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An NYT opinion columnist has a sudden revelation:

America’s Cities Are Unlivable. Blame Wealthy Liberals.

The demise of a California housing measure shows how progressives abandon progressive values in their own backyards.

By Farhad Manjoo, Opinion Columnist

May 22, 2019

… Then there is the refusal on the part of wealthy progressives to live by the values they profess to support at the national level. Creating dense, economically and socially diverse urban environments ought to be a paramount goal of progressivism. Cities are the standard geographical unit of the global economy. Dense urban areas are quite literally the “real America” — the cities are where two-thirds of Americans live, and they account for almost all national economic output. Urban areas are the most environmentally friendly way we know of housing lots of people. We can’t solve the climate crisis without vastly improving public transportation and increasing urban density. More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.

Yet where progressives argue for openness and inclusion as a cudgel against President Trump, they abandon it on Nob Hill and in Beverly Hills. This explains the opposition to [California] SB 50, which aimed to address the housing shortage in a very straightforward way: by building more housing. The bill would have erased single-family zoning in populous areas near transit locations. Areas zoned for homes housing a handful of people could have been redeveloped to include duplexes and apartment buildings that housed hundreds.

The bill had garnered support from a diverse coalition of business and advocacy groups, and its sponsor, State Senator Scott Wiener, had negotiated a series of compromises with some of its fiercest opponents. Polls showed the measure to be widely popular. For the first time, something extraordinary looked possible: California’s wealthy homeowners would abandon their restrictionist attitudes and let us build some new housing.

Nope. Instead, Anthony Portantino, a Democratic state senator whose district includes the posh city of La Cañada Flintridge and who heads the appropriations committee, announced that he’d be shelving the bill until next year. In an interview with The Los Angeles Times, he worried that the law would spur lots of people to move near residential bus routes, which he suggested would alter the character of enclaves like his.

Reading opposition to SB 50 and other efforts at increasing density, I’m struck by an unsettling thought: What Republicans want to do with I.C.E. and border walls, wealthy progressive Democrats are doing with zoning and Nimbyism. Preserving “local character,” maintaining “local control,” keeping housing scarce and inaccessible — the goals of both sides are really the same: to keep people out.

“We’re saying we welcome immigration, we welcome refugees, we welcome outsiders — but you’ve got to have a $2 million entrance fee to live here, otherwise you can use this part of a sidewalk for a tent,” said Brian Hanlon, president of the pro-density group California Yimby. “That to me is not being very welcoming. It’s not being very neighborly.”

Next week, Farhad Manjoo will make jokes about Rob Reiner’sGet Out of My Sanctuary City, Lebowski” campaigns. And then he’ll ask: Why shouldn’t The Edge be allowed to build five houses on his 156 acres?

Of course, the Highest Value of Farhad “There’s Nothing Wrong With Open Borders” Manjoo is that America should import more Manjoos from the Subcontinent …

 
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  1. J.Ross says: • Website

    The fringes fray.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  2. To be fair to Farhad, he wasn’t here when CA liberals first started doing these nefarious things, so he’s just getting up to speed.

    Of course, like all these dopes, he acts like he’s the first one to notice, because how could any of us sodbustin’ ijits know something he doesn’t?!

    • Replies: @Forbes
  3. Daniel H says:

    Hardly needs to be stated that none of us here are allies of the Farhad Manjoos of the world, but again this is a trend – SJWs attacking SJWs – that we should be grateful for and encourage. You go boy, Manjoo (at least for now). Keep up the attack.

    • Replies: @Lot
  4. Manjoo…..GO BACK TO FUCKING INDIA!!!!

    A 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA did not have to import even one Hindu MD….one Hindu computer programmer….one Hindu engineer….one Hindu mathematician….even one Hindu physicist…..0 Hindus…..and not even one Hindu STREET SHITER….

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    , @Reg Cæsar
  5. Olorin says:

    Next week, Farhad Manjoo will make jokes about Rob Reiner’s “Get Out of My Sanctuary City, Lebowski” campaigns. And then he’ll ask: Why shouldn’t The Edge be allowed to build five houses on his 156 acres?

    Of course, the Highest Value of Farhad “There’s Nothing Wrong With Open Borders” Manjoo is that America should import more Manjoos from the Subcontinent …

    This.

    All this “blue city prog” bashing was always intended to set up Asians as the Wokest New “embracement of your replacement” Population on our shores.

    Preparatory to admitting them by the millions for all those high paid tech jobs and such that Americans Just Won’t Do. (Reports of high skilled white engineers as permatemps living in their cars or training their doltish replacements or wrangling them for bottom dollar/fixing their mistakes for half the salary and none of the affirmative action job security–that’s either nonsense or they deserve it for their racism, sexism, and general ismism.)

    After all, they all have High Tech Degrees from the likes of the University of Cheating Your Way To Credentials.

    And that gives them much more MERIT than native born/founding stock white men and women.

    We know this because the College Board is penalizing whites’ MERIT so that browns can get more.

    And as Tucker Carlson said, MERIT! Who can possibly be against it!? Especially when it is named Manjoo or Dingenberg or Chang!

  6. J.Ross says: • Website

    NPR likes to dismiss black on white crime as a fantasy or to never mention it; they love claiming that crime in general is down. Here is a guy who intervened to save an elderly couple from rampaging teenagers, and was badly hurt for his trouble.

    From NYPD: “Help us identify these suspects #wanted for an ASSAULT on 5/18 at 9:25am of a 38-year-old man who intervened while this group of teens harassed an elderly couple in front of 217 E 86th St. #UES $2,500 reward for info leading to arrests.

    Please ☎️ 1-800-577-TIPS or DM @NYPDTips.

    The victim suffered concussion to the head and broken teeth and was removed to the hospital for treatment.

    The persons wanted for questioning are described as three females and three males, 15-17 years of age. #UpperEastSide #Yorkville”

  7. Some people were saying a few years ago that it would get to the point where no amount of progressive masochism would shield white leftists from targeting. The CotF are coming for all whites.

    Just imagine John Matrix as the CotF and sully as the white progressives:

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  8. Manjoo…..that means shit in Hindi……

  9. Boethiuss says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Manjoo…..GO BACK TO FUCKING INDIA!!!!

    Yeah yeah yeah, like a gaggle of malcontents who can’t even be bothered to vote Republican are really gonna send a million Manjoos back to the subcontinent.

  10. metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.

    A pity, then, that he could enjoy Delhi’s 28.5 million soul-enriching urbanites, or even Mumbai’s 19.98, instead of settling for New York–Newark’s 18.8.

    And by 2035, Delhi’s projected to hit 43.3 and Mumbai 27.3, while NYC will only scrape up to 20.8. Just imagine what new Constables and Claude Lorraines India’s creative conurbations will birth!

    Or if he’s phoning it in from San Fran, that’s not even in the global top 30, which helps explain why it can’t compete with Bogota, Jakarta, or even Bangalore.

