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Or at least Martin Luther King’s Pulitzer-winning biographer David Garrow is #MeTooing the icon. Garrow is a heavyweight left-of-center historian. I’ve read his gigantic Obama biography Rising Star. (Here’s Garrow on Obama’s cocaine use.)

From the Daily Mail:

Writing in British magazine Standpoint, Garrow says that the shocking files could lead to a ‘painful historical reckoning’ for the man who is celebrated across the world for his campaign against racial injustice.

It’s interesting that there apparently wasn’t much interest in this topic in the U.S. media world that Garrow, an American writer, is publishing in Britain.

Along with many US civil rights figures, King was subject to an FBI campaign of surveillance ordered by Director J Edgar Hoover in an effort to undermine his power amid fears he could have links to the Communist Party. …

The FBI surveillance tapes detailing his indiscretions are being held in a vault at the U.S. National Archives and are not due for release until 2027.

But David Garrow, a biographer of King who won a Pulitzer Prize for his 1987 book Bearing the Cross about the Baptist minister, has unearthed the FBI summaries of the various incidents.

So Garrow hasn’t listened to the tapes, but he has read FBI agents’ write-ups of the contents of the tapes, which doesn’t seem all that definitive. This doesn’t sound too new overall, but apparently there are new details.

 
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  1. Janusm says:

    ive always wondered, who can declassify tapes ahead of 2027? another fed judge? Trump? why dont they?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jack Hanson
  2. Generally speaking, black people get a pass on #MeToo, so I think he will be safe.

  3. JimDandy says:

    It’s not new news. But the fact that a lefty heavyweight is #metooing MLK is a very big development, and so is the fact that he read the reports.

    The left can respond by either:

    1.) Start the process of calling for the tearing down of all MLK statues–and, if they are feeling really ambitious, all street signs bearing MLK’s name.

    or

    2.) Ignore of dismiss this as boring, since the smoking gun is still more than 7 years away.

    Pretty easy bet.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @216
  4. Isn’t all that definitive? What’s that supposed to mean? Supposedly, King had 40 to 45 affairs and laughed while a pastor friend raped a parishioner. What difference does it make whether the writer heard the tapes or read FBI agents’ notes of the tapes?

  5. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The site martinlutherking.org had a treasure trove of MLK information in which Garrow was frequently quoted. But that site has been suppressed and like an idiot I didn’t cache it or capture screen shots.

    The bottom line was that almost his entire dissertation was cribbed from other unattributed sources.

    He was an utter and complete phony who may well have been killed by his own communist handlers when they decided he was an asset dead and a liability alive. Unfortunately I know of no good site now that enumerates all the stuff he was doing any more: they appear to have been suppressed effectively.

  6. Just think of how many streets will have to be renamed…

  7. in 2027 why would they open the files?

    democrats will be in full, permanent control of the US by then, so they’ll seal the records forever, or wipe them “Like with a cloth or something”.

    speaking of that, why did the trump administration push back the tubman $20 to 2026? why not just cancel it outright? the next democrat administration will start printing tubman 20s almost right away, then move on to replacing all the other bills and coins next, so why even pretend to go along with what the previous democrats wanted? democrats NEVER do this. they just cancel the republican projects.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  8. Mr. Anon says:

    I thought that FBI agents were all heros – stalwart, upright defenders of the Republic, protecting it from the clutches of the unworthy. Here they were keeping tabs on a known russia-stooge and p**sy-grabber. How can anyone questions the actions of these members of the “intelligence community”.

    • Replies: @bored identity
  9. anon[825] • Disclaimer says:

    The archives are sealed, but a writer “unearths” them. Glad to see the MLK brand tarnished, but the leaker of sealed archives should go to jail.
    Also looking forward to the day when we take down MLK statues and signs, not for #MeToo reasons, but because the Civil Rights movement was anti-democratic and wrong about many things.

  10. This won’t get MSM coverage until Trump tweets a stupid comment. And then they will just #Me Too Trump again. MLK is not going anywhere.

    • Agree: TWS, Forbes
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Forbes
  11. @Federalist

    “What difference does it make whether the writer heard the tapes or read FBI agents’ notes of the tapes?”

    ‘cuz Mahtun, bruh.

  12. @Buffalo Joe

    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The wokerati are way to the left of King on race. Content of their character really sticks in their craw.

  13. Maybe the left is ready to drop Martin.

    Most of the time he is invoked today, it’s by some white conservative who is trying to tamp things down and is probably nostalgic for the days of the “non-violent negro Christian semi-rational protestor”.

    Meanwhile I think the fellas these days find Denzel, oh, I mean, Malcolm the more compelling figure to emulate.

  14. And then they came for FFA:

    FFA failing to connect with farming needs of the future, ag teacher says

    Sorry, we’ve used our quota of free reads, so someone else will have to supply the details.

  15. Lugash says:
    @Federalist

    1960s FBI agents were very, very straight laced. It’s not impossible that they could have misinterpreted sexual banter.

    Does anyone have the link to the actual article in Standpoint? Odd that a DSA member is writing in what appears to be an alt-right-lite mag.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @The Z Blog
  16. @Reg Cæsar

    I read it – I’m sure you can guess the details.

    • Replies: @bomag
  17. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    King’s behavior was well documented at the time-in small right wing publications affiliated with “known racist groups” or with the John Birch Society, which was not racist and kicked its most acdemically distinguished founder, Revilo P Oliver, out for being racist (he really was) but had a very serious case of cooties.

    Oliver suspected that the JBS actually was financed by Rockefellers and other established globalist forces. This seemed to make no sense until the principle of cooties is understood. Works just like “radiation pressure” in a thermonuclear warhead. They couldn’t keep the activities of the CFR, Bilderbergers, et all secret so they themselves told all-but associated it with cooties so it would be rejected, even though true.

    That grown adults run in terror from cooties seems unbelievable, but evidence seems to prove it.

    • Replies: @Rich
  18. Anon[990] • Disclaimer says:

    MLK’s sexual indiscretions have been an open secret for decades.

    The British MSM isn’t as PC, so this type of stuff is more mentionable over there.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    , @David In TN
  19. @Desiderius

    Nah, they’ll just bring up the Playboy interview were he supports affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Bruce County
  20. Ed says:

    Well the fervor to rename buildings named after slave owning founders and Confederates might down a bit as a result of these findings.

  21. David Garrow, white male, initiates process of #metooing Martin Luther King, Jr.

    I don’t think he has thought this through.

    • LOL: Kylie
  22. I predict the story will vanish without a trace in the US. MLK sainthood and all that goes with it is too good of a moneymaking tool, and weapon to use against non-minorities, for the keepers of the sainthood to give it up.

    • Agree: bomag, Bruce County, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Anon
  23. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    I imagine the info is out there in print somewhere. KGB archives, if nothing else.

    I’ve always figured he was the face and voice of a movement. His chaotic personal life doesn’t promote the notion of someone with high end organizational skills.

    The Left covers for their icons much better than the Right. I was always puzzled by Robert Byrd’s ability to be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Simply Simon
  24. @Reg Cæsar

    FFA isn’t doing enough to recruit Hispanics, and apparently Hmong. Also, Future Farmers of America became just FFA in 1988, not 1998. I know because I was in when that happened.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  25. @ScarletNumber

    They could cover the ‘King’ and rename the streets for the Protestant reformer … wait, never mind.

  26. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    Alleged daughter and her mother won’t talk to Garrow? Unless the daughter is childless, this will eventually come out, in these Sally Hemmings DNA times.

  27. I want hear the audio of King telling that dirty joke about Jackie at JFK’s funeral.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  28. bomag says:
    @Sextus Empiricus

    I’m sure you can guess the details

    LOL

    A fill-in-the-blank essay triggered the usual.

    In it [the essay], he said the FFA is not respectful enough of Latinos, not aggressive enough in promoting women of color to leadership positions, has a dress code that marginalizes people who don’t subscribe to conventional gender norms and in general reflects a leadership that’s predominantly white, heterosexual and Christian.

    Leaders of the organization say they are listening to Roiger, who was recently one of its student leaders.

    “It drove home that the work that we’re doing at National FFA to elevate inclusion, diversity and equity in the organization is important,” said Mark Poeschl, CEO of National FFA, based in Indianapolis. “We want to make FFA a welcoming place for all students.”

    I’ve thought farming got a pass because it’s too important to grow enough food for all the Democrat voters to come.

    If we have a more diverse pipeline, then we can have more innovative and creative ideas

    Most everything of note in Ag has been done by a White guy or a fancy Asian. Let’s watch and see if our rising political overlords can wreck the place in service to their notion of purity. The efforts of Stalin and Mao are not encouraging, but maybe the current crop has actually learned something from the past.

  29. 216 says:
    @JimDandy

    Replacing MLK Jr with James Baldwin in the Prog Pantheon is the likely outcome.

    Baldwin was odiously anti-white, and gay. No color-blind speeches to throw off the message of resentment.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @JimDandy
    , @JohnnyD
  30. @ScarletNumber

    “Just think of how many streets will have to be renamed…”

    Well, let’s see, we already have an old tradition of naming roads and such after presidents, and a newer tradition of naming roads and such after prominent mixed-blood fellas, so what person who fits both categories would be monomaniacally narcissistic enough to destroy the legacy of MLK and put a lot of street names up for reconsideration?

    Barack H. Obama Blvd., anyone?

  31. The best way to keep the left from tearing down various and sundry monuments and cultural icons, both literally and metaphorically, is to let it be known that MLK is fair game. It might be necessary to take him down a peg or two to put things back in proper perspective. Now that the society is imploding, it behooves white America to stop being so nice and fifty years on, rub their noses in the same shit that the rest of us have had to endure.

    It is incredibly important that when the MLK files due to be opened up in 2027 that they are actually released. My guess is that there will be the mother of all battles to keep them suppressed for all the obvious reasons. If they are, there will be 100 years of a multicultural boot stomping in white America’s face. If they are released, assuming they are as bad as I am guessing, it might be possible to have an ‘understanding’ among the races each others icons are off limits. Just replace “I have a dream” with “where are the white women?”. Turn about is fair play.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  32. The movie Barbershop came out in 2002, so this is old hat.

  33. Was the 50-year seal essentially a bet that by 2027 we’d have degenerated to such moral obtuseness that nobody would care anymore?

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Joe Magarac
  34. DuanDiRen says:
    @ScarletNumber

    You couldn’t be more wrong. At the high school and college level, the most overrepresented group of men getting #MeToo’d are black guys. They are more likely to be accused, less likely to lawyer up properly when accused, and women are more vindictive about it. Heartiste could probably explain why.

  35. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    King was subject to an FBI campaign of surveillance ordered by Director J Edgar Hoover in an effort to undermine his power

    If these allegations were really true, wouldn’t they have published them when they were trying to “undermine King’s power”?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    , @Yngvar
  36. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    A problem with campus-origin left-wing ideology is that it tends to be internally inconsistent and not well thought out, because they do not engage with critics, so gaping logic holes are never plugged. For instance, when it was pointed out that they were being racist to whites (Saul Alinsky rule 4, “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules”), they came up with “racism cannot be directed at whites, because they have power.” When it’s pointed out that whites do not have power, on campuses, they revert to Yes they do and shut up.

    Anyway …

    Has anyone ever framed the European colonization of the Americas explicitly as economic and political migrantion while comparing that to modern day migrants in Europe and the southern U.S. border? In other words, the Indians were racist, xenophobic NIMBYs keeping out the underprivileged?

    There would be so many hilarious parallels:

    — Europeans brought diseases. But isn’t that a racist trope used today (measles, tuberclulosis, ebola)?

    — Europeans came in huge numbers, or had many children: But attempts today at numerical limits are criticized.

    — Indians became a minority in their own country: Well, yes.

    It could go on and on.

    The flipside frame is to say that modern migrants are colonists, colonizing the countries they enter. This is said of course. But a more detail critique using campus academic colonialism theory would probably produce hilarious results.

  37. Lot says:
    @Janusm

    It is probably a statue and can’t be changed outside act of congress.

    Census date becomes public after 70 years. Other stuff 20, 50, 70 years after someone’s death.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  38. Lot says:
    @216

    There’s a Baldwin debate at Oxford Union that you will see lefties describe like the second coming of Lincoln or Cicero.

    I watched it, and he was just awful, style, content, everything. He just droned on and on.

    And yet the upper class Englishmen in the audience, born circa 1948, awarded him with massive applause.

    In other words, the Ta of his generation.

  39. Bill P says:

    The MLK cult is the closest thing the US has to state-sponsored religion, so Garrow is wise to avoid publishing here.

    However, the King theology is getting shopworn, as it at least nominally supported equality and harmony between the races. The new progressive ideology is basically an inversion of Nazism in which white Christians must be crushed and destroyed.

    As for King himself, I doubt he had any consistent theology at all. He just stole other people’s ideas and let others write his speeches while he engaged in extremely hypocritical behavior behind the scenes.

    In that respect, he wasn’t much better than the pederast Catholic priests of his generation. Just about all you could say in his favor is “at least he wasn’t sodomizing boys.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ben tillman
  40. Anon[990] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    MLK is the new Jesus Christ.

    He died for America’s sins.

  41. Puremania says:

    MLK also ripped off the “I have a dream” speech from black republican Archibald Carey. You can hear the two original deliveries compared at YouTube…for now.

  42. Mr. Blank says:

    This will meet the same fate as all the other negative information that has come out about MLK: Historians will grudgingly acknowledge it in contexts where they have no other choice (such as books or articles aimed at a highly-informed audience in the top 2 percent of the IQ distribution), but it will mostly be passed over in silence. In the popular imagination, it will all be chalked up to Hoover and his evil, lying FBI. Unless truly damning info comes to light — film or video or DNA results — it will all be brushed aside as hearsay.

    The current political order is too heavily invested in the MLK story to just up and abandon it. That would require a massive rewriting of the narrative. Such a revision may eventually be possible — but not within the current order.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  43. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Federalist

    It sounds a bit too salacious, like something out of a Hollywood movie or Rolling Stone “Rape on Campus!” article. The “sitting there laughing while his friend rapes a woman” part I mean; the affairs I think are a matter of historical record at this point.

    The FBI has a tendency to exaggerate (or outright fabricate) evidence against those it dislikes; human nature combined with the thuggish authoritarian tendencies inherent to people attracted to that line of work. It’s important to remember that King was not regarded as a saint like he is today; he was a troublemaker who was politically radical and angered a large number of important people. We’ve seen what the FBI does (or tries to do) to loud-mouthed subversives.

  44. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Lot

    Whites have only two modes or choices with Blacks. Servile groveling or the Klan. That’s it. Wish it were different but it is not.

  45. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:

    He was black and his behavior for a black finding himself in a position of celebrity and influence was pretty much par for the course. It’s a black thing and they all know about it and accept it; they just don’t advertise it to white people. He doesn’t lose any credibility with blacks and even adds to his stature with many black males with this. Whites are shocked, shocked to hear of this.

  46. @Anonymous

    Right. However, when Garrow’s article actually appears, we’ll have a chance to evaluate his evaluation of these summaries.

  47. JimDandy says:
    @216

    Possible problem with that: He presented as bi, and was often accompanied by women. Beards or not, who knows? Maybe he got drunk and cracked one over the head with an absinthe bottle.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  48. JimDandy says:
    @Whiskey

    There is a third way. I’ve always said (even though I have no way of actually knowing) that if I was black I would fucking hate white liberals, because they are the worst kinds of racists–condescending and superior and objectifying AND fawning. I try to hold black people to the same standard as whites–and I’m literally not capable of engaging in the type of grotesque negro-head-patting white Progressives revel in. I get along with pretty well with black people I know better than casually.

    • Replies: @Bruce County
    , @anon
    , @L Woods
  49. Lot says:

    Some of the FBI reports are outlandish.

    King watched a rape one night, then a 12 person orgy the next? Just happened to happen at a hotel the FBI had illegally bugged?

    I got a feeling the agents were giving Hoover what he wanted to hear.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @CAL2
  50. Cortes says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Goons will be taking a close look at the robot:

    “46]

    Raspberry blowing
    Edit
    As well as a comic device randomly inserted into different sketches to avoid silence, the blowing of raspberries entered the Goons as Harry Secombe’s signal to the other actors that he was going to crack up; you would hear a joke from him, a raspberry, and a stream of laughter. In the Goons’ musical recording “The Ying-Tong Song”, Milligan performed a solo for raspberry-blower, as one might for tuba or baritone saxophone. Milligan made much use of a rather surreal Columbia 78RPM sound effects disc, catalogue number YB20, which bears the innocuous title “Donkey” on the label. Approximating possibly to the most obscene and flatulent noise ever recorded, it appeared first in the show “The Sinking of Westminster Pier” as a sound to accompany an oyster opening its shell; it thereafter became known as Fred the Oyster, and appears as such in the scripts. This recording was often used as a reaction to a bad joke. Examples include The Last Goon Show of All where Neddie shouts old jokes into a fuel tank in order to “start the show”.

    Years later, Milligan collaborated with Ronnie Barker on The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town in which the credits read, “Raspberries professionally blown by Spike Milligan”. David Jason has also claimed to have produced the sound effect and indeed was credited with this in the second segment of Ronnie Barker’s LWT series Six Dates with Barker (1971).[47]”

    (Wikipedia)

  51. BenKenobi says:
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, are you saying that the negro is either at your feet or at your throat?

