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Huh …

The average British person’s DNA is now 40% non-European? Who knew? So in a little while, the average British person’s DNA will be 51% non-European … ergo Brexit is good?

I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.

Alastair Campbell, by the way, is likely the inspiration for Peter Capaldi’s spin-meister Malcolm Tucker in The Thick of It and In the Loop:

 
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  1. Purple is 50% blue. See, purple doesn’t really exist.

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  2. So, does that mean Brits are 40% oppressed?

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  3. Until recently, I’d guess that the average American’s DNA was at least 60% European, so I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution.

    Sound logic.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution."
     
    Given the regal powers our Executive and Judiciary have assumed, and given the sclerotic tendencies the legislature has assumed (The US Senate has less turnover than the House of Lords), a return to rule by Westminster and the Crown might not be such a bad thing. Maybe we could do a reverse takeover, a "merger of equals" so to say, and find some way to keep the best bits while looking for synergies.
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  4. Benjamin Jealous a member of the NAACP who took a DNA test is genetically 80% European. So the average Brit is significantly less European than some “Black” members of the NAACP!

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    • Replies: @Thomm
    80.9% to be exact.

    Even Henry Louis Gates was making fun of Benjamin Jealous, saying that 'You are the whitest black man I have ever tested'.

    https://youtu.be/aEFMsUBGsac?t=2889
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  5. I wonder if someone will submit, “Because a thousand years ago Norman invaders raped my Saxon ancestors.”

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Well there's certainly some 'harrying" going on, that's for sure. The harrying of the nativists. And yes, some of these PC virtue signalers will certainly have upper class Norman origins.
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  6. WTF?

    Where do you begin with how bizarre this ad is. The initial argument is that Britain should stick with the EU because they have a genetic connection to other white Europeans but then turns 180 with the black chick who says that Europe is a part of her because she believes in “people coming together.”

    So the DNA connection doesn’t mean a thing? So if I say, Europe can piss off because “I don’t like douchey French accents,” wouldn’t that have just as much validity.

    Does DNA matter or not? Apparently not if you’re going to include someone of African decent, so why bring up the 60% thing.

    Also, aren’t Brits and Irish genetically almost identical? So Ireland should reunite with Britain? I mean, they’re a lot more than 60% similar.

    Then there is Cheryl Baker telling Brits to get back into the EU fold because she won the EuroVision (whatever the hell that is) more than 25 years ago. So because you won some American Idol contest (I have no idea what she’s talking about, btw) 60 million people should just shut up.

    Hey, Stanley Johnson, I can also trace my family back to Germany, should the U.S. join the E.U.

    Finally, there’s Iain Dale arguing that Brits should allow themselves to be controled by Brussels unelected, elitist bureaucrats in Brussels because it’s something that HE’S proud of. Well, bully for you, dickweed. I’m proud of my kid. Should Britain make her the queen?

    I seriously think that Cult of Equality side has been in charge for so long that they no longer even know how ridiculous they are. They’re a bunch of Marie Antionette’s telling us to just eat cake.

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    • Replies: @istevefan

    The initial argument is that Britain should stick with the EU because they have a genetic connection to other white Europeans but then turns 180 with the black chick who says that Europe is a part of her because she believes in “people coming together.”

     

    One should ask the British elite if they love their DNA connection with the rest of Europe so much, why are they working overtime to make Britain's DNA connections with Europe less and less?

    Then there is Cheryl Baker telling Brits to get back into the EU fold because she won the EuroVision (whatever the hell that is) more than 25 years ago. So because you won some American Idol contest (I have no idea what she’s talking about, btw) 60 million people should just shut up.
     
    Eurovision isn't limited to EU member nations. Israel and Russia, for example, compete in it. So Britain could still compete in it post-Brexit.
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  7. One wonders at what specific time periods during the past 2,000 years Britain has been introduced to non-European DNA.

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  8. TPTB must have calculated that 60/40 is the optimal ratio to balance their two desired-but-conflicting outcomes:

    1) Augment the Cheddar Man brainwashing of Britons to make them subconsciously think they are 40% not white, adding to the lie that their Cheddar cheesy ancestor was not white

    2) Make them think that they are mostly “European” and only 40% British Islander, or something like that, so they will feel like their country really should be joined with those other Europeans.

    It’s a twisted kind of doublethink deceit in which “40%” has two opposite meanings, black and white.

    And it is deliberate.

    What they say about the devious people who are pulling this crap on us must be true. They must really be smarter and more clever than us to set mind traps like that.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s a twisted kind of doublethink deceit in which “40%” has two opposite meanings, black and white.
     
    Correction: Actually, if the British buy into the black Cheddar Man lie, then "40%" means black in both cases. Subconsciously at least, victims of this propaganda will have some sense that they are 40% black and 60% white, with the white part being European.

    They are being told to politically rejoin their white brothers in Europe while simultaneously letting more of their non-white brothers into their country.

    Wow...this stuff really goes down rabbit holes.

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  9. What white supremacists don’t understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don’t exist. Africans don’t have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

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    • Replies: @larry lurker

    ... and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself ...
     
    I laughed out loud, thanks. And yet some commenters will still bite...
    , @Pat Hannagan
    True genius!
    , @Kylie
    Susan, is that you??

    I thought the white race had killed you!
    , @anonymous
    We’re all Tiny Duck Fans aren’t we?
    , @Rosamond Vincy

    and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself
     
    You left out "fat." Or is that included in "Lesbian"?
    , @Father O'Hara
    Duck,you're the best. My question,are you on this site under another ID also? Whorefinder?
    , @MBlanc46
    Tiny! Don’t drop the facade. You’re much better playing it straight.Tiny! Don’t drop the facade. You’re much better playing it straight.
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  10. What is the other 40%, exactly? It might be British.

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    • Replies: @yurivku
    Arabic? African?
    , @Olorin
    "The average British person's DNA is 60% European."

    What does this mean exactly? Adjusted mean? Or median? Or what?

    Is "the average British person" all people in the UK added up and divided by N?

    It sounds to me like Ancestry UK is trying to break it to the recently injected/bred melanists slowly that, geeheckgolly, we were kinda wrong about Europeans being satan and stuff, coz you too iz Euro.

    I don't know why anybody bothers to waste money on psychotropic drugs anymore when there's bashit PR campaigns like this one aplenty. I've seen so many I'm developing an end-stage case of Tucker Listening Face.
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  11. No, they mean from the continent of Europe, and 40% from the British Isles.

    BTW what’s all this fuss over the dark-skinned Cheddar man? They discovered a 7K year old skeleton in Span w/the same combo, dark skin & light eyes.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/early-europeans-had-dark-skin-blue-eyes/5220090

    But the rendering in the Spanish case was more swarthy, not black, so it didn’t stir up the same response.

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    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    IIRC, Steve's description on the 7K year old skeleton when that story broke was "Russell Crowe with a tan".

    Derb does a great breakdown on WE WUZ CHEDDAR here: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/progressives-love-science-but-dont-know-any-the-case-of-the-dark-skinned-prehistoric-briton/
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  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    TPTB must have calculated that 60/40 is the optimal ratio to balance their two desired-but-conflicting outcomes:

    1) Augment the Cheddar Man brainwashing of Britons to make them subconsciously think they are 40% not white, adding to the lie that their Cheddar cheesy ancestor was not white

    2) Make them think that they are mostly "European" and only 40% British Islander, or something like that, so they will feel like their country really should be joined with those other Europeans.

    It's a twisted kind of doublethink deceit in which "40%" has two opposite meanings, black and white.

    And it is deliberate.

    What they say about the devious people who are pulling this crap on us must be true. They must really be smarter and more clever than us to set mind traps like that.

    It’s a twisted kind of doublethink deceit in which “40%” has two opposite meanings, black and white.

    Correction: Actually, if the British buy into the black Cheddar Man lie, then “40%” means black in both cases. Subconsciously at least, victims of this propaganda will have some sense that they are 40% black and 60% white, with the white part being European.

    They are being told to politically rejoin their white brothers in Europe while simultaneously letting more of their non-white brothers into their country.

    Wow…this stuff really goes down rabbit holes.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The gist of it is: we've nearly trashed your entire country, therefore it is a moral imperative to let us complete the job. And this goes for all previously 'white' countries.

    What could be clearer, really?
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  13. 40% is Pakistani, African, Middle-Eastern, or some other Asian. That’s pretty crazy in just two generations. That’s got to make legacy Brits uneasy.

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    • Replies: @celt darnell
    It's also bollocks as Britain is still 85% white.
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  14. Here is what ancestry published a while ago (I think it was them):

    Admixture of UK:

    Anglo-Saxon/British (36.94%), Celtic/Irish (21.59%), Europe West (19.91%), Scandinavia (9.20%), Iberian Peninsula (3.05%), Italy/Greece (1.98%), Eastern Europe (1.84%), European Jewish (1.46%), Finland/Northwest Russia (1%)

    Maybe they are saying its 60% mainland European?

    Also while its probably true a tiny number of “dark” blue eye (doesnt necessarly mean SSA) did reach UK long ago, you cant base everything from one person.
    Skin color alone isnt enough to create a “race”.

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    • Replies: @sam sung
    Exactly. > 90% British/Irish/Scandinavian/Iberian - ie "British".

    They are assholes - they mean 60% members of the EU.

    It's shit-stirring and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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  15. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    … and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself …

    I laughed out loud, thanks. And yet some commenters will still bite…

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    • Replies: @Jake
    That does not have to be parody. There are indeed people who believe and speak that way. Ours is an age of freakdom on meth.
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  16. John Lennon communism lives. You don’t like “dreamers”? Your not the only one:)

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  17. That must mean the average Brit’s pot pie is 40% spicy curry chicken

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  18. ot via Twatter

    ” Steven Pinker

    @sapinker

    An Open Letter to the media from crime experts regarding rampage shooters: Don’t Name Them, Don’t Show Them”

    Um ok. What was that Las Vegas thing about?

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The most recent one in Florida was a Cuban, several of the recent minor ones were black and fell under Coulter's Law, it's still a triumph that the media shut up about the alleged white shooter in Vegas because nobody was buying the twenty guns for barrel temperature thing.
    If you go back to one of Michael Moore's movies, I think it was Bowling for Columbine but it might have been one of his post-TV Nation shows, he runs a repetition of local news broadcasts noting that "the suspect was a black male" (because it was). His argument was that accurate news reporting revives racism.
    Apparently the news media heard and agreed because a while back they stopped reporting the race of nonwhite suspects. That resulted in people noticing what they were doing and propagating Coulter's Law. Now maybe they're just giving up altogether.
    It is a fact that idiot copycats are guaranteed after reporting of an exotic crime. After IX/XI there were multiple cases of drifters attempting to hijack buses and ram them into buildings.
    , @Thomas
    Maybe not so OT.

    Friends said he spoke little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.

    Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.
     
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html

    Another Elliot Rodger "supreme gentleman?" Men: don't abandon your seed to become "mystery meat," and don't raise another man's "mystery meat."
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  19. ” Join the #EuroPartOfMe conversation and tell us why Europe is a part of you, or join us live at Observation Point on London’s South Bank.”

    Can John Kerry bring James Taylor to sing “You’ve got a friend”? Personally I hate Quackers.

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  20. Peter Capaldi. Part of the great fun of the Paddington movies is remembering him as Malcolm Tucker in “In the Loop”.

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  21. I imagine it’s 60% West European, with the rest being 40% English or Celtic. AncestryDNA separates England from Celtic fringe from mainland Europe.

    Or not. In which case, wtf.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Right, they mean the rest is what they classify as British Isles. By European they mean continential Europe.
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  22. Since England is a multicultural country, they article should have included details about what the figure of 60% European DNA really means.

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  23. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    True genius!

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  24. In the Loop is a very funny movie. The director, Armando Iannucci, did the first few seasons of Veep, which I thought was excellent.

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  25. @Seth Largo
    I imagine it's 60% West European, with the rest being 40% English or Celtic. AncestryDNA separates England from Celtic fringe from mainland Europe.

    Or not. In which case, wtf.

    Right, they mean the rest is what they classify as British Isles. By European they mean continential Europe.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's the only explanation that makes sense. Brits typically say "European" to mean specifically continental Europeans.
    , @celt darnell
    Yeah, but even that doesn't add up. DNA studies have demonstrated that most white Britons descend from people who arrived in the iron age.

    They're not only playing fast and loose with what constitutes a European, but what constitutes a Briton, too.
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  26. I can’t even fathom WTF an ad like that is supposed to mean, but I can cite my own personal example to suggest it’s a crock of shit.

    My mother has done a lot of genealogy. Virtually all of her lineage traces back to Britain or at least so far back in US history to a time when most Americans were of British stock, and with surnames and places of settlement to suggest British ancestry. So she takes one of those ancestry tests. What does it tell her? That she is 45% British and 50% “Northwest European.” All the “Northwest European” really means, I’ll wager, is that they can’t break it out into DNA that is specifically, uniquely British.

    If anything the significance of all this is the very opposite of how they’re playing it. To be able to state that 45% of one’s DNA (in the case of my mom) is uniquely British, and distinct from the rest of the Northwest European gene pool, actually suggests a *lot* of separation between Britain and Europe, rather than a little.

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    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    That’s actually a very high percentage of British DNA for an American. I took the test and expected to get 25-40 percent British based on my paper trail and I only got 2 percent. However my Scandinavian and Irish ancestry showed up in accordance with the paper trail, around 8 and 30 percent. But most of the remainder of my DNA was Western European, which I thought based on the paper trail would only be 25 percent or so at most.