    Pity though about Delhi’s 229 mpcm average in atmospheric particulate matter to New York’s 16. A point in favor of giving them our industry though is their lag in nitrogen dioxide.

    Ironic, too, now that I think about it, that Mira Nair’s lovesong to Bombay, Monsoon Wedding, ends with the happy bride and groom and NYU-bound cousin all ready to gad off to the White White West.

  11. “Cities are the standard geographical unit of the global economy. Dense urban areas are quite literally the “real America” — the cities are where two-thirds of Americans live, and they account for almost all national economic output. Urban areas are the most environmentally friendly way we know of housing lots of people. We can’t solve the climate crisis without vastly improving public transportation and increasing urban density. More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.”

    Good Lord.

    In reality, cities are cesspools. Much of the “creativity” they indulge in today is tomorrow’s garbage. The people who live there are, generally, weak worker bees who can’t do anything for and by themselves. They’d better be “tolerant” because they don’t have the elbow room in which to turn around let alone spread their wings. And “progress” generally means some new apparatus designed to alleviate the suffering induced by their living in too close proximity to too many other human beings e.g. his “improving public transportation” etc.

    These are the values of a man who hails from the world’s second most populous country; a multifarious country where there is no privacy, where people shit and bathe in public. What is he doing here? Besides trying to make his new country into the same shithole as is his former?

    AntiYankee Go Home!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  12. Boethiuss says:
    @J.Ross

    The fringes fray.

    Yeah, sorta but not really. When we talk about fraying or Steve talks about KKKrazy Glue, I think our first perceptions are right for the most part, but what we conclude as a result is almost completely backwards.

    Instead of thinking that the other side is a bunch of Fringe-y stupid feral nasties, the way it looks to me is that the other side are intelligently, coldly, competently defending their status and position.

    It’s why I talk about supporting Republicans so much. It’s the one thing we have that might be strong enough organizationally to rack up some real wins.

    Steve complained a couple days ago that today’s racial climate, either dead-center mainstream or one inch away from it, is now what would be barely acceptable in the Oberlin College Race Studies Department in 1994. Well of course it is, why should it be any other way? We don’t have anything to stop it. The other side is not afraid that all of the sudden Trump’s approval rating is going to rocket up to 70%.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  13. J1234 says:
    @J.Ross

    they [NPR] love claiming that crime in general is down

    Unless they’re trying to get rid of guns. Then crime is intolerable.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  14. Some of my best friends are Manjoos, and once was told that I was a righteous gentile (as a kind of receipt for services rendered). Well, witness herewith a modest proposal. Has the notion of a righteous gentrifier been considered?

    BTW, it’s rather shocking to hear that Edge has accumulated 156 acres (!) in above-beach Malibu. California architects and their legal folk know how to build big properties across contiguous lots, such that they are in effect creating a big-assed home that’s considered to be – legally — multiple properties. And the beautiful people can build using recycled materials and/or so-called green methods, thereby assuaging any passing flashes of troublesome introspection.

  15. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    3229765

    Go back to Ireland you drunk bum.

  16. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    Think he actually snuck in from South Africa.

    Presumably a merchant family busy exploiting blacks there for the last 200 years until the heat got too hot so naturally we, as the dumping ground of the world, permitted him to settle among us.

  17. You raise up your head and you ask, “Is this where it is?”

    And somebody points to you and says, “It’s his”

    And you say, “What’s mine?” and somebody else says, “Where what is?”

    And you say, “Oh my God, am I here all alone?”

    But something is happening

    and you don’t know what it is

    Do you, Mr. Manjoo?

    • Replies: @Clyde
  18. sondjata says:

    “Dense urban areas are quite literally the “real America” — the cities are where two-thirds of Americans live, and they account for almost all national economic output.”

    Yeah, and these people living in “dense urban areas” depend on “fake America” for food, without which their “real America” couldn’t exist.

    I suppose next this fool will want all “real Americans’ to live in coffin apartments like they do in Hong Kong. That would be “efficient” wouldn’t it! I mean how dare people want to have a bedroom AND a bathroom!

    Let the “fake Americans” stop delivering food to these urban centers. Let the oil producing and processing “fake Americans” stop delivering the goods that make urban living even possible and see how the “real America” deals with reality.

  19. Mycale says:

    In ultra-leftist Brooklyn, you will frequently find “refugees welcome here” signs posted on the front window of places like expensive hipster coffee shops, yoga studios, high end wine shops, etc. Sometimes I am tempted to ask these places how many refugees are getting $5 lattes or $50 bottles of wine, but I worry it will get me unpersoned.

    … density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.

    The truth is that it is exactly the opposite. Nobody actually knows their neighbors in big cities, preferring to get take out and hang out in the relative quiet of their own homes. Deep down they worry they’ll be like the 38 year old in the tweet posted above. Or they will hang out with people of their own SES after they’re done with their make work jobs at town hall or building an app that resells food grown in rural Ohio or chic bedsheets made in Pennsylvania.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. The author might want to contact Robert Putnam in regards to diverse urban areas….

  21. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J1234

    How can I reech thees keeds?
    There’s an illustrative simultaneous parallel. A black woman on Twitter doxed and got into trouble two white kids, middle school students, because they had uploaded a recording of themselves singing a rap tune. The woman’s actual stated desire was that physical harm come to them, she specifically called for them to be shanked (or stabbed).
    These kids didn’t sing a lyric, these kids targeted elderly people and then viciously attacked a good Samaritan. And there’s probably absolutely nothing that will happen to them. If they are found, they’ll essentially transfer schools.

  22. @Olorin

    bored identity’s First Law of Terrible Dynamics:


    Any Society That Despises Banjo

    Eventually Will End With Manjoo

  23. Lot says:

    California’s cities are so unlivable that millions or billions of people would move there if they could and a 1-bedroom apartment costs $1800-5000/month.

    Livable Bombay:

    Awful Beverly Hills:

    Single family houses are racist, tear it down!

    https://thejigsawpuzzles.com/img-puzzle-6231587-1024/The-Witch-House-in-Beverly-Hills

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  24. Daniel H says:
    @Boethiuss

    Yeah yeah yeah, like a gaggle of malcontents who can’t even be bothered to vote Republican are really gonna send a million Manjoos back to the subcontinent.

    And what good does voting Republican do?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Boethiuss
  25. Altai says:

    More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul

    Only somebody named Manjoo living in a Western country could possibly come up with that. Name me a time and place where a society (Even current year America) ever avowed this statement.

    In reality Manjoo is a Starbucks-American, a kind of hollow creature that can’t survive too far from Dubaised globalisation. The way House Sparrows can no longer survive too far from human habitation and agriculture.

    America can’t do assimilation anymore, assimilation is 90% you being a sub 10% minority and a brown late Millennial and down born in a ‘diverse’ city won’t have been assimilated. And deep down he knows this and the thought brings him anxiety. Spare a thought for him, the countryside of a first world country actually scares him.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  26. Lot says:
    @Daniel H

    This isn’t SJW v SJW, it is homeowners v renters/developers.

