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Ryan Adams’ music is being #MeTooed off the radio due to allegations of his being “psychologically abusive” of his ex-wife and other women.

I can’t say I’ll miss his songs because the only thing I know about Ryan Adams is that I’m not the only oldster to get him confused with 1980s power balladeer Bryan Adams, and that that peeves him no end.

But after ejecting a fan who demanded “Summer of ’69” Ryan Adams has made peace with nomenclatural confusion:

From The Guardian:

The Ryan Adams allegations are the tip of an indie-music iceberg

Laura Snapes
So-called alternative musicians pride themselves on being more enlightened than their rock counterparts, but in my years of writing about them, I have found no end of ‘beta male misogyny’

Thu 14 Feb 2019 12.07 EST

Ryan Adams … many musicians are insulated by the myth of the unbridled male genius.

I wish I could say I was surprised by the New York Times report detailing allegations that the singer-songwriter Ryan Adams offered to mentor young women, before pursuing them sexually and turning nasty after they turned him down. His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”.

I wonder what percentage of readers read “psychologically abusive” as “physically abusive”? I mean, the notion that somebody’s ex-spouse is complaining that they were “psychologically abusive” is not, when you stop and think about it, pretty anticlimactic. So, I bet a lot of people just interpret “psychologically” as “physically” and assume Ryan Adams is being purged from cultural memory for punching his wife in the face rather than, say, acting passive-aggressively toward her.

After #MeToo comes for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs. But until that day, here’s one with lyrics that even Sir Mick thinks might have been a little inappropriate:

 
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  1. After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.

    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.
    , @snorlax, @Rosamond Vincy
    Actually, Richard was said to be terribly controlling of Karen, and her anorexia may have been the result.

    Meanwhile, the radio still plays tracks off Thriller and Off the Wall. Good songs, I'll grant you.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.
     
    Hah! Excellent! That's meme-worthy!

    And perhaps there is some subtle counter-signalling in all this #metoo business.

  2. This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback.

    Rap stations must be relieved that rappers live such chaste lives and are such gallant gentlemen in dealing with the ladies.

    • Replies: @Escher

    Rap stations must be relieved that rappers live such chaste lives and are such gallant gentlemen in dealing with the ladies.
     
    Didn’t you see Snoop dogg, Dr. Dre and 50 cent in the “pu**y hat” march?
  3. @TheBoom

    After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.
     
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend’s mom.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Maybe the Archies are acceptable. They were a cartoon band. I hope one of the voice actors didn't neglect to call a woman when he said he would.
  4. @TheBoom

    After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.
     
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend’s mom.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    A lot more to Lawrence Welk than meets the eye. The truth slips through in this accordion version of One Toke Over the Line.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE
    , @The Alarmist
    You friend's mom was an Andrews sister?
    , @Daniel H
    >>>I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend’s mom.

    Whoa. If it was printed in the National Enquirer, I believe it.

    John Lennon always read the National Enquirer. He did so because he claimed that they always got the story right about him. He figured that if they always got it right about him they must be right about others too.
    , @tyrone
    OK ….. now we need the whole story.
    , @Steve2
    These days, he’d be in trouble if he was sleeping with the mom, instead of the dad.
  5. Anon[849] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re telling me that someone’s ex-spouse is giving a negative characterization of them? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to learn of these developments. We must warn others so he doesn’t get the chance to do it again.

    But until that day, here’s one with lyrics that even Sir Mick thinks might have been a little inappropriate:

    I thought it was going to be Under My Thumb.

    BTW I don’t know much about Ryan Adams, but he had a good song in This is 40, before Judd Apatow became 100% pozzed (he was only 85% pozzed back then).

    • Agree: snorlax, James Speaks
    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    I always thought Stray Cat Blues was the most problematic of the Rolling Stone songs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBaU6l1Lm8
    , @reactionry
    Bacchanalian Belushi-Blutarksy Bashes Instrumentality Of Beta Male Troubadour:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs
  6. “Beta male misogyny”

    Laura Snapes is truly nasty. That is downright mean. But funny.

    I’d like to see her insult a rap “artist” like that — too bad she won’t. She knows full well she’d end up in the ER. But that’s kind of the point, right? She can troll Ryan Adams all she wants and enjoy the smug satisfaction of it without ever having to worry about getting her teeth fixed afterward.

    And, in the meanwhile, the girls who ran off to get knocked up by ISIS jihadis are all now begging to be allowed to come back home because they were just innocent, brainwashed victims.

    Never mind all that: Ryan Adams and his ilk are the real monsters in our society, and they must be deeply humiliated for… something.

    • Replies: @Ibound1

    And, in the meanwhile, the girls who ran off to get knocked up by ISIS jihadis are all now begging to be allowed to come back home because they were just innocent, brainwashed victims
     
    One of them, admits she was fine with beheading the Kafir because it is approved by Islam.

    But soon these "Brits" won't be begging, they will be demanding. And then they will be suing and will there ever be plenty of human rights organizations taking up for them! No question. And then they will win and be given free public housing, free medical care etc. The West is suicidal.
    , @Bubba
    AGREE and LOL! Thanks for pointing out the salient facts of feminist hypocrisy which always go unnoticed or conveniently ignored by the self-appointed intellectual glitterati. My high school English teachers would have failed me for writing illogical tripe like Mizzzzzzzzz Snapes. And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy's "We are Woman!" On second thought "regression" is more apt.
  7. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    From the article:

    His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”. When the musician Phoebe Bridgers began a relationship with Adams after he offered to mentor her – at the time he was 40, she 20 – she said he quickly became emotionally abusive and manipulative, “threatening suicide” if she didn’t reply to his texts immediately.

    So wait a minute. He didn’t rape anybody or molest anybody? He was just sort of a prick? That gets you MeTooed now?

    I would be interested to know how he psychologically abuses a woman who is much more famous than he is. Probably richer too. And while I haven’t seen her for awhile, I seem to recall that, at the time she was famous, she was attractive enough that she could have had her pick of men. So she wasn’t exactly helpless here. I mean, it would be one thing if he was physically abusive. But she doesn’t seem to allege that.

    And obviously, threatening to kill yourself for attention is pretty crappy, but is it possible he genuinely was suicidal? I’m sure it’s no fun to put up with that, but it doesn’t seem like something you ought to punish him for, if he really was suicidal.

    I suppose it’s possible he did worse stuff, but if so, why didn’t the article mention it?

    Dark times.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Yeah, but if she said, "Go ahead, loser!" she could be the next Michelle Carter.
    , @Allen
    The one allegation that is an actual issue is the claim he was sexting with a 14 year old girl, although I think the messages indicate he asked about her age and she lied, still doesn't merit the outrage mob when we stop and remember say Chuck Berry
  8. OT

    The Law of Return Is Suicidal
    [Haaretz]
    Severe overcrowding, coupled with a horrifically high birthrate, is already set to turn Israel into a living hell that will only get worse with an influx of Jewish immigrants

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Gee, how do you say 'Living Space' in Yiddish?
  9. Ray Davies especially

    Everybody talking about racial equality
    But I’m the only honky living on an all black street
    They knock me down ‘cos they brown and I white
    Like you wouldn’t believe it

    Everybody talking about racial equality
    Yeah, everybody talking about equal rights
    But white’s white, black’s black, that’s that
    And that’s the way you should leave it

  10. Applying Steve’s law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    BINGO!

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Related to Severus Snape, perhaps?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Nothing says Feminist with a capital F like not bothering to wash or comb your hair before getting your picture taken.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mike, and that is why the Makeup industry is so important.
    , @mmack
    She looks like Neil from The Young Ones

    “Vegetable rights and peace, man”
    , @Anon
    Jeez Mike. Where'd ya find her at? I'd take occasional cortex or I Omar any day over her! I'd bet they'd bring a lot more firepower to the bed table than this specimen here!
  11. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Martina Navratilova noticed something about transsexual athletes and wrote about it today.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x

    Last December she made a hasty remark on Twitter and was upbraided by the tranny community and its allies. “You need to study up on the science!” She took that to heart, provisionally apologized, and hit the books.

    Today she returned, with a vengeance, in the London Times, freshly boned-up on tranny science, and boy are the trannies pissed off.

    I’m really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Go for it, Martina.
    , @Barnard
    Martina has always been blunt about speaking her mind and at this point in her life, I don't know that she will back down. I don't think the powers that be in pro tennis have the power and clout to unperson her either. My money would be on her winning.
    , @ThreeCranes
    A tennis player who is used to winning won't back down just because she lost the first set.
    , @Kylie
    "I’m really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?"

    Being of the persuasion and exceedingly mannish, she's not exactly charging into battle unarmed.
  12. @TheBoom

    After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.
     
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.
  13. Tom Petty’s “Breakdown” would certainly seem vulnerable to this sort of twaddle.

  14. @TheBoom
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback.

    Rap stations must be relieved that rappers live such chaste lives and are such gallant gentlemen in dealing with the ladies.

    Rap stations must be relieved that rappers live such chaste lives and are such gallant gentlemen in dealing with the ladies.

    Didn’t you see Snoop dogg, Dr. Dre and 50 cent in the “pu**y hat” march?

  15. And then they came for Martina Navratilova

    The former Wimbledon champion Martina Navratilova has been criticised for “disturbing, upsetting, and deeply transphobic” comments after she argued that allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sporting tournaments was “insane and cheating”.

    Standby for a groveling apology.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/17/martina-navratilova-criticised-over-cheating-trans-women-comments

  16. Ryan Adams eventually came to terms with being mistaken for Brian Adams and embraced it somewhat. He would routinely perform a cover version of Summer of 69 at his shows.

    Do groupies these days not realize that they’re groupies?

  17. @Anon
    OT

    Martina Navratilova noticed something about transsexual athletes and wrote about it today.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x

    Last December she made a hasty remark on Twitter and was upbraided by the tranny community and its allies. "You need to study up on the science!" She took that to heart, provisionally apologized, and hit the books.

    Today she returned, with a vengeance, in the London Times, freshly boned-up on tranny science, and boy are the trannies pissed off.

    I'm really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?

    Go for it, Martina.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    The Rene Richards Rooster has come home to roost. I bet Martina was one of its biggest supporters back in the day.
    , @Anonymous
    Steve, I remember you once pointed out that Martina said that grunting in tennis is unfair. It’s nice to see someone sticking up for fairness.
  18. Ryan Adams was such a soy-boy loser that he actually walked off stage when hecklers would ask him to play Summer of ’69. When they kept doing it, he WENT INTO THERAPY.

    So I’m not surprised he’s a jerk. What I am surprised about is that he bagged Mandy Moore.

    Bryan Adams, by all accounts, is a total bro.

  19. Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn’t shut up about the song “Run For Your Life”.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    She gave Maxwell's Silver Hammer a pass, eh?
    , @Xenophon Hendrix
    Why do people assume that an artistic persona is meant to be autobiographical or laudable? Did they assume Roger Miller was hobo, David Byrne a serial murderer, or David Bowie an astronaut? (Well, maybe that last one.)
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Look at the lyrics on bridge on "It's Getting Better all the Time," or all of "You Can't Do That." Lennon acknowledged his nasty streak, although frankly, it was more interesting than the phony-baloney luvvie-duvvie rubbish he later wrote for Yoko. More convincing, certainly.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Big Al, You "went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music"... hoping your date would find that laudable and come across later. Right?
    , @SND
    I especially like Norwegian Wood. He meets a girl who invites him up to her apartment. He waits "biding my time drinking her wine" but it turns out she won't sleep with him. So when he wakes up & she's gone to work he, of course, lights her apartment on fire. "Isn't it good, Norwegian wood."
    , @Allen
    I've seen that one singled out before too, but ironically the objectionable lyrics in Run For Your Life, "I'd rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man" are lifted from an Elvis song called Let's Play House
  20. “I can’t say I’ll miss his songs because the only thing I know about Ryan Adams is that I’m not only oldster to get him confused with 1980s power balladeer Brian Adams, and that that peeves him no end.”

    Uh, 1980s AND 1990s power balladeer, Steve.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  21. In another story I read about Ryan Adams’ transgressions his ex-wife cited — as an example of the psychological abuse she endured — his informing her that she wasn’t a real musician because she couldn’t play any musical instruments.

    Apparently in her book, that constituted psychological abuse. How often did she expect him to lie to her about her talents?

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Ryan Adams’ transgressions against his ex-wife also include not furthering her career after she says she married him for that purpose.
    , @Abe

    In another story I read about Ryan Adams’ transgressions his ex-wife cited — as an example of the psychological abuse she endured — his informing her that she wasn’t a real musician because she couldn’t play any musical instruments.
     
    Toxic princess-ity.
  22. @Anon
    OT

    Martina Navratilova noticed something about transsexual athletes and wrote about it today.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x

    Last December she made a hasty remark on Twitter and was upbraided by the tranny community and its allies. "You need to study up on the science!" She took that to heart, provisionally apologized, and hit the books.

    Today she returned, with a vengeance, in the London Times, freshly boned-up on tranny science, and boy are the trannies pissed off.

    I'm really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?

