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Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name removed from award over racism concerns

Tanya Edwards
Yahoo Lifestyle June 24, 2018

 
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  1. syonredux says:

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.

    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher…..

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..

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    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..
     
    Both Ty Cobb and Jackie Robinson were detested by infielders for using their feet and cleats as advance weapons. But one's practice is exaggerated, and the other's quietly ignored.
    , @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks are* always kosher…..

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”

     

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..


    *Corrected a typo
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..

     

    That is so well-stated. It's what the study of literature should be all about, right?
    , @David
    The first winner of the newly titled award is a book called, "brown girl dreaming."
    , @ChrisZ
    Great analysis, Syon. To be honest, I mistook it for our host’s original post.

    We have reached the point on this blog where Steve can merely post a headline and link, and the commenters crowdsource the Sailerian deconstruction. It’s a credit to the education in “noticing” that people have received here over the years.

    Enrollment in this school needs to be increased.
    , @Corvinus
    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.
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  2. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    “inclusiveness, integrity and respect.” Wilder’s books, it stated, “reflect racist and anti-Native sentiments and are not universally embraced.”

    But it was the Indians who were ‘racist nativists’ who didn’t want to ‘include’ whites and resisted and put up a fight against Manifest Destiny.

    Kids grow up to gangster rap, slut culture, violent videogames, sicko horror movies, and easy access to porn. Libraries hang pics of Obama the War Criminal who destroyed Libya and Syria.

    But these cowards just dig up another old white person to piss on.

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  3. Dr. X says:

    From the article:

    Wilder was born in 1867 and died in 1957. Her most famous novel, Little House on the Prairie (1935), has inspired almost as much disapproval as devotion. The novel has racist elements, and its portrayal of Native Americans has had consequences when read uncritically in schools.

    Yeah, somebody who was actually alive when Indians were actually killing whites in the Wild West of the 19th century wouldn’t know anything about what Indians were really like…but the SJWs, neckbeards, and betas at the American Library Association in 2018 know she must’ve been a racist bigot.

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  4. …approached the Yellow Medicine East School District

    “Yellow medicine” is even more racist than “black magic”.

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  5. Authur?

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  6. Mishra says:

    This ‘erase for racism’ thing is turning out to be so convenient!

    We can eliminate every single trace of dem wypipos a’fore this is over.

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  7. Eugene Orowitz wet his bed well into his teen years. His nasty piece of work of a mother didn’t understand that this was a physical problem, and hung his dirty bed linen out to shame him. This may have been an impetus for him to produce and star in “Little House on the Prairie” under the name Michael Landon many years later.

    How ironic, then, that the bedwetters at ALSC hang their own stained linen out for us to see and smell.

    As for Laura, she just got twained. The literary equivalent of being borked.

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  8. rob says:

    Sailer or Unz or whoever,

    Comments don’t appear in safari browser on my iPad. They show up in chrome, but chrome sucks. The problem started last night maybe after midnight or so.

    PS

    How is “Unz” pronounced?

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    Firefox is available for Apple systems
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Un-Zee
    , @JimB
    Unz is the plural of Un.
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  9. @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..

    Both Ty Cobb and Jackie Robinson were detested by infielders for using their feet and cleats as advance weapons. But one’s practice is exaggerated, and the other’s quietly ignored.

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  10. CCZ says:

    We can probably see the genesis here: Junot Díaz [[The MIT POC professor whose “objectionable conduct described in the public reports does not have the kind of severity that animated the #MeToo movement” said his female defenders]].

    “To be a young immigrant is to survive an apocalypse.” Junot Díaz says, “there was a white world trying to destroy me.” Every day Díaz claims he was forced to endure “the utter, awful onslaught of it.”

    Despite the “onslaught,” it seems Junot did somehow learn how to read in the New Jersey school system. Yet in the end, this seemed to make things worse. Junot realized around seventh grade that the books he read “didn’t help me at all. They were super-white.”

    It turned out that books weren’t an escape or solution to the “white supremacist onslaught”—books were the problem. … What’s more, the authors of those books were part of a white supremacist racist system. They were, in their way, white supremacist racists themselves. J.R.R. Tolkien. Richard Adams. Laura Ingalls Wilder.

    “…the super-white books I was reading were, too. … From Laura Ingalls Wilder writing ‘there were no people, only Indians’ to Tolkien comparing black men to trolls, and Richard Adams talking about ‘primitive people’ all through ‘Watership Down,’ it was there.

    “The relentless underlying whiteness was devouring me. The utter erasure.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/01/pulitzer-prize-winner-claims-super-white-childrens-books-ruined-youth/

    I guess he doesn’t read Lizzie Wade about a real apocalypse.

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    The immense emotional labor of reading Tolkien.

    it was there
     
    It's the Matrix.

    Well, he COULD have gone for Math. It's supposed to be colorblind although these Lagrangians look suspiciously supremacist.
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  11. Here’s what Mark Twain thought about the “Red Man.”

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.

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    Watch from 0:14 -0:18. 4 Seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_duXph2go
    , @syonredux
    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance.....Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned.....
    , @AndrewR
    I'm not sure exactly where his impressions came from but sentiments like his weren't uncommon in his era. As much as I dislike reading such a sweeping, hate-filled rant against an entire group of people (or, in this case, supergroup), I'm sure there was more than a kernel of truth in what he wrote, and reading what he wrote is less unpleasant to me than the more recent and widespread idea that American Indians were all innocent, peaceful victims of white colonizers and settlers. We know where that conclusion leads.
    , @RVBlake
    I do not believe this perfidy. I've seen both "Dances With Wolves" and "Little Big Man" several times.
    , @peterike

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     
    That sounds just like a Dot Indian too!
    , @roo_ster
    "Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue."

    That is delicious.

    I might have to re-think Mark Twain.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I had two American Indian ancestors named John Walker. Both were assassinated for their role in the treaty which removed Indians from the SE to Oklahoma.

    http://www.tngenweb.org/mcminn/Chief-Jack.htm

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walker-10677

    People named John Walker should be careful talking about Indians :-)
    , @BB753
    Mark Twain though was quite fond of Blacks. Not that it has made his legacy any less "complex".
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    This reminds me of Little Big Man, a great novel that portrays natives in a way that rings if truth: smelly, stubborn, gossipy. Great book.
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  12. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    Watch from 0:14 -0:18. 4 Seconds.

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    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    That's pretty offensive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJebBY-Yk0

    What about "Christmas Story"?

    The movie had an all-white cast and offensive Chinese singing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE154vtGZms

    What would China's President Xi Jinping say if he saw this?

    Trump imitated an Asian accent. Watch video below from 1:00-1:10.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-L3uLGjcP4

    Watch video below from 0:14-0:18.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs
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  13. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Have the books been Bowdlerized like the Hardy Boys series?

    You can get away with that with junk literature, but can they do that with true classics?

    There’s a deniggered version of Hickleberry Finn that came out in 2011, apparently motivated by teachers who wanted to teach it but were finding it harder and harder. In such a case, with such a famous book, censoring it might make the whole thing issue more prominent rather than sweeping it under the rug. Especially if they make the edits obvious, such as with “[redacted]” or “[n-word deleted]“, rather than by silently replacing with an anodyne synonym.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/05/huckleberry-finn-edition-censors-n-word

    https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/books/07huck.html

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  14. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
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    Ron, a bug, this comment is showing to me as "Your comment is awaiting moderation," when in fact I didn't write it. Another comment above that I did write also has that message.
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  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    Watch from 0:14 -0:18. 4 Seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_duXph2go

    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    That’s pretty offensive.

    What about “Christmas Story”?

    The movie had an all-white cast and offensive Chinese singing.

    What would China’s President Xi Jinping say if he saw this?

    Trump imitated an Asian accent. Watch video below from 1:00-1:10.

    Watch video below from 0:14-0:18.

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    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?
     
    Michael Landon sets the record straight about Hop Sing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM
    , @Almost Missouri

    "What about..."
     
    Don't worry, they'll get around to it.

    The ultimate goal is to destroy all white culture and prevent all white expression.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Reminds me of the joke about the Chinese waiter that ends with the punchline: "It's pronounced `fried rice´ you flickin letard!"
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  16. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:

    She got nicked over anti anti Communism, so nothing new here.

    Little Libertarians on the prairie
    Was Laura Ingalls Wilder’s beloved children’s series written as an anti-New Deal fable? The Wilder family papers suggest yes.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/08/09/little-libertarians-prairie-little-libertarians-prairie/DrtramwsrcrdTTIFvdzkOO/story.html

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  17. Whiskey says: • Website

    Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution. Destroying the Four Olds one historical personage or celebrity at a time.

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  18. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.

    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks are* always kosher…..

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..

    *Corrected a typo

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  19. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n12/david-thomson/diary

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/was-a-renowned-literary/243719

    Ron, a bug, this comment is showing to me as “Your comment is awaiting moderation,” when in fact I didn’t write it. Another comment above that I did write also has that message.

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  20. syonredux says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned…..

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    That could describe most human groups and individuals...
    , @Colin Wright
    'The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned…..'

    This is still true. Go to any area of the West with a lot of Indians.
    , @Colin Wright
    'The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned…..'

    This is still true. Go to any area of the West with a lot of Indians.
    , @Twinkie

    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..
     
    Also depends on what kind of "Amerinds."

    In any case, this is truly sad. I loved Laura Ingalls Wilder's books (in translation) while growing up in East Asia and also enjoyed the TV series immensely. So they were some of the first "feature-length" novels I read to my children when they were little and later they were all delighted to read these books and watch the TV series on their own (even before they were assigned a couple of the volumes from their Catholic homeschooling curriculum).

    My kids used to put on their own plays about being American pioneers with ideas largely drawn from the "Little House on the Prairie" books.
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  21. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    I’m not sure exactly where his impressions came from but sentiments like his weren’t uncommon in his era. As much as I dislike reading such a sweeping, hate-filled rant against an entire group of people (or, in this case, supergroup), I’m sure there was more than a kernel of truth in what he wrote, and reading what he wrote is less unpleasant to me than the more recent and widespread idea that American Indians were all innocent, peaceful victims of white colonizers and settlers. We know where that conclusion leads.

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  22. You could never make an episode like this these days.

    Watch from 0:08-0:18. 10 seconds.

    Happy Days had Pat Morita do a Chinese accent. In addition to that, it portrayed Italian-American men (such as “The Fonz”) as overly interested in picking up women.

    Were the 1950s really “Happy Days”?

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    Were the 1950s really “Happy Days”?
     
    Happy Days was the 1970s version of the 1950s.
    , @roo_ster
    "...it portrayed Italian-American men (such as “The Fonz”) as overly interested in picking up women."

    Character played by a jewish actor. Cultural appropriation, anyone? Was there no italian actor willing to play an itlaian role? For shame!
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Anthony Cumia has a humorous running bit about "Tolerant Fonzie". I think it's funny, but not as funny as Andrew Dice Gay, though.He also does a hilarious "Evil Brian Regan".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj_e_N0p7L4&t=205s

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    An interesting fact about Pat Morita was that he was very good friends with Redd Foxx and basically owed his entire career to him. And in interviews, Morita does a pretty funny Redd Foxx impression.
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  23. Anon[156] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Tranny New Zealand prime minister “gives birth.” She’s really doubling down on this charade.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/zealand-prime-minister-announces-babys-224002260.html

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  24. AndrewR says:
    @syonredux
    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance.....Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned.....

    That could describe most human groups and individuals…

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  25. @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…..

    That is so well-stated. It’s what the study of literature should be all about, right?

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  26. @syonredux
    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance.....Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned.....

    ‘The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned…..’

    This is still true. Go to any area of the West with a lot of Indians.

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  27. @syonredux
    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance.....Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned.....

    ‘The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned…..’

    This is still true. Go to any area of the West with a lot of Indians.

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  28. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Authur’?

    Authur Scargill, presumably.

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  29. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    That's pretty offensive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJebBY-Yk0

    What about "Christmas Story"?

    The movie had an all-white cast and offensive Chinese singing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE154vtGZms

    What would China's President Xi Jinping say if he saw this?

    Trump imitated an Asian accent. Watch video below from 1:00-1:10.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-L3uLGjcP4

    Watch video below from 0:14-0:18.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs

    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    Michael Landon sets the record straight about Hop Sing:

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  30. Wait till they hear that Jane Austen wrote her books supported by the income from her family’s slave plantations in the West Indies. Actually feminists found this out 25 years ago when Edward Said drew attention to it (the only worthwile thing he ever did).

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn’t register with the illiterate young anyway. ‘Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!’

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    A lot of Americans are descendants from people who supported themselves on their slaves' labor. Even more Americans are descended from people who supported themselves on the labor of white indentured workers who were not free to walk away. Many Americans are descended from people who kept serfs in bondage in old Europe.

    In the long run, it doesn't matter what your ancestors did. Everyone has slave owners in their background when you go back far enough, even blacks in Africa.
    , @Anon
    Edward Said was totally wrong about the Austen’s owning or having anything to do with slave plantations in Antigua or any other Caribbean island.

    After the father died the entire Austen family was supported by the earnings of 5 of the sons as bankers and navy officers.

    Most of the family’s support came from the
    6 th son. I think it was Edward He was adopted by the very wealthy Knight family. The couple had no children so Edward was the heir. Edward helped set up his brothers in business and get promotions in the Navy.
    Jane her sister and mother lived rent free in a house on Edward’s grand estate.

    One book, Mansfield Park was about the very wealthy Bertram family of Mansfield Park. Some of their money came from their Mansfield Park estate in England. They did own a business in Antigua. The book did not claim the business was a plantation, just called it business affairs in Antigua.

    Mansfield Park is based on Cinderella, King Lear and Penelope’s problems keeping the kingdom together while Ulysses was sailing around taking 10 years to get home from the Trojan war.

    The father of the Mansfield Park family, Sir Thomas Bertram had to travel to Antigua for 2 years because of the war of 1812. It was a plot device to get the stern father away so the young people could get in trouble while he was gone.

    10 years later the Napoleobic wars were over and fictional stern English fathers could go to the continent as a plot device.


    Edward Said or any idiot intellectual who claimed the Austen’s had any connection to Caribbean plantations is just plain wrong, like virtually every college professor and liberal intellectual since 1950.
    , @Dissident

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn’t register with the illiterate young anyway. ‘Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!’
     
    I wonder how many of the younger generation, upon hearing the title Pride and Prejudice, assume it must be The story of one man's heroic struggle against homophobic bigotry or something like that.

    Incidentally (and in the final days of "Pride Month", no less), would anyone happen to know what the story is with the Gay Patriot web site?

    The site bills itself as, "the internet home for American gay conservatives". A post on the homepage dated May 20th informs the visitor that "This blog is no longer active."

    Thankfully, the archives are still available for viewing, as I found some worthwhile and even surprisingly instructive content-- content that one should be able to appreciate and value regardless of one's sexual orientation, practices, affiliations or identity.

    Two examples:
    1.) http://www.gaypatriot.net/2018/05/08/the-intellectual-dark-web/
    Not only is our host, Mr. Steven Sailer, positively mentioned in the comments but the post itself seems very much in the iSteve style, especially the ending quip:
    "Right. Can’t have the left-wing’s trendy social causes debunked by actual science."

    2.) http://www.gaypatriot.net/2018/05/03/his-own-business/
    concerns a survivor of the Pulse Nightclub massacre of 2016 who, in his own words, "made a conscious choice to leave homosexuality". About this, the author of the blog post says,

    I can’t say for sure that he has really been changed, and you can’t say for sure that he hasn’t. But the point ought to be, he has made a free choice, for himself, and he isn’t harming anyone else by living as he has chosen to live. His choice ought to be respected.
     
    Excerpts from two of the comments:

    I accept homosexuality as “normal” among a small percentage of humans. But I don’t accept everything which homosexuals dream up as “normal” and healthy in the public square. Ironically, that means that some flamboyant homosexuals believe I need conversion therapy. What a world.
     
    - "Heliotrope"

    [...]the heart of the error is turning what should be an adjective (gay, straight, etc.) into a noun.
    [...]
    What he should find support from all quarters is that he’s determined to center his identity around someone (something) other than his sexuality. That’s what matters.
     
    - "civil truth"

    [...]I can honestly say that giving up the idea that I could be with another man and live a normal life has been very freeing. I have not been converted to being straight, nor do I think I could be. But I HAVE chosen to be single and non-sexual, and that choice has made me more content then ever before.
     