    The reason the law failed is liberal homeowners defected to the position of the Cal GOP and away from the hard left. They feel guilty about selling out so they cover it with talk about neighborhood character and protecting the environment.

  27. This Manjoo guy is just doing the biddings of the developers. SB 50 is like the “Growth Management Act” of WA state, a shameless power grab from local communities by the state to force high density housing on all communities. The only people who benefit are the developers. They love building apartments, it’s much more lucrative than single family homes.

    Meanwhile, most homeless people are drug addicts, the mentally ill and criminals who can’t get jobs. It doesn’t matter how low the rent goes, people who can’t get jobs can’t afford apartments. We need to send these people out to the midwest to work in farms, take back the jobs from the illegals.

    But whatever, I’m not going to defend people who take pride in living in a sanctuary state. Let them reap what they sow.

  28. Meanwhile, LA is turning into a 3rd world city with piles of garbage and rats all over, truly disgusting:

    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
  29. 3229765

    I appreciate the sentiment, but for the style of angry white man prose, take a page from Charles Pewitt, the master of the genre. I will attempt pastiche…

    Farhad Manjoo says Americans have to open their back yards, not just their borders. Farhad Manjoo is a complaining brown HINDU fraud. Manjoo is just a dupe of JEW banker shysters who try to suppress wages for native-born WHITE Americans. We don’t need complaining brown HINDU frauds like Farhad Manjoo. Complaining brown HINDU frauds should go back to India!

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  30. “More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.”

    It’s often the seemingly toss away comments that contain the biggest unsupported lies. In actuality:

    Proximity + Diversity = Distrust + Conflict

  31. @Mycale

    Sometimes I am tempted to ask these places how many refugees are getting $5 lattes or $50 bottles of wine, but I worry it will get me unpersoned.

    Quit worrying about that and SAY IT! It’s a measly start, but it’s something. You can personned-up with some new people.

  32. @Daniel H

    And what good does voting Republican do?

    Voting Republican gets you immigration amnesty, lower taxes on the super-rich, and many new delightful wars for Israel.

    • Replies: @Tired of Not Winning
  33. @Boethiuss

    But it’s quite alright to import the MANJOO Democratic Party Voting Bloc from India……so they can vote The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majoity into a violently persecuted White Racial Minority within the borders of America…….No…this is not quite alright…..The Manjoo Democratic Party Voting Bloc….Foreign Interference in US ELECTIONS…..gets booted out of Our America……

    Preet Bharrara=Foreign Interference in US Elections……

  34. Rich hypocrites are welcoming welfare-aided illegal alien servants into their backyards to clean and nail down roofs on the cheap. At nighttime, they welcome illegal aliens into your backyard, while their own backyards are protected by multiple invisible walls, including the Housing Bubble Wall, which lacks a Big Beautiful Door for non-welfare-eligible citizens in the bottom 80%, facing 40 years of stagnant wages and rising, unaffordable rent. The impregnable Property Tax Wall is a blessing in disguise, further reinforcing the segregation of the top 20% of upper-caste citizens from the bottom 80% in the lower caste that could never afford that much in property tax, even if they could entertain the prospect of buying a house. All we need are some “untouchables,” and we will have the Complete Oligarchy Set.

  35. @Chrisnonymous

    Steve,
    Approve my pastiche!!

    (And I want to see an authentic Charles Pewitt comment in this vein too.)

  36. Moses says:

    Hot dang I would love to see low-income high-density housing for migrants built in Malibu, Marin County CA, North Arlington VA, Bethesda MD and Westchester County NY.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  37. @Tired of Not Winning

    OMG that’s horrific. I live in LA for post-graduate education and in the two years I’ve been here I have gradually become “woke” to the shithole-ness of this place. The fantasy of the California of my 1970s TV informed East Coast childhood dreams has become a vile and disgusting nightmare. I am leaving as soon as I finish my work here.

  38. Farhad Manjoo is a Muslim immigrant from South Africa, of Indian ethnicity. Manjoo used to be a technology columnist, but his best remembered column is this one:

    Men Should Wear Makeup. Looking Younger and Better Isn’t Just for Women

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
  39. Boethiuss says:
    @Daniel H

    And what good does voting Republican do?

    It creates the perception and reality of solidarity and common purpose for Americans against the Tiny Ducks of the world.

    Or more concretely in terms of today’s horse race: former VP Biden has surged to a substantial lead in the Democratic Presidential nomination, in contrast to a couple dozen other candidates who are more woke in some way or another.

    So in the context of the popular swing against wokeness, the beneficiary is Joe Biden, not us. It should be us, but we have Trump and he’s radioactive and Orange Man Bad. The upshot is, for the price of not being quite as nasty as Titania McGrath’s twitter feed, Joe gets to empower the same immigration policy, abortion license, kinetic foreign policy, and advocacy for banks and credit card issuers that he’s always had.

    This is stupid. Let’s simply stand up for ourselves and support Republicans instead.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  40. @HammerJack

    Voting Republican gets you immigration amnesty, lower taxes on the super-rich, and many new delightful wars for Israel.

    LOL. That’s why they’re called the Stupid Party.

  41. @War for Blair Mountain

    A 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA did not have to import even one Hindu MD

    Or one cotton-pickin’ African, either. But we did.

    Actually, America’s white population maxed out at 89%. However, the free states were 98% white in 1860. Sadly, the wrong ones seceded. We coulda been whiter than Canada!

    Well, the United States. Colonial white America did top 90%, but not since the late 17th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610–2010)

  42. @PiltdownMan

    Many man swallow, but few Manjoo.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  43. Anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Farhad Manjoo is a Muslim immigrant from South Africa, of Indian ethnicity. Manjoo used to be a technology columnist, but his best remembered column is this one:

    Men Should Wear Makeup. Looking Younger and Better Isn’t Just for Women

    I had forgotten this. But rereading it, I now see that it is a variation of Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism: Kind of a Law of Desexualized, Neutered Pet Male Journalism, where racial minorities not popular with white cheerleaders (East Asian, South Asian, Arabs) address that subject in some way. Here we see the motel-front-desk-employee-esque Manjoo trying to improve himself by airbrushing away blemishes with makeup. Manjoo, my man, it’s not your blemishes!

    But Manjoo did manage to marry a somewhat matronly looking white M.D. pathologist Yale alumni, but imagine what he could have scored had he been able to airbrush his face away!

    Since his wife works in Redwood City, I imagine that Manjoo lives in the Bay Area with her, so he is not writing about this stuff from New York.

    By the way, Manjoo was born in South Africa. I’d love to see his race/ethnicity box ticking on his Cornell application.

  44. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, the Highest Value of Farhad “There’s Nothing Wrong With Open Borders” Manjoo is that America should import more Manjoos from the Subcontinent …

    exactly, a Fake American

  45. @Boethiuss

    It’s why I talk about supporting Republicans so much. It’s the one thing we have that might be strong enough organizationally to rack up some real wins.

