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Public-radio stars Leonard Lopate and Jonathan Schwartz suspended after sexual-misconduct claims

Following similar charges against ex-host John Hockenberry, two more WNYC personalities face allegations

JARRETT LYONS
12.06.2017•3:42 PM

Just two days after it was revealed the WNYC’s John Hockenberry left his show, “The Takeaway” over claims of sexual harassment in August, two more staff members of the same public-radio organization are under fire in connection with sexual-misconduct allegations. Leonard Lopate and Jonathan Schwartz were suspended today after both staff members and guests of their radio shows said they were sexually harassed.

Who knew that public radio was a veritable hotbed of poorly specified sexual misconduct?

While details of any of the allegations against either broadcaster remain unrevealed at this time, Laura Walker, president and CEO of New York Public Radio said “NYPR is committed to taking all appropriate steps to ensure a respectful, equitable, inclusive and harassment-free workplace for everyone,” in announcement and that they take the allegations “very seriously.”

Lopate told the New York Times that he was “baffled” and “really quite shocked and upset” by the move. “It makes no sense to me,” he told the Times. “I am sure any honest investigation will completely clear me. That’s the only thing I’m concerned about — the damage to my reputation.” …

Schwartz first debuted on local radio in 1958 playing a Sinatra song on WBAI, leading to him becoming the cultural authority on the singer and, more broadly, jazz and pop standards.

Lopate is 77, Schwartz 79.

How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up?

 
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    Yet more employees. Aside from Weinstein, no moguls were harmed in making of this movie.

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  2. No country for old men.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Not quite. Some guy from That 70s Show got it recently. His accuser only claimed three other people raped her before he did. She also allegedly threatened his girlfriend after he broke up with her. The score settling narrative fits, though.

    Oh, and he was fired even though the studio head and basically everyone believed him innocent (even the police).

    , @Anon
    No country for old men.

    Lose the 'o' in 'country'.
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  3. Bill P says:

    How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up

    About 50%. The other 50% is score-settling for younger women (not really so young — GenXers actually) who are pissed off that putting out didn’t actually pay off.

    I think the lesbians are encouraging them in this big time, but ultimately I don’t think that this will lead to lesbian cultural totalitarianism. Instead, it will result in the women becoming exhausted and demanding that their male peers step up to the plate and take over so they can finally have some guys who are suitable marriage material in their lives instead of creepy old married baby boomer guys.

    Our girls are subconsciously leveling things. Good for them.

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  4. Forbes says:

    These guys are too old to be Boomers. So really, it’s time to go. In their generation, you were retired to pasture at age 65. They stayed too long.

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    Yes, a 79-year-old would have been born in 1938. Fabulous timing — too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam, great cultural career opportunities in the 1960s. These people set the cultural tone that Boomers grew up in.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.
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  5. Maybe keeping there hands to themselves is one thing the young men are better at than the old folks.

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  6. wren says:

    I enjoy listening to NPR for a few minutes every day on my way to work (because I enjoy picking apart their shows in my head with no one to argue with me in the car).

    Morning Edition is always thick with the narrative sauce of the moment, which these days is that the Democrats are the party of woman believers and respecters and Republicans are the party of Roy Moore and Trump and unapologetic sexual abusers.

    David Greene has to explicitly spell out the narrative every morning for the slower listeners in a voice and tone that makes laugh out loud.

    “So what does this mean that voters in Alabama continue to support a man who is a known sexual predator?” (or something like that with a tone of sincerity)

    Rachel Martin: “Well David, I think Republicans are just saying that they have more respect for Trump and his agenda than all the women in their lives, unlike the Democrats who listen to women.” (Or something like that)

    David Greene: “Thank you Rachel.”

    The condescension in their voices and virtue signalling when they discuss Roy Moore is pretty funny.

    Especially when one of their executives seems to be outed every few days for abusing women.

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    Kudos that you can handle this repartee, I gave up when Trump hysteria started. Now with podcasts and a smartphone I am firmly off the plantation.
    , @Hhsiii
    That’s perfect. You nailed it. I listen, too.

    Next we will be hearing that the Car Talk brother who died molested somebody. Or Oscar Brand or Danny Stiles.

    “For NPR in Washington, I’m Dave Mattingly...and I’ve got a confession to make”
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  7. There are younger people at NPR?

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  8. Mr. Blank says:

    How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up?

    That had occurred to me, too. There’s definitely is a whiff of that, it seems. A lot of industries these days do seem rather top-heavy with long-serving folks who, for whatever reason, are reluctant to step aside for the next generation; it could very well be that a lot of places are latching on to this witch hunt as a quick and convenient way of cleaning house.