    I’m guessing it means Huguenots, Belgians, Flemish and Norman retainers made a pretty big mark on the British DNA pool. They would have been richer than Anglo Saxons so it makes sense they had reproductive success. Also British colonists to America were disproportionately from London.
    , @Barnard
    I don't understand how they determine their classifications for each group. We recently had my wife's DNA test come back from Ancestry. Based on genealogy, I figured she would come back at about 1/3 Great Britain. We can verify that she is descended from Mayflower passengers and has another line that goes back to Normans who settled in England after the conquest.

    Her results came back as 80% Europe West and 15% Irish/Scotland/Wales with 3% East Europe and 1% Great Britain. I found one Welsh ancestor, but it is so far back you would expect her to be about as Welsh as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee. We haven't found any Irish or Scottish ancestors. Even if they count all the Norman ancestry as French, they still would have mixed other English families based on the surnames we found in the family tree. I understand the concept of inheriting certain DNA markers from each parent, but don't understand how they divide each group.
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  27. I have no time for these services and anyone who gives them money: they have admitted that they are activist hoaxes (you do not get to call yourself a scientist and then admit that you will tamper with your results for a political end), and their real practical purpose is to obtain genetic information — both in the sense of collecting data and in the sense that whatever you give them is copyrighted and owned by them. If your genes turn out to be valuable later, but you are a 23andMe customer, then someone other than you is making money, and you will never have any claim to that money. And here they are using incredibly useless language to push a political position, that’s how science works, right? Also, 23andMe spammed 4chan with “viral marketing” (stolen advertising), on an almost hourly basis, for two years. These companies are Theranos with a better basic concept but just as much honesty and competence.

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  28. For what it’s worth, the largest statue in the UK is not of a human or a god, but of two horses:

    They’re in Scotland, but England is also working on an horse:

    The Welsh prefer dragons, as do Floridians:

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  29. @Barnard
    Right, they mean the rest is what they classify as British Isles. By European they mean continential Europe.

    That’s the only explanation that makes sense. Brits typically say “European” to mean specifically continental Europeans.

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  30. @newrouter
    ot via Twatter

    " Steven Pinker

    @sapinker

    An Open Letter to the media from crime experts regarding rampage shooters: Don't Name Them, Don't Show Them"

    Um ok. What was that Las Vegas thing about?

    The most recent one in Florida was a Cuban, several of the recent minor ones were black and fell under Coulter’s Law, it’s still a triumph that the media shut up about the alleged white shooter in Vegas because nobody was buying the twenty guns for barrel temperature thing.
    If you go back to one of Michael Moore’s movies, I think it was Bowling for Columbine but it might have been one of his post-TV Nation shows, he runs a repetition of local news broadcasts noting that “the suspect was a black male” (because it was). His argument was that accurate news reporting revives racism.
    Apparently the news media heard and agreed because a while back they stopped reporting the race of nonwhite suspects. That resulted in people noticing what they were doing and propagating Coulter’s Law. Now maybe they’re just giving up altogether.
    It is a fact that idiot copycats are guaranteed after reporting of an exotic crime. After IX/XI there were multiple cases of drifters attempting to hijack buses and ram them into buildings.

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  31. OT – white supremacist shoots up minority elementary school with full auto AR-15 machine gun. Surely this will be the end of Drumpf.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    I hate to say it, but TD is usually more skilled than this.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Nicolas de Jesus Cruz Identified as Florida School Shooter

    To be fair, maybe he is a "white-hispanic".
    , @celt darnell
    Very poor effort, Tiny. Your parody troll is much better.

    You need to raise your game.
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  32. I take it not many progressives have read The 10,000 Year Explosion, otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to advertise the possibility that skin colour can change quite dramatically in humans in less than 10,000 years. But I guess the dark browning of Cheddar Man is simply about triggering moderately intelligent white nationalists and empowering moderately intelligent progressives, even if long term it may be an own goal is terms of shoring progressive ideology in the sciences.

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  33. They are trying to undermine the indigeneity of the british people. They want to promote a ‘nation of immigrants narrative’ so they can justify drowning the indigenous british in nigerians and pakistanis.

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  34. I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.

    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they’ve enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    They agreed to get rid of Orwell's "rifle over the fireplace."
    They agreed to get rid of freedom of speech.
    They agreed to let police and utilities workers enter residences without permission.
    This is why we need to bitterly cling to the foundational freedoms of the Constitution: it's not a salad bar, you don't get to pick things as you go along. Really England was over as soon as they bought into the idea of "reasonable" modifications. Once that model is in place, it is a very simple thing to shift the Overton window on what is "reasonable." The only real defense is a brainless and axiomatic foundational law outside the reach of seemingly-rational tweaking.
    , @Jason Liu
    They pull this kind of shit all over the world. "America is a nation of immigrants" is ultimately irrelevant. Equalists simply find a different excuse to impose multiculturalism in other countries. "There was diversity in the past" is one of their favorites.
    , @Lagertha
    The elite Brits have all moved...or have recently moved, to the USA. NYC & Cali being the most popular. UK will become a wasteland as the moneyed leave, and the middle class is left behind with ever increasing numbers of hostile foreigners staking claim to England, This England. It is very sad.

    The world will become more Balkanized as white people, and elites of all races, flock into enclaves that will become fortresses/with extreme security and surveillance. It has already started. Most ordinary people are really, now, thought of as cannon fodder or fertilizer, by the global banking elite.
    , @The Alarmist

    "I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066."
     
    There was that invasion by William of Orange in 1688. The Brits call it the "Glorious Revolution" to downplay a number of Constitutional and historical incongruities, not the least of which was that it was in fact an invasion by a foreign force.
    , @Rosamond Vincy

    I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back
     
    .

    Yes, they are. And even if they don't believe in it, they had better not say so, or they will be had up for HateSpeech. Pretty soon, they don't even have to say it: have the wrong expression on your face and they'll nail you for HateThought.

    I weep for England. Even during the bloody days of the Reformation in England, Elizabeth Tudor said she had no intention of making "windows into men's sould." Our modern for-your-own-goodthinkers have no such qualms about emotional, intellectual, or spiritual privacy.
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  35. Oh, gosh, I hope someone wrote in something like “Because of 40,000 years of divergent evolution. 70,000+ from blacks.”

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  36. Are Brits considered white?

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    Not any more.
    , @celt darnell
    We're the only white people. The rest of you are just high yellows.
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  37. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    I wonder if someone will submit, "Because a thousand years ago Norman invaders raped my Saxon ancestors."

    Well there’s certainly some ‘harrying” going on, that’s for sure. The harrying of the nativists. And yes, some of these PC virtue signalers will certainly have upper class Norman origins.

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  38. @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s a twisted kind of doublethink deceit in which “40%” has two opposite meanings, black and white.
     
    Correction: Actually, if the British buy into the black Cheddar Man lie, then "40%" means black in both cases. Subconsciously at least, victims of this propaganda will have some sense that they are 40% black and 60% white, with the white part being European.

    They are being told to politically rejoin their white brothers in Europe while simultaneously letting more of their non-white brothers into their country.

    Wow...this stuff really goes down rabbit holes.

    The gist of it is: we’ve nearly trashed your entire country, therefore it is a moral imperative to let us complete the job. And this goes for all previously ‘white’ countries.

    What could be clearer, really?

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  39. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    WTF?

    Where do you begin with how bizarre this ad is. The initial argument is that Britain should stick with the EU because they have a genetic connection to other white Europeans but then turns 180 with the black chick who says that Europe is a part of her because she believes in "people coming together."

    So the DNA connection doesn't mean a thing? So if I say, Europe can piss off because "I don't like douchey French accents," wouldn't that have just as much validity.

    Does DNA matter or not? Apparently not if you're going to include someone of African decent, so why bring up the 60% thing.

    Also, aren't Brits and Irish genetically almost identical? So Ireland should reunite with Britain? I mean, they're a lot more than 60% similar.

    Then there is Cheryl Baker telling Brits to get back into the EU fold because she won the EuroVision (whatever the hell that is) more than 25 years ago. So because you won some American Idol contest (I have no idea what she's talking about, btw) 60 million people should just shut up.

    Hey, Stanley Johnson, I can also trace my family back to Germany, should the U.S. join the E.U.

    Finally, there's Iain Dale arguing that Brits should allow themselves to be controled by Brussels unelected, elitist bureaucrats in Brussels because it's something that HE'S proud of. Well, bully for you, dickweed. I'm proud of my kid. Should Britain make her the queen?

    I seriously think that Cult of Equality side has been in charge for so long that they no longer even know how ridiculous they are. They're a bunch of Marie Antionette's telling us to just eat cake.

    The initial argument is that Britain should stick with the EU because they have a genetic connection to other white Europeans but then turns 180 with the black chick who says that Europe is a part of her because she believes in “people coming together.”

    One should ask the British elite if they love their DNA connection with the rest of Europe so much, why are they working overtime to make Britain’s DNA connections with Europe less and less?

    Then there is Cheryl Baker telling Brits to get back into the EU fold because she won the EuroVision (whatever the hell that is) more than 25 years ago. So because you won some American Idol contest (I have no idea what she’s talking about, btw) 60 million people should just shut up.

    Eurovision isn’t limited to EU member nations. Israel and Russia, for example, compete in it. So Britain could still compete in it post-Brexit.

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  40. The most “European” parts of England are East Anglia and Lincolnshire – where there seems to have been a total population replacement of Celts by Angles.

    There is an East/West cline in “British” ancestry.

    Funnily enough the “European” East of England voted heavily for Brexit. Very “British” places in Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria etc also voted for Brexit though.

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  41. @Jefferson
    Benjamin Jealous a member of the NAACP who took a DNA test is genetically 80% European. So the average Brit is significantly less European than some "Black" members of the NAACP!

    80.9% to be exact.

    Even Henry Louis Gates was making fun of Benjamin Jealous, saying that ‘You are the whitest black man I have ever tested’.

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  42. @larry lurker

    ... and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself ...
     
    I laughed out loud, thanks. And yet some commenters will still bite...

    That does not have to be parody. There are indeed people who believe and speak that way. Ours is an age of freakdom on meth.

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  43. Brexit being canceled is at this point, the most likely outcome. The various important people who matter, not voters, won’t stand for it. So it will not happen. Making Britain a fiefdom of the EU makes a lot of various Dukes and Princes powerful — various government ministers, NGO types, media barons and personalities who are paid by said barons, zillionaires, etc.

    Power comes from ultimately armed force. And for now, the people with all that money or government permanent offices control what remains of armed force. Vladimir Putin could likely if he wanted to conquer the whole thing from Poland to Iceland and down south to Sicily very quickly given the pozzed nature of European defense. Gay BLT troops are great for virtue signalling. Trannies are not much use holding ground though.

    Most likely though is that Muslims and Africans overwhelm Europe and turn the whole place from Iceland east into a set of competing African and Muslim Caliphates. Most of Europe’s cat ladies and cat ladies in training yearn for this, if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

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    … and put up with beta males all around them.
     
    I’m curious: How do they feel about those beta males?
    , @Anonymous
    No.

    Opposition to the EU in the Tory Party is simply too strong. The Tories' best men, notably Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson and Michael Give will simply not let Theresa May to backslide. Basically, she's their prisoner, and could easily and simply replace her if needs must.

    The British Deep State - as typified by The Economist - might grouse, grumble, plot and fulminate, but their goose is well and truly cooked - for once.
    The Tory Party, normally their faithful lapdogs, doesn't want to know.
    , @unpc downunder
    Europe is unlikely to be overrun by Muslims because Muslims don't like capitalism, aren't docile workers, and dislike both Western liberalism and western religious conservatism. Hence, there is already a lot of push back to Muslim immigration in nations as diverse as Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Hungary and the Netherlands.

    The groups that are most likely to overrun the West are those that attract the least opposition. While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.

    , @istevefan

    if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.
     
    Your comments would be better if you would leave out the weird sexual overtones.
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  44. @istevefan

    I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.
     
    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they've enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

    They agreed to get rid of Orwell’s “rifle over the fireplace.”
    They agreed to get rid of freedom of speech.
    They agreed to let police and utilities workers enter residences without permission.
    This is why we need to bitterly cling to the foundational freedoms of the Constitution: it’s not a salad bar, you don’t get to pick things as you go along. Really England was over as soon as they bought into the idea of “reasonable” modifications. Once that model is in place, it is a very simple thing to shift the Overton window on what is “reasonable.” The only real defense is a brainless and axiomatic foundational law outside the reach of seemingly-rational tweaking.

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  45. The average Brit’s DNA is 60% European.

    What is European DNA? What is 60% of European DNA?

    If bonobos have 99% human DNA are Brits only 95.4% human?

    Well, the food indicates as much.

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  46. OT:
    British cuckservative from Cuckfield tweets cuck porn.

    Theresa May’s chief of staff Gavin Barwell says he ‘regrets’ replying to late night tweet of porn involving women dressed up as schoolgirls
    …The shocking tweet was sent at 9.21pm on Monday night and was up on his timeline for any of his 22,600 followers – which includes Cabinet ministers and senior Tory staffers – to see.
    …His Twitter account replied to a pornographic tweet featuring two ‘teen schoolgirls’ in skimpy outfits and their ‘mom’.
    …It also retweeted a second highly explicit video from the website Blacked.com.

    Gavin Barwell
    …British Conservative Party politician
    …Gavin Barwell was born in Cuckfield in Sussex

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  47. @istevefan

    I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.
     
    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they've enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

    They pull this kind of shit all over the world. “America is a nation of immigrants” is ultimately irrelevant. Equalists simply find a different excuse to impose multiculturalism in other countries. “There was diversity in the past” is one of their favorites.