    Yeah, I’ve never gotten the whole voting libertarian thing (though I’ve done it in elections when the R didn’t have a chance), or the ‘I’m staying home,’ thing. Or people who voted for Perot. Right-side voters need to support the organization that supports our views, given it’s only mostly supportive, but it’s better than the alternative.

    I will say that I think O. being elected was a good thing because it apparently woke so many normal Americans up to what lefties were really about, and McCain or Romney would probably have been worse.

    With the clown show on the left right now, what’s needed is for some republican to use a Ouiga board to contact the ghost of Lee Atwater to run Trump’s 2020 campaign.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  46. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Metropolises are good for the psyche and soul’.

    *NO!*

    This is the exact opposite of the truth.

  47. “… [Urban areas] account for almost all national economic output.”

    It would be more correct to say “a major part of ….” He needs to get out of the city more often.

    “Urban areas are the most environmentally friendly way we know of housing lots of people.”

    Fewer people, as the Left often points out, is a better way of achieving their climate goals than warehousing “unnecessary” surplus people in warren-hutch conurbations. Aside from that, people living ecologically sound lives in the land would actually be more environmentally sound. Urban areas are a sinkhole of climate destruction.

    ”We can’t solve the climate crisis without vastly improving public transportation and increasing urban density.”

    Sure we can: We force-march all the surplus people out of conurbations to farms to manually produce food and hand-made goods for their overlords who remain in the urban areas. Those who refuse to go find their heads skewered on a stake pour encourager les auteres.

    ”More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.”

    Sure. Take a pill and lie down for a bit, and you might get over that delusion. If not, try a stroll through Detroit, Camden, or Compton at night.

    There is nothing so intractable to all of this guy’s worries that cannot be easily fixed by a Pol Pot-like regime. I’d gladly walk him out to his assigned farm duties.

  48. @sondjata

    And that’s why we won’t peacefully evolve into separate countries; they need us deplorables to keep them afloat.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  49. DC Nate says:

    Alex Tabarrok admits he’s been reading Sailer for years!

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2019/05/americas-cities-are-unlivable-blame-wealthy-liberals.html

    It’s also amusing that Steve Sailer has been making exactly the same point about hypocritical Malibu liberals for years, the only difference being that Manjoo wishes to shame liberals into giving up NIMBYism while Sailer wants to shame them into giving up national diversity. I call a pox on both their houses and support individual property rights at both the local and national levels.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  50. Thirdtwin says:

    “More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.”

    Why sure it does. As long as you can export the wreckers to Section 8 in suburbia. If they’d just leave the metropolis and stay gone, there would be none of this regrettable blue-on-blue confrontation. The Trumpers in the suburbs would be the villains. Why can’t the ghetto rats understand that?

  51. This wasn’t from The Onion?

  52. GSR says:

    What the hell is a “Farhad Manjoo”?

  53. @Lot

    Aren’t the Beverly Hills elites the ones calling for more diversity? Looks like there’s a lot of room in Beverly Hills for some homeless encampments.

  54. @Boethiuss

    If you could get over your TDS, this would be good advice. Trump was the first to stand up against the wokedammerung, which is why he’s so loved or at least accepted by all Rs except retards like yourself.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    , @bucky
  55. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Goodwhites seem totally unable to understand that, in our vibrant, multicultural future your skin is your uniform.

  56. @J.Ross

    This tweet was taken down. Why?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  57. I’m struck by an unsettling thought: What Republicans want to do with I.C.E. and border walls, wealthy progressive Democrats are doing with zoning and Nimbyism. Preserving “local character,” maintaining “local control,” keeping housing scarce and inaccessible — the goals of both sides are really the same: to keep people out.

    Well he’s right about this.

    He just doesn’t understand–want to understand–that “keeping people out” is a most noble activity. Keeping people in–like slavers, feudal lords, commies–is oppression. (You may have to do it to run a prison if you can’t execute or expel your criminals.) Keeping people out–resisting invasion–ergo creating a better place for your own people, is the height of patriotism.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Forbes
  58. @Tired of Not Winning

    So you advocate for a state of government that will actively police populations and send them whither thou wilt, in this case to fantasy farm country in the “mid-west”, where wholesome, real American families treasure the rich soil as much as their Anglo-Protestant war god, serving up heaping platters of country fried chicken, ‘taters n’ biscuits to the bused-in-from-the-coast labor battalions that your imaginary white bread “Republic” collects on a daily basis, providing you with all of the ample ocean view sunshine and space that you desire.

    It’s so much fun to scroll through these comments and clock the frustrated, nasty twits who have no life whatsoever hurling their tough guy invective into the nether sphere, the same way a chimp throws sh** at a wall. Interesting how “git ‘er done” warriors like you never have the guts to voice your opinions in an open environment; better to do so from the safety of the bedroom you’ve inhabited since you were a child.

  59. @AnotherDad

    At root the minoritarian demand–whether it’s whining about “borders”, “racism”, “white flight”, “restricted country clubs” or “Harvard quotas”–is the same: “you must let me in”.

    I wish a single conservative/nationalist politician would just point out the truth: the open borders, “you must let me in!” demand is the ideology of the rapist.

  60. @Anon

    Your obsession with the opinions of “white cheerleaders” concerning “looks” coupled with the creepy cyber-stalking translates as a weirdo who is either: A) A friendless high school outcast venting his adolescent frustrations via his cell-phone during 4th period, or B) “That dude” who never forgot that, 20 years ago, he was a friendless high school outcast who is still…well…you figure it out.

  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    Setting aside the question of how you can ask a “place” (as opposed to, say, an individual) anything, it’s highly doubtful that any of those who make a point of expressing their opinions via anonymity + keyboard have the cajones to publicly voice their righteous indignation on any matter, for fear of being called out on their b.s. This site is a holding pen for a league of internet warrior Walter Mitty’s.

    • Troll: Forbes
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  62. @ThreeCranes

    “Cities are the standard geographical unit of the global economy. Dense urban areas are quite literally the “real America” — the cities are where two-thirds of Americans live, and they account for almost all national economic output. Urban areas are the most environmentally friendly way we know of housing lots of people. We can’t solve the climate crisis without vastly improving public transportation and increasing urban density. More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.”

    Good Lord.

    In reality, cities are cesspools.

    Yeah, ThreeCranes that load of nonsense struck me too.

    In reality the productive/competitive industrial work in America–high end industrial goods (often aerospace) or tech–is often done in the suburban edge, both the engineering in office parks and the industrial facilities. Basically done by white guys with an increasing smattering of Asian guys. The other American strengths are our super-productive and competitive agriculture (our core strength), and our recent boom in oil-gas extraction. Both of which are out in the hinterlands.

    What our (feminized) cities specialize in is parasitism–government, finance, lawyers, bid ed, “artists”, “activists”, bums. All parasites on core productive America.

