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With the steady rise in political violence by masked leftists, America needs Canada’s state of the art anti-mask laws to prevent thugs from rendering themselves opaque to cameras. From Wikipedia:

After several high-profile protests, the Canadian Parliament introduced Bill C-309, which bans the wearing of masks during a riot or other unlawful assembly.[8][9] The bill became law on June 19, 2013.[10] Those convicted of it face up to 10 years in prison.[11]

Canada’s Criminal code, Section 351(2), also covers “Disguise with Intent”, whereby “Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years”. With some exceptions, an indictable offence in Canada is one that is subject to a fine of greater than $5,000 or imprisonment of more than six months.

 
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  1. We could use an anti-headscarf law also, like the one the French won’t enforce, only with teeth. It would let people know who’s welcome and who isn’t.

    Though we’d need an exception for authentic organic American Moslems (NOI).

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    No exceptions.
    , @Neoconned
    Call me a paranoid privacy freak but we need to cut the shit and admit we're already a police state and a weird sort of decentralized oligarchy. I guess like a federated oligarchy, or something.

    This is just another excuse/reason/whatever to allow cameras everywhere and into everything.

    Not that I have something to hide but Big Brother scares me more than some idiots burning a commercial district in a big city I've never been to.
  2. • Replies: @Autochthon
    Quite so. Review the Soviet Union's laws regarding civil rights; that place made Galt's Gulch look like a totalitarian dictatorship. On paper.

    The problem is not the legislature, it's the executive. All the statutes in the world mean nothing if unenforced. I was in San José when the (brown) police stood with their thumbs in their asses while (white) women were assaulted in the streets before their very eyes. (I was not present at the actual events, or I'd have doubtless been jailed for defending the victims myself.)

    Illegal aliens stand around in front of Home Depots and everyone knows it, but no one arrests them. Hell, they brag about being illegal aliens on national television; they work for people like Hillary Clinton, the then federal secretary of state (i.e., the executive!).

    More laws are not needed. Enforcement of existing laws is what is lacking.

    , @Eagle Eye
    What we need is not more substantive laws, but a simple PROCEDURAL change: PRIVATE PROSECUTION of criminal offences by regular citizens. This is comparable to the "private attorney general" doctrine for civil cases which the "real" attorney general could have but declines to bring.

    Private prosecution was traditionally part of the Common Law. Of course, the Left hates any derogation from total government power in its enlightened hands and has worked hard to abolish private prosecutions on the sly where it could:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution

    Naturally, there need to be adequate safeguards including cost awards, advance posting of security and independent judicial supervision (as in all criminal cases) to protect innocent citizens from being railroaded by busybodies.

    Long term, the chance that ANY criminal statute may be enforced by private citizens should help to stem the proliferation of junk laws being piled onto our overcrowded statute books.

    RELATED POINT: Our legal systems should also embody much more DIVERSITY. Why is there only one trial court system and one district attorney in each county? Would it not be better to have, say, three or seven competing systems, with cases being allocated at random or by consent of the parties?

  3. What happens if you’re wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you’re wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Simple. If a citizen shoots someone who is wearing a mask, add that fact to the presumption that they rightly believed their well-being was in immediate danger.

    The wearing of a mask need not be illegal. Just make wearing a mask on every day other than Oct. 31st a Very Unsafe Practice.

    /grin
    , @Bill B.
    Sorry, that is silly. Someone who wishes to make a political protest won't show their face?

    Don't we dislike the Muslim female face covering because it subtracts from human intercourse, including the ability to 'read' an interlocutor?
    , @syonredux

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.
     
    You mean SJWs who want to harass White-Anglo-Hetero-Cis men?
    , @Anonym
    What happens if you’re wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you’re wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I'm picturing with some amusement the dance scene from the Labrynth, or Eyes Wide Shut. At least in EWS the police commissioner is in attendence and it's at some out of the way estate, so you are probably safe.

    But seriously if I wanted to attend an event to protest immigration it would probably be wise to be masked, knowing leftists.

    , @Terrell Perry
    If a riot breaks out, take off the mask.
    , @TWS
    The next time you find a decent person doing that let me know.
    , @J1234
    I agree with melendwyr. These are the kind of laws that come back to bite you. It's kind of like banning rebel flags.
  4. OT/ Shorter Brooks: “It’s getting difficult to manufacture consent for invade the world/invite the world”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/opinion/after-the-womens-march.html

    • Agree: anonguy
  5. Most states actually already have such laws, making it illegal to wear a mask with the intent of evading law enforcement or concealing one’s identity. They originated for dealing with the Ku Klux Klan. http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws#United_States

    A lot depends on whether you’ve got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges. An example of a possible recent sea change would be that anti-Trump rioters in DC from last Friday are facing potentially serious federal felony rioting charges now.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl, TWS
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Exactly. Just as armies often train to fight the last war, Leftists are resurrecting tactics that worked 40-50 years ago. I think they will be spectacularly disappointed with the effect. This time I fully anticipate their tactics will drive people dramatically to the Right, and the public will sanction violent, punitive suppression of these clowns.
    , @Robert Hume
    And I wonder if the reason they're being prosecuted for this crime is because they're white. I don't remember any blacks participating in a riot being prosecuted. Even if they weren't wearing a mask.
    , @Eagle Eye

    A lot depends on whether you’ve got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges.
     
    Answer is PRIVATE PROSECUTIONS. See detailed comment above.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution
  6. Many states with such laws, DC’s are particularly strong I believe, you can’t wear them at all for almost any reason in public I think

    • Replies: @123
    Correct. Nobody over age 15 (IIRC) is allowed to wear a mask on streets/public property in DC.

    Enforcement is another issue.
  7. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    They can take my Venetian-style orgies when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law."

    When ritual human-sacrifice orgies are outlawed, only outlaws will conduct ritual human-sacrifice orgies. And the Illuminati, of course
  8. Eh, I don’t get it.

    Rules for maximizing one’s safety:
    1. Don’t go stupid places
    2. Don’t hang with stupid people
    3. Don’t do stupid things

    Showing up to a mass demonstration violates all three, so I don’t do it.

    On the other hand, those who might be inclined to go ANYWHERE in the USA while wearing a mask (unless the wind chill is below 10 deg F) should consider that concealed carry of firearms is now quite common, and many people who carry guns for self-protection are undoubtedly primed to see a masked person as a likely robber.

    Masked robbers are actually a trend, and they court the same treatment as this sorry miscreant: http://www.wifr.com/content/news/Rockford-Police-and-Fire-on-scene-of-armed-robbery-at-Alpine-Bank-411363285.html

    Many folks I know would respond to seeing a masked person by pointing a loaded gun at that person’s chest or masked face. I applaud this.

    By the same token, those same folks, if accidentally caught in the middle of a mass demonstration and threatened with violence by a group of masked people, would shoot them.

    The Left is trying to resurrect mass violence as a means to extort the public. It worked in the 1960′s. I think it will backfire spectacularly this time around, and the Bill Ayers of the world will end up doing life in prison or pushing up daisies.

    • Replies: @Sean
    Taking a concealed firearm to a confrontational demonstration in the knowledge you can inveigle someone into attacking you and shoot them without coming under fire from half a dozen guns is something that can only work once. The Greensboro massacre was started when someone, unclear on what side, fired a gun.
    , @Sarah Toga
    Cost - Benefit
    Make the cost high enough and most followers will scatter. Making the cost high enough includes going undercover inside the NGO's that spread cash to these rent-a-mobs, catch them breaking laws, take them down like taking down Al Capone and the mob for whatever tax evasion, etc., they violate. The leaders will delegate assault to their idiot followers who will take the rap for violence.

    The ideologue leaders may persist as they may have their separate cash sources. Need to find ways to pinch their leaders. That will also scatter the followers.

    Take away the benefits - includes shutting down the bag-men and payoffs. Also close down the imported-democrat-voters-pipeline of mass immigration. Takes away their source of gaming the election system.

    Would like to see suggestions of other ways to put the screws to the bad guys - now that we have a leader who leads the fight back.

    Thank you President Trump! Soon AG Jeff Sessions will be actually enforcing law. Our team is growing, gaining strength.
  9. “With the steady rise in political violence by masked leftists…”

    Rewritten for clarity and accuracy–With the steady rise in political violence by masked leftists who represent the Coalition of the Left Fringe, this particular group does not represent the inherent intentions, nor ought to characterize the general sentiments, of those individuals exercising their liberty to freedom of assembly to protest against the Trump Administration. Thus, this minority group, that being “masked leftists”, ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law whenever they engage in overt acts of violence against their fellow Americans.http:

    #All Your False News Stories Are Belong To Us

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Agreed.

    Protest: okay.
    Violent protest: punished.
    Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a "demonstration" is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime.
  10. Although I’d like to see the bastards rot in jail, I am at heart a small government guy.

    Asking for a mask law sounds good at first, but then it seems like just another crack in our crumbling wall of defence against government — another rip in The Bill of Rights.

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later, so you miss a few, but that’s the price of liberty.

    • Agree: Cletus Rothschild
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot? Yes, I know, if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later.
     
    If they're violent, just shoot them.

    So you miss a few. That’s the price of liberty.
     
    Use of good optical sights will minimize misses.
    , @celt darnell
    I fully agree with you. This idea of "wearing a mask" as an offence can be extended in illiberal ways. It's cold outside so you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth -- guess what? You're wearing a mask. Better hope you're nowhere near any trouble, even if you have nothing to do with it.

    Arrest the rioters on the spot -- masked or not.

    And yes, send them to jail for a proper length of time.
    , @IndieRafael
    Well said. There are enough laws to enforce if law enforcement and prosecutors have the will. If not, then adding another law (at possible cost to civil liberties) seems unnecessary. Also, greater use of public name and shame would be a powerful deterrent to some.
    , @Alec Leamas

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later, so you miss a few, but that’s the price of liberty.
     
    From a practical perspective, the issue is that if lots of people are masked (and in this instance, wearing the same fashion of mask) you can't identify who did what in furterance of the riot and who was a bystander sufficient to prosecute any one of them without informants.
  11. @Thomas
    Most states actually already have such laws, making it illegal to wear a mask with the intent of evading law enforcement or concealing one's identity. They originated for dealing with the Ku Klux Klan. http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws#United_States

    A lot depends on whether you've got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges. An example of a possible recent sea change would be that anti-Trump rioters in DC from last Friday are facing potentially serious federal felony rioting charges now.

    Exactly. Just as armies often train to fight the last war, Leftists are resurrecting tactics that worked 40-50 years ago. I think they will be spectacularly disappointed with the effect. This time I fully anticipate their tactics will drive people dramatically to the Right, and the public will sanction violent, punitive suppression of these clowns.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    Although I'd like to see the bastards rot in jail, I am at heart a small government guy.

    Asking for a mask law sounds good at first, but then it seems like just another crack in our crumbling wall of defence against government -- another rip in The Bill of Rights.

    Wouldn't it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can't identify them you can't find them later, so you miss a few, but that's the price of liberty.

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot? Yes, I know, if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later.

    If they’re violent, just shoot them.

    So you miss a few. That’s the price of liberty.

    Use of good optical sights will minimize misses.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    "Who was that masked man?"
    "Mistah Kurtz, he dead."
  13. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Hmm ... probably about the only three black guys in Vermont are all involved in a murder: one as shooter, one as victim, and one as witness. Gosh, what are the chances?

    /naïveté

    And the whole incident was started by the shooter's diminutive white chick girlfriend, so fortunately there will be a way to blame this on white people, so long as white women remain willing to take another hit on behalf of the Rainbow Coalition.
  14. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    Simple. If a citizen shoots someone who is wearing a mask, add that fact to the presumption that they rightly believed their well-being was in immediate danger.

    The wearing of a mask need not be illegal. Just make wearing a mask on every day other than Oct. 31st a Very Unsafe Practice.

    /grin

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    Jeff Cooper put it best:

    "I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as 'ninja' ... Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view."
     
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    For black bloc drama queens, Every Day Is Halloween. I predict much drama.
  15. @Corvinus
    "With the steady rise in political violence by masked leftists..."

    Rewritten for clarity and accuracy--With the steady rise in political violence by masked leftists who represent the Coalition of the Left Fringe, this particular group does not represent the inherent intentions, nor ought to characterize the general sentiments, of those individuals exercising their liberty to freedom of assembly to protest against the Trump Administration. Thus, this minority group, that being "masked leftists", ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law whenever they engage in overt acts of violence against their fellow Americans.http:

    #All Your False News Stories Are Belong To Us

    Agreed.

