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I pointed out last week in Taki’s Magazine that the MSM is slowly, ever so slowly starting to notice what a comic fiasco the Southern Poverty Law Center is.

This week isn’t going so well for the SPLC either. From the NYT:

Understanding the Angry Mob at Middlebury That Gave Me a Concussion

Allison Stanger
ON CAMPUS MARCH 13, 2017

MIDDLEBURY, Vt. — There’s nothing like a little violence to focus the mind. I am the Middlebury College professor who ended up with whiplash and a concussion for having the audacity to engage with the ideas of Charles Murray, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

Though he is someone with whom I disagree, I welcomed the opportunity to moderate a talk with him on campus on March 2 because several of my students asked me to do so. They know I am a Democrat, but the college courses I teach are nonpartisan. …

The protesters succeeded in shutting down the lecture. We were forced to move to another site and broadcast our discussion via live stream, while activists who had figured out where we were banged on the windows and set off fire alarms. Afterward, as Dr. Murray and I left the building with Bill Burger, Middlebury’s vice president for communications, a mob charged us.

Most of the hatred was focused on Dr. Murray, but when I took his right arm to shield him and to make sure we stayed together, the crowd turned on me. Someone pulled my hair, while others were shoving me. I feared for my life. Once we got into the car, protesters climbed on it, hitting the windows and rocking the vehicle whenever we stopped to avoid harming them. I am still wearing a neck brace, and spent a week in a dark room to recover from a concussion caused by the whiplash. …

Intelligent members of the Middlebury community — including some of my own students and advisees — concluded that Charles Murray was an anti-gay white nationalist from what they were hearing from one another, and what they read on the Southern Poverty Law Center website. Never mind that Dr. Murray supports same-sex marriage and is a member of the courageous “never Trump” wing of the Republican Party.

Students are in college in part to learn how to evaluate sources and follow up on ideas with their own research. The Southern Poverty Law Center incorrectly labels Dr. Murray a “white nationalist,” but if we have learned nothing in this election, it is that such claims must be fact-checked, analyzed and assessed. Faulty information became the catalyst for shutting off the free exchange of ideas at Middlebury. We must all be more rigorous in evaluating and investigating anger, or this pattern of miscommunication will continue on other college campuses.

 
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  1. MBlanc46 says:

    The Neo-Stalinists don’t need faulty information to attack someone such as Charles Murray. He dissents from their dogma. That’s enough for them.

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  2. Until someone gets killed by the SJWs, no one is going to take them seriously as the thugs they are

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    That leaves a lot more room for their indiscriminate trashing of reputations, careers and such.
    , @Anonym
    What do you think happened at Dallas?
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  3. > the courageous “never Trump” wing of the Republican Party.

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  4. Ivy says:
    @William Zane
    Until someone gets killed by the SJWs, no one is going to take them seriously as the thugs they are

    That leaves a lot more room for their indiscriminate trashing of reputations, careers and such.

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  5. Bill P says:

    The SPLC will die with Morris Dees, by design. It was all about him from the beginning, and he’s looking pretty shopworn these days. When he takes the ride down to his final destination his acolytes/flunkies will find jobs elsewhere and continue to be a thorn in somebody’s side, but the organization will fade away. It’s pretty much Dees’ slush fund at this point. Since it’s always been about raising money, he’ll keep on them to use whatever tactics they can even if they totally discredit the organization in the long run. What does Dees care? He won’t be around all that much longer anyway, and another decade or so of pleasure is his only consolation considering what eternity likely has to offer him.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Don't the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?
    , @Almost Missouri
    Don't forget the $300 million endowment. Even Morris can't spend it that fast. Someone is going to inherit the right to use that thing. Probably someone who is already on staff.
    , @Anonymous
    Every time I read "Morris Dees", l always see an image of Morris Day and hear the song "Jungle Love" in my head.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N2FPQvwhSDY (Mortis Day and The Time, "Jungle Love")
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  6. Do you think Murray learned a lesson here? I fear he didn’t.

    There is no negotiation with these people.

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  7. Academe really does not get the reason for the cushy ride. When they jettisoned the pursuit of truth in favor of Leftist advocacy they lost their raison d’etre. The snowflakes melt in the face of contradiction – and are so angry that they resort to violence.

    When nothing but the echo chamber remains, the public support for the misallocation of resources will disappear. And the loons will have to find some honest work. And it couldn’t happen to nicer bunch of the enemies of humanity.

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    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there's no reason for the tenure system.

    I suspect that eventually colleges and unis will split into two entitites; a research arm that brings in grant money, and which trains apprentices in the STEM fields, and then a liberal arts creative critical thinking arm where students practice creative writing that supports their innate prejudices and helps them adopt poses of social outrage. A small coterie of famous faculty will deliver encouragement via live feed once a week on the telescreen, all of the rest of the teaching will be passed down to hungry graduate students.

    In other words, pretty much what we have now.

    And it sure ain't worth a quarter of a million.
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  8. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    So, Murray cucked out on homos and joined Nevertrump but still got this treatment.

    I hope he learned his lesson.

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  9. SPMoore8 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Academe really does not get the reason for the cushy ride. When they jettisoned the pursuit of truth in favor of Leftist advocacy they lost their raison d'etre. The snowflakes melt in the face of contradiction - and are so angry that they resort to violence.

    When nothing but the echo chamber remains, the public support for the misallocation of resources will disappear. And the loons will have to find some honest work. And it couldn't happen to nicer bunch of the enemies of humanity.

