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From Riverside Green:

Weekly Roundup: The Passion Of Saint iGNUcius Edition
Posted on September 16, 2019 by Jack Baruth

I was there, outside the Chinese restaurant, when Richard Stallman screamed and began to run from the raindrops.

It was early in 2001 and I was at MIT …

Dealing with GNU/Linux meant dealing with Richard Stallman, the eccentric genius who had guided the creation of pretty much everything but the Linux kernel itself. I say “eccentric”, but what I’m really saying is that Stallman is mentally ill. I don’t know the correct words to describe that illness, but it manifests itself in dozens of different ways, from extreme hydrophobia (fear of water!) to various disturbing habits of phraseology, communication, and physical behavior. Nobody who knows Stallman thinks he is sane. By the same token, nobody would doubt his intelligence. …

Stallman agreed to eat dinner with me on the condition that he be permitted to order my meal and that I eat the whole thing without complaint.

… The meal was an utter nightmare, of course. Everything he picked had the texture, and taste, of Jell-O made from dog vomit. I told myself that if G. Gordon Liddy could burn his own finger down to the tendon that I could finish a five-course “authentic” Chinese meal. Having done so, I managed to extract some absolutely brilliant ideas from him about software design and programming principles. “Come back to my office,” he suggested, and we headed out to walk over towards the MIT Media Lab. About ninety seconds into our walk, it started to rain. Just a light sprinkling, not build-the-ark stuff. Stallman screamed like a teenage girl, pulled his dashiki (yes!) over his head, and ran in waddling fashion towards MIT.

Twenty minutes later, I arrived at the Media Lab to find him huddling on the other side of the door, shaking. “Why did you not run?” he asked, in a whining monotone. “Is it because you are heavy?” (I was 195 pounds at the time; lighter than Stallman, half a foot taller.)

“Yes,” I replied, “my weight prevents rapid locomotion.” Stallman nodded in satisfied fashion. Two hours later, in the middle of demonstrating some bizarre Bulgarian folk dance, he looked over his shoulder at me and said, “I would be happier if you were not in the office.” He did not stop dancing. I took this as my cue to leave.

I mention all of this so you know precisely the sort of person who is in the middle of being crucified for “defending Epstein’s rape island” by his institutional rivals.

… Perhaps it’s because Mr. Epstein had a full list of powerful and notable friends. One of those friends, apparently, was MIT artifical-intelligence savant Marvin Minsky, who is alleged to have had sex with a 17-year-old girl on the island.

When asked to give his thoughts on the matter, Stallman responded like any 110-octane autism-spectrum genius would: by questioning the terminology involved. He suggested that the correct word for Minsky’s alleged statutory rape was not “sexual assault”, noting that

a) Minsky had no way to know the girl was 17, not 18 ;
b) she had been coerced by Epstein out of Minsky’s presence and might well have appeared to be entirely willing.

In true Stallman fashion, this was

a) absolutely correct from a logical perspective;
b) mind-blowingly stupid from a perspective of The Current Year.

It’s no different from the thousands of logical but emotionally uncomfortable things he has said and written over the past forty years. Stallman has no way to understand how people feel about something; he doesn’t feel that way. The community of actual computer scientists and clued-in tech people has long accepted this because — and I cannot emphasize this enough — Richard Stallman is responsible for computing as we know it.

In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985. No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb. It took someone with Stallman’s particular blend of Promethean IQ and mentally handicapped social skills to push it all the way to reality. You live in Richard Stallman’s world, whether you like it or not. He has had more influence on how we communicate in 2019 than any other single human being currently living. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.

Naturally, our society has decided to crucify him. A young woman with an axe to grind has instigated a lynch mob through an astoundingly ill-conceived and illogical bit of emotionally dependent rhetoric:

There are so many things wrong with what Richard Stallman said I hardly know where to begin…

She totally can’t even! …

This behavior cannot go unchecked, simply because someone is seen as a “genius”. Remove men like Richard Stallman and, I’m sure, the many others that are now hiding. #MeToo showed us that they are not safe, not as isolated as we thought in their towers of power and prestige. Remove everyone, if we must, and let something much better be built from the ashes.

Built by whom, exactly? …

And here are Richard Stallman’s instructions on how to host him as a speaker, including this:

If you can find a host for me that has a friendly parrot, I will be
very very glad. If you can find someone who has a friendly parrot I
can visit with, that will be nice too.

DON’T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me. To
acquire a parrot is a major decision: it is likely to outlive you. If
you don’t know how to treat the parrot, it could be emotionally
scarred and spend many decades feeling frightened and unhappy. If you
buy a captured wild parrot, you will promote a cruel and devastating
practice, and the parrot will be emotionally scarred before you get it.
Meeting that sad animal is not an agreeable surprise.

Speaking of parrots …

 
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  1. Wow, well done, fellow Jack. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    a) absolutely correct from a logical perspective;
    b) mind-blowingly stupid from a perspective of The Current Year.
     
    The author of this piece is an incredible coward.

    It’s no different from the thousands of logical but emotionally uncomfortable things he has said and written over the past forty years. Stallman has no way to understand how people feel about something; he doesn’t feel that way.
     
    People aren't remaining silent in the face of these injustices and transgressions against truth because they "understand how people feel." They are keeping their mouths shut because they fear job loss and social ostracism.
    , @AnotherDad
    This ...

    ...Richard Stallman is responsible for computing as we know it.

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985. No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

    The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb. It took someone with Stallman’s particular blend of Promethean IQ and mentally handicapped social skills to push it all the way to reality. You live in Richard Stallman’s world, whether you like it or not. He has had more influence on how we communicate in 2019 than any other single human being currently living. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.
     
    is some seriously embarrassing dick sucking.

    Richard Stallman's an obviously very smart guy who's had a big impact with his GNU. Nonetheless if Richard Stallman had never existed ... basically no one would know the difference.

    The great tech wave has been driven by what the hardware is capable of doing. The improved lithography and hence rapidly increasing--"Moore's Law"--capability. Back in the day--punched cards. Then we could have a terminal capable of text. Then the capability could support GUI--so we had GUI. The networking chips could handle enough to send pics--we were sending pics. Enough to do video--video. Powerful and cheap enough to do mobile data--mobile data.

    Stallman's had some impact on the particular software in use today--like Gates and Jobs. But if Stallman did not exist you'd still have the Internet hooked to your laptop and people staring at their phones--running some sort of OS--would still be walking into traffic.

    ~~

    I've never understood this need to hero worship. I'd be embarassed to write those ridiculous paragraphs above. It's like girls and their celebrities and some boys and their sports heroes. I've seen this sort of stuff from guys in science and find it ... sad.

    Not that person X didn't do something cool, or even deserve respectful admiration for their contribution. But we sciency people are supposed to be a little more logical and realistic about what's going on. Not screaming like 14 year old girls when the Beatles go on stage.


    Now what is true, is the big statistical picture: The tech we have exists because of smart and nerdy white (and a few Asian) guys *like* Stallman, who are passionate about "stuff"--things, ideas--and willing to work to take advantage of and improve what we can do and push forward.

    Basically all the nice stuff we have flows from the competition and creativity in Western Christian civilization during the last 600 years ... the product of white guys.

    If white men were out and Stallman's witch hunting antagonists were in charge of producing tech ... there would be no tech. We'd all be living in caves, listening to their whiny bitch fests by firelight. .. except there would be no fires.
     
  2. I’ve met rms. He’s fat, smelly and odd but not mentally ill.

    Several famous computer industry titans could as or more easily be accused of “Mental Illness” than could Stallman.

    And like it or not, he has enormously benefitted the world.

    And also, he’s right about Minsky.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being "on the spectrum" or in earlier times, having Asperger's Syndrome:

    Asperger's syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger's may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.
     
    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The "she" is just PC crap by WebMD - Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic - it's really a guy thing).
    , @Dave Pinsen
    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.
    , @Kronos
    It’s the insanity plea for the social justice court. He’s trying to pull “A Beautiful Mind” defense strategy.
  3. I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and — deeper in his past — about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:
     
    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    'Comments closed, though.'

    GAB Dissenter.
    , @NOTA
    The more Stallmans get thrown to the mob, the fewer really important people need be sacrificed. Epstein was pimping girls to lots of wealthy and powerful people. Not RMS, but hey, he's easier to cancel than some billionaire with tons of lawyers and PR people on staff.
    , @Anon
    Actually, the real story is a Jewish guy (Stallman) makes a remark defending a fellow Jewish guy (Minsky) who made the mistake of having sex with a shiksa procured for him by a fellow Jewish guy (Epstein), and thus they end up up on the large burn pile of almost 100% Jewish men who have been #meetood by angry shiksas tired of dealing with Jewish men and their relentless lust for shiksas.
    , @J.Ross
    Calling this resignation "Epstein related" is as criminally dishonest as describing the story of Trump pointing out Biden family corruption in Ukraine as "whistleblowing," "another Trump gaffe," or "more trouble for Trump from Russia." It's not as perfectly-Orwellianishly backwards but every low-information person hearing it will picture Stallman on the plane with Bill Clinton, which is a criminal misrepresentation.
  4. Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A “team” of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I’m pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    • Agree: bomag, istevefan
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    I'd put my money on the Chinese. Mostly for all the reasons of national interest you'd expect, of course, but believe it or not, I've met a fair chunk of tech/science dudes from the PRC who seem to genuinely feel sorry for white American counterparts who have to deal with the baizuo.

    , @Ibound1

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar?
     
    How soon before ordinary Americans leave for Russia, Georgia, Armenia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria or Israel because they can’t take this shit any more?
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Selam witch trials
    , @William Badwhite
    Good grief. I am the belief that orienting society around the hurt feelings of affirmative action dimwits is a really bad idea. Why is someone like this awful woman even in this country, much less having her tantrums acknowledged?

    We need a Secretary of Deportation at the cabinet level, asap.
    , @Ibound1
    She wears a big MIT shirt. Funny. MIT only has the reputation that it does because of the White males that preceded her there. It’s not like the letters MIT have some kind of mystical power over technology. She rides on their reputation and then wants to destroy them. And when they are gone, her MIT shirt will be worthless.
  5. Not one of these cultural Bolsheviks are fit to wipe Stallman’s ass. Even with the NYT as toilet paper.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Kronos
    Yeah, that paper will leave cuts on you butt for sure. The WSJ is a little better.
  6. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    But because he is mentally challenged in social interactions — an area where the Illuminati respect, and permit, nothing besides complete and total compliance — he is going to be drummed out of the world that he single-handedly created

    Being “mentally challenged in social interactions” shouldn’t be the requisite condition in our society for telling the truth. The author of the piece seems to agree with the Commissars that people shouldn’t speak the truth.

  7. @Jack D
    Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*y-rZe_dqpK2_dN2k.jpg

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A "team" of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I'm pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    >How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    I’d put my money on the Chinese. Mostly for all the reasons of national interest you’d expect, of course, but believe it or not, I’ve met a fair chunk of tech/science dudes from the PRC who seem to genuinely feel sorry for white American counterparts who have to deal with the baizuo.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools. But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    This sort of open source creativity would be impossible over there.
  8. @Anonymous
    I've met rms. He's fat, smelly and odd but not mentally ill.

    Several famous computer industry titans could as or more easily be accused of "Mental Illness" than could Stallman.

    And like it or not, he has enormously benefitted the world.

    And also, he's right about Minsky.

    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being “on the spectrum” or in earlier times, having Asperger’s Syndrome:

    Asperger’s syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger’s may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.

    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The “she” is just PC crap by WebMD – Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic – it’s really a guy thing).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I resemble that remark, Mr. D.
    , @Jake
    There are girls who fit 'Asperger's, but the ratio is about 9 or 10 to 1 male.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    It's generally understood that although discussing most topics nonstop is a symptom of Asperger's, discussing golf courses is an exception to that rule.
    , @Ministry of Tongues
    Asperger's Syndrome is rare in women, but it exists, as I discovered to my great cost.

    People in their 40s and older will remember when the term Asperger's was not part of the culture. It came in in the 2000s, I think. This was a decade earlier. Neither she nor I knew what was going on with her at the time.
  9. Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    • Replies: @anon
    Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    But Paleo, these aren't uptight Brits from generations ago. Stallman is being unpersoned by your allies, dude, your intellectual children in some sense.
    , @Jack D
    No, no, no, you've got this all wrong - Turing was a GOOD person and was mistreated by BAD people. Stallman is a BAD person and GOOD people are (deservedly) outing him. Just ask Selam - she will explain that she is nothing like those English pigs who went after Turing. Totally different.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "the way the Brits treated Turing"

    Turing broke the then laws. Given that a lot of high-profile Brits were doing exactly the same (think Boothby, Driberg, Mountbatten, Nicolson), I think he must have been either very foolish or very unlucky.

    Apparently he volunteered to the police the information that he was homosexual when reporting a break-in. Police in those days shared the values of the middle and working classes, not the upper classes.

    I guess someone high up could have asked for charges to be dropped in the light of his wartime service, but his wartime service was a state secret which he never divulged.
  10. “Under a conference Stallmann takes off his shoe and socks, diggs off some shit from his foot, and at 01:44 he eats it! Disgusting? decide for yourselves.”

  11. Wow, this Selam Guano had best check her ablist privilege.

    Punching down at someone so clearly on the spectrum is very, very problematic.

    Shame!

  12. @Paleo Liberal
    Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    But Paleo, these aren’t uptight Brits from generations ago. Stallman is being unpersoned by your allies, dude, your intellectual children in some sense.

  13. @Anonymous
    I've met rms. He's fat, smelly and odd but not mentally ill.

    Several famous computer industry titans could as or more easily be accused of "Mental Illness" than could Stallman.

    And like it or not, he has enormously benefitted the world.

    And also, he's right about Minsky.

    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.

    • LOL: Lot
    • Replies: @anon
    I had a roomy like that. Only he was a philosophy major. Guess that's no surprise, either?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Back in the early days of the Paleo diet fad, there was also a group who claimed that if you stopped bathing you would go through a period of smelliness, but that would pass and you would come out on the other side not having to bathe but without BO.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I was talking to my neighbor while she was tidying up her garage. She reached in a box and pulled out a photo from about 1990 of her and Brad Pitt. She put it aside to make sure that didn't get thrown away.

    She said Brad was a very sweet boy, but he didn't like to shower.
    , @YetAnotherAnon

    Nat Goldhaber, who founded a software company called TOPS, used to man his company’s booth at computer trade shows. Whenever a particularly foul-smelling man would come in the booth, Goldhaber would say, “You’re a programmer, aren’t you?” “Why, yes,” he’d reply, beaming at being recognized as a stinking god among men.
     
    From Robert Cringeley's history of the (early) IT revolution, Accidental Empires.
  14. @Jack D
    Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*y-rZe_dqpK2_dN2k.jpg

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A "team" of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I'm pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar?

    How soon before ordinary Americans leave for Russia, Georgia, Armenia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria or Israel because they can’t take this shit any more?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    That would be the coward's way out. So let them go. They probably aren't Americans anyway if they choose one of those Eastern hellholes.
  15. The first rule of Fight Club is do not talk about Fight Club.

    Also: when everybody was signing up for facebook back in ’07 Stallman was nearly the only public figure on the planet who said “Don’t”. You might be glad you paid attention to him if you did.

  16. @Paleo Liberal
    Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    No, no, no, you’ve got this all wrong – Turing was a GOOD person and was mistreated by BAD people. Stallman is a BAD person and GOOD people are (deservedly) outing him. Just ask Selam – she will explain that she is nothing like those English pigs who went after Turing. Totally different.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    She already had an article printed about her hair in an
    MIT alumni magazine or something
  17. @Dave Pinsen
    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.

    I had a roomy like that. Only he was a philosophy major. Guess that’s no surprise, either?

  18. @Jack D
    No, no, no, you've got this all wrong - Turing was a GOOD person and was mistreated by BAD people. Stallman is a BAD person and GOOD people are (deservedly) outing him. Just ask Selam - she will explain that she is nothing like those English pigs who went after Turing. Totally different.

    She already had an article printed about her hair in an
    MIT alumni magazine or something

  19. In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

    This is BS.

    Stallman and Minsky are both overrated. They come from a people with a knack for getting themselves overrated.

    They are not known for their strait-laced, prudish virtue either, which, with regard to explaining his remarks, offers a different hypothesis to him being merely socially inept in all ways.

  20. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    If the Woke are going full Cultural Revolution they will need chairs. But Boomers run fat, so they will need bigger and stronger chairs than China used in 1965 for their disgraced professors.

  21. @nebulafox
    >How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    I'd put my money on the Chinese. Mostly for all the reasons of national interest you'd expect, of course, but believe it or not, I've met a fair chunk of tech/science dudes from the PRC who seem to genuinely feel sorry for white American counterparts who have to deal with the baizuo.

    Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools. But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    This sort of open source creativity would be impossible over there.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools.

    One I worked had a portrait of Richard Nixon, among others.

    >But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    I'm not so much referring to Stallman so much as some Damore type who just wants interesting math and code to work on, and has gotten in trouble because he stated that men and women aren't the same.

    The thing that people need to understand here is that most of these guys are apolitical, or at the very least view politics as a distant second to science or tech and will do what is necessary to get the politicians off their proverbial private parts. (I'm reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.) They just want to be left alone to do interesting stuff, and will voice anything within reason that lets them do that. So, the Chinese know they aren't going to be leading demonstrations for democracy by the embassy, and they have absolutely no qualms with a lack of social skills or woke attitudes. If anything, they'll want the brilliant but socially inept young American man to marry a local woman and raise future mildly autistic generations that are literally capable of doing nothing but working with monomanical focus on everything from engineering stem cells to supercomputers.

    (There are Chinese startups that have hired young, single, pretty "cheerleaders" to get the coders to work harder. No, I don't think they'd have an issue with Damore at all.)

    No, I don't think Dick Stallman himself would be tolerated in the PRC-just look at the man's website. But the guys who keep Silicon Valley running and who the HR ladies and MBAs look at with unvarnished contempt? Different story.

  22. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Wow, well done, fellow Jack. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    a) absolutely correct from a logical perspective;
    b) mind-blowingly stupid from a perspective of The Current Year.

    The author of this piece is an incredible coward.

    It’s no different from the thousands of logical but emotionally uncomfortable things he has said and written over the past forty years. Stallman has no way to understand how people feel about something; he doesn’t feel that way.

    People aren’t remaining silent in the face of these injustices and transgressions against truth because they “understand how people feel.” They are keeping their mouths shut because they fear job loss and social ostracism.

  23. well, that’s overselling his contributions some, but yes, he is an important person in computer science.

    but LOL at going after this fat asperger nerd.

    was shocked to read the accusation about Minsky though. never heard that before ever. is that accurate?

  24. @Jack D
    Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*y-rZe_dqpK2_dN2k.jpg

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A "team" of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I'm pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    Selam witch trials

  25. #MeToo

    Speaking of parrots…

  26. In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg… Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

    Unclear whether this is a condemnation or an advertisement. I say we go back to 1985, or better yet, 1955. I’ll survive without my Android phone.

    The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought.

    Oh good grief! The hagiography is unreal.

    Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb.

    Stopped reading here.

  27. @nebulafox
    Not one of these cultural Bolsheviks are fit to wipe Stallman's ass. Even with the NYT as toilet paper.

    Yeah, that paper will leave cuts on you butt for sure. The WSJ is a little better.

  28. @Calvin Hobbes
    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and -- deeper in his past -- about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Probably the last commercial computer system he worked on was Symbolics Genera on the old FPGA or early Ivory processors.
    , @El Dato
    We don't know but it Hurd a lot.
    , @Lot
    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/243/214/45b.jpg
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Windows Me.
  29. @Anonymous
    I've met rms. He's fat, smelly and odd but not mentally ill.

    Several famous computer industry titans could as or more easily be accused of "Mental Illness" than could Stallman.

    And like it or not, he has enormously benefitted the world.

    And also, he's right about Minsky.

    It’s the insanity plea for the social justice court. He’s trying to pull “A Beautiful Mind” defense strategy.

  30. … The meal was an utter nightmare, of course. Everything he picked had the texture, and taste, of Jell-O made from dog vomit.

    “You are now in eXistenZ, a virtual reality where you have to fight your way through woke enemies.”

    I told myself that if G. Gordon Liddy could burn his own finger down to the tendon that I could finish a five-course “authentic” Chinese meal. Having done so, I managed to extract some absolutely brilliant ideas from him about software design and programming principles.

    Weird. Stallmann is known for advocacy and hardcore coding in his youth. I have never seen a textbook about “software design and programming principles”. If he has them, they are internal for sure.

  31. @Reg Cæsar

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:
     
    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?

    Probably the last commercial computer system he worked on was Symbolics Genera on the old FPGA or early Ivory processors.

  32. Reminder that there is a “Me Me Me” writeup demanding immediate Robespierrian purges to make the world a better place for women and the minorities. Which I find really appalling for some reason. I’m probably too oldthinker.

    Remove Richard Stallman. And everyone else horrible in tech.

    I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work.

    and

    Remove Richard Stallman: Appendix A: The stories of thirty years of MIT women alumni.

    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.

    (She is in Robotics. Why doesn’t she know much about software?)

    In high school, people joked frequently that I was good at math, “nerdy”, and played in the orchestra because I am Asian. I did not like this because it implied I did not have to work to achieve those things. When I was accepted to MIT, they then told me that I was admitted only because of affirmative action, since I am African.

    Man.

    (Medium giving you access trouble and demanding that you sign up to surveillance capitalist outfits like Google and Facebook? NoScript is your friend!)

    • Replies: @bomag

    Reminder that there is a “Me Me Me” writeup demanding immediate Robespierrian purges to make the world a better place for women and the minorities.
     
    And she has a martial bent about the thing:

    [regarding mansplainers] in my mind, I stand up and I scream at them. I would put my hands around their shoulders and shake sense into all of them, individually, if I had enough time and enough hands

    I am ready, now, to join others in calling for burning everything to the ground.

    If this is what MIT wants to defend; if this is what MIT wants to stand for, then, yes, burn it to the ground.

    Rather telling that, later in the screed, she relates that she has been personally well treated by men in her life and at MIT in particular; she's just responding to all the historical wrongs that require everything to be burned to the ground.

    In the appendix, she is sure to mention MIT and slavery, and how she is a woman of color who has had to struggle beyond what others can imagine.

    I suppose it is the usual cant from that crowd, but they are sure not to use ammo on their heroes: Bill Clinton, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and MLK have done and said things far beyond Stallman, but no peep from the crowd.
  33. @Reg Cæsar

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:
     
    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?

    We don’t know but it Hurd a lot.

  34. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve never read anyone accusing him of being mentally ill. Maybe in the Plominian sense of the abnormal is normal, which asserts that there is no spectrum for any trait, but rather we all have more or less of everything.

    Well before #metoo Stallman’s tendency to stare fixedly at women’s breasts in an obvious manner was well known. But we’re all somewhere on the Plominian spectrum there.

  35. @Reg Cæsar

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:
     
    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    This bar graph titled "Windows" is unintelligible, because it has no caption explaining what the numbers mean. And why are the bars not bars but three-dimensional parallelepipeds?
  36. Someone should do a Stallman biopic starring Zach Galifianakis.

  37. When the history of the counterrevolution is written, it’s greatest accomplishment shall be described thusly: “A certain kind of person wasn’t allowed to attack their superiors”.

    • Agree: Jack Henson
  38. The humiliation of Richard Stallman needs to be confronted, exposed and publicized wherever possible. He has ASD (autistic spectrum disorder) and deserves better: an ASD person is being attacked for speaking honestly without malice in a socially inept way. Unlike in many other recent SJW/antifa outrages, there is no way anyone can be accused of racism, sexism, anti-transgenderism for speaking up. In fact, those who have humiliated him have attacked “the mentally handicapped” a protected group who get big Wokemon Points. One can even pose as an SJW while defending Stallman.

    Time to make a huge fuss.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The humiliation of Richard Stallman needs to be confronted, exposed and publicized wherever possible. He has ASD (autistic spectrum disorder) and deserves better: an ASD person is being attacked for speaking honestly without malice in a socially inept way. Unlike in many other recent SJW/antifa outrages, there is no way anyone can be accused of racism, sexism, anti-transgenderism for speaking up. In fact, those who have humiliated him have attacked “the mentally handicapped” a protected group who get big Wokemon Points. One can even pose as an SJW while defending Stallman.

    Time to make a huge fuss.
     
    Nope. Not on the basis you propose. That will only implicitly endorse the "SJW" rules.

    Defend him on the basis that what he said was true (if it was true).
  39. Anonymous[701] • Disclaimer says:

    I lost sympathy at the bit where he insisted he would pick someone else’s menu and it had to be eaten without complaint. That is control freakery to the Nth degree. It seems to me he might be in trouble because he is utterly unable to pick up social cues, not because he is Galileo defying the Inquisition.

  40. @Calvin Hobbes
    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and -- deeper in his past -- about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    ‘Comments closed, though.’

    GAB Dissenter.

  41. @Jack D
    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being "on the spectrum" or in earlier times, having Asperger's Syndrome:

    Asperger's syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger's may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.
     
    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The "she" is just PC crap by WebMD - Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic - it's really a guy thing).

    I resemble that remark, Mr. D.

  42. https://futurism.com/richard-stallman-epstein-scandal

    On Thursday, MIT graduate Selam Jie Gano published a Medium post including excerpts from an email that Stallman reportedly sent to an MIT CSAIL mailing list in response to the protest.

    “The word ‘assaulting’ presumes that he applied force or violence, in some unspecified way,” Stallman wrote in the email, “but the article itself says no such thing. Only that they had sex.”

    Had Stallman checked the legal definition of sexual assault prior to penning his email, he would know that the Department of Justice defines it as “a nonconsensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent.”

  43. Which white males line the halls of Chinese schools? Surprising if true.

  44. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.

    Yeah, sure. Just like James Watson. But we obviously don’t live in a sane society.

    But seriously, have any of the people who actually visited Pleasure Island suffered any consequences yet? I mean, Billy-Bob Clinton visited the island twenty-seven f*cking times–and is he under investigation? Has he even had to resign from any boards? But some poor sperg at MIT just makes an off-color comment about the case, and he’s fired? WTF!?

    • Replies: @anon
    Billy-Bob Clinton visited the island twenty-seven f*cking times–and is he under investigation? Has he even had to resign from any boards? But some poor sperg at MIT just makes an off-color comment about the case, and he’s fired? WTF!?


    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
  45. Even though I’m sitting in front of a Linux machine (oops, a “GNU/Linux” machine) I’m finding it impossible to care about this. I’m not an academic and have no influence in academia. If “our” universities and other institutions want to promote people like Selam Gano then let them have them, full blast. An academic getting “cancelled” is like an industrial accident at a car bomb factory. It’s hard to feel too sad about it.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  46. Something I’d like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy’s retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He’ll be fine. Barth’s article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he’s “waddling” around MIT or not, and it won’t make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It’s full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who’s been reading missives from the Socialist Workers’ Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    “But what about the principle!” you say… Well, what of it? Hasn’t this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It’s only now that the “Brights” are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that’s a shame, because by now there aren’t going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I’d say don’t waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He’s nothing of the sort. He’s more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    • Disagree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Jake
    When high IQ Asperger types care to notice politics and the kulturkampf, the vast majority side Left. The main reason is that they see themselves as bullied nice guys and assume that because they do not complain loudly about being bullied means that Numinous Negroes (and Jews and Mohammedans and feminists and gays) also surely would not lie about such things.

    The emotional/social immaturity of Aspeger's means that they think about such matters like naive 10 or 12 or maybe 14 year old boys.
    , @mikeInThe716
    Yeah, those are excellent points about Stallman. I share your ZFG attitude towards those on the left mistakenly caught in jaws of cancel culture.

    I find woke corporate tech types especially grating. Invoking a cringe by quietly pointing out the lack of certain ethnicities in their departments is fun.

    That said, Jack Baruth is a great writer and car guy.
    , @Pericles
    Well, yes. Stallman furthermore flung himself into the abyss with the low-tier argument 'she was asking for it and looked 18'. It's an amazing sense of ethnic loyalty, isn't it?

    However, I do think it's odd that Marvin Minsky got accused. While I never met him, Minsky never struck me as someone wrestling with his crotch.
    , @J.Ross
    Surely leftist witchfinders will be satisfied with their latest kill.
    , @Peter Johnson
    I accept some of what you say, but Stallman's case is important, and pushing hard on it could nudge policies back toward sanity. A substantial number of the best twentieth century mathematicians (e.g., Paul Erdos, G.H. Hardy), and many other important scientists and engineers, could not get hired and/or could not keep their jobs if they were transported (with their ASD and other quirks intact) to the current day. What knowledge is being lost through these witch hunts for bad-think.

    Note that Stallman's offending statement was well-meaning and logically structured -- it just violated political norms. What a horrid precedent for the future of scientific curiosity and free thought.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, I invented something that was revolutionary and solved a major problem that NSF had funded a major program to solve. I published it in a refereed journal, put a complete verification of it in the literature for that field, and traveled to various places (including UC Berkeley) to anounce it.