    Also, what kind of whiskey are you?

    my guess: Johnny Walker Blue, neat

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Reg Cæsar
  52. Altai says:

    The apparently new detail is the incident where another Baptist preacher holds down and rapes (One of his own congregation?) a woman who rebuffs his advances while King looks on and jokingly gives advice to the the rapist.

  53. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous

    The stories about Jim Jones are pretty salacious, too, but I think they’re probably true. I’ve personally witnessed some truly vile behavior in my day, but from things my elders told me (in a couple cases shortly before they died) about the 60s/70s I don’t think I’ve seen all that much (in the US, at least). I don’t think these accusations seem all that out of the ordinary for the times.

    Not long after I got out of high school, a man shot and killed one of the teachers at my school for sodomizing him years earlier. Another one of my teachers committed suicide when some things came to light. For quite some time people got away with a lot.

    I saw a some of this stuff in Asia around 20 years ago, but it’s a different continent so it only taught me what people are capable of rather than what was going on in America during the sexual revolution, but I’m guessing it was probably the same.

    I used to read The eXile when Taibbi and Ames ran it back in the 90s, and it described a situation that looked a lot like the US in the late 60s/early 70s, and I know that, although they changed some details here and there, they were not exaggerating. I don’t think most of the readers or commenters (or Steve himself for that matter) have ever really been exposed to this stuff, which is fortunate, but I think they are unaware of how utterly depraved people can be, especially when they know they can get away with it.

    So, salacious? Maybe — depending on your perspective. But unrealistic or implausible? I don’t think so. Not at all.

    • Agree: Kylie
  54. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Some interesting details:

    The Guardian spiked the story at the last minute: SJWs pressuring from below?

    The Atlantic and the Washington Post chickened out.

    — An unnamed web magazine “whose raison d’etre is to fight for free speech” wouldn’t print it. Quillette*?

    — The FBI summaries came from among 19,000 documents released by Donald Trump in 2018 relating to the Kennedy assasination.

    — The law requiring the release of such documents was passed in the wake of Oliver Stone’s freaky conspiracy movie JFK.

    — The FBI just let a rape and other shit happen to protect sources and methods.

    — Eight percent of the membership of the U.S. Communist Party were FBI informants.

    *”Quillette is a platform for free thought. We respect ideas, even dangerous ones. We also believe that free expression and the free exchange of ideas help human societies flourish and progress. Quillette aims to provide a platform for this exchange.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @keypusher
  55. Bill P says:
    @Lot

    What’s so outlandish about that? There’s nothing incongruous there.

  56. @bomag

    I’m worried that they’ll “improve” the FFA Creed next. “For I believe rural America can and will hold true to the best traditions of our national life, and hope to do my part in that inspiring task”.(Final line of the FFA creed) How unwoke is that? No one the Ivies don’t want FFA members!

  57. And Then They Came for MLK …

    Wait, is Boston’s planned huge bronze glob going to be cancelled now? I was hoping to do some surprise Heimlich body slams under the sculpture next summer.

    https://www.cnn.com/style/article/embrace-mlk-memorial-boston-intl-scli/index.html

    • Replies: @bomag
  58. vinteuil says:
    @anon

    the leaker of sealed archives should go to jail.

    So should anybody go to jail for the publication of the supposedly sealed divorce records of Blair Hull & Jack Ryan?

    Like that could ever happen.

    What kind of a world do you think that we are living in?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  59. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    the leaker of sealed archives should go to jail.

    Nobody leaked any archives. The tapes are still under wraps.

    The FBI summary documnts that the writer obtained were from the 19,000-document tranche of JFK assasination-related documents that came out last year under the John F. Kennedy Records Act of 1992.

    Wikipedia:

    On April 26, NARA released another 19,045 documents in accordance with President Trump’s order. These releases include FBI, CIA, and other agency documents (both formerly withheld in part and formerly withheld in full) identified by the Assassination Records Review Board as assassination records. While no more documents required to be released under section 5 remain withheld in full, some still remain withheld in part and will not be declassified until 2021.

    These documents follow a number of document releases under the Act in 2017. This was all carried out with bombastic tweets from the president, which made the news, so you may remember it.

    The reason why MLK stuff was released is that the JFK Records Act defined “assasination-related” very broadly. It was passed shortly after Oliver Stone’s febrile conspiracy movie, and some legislators were convince that there was stuff being hidden. You may remember a similar situation with Roswell and Area 51, where Congress ordered the Air Force to compile a huge report about aliens, or the lack thereof.

  60. Chriscom says:

    “It sounds a bit too salacious, like something out of a Hollywood movie or Rolling Stone “Rape on Campus!” article. The “sitting there laughing while his friend rapes a woman” part I mean; the affairs I think are a matter of historical record at this point.”

    Exactly my thought.

    For everyone saying the findings are old hat, I sure don’t recall allegations of rape.

  61. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil

    A world in which one of its most effective journalists has been indicted for espionage.

  62. bomag says:
    @Anon

    Agree here; good points.

    But the Left is quite adept at deflecting criticism; unlike the Right, which seems to descend into “kneeling morons”, promising to follow all the rules and uphold internal purity.

    E.g., pointing out to liberal acquaintances that they live and work in essentially 100% non-Black environments (cf B. Sanders; L. Warren) has no effect; they just wave it away.

  63. Pericles says:
    @anon

    the leaker of sealed archives should go to jail.

    That would put the New York Times out of business, and we can’t have that.

  64. Pericles says:
    @Prof. Woland

    “I have a dream … of white women.”

  65. bomag says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    [the Embrace] dedicated to civil rights pioneers Martin Luther King Jr. and his wife Coretta Scott King…

    LOL. I wonder if there will be a different embracee announced every week.

    English said that he created King Boston in September 2017 as he had become “depressed and worried about some of the racism” which had emerged in America, and wanted his city to “do something positive” to show that there are still people who care about racial equality.

    Public art as therapy. We all must wail and gnash our teeth at the subject of the day.

  66. Jake says:

    MLK was a Wilt Chamberlain level pus-hound. And at least in streaks, he liked them young. My bet would be that at a minimum, while he was a Civil Rights preacher traveling to do selfless good and become the Black Messiah, MLK had his way with several hundred females, 2 or 3 dozen of which were underage.

    There also was a lot of dope in the MLK inner circle, far more than most people can imagine possible before Woodstock. And definitely more than a bit of sodomy, including pederasty.

    Making MLK your moral icon is like making Sly Stone your professor of Moral Philosophy with Little Richard his confessor.

    Which 2 groups made MLK that moral icon? It sure as all Hell was not any form of white southerner. It wasn’t Irish Catholics, or Italian or Polish or Czech/Slovak or Croatian or Spanish or Portuguese or Mexican Catholics. It wasn’t any Eastern Orthodox. It wasn’t lower midwestern Scots-Irish.

    It was WASP Elites and Jews. Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  67. @prime noticer

    2026 is probably enough time to where the 20 dollar bill will be worth what a fiver is now. I’ll just carry Benjamins and Hamiltons (unless they fill him in black) and refuse twenties as change, along with Lincolns, as I don’t respect him any more than Harriet Tubman.

    Or, I’ll wear cargo pants and fill those big pockets with quarters.

  68. Jay James says:

    So the summaries are available? I haven’t heard this before. Why aren’t they on the web?

  69. Is it true that many of the women MLK had affairs with were White?

  70. @ScarletNumber

    Think of how many U2 songs will need to be rewritten!!

    I want to run, I want to hide
    I want to tear down the walls that hold me inside
    I wanna reach out and touch the flame
    When the streets are renamed

    I want to feel sunlight on my face
    I see that dust cloud disappear without a trace
    I wanna take shelter from the poison rain
    When the streets are renamed, oh oh
    When the streets are renamed
    When the streets are renamed

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  71. AceDeuce says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s not quite true. Hoover was carrying out orders from his boss, AG Robert Kennedy, who was carrying out orders from his boss/brother President Kennedy. JFK issued a covert Executive Order to surveil King in October, 1963. The primary reason was King’s Communist ties, which the Kennedys had repeatedly warned King about, to no avail.

    Both Garrow and Taylor Branch, to name two King biographers, have recounted, in previous books, some published many years ago, similar sex stories based on FBI transcripts, including February 22, 1964 tapes from an L.A. trip, taped at a hotel where King, viewing on TV some recorded footage of JFK’s funeral (it was the 3 month anniversary of his death) laughed at seeing Jackie kiss the casket. King supposedly said that she kissed the coffin in the middle because “that’s the part she’ll miss most” and made other snide references to her fellating JFK’s corpse.

    If memory serves, that trip to L.A. also captured tapes of an orgy King participated in.

    Hoover told Bobby about King’s JFK comments, BTW, and Bobby told Jackie, hence the “mysterious” reason why Jackie was on record as having little use for King.

    Those and other biographers have also referenced in their books a hushed up scandal from King’s trip to Oslo to accept his Nobel Prize. Members of his entourage, including his brother-another “reverend”, had parties with hookers. The party went south and cops were called. Not sure if MLK was a participant or not, but—what do you think? King’s henchman Bayard Rustin defused the incident with the hotel people and cops by playing the race card.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  72. AceDeuce says:
    @Anon

    Indians also fought back fiercely against the invaders-raping, murdering, torturing.

  73. Acilius says: • Website

    Since King was directly confronting law enforcement agencies, state governments, and other powerful organizations and individuals in the name of an ideology that put the spotlight on the lawlessness of those in power, it’s hard to imagine there was ever a time when he did not suspect that his conversations were being surreptitiously recorded for use against him. Certainly by 1964, the date of the most disturbing reports Garrow covers, he must have known that Hoover’s FBI was watching him closely.

    So why would he go on talking and acting in this way? It goes beyond sheer arrogance or thoughtlessness; he must have had some kind of psychological compulsion, an overwhelming desire to be caught and punished, even if that meant taking his friends and his cause down with him. That in turn casts a stark light on his ideas. No longer is King just one more preacher who failed to live up to his lovely words of moral instruction. If the most famous American advocate of nonviolence as a way of life was a masochist with a drive to seek his own destruction and that of everyone who trusted him, he becomes a powerful argument against pacifism. What he presented as peace would simply be another form of violence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. AceDeuce says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I’m not sure that happened at the funeral, per se. Three months after the assassination, King was in a wiretapped hotel room in Los Angeles, and recorded footage of the funeral was on the TV.

    Here’s a 2001 book that references the incident . Garrow and Taylor Branch have both written about it in other books.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=_peZip6-DUgC&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=martin+luther+king+%22Hyatt+House%22+1964+Kennedy&source=bl&ots=Y5qEVE8heK&sig=ACfU3U20oGMbTswgce2ujAIaiMqUyOaIMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifpcOH3rviAhWrrVkKHfYWDkYQ6AEwDnoECAcQAQ

    Scroll down for an account of the incident.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  75. bob sykes says:
    @Anonymous

    It has always seemed to me that the most likely suspects in his killing were the heads of the NAACP, CORE, the Urban League, et al. The MSM that lionized King also pushed aside the existing civil rights leadership in his favor, and marginalized them. They had adequate grievances to kill King.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Art Deco
  76. Thirdtwin says:

    Garrow…Isn’t he the guy who brought Obama’s bisexuality out into the open?

  77. CAL2 says:
    @Lot

    It’s probably harder to figure out which hotels King stayed in that the FBI didn’t bug than the ones they did.

  78. CAL2 says:
    @anon

    To unearth does not mean he did anything illegal. In true gov’t fashion, they probably locked up the tapes but misplaced the tape summaries.

  79. Dr. X says:
    @Federalist

    Rockwell confronting King, 1965:

  80. Ptui! says:

    Hey speaking of ah, er historical reckonings, what does Garrow have to say about William Pepper’s forensic proof and documentation that government officials blew King’s face off, smothered him with a pillow and horked on him?

    Any new poop on the government inter-agency war council CINCSTRIKE that coordinated CIA, FBI, NSA, ODNI and The Army Security Agency (the only ones with negroes) who infiltrated King’s NGO and taped him while the 20th Special Forces Group trained civic-minded Klan wizards and stole guns for mob hit men? How bout General William Yarborough, (cue ♬ duh-duh-duh, duhduh duh-duh duhh) dispatching death squads from the 902nd Military Intelligence Group, with NSA SR-71 blackbirds, Zoom, zoom! overhead as Frank Strausser of the Memphis PD whacked him and hopped in a cop car?

    Oh and what’d he say about Dem party hero Jesse Jackson, who got his senator job by fucking up the only real job he ever had, starting the gunfight to get King killed in the 902nd’s bazooka crossfire?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  81. @Mr. Anon

    Revenue King wuz Michael Jackson of MLKongism.

  82. @anon

    “the Civil Rights movement was anti-democratic and wrong about many things”

    It was also anti-civil rights.

    Pre-“Civil Rights” Movement: Freedom of Association
    Post-“Civil rights” Movement: GONE

    Pre-“Civil Rights” Movement: Freedom of Trade
    Post-“Civil rights” Movement: GONE

    Pre-“Civil Rights” Movement: Freedom of Speech
    Post-“Civil rights” Movement: GOING…GOING…

    • Agree: L Woods
  83. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Were heading to an 84 style where the streets have no name scenario.

    Street of The Diverse !

  84. Anon[483] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Garrow’s magisterial (i.e., really long) Obama bio, while not exactly scandalous, did take him down a few notches and made him look like a bit of a dick and a phony, and it was pretty quickly memory holed.

    However, the timing might have had something to do with it. Too late for those interested in the current president, and to early for history buffs.

  85. @Redneck farmer

    That’s a good example of what I call Everything Is About Everything. It’s like the Berkeley City Council feeling the need to have a foreign policy. Now, FFA could stand for Future Farmers of America, or it could stand for Flaming Fruitcakes of Alabama, or Fiscally Frugal Aztecs.

    It all started in 2004 when the congressional General Accounting Office changed to the Government Accountability Office. Accounting is just too narrow a scope for ambitious bureaucrats. Why limit yourself to boring double-entry bookkeeping and fiduciary whatsis, when you can take on Government Accountability? The sky’s the limit!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  86. it’s sad that a sleazy mediocrity like King got a national holiday for blacks named after him–I would have much preferred a Louis Armstrong or Ella Fitzgerald Day. And, Steve, if the allegation of standing by as a woman was raped is true, then he’s also a felon.

  87. Art Deco says:

    King was a far more Gantryish figure than anyone imagined in 1962. I’ve found that white leftoids react to references to this with the sort of emotional neuralgia Daniel Patrick Moynihan displayed in 1983 when he threw down a copy of a confidential report and shouted ‘filth’ on the floor of the Senate. Of course, it’s the conduct, not the text on the conduct, that’s filthy.

    It’s been known since that time that the FBI had recordings of adulterous trysts in it’s archives, it’s been known since 1988 that when King and his entourage traveled to Norway in 1964 to receive his Nobel prize, that they hired prostitutes and whole crew made enough of a ruckus to attract the attention of the police; Bayard Rustin (uninvolved with the hookers) happened to return to the hotel during the fracas and had to talk police officers out of arresting everyone. It’s been known since 1989 (courtesy Ralph David Abernathy) that King spent his last night on Earth in the company of three different women not his wife.

    It’s also been known since 1990 that 1/3 of the text of his doctoral dissertation was plagiarized from the work of Paul Tillich and the work of another fellow named John Boozer (something which tells you that academic theologians familiar with Tillich’s work hadn’t undertaken more than a cursory reading of that dissertation in the 35 years which elapsed between when he emerged as a public figure and when the plagiarism was discovered; btw, in that era, abstracts of dissertations were commonly found in readily available reference series and you could get microtext copies of a dissertation on request generated by a company called UMI; you could get them in a matter of days and, if you were a registered student or a faculty member, your institutional library would handle the paperwork for you; if you were researching his theology, you didn’t have to go to Boston and read the original typescript).

    The sexual dirt wasn’t known outside of people with access to the FBI data and people in King’s entourage. Richard John Neuhaus, who knew King well enough to know odd details about him not publicly acknowledged (e.g. that he smoked cigarettes) knew nothing about any of this and thought it was all calumny and innuendo until Ralph David Abernathy spilled the beans. (By contrast, Bayard Rustin’s homosexuality was known to anyone who’d ever been in the same room with him). Reflecting on it, Neuhaus later said it was less surprising than it seemed at first if you recalled that in the Christian kultursmog of the era, it was common to hear people express disdain for “morality from the waist down”.

    King’s status in public discourse and official history of the sort you see on PBS has survived all of this. It’s hard to imagine that there’s anything in the files which will have much effect unless it involves dead girls or live boys.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Charlesz Martel
  88. Well….they can always build a monument to…….and re-name streets after Emmit Till…..

  89. @Whiskey

    I completely agree with you……most important comment ever posted on UNZ REVIEW…

  90. @Anon

    How Whites Took Over America

    courtesy of WhiteRabbitRadio.net

  91. @bomag

    “I’ve thought farming got a pass because it’s too important to grow enough food for all the Democrat voters to come.”

    99%+ of the Left has zero strategic vision. They just do whatever Pavlovian response they are trained on: white man bad, black woman good, etc.

    As the history of the Left in Eurasia shows, they will cheerfully famine their nose to spite the normies’ face.