    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there’s no reason for the tenure system.

    I suspect that eventually colleges and unis will split into two entitites; a research arm that brings in grant money, and which trains apprentices in the STEM fields, and then a liberal arts creative critical thinking arm where students practice creative writing that supports their innate prejudices and helps them adopt poses of social outrage. A small coterie of famous faculty will deliver encouragement via live feed once a week on the telescreen, all of the rest of the teaching will be passed down to hungry graduate students.

    In other words, pretty much what we have now.

    And it sure ain’t worth a quarter of a million.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there’s no reason for the tenure system.
     
    Last week, Tucker Carlson interviewed a (tenured) English professor who is (or was) president of some kind of University Professor's association, about the issue of tenure. Actually the guy seemed like an old hippy professor, perhaps ernestly liberal, and not one of the new crop of commisars who staff academia; he might not be that bad himself. However, Carlson made exactly the point you made above. He also pointed out the rather interesting fact that now only about 25% of university faculty are tenured. They rely to a much greater degree than before on adjuncts, part-timers, grad-students, etc.

    I am not interested in defending the institution of tenure. Rather I would like to see it attacked and abolished. Academia is a citadel of the enemy, and it needs to be undermined. It seems like this fact itself might be used to attack it, as a matter of equity. Why should the 25% who have tenure be favored at the expense of the 75% who don't. For that matter, there is probably a much smaller group of full professors and administrators - let's call them "the 1%" - who have a really sweet deal. Students should be outraged at this privilege. Occupy the Quad!
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  10. Anonym says:

    If you manage to shut down the SPLC, I suggest you have a panhandling drive immediately after.

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  11. Anonym says:
    @William Zane
    Until someone gets killed by the SJWs, no one is going to take them seriously as the thugs they are

    What do you think happened at Dallas?

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  12. Escher says:

    Ms.Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words. Not like she has a choice though. SJW students are the only ones with freedom of speech and licenses to burn/break/trash publish and private property.

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    If you don't like what your precious SJW students are doing, they will give you negative course evaluations and then you will be assigned to the LGBT Traffic Safety Committee that meets three times a week.
    , @Desiderius
    She's on video chanting and cheering along with them. The first three paragraphs of her Times piece are full of all the usual mendacity.

    Murray's desperately trying to win her over by calling her his hero.
    , @International Jew

    Ms. Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words.
     
    Yep. And it sounds like her objection wasn't to thuggish speech suppression as such. Her objection was merely that the thugs had misclassified Charles Murray.
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  13. @Bill P
    The SPLC will die with Morris Dees, by design. It was all about him from the beginning, and he's looking pretty shopworn these days. When he takes the ride down to his final destination his acolytes/flunkies will find jobs elsewhere and continue to be a thorn in somebody's side, but the organization will fade away. It's pretty much Dees' slush fund at this point. Since it's always been about raising money, he'll keep on them to use whatever tactics they can even if they totally discredit the organization in the long run. What does Dees care? He won't be around all that much longer anyway, and another decade or so of pleasure is his only consolation considering what eternity likely has to offer him.

    Don’t the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?

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    "Don’t the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?"
    Hopefully one's a Madoff who 'invests' the 300 million shekels.
    , @Bill P
    You've read the declarations in the Dees divorce case from back in the 70s. There isn't going to be a "peaceful transition" when he kicks the bucket if that's any indication.

    In any event, Levin's the only founder beside Dees, and I don't even know whether he has kids, but if he does they certainly don't need the SPLC. As for the others, just look at them: Richard Cohen and Mark Potok have all the charisma of gefilte fish. Can you imagine Dees tolerating a competitor in his organization?

    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn't.
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  14. SPMoore8 says:
    @Escher
    Ms.Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words. Not like she has a choice though. SJW students are the only ones with freedom of speech and licenses to burn/break/trash publish and private property.

    If you don’t like what your precious SJW students are doing, they will give you negative course evaluations and then you will be assigned to the LGBT Traffic Safety Committee that meets three times a week.

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  15. eah says:

    Though he is someone with whom I disagree…

    Naturally — which makes your defense of his right to speak all the more noble, even heroic.

    “LOL”

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  16. L Woods says:

    Of course, DoD has been giving briefs on “hate groups” citing the SPLC as some kind of legitimate authority for years. Of all the things that asinine parasitic institution is guilty of, this may in some ways be the most unforgivably egregious. At least next to the incessant and offensively inane SARC/SAPR/SHARP/Green Dot (WTF) “training.”

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  17. @Escher
    Ms.Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words. Not like she has a choice though. SJW students are the only ones with freedom of speech and licenses to burn/break/trash publish and private property.

    She’s on video chanting and cheering along with them. The first three paragraphs of her Times piece are full of all the usual mendacity.

    Murray’s desperately trying to win her over by calling her his hero.

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  18. @Escher
    Ms.Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words. Not like she has a choice though. SJW students are the only ones with freedom of speech and licenses to burn/break/trash publish and private property.

    Ms. Stanger is mighty restrained in her choice of words.

    Yep. And it sounds like her objection wasn’t to thuggish speech suppression as such. Her objection was merely that the thugs had misclassified Charles Murray.

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  19. Me says:

    She’s still stupid.

    Never trump, fact checkers, I was just doing my job!

    Ms. Stanger…Wake The F Up!

    She is saying that if He Had Been a White Nationalist than it would have been ok.