    - Tadford
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  31. Pericles says:

    “About the Award. The Award will henceforth be known as the Negro Medal. Twerk twerk.”

    http://www.ala.org/alsc/awardsgrants/bookmedia/wildermedal/wilderabout

    Laura Ingalls Wilder Award Committee – 2018

    Committee Members

    Rita Auerbach, Chair
    Viki Ash
    Susan Faust
    Laura Koenig
    Merri Lindgren

    Don’t worry, whitey. They still retain the Batchelder, Geisel and Sibert medals.

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  32. 22pp22 says:

    I am reading Toby Green’s history of the Spanish Inquisition. The following section describes the PC attitude perfectly.

    Rodrigo de Manrique, the son of Inquisitor-General Alonso Manrique, who was sidelined during those years, described the situation eloquently in a letter to Joan Lluis-Vives in 1533 after the arrest of the well-regarded humanist Juan de Vergara.

    When I consider the distinction of his spirit, his superior erudition and (what I value most) his irreproachable conduct, I feel great sadness that some great wrong may be done to this excellent man. Thinking of the intervention of those who have laid impudent calumnies at his door, I tremble at the thought that he may have fallen into the hands of men lacking in dignity and culture, who hate men of value and who think they are doing a good and pious work in making wise men disappear for the sake of just one word, or because of joke.

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  33. Twinkie says:
    @syonredux
    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance.....Close-up encounters tended to leave people disillusioned.....

    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..

    Also depends on what kind of “Amerinds.”

    In any case, this is truly sad. I loved Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books (in translation) while growing up in East Asia and also enjoyed the TV series immensely. So they were some of the first “feature-length” novels I read to my children when they were little and later they were all delighted to read these books and watch the TV series on their own (even before they were assigned a couple of the volumes from their Catholic homeschooling curriculum).

    My kids used to put on their own plays about being American pioneers with ideas largely drawn from the “Little House on the Prairie” books.

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    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn't mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson's deeds aren't transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder's recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family's lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura's mother doesn't like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura's mother's village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that's it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award's namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. "Racism concerns" indeed.

    , @Anon
    Couldn't agree more, and I grew up in Mexico. My eldest fell in love with the books and read them cover to cover, and all of them loved the TV version. You could actually gauge the series' effect as formative, for they would be more even-tempered, helpful and thoughtful after binge-watching.

    One suspects it is the ideas about a moral upbringing and the net good represented by an intact family that 'they' find so deeply offensive.

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  34. Twinkie says:

    And Then They Came for … Laura Ingalls Wilder, Authur of “Little House on the Prairie?”

    Spell-check, please!

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  35. CCZ says:

    Not too far OT:

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  36. Rosie says:

    “Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed—not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.”

    -(((Noel Ignatiev)))

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    Great quote. And here is Harvard magazine repeating that in what seems to me a laudatory fashion: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html
    Making clear this is not an unacceptable fringe view.

    The comments are fun. I wonder how long it took for them to shut down comments.

    A telling bit about his history from Wikipedia: "Under the name Noel Ignatin, he joined the Communist Party USA in January 1958, but in August left (along with Theodore W. Allen and Harry Haywood) to help form the Provisional Organizing Committee to Reconstitute the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party (POC). He was expelled from the POC in 1966.[5]"
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  37. Clyde says:

    Here is a comment from the above Yahoo source:

    from: Wordsworth
    12 hours ago
    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell, 1984

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  38. David says:
    @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    The first winner of the newly titled award is a book called, “brown girl dreaming.”

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  39. @JohnnyWalker123
    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    That's pretty offensive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJebBY-Yk0

    What about "Christmas Story"?

    The movie had an all-white cast and offensive Chinese singing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE154vtGZms

    What would China's President Xi Jinping say if he saw this?

    Trump imitated an Asian accent. Watch video below from 1:00-1:10.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-L3uLGjcP4

    Watch video below from 0:14-0:18.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs

    “What about…”

    Don’t worry, they’ll get around to it.

    The ultimate goal is to destroy all white culture and prevent all white expression.

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  40. @JohnnyWalker123
    You could never make an episode like this these days.

    Watch from 0:08-0:18. 10 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAElCNEc8I

    Happy Days had Pat Morita do a Chinese accent. In addition to that, it portrayed Italian-American men (such as "The Fonz") as overly interested in picking up women.

    Were the 1950s really "Happy Days"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6y7YhHdVE

    Were the 1950s really “Happy Days”?

    Happy Days was the 1970s version of the 1950s.

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  41. JackOH says:

    So if Laura Ingalls Wilder, Mark Twain, Joel Chandler Harris, and on, were writing today, they wouldn’t be writing today, is that it? Or, if they were writing today, they’d have to bowdlerize their own thought and become something other than who they are? Or, if they stuck to their intellectual and moral guns, they’d be confined to samizdat? Perhaps the thoughts and expression of White folks really don’t have legitimacy at all, is that it? How can a nation have a canonical literature when those who contribute to it are subject to unpersoning?

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  42. Jake says:

    Paulette Hervey, the FemiNazi version of Paul Harevy and married into one branch of the Neocon journalism empire, told The Rest of the Story on radio many years ago. She said that while living in Missouri, amongst the inbred hillbilly trash of the Ozarks, the Wilders met the son of the outlaw Josie Wales, who had returned to his father’a ancestral state in order to terrorize Numinous Negroes and other peoples who are born morally, culturally, and, especially, spiritually superior to the vast majority of whites who are Good White Elites. That led the Wilders to join the KKK, the America First Committee, and, as Honorary members, the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy, where they were trained in mental terrorism via stealth. Through their daughter Rose, the Wilders are responsible for the libertarian part of the racist, sexist, antigay ‘conservative’ opposition to the selflessly brilliant insights of perfectly disinterested and fair anti-racist Neocons.

    The fact that tens of millions of children have been led toward racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, transphobia, speciesism, and Islamophobia by The Little House books is all the proof needed to ban those books.

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  43. @JohnnyWalker123
    What about Hop Sing from Bonanza?

    That's pretty offensive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJebBY-Yk0

    What about "Christmas Story"?

    The movie had an all-white cast and offensive Chinese singing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE154vtGZms

    What would China's President Xi Jinping say if he saw this?

    Trump imitated an Asian accent. Watch video below from 1:00-1:10.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-L3uLGjcP4

    Watch video below from 0:14-0:18.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zk31iNtHs

    Reminds me of the joke about the Chinese waiter that ends with the punchline: “It’s pronounced `fried rice´ you flickin letard!”

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    My dear Peter Akuleyev, it seems you heard a sanitized version of the Irishman-Chinaman joke, whose actual punch line is: "No! Is 'fr-rrried r-rrrice,' you Ilish plick!"

    With your comment No. 20 in which you compared the children's market pop culture content of your (and my) youth with today's children's market pop culture content, my dear Peter Akuleyev, I concur.

    As far as the literary wing of the Talifa go, they may as well contrive to change the title of Wilder's work to "Spittle-Flecked Louse on the Prairie."

    Yes, "Talifa," which is my freshly minted neologism deserved by the so-called "Progressives" and their "antifa" Brownshirts.
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  44. bomag says:

    the vote “was greeted by a standing ovation by the audience in attendance”

    Who was in charge of ringing the bell to tell them all to stop?

    Absolutely creepy: a negative celebration; bashing a past literary figure for not having current sensibilities; and the glee with which it was done.

    These are the sensibilities one gets under a dictatorship. I recall an account of Baath party meetings under Saddam Hussein; those in attendance would shout hosannas, telling Hussein he had not gone far enough; he needed to be more brutal; he needed more purges…

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  45. @Twinkie

    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..
     
    Also depends on what kind of "Amerinds."

    In any case, this is truly sad. I loved Laura Ingalls Wilder's books (in translation) while growing up in East Asia and also enjoyed the TV series immensely. So they were some of the first "feature-length" novels I read to my children when they were little and later they were all delighted to read these books and watch the TV series on their own (even before they were assigned a couple of the volumes from their Catholic homeschooling curriculum).

    My kids used to put on their own plays about being American pioneers with ideas largely drawn from the "Little House on the Prairie" books.

    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn’t mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson’s deeds aren’t transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder’s recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family’s lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura’s mother doesn’t like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura’s mother’s village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that’s it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award’s namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. “Racism concerns” indeed.

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    When they settle in Kansas some Indians come to visit while her father is gone. They are dressed only in smelly animal loinclothes. They are also covered in some gross smelling animal oil or fat. Laura’s mother feeds them and they leave but she is clearly terrified and they
    leave an awful Oder of death behind.

    In another book Almanzo describes himself as being “born free and white.” He also describes his first name as being passed down in his family from the Crusades. It’s an anglicized form of an Arabic named continued in honor of an Arab who saved his ancestor’s life.

    , @Barnard
    The standing ovation is the most disturbing part of the story. This sounds Stalinesque, but there isn't any one person in the Stalin role that everyone needs to fear. What will be the catalyst for this crazy behavior to stop?
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I believe in the novel The Long Winter, an Indian is depicted as forecasting the winter in De Smet, South Dakota as a particularly difficult one before it occurs. But it was always clear that Caroline Ingalls did not like Indians.
    , @Savage Indifference
    My recollection is that the father, though feckless, is the star and moral center of the books, and he remonstrates with the mother when she says "the only good Indian is a dead Indian." But possibly I silently inserted his remonstrance when I was reading it as a child, based on his presentation as kind and tolerant and open-hearted. Even if he uttered something to the effect of "Now, Caroline, they are people, they are not all bad" - that would be more than enough to convict him too in the current climate.

    The result is that the canon will be scrubbed of evidence that some white women feared Indians - which evidence, it seems to me, you would want to leave in the literature, whether your goal is understanding the period or even just shaming the settlers and expressing sympathy for the Indians.

    The real problem is the subject matter, settlers, but, absurdly, had the books been less realistic, presenting the Ingallses as advanced models of virtue and self-loathing, they might actually have been given a pass.

    But: anyone passing judgment on Laura Ingalls Wilder while typing on a laptop with a chai latte at hand - well, read "The Long Winter" and tell me the idea isn't obscene.

    It is like Solzhenitsyn for tykes.
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  46. OT: I just finished re-reading Philip Roth’s 1973 novel called The Great American Novel, and again, I recommend it. It’s all about a fictitious third baseball league, called the Patriot League. Baseball fans should love it. I’m not a baseball fan, but I love it because it’s funny from start to finish, in the anything-goes 1970s style typified by National Lampoon. There’s something to offend everybody, even Babylonians. A Babylonian kid complains to his father that the other kids throw rocks at him and call him a “dirty bab”. The father blows his top, in his Babylonian accent: “Don’t again to let you them call bab on my boy—underneath? Ever!”. (Don’t you know Babylonians say “underneath” for “understand”?)

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  47. Well then, she gets to join the elite company of a fellow author who also had his name removed from a literary award for being a “racist” – H.P. Lovecraft.

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  48. It’s funny, I loved the Little House books when I was a kid. My kid’s have no interest in them. Not because they are PC, (in fact the “racist” tag might inspire a little more interest), but I get the feeling they feel very little connection to America’s pioneer period. Their childhood pop culture world has been heavily superheroes, modern action movies and sci-fi. My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. I am sure that diet inspired a deeper connection to America than the escapist gruel kids get today.

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    Your observations are in line with Coulter’s rejoinder to assertions that we are a nation of immigrants: no, we are a nation of pioneers and settlers.

    Our elites have replaced the covered wagon with Lazarus’ poem as our nation icon and myth. “The Gangs of New York” and “Godfather II” still get a lot of air play; “How the West Was Won” not so much.
    , @Ibound1
    Completely agree. Saw it with my own kids. The schools don’t emphasize our history any longer or worse, they denigrate our history. Something was broken in the last 25 years. That’s why you have statues torn down, schools renamed, books banned and commentators openly prefering immigrants to Americans. Without a history we are nothing people presently living in a geography. And if some other people are living in this geography? who cares? Everyone can watch a comic book movie and eat at McDonalds.
    , @Cloudswrest

    My kid’s have no interest in them.
     
    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were "boring".
    , @Almost Missouri
    My mother's schoolteachers tried to get her interested in Laura Ingalls Wilder, but her Ellis Island family was escaping the Old World land for the jobs in the New World city, not looking for ways to get back to the land, so she took no interest. She passed this disdain on to me (though I recall girls at my school reading them--including the Muslima daughter of some Pakistani muckitymuck(!)).

    As an adult, I picked up a dogeared copy while working a stint on a farm. Devoured it in one sitting. Picked up another. Same result. Soon I had tracked down and read all of them. I passed them on to my offspring and the story is hallowed in our family.

    The link, once broken, is reforged.
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  49. RVBlake says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    I do not believe this perfidy. I’ve seen both “Dances With Wolves” and “Little Big Man” several times.

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  50. Thea says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn't mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson's deeds aren't transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder's recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family's lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura's mother doesn't like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura's mother's village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that's it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award's namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. "Racism concerns" indeed.

    When they settle in Kansas some Indians come to visit while her father is gone. They are dressed only in smelly animal loinclothes. They are also covered in some gross smelling animal oil or fat. Laura’s mother feeds them and they leave but she is clearly terrified and they
    leave an awful Oder of death behind.

    In another book Almanzo describes himself as being “born free and white.” He also describes his first name as being passed down in his family from the Crusades. It’s an anglicized form of an Arabic named continued in honor of an Arab who saved his ancestor’s life.

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    You're right, I had forgotten about Almanzo's Arab namesake. Even so, the story of Al Mansur is the story of two warrior opponents clasping hands in honor and friendship. There is nothing demeaning or racialist in it. If that is the "racism concern" of these people, they are out of their minds.
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  51. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    Great analysis, Syon. To be honest, I mistook it for our host’s original post.

    We have reached the point on this blog where Steve can merely post a headline and link, and the commenters crowdsource the Sailerian deconstruction. It’s a credit to the education in “noticing” that people have received here over the years.

    Enrollment in this school needs to be increased.

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  52. FPD72 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    It's funny, I loved the Little House books when I was a kid. My kid's have no interest in them. Not because they are PC, (in fact the "racist" tag might inspire a little more interest), but I get the feeling they feel very little connection to America's pioneer period. Their childhood pop culture world has been heavily superheroes, modern action movies and sci-fi. My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. I am sure that diet inspired a deeper connection to America than the escapist gruel kids get today.

    Your observations are in line with Coulter’s rejoinder to assertions that we are a nation of immigrants: no, we are a nation of pioneers and settlers.

    Our elites have replaced the covered wagon with Lazarus’ poem as our nation icon and myth. “The Gangs of New York” and “Godfather II” still get a lot of air play; “How the West Was Won” not so much.

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  53. Tiny Duck says:

    Good riddance to bad rubbish

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    (a) do so many non-whites continue to voluntarily leave their countries of birth in order to flock to majority-white nations?
    and
    (b) so few non-whites voluntarily leave majority white nations for non-white ones?
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  54. ChrisZ says:

    The fringers tasted power 10 years (!) ago, and are thoroughly intoxicated by it. So of course they’re lashing out like spastic bullies, picking fights with the innocuous, the defenseless, and even sheer apparitions, just to “prove” who’s the boss and who’s not.

    Going after Wilder and “Little House” in this way seems like a real nadir in their hysteria: the equivalent of the Left’s own mythologized portrayal of a drunken Sen. McCarthy throwing the charge of “commie” on anyone who looked at him cross-eyed.

    In this version, though, the cultural elites have yet to summon the fortitude to deliver a “Have you no decency, sir?” moment. Will such a rebuke of the fringers from the establishment Left ever materialize?

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  55. George says:

    I’m thinking it’s time for Little Townhouse in the City. Or maybe an Israeli version.

    What’s come of the Ingalls’ heritage:
    Ride the lawn

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  56. Barnard says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn't mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson's deeds aren't transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder's recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family's lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura's mother doesn't like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura's mother's village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that's it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award's namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. "Racism concerns" indeed.

    The standing ovation is the most disturbing part of the story. This sounds Stalinesque, but there isn’t any one person in the Stalin role that everyone needs to fear. What will be the catalyst for this crazy behavior to stop?

