage, truly unbearable to watch.

    Watching idiots run into each other as hard as possible for 3+ hours and calling it a sport is laughable to begin with

    You should have seen football before the forward pass was invented. “Stover at Yale”
    Fullbacks kicking punts at random times. Rugby without the scrums.

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  15. vinny says:

    I imagine ratings in San Diego and St Louis are down quite a bit from a couple years ago.

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    My sister and brother-in-law in St. L. are outraged at the behavior of Stan Kroenke. The threat and the carrying out of the threat.
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  16. On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    You’re kidding, right? (My sarcasm detector is rather shoddy.)

    I’m almost surprised the blacks haven’t already insisted on separate showers.

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  17. Bill says:
    @George
    If Carr wants to be a pro he has to learn to take one for the team.

    Which is an excellent reason not to “want to be a pro.”

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    Carr signed a 5 year, $125M contract this past offseason.
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  18. @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    I do too.
    And they will.
    All roads lead to somewhere, don’t they?

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  19. Bill says:
    @dearieme
    I rather like the idea of the Harvard Business School as the new anti-Christ. It would give the Pope a breather.

    This Pope seems pretty energetic.

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    Bill, I don't have my decoder ring. Energetic is a code word, right?
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  20. Bill says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    “I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel”

    Me too.

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  21. @Barnard
    NFL tickets are ridiculously expensive, even for the bad teams. A lot of tickets have been purchased by businesses and given away as perks for years. It would be interesting to see data on what percentage for each team is purchased by individual fans versus corporations.

    If a regular fan already paid for their tickets before the season started, they will probably still use them, even if they are mad about the protests. We may have reached the point where attending an NFL game is such an unattractive proposition for most fans that they don't even want the free tickets being offered at the office. This is not an easy problem for the league to fix, even if they could end all the protests tomorrow. The owners and Roger Goodell don't even act like they understand it.

    Everywhere you look, you’ll find a dinosaur of the last “we’re all together” epoch actively engaged in seppuku.

    The “news media” destroy the credibility on which their very existence depends by issuing fake news and partisan bias so thick no knife could cut it.
    Universities turn their offerings into parodies of stupidity while raising their prices to orbit as a means of tapping credit availability through the “student conduit.”
    Health authorities get caught hiding relevant safety data and critical conflicts of interest.

    Everywhere you look, people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet.

    Isn’t a period of massive trend change fascinating to watch?

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    dc, what a great line...."people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet." Steve doesn't Gold Box comments anymore , but that is praise worthy.
    , @Flip
    I think it is a combination of greed and the loss of civic responsibility due to the increased racial and ethnic diversity of the country. When most people were of European descent, there was a feeling that other Americans were your countrymen. Now the US has become a "polyglot boarding house" as Theodore Roosevelt said.
    , @Thea
    Beautifully written.

    Are you suggesting this cyclical?
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  22. The most important line of most news stories is either the first or the last, depending on whether it’s an obvious or a delicate message that’s being imparted. In this case, it’s the last.

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  23. GMR says:

    The official statistics for attendance don’t show a great drop off this year:

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm

    That chart is a bit confusing since it puts away games in italics. Also, certain games in London (which has about 84K seats) are listed as home games for certain teams.

    It looks like Cleveland did have a drop off (from 67K to 59K yesterday).

    The LA Chargers attendance sucks for home games because their stadium sucks.

    Bear in mind that comparing aggregate attendance vs. last year isn’t that useful for a couple of reasons:

    1) There were only 15 home games in week 1, as the Miami game was moved to later in the season due to the hurricane.

    2) The Chargers stadium seats ~25K while last year in San Diego, they could seat ~70K.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.

    On the other hand, there’s been talk about how the NFL is giving away tickets to fill the stands. But apparently, the stands are being for the most part filled, although maybe not right at kickoff. Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.

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    The announced attendance often times doesn't match up to the number of people who actually attend the games. Baseball is even worse at manipulating this, but these numbers are usually exaggerated. It is obvious the Chargers have not a full stadium for a home game yet this year, even though it only holds half the capacity of their old one.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.
     
    Packers had four games through week 7 both in 2016 and 2017. Cowboys had three both years.

    Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.
     
    Sportswriters have done this in several cities, including San Francisco and Cleveland. Stands are never close to full the entire game.
    , @David In TN
    The most important factor is TV audience, not stadium attendance.
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  24. Alden says:
    @K. Lastima
    A pox on the house of the NFL

    You mean the National Felons League? Racial discord undermining team cohesion??? Aren’t they as black as the civil service?

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  25. @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    “[s]upport the NFL”? How, exactly? With all of the money they earn?

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    THey will earn more when the white man is kept fro creating a bad society where they cannot thrive
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    This is what happens when one is relying on black employees. The sinking of schools, neighborhoods and now football; is there a pattern here?

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  27. black sea says:

    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they’re just entertainers. As far as TV viewing goes, there are bound to a lot of people like me, who might watch a game if they’re interested in the teams playing, but wouldn’t really mind if the entire season were cancelled. There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.

    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that’s fine with me; I’m not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.

    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

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    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they’re just entertainers.
     
    Not just athletes but many fans as well. I once told a neighbor who is really into college and NFL football that professional and big-time college sports are basically soap operas for guys. They're "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" mixed with men hitting things. Nothing wrong with that but let's not pretend that they're anything different.

    Playing a sport and watching a sport are two very different things.
    , @Barnard
    I think that is the problem with the lower TV ratings and attendance at games. More and more people are moving from the die hard fan group to the casual fan group you describe. The concussion issue and lower youth football participation rates are another long term problem for the league. The NFL doesn't have a solution on how to manage these problems, their revenue is going to decline, the only question left is how they manage the decline.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    black sea, the Pittsburgh Steelers hide in the tunnel and then hammer the lone player who came out for the anthem nailed it for me. It's fall here. The leaves are in color. Wine country is beckoning. The salmon are in the streams. The Amish are harvesting their crops the old way. So much to do and my life goes on without football. Two weeks ago I attended a lacrosse tournament (D-II and D-III college teams) at Canton, Ohio. Great game lacrosse. Don't need no stinking football.
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  28. @neutral
    All the recent news I come across regarding the sports industry, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc, is that the customer is always wrong. However it does not end at just seeing the customer as wrong, at times it seems that the customer is treated as an outright enemy. I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.

    1. The entertainment industry, with it’s heavy Jewish presence, has gone too far with it’s anti-White narrative, but seems unable to walk it back, preferring even to squabble over the remnants. To the point of sacrificing their own, eg Weinstein.

    2. The entertainment industry, which includes sports, is intimately related to even bigger industries, like advertising, also heavily Jewish and anti-White.

    3. The great majority of powerful Jews see Trumpism as a threat.

    4. Yet the Trump bump has been significantly larger and more durable than average peri-election bumps.

    Something’s gotta give.

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  29. I haven’t watched the NFL (or college football) for more than a decade unless invited as part of a group of friends, but isn’t some of the problem with NFL quarterbacks that college teams don’t run NFL-style offenses anymore?

    Haven’t colleges switched to spread offenses where a fast black guy who can kind of throw is the QB? If that’s the case, you’d have a tough time finding decent quarterbacks. Even the linemen wouldn’t have experience in a traditional offense.

    I’m guessing that defenses in the NFL are too quick and better trained for a spread offense to work very well. Also, it puts your QB in harms way too often.

    Regardless, I now find it really odd that grown men devote so much of their lives (both time and emotion) to worshipping some guys playing a kid’s game. I remember somebody once recounting a conversation that they had with their dad as a kid. He couldn’t believe that his dad didn’t care about the fate of the Yankees and, in particular, Mickey Mantle.

    The dad replied, “I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me.”

    Lovely fall afternoons should be relished, not spent inside for four hours.

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    And football shouldn't be played in the summer or the winter.
    , @ScarletNumber

    I remember somebody once recounting a conversation that they had with their dad as a kid. He couldn’t believe that his dad didn’t care about the fate of the Yankees and, in particular, Mickey Mantle.

    The dad replied, “I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me.”
     
    This was in A Bronx Tale.
    , @Dissident

    The dad replied, “I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me.”
     
    Great rejoinder. If only more parents would imbue their children with that attitude toward celebrities.

    Lovely fall afternoons should be relished, not spent inside for four hours.

     

    One way to relish the great outdoors while watching live sports, without having to pay a cent, is to simply head over to a local public park with playing fields.
    , @Truth
    I think that came from a Chazz Palmenteri movie, and it was Bill Mazeroski, not Mantle.
    , @Dissident

    Regardless, I now find it really odd that grown men devote so much of their lives (both time and emotion) to worshipping some guys playing a kid’s game.
     
    (Without in any way belittling this valid point, I just wanted to append the following to my previous reply, in which I suggested watching sports being played at a local public park as an alternative to watching professional sports.)

    At the park, it's at least as often kids playing. Dare I say that I prefer this*? The way I see it, why pay to watch (largely) spoiled, obnoxious, hostile, even savage adult creatures when for no charge you can watch creatures that are still charmingly cute, full of wonder, and even magic*?

    *NOTE: Undoubtedly, many find contradiction and even detect hypocrisy in the combination of my fascination with boys with my vehement, persistent condemnation of buggery and other "LGBTQ" depravity. In reality, however, the two sentiments are entirely consistent with and complementary of each other. I trust that many here will appreciate this, given the intelligence, independence and keen critical thinking that I have seen demonstrated by many among the Unz commentariat.
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  30. @black sea
    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they're just entertainers. As far as TV viewing goes, there are bound to a lot of people like me, who might watch a game if they're interested in the teams playing, but wouldn't really mind if the entire season were cancelled. There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.

    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that's fine with me; I'm not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.

    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they’re just entertainers.

    Not just athletes but many fans as well. I once told a neighbor who is really into college and NFL football that professional and big-time college sports are basically soap operas for guys. They’re “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” mixed with men hitting things. Nothing wrong with that but let’s not pretend that they’re anything different.

    Playing a sport and watching a sport are two very different things.

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  31. TWalsh2 says:

    If you have a good product you can piss people off and they’ll still come back (Soup Nazi). If you don’t have a good product, you can’t (NFL).

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  32. Travis says:

    has the decreased ratings of NFL games hurt the gaming revenues at Draftkings, Fanduel and other gambling establishments ?

    why is the NFL so opposed to sports betting in New Jersey yet so tolerant to the practice in London and Las Vegas (The Raiders future home). The NFL battled hard for an injunction to stop New Jersey from legalizing sports wagering, arguing that the expansion of sports gambling would lead to irreparable harm for the league overall. Yet the NFL allowed the Raiders to move to Vegas.

    Do they fear legalized gambling in New Jersey will hurt their investments in Draftkings ? It is hard to understand the anti-gambling rhetoric from the NFL. If not for sports wagering their would be much less interest in NFL games.

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    32 Travis > has the decreased ratings of NFL games hurt the gaming revenues at Draftkings, Fanduel and other gambling establishments ?


    the smartest players were still making good money on Pork Belly futures at the moment that the trading was stopped because the "open interest" was lower than that of Uranium Futures.

    An NFL game is not any more nonsensical than a horse race on a closed-course track. Do you expect the betting on THAT to fade away?

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  33. Barnard says:
    @black sea
    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they're just entertainers. As far as TV viewing goes, there are bound to a lot of people like me, who might watch a game if they're interested in the teams playing, but wouldn't really mind if the entire season were cancelled. There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.

    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that's fine with me; I'm not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.

    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

    I think that is the problem with the lower TV ratings and attendance at games. More and more people are moving from the die hard fan group to the casual fan group you describe. The concussion issue and lower youth football participation rates are another long term problem for the league. The NFL doesn’t have a solution on how to manage these problems, their revenue is going to decline, the only question left is how they manage the decline.

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  34. @Barnard
    NFL tickets are ridiculously expensive, even for the bad teams. A lot of tickets have been purchased by businesses and given away as perks for years. It would be interesting to see data on what percentage for each team is purchased by individual fans versus corporations.

    If a regular fan already paid for their tickets before the season started, they will probably still use them, even if they are mad about the protests. We may have reached the point where attending an NFL game is such an unattractive proposition for most fans that they don't even want the free tickets being offered at the office. This is not an easy problem for the league to fix, even if they could end all the protests tomorrow. The owners and Roger Goodell don't even act like they understand it.

    Yes. We wouldn’t go to NFL unless tickets and parking were free. And then we would simply go to show off our VDare tshirts. Hey, does Vdare have tshirts?

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    Actually, I've always thought that it'll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt. 99.9% wouldn't know what the hell it was about - and wouldn't care. But every once in a while, some guy would see it, do a double-take and then give you the knowing nod.

    It'd be like a secret handshake.
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    @neutral
    All the recent news I come across regarding the sports industry, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc, is that the customer is always wrong. However it does not end at just seeing the customer as wrong, at times it seems that the customer is treated as an outright enemy. I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.

    I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.

    Don’t look at me, I was only at HBS for my Mrs. ;)

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    How's that working out?
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  36. @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever)

    Deadly, but also the story of a lifetime. Who would care about access after that?

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  37. George says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Black athletes show support for Muhammad Ali refusing conscription. Note the presence of Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, first row on your right.

    http://www.alialife.com/press/2017/6/1/the-cleveland-summit-and-muhammad-ali-the-true-story

    The cyclical growth spurt that was perhaps already underway when Trump took office seems to have ended. Trump might have been able to keep it going by at least cutting back on the adventurism freeing up resources to keep the ‘real’ economy going. Anyways, my guess is what you are seeing is a slowdown in spending by the kind of person that goes to NFL games. Check out GE share price, down, up and down again 5% over 2 days, can’t blame that on Blacks. But don’t worry the Lockheed Martin moon shot, interrupted a bit by early Trump anti war tweets is back on track.

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  38. I’ve never been an NFL fan. The games are boring, and now that I’ve grown up, sports that have nothing to do with my life are for the most part boring. I enjoy the occasional Olympics or game in the background.

    I’m more fascinated with the NFL now than ever before. The schadenfreude has been enjoyable. I agree with the guy above hoping they continue to kneel. This has been fun.

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    I recall a passage in the late sports columnist Jim Murray's autobiography. Murray had formerly covered Hollywood and wrote how actors and actresses understood the concept of making public appearances to promote a film.

    In other words, get the public on your side.

    Murray wrote that pro athletes, football in particular, didn't understand that the fans payed their salaries. The owners signed the checks but fan interest produced the money.

    I recall around 1970 baseball HOF pitcher Bob Gibson declared "The fans don't pay my salary. Gussie Busch does." Gibson was giving his reason for not being exactly fan-friendly.
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  39. Luke Lea says:

    Scott Adams hypothesizes that kneeling offends the most of the spectators and hence negates the home field advantage.

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  40. Clyde says:

    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player’s athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that’s not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

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    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player’s athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that’s not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

     

    This is a silly take. Most Offensive Linemen are actually nimble athletes, able to move their bulk deliberately to maintain leverage while often moving backwards in a pass protect play. They're not just great big fatties without talent or athletic ability (in fact, if you see a modern NFL O-linemen in person in street clothes most of them probably wouldn't strike you as particularly fat at all).

    Soccer players have good cardiovascular fitness for sure but I'm not certain what it contributes to the game other than the sheer ability to be on the field for a long period of time (why not play in shifts like hockey players to boost the speed and intensity of play with a continuous supply of fresh legs?). Most of the game involves these alleged supreme athletes gingerly jogging one way and then turning to gingerly jog the other way when the direction of the ball changes.

    In any event, why is the "lifetime fitness" prospects of entertainers my concern when I'm trying to watch athletic drama play out? By that metric, shouldn't we all be most interested as spectators in cross country races or marathons? "Well Maude It's boring as hell but gee that stringily-built fellow looks like he'll live forever if he doesn't get hit by a car while running."

    Additionally, Rugby has continuous play but also manages to build some excitement during its 80 minutes (penalties are killing the game, however).
    , @27 year old
    Soccer is very interesting to watch. Like any sport there are some individual games which are boring. Just because points aren't being scored every few minutes doesn't mean nothing is happening. When somebody nutmegs a defender, even if it doesn't lead to a goal, it's awesome.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, treat yourself to a D-I college lacrosse game.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    Clyde says soccer "players are running the whole game" no, they aren't and they would be fools to do so. More like a lot of slow jogging and the handful of sprints that don't cover much ground. An attacking midfielder does a lot of running compared to all other players. If everyone on the pitch were running all game then they would need to adopt ice hockey substitution patterns.
    , @silviosilver

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous.
     
    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running. Corners, goal kicks, free kicks (especially heavily disputed ones, or ones involving Mediterranean-pioneered feigned injuries), even some throw-ins, all afford an opportunity to catch your breath.

    They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.
     
    They are so scrawny though. I think Australian Rules Football players have the best combination of physique and fitness.
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  41. @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Hey, no way you can support a pro sports league financially with just black viewers-customers, there are a lot fewer of them and they don’t spend money when they do have it. They also have a lot less of it anyway. NFL ratings would drop 80 percent if no whites watched, still more innumeracy from duck.

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    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I'm looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past
    , @Karl
    41 Unladen Swallow > black viewers-customers, there are a lot fewer of them and they don’t spend money when they do have it

    the payday-loan industry told me that Blacks spend all their money even when they do NOT have it.
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  43. e says:
    @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    A security guard purportedly said something that led to the rumor. A talk show duo out of Sacramento made a big deal about it the following Monday, careful to always add,” IF THIS IS TRUE,” but, of course, knowing it would be a rating’s bonanza. It never got traction with anyone who knows and follows the team.

    Carr is good friends with Penn, Hudson, and esp. Gabe Jackson, the main ingredients of his O-line.

    Infowars? Come on, man. There was no “reporter.”

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  44. Tiny Duck says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    Hey, no way you can support a pro sports league financially with just black viewers-customers, there are a lot fewer of them and they don't spend money when they do have it. They also have a lot less of it anyway. NFL ratings would drop 80 percent if no whites watched, still more innumeracy from duck.

    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I’m looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past

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    Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    Uh….Tinys……dats not'n be workin out fo da African brothas too well.


    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @A1
    "Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here and support DC United."

    Fixed it for you.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    African immigrants are moving to the US in order to watch pro football? Mexican and Central American illegal immigrants are watching the NFL as well? What percentage would you guess watch the NFL? Not even one percent, and news flash, illegals aren't overflowing with disposable income even if they were watching. You are hilarious, duck, and still a moron.
    , @Hrw-500
    American Renaissance posted some articles in 2015 and 2016 about an African planet.
    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/07/an-african-planet/
    https://www.amren.com/features/2016/01/an-african-planet-part-ii/
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  45. Theoretically, the mediocre offense of 2017 could be due to a surge in great defense. Perhaps.

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    But wouldn’t you expect that the defense, which is so heavily black, might be acting out a lot more, and undermining their performance?

    I have to say I wondered about that with the Patriots.

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  46. e says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Teeny,

    Fairly newly arrived Hispanics are soccer fans. (They are POCs, aren’t they?)

    Blacks (POCs, right?) favor the NBA over the NFL and blacks spend their money on sneakers and bb jerseys over merchandise for the NFL.

    You’re losing the kneeling battle. Fewer and fewer, most teams with none kneeling.

    Trump wins again.

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    whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good about your inevitable loss of primacy and privilege
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  47. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Oh Tiny….U so crazy

    – Leonard Pitts

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  48. dsgntd_plyr says: • Website

    Speaking of football there’s an iSteve-y story about David Sills V. Lane Kiffin offered him a scholarship to play QB at USC when he was 13, but injuries dropped his stock, and Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffined.

    He’s now a top WR prospect at WVU (he leads the country in TD receptions): http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3871102/david-sills-v; https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/25/david-sills-v-recruitment-usc-west-virginia

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    just realized "David Sills V. Lane Kiffin," could be mistakenly read as one name, or a lawsuit. the player's name is David Sills V.
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  49. JerryC says:

    Interesting that the NBA isn’t going to tolerate any anthem protests. Their fan base is a lot blacker than the NFL’s, and the white fans they do have are, one would think, more in tune with the BLM agenda than white NFL fans are. I mean, if you’re an NBA fan, you’ve already gone black and you’re not going back. Still, NBA management wants no part of this protest theater.

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    Interesting that the NBA isn’t going to tolerate any anthem protests.

     

    Yes, I noticed this too. Even more interesting is, so far as I can see, the lack of comment on this from NBA players, loudmouth amateur-politico coaches such as Steve Kerr and Greg Popovich, sports pundits such as Jemelle Hill, and frankly anybody else.

    This indicates that, no matter what they say publicly, most of those involved in Big Sports understand deep down that the NFL is in real trouble, and they're not willing to risk another of their cultural bastions fighting the same war.

    , @MC
    The NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, is a media darling due to the Donald Sterling incident, among other things. He knows he won't be raked over the coals like Goodell, so he's doing what is best for his league.
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  50. Phil says:

    “On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.”

    ——–

    Four weeks into the NFL season and four weeks from Election Day, amid an increasingly politicized league confronting on-field protests every Sunday, a straw poll of 43 players by B/R Mag shows:

    • 20 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
    • 2 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Donald J. Trump.
    •21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

    …..

    In a league that is predominantly black, but where anything-goes banter is encouraged and racial lines can be blurred, perhaps the most striking finding in the interviews over the course of the general election is what’s been left unsaid. “Black guys will talk about it to each other,” ESPN analyst and two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody said of Trump. “White guys may talk about it to each other. But I think white players will tap around it with black players.

    “The locker room normally isn’t politically correct,” Woody said. “I know from talking to players things are different when it comes to Trump.”

    Woody explained that white players were hesitant to talk about Trump because “a white player may parrot something Trump says, and the black player may think, ‘Oh, that’s how you feel?’ And it could cause problems.”

    Those problems are already unfolding across the NFL. In mid-May, as Trump became the presumptive nominee, two NFC teammates—a right-leaning offensive lineman and a left-leaning linebacker—began to re-examine their friendship because of Trump.

    They had known each other for four years. Their wives talked on occasion. Their kids sometimes played together. They sat next to each other in team meetings and went to dinner several times per month. They often joked that politics were off-limits because of their disparate viewpoints. Then, after their first offseason team workout in May, the lineman revealed he would be voting for Trump—and everything changed.

    The linebacker, a Clinton supporter, began finding excuses for not going to dinner. The families stopped talking. When the lineman confronted his now former friend, he recalls receiving a blunt response: I can’t be friends with anyone who would vote for Donald Trump. I’m sorry.

    http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

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    Today's Democrats demand "diversity" in the form of people with lots of different colors and clothing styles and genders, but they demand absolute ideological uniformity. If you deviate, they will shun you. I had to stay one of the "silent" Trump voters because my wife's many Democrat cousins and colleagues would never have spoken to her again. No exaggeration.

    That's a good article, but the fact that it talks about NFL players is almost irrelevant. This is how it works all over the country; in offices, in marriages, in families. The leftist Democrats are intolerant herd creatures who believe the Media Narrative completely. They're the good guys and we're the Deplorables and I can't imagine what will change it.
    , @carol
    “I see Trump as someone who is hostile to people of color

    For the life of me, I don't know where this comes from. Did I miss something, or is the hostility just assumed? Is it a rare case of solidarity with Mexicans? Or is it a Muslim thing?
    , @Pericles
    Seems like it's the blacks doing the tearing, not Trump.
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  51. dsgntd_plyr says: • Website
    @Altai

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.
     
    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.

    I wouldn't be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don't know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)

    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.

    that happened in one tournament a decade ago. france finished runner-up in last years european championship, and they’re a world cup favorite.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)

    the dutch suck because they’re best players are in their 30s. belgian has world class players at every position and are a world cup dark horse. swiss immigrants are overwhelmingly other europeans. there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland#Nationality

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    *last
    , @AnotherDad
    > there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count:

    That's by my calculation 94k too many. And a ridiculously high amount (>1% of the Swiss population) for a European nation, particularly one that is landlocked and has no history of involvement in the slave trade or colonialism whatsoever.
    , @silviosilver
    Check out the Swiss national team's wiki page. I visually identify 6 out of 23 on that list as African. Can't wait to see what it looks like in 20 years.

    Anti-racists = scum of the earth.
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  52. dsgntd_plyr says: • Website
    @dsgntd_plyr
    Speaking of football there's an iSteve-y story about David Sills V. Lane Kiffin offered him a scholarship to play QB at USC when he was 13, but injuries dropped his stock, and Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffined.

    He's now a top WR prospect at WVU (he leads the country in TD receptions): http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3871102/david-sills-v; https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/25/david-sills-v-recruitment-usc-west-virginia

    just realized “David Sills V. Lane Kiffin,” could be mistakenly read as one name, or a lawsuit. the player’s name is David Sills V.

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    I thought it was the name of a court case.
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  53. @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    I was thinking the same thing but perhaps it is the white quarterbacks that are purposefully throwing the games in order to get revenge. After all, who is in a better position? No one would suspect them because white people are nice.

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    I was thinking the same thing but perhaps it is the white quarterbacks that are purposefully throwing the games in order to get revenge. After all, who is in a better position? No one would suspect them because white people are nice.
     
    Doubtful. A poor QB performance is bad for the QB's ego and the "revenge" it permits is too indirect. Whereas a lineman letting a defensive player slip by him gets the satisfaction of seeing the white QB on his ass.
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  54. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I'm looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past

    Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    Uh….Tinys……dats not’n be workin out fo da African brothas too well.

    - Leonard Pitts

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    Yes it is

    Their descendents will be here long after you are gone.

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it
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  55. dsgntd_plyr says: • Website
    @dsgntd_plyr

    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.
     
    that happened in one tournament a decade ago. france finished runner-up in last years european championship, and they're a world cup favorite.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)
     
    the dutch suck because they're best players are in their 30s. belgian has world class players at every position and are a world cup dark horse. swiss immigrants are overwhelmingly other europeans. there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland#Nationality

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  56. Corvinus says:
    @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    “There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.”

    Exactly. Take it with a grain of salt. Just like the narrative that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion. Without a doubt there is friction, but not to the point that the Alt Right narrative is trying to peddle.

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  57. Corvinus says:
    @K. Lastima
    A pox on the house of the NFL

    “A pox on the house of the NFL.”

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered–inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.

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    EXACTLY

    The NFL will be fine. Basketball will overtake as the most popular sport (more diversity) but football will still be a major past of American culture
    , @AM

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered–inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.
     
    And Clinton will be President. Nothing to see here. ;)
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  58. JamesG says:

    The “kneelers” have one fatal problem: they are stupid.

    Only stupid people would think that antagonizing the people who provide the revenue is not a bad idea.

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    Having read most but not quite all of the comments here, I believe that no-one has yet made the following proposal, which I offer in all seriousness.
    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
    No disrespect to patriotic Americans but it's not necessary is it?.
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  59. Travis says:

    I am grateful to the NFL Commissioner for allowing the players to kneel and express their disdain for our National Anthem. Roger Goodell should be praised for exposing the hatred of so many NFL players. This has opened the eyes of many fans and another million people have cancelled their ESPN since September. With less people watching each week the NFL revenue will begin to decline , reducing the salaries of the players…

    hard to see how the NFL will continue to sell tickets to a dwindling number of white fans. The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy…in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60…and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

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    The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy…in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60…and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

    Another potential problem is that older Gen Xers are probably the last generation to grow up passively watching TV, including the seemingly endless commercials that saturate every NFL game. Unless social media can come up with a way to hold their attention during games the younger generation will not develop the lifetime habit of watching three hour sporting events. (The average game has taken three and a half hours to complete in this year's MLB playoffs).
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  60. Rod1963 says:

    Well it’s nice to know that declining attendance(polite term for half empty stadiums) has nothing to do with kneeling during the anthem and pissing off white fans, calling them racists for not kissing black a**, etc. Just plain old case of fans demanding more from the players.

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  61. IBC says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Football players have a greatly elevated risk of CTE. If you really cared about black players, you’d be calling for their early retirement instead of just kneeling for a couple of minutes.

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  62. arlo says:

    It’s viewership, not spectatorship, that counts.

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  63. A vast majority of NFL season ticket holders who are not the corporation tickets do not attend every game and have to try and sell them to others. I am betting these are the majority of empty seats. They are way to expensive to buy to be insulted by the entertainers. I want to go see the new Mercedes Benz stadium, but will go to a soccer game instead.

    I think Tiny is really iSteve so he can pad the comments.

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  64. @anonymous

    I would bet that a lot of the people that have this attitude in their business learned this in the Harvard Business School and other such elite hangouts.
     
    Don’t look at me, I was only at HBS for my Mrs. ;)

    How’s that working out?

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  65. @RadicalCenter
    Yes. We wouldn't go to NFL unless tickets and parking were free. And then we would simply go to show off our VDare tshirts. Hey, does Vdare have tshirts?

    Actually, I’ve always thought that it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt. 99.9% wouldn’t know what the hell it was about – and wouldn’t care. But every once in a while, some guy would see it, do a double-take and then give you the knowing nod.

    It’d be like a secret handshake.

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    Citi, Note to Steve....sell nicely printed tee shirts here on line.
    , @AnotherDad

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.
     
    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like "noticing is good for you" or just "noticing".
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    I vote for a Mugabe Jacket emblazoned with iSteve's likeness.
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  66. The Z Blog says: • Website

    There are a number of things at play here. All sports are experiencing a decline in attendance. College football is has been feeling it for a while. Basketball at all levels is down. There’s also the fact that the NFL product has become boring while it has become over-hyped. At the games the circus atmosphere is overdone. On TV they carry on like it is the rapture.

    The Africanization of football is another factor. The NBA embraced black culture in the 90′s and it was a disaster from which they never fully recovered. Whites don’t just want to see blacks behaving like whites. They hate seeing blacks acting black. That is a rejection of everything the Cuck-o-sphere has been preaching for decades. Protesting the flag was the worst possible decision.

    There’s something else. Cord cutting is now hip and cool. Not watching the NFL is suddenly trendy with dissident whites. I have a number of friends who used to be season ticket holders and now they no longer go to games or follow the NFL. They are not political. They cut the cord and found happiness in dropping out of pop culture.

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    I didn't see the game Monday night, but this was a pretty exciting play.
    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/922659198021681152
    , @Ed
    The NBA has signed a record TV deal and its popularity is on the upswing. Thanks to a decent smattering of international players it also enjoys international appeal something that has alluded football.

    There are certainly downsides to the NBA's fan base being nearly half black but it is currently doing well.

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  67. @Clyde
    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player's athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that's not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player’s athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that’s not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    This is a silly take. Most Offensive Linemen are actually nimble athletes, able to move their bulk deliberately to maintain leverage while often moving backwards in a pass protect play. They’re not just great big fatties without talent or athletic ability (in fact, if you see a modern NFL O-linemen in person in street clothes most of them probably wouldn’t strike you as particularly fat at all).

    Soccer players have good cardiovascular fitness for sure but I’m not certain what it contributes to the game other than the sheer ability to be on the field for a long period of time (why not play in shifts like hockey players to boost the speed and intensity of play with a continuous supply of fresh legs?). Most of the game involves these alleged supreme athletes gingerly jogging one way and then turning to gingerly jog the other way when the direction of the ball changes.