    Protest: okay.
    Violent protest: punished.
    Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime."

    Bringing AND wearing that mask, indeed.

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s illegal to wear a mask in D.C. Yet during the Inauguration I saw skinny, wimpy white boy with mop tops wearing bandanas and other masks over their faces walking right past MPD cops, Capitol Police, Park Police, et al., and nothing was done. Laws are only worthwhile if you can police them. Trump promised law and order so Sessions needs to enforce the federal Anti-Riot Act. I’m sure these wimpy young white boys will love the Darwinistic-anarchic federal correction facilities.

    Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons assembled in a group of at least three people. Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. According to 18 USCS § 2102 “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”,

    And arrest that evil old fucker Soros!

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    How is "act of violence" defined?
  17. This reeks of a desire to fight crime, which has troubling racist overtones.

  18. It is a felony in Louisiana (with an exception in the statute for Mardi Gras) and most southern states dating back to reconstruction.

    http://law.justia.com/codes/louisiana/2011/rs/title14/rs14-313

  19. Yeah that’s already on the books in DC. You’re not allowed to wear a mask in the President’s backyard. It would be interesting to get an answer out of the comish on that though, how strictly that is being enforced these days, like when it’s cold outside and ski masks come out or whatever.

    That V for Vendetta mask, man, those folks are asking to be arrested, they WANT to be martyrs. But the Irish in me knows, that not always ought you make martyrs out the ones who invite martyrdom—they might have speeches well prepared. Plus right about now it looks like Team Trump has decided to provoke the majority of voters by ham-handedly propaganda and manufacturing false realities, regarding the popularity of the Donald at his inauguration and at his address to the CIA. Prebus or Spicer or one of them really effed up when they said something about their “alternative facts.”

    Oh boy. Alternative facts. That is rather uncanny.

  20. OT, but I’ve been thinking about the women’s march . It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn’t take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    OT, but I’ve been thinking about the women’s march . It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.
     
    While your comment is well thought, it may miss the point.

    Read From Yin to Yang, by Israel Shamir, at the top of Unz right now. Though that essay might be a little over-the-top (and under-the-crotch) in its armchair semiotic analysis, it brings to mind the reality that the Pussy Marches were controlled by The Man Behind the Curtain. This is generally true of what the Left does, particulary now as the Powers That Be react to our election of President Trump.

    Whatever the marching Pussy Women are feeling, they are useful idiots manipulated by our overlords in an attempt to undermine US. The pink, female feelings are just a place for a wedge to begin splitting the country.

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    You are totally right about the march being in large measure about Hillary's loss. I asked a friend why she went to the march and she said "It wasn't really about HRC" even though I hadn't suggested that.
    , @27 year old
    The whole thing was really tacky and gross. I saw people on facebook who posted pictures of their infant/toddler daughters wearing "pussy hats". That's creepy to say the least.

    Speaking of the hats, I think it's pretty funny that the radical feminist shindig featured at its heart a huge knitting effort. Even when trying to smash the patriarchy they are doing a traditionally feminine ("stereotypical", "evil 1950s", "oppressed") activity.

    About the masks, my wife upon seeing the protest videos said "isn't it illegal to wear a mask like that? They're obviously up to no good."
    , @CK
    Women want their problems "talked about."
    Solutions are unwanted.
    It's feelz all the way.
    Donald's observation about women and their response to
    powerful men was spot on.
    Kissinger noted the same thing 40 years ago.
    The old testament noted the same thing 2000+ years ago.
    , @27 year old
    > [the women's March] really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit

    That's what basically all female involvement in politics boils down to. I think this could be right up there alongside the law of female journalism: "it's pretty much just a hissy fit".

    >They feel disrespected because

    ...because nobody respects them. They're mostly unattractive and unfeminine. They generally don't have kids. Most are slutty (don't even respect themselves). They are not deserving of respect for the most part.
    , @Jefferson
    "Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected"

    40 percent of American women are obese, so I am not surprised a lot of them will ride or die for Rosie O'Donnell in her Twitter war against Donald J. Trump.
    , @Abe

    It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.
     
    And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain't white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). And I'm sure Clinton-pal Jack Nicholson never goes in for the sort of degrading "locker room talk" Donald Trump was slammed for, given that Nicholson's a 59+ year old man who knows better (the most infuriating part of Her Majesty's entire psy-ops campaign for me was when those two choades on SNL's Weekly Update news program claimed that as healthy, young, successful men, they would never talk about women that way- it was like one of Stalin's show trails where in addition to confessing to being a wrecker, the victim also had to admit to being a sexual pervert- or in this case, a mewling sack-less wonder pajama boy).

    I hear what you're saying, but nothing is going to come of this. News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm... foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing...

    , @unpc downunder
    There's certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn't going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I've talked to think he's a bit of an a-hole. However, as Buzz points out these marches go beyond sexism concerns. It's about showing power and uniting on the liberal left.
    Trump's election is unleashing (or revealing) a lot of ideological anarchy and the left is worried that the rainbow alliance against white males may start to splinter.

    I've noticed that my left-liberal sister is quite muted on Trump and doesn't really know what to make of him. A year ago she was protesting against the TPP and now some brash American businessman has come along and struck it down with 48 hours of coming into office.

    , @Jason Liu
    That's pretty much what all feminism is

    Trump isn't even an actual misogynist by traditional standards, these are just some very delicate women
    , @Sabrl
    To me, it smacks of Soros. Women's rights is just the Trojan Horse for globalism.
    , @guest
    If any group in the world has reason not to believe their resentment is not being registered or that they aren't taken seriously, it's women. They spend most of their time being taken too seriously and registering too much resentment.

    Every day of their lives is an episode of Real Housewives, blasting their feelings over all and sundry. Making sure every little thing that pops into their heads is registered in stone in everyone else's memory.

    , @guest
    Pussygate was just the most famous thing. I wouldn't read too much into how women feel about it. It's more they don't like Trump instinctively and seek about for reasons than this reason jumped out at then and made them hate Trump. Plus, these things are heavily organized, and no doubt the sane people who thought it would land well in the campaign put it out there as an advertising slogan.

    That being said, it does speak to something deep inside the modern female psyche. They really, really don't "get" alpha males, unless they're right there in front of them.
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The march seemed more like an act of mass catharsis for a feelz demographic that is immune to logic. They had their bubble burst in the debates when Juanita Broaddrick et al showed up to highlight HRC's and Democratic party complacence with, even enablement of Bill's preying upon women. So the whole "women's dignity" thing has been shown to be a partisan charade. Strong is the cognitive dissonance among them. The harder core element of these parades were clearly not giving a whiff about equality. They have their eyes on a different prize: leftist hegemony & the ascendance of a majority minority coalition. Women's lib & environmentalism are just convenient fig leaves for now.
  21. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    Sorry, that is silly. Someone who wishes to make a political protest won’t show their face?

    Don’t we dislike the Muslim female face covering because it subtracts from human intercourse, including the ability to ‘read’ an interlocutor?

  22. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    OT, but I’ve been thinking about the women’s march . It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.

    While your comment is well thought, it may miss the point.

    Read From Yin to Yang, by Israel Shamir, at the top of Unz right now. Though that essay might be a little over-the-top (and under-the-crotch) in its armchair semiotic analysis, it brings to mind the reality that the Pussy Marches were controlled by The Man Behind the Curtain. This is generally true of what the Left does, particulary now as the Powers That Be react to our election of President Trump.

    Whatever the marching Pussy Women are feeling, they are useful idiots manipulated by our overlords in an attempt to undermine US. The pink, female feelings are just a place for a wedge to begin splitting the country.

  23. “Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years”.

    I’m sure some political administrations, future, foreign or otherwise would love to extend that to cover anonymous online posting of hatefacts.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    Already happening in much of Europe. No WiFi access without government ID, except, of course, for certain classes of persons.

    Very reasonable safeguard, purely to protect the public, you understand.

  24. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    You are totally right about the march being in large measure about Hillary’s loss. I asked a friend why she went to the march and she said “It wasn’t really about HRC” even though I hadn’t suggested that.

  25. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    The whole thing was really tacky and gross. I saw people on facebook who posted pictures of their infant/toddler daughters wearing “pussy hats”. That’s creepy to say the least.

    Speaking of the hats, I think it’s pretty funny that the radical feminist shindig featured at its heart a huge knitting effort. Even when trying to smash the patriarchy they are doing a traditionally feminine (“stereotypical”, “evil 1950s”, “oppressed”) activity.

    About the masks, my wife upon seeing the protest videos said “isn’t it illegal to wear a mask like that? They’re obviously up to no good.”

    • Replies: @Pericles

    I saw people on facebook who posted pictures of their infant/toddler daughters wearing “pussy hats”. That’s creepy to say the least.

     

    Caption: Last possible moment for a partial birth abortion!
  26. On topic.

    Michigan Man Whose Drug Sentence Commuted By Obama Is Shot Dead

    A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan after two men with assault-style rifles sought him out, police said.

    Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member. Lt. David Kaiser said Thomas was shot several times by one of the men as some of the roughly two dozen people at the home were held at gunpoint.

    • Replies: @inertial
    I blame widespread racism in the American poetic justice system.
  27. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    Women want their problems “talked about.”
    Solutions are unwanted.
    It’s feelz all the way.
    Donald’s observation about women and their response to
    powerful men was spot on.
    Kissinger noted the same thing 40 years ago.
    The old testament noted the same thing 2000+ years ago.

  28. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    > [the women's March] really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit

    That’s what basically all female involvement in politics boils down to. I think this could be right up there alongside the law of female journalism: “it’s pretty much just a hissy fit”.

    >They feel disrespected because

    …because nobody respects them. They’re mostly unattractive and unfeminine. They generally don’t have kids. Most are slutty (don’t even respect themselves). They are not deserving of respect for the most part.

  29. @inertial
    On topic.

    Michigan Man Whose Drug Sentence Commuted By Obama Is Shot Dead

    A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan after two men with assault-style rifles sought him out, police said.

    Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member. Lt. David Kaiser said Thomas was shot several times by one of the men as some of the roughly two dozen people at the home were held at gunpoint.
     

    I blame widespread racism in the American poetic justice system.

  30. How would this impact people who must shield their identities to avoid persecution for unpopular political views, such as support for President Trump?

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    “Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected”

    40 percent of American women are obese, so I am not surprised a lot of them will ride or die for Rosie O’Donnell in her Twitter war against Donald J. Trump.

  32. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.

    And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain’t white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). And I’m sure Clinton-pal Jack Nicholson never goes in for the sort of degrading “locker room talk” Donald Trump was slammed for, given that Nicholson’s a 59+ year old man who knows better (the most infuriating part of Her Majesty’s entire psy-ops campaign for me was when those two choades on SNL’s Weekly Update news program claimed that as healthy, young, successful men, they would never talk about women that way- it was like one of Stalin’s show trails where in addition to confessing to being a wrecker, the victim also had to admit to being a sexual pervert- or in this case, a mewling sack-less wonder pajama boy).

    I hear what you’re saying, but nothing is going to come of this. News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm… foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing…

    • Replies: @Pericles

    News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm… foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing…

     

    In short, it was a globalist manifestation.
    , @Jefferson
    "And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain’t white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). ?"

    Hoochie Mama is the type of rap song that women shake their asses to at night clubs. The very same women who claim Donald J. Trump violates their safe spaces.

    https://youtu.be/IITkbT1AErk
  33. I agree wholeheartedly.

    And the minute the Trump administration acts along those lines, the Libertarians – to the delight of all Leftists and street terrorists – will screech that Trump is indeed a fascist.

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    Although I'd like to see the bastards rot in jail, I am at heart a small government guy.

    Asking for a mask law sounds good at first, but then it seems like just another crack in our crumbling wall of defence against government -- another rip in The Bill of Rights.

    Wouldn't it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can't identify them you can't find them later, so you miss a few, but that's the price of liberty.

    I fully agree with you. This idea of “wearing a mask” as an offence can be extended in illiberal ways. It’s cold outside so you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth — guess what? You’re wearing a mask. Better hope you’re nowhere near any trouble, even if you have nothing to do with it.

    Arrest the rioters on the spot — masked or not.

    And yes, send them to jail for a proper length of time.

    • Replies: @Cletus Rothschild
    "This idea of “wearing a mask” as an offence can be extended in illiberal ways. It’s cold outside so you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth — guess what? You’re wearing a mask. Better hope you’re nowhere near any trouble, even if you have nothing to do with it."