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    There aren’t even any gulags awaiting them, just social exclusion from loser SJWs. Embarrassing !
    , @Anon
    Yes, the standing ovation bit got to me too. Pretty dark clouds in the horizon, I'm afraid.
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  57. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    Wilder is best known for her beloved Little House on the Prairie novels, which the ALSC has stated “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values” based on Wilder’s portrayal of black people and Native Americans.
     
    But stereotypical portrayals of racist Southern rednecks is always kosher.....

    The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC, which is based in Chicago, says her work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”
     
    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced.....

    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.

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    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.
     
    No, it is not unbelievable, you twit. The American Library Association is a liberal SJW group, probably mostly run by women. They probably believe and espouse most everything that you do. This is your world view at work. So get used to it.
    , @David In TN
    It was 100 % believable "for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure."
    , @MBlanc46
    Are they succumbing to the Coalition of the Fringes, or are they a part of the Coalition of the Fringes?
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  58. @Almost Missouri
    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn't mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson's deeds aren't transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder's recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family's lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura's mother doesn't like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura's mother's village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that's it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award's namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. "Racism concerns" indeed.

    I believe in the novel The Long Winter, an Indian is depicted as forecasting the winter in De Smet, South Dakota as a particularly difficult one before it occurs. But it was always clear that Caroline Ingalls did not like Indians.

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  59. Ibound1 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    It's funny, I loved the Little House books when I was a kid. My kid's have no interest in them. Not because they are PC, (in fact the "racist" tag might inspire a little more interest), but I get the feeling they feel very little connection to America's pioneer period. Their childhood pop culture world has been heavily superheroes, modern action movies and sci-fi. My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. I am sure that diet inspired a deeper connection to America than the escapist gruel kids get today.

    Completely agree. Saw it with my own kids. The schools don’t emphasize our history any longer or worse, they denigrate our history. Something was broken in the last 25 years. That’s why you have statues torn down, schools renamed, books banned and commentators openly prefering immigrants to Americans. Without a history we are nothing people presently living in a geography. And if some other people are living in this geography? who cares? Everyone can watch a comic book movie and eat at McDonalds.

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  60. OFF TOPIC

    Buy The Dip

    Borrow Money And Pour It Into The Stock Market

    Liquidity Is Your Friend

    Dow 40,ooo Is On The Way

    Do A Leaping Cannonball Into The Liquidity

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  61. peterike says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.

    That sounds just like a Dot Indian too!

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  62. Authur, authur.

    I’m just waiting for them to come for Truman Capote, not because of Mr. Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany’s (in the book he is portrayed with honest respect) but for the scene near the middle-end of the novella where this happens:

    “For all at once, like savage members of a jungle ambush, a band of Negro boys
    leapt out of the shrubbery along the path. Hooting, cursing, they launched rocks and
    thrashed at the horse’s rumps with switches.”

    There’s zero question that a story like this would never be published today. The question is, how long can it escape the notice of the modern Inquisitor’s eye?

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  63. roo_ster says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    “Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue.”

    That is delicious.

    I might have to re-think Mark Twain.

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    I read a history of the Comanches by T. R. Fehrenbach . He describes one incident where a raiding party had made off with some captives . A rescue party gave chase and finally caught up with them and surrounded them on a hill top at dusk . They decided to wait until daylight to attack . The Indians knowing they would die in the morning spent the night raping and torturing their captives .
    They were savages what can you say ? They put up a better fight to save their land and way of life than we are .
    The book was published in the 70's so there has been some criticism of it more recently for inaccuracies . It's still a good read .
    A more recent book by a Finn , Pekka Hamalainen , "The Comanche Empire" is probably better and gives the lie to any Mexican claims to the Southwest . The Comanches drove the Mexicans and the Apaches out of Texas and and used the New Mexico and northern Mexican settlements as a source of slaves , livestock and tribute .
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  64. res says:
    @Rosie
    "Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed—not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."

    -(((Noel Ignatiev)))

    Great quote. And here is Harvard magazine repeating that in what seems to me a laudatory fashion: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html
    Making clear this is not an unacceptable fringe view.

    The comments are fun. I wonder how long it took for them to shut down comments.

    A telling bit about his history from Wikipedia: “Under the name Noel Ignatin, he joined the Communist Party USA in January 1958, but in August left (along with Theodore W. Allen and Harry Haywood) to help form the Provisional Organizing Committee to Reconstitute the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party (POC). He was expelled from the POC in 1966.[5]“

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    It occurs to me that these people are happy to use White women's literary achievements, no doubt our greatest pride and joy, in order to fleece the sheep, but I guess they figure Mrs. Wilder is of no further use in that regard.

    I do take some comfort in this:

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/disneys-staggering-loss-on-fantasy-bomb-a-wrinkle-in-time/news-story/41cde2713e0575cbcea5217c6711353f


    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/ff/A_Wrinkle_In_Time_Character_Poster_02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171207033418
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  65. roo_ster says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    You could never make an episode like this these days.

    Watch from 0:08-0:18. 10 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAElCNEc8I

    Happy Days had Pat Morita do a Chinese accent. In addition to that, it portrayed Italian-American men (such as "The Fonz") as overly interested in picking up women.

    Were the 1950s really "Happy Days"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6y7YhHdVE

    “…it portrayed Italian-American men (such as “The Fonz”) as overly interested in picking up women.”

    Character played by a jewish actor. Cultural appropriation, anyone? Was there no italian actor willing to play an itlaian role? For shame!

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  66. benjaminl says:

    Off-topic:

    Today in vibrancy

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/06/21/us-white-population-declines-and-generation-z-plus-is-minority-white-census-shows/

    First, for the first time since the Census Bureau has released these annual statistics, they show an absolute decline in the nation’s white non-Hispanic population—accelerating a phenomenon that was not projected to occur until the next decade.

    Second, the new numbers show that for the first time there are more children who are minorities than who are white, at every age from zero to nine.

    Of course, there is variation in Gen Z-Plus’s racial profile across the country. Notably, they are now minority white in 15 states, including Hawaii, New Mexico, California, Texas, and Nevada, plus the District of Columbia. In each of the latter states, the population under age 10 is less than 35 percent white. At the other extreme, 17 states—largely in New England, the Midwest, and Mountain West—house Gen Z-Plus populations that are more than two-thirds white.

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  67. When is the next bikehate post?

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    Hopefully, never.
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  68. @Almost Missouri
    Having read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, to the best of my recollection, there are exactly two references to black people. One is to the kindly black doctor who helps the family after they contract malaria. Our modern witch finders might object to this because it breaks from their false narrative that blacks only ever lived in abject oppression in Amerikkka until Progs beneficently liberated them sometime last week. The other reference is not actually to black people as such but to a minstrel show some of the men put on one winter. The depiction isn't mean. The men put on black face to enhance their sense of joviality and good humor, not to condemn or injure blacks. The same behavior is elaborately justified, even in The Current Year, in Wikipedia for Al Jolson, for instance. Will the ALSC also condemn Al Jolson and Wikipedia? (Or maybe Jolson's deeds aren't transferable because he has Jewish privilege whereas the Methodist Mrs. Wilder's recollections do not?)

    There was more about Indians, mainly in two groups: first when the Ingalls move to Indian territory in Oklahoma, and second when they live in the Dakota Territory. In the Dakotas, Laura admires an Indian horseman riding bareback, and confounds her mother by weeping for a papoose after she sees an Indian girl with one she wishes she could have. The Oklahoma stories are more ambivalent, which is hardly surprising as the local Indians were debating making war on the settlers. So the Ingalls family's lives were in danger. Yet even then, the descriptions are factual and slightly awestruck, never vicious or stereotyped. About the worst thing I can remember in it is that it is mentioned that Laura's mother doesn't like Indians. And since, when a girl, Laura's mother's village was attacked in one of the many Indian massacres that we strangely never hear about anymore, her feelings are understandable even if you disagree.

    So that's it. Somewhere in there is something so terrible that the Award's namesake had to be ripped from her own award, to a standing ovation, apparently. "Racism concerns" indeed.

    My recollection is that the father, though feckless, is the star and moral center of the books, and he remonstrates with the mother when she says “the only good Indian is a dead Indian.” But possibly I silently inserted his remonstrance when I was reading it as a child, based on his presentation as kind and tolerant and open-hearted. Even if he uttered something to the effect of “Now, Caroline, they are people, they are not all bad” – that would be more than enough to convict him too in the current climate.

    The result is that the canon will be scrubbed of evidence that some white women feared Indians – which evidence, it seems to me, you would want to leave in the literature, whether your goal is understanding the period or even just shaming the settlers and expressing sympathy for the Indians.

    The real problem is the subject matter, settlers, but, absurdly, had the books been less realistic, presenting the Ingallses as advanced models of virtue and self-loathing, they might actually have been given a pass.

    But: anyone passing judgment on Laura Ingalls Wilder while typing on a laptop with a chai latte at hand – well, read “The Long Winter” and tell me the idea isn’t obscene.

    It is like Solzhenitsyn for tykes.

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  69. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.

    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.

    No, it is not unbelievable, you twit. The American Library Association is a liberal SJW group, probably mostly run by women. They probably believe and espouse most everything that you do. This is your world view at work. So get used to it.

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  70. Isn’t all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?

    If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity. Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn’t have moved there. However, if you repeatedly tell these groups’ children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites, they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren’t part of their tribe.

    Why would a high school that is now 50% Hispanic, 11% black, 14% Asian and only 24% white be named after a Confederate general? Hispanics and Asians have no connection to that past. Black kids sure don’t want the name.

    Civic nationalism will fail. Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended.

    But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us.

    In the end, these black, Hispanic, Asian and South Asian SJWs are right in one sense: U.S. history and literature is not their history and literature. Maybe if they lived in a different country, they could admire it because it wouldn’t threaten their position. But they don’t. They live here. And that means that each group must push for as much of the pie as possible. Tearing down the past helps in that cause by weakening white pride so it will continue.

    This game is only beginning. If whites want to protect their history and culture, they will have to do it on their own.

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    You are so right.
    Enough with shrugged shoulders and rueful head-shaking.
    Time instead to coolly weigh-up our chances and then do what it takes to end this threat to our very existence.
    And if ending their existence is what does the trick, then so be it.
    , @Corvinus
    "Isn’t all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?"

    No.

    "If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity."

    The decision was made by a division of the ALA, which consists of white people. They fell victim to the machinations of the Coalition of the Right and Left Fringe groups. While understandably this action is deplorable, in the overall scheme of things--a children's book award--it's something that will pass.

    "Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn’t have moved there."

    A powerful argument, indeed.

    "However, if you repeatedly tell these groups’ children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites..."

    Built on BOTH the prowess and exploitation of different groups of people, you mean to say. See, if one is going to be accurate and truthful here, one must provide the good AND the bad.

    "they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren’t part of their tribe."

    People who truly enjoy books, whether it be fiction or non-fiction, will revel in the author's regardless of their heritage.

    "Civic nationalism will fail."

    Highly doubtful.

    "Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended."

    Genetics is NOT the end all and be all for immigrants "getting on board" with a political and economic system. Remember, nativists in the 1850's were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a "lesser breed", as well as in the late 1800's of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were "of a lower class of people". Yet, the Irish, Germans, Italians, and Slavs through their hard work and determination (read: environmental factors) overcame nativist resentment. Remember, ethnic mixing in Europe was generally viewed as undesirable. In the United States, it eventually become "normal". Furthermore, it was not the "Anglo-Saxon" system, it was a system that incorporated Enlightenment ideals from England and France, as well as government ideals from ancient Rome and Greece, and even the Iroquois.

    "But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us."

    No, that is not entirely accurate.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameri
    , @Anon
    Populations in America change very fast. Starting 50 years ago liberals began changing schools named after White presidents to Booker Washington MLK George Carver to accommodate the blacks.

    Then those schools changed to 80 90 percent Hispanic or Asian. So now the non Whites want more changes.

    There are probably schools that went from George Washington to Booker Washington to Cesar Chavez in just 59 years.

    Maybe naming schools something like north east high or 5st middle might be a way to avoid all these problems.
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  71. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: Here’s an eye-opening graph (from zerohedge) – student-loan debt:

    A six-fold increase over the last decade.

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  72. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    I had two American Indian ancestors named John Walker. Both were assassinated for their role in the treaty which removed Indians from the SE to Oklahoma.

    http://www.tngenweb.org/mcminn/Chief-Jack.htm

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walker-10677

    People named John Walker should be careful talking about Indians :-)

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    Well, as you know, Mark Twain was a lover of all humanity and not at all a cynic.
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  73. JimB says:

    See, the trick is to only have authors who have simple legacies and are universally embraced…

    Except that’s not the case. Books like Little House on the Prairie, the Wizard of Oz, Danny—Champion of the World, and Johnny Tremaine are being replaced by utter garbage like Heather Has Two Mommies, House On Mango Street, and The Absolutely True Diary of a Part Time Indian. In all cases, deeply imaginative, highly structured writing with an advanced vocabulary is being replaced by colloquial MTV speak and ghetto slang about boring, shallow, politically correct dogma filled with loaded words and stereotypes about white people. It transforms little kids into know-nothing SJWs or turns them off to books and reading altogether. Conversely, nearly every kid who scores in the top 2% of the SAT verbal section reads classic books voraciously.

    In the long run, I don’t think sales of Little House will suffer.

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  74. @Daniel Chieh
    When is the next bikehate post?

    Hopefully, never.

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  75. eD says:

    “My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. ”

    So was mine to some extent, I grew up on reruns of old TV shows, but oddly enough I didn’t feel any collection to this stuff. I became more interested in World War I and the Revolutionary War later on.

    Pretty much everything the TV and books told us about the Revolutionary War and World War 2 turned out to be be wrong, so I’m not sure if it isn’t better that modern children just don’t here about those topics. I’m not sure about the cowboys.

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    Then what is your opinion on the American Revolution?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

    https://d3p157427w54jq.cloudfront.net/uploads/2013/11/51a132c5-0da3-4421-95ca-6458fb9e0bfa-GilligansIslandFashion-642-380-619-386.jpg

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.
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  76. Rosie says:
    @res
    Great quote. And here is Harvard magazine repeating that in what seems to me a laudatory fashion: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html
    Making clear this is not an unacceptable fringe view.

    The comments are fun. I wonder how long it took for them to shut down comments.

    A telling bit about his history from Wikipedia: "Under the name Noel Ignatin, he joined the Communist Party USA in January 1958, but in August left (along with Theodore W. Allen and Harry Haywood) to help form the Provisional Organizing Committee to Reconstitute the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party (POC). He was expelled from the POC in 1966.[5]"

    It occurs to me that these people are happy to use White women’s literary achievements, no doubt our greatest pride and joy, in order to fleece the sheep, but I guess they figure Mrs. Wilder is of no further use in that regard.

    I do take some comfort in this:

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/disneys-staggering-loss-on-fantasy-bomb-a-wrinkle-in-time/news-story/41cde2713e0575cbcea5217c6711353f

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/ff/A_Wrinkle_In_Time_Character_Poster_02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171207033418

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    I do take some comfort in this:
     
    I have trouble taking pleasure in one of my favorite childhood books receiving that treatment in the first place. It is odd given there was a 2004 version also from Disney: https://www.amazon.com/Wrinkle-Time-Katie-Stuart/dp/B01BPNUXWK

    It is interesting to compare the reviews before and after the 2018 version was released. A strange new respect ; )

    P.S. Remake makes more sense given it was originally made for TV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wrinkle_in_Time_(2003_film)
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  77. These are librarians, keep in mind. They can’t have Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books taking shelf space needed for books about biracial children raised by lesbians, hagiographies of Cesar Chavez and the like. Take a walk through your public library’s children’s room and you’ll know what I mean. (In case anyone’s wondering what I’m doing in the children’s room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that’s in the back of the children’s room.)

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    (In case anyone’s wondering what I’m doing in the children’s room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that’s in the back of the children’s room.)
     
    Sure buddy, that's what they all say.
    , @Anon
    Even worse, check out your children’s summer reading list. I didn’t read the LHOP books, but I watched the TV show. I felt it was very bigoted against blondes, especially if they wore their hair in pigtails.

    The anti anti communists had a big 2 minutes hate against Swiss Family Robinson. The left felt it wasn’t communal enough. The idea of one family of mostly boys creating a good life for itself after a shipwreck indicates capitalism and individualism, anathema to liberals.
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  78. @Paleo Liberal
    I had two American Indian ancestors named John Walker. Both were assassinated for their role in the treaty which removed Indians from the SE to Oklahoma.

    http://www.tngenweb.org/mcminn/Chief-Jack.htm

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walker-10677

    People named John Walker should be careful talking about Indians :-)

    Well, as you know, Mark Twain was a lover of all humanity and not at all a cynic.