    Martina has always been blunt about speaking her mind and at this point in her life, I don’t know that she will back down. I don’t think the powers that be in pro tennis have the power and clout to unperson her either. My money would be on her winning.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Martina has been known to win before:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1289232115417

    , @Steve Sailer
    Martina has been known to win before:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1289232115417

  23. @Steve Sailer
    Go for it, Martina.

    The Rene Richards Rooster has come home to roost. I bet Martina was one of its biggest supporters back in the day.

  24. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:

    This is beyond ridiculous. This specific story has given me a revelation that a lot of #metoo is not what it seems.

    First off, let’s look at the Roy Moore case. He claims to have never met 9 women that the smear firm hired to accuse him. There is a clear political motive to attack Mr. Moore in such a way. What if there were other motives for rich producers to go after artists? Randy Quaid and his wife tell a tale of a director/producer who envied their home so he forged documents to make it his home and kick them out. The Quaids say there is a phenomenon of Star Whackers who take down famous people (by violence, fraud, or smear) in order to profit. If you watch enough of Randy Quaid’s videos, you may agree that his sometimes bizarre behavior is an attempt to get noticed so people will hear their story.

    I absolutely believe the Quaids. Whoever has set out to steal their fortune is probably employing a Mossad offshoot like Black Cube just as Harvey Weinstein used them to attack and intimidate his rape victims.

    There are way worse things going on in show business other than a hipster balladeer creeping on his backup band. Give me a break. Some rich, powerful person ordered this hit piece for their own reasons.

    Steve, have you watched the docu-series The Lobby? It’s about AIPAC. Watch it, and understand the power they wield is terrifying. The “civilian” intel agencies based in Israel are equipped to do just about anything.

    • Replies: @Thea
    The lesson I learned from meToo is that every actress on the silver screen or TV got there from putting out on the casting couch.

    Doubtless that’s not the impression they wanted but that is essentially what they have all admitted.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Quaid's story seems rather far-fetched and Quaid is reputed to have some screws loose. Then again, maybe that's just the kind of person a criminal would target. I'm not saying I believe him.

    There is a notorious set of cases in Nevada in which old people were made wards of the court and systematically stripped of their assets by a gang of thieves who were assisted by court officers (including judges).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfqf4LqwSVo

    Some of these evil swine have been convicted, but the ring-leaders (who appear to have political protection) have so far been untouched.
  25. @TheBoom

    After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.
     
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    Actually, Richard was said to be terribly controlling of Karen, and her anorexia may have been the result.

    Meanwhile, the radio still plays tracks off Thriller and Off the Wall. Good songs, I’ll grant you.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    Do you have any information on the proposition that Richard was very controlling of Karen?

    This alpha white male loves him some Carpenters.
  26. @Barnard
    Martina has always been blunt about speaking her mind and at this point in her life, I don't know that she will back down. I don't think the powers that be in pro tennis have the power and clout to unperson her either. My money would be on her winning.

    Martina has been known to win before:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1289232115417

  27. @Barnard
    Martina has always been blunt about speaking her mind and at this point in her life, I don't know that she will back down. I don't think the powers that be in pro tennis have the power and clout to unperson her either. My money would be on her winning.

    Martina has been known to win before:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1289232115417

  28. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Applying Steve's law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2018/05/02/Laura_Snapes,_L.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=4a8ce10a186564dbd60ac10bcf308fdd


    BINGO!

    Related to Severus Snape, perhaps?

  29. Some Russian director recently said that sexual harassment created civilization.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weinstein-scandal-konchalovsky-sexual-harrassment/28844963.html

  30. @black sea
    In another story I read about Ryan Adams' transgressions his ex-wife cited -- as an example of the psychological abuse she endured -- his informing her that she wasn't a real musician because she couldn't play any musical instruments.

    Apparently in her book, that constituted psychological abuse. How often did she expect him to lie to her about her talents?

    Ryan Adams’ transgressions against his ex-wife also include not furthering her career after she says she married him for that purpose.

    • LOL: Nathan
    • Replies: @Thea
    According to one article, his main crime was writing songs with Moore then recording them with other **female** musicians. Ouch! That had to hurt but misogyny can’t have been the cause.
  31. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    Maybe the Archies are acceptable. They were a cartoon band. I hope one of the voice actors didn’t neglect to call a woman when he said he would.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I have a whole Archies greatest hits album, one of my secret guilty pleasures.

    A non cartoon version of the band appeared on Bandstand and other venues.

    Three was real songwriting talent behind the Arches and Wreaking Crew-level studio musicians.
  32. @anon
    From the article:

    His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”. When the musician Phoebe Bridgers began a relationship with Adams after he offered to mentor her – at the time he was 40, she 20 – she said he quickly became emotionally abusive and manipulative, “threatening suicide” if she didn’t reply to his texts immediately.
     
    So wait a minute. He didn't rape anybody or molest anybody? He was just sort of a prick? That gets you MeTooed now?

    I would be interested to know how he psychologically abuses a woman who is much more famous than he is. Probably richer too. And while I haven't seen her for awhile, I seem to recall that, at the time she was famous, she was attractive enough that she could have had her pick of men. So she wasn't exactly helpless here. I mean, it would be one thing if he was physically abusive. But she doesn't seem to allege that.

    And obviously, threatening to kill yourself for attention is pretty crappy, but is it possible he genuinely was suicidal? I'm sure it's no fun to put up with that, but it doesn't seem like something you ought to punish him for, if he really was suicidal.

    I suppose it's possible he did worse stuff, but if so, why didn't the article mention it?

    Dark times.

    Yeah, but if she said, “Go ahead, loser!” she could be the next Michelle Carter.

  33. There is no end to the ways in which women are the eternal enemy of the White beta male. There is nothing women hate more.

    Pop music is filled with Alpha makes behaving badly. Don Henly being a spectacular example. His 16 year old girlfriend overdosing. Iggy Pop and his very underage girlfriends.

    Ok because they are Alphas. Women’s double standards beat madonna/whore by a mile.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    You might try a new idea. I have been reading how you beat the alpha/beta notion to death for decades. Trust me. There are other ideas.
    , @Pat Boyle
    You might try a new idea. I have been reading how you beat the alpha/beta notion to death for decades. Trust me. There are other ideas.
    , @Mark G.
    I had a friend who was the cousin of one of Iggy Pop's girl friends. She said while on tour with him, his first goal when reaching every town was to look for the local drug dealer. One time David Bowie toured with Iggy as his keyboard player. While Iggy was going off looking for drugs, she said Bowie would go to the nearest bar and start hitting on the hottest black girl at the bar.
  34. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    A lot more to Lawrence Welk than meets the eye. The truth slips through in this accordion version of One Toke Over the Line.

    • Replies: @Gringo
    While grandparents listened to Lawrence Welk, his playlist included some songs their grandchildren listened to. One Toke Over the Line is far from the only example. Perhaps Lawrence Welk helped inspire younger accordionists like Wierd Al Yankovic or Brave Combo.
  35. @Bill P
    "Beta male misogyny"

    Laura Snapes is truly nasty. That is downright mean. But funny.

    I'd like to see her insult a rap "artist" like that -- too bad she won't. She knows full well she'd end up in the ER. But that's kind of the point, right? She can troll Ryan Adams all she wants and enjoy the smug satisfaction of it without ever having to worry about getting her teeth fixed afterward.

    And, in the meanwhile, the girls who ran off to get knocked up by ISIS jihadis are all now begging to be allowed to come back home because they were just innocent, brainwashed victims.

    Never mind all that: Ryan Adams and his ilk are the real monsters in our society, and they must be deeply humiliated for... something.

    And, in the meanwhile, the girls who ran off to get knocked up by ISIS jihadis are all now begging to be allowed to come back home because they were just innocent, brainwashed victims

    One of them, admits she was fine with beheading the Kafir because it is approved by Islam.

    But soon these “Brits” won’t be begging, they will be demanding. And then they will be suing and will there ever be plenty of human rights organizations taking up for them! No question. And then they will win and be given free public housing, free medical care etc. The West is suicidal.

  36. Man, it must cut like a knife to be confused with a better musician ….

    • Replies: @Pontius
    This song is actually about a girlfriend with a horrible flatulence problem.
  37. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    She gave Maxwell’s Silver Hammer a pass, eh?

    • Replies: @Flip
    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
    And I'm doing the best that I can
  38. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT


    The Law of Return Is Suicidal
    [Haaretz]
    Severe overcrowding, coupled with a horrifically high birthrate, is already set to turn Israel into a living hell that will only get worse with an influx of Jewish immigrants

     

    Gee, how do you say ‘Living Space’ in Yiddish?

  39. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    You friend’s mom was an Andrews sister?

  40. Ms. Snapes should give the songs “Cave Bitch” and “Horny lil’ Devil” by Ice Cube a good listen …..two standouts from his catalog. Of course , the liberal justice meters fail them when dealing with certain demographics

  41. @Anon
    OT

    Martina Navratilova noticed something about transsexual athletes and wrote about it today.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x

    Last December she made a hasty remark on Twitter and was upbraided by the tranny community and its allies. "You need to study up on the science!" She took that to heart, provisionally apologized, and hit the books.

    Today she returned, with a vengeance, in the London Times, freshly boned-up on tranny science, and boy are the trannies pissed off.

    I'm really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?

    A tennis player who is used to winning won’t back down just because she lost the first set.

  42. Is there a guy out there who hasn’t, at one time or another, had this as his anthem?

  43. @Anon
    You're telling me that someone's ex-spouse is giving a negative characterization of them? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to learn of these developments. We must warn others so he doesn't get the chance to do it again.

    But until that day, here’s one with lyrics that even Sir Mick thinks might have been a little inappropriate:
     
    I thought it was going to be Under My Thumb.

    BTW I don't know much about Ryan Adams, but he had a good song in This is 40, before Judd Apatow became 100% pozzed (he was only 85% pozzed back then).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSyvZXtA0-w

    I always thought Stray Cat Blues was the most problematic of the Rolling Stone songs

    • Replies: @reactionry
    "Problematic" indeed, those Stray Cat Blues -

    "I can see that you're fifteen years old
    No I don't want your I.D.
    And I've seen that you're so far from home
    But it's no hanging matter
    It's no capital crime"

    Barring statutes of limitations on statutory rape, is it time to reenlist Obama and Clinton's Loretta "Capitol Crime" Lynch*?

    Also see somewhat androgynous stray tom cats:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEtbfzMLVWU


    * said by some deplorable racists to be Bill's "Sticky Situation Tarmac Baby"
  44. So he was a creepy orbiter who used manipulation and promises of career advancement to bag more than his share? BFD. This could backfire if the press tries to make Adams into another Weinstein. Soy boys would be wise to view this as a cautionary tale and reconsider their political leanings.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Soy boys are already suffering from chronic Stockholm syndrome. This may only make them redouble their condemnation of the transgressor. Still, here's hoping that some wake up.
  45. @Anonymous
    This is beyond ridiculous. This specific story has given me a revelation that a lot of #metoo is not what it seems.

    First off, let's look at the Roy Moore case. He claims to have never met 9 women that the smear firm hired to accuse him. There is a clear political motive to attack Mr. Moore in such a way. What if there were other motives for rich producers to go after artists? Randy Quaid and his wife tell a tale of a director/producer who envied their home so he forged documents to make it his home and kick them out. The Quaids say there is a phenomenon of Star Whackers who take down famous people (by violence, fraud, or smear) in order to profit. If you watch enough of Randy Quaid's videos, you may agree that his sometimes bizarre behavior is an attempt to get noticed so people will hear their story.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zr7pwUFb4lE

    I absolutely believe the Quaids. Whoever has set out to steal their fortune is probably employing a Mossad offshoot like Black Cube just as Harvey Weinstein used them to attack and intimidate his rape victims.

    There are way worse things going on in show business other than a hipster balladeer creeping on his backup band. Give me a break. Some rich, powerful person ordered this hit piece for their own reasons.

    Steve, have you watched the docu-series The Lobby? It's about AIPAC. Watch it, and understand the power they wield is terrifying. The "civilian" intel agencies based in Israel are equipped to do just about anything.

    The lesson I learned from meToo is that every actress on the silver screen or TV got there from putting out on the casting couch.

    Doubtless that’s not the impression they wanted but that is essentially what they have all admitted.

    • Agree: reactionry, Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I said this on another posting a few weeks back, but my takeaway is that the entirety of the modern entertainment industry seems to be about the sexual manipulation of young men and women. Art and creativity? Bah! It's all about getting the young and virile to please you for small money and empty promises.
  46. @TheBoom
    Maybe the Archies are acceptable. They were a cartoon band. I hope one of the voice actors didn't neglect to call a woman when he said he would.

    I have a whole Archies greatest hits album, one of my secret guilty pleasures.

    A non cartoon version of the band appeared on Bandstand and other venues.

    Three was real songwriting talent behind the Arches and Wreaking Crew-level studio musicians.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I've forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.
    , @Anonymous
    The Archies were as Lester Bangs said, more of a real band than some real bands.

    I didn't find bangs' quote, but from
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/where-punk-rock-begins

    Amanda Petrusich

    On James Jewell Osterberg, better known as Iggy Pop, who was in a band called the Iguanas with guitar repair guru Dan Erlewine and whom both of rock's regnant princesses have admitted they really wanted to F Big Ig but didn't (BigLMM because she doesn't copulate with carnivores, D because she was field married to Chris)...