    In any event, why is the “lifetime fitness” prospects of entertainers my concern when I’m trying to watch athletic drama play out? By that metric, shouldn’t we all be most interested as spectators in cross country races or marathons? “Well Maude It’s boring as hell but gee that stringily-built fellow looks like he’ll live forever if he doesn’t get hit by a car while running.”

    Additionally, Rugby has continuous play but also manages to build some excitement during its 80 minutes (penalties are killing the game, however).

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  68. A1 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    You are funny. The only support for NFL is black american descendants of slaves and their white trash oppressors.

    Black Africans, all brown people and upper middle class whites are soccer or baseball. You must not know many people of colour.

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    The NFL has several African players from Nigeria & Ghana. In fact there was a big write up early in the season about the Nigerian & Nigerian American players in the league and how the coaches like their worth ethic & discipline.

    Haitian players have been a big force in South Florida football for years now.
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  69. A1 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I'm looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past

    “Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here and support DC United.”

    Fixed it for you.

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  70. @Clyde
    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player's athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that's not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    Soccer is very interesting to watch. Like any sport there are some individual games which are boring. Just because points aren’t being scored every few minutes doesn’t mean nothing is happening. When somebody nutmegs a defender, even if it doesn’t lead to a goal, it’s awesome.

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  71. Tiny Duck says:
    @Corvinus
    "A pox on the house of the NFL."

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered--inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.

    EXACTLY

    The NFL will be fine. Basketball will overtake as the most popular sport (more diversity) but football will still be a major past of American culture

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    Aren't you two in adjacent cubicles?
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  72. Tiny Duck says:
    @fish
    Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    Uh….Tinys……dats not'n be workin out fo da African brothas too well.


    - Leonard Pitts
     

    Yes it is

    Their descendents will be here long after you are gone.

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

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    "Put that in your pipe and smoke it"

    Dats bein a funny jokes Tinys….. being what I said to you'n da other knight


    - Leonard Pitts
     
    , @anonymous
    The sons of [sub-saharan non-afrikaans] Africa are being ethically cleansed. News from my old school:

    University of Michigan |
    Resident librarian program focuses on building diversity

    By Lynne Raughley

    In September the Library welcomed three librarians who join the Library as part of a nationwide initiative to increase diversity within the ranks of academic and research libraries.

    Edras Rodriquez-Torres, Sheila Garcia and Jesus Espinoza have three-year appointments at the U-M Library as resident librarians, the first U-M Library cohort in a program that invests in the diversification of librarianship by supporting early career librarians from underrepresented communities and preparing them for leadership in the profession.

    “We are very pleased to welcome this group of promising librarians, and to engage in this effort to ensure excellence and increase diversity in the profession,” said Dean of Libraries James L. Hilton. He added that the program reflects the Library’s longstanding commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion as well as its recognition of a pressing need to implement solutions that will lead to tangible and measurable progress.

    To maximize the impact of the local program, the library joined the Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL) Diversity Alliance, which unites academic libraries committed to increasing the hiring pipeline of qualified, talented individuals from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups. “Being part of the alliance multiplies the effect of the program,” said Jeffery Witt, diversity and inclusion specialist . “It offers a network of committed institutions who can share knowledge and best practices, and offers our own resident librarians and extended cohort.”

    The resident librarians have been assigned to areas according to the library’s needs and their individual experience and career objectives. Rodriquez-Torres will join the International Studies team, while Garcia and Espinoza will spend their first year focusing on community engagement. All three will actively engage in various library initiatives, and will complete capstone projects as contributions to the profession.

    Espinoza has a Master of Library and Information Science (MLIS) from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Garcia and Rodriguez-Torres both received MLIS degrees from Wayne State University.
     
    Diversity is three white people with spanish surnames? I guess this passes the diversity test because the Wolverine State has so few sons of [sub-saharan non-afrikaans] Africa.
    , @silviosilver

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone
     
    Stats show that that doesn't happen nearly as often with blacks as you think (or pretend), but yes, in general, the assumption must be that blonde hair (and other white traits) will eventually become extinct.

    White racists will still get the last laugh from beyond the grave though, since most non-black POC have no great love at all for the Sons of Africa.
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  73. Tiny Duck says:
    @VizlaForever
    "[s]upport the NFL"? How, exactly? With all of the money they earn?

    THey will earn more when the white man is kept fro creating a bad society where they cannot thrive

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  74. Tiny Duck says:
    @e
    Teeny,

    Fairly newly arrived Hispanics are soccer fans. (They are POCs, aren't they?)

    Blacks (POCs, right?) favor the NBA over the NFL and blacks spend their money on sneakers and bb jerseys over merchandise for the NFL.

    You're losing the kneeling battle. Fewer and fewer, most teams with none kneeling.

    Trump wins again.

    whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good about your inevitable loss of primacy and privilege

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    You are on a roll, you glorious anti-white quacker! Here's more support for you...

    http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/burger-king-reveals-the-uncomfortable-truth-about-bullying-in-a-remarkable-in-store-stunt/

    Look at who the bullies are. White punks. And look at who the victims are. Lovable brown kids. And look at the kind adults who try to help. Not a pasty face in sight. Q.E. f**king D.

    , @e
    "Primacy"?

    Uh, there is this thing called IQ. The instruments/methods used to measure it have been very successful in predicting educational and economic success.

    Those who are the more cognitively gifted at birth are those who have "primacy" and in your parlance, it's not POC. Age old problem.

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  75. tyrone says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Hey tiny you should start a campaign to bus inner city youth to fill those empty stadium seats ,deeds not words tiny , deeds.

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    such actions may well result in even less fans in the stands...just as whites no longer go to the malls once too many blacks started going. Not many 45 year-old whites will enjoy sitting next to thousands of "youths". They will not renew their season tickets. if the stands fill up with non-paying blacks siding with the kneeling players sitting for the national anthem and viewership will fall further.
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  76. Barnard says:
    @GMR
    The official statistics for attendance don't show a great drop off this year:

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm

    That chart is a bit confusing since it puts away games in italics. Also, certain games in London (which has about 84K seats) are listed as home games for certain teams.

    It looks like Cleveland did have a drop off (from 67K to 59K yesterday).

    The LA Chargers attendance sucks for home games because their stadium sucks.

    Bear in mind that comparing aggregate attendance vs. last year isn't that useful for a couple of reasons:

    1) There were only 15 home games in week 1, as the Miami game was moved to later in the season due to the hurricane.

    2) The Chargers stadium seats ~25K while last year in San Diego, they could seat ~70K.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.

    On the other hand, there's been talk about how the NFL is giving away tickets to fill the stands. But apparently, the stands are being for the most part filled, although maybe not right at kickoff. Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.

    The announced attendance often times doesn’t match up to the number of people who actually attend the games. Baseball is even worse at manipulating this, but these numbers are usually exaggerated. It is obvious the Chargers have not a full stadium for a home game yet this year, even though it only holds half the capacity of their old one.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.

    Packers had four games through week 7 both in 2016 and 2017. Cowboys had three both years.

    Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.

    Sportswriters have done this in several cities, including San Francisco and Cleveland. Stands are never close to full the entire game.

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    Yeah, I think the chart is showing purchased tickets rather than attendance. There looked to be a decent number of empty seats at MetLife stadium yesterday during the Giants game, which that chart showed having an attendance of ~78k (which is probably about its capacity). Granted, the Giants were 1-5 going into the game, but it was also very nice weather for late October in this area: 70s and sunny.
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  77. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Jake
    Blacks sabotaging things so more blacks can start (say, more black QBs) or more blacks get hired as coaches or to force the team to back Leftist politics is very common in all sports in which blacks make up 50% or more of players.

    Not buying this in the least, there is too much money at stake for individual players and the coaches have too much power (thankfully).

    If true (HUGE if) this was about making Carr look as bad as possible for one game as a message for not supporting their message.

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  78. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @Bill
    Which is an excellent reason not to "want to be a pro."

    Carr signed a 5 year, $125M contract this past offseason.

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    Yeah, there is that.

    Of course, the deal is that you put up with the shitty atmosphere of football at the high school and college levels for the tiny chance of making it big at the pro level. But, you're right, once you've made it the pain and humiliation is probably worth it for the money.
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  79. Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain’t Voting For These People:

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    It's not just non-college educated that will not vote for Democrats, but many college educated Millennials to senior citizens are rapidly changing their minds. It is the choke-hold of PC culture & the fear of offending someone who is a grievance collector...or offending some sort of identity; being accused of bigotry (happened to me recently; loved destroying them: because I am an immigrant) that frightens people. People are choosing to avoid angry, seething liberals (I call them hostiles) in vast numbers that are just growing. I wish there was an app/website to avoid restaurants/small businesses that are owned by hostiles - hint, hint.

    I run into a lot of random people on my dog walks, bike rides and activities. These days, to ease the pressure (and find out if someone is a hostile), I bring up random stuff to test their response: Texas, Snowden, college tuition, hunting season, California wildfires, etc....to check if I want to continue walking with them - I prefer solitude, but that's not always possible. If I need to dig a little deeper: Milo, Ann, insurance for coastal properties in the Northeast, NFL protests :)

    So, Trump has a growing number of supporters, but people still keep it a secret. But, people do worry about their children's or grandkids' future. The accusations of everything being racist, and that white kids/Republicans/conservatives are all racists is inducing a fear and revulsion (fright and flight) that will be impossible to overcome. Division is permanent. People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    What the hell is that thing to the right of clown hat?
    , @guest
    Is that 1970s Tranny Lincoln (Abra Lincoln?) on the right? (Crouching down, presumably.)
    , @SDMatt

    No party for White Men.
     
    Is that Ronnie Wood by the flag?
    , @Buck Turgidson
    I love this photo. The dems are going to get obliterated in 2018. They may not even be around by 2020.
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  80. We all like to complain about social events that we don’t like. And we all would like to believe that when a line is crossed (whatever that line may be), the public will actually make the offender suffer the consequences. But it rarely happens-the public doesn’t generally agree, or doesn’t know enough about the issue, or doesn’t care enough to actually change their actions.

    The most remarkable event, related to this idea, that has happened probably in my entire adult life was the response by citizens of Missouri to the University of Missouri fiasco a few years ago. In that event, the ‘public’ (i.e. the nonpolitical mass) actually were informed, actually did disagree, and actually did change their behavior as a result of the ‘line’ being crossed (what that line is isn’t clear: mob rule at the university? Football team being able to dictate the firing of the president? Professor asking for ‘a little muscle’? All three?). It was the fulfillment of what we all expect from the movies: the masses rise up and punish wrongdoers, immediately and strongly. The drop in attendance at Missouri-by 1/3, for two years in a row now-at the flagship public university in the state, is genuinely astounding. The mob really did rise up, effectively immediately (i.e. in terms of enrollment the next year), as we would see in any inspiring political movie.

    So is the response to the NFL going to be another Missouri moment? Or is it just going to sputter away (as I recall, there were predictions of real problems after various NFL strikes in the past, too).

    It would be nice if Missouri really is a harbinger of more events-perhaps heightened awareness on the part of the public, heightened awareness due to a fundamental change (the internet, the status of politics in this country, etc). We shall see.

    josephjoseph

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    I hope you are right. The only thing anyone really understands is money.
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  81. Meh, the big markets support the small markets. New England, Dallas and New Yawk, Washington, to a late-and-lesser degree support most of it. San Fran is dwindling, but any team that wins gets fannies in seats. New England’s average tix are 4 or 5 hundred a seat now. Washington and a number of other cities have covered over tens of thousands of seats they couldn’t sell anyway so they could claim a sellout and keep the TV rights. Fed Ex once seated 94,ooo. Twenty-plus years of consistent mediocrity meant a loss of 20,000 seats because people quit going. So they just covered the nosebleeds and call 74,000 a sellout for the blackout rules.

    TV? Commercials wrecked it for me. I’ll watch the Patriots because they’re my team, watch the Redskins because they used to be, but nothing more, can’t devote 4 hours to a game anymore. Jesus, for commercials, they’ve stretched it an hour and a half over what it was when I was a kid, no sale, no more. A commercial stretch with a football game attached nearly as an afterthought.

    Blacklivesmatter? Not to me, nor does mine to them. We’re even.

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  82. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    EXACTLY

    The NFL will be fine. Basketball will overtake as the most popular sport (more diversity) but football will still be a major past of American culture

    Aren’t you two in adjacent cubicles?

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    Goodell went after Brady hard for Deflategate as a Bonfire of the Vanities-type move to overpunish the great white defendant when the NFL was beset by stories of really bad off-the-field behavior by black players. Goodell thought by going hard after Brady he could short-circuit talk that blacks were being "racistly" overpunished by the league.

    Except many people recognized that Deflategate was a mild football sin at best, and Brady's overpunishment really bothered most---why were wife beaters and murderers and child beaters being punished less or equal to a guy who mildly let air out of footballs---something that, according to all quarterbacks and head coaches asked about, would not have given Brady any significant advantage?

    Goodell dragged the league through federal court to get Brady. He almost got part of the CBA annulled as a result. Total SJW move there. Now he's doubling down on the anti-America, pro-black-crime protests. Ratings are falling, revenue is drying up, and the President himself is criticizing him. But he doubles down, as SJWs always do.

    Gooddell's an SJW and he and his inner circle are a liability to the NFL as no commissioner has been since, perhaps, the pre-merger days when the NFL refused to acknowledge the AFL.

    A group of good owners would have fired Gooddell after the Deflategate white witch hunt. That they didn't showed the owners are weak idiots. Once the NFL showed that Gooddell could let his social justice views rule the league, the anthem protesters were emboldened. Gooddell will never be satisfied, and will work to destroy the league. He is a cancer.

    , @whorefinder

    Aren’t you two in adjacent cubicles?
     
    Exactly. Glad someone else is catching on.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Laughed Out Loud. BTW, what is the threshold for this?

    These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox
     
    , @anonymous
    Yes, Corvinus and Tiny--two of the biggest t*ats posting here had a moment. Who would have thought. ...
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  83. Matra says:
    @Travis
    I am grateful to the NFL Commissioner for allowing the players to kneel and express their disdain for our National Anthem. Roger Goodell should be praised for exposing the hatred of so many NFL players. This has opened the eyes of many fans and another million people have cancelled their ESPN since September. With less people watching each week the NFL revenue will begin to decline , reducing the salaries of the players...

    hard to see how the NFL will continue to sell tickets to a dwindling number of white fans. The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy...in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60...and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

    The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy…in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60…and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

    Another potential problem is that older Gen Xers are probably the last generation to grow up passively watching TV, including the seemingly endless commercials that saturate every NFL game. Unless social media can come up with a way to hold their attention during games the younger generation will not develop the lifetime habit of watching three hour sporting events. (The average game has taken three and a half hours to complete in this year’s MLB playoffs).

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    Good point...and with ticket prices being much more costly today I will never take my kids to a MLB game ....while back when I was a child my father took me to multiple ball games every year...plus they often had day games which are rare today, my kids could not stay up to watch any baseball games today..
    , @The Alarmist
    IOW, tl;dw
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  84. @Tiny Duck
    whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good about your inevitable loss of primacy and privilege

    You are on a roll, you glorious anti-white quacker! Here’s more support for you…

    http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/burger-king-reveals-the-uncomfortable-truth-about-bullying-in-a-remarkable-in-store-stunt/

    Look at who the bullies are. White punks. And look at who the victims are. Lovable brown kids. And look at the kind adults who try to help. Not a pasty face in sight. Q.E. f**king D.

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    The new spot was directed by Smuggler all-star Henry-Alex Rubin
     
    Yes,

    Every . Single. Time.
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  85. Daniel H says:
    @DCThrowback
    There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams' all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    The Raiders had one of the most inept offensive performances of the season that day, tallying 127 yards of total offense. (The Raiders have one on the best offenses in the league, as evidenced by their 500 yd season saving performance against the KC Chiefs this past Thursday evening.) They got mashed by the Redskins 27-10.

    The whispers of that sort of thing would be deadly if it came out (which is why the reporter was told IF he reported it, he would lose team access to the Raiders forever).

    Carr suffered a fractured back (!) early in the team's next game and missed a couple of weeks healing up.

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-report-nfls-oakland-raiders-threw-game-after-white-qb-refused-to-kneel-for-national-anthem/

    >>There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    I believe this story to be true. NFL management (from coaches all the way to the top: owners and NFL management) has made a colossal unforced error. I have no pity for them. A little backbone and sense of appreciation for their fans, not to mention their country, would have nipped this kneeling nonsense in the bud.

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    The most important person on a football team is the quarterback. The most important person on the Raiders is Derek Carr.

    With a healthy Carr, the Raiders can win. With a broken Carr, they lose and lose big. (Evidence: the playoff loss last year w/out Carr, the reg. season games w/out Carr.)

    You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game, their chances of winning a division, their chances of winning a conference, and a shot at the Super Bowl, that they chose to risk serious injury to the ONE person who is most responsible for any glory or failure they will experience in their careers on this team?

    Further, you believe all this even though Carr and several of his linemen are close friends as well as teammates?

    Get outta here with that.
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  86. Boomstick says:

    “undermining team cohesion”

    The anthem-behavior outcome is more dislike by the fans rather than disruption of team cooperation. The players and teams are being ignored by the fans. The total audience was down nearly 20% last week.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-tv-television-ratings-down-numbers-national-anthem-protests/l2x7dhlkuubk1tbeftag9ttis

    Of course the SJW doesn’t care about actual factual outcomes. They’ll maybe start to realize outcomes after several years.

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  87. This guy claims to have approximately reverse engineered the QBR formula.

    It’s a year old, but might be a good starting point for anyone that wants to look into how ESPN changes the formula.

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  88. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Someone more knowledgable needs to factor tailgating into this.

    Its a big part of the college game. I don’t know about pro football.

    However, tailgating has gone over the top. It isn’t uncommon for females to tailgate and skip the game.

    Pro football became huge through television. That plus sports betting. A Super Bowl party’s core menu is still beer and chips. Much more, but I think it is one reason for the popularity of it among women. The culinary bar is so low, they can haul out their favorite comfort foods and no one will judge.

    The tailgating thing? I don’t know but it jumped the shark a while ago and has become too expensive and bothersome to try to compete.

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    football for us became just an excuse to drink and overeat. It was a very healthy move several years ago when we cut back on football... now we ignore it altogether... and we won't go back to the sedentary, fattening past. I enjoy just walking around the yard or playing with the cat to the NFL. And I can still sneak a drink if I want.
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  89. prole says:
    @Matra
    The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy…in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60…and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

    Another potential problem is that older Gen Xers are probably the last generation to grow up passively watching TV, including the seemingly endless commercials that saturate every NFL game. Unless social media can come up with a way to hold their attention during games the younger generation will not develop the lifetime habit of watching three hour sporting events. (The average game has taken three and a half hours to complete in this year's MLB playoffs).

    Good point…and with ticket prices being much more costly today I will never take my kids to a MLB game ….while back when I was a child my father took me to multiple ball games every year…plus they often had day games which are rare today, my kids could not stay up to watch any baseball games today..

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    Depends on which city you're near. Here in LA, I regularly get CHEAP tickets to the dodgers simply by going on Tickpick and StubHub and buying less-popular Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday night games. We are talking six bucks to twelve bucks.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I agree with you, prole, that night games, which is to say most games, are hard with littler kids and of course with any schoolnight. But there are typically Sunday one pm games everywhere we have lived.

    If you're in Boston or New York or to a lesser extent DC, the games are indeed usually quite unaffordable. Parking costs way too much, by itself, if you're near the stadium in those places, like thirty and forty bucks. But in other MLB cities, that is not the case.

    People love to complain and joke about twelve dollar beers and seven dollar hot dogs. Fine, so do I. But we have only ourselves to blame if we buy it. We are allowed to bring our food and water to the games and we usually do. We pay ten bucks for parking, which we split with a friend most of the time.

    The only things they nail us on is ice cream for the kiddies and, yes, the ridiculous merchandise, and that's our choice.
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  90. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anonymous
    Aren't you two in adjacent cubicles?

    Goodell went after Brady hard for Deflategate as a Bonfire of the Vanities-type move to overpunish the great white defendant when the NFL was beset by stories of really bad off-the-field behavior by black players. Goodell thought by going hard after Brady he could short-circuit talk that blacks were being “racistly” overpunished by the league.

    Except many people recognized that Deflategate was a mild football sin at best, and Brady’s overpunishment really bothered most—why were wife beaters and murderers and child beaters being punished less or equal to a guy who mildly let air out of footballs—something that, according to all quarterbacks and head coaches asked about, would not have given Brady any significant advantage?

    Goodell dragged the league through federal court to get Brady. He almost got part of the CBA annulled as a result. Total SJW move there. Now he’s doubling down on the anti-America, pro-black-crime protests. Ratings are falling, revenue is drying up, and the President himself is criticizing him. But he doubles down, as SJWs always do.

    Gooddell’s an SJW and he and his inner circle are a liability to the NFL as no commissioner has been since, perhaps, the pre-merger days when the NFL refused to acknowledge the AFL.

    A group of good owners would have fired Gooddell after the Deflategate white witch hunt. That they didn’t showed the owners are weak idiots. Once the NFL showed that Gooddell could let his social justice views rule the league, the anthem protesters were emboldened. Gooddell will never be satisfied, and will work to destroy the league. He is a cancer.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Tom is the White Whale and Goodell is Ahab. I so agree that the deflategate was some sort of virtue signaling to assuage the welcome back Vick and excuse Rice, and a ton of other guys, for all their bad behavior, for Goodell.

    What angers me most about all these ridiculous years of decline of NFL is: lets watch the game and let true athletes play; and, if athletes abuse women, animals, children - they're fired with no excuses.

    , @Hibernian
    Air pressure in football is like foreign substances on the ball in baseball. The length of the suspension can be legitimately argued but Brady committed a real offense.

    Sincerely yours,

    A Packer backer
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  91. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anonymous
    Aren't you two in adjacent cubicles?

    Aren’t you two in adjacent cubicles?

    Exactly. Glad someone else is catching on.

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  92. JohnnyD says:

    I’m sure ticket prices also have something to do with it. A decent seat is at least a couple hundred of dollars.

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  93. @Tiny Duck
    The NFL will be fine. Most young people (who are People of Color by the way) support the NFL. These are the future viewers and consumers

    This is just another example of the dying rages of the old white majority males who are not going to be the future and whose daughters are going to give birth to Children of Color

    I hope the Black players give the middle finger to racist white viewers and continue to kneel

    Dude, more young people today play video games than sports, and there is a growing industry streaming live game play that more and more young people, who are not just playing but are also in many cases merely watching, and are increasingly watching professional gamers in organising leagues for serious pro gamers. In other words, the NFL is facing serious competition for young eyeballs, many of whom no doubt perceive American Football to be the sport of their fathers or grandfathers.

    Your premiss is seriously flawed.

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  94. @Matra
    The average season ticket holder is a 45 year-old white guy…in 20 years there will be far fewer white males between the ages of 40-60…and most of them will have never played football when young. The current protests will do lasting damage and is the beginning of the end of the NFL

    Another potential problem is that older Gen Xers are probably the last generation to grow up passively watching TV, including the seemingly endless commercials that saturate every NFL game. Unless social media can come up with a way to hold their attention during games the younger generation will not develop the lifetime habit of watching three hour sporting events. (The average game has taken three and a half hours to complete in this year's MLB playoffs).

    IOW, tl;dw

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  95. Anon7 says:
    @Phil
    "On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion."

    --------

    Four weeks into the NFL season and four weeks from Election Day, amid an increasingly politicized league confronting on-field protests every Sunday, a straw poll of 43 players by B/R Mag shows:

    • 20 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
    • 2 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Donald J. Trump.
    •21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

    .....

    In a league that is predominantly black, but where anything-goes banter is encouraged and racial lines can be blurred, perhaps the most striking finding in the interviews over the course of the general election is what’s been left unsaid. “Black guys will talk about it to each other,” ESPN analyst and two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody said of Trump. “White guys may talk about it to each other. But I think white players will tap around it with black players.

    “The locker room normally isn’t politically correct,” Woody said. “I know from talking to players things are different when it comes to Trump.”

    Woody explained that white players were hesitant to talk about Trump because “a white player may parrot something Trump says, and the black player may think, ‘Oh, that’s how you feel?’ And it could cause problems.”

    Those problems are already unfolding across the NFL. In mid-May, as Trump became the presumptive nominee, two NFC teammates—a right-leaning offensive lineman and a left-leaning linebacker—began to re-examine their friendship because of Trump.

    They had known each other for four years. Their wives talked on occasion. Their kids sometimes played together. They sat next to each other in team meetings and went to dinner several times per month. They often joked that politics were off-limits because of their disparate viewpoints. Then, after their first offseason team workout in May, the lineman revealed he would be voting for Trump—and everything changed.

    The linebacker, a Clinton supporter, began finding excuses for not going to dinner. The families stopped talking. When the lineman confronted his now former friend, he recalls receiving a blunt response: I can’t be friends with anyone who would vote for Donald Trump. I’m sorry.

    http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

    Today’s Democrats demand “diversity” in the form of people with lots of different colors and clothing styles and genders, but they demand absolute ideological uniformity. If you deviate, they will shun you. I had to stay one of the “silent” Trump voters because my wife’s many Democrat cousins and colleagues would never have spoken to her again. No exaggeration.

    That’s a good article, but the fact that it talks about NFL players is almost irrelevant. This is how it works all over the country; in offices, in marriages, in families. The leftist Democrats are intolerant herd creatures who believe the Media Narrative completely. They’re the good guys and we’re the Deplorables and I can’t imagine what will change it.

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    duh, we already did change it - Trump.
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  96. Buck says:

    Any American man who wastes a Sunday being entertained by black men displaying athletic prowess while served Viagra commercials is a complete cuckold. Player cohesion is the least of the NFLs problem compared to low-T fans.

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  97. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Yes it is

    Their descendents will be here long after you are gone.

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    “Put that in your pipe and smoke it”

    Dats bein a funny jokes Tinys….. being what I said to you’n da other knight

    - Leonard Pitts

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  98. unit472 says:

    NFL salaries are based on recent revenue streams and it is the marginal revenue that defines a profit or loss. If revenues are down say 10% player salaries will have to be cut by a lot more because the other costs of an NFL franchise are more or less fixed.

    We should see the impact of falling revenues ( and I assume there must be some impact on TV revenue and season ticket sales) in the coming draft and the contracts top picks are offered.

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    Big if true. Can't wait for the tweets when these guys get pay cuts as a direct result of taking a knee.
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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If you are White, and go to an NFL game, aren’t you advertising the fact that you are a cuck?

    Not many want to do that.

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    I think anyone who uses the word "cuck" in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.
    , @lavoisier
    For sure today you are.
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  100. Lagertha says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

     

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain't Voting For These People:

    https://twitter.com/AngloGermanic/status/922220888933548032

    It’s not just non-college educated that will not vote for Democrats, but many college educated Millennials to senior citizens are rapidly changing their minds. It is the choke-hold of PC culture & the fear of offending someone who is a grievance collector…or offending some sort of identity; being accused of bigotry (happened to me recently; loved destroying them: because I am an immigrant) that frightens people. People are choosing to avoid angry, seething liberals (I call them hostiles) in vast numbers that are just growing. I wish there was an app/website to avoid restaurants/small businesses that are owned by hostiles – hint, hint.

    I run into a lot of random people on my dog walks, bike rides and activities. These days, to ease the pressure (and find out if someone is a hostile), I bring up random stuff to test their response: Texas, Snowden, college tuition, hunting season, California wildfires, etc….to check if I want to continue walking with them – I prefer solitude, but that’s not always possible. If I need to dig a little deeper: Milo, Ann, insurance for coastal properties in the Northeast, NFL protests :)

    So, Trump has a growing number of supporters, but people still keep it a secret. But, people do worry about their children’s or grandkids’ future. The accusations of everything being racist, and that white kids/Republicans/conservatives are all racists is inducing a fear and revulsion (fright and flight) that will be impossible to overcome. Division is permanent. People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

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    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    I must be repetitive again and again and say that open borders immigration enthusiast and Black Lives Matter supporter Hillary Clinton wanted to avoid, avoid, avoid Blacks and non-Whites so she moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York. White women voters rejected the stale, tired globaloney nonsense that Hillary Clinton was trying to sell. Hillary Clinton was pushing open borders mass immigration and globalization; white voters said no way.

    President Trump avoided showing much concern for accusations of racism and he stormed right into the White House. Blacks might have also avoided voting for Hillary Clinton because Trump was deemed non-threatening to many Blacks and he seemed to like Black celebrities.

    President Trump displayed a go-to-hell attitude that had great appeal for many White Core Americans, not just Whites Without College Degrees. 53 percent of White women voted for President Trump. But Hillary Clinton got the votes of 51 percent of White Women With College Degrees. Those gals may just be White lady teachers or other government workers and White broads in New York and California.

    The White frauds who run and fund the Democrat Party have made the decision to de-emphasize the White vote. The boobs in the Democrat Party are now actively attacking Whites as Whites and demonizing them. I don't see how that will attract more White voters.

    Katie Rogers of the New York Times writes:

    The data can be broken down further: 51 percent of white women with college degrees voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 62 percent of women without one voted for Mr. Trump, a reflection of his success with working-class whites.

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html
    , @Eugene Nics

    People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.
     
    Interesting. It's almost like people are bowling alone. Who could have predicted that?
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  101. Travis says:
    @tyrone
    Hey tiny you should start a campaign to bus inner city youth to fill those empty stadium seats ,deeds not words tiny , deeds.

    such actions may well result in even less fans in the stands…just as whites no longer go to the malls once too many blacks started going. Not many 45 year-old whites will enjoy sitting next to thousands of “youths”. They will not renew their season tickets. if the stands fill up with non-paying blacks siding with the kneeling players sitting for the national anthem and viewership will fall further.

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  102. @Bill
    This Pope seems pretty energetic.

    Bill, I don’t have my decoder ring. Energetic is a code word, right?

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    Heh. I'm saying he doesn't need a "breather." I was silent on the subject of how much like the anti-Christ he is. :)
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  103. @dc.sunsets
    Everywhere you look, you'll find a dinosaur of the last "we're all together" epoch actively engaged in seppuku.

    The "news media" destroy the credibility on which their very existence depends by issuing fake news and partisan bias so thick no knife could cut it.
    Universities turn their offerings into parodies of stupidity while raising their prices to orbit as a means of tapping credit availability through the "student conduit."
    Health authorities get caught hiding relevant safety data and critical conflicts of interest.

    Everywhere you look, people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet.

    Isn't a period of massive trend change fascinating to watch?

    dc, what a great line….”people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet.” Steve doesn’t Gold Box comments anymore , but that is praise worthy.

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  104. Svigor says:

    The dad replied, “I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me.”

    Nationalism! And probably antisemitism, too.