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  79. BB753 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    Mark Twain though was quite fond of Blacks. Not that it has made his legacy any less “complex”.

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    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

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  80. @Corvinus
    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.

    It was 100 % believable “for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.”

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    It was 100 % believable “for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.”
     
    Indeed. And it's part of a pattern:

    Director's Guild re-names the DW Griffith Award the The Directors Guild of America Award

    Steven Spielberg is to receive a prestigious award for his film-making at a ceremony in Los Angeles tonight.

    But the award - which until now bore the name of the legendary director DW Griffith - has been renamed owing to protests over Griffith's 1915 film, The Birth of a Nation,
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/mar/11/world.news\

    World Fantasy Award gets rid of trophy busts that are modeled after Lovecraft


    World Fantasy award drops HP Lovecraft as prize image
    In the wake of lobbying by authors and readers, organisers announce that trophy will no longer be modelled on the controversial author

    The World Fantasy award trophy will no longer be modelled on HP Lovecraft, it has been announced, following a campaign last year that called the author out as an “avowed racist” with “hideous opinions”.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/09/world-fantasy-award-drops-hp-lovecraft-as-prize-image
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  81. In the early 80s in the afternoon there were two channels both showing LHOP one starting when the first one ended.

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  82. @International Jew
    These are librarians, keep in mind. They can't have Laura Ingalls Wilder's books taking shelf space needed for books about biracial children raised by lesbians, hagiographies of Cesar Chavez and the like. Take a walk through your public library's children's room and you'll know what I mean. (In case anyone's wondering what I'm doing in the children's room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that's in the back of the children's room.)

    (In case anyone’s wondering what I’m doing in the children’s room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that’s in the back of the children’s room.)

    Sure buddy, that’s what they all say.

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    Sure buddy, that’s what they all say.
     
    Lol. There's no shame in it. One grows back into children's literature.

    C.S. Lewis to his godchild Lucy Barfield:

    My Dear Lucy,

    I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books. As a result, you are already too old for fairy tales, and by the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again. You can then take it down from some upper shelf, dust it, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too deaf to hear, and too old to understand a word you say but I shall still be,

    your affectionate Godfather,

    C. S. Lewis.
    , @International Jew
    It's true. Now if you asked, should some the characters in this club be given the opportunity to walk through the children's room, well, that's a fair question. But this is the room we were given. I'm sure most of us would have preferred a conference room next to the science fiction books.
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  83. @Peter Akuleyev
    It's funny, I loved the Little House books when I was a kid. My kid's have no interest in them. Not because they are PC, (in fact the "racist" tag might inspire a little more interest), but I get the feeling they feel very little connection to America's pioneer period. Their childhood pop culture world has been heavily superheroes, modern action movies and sci-fi. My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. I am sure that diet inspired a deeper connection to America than the escapist gruel kids get today.

    My kid’s have no interest in them.

    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were “boring”.

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    Your wife shouldn't despair. Your daughter may yet wind up reading and loving them. I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but women are devouring tons of "Amish romances." There is definitely a fascination with the simplicity and wholesomeness of their lifestyle.

    According to this guy, mainly older evangelical women read them. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know that at least some young women like them. These aren't for your really brainy broads, but just your typical above-average woman with two years of college or somethinglike that.

    https://m.ranker.com/list/amish-romance-novel-facts/donn-saylor

    I admit to having read a few of these. They're much better than anything on television.
    , @J1234

    My kid’s have no interest in them.
     

    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were “boring”.
     
    Not true for our kids at all, and they're a little younger than your daughter. The difference may have been that my wife read the stories to the kids rather than giving them the books to read on their own, even though they love to read. The group reading made for a beautiful family experience (and cultural experience - we live in Nebraska.) It also gave the stories a bit more drama, and I loved listening, too. She read them most of the books, as I recall.

    It may have also helped that we never let our kids watch mainstream TV, though we did let them play video games and get on the internet a little later. They weren't as predisposed to the current dramatic mindset that's found throughout broadcasting (anything without explosions and zombies is boring.)

    Ingalls Wilder was a brilliant author who was able to convey rather deep feelings and relationships with relatively simple language. If she's off limits to kids, they may read her later in life and start to understand what the left is trying to rob them of. One way or another, it's all going to backfire on the left, and defining historical figures fundamentally by their transgressions against the values of today's educational elites is one of the surest ways to make that happen.

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  84. AndrewR says:
    @eD
    "My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. "

    So was mine to some extent, I grew up on reruns of old TV shows, but oddly enough I didn't feel any collection to this stuff. I became more interested in World War I and the Revolutionary War later on.

    Pretty much everything the TV and books told us about the Revolutionary War and World War 2 turned out to be be wrong, so I'm not sure if it isn't better that modern children just don't here about those topics. I'm not sure about the cowboys.

    Then what is your opinion on the American Revolution?

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  85. We’re in full-out cultural revolution mode, American style.

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  86. The board of the Association for Library Service to Children (ALSC), a division of the American Library Association, made the unanimous decision to remove the name of author Laura Ingalls Wilder from a major children’s book award at a meeting in New Orleans on Saturday.

    This pretty much says it all. The American Library Association (ALA) masquerades as a professional association when in fact it is a front for hard core left-wing advocacy. ALA has it’s very own “Black Caucus” that emulates the behavior of the likes of Maxine Waters. ALA’s membership comes from three predictably cult-Marxist constituencies: (1) the mostly black librarians who run the big urban public libraries which are now primarily flop houses for homeless bums (the new model for Starbucks), (2) academic librarians, deeply schooled in social justice ideology, made up mostly of the stereotypical femi-Nazis and skinny, neutered guys in sandals who come to work wearing Che Guevara tee-shirts, (3) NGO and Federal librarians, people who have never had real jobs.

    The library profession is heavily female which is also a tip off.

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  87. Rosie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    (In case anyone’s wondering what I’m doing in the children’s room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that’s in the back of the children’s room.)
     
    Sure buddy, that's what they all say.

    Sure buddy, that’s what they all say.

    Lol. There’s no shame in it. One grows back into children’s literature.

    C.S. Lewis to his godchild Lucy Barfield:

    My Dear Lucy,

    I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books. As a result, you are already too old for fairy tales, and by the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again. You can then take it down from some upper shelf, dust it, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too deaf to hear, and too old to understand a word you say but I shall still be,

    your affectionate Godfather,

    C. S. Lewis.

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  88. res says:
    @Rosie
    It occurs to me that these people are happy to use White women's literary achievements, no doubt our greatest pride and joy, in order to fleece the sheep, but I guess they figure Mrs. Wilder is of no further use in that regard.

    I do take some comfort in this:

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/disneys-staggering-loss-on-fantasy-bomb-a-wrinkle-in-time/news-story/41cde2713e0575cbcea5217c6711353f


    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/ff/A_Wrinkle_In_Time_Character_Poster_02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171207033418

    I do take some comfort in this:

    I have trouble taking pleasure in one of my favorite childhood books receiving that treatment in the first place. It is odd given there was a 2004 version also from Disney: https://www.amazon.com/Wrinkle-Time-Katie-Stuart/dp/B01BPNUXWK

    It is interesting to compare the reviews before and after the 2018 version was released. A strange new respect ; )

    P.S. Remake makes more sense given it was originally made for TV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wrinkle_in_Time_(2003_film)

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  89. Rosie says:
    @Cloudswrest

    My kid’s have no interest in them.
     
    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were "boring".

    Your wife shouldn’t despair. Your daughter may yet wind up reading and loving them. I don’t know if you guys are aware of this, but women are devouring tons of “Amish romances.” There is definitely a fascination with the simplicity and wholesomeness of their lifestyle.

    According to this guy, mainly older evangelical women read them. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I do know that at least some young women like them. These aren’t for your really brainy broads, but just your typical above-average woman with two years of college or somethinglike that.

    https://m.ranker.com/list/amish-romance-novel-facts/donn-saylor

    I admit to having read a few of these. They’re much better than anything on television.

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    My sister read a couple of these Amish romances! I was surprised to say the least. My sister isn’t a strident feminist but I was surprised she’d read a book where a man laments that his widowed brother no longer has someone to “set his table and mend his shirts”.

    I guess they’re like Hallmark Channel movies; not high literature but sugary sweet and wholesome.

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  90. @eD
    "My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. "

    So was mine to some extent, I grew up on reruns of old TV shows, but oddly enough I didn't feel any collection to this stuff. I became more interested in World War I and the Revolutionary War later on.

    Pretty much everything the TV and books told us about the Revolutionary War and World War 2 turned out to be be wrong, so I'm not sure if it isn't better that modern children just don't here about those topics. I'm not sure about the cowboys.

    I learned everything from Gilligan’s Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

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    “BTW I am a Mary Ann man.”

    What man isn’t really? She was rocking the daisy dukes before anyone heard of Daisy Duke.
    , @AnotherDad

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.
     
    #MeToo
    , @Kylie
    "Neither a borrower nor a lender be/Do not forget! Stay out of debt!"

    I learned all I know about "Hamlet" and "Carmen" from "Gilligan's Island".
    , @William Badwhite
    I never understood why Lovie had all those clothes if she was just headed out for three hours? IIRC she had a couple of steamer trunks.

    Also, Thurston and Lovie were much more accessible billionaires than today's brand - no chance any of today's plutocrats head out on a short cruise with hoi polloi such as farm girl Mary Ann.

    Jim Backus was hilarious in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" as the drunken Beech 18 pilot.
    , @Anonymous
    As a kid I preferred Ginger, but the character and the woman who played her have aged very poorly. Mary Ann and Dawn Wells have emerged the undisputed winner.

    Tina Louise blamed Ginger for stereotyping her and keeping her from the roles she needed to build "a real career", but what killed Tina Louise's career was Tina Louise.

    The character "Ginger Grant" was an obvious spoof of Marilyn Monroe, devised before Monroe died. It should have been renamed or replaced then, but it wasn't. Originally , they wanted "The Poor Man's Marilyn Monroe", Jayne Mansfield, to play her but Mansfield, under the odd belief that she owed Monroe something (MM and Jayne were like Dino and Elvis. Elvis worshipped Dean, Dean thought Elvis a dumbass hick...) declined the role "out of respect". As it turned out, it would have saved her life since she wouldn't have been riding in a Buick going across Louisiana at 90 mph to do some pissant appearance if she had the role. Louise was a second pick and claimed she was 'shanghaied' into it. She bitched constantly for all three years about the job.

    The funny thing is if she wanted to be like Monroe that bad, she should have done what Monroe did when obligated to do what she considered an infra-dig role. She just didn't do it. She didn't show up and they thundered how she'd never work again, bla bla bla. MM knew she put asses in the seats and that was that. Of course she would work again. (See The Girl in the Pink Tights, a never made film whose story is well documented.)

    Louise was attractive, had a good body-not MM-level attractive, but still decent- and was a MOTT to boot, so she'd work. But she wasn't going to turn down a steady check, even a smallish one, and she didn't want to fade a little heat.

    What Louise was not, was a very good actress. She wasn't good at all. That didn't matter that much on the small screen in those days, but she wanted to be in film and there it mattered more. Still, given the times, if she had dumped Gilligan early on, made up some crap about health issues, etc, she might have had something resembling a film career. Who knows? As it was, she was so rotten to work with on the Gilligan set no one else in TV wanted her after that.

    , @hhsiii
    I met Tina Louise at some networking event back in the early ‘90s at a bar in midtown. Prof. Irwin Corey was also there with his wife. He was hilarious. No one knew who he was. His wife said they just came for the free food. And Tina Louise still looked great. She came by our office for some legal issue a few weeks later so I guess the networking worked, although I think she just liked one of my colleagues about 30 years her junior.

    I loved Dawn Welles too and if she aged as well more power to her.
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  91. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Seagram heiress and big Hillary donor and backer is being indicted for involvement in sex trafficking cult NXIVM.

    http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1409-major-hillary-clinton-donor-to-be-indicted-in-child-sex-trafficking-case

    US Senator Kristen Gillibrand’s father worked for the NXIVM cult for a while and her stepmother was a member. Kristen has also accepted donations from the NXIVM cult. Any presidential ambitions Gillibrand has are finished if this becomes widespread. (By the way, doesn’t anyone have normal parents anymore?)

    The cult has been caught importing illegals from Mexico for the ‘use’ of cult members.

    These people . . . you know, all you have to do to stay out of trouble is NOT DO EVIL. But they couldn’t resist.

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  92. J1234 says:
    @Cloudswrest

    My kid’s have no interest in them.
     
    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were "boring".

    My kid’s have no interest in them.

    Same here. My wife, who loved the stories, tried to get our kids interested in them. My (now) 19 year old daughter thought they were “boring”.

    Not true for our kids at all, and they’re a little younger than your daughter. The difference may have been that my wife read the stories to the kids rather than giving them the books to read on their own, even though they love to read. The group reading made for a beautiful family experience (and cultural experience – we live in Nebraska.) It also gave the stories a bit more drama, and I loved listening, too. She read them most of the books, as I recall.

    It may have also helped that we never let our kids watch mainstream TV, though we did let them play video games and get on the internet a little later. They weren’t as predisposed to the current dramatic mindset that’s found throughout broadcasting (anything without explosions and zombies is boring.)

    Ingalls Wilder was a brilliant author who was able to convey rather deep feelings and relationships with relatively simple language. If she’s off limits to kids, they may read her later in life and start to understand what the left is trying to rob them of. One way or another, it’s all going to backfire on the left, and defining historical figures fundamentally by their transgressions against the values of today’s educational elites is one of the surest ways to make that happen.

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  93. Corn says:
    @Rosie
    Your wife shouldn't despair. Your daughter may yet wind up reading and loving them. I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but women are devouring tons of "Amish romances." There is definitely a fascination with the simplicity and wholesomeness of their lifestyle.

    According to this guy, mainly older evangelical women read them. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know that at least some young women like them. These aren't for your really brainy broads, but just your typical above-average woman with two years of college or somethinglike that.

    https://m.ranker.com/list/amish-romance-novel-facts/donn-saylor

    I admit to having read a few of these. They're much better than anything on television.

    My sister read a couple of these Amish romances! I was surprised to say the least. My sister isn’t a strident feminist but I was surprised she’d read a book where a man laments that his widowed brother no longer has someone to “set his table and mend his shirts”.

    I guess they’re like Hallmark Channel movies; not high literature but sugary sweet and wholesome.

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    I guess they’re like Hallmark Channel movies; not high literature but sugary sweet and wholesome.
     
    Yes, indeed. Sales are past their peak, but hopefully the genre will continue. It's good to know the demand for decent entertainment is still there.
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  94. Corn says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

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    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    “BTW I am a Mary Ann man.”

    What man isn’t really? She was rocking the daisy dukes before anyone heard of Daisy Duke.

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  95. @BB753
    Mark Twain though was quite fond of Blacks. Not that it has made his legacy any less "complex".

    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

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    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.
     
    In Twain's case, just note the difference between the nightmarish Injun Joe and Jim, the highly sympathetic runaway slave ......
    , @JimB
    Fortunately, L. Frank Baum’s children’s writing is made safe from the howling SJW mobs by the fact that it inspired the Gayest Movie of All Time, The Wizard of Oz. Otherwise, it would be purged because Baum once wrote a letter to the editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer advocating for the extermination of the American Indians.
    , @IBC
    Wow. With just a few changes, the sentiments of Twain's essay could read like something from Susan Sontag or even worse, though I admit that there's also some humor there. But I don't know if he missed the news at the time or if he only read the more subjective, Rah-Rah-Rah, settler accounts of it; but some of what he says is extremely ironic given what had happened at the Sand Creek Massacre only six years before:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre

    As you know, a writer can get a stronger response by either echoing his intended audience's perspective or by flat-out challenging it. There isn't much of a market for moderation. Twain probably did have a genuinely contemptuous view of American Indians at the time he wrote this, and that was a common and convenient attitude among "westerners" of the day. But perhaps, since this was originally published in a literary magazine based in New York City, he was also angling for a rise from some of the more morally-squeamish East Coast establishment-types of the day who may have started to have second-thoughts about the ongoing American colonization of the West and the fate of the peoples whose traditional ways of life stood in the way of that project.