    • Agree: Jack D, Ibound1
    • Replies: @Jack D
  92. Ragno says:

    Garrow says that the shocking files could lead to a ‘painful historical reckoning’ for the man who is celebrated across the world for his campaign against racial injustice.

    I’ll believe it when Garrow titles his next book “I’M NOT A NEGRO TONIGHT!”: MLK Reconsidered.

    But I won’t be holding my breath. It was upon learning that the FBI had been surreptitiously spying on not just King, but any number of finger-pointing leftist worthies, that the Thousand Ventriloquist Voices of Leviathan all suddenly agreed that Hoover was not just a faggot but a faggot who paraded around his office in dresses and frocks. (Talk about a martyr for our age…!)

    They used to call such tactics headin’ em off at the pass.

  93. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Lugash

    This is a great example of left-wing conditioning. You have been convinced that people in the past were dumb and naive, so it is OK to ignore them.

    It is how the Left detaches people from their history and from observable reality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. @Redneck farmer

    I luagh when people bring that little tidbit of history up. The Playboy interview. I for one have read it many times times. He’s a stark raving fucking lunatic. Like this part.
    Playboy: Along with the other civil rights leaders, you have often proposed a massive program of economic aid, financed by the Federal Government, to improve the lot of the nation’s 20,000,000 Negroes. Just one of the projects you’ve mentioned, however—the HARYOU-ACT program to provide jobs for Negro youths—is expected to cost $141,000,000 over the next ten years, and that includes only Harlem. A nationwide program such as you propose would undoubtedly run into the billions.

    King: About 50 billion, actually—which is less than one year of our present defense spending. It is my belief that with the expenditure of this amount, over a ten-year period, a genuine and dramatic transformation could be achieved in the conditions of Negro life in America. I am positive, moreover, that the money spent would be more than amply justified by the benefits that would accrue to the nation through a spectacular decline in school dropouts, family breakups, crime rates, illegitimacy, swollen relief rolls, rioting and other social evils.

    Playboy: If Negroes are also granted preferential treatment in housing, as you propose, how would you allay the alarm with which many white homeowners, fearing property devaluation, greet the arrival of Negroes in hitherto all white neighborhoods?

    King: We must expunge from our society the myths and half-truths that engender such groundless fears as these. In the first place, there is no truth to the myth that Negroes depreciate property.
    There are more juicy bits one can laugh at..Heres the link if anyone needs to expel their coffee onto the monitor..
    https://playboysfw.kinja.com/martin-luther-king-jr-a-candid-conversation-with-the-n-1502354861

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @Meretricious
  95. “It’s interesting that there apparently wasn’t much interest in this topic in the U.S. media ‘

    The left in US will ignore it. If you cite the daily mail article they’ll say that’s not considered a valid source by Wikipedia, the another magazine is not mainstream media..

    Reality will not upset their ideology, never has.

  96. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    This will have minimal effect on American national politics.

    It can have some effect in Conservative Evangelical Churches that have pushed to make MLK Jr a God/Saint and denounced their own church founders as beyond the pale racists, anti Semites.

    Lutherans have renounced Martin Luther
    Mormons have renounced Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and the racial exclusions of Blacks from the Priesthood before the 1970s.
    Catholics have denounced all the anti Talmud, anti Semitic comments/polices of every Catholic Pope before ~ 1963.
    The Southern Baptist Church leadership has renounced the White South before MLK Jr. supposedly redeemed the South/USA.

    That’s life.

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  97. @JimDandy

    Jim Jim Jim…The black mind dont think that way. They even hate themselves!! They like the liberals because they are the engine that drives the machine for the Free Shit Army.
    They wont bite the hand that feeds them.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  98. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    There are a number of figures (living and dead) about whom the basic facts have been known for decades or centuries and yet they have been “re-evaluated” in light of Current Year thinking. It all has to do with their position on the Intersectional Totem Pole vis-a-vis other groups. Unlike your Adversity Score, which is presumably fixed for life, your rankings on the Intersectional Totem Pole (and just as importantly, those who are in a position to make power plays against you) may go up and down with the political winds. Historical and established figures have a certain amount of inertia attached to them, just like physical statues – they are not going to fall by themselves. However, once your enemies have gained strength and risen even higher on the pole they may decide that they now have the institutional strength to take a run at you and knock you from your perch because, now jumping from a greater height, they can land with more force. (Of course gravity only works in the downward direction – it’s impossible to jump on someone who belongs to a group who is HIGHER than you on the pole). Often such contests server to DETERMINE position on the pole. Since Intersectional Pokemon points are, like rankings in some sports, determined dynamically by virtue of the results of past matches, a group that is feeling its oats may decide to take a test run to find out where they really stand today.

    This explains why, for example, statues of Robert E. Lee sat undisturbed for decades throughout the height of the Civil Rights movement and its subsequent victories but were toppled in recent years.

    Or for example, a Jew may attempt to play the Holocaust card and be told by blacks that the point value of that card has now been reduced to zero and that they are just honkies now:

    https://nypost.com/2019/05/25/teachers-allegedly-told-to-treat-black-students-as-victims-punish-whites/

    Think of Bill Cosby, who for decades was almost as beloved as MLK, and yet white women were able to dethrone him. (Did MLK prefer white women or black or would he take whatever he could get?) BTW, Andrea Constand, the woman whose complaint finally put him in jail gives off a distinct lesbian vibe but this was never mentioned in the press – was this part of the unspoken subtext?

    So, given all that, a play on Martin Luther King may be possible someday if the Intersectional Pokemon points line up correctly. As we go into the 2020 campaign and especially if the D nominee is female, expect that anti-male rhetoric is going to be dialed up to 11 in order to get out the womyn’s vote. The D’s can take blacks for granted but white women are still in play so if they have to throw MLK overboard, then so be it. Obama threw his own grandma who raised him overboard – Paris is worth a Mass.

  99. @anon

    but the leaker of sealed archives should go to jail.

    Why?

    The people that cover up things like this and lie to us should go to jail, or worse.

  100. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    I like the idea of deporting criminals. Strip them of their citizenship and deport them.
    This will reduce black demographics substantially in this country and remove the trouble-maker blacks. The blacks who remain will be law-abiding and therefore welcome.
    Over enough generations of this the black gene pool in this country will be greatly improved.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Corn
  101. Jake says:
    @anon

    The ‘civil rights’ movement was in origin, back to Abolitionism and the Emancipation Proclamation and Reconstruction, about the Yank WASP Elites acting to break and subdue the whites they most feared and hated. Jews took that culture war to a whole new level, starting slowly with the 1920s, and exploding in 1948.

    The 1950s-60s civil rights movement was Cultural Marxism before anybody guessed at the slightly new concept, much less named it.

  102. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Cosby is a living individual who was found to have committed a discrete crime (whether he’s guilty or not, I couldn’t say; my wager is that some of his accusers are grifters and frauds and that all but a few of them were happy to prostitute themselves at the time and angry later when having been a receptacle for his johnson didn’t improve their prospects in the entertainment world). I don’t think Cosby’s legal problems have much to do with his stock of intersectional Pokemon points, because these sorts of controversies erupt in regard to people quite outside such status competitions.

  103. King was subject to an FBI campaign of surveillance ordered by Director J Edgar Hoover in an effort to undermine his power

    No. He was subject to surveillance ordered by Robert Kennedy, Attorney General. And later approved by JFK/LBJ. That fact always gets lost. Jackie O has some terrible things to say about MLK, in her interviews with Historians in 1965. She probably knew about his sexual history.

    And laughing at a rape being committed in your presence, is 10x worse than just having sex orgies. If this is true, MLK reputation will be marred forever. Although, you have to ask yourself, why would a left-wing author publicize it? Answer: The left no longer needs MLK. He’s too moderate. Time to move on.

  104. goatweed says:

    Did the FBI wiretap Richard Nixon in the 60s for Kennedy and Johnson?

    Are there records?

  105. “So Garrow hasn’t listened to the tapes, but he has read FBI agents’ write-ups of the contents of the tapes, which doesn’t seem all that definitive. This doesn’t sound too new overall, but apparently there are new details.”

    Or they will simply reconfirm what others have already publicly written about King’s private life, such as Ralph Abernathy. Really, King’s personal life has been well covered for decades at this point. So when the files are finally released, perhaps the MLK day holiday can be replaced with a generic “Civil Rights Day” type of thing.

  106. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Closer to home and nearer in time (like right now), Cuba, Venezuela, etc.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/world/americas/cuba-rationing-sanctions.html

    Cuba has depended on having a “sugar daddy” to take care of them ever since Castro came to power. First it was the Soviets, then during the “Special Period” they nearly starved , then it was Chavez and now it is back to starvation.

    Food production is something that is highly responsive to market signals but socialists are constitutionally unable to avoid the temptation of tinkering (if you call using a sledgehammer tinkering) with markets so food production is always a “problem”. And the response to a “problem” is even more “tinkering” – the beatings will continue until morale improves.

    The sad thing about this is that Cuba is a tropical paradise like South Florida – you can grow almost every plant known to man year round. Before Castro they were a major exporter of agricultural products (mainly sugar but also tobacco,livestock, rum, etc.) If Communism came to Alaska there would be an ice shortage soon after.

    • LOL: bomag
  107. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Blank

    Of course no attack on MLK’s sacred memory by evil white racists is possible, but you are discounting an attack from the Left. To the Woke, MLK is an old fashioned figure who died before they were born. His advocacy of non-violence and a future where skin color would have no importance is NOT what Antifa and BLM subscribe to. Not all all. All those MLK Boulevards should be renamed Malcolm X Boulevard in their view.

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @Cleburne
  108. Just thought of something that could count as a “shocking” revelation. Suppose on the FBI tapes that will be released to the public in ’27, King is heard to be making numero0us incendiary homophobic comments? Suppose he is laughing about the plight of gays and lesbians? Suppose he is continually making homophobic comments on the tapes, and that it’s clearly MLK’s voice making the comments and not someone else?

    Now THAT could very well spark public outrage. Orgies, gangbangs, numerous sex acts with hookers are one thing, but homophobic comments are totally out of line, because they speak directly to the person’s character. And homophobia isn’t who we are in 2019 (and probably wont be who we are in ’27 either).

    Just asking. And noticing.

  109. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    I have a feeling those MLK Boulevards are going to be renamed Michael Brown Boulevard, Trayvon Martin Boulevard, Eric Garner Boulevard, Freddie Gray Boulevard, and lots and lots of Emmitt Till Boulevards.

  110. @ScarletNumber

    If they rename all the Martin Luther King Boulevards, how will anyone know where to go to buy hard drugs when they’re in a strange town?

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  111. OT, but Uncle Sailer’s favorite Wimmin Whine About Competition recurring theme:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/445614-ocasio-cortez-hits-nyt-over-story-on-hope-hicks-its-framed-as-some-lifetime

    bored identity will not rest until Hope Hicks shape-shifts her hideously white-reptilian body & soul appearance into something* more Current Year palatable:

    ****************************************************************************************

    * The full story of that Hopefully Hicks is here:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7008603/Schizophrenic-woman-shoved-stranger-NYC-subway-train-dies-suicide-prison.html

    https://nypost.com/2016/11/08/woman-pushed-to-her-death-in-subway-was-a-wife-and-chef/

    https://popularcrime.com/2018/01/05/husband-of-subway-push-victim-sues-city-over-her-death/

    CBS does their thing:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-city-subway-push-suspect-melanie-liverpool-i-didnt-admit-to-nothing/

    And then, there’s this push:

    https://www.amny.com/transit/times-square-42nd-street-subway-push-leaves-woman-dead-suspect-charged-nypd-says-1.12571224

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  112. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @95Theses
  113. Forbes says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I agree on the premise: no MSM coverage, and MLK is not going anywhere.

    This holds because MLK’s actual legacy of racial comity has been pushed aside and forgotten due to the adoption and enforcement of racial identity politics.

    MLK: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

    In other words, MLK remains a totem, but an empty one as his message has been long ignored.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  114. @Lugash

    I loaded this one:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100307010615/http://www.martinlutherking.org/

    At the bottom of the page it says “Hosted by Stormfront”. In his net smart book (not a great book) Howard Rheingold uses the martin luther king page hosted by stormfront as his type example of hoax material on the internet.

    It has been known to everyone who cared to look since the 1987 Bearing the Cross that King got more pussy than Frank Sinatra.

  115. Lurker says:
    @Anon

    A problem with campus-origin left-wing ideology is that it tends to be internally inconsistent and not well thought out

    I think that’s the central problem. Other than it’s anti-white animus of course. But then I think the latter is the real issue, the rest is just a rag bag of half-thought ideas to try and justify it.

  116. This bit about about Dokta Kang goes back as early as the late 60s when I first heard about Hoover and his MLK dossier. It was one of several reasons why I was never terribly impressed with the guy–unlike his nemesis the former pimp, Malcolm Little a/k/a Malcolm X, who, if nothing else had major league cujones. MLK always was, and remains, a creation of a white liberal media thirsting for a Hero of Color. Like his linear descendant, Obama, he was “safe” whereas guys like MX were, uh, “edgy”. None, including Obama, constituted whatchacall a prize package but, well, we gotta have our heroes, right?

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  117. @Lot

    Not quite.

    TNC is an imitation of Baldwin.

    Baldwin at least wrote one pretty good book.

    TNC gets to have the reputation of being as good as people said Baldwin was.

    People can disagree as to whether Baldwin was overrated. I don’t know enough to weigh in.

    What TNC did was say “I’m the new Baldwin” and have people who should have known better fawn over him and say “yes, you are the new Baldwin so take this money from us to spread your infinite wisdom of black bodies”.

    Even worse are the TNC wannabes who throw out “black bodies” as if it were something original they came up with.

    If you think Baldwin was overrated, what do you call writers who are weak imitations of a weak imitation of Baldwin?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  118. @Desiderius

    Desi, not disputing what you are saying, but who would have thought there was “left” to the left of King on race, other than militant activists.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Desiderius
  119. @bomag

    bomag, “Dress code”, you mean overalls and shit kicker boots. I see those on lots on diverse guys when I drive thru the inner city. Of course they are not referred to as “work clothes.”

  120. Yngvar says:
    @Anonymous

    If these allegations were really true, wouldn’t they have published them when they were trying to “undermine King’s power”?

    The FBI did publish them at the time and it was all lies. During COINTELPRO the FBI fabricated a lot of stuff about subversives and “leaked” it to friendlies.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  121. Corvinus says:

    “It’s interesting that there apparently wasn’t much interest in this topic in the U.S. media world that Garrow, an American writer, is publishing in Britain.”

    In the same vein, Mr. Sailer, with the Alt Right’s head in the sand regarding Trump’s Kompromat?

  122. @Lot

    Eh. They pull down statues all the time.

  123. @BenKenobi

    Ben, I have a bottle of JW Blue, need an ice cube though. I’m guessing Whiskey is closer to Everclear than JW Blue.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  124. bucky says:

    Hopefully this can be an impetus to remove MLK day. Worst holiday ever.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  125. Art Deco says:
    @Yngvar

    Again, King’s admiring biographer and his closest confidante (Ralph David Abernathy) confirm that sexual misconduct was common fare in King’s life. As for his academic misconduct, the evidence is there in cold print (unless you fancy FBI agents copied his dissertation and then produced faux Tillich volumes with the text, down to backdated copyright notices).

  126. @Jack D

    Jack, good comment but any ice shortage in Alaska will be blamed on climate change caused by whites. I thought you got that memo.

  127. fish says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Was the 50-year seal essentially a bet that by 2027 we’d have degenerated to such moral obtuseness that nobody would care anymore?

    …..nailed it.

  128. Jack D says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    There was always plenty of Left – you had Paul Robeson and WEB DuBois who were hard core pro-Soviet Communists, you had Marcus Garvey who was a Black separatist, etc. If you read the black press for the last century, they were always Leftist and espoused the same talking points as today – reparations, etc.

    The difference was this – these black “intellectuals” were considered to be a joke by whites. Their views were considered to be radical and/or crackpot by most whites (except for Communists), completely lacking in legitimacy. Comparable to the way (most) white people still think of say Louis Farrakhan. But today you have figures like Tawny-Hazy Coates who are taken seriously by the mainstream and their every word is fawned over by whites as well as blacks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  129. BB753 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Dunno. Colby’s in jail and Weinstein seems to be able to walk away free.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  130. Rich says:
    @Anonymous

    Shame Americans didn’t choose Oliver over Buckley back when the country still had a chance.

  131. 95Theses says:
    @MEH 0910

    Curious headline, that. Why should truth ever be a difficult thing to tell? Could it have something to do with a commitment to believing convenient and familiar untruths which have been nursed along all these decades by an agenda-driven media? Nah.

  132. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    I would’ve loved this story 5 years ago. I now think the FBI is a joke with zero credibility. In fact, I would specifically question something if I found out the source was the FBI.

  133. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    See the reviews written by Nathan Glazer of Baldwin’s work published ca. 1985, and Joseph Epstein’s posthumous assessment of his oeuvre. Epstein’s view is that his quality began to slide downhill ca. 1962 and that by the end of his life he was a rant-generating crank. Glazer (who’d assisted Baldwin early in his career) was much gentler but made it clear that he found later Baldwin baffling and that his talent had been wasted.