    Hey, no way you can support a pro sports league financially with just black viewers-customers, there are a lot fewer of them and they don’t spend money when they do have it. They also have a lot less of it anyway. NFL ratings would drop 80 percent if no whites watched, still more innumeracy from duck.

    Blacks spend everything they have, and then some.

    You are funny. The only support for NFL is black american descendants of slaves and their white trash oppressors.

    This comment is dead giveaway that you are trash, from a trashy population, in a trashy place.

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  105. @Tiny Duck
    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I'm looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past

    African immigrants are moving to the US in order to watch pro football? Mexican and Central American illegal immigrants are watching the NFL as well? What percentage would you guess watch the NFL? Not even one percent, and news flash, illegals aren’t overflowing with disposable income even if they were watching. You are hilarious, duck, and still a moron.

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  106. @black sea
    Professional athletes have a hard time adjusting to the fact that in the final analysis, they're just entertainers. As far as TV viewing goes, there are bound to a lot of people like me, who might watch a game if they're interested in the teams playing, but wouldn't really mind if the entire season were cancelled. There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.

    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that's fine with me; I'm not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.

    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

    black sea, the Pittsburgh Steelers hide in the tunnel and then hammer the lone player who came out for the anthem nailed it for me. It’s fall here. The leaves are in color. Wine country is beckoning. The salmon are in the streams. The Amish are harvesting their crops the old way. So much to do and my life goes on without football. Two weeks ago I attended a lacrosse tournament (D-II and D-III college teams) at Canton, Ohio. Great game lacrosse. Don’t need no stinking football.

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    I'm driving up to Youngstown, soon...and agree, upstate is awesome. Free yourself up to watch the college games..so many in NY.
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  107. @Clyde
    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player's athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that's not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    Clyde, treat yourself to a D-I college lacrosse game.

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  108. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Actually, I've always thought that it'll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt. 99.9% wouldn't know what the hell it was about - and wouldn't care. But every once in a while, some guy would see it, do a double-take and then give you the knowing nod.

    It'd be like a secret handshake.

    Citi, Note to Steve….sell nicely printed tee shirts here on line.

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    Seconded.
    , @Lagertha
    this does not seem like a thing Steve would do - but, the idea could be outsourced to one of you guys....then maybe :) Trust me on this: getting into slogan/org T-Shirt development for an event or statement is annoying - production and distribution/shipment is annoying. Steve is a CEO of 1 - the supreme ideal, and, I am guessing, he wants to keep his life simple....which is sort of a joke, I know!
    , @anon
    That would be like Fight Club T-Shirts.

    The first rule...
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  109. That is the real issue. The NFL was losing young people well before Kaepernick started kneeling. Fantasy football managed to keep kids somewhat interested, but even fantasy has lost its luster. Between the CET, the horrible pacing with all the commercials, salary caps and ” parity” turning rosters over every 3 years and the NFL’s inability to create any real stars since Brady and Manning, the game has been dying for years. Clever of Trump to try to ride the wave and get credit for the NFL’s downfall though.

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    The game has not been dying for years. But, agree that it will die in 50+ years because the hitting is too much/300lbs of force; helmets have not kept up with blunt force math; and, lastly, most parents will enroll their children in rugby and soccer - so much cheaper for equipment - much more egalitarian in all kids able to play.
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  110. AM says:
    @Corvinus
    "A pox on the house of the NFL."

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered--inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.

    No, more like a head cold. The product has suffered–inconsistent quarterback play, questionable officiating, star players injured. But people are still going to games, still buying merchandise, still playing Fantasy.

    And Clinton will be President. Nothing to see here. ;)

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  111. AM says:

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

    LOL when I got here.

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  112. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Barnard
    The announced attendance often times doesn't match up to the number of people who actually attend the games. Baseball is even worse at manipulating this, but these numbers are usually exaggerated. It is obvious the Chargers have not a full stadium for a home game yet this year, even though it only holds half the capacity of their old one.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.
     
    Packers had four games through week 7 both in 2016 and 2017. Cowboys had three both years.

    Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.
     
    Sportswriters have done this in several cities, including San Francisco and Cleveland. Stands are never close to full the entire game.

    Yeah, I think the chart is showing purchased tickets rather than attendance. There looked to be a decent number of empty seats at MetLife stadium yesterday during the Giants game, which that chart showed having an attendance of ~78k (which is probably about its capacity). Granted, the Giants were 1-5 going into the game, but it was also very nice weather for late October in this area: 70s and sunny.

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  113. @Lagertha
    It's not just non-college educated that will not vote for Democrats, but many college educated Millennials to senior citizens are rapidly changing their minds. It is the choke-hold of PC culture & the fear of offending someone who is a grievance collector...or offending some sort of identity; being accused of bigotry (happened to me recently; loved destroying them: because I am an immigrant) that frightens people. People are choosing to avoid angry, seething liberals (I call them hostiles) in vast numbers that are just growing. I wish there was an app/website to avoid restaurants/small businesses that are owned by hostiles - hint, hint.

    I run into a lot of random people on my dog walks, bike rides and activities. These days, to ease the pressure (and find out if someone is a hostile), I bring up random stuff to test their response: Texas, Snowden, college tuition, hunting season, California wildfires, etc....to check if I want to continue walking with them - I prefer solitude, but that's not always possible. If I need to dig a little deeper: Milo, Ann, insurance for coastal properties in the Northeast, NFL protests :)

    So, Trump has a growing number of supporters, but people still keep it a secret. But, people do worry about their children's or grandkids' future. The accusations of everything being racist, and that white kids/Republicans/conservatives are all racists is inducing a fear and revulsion (fright and flight) that will be impossible to overcome. Division is permanent. People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

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    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.
     
    It turns out that if you're #NeverTrump, you're pro-globalism and therefore anti-white. Sorry.

    Us pro-white Trump supporters don't ask that a restoration to social order come with a guy who pleases the manners of people who have next to none themselves. Bill Kristol is easily one of the more crass and insensitive people on the planet.
    , @Anonym
    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    His kids aren't exactly supported by welfare.
    , @Lagertha
    And, I'm sure you are the most moral man on the planet! - fouhgetaboudid. Get a life! Did it never occur to you that people don't care that Trump is obtuse, speaks funny, is awkward? He was chosen by a large consortium of people to run for President - he was the last chance.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.
     
    Right, because no true Scotsman would be pro-white and pro-Trump.
    , @Truth
    Not "Dutch"? He was divorced after all!
    , @Pericles
    It's funny you say that because the state apparatus frantically and unceasingly tries to find some dirt on Trump and never does. It has to be galling.
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  114. MBlanc46 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I haven't watched the NFL (or college football) for more than a decade unless invited as part of a group of friends, but isn't some of the problem with NFL quarterbacks that college teams don't run NFL-style offenses anymore?

    Haven't colleges switched to spread offenses where a fast black guy who can kind of throw is the QB? If that's the case, you'd have a tough time finding decent quarterbacks. Even the linemen wouldn't have experience in a traditional offense.

    I'm guessing that defenses in the NFL are too quick and better trained for a spread offense to work very well. Also, it puts your QB in harms way too often.

    Regardless, I now find it really odd that grown men devote so much of their lives (both time and emotion) to worshipping some guys playing a kid's game. I remember somebody once recounting a conversation that they had with their dad as a kid. He couldn't believe that his dad didn't care about the fate of the Yankees and, in particular, Mickey Mantle.

    The dad replied, "I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me."

    Lovely fall afternoons should be relished, not spent inside for four hours.

    And football shouldn’t be played in the summer or the winter.

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  115. @dsgntd_plyr

    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.
     
    that happened in one tournament a decade ago. france finished runner-up in last years european championship, and they're a world cup favorite.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)
     
    the dutch suck because they're best players are in their 30s. belgian has world class players at every position and are a world cup dark horse. swiss immigrants are overwhelmingly other europeans. there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland#Nationality

    > there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count:

    That’s by my calculation 94k too many. And a ridiculously high amount (>1% of the Swiss population) for a European nation, particularly one that is landlocked and has no history of involvement in the slave trade or colonialism whatsoever.

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    That’s by my calculation 94k too many. And a ridiculously high amount (>1% of the Swiss population) for a European nation, particularly one that is landlocked and has no history of involvement in the slave trade or colonialism whatsoever.
     
    If we did something crazy and assumed that the races developed and adapted to their physical environment, (most) of those same Africans are screwed completely if the Swiss ever stop being in charge.

    Europe, physically, as become something like Africa -- no need to plan ahead, no need to work the summer and not kill each other during a long winter. Food abundant year around. Heat and light the same.

    That appears to largely work in Africa. It will never in the physical environment that is Europe. They're dead the first winter (or late spring) if left to their own devices as a group.
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  116. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    In the past week, one black NFL player has been ejected for shoving a referee, and another shoved a coach on the sidelines. Granted, this isn’t as bad as what happened in the NBA last week, where a black player put a white teammate in the hospital with what was presumably a cheap shot.

    I think this hurts interest in the NFL too.

    Steve mentioned in a recent Taki article that one reason football appeals its military aspect:

    American football is beloved by Americans because it is a war game in which teams defend their home turf and methodically invade their opponents’ territory. It makes for an engrossing television spectacle because most people are interested in conquest.

    This is true, but we want to see civilized war, not pointless Chicago-style violence.

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    As the leagues show they too cowardly and weak to slam the SJW, anti-American, pro-black criminality evil, blacks are emboldened to act even worse. Never give an SJW an inch, they will take a mile through your weakness.
    , @Hibernian
    A ridiculous statement was put out by Fred Hoiberg that blamed both players, although blaming the thug who threw the sucker punch a little nore than his "teammate."
    , @Pericles
    NBA, lol. It takes me back to New Year's Day, 2010.


    NBA all-star Gilbert Arenas and his Washing ton Wizards teammate Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other in the team’s locker room during a Christmas Eve dispute over a gambling debt, The Post has learned. ...

    “I’m not your punk!” Crittenton shouted at Arenas, according to a league source close to the Wizards.

     

    http://nypost.com/2010/01/01/wizards-gilbert-arenas-and-javaris-crittenton-pull-pistols-on-each-other/

    Life's hard in the mean streets of the ghetto league.
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  117. @Lagertha
    It's not just non-college educated that will not vote for Democrats, but many college educated Millennials to senior citizens are rapidly changing their minds. It is the choke-hold of PC culture & the fear of offending someone who is a grievance collector...or offending some sort of identity; being accused of bigotry (happened to me recently; loved destroying them: because I am an immigrant) that frightens people. People are choosing to avoid angry, seething liberals (I call them hostiles) in vast numbers that are just growing. I wish there was an app/website to avoid restaurants/small businesses that are owned by hostiles - hint, hint.

    I run into a lot of random people on my dog walks, bike rides and activities. These days, to ease the pressure (and find out if someone is a hostile), I bring up random stuff to test their response: Texas, Snowden, college tuition, hunting season, California wildfires, etc....to check if I want to continue walking with them - I prefer solitude, but that's not always possible. If I need to dig a little deeper: Milo, Ann, insurance for coastal properties in the Northeast, NFL protests :)

    So, Trump has a growing number of supporters, but people still keep it a secret. But, people do worry about their children's or grandkids' future. The accusations of everything being racist, and that white kids/Republicans/conservatives are all racists is inducing a fear and revulsion (fright and flight) that will be impossible to overcome. Division is permanent. People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

    I must be repetitive again and again and say that open borders immigration enthusiast and Black Lives Matter supporter Hillary Clinton wanted to avoid, avoid, avoid Blacks and non-Whites so she moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York. White women voters rejected the stale, tired globaloney nonsense that Hillary Clinton was trying to sell. Hillary Clinton was pushing open borders mass immigration and globalization; white voters said no way.

    President Trump avoided showing much concern for accusations of racism and he stormed right into the White House. Blacks might have also avoided voting for Hillary Clinton because Trump was deemed non-threatening to many Blacks and he seemed to like Black celebrities.

    President Trump displayed a go-to-hell attitude that had great appeal for many White Core Americans, not just Whites Without College Degrees. 53 percent of White women voted for President Trump. But Hillary Clinton got the votes of 51 percent of White Women With College Degrees. Those gals may just be White lady teachers or other government workers and White broads in New York and California.

    The White frauds who run and fund the Democrat Party have made the decision to de-emphasize the White vote. The boobs in the Democrat Party are now actively attacking Whites as Whites and demonizing them. I don’t see how that will attract more White voters.

    Katie Rogers of the New York Times writes:

    The data can be broken down further: 51 percent of white women with college degrees voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 62 percent of women without one voted for Mr. Trump, a reflection of his success with working-class whites.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html

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    Agree. I'm basically, saying that the college educated women are starting to see the light (the ones who voted for Hillary, holding their nose) because the mainstream popular culture demonizes white males - their sons - (females to a lesser extent - but, there are lately, more psychopathic white female characters in movies and tv shows since my youth - one of the reason I do not like Mr. Robot). And, I agree that it is too late for any Democrat to get white voters back. And, white women, the ones I run into now, have discarded any feelings of shame about caring about the future of their children and grandchildren, and so on. White women, citizens of the USA, still care more about their own children than streams of random immigrants' children...that's just the nature of mammals...there's only so much time to live and nurture your children to survive after life leaves you.
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  118. @Clyde
    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player's athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that's not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    Clyde says soccer “players are running the whole game” no, they aren’t and they would be fools to do so. More like a lot of slow jogging and the handful of sprints that don’t cover much ground. An attacking midfielder does a lot of running compared to all other players. If everyone on the pitch were running all game then they would need to adopt ice hockey substitution patterns.

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  119. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    In the past week, one black NFL player has been ejected for shoving a referee, and another shoved a coach on the sidelines. Granted, this isn't as bad as what happened in the NBA last week, where a black player put a white teammate in the hospital with what was presumably a cheap shot.

    I think this hurts interest in the NFL too.

    Steve mentioned in a recent Taki article that one reason football appeals its military aspect:

    American football is beloved by Americans because it is a war game in which teams defend their home turf and methodically invade their opponents’ territory. It makes for an engrossing television spectacle because most people are interested in conquest.
     
    This is true, but we want to see civilized war, not pointless Chicago-style violence.

    https://twitter.com/CoronaLimeDFS/status/920431994412072960

    As the leagues show they too cowardly and weak to slam the SJW, anti-American, pro-black criminality evil, blacks are emboldened to act even worse. Never give an SJW an inch, they will take a mile through your weakness.

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  120. AM says:
    @AnotherDad
    > there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count:

    That's by my calculation 94k too many. And a ridiculously high amount (>1% of the Swiss population) for a European nation, particularly one that is landlocked and has no history of involvement in the slave trade or colonialism whatsoever.

    That’s by my calculation 94k too many. And a ridiculously high amount (>1% of the Swiss population) for a European nation, particularly one that is landlocked and has no history of involvement in the slave trade or colonialism whatsoever.

    If we did something crazy and assumed that the races developed and adapted to their physical environment, (most) of those same Africans are screwed completely if the Swiss ever stop being in charge.

    Europe, physically, as become something like Africa — no need to plan ahead, no need to work the summer and not kill each other during a long winter. Food abundant year around. Heat and light the same.

    That appears to largely work in Africa. It will never in the physical environment that is Europe. They’re dead the first winter (or late spring) if left to their own devices as a group.

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    Yeah, this is true. And as an "Ice Person" myself, I've always marveled at all the rabbits worrying about global warming. Guys, your fitness only increases with that.
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  121. AM says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    It turns out that if you’re #NeverTrump, you’re pro-globalism and therefore anti-white. Sorry.

    Us pro-white Trump supporters don’t ask that a restoration to social order come with a guy who pleases the manners of people who have next to none themselves. Bill Kristol is easily one of the more crass and insensitive people on the planet.

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  122. Whiskey says: • Website

    Dirty bargain between players and owners. Players don’t press cte collusion and criminal liability, owners accept an all Black league. Players, coaches, fans.

    Players union likely has the dirt on cte. Owners prefer a third of teams fail under all Black structure than all under cte lawsuit

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  123. @Jake
    They don't understand it. They assume that white Middle America will always back them religiously, so they can dump on white Middle America and kowtow to blacks. They expect a Win-Win for them to be permanent.

    The NFL thinks they are “too big to fail.” At least, up to now.

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  124. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    Yes it is

    Their descendents will be here long after you are gone.

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    The sons of [sub-saharan non-afrikaans] Africa are being ethically cleansed. News from my old school:

    University of Michigan |
    Resident librarian program focuses on building diversity

    By Lynne Raughley

    In September the Library welcomed three librarians who join the Library as part of a nationwide initiative to increase diversity within the ranks of academic and research libraries.

    Edras Rodriquez-Torres, Sheila Garcia and Jesus Espinoza have three-year appointments at the U-M Library as resident librarians, the first U-M Library cohort in a program that invests in the diversification of librarianship by supporting early career librarians from underrepresented communities and preparing them for leadership in the profession.

    “We are very pleased to welcome this group of promising librarians, and to engage in this effort to ensure excellence and increase diversity in the profession,” said Dean of Libraries James L. Hilton. He added that the program reflects the Library’s longstanding commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion as well as its recognition of a pressing need to implement solutions that will lead to tangible and measurable progress.

    To maximize the impact of the local program, the library joined the Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL) Diversity Alliance, which unites academic libraries committed to increasing the hiring pipeline of qualified, talented individuals from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups. “Being part of the alliance multiplies the effect of the program,” said Jeffery Witt, diversity and inclusion specialist . “It offers a network of committed institutions who can share knowledge and best practices, and offers our own resident librarians and extended cohort.”

    The resident librarians have been assigned to areas according to the library’s needs and their individual experience and career objectives. Rodriquez-Torres will join the International Studies team, while Garcia and Espinoza will spend their first year focusing on community engagement. All three will actively engage in various library initiatives, and will complete capstone projects as contributions to the profession.

    Espinoza has a Master of Library and Information Science (MLIS) from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Garcia and Rodriguez-Torres both received MLIS degrees from Wayne State University.

    Diversity is three white people with spanish surnames? I guess this passes the diversity test because the Wolverine State has so few sons of [sub-saharan non-afrikaans] Africa.

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  125. @GMR
    The official statistics for attendance don't show a great drop off this year:

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm

    That chart is a bit confusing since it puts away games in italics. Also, certain games in London (which has about 84K seats) are listed as home games for certain teams.

    It looks like Cleveland did have a drop off (from 67K to 59K yesterday).

    The LA Chargers attendance sucks for home games because their stadium sucks.

    Bear in mind that comparing aggregate attendance vs. last year isn't that useful for a couple of reasons:

    1) There were only 15 home games in week 1, as the Miami game was moved to later in the season due to the hurricane.

    2) The Chargers stadium seats ~25K while last year in San Diego, they could seat ~70K.

    3) Different mix of home and away games so far. GB and Dallas have much higher capacity than some other stadiums.

    On the other hand, there's been talk about how the NFL is giving away tickets to fill the stands. But apparently, the stands are being for the most part filled, although maybe not right at kickoff. Take a photo a few minutes into the second quarter to show empty stands, not at kickoff.

    The most important factor is TV audience, not stadium attendance.

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    Yes for money, but attendance is a relevant proxy for interest. If you are middle class, attending an NFL game is very, very expensive. Going demonstrates passion for the hobby. Losing those types of people is not healthy.
    , @prole
    Average ticket revenue + stadium concessions averages about $115 million per team..would be interesting to see how much this falls next year. The median profit for an NFL team is just $29 million.
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  126. Anonym says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    His kids aren’t exactly supported by welfare.

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    His kids aren’t exactly supported by welfare.

    They haven't done an honest days work in their lives. And government subsidies are the real-estate developer's bread and butter.
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  127. Pat Boyle says:
    @K. Lastima
    A pox on the house of the NFL

    I had been wondering for years when there would be the end of one or more of the common ‘big ticket’ sports (baseball, basketball or football). All three of these are nineteenth century sports. I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them. Maybe it’s finally happening.

    The last time I attended a live football game it was not a pleasant experience. The men arouind me were all drunk and spilled beer on me. They were loud and obnoxious. I had what should have been good seats but couldn’t see much.

    Football in the stadium also prevents identification of the players. Their heads and faces are covered. You can’t even get an idea of their bodies because they are wearing padding and armor. Moreover they switch out the teams very few minutes. You might try to follow a particular player but he is only on one of the three teams on the field – the offense, the defense and the special teams.

    If you watch on TV you at least have a cadre of commentators who try to explain to you what is going on. Half way up in the stands amid the beer guzzlers you can miss a lot.

    Then there is the racial issue. Most of the players are now black while most of the fans in the high priced seats are white. That wouldn’t be so bad except blacks are not well behaved. They tend to be rude and aggrieved most of the time. If there were more bigger, faster Japanese players – none of these behavioral issues would arise. But blacks are one of the big races and they have a lot of ‘fast twitch’ muscle fibers which translates into extra foot speed.

    A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.

    It would be something like “American Ninja Warrior”.

    Some personal injury lawyer is trying right now to get all contact football banned for health reasons. Or maybe the players will have to play covered in ‘bubble wrap’. There is a lot wrong with football – more than just the ugly behavior of the blacks.

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    I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them....A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.
     
    I would say that's the UFC. It's gone from a yahoo competition ("Can Kung Fu beat Karate?") to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high; collegiate and Olympic wrestlers (a white-dominated sport) now have a place to get paid for their skills, so long as they learn some striking and striking defense. The percentage of yellows and higher-case south Americans are also much higher than in other U.S. sports.

    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill, since whites, upper-caste browns, and yellows are the big stars, while blacks, who have made some inroads, are much lower in percentage than the NBA or NFL.

    A smart move now by the UFC and MLS would be to take the current anti-NFL thing and make a push. Unfortunately, MLS is tightly interwoven with the NFL--most MLS teams play in football stadiums, and at least one MLS owner (Robert Kraft) also owns the Patriots. So it's likely any attempt now by them to catch up to the NFL would be squashed behind the scenes.

    So the UFC should make a push now, and emphasize patriotism when they do it.

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it's a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such. But the NHL wants to be the NBA-lite and resigned itself to minor league status by installing David Stern protege Gary Bettman and clamping down on fighting and assigning policemen to big stars and allowing the trap zone style to dominate too long and putting helmets on everyone (blocking the players from recognition) and making the regular season meaningless and idiot gimmicks such as the all-star game teams. I don't think one owner in the NHL has enough brains or ambition to see the opportunity in front of them, so I don't bother saying they could do it.

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  128. @Eugene Nics
    I've never been an NFL fan. The games are boring, and now that I've grown up, sports that have nothing to do with my life are for the most part boring. I enjoy the occasional Olympics or game in the background.

    I'm more fascinated with the NFL now than ever before. The schadenfreude has been enjoyable. I agree with the guy above hoping they continue to kneel. This has been fun.

    I recall a passage in the late sports columnist Jim Murray’s autobiography. Murray had formerly covered Hollywood and wrote how actors and actresses understood the concept of making public appearances to promote a film.

    In other words, get the public on your side.

    Murray wrote that pro athletes, football in particular, didn’t understand that the fans payed their salaries. The owners signed the checks but fan interest produced the money.

    I recall around 1970 baseball HOF pitcher Bob Gibson declared “The fans don’t pay my salary. Gussie Busch does.” Gibson was giving his reason for not being exactly fan-friendly.

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    Murray wrote that pro athletes, football in particular, didn’t understand that the fans payed their salaries. The owners signed the checks but fan interest produced the money.

    I recall around 1970 baseball HOF pitcher Bob Gibson declared “The fans don’t pay my salary. Gussie Busch does.” Gibson was giving his reason for not being exactly fan-friendly.
     

    Actors/actresses largely have to get into the business on their own; there are no free "acting" camps that train them up to be stars, they have to pay the whole way. They struggle at menial employment working towards a big break that often never comes, and have little to show for their lives if they haven't hit it big by 30 or 40. As Weinstein shows, some of them pay via the casting couch. They live in poverty and misery and exploitation most of the time climbing up the ladder, as any movie about a struggling actor will illustrate.

    What's more, by the time they get to the big time they know they can be tossed aside in a flash and are thus so desperate to remain in the good graces of the studio bosses they will say whatever the bosses demand and keep quiet when needed, hence why many of these actresses didn't speak out on Weinstein even years after they had established themselves independent of him. And why also much of Hollywood speaks in groupthink: they are mouthing the words their bosses told them to, whether it be in a public appearance on behalf of a film or at a Dem fundraiser.

    And the studios order them to be nice to the common folk and do promotions for films, and they do it, terrified of losing the elusive fame they now have. Note how the few actors who have reputations as "surly" are usually those few who refuse/dislike doing promotion at the studio's command, such as DiCaprio or Russell Crowe.

    Black athletes these days are recruited early in their teens for basketball and football and sent to free camps and put on travel teams and given passes through academia and the law and such. from roughly the age of 15-onwards they are treated as a star. Thus they get a lot more prima donna-ish because they never had to struggle for their career; their anatomy made it all happen as a youth.

    In short, being handed everything early makes athletes a lot less grateful/obedient to the people who made them than the actors who become famous. Or, perhaps another way: being a prima donna your whole life has a corrupting influence on your ego and behavior.

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  129. Hrw-500 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. Africa has explosive birth rates. They will immigrate here

    2. People of Color (not just Blacks) support the kneelers and decry white racism

    3. whites are dwindling

    4. white girls are giving birth to Children of Color

    I'm looking to the future when whites will have no power and People of Color will have all the wealth and influence

    You are stuck in the past

    American Renaissance posted some articles in 2015 and 2016 about an African planet.

    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/07/an-african-planet/

    https://www.amren.com/features/2016/01/an-african-planet-part-ii/

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  130. Flip says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Everywhere you look, you'll find a dinosaur of the last "we're all together" epoch actively engaged in seppuku.

    The "news media" destroy the credibility on which their very existence depends by issuing fake news and partisan bias so thick no knife could cut it.
    Universities turn their offerings into parodies of stupidity while raising their prices to orbit as a means of tapping credit availability through the "student conduit."
    Health authorities get caught hiding relevant safety data and critical conflicts of interest.

    Everywhere you look, people at the apex of their pyramid are actively jackhammering the stone beneath their own feet.

    Isn't a period of massive trend change fascinating to watch?

    I think it is a combination of greed and the loss of civic responsibility due to the increased racial and ethnic diversity of the country. When most people were of European descent, there was a feeling that other Americans were your countrymen. Now the US has become a “polyglot boarding house” as Theodore Roosevelt said.

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  131. @Lagertha
    It's not just non-college educated that will not vote for Democrats, but many college educated Millennials to senior citizens are rapidly changing their minds. It is the choke-hold of PC culture & the fear of offending someone who is a grievance collector...or offending some sort of identity; being accused of bigotry (happened to me recently; loved destroying them: because I am an immigrant) that frightens people. People are choosing to avoid angry, seething liberals (I call them hostiles) in vast numbers that are just growing. I wish there was an app/website to avoid restaurants/small businesses that are owned by hostiles - hint, hint.

    I run into a lot of random people on my dog walks, bike rides and activities. These days, to ease the pressure (and find out if someone is a hostile), I bring up random stuff to test their response: Texas, Snowden, college tuition, hunting season, California wildfires, etc....to check if I want to continue walking with them - I prefer solitude, but that's not always possible. If I need to dig a little deeper: Milo, Ann, insurance for coastal properties in the Northeast, NFL protests :)

    So, Trump has a growing number of supporters, but people still keep it a secret. But, people do worry about their children's or grandkids' future. The accusations of everything being racist, and that white kids/Republicans/conservatives are all racists is inducing a fear and revulsion (fright and flight) that will be impossible to overcome. Division is permanent. People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

    People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.

    Interesting. It’s almost like people are bowling alone. Who could have predicted that?

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    haha! Hmmm? bowling - I just decided to join a league of senior citizens (co-ed! :) ) because I don't want bowling to die in our town - and it's not too far from my house. I'm actually, pretty good at bowling, and, I love seniors - great stories. I've always, always, always loved senior citizens.
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  132. @Charles Pewitt
    Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

     

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain't Voting For These People:

    https://twitter.com/AngloGermanic/status/922220888933548032

    What the hell is that thing to the right of clown hat?

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    Rosie de Lauro
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  133. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Pat Boyle
    I had been wondering for years when there would be the end of one or more of the common 'big ticket' sports (baseball, basketball or football). All three of these are nineteenth century sports. I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them. Maybe it's finally happening.

    The last time I attended a live football game it was not a pleasant experience. The men arouind me were all drunk and spilled beer on me. They were loud and obnoxious. I had what should have been good seats but couldn't see much.

    Football in the stadium also prevents identification of the players. Their heads and faces are covered. You can't even get an idea of their bodies because they are wearing padding and armor. Moreover they switch out the teams very few minutes. You might try to follow a particular player but he is only on one of the three teams on the field - the offense, the defense and the special teams.

    If you watch on TV you at least have a cadre of commentators who try to explain to you what is going on. Half way up in the stands amid the beer guzzlers you can miss a lot.

    Then there is the racial issue. Most of the players are now black while most of the fans in the high priced seats are white. That wouldn't be so bad except blacks are not well behaved. They tend to be rude and aggrieved most of the time. If there were more bigger, faster Japanese players - none of these behavioral issues would arise. But blacks are one of the big races and they have a lot of 'fast twitch' muscle fibers which translates into extra foot speed.

    A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.

    It would be something like "American Ninja Warrior".

    Some personal injury lawyer is trying right now to get all contact football banned for health reasons. Or maybe the players will have to play covered in 'bubble wrap'. There is a lot wrong with football - more than just the ugly behavior of the blacks.

    I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them….A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.

    I would say that’s the UFC. It’s gone from a yahoo competition (“Can Kung Fu beat Karate?”) to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high; collegiate and Olympic wrestlers (a white-dominated sport) now have a place to get paid for their skills, so long as they learn some striking and striking defense. The percentage of yellows and higher-case south Americans are also much higher than in other U.S. sports.

    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill, since whites, upper-caste browns, and yellows are the big stars, while blacks, who have made some inroads, are much lower in percentage than the NBA or NFL.

    A smart move now by the UFC and MLS would be to take the current anti-NFL thing and make a push. Unfortunately, MLS is tightly interwoven with the NFL–most MLS teams play in football stadiums, and at least one MLS owner (Robert Kraft) also owns the Patriots. So it’s likely any attempt now by them to catch up to the NFL would be squashed behind the scenes.

    So the UFC should make a push now, and emphasize patriotism when they do it.

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it’s a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such. But the NHL wants to be the NBA-lite and resigned itself to minor league status by installing David Stern protege Gary Bettman and clamping down on fighting and assigning policemen to big stars and allowing the trap zone style to dominate too long and putting helmets on everyone (blocking the players from recognition) and making the regular season meaningless and idiot gimmicks such as the all-star game teams. I don’t think one owner in the NHL has enough brains or ambition to see the opportunity in front of them, so I don’t bother saying they could do it.

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    I would say that’s the UFC. It’s gone from a yahoo competition (“Can Kung Fu beat Karate?”) to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high;
     
    Then somebody better tell them caucasoids to start protesting the anthem...