    This was my first thought. No matter how well-intentioned a law may be, cops and prosecutors will twist it and use it in increase false arrests and imprisonments. Sort of like a guy who's arrested for drunk driving not because he actually drove his car, but because he had his keys in his pockets. Next thing you know, these tools will add a charge of transporting a mask across state lines to make damn sure that they can force people to accept a charge of SOMETHING just to avoid prison.
  35. Affordable family creation in Israel:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/01/24/israel-approves-2500-west-bank-homes-following-netanyahu-call-trump/

    Honestly some of the new settlement developments look crowded and dumpy. Israel should exchange some of its big beautiful wall builders for some of our exurban home developers now working at DR Horton and Lennar. Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.
     
    Very true. No one in my household really cares for the jetted tub, but I really miss the built-in computer data wiring we lost when we moved from our former post-millennium home to our current pre-millennium one. In theory wifi makes it an obsolete white elephant; in practice nothing beats a dedicated wire when doing remote desktop in your home office, or for smart home applications. However, pretty much since the 90's it's been impossible to find real wood in new construction, despite all the granite.
    , @Olorin
    And who's going to pay to air condition, and clean, and maintain all that Huge?

    Not much water there in Israel for the basics, never mind filling and cleaning "jetted bathtubs" or scrubbing all those manufactured surfaces.
    , @JohnnyGeo
    yeah but no yards
  36. @Veracitor

    Quite so. Review the Soviet Union’s laws regarding civil rights; that place made Galt’s Gulch look like a totalitarian dictatorship. On paper.

    The problem is not the legislature, it’s the executive. All the statutes in the world mean nothing if unenforced. I was in San José when the (brown) police stood with their thumbs in their asses while (white) women were assaulted in the streets before their very eyes. (I was not present at the actual events, or I’d have doubtless been jailed for defending the victims myself.)

    Illegal aliens stand around in front of Home Depots and everyone knows it, but no one arrests them. Hell, they brag about being illegal aliens on national television; they work for people like Hillary Clinton, the then federal secretary of state (i.e., the executive!).

    More laws are not needed. Enforcement of existing laws is what is lacking.

  37. Not a good idea. More and more cities are using facial recognition technology to identify and monitor dissidents, and it’s going to be used against us as much if not more than them.

  38. OT

    I wonder if he sent a thank you note to Obama:

    Michigan Man Whose Drug Sentence Commuted By Obama Is Shot Dead

    A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan…Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member…“One person watched over a group of them while another subject located the victim and executed him,”…“This was a very targeted individual, for whatever reason,”…

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Damn, I wonder what the story is behind that--clearly his enemies were waiting a long time for him on the outside, but couldn't get to him in prison.
  39. Actually I’d prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Out of control FUPA on the right there.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Can I ask that you put such stuff below the fold in future and have a big warning above the fold. Something that says: YOU REALLY CANNOT UNSEE THIS ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
    , @Autochthon
    My eyes! My eyes!
    , @Alden
    OMG!!!

    Guess she never read all those articles about how to dress to flatter your "body type"

    Looks like she didn't go to the Fat Fashions department. I believe she's wearing a normal size 18, the largest normal size.

    She needs the fat lady sizes. They are euphemistically called women's sizes
    They come in X, XX, and XXX.

    They are not just bigger normal clothes They have sleeves so big I could fit my normal body in them. The hems of the blouses are about 70 inches.

    She really needs to get herself to a fat lady shop. Obesity is a real boon to the textile industry with all the fabric needed.
    , @Anon
    Not a good sign for your health when you're wearing your butt backwards.

    God, this woman probably has a half-dozen hernias and doesn't even know it. Although she's fat, butt-gut is also a sign of having so many bad intestinal bacteria that your immune system goes berserk and starts attacking everything in sight, including your own cells. The bad bacteria excrete so much toxic waste that your intestines will swell up like an anaconda all the way from top to bottom just from the inflammation of your own immune system's reaction. She probably eats several pounds of sugar a day in some form or another.
    , @Anonym
    The struggle (against the icecream and soda) is real.
  40. Interesting idea, but where draw the line on what constitutes a “mask”?

    I once witnessed drag queens in San Francisco getting into a law-enforcement-requiring tizzy at City Hall. Can’t recall what specific Act Of Civil Disobedience this was, something rainbow no doubt.

    But it was by definition illegal, it did become violent, and it was in practice masked: they were all so heavily made up nobody knew who they were till the cold cream was handed around in city slam.

    Start passing laws against masks, then before you know it you have to escalate to heavy make-up (a kind of mask).

    Before you know it, it will be naturally beautiful white women mainly drawing the eye. And that’s a macroaggression.

    Of the libertarian, etc., wankers I know who think masked street violence is a capital idea, the majority look like the love children of Pajama Boy and Michael Moore. A few of the strutting antifa types look more like the issue of an aye-aye and a naked mole rat.

    Thus I concluded long ago that violent social/street drama with balaclavas, Vendetta Fawkes masks, etc., is therapy for their actual appearance and lack of desirability as mates.

    Quoth Julia:

    They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you’re happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?

  41. Does wearing a mask shaped like a va jay jay surrounding the face count?

  42. @Lot
    Affordable family creation in Israel:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/01/24/israel-approves-2500-west-bank-homes-following-netanyahu-call-trump/

    Honestly some of the new settlement developments look crowded and dumpy. Israel should exchange some of its big beautiful wall builders for some of our exurban home developers now working at DR Horton and Lennar. Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.

    Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.

    Very true. No one in my household really cares for the jetted tub, but I really miss the built-in computer data wiring we lost when we moved from our former post-millennium home to our current pre-millennium one. In theory wifi makes it an obsolete white elephant; in practice nothing beats a dedicated wire when doing remote desktop in your home office, or for smart home applications. However, pretty much since the 90′s it’s been impossible to find real wood in new construction, despite all the granite.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Here's a related article that is pretty interesting:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-23/these-luxury-real-estate-staples-may-be-gone-in-20-years
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Right. I wired all our new construction with Cat-5 back in 2000 and now run gigabit routers between machines (I do a lot of large file transfers) and the transfers are very very fast. It is great to see the Windows network meter up about 80%.
  43. Laws forbidding such things as wearing masks go against my libertarian streak.

    But I do think that the Hatch Act generally is more than reasonable: governmental employees must forgo certain types of political activities.

    As an egregious example, here’s a Secret Service employee who really should be fired:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814

    One of the consequences of the self-induced mass hysteria of the left is that they really do believe now that the usual rules of government and citizenship simply don’t apply to them anymore — because, of course, of Trump. They utterly lack the self-awareness to see that the justification for their flouting these rules is entirely in their own head — that, for example, there’s no rational path that gets you from Trump’s “grabbing p*ssy” comment to abandoning your duty as a Secret Service agent to protecting the President.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    Wow. Why does she still have a job?
    , @Anon
    I know the fitting punishment. Assign her to Hillary's security detail. After Hillary treats her like dirt enough times, she'll wise up. Every agrees that Hillary is horrible to work for if you're Secret Service. Supposed, HRC holds a grudge against them for sneaking Bill's chicks in for 'dates.' Better yet, if the agent really is a typical female in her reactions, we may not have to worry long about the cost of paying for Bill & Hill's retirement.
    , @NOTA
    Most government employees can write what they want on their own time, take part in protests, etc. But there are classes that can't. The SS lady should probably lose her job, because the last thing on Earth we need is for the SS to be getting involved in domestic politics.
  44. @candid_observer
    Laws forbidding such things as wearing masks go against my libertarian streak.

    But I do think that the Hatch Act generally is more than reasonable: governmental employees must forgo certain types of political activities.

    As an egregious example, here's a Secret Service employee who really should be fired:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814

    One of the consequences of the self-induced mass hysteria of the left is that they really do believe now that the usual rules of government and citizenship simply don't apply to them anymore -- because, of course, of Trump. They utterly lack the self-awareness to see that the justification for their flouting these rules is entirely in their own head -- that, for example, there's no rational path that gets you from Trump's "grabbing p*ssy" comment to abandoning your duty as a Secret Service agent to protecting the President.

    Wow. Why does she still have a job?

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    One word answer: "She"
    , @snorlax
    Devil's advocate: Most people don't know the primary role of the Secret Service is investigating counterfeiting of US currency, and the President's bodyguards are only a small fraction of the agency personnel and resources. It sounds like this woman has a desk job that's more on the counterfeiting side.

    Back to the angels: Go ahead and hound this woman out of a job; we need to take any chance we get to give the left a taste of their own medicine.

  45. @Lot
    Affordable family creation in Israel:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/01/24/israel-approves-2500-west-bank-homes-following-netanyahu-call-trump/

    Honestly some of the new settlement developments look crowded and dumpy. Israel should exchange some of its big beautiful wall builders for some of our exurban home developers now working at DR Horton and Lennar. Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.

    And who’s going to pay to air condition, and clean, and maintain all that Huge?

    Not much water there in Israel for the basics, never mind filling and cleaning “jetted bathtubs” or scrubbing all those manufactured surfaces.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Solar panels on the roof and desalinization plant on the coast.

    Elon Musk says Tesla's solar roof will cost the same as a normal one.
  46. After the relatively tame Vancouver 2011 Hockey Riot the VPD spent months with a fine tooth comb going over video footage, photographs and social media. Eventually about 300 people were charged for their actions during the riot.

    Does this happen in the States? I mean it would be real easy to find a picture on Facebook of DeShawntavius mugging for the camera next to a burning mailbox.

    Here’s the VPD exhaustive final report on the riot, with lots of good stuff to chew on.

    http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/reports-policies/vpd-riot-review.pdf

  47. @Thomas
    Most states actually already have such laws, making it illegal to wear a mask with the intent of evading law enforcement or concealing one's identity. They originated for dealing with the Ku Klux Klan. http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws#United_States

    A lot depends on whether you've got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges. An example of a possible recent sea change would be that anti-Trump rioters in DC from last Friday are facing potentially serious federal felony rioting charges now.

    And I wonder if the reason they’re being prosecuted for this crime is because they’re white. I don’t remember any blacks participating in a riot being prosecuted. Even if they weren’t wearing a mask.

  48. @jtgw
    Wow. Why does she still have a job?

    One word answer: “She”

  49. What if masked people say they constitute a New Identity?

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    Although I'd like to see the bastards rot in jail, I am at heart a small government guy.

    Asking for a mask law sounds good at first, but then it seems like just another crack in our crumbling wall of defence against government -- another rip in The Bill of Rights.

    Wouldn't it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can't identify them you can't find them later, so you miss a few, but that's the price of liberty.

    Well said. There are enough laws to enforce if law enforcement and prosecutors have the will. If not, then adding another law (at possible cost to civil liberties) seems unnecessary. Also, greater use of public name and shame would be a powerful deterrent to some.

  51. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    You mean SJWs who want to harass White-Anglo-Hetero-Cis men?

  52. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    There’s certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn’t going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I’ve talked to think he’s a bit of an a-hole. However, as Buzz points out these marches go beyond sexism concerns. It’s about showing power and uniting on the liberal left.
    Trump’s election is unleashing (or revealing) a lot of ideological anarchy and the left is worried that the rainbow alliance against white males may start to splinter.

    I’ve noticed that my left-liberal sister is quite muted on Trump and doesn’t really know what to make of him. A year ago she was protesting against the TPP and now some brash American businessman has come along and struck it down with 48 hours of coming into office.

    • Replies: @Abe

    There’s certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn’t going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I’ve talked to think he’s a bit of an a-hole.
     
    My niece, who's very church-y despite having all her kids out-of-wedlock (she lives with her common law "husband" if that is any consolation) did not like Hillary at all, but could not- publicly at least- bring herself to endorse Trump. The again, my down-n-out sister-in-law, whose socio-economic status would go up several notches if some Hell's Angel made her the biker-b!tch momma she was born to be- voted for Trump.

    Again, no need to worry too much about this, as it will almost certainly come to naught. Trump ALREADY won a majority of white women after a concerted, colluded psy-ops campaign against him, so barring any particularly egregious behavior in the White House, he has nowhere to go but up. Plus he has a very nice-looking family, and just the glam aspects of the Trump brand should start paying dividends soon.