    Stop and think about it. It’s not immediately clear that he was a capable and energetic autodidact. His schooling was truncated. He was never a husband or father, so he lacked crucial raw material observing and understanding the human condition. He doesn’t seem to have had regular wage employment after a certain point in his young adult years, so he lacked that as well. Something Glazer pointed out was that he’d lived in France so long that he’d lost touch with the warp and woof of American life.

    Something Thomas Sowell points out: very commonly a certain sort of stance toward the larger society and a certain set of priorities are not those of intelligent people, but of articulate people.

  134. Whiskey says: • Website

    More along the lines of Jim Beam Rye.

    As for Black and White people collectively, the complete ways of life of each group are so hostile to each other, keeping it real vs picket fence, that one must dominate and rule the other. Either it’s Nipsey Hustle all the way down or Ike. No middle ground. Whites particularly women want Nipsey.

    Ikr was too boring.

    I think MLK will be rehabbed. Into an exciting pump like figure for Blacks to emulate and White women to find exciting in an aspiring rapper way.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  135. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    The difference was this – these black “intellectuals” were considered to be a joke by whites. Their views were considered to be radical and/or crackpot by most whites (except for Communists), completely lacking in legitimacy. Comparable to the way (most) white people still think of say Louis Farrakhan.

    Robeson was a capable entertainer who made a good living at it. His Communist affiliations damaged his standing with the larger society, but he did have standing to damage. DuBois’ red haze affiliations were late career, when he was past 70.

    The black intelligentsia of the day was a collection of academics and writers with a circumscribed audience. Booker Washington and George Washington Carver were broadly prominent, but they were notable advocates of vocational education, not social confrontation of any kind.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Reg Cæsar
  136. Republic says:
    @Lugash

    from that archive:

    Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years, 1963-65.
    (book reviews) Jon Meacham

    01/19/98 Newsweek, Page 62

    January 6, 1964, was a long day for Martin Luther King Jr. He spent the morning seated in the reserved section of the Supreme Court, listening as lawyers argued New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a landmark case rising out of King’s crusade against segregation in Alabama. The minister was something of an honored guest: Justice Arthur Goldberg quietly sent down a copy of Kings account of the Montgomery bus boycott, “Stride Toward Freedom,” asking for an autograph. That night King retired to his room at the Willard Hotel. There FBI bugs reportedly picked up 14 hours of party chatter, the clinking of glasses and the sounds of illicit sex–including King’s cries of “I’m f–ing for God” and “I’m not a Negro tonight!”

    Note: What is not mentioned in this article is that Martin Luther King was having sex with three White women, one of whom he brutally beat while screaming the above mentioned quotes. Much of the public information on King’s use of church money to hire prostitutes and his beating them came from King’s close personal friend, Rev. Ralph Abernathy (pictured above), in his 1989 book, “And the walls came tumbling down.”

    Sources:

    Newsweek Magazine 1-19-1998, page 62

    “And the walls came tumbling down,” by Rev. Ralph Abernathy (1989)

  137. Jack D says:
    @bomag

    His chaotic personal life doesn’t promote the notion of someone with high end organizational skills.

    He didn’t have a “chaotic personal life”, he was just a horndog. This is quite common among high-T alphas, starting with silverback gorillas in 1 Million BC, continuing onto Oriental potentates, JFK, Johnny Edwards and S. African black politicians in the present day. Such people, even if they are men of the cloth themselves, are completely impervious to Christian teaching concerning monogamy. They are responding to a higher power – the biological imperative that that most fit males fertilize every female in sight in order to strengthen the fitness of the species. Christian teaching, with its principles of monogamy and fidelity, is great for betas because it means that (nearly) every beta will have a female available to him but it is no great bargain for alphas who would much prefer to sow their seed widely, which is the “natural” order of things.

    • LOL: Malcolm X-Lax
  138. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    So are we supposed to reflexively believe the “intelligence community” now, or do we just selectively trust them when it suits our purposes?

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
  139. Republic says:

    Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years, 1963-65.
    (book reviews) Jon Meacham

    01/19/98 Newsweek, Page 62

    January 6, 1964, was a long day for Martin Luther King Jr. He spent the morning seated in the reserved section of the Supreme Court, listening as lawyers argued New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a landmark case rising out of King’s crusade against segregation in Alabama. The minister was something of an honored guest: Justice Arthur Goldberg quietly sent down a copy of Kings account of the Montgomery bus boycott, “Stride Toward Freedom,” asking for an autograph. That night King retired to his room at the Willard Hotel. There FBI bugs reportedly picked up 14 hours of party chatter, the clinking of glasses and the sounds of illicit sex–including King’s cries of “I’m f–ing for God” and “I’m not a Negro tonight!”

    Note: What is not mentioned in this article is that Martin Luther King was having sex with three White women, one of whom he brutally beat while screaming the above mentioned quotes. Much of the public information on King’s use of church money to hire prostitutes and his beating them came from King’s close personal friend, Rev. Ralph Abernathy (pictured above), in his 1989 book, “And the walls came tumbling down.”

    Sources:

    Newsweek Magazine 1-19-1998, page 62

    “And the walls came tumbling down,” by Rev. Ralph Abernathy (1989)

    this was from the wayback machine

  140. @Anonymous

    “the anti Talmud, “
    considering what the Talmud says about the Virgin Mary and Jesus, every Catholic (and Christian) should denounce it.

    I believe a lot of the anti-christianity we see from secular jews is internalized, unconsciously talmudic.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  141. @Art Deco

    While it is fashionable among some of the alt-right to denigrate George Washington Carver, his achievements were quite remarkable. He achieved greatness in both agricultural science and science education. My training is in chemistry, and his work in agricultural chemistry is considered to be the finest of his era.

    I agree that Carver was wise enough to stay in areas for which he had expertise. He was able to accomplish quite a bit by recognizing the reality of his time and doing what he could to improve the lot of the more intelligent blacks within the limits of society.

    That being said, Carver expanded what these limits were.

    I’ve read enough about his early history to understand why he thought this way. His mother was purchased by Moses Carver, who was against slavery but needed a servant. George, his mother, and his brother were all kidnapped by folks who did not appreciate Moses’ pro-Union stance. Moses Carver only found baby George, and traded his best horse for the young boy. Moses raised him as a son.

    George Carver’s education was facilitated by a Nice White Lady who took in George at a boarding school.

    At one point there were two George Carvers living in the same town; one white and one black. Black George Carver added the middle name Washington to avoid the difficulties that ensued. It would not be seemly for the White George to make the concession, especially since Black George was the newcomer.

    To be blunt, Carver learned from an early age that he could succeed in life with the aid of Nice White People, and that antagonizing the meaner white folks could have horrible consequences. Confrontation could’ve alienated his allies and raised the ire of potential enemies.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  142. @black sea

    Perhap’s even Emmit Till’s Father also…..

  143. @AceDeuce

    Yeah, I’m aware. If I recall correctly, Christopher Hitchens who talked to Taylor Branch about it, said the joke was along the lines of, “There she goes, down on her knees to suck him off one last time.” Charming, in any case. Ironically, Caroline has been one of the fiercest guardians of MLK’s reputation. I recall reading that Jackie loathed MLK to the day she died but that Caroline has been quite public in assuring everyone that Jackie held MLK in the highest regard. LOL. Yeah, sure, Caroline. She just kept it to herself for 40 years. Jackie couldn’t even stand to look at pictures of MLK.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Jacqueline_Kennedy/jacqueline-kennedys-feelings-martin-luther-king-jr-revealed/story?id=14478321

  144. @Art Deco

    JFK was involved in killing a couple of French hookers during a “girling” trip while on a yacht on the French Riviera. Limited details are in the book “JFK and his Women”.
    It’s practically never mentioned anywhere else, and murder trumps beatings and rape.
    The rules are different for some….

  145. @Jack D

    If Communism came to Alaska there would be an ice shortage soon after

    Yes, but…

    You don’t need ice if you don’t have any groceries…

    USSR: Grocery store uncut

    Checkmate…capitalists

  146. @bomag

    Future farmers “who don’t subscribe to conventional gender norms?” I think we have a potential Green Acres reboot on our hands here

  147. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Another good example of the Progressive conditioning. You’re grasping at any straw to defend King, because you have been conditioned to believe anti-racism is the highest virtue.

    It’s why conservatism has been such a complete bust.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  148. danand says:

    Not sure how Cannes missed this one. Wendy Williams was bloviating on her show that this movie was a prime example of cultural appropriation; while sporting a long, flowing, blonde headpiece/wig.

  149. @Reg Cæsar

    Was the 50-year seal essentially a bet that by 2027 we’d have degenerated to such moral obtuseness that nobody would care anymore?

    To protect informants.

    There is no way they could have this information without someone very close to King.

    My guess is that there are no great big new revelations about King himself, but that the big deal will be knowing who was the snitch. Or who were the snitches.

    Jesse Jackson perhaps?

  150. JimDandy says:
    @Bruce County

    It’s true that most of them want as much free shit as they can get, but are you kidding me about biting the hand that feeds them? That’s their favorite past time. I maintain that most blacks don’t like liberals–they can hate them and like the free shit at the same time.

    I sense respect from many blacks when I make it clear that I’m not a Klansman but I’m not going to kiss their asses, either. It’s pretty basic animal kingdom shit, isn’t it? If you put off the scent that you can and will defend yourself, you’re less likely to be victimized by predators.

  151. @Anonymous

    It sounds a bit too salacious…sitting there laughing while his friend rapes a woman

    Blacks…salacious…rape? Unpossible.

    Category:Murdered rappers – Wikipedia

  152. @Janusm

    Trump is invested in the Boomer worship of all things black. Republicans will probably be out the gate denouncing this as a Dem smear.

    • Replies: @Anon
  153. @Faraday's Bobcat

    The saddest example of this I can think of is when Northwestern’s legendary School of Speech succumbed and became the “School of Communication”.

    As if five syllables communicate more than one. But that one had 81 years of history behind it.

  154. what will be REALLY interesting is if one of the women who was raped or harassed came forward.. that would might provide an intersectional melt down..

  155. @Art Deco

    Robeson was a capable entertainer who made a good living at it.

    Up until the 1970s or so, lefty performers were still quite competent at their craft. The Seegers, Joan Baez, Barbara Streisand, Harry Belafonte, etc.

    I guess this is hard for younger people to imagine these days.

  156. And then they– Al Stewart’s neighbors– came for Neil Young:

    Neil Young gets cut off during headlining set at BottleRock 2019

    Neil Old, still breaking curfew at 73!

  157. anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    Ask an Anti White: Why is ”Diversity” is entirely one way? Why does it only mean taking white institutions and populations across the globe and turning them non white?

    Whats the real end game here? If this were imposed on All and Only black peoples, wouldn’t it be obviously Anti Black?

    Do the ‘anti racists’ care about the ongoing torture, rape and murder of minority Whites in South Africa?

    Slavery, colonialism, etc. were common to all peoples. See Turkey, North Africa, Mongolia, Japan, among others. African and Native tribes routinely captured, enslaved and sold each other.

    Whites like the Slavs and Irish for example have their own history mass slavery, being captured and sold to the Islamic world in particular.

    The Religion of PC is just organized Anti Whiteism.

  158. @Jack D

    There were other reasons why the statues of Robert E Lee went up and stayed up in the post Civil War era, until recent times.

    The South has had a strong military tradition since colonial times. The Lee Family was a big part of that tradition.

    In the 100 years following Reconstruction, the US was involved in Indian wars, the Spanish American War, two World Wars, adventures in various third world nations, the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

    It is not clear that a divided nation would have done as well in those wars. The US couldn’t say “F U crackers “ and expected to put together a viable army.

    These days our wars are for lower stakes, fought by a volunteer army. We no longer have a draft. We don’t worry so much about people whose ancestors were on opposite sides of the Great Unpleasantness having to depend on each other in life or death situations. It still happens, but we don’t worry about it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  159. Among documents relating mainly to the Kennedy assassination that were released in 2018 was a FBI report entitled “Martin Luther King, Jr., A Current Analysis.” This included much about King’s womanizing and his association with members of the Communist Party of the USA, in particular Stanley Levison. It may be found at the following link:

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10125-10133.pdf

    Curiously, at the time, none other than David Garrow was cited in the Washington Post as responding to this document as follows:

    David Garrow, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and historian who had written extensively about King, said much of the explosive allegations in the document are neither new nor true.

    “The number one thing I’ve learned in 40 years of doing this, is just because you see it in a top-secret document, just because someone had said it to the FBI, doesn’t mean it’s all accurate,” Garrow told The Washington Post, citing the infamous dossier that contains salacious allegations against President Trump.

    Now Garrow appears to have done a volte-face about the behavior attributed to King in the 1968 report. This is one of the more curious aspects about all of this. Enough of the unflattering information about King has been confirmed by other sources, not least of them his own associates (e.g., Ralph Abernathy). Most of the “mainstream” media simply ignored this. Is Garrow now reversing his earlier dismissal of the FBI’s “Current Analysis” document just because he has found new and more persuasive evidence, or does he have some other motive? I’d guess the latter.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  160. Good grief,

    I am a moderate fan of Dr. King, his failing was not the relations out of marriage — that is disappointing. But his real error was in doing what blacks have done since there were blacks, he embraced all issues as though they at of blacks. It ws in my view a tragic mistake. By ding so he allowed the interests of blacks to be blindsided y a host of unrelated and totally destructive advances. And as typical of whites, they took that ball and proceeded to undermine whatever gains had been won.

    His second mistake was to allow himself to be hoodwinked in the name of intellectual moralism, to take on Vietnam — he was not only wrong on the question, he again muddied the waters for blacks.
    ______________________________

    However,

    snore and snore. I would have thought by now everyone knew about this matter. It’s almost laughable. Actually it is laughable. As it turns out Dr./Rev. King a man of enormous clout and accessibility had relations outside of wedlock while married —

    Say it ain’t so — with white women no less. Shocking — just well, not shocking at all. Disappointing perhaps, but a shock — no. Consensual relations should cease being part of the meetoo whine as should flirting, courting, and a host of mundane normal male female communication exchanges.

    What is a problem is that by the time those tapes were made, it was quite clear that Dr. Rev. King was not a communist. even today, some republicans try to claim him as one of their own. No. Dir. hoover and the FBI were concerned about the issues of white ownership and control. Hence the eager attempts to encourage Dr. Rev king to take his own life.

    That is the real reveal here. That the FBI was a wayward child in counter intelligence and have been a destructive force to thousands when it came to violating both ethics and the law in doing so.

    There’s a very soft and dark underbelly of US law enforcement for those who care to look. And it is very dark.

  161. Might be a good idea to steer clear of Paul Robeson, a man ahead of time, and even ahead of that.

    Entertainer — doesn’t skim the surface.

  162. Bugg says:
    @Bruce County

    When some neocon or GOP establishment idiot tells you how “MLK would have been one of us today”, this is the kind of thing they intentionally ignore. MLK would have been out front looking for more money, more programs, more AA. The colorblind society, judging people by the content of their character, yeah, we’ll get to that later.

    Would hope in the rash to rename everything associated with our forefathers, this gives the Pete Butplugs of the world pause. Every person has his faults, none of us is prefect. Sadly that isn’t very likely.

  163. Whether real or manufactured (easier to do these days) relational behavior remains a “go to ticket” for undermining the lives of people, even innocent people.

    And it’s generally an easy sell.

  164. LondonBob says:
    @bob sykes

    Not beyond the incompetence of the CIA to have made a martyr out of someone who would have been discredited sooner rather than later by assassinating him.

  165. JohnnyD says:

    By now, I think conservatives have more invested in the heavily sanitized image of MLK Jr. I’m sure the left would be ok with finding someone more radical and anti-white to replace MLK Jr.

  166. JohnnyD says:
    @216

    Angela Davis would also be a good candidate.

  167. L Woods says:
    @JimDandy

    DR3 has never and will never work.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @JimDandy
  168. Jack D says:
    @ACommenter

    99.9% of the Talmud has nothing to do with Jesus or Mary – it concerns itself with really important questions such as whether one may eat an egg that was laid on the Sabbath (and every other conceivable subject of concern to a 5th century Jew living in Babylonia).

    Since it was written in a time and place where Christianity was not yet ascendant, in a few isolated places it has some politically incorrect gossip about some people who may or may not be Jesus and Mary, such as whether she was really a virgin or maybe she was messin’ around with them Roman soldiers. To someone who is not a devout Christian believer, this strikes me as a fair speculation and Occam’s Butterknife would come down on the side of the Roman soldier. There have been lots and lots of war babies throughout history and up to the present day, but very few documented God babies.

    Of course later on once the Church had the upper hand they did not appreciate these questions any more than our current rulers want to discuss MLK’s chastity or lack thereof. Denouncing the Talmud was certainly fashionable about say 1400 but some alt.righters are a little late to the party, I guess.

  169. Art Deco says:
    @bob sykes

    It has always seemed to me that the most likely suspects in his killing were the heads of the NAACP, CORE, the Urban League, et al. The MSM that lionized King also pushed aside the existing civil rights leadership in his favor, and marginalized them. They had adequate grievances to kill King.

    So they hire a three-time lose like James Earl Ray for the job?

    The Urban League was a social work organization that didn’t invest in civil right agitation until Whitney Young was appointed executive director in 1961. Young died in 1971 and by 1983 the Urban League had retired from the public protest business. (Coretta King organized a commemorative march in 1983 and the Urban League begged off). By the time Whitney Young was on board, King had been a consequential public figure for a half-dozen years.