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/23/16016932/ufc-on-fox-25-does-lowest-overnight-ratings-in-series-history
     
    http://www.lowkickmma.com/featured/five-reasons-ufc-ratings-are-tanking-in-2017/


    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill,
     
    The advertisers have spoken, Old Sport... They want it to STAY abroad...

    http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/04/06/mls-tv-ratings-8-percent-compared-last-season/

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it’s a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such.
     
    I'm thinking we should go for a hat trick*

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-ratings-hit-new-lows-nbc-regular-season-201324298.html


    How about a "golden sombrero" of white sports...

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

    Is there a sports cliche that aligns with 5? I can't think of one. Anyway, here you go, 5, 6, 7 and 8...

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-putting-f1-s-tv-ratings-decline-in-context-846767/

    http://awfulannouncing.com/racing/nascar-opens-2017-playoffs-lowest-rated-postseason-race-ever.html

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Roger_Federer/45629/wimbledon-final-federercilic-tv-ratings-were-worse-than-expected/

    Well now, Buddy, the news is not all bad though. There is one major sport that is doing BOFFO ratings with the white folk...

    http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-cavalers-win-nba-opener-ratings-up-over-2016-warriors-rockets-celtics-cubs-nba-mlb-tnt-tbs-1202190519/

    ...So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.

    *Get it? "hat trick". It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have shitty ratings, double entendre.

    It's all good Old Bean, one of these days we'll have a drink and I'll explain "icing" and where the "blue line" is.
    , @Jack Hanson
    UFC is going to supplant boxing, because ultimately the buck stops with Dana White. The driver for boxing is goosing PPV sales by advertising "the Rematch!" after nameless judges call a draw, the recent GGG v Canelo match being the most recent example of this.
    , @StillCARealist
    Soccer is having the same concussion problem as football. At least that's the perception. Kids aren't allowed to head the ball in our league until U16. My guess is that they will move that age up.

    My own experience with heading the ball was that it was painful and jarring until I was an adult. Looking back it's surprising that the coaches encouraged it and taught it to little girls. It was still plenty of fun and good exercise without the headers.
    , @ATX Hipster
    Problems with hockey in the United States are:

    1) Gear and ice time are prohibitively expensive for many, so even if kids want to play hockey it will never be as widely played by kids as other sports, which means it will always have fewer future adult fans buying tickets and fewer people capable of explaining the game to others to popularize it.

    2) It's hard for newbies to understand what's going on, especially watching on TV - the puck is small and moves quickly. People get confused by off-sides and icing calls, and often the puck isn't even what you need to be watching to have a sense of what's about to happen. Usually it's necessary for somebody knowledgeable to be present to explain what's happening, but since most Americans don't have many friends that are into hockey, new fans are left to figure it out on their own. But that's work, and people don't watch sports to mentally exert themselves.


    There's been some pushback against the clampdown on fighting on the premise it's increased head injuries due to enforcers being less able to use the threat of a beatdown to protect skill players. More fighting might lead to higher ticket sales, but I don't see hockey getting much more popular than it already is unless we start getting mass Canadian and Swedish migration.
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  134. carol says:
    @Phil
    "On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion."

    --------

    Four weeks into the NFL season and four weeks from Election Day, amid an increasingly politicized league confronting on-field protests every Sunday, a straw poll of 43 players by B/R Mag shows:

    • 20 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
    • 2 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Donald J. Trump.
    •21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

    .....

    In a league that is predominantly black, but where anything-goes banter is encouraged and racial lines can be blurred, perhaps the most striking finding in the interviews over the course of the general election is what’s been left unsaid. “Black guys will talk about it to each other,” ESPN analyst and two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody said of Trump. “White guys may talk about it to each other. But I think white players will tap around it with black players.

    “The locker room normally isn’t politically correct,” Woody said. “I know from talking to players things are different when it comes to Trump.”

    Woody explained that white players were hesitant to talk about Trump because “a white player may parrot something Trump says, and the black player may think, ‘Oh, that’s how you feel?’ And it could cause problems.”

    Those problems are already unfolding across the NFL. In mid-May, as Trump became the presumptive nominee, two NFC teammates—a right-leaning offensive lineman and a left-leaning linebacker—began to re-examine their friendship because of Trump.

    They had known each other for four years. Their wives talked on occasion. Their kids sometimes played together. They sat next to each other in team meetings and went to dinner several times per month. They often joked that politics were off-limits because of their disparate viewpoints. Then, after their first offseason team workout in May, the lineman revealed he would be voting for Trump—and everything changed.

    The linebacker, a Clinton supporter, began finding excuses for not going to dinner. The families stopped talking. When the lineman confronted his now former friend, he recalls receiving a blunt response: I can’t be friends with anyone who would vote for Donald Trump. I’m sorry.

    http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

    “I see Trump as someone who is hostile to people of color

    For the life of me, I don’t know where this comes from. Did I miss something, or is the hostility just assumed? Is it a rare case of solidarity with Mexicans? Or is it a Muslim thing?

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  135. guest says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

     

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain't Voting For These People:

    https://twitter.com/AngloGermanic/status/922220888933548032

    Is that 1970s Tranny Lincoln (Abra Lincoln?) on the right? (Crouching down, presumably.)

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  136. Just cut the cord, and give up on the NFL. You know prior to 1960, most Americans didn’t really care about the NFL. That’s why Green Bay got a NFL franchise.

    Lets just go back to 1960. NBA? Just a game for mid-western cities like Fort Wayne and Minneapolis and a few people in Boston and NY. The NFL – a game for people who couldn’t root for a good college football team.

    Football didn’t replace Baseball as “America’s Game” until the mid 1960s.

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    Green Bay got its franchise in 1921 and played against such metropolitan teams as the Canton Bulldogs and the Rock Island Independents (a stone's throw across the Mississippi from my home town) in the 1920s. They kept the franchise through the fanaticism of the people of Green Bay, the genius of Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi, and playing some games in Milwaukee from about 1933-1994. (From the early 30s to the mid 50s it was half of home games.) The charter of Green Bay Packers Inc. makes it virtually impossible for outside interests to buy and move the Packers.

    The two-home-games-in-Milwaukee arrangement ended when baseball only Miller Park replaced dual use Milwaukee County Stadium. By that time roads had improved to the point that it's not such a big chore to get from Milwaukee to Green Bay, about 100 miles.

    The Packers are a state wide Wisconsin team as much as a local team. Maps of team loyalty show that the Packer-Bear divide is right on the Illinois-Wisconsin border. The Packers pick up a few counties in Northeastern Iowa and cede a few counties near the Twin Cities to the Vikings.

    As a side note, at the inception of pro football right after WW1 the Bears were originally the Decatur Staleys for a year or two before they moved to Chicago.
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  137. whorefinder says: • Website
    @David In TN
    I recall a passage in the late sports columnist Jim Murray's autobiography. Murray had formerly covered Hollywood and wrote how actors and actresses understood the concept of making public appearances to promote a film.

    In other words, get the public on your side.

    Murray wrote that pro athletes, football in particular, didn't understand that the fans payed their salaries. The owners signed the checks but fan interest produced the money.

    I recall around 1970 baseball HOF pitcher Bob Gibson declared "The fans don't pay my salary. Gussie Busch does." Gibson was giving his reason for not being exactly fan-friendly.

    Murray wrote that pro athletes, football in particular, didn’t understand that the fans payed their salaries. The owners signed the checks but fan interest produced the money.

    I recall around 1970 baseball HOF pitcher Bob Gibson declared “The fans don’t pay my salary. Gussie Busch does.” Gibson was giving his reason for not being exactly fan-friendly.

    Actors/actresses largely have to get into the business on their own; there are no free “acting” camps that train them up to be stars, they have to pay the whole way. They struggle at menial employment working towards a big break that often never comes, and have little to show for their lives if they haven’t hit it big by 30 or 40. As Weinstein shows, some of them pay via the casting couch. They live in poverty and misery and exploitation most of the time climbing up the ladder, as any movie about a struggling actor will illustrate.

    What’s more, by the time they get to the big time they know they can be tossed aside in a flash and are thus so desperate to remain in the good graces of the studio bosses they will say whatever the bosses demand and keep quiet when needed, hence why many of these actresses didn’t speak out on Weinstein even years after they had established themselves independent of him. And why also much of Hollywood speaks in groupthink: they are mouthing the words their bosses told them to, whether it be in a public appearance on behalf of a film or at a Dem fundraiser.

    And the studios order them to be nice to the common folk and do promotions for films, and they do it, terrified of losing the elusive fame they now have. Note how the few actors who have reputations as “surly” are usually those few who refuse/dislike doing promotion at the studio’s command, such as DiCaprio or Russell Crowe.

    Black athletes these days are recruited early in their teens for basketball and football and sent to free camps and put on travel teams and given passes through academia and the law and such. from roughly the age of 15-onwards they are treated as a star. Thus they get a lot more prima donna-ish because they never had to struggle for their career; their anatomy made it all happen as a youth.

    In short, being handed everything early makes athletes a lot less grateful/obedient to the people who made them than the actors who become famous. Or, perhaps another way: being a prima donna your whole life has a corrupting influence on your ego and behavior.

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    One of my neighbors, the father of a high school boy (white) devoted to playing basketball, told me that his son has started receiving offers to play on professional teams. Eyeing a possible future of fame for the lad, I am tempted to ask for an autographed photo. I feel, however, that for me to do that would be to tacitly sanction such a career for this boy. And that, I do not feel I can do in good conscience.

    Why? The degenerate anti-white, anti-American culture, mentioned in many of the comments, that appears to now prevail in professional basketball (football, too) and the corrupting influence of said culture. I hadn't thought of the prima donna concern that you mentioned.

    I wonder if the kid's parents have begun saving and preserving all of his clothing, notes and letters in his handwriting, etc. Just imagine, should the boy become famous one day, how valuable such artifacts would almost certainly be.
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  138. Anon87 says:

    OT – Man Indicted in Firebomb Attacks Aimed at NYC Muslims

    Federal authorities in New York today unsealed an indictment accusing a 40-year-old man dubbed the “Frappucino firebomber” with hate crimes for New Year’s Day Molotov-cocktail attacks on a mosque and a Hindu temple in Queens. Ray Lazier Lengend, ……

    You’d think this hate crime would be done by an angry white man. BUT

    also known as Suraj Poonai, told police he intended to kill “as many Muslims and Arabs as possible” by throwing firebombs inside the places of worship, the New York Daily News reported shortly after the suspect’s Jan. 3 arrest.

    This “Queens man” is actually from Ghana.

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    A "Honduran national" planned to blow up a Miami shopping mall for IS. Barely cracking national news.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/honduran-citizen-charged-attempting-use-explosive-device-popular-miami-mall

    Now someone drawing backwards swastikas on a black's house, that's a national news story!
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  139. Hibernian says:
    @vinny
    I imagine ratings in San Diego and St Louis are down quite a bit from a couple years ago.

    My sister and brother-in-law in St. L. are outraged at the behavior of Stan Kroenke. The threat and the carrying out of the threat.

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  140. Hibernian says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    In the past week, one black NFL player has been ejected for shoving a referee, and another shoved a coach on the sidelines. Granted, this isn't as bad as what happened in the NBA last week, where a black player put a white teammate in the hospital with what was presumably a cheap shot.

    I think this hurts interest in the NFL too.

    Steve mentioned in a recent Taki article that one reason football appeals its military aspect:

    American football is beloved by Americans because it is a war game in which teams defend their home turf and methodically invade their opponents’ territory. It makes for an engrossing television spectacle because most people are interested in conquest.
     
    This is true, but we want to see civilized war, not pointless Chicago-style violence.

    https://twitter.com/CoronaLimeDFS/status/920431994412072960

    A ridiculous statement was put out by Fred Hoiberg that blamed both players, although blaming the thug who threw the sucker punch a little nore than his “teammate.”

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    I saw one saying the thug was "a good kid". He should be in jail.

    It had to be a sucker punch. No way a professional athlete gets that injured by a punch he sees coming. You don't see those kinds of injuries in a typical basketball fight.
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  141. @Clyde
    Professional European soccer is too boring to watch but you have to admire their athleticism and aerobic fitness. I respect the soccer player's athleticism more than our home grown football behemoths. At 300+lbs offensive/defensive lines crashing into each other. Yeah I know that's not all there is to football. I played touch football when I younger.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous. The players are running the entire game. They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous.

    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running. Corners, goal kicks, free kicks (especially heavily disputed ones, or ones involving Mediterranean-pioneered feigned injuries), even some throw-ins, all afford an opportunity to catch your breath.

    They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.

    They are so scrawny though. I think Australian Rules Football players have the best combination of physique and fitness.

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    Yeah: Aussie Rules is pretty great in just about every way. Generally speaking, I'd much rather watch that than American football.
    , @whorefinder

    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running.
     
    The dirtiest open thing about pro soccer is how the referees have a "secret" clock on their wrists that they stop and start. It's called "injury time." Basically, whenever a player has (or fakes) an injury on the field, the ref supposedly notes the time play was stopped and adds that to the final tally, hence why the "90 minutes of football" sometimes goes to 95 or 100 minutes. But no one is allowed to know that mysterious time but the ref.

    Of course that raises the question: why not just link the ref's clock with the official clock the players and fans can see? Well, you see, shut up, flow of the game, tradition. Move on!

    MLS actually tried that---linking the ref's injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently "some" people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA "injury time" thing.

    It's not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player. Shades of the '72 Olympic basketball finals, but it literally happens in every soccer game.

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  142. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I haven't watched the NFL (or college football) for more than a decade unless invited as part of a group of friends, but isn't some of the problem with NFL quarterbacks that college teams don't run NFL-style offenses anymore?

    Haven't colleges switched to spread offenses where a fast black guy who can kind of throw is the QB? If that's the case, you'd have a tough time finding decent quarterbacks. Even the linemen wouldn't have experience in a traditional offense.

    I'm guessing that defenses in the NFL are too quick and better trained for a spread offense to work very well. Also, it puts your QB in harms way too often.

    Regardless, I now find it really odd that grown men devote so much of their lives (both time and emotion) to worshipping some guys playing a kid's game. I remember somebody once recounting a conversation that they had with their dad as a kid. He couldn't believe that his dad didn't care about the fate of the Yankees and, in particular, Mickey Mantle.

    The dad replied, "I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me."

    Lovely fall afternoons should be relished, not spent inside for four hours.

    I remember somebody once recounting a conversation that they had with their dad as a kid. He couldn’t believe that his dad didn’t care about the fate of the Yankees and, in particular, Mickey Mantle.

    The dad replied, “I care as much about Mickey Mantle as Micky Mantle cares about me.”

    This was in A Bronx Tale.

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  143. @dsgntd_plyr
    just realized "David Sills V. Lane Kiffin," could be mistakenly read as one name, or a lawsuit. the player's name is David Sills V.

    I thought it was the name of a court case.

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  144. @Barnard
    NFL tickets are ridiculously expensive, even for the bad teams. A lot of tickets have been purchased by businesses and given away as perks for years. It would be interesting to see data on what percentage for each team is purchased by individual fans versus corporations.

    If a regular fan already paid for their tickets before the season started, they will probably still use them, even if they are mad about the protests. We may have reached the point where attending an NFL game is such an unattractive proposition for most fans that they don't even want the free tickets being offered at the office. This is not an easy problem for the league to fix, even if they could end all the protests tomorrow. The owners and Roger Goodell don't even act like they understand it.

    The owners and Roger Goodell don’t even act like they understand it.

    Goodell handled this situation in a ridiculously–because unnecessary–poor manner.

    Faced with Trump’s tweet he could have simply gone free-speechy:
    – The NFL loves America and our rights as Americans.
    – An American value is free-speech, and our players have the right to free speech–to speak out on the social issues of the day–even if their manner is not one we in the league approve of.
    – Free speech also includes the right of others–including the President–to critique our speech, and the manner of expressing it. And in turn for others to disagree with that critique.
    – The NFL encourages all its players and coaches and fans to stand for our national anthem to show our unity and loyalty as Americans.

    Why Goodell thought it was a good idea to unnecessarily go out of his way to antagonize a good portion of his fan base which actually pays the bills, is beyond me. It’s the fans, not the particular players–and in particular black players–who are critical to the NFL being an ongoing concern.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    the money is still set from the networks for this year - so, less fans in the stands is not a factor for a profit deficit. Crap...I should just stop chirping...I have commented waaaaay too much for this Steve's post - apologies.
    , @Chase
    Who is more important to the ongoing success of the NFL, seriously? Tom Brady, or *every single black player who has knelt during the anthem combined*? Hell, I'd go so far as to say that Peyton Manning is more critical to the long-term viability of the NFL and he isn't even currently associated with the league.
    , @Marty T
    I agree with this. That response would have confused trump. Taking the high road would have quieted Trump down. Instead, the league stupidly lashed out, attacking their fans in the process.
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  145. @JerryC
    Interesting that the NBA isn't going to tolerate any anthem protests. Their fan base is a lot blacker than the NFL's, and the white fans they do have are, one would think, more in tune with the BLM agenda than white NFL fans are. I mean, if you're an NBA fan, you've already gone black and you're not going back. Still, NBA management wants no part of this protest theater.

    Interesting that the NBA isn’t going to tolerate any anthem protests.

    Yes, I noticed this too. Even more interesting is, so far as I can see, the lack of comment on this from NBA players, loudmouth amateur-politico coaches such as Steve Kerr and Greg Popovich, sports pundits such as Jemelle Hill, and frankly anybody else.

    This indicates that, no matter what they say publicly, most of those involved in Big Sports understand deep down that the NFL is in real trouble, and they’re not willing to risk another of their cultural bastions fighting the same war.

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  146. Ed says:
    @A1
    You are funny. The only support for NFL is black american descendants of slaves and their white trash oppressors.

    Black Africans, all brown people and upper middle class whites are soccer or baseball. You must not know many people of colour.

    The NFL has several African players from Nigeria & Ghana. In fact there was a big write up early in the season about the Nigerian & Nigerian American players in the league and how the coaches like their worth ethic & discipline.

    Haitian players have been a big force in South Florida football for years now.

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    This is happening in other sports too - most of the fans are white while an increasing percentage of the players are black. But they are foreign blacks too!

    We could end up in a position where one's 'local' team is 100% black, 100% foreign born and theoretically 100% non-English speaking. Any whites still watching will have to be some new mutant strain of mega cuck.

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  147. @dsgntd_plyr

    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.
     
    that happened in one tournament a decade ago. france finished runner-up in last years european championship, and they're a world cup favorite.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don’t know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)
     
    the dutch suck because they're best players are in their 30s. belgian has world class players at every position and are a world cup dark horse. swiss immigrants are overwhelmingly other europeans. there are about 94k african permanent residents in switzerland at least count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Switzerland#Nationality

    Check out the Swiss national team’s wiki page. I visually identify 6 out of 23 on that list as African. Can’t wait to see what it looks like in 20 years.

    Anti-racists = scum of the earth.

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  148. Football is cucked. Why don’t the cheerleaders just strip already and the concession stands serve curried goat?

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  149. @Prof. Woland
    I was thinking the same thing but perhaps it is the white quarterbacks that are purposefully throwing the games in order to get revenge. After all, who is in a better position? No one would suspect them because white people are nice.

    I was thinking the same thing but perhaps it is the white quarterbacks that are purposefully throwing the games in order to get revenge. After all, who is in a better position? No one would suspect them because white people are nice.

    Doubtful. A poor QB performance is bad for the QB’s ego and the “revenge” it permits is too indirect. Whereas a lineman letting a defensive player slip by him gets the satisfaction of seeing the white QB on his ass.

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  150. @Tiny Duck
    Yes it is

    Their descendents will be here long after you are gone.

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone

    Stats show that that doesn’t happen nearly as often with blacks as you think (or pretend), but yes, in general, the assumption must be that blonde hair (and other white traits) will eventually become extinct.

    White racists will still get the last laugh from beyond the grave though, since most non-black POC have no great love at all for the Sons of Africa.

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    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation. No one else will feed, clothe or medicate them and either they will be declared a nuisance and wiped out on purpose or some disease, like AIDS or Ebola will erupt and there will be a huge die off. Black genes in mulatto and zambo populations will survive but the pure Negro will be as extinct as the passenger pigeon.
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  151. @Flip
    I think it is a combination of greed and the loss of civic responsibility due to the increased racial and ethnic diversity of the country. When most people were of European descent, there was a feeling that other Americans were your countrymen. Now the US has become a "polyglot boarding house" as Theodore Roosevelt said.

    This.

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  152. slumber_j says:
    @silviosilver

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous.
     
    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running. Corners, goal kicks, free kicks (especially heavily disputed ones, or ones involving Mediterranean-pioneered feigned injuries), even some throw-ins, all afford an opportunity to catch your breath.

    They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.
     
    They are so scrawny though. I think Australian Rules Football players have the best combination of physique and fitness.

    Yeah: Aussie Rules is pretty great in just about every way. Generally speaking, I’d much rather watch that than American football.

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    It's one hell of a game, to be sure. Blowouts are too common though - some games are effectively over by halftime - and that is boring. Every so often teams mount massive comebacks, and that is exciting, but it doesn't happen often enough. In contrast, with American football there is a sense that it's never over until it's over, no matter how far down a team is or how little time is left on the clock.

    Another good thing is that, for the time being, it retains an association with "traditional Australia" that is seriously lacking in rugby, the football code overwhelmingly favored in New South Wales and Queensland. I can imagine marketing bigwigs are working overtime to change that though - most teams (I'd guess) already have an African player, whereas ten years ago I struggle to recall a single one in the whole league. (There have long been Aboriginal stars though.)

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    I've been to an Aussie Rules match in Adelaide. It was a blast; it's a great game requiring impressive athleticism and skill.
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  153. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Actually, I've always thought that it'll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt. 99.9% wouldn't know what the hell it was about - and wouldn't care. But every once in a while, some guy would see it, do a double-take and then give you the knowing nod.

    It'd be like a secret handshake.

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.

    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like “noticing is good for you” or just “noticing”.

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    Agree.
    , @Desiderius
    Come notice with us.

    Or, alternatively:

    iSteve:

    Shhh...keep it a secret!
    , @North Carolina Resident
    More iStevey tag lines for t-shirts:
    One Standard Deviation
    Affordable Family Formation
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt
     
    The shirt should have a pic of Steve’s face over the legend of either “reprllent” or “okay” (minus quotes).

    For hardcore iStevers only—a pic of Steve’s face, eyes beaming demonically—over crossed blade-style putters, with the legend Occam’s Putterknife.
    , @TomSchmidt
    “noticing” is the T-shirt
    , @Brutusale
    Front of t-shirt: Who/Whom?
    Back: Just Noticing!
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  154. @Jake
    It is not just about fewer fans in the stands. I did not watch a single second of NFL football all weekend (which began Thursday night), and I will not watch even 1 second tonight.

    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists who despise white Middle America. Let them cover all costs to pamper their bastard-producing, drug-ingesting, rape-culture-spreading, police-hating spoiled brat black millionaire pets.

    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists

    What planet do you live on? Does ALL of your information come from O’Reilly?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/25/news/companies/trump-nfl-owners-donations/index.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nfl-owners-rain-cash-on-trump-inaugural

    https://nesn.com/2016/02/nfl-owners-political-donations-largely-republican-robert-kraft-more-democratic/

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.

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    Regardless of whether they're right wing or left wing as individuals, their organization has become one of the most prominent disseminaters of PC social justice poison in our society. Corporate culture is becoming left wing / pro social justice by default. You can see this, for instance, in the stance that Merck's CEO came out with against Trump's business panel after Charlottesville. It's hard to organize a boycott of Merck over that incident or in general to make this kind of inane virtue signaling costly to the corporate decision makers perpetuating this insidious change in American culture. The NFL, however, is uniquely vulnerable to a loss of support both by virtue of its constant need for customer engagement (you have to actively decide to watch or attend a game) and the more rightward slant of its customer base (skews towards older married white men). Boycotting the NFL is one minor but potentially effective way that we can try to send a message to the de facto left wing corporate interests poisoning our mass media to say if you insist on inserting polarizing left wing political views into non-political aspects of our culture you will pay a financial price. That's why I'm not watching any NFL anything anymore.
    , @Pericles

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.

     

    Just switch to 'Insane left libertarian'.
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  155. Forbes says:

    Beat me to it. The younger generation has no, none, zero, nada interest in the three big professional sports, i.e. NFL, NBA, MLB, as spectators. Maybe futbol/soccer.

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  156. @slumber_j
    Yeah: Aussie Rules is pretty great in just about every way. Generally speaking, I'd much rather watch that than American football.

    It’s one hell of a game, to be sure. Blowouts are too common though – some games are effectively over by halftime – and that is boring. Every so often teams mount massive comebacks, and that is exciting, but it doesn’t happen often enough. In contrast, with American football there is a sense that it’s never over until it’s over, no matter how far down a team is or how little time is left on the clock.

    Another good thing is that, for the time being, it retains an association with “traditional Australia” that is seriously lacking in rugby, the football code overwhelmingly favored in New South Wales and Queensland. I can imagine marketing bigwigs are working overtime to change that though – most teams (I’d guess) already have an African player, whereas ten years ago I struggle to recall a single one in the whole league. (There have long been Aboriginal stars though.)

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  157. Lurker says:
    @Ed
    The NFL has several African players from Nigeria & Ghana. In fact there was a big write up early in the season about the Nigerian & Nigerian American players in the league and how the coaches like their worth ethic & discipline.

    Haitian players have been a big force in South Florida football for years now.

    This is happening in other sports too – most of the fans are white while an increasing percentage of the players are black. But they are foreign blacks too!

    We could end up in a position where one’s ‘local’ team is 100% black, 100% foreign born and theoretically 100% non-English speaking. Any whites still watching will have to be some new mutant strain of mega cuck.

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    We could end up in a position where one’s team is 100% black, 100% foreign born and theoretically 100% non-English speaking. Any whites still watching will have to be some new mutant strain of mega cuck.
     
    English soccer will soon be putting that hypothesis to the test.

    It may be hard to believe, but as recently as the early 90s it was very rare for even the biggest English teams to feature foreign players - and those there were were more likely to be from elsewhere in Europe than from Africa. For example, the only foreign player I can recall in the line-up of 1990-91 champs Arsenal was a Swede, Anders Limpar. (Well, they had black stiker, Ian Wright, but he was English-born.)

    Then it all changed in a flash. By 1998 a friend I were playing FIFA '99 and he was playing Chelsea. He remarked that not a single player on that squad had been born in Britain. That may not have been completely accurate, but the fact I had to think about it in order to check was itself telling.
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  158. Lurker says:
    @AnotherDad

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.
     
    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like "noticing is good for you" or just "noticing".

    Agree.

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  159. Lurker says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Citi, Note to Steve....sell nicely printed tee shirts here on line.

    Seconded.

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  160. @Altai

    On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.
     
    A famous example of this is the French National Football Team who has been mostly black and overwhelmingly black/arab since the late 90s. Every so often they just revolt against the white French management and the discord destroys them at a major tournament.

    I wouldn't be surprised if strife among the players in teams like the Dutch, Belgian and Swiss teams where the ratios are more even between black/arab and native. (I don't know where this myth that Switzerland has a low level of immigration comes from)

    In 1998, the French coach was pretty ruthless about discipline. He dropped Nicolas Anelka for the better behaved Stephane Guivarch.

    After the World Cup both players came to England. Anelka was very successful at Arsenal (but was troublesome). Guivarch proved to be a donkey at Newcastle.

    The Dutch side was notorious for team bust-ups and racially tinged animosity. Piere van Hooijdonk was a major culprit – very good on the field, but total cancer in the dressing room of every club he played for.

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  161. e says:
    @Tiny Duck
    whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good about your inevitable loss of primacy and privilege

    “Primacy”?

    Uh, there is this thing called IQ. The instruments/methods used to measure it have been very successful in predicting educational and economic success.

    Those who are the more cognitively gifted at birth are those who have “primacy” and in your parlance, it’s not POC. Age old problem.

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  162. @Lurker
    This is happening in other sports too - most of the fans are white while an increasing percentage of the players are black. But they are foreign blacks too!

    We could end up in a position where one's 'local' team is 100% black, 100% foreign born and theoretically 100% non-English speaking. Any whites still watching will have to be some new mutant strain of mega cuck.

    We could end up in a position where one’s team is 100% black, 100% foreign born and theoretically 100% non-English speaking. Any whites still watching will have to be some new mutant strain of mega cuck.

    English soccer will soon be putting that hypothesis to the test.

    It may be hard to believe, but as recently as the early 90s it was very rare for even the biggest English teams to feature foreign players – and those there were were more likely to be from elsewhere in Europe than from Africa. For example, the only foreign player I can recall in the line-up of 1990-91 champs Arsenal was a Swede, Anders Limpar. (Well, they had black stiker, Ian Wright, but he was English-born.)

    Then it all changed in a flash. By 1998 a friend I were playing FIFA ’99 and he was playing Chelsea. He remarked that not a single player on that squad had been born in Britain. That may not have been completely accurate, but the fact I had to think about it in order to check was itself telling.

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    Chelsea? Isn't this about when Roman Abramovich came along? Interesting
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  163. MC says:
    @JerryC
    Interesting that the NBA isn't going to tolerate any anthem protests. Their fan base is a lot blacker than the NFL's, and the white fans they do have are, one would think, more in tune with the BLM agenda than white NFL fans are. I mean, if you're an NBA fan, you've already gone black and you're not going back. Still, NBA management wants no part of this protest theater.

    The NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, is a media darling due to the Donald Sterling incident, among other things. He knows he won’t be raked over the coals like Goodell, so he’s doing what is best for his league.

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    The NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, is a media darling due to the Donald Sterling incident, among other things. He knows he won’t be raked over the coals like Goodell, so he’s doing what is best for his league.
     
    Sha, right. The SJWs always eat their own, and always demand more and more compliance from those who have knuckled under to them. If you think the illegal Sterling ambush will protect Silver, you've got to bone up on SJWs. The NBA's illegal act in regards to Sterling will mean the SJWs will sense weakness and blood in the water, and not show mercy.
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  164. Lagertha says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    I must be repetitive again and again and say that open borders immigration enthusiast and Black Lives Matter supporter Hillary Clinton wanted to avoid, avoid, avoid Blacks and non-Whites so she moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York. White women voters rejected the stale, tired globaloney nonsense that Hillary Clinton was trying to sell. Hillary Clinton was pushing open borders mass immigration and globalization; white voters said no way.

    President Trump avoided showing much concern for accusations of racism and he stormed right into the White House. Blacks might have also avoided voting for Hillary Clinton because Trump was deemed non-threatening to many Blacks and he seemed to like Black celebrities.

    President Trump displayed a go-to-hell attitude that had great appeal for many White Core Americans, not just Whites Without College Degrees. 53 percent of White women voted for President Trump. But Hillary Clinton got the votes of 51 percent of White Women With College Degrees. Those gals may just be White lady teachers or other government workers and White broads in New York and California.

