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Penn law professor Amy Wax is a realist crimethinker who has increasingly come under fire for her honesty. Here are a couple of old iSteve pieces about her:

Amy Wax: “The Iron Law of Personnel Selection”

Penn Law School Profs Point ‘n’ Sputter at Amy Wax

Now she’s gotten in trouble for a video discussion with Glenn Loury. From the Washington Post:

Penn Law professor who said black students are ‘rarely’ in top half of class loses teaching duties

By Derek Hawkins March 15 at 8:49 AM Email the author

A University of Pennsylvania law school professor will no longer teach required courses following outcry over a video in which she suggested — falsely, according to the school — that black students seldom graduated high in their class.

Amy Wax, a tenured professor, will continue to teach electives in her areas of expertise but will be removed from teaching first-year curriculum courses, Penn Law Dean Theodore Ruger said in a statement Wednesday.

Ruger said Wax spoke “disparagingly and inaccurately” when she claimed last year that she had “rarely, rarely” seen a black student finish in the top half of their class.

“It is imperative for me as dean to state that these claims are false,” he said, according to the Daily Pennsylvanian, the student newspaper.

“Black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law,” Ruger said.

Hoo, boy, that’s some high level intellectual debate going on here! The Dean counters the claim that black students at Penn “rarely” graduate in the top half of the class by saying black students “have” graduated in the top of the class.

Case dismissed!

So far, Professor Wax’s critics haven’t put forward any actual numbers.

Why not? Because they are a secret.

Here’s a ton of data about the student body at the Penn Law School, but very little about how black students do.

A few numbers are available about law schools in general. From the New York Times in 2005:

For Blacks in Law School, Can Less Be More?
By ADAM LIPTAK FEB. 13, 2005

ONE would have thought, given the decades of ardent debate over affirmative action in higher education, that the main axes of the dispute had been established. Defenders of racial preferences say that they compensate for historical wrongs, ensure vibrant and varied campus discourse and help create minority role models and leaders. Opponents say preferences are nothing but a reverse form of discrimination that stereotypes and stigmatizes minority students.

But a recent study published in The Stanford Law Review by Richard H. Sander, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, has found a new way to inflame the debate. In fact, the study has ignited what may be the fiercest dispute over affirmative action since 2003, when the Supreme Court found some forms of it to be constitutional.

Professor Sander’s study tests a simple, but startling, thesis: Affirmative action actually depresses the number of black lawyers, because many black students end up attending law schools that are too difficult for them, and perform badly. …

The basic numbers are not in serious dispute.

Using a standard 1,000-point scale to reflect both L.S.A.T. scores and undergraduate grade-point averages, Professor Sander writes, the average black student’s score was 130 to 170 points below that of the average white student.

Once at law school, the average black student gets lower grades than white students: 52 percent of black students are in the bottom 10th of their first-year law school classes, while only 8 percent are in the top half. And the grades of black students drop slightly in relative terms from the first year of law school to the third.

Black students are twice as likely as whites to fail to finish law school. Nineteen percent of the black students who started law school in 1991 had failed to graduate five years later; the corresponding figure for whites was 8 percent.

About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.

It’s pretty detrimental to one’s life to go to law school but never be able to pass the bar exam.

On the other hand, most affirmative action admittees to Ivy League law schools like Penn most likely eventually pass the bar. For example, Michelle Obama managed to pass the relatively easy Illinois bar exam on her second opportunity (her superstar husband passed on his first try).

Still, after a couple of years on the job after her affirmative action hire into Big Law, it was clear to all concerned that she would never make partner, so she gave up her law license and went to work for the less IQ-demanding Richie Daley Administration.

(The real parasites are low level law schools who prey on black students’ often inflated self-regard by getting them to pay several years of tuition without much hope they’ll ever get a paying job in the field).

But, Penn is down a notch from Harvard (Penn is ranked #7 in the brand new USNWR report while Harvard is #3), so perhaps its black students are even less apt than Michelle (much less Barack, who became an instant celebrity at Harvard Law School for being a black student who could compete intellectually in class discussions with the white and Asian students)?

It would seem likely that Penn has all the data somewhere, but you can’t see it because it’s a Secret.

Update: Here’s a discussion of the best law schools for black students who want, perfectly reasonably, to get high paying BigLaw jobs. Surprise revelation: Harvard comes in number one on a combination of high paying jobs and having a fair number of other blacks in its big classes.

Here’s a write-up on a discussion board of black LSAT scores.

Here’s the PDF of the amicus curiae brief submitted to the Supreme Court in Fisher v. Texas by the Law School Admission Council:

III. LAW SCHOOLS CANNOT ACHIEVE MEANINGFUL RACIAL DIVERSITY WITHOUT TAKING RACE INTO CONSIDERATION AS ONE OF MANY ADMISSIONS FACTORS

A. Minority Law School Applicants Are Significantly Underrepresented In The Highest Ranges Of Numeric Admissions Criteria

… The raw numbers are startling. For the fall 2010 entering class, there were a total of 7,789 law school applicants who had both LSAT scores of 165 or above and UGPA of 3.5 or above. Of that number, just 63 were black. LSAC, National Decision Profiles, 2006- 2010 (2012), http://www.lsac.org/private/selectnatdec isionprofiles.pdf. Only 236 were Hispanic or Puerto Rican. As shown in the below table, the numbers are consistent for preceding years, with the share of African-American applicants in this upper range lingering just under 1%, and the percentage of Hispanic applicants remaining about 2.5%:

Screenshot 2018-03-15 20.02.36

At Penn, the median LSAT is 169 and the median GPA is 3.9. So, once again, in the year 2010 in the whole country there were only 63 black applicants who were at least moderately below average (but not hopeless): call them The Competent.

And Harvard, Yale, and Stanford are going to get a lot of those 63 competent black applicants. If you got accepted to Penn (in downtown Philly) and to Stanford (on 12 square miles in Silicon Valley), which one would you choose?

Here are Penn’s self-reported numbers:

Screenshot 2018-03-15 20.14.14

So, a 165 on the LSAT might be around, roughly, the 33rd percentile at Penn and a 3.5 GPA at about the 23rd percentile. Students at that level would likely fit in but not stand out.

And there were only 63 of them at that level or above in the entire country in 2010 who were black and applying to law school.

People who scored below 165/3.5 are probably quite unlikely to make the top half of the class at Penn.

So, how many did Penn snag out of those 63 black applicants in the USA with a decent chance at making the top half of Penn’s class?

It probably depends upon how many full ride scholarships Penn offers to blacks. For example, Northwestern Law School offered a full tuition scholarship to Barack Obama, but he turned it down for Harvard even though he was stuck paying off student loans for years. (But Harvard turned out to work out okay for Obama in terms of career ambitions.)

There are so few black students at the top of the top law schools that Barack Obama was almost immediately being talked up as America’s First Black President when he showed up at HLS and demonstrated that he could hang intellectually with the better students.

This 63 number could be boosted to, say, 75 or 100 by more full ride scholarships to law school for smart blacks. But, it would mostly be diminishing the number of blacks going to medical or law school or pursuing legit Ph.D.’s.

Commenter Jack D does the arithmetic:

Nineteen percent of the black students who started law school in 1991 had failed to graduate five years later; the corresponding figure for whites was 8 percent.

About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.

So 100 black students start law school. 81 graduate eventually . 50 pass the bar on their first try and eventually another 13 pass. Over 1/3 of those who start NEVER become lawyers and all of the money spent on sending them to law school for 1 to 5 years (I’m guessing mostly scholarship money) is a total waste.

Notice the sleight of hand above – the black vs. WHITE graduation rate is given but for bar exam passage it is black vs. ALL. What is the WHITE bar passage rate – they don’t tell us.

So about 91% of white students who start law school eventually pass the bar exam vs. about 63% of black students.

 
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  1. Toward the end of Kurt Vonnegut’s mid-eighties novel Hocus Pocus, the protagonist-narrator discovers that the ditzy coed, who had been randomly following him around the university campus where he worked (as an organist [carillionneur] and teacher that there is such a thing as futility), has actually been recording his politically incorrect musings. A few years ago an anti-Israel professor at CUNY got in trouble with Zionist students who misspelled and misunderstood basic concepts; he was defended by the rest of his students. And then you have people like Jordan Petersen and Norman Finkelstein. It is so sad that this is even possible, but it does bring us closer to the day when we can pop the college bubble.

    • Replies: @eD
    OT, but Hocus Pocus is an underrated book, and in addition to being sort of a prequel to Player Piano, is very topical three decades later. Its also the most i-Steve congruent of Vonnegut's books.
  2. Hoo, boy, that’s some high level intellectual debate going on here! The Dean counters the claim that black students at Penn “rarely” graduate in the top half of the class by saying black students “have” graduated in the top of the class.

    Case dismissed!

    It’s like a Snopes fact check when countering Trump.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s like a Snopes fact check when countering Trump.

     

    So what is Steve's role in the Snopes trial? Darrow? Mencken?
  3. “while only 8 percent are in the top half.”

    So Wax’s statement was accurate, as the expected number with race-blind admissions would be 50%.

    Likely the situation is worse at Penn. The bottom third of law schools have de facto open admissions, meaning minimal affirmative action. For the very bottom, classes are often more than half black/hispanic. Thus, a lot more blacks at such schools end up in the top half.

    If it is about 30-40% of blacks in the top half of their class in the bottom schools, and 8% overall, it is almost certain that the top tier schools like Penn the number is well below 8%.

    If we assume Wax’s first year courses have 50 students and 5 of them are black, even based on the national percentage, most years not a single black will be in the top half of the class.

    It the number at Penn is the more likely 4% estimate, that means there is a black student in the top half of a first year class about one in five semesters. In other words, “rarely” like she said.

    Thus a tenured professor is being disciplined for making an accurate statement supporting an issue of public and university controversy.

    Trump could do so much good for the USA by aggressively using the authority Congress has already granted him to cut off the student loan funding of these dens of anti-white Maoism. The problem is Big Ed has its hooks into much of the GOP, including the Heritage foundation which shills for-profit “private” schools that get 99% of funding from taxpayers.

    Obama’s DOE proposed some modest reforms in this direction, but they always get dragged out for 5-10 years by BigEd, which has a revolving door relationship with DOE.

  4. Professor Sander’s study tests a simple, but startling, thesis: Affirmative action actually depresses the number of black lawyers, because many black students end up attending law schools that are too difficult for them, and perform badly. …

    Those of us who bothered to read Thomas Sowell forty years ago are only “startled” by how long it took someone to say this out loud.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Yeah, I think Sowell said about a decade ago he first mentioned academic mismatch back in 1972, in a New York Times op-ed.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Of course you already know this, Reg, but it is ironic that Sowell spent the last four decades at the Hoover Institution on Stanford's campus, where, I am sure, he saw daily the "mismatch" problem writ large, and I am sure he knew lots of law school professors who talked of such things.
  5. OT Riz Ahmed (who is apparently a guy in one of the Abrams Star Wars movies) says lack of Muslims in movies drives kids to join ISIS

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/mar/02/riz-ahmed-warns-lack-of-diversity-on-tv-will-drive-young-to-isis

    ["]I’m not saying you have to make me the new James Bond. I’m just saying, it’s all connected, so think about it.["]
    (Not an actual quote. There should be distinct punctuation for joke quotes and paraphrasing.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If you don't reward us better for being violent and invading your countries, we're going to be violent and invade your countries.