    The entire field turned against me. Nobody looked at the proofs. Nobody contacted me in any way (except NSF, who wanted to fund further research). The institution at which I was then working proved incapable of running the simulation software I needed (they didn't have FortranIV, then state of the art in production software), and the administration was so hostile that what I'd been told would be a "friendly" call from the Dean started off with him saying "Just who do you think you are?".

    So I left the field. As I said, I don't walk into ambushes and I don't stay in kill zones. Nor do I work with thugs. Rules of thumb, don't you know.

    And the discovery has never been used. Tough luck society, you shouldn't have tried the ambush (and should not have tried to maintain the status quo). From my standpoint, I have a family and Stallman doesn't. From the reader's standpoint, the society in which they live is worse than it would otherwise be. Again, too bad, and you the reader should change society (or want to change society) so that new developments don't trigger an ambush.

    And that's the reason the attacks on Richard Stallman are important. If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff, if fighting for your life is a reward for discovery that will benefit society, then your pool of those who work to discover new things will be small indeed. That's one of the reasons that science and engineering have largely stagnated since c.a. AD 1970.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Jack D
    Better late than never?

    "First they came for the ..." doesn't usually work to arouse people because most people don't give a shit until their ox is being gored. Harvey Weinstein, etc. is as shrewd as they come and can afford top notch legal talent. But people (rightly) have the feeling that rms is an autist, a naif exactly like Turing and he is going to end up like Turing unless people speak up for him. Yes, so far he's not in prison (yet) and has only lost some prestigious titles and isn't living on the street YET, but this is no thanks to Selam - if it was within her power (and soon it may be) this (or worse) would be his fate right now.


    It's an even bigger irony (not that idiots like Selam have any self-awareness or sense of irony) that Turing is a hero of the left because he was a GAY autist. If rms was gay (he might as well be) and had confined himself to advocating for sexual freedom for gay men, they would have left him completely alone. In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren't supposed to have any sort of freedom.
    , @Mike O
    "Something I’d like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so."

    Things are only going to get worse now that we've lost Taylor Swift.
    , @AnotherDad

    Now, take as look at his own website. It’s full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who’s been reading missives from the Socialist Workers’ Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.
     
    Expecting any sort of political intelligence from tech types is a fools errand.

    In my experience if they aren't puerile leftists, they are puerile libertarians. There is the "it has to work" aspect to software, so it isn't as ridiculous as social science or our legal and political establishment. But compared to harder engineering it does have a virtual/fantasy "we can spin up anything" vibe that is not conducive to grounded thinking about "limits" or "reality".

    Still the real problem--and real tragedy--is that our social science/history/political/legal people have been corrupted by the minoritarian virus. They--not nerds--are the people who are supposed to be guardians of clear thinking--grounded in reality, grounded in our traditions--about human nature and society and hence guardians of our civilization. And instead they are agents working to tear our civilization down.
    , @Alden
    So Stallman’s an anti White liberal? He can go to hell with all the other liberals then. I learn so much from other UNZ commenters.
    , @Rush
    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.
  47. seriously, FUCK boomer computer dorks.

    I hope they all get fucking metooed. Not a single one of them ever stood up for white men even once.

    • Agree: MarkinLA
    • Replies: @Steve2
    I am such a person, Boomer etc. A ridiculous lying screed was presented against white, Protestant males in a large public meeting where I worked. An assertion was made about a wonderful environment of inclusion for them in the past. I pointed out that such people had been publicly murdered at their main plant in years past. I faced *consequences* of a negative sort for actually speaking about those events. I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.
  48. I like how he calls Stallman ‘mentally ill’, I don’t think severe Autism counts as that anymore?

    But more to the point, since they insist on displaying physically, in choices of fashion, body modification (Septum piercing being functionally diagnostic) and hair style (Changing the colour regularly and certain hair styles) in demonstrating their severe and untreated BPD, are we ever going to acknowledge this?

    Since the advent of social media, young women have become the primary participants in online discussion and young women with no partner are obviously possessed with more time and angst to participate. The old world was composed of men (Remember the not too distant past when the joke was ‘There are no girls on the internet’?) and moreso men more prone to intellectual debate and interest in technology arguing anonymously on message boards and failing to ever convince each other of anything.

    The world belongs to those who show up and the archetypes of male and female ‘power users’ of the internet are the male with Aspergers and the female with BPD. The edges of the Overton Window on the internet are defined by these two extremes.

    TL:DR
    The debates on the internet that emerged after GamerGate are just Aspergers syndrome and BPD shouting at each other.

    • Replies: @res

    The world belongs to those who show up and the archetypes of male and female ‘power users’ of the internet are the male with Aspergers and the female with BPD. The edges of the Overton Window on the internet are defined by these two extremes.

    TL:DR
    The debates on the internet that emerged after GamerGate are just Aspergers syndrome and BPD shouting at each other.
     
    Interesting idea. Seems to me it contains a disturbing amount of truth.
  49. Woke Capital: not a particularly big fan of open-source competition.

  50. Overlooked is that this is another example of a Jewish guy born 1940-1960 publicly defending another Jewish guy being inappropriate with a very young Shiksa…

    Why do they keep doing that?

  51. I like how the media has turned this whole Epstein affair into a series of crimes against unfortunate seventeen year old whores.

    No, they were just there to pick up a check. Really. Just whores.

    The real problem is that these arrangements were used to compromise prominent men–Minsky among the least of them–but more seriously men like Bill Clinton. That’s the problem. The media is avoiding the real issue in its usual, determined, from-the-top, lockstep way.

    • Agree: Aft
  52. Why doesn’t he just move to Russia or China or literally any country east of the former Iron Curtain? It would be easier for everyone, and it makes the extermination of the retards easier, for you don’t have to be selective

  53. @Jack D
    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being "on the spectrum" or in earlier times, having Asperger's Syndrome:

    Asperger's syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger's may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.
     
    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The "she" is just PC crap by WebMD - Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic - it's really a guy thing).

    There are girls who fit ‘Asperger’s, but the ratio is about 9 or 10 to 1 male.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Like most forms of "exotic" mental chemistry, it is predominantly male. But it also manifests differently: I read papers on the subject about a decade ago, when I was diagnosed. Apparently girls with ASD have social intuition on the level of an average boy. Markedly lower than normal girls, which can lead to social isolation from other girls, but they can pass off as tomboys or loners or preferring the company of adults. The boys have social intuition markedly lower than the average boy, on the other hand, which means they are a lot more likely to be completely isolated and stand out to everybody.

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn't share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I'm convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine. That's not the whole story, of course: it's genuinely tougher to get employment if you struggle to tell lies and don't make social connections easily in the 21st Century. But that's definitely part of it.

  54. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    When high IQ Asperger types care to notice politics and the kulturkampf, the vast majority side Left. The main reason is that they see themselves as bullied nice guys and assume that because they do not complain loudly about being bullied means that Numinous Negroes (and Jews and Mohammedans and feminists and gays) also surely would not lie about such things.

    The emotional/social immaturity of Aspeger’s means that they think about such matters like naive 10 or 12 or maybe 14 year old boys.

  55. Stallman, Epstein, Minsky, Woody Allen, Singer, David Blaine, Michael Douglas, David Copperfield, Louis CK, Franken, Ken Friedman, Jeff Franklin, Halperin, Israel Horovitz, Dustin Hoffman, Andrew Kreisberg, Joel Kramer, Knight Landesman, Max Landis, Lauer, James Levine, Stan Lee, Paul Marciano, Richard Meier, Moonves, Jeremy Piven, Brett Ratner, Geraldo Rivera, Terry Richardson, James Rosen, Eric Schneiderman, Lorin Stein, Ari Shavit, Nev Schulman, Steven Seagal, Oliver Stone, James Toback, Weinstein, Tambor, Glenn Thrush, Matthew Weiner, Leon Wieseltier, Steve Wynn etc etc…

    Is there a pattern here? I don’t know if you noticed, but there’s a awful lot of Jews. What’s with that? Is there an organised attempt to unseat Jews from cultural and business positions, or are Jews more likely to behave this way? Or is it that there are so many in power?

  56. This reminds of a recent incident in Canada. A super wonky and aspy member of parliament named Erin Weir was accused of sexual harassment. It turns out he was just a socially awkward close-talker, but his name was dragged through the mud and he was kicked out of his parties caucus.

  57. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Yeah, those are excellent points about Stallman. I share your ZFG attitude towards those on the left mistakenly caught in jaws of cancel culture.

    I find woke corporate tech types especially grating. Invoking a cringe by quietly pointing out the lack of certain ethnicities in their departments is fun.

    That said, Jack Baruth is a great writer and car guy.

  58. It appears that the author is searching-for, or avoiding the phrases:

    ‘Open Source Coding’ & ‘Idiot Savant’

    Otherwise, well written, & timely.

  59. “In true Stallman fashion, this was

    a) absolutely correct from a logical perspective;
    b) mind-blowingly stupid from a perspective of The Current Year.”

    Here’s a little M3 logic:

    1.Comment was “mind blowingly stupid from a perspective of The Current Year.”

    2.The perspective of The Current Year is already mind blowingly stupid.

    3.The two mind blowingly stupid things cancel each other out.

    4.We are left with point a): Absolutely correct from a logical standpoint.

    Jack Baruth doesn’t make clear whether or not he understands how conceding the framing of the issue into the leftists’ terms (the left decides what is and isn’t acceptable current year perspective) leads to losing the debate.

  60. Women are the natural and eternal enemies of the White beta male. Neil Degrasse Tyson was not purged for worse.

    But he’s Black.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.
  61. (((Stallman))) speaking up for (((Minsky))) should surprise absolutely nobody. He would have done the same if (((Minsky))) ate that whore, because inter-tribe preference is the defining principle here, not (((Stallman`s))) assburgerism.

    And he wasn`t in the open source alone, far from it, and had nothing to do with Apple – Woz did that all on his own.

  62. So, which university or corporation will be sufficiently indifferent to the political winds to take him on?

  63. In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com.

    ITYM Linus Thorvalds of Linux. Or possibly the BSD guys. Or maybe even the UNIX guys before them. Though Stallman was at least non-autistic enough to rebrand this as ‘GNU/Linux’ and run with it.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser.

    Marc Andreesen wrote Mosaic and founded Netscape. (Though neither was a solo job, of course.)

    Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

    I, non-UMC, was given my first home computers some years before 1985, a cheap VIC-20 followed by a Commodore 64.

    No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

    Modern Windows was inspired by VMS (Dave Cutler). VMS + 1 = WNT.

    So there’s not a lot right with the above. I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license.

     

    Using it is without charge but you have to accept a viral load, I suppose much the same concept as Grindr.
    , @Anonymous
    No one person is ever indispensible, the laws of physics invariably have everything else derive from them. But, clearly, rms is one of the more significant figures of computational history.

    Open source is not necessarily "socialist": it is voluntary and many programmers who work on it have substantially materially benefitted. Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He's living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well. Sometimes companies pay a lot of money to develop software they then open source.

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel, so that once you had a freely distributable kernel that worked on a popularly available commodity microcomputer, you then had a full free Unix. Torvalds wrote a kernel to show his professor that his opinion on microkernels had merit and put it out for free, then realized you could then have a full software suite you could hand out for free that made a 486 PC work more or less like the coveted Sun workstation. It didn't kill Microsoft but it was a major contributor to eventually letting the air out of Sun's (and the rest of the workstation vendors') tires.

    What Linux did for Windows users was to force Microsoft into upping its game considerably. Windows before about Windows 2000 sucked donkey dick and everyone knew it. They came up with NT4, then Win 2000 and Windows server, then Win XP, because they felt the heat from the possibility that someone might figure out how to market free software in a consumo friendly package and undercut them.
    , @Pericles

    I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

     

    After reading up on this, it seems I'll have to amend the above statement a bit. This is from one of the guys present at the time, Dan Weinreb (now deceased):

    And while I'm setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.

     

    Steele and Moon were legendary hackers so I'll believe it. Emacs has had a fraught history afterwards as well (now that I've reminded myself, I think I've used at least three different versions on conventional hardware but GNU Emacs has had the greatest longevity). I guess I'll give Stallman GCC at least.
  64. I was thinking the same thing, and how the current zeitgeist will seem to be barbaric in their treatment of those on the spectrum in 50 years.

  65. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Well, yes. Stallman furthermore flung himself into the abyss with the low-tier argument ‘she was asking for it and looked 18’. It’s an amazing sense of ethnic loyalty, isn’t it?

    However, I do think it’s odd that Marvin Minsky got accused. While I never met him, Minsky never struck me as someone wrestling with his crotch.

  66. The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb.

    Not trying to diminish Stallman’s importance- this is over the top nonsense. No need to elaborate on this.

  67. Disagree on the bit about potential — having a reserve capacity of potential is important, since the more the population has the greater probability that an individual will be in the right place at the right time to leverage it. Holding innate ability steady, achievement really is mostly about luck — hence, individual achievement is luck-based while population achievement, in the long run, is more inherent. This chick, needless to say, has no such potential at all.

  68. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Johnson
    The humiliation of Richard Stallman needs to be confronted, exposed and publicized wherever possible. He has ASD (autistic spectrum disorder) and deserves better: an ASD person is being attacked for speaking honestly without malice in a socially inept way. Unlike in many other recent SJW/antifa outrages, there is no way anyone can be accused of racism, sexism, anti-transgenderism for speaking up. In fact, those who have humiliated him have attacked "the mentally handicapped" a protected group who get big Wokemon Points. One can even pose as an SJW while defending Stallman.

    Time to make a huge fuss.

    The humiliation of Richard Stallman needs to be confronted, exposed and publicized wherever possible. He has ASD (autistic spectrum disorder) and deserves better: an ASD person is being attacked for speaking honestly without malice in a socially inept way. Unlike in many other recent SJW/antifa outrages, there is no way anyone can be accused of racism, sexism, anti-transgenderism for speaking up. In fact, those who have humiliated him have attacked “the mentally handicapped” a protected group who get big Wokemon Points. One can even pose as an SJW while defending Stallman.

    Time to make a huge fuss.

    Nope. Not on the basis you propose. That will only implicitly endorse the “SJW” rules.

    Defend him on the basis that what he said was true (if it was true).

  69. The line from A Few Good Men doesn’t fit perfectly because Stallman is enormous (and, I guess, can run fast), but is still appropriate:

    Galloway: Why do you hate them so much?
    Weinberg: They picked on a weakling. That’s all they did, all right? The rest of this is just smoke-filled coffeehouse [stuff]. They tortured and tormented a weaker kid. They didn’t like him — so they killed him. And why? Because he couldn’t run very fast!

  70. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Surely leftist witchfinders will be satisfied with their latest kill.

  71. @Jack D
    Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*y-rZe_dqpK2_dN2k.jpg

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A "team" of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I'm pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    Good grief. I am the belief that orienting society around the hurt feelings of affirmative action dimwits is a really bad idea. Why is someone like this awful woman even in this country, much less having her tantrums acknowledged?

    We need a Secretary of Deportation at the cabinet level, asap.

  72. @El Dato
    Reminder that there is a "Me Me Me" writeup demanding immediate Robespierrian purges to make the world a better place for women and the minorities. Which I find really appalling for some reason. I'm probably too oldthinker.

    Remove Richard Stallman. And everyone else horrible in tech.


    I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work.
     
    and

    Remove Richard Stallman: Appendix A: The stories of thirty years of MIT women alumni.


    What I did not know when I wrote this post (again, being a software-ignorant mechanical engineer) was how it would touch a nerve with women in the free software community and computer science in general.

     

    (She is in Robotics. Why doesn't she know much about software?)

    In high school, people joked frequently that I was good at math, “nerdy”, and played in the orchestra because I am Asian. I did not like this because it implied I did not have to work to achieve those things. When I was accepted to MIT, they then told me that I was admitted only because of affirmative action, since I am African.
     
    Man.

    (Medium giving you access trouble and demanding that you sign up to surveillance capitalist outfits like Google and Facebook? NoScript is your friend!)

    Reminder that there is a “Me Me Me” writeup demanding immediate Robespierrian purges to make the world a better place for women and the minorities.

    And she has a martial bent about the thing:

    [regarding mansplainers] in my mind, I stand up and I scream at them. I would put my hands around their shoulders and shake sense into all of them, individually, if I had enough time and enough hands

    I am ready, now, to join others in calling for burning everything to the ground.

    If this is what MIT wants to defend; if this is what MIT wants to stand for, then, yes, burn it to the ground.

    Rather telling that, later in the screed, she relates that she has been personally well treated by men in her life and at MIT in particular; she’s just responding to all the historical wrongs that require everything to be burned to the ground.

    In the appendix, she is sure to mention MIT and slavery, and how she is a woman of color who has had to struggle beyond what others can imagine.

    I suppose it is the usual cant from that crowd, but they are sure not to use ammo on their heroes: Bill Clinton, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and MLK have done and said things far beyond Stallman, but no peep from the crowd.

  73. @Dave Pinsen
    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.

    Back in the early days of the Paleo diet fad, there was also a group who claimed that if you stopped bathing you would go through a period of smelliness, but that would pass and you would come out on the other side not having to bathe but without BO.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    The bathing thing might be the proverbial bridge too far, but I can anecdotally support that not washing your hair (with shampoo) results in a week of funky hair, and then hair that is entirely normal, glossy and shiny. (I still wash it, just not with shampoo. Hot water ftw.)
    , @Anonymous
    The smelliest I ever was was once when in "the field" (actually it was just Queeny Park in St. Louis County, but we had no access to the showers, the GIRL Scouts got those) for 2 1/2 weeks I never showered. I stunk, but the worst was when I got home, showered and actually used Tide in places, and two days later I stunk worse yet. The body replaces the smelly stuff with more smelly stuff when it's used to stinking, I guess. It was a week of showering every day before I smelled right to myself or anyone near by.
  74. I don’t know much about Stallman and his work, but I can tell you from personal experience that the university has become completely Sovietized. This is no joke and no exaggeration. In the 1970 and 1980s when I was a student, the prevailing attitude toward academics was that they were socially inept and maybe even a little bit crazy, but this was to be tolerated because the benefits of their intellect ultimately outweighed their social nonconformity.

    No more.

    In the Soviet Union, there were some very intelligent people, but their work had to be completely subordinate to the party line. Any social or political misstep, or suspicion that they were secretly bourgeois, would result in the loss of their position and their prestige, and everything they said or did was policed by low-level party apparatchiks, dullards and bureaucratic ideologues.

    That is precisely where the contemporary American university is today. Just recently I have been informed that a complaint has been filed against me for mis-identifying a transgender student. It was a completely honest mistake, but it does not matter. I fully expect that I will be “unpersonned ” and defenestrated from an adjunct position that pays about minimum wage (and for which I am overqualified) and replaced with someone who enthusiastically embraces the party line.

    If you do not wholeheartedly embrace the postmodern race/class/gender/transgender/gay ideology, teaching in the contemporary university is like working with a gun to your head. Any slight misstep and you’re done. Even trying to keep your mouth shut and keeping to yourself is not enough. You must actively promote the contemporary ideology to be safe. While we may not have physical labor camps in Siberia (yet), I assure you that we are living in a virtual gulag.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @dfordoom

    You must actively promote the contemporary ideology to be safe. While we may not have physical labor camps in Siberia (yet), I assure you that we are living in a virtual gulag.
     
    And the great thing about it from the globalist/SJW point of view is that there's no need for the state to be involved directly. Private corporations and various other institutions will do the persecuting. So the government can say hey it's OK, you still have the First Amendment. In practice the First Amendment is now almost worthless but actually repealing it would have political costs. But there's no need to repeal it.

    And conservatives are happy because they don't have to take a stand. They can pretend that freedom of speech still exists.

    The conservatives are the ones most deserving of contempt.

    And what exactly has Trump done about any of this?
  75. A society run by the sentiments of women (a sub-species of herd animals) is doomed to failure. Good thing tptb are only using this herd of idiots to police the free speech in our culture. Imagine if women actually did engineering, computer science, mathematics, etc. Oh, they lack the I.Q. curve that men have that prevents women from having genius level IQ’s.
    Thanks Mother Nature!
    I am unable to take this sort of thing very seriously as there are much bigger fish to fry and my personal solution to women who get easily offended is to blow their doors off with facts, readily available due to near genius level IQ and decades of contemplation and study, or to engage the attractive ones with a combination of reality and genuine charm that ends well for both parties.
    I suggest other men behave in a similiar fashion: this is actually a defining difference being being genetically male and being a man. Imperviousness to insanity is a solid approach as is totally justified arrogance and a complete disregard for others ‘hurt feelings’. I care not what idiots think and neither should any man. Only the weak cower in the face of social insanity and cultural marxism.
    The modern left has attacked Masculinity so that its’ masters, tptb, can have greater and greater power. Fuck them . Your choice is to laugh right in it’s face or to cower and cave.
    Choose wisely.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Alden
    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?
  76. @Calvin Hobbes
    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and -- deeper in his past -- about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    The more Stallmans get thrown to the mob, the fewer really important people need be sacrificed. Epstein was pimping girls to lots of wealthy and powerful people. Not RMS, but hey, he’s easier to cancel than some billionaire with tons of lawyers and PR people on staff.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    This needs to be pointed out more often. MSM is a lot more interested in going after someone who can't fight back. Intrepid journalists peaking the truth to power!
    \
    I could add politicians to that. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump both have connections to Epstein, and given the reputations of both men, I do not see it as out of the question that they ended up having sex with underage girls at these gatherings. I'm sure they aren't alone.
  77. @Lot
    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/243/214/45b.jpg

    This bar graph titled “Windows” is unintelligible, because it has no caption explaining what the numbers mean. And why are the bars not bars but three-dimensional parallelepipeds?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If you don't know what's polluting that x-axis then I am very jealous of you.
    , @kihowi
    It could have been a joke, Richard.
    , @Jack D
    OMG, it's a joke. The missing axis label is "Windows version #'s" and the graph is meant to humorously illustrate the lack of consistency in the Windows numbering system.

    Version names for consumer software are market driven and don't follow a consistent 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, etc. scheme pleasing to autists.

  78. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    I accept some of what you say, but Stallman’s case is important, and pushing hard on it could nudge policies back toward sanity. A substantial number of the best twentieth century mathematicians (e.g., Paul Erdos, G.H. Hardy), and many other important scientists and engineers, could not get hired and/or could not keep their jobs if they were transported (with their ASD and other quirks intact) to the current day. What knowledge is being lost through these witch hunts for bad-think.

    Note that Stallman’s offending statement was well-meaning and logically structured — it just violated political norms. What a horrid precedent for the future of scientific curiosity and free thought.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Anon7
    Exactly. I’d point out that, as far as “witch hunts”, it’s the witches doing the hunting. And going after brilliant men who are four or more standard deviations from the mean is like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course they give technically correct answers to questions.

    The hatred for masculinity will burn until we reassert ourselves, or Western Civ will be a dim (and forbidden) memory.
    , @Bill
    Was Paul Erdos ever really hired? Wasn't he a permanent visiting professor, wandering from university to university?
  79. When you read more about Stallman and see the photo of the name plate on his office door inviting in “hot ladies,” it’s actually hard to believe he made it this long in academia. Maybe he’ll be happier without MIT.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    It's because liberals viewed him as the anti-Gates or anti-Ellison say fifteen years ago, back when that's what's liberals then cared about.
  80. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Calvin Hobbes
    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and -- deeper in his past -- about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    Actually, the real story is a Jewish guy (Stallman) makes a remark defending a fellow Jewish guy (Minsky) who made the mistake of having sex with a shiksa procured for him by a fellow Jewish guy (Epstein), and thus they end up up on the large burn pile of almost 100% Jewish men who have been #meetood by angry shiksas tired of dealing with Jewish men and their relentless lust for shiksas.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    Life imitates Seinfeld!
    , @SFG
    OK, but would you want to date Jewish women?
    , @Alan Mercer
    Take it easy, guy. Three jews in a pod does not a jewish pod make. The bell rings clear when the cat draws near, and this is no such instance. The cause is injured by reckless claims of conspiracy so save it for when it's warranted. If you're not shilling for zion, you've got some strategic recalibration to do.
  81. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, I invented something that was revolutionary and solved a major problem that NSF had funded a major program to solve. I published it in a refereed journal, put a complete verification of it in the literature for that field, and traveled to various places (including UC Berkeley) to anounce it.

    The entire field turned against me. Nobody looked at the proofs. Nobody contacted me in any way (except NSF, who wanted to fund further research). The institution at which I was then working proved incapable of running the simulation software I needed (they didn’t have FortranIV, then state of the art in production software), and the administration was so hostile that what I’d been told would be a “friendly” call from the Dean started off with him saying “Just who do you think you are?”.

    So I left the field. As I said, I don’t walk into ambushes and I don’t stay in kill zones. Nor do I work with thugs. Rules of thumb, don’t you know.

    And the discovery has never been used. Tough luck society, you shouldn’t have tried the ambush (and should not have tried to maintain the status quo). From my standpoint, I have a family and Stallman doesn’t. From the reader’s standpoint, the society in which they live is worse than it would otherwise be. Again, too bad, and you the reader should change society (or want to change society) so that new developments don’t trigger an ambush.

    And that’s the reason the attacks on Richard Stallman are important. If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff, if fighting for your life is a reward for discovery that will benefit society, then your pool of those who work to discover new things will be small indeed. That’s one of the reasons that science and engineering have largely stagnated since c.a. AD 1970.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Bill
    Curious what you did after leaving academia.
    , @Anonymous

    If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff
     
    What does "stand the gaff" mean?
  82. @Jack D
    Selam Gano (2nd from Left) looks exactly like you would expect her to look:

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*y-rZe_dqpK2_dN2k.jpg

    Some kind of Heinz 57 no talent mischling.

    A "team" of a million Selams pounding away at their keyboards for a lifetime could not produce what Stallman has produced all by himself and she and Moochelle are too Dunning-Krugerish to know it.

    As I said before, the only way you could really still Stallman would be Mao style with a bullet. Our Cultural Revolutionaries are not up to that yet. Yet, although I'm pretty sure Selam would have no qualms if the Revolution so demanded. Otherwise, even if he had to do it at the free terminal at the public library, he would still be doing his thing. Even if his material possessions were reduced to 1 dashiki he would do it.

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar? No one in Russia cares what Grigori Perelman thinks about devochki.

    She wears a big MIT shirt. Funny. MIT only has the reputation that it does because of the White males that preceded her there. It’s not like the letters MIT have some kind of mystical power over technology. She rides on their reputation and then wants to destroy them. And when they are gone, her MIT shirt will be worthless.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    You are wrong. Selam wear mystic symbols, propitiate appropriate funkopops, and do dance of ancients. The connectivity spirits will appear without fail after big dance.
    , @Bill
    Doubtful. MIT can't lose its prestige merely by sucking any more. It's like Harvard that way. The whole thing has to come down first.

    If Silicon Valley continues to produce one comical fraud after another, can it lose its prestige? I think so, but I'm not sure.
  83. U.S. Orders 2 Universities to Recast Tone on Israel

    The Education Department has ordered Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to remake the Middle East studies program run jointly by the two schools after concluding that it was offering students a biased curriculum that, among other complaints, did not present enough “positive” imagery of Judaism and Christianity in the region.

    In a rare instance of federal intervention in college course content, the department asserted that the universities’ Middle East program violated the standards of a federal program that awards funding to international studies and foreign language programs. The inquiry was part of a far-reaching investigation into the program by the department, which under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has become increasingly aggressive in going after perceived anti-Israel bias in higher education.

    That focus appears to reflect the views of an agency leadership that includes a civil rights chief, Kenneth L. Marcus, who has made a career of pro-Israel advocacy and has waged a yearslong campaign to delegitimize and defund Middle East studies programs that he has criticized as rife with anti-Israel bias.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-orders-2-universities-recast-122858336.html

    Gosh, if only the Trump Administration had similar feelings regarding anti-White academic programs…….

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Altai
    It's getting crazy. Everyone acts like it's Stalin giving a speech in the US congress whenever Netanyahu (Or, let's face it, even a milquetoast Israeli PM) gives a speech.

    https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/947640509886951424

    US commanders say their duty is to die defending Israel.

    "We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that - as every conflict, we train for and enter, there is always that possibility," Clark said, highlighting that U.S. soldiers should be prepared to die for the Jewish state.
     
    Several US states propose making expressions of criticisms of the actions of the Israeli state illegal. Ie, the first amendment has survived everything but the Israel lobby.

    Florida has passed a new law to redefine anti-Semitism.

    Under the state’s legislation, it would be illegal to speak out in public institutions against Israel’s human rights violations.

    Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis signed the state bill while on an official trip to Israel and the occupied West Bank. During his trip, DeSantis visited Ariel University located in a settlement in the West Bank, which is illegal under international law.
     
    I can't find the quote but I think I got a federal US politician essentially saying that the US should protect Israel even if that meant the destruction of the US itself.
    , @nebulafox
    It's a helluva damn thing when your supposedly nationalist leaders are indeed being nationalists... for another country.
  84. Whatever he, Minsky, ilk have,
    they should not be pursuing AI.
    No one should.
    AI development needs to be handled
    same as holocaust questioning.
    Go to prison, unemployment line.

    Tried to post video of RS,
    but was replaced before
    i had completed comment.
    Strange.