    But above all, please remember most women are hostages and victims of the anti-white, anti-Western, anti-cishet mind control waves propagated by our totally POZ'd culture, and I am tired of the guys on here bashing them for something out of their control. When that white female Idaho DNC chair contender pleads that she "needs to be schooled" (I remember some white female activist from another story years ago using the exact same language- "I need to be educated!" in a tone that somehow combined both bossiness and abject humiliation) that is really a plea for help from you, yes, you- white man! It's like she's sending out Morse code with her eye flutters- "I'm trapped and I can't do anything because I don't want to be shamed or shunned or disliked, but I really hate what's happening. Help. Won't you man-up and please help?"
  53. (((Ari Paul))) has decided that the cowardly sneak attack on Richard Spencer was justified.

    http://observer.com/2017/01/do-punch-nazis-anti-semite-white-supremacist-richard-spencer/

    • Replies: @IndieRafael
    Fortunately, Observer also ran a well-argued counter piece today (http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/) in which Michael Malice says:

    One can’t fight a coarsening culture by ratcheting up the antagonism and aggression. Once violence becomes normalized as a means of political discourse, that on its face is a fascist society.... A nation where political assault is the norm is democracy at its crisis stage. There are far better ways to effect change, no matter how good they might feel.
     
  54. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    That’s pretty much what all feminism is

    Trump isn’t even an actual misogynist by traditional standards, these are just some very delicate women

  55. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    What happens if you’re wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you’re wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I’m picturing with some amusement the dance scene from the Labrynth, or Eyes Wide Shut. At least in EWS the police commissioner is in attendence and it’s at some out of the way estate, so you are probably safe.

    But seriously if I wanted to attend an event to protest immigration it would probably be wise to be masked, knowing leftists.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    But seriously if I wanted to attend an event to protest immigration it would probably be wise to be masked, knowing leftists.

    If you are protesting immigration, it would be wise to be masked to protect your job.
  56. Whatever the law, Trump is better off letting the people riot, their antics are good publicity for him.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Peaceful protests like the womens' march don't look good for him, but idiots rioting and burning stuff probably increases support for him.
  57. @Anonym
    What happens if you’re wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you’re wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I'm picturing with some amusement the dance scene from the Labrynth, or Eyes Wide Shut. At least in EWS the police commissioner is in attendence and it's at some out of the way estate, so you are probably safe.

    But seriously if I wanted to attend an event to protest immigration it would probably be wise to be masked, knowing leftists.

    But seriously if I wanted to attend an event to protest immigration it would probably be wise to be masked, knowing leftists.

    If you are protesting immigration, it would be wise to be masked to protect your job.

    • Agree: melendwyr
  58. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    To me, it smacks of Soros. Women’s rights is just the Trojan Horse for globalism.

  59. @unpc downunder
    There's certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn't going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I've talked to think he's a bit of an a-hole. However, as Buzz points out these marches go beyond sexism concerns. It's about showing power and uniting on the liberal left.
    Trump's election is unleashing (or revealing) a lot of ideological anarchy and the left is worried that the rainbow alliance against white males may start to splinter.

    I've noticed that my left-liberal sister is quite muted on Trump and doesn't really know what to make of him. A year ago she was protesting against the TPP and now some brash American businessman has come along and struck it down with 48 hours of coming into office.

    There’s certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn’t going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I’ve talked to think he’s a bit of an a-hole.

    My niece, who’s very church-y despite having all her kids out-of-wedlock (she lives with her common law “husband” if that is any consolation) did not like Hillary at all, but could not- publicly at least- bring herself to endorse Trump. The again, my down-n-out sister-in-law, whose socio-economic status would go up several notches if some Hell’s Angel made her the biker-b!tch momma she was born to be- voted for Trump.

    Again, no need to worry too much about this, as it will almost certainly come to naught. Trump ALREADY won a majority of white women after a concerted, colluded psy-ops campaign against him, so barring any particularly egregious behavior in the White House, he has nowhere to go but up. Plus he has a very nice-looking family, and just the glam aspects of the Trump brand should start paying dividends soon.

    But above all, please remember most women are hostages and victims of the anti-white, anti-Western, anti-cishet mind control waves propagated by our totally POZ’d culture, and I am tired of the guys on here bashing them for something out of their control. When that white female Idaho DNC chair contender pleads that she “needs to be schooled” (I remember some white female activist from another story years ago using the exact same language- “I need to be educated!” in a tone that somehow combined both bossiness and abject humiliation) that is really a plea for help from you, yes, you- white man! It’s like she’s sending out Morse code with her eye flutters- “I’m trapped and I can’t do anything because I don’t want to be shamed or shunned or disliked, but I really hate what’s happening. Help. Won’t you man-up and please help?”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    "White guy needed, stat!"
    , @NOTA
    The probability of a sex scandal is probably a lot lower for 70 year old guy than for a 50 year old. Trump's likely failure node with female voters is probably his tendency to spout off on mike or on Twitter, and say something that pisses a lot of women off.

    The pussy-grabbing comment was pretty damaging to him, thanks to the large number of women who have been groped by the occasional creep and are still pissed off about it. You can kinda imagine some similar thing coming out, but I wouldn't expect it to be nearly as offensive as that comment.
  60. You can have these Canadian, un-American laws after the last Nazi is in the ground. Until then, punching Nazis is as American as apple pie.

  61. @Lot
    Affordable family creation in Israel:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/01/24/israel-approves-2500-west-bank-homes-following-netanyahu-call-trump/

    Honestly some of the new settlement developments look crowded and dumpy. Israel should exchange some of its big beautiful wall builders for some of our exurban home developers now working at DR Horton and Lennar. Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.

    yeah but no yards

  62. @Anonymous
    It's illegal to wear a mask in D.C. Yet during the Inauguration I saw skinny, wimpy white boy with mop tops wearing bandanas and other masks over their faces walking right past MPD cops, Capitol Police, Park Police, et al., and nothing was done. Laws are only worthwhile if you can police them. Trump promised law and order so Sessions needs to enforce the federal Anti-Riot Act. I'm sure these wimpy young white boys will love the Darwinistic-anarchic federal correction facilities.

    Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons assembled in a group of at least three people. Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. According to 18 USCS § 2102 "to incite a riot", or "to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot",

    And arrest that evil old fucker Soros!

    How is “act of violence” defined?

  63. @27 year old
    The whole thing was really tacky and gross. I saw people on facebook who posted pictures of their infant/toddler daughters wearing "pussy hats". That's creepy to say the least.

    Speaking of the hats, I think it's pretty funny that the radical feminist shindig featured at its heart a huge knitting effort. Even when trying to smash the patriarchy they are doing a traditionally feminine ("stereotypical", "evil 1950s", "oppressed") activity.

    About the masks, my wife upon seeing the protest videos said "isn't it illegal to wear a mask like that? They're obviously up to no good."

    I saw people on facebook who posted pictures of their infant/toddler daughters wearing “pussy hats”. That’s creepy to say the least.

    Caption: Last possible moment for a partial birth abortion!

  64. @dc.sunsets
    Agreed.

    Protest: okay.
    Violent protest: punished.
    Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a "demonstration" is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime.

    “Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime.”

    Bringing AND wearing that mask, indeed.

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    • Replies: @guest
    Uh, duh. They were quite obviously engaged in premeditated, violent (against property) lawbreaking.
    , @dc.sunsets
    "Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?"

    Violence against persons? You bet.
    , @Anonym
    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    If you revolt and succeed, all bets are off. But if the tiger you attempt to ride flings you off, you'll pay the price.
  65. Not quite OT: Senate Judiciary Democrats delay vote on Jeff Sessions nomination by a week.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/dems-delay-sessions-vote-as-3-other-trump-nominees-clear-committee.html

    This looks to be mostly routine Senate committee politics but it better be just that. Of any cabinet pick, Sessions is really key to Trump being what he has sold himself to be, and to ending the shenanigans of the Obama-Holder-Lynch “Department of Just Us.” It’s bad enough that the Homeland Security pick wasn’t Kris Kobach.

  66. @Abe

    It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.
     
    And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain't white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). And I'm sure Clinton-pal Jack Nicholson never goes in for the sort of degrading "locker room talk" Donald Trump was slammed for, given that Nicholson's a 59+ year old man who knows better (the most infuriating part of Her Majesty's entire psy-ops campaign for me was when those two choades on SNL's Weekly Update news program claimed that as healthy, young, successful men, they would never talk about women that way- it was like one of Stalin's show trails where in addition to confessing to being a wrecker, the victim also had to admit to being a sexual pervert- or in this case, a mewling sack-less wonder pajama boy).

    I hear what you're saying, but nothing is going to come of this. News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm... foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing...

    News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm… foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing…

    In short, it was a globalist manifestation.

  67. @Abe

    There’s certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn’t going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I’ve talked to think he’s a bit of an a-hole.
     
    My niece, who's very church-y despite having all her kids out-of-wedlock (she lives with her common law "husband" if that is any consolation) did not like Hillary at all, but could not- publicly at least- bring herself to endorse Trump. The again, my down-n-out sister-in-law, whose socio-economic status would go up several notches if some Hell's Angel made her the biker-b!tch momma she was born to be- voted for Trump.

    Again, no need to worry too much about this, as it will almost certainly come to naught. Trump ALREADY won a majority of white women after a concerted, colluded psy-ops campaign against him, so barring any particularly egregious behavior in the White House, he has nowhere to go but up. Plus he has a very nice-looking family, and just the glam aspects of the Trump brand should start paying dividends soon.

    But above all, please remember most women are hostages and victims of the anti-white, anti-Western, anti-cishet mind control waves propagated by our totally POZ'd culture, and I am tired of the guys on here bashing them for something out of their control. When that white female Idaho DNC chair contender pleads that she "needs to be schooled" (I remember some white female activist from another story years ago using the exact same language- "I need to be educated!" in a tone that somehow combined both bossiness and abject humiliation) that is really a plea for help from you, yes, you- white man! It's like she's sending out Morse code with her eye flutters- "I'm trapped and I can't do anything because I don't want to be shamed or shunned or disliked, but I really hate what's happening. Help. Won't you man-up and please help?"

    “White guy needed, stat!”

  68. @Olorin
    And who's going to pay to air condition, and clean, and maintain all that Huge?

    Not much water there in Israel for the basics, never mind filling and cleaning "jetted bathtubs" or scrubbing all those manufactured surfaces.

    Solar panels on the roof and desalinization plant on the coast.

    Elon Musk says Tesla’s solar roof will cost the same as a normal one.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    I wouldn't expect him to claim otherwise.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Lot, Come visit Buffalo and Musk's Riverbend solar panel plant AKA Solarcity, the largest solar panel manufacturing plant in the world. The plant was build on NYS property with a gift of $840 million from Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Not one panel out the door yet nor are there any of the 5oo jobs he promised. Musk touts the new look Solar Panel Roof Tile as the wave of the future, but DOW Chemical closed their unprofitable roof tile panel business. The one article I read about roof tile panel said it costs about $70k for a roof, far from the cost of a normal roof. But Musk is one hell of a salesman.
  69. Yeah, it’s so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

    The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Good.
    , @Olorin
    Yeah, a lot of the Asians I know in Pugetopolis are armed, conservative, and don't take crap from anyone, never mind leftist antifa terrorists who pull things out of their coats and fire projectiles at a crowd who have turned out to listen to a speaker at a public university.

    Interesting how the above MSM source included his political inclinations but not his race, eh?

    I figure the antifas in Seattle were hired/paid to make sure other universities are afraid to invite diversity onto their campuses.

    , @Jefferson
    "Yeah, it’s so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:"

    Leftists shoot people all of the time. Last time I checked Chicago for example votes monolithically Democrat.

    , @Federalist
    Apparently after he was assaulted several times by leftists, he shot someone in self-defense. If that's the way it went down, good. Maybe the rioters/so-called protesters will learn a lesson.
  70. @Abe

    Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.
     
    Very true. No one in my household really cares for the jetted tub, but I really miss the built-in computer data wiring we lost when we moved from our former post-millennium home to our current pre-millennium one. In theory wifi makes it an obsolete white elephant; in practice nothing beats a dedicated wire when doing remote desktop in your home office, or for smart home applications. However, pretty much since the 90's it's been impossible to find real wood in new construction, despite all the granite.
    • Replies: @Anon
    Very likely. Most of the original mansions built at Newport by the robber barons of the 1900s no longer exist. They were torn down long ago when they become unfashionable. The ones tourists see nowadays are among the very few that are left.
  71. @jtgw
    Wow. Why does she still have a job?