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/571/dailystruggg.jpg

    , @the one they call Desanex

    “... distinct punctuation for joke quotes ...”
     
    Try “be like”, a handy formulation borrowed from Ebonics.

    E. g., Riz Ahmed be like “I’m not saying you have to make me the new James Bond. I’m just saying, it’s all connected, so think about it.”

  6. If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Autochthon
    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    You're wobbly on the JQ.
    , @Mr. Anon
    He shouldn't appoint anyone who is north of 50. If they're any good, they need to hang around for awhile.
    , @3g4me
    @6 Jimi: "If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax."

    Why, for telling the truth? How is that any different from granting a full academic ride to a Negro who treats a White like a human being?

    Besides, surely 4 out of 12 is a sufficient number of Jews in America's group of unelected lifelong oligarchs. Or would you rather we simply renamed it the Sanhedrin in fact?
  7. @istevefan

    Hoo, boy, that’s some high level intellectual debate going on here! The Dean counters the claim that black students at Penn “rarely” graduate in the top half of the class by saying black students “have” graduated in the top of the class.

    Case dismissed!
     
    It's like a Snopes fact check when countering Trump.

    It’s like a Snopes fact check when countering Trump.

    So what is Steve’s role in the Snopes trial? Darrow? Mencken?

    • Replies: @Flip
    Steve is the Mencken of our age.
  8. The median LSAT score at Penn Law is 169. Odds are all black students enrolled at Penn Law scored below that:

    “In 2004, 10,370 blacks took the LSAT examination. Only 29 blacks, or 0.3 percent of all LSAT test takers, scored 170 or above.”

    http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_graduate_admissions_test.html

    https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd/entering-class-profile.php

  9. In case anyone is wondering about her credentials, here’s Heather Mac Donald on Prof Wax:

    No thinker in the law or social sciences is more rigorous than Wax, a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale, a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Oxford, an M.D. cum laude with distinction in neuroscience from Harvard, an editor at The Columbia Law Review, and a former assistant to the solicitor general of the United States. Wax can reason circles around her critics, certainly around the knee-jerk name-callers who have come out in droves against her.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/corner/penn-law-school-amy-wax-open-letter-condemns-wax-bourgeois-values-op-ed/

    • Replies: @Pericles

    a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale, a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Oxford, an M.D. cum laude with distinction in neuroscience from Harvard

     

    Honestly, she seems like a bit of a tryhard to me.
  10. Maybe we should look into percentages that pass the bar exams.

  11. @J.Ross
    Toward the end of Kurt Vonnegut's mid-eighties novel Hocus Pocus, the protagonist-narrator discovers that the ditzy coed, who had been randomly following him around the university campus where he worked (as an organist [carillionneur] and teacher that there is such a thing as futility), has actually been recording his politically incorrect musings. A few years ago an anti-Israel professor at CUNY got in trouble with Zionist students who misspelled and misunderstood basic concepts; he was defended by the rest of his students. And then you have people like Jordan Petersen and Norman Finkelstein. It is so sad that this is even possible, but it does bring us closer to the day when we can pop the college bubble.

    OT, but Hocus Pocus is an underrated book, and in addition to being sort of a prequel to Player Piano, is very topical three decades later. Its also the most i-Steve congruent of Vonnegut’s books.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I should dig it out and quote the part where the administration is upset about the perpetual-motion machine museum because they want the kids to feel like they can do anything (right now I cannot).
  12. • Replies: @Anonymous

    Obama as smart as the whites and Asians? LOL
     
    Obama was as smart as some of the whites and Asians. That's how he became President.
  13. @eD
    OT, but Hocus Pocus is an underrated book, and in addition to being sort of a prequel to Player Piano, is very topical three decades later. Its also the most i-Steve congruent of Vonnegut's books.

    I should dig it out and quote the part where the administration is upset about the perpetual-motion machine museum because they want the kids to feel like they can do anything (right now I cannot).

  14. @Steve: how does one argue that our Barry was a cognitive superstar after reading Cashill’s article?

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cashill was largely wrong. Obama wrote like he did in "Dreams from My Father" a decade earlier in private letters. Maraniss's and Garrow's biographies include lots of quotes from Obama's letters in the 1980s to girlfriends, such as Genevieve Cook, which are in the same prose style as Dreams from My Father. Indeed, the best part of "Dreams," the Kenya trip, is largely stitched together from the letters he wrote to Sheila Miyogi Jager.

    I wouldn't rule out Bill Ayers having done a little polishing, but according to Garrow's 2017 biography, his biggest helper on dreams was Obama's Harvard law school buddy Rob Fisher, who is very bright but not very fascinating:

    https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-39.html

  15. “Amy Wax, a tenured professor, will continue to teach electives in her areas of expertise but will be removed from teaching first-year curriculum courses, Penn Law Dean Theodore Ruger said in a statement Wednesday.”

    What can I say, but… congratulations, Amy!

  16. The Times article that Steve quoted tackled a controversial topic, was heavy on facts, and came to conclusions that followed logically from premises.

    For all its flaws, the NYT of a dozen years ago seems to compare quite favorably to the Current Year edition.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Yes, it's gone from liberal to "progressive" (i.e. communist) over that time.
  17. I want to make a note here–if 78% of Blacks eventually pass the bar exam but 95% of Whites do, isn’t the Black-White gap here a little less than one standard deviation?

    After all, with a one standard deviation gap, a test that 84% of Whites would pass would have 50% of Blacks pass it and a test that 98% of Whites would pass would have 84% of Blacks pass it.

    Thus, the secret to reducing the Black-White gap in passing the bar exam is to make the bar exam so easy that virtually all Whites will pass it. Indeed, if 99.9% of Whites will pass the bar exam, so will 98% of Blacks!

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Time for our host to haul out those fireman tests!
  18. • Agree: CK
    • Replies: @Ed
    She might be able to avoid criminal penalties from the SEC or other financial agencies because her investors are considered private, not public.

    The thinking is private people should do their due diligence. Unless she pulled off some Madoff type scheme she should be in the clear.
  19. @Meretricious
    @Steve: how does one argue that our Barry was a cognitive superstar after reading Cashill's article?
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

    Cashill was largely wrong. Obama wrote like he did in “Dreams from My Father” a decade earlier in private letters. Maraniss’s and Garrow’s biographies include lots of quotes from Obama’s letters in the 1980s to girlfriends, such as Genevieve Cook, which are in the same prose style as Dreams from My Father. Indeed, the best part of “Dreams,” the Kenya trip, is largely stitched together from the letters he wrote to Sheila Miyogi Jager.

    I wouldn’t rule out Bill Ayers having done a little polishing, but according to Garrow’s 2017 biography, his biggest helper on dreams was Obama’s Harvard law school buddy Rob Fisher, who is very bright but not very fascinating:

    https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-39.html

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This bothers me targeting-wise.
    The guy is connected for years to a terrorist who wants to completely destroy the American system and talks all the time about voluntarily giving up terrorism because the "long march through the institutions" will be more effective. So let's nail him on ghostwriting and/or uncredited editing.
    Palmer was right, we need Constitutional Oprichniki.
    , @Anonymous
    I just finished reading America's Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say I find the ghostwriting theories less plausible than ever: Obama likes to write about himself, and he's not half bad at it. Why would he bother to get a ghostwriter?
    , @Meretricious
    thx--u know my take on Obama--all hat
  20. New Seth Rich lawsuits

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/164126210

    Following Julian Assange all but spelling out that murdered and unmugged DNC staffer Seth Rich was the “Russian hacker” behind the campaign leaks, there was corroboration by others, and Fox News reported it. Rich’s parents sued Fox News, making it legally possible to demand forms of information like police reports. Now an activist lawyer is pursuing these documents in the hope of further publicizing the story and getting closer to testing Skippy Podesta’s presumed temperature.

  21. If she’s Jewish, that’s the kind of honest chutzpah we need.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    Jesus Christ.

    That's all I have to say about this website and its commenters.
  22. I’m sure they will release the data. The only way to fight narrow minded bigotry like that expressed by Professor Wax is with data. Otherwise, it would be as if they and the media were cooperating in some big coordinated lie.

    • Replies: @mikeInThe716
    Given the prevalence of lax IT security and the ease in transferring large amounts of data, you have to wonder why such secrets have not been leaked. Is big law so ideologically pure that no "Snowden-lite" people exist within?
  23. @Steve Sailer
    Cashill was largely wrong. Obama wrote like he did in "Dreams from My Father" a decade earlier in private letters. Maraniss's and Garrow's biographies include lots of quotes from Obama's letters in the 1980s to girlfriends, such as Genevieve Cook, which are in the same prose style as Dreams from My Father. Indeed, the best part of "Dreams," the Kenya trip, is largely stitched together from the letters he wrote to Sheila Miyogi Jager.

    I wouldn't rule out Bill Ayers having done a little polishing, but according to Garrow's 2017 biography, his biggest helper on dreams was Obama's Harvard law school buddy Rob Fisher, who is very bright but not very fascinating:

    https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-39.html

    This bothers me targeting-wise.
    The guy is connected for years to a terrorist who wants to completely destroy the American system and talks all the time about voluntarily giving up terrorism because the “long march through the institutions” will be more effective. So let’s nail him on ghostwriting and/or uncredited editing.
    Palmer was right, we need Constitutional Oprichniki.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Rod1963
    We already have a Oprichniki it's called the FBI and they don't work for us or America they work for the ruling class.
  24. Nineteen percent of the black students who started law school in 1991 had failed to graduate five years later; the corresponding figure for whites was 8 percent.

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.

    So 100 black students start law school. 81 graduate eventually . 50 pass the bar on their first try and eventually another 13 pass. Over 1/3 of those who start NEVER become lawyers and all of the money spent on sending them to law school for 1 to 5 years (I’m guessing mostly scholarship money) is a total waste.

    Notice the sleight of hand above – the black vs. WHITE graduation rate is given but for bar exam passage it is black vs. ALL. What is the WHITE bar passage rate – they don’t tell us.

    Given that the AVERAGE LSAT at Penn is higher than the LSAT achieved by almost ANY black in America, blacks are BY DEFINITION in the bottom half of the class at Penn.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah, but Racism. And Social Justice. And FU!
  25. @Steve Sailer
    Cashill was largely wrong. Obama wrote like he did in "Dreams from My Father" a decade earlier in private letters. Maraniss's and Garrow's biographies include lots of quotes from Obama's letters in the 1980s to girlfriends, such as Genevieve Cook, which are in the same prose style as Dreams from My Father. Indeed, the best part of "Dreams," the Kenya trip, is largely stitched together from the letters he wrote to Sheila Miyogi Jager.