  85. “a) Minsky had no way to know the girl was 17, not 18 ;”

    He could’ve asked the girl’s age. Also, the girl wasn’t his wife, (or partner, GF, whatever) now was she? And of course the obvious: What the hell was Minsky doing on a private island banging a girl young enough to be his great-grandaughter? If it was all on the up and up?

    Perhaps common sense really does elude Stallman.

    “b) she had been coerced by Epstein out of Minsky’s presence and might well have appeared to be entirely willing.”

    In the eyes of the law, statuatory trumps consent. Again, a lack of common sense on Stallman’s part. After all, what the hell was Minsky doing on a private island with a girl not even remotely close to his own age?

    Having a mental illness should not automatically always excuse someone in life; of course if the individual is part of the elite in IQ/income and has contributed mightily to society, then of course the rules change.

    It must be nice to receive verbal fellatio of this magnitude in print every time someone screws up in public. Either the individual writer is a fairly low life individual, a hack, or has a price (as most people do in point of fact). In other words, the extreme right side of the Bell Curve in IQ/income, can pretty much always expect that numerous people will come to their defense no matter their actions.

    Suppose Stallman as on the left side of the Bell Curve, and had not established himself in any endeavor of life. Would this individual have written a glowing piece of verbal fellatio praising him? Obviously not.

    It’s good to be the king. Or at least distinguished enough on the Right Side to have hacks do their rehabilitation for them. And Stallman didn’t even have to pay to have this done.

    Amazin’.

    • Replies: @readmorewriteless
    Age of consent was 16 at he time in US Virgin Islands. Not statutory rape.

    https://stjohnsource.com/2002/02/01/child-protection-act-finally-wins-senate-ok/
  86. Off topic:

    Is THE GREAT REPLACEMNT-WHITE GENOCIDE Real?

    I give you the SIHK LILLY SINGH…..LATE NIGHT WITH LILLY SINGH…..it’s on NBC….

    Did you see her opening monologue Steve….It certainty deserves a post from you….

  87. @Peter Johnson
    I accept some of what you say, but Stallman's case is important, and pushing hard on it could nudge policies back toward sanity. A substantial number of the best twentieth century mathematicians (e.g., Paul Erdos, G.H. Hardy), and many other important scientists and engineers, could not get hired and/or could not keep their jobs if they were transported (with their ASD and other quirks intact) to the current day. What knowledge is being lost through these witch hunts for bad-think.

    Note that Stallman's offending statement was well-meaning and logically structured -- it just violated political norms. What a horrid precedent for the future of scientific curiosity and free thought.

    Exactly. I’d point out that, as far as “witch hunts”, it’s the witches doing the hunting. And going after brilliant men who are four or more standard deviations from the mean is like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course they give technically correct answers to questions.

    The hatred for masculinity will burn until we reassert ourselves, or Western Civ will be a dim (and forbidden) memory.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    The hatred for masculinity will burn until we reassert ourselves, or Western Civ will be a dim (and forbidden) memory.
     
    The hatred will last as long as the money does. It's profitable to hate men, as much as it used to be to "fight poverty". The money ran out in 2008 for a time, but that was fixed for urban areas (not rural areas). Next time, fixing it will be considerably more difficult, perhaps impossible.

    When their money runs out, the women will will run from a dead broke government to what they think is a powerful man (Bernadette Dohrn in her Weather Underground phase might be considered an archetype).

    Happens every time, but the money has to run out first. What we have now is just an attempt to court the most powerful entity around: the Federal Government's most powerful political faction.

    Counterinsurgency.
  88. @Calvin Hobbes
    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:

    Another Epstein-Related Resignation
    Free Software Foundation founder and MIT visiting professor Richard Stallman steps down over controversial remarks about the Epstein case and -- deeper in his past -- about pedophilia.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/18/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-leaves-mit-amid-controversial-remarks-about

    Comments closed, though.

    Calling this resignation “Epstein related” is as criminally dishonest as describing the story of Trump pointing out Biden family corruption in Ukraine as “whistleblowing,” “another Trump gaffe,” or “more trouble for Trump from Russia.” It’s not as perfectly-Orwellianishly backwards but every low-information person hearing it will picture Stallman on the plane with Bill Clinton, which is a criminal misrepresentation.

  89. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    This bar graph titled "Windows" is unintelligible, because it has no caption explaining what the numbers mean. And why are the bars not bars but three-dimensional parallelepipeds?

    If you don’t know what’s polluting that x-axis then I am very jealous of you.

  90. If only Minsky and the 17 year old girl had been in New England, where every state’s age of consent is 16. In fact only 11 states have 18 as the age of consent. Funny how the woke Left wants to call sex with a 17 yr old child rape, but then has no problem with a 5 yr old getting pumped full of hormone blockers because the child “decides” to be a different gender.

  91. @Bill P
    Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools. But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    This sort of open source creativity would be impossible over there.

    >Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools.

    One I worked had a portrait of Richard Nixon, among others.

    >But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    I’m not so much referring to Stallman so much as some Damore type who just wants interesting math and code to work on, and has gotten in trouble because he stated that men and women aren’t the same.

    The thing that people need to understand here is that most of these guys are apolitical, or at the very least view politics as a distant second to science or tech and will do what is necessary to get the politicians off their proverbial private parts. (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.) They just want to be left alone to do interesting stuff, and will voice anything within reason that lets them do that. So, the Chinese know they aren’t going to be leading demonstrations for democracy by the embassy, and they have absolutely no qualms with a lack of social skills or woke attitudes. If anything, they’ll want the brilliant but socially inept young American man to marry a local woman and raise future mildly autistic generations that are literally capable of doing nothing but working with monomanical focus on everything from engineering stem cells to supercomputers.

    (There are Chinese startups that have hired young, single, pretty “cheerleaders” to get the coders to work harder. No, I don’t think they’d have an issue with Damore at all.)

    No, I don’t think Dick Stallman himself would be tolerated in the PRC-just look at the man’s website. But the guys who keep Silicon Valley running and who the HR ladies and MBAs look at with unvarnished contempt? Different story.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.)
     
    Oh, absolutely. Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces, even going so far as to convert to Christianity. Nothing he could do was good enough so in the end he left the country and was in the process of moving to Palestine when he died.
  92. @Jack D
    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being "on the spectrum" or in earlier times, having Asperger's Syndrome:

    Asperger's syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger's may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.
     
    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The "she" is just PC crap by WebMD - Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic - it's really a guy thing).

    It’s generally understood that although discussing most topics nonstop is a symptom of Asperger’s, discussing golf courses is an exception to that rule.

  93. @NOTA
    The more Stallmans get thrown to the mob, the fewer really important people need be sacrificed. Epstein was pimping girls to lots of wealthy and powerful people. Not RMS, but hey, he's easier to cancel than some billionaire with tons of lawyers and PR people on staff.

    This needs to be pointed out more often. MSM is a lot more interested in going after someone who can’t fight back. Intrepid journalists peaking the truth to power!
    \
    I could add politicians to that. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump both have connections to Epstein, and given the reputations of both men, I do not see it as out of the question that they ended up having sex with underage girls at these gatherings. I’m sure they aren’t alone.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Half right, if there was any real connection between him and Trump the media would never shut up about it, they talked about Russia and Putin for two years based on nothing but empty accusations from Hilary. Bill Clinton on the other hand seems very close to Epstein, so naturally the MSM just calls anyone who wants to investigate a conspiracy theorist.
    , @MarkinLA
    Trump is reported to have kicked him out of one of his clubs when he hit on a teen girl.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trump-kicked-clinton-buddy-jeffrey-epstein-out-of-mar-a-lago-after-incident-with-girl/
  94. @syonredux
    U.S. Orders 2 Universities to Recast Tone on Israel

    The Education Department has ordered Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to remake the Middle East studies program run jointly by the two schools after concluding that it was offering students a biased curriculum that, among other complaints, did not present enough “positive” imagery of Judaism and Christianity in the region.
     

    In a rare instance of federal intervention in college course content, the department asserted that the universities’ Middle East program violated the standards of a federal program that awards funding to international studies and foreign language programs. The inquiry was part of a far-reaching investigation into the program by the department, which under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has become increasingly aggressive in going after perceived anti-Israel bias in higher education.
     

    That focus appears to reflect the views of an agency leadership that includes a civil rights chief, Kenneth L. Marcus, who has made a career of pro-Israel advocacy and has waged a yearslong campaign to delegitimize and defund Middle East studies programs that he has criticized as rife with anti-Israel bias.

     

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-orders-2-universities-recast-122858336.html


    Gosh, if only the Trump Administration had similar feelings regarding anti-White academic programs.......

    It’s getting crazy. Everyone acts like it’s Stalin giving a speech in the US congress whenever Netanyahu (Or, let’s face it, even a milquetoast Israeli PM) gives a speech.

    US commanders say their duty is to die defending Israel.

    “We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that – as every conflict, we train for and enter, there is always that possibility,” Clark said, highlighting that U.S. soldiers should be prepared to die for the Jewish state.

    Several US states propose making expressions of criticisms of the actions of the Israeli state illegal. Ie, the first amendment has survived everything but the Israel lobby.

    Florida has passed a new law to redefine anti-Semitism.

    Under the state’s legislation, it would be illegal to speak out in public institutions against Israel’s human rights violations.

    Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis signed the state bill while on an official trip to Israel and the occupied West Bank. During his trip, DeSantis visited Ariel University located in a settlement in the West Bank, which is illegal under international law.

    I can’t find the quote but I think I got a federal US politician essentially saying that the US should protect Israel even if that meant the destruction of the US itself.

  95. OT — these are the people who make our laws:

    “I’ve held an AR-15 in my hand, I wish I had it. It is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, a 50 caliber, these kinds of bullets, need to be licensed and do not need to be on the street,” the Texas congresswoman said in the clip.

    https://pluralist.com/sheila-jackson-lee-ar-15/

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    But won't her constituents, the National African American Gun Association, NAAGA, be pissed at The Man for making them license "these kinds of bullets?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CVIqASd9io
    , @anon
    Rep. Lee of Texas is very special. She once stated that the Constitution is 400 years old, and asked if the Mars rovers would be anywhere near the site where astronauts landed. No fake. True. Even the Daily Beast noticed.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-constitution-is-400-years-old-and-more-pearls-from-sheila-jackson-lee
  96. @syonredux
    U.S. Orders 2 Universities to Recast Tone on Israel

    The Education Department has ordered Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to remake the Middle East studies program run jointly by the two schools after concluding that it was offering students a biased curriculum that, among other complaints, did not present enough “positive” imagery of Judaism and Christianity in the region.
     

    In a rare instance of federal intervention in college course content, the department asserted that the universities’ Middle East program violated the standards of a federal program that awards funding to international studies and foreign language programs. The inquiry was part of a far-reaching investigation into the program by the department, which under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has become increasingly aggressive in going after perceived anti-Israel bias in higher education.
     

    That focus appears to reflect the views of an agency leadership that includes a civil rights chief, Kenneth L. Marcus, who has made a career of pro-Israel advocacy and has waged a yearslong campaign to delegitimize and defund Middle East studies programs that he has criticized as rife with anti-Israel bias.

     

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-orders-2-universities-recast-122858336.html


    Gosh, if only the Trump Administration had similar feelings regarding anti-White academic programs.......

    It’s a helluva damn thing when your supposedly nationalist leaders are indeed being nationalists… for another country.

  97. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    This bar graph titled "Windows" is unintelligible, because it has no caption explaining what the numbers mean. And why are the bars not bars but three-dimensional parallelepipeds?

    It could have been a joke, Richard.

  98. @nebulafox
    >Portraits of old, dead white males line the halls of Chinese schools.

    One I worked had a portrait of Richard Nixon, among others.

    >But honestly, I doubt Richard Stallman could have done it in China. He would have been ripped off from the very beginning and/or forced to work for someone with very different priorities.

    I'm not so much referring to Stallman so much as some Damore type who just wants interesting math and code to work on, and has gotten in trouble because he stated that men and women aren't the same.

    The thing that people need to understand here is that most of these guys are apolitical, or at the very least view politics as a distant second to science or tech and will do what is necessary to get the politicians off their proverbial private parts. (I'm reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.) They just want to be left alone to do interesting stuff, and will voice anything within reason that lets them do that. So, the Chinese know they aren't going to be leading demonstrations for democracy by the embassy, and they have absolutely no qualms with a lack of social skills or woke attitudes. If anything, they'll want the brilliant but socially inept young American man to marry a local woman and raise future mildly autistic generations that are literally capable of doing nothing but working with monomanical focus on everything from engineering stem cells to supercomputers.

    (There are Chinese startups that have hired young, single, pretty "cheerleaders" to get the coders to work harder. No, I don't think they'd have an issue with Damore at all.)

    No, I don't think Dick Stallman himself would be tolerated in the PRC-just look at the man's website. But the guys who keep Silicon Valley running and who the HR ladies and MBAs look at with unvarnished contempt? Different story.

    (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.)

    Oh, absolutely. Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces, even going so far as to convert to Christianity. Nothing he could do was good enough so in the end he left the country and was in the process of moving to Palestine when he died.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Yeah, that was common: Max Born, one of the great unsung heroes of physics, immediately comes to mind as another example.

    Massive gap between Germany/what used to be the Hapsburg Empire and the lands that were part of Tsarist Russia, though. In the former, assimilation was very common. Usually, Jews in places like Czechoslovakia or Hungary already spoke German as a first or common second language anyway, and conversion to Protestantism or Catholicism came along naturally as secularization took off. Not a whole lot of Jews converting to Orthodoxy (or in the case of Congress Poland, Catholicism) once you crossed the border, though.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    Haber converted as a young man to Christianity back in the 1890's, not between the wars, although he was initially left alone by the Nazis because he was a war veteran. Veterans, even Jewish ones were protected during the first wave of dismissals.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces
     
    It's paradoxical that only in a country with Germany's unique mix of talent and industrial power could a stupid and incompetent man like Hitler have mounted a credible bid to conquer the world.
  99. @Reg Cæsar

    I was going to post a link to this article here, where yesterday morons were celebrating the defenestration of Richard Stallman:
     
    From which version of Windows was he defenestrated? 10? Vista? XP?

    3.1?

    Windows Me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Windows Me.
     
    Windows #Metoo
  100. @Chrisnonymous
    When you read more about Stallman and see the photo of the name plate on his office door inviting in "hot ladies," it's actually hard to believe he made it this long in academia. Maybe he'll be happier without MIT.

    It’s because liberals viewed him as the anti-Gates or anti-Ellison say fifteen years ago, back when that’s what’s liberals then cared about.

  101. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    This bar graph titled "Windows" is unintelligible, because it has no caption explaining what the numbers mean. And why are the bars not bars but three-dimensional parallelepipeds?

    OMG, it’s a joke. The missing axis label is “Windows version #’s” and the graph is meant to humorously illustrate the lack of consistency in the Windows numbering system.

    Version names for consumer software are market driven and don’t follow a consistent 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, etc. scheme pleasing to autists.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Hmm, I thought it's meant to look like an extended middle finger.

    The coolest version numbering system was the one Donald Knuth chose for TeX: once he reached version 3, he followed it up with 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, etc, to reflect his convergence to a final (he claimed) bug-free state.

  102. @Jim Don Bob
    Windows Me.

    Windows Me.

    Windows #Metoo

  103. I don’t get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people’s labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There’s nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I don’t get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people’s labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There’s nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.
     
    It's one of those oddities. These ideas rabidly appeal to a certain nerdy mindset. However, they actually mean a lot of nerds *not* getting paid for their labor. It basically means a lot of passionate young men work for free. (And have lower status in the mating marriage market than they shoudl have.) Works great if you've got some comfy academic sinecure. Me, i had a wife and kids to support. I wanted to get paid for the code i was writing!

    Honestly the idea that Stallman--or his GNU project--is super critical to anything we have is nonsense. If we didn't have this or that OS ... we'd have some other OS on servers, your laptop, your tablet, your phone. This stuff ain't rocket science.
    , @Smithsonian
    That is true, but it is a fact that having all these software tools freely available is hugely helpful when building new technology.
    , @Anonymous
    Free to use not free of charge. Common mistake. Programmers absolutely have the right to sell their code. What they don't have is the right to tell the buyer what they can do with it.

    Why can't you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn't want you to. It wants to use Apple software to drive sales of Apple computers, user convenience be damned.

    Similarly, why did Microsoft force a change of user interface on Windows users with Windows 8 and 10? Because it wants to leverage the popularity of Windows to sell Microsoft tablet computers. You don't like the new UI and miss the old Start Menu? Too bad. Microsoft doesn't care. And it's about to kill Windows 7 to make sure you have no alternative but to 'upgrade'.

    Why should users of software have to put up with things like this?
  104. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Better late than never?

    “First they came for the …” doesn’t usually work to arouse people because most people don’t give a shit until their ox is being gored. Harvey Weinstein, etc. is as shrewd as they come and can afford top notch legal talent. But people (rightly) have the feeling that rms is an autist, a naif exactly like Turing and he is going to end up like Turing unless people speak up for him. Yes, so far he’s not in prison (yet) and has only lost some prestigious titles and isn’t living on the street YET, but this is no thanks to Selam – if it was within her power (and soon it may be) this (or worse) would be his fate right now.

    It’s an even bigger irony (not that idiots like Selam have any self-awareness or sense of irony) that Turing is a hero of the left because he was a GAY autist. If rms was gay (he might as well be) and had confined himself to advocating for sexual freedom for gay men, they would have left him completely alone. In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren’t supposed to have any sort of freedom.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The irony being that I doubt Turing would be pleased that people are more interested in who he had sex with as opposed to learning what a Turing machine is.

    Turing's more proof of what I'm trying to say: I don't think he was ashamed of his sexuality or wouldn't advocate for gay rights or anything like that, but I also don't think he viewed it as the foremost aspect of his life or who he was. The idea that someone's sexuality or gender or race genuinely is not their foremost concern (because they... I dunno, have *better* things to base their identity around) is so foreign among the woke that they expect to be viewed on a tacit level as these brave, suffering heroes fighting for all our sins. When they meet a non-white straight male who doesn't think that, they are confused.

    And when they meet a white straight male who doesn't think that, naturally, they get angry. I mean, his disinterest at trying to save his very soul by giving him a baptism in the river of self-loathing...

    , @Bill P
    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying "look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!"

    Well, I suppose so. The Sino-African is a noxious young lady, but that is not the most important issue here.

    What's of far more consequence is the fact that had Stallman arrived on campus as a young unknown a year or two ago he would have been squished like a bug before he could accomplish anything.

    That's why it's more important to stand up for the weak, the defenseless and the low-status. The principle that all men, regardless of whether they are accomplished big shots or not, deserve liberties and rights, is exactly what allowed Stallman to become a great computer scientist despite his obvious weaknesses.

    Somehow, our society seems to have forgotten this principle, so I'd like to do my part and remind people of it.

    So, to sum it up:

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    Sadly, this is something that Stallman himself probably doesn't understand.
  105. @Jack D
    Wow, well done, fellow Jack. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    This …

    …Richard Stallman is responsible for computing as we know it.

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985. No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

    The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb. It took someone with Stallman’s particular blend of Promethean IQ and mentally handicapped social skills to push it all the way to reality. You live in Richard Stallman’s world, whether you like it or not. He has had more influence on how we communicate in 2019 than any other single human being currently living. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.

    is some seriously embarrassing dick sucking.

    Richard Stallman’s an obviously very smart guy who’s had a big impact with his GNU. Nonetheless if Richard Stallman had never existed … basically no one would know the difference.

    The great tech wave has been driven by what the hardware is capable of doing. The improved lithography and hence rapidly increasing–“Moore’s Law”–capability. Back in the day–punched cards. Then we could have a terminal capable of text. Then the capability could support GUI–so we had GUI. The networking chips could handle enough to send pics–we were sending pics. Enough to do video–video. Powerful and cheap enough to do mobile data–mobile data.

    Stallman’s had some impact on the particular software in use today–like Gates and Jobs. But if Stallman did not exist you’d still have the Internet hooked to your laptop and people staring at their phones–running some sort of OS–would still be walking into traffic.

    ~~

    I’ve never understood this need to hero worship. I’d be embarassed to write those ridiculous paragraphs above. It’s like girls and their celebrities and some boys and their sports heroes. I’ve seen this sort of stuff from guys in science and find it … sad.

    Not that person X didn’t do something cool, or even deserve respectful admiration for their contribution. But we sciency people are supposed to be a little more logical and realistic about what’s going on. Not screaming like 14 year old girls when the Beatles go on stage.

    Now what is true, is the big statistical picture: The tech we have exists because of smart and nerdy white (and a few Asian) guys *like* Stallman, who are passionate about “stuff”–things, ideas–and willing to work to take advantage of and improve what we can do and push forward.

    Basically all the nice stuff we have flows from the competition and creativity in Western Christian civilization during the last 600 years … the product of white guys.

    If white men were out and Stallman’s witch hunting antagonists were in charge of producing tech … there would be no tech. We’d all be living in caves, listening to their whiny bitch fests by firelight. .. except there would be no fires.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I thought the really big event in PC programming was Borland and it's Turbo-C which was like the kind of devolopment system only seen on large mainframes - Editor, compiler, linker, loader, execution and debugging environment all in one seemless package.

    Previously, you edited you file. Then you took the filke to the copiler and linker. Finally, you ran the executable under the debugger.
  106. I’d like to see a t.v. Game Show with Stallman taking a parrot version of the “Pepsi challenge,” in which you try to fool him into bonding with a traumatized bird.

    Get on that, Hollywood.

    • Replies: @The Cruncher
    > if Richard Stallman had never existed … basically no one would know the difference.

    Wrong. He wrote, and gave away: a compiler (GCC), an editor (emacs), and a debugger (GDB). Maybe we would have gotten to the same place, but we'd have been delayed by a good few years - these are foundational to everything else. Only very recently has the Linux kernel been able to be compiled with anything but GCC, eg - the very latest Clang.

    Also, I, as part of a group, ate with Stallman once in Boston's Chinatown. He ordered a gelatinous dish, "fatty pork". I'd heard that he liked to impress waiters by ordering authentically, and the waiter was, verily, impressed. (The rest of the dishes were ordinary.)
  107. “The whole generation is womanized; the masculine tone is passing out of the world; it’s a feminine, nervous, hysterical, chattering, canting age, an age of hollow phrases and false delicacy and exaggerated solicitudes and coddled sensibilities, which, if we don’t soon look out, will usher in the reign of mediocrity, of the feeblest and the flattest and the most pretentious that has ever been. The masculine character, the ability to dare and endure, to know and yet not to fear reality, to look the world in the face and take it for what it is – a very queer and partly very base mixture – that is what I want to preserve, rather, as I may say, to recover; and I must say I don’t care in the least what becomes of you ladies while I make the attempt.”

    – character in “The Bostonians,” Henry James

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    I love that passage.
  108. @Anon7
    Exactly. I’d point out that, as far as “witch hunts”, it’s the witches doing the hunting. And going after brilliant men who are four or more standard deviations from the mean is like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course they give technically correct answers to questions.

    The hatred for masculinity will burn until we reassert ourselves, or Western Civ will be a dim (and forbidden) memory.

    The hatred for masculinity will burn until we reassert ourselves, or Western Civ will be a dim (and forbidden) memory.

    The hatred will last as long as the money does. It’s profitable to hate men, as much as it used to be to “fight poverty”. The money ran out in 2008 for a time, but that was fixed for urban areas (not rural areas). Next time, fixing it will be considerably more difficult, perhaps impossible.

    When their money runs out, the women will will run from a dead broke government to what they think is a powerful man (Bernadette Dohrn in her Weather Underground phase might be considered an archetype).

    Happens every time, but the money has to run out first. What we have now is just an attempt to court the most powerful entity around: the Federal Government’s most powerful political faction.

    Counterinsurgency.

    • Agree: jim jones
  109. @Jake
    There are girls who fit 'Asperger's, but the ratio is about 9 or 10 to 1 male.

    Like most forms of “exotic” mental chemistry, it is predominantly male. But it also manifests differently: I read papers on the subject about a decade ago, when I was diagnosed. Apparently girls with ASD have social intuition on the level of an average boy. Markedly lower than normal girls, which can lead to social isolation from other girls, but they can pass off as tomboys or loners or preferring the company of adults. The boys have social intuition markedly lower than the average boy, on the other hand, which means they are a lot more likely to be completely isolated and stand out to everybody.

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn’t share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I’m convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine. That’s not the whole story, of course: it’s genuinely tougher to get employment if you struggle to tell lies and don’t make social connections easily in the 21st Century. But that’s definitely part of it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn’t share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I’m convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine.
     
    Spot on. Feminism: Women barging into something men have created and then demanding it be reordered to female norms.

    And like all minoritarianism the obvious rejoinder is "ok, great, let's go our separate ways."

    Let organizations and companies decide what sort of culture they want--female friendly, male friendly, LBGQWERTY friendly ... whatever. And if the culture somewhere isn't a "fit" for you, don't work there!

    I'm pretty sure a lot of organizations--the ones which actually *do stuff*--would be better off returning a male friendly culture where the aspie guys could just be aspie guys and not have to put up with all the PC bullshit from HR. They aren't going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management. But they figure out a lot of stuff and add a huge amount of value. Whereas the "you go grrls" add little--or nothing.
  110. By the time James wrote, the Erie Canal and the Gilded Age (and the enormous policy failures of the Civil War and Reconstruction) had made Boston more or less irrelevant to US society. The character is describing almost any urban backwater with established but now parasitic old families anywhere and any time.
    Which is why James is also describing modern urban areas.

    Counterinsurgency

  111. @AnotherDad
    This ...

    ...Richard Stallman is responsible for computing as we know it.

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985. No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

    The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb. It took someone with Stallman’s particular blend of Promethean IQ and mentally handicapped social skills to push it all the way to reality. You live in Richard Stallman’s world, whether you like it or not. He has had more influence on how we communicate in 2019 than any other single human being currently living. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.
     
    is some seriously embarrassing dick sucking.

    Richard Stallman's an obviously very smart guy who's had a big impact with his GNU. Nonetheless if Richard Stallman had never existed ... basically no one would know the difference.

    The great tech wave has been driven by what the hardware is capable of doing. The improved lithography and hence rapidly increasing--"Moore's Law"--capability. Back in the day--punched cards. Then we could have a terminal capable of text. Then the capability could support GUI--so we had GUI. The networking chips could handle enough to send pics--we were sending pics. Enough to do video--video. Powerful and cheap enough to do mobile data--mobile data.

    Stallman's had some impact on the particular software in use today--like Gates and Jobs. But if Stallman did not exist you'd still have the Internet hooked to your laptop and people staring at their phones--running some sort of OS--would still be walking into traffic.

    ~~

    I've never understood this need to hero worship. I'd be embarassed to write those ridiculous paragraphs above. It's like girls and their celebrities and some boys and their sports heroes. I've seen this sort of stuff from guys in science and find it ... sad.

    Not that person X didn't do something cool, or even deserve respectful admiration for their contribution. But we sciency people are supposed to be a little more logical and realistic about what's going on. Not screaming like 14 year old girls when the Beatles go on stage.


    Now what is true, is the big statistical picture: The tech we have exists because of smart and nerdy white (and a few Asian) guys *like* Stallman, who are passionate about "stuff"--things, ideas--and willing to work to take advantage of and improve what we can do and push forward.

    Basically all the nice stuff we have flows from the competition and creativity in Western Christian civilization during the last 600 years ... the product of white guys.

    If white men were out and Stallman's witch hunting antagonists were in charge of producing tech ... there would be no tech. We'd all be living in caves, listening to their whiny bitch fests by firelight. .. except there would be no fires.
     

    I thought the really big event in PC programming was Borland and it’s Turbo-C which was like the kind of devolopment system only seen on large mainframes – Editor, compiler, linker, loader, execution and debugging environment all in one seemless package.

    Previously, you edited you file. Then you took the filke to the copiler and linker. Finally, you ran the executable under the debugger.

  112. @Jack D
    OMG, it's a joke. The missing axis label is "Windows version #'s" and the graph is meant to humorously illustrate the lack of consistency in the Windows numbering system.

    Version names for consumer software are market driven and don't follow a consistent 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, etc. scheme pleasing to autists.

    Hmm, I thought it’s meant to look like an extended middle finger.

    The coolest version numbering system was the one Donald Knuth chose for TeX: once he reached version 3, he followed it up with 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, etc, to reflect his convergence to a final (he claimed) bug-free state.

    • Replies: @res

    The coolest version numbering system was the one Donald Knuth chose for TeX: once he reached version 3, he followed it up with 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, etc, to reflect his convergence to a final (he claimed) bug-free state.
     
    Cool.

    Some elaboration (emphasis mine): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX#TeX82

    For this reason, he has stated that the "absolutely final change (to be made after my death)" will be to change the version number to π, at which point all remaining bugs will become features.[14] Likewise, versions of METAFONT after 2.0 asymptotically approach e (currently at 2.718281), and a similar change will be applied after Knuth's death.[13]
     
  113. @Jack D

    (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.)
     
    Oh, absolutely. Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces, even going so far as to convert to Christianity. Nothing he could do was good enough so in the end he left the country and was in the process of moving to Palestine when he died.