    By the way, I once attended a presentation given by a Cree Indian from Quebec. He was a big guy --big enough to tear someone like Samuel Clemens almost literally in twain. Steve, as you've mentioned, there is a bias towards taller people in our society. There have been studies where people have overestimated the actual height of those they perceived to be of higher social status and underestimated those of perceived lower status. Americans Indians of the Great Basin and the Sierras may not have been as tall as Plains Indians. But Twain specifically mentions Plains Indians; and in pictures, he himself doesn't look particularly tall for that time period; and presumably he also wore boots or shoes instead of mocassins or going barefoot...
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  96. syonredux says:
    @David In TN
    It was 100 % believable "for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure."

    It was 100 % believable “for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.”

    Indeed. And it’s part of a pattern:

    Director’s Guild re-names the DW Griffith Award the The Directors Guild of America Award

    Steven Spielberg is to receive a prestigious award for his film-making at a ceremony in Los Angeles tonight.

    But the award – which until now bore the name of the legendary director DW Griffith – has been renamed owing to protests over Griffith’s 1915 film, The Birth of a Nation,

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/mar/11/world.news\

    World Fantasy Award gets rid of trophy busts that are modeled after Lovecraft

    World Fantasy award drops HP Lovecraft as prize image
    In the wake of lobbying by authors and readers, organisers announce that trophy will no longer be modelled on the controversial author

    The World Fantasy award trophy will no longer be modelled on HP Lovecraft, it has been announced, following a campaign last year that called the author out as an “avowed racist” with “hideous opinions”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/09/world-fantasy-award-drops-hp-lovecraft-as-prize-image

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    Didn’t they change the name of the DW Griffith award about 20 years ago? They are also eradicating the sole inventor of the feature film, DW Griffith from all the history of film courses.
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  97. Steve pointed out why we’re losing references to our pioneer past in “Carved Upon The Landscape”.

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  98. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

    In Twain’s case, just note the difference between the nightmarish Injun Joe and Jim, the highly sympathetic runaway slave ……

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  99. @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

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    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    #MeToo

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    Most men are Mary Ann men. I think glamour, make up and dark nail polish turns them off or something
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  100. Kylie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

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    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    “Neither a borrower nor a lender be/Do not forget! Stay out of debt!”

    I learned all I know about “Hamlet” and “Carmen” from “Gilligan’s Island”.

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    I just re-read Hamlet. I love the pop Shakespeare got in on his fellow limeys when he had one of the characters say that Hamlet was sent to England because nobody would notice that Hamlet was nuts because all English people are nuts. What's one more?

    Hamlet Says:

    I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.

     

    , @Charles Pewitt
    Hamlet:

    Ay, marry, why was he sent into England?

     

    Gravedigger:

    Why, because he was mad. He shall recover his wits there, or, if he do not, it’s no great matter there.

     

    Hamlet:

    Why?

     

    Gravedigger:

    'Twill not be seen in him there. There the men are as mad as he.

     

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  101. @JohnnyWalker123
    You could never make an episode like this these days.

    Watch from 0:08-0:18. 10 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAElCNEc8I

    Happy Days had Pat Morita do a Chinese accent. In addition to that, it portrayed Italian-American men (such as "The Fonz") as overly interested in picking up women.

    Were the 1950s really "Happy Days"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6y7YhHdVE

    Anthony Cumia has a humorous running bit about “Tolerant Fonzie”. I think it’s funny, but not as funny as Andrew Dice Gay, though.He also does a hilarious “Evil Brian Regan”.

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  102. Abe says: • Website

    And the funny thing is… if the Norks could have pulled off RED DAWN 2’s successful invasion of the US (impossible, yes, but the barely semi-plausible original idea of a Chinese invasion was nixed due to threats of Chinese market boycotts; see, even our entertainment is fake, Fake Fakery) I can’t imagine the occupying regime dynamiting the identity, history and culture of America with such thoroughness.

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  103. @Kylie
    "Neither a borrower nor a lender be/Do not forget! Stay out of debt!"

    I learned all I know about "Hamlet" and "Carmen" from "Gilligan's Island".

    I just re-read Hamlet. I love the pop Shakespeare got in on his fellow limeys when he had one of the characters say that Hamlet was sent to England because nobody would notice that Hamlet was nuts because all English people are nuts. What’s one more?

    Hamlet Says:

    I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.

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  104. @Kylie
    "Neither a borrower nor a lender be/Do not forget! Stay out of debt!"

    I learned all I know about "Hamlet" and "Carmen" from "Gilligan's Island".

    Hamlet:

    Ay, marry, why was he sent into England?

    Gravedigger:

    Why, because he was mad. He shall recover his wits there, or, if he do not, it’s no great matter there.

    Hamlet:

    Why?

    Gravedigger:

    ‘Twill not be seen in him there. There the men are as mad as he.

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  105. @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

    https://d3p157427w54jq.cloudfront.net/uploads/2013/11/51a132c5-0da3-4421-95ca-6458fb9e0bfa-GilligansIslandFashion-642-380-619-386.jpg

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    I never understood why Lovie had all those clothes if she was just headed out for three hours? IIRC she had a couple of steamer trunks.

    Also, Thurston and Lovie were much more accessible billionaires than today’s brand – no chance any of today’s plutocrats head out on a short cruise with hoi polloi such as farm girl Mary Ann.

    Jim Backus was hilarious in “Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” as the drunken Beech 18 pilot.

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    Jim Backus was hilarious in “Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” as the drunken Beech 18 pilot.
     
    My favorite movie as a kid, and a classic airplane too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i415QwSj0Og
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  106. Fascinating. The Great Western Shuttening continues in the West. Conservatives are the ones tasked to save the best of the West. Where are the Western cucks? It’s crickets from them.

    I loved the books when I was a child. On the Big Bang Theory, Amy wanted a Little House on the Prairie wedding while Sheldon wanted a Star Trek wedding. It was a funny episode. How funny, that soon, fun things like this will be gone.

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  107. @JohnnyWalker123
    You could never make an episode like this these days.

    Watch from 0:08-0:18. 10 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAElCNEc8I

    Happy Days had Pat Morita do a Chinese accent. In addition to that, it portrayed Italian-American men (such as "The Fonz") as overly interested in picking up women.

    Were the 1950s really "Happy Days"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6y7YhHdVE

    An interesting fact about Pat Morita was that he was very good friends with Redd Foxx and basically owed his entire career to him. And in interviews, Morita does a pretty funny Redd Foxx impression.

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  108. @Peter Akuleyev
    Reminds me of the joke about the Chinese waiter that ends with the punchline: "It's pronounced `fried rice´ you flickin letard!"

    My dear Peter Akuleyev, it seems you heard a sanitized version of the Irishman-Chinaman joke, whose actual punch line is: “No! Is ‘fr-rrried r-rrrice,’ you Ilish plick!”

    With your comment No. 20 in which you compared the children’s market pop culture content of your (and my) youth with today’s children’s market pop culture content, my dear Peter Akuleyev, I concur.

    As far as the literary wing of the Talifa go, they may as well contrive to change the title of Wilder’s work to “Spittle-Flecked Louse on the Prairie.”

    Yes, “Talifa,” which is my freshly minted neologism deserved by the so-called “Progressives” and their “antifa” Brownshirts.

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  109. @William Badwhite
    I never understood why Lovie had all those clothes if she was just headed out for three hours? IIRC she had a couple of steamer trunks.

    Also, Thurston and Lovie were much more accessible billionaires than today's brand - no chance any of today's plutocrats head out on a short cruise with hoi polloi such as farm girl Mary Ann.

    Jim Backus was hilarious in "Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" as the drunken Beech 18 pilot.

    Jim Backus was hilarious in “Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” as the drunken Beech 18 pilot.

    My favorite movie as a kid, and a classic airplane too.

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  110. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Isn't all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?

    If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity. Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn't have moved there. However, if you repeatedly tell these groups' children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites, they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren't part of their tribe.

    Why would a high school that is now 50% Hispanic, 11% black, 14% Asian and only 24% white be named after a Confederate general? Hispanics and Asians have no connection to that past. Black kids sure don't want the name.

    Civic nationalism will fail. Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended.

    But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us.

    In the end, these black, Hispanic, Asian and South Asian SJWs are right in one sense: U.S. history and literature is not their history and literature. Maybe if they lived in a different country, they could admire it because it wouldn't threaten their position. But they don't. They live here. And that means that each group must push for as much of the pie as possible. Tearing down the past helps in that cause by weakening white pride so it will continue.

    This game is only beginning. If whites want to protect their history and culture, they will have to do it on their own.

    You are so right.
    Enough with shrugged shoulders and rueful head-shaking.
    Time instead to coolly weigh-up our chances and then do what it takes to end this threat to our very existence.
    And if ending their existence is what does the trick, then so be it.

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    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us. They will do what every tribe does, push for more power.

    Btw, that's not an indictment of them, it's an indictment of whites. We're the only race that seems to think that our shit don't stink. We've been on top for so long that we've forgotten what it took to get there. Other groups haven't.

    Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do. I have no idea how that will play out, but the end game is assured by nature. This is what always happens. We will not escape this natural phenomenon anymore that we can escape death.

    I will say this, however. If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group. People forget how amazing whites can be when they put their mind to something. We're a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off.
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  111. jim jones says:
    @rob
    Sailer or Unz or whoever,

    Comments don’t appear in safari browser on my iPad. They show up in chrome, but chrome sucks. The problem started last night maybe after midnight or so.

    PS

    How is “Unz” pronounced?

    Firefox is available for Apple systems

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  112. @rob
    Sailer or Unz or whoever,

    Comments don’t appear in safari browser on my iPad. They show up in chrome, but chrome sucks. The problem started last night maybe after midnight or so.

    PS

    How is “Unz” pronounced?

    Un-Zee

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  113. Rosie says:
    @Corn
    My sister read a couple of these Amish romances! I was surprised to say the least. My sister isn’t a strident feminist but I was surprised she’d read a book where a man laments that his widowed brother no longer has someone to “set his table and mend his shirts”.

    I guess they’re like Hallmark Channel movies; not high literature but sugary sweet and wholesome.

    I guess they’re like Hallmark Channel movies; not high literature but sugary sweet and wholesome.

    Yes, indeed. Sales are past their peak, but hopefully the genre will continue. It’s good to know the demand for decent entertainment is still there.

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  114. Dr. Doom says:

    The award will now be renamed for a mad black woman and reflect the new illiterate society we are burning down said Chapter 13 publisher Will Write For Food.

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  115. @Old Palo Altan
    You are so right.
    Enough with shrugged shoulders and rueful head-shaking.
    Time instead to coolly weigh-up our chances and then do what it takes to end this threat to our very existence.
    And if ending their existence is what does the trick, then so be it.

    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us. They will do what every tribe does, push for more power.

    Btw, that’s not an indictment of them, it’s an indictment of whites. We’re the only race that seems to think that our shit don’t stink. We’ve been on top for so long that we’ve forgotten what it took to get there. Other groups haven’t.

    Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do. I have no idea how that will play out, but the end game is assured by nature. This is what always happens. We will not escape this natural phenomenon anymore that we can escape death.

    I will say this, however. If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group. People forget how amazing whites can be when they put their mind to something. We’re a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off.

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    that group of whites would be really pissed off.
     
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    , @Corvinus
    "Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us."

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates. And guess what? It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Should we have immigration restrictions? Absolutely. Should business owners be prosecuted for hiring illegals? Definitely. Are non-white immigrants generally dangerous who outright refuse to embrace our ways of life? Hell, no.

    "Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do."

    OR, whites will make their own decisions, like they always have and always will, about race and culture. Remember, free association.

    "If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group."

    Says who? MUST all whites engage in this behavior just to sate your blood lust?

    "We’re a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off."

    But I thought today's white men are generally low T soy boys. Yet, somehow they will go all Hulk when they realize that they have been played the fool? Praytell, will you be front and center as they unleash their Anglo-Saxon anger, or will you be on the sidelines, on any person--man, woman, and child--deemed an "enemy"?
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  116. This is very similar to a story I read recently about the Harvard Medical Center agreeing to remove pictures of previous presidents (Because they are all white) and replacing them with something else that is multicultural (not sure what-nurses, multicultural random group shots, something).

    The important issue here is not that Laura Ingals Wilder is being removed, or that white successful men (successful in terms of the very organization that is displaying their photographs) are being removed (or, for that matter, that statues of Confederate Generals are being removed).

    The issue is that there is no intellectual justification for ever saying ‘no’ to progressive demands. If one is willing to bend the rules to allow non-whites to enter in spite of being less than qualified (Harvard Medical School for the doctors, children’s literature canon for LIW), why wouldn’t a demand to remove one arbitrary children’s writer (or a bunch of pictures of white men from 1925) be honored? The significant victory (bend the rules for me) was already established. Insignificant victories (take down pictures I don’t like: read a different kids’ book from the tens of thousands available; remove Confederate Generals’ memorials) are inevitable.

    It is honestly odd to witness the dismantling of an entire civilization* in real time, as quickly as its happening. We are all vaguely aware that when the Roman Empire fell, it must have done something similar: but I think our sense is that it took a few hundred years to happen. Our civilization is literally crumbing in one generation.

    Joe

    *what do I mean by this? Again; its not that Laura Ingals Wilder was the key to Western Civilization. It is that there is simply no standard of achievement or behavior that can justifiably be held in opposition to multiculturalism. There is no defensible ‘line’ at which anyone-Harvard administrators, Librarians, your children’s school principle, etc, can say ‘no, that’s too far.’

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    It is honestly odd to witness the dismantling of an entire civilization* in real time, as quickly as its happening. We are all vaguely aware that when the Roman Empire fell, it must have done something similar: but I think our sense is that it took a few hundred years to happen. Our civilization is literally crumbing in one generation.
     
    You don't see the rot beginning beginning to manifest itself by the 1960's, if not earlier? There is no question that Western civ has been on the decline for a lot longer than one generation. The only question is just how much longer.
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  117. Thea says:
    @Barnard
    The standing ovation is the most disturbing part of the story. This sounds Stalinesque, but there isn't any one person in the Stalin role that everyone needs to fear. What will be the catalyst for this crazy behavior to stop?

    There aren’t even any gulags awaiting them, just social exclusion from loser SJWs. Embarrassing !

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  118. Dave says:

    The Little House books were the last allowable expression of heritage America. Not even Ellis Island, immigrants-are-the-real-Americans white, but original settler stock still pushing westward. Something you could give or read to your kids, that didn’t have any revisionist deconstruction or modern asides edited in.

    In hindsight, they had to come for Laura Ingalls Wilder. It’s not enough to stay silent on today’s pieties, you must affirm.

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  119. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's what Mark Twain thought about the "Red Man."

    http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html

    He is little, and scrawny, and black, and dirty; and, judged by even the most charitable of our canons of human excellence, is thoroughly pitiful and contemptible. There is nothing in his eye or his nose that is attractive, and if there is anything in his hair that — however, that is a feature which will not bear too close examination . . .

     


    he is a good, fair, desirable subject for extermination if ever there was one.
     

    There is nothing figurative, or moonshiny, or sentimental about his language. It is very simple and unostentatious, and consists of plain, straightforward lies. His “wisdom” conferred upon an idiot would leave that idiot helpless indeed.
     

    He is ignoble — base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts. With him, gratitude is an unknown emotion; and when one does him a kindness, it is safest to keep the face toward him, lest the reward be an arrow in the back.
     

    To give him a dinner when he is starving, is to precipitate the whole hungry tribe upon your hospitality, for he will go straight and fetch them, men, women, children, and dogs, and these they will huddle patiently around your door, or flatten their noses against your window, day aft er day, gazing beseechingly upon every mouthful you take, and unconsciously swallowing when you swallow! The scum of the earth
     

    All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning — usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the e men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the “heroic deeds of their ancestors.”
     

    when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain . . .
     

    Such is the genuine Noble Aborigine. I did not get him from books, but from personal observation.
     

    The Noble Red Man seldom goes prating loving foolishness to a splendidly caparisoned blushing maid at twilight. No; he trades a crippled horse, or a damaged musket, or a dog, or a gallon of grasshoppers, and an inefficient old mother for her, and makes h er work like an abject slave all the rest of her life to compensate him for the outlay. He never works himself.
     