    I wouldn't rule out Bill Ayers having done a little polishing, but according to Garrow's 2017 biography, his biggest helper on dreams was Obama's Harvard law school buddy Rob Fisher, who is very bright but not very fascinating:

    https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-39.html

    I just finished reading America’s Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say I find the ghostwriting theories less plausible than ever: Obama likes to write about himself, and he’s not half bad at it. Why would he bother to get a ghostwriter?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm a different Anonymous, and half-wrote, then abandoned, a post touting America's Half-Blood Prince. It is a really good book that regular readers would find stimulating, and yet different in some ways from the standard blog posts. It is still relevant.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Garrow's theory is that Obama didn't have trouble writing a lot about himself, just in pulling it together, for which Rob Fisher helped out.

    Amusingly, I'd never heard of Fisher until reading Garrow's biography of Obama, even though Obama and Fisher pretty much did everything together at HLS.

    Fisher just isn't a very exciting person to base theories upon. He's a bright white guy who has gone back and forth between private sector law and law school academia. Eventually, Obama appointed him to a major job at the SEC.

    But, I'd hardly be surprised if it turned out that Ayers did a read thru of Obama's manuscript at some point. They had a lot of contact in the mid-1990s. But Obama's prose style was already in evidence a decade earlier judging from his private letters.

    , @Pericles
    Didn't Obama have problems with delivering the books to his publisher in a timely manner? Seems like a good reason to get a ghost writer.
  26. Humor:
    Do a search for “Amy Wax” on Yahoo, and look at the top two results.

  27. @Anonymous
    I just finished reading America's Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say I find the ghostwriting theories less plausible than ever: Obama likes to write about himself, and he's not half bad at it. Why would he bother to get a ghostwriter?

    I’m a different Anonymous, and half-wrote, then abandoned, a post touting America’s Half-Blood Prince. It is a really good book that regular readers would find stimulating, and yet different in some ways from the standard blog posts. It is still relevant.

  28. @Anonymous
    I just finished reading America's Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say I find the ghostwriting theories less plausible than ever: Obama likes to write about himself, and he's not half bad at it. Why would he bother to get a ghostwriter?

    Garrow’s theory is that Obama didn’t have trouble writing a lot about himself, just in pulling it together, for which Rob Fisher helped out.

    Amusingly, I’d never heard of Fisher until reading Garrow’s biography of Obama, even though Obama and Fisher pretty much did everything together at HLS.

    Fisher just isn’t a very exciting person to base theories upon. He’s a bright white guy who has gone back and forth between private sector law and law school academia. Eventually, Obama appointed him to a major job at the SEC.

    But, I’d hardly be surprised if it turned out that Ayers did a read thru of Obama’s manuscript at some point. They had a lot of contact in the mid-1990s. But Obama’s prose style was already in evidence a decade earlier judging from his private letters.

    • Replies: @johnmark7
    This I can buy since Obama can babble and prattle, but isn't very coherent or disciplined. After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    It should be an easy matter to sort out whether Ayers wrote Obama's autobio. There are authorship algorithms. Google the phrase and lots comes up.

    That would be a smart thing for a barmy billionaire to do, not try to prove he was born in Kenya.
  29. I’m sorry, Steve’s attempts to portray Obama as verbally gifted seems pained. I know you aren’t the nazi journalists think you are, but remember, trying to appease them by showing some good faith connection is pointless.

    He’s a cliche machine. He can’t talk extemporaneously about anything in an interesting way. Sure, he’s an ‘above average college student,’ but let’s stop there.

    • Replies: @johnmark7
    A lot of people can write better than they can speak extemporaneously. Me for one, but I can write and speak extemporaneously a lot better than Obama.

    His writing skills are not very good, and his speaking off the cuff skills are horrible. The guy is a maximum bore, after all.

    , @J.Ross
    Steve's not calling Obama "verbally gifted," he's calling Obama consistent.
  30. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s like a Snopes fact check when countering Trump.

     

    So what is Steve's role in the Snopes trial? Darrow? Mencken?

    Steve is the Mencken of our age.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Steve is the Mencken of our age.

    Jeez, Mencken must have been good.
  31. • Replies: @Barnard
    We can only assume they kept the Crusader name because a group of big donors told them they had to keep it.
  32. @ic1000
    The Times article that Steve quoted tackled a controversial topic, was heavy on facts, and came to conclusions that followed logically from premises.

    For all its flaws, the NYT of a dozen years ago seems to compare quite favorably to the Current Year edition.

    Yes, it’s gone from liberal to “progressive” (i.e. communist) over that time.

  33. @Steve Sailer
    Garrow's theory is that Obama didn't have trouble writing a lot about himself, just in pulling it together, for which Rob Fisher helped out.

    Amusingly, I'd never heard of Fisher until reading Garrow's biography of Obama, even though Obama and Fisher pretty much did everything together at HLS.

    Fisher just isn't a very exciting person to base theories upon. He's a bright white guy who has gone back and forth between private sector law and law school academia. Eventually, Obama appointed him to a major job at the SEC.

    But, I'd hardly be surprised if it turned out that Ayers did a read thru of Obama's manuscript at some point. They had a lot of contact in the mid-1990s. But Obama's prose style was already in evidence a decade earlier judging from his private letters.

    This I can buy since Obama can babble and prattle, but isn’t very coherent or disciplined. After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Obama isn't an original thinker (and he knows he isn't), but he's adept at getting power.
    , @Anonymous

    After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review
     
    That seems pretty shrewd in retrospect (as does his dearth of publications at U of C), low time preference, in fact. I don't know how early he had his mind on politics. He definitely did at U of C.

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled "noticers."

    BTW -- Amy Wax's entertaining bloggingheads episode with Adam Serwer is still up:
    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2745
  34. “Barack, who became an instant celebrity at Harvard Law School for being a black student who could compete intellectually in class discussions with the white and Asian students”

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.

    Perhaps Sailer is eluding to that in some clever way that this dullard cannot pickup on.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.
     
    The true anomaly is that Obama identifies as (half) black and not (half) white. I just can't understand why he wouldn't want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.
  35. It would seem likely that Penn has all the data somewhere, but you can’t see it because it’s a Secret.

    Like credit scores.

    People who work with the data, like Professor Wax, know the truth.

    That is, if they allow themselves to notice.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I can tell you with absolute certainty that if you have a high credit score you will pay your rent on time. If you have a low score, you will be late and require hounding. Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble... kid out of wedlock, chronic unemployment, alcohol abuse, gambling, no self-control.

    It's like all this stuff is connected somehow.
  36. @Reg Cæsar

    Professor Sander’s study tests a simple, but startling, thesis: Affirmative action actually depresses the number of black lawyers, because many black students end up attending law schools that are too difficult for them, and perform badly. …
     
    Those of us who bothered to read Thomas Sowell forty years ago are only "startled" by how long it took someone to say this out loud.

    Yeah, I think Sowell said about a decade ago he first mentioned academic mismatch back in 1972, in a New York Times op-ed.

    • Replies: @res

    Yeah, I think Sowell said about a decade ago he first mentioned academic mismatch back in 1972, in a New York Times op-ed.

     

    That deserves a real citation. Looking around I find
    http://www.tsowell.com/writings.html
    which mentions
    "Colleges are Skipping Over Competent Blacks to Admit 'Authentic' Ghetto Types," New York Times Magazine, December 13, 1970, pp. 34 ff.
    That page only covers the NYT magazine and does not have article text though. So let's take a look at the NYT itself.

    Searching for Sowell's articles in the 1970s: https://www.nytimes.com/search/thomas%20sowell/best/19700101/19800101
    we see more mentions than in the page above, but it does look like that 1970 op-ed is the one:
    https://www.nytimes.com/1970/12/13/archives/a-black-professor-says-colleges-are-skipping-over-competent-blacks.html

    (bolding mine)

    THERE are many sorts of educational reforms which might be instituted once the facts are known. In some cases, recruitment of black students by a consortium of colleges would avoid the ‘painful human consequences of mismatching students and institutions. In some places, pre college training centers could beef up underprepared students and match them with schools where they could keep up with the pace. (In certain schools the sheer speed with which topics are covered leaves the under prepared student lost, even though he may be perfectly capable of learning the same things at a pace geared to the level of his academic preparation.) In other cases, the crucial changes that need to be made would be personnel rather than institutional changes. But more important than any particular reforms or innovations is the fundamental need to know the facts and to face them without euphemisms, catchwords or apologetics.

     

    P.S. Good memory.
  37. @eric
    I'm sorry, Steve's attempts to portray Obama as verbally gifted seems pained. I know you aren't the nazi journalists think you are, but remember, trying to appease them by showing some good faith connection is pointless.

    He's a cliche machine. He can't talk extemporaneously about anything in an interesting way. Sure, he's an 'above average college student,' but let's stop there.

    A lot of people can write better than they can speak extemporaneously. Me for one, but I can write and speak extemporaneously a lot better than Obama.

    His writing skills are not very good, and his speaking off the cuff skills are horrible. The guy is a maximum bore, after all.

  38. State secrets. And if you even dare think of them you can be put on double secret probation.

  39. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We can only assume they kept the Crusader name because a group of big donors told them they had to keep it.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Barnard:

    I am surprised that the Jesuit President of Holy Cross didn't can both mascot and nickname.


    As a Jesuit we can rest assured that the president did not act out of any moral principles. Retaining the nickname prevented a complete posturing cake-walk which can most most likely, as you noted, be attributed to big donor pressure.
  40. So far Asians haven’t figured out how to Tiger the LSAT: whites tend to score slightly higher (by a few decimal points) than Asians, and that’s only counting test takers from the United States.

  41. @eric
    I'm sorry, Steve's attempts to portray Obama as verbally gifted seems pained. I know you aren't the nazi journalists think you are, but remember, trying to appease them by showing some good faith connection is pointless.

    He's a cliche machine. He can't talk extemporaneously about anything in an interesting way. Sure, he's an 'above average college student,' but let's stop there.

    Steve’s not calling Obama “verbally gifted,” he’s calling Obama consistent.

  42. @johnmark7
    This I can buy since Obama can babble and prattle, but isn't very coherent or disciplined. After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review.

    Obama isn’t an original thinker (and he knows he isn’t), but he’s adept at getting power.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    "but he’s adept at getting power."

    No. Low energy. Doesn't rock the boat. Good aa hire. New/improved Frank M. Davis prototype.

    , @Anonym
    Obama isn’t an original thinker (and he knows he isn’t), but he’s adept at getting power.

    Getting power or getting elected president?

    1. Be black.
    2. Be presentable.
    3. Have an IQ making you the Einstein of the mulattos.
    4. Have enough incriminating stuff on you that your donors/masters feel that their investment is safe.

    https://pizzapartyshutdown.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/u5dtsffdsbymmp5jf93rfvuvusn6a2c-768x576.png

    5. Don't rock the boat.
    6. Play golf.
  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To visualize where blacks place in law school based on the data that 58 percent are in the bottom 10 percent and 8 percent are in the top 50 percent, you have to draw a so-callled long-tail power curve, a concave curve that is high on the left and drops to zero at 100 percent. It’s similiar to the curves used to visualize web site traffice to the most-to-least popular pages:

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9oLQZdb_VJ4VlvPIXsv0YCkYjtBd-S36TNGPBlAKYb3kJs30MYg

    Black students cluster at the bottom, with a tiny percentage towards the top. The kind of distribution in the graph is the only natural way to explain the 58 and 8 numbers.