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  48. off topic Steve but Bill Walton is having the time of his life tonight (night game Feb 14) – check it out

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    "I saw five volcanoes today." -- Bill Walton

    Flying from California to Portland, you could see Mt. Lassen, Mt. Shasta, Mt. Manzanar (Crater Lake), Mt. Hood, and, north in Washington, Mt. St. Helens. (Maybe I missed one?) They are very large and much in a straight line regularly spaced -- quite memorable to see from an airplane.

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  49. @istevefan

    I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.
     
    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they've enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

    The elite Brits have all moved…or have recently moved, to the USA. NYC & Cali being the most popular. UK will become a wasteland as the moneyed leave, and the middle class is left behind with ever increasing numbers of hostile foreigners staking claim to England, This England. It is very sad.

    The world will become more Balkanized as white people, and elites of all races, flock into enclaves that will become fortresses/with extreme security and surveillance. It has already started. Most ordinary people are really, now, thought of as cannon fodder or fertilizer, by the global banking elite.

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    The "moneyed" cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the "big print."

    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

    This oncoming global financial implosion will set off the "big print."
    , @Lagertha
    nah, the teenagers (all over the world, for fucks sake) all anticipate that shit. They are all underground. Banks are done! haha! no one cares! Bitcoin wins! All of the myriads of systems of bitcoin...win. No more middlemen.

    Butcoin loses to Bitcoin...haha
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  50. The average British person’s DNA is now 40% non-European? Who knew? So in a little while, the average British person’s DNA will be 51% non-European … ergo Brexit is good?

    I guess this figure is deliberately misleading in that the author is disingenuously identifying “European” race with the “continental Europe” region. The implication is that the 40% “non-European” is actually of European race but indigenous British in region ie Anglo-Celtic or somesuch.

    The whole area of geneology is fraught with fallacies of this nature.

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  51. Nice red herring. Europeans aren’t the problem.

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    They are to the Brexiteers. They prefer Commonwealth immigrants instead.

    It then annoys them when it's pointed out that Commonwealth means India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Australia and New Zealand are further down the list and have minuscule populations compared to the others.

    What's happening is that the anti-immigrant masses of England are being duped by the Tory leaders who wants to turn the country into their own personal fiefdom. It's sad that people still seem to believe Brexit is about reducing non-white immigration. It's about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand.

    Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad...
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  52. Brits also share 84% of their DNA with Staffordshire bull terrriers and 50% with bananas!

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    Yeah it turns out the shared part is a lot less important than the un-shared part.

    Diversity matters! Let's keep Britain British and the Euros Euro. If they all blend together then we lose diversity.
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  53. @Rosamond Vincy
    Nice red herring. Europeans aren't the problem.

    They are to the Brexiteers. They prefer Commonwealth immigrants instead.

    It then annoys them when it’s pointed out that Commonwealth means India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Australia and New Zealand are further down the list and have minuscule populations compared to the others.

    What’s happening is that the anti-immigrant masses of England are being duped by the Tory leaders who wants to turn the country into their own personal fiefdom. It’s sad that people still seem to believe Brexit is about reducing non-white immigration. It’s about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand.

    Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad…

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    No. No. No.

    The main portal of third world immigration to the UK is - or very soon will be - the EU.
    Those thousands and thousands given 'protection' courtesy of EU laws and currently languishing in Greece, Italy etc will, *inevitably* wind up eventually in northern European states with developed welfare states.
    Such as the UK - or even Sweden.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    A bullet was certainly dodged.
    , @celt darnell
    It seems no matter how many times this is demonstrated to be nonsense, someone will still repeat it.

    1) The people who voted Brexit are the same people who oppose inmigration -- especially Muslim immigration -- and multiculturalism. By contrast, those in favour of immigration (especially non-white) and multiculturalism voted remain

    2) Black and Muslim Britons [sic] voted in excess of 70% for remain. The reason London voted overwhelmingly for remain is because it is only 45% wite British or what we would simply haved called British as recently as 20 years ago.

    3) If you don't understand, a la Richard Spencer, why one can be hostile to the EU but have no problem with Europe, all I can recommend is that you visit a few credible anti-EU websites. I simply haven't the time to educate you.

    4) Commonwealth is often code for 'white commonwealth' as in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Everyone in Britain understands that. You are the one labouring under a misapprehension. And yes, we do have more in common with white Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders than we do with Continental Europeans.

    If by being removed from European influence, you mean being removed from the influence of mad Mutti Merkel and her million man Muslim march, well thank God for that.

    Please stop talking rubbish. Thanks.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "It’s about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand. Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad…"

    A Corbyn government post-Brexit wouldn't be the end of the world. By definition, if you accept the idea of nationalisation you accept the idea of the nation. But more to the point, we can vote out Corbyn, but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.

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  54. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    Susan, is that you??

    I thought the white race had killed you!

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  55. Well, the ad convinced me. I’m going to write my Congresscritters and tell them that the US must join the EU.

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  56. @anonymous
    off topic Steve but Bill Walton is having the time of his life tonight (night game Feb 14) - check it out

    “I saw five volcanoes today.” — Bill Walton

    Flying from California to Portland, you could see Mt. Lassen, Mt. Shasta, Mt. Manzanar (Crater Lake), Mt. Hood, and, north in Washington, Mt. St. Helens. (Maybe I missed one?) They are very large and much in a straight line regularly spaced — quite memorable to see from an airplane.

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    Mt. Adams too.
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  57. They are just trying to sell their product. People have no interest in their product because we all know where our families are from. I don’t need a DNA test to tell me where my family are from, because I know the counties my grandparents grew up in, and prior to that people really didn’t move around much. If you did have a Welsh or Irish grandparent that is known but you have no real need or interest to look further in to it than that.

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  58. But is it 60% East European?

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  59. @Anonymous
    Are Brits considered white?

    Not any more.

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  60. This is their prior advert. In reality it should show a white English person saying my gran is from Scotland, I knew that already, so why did need this test?

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    The man-bun in the thumbnail should tell you all you need to know.

    More than a few of the comments to a recent Nigel Farage tweet on BREXIT moaned on about how it would screw the children's future, as if Britain had not existed prior to the EU. They also seem to have confused the increase of Britain's prosperity with integration in the EU rather than with the general increase in developed world prosperity over the same time period.

    I have joked elsewhere in these pages that my grandmother's farm in the midwestern US had a working two-hole outhouse well into the 1960s ... the arrival of indoor plumbing coincided with the growth of the EC. Furthermore, I am at least 90% European by descent. Does that mean that I should be pining away for the US to join the EU?

    In fact, if I or any of us who read Unz, etc. trumpet the fact that we are majority-European by descent, we are branded racists. So how is this cracker-assed project in the UK able to make such a hateful claim?

    "Fog covers the Channel: Continent cut off." Those were the days indeed.

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  61. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    We’re all Tiny Duck Fans aren’t we?

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  62. @Whiskey
    Brexit being canceled is at this point, the most likely outcome. The various important people who matter, not voters, won't stand for it. So it will not happen. Making Britain a fiefdom of the EU makes a lot of various Dukes and Princes powerful -- various government ministers, NGO types, media barons and personalities who are paid by said barons, zillionaires, etc.

    Power comes from ultimately armed force. And for now, the people with all that money or government permanent offices control what remains of armed force. Vladimir Putin could likely if he wanted to conquer the whole thing from Poland to Iceland and down south to Sicily very quickly given the pozzed nature of European defense. Gay BLT troops are great for virtue signalling. Trannies are not much use holding ground though.

    Most likely though is that Muslims and Africans overwhelm Europe and turn the whole place from Iceland east into a set of competing African and Muslim Caliphates. Most of Europe's cat ladies and cat ladies in training yearn for this, if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

    … and put up with beta males all around them.

    I’m curious: How do they feel about those beta males?

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    If only Whiskey would tell us what women think of beta males, he seems to have some idea but he insists on keeping it to himself.

    Whiskey! Tell us!
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  63. @anonymous

    … and put up with beta males all around them.
     
    I’m curious: How do they feel about those beta males?

    If only Whiskey would tell us what women think of beta males, he seems to have some idea but he insists on keeping it to himself.

    Whiskey! Tell us!

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  64. @newrouter
    ot via Twatter

    " Steven Pinker

    @sapinker

    An Open Letter to the media from crime experts regarding rampage shooters: Don't Name Them, Don't Show Them"

    Um ok. What was that Las Vegas thing about?

    Maybe not so OT.

    Friends said he spoke little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.

    Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html

    Another Elliot Rodger “supreme gentleman?” Men: don’t abandon your seed to become “mystery meat,” and don’t raise another man’s “mystery meat.”

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    , @Olorin
    Agree with BB...but what caught my eye here was the Long Island, NY, adoption, and a "former sister-in-law" named Kumbatovich.

    Were the Cruzes Jewish perchance? New York has the nation's most draconian laws regarding adoptees not being permitted to know their biological origins/families and vice versa. During the period of the heaviest trafficking of unwanted or accidental infants/children, '40s to '70s approx, a lot of non-Jewish kids were adopted into Jewish families, often via "family doctors" who provided illegal abortion services in some cases and sotto voce placement of the infant in others. (Some Planned Parenthood/pro-Roe v Wade folks I knew in the '70s claimed they pushed for legalizing abortion in part to stanch this infant trafficking.)

    Some of it must have resulted in genetic tension.

    But it sounds like this mystery meat fellow came later than that.

    Adoption is great if the genetic origin of the biological and adoptive parents can be fairly close. But, say, sticking a Scandinavian/English kid in a family of, say, Russian or Hungarian Jews, or a mestizo/black kid among Chinese, or whatever is likely to lead to all sorts of confusion--little of it recognized at present because, you know, children are blank slates, and love makes a family, and all that.

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  65. “60% european”

    It’s worse than that – they show a pie chart – the 60% european includes “Irish”, “Germanic” and “Scandinavian”, otherwise it pops back up to at least 90%

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  66. @polskijoe
    Here is what ancestry published a while ago (I think it was them):

    Admixture of UK:

    Anglo-Saxon/British (36.94%), Celtic/Irish (21.59%), Europe West (19.91%), Scandinavia (9.20%), Iberian Peninsula (3.05%), Italy/Greece (1.98%), Eastern Europe (1.84%), European Jewish (1.46%), Finland/Northwest Russia (1%)


    Maybe they are saying its 60% mainland European?


    Also while its probably true a tiny number of "dark" blue eye (doesnt necessarly mean SSA) did reach UK long ago, you cant base everything from one person.
    Skin color alone isnt enough to create a "race".

    Exactly. > 90% British/Irish/Scandinavian/Iberian – ie “British”.

    They are assholes – they mean 60% members of the EU.

    It’s shit-stirring and they should be ashamed of themselves.

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  67. Last time I looked, England was located 20 miles or so from the coast of the Eurasian continental mass.

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  68. Their garbage terminology is meaningless.

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  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Fredrik
    They are to the Brexiteers. They prefer Commonwealth immigrants instead.

    It then annoys them when it's pointed out that Commonwealth means India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Australia and New Zealand are further down the list and have minuscule populations compared to the others.

    What's happening is that the anti-immigrant masses of England are being duped by the Tory leaders who wants to turn the country into their own personal fiefdom. It's sad that people still seem to believe Brexit is about reducing non-white immigration. It's about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand.

    Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad...

    No. No. No.

    The main portal of third world immigration to the UK is – or very soon will be – the EU.
    Those thousands and thousands given ‘protection’ courtesy of EU laws and currently languishing in Greece, Italy etc will, *inevitably* wind up eventually in northern European states with developed welfare states.
    Such as the UK – or even Sweden.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    A bullet was certainly dodged.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention - which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future.
    No state in the EU, bound by EU super-sovereignty would ever be able to do this.
    , @Anonymous

    Thank God for Brexit.
     
    And that is Reason #1 why they'll stop at nothing to reverse Brexit.

    Similarly why States' Rights in the USA had to be squashed.

    The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom.
    , @Melendwyr
    Bullet-dodging is certainly being attempted, but it seems to me the bullet is still in flight. The war is far from over, and the battle isn't even over. It's just that an attempt has been made to avoid one attack - and it is not yet successful.
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  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Brexit being canceled is at this point, the most likely outcome. The various important people who matter, not voters, won't stand for it. So it will not happen. Making Britain a fiefdom of the EU makes a lot of various Dukes and Princes powerful -- various government ministers, NGO types, media barons and personalities who are paid by said barons, zillionaires, etc.

    Power comes from ultimately armed force. And for now, the people with all that money or government permanent offices control what remains of armed force. Vladimir Putin could likely if he wanted to conquer the whole thing from Poland to Iceland and down south to Sicily very quickly given the pozzed nature of European defense. Gay BLT troops are great for virtue signalling. Trannies are not much use holding ground though.

    Most likely though is that Muslims and Africans overwhelm Europe and turn the whole place from Iceland east into a set of competing African and Muslim Caliphates. Most of Europe's cat ladies and cat ladies in training yearn for this, if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

    No.

    Opposition to the EU in the Tory Party is simply too strong. The Tories’ best men, notably Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson and Michael Give will simply not let Theresa May to backslide. Basically, she’s their prisoner, and could easily and simply replace her if needs must.

    The British Deep State – as typified by The Economist – might grouse, grumble, plot and fulminate, but their goose is well and truly cooked – for once.
    The Tory Party, normally their faithful lapdogs, doesn’t want to know.

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  71. @anon
    Until recently, I'd guess that the average American's DNA was at least 60% European, so I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution.

    Sound logic.

    “I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution.”