    CORE was from 1942 to 1966 run by its founder, James Farmer. He voluntarily departed in 1966 and was only an intermittent presence in public life from that point onward; he eventually landed a teaching job at a modest black college and remained there until his retirement in 1998.

    As for the NAACP, can you please explain why the 67 year old Roy Wilkins (whose public prominence hardly antedated King’s) would order a hit on a man he’d worked co-operatively with for a dozen years?

    The Head Negro in Charge prior to King wasn’t any of these men. It was Philip Randolph, who ran one of the rail unions. Randolph in 1968 was 79 years old and on the verge of retirement.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  170. LondonBob says:

    MLK was a useful enough front man for Stanley Levison, that he had such weaknesses was likely a bonus. I believe the tail chasing minister is a common theme of black jokes.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  171. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Well the Democrat Party certainly needs (and gets) black votes today a lot more than it needs white votes in the South so R.E. Lee (or at least his statue) is nowadays in danger in any Democrat ruled part of the South. For the most part, this means big cities, cities with universities, and the states that border on Washington, D.C. I don’t think that most whites in the South have really changed their views on REL but whites are not really in charge anymore in some places. The views haven’t changed but the voter demographics have.

  172. Art Deco says:
    @Whiskey

    As for Black and White people collectively, the complete ways of life of each group are so hostile to each other,

    Blacks have long had more disorganized domestic lives than the rest of the population, and have a lower propensity to save money. Keep in mind, though, that the metrics of the non-hispanic white population in our time indicate more disorganization than the black population was suffering in 1965. You have a critical mass of lumpenproletarian hoods who make most black neighborhoods a trial to live in, but the people experiencing the trial are ordinary wage-earners. The lifeways of a comfortable majority aren’t antagonistic. The problem is in the tail of the bell curve.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  173. Jack D says:
    @Ptui!

    Jesse Jackson was never a Senator, although he was the unpaid “Shadow Senator” from Washington, D.C. which is a non-existent position Constitutionally speaking. If they had elected him the Grand Vizier and Major Poobah of Warshington it would have had the same legal significance – i.e. none.

  174. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Keep in mind, though, that the metrics of the non-hispanic white population in our time indicate more disorganization than the black population was suffering in 1965.

    It depends which metrics. Sure, if you are talking about things like out of wedlock birth and opiate addiction, in some measures whites have surpassed the Negroes of 1965. But in general, we live in a far richer country today and if the black population of 1965 could live like today’s average whites they would have felt like they had died and gone to heaven. Single motherhood is a completely different thing today among white women. In the case of black women in 1965 (and today) it indicated messy personal lives of men coming and going so you might have 5 children by 6 different men (not really sure whether child #3 belongs to A or B). For today’s white single mother she is well aware of who the father is – it is the guy from the sperm donor catalog and she has the means to raise this child on her own without depending on welfare.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Art Deco
  175. @Bill P

    However, the King theology is getting shopworn, as it at least nominally supported equality and harmony between the races. The new progressive ideology is basically an inversion of Nazism in which white Christians must be crushed and destroyed.

    It’s more like what Nazism was an inversion of.

    • Agree: Prester John
  176. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    That’s the problem with conspiracy theories – these supposedly all powerful organizations with unlimited resources keep hiring guys and gals (Ray, Oswald, Sirhan, Hinckley, Fromme, etc.) that you wouldn’t count on to deliver a pizza to the right address, let alone carry out super-secret missions of global importance.

    The sad thing about these assassinations (which make it clear that we are living in Clown World now) is that our institutions are run by such idiots that these sad sack losers are able to get past all the defenses and strike at important targets. It’s one thing if some Tom Cruise Mission Impossible type super-spy is able to outwit our best forces but when a bunch of nutjobs, fanatics and other folks who are clearly several sandwiches shy of a full picnic are able to do so, that really tells you something.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  177. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    [quote]You’re grasping at any straw to defend King, because you have been conditioned to believe anti-racism is the highest virtue.[/quote]

    Even though I freely admitted above that his philandering was well documented?

    Unless I’m misunderstanding something, the author read an FBI agent’s summary of a transcript of a recording. How exactly did he know he was hearing a rape? What does a rape sound like? “Help, help, stop raping me”? Pretty remarkable that he could discern that over MLK’s laughter. Wireless microphones in the mid-1960s were much higher quality than I would have guessed.

    Judging by your blog, you don’t seem to trust the FBI’s reports of collusion between Trump and the Russian government, but you do trust them here. As is usually the case on this blog, skepticism is a selective thing: give white men the maximum benefit of the doubt, believe anything negative about anybody with dark skin.

  178. @Jack D

    Single motherhood is a completely different thing today among white women…
    For today’s white single mother she is well aware of who the father is – it is the guy from the sperm donor catalog and she has the means to raise this child on her own without depending on welfare.

    Or caring about the welfare of the child:

    Some 40-plus years ago, I had a baby without being married or partnered — and without, to my astonishment, the support of any of my “hippy” countercultural friends. As I was doing something bold, I expected them to hover round with offers of baby-sitting, home-cooked meals, etc. Didn’t happen.

    As it turned out, my daughter has reproached me her whole life for depriving her of a full-time father.

    I’ve concluded that one person hasn’t the moral right to decide whether another person will have two parents. Certainly things happen, folks change, we marry unwisely, people die, etc. But to make the choice without any input from the person most affected — an unseen, unknown child — seems to me now to have been supremely arrogant.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2010/06/09/carolyn-hax-give-child-power-to-withstand-creepy-relative/

    The white adults of 1965 would have viewed these women with more disdain, as they don’t have the excuse of being black and stupid.

  179. Art Deco says:
    @LondonBob

    What did Levison ever do that you’d get the idea that he had the psi-power to make everyone around him an instrument of his objects?

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  180. ATBOTL says:

    The boomer conservatives on FreeRepublic mostly don’t believe these allegations, don’t care and don’t want to hear about it:

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3752500/posts

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  181. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    There haven’t been any assassinations of note in nearly forty years, the attack on Gabrielle Giffords excepted. Members of Congress and federal trial judges do not have personal security details.

    In re the attempts on Reagan and Ford, Michael Kinsley suggested that American officials go to school with their British and Israeli counterparts and eliminate the PR bally-hoo which requires all an officials’ movements be broadcast in advance. Kinsley also noted that the security apparatus as is is so large and obtrusive that it telegraphs its presence. That doesn’t say much about ‘our institutions’. It does say something about the mental habits of our politicians and about the Secret Service (which has manifest performance problems).

    In re MLK, again, private citizens seldom have security details. It’s bloody expensive. In re RFK, it wasn’t done prior to 1968 to provide security details to presidential candidates and they weren’t needed. Prior to 1965, former Presidents had no security detail. Mrs. Kennedy lost her detail when she remarried.

    Both George Wallace and John Kennedy had disregarded advice and protocol that day. Not seeing how ‘institutions’ bear responsibility for that.

  182. @Jack D

    in a few isolated places it has some politically incorrect gossip about some people who may or may not be Jesus and Mary, such as whether she was really a virgin or maybe she was messin’ around with them Roman soldiers
    You forgot to mention taking credit for the execution of Jesus and the claim that he is burning in eternity in hell..

    and you also for got to mention that It was seen as a heretical sect by mainstream talmudic Judaism and heavily persecute (Paul of course was the son of a Rabbi and actively persecuting Christian) that is perfect ‘reasonable’ for mainstream Judaism, just as the mainstream (RC) Christian church would persercute protestants a millennium later.

    You also forgot to mention it was so filled with anti-christian vile that it was one of the reasons for Isabel expelling Jews from castille.

    So I think your comment underplays the hostility of Judaism towards Christianity.. of course, any orthodox priest who gets spit on every week by jews knows they have an enormous amount of hatred towards Christianity.

  183. George says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Unlike Gaza there does not seem to be a desire by North African locals to overthrow Spanish rule. As near as I can determine Muslim citizens of the 2 places are full citizens of Spain. The cities are called autonomous, I don’t know if that is an issue.

  184. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    ?

    The total fertility rate of black women in the U.S. is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. Nowadays, the 1st child is typically the issue of a tryst around age 23 and the 2d the issue of the woman’s husband. I’m not seeing how this differs from out-of-wedlock child-bearing among white women today.

  185. @Crawfurdmuir

    What’s interesting about all this is the “What else is new?” aspect. King’s womanizing–like JFK’s–was known for years. As in the case of JFK, when the media picks out someone as their secular Jesus who will somehow save us from ourselves and the word gets out that he (or she i.e. Hillary) are just as screwed-up as the rest of us pilgrims, they play make-believe. King will remain a hero to such as the readership of Slate and the Gray Hag, most of whom dwell in a make-believe environment.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  186. He may have fucked around a lot for a rev., but he had more boulevards named after him than any man in history and triggered as much reformation as the original protest man, Martin Luther.

  187. @Anon

    Indeed–going back to the 60s. The American MSM, however, has long since elevated King to sainthood so–it’s all moot. It’ll be entertaining though to watch all the usual suspects twist themselves into pretzels trying to defend King (watch Hoover get a ritual spanking) before pulling the inevitable race card. Perhaps we might even see an appearance from MacArthur Genius Coates himself.

  188. @AceDeuce

    What was Gay Bayard doing there?.

  189. @Jake

    Didn’t know about the drugs but–wouldn’t be surprised. Nevertheless, bingo!!

    • Replies: @TheJester
  190. @Bruce County

    King does not sound stupid here–he’s merely spouting the kind of crap that race hustlers thrive on–MLK, like Obama, was basically a parasite

  191. @Jack D

    To someone who is not a devout Christian believer, this strikes me as a fair speculation and Occam’s Butterknife would come down on the side of the Roman soldier.

    Yeah, but it was pretty much SOP in the ancient world for political and religious leaders to be of virgin birth, including Krishna, Buddha, Plato, Dionysus, Hercules, and Osirisis. Virgin birth and resurrection from the dead were also much more common than today, though I would not be surprised if Donald Trump were to claim virgin birth if he thought it would win him a few votes. (Resurrection from the dead would be harder to pull off.)

    There were also irregularities in the birth of Moses who was allegedly found floating in the Nile, by an Egyptian princess doing her dirty laundry and raised as an Egyptian. Now how exactly did this story about him really being a Hebrew who had survived one of the periodic massacres of the innocents that were such a feature of life in Biblical times get out when he was an adult and running in the Hebrew leadership primaries with his Hebrexit policy?

    I actually remember reading that someone who knew the writer Aldous Huxley once said something like “he seemed like an angel in our midst, and it was hard to believe that he was human born,” so it seems that there is a natural human tendency to perceive great men as supernatural, especially if you yourself are uneducated.

    “Happiness is not achieved by the conscious pursuit of happiness; it is generally the by-product of other activities.”
    ― Aldous Huxley

    • Replies: @Jack D
  192. @Jonathan Mason

    but he had more boulevards named after him

    Why is it always a boulevard?

    This reminds me of Bill James’s jab at Kansas City:

    At every insurgence of the national media, Kansas City press packets were handed out repeating a number of overworked boasts about the place. “Kansas City has more fountains than Rome.” . . . “Kansas City has more miles of boulevards than Paris.” This one always conjures up images of the International Board of Boulevard Certification, walking along saying “No, I’m afraid this one is just an ‘Avenue’ unless you widen the curb space by four more inches and plant six more trees per half mile.” . . . The city’s image would improve a lot of they would just accept themselves for what they are, and stop handing out malarkey about how many miles of boulevard they have.

    https://blog.plover.com/Kansas-state-quarter.html

  193. Jilla says:

    Ot: looks like a mini juicy smollet hate hoax

    Subway rider lied about anti-gay attack, was actually aggressor: cops: https://nypost.com/2019/05/27/subway-rider-lied-about-anti-gay-attack-was-actually-aggressor-cops/

  194. @bomag

    I believe Robert Byrd was taken very seriously by Republicans and Democrats. He was one of the longer serving senators and for many years chair of the Appropriations Committee. If a fellow senator wanted something appropriated for his district he had to pay obeisance to Mr Byrd. He returned so much federal largess to his home state of West Virginia I’believe he could have had the name changed to something like Byrdland. He was an expert on parliamentary rules and used that to his advantage many times during floor debate, In the long gone days when I watched Senate proceedings on C-Span Bryd was the picture of the well-groomed and manicured Southern politician dwelling at great length on obscure subjects and often reciting lengthy poems from memory. For an ex-Klansman the old boy did quite well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Steve Sailer
  195. anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve read his gigantic Obama biography Rising Star.

    Thank you for your service.

    • LOL: Kylie
  196. How did he get 1,472 pages out of the life of Obama? That’s pretty obsessive.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Art Deco
  197. @Art Deco

    There haven’t been any assassinations of note in nearly forty years, the attack on Gabrielle Giffords excepted.

    The Republican congressional baseball team was another attempt of note.

  198. @Buffalo Joe

    The juice from too wet corn silage, I’d say.

  199. @Art Deco

    There haven’t been any assassinations of note in nearly forty years…

    …in America. The Netherlands, never a hotbed of assassins, opened the millennium with Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.

    In re RFK, it wasn’t done prior to 1968 to provide security details to presidential candidates and they weren’t needed.

    RFK’s bodyguard in Los Angeles was Rosey Grier. Evidently, Dan Reeves wasn’t paying him enough to get by, so Rosey had to moonlight.

  200. @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s not a hugely interesting 1,472 pages.

  201. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Moses’s childhood is one of the less unbelievable parts of his story – at least he wasn’t raised by wolves. However, later on there are certainly supernatural elements involving the parting of the Red Sea, the Burning Bush and so on. Adam and Eve are better examples of virgin birth but I guess they are needed in order to solve the “chicken or egg” issue in the story line. But after that I don’t think there are any more stories of virgin birth in the Jewish scriptures. However, Sarah giving birth at age 90 is almost as miraculous (read unbelievable) as a virgin birth. The idea of an angel appearing in order to announce some coming miraculous event was also pretty common in the Jewish scriptures.

    The virgin birth story appears only in the Gospels of “Matthew” and “Luke”, which were not written by Matthew and Luke but maybe 80 to 100 years after the death of Jesus when all eyewitnesses to his birth would have been dead. As you say, it was pretty common to boost your favorite guru’s street cred by pronouncing that he was the product of virgin birth and/or had pulled off various miracles. Just being a preacher or a wise man was not enough – if the gods favored your man, he should be able to show some sort of superpower to show that he was no ordinary mortal.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  202. Art Deco says:
    @Prester John

    . King’s womanizing–like JFK’s–was known for years. A

    Known by whom?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    , @Anonymous
  203. @Anonymous

    Ted Pappas, editor of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, has probably done more than any other person in documenting the dubiousness of MLK’s doctorate:
    Plagiarism and The Culture War : The Writings of Martin Luther King, Jr, and Other Prominent Americans https://www.amazon.com/dp/0873190459/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_uMf7Cb790DSMJ

  204. American culture is a culture of lies, and MLK is a phony hero, tailor-made to American specifications.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  205. Art Deco says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    That includes the 400 pages of reference material (among which are 270 pages of notes and 36 pages of bibliography). The narrative runs to just shy of 1,100 pages.

    3.8%: Cold open about Chicago (in re a period of time he wasn’t living there).
    6.1%: Early life
    8.2%: College and brief private-sector employment
    12.1%: Alinskyite community organizing in Chicago
    12.2%: Law school & summer clerking
    7.8%: 1st book, academic employment, firm employment, marriage
    12.1%: Running for legislature, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, sitting in legislature.
    11.3%: Sitting in legislature, falling to Bobby Rush
    15.2%: Senate campaign
    6.5%: Congress (concludes with beginning of Pres. campaign)
    4.6%: Epilogue

    I’m wondering in the 164 pages devoted to his Senate campaign if Garrow managed to smoke out who kept feeding confidential paperwork on his opponents’ divorce proceedings to the Chicago media (and if Garrow got an explanation from figures in the media as to why the stuff wasn’t immediately returned unread).

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  206. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    Martin Lecher Kink Blvd.

  207. Clyde says:
    @JimDandy

    Yes, the Frenchies and wannabe Frenchies with their absinthe.

  208. @Lot

    Are you referring to Baldwin’s debate with Bill Buckley? If so, you have characterized Baldwin quite accurately.

    • Replies: @Lot
  209. @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Early morning, April 4
    Shot rings out in the Memphis sky
    Free at last, they took your life
    They could not take your piece on the side

  210. @Anonymous

    By 1968 MLK wasn’t that important anymore. The Memphis garbage worker strike was considered a big defeat. Then he was killed and became a martyr.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  211. @Art Deco

    Known by whom?

    By the people who matter, old chap.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  212. Art Deco says:
    @Alec Leamas

    You mean no one outside the FBI, King’s entourage, Kennedy’s entourage, and Adela Rogers St. John matters? Good to know.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  213. @Anon

    Jack Anderson went into some detail about King’s sexual transgressions in a column around 1969-70. And Anderson was widely read in those days. A history teacher (I was a college sophomore at the time) read the column in class. He was a liberal democrat, though not a hard-line leftist.