    Charles Murray is a White Nationalist and so is every single person here.

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    Ms. Stanger…Wake The F Up!
     
    She's plenty woke already.

    If only the Tsar knew!
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  20. @Steve Sailer
    Don't the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?

    “Don’t the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?”
    Hopefully one’s a Madoff who ‘invests’ the 300 million shekels.

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  21. @Bill P
    The SPLC will die with Morris Dees, by design. It was all about him from the beginning, and he's looking pretty shopworn these days. When he takes the ride down to his final destination his acolytes/flunkies will find jobs elsewhere and continue to be a thorn in somebody's side, but the organization will fade away. It's pretty much Dees' slush fund at this point. Since it's always been about raising money, he'll keep on them to use whatever tactics they can even if they totally discredit the organization in the long run. What does Dees care? He won't be around all that much longer anyway, and another decade or so of pleasure is his only consolation considering what eternity likely has to offer him.

    Don’t forget the $300 million endowment. Even Morris can’t spend it that fast. Someone is going to inherit the right to use that thing. Probably someone who is already on staff.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Right. Plus they are still getting contributions, they had almost $45 million in 2015. Are people arguing that these dyed in the wool leftists are going to quit donating because of a small amount of media skepticism? The SPLC will keep going for a long time unless the burn rate goes up substantially.

    https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4482
    , @Desiderius
    Unless those deep pockets get themselves Gawwkered.
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  22. Last week in hate crimes (hoaxes?):

    Not sure if this made the national news, but on March 3rd a Sikh man in Kent, WA, about 20 miles south of Seattle, claimed a masked white man approached him in his driveway, told him to “go back to his country,” and shot him in the arm.

    This story didn’t seem quite right from the beginning, The victim was at his residence and didn’t know the shooter, but they got in an argument that escalated into gunfire? The victim gave vague descriptions of a “6 foot stocky white man wearing a mask”. The victim was in and out of the hospital within the first day. No photos of the wound have been published. It’s been a week now, and police haven’t found the culprit. Usually they find crazy idiots with guns pretty quickly.

    Worth following and seeing if this makes the hate hoax hall of shame:

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/lack-of-witnesses-in-sikh-shooting-case-challenges-police/421192592

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    I liked the police artists sketch of a man in a black mask and hood. That certainly seems like iron clad evidence.

    "This story didn’t seem quite right from the beginning, The victim was at his residence and didn’t know the shooter, but they got in an argument that escalated into gunfire? The victim gave vague descriptions of a “6 foot stocky white man wearing a mask”."

    Yeah, if somebody in a mask and a hoodie approaches you in your driveway, do you hang around to engage him in discussion? Or do you inside and call the police?

    As you say, this is probably bogus.
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  23. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    What if he were a white nationalist? Would giving a professor whiplash and a concussion then have been warranted?

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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill P
    The SPLC will die with Morris Dees, by design. It was all about him from the beginning, and he's looking pretty shopworn these days. When he takes the ride down to his final destination his acolytes/flunkies will find jobs elsewhere and continue to be a thorn in somebody's side, but the organization will fade away. It's pretty much Dees' slush fund at this point. Since it's always been about raising money, he'll keep on them to use whatever tactics they can even if they totally discredit the organization in the long run. What does Dees care? He won't be around all that much longer anyway, and another decade or so of pleasure is his only consolation considering what eternity likely has to offer him.

    Every time I read “Morris Dees”, l always see an image of Morris Day and hear the song “Jungle Love” in my head.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N2FPQvwhSDY (Mortis Day and The Time, “Jungle Love”)

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  25. Bill P says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Don't the founders have grandchildren who will need nice jobs?

    You’ve read the declarations in the Dees divorce case from back in the 70s. There isn’t going to be a “peaceful transition” when he kicks the bucket if that’s any indication.

    In any event, Levin’s the only founder beside Dees, and I don’t even know whether he has kids, but if he does they certainly don’t need the SPLC. As for the others, just look at them: Richard Cohen and Mark Potok have all the charisma of gefilte fish. Can you imagine Dees tolerating a competitor in his organization?

    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn’t.

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    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn’t.
     
    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.
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  26. Parsifal says:

    To all those that hope that Charles Murray has learned something from this: I have bad news for you, he didn’t and won’t. That’s just the nature of tenured academics, especially in social sciences.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    It says that Bennett is located in Hanoi, Vietnam.

    If so, how about he stays there. It is officially governed by Marxists, which should suit his religious views quite well.
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  28. unit472 says:

    Scary that a man of Murray’s distinguished background can be ‘defined’ for students at a decent college by the fax machine of a hard left outfit like the SPLC. No one on the right would pay attention to a David Duke press release on the merits of any speaker as he has been politically neutered yet the SPLC and its weird Klan fixated world is still taken seriously.

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  29. NickG says:

    Even if Charles Murray were a white nationalist, that would not be a reasonable reason to stifle him speaking the free exchange of ideas.

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    For these kids, it's always the same question: If you were alive in the early 1930s and knew what would happen in the future, would you kill Hitler?

    That's what going through their brains every time that they riot or attack someone. They are on the side of angels trying to stop the next Holocaust.

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  30. but the college courses I teach are nonpartisan

    Such a thing exists today?

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  31. Maj. Kong says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/BDMurray/status/839952519803494400

    It says that Bennett is located in Hanoi, Vietnam.