    After a couple of
    minutes, you can see on Iggy’s face that he has gone somewhere else. He starts doing a little jig, jutting out his buttocks while bending his knees inward, hopping, smashing his palms together in a kind of frantic, childlike clap. It’s a move that makes almost no physiological sense, but there is nonetheless real poetry to it. Soon, he falls into the crowd. The rock critic Lester Bangs, in his essay “Of Pop and Pies and Fun,” presents Iggy’s point of view in moments like this: “ ‘See, this is all a sham, this whole show and all its flood-lit, drug-jacked, realer-than-life trappings, and the fact that you are out there and I am up here means not the slightest thing.’ ” The notional difference between performer and spectator—Iggy disregarded it entirely, if he was aware of it at all. Here, in my mind, is where punk rock begins.

    The performance—and it is pure theatre—goes on for a while. He’s on the stage, he’s off the stage, he’s barking, he’s curling up. At other shows, during other songs, he would dig into the skin of his chest with bits of broken glass, divining little rivers of blood, crimson streaks that inched down his torso like chocolate syrup on a sundae. He was known to barf on a crowd from time to time. Sometimes, he’d take his dick out and gently set it atop a speaker. (“It was just vibrating around. He was very well endowed,” Steve Harris, the former vice-president of Elektra Records, recalls in “Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk,” by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain.) Iggy has since talked about those instances as acts of true reconciliation, in which the physical and the spiritual aligned, briefly: “Maybe you’ll be playing a tune and you really want to express the truth. And the truth of that moment was that I ought to be cut.”
     

    Punk, maybe more than any other genre, is contingent upon the body. Ideologically, it requires the actualization—the making real—of some otherwise unreachable pain. Other punk performers had incorporated a kind of aestheticized violence (and self-violence, especially) into their acts before, and punk fans often turned to decorative mutilation as catharsis, but I can’t recall many other artists whose physical sacrifice has felt quite as generative or as essential or as giving as Iggy’s. Maybe accentuating his body—and its frailties—was just another way in which he dismantled the boundaries between himself and his audience. The desecration of his corporeal self was so essential to his bond with his listeners; as he writhes, they reach for him.

    I cannot imagine how dangerous that dynamic must have seemed forty-odd years ago—“dangerous,” even, feels like too timid a word. When the Stooges released their eponymous début, in the summer of 1969, the most popular song in America was “Sugar, Sugar” by the Archies, a fake garage band composed of comic-book characters. (Their songs were recorded by a rotating coterie of studio musicians; a cardboard 45 of the song could be popped directly out of the backs of boxes of Super Sugar Crisp cereal.)

    That “Sugar, Sugar” and a jam like the Stooges’ “I Wanna Be Your Dog” were once adjacent—that they shared a cultural moment, occupied the same air—feels inconceivable to me now. “I just can't believe the loveliness of loving you” is how the first verse of “Sugar, Sugar” goes. On “I Wanna Be Your Dog,” John Cale plays a single shrill note on the piano over and over again for three minutes while Iggy repeats the pleading in the song’s title: “And now I wanna be your dog, now I wanna be your dog.” As a declaration of desire, it’s subversive in any context: This relationship is not equitable! Let me serve you.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

    The Archies have updated their image-to 1978. (Forbes magazine did a similar thing with Carly Fiorina in the nineties, only they didn't have Carly and the boys dress up the whole way. )

    https://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/2017/12/archie-parallel-lines-cover.jpg?itok=MPmWXYp0
  47. The Ryan Adams allegations are the tip of an indie-music iceberg

    Laura Snapes

    So-called alternative musicians pride themselves on being more enlightened than their rock counterparts, but in my years of writing about them, I have found no end of ‘beta male misogyny’

    Thu 14 Feb 2019 12.07 EST

    Ryan Adams … many musicians are insulated by the myth of the unbridled male genius.

    I wish I could say I was surprised by the New York Times report detailing allegations that the singer-songwriter Ryan Adams offered to mentor young women, before pursuing them sexually and turning nasty after they turned him down. His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”.

    Do these women really not know that this floppy nerd first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls’ pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?

    What do they think he means when he says “I will mentor you for your career in the back room of my tour bus tonight?”

    He seems sufficiently chastened by the prevailing feminist orthodoxy that he doesn’t feel self-possessed enough to make direct passes at women as some kind of indie rock star. Let that sink in.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    You're asking women to think logically. That's your first mistake.
    , @Liberty Mike
    Do you have any irrefutable evidence that he "first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls' pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?"
  48. @Anon
    I have a whole Archies greatest hits album, one of my secret guilty pleasures.

    A non cartoon version of the band appeared on Bandstand and other venues.

    Three was real songwriting talent behind the Arches and Wreaking Crew-level studio musicians.

    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I’ve forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.

    • Replies: @poolside

    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I’ve forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.
     
    Andy Kim ... "Rock Me Gently."
  49. We sometimes leave the closed captioning on our TV so we don’t wake the kids. So we were watching a Stones concert, and when they played “Brown Sugar” my wife was like, “Holy Crap, I had no idea!”

  50. @The Alarmist
    She gave Maxwell's Silver Hammer a pass, eh?

    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I’m changing my scene
    And I’m doing the best that I can

    • Replies: @ziel
    Probably a Lennon interjection. Prior to Yoko, there really was a lot of cross-contributing in Lennon-McCartney songs, and this definitely sounds like a Lennon contribution to that otherwise very McCarney-esque rocker, along with the "It can't get no worse.." refrain.
    , @ziel
    Probably a Lennon interjection. Prior to Yoko, there really was a lot of cross-contributing in Lennon-McCartney songs, and this definitely sounds like a Lennon contribution to that otherwise very McCarney-esque rocker, along with the "It can't get no worse.." refrain.
    , @reactionry
    #memasochistictoo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fowz3bhfI
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Eh, you got there first.
  51. @Bill P
    "Beta male misogyny"

    Laura Snapes is truly nasty. That is downright mean. But funny.

    I'd like to see her insult a rap "artist" like that -- too bad she won't. She knows full well she'd end up in the ER. But that's kind of the point, right? She can troll Ryan Adams all she wants and enjoy the smug satisfaction of it without ever having to worry about getting her teeth fixed afterward.

    And, in the meanwhile, the girls who ran off to get knocked up by ISIS jihadis are all now begging to be allowed to come back home because they were just innocent, brainwashed victims.

    Never mind all that: Ryan Adams and his ilk are the real monsters in our society, and they must be deeply humiliated for... something.

    AGREE and LOL! Thanks for pointing out the salient facts of feminist hypocrisy which always go unnoticed or conveniently ignored by the self-appointed intellectual glitterati. My high school English teachers would have failed me for writing illogical tripe like Mizzzzzzzzz Snapes. And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy’s “We are Woman!” On second thought “regression” is more apt.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).
     
    What did they do with gusto? Fail you, or write similar crap themselves?

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy’s “We are Woman!” On second thought “regression” is more apt.
     
    Regression to the Mean Girl.
  52. @TheBoom
    Ryan Adams’ transgressions against his ex-wife also include not furthering her career after she says she married him for that purpose.

    According to one article, his main crime was writing songs with Moore then recording them with other **female** musicians. Ouch! That had to hurt but misogyny can’t have been the cause.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I've forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.

    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I’ve forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.

    Andy Kim … “Rock Me Gently.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently" is the best Neil Diamond song that Neil Diamond didn't do.
  54. In 1976 I was at a Jimmy Ruffin concert at Circle Star where he got angry the audience was asking him to do other black artists’ songs. He did “Love Won’t Let Me Wait,” then said, “now I’m gonna do my own damn stuff.”

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    Would you want to have to do a Major Harris' tune at your concert?
  55. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    Why do people assume that an artistic persona is meant to be autobiographical or laudable? Did they assume Roger Miller was hobo, David Byrne a serial murderer, or David Bowie an astronaut? (Well, maybe that last one.)

  56. Further proof, as if any was needed, that nature despises betas.

  57. @poolside

    The Lebanese-Canadian guy in The Archies (whose name I’ve forgotten) wrote another all time great pop tune later as a solo artist.
     
    Andy Kim ... "Rock Me Gently."

    Thanks. Andy Kim’s “Rock Me Gently” is the best Neil Diamond song that Neil Diamond didn’t do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Kim is still a distant second to Paul Anka for Levantine-Canadian music celebrities.

    Unlike Elizabeth Warren, he might get away with claiming First Nation blood:

    http://cmw.net/wp-content/uploads/andy-kim-header2.jpg

    He went through a wannabe WASP phase:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMZhMcK9gy8

    (His nose seems narrower in his later pictures.)


    And just last year, Andy Kim got Paul Simoned:

    https://i.nj.com/resizer/uHqA7W5VLs3MgqJYP0iCsapMlMU=/600x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-advancelocal/public/4Y6XTXLZHJCW5E4MVVJOTZG26M.JPG

    https://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/width600/img/camden_impact/photo/screen-shot-2018-09-19-at-30353-pmpng-a2dce4f9cb11557e.png

  58. I’m loving it; all these left-wing SJW men getting #MeTooed when the Left thought it would be a way to bring down Trump supporters. Turns out the vast majority of big named men acting inappropriately towards women were….creepy loser lefty men who only got pussy from their jobs.

    Now I know the entire #MeToo case against Adams is laughable. Basically, a few musician chicks were upset that he made passes at them when they were supposed to be talking about music—and many of them accepted; so I guess females don’t have agency and male breeding is not allowed.

    And then they got his ex-wife Mandy Moore was bitching about him. Because ex-wives are so reliably unbiased and fair-minded in their criticism of former spouses.

    The past part is how Moore talked about him putting down her music because she couldn’t play an instrument and her stuff was just pop garble. Yeah, honey, he’s right; you’re a “musician” who can’t play music and you just sing what other people wrote and produced for you. She asserts that she’ll overcome his meanness and start making music again. Honey, the only reason your record sold was because you were a hot teen/20 something actress whose name was known; you’re now past your salad days and you’re not big with the teens anymore. Your music career is over.

    As I said, I’m loving this all. Burn Lefties Burn!

  59. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The Ryan Adams allegations are the tip of an indie-music iceberg

    Laura Snapes

    So-called alternative musicians pride themselves on being more enlightened than their rock counterparts, but in my years of writing about them, I have found no end of ‘beta male misogyny’

    Thu 14 Feb 2019 12.07 EST

    Ryan Adams … many musicians are insulated by the myth of the unbridled male genius.

    I wish I could say I was surprised by the New York Times report detailing allegations that the singer-songwriter Ryan Adams offered to mentor young women, before pursuing them sexually and turning nasty after they turned him down. His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”.
     
    Do these women really not know that this floppy nerd first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls' pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?

    What do they think he means when he says "I will mentor you for your career in the back room of my tour bus tonight?"

    He seems sufficiently chastened by the prevailing feminist orthodoxy that he doesn't feel self-possessed enough to make direct passes at women as some kind of indie rock star. Let that sink in.

    You’re asking women to think logically. That’s your first mistake.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    No need for the adverb.
  60. @MarcB.
    So he was a creepy orbiter who used manipulation and promises of career advancement to bag more than his share? BFD. This could backfire if the press tries to make Adams into another Weinstein. Soy boys would be wise to view this as a cautionary tale and reconsider their political leanings.

    Soy boys are already suffering from chronic Stockholm syndrome. This may only make them redouble their condemnation of the transgressor. Still, here’s hoping that some wake up.

  61. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Applying Steve's law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2018/05/02/Laura_Snapes,_L.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=4a8ce10a186564dbd60ac10bcf308fdd


    BINGO!

    Nothing says Feminist with a capital F like not bothering to wash or comb your hair before getting your picture taken.

  62. Anon[913] • Disclaimer says:

    There are exactly two good songs (I’m referring to tunes, not lyrics-his lyrics are nothing special) that Adams has come up with in his entire career. The rest of his stuff is godawful boring junk. He has produced an astonishing pile of utter dreck for someone who’s been around so long. The two good songs are these:

    In the second video, Adams blathers on like a moron just before and after he sings, but his singing and the song are amazing. But it’s as if his real personality is totally detached from his artistic performace and has no emotional connection to it.

    • Replies: @Charles_Atlanta
    Personally, I like his Whiskeytown stuff a lot. Unfortunately, the rest of his career felt like watered down Whiskeytown to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jziBKTgLepM
  63. @Flip
    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
    And I'm doing the best that I can

    Probably a Lennon interjection. Prior to Yoko, there really was a lot of cross-contributing in Lennon-McCartney songs, and this definitely sounds like a Lennon contribution to that otherwise very McCarney-esque rocker, along with the “It can’t get no worse..” refrain.

  64. @Flip
    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
    And I'm doing the best that I can

    Probably a Lennon interjection. Prior to Yoko, there really was a lot of cross-contributing in Lennon-McCartney songs, and this definitely sounds like a Lennon contribution to that otherwise very McCarney-esque rocker, along with the “It can’t get no worse..” refrain.

  65. @Anon
    You're telling me that someone's ex-spouse is giving a negative characterization of them? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to learn of these developments. We must warn others so he doesn't get the chance to do it again.

    But until that day, here’s one with lyrics that even Sir Mick thinks might have been a little inappropriate:
     
    I thought it was going to be Under My Thumb.