    Given the regal powers our Executive and Judiciary have assumed, and given the sclerotic tendencies the legislature has assumed (The US Senate has less turnover than the House of Lords), a return to rule by Westminster and the Crown might not be such a bad thing. Maybe we could do a reverse takeover, a “merger of equals” so to say, and find some way to keep the best bits while looking for synergies.

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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that Britain is rapidly devolving into a Third World shithole, that Westminster and the Crown have been utterly ineffective (at best) at stopping or even slowing this devolution, that Brexit is not a done deal by any means, that anyone who advocates for the abolition of American sovereignty and the total consolidation of Anglo-American political power in Londonistan is spouting imbecilic nonsense.

    When, in the course of human events, a Queen stands by and does nothing while her kingdom is overrun, she is unworthy of serving as even a symbolic leader.

    Wasn't "keep the best bits while looking for synergies" the pitch for the European Union?
    , @celt darnell
    Speaking as a Brit, I think would be easier and better to return to yhe sysyem your Founding Fathers envisioned.

    At least George Washington could still be avknowledged in the church where he worshipped...
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  72. Re the clip – the deliberately shaky camera, pseudo documentary schick, is annoying. I can’t watch movies that use this technique, it’s too distracting. It’s somewhat akin to trying to listen to the discourse of 21 year old female, one with a bad case of ‘valley girl’ up-speak, peppered with north of 10 LPMs – likes per minute.

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  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    No. No. No.

    The main portal of third world immigration to the UK is - or very soon will be - the EU.
    Those thousands and thousands given 'protection' courtesy of EU laws and currently languishing in Greece, Italy etc will, *inevitably* wind up eventually in northern European states with developed welfare states.
    Such as the UK - or even Sweden.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    A bullet was certainly dodged.

    In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention – which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future.
    No state in the EU, bound by EU super-sovereignty would ever be able to do this.

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    "In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention – which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future."
     
    Come on, in your heart of hearts, you know the girls who run Westminster don't have the stones to do that, regardless of their cis- or chosen-gender.
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  74. @LondonBob
    https://youtu.be/hpJ6TFmrs1o

    This is their prior advert. In reality it should show a white English person saying my gran is from Scotland, I knew that already, so why did need this test?

    The man-bun in the thumbnail should tell you all you need to know.

    More than a few of the comments to a recent Nigel Farage tweet on BREXIT moaned on about how it would screw the children’s future, as if Britain had not existed prior to the EU. They also seem to have confused the increase of Britain’s prosperity with integration in the EU rather than with the general increase in developed world prosperity over the same time period.

    I have joked elsewhere in these pages that my grandmother’s farm in the midwestern US had a working two-hole outhouse well into the 1960s … the arrival of indoor plumbing coincided with the growth of the EC. Furthermore, I am at least 90% European by descent. Does that mean that I should be pining away for the US to join the EU?

    In fact, if I or any of us who read Unz, etc. trumpet the fact that we are majority-European by descent, we are branded racists. So how is this cracker-assed project in the UK able to make such a hateful claim?

    “Fog covers the Channel: Continent cut off.” Those were the days indeed.

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  75. Former pornographer Campbell is one of the evil trinity Blair/Mandelson/Campbell who did more damage to the UK than any government I can think of in the last 1000 years.

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    Campbell used to forge fictitious dirty stories for late defunct 'Forum' magazine, so beloved of furtive English schoolboys.

    Come to think of it, the only real obscenity was New Labour itself.

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  76. @istevefan

    I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.
     
    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they've enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

    “I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.”

    There was that invasion by William of Orange in 1688. The Brits call it the “Glorious Revolution” to downplay a number of Constitutional and historical incongruities, not the least of which was that it was in fact an invasion by a foreign force.

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    There was also the invasion by Henry Tudor in 1485 and another by the forces supporting the pretender Lambert Simnel in 1487.
    , @celt darnell
    A foreign force invited in by Parliament to overthrow an allegedly Catholic king and return England to the Protestant world.

    Parliament even imposed conditions on William of Orange in order for him to rule.

    A rather bizarre 'conquest' if you ask me...

    The Norman conqueat, by contrast, was exactly that.
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  77. @Anonymous
    In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention - which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future.
    No state in the EU, bound by EU super-sovereignty would ever be able to do this.

    “In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention – which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future.”

    Come on, in your heart of hearts, you know the girls who run Westminster don’t have the stones to do that, regardless of their cis- or chosen-gender.

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    Yes.

    But at least that door is being guarded by people responsible to the British electorate, and only the British electorate.
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  78. @Thomas
    Maybe not so OT.

    Friends said he spoke little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.

    Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.
     
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html

    Another Elliot Rodger "supreme gentleman?" Men: don't abandon your seed to become "mystery meat," and don't raise another man's "mystery meat."

    Well, we should all be grateful our generous host, Steve Sailer, was adopted and raised to become a national treasure.

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  79. @Anonymous
    No. No. No.

    The main portal of third world immigration to the UK is - or very soon will be - the EU.
    Those thousands and thousands given 'protection' courtesy of EU laws and currently languishing in Greece, Italy etc will, *inevitably* wind up eventually in northern European states with developed welfare states.
    Such as the UK - or even Sweden.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    A bullet was certainly dodged.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    And that is Reason #1 why they’ll stop at nothing to reverse Brexit.

    Similarly why States’ Rights in the USA had to be squashed.

    The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom.

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    You're quite correct. Even now I'm amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We're not that important. Haven't they more serious issues to cover?
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  80. Following an inquiry by the The Commission on Equality and Europeanness, The British Government has rolled out dual nationality to all Citizens.

    Citizens wishing to be Repatriated to the Homelands of Denmark and Holland
    Apply Here

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  81. @The Alarmist

    "In theory, at least, a sovereign British government, outside the EU would have the freedom to unilaterally revoke that f*cking 1968 UN Refugee Convention – which is *the* cause of the current third world immigration problem plaguing Europe, which also will only worsen considerably in the future."
     
    Come on, in your heart of hearts, you know the girls who run Westminster don't have the stones to do that, regardless of their cis- or chosen-gender.

    Yes.

    But at least that door is being guarded by people responsible to the British electorate, and only the British electorate.

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  82. @YetAnotherAnon
    Former pornographer Campbell is one of the evil trinity Blair/Mandelson/Campbell who did more damage to the UK than any government I can think of in the last 1000 years.

    Campbell used to forge fictitious dirty stories for late defunct ‘Forum’ magazine, so beloved of furtive English schoolboys.

    Come to think of it, the only real obscenity was New Labour itself.

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  83. @Reg Cæsar
    What is the other 40%, exactly? It might be British.

    Arabic? African?

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  84. @Obsessive Contrarian
    No, they mean from the continent of Europe, and 40% from the British Isles.

    BTW what's all this fuss over the dark-skinned Cheddar man? They discovered a 7K year old skeleton in Span w/the same combo, dark skin & light eyes.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/early-europeans-had-dark-skin-blue-eyes/5220090

    But the rendering in the Spanish case was more swarthy, not black, so it didn't stir up the same response.

    IIRC, Steve’s description on the 7K year old skeleton when that story broke was “Russell Crowe with a tan”.

    Derb does a great breakdown on WE WUZ CHEDDAR here: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/progressives-love-science-but-dont-know-any-the-case-of-the-dark-skinned-prehistoric-briton/

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    Derb's take is a great, enjoyable read, but also, I think that the artist's impression of Cheddar Man's skin is too Negroid. It's shiny. The artist's impressions of the Spanish guy was more of a deep tan. What's changed since Spanish Man and Cheddar Man? Society.

    Sub-Saharan African (in other words, Negroid) skin is a special adaption that I read about somewhere, sorry, forget where. It has a glossiness. Other dark-skinned people don't have this glossiness. It must be some kind of reasonably recent adaptation. And by the way, sub-Saharan Africans have a range of skin tones - they can be fairly light, but are still glossy. South Indians and Aborigines are much blacker, and not glossy. Their skin looks like Caucasian skin - but much darker.

    And that's what I think Cheddar Man looked like.

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  85. @The Alarmist

    "I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution."
     
    Given the regal powers our Executive and Judiciary have assumed, and given the sclerotic tendencies the legislature has assumed (The US Senate has less turnover than the House of Lords), a return to rule by Westminster and the Crown might not be such a bad thing. Maybe we could do a reverse takeover, a "merger of equals" so to say, and find some way to keep the best bits while looking for synergies.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that Britain is rapidly devolving into a Third World shithole, that Westminster and the Crown have been utterly ineffective (at best) at stopping or even slowing this devolution, that Brexit is not a done deal by any means, that anyone who advocates for the abolition of American sovereignty and the total consolidation of Anglo-American political power in Londonistan is spouting imbecilic nonsense.

    When, in the course of human events, a Queen stands by and does nothing while her kingdom is overrun, she is unworthy of serving as even a symbolic leader.

    Wasn’t “keep the best bits while looking for synergies” the pitch for the European Union?

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    "... Britain is rapidly devolving into a Third World shithole, that Westminster and the Crown have been utterly ineffective (at best) at stopping or even slowing this devolution ...."
     
    Let's stand Occam's Razor on its head ... which is more likely: A series of legislative, judicial and executive blunders over decades that have brought a once mighty empire to its knees; or, a well organised cabal deciding to destroy that empire from within.

    It's been all downhill since the Parliament Act of 1911. When Britain started debasing the Lords, the people who had the biggest stake in maintaining the United Kingdom (and Empire for that matter) no longer had much stake in its fortunes, so of course they go along with and even promote some of the nonsense that is destroying Britain, where once they could and would have stopped it. As for the Crown, it was neutered in the 1700s.
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  86. How was this an anti-Brexit ad?

    60% sounds quite low. I’m quite skeptical of that claim without details and a corroborating source.

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  87. @JollyOldSoul
    I can't even fathom WTF an ad like that is supposed to mean, but I can cite my own personal example to suggest it's a crock of shit.

    My mother has done a lot of genealogy. Virtually all of her lineage traces back to Britain or at least so far back in US history to a time when most Americans were of British stock, and with surnames and places of settlement to suggest British ancestry. So she takes one of those ancestry tests. What does it tell her? That she is 45% British and 50% "Northwest European." All the "Northwest European" really means, I'll wager, is that they can't break it out into DNA that is specifically, uniquely British.

    If anything the significance of all this is the very opposite of how they're playing it. To be able to state that 45% of one's DNA (in the case of my mom) is uniquely British, and distinct from the rest of the Northwest European gene pool, actually suggests a *lot* of separation between Britain and Europe, rather than a little.

    That’s actually a very high percentage of British DNA for an American. I took the test and expected to get 25-40 percent British based on my paper trail and I only got 2 percent. However my Scandinavian and Irish ancestry showed up in accordance with the paper trail, around 8 and 30 percent. But most of the remainder of my DNA was Western European, which I thought based on the paper trail would only be 25 percent or so at most.

    I’m guessing it means Huguenots, Belgians, Flemish and Norman retainers made a pretty big mark on the British DNA pool. They would have been richer than Anglo Saxons so it makes sense they had reproductive success. Also British colonists to America were disproportionately from London.

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  88. Is that video Safe For Work?

    Kidding.

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  89. @JollyOldSoul
    I can't even fathom WTF an ad like that is supposed to mean, but I can cite my own personal example to suggest it's a crock of shit.

    My mother has done a lot of genealogy. Virtually all of her lineage traces back to Britain or at least so far back in US history to a time when most Americans were of British stock, and with surnames and places of settlement to suggest British ancestry. So she takes one of those ancestry tests. What does it tell her? That she is 45% British and 50% "Northwest European." All the "Northwest European" really means, I'll wager, is that they can't break it out into DNA that is specifically, uniquely British.

    If anything the significance of all this is the very opposite of how they're playing it. To be able to state that 45% of one's DNA (in the case of my mom) is uniquely British, and distinct from the rest of the Northwest European gene pool, actually suggests a *lot* of separation between Britain and Europe, rather than a little.

    I don’t understand how they determine their classifications for each group. We recently had my wife’s DNA test come back from Ancestry. Based on genealogy, I figured she would come back at about 1/3 Great Britain. We can verify that she is descended from Mayflower passengers and has another line that goes back to Normans who settled in England after the conquest.

    Her results came back as 80% Europe West and 15% Irish/Scotland/Wales with 3% East Europe and 1% Great Britain. I found one Welsh ancestor, but it is so far back you would expect her to be about as Welsh as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee. We haven’t found any Irish or Scottish ancestors. Even if they count all the Norman ancestry as French, they still would have mixed other English families based on the surnames we found in the family tree. I understand the concept of inheriting certain DNA markers from each parent, but don’t understand how they divide each group.

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    To me this suggests that the DNA they can't classify as specifically British is just going into a larger bucket called "Northwest European" or whatever. It doesn't mean that your wife isn't largely British in ancestral terms. It just means they can't definitvely separate it from the rest of NW Europe.
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  90. @Jonathan Mason
    Brits also share 84% of their DNA with Staffordshire bull terrriers and 50% with bananas!

    Yeah it turns out the shared part is a lot less important than the un-shared part.

    Diversity matters! Let’s keep Britain British and the Euros Euro. If they all blend together then we lose diversity.

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    Diversity matters! Let’s keep Britain British and the Euros Euro. If they all blend together then we lose diversity.
     
    You just don't understand how diversity works. We will only have true diversity when we have a single brown race ruled by a single global government, all speaking the same language (American English), all watching the same movies, all reading the same books, all holding the same opinions, all thinking the same thoughts, all posting exactly the same stuff on facebook, all genderfluid. What could be more diverse than that?
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  91. So . . . does this mean that Britain is sufficiently diverse and therefore it doesn’t need more?