    It’s an attractive strategy because while it’s superficially neutral, as a practical matter, men who came of age before Anita Hill are going to be far more vulnerable on this stuff. Heck, you might not even have to fire them — some of them will probably see the writing on the wall and choose to retire before the mob comes for them. Men who grew up listening to interminable yearly HR lectures on consent and sexual harassment — i.e., younger guys — would mostly be spared, and conveniently available for the newly freed-up positions (which, I imagine, will come complete with MUCH skimpier salaries).

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    There have been complaints about Boomers hogging all the available job slots ever since Gen X graduated from college to find all the entry-level positions taken. Both Millennials and Gen Z have had a harder time finding employment because of the fat demographic bulge of the Boomers that has not yet retired, and some people in the younger cohorts have finally figured out that the Boomers started with virtually no student debt, cheap housing, and cheap cars, and are rather resentful about it because the Boomers created the world where the reverse of all these things are inflicted on the younger generations.
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  9. asdf says:

    Oh well. Least these purges seem bi-partisan. I wonder what state of mind Clinton is in. He should totally go on a talk show and let us know what he things. No?

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  10. This crap is ridiculous, but it would take a heart of stone not to laugh at ueber-sanctimonious New York liberal Lopate getting his.

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  11. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    There still remains one local radio interviewer/personality at station WNYC : Brian Lehrer.

    He enjoys the distinction of being even more left-wing and irritating than the recently sacked/suspended Leonard Lopate.

    It remains to be seen whether Lehrer will also be sacrificed on the altar of Enraged Sisterhood!

    Schadenfreude about these developments abounds amongst the few paleocons who exist in Sodom & Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, NYC).

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    I was listening to Brian Lehrer on April Fools' Day in 2016, and he played a joke on his audience, reporting that Trump made a monumental announcement that his positions on immigration, women's rights, etc., were designed to point out how racist and sexist the American people were (or something like that). The gullible members of his audience flooded the lines, saying they knew it all along, or it's so true, and on and on. It was one of the worst, and at the same time fascinating, things I ever heard.
    , @Hhsiii
    They always pull out Lehrer at night for the soul-searching episodes. I find his voice grating and he always sets off the gaydar, although I feel guilty about that because his wife died a few years ago.

    I hear David Mamet listens to NPR and gets so angry. It gives him ideas.
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  12. Roger says: • Website

    The witch hunt continues. Guilty until proven innocent. Except that it does not appear that anyone is going to be proven innocent, or even to get a fair hearing.

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  13. Always better to walk before they make you run.

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    Always better to walk before they make you run.
     
    Well, that's what the Stones thought:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clE8lH13rAA


    In real life, sometimes it's better to put up with the indignity of being fired than to quit voluntarily. It can give you cause to litigate and stand a good chance of either winning or, more likely, getting a payoff to go away out of corporate cowardice, and sometimes your contract pays off better that way.
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  14. This does have something to do with age, but its not about clearing out the elderly deadwood by management. These guys should have knocked off their nonsense about 25 years ago. I can understand any woman getting totally repulsed when grandpa starts doing a Don Juan on them. Ugh.

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    They look like gays, so we could be talking about the molestation of young boys. Like the conductor but unlike Hockenberry.

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  17. donut says:

    Tomorrow’s Headlines Today :

    ” Penis files suit against man for sexual assault . Towson Md. A local man’s penis filed suit in court today alleging years of degrading sexual abuse . Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz vows to obtain justice for the victim . Film at 11 .”

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  18. One of the great things about working for Public Television or NPR is that they don’t retire you no matter how old you get. Near the end, I believe Daniel Schorr was phoning in his commentary from a nursing home bed (it certainly sounded like it). And Diane Rehm was allowed to continue to do an interview show despite suffering from spasmodic dysphonia. Perhaps because the audience skews old, they like to stick with the familiar personalities. Similar to “60 Minutes.”

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    Dodger fans wanted Vin Scully to come out of retirement at age 90 this year to broadcast the World Series.

    I used to listen to Red Barber on NPR in the 1980s. Both these guys names will eventually sound like Paul Bunyan.
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  19. Karlub says:

    Point of order in regards to the alleged authority of Schwartz on Sinatra:

    Sid Mark is the disc jockey authority on Sinatra, which these people would know if they weren’t so provincial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Mark

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    Schwartz (whose father was, as a previous commenter said, Tin Pan Alley composer Arthur Schwartz, several of whose songs feature in the Sinatra oeuvre) had a lot of, shall we say, history with Sinatra. He wrote an autobiography (All in Good Time: A Memoir) and also tried his hand at singing this type of music himself. He had a serious conflict (of course, with Francis no other kind of conflict existed) with Sinatra and was persona non grata with the Sinatras for quite a while.