    BTW I don't know much about Ryan Adams, but he had a good song in This is 40, before Judd Apatow became 100% pozzed (he was only 85% pozzed back then).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSyvZXtA0-w

    Bacchanalian Belushi-Blutarksy Bashes Instrumentality Of Beta Male Troubadour:

    • Replies: @tyrone
    That's why you should always carry a knife.
    , @Svigor
    Troubadour looks an awful lot like a young Francesco Quinn.
  66. @Bubba
    AGREE and LOL! Thanks for pointing out the salient facts of feminist hypocrisy which always go unnoticed or conveniently ignored by the self-appointed intellectual glitterati. My high school English teachers would have failed me for writing illogical tripe like Mizzzzzzzzz Snapes. And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy's "We are Woman!" On second thought "regression" is more apt.

    And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).

    What did they do with gusto? Fail you, or write similar crap themselves?

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy’s “We are Woman!” On second thought “regression” is more apt.

    Regression to the Mean Girl.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    [mostly OT]

    Mean Girls & A Dead Woman

    De gust[o]bus non est disputandum?

    Also see massive immigration: Regression To The Mean Streets

    See also Regression To The Greenwich [Village] Mean Time and Bobby Frosty's "Mending Wall" -
    Something Marxist there is that does so love a wall,
    Like the Berlin Wall and this-

    From "Perjury - The Hiss-Chambers Case" by Allen Weinstein, bottom of page 311:
    " * During the 1940s, after he began working for Time, Chambers told others on the magazine that [Juliette] Poyntz had been killed and buried behind a brick wall in a Greenwich Village house."

    (on a lighter note see again "My little horse must think it queer/ To see the Village People here)

    GMTA - Great Minds' T & A? Grinder Means Tops & A**? Greek Minds Toga A**?
    Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" and ballistic Lana Clarkson misogyny.

    , @Bubba
    LOL - I feel like you were one of them. :-) They certainly never wrote crap like I did (and still do). Yes, you are correct (as always) Reg. I appreciate the correction and pointing out my writing skills are still atrocious and unclear nearly 40 years later. That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.
  67. @black sea
    In another story I read about Ryan Adams' transgressions his ex-wife cited -- as an example of the psychological abuse she endured -- his informing her that she wasn't a real musician because she couldn't play any musical instruments.

    Apparently in her book, that constituted psychological abuse. How often did she expect him to lie to her about her talents?

    In another story I read about Ryan Adams’ transgressions his ex-wife cited — as an example of the psychological abuse she endured — his informing her that she wasn’t a real musician because she couldn’t play any musical instruments.

    Toxic princess-ity.

  68. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    Note the concept creep here: “psychological abuse.” First it started with domestic violence, the battered woman who gets both her eyes blackened because she doesn’t have fresh ice ready for husband’s scotch when he gets home at night. Fair enough, that sounds repellent (if a bit melodramatic and unusual), everybody opposes it. Gradually it gets stretched to include every single heated argument where an object gets thrown or somebody gets shoved, however murky the actual facts; women are still always the victims, society is still largely on board.

    Now any sort of criticism or controlling behavior or domestic strife in general is “abuse.” By that logic half the guys I know (at least!) are “abused” by their wives. And everything from broken bones to a sharp word gets conflated together under the umbrella term “abusive.” It’s like if we used the term “violent” to describe everything from getting in a fight with your sibling at age 9 to Ted Bundy.

    If I ever write a book about the social upheavals in the late 2010s I already know what I call it: “The Death of Nuance.”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  69. @Steve Sailer
    Go for it, Martina.

    Steve, I remember you once pointed out that Martina said that grunting in tennis is unfair. It’s nice to see someone sticking up for fairness.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  70. “Every ten years or so, (((Big Media))) needs to pick up some small crappy little )))celeb((( and throw him against the wall, just to show the world #MeToo perps aren’t all Jewish, black, or gay.”

  71. Anon[913] • Disclaimer says:

    If you read the New York Times article about Adams’ behavior, it’s quite plain he has borderline personality disorder. People with that problem are terrified of being abandoned, and they’re controlling because they’re terrified of this. You don’t break up with a borderline easily because they’ll go bananas. Borderlines classify other people as good or evil–they don’t see shades of gray–and they’ll reclassify you from one to the other at the slightest provocation. They also tend to abuse drugs or alcohol, and Adams has done that.

    It’s been known for many years that Adams has psychiatric problems. Borderlines have always been more common in the entertainment industry.

  72. I find Mandy Moore’s honesty refreshing: I was fucking him so he’d make me famous and he never made me famous. I even married that guy, WTF.

    • LOL: Kylie, Clyde
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    I must say I thought Mandy Moore was much older, if not deceased - but I rooted through the dusty drawers of memory and found I was confusing her with Mandy Miller - a musical genius even aged 12 and still with us today.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Rh9zRdXxA

    , @Clyde

    I find Mandy Moore’s honesty refreshing: I was fucking him so he’d make me famous and he never made me famous. I even married that guy, WTF.
     
    Rephrased>>> "I gave him eight years of pussy access and in return I got jackshit, or close to it" "One of those Nigerian Bros I've been reading about could have done more for me."
  73. @Marty
    In 1976 I was at a Jimmy Ruffin concert at Circle Star where he got angry the audience was asking him to do other black artists' songs. He did "Love Won't Let Me Wait," then said, "now I'm gonna do my own damn stuff."

    Would you want to have to do a Major Harris’ tune at your concert?

  74. @Flip
    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
    And I'm doing the best that I can

    #memasochistictoo

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    https://youtu.be/9D2A32KUTq0
  75. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The Ryan Adams allegations are the tip of an indie-music iceberg

    Laura Snapes

    So-called alternative musicians pride themselves on being more enlightened than their rock counterparts, but in my years of writing about them, I have found no end of ‘beta male misogyny’

    Thu 14 Feb 2019 12.07 EST

    Ryan Adams … many musicians are insulated by the myth of the unbridled male genius.

    I wish I could say I was surprised by the New York Times report detailing allegations that the singer-songwriter Ryan Adams offered to mentor young women, before pursuing them sexually and turning nasty after they turned him down. His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”.
     
    Do these women really not know that this floppy nerd first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls' pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?

    What do they think he means when he says "I will mentor you for your career in the back room of my tour bus tonight?"

    He seems sufficiently chastened by the prevailing feminist orthodoxy that he doesn't feel self-possessed enough to make direct passes at women as some kind of indie rock star. Let that sink in.

    Do you have any irrefutable evidence that he “first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls’ pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?”

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Do you have any irrefutable evidence that he “first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls’ pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?”
     
    Preliminary tests indicate that in spite of his androgynous appearance young Master Adams indeed has the XY chromosome.
  76. @New Dealer
    A lot more to Lawrence Welk than meets the eye. The truth slips through in this accordion version of One Toke Over the Line.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE

    While grandparents listened to Lawrence Welk, his playlist included some songs their grandchildren listened to. One Toke Over the Line is far from the only example. Perhaps Lawrence Welk helped inspire younger accordionists like Wierd Al Yankovic or Brave Combo.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently" is the best Neil Diamond song that Neil Diamond didn't do.

    Kim is still a distant second to Paul Anka for Levantine-Canadian music celebrities.

    Unlike Elizabeth Warren, he might get away with claiming First Nation blood:


    He went through a wannabe WASP phase:

    (His nose seems narrower in his later pictures.)

    And just last year, Andy Kim got Paul Simoned:

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Strong stench of racism coming from that ad (my pet insult for east Asians is "fish face").
  78. @Rosamond Vincy
    Actually, Richard was said to be terribly controlling of Karen, and her anorexia may have been the result.

    Meanwhile, the radio still plays tracks off Thriller and Off the Wall. Good songs, I'll grant you.

    Do you have any information on the proposition that Richard was very controlling of Karen?

    This alpha white male loves him some Carpenters.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I loved them too. Close to You was one of my favorite albums.
    A celebrity gossip site (I know, I know) claimed that he was verbally abusive backstage when they performed on the Carol Burnett show. So, not substantiated at all, and since she was a legal adult, it's not like she was a Cowsill trapped with a kiddie-bashing dad.
    , @Liberty Mike
    Thank you.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Richard was domineering. It wouldn't surprise me if Karen was either.

    Sure, if I had to bet who might have been more likely to have been controlling, I would go with Richard simply because he was the composer, the orchestrator, the producer, etc.

    What Richard did with Close to You was nothing less than brilliant.

    Peeps should not forget that Karen was an awesome percussionist in addition to being blessed with one of the best female pop voices of all time.
  79. After #MeToo comes for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.

    I feel a game show coming on.

    We Now Know It’s Ungood Because

    Emcee plays a clip from a formerly innocous ditty and contestants come up with reasons why its wrong. Audience says …. Not sensitive to adolescents who may someday decide to transgender.

  80. @Larry, San Francisco
    I always thought Stray Cat Blues was the most problematic of the Rolling Stone songs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBaU6l1Lm8

    “Problematic” indeed, those Stray Cat Blues –

    “I can see that you’re fifteen years old
    No I don’t want your I.D.
    And I’ve seen that you’re so far from home
    But it’s no hanging matter
    It’s no capital crime”

    Barring statutes of limitations on statutory rape, is it time to reenlist Obama and Clinton’s Loretta “Capitol Crime” Lynch*?

    Also see somewhat androgynous stray tom cats:

    * said by some deplorable racists to be Bill’s “Sticky Situation Tarmac Baby”

  81. @Svigor
    I find Mandy Moore's honesty refreshing: I was fucking him so he'd make me famous and he never made me famous. I even married that guy, WTF.

    I must say I thought Mandy Moore was much older, if not deceased – but I rooted through the dusty drawers of memory and found I was confusing her with Mandy Miller – a musical genius even aged 12 and still with us today.

    • Agree: Kaganovitch
  82. @Liberty Mike
    Do you have any information on the proposition that Richard was very controlling of Karen?

    This alpha white male loves him some Carpenters.

    I loved them too. Close to You was one of my favorite albums.
    A celebrity gossip site (I know, I know) claimed that he was verbally abusive backstage when they performed on the Carol Burnett show. So, not substantiated at all, and since she was a legal adult, it’s not like she was a Cowsill trapped with a kiddie-bashing dad.

  83. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    Look at the lyrics on bridge on “It’s Getting Better all the Time,” or all of “You Can’t Do That.” Lennon acknowledged his nasty streak, although frankly, it was more interesting than the phony-baloney luvvie-duvvie rubbish he later wrote for Yoko. More convincing, certainly.

  84. @Flip
    I used to be cruel to my woman
    I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
    Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene
    And I'm doing the best that I can

    Eh, you got there first.

    • Replies: @donut
    He should have tried beating that Japanese Ghoul's ass . But sadly she had him gelded .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4K07Kz7M8Q
  85. @Thea
    The lesson I learned from meToo is that every actress on the silver screen or TV got there from putting out on the casting couch.

    Doubtless that’s not the impression they wanted but that is essentially what they have all admitted.

    I said this on another posting a few weeks back, but my takeaway is that the entirety of the modern entertainment industry seems to be about the sexual manipulation of young men and women. Art and creativity? Bah! It’s all about getting the young and virile to please you for small money and empty promises.

    • Agree: Thea
  86. @Liberty Mike
    Do you have any information on the proposition that Richard was very controlling of Karen?

    This alpha white male loves him some Carpenters.

    Thank you.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Richard was domineering. It wouldn’t surprise me if Karen was either.

    Sure, if I had to bet who might have been more likely to have been controlling, I would go with Richard simply because he was the composer, the orchestrator, the producer, etc.

    What Richard did with Close to You was nothing less than brilliant.

    Peeps should not forget that Karen was an awesome percussionist in addition to being blessed with one of the best female pop voices of all time.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    wwebd said - I think the site Rosamond Vincy is referring to is Enty Lawyer (Crazy Days and Nights), which often says things that are completely and patently untrue about one set of celebrities, to avoid being sued for saying things that are completely true and damning, about another set of celebrities (in other words, Enty Lawyer holds itself out as a fiction site to avoid law suits)..

    Karen was more intense in every way than Jimi Hendrix, but she refused to dress like a psychedelic addled fool, and so the very few people - one in a thousand or less - who still give a fuck about who was cooler in the 1960s, often side with Jimi over Karen in their sad little attributions of coolness ---since such people are more likely to be totally down with psychedelic funk -than with clear musicianship ==== well, such people are likely to think about Jimi as some great musician, and are likely to overlook the fact that Jimi was a loser who never made it with the ladies until he got into the drug scene, and Karen was always, from the day she was born, a musician of genius.

    Just saying, feel free to disagree.
  87. @reactionry
    #memasochistictoo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fowz3bhfI

  88. @TheBoom

    After they come for the 1960s-1970s rockers, there won’t be anything left on the radio except old Carpenters songs.
     
    This might be a great opportunity for Lawrence Welk to make a comeback. Granted that long sets of only his orchestra and the Carpenters would strike the wrong chord with many boomers but times change.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    Rap stations are just lucky that rappers live such clean, woke lives that pound me too poses no threat.

    Hah! Excellent! That’s meme-worthy!