    Also, Harvard is good for getting a white-shoe law firm job, but the test is whether you make partner. Black law students are used to meet diversity requirements that are specified by clients, including, famously, Wal-Mart. After a few years it becomes obvious that they won’t make partner and the black associates drift off.

    Here’s some interesting stats about Texas Law:

    https://law.utexas.edu/admissions/quick-facts/

    LSAT median is 167, middle 50 percent is 161-168. So for most students they are highly clustered around a median, a few LSAT points. But there is a gravitational pull to the bottom, which is the AA students.

  44. OT:

    Steve, do you follow Michael Scheuer’s recent writings? Dude is based. It heartens me to think there might be a few others at the CIA whoaren’t entirely in thrall to israel and globalism.

    Let’s try sanity — focus U.S. immigration policy on attracting endangered white, Christian immigrants

    http://non-intervention.com/3151/lets-try-sanity-focus-u-s-immigration-policy-on-attracting-endangered-white-christian-immigrants/

    Also, his portrayal on that Hulu series The Looming Tower is grossly unfair. Shocking!

  45. @Anon
    If she's Jewish, that's the kind of honest chutzpah we need.

    Jesus Christ.

    That’s all I have to say about this website and its commenters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Now, now. Take a powder and have a nice lie-down on your fainting couch.

    I know it's traumatic. PS: The MSM is thataway ----->

  46. @Jimi
    If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax.

    You’re wobbly on the JQ.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    Garrow's theory is that Obama didn't have trouble writing a lot about himself, just in pulling it together, for which Rob Fisher helped out.

    Amusingly, I'd never heard of Fisher until reading Garrow's biography of Obama, even though Obama and Fisher pretty much did everything together at HLS.

    Fisher just isn't a very exciting person to base theories upon. He's a bright white guy who has gone back and forth between private sector law and law school academia. Eventually, Obama appointed him to a major job at the SEC.

    But, I'd hardly be surprised if it turned out that Ayers did a read thru of Obama's manuscript at some point. They had a lot of contact in the mid-1990s. But Obama's prose style was already in evidence a decade earlier judging from his private letters.

    It should be an easy matter to sort out whether Ayers wrote Obama’s autobio. There are authorship algorithms. Google the phrase and lots comes up.

    That would be a smart thing for a barmy billionaire to do, not try to prove he was born in Kenya.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @johnmark7
    This I can buy since Obama can babble and prattle, but isn't very coherent or disciplined. After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review.

    After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review

    That seems pretty shrewd in retrospect (as does his dearth of publications at U of C), low time preference, in fact. I don’t know how early he had his mind on politics. He definitely did at U of C.

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled “noticers.”

    BTW — Amy Wax’s entertaining bloggingheads episode with Adam Serwer is still up:

    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2745

    • Replies: @Pericles

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled “noticers.”

     

    I dunno, Obama just doesn't seem that smart to me. What would you estimate his IQ to be? His math SAT? Would you say he has a higher IQ than Trump?
    , @European-American
    Oh wow. I see what you mean by entertaining! I don’t know who this guy Adam Serwer is, but he comes off as a well-meaning, stuttering, idiot.

    The interview was from 2010 (sadly the video seems unavailable (on my iPad anyway), but the mp3 still works). What Amy Wax says sounds very sensible and exactly right, but at the same time I am amazed she wasn’t burned at the stake years ago. I feel just saying the words “Amy Wax” should be verboten.

    Just to be safe I suggest we ban all law professors called Amy.
  49. Wax is Jewish. Every. Single. Time, amiright??!!

    Oh wait, it doesn’t fit the narrative this time… ok, let’s not mention that Wax is Jewish. But let’s continue to mention it every time a leftist idiot is Jewish. Cool.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I think most everyone on this site is already aware she's jewish. And if most of the leading leftists destroying Western Civilization happen to be leftists, don't blame us goyim for noticing. P.S. Stop being so defensive.
    , @J.Ross
    The bad Jews are in power, destroying America, might destroy Wax herself, and, as you well know, rely on conflating all criticism with bigotry to avoid being called out. Have you ever felt particularly moved by the fact that the White Rose Society was German? I'm not. If Wax fails and is forgotten, it wouldn't be because of "Nazis" admiring and publicizing and supporting her, it would be thanks to the new Yegodas.
    , @Captain Tripps
    Calm down. Take 3 deep breaths, then count to 10.

    It will also help if you switch to decaf.

    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." - Emerson

    "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." - Huxley

    "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative." - Wilde

    "Consistency is the enemy of enterprise, just as symmetry is the enemy of art." - Shaw

    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." - Fitzgerald

    "When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?" - Keynes

    Hopefully you are OK now.
  50. For fun, Trump should require that any university getting Fed dollars needs to publish ALL applications on line, along with who got in and who didn’t, and why those decisions were made. After all, how else can we know that people of color aren’t being discriminated against?

    Democracy dies in darkness or something, right? Let’s shine a light on the dark corners of white supremacy in college admissions!

  51. Last year, The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education listed the percentage of blacks enrolled in at the top 15 law schools.

    Harvard 8.7
    Univ of Pennsylvania 7.4
    Duke 7.1
    Yale 6.9
    Columbia 6.5
    Cornell 6.4
    Georgetown 6.4
    New York Univ. 6.2
    Stanford 5.9
    Univ. of Chicago 5.5
    Univ. of Virginia 5.4
    Univ. of Texas 4.8
    Northwestern 4.7
    Univ. of Cal. Berkeley 4.4
    Univ. of Michigan 3.6

    From the comment section:

    Lisa Banks:
    Certainly eye-opening data! Would you expect that the fact that University of California Berkeley and University of Michigan are prohibited by state law from considering race in admissions decision is a factor contributing to their lower percent of black law students?

    Editor:
    Yes

    https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/ranking-the-top-law-schools-by-their-percentage-of-black-students/

    • Replies: @D. K.
    State law schools also give preference to in-state residents, which skews how many Blacks one would expect in their entering classes, all else being equal. California is only 6.5% Black, for instance, while Michigan is 14.2% Black.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Triumph104:

    While both the Universities of California Berkeley and Michigan have state laws prohibiting race considerations in admission decisions, I thought that there were sleight-of-hand ways of doing so, e.g. holistic considerations.

    I hope that I am wrong and things are done above board.
    , @anon
    I graduated from Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall back then) in the early 1980s, and I don't remember many black students, but there was a very noticable group of Hispanic students who sat together and never could respond to anything the professor asked. Boalt had a hippy-dippy grading system, top 10 percent, next 30 percent, bottom 60 percent ... and fail, so unless they failed it was kind of hard to rank people.
    , @Steve Sailer
    So Penn, second behind Harvard, is probably trying too hard.
  52. @Barnard
    We can only assume they kept the Crusader name because a group of big donors told them they had to keep it.

    Barnard:

    I am surprised that the Jesuit President of Holy Cross didn’t can both mascot and nickname.

    As a Jesuit we can rest assured that the president did not act out of any moral principles. Retaining the nickname prevented a complete posturing cake-walk which can most most likely, as you noted, be attributed to big donor pressure.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    Cashill was largely wrong. Obama wrote like he did in "Dreams from My Father" a decade earlier in private letters. Maraniss's and Garrow's biographies include lots of quotes from Obama's letters in the 1980s to girlfriends, such as Genevieve Cook, which are in the same prose style as Dreams from My Father. Indeed, the best part of "Dreams," the Kenya trip, is largely stitched together from the letters he wrote to Sheila Miyogi Jager.

    I wouldn't rule out Bill Ayers having done a little polishing, but according to Garrow's 2017 biography, his biggest helper on dreams was Obama's Harvard law school buddy Rob Fisher, who is very bright but not very fascinating:

    https://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2016-39.html

    thx–u know my take on Obama–all hat

  54. @Steve Sailer
    Obama isn't an original thinker (and he knows he isn't), but he's adept at getting power.

    “but he’s adept at getting power.”

    No. Low energy. Doesn’t rock the boat. Good aa hire. New/improved Frank M. Davis prototype.

  55. @anonymous
    Wax is Jewish. Every. Single. Time, amiright??!!

    Oh wait, it doesn't fit the narrative this time... ok, let's not mention that Wax is Jewish. But let's continue to mention it every time a leftist idiot is Jewish. Cool.

    I think most everyone on this site is already aware she’s jewish. And if most of the leading leftists destroying Western Civilization happen to be leftists, don’t blame us goyim for noticing. P.S. Stop being so defensive.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    That should say: "happen to be jewish".
  56. Steve,

    For what it’s worth (probably not much in the grand scheme of things):

    Following several of her lectures I had a chance to talk to Prof Wax. In addition to being principled; she is very approachable and down to earth. She is obviously being mistreated by the powers-that-be at Penn. But she can take care of herself – along the lines of Linda Gottfredson who made the academic jackals at Delaware University rue the day they tried to push her around.

    Sisterhood Is Powerful!

  57. @Triumph104
    Last year, The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education listed the percentage of blacks enrolled in at the top 15 law schools.


    Harvard 8.7
    Univ of Pennsylvania 7.4
    Duke 7.1
    Yale 6.9
    Columbia 6.5
    Cornell 6.4
    Georgetown 6.4
    New York Univ. 6.2
    Stanford 5.9
    Univ. of Chicago 5.5
    Univ. of Virginia 5.4
    Univ. of Texas 4.8
    Northwestern 4.7
    Univ. of Cal. Berkeley 4.4
    Univ. of Michigan 3.6

    From the comment section:

    Lisa Banks:
    Certainly eye-opening data! Would you expect that the fact that University of California Berkeley and University of Michigan are prohibited by state law from considering race in admissions decision is a factor contributing to their lower percent of black law students?

    Editor:
    Yes

    https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/ranking-the-top-law-schools-by-their-percentage-of-black-students/

    State law schools also give preference to in-state residents, which skews how many Blacks one would expect in their entering classes, all else being equal. California is only 6.5% Black, for instance, while Michigan is 14.2% Black.

  58. A few random points:

    1. The Ivy Leagues cook the books by admitting the kids of recent African immigrants. As well as Caribbean immigrants. If you looked at the number of Black admitees who are actually descended from slaves, my guess is that the numbers would be considerably less.

    2. The smart Black and Latino lawyers get sucked up by big firms and corporate law departments. Only the dregs are out “serving the community”.

    3. California has the Baby Bar exam for the unaccredited law schools. You an’t advance beyond the first year without passing that test. This is a form of consumer protection, designed to hamper the bottom-feeding law schools referred to by Steve. http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Examinations/First-Year-Law-Students-Examination

  59. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Barack, who became an instant celebrity at Harvard Law School for being a black student who could compete intellectually in class discussions with the white and Asian students"

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.

    Perhaps Sailer is eluding to that in some clever way that this dullard cannot pickup on.

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.

    The true anomaly is that Obama identifies as (half) black and not (half) white. I just can’t understand why he wouldn’t want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Or better yet, marry either a non-obese white woman, or a black woman better looking than Michelle.
    , @black sea

    I just can’t understand why he wouldn’t want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.
     