    This negative piece on MLK was not widely discussed at the time.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  214. @MikeatMikedotMike

    She also gives off another distinct vibe, IYKWIM.

    What vibe is that?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  215. @Art Deco

    I was referring to JFK.

    In which case, Hoover’s FBI, the Rooskies, the Mob, the Rat Pack and the Press. Just not the American voting public.

  216. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Acilius

    So why would he go on talking and acting in this way? It goes beyond sheer arrogance or thoughtlessness; he must have had some kind of psychological compulsion, an overwhelming desire to be caught and punished, even if that meant taking his friends and his cause down with him. That in turn casts a stark light on his ideas. No longer is King just one more preacher who failed to live up to his lovely words of moral instruction. If the most famous American advocate of nonviolence as a way of life was a masochist with a drive to seek his own destruction and that of everyone who trusted him, he becomes a powerful argument against pacifism. What he presented as peace would simply be another form of violence.

    You are overthinking this. Michael King (his real legal name) was a pretty typical negro of relatively pure blood. Not thinking of the future beyond the next night. Wanting to be punished MIGHT have been Swaggart’s issue, but not King’s. King’s was no future time orientation and being a tool of outside agitators and manipulators with little motivation besides a desire for adulation and pussy.

  217. Art Deco says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    He has his virtues and accomplishments. The trouble is, that was a moment in time and the salient figures in it had talents for just that moment, not for any other moment. (Or, perhaps, they were diverted from productive pursuits by the moment and its sequelae). Hosea Williams had given up a satisfactory career for political agitation and you could argue that Roy Wilkins (lapsed newspaper reporter) might have done something agreeable with his life outside those organizational folds. After 1964, Bayard Rustin had a passable job on the research staff of the AFL-CIO and after 1973 James Farmer had a teaching job for which he was passably qualified. You run down the list of luminaries (Julian Bond, Marion Barry, Charles McDew, James Forman, John Lewis, Stokeley Carmichael, Rap Brown, Vernon Jordan, Jesse Jackson, Ralph David Abernathy, Joseph Lowery, Floyd McKissick) and then you look at Coretta and three of King’s four children (not his youngest, who has plugged along honestly) and you see a chronicle of wasted time (and patronage positions). Let’s have another PBS documentary to buck up.

  218. Jack D., 185, It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a conspiracy verdict, tested and affirmed to forensic standards. See for yourself.

    https://www.thekingcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/King_Family_Trial_Transcript.pdf

    And a matter of exhaustively documented fact:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-plot-to-kill-martin-luther-king-survived-shooting-was-murdered-in-hospital-an-interview-with-william-pepper/5544005

    Ray didn’t need to be an Einstein cause he didn’t have anything to do except flounder around and get framed. Professional government CIA cutouts killed King.

    Malcolm X is an even clearer case. CIA whacked Malcolm X and his foreign interlocutors, Abdul Rahman Babu and Pio Pinto, in Africa. CIA did it because Malcolm was taking the US to the World Court with the help of African member states. CIA was fine with X as long as they could paint him as a violent radical. When he converted to law’norder and enforced jus cogens, that’s when CIA whacked him. CIA is still pumping out propaganda blaming their hits on internal dissension in black nationalist movements, but it’s all slogans for dumbshits. X and King were converging on the need to go over the government’s head to the world to enforce universal-jurisdiction law. That was what put them on Dick Ober’s CIA kill list.

    So stay tuned for the next episode, what a giant horndog Malcolm X was.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  219. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    He was still consequential. Trouble is, his skill set did not include a means of understanding problems most of the country was actually facing in real time. The most insightful person in his camarilla may have been Bayard Rustin, but Rustin never had much of a public profile and wasn’t at all influential after 1964 or thereabouts. Look at Jesse Jackson. He had influence, but only a fuzzy understanding on a good day of what was wrong with the world.

  220. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    Jody Powell described Anderson as ‘non-ideological’. His column in the Post was placed in the features section along with Ann Landers – juxtaposed to the comics pages and the astrology listings. I’m not sure it ever generated any news stories. I think Lester Kinsolving’s column was usually similarly situated in most papers.

  221. Cleburne says:

    MLK – now there was a KANGZ.

  222. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simply Simon

    He returned so much federal largess to his home state of West Virginia I believe he could have had the name changed to something like Byrdland.

    Gibson Guitar would have been happy to see that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_Byrdland

  223. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Any boulevard named after MLK is a dirty one:

  224. Lot says:
    @PV van der Byl

    Yeah. Sorry it was at Cambridge in ‘65, so the undergrads were born 1943-1947.

    Buckley wasn’t too impressive either.

    “In the end, the Cambridge Union Society took a vote on the proposition: “The American Dream is at the expense of the American negro.” The yays outpolled the nays 540-160.”

    It was the 1890-1930 birth cohorts that raised, educated and indoctrinated the young Cambridge men to believe this crap. Ethno-masochism and smug leftist superiority over the benighted southern rednecks has a long pedigree.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  225. Hank Yobo says:
    @Jack D

    You might want to delve into Paul’s use of παραδίδωμι before discounting the veracity of oral tradition within the early Church.

  226. @Art Deco

    William Manchester, in his book The Death of a President, made an astute observation. The shot hit JFK below the throat. The driver of the Presidential car was trained to upon hearing a shot, to hit the accelerator and MOVE.

    However, the driver slowed down and looked behind him, as complete an act of utter stupidity as can be imagined. Had he done what he was trained to do, JFK probably would have survived the first bullet that hit him and likely wouldn’t have been hit again.

    Manchester was angry at the Secret Service driver and always said Oswald was the killer and acted alone. Manchester did follow the party line in not taking Oswald’s Marxism-Communism seriously.

    RFK during his 1968 run insisted on riding around in an open convertible and plunging into crowds. He refused to employ professional bodyguards. The Secret Service didn’t give protection to all candidates until after RFK’s assassination.

    His “protection” the night he was shot was a washed-up ex-FBI agent/family retainer, Rosey Grier, and Rafer Johnson. They were trailing behind RFK instead of being in front, alongside, and on the lookout.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  227. Art Deco says:
    @Ober's Coonhound

    CIA whacked Malcolm X

    He was killed on the orders of Elijah Muhammed, with who he had actual bad blood.

    He was a purveyor of verbiage, a grotesque novelty, not a person of actual consequence.

    • Agree: David In TN
  228. Art Deco says:
    @Ober's Coonhound

    So stay tuned for the next episode, what a giant horndog Malcolm X was.

    There are surviving letters from Malcolm Little to friends which are surprisingly intimate and in which he offers some distress that he’d not been able to satisfy his wife. Don’t think he was much of a horn dog.

    • Replies: @Corn
  229. JimDandy says:
    @L Woods

    Tis what it is–white liberals are patronizing racists.

  230. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    — The FBI summaries came from among 19,000 documents released by Donald Trump in 2018 relating to the Kennedy assasination.

    4D chess as they say

  231. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    These days our wars are for lower stakes, fought by a volunteer army. We no longer have a draft. We don’t worry so much about people whose ancestors were on opposite sides of the Great Unpleasantness having to depend on each other in life or death situations. It still happens, but we don’t worry about it.

    There was a general mobilization during the period running from 1917 to 1920 and from 1940 to 1946. We had a roughly similar situation during the period running from 1950 to 1954. You had throughout the 19th c what amounted to counter-insurgency operations against the Indians and you had from 1898 and 1935 a number of military engagements abroad, but these were all conducted with a volunteer military encompassing modest shares of the country’s domestic product (< 2%).

  232. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:

    Is anyone concerned about big government taping the hotel activites of MLK (or anyone else), or do Americans show less interest than Orwell’s country for another reason? Except when it comes to abortion, most Americans seem oblivious to the most egregious types of civil liberties violations. Back in the Eighties, the ACLU was concerned with this sort of thing, not with fostering mass-scale, welfare-assisted immigration.

    They were concerned with the Bill of Rights and its protection of citizens’ individual liberties.

    Given that MLK’s DNA Dynasty makes sure that people can’t use historical photos of the civil rights leader without paying them their due, you have to wonder whether the legal sensibilities of his heirs will be energized by something like video tapes of their relative’s most intimate moments, put out there for the world to gawk at like a freak show. Will they demand 4th Amendment privacy rights or money in return for the use of the images?

    • Replies: @Corn
  233. Art Deco 237, you need to bone up on John Ali, world’s most blindingly obvious agent provocateur. Ober’s M.O. at CIA was to seed Wisner’s Mighty Wurlitzer with fabricated rumors and news of dissension, which still fools people to this day, poster boy.

    Your heartfelt poesy on X trips off the tongue but it doesn’t actually prove anything, or even mean anything. The prospect of X’s verbiage in an ICJ docket triggered a CIA panic attack of 2 1/2 coups d’état and about ten murders, including white girl Viola Liuzzo. X was riding the wave of the Bandung Conference home to America, and CIA was wetting their pants in abject fear. The inconsequential consequences set in with the customary international law of torture, aggression, and noninterference, US CAT and ICCPR accession, state responsibility, and international criminal law, and they haven’t climaxed yet. You will have noticed that the USA’s more dickless every day. That’s cause black guys still use Malcolm’s brainstorm.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  234. @Simply Simon

    My impression is that mid-Century southern states tended to be pretty adept at identifying the most gifted legislators of each generation and electing them young to Congress and then over and over, where they built up huge seniority and brought home lots of bacon: Byrd, Thurmond, Russell, etc.

    Perhaps this was due to Jim Crow southern states disenfranchising a lot of poor whites, so that the electorates were pretty elite. If the state bar society, say, felt that this young man was The Guy to represent our state in Washington, that message tended to get out to eligible voters.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Paleo Liberal
  235. @Jack D

    and every other conceivable subject of concern to a 5th century Jew living in Babylonia

    According to wikipedia, the oldest complete surviving Talmud was written in 1289 AD in Rome, Italy and published in Constantinople.

    I suppose the Islamic Golden Age libraries in Iraq have yet to be discovered, or that it’s an unrealistic expectation to find a Babylonian Talmud in Babylon.

    As an added twist, wikipedia states: “After the publication of the Bomberg edition of the Jerusalem Talmud [1523] the Leiden Talmud was lost for around three hundred years. It was only to be rediscovered in the mid nineteenth century in the Library of the city of Leiden”

  236. Barnard says:
    @Federalist

    The 40-45 “affairs” number is a significant undercount based on King’s own words. Unless they are only counting women he had ongoing relations with not those he only saw once. I think Garrow is telling a fib about being shocked by these reports. He is the one who reported the “I’m on the road 25-27 nights a month, fornicating* is a form of anxiety reduction for me” quote. None of this is surprise to people who have seriously read about King’s life, to the masses who blindly believe the sainthood narrative they here in school, it might be though.

  237. @Art Deco

    that the metrics of the non-hispanic white population in our time indicate more disorganization than the black population was suffering in 1965

    Does murder/rape per 100k count towards disorganization? Do whites even come to a fraction of 1965 black levels?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  238. @Paleo Liberal

    George Washington Carver was some sort of mentor to the teenage Henry Wallace, the future geneticist and Vice President during WWII.

    Wallace was a very talented man.

  239. @Jack D

    Talmud also deals with some hypothetically very prosaic issues, such as :

    “With God’s help, to His Honor, my dear Rabbi,

    Would it be OU, OK, Kof-K, and Star-K certified if I hogtie this neighbor-guy (goy?) in his own house, and then just leave and fuggedaboutit for a couple of weeks before I come back to check on him?

    I am asking for a friend.”

    THE ANSWER:

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_77.html#E85

    • Replies: @Jack D
  240. Dick says:

    This stuff is at least ten years old. I remember it, to include Garrow as the source, from years ago. And even then it wasn’t particularly news to people in the black/civil-rights communities.

  241. Cleburne says:

    “Slavery was America’s original sin”

    And not the shoahing of the native Americans?

    And what the hell does that even mean, anyway?

  242. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    Quite right, Jake. Mel Bradford and Gene Genovese were on to them before anyone else. I think McPherson’s Battle Cry of Freedom, which institutionalized the imperial myth, marked a real turning point in how the war could be discussed.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  243. Cleburne says:
    @Jack D

    That’s right. Because after all MLK was a True Conservative. Like Harriet Tubman and probably Nat Turner soon enough. David French will explain and instapundit will link.

  244. Cleburne says:
    @bucky

    Growing up in a small Southern town, the local hung a sign stating they were closed to honor Robert E Lee. Continued doing so for some years. This is a place where a good percentage of country folk have Confederate flag license plates. And guess what? We all get along just fine.

  245. Art Deco says:
    @Ober's Coonhound

    You need to learn inductive reasoning, and to quit pestering normal people.

  246. @BB753

    If you mean Cosby, he was ostracized from the black community in May 2004 for his remarks at an NAACP awards ceremony

    But these people, the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! And then we all run out and are outraged, ‘The cops shouldn’t have shot him.’ What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else, and I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said, ‘If you get caught with it you’re going to embarrass your mother.’ Not ‘You’re going to get your butt kicked.’ No. ‘You’re going to embarrass your family.’

    We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail.

    Therefore, they didn’t care if Cosby went to jail.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  247. @Art Deco

    Have you gone mad? Pestering normal people is half the purpose of the Internet!

    The other half is pestering fellow crazy people.

  248. Art Deco says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Poll taxes were eliminated in Georgia in 1945, and some whites were dispensed for paying them prior to that. (https://www.todayingeorgiahistory.org/content/poll-tax-abolished). They were eliminated in South Carolina in 1952, before Thurmond was elected to Congress (https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/political-science-and-government/political-science-terms-and-concepts/poll-tax). It’s not clear if you’re referring to Robert Byrd or Harry Byrd. West Virginia had no poll tax at any time during Robert Byrd’s career. Virginia’s poll tax was fixed at $1.50 per year in 1904. (https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/poll_tax). As of 1932, $1.50 amounted to 0.4% of nominal personal income per capita. A contextually similar sum today would be $68. I suspect the vast majority of people today couldn’t be bothered with voting if it would cost them $68 a year, but that’s not because they absolutely could not spare the cash.

    The share of the resident population in Virginia, Georgia, and South Carolina who cast ballots in 1952 (15-19%) was a good deal lower than the share nationally (39%), but at that point you can’t attribute the difference to poll taxes.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  249. Art Deco says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I was referring to family formation.

    Not sure what the perpetration rates among blacks were in 1965. In generally, crime rates were increasing rapidly at that time, but I’m not sure if that increase was evenly distributed accross all racial categories.

  250. @David In TN

    A very close friend of mine’s family are camera buffs and they have an 8mm tape of JFK they took of him riding around in a Lincoln convertible. I believe the picture was shot in Hawaii where they lived in the early 60’s. Kennedy was in the back seat on the right side of the car as it made a left turn and he was so close they could have reached out and slapped him. I realized when I saw that he really was not very careful and I am not surprised that someone whacked him. Not unlike Archduke Ferdinand.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  251. @ATBOTL

    The boomer conservatives on FreeRepublic mostly don’t believe these allegations, don’t care and don’t want to hear about it:

    I’m shocked! Free Republic is still going?

    I think it was 20 years last month that I logged out for good. Except for one visit in 2000, to defend our own Steve. For which I was banned.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  252. Steve Sailer: “And then they came for MLK…”

    I’m sure they did, over and over and over again. He’s an American Dream, the perfect combination of “muh dik” negro and the ability to talk like a white man without lapsing into ebonics. It should come as no surprise that the fact that he has been exposed as a complete fraud only makes him more attractive to the society of liars called the USA. If he didn’t exist it would have been necessary for them to invent him.

    Art Deco: “He has his virtues and accomplishments. ”

    The same could be said of anyone. But let’s give him his due. The society of liars wouldn’t have memorialized just anyone with a statue 30 feet tall. He was a special negro with a unique combination of talents and a gift for plagiarism that earned him a doctorate from a Bible college; one that a majority of whites, in their Christianized culture, love to kneel before.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  253. @BenKenobi

    Also, what kind of whiskey are you?

    my guess: Johnny Walker Blue, neat

    I was going to say Ice Hole, but that’s schnapps.

    Revel Stoke, perhaps? Nah, our whisk[e]y comes in but one flavo[u]r.

  254. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    It was well known on both the racial and nonracial right and by anyone who was around him, including a lot of press people and church people. They stayed quiet about it.

    To be fair it was a different time. Everyone knew that JFK was nailing a lot of women and that was out of the mainstream press too (though even MAD Magazine commented as early as ’61 that Monroe was a person of interest to JFK) and a lot of other politicians fooled around too in ways that would be career ending even to a Democrat now.

    But no white minister could have gotten away with being as brazen as King was then or now. The churches would not have tolerated it. Indeed, Swaggart’s failing is that he was doing it right in front of the church of a rival preacher, who he himself had had defrocked for sex offenses:

    Background

    Swaggart’s exposure came as retaliation for an incident in 1986 when Swaggart exposed fellow Assemblies of God minister Marvin Gorman, who had been accused of having several affairs. Once exposed, Gorman was defrocked from the Assemblies of God, his ministry all but ended. As a retaliatory move, Gorman hired his son Randy and son-in-law Garland Bilbo to stake out the Travel Inn on Airline Highway in Baton Rouge. A camera with a telephoto lens was placed in the window of the motel’s Room 12, and was draped with a black cloth. When Swaggart arrived, he reportedly went into Room 7. Randy Gorman and Garland Bilbo let the air out of the tires on Swaggart’s vehicle. They called Marvin Gorman, whose church was located nearby. Randy Gorman and Garland Bilbo had taken photos of Swaggart outside Room 7 with Debra Murphree,[6][7] a local prostitute. Gorman arrived at the Travel Inn a short while later and asked Swaggart what he was doing there.