    Yeah, that was common: Max Born, one of the great unsung heroes of physics, immediately comes to mind as another example.

    Massive gap between Germany/what used to be the Hapsburg Empire and the lands that were part of Tsarist Russia, though. In the former, assimilation was very common. Usually, Jews in places like Czechoslovakia or Hungary already spoke German as a first or common second language anyway, and conversion to Protestantism or Catholicism came along naturally as secularization took off. Not a whole lot of Jews converting to Orthodoxy (or in the case of Congress Poland, Catholicism) once you crossed the border, though.

  114. While I agree with the overall point that he’s being railroaded on this email conversation regarding his friend Minsky, the excerpt praising Stallman is ridiculous hyperbole, as he wrote some minor software that almost nobody uses decades ago and is now mostly known for advocating a quasi-communist approach to developing software, which has largely failed. He is very much a man of the left, supporting Bernie and Pocohontas in his last published interview, where he also notes he hasn’t written software in decades.

    This is just the left eating its own, still ridiculous given nothing about this precipitating incident merited it, but the guy was certainly no great figure and has been accused of at least approaching #MeToo territory himself:

    “When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him.

    I felt bad for him and also uncomfortable and manipulated. I did not like being put in that position — suddenly responsible for an “important” man. What had I done to get into this situation? I decided I could not be responsible for his living or dying, and would have to accept him killing himself. I declined further contact.

    He was not a man of his word or he’d be long dead.”
    —Betsy S., Bachelor’s in Management Science, ’85

    Certainly no assault either, but cringey as all gets out for a man a decade older than this freshman coed to put such pressure on her.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >Stallman had no influence
    When you're using Linux and Android, you're using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
    The alternative to Stallman consists of "practical" people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.
  115. @J.Ross
    OT -- these are the people who make our laws:

    “I’ve held an AR-15 in my hand, I wish I had it. It is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, a 50 caliber, these kinds of bullets, need to be licensed and do not need to be on the street,” the Texas congresswoman said in the clip.
     
    https://pluralist.com/sheila-jackson-lee-ar-15/

    But won’t her constituents, the National African American Gun Association, NAAGA, be pissed at The Man for making them license “these kinds of bullets?”

  116. @Jack D
    Better late than never?

    "First they came for the ..." doesn't usually work to arouse people because most people don't give a shit until their ox is being gored. Harvey Weinstein, etc. is as shrewd as they come and can afford top notch legal talent. But people (rightly) have the feeling that rms is an autist, a naif exactly like Turing and he is going to end up like Turing unless people speak up for him. Yes, so far he's not in prison (yet) and has only lost some prestigious titles and isn't living on the street YET, but this is no thanks to Selam - if it was within her power (and soon it may be) this (or worse) would be his fate right now.


    It's an even bigger irony (not that idiots like Selam have any self-awareness or sense of irony) that Turing is a hero of the left because he was a GAY autist. If rms was gay (he might as well be) and had confined himself to advocating for sexual freedom for gay men, they would have left him completely alone. In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren't supposed to have any sort of freedom.

    The irony being that I doubt Turing would be pleased that people are more interested in who he had sex with as opposed to learning what a Turing machine is.

    Turing’s more proof of what I’m trying to say: I don’t think he was ashamed of his sexuality or wouldn’t advocate for gay rights or anything like that, but I also don’t think he viewed it as the foremost aspect of his life or who he was. The idea that someone’s sexuality or gender or race genuinely is not their foremost concern (because they… I dunno, have *better* things to base their identity around) is so foreign among the woke that they expect to be viewed on a tacit level as these brave, suffering heroes fighting for all our sins. When they meet a non-white straight male who doesn’t think that, they are confused.

    And when they meet a white straight male who doesn’t think that, naturally, they get angry. I mean, his disinterest at trying to save his very soul by giving him a baptism in the river of self-loathing…

  117. @Anon
    Actually, the real story is a Jewish guy (Stallman) makes a remark defending a fellow Jewish guy (Minsky) who made the mistake of having sex with a shiksa procured for him by a fellow Jewish guy (Epstein), and thus they end up up on the large burn pile of almost 100% Jewish men who have been #meetood by angry shiksas tired of dealing with Jewish men and their relentless lust for shiksas.

    Life imitates Seinfeld!

  118. @Bumpkin
    While I agree with the overall point that he's being railroaded on this email conversation regarding his friend Minsky, the excerpt praising Stallman is ridiculous hyperbole, as he wrote some minor software that almost nobody uses decades ago and is now mostly known for advocating a quasi-communist approach to developing software, which has largely failed. He is very much a man of the left, supporting Bernie and Pocohontas in his last published interview, where he also notes he hasn't written software in decades.

    This is just the left eating its own, still ridiculous given nothing about this precipitating incident merited it, but the guy was certainly no great figure and has been accused of at least approaching #MeToo territory himself:

    “When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him.

    I felt bad for him and also uncomfortable and manipulated. I did not like being put in that position — suddenly responsible for an “important” man. What had I done to get into this situation? I decided I could not be responsible for his living or dying, and would have to accept him killing himself. I declined further contact.

    He was not a man of his word or he’d be long dead.”
    —Betsy S., Bachelor’s in Management Science, ’85
     
    Certainly no assault either, but cringey as all gets out for a man a decade older than this freshman coed to put such pressure on her.

    >Stallman had no influence
    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
    The alternative to Stallman consists of “practical” people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin

    >Stallman had no influence
     
    Not what I wrote.

    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it.
     
    Not really, I actually develop for Android and it has almost no GNU code. The linux kernel uses the same license, the GPL, but it came from Linus, not the GNU crowd. If you're going to hang your hat on linux distros using GNU tools, you could equally claim that all credit goes to the UNIX guys and what became BSD, since linux was just a clone of that initially.

    Instead, let's give credit to who actually wrote the code, and what Stallman wrote just isn't used much.

    Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
     
    No idea where you're going with this claim.

    The alternative to Stallman consists of “practical” people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.
     
    No, it's a bunch of well-paid nerds you've never heard of who get practical software written every day, mixing permissively-licensed open source code with proprietary work of their own, as with Android, contrary to both the purist Stallman and Gates models. Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days, with Windows fading and Zuck enmeshed in privacy scandals.
    , @Anonymous

    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
     
    Windows originally was a homegrown and really awkward strap-on-dildo GUI homegrown by Microsoft. Windows NT was an OS of its own that gates hired the DEC VMS team to develop, it was a bowdlerized and cheap Charlie VMS (because it had to run on alien commodity hardware, VMS was codeveloped with the VAX architecture, and migrated to Alpha, which had specific internal architecture to handle it in the first place.)
  119. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    “Something I’d like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.”

    Things are only going to get worse now that we’ve lost Taylor Swift.

  120. @Ibound1
    She wears a big MIT shirt. Funny. MIT only has the reputation that it does because of the White males that preceded her there. It’s not like the letters MIT have some kind of mystical power over technology. She rides on their reputation and then wants to destroy them. And when they are gone, her MIT shirt will be worthless.

    You are wrong. Selam wear mystic symbols, propitiate appropriate funkopops, and do dance of ancients. The connectivity spirits will appear without fail after big dance.

  121. Off topic:

    On NBC……LATE NIGHT WITH WHITE GENOCIDE LILLY SINGH….

  122. Alright, I forced myself to read the article. So- what did Stallman actually do? He expressed his opinion on current “Minsky affair”. It doesn’t matter what he said, or what he meant. He could very well comment on climate change, Kama Sutra, Putin’s favorite dogs or whether Cary Grant was a closet gay.

    Why would anyone on earth care about that?

  123. @Mr. Anon
    I don't get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people's labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There's nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.

    I don’t get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people’s labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There’s nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.

    It’s one of those oddities. These ideas rabidly appeal to a certain nerdy mindset. However, they actually mean a lot of nerds *not* getting paid for their labor. It basically means a lot of passionate young men work for free. (And have lower status in the mating marriage market than they shoudl have.) Works great if you’ve got some comfy academic sinecure. Me, i had a wife and kids to support. I wanted to get paid for the code i was writing!

    Honestly the idea that Stallman–or his GNU project–is super critical to anything we have is nonsense. If we didn’t have this or that OS … we’d have some other OS on servers, your laptop, your tablet, your phone. This stuff ain’t rocket science.

    • Replies: @fitzhamilton
    I was once doing some wiring with this older fellow, and dropped that brainless cliche “this isn’t rocket science.” He looked at me, and said “Yes it is, and rocket science isn’t all that difficult.”
  124. anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.
     
    Yeah, sure. Just like James Watson. But we obviously don't live in a sane society.

    But seriously, have any of the people who actually visited Pleasure Island suffered any consequences yet? I mean, Billy-Bob Clinton visited the island twenty-seven f*cking times--and is he under investigation? Has he even had to resign from any boards? But some poor sperg at MIT just makes an off-color comment about the case, and he's fired? WTF!?

    Billy-Bob Clinton visited the island twenty-seven f*cking times–and is he under investigation? Has he even had to resign from any boards? But some poor sperg at MIT just makes an off-color comment about the case, and he’s fired? WTF!?

    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

  125. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Now, take as look at his own website. It’s full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who’s been reading missives from the Socialist Workers’ Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    Expecting any sort of political intelligence from tech types is a fools errand.

    In my experience if they aren’t puerile leftists, they are puerile libertarians. There is the “it has to work” aspect to software, so it isn’t as ridiculous as social science or our legal and political establishment. But compared to harder engineering it does have a virtual/fantasy “we can spin up anything” vibe that is not conducive to grounded thinking about “limits” or “reality”.

    Still the real problem–and real tragedy–is that our social science/history/political/legal people have been corrupted by the minoritarian virus. They–not nerds–are the people who are supposed to be guardians of clear thinking–grounded in reality, grounded in our traditions–about human nature and society and hence guardians of our civilization. And instead they are agents working to tear our civilization down.

  126. @Pericles

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com.

     

    ITYM Linus Thorvalds of Linux. Or possibly the BSD guys. Or maybe even the UNIX guys before them. Though Stallman was at least non-autistic enough to rebrand this as 'GNU/Linux' and run with it.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser.
     
    Marc Andreesen wrote Mosaic and founded Netscape. (Though neither was a solo job, of course.)

    Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

     

    I, non-UMC, was given my first home computers some years before 1985, a cheap VIC-20 followed by a Commodore 64.

    No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

     

    Modern Windows was inspired by VMS (Dave Cutler). VMS + 1 = WNT.

    So there's not a lot right with the above. I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore 'free software' with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

    hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license.

    Using it is without charge but you have to accept a viral load, I suppose much the same concept as Grindr.

    • LOL: Abe
  127. @nebulafox
    Like most forms of "exotic" mental chemistry, it is predominantly male. But it also manifests differently: I read papers on the subject about a decade ago, when I was diagnosed. Apparently girls with ASD have social intuition on the level of an average boy. Markedly lower than normal girls, which can lead to social isolation from other girls, but they can pass off as tomboys or loners or preferring the company of adults. The boys have social intuition markedly lower than the average boy, on the other hand, which means they are a lot more likely to be completely isolated and stand out to everybody.

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn't share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I'm convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine. That's not the whole story, of course: it's genuinely tougher to get employment if you struggle to tell lies and don't make social connections easily in the 21st Century. But that's definitely part of it.

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn’t share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I’m convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine.

    Spot on. Feminism: Women barging into something men have created and then demanding it be reordered to female norms.

    And like all minoritarianism the obvious rejoinder is “ok, great, let’s go our separate ways.”

    Let organizations and companies decide what sort of culture they want–female friendly, male friendly, LBGQWERTY friendly … whatever. And if the culture somewhere isn’t a “fit” for you, don’t work there!

    I’m pretty sure a lot of organizations–the ones which actually *do stuff*–would be better off returning a male friendly culture where the aspie guys could just be aspie guys and not have to put up with all the PC bullshit from HR. They aren’t going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management. But they figure out a lot of stuff and add a huge amount of value. Whereas the “you go grrls” add little–or nothing.

    • Replies: @anon
    The feminizing of the workplace is merely one facet of the happy diamond that is feminization of all of society. The hate and contempt for nerdy men is merely part of the larger societal hate of men in general. Neutering 80% of men so that the other 20% stand out visibly is just an extreme implementation of women's sexual strategy.

    A lot of men are involved in keeping the lights on. Some are taciturn, some are rowdy, some are nerdy, some are loners, some like working nights, some are family men who go home at 5:00. Takes all kinds. Doesn't take many women, though, because generally they can't stand up to the work.

    Because to keep the lights on, geologists find places to bore holes in the ground; drilling rig crews actually drill the holes and connect the gas well to a large pipeline network; pipeline personnel keep the gas flowing; generation plant workers keep the turbines turning; electrical distribution engineers & line crews keep the wires in good shape; electricians put wires in the walls.

    All this enables Woke crybullies to stay lit in their bedrooms or dorm rooms while tapping out yet another anti-male manifesto on their laptop...oh, and there's another bunch of men who keep the comm networks running, so that Woke crybullies can organize Twitter mobs to persecute nerdy men. Nerdy men a lot like the men who keep things running.
    , @nebulafox
    > They aren’t going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management.

    I wouldn't *want* to become a manager in the first place. Dilbert's reaction (my brothers' unsolicited nickname for me as a child... oy...) to being promoted in the TV series would be mine. And that's just fine! If we had a society where everybody aspired to be a leader, things would break down pretty quickly. In fact, that's part of what is going wrong.

    That's part of why I didn't want to become a professor: I noticed all the PIs ever did was sign grant work and manage the team. They didn't actually get to do research anymore, that was the job of the postdocs and grad students.

  128. @J.Ross
    OT -- these are the people who make our laws:

    “I’ve held an AR-15 in my hand, I wish I had it. It is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, a 50 caliber, these kinds of bullets, need to be licensed and do not need to be on the street,” the Texas congresswoman said in the clip.
     
    https://pluralist.com/sheila-jackson-lee-ar-15/

    Rep. Lee of Texas is very special. She once stated that the Constitution is 400 years old, and asked if the Mars rovers would be anywhere near the site where astronauts landed. No fake. True. Even the Daily Beast noticed.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-constitution-is-400-years-old-and-more-pearls-from-sheila-jackson-lee

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?
    , @Anonymous
    Yeahbut- can she be trusted to see that the navy builds evenly on Guam so it doesn't turn turtle and capsize? Enquiring minds want to know.
  129. In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren’t supposed to have any sort of freedom.

    The underlying core of #MeToo is that women liberated by feminism–and egged on by Hollyweird and all sorts of nonsense from the schools, the culture–have, on average, done an absolutely *terrible* job policing their sexuality.

    They’ve made lots of terrible choices–like the Epstein girls, like Mattress girl, like all these “single moms”, like all these 30+ sluts, like all these cat ladies–and generally aren’t happy with the result of their poor choices or the arc of their lives.

    Discussing *that* seriously and fully including the value of social and cultural constraints would be a very interesting conversation.

    Suffice it to say–just like with any “conversation about race”–that is not the conversation these women want to have. They just want someone to blame … other than the person in the mirror.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Women appear to have more difficulty admitting that they depend on men than men do admitting they depend on women. Nevertheless, women know they depend on men, and they know men value them primarily for their main asset - sexual allure - and for secondary assets like wife, mother, and help-meet worthiness. They know men do not primarily value them for their input into the operation of machinery designed almost wholly by men. For whatever reason, this value metric seems to bother women.
  130. @J.Ross
    >Stallman had no influence
    When you're using Linux and Android, you're using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
    The alternative to Stallman consists of "practical" people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.

    >Stallman had no influence

    Not what I wrote.

    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it.

    Not really, I actually develop for Android and it has almost no GNU code. The linux kernel uses the same license, the GPL, but it came from Linus, not the GNU crowd. If you’re going to hang your hat on linux distros using GNU tools, you could equally claim that all credit goes to the UNIX guys and what became BSD, since linux was just a clone of that initially.

    Instead, let’s give credit to who actually wrote the code, and what Stallman wrote just isn’t used much.

    Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.

    No idea where you’re going with this claim.

    The alternative to Stallman consists of “practical” people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.

    No, it’s a bunch of well-paid nerds you’ve never heard of who get practical software written every day, mixing permissively-licensed open source code with proprietary work of their own, as with Android, contrary to both the purist Stallman and Gates models. Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days, with Windows fading and Zuck enmeshed in privacy scandals.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days

    When they talk, "our" government listens; when we do, it doesn't. I wish I was that kind of joke.
    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?
  131. anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn’t share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I’m convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine.
     
    Spot on. Feminism: Women barging into something men have created and then demanding it be reordered to female norms.

    And like all minoritarianism the obvious rejoinder is "ok, great, let's go our separate ways."

    Let organizations and companies decide what sort of culture they want--female friendly, male friendly, LBGQWERTY friendly ... whatever. And if the culture somewhere isn't a "fit" for you, don't work there!

    I'm pretty sure a lot of organizations--the ones which actually *do stuff*--would be better off returning a male friendly culture where the aspie guys could just be aspie guys and not have to put up with all the PC bullshit from HR. They aren't going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management. But they figure out a lot of stuff and add a huge amount of value. Whereas the "you go grrls" add little--or nothing.

    The feminizing of the workplace is merely one facet of the happy diamond that is feminization of all of society. The hate and contempt for nerdy men is merely part of the larger societal hate of men in general. Neutering 80% of men so that the other 20% stand out visibly is just an extreme implementation of women’s sexual strategy.

    A lot of men are involved in keeping the lights on. Some are taciturn, some are rowdy, some are nerdy, some are loners, some like working nights, some are family men who go home at 5:00. Takes all kinds. Doesn’t take many women, though, because generally they can’t stand up to the work.

    Because to keep the lights on, geologists find places to bore holes in the ground; drilling rig crews actually drill the holes and connect the gas well to a large pipeline network; pipeline personnel keep the gas flowing; generation plant workers keep the turbines turning; electrical distribution engineers & line crews keep the wires in good shape; electricians put wires in the walls.

    All this enables Woke crybullies to stay lit in their bedrooms or dorm rooms while tapping out yet another anti-male manifesto on their laptop…oh, and there’s another bunch of men who keep the comm networks running, so that Woke crybullies can organize Twitter mobs to persecute nerdy men. Nerdy men a lot like the men who keep things running.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence (/geology/building maintenance/plumbing/thermodynamics/electrical work) on their behalf
  132. 3rd time see if video posts or is replaced by another:

    m.inor i.tercourse t.eam..? title at jamie dlux youtube.

    any picture other than a fat, reclining, bearded, slop on a couch is wrong video.

    • Replies: @BB753
    I don't get it. Both links work and are different videos.
  133. @AnotherDad

    Mind, I think most men with high-functioning ASD 70 years ago would have been thought of as essentially normal, a tad eccentric maybe, but certainly not ill. Men being a bit taciturn or obsessive about their interests (interests that they didn’t share with their wife or boss) was considered perfectly normal. I’m convinced that part of the diagnosis explosion is the result of HR ladies/MBA types turning male personalities strange to them into pathologies coinciding with the reality that 21st Century teachers and employers are no longer content with you just doing your job fine.
     
    Spot on. Feminism: Women barging into something men have created and then demanding it be reordered to female norms.

    And like all minoritarianism the obvious rejoinder is "ok, great, let's go our separate ways."

    Let organizations and companies decide what sort of culture they want--female friendly, male friendly, LBGQWERTY friendly ... whatever. And if the culture somewhere isn't a "fit" for you, don't work there!

    I'm pretty sure a lot of organizations--the ones which actually *do stuff*--would be better off returning a male friendly culture where the aspie guys could just be aspie guys and not have to put up with all the PC bullshit from HR. They aren't going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management. But they figure out a lot of stuff and add a huge amount of value. Whereas the "you go grrls" add little--or nothing.

    > They aren’t going the guys who climb the greasy pole to middle, much less upper management.

    I wouldn’t *want* to become a manager in the first place. Dilbert’s reaction (my brothers’ unsolicited nickname for me as a child… oy…) to being promoted in the TV series would be mine. And that’s just fine! If we had a society where everybody aspired to be a leader, things would break down pretty quickly. In fact, that’s part of what is going wrong.

    That’s part of why I didn’t want to become a professor: I noticed all the PIs ever did was sign grant work and manage the team. They didn’t actually get to do research anymore, that was the job of the postdocs and grad students.

  134. @AnotherDad

    In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren’t supposed to have any sort of freedom.
     
    The underlying core of #MeToo is that women liberated by feminism--and egged on by Hollyweird and all sorts of nonsense from the schools, the culture--have, on average, done an absolutely *terrible* job policing their sexuality.

    They've made lots of terrible choices--like the Epstein girls, like Mattress girl, like all these "single moms", like all these 30+ sluts, like all these cat ladies--and generally aren't happy with the result of their poor choices or the arc of their lives.

    Discussing *that* seriously and fully including the value of social and cultural constraints would be a very interesting conversation.

    Suffice it to say--just like with any "conversation about race"--that is not the conversation these women want to have. They just want someone to blame ... other than the person in the mirror.

    Women appear to have more difficulty admitting that they depend on men than men do admitting they depend on women. Nevertheless, women know they depend on men, and they know men value them primarily for their main asset – sexual allure – and for secondary assets like wife, mother, and help-meet worthiness. They know men do not primarily value them for their input into the operation of machinery designed almost wholly by men. For whatever reason, this value metric seems to bother women.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    When you have a craft, what you went through to get it makes you okay with deferring to a different specialist.
    When you never went through that, your only model of how power works is direct domination, and deference looks crazy.
  135. @Altai
    I like how he calls Stallman 'mentally ill', I don't think severe Autism counts as that anymore?

    But more to the point, since they insist on displaying physically, in choices of fashion, body modification (Septum piercing being functionally diagnostic) and hair style (Changing the colour regularly and certain hair styles) in demonstrating their severe and untreated BPD, are we ever going to acknowledge this?

    Since the advent of social media, young women have become the primary participants in online discussion and young women with no partner are obviously possessed with more time and angst to participate. The old world was composed of men (Remember the not too distant past when the joke was 'There are no girls on the internet'?) and moreso men more prone to intellectual debate and interest in technology arguing anonymously on message boards and failing to ever convince each other of anything.

    The world belongs to those who show up and the archetypes of male and female 'power users' of the internet are the male with Aspergers and the female with BPD. The edges of the Overton Window on the internet are defined by these two extremes.

    TL:DR
    The debates on the internet that emerged after GamerGate are just Aspergers syndrome and BPD shouting at each other.

    The world belongs to those who show up and the archetypes of male and female ‘power users’ of the internet are the male with Aspergers and the female with BPD. The edges of the Overton Window on the internet are defined by these two extremes.

    TL:DR
    The debates on the internet that emerged after GamerGate are just Aspergers syndrome and BPD shouting at each other.

    Interesting idea. Seems to me it contains a disturbing amount of truth.

  136. @anon
    Rep. Lee of Texas is very special. She once stated that the Constitution is 400 years old, and asked if the Mars rovers would be anywhere near the site where astronauts landed. No fake. True. Even the Daily Beast noticed.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-constitution-is-400-years-old-and-more-pearls-from-sheila-jackson-lee

    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    BLACK LIVES MATTER [x100]
    , @syonredux

    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?
     
    The fact that Yale hasn't named a residential college after Josiah Willard Gibbs (by far, its most distinguished alumnus) tells you all that you need to know about that particular institution.
  137. I remember Richard Stallman from the early 80s at MIT as being an eccentric genius but not mentally ill.

  138. @International Jew
    Hmm, I thought it's meant to look like an extended middle finger.

    The coolest version numbering system was the one Donald Knuth chose for TeX: once he reached version 3, he followed it up with 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, etc, to reflect his convergence to a final (he claimed) bug-free state.

    The coolest version numbering system was the one Donald Knuth chose for TeX: once he reached version 3, he followed it up with 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, etc, to reflect his convergence to a final (he claimed) bug-free state.

    Cool.

    Some elaboration (emphasis mine): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX#TeX82

    For this reason, he has stated that the “absolutely final change (to be made after my death)” will be to change the version number to π, at which point all remaining bugs will become features.[14] Likewise, versions of METAFONT after 2.0 asymptotically approach e (currently at 2.718281), and a similar change will be applied after Knuth’s death.[13]

  139. @bjondo
    3rd time see if video posts or is replaced by another:

    m.inor i.tercourse t.eam..? title at jamie dlux youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWi0Qf5dSr0&list=UU9SL3BtH21c8EGeZnw0WTXw&index=4&t=0s

    any picture other than a fat, reclining, bearded, slop on a couch is wrong video.

    I don’t get it. Both links work and are different videos.

  140. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The underlying core of #MeToo is that women liberated by feminism–and egged on by Hollyweird and all sorts of nonsense from the schools, the culture–have, on average, done an absolutely *terrible* job policing their sexuality.

    They’ve made lots of terrible choices–like the Epstein girls, like Mattress girl, like all these “single moms”, like all these 30+ sluts, like all these cat ladies–and generally aren’t happy with the result of their poor choices or the arc of their lives.

    Discussing *that* seriously and fully including the value of social and cultural constraints would be a very interesting conversation.

    Suffice it to say–just like with any “conversation about race”–that is not the conversation these women want to have. They just want someone to blame … other than the person in the mirror.

    In the men’s room in the BNSF Murray Yard there used to be a stainless steel mirror, with the old BN green and white logo and a band at the top, saying:

    “Meet the person most responsible for your safety.”

    Feminism, social justice, wokeness, it’s all about “I do not have to worry about my own safety, that is everyone else’s job”.

    Saint Trayvon and Saint Michael Brown behaved stupidly and paid what some would argue an excessive price, but who was most responsible for their fate? They were.

    That chokes in the throats of the SJCs no end.

  141. @Chrisnonymous
    Back in the early days of the Paleo diet fad, there was also a group who claimed that if you stopped bathing you would go through a period of smelliness, but that would pass and you would come out on the other side not having to bathe but without BO.

    The bathing thing might be the proverbial bridge too far, but I can anecdotally support that not washing your hair (with shampoo) results in a week of funky hair, and then hair that is entirely normal, glossy and shiny. (I still wash it, just not with shampoo. Hot water ftw.)

    • Agree: Neil Templeton, BB753
  142. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Back in the early days of the Paleo diet fad, there was also a group who claimed that if you stopped bathing you would go through a period of smelliness, but that would pass and you would come out on the other side not having to bathe but without BO.

    The smelliest I ever was was once when in “the field” (actually it was just Queeny Park in St. Louis County, but we had no access to the showers, the GIRL Scouts got those) for 2 1/2 weeks I never showered. I stunk, but the worst was when I got home, showered and actually used Tide in places, and two days later I stunk worse yet. The body replaces the smelly stuff with more smelly stuff when it’s used to stinking, I guess. It was a week of showering every day before I smelled right to myself or anyone near by.

  143. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com.

     

    ITYM Linus Thorvalds of Linux. Or possibly the BSD guys. Or maybe even the UNIX guys before them. Though Stallman was at least non-autistic enough to rebrand this as 'GNU/Linux' and run with it.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser.
     
    Marc Andreesen wrote Mosaic and founded Netscape. (Though neither was a solo job, of course.)

    Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

     

    I, non-UMC, was given my first home computers some years before 1985, a cheap VIC-20 followed by a Commodore 64.

    No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

     

    Modern Windows was inspired by VMS (Dave Cutler). VMS + 1 = WNT.

    So there's not a lot right with the above. I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore 'free software' with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

    No one person is ever indispensible, the laws of physics invariably have everything else derive from them. But, clearly, rms is one of the more significant figures of computational history.

    Open source is not necessarily “socialist”: it is voluntary and many programmers who work on it have substantially materially benefitted. Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He’s living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well. Sometimes companies pay a lot of money to develop software they then open source.

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel, so that once you had a freely distributable kernel that worked on a popularly available commodity microcomputer, you then had a full free Unix. Torvalds wrote a kernel to show his professor that his opinion on microkernels had merit and put it out for free, then realized you could then have a full software suite you could hand out for free that made a 486 PC work more or less like the coveted Sun workstation. It didn’t kill Microsoft but it was a major contributor to eventually letting the air out of Sun’s (and the rest of the workstation vendors’) tires.

    What Linux did for Windows users was to force Microsoft into upping its game considerably. Windows before about Windows 2000 sucked donkey dick and everyone knew it. They came up with NT4, then Win 2000 and Windows server, then Win XP, because they felt the heat from the possibility that someone might figure out how to market free software in a consumo friendly package and undercut them.

    • Replies: @anon
    Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He’s living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well.

    Linus Torvalds lives in Portland, Oregon.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2014/07/linus_torvalds_creator_of_linu.html
    , @International Jew

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel
     
    They did have a sorta free kernel for the first twelve years of Stallman's post-college career: it was Unix itself, developed at Bell Labs with the source code available for noncommercial use. Stallman wrote his free software — emacs, gcc, gdb, etc — on those early Unix systems.

    Something like Linux only became necessary when "Ma Bell" went private and BSD got entangled in lawsuits because it contained alot of now-proprietary code.

    At least that's how I understand it.

  144. @Anonymous
    seriously, FUCK boomer computer dorks.

    I hope they all get fucking metooed. Not a single one of them ever stood up for white men even once.