    Then again, by today's standards almost any male-female interaction in the style of the Sinatra-era Rat Pack would be considered 'sexual harassment'. I'm still, it seems, on the outs with a certain female entertainer's entourage when I commented that she was "a ring-a-ding broad" after a brief encounter to the woman's amaneusis. Of course, in Sinatraese, that was a high compliment, but it was taken as something very different.

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  20. utu says:

    Lopate is 77, Schwartz 79

    Old Jewish men cleansing.

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  21. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.

    Imagine being boing for 10 hrs straight.

    We have a Boinoid crisis along with the opioid crisis.

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    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.
     

    That's not really how Viagra works; you're only supposed to take it when an encounter is imminent. However, it's very amusing to picture some old guy who doesn't quite understand this, and thinks he's just supposed to pop one of the little blue pills every morning upon getting out of bed.
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  22. D. K. says:

    As a radio host, it is possible to insult your show’s guest sexually. It even is possible to assault your show’s guest sexually– although, as an erstwhile attorney, I would strongly advise that you do so only during commercial breaks, as, otherwise, anything that you say may be used against you in a court of law! What is not possible, however, as a matter of law, is for you to harass sexually a mere guest on your radio program.

    Jonathan Schwartz, by the way, is the son of famous composer Arthur Schwartz, who composed the melodies for many popular songs of the Great American Songbook variety, such as “Dancing in the Dark” and “That’s Entertainment”– as featured in the great MGM musical “The Band Wagon” (1953). (Arthur Schwartz’ best-known songwriting partner, lyricist Howard Dietz, actually was an MGM publicity executive, stationed in its New York office.)

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  23. CJ says:
    @Forbes
    These guys are too old to be Boomers. So really, it's time to go. In their generation, you were retired to pasture at age 65. They stayed too long.

    Yes, a 79-year-old would have been born in 1938. Fabulous timing — too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam, great cultural career opportunities in the 1960s. These people set the cultural tone that Boomers grew up in.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.

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    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.
     
    Good! Let the purge continue.
    , @Captain Tripps
    "too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam".

    Those are designated/labeled the Silent Generation (my parents, both born in 1942, although my father was young enough to serve in Vietnam; he volunteered before the war got going in full and did his 3-year hitch and got out).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation
    , @Forbes
    CJ, exactly. This is the generation responsible for much of the cultural disruption of the '60s, e.g. Tom Hayden, Jerry Rubin, Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn, et al.
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  24. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Heck, they can take the all jazz lovers at NPR out to the glue factory for all I care.

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  25. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Blank

    How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up?
     
    That had occurred to me, too. There's definitely is a whiff of that, it seems. A lot of industries these days do seem rather top-heavy with long-serving folks who, for whatever reason, are reluctant to step aside for the next generation; it could very well be that a lot of places are latching on to this witch hunt as a quick and convenient way of cleaning house.

    It's an attractive strategy because while it's superficially neutral, as a practical matter, men who came of age before Anita Hill are going to be far more vulnerable on this stuff. Heck, you might not even have to fire them — some of them will probably see the writing on the wall and choose to retire before the mob comes for them. Men who grew up listening to interminable yearly HR lectures on consent and sexual harassment — i.e., younger guys — would mostly be spared, and conveniently available for the newly freed-up positions (which, I imagine, will come complete with MUCH skimpier salaries).

    There have been complaints about Boomers hogging all the available job slots ever since Gen X graduated from college to find all the entry-level positions taken. Both Millennials and Gen Z have had a harder time finding employment because of the fat demographic bulge of the Boomers that has not yet retired, and some people in the younger cohorts have finally figured out that the Boomers started with virtually no student debt, cheap housing, and cheap cars, and are rather resentful about it because the Boomers created the world where the reverse of all these things are inflicted on the younger generations.

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    I'm not saying that most of those boomers didn't bring this on too, but lots of them can't afford to quit working because they've lived as spendthrifts their entire lives. Additionally, the economy really isn't going to get better, and the FED has kept interest rates down to near 0 for almost a decade running.

    That means that even those who put a coupla' hundred thousand away could have gotten, in a conservative manner, almost 1000 bucks monthly perpetually to supplement the SS check. Little old ladies have been really screwed by this (just due to their staying around longer, I mean). The DOW Jones ponzi scheme won't go on forever, and the smart ones know this.

    This may not apply specifically to these NPR old fogies - it's still very funny to me though - but I'm answering your comment just about boomers in general.
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  27. Bubba says:

    Jonathan Schwartz?!?! Didn’t realize he could sexually harass women because he always sounded like he was 100+ years old and take forever to tell a story. When he was a host on the Sinatra station on XM radio (before the Sirius merger) I would often find myself yelling, “C’mon Jon! Speed it up!!”

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  28. Whiskey says: • Website

    This mirrors the kind of thing the Democratic Party faces: a purge of older White leaders like Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, and the like in favor of: Kamala Harris, Keith Ellison X, the various tedious La Raza types in California, the oily and on-the-make Antonio Villaraigosa, and … Lena Dunham. The voice of her generation.