    According to Swaggart: The Unauthorized Biography of an American Evangelist, by Ann Rowe Seaman, Gorman secured a promise from Swaggart that he would publicly apologize to Gorman and start the process of Gorman’s reinstatement to the Assemblies of God. Gorman offered to remain silent if Swaggart would state publicly that he lied about Gorman’s affairs. Gorman waited almost a year, then hand-delivered a note to Swaggart informing him his time was up; Swaggart did not respond. On February 16, 1988, Gorman contacted James Hamil, one of the 13-man Executive Presbytery of the Assemblies of God, who called Raymond Carlson, the Assemblies Superintendent. Carlson summoned Hamill and Gorman to fly to Assemblies of God headquarters in Springfield, Missouri and arranged for an emergency meeting of the presbyters. He was shown photos of several men coming in and going out of Room 7 at the Travel Inn Motel in New Orleans. This was done to establish that the room was being used for prostitution. One of the men seen leaving Room 7 was Swaggart. The presbytery leadership of the Assemblies of God decided that Swaggart should be suspended from broadcasting his television program for three months.

    Swaggart, a man whose crowd-working capacities rival those of James Brown, Mick Jagger, and that guy with the funny mustache from Austria, is not especially known for his planning acumen, but there’s no evidence he’s especially stupid. The case for him wanting to be punished is plausible.
    King, on the other hand, was a sadist, not a masochist. He just didn’t give a shit and once having gotten away with it never bothered to think it would cause trouble for him. It’s possible-who knows?-his handlers had talked to him about it and he was not responding and they figured it would blow up on them sooner or later, and possibly that was a factor in the possible decision to
    “deal with” him. Certainly such people would have had no moral scruples against doing so, and James Earl Ray is a plausible “dixie cup” assassin-a disposable asset.

    Short of a Final Judgment Day on which the sins of all are revealed, we’ll never know for sure. As in the deaths of the Kennedys, Marilyn Monroe, and indeed many others, the conspiracy theories are thick but everyone involved is now dead and the matter is legally otiose at this point.

    But what we do know is that the man we know as “Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King” was morally bankrupt, a sexual beast who hired and often beat white prostitutes with church funds, a willing tool of communist operatives, the holder of a doctorate obtained by fraud, and who was never legally named Martin Luther King.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    , @Art Deco
  255. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    That would be film, not tape.

  256. All this is only riveting if one has a particularly high opinion of King in the first place. Otherwise, any revelations are going to be a bit like discovering that dogs lick their private parts and eat crumbs off the floor.

  257. @ScarletNumber

    The judge in Cosby’s case specifically stated he unsealed the records relating to Cosby’s past behaviors due to his comments regarding black dysfunction in the past.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  258. A lot of you in this thread are underestimating the strength of the MLK myth outside the fenced boundary of iSteve.com.

  259. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    I’m wondering in the 164 pages devoted to his Senate campaign if Garrow managed to smoke out who kept feeding confidential paperwork on his opponents’ divorce proceedings to the Chicago media (and if Garrow got an explanation from figures in the media as to why the stuff wasn’t immediately returned unread).

    Good question.

    Incidentally, though I guess you haven’t actually read the book (or you wouldn’t be wondering about this), you are able to offer us a detailed mathematical breakdown of its contents, down to the nearest tenth of one percent! Remarkable.

  260. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    Buckley wasn’t too impressive either.

    He never was. Buckley’s main strength as a debater was his bizarre accent, which did him no good in England.

  261. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Boomers don’t worship blacks (unless they’re famous athletes). They’re scared of blacks.

    All this “Dems are the Real Racists” stuff is groveling before the bully and telling him to beat up someone else today.

    Republicans and media conservatives (like FOX) kiss ass to black Republicans as a form of protection money. If someone accuses you of racism, you can wave around your special black friend as a protective talisman.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  262. @Steve Sailer

    It wasn’t necessarily the state bar.

    In the town in Arkansas where I grew up there was a very influential newspaper publisher named Roberta Fulbright. She had a running feud of sorts with some Democratic Party leaders. At one point she used her considerable influence to get her son, J. William Fulbright elected to the senate.

    Fulbright spent 30 years in the senate, all as the state’s junior senator. Almost all of his primary victories were closely contested. He finally lost a primary in 1974 to Dale Bumpers, who was then governor of Arkansas. Political scientist Diane Blair said Bumpers had been the best governor Arkansas ever bad. Considering that Ms. Blair and her second husband Jim Blair were very close friends with Bill and Hillary Clinton, that was a rather remarkable statement.

    • Replies: @Marty
  263. TheJester says:
    @Prester John

    Drug-enhanced sex fueled by marijuana, methamphetamines, LSD, and cocaine was part of the culture in the 1965-through-1980s social and sexual revolutions. This was all the rage on university campuses at the time and, it now appears, in Catholic seminaries and among the Vatican Curia in the post-Vatican II era. It all came to a screeching halt in the 1980s with the die-off associated with the AIDS epidemic.

    I once read a Princeton History of the United States written in the 1890s. It highlighted that cocaine abuse and violence were key social characteristics of black communities … with perhaps the former driving the latter. Given that, it is extremely likely that Martin Luther King and his cadre were very familiar with the enticements of drug-enhanced sex that increases the libido while suspending one’s judgment with respect to the risks and consequences of impulsive, over-the-edge behaviors.

    MLK having impersonal and anonymous sex with hundreds of women has all of the characteristics of drug-enhanced sex. MLK telling jokes while watching a fellow minister “rape” a woman has all of the characteristics of drug-enhanced sex. MLK and his cadre servicing multiple prostitutes in an orgy the night he was killed has all of the characteristics of drug-enhanced sex. QED

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  264. Corn says:
    @anon

    Problem is there is no terra nullius to deport them to. If we deport our criminals to other countries they will start dumping their own on us (arguably Central America already is).

    So until Mars is terraformed….

  265. Art Deco, I apologize for triggering your fragile snowflake intellect with unwelcome facts pertaining to black guys who don’t kiss enough ass. I resolve to learn and grow from my hurtful conduct and only obsess about your Liberty University sumo cum loud honors-thesis stuff, and not Amilcar Cabral or other guys who outsmarted whitey and shitcanned him back to Myrtle Beach.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  266. Corn says:
    @Art Deco

    Maybe he was too busy touring and lecturing to put the wood to Mrs. X. Or maybe he’d rather satisfy the guys. It’s long been rumored during his younger criminal days he dabbled in prostitution and hustling. IIRC those stories have never been conclusively proven but they’ve never been conclusively debunked either.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AceDeuce
  267. Corn says:
    @Anonymous

    “Is anyone concerned about big government taping the hotel activites of MLK (or anyone else), or do Americans show less interest than Orwell’s country for another reason? Except when it comes to abortion, most Americans seem oblivious to the most egregious types of civil liberties violations. Back in the Eighties, the ACLU was concerned with this sort of thing, not with fostering mass-scale, welfare-assisted immigration.
    They were concerned with the Bill of Rights and its protection of citizens’ individual liberties.”

    True. When I was a kid in the 80s the ACLU always seemed to get in the papers for suing small towns over nativity displays in the town park Separation of church and state don’tcha know. I always thought the ACLU were petulant buzzkills.

    But those are the good old days compared to the ACLU of the 2010s, which is trying to establish immigration as a right and pretends the Second Amendment doesn’t exist.

  268. @bored identity

    AOC really is an amusing idiot.

    People “dredge up” thuggish photos of shooting “victims” like Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin because it’s relevant to whether they were shot in self-defense while engaging in thug-like behavior.

    For non-compliance with a subpoena it’s not so much an issue. Besides, does AOC really think there are pictures of Hope Hicks flashing gang signs and posing with guns and stacks of cash. What a dope she is.

  269. @Jack Hanson

    The judge in Cosby’s case specifically stated he unsealed the records relating to Cosby’s past behaviors due to his comments regarding black dysfunction in the past.

    That was a different Federal Judge from the Eastern District of Pennsylvania from the one who presided over his criminal trials (Court of Common Pleas in Montgomery County).

    Still, I thought it was pretty outrageous.

    Additionally, the Common Pleas Judge presided over a pretrial hearing at which the District Attorney from the original investigation, Bruce Castor, testified that he had indeed made an agreement with Cosby’s attorneys not to prosecute if Cosby waived his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in a subsequent civil case in which the standard of proof is much lower. The civil case is the one in which Cosby gave deposition testimony that was later used against him in the recent criminal trials.

  270. @Anonymous

    King, on the other hand, was a sadist, not a masochist. He just didn’t give a shit and once having gotten away with it never bothered to think it would cause trouble for him. It’s possible-who knows?-his handlers had talked to him about it and he was not responding and they figured it would blow up on them sooner or later, and possibly that was a factor in the possible decision to “deal with” him. Certainly such people would have had no moral scruples against doing so, and James Earl Ray is a plausible “dixie cup” assassin-a disposable asset.

    I think this works only if you assume that the deep state preferred the black radicals to MLK because they were self-discrediting and cast black liberation and civil rights movements in an unacceptable light.

    On the other hand, if you let King know that you know what you know, he’s owned and can’t stray into more radical approaches.

  271. Art Deco says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I’m sure they did, over and over and over again. He’s an American Dream, the perfect combination of “muh dik” negro and the ability to talk like a white man without lapsing into ebonics.

    Most blacks move back and forth between standard English and dialect during the course of the day. That sort of thing is atypical in English, but other languages (Arabic, Modern Greek) have formal and demotic modes between which adepts oscillate.

  272. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    It was well known on both the racial and nonracial right and by anyone who was around him, including a lot of press people and church people. They stayed quiet about it.

    Who are you talking about here? King? No it wasn’t.

    To be fair it was a different time. Everyone knew that JFK was nailing a lot of women and that was out of the mainstream press too (though even MAD Magazine commented as early as ’61 that Monroe was a person of interest to JFK) and a lot of other politicians fooled around too in ways that would be career ending even to a Democrat now.

    No, it wasn’t generally known until 1975. There were people on the White House staff who didn’t know. Some reporters have indicated they were familiar with what was going on (e.g. Adela Rogers St. John).

    • Replies: @David In TN
  273. Art Deco says:
    @Corn

    Given that the general assumptions people employ in discussions like this, no rumor about anyone can possibly be conclusively debunked.

  274. Art Deco says:
    @Ober's coonhound

    That you’re sarcastic doesn’t render you less of a kook.

  275. Art Deco says:
    @TheJester

    Drug-enhanced sex fueled by marijuana, methamphetamines, LSD, and cocaine was part of the culture in the 1965-through-1980s social and sexual revolutions. This was all the rage on university campuses at the time and, it now appears, in Catholic seminaries and among the Vatican Curia in the post-Vatican II era. It all came to a screeching halt in the 1980s with the die-off associated with the AIDS epidemic.

    You’ve been reading too many dopey magazine articles.

    • Replies: @TheJester
  276. kikz says:

    i’m lovin’ it. the day of reckoning has arrived. 😀

  277. ATBOTL says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, it’s still going. Those types of people are still probably the majority of conservatives in this country. They are certainly the large majority of boomer aged conservatives. Tell us more about what happened. What was the context in which you were defending Steve and what did those clowns say when they banned you?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  278. @Art Deco

    What did Levison ever do that you’d get the idea that he had the psi-power to make everyone around him an instrument of his objects?

    I know nothing about Levison’s “psi-power,” but can tell you that he was the CPUSA money man in charge of funding King’s activities. The CPUSA had been funding agitation in the US black community since the 1930s, e.g., engaging a lawyer for the “Scottsboro Boys,” and in this activity it had been a conduit for monies sent by the Soviet Union. King was an alumnus of the Highlander Folk School, a communist front in east Tennessee, as was Rosa Parks. The entire so-called civil rights movement at that time was substantially an organ for Soviet political interference in and destabilization of the American political order.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  279. Marty says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Any idea why the leading newspaper in both Fayetteville and L.R. was named the Democrat?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  280. @Marty

    At one point the leading paper in Little Rock was the Arkansas Gazette. In Fayetteville was the Northwest Arkansas Times. The second biggest paper in Little Rock was the Arkansas Democrat. That dates back from the days when newspapers were more openly partisan. A number of papers throughout the country were called this or that Democrat or Republican. In the old South “Democrat “ was a more common name.

    When newspapers started going out of business, the Arkansas Democrat acquired the Gazette. Many years later they acquired the NW Arkansas Times as well. Now both the old Gazette and the old Times are called Democrat.

    I lived in Conway, Arkansas for a little while in the 1990s. The local paper there was the Log Cabin Democrat.

    The irony is at the time the Democrat bought out the Gazette, the Gazette still had a pro-Democratic editorial board but the Democrat was heavily Republican.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  281. @ATBOTL

    Someone posted one of Steve’s pieces, and readers were told not to do that again. Steve wasn’t welcome there.

    Funny, he was welcome at UPI.

    I wrote something anodyne in his defense. Knee-jerk Robinson personally suspended me. I’ve never gone back.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  282. @Paleo Liberal

    That dates back from the days when newspapers were more openly partisan. A number of papers throughout the country were called this or that Democrat or Republican.

    Also, “democrat” and “republican” have generic meanings that people in this country tend to forget. Some of these papers might have been thinking along those lines.

    The Plattsburgh, N.Y., Republican was founded in 1811, long before the party.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  283. @Anon

    All this “Dems are the Real Racists” stuff is groveling before the bully and telling him to beat up someone else today.

    “Racist” is a fake word that has never had any legitimate meaning.

    The real question is, are Dems the real realists? They went ballistic over the McDonald and Heller decisions because they knew perfectly well what would happen if the right to keep and bear arms was extended to blacks. As did the authors of the Bill of Rights, who agreed with them. As did their own Roger Taney.

    But if blacks don’t have a right to arms, that opens up the question of what rights they do have. The whole voting-rights business is based on the same Fourteenth Amendment they’re forced to oppose with respect to guns.

  284. @Cleburne

    So should segregation have been left in place? Should some other approach have been used to end it?

    I find it very frustrating that people comment on here about how bad all these decisions have been but offer no counterpoint to what was clearly unequal treatment. You have a sign on a public bus that says, “Colored to the rear”, which my sister saw, illegal and unenforced, in SC in 1981, and you think it won’t piss people off to the point of action?

    Yes, the civil rights movement was full of commies and criminals, but what were the good people doing to end segregation, and would that have worked? And here we thought MLK’s non-violent tactics were the correct ones.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  285. ATBOTL says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s classic FR. Do you remember what the piece was about?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  286. keypusher says:
    @Anon

    I don’t blame Quilette, they’ve got enough to deal with. The statistics about infiltration of far-left organizations in the 60s reminds me of the old joke that on the internet, the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents.

  287. I wrote about similar observations about the tapes made by Garrow three years ago. Why is this suddenly “news” again?
    https://www.takimag.com/article/martin_luther_king_pussy_grabber_kathy_shaidle/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  288. @Art Deco

    Most blacks move back and forth between standard English and dialect during the course of the day. That sort of thing is atypical in English, but other languages (Arabic, Modern Greek) have formal and demotic modes between which adepts oscillate.

    Many English people, including members of my own family, switch back and forth between speaking regional dialects and speaking standard English depending on whom they are talking to, and the situation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  289. TheJester says:
    @Art Deco

    I’ve read a number of your other comments. Not worth my attention.

    However, for others, I lived through the social, drug, and sexual revolution of the 1960s through the 1980s and saw everything I noted first hand. I saw people I cared about ruin their marriages and their futures with promiscuous drug-driven sex … and one of my closest friends, a homosexual, died of AIDS in the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s.

    A short trip into the literature of the times and you will find people applauding this as the “Golden Age of Pedophilia”. This is also the time period in which most of the clerical sexual abuse of young boys in the Catholic Church occurred. They are still cleaning up that mess.

    Others might remember the drug-fueled hippie communes and their sexual orgies. Does anyone recall Charles Manson and his “tribe” as a caricature of the times? MLK was evidently fully involved in the culture of the times.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  290. Art Deco says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    but can tell you that he was the CPUSA money man in charge of funding King’s activities.

    King had no need of CPUSA money men. When King started his organization in 1956, the Communist Party was underground and had lost > 80% of its membership.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  291. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You’re British, right?

    I’ve seen that tape. That fellow is demonstrating accents. There may be some regional colloquial vocabulary t00. Linguistics isn’t my subject, but if I understand correctly, that’s qualitatively different from what they mean by ‘diglossia’, which differentiates spoken Arabic vernaculars, Modern Literary Arabic, and Classical Arabic or demotic Greek from formal Greek.

    The demotic used by American blacks has some structural differences with standard English (it uses ‘aspects’ rather than ‘tenses’ per one linguist whose lectures I have). Also, the dynamics of it can be quite different. Blacks do not use full-on demotic unless they’ve tuned out the non-blacks around them. However, the distinction between standard English and the demotic can be fuzzy because when blacks speak ungrammatical English, they usually do so by incorporating elements of the demotic into standard English sentences (e.g. treating ‘to be’ as a regular verb).