    I am such a person, Boomer etc. A ridiculous lying screed was presented against white, Protestant males in a large public meeting where I worked. An assertion was made about a wonderful environment of inclusion for them in the past. I pointed out that such people had been publicly murdered at their main plant in years past. I faced *consequences* of a negative sort for actually speaking about those events. I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.

    • Replies: @anonymous2space
    Yes, this is the problem.


    Boomers with millions of dollars in the bank who are at the end of their careers talk about "consequences."


    Uhh, no.


    The people who have to worry about "consequences" are 24 year olds with massive debt applying for jobs. Boomers have no fucking excuse for going along with the purge of white males.


    Of course you "don't care." Boomers are little fucking babies who don't care about anything that isn't their stupid boomer cruise vacation. They have no shame, no honor, no dignity, no sense of responsibility. It's all just Woodstock "let's boom it up!" all day every day forever.

    , @Anonymous

    I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.
     
    Why don't you care?
  145. @Bumpkin

    >Stallman had no influence
     
    Not what I wrote.

    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it.
     
    Not really, I actually develop for Android and it has almost no GNU code. The linux kernel uses the same license, the GPL, but it came from Linus, not the GNU crowd. If you're going to hang your hat on linux distros using GNU tools, you could equally claim that all credit goes to the UNIX guys and what became BSD, since linux was just a clone of that initially.

    Instead, let's give credit to who actually wrote the code, and what Stallman wrote just isn't used much.

    Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
     
    No idea where you're going with this claim.

    The alternative to Stallman consists of “practical” people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.
     
    No, it's a bunch of well-paid nerds you've never heard of who get practical software written every day, mixing permissively-licensed open source code with proprietary work of their own, as with Android, contrary to both the purist Stallman and Gates models. Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days, with Windows fading and Zuck enmeshed in privacy scandals.

    Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days

    When they talk, “our” government listens; when we do, it doesn’t. I wish I was that kind of joke.
    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?

    • Replies: @Bumpkin

    When they talk, “our” government listens; when we do, it doesn’t. I wish I was that kind of joke.
     
    Well, they're very rich men, at least nominally in Zuck's case, and money still talks. But the tech they built those fortunes on is dying or embattled, so techies don't care for them.

    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?
     
    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that's workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It's still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it's inevitable.
  146. @Ibound1
    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?

    BLACK LIVES MATTER [x100]

  147. @Neil Templeton
    Women appear to have more difficulty admitting that they depend on men than men do admitting they depend on women. Nevertheless, women know they depend on men, and they know men value them primarily for their main asset - sexual allure - and for secondary assets like wife, mother, and help-meet worthiness. They know men do not primarily value them for their input into the operation of machinery designed almost wholly by men. For whatever reason, this value metric seems to bother women.

    When you have a craft, what you went through to get it makes you okay with deferring to a different specialist.
    When you never went through that, your only model of how power works is direct domination, and deference looks crazy.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. 'master your craft and you will stand before kings.' Surprising how few people actually do.
  148. @anon
    Rep. Lee of Texas is very special. She once stated that the Constitution is 400 years old, and asked if the Mars rovers would be anywhere near the site where astronauts landed. No fake. True. Even the Daily Beast noticed.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-constitution-is-400-years-old-and-more-pearls-from-sheila-jackson-lee

    Yeahbut- can she be trusted to see that the navy builds evenly on Guam so it doesn’t turn turtle and capsize? Enquiring minds want to know.

  149. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    >Stallman had no influence
    When you're using Linux and Android, you're using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.
    The alternative to Stallman consists of "practical" people like Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg.

    When you’re using Linux and Android, you’re using GNU or things developed for it or made possible by it. Windows was originally just a bastardized version of an adaptation of that.

    Windows originally was a homegrown and really awkward strap-on-dildo GUI homegrown by Microsoft. Windows NT was an OS of its own that gates hired the DEC VMS team to develop, it was a bowdlerized and cheap Charlie VMS (because it had to run on alien commodity hardware, VMS was codeveloped with the VAX architecture, and migrated to Alpha, which had specific internal architecture to handle it in the first place.)

  150. @Jack D

    (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.)
     
    Oh, absolutely. Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces, even going so far as to convert to Christianity. Nothing he could do was good enough so in the end he left the country and was in the process of moving to Palestine when he died.

    Haber converted as a young man to Christianity back in the 1890’s, not between the wars, although he was initially left alone by the Nazis because he was a war veteran. Veterans, even Jewish ones were protected during the first wave of dismissals.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Right, the Nuremberg laws initially didn't apply to Jewish WW1 veterans. That was changed after Hindenburg died.
    , @Anonymous
    The Nuremberg laws didn't come in until 1935 - Haber was dead by then. But the climate for Jews in universities was already poisonous within a few months of Hitler becoming Chancellor, and Haber left. He spent a few months in Britain, where he was somewhat controversial. He was already in poor health and died in Switzerland early in 1934.
  151. @nebulafox
    This needs to be pointed out more often. MSM is a lot more interested in going after someone who can't fight back. Intrepid journalists peaking the truth to power!
    \
    I could add politicians to that. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump both have connections to Epstein, and given the reputations of both men, I do not see it as out of the question that they ended up having sex with underage girls at these gatherings. I'm sure they aren't alone.

    Half right, if there was any real connection between him and Trump the media would never shut up about it, they talked about Russia and Putin for two years based on nothing but empty accusations from Hilary. Bill Clinton on the other hand seems very close to Epstein, so naturally the MSM just calls anyone who wants to investigate a conspiracy theorist.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Oh, I think they'd happily chat about it nonstop if they didn't know damn well that Trump would immediately respond by heading to Twitter to talk about all the crazy times he had with Bill and other prominent Democrats/DNC donors/MSM figures at Jeff's parties.

    Interestingly enough, this leads to a MAD situation with FOX, who has to cover Trump's ass and who knows how many others. Never underestimate just how much our ruling class has to hide...

  152. @Steve2
    I am such a person, Boomer etc. A ridiculous lying screed was presented against white, Protestant males in a large public meeting where I worked. An assertion was made about a wonderful environment of inclusion for them in the past. I pointed out that such people had been publicly murdered at their main plant in years past. I faced *consequences* of a negative sort for actually speaking about those events. I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.

    Yes, this is the problem.

    Boomers with millions of dollars in the bank who are at the end of their careers talk about “consequences.”

    Uhh, no.

    The people who have to worry about “consequences” are 24 year olds with massive debt applying for jobs. Boomers have no fucking excuse for going along with the purge of white males.

    Of course you “don’t care.” Boomers are little fucking babies who don’t care about anything that isn’t their stupid boomer cruise vacation. They have no shame, no honor, no dignity, no sense of responsibility. It’s all just Woodstock “let’s boom it up!” all day every day forever.

    • Agree: Faraday's Bobcat
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Boomers are little fucking babies who don’t care about anything that isn’t their stupid boomer cruise vacation.
     
    Who, Donald Trump? Doesn't appear to be on vacation.
  153. @AnotherDad

    I don’t get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people’s labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There’s nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.
     
    It's one of those oddities. These ideas rabidly appeal to a certain nerdy mindset. However, they actually mean a lot of nerds *not* getting paid for their labor. It basically means a lot of passionate young men work for free. (And have lower status in the mating marriage market than they shoudl have.) Works great if you've got some comfy academic sinecure. Me, i had a wife and kids to support. I wanted to get paid for the code i was writing!

    Honestly the idea that Stallman--or his GNU project--is super critical to anything we have is nonsense. If we didn't have this or that OS ... we'd have some other OS on servers, your laptop, your tablet, your phone. This stuff ain't rocket science.

    I was once doing some wiring with this older fellow, and dropped that brainless cliche “this isn’t rocket science.” He looked at me, and said “Yes it is, and rocket science isn’t all that difficult.”

  154. @nebulafox
    This needs to be pointed out more often. MSM is a lot more interested in going after someone who can't fight back. Intrepid journalists peaking the truth to power!
    \
    I could add politicians to that. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump both have connections to Epstein, and given the reputations of both men, I do not see it as out of the question that they ended up having sex with underage girls at these gatherings. I'm sure they aren't alone.

    Trump is reported to have kicked him out of one of his clubs when he hit on a teen girl.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trump-kicked-clinton-buddy-jeffrey-epstein-out-of-mar-a-lago-after-incident-with-girl/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Trump is reported to have kicked him out of one of his clubs when he hit on a teen girl.
     
    Trump almost kicked Malcolm Forbes out of one of his Atlantic City properties, for having brought underage boy-toys with him. Under the drinking age, not the age of consent.
  155. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    No one person is ever indispensible, the laws of physics invariably have everything else derive from them. But, clearly, rms is one of the more significant figures of computational history.

    Open source is not necessarily "socialist": it is voluntary and many programmers who work on it have substantially materially benefitted. Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He's living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well. Sometimes companies pay a lot of money to develop software they then open source.

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel, so that once you had a freely distributable kernel that worked on a popularly available commodity microcomputer, you then had a full free Unix. Torvalds wrote a kernel to show his professor that his opinion on microkernels had merit and put it out for free, then realized you could then have a full software suite you could hand out for free that made a 486 PC work more or less like the coveted Sun workstation. It didn't kill Microsoft but it was a major contributor to eventually letting the air out of Sun's (and the rest of the workstation vendors') tires.

    What Linux did for Windows users was to force Microsoft into upping its game considerably. Windows before about Windows 2000 sucked donkey dick and everyone knew it. They came up with NT4, then Win 2000 and Windows server, then Win XP, because they felt the heat from the possibility that someone might figure out how to market free software in a consumo friendly package and undercut them.

    Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He’s living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well.

    Linus Torvalds lives in Portland, Oregon.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2014/07/linus_torvalds_creator_of_linu.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Apparently he has moved.
  156. @Unladen Swallow
    Half right, if there was any real connection between him and Trump the media would never shut up about it, they talked about Russia and Putin for two years based on nothing but empty accusations from Hilary. Bill Clinton on the other hand seems very close to Epstein, so naturally the MSM just calls anyone who wants to investigate a conspiracy theorist.

    Oh, I think they’d happily chat about it nonstop if they didn’t know damn well that Trump would immediately respond by heading to Twitter to talk about all the crazy times he had with Bill and other prominent Democrats/DNC donors/MSM figures at Jeff’s parties.

    Interestingly enough, this leads to a MAD situation with FOX, who has to cover Trump’s ass and who knows how many others. Never underestimate just how much our ruling class has to hide…

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Perhaps, but given what is known publicly about Epstein, it certainly appears that Bill Clinton's connections are more numerous, stronger and recent than Donald Trump's are. I also don't think the MSM despite it's ideological conformity could possibly discipline all it's members into looking the other way on Trump ( To save greater scandal befalling the Clintons and the Democrats ) if there was any connection beyond showing up at the same NYC big wig shindigs.
  157. @Ibound1
    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?

    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?

    The fact that Yale hasn’t named a residential college after Josiah Willard Gibbs (by far, its most distinguished alumnus) tells you all that you need to know about that particular institution.

    • Agree: SimpleSong, SFG
    • Replies: @SFG
    At this point in time, it would require too much free energy, so it can't happen.
    , @res
    Especially since they had several good opportunities not that long ago.
    https://news.yale.edu/2017/02/11/yale-change-calhoun-college-s-name-honor-grace-murray-hopper-0

    Interesting that the alumni magazine had an article about Gibbs not that long afterwards.
    https://yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/4496-josiah-willard-gibbs

    and just before:
    https://news.yale.edu/2017/08/23/yale-opens-two-new-residential-colleges

    But perhaps this article explains why Gibbs is unlikely to be ever honored like that.
    https://www.thedp.com/article/2016/12/benjamin-franklin-yale-backlash-name

    Students disagreed, with many criticizing the choice of another straight, white male colonial figure as the namesake of a residential college. The Yale College Council released a statement arguing that Franklin is a poor choice due to his lack of connection to the university. Franklin never attended Yale but did receive an honorary degree in 1753.
     
  158. Buried the lede as usual.

    Stallman is the typical “high IQ white genius” you fools always bang on about.

    An insane monster.

    And he invented stuff that makes computers better at ruining all our lives, good guys and bad guys alike.

    You fools. Geniuses are all frightening monsters. And most of the time they don’t invent anything good. Which makes you PanGlossians. You all think that, just because something is, it is good, because you can’t imagine anything other than the actual world you live in, your own actual backyard, and no further. (Yup, further). That kind of extreme solipsism sounds awfully autistic to me.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    You're about three-quarters correct. Stallman's work generally made computers less socially damaging, rather than more.
    , @syonredux

    An insane monster.
     
    The insane ones are the best kind of monster; it's the sane ones that you have to watch out for.
  159. @anon
    The feminizing of the workplace is merely one facet of the happy diamond that is feminization of all of society. The hate and contempt for nerdy men is merely part of the larger societal hate of men in general. Neutering 80% of men so that the other 20% stand out visibly is just an extreme implementation of women's sexual strategy.

    A lot of men are involved in keeping the lights on. Some are taciturn, some are rowdy, some are nerdy, some are loners, some like working nights, some are family men who go home at 5:00. Takes all kinds. Doesn't take many women, though, because generally they can't stand up to the work.

    Because to keep the lights on, geologists find places to bore holes in the ground; drilling rig crews actually drill the holes and connect the gas well to a large pipeline network; pipeline personnel keep the gas flowing; generation plant workers keep the turbines turning; electrical distribution engineers & line crews keep the wires in good shape; electricians put wires in the walls.

    All this enables Woke crybullies to stay lit in their bedrooms or dorm rooms while tapping out yet another anti-male manifesto on their laptop...oh, and there's another bunch of men who keep the comm networks running, so that Woke crybullies can organize Twitter mobs to persecute nerdy men. Nerdy men a lot like the men who keep things running.

    people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence (/geology/building maintenance/plumbing/thermodynamics/electrical work) on their behalf

    • Agree: BB753
  160. @J.Ross
    When you have a craft, what you went through to get it makes you okay with deferring to a different specialist.
    When you never went through that, your only model of how power works is direct domination, and deference looks crazy.

    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. ‘master your craft and you will stand before kings.’ Surprising how few people actually do.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. ‘master your craft and you will stand before kings.’ Surprising how few people actually do.
     
    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?
  161. @nebulafox
    Oh, I think they'd happily chat about it nonstop if they didn't know damn well that Trump would immediately respond by heading to Twitter to talk about all the crazy times he had with Bill and other prominent Democrats/DNC donors/MSM figures at Jeff's parties.

    Interestingly enough, this leads to a MAD situation with FOX, who has to cover Trump's ass and who knows how many others. Never underestimate just how much our ruling class has to hide...

    Perhaps, but given what is known publicly about Epstein, it certainly appears that Bill Clinton’s connections are more numerous, stronger and recent than Donald Trump’s are. I also don’t think the MSM despite it’s ideological conformity could possibly discipline all it’s members into looking the other way on Trump ( To save greater scandal befalling the Clintons and the Democrats ) if there was any connection beyond showing up at the same NYC big wig shindigs.

  162. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    So Stallman’s an anti White liberal? He can go to hell with all the other liberals then. I learn so much from other UNZ commenters.

  163. @Jack D

    (I’m reasonably sure that had the Nazis not been anti-Semites, most of the Manhattan Project scientists who fled here would have happily worked on the atomic bomb for Germany.)
     
    Oh, absolutely. Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces, even going so far as to convert to Christianity. Nothing he could do was good enough so in the end he left the country and was in the process of moving to Palestine when he died.

    Fritz Haber, a big time German chemist and developer of poison gasses for Germany during WWI, did everything he could to stay in the Nazis good graces

    It’s paradoxical that only in a country with Germany’s unique mix of talent and industrial power could a stupid and incompetent man like Hitler have mounted a credible bid to conquer the world.

  164. The defenses of Mr Stallman are analogous to this map:

  165. @Whiskey
    Women are the natural and eternal enemies of the White beta male. Neil Degrasse Tyson was not purged for worse.

    But he's Black.

    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @L Woods
    Posturing-by-projection. Every white knight’s stock and trade.
    , @anon

    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.
     
    Your comment is proof of Whiskey's point. You are a woman whose instinct is to despise men you find physically un-attractive (repulsive).
    A simple woman with a simple, and not very attractive, psychology.
  166. @Steve2
    I am such a person, Boomer etc. A ridiculous lying screed was presented against white, Protestant males in a large public meeting where I worked. An assertion was made about a wonderful environment of inclusion for them in the past. I pointed out that such people had been publicly murdered at their main plant in years past. I faced *consequences* of a negative sort for actually speaking about those events. I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.

    I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.

    Why don’t you care?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Because he is an asshole baby boomer. But I repeat myself.
  167. @SimpleSong
    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. 'master your craft and you will stand before kings.' Surprising how few people actually do.

    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. ‘master your craft and you will stand before kings.’ Surprising how few people actually do.

    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?

    • Replies: @anon

    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?
     
    Well, you could become a Master of "bating". You complete the grueling apprenticeship and at the end you're a certified Master Bator.
    , @Anonymous
    There are actually a lot of obscure skills that if you have them you can work if you are willing to travel, such as fabric covering airplanes, pinstriping and 1900s style sign painting, pouring babbitt bearings, scraping the ways of machine tools, being a tower climber (but you have to get insured), etc, etc.

    People buy a bus and go from town to town doing these things and make six figure incomes, oddly enough. This guy goes around the country and, oddly enough, fixes antique buses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h1X5pFJv70
  168. @Peter Johnson
    I accept some of what you say, but Stallman's case is important, and pushing hard on it could nudge policies back toward sanity. A substantial number of the best twentieth century mathematicians (e.g., Paul Erdos, G.H. Hardy), and many other important scientists and engineers, could not get hired and/or could not keep their jobs if they were transported (with their ASD and other quirks intact) to the current day. What knowledge is being lost through these witch hunts for bad-think.

    Note that Stallman's offending statement was well-meaning and logically structured -- it just violated political norms. What a horrid precedent for the future of scientific curiosity and free thought.

    Was Paul Erdos ever really hired? Wasn’t he a permanent visiting professor, wandering from university to university?

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    Yes, Paul Erdos was, like Richard Stallman, unable to tolerate a conventional tenured position. Unlike Stallman he wandered from one university to another, always hosted generously and a major figure at conferences worldwide. He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads. He called married men "slaves" and all women "slave masters" for example.
  169. Maybe Stallman should try owls, instead of parrots.

  170. @Counterinsurgency
    Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, I invented something that was revolutionary and solved a major problem that NSF had funded a major program to solve. I published it in a refereed journal, put a complete verification of it in the literature for that field, and traveled to various places (including UC Berkeley) to anounce it.

    The entire field turned against me. Nobody looked at the proofs. Nobody contacted me in any way (except NSF, who wanted to fund further research). The institution at which I was then working proved incapable of running the simulation software I needed (they didn't have FortranIV, then state of the art in production software), and the administration was so hostile that what I'd been told would be a "friendly" call from the Dean started off with him saying "Just who do you think you are?".

    So I left the field. As I said, I don't walk into ambushes and I don't stay in kill zones. Nor do I work with thugs. Rules of thumb, don't you know.

    And the discovery has never been used. Tough luck society, you shouldn't have tried the ambush (and should not have tried to maintain the status quo). From my standpoint, I have a family and Stallman doesn't. From the reader's standpoint, the society in which they live is worse than it would otherwise be. Again, too bad, and you the reader should change society (or want to change society) so that new developments don't trigger an ambush.

    And that's the reason the attacks on Richard Stallman are important. If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff, if fighting for your life is a reward for discovery that will benefit society, then your pool of those who work to discover new things will be small indeed. That's one of the reasons that science and engineering have largely stagnated since c.a. AD 1970.

    Counterinsurgency

    Curious what you did after leaving academia.

  171. In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

    That sounds rather pleasant to me. This is much closer to what the world would look like without the wage arbitrage and unprecedented monetary interventions of the last several decades. This is a good approximation of the “real” world, i.e. a world of hard currency, of amortizations based upon sound accounting, and of a wealth distribution apportioned by productivity and slightly skewed in favor of labor over capital. Right now we live in “bubble” world, but bubbles are unsustainable and ultimately destructive.

    Amazon is a social and economic parasite that could not even exist if it wasn’t abusing and ripping off the United States Postal Service. Apple is the floundering personality cult of a dead charlatan that runs an archipelago of third-world sweatshops and whose new CEO, as his first official act, used the company’s bully pulpit to announce to the world that he was a proud spooge gargler. Smartphones and cloud computing the world would be better off without. And computers should be limited to those who absolutely need them, those for whom no other tool would suffice, those who know what they are and how they work and how to use them, e.g. industrial plant managers, airspace defense commanders, university research departments, etc. They should not be handed out Halloween candy to the masses.

    This is what the world will look like after economic and geopolitical renormalization sets in. There will still be computers, but their applications will be quite limited in scope. The masses do not need smartphones wherewith to order pizzas and post stupid videos. The world got along without these things before, and will do so again.

  172. @Ibound1
    She wears a big MIT shirt. Funny. MIT only has the reputation that it does because of the White males that preceded her there. It’s not like the letters MIT have some kind of mystical power over technology. She rides on their reputation and then wants to destroy them. And when they are gone, her MIT shirt will be worthless.

    Doubtful. MIT can’t lose its prestige merely by sucking any more. It’s like Harvard that way. The whole thing has to come down first.

    If Silicon Valley continues to produce one comical fraud after another, can it lose its prestige? I think so, but I’m not sure.

  173. @Anonymous

    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. ‘master your craft and you will stand before kings.’ Surprising how few people actually do.
     
    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?

    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?

    Well, you could become a Master of “bating”. You complete the grueling apprenticeship and at the end you’re a certified Master Bator.

  174. @anon
    Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He’s living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well.

    Linus Torvalds lives in Portland, Oregon.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2014/07/linus_torvalds_creator_of_linu.html

    Apparently he has moved.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Diversity for thee, but not for he!
    , @anon
    Apparently he has moved

    Not actual Portland but a small town / suburb up river.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunthorpe,_Oregon
  175. …Jell-O made from dog vomit.

    Oh, the memories…

    Was it Firesign Theatre or National Lampoon who did the radio parody hybrid of Gigi and Last Tango in Paris in the early ’70s?

    HE: Something about dog vomit…

    SHE: Pig vomit, I recall,
    that I said I would eat.

    HE: Oh, Gi!

    SHE: Oh, Paul!

    BOTH: Ahh, I remember it well!

  176. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
    A society run by the sentiments of women (a sub-species of herd animals) is doomed to failure. Good thing tptb are only using this herd of idiots to police the free speech in our culture. Imagine if women actually did engineering, computer science, mathematics, etc. Oh, they lack the I.Q. curve that men have that prevents women from having genius level IQ's.
    Thanks Mother Nature!
    I am unable to take this sort of thing very seriously as there are much bigger fish to fry and my personal solution to women who get easily offended is to blow their doors off with facts, readily available due to near genius level IQ and decades of contemplation and study, or to engage the attractive ones with a combination of reality and genuine charm that ends well for both parties.
    I suggest other men behave in a similiar fashion: this is actually a defining difference being being genetically male and being a man. Imperviousness to insanity is a solid approach as is totally justified arrogance and a complete disregard for others 'hurt feelings'. I care not what idiots think and neither should any man. Only the weak cower in the face of social insanity and cultural marxism.
    The modern left has attacked Masculinity so that its' masters, tptb, can have greater and greater power. Fuck them . Your choice is to laugh right in it's face or to cower and cave.
    Choose wisely.

    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    Great stuff, the grammar notwithstanding, but are you sure about the year of the affirmative action civil rights act being 1968?
    , @Anonymous

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.
     
    Citations needed.
    , @dfordoom

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?
     
    Your comment is harsh but (sadly) mostly true. The worst enemies white people have ever faced have been white people and it's certainly true that most of the worst damage was done by white men long before women had any actual political power.

    Your point about capitalist pig employers is also mostly true. Most of the social ruin we have endured over the course of the past century has been done by capitalists driven by naked greed.

    Woke Capital has nothing to do with ideology. It has nothing to do with leftism. It has everything to do with capitalist greed.
    , @anon
    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    Men who were doing their job keeping the lights on who trusted other men to also do their job keeping the government properly functioning. You should have learned by now that American "inner Hajnal line" men are not tribal, and are high-trust. This enables tribal groups to take advantage of them. Including women, who are their own tribe and therefore very prone to groupthink.

    But if it makes you feel better to blame all the ills of the modern world on the average, trusting, honest man of 50 years ago, who was never consulted or listened to by any of the social elites, by all means go right ahead. Enjoy yourself.
  177. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual.

    Stallman is the typical "high IQ white genius" you fools always bang on about.

    An insane monster.

    And he invented stuff that makes computers better at ruining all our lives, good guys and bad guys alike.

    You fools. Geniuses are all frightening monsters. And most of the time they don't invent anything good. Which makes you PanGlossians. You all think that, just because something is, it is good, because you can't imagine anything other than the actual world you live in, your own actual backyard, and no further. (Yup, further). That kind of extreme solipsism sounds awfully autistic to me.

    You’re about three-quarters correct. Stallman’s work generally made computers less socially damaging, rather than more.

  178. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual.

    Stallman is the typical "high IQ white genius" you fools always bang on about.

    An insane monster.

    And he invented stuff that makes computers better at ruining all our lives, good guys and bad guys alike.

    You fools. Geniuses are all frightening monsters. And most of the time they don't invent anything good. Which makes you PanGlossians. You all think that, just because something is, it is good, because you can't imagine anything other than the actual world you live in, your own actual backyard, and no further. (Yup, further). That kind of extreme solipsism sounds awfully autistic to me.

    An insane monster.

    The insane ones are the best kind of monster; it’s the sane ones that you have to watch out for.

  179. @anonymous2space
    Yes, this is the problem.


    Boomers with millions of dollars in the bank who are at the end of their careers talk about "consequences."


    Uhh, no.


    The people who have to worry about "consequences" are 24 year olds with massive debt applying for jobs. Boomers have no fucking excuse for going along with the purge of white males.


    Of course you "don't care." Boomers are little fucking babies who don't care about anything that isn't their stupid boomer cruise vacation. They have no shame, no honor, no dignity, no sense of responsibility. It's all just Woodstock "let's boom it up!" all day every day forever.

    Boomers are little fucking babies who don’t care about anything that isn’t their stupid boomer cruise vacation.

    Who, Donald Trump? Doesn’t appear to be on vacation.

  180. @MarkinLA
    Trump is reported to have kicked him out of one of his clubs when he hit on a teen girl.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trump-kicked-clinton-buddy-jeffrey-epstein-out-of-mar-a-lago-after-incident-with-girl/

    Trump is reported to have kicked him out of one of his clubs when he hit on a teen girl.

    Trump almost kicked Malcolm Forbes out of one of his Atlantic City properties, for having brought underage boy-toys with him. Under the drinking age, not the age of consent.

  181. @Anonymous
    No one person is ever indispensible, the laws of physics invariably have everything else derive from them. But, clearly, rms is one of the more significant figures of computational history.

    Open source is not necessarily "socialist": it is voluntary and many programmers who work on it have substantially materially benefitted. Torvalds, for instance, is no Bill Gates wealthwise but he is worth more money than several rock and roll stars I could name. He's living in a high cost area of California and doing pretty well. Sometimes companies pay a lot of money to develop software they then open source.

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel, so that once you had a freely distributable kernel that worked on a popularly available commodity microcomputer, you then had a full free Unix. Torvalds wrote a kernel to show his professor that his opinion on microkernels had merit and put it out for free, then realized you could then have a full software suite you could hand out for free that made a 486 PC work more or less like the coveted Sun workstation. It didn't kill Microsoft but it was a major contributor to eventually letting the air out of Sun's (and the rest of the workstation vendors') tires.

    What Linux did for Windows users was to force Microsoft into upping its game considerably. Windows before about Windows 2000 sucked donkey dick and everyone knew it. They came up with NT4, then Win 2000 and Windows server, then Win XP, because they felt the heat from the possibility that someone might figure out how to market free software in a consumo friendly package and undercut them.

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel

    They did have a sorta free kernel for the first twelve years of Stallman’s post-college career: it was Unix itself, developed at Bell Labs with the source code available for noncommercial use. Stallman wrote his free software — emacs, gcc, gdb, etc — on those early Unix systems.

    Something like Linux only became necessary when “Ma Bell” went private and BSD got entangled in lawsuits because it contained alot of now-proprietary code.

    At least that’s how I understand it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The original Unix source code was put in a book that was used to instruct programming students, then Bell/AT&T declared the Unix source proprietary because they could license it to orkstation vendors.A source license was six figures, and each user (executable) license they issued to buyers they paid a much smaller fee, maybe $50-100, back to AT&T, plus users could sometimes buy a source license under NDA that did not allow them to redistribute but they could patch or modify the code internally, that was (substantially) more money.

    Copies of the book, called "the Lions Book", became samisdat and passed around bootlegged, but since the Unix system went through many revisions quickly at first, it was of decreasing actual usefulness as time went on. Educational workalike systems to Unix, like Minix and Mt. Xinu, were released for school use so students could play with live source code, but they were never developed enough for production use.