    If so, how about he stays there. It is officially governed by Marxists, which should suit his religious views quite well.

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    • Replies: @DerSohndesAllvaters
    It appears he is also a journalist... explains a lot.
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  32. Barnard says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Don't forget the $300 million endowment. Even Morris can't spend it that fast. Someone is going to inherit the right to use that thing. Probably someone who is already on staff.

    Right. Plus they are still getting contributions, they had almost $45 million in 2015. Are people arguing that these dyed in the wool leftists are going to quit donating because of a small amount of media skepticism? The SPLC will keep going for a long time unless the burn rate goes up substantially.

    https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4482

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  33. @Maj. Kong
    It says that Bennett is located in Hanoi, Vietnam.

    If so, how about he stays there. It is officially governed by Marxists, which should suit his religious views quite well.

    It appears he is also a journalist… explains a lot.

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  34. Intelligent members of the Middlebury community — including some of my own students and advisees — concluded that Charles Murray was an anti-gay white nationalist

    That statement shows that Ms. Stanger is either an idiot or a liar. There is no other conclusion. I would suspect that the latter.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Liars can be idiots too...
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  35. @NickG
    Even if Charles Murray were a white nationalist, that would not be a reasonable reason to stifle him speaking the free exchange of ideas.

    For these kids, it’s always the same question: If you were alive in the early 1930s and knew what would happen in the future, would you kill Hitler?

    That’s what going through their brains every time that they riot or attack someone. They are on the side of angels trying to stop the next Holocaust.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, if it were the 1930s these students would kill Hitler. But only if they were in a large mob and Hitler was elderly, unarmed, and protected only by a middle-aged woman. Oh, and if they could be assured there would be no repercussions from the authorities.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Looking out for Literally Hitler? They're looking in the wrong places. They should be looking much, much closer to home.
    Failed, embittered "artists" and perpetual "students", wild-eyed malcontents with dodgy haircuts haunting cafes and pubs, jobless losers in flophouses, shouty brain-damaged veterans on the street, that's the "Hitler" profile.
    Not meek, highly educated and widely published, yet vaguely confused old buffers with nice suburban homes and families, pottering around universities and libraries. Terrorizing the lieges with their olde worlde manners and civility.
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  36. Erik L says:

    This incident sounds like the early days of the cultural revolution

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, they need something to do instead of "LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS", since we only have 26 letters here.

    I got it! :

    A) Tweets are the new LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS.
    B) NYT Editorial page is the new little red book.
    C) Diversity Seminars is the new forcing your parents up on stage and throwing pig shit at em.
    D) Denial of tenure to conservatives is the new sending the university students up to Harbin in Manchuria to pick cabbage and live in a hut in subzero weather.
    E) Beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Soros is the new beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Mao.

    History doesn't repeat itself, but idiots persist down through the ages.
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  37. “. . . activists who had figured out where we were banged on the windows and set off fire alarms.”

    Well, that’s active.

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  38. @Me
    She's still stupid.

    Never trump, fact checkers, I was just doing my job!

    Ms. Stanger...Wake The F Up!

    She is saying that if He Had Been a White Nationalist than it would have been ok.

    Charles Murray is a White Nationalist and so is every single person here.

    Ms. Stanger…Wake The F Up!

    She’s plenty woke already.

    If only the Tsar knew!

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  39. @Bill P
    You've read the declarations in the Dees divorce case from back in the 70s. There isn't going to be a "peaceful transition" when he kicks the bucket if that's any indication.

    In any event, Levin's the only founder beside Dees, and I don't even know whether he has kids, but if he does they certainly don't need the SPLC. As for the others, just look at them: Richard Cohen and Mark Potok have all the charisma of gefilte fish. Can you imagine Dees tolerating a competitor in his organization?

    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn't.

    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn’t.

    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.

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    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.
     
    A full second on Wikipedia tells us "Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936)." You're off by nine years, two weeks and a day.

    If the so-called "boomers" ruined anything, it's education, because it's clear that nobody born after 1964 knows a goddam thing about anything. Or to find it out. Or even able to count!

    But then, their teachers were taught the New Math. And who came up with that?
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  40. @Almost Missouri
    Don't forget the $300 million endowment. Even Morris can't spend it that fast. Someone is going to inherit the right to use that thing. Probably someone who is already on staff.

    Unless those deep pockets get themselves Gawwkered.

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  41. Ms. Stanger’s essay is corrupt and inconsistent.

    Middlebury students could have learned from identifying flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings in Dr. Murray’s arguments. They could have challenged him in the Q. and A.

    I’d suspect that Ms. Stanger knows deep down which side has the evidence; therefore, her implication that rational discussion would prove how very, very wrong Murray’s idea are is disingenious at best.

    I am not saying that students shouldn’t protest white nationalism. That it is immoral is not at issue.

    Wait, I thought that the whole point of this essay was for people to keep an open mind. Just why is white nationalism immoral? Interesting that she didn’t say “white nationalism – like at ethnic nationalism – is immoral.”

    People like Ms. Stanger thought that they could have their cake and eat it too. Hate whitey lite. But the kids believed the rhetoric and now are demanding that steps be taken to demolish this terrible system and remove those hateful whites who control it.

    From their point of view and what they’ve taught, the kids have a point. If whites – especially white men – really are evil racists who purposely hold down and demean other races, they should be taken out. And if words don’t accomplish that task, action must be taken.

    You reap what you sow, Ms. Stanger.