    ~~~

    And even beyond the reality that the cities are parasite central–have been in the extraction business since the neolithic–it’s clear that to the extent that cities provided a useful “meet up” service … that’s less and less necessary.

    The Internet–modern communications, plus modern transportation–is eliminating the need for cities. We simply no longer need most of the physical proximity services that cities provide. Just … not necessary!

    • Replies: @more manjoo
  63. Blue City politics are doomed to a never ending cycle of virtue signaling noises followed by NIMBY hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

    One reason is that the so-called “housing crisis” in wealthy Blue Cities is literally unsolvable. The “crisis” is simply the fact that in a free market valuable things sell for a high price. Because a house in, say, San Francisco is highly valuable it therefore sells for a high price (about $1.6 million median value currently).

    The only way to actually solve this “crisis” — i.e., make houses in SF affordable to working people — would be to somehow reduce property values by 50-80% or more. No lefty homeowner is ever going to back any policy that deliberately wipes out his home equity.

    So nothing meaningful will ever be done in these cities, and there will only be a never ending cognitive dissonance between reality and the espoused ideals of “diversity,” “inclusion,” and “equality.”

  64. Finspapa says:

    Jim Rockford had the right idea. Just plop your RV, Trans-Am and occasionally your father’s pickup on a slip right next to the beach. Easy access to the pier, a diner, and the PCH.

    NIMBY (because I don’t have a BY)!

  65. @AnotherDad

    the productive/competitive industrial work in America–high end industrial goods (often aerospace) or tech–is often done in the suburban edge

    Preach it, brother. And not just industrial work, recall that Silicon Valley started in suburbia and even now is still mostly a suburban thing.

    Apple, Google, Facebook; they’re not in SF or even San Jose, they’re in Cupertino, Mountain View, and Menlo Park. Netflix HQ is in little Los Gatos.

    Uber is in the city, but for many years SF proper was not a part of the tech world. A technology columnist oughta know this stuff.

  66. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    If you could get over your TDS, this would be good advice. Trump was the first to stand up against the wokedammerung, which is why he’s so loved or at least accepted by all Rs except retards like yourself.

    Yeah, this is stupid. Trump might “stand up” against the wokedammerung but so what, he doesn’t do anything meaningful against it.

    If there’s anything at all we know about the Trump Administration it’s that Trump does intimidate anybody. Some of Trump true believers think he does but he doesn’t. Trump doesn’t frighten his adversaries, he angers them, mobilizes them, organizes them. And in a bankshot way this ends up helping Trump. He can point and say, “Look at those crazy people over there, they’re doing that because they hate me,” when antifa types throw a pie at Charles Murray when he’s speaking on campus or some other woke bullshit. In acting that way he keeps people onside like yourself who ought to know better.

    And a big part of the problem is that Trump supporters such as yourself always want to imagine Trump as part of a frame of reference that doesn’t exist any more. It’s always January 2016, Trump is always running agains 16 GOP Establishment types, and he’s always up against Hillary Clinton if he makes it through the primaries. And maybe most important, the people lining up against Trump are either Left woke performance artists like AOC, Rachel Maddow or Kamala Harris. Or obnoxious Never Trump quasi-conservatives like Max Boot or William Kristol.

    And if that really is the situation on the ground, it’s far more defensible to support Trump. But it’s not. In the world of 2019 and the 2018 midterms Hillary, Jeb, John Kasich, Carly Fiorina, etc are nowhere in sight. And in demographic terms, the opposition to Trump doesn’t have much to do with Max Boot and William Kristol, but is instead represented by Core White Americans in Atlanta suburbs, OKC, Des Moines, Houston and Phoenix.

    The best thing that we can do right now for Core White Americans right now is get rid of Trump. And it’s people like you who are preventing that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  67. Forbes says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    he acts like he’s the first one to notice

    Isn’t that the essence of the NYT and its editorial page…

  68. Forbes says:
    @J.Ross

    Presumably a group of black teens as they omitted the racial description.

  69. Boethiuss says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Yeah, I’ve never gotten the whole voting libertarian thing (though I’ve done it in elections when the R didn’t have a chance), or the ‘I’m staying home,’ thing. Or people who voted for Perot. Right-side voters need to support the organization that supports our views, given it’s only mostly supportive, but it’s better than the alternative.

    Yeah this. And beyond that even we should be voting Republican to support Republican voters as much as the Republican organization.

    For most or all of us here, when we get up on Wednesday morning after Election Day and read the newspaper or get on the Internet, we interpret the results in terms of what’s implied about the pecking order of the demographic groups I’m a member of. Or in more specific terms, let’s say Smith is running against Jones for Congress or governor or what have you, Smith is a regular white guy, Jones is a disabled black Peurto Rican lesbian. When I look at the returns and let’s say Smith gets 65% and Jones gets 35%, I think the people here are ok with white guys and in particular they’re ok with white guys being in charge and making decisions. Or, white guys are barely tolerable. Or people here are actively hostile against white guys, as the case may be.

    The point being is, at that time we don’t care as much about what committee Smith gets assigned to, what bills he introduces or what nominations he votes for.

    So when we vote ourselves, it’s more important to support ourselves, as voters and citizens, than it is to kick John McCain in the nads, or Jeb, or Mitch McConnell or whoever is on the shit list today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. @parlaphonerevolver1980

    Who knows? I’ve voiced my opinion, as I just don’t care that much to fit into the “community” or whether I am “unpersoned”. My good friends have pretty much the same opinions. It really helps others, though, at least the ones that aren’t total snowflakes and/or pussies, to relax and express their real opinions more, if I do. Yes, I’ve been told to “pick my battles” before, as you just can’t go raising hell about every little thing, or you are seen as positively neurotic.

  71. Forbes says:
    @AnotherDad

    Closing the open borders and an immigration moratorium would address all of Majoo’s problems faster than any of his proposals–with almost no effort required.

    Alternatively, Manjoo’s suggestions require massive (and never-ending) construction, destruction, disruption, and endless activity merely to keep up with the status quo. And all to fleece the consumer and taxpayers’ pocket for the benefit of real estate owners, developers, speculators and construction interests.

  72. @ThreeCranes

    Thomas Jefferson; “”I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get plied upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.”

    Instead of TJ we get yet another immigrant lecturing us about how we should be more like the dump he fled.

  73. The best thing that we can do right now for Core White Americans right now is get rid of Trump. And it’s people like you who are preventing that.

    Boethius, i’m not getting your logic here–specifically the series of political developments from this that you hope will save our republic.

    Obviously Trump has been a huge disappointment. We all knew he was a crap shoot. Were we going to get the angry these-bastards-have-trashed-my-nation but reasonably competent nationalist Trump? Or the it’s-all-about-amazing-wonderful-me and rashly ineffective Trump? This is–I assume–why Steve seemed to have his doubts. Turns out it was mostly the later. (I didn’t even contemplate that he might turn over national policy to the mediocre scion of the criminal Jewish family his daughter married into.)