    And perhaps there is some subtle counter-signalling in all this #metoo business.

  89. Offhand, I don’t recall a single instance of a woman accused of being “psychologically abusive.”

    Clearly, this happens, and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if more women than men fall into this group. But it appears to be universally accepted, without a shred of evidence, that only men can be abusive, physically or psychologically.

  90. @Anon
    OT

    Martina Navratilova noticed something about transsexual athletes and wrote about it today.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3x

    Last December she made a hasty remark on Twitter and was upbraided by the tranny community and its allies. "You need to study up on the science!" She took that to heart, provisionally apologized, and hit the books.

    Today she returned, with a vengeance, in the London Times, freshly boned-up on tranny science, and boy are the trannies pissed off.

    I'm really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?

    “I’m really impressed that she survived one Twitter bullying and has come back for more. Is she the anti tranny athletics person who can get into the mainstream media and make the case?”

    Being of the persuasion and exceedingly mannish, she’s not exactly charging into battle unarmed.

  91. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Applying Steve's law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2018/05/02/Laura_Snapes,_L.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=4a8ce10a186564dbd60ac10bcf308fdd


    BINGO!

    Mike, and that is why the Makeup industry is so important.

  92. @Anonymous
    This is beyond ridiculous. This specific story has given me a revelation that a lot of #metoo is not what it seems.

    First off, let's look at the Roy Moore case. He claims to have never met 9 women that the smear firm hired to accuse him. There is a clear political motive to attack Mr. Moore in such a way. What if there were other motives for rich producers to go after artists? Randy Quaid and his wife tell a tale of a director/producer who envied their home so he forged documents to make it his home and kick them out. The Quaids say there is a phenomenon of Star Whackers who take down famous people (by violence, fraud, or smear) in order to profit. If you watch enough of Randy Quaid's videos, you may agree that his sometimes bizarre behavior is an attempt to get noticed so people will hear their story.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zr7pwUFb4lE

    I absolutely believe the Quaids. Whoever has set out to steal their fortune is probably employing a Mossad offshoot like Black Cube just as Harvey Weinstein used them to attack and intimidate his rape victims.

    There are way worse things going on in show business other than a hipster balladeer creeping on his backup band. Give me a break. Some rich, powerful person ordered this hit piece for their own reasons.

    Steve, have you watched the docu-series The Lobby? It's about AIPAC. Watch it, and understand the power they wield is terrifying. The "civilian" intel agencies based in Israel are equipped to do just about anything.

    Quaid’s story seems rather far-fetched and Quaid is reputed to have some screws loose. Then again, maybe that’s just the kind of person a criminal would target. I’m not saying I believe him.

    There is a notorious set of cases in Nevada in which old people were made wards of the court and systematically stripped of their assets by a gang of thieves who were assisted by court officers (including judges).

    Some of these evil swine have been convicted, but the ring-leaders (who appear to have political protection) have so far been untouched.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    There was also a very good article in the New Yorker about this:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights
  93. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Applying Steve's law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2018/05/02/Laura_Snapes,_L.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=4a8ce10a186564dbd60ac10bcf308fdd


    BINGO!

    She looks like Neil from The Young Ones

    “Vegetable rights and peace, man”

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    https://youtu.be/vc1ha6-H8rs
  94. @R.G. Camara
    You're asking women to think logically. That's your first mistake.

    No need for the adverb.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Sick burn. Threadwinner.
    , @Rosie

    No need for the adverb.
     
    Does your black boyfriend like it when you hate on other women, Kylie?

    Since you evidently think of yourself as an exception, hopefullly you can work out the implications of this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/business/dealbook/women-majority-of-us-law-students-first-time.html

  95. @Reg Cæsar

    And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).
     
    What did they do with gusto? Fail you, or write similar crap themselves?

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy’s “We are Woman!” On second thought “regression” is more apt.
     
    Regression to the Mean Girl.

    [mostly OT]

    Mean Girls & A Dead Woman

    De gust[o]bus non est disputandum?

    Also see massive immigration: Regression To The Mean Streets

    See also Regression To The Greenwich [Village] Mean Time and Bobby Frosty’s “Mending Wall” –
    Something Marxist there is that does so love a wall,
    Like the Berlin Wall and this-

    From “Perjury – The Hiss-Chambers Case” by Allen Weinstein, bottom of page 311:
    ” * During the 1940s, after he began working for Time, Chambers told others on the magazine that [Juliette] Poyntz had been killed and buried behind a brick wall in a Greenwich Village house.”

    (on a lighter note see again “My little horse must think it queer/ To see the Village People here)

    GMTA – Great Minds’ T & A? Grinder Means Tops & A**? Greek Minds Toga A**?
    Phil Spector’s “Wall of Sound” and ballistic Lana Clarkson misogyny.

  96. “I can’t say I’ll miss his songs because the only thing I know about Ryan Adams is that I’m not the only oldster to get him confused with 1980s power balladeer Bryan Adams, and that that peeves him no end.”

    You know as an artist you’re boned when your Wikipedia page tells people not to confuse you with Bryan Adams. That’s gotta cut like a knife.

    • LOL: Nathan
    • Replies: @Svigor
    "Run to You" is the best of the "chart" type songs of 1985, IMO. 'Course that's 'cause the '85 charts are clogged with some really Godawful scheisse, but still...
  97. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    Big Al, You “went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music”… hoping your date would find that laudable and come across later. Right?

  98. @Mr. Anon
    Quaid's story seems rather far-fetched and Quaid is reputed to have some screws loose. Then again, maybe that's just the kind of person a criminal would target. I'm not saying I believe him.

    There is a notorious set of cases in Nevada in which old people were made wards of the court and systematically stripped of their assets by a gang of thieves who were assisted by court officers (including judges).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfqf4LqwSVo

    Some of these evil swine have been convicted, but the ring-leaders (who appear to have political protection) have so far been untouched.

    There was also a very good article in the New Yorker about this:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights

  99. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    I especially like Norwegian Wood. He meets a girl who invites him up to her apartment. He waits “biding my time drinking her wine” but it turns out she won’t sleep with him. So when he wakes up & she’s gone to work he, of course, lights her apartment on fire. “Isn’t it good, Norwegian wood.”

  100. I have never been a big fan of any one group or artist, just singles, but I watched “Bohemian Rhapsody’ this weekend on TV. Put on the close captioning, one,because my hearing is diminishing and two, so I could understand the lyrics. Now I do love me some Queen. A quick search of their songs introduced me to “Fat Bottom Girls”….what no fat shaming criticism. Some one can link to it, more country sounding thank rock. And, “Radio Ga Ga ” inspired Lady Ga Ga’s stage name.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    One of the more interesting things about the internet age is the ability to discover the full lyrics to old songs.

    Previously, if you didn't know the words what a singer was saying (singing?) you were SOL. Then records and CDs came around, some artists published the lyrics and included them, but then you were forced to fork over cash just to answer your own annoying trivia question, and most people didn't want to do that.

    But now --with SoundCloud being able to ID a song, or digital radios telling you the artist and song title on their displays---you can google the song and find out the lyrics in seconds, or, as you did, use close captioning when they're played on TV. What previously would have been a years-long annoyance to you can now be solved in less than five minutes.

    I wonder if many older artists' lyrics disappoint many.

  101. @Whiskey
    There is no end to the ways in which women are the eternal enemy of the White beta male. There is nothing women hate more.

    Pop music is filled with Alpha makes behaving badly. Don Henly being a spectacular example. His 16 year old girlfriend overdosing. Iggy Pop and his very underage girlfriends.

    Ok because they are Alphas. Women's double standards beat madonna/whore by a mile.

    You might try a new idea. I have been reading how you beat the alpha/beta notion to death for decades. Trust me. There are other ideas.

  102. @Whiskey
    There is no end to the ways in which women are the eternal enemy of the White beta male. There is nothing women hate more.

    Pop music is filled with Alpha makes behaving badly. Don Henly being a spectacular example. His 16 year old girlfriend overdosing. Iggy Pop and his very underage girlfriends.

    Ok because they are Alphas. Women's double standards beat madonna/whore by a mile.

    You might try a new idea. I have been reading how you beat the alpha/beta notion to death for decades. Trust me. There are other ideas.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Because it's true. You cannot understand the course of Western degeneration unless you see how skewed it is from female market power to Alpha and Beta.

    The western world is one giant CW show. And that's all Alpha vs beta male.
  103. If white woman journos hate beta white men so much maybe they should stop dating/marrying them? Chicken/egg?

  104. This sounds suspiciously like hysterical Femi-Nazism.

  105. Ryan Adams is actually super-talented. His politics are typical, though. He’s always been kind of immature but I could still see him turning right. I mean, some of these guys have GOT to get fed up with this horseshit. Right? Right?!! Perhaps, that’s my wishful thinking.

    P.S. Steve, speaking of un-PC Stones’ lyrics, checkout Stray Cat Blues: The scorching version off Ya-Ya’s wherein Mick sings about seducing a 13-year-old girl.

  106. @Liberty Mike
    Do you have any irrefutable evidence that he "first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls' pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?"

    Do you have any irrefutable evidence that he “first picked up a guitar because he thought it was his only way to get into girls’ pants after looking in the mirror and not seeing Joe Quarterback?”

    Preliminary tests indicate that in spite of his androgynous appearance young Master Adams indeed has the XY chromosome.

  107. “beta male misogyny”

    I was excited that this concept was getting sapir-whorf’d, but this article is the first use of the term. Feminist women are overdue to really go all night of the long knives on their male allies.

  108. Heartbreaker was a pretty good album. Can’t say that I was aware that he was still making music. One of Adams’ accusers is the singer songwriter Phoebe Bridges. It is quite possible that her song Motion Sickness is about her relationship with Ryan Adams. She does not hold back.

    It is a pretty good tune. She is definitely channelling Aimee Mann which is not a bad thing in my book. She even dresses like her. An adult on a scooter is unforgivable, but she is in California after all. For some reason, Californians think scooters are going to become a thing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again. That weak, breathy voice she has means she's an amateur who doesn't know how to sing professionally. The producer actually layered her voice multiple times in the recording to help strengthen it, which is an old studio trick.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    His Whiskeytown records are all good as well, better than Uncle Tupelo (and def better than Wilco) imo. I wore the grooves off Stranger's Almanac at a time when I had almost given up hope in contemporary rock/country.
  109. @anon
    From the article:

    His ex-wife, the musician and actor Mandy Moore, described him as “psychologically abusive”. When the musician Phoebe Bridgers began a relationship with Adams after he offered to mentor her – at the time he was 40, she 20 – she said he quickly became emotionally abusive and manipulative, “threatening suicide” if she didn’t reply to his texts immediately.
     
    So wait a minute. He didn't rape anybody or molest anybody? He was just sort of a prick? That gets you MeTooed now?

    I would be interested to know how he psychologically abuses a woman who is much more famous than he is. Probably richer too. And while I haven't seen her for awhile, I seem to recall that, at the time she was famous, she was attractive enough that she could have had her pick of men. So she wasn't exactly helpless here. I mean, it would be one thing if he was physically abusive. But she doesn't seem to allege that.

    And obviously, threatening to kill yourself for attention is pretty crappy, but is it possible he genuinely was suicidal? I'm sure it's no fun to put up with that, but it doesn't seem like something you ought to punish him for, if he really was suicidal.

    I suppose it's possible he did worse stuff, but if so, why didn't the article mention it?

    Dark times.

    The one allegation that is an actual issue is the claim he was sexting with a 14 year old girl, although I think the messages indicate he asked about her age and she lied, still doesn’t merit the outrage mob when we stop and remember say Chuck Berry

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Gee, times have changed.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/thumb/800.422.https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/lori-jimmy-og.jpg

    Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.
  110. @Whiskey
    There is no end to the ways in which women are the eternal enemy of the White beta male. There is nothing women hate more.

    Pop music is filled with Alpha makes behaving badly. Don Henly being a spectacular example. His 16 year old girlfriend overdosing. Iggy Pop and his very underage girlfriends.

    Ok because they are Alphas. Women's double standards beat madonna/whore by a mile.

    I had a friend who was the cousin of one of Iggy Pop’s girl friends. She said while on tour with him, his first goal when reaching every town was to look for the local drug dealer. One time David Bowie toured with Iggy as his keyboard player. While Iggy was going off looking for drugs, she said Bowie would go to the nearest bar and start hitting on the hottest black girl at the bar.

  111. @Kylie
    No need for the adverb.

    Sick burn. Threadwinner.

  112. @Buffalo Joe
    I have never been a big fan of any one group or artist, just singles, but I watched "Bohemian Rhapsody' this weekend on TV. Put on the close captioning, one,because my hearing is diminishing and two, so I could understand the lyrics. Now I do love me some Queen. A quick search of their songs introduced me to "Fat Bottom Girls"....what no fat shaming criticism. Some one can link to it, more country sounding thank rock. And, "Radio Ga Ga " inspired Lady Ga Ga's stage name.

    One of the more interesting things about the internet age is the ability to discover the full lyrics to old songs.

    Previously, if you didn’t know the words what a singer was saying (singing?) you were SOL. Then records and CDs came around, some artists published the lyrics and included them, but then you were forced to fork over cash just to answer your own annoying trivia question, and most people didn’t want to do that.