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    "Middlebury students could have learned from identifying flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings in Dr. Murray’s arguments. They could have challenged him in the Q. and A."

    I’d suspect that Ms. Stanger knows deep down which side has the evidence; therefore, her implication that rational discussion would prove how very, very wrong Murray’s idea are is disingenious at best.
     

    Indeed. Can she point to any "flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings" in any of Murray's writings? Then why doesn't she?

    "I am not saying that students shouldn’t protest white nationalism. That it is immoral is not at issue."

    Wait, I thought that the whole point of this essay was for people to keep an open mind. Just why is white nationalism immoral? Interesting that she didn’t say “white nationalism – like at ethnic nationalism – is immoral.”
     

    Yes, if white nationalism is "inherently immoral", then the argument has already been decided, hasn't it? Why keep an open mind at all? Why not just...............assault the speaker, as they did.
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  42. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    For these kids, it's always the same question: If you were alive in the early 1930s and knew what would happen in the future, would you kill Hitler?

    That's what going through their brains every time that they riot or attack someone. They are on the side of angels trying to stop the next Holocaust.

    Yes, if it were the 1930s these students would kill Hitler. But only if they were in a large mob and Hitler was elderly, unarmed, and protected only by a middle-aged woman. Oh, and if they could be assured there would be no repercussions from the authorities.

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    Excellent comment, Harry (I can't do "AGREE")! Yeah, they don't realize that they are just the type that would have been Hitler fans or, more likely, Commies back then - not the type to just leave people be. They just don't do thinking very well, these people.
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  43. Mr. Anon says:

    I am the Middlebury College professor who ended up with whiplash and a concussion for having the audacity to engage with the ideas of Charles Murray, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

    Though he is someone with whom I disagree, …….

    Perhaps the event should give her some reason to contemplate whether Murray might be correct.

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    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.
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  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Ms. Stanger's essay is corrupt and inconsistent.

    Middlebury students could have learned from identifying flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings in Dr. Murray’s arguments. They could have challenged him in the Q. and A.



    I'd suspect that Ms. Stanger knows deep down which side has the evidence; therefore, her implication that rational discussion would prove how very, very wrong Murray's idea are is disingenious at best.


    I am not saying that students shouldn’t protest white nationalism. That it is immoral is not at issue.

    Wait, I thought that the whole point of this essay was for people to keep an open mind. Just why is white nationalism immoral? Interesting that she didn't say "white nationalism - like at ethnic nationalism - is immoral."

    People like Ms. Stanger thought that they could have their cake and eat it too. Hate whitey lite. But the kids believed the rhetoric and now are demanding that steps be taken to demolish this terrible system and remove those hateful whites who control it.

    From their point of view and what they've taught, the kids have a point. If whites - especially white men - really are evil racists who purposely hold down and demean other races, they should be taken out. And if words don't accomplish that task, action must be taken.

    You reap what you sow, Ms. Stanger.

    “Middlebury students could have learned from identifying flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings in Dr. Murray’s arguments. They could have challenged him in the Q. and A.”

    I’d suspect that Ms. Stanger knows deep down which side has the evidence; therefore, her implication that rational discussion would prove how very, very wrong Murray’s idea are is disingenious at best.

    Indeed. Can she point to any “flawed assumptions or logical shortcomings” in any of Murray’s writings? Then why doesn’t she?

    “I am not saying that students shouldn’t protest white nationalism. That it is immoral is not at issue.”

    Wait, I thought that the whole point of this essay was for people to keep an open mind. Just why is white nationalism immoral? Interesting that she didn’t say “white nationalism – like at ethnic nationalism – is immoral.”

    Yes, if white nationalism is “inherently immoral”, then the argument has already been decided, hasn’t it? Why keep an open mind at all? Why not just……………assault the speaker, as they did.

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  45. There have to be “irregularities ” in the SPLC’s budgeting. A decent DOJ should be able to destroy them.

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  46. Mr. Anon says:
    @Chief Seattle
    Last week in hate crimes (hoaxes?):

    Not sure if this made the national news, but on March 3rd a Sikh man in Kent, WA, about 20 miles south of Seattle, claimed a masked white man approached him in his driveway, told him to "go back to his country," and shot him in the arm.

    This story didn't seem quite right from the beginning, The victim was at his residence and didn't know the shooter, but they got in an argument that escalated into gunfire? The victim gave vague descriptions of a "6 foot stocky white man wearing a mask". The victim was in and out of the hospital within the first day. No photos of the wound have been published. It's been a week now, and police haven't found the culprit. Usually they find crazy idiots with guns pretty quickly.

    Worth following and seeing if this makes the hate hoax hall of shame:
    http://www.king5.com/news/local/lack-of-witnesses-in-sikh-shooting-case-challenges-police/421192592

    I liked the police artists sketch of a man in a black mask and hood. That certainly seems like iron clad evidence.

    “This story didn’t seem quite right from the beginning, The victim was at his residence and didn’t know the shooter, but they got in an argument that escalated into gunfire? The victim gave vague descriptions of a “6 foot stocky white man wearing a mask”.”

    Yeah, if somebody in a mask and a hoodie approaches you in your driveway, do you hang around to engage him in discussion? Or do you inside and call the police?

    As you say, this is probably bogus.

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  47. Bleach says:

    Is it just me or if there an implication by this woman that it would have been okay to shut down Murray’s speech (and maybe rough some people up too) if he was in fact what the SPLC claimed he was?