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    So . . . does this mean that Britain is sufficiently diverse and therefore it doesn’t need more?
     
    There will never be enough diversity until everyplace is the same as every other place.
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  92. @The Alarmist

    "I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066."
     
    There was that invasion by William of Orange in 1688. The Brits call it the "Glorious Revolution" to downplay a number of Constitutional and historical incongruities, not the least of which was that it was in fact an invasion by a foreign force.

    There was also the invasion by Henry Tudor in 1485 and another by the forces supporting the pretender Lambert Simnel in 1487.

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  93. @Alec Leamas
    So . . . does this mean that Britain is sufficiently diverse and therefore it doesn't need more?

    So . . . does this mean that Britain is sufficiently diverse and therefore it doesn’t need more?

    There will never be enough diversity until everyplace is the same as every other place.

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    I like that phrase!
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  94. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    IIRC, Steve's description on the 7K year old skeleton when that story broke was "Russell Crowe with a tan".

    Derb does a great breakdown on WE WUZ CHEDDAR here: http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/progressives-love-science-but-dont-know-any-the-case-of-the-dark-skinned-prehistoric-briton/

    Derb’s take is a great, enjoyable read, but also, I think that the artist’s impression of Cheddar Man’s skin is too Negroid. It’s shiny. The artist’s impressions of the Spanish guy was more of a deep tan. What’s changed since Spanish Man and Cheddar Man? Society.

    Sub-Saharan African (in other words, Negroid) skin is a special adaption that I read about somewhere, sorry, forget where. It has a glossiness. Other dark-skinned people don’t have this glossiness. It must be some kind of reasonably recent adaptation. And by the way, sub-Saharan Africans have a range of skin tones – they can be fairly light, but are still glossy. South Indians and Aborigines are much blacker, and not glossy. Their skin looks like Caucasian skin – but much darker.

    And that’s what I think Cheddar Man looked like.

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  95. It isn’t clear what they mean by “average British person.” Since they have a “diverse” crop of people talking to the camera, I assume they don’t mean “white British person.” A quick search tells me that 87% of the UK population is supposed to be “White British.” The anti-Brexit ad says “average,” but in statistics, average is not “typical” or “probable.”

    If you have 10 marbles, with 8 being pure white and 2 being pure black, you could assign “color points” to each marble. Each marble has 10 points of black or white. So you calculate that the “average” marble has 8 white points and 2 black points. But the truth is there are *no* marbles in the scenario that meet this description. Obviously, the more black marbles you introduce into this situation, the more you dilute the statistical “whiteness” of the white marble population. Using a statistical average is a kind of slight-of-hand (assuming this is what they have done.)

    Real world DNA is way more messy than this abstract black/white example I give. (Those white Brits are not 100%, to begin with.) But you see the principle. You “fold in” that 13% of the UK population (Chinese, Pakistani, whatever) who have very high (approaching 100%) non-European DNA, then act like the increasing number of immigrant non-white Brits makes the white Brits “less white.” This 13 % alone won’t explain the “60 percent” claim by itself, but I’ll bet it’s part of what’s going into that claim.

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  96. AncestryUK’s Anti-Brexit Ad: “The Average British Person’s DNA Is 60% European”

    …So let’s work out our natural mongrel’s hatred for purity by spewing our mutt DNA into pristine Europe – something like that?

    I’m trying to understand the logic here.

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  97. Like an overweight manlet lumbering up to the counter at McDonalds with a fistful of EBT, le 56% face draws nearer and nearer to England.

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  98. Even growing up in New Zealand the term Europe always referred to continental Europe and excluded the mother country, Britain. I remember I found it very odd when I first heard Brits described as European, just as Americans, at least of a certain age, might find it odd that Asian in Britain encompasses people from the Indian subcontinent.

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    19th century Americans also meant Continental Europe when they said Europe.
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  99. @Lagertha
    The elite Brits have all moved...or have recently moved, to the USA. NYC & Cali being the most popular. UK will become a wasteland as the moneyed leave, and the middle class is left behind with ever increasing numbers of hostile foreigners staking claim to England, This England. It is very sad.

    The world will become more Balkanized as white people, and elites of all races, flock into enclaves that will become fortresses/with extreme security and surveillance. It has already started. Most ordinary people are really, now, thought of as cannon fodder or fertilizer, by the global banking elite.

    The “moneyed” cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the “big print.”

    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

    This oncoming global financial implosion will set off the “big print.”

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    calm down, sheesh. And no "it won't." Tired, so GN
    , @Lagertha
    why does everyone hate you?
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  100. @Ricky Vaughn
    OT - white supremacist shoots up minority elementary school with full auto AR-15 machine gun. Surely this will be the end of Drumpf.

    I hate to say it, but TD is usually more skilled than this.

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    jeesus, get some balls, you guys, TD is a fraud/bs/app.
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  101. My favorite chemical engineering professor gave an illustrated lecture 40-odd years ago. To depict “the average human being” he showed a doctored image of a person with one large breast in the center of his/her chest.

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  102. @Mr. Anon

    So . . . does this mean that Britain is sufficiently diverse and therefore it doesn’t need more?
     
    There will never be enough diversity until everyplace is the same as every other place.

    I like that phrase!

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  103. @istevefan

    I’m a little baffled by the logic of post-Cheddar Man British genomic spin.
     
    We are watching Britain being gaslit before our eyes. I recall people saying that mass immigration was imposed on the USA because, after all, we are all immigrants and even the oldest of us only have a 400 year history here. This could not happen to Britain because, well because they have an unmistakable culture going back hundreds of years. I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066.

    But yet the globo world order is seemingly in the process of convincing these people, who have occupied Britain for all those centuries, that they too are immigrants, not conquerors, and that since prior conquerors may or may not have brought in scab labor, people possibly connected to said scab labor under that prior invasion of two thousand years ago are really a part of Britain, and thus should be allowed to come no questions asked.

    Apparently they've enlisted some overweight soy-boy named Mike Stuchbery to attack on twitter anyone who disagrees.

    Now the Cheddar Man stuff is really over the top. I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back.

    Please someone in the UK tell me that your countrymen are not going to fall for this.

    I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back

    .

    Yes, they are. And even if they don’t believe in it, they had better not say so, or they will be had up for HateSpeech. Pretty soon, they don’t even have to say it: have the wrong expression on your face and they’ll nail you for HateThought.

    I weep for England. Even during the bloody days of the Reformation in England, Elizabeth Tudor said she had no intention of making “windows into men’s sould.” Our modern for-your-own-goodthinkers have no such qualms about emotional, intellectual, or spiritual privacy.

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    I don't get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight. Maybe something has been put into the water supply. Maybe it has to do with modern food. I keep hearing reports about men today having less testosterone than their dads and granddads.
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  104. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself

    You left out “fat.” Or is that included in “Lesbian”?

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    Now now, Mrs. Dr. Lydgate. It's not nice to parse SJWs adjectives too closely.

    Or are you one of those Venn Diagram Imperialists?

    I think somebody's trolling the resident troll. Mark the date, today, when metatrolling reached the pages of iSteve.

    But having said that, a "pan human" sounds like someone who spends a lot of time hovering with a fork over the freshly baked brownies. So you are likely correct.
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  105. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    Duck,you’re the best. My question,are you on this site under another ID also? Whorefinder?

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  106. @Ricky Vaughn
    OT - white supremacist shoots up minority elementary school with full auto AR-15 machine gun. Surely this will be the end of Drumpf.

    Nicolas de Jesus Cruz Identified as Florida School Shooter

    To be fair, maybe he is a “white-hispanic”.

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    To be fair, maybe he is a “white-hispanic”.

     

    Update, accordung to the official arrest record, Nicolas De Jesus Cruz is just "white".

    Score a point for Unz's "don't His-panic" article. Hispanics still have low crime rates and have never murdered a native White.
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  107. @Whiskey
    Brexit being canceled is at this point, the most likely outcome. The various important people who matter, not voters, won't stand for it. So it will not happen. Making Britain a fiefdom of the EU makes a lot of various Dukes and Princes powerful -- various government ministers, NGO types, media barons and personalities who are paid by said barons, zillionaires, etc.

    Power comes from ultimately armed force. And for now, the people with all that money or government permanent offices control what remains of armed force. Vladimir Putin could likely if he wanted to conquer the whole thing from Poland to Iceland and down south to Sicily very quickly given the pozzed nature of European defense. Gay BLT troops are great for virtue signalling. Trannies are not much use holding ground though.

    Most likely though is that Muslims and Africans overwhelm Europe and turn the whole place from Iceland east into a set of competing African and Muslim Caliphates. Most of Europe's cat ladies and cat ladies in training yearn for this, if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

    Europe is unlikely to be overrun by Muslims because Muslims don’t like capitalism, aren’t docile workers, and dislike both Western liberalism and western religious conservatism. Hence, there is already a lot of push back to Muslim immigration in nations as diverse as Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Hungary and the Netherlands.

    The groups that are most likely to overrun the West are those that attract the least opposition. While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.

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    While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.
     
    It's happening quietly but it's also happening very quickly.
    , @Anonymous
    Don't count on it.

    The left wishes to import Muslims purely to overturn society.
    The hard Economist right wish to import Muslims due to pure pig headed arrogant obstinate STUPIDITY.

    Unfortunately, both these factions, in particular The Economist magazine, wield enormous power.

    If you want to know what the British Deep State thinks, read The Economist.
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  108. @Reg Cæsar
    What is the other 40%, exactly? It might be British.

    “The average British person’s DNA is 60% European.”

    What does this mean exactly? Adjusted mean? Or median? Or what?

    Is “the average British person” all people in the UK added up and divided by N?

    It sounds to me like Ancestry UK is trying to break it to the recently injected/bred melanists slowly that, geeheckgolly, we were kinda wrong about Europeans being satan and stuff, coz you too iz Euro.

    I don’t know why anybody bothers to waste money on psychotropic drugs anymore when there’s bashit PR campaigns like this one aplenty. I’ve seen so many I’m developing an end-stage case of Tucker Listening Face.

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  109. @Rosamond Vincy

    and Jewish lesbians like myself — I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself
     
    You left out "fat." Or is that included in "Lesbian"?

    Now now, Mrs. Dr. Lydgate. It’s not nice to parse SJWs adjectives too closely.

    Or are you one of those Venn Diagram Imperialists?

    I think somebody’s trolling the resident troll. Mark the date, today, when metatrolling reached the pages of iSteve.

    But having said that, a “pan human” sounds like someone who spends a lot of time hovering with a fork over the freshly baked brownies. So you are likely correct.

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  110. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Nicolas de Jesus Cruz Identified as Florida School Shooter

    To be fair, maybe he is a "white-hispanic".

    To be fair, maybe he is a “white-hispanic”.

    Update, accordung to the official arrest record, Nicolas De Jesus Cruz is just “white”.

    Score a point for Unz’s “don’t His-panic” article. Hispanics still have low crime rates and have never murdered a native White.

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    Even Breitbart is calling him a white nationalist now.

    It's not going to be pretty.
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  111. @Whiskey
    Brexit being canceled is at this point, the most likely outcome. The various important people who matter, not voters, won't stand for it. So it will not happen. Making Britain a fiefdom of the EU makes a lot of various Dukes and Princes powerful -- various government ministers, NGO types, media barons and personalities who are paid by said barons, zillionaires, etc.

    Power comes from ultimately armed force. And for now, the people with all that money or government permanent offices control what remains of armed force. Vladimir Putin could likely if he wanted to conquer the whole thing from Poland to Iceland and down south to Sicily very quickly given the pozzed nature of European defense. Gay BLT troops are great for virtue signalling. Trannies are not much use holding ground though.

    Most likely though is that Muslims and Africans overwhelm Europe and turn the whole place from Iceland east into a set of competing African and Muslim Caliphates. Most of Europe's cat ladies and cat ladies in training yearn for this, if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

    if for no other reason than to live in the mud as the occasional plaything of a conqueror than have hot water and put up with beta males all around them.

    Your comments would be better if you would leave out the weird sexual overtones.

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  112. I’m sure you’ll find the average American, Canadian, New Zealander, Australian and Argentinian person’s blood is 60% European, too.

    So what?

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  113. @Rosamond Vincy

    I wonder if the Brits are going to be told how they stole the land from the true natives and must give it back
     
    .

    Yes, they are. And even if they don't believe in it, they had better not say so, or they will be had up for HateSpeech. Pretty soon, they don't even have to say it: have the wrong expression on your face and they'll nail you for HateThought.

    I weep for England. Even during the bloody days of the Reformation in England, Elizabeth Tudor said she had no intention of making "windows into men's sould." Our modern for-your-own-goodthinkers have no such qualms about emotional, intellectual, or spiritual privacy.

    I don’t get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight. Maybe something has been put into the water supply. Maybe it has to do with modern food. I keep hearing reports about men today having less testosterone than their dads and granddads.

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    Yes, but come on iSteve, would Americans in the first part of the Twenieth Century tolerate, among other things, an invasion from Mexico, acts of spontaneous blackness, gay marriage, the destruction of Confederate monuments and the disparagement of George Washington and Andrew Jackson?

    This goes far beyond Europe, I'm afraid.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Even 20 years ago, turning a few football hooligans loose on the refuvasion would have done the trick. Just tell all the Tottenham Hotspur supporters those balding "youths" are Arsenal.
    , @dfordoom

    I don’t get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight.
     
    They were a bit too eager to fight. The two world wars all but destroyed European civilisation. Europeans got scared. They lost all confidence in their own civilisation. They decided that their civilisation was worthless and it was better to be docile American vassals, and in future to let the Americans make the decisions and do the fighting.