    But now –with SoundCloud being able to ID a song, or digital radios telling you the artist and song title on their displays—you can google the song and find out the lyrics in seconds, or, as you did, use close captioning when they’re played on TV. What previously would have been a years-long annoyance to you can now be solved in less than five minutes.

    I wonder if many older artists’ lyrics disappoint many.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    RG, Thank you for the reply. My car radio tells me the song and group. Lyrics are easy to find on line and also sub titled videos. Amazing what you sometimes thought they were singing.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    So what is "the pompatus of love"?
  113. The most notable thing about Ryan Adams is that he made a music video that featured the New York skyline that was shot on September 7, 2001.

    September 11 was a great a break for him as it was for Bill Kristol.

    • LOL: Tusk
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    Good timing on Adams' part.

    Is Ryan Adams a Satanist?

    Do you remember that one time that Ryan Adams went ballistic on Twitter defending Lucifer to, of all people, Chelsea Clinton? That was kind of weird. After the Charlottesville Incident, the brain trust that is Chelsea Clinton took to Twitter comparing confederate monuments to monuments to Lucifer. This set Ryan Adams off and he felt compelled to defend Old Scratch.

    Ryan Adams and Chelsea's mother do not belong to the same coven apparently.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHeUssYWAAEUsjK.jpg

    Then there are the cryptic allusions to Satan on Ryan Adams' merch.

    https://shop.paxamrecords.com/products/i-listen-to-ryan-adams-because-i-love-satan-tee

    Ryan Adams did bizarre satanic themed videos that featured a talking cheese pizza. In light of his celebration of satanism, his cheese pizza references, the current allegations of sexual exploitation of a minor, and his apparent foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, maybe something is up with this guy.

    https://youtu.be/ThzkcCfRq2Y?t=204
  114. @Pat Boyle
    You might try a new idea. I have been reading how you beat the alpha/beta notion to death for decades. Trust me. There are other ideas.

    Because it’s true. You cannot understand the course of Western degeneration unless you see how skewed it is from female market power to Alpha and Beta.

    The western world is one giant CW show. And that’s all Alpha vs beta male.

  115. @The Alarmist
    Man, it must cut like a knife to be confused with a better musician ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VZhSkREYBc

    This song is actually about a girlfriend with a horrible flatulence problem.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "This song is actually about a girlfriend with a horrible flatulence problem."
     
    That would explain the couplet

    But how was I to know
    That you'd keep letting go?


    Was this the south-of-the-border (US, not Canadian) looking girl, by chance? (I nod to Fred Reed)
  116. @R.G. Camara
    One of the more interesting things about the internet age is the ability to discover the full lyrics to old songs.

    Previously, if you didn't know the words what a singer was saying (singing?) you were SOL. Then records and CDs came around, some artists published the lyrics and included them, but then you were forced to fork over cash just to answer your own annoying trivia question, and most people didn't want to do that.

    But now --with SoundCloud being able to ID a song, or digital radios telling you the artist and song title on their displays---you can google the song and find out the lyrics in seconds, or, as you did, use close captioning when they're played on TV. What previously would have been a years-long annoyance to you can now be solved in less than five minutes.

    I wonder if many older artists' lyrics disappoint many.

    RG, Thank you for the reply. My car radio tells me the song and group. Lyrics are easy to find on line and also sub titled videos. Amazing what you sometimes thought they were singing.

  117. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    >>>I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend’s mom.

    Whoa. If it was printed in the National Enquirer, I believe it.

    John Lennon always read the National Enquirer. He did so because he claimed that they always got the story right about him. He figured that if they always got it right about him they must be right about others too.

  118. @R.G. Camara
    One of the more interesting things about the internet age is the ability to discover the full lyrics to old songs.

    Previously, if you didn't know the words what a singer was saying (singing?) you were SOL. Then records and CDs came around, some artists published the lyrics and included them, but then you were forced to fork over cash just to answer your own annoying trivia question, and most people didn't want to do that.

    But now --with SoundCloud being able to ID a song, or digital radios telling you the artist and song title on their displays---you can google the song and find out the lyrics in seconds, or, as you did, use close captioning when they're played on TV. What previously would have been a years-long annoyance to you can now be solved in less than five minutes.

    I wonder if many older artists' lyrics disappoint many.

    So what is “the pompatus of love”?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    Only Maurice knows for sure.
  119. @Rosamond Vincy
    Eh, you got there first.

    He should have tried beating that Japanese Ghoul’s ass . But sadly she had him gelded .

  120. Is it just me or has the site done away with the edit time before your comment goes for moderation ?

  121. Why are there so many Ryans of his age?

    Three factors come to mind:

    a) Br- names have been seen as automatically “cool” at least since WW2. But Brian was getting overused, and dropping the B was the next best thing.

    b) People were also getting tired of Jason. The Waltons were petering out, and Here Come the Brides was a lost memory by then.

    c) Love Story.

    Trivia questions: What do Ryan O’Neal and Pat Boone have in common? And which one is a Patrick?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Boone
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_O%27Neal

  122. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    OK ….. now we need the whole story.

  123. @Reg Cæsar
    So what is "the pompatus of love"?

    Only Maurice knows for sure.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    So what is “the pompatus of love”?
     
    Only Maurice knows for sure.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxQBbrffPLk
  124. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I have a whole Archies greatest hits album, one of my secret guilty pleasures.

    A non cartoon version of the band appeared on Bandstand and other venues.

    Three was real songwriting talent behind the Arches and Wreaking Crew-level studio musicians.

    The Archies were as Lester Bangs said, more of a real band than some real bands.

    I didn’t find bangs’ quote, but from
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/where-punk-rock-begins

    Amanda Petrusich

    On James Jewell Osterberg, better known as Iggy Pop, who was in a band called the Iguanas with guitar repair guru Dan Erlewine and whom both of rock’s regnant princesses have admitted they really wanted to F Big Ig but didn’t (BigLMM because she doesn’t copulate with carnivores, D because she was field married to Chris)…

    After a couple of
    minutes, you can see on Iggy’s face that he has gone somewhere else. He starts doing a little jig, jutting out his buttocks while bending his knees inward, hopping, smashing his palms together in a kind of frantic, childlike clap. It’s a move that makes almost no physiological sense, but there is nonetheless real poetry to it. Soon, he falls into the crowd. The rock critic Lester Bangs, in his essay “Of Pop and Pies and Fun,” presents Iggy’s point of view in moments like this: “ ‘See, this is all a sham, this whole show and all its flood-lit, drug-jacked, realer-than-life trappings, and the fact that you are out there and I am up here means not the slightest thing.’ ” The notional difference between performer and spectator—Iggy disregarded it entirely, if he was aware of it at all. Here, in my mind, is where punk rock begins.

    The performance—and it is pure theatre—goes on for a while. He’s on the stage, he’s off the stage, he’s barking, he’s curling up. At other shows, during other songs, he would dig into the skin of his chest with bits of broken glass, divining little rivers of blood, crimson streaks that inched down his torso like chocolate syrup on a sundae. He was known to barf on a crowd from time to time. Sometimes, he’d take his dick out and gently set it atop a speaker. (“It was just vibrating around. He was very well endowed,” Steve Harris, the former vice-president of Elektra Records, recalls in “Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk,” by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain.) Iggy has since talked about those instances as acts of true reconciliation, in which the physical and the spiritual aligned, briefly: “Maybe you’ll be playing a tune and you really want to express the truth. And the truth of that moment was that I ought to be cut.”

    Punk, maybe more than any other genre, is contingent upon the body. Ideologically, it requires the actualization—the making real—of some otherwise unreachable pain. Other punk performers had incorporated a kind of aestheticized violence (and self-violence, especially) into their acts before, and punk fans often turned to decorative mutilation as catharsis, but I can’t recall many other artists whose physical sacrifice has felt quite as generative or as essential or as giving as Iggy’s. Maybe accentuating his body—and its frailties—was just another way in which he dismantled the boundaries between himself and his audience. The desecration of his corporeal self was so essential to his bond with his listeners; as he writhes, they reach for him.

    I cannot imagine how dangerous that dynamic must have seemed forty-odd years ago—“dangerous,” even, feels like too timid a word. When the Stooges released their eponymous début, in the summer of 1969, the most popular song in America was “Sugar, Sugar” by the Archies, a fake garage band composed of comic-book characters. (Their songs were recorded by a rotating coterie of studio musicians; a cardboard 45 of the song could be popped directly out of the backs of boxes of Super Sugar Crisp cereal.)

    That “Sugar, Sugar” and a jam like the Stooges’ “I Wanna Be Your Dog” were once adjacent—that they shared a cultural moment, occupied the same air—feels inconceivable to me now. “I just can’t believe the loveliness of loving you” is how the first verse of “Sugar, Sugar” goes. On “I Wanna Be Your Dog,” John Cale plays a single shrill note on the piano over and over again for three minutes while Iggy repeats the pleading in the song’s title: “And now I wanna be your dog, now I wanna be your dog.” As a declaration of desire, it’s subversive in any context: This relationship is not equitable! Let me serve you.

    The Archies have updated their image-to 1978. (Forbes magazine did a similar thing with Carly Fiorina in the nineties, only they didn’t have Carly and the boys dress up the whole way. )

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    I'd love to see The Archies do a cover of Iggy's African Man:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mntFacFPHEw

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Iggy-Pops-song-African-Man-legitimately-racist-or-ironic-or-something-else
  125. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno, when I was in grade school, the National Enquirer ran a cover story that Lawrence Welk was sleeping with my friend's mom.

    These days, he’d be in trouble if he was sleeping with the mom, instead of the dad.

  126. @mmack
    She looks like Neil from The Young Ones

    “Vegetable rights and peace, man”

  127. @reactionry
    Bacchanalian Belushi-Blutarksy Bashes Instrumentality Of Beta Male Troubadour:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs

    That’s why you should always carry a knife.

  128. @Kylie
    No need for the adverb.

    No need for the adverb.

    Does your black boyfriend like it when you hate on other women, Kylie?

    Since you evidently think of yourself as an exception, hopefullly you can work out the implications of this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/business/dealbook/women-majority-of-us-law-students-first-time.html

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, Meow !
  129. @Reg Cæsar

    And my college English & Lit professors would have publicly humiliated (and failed) me in front of my peers for writing similar crap (which they often did with gusto to all of us).
     
    What did they do with gusto? Fail you, or write similar crap themselves?

    To think how far feminists have come along since Helen Reddy’s “We are Woman!” On second thought “regression” is more apt.
     
    Regression to the Mean Girl.

    LOL – I feel like you were one of them. 🙂 They certainly never wrote crap like I did (and still do). Yes, you are correct (as always) Reg. I appreciate the correction and pointing out my writing skills are still atrocious and unclear nearly 40 years later. That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    My writing problem is that I think like a poet and like a lawyer at the same time.

    I hope your engineering school didn't make you read "Night Sea Journey" like mine did.
    , @Anonymous

    That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.
     
    It worked out okay for Tom Scholz.
  130. Gosh, it’s almost as if one of the main reasons guys get into music is to score with girls.

    Seriously, though: It’s starting to get really, really irritating to constantly encounter these “woke” people who have somehow managed to unlearn (or never learn) stuff that was simply common knowledge throughout all of human history up until like two weeks ago. I mean they were funny for a long time, but now that some of them are inching closer to positions of immense authority, I’m starting to get worried.

    What the hell is going to happen when people who are unable to form a realistic picture of the world start making big decisions with real-world consequences? I mean that rhetorically, of course. I know exactly what will happen, because it’s happened before. It’s just incredible to me that the human race hasn’t yet learned from it.

    • Agree: ic1000
  131. Naw, they’ll memory-hole the Carpenters too, for being too white.

  132. @tyrone
    Only Maurice knows for sure.

    So what is “the pompatus of love”?

    Only Maurice knows for sure.

  133. @Rosie

    No need for the adverb.
     
    Does your black boyfriend like it when you hate on other women, Kylie?

    Since you evidently think of yourself as an exception, hopefullly you can work out the implications of this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/business/dealbook/women-majority-of-us-law-students-first-time.html

    Rosie, Meow !

    • Replies: @Rosie
    http://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/A-cat-fight.jpg
    , @Kylie
    Females of her ilk just can't help proving my point.
  134. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    Heartbreaker was a pretty good album. Can't say that I was aware that he was still making music. One of Adams' accusers is the singer songwriter Phoebe Bridges. It is quite possible that her song Motion Sickness is about her relationship with Ryan Adams. She does not hold back.

    It is a pretty good tune. She is definitely channelling Aimee Mann which is not a bad thing in my book. She even dresses like her. An adult on a scooter is unforgivable, but she is in California after all. For some reason, Californians think scooters are going to become a thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfYpolGCu8

    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again. That weak, breathy voice she has means she’s an amateur who doesn’t know how to sing professionally. The producer actually layered her voice multiple times in the recording to help strengthen it, which is an old studio trick.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7UEn_zTxg
    , @Dtbb
    You should have seen the gospel medley done by Carrie Underwood and Yolanda Davis last night on the Elvis tribute show. Absolutely incredible!
  135. @Allen
    The one allegation that is an actual issue is the claim he was sexting with a 14 year old girl, although I think the messages indicate he asked about her age and she lied, still doesn't merit the outrage mob when we stop and remember say Chuck Berry

    Gee, times have changed.

    Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Every male arena rocker of the 70s was doing what any white male would go to prison for today, e.g, nailing jailbait. Just assume they were and you have a 90 percent chance of being right.
    It was the times. That's why I always had limited sympathy for Polanski. The judge mouthed off he was going to set the verdict aside and put him away for 20 years, so Polanski flew the coop. What Polanski did was wrong but if he had to do twenty years for it so should half of Hollywood, most of the men and not a tiny number of the women.

    Black rappers still mostly get away with it, but a few have been stupid about it, like R. Kelly, and have had problems.

    Chuck Berry's escapades were well known when I was in St. Louis in the seventies and early eighties, which is why even guitar nerds would shy away when we got to talking about how crucial Berry was to the development of rock guitar. (There is no question that without several blacks, including T-Bone Walker, Berry, and Hendrix there would not be rock and roll guitar as we know it, although most blacks don't give a shit about guitar. I would also throw Ernie Isley and Nile Rodgers into the pantheon of blacks who were instrumental in taking rock guitar where it is.) Berry would fart, piss and shit on white groupies in hotels all over America, he did get careful to make sure they were legal age after a couple of stretches in the pen. He also recorded himself on video and the video got out.

    Those who haven't seen Hail Hail Rock and Roll , the Taylor Hackford/ Keith Richards helmed Berry documentary, are missing out. Seeing Berry's dynamic is most instructive but the groupie thing is not discussed.
    , @Abe

    Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.
     
    All of a sudden I‘m feeling “Sick Again”...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lcEqU4Bmo64

    From the window of your rented limousine
    I saw your pretty blue eyes
    One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen
    Painted lady in the city of lies
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    You know I'm the one you want, babe
    I must be the one you need, yeah
    Clutching pages from your teenage dream
    In the lobby of the Hotel Paradise
    Through the circus of the LA queens
    How fast your learn the downhill side
    Oh, how you like my face?
    Still don't know your name
    You know I'm the one you want, babe
    Oh yes, I must be the one you need, yeah
    Oh, you got me feeling
    Just a bit, just a bit
    Lips like cherries and the brow of a queen
    Come on, flash it in my eyes
    Said you dug me since you were thirteen
    Then you giggle as you heave and sigh
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    Baby I gotta tell you, I'm the one you want
    And everybody know I'm the one you need, yeah
    Oh, give it to me, come on now
    Hours, hours, and the moments in between
    Oh, baby, I couldn't count the times
    The fun of comin', oh the pain in leavin'
    Baby, dry those silver eyes
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    You know I'm the one you want
    Oh yes, I'm the one you need
    Oh, that's right, oh, yes that's right
    Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right
    Oh yeah, that's right

  136. @Clifford Brown
    Heartbreaker was a pretty good album. Can't say that I was aware that he was still making music. One of Adams' accusers is the singer songwriter Phoebe Bridges. It is quite possible that her song Motion Sickness is about her relationship with Ryan Adams. She does not hold back.

    It is a pretty good tune. She is definitely channelling Aimee Mann which is not a bad thing in my book. She even dresses like her. An adult on a scooter is unforgivable, but she is in California after all. For some reason, Californians think scooters are going to become a thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfYpolGCu8

    His Whiskeytown records are all good as well, better than Uncle Tupelo (and def better than Wilco) imo. I wore the grooves off Stranger’s Almanac at a time when I had almost given up hope in contemporary rock/country.

  137. @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, Meow !

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, My Fantasy Rosie doesn't look like that.
  138. @Big Al
    Even the Beatles. I once went to a feminist presentation regarding misogyny in music and she wouldn't shut up about the song "Run For Your Life".

    I’ve seen that one singled out before too, but ironically the objectionable lyrics in Run For Your Life, “I’d rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man” are lifted from an Elvis song called Let’s Play House

  139. @Bubba
    LOL - I feel like you were one of them. :-) They certainly never wrote crap like I did (and still do). Yes, you are correct (as always) Reg. I appreciate the correction and pointing out my writing skills are still atrocious and unclear nearly 40 years later. That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.

    My writing problem is that I think like a poet and like a lawyer at the same time.

    I hope your engineering school didn’t make you read “Night Sea Journey” like mine did.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Thankfully no because I wouldn't be able to get past the 1st paragraph of something described as metafictional. But I'd think Professor Barth's classes would have been quite interesting to take in college.

    Kudos to you Reg for slogging through that and understanding it! Even Cliff Notes would have been no help to a simple sot-weed like me.

  140. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    Gee, times have changed.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/thumb/800.422.https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/lori-jimmy-og.jpg

    Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.

    Every male arena rocker of the 70s was doing what any white male would go to prison for today, e.g, nailing jailbait. Just assume they were and you have a 90 percent chance of being right.
    It was the times. That’s why I always had limited sympathy for Polanski. The judge mouthed off he was going to set the verdict aside and put him away for 20 years, so Polanski flew the coop. What Polanski did was wrong but if he had to do twenty years for it so should half of Hollywood, most of the men and not a tiny number of the women.

    Black rappers still mostly get away with it, but a few have been stupid about it, like R. Kelly, and have had problems.

    Chuck Berry’s escapades were well known when I was in St. Louis in the seventies and early eighties, which is why even guitar nerds would shy away when we got to talking about how crucial Berry was to the development of rock guitar. (There is no question that without several blacks, including T-Bone Walker, Berry, and Hendrix there would not be rock and roll guitar as we know it, although most blacks don’t give a shit about guitar. I would also throw Ernie Isley and Nile Rodgers into the pantheon of blacks who were instrumental in taking rock guitar where it is.) Berry would fart, piss and shit on white groupies in hotels all over America, he did get careful to make sure they were legal age after a couple of stretches in the pen. He also recorded himself on video and the video got out.

    Those who haven’t seen Hail Hail Rock and Roll , the Taylor Hackford/ Keith Richards helmed Berry documentary, are missing out. Seeing Berry’s dynamic is most instructive but the groupie thing is not discussed.

  141. @Bubba
    LOL - I feel like you were one of them. :-) They certainly never wrote crap like I did (and still do). Yes, you are correct (as always) Reg. I appreciate the correction and pointing out my writing skills are still atrocious and unclear nearly 40 years later. That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.

    That is why I was forced to become an electrical engineer.

    It worked out okay for Tom Scholz.

  142. @Brutusale
    Gee, times have changed.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/thumb/800.422.https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/lori-jimmy-og.jpg

    Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.

    Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and his West Coast squeeze, 14-year old Lori Maddox.

    All of a sudden I‘m feeling “Sick Again”…

    [MORE]

    From the window of your rented limousine
    I saw your pretty blue eyes
    One day soon you’re gonna reach sixteen
    Painted lady in the city of lies
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    You know I’m the one you want, babe
    I must be the one you need, yeah
    Clutching pages from your teenage dream
    In the lobby of the Hotel Paradise
    Through the circus of the LA queens
    How fast your learn the downhill side
    Oh, how you like my face?
    Still don’t know your name
    You know I’m the one you want, babe
    Oh yes, I must be the one you need, yeah
    Oh, you got me feeling
    Just a bit, just a bit
    Lips like cherries and the brow of a queen
    Come on, flash it in my eyes
    Said you dug me since you were thirteen
    Then you giggle as you heave and sigh
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    Baby I gotta tell you, I’m the one you want
    And everybody know I’m the one you need, yeah
    Oh, give it to me, come on now
    Hours, hours, and the moments in between
    Oh, baby, I couldn’t count the times
    The fun of comin’, oh the pain in leavin’
    Baby, dry those silver eyes
    Oh, do you know my name?
    Do I look the same?
    You know I’m the one you want
    Oh yes, I’m the one you need
    Oh, that’s right, oh, yes that’s right
    Oh, that’s right, that’s right, that’s right
    Oh yeah, that’s right

  143. @Anon
    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again. That weak, breathy voice she has means she's an amateur who doesn't know how to sing professionally. The producer actually layered her voice multiple times in the recording to help strengthen it, which is an old studio trick.

    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLX2jjg4kWs
    Better than CSNY really.
  144. anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liberty Mike
    Thank you.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Richard was domineering. It wouldn't surprise me if Karen was either.

    Sure, if I had to bet who might have been more likely to have been controlling, I would go with Richard simply because he was the composer, the orchestrator, the producer, etc.

    What Richard did with Close to You was nothing less than brilliant.

    Peeps should not forget that Karen was an awesome percussionist in addition to being blessed with one of the best female pop voices of all time.

    wwebd said – I think the site Rosamond Vincy is referring to is Enty Lawyer (Crazy Days and Nights), which often says things that are completely and patently untrue about one set of celebrities, to avoid being sued for saying things that are completely true and damning, about another set of celebrities (in other words, Enty Lawyer holds itself out as a fiction site to avoid law suits)..

    Karen was more intense in every way than Jimi Hendrix, but she refused to dress like a psychedelic addled fool, and so the very few people – one in a thousand or less – who still give a fuck about who was cooler in the 1960s, often side with Jimi over Karen in their sad little attributions of coolness —since such people are more likely to be totally down with psychedelic funk -than with clear musicianship ==== well, such people are likely to think about Jimi as some great musician, and are likely to overlook the fact that Jimi was a loser who never made it with the ladies until he got into the drug scene, and Karen was always, from the day she was born, a musician of genius.

    Just saying, feel free to disagree.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Karen Carpenter was a singer and a drummer (and a pretty good drummer), Hendrix was a guitar player, and though not having the most precise of technique, did take rock guitar in a new direction. No one else was getting those kind of sounds out of guitar those days. He had antecedents-Curtis Mayfield and Ernie Isley, and Dick Dale, the underrated King of the Surf Guitar who is still gigging at over 80 despite multiple fights with cancer.

    Later heavy metal and hard arena rock guitar players have better technique and are not as sloppy, but Hendrix got the tone and the feel and he did it 20 years before there were many people who could copy him.

    Hendrix was not without substantial flaws, as are most musicians, black or white. But he did something that was revolutionary and new, and deserves credit for that.
    , @Anonymous
    Karen Carpenter was a singer and a drummer (and a pretty good drummer), Hendrix was a guitar player, and though not having the most precise of technique, did take rock guitar in a new direction. No one else was getting those kind of sounds out of guitar those days. He had antecedents-Curtis Mayfield and Ernie Isley, and Dick Dale, the underrated King of the Surf Guitar who is still gigging at over 80 despite multiple fights with cancer.

    Later heavy metal and hard arena rock guitar players have better technique and are not as sloppy, but Hendrix got the tone and the feel and he did it 20 years before there were many people who could copy him.

    Hendrix was not without substantial flaws, as are most musicians, black or white. But he did something that was revolutionary and new, and deserves credit for that.
  145. @Anonymous
    The Archies were as Lester Bangs said, more of a real band than some real bands.

    I didn't find bangs' quote, but from
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/where-punk-rock-begins

    Amanda Petrusich

    On James Jewell Osterberg, better known as Iggy Pop, who was in a band called the Iguanas with guitar repair guru Dan Erlewine and whom both of rock's regnant princesses have admitted they really wanted to F Big Ig but didn't (BigLMM because she doesn't copulate with carnivores, D because she was field married to Chris)...

    After a couple of
    minutes, you can see on Iggy’s face that he has gone somewhere else. He starts doing a little jig, jutting out his buttocks while bending his knees inward, hopping, smashing his palms together in a kind of frantic, childlike clap. It’s a move that makes almost no physiological sense, but there is nonetheless real poetry to it. Soon, he falls into the crowd. The rock critic Lester Bangs, in his essay “Of Pop and Pies and Fun,” presents Iggy’s point of view in moments like this: “ ‘See, this is all a sham, this whole show and all its flood-lit, drug-jacked, realer-than-life trappings, and the fact that you are out there and I am up here means not the slightest thing.’ ” The notional difference between performer and spectator—Iggy disregarded it entirely, if he was aware of it at all. Here, in my mind, is where punk rock begins.

    The performance—and it is pure theatre—goes on for a while. He’s on the stage, he’s off the stage, he’s barking, he’s curling up. At other shows, during other songs, he would dig into the skin of his chest with bits of broken glass, divining little rivers of blood, crimson streaks that inched down his torso like chocolate syrup on a sundae. He was known to barf on a crowd from time to time. Sometimes, he’d take his dick out and gently set it atop a speaker. (“It was just vibrating around. He was very well endowed,” Steve Harris, the former vice-president of Elektra Records, recalls in “Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk,” by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain.) Iggy has since talked about those instances as acts of true reconciliation, in which the physical and the spiritual aligned, briefly: “Maybe you’ll be playing a tune and you really want to express the truth. And the truth of that moment was that I ought to be cut.”
     

    Punk, maybe more than any other genre, is contingent upon the body. Ideologically, it requires the actualization—the making real—of some otherwise unreachable pain. Other punk performers had incorporated a kind of aestheticized violence (and self-violence, especially) into their acts before, and punk fans often turned to decorative mutilation as catharsis, but I can’t recall many other artists whose physical sacrifice has felt quite as generative or as essential or as giving as Iggy’s. Maybe accentuating his body—and its frailties—was just another way in which he dismantled the boundaries between himself and his audience. The desecration of his corporeal self was so essential to his bond with his listeners; as he writhes, they reach for him.