    BSD-Berkeley Standard Distribution-became the alternative to System V(five) Release 4 AT&T Unix but it was still encumbered by AT&T licensing since it used AT&T code. Eventually they excised all AT&T source and issued BSD 4.4lite, but by then Linux was out and dominated the free Unix space. It soon dominated the Unix space, period, as the workstation market started imploding in favor of commodity x86 Lintel hardware.

    Free Unix, mostly Linux but also things like FreeBSD and NetBSD, runs on more CPUs than does Windows at any given minute and handles far more of the world's internet traffic. But it's in use on servers and embedded into routers, modems, switches, and hundreds of other things you do not directly interact with. It has roughly two percent of the desktop market. Apple's Mac OS has somewhere between five and nine percent, and all but a tenth of a percent besides that is Microsoft Windows.

    Consumer computing items like smartphones, tablets, routers, cable and DSL modems, fiber ONTs, and low end test equipment like affordable automotive scan tools , all extensively use open source operating systems and if they had to license code such as QNX, they'd cost a lot more. And the existence of usable free OS and common productivity application software does keep the commercial stuff competitive and makes the vendors work harder, even though commercial apps are more popular for most software demanding much human interaction. No one who uses Photoshop especially likes GIMP, and Word persists in popularity despite only a tiny fraction of users using its advanced features very much. (OpenOffice is fine, but Windows includes Wordpad and that's good enough for most people.) Ditto with Outlook. I don't even piss with a client on my desktop, I just use webmail.

    Meanwhile, you can now buy the Lions Book legally. If you have a PDP-11 (I actually do, but it hasn't run since Taydolf Swiftler hit the linen) you can supposedly compile and run the whole thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions%27_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Edition,_with_Source_Code
  182. @Counterinsurgency
    Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, I invented something that was revolutionary and solved a major problem that NSF had funded a major program to solve. I published it in a refereed journal, put a complete verification of it in the literature for that field, and traveled to various places (including UC Berkeley) to anounce it.

    The entire field turned against me. Nobody looked at the proofs. Nobody contacted me in any way (except NSF, who wanted to fund further research). The institution at which I was then working proved incapable of running the simulation software I needed (they didn't have FortranIV, then state of the art in production software), and the administration was so hostile that what I'd been told would be a "friendly" call from the Dean started off with him saying "Just who do you think you are?".

    So I left the field. As I said, I don't walk into ambushes and I don't stay in kill zones. Nor do I work with thugs. Rules of thumb, don't you know.

    And the discovery has never been used. Tough luck society, you shouldn't have tried the ambush (and should not have tried to maintain the status quo). From my standpoint, I have a family and Stallman doesn't. From the reader's standpoint, the society in which they live is worse than it would otherwise be. Again, too bad, and you the reader should change society (or want to change society) so that new developments don't trigger an ambush.

    And that's the reason the attacks on Richard Stallman are important. If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff, if fighting for your life is a reward for discovery that will benefit society, then your pool of those who work to discover new things will be small indeed. That's one of the reasons that science and engineering have largely stagnated since c.a. AD 1970.

    Counterinsurgency

    If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff

    What does “stand the gaff” mean?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    "Stand the gaff definition, harsh treatment or criticism: All the gaff he took never made him bitter."
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stand--the--gaff

    People with mild to severe autism can be so insensitive to group opinion that they don't quite perceive that criticism/animosity directed towards them. They can thus "stand the gaff" because they don't really perceive it; it doesn't touch anything they care about or consider important in an abstract way.

    Counterinsurgendy
  183. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Great comment. So important to master a craft in life. ‘master your craft and you will stand before kings.’ Surprising how few people actually do.
     
    Could you list some crafts that would be worthwhile to focus on mastering?

    There are actually a lot of obscure skills that if you have them you can work if you are willing to travel, such as fabric covering airplanes, pinstriping and 1900s style sign painting, pouring babbitt bearings, scraping the ways of machine tools, being a tower climber (but you have to get insured), etc, etc.

    People buy a bus and go from town to town doing these things and make six figure incomes, oddly enough. This guy goes around the country and, oddly enough, fixes antique buses.

  184. For anyone in doubt as to Stallman’s genius (or near-genius) I’ll remind y’all that he successfully completed Harvard’s Math 55.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    As did Bill Gates, I believe Gates finished third best in his class, I don't know what Stallman finished. I've heard though the material can change a lot year to year depending on who's teaching it.
  185. @Bill
    Was Paul Erdos ever really hired? Wasn't he a permanent visiting professor, wandering from university to university?

    Yes, Paul Erdos was, like Richard Stallman, unable to tolerate a conventional tenured position. Unlike Stallman he wandered from one university to another, always hosted generously and a major figure at conferences worldwide. He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads. He called married men “slaves” and all women “slave masters” for example.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads.
     
    You cowards have forgotten what it is to speak the truth. "He had no social filter." Why don't you grow a pair.
  186. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Oddly GNU developed everything you needed for a full Unix system to work except the kernel
     
    They did have a sorta free kernel for the first twelve years of Stallman's post-college career: it was Unix itself, developed at Bell Labs with the source code available for noncommercial use. Stallman wrote his free software — emacs, gcc, gdb, etc — on those early Unix systems.

    Something like Linux only became necessary when "Ma Bell" went private and BSD got entangled in lawsuits because it contained alot of now-proprietary code.

    At least that's how I understand it.

    The original Unix source code was put in a book that was used to instruct programming students, then Bell/AT&T declared the Unix source proprietary because they could license it to orkstation vendors.A source license was six figures, and each user (executable) license they issued to buyers they paid a much smaller fee, maybe $50-100, back to AT&T, plus users could sometimes buy a source license under NDA that did not allow them to redistribute but they could patch or modify the code internally, that was (substantially) more money.

    Copies of the book, called “the Lions Book”, became samisdat and passed around bootlegged, but since the Unix system went through many revisions quickly at first, it was of decreasing actual usefulness as time went on. Educational workalike systems to Unix, like Minix and Mt. Xinu, were released for school use so students could play with live source code, but they were never developed enough for production use.

    BSD-Berkeley Standard Distribution-became the alternative to System V(five) Release 4 AT&T Unix but it was still encumbered by AT&T licensing since it used AT&T code. Eventually they excised all AT&T source and issued BSD 4.4lite, but by then Linux was out and dominated the free Unix space. It soon dominated the Unix space, period, as the workstation market started imploding in favor of commodity x86 Lintel hardware.

    Free Unix, mostly Linux but also things like FreeBSD and NetBSD, runs on more CPUs than does Windows at any given minute and handles far more of the world’s internet traffic. But it’s in use on servers and embedded into routers, modems, switches, and hundreds of other things you do not directly interact with. It has roughly two percent of the desktop market. Apple’s Mac OS has somewhere between five and nine percent, and all but a tenth of a percent besides that is Microsoft Windows.

    Consumer computing items like smartphones, tablets, routers, cable and DSL modems, fiber ONTs, and low end test equipment like affordable automotive scan tools , all extensively use open source operating systems and if they had to license code such as QNX, they’d cost a lot more. And the existence of usable free OS and common productivity application software does keep the commercial stuff competitive and makes the vendors work harder, even though commercial apps are more popular for most software demanding much human interaction. No one who uses Photoshop especially likes GIMP, and Word persists in popularity despite only a tiny fraction of users using its advanced features very much. (OpenOffice is fine, but Windows includes Wordpad and that’s good enough for most people.) Ditto with Outlook. I don’t even piss with a client on my desktop, I just use webmail.

    Meanwhile, you can now buy the Lions Book legally. If you have a PDP-11 (I actually do, but it hasn’t run since Taydolf Swiftler hit the linen) you can supposedly compile and run the whole thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions%27_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Edition,_with_Source_Code

  187. @Alden
    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    Great stuff, the grammar notwithstanding, but are you sure about the year of the affirmative action civil rights act being 1968?

  188. @Alden
    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    Citations needed.

  189. @Peter Johnson
    Yes, Paul Erdos was, like Richard Stallman, unable to tolerate a conventional tenured position. Unlike Stallman he wandered from one university to another, always hosted generously and a major figure at conferences worldwide. He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads. He called married men "slaves" and all women "slave masters" for example.

    He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads.

    You cowards have forgotten what it is to speak the truth. “He had no social filter.” Why don’t you grow a pair.

    • Replies: @Bill

    You cowards have forgotten what it is to speak the truth. “He had no social filter.” Why don’t you grow a pair.
     
    . . . said Anonymous.
  190. Agree that the hagiography of RMS is way over the top. Technically, RMS’s greatest contribution to computing was gcc, a C compiler that was relatively straightforward to retarget to different CPU and memory architectures. The GNU Public License (GPL), with its “copyleft” provisions – if you modified a GPL’ed piece of software, you couldn’t sell or otherwise distribute the modification in binary form without also providing the modified source code free of charge – was moderately important in the spread of gcc, and the spread of gcc was moderately important in the spread of the rest of the GNU toolset (GNU versions of the standard Berkeley Unix tools, released under the GPL of course), but there was plenty of critical SW developed by other organizations and released under much less restrictive licenses (e.g.: Don Knuth’s TeX computer typesetting system, released into the public domain; the X Window System, the dominant GUI for Unix, released under a license that lets you do anything you want with it as long as you acknowledge the original authors; there are many important others).

    Nowadays, even gcc is out of favor; Apple has spearheaded a new freely available extensible compiler architecture called LLVM and a C compiler based on it called CLANG, which are the current de facto standards for everything except MS Windows development.

    I don’t agree with this attack on RMS although by all accounts he is a major jerk at best. Still, the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

  191. @J.Ross
    Gates and Zuck are considered jokes these days

    When they talk, "our" government listens; when we do, it doesn't. I wish I was that kind of joke.
    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?

    When they talk, “our” government listens; when we do, it doesn’t. I wish I was that kind of joke.

    Well, they’re very rich men, at least nominally in Zuck’s case, and money still talks. But the tech they built those fortunes on is dying or embattled, so techies don’t care for them.

    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?

    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that’s workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It’s still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it’s inevitable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that’s workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It’s still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it’s inevitable.
     
    What are you predicting here? That smartphones and tablets will replace PCs?
    , @J.Ross
    My initial thoughts about your comments are confirmed.
  192. @Mr. Anon
    I don't get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people's labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There's nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.

    That is true, but it is a fact that having all these software tools freely available is hugely helpful when building new technology.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    It would be really helpful when building a new house if I could just steal the materials.

    If nobody gets paid for creating new stuff, eventually, new stuff won't get created.
  193. @Dr. X
    I don't know much about Stallman and his work, but I can tell you from personal experience that the university has become completely Sovietized. This is no joke and no exaggeration. In the 1970 and 1980s when I was a student, the prevailing attitude toward academics was that they were socially inept and maybe even a little bit crazy, but this was to be tolerated because the benefits of their intellect ultimately outweighed their social nonconformity.

    No more.

    In the Soviet Union, there were some very intelligent people, but their work had to be completely subordinate to the party line. Any social or political misstep, or suspicion that they were secretly bourgeois, would result in the loss of their position and their prestige, and everything they said or did was policed by low-level party apparatchiks, dullards and bureaucratic ideologues.

    That is precisely where the contemporary American university is today. Just recently I have been informed that a complaint has been filed against me for mis-identifying a transgender student. It was a completely honest mistake, but it does not matter. I fully expect that I will be "unpersonned " and defenestrated from an adjunct position that pays about minimum wage (and for which I am overqualified) and replaced with someone who enthusiastically embraces the party line.

    If you do not wholeheartedly embrace the postmodern race/class/gender/transgender/gay ideology, teaching in the contemporary university is like working with a gun to your head. Any slight misstep and you're done. Even trying to keep your mouth shut and keeping to yourself is not enough. You must actively promote the contemporary ideology to be safe. While we may not have physical labor camps in Siberia (yet), I assure you that we are living in a virtual gulag.

    You must actively promote the contemporary ideology to be safe. While we may not have physical labor camps in Siberia (yet), I assure you that we are living in a virtual gulag.

    And the great thing about it from the globalist/SJW point of view is that there’s no need for the state to be involved directly. Private corporations and various other institutions will do the persecuting. So the government can say hey it’s OK, you still have the First Amendment. In practice the First Amendment is now almost worthless but actually repealing it would have political costs. But there’s no need to repeal it.

    And conservatives are happy because they don’t have to take a stand. They can pretend that freedom of speech still exists.

    The conservatives are the ones most deserving of contempt.

    And what exactly has Trump done about any of this?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >And what exactly has Trump done about any of this?

    But TAX CUTS!

  194. @Alden
    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    Your comment is harsh but (sadly) mostly true. The worst enemies white people have ever faced have been white people and it’s certainly true that most of the worst damage was done by white men long before women had any actual political power.

    Your point about capitalist pig employers is also mostly true. Most of the social ruin we have endured over the course of the past century has been done by capitalists driven by naked greed.

    Woke Capital has nothing to do with ideology. It has nothing to do with leftism. It has everything to do with capitalist greed.

    • Agree: utu, Dissident
  195. @Dave Pinsen
    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.

    I was talking to my neighbor while she was tidying up her garage. She reached in a box and pulled out a photo from about 1990 of her and Brad Pitt. She put it aside to make sure that didn’t get thrown away.

    She said Brad was a very sweet boy, but he didn’t like to shower.

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    The “smelly” fits with the fear of water. I had a college apartment mate with a similar issue (a computer science major, as it happened). He smelled. And he would go in the bathroom and the shower would run. But one day, another apartment mate and I inventoried all of the soaps in the apartment and none belonged to the smelly guy. We went to see a college psychologist about this and she said he was probably afraid of water or soap and just pretended he showered.

    Nat Goldhaber, who founded a software company called TOPS, used to man his company’s booth at computer trade shows. Whenever a particularly foul-smelling man would come in the booth, Goldhaber would say, “You’re a programmer, aren’t you?” “Why, yes,” he’d reply, beaming at being recognized as a stinking god among men.

    From Robert Cringeley’s history of the (early) IT revolution, Accidental Empires.

  197. @Anonymous

    I learned to be quiet at work. Retired now. Don’t care.
     
    Why don't you care?

    Because he is an asshole baby boomer. But I repeat myself.

  198. @Paleo Liberal
    Not as bad as the way the Brits treated Turing, but a damn shame.

    “the way the Brits treated Turing”

    Turing broke the then laws. Given that a lot of high-profile Brits were doing exactly the same (think Boothby, Driberg, Mountbatten, Nicolson), I think he must have been either very foolish or very unlucky.

    Apparently he volunteered to the police the information that he was homosexual when reporting a break-in. Police in those days shared the values of the middle and working classes, not the upper classes.

    I guess someone high up could have asked for charges to be dropped in the light of his wartime service, but his wartime service was a state secret which he never divulged.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Turing was not a socially adroit man. Not Dirac or Erdos levels, but definitely the type that could be easily taken for a ride in social situations, and also the type who would naively admit to his sexuality to the authorities when asked. The combination of both proved fatal. Never mind the utter hypocrisy given how common homosexuality was in the upper classes of the UK.
  199. @Anonymous
    Apparently he has moved.

    Diversity for thee, but not for he!

  200. When asked to give his thoughts on the matter, Stallman responded like any 110-octane autism-spectrum genius would: by questioning the terminology involved.

    No, the autism showed up in his not assuming the accuser was lying..

    Virginia Roberts/ Giuffre has been contradicted on many details including meeting Bill Clinton at a dinner on Epstein’s Island . Clinton says he has never been to Little St. James Island. She also says that she met Al Gore and his wife Tipper on the island. They say they is impossible because were never there. She originally said she was 15 when she started working for Epstein as a masseuse. She wasn’t she was 17 when she started (and left his employ when she was 19) and Maxwell’s lawyers pointed that out in the defamation case. I don’t see how anyone could possibly could forget a detail like that. Giuffre was not used by the prosecutors in the recent case against Epstein.

  201. @Pericles

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com.

     

    ITYM Linus Thorvalds of Linux. Or possibly the BSD guys. Or maybe even the UNIX guys before them. Though Stallman was at least non-autistic enough to rebrand this as 'GNU/Linux' and run with it.

    That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser.
     
    Marc Andreesen wrote Mosaic and founded Netscape. (Though neither was a solo job, of course.)

    Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.

     

    I, non-UMC, was given my first home computers some years before 1985, a cheap VIC-20 followed by a Commodore 64.

    No matter how you are reading this website, both you and I are using systems which incorporate GNU software. Even if you’re using Windows, which nowadays runs on a very GNU-like operating system beneath the covers.

     

    Modern Windows was inspired by VMS (Dave Cutler). VMS + 1 = WNT.

    So there's not a lot right with the above. I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore 'free software' with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

    I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

    After reading up on this, it seems I’ll have to amend the above statement a bit. This is from one of the guys present at the time, Dan Weinreb (now deceased):

    And while I’m setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.

    Steele and Moon were legendary hackers so I’ll believe it. Emacs has had a fraught history afterwards as well (now that I’ve reminded myself, I think I’ve used at least three different versions on conventional hardware but GNU Emacs has had the greatest longevity). I guess I’ll give Stallman GCC at least.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Didn't know that about Guy L. Steele.

    He later designed Java, stealing most of the ideas from Smalltalk but kept enough of the creepy C++ syntax to make people happy. C++ should never has escaped academia.

    My company recently completed a rewrite of our product to create both a 32 and 64 bit version. Took five years. The first one, which we threw away, was gcc. The later one that now ships is CLANG and LLVM. Very clever stuff invented by, wait for it, a white boy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lattner
  202. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "a) Minsky had no way to know the girl was 17, not 18 ;"

    He could've asked the girl's age. Also, the girl wasn't his wife, (or partner, GF, whatever) now was she? And of course the obvious: What the hell was Minsky doing on a private island banging a girl young enough to be his great-grandaughter? If it was all on the up and up?

    Perhaps common sense really does elude Stallman.


    "b) she had been coerced by Epstein out of Minsky’s presence and might well have appeared to be entirely willing."

    In the eyes of the law, statuatory trumps consent. Again, a lack of common sense on Stallman's part. After all, what the hell was Minsky doing on a private island with a girl not even remotely close to his own age?

    Having a mental illness should not automatically always excuse someone in life; of course if the individual is part of the elite in IQ/income and has contributed mightily to society, then of course the rules change.

    It must be nice to receive verbal fellatio of this magnitude in print every time someone screws up in public. Either the individual writer is a fairly low life individual, a hack, or has a price (as most people do in point of fact). In other words, the extreme right side of the Bell Curve in IQ/income, can pretty much always expect that numerous people will come to their defense no matter their actions.

    Suppose Stallman as on the left side of the Bell Curve, and had not established himself in any endeavor of life. Would this individual have written a glowing piece of verbal fellatio praising him? Obviously not.

    It's good to be the king. Or at least distinguished enough on the Right Side to have hacks do their rehabilitation for them. And Stallman didn't even have to pay to have this done.

    Amazin'.

    Age of consent was 16 at he time in US Virgin Islands. Not statutory rape.

    https://stjohnsource.com/2002/02/01/child-protection-act-finally-wins-senate-ok/

  203. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    I don't get the software communism that Stallman espouses. Software is the product of people's labor. People have a right to be paid for their labor. There's nothing wrong with software copyrights. They serve the same purpose as copyrights for written text and patents for inventions.

    Free to use not free of charge. Common mistake. Programmers absolutely have the right to sell their code. What they don’t have is the right to tell the buyer what they can do with it.

    Why can’t you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn’t want you to. It wants to use Apple software to drive sales of Apple computers, user convenience be damned.

    Similarly, why did Microsoft force a change of user interface on Windows users with Windows 8 and 10? Because it wants to leverage the popularity of Windows to sell Microsoft tablet computers. You don’t like the new UI and miss the old Start Menu? Too bad. Microsoft doesn’t care. And it’s about to kill Windows 7 to make sure you have no alternative but to ‘upgrade’.

    Why should users of software have to put up with things like this?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Why can’t you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn’t want you to.
     
    You can run Mac OS on non Apple hardware, with some technical limitations, but it is in violation of the user agreement.

    Apple could easily put the kibosh on that but has chosen not to.

    Apple has so far not bothered anyone for Hackintoshing, unless they are selling non Apple hardware with Mac OS preinstalled.

    But Mac OS only has drivers for that subset of PC hardware Apple itself uses.

    Most people with the moxie to Hackintosh prefer Linux or FreeBSD anyway.
  204. @Ibound1

    How soon before the Russians or the Israelis or the Hungarians or someone start snapping up our deplatformed American geniuses at 10 cents on the dollar?
     
    How soon before ordinary Americans leave for Russia, Georgia, Armenia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria or Israel because they can’t take this shit any more?

    That would be the coward’s way out. So let them go. They probably aren’t Americans anyway if they choose one of those Eastern hellholes.

  205. @Anonymous
    Apparently he has moved.

    Apparently he has moved

    Not actual Portland but a small town / suburb up river.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunthorpe,_Oregon

  206. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bumpkin

    When they talk, “our” government listens; when we do, it doesn’t. I wish I was that kind of joke.
     
    Well, they're very rich men, at least nominally in Zuck's case, and money still talks. But the tech they built those fortunes on is dying or embattled, so techies don't care for them.

    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?
     
    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that's workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It's still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it's inevitable.

    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that’s workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It’s still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it’s inevitable.

    What are you predicting here? That smartphones and tablets will replace PCs?

    • Replies: @Bumpkin

    What are you predicting here? That smartphones and tablets will replace PCs?
     
    That's already happened, in that most "personal computing" now takes place on mobile devices, not PCs, which is why PC sales keep dropping. I'm predicting that mobile devices like that Samsung tablet will also replace the last remaining uses of PCs in the office or to get work done in a desktop mode.

    @J.Ross

    My initial thoughts about your comments are confirmed.
     
    Which would be what?
  207. anon[900] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    If you think liberals can be convinced with constant reiteration of facts and figures it’s obvious you’ve never tried it. White men liberals are as bad as women and minorities. Even after 51 years of vicious ferociously enforcer affirmative action action White men liberals still think it’s great.

    Every once in a while a White man complains to me he didn’t get a job didn’t get a contract didn’t get a business loan kid didn’t get accepted to college whatever. When I tell him “it’s because you’re White” they just explode with all sorts of defense of liberalism and affirmative action.

    Liberals are brainwashed zombies. Recite facts and figures 16 hours a day and it just doesn’t sink in. Even when they lose jobs promotions contracts and opportunities because they’re White. Even when they are constantly sex harassed at work by black men.

    And since you called me, my mother sisters daughters granddaughters and friends herd animals you disgusting piece of shit; let me tell your ignorant self exactly what scumbag pieces of shit created the situation in which hetero normal White men were regulated to the position of untouchables.

    Let us begin with the very first proposal for an Equal Rights Amendment. That happened in the 1920s. It was sponsored and proposed by restaurant hotel laundry garment some factories and other businesses that employed lots of women.

    Labor made great strides after 1900. Some of these improvements applied to women, not men, especially unpaid overtime. The idea being that women were weaker and sometimes pregnant and nursing and should only work 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Between 1900 and 1975 there were many state labor laws with different regulations for men and women

    For instance it was against workplace law for women to stand on chairs to do something. Men and women could use ladders but only men could stand on chairs

    A great law in those days was women couldn’t lift anything that weighted more than 25 pds and men no more than 50 pds. So few people retired and went on disability because of destroyed backs pelvis knees and legs. Now the limit is usually 75 or 85 pds. And that’s bad for men and women both despite all those dorky belts and HR training about lifting.

    The 19th early 20th century labor movement emphasized the effects of long hours unsafe conditions injuries on women and children. It’s standard for all propaganda. Show a 12 year old exhausted from an 80 hour a week factory job instead of an exhausted man.

    By 1920 labor conditions were improving. The restaurant garment laundry hotel and other capitalist pig employers of women labor quickly came up with the equal rights amendment to prevent laws mandating 40 hour weeks 8 hours a day decent bathrooms safe conditions for women. They were aware that men would get those benefits if women got them.

    The 1920s ERA never got anywhere.

    1925 immigration law stopped mass immigration population stabilized . 1930 to 1940 depression birth rate went down. FDR administration needed the average White working stiff to achieve its goals and so passed laws to benefit workers. The economy was a disaster but the new labor laws were great. For those lucky enough to have a job.

    1940-1970 working and middle class paradise. Lots of jobs for Whites and blacks at all levels, cheap housing cars gas utilities a true meritocracy for the average person.

    Of course the average American didn’t realize that all this working class prosperity was allowed only as a rebuttal to the communist economies preached by communist countries and every idiot intellectual and academic in the non communist world

    And now I’ll tell you exactly what scumbag pieces of shit made the laws and regulations that turned White men into hated and loathed untouchables.

    The worst, affirmative action was all done by White men, get that, White men in 5 short years 1968-1973. That’s all it took.

    Summer of 1968, White men Pres Johnson & VP Humphrey rammed the affirmative action civil rights act through the 100 White man senators and all but about 8 congress critter’s who were t White men, may everyone of them burn in hell forever and ever.

    Not only that, those high ranked elected White men created a Stalinesque Equal Employment Opportunity Commission whose mission was to force companies to hire anything no matter how incompetent than a White man.

    Ever noticed there are few White retail clerks airport workers cab drivers and others. It’s because that summer of 1968 when Satan and his White male minions conquered America the affirmative action civil rights created numerous programs that rewarded large companies like CVS airlines Kroger food etc for hiring non Whites and not hiring White men

    Companies are given big grants for “ training” non Whites for the simplest jobs. Companies get big tax exemptions for hiring non Whites. Government is our biggest business and government only gives contracts to companies that hire non Whites.

    That’s affirmative action and every person who did it was a White man except for about 5 congress women. I don’t know how they voted but their votes weren’t what passed the abomination of the 1968 affirmative action act. It was the votes of White men wrangled around by a White man president and VP and their staffs.

    All reasonable hiring practices had to be thrown out by the courts. NAACP and it’s jewish attorneys brought many complaints to the White man created EEOC which always ruled in favor of the incompetent unqualified black against the private companies and government agencies.

    In 1970, under orders by the White men Ford Foundation White man president Richard Nixon created the Hispanic race entitled to affirmative action privileges by executive order or dictators decree. So when blue eyed light haired German British Ms Berhen married Mr Medina she became Hispanic and rose to head of a large department via affirmative promotions every 2 years.

    Understand that you ignorant fool? Nixon, a White man created the Hispanic race and its affirmative action privileges by himself. One White man ordered other White men to write the order he signed it and abbraaa caadadabraa every person with a Spanish last name has priority over Whites

    1968 elected White men created affirmative action law and an enforcement agency the EEOC. 1970 White men write the executive order creating an entire new race and mandating affirmative action for Hispanics. White man elected President Nixon signs the order.

    1971? Duke Power Company in N Carolina minimum educational qualification for entry level trainee employment in any capacity is graduation from 6th grade.

    Black man named Griggs who didn’t graduate from 6th grade applies to Duke is rejected and finds a White male liberal law firm to represent him.

    1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    A White man, not a woman wrote that sentence. That sentence is why tiny 5 ft 90 pd Asian women can be firemen. That sentence is why blacks who read and comprehend at 3rd grade level were given BAs MAs and make 100,000 to 200,00o K , more than congress critter’s lollingvaround government offices all day.

    All it took was 5 years, 1968 to 1973 for White men, 2 Presidents Vice President senators, congress critters and Supreme Court judges to transform other White men into unemployable hated and despised untouchables.

    Don’t blame the woman and non Whites who benefited. Blame the White men who created affirmative action discrimination against White men.

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    If White women are herd animals what are the 100 million White men like you who stood there like chickens in a truck to the slaughter house while approximately 2,000 White men turned you into low caste untouchables?

    Men who were doing their job keeping the lights on who trusted other men to also do their job keeping the government properly functioning. You should have learned by now that American “inner Hajnal line” men are not tribal, and are high-trust. This enables tribal groups to take advantage of them. Including women, who are their own tribe and therefore very prone to groupthink.

    But if it makes you feel better to blame all the ills of the modern world on the average, trusting, honest man of 50 years ago, who was never consulted or listened to by any of the social elites, by all means go right ahead. Enjoy yourself.

  208. I still have the Corvette Stallman and I drove around Silicon Valley in, when we hosted him at the Mercury News to improve the dismal morale of IT staff and to promote the use of Free Software, at a time the Mercury was losing a million dollars a month, mismanagement ultimately leading to the demise of parent Knight Ridder. Stallman was clearly more sane than the management who were looting the corporation.

  209. @Alden
    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.

    Posturing-by-projection. Every white knight’s stock and trade.

  210. @syonredux

    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?
     
    The fact that Yale hasn't named a residential college after Josiah Willard Gibbs (by far, its most distinguished alumnus) tells you all that you need to know about that particular institution.

    At this point in time, it would require too much free energy, so it can’t happen.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Ba doom, boom!

    Seriously, people, it could happen, but it would be a vanishingly low probability event.

  211. @Unladen Swallow
    Haber converted as a young man to Christianity back in the 1890's, not between the wars, although he was initially left alone by the Nazis because he was a war veteran. Veterans, even Jewish ones were protected during the first wave of dismissals.