    There are other differences in speech patterns. Regional accents are dying in the U.S., but what you see outside the black population is that the Southern accent is disappearing. What Thos Sowell has noted is that blacks who grow up in New York and Chicago these days all sound like Southern blacks, which he indicates wasn’t the case in the 1940s. Vocal timbre and elocution also differs. Every once in a while you meet someone black with precise elocution, but that’s atypical even among quite extensively educated blacks.

    Bayard Rustin actually took elocution lessons as a youth, but even he didn’t have particularly clipped speech.

  292. Art Deco says:
    @TheJester

    I lived through it too. There was an aspect which you saw in everyday life and an aspect which was manifest only in odd subcultures. The divorce courts, the street crime, cannabis, LSD (for a short time), the Ford Pinto, the ugly clothes and the bad haircuts were everyday life. The East Village, hippiedom, Castro Street and Christopher Street, swinging, &c were odd subcultures.

    As for what was up in the Catholic Church, the point of origin of the sexual misconduct appears to have been around 1930, you had a rapid escalation in the phenomenon over the period running from 1950 to 1970, a plateau between 1970 and 1990, and then a rapid collapse after 1990. For the most part, it was pederasty, not paedophilia, and it involved a small subset of the clergy.

    Much more visible (and likely damaging) was the ruin of Catholic liturgy in that era. Unlike the sexual misconduct, the ruin of the liturgy was official policy.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  293. Art Deco says:
    @TheJester

    Does anyone recall Charles Manson and his “tribe” as a caricature of the times?

    He wasn’t. Just a gruesome human interest story.

  294. @ScarletNumber

    In Denver’s upcoming Mayoral run off campaign. The Black incumbent Mayor Michael Hancock has had several #metoo moments. He is currently running against a White women, both are liberals as they would be in blue Denver, but Mayor Hancock fearing for his political future has pulled out the race card. The ?, will the race card trump #Metoo, will know in a couple of weeks. https://www.coloradopolitics.com/news/premium/uproar-over-race-engulfs-denver-mayoral-candidate-jamie-giellis-video/article_1b8b76a4-7867-11e9-b90f-3f64982d46bb.html

  295. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    You have a sign on a public bus that says, “Colored to the rear”, which my sister saw, illegal and unenforced, in SC in 1981.

    Things that didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  296. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Linguistics isn’t my subject

    What is your subject?

  297. @Art Deco

    “No, it wasn’t generally known until 1975.”

    In late 1975, the Judith Exner story was unearthed by the Church committee and was all over the news. Then Time magazine did a “JFK’s Other Women” story.

    This was the first time it was in the MSM.

  298. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kathy Shaidle

    It was never news to anyone who reads cootie infested right wing literature. Most of King’s perfidies were known to me when I was in high school (late seventies).

    You couldn’t tell anyone though or they’d get upset and call you a liar. It was more uncool than preferring the Clash or Ramones to Rush, Zep or Floyd. Way more uncool.

  299. Jack D says:
    @bored identity

    1st of all it says nothing about goyim – presumably they are talking about fellow Jews. 2nd, these are typical law school type hypotheticals to test the limits of what we call “proximate cause” in the common law. When philosophers discuss the “trolley problem” they aren’t making plans to tie their neighbors to the railroad tracks either.

    There was one guy in my law school class who had been to yeshiva and I had the feeling that law school was a piece of cake for him because he had been batting around these kind of hypotheticals since childhood.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @bored identity
  300. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    The Pinto was in many ways a fine car. Other than its propensiuty to explode if rear ended…..

    The steering and front suspension are still sold at high prices for Street Rod builders, and the four and six cylinder engines in the Pinto were good, except for one of the fours which was a shitlog. That 4 is still in use in several classes of race car, but cores are getting scarce. Vis-a-vis the Vega, which was an inferior car in every way made to be super cheap to build. (GM lost its ass on the Corvair, later ones of which were actually good iuf quirky cars, but cost too much to build.)

  301. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    There was one guy in my law school class who had been to yeshiva and I had the feeling that law school was a piece of cake for him because he had been batting around these kind of hypotheticals since childhood.

    Maybe he was just smarter than everybody else. Jews are said to be more intelligent than others, especially in law.

  302. @Art Deco

    Yes, I gave the link to that video because it was rather amusing, but it does demonstrate some of the numerous variations of the English language, and includes examples like Jamaican patois, which like ebonics is a kind of English Creole.

    Many years ago Albert Shanker, who was the leader of a Teachers’ Union in the US, wrote a weekly column in the New York Times, and wrote once about children from St. Kitts in New York, who were unable to understand standard English since they spoke a local Kittitian (sic) patois that was mutually incomprehensible with standard English.

    I wrote to him and pointed out that if that was the case, these children would not be able to understand radio and TV news in St. Kitts. or anything else on TV for that matter, so they would be in a bad way wherever they lived.

    But really this is the case all over the English speaking world where there is a large disconnect between the spoken language and the official and written languages. It is always going to be the case that those who are illiterate will find the formal versions of the language difficult to deal with, but then the reason we have an education system is to make it possible for all citizens to learn the formal nontribal language that links all variations of English.

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  303. @Art Deco

    King had no need of CPUSA money men.

    If that is so, then why did he maintain such a steadfast, close, and long-term relationship with Stanley Levison, as well as with Hunter Pitts O’Dell, and other Communists?

    It is at the very least irrelevant that the CPUSA had lost membership since its heyday during the FDR years. The political climate had shifted against it by the ’50s and many of its supporters found it convenient to cease overt association with the CPUSA. That did not mean that they all experienced conversions like those of Whittaker Chambers or James Burnham. Rather, they continued to support the Left, often through front organizations. Moreover, the CPUSA continued to function as a conduit (though not the only one) for Soviet money and influence into the United States for purposes of propaganda, disinformation, and destabilization. Indeed, Gus Hall continued to receive suitcases of cash from the Soviet Union for decades thereafter, through all his presidential runs in 1972, 1976 (when John Brennan voted for him!), 1980, and 1984, and right up through the end of the Soviet Union. Says Wikipedia:

    In 1992, the Moscow daily Izvestia claimed that the CPUSA had received over $40 million in payments from the Soviet Union, contradicting Hall’s long-standing claims of financial independence. The former KGB General Oleg Kalugin declared in his memoir that the KGB had Hall and the American Communist Party “under total control”….

    How much of that $40 million do you suppose ended up funding King’s rabble-rousing?

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    , @snorlax
  304. @Art Deco

    Blacks do not use full-on demotic unless they’ve tuned out the non-blacks around them. However, the distinction between standard English and the demotic can be fuzzy because when blacks speak ungrammatical English, they usually do so by incorporating elements of the demotic into standard English sentences (e.g. treating ‘to be’ as a regular verb).

    I think that is just an obsolete form of English, though. I heard quite a lot of black-to-black speech when I worked in a US prison.

    “Why, I danced and laughed only yesterday!” she went on to herself. “To think that I was such a fool!”

    “‘Tis because we be on a blighted star, and not a sound one, isn’t it, Tess?” murmured Abraham through his tears.

    [Tess of the Durbevilles]

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Sam Malone
  305. @Art Deco

    The demotic used by American blacks has some structural differences with standard English (it uses ‘aspects’ rather than ‘tenses’ per one linguist whose lectures I have).

    Is such an aspect what might called the “ebonic aorist”?

    The aorist, in Greek, is defined as “an unqualified past tense of a verb without reference to duration or completion of the action.”

    In its ebonic aspect, such an expression as “Shitavious be workin’ when de boss came in” can generally be translated as “Shitavious was goofing off until he saw the boss coming, started working as soon as he entered the room, and returned to idleness as soon as the boss left.” Hence, the expression is without reference to the duration or completion of the action.

  306. @ATBOTL

    Steve did a follow-up which mentioned FR’s censorship. Check his pre-Unz archives, or Vdare.com’s.

  307. @Jack D

    1st of all “(goy?)” was just added for inflammatory value… you know, for kids.

    2nd, these “typical law school type hypotheticals” are the exact reason why a bj ain’t sex, and why Weimerica has to aquit whenever someone’s glove doesn’t fit.

    3rd, this skull talmudrudgery has nothing to do with Philosophy, ( which was always Greek to the folks of ancient Judea, anyway) just as Love for Knowledge has nothing in common with Dersowitz’s Courtroom Gotcha! Orgasms.

    4th, Tdzak, you ‘re smart enough to understand that the primordial source of the “Set It & Forget It, Ain’t Crime” doctrine is not the result of some refined, Jewish version of Scholasticism (ie. ‘how many angels can fit on the tip of the needle’)

    Once upon a time, some idle-minded Jew was trying to chutzpah his rotten soul with some “What If” scenarios…

    Then he went to the Certified Hebrew Gandolf for some holistic advice.

    There’s no metaphysics behind the process; it was all about an animalistic desire to work around that pesky commandment of Thou Shalt Not Kill…piece of cake.

  308. @Art Deco

    I suspect the vast majority of people today couldn’t be bothered with voting if it would cost them $68 a year, but that’s not because they absolutely could not spare the cash.

    I wonder if there were any laws about having others pay the poll tax for you. I know plenty of people who wouldn’t pay $68 to vote, but would have their hand out.

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  309. @Art Deco

    This is known as code switching.

  310. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Shanker was likely talking out of his rear or talking book.

    Illiteracy among populations over 15 isn’t a problem in the United States or in the more affluent Anglo-Caribbean states. It’s something of a problem in the less affluent Caribbean states (Jamaica, Guyana), where it encompasses 15% of the population. However, that 15% is concentrated among the older age brackets. In and among the late adolescent population, it’s < 4%. In the U.S., purveyors of social hypochondria (jonesing for grant money and employment) invented the term 'functional illiteracy' around about 1980 to describe people who do not read much and aren't very bright. The unintelligent you will always have with you.

    I'm not seeing a 'large disconnect' in this country. I've seen the following: common speech is less fluent and grammatical than it once was (something you can see comparing people born in 1938 to people born in 1951, though it has gotten somewhat worse in succeeding cohorts) and regional vernacular has been in decline (which is most acutely so in Southern bourgeois families). You also have some new status markers. See the reaction to Sarah Palin 10 years ago; Palin has an idiosyncratic way of speaking that sounds quite down home.

    • Replies: @Corn
  311. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that is just an obsolete form of English,

    No. Again. tenses of past, present, and future are not to be found in black American demotic. Since it’s regularly spoken by 30+ million people, I’m not seeing how it’s ‘obsolete’. It cannot be used for certain purposes, of course.

  312. Art Deco says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Not sure about Virginia. Other states offered dispensations to people who had a certain pedigree, such as an ancestor who had cast a ballot prior to 1862 or an ancestor who had fought for the Confederacy. Also, those figures were general election figures. General elections were commonly pro-forma in the South, so you’d need to look at Democratic primary turnout.

  313. @Anonymous

    I wish. It’s pretty insulting and we were completely shocked to hear about it. But it was an old sign and completely ignored. Greenville, SC, 1981, near Bob Jones U. Sorry, no pictures.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  314. @Jake

    You packed contrasting, irrefutable insights into this comment, accurately compressing the 200 most recent years of history into three sentences while maintaining clarity on the distinct groups of villains:

    The ‘civil rights’ movement was in origin, back to Abolitionism and the Emancipation Proclamation and Reconstruction, about the Yank WASP Elites acting to break and subdue the whites they most feared and hated. Jews took that culture war to a whole new level, starting slowly with the 1920s, and exploding in 1948.

    The 1950s-60s civil rights movement was Cultural Marxism before anybody guessed at the slightly new concept, much less named it.

    Jews, self proclaimed as typically rebellious, made ZERO efforts to rebel against the status quo that was black slavery in the US and worldwide because THEY WERE PROFITING FROM IT TO THE MAX as financiers, brokers, auctioneers and slaveholders.

    Abolition was EXCLUSIVELY a white Christian initiative WORLDWIDE.

    That it was primarily if not exclusively Protestant can not be denied. If the motive was more directed as an attack by WASPs on white rivals than beneficence to blacks that can’t be a surprise because who among the WASPs today is insisting on what blacks really need now – standards of black conduct in 1) Christian sexual morality meaning chastity via sex only in lifelong monogamy of Christian marriage among opposite sex spouses neither of whom as a living former spouse ; 2) honor; 3) diligence over slothfulness; 4) personal responsibility over blame transfer excuses; 5) self-control over impulsive violence; 6) respectful public comportment over loud foul language; 7) disdain for criminality instead of its glorification; etc.

    That Jews transitioned from the 19th Century’s most exploitative profiteers in black flesh into the 20th Centuries great exploiters of blacks in other ways beyond slavery after slavery was eliminated by WASPs, weaponizing blacks as golem against the out group Jews hate most and are targeting first in their genocidal program called “Cultural Marxism” – whites – is obvious to all, except maybe WASPs and those among the blacks who aren’t heeding Farrakhan’s warnings that Jews are targeting blacks for “NEXT” after whites via abortion, drugs, criminality and sexual immorality.

  315. Art Deco says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    If that is so, then why did he maintain such a steadfast, close, and long-term relationship with Stanley Levison, as well as with Hunter Pitts O’Dell, and other Communists?

    Because he didn’t care about their previous affiliations and he found them useful for other reasons. He also employed Bayard Rustin (who had passed in and out of the CP and in and out of the Fellowship of Reconciliation). He found Rustin useful, but he had no particular need of a homosexual lapsed pacifist.

    In 1992, the Moscow daily Izvestia claimed that the CPUSA had received over $40 million in payments from the Soviet Union, contradicting Hall’s long-standing claims of financial independence.

    The CPUSA was founded in 1919. If we posit that the $40 million was distributed over time in accordance with the sum of nominal annual personal income receipts in this country, the nominal annual payments would have varied between $35,000 at the beginning of this period to just shy of $3 million at the end. The payment in 1962 would have been $250,000 to finance an organization which had a few thousand members and a terrible brand. I don’t think the Soviets were buying a lot of subversion, laundered through Stanley Levison or no.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  316. Corn says:
    @Art Deco

    “See the reaction to Sarah Palin 10 years ago; Palin has an idiosyncratic way of speaking that sounds quite down home.”

    The woman was a college graduate and state governor but some in the media all but wanted to treat her as retarded due to her accent.

  317. @Art Deco

    I don’t think the Soviets were buying a lot of subversion, laundered through Stanley Levison or no.

    Again, were this so, a paucity of financial support from them would have made it even more to King’s political advantage to disassociate himself from the communists surrounding him. He did not. The best explanation for his failure to do so is contained in the FBI “Current Analysis”:

    The reason King enjoyed this close relationship with communists is best explained by the fact that Levison, in February 1962, passed the word to Gus Hall, General Secretary, CPUSA, “King is a whole-hearted Marxist who has studied it (Marxism), believes in it and agrees with it, but because of his being a minister of religion, does not dare to espouse it publicly.” Further, in March, 1962, Levison told a CPUSA functionary that King was concerned about a “communist label” being “pinned on us” but that, at the same time, he wanted to do everything possible to evidence friendship toward the Soviet Union. In addition, King’s been described within the CPUSA as a true, genuine Marxist-Leninist “from the top of his head to the tips of his toes.”

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  318. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    I wish. It’s pretty insulting and we were completely shocked to hear about it.

    Is it really that insulting? It’s just an expression of ethnic separatism, which is inherent in any ethnic identity.

    One group has to be in one place in the bus. The other group has to be in another.

  319. @Jonathan Mason

    What was someone like you doing working in a U.S. prison? You seem far too highly educated and high-toned to be in a milieu like that.

  320. What was someone like you doing working in a U.S. prison? You seem far too highly educated and high-toned to be in a milieu like that

    .

    Prisons have doctors, psychologists, teachers, health administrators, facilities management, case workers, etc. I enjoyed working in a prison. Not really much different from working in a high school, or community college.

  321. snorlax says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The party of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison was known as the Republican Party; it’s now referred to as the Democratic-Republican Party to differentiate it from the later party (which was named for the earlier one).

  322. snorlax says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    1976 (when John Brennan voted for him!)

    And James Comey!

  323. MEH 0910 says:

  324. @Crawfurdmuir

    Doesn’t that suggest that MLK was a true believer (or nearly so) rather than that he sold himself o the CPUSA or Soviets?

  325. My view is not that King “sold himself” to the CPUSA or the Soviets – he was more a true believer than a mercenary – but rather that he still needed money for the furtherance of his activities, and was happy to accept it from Communists domestic and foreign. And they had to have been pleased to provide it, for the movement that King led was profoundly disruptive of the domestic U.S. political order. Disruption and destabilization were key Soviet goals; King successfully delivered them.

    It has been amusing, in a bitter sort of way, to see all the Democrats and left-wing editorialists near apoplexy over alleged Russian interference in U.S. politics during and since the 2016 election, when over almost the entire period that the Soviet Union existed, anyone who suggested that there was even a hint of Bolshevist influence in American politics was dismissed by these selfsame people as a crank or a McCarthyite demagogue. Again, the governing principle was and is nothing more than Lenin’s “who? whom?”

  326. @Buffalo Joe

    other than militant activists

    There aren’t many (now). The LARP is that this time they mean business so they’re all militant activists. Which conveniently allows them to ignore ethical and professional standards with impunity.

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