    Devil’s advocate: Most people don’t know the primary role of the Secret Service is investigating counterfeiting of US currency, and the President’s bodyguards are only a small fraction of the agency personnel and resources. It sounds like this woman has a desk job that’s more on the counterfeiting side.

    Back to the angels: Go ahead and hound this woman out of a job; we need to take any chance we get to give the left a taste of their own medicine.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    Ah OK. Still, the First Amendment only guarantees that you can speak your mind and not go to jail. It doesn't guarantee that you can speak your mind and keep your job.
  72. Texas enacted anti-mask laws back in the ’20s when the Klan was getting big. The powers-that-were were more concerned with the Klan’s challenge to their power than anything else. That said, the Klan certainly earned its reputation for violence. There was a basic assumption that a bunch of guys wearing Klan hoods marching down the street were not just there to sell cookies.

    Fast forward 90 or so years, and when you see a bunch of masked AntiFas or Black Bloc or Red Guards, there’s a reasonable expectation that not only are they not averse to violence, but they might want to start some. The past months have shown they are quite willing to attack. They aren’t going to a Halloween party.

    Undoubtedly the libertarian position that peaceable assembly is not to be interfered with until the masked thugs with a reputation for violence actually attack someone with their sign-posts, banner-poles, or concealed knives & brass knuckles, while ideologically sound, doesn’t really hold water in a real world sense. If a fight is brewing, the best time to hit the other guy is when he’s taking off his coat.

    In other words, liberty is the product of a well-ordered society. As long as our society is deformed by leftist violence, no masks, as long as it is deformed by demographic warfare, no refugees, as long as it is deformed by Islamic terror, no Muslim immigrants. When we are tired of winning, we can be tolerant.

  73. @Corvinus
    "Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime."

    Bringing AND wearing that mask, indeed.

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    Uh, duh. They were quite obviously engaged in premeditated, violent (against property) lawbreaking.

  74. @Lot
    Solar panels on the roof and desalinization plant on the coast.

    Elon Musk says Tesla's solar roof will cost the same as a normal one.

    I wouldn’t expect him to claim otherwise.

  75. @dc.sunsets
    Simple. If a citizen shoots someone who is wearing a mask, add that fact to the presumption that they rightly believed their well-being was in immediate danger.

    The wearing of a mask need not be illegal. Just make wearing a mask on every day other than Oct. 31st a Very Unsafe Practice.

    /grin

    Jeff Cooper put it best:

    “I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as ‘ninja’ … Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view.”

  76. @Yak-15
    Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law.

    They can take my Venetian-style orgies when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.

  77. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    If any group in the world has reason not to believe their resentment is not being registered or that they aren’t taken seriously, it’s women. They spend most of their time being taken too seriously and registering too much resentment.

    Every day of their lives is an episode of Real Housewives, blasting their feelings over all and sundry. Making sure every little thing that pops into their heads is registered in stone in everyone else’s memory.

  78. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    Pussygate was just the most famous thing. I wouldn’t read too much into how women feel about it. It’s more they don’t like Trump instinctively and seek about for reasons than this reason jumped out at then and made them hate Trump. Plus, these things are heavily organized, and no doubt the sane people who thought it would land well in the campaign put it out there as an advertising slogan.

    That being said, it does speak to something deep inside the modern female psyche. They really, really don’t “get” alpha males, unless they’re right there in front of them.

  79. @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    Out of control FUPA on the right there.

  80. @Harry Baldwin
    OT, but I've been thinking about the women's march . It really wasn't primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women. They feel disrespected because a), America had a chance to vote for a woman president and didn't take it, and b.) Trump fat-shamed a woman and said women would let you grab their pussies yet America still elected him. A lot of women felt really disrespected and needed to get together in group solidarity and register their resentment that their feelings were not taken seriously.

    Judging from the posters and slogans, the pussy comment was key. No woman, no matter how sexually loose or undesirable, likes people to think she can be easily had. Deep down all women still believe in their virtue, however they may have to rationalize their behavior.

    The march seemed more like an act of mass catharsis for a feelz demographic that is immune to logic. They had their bubble burst in the debates when Juanita Broaddrick et al showed up to highlight HRC’s and Democratic party complacence with, even enablement of Bill’s preying upon women. So the whole “women’s dignity” thing has been shown to be a partisan charade. Strong is the cognitive dissonance among them. The harder core element of these parades were clearly not giving a whiff about equality. They have their eyes on a different prize: leftist hegemony & the ascendance of a majority minority coalition. Women’s lib & environmentalism are just convenient fig leaves for now.

  81. @(((Owen)))
    We could use an anti-headscarf law also, like the one the French won't enforce, only with teeth. It would let people know who's welcome and who isn't.

    Though we'd need an exception for authentic organic American Moslems (NOI).

    No exceptions.

    • Replies: @whahae
    Agreed. No exceptions. Someone has to finally stand up to the nuns. Papists aren't wanted in America.
  82. @Lot
    Solar panels on the roof and desalinization plant on the coast.

    Elon Musk says Tesla's solar roof will cost the same as a normal one.

    Lot, Come visit Buffalo and Musk’s Riverbend solar panel plant AKA Solarcity, the largest solar panel manufacturing plant in the world. The plant was build on NYS property with a gift of $840 million from Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Not one panel out the door yet nor are there any of the 5oo jobs he promised. Musk touts the new look Solar Panel Roof Tile as the wave of the future, but DOW Chemical closed their unprofitable roof tile panel business. The one article I read about roof tile panel said it costs about $70k for a roof, far from the cost of a normal roof. But Musk is one hell of a salesman.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Musk is an abject mountebank; like Apple before it, Tesla is a marketing company masquerading as a technology company. He puts batteries from Asia in cars designed to appear slick and appeal to hipster doofi and smelly hippies. The latter buyers are hypocrites, because of course the cars run on coal (the source of the vast majority of electricity in the U.S.A., and likely in the entire world).
  83. @Abe

    It really wasn’t primarily about politics, but a hissy fit about feeling disrespected as women.
     
    And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain't white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). And I'm sure Clinton-pal Jack Nicholson never goes in for the sort of degrading "locker room talk" Donald Trump was slammed for, given that Nicholson's a 59+ year old man who knows better (the most infuriating part of Her Majesty's entire psy-ops campaign for me was when those two choades on SNL's Weekly Update news program claimed that as healthy, young, successful men, they would never talk about women that way- it was like one of Stalin's show trails where in addition to confessing to being a wrecker, the victim also had to admit to being a sexual pervert- or in this case, a mewling sack-less wonder pajama boy).

    I hear what you're saying, but nothing is going to come of this. News shows were hyping this by saying there was over 1 million turn-out once you counted marches in foreign cities. Hmmm... foreign cities? Guess Democrats are actually back-sliding in this whole grasping the workings of the Electoral College thing...

    “And yet women have no problem buying, dancing to, and in every other way patronizing, the vilest sort of rap music (as JEFFERSON might say, it ain’t white women driving the latest Finnish death metal up the charts). ?”

    Hoochie Mama is the type of rap song that women shake their asses to at night clubs. The very same women who claim Donald J. Trump violates their safe spaces.

  84. @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    Can I ask that you put such stuff below the fold in future and have a big warning above the fold. Something that says: YOU REALLY CANNOT UNSEE THIS ONCE YOU HAVE SEEN IT.

  85. @Ben Frank
    Crime news - notable murder in almost-all-white state:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/murder-of-vermont-man-state-capital-montpelier-first-in-nearly-a-century/

    Hmm … probably about the only three black guys in Vermont are all involved in a murder: one as shooter, one as victim, and one as witness. Gosh, what are the chances?

    /naïveté

    And the whole incident was started by the shooter’s diminutive white chick girlfriend, so fortunately there will be a way to blame this on white people, so long as white women remain willing to take another hit on behalf of the Rainbow Coalition.

  86. This is Brooks’ key paragraph:

    “I loathed Trump’s inaugural: It offered a zero-sum, ethnically pure, backward-looking brutalistic nationalism. But it was a coherent vision, and he is rallying a true and fervent love of our home.”

    A movement yielding a true and fervent love of America Mr. (((Brooks))) loathes.

    • Replies: @guest
    That ethnically pure part he just made up. I was going to say I wish, but I'd be counted out--being a dirty Germano-Scotch-Irish-Swissman--if the original stock took the country back. Or maybe all us pale euroids are the same to Brooks.

    By the way, who even comes up with "zero-sum" nationalism? He means protectionism, right? Or is he worried Trump's an imperialist? No, zero-sum democratic imperialism is fine with Brooks.

  87. OT: iSteve, you should have a post on the national chairwoman of the recent Women’s March in DC, Linda Sarsour, who happens to be an honest-to-goodness advocate of Sharia Law and supporter of Saudi Arabia’s ban on women driving. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Here are some of her tweets:

  88. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    If a riot breaks out, take off the mask.

  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    Although I'd like to see the bastards rot in jail, I am at heart a small government guy.

    Asking for a mask law sounds good at first, but then it seems like just another crack in our crumbling wall of defence against government -- another rip in The Bill of Rights.

    Wouldn't it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can't identify them you can't find them later, so you miss a few, but that's the price of liberty.

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot, masked or not? I know if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later, so you miss a few, but that’s the price of liberty.

    From a practical perspective, the issue is that if lots of people are masked (and in this instance, wearing the same fashion of mask) you can’t identify who did what in furterance of the riot and who was a bystander sufficient to prosecute any one of them without informants.

  90. @Abe

    Newer US homes are typically huge and very well made and designed. CAT6, big jetted bathtubs, solar roofs, dual walkin closets, granite everywhere.
     
    Very true. No one in my household really cares for the jetted tub, but I really miss the built-in computer data wiring we lost when we moved from our former post-millennium home to our current pre-millennium one. In theory wifi makes it an obsolete white elephant; in practice nothing beats a dedicated wire when doing remote desktop in your home office, or for smart home applications. However, pretty much since the 90's it's been impossible to find real wood in new construction, despite all the granite.

    Right. I wired all our new construction with Cat-5 back in 2000 and now run gigabit routers between machines (I do a lot of large file transfers) and the transfers are very very fast. It is great to see the Windows network meter up about 80%.

  91. @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    My eyes! My eyes!

  92. @Veracitor

    What we need is not more substantive laws, but a simple PROCEDURAL change: PRIVATE PROSECUTION of criminal offences by regular citizens. This is comparable to the “private attorney general” doctrine for civil cases which the “real” attorney general could have but declines to bring.

    Private prosecution was traditionally part of the Common Law. Of course, the Left hates any derogation from total government power in its enlightened hands and has worked hard to abolish private prosecutions on the sly where it could:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution

    Naturally, there need to be adequate safeguards including cost awards, advance posting of security and independent judicial supervision (as in all criminal cases) to protect innocent citizens from being railroaded by busybodies.

    Long term, the chance that ANY criminal statute may be enforced by private citizens should help to stem the proliferation of junk laws being piled onto our overcrowded statute books.

    RELATED POINT: Our legal systems should also embody much more DIVERSITY. Why is there only one trial court system and one district attorney in each county? Would it not be better to have, say, three or seven competing systems, with cases being allocated at random or by consent of the parties?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cicero got his start by privately prosecuting the governor of Sicily for malfeasance in office.
  93. @dc.sunsets

    Wouldn’t it be just as good to arrest rioters on the spot? Yes, I know, if you can’t identify them you can’t find them later.
     
    If they're violent, just shoot them.

    So you miss a few. That’s the price of liberty.
     
    Use of good optical sights will minimize misses.

    “Who was that masked man?”
    “Mistah Kurtz, he dead.”

  94. @Thomas
    Most states actually already have such laws, making it illegal to wear a mask with the intent of evading law enforcement or concealing one's identity. They originated for dealing with the Ku Klux Klan. http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws#United_States

    A lot depends on whether you've got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges. An example of a possible recent sea change would be that anti-Trump rioters in DC from last Friday are facing potentially serious federal felony rioting charges now.

    A lot depends on whether you’ve got prosecutors (who at heart are politicians) who are motivated enough to bring charges.

    Answer is PRIVATE PROSECUTIONS. See detailed comment above.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution

  95. @Buffalo Joe
    Lot, Come visit Buffalo and Musk's Riverbend solar panel plant AKA Solarcity, the largest solar panel manufacturing plant in the world. The plant was build on NYS property with a gift of $840 million from Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Not one panel out the door yet nor are there any of the 5oo jobs he promised. Musk touts the new look Solar Panel Roof Tile as the wave of the future, but DOW Chemical closed their unprofitable roof tile panel business. The one article I read about roof tile panel said it costs about $70k for a roof, far from the cost of a normal roof. But Musk is one hell of a salesman.