    Its not as if Trump is a super-genius. He’s just the one-eyed in the Kingdom of the Blind.

    What is the future of the Democratic Party? Appealing to non-Whites and a tiny bit of Upper Class Whites who hate other Whites for not being super-duper successful. [The key to anti-White hate is that attitude, often expressed by dweeby or "artistic" types in coastal cities, by Whites who either make it to the top or think they are going to make it there soon.] That’s it. That’s neither a particularly astute leadership class able to add two and two and get four; nor one that can appeal to Whites in flyover states.

    Same with Hollywood, NPR, the infotainment center, etc. It will all resemble a cross between a Rap Album release party and 500 lb lesbian feminists (but I repeat myself) as a giant freak show. If dudes like the purged Hockenberry were pathetic, and Lauer perverted, who do you think will replace them? Its freaks all the way down.

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  29. In the late 1960′s and early 1970′s Schwartz was a deejay on New York’s “alternative radio” FM rock station WNEW. His nasal voice always grated on me. But what’s mildly funny, to me, about the current revelation of his sexual harassment is that, back in the 60′s-70′s a guy I went to university with used to call him, “Jonathan Schwantz.”

    If I recall correctly, Schwartz recently wed actress Zohra Lampert (b. 1937), who was an early-60′s ingénue of sorts, she had an odd sort of beauty that seemed to confound directors who might have wanted to cast her in their projects. As the wife of the Warren Beatty character Lampert had a minor turn in the Elia Kazan film Splendor In The Grass, and she was excellent in the Ernest Borgnine film Pay Or Die!, about real-life New York police detective Lieutenant Joseph Petrosino who battled the Black Hand precursor to the Mafia.

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  30. Oh yeah, like Michael Feldman of Michael Feldman’s Whatdya Know for Public Radio Interntional. He’s a spry youngish 68.

    I think he’s the one who sounds like Bob Newhart’s kid brother, if Newhart hadn’t bothered to tone down his Midwestern accent for national consumption.

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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Always better to walk before they make you run.

    Always better to walk before they make you run.

    Well, that’s what the Stones thought:

    In real life, sometimes it’s better to put up with the indignity of being fired than to quit voluntarily. It can give you cause to litigate and stand a good chance of either winning or, more likely, getting a payoff to go away out of corporate cowardice, and sometimes your contract pays off better that way.

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    Dude, I had that song in my head, as soon as I read T.A.G.'s sentence! I always liked that one.

    I agree with you, but also taking a stand can be a lot of fun too, depending on how well you got along with your co-workers. I know a Doc that made a point to antagonize the head of the hospital to make the guy fire him. The story of that meeting was pretty funny. The hospital admin. also told the Doc to be out 2 months before the end of his contract, giving him about 2 months free vacation that would normally have an opportunity cost for him of about $35,000 each month.

    Oh, the Doc did this so he would keep his sign-on bonus about 40K or so, vs not if he left voluntarily. He already had his next job worked out.

    This kind of thing won't happen to a good boss though.

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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Karlub
    Point of order in regards to the alleged authority of Schwartz on Sinatra:

    Sid Mark is the disc jockey authority on Sinatra, which these people would know if they weren't so provincial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Mark

    Schwartz (whose father was, as a previous commenter said, Tin Pan Alley composer Arthur Schwartz, several of whose songs feature in the Sinatra oeuvre) had a lot of, shall we say, history with Sinatra. He wrote an autobiography (All in Good Time: A Memoir) and also tried his hand at singing this type of music himself. He had a serious conflict (of course, with Francis no other kind of conflict existed) with Sinatra and was persona non grata with the Sinatras for quite a while.

    Then again, by today’s standards almost any male-female interaction in the style of the Sinatra-era Rat Pack would be considered ‘sexual harassment’. I’m still, it seems, on the outs with a certain female entertainer’s entourage when I commented that she was “a ring-a-ding broad” after a brief encounter to the woman’s amaneusis. Of course, in Sinatraese, that was a high compliment, but it was taken as something very different.

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    http://www.wnyc.org/streams/ ____ scroll down a bit

    Not to fret, fidget, fumble or worry. The Jonathan Schwartz stream at WNYC is still intact. Frank Sinatra and in that vein streaming all day long
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  33. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    Schwartz (whose father was, as a previous commenter said, Tin Pan Alley composer Arthur Schwartz, several of whose songs feature in the Sinatra oeuvre) had a lot of, shall we say, history with Sinatra. He wrote an autobiography (All in Good Time: A Memoir) and also tried his hand at singing this type of music himself. He had a serious conflict (of course, with Francis no other kind of conflict existed) with Sinatra and was persona non grata with the Sinatras for quite a while.