    This reminds me of Little Big Man, a great novel that portrays natives in a way that rings if truth: smelly, stubborn, gossipy. Great book.

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  120. @Peter Akuleyev
    It's funny, I loved the Little House books when I was a kid. My kid's have no interest in them. Not because they are PC, (in fact the "racist" tag might inspire a little more interest), but I get the feeling they feel very little connection to America's pioneer period. Their childhood pop culture world has been heavily superheroes, modern action movies and sci-fi. My childhood pop culture had a heavy diet of cowboys, World War II and Revolutionary War. I am sure that diet inspired a deeper connection to America than the escapist gruel kids get today.

    My mother’s schoolteachers tried to get her interested in Laura Ingalls Wilder, but her Ellis Island family was escaping the Old World land for the jobs in the New World city, not looking for ways to get back to the land, so she took no interest. She passed this disdain on to me (though I recall girls at my school reading them–including the Muslima daughter of some Pakistani muckitymuck(!)).

    As an adult, I picked up a dogeared copy while working a stint on a farm. Devoured it in one sitting. Picked up another. Same result. Soon I had tracked down and read all of them. I passed them on to my offspring and the story is hallowed in our family.

    The link, once broken, is reforged.

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  121. Anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    The general rule is that Amerinds were best admired at a distance…..
     
    Also depends on what kind of "Amerinds."

    In any case, this is truly sad. I loved Laura Ingalls Wilder's books (in translation) while growing up in East Asia and also enjoyed the TV series immensely. So they were some of the first "feature-length" novels I read to my children when they were little and later they were all delighted to read these books and watch the TV series on their own (even before they were assigned a couple of the volumes from their Catholic homeschooling curriculum).

    My kids used to put on their own plays about being American pioneers with ideas largely drawn from the "Little House on the Prairie" books.

    Couldn’t agree more, and I grew up in Mexico. My eldest fell in love with the books and read them cover to cover, and all of them loved the TV version. You could actually gauge the series’ effect as formative, for they would be more even-tempered, helpful and thoughtful after binge-watching.

    One suspects it is the ideas about a moral upbringing and the net good represented by an intact family that ‘they’ find so deeply offensive.

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  122. Anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    The standing ovation is the most disturbing part of the story. This sounds Stalinesque, but there isn't any one person in the Stalin role that everyone needs to fear. What will be the catalyst for this crazy behavior to stop?

    Yes, the standing ovation bit got to me too. Pretty dark clouds in the horizon, I’m afraid.

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  123. Well, not a fan of “Little House”, print or TV editions but I was a great fan of cartoons, especially Warner Brothers. When will they burn all those films? And Pepe le Pew is probably next to be #MeTooed. Pepe, no means no!

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    The end of F. Paul Wilson LIPIDLEGGIN’, 1978.

    The protagonist has just successfully corrupted a Federal Narc sniffing around for illegal eggs & ham being sold ...

    I follow him to the door where I see Gabe and a couple of the boys from the mill coming up the road with shotguns cradled in their arms. I wave them off and tell them thanks anyway. Then I watch the guy drive off.

    I guess I can't tell a Fed when I see one, but I can name anybody's poison. Anybody's.
    I glance down at the pile of newspapers I leave on the outside bench. Around the rock that holds it down I can see where some committee of giraffes has announced that it will recommend the banning of Bugs Bunny cartoons from theaters and the airwaves. The creature, they say, shows a complete disregard for authority and is not fit viewing for children.

    Well, I've been expecting that and dubbed up a few minidisks of some of Bugs' finest moments. Don't want the kids around here to grow up without the Wabbit.
    I also hear talk about a coming federal campaign against being overweight. Bad health risk, they say. Rumor has it they're going to outlaw clothes over a certain size. That's just rumor, of course... still, I'll bet there's an angle in there for me.
     
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  124. Anonymous[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ
    We can probably see the genesis here: Junot Díaz [[The MIT POC professor whose “objectionable conduct described in the public reports does not have the kind of severity that animated the #MeToo movement” said his female defenders]].

    “To be a young immigrant is to survive an apocalypse.” Junot Díaz says, “there was a white world trying to destroy me.” Every day Díaz claims he was forced to endure “the utter, awful onslaught of it.”

    Despite the “onslaught,” it seems Junot did somehow learn how to read in the New Jersey school system. Yet in the end, this seemed to make things worse. Junot realized around seventh grade that the books he read “didn’t help me at all. They were super-white.”

    It turned out that books weren’t an escape or solution to the “white supremacist onslaught”—books were the problem. … What’s more, the authors of those books were part of a white supremacist racist system. They were, in their way, white supremacist racists themselves. J.R.R. Tolkien. Richard Adams. Laura Ingalls Wilder.

    “...the super-white books I was reading were, too. … From Laura Ingalls Wilder writing ‘there were no people, only Indians’ to Tolkien comparing black men to trolls, and Richard Adams talking about ‘primitive people’ all through ‘Watership Down,’ it was there.

    “The relentless underlying whiteness was devouring me. The utter erasure.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/01/pulitzer-prize-winner-claims-super-white-childrens-books-ruined-youth/
     
    I guess he doesn't read Lizzie Wade about a real apocalypse.

    The immense emotional labor of reading Tolkien.

    it was there

    It’s the Matrix.

    Well, he COULD have gone for Math. It’s supposed to be colorblind although these Lagrangians look suspiciously supremacist.

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  125. Anonymous[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Well, not a fan of "Little House", print or TV editions but I was a great fan of cartoons, especially Warner Brothers. When will they burn all those films? And Pepe le Pew is probably next to be #MeTooed. Pepe, no means no!

    The end of F. Paul Wilson LIPIDLEGGIN’, 1978.

    The protagonist has just successfully corrupted a Federal Narc sniffing around for illegal eggs & ham being sold …

    I follow him to the door where I see Gabe and a couple of the boys from the mill coming up the road with shotguns cradled in their arms. I wave them off and tell them thanks anyway. Then I watch the guy drive off.

    I guess I can’t tell a Fed when I see one, but I can name anybody’s poison. Anybody’s.
    I glance down at the pile of newspapers I leave on the outside bench. Around the rock that holds it down I can see where some committee of giraffes has announced that it will recommend the banning of Bugs Bunny cartoons from theaters and the airwaves. The creature, they say, shows a complete disregard for authority and is not fit viewing for children.

    Well, I’ve been expecting that and dubbed up a few minidisks of some of Bugs’ finest moments. Don’t want the kids around here to grow up without the Wabbit.
    I also hear talk about a coming federal campaign against being overweight. Bad health risk, they say. Rumor has it they’re going to outlaw clothes over a certain size. That’s just rumor, of course… still, I’ll bet there’s an angle in there for me.

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  126. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @luther van grossed
    Wait till they hear that Jane Austen wrote her books supported by the income from her family's slave plantations in the West Indies. Actually feminists found this out 25 years ago when Edward Said drew attention to it (the only worthwile thing he ever did).

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn't register with the illiterate young anyway. 'Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!'

    A lot of Americans are descendants from people who supported themselves on their slaves’ labor. Even more Americans are descended from people who supported themselves on the labor of white indentured workers who were not free to walk away. Many Americans are descended from people who kept serfs in bondage in old Europe.

    In the long run, it doesn’t matter what your ancestors did. Everyone has slave owners in their background when you go back far enough, even blacks in Africa.

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  127. JimB says:
    @rob
    Sailer or Unz or whoever,

    Comments don’t appear in safari browser on my iPad. They show up in chrome, but chrome sucks. The problem started last night maybe after midnight or so.

    PS

    How is “Unz” pronounced?

    Unz is the plural of Un.

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  128. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

    Fortunately, L. Frank Baum’s children’s writing is made safe from the howling SJW mobs by the fact that it inspired the Gayest Movie of All Time, The Wizard of Oz. Otherwise, it would be purged because Baum once wrote a letter to the editor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer advocating for the extermination of the American Indians.

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  129. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.
     
    #MeToo

    Most men are Mary Ann men. I think glamour, make up and dark nail polish turns them off or something

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  130. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    It was 100 % believable “for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.”
     
    Indeed. And it's part of a pattern:

    Director's Guild re-names the DW Griffith Award the The Directors Guild of America Award

    Steven Spielberg is to receive a prestigious award for his film-making at a ceremony in Los Angeles tonight.

    But the award - which until now bore the name of the legendary director DW Griffith - has been renamed owing to protests over Griffith's 1915 film, The Birth of a Nation,
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2000/mar/11/world.news\

    World Fantasy Award gets rid of trophy busts that are modeled after Lovecraft


    World Fantasy award drops HP Lovecraft as prize image
    In the wake of lobbying by authors and readers, organisers announce that trophy will no longer be modelled on the controversial author

    The World Fantasy award trophy will no longer be modelled on HP Lovecraft, it has been announced, following a campaign last year that called the author out as an “avowed racist” with “hideous opinions”.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/09/world-fantasy-award-drops-hp-lovecraft-as-prize-image

    Didn’t they change the name of the DW Griffith award about 20 years ago? They are also eradicating the sole inventor of the feature film, DW Griffith from all the history of film courses.

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    Didn’t they change the name of the DW Griffith award about 20 years ago? They are also eradicating the sole inventor of the feature film, DW Griffith from all the history of film courses.
     
    My girlfriend is an undergrad at the uni where I teach, and she's taking a history of film class over the Summer. They're watching all the standard stuf from the silent era: Keaton's The General, Chaplin's The Gold Rush, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Battleship Potemkin, etc. However, the prof did not assign a single film by DW Griffith; the most important director of early cinema is an un-person.....
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  131. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    These are librarians, keep in mind. They can't have Laura Ingalls Wilder's books taking shelf space needed for books about biracial children raised by lesbians, hagiographies of Cesar Chavez and the like. Take a walk through your public library's children's room and you'll know what I mean. (In case anyone's wondering what I'm doing in the children's room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that's in the back of the children's room.)

    Even worse, check out your children’s summer reading list. I didn’t read the LHOP books, but I watched the TV show. I felt it was very bigoted against blondes, especially if they wore their hair in pigtails.

    The anti anti communists had a big 2 minutes hate against Swiss Family Robinson. The left felt it wasn’t communal enough. The idea of one family of mostly boys creating a good life for itself after a shipwreck indicates capitalism and individualism, anathema to liberals.

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  132. donut says:
    @roo_ster
    "Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue."

    That is delicious.

    I might have to re-think Mark Twain.

    I read a history of the Comanches by T. R. Fehrenbach . He describes one incident where a raiding party had made off with some captives . A rescue party gave chase and finally caught up with them and surrounded them on a hill top at dusk . They decided to wait until daylight to attack . The Indians knowing they would die in the morning spent the night raping and torturing their captives .
    They were savages what can you say ? They put up a better fight to save their land and way of life than we are .
    The book was published in the 70′s so there has been some criticism of it more recently for inaccuracies . It’s still a good read .
    A more recent book by a Finn , Pekka Hamalainen , “The Comanche Empire” is probably better and gives the lie to any Mexican claims to the Southwest . The Comanches drove the Mexicans and the Apaches out of Texas and and used the New Mexico and northern Mexican settlements as a source of slaves , livestock and tribute .

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    “ The Comanches drove the Mexicans and the Apaches out of Texas and and used the New Mexico and northern Mexican settlements as a source of slaves , livestock and tribute .”

    During the Civil War when Texas’s men were fighting the Civil War back east, the Comanche also pushed the frontier 70-100 miles back against the whites.

    If the Comanche weren’t the toughest tribe Americans fought during the westward expansion, they’re definitely in the running.
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  133. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Just a few years ago Wilder was extolled as a wonderful examplar of a feminist author.
    She was praised for the book being about girls, not boys on the frontier.

    Most of the pioneer children’s books featured boys. Feminazis lived that LHOP characters were girls.

    Liberalism has to keep changing or they will have nothing to do.

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  134. @Thea
    When they settle in Kansas some Indians come to visit while her father is gone. They are dressed only in smelly animal loinclothes. They are also covered in some gross smelling animal oil or fat. Laura’s mother feeds them and they leave but she is clearly terrified and they
    leave an awful Oder of death behind.

    In another book Almanzo describes himself as being “born free and white.” He also describes his first name as being passed down in his family from the Crusades. It’s an anglicized form of an Arabic named continued in honor of an Arab who saved his ancestor’s life.

    You’re right, I had forgotten about Almanzo’s Arab namesake. Even so, the story of Al Mansur is the story of two warrior opponents clasping hands in honor and friendship. There is nothing demeaning or racialist in it. If that is the “racism concern” of these people, they are out of their minds.

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  135. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Isn't all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?

    If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity. Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn't have moved there. However, if you repeatedly tell these groups' children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites, they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren't part of their tribe.

    Why would a high school that is now 50% Hispanic, 11% black, 14% Asian and only 24% white be named after a Confederate general? Hispanics and Asians have no connection to that past. Black kids sure don't want the name.

    Civic nationalism will fail. Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended.

    But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us.

    In the end, these black, Hispanic, Asian and South Asian SJWs are right in one sense: U.S. history and literature is not their history and literature. Maybe if they lived in a different country, they could admire it because it wouldn't threaten their position. But they don't. They live here. And that means that each group must push for as much of the pie as possible. Tearing down the past helps in that cause by weakening white pride so it will continue.

    This game is only beginning. If whites want to protect their history and culture, they will have to do it on their own.

    “Isn’t all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?”

    No.

    “If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity.”

    The decision was made by a division of the ALA, which consists of white people. They fell victim to the machinations of the Coalition of the Right and Left Fringe groups. While understandably this action is deplorable, in the overall scheme of things–a children’s book award–it’s something that will pass.

    “Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn’t have moved there.”

    A powerful argument, indeed.

    “However, if you repeatedly tell these groups’ children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites…”

    Built on BOTH the prowess and exploitation of different groups of people, you mean to say. See, if one is going to be accurate and truthful here, one must provide the good AND the bad.

    “they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren’t part of their tribe.”

    People who truly enjoy books, whether it be fiction or non-fiction, will revel in the author’s regardless of their heritage.

    “Civic nationalism will fail.”

    Highly doubtful.

    “Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended.”

    Genetics is NOT the end all and be all for immigrants “getting on board” with a political and economic system. Remember, nativists in the 1850′s were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a “lesser breed”, as well as in the late 1800′s of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were “of a lower class of people”. Yet, the Irish, Germans, Italians, and Slavs through their hard work and determination (read: environmental factors) overcame nativist resentment. Remember, ethnic mixing in Europe was generally viewed as undesirable. In the United States, it eventually become “normal”. Furthermore, it was not the “Anglo-Saxon” system, it was a system that incorporated Enlightenment ideals from England and France, as well as government ideals from ancient Rome and Greece, and even the Iroquois.

    “But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us.”

    No, that is not entirely accurate.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameri

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    Remember, nativists in the 1850′s were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a “lesser breed”, as well as in the late 1800′s of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were “of a lower class of people”.
     
    Assuming this isn't mostly BS as I suspect, I've never understood what it's supposed to prove. If anti-Whites are trying to argue that "nativists" cried wolf in the past, and therefore should be ignored today, I wonder if they actually read the story - all the way to the end.
    , @Anonymous
    The issue with the Irish and Germans was their religion not their race or nationality. Protestant Irish and Germans were welcomed without issue. (Thomas Nast, himself a German Protestant, mocked German Catholics as well as the Irish in his cartoons.)
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  136. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    Didn’t they change the name of the DW Griffith award about 20 years ago? They are also eradicating the sole inventor of the feature film, DW Griffith from all the history of film courses.

    Didn’t they change the name of the DW Griffith award about 20 years ago? They are also eradicating the sole inventor of the feature film, DW Griffith from all the history of film courses.

    My girlfriend is an undergrad at the uni where I teach, and she’s taking a history of film class over the Summer. They’re watching all the standard stuf from the silent era: Keaton’s The General, Chaplin’s The Gold Rush, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Battleship Potemkin, etc. However, the prof did not assign a single film by DW Griffith; the most important director of early cinema is an un-person…..

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  137. Rosie says:
    @Corvinus
    "Isn’t all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?"

    No.

    "If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity."

    The decision was made by a division of the ALA, which consists of white people. They fell victim to the machinations of the Coalition of the Right and Left Fringe groups. While understandably this action is deplorable, in the overall scheme of things--a children's book award--it's something that will pass.

    "Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn’t have moved there."

    A powerful argument, indeed.