    Obama has embraced Tiny Duck's recently articulated advice to white male students to "concentrate their privileged position on giving up some of their unearned power."

    Whether or not he's taken on board the part about "explor[ing] the full range of sexuality and fluidity of gender," I don't know.
    , @Macumazahn
    Even Obama is smart enough to know that a mulatto like himself can neither pass nor identify as white.
  60. @anonymous
    Wax is Jewish. Every. Single. Time, amiright??!!

    Oh wait, it doesn't fit the narrative this time... ok, let's not mention that Wax is Jewish. But let's continue to mention it every time a leftist idiot is Jewish. Cool.

    The bad Jews are in power, destroying America, might destroy Wax herself, and, as you well know, rely on conflating all criticism with bigotry to avoid being called out. Have you ever felt particularly moved by the fact that the White Rose Society was German? I’m not. If Wax fails and is forgotten, it wouldn’t be because of “Nazis” admiring and publicizing and supporting her, it would be thanks to the new Yegodas.

  61. @Triumph104
    Last year, The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education listed the percentage of blacks enrolled in at the top 15 law schools.


    Harvard 8.7
    Univ of Pennsylvania 7.4
    Duke 7.1
    Yale 6.9
    Columbia 6.5
    Cornell 6.4
    Georgetown 6.4
    New York Univ. 6.2
    Stanford 5.9
    Univ. of Chicago 5.5
    Univ. of Virginia 5.4
    Univ. of Texas 4.8
    Northwestern 4.7
    Univ. of Cal. Berkeley 4.4
    Univ. of Michigan 3.6

    From the comment section:

    Lisa Banks:
    Certainly eye-opening data! Would you expect that the fact that University of California Berkeley and University of Michigan are prohibited by state law from considering race in admissions decision is a factor contributing to their lower percent of black law students?

    Editor:
    Yes

    https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/ranking-the-top-law-schools-by-their-percentage-of-black-students/

    Triumph104:

    While both the Universities of California Berkeley and Michigan have state laws prohibiting race considerations in admission decisions, I thought that there were sleight-of-hand ways of doing so, e.g. holistic considerations.

    I hope that I am wrong and things are done above board.

    • Replies: @wrd9
    They most certainly have found ways to run around the color blind mandate via the "holistic" process. Here's a NYT article from 2007 that's rather blatant about the run around for UCLA.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
    , @Triumph104
    The New York Times wrote a 2013 article on the holistic undergraduate admissions process that UC Berkeley uses to skirt around the affirmative action ban. It appears that their law school is employing some of the same tricks.

    Recently, the University of Michigan bragged that it increased the percentage of blacks in an entering freshmen class. The university actually admitted that the size of the freshman class was cut and no one was admitted off the waitlist that year since most people on the waitlist were white or Asian. Michigan's law school may soon follow suit.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/education/edlife/lifting-the-veil-on-the-holistic-process-at-the-university-of-california-berkeley.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/us/affirmative-action-supreme-court-michigan.html

  62. can someone please explain why we are wasting time discussing a biracial affirmative action mediocrity? The guy thinks Jay-Z is talented and he’s married to a female dork

  63. @King Baeksu

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.
     
    The true anomaly is that Obama identifies as (half) black and not (half) white. I just can't understand why he wouldn't want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.

    Or better yet, marry either a non-obese white woman, or a black woman better looking than Michelle.

  64. About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.

    You think that’s bad? Try Board passing rates for recently graduated physicians.

    At least lawyers don’t kill people (directly). Incompetent doctors do.

    Nothing screams MISMATCH like the number of blacks 1) who gain admission to medical schools (usually through affirmative action), 2) who graduate (inflated/pity-grading by profs) and 3) TADA! Board certification step 1 and 2 results. UH OH!

    A sizable local medical corporation, with which I am familiar, had to fire ALL the black doctors in select (difficult) specialties some years ago. Why? Because, the credentialing hospitals in the area – by policy – require “Board-eligible” status, followed after a suitable time frame by “Board-certified” status. Otherwise, doctors do not get credentialing to practice at these hospitals.

    Well, despite being given extra time off, subsidies for prepping, etc. etc., EVERY SINGLE black “Board-eligible” doctor in these specialties at this corporation failed to pass – repeatedly. Oooops. All had to be let go, because they weren’t allowed to be credentialed and work at the local hospitals.

    I just hate “affirmative action” with a passion. It distorts so much of academia and professional life. As I mentioned before several times, I prefer an elite stratum that cares about the rest of the country and has noblesse oblige (used to be called “patriotism”), but if we can’t have that, at least give me a genuinely meritocratic elite, not one cobbled together with social engineering attempts.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it's physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.
    , @Anonymous
    It is probably best to run with the "kills black people" angle. Over time, black doctors will gravitate towards "serving" blacks, and... killing them. I myself actually like black people and have no desire to see them killed unless they are trying to kill me (and that is a last resort....).
    , @the Supreme Gentleman
    Twinkie, apropos of nothing, I just wanted to note that, ever since Steve reposted your hilarious satirical description of the United Airlines brouhaha, I typically find your contributions to the UR comments sections to be among the most valuable. (I wish to mention this because "commenting/arguing about politics on the internet" typically seems like some sort of self-imposed Augean/Sisyphean fool's labor, so for whatever it's worth I personally enjoy reading your comments.)
    , @Triumph104

    This year (2017), 21,338 students entered medical school for the first time. Of these, 1,775 identified themselves as Black or African American. Thus, Blacks made up 8.3 percent of new entrants to U.S. medical schools. This was down slightly from 2016, although the actual number of African American matriculants increased by four compared to 2016.

    Just four years ago in 2013, there were just 1,396 Black who entered medical school. Therefore, over the four-year period, the number of new entrants to medical schools who identified as Black or African American increased by 27 percent. In 2013, Blacks were 7.0 percent of all new entrants to medical schools.
     
    https://www.jbhe.com/2017/12/a-checkup-on-african-american-students-entering-u-s-medical-schools/
  65. @Tulip
    I'm sure they will release the data. The only way to fight narrow minded bigotry like that expressed by Professor Wax is with data. Otherwise, it would be as if they and the media were cooperating in some big coordinated lie.

    Given the prevalence of lax IT security and the ease in transferring large amounts of data, you have to wonder why such secrets have not been leaked. Is big law so ideologically pure that no “Snowden-lite” people exist within?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Snowden sort of lost his job, among other things, remember?

    Not too many people are in a position to re-create their entire lives overseas.
  66. @J.Ross
    This bothers me targeting-wise.
    The guy is connected for years to a terrorist who wants to completely destroy the American system and talks all the time about voluntarily giving up terrorism because the "long march through the institutions" will be more effective. So let's nail him on ghostwriting and/or uncredited editing.
    Palmer was right, we need Constitutional Oprichniki.

    We already have a Oprichniki it’s called the FBI and they don’t work for us or America they work for the ruling class.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >we
  67. @Twinkie

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.
     
    You think that's bad? Try Board passing rates for recently graduated physicians.

    At least lawyers don't kill people (directly). Incompetent doctors do.

    Nothing screams MISMATCH like the number of blacks 1) who gain admission to medical schools (usually through affirmative action), 2) who graduate (inflated/pity-grading by profs) and 3) TADA! Board certification step 1 and 2 results. UH OH!

    A sizable local medical corporation, with which I am familiar, had to fire ALL the black doctors in select (difficult) specialties some years ago. Why? Because, the credentialing hospitals in the area - by policy - require "Board-eligible" status, followed after a suitable time frame by "Board-certified" status. Otherwise, doctors do not get credentialing to practice at these hospitals.

    Well, despite being given extra time off, subsidies for prepping, etc. etc., EVERY SINGLE black "Board-eligible" doctor in these specialties at this corporation failed to pass - repeatedly. Oooops. All had to be let go, because they weren't allowed to be credentialed and work at the local hospitals.

    I just hate "affirmative action" with a passion. It distorts so much of academia and professional life. As I mentioned before several times, I prefer an elite stratum that cares about the rest of the country and has noblesse oblige (used to be called "patriotism"), but if we can't have that, at least give me a genuinely meritocratic elite, not one cobbled together with social engineering attempts.

    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it’s physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.

    • Replies: @inertial
    Cops are a little different. Some affirmative action in hiring cops is ok and sometimes necessary.
    , @Twinkie

    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it’s physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.
     
    Let me fix that for you: Affirmative action is immoral.
  68. @Flip
    Steve is the Mencken of our age.

    Steve is the Mencken of our age.

    Jeez, Mencken must have been good.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    Obama isn't an original thinker (and he knows he isn't), but he's adept at getting power.

    Obama isn’t an original thinker (and he knows he isn’t), but he’s adept at getting power.

    Getting power or getting elected president?

    1. Be black.
    2. Be presentable.
    3. Have an IQ making you the Einstein of the mulattos.
    4. Have enough incriminating stuff on you that your donors/masters feel that their investment is safe.

    5. Don’t rock the boat.
    6. Play golf.

  70. @King Baeksu

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.
     
    The true anomaly is that Obama identifies as (half) black and not (half) white. I just can't understand why he wouldn't want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.

    I just can’t understand why he wouldn’t want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.

    Obama has embraced Tiny Duck’s recently articulated advice to white male students to “concentrate their privileged position on giving up some of their unearned power.”

    Whether or not he’s taken on board the part about “explor[ing] the full range of sexuality and fluidity of gender,” I don’t know.

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.
     
    You think that's bad? Try Board passing rates for recently graduated physicians.

    At least lawyers don't kill people (directly). Incompetent doctors do.

    Nothing screams MISMATCH like the number of blacks 1) who gain admission to medical schools (usually through affirmative action), 2) who graduate (inflated/pity-grading by profs) and 3) TADA! Board certification step 1 and 2 results. UH OH!

    A sizable local medical corporation, with which I am familiar, had to fire ALL the black doctors in select (difficult) specialties some years ago. Why? Because, the credentialing hospitals in the area - by policy - require "Board-eligible" status, followed after a suitable time frame by "Board-certified" status. Otherwise, doctors do not get credentialing to practice at these hospitals.

    Well, despite being given extra time off, subsidies for prepping, etc. etc., EVERY SINGLE black "Board-eligible" doctor in these specialties at this corporation failed to pass - repeatedly. Oooops. All had to be let go, because they weren't allowed to be credentialed and work at the local hospitals.

    I just hate "affirmative action" with a passion. It distorts so much of academia and professional life. As I mentioned before several times, I prefer an elite stratum that cares about the rest of the country and has noblesse oblige (used to be called "patriotism"), but if we can't have that, at least give me a genuinely meritocratic elite, not one cobbled together with social engineering attempts.

    It is probably best to run with the “kills black people” angle. Over time, black doctors will gravitate towards “serving” blacks, and… killing them. I myself actually like black people and have no desire to see them killed unless they are trying to kill me (and that is a last resort….).

  72. @Twinkie

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.
     
    You think that's bad? Try Board passing rates for recently graduated physicians.

    At least lawyers don't kill people (directly). Incompetent doctors do.

    Nothing screams MISMATCH like the number of blacks 1) who gain admission to medical schools (usually through affirmative action), 2) who graduate (inflated/pity-grading by profs) and 3) TADA! Board certification step 1 and 2 results. UH OH!