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    This is what struck me as well.
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  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @SPMoore8
    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there's no reason for the tenure system.

    I suspect that eventually colleges and unis will split into two entitites; a research arm that brings in grant money, and which trains apprentices in the STEM fields, and then a liberal arts creative critical thinking arm where students practice creative writing that supports their innate prejudices and helps them adopt poses of social outrage. A small coterie of famous faculty will deliver encouragement via live feed once a week on the telescreen, all of the rest of the teaching will be passed down to hungry graduate students.

    In other words, pretty much what we have now.

    And it sure ain't worth a quarter of a million.

    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there’s no reason for the tenure system.

    Last week, Tucker Carlson interviewed a (tenured) English professor who is (or was) president of some kind of University Professor’s association, about the issue of tenure. Actually the guy seemed like an old hippy professor, perhaps ernestly liberal, and not one of the new crop of commisars who staff academia; he might not be that bad himself. However, Carlson made exactly the point you made above. He also pointed out the rather interesting fact that now only about 25% of university faculty are tenured. They rely to a much greater degree than before on adjuncts, part-timers, grad-students, etc.

    I am not interested in defending the institution of tenure. Rather I would like to see it attacked and abolished. Academia is a citadel of the enemy, and it needs to be undermined. It seems like this fact itself might be used to attack it, as a matter of equity. Why should the 25% who have tenure be favored at the expense of the 75% who don’t. For that matter, there is probably a much smaller group of full professors and administrators – let’s call them “the 1%” – who have a really sweet deal. Students should be outraged at this privilege. Occupy the Quad!

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    These statistics about X percent of professors or faculty are Y are extremely misleading though, because the term 'professor' has come to denote several different career paths that could not be more dissimilar. The guy who teaches 5 classes per day of remedial high school English to functional illiterates at Kingsboro Community College has a job called "Professor." The guy who manages multiple million dollar NSF grants with an army of postdocs, grad students, and technicians at a major research university and is on a steering committee of the National Academies and maybe teaches one class per two years also has a job called "Professor." But these careers are completely different and it makes perfect sense that the latter person has a different contract than the former.
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  49. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    For these kids, it's always the same question: If you were alive in the early 1930s and knew what would happen in the future, would you kill Hitler?

    That's what going through their brains every time that they riot or attack someone. They are on the side of angels trying to stop the next Holocaust.

    Looking out for Literally Hitler? They’re looking in the wrong places. They should be looking much, much closer to home.
    Failed, embittered “artists” and perpetual “students”, wild-eyed malcontents with dodgy haircuts haunting cafes and pubs, jobless losers in flophouses, shouty brain-damaged veterans on the street, that’s the “Hitler” profile.
    Not meek, highly educated and widely published, yet vaguely confused old buffers with nice suburban homes and families, pottering around universities and libraries. Terrorizing the lieges with their olde worlde manners and civility.

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  50. The Left has sown the wind. They will reap the whirlwind, whining and blaming others the whole time.

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  51. “Though he is someone with whom I disagree, I welcomed…”

    I don’t understand what this means. What is it with which she disagrees? It’s like disagreeing that 2+2 = 4.

    I suppose this is like when people refer to the “controversial” Bell Curve having been “discredited”.

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  52. AndrewR says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Intelligent members of the Middlebury community — including some of my own students and advisees — concluded that Charles Murray was an anti-gay white nationalist

    That statement shows that Ms. Stanger is either an idiot or a liar. There is no other conclusion. I would suspect that the latter.

    Liars can be idiots too…

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  53. Gilgongo says:

    It appears Ms Stanger would have been undersanding of the students violent protest if Mr. Murry was against gay marriage and pro Trump.

    I appreciate her attempt to promote students to check sources however find it hollow coming from her.

    She claims her classes are non partisan. I challenge that claim.

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  54. Never mind that Dr. Murray supports same-sex marriage and is a member of the courageous “never Trump” wing of the Republican Party…. Faulty information became the catalyst for shutting off the free exchange of ideas at Middlebury. We must all be more rigorous in evaluating and investigating anger, or this pattern of miscommunication will continue on other college campuses.

    So it was wrong to assault Stanger and Murray because Murray is not, in fact, opposed to gay marriage and a Trump supporter. If the SPLC’s description of Murray had been accurate, this would have been justified as far as the learned professor is concerned.

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  55. Moshe says:

    Those who can entertain no possible explanation for Murray’s anti-Trumpism other than he “cucked-out” are not the best that our tent has to offer.

    I am not myself arguing against viting for Trump. I’m taking very serious issue with the sort of people who say that Steve did not support Trump quite vehemently enough or wbo know with certainty that Murray’s Never Trump approach was based on nothing but cowardice.

    I am sure that they are comfortable on the other boards that I am sure they are a part of and I am honored that they are less comfortable here.

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    No, he cucked hard in favor of Big Grandma. I see, you favor the Talmudic tradition of trying to argue black into white.

    Steve probably would have been NeverTrump if it wasn't for the fact his tin cup would be NeverFull if he did such a thing.
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  56. biz says:
    @Mr. Anon

    This is true. If colleges and universities do not stand for freedom of speech, and an open-ended tolerance of dissent and deviation, then there’s no reason for the tenure system.
     