    Musk is an abject mountebank; like Apple before it, Tesla is a marketing company masquerading as a technology company. He puts batteries from Asia in cars designed to appear slick and appeal to hipster doofi and smelly hippies. The latter buyers are hypocrites, because of course the cars run on coal (the source of the vast majority of electricity in the U.S.A., and likely in the entire world).

    • Replies: @Lot
    Coal is nowhere near the majority of US electricity. It peaked around 56% in the mid 80s, is now about 30%, and dropping quickly.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    It's actually pretty close. Power generation and transmission only turns about 30% of the fuel energy into electricity at your socket, though this figure's increased for Combined Heat and Power (CHP) plants.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/21c_pre_2011/energy/generatingelectricityrev4.shtml

    Then of that 30% electricity about 75% is useful wheel power in an electric car, after factoring in converting AC/DC, charging a battery and the (small) losses of the motor and drivetrain. I make that 21.5% efficiency.

    Burning the fuel in a car turns 25-30% of the fuel into usable crankshaft power.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency#Gasoline_.28petrol.29_engines

    HOWEVER - you can cherrypick you most efficient power plants, choose the most inefficient petrol engines, consider CO2 rather than overall efficiency and get very different figures.

    http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

    No doubt though that for CO2, you don't want your electric car to be coal-powered.
  96. @wren

    “Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years".
     
    I'm sure some political administrations, future, foreign or otherwise would love to extend that to cover anonymous online posting of hatefacts.

    Already happening in much of Europe. No WiFi access without government ID, except, of course, for certain classes of persons.

    Very reasonable safeguard, purely to protect the public, you understand.

  97. I think NYC had such a law inspired by the KKK and was later used against men in drag. At least according to “Barney Miller”

    • Replies: @Anonymous Yale PhD embarrassed by his university
    New York's anti-mask law is a lot older than the KKK. Rather, it dates from the "Anti-Rent War" of the 1840s, when tenant farmers in the Catskill Mountains and Hudson River valley began dressing up in robes and hoods and threatening or even kidnapping public officials.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Rent_War

    http://www.herberthallas.com/2014/07/governor-silas-wrights-1845-anti-mask.html
  98. Given the ever-growing rumors of impending Civil War II in America today (not without plausibility), the country might want to consider another potential Canadian legal import.

    Namely ‘The Clarity Act’ (aka Bill C-20):

    The Clarity Act[1] (known as Bill C-20 before it became law) is legislation passed by the Parliament of Canada that established the conditions under which the Government of Canada would enter into negotiations that might lead to secession following such a vote by one of the provinces.

    ie, Canadian provinces are allowed, legally, to leave, if they really, really want to.

    • Replies: @Adar.
    I would have to think that any state or even locale could secede if an arrangement is negotiated and terms amicably agreed on by both there should be no problem. Canada originally constituted as a confederation for which the American Confederate in exile Judah Benjamin played an important role.
  99. Make it illegal for The Joker, but not for Batman.

  100. Several Southern states have anti-mask laws – though rarely enforced, they’re the legacy of anti-Klan efforts from decades long past.

  101. @Corvinus
    "Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime."

    Bringing AND wearing that mask, indeed.

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    “Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?”

    Violence against persons? You bet.

  102. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    (((Ari Paul))) has decided that the cowardly sneak attack on Richard Spencer was justified.

    http://observer.com/2017/01/do-punch-nazis-anti-semite-white-supremacist-richard-spencer/

    Fortunately, Observer also ran a well-argued counter piece today (http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/) in which Michael Malice says:

    One can’t fight a coarsening culture by ratcheting up the antagonism and aggression. Once violence becomes normalized as a means of political discourse, that on its face is a fascist society…. A nation where political assault is the norm is democracy at its crisis stage. There are far better ways to effect change, no matter how good they might feel.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Translation: just lie down and die and let the savages take over.
    , @Anonymous IX
    Thank you, IndieRafael, for the Malice quote and reference. I absolutely agree with him.

    The group, which was to become the Brown Shirts, first appeared as a loosely knit group of thugs who brawled and used their fists to intimidate people. Early fascists, like a young Hitler, recruited them with emotional demogogy whereupon they eventually began openly attacking people on the streets in addition to storming stages and physically assaulting the participants, which ended the events and discussion.

    The intellectual and emotional IQs of the U.S. have sunk to an unbelievable low partly because current communication, largely sound bite-technology like Twitter, allows an individual to proclaim anything and, ultimately, run from that statement very much like placing a mask upon one's face and going to an demonstration, with the objective to stop and impede the movement of free people, allows that individual to run from responsibility for their actions. The ease of communication allows emotions to determine discussion much as the brawlers became reframed by their emotions.

    We have emotionally stunted individuals who can "bravely" initiate actions, hit Spencer on the side of the head or tweet maligning remarks about a 10 year-old boy, who just happens to the new President's son, and then run like the wind from their actions.

    We need more people to speak against these actions in clear and coherent terms so, thank you, Mr.Malice.

    When Elliot wrote in "The Hollow Men,"

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    I had no idea he was referring to the American republic.
  103. I think that most of the comments I have read (that are on the topic of the post) are missing something very important to recall. That is, that by wearing a mask, police agents provocateurs looking to stir up trouble in order to discredit the protest and the protesters, can operate freely as the rat-fuckers they are. Ask yourself, how many of the so-called Black Block types are actually police? And including police who have been working undercover (not just blending in with the other masked demonstrators on the day), and tracking the plans of the protesters, only to then shift gears, and by being the first ones to throw rocks through windows, or to set cars on fire to do their rat-fuckery to the max ?

    You folks are not cynical enough by half. Remember how the peaceful Occupy gatherings were rolled up in a combined local/state/federal operation? This did not happen without intelligence penetration of the Occupy gatherings beforehand. Since they were by and large peaceful gatherings, no need for the agents provocateurs. TPTB just wanted to nip this in the bud with minimum fuss and muss. At other times, however, penetration combined with provocation is the tactic they embrace, and for the latter, masks are de rigeur.

    So maybe the wearers of masks are not all freedom fighters? Maybe a reason to ban the masks?

  104. @anon
    Many states with such laws, DC's are particularly strong I believe, you can't wear them at all for almost any reason in public I think

    Correct. Nobody over age 15 (IIRC) is allowed to wear a mask on streets/public property in DC.

    Enforcement is another issue.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Correct. Nobody over age 15 (IIRC) is allowed to wear a mask on streets/public property in DC.
     
    That's too bad, because most of them should.
  105. No, we don’t need a law like this. Now to read the rest of the comments.

  106. @snorlax
    Devil's advocate: Most people don't know the primary role of the Secret Service is investigating counterfeiting of US currency, and the President's bodyguards are only a small fraction of the agency personnel and resources. It sounds like this woman has a desk job that's more on the counterfeiting side.

    Back to the angels: Go ahead and hound this woman out of a job; we need to take any chance we get to give the left a taste of their own medicine.

    Ah OK. Still, the First Amendment only guarantees that you can speak your mind and not go to jail. It doesn’t guarantee that you can speak your mind and keep your job.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Ah OK. Still, the First Amendment only guarantees that you can speak your mind and not go to jail.
     
    Actually, it doesn't do even that. It says, "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech." It says nothing about state governments.
  107. Unintended consequences is a general reason to be suspicious of any new law like this. The left is going to resort to anything to gets its claws back on the levers of power. I don’t imagine they’ll listen, but the right should do its best to diminish government power while it can, since sooner or later the left will take over again. And any law now used to persecute leftist agitators will be used against rightist ones.

  108. I can guarantee you this law would already be in effect if RIGHT-WING squads were doing the same thing.

  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, I can only hope that you jest. It’s sad if you are not – it’s unbecoming of you to favor and promote Police State, no matter what good intentions you may have in mind. Policing is only easy in police state. The slippery slope leading into a total surveillance society is quite real.

  110. @Corvinus
    "Violent protest by masked perpetrators: harshly punished. Bringing a mask to a “demonstration” is clear evidence of premeditation to commit violent crime."

    Bringing AND wearing that mask, indeed.

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    Now, using your own metric, would the Boston Tea Partiers fall under your domain for dire consequences?

    If you revolt and succeed, all bets are off. But if the tiger you attempt to ride flings you off, you’ll pay the price.

  111. @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    OMG!!!

    Guess she never read all those articles about how to dress to flatter your “body type”

    Looks like she didn’t go to the Fat Fashions department. I believe she’s wearing a normal size 18, the largest normal size.

    She needs the fat lady sizes. They are euphemistically called women’s sizes
    They come in X, XX, and XXX.

    They are not just bigger normal clothes They have sleeves so big I could fit my normal body in them. The hems of the blouses are about 70 inches.

    She really needs to get herself to a fat lady shop. Obesity is a real boon to the textile industry with all the fabric needed.

  112. @Anon
    This is Brooks' key paragraph:

    "I loathed Trump’s inaugural: It offered a zero-sum, ethnically pure, backward-looking brutalistic nationalism. But it was a coherent vision, and he is rallying a true and fervent love of our home."

    A movement yielding a true and fervent love of America Mr. (((Brooks))) loathes.

    That ethnically pure part he just made up. I was going to say I wish, but I’d be counted out–being a dirty Germano-Scotch-Irish-Swissman–if the original stock took the country back. Or maybe all us pale euroids are the same to Brooks.

    By the way, who even comes up with “zero-sum” nationalism? He means protectionism, right? Or is he worried Trump’s an imperialist? No, zero-sum democratic imperialism is fine with Brooks.

  113. @Erik L
    I think NYC had such a law inspired by the KKK and was later used against men in drag. At least according to "Barney Miller"

    New York’s anti-mask law is a lot older than the KKK. Rather, it dates from the “Anti-Rent War” of the 1840s, when tenant farmers in the Catskill Mountains and Hudson River valley began dressing up in robes and hoods and threatening or even kidnapping public officials.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Rent_War

    http://www.herberthallas.com/2014/07/governor-silas-wrights-1845-anti-mask.html

    • Replies: @Erik L
    Thanks!
  114. @IndieRafael
    Fortunately, Observer also ran a well-argued counter piece today (http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/) in which Michael Malice says:

    One can’t fight a coarsening culture by ratcheting up the antagonism and aggression. Once violence becomes normalized as a means of political discourse, that on its face is a fascist society.... A nation where political assault is the norm is democracy at its crisis stage. There are far better ways to effect change, no matter how good they might feel.
     

    Translation: just lie down and die and let the savages take over.

    • Replies: @IndieRafael
    I hear you, Alden, and understand your point. I think we have alternatives to political violence. Also, as someone who has been publicly active on politics and policy in years past (not currently), I feel that protecting the political culture helps protect those leaders who are exposed. Recently in Germany, politically-motivated attacks on cars, businesses and homes have been exchanged by left and right.

    I understand it's a struggle, and some violence is inevitable. But I am in no rush to the civil war some (not necessarily you) seem to welcome.
  115. OT
    The producer of “Hamilton” has been sued by a blind theatergoer who claimed that the blockbuster Broadway musical violates federal law by failing to offer services to help blind and visually impaired people enjoy the show.

    In his complaint on Monday, Denver resident Mark Lasser said Hamilton Uptown LLC and Nederlander Organization, which runs the Richard Rodgers Theatre in Manhattan where “Hamilton” is performed, could easily provide live audio narratives to help visually impaired people follow stage action between songs.

    But Lasser said the theater refuses to offer such narratives, which can be listened to with headphones so other patrons will not be disturbed.

    He said this violates the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in places of public accommodation, and “will continue to deter blind and visually impaired people from attending musicals.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are some recent technologies that are a real boon for people who don't see or hear too well. For example, hearing aids now come with a radio receiver so the soundtrack of the show can be broadcast directly via radio waves into the earpiece rather than have to pick it up from audio soundwaves.

    An earplug for blind people giving audio descriptions of key action they couldn't follow is something that the highest grossing show in Broadway history could well afford. The problem is how far down the ladder to require this kind of thing. It could be a real extra cost for local dinner theater and the like.

    The good news is that technology for the deaf and blind is getting ever better. A deaf woman I know just got cochlear implants and it's made her life a lot better.