    A sizable local medical corporation, with which I am familiar, had to fire ALL the black doctors in select (difficult) specialties some years ago. Why? Because, the credentialing hospitals in the area - by policy - require "Board-eligible" status, followed after a suitable time frame by "Board-certified" status. Otherwise, doctors do not get credentialing to practice at these hospitals.

    Well, despite being given extra time off, subsidies for prepping, etc. etc., EVERY SINGLE black "Board-eligible" doctor in these specialties at this corporation failed to pass - repeatedly. Oooops. All had to be let go, because they weren't allowed to be credentialed and work at the local hospitals.

    I just hate "affirmative action" with a passion. It distorts so much of academia and professional life. As I mentioned before several times, I prefer an elite stratum that cares about the rest of the country and has noblesse oblige (used to be called "patriotism"), but if we can't have that, at least give me a genuinely meritocratic elite, not one cobbled together with social engineering attempts.

    Twinkie, apropos of nothing, I just wanted to note that, ever since Steve reposted your hilarious satirical description of the United Airlines brouhaha, I typically find your contributions to the UR comments sections to be among the most valuable. (I wish to mention this because “commenting/arguing about politics on the internet” typically seems like some sort of self-imposed Augean/Sisyphean fool’s labor, so for whatever it’s worth I personally enjoy reading your comments.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I appreciate the kind words.
  73. @Rod1963
    We already have a Oprichniki it's called the FBI and they don't work for us or America they work for the ruling class.

    >we

  74. @J.Ross
    OT Riz Ahmed (who is apparently a guy in one of the Abrams Star Wars movies) says lack of Muslims in movies drives kids to join ISIS
    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/mar/02/riz-ahmed-warns-lack-of-diversity-on-tv-will-drive-young-to-isis
    ["]I'm not saying you have to make me the new James Bond. I'm just saying, it's all connected, so think about it.["]
    (Not an actual quote. There should be distinct punctuation for joke quotes and paraphrasing.)

    If you don’t reward us better for being violent and invading your countries, we’re going to be violent and invade your countries.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Exactly, I hope more and more people understand that this is what terrorism is, this is why "moderate Muslims" are part of terrorism (beyond their multiple forms of direct support). The terrorist is like the Hebrew prophet, pure and outraged, bringing to a sinful Earth the actualization of divine wrath -- only, not verbally. The "moderates" are there to show you the way carrot-style, and the terrorist is the stick.
  75. @Meretricious
    Obama as smart as the whites and Asians? LOL
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904140604576495932704234052

    Obama as smart as the whites and Asians? LOL

    Obama was as smart as some of the whites and Asians. That’s how he became President.

  76. @Obsessive Contrarian
    Jesus Christ.

    That's all I have to say about this website and its commenters.

    Now, now. Take a powder and have a nice lie-down on your fainting couch.

    I know it’s traumatic. PS: The MSM is thataway —–>

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    Yes, and I'm clutching my pearls as well. You forgot that cliche.

    It's possible to think that the MSM sucks, and you do, too. Did that ever occur to you, Newton?

  77. @Jack D

    Nineteen percent of the black students who started law school in 1991 had failed to graduate five years later; the corresponding figure for whites was 8 percent.

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.
     
    So 100 black students start law school. 81 graduate eventually . 50 pass the bar on their first try and eventually another 13 pass. Over 1/3 of those who start NEVER become lawyers and all of the money spent on sending them to law school for 1 to 5 years (I'm guessing mostly scholarship money) is a total waste.

    Notice the sleight of hand above - the black vs. WHITE graduation rate is given but for bar exam passage it is black vs. ALL. What is the WHITE bar passage rate - they don't tell us.

    Given that the AVERAGE LSAT at Penn is higher than the LSAT achieved by almost ANY black in America, blacks are BY DEFINITION in the bottom half of the class at Penn.

    Yeah, but Racism. And Social Justice. And FU!

  78. @mikeInThe716
    Given the prevalence of lax IT security and the ease in transferring large amounts of data, you have to wonder why such secrets have not been leaked. Is big law so ideologically pure that no "Snowden-lite" people exist within?

    Snowden sort of lost his job, among other things, remember?

    Not too many people are in a position to re-create their entire lives overseas.

  79. @Anonymous
    If you don't reward us better for being violent and invading your countries, we're going to be violent and invade your countries.

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/571/dailystruggg.jpg

    Exactly, I hope more and more people understand that this is what terrorism is, this is why “moderate Muslims” are part of terrorism (beyond their multiple forms of direct support). The terrorist is like the Hebrew prophet, pure and outraged, bringing to a sinful Earth the actualization of divine wrath — only, not verbally. The “moderates” are there to show you the way carrot-style, and the terrorist is the stick.

  80. @J.Ross
    OT Riz Ahmed (who is apparently a guy in one of the Abrams Star Wars movies) says lack of Muslims in movies drives kids to join ISIS
    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/mar/02/riz-ahmed-warns-lack-of-diversity-on-tv-will-drive-young-to-isis
    ["]I'm not saying you have to make me the new James Bond. I'm just saying, it's all connected, so think about it.["]
    (Not an actual quote. There should be distinct punctuation for joke quotes and paraphrasing.)

    “… distinct punctuation for joke quotes …”

    Try “be like”, a handy formulation borrowed from Ebonics.

    E. g., Riz Ahmed be like “I’m not saying you have to make me the new James Bond. I’m just saying, it’s all connected, so think about it.”

  81. @King Baeksu

    Let us not forget Barry is half white, which seems to explain this anomaly.
     
    The true anomaly is that Obama identifies as (half) black and not (half) white. I just can't understand why he wouldn't want to take advantage of all that fabulous white privilege.

    Even Obama is smart enough to know that a mulatto like himself can neither pass nor identify as white.

  82. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104
    Last year, The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education listed the percentage of blacks enrolled in at the top 15 law schools.


    Harvard 8.7
    Univ of Pennsylvania 7.4
    Duke 7.1
    Yale 6.9
    Columbia 6.5
    Cornell 6.4
    Georgetown 6.4
    New York Univ. 6.2
    Stanford 5.9
    Univ. of Chicago 5.5
    Univ. of Virginia 5.4
    Univ. of Texas 4.8
    Northwestern 4.7
    Univ. of Cal. Berkeley 4.4
    Univ. of Michigan 3.6

    From the comment section:

    Lisa Banks:
    Certainly eye-opening data! Would you expect that the fact that University of California Berkeley and University of Michigan are prohibited by state law from considering race in admissions decision is a factor contributing to their lower percent of black law students?

    Editor:
    Yes

    https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/ranking-the-top-law-schools-by-their-percentage-of-black-students/

    I graduated from Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall back then) in the early 1980s, and I don’t remember many black students, but there was a very noticable group of Hispanic students who sat together and never could respond to anything the professor asked. Boalt had a hippy-dippy grading system, top 10 percent, next 30 percent, bottom 60 percent … and fail, so unless they failed it was kind of hard to rank people.

  83. @Triumph104
    Last year, The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education listed the percentage of blacks enrolled in at the top 15 law schools.


    Harvard 8.7
    Univ of Pennsylvania 7.4
    Duke 7.1
    Yale 6.9
    Columbia 6.5
    Cornell 6.4
    Georgetown 6.4
    New York Univ. 6.2
    Stanford 5.9
    Univ. of Chicago 5.5
    Univ. of Virginia 5.4
    Univ. of Texas 4.8
    Northwestern 4.7
    Univ. of Cal. Berkeley 4.4
    Univ. of Michigan 3.6

    From the comment section:

    Lisa Banks:
    Certainly eye-opening data! Would you expect that the fact that University of California Berkeley and University of Michigan are prohibited by state law from considering race in admissions decision is a factor contributing to their lower percent of black law students?

    Editor:
    Yes

    https://www.jbhe.com/2014/12/ranking-the-top-law-schools-by-their-percentage-of-black-students/

    So Penn, second behind Harvard, is probably trying too hard.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    I do think Penn is trying too hard. For the life of me, I don"t recall ever reading about any black law school graduate from Penn, but I know that Spike Lee's wife attended the University of Virginia's law school.
  84. and white guys are “underrepresented” in the NBA and in NFL defenses

  85. @anonymous
    Wax is Jewish. Every. Single. Time, amiright??!!

    Oh wait, it doesn't fit the narrative this time... ok, let's not mention that Wax is Jewish. But let's continue to mention it every time a leftist idiot is Jewish. Cool.

    Calm down. Take 3 deep breaths, then count to 10.

    It will also help if you switch to decaf.

    “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.” – Emerson

    “Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead.” – Huxley

    “Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.” – Wilde

    “Consistency is the enemy of enterprise, just as symmetry is the enemy of art.” – Shaw

    “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.” – Fitzgerald

    “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?” – Keynes

    Hopefully you are OK now.

  86. @Dave Pinsen
    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it's physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.

    Cops are a little different. Some affirmative action in hiring cops is ok and sometimes necessary.

  87. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I think most everyone on this site is already aware she's jewish. And if most of the leading leftists destroying Western Civilization happen to be leftists, don't blame us goyim for noticing. P.S. Stop being so defensive.

    That should say: “happen to be jewish”.

  88. @Anonymous
    Now, now. Take a powder and have a nice lie-down on your fainting couch.

    I know it's traumatic. PS: The MSM is thataway ----->

    Yes, and I’m clutching my pearls as well. You forgot that cliche.

    It’s possible to think that the MSM sucks, and you do, too. Did that ever occur to you, Newton?

  89. @Jimi
    If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax.

    He shouldn’t appoint anyone who is north of 50. If they’re any good, they need to hang around for awhile.

  90. @syonredux
    In case anyone is wondering about her credentials, here's Heather Mac Donald on Prof Wax:

    No thinker in the law or social sciences is more rigorous than Wax, a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale, a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Oxford, an M.D. cum laude with distinction in neuroscience from Harvard, an editor at The Columbia Law Review, and a former assistant to the solicitor general of the United States. Wax can reason circles around her critics, certainly around the knee-jerk name-callers who have come out in droves against her.
     
    https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/corner/penn-law-school-amy-wax-open-letter-condemns-wax-bourgeois-values-op-ed/

    a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale, a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Oxford, an M.D. cum laude with distinction in neuroscience from Harvard

    Honestly, she seems like a bit of a tryhard to me.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    an M.D. cum laude with distinction
     
    I once knew a dermatologist lady who was like that.
  91. @Mr. XYZ
    I want to make a note here--if 78% of Blacks eventually pass the bar exam but 95% of Whites do, isn't the Black-White gap here a little less than one standard deviation?

    After all, with a one standard deviation gap, a test that 84% of Whites would pass would have 50% of Blacks pass it and a test that 98% of Whites would pass would have 84% of Blacks pass it.

    Thus, the secret to reducing the Black-White gap in passing the bar exam is to make the bar exam so easy that virtually all Whites will pass it. Indeed, if 99.9% of Whites will pass the bar exam, so will 98% of Blacks!

    Time for our host to haul out those fireman tests!