    I cannot imagine how dangerous that dynamic must have seemed forty-odd years ago—“dangerous,” even, feels like too timid a word. When the Stooges released their eponymous début, in the summer of 1969, the most popular song in America was “Sugar, Sugar” by the Archies, a fake garage band composed of comic-book characters. (Their songs were recorded by a rotating coterie of studio musicians; a cardboard 45 of the song could be popped directly out of the backs of boxes of Super Sugar Crisp cereal.)

    That “Sugar, Sugar” and a jam like the Stooges’ “I Wanna Be Your Dog” were once adjacent—that they shared a cultural moment, occupied the same air—feels inconceivable to me now. “I just can't believe the loveliness of loving you” is how the first verse of “Sugar, Sugar” goes. On “I Wanna Be Your Dog,” John Cale plays a single shrill note on the piano over and over again for three minutes while Iggy repeats the pleading in the song’s title: “And now I wanna be your dog, now I wanna be your dog.” As a declaration of desire, it’s subversive in any context: This relationship is not equitable! Let me serve you.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

    The Archies have updated their image-to 1978. (Forbes magazine did a similar thing with Carly Fiorina in the nineties, only they didn't have Carly and the boys dress up the whole way. )

    https://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/2017/12/archie-parallel-lines-cover.jpg?itok=MPmWXYp0

    I’d love to see The Archies do a cover of Iggy’s African Man:

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Iggy-Pops-song-African-Man-legitimately-racist-or-ironic-or-something-else

  146. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    wwebd said - I think the site Rosamond Vincy is referring to is Enty Lawyer (Crazy Days and Nights), which often says things that are completely and patently untrue about one set of celebrities, to avoid being sued for saying things that are completely true and damning, about another set of celebrities (in other words, Enty Lawyer holds itself out as a fiction site to avoid law suits)..

    Karen was more intense in every way than Jimi Hendrix, but she refused to dress like a psychedelic addled fool, and so the very few people - one in a thousand or less - who still give a fuck about who was cooler in the 1960s, often side with Jimi over Karen in their sad little attributions of coolness ---since such people are more likely to be totally down with psychedelic funk -than with clear musicianship ==== well, such people are likely to think about Jimi as some great musician, and are likely to overlook the fact that Jimi was a loser who never made it with the ladies until he got into the drug scene, and Karen was always, from the day she was born, a musician of genius.

    Just saying, feel free to disagree.

    Karen Carpenter was a singer and a drummer (and a pretty good drummer), Hendrix was a guitar player, and though not having the most precise of technique, did take rock guitar in a new direction. No one else was getting those kind of sounds out of guitar those days. He had antecedents-Curtis Mayfield and Ernie Isley, and Dick Dale, the underrated King of the Surf Guitar who is still gigging at over 80 despite multiple fights with cancer.

    Later heavy metal and hard arena rock guitar players have better technique and are not as sloppy, but Hendrix got the tone and the feel and he did it 20 years before there were many people who could copy him.

    Hendrix was not without substantial flaws, as are most musicians, black or white. But he did something that was revolutionary and new, and deserves credit for that.

  147. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    wwebd said - I think the site Rosamond Vincy is referring to is Enty Lawyer (Crazy Days and Nights), which often says things that are completely and patently untrue about one set of celebrities, to avoid being sued for saying things that are completely true and damning, about another set of celebrities (in other words, Enty Lawyer holds itself out as a fiction site to avoid law suits)..

    Karen was more intense in every way than Jimi Hendrix, but she refused to dress like a psychedelic addled fool, and so the very few people - one in a thousand or less - who still give a fuck about who was cooler in the 1960s, often side with Jimi over Karen in their sad little attributions of coolness ---since such people are more likely to be totally down with psychedelic funk -than with clear musicianship ==== well, such people are likely to think about Jimi as some great musician, and are likely to overlook the fact that Jimi was a loser who never made it with the ladies until he got into the drug scene, and Karen was always, from the day she was born, a musician of genius.

    Just saying, feel free to disagree.

    Karen Carpenter was a singer and a drummer (and a pretty good drummer), Hendrix was a guitar player, and though not having the most precise of technique, did take rock guitar in a new direction. No one else was getting those kind of sounds out of guitar those days. He had antecedents-Curtis Mayfield and Ernie Isley, and Dick Dale, the underrated King of the Surf Guitar who is still gigging at over 80 despite multiple fights with cancer.

    Later heavy metal and hard arena rock guitar players have better technique and are not as sloppy, but Hendrix got the tone and the feel and he did it 20 years before there were many people who could copy him.

    Hendrix was not without substantial flaws, as are most musicians, black or white. But he did something that was revolutionary and new, and deserves credit for that.

  148. @Anon
    There are exactly two good songs (I'm referring to tunes, not lyrics-his lyrics are nothing special) that Adams has come up with in his entire career. The rest of his stuff is godawful boring junk. He has produced an astonishing pile of utter dreck for someone who's been around so long. The two good songs are these:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG31uyphyGU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaqMHZ3sc7Y

    In the second video, Adams blathers on like a moron just before and after he sings, but his singing and the song are amazing. But it's as if his real personality is totally detached from his artistic performace and has no emotional connection to it.

    Personally, I like his Whiskeytown stuff a lot. Unfortunately, the rest of his career felt like watered down Whiskeytown to me.

  149. But after ejecting a fan who demanded “Summer of ’69” Ryan Adams has made peace with nomenclatural confusion

    Remember back in the ’80’s when Rick Springfield wrote a song about always being mistaken for Bruce Springsteen? That was hilarious (unintentionally, which is the best kind of hilarious.)

    Hey DFH, that was an amazing Kinks video. Thanks for posting it. If I’d ever heard that song before, I’d forgotten about it. Reminds many of us of the kind of functional world we used to live in, even after the 1960’s. I may be wrong, but I doubt anyone’s career was ruined as a result of that record. In a similar vein, I don’t remember their trans song, Lola having much political context at the time. As I recall, it was just creepy and weird in a cool way back then.

    I often wonder just how white supremacist the Hispanic and Chinese Cheech and Chong would be in the eyes of today’s media for the stuff they released back then. Bassaball Jones and Up His Nose It Goes.

  150. @Glaivester
    The most notable thing about Ryan Adams is that he made a music video that featured the New York skyline that was shot on September 7, 2001.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmHgY_J63Ik

    September 11 was a great a break for him as it was for Bill Kristol.

    Good timing on Adams’ part.

    Is Ryan Adams a Satanist?

    Do you remember that one time that Ryan Adams went ballistic on Twitter defending Lucifer to, of all people, Chelsea Clinton? That was kind of weird. After the Charlottesville Incident, the brain trust that is Chelsea Clinton took to Twitter comparing confederate monuments to monuments to Lucifer. This set Ryan Adams off and he felt compelled to defend Old Scratch.

    Ryan Adams and Chelsea’s mother do not belong to the same coven apparently.

    Then there are the cryptic allusions to Satan on Ryan Adams’ merch.

    https://shop.paxamrecords.com/products/i-listen-to-ryan-adams-because-i-love-satan-tee

    Ryan Adams did bizarre satanic themed videos that featured a talking cheese pizza. In light of his celebration of satanism, his cheese pizza references, the current allegations of sexual exploitation of a minor, and his apparent foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, maybe something is up with this guy.

  151. @Anon
    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again. That weak, breathy voice she has means she's an amateur who doesn't know how to sing professionally. The producer actually layered her voice multiple times in the recording to help strengthen it, which is an old studio trick.

    You should have seen the gospel medley done by Carrie Underwood and Yolanda Davis last night on the Elvis tribute show. Absolutely incredible!

  152. @reactionry
    Bacchanalian Belushi-Blutarksy Bashes Instrumentality Of Beta Male Troubadour:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs

    Troubadour looks an awful lot like a young Francesco Quinn.

  153. @Reg Cæsar
    Kim is still a distant second to Paul Anka for Levantine-Canadian music celebrities.

    Unlike Elizabeth Warren, he might get away with claiming First Nation blood:

    http://cmw.net/wp-content/uploads/andy-kim-header2.jpg

    He went through a wannabe WASP phase:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMZhMcK9gy8

    (His nose seems narrower in his later pictures.)


    And just last year, Andy Kim got Paul Simoned:

    https://i.nj.com/resizer/uHqA7W5VLs3MgqJYP0iCsapMlMU=/600x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-advancelocal/public/4Y6XTXLZHJCW5E4MVVJOTZG26M.JPG

    https://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/width600/img/camden_impact/photo/screen-shot-2018-09-19-at-30353-pmpng-a2dce4f9cb11557e.png

    Strong stench of racism coming from that ad (my pet insult for east Asians is “fish face”).

  154. @mmack
    “I can’t say I’ll miss his songs because the only thing I know about Ryan Adams is that I’m not the only oldster to get him confused with 1980s power balladeer Bryan Adams, and that that peeves him no end.”

    You know as an artist you’re boned when your Wikipedia page tells people not to confuse you with Bryan Adams. That’s gotta cut like a knife.

    “Run to You” is the best of the “chart” type songs of 1985, IMO. ‘Course that’s ’cause the ’85 charts are clogged with some really Godawful scheisse, but still…

  155. Lady Mondegreen & Bear It
    Or: Rhymes With “What’s In *Your* ‘Wallet’ “?

    It would seem to be in keeping within the letter, if not quite the spirit of the “Tags: 100% xxxxxx- free content” (assuming this low-hanging er, “fruit” hasn’t been posted already on one of the many here-forbidden threads) to link to what should be a hard-to-reconcile-with-reality and hard-not-to-hear Mondegreen of toxic masculine pathological possessiveness:

    Up Next? – Inappropriately propositioning Mrs. Malaprop?

  156. @Anonymous

    I long for the day when female singers actually learn how to sing again.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7UEn_zTxg

    Better than CSNY really.

  157. @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, Meow !

    Females of her ilk just can’t help proving my point.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, I will take both of you out for a drink, and we will patch this up. Baring that, how about a cage match, no holds barred.
  158. @Pontius
    This song is actually about a girlfriend with a horrible flatulence problem.

    “This song is actually about a girlfriend with a horrible flatulence problem.”

    That would explain the couplet

    But how was I to know
    That you’d keep letting go?

    Was this the south-of-the-border (US, not Canadian) looking girl, by chance? (I nod to Fred Reed)

  159. @Svigor
    I find Mandy Moore's honesty refreshing: I was fucking him so he'd make me famous and he never made me famous. I even married that guy, WTF.

    I find Mandy Moore’s honesty refreshing: I was fucking him so he’d make me famous and he never made me famous. I even married that guy, WTF.

    Rephrased>>> “I gave him eight years of pussy access and in return I got jackshit, or close to it” “One of those Nigerian Bros I’ve been reading about could have done more for me.”

  160. @Rosie
    http://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/A-cat-fight.jpg

    Rosie, My Fantasy Rosie doesn’t look like that.

  161. @Kylie
    Females of her ilk just can't help proving my point.

    Kylie, I will take both of you out for a drink, and we will patch this up. Baring that, how about a cage match, no holds barred.

    • LOL: Rosie
  162. @Reg Cæsar
    My writing problem is that I think like a poet and like a lawyer at the same time.

    I hope your engineering school didn't make you read "Night Sea Journey" like mine did.

    Thankfully no because I wouldn’t be able to get past the 1st paragraph of something described as metafictional. But I’d think Professor Barth’s classes would have been quite interesting to take in college.

    Kudos to you Reg for slogging through that and understanding it! Even Cliff Notes would have been no help to a simple sot-weed like me.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Kudos to you Reg for slogging through that and understanding it! Even Cliff Notes would have been no help to a simple sot-weed like me.
     
    I was the only one in the class to figure it out. But I can't take any credit for it. At the time I subscribed to Stereo Review, which had quoted a Batteau Brothers' song, "Mirror": "I can swim, I'm a sperm, on my night sea journey turn."

    You can hear some of it here:

    https://boomkat.com/products/batteaux
  163. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Applying Steve's law of female journalism: Unattractive female writer secretly wants to be aggressively bedded by male misogynist in question:

    Laura Snapes

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2018/05/02/Laura_Snapes,_L.png?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=4a8ce10a186564dbd60ac10bcf308fdd


    BINGO!

    Jeez Mike. Where’d ya find her at? I’d take occasional cortex or I Omar any day over her! I’d bet they’d bring a lot more firepower to the bed table than this specimen here!

  164. @Bubba
    Thankfully no because I wouldn't be able to get past the 1st paragraph of something described as metafictional. But I'd think Professor Barth's classes would have been quite interesting to take in college.

    Kudos to you Reg for slogging through that and understanding it! Even Cliff Notes would have been no help to a simple sot-weed like me.

    Kudos to you Reg for slogging through that and understanding it! Even Cliff Notes would have been no help to a simple sot-weed like me.

    I was the only one in the class to figure it out. But I can’t take any credit for it. At the time I subscribed to Stereo Review, which had quoted a Batteau Brothers’ song, “Mirror”: “I can swim, I’m a sperm, on my night sea journey turn.”

    You can hear some of it here:

    https://boomkat.com/products/batteaux

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