    Right, the Nuremberg laws initially didn’t apply to Jewish WW1 veterans. That was changed after Hindenburg died.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Utterly pedantic nitpick: the Nuremberg Laws weren't introduced until a year after Hindenberg died. I think what you are referring to are the civil service dismissals of 1933. Given how intimately tied the government was with academia in Germany, it was effectively the same thing as purging the scientists, though.

    As I alluded to above, conversion to Christianity was very common for upwardly mobile Jews looking to assimilate in Central Europe during the pre-WWI period. Traditional anti-Semitism within the German speaking world was mostly motivated by religious prejudice. That had a pretty easy solution for those open to it: convert. The Nazis, by contrast, epitomized a more modernistic anti-Semitism based on race: the Jews were less the killers of Christ and more akin to a pathogen corrupting the system of your people. Since you can't change your ancestors, this was inherently going to be more radical.

    >OK, but would you want to date Jewish women?

    Israeli women seem OK. Americans... well, they'd better be radically different from the one I was with in college. *Shudder*.

  212. @Anon
    Actually, the real story is a Jewish guy (Stallman) makes a remark defending a fellow Jewish guy (Minsky) who made the mistake of having sex with a shiksa procured for him by a fellow Jewish guy (Epstein), and thus they end up up on the large burn pile of almost 100% Jewish men who have been #meetood by angry shiksas tired of dealing with Jewish men and their relentless lust for shiksas.

    OK, but would you want to date Jewish women?

  213. @SFG
    Right, the Nuremberg laws initially didn't apply to Jewish WW1 veterans. That was changed after Hindenburg died.

    Utterly pedantic nitpick: the Nuremberg Laws weren’t introduced until a year after Hindenberg died. I think what you are referring to are the civil service dismissals of 1933. Given how intimately tied the government was with academia in Germany, it was effectively the same thing as purging the scientists, though.

    As I alluded to above, conversion to Christianity was very common for upwardly mobile Jews looking to assimilate in Central Europe during the pre-WWI period. Traditional anti-Semitism within the German speaking world was mostly motivated by religious prejudice. That had a pretty easy solution for those open to it: convert. The Nazis, by contrast, epitomized a more modernistic anti-Semitism based on race: the Jews were less the killers of Christ and more akin to a pathogen corrupting the system of your people. Since you can’t change your ancestors, this was inherently going to be more radical.

    >OK, but would you want to date Jewish women?

    Israeli women seem OK. Americans… well, they’d better be radically different from the one I was with in college. *Shudder*.

    • Replies: @SFG
    OK, goofed, thanks.

    I was teasing one of the other commenters...there are Jewish women who are OK, but you don't see them on the news.
  214. @International Jew
    For anyone in doubt as to Stallman's genius (or near-genius) I'll remind y'all that he successfully completed Harvard's Math 55.

    As did Bill Gates, I believe Gates finished third best in his class, I don’t know what Stallman finished. I’ve heard though the material can change a lot year to year depending on who’s teaching it.

  215. @dfordoom

    You must actively promote the contemporary ideology to be safe. While we may not have physical labor camps in Siberia (yet), I assure you that we are living in a virtual gulag.
     
    And the great thing about it from the globalist/SJW point of view is that there's no need for the state to be involved directly. Private corporations and various other institutions will do the persecuting. So the government can say hey it's OK, you still have the First Amendment. In practice the First Amendment is now almost worthless but actually repealing it would have political costs. But there's no need to repeal it.

    And conservatives are happy because they don't have to take a stand. They can pretend that freedom of speech still exists.

    The conservatives are the ones most deserving of contempt.

    And what exactly has Trump done about any of this?

    >And what exactly has Trump done about any of this?

    But TAX CUTS!

  216. @Anon
    Actually, the real story is a Jewish guy (Stallman) makes a remark defending a fellow Jewish guy (Minsky) who made the mistake of having sex with a shiksa procured for him by a fellow Jewish guy (Epstein), and thus they end up up on the large burn pile of almost 100% Jewish men who have been #meetood by angry shiksas tired of dealing with Jewish men and their relentless lust for shiksas.

    Take it easy, guy. Three jews in a pod does not a jewish pod make. The bell rings clear when the cat draws near, and this is no such instance. The cause is injured by reckless claims of conspiracy so save it for when it’s warranted. If you’re not shilling for zion, you’ve got some strategic recalibration to do.

  217. @Anonymous

    If you have to be mid autism spectrum or better to stand the gaff
     
    What does "stand the gaff" mean?

    “Stand the gaff definition, harsh treatment or criticism: All the gaff he took never made him bitter.”
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stand–the–gaff

    People with mild to severe autism can be so insensitive to group opinion that they don’t quite perceive that criticism/animosity directed towards them. They can thus “stand the gaff” because they don’t really perceive it; it doesn’t touch anything they care about or consider important in an abstract way.

    Counterinsurgendy

  218. @nebulafox
    Utterly pedantic nitpick: the Nuremberg Laws weren't introduced until a year after Hindenberg died. I think what you are referring to are the civil service dismissals of 1933. Given how intimately tied the government was with academia in Germany, it was effectively the same thing as purging the scientists, though.

    As I alluded to above, conversion to Christianity was very common for upwardly mobile Jews looking to assimilate in Central Europe during the pre-WWI period. Traditional anti-Semitism within the German speaking world was mostly motivated by religious prejudice. That had a pretty easy solution for those open to it: convert. The Nazis, by contrast, epitomized a more modernistic anti-Semitism based on race: the Jews were less the killers of Christ and more akin to a pathogen corrupting the system of your people. Since you can't change your ancestors, this was inherently going to be more radical.

    >OK, but would you want to date Jewish women?

    Israeli women seem OK. Americans... well, they'd better be radically different from the one I was with in college. *Shudder*.

    OK, goofed, thanks.

    I was teasing one of the other commenters…there are Jewish women who are OK, but you don’t see them on the news.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >I was teasing one of the other commenters…there are Jewish women who are OK, but you don’t see them on the news.

    Yeah, I know. In the end, I blame myself for being a pathetic twerp with no standards whatsoever.
  219. @SFG
    OK, goofed, thanks.

    I was teasing one of the other commenters...there are Jewish women who are OK, but you don't see them on the news.

    >I was teasing one of the other commenters…there are Jewish women who are OK, but you don’t see them on the news.

    Yeah, I know. In the end, I blame myself for being a pathetic twerp with no standards whatsoever.

  220. @SFG
    At this point in time, it would require too much free energy, so it can't happen.

    Ba doom, boom!

    Seriously, people, it could happen, but it would be a vanishingly low probability event.

  221. @Smithsonian
    That is true, but it is a fact that having all these software tools freely available is hugely helpful when building new technology.

    It would be really helpful when building a new house if I could just steal the materials.

    If nobody gets paid for creating new stuff, eventually, new stuff won’t get created.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Lots of people make a living off Linux; people getting paid for programming doesn't stop with freeware. Software is not hardware and it's very hard to find an even level on how to treat it.

    "Shareware" was the old IBM way of doing things, and it worked great for a while. When your software makes life-and-death decisions for other people, having it be an unintelligible black box is a problem. So here you want, at the very least, licensed open source.

    The other issue is the one the other guy mentioned:

    Free to use not free of charge. Common mistake. Programmers absolutely have the right to sell their code. What they don’t have is the right to tell the buyer what they can do with it.

    Why can’t you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn’t want you to. It wants to use Apple software to drive sales of Apple computers, user convenience be damned.
     
  222. @syonredux

    She graduated from Yale. Now what does that say about Yale?
     
    The fact that Yale hasn't named a residential college after Josiah Willard Gibbs (by far, its most distinguished alumnus) tells you all that you need to know about that particular institution.

    Especially since they had several good opportunities not that long ago.
    https://news.yale.edu/2017/02/11/yale-change-calhoun-college-s-name-honor-grace-murray-hopper-0

    Interesting that the alumni magazine had an article about Gibbs not that long afterwards.
    https://yalealumnimagazine.com/articles/4496-josiah-willard-gibbs

    and just before:
    https://news.yale.edu/2017/08/23/yale-opens-two-new-residential-colleges

    But perhaps this article explains why Gibbs is unlikely to be ever honored like that.
    https://www.thedp.com/article/2016/12/benjamin-franklin-yale-backlash-name

    Students disagreed, with many criticizing the choice of another straight, white male colonial figure as the namesake of a residential college. The Yale College Council released a statement arguing that Franklin is a poor choice due to his lack of connection to the university. Franklin never attended Yale but did receive an honorary degree in 1753.

  223. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.

    Just because you’re so physically repulsive no woman has ever allowed you to touch her is no reason to hate all women.

    Your comment is proof of Whiskey’s point. You are a woman whose instinct is to despise men you find physically un-attractive (repulsive).
    A simple woman with a simple, and not very attractive, psychology.

  224. I haven’t read the many comments, but what a funny post! I vaguely knew that Richard Stallman was pretty eccentric, but wasn’t aware of the details.

    That being said, since he’s clearly insane, does he even know or care that he was #MeeToo’d by that 18-year-old girl into losing his MIT position? After all, it’s not like anyone sprinkled him with water or something…

  225. @guest
    I'd like to see a t.v. Game Show with Stallman taking a parrot version of the "Pepsi challenge," in which you try to fool him into bonding with a traumatized bird.

    Get on that, Hollywood.

    > if Richard Stallman had never existed … basically no one would know the difference.

    Wrong. He wrote, and gave away: a compiler (GCC), an editor (emacs), and a debugger (GDB). Maybe we would have gotten to the same place, but we’d have been delayed by a good few years – these are foundational to everything else. Only very recently has the Linux kernel been able to be compiled with anything but GCC, eg – the very latest Clang.

    Also, I, as part of a group, ate with Stallman once in Boston’s Chinatown. He ordered a gelatinous dish, “fatty pork”. I’d heard that he liked to impress waiters by ordering authentically, and the waiter was, verily, impressed. (The rest of the dishes were ordinary.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Dongpo rou, I'm guessing, I had it in China. I'm much more of a Sichuanese/Hunanese/street shaokao type.

    >I’d heard that he liked to impress waiters by ordering authentically, and the waiter was, verily, impressed. (The rest of the dishes were ordinary.)

    Visible laowaits have a very, very low bar for impressing Chinese with Mandarin ability. In the States, ordering food is more than enough.

  226. @Bill P
    Something I'd like to point out here because the discussion here on iSteve has become so self-absorbed over the last year or so.

    What happened to Stallman is not all that serious here. The guy's retirement-aged and nobody is going after his pension or property as far as I can tell. He'll be fine. Barth's article was overwrought and bordering on hysterical.

    Furthermore, his best work is behind him. He can do what he wants from here on out whether he's "waddling" around MIT or not, and it won't make much of a difference either way.

    Now, take as look at his own website. It's full of puerile leftist political commentary. It looks like the work of a high school student who's been reading missives from the Socialist Workers' Party. Stallman is a fool. A brilliant fool, but a fool nonetheless.

    "But what about the principle!" you say... Well, what of it? Hasn't this kind of thing been happening to less eminent men for decades now? Injustices have been piling up and guys like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and, yes, Richard Stallman, have been cheering them on for all I know. At least I can say with certainty that they never made a peep when Joe average down the way got cleaned out by his ex or Brett Kavanaugh got dragged through the mud.

    It's only now that the "Brights" are starting to get this treatment that the eloquent few raise their voices in protest. And that's a shame, because by now there aren't going to be many other men left to stand up for them. Women, being naturally quite cunning, sense this, and this is why these guys are falling like dominos.

    So I'd say don't waste your effort trying to make some martyr out of Stallman. He's nothing of the sort. He's more like a 4f who got cut down after the poor saps manning the trenches got wiped out. Not to say he deserved it (although a lot of metoo victims really did), but why were we hanging so many other guys out to dry for so long before this?

    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.
     
    That's exactly what I'm going to tell you. Have you read The World as I See it? It's infantile Leftist bilge. Einstein had the worldview of a 12-year-old girl. This is typically what happens when these so-called "eminent" men decide to unburden themselves of their social and political philosophies, such as they are. Anybody who had so much as managed a hotdog stand in the real world would have been embarrassed to pen such unrealistic drivel.

    And this is why we need to stop hero-worshiping the Einsteins and Stallmans among us. Their failure to grasp important human realities is quite apparent, while the accomplishments for which they are lauded are largely illusory. Relativity is a mathematical parlor trick which, if taken literally, has the unfortunate side effect of undoing the causal order of the universe. Some "scientific" achievement there. It would take a real scientist of the first order to deliver us from the century of Einstein and Bohr, but nobody capable of the job has any reason to bother. Why should a prince come to save us when we are perfectly content worshiping charlatans? We are no longer his concern.
  227. Slightly OT: Thanks to whoever recommended American War. I got it from the library and pretty much read it straight through.

  228. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    It would be really helpful when building a new house if I could just steal the materials.

    If nobody gets paid for creating new stuff, eventually, new stuff won't get created.

    Lots of people make a living off Linux; people getting paid for programming doesn’t stop with freeware. Software is not hardware and it’s very hard to find an even level on how to treat it.

    “Shareware” was the old IBM way of doing things, and it worked great for a while. When your software makes life-and-death decisions for other people, having it be an unintelligible black box is a problem. So here you want, at the very least, licensed open source.

    The other issue is the one the other guy mentioned:

    Free to use not free of charge. Common mistake. Programmers absolutely have the right to sell their code. What they don’t have is the right to tell the buyer what they can do with it.

    Why can’t you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn’t want you to. It wants to use Apple software to drive sales of Apple computers, user convenience be damned.

  229. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Free to use not free of charge. Common mistake. Programmers absolutely have the right to sell their code. What they don't have is the right to tell the buyer what they can do with it.

    Why can't you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn't want you to. It wants to use Apple software to drive sales of Apple computers, user convenience be damned.

    Similarly, why did Microsoft force a change of user interface on Windows users with Windows 8 and 10? Because it wants to leverage the popularity of Windows to sell Microsoft tablet computers. You don't like the new UI and miss the old Start Menu? Too bad. Microsoft doesn't care. And it's about to kill Windows 7 to make sure you have no alternative but to 'upgrade'.

    Why should users of software have to put up with things like this?

    Why can’t you run Mac OS on your PC even though the hardware is compatible? Because Apple doesn’t want you to.

    You can run Mac OS on non Apple hardware, with some technical limitations, but it is in violation of the user agreement.

    Apple could easily put the kibosh on that but has chosen not to.

    Apple has so far not bothered anyone for Hackintoshing, unless they are selling non Apple hardware with Mac OS preinstalled.

    But Mac OS only has drivers for that subset of PC hardware Apple itself uses.

    Most people with the moxie to Hackintosh prefer Linux or FreeBSD anyway.

  230. @Pericles

    I will however give RMS the honor of inventing hardcore ‘free software’ with a viral license. And of course Emacs and GCC.

     

    After reading up on this, it seems I'll have to amend the above statement a bit. This is from one of the guys present at the time, Dan Weinreb (now deceased):

    And while I'm setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance.

     

    Steele and Moon were legendary hackers so I'll believe it. Emacs has had a fraught history afterwards as well (now that I've reminded myself, I think I've used at least three different versions on conventional hardware but GNU Emacs has had the greatest longevity). I guess I'll give Stallman GCC at least.

    Didn’t know that about Guy L. Steele.

    He later designed Java, stealing most of the ideas from Smalltalk but kept enough of the creepy C++ syntax to make people happy. C++ should never has escaped academia.

    My company recently completed a rewrite of our product to create both a 32 and 64 bit version. Took five years. The first one, which we threw away, was gcc. The later one that now ships is CLANG and LLVM. Very clever stuff invented by, wait for it, a white boy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lattner

  231. @YetAnotherAnon
    "the way the Brits treated Turing"

    Turing broke the then laws. Given that a lot of high-profile Brits were doing exactly the same (think Boothby, Driberg, Mountbatten, Nicolson), I think he must have been either very foolish or very unlucky.

    Apparently he volunteered to the police the information that he was homosexual when reporting a break-in. Police in those days shared the values of the middle and working classes, not the upper classes.

    I guess someone high up could have asked for charges to be dropped in the light of his wartime service, but his wartime service was a state secret which he never divulged.

    Turing was not a socially adroit man. Not Dirac or Erdos levels, but definitely the type that could be easily taken for a ride in social situations, and also the type who would naively admit to his sexuality to the authorities when asked. The combination of both proved fatal. Never mind the utter hypocrisy given how common homosexuality was in the upper classes of the UK.

  232. @The Cruncher
    > if Richard Stallman had never existed … basically no one would know the difference.

    Wrong. He wrote, and gave away: a compiler (GCC), an editor (emacs), and a debugger (GDB). Maybe we would have gotten to the same place, but we'd have been delayed by a good few years - these are foundational to everything else. Only very recently has the Linux kernel been able to be compiled with anything but GCC, eg - the very latest Clang.

    Also, I, as part of a group, ate with Stallman once in Boston's Chinatown. He ordered a gelatinous dish, "fatty pork". I'd heard that he liked to impress waiters by ordering authentically, and the waiter was, verily, impressed. (The rest of the dishes were ordinary.)

    Dongpo rou, I’m guessing, I had it in China. I’m much more of a Sichuanese/Hunanese/street shaokao type.

    >I’d heard that he liked to impress waiters by ordering authentically, and the waiter was, verily, impressed. (The rest of the dishes were ordinary.)

    Visible laowaits have a very, very low bar for impressing Chinese with Mandarin ability. In the States, ordering food is more than enough.

  233. @Bumpkin

    When they talk, “our” government listens; when we do, it doesn’t. I wish I was that kind of joke.
     
    Well, they're very rich men, at least nominally in Zuck's case, and money still talks. But the tech they built those fortunes on is dying or embattled, so techies don't care for them.

    Why do you not expect Windows to remain a default for many businesses and institutions?
     
    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that's workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It's still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it's inevitable.

    My initial thoughts about your comments are confirmed.

  234. @Jack D
    I think that a shrink would label Stallman as being "on the spectrum" or in earlier times, having Asperger's Syndrome:

    Asperger's syndrome. This is on the milder end of the autism spectrum. A person with Asperger's may be very intelligent and able to handle her daily life. She may be really focused on topics that interest her and discuss them nonstop. But she has a much harder time socially.
     
    Does this sound like anyone you know? (The "she" is just PC crap by WebMD - Hans Asperger himself thought no women or girls were autistic - it's really a guy thing).

    Asperger’s Syndrome is rare in women, but it exists, as I discovered to my great cost.

    People in their 40s and older will remember when the term Asperger’s was not part of the culture. It came in in the 2000s, I think. This was a decade earlier. Neither she nor I knew what was going on with her at the time.

  235. @Jack D
    Better late than never?

    "First they came for the ..." doesn't usually work to arouse people because most people don't give a shit until their ox is being gored. Harvey Weinstein, etc. is as shrewd as they come and can afford top notch legal talent. But people (rightly) have the feeling that rms is an autist, a naif exactly like Turing and he is going to end up like Turing unless people speak up for him. Yes, so far he's not in prison (yet) and has only lost some prestigious titles and isn't living on the street YET, but this is no thanks to Selam - if it was within her power (and soon it may be) this (or worse) would be his fate right now.


    It's an even bigger irony (not that idiots like Selam have any self-awareness or sense of irony) that Turing is a hero of the left because he was a GAY autist. If rms was gay (he might as well be) and had confined himself to advocating for sexual freedom for gay men, they would have left him completely alone. In the Current Year, everyone is supposed to have absolute sexual freedom except for white men, who aren't supposed to have any sort of freedom.

    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying “look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!”

    Well, I suppose so. The Sino-African is a noxious young lady, but that is not the most important issue here.

    What’s of far more consequence is the fact that had Stallman arrived on campus as a young unknown a year or two ago he would have been squished like a bug before he could accomplish anything.

    That’s why it’s more important to stand up for the weak, the defenseless and the low-status. The principle that all men, regardless of whether they are accomplished big shots or not, deserve liberties and rights, is exactly what allowed Stallman to become a great computer scientist despite his obvious weaknesses.

    Somehow, our society seems to have forgotten this principle, so I’d like to do my part and remind people of it.

    So, to sum it up:

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    Sadly, this is something that Stallman himself probably doesn’t understand.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.
     
    If that was enough to be a great computer scientist we'd all be, those of us born when America was still semi-free anyway.

    Stallman is one of the greatest computer scientists because he has an extreme IQ and the personality quirks he has and because he was born into a country like the US. Had he been born in Soviet Russia he would have been made a computer operator or an applications database programmer at the Lvov Bus Works and probably drank himself dead out of frustration by his mid-40s.
    , @Anonymous

    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying “look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!”
     

    Nope. Barth is saying that Stallman should get a pass because he is handicapped.

    What Barth, and everyone else here, should be saying--but aren't--is that Stallman told the truth and therefore did nothing wrong.

    , @Harold
    Stallman isn’t a great computer scientist, or even a mediocre computer scientist, it’s debatable whether he qualifies as a ‘computer scientist’ at all.

    Here is his list of publications according to the comprehensive DPLB

    https://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/s/Stallman:Richard_M=

    He wrote a total of three papers which could be said to be computer science—back in the ’70s

    Only one is of any consequence, and that was co-authored with Sussman of Scheme and SICP fame.

    Stallman’s other 8 publications over the rest of his career are not computer science.

    You’d be hard pressed to find a computer scientist who had contributed less to computer science.
  236. Trump, like our host Steve Sailer, only cares about his own fucking golf clubs.

    Boomers are insane toddlers. Obsessed with a little ball game while they flush their ancestors’ gift down the toilet.

  237. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying "look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!"

    Well, I suppose so. The Sino-African is a noxious young lady, but that is not the most important issue here.

    What's of far more consequence is the fact that had Stallman arrived on campus as a young unknown a year or two ago he would have been squished like a bug before he could accomplish anything.

    That's why it's more important to stand up for the weak, the defenseless and the low-status. The principle that all men, regardless of whether they are accomplished big shots or not, deserve liberties and rights, is exactly what allowed Stallman to become a great computer scientist despite his obvious weaknesses.

    Somehow, our society seems to have forgotten this principle, so I'd like to do my part and remind people of it.

    So, to sum it up:

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    Sadly, this is something that Stallman himself probably doesn't understand.

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    If that was enough to be a great computer scientist we’d all be, those of us born when America was still semi-free anyway.

    Stallman is one of the greatest computer scientists because he has an extreme IQ and the personality quirks he has and because he was born into a country like the US. Had he been born in Soviet Russia he would have been made a computer operator or an applications database programmer at the Lvov Bus Works and probably drank himself dead out of frustration by his mid-40s.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    That's my point:

    Stallman is a hothouse flower. The old, bad, white male America was the hothouse.

    Take it away and you've got an eccentric prodigy who is used and/or abused at the whim of whoever wields power at any given moment.

    The problem is that the rules that keep the hothouse operating have to apply universally, and identity politics is designed to prevent their universal application. When we started allowing feminists to violate the rights of "lesser" men, we allowed a fatal bug in the kernel, so to speak, and it was only a matter of time before the system began to fail those higher up the hierarchy.
    , @Jack D
    I dunno about the contrast with the Soviet Union. People who stayed away from politics and confined themselves to doing math or science without political implications could (sometimes) do their own thing and be pretty much left alone, which is why some very significant mathematical and scientific work came out of the USSR. Russians, even Soviets, had great respect for intellectual accomplishment. They understood that genius really exists and did not have Selam's/Moochelle's shitty attitude that "They're not that smart."

    In modern Russia, you have Grigori Perelman, whose (lack of) social skills makes Stallman seem like a social giant in comparison. I'd say that in some respects the modern US is WORSE than the Soviet Union when it comes to treatment of male scientific geniuses with limited social skills like Stallman. I don't make this charge lightly because for the most part when Americans compare the US to the USSR, most of the time they have no idea of how the USSR existed on a completely different plane of shitty literally unimaginable to Americans.
  238. @Anonymous

    Because PC sales have been dropping for 7 years now and Samsung Android devices now come with a desktop mode that’s workable for most, including having professional tools like Office and Photoshop. It’s still early days for that business transition, as much more office software is being ported over, but it’s inevitable.
     
    What are you predicting here? That smartphones and tablets will replace PCs?

    What are you predicting here? That smartphones and tablets will replace PCs?

    That’s already happened, in that most “personal computing” now takes place on mobile devices, not PCs, which is why PC sales keep dropping. I’m predicting that mobile devices like that Samsung tablet will also replace the last remaining uses of PCs in the office or to get work done in a desktop mode.

    My initial thoughts about your comments are confirmed.

    Which would be what?

  239. @Anonymous

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.
     
    If that was enough to be a great computer scientist we'd all be, those of us born when America was still semi-free anyway.

    Stallman is one of the greatest computer scientists because he has an extreme IQ and the personality quirks he has and because he was born into a country like the US. Had he been born in Soviet Russia he would have been made a computer operator or an applications database programmer at the Lvov Bus Works and probably drank himself dead out of frustration by his mid-40s.

    That’s my point:

    Stallman is a hothouse flower. The old, bad, white male America was the hothouse.

    Take it away and you’ve got an eccentric prodigy who is used and/or abused at the whim of whoever wields power at any given moment.

    The problem is that the rules that keep the hothouse operating have to apply universally, and identity politics is designed to prevent their universal application. When we started allowing feminists to violate the rights of “lesser” men, we allowed a fatal bug in the kernel, so to speak, and it was only a matter of time before the system began to fail those higher up the hierarchy.

  240. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying "look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!"

    Well, I suppose so. The Sino-African is a noxious young lady, but that is not the most important issue here.

    What's of far more consequence is the fact that had Stallman arrived on campus as a young unknown a year or two ago he would have been squished like a bug before he could accomplish anything.

    That's why it's more important to stand up for the weak, the defenseless and the low-status. The principle that all men, regardless of whether they are accomplished big shots or not, deserve liberties and rights, is exactly what allowed Stallman to become a great computer scientist despite his obvious weaknesses.

    Somehow, our society seems to have forgotten this principle, so I'd like to do my part and remind people of it.

    So, to sum it up:

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    Sadly, this is something that Stallman himself probably doesn't understand.

    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying “look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!”

    Nope. Barth is saying that Stallman should get a pass because he is handicapped.

    What Barth, and everyone else here, should be saying–but aren’t–is that Stallman told the truth and therefore did nothing wrong.

  241. Alden: “1973 the affirmative action case of Griggs vs Duke Power reaches the Supreme Court. Every minion of Satan on the court is a White man. They ruled that its discriminatory to require completion of 6th grade.

    It was a White man, Chief Justice William Brennan who wrote the majority decision. That vicious evil representative of Satan wrote just one sentence that condemned White men to the status of untouchables.

    “ Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “ ”

    The spirit of what you say is accurate, but the details are a little off. The case wasn’t about requiring completion of the sixth grade, but the use of IQ-type tests as a means of selecting suitable candidates for employment. Also, you were right the first time. Griggs was a 1971 decision, not 1973. Chief Justice Burger wrote the opinion, which was unanimous except for Brennan, who didn’t take any part in the decision. All of the Justices on the Court at that time were white men, except for Thurgood Marshall, and one (Hugo Black) had even for a while been a member of the KKK. The fatal sentence you cite doesn’t occur in the opinion.

    It’s important to note that the Court’s reasoning was based on similar decisions it had already made about literacy tests which had been used to deny negroes their right to vote. Just as it had been held more important to incorporate negroes in the body politic than to have a citizenry that was intelligent and literate, it likewise was held that it was more important to fully integrate negroes into the workforce than to hold them to white standards of intelligence and educational attainment. Enfranchisement was the planting of the tree, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, Griggs, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the EEOC were its poisonous fruit.

  242. @Rush
    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.

    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.

    That’s exactly what I’m going to tell you. Have you read The World as I See it? It’s infantile Leftist bilge. Einstein had the worldview of a 12-year-old girl. This is typically what happens when these so-called “eminent” men decide to unburden themselves of their social and political philosophies, such as they are. Anybody who had so much as managed a hotdog stand in the real world would have been embarrassed to pen such unrealistic drivel.

    And this is why we need to stop hero-worshiping the Einsteins and Stallmans among us. Their failure to grasp important human realities is quite apparent, while the accomplishments for which they are lauded are largely illusory. Relativity is a mathematical parlor trick which, if taken literally, has the unfortunate side effect of undoing the causal order of the universe. Some “scientific” achievement there. It would take a real scientist of the first order to deliver us from the century of Einstein and Bohr, but nobody capable of the job has any reason to bother. Why should a prince come to save us when we are perfectly content worshiping charlatans? We are no longer his concern.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Why don't you do it? If relativity is just a parlor trick, you can surely uncover the charlatan and show us how the trick is done. For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.

    Lawyerguy on another threat was talking about how he once dealt with a black woman who seemed quite intelligent and not insane but then she matter of factly mentioned in passing that Alka-Seltzer cures cancer. You remind me of her.
  243. @Anonymous

    He was extremely vulnerable yet wildly outspoken, and had no social filter on his words. In the modern world he would have been shamed and ruined by the SJW squads.
     
    You cowards have forgotten what it is to speak the truth. "He had no social filter." Why don't you grow a pair.

    You cowards have forgotten what it is to speak the truth. “He had no social filter.” Why don’t you grow a pair.

    . . . said Anonymous.