    Meanwhile they would sedate themselves with hedonism, consumerism and virtue-signalling.

    If you want to find someone to blame, blame the elites who blundered their way into the First World War. And blame evil manipulative schemers like Winston Churchill who did everything they could to bring that war about.
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  114. @The Alarmist

    "I guess that means we should undo the American Revolution."
     
    Given the regal powers our Executive and Judiciary have assumed, and given the sclerotic tendencies the legislature has assumed (The US Senate has less turnover than the House of Lords), a return to rule by Westminster and the Crown might not be such a bad thing. Maybe we could do a reverse takeover, a "merger of equals" so to say, and find some way to keep the best bits while looking for synergies.

    Speaking as a Brit, I think would be easier and better to return to yhe sysyem your Founding Fathers envisioned.

    At least George Washington could still be avknowledged in the church where he worshipped…

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  115. @Buck
    40% is Pakistani, African, Middle-Eastern, or some other Asian. That's pretty crazy in just two generations. That's got to make legacy Brits uneasy.

    It’s also bollocks as Britain is still 85% white.

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  116. @Barnard
    Right, they mean the rest is what they classify as British Isles. By European they mean continential Europe.

    Yeah, but even that doesn’t add up. DNA studies have demonstrated that most white Britons descend from people who arrived in the iron age.

    They’re not only playing fast and loose with what constitutes a European, but what constitutes a Briton, too.

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  117. @Steve Sailer
    "I saw five volcanoes today." -- Bill Walton

    Flying from California to Portland, you could see Mt. Lassen, Mt. Shasta, Mt. Manzanar (Crater Lake), Mt. Hood, and, north in Washington, Mt. St. Helens. (Maybe I missed one?) They are very large and much in a straight line regularly spaced -- quite memorable to see from an airplane.

    Mt. Adams too.

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  118. @Ricky Vaughn
    OT - white supremacist shoots up minority elementary school with full auto AR-15 machine gun. Surely this will be the end of Drumpf.

    Very poor effort, Tiny. Your parody troll is much better.

    You need to raise your game.

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  119. @Hippopotamusdrome


    To be fair, maybe he is a “white-hispanic”.

     

    Update, accordung to the official arrest record, Nicolas De Jesus Cruz is just "white".

    Score a point for Unz's "don't His-panic" article. Hispanics still have low crime rates and have never murdered a native White.

    Even Breitbart is calling him a white nationalist now.

    It’s not going to be pretty.

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  120. @The Alarmist

    "I think the last time they were invaded, at least militarily, was 1066."
     
    There was that invasion by William of Orange in 1688. The Brits call it the "Glorious Revolution" to downplay a number of Constitutional and historical incongruities, not the least of which was that it was in fact an invasion by a foreign force.

    A foreign force invited in by Parliament to overthrow an allegedly Catholic king and return England to the Protestant world.

    Parliament even imposed conditions on William of Orange in order for him to rule.

    A rather bizarre ‘conquest’ if you ask me…

    The Norman conqueat, by contrast, was exactly that.

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    A foreign force invited in by Parliament to overthrow an allegedly Catholic king and return England to the Protestant world.

    Parliament even imposed conditions on William of Orange in order for him to rule.

    A rather bizarre ‘conquest’ if you ask me…
     
    It was a catastrophe, but I agree it wasn't quite a foreign invasion.

    As was to become the universal pattern in British history the real danger was from the traitors within. Especially the traitors sitting in Parliament.
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  121. @Anonymous
    Are Brits considered white?

    We’re the only white people. The rest of you are just high yellows.

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  122. @Fredrik
    They are to the Brexiteers. They prefer Commonwealth immigrants instead.

    It then annoys them when it's pointed out that Commonwealth means India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Australia and New Zealand are further down the list and have minuscule populations compared to the others.

    What's happening is that the anti-immigrant masses of England are being duped by the Tory leaders who wants to turn the country into their own personal fiefdom. It's sad that people still seem to believe Brexit is about reducing non-white immigration. It's about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand.

    Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad...

    It seems no matter how many times this is demonstrated to be nonsense, someone will still repeat it.

    1) The people who voted Brexit are the same people who oppose inmigration — especially Muslim immigration — and multiculturalism. By contrast, those in favour of immigration (especially non-white) and multiculturalism voted remain

    2) Black and Muslim Britons [sic] voted in excess of 70% for remain. The reason London voted overwhelmingly for remain is because it is only 45% wite British or what we would simply haved called British as recently as 20 years ago.

    3) If you don’t understand, a la Richard Spencer, why one can be hostile to the EU but have no problem with Europe, all I can recommend is that you visit a few credible anti-EU websites. I simply haven’t the time to educate you.

    4) Commonwealth is often code for ‘white commonwealth’ as in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Everyone in Britain understands that. You are the one labouring under a misapprehension. And yes, we do have more in common with white Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders than we do with Continental Europeans.

    If by being removed from European influence, you mean being removed from the influence of mad Mutti Merkel and her million man Muslim march, well thank God for that.

    Please stop talking rubbish. Thanks.

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  123. @Anonymous

    Thank God for Brexit.
     
    And that is Reason #1 why they'll stop at nothing to reverse Brexit.

    Similarly why States' Rights in the USA had to be squashed.

    The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom.

    You’re quite correct. Even now I’m amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We’re not that important. Haven’t they more serious issues to cover?

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    You’re quite correct. Even now I’m amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We’re not that important. Haven’t they more serious issues to cover?
     
    If the British people are allowed to get away with the outrageous idea of thinking they have the right to control their own destiny other peoples might get the same dangerous idea.
    , @Anonymous
    It's all part of geopolitical power play.
    Basically, Davos Man, the Deep State, The Economist, Soros etc see the world in terms of 'blocs'. The wish to foster the EU to form a pan Atlantic neo liberal bloc.
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  124. @Barnard
    I don't understand how they determine their classifications for each group. We recently had my wife's DNA test come back from Ancestry. Based on genealogy, I figured she would come back at about 1/3 Great Britain. We can verify that she is descended from Mayflower passengers and has another line that goes back to Normans who settled in England after the conquest.

    Her results came back as 80% Europe West and 15% Irish/Scotland/Wales with 3% East Europe and 1% Great Britain. I found one Welsh ancestor, but it is so far back you would expect her to be about as Welsh as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee. We haven't found any Irish or Scottish ancestors. Even if they count all the Norman ancestry as French, they still would have mixed other English families based on the surnames we found in the family tree. I understand the concept of inheriting certain DNA markers from each parent, but don't understand how they divide each group.

    To me this suggests that the DNA they can’t classify as specifically British is just going into a larger bucket called “Northwest European” or whatever. It doesn’t mean that your wife isn’t largely British in ancestral terms. It just means they can’t definitvely separate it from the rest of NW Europe.

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    Right.
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  125. @Harold
    Even growing up in New Zealand the term Europe always referred to continental Europe and excluded the mother country, Britain. I remember I found it very odd when I first heard Brits described as European, just as Americans, at least of a certain age, might find it odd that Asian in Britain encompasses people from the Indian subcontinent.

    19th century Americans also meant Continental Europe when they said Europe.

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  126. @JollyOldSoul
    To me this suggests that the DNA they can't classify as specifically British is just going into a larger bucket called "Northwest European" or whatever. It doesn't mean that your wife isn't largely British in ancestral terms. It just means they can't definitvely separate it from the rest of NW Europe.

    Right.

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  127. @Fredrik
    They are to the Brexiteers. They prefer Commonwealth immigrants instead.

    It then annoys them when it's pointed out that Commonwealth means India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria. Australia and New Zealand are further down the list and have minuscule populations compared to the others.

    What's happening is that the anti-immigrant masses of England are being duped by the Tory leaders who wants to turn the country into their own personal fiefdom. It's sad that people still seem to believe Brexit is about reducing non-white immigration. It's about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand.

    Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad...

    “It’s about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand. Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad…”

    A Corbyn government post-Brexit wouldn’t be the end of the world. By definition, if you accept the idea of nationalisation you accept the idea of the nation. But more to the point, we can vote out Corbyn, but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.

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    ...but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.
     
    We get precisely as many chances to vote them out as we get to vote them in. Ditto the Commission's "President".

    Nor do "we" the people vote for the national politicians who sit on the Council of Ministers. They are appointed by the Prime Minister and vote according to his/her instructions.

    And if the majority of ministers vote against the wishes of a national government and its population, that's "democracy" EU style.

    Think of it as the blueprint for a world government in a borderless New World Order.

    From the historylearning.co.uk site:

    The European Commission, arguably the most controversial of the EU’s institutions, is based in Brussels and draws up treaties, laws and policies. In this sense, the European Commission is an extremely important and powerful body that has the right to impose its decisions on member states of the European Union (EU) and it is this fact that concerns many people involved in British politics.

    The European Commission was created in 1957 by the Treaty of Rome. It is made up of bureaucrats from each country that belongs to the EU – in this sense, it is the civil service of the EU, but a civil service that has legislative and executive powers. These bureaucrats are expected to work for the EU and not their parent country i.e. their loyalty is to the EU and they do not undermine the authority of the EU in favour of their home country...
     
    , @helena
    If McDonnell and Corbyn get in they will fiddle with the constitution/parliamentary rules on the basis that nationalisation is a long term programme (railway licences are not due for renewal for 15yrs - something like that). Those two want permanent revolution. UK'd be absolutely stuffed.
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  128. @istevefan
    I don't get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight. Maybe something has been put into the water supply. Maybe it has to do with modern food. I keep hearing reports about men today having less testosterone than their dads and granddads.

    Yes, but come on iSteve, would Americans in the first part of the Twenieth Century tolerate, among other things, an invasion from Mexico, acts of spontaneous blackness, gay marriage, the destruction of Confederate monuments and the disparagement of George Washington and Andrew Jackson?

    This goes far beyond Europe, I’m afraid.

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    In all honesty it is worse on this side of the Atlantic. After all our Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to deal with a hostile government. And what good has it done?
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  129. @istevefan
    I don't get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight. Maybe something has been put into the water supply. Maybe it has to do with modern food. I keep hearing reports about men today having less testosterone than their dads and granddads.

    Even 20 years ago, turning a few football hooligans loose on the refuvasion would have done the trick. Just tell all the Tottenham Hotspur supporters those balding “youths” are Arsenal.

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    Are there still football hooligans? I recall hearing about all those riots in the '80s, but I don't recall hearing anything like that in at least 20 years. Do they still exist?
    , @helena
    Also the out of control London gangs could be trained up and deployed to Calais.
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  130. Even Breitbart is calling him a white nationalist now.

    It’s not going to be pretty.

    I say he’s a Jew.

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    I'm curious about this myself.

    The sheriff of Broward County is surnamed "Israel," the first girl interviewed on (can't recall which mainstream) news outlet X referred to having been in "Holocaust class" "when the shooting started," and somebody at /pol/ had a social media capture involving some ROTC kid from Israel (or something--don't quote me on that, I only remember comments in Hebrew and the Israeli flag).

    I've commented a few bits above about the phenomenon of Jewish kids being adopted into non-Jewish families and vice-versa.
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  131. @celt darnell
    Yes, but come on iSteve, would Americans in the first part of the Twenieth Century tolerate, among other things, an invasion from Mexico, acts of spontaneous blackness, gay marriage, the destruction of Confederate monuments and the disparagement of George Washington and Andrew Jackson?

    This goes far beyond Europe, I'm afraid.

    In all honesty it is worse on this side of the Atlantic. After all our Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to deal with a hostile government. And what good has it done?

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    After all our Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to deal with a hostile government. And what good has it done?
     
    The 2nd Amendment is still there. Let's hope we don't need to use it.
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  132. @stillCARealist
    Yeah it turns out the shared part is a lot less important than the un-shared part.

    Diversity matters! Let's keep Britain British and the Euros Euro. If they all blend together then we lose diversity.

    Diversity matters! Let’s keep Britain British and the Euros Euro. If they all blend together then we lose diversity.

    You just don’t understand how diversity works. We will only have true diversity when we have a single brown race ruled by a single global government, all speaking the same language (American English), all watching the same movies, all reading the same books, all holding the same opinions, all thinking the same thoughts, all posting exactly the same stuff on facebook, all genderfluid. What could be more diverse than that?

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  133. @unpc downunder
    Europe is unlikely to be overrun by Muslims because Muslims don't like capitalism, aren't docile workers, and dislike both Western liberalism and western religious conservatism. Hence, there is already a lot of push back to Muslim immigration in nations as diverse as Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Hungary and the Netherlands.

    The groups that are most likely to overrun the West are those that attract the least opposition. While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.

    While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.

    It’s happening quietly but it’s also happening very quickly.

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  134. @istevefan
    I don't get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight. Maybe something has been put into the water supply. Maybe it has to do with modern food. I keep hearing reports about men today having less testosterone than their dads and granddads.

    I don’t get the passivity of Europeans today. At this point I am grasping at straws to determine what happened to a people who a little over half a century ago were eager to fight.

    They were a bit too eager to fight. The two world wars all but destroyed European civilisation. Europeans got scared. They lost all confidence in their own civilisation. They decided that their civilisation was worthless and it was better to be docile American vassals, and in future to let the Americans make the decisions and do the fighting.

    Meanwhile they would sedate themselves with hedonism, consumerism and virtue-signalling.

    If you want to find someone to blame, blame the elites who blundered their way into the First World War. And blame evil manipulative schemers like Winston Churchill who did everything they could to bring that war about.