    Then again, by today's standards almost any male-female interaction in the style of the Sinatra-era Rat Pack would be considered 'sexual harassment'. I'm still, it seems, on the outs with a certain female entertainer's entourage when I commented that she was "a ring-a-ding broad" after a brief encounter to the woman's amaneusis. Of course, in Sinatraese, that was a high compliment, but it was taken as something very different.

    http://www.wnyc.org/streams/ ____ scroll down a bit

    Not to fret, fidget, fumble or worry. The Jonathan Schwartz stream at WNYC is still intact. Frank Sinatra and in that vein streaming all day long

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  34. @Harry Baldwin
    One of the great things about working for Public Television or NPR is that they don't retire you no matter how old you get. Near the end, I believe Daniel Schorr was phoning in his commentary from a nursing home bed (it certainly sounded like it). And Diane Rehm was allowed to continue to do an interview show despite suffering from spasmodic dysphonia. Perhaps because the audience skews old, they like to stick with the familiar personalities. Similar to "60 Minutes."

    Dodger fans wanted Vin Scully to come out of retirement at age 90 this year to broadcast the World Series.

    I used to listen to Red Barber on NPR in the 1980s. Both these guys names will eventually sound like Paul Bunyan.

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    I can see that for the nostalgia, unless the guy sounds like he's in the nursing home. As an anecdote relating just one more thing that pisses me off (I've got a list), a DJ at one of the longer-running radio stations near me has been around for over 30 years, since even before I was somewhat involved in that business. He plays the usual classic rock, which is not the problem. What else do the young people have to listen to that's any good? However, this guy talks with the old-timey gravelly voice that used to be cool, but he's just an old man. Then, he will give commentary on the music about "... that's when the Hell's Angels at Altamonte... blah, blah..." "... yeah, the drummer OD'd in late 1968 and then the band ..."

    Who gives a crap, old fart? 99% of your listeners weren't even born then - they can dig the music but not your 50-year-old stories, so shut it and spin the LP's, I mean plug something in, whatever you people do now. Nobody even knows what a DJ is, so we're not gonna want your autograph next time we see you at the gas station ....

    /Rant off
    , @Brutusale
    The banter between Red Barber and Bob Edwards was what radio should be but seldom is.
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  35. unit472 says:

    I’m concerned as the Weather Channel ( owned by NBC ) has been off the air on my cable system since yesterday afternoon. Have the Weather gals come for Jim Cantore, Paul Goodloe and Reynolds Wolf?

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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @CJ
    Yes, a 79-year-old would have been born in 1938. Fabulous timing — too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam, great cultural career opportunities in the 1960s. These people set the cultural tone that Boomers grew up in.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.

    Good! Let the purge continue.

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  37. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    No country for old men.

    Not quite. Some guy from That 70s Show got it recently. His accuser only claimed three other people raped her before he did. She also allegedly threatened his girlfriend after he broke up with her. The score settling narrative fits, though.

    Oh, and he was fired even though the studio head and basically everyone believed him innocent (even the police).

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    Greek girls are crazy, and Greeks knew all about how women can go to any length to get even. Since they can't overpower men, they use all kinds of guile. Beware of Beguilement Syndrome.

    GONE GIRL lunacy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1GAQwyAKgQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_BBr20t_gA

    Women can wreck the world through innocence. Eve and Pandora.

    Women can wreck the world through guile. Noir vamps.

    The innocents are easily suckered and seduced, like Swedish women into 'saving the world'.
    But there are also those with guile. They wanna paly the men's game but when they fall short, they use all sorts of guile.
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  38. “How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up?”

    Seems like most of it, to me. Trump’s victory certainly weakened the powers-that-be within the ‘blue tribe’ (essentially D.H. Fisher’s Puritan folkway, which is both a cultural and ethnic construct including dutiful minorities) but those LARPing that this is a ‘red tribe’ (I’m borrowing these from slatestarcodex btw) counter-coup involving military intelligence or something like that are too out there for me when this is pretty much exactly what you’d expect from an intra-folkway generational struggle (and the same thing might be said about the entirety of SJWism’s refocusing on bad-progressives.)

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  39. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    There still remains one local radio interviewer/personality at station WNYC : Brian Lehrer.

    He enjoys the distinction of being even more left-wing and irritating than the recently sacked/suspended Leonard Lopate.

    It remains to be seen whether Lehrer will also be sacrificed on the altar of Enraged Sisterhood!

    Schadenfreude about these developments abounds amongst the few paleocons who exist in Sodom & Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, NYC).

    I was listening to Brian Lehrer on April Fools’ Day in 2016, and he played a joke on his audience, reporting that Trump made a monumental announcement that his positions on immigration, women’s rights, etc., were designed to point out how racist and sexist the American people were (or something like that). The gullible members of his audience flooded the lines, saying they knew it all along, or it’s so true, and on and on. It was one of the worst, and at the same time fascinating, things I ever heard.