  244. Anonymous[580] • Disclaimer says:
    @Unladen Swallow
    Haber converted as a young man to Christianity back in the 1890's, not between the wars, although he was initially left alone by the Nazis because he was a war veteran. Veterans, even Jewish ones were protected during the first wave of dismissals.

    The Nuremberg laws didn’t come in until 1935 – Haber was dead by then. But the climate for Jews in universities was already poisonous within a few months of Hitler becoming Chancellor, and Haber left. He spent a few months in Britain, where he was somewhat controversial. He was already in poor health and died in Switzerland early in 1934.

  245. @Anonymous

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.
     
    If that was enough to be a great computer scientist we'd all be, those of us born when America was still semi-free anyway.

    Stallman is one of the greatest computer scientists because he has an extreme IQ and the personality quirks he has and because he was born into a country like the US. Had he been born in Soviet Russia he would have been made a computer operator or an applications database programmer at the Lvov Bus Works and probably drank himself dead out of frustration by his mid-40s.

    I dunno about the contrast with the Soviet Union. People who stayed away from politics and confined themselves to doing math or science without political implications could (sometimes) do their own thing and be pretty much left alone, which is why some very significant mathematical and scientific work came out of the USSR. Russians, even Soviets, had great respect for intellectual accomplishment. They understood that genius really exists and did not have Selam’s/Moochelle’s shitty attitude that “They’re not that smart.”

    In modern Russia, you have Grigori Perelman, whose (lack of) social skills makes Stallman seem like a social giant in comparison. I’d say that in some respects the modern US is WORSE than the Soviet Union when it comes to treatment of male scientific geniuses with limited social skills like Stallman. I don’t make this charge lightly because for the most part when Americans compare the US to the USSR, most of the time they have no idea of how the USSR existed on a completely different plane of shitty literally unimaginable to Americans.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is wrong:
    Nobody was left alone to do their own thing in the Soviet Union, least of all people capable of consequential actions.
    Math and science learning was massively talent searched. The first stages were unforgiving rote memorization and constant drilling.
    Once you were known to be good, you were not left alone, you were shepherded and rewarded. You lived in a separate, parallel Soviet Union, where everything was better. Your motivation to go political became blunted (which makes people like Sakharov all the greater).
    When personal microcomputers started to take off in the US, the Soviets realized they were way behind and couldn't catch up, precisely because of styles of education. Jobs and Woz would never have been permitted to fool around in a garage, they would be working ten hour days over a slide rule.
  246. @Intelligent Dasein

    Einstein was a leftist as well, are you going to tell us that he was a fool and his essays were full of puerile leftist commentary? Give me a break.
     
    That's exactly what I'm going to tell you. Have you read The World as I See it? It's infantile Leftist bilge. Einstein had the worldview of a 12-year-old girl. This is typically what happens when these so-called "eminent" men decide to unburden themselves of their social and political philosophies, such as they are. Anybody who had so much as managed a hotdog stand in the real world would have been embarrassed to pen such unrealistic drivel.

    And this is why we need to stop hero-worshiping the Einsteins and Stallmans among us. Their failure to grasp important human realities is quite apparent, while the accomplishments for which they are lauded are largely illusory. Relativity is a mathematical parlor trick which, if taken literally, has the unfortunate side effect of undoing the causal order of the universe. Some "scientific" achievement there. It would take a real scientist of the first order to deliver us from the century of Einstein and Bohr, but nobody capable of the job has any reason to bother. Why should a prince come to save us when we are perfectly content worshiping charlatans? We are no longer his concern.

    Why don’t you do it? If relativity is just a parlor trick, you can surely uncover the charlatan and show us how the trick is done. For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.

    Lawyerguy on another threat was talking about how he once dealt with a black woman who seemed quite intelligent and not insane but then she matter of factly mentioned in passing that Alka-Seltzer cures cancer. You remind me of her.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Why don’t you do it?
     
    "Doing it" is the easy part. It practically does itself. Relativity destroys simultaneity and with it the notion of absolute time, without which no physics can exist. And then, as the mother of all absurdities, it actually provides for the possibility of time travel, which no one who has the slightest insight into the nature of time can possibly entertain. Causality precedes physical theorizing; a theory which denies or destroys causality is not a physical theory at all.

    There are a few people who do understand this much. But then, in order to salvage what's left of their worldview and avoid the massive cognitive dissonance that would result from facing the obvious problems, they either resort to their shallow Popperianisms ("Relativity doesn't have to make sense, it just has to provide a theoretical structure that squares with observations.") or they bite the bullet and proclaim that reality need not correspond with our a priori sense of causality, which (they suppose) only exists within consciousness and is only a human prejudice after all.

    The spirit of such thinking is not only not scientific, it is literally antiscientific. It flies in the face of all logic, harmony, and sanity by denying that first principle of order which is the touchstone of all knowledge. Time travel, like negative densities, ought to be a gigantic red flag that something is wrong with your theory, but the modern physical researcher zooms right past this checkpoint with a sporting twinkle in his eye, as if he were smarter than the the universe, smarter than causality, smarter than God Himself.

    It is a trivial matter to show that relativity has to be wrong on first principles. That was the easy part. The hard part is trying to reanimate the decomposing corpse of scientific inquiry with another and better description. The Western world has long passed the point in its cultural decrescendo when new and better theories are even wanted, let alone suffered and labored for. Science was so 19th century; what we have now is insipid low-church scientism, of which you yourself are a prime example.

    For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.
     
    There are two things wrong with this idiotic statement, one which is a matter of fact and one which is a matter of logic.

    Firstly, the idea that the global positioning system could not function without relativistic corrections is another one of those long-debunked canards that is constantly touted by third-rate science popularizers but which has no basis in reality. The global positioning system does not depend on relativity in any way, shape, or form. The system needs constant recalibration due to normal station keeping difficulties---e.g. gravitational perturbation and atmospheric drag---that are orders of magnitude greater than any relativistic effects would be. The relativity signal is simply swamped by all that noise; it is corrected out of the data before any of its effects are even felt. Furthermore, it completely moronic to blithely assert, as these science popularizers are wont to do, that the relativistic errors would be additive, and that without Dr. Einstein's contributions your GPS would be off by thousands of kilometers in a matter of weeks. This is absurd. The triangulation system would function according to its own geometric logic regardless.

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories. Even if relativity were true, to say that the modern world "depends" on relativity is like saying that lightning depends on Maxwell's equations. This is, of course, patently ridiculous. The phenomena are what they are independent of any and all theorizing. If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all "work," it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.

    Finally, vociferous argumentation in favor of the unimpeachable trustworthiness of any scientific theory is an activity so utterly nullified by history that it is a wonder anyone still engages in it. In the end, all theories fail; whether they are superceded by others or simply fade into obscurity is irrelevant; the point is that they cease to be sincerely held beliefs by which men guide their lives. What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren't even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy. This, more than anything, is the final proof that Western science has shot its bolt.
  247. I think his beef is with cultural relativism not the theory of relativity. This was a common misunderstanding when the theory was new. Relativity has no bearing on human society, culture or religion.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That's not what he said. Re-read his comment. When someone who is nuts comes up to you and starts spouting nonsense, your first reaction is to try to make sense of what they are saying (we face this with Joe Biden every day). But if you keep listening you realize that you can only rationalize so much and that they are in fact nuts.
  248. @Anonymous
    I think his beef is with cultural relativism not the theory of relativity. This was a common misunderstanding when the theory was new. Relativity has no bearing on human society, culture or religion.

    That’s not what he said. Re-read his comment. When someone who is nuts comes up to you and starts spouting nonsense, your first reaction is to try to make sense of what they are saying (we face this with Joe Biden every day). But if you keep listening you realize that you can only rationalize so much and that they are in fact nuts.

  249. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?


    How's that again? Minsky is one of the guys accused of participating in Epstein's depredations. So this serves, in your mind , to distract from Epstein's depredations?? How about the opening of Chik fil a in Times Square? Is that also a way to distract the sheeple from Epstein? The conspiracy is even larger than we thought, eh? This is the epistemic equivalent of drawing bulls eyes around arrows already embedded in the target.
    , @Anonymous

    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.
     
    Seriously doubt that. That's gone away on its own.
  250. @Henry Canaday
    “The whole generation is womanized; the masculine tone is passing out of the world; it’s a feminine, nervous, hysterical, chattering, canting age, an age of hollow phrases and false delicacy and exaggerated solicitudes and coddled sensibilities, which, if we don’t soon look out, will usher in the reign of mediocrity, of the feeblest and the flattest and the most pretentious that has ever been. The masculine character, the ability to dare and endure, to know and yet not to fear reality, to look the world in the face and take it for what it is – a very queer and partly very base mixture – that is what I want to preserve, rather, as I may say, to recover; and I must say I don’t care in the least what becomes of you ladies while I make the attempt.”

    - character in “The Bostonians,” Henry James

    I love that passage.

  251. @anon
    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?

    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?

    How’s that again? Minsky is one of the guys accused of participating in Epstein’s depredations. So this serves, in your mind , to distract from Epstein’s depredations?? How about the opening of Chik fil a in Times Square? Is that also a way to distract the sheeple from Epstein? The conspiracy is even larger than we thought, eh? This is the epistemic equivalent of drawing bulls eyes around arrows already embedded in the target.

    • Replies: @anon
    How’s that again? Minsky is one of the guys accused of participating in Epstein’s depredations. So this serves, in your mind , to distract from Epstein’s depredations??

    Look at the words spilled over Minksy and Stallman. I see "17 year old girl". I don't see "Epstein". Or "Clinton". Or "Dershowitz". Or "Andrew". Or many other names.

    Minksy/Stallman deflects away from more interesting names, it is obvious. Just look at the media, what do you see, and what do you not see?
  252. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?

    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Seriously doubt that. That’s gone away on its own.

  253. @Jack D
    Why don't you do it? If relativity is just a parlor trick, you can surely uncover the charlatan and show us how the trick is done. For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.

    Lawyerguy on another threat was talking about how he once dealt with a black woman who seemed quite intelligent and not insane but then she matter of factly mentioned in passing that Alka-Seltzer cures cancer. You remind me of her.

    Why don’t you do it?

    “Doing it” is the easy part. It practically does itself. Relativity destroys simultaneity and with it the notion of absolute time, without which no physics can exist. And then, as the mother of all absurdities, it actually provides for the possibility of time travel, which no one who has the slightest insight into the nature of time can possibly entertain. Causality precedes physical theorizing; a theory which denies or destroys causality is not a physical theory at all.

    There are a few people who do understand this much. But then, in order to salvage what’s left of their worldview and avoid the massive cognitive dissonance that would result from facing the obvious problems, they either resort to their shallow Popperianisms (“Relativity doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to provide a theoretical structure that squares with observations.”) or they bite the bullet and proclaim that reality need not correspond with our a priori sense of causality, which (they suppose) only exists within consciousness and is only a human prejudice after all.

    [MORE]

    The spirit of such thinking is not only not scientific, it is literally antiscientific. It flies in the face of all logic, harmony, and sanity by denying that first principle of order which is the touchstone of all knowledge. Time travel, like negative densities, ought to be a gigantic red flag that something is wrong with your theory, but the modern physical researcher zooms right past this checkpoint with a sporting twinkle in his eye, as if he were smarter than the the universe, smarter than causality, smarter than God Himself.

    It is a trivial matter to show that relativity has to be wrong on first principles. That was the easy part. The hard part is trying to reanimate the decomposing corpse of scientific inquiry with another and better description. The Western world has long passed the point in its cultural decrescendo when new and better theories are even wanted, let alone suffered and labored for. Science was so 19th century; what we have now is insipid low-church scientism, of which you yourself are a prime example.

    For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.

    There are two things wrong with this idiotic statement, one which is a matter of fact and one which is a matter of logic.

    Firstly, the idea that the global positioning system could not function without relativistic corrections is another one of those long-debunked canards that is constantly touted by third-rate science popularizers but which has no basis in reality. The global positioning system does not depend on relativity in any way, shape, or form. The system needs constant recalibration due to normal station keeping difficulties—e.g. gravitational perturbation and atmospheric drag—that are orders of magnitude greater than any relativistic effects would be. The relativity signal is simply swamped by all that noise; it is corrected out of the data before any of its effects are even felt. Furthermore, it completely moronic to blithely assert, as these science popularizers are wont to do, that the relativistic errors would be additive, and that without Dr. Einstein’s contributions your GPS would be off by thousands of kilometers in a matter of weeks. This is absurd. The triangulation system would function according to its own geometric logic regardless.

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories. Even if relativity were true, to say that the modern world “depends” on relativity is like saying that lightning depends on Maxwell’s equations. This is, of course, patently ridiculous. The phenomena are what they are independent of any and all theorizing. If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all “work,” it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.

    Finally, vociferous argumentation in favor of the unimpeachable trustworthiness of any scientific theory is an activity so utterly nullified by history that it is a wonder anyone still engages in it. In the end, all theories fail; whether they are superceded by others or simply fade into obscurity is irrelevant; the point is that they cease to be sincerely held beliefs by which men guide their lives. What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren’t even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy. This, more than anything, is the final proof that Western science has shot its bolt.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Dissident

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories.[...]

    If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all “work,” it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.
    [...]
    What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren’t even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy.
     

    I am in agreement with the views expressed in the excerpts of ID's post that I reproduced above. As for the rest of what ID wrote, I am afraid that for most of it, at least, I lack the knowledge and expertise to either agree or disagree.
    , @Jack D
    Here is a concise explanation:

    http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

    What you are saying is doubletalk. If relativity did not exist, it would not be necessary to make relativistic corrections. The fact that these are necessary and that GPS would not function unless these were taken into account shows that Einstein was right and that the effects that he predicted in his theory in fact exist and in exactly the magnitude that his formulas predict. Gravity would exist without Newton too, because he was right and so was Einstein.

  254. @Intelligent Dasein

    Why don’t you do it?
     
    "Doing it" is the easy part. It practically does itself. Relativity destroys simultaneity and with it the notion of absolute time, without which no physics can exist. And then, as the mother of all absurdities, it actually provides for the possibility of time travel, which no one who has the slightest insight into the nature of time can possibly entertain. Causality precedes physical theorizing; a theory which denies or destroys causality is not a physical theory at all.

    There are a few people who do understand this much. But then, in order to salvage what's left of their worldview and avoid the massive cognitive dissonance that would result from facing the obvious problems, they either resort to their shallow Popperianisms ("Relativity doesn't have to make sense, it just has to provide a theoretical structure that squares with observations.") or they bite the bullet and proclaim that reality need not correspond with our a priori sense of causality, which (they suppose) only exists within consciousness and is only a human prejudice after all.

    The spirit of such thinking is not only not scientific, it is literally antiscientific. It flies in the face of all logic, harmony, and sanity by denying that first principle of order which is the touchstone of all knowledge. Time travel, like negative densities, ought to be a gigantic red flag that something is wrong with your theory, but the modern physical researcher zooms right past this checkpoint with a sporting twinkle in his eye, as if he were smarter than the the universe, smarter than causality, smarter than God Himself.

    It is a trivial matter to show that relativity has to be wrong on first principles. That was the easy part. The hard part is trying to reanimate the decomposing corpse of scientific inquiry with another and better description. The Western world has long passed the point in its cultural decrescendo when new and better theories are even wanted, let alone suffered and labored for. Science was so 19th century; what we have now is insipid low-church scientism, of which you yourself are a prime example.

    For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.
     
    There are two things wrong with this idiotic statement, one which is a matter of fact and one which is a matter of logic.

    Firstly, the idea that the global positioning system could not function without relativistic corrections is another one of those long-debunked canards that is constantly touted by third-rate science popularizers but which has no basis in reality. The global positioning system does not depend on relativity in any way, shape, or form. The system needs constant recalibration due to normal station keeping difficulties---e.g. gravitational perturbation and atmospheric drag---that are orders of magnitude greater than any relativistic effects would be. The relativity signal is simply swamped by all that noise; it is corrected out of the data before any of its effects are even felt. Furthermore, it completely moronic to blithely assert, as these science popularizers are wont to do, that the relativistic errors would be additive, and that without Dr. Einstein's contributions your GPS would be off by thousands of kilometers in a matter of weeks. This is absurd. The triangulation system would function according to its own geometric logic regardless.

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories. Even if relativity were true, to say that the modern world "depends" on relativity is like saying that lightning depends on Maxwell's equations. This is, of course, patently ridiculous. The phenomena are what they are independent of any and all theorizing. If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all "work," it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.

    Finally, vociferous argumentation in favor of the unimpeachable trustworthiness of any scientific theory is an activity so utterly nullified by history that it is a wonder anyone still engages in it. In the end, all theories fail; whether they are superceded by others or simply fade into obscurity is irrelevant; the point is that they cease to be sincerely held beliefs by which men guide their lives. What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren't even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy. This, more than anything, is the final proof that Western science has shot its bolt.

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories.[…]

    If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all “work,” it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.
    […]
    What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren’t even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy.

    I am in agreement with the views expressed in the excerpts of ID’s post that I reproduced above. As for the rest of what ID wrote, I am afraid that for most of it, at least, I lack the knowledge and expertise to either agree or disagree.

  255. The speed of light is constant. This has been established by experiment beyond all reasonable doubt. Relativity is the logical consequence of this. Nothing more.

  256. “The observer, when he seems to himself to be observing a stone, is really, if physics is to be believed, observing the effects of the stone upon himself. Thus science seems to be at war with itself: when it most means to be objective, it finds itself plunged into subjectivity against its will. Naive realism leads to physics, and physics, if true, shows that naive realism is false. Therefore naive realism, if true, is false; therefore it is false.”
    ― Bertrand Russell, An Inquiry Into Meaning and Truth

    Anonymous[876]: “Relativity has no bearing on human society, culture or religion.”

    It has as much bearing as we allow it to have. Adopting a scientific view of reality involves abandoning the naive realism that underpins human society, culture, and religion.

  257. In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    I agree with another commenter that this is over the top. Stallman did not invent or write Unix (the AT&T-developed operating system and set of software tools). Neither did he develop Linux (the free version of the Unix kernel, and what one would typically think of as the operating system). He mainly worked on the GNU (free) versions of the Unix software tools, and formulated and communicated some good ideas about using and distributing software.

    That said, there’s absolutely no reason to hound him out of his vocation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple,
     
    Until the second coming of Jobs and the adoption of a stripped subset of NeXTSTEP as Mac OS X, Apple had nothing at all to do with anything Stallman worked on, nothing whatever. Indeed, the FSF and Apple were at war ovr something or other Apple did, and FSF put out the famous Fanged Apple logo merch, which is now valuable. Apple ceased and desisted and the FSF quit selling the fanged Apple merch, which is why it's valuable.

    Arguably Apple would have been better off to buy BeOS, Gassee's single user multiprocessor threaded OS, than NeXT.

    At that, NeXT also was not particularly dependent on GNU software either. Their mistake was they licensed tons of code from multiple sources and agreed to pay royalties on every unit sold. When they were in the hardware business, this worked pretty well but when they went to a software only model they had to charge so much that it was utterly uneconomic. NeXT User was $999 and next developer $4999. By this time, Linux and BSD4.4lite were on the horizon, indeed in production use in places, and there was no market at this price besides a couple of Wall Street houses that had developed on the NeXT box.

    Had NeXT been able to sell their OS for one-tenth those prices they would have done very well, since the environment was radically better than Windows 95 both for users and developers. Mac OS X didn't come out until 2001-2002, five-plus years after NeXT was no longer for sale, and did not include any of the things that made NeXT great besides having Unix underneath.
  258. @Intelligent Dasein

    Why don’t you do it?
     
    "Doing it" is the easy part. It practically does itself. Relativity destroys simultaneity and with it the notion of absolute time, without which no physics can exist. And then, as the mother of all absurdities, it actually provides for the possibility of time travel, which no one who has the slightest insight into the nature of time can possibly entertain. Causality precedes physical theorizing; a theory which denies or destroys causality is not a physical theory at all.

    There are a few people who do understand this much. But then, in order to salvage what's left of their worldview and avoid the massive cognitive dissonance that would result from facing the obvious problems, they either resort to their shallow Popperianisms ("Relativity doesn't have to make sense, it just has to provide a theoretical structure that squares with observations.") or they bite the bullet and proclaim that reality need not correspond with our a priori sense of causality, which (they suppose) only exists within consciousness and is only a human prejudice after all.

    The spirit of such thinking is not only not scientific, it is literally antiscientific. It flies in the face of all logic, harmony, and sanity by denying that first principle of order which is the touchstone of all knowledge. Time travel, like negative densities, ought to be a gigantic red flag that something is wrong with your theory, but the modern physical researcher zooms right past this checkpoint with a sporting twinkle in his eye, as if he were smarter than the the universe, smarter than causality, smarter than God Himself.

    It is a trivial matter to show that relativity has to be wrong on first principles. That was the easy part. The hard part is trying to reanimate the decomposing corpse of scientific inquiry with another and better description. The Western world has long passed the point in its cultural decrescendo when new and better theories are even wanted, let alone suffered and labored for. Science was so 19th century; what we have now is insipid low-church scientism, of which you yourself are a prime example.

    For something that is a parlor trick, much of the modern world (for example GPS) depends on it.
     
    There are two things wrong with this idiotic statement, one which is a matter of fact and one which is a matter of logic.

    Firstly, the idea that the global positioning system could not function without relativistic corrections is another one of those long-debunked canards that is constantly touted by third-rate science popularizers but which has no basis in reality. The global positioning system does not depend on relativity in any way, shape, or form. The system needs constant recalibration due to normal station keeping difficulties---e.g. gravitational perturbation and atmospheric drag---that are orders of magnitude greater than any relativistic effects would be. The relativity signal is simply swamped by all that noise; it is corrected out of the data before any of its effects are even felt. Furthermore, it completely moronic to blithely assert, as these science popularizers are wont to do, that the relativistic errors would be additive, and that without Dr. Einstein's contributions your GPS would be off by thousands of kilometers in a matter of weeks. This is absurd. The triangulation system would function according to its own geometric logic regardless.

    Secondly, it is physical theories that depend upon facts, not facts upon theories. Even if relativity were true, to say that the modern world "depends" on relativity is like saying that lightning depends on Maxwell's equations. This is, of course, patently ridiculous. The phenomena are what they are independent of any and all theorizing. If lasers, Doppler radar, and solid-state circuitry all "work," it is because physical reality allows them to, not because some theory came along and declared it to be so by fiat.

    Finally, vociferous argumentation in favor of the unimpeachable trustworthiness of any scientific theory is an activity so utterly nullified by history that it is a wonder anyone still engages in it. In the end, all theories fail; whether they are superceded by others or simply fade into obscurity is irrelevant; the point is that they cease to be sincerely held beliefs by which men guide their lives. What history clearly reveals is that those who expressed legitimate misgivings about the unshakable theories of their time, even and especially in the absence of any posited alternatives, were more wise, more prudent, and more human than their contemporary scientific partisans. Relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution have these days usurped the place that is supposed to be held by metaphysics. They aren't even conceived under the right category, let alone questioned as to their accuracy. This, more than anything, is the final proof that Western science has shot its bolt.

    Here is a concise explanation:

    http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

    What you are saying is doubletalk. If relativity did not exist, it would not be necessary to make relativistic corrections. The fact that these are necessary and that GPS would not function unless these were taken into account shows that Einstein was right and that the effects that he predicted in his theory in fact exist and in exactly the magnitude that his formulas predict. Gravity would exist without Newton too, because he was right and so was Einstein.

  259. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch
    By the way, all this coverage of the late Minksy and Stallman does serve a purpose. It takes attention away from the late Epstein, his island, his airplane, the famous people who flew on his airplane to his island, and the network of others who covered for him.

    Now, why would anyone want to do that?


    How's that again? Minsky is one of the guys accused of participating in Epstein's depredations. So this serves, in your mind , to distract from Epstein's depredations?? How about the opening of Chik fil a in Times Square? Is that also a way to distract the sheeple from Epstein? The conspiracy is even larger than we thought, eh? This is the epistemic equivalent of drawing bulls eyes around arrows already embedded in the target.

    How’s that again? Minsky is one of the guys accused of participating in Epstein’s depredations. So this serves, in your mind , to distract from Epstein’s depredations??

    Look at the words spilled over Minksy and Stallman. I see “17 year old girl”. I don’t see “Epstein”. Or “Clinton”. Or “Dershowitz”. Or “Andrew”. Or many other names.

    Minksy/Stallman deflects away from more interesting names, it is obvious. Just look at the media, what do you see, and what do you not see?

  260. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Antiwar7

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
     
    I agree with another commenter that this is over the top. Stallman did not invent or write Unix (the AT&T-developed operating system and set of software tools). Neither did he develop Linux (the free version of the Unix kernel, and what one would typically think of as the operating system). He mainly worked on the GNU (free) versions of the Unix software tools, and formulated and communicated some good ideas about using and distributing software.

    That said, there's absolutely no reason to hound him out of his vocation.

    In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple,

    Until the second coming of Jobs and the adoption of a stripped subset of NeXTSTEP as Mac OS X, Apple had nothing at all to do with anything Stallman worked on, nothing whatever. Indeed, the FSF and Apple were at war ovr something or other Apple did, and FSF put out the famous Fanged Apple logo merch, which is now valuable. Apple ceased and desisted and the FSF quit selling the fanged Apple merch, which is why it’s valuable.

    Arguably Apple would have been better off to buy BeOS, Gassee’s single user multiprocessor threaded OS, than NeXT.

    At that, NeXT also was not particularly dependent on GNU software either. Their mistake was they licensed tons of code from multiple sources and agreed to pay royalties on every unit sold. When they were in the hardware business, this worked pretty well but when they went to a software only model they had to charge so much that it was utterly uneconomic. NeXT User was $999 and next developer $4999. By this time, Linux and BSD4.4lite were on the horizon, indeed in production use in places, and there was no market at this price besides a couple of Wall Street houses that had developed on the NeXT box.

    Had NeXT been able to sell their OS for one-tenth those prices they would have done very well, since the environment was radically better than Windows 95 both for users and developers. Mac OS X didn’t come out until 2001-2002, five-plus years after NeXT was no longer for sale, and did not include any of the things that made NeXT great besides having Unix underneath.

  261. @Bill P
    Barth and a lot of commenters here are looking at the Stallman cancellation the wrong way.

    Barth is saying "look at all Stallman has done. How dare you metoo such a prominent, accomplished guy!"

    Well, I suppose so. The Sino-African is a noxious young lady, but that is not the most important issue here.

    What's of far more consequence is the fact that had Stallman arrived on campus as a young unknown a year or two ago he would have been squished like a bug before he could accomplish anything.

    That's why it's more important to stand up for the weak, the defenseless and the low-status. The principle that all men, regardless of whether they are accomplished big shots or not, deserve liberties and rights, is exactly what allowed Stallman to become a great computer scientist despite his obvious weaknesses.

    Somehow, our society seems to have forgotten this principle, so I'd like to do my part and remind people of it.

    So, to sum it up:

    Stallman is not entitled to liberties and rights because he is a great computer scientist; Stallman is a great computer scientist because he was afforded the liberties and rights that American men fought for and established in these United States.

    Sadly, this is something that Stallman himself probably doesn't understand.

    Stallman isn’t a great computer scientist, or even a mediocre computer scientist, it’s debatable whether he qualifies as a ‘computer scientist’ at all.

    Here is his list of publications according to the comprehensive DPLB

    https://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/s/Stallman:Richard_M=

    He wrote a total of three papers which could be said to be computer science—back in the ’70s

    Only one is of any consequence, and that was co-authored with Sussman of Scheme and SICP fame.

    Stallman’s other 8 publications over the rest of his career are not computer science.

    You’d be hard pressed to find a computer scientist who had contributed less to computer science.

  262. @Jack D
    I dunno about the contrast with the Soviet Union. People who stayed away from politics and confined themselves to doing math or science without political implications could (sometimes) do their own thing and be pretty much left alone, which is why some very significant mathematical and scientific work came out of the USSR. Russians, even Soviets, had great respect for intellectual accomplishment. They understood that genius really exists and did not have Selam's/Moochelle's shitty attitude that "They're not that smart."

    In modern Russia, you have Grigori Perelman, whose (lack of) social skills makes Stallman seem like a social giant in comparison. I'd say that in some respects the modern US is WORSE than the Soviet Union when it comes to treatment of male scientific geniuses with limited social skills like Stallman. I don't make this charge lightly because for the most part when Americans compare the US to the USSR, most of the time they have no idea of how the USSR existed on a completely different plane of shitty literally unimaginable to Americans.

    This is wrong:
    Nobody was left alone to do their own thing in the Soviet Union, least of all people capable of consequential actions.
    Math and science learning was massively talent searched. The first stages were unforgiving rote memorization and constant drilling.
    Once you were known to be good, you were not left alone, you were shepherded and rewarded. You lived in a separate, parallel Soviet Union, where everything was better. Your motivation to go political became blunted (which makes people like Sakharov all the greater).
    When personal microcomputers started to take off in the US, the Soviets realized they were way behind and couldn’t catch up, precisely because of styles of education. Jobs and Woz would never have been permitted to fool around in a garage, they would be working ten hour days over a slide rule.

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