  116. @Eagle Eye
    What we need is not more substantive laws, but a simple PROCEDURAL change: PRIVATE PROSECUTION of criminal offences by regular citizens. This is comparable to the "private attorney general" doctrine for civil cases which the "real" attorney general could have but declines to bring.

    Private prosecution was traditionally part of the Common Law. Of course, the Left hates any derogation from total government power in its enlightened hands and has worked hard to abolish private prosecutions on the sly where it could:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution

    Naturally, there need to be adequate safeguards including cost awards, advance posting of security and independent judicial supervision (as in all criminal cases) to protect innocent citizens from being railroaded by busybodies.

    Long term, the chance that ANY criminal statute may be enforced by private citizens should help to stem the proliferation of junk laws being piled onto our overcrowded statute books.

    RELATED POINT: Our legal systems should also embody much more DIVERSITY. Why is there only one trial court system and one district attorney in each county? Would it not be better to have, say, three or seven competing systems, with cases being allocated at random or by consent of the parties?

    Cicero got his start by privately prosecuting the governor of Sicily for malfeasance in office.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    Interesting - nothing a quicky qui tam to launch a historic career.
    , @Lot
    [Cicero] was appointed quaestor in a great scarcity of corn and had Sicily for his province, where though at first he displeased many, by compelling them to send in their provisions to Rome, yet after they had had experience of his care, justice, and clemency, they honoured him more than ever they did any of their governors before. It happened, also, that some young Romans of good and noble families, charged with neglect of discipline and misconduct in military service, were brought before the praetor in Sicily. Cicero undertook their defence, which he conducted admirably, and got them acquitted.

    ...

    Having so small an estate, though a sufficient competency for his own expenses, it was much wondered at that he took neither fees nor gifts from his clients, and more especially that he did not do so when he undertook the prosecution of Verres. This Verres, who had been praetor of Sicily, and stood charged by the Sicilians of many evil practices during his government there, Cicero succeeded in getting condemned, not by speaking, but in a manner by holding his tongue. For the praetors, favouring Verres, had deferred the trial by several adjournments to the last day, in which it was evident there could not be sufficient time for the advocates to be heard, and the cause brought to an issue. Cicero, therefore, came forward, and said there was no need of speeches; and after producing and examining witnesses, he required the judges to proceed to sentence. However, many witty sayings are on record, as having been used by Cicero on the occasion. When a man named Caecilius, one of the freed slaves, who was said to be given to Jewish practices, would have put by the Sicilians, and undertaken the prosecution of Verres himself, Cicero asked, "What has a Jew to do with swine?" verres being the Roman word for a boar. And when Verres began to reproach Cicero with effeminate living, "You ought," replied he, "to use this language at home, to your sons;" Verres having a son who had fallen into disgraceful courses. Hortensius the orator, not daring directly to undertake the defence of Verres, was yet persuaded to appear for him at the laying on of the fine, and received an ivory sphinx for his reward; and when Cicero in some passage of the speech, obliquely reflected on him, and Hortensius told him he was not skilful in solving riddles, "No," said Cicero, "and yet you have the sphinx in your house!"

    Verres was thus convicted; though Cicero, who set the fine at seventy-five myriads, lay under the suspicion of being corrupted by bribery to lessen the sum. But the Sicilians, in testimony of their gratitude, came and brought him all sorts of presents from the island, when he was aedile; of which he made no private profit himself, but used their generosity only to reduce the public price of provisions.

  117. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    Not a good sign for your health when you’re wearing your butt backwards.

    God, this woman probably has a half-dozen hernias and doesn’t even know it. Although she’s fat, butt-gut is also a sign of having so many bad intestinal bacteria that your immune system goes berserk and starts attacking everything in sight, including your own cells. The bad bacteria excrete so much toxic waste that your intestines will swell up like an anaconda all the way from top to bottom just from the inflammation of your own immune system’s reaction. She probably eats several pounds of sugar a day in some form or another.

  118. @Clyde
    OT
    The producer of "Hamilton" has been sued by a blind theatergoer who claimed that the blockbuster Broadway musical violates federal law by failing to offer services to help blind and visually impaired people enjoy the show.

    In his complaint on Monday, Denver resident Mark Lasser said Hamilton Uptown LLC and Nederlander Organization, which runs the Richard Rodgers Theatre in Manhattan where "Hamilton" is performed, could easily provide live audio narratives to help visually impaired people follow stage action between songs.

    But Lasser said the theater refuses to offer such narratives, which can be listened to with headphones so other patrons will not be disturbed.

    He said this violates the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in places of public accommodation, and "will continue to deter blind and visually impaired people from attending musicals."

    There are some recent technologies that are a real boon for people who don’t see or hear too well. For example, hearing aids now come with a radio receiver so the soundtrack of the show can be broadcast directly via radio waves into the earpiece rather than have to pick it up from audio soundwaves.

    An earplug for blind people giving audio descriptions of key action they couldn’t follow is something that the highest grossing show in Broadway history could well afford. The problem is how far down the ladder to require this kind of thing. It could be a real extra cost for local dinner theater and the like.

    The good news is that technology for the deaf and blind is getting ever better. A deaf woman I know just got cochlear implants and it’s made her life a lot better.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    The lives of the deaf will soon improve dramatically with the advent of real-time automated transcription, presented google-glass style.
    , @snorlax
    An odd thing is that there's apparently a sizable faction of militant deaf people who refuse to get cochlear implants and call the ones who do get implants Uncle Toms.
  119. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    The next time you find a decent person doing that let me know.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    I've found one, and I'm reasonably certain there are more.
  120. @candid_observer
    Laws forbidding such things as wearing masks go against my libertarian streak.

    But I do think that the Hatch Act generally is more than reasonable: governmental employees must forgo certain types of political activities.

    As an egregious example, here's a Secret Service employee who really should be fired:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814

    One of the consequences of the self-induced mass hysteria of the left is that they really do believe now that the usual rules of government and citizenship simply don't apply to them anymore -- because, of course, of Trump. They utterly lack the self-awareness to see that the justification for their flouting these rules is entirely in their own head -- that, for example, there's no rational path that gets you from Trump's "grabbing p*ssy" comment to abandoning your duty as a Secret Service agent to protecting the President.

    I know the fitting punishment. Assign her to Hillary’s security detail. After Hillary treats her like dirt enough times, she’ll wise up. Every agrees that Hillary is horrible to work for if you’re Secret Service. Supposed, HRC holds a grudge against them for sneaking Bill’s chicks in for ‘dates.’ Better yet, if the agent really is a typical female in her reactions, we may not have to worry long about the cost of paying for Bill & Hill’s retirement.

  121. […] Peter Brimelow has written an essay recently saying the same thing. In fact, the sentiment seems to be growing. […]

  122. @Anonymous
    Yeah, it's so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

    The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.
     

    Good.

  123. @Lot
    Here's a related article that is pretty interesting:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-23/these-luxury-real-estate-staples-may-be-gone-in-20-years

    Very likely. Most of the original mansions built at Newport by the robber barons of the 1900s no longer exist. They were torn down long ago when they become unfashionable. The ones tourists see nowadays are among the very few that are left.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    Cicero got his start by privately prosecuting the governor of Sicily for malfeasance in office.

    Interesting – nothing a quicky qui tam to launch a historic career.

  125. @eah
    Actually I'd prefer that most of the women wear burkas.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/822955575612948480

    The struggle (against the icecream and soda) is real.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    There are some recent technologies that are a real boon for people who don't see or hear too well. For example, hearing aids now come with a radio receiver so the soundtrack of the show can be broadcast directly via radio waves into the earpiece rather than have to pick it up from audio soundwaves.

    An earplug for blind people giving audio descriptions of key action they couldn't follow is something that the highest grossing show in Broadway history could well afford. The problem is how far down the ladder to require this kind of thing. It could be a real extra cost for local dinner theater and the like.

    The good news is that technology for the deaf and blind is getting ever better. A deaf woman I know just got cochlear implants and it's made her life a lot better.

    The lives of the deaf will soon improve dramatically with the advent of real-time automated transcription, presented google-glass style.

  127. @Yak-15
    Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law.

    “Looks like the Venetian mask, Eyes Wide Shut style orgies we all love are over with this law.”

    When ritual human-sacrifice orgies are outlawed, only outlaws will conduct ritual human-sacrifice orgies. And the Illuminati, of course

  128. @Steve Sailer
    There are some recent technologies that are a real boon for people who don't see or hear too well. For example, hearing aids now come with a radio receiver so the soundtrack of the show can be broadcast directly via radio waves into the earpiece rather than have to pick it up from audio soundwaves.

    An earplug for blind people giving audio descriptions of key action they couldn't follow is something that the highest grossing show in Broadway history could well afford. The problem is how far down the ladder to require this kind of thing. It could be a real extra cost for local dinner theater and the like.

    The good news is that technology for the deaf and blind is getting ever better. A deaf woman I know just got cochlear implants and it's made her life a lot better.

    An odd thing is that there’s apparently a sizable faction of militant deaf people who refuse to get cochlear implants and call the ones who do get implants Uncle Toms.

  129. @Steve Sailer
    Cicero got his start by privately prosecuting the governor of Sicily for malfeasance in office.

    [Cicero] was appointed quaestor in a great scarcity of corn and had Sicily for his province, where though at first he displeased many, by compelling them to send in their provisions to Rome, yet after they had had experience of his care, justice, and clemency, they honoured him more than ever they did any of their governors before. It happened, also, that some young Romans of good and noble families, charged with neglect of discipline and misconduct in military service, were brought before the praetor in Sicily. Cicero undertook their defence, which he conducted admirably, and got them acquitted.

    Having so small an estate, though a sufficient competency for his own expenses, it was much wondered at that he took neither fees nor gifts from his clients, and more especially that he did not do so when he undertook the prosecution of Verres. This Verres, who had been praetor of Sicily, and stood charged by the Sicilians of many evil practices during his government there, Cicero succeeded in getting condemned, not by speaking, but in a manner by holding his tongue. For the praetors, favouring Verres, had deferred the trial by several adjournments to the last day, in which it was evident there could not be sufficient time for the advocates to be heard, and the cause brought to an issue. Cicero, therefore, came forward, and said there was no need of speeches; and after producing and examining witnesses, he required the judges to proceed to sentence. However, many witty sayings are on record, as having been used by Cicero on the occasion. When a man named Caecilius, one of the freed slaves, who was said to be given to Jewish practices, would have put by the Sicilians, and undertaken the prosecution of Verres himself, Cicero asked, “What has a Jew to do with swine?” verres being the Roman word for a boar. And when Verres began to reproach Cicero with effeminate living, “You ought,” replied he, “to use this language at home, to your sons;” Verres having a son who had fallen into disgraceful courses. Hortensius the orator, not daring directly to undertake the defence of Verres, was yet persuaded to appear for him at the laying on of the fine, and received an ivory sphinx for his reward; and when Cicero in some passage of the speech, obliquely reflected on him, and Hortensius told him he was not skilful in solving riddles, “No,” said Cicero, “and yet you have the sphinx in your house!”

    Verres was thus convicted; though Cicero, who set the fine at seventy-five myriads, lay under the suspicion of being corrupted by bribery to lessen the sum. But the Sicilians, in testimony of their gratitude, came and brought him all sorts of presents from the island, when he was aedile; of which he made no private profit himself, but used their generosity only to reduce the public price of provisions.

  130. If you are a sign language only deaf person, improved cochlear implants are a cultural threat. American Sign Language is a different language from English. ASL is an offshoot of French sign language, so ASL deaf people can go to France and converse with French deaf people, but they need an interpreter to speak to deaf people in England, because English sign language is a different language than ASL.

    So, cochlear implants reduce the number of people who learn sign language, which is not good for people who are profoundly deaf or who only know ASL because it shrinks the number of people they can talk to.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's a little bit like if you are a Navajo who speaks only Navajo, do you want Navajo children taught English, which will help their chances in the world? But what if they give up Navajo and you can't communicate with them?
  131. @Steve Sailer
    If you are a sign language only deaf person, improved cochlear implants are a cultural threat. American Sign Language is a different language from English. ASL is an offshoot of French sign language, so ASL deaf people can go to France and converse with French deaf people, but they need an interpreter to speak to deaf people in England, because English sign language is a different language than ASL.

    So, cochlear implants reduce the number of people who learn sign language, which is not good for people who are profoundly deaf or who only know ASL because it shrinks the number of people they can talk to.

    It’s a little bit like if you are a Navajo who speaks only Navajo, do you want Navajo children taught English, which will help their chances in the world? But what if they give up Navajo and you can’t communicate with them?