    The White frauds who run and fund the Democrat Party have made the decision to de-emphasize the White vote. The boobs in the Democrat Party are now actively attacking Whites as Whites and demonizing them. I don't see how that will attract more White voters.

    Katie Rogers of the New York Times writes:

    The data can be broken down further: 51 percent of white women with college degrees voted for Mrs. Clinton, while 62 percent of women without one voted for Mr. Trump, a reflection of his success with working-class whites.

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html

    Agree. I’m basically, saying that the college educated women are starting to see the light (the ones who voted for Hillary, holding their nose) because the mainstream popular culture demonizes white males – their sons – (females to a lesser extent – but, there are lately, more psychopathic white female characters in movies and tv shows since my youth – one of the reason I do not like Mr. Robot). And, I agree that it is too late for any Democrat to get white voters back. And, white women, the ones I run into now, have discarded any feelings of shame about caring about the future of their children and grandchildren, and so on. White women, citizens of the USA, still care more about their own children than streams of random immigrants’ children…that’s just the nature of mammals…there’s only so much time to live and nurture your children to survive after life leaves you.

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  165. whorefinder says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    The soccer clock does not stop for anything except a half time break. Play is continuous.
     
    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running. Corners, goal kicks, free kicks (especially heavily disputed ones, or ones involving Mediterranean-pioneered feigned injuries), even some throw-ins, all afford an opportunity to catch your breath.

    They are in better shape for a lifetime of fitness than our football players with their permanent injuries, limps and brain injuries.
     
    They are so scrawny though. I think Australian Rules Football players have the best combination of physique and fitness.

    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running.

    The dirtiest open thing about pro soccer is how the referees have a “secret” clock on their wrists that they stop and start. It’s called “injury time.” Basically, whenever a player has (or fakes) an injury on the field, the ref supposedly notes the time play was stopped and adds that to the final tally, hence why the “90 minutes of football” sometimes goes to 95 or 100 minutes. But no one is allowed to know that mysterious time but the ref.

    Of course that raises the question: why not just link the ref’s clock with the official clock the players and fans can see? Well, you see, shut up, flow of the game, tradition. Move on!

    MLS actually tried that—linking the ref’s injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently “some” people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA “injury time” thing.

    It’s not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player. Shades of the ’72 Olympic basketball finals, but it literally happens in every soccer game.

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    MLS actually tried that—linking the ref’s injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently “some” people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA “injury time” thing.
     
    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the "fourth official"* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.

    * The unimaginative title given the guy who performs the all-important task of checking substitute players' cleats before they step on the field to make sure they're not some newfangled non-regulation design that would give the player an unbeatable advantage. I can only imagine the shenanigans that occurred in the dark days before a fourth official was present.


    It’s not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player.
     
    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team's performance the next game is kinda daft - particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail's pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we'll see a season finale that exciting.

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  166. whorefinder says: • Website
    @MC
    The NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, is a media darling due to the Donald Sterling incident, among other things. He knows he won't be raked over the coals like Goodell, so he's doing what is best for his league.

    The NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver, is a media darling due to the Donald Sterling incident, among other things. He knows he won’t be raked over the coals like Goodell, so he’s doing what is best for his league.

    Sha, right. The SJWs always eat their own, and always demand more and more compliance from those who have knuckled under to them. If you think the illegal Sterling ambush will protect Silver, you’ve got to bone up on SJWs. The NBA’s illegal act in regards to Sterling will mean the SJWs will sense weakness and blood in the water, and not show mercy.

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  167. Lagertha says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Citi, Note to Steve....sell nicely printed tee shirts here on line.

    this does not seem like a thing Steve would do – but, the idea could be outsourced to one of you guys….then maybe :) Trust me on this: getting into slogan/org T-Shirt development for an event or statement is annoying – production and distribution/shipment is annoying. Steve is a CEO of 1 – the supreme ideal, and, I am guessing, he wants to keep his life simple….which is sort of a joke, I know!

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  168. Truth says:
    @whorefinder

    I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them....A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.
     
    I would say that's the UFC. It's gone from a yahoo competition ("Can Kung Fu beat Karate?") to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high; collegiate and Olympic wrestlers (a white-dominated sport) now have a place to get paid for their skills, so long as they learn some striking and striking defense. The percentage of yellows and higher-case south Americans are also much higher than in other U.S. sports.

    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill, since whites, upper-caste browns, and yellows are the big stars, while blacks, who have made some inroads, are much lower in percentage than the NBA or NFL.

    A smart move now by the UFC and MLS would be to take the current anti-NFL thing and make a push. Unfortunately, MLS is tightly interwoven with the NFL--most MLS teams play in football stadiums, and at least one MLS owner (Robert Kraft) also owns the Patriots. So it's likely any attempt now by them to catch up to the NFL would be squashed behind the scenes.

    So the UFC should make a push now, and emphasize patriotism when they do it.

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it's a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such. But the NHL wants to be the NBA-lite and resigned itself to minor league status by installing David Stern protege Gary Bettman and clamping down on fighting and assigning policemen to big stars and allowing the trap zone style to dominate too long and putting helmets on everyone (blocking the players from recognition) and making the regular season meaningless and idiot gimmicks such as the all-star game teams. I don't think one owner in the NHL has enough brains or ambition to see the opportunity in front of them, so I don't bother saying they could do it.

    I would say that’s the UFC. It’s gone from a yahoo competition (“Can Kung Fu beat Karate?”) to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high;

    Then somebody better tell them caucasoids to start protesting the anthem…

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/23/16016932/ufc-on-fox-25-does-lowest-overnight-ratings-in-series-history

    http://www.lowkickmma.com/featured/five-reasons-ufc-ratings-are-tanking-in-2017/

    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill,

    The advertisers have spoken, Old Sport… They want it to STAY abroad…

    http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/04/06/mls-tv-ratings-8-percent-compared-last-season/

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it’s a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such.

    I’m thinking we should go for a hat trick*

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-ratings-hit-new-lows-nbc-regular-season-201324298.html

    How about a “golden sombrero” of white sports…

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

    Is there a sports cliche that aligns with 5? I can’t think of one. Anyway, here you go, 5, 6, 7 and 8…

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-putting-f1-s-tv-ratings-decline-in-context-846767/

    http://awfulannouncing.com/racing/nascar-opens-2017-playoffs-lowest-rated-postseason-race-ever.html

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Roger_Federer/45629/wimbledon-final-federercilic-tv-ratings-were-worse-than-expected/

    Well now, Buddy, the news is not all bad though. There is one major sport that is doing BOFFO ratings with the white folk…

    http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-cavalers-win-nba-opener-ratings-up-over-2016-warriors-rockets-celtics-cubs-nba-mlb-tnt-tbs-1202190519/

    …So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.

    *Get it? “hat trick”. It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have shitty ratings, double entendre.

    It’s all good Old Bean, one of these days we’ll have a drink and I’ll explain “icing” and where the “blue line” is.

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    So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.
     
    lmao. It's adorable how you try to argue with a strawman version of me. I look forward to your beating up mannequins that look me next, and then declaring that you beat me up.

    More seriously, can anyone make sense of Truth's nonsensical word-salad argument vis-a-vis my comment? I think he's trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal, but his low-IQ and hilariously bad jibber jabber gets in the way. His argument's's quite a fantastic leap, even for a leftist white-hater, but I'm sure Mr. Soros makes such "logic leaps" part of the Marxist curriculum where he works.

    Still, thanks for the laugh at your expense, Truthiness.

    , @anon

    *Get it? “hat trick”. It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have s_____y ratings, double entendre.
     
    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.
    , @Brutusale
    It's all good Old Bean, one of these days we'll have a drink and I'll explain "icing" and where the "blue LINES" are.

    FIFY

    Some old white sports fans are dying off, POC immigrants by and large aren't fans of American sports while Euro immigrants love their futbol, young whites have better things to do with their time than watch Africranium-Americans (a Dan Jenkins coinage) playing sportsball.

    Rocket surgery it ain't.
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  169. @AnotherDad

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.
     
    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like "noticing is good for you" or just "noticing".

    Come notice with us.

    Or, alternatively:

    iSteve:

    Shhh…keep it a secret!

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  170. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Buffalo Joe
    Citi, Note to Steve....sell nicely printed tee shirts here on line.

    That would be like Fight Club T-Shirts.

    The first rule…

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  171. @JamesG
    The "kneelers" have one fatal problem: they are stupid.

    Only stupid people would think that antagonizing the people who provide the revenue is not a bad idea.

    Having read most but not quite all of the comments here, I believe that no-one has yet made the following proposal, which I offer in all seriousness.
    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
    No disrespect to patriotic Americans but it’s not necessary is it?.

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    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
     
    Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. /sarc

    The idiotic drama queen ‘protesters’ are helping, not hurting.

    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?
    , @Another Canadian
    It's not only necessary for Yanks, but when somehow they can't do it the rest of us will step up and get it done. Just ask 20,000 Toronto Maple Leafs fans.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48

    , @Chase
    You're confusing the issue here. The root issue is that these people are not Americans in any meaningful sense; they are African-Americans. And now, a whole lot of Americans are waking up to this fact and recoiling in disgust at the lies they have been told, while at the same time waking up to the bread and circuses aspect the whole league has going on.

    I couldn't be happier.
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  172. Lagertha says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    And, I’m sure you are the most moral man on the planet! – fouhgetaboudid. Get a life! Did it never occur to you that people don’t care that Trump is obtuse, speaks funny, is awkward? He was chosen by a large consortium of people to run for President – he was the last chance.

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    he was the last chance.

    Did it ever occur to you that if Trump is the last chance then there is already nothing worth saving? I am just glad I live in Europe. Strache, Orban and Le Pen may have their flaws, but they are not idiots and not con men, and they actually love and cherish the culture that their ancestors produced.

    I get why Bannon saw Trump as the best chance, and he may be right that Trump can lead to someone better. There is also a very good chance that Trump will end up being the nail in the coffin for white nationalism in the United States. Certainly Trump's track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.
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  173. Lagertha says:
    @Eugene Nics

    People now, avoid, avoid, avoid conflict. And, solitude, and seeking solitude is now trendy.
     
    Interesting. It's almost like people are bowling alone. Who could have predicted that?

    haha! Hmmm? bowling – I just decided to join a league of senior citizens (co-ed! :) ) because I don’t want bowling to die in our town – and it’s not too far from my house. I’m actually, pretty good at bowling, and, I love seniors – great stories. I’ve always, always, always loved senior citizens.

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  174. @whorefinder

    I have been expecting some newly created sport to replace one or more of them....A modern purpose built sport would have fewer blacks, with athletes who compete without obscuring helmets or uniforms. The sport would also be optimized for the TV audience.
     
    I would say that's the UFC. It's gone from a yahoo competition ("Can Kung Fu beat Karate?") to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high; collegiate and Olympic wrestlers (a white-dominated sport) now have a place to get paid for their skills, so long as they learn some striking and striking defense. The percentage of yellows and higher-case south Americans are also much higher than in other U.S. sports.

    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill, since whites, upper-caste browns, and yellows are the big stars, while blacks, who have made some inroads, are much lower in percentage than the NBA or NFL.

    A smart move now by the UFC and MLS would be to take the current anti-NFL thing and make a push. Unfortunately, MLS is tightly interwoven with the NFL--most MLS teams play in football stadiums, and at least one MLS owner (Robert Kraft) also owns the Patriots. So it's likely any attempt now by them to catch up to the NFL would be squashed behind the scenes.

    So the UFC should make a push now, and emphasize patriotism when they do it.

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it's a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such. But the NHL wants to be the NBA-lite and resigned itself to minor league status by installing David Stern protege Gary Bettman and clamping down on fighting and assigning policemen to big stars and allowing the trap zone style to dominate too long and putting helmets on everyone (blocking the players from recognition) and making the regular season meaningless and idiot gimmicks such as the all-star game teams. I don't think one owner in the NHL has enough brains or ambition to see the opportunity in front of them, so I don't bother saying they could do it.

    UFC is going to supplant boxing, because ultimately the buck stops with Dana White. The driver for boxing is goosing PPV sales by advertising “the Rematch!” after nameless judges call a draw, the recent GGG v Canelo match being the most recent example of this.

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    UFC is going to supplant boxing
     
    Where have you been? UFC supplanted boxing 15-20 years ago.

    UFC can actually shoot for bigger, and supplant the NFL. Imagine if the UFC became more popular sport than the NFL, which would be a near reversal back to the Depression era, when hand-to-hand-combat (in the form of boxing) was way more popular than professional football.
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  175. The formula for the NFL’s official passer rating is public and constant, so you can use that as a basis of comparison.

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  176. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    What the hell is that thing to the right of clown hat?

    Rosie de Lauro

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  177. @Anon87
    OT - Man Indicted in Firebomb Attacks Aimed at NYC Muslims

    Federal authorities in New York today unsealed an indictment accusing a 40-year-old man dubbed the “Frappucino firebomber” with hate crimes for New Year’s Day Molotov-cocktail attacks on a mosque and a Hindu temple in Queens. Ray Lazier Lengend, ......

    You'd think this hate crime would be done by an angry white man. BUT

    also known as Suraj Poonai, told police he intended to kill “as many Muslims and Arabs as possible” by throwing firebombs inside the places of worship, the New York Daily News reported shortly after the suspect’s Jan. 3 arrest.

    This "Queens man" is actually from Ghana.

    A “Honduran national” planned to blow up a Miami shopping mall for IS. Barely cracking national news.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/honduran-citizen-charged-attempting-use-explosive-device-popular-miami-mall

    Now someone drawing backwards swastikas on a black’s house, that’s a national news story!

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    reality: A whole bunch of Millennials have noticed that with their iphone, they can be directors...and get paid. SO, any situation of violence, possible major crime, is now a business opportunity to a smart phone standby-director-oscar winner.
    , @anon
    A dreamer.
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  178. @AnotherDad

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.
     
    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like "noticing is good for you" or just "noticing".

    More iStevey tag lines for t-shirts:
    One Standard Deviation
    Affordable Family Formation

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    More iStevey tag lines for t-shirts:
    One Standard Deviation
    Affordable Family Formation
     
    'What Would Steve Notice?'
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  179. @slumber_j
    Yeah: Aussie Rules is pretty great in just about every way. Generally speaking, I'd much rather watch that than American football.

    I’ve been to an Aussie Rules match in Adelaide. It was a blast; it’s a great game requiring impressive athleticism and skill.

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  180. Anon87 says:

    It is pretty sad that they can’t get offenses going when tackling is so poor and wide recievers have basically superglue slathered on their gloves.

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    It is pretty sad that they can’t get offenses going when tackling is so poor and wide recievers have basically superglue slathered on their gloves.

    Maybe it's the prima donna mentality: don't waste my time teaching me how to tackle or how to catch.

    Maybe they should reconsider the rule that keeps balls inflated to rock-hard pressures. When Inflategate happened, my first question was, why don't they just normalize a lower air pressure. It would smooth out play on both sides of the ball. It was an odd hill for Goodell to die on.
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  181. Lagertha says:
    @whorefinder
    Goodell went after Brady hard for Deflategate as a Bonfire of the Vanities-type move to overpunish the great white defendant when the NFL was beset by stories of really bad off-the-field behavior by black players. Goodell thought by going hard after Brady he could short-circuit talk that blacks were being "racistly" overpunished by the league.

    Except many people recognized that Deflategate was a mild football sin at best, and Brady's overpunishment really bothered most---why were wife beaters and murderers and child beaters being punished less or equal to a guy who mildly let air out of footballs---something that, according to all quarterbacks and head coaches asked about, would not have given Brady any significant advantage?

    Goodell dragged the league through federal court to get Brady. He almost got part of the CBA annulled as a result. Total SJW move there. Now he's doubling down on the anti-America, pro-black-crime protests. Ratings are falling, revenue is drying up, and the President himself is criticizing him. But he doubles down, as SJWs always do.

    Gooddell's an SJW and he and his inner circle are a liability to the NFL as no commissioner has been since, perhaps, the pre-merger days when the NFL refused to acknowledge the AFL.

    A group of good owners would have fired Gooddell after the Deflategate white witch hunt. That they didn't showed the owners are weak idiots. Once the NFL showed that Gooddell could let his social justice views rule the league, the anthem protesters were emboldened. Gooddell will never be satisfied, and will work to destroy the league. He is a cancer.

    Tom is the White Whale and Goodell is Ahab. I so agree that the deflategate was some sort of virtue signaling to assuage the welcome back Vick and excuse Rice, and a ton of other guys, for all their bad behavior, for Goodell.

    What angers me most about all these ridiculous years of decline of NFL is: lets watch the game and let true athletes play; and, if athletes abuse women, animals, children – they’re fired with no excuses.

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    meant to end with: NFL will find excuses for offenders.
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  182. @AnotherDad

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt.
     
    Cool idea.

    Could even have a little iStevey tag line. Something like "noticing is good for you" or just "noticing".

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt

    The shirt should have a pic of Steve’s face over the legend of either “reprllent” or “okay” (minus quotes).

    For hardcore iStevers only—a pic of Steve’s face, eyes beaming demonically—over crossed blade-style putters, with the legend Occam’s Putterknife.

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    Golf: Reprllent for Putterknives and Occam hokum?
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  183. Lagertha says:
    @Anon7
    Today's Democrats demand "diversity" in the form of people with lots of different colors and clothing styles and genders, but they demand absolute ideological uniformity. If you deviate, they will shun you. I had to stay one of the "silent" Trump voters because my wife's many Democrat cousins and colleagues would never have spoken to her again. No exaggeration.

    That's a good article, but the fact that it talks about NFL players is almost irrelevant. This is how it works all over the country; in offices, in marriages, in families. The leftist Democrats are intolerant herd creatures who believe the Media Narrative completely. They're the good guys and we're the Deplorables and I can't imagine what will change it.

    duh, we already did change it – Trump.

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  184. SDMatt says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

     

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain't Voting For These People:

    https://twitter.com/AngloGermanic/status/922220888933548032

    No party for White Men.

    Is that Ronnie Wood by the flag?

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  185. Lagertha says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    black sea, the Pittsburgh Steelers hide in the tunnel and then hammer the lone player who came out for the anthem nailed it for me. It's fall here. The leaves are in color. Wine country is beckoning. The salmon are in the streams. The Amish are harvesting their crops the old way. So much to do and my life goes on without football. Two weeks ago I attended a lacrosse tournament (D-II and D-III college teams) at Canton, Ohio. Great game lacrosse. Don't need no stinking football.

    I’m driving up to Youngstown, soon…and agree, upstate is awesome. Free yourself up to watch the college games..so many in NY.

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    Lagertha, Try a drive starting in Lewiston and going north on 18F. The road follows the Niagara and should be in full color. Enjoy.
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  186. Lagertha says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    it’ll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt
     
    The shirt should have a pic of Steve’s face over the legend of either “reprllent” or “okay” (minus quotes).

    For hardcore iStevers only—a pic of Steve’s face, eyes beaming demonically—over crossed blade-style putters, with the legend Occam’s Putterknife.

    Golf: Reprllent for Putterknives and Occam hokum?

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  187. Lagertha says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    That is the real issue. The NFL was losing young people well before Kaepernick started kneeling. Fantasy football managed to keep kids somewhat interested, but even fantasy has lost its luster. Between the CET, the horrible pacing with all the commercials, salary caps and " parity" turning rosters over every 3 years and the NFL's inability to create any real stars since Brady and Manning, the game has been dying for years. Clever of Trump to try to ride the wave and get credit for the NFL's downfall though.

    The game has not been dying for years. But, agree that it will die in 50+ years because the hitting is too much/300lbs of force; helmets have not kept up with blunt force math; and, lastly, most parents will enroll their children in rugby and soccer – so much cheaper for equipment – much more egalitarian in all kids able to play.

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    No, the NFL has been on a clear downward trend for years. I noticed that with my kids 10 years ago. When a sport loses the next generation, its time is numbered. Both football and baseball do not engage kids and teenagers the way my generation is engaged. Baseball will survive better because it is a great live event. It is hard to imagine the NFL scaling back to where the NHL is now, but that seems to be where it is going, and the anthem dispute is hurting the NFL so badly partly because the NFL is weak and can't defend itself effectively,
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  188. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    Tom is the White Whale and Goodell is Ahab. I so agree that the deflategate was some sort of virtue signaling to assuage the welcome back Vick and excuse Rice, and a ton of other guys, for all their bad behavior, for Goodell.

    What angers me most about all these ridiculous years of decline of NFL is: lets watch the game and let true athletes play; and, if athletes abuse women, animals, children - they're fired with no excuses.

    meant to end with: NFL will find excuses for offenders.

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  189. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Jack Hanson
    UFC is going to supplant boxing, because ultimately the buck stops with Dana White. The driver for boxing is goosing PPV sales by advertising "the Rematch!" after nameless judges call a draw, the recent GGG v Canelo match being the most recent example of this.

    UFC is going to supplant boxing

    Where have you been? UFC supplanted boxing 15-20 years ago.

    UFC can actually shoot for bigger, and supplant the NFL. Imagine if the UFC became more popular sport than the NFL, which would be a near reversal back to the Depression era, when hand-to-hand-combat (in the form of boxing) was way more popular than professional football.

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    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don't know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    Liking UFC women's fighting is not something you especially want to advertise. I also like the fact that some of the girls have a sketchy past. I prefer it with no details, so I don't really know. But there seem to be bios that don't exactly add up.

    I'm far from hardcore and never likely to be a fan. But I will watch Rhonda. The whole sport is a bit too violent for my taste.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Yeah fair enough. Should have been "has supplanted".
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  190. Lagertha says:
    @AnotherDad

    The owners and Roger Goodell don’t even act like they understand it.
     
    Goodell handled this situation in a ridiculously--because unnecessary--poor manner.

    Faced with Trump's tweet he could have simply gone free-speechy:
    -- The NFL loves America and our rights as Americans.
    -- An American value is free-speech, and our players have the right to free speech--to speak out on the social issues of the day--even if their manner is not one we in the league approve of.
    -- Free speech also includes the right of others--including the President--to critique our speech, and the manner of expressing it. And in turn for others to disagree with that critique.
    -- The NFL encourages all its players and coaches and fans to stand for our national anthem to show our unity and loyalty as Americans.

    Why Goodell thought it was a good idea to unnecessarily go out of his way to antagonize a good portion of his fan base which actually pays the bills, is beyond me. It's the fans, not the particular players--and in particular black players--who are critical to the NFL being an ongoing concern.

    the money is still set from the networks for this year – so, less fans in the stands is not a factor for a profit deficit. Crap…I should just stop chirping…I have commented waaaaay too much for this Steve’s post – apologies.

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  191. Lagertha says:
    @Jack Hanson
    A "Honduran national" planned to blow up a Miami shopping mall for IS. Barely cracking national news.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/honduran-citizen-charged-attempting-use-explosive-device-popular-miami-mall

    Now someone drawing backwards swastikas on a black's house, that's a national news story!

    reality: A whole bunch of Millennials have noticed that with their iphone, they can be directors…and get paid. SO, any situation of violence, possible major crime, is now a business opportunity to a smart phone standby-director-oscar winner.

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    Thank You, Joe.
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  192. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hibernian
    A ridiculous statement was put out by Fred Hoiberg that blamed both players, although blaming the thug who threw the sucker punch a little nore than his "teammate."

    I saw one saying the thug was “a good kid”. He should be in jail.

    It had to be a sucker punch. No way a professional athlete gets that injured by a punch he sees coming. You don’t see those kinds of injuries in a typical basketball fight.

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    Dang Pinsen, you're usually level-headed and generally well-informed about things.

    The "sucker punch" tweet that broke this story has been debunked (something-something lie travel half-way around the world before truth put its boots on...).

    It's never going to come out officially, but all the well-known NBA scoop reporters (Woj, etc) have tweeted that the Mirotic was the clear instigator. It's been unanimous. Mirotic purportedly aggressively came at and shoved Portis multiple times before finally getting punched in self-defense (i.e. by real world/street justice standard).

    This explains the reaction by the team and the league. The Bulls GM even announced that "sucker punch" is an unfair characterization.

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  193. After reading some of the posts I see that it’s more “white racism” that’s always the problem. Most of the NFL and NBA franchises are owned by Jews. As most people on this forum know they control the media, the banking industry, Hollywood etc. The Magic Jews have a problem: their “slaves” are rebelling and it’s hurting their bottom line and devaluing their brand. The first amendment right of free speech is about You versus the Government. It does not apply to the workplace unless the company you work for avails you the complete extent of the law. The reason for this is simple because you will damage the company and its brand as the NFL owners have now found out! Roger Godell, the NFL Commissioner has blown it by allowing these simpletons to demonstrate and I will be surprised if his contract is renewed.

    Most Blacks and Jews are the true racists. Just go to Youtube and type in Norman Finkelstein and listen to what he has to say about racism in the Jewish communities. There are a number of black youtubers that will show you just how racist these people can be. What’s really funny is how many of these Black Rap artists, singers, movie stars hate everything white and then “bleach” their skin. I’ve worked with Blacks and Jews in many situations and can attest to their racism especially at each other. Remember the famous Ali versus Frazier fights? What do you think the undercurrent was in those fights that the media wouldn’t touch?

    Professional football requires everyone be on the same page at the same time. It requires maximum focus. I’ve talked to blacks who will readily admit that their teams lack focus due to the demonstrations and are playing poorly. The bookies must be having a field day with these upsets on teams that can’t get it together.

    The rebellion is now starting in the NBA. Stephen Curry the super star guard of the Golden State Warriors threw his mouthpiece at a referee the other night. He got a token $50,000 fine. Last year he threw it and hit someone in the stands. Adam Silver, who is Jewish and NBA Commissioner took over for David Stern also Jewish. Silver knows he sitting on a powder keg. There are number of problem players in the NBA and their behavior, statements and actions threaten the long term financial future of the league. Curry makes 40 million a year I believe. The fact, that he wasn’t suspended tells you how fragile the situation is. In previous negotiations the black NBA bargaining committee referred to their owners as their “Jewish Plantation Masters.” Of course, this was not widely written in the media. They use this term just like their handlers use “Antisemitic.” They have learned well from their masters. Silver must know the entire NBA is a scam with only handful of teams have any chance of winning a championship. He must also knows that most of the blacks in the league are uncoachable and can’t run a real offense except for isolation street ball.

    Many blacks especially athletes have one mode of behavior and they carry it everywhere like a badge of honor. This is readily observable. Too many blacks are still slaves to their Jewish Masters who control their organizations, their funding, and whether they appear on tv. They are also slaves to the race provocateurs, race pimps and race hustlers who haunt the airwaves. And finally they are slaves to their demented thug bling world that elevates the worse of their subculture to the top and they wonder why children don’t turn out well.

    As noted by some of the responses on this forum who believe that whites are the problem and that blacks will eventually run the world. I believe this comes from their “Black Athena” complex. If you want to read some scifi I invite you to look it up. The most likely scenario is that they will cause the complete collapse of civilization and you need only watch how they behave and think in the sports arena to realize they won’t be running anything complex-at least on this planet.

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  194. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver

    The Sons of Africa will be impregnating and conquering the wombs of white girls until blonde hair is all but gone
     
    Stats show that that doesn't happen nearly as often with blacks as you think (or pretend), but yes, in general, the assumption must be that blonde hair (and other white traits) will eventually become extinct.

    White racists will still get the last laugh from beyond the grave though, since most non-black POC have no great love at all for the Sons of Africa.

    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation. No one else will feed, clothe or medicate them and either they will be declared a nuisance and wiped out on purpose or some disease, like AIDS or Ebola will erupt and there will be a huge die off. Black genes in mulatto and zambo populations will survive but the pure Negro will be as extinct as the passenger pigeon.

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    So we're going to outlive you?!?!
    , @silviosilver

    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation
     
    That's certainly one possible outcome of the "End of History and the Last White Man" thesis.
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  195. Whiskey says: • Website

    I’m sure the punch had the desired effect. Get that White dude out of there. The NBA really ought to have a truth in advertising rule “No White Dudes Here!”

    As for the owners, they are billionaires. Of course they are hard core Left Wing. That’s establishment, and it does not get more establishment than the Hard Left like Obama, Hillary, and Kamala Harris.

    The NFL is going to be like California. No Whites at all in any important position; the next Governor of California is so obviously going to be Antonio Villaraigosa. Newsome has no chance — he’s White in a Majority Mexican population state.

    I think the owners are fine with this. Yeah, the Bills, Jacksonville, the Colts, and Jets will probably fold. Maybe Dallas due to the high cost Jones larded himself with for the Jones-mahal; possibly the Vikings, Houston, Tennessee, and the Chargers. That’s OK with them, they don’t care about the money — they already made theirs. They care about placating their players, who are trading their salaries and futures for a mess of hate-Whitey pottage. But hey, that’s more important to them — a league with half the teams and revenues but all Black; rather than just mostly Black.

    What the Obama Presidency has done is made Blacks throw aside any caution or inhibition of the Hate Whitey stuff; from the sort of “I only call on people of color and never White men” stuff in the Universities to well, this. Explicity anti-American and anti-White male. Culturally this is akin to a Black player getting down on all fours and mimicking a urinating dog in celebration. [Odell Beckham Jr., for those keeping score at home.]

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    " Yeah, the Bills, Jacksonville, the Colts, and Jets will probably fold.

    One of them will move to St. Louis.
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  196. @whorefinder

    There are still numerous stoppages in action, even if the clock keeps running.
     
    The dirtiest open thing about pro soccer is how the referees have a "secret" clock on their wrists that they stop and start. It's called "injury time." Basically, whenever a player has (or fakes) an injury on the field, the ref supposedly notes the time play was stopped and adds that to the final tally, hence why the "90 minutes of football" sometimes goes to 95 or 100 minutes. But no one is allowed to know that mysterious time but the ref.

    Of course that raises the question: why not just link the ref's clock with the official clock the players and fans can see? Well, you see, shut up, flow of the game, tradition. Move on!

    MLS actually tried that---linking the ref's injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently "some" people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA "injury time" thing.

    It's not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player. Shades of the '72 Olympic basketball finals, but it literally happens in every soccer game.

    MLS actually tried that—linking the ref’s injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently “some” people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA “injury time” thing.

    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the “fourth official”* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.

    * The unimaginative title given the guy who performs the all-important task of checking substitute players’ cleats before they step on the field to make sure they’re not some newfangled non-regulation design that would give the player an unbeatable advantage. I can only imagine the shenanigans that occurred in the dark days before a fourth official was present.

    It’s not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player.

    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team’s performance the next game is kinda daft – particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail’s pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we’ll see a season finale that exciting.

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    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the “fourth official”* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.
     
    Interesting, I haven't watched in years (never liked soccer). Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there's still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.

    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team’s performance the next game is kinda daft – particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail’s pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.
     
    And the other team is straining to score. What's your point? In any sport with a clock you'll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we’ll see a season finale that exciting.
     