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  135. @YetAnotherAnon
    "It’s about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand. Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad…"

    A Corbyn government post-Brexit wouldn't be the end of the world. By definition, if you accept the idea of nationalisation you accept the idea of the nation. But more to the point, we can vote out Corbyn, but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.

    …but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.

    We get precisely as many chances to vote them out as we get to vote them in. Ditto the Commission’s “President”.

    Nor do “we” the people vote for the national politicians who sit on the Council of Ministers. They are appointed by the Prime Minister and vote according to his/her instructions.

    And if the majority of ministers vote against the wishes of a national government and its population, that’s “democracy” EU style.

    Think of it as the blueprint for a world government in a borderless New World Order.

    From the historylearning.co.uk site:

    The European Commission, arguably the most controversial of the EU’s institutions, is based in Brussels and draws up treaties, laws and policies. In this sense, the European Commission is an extremely important and powerful body that has the right to impose its decisions on member states of the European Union (EU) and it is this fact that concerns many people involved in British politics.

    The European Commission was created in 1957 by the Treaty of Rome. It is made up of bureaucrats from each country that belongs to the EU – in this sense, it is the civil service of the EU, but a civil service that has legislative and executive powers. These bureaucrats are expected to work for the EU and not their parent country i.e. their loyalty is to the EU and they do not undermine the authority of the EU in favour of their home country…

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  136. @celt darnell
    A foreign force invited in by Parliament to overthrow an allegedly Catholic king and return England to the Protestant world.

    Parliament even imposed conditions on William of Orange in order for him to rule.

    A rather bizarre 'conquest' if you ask me...

    The Norman conqueat, by contrast, was exactly that.

    A foreign force invited in by Parliament to overthrow an allegedly Catholic king and return England to the Protestant world.

    Parliament even imposed conditions on William of Orange in order for him to rule.

    A rather bizarre ‘conquest’ if you ask me…

    It was a catastrophe, but I agree it wasn’t quite a foreign invasion.

    As was to become the universal pattern in British history the real danger was from the traitors within. Especially the traitors sitting in Parliament.

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  137. @celt darnell
    You're quite correct. Even now I'm amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We're not that important. Haven't they more serious issues to cover?

    You’re quite correct. Even now I’m amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We’re not that important. Haven’t they more serious issues to cover?

    If the British people are allowed to get away with the outrageous idea of thinking they have the right to control their own destiny other peoples might get the same dangerous idea.

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  138. @Rosamond Vincy
    Even 20 years ago, turning a few football hooligans loose on the refuvasion would have done the trick. Just tell all the Tottenham Hotspur supporters those balding "youths" are Arsenal.

    Are there still football hooligans? I recall hearing about all those riots in the ’80s, but I don’t recall hearing anything like that in at least 20 years. Do they still exist?

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    Not if the low-testosterone theory is true.
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  139. @istevefan
    In all honesty it is worse on this side of the Atlantic. After all our Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to deal with a hostile government. And what good has it done?

    After all our Founders gave us the 2nd Amendment to deal with a hostile government. And what good has it done?

    The 2nd Amendment is still there. Let’s hope we don’t need to use it.

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  140. @istevefan
    Are there still football hooligans? I recall hearing about all those riots in the '80s, but I don't recall hearing anything like that in at least 20 years. Do they still exist?

    Not if the low-testosterone theory is true.

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  141. @Thomas
    Maybe not so OT.

    Friends said he spoke little of his relatives. He and his brother were adopted when they were young by Lynda and Roger Cruz, of Long Island, New York, according to relatives. They raised the boys in Parkland.

    Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.
     
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html

    Another Elliot Rodger "supreme gentleman?" Men: don't abandon your seed to become "mystery meat," and don't raise another man's "mystery meat."

    Agree with BB…but what caught my eye here was the Long Island, NY, adoption, and a “former sister-in-law” named Kumbatovich.

    Were the Cruzes Jewish perchance? New York has the nation’s most draconian laws regarding adoptees not being permitted to know their biological origins/families and vice versa. During the period of the heaviest trafficking of unwanted or accidental infants/children, ’40s to ’70s approx, a lot of non-Jewish kids were adopted into Jewish families, often via “family doctors” who provided illegal abortion services in some cases and sotto voce placement of the infant in others. (Some Planned Parenthood/pro-Roe v Wade folks I knew in the ’70s claimed they pushed for legalizing abortion in part to stanch this infant trafficking.)

    Some of it must have resulted in genetic tension.

    But it sounds like this mystery meat fellow came later than that.

    Adoption is great if the genetic origin of the biological and adoptive parents can be fairly close. But, say, sticking a Scandinavian/English kid in a family of, say, Russian or Hungarian Jews, or a mestizo/black kid among Chinese, or whatever is likely to lead to all sorts of confusion–little of it recognized at present because, you know, children are blank slates, and love makes a family, and all that.

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  142. @Svigor

    Even Breitbart is calling him a white nationalist now.

    It’s not going to be pretty.
     
    I say he's a Jew.

    I’m curious about this myself.

    The sheriff of Broward County is surnamed “Israel,” the first girl interviewed on (can’t recall which mainstream) news outlet X referred to having been in “Holocaust class” “when the shooting started,” and somebody at /pol/ had a social media capture involving some ROTC kid from Israel (or something–don’t quote me on that, I only remember comments in Hebrew and the Israeli flag).

    I’ve commented a few bits above about the phenomenon of Jewish kids being adopted into non-Jewish families and vice-versa.

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    Israel is used as a male given name by some thoroughly Catholic Gentile Hispanics. It's not very common but it's not completely unheard-of. There was an Israel Somethingarez on a short-lived conservative TV station in the nineties.
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  143. @YetAnotherAnon
    "It’s about removing European influence from the country so that the upper class will have a free hand. Unfortunately this would also mean that when Labour wins elections they will nationalize industries just like they did before. Too bad…"

    A Corbyn government post-Brexit wouldn't be the end of the world. By definition, if you accept the idea of nationalisation you accept the idea of the nation. But more to the point, we can vote out Corbyn, but we get very few chances to vote out the European Commission.

    If McDonnell and Corbyn get in they will fiddle with the constitution/parliamentary rules on the basis that nationalisation is a long term programme (railway licences are not due for renewal for 15yrs – something like that). Those two want permanent revolution. UK’d be absolutely stuffed.

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    We had nationalised railways, buses, steel, coal, power, gas, water, nuclear, phones, post, even a few state-owned pubs (in Carlisle) right up until the Thatcher administration. Life for working people was improving during most of those years. And my water bills are ten times what they were.

    No government can commit its successors, they'll have a hard time changing that, in fact an impossible one. Only possibility is 'poison pill' e.g. where government gives someone a long term contract with punitive terms for early termination. A lot easier to do with a privatised entity than a nationalised one.

    My main worry with Corbyn is that he might open the borders even more, a la Merkel.

    The Alarmist - Westminster has been complicit in the destruction.

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  144. @Rosamond Vincy
    Even 20 years ago, turning a few football hooligans loose on the refuvasion would have done the trick. Just tell all the Tottenham Hotspur supporters those balding "youths" are Arsenal.

    Also the out of control London gangs could be trained up and deployed to Calais.

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    Helena - those out of control gangs are mostly non-English, I suppose they could become mercenaries.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Not if they're made up of Rapefugees.
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  145. Are they that clueless or does the Narrative hold that firm in Britain that the irony of invoking “DNA” as the globalist pitch goes unnoticed? So, when you’re only 40 percent “European” and dropping, as you presumably intend with the importation of non-European DNA, the connection to the continent is lessened, and that’s bad, right guys? No. Because diversity. And vote remain, because DNA.

    Hang them for their stupidity as well as their crimes.

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  146. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Europe is unlikely to be overrun by Muslims because Muslims don't like capitalism, aren't docile workers, and dislike both Western liberalism and western religious conservatism. Hence, there is already a lot of push back to Muslim immigration in nations as diverse as Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Hungary and the Netherlands.

    The groups that are most likely to overrun the West are those that attract the least opposition. While the neocon right drones on about Islam in Europe, Asians and Latin Americans are quietly taking over Australia, Canada, New Zealand and most of the American South West.

    Don’t count on it.

    The left wishes to import Muslims purely to overturn society.
    The hard Economist right wish to import Muslims due to pure pig headed arrogant obstinate STUPIDITY.

    Unfortunately, both these factions, in particular The Economist magazine, wield enormous power.

    If you want to know what the British Deep State thinks, read The Economist.

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  147. @celt darnell
    You're quite correct. Even now I'm amazed at how much opposition exists towards Brexit inside and outside the UK. Just the other day, the NY Times had yet another hostile article on it.

    We're not that important. Haven't they more serious issues to cover?

    It’s all part of geopolitical power play.
    Basically, Davos Man, the Deep State, The Economist, Soros etc see the world in terms of ‘blocs’. The wish to foster the EU to form a pan Atlantic neo liberal bloc.

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  148. The only true Europeans are the Sami

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    The only true Europeans are the Neanderthal. The rest of us are genocidal interlopers. #NeanderthalRevanchism #ReconquerEurasia
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  149. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve never ever thought of the EU as a ‘motherland’, nor had any affection whatsoever for it.
    For the most psrt, I never even think about it.
    Lately, my hostility towards it has grown, massively, due to its utter stupidity and incompetence in handling the hostile third world invasion of Europe. Also consider the rubbish light weight fools who have dictatorial ‘commissioner’ power in the EU such arses as Cecilia Malmstrom, Emma Bonino, Federica Mogherini, Peter Mandelson, Juncker and other assorted scum, idiots, fools, knaves etc.

    The EU was sold to Britons as a means of reversing ‘economic decline’. Economic growth rates were higher before UK EU Accession than after.

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  150. @Stan Adams
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that Britain is rapidly devolving into a Third World shithole, that Westminster and the Crown have been utterly ineffective (at best) at stopping or even slowing this devolution, that Brexit is not a done deal by any means, that anyone who advocates for the abolition of American sovereignty and the total consolidation of Anglo-American political power in Londonistan is spouting imbecilic nonsense.

    When, in the course of human events, a Queen stands by and does nothing while her kingdom is overrun, she is unworthy of serving as even a symbolic leader.

    Wasn't "keep the best bits while looking for synergies" the pitch for the European Union?

    “… Britain is rapidly devolving into a Third World shithole, that Westminster and the Crown have been utterly ineffective (at best) at stopping or even slowing this devolution ….”

    Let’s stand Occam’s Razor on its head … which is more likely: A series of legislative, judicial and executive blunders over decades that have brought a once mighty empire to its knees; or, a well organised cabal deciding to destroy that empire from within.

    It’s been all downhill since the Parliament Act of 1911. When Britain started debasing the Lords, the people who had the biggest stake in maintaining the United Kingdom (and Empire for that matter) no longer had much stake in its fortunes, so of course they go along with and even promote some of the nonsense that is destroying Britain, where once they could and would have stopped it. As for the Crown, it was neutered in the 1700s.

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  151. @helena
    If McDonnell and Corbyn get in they will fiddle with the constitution/parliamentary rules on the basis that nationalisation is a long term programme (railway licences are not due for renewal for 15yrs - something like that). Those two want permanent revolution. UK'd be absolutely stuffed.

    We had nationalised railways, buses, steel, coal, power, gas, water, nuclear, phones, post, even a few state-owned pubs (in Carlisle) right up until the Thatcher administration. Life for working people was improving during most of those years. And my water bills are ten times what they were.

    No government can commit its successors, they’ll have a hard time changing that, in fact an impossible one. Only possibility is ‘poison pill’ e.g. where government gives someone a long term contract with punitive terms for early termination. A lot easier to do with a privatised entity than a nationalised one.

    My main worry with Corbyn is that he might open the borders even more, a la Merkel.

    The Alarmist – Westminster has been complicit in the destruction.

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    My main worry with Corbyn is that he might open the borders even more, a la Merkel.
     
    That's a valid worry if we recall his views when he became Labour Party leader.

    From the Daily Mail, October 2015:

    New Labour split over migrant crisis:
    Party out of touch on immigration warns Burnham as Corbyn describes influx as 'an opportunity'
    Jeremy Corbyn said that mass migration was 'not necessarily a problem'

    [...]
    And yesterday Labour’s new leader insisted that immigration was not an issue people should be concerned about. Mr Corbyn said: ‘People that have migrated to this country over many years have made an enormous contribution to our society, helped our economic growth, helped our health service and helped our social services and our education services, so don’t look upon immigration as necessarily a problem, it’s often a very great opportunity."
    [...]
    I don’t think immigration, as such, has been anything but a plus to our economic development and the diversity of our society and economy.’

    Mr Corbyn conceded that there was a need to spend more on housing, schools and hospitals in some areas to ease the pressure on public services in areas of high immigration.

    But he suggested he was not in favour of controlling the number of people who come to this country. ‘In the past there was mass emigration from Britain, now there is some immigration to Britain,’ he said.

     

    His closest colleague, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is not concerned at the prospect of open borders.

    Also from the Daily Mail:

    'Completely open borders are inevitable,' predicts Labour's John McDonnell
    Shadow chancellor said global movements would make borders irrelevant


    McDonnell said poverty and climate change would drive migration. He claimed totally open borders 'would occur' by the end of the century.
     
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  152. @helena
    Also the out of control London gangs could be trained up and deployed to Calais.

    Helena – those out of control gangs are mostly non-English, I suppose they could become mercenaries.

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  153. @helena
    Also the out of control London gangs could be trained up and deployed to Calais.

    Not if they’re made up of Rapefugees.