    That said, i’ll hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    My take is defeat by the loons would be a huge setback for nationalism. The lesson young Republican pols would take from Trump’s defeat would be “don’t go near nationalism”.

    What I hope–best case course I could see for the USA from here–is that Trump wins in 2024. We get more “Trumpist style” Republicans in local, state and national office. In 2024 we have real–committed and competent–nationalists in the mix, pushing actually more aggressively and competently on nationalist issue, than the narcissist Trump.

    Maybe the nationalists lose the nomination, likely they lose the election–US Presidential elections tend to toss after 8 years. But they are a serious movement and they are back in mid-terms, 2028, and beyond. The Republicans return to being the nationalist party they once were. And eventually … we win. As nationalist policies are just a heck of a lot better for pretty much everyone, once we win and can implement our policies, it will be much harder for the “left” to bring back their genocidal minoritarianism.

    Maybe, i’m missing something, but I do not see how Trump losing helps save America or the West. I can see some scenario–Biden wins and stinks up the joint and then a nationalist can win in 2024–but they seem more far fetched, then the “lesson” of Trump getting re-elected in the face of establishment TDS.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  74. bucky says:
    @Desiderius

    Trannies are freaks. Rap is crap. Etc etc.

    These culture war issues matter. Do you know what matters more? Not having John Bolton crafting foreign policy. Actually addressing climate change matters as well.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  75. Mr. Blank says:

    …Anthony Portantino, a Democratic state senator whose district includes the posh city of La Cañada Flintridge…

    I used to live in La Cañada Flintridge. It tells you something about California that it can be described as “posh.” Unless it has changed drastically in the past decade or so, it would be considered a fairly normal suburb in every other part of America where I’ve lived.

    Then again, I wasn’t that impressed with the homes of Beverly Hills, either — at least the ones visible from the street and not surrounded by mini-fortresses. Wealthy doctors and lawyers in Indiana or Michigan probably live in greater opulence than the average resident of Beverly Hills.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  76. Uncle Dan says:

    “There was living space for 13 families in this one house” —- Comrade Kaprugina to Dr Zhivago

  77. Boethiuss says:
    @AnotherDad

    Maybe, i’m missing something, but I do not see how Trump losing helps save America or the West. I can see some scenario–Biden wins and stinks up the joint and then a nationalist can win in 2024–but they seem more far fetched, then the “lesson” of Trump getting re-elected in the face of establishment TDS.

    I am talking about Trump beaten for renomination in the Republican Party. The possibility of that looks exceedingly slim at the moment, but it is by far our best outcome at the moment. That’s why I’m writing. Assuming things continue in the direction that they’re heading, I’ll probably be opposing Trump as the Republican nominee until September or October 2020, but now is the time we can actually make that change at the cheapest cost (Actually it would have been a little cheaper around Nov 10 2018 but you get my point).

    As far as the rest of your comment goes, I’m basically on the same page. The main difference is, I probably care more about the tides of American public opinion more than most of the commentariat here, maybe even you, tbh I don’t really know. It’s the public opinion that creates the water that the political actors have to swim in, especially now. Truth be told Trump is a pretty poor politician, but what’s really killing us is the tidal wave of Orange Man Bad at the grassroots level. That’s what has to be addressed over everything else.

    One last thing: the “establishment TDS” thing is another example of what I was trying to get at in that prior comment. It’s always January 2016, we’re always at war with Eastasia, the other side is always Max Boot, John McCain, and Hillary trying to sell us more neocon eternal war for Israel.

    That’s simply not the world as it stands right now. TDS, as it were, is not an establishment thing. It has strong roots across the country, including or especially including more or less apolitical Americans. Especially Core white Americans. My guess is, if you take an honest look around your own circle of friends and family, that’s what you’ll see. It certainly is the case for me.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr. Rational
  78. @Mr. Blank

    Right, most lot sizes in nice neighborhoods in Southern California are compact compared to other parts of the country.

  79. @Moses

    The Arlington County Board last Saturday approved 5-0 changes to single family zoning to allow ADUs (Affordable/Accessory Dwelling Units) to be built. ADUS can be up to 650 square feet and can house no more than 3 people (or 10 illegals).

    This was done under the guise of letting Granny age in place, affordable housing, etc., but the reality is that the lefty urban planners HATE HATE HATE sf housing. Developers are licking their chops, and some people see Air BnB dollars. Most people are pissed, but then the Board has been sold D for thirty years so of course they do whatever they want.

  80. Uncle Dan says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Farm work is hard work, work illegals are willing and able to do, not work for urban bums.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. The crooked politicians often demagogue against re-zoning, i.e. to allow for greater population densities, on the basis that the increased number of residents will ultimately worsen skool “overcrowding” in that district.

    The skoolz are not just for ruining kids.

  82. @DC Nate

    Why would national level property rights be a pox on Sailer? Virtue-signaling by people who haven’t the faintest clue about true virtue is an utter train wreck.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  83. @Boethiuss

    The number of people who want to veto Clownworld is several orders of magnitude larger than those clamoring for president Foam Party.

    You’re in touch with a very small slice of the beltway, not the wider public.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    , @Boethiuss
  84. @bucky

    Who gives a shit about the culture war? That was lost long ago. What matters is the utter incompetence and corruption of our leading institutions in media, government, academia, Silicon Valley, you name it.

    Y’all want to bury your heads in the sand and pretend everything’s fine. It isn’t. Not close.

  85. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    The number of people who want to veto Clownworld is several orders of magnitude larger than those clamoring for president Foam Party.

    You’re in touch with a very small slice of the beltway, not the wider public.

    I don’t know who Clownworld or the Foam Party is supposed to be but I’m in touch with nobody in the beltway (which is a big problem for my theory). Right now, basically 85-90% of the GOP establishment is lock step behind whatever Trump is doing today. The other 10-15% is Never Trump. And I’m neither.

    If it were up to me, what I want is that 100% of the GOP is between them: we’re not trying to repudiate Trump, we want to transcend him. Trump was a serious answer to the problems of his time, but now is not his time. As it is, the GOP isn’t leaving itself any room to maneuver around the Orange Man Bad tidal wave.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    AFAIK Trump is the only President in the history of polling never to have favorable job approval.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  86. @Boethiuss

    Glad to see you approaching some sort of coherent argument. Clownworld is internet slang for our ridiculously incompetent institutions. Photos of a young Rubio participating in a foam party surfaced early in the R primaries.

    If Rubio wants to be President let him demonstrate his leadership and coalition-building skills in the Senate first. I think bearded Ted is all around a better bet for what you’re looking for.

    The bottom line though is that the snobbery (equal parts vanity and prejudice) of your Trump-hating neighbors are the root of the country’s problems. The Beckys especially. Until they enjoy a good whupping nothing will really change.

  87. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    I was a libty for two decades, then I grew up, and became pro-white.