  92. @Anonymous
    I just finished reading America's Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say I find the ghostwriting theories less plausible than ever: Obama likes to write about himself, and he's not half bad at it. Why would he bother to get a ghostwriter?

    Didn’t Obama have problems with delivering the books to his publisher in a timely manner? Seems like a good reason to get a ghost writer.

  93. @Anonymous

    After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review
     
    That seems pretty shrewd in retrospect (as does his dearth of publications at U of C), low time preference, in fact. I don't know how early he had his mind on politics. He definitely did at U of C.

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled "noticers."

    BTW -- Amy Wax's entertaining bloggingheads episode with Adam Serwer is still up:
    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2745

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled “noticers.”

    I dunno, Obama just doesn’t seem that smart to me. What would you estimate his IQ to be? His math SAT? Would you say he has a higher IQ than Trump?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This. Obama has never even tried to succeed in the real world. He was born into a Mandarin family and has been public sector/academia plus affirmative action since then. His smart guy act is tailored to the TED/SXSW subculture and there's nothing disingenuous about calling him on it.
    Now go back and reread what I wrote, inserting random pauses and little "uh"s, as though I was a deep thinker just coming up with this. Does that make it sound smarter, or lazy?
  94. @Anonymous

    After all, not a single article as editor (or is it Pres?) of HLS review
     
    That seems pretty shrewd in retrospect (as does his dearth of publications at U of C), low time preference, in fact. I don't know how early he had his mind on politics. He definitely did at U of C.

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled "noticers."

    BTW -- Amy Wax's entertaining bloggingheads episode with Adam Serwer is still up:
    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2745

    Oh wow. I see what you mean by entertaining! I don’t know who this guy Adam Serwer is, but he comes off as a well-meaning, stuttering, idiot.

    The interview was from 2010 (sadly the video seems unavailable (on my iPad anyway), but the mp3 still works). What Amy Wax says sounds very sensible and exactly right, but at the same time I am amazed she wasn’t burned at the stake years ago. I feel just saying the words “Amy Wax” should be verboten.

    Just to be safe I suggest we ban all law professors called Amy.

  95. @Steve Sailer
    So Penn, second behind Harvard, is probably trying too hard.

    I do think Penn is trying too hard. For the life of me, I don”t recall ever reading about any black law school graduate from Penn, but I know that Spike Lee’s wife attended the University of Virginia’s law school.

  96. @Unladen Swallow
    Yeah, I think Sowell said about a decade ago he first mentioned academic mismatch back in 1972, in a New York Times op-ed.

    Yeah, I think Sowell said about a decade ago he first mentioned academic mismatch back in 1972, in a New York Times op-ed.

    That deserves a real citation. Looking around I find

    http://www.tsowell.com/writings.html

    which mentions
    “Colleges are Skipping Over Competent Blacks to Admit ‘Authentic’ Ghetto Types,” New York Times Magazine, December 13, 1970, pp. 34 ff.
    That page only covers the NYT magazine and does not have article text though. So let’s take a look at the NYT itself.

    Searching for Sowell’s articles in the 1970s: https://www.nytimes.com/search/thomas%20sowell/best/19700101/19800101
    we see more mentions than in the page above, but it does look like that 1970 op-ed is the one:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1970/12/13/archives/a-black-professor-says-colleges-are-skipping-over-competent-blacks.html

    (bolding mine)

    THERE are many sorts of educational reforms which might be instituted once the facts are known. In some cases, recruitment of black students by a consortium of colleges would avoid the ‘painful human consequences of mismatching students and institutions. In some places, pre college training centers could beef up underprepared students and match them with schools where they could keep up with the pace. (In certain schools the sheer speed with which topics are covered leaves the under prepared student lost, even though he may be perfectly capable of learning the same things at a pace geared to the level of his academic preparation.) In other cases, the crucial changes that need to be made would be personnel rather than institutional changes. But more important than any particular reforms or innovations is the fundamental need to know the facts and to face them without euphemisms, catchwords or apologetics.

    P.S. Good memory.

  97. @Dan Hayes
    Triumph104:

    While both the Universities of California Berkeley and Michigan have state laws prohibiting race considerations in admission decisions, I thought that there were sleight-of-hand ways of doing so, e.g. holistic considerations.

    I hope that I am wrong and things are done above board.

    They most certainly have found ways to run around the color blind mandate via the “holistic” process. Here’s a NYT article from 2007 that’s rather blatant about the run around for UCLA.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    wrd9:

    Thanks for forwarding the New York Times article. It once again proves the duplicity of the academic class.
    , @King Baeksu

    To be truly meritocratic, a college must be diverse — or else accept that some groups in society have less merit than others and their underrepresentation can’t be helped.
     
    According to the New York Times, meritocracy = diversity. Glad that's solved!
  98. @Buzz Mohawk

    It would seem likely that Penn has all the data somewhere, but you can’t see it because it’s a Secret.
     
    Like credit scores.

    People who work with the data, like Professor Wax, know the truth.

    That is, if they allow themselves to notice.

    I can tell you with absolute certainty that if you have a high credit score you will pay your rent on time. If you have a low score, you will be late and require hounding. Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble… kid out of wedlock, chronic unemployment, alcohol abuse, gambling, no self-control.

    It’s like all this stuff is connected somehow.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble…

    It’s like all this stuff is connected somehow.
     

    Exactly.

    Credit reports, like law school grades, are confidential for the privacy of individuals, but there is no reason why the averages for demographic cohorts can't be studied and published.

    As you imply, the results would be the same.

    These are examples of cases in which professionals like law professors and lenders notice things and know what otherwise are state secrets.

    , @E. Rekshun
    I self-manage my one rental property, but when I have a rental vacancy, I use a real estate agent to advertise and screen new rental applicants. The screen includes a full credit check; and, you're correct. I mostly rely on the applicants' credit scores to decide on a new tenant. A real estate agent can get access to the three credit bureaus. I'm not defined as a real estate professional, so I cannot get direct access to rental applicants' credit scores.
  99. Nobody has commented on this, strangely, but 12% of the class is LGBTQ? what the heck? Does this mean the next generation of lawyers will have an extra helping of crazy? Never mind, I don’t want to know. But what i do find interesting is that that question is being asked of the students and that so many are answering “Yes” to it. I would leave it blank out of principle.

    I wonder if this group is getting AA as well. Are they also getting their own study groups and separate dorms?

  100. @wrd9
    They most certainly have found ways to run around the color blind mandate via the "holistic" process. Here's a NYT article from 2007 that's rather blatant about the run around for UCLA.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    wrd9:

    Thanks for forwarding the New York Times article. It once again proves the duplicity of the academic class.

  101. @Dan Hayes
    Triumph104:

    While both the Universities of California Berkeley and Michigan have state laws prohibiting race considerations in admission decisions, I thought that there were sleight-of-hand ways of doing so, e.g. holistic considerations.

    I hope that I am wrong and things are done above board.

    The New York Times wrote a 2013 article on the holistic undergraduate admissions process that UC Berkeley uses to skirt around the affirmative action ban. It appears that their law school is employing some of the same tricks.

    Recently, the University of Michigan bragged that it increased the percentage of blacks in an entering freshmen class. The university actually admitted that the size of the freshman class was cut and no one was admitted off the waitlist that year since most people on the waitlist were white or Asian. Michigan’s law school may soon follow suit.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/education/edlife/lifting-the-veil-on-the-holistic-process-at-the-university-of-california-berkeley.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/us/affirmative-action-supreme-court-michigan.html

  102. Hey, at least she didn’t get nerve gassed.

  103. @stillCARealist
    I can tell you with absolute certainty that if you have a high credit score you will pay your rent on time. If you have a low score, you will be late and require hounding. Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble... kid out of wedlock, chronic unemployment, alcohol abuse, gambling, no self-control.

    It's like all this stuff is connected somehow.

    Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble…

    It’s like all this stuff is connected somehow.

    Exactly.

    Credit reports, like law school grades, are confidential for the privacy of individuals, but there is no reason why the averages for demographic cohorts can’t be studied and published.

    As you imply, the results would be the same.

    These are examples of cases in which professionals like law professors and lenders notice things and know what otherwise are state secrets.

  104. @Pericles

    This widespread reluctance on the realist right to acknowledge that Obama is very intelligent is not a good look for self-styled “noticers.”

     

    I dunno, Obama just doesn't seem that smart to me. What would you estimate his IQ to be? His math SAT? Would you say he has a higher IQ than Trump?

    This. Obama has never even tried to succeed in the real world. He was born into a Mandarin family and has been public sector/academia plus affirmative action since then. His smart guy act is tailored to the TED/SXSW subculture and there’s nothing disingenuous about calling him on it.
    Now go back and reread what I wrote, inserting random pauses and little “uh”s, as though I was a deep thinker just coming up with this. Does that make it sound smarter, or lazy?

  105. @Twinkie

    About 88 percent of all law students pass a bar exam on the first attempt; 95 percent pass eventually. For blacks, the corresponding figures are 61 percent and 78 percent.
     
    You think that's bad? Try Board passing rates for recently graduated physicians.

    At least lawyers don't kill people (directly). Incompetent doctors do.

    Nothing screams MISMATCH like the number of blacks 1) who gain admission to medical schools (usually through affirmative action), 2) who graduate (inflated/pity-grading by profs) and 3) TADA! Board certification step 1 and 2 results. UH OH!

    A sizable local medical corporation, with which I am familiar, had to fire ALL the black doctors in select (difficult) specialties some years ago. Why? Because, the credentialing hospitals in the area - by policy - require "Board-eligible" status, followed after a suitable time frame by "Board-certified" status. Otherwise, doctors do not get credentialing to practice at these hospitals.

    Well, despite being given extra time off, subsidies for prepping, etc. etc., EVERY SINGLE black "Board-eligible" doctor in these specialties at this corporation failed to pass - repeatedly. Oooops. All had to be let go, because they weren't allowed to be credentialed and work at the local hospitals.

    I just hate "affirmative action" with a passion. It distorts so much of academia and professional life. As I mentioned before several times, I prefer an elite stratum that cares about the rest of the country and has noblesse oblige (used to be called "patriotism"), but if we can't have that, at least give me a genuinely meritocratic elite, not one cobbled together with social engineering attempts.

    This year (2017), 21,338 students entered medical school for the first time. Of these, 1,775 identified themselves as Black or African American. Thus, Blacks made up 8.3 percent of new entrants to U.S. medical schools. This was down slightly from 2016, although the actual number of African American matriculants increased by four compared to 2016.

    Just four years ago in 2013, there were just 1,396 Black who entered medical school. Therefore, over the four-year period, the number of new entrants to medical schools who identified as Black or African American increased by 27 percent. In 2013, Blacks were 7.0 percent of all new entrants to medical schools.

    https://www.jbhe.com/2017/12/a-checkup-on-african-american-students-entering-u-s-medical-schools/

    • Replies: @Ed
    Recent MacArthur Fellow, Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote a NYT article a few years ago about the % of Black doctors being the same now as in the 70s and that the number of black men entering medical school is actually fewer than it was in the 70s.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/magazine/a-prescription-for-more-black-doctors.amp.html


    Just 515 black men entered medical school last year. Even though the nation’s black population is much larger now, that number is 27 fewer than the 542 black men who went to medical school in 1978.
     