    Last week, Tucker Carlson interviewed a (tenured) English professor who is (or was) president of some kind of University Professor's association, about the issue of tenure. Actually the guy seemed like an old hippy professor, perhaps ernestly liberal, and not one of the new crop of commisars who staff academia; he might not be that bad himself. However, Carlson made exactly the point you made above. He also pointed out the rather interesting fact that now only about 25% of university faculty are tenured. They rely to a much greater degree than before on adjuncts, part-timers, grad-students, etc.

    I am not interested in defending the institution of tenure. Rather I would like to see it attacked and abolished. Academia is a citadel of the enemy, and it needs to be undermined. It seems like this fact itself might be used to attack it, as a matter of equity. Why should the 25% who have tenure be favored at the expense of the 75% who don't. For that matter, there is probably a much smaller group of full professors and administrators - let's call them "the 1%" - who have a really sweet deal. Students should be outraged at this privilege. Occupy the Quad!

    These statistics about X percent of professors or faculty are Y are extremely misleading though, because the term ‘professor’ has come to denote several different career paths that could not be more dissimilar. The guy who teaches 5 classes per day of remedial high school English to functional illiterates at Kingsboro Community College has a job called “Professor.” The guy who manages multiple million dollar NSF grants with an army of postdocs, grad students, and technicians at a major research university and is on a steering committee of the National Academies and maybe teaches one class per two years also has a job called “Professor.” But these careers are completely different and it makes perfect sense that the latter person has a different contract than the former.

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  57. @Desiderius

    The man has no concept of the world without himself at the center of it. Due to lack of imagination and motivation, it would be impossible for him to prepare for any alternative, so he hasn’t.
     
    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.

    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.

    A full second on Wikipedia tells us “Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936).” You’re off by nine years, two weeks and a day.

    If the so-called “boomers” ruined anything, it’s education, because it’s clear that nobody born after 1964 knows a goddam thing about anything. Or to find it out. Or even able to count!

    But then, their teachers were taught the New Math. And who came up with that?

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    https://youtu.be/BbU4Cb4A4-o
    , @Desiderius
    Murray's Silent too.

    Maybe the Boomers are taking the rap for Silent shortcomings.
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  58. @Mr. Anon

    I am the Middlebury College professor who ended up with whiplash and a concussion for having the audacity to engage with the ideas of Charles Murray, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

    Though he is someone with whom I disagree, .......
     
    Perhaps the event should give her some reason to contemplate whether Murray might be correct.

    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.

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    Though he is someone with whom I disagree, …
     
    Perhaps the event should give her some reason to contemplate whether Murray might be correct.
     
    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.
     
    Why would it?

    Murray is famous for (eversogently) suggesting that blacks are dumber than whites. Yet she lives and teaches in a sea of very, very stupid whites. Who attacked her!

    This state is well over 90% white, even not counting "white Hispanics", and it crushes Catholic innkeepers for objecting when lesbians want to mock a holy sacrament on their property.

    Can't imagine colored folk doin' that.

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  59. Another Bad Week for the SPLC

    Yeah, they’re crying all the way to the bank. Didn’t Adam Smith say there’s a great deal of ruin in a half-billion-dollar foundation?

    Some People Like Chit’lin’s gonna be OK for awhile yet…

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  60. @Desiderius
    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.

    Though he is someone with whom I disagree, …

    Perhaps the event should give her some reason to contemplate whether Murray might be correct.

    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.

    Why would it?

    Murray is famous for (eversogently) suggesting that blacks are dumber than whites. Yet she lives and teaches in a sea of very, very stupid whites. Who attacked her!

    This state is well over 90% white, even not counting “white Hispanics”, and it crushes Catholic innkeepers for objecting when lesbians want to mock a holy sacrament on their property.

    Can’t imagine colored folk doin’ that.

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    Why would it?
     
    Biology.
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  61. Murray is the George Will/Bob Costas of the alt-right.
    He did some interesting work earlier in his career.
    He doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.
    Makes you wonder about his sincerity
    Sort of like Mary Matalin’s marriage to James Carville.

    Why even consider going to Middlebury College?
    Who does that?
    It’s a circle jerk with kids a third your age.
    Get a real fucking job/life!

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  62. @Reg Cæsar



    Though he is someone with whom I disagree, …
     
    Perhaps the event should give her some reason to contemplate whether Murray might be correct.
     
    If he had been injured protecting her, there might be some chance of that happening.
     
    Why would it?

    Murray is famous for (eversogently) suggesting that blacks are dumber than whites. Yet she lives and teaches in a sea of very, very stupid whites. Who attacked her!

    This state is well over 90% white, even not counting "white Hispanics", and it crushes Catholic innkeepers for objecting when lesbians want to mock a holy sacrament on their property.

    Can't imagine colored folk doin' that.

    Why would it?

    Biology.

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  63. @Reg Cæsar

    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.
     
    A full second on Wikipedia tells us "Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936)." You're off by nine years, two weeks and a day.

    If the so-called "boomers" ruined anything, it's education, because it's clear that nobody born after 1964 knows a goddam thing about anything. Or to find it out. Or even able to count!

    But then, their teachers were taught the New Math. And who came up with that?

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  64. Old fogey says:

    The good professor writes: “The Southern Poverty Law Center incorrectly labels Dr. Murray a “white nationalist,” but if we have learned nothing in this election, it is that such claims must be fact-checked, analyzed and assessed. ”

    I’m no college professor, but shouldn’t that read . . . if we have learned ANYTHING in this election. . .?