    I was registered as a libty for those 20 years but I re-registered as GOP later, so I could vote in the primary, which is where your vote has the most punch anyway. Then I vote however I want in the general.

    If the race isn’t in play, I vote third party, libty or otherwise.

    If the race is up for grabs I vote pragmatically, but I don’t give my vote away. (That’s for negroes and Kansans.) For instance I voted for Kobach but for the libty instead of that twat Kevin Yoder. He lost by a whole lot more margin than all third party votes.

    Donald Trump was the first major party candidate for President I ever voted for. Since no Dem can win that race in Kansas I always voted third party-typically libty , but for Nader once and Chuck Baldwin another time. But with Trump, I actually sort of liked the guy, plus which with this race all bets were off, plus I hate Hillary really bad. So I voted major party in this race for the first time in my life.

    If the presidency goes to popular vote of course I would usually vote GOP, but if it was a total cunt like Jeb, I’d vote libty, or other third party, or write in some really obnoxious Jew or nonwhite for the hell of it.

  88. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uncle Dan

    Either they work or eat confinement loaf and bottled water that smells like Amy Schumer’s lady bits. They’ll start working, those shiftless bums.

    Let the illegals work hard-in their own country.

  89. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    The number of people who want to veto Clownworld is several orders of magnitude larger than those clamoring for president Foam Party.

    Ok got it. Fine, stipulated.

    Now what do you suppose those several orders of magnitude are going to accomplish in a world of Orange Man Bad? From everything I can see the obstacles associated with Orange Man Bad are completely impregnable for us in terms of accomplishing anything useful. Therefore, to make any progress at all we have to address Orange Man Bad ahead of anything else.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  90. Hibernian says:
    @J.Ross

    A location very near a classic sharp racial/economic border in a large, old, cty. (See also Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston.)

  91. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Half Canadian

    Because the Hive still doesn’t know what screenshots are.

  92. @Boethiuss

    Orange Man Bad is a manifestation of ruling class snobbery (equal parts vanity and prejudice). Vanity is deflated by unmistakable defeat and repudiation. Prejudice by unabashed Chrsitian witness (whose heart is the utter antithesis of prejudice) and familiarity with the superior quality of those one is inclined to be prejudiced against.

    Here’s a good candidate:

    That last one speaks directly to my point.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  93. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    Orange Man Bad is a manifestation of ruling class snobbery (equal parts vanity and prejudice). Vanity is deflated by unmistakable defeat and repudiation.

    No, no, no, that’s true but only a part of it, and not the important part at that. You shouldn’t imagine Orange Man Bad as something that only affects a narrow slice of our adversaries.

    It also affects lots of more or less apolitical Americans, overwhelmingly white, who would naturally be Sailer Strategizing themselves into voting Republican but have since done a straight 180 now that Trump is President.

    There is also the reality of Orange Man Bad for us, people who voted for Trump with greater or lesser enthusiasm which I think you’re missing completely. There’s so many of us who want to keep their head in a place of wish fulfillment and an obsolete frame of reference. “Well, obviously Max Boot, Peter Strzok and Nancy Pelosi don’t agree, but I think Trump has actually protected our national interest better than any President in 20 years. Etc, etc.” Ie, they (eg, you) try to steal a base by pretending that the problem is localized to Max Boot, Peter Strzok and Nancy Pelosi. And then, somehow, if we can figure out a way to outmaneuver them, we can actually start to move the ball forward.

    No, no, no. The world doesn’t work that way. And more obviously, the world isn’t working that way, for anyone who can open their eyes and look at what’s going on. Orange Man Bad isn’t just about them, it’s about us too. We don’t like Trump, we don’t trust him, we don’t believe him. We meaning Trump supporters, eg, most of us here. And because of those things, we can’t defend him. We can still support him (and most of us here do) but we can’t defend him.

    When push comes to shove, Orange Man Bad is not about the vanity or prejudice of our adversaries. If it were, it would be much easier to maneuver around. No, the bigger problem is that the Orange Man really is Bad, and there’s no good way to push back against that.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  94. @Boethiuss

    we can’t defend him

    We can’t defend him because defense is entirely useless against bad faith. The only way out is through.

  95. @Desiderius

    https://theweek.com/articles/764881/radicalization-democratic-party-astoundingly-popular

    This is the central fact of our time, and if you’re not addressing it you won’t be taken seriously and shouldn’t. I’m sorry you’re so naïve as to believe the jihad against anything conservative, Republcian, or Christian (fundamentalist even, as if that hasn’t been going on for a century) started with Trump, but I was at Princeton in 2001 and it was already virulent.

  96. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    We can’t defend him because defense is entirely useless against bad faith.

    Bullshit. That’s not remotely the problem, defense against bad faith is easy. “Your accusations against Trump are simply bad faith. The reality is Trump is a judicious, industrious, intelligent, well-meaning, competent President (and then go on to cite chapter and verse of the supporting evidence).”

    We can’t and don’t try to protect the President in this way because the underlying assertions aren’t true, and the accusations against him are much stronger than simple bad faith. If we did try to argue that case we would simply be exposing ourselves to being fools or liars.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  97. @Boethiuss

    That worked so great for Bush, McCain, and Romney.

    Dude, you’re pathetic. Go suck up to your neighbors and disgust them into voting D again. Whatever. I’m out.

  98. Boethiuss says:

    That worked so great for Bush, McCain, and Romney.

    Why don’t you go back and look at the approval ratings for Bush, McCain and Romney then? They were good at least some of the time.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  99. @sondjata

    Let the “fake Americans” stop delivering food to these urban centers.

    You mean Americans like Archer Daniels Midland?

    These days most American food is grown by massive agricultural concerns or imported. 4% of American farms account for something like 70% of sales, and even small family farms are dependent for fertilizer and seed on a few giant corporations. This is another way America resembles the later stages of the Roman Empire – there too yeoman farmers, formerly the backbone of the society, were destroyed and land swallowed up by latifundia, large consolidated land holdings mostly worked by imported slave labor. Rural America for the most part is not much more “real” than urban America these days – it consists mostly of opiate and/or internet addicted wage slaves. You can take some consolation in the fact that Rural Americans still have the freedom to hunt and fish, maybe raise some chickens and grow some of their own food but we are a long way away from Jefferson’s vision.

  100. @Altai

    Name me a time and place where a society (Even current year America) ever avowed this statement.

    There are plenty of American examples of cities being good for the psyche and the soul. In Manhattan – Greenwich Village, the upper West Side or the Upper East Side in the 1950s & 60s. Even into the 1970s. Those were real communities, people knew their neighbors, the shops, delis and restaurants were locally owned, and it was a mix of creative types, older residents and families. The scale of the buildings is human, lots of trees, nearby parks. Parts of Brooklyn – the Italian neighborhoods around Carrol Gardens and Cobble Hill – are even still nice today.

    Beacon Hill in Boston in that era was probably even better (less crime), and was still livable for middle income whites right up into the 1990s.