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  40. “How much of this is this clearing out elderly deadwood because there are younger people raring to move up?”

    Spot on! An employer has the onus of defending against an OWBA claim, but the onus is essentially (though technically not legally) on the employee in a sexual harassment dismissal.

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  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @wren
    I enjoy listening to NPR for a few minutes every day on my way to work (because I enjoy picking apart their shows in my head with no one to argue with me in the car).

    Morning Edition is always thick with the narrative sauce of the moment, which these days is that the Democrats are the party of woman believers and respecters and Republicans are the party of Roy Moore and Trump and unapologetic sexual abusers.

    David Greene has to explicitly spell out the narrative every morning for the slower listeners in a voice and tone that makes laugh out loud.

    "So what does this mean that voters in Alabama continue to support a man who is a known sexual predator?" (or something like that with a tone of sincerity)

    Rachel Martin: "Well David, I think Republicans are just saying that they have more respect for Trump and his agenda than all the women in their lives, unlike the Democrats who listen to women." (Or something like that)

    David Greene: "Thank you Rachel."

    The condescension in their voices and virtue signalling when they discuss Roy Moore is pretty funny.

    Especially when one of their executives seems to be outed every few days for abusing women.

    Kudos that you can handle this repartee, I gave up when Trump hysteria started. Now with podcasts and a smartphone I am firmly off the plantation.

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  42. @CJ
    Yes, a 79-year-old would have been born in 1938. Fabulous timing — too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam, great cultural career opportunities in the 1960s. These people set the cultural tone that Boomers grew up in.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.

    “too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam”.

    Those are designated/labeled the Silent Generation (my parents, both born in 1942, although my father was young enough to serve in Vietnam; he volunteered before the war got going in full and did his 3-year hitch and got out).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation

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  43. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.

    Imagine being boing for 10 hrs straight.

    We have a Boinoid crisis along with the opioid crisis.

    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?

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    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?

    Randomly or not, it's the long-lasting effect. Suppose Carlos Rosario took viag in the morning to have sex with some woman. The problem he has the Beavis-Stiffy-Syndrome all day and keeps trying to seek release... but it remains boing.

    Maybe what Pharma should do come up with a boing-suppressant drug. It's like women eat diet pills to suppress hunger since the pleasure of eating turn them into fattoons.
    So, for men to stay out of trouble and be less distracted, they should take pills during work that will prevent lecherous behavior.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    The odds are good but the goods are odd!
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  44. Hhsiii says:
    @wren
    I enjoy listening to NPR for a few minutes every day on my way to work (because I enjoy picking apart their shows in my head with no one to argue with me in the car).

    Morning Edition is always thick with the narrative sauce of the moment, which these days is that the Democrats are the party of woman believers and respecters and Republicans are the party of Roy Moore and Trump and unapologetic sexual abusers.

    David Greene has to explicitly spell out the narrative every morning for the slower listeners in a voice and tone that makes laugh out loud.

    "So what does this mean that voters in Alabama continue to support a man who is a known sexual predator?" (or something like that with a tone of sincerity)

    Rachel Martin: "Well David, I think Republicans are just saying that they have more respect for Trump and his agenda than all the women in their lives, unlike the Democrats who listen to women." (Or something like that)

    David Greene: "Thank you Rachel."

    The condescension in their voices and virtue signalling when they discuss Roy Moore is pretty funny.

    Especially when one of their executives seems to be outed every few days for abusing women.

    That’s perfect. You nailed it. I listen, too.

    Next we will be hearing that the Car Talk brother who died molested somebody. Or Oscar Brand or Danny Stiles.

    “For NPR in Washington, I’m Dave Mattingly…and I’ve got a confession to make”

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  45. What are public broadcasting’s ratings and donor base these days? “Elderly and shrinking,” is my guess. Their executives have got to be worried.

    Public media really does remind me of academe: a subsidized guild with aging solipsists who insist on being carried out. It’s also whiter than Augusta National, which leaves a lot of marketing fruit on the vine. I’m sure they’d like to showcase some more hip, Vibrant, and woke talent. The Circular Firing Squad continues its good work.

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  46. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?

    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?

    Randomly or not, it’s the long-lasting effect. Suppose Carlos Rosario took viag in the morning to have sex with some woman. The problem he has the Beavis-Stiffy-Syndrome all day and keeps trying to seek release… but it remains boing.

    Maybe what Pharma should do come up with a boing-suppressant drug. It’s like women eat diet pills to suppress hunger since the pleasure of eating turn them into fattoons.
    So, for men to stay out of trouble and be less distracted, they should take pills during work that will prevent lecherous behavior.