    Which is exactly the highlight reel-argument they use when people suggest removing the practice. I'm not against injury time, I'm against the sleight of hand used to calculate it.
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  197. @Sane Left Libertarian

    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists

     

    What planet do you live on? Does ALL of your information come from O'Reilly?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/25/news/companies/trump-nfl-owners-donations/index.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nfl-owners-rain-cash-on-trump-inaugural

    https://nesn.com/2016/02/nfl-owners-political-donations-largely-republican-robert-kraft-more-democratic/

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.

    Regardless of whether they’re right wing or left wing as individuals, their organization has become one of the most prominent disseminaters of PC social justice poison in our society. Corporate culture is becoming left wing / pro social justice by default. You can see this, for instance, in the stance that Merck’s CEO came out with against Trump’s business panel after Charlottesville. It’s hard to organize a boycott of Merck over that incident or in general to make this kind of inane virtue signaling costly to the corporate decision makers perpetuating this insidious change in American culture. The NFL, however, is uniquely vulnerable to a loss of support both by virtue of its constant need for customer engagement (you have to actively decide to watch or attend a game) and the more rightward slant of its customer base (skews towards older married white men). Boycotting the NFL is one minor but potentially effective way that we can try to send a message to the de facto left wing corporate interests poisoning our mass media to say if you insist on inserting polarizing left wing political views into non-political aspects of our culture you will pay a financial price. That’s why I’m not watching any NFL anything anymore.

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    Why not just record or quasi-legally download games you're interested in? That's what I do. In addition to depriving them of official viewership data, I can also fast-forward over the boring 30 or so seconds after the play is over to the next snap. This cuts down viewing time by more than half and doesn't really detract any enjoyment from the game.
    , @anonguy

    Corporate culture is becoming left wing / pro social justice by default.
     
    Becoming?

    In my opinion, it became so in the early 90s with affirmative action in private sector moving into high gear and the introduction of the notion of sexual harassment.

    Me, I had begun my post-military career in 1990, saw what was happening, and went into small startup software types of companies after a few years, never looked back.

    For better or worse, I could see that the field was tilted against guys like me in that milieu and one can make that observation without being a racist. Scott Adams has talked about this himself, frankly, about why he left Pac Bell or whatever in the same time frame.
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  198. whorefinder says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    MLS actually tried that—linking the ref’s injury time to a public clock on the scoreboard, but apparently “some” people complained, so they switched to the traditional FIFA “injury time” thing.
     
    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the "fourth official"* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.

    * The unimaginative title given the guy who performs the all-important task of checking substitute players' cleats before they step on the field to make sure they're not some newfangled non-regulation design that would give the player an unbeatable advantage. I can only imagine the shenanigans that occurred in the dark days before a fourth official was present.


    It’s not hard to see that this is clearly a ruse by gamblers and game fixers to put extra time on the board and (hopefully) either get another goal in there or else get a team extra tired so that they play worse the next game, or perhaps aggravate an injury on a certain player.
     
    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team's performance the next game is kinda daft - particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail's pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we'll see a season finale that exciting.

    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the “fourth official”* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.

    Interesting, I haven’t watched in years (never liked soccer). Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there’s still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.

    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team’s performance the next game is kinda daft – particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail’s pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.

    And the other team is straining to score. What’s your point? In any sport with a clock you’ll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we’ll see a season finale that exciting.

    Which is exactly the highlight reel-argument they use when people suggest removing the practice. I’m not against injury time, I’m against the sleight of hand used to calculate it.

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    In the NFL, the official time remaining in the game was kept in a referee's pocket up through about 1968, while an unofficial time was kept on scoreboard. Around 1969, a simple rule change made the scoreboard time the official time in the game, which greatly improved the last two minutes of games because fans could follow along with a Staubach or a Montana on just how much time was left for them to complete their game-winning drive.

    Why did the NFL not make that change earlier? Well, a lot of sports'rules start out with the assumption that you need only a minimum number of officials, such as a referee, and you don't need a dedicated timekeeper or scoreboard clock. The NFL was like that in the distant past, but over time it evolved to requiring a huge expense in infrastructure.

    Soccer was slower to evolve in that direction. The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to "fix" soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

    , @silviosilver

    Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there’s still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.
     
    To me almost everything about officiating in soccer is primitive. Look how many refs basketball has on a "field" fifteen times smaller. In contrast, soccer for the longest time was stuck with one poor bastard trying to oversea the whole thing before the authorities finally relented and allowed the linesmen to call some fouls.

    And the other team is straining to score. What’s your point? In any sport with a clock you’ll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.
     
    It's much easier to slow the game down in soccer than to speed it up, that's obvious.

    I can't really think of any other sports in which running the clock down forms such a large part tactics. Football and basketball, for instance, penalize you for taking too long; and scoring points is enough of a threat that turning over possession is something worth avoiding, whereas in soccer the risk of the other team scoring on you is minimal, particularly if you pack the defense, so kicking the ball up the field to no one is worth it for the time it wastes.

    Obviously you can take a kneel in football in the dying seconds, but no one would dream of trying to defend a 7-0 lead at halftime with time-wasting. In soccer, underdogs who find themselves 1-0 up often begin time-wasting tactics straight away.

    (In recent years, playing what in local parlance is known as "keepings off" to run the clock down has become a tactic in Australia Rules. Commentators used to blast it as unsportsmanlike, but they're more rational about it these days. Fans still tend to look down on it.)

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  199. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack Hanson
    A "Honduran national" planned to blow up a Miami shopping mall for IS. Barely cracking national news.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/honduran-citizen-charged-attempting-use-explosive-device-popular-miami-mall

    Now someone drawing backwards swastikas on a black's house, that's a national news story!

    A dreamer.

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    Aren't you two in adjacent cubicles?

    Laughed Out Loud. BTW, what is the threshold for this?

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  201. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Truth



    I would say that’s the UFC. It’s gone from a yahoo competition (“Can Kung Fu beat Karate?”) to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high;
     
    Then somebody better tell them caucasoids to start protesting the anthem...

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/23/16016932/ufc-on-fox-25-does-lowest-overnight-ratings-in-series-history
     
    http://www.lowkickmma.com/featured/five-reasons-ufc-ratings-are-tanking-in-2017/


    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill,
     
    The advertisers have spoken, Old Sport... They want it to STAY abroad...

    http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/04/06/mls-tv-ratings-8-percent-compared-last-season/

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it’s a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such.
     
    I'm thinking we should go for a hat trick*

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-ratings-hit-new-lows-nbc-regular-season-201324298.html


    How about a "golden sombrero" of white sports...

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

    Is there a sports cliche that aligns with 5? I can't think of one. Anyway, here you go, 5, 6, 7 and 8...

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-putting-f1-s-tv-ratings-decline-in-context-846767/

    http://awfulannouncing.com/racing/nascar-opens-2017-playoffs-lowest-rated-postseason-race-ever.html

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Roger_Federer/45629/wimbledon-final-federercilic-tv-ratings-were-worse-than-expected/

    Well now, Buddy, the news is not all bad though. There is one major sport that is doing BOFFO ratings with the white folk...

    http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-cavalers-win-nba-opener-ratings-up-over-2016-warriors-rockets-celtics-cubs-nba-mlb-tnt-tbs-1202190519/

    ...So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.

    *Get it? "hat trick". It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have shitty ratings, double entendre.

    It's all good Old Bean, one of these days we'll have a drink and I'll explain "icing" and where the "blue line" is.

    So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.

    lmao. It’s adorable how you try to argue with a strawman version of me. I look forward to your beating up mannequins that look me next, and then declaring that you beat me up.

    More seriously, can anyone make sense of Truth’s nonsensical word-salad argument vis-a-vis my comment? I think he’s trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal, but his low-IQ and hilariously bad jibber jabber gets in the way. His argument’s’s quite a fantastic leap, even for a leftist white-hater, but I’m sure Mr. Soros makes such “logic leaps” part of the Marxist curriculum where he works.

    Still, thanks for the laugh at your expense, Truthiness.

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    I think he’s trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal,
     
    Well, no, Christopher Langham; I'm arguing that ALL sports, including even the lilly-whitest are declining in viewership, which a man of your obvious and towering intellect would take as a large neon sign, to drop this imbecilic "fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM" silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.

    As far as debating you, that, Sport, I can not do. I think John-Herik Clarke said it best...

    http://www.alexdapiata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/dr-john-henrik-clarke-quotes-4617521-quote-addicts-john-henrik-clarke-quotes.jpg

    So get your notebook and a #2 pencil out; you might learn something.
    , @anonymous
    Whorefinder, you should drill down on the supporting materials Truth provides. Educate yourself. Made me look up Dr. John Henrik Clarke on the wikipedia …

    In its obituary of Baba Clarke,
     
    Baba? I had to look it up it’s a high honorific for a truly educated man.

    The New York Times noted that the activist's ascension to professor emeritus at Hunter College was "unusual... without benefit of a high school diploma, let alone a Ph.D." It acknowledged that "nobody said Professor Clarke wasn't an academic original." In 1994, Baba Clarke earned a doctorate from the non-accredited Pacific Western University (now California Miramar University) in Los Angeles, having earned a bachelor's degree there in 1992.
     
    The July ‘88 NY Times obit for Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. also notes that ...

    If some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by traditional [racist] historians as specious propaganda seeking to aggrandize African influence on Western culture, Mr. [sic] Clarke threw the charge right back, accusing white scholars of having disguised their own Eurocentric propaganda as historic fact.
     
    Cornell’s Africana Librarian Eric Kofi Acree also pays tribute on the Cornell University website:

    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher by Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher

    by

    Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    [Picture of John Henrik Clarke]

    John Henrik Clarke
    (1915-1998) [NB: the then unwoke NYT declared Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. dead in 1988 and published it’s slanderous obituary when Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. actually lived 10 more years until 1998. Racist conspiracy?]

    In 1986, the Africana Library was named in honor of John Henrik Clarke, who was widely recognized as a pioneer in the field of Africana Studies. Dr. Clarke played an important role in the early history of Cornell University's Africana Studies & Research Center. He was a Distinguished Visiting Professor of African History at the Center in the 1970s. He also made an invaluable contribution to the establishment of its curricula.
     
    Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. was only interested in the truth …

    Clarke noticed that although many bible stories "unfolded in Africa...I saw no African people in the printed and illustrated Sunday school lessons," he wrote in 1985. "I began to suspect at this early age that someone had distorted the image of my people. My long search for the true history of African people the world over began."

    That search took him to libraries, museums, attics, archives and collections in Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, Latin America and Africa.

    What he found was that the history of black people is worldwide; that "the first light of human consciousness and the world's first civilizations were in Africa"; that the so called Dark Ages were dark only for Europe and that some African nations at the time were larger than any in Europe; that as Africa sends its children to Europe to study because that is where the best universities are, early Greece once sent its children to Africa to study because that was where the best universities were; and that slavery, although devastating was neither the beginning nor the end of Black people's impact on the world.

    Clarke gathered his findings into books on such figures as the early 20th century mass movement leader Marcus Garvey, into articles with titles like "Africa in the Conquest of Spain" and "Harlem as mecca and New Jerusalem," and many books including American Heritage's two volume "History of Africa."
     
    A thought: It might be time to rename the District of Columbia (racist, genocidalist) to the District of Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D.
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  202. @englishmike
    Having read most but not quite all of the comments here, I believe that no-one has yet made the following proposal, which I offer in all seriousness.
    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
    No disrespect to patriotic Americans but it's not necessary is it?.

    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.

    Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. /sarc

    The idiotic drama queen ‘protesters’ are helping, not hurting.

    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?

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    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?

     

    Wog supremacy against white supremacy.
    , @englishmike
    I empathise with comment 27 above from black sea:

    There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.
    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that’s fine with me; I’m not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.
    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

     

    If that is why "the idiotic drama queen protesters are helping not hurting", I understand the reason for your /sarc.

    Spurious analogies never make for persuasive argument, so your "brilliant" rhetorical question about Nelson's column was lost on me. In general, I'm not in favour of destroying historical monuments. Or of banning national anthems.

    Have a nice day.
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  203. e says:
    @Daniel H
    >>There was a report leaked from an anon beat reporter in Oakland (to Inforwars, so grain of salt) that the teams’ all black O-Line deliberately tanked because David Carr stood for the national anthem during their prime time game in DC 4 weeks ago.

    I believe this story to be true. NFL management (from coaches all the way to the top: owners and NFL management) has made a colossal unforced error. I have no pity for them. A little backbone and sense of appreciation for their fans, not to mention their country, would have nipped this kneeling nonsense in the bud.

    The most important person on a football team is the quarterback. The most important person on the Raiders is Derek Carr.

    With a healthy Carr, the Raiders can win. With a broken Carr, they lose and lose big. (Evidence: the playoff loss last year w/out Carr, the reg. season games w/out Carr.)

    You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game, their chances of winning a division, their chances of winning a conference, and a shot at the Super Bowl, that they chose to risk serious injury to the ONE person who is most responsible for any glory or failure they will experience in their careers on this team?

    Further, you believe all this even though Carr and several of his linemen are close friends as well as teammates?

    Get outta here with that.

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    You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game, their chances of winning a division, their chances of winning a conference, and a shot at the Super Bowl, that they chose to risk serious injury to the ONE person who is most responsible for any glory or failure they will experience in their careers on this team?
     
    You actually believe a group of white-hating, anti-America, pro-crime black players playing for a franchise noted for having bad boys would care/think that far ahead, and value that higher than racial loyalty and doing what other blacks tell them?

    Get outta here.

    , @Brutusale
    Quite a few people have never been in a real locker room, never mind a huddle in a football game. Most know not to comment on what happens there.

    Many times I lined up next to guys I couldn't stand, and I'm sure a few would say the same about me. To be a teammate, however, means you all move in the same direction. That said, what's more important now to a militant NFL brutha, winning the game or making a point?

    It's easy for an offensive lineman to tank on a few plays without serious repercussions. The direction you take is based on your reading of what the guys opposite you are doing and you react accordingly, within the parameters of the play called. "Sorry, Coach, I read a stunt by the tackle!" is a perfectly logical defense for an o-lineman after his QB gets sacked.

    All of which is why so many successful coaches look for "character" guys. Bill Belichick does, which is why he's the Dark Lord.
    , @Daniel H
    >>You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game........

    Yes, I do. Just another case of fragging the lieutenant.
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  204. @415 reasons
    Regardless of whether they're right wing or left wing as individuals, their organization has become one of the most prominent disseminaters of PC social justice poison in our society. Corporate culture is becoming left wing / pro social justice by default. You can see this, for instance, in the stance that Merck's CEO came out with against Trump's business panel after Charlottesville. It's hard to organize a boycott of Merck over that incident or in general to make this kind of inane virtue signaling costly to the corporate decision makers perpetuating this insidious change in American culture. The NFL, however, is uniquely vulnerable to a loss of support both by virtue of its constant need for customer engagement (you have to actively decide to watch or attend a game) and the more rightward slant of its customer base (skews towards older married white men). Boycotting the NFL is one minor but potentially effective way that we can try to send a message to the de facto left wing corporate interests poisoning our mass media to say if you insist on inserting polarizing left wing political views into non-political aspects of our culture you will pay a financial price. That's why I'm not watching any NFL anything anymore.

    Why not just record or quasi-legally download games you’re interested in? That’s what I do. In addition to depriving them of official viewership data, I can also fast-forward over the boring 30 or so seconds after the play is over to the next snap. This cuts down viewing time by more than half and doesn’t really detract any enjoyment from the game.

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    This whole incident has made me so disgusted by the league that I have reevaluated if I want to spend mental energy worrying about the ups and downs of a bunch of surrogate warriors fighting for my metro area.
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  205. @whorefinder

    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the “fourth official”* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.
     
    Interesting, I haven't watched in years (never liked soccer). Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there's still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.

    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team’s performance the next game is kinda daft – particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail’s pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.
     
    And the other team is straining to score. What's your point? In any sport with a clock you'll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we’ll see a season finale that exciting.
     
    Which is exactly the highlight reel-argument they use when people suggest removing the practice. I'm not against injury time, I'm against the sleight of hand used to calculate it.

    In the NFL, the official time remaining in the game was kept in a referee’s pocket up through about 1968, while an unofficial time was kept on scoreboard. Around 1969, a simple rule change made the scoreboard time the official time in the game, which greatly improved the last two minutes of games because fans could follow along with a Staubach or a Montana on just how much time was left for them to complete their game-winning drive.

    Why did the NFL not make that change earlier? Well, a lot of sports’rules start out with the assumption that you need only a minimum number of officials, such as a referee, and you don’t need a dedicated timekeeper or scoreboard clock. The NFL was like that in the distant past, but over time it evolved to requiring a huge expense in infrastructure.

    Soccer was slower to evolve in that direction. The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to “fix” soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

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    I think the general idea in soccer is to keep leading teams from trying to kill the clock. So stoppages of the action for injuries, celebrating goals, etc., get added to stoppage time.

    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack. Same idea.

    This is in contrast to football where leading teams can kill the final minute or two by taking a knee if the other team is out of timeouts.
    , @whorefinder
    Sounds like the NFL made a lot of major changes in the late 1960s. The AFL merger, the Super Bowl, the time clock. All of that, I would wager, greatly contributed to the game increased popularity. Now they're going backwards by supporting criminality.
    , @silviosilver

    The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to “fix” soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.
     
    That willingness to innovate is what I've always loved about American sports. For instance, the addition of a shot clock and three-point line had a considerable impact on basketball and made it a more exciting game. A change of equivalent magnitude in soccer would have the purists up in arms.

    Talking about the World Cup, you probably didn't watch the 1990 final between W. Germany and Argentina. Defying HBD expectations, a theatrical dive by a German player got an Argie sent off, and the game was decided by a Mexican ref awarding a dubious penalty not to his hispanic brothers, but to Germany.
    , @David In TN
    I remember when the TV announcers would tell you the scoreboard time was unofficial and a referee kept the official time.
    , @mobi

    Americans are always coming up with ways to “fix” soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.
     
    Soccer has great untapped potential. It can and should be a beautiful game. And so full of atmosphere compared to the sterile corporate North American sports event experience.

    Somewhere between the endless 'nil-nil' 90 minute ordeals, and the 'last-team-to-score-wins' of basketball, lies a happy medium.

    All they need to do is change the off-side rule in soccer, and the game opens up in a purely natural way. No gimmicks necessary to goose the score. It's the existing, completely arbitrary, way in which off-side is under the control of the defence that strangles so much of the potential excitement of the game. Too much power is given to the defenders. Off-side should be defined by a fixed line on the field (similar to hockey).

    They won't change it, though, because it's very much a point of pride at this point among fans that it isn't popular in America. It's a source of identity even. 'Small man syndrome', of sorts.
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  206. @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    Right, because no true Scotsman would be pro-white and pro-Trump.

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  207. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @The Z Blog
    There are a number of things at play here. All sports are experiencing a decline in attendance. College football is has been feeling it for a while. Basketball at all levels is down. There's also the fact that the NFL product has become boring while it has become over-hyped. At the games the circus atmosphere is overdone. On TV they carry on like it is the rapture.

    The Africanization of football is another factor. The NBA embraced black culture in the 90's and it was a disaster from which they never fully recovered. Whites don't just want to see blacks behaving like whites. They hate seeing blacks acting black. That is a rejection of everything the Cuck-o-sphere has been preaching for decades. Protesting the flag was the worst possible decision.

    There's something else. Cord cutting is now hip and cool. Not watching the NFL is suddenly trendy with dissident whites. I have a number of friends who used to be season ticket holders and now they no longer go to games or follow the NFL. They are not political. They cut the cord and found happiness in dropping out of pop culture.

    I didn’t see the game Monday night, but this was a pretty exciting play.

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  208. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    In the NFL, the official time remaining in the game was kept in a referee's pocket up through about 1968, while an unofficial time was kept on scoreboard. Around 1969, a simple rule change made the scoreboard time the official time in the game, which greatly improved the last two minutes of games because fans could follow along with a Staubach or a Montana on just how much time was left for them to complete their game-winning drive.

    Why did the NFL not make that change earlier? Well, a lot of sports'rules start out with the assumption that you need only a minimum number of officials, such as a referee, and you don't need a dedicated timekeeper or scoreboard clock. The NFL was like that in the distant past, but over time it evolved to requiring a huge expense in infrastructure.

    Soccer was slower to evolve in that direction. The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to "fix" soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

    I think the general idea in soccer is to keep leading teams from trying to kill the clock. So stoppages of the action for injuries, celebrating goals, etc., get added to stoppage time.

    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack. Same idea.

    This is in contrast to football where leading teams can kill the final minute or two by taking a knee if the other team is out of timeouts.

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    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack.
     
    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack. We'd go bonkers at the unfairness. Heck, every four years Americans suddenly get very crazed about our figure skaters' scores being unfairly held down by arbitrary decisions by Olympic judges.

    Since soccer is so international, I can't help but think influence of non-Northern Europeans have influenced this lackadaisical/shady approach to time keeping in the sport.

    In the U.S., where all these other sports have developed in a culture that was Anglo-American dominated (football, basketball, hockey, and boxing were either created or heavily influenced by Americans of the late 19th and early 20th century), I can't help but think the WASP sense of fairness/honesty influenced these strict time-keeping rules in sports with timers. This applies to other sports without time-keepers, such as golf, where honesty on the scorecard is WASP sacrament.

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  209. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    If you are White, and go to an NFL game, aren't you advertising the fact that you are a cuck?

    Not many want to do that.

    I think anyone who uses the word “cuck” in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.

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    I would think that tendency towards irony/sarcasm differs, even if everyone can understand it in some way.

    When I lived in Russia, all accidental attempts at sarcasm (I'm a very sarcastic person, naturally) fell totally flat. My fiancé and his parents, all Polish, usually don't get straight-faced sarcasm, even though they have lived in the US for decades. They say that Poles don't use sarcasm, period.
    , @whorefinder

    I think anyone who uses the word “cuck” in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.
     
    Don't worry, Truthiness. No one will ever call you a cuck.

    "Cuck" is reserved for men who showed an outward sign of manliness before proving themselves a weak coward and never redeeming themselves.

    As we all know, you've never displayed any hint of manliness, ever. You're just a little girl. ;)
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  210. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation. No one else will feed, clothe or medicate them and either they will be declared a nuisance and wiped out on purpose or some disease, like AIDS or Ebola will erupt and there will be a huge die off. Black genes in mulatto and zambo populations will survive but the pure Negro will be as extinct as the passenger pigeon.

    So we’re going to outlive you?!?!

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  211. whorefinder says: • Website
    @e
    The most important person on a football team is the quarterback. The most important person on the Raiders is Derek Carr.

    With a healthy Carr, the Raiders can win. With a broken Carr, they lose and lose big. (Evidence: the playoff loss last year w/out Carr, the reg. season games w/out Carr.)

    You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game, their chances of winning a division, their chances of winning a conference, and a shot at the Super Bowl, that they chose to risk serious injury to the ONE person who is most responsible for any glory or failure they will experience in their careers on this team?

    Further, you believe all this even though Carr and several of his linemen are close friends as well as teammates?

    Get outta here with that.

    You actually believe a story that suggests the offensive linemen of the Raiders undermined their chances of winning a game, their chances of winning a division, their chances of winning a conference, and a shot at the Super Bowl, that they chose to risk serious injury to the ONE person who is most responsible for any glory or failure they will experience in their careers on this team?

    You actually believe a group of white-hating, anti-America, pro-crime black players playing for a franchise noted for having bad boys would care/think that far ahead, and value that higher than racial loyalty and doing what other blacks tell them?

    Get outta here.

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    Guess you haven't been paying attention to the Reggie McKenzie/Mark Davis "bad boys." I have. I've been following them for about 50 years. This aren't the Al Davis Raiders of decades ago. The only "bad boy" of note is the recently signed Marshawn Lynch and there's a backstory to his one year contract and return from retirement that I won't go into.

    There are a lot of what some rowdy fans might call "choir boys" on the team but let me get back to the topic.

    Yeah, I'm telling you that no matter how black players might feel deep down on that team, most of them felt that being with this team this year might be a path to glory and yeah, I'm telling you they wouldn't sacrifice their qb.

    An offensive lineman is one of the least appreciated people on a football team. Most of them don't get the recognition or glory or salary that most of their opponents in the trenches, the defensive linemen, receive.

    Their shot at glory is the Lombardi.

    You sound like someone who has never participated in competitive team athletics nor watched or studied team sports long enough to grasp some insight into what motivates its participants.


    I do know more than most about the team. I'll leave it at that.

    Further, it's clear you've no knowledge of the relationship between this particular qb and his line.

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  212. @whorefinder

    When was the last time you watched a game? Having the “fourth official”* hold up a digital display indicating how much injury time the ref has decided on has been standard practise for years now.
     
    Interesting, I haven't watched in years (never liked soccer). Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there's still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.

    The idea that having to run for a couple extra minutes will make any appreciable difference in the team’s performance the next game is kinda daft – particularly when you consider that in half the games by that point one team is slowing the game to a snail’s pace by using every time-wasting trick in the book to in order to run out the clock.
     
    And the other team is straining to score. What's your point? In any sport with a clock you'll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.

    In favor of injury time, it has produced some classic finishes. Manchester City clinching the 2012 Premier League ahead of city rivals Man United by scoring two goals in injury time was one for the ages. If the Premier League lasts another thousand years I doubt we’ll see a season finale that exciting.
     
    Which is exactly the highlight reel-argument they use when people suggest removing the practice. I'm not against injury time, I'm against the sleight of hand used to calculate it.

    Still, shenanigans are probable, as it would be so simple to sync the injury time to the scoreboard, and just stop the clock openly during injury time to be honest. The fact that there’s still-too-convoluted system on injury time means someone else is likely directing how much time should be there, and not merely the ref.

    To me almost everything about officiating in soccer is primitive. Look how many refs basketball has on a “field” fifteen times smaller. In contrast, soccer for the longest time was stuck with one poor bastard trying to oversea the whole thing before the authorities finally relented and allowed the linesmen to call some fouls.

    And the other team is straining to score. What’s your point? In any sport with a clock you’ll have one team trying to run it out. In other sports this is done honestly on the scoreboard, only in soccer does it seem like something done by divination.

    It’s much easier to slow the game down in soccer than to speed it up, that’s obvious.

    I can’t really think of any other sports in which running the clock down forms such a large part tactics. Football and basketball, for instance, penalize you for taking too long; and scoring points is enough of a threat that turning over possession is something worth avoiding, whereas in soccer the risk of the other team scoring on you is minimal, particularly if you pack the defense, so kicking the ball up the field to no one is worth it for the time it wastes.

    Obviously you can take a kneel in football in the dying seconds, but no one would dream of trying to defend a 7-0 lead at halftime with time-wasting. In soccer, underdogs who find themselves 1-0 up often begin time-wasting tactics straight away.

    (In recent years, playing what in local parlance is known as “keepings off” to run the clock down has become a tactic in Australia Rules. Commentators used to blast it as unsportsmanlike, but they’re more rational about it these days. Fans still tend to look down on it.)

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  213. Truth says:
    @whorefinder

    So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.
     
    lmao. It's adorable how you try to argue with a strawman version of me. I look forward to your beating up mannequins that look me next, and then declaring that you beat me up.

    More seriously, can anyone make sense of Truth's nonsensical word-salad argument vis-a-vis my comment? I think he's trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal, but his low-IQ and hilariously bad jibber jabber gets in the way. His argument's's quite a fantastic leap, even for a leftist white-hater, but I'm sure Mr. Soros makes such "logic leaps" part of the Marxist curriculum where he works.

    Still, thanks for the laugh at your expense, Truthiness.

    I think he’s trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal,

    Well, no, Christopher Langham; I’m arguing that ALL sports, including even the lilly-whitest are declining in viewership, which a man of your obvious and towering intellect would take as a large neon sign, to drop this imbecilic “fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM” silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.

    As far as debating you, that, Sport, I can not do. I think John-Herik Clarke said it best…

    So get your notebook and a #2 pencil out; you might learn something.

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    ROFL. Such aggressive trolls at Media Matters these days! The Juicebox Mafia lives!


    drop this imbecilic “fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM” silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.
     
    ROFL. It s amusing how in denial the SJWs are how about the anthem protests are killing the league. Tons of bad press in the blogs, people burning their NFL gear in protest, the owners feeling the need to continually release statements on the issue....

    But Truthiness says : "All is well! Not linked to the anti-American, pro-black criminal players insult to the flag! STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW!!!!"

    Who ya gonna believe, Truthiness, or your lyin' eyes?

    SJWs always lie. Even the imbecilic ones, like ol' Truthiness here.

    Bless his heart.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Truth says, "I only debate with my equals, all others I teach."

    You lump your superiors in with your inferiors? Hmmm, interesting....

    , @AM

    Well, no, Christopher Langham; I’m arguing that ALL sports, including even the lilly-whitest are declining in viewership, which a man of your obvious and towering intellect would take as a large neon sign, to drop this imbecilic “fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM” silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.
     
    So...tell me oh master of all that is intellectual, what affect might kneeling at the national anthem have on an already declining, mostly white, highly patriotic fan base?

    I'm sorry I don't have a meme ready to post to make it a bit more obvious. I know it's easier for you to learn when there are pictures with the words.
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  214. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    In the NFL, the official time remaining in the game was kept in a referee's pocket up through about 1968, while an unofficial time was kept on scoreboard. Around 1969, a simple rule change made the scoreboard time the official time in the game, which greatly improved the last two minutes of games because fans could follow along with a Staubach or a Montana on just how much time was left for them to complete their game-winning drive.

    Why did the NFL not make that change earlier? Well, a lot of sports'rules start out with the assumption that you need only a minimum number of officials, such as a referee, and you don't need a dedicated timekeeper or scoreboard clock. The NFL was like that in the distant past, but over time it evolved to requiring a huge expense in infrastructure.

    Soccer was slower to evolve in that direction. The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to "fix" soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

    Sounds like the NFL made a lot of major changes in the late 1960s. The AFL merger, the Super Bowl, the time clock. All of that, I would wager, greatly contributed to the game increased popularity. Now they’re going backwards by supporting criminality.

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  215. Truth says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    Not “Dutch”? He was divorced after all!

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  216. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    I think the general idea in soccer is to keep leading teams from trying to kill the clock. So stoppages of the action for injuries, celebrating goals, etc., get added to stoppage time.

    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack. Same idea.

    This is in contrast to football where leading teams can kill the final minute or two by taking a knee if the other team is out of timeouts.

    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack.

    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack. We’d go bonkers at the unfairness. Heck, every four years Americans suddenly get very crazed about our figure skaters’ scores being unfairly held down by arbitrary decisions by Olympic judges.

    Since soccer is so international, I can’t help but think influence of non-Northern Europeans have influenced this lackadaisical/shady approach to time keeping in the sport.

    In the U.S., where all these other sports have developed in a culture that was Anglo-American dominated (football, basketball, hockey, and boxing were either created or heavily influenced by Americans of the late 19th and early 20th century), I can’t help but think the WASP sense of fairness/honesty influenced these strict time-keeping rules in sports with timers. This applies to other sports without time-keepers, such as golf, where honesty on the scorecard is WASP sacrament.