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  154. @jim jones
    The only true Europeans are the Sami

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Saami_Family_1900.jpg/1280px-Saami_Family_1900.jpg

    The only true Europeans are the Neanderthal. The rest of us are genocidal interlopers. #NeanderthalRevanchism #ReconquerEurasia

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    Well, if you lot are using 23andMe and comparing your # Neanderthal alleles rank, I'm the guy you're being compared to. Or anyway one of them.

    Sami too. Guess I'm covered either way. Booyah.

    Buddy who works at The Evergreen State College was talking to a buddy of his there who is of Pacific Islander ancestry (about 25%). The latter was shaking his head over being told he qualifies as "indigenous" and thus can get all sorts of whatever whatever at the college.

    He said he told one of the Dreamcatcher Ladies (the Warren/Pocahantas types who run the "native studies/arts" schtick there) who was enthusing over his PI fraction, "I'm not indigenous to here, I'm indigenous to a bunch of islands halfway across the planet to the west."

    Her reply was that Pacific Islanders ARE Pacific Indigenous because Pacific Northwest Indigenous People share the same ocean.

    He replied, "What about Mesoamericans--are they Pacific Indigenous? How far inland do Mexicans have to live to be Atlantic Indigenous? This makes no sense. Also all oceans are connected. It's all the same puddle of salt water that we give different local names. So that means everybody is Pacific Northwest Indigenous, doesn't it?"

    He said she stared at him, then stammered a bit, then broke off the conversation.

    He told my buddy, "Tell Olorin that by this definition, all that ancestral Arctic seafaring may qualify a Sami, Finn, and Yakutian genetics guy as Pacific Indigenous."

    That gives me nothing to sign up for in my current walk of life, but it's neat to go around now realizing I'm both Pacific Indigenous AND one of The Only True Europeans.

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  155. @anon
    The only true Europeans are the Neanderthal. The rest of us are genocidal interlopers. #NeanderthalRevanchism #ReconquerEurasia

    Well, if you lot are using 23andMe and comparing your # Neanderthal alleles rank, I’m the guy you’re being compared to. Or anyway one of them.

    Sami too. Guess I’m covered either way. Booyah.

    Buddy who works at The Evergreen State College was talking to a buddy of his there who is of Pacific Islander ancestry (about 25%). The latter was shaking his head over being told he qualifies as “indigenous” and thus can get all sorts of whatever whatever at the college.

    He said he told one of the Dreamcatcher Ladies (the Warren/Pocahantas types who run the “native studies/arts” schtick there) who was enthusing over his PI fraction, “I’m not indigenous to here, I’m indigenous to a bunch of islands halfway across the planet to the west.”

    Her reply was that Pacific Islanders ARE Pacific Indigenous because Pacific Northwest Indigenous People share the same ocean.

    He replied, “What about Mesoamericans–are they Pacific Indigenous? How far inland do Mexicans have to live to be Atlantic Indigenous? This makes no sense. Also all oceans are connected. It’s all the same puddle of salt water that we give different local names. So that means everybody is Pacific Northwest Indigenous, doesn’t it?”

    He said she stared at him, then stammered a bit, then broke off the conversation.

    He told my buddy, “Tell Olorin that by this definition, all that ancestral Arctic seafaring may qualify a Sami, Finn, and Yakutian genetics guy as Pacific Indigenous.”

    That gives me nothing to sign up for in my current walk of life, but it’s neat to go around now realizing I’m both Pacific Indigenous AND one of The Only True Europeans.

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  156. @Charles Pewitt
    The "moneyed" cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the "big print."

    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

    This oncoming global financial implosion will set off the "big print."

    calm down, sheesh. And no “it won’t.” Tired, so GN

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  157. @Olorin
    I'm curious about this myself.

    The sheriff of Broward County is surnamed "Israel," the first girl interviewed on (can't recall which mainstream) news outlet X referred to having been in "Holocaust class" "when the shooting started," and somebody at /pol/ had a social media capture involving some ROTC kid from Israel (or something--don't quote me on that, I only remember comments in Hebrew and the Israeli flag).

    I've commented a few bits above about the phenomenon of Jewish kids being adopted into non-Jewish families and vice-versa.

    Israel is used as a male given name by some thoroughly Catholic Gentile Hispanics. It’s not very common but it’s not completely unheard-of. There was an Israel Somethingarez on a short-lived conservative TV station in the nineties.

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    There is a gay (Cuban?) sports guy on ESPN named Israel Guttierez. FWIW.
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  158. @Lagertha
    The elite Brits have all moved...or have recently moved, to the USA. NYC & Cali being the most popular. UK will become a wasteland as the moneyed leave, and the middle class is left behind with ever increasing numbers of hostile foreigners staking claim to England, This England. It is very sad.

    The world will become more Balkanized as white people, and elites of all races, flock into enclaves that will become fortresses/with extreme security and surveillance. It has already started. Most ordinary people are really, now, thought of as cannon fodder or fertilizer, by the global banking elite.

    nah, the teenagers (all over the world, for fucks sake) all anticipate that shit. They are all underground. Banks are done! haha! no one cares! Bitcoin wins! All of the myriads of systems of bitcoin…win. No more middlemen.

    Butcoin loses to Bitcoin…haha

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    Jeeesus. I should be a troublemaker by now, (no comments) but am now, a troublemaker again: History never leaves us.
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  159. @Anon
    I hate to say it, but TD is usually more skilled than this.

    jeesus, get some balls, you guys, TD is a fraud/bs/app.

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  160. @Lagertha
    nah, the teenagers (all over the world, for fucks sake) all anticipate that shit. They are all underground. Banks are done! haha! no one cares! Bitcoin wins! All of the myriads of systems of bitcoin...win. No more middlemen.

    Butcoin loses to Bitcoin...haha

    Jeeesus. I should be a troublemaker by now, (no comments) but am now, a troublemaker again: History never leaves us.

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  161. @Charles Pewitt
    The "moneyed" cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the "big print."

    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

    This oncoming global financial implosion will set off the "big print."

    why does everyone hate you?

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    I wrote:

    The “moneyed” cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the “big print.”

     


    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

     


    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

     

    You wrote:

    why does everyone hate you?

     

    My reply:

    You must have English and/or Scotch-Irish ancestry to have a blood feel for the banking shenanigans that have been going on in the United States since its creation. Andrew Jackson the Scotch-Irish warrior and Biddle the WASP turd banker and all that. Trans-Appalachian hinterlands under attack from the monetary policy of the "moneyed" East Coast banks.

    I presume you do have English ancestry but are somehow benefiting from the current banking shenanigans and monetary policy.

    Ask yourself what would happen if the federal funds rate were to go back to the so-called "normal" level of 6 percent? How about 22 percent federal funds rate in 1981?

    Politically, it is important to win the hearts of the Germans in the Great Lakes and the Anglo-Celts in the South. I have old stocker Anglo-Celtic ancestry and old stocker German ancestry. Someone like me is going to lead this nation out of this greedy trap the bankers have led us into.

    If I am wrong, and you have no English or Anglo-Celtic ancestry, you will never have a blood understanding of this nation. Cheers!
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  162. @J.Ross
    Israel is used as a male given name by some thoroughly Catholic Gentile Hispanics. It's not very common but it's not completely unheard-of. There was an Israel Somethingarez on a short-lived conservative TV station in the nineties.

    There is a gay (Cuban?) sports guy on ESPN named Israel Guttierez. FWIW.

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  163. @YetAnotherAnon
    We had nationalised railways, buses, steel, coal, power, gas, water, nuclear, phones, post, even a few state-owned pubs (in Carlisle) right up until the Thatcher administration. Life for working people was improving during most of those years. And my water bills are ten times what they were.

    No government can commit its successors, they'll have a hard time changing that, in fact an impossible one. Only possibility is 'poison pill' e.g. where government gives someone a long term contract with punitive terms for early termination. A lot easier to do with a privatised entity than a nationalised one.

    My main worry with Corbyn is that he might open the borders even more, a la Merkel.

    The Alarmist - Westminster has been complicit in the destruction.

    My main worry with Corbyn is that he might open the borders even more, a la Merkel.

    That’s a valid worry if we recall his views when he became Labour Party leader.

    From the Daily Mail, October 2015:

    New Labour split over migrant crisis:
    Party out of touch on immigration warns Burnham as Corbyn describes influx as ‘an opportunity’
    Jeremy Corbyn said that mass migration was ‘not necessarily a problem’

    [...]
    And yesterday Labour’s new leader insisted that immigration was not an issue people should be concerned about. Mr Corbyn said: ‘People that have migrated to this country over many years have made an enormous contribution to our society, helped our economic growth, helped our health service and helped our social services and our education services, so don’t look upon immigration as necessarily a problem, it’s often a very great opportunity.”
    [...]
    I don’t think immigration, as such, has been anything but a plus to our economic development and the diversity of our society and economy.’

    Mr Corbyn conceded that there was a need to spend more on housing, schools and hospitals in some areas to ease the pressure on public services in areas of high immigration.

    But he suggested he was not in favour of controlling the number of people who come to this country. ‘In the past there was mass emigration from Britain, now there is some immigration to Britain,’ he said.

    His closest colleague, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is not concerned at the prospect of open borders.

    Also from the Daily Mail:

    ‘Completely open borders are inevitable,’ predicts Labour’s John McDonnell
    Shadow chancellor said global movements would make borders irrelevant

    McDonnell said poverty and climate change would drive migration. He claimed totally open borders ‘would occur’ by the end of the century.

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  164. @Tiny Duck Fan
    What white supremacists don't understand is that they are already part neanderthal and therefore don't exist. Africans don't have any neanderthal, and through their purity do exist.

    You white supremacists are just angry because the melting pot of humanity will blend white people into a rich brown soup of Africans, Asians and Indigenous Americans. Once your uniqueness has been submerged into the Borg body of the post-racial human utopia, the cancer of white male supremacy will finally be gone from human history, and Jewish lesbians like myself -- I mean, anti-racist panhumans like myself will guide humanity to its bright future.

    We will have true diversity once everyone looks the same and white people are gone. That is the future, and without my guidance, you will not survive.

    Tiny! Don’t drop the facade. You’re much better playing it straight.Tiny! Don’t drop the facade. You’re much better playing it straight.

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  165. @Anonymous
    No. No. No.

    The main portal of third world immigration to the UK is - or very soon will be - the EU.
    Those thousands and thousands given 'protection' courtesy of EU laws and currently languishing in Greece, Italy etc will, *inevitably* wind up eventually in northern European states with developed welfare states.
    Such as the UK - or even Sweden.

    Thank God for Brexit.

    A bullet was certainly dodged.

    Bullet-dodging is certainly being attempted, but it seems to me the bullet is still in flight. The war is far from over, and the battle isn’t even over. It’s just that an attempt has been made to avoid one attack – and it is not yet successful.

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  166. @Lagertha
    why does everyone hate you?

    I wrote:

    The “moneyed” cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the “big print.”

    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

    You wrote:

    why does everyone hate you?

    My reply:

    You must have English and/or Scotch-Irish ancestry to have a blood feel for the banking shenanigans that have been going on in the United States since its creation. Andrew Jackson the Scotch-Irish warrior and Biddle the WASP turd banker and all that. Trans-Appalachian hinterlands under attack from the monetary policy of the “moneyed” East Coast banks.

    I presume you do have English ancestry but are somehow benefiting from the current banking shenanigans and monetary policy.

    Ask yourself what would happen if the federal funds rate were to go back to the so-called “normal” level of 6 percent? How about 22 percent federal funds rate in 1981?

    Politically, it is important to win the hearts of the Germans in the Great Lakes and the Anglo-Celts in the South. I have old stocker Anglo-Celtic ancestry and old stocker German ancestry. Someone like me is going to lead this nation out of this greedy trap the bankers have led us into.

    If I am wrong, and you have no English or Anglo-Celtic ancestry, you will never have a blood understanding of this nation. Cheers!

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    apologies...I was really effed up and depressed over shit that has nothing to do with you; I should not have been typing (Steve knows when I go to crayzy-town) , but I am also grown up - do get you. and, I am as revved up as you are, over everything .
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  167. @Charles Pewitt
    I wrote:

    The “moneyed” cohort everywhere will be financially liquidated by the “big print.”

     


    The central banker shysterism has gone so far into uncharted monetary policy territory that there is no going back. The denouement of all this central banker monetary extremism will be a massive money printing binge that will wipe out all national or regional or digital currencies.

     


    All monetary extremism of the sort currently underway lead to currency collapse and the destruction of purchasing power of the currency.

     

    You wrote:

    why does everyone hate you?

     

    My reply:

    You must have English and/or Scotch-Irish ancestry to have a blood feel for the banking shenanigans that have been going on in the United States since its creation. Andrew Jackson the Scotch-Irish warrior and Biddle the WASP turd banker and all that. Trans-Appalachian hinterlands under attack from the monetary policy of the "moneyed" East Coast banks.

    I presume you do have English ancestry but are somehow benefiting from the current banking shenanigans and monetary policy.

    Ask yourself what would happen if the federal funds rate were to go back to the so-called "normal" level of 6 percent? How about 22 percent federal funds rate in 1981?

    Politically, it is important to win the hearts of the Germans in the Great Lakes and the Anglo-Celts in the South. I have old stocker Anglo-Celtic ancestry and old stocker German ancestry. Someone like me is going to lead this nation out of this greedy trap the bankers have led us into.

    If I am wrong, and you have no English or Anglo-Celtic ancestry, you will never have a blood understanding of this nation. Cheers!

    apologies…I was really effed up and depressed over shit that has nothing to do with you; I should not have been typing (Steve knows when I go to crayzy-town) , but I am also grown up – do get you. and, I am as revved up as you are, over everything .

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