    "However, if you repeatedly tell these groups’ children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites..."

    Built on BOTH the prowess and exploitation of different groups of people, you mean to say. See, if one is going to be accurate and truthful here, one must provide the good AND the bad.

    "they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren’t part of their tribe."

    People who truly enjoy books, whether it be fiction or non-fiction, will revel in the author's regardless of their heritage.

    "Civic nationalism will fail."

    Highly doubtful.

    "Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended."

    Genetics is NOT the end all and be all for immigrants "getting on board" with a political and economic system. Remember, nativists in the 1850's were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a "lesser breed", as well as in the late 1800's of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were "of a lower class of people". Yet, the Irish, Germans, Italians, and Slavs through their hard work and determination (read: environmental factors) overcame nativist resentment. Remember, ethnic mixing in Europe was generally viewed as undesirable. In the United States, it eventually become "normal". Furthermore, it was not the "Anglo-Saxon" system, it was a system that incorporated Enlightenment ideals from England and France, as well as government ideals from ancient Rome and Greece, and even the Iroquois.

    "But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us."

    No, that is not entirely accurate.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameri

    Remember, nativists in the 1850′s were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a “lesser breed”, as well as in the late 1800′s of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were “of a lower class of people”.

    Assuming this isn’t mostly BS as I suspect, I’ve never understood what it’s supposed to prove. If anti-Whites are trying to argue that “nativists” cried wolf in the past, and therefore should be ignored today, I wonder if they actually read the story – all the way to the end.

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  138. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Isn't all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?

    If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity. Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn't have moved there. However, if you repeatedly tell these groups' children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites, they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren't part of their tribe.

    Why would a high school that is now 50% Hispanic, 11% black, 14% Asian and only 24% white be named after a Confederate general? Hispanics and Asians have no connection to that past. Black kids sure don't want the name.

    Civic nationalism will fail. Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended.

    But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us.

    In the end, these black, Hispanic, Asian and South Asian SJWs are right in one sense: U.S. history and literature is not their history and literature. Maybe if they lived in a different country, they could admire it because it wouldn't threaten their position. But they don't. They live here. And that means that each group must push for as much of the pie as possible. Tearing down the past helps in that cause by weakening white pride so it will continue.

    This game is only beginning. If whites want to protect their history and culture, they will have to do it on their own.

    Populations in America change very fast. Starting 50 years ago liberals began changing schools named after White presidents to Booker Washington MLK George Carver to accommodate the blacks.

    Then those schools changed to 80 90 percent Hispanic or Asian. So now the non Whites want more changes.

    There are probably schools that went from George Washington to Booker Washington to Cesar Chavez in just 59 years.

    Maybe naming schools something like north east high or 5st middle might be a way to avoid all these problems.

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  139. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @luther van grossed
    Wait till they hear that Jane Austen wrote her books supported by the income from her family's slave plantations in the West Indies. Actually feminists found this out 25 years ago when Edward Said drew attention to it (the only worthwile thing he ever did).

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn't register with the illiterate young anyway. 'Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!'

    Edward Said was totally wrong about the Austen’s owning or having anything to do with slave plantations in Antigua or any other Caribbean island.

    After the father died the entire Austen family was supported by the earnings of 5 of the sons as bankers and navy officers.

    Most of the family’s support came from the
    6 th son. I think it was Edward He was adopted by the very wealthy Knight family. The couple had no children so Edward was the heir. Edward helped set up his brothers in business and get promotions in the Navy.
    Jane her sister and mother lived rent free in a house on Edward’s grand estate.

    One book, Mansfield Park was about the very wealthy Bertram family of Mansfield Park. Some of their money came from their Mansfield Park estate in England. They did own a business in Antigua. The book did not claim the business was a plantation, just called it business affairs in Antigua.

    Mansfield Park is based on Cinderella, King Lear and Penelope’s problems keeping the kingdom together while Ulysses was sailing around taking 10 years to get home from the Trojan war.

    The father of the Mansfield Park family, Sir Thomas Bertram had to travel to Antigua for 2 years because of the war of 1812. It was a plot device to get the stern father away so the young people could get in trouble while he was gone.

    10 years later the Napoleobic wars were over and fictional stern English fathers could go to the continent as a plot device.

    Edward Said or any idiot intellectual who claimed the Austen’s had any connection to Caribbean plantations is just plain wrong, like virtually every college professor and liberal intellectual since 1950.

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  140. @Anonymous
    The end of F. Paul Wilson LIPIDLEGGIN’, 1978.

    The protagonist has just successfully corrupted a Federal Narc sniffing around for illegal eggs & ham being sold ...

    I follow him to the door where I see Gabe and a couple of the boys from the mill coming up the road with shotguns cradled in their arms. I wave them off and tell them thanks anyway. Then I watch the guy drive off.

    I guess I can't tell a Fed when I see one, but I can name anybody's poison. Anybody's.
    I glance down at the pile of newspapers I leave on the outside bench. Around the rock that holds it down I can see where some committee of giraffes has announced that it will recommend the banning of Bugs Bunny cartoons from theaters and the airwaves. The creature, they say, shows a complete disregard for authority and is not fit viewing for children.

    Well, I've been expecting that and dubbed up a few minidisks of some of Bugs' finest moments. Don't want the kids around here to grow up without the Wabbit.
    I also hear talk about a coming federal campaign against being overweight. Bad health risk, they say. Rumor has it they're going to outlaw clothes over a certain size. That's just rumor, of course... still, I'll bet there's an angle in there for me.
     

    Anonymous, Thank you!

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  141. Corn says:
    @donut
    I read a history of the Comanches by T. R. Fehrenbach . He describes one incident where a raiding party had made off with some captives . A rescue party gave chase and finally caught up with them and surrounded them on a hill top at dusk . They decided to wait until daylight to attack . The Indians knowing they would die in the morning spent the night raping and torturing their captives .
    They were savages what can you say ? They put up a better fight to save their land and way of life than we are .
    The book was published in the 70's so there has been some criticism of it more recently for inaccuracies . It's still a good read .
    A more recent book by a Finn , Pekka Hamalainen , "The Comanche Empire" is probably better and gives the lie to any Mexican claims to the Southwest . The Comanches drove the Mexicans and the Apaches out of Texas and and used the New Mexico and northern Mexican settlements as a source of slaves , livestock and tribute .

    “ The Comanches drove the Mexicans and the Apaches out of Texas and and used the New Mexico and northern Mexican settlements as a source of slaves , livestock and tribute .”

    During the Civil War when Texas’s men were fighting the Civil War back east, the Comanche also pushed the frontier 70-100 miles back against the whites.

    If the Comanche weren’t the toughest tribe Americans fought during the westward expansion, they’re definitely in the running.

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  142. Dissident says:
    @luther van grossed
    Wait till they hear that Jane Austen wrote her books supported by the income from her family's slave plantations in the West Indies. Actually feminists found this out 25 years ago when Edward Said drew attention to it (the only worthwile thing he ever did).

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn't register with the illiterate young anyway. 'Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!'

    But I see google has Austen listed as a writer of movie scripts so I guess it wouldn’t register with the illiterate young anyway. ‘Jane Austen? Yeah I love Clueless!’

    I wonder how many of the younger generation, upon hearing the title Pride and Prejudice, assume it must be The story of one man’s heroic struggle against homophobic bigotry or something like that.

    Incidentally (and in the final days of “Pride Month”, no less), would anyone happen to know what the story is with the Gay Patriot web site?

    The site bills itself as, “the internet home for American gay conservatives”. A post on the homepage dated May 20th informs the visitor that “This blog is no longer active.”

    Thankfully, the archives are still available for viewing, as I found some worthwhile and even surprisingly instructive content– content that one should be able to appreciate and value regardless of one’s sexual orientation, practices, affiliations or identity.

    Two examples:
    1.) http://www.gaypatriot.net/2018/05/08/the-intellectual-dark-web/
    Not only is our host, Mr. Steven Sailer, positively mentioned in the comments but the post itself seems very much in the iSteve style, especially the ending quip:
    “Right. Can’t have the left-wing’s trendy social causes debunked by actual science.”

    2.) http://www.gaypatriot.net/2018/05/03/his-own-business/
    concerns a survivor of the Pulse Nightclub massacre of 2016 who, in his own words, “made a conscious choice to leave homosexuality”. About this, the author of the blog post says,

    I can’t say for sure that he has really been changed, and you can’t say for sure that he hasn’t. But the point ought to be, he has made a free choice, for himself, and he isn’t harming anyone else by living as he has chosen to live. His choice ought to be respected.

    Excerpts from two of the comments:

    I accept homosexuality as “normal” among a small percentage of humans. But I don’t accept everything which homosexuals dream up as “normal” and healthy in the public square. Ironically, that means that some flamboyant homosexuals believe I need conversion therapy. What a world.

    - “Heliotrope”

    [...]the heart of the error is turning what should be an adjective (gay, straight, etc.) into a noun.
    [...]
    What he should find support from all quarters is that he’s determined to center his identity around someone (something) other than his sexuality. That’s what matters.

    - “civil truth”

    [...]I can honestly say that giving up the idea that I could be with another man and live a normal life has been very freeing. I have not been converted to being straight, nor do I think I could be. But I HAVE chosen to be single and non-sexual, and that choice has made me more content then ever before.

    - Tadford

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  143. Dissing Half-pint. It has come to this?

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  144. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Isn’t all of this destruction of history fairly predictable?"

    No.

    "If you change the racial/ethnic demographics of a country, you should expect that the new population will have little reverance, if not outright dislike, for the historical icons of the previous race or ethnicity."

    The decision was made by a division of the ALA, which consists of white people. They fell victim to the machinations of the Coalition of the Right and Left Fringe groups. While understandably this action is deplorable, in the overall scheme of things--a children's book award--it's something that will pass.

    "Yes, you could argue that various peoples migrating to white homelands must have liked something about those countries/cultures or else they wouldn’t have moved there."

    A powerful argument, indeed.

    "However, if you repeatedly tell these groups’ children that these great societies were built on exploitation and not the prowess of whites..."

    Built on BOTH the prowess and exploitation of different groups of people, you mean to say. See, if one is going to be accurate and truthful here, one must provide the good AND the bad.

    "they will have no desire to honor white historical icons because a) they contributed to the exploitation and b) they aren’t part of their tribe."

    People who truly enjoy books, whether it be fiction or non-fiction, will revel in the author's regardless of their heritage.

    "Civic nationalism will fail."

    Highly doubtful.

    "Yes, it worked reasonably well when the immigrants were other Europeans who were similar enough genetically to get on board with the Anglo-Saxon system, especially when that system was strongly promoted and defended."

    Genetics is NOT the end all and be all for immigrants "getting on board" with a political and economic system. Remember, nativists in the 1850's were clear in their hatred of the Irish and Germans, whom they thought were of a "lesser breed", as well as in the late 1800's of Italians and Slavs, whom they believed were "of a lower class of people". Yet, the Irish, Germans, Italians, and Slavs through their hard work and determination (read: environmental factors) overcame nativist resentment. Remember, ethnic mixing in Europe was generally viewed as undesirable. In the United States, it eventually become "normal". Furthermore, it was not the "Anglo-Saxon" system, it was a system that incorporated Enlightenment ideals from England and France, as well as government ideals from ancient Rome and Greece, and even the Iroquois.

    "But the genetic differences of the new crop of immigrants is too much to overcome. They are not whites in brown face just waiting to become new versions of us."

    No, that is not entirely accurate.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameri

    The issue with the Irish and Germans was their religion not their race or nationality. Protestant Irish and Germans were welcomed without issue. (Thomas Nast, himself a German Protestant, mocked German Catholics as well as the Irish in his cartoons.)

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    "The issue with the Irish and Germans was their religion not their race or nationality."

    Nast was (in)famous for drawing the Irish as half-savages. His and other depictions were based on the Irish's distinct ethnic features.

    http://www.victoriana.com/history/irish-political-cartoons.html
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  145. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us. They will do what every tribe does, push for more power.

    Btw, that's not an indictment of them, it's an indictment of whites. We're the only race that seems to think that our shit don't stink. We've been on top for so long that we've forgotten what it took to get there. Other groups haven't.

    Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do. I have no idea how that will play out, but the end game is assured by nature. This is what always happens. We will not escape this natural phenomenon anymore that we can escape death.

    I will say this, however. If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group. People forget how amazing whites can be when they put their mind to something. We're a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off.

    that group of whites would be really pissed off.

    #include

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    Bah, humbug.  That should have read:

    #include <Kipling's "Wrath of the Awakened Saxon">
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  146. Dissident says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Good riddance to bad rubbish

    Tiny, if whites are so depraved and oppressive and white societies so rife with “systemic racism”, etc., then why,
    (a) do so many non-whites continue to voluntarily leave their countries of birth in order to flock to majority-white nations?
    and
    (b) so few non-whites voluntarily leave majority white nations for non-white ones?

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    white peoples hog all the good land and society

    You didn't think through that question did you?
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  147. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us. They will do what every tribe does, push for more power.

    Btw, that's not an indictment of them, it's an indictment of whites. We're the only race that seems to think that our shit don't stink. We've been on top for so long that we've forgotten what it took to get there. Other groups haven't.

    Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do. I have no idea how that will play out, but the end game is assured by nature. This is what always happens. We will not escape this natural phenomenon anymore that we can escape death.

    I will say this, however. If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group. People forget how amazing whites can be when they put their mind to something. We're a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off.

    “Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us.”

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates. And guess what? It didn’t happen then, and it won’t happen now. Should we have immigration restrictions? Absolutely. Should business owners be prosecuted for hiring illegals? Definitely. Are non-white immigrants generally dangerous who outright refuse to embrace our ways of life? Hell, no.

    “Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do.”

    OR, whites will make their own decisions, like they always have and always will, about race and culture. Remember, free association.

    “If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group.”

    Says who? MUST all whites engage in this behavior just to sate your blood lust?

    “We’re a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off.”

    But I thought today’s white men are generally low T soy boys. Yet, somehow they will go all Hulk when they realize that they have been played the fool? Praytell, will you be front and center as they unleash their Anglo-Saxon anger, or will you be on the sidelines, on any person–man, woman, and child–deemed an “enemy”?

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    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us.”

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates.

     

    Dunno. Latinx don't look much like Italians, or Poles, or Germans, or Irish.....


    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iVIT-x0rjBg/WHOH7QH8nNI/AAAAAAAAX1M/kPvhUm0spg4wGhtG41r8mqRmzkzMdo5jQCLcB/s1600/Pablo_Gomez_Berkeley_2.JPG

    https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_30/1139931/150724-julian-castro-jsw-03-245p_bcc7fb5179a9d94492d53849aae9df48.1200;630;7;70;5.jpg

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg
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  148. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus
    "Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us."

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates. And guess what? It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Should we have immigration restrictions? Absolutely. Should business owners be prosecuted for hiring illegals? Definitely. Are non-white immigrants generally dangerous who outright refuse to embrace our ways of life? Hell, no.

    "Whites will either relearn that tribe matters or we will be absorbed into other tribes that do."

    OR, whites will make their own decisions, like they always have and always will, about race and culture. Remember, free association.

    "If a certain portion of whites do find their inner tribal feeling and finally band together, that will be one awesome, kick-ass group."

    Says who? MUST all whites engage in this behavior just to sate your blood lust?

    "We’re a truly terrifying bunch when unleashed. And that group of whites would be really pissed off."

    But I thought today's white men are generally low T soy boys. Yet, somehow they will go all Hulk when they realize that they have been played the fool? Praytell, will you be front and center as they unleash their Anglo-Saxon anger, or will you be on the sidelines, on any person--man, woman, and child--deemed an "enemy"?

    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us.”

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates.

    Dunno. Latinx don’t look much like Italians, or Poles, or Germans, or Irish…..

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    "Dunno. Latinx don’t look much like Italians, or Poles, or Germans, or Irish….."

    You mean Latinos, or Hispanics. The most important thing is that they are people. Perhaps Sunday services are in order for you. A little Jesus in your life would not hurt. Pray to the virgin of Guadalupe.
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  149. Dissident says:
    @joeyjoejoe
    This is very similar to a story I read recently about the Harvard Medical Center agreeing to remove pictures of previous presidents (Because they are all white) and replacing them with something else that is multicultural (not sure what-nurses, multicultural random group shots, something).