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    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack.
     
    That's already the case in the NFL. There's nothing shady about it. If you snap the ball with 1 second left, the game doesn't stop when that 1 second ticks off. You can still score with no time on the clock. And if there's a defensive penalty, you'll get another shot at it, even if there's no time left.
    , @27 year old

    Since soccer is so international, I can’t help but think influence of non-Northern Europeans have influenced this lackadaisical/shady approach to time keeping in the sport.

    In the U.S., where all these other sports have developed in a culture that was Anglo-American dominated (football, basketball, hockey, and boxing were either created or heavily influenced by Americans of the late 19th and early 20th century), I can’t help but think the WASP sense of fairness/honesty influenced these strict time-keeping rules
     
    I see it more like soccer is a more natural game, paleo-conservative, human, whereas football/basketball rely on imposed technical/modern structures, legalistic approach. I do think that somewhat reflects early 20th century America, but I wouldn't necessarily call it WASPy.

    Watching the end of a NFL game as they deliberately take knees or spike the ball (depending on the situation) or basketball game's parade of intentional fouls, I see that as trying to win the game on technicalities. Winning the game by manipulating the rules of the game, rather than displaying the skills the game is supposed to highlight like running, throwing? Sports field as a courtroom... I think to myself "god damn, this is jewish af".

    Stoppage time is a great way to allow for things to play out. If a team is making a serious attack, who cares if they take an extra 10 seconds? The game is supposed to be approximately a certain length long, to ensure that we don't tie up our entire day and because that's about the limit of what the players can do physically, not because 90 minutes actually matters. It's not shady that the game time can be non-fixed, because everyone plays by it. And it's way better than the "put 0.3 seconds back on the game clock"
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  217. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    I saw one saying the thug was "a good kid". He should be in jail.

    It had to be a sucker punch. No way a professional athlete gets that injured by a punch he sees coming. You don't see those kinds of injuries in a typical basketball fight.

    Dang Pinsen, you’re usually level-headed and generally well-informed about things.

    The “sucker punch” tweet that broke this story has been debunked (something-something lie travel half-way around the world before truth put its boots on…).

    It’s never going to come out officially, but all the well-known NBA scoop reporters (Woj, etc) have tweeted that the Mirotic was the clear instigator. It’s been unanimous. Mirotic purportedly aggressively came at and shoved Portis multiple times before finally getting punched in self-defense (i.e. by real world/street justice standard).

    This explains the reaction by the team and the league. The Bulls GM even announced that “sucker punch” is an unfair characterization.

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    I read that one of them was angry because the other had spoiled that week's episode of Ballers. Mirotic may have been the instigator of the shoving match, but I highly doubt Mirotic shoved Portis multiple times without Portis shoving back. That sort of restraint after physical contact is just not common in African American culture. What I suspect happened is they shoved each other a couple of times, and then Mirotic turned away to leave, at which point Portis hit him. As I said the type of injuries he sustained are not common when a professional athlete sees a punch coming.

    That the GM called "sucker punch" an unfair characterization doesn't surprise me. Maybe when Mirotic's jaw isn't wired shut he can give his version of the events.
    , @Chase
    I can't think of a single reason a conspiracy of voices all associated with the NBA might try to draw attention away from black misbehavior can you? After all, SJWs never lie.
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  218. @Steve Sailer
    In the NFL, the official time remaining in the game was kept in a referee's pocket up through about 1968, while an unofficial time was kept on scoreboard. Around 1969, a simple rule change made the scoreboard time the official time in the game, which greatly improved the last two minutes of games because fans could follow along with a Staubach or a Montana on just how much time was left for them to complete their game-winning drive.

    Why did the NFL not make that change earlier? Well, a lot of sports'rules start out with the assumption that you need only a minimum number of officials, such as a referee, and you don't need a dedicated timekeeper or scoreboard clock. The NFL was like that in the distant past, but over time it evolved to requiring a huge expense in infrastructure.

    Soccer was slower to evolve in that direction. The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to "fix" soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

    The rules of a World Cup final are still strikingly similar to a sandlot game between two neighborhood teams. Americans are always coming up with ways to “fix” soccer, but soccer seems to be doing fine and might not even be quite as much in need of fixing as Americans assume.

    That willingness to innovate is what I’ve always loved about American sports. For instance, the addition of a shot clock and three-point line had a considerable impact on basketball and made it a more exciting game. A change of equivalent magnitude in soccer would have the purists up in arms.

    Talking about the World Cup, you probably didn’t watch the 1990 final between W. Germany and Argentina. Defying HBD expectations, a theatrical dive by a German player got an Argie sent off, and the game was decided by a Mexican ref awarding a dubious penalty not to his hispanic brothers, but to Germany.

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    Talking about the World Cup, you probably didn’t watch the 1990 final between W. Germany and Argentina. Defying HBD expectations, a theatrical dive by a German player got an Argie sent off, and the game was decided by a Mexican ref awarding a dubious penalty not to his hispanic brothers, but to Germany.

    Many of the most egregious examples of poor sportsmanship in international soccer in my lifetime - starting with the Austria farce at the 1982 World Cup - have involved Germans. They've always been unapologetic - smirking too - resorting to their usual legalese. Same with Formula One actually. The Latin-ish French have a greater sense of fairness than the Germans.

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  219. @Anonymous
    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation. No one else will feed, clothe or medicate them and either they will be declared a nuisance and wiped out on purpose or some disease, like AIDS or Ebola will erupt and there will be a huge die off. Black genes in mulatto and zambo populations will survive but the pure Negro will be as extinct as the passenger pigeon.

    When the white man is but a memory the sub-Saharan negro will follow the megafauna of his native lands into extinction within a generation

    That’s certainly one possible outcome of the “End of History and the Last White Man” thesis.

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  220. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder

    UFC is going to supplant boxing
     
    Where have you been? UFC supplanted boxing 15-20 years ago.

    UFC can actually shoot for bigger, and supplant the NFL. Imagine if the UFC became more popular sport than the NFL, which would be a near reversal back to the Depression era, when hand-to-hand-combat (in the form of boxing) was way more popular than professional football.

    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don’t know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    Liking UFC women’s fighting is not something you especially want to advertise. I also like the fact that some of the girls have a sketchy past. I prefer it with no details, so I don’t really know. But there seem to be bios that don’t exactly add up.

    I’m far from hardcore and never likely to be a fan. But I will watch Rhonda. The whole sport is a bit too violent for my taste.

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    When I researched women's boxing to review Clint Eastwood's Oscar-winning lady boxer movie, I found that a very large fraction of female boxers were prostitutes.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    For women's MMA to stay popular, I think you need a couple of elements that are tough to balance in a contact sport:

    1) You need women who are attractive, at least when cleaned up out of the ring.

    2) You need it to not get too bloody. Some girl caught a roundhouse kick the face last Friday in Bellator contest and it was a bloody mess.

    The off-brand MMA league that used to be broadcast on Showtime had their own Rousey with Gina Carano, but they let her get pummeled by a dikey Brazilian girl who tested positive for steroids. I think that was the end of Carano's MMA career.
    , @whorefinder

    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don’t know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.
     
    lol. Chick fighting is like chick soccer: they can be beaten by 16 year old high school boys. Not even worth the freak factor for viewing, since the majority of women are ugly and/or lesbians.

    Rousey overplayed herself when she in all seriousness declared that she could beat Floyd Mayweather in an UFC fight because she had mat and ground skills and he just knew how to box. (This was long before MacGregor-Mayweather had even been conceived). The backlash against her was harsh, and she backtracked.

    For the record, if Floyd Mayweather got into a UFC ring ---or any ring---with Rousey and didn't hold back he would literally put her into a coma. In the first round. But ladies do get so delusional about their power (witness any drunk girl in a bad mood at a bar).

    Rousey was good at self-promo, but she wasn't even that pretty, and not even the best at her own sport. Now she was rumored to be in a remake of Roadhouse (as the bouncer) which is hilarious in itself. After Girlbusters tanked the feminazi pushers in Hollywood backed down. I wonder if it's even still being made.

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  221. @anon
    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don't know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    Liking UFC women's fighting is not something you especially want to advertise. I also like the fact that some of the girls have a sketchy past. I prefer it with no details, so I don't really know. But there seem to be bios that don't exactly add up.

    I'm far from hardcore and never likely to be a fan. But I will watch Rhonda. The whole sport is a bit too violent for my taste.

    When I researched women’s boxing to review Clint Eastwood’s Oscar-winning lady boxer movie, I found that a very large fraction of female boxers were prostitutes.

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    Women who do unfeminine things---like engage in fisticuffs---generally have a lot of baggage that got them to do it. Something as extreme as beating each other up comes from some extremely bad background. Prostitution also doesn't surprise me, though it's probably far from high class escorting and more like drug-addicts needing money for their fix.

    I would love an (honest) study of how many feminist leaders suffer from either severe mental health problems and/or were actually sexually abused as children. Most seem to need lots of therapy and medication just to deal with day-to-day interactions, and this is what causes them to see patriarchial oppression and rape in everything men do.

    I know the woman who wrote the S.C.U.M. manifesto had to be institutionalized for her crazy. And almost every feminist has some kind of breakdown story she tells for sympathy. Betty Friedan was clearly either schizophrenic or else had severe BPD.

    Really, though, if it turns out most have severe mental issues, it would be a lot easier to get women (and men) to stop listening to them. "This woman has schizophrenia and is bipolar, and you think she 's accurately judging how human beings interact and what's wrong with society?"
    , @ThreeCranes
    Aside. When she was in high school Hillary Swank used to hang out at the locally famous coffee shop (Tony's in Fairhaven, WA) with her pretty girl friends. Even then she had a distinctive face that you couldn't help but notice. But who knew....?

    http://notjustabroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Fairhaven-Terminal-Right-Size.jpg

    http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/31179762.jpg

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  222. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @whorefinder

    Even in stoppage time, the refs will sometimes let the action continue, if one team is in the middle of an attack.
     
    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack. We'd go bonkers at the unfairness. Heck, every four years Americans suddenly get very crazed about our figure skaters' scores being unfairly held down by arbitrary decisions by Olympic judges.

    Since soccer is so international, I can't help but think influence of non-Northern Europeans have influenced this lackadaisical/shady approach to time keeping in the sport.

    In the U.S., where all these other sports have developed in a culture that was Anglo-American dominated (football, basketball, hockey, and boxing were either created or heavily influenced by Americans of the late 19th and early 20th century), I can't help but think the WASP sense of fairness/honesty influenced these strict time-keeping rules in sports with timers. This applies to other sports without time-keepers, such as golf, where honesty on the scorecard is WASP sacrament.

    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack.

    That’s already the case in the NFL. There’s nothing shady about it. If you snap the ball with 1 second left, the game doesn’t stop when that 1 second ticks off. You can still score with no time on the clock. And if there’s a defensive penalty, you’ll get another shot at it, even if there’s no time left.

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    That’s already the case in the NFL. There’s nothing shady about it. If you snap the ball with 1 second left, the game doesn’t stop when that 1 second ticks off. You can still score with no time on the clock. And if there’s a defensive penalty, you’ll get another shot at it, even if there’s no time left.
     
    Not the same thing and you know it. That's based on a hard and fast rule: if a play is launched before the clock runs out it finishes with a tackle/out of bounds/score. In soccer there's no hard and fast rule, just how the ref "feels" at the moment.

    Clear delineation of ending v. shady "feelz."
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  223. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anon
    Dang Pinsen, you're usually level-headed and generally well-informed about things.

    The "sucker punch" tweet that broke this story has been debunked (something-something lie travel half-way around the world before truth put its boots on...).

    It's never going to come out officially, but all the well-known NBA scoop reporters (Woj, etc) have tweeted that the Mirotic was the clear instigator. It's been unanimous. Mirotic purportedly aggressively came at and shoved Portis multiple times before finally getting punched in self-defense (i.e. by real world/street justice standard).

    This explains the reaction by the team and the league. The Bulls GM even announced that "sucker punch" is an unfair characterization.

    I read that one of them was angry because the other had spoiled that week’s episode of Ballers. Mirotic may have been the instigator of the shoving match, but I highly doubt Mirotic shoved Portis multiple times without Portis shoving back. That sort of restraint after physical contact is just not common in African American culture. What I suspect happened is they shoved each other a couple of times, and then Mirotic turned away to leave, at which point Portis hit him. As I said the type of injuries he sustained are not common when a professional athlete sees a punch coming.

    That the GM called “sucker punch” an unfair characterization doesn’t surprise me. Maybe when Mirotic’s jaw isn’t wired shut he can give his version of the events.

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    Mirotic is the highest paid player on the team at $12.5 million/yr.

    Every week that he cannot play costs the Bulls $240,000.

    Bobby Portis makes $1.5 million/yr.

    1) Maybe Portis is a little jealous.
    2) If the situation were reversed, do you doubt for a moment that the Bulls would have Mirotic on the next plane back to the old country?

    NBA : Where the inmates run the asylum
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  224. @Lagertha
    The game has not been dying for years. But, agree that it will die in 50+ years because the hitting is too much/300lbs of force; helmets have not kept up with blunt force math; and, lastly, most parents will enroll their children in rugby and soccer - so much cheaper for equipment - much more egalitarian in all kids able to play.

    No, the NFL has been on a clear downward trend for years. I noticed that with my kids 10 years ago. When a sport loses the next generation, its time is numbered. Both football and baseball do not engage kids and teenagers the way my generation is engaged. Baseball will survive better because it is a great live event. It is hard to imagine the NFL scaling back to where the NHL is now, but that seems to be where it is going, and the anthem dispute is hurting the NFL so badly partly because the NFL is weak and can’t defend itself effectively,

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    Man, are you just not the biggest, anti-American wimp of all time! Please, stay in Europe (my world) forever. Just hope your kids have a future there..sheesh you are so insufferable. Get a backbone..and that's coming from a woman.
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  225. @Anonym
    You can’t be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    His kids aren't exactly supported by welfare.

    His kids aren’t exactly supported by welfare.

    They haven’t done an honest days work in their lives. And government subsidies are the real-estate developer’s bread and butter.

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    They've never worked for an NGO for a day in their lives! They've never curated an art exhibition in Chelsea after hours!
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  226. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anon
    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don't know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    Liking UFC women's fighting is not something you especially want to advertise. I also like the fact that some of the girls have a sketchy past. I prefer it with no details, so I don't really know. But there seem to be bios that don't exactly add up.

    I'm far from hardcore and never likely to be a fan. But I will watch Rhonda. The whole sport is a bit too violent for my taste.

    For women’s MMA to stay popular, I think you need a couple of elements that are tough to balance in a contact sport:

    1) You need women who are attractive, at least when cleaned up out of the ring.

    2) You need it to not get too bloody. Some girl caught a roundhouse kick the face last Friday in Bellator contest and it was a bloody mess.

    The off-brand MMA league that used to be broadcast on Showtime had their own Rousey with Gina Carano, but they let her get pummeled by a dikey Brazilian girl who tested positive for steroids. I think that was the end of Carano’s MMA career.

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    Women's MMA is a freak side show, like the WNBA.
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  227. @Lagertha
    And, I'm sure you are the most moral man on the planet! - fouhgetaboudid. Get a life! Did it never occur to you that people don't care that Trump is obtuse, speaks funny, is awkward? He was chosen by a large consortium of people to run for President - he was the last chance.

    he was the last chance.

    Did it ever occur to you that if Trump is the last chance then there is already nothing worth saving? I am just glad I live in Europe. Strache, Orban and Le Pen may have their flaws, but they are not idiots and not con men, and they actually love and cherish the culture that their ancestors produced.

    I get why Bannon saw Trump as the best chance, and he may be right that Trump can lead to someone better. There is also a very good chance that Trump will end up being the nail in the coffin for white nationalism in the United States. Certainly Trump’s track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.

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    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.
     
    The USFL was a huge long shot. That shows ambition, rather than "a reverse Midas touch". Trump's successes easily outweigh his failures. The Apprentice, which he co-produced and starred in, was huge success until he went to the White House and Arnold took over. The silliest meme of 2015 was that Trump was a "fake" billionaire. He lived in a penthouse on top of a skyscraper with his name on it on the corner of 57th Street and 5th Avenue in Manhattan.
    , @whorefinder

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure
     
    a $10 billion dollar company, worldwide fame, a hit reality show, a comeback from bankruptcy, best-selling books, and a shocking come from nowhere victory in presidential race?

    Yeah, pure fail on his part. (/sarcasm)

    lol
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  228. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anon
    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don't know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    Liking UFC women's fighting is not something you especially want to advertise. I also like the fact that some of the girls have a sketchy past. I prefer it with no details, so I don't really know. But there seem to be bios that don't exactly add up.

    I'm far from hardcore and never likely to be a fan. But I will watch Rhonda. The whole sport is a bit too violent for my taste.

    They had something with Rhonda Rousey. I don’t know if she can get it back. She has a star quality that was unique.

    lol. Chick fighting is like chick soccer: they can be beaten by 16 year old high school boys. Not even worth the freak factor for viewing, since the majority of women are ugly and/or lesbians.

    Rousey overplayed herself when she in all seriousness declared that she could beat Floyd Mayweather in an UFC fight because she had mat and ground skills and he just knew how to box. (This was long before MacGregor-Mayweather had even been conceived). The backlash against her was harsh, and she backtracked.

    For the record, if Floyd Mayweather got into a UFC ring —or any ring—with Rousey and didn’t hold back he would literally put her into a coma. In the first round. But ladies do get so delusional about their power (witness any drunk girl in a bad mood at a bar).

    Rousey was good at self-promo, but she wasn’t even that pretty, and not even the best at her own sport. Now she was rumored to be in a remake of Roadhouse (as the bouncer) which is hilarious in itself. After Girlbusters tanked the feminazi pushers in Hollywood backed down. I wonder if it’s even still being made.

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    "Chick fighting is like chick soccer: they can be beaten by 16 year old high school boys."

    Simply not true. A professional woman MMA fighter would beat 99% of average non-professional males in a fight.

    What percentage of weekend male golfers could beat a professional woman golfer?

    What percentage of male club tennis players could beat Serena Williams?

    It is likely the same rule applies to fighting against women at the elite levels.
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  229. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Exactly my point about it being shady.

    Imagine if in the NBA or NFL or NHL or even boxing/MMA, when time ran out the ref could let the action continue if, in his judgment, one team was in the middle of an attack.
     
    That's already the case in the NFL. There's nothing shady about it. If you snap the ball with 1 second left, the game doesn't stop when that 1 second ticks off. You can still score with no time on the clock. And if there's a defensive penalty, you'll get another shot at it, even if there's no time left.

    That’s already the case in the NFL. There’s nothing shady about it. If you snap the ball with 1 second left, the game doesn’t stop when that 1 second ticks off. You can still score with no time on the clock. And if there’s a defensive penalty, you’ll get another shot at it, even if there’s no time left.

    Not the same thing and you know it. That’s based on a hard and fast rule: if a play is launched before the clock runs out it finishes with a tackle/out of bounds/score. In soccer there’s no hard and fast rule, just how the ref “feels” at the moment.

    Clear delineation of ending v. shady “feelz.”

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  230. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    For women's MMA to stay popular, I think you need a couple of elements that are tough to balance in a contact sport:

    1) You need women who are attractive, at least when cleaned up out of the ring.

    2) You need it to not get too bloody. Some girl caught a roundhouse kick the face last Friday in Bellator contest and it was a bloody mess.

    The off-brand MMA league that used to be broadcast on Showtime had their own Rousey with Gina Carano, but they let her get pummeled by a dikey Brazilian girl who tested positive for steroids. I think that was the end of Carano's MMA career.

    Women’s MMA is a freak side show, like the WNBA.

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    Women's MMA can sell PPV, or at least it could with Rousey. WNBA no one cares about.
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  231. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    he was the last chance.

    Did it ever occur to you that if Trump is the last chance then there is already nothing worth saving? I am just glad I live in Europe. Strache, Orban and Le Pen may have their flaws, but they are not idiots and not con men, and they actually love and cherish the culture that their ancestors produced.

    I get why Bannon saw Trump as the best chance, and he may be right that Trump can lead to someone better. There is also a very good chance that Trump will end up being the nail in the coffin for white nationalism in the United States. Certainly Trump's track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.

    The USFL was a huge long shot. That shows ambition, rather than “a reverse Midas touch”. Trump’s successes easily outweigh his failures. The Apprentice, which he co-produced and starred in, was huge success until he went to the White House and Arnold took over. The silliest meme of 2015 was that Trump was a “fake” billionaire. He lived in a penthouse on top of a skyscraper with his name on it on the corner of 57th Street and 5th Avenue in Manhattan.

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    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. And no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into. I just remember that since the 1990s the name "Trump" has been a joke in financial circles. The way all Trump's failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.
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  232. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Truth

    I think he’s trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal,
     
    Well, no, Christopher Langham; I'm arguing that ALL sports, including even the lilly-whitest are declining in viewership, which a man of your obvious and towering intellect would take as a large neon sign, to drop this imbecilic "fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM" silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.

    As far as debating you, that, Sport, I can not do. I think John-Herik Clarke said it best...

    http://www.alexdapiata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/dr-john-henrik-clarke-quotes-4617521-quote-addicts-john-henrik-clarke-quotes.jpg

    So get your notebook and a #2 pencil out; you might learn something.

    ROFL. Such aggressive trolls at Media Matters these days! The Juicebox Mafia lives!

    drop this imbecilic “fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM” silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.

    ROFL. It s amusing how in denial the SJWs are how about the anthem protests are killing the league. Tons of bad press in the blogs, people burning their NFL gear in protest, the owners feeling the need to continually release statements on the issue….

    But Truthiness says : “All is well! Not linked to the anti-American, pro-black criminal players insult to the flag! STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW!!!!”

    Who ya gonna believe, Truthiness, or your lyin’ eyes?

    SJWs always lie. Even the imbecilic ones, like ol’ Truthiness here.

    Bless his heart.

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    @whorefinder

    So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.
     
    lmao. It's adorable how you try to argue with a strawman version of me. I look forward to your beating up mannequins that look me next, and then declaring that you beat me up.

    More seriously, can anyone make sense of Truth's nonsensical word-salad argument vis-a-vis my comment? I think he's trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal, but his low-IQ and hilariously bad jibber jabber gets in the way. His argument's's quite a fantastic leap, even for a leftist white-hater, but I'm sure Mr. Soros makes such "logic leaps" part of the Marxist curriculum where he works.

    Still, thanks for the laugh at your expense, Truthiness.

    Whorefinder, you should drill down on the supporting materials Truth provides. Educate yourself. Made me look up Dr. John Henrik Clarke on the wikipedia …

    In its obituary of Baba Clarke,

    Baba? I had to look it up it’s a high honorific for a truly educated man.

    The New York Times noted that the activist’s ascension to professor emeritus at Hunter College was “unusual… without benefit of a high school diploma, let alone a Ph.D.” It acknowledged that “nobody said Professor Clarke wasn’t an academic original.” In 1994, Baba Clarke earned a doctorate from the non-accredited Pacific Western University (now California Miramar University) in Los Angeles, having earned a bachelor’s degree there in 1992.

    The July ‘88 NY Times obit for Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. also notes that …

    If some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by traditional [racist] historians as specious propaganda seeking to aggrandize African influence on Western culture, Mr. [sic] Clarke threw the charge right back, accusing white scholars of having disguised their own Eurocentric propaganda as historic fact.

    Cornell’s Africana Librarian Eric Kofi Acree also pays tribute on the Cornell University website:

    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher by Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher

    by

    Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    [Picture of John Henrik Clarke]

    John Henrik Clarke
    (1915-1998) [NB: the then unwoke NYT declared Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. dead in 1988 and published it’s slanderous obituary when Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. actually lived 10 more years until 1998. Racist conspiracy?]

    In 1986, the Africana Library was named in honor of John Henrik Clarke, who was widely recognized as a pioneer in the field of Africana Studies. Dr. Clarke played an important role in the early history of Cornell University’s Africana Studies & Research Center. He was a Distinguished Visiting Professor of African History at the Center in the 1970s. He also made an invaluable contribution to the establishment of its curricula.

    Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. was only interested in the truth …

    Clarke noticed that although many bible stories “unfolded in Africa…I saw no African people in the printed and illustrated Sunday school lessons,” he wrote in 1985. “I began to suspect at this early age that someone had distorted the image of my people. My long search for the true history of African people the world over began.”

    That search took him to libraries, museums, attics, archives and collections in Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, Latin America and Africa.

    What he found was that the history of black people is worldwide; that “the first light of human consciousness and the world’s first civilizations were in Africa”; that the so called Dark Ages were dark only for Europe and that some African nations at the time were larger than any in Europe; that as Africa sends its children to Europe to study because that is where the best universities are, early Greece once sent its children to Africa to study because that was where the best universities were; and that slavery, although devastating was neither the beginning nor the end of Black people’s impact on the world.

    Clarke gathered his findings into books on such figures as the early 20th century mass movement leader Marcus Garvey, into articles with titles like “Africa in the Conquest of Spain” and “Harlem as mecca and New Jerusalem,” and many books including American Heritage’s two volume “History of Africa.”

    A thought: It might be time to rename the District of Columbia (racist, genocidalist) to the District of Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D.

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    I am so un-woke. Truly a scholar of supreme proportions!

    Thank you, Truthiness, for enlightening us all! (/sarcasm)

    Gosh, Truthiness is, dare I say it, a more likeable troll than Tiny Duck. I suspect he's some affirmative action paid troll, and so gleefully certain he will "succeed" in trolling our articles where the "whites" lefty trolls have failed, he gleefully jumps in to make an even bigger fool of himself than the whites.

    Initial enthusiasm always has been a sign of his people. And then, when faced with resistance and difficulty, the giving up and slinking away.

    , @Truth
    You see whorefinder; this guy took his notebook and pencil out and learned something. It's not that hard.
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  234. TB says:

    Hilarious twitter battle between one Nate from a sports show called Barstool sports and Adam Best, founder of Fansided. Adam starts the show then Nate does the rest of the punching:

    Just read ESPN cancelled Barstool. Guess Nate won a battle but lost the war.

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  235. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    he was the last chance.

    Did it ever occur to you that if Trump is the last chance then there is already nothing worth saving? I am just glad I live in Europe. Strache, Orban and Le Pen may have their flaws, but they are not idiots and not con men, and they actually love and cherish the culture that their ancestors produced.

    I get why Bannon saw Trump as the best chance, and he may be right that Trump can lead to someone better. There is also a very good chance that Trump will end up being the nail in the coffin for white nationalism in the United States. Certainly Trump's track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure

    a $10 billion dollar company, worldwide fame, a hit reality show, a comeback from bankruptcy, best-selling books, and a shocking come from nowhere victory in presidential race?

    Yeah, pure fail on his part. (/sarcasm)

    lol

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    He's had spectacular success and spectacular failures at various points in his career.
    , @jim jones
    You forgot to mention Melania, a woman who looks like that can pick any man she wants
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  236. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth
    I think anyone who uses the word "cuck" in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.

    I would think that tendency towards irony/sarcasm differs, even if everyone can understand it in some way.

    When I lived in Russia, all accidental attempts at sarcasm (I’m a very sarcastic person, naturally) fell totally flat. My fiancé and his parents, all Polish, usually don’t get straight-faced sarcasm, even though they have lived in the US for decades. They say that Poles don’t use sarcasm, period.

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    Sarcasm is just meanness with a smile. It's hard to break out of it, but sarcasm is a sociopathic mindset, which is why SJWs engage in it so much, and it only reinforces sociopathic traits. Everyone is sarcastic sometimes, but they continually engage in the poison.

    You'll note Truthiness is a pretty sarcastic SJW troll, enthusiastically.
    , @Truth
    Well in that case my friend, you should really desist in using the word "cuck" at all. It's not even a word.
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  237. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    When I researched women's boxing to review Clint Eastwood's Oscar-winning lady boxer movie, I found that a very large fraction of female boxers were prostitutes.

    Women who do unfeminine things—like engage in fisticuffs—generally have a lot of baggage that got them to do it. Something as extreme as beating each other up comes from some extremely bad background. Prostitution also doesn’t surprise me, though it’s probably far from high class escorting and more like drug-addicts needing money for their fix.

    I would love an (honest) study of how many feminist leaders suffer from either severe mental health problems and/or were actually sexually abused as children. Most seem to need lots of therapy and medication just to deal with day-to-day interactions, and this is what causes them to see patriarchial oppression and rape in everything men do.

    I know the woman who wrote the S.C.U.M. manifesto had to be institutionalized for her crazy. And almost every feminist has some kind of breakdown story she tells for sympathy. Betty Friedan was clearly either schizophrenic or else had severe BPD.

    Really, though, if it turns out most have severe mental issues, it would be a lot easier to get women (and men) to stop listening to them. “This woman has schizophrenia and is bipolar, and you think she ‘s accurately judging how human beings interact and what’s wrong with society?”

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    Prostitution also doesn’t surprise me
     
    No, it wouldn't surprise you, whorefinder.
    , @Brutusale
    I believe the character of the female German boxer who suckered the protagonist in Million Dollar Baby was an ex-prostitute.
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  238. @Dave Pinsen

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure (USFL, Atlantic City, Toronto condo failure, Trump U, etc. etc. ) is depressing, and shows the man has a reverse Midas touch.
     
    The USFL was a huge long shot. That shows ambition, rather than "a reverse Midas touch". Trump's successes easily outweigh his failures. The Apprentice, which he co-produced and starred in, was huge success until he went to the White House and Arnold took over. The silliest meme of 2015 was that Trump was a "fake" billionaire. He lived in a penthouse on top of a skyscraper with his name on it on the corner of 57th Street and 5th Avenue in Manhattan.

    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. And no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into. I just remember that since the 1990s the name “Trump” has been a joke in financial circles. The way all Trump’s failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.

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    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into.
     
    So in a few sentences you admit you know nothing about his finances despite claiming that it is "well known" he's not a billionaire. He just owns properties around the world and flies around on private jets and self-financed most of his campaign and you just cast aspersions.

    So you proved yourself a liar in three sentences. Nice job!

    I just remember that since the 1990s the name “Trump” has been a joke in financial circles.
     

    "Someone I know made fun of him once, all the proof I need!"

    SJW logic. troll confirmed.


    The way all Trump’s failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.
     
    Was that the failed TV show, the failed selling of luxury apartments in New York, the failed$10 billion dollar empire, or the failed presidential run? Which failure are you trying to pretend makes him seem like he never succeeded at all? Asking for a friend.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Trump's net worth was $3 billion last year, per Bloomberg. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-21/trump-s-net-worth-slips-to-2-9-billion-as-towers-underperform
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Trump had enough cash flow to have rather large private plane.
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  239. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anonymous
    I would think that tendency towards irony/sarcasm differs, even if everyone can understand it in some way.