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  47. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Silber
    No country for old men.

    No country for old men.

    Lose the ‘o’ in ‘country’.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Not quite. Some guy from That 70s Show got it recently. His accuser only claimed three other people raped her before he did. She also allegedly threatened his girlfriend after he broke up with her. The score settling narrative fits, though.

    Oh, and he was fired even though the studio head and basically everyone believed him innocent (even the police).

    Greek girls are crazy, and Greeks knew all about how women can go to any length to get even. Since they can’t overpower men, they use all kinds of guile. Beware of Beguilement Syndrome.

    GONE GIRL lunacy.

    Women can wreck the world through innocence. Eve and Pandora.

    Women can wreck the world through guile. Noir vamps.

    The innocents are easily suckered and seduced, like Swedish women into ‘saving the world’.
    But there are also those with guile. They wanna paly the men’s game but when they fall short, they use all sorts of guile.

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  49. Hhsiii says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    There still remains one local radio interviewer/personality at station WNYC : Brian Lehrer.

    He enjoys the distinction of being even more left-wing and irritating than the recently sacked/suspended Leonard Lopate.

    It remains to be seen whether Lehrer will also be sacrificed on the altar of Enraged Sisterhood!

    Schadenfreude about these developments abounds amongst the few paleocons who exist in Sodom & Gomorrah on the Hudson (aka, NYC).

    They always pull out Lehrer at night for the soul-searching episodes. I find his voice grating and he always sets off the gaydar, although I feel guilty about that because his wife died a few years ago.

    I hear David Mamet listens to NPR and gets so angry. It gives him ideas.

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    Hhsii:

    Brian Lehrer's voice and liberal sensibilities do come over as 3 dollar bills. But I also share your view about the death of his late wife.

    I am glad to share David Mamet's disdain/revulsion with NPR!
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  50. jack ryan says: • Website

    This really does feel like Stalinist era inter party feuds, purges – women are not “the fairer sex” and they are vindictive.

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  51. Svigor says:

    Perhaps because the audience skews old, they like to stick with the familiar personalities. Similar to “60 Minutes.”

    Sexual misconduct charges seem like a better way to excuse a firing to the customer base, than to the staff. I mean, firing still works just fine, last I heard. No need to trump up charges. But when you have an old fuddy-duddy communist that your old fuddy-duddy communist audience is attached to, sexual misconduct charges sound like a great way to shut them up, get them to accept whatever hack you replace him with.

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  52. @Anon
    A geezer downs viagra randomly? In hopes of what he might find?

    The odds are good but the goods are odd!

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  53. @Steve Sailer
    Dodger fans wanted Vin Scully to come out of retirement at age 90 this year to broadcast the World Series.

    I used to listen to Red Barber on NPR in the 1980s. Both these guys names will eventually sound like Paul Bunyan.

    I can see that for the nostalgia, unless the guy sounds like he’s in the nursing home. As an anecdote relating just one more thing that pisses me off (I’ve got a list), a DJ at one of the longer-running radio stations near me has been around for over 30 years, since even before I was somewhat involved in that business. He plays the usual classic rock, which is not the problem. What else do the young people have to listen to that’s any good? However, this guy talks with the old-timey gravelly voice that used to be cool, but he’s just an old man. Then, he will give commentary on the music about “… that’s when the Hell’s Angels at Altamonte… blah, blah…” “… yeah, the drummer OD’d in late 1968 and then the band …”

    Who gives a crap, old fart? 99% of your listeners weren’t even born then – they can dig the music but not your 50-year-old stories, so shut it and spin the LP’s, I mean plug something in, whatever you people do now. Nobody even knows what a DJ is, so we’re not gonna want your autograph next time we see you at the gas station ….

    /Rant off

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  54. @Anon
    There have been complaints about Boomers hogging all the available job slots ever since Gen X graduated from college to find all the entry-level positions taken. Both Millennials and Gen Z have had a harder time finding employment because of the fat demographic bulge of the Boomers that has not yet retired, and some people in the younger cohorts have finally figured out that the Boomers started with virtually no student debt, cheap housing, and cheap cars, and are rather resentful about it because the Boomers created the world where the reverse of all these things are inflicted on the younger generations.

    I’m not saying that most of those boomers didn’t bring this on too, but lots of them can’t afford to quit working because they’ve lived as spendthrifts their entire lives. Additionally, the economy really isn’t going to get better, and the FED has kept interest rates down to near 0 for almost a decade running.

    That means that even those who put a coupla’ hundred thousand away could have gotten, in a conservative manner, almost 1000 bucks monthly perpetually to supplement the SS check. Little old ladies have been really screwed by this (just due to their staying around longer, I mean). The DOW Jones ponzi scheme won’t go on forever, and the smart ones know this.