    Which reminded me of something Buckley said in a debate with Baldwin, that the # of Black doctors was the same in the 60s as it was in 1900.

    https://youtu.be/oFeoS41xe7w
  106. My son (also named James) will be entering college in the fall. He is interested in serving in the military for a while. He is a skilled sailor and was thinking about the Coast Guard.

    He was surprised to discover that they do not have an ROTC Program. They have something called the COLLEGE STUDENT PRE-COMMISSIONING INITIATIVE.

    https://www.gocoastguard.com/active-duty-careers/officer-opportunities/programs/college-student-pre-commissioning-initiative

    It seemed like a good program and something that he might be interested in, until we discovered that only students from a very restricted number of colleges are eligible to participate.

    Education:
    ​​Be a sophomore or junior undergraduate student enrolled, accepted for enrollment or pending acceptance (if accepted, acceptance letter must be submitted prior to beginning CSPI) in a full-time Bachelors degree program at an accredited college or university designated as a Minority Serving Institute (MSI).

    Historically Black Colleges and Universities

    Predominantly Black Institutions

    Hispanic Serving Institutions

    Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-Serving Institutions

    American Indian Tribally Controlled Colleges and Universities

    Alaska [& Hawaii] Native Serving Institutions

    Native American Serving, Non-Tribal Institutions

    Colleges with a minority student population averaging at least 50% of the total student enrollment

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority-serving_institution

    There are about 5,300 colleges and universities in USA.

    Historically Black Colleges and Universities
    about 106
    Predominantly Black Institutions
    Unknown
    Hispanic Serving Institutions
    about 250
    Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-Serving Institutions
    about 132
    American Indian Tribally Controlled Colleges and Universities
    about 32
    Alaska [& Hawaii] Native Serving Institutions
    about 4
    Native American Serving, Non-Tribal Institutions
    Unknown
    Colleges with aminority student population averaging at least 50% of the total student enrollment
    Unknown

    I don’t believe that the total number of colleges from which students can participate in this CG program can be more than about 25% of all USA colleges, and almost all of these will be in the southern third of the USA.

    This seems like a very discriminatory program to me.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    It is not discriminatory at all. No one is barring your son from enrolling in those schools.

    The Asian American serving colleges include the University of Maryland College Park, the University of Massachusetts Boston, the University of Illinois at Chicago, and CUNY.

    https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

    https://www2.ed.gov/about/inits/list/asian-americans-initiative/potentially-eligible.pdf
  107. @Hank Archer
    My son (also named James) will be entering college in the fall. He is interested in serving in the military for a while. He is a skilled sailor and was thinking about the Coast Guard.

    He was surprised to discover that they do not have an ROTC Program. They have something called the COLLEGE STUDENT PRE-COMMISSIONING INITIATIVE.

    https://www.gocoastguard.com/active-duty-careers/officer-opportunities/programs/college-student-pre-commissioning-initiative

    It seemed like a good program and something that he might be interested in, until we discovered that only students from a very restricted number of colleges are eligible to participate.


    Education:
    ​​Be a sophomore or junior undergraduate student enrolled, accepted for enrollment or pending acceptance (if accepted, acceptance letter must be submitted prior to beginning CSPI) in a full-time Bachelors degree program at an accredited college or university designated as a Minority Serving Institute (MSI).

    Historically Black Colleges and Universities

    Predominantly Black Institutions

    Hispanic Serving Institutions

    Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-Serving Institutions

    American Indian Tribally Controlled Colleges and Universities

    Alaska [& Hawaii] Native Serving Institutions

    Native American Serving, Non-Tribal Institutions

    Colleges with a minority student population averaging at least 50% of the total student enrollment


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority-serving_institution

    There are about 5,300 colleges and universities in USA.

    Historically Black Colleges and Universities
    about 106
    Predominantly Black Institutions
    Unknown
    Hispanic Serving Institutions
    about 250
    Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-Serving Institutions
    about 132
    American Indian Tribally Controlled Colleges and Universities
    about 32
    Alaska [& Hawaii] Native Serving Institutions
    about 4
    Native American Serving, Non-Tribal Institutions
    Unknown
    Colleges with aminority student population averaging at least 50% of the total student enrollment
    Unknown

    I don't believe that the total number of colleges from which students can participate in this CG program can be more than about 25% of all USA colleges, and almost all of these will be in the southern third of the USA.

    This seems like a very discriminatory program to me.

    It is not discriminatory at all. No one is barring your son from enrolling in those schools.

    The Asian American serving colleges include the University of Maryland College Park, the University of Massachusetts Boston, the University of Illinois at Chicago, and CUNY.

    https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

    https://www2.ed.gov/about/inits/list/asian-americans-initiative/potentially-eligible.pdf

  108. @Pericles

    a B.S. summa cum laude in molecular biophysics and biochemistry from Yale, a Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology at Oxford, an M.D. cum laude with distinction in neuroscience from Harvard

     

    Honestly, she seems like a bit of a tryhard to me.

    an M.D. cum laude with distinction

    I once knew a dermatologist lady who was like that.

  109. @wrd9
    They most certainly have found ways to run around the color blind mandate via the "holistic" process. Here's a NYT article from 2007 that's rather blatant about the run around for UCLA.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    To be truly meritocratic, a college must be diverse — or else accept that some groups in society have less merit than others and their underrepresentation can’t be helped.

    According to the New York Times, meritocracy = diversity. Glad that’s solved!

  110. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/danielnazer/status/974025271706701825

    She might be able to avoid criminal penalties from the SEC or other financial agencies because her investors are considered private, not public.

    The thinking is private people should do their due diligence. Unless she pulled off some Madoff type scheme she should be in the clear.

  111. Ed says:
    @Triumph104

    This year (2017), 21,338 students entered medical school for the first time. Of these, 1,775 identified themselves as Black or African American. Thus, Blacks made up 8.3 percent of new entrants to U.S. medical schools. This was down slightly from 2016, although the actual number of African American matriculants increased by four compared to 2016.

    Just four years ago in 2013, there were just 1,396 Black who entered medical school. Therefore, over the four-year period, the number of new entrants to medical schools who identified as Black or African American increased by 27 percent. In 2013, Blacks were 7.0 percent of all new entrants to medical schools.
     
    https://www.jbhe.com/2017/12/a-checkup-on-african-american-students-entering-u-s-medical-schools/

    Recent MacArthur Fellow, Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote a NYT article a few years ago about the % of Black doctors being the same now as in the 70s and that the number of black men entering medical school is actually fewer than it was in the 70s.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/magazine/a-prescription-for-more-black-doctors.amp.html

    Just 515 black men entered medical school last year. Even though the nation’s black population is much larger now, that number is 27 fewer than the 542 black men who went to medical school in 1978.

    Which reminded me of something Buckley said in a debate with Baldwin, that the # of Black doctors was the same in the 60s as it was in 1900.

  112. @Reg Cæsar

    Professor Sander’s study tests a simple, but startling, thesis: Affirmative action actually depresses the number of black lawyers, because many black students end up attending law schools that are too difficult for them, and perform badly. …
     
    Those of us who bothered to read Thomas Sowell forty years ago are only "startled" by how long it took someone to say this out loud.

    Of course you already know this, Reg, but it is ironic that Sowell spent the last four decades at the Hoover Institution on Stanford’s campus, where, I am sure, he saw daily the “mismatch” problem writ large, and I am sure he knew lots of law school professors who talked of such things.

  113. @stillCARealist
    I can tell you with absolute certainty that if you have a high credit score you will pay your rent on time. If you have a low score, you will be late and require hounding. Also, that low score will predict all sorts of life trouble... kid out of wedlock, chronic unemployment, alcohol abuse, gambling, no self-control.

    It's like all this stuff is connected somehow.

    I self-manage my one rental property, but when I have a rental vacancy, I use a real estate agent to advertise and screen new rental applicants. The screen includes a full credit check; and, you’re correct. I mostly rely on the applicants’ credit scores to decide on a new tenant. A real estate agent can get access to the three credit bureaus. I’m not defined as a real estate professional, so I cannot get direct access to rental applicants’ credit scores.

  114. If you got accepted to Penn (in downtown Philly) and to Stanford (on 12 square miles in Silicon Valley), which one would you choose?

    Minor point, but Penn is not in downtown Philadelphia (i.e., Center City). It is in West Philly, specifically the portion of West Philadelphia that is often called University City (thanks to Penn). In my experience, nobody living in the Philadelphia area ever referred to West Philadelphia as part of downtown Philly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I don't think anyone familiar with Philly would ever use the term "downtown Philly" at all. They'll say "Center City", and from a semantic standpoint this term is pro-SJW, pro-globalist, pro-corporate, pro-gentrification. It doesn't matter what you think.
  115. @Jimi
    If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax.

    @6 Jimi: “If there is a Supreme Court vacancy, Trump should nominate Amy Wax.”

    Why, for telling the truth? How is that any different from granting a full academic ride to a Negro who treats a White like a human being?

    Besides, surely 4 out of 12 is a sufficient number of Jews in America’s group of unelected lifelong oligarchs. Or would you rather we simply renamed it the Sanhedrin in fact?

  116. I guess talking to Glenn Loury while white is riskier than driving while black. His show, especially his regular chats with John McWhorter, is a refreshing source of real talk on race issues.

  117. @RudyM

    If you got accepted to Penn (in downtown Philly) and to Stanford (on 12 square miles in Silicon Valley), which one would you choose?
     
    Minor point, but Penn is not in downtown Philadelphia (i.e., Center City). It is in West Philly, specifically the portion of West Philadelphia that is often called University City (thanks to Penn). In my experience, nobody living in the Philadelphia area ever referred to West Philadelphia as part of downtown Philly.

    I don’t think anyone familiar with Philly would ever use the term “downtown Philly” at all. They’ll say “Center City”, and from a semantic standpoint this term is pro-SJW, pro-globalist, pro-corporate, pro-gentrification. It doesn’t matter what you think.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    This guy certainly preferred California to West Philadelphia (where, he'll have you know, he was born and raised).
  118. @Anonymous
    I don't think anyone familiar with Philly would ever use the term "downtown Philly" at all. They'll say "Center City", and from a semantic standpoint this term is pro-SJW, pro-globalist, pro-corporate, pro-gentrification. It doesn't matter what you think.

    This guy certainly preferred California to West Philadelphia (where, he’ll have you know, he was born and raised).

  119. @Dave Pinsen
    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it's physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.

    Affirmative action in any life-or-death job, whether it’s physician, nurse, cop, civil engineer, etc. is immoral.

    Let me fix that for you: Affirmative action is immoral.

  120. @the Supreme Gentleman
    Twinkie, apropos of nothing, I just wanted to note that, ever since Steve reposted your hilarious satirical description of the United Airlines brouhaha, I typically find your contributions to the UR comments sections to be among the most valuable. (I wish to mention this because "commenting/arguing about politics on the internet" typically seems like some sort of self-imposed Augean/Sisyphean fool's labor, so for whatever it's worth I personally enjoy reading your comments.)

    I appreciate the kind words.

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