    When I lived in Russia, all accidental attempts at sarcasm (I'm a very sarcastic person, naturally) fell totally flat. My fiancé and his parents, all Polish, usually don't get straight-faced sarcasm, even though they have lived in the US for decades. They say that Poles don't use sarcasm, period.

    Sarcasm is just meanness with a smile. It’s hard to break out of it, but sarcasm is a sociopathic mindset, which is why SJWs engage in it so much, and it only reinforces sociopathic traits. Everyone is sarcastic sometimes, but they continually engage in the poison.

    You’ll note Truthiness is a pretty sarcastic SJW troll, enthusiastically.

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  240. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth



    I would say that’s the UFC. It’s gone from a yahoo competition (“Can Kung Fu beat Karate?”) to a very serious sport with a ton of fans and interest. What is more, the percentage of whites in the sport who have success is startlingly high;
     
    Then somebody better tell them caucasoids to start protesting the anthem...

    https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/23/16016932/ufc-on-fox-25-does-lowest-overnight-ratings-in-series-history
     
    http://www.lowkickmma.com/featured/five-reasons-ufc-ratings-are-tanking-in-2017/


    From abroad, soccer also might fit the bill,
     
    The advertisers have spoken, Old Sport... They want it to STAY abroad...

    http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/04/06/mls-tv-ratings-8-percent-compared-last-season/

    P.S. the NHL could try, too, since it’s a bunch of whites and even the majority-Canadian league are very respectful to the anthem and America and such.
     
    I'm thinking we should go for a hat trick*

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-ratings-hit-new-lows-nbc-regular-season-201324298.html


    How about a "golden sombrero" of white sports...

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

    Is there a sports cliche that aligns with 5? I can't think of one. Anyway, here you go, 5, 6, 7 and 8...

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-putting-f1-s-tv-ratings-decline-in-context-846767/

    http://awfulannouncing.com/racing/nascar-opens-2017-playoffs-lowest-rated-postseason-race-ever.html

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Roger_Federer/45629/wimbledon-final-federercilic-tv-ratings-were-worse-than-expected/

    Well now, Buddy, the news is not all bad though. There is one major sport that is doing BOFFO ratings with the white folk...

    http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-cavalers-win-nba-opener-ratings-up-over-2016-warriors-rockets-celtics-cubs-nba-mlb-tnt-tbs-1202190519/

    ...So I guess your favorite sports are just going to, well, need a few more Knee-grows in order to win fans.

    *Get it? "hat trick". It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have shitty ratings, double entendre.

    It's all good Old Bean, one of these days we'll have a drink and I'll explain "icing" and where the "blue line" is.

    *Get it? “hat trick”. It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have s_____y ratings, double entendre.

    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.

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    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.
     
    Truthiness is so full of fail, literally cataloging his fail can take a lifetime. He's like a Michelangelo painting, but in reverse: the more you look, the more hilariously bad he gets.
    , @englishmike

    I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player?
     
    That is certainly the case in English football.
    FWIW.
    , @Truth
    Well now, if "hat trick" meant simply three goals in a hockey game, than practically every game would have a "hat trick" and most would have more than one, and it would be without merit for the jargon to exist, now wouldn't it?

    "Entendre" translates roughly to "understanding" meaning "what I said could be understood two ways." There is no built-in sexual connotation to it.
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  241. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. And no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into. I just remember that since the 1990s the name "Trump" has been a joke in financial circles. The way all Trump's failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.

    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into.

    So in a few sentences you admit you know nothing about his finances despite claiming that it is “well known” he’s not a billionaire. He just owns properties around the world and flies around on private jets and self-financed most of his campaign and you just cast aspersions.

    So you proved yourself a liar in three sentences. Nice job!

    I just remember that since the 1990s the name “Trump” has been a joke in financial circles.

    “Someone I know made fun of him once, all the proof I need!”

    SJW logic. troll confirmed.

    The way all Trump’s failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.

    Was that the failed TV show, the failed selling of luxury apartments in New York, the failed$10 billion dollar empire, or the failed presidential run? Which failure are you trying to pretend makes him seem like he never succeeded at all? Asking for a friend.

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  242. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Truth
    I think anyone who uses the word "cuck" in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.

    I think anyone who uses the word “cuck” in a non-ironic fashion, is most likely advertising that he is a cuck.

    Don’t worry, Truthiness. No one will ever call you a cuck.

    “Cuck” is reserved for men who showed an outward sign of manliness before proving themselves a weak coward and never redeeming themselves.

    As we all know, you’ve never displayed any hint of manliness, ever. You’re just a little girl. ;)

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  243. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anonymous
    Whorefinder, you should drill down on the supporting materials Truth provides. Educate yourself. Made me look up Dr. John Henrik Clarke on the wikipedia …

    In its obituary of Baba Clarke,
     
    Baba? I had to look it up it’s a high honorific for a truly educated man.

    The New York Times noted that the activist's ascension to professor emeritus at Hunter College was "unusual... without benefit of a high school diploma, let alone a Ph.D." It acknowledged that "nobody said Professor Clarke wasn't an academic original." In 1994, Baba Clarke earned a doctorate from the non-accredited Pacific Western University (now California Miramar University) in Los Angeles, having earned a bachelor's degree there in 1992.
     
    The July ‘88 NY Times obit for Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. also notes that ...

    If some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by traditional [racist] historians as specious propaganda seeking to aggrandize African influence on Western culture, Mr. [sic] Clarke threw the charge right back, accusing white scholars of having disguised their own Eurocentric propaganda as historic fact.
     
    Cornell’s Africana Librarian Eric Kofi Acree also pays tribute on the Cornell University website:

    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher by Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher

    by

    Eric Kofi Acree, Africana Librarian
    [Picture of John Henrik Clarke]

    John Henrik Clarke
    (1915-1998) [NB: the then unwoke NYT declared Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. dead in 1988 and published it’s slanderous obituary when Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. actually lived 10 more years until 1998. Racist conspiracy?]

    In 1986, the Africana Library was named in honor of John Henrik Clarke, who was widely recognized as a pioneer in the field of Africana Studies. Dr. Clarke played an important role in the early history of Cornell University's Africana Studies & Research Center. He was a Distinguished Visiting Professor of African History at the Center in the 1970s. He also made an invaluable contribution to the establishment of its curricula.
     
    Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D. was only interested in the truth …

    Clarke noticed that although many bible stories "unfolded in Africa...I saw no African people in the printed and illustrated Sunday school lessons," he wrote in 1985. "I began to suspect at this early age that someone had distorted the image of my people. My long search for the true history of African people the world over began."

    That search took him to libraries, museums, attics, archives and collections in Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, Latin America and Africa.

    What he found was that the history of black people is worldwide; that "the first light of human consciousness and the world's first civilizations were in Africa"; that the so called Dark Ages were dark only for Europe and that some African nations at the time were larger than any in Europe; that as Africa sends its children to Europe to study because that is where the best universities are, early Greece once sent its children to Africa to study because that was where the best universities were; and that slavery, although devastating was neither the beginning nor the end of Black people's impact on the world.

    Clarke gathered his findings into books on such figures as the early 20th century mass movement leader Marcus Garvey, into articles with titles like "Africa in the Conquest of Spain" and "Harlem as mecca and New Jerusalem," and many books including American Heritage's two volume "History of Africa."
     
    A thought: It might be time to rename the District of Columbia (racist, genocidalist) to the District of Dr. Baba Clarke, Ph.D.

    I am so un-woke. Truly a scholar of supreme proportions!

    Thank you, Truthiness, for enlightening us all! (/sarcasm)

    Gosh, Truthiness is, dare I say it, a more likeable troll than Tiny Duck. I suspect he’s some affirmative action paid troll, and so gleefully certain he will “succeed” in trolling our articles where the “whites” lefty trolls have failed, he gleefully jumps in to make an even bigger fool of himself than the whites.

    Initial enthusiasm always has been a sign of his people. And then, when faced with resistance and difficulty, the giving up and slinking away.

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  244. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anon

    *Get it? “hat trick”. It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have s_____y ratings, double entendre.
     
    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.

    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.

    Truthiness is so full of fail, literally cataloging his fail can take a lifetime. He’s like a Michelangelo painting, but in reverse: the more you look, the more hilariously bad he gets.

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  245. Pericles says:
    @Phil
    "On the other hand, a nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion."

    --------

    Four weeks into the NFL season and four weeks from Election Day, amid an increasingly politicized league confronting on-field protests every Sunday, a straw poll of 43 players by B/R Mag shows:

    • 20 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
    • 2 of 22 black NFL players plan to vote for Donald J. Trump.
    •21 of 21 white NFL players plan to vote for Trump.

    .....

    In a league that is predominantly black, but where anything-goes banter is encouraged and racial lines can be blurred, perhaps the most striking finding in the interviews over the course of the general election is what’s been left unsaid. “Black guys will talk about it to each other,” ESPN analyst and two-time Super Bowl champion Damien Woody said of Trump. “White guys may talk about it to each other. But I think white players will tap around it with black players.

    “The locker room normally isn’t politically correct,” Woody said. “I know from talking to players things are different when it comes to Trump.”

    Woody explained that white players were hesitant to talk about Trump because “a white player may parrot something Trump says, and the black player may think, ‘Oh, that’s how you feel?’ And it could cause problems.”

    Those problems are already unfolding across the NFL. In mid-May, as Trump became the presumptive nominee, two NFC teammates—a right-leaning offensive lineman and a left-leaning linebacker—began to re-examine their friendship because of Trump.

    They had known each other for four years. Their wives talked on occasion. Their kids sometimes played together. They sat next to each other in team meetings and went to dinner several times per month. They often joked that politics were off-limits because of their disparate viewpoints. Then, after their first offseason team workout in May, the lineman revealed he would be voting for Trump—and everything changed.

    The linebacker, a Clinton supporter, began finding excuses for not going to dinner. The families stopped talking. When the lineman confronted his now former friend, he recalls receiving a blunt response: I can’t be friends with anyone who would vote for Donald Trump. I’m sorry.

    http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

    Seems like it’s the blacks doing the tearing, not Trump.

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  246. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Paul Yarbles
    You are on a roll, you glorious anti-white quacker! Here's more support for you...

    http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/burger-king-reveals-the-uncomfortable-truth-about-bullying-in-a-remarkable-in-store-stunt/

    Look at who the bullies are. White punks. And look at who the victims are. Lovable brown kids. And look at the kind adults who try to help. Not a pasty face in sight. Q.E. f**king D.

    The new spot was directed by Smuggler all-star Henry-Alex Rubin

    Yes,

    Every . Single. Time.

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  247. Actually, the NFL is kinda screwed the way I see it.

    If anyone on this blog has any exposure to teenage boys, they know that these guys don’t sit in front of the TV to watch 3 hours of anything. They are on their phones now and then (more on than off) and move around a lot. The NFL isn’t building a future fan base. If the NFL is pizzing off their dads, they will tell their boys to find other things to do.

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  248. Pericles says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    In the past week, one black NFL player has been ejected for shoving a referee, and another shoved a coach on the sidelines. Granted, this isn't as bad as what happened in the NBA last week, where a black player put a white teammate in the hospital with what was presumably a cheap shot.

    I think this hurts interest in the NFL too.

    Steve mentioned in a recent Taki article that one reason football appeals its military aspect:

    American football is beloved by Americans because it is a war game in which teams defend their home turf and methodically invade their opponents’ territory. It makes for an engrossing television spectacle because most people are interested in conquest.
     
    This is true, but we want to see civilized war, not pointless Chicago-style violence.

    https://twitter.com/CoronaLimeDFS/status/920431994412072960

    NBA, lol. It takes me back to New Year’s Day, 2010.

    NBA all-star Gilbert Arenas and his Washing ton Wizards teammate Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other in the team’s locker room during a Christmas Eve dispute over a gambling debt, The Post has learned. …

    “I’m not your punk!” Crittenton shouted at Arenas, according to a league source close to the Wizards.

    http://nypost.com/2010/01/01/wizards-gilbert-arenas-and-javaris-crittenton-pull-pistols-on-each-other/

    Life’s hard in the mean streets of the ghetto league.

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    Yeah I remember that episode. The Wall Street Journal had fun at the time talking about "armed guards".
    , @dr kill
    Another oldie but goody

    http://nypost.com/2015/08/11/jets-qb-geno-smith-breaks-jaw-on-sucker-punch-by-teammate/
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  249. @Charles Pewitt
    Steve Sailer says:

    A nightmare scenario for the NFL is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining team cohesion.

     

    I say:

    A nightmare scenario for Democrat Party strategists is that Black Lives Matter racial discord is undermining any attempts to win back the votes of Whites Without College Degrees.

    Whites Without College Degrees Say We Ain't Voting For These People:

    https://twitter.com/AngloGermanic/status/922220888933548032

    I love this photo. The dems are going to get obliterated in 2018. They may not even be around by 2020.

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    As long as there is a semblance of organization however fuzzy incentivized through the promise of Congressional salaries to position itself as a nexus around which intersectionalist grievances can gather and scream, the Democratic Party will subsist.
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  250. Pericles says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can't be pro-white and pro-Trump. In terms of behavior and morals Trump is our first black President.

    It’s funny you say that because the state apparatus frantically and unceasingly tries to find some dirt on Trump and never does. It has to be galling.

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  251. @whorefinder
    Women who do unfeminine things---like engage in fisticuffs---generally have a lot of baggage that got them to do it. Something as extreme as beating each other up comes from some extremely bad background. Prostitution also doesn't surprise me, though it's probably far from high class escorting and more like drug-addicts needing money for their fix.

    I would love an (honest) study of how many feminist leaders suffer from either severe mental health problems and/or were actually sexually abused as children. Most seem to need lots of therapy and medication just to deal with day-to-day interactions, and this is what causes them to see patriarchial oppression and rape in everything men do.

    I know the woman who wrote the S.C.U.M. manifesto had to be institutionalized for her crazy. And almost every feminist has some kind of breakdown story she tells for sympathy. Betty Friedan was clearly either schizophrenic or else had severe BPD.

    Really, though, if it turns out most have severe mental issues, it would be a lot easier to get women (and men) to stop listening to them. "This woman has schizophrenia and is bipolar, and you think she 's accurately judging how human beings interact and what's wrong with society?"

    Prostitution also doesn’t surprise me

    No, it wouldn’t surprise you, whorefinder.

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    Hey, that's I how I met your mom.
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  252. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @whorefinder
    Women's MMA is a freak side show, like the WNBA.

    Women’s MMA can sell PPV, or at least it could with Rousey. WNBA no one cares about.

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  253. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump was not a billionaire, that is well known. If I have a billion dollars worth of assets but I owe 700 million my net worth is 300 million, not a billion. And no one really knows how deep a debt hole Trump dug himself into. I just remember that since the 1990s the name "Trump" has been a joke in financial circles. The way all Trump's failures and fiascos have just disappeared into the memory hole makes me feel like I am in a Twilight Zone episode.
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  254. Pericles says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    His kids aren’t exactly supported by welfare.

    They haven't done an honest days work in their lives. And government subsidies are the real-estate developer's bread and butter.

    They’ve never worked for an NGO for a day in their lives! They’ve never curated an art exhibition in Chelsea after hours!

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  255. Pericles says:
    @Sane Left Libertarian

    Most NFL owners are billionaire Leftists

     

    What planet do you live on? Does ALL of your information come from O'Reilly?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/25/news/companies/trump-nfl-owners-donations/index.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nfl-owners-rain-cash-on-trump-inaugural

    https://nesn.com/2016/02/nfl-owners-political-donations-largely-republican-robert-kraft-more-democratic/

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.

    I come to unz for right-leaning SANE discussion. Posts like yours test the limits of sanity.

    Just switch to ‘Insane left libertarian’.

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  256. Hibernian says:
    @whorefinder
    Goodell went after Brady hard for Deflategate as a Bonfire of the Vanities-type move to overpunish the great white defendant when the NFL was beset by stories of really bad off-the-field behavior by black players. Goodell thought by going hard after Brady he could short-circuit talk that blacks were being "racistly" overpunished by the league.

    Except many people recognized that Deflategate was a mild football sin at best, and Brady's overpunishment really bothered most---why were wife beaters and murderers and child beaters being punished less or equal to a guy who mildly let air out of footballs---something that, according to all quarterbacks and head coaches asked about, would not have given Brady any significant advantage?

    Goodell dragged the league through federal court to get Brady. He almost got part of the CBA annulled as a result. Total SJW move there. Now he's doubling down on the anti-America, pro-black-crime protests. Ratings are falling, revenue is drying up, and the President himself is criticizing him. But he doubles down, as SJWs always do.

    Gooddell's an SJW and he and his inner circle are a liability to the NFL as no commissioner has been since, perhaps, the pre-merger days when the NFL refused to acknowledge the AFL.

    A group of good owners would have fired Gooddell after the Deflategate white witch hunt. That they didn't showed the owners are weak idiots. Once the NFL showed that Gooddell could let his social justice views rule the league, the anthem protesters were emboldened. Gooddell will never be satisfied, and will work to destroy the league. He is a cancer.

    Air pressure in football is like foreign substances on the ball in baseball. The length of the suspension can be legitimately argued but Brady committed a real offense.

    Sincerely yours,

    A Packer backer

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    Air pressure in football is like foreign substances on the ball in baseball
     
    No, it's even less serious than that.

    but Brady committed a real offense.
     
    Please. They didn't prove squat, and it was a witch hunt. Brady knew it, didn't allow them to go through his phone to dig up more fake dirt on him, and Goodell punished him for daring to realize it was a witch hunt.

    And, of course, there's the problem that every coach and QB interviewed said this was really a very minor thing even if true and not game changing. The ESPN heads might keep repeating it was a "huge scandal" but that's ESPN, they literally don't know anything about sports.

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  257. The Craw says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I read that one of them was angry because the other had spoiled that week's episode of Ballers. Mirotic may have been the instigator of the shoving match, but I highly doubt Mirotic shoved Portis multiple times without Portis shoving back. That sort of restraint after physical contact is just not common in African American culture. What I suspect happened is they shoved each other a couple of times, and then Mirotic turned away to leave, at which point Portis hit him. As I said the type of injuries he sustained are not common when a professional athlete sees a punch coming.

    That the GM called "sucker punch" an unfair characterization doesn't surprise me. Maybe when Mirotic's jaw isn't wired shut he can give his version of the events.

    Mirotic is the highest paid player on the team at $12.5 million/yr.

    Every week that he cannot play costs the Bulls $240,000.

    Bobby Portis makes $1.5 million/yr.

    1) Maybe Portis is a little jealous.
    2) If the situation were reversed, do you doubt for a moment that the Bulls would have Mirotic on the next plane back to the old country?

    NBA : Where the inmates run the asylum

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    So they would have had a guy "on the next plane back to the old country" who has a contract GUARANTEEING him 12 million dollars this year, and paid him that NOT to play because he got into a fight with his teammates.

    My friend, continue to work for others. Do not start a business...
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  258. Pericles says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
     
    Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. /sarc

    The idiotic drama queen ‘protesters’ are helping, not hurting.

    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?

    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?

    Wog supremacy against white supremacy.

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  259. Ed says:
    @The Z Blog
    There are a number of things at play here. All sports are experiencing a decline in attendance. College football is has been feeling it for a while. Basketball at all levels is down. There's also the fact that the NFL product has become boring while it has become over-hyped. At the games the circus atmosphere is overdone. On TV they carry on like it is the rapture.

    The Africanization of football is another factor. The NBA embraced black culture in the 90's and it was a disaster from which they never fully recovered. Whites don't just want to see blacks behaving like whites. They hate seeing blacks acting black. That is a rejection of everything the Cuck-o-sphere has been preaching for decades. Protesting the flag was the worst possible decision.

    There's something else. Cord cutting is now hip and cool. Not watching the NFL is suddenly trendy with dissident whites. I have a number of friends who used to be season ticket holders and now they no longer go to games or follow the NFL. They are not political. They cut the cord and found happiness in dropping out of pop culture.

    The NBA has signed a record TV deal and its popularity is on the upswing. Thanks to a decent smattering of international players it also enjoys international appeal something that has alluded football.

    There are certainly downsides to the NBA’s fan base being nearly half black but it is currently doing well.

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    The NBA doesn't appear to be suffering from a downturn in the quality of play as it did in the late 1990s when free throw percentages dropped. NBA players seem to be quite skilled at present.
    , @The Z Blog
    ESPN bankrupting itself by handing the NBA a billion dollars is not evidence of the NBA's popularity. It is evidence that Progressivism is a religion. That was a foolish deal that was completely unwarranted. Before that deal, several teams were either insolvent or on the verge of insolvency.

    Unless you're black or Jewish, the NBA may as well not exist.
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  260. @englishmike
    Having read most but not quite all of the comments here, I believe that no-one has yet made the following proposal, which I offer in all seriousness.
    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
    No disrespect to patriotic Americans but it's not necessary is it?.

    It’s not only necessary for Yanks, but when somehow they can’t do it the rest of us will step up and get it done. Just ask 20,000 Toronto Maple Leafs fans.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48

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  261. @Ed
    The NBA has signed a record TV deal and its popularity is on the upswing. Thanks to a decent smattering of international players it also enjoys international appeal something that has alluded football.

    There are certainly downsides to the NBA's fan base being nearly half black but it is currently doing well.

    The NBA doesn’t appear to be suffering from a downturn in the quality of play as it did in the late 1990s when free throw percentages dropped. NBA players seem to be quite skilled at present.

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    Have average heights for top scorers declined since then late '90s? Could that have something to do with it?
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  262. Hibernian says:
    @honesthughgrant
    Just cut the cord, and give up on the NFL. You know prior to 1960, most Americans didn't really care about the NFL. That's why Green Bay got a NFL franchise.

    Lets just go back to 1960. NBA? Just a game for mid-western cities like Fort Wayne and Minneapolis and a few people in Boston and NY. The NFL - a game for people who couldn't root for a good college football team.

    Football didn't replace Baseball as "America's Game" until the mid 1960s.

    Green Bay got its franchise in 1921 and played against such metropolitan teams as the Canton Bulldogs and the Rock Island Independents (a stone’s throw across the Mississippi from my home town) in the 1920s. They kept the franchise through the fanaticism of the people of Green Bay, the genius of Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi, and playing some games in Milwaukee from about 1933-1994. (From the early 30s to the mid 50s it was half of home games.) The charter of Green Bay Packers Inc. makes it virtually impossible for outside interests to buy and move the Packers.

    The two-home-games-in-Milwaukee arrangement ended when baseball only Miller Park replaced dual use Milwaukee County Stadium. By that time roads had improved to the point that it’s not such a big chore to get from Milwaukee to Green Bay, about 100 miles.

    The Packers are a state wide Wisconsin team as much as a local team. Maps of team loyalty show that the Packer-Bear divide is right on the Illinois-Wisconsin border. The Packers pick up a few counties in Northeastern Iowa and cede a few counties near the Twin Cities to the Vikings.

    As a side note, at the inception of pro football right after WW1 the Bears were originally the Decatur Staleys for a year or two before they moved to Chicago.

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    NE Iowa these days seems about evenly split between Packers and Bears fans, w the Vikings in 3rd place. If Vikes continue to have a good season and go to the playoffs, they will move up -- their recent star LB Chad Greenway played @ U of Iowa and a lot of loyal Iowans cheered for the Vikes b/c of C.G.
    , @Steve Sailer
    The NFL will never ever again let a team be owned by the community the way Green Bay locals more or less own the Packers.
    , @Hibernian
    I was wrong about the reason for the end of the Milwaukee home game tradition, although the upcoming demise of County Stadium, six years in the future, may have played a part. The Packers were able to get greater gate receipts in Green Bay than Milwaukee.
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  263. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    De-platform the drama-queen protesters by ending the playing of the National Anthem at football matches.
     
    Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. /sarc

    The idiotic drama queen ‘protesters’ are helping, not hurting.

    Would you have Nelson’s Column demolished in the vain hope that, once and for all, drama queens will stop being drama queens?

    I empathise with comment 27 above from black sea:

    There are plenty of other things to do with a Sunday afternoon.
    If football players want to kneel during the anthem, that’s fine with me; I’m not really interested in their political or social ruminations, and playing the national anthem at a sporting event seems pretty hokey anyway.
    On the other hand, if none of them ever played another game again, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

    If that is why “the idiotic drama queen protesters are helping not hurting”, I understand the reason for your /sarc.

    Spurious analogies never make for persuasive argument, so your “brilliant” rhetorical question about Nelson’s column was lost on me. In general, I’m not in favour of destroying historical monuments. Or of banning national anthems.

    Have a nice day.

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  264. @silviosilver
    Why not just record or quasi-legally download games you're interested in? That's what I do. In addition to depriving them of official viewership data, I can also fast-forward over the boring 30 or so seconds after the play is over to the next snap. This cuts down viewing time by more than half and doesn't really detract any enjoyment from the game.

    This whole incident has made me so disgusted by the league that I have reevaluated if I want to spend mental energy worrying about the ups and downs of a bunch of surrogate warriors fighting for my metro area.

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  265. @anon

    *Get it? “hat trick”. It means three goals in a hockey game. I showed you that your three white sports have s_____y ratings, double entendre.
     
    I think I missed this. I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player? Or is it just three goals in a game? So is a 2-1 game a hat trick? Or is it three consecutive goals by a team or player? Anyways, I do know that Canadians just say hockey never ice hockey like people do here. Also I thought a double entendre had to be a sexual play on words or pun. Or is any pun or play on words a double entendre. I’m not much of a wordsmith but it makes you wonder.

    I always thought a hat trick was three goals by one player?

    That is certainly the case in English football.
    FWIW.

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  266. Hibernian says:
    @whorefinder

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure
     
    a $10 billion dollar company, worldwide fame, a hit reality show, a comeback from bankruptcy, best-selling books, and a shocking come from nowhere victory in presidential race?

    Yeah, pure fail on his part. (/sarcasm)

    lol

    He’s had spectacular success and spectacular failures at various points in his career.

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  267. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Actually, I've always thought that it'll be pretty cool to have an iSteve t-shirt. 99.9% wouldn't know what the hell it was about - and wouldn't care. But every once in a while, some guy would see it, do a double-take and then give you the knowing nod.

    It'd be like a secret handshake.

    I vote for a Mugabe Jacket emblazoned with iSteve’s likeness.

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  268. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Ed
    The NBA has signed a record TV deal and its popularity is on the upswing. Thanks to a decent smattering of international players it also enjoys international appeal something that has alluded football.

    There are certainly downsides to the NBA's fan base being nearly half black but it is currently doing well.

    ESPN bankrupting itself by handing the NBA a billion dollars is not evidence of the NBA’s popularity. It is evidence that Progressivism is a religion. That was a foolish deal that was completely unwarranted. Before that deal, several teams were either insolvent or on the verge of insolvency.

    Unless you’re black or Jewish, the NBA may as well not exist.

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    As far as I can tell, the quality of play in the NBA today is higher than it was 15 years ago. The NBA seems to have a pretty good product at present that is quite popular.
    , @Toddy Cat
    The NBA has also insisted, somewhat surprisingly, that its players stand for the Anthem, and has had a very low tolerance for BLM-type protests. While this has probably not brought a significant number of white NBA fans lost in the 1990's back, it has probably prevented them from losing any of their remaining white fans, as well as that minority of Blacks who oppose the anthem protests (mostly older and/or veteran, I'd bet...)
    , @Truth
    The last time an NBA team went insolvent was when?

    Did cars even have fuel injection then?
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  269. jim jones says:
    @whorefinder

    Certainly Trump’s track record of failure
     
    a $10 billion dollar company, worldwide fame, a hit reality show, a comeback from bankruptcy, best-selling books, and a shocking come from nowhere victory in presidential race?

    Yeah, pure fail on his part. (/sarcasm)

    lol

    You forgot to mention Melania, a woman who looks like that can pick any man she wants

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  270. @Hibernian
    Green Bay got its franchise in 1921 and played against such metropolitan teams as the Canton Bulldogs and the Rock Island Independents (a stone's throw across the Mississippi from my home town) in the 1920s. They kept the franchise through the fanaticism of the people of Green Bay, the genius of Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi, and playing some games in Milwaukee from about 1933-1994. (From the early 30s to the mid 50s it was half of home games.) The charter of Green Bay Packers Inc. makes it virtually impossible for outside interests to buy and move the Packers.

    The two-home-games-in-Milwaukee arrangement ended when baseball only Miller Park replaced dual use Milwaukee County Stadium. By that time roads had improved to the point that it's not such a big chore to get from Milwaukee to Green Bay, about 100 miles.

    The Packers are a state wide Wisconsin team as much as a local team. Maps of team loyalty show that the Packer-Bear divide is right on the Illinois-Wisconsin border. The Packers pick up a few counties in Northeastern Iowa and cede a few counties near the Twin Cities to the Vikings.

    As a side note, at the inception of pro football right after WW1 the Bears were originally the Decatur Staleys for a year or two before they moved to Chicago.

    NE Iowa these days seems about evenly split between Packers and Bears fans, w the Vikings in 3rd place. If Vikes continue to have a good season and go to the playoffs, they will move up — their recent star LB Chad Greenway played @ U of Iowa and a lot of loyal Iowans cheered for the Vikes b/c of C.G.

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  271. @Truth

    I think he’s trying to claim that black dominated sports get higher ratings than white dominated sports now, and therefore that rule will be eternal,
     
    Well, no, Christopher Langham; I'm arguing that ALL sports, including even the lilly-whitest are declining in viewership, which a man of your obvious and towering intellect would take as a large neon sign, to drop this imbecilic "fans are not watching because they KNEEL AT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM" silliness, that one of your talmudic buddies has just told you to think anyway.

    As far as debating you, that, Sport, I can not do. I think John-Herik Clarke said it best...

    http://www.alexdapiata.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/dr-john-henrik-clarke-quotes-4617521-quote-addicts-john-henrik-clarke-quotes.jpg

    So get your notebook and a #2 pencil out; you might learn something.

    Truth says, “I only debate with my equals, all others I teach.”

    You lump your superiors in with your inferiors? Hmmm, interesting….

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  272. @The Z Blog
    ESPN bankrupting itself by handing the NBA a billion dollars is not evidence of the NBA's popularity. It is evidence that Progressivism is a religion. That was a foolish deal that was completely unwarranted. Before that deal, several teams were either insolvent or on the verge of insolvency.

    Unless you're black or Jewish, the NBA may as well not exist.

    As far as I can tell, the quality of play in the NBA today is higher than it was 15 years ago. The NBA seems to have a pretty good product at present that is quite popular.

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    The average team last year made about twice as many 3-point attempts as fifteen years ago, while hitting on a slightly higher percentage of them. 2-point FG shooting% was up to .503 from the .460s. So that all probably makes for a more entertaining game.
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  273. @Steve Sailer
    When I researched women's boxing to review Clint Eastwood's Oscar-winning lady boxer movie, I found that a very large fraction of female boxers were prostitutes.

    Aside. When she was in high school Hillary Swank used to hang out at the locally famous coffee shop (Tony’s in Fairhaven, WA) with her pretty girl friends. Even then she had a distinctive face that you couldn’t help but notice. But who knew….?

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