    This may not apply specifically to these NPR old fogies – it’s still very funny to me though – but I’m answering your comment just about boomers in general.

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  55. @Anonymous

    Always better to walk before they make you run.
     
    Well, that's what the Stones thought:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clE8lH13rAA


    In real life, sometimes it's better to put up with the indignity of being fired than to quit voluntarily. It can give you cause to litigate and stand a good chance of either winning or, more likely, getting a payoff to go away out of corporate cowardice, and sometimes your contract pays off better that way.

    Dude, I had that song in my head, as soon as I read T.A.G.’s sentence! I always liked that one.

    I agree with you, but also taking a stand can be a lot of fun too, depending on how well you got along with your co-workers. I know a Doc that made a point to antagonize the head of the hospital to make the guy fire him. The story of that meeting was pretty funny. The hospital admin. also told the Doc to be out 2 months before the end of his contract, giving him about 2 months free vacation that would normally have an opportunity cost for him of about $35,000 each month.

    Oh, the Doc did this so he would keep his sign-on bonus about 40K or so, vs not if he left voluntarily. He already had his next job worked out.

    This kind of thing won’t happen to a good boss though.

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  56. @Anon
    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.

    Imagine being boing for 10 hrs straight.

    We have a Boinoid crisis along with the opioid crisis.

    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.

    That’s not really how Viagra works; you’re only supposed to take it when an encounter is imminent. However, it’s very amusing to picture some old guy who doesn’t quite understand this, and thinks he’s just supposed to pop one of the little blue pills every morning upon getting out of bed.

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    That’s not really how Viagra works; you’re only supposed to take it when an encounter is imminent. However, it’s very amusing to picture some old guy who doesn’t quite understand this, and thinks he’s just supposed to pop one of the little blue pills every morning upon getting out of bed.
     
    Yeah, but knowing that they can pop a Viagra when need be has to be fueling some of this, 75 year old guys and so forth. Hugh Hefner even came out of retirement because of viagra, more or less, he had sort of packed things in previous to its introduction.
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  57. this one really hurts. Lopate is very good. I listen to the MP3 files of his show all the time.

    http://feeds.wnyc.org/wnyc_lopate

    I mean, yeah, he is stupid in terms of left wing politics. But a lot of the cultural and historical stuff he does is excellent. He is so much better than the women or blacks who replace him from time to time.

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  58. Dan Hayes says:
    @Hhsiii
    They always pull out Lehrer at night for the soul-searching episodes. I find his voice grating and he always sets off the gaydar, although I feel guilty about that because his wife died a few years ago.

    I hear David Mamet listens to NPR and gets so angry. It gives him ideas.

    Hhsii:

    Brian Lehrer’s voice and liberal sensibilities do come over as 3 dollar bills. But I also share your view about the death of his late wife.

    I am glad to share David Mamet’s disdain/revulsion with NPR!

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  59. Leonard Lopate interviewing Patti Smith about Sam Shepard.

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/patti-smith-sam-shepards-legacy/

    liberals are such stupid bastards.

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  60. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Dodger fans wanted Vin Scully to come out of retirement at age 90 this year to broadcast the World Series.

    I used to listen to Red Barber on NPR in the 1980s. Both these guys names will eventually sound like Paul Bunyan.

    The banter between Red Barber and Bob Edwards was what radio should be but seldom is.

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  61. don says:

    I really think in these cases, and the case of Garrison Keillor, these “charges” were a convenient way to dump guys who had become too expensive.

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  62. anonguy says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Viagra complicated matters.

    With old guys popping boners, they get more Beavisy.
     

    That's not really how Viagra works; you're only supposed to take it when an encounter is imminent. However, it's very amusing to picture some old guy who doesn't quite understand this, and thinks he's just supposed to pop one of the little blue pills every morning upon getting out of bed.

    That’s not really how Viagra works; you’re only supposed to take it when an encounter is imminent. However, it’s very amusing to picture some old guy who doesn’t quite understand this, and thinks he’s just supposed to pop one of the little blue pills every morning upon getting out of bed.

    Yeah, but knowing that they can pop a Viagra when need be has to be fueling some of this, 75 year old guys and so forth. Hugh Hefner even came out of retirement because of viagra, more or less, he had sort of packed things in previous to its introduction.

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  63. Forbes says:
    @CJ
    Yes, a 79-year-old would have been born in 1938. Fabulous timing — too young for WW2 and Korea, too old for Vietnam, great cultural career opportunities in the 1960s. These people set the cultural tone that Boomers grew up in.

    I have no direct knowledge of these two, but a purge of public radio is going to make it even more one-dimensional. It’s not likely to increase the size of the audience.

    CJ, exactly. This is the generation responsible for much of the cultural disruption of the ’60s, e.g. Tom Hayden, Jerry Rubin, Bill Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn, et al.

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