    Of course, Paris was a fantastic place to live until the neoliberals/socialists wrecked it with immigration, horrendous modern architecture and degraded social services.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  101. It is also hilarious/pathetic to see liberals I know come back from very white ethnically homogeneous cities like Copenhagen raving about how “livable” it is. Hmm, what could it be about Copenhagen (or Portland,Oregon or Prague) that makes it nicer than Baltimore, Marseille or Lagos?

  102. @Desiderius

    defense is entirely useless against bad faith.

    Trump defenders seem to have no memory of the world before 2015. It is not as if Trump were an unknown quantity. Back in the 1990s he had a well deserved reputation as a failure and a con-man with unsavory mob ties (not to mention being a pro-abortion, pro gun control, suspiciously fastidious sybarite). I disliked Trump the man intensely back then, and I find it hard to believe a 70 year old man has suddenly seen the light. He’s a fraud who found an audience desperate for leadership. I don’t see him building a sustainable long-term movement – the only ideology the current GOP seems to subscribe to is “defend Trump at all costs”, and a lot of Trump’s administration seem to be grifters mostly concerned with enriching themselves at the public trough (certainly true of Mnuchin and Carson).

  103. @Peter Akuleyev

    I disliked him intensely around the same time I was supporting the Iraq War. I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong.

    This is the only global issue that matters right now:

    Trump was the first to get on the right side of it and is slowly dragging the rest of the GOP there. That is all that matters. Finis.

  104. Boethiuss says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I don’t see him building a sustainable long-term movement – the only ideology the current GOP seems to subscribe to is “defend Trump at all costs”, and a lot of Trump’s administration seem to be grifters mostly concerned with enriching themselves at the public trough (certainly true of Mnuchin and Carson).

    Yeah this. What D is arguing in these last couple of threads is a different version of the Steve/Audacious Epigone brainstorm last year about “Quaffleball”. Everything other than my pet issue (in their case, immigration) is irrelevant, ie Quaffleball from the Harry Potter books.

    D’s argument here is just second verse, same as the first. Instead of immigration, his pet issue is malevolent identity politics and political correctness. D is right that those things are bad but that doesn’t change the basic republican (lower-case) structure of our society and our politics. The upshot is really simple: if we want our government and our society to move to our position on our pet issue, it is our obligation to motivate the American people on it.

    The American people have their own ideas of what’s important and what’s not. And especially over say, the last ten years or so, they simply do not accept any Quaffleball-style arguments that subvert their right to make an independent judgment on that score. They don’t accept that stuff from the other side regarding global warming or universal health care. They don’t accept it from us about immigration. They don’t accept it from D about political correctness.

    If we can’t win our pet issue on legitimate terms through engagement with the American people, we’re not going to win it any other way there won’t be anybody to blame but ourselves.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  105. @Boethiuss

    The best thing that we can do right now for Core White Americans right now is get rid of Trump.

    And replace him with whom, exactly?

    Trump is not what we really need, true.  But he’s what we can get right now.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  106. @Boethiuss

    what’s really killing us is the tidal wave of Orange Man Bad at the grassroots level.

    Were you born last night or something?

    They called milquetoast open-borders GWB “Chimpy McHitler”.  There is NO candidate we could run who would not be immediately deemed the reincarnation of ol’ AH here to usher in the Fourth Reich.  Our candidates will never be acceptable to the left; not even our EXISTENCE is acceptable to the left!  The only thing we can do with the left’s grassroots hysteria is mock it or ignore it.  Anything else is suicide.

    BTW, my comments are still not displaying for editing here during the 5-minute window.  They do on AE’s blog.

  107. @Boethiuss

    Shrub, McPain and Captain Underpants were all deep-state cucks and did not have the press united against them.  You need to look at the alternative media.  LOTS of people support Trump, the only things they are opposing are e.g. Trump’s cucking on immigration due to Javanka.

  108. @Peter Akuleyev

    I find it hard to believe a 70 year old man has suddenly seen the light.

    As another enigmatically exceptional figure once said, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    My guess is Melania picked him up off the trash heap fifteen years ago and whipped him into whatever shape he’s in now. The gravity of the office does change people as well, especially actual patriots like Trump.

    Trump’s the Nicholson character in As Good as it Gets, with Melania as his Helen Hunt.

  109. Boethiuss says:
    @Mr. Rational

    And replace him with whom, exactly?

    Anybody. Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Tucker Carlson, Tom Cotton, Martha McSally, John Kasich, !Jeb! etc. Pick one. Anybody.

    Trump is not what we really need, true. But he’s what we can get right now.

    Well yeah, I want to sympathize with that but I can’t. What good is having Trump around doing for us? I don’t see anything that he’s offering over any other Republican and a lot that he’s taking away. Even where he wants to deliver for the base (and I for one believe that happens a lot), a President with permanent sub-45% approval rating and no political skill can’t really do much for us.

    Shrub, McPain and Captain Underpants were all deep-state cucks and did not have the press united against them. You need to look at the alternative media. LOTS of people support Trump, the only things they are opposing are e.g. Trump’s cucking on immigration due to Javanka.

    Well, those others had good approval at various points of their campaigns/time in office. There are lots of people who support Trump, the problem is that they are outnumbered by those who oppose him. Trump has had a permanent sub-45% approval rating for his entire term of office, except for like one day when he crawled to massive 45.2% or something.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

  110. @Boethiuss

    his pet issue is malevolent identity politics and political correctness

    My God, you really are as dense as a black hole full of Nadlers. Tell you what, why don’t you post your take here on Clair’s twitter. I’m sure she’ll be overwhelmed by your perspicacity. Maybe you’ll learn something for once on your life while you’re there.

    The issue isn’t identity politics or PC or anything so petty or simple-minded, and it’s not my pet, it’s the most pressing issue for anyone with two brain cells to rub together who’s been paying the least bit of attention.

    It is our erstwhile ruling class going out of their ever-loving minds with open hatred and contempt for the very people they’re supposed to be governing and everything we hold dear.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  111. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    The issue isn’t identity politics or PC or anything so petty or simple-minded,

    Ok, what is it then? Because from here, it looks like that’s exactly what it is.

    and it’s not my pet, it’s the most pressing issue for anyone with two brain cells to rub together who’s been paying the least bit of attention.

    Whatever, in that case it is still your job (or our job to the extent you are persuasive to me and other readers here) to engage the American people turn them around to your way of thinking. The American are in principle persuadeable to any number of things but they’re not intimidated by anything. And certainly not by us.

  112. @Olorin

    Good point. Whites are not the most progressive in the Democratic Party, Asians are. National Review has lied about this. Several districts in California were flipped due to the growing asian population in OC not liberal whites. The Bay Area has shifted a lot more Democratic since H1b’s came in. The same does to Seattle, too many things we blame rich white liberals. In fact Portland is a city of middle class whites not so many rich and is the stereotype of the left wing white. In reality, Muslims, Puretro Rician AOC, and Asians are leading the charge for the Democratic Party shift left.

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