    Also, she says that the course she teaches “is nonpartisan” unlike, I assume, other courses taught at the campus. Do we now have courses that both students and teachers recognize as “partisan” at our colleges nowadays?

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    I expect he botched, via a typographical error of omission, the common construction "if we have learned nothing else."
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  65. pgbh says:
    @Bleach
    Is it just me or if there an implication by this woman that it would have been okay to shut down Murray's speech (and maybe rough some people up too) if he was in fact what the SPLC claimed he was?

    This is what struck me as well.

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  66. @Harry Baldwin
    Yes, if it were the 1930s these students would kill Hitler. But only if they were in a large mob and Hitler was elderly, unarmed, and protected only by a middle-aged woman. Oh, and if they could be assured there would be no repercussions from the authorities.

    Excellent comment, Harry (I can’t do “AGREE”)! Yeah, they don’t realize that they are just the type that would have been Hitler fans or, more likely, Commies back then – not the type to just leave people be. They just don’t do thinking very well, these people.

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  67. @Old fogey
    The good professor writes: "The Southern Poverty Law Center incorrectly labels Dr. Murray a “white nationalist,” but if we have learned nothing in this election, it is that such claims must be fact-checked, analyzed and assessed. "

    I'm no college professor, but shouldn't that read . . . if we have learned ANYTHING in this election. . .?

    Also, she says that the course she teaches "is nonpartisan" unlike, I assume, other courses taught at the campus. Do we now have courses that both students and teachers recognize as "partisan" at our colleges nowadays?

    I expect he botched, via a typographical error of omission, the common construction “if we have learned nothing else.”

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  68. @Erik L
    This incident sounds like the early days of the cultural revolution

    Yeah, they need something to do instead of “LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS”, since we only have 26 letters here.

    I got it! :

    A) Tweets are the new LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS.
    B) NYT Editorial page is the new little red book.
    C) Diversity Seminars is the new forcing your parents up on stage and throwing pig shit at em.
    D) Denial of tenure to conservatives is the new sending the university students up to Harbin in Manchuria to pick cabbage and live in a hut in subzero weather.
    E) Beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Soros is the new beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Mao.

    History doesn’t repeat itself, but idiots persist down through the ages.

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    For a large character poster, I nominate Disney's oldest, Pete:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_(Disney)

    If Pete is unavailable– even Donald Trump can't outnegotiate Disney– a good backup is Stumbo the Giant:

    http://www.toonopedia.com/stumbo.htm
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  69. @Reg Cæsar

    Wrought large, the legacy of the Boomers.
     
    A full second on Wikipedia tells us "Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936)." You're off by nine years, two weeks and a day.

    If the so-called "boomers" ruined anything, it's education, because it's clear that nobody born after 1964 knows a goddam thing about anything. Or to find it out. Or even able to count!

    But then, their teachers were taught the New Math. And who came up with that?

    Murray’s Silent too.

    Maybe the Boomers are taking the rap for Silent shortcomings.

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    Murray’s Silent too.

    Maybe the Boomers are taking the rap for Silent shortcomings.
     
    The Silents were the vanguard of the New Left in the 1970s. They were the ones who ultimately led the way in transforming the Democratic Party from what it used to be to what it is today.

    Examples include Diane Feinstein, Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, etc. Their counterparts on the right are the neocons. Trotskyites the both of them.

    Boomers were just the footsoldiers in the cultural war.
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  70. @Moshe
    Those who can entertain no possible explanation for Murray's anti-Trumpism other than he "cucked-out" are not the best that our tent has to offer.

    I am not myself arguing against viting for Trump. I'm taking very serious issue with the sort of people who say that Steve did not support Trump quite vehemently enough or wbo know with certainty that Murray's Never Trump approach was based on nothing but cowardice.

    I am sure that they are comfortable on the other boards that I am sure they are a part of and I am honored that they are less comfortable here.

    No, he cucked hard in favor of Big Grandma. I see, you favor the Talmudic tradition of trying to argue black into white.

    Steve probably would have been NeverTrump if it wasn’t for the fact his tin cup would be NeverFull if he did such a thing.

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  71. Bill P says:
    @Desiderius
    Murray's Silent too.

    Maybe the Boomers are taking the rap for Silent shortcomings.

    Murray’s Silent too.

    Maybe the Boomers are taking the rap for Silent shortcomings.

    The Silents were the vanguard of the New Left in the 1970s. They were the ones who ultimately led the way in transforming the Democratic Party from what it used to be to what it is today.

    Examples include Diane Feinstein, Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, etc. Their counterparts on the right are the neocons. Trotskyites the both of them.

    Boomers were just the footsoldiers in the cultural war.

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  72. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, they need something to do instead of "LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS", since we only have 26 letters here.

    I got it! :

    A) Tweets are the new LARGE CHARACTER POSTERS.
    B) NYT Editorial page is the new little red book.
    C) Diversity Seminars is the new forcing your parents up on stage and throwing pig shit at em.
    D) Denial of tenure to conservatives is the new sending the university students up to Harbin in Manchuria to pick cabbage and live in a hut in subzero weather.
    E) Beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Soros is the new beating the shit out of people on demand for Chairman Mao.

    History doesn't repeat itself, but idiots persist down through the ages.

    For a large character poster, I nominate Disney’s oldest, Pete:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_(Disney)

    If Pete is unavailable– even Donald Trump can’t outnegotiate Disney– a good backup is Stumbo the Giant:

    http://www.toonopedia.com/stumbo.htm

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