    The important issue here is not that Laura Ingals Wilder is being removed, or that white successful men (successful in terms of the very organization that is displaying their photographs) are being removed (or, for that matter, that statues of Confederate Generals are being removed).

    The issue is that there is no intellectual justification for ever saying 'no' to progressive demands. If one is willing to bend the rules to allow non-whites to enter in spite of being less than qualified (Harvard Medical School for the doctors, children's literature canon for LIW), why wouldn't a demand to remove one arbitrary children's writer (or a bunch of pictures of white men from 1925) be honored? The significant victory (bend the rules for me) was already established. Insignificant victories (take down pictures I don't like: read a different kids' book from the tens of thousands available; remove Confederate Generals' memorials) are inevitable.

    It is honestly odd to witness the dismantling of an entire civilization* in real time, as quickly as its happening. We are all vaguely aware that when the Roman Empire fell, it must have done something similar: but I think our sense is that it took a few hundred years to happen. Our civilization is literally crumbing in one generation.

    Joe

    *what do I mean by this? Again; its not that Laura Ingals Wilder was the key to Western Civilization. It is that there is simply no standard of achievement or behavior that can justifiably be held in opposition to multiculturalism. There is no defensible 'line' at which anyone-Harvard administrators, Librarians, your children's school principle, etc, can say 'no, that's too far.'

    It is honestly odd to witness the dismantling of an entire civilization* in real time, as quickly as its happening. We are all vaguely aware that when the Roman Empire fell, it must have done something similar: but I think our sense is that it took a few hundred years to happen. Our civilization is literally crumbing in one generation.

    You don’t see the rot beginning beginning to manifest itself by the 1960′s, if not earlier? There is no question that Western civ has been on the decline for a lot longer than one generation. The only question is just how much longer.

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  150. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

    https://d3p157427w54jq.cloudfront.net/uploads/2013/11/51a132c5-0da3-4421-95ca-6458fb9e0bfa-GilligansIslandFashion-642-380-619-386.jpg

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    As a kid I preferred Ginger, but the character and the woman who played her have aged very poorly. Mary Ann and Dawn Wells have emerged the undisputed winner.

    Tina Louise blamed Ginger for stereotyping her and keeping her from the roles she needed to build “a real career”, but what killed Tina Louise’s career was Tina Louise.

    The character “Ginger Grant” was an obvious spoof of Marilyn Monroe, devised before Monroe died. It should have been renamed or replaced then, but it wasn’t. Originally , they wanted “The Poor Man’s Marilyn Monroe”, Jayne Mansfield, to play her but Mansfield, under the odd belief that she owed Monroe something (MM and Jayne were like Dino and Elvis. Elvis worshipped Dean, Dean thought Elvis a dumbass hick…) declined the role “out of respect”. As it turned out, it would have saved her life since she wouldn’t have been riding in a Buick going across Louisiana at 90 mph to do some pissant appearance if she had the role. Louise was a second pick and claimed she was ‘shanghaied’ into it. She bitched constantly for all three years about the job.

    The funny thing is if she wanted to be like Monroe that bad, she should have done what Monroe did when obligated to do what she considered an infra-dig role. She just didn’t do it. She didn’t show up and they thundered how she’d never work again, bla bla bla. MM knew she put asses in the seats and that was that. Of course she would work again. (See The Girl in the Pink Tights, a never made film whose story is well documented.)

    Louise was attractive, had a good body-not MM-level attractive, but still decent- and was a MOTT to boot, so she’d work. But she wasn’t going to turn down a steady check, even a smallish one, and she didn’t want to fade a little heat.

    What Louise was not, was a very good actress. She wasn’t good at all. That didn’t matter that much on the small screen in those days, but she wanted to be in film and there it mattered more. Still, given the times, if she had dumped Gilligan early on, made up some crap about health issues, etc, she might have had something resembling a film career. Who knows? As it was, she was so rotten to work with on the Gilligan set no one else in TV wanted her after that.

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  151. hhsiii says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I learned everything from Gilligan's Island after school. That explains a lot about me.

    https://d3p157427w54jq.cloudfront.net/uploads/2013/11/51a132c5-0da3-4421-95ca-6458fb9e0bfa-GilligansIslandFashion-642-380-619-386.jpg

    BTW I am a Mary Ann man.

    I met Tina Louise at some networking event back in the early ‘90s at a bar in midtown. Prof. Irwin Corey was also there with his wife. He was hilarious. No one knew who he was. His wife said they just came for the free food. And Tina Louise still looked great. She came by our office for some legal issue a few weeks later so I guess the networking worked, although I think she just liked one of my colleagues about 30 years her junior.

    I loved Dawn Welles too and if she aged as well more power to her.

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  152. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:

    My experience with anyone holding the Master’s of Library Science degree is that almost without exception they are very stupid and bovine. When MLS programs came in and the old bluehaired pol’s wives were replaced by Library Professionals, libraries went to shit.

    The level of stupidity at my local library system (Johnson County, KS) is breathtaking.

    For years, Kansas City had no less than five public library systems. In the eighties and nineties, the Mid-Continent and KCMO systems were often much more useful than JoCoLib, because they had the political hacks (KCMO) and farm wives (Mid Continent) who actually did some useful work, versus the MLS people.

    Now, Johnson County hires almost no one besides light-mestizos from South and Central American countries which have semi-decent colleges, because they are the only “bilingual” candidates they can find. They are there to serve a population of (largely) Mexican, and occasionally Salvadorean or Honduran, indios and heavy-mestizos who are illiterate and who use the library as a crash pad, to use the computers and flip through Spanish language magazines a little. The Spanish books don’t circulate, but they buy them anyway.

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  153. “You don’t see the rot beginning beginning to manifest itself by the 1960′s, if not earlier? There is no question that Western civ has been on the decline for a lot longer than one generation. The only question is just how much longer.”

    I was born in the 1960′s. I’m not yet an old man.

    joe

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  154. @Mr. Rational

    that group of whites would be really pissed off.
     
    #include

    Bah, humbug.  That should have read:

    #include <Kipling’s “Wrath of the Awakened Saxon”>

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  155. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous
    The issue with the Irish and Germans was their religion not their race or nationality. Protestant Irish and Germans were welcomed without issue. (Thomas Nast, himself a German Protestant, mocked German Catholics as well as the Irish in his cartoons.)

    “The issue with the Irish and Germans was their religion not their race or nationality.”

    Nast was (in)famous for drawing the Irish as half-savages. His and other depictions were based on the Irish’s distinct ethnic features.

    http://www.victoriana.com/history/irish-political-cartoons.html

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  156. black sea says:
    @Anonymous
    My experience with anyone holding the Master's of Library Science degree is that almost without exception they are very stupid and bovine. When MLS programs came in and the old bluehaired pol's wives were replaced by Library Professionals, libraries went to shit.

    The level of stupidity at my local library system (Johnson County, KS) is breathtaking.

    For years, Kansas City had no less than five public library systems. In the eighties and nineties, the Mid-Continent and KCMO systems were often much more useful than JoCoLib, because they had the political hacks (KCMO) and farm wives (Mid Continent) who actually did some useful work, versus the MLS people.

    Now, Johnson County hires almost no one besides light-mestizos from South and Central American countries which have semi-decent colleges, because they are the only "bilingual" candidates they can find. They are there to serve a population of (largely) Mexican, and occasionally Salvadorean or Honduran, indios and heavy-mestizos who are illiterate and who use the library as a crash pad, to use the computers and flip through Spanish language magazines a little. The Spanish books don't circulate, but they buy them anyway.

    I ‘ve known a number of librarians, but haven’t spoken much with more than a couple at any length about their work and colleagues. The two whom I have had such discussions with both described their profession and work environment as stiflingly, and at times ludicrously, PC. Both were gay men, by the way. They tried to keep a sense of humor about it all, but you could see that they found it disturbing, especially since both were white men, and the anti-white and anti-male biases were quite open and prevalent.

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    >librarians
    >gay men
    >described their profession and work environment as stiflingly, and at times ludicrously, PC.
    >disturbed by the quite open and prevalent anti-white and anti-male biases

    Yet more evidence (albeit anecdotal) that the 'one big, happy, diverse family' veneer that the Coalition of the Fringes projects for public consumption is a far cry from the reality underneath.

    Whether in matters political, sexual or other, the 'Gay Community' is extremely intolerant of any dissent from the orthodoxy it enforces.
    For some examples, see gaypatriot.net and man2manalliance.org (GRAPHIC CONTENT at latter site)

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  157. Tiny Duck says:
    @Dissident
    Tiny, if whites are so depraved and oppressive and white societies so rife with "systemic racism", etc., then why,
    (a) do so many non-whites continue to voluntarily leave their countries of birth in order to flock to majority-white nations?
    and
    (b) so few non-whites voluntarily leave majority white nations for non-white ones?

    white peoples hog all the good land and society

    You didn’t think through that question did you?

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    white peoples hog all the good land and society
     
    Quite a bit of desirable land in countries ruled and populated by non-whites.
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  158. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    Other racial/ethnic groups are not here to become us; they are here to replace us.”

    Exactly what nativists thought when the Irish, Germans, Poles, and later Italians came crashing through our gates.

     

    Dunno. Latinx don't look much like Italians, or Poles, or Germans, or Irish.....


    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iVIT-x0rjBg/WHOH7QH8nNI/AAAAAAAAX1M/kPvhUm0spg4wGhtG41r8mqRmzkzMdo5jQCLcB/s1600/Pablo_Gomez_Berkeley_2.JPG

    https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_30/1139931/150724-julian-castro-jsw-03-245p_bcc7fb5179a9d94492d53849aae9df48.1200;630;7;70;5.jpg

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Miscellaneous/Other/aztecs.jpg

    “Dunno. Latinx don’t look much like Italians, or Poles, or Germans, or Irish…..”

    You mean Latinos, or Hispanics. The most important thing is that they are people. Perhaps Sunday services are in order for you. A little Jesus in your life would not hurt. Pray to the virgin of Guadalupe.

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  159. @Buzz Mohawk

    (In case anyone’s wondering what I’m doing in the children’s room, the Linux hackers group I attend uses a conference room that’s in the back of the children’s room.)
     
    Sure buddy, that's what they all say.

    It’s true. Now if you asked, should some the characters in this club be given the opportunity to walk through the children’s room, well, that’s a fair question. But this is the room we were given. I’m sure most of us would have preferred a conference room next to the science fiction books.

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    Now if you asked, should some [of] the characters in this club be given the opportunity to walk through the children’s room, well, that’s a fair question.
     
    Is it really, though? What harm, realistically, could anyone do simply by walking through? Are there unsupervised children present at the time people begin to arrive for your Linux User's Group (LUG) meetings? And even if there are, would any of the adults walking through the children's room have the opportunity to be alone with any of the children, out of sight of other adults?

    Putting this sub-tangent aside and returning to the parenthetical preemptive statement of yours that began this diversion, I must ask: Does it really make sense for mere familiarity with the children's room of a public library on the part of a man to be grounds for suspicion? Are there not any number of perfectly legitimate and plausible explanations for such? Even if not a parent, perhaps the man-in-question accompanies child relatives or volunteers, etc. Or simply wishes or even needs to be familiar with such matters. (E.g., one who is involved at some level in education, community affairs or politics.)

    Perhaps I am missing something here but I find both your initial parenthetical comment and, certainly, this response of yours to Buzz Mohawk's apparently facetious response to the former, evidence of what John Derbyshire and others have called pedo-hysteria. This is the same phenomenon that accounts for people being harrassed and having the police called on them for the perfectly legal and utterly harmless activity of photographing children in public.

    Or perhaps mocking pedo-hysteria was your intent in the first place?

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  160. IBC says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The general pattern was that the better an American knew American Indians, the less he thought of them. The Westerner Twain knew Indians pretty well and hated them.

    That pattern was less true for how well a writer knew blacks.

    Wow. With just a few changes, the sentiments of Twain’s essay could read like something from Susan Sontag or even worse, though I admit that there’s also some humor there. But I don’t know if he missed the news at the time or if he only read the more subjective, Rah-Rah-Rah, settler accounts of it; but some of what he says is extremely ironic given what had happened at the Sand Creek Massacre only six years before:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre

    As you know, a writer can get a stronger response by either echoing his intended audience’s perspective or by flat-out challenging it. There isn’t much of a market for moderation. Twain probably did have a genuinely contemptuous view of American Indians at the time he wrote this, and that was a common and convenient attitude among “westerners” of the day. But perhaps, since this was originally published in a literary magazine based in New York City, he was also angling for a rise from some of the more morally-squeamish East Coast establishment-types of the day who may have started to have second-thoughts about the ongoing American colonization of the West and the fate of the peoples whose traditional ways of life stood in the way of that project.

    By the way, I once attended a presentation given by a Cree Indian from Quebec. He was a big guy –big enough to tear someone like Samuel Clemens almost literally in twain. Steve, as you’ve mentioned, there is a bias towards taller people in our society. There have been studies where people have overestimated the actual height of those they perceived to be of higher social status and underestimated those of perceived lower status. Americans Indians of the Great Basin and the Sierras may not have been as tall as Plains Indians. But Twain specifically mentions Plains Indians; and in pictures, he himself doesn’t look particularly tall for that time period; and presumably he also wore boots or shoes instead of mocassins or going barefoot…

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  161. Dissident says:
    @black sea
    I 've known a number of librarians, but haven't spoken much with more than a couple at any length about their work and colleagues. The two whom I have had such discussions with both described their profession and work environment as stiflingly, and at times ludicrously, PC. Both were gay men, by the way. They tried to keep a sense of humor about it all, but you could see that they found it disturbing, especially since both were white men, and the anti-white and anti-male biases were quite open and prevalent.

    >librarians
    >gay men
    >described their profession and work environment as stiflingly, and at times ludicrously, PC.
    >disturbed by the quite open and prevalent anti-white and anti-male biases

    Yet more evidence (albeit anecdotal) that the ‘one big, happy, diverse family’ veneer that the Coalition of the Fringes projects for public consumption is a far cry from the reality underneath.

    Whether in matters political, sexual or other, the ‘Gay Community’ is extremely intolerant of any dissent from the orthodoxy it enforces.
    For some examples, see gaypatriot.net and man2manalliance.org (GRAPHIC CONTENT at latter site)

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  162. Dissident says:
    @Tiny Duck
    white peoples hog all the good land and society

    You didn't think through that question did you?

    white peoples hog all the good land and society

    Quite a bit of desirable land in countries ruled and populated by non-whites.

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  164. Dissident says:
    @International Jew
    It's true. Now if you asked, should some the characters in this club be given the opportunity to walk through the children's room, well, that's a fair question. But this is the room we were given. I'm sure most of us would have preferred a conference room next to the science fiction books.

    Now if you asked, should some [of] the characters in this club be given the opportunity to walk through the children’s room, well, that’s a fair question.

    Is it really, though? What harm, realistically, could anyone do simply by walking through? Are there unsupervised children present at the time people begin to arrive for your Linux User’s Group (LUG) meetings? And even if there are, would any of the adults walking through the children’s room have the opportunity to be alone with any of the children, out of sight of other adults?

    Putting this sub-tangent aside and returning to the parenthetical preemptive statement of yours that began this diversion, I must ask: Does it really make sense for mere familiarity with the children’s room of a public library on the part of a man to be grounds for suspicion? Are there not any number of perfectly legitimate and plausible explanations for such? Even if not a parent, perhaps the man-in-question accompanies child relatives or volunteers, etc. Or simply wishes or even needs to be familiar with such matters. (E.g., one who is involved at some level in education, community affairs or politics.)

    Perhaps I am missing something here but I find both your initial parenthetical comment and, certainly, this response of yours to Buzz Mohawk’s apparently facetious response to the former, evidence of what John Derbyshire and others have called pedo-hysteria. This is the same phenomenon that accounts for people being harrassed and having the police called on them for the perfectly legal and utterly harmless activity of photographing children in public.

    Or perhaps mocking pedo-hysteria was your intent in the first place?

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  165. MBlanc46 says:
    @Corvinus
    Absolutely unbelievable for the ALSC to pull this stunt and succumb to Coalition of the Left Fringe group pressure.

    Are they succumbing to the Coalition of the Fringes, or are they a part of the Coalition of the Fringes?

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  166. Louisa May Alcott said some pretty contemptuous things about the Irish. Are her books next, or is dissing bog-trotters not as heinous as hostility towards Indigenous First Nations?

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