    • Replies: @william munny
    It is worse for the deaf because they are really limited in who they can talk to. Most deaf people don't live around too many other deaf people. There used to be more of them because of scarlet fever, and they had schools, clubs, and very organized social lives. Now, with ever decreasing numbers, which is a good thing, the ones who will always be deaf feel like they are being left behind. Better technology also allows many of them to be less reliant on in-person socialization. Maybe like an older immigrant who does not live in around other people who speak, say, Latvian, and cannot learn the language. Having been exposed to some of the culture, there is also a faction that is culturally militant and is absorbing the language of victimhood and minority privilege and oppression. Of course, those who have deaf children actually sometimes have the opportunity to allow their children to move out of victimhood status, but some can't do it. Most, though, from what I have seen, have embraced the technology, having experienced a very real disability.
  132. @123
    Correct. Nobody over age 15 (IIRC) is allowed to wear a mask on streets/public property in DC.

    Enforcement is another issue.

    Correct. Nobody over age 15 (IIRC) is allowed to wear a mask on streets/public property in DC.

    That’s too bad, because most of them should.

  133. @Jack Highlands
    No exceptions.

    Agreed. No exceptions. Someone has to finally stand up to the nuns. Papists aren’t wanted in America.

  134. Instead of banning masks I’d suggest that the right adopt the same tactic, but only as a direct response(we’d get hammered otherwise).

  135. @Autochthon
    Musk is an abject mountebank; like Apple before it, Tesla is a marketing company masquerading as a technology company. He puts batteries from Asia in cars designed to appear slick and appeal to hipster doofi and smelly hippies. The latter buyers are hypocrites, because of course the cars run on coal (the source of the vast majority of electricity in the U.S.A., and likely in the entire world).

    Coal is nowhere near the majority of US electricity. It peaked around 56% in the mid 80s, is now about 30%, and dropping quickly.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I stand old and corrected. My updated research reveals natural gas produces the vast majority of electrity in California. Petroleum and uranium the most nationally. Those are of course infinitely renewable and produce no pollution, unlike coal. Touché for the hippies.
  136. @dc.sunsets
    Simple. If a citizen shoots someone who is wearing a mask, add that fact to the presumption that they rightly believed their well-being was in immediate danger.

    The wearing of a mask need not be illegal. Just make wearing a mask on every day other than Oct. 31st a Very Unsafe Practice.

    /grin

    For black bloc drama queens, Every Day Is Halloween. I predict much drama.

  137. @Anonymous
    Yeah, it's so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

    The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.
     

    Yeah, a lot of the Asians I know in Pugetopolis are armed, conservative, and don’t take crap from anyone, never mind leftist antifa terrorists who pull things out of their coats and fire projectiles at a crowd who have turned out to listen to a speaker at a public university.

    Interesting how the above MSM source included his political inclinations but not his race, eh?

    I figure the antifas in Seattle were hired/paid to make sure other universities are afraid to invite diversity onto their campuses.

  138. @Autochthon
    Musk is an abject mountebank; like Apple before it, Tesla is a marketing company masquerading as a technology company. He puts batteries from Asia in cars designed to appear slick and appeal to hipster doofi and smelly hippies. The latter buyers are hypocrites, because of course the cars run on coal (the source of the vast majority of electricity in the U.S.A., and likely in the entire world).

    It’s actually pretty close. Power generation and transmission only turns about 30% of the fuel energy into electricity at your socket, though this figure’s increased for Combined Heat and Power (CHP) plants.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/21c_pre_2011/energy/generatingelectricityrev4.shtml

    Then of that 30% electricity about 75% is useful wheel power in an electric car, after factoring in converting AC/DC, charging a battery and the (small) losses of the motor and drivetrain. I make that 21.5% efficiency.

    Burning the fuel in a car turns 25-30% of the fuel into usable crankshaft power.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency#Gasoline_.28petrol.29_engines

    HOWEVER – you can cherrypick you most efficient power plants, choose the most inefficient petrol engines, consider CO2 rather than overall efficiency and get very different figures.

    http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

    No doubt though that for CO2, you don’t want your electric car to be coal-powered.

  139. @Steve Sailer
    It's a little bit like if you are a Navajo who speaks only Navajo, do you want Navajo children taught English, which will help their chances in the world? But what if they give up Navajo and you can't communicate with them?

    It is worse for the deaf because they are really limited in who they can talk to. Most deaf people don’t live around too many other deaf people. There used to be more of them because of scarlet fever, and they had schools, clubs, and very organized social lives. Now, with ever decreasing numbers, which is a good thing, the ones who will always be deaf feel like they are being left behind. Better technology also allows many of them to be less reliant on in-person socialization. Maybe like an older immigrant who does not live in around other people who speak, say, Latvian, and cannot learn the language. Having been exposed to some of the culture, there is also a faction that is culturally militant and is absorbing the language of victimhood and minority privilege and oppression. Of course, those who have deaf children actually sometimes have the opportunity to allow their children to move out of victimhood status, but some can’t do it. Most, though, from what I have seen, have embraced the technology, having experienced a very real disability.

  140. @celt darnell
    I fully agree with you. This idea of "wearing a mask" as an offence can be extended in illiberal ways. It's cold outside so you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth -- guess what? You're wearing a mask. Better hope you're nowhere near any trouble, even if you have nothing to do with it.

    Arrest the rioters on the spot -- masked or not.

    And yes, send them to jail for a proper length of time.

    “This idea of “wearing a mask” as an offence can be extended in illiberal ways. It’s cold outside so you wrap a scarf around your nose and mouth — guess what? You’re wearing a mask. Better hope you’re nowhere near any trouble, even if you have nothing to do with it.”

    This was my first thought. No matter how well-intentioned a law may be, cops and prosecutors will twist it and use it in increase false arrests and imprisonments. Sort of like a guy who’s arrested for drunk driving not because he actually drove his car, but because he had his keys in his pockets. Next thing you know, these tools will add a charge of transporting a mask across state lines to make damn sure that they can force people to accept a charge of SOMETHING just to avoid prison.

    • Agree: celt darnell
  141. @melendwyr
    What happens if you're wearing a mask and a riot breaks out, or you're wearing a mask and the assembly is retroactively declared to be unlawful?

    I can understand wanting to prevent people who are committing actual crimes (as opposed to something the legal system calls a crime) from concealing their identities, but making a law against masks seems rather silly, as it will just be ignored by criminals.

    Meanwhile decent people wanting to wear symbols of anti-authoritarian rebellion will be penalized.

    I agree with melendwyr. These are the kind of laws that come back to bite you. It’s kind of like banning rebel flags.

  142. I thought most of the USA already had these anti mask laws. I thought these laws were passed to stop KKK violence, terrorism.

  143. @Anonymous Yale PhD embarrassed by his university
    New York's anti-mask law is a lot older than the KKK. Rather, it dates from the "Anti-Rent War" of the 1840s, when tenant farmers in the Catskill Mountains and Hudson River valley began dressing up in robes and hoods and threatening or even kidnapping public officials.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Rent_War

    http://www.herberthallas.com/2014/07/governor-silas-wrights-1845-anti-mask.html

    Thanks!

  144. Unless a mask is worn as part of a gala event, then the mere wearing of the mask is considered in most locales to be a criminal offense or the prelude to a criminal offense. Wearing of masks unless part of a gala even banned in NYC for instance. Mayor Guiliani said so.

  145. Perhaps Christopher Nolan was on to something about the anti-fa mentality with the Bane character from his last Batman movie:

    “Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask.”

  146. @mobi
    Given the ever-growing rumors of impending Civil War II in America today (not without plausibility), the country might want to consider another potential Canadian legal import.

    Namely 'The Clarity Act' (aka Bill C-20):

    The Clarity Act[1] (known as Bill C-20 before it became law) is legislation passed by the Parliament of Canada that established the conditions under which the Government of Canada would enter into negotiations that might lead to secession following such a vote by one of the provinces.
     
    ie, Canadian provinces are allowed, legally, to leave, if they really, really want to.

    I would have to think that any state or even locale could secede if an arrangement is negotiated and terms amicably agreed on by both there should be no problem. Canada originally constituted as a confederation for which the American Confederate in exile Judah Benjamin played an important role.

  147. @dc.sunsets
    Eh, I don't get it.

    Rules for maximizing one's safety:
    1. Don't go stupid places
    2. Don't hang with stupid people
    3. Don't do stupid things

    Showing up to a mass demonstration violates all three, so I don't do it.

    On the other hand, those who might be inclined to go ANYWHERE in the USA while wearing a mask (unless the wind chill is below 10 deg F) should consider that concealed carry of firearms is now quite common, and many people who carry guns for self-protection are undoubtedly primed to see a masked person as a likely robber.

    Masked robbers are actually a trend, and they court the same treatment as this sorry miscreant: http://www.wifr.com/content/news/Rockford-Police-and-Fire-on-scene-of-armed-robbery-at-Alpine-Bank-411363285.html

    Many folks I know would respond to seeing a masked person by pointing a loaded gun at that person's chest or masked face. I applaud this.

    By the same token, those same folks, if accidentally caught in the middle of a mass demonstration and threatened with violence by a group of masked people, would shoot them.

    The Left is trying to resurrect mass violence as a means to extort the public. It worked in the 1960's. I think it will backfire spectacularly this time around, and the Bill Ayers of the world will end up doing life in prison or pushing up daisies.

    Taking a concealed firearm to a confrontational demonstration in the knowledge you can inveigle someone into attacking you and shoot them without coming under fire from half a dozen guns is something that can only work once. The Greensboro massacre was started when someone, unclear on what side, fired a gun.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Going to a demonstration violates all three rules of "stupid."
    1. Don't go stupid places
    2. Don't hang with stupid people
    3. Don't do stupid things.

    Mass demonstrations are for the mass-minded.
  148. @dc.sunsets
    Eh, I don't get it.

    Rules for maximizing one's safety:
    1. Don't go stupid places
    2. Don't hang with stupid people
    3. Don't do stupid things

    Showing up to a mass demonstration violates all three, so I don't do it.

    On the other hand, those who might be inclined to go ANYWHERE in the USA while wearing a mask (unless the wind chill is below 10 deg F) should consider that concealed carry of firearms is now quite common, and many people who carry guns for self-protection are undoubtedly primed to see a masked person as a likely robber.

    Masked robbers are actually a trend, and they court the same treatment as this sorry miscreant: http://www.wifr.com/content/news/Rockford-Police-and-Fire-on-scene-of-armed-robbery-at-Alpine-Bank-411363285.html

    Many folks I know would respond to seeing a masked person by pointing a loaded gun at that person's chest or masked face. I applaud this.

    By the same token, those same folks, if accidentally caught in the middle of a mass demonstration and threatened with violence by a group of masked people, would shoot them.

    The Left is trying to resurrect mass violence as a means to extort the public. It worked in the 1960's. I think it will backfire spectacularly this time around, and the Bill Ayers of the world will end up doing life in prison or pushing up daisies.

    Cost – Benefit
    Make the cost high enough and most followers will scatter. Making the cost high enough includes going undercover inside the NGO’s that spread cash to these rent-a-mobs, catch them breaking laws, take them down like taking down Al Capone and the mob for whatever tax evasion, etc., they violate. The leaders will delegate assault to their idiot followers who will take the rap for violence.

    The ideologue leaders may persist as they may have their separate cash sources. Need to find ways to pinch their leaders. That will also scatter the followers.

    Take away the benefits – includes shutting down the bag-men and payoffs. Also close down the imported-democrat-voters-pipeline of mass immigration. Takes away their source of gaming the election system.

    Would like to see suggestions of other ways to put the screws to the bad guys – now that we have a leader who leads the fight back.

    Thank you President Trump! Soon AG Jeff Sessions will be actually enforcing law. Our team is growing, gaining strength.

  149. @jtgw
    Ah OK. Still, the First Amendment only guarantees that you can speak your mind and not go to jail. It doesn't guarantee that you can speak your mind and keep your job.

    Ah OK. Still, the First Amendment only guarantees that you can speak your mind and not go to jail.

    Actually, it doesn’t do even that. It says, “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech.” It says nothing about state governments.

  150. @Sean
    Taking a concealed firearm to a confrontational demonstration in the knowledge you can inveigle someone into attacking you and shoot them without coming under fire from half a dozen guns is something that can only work once. The Greensboro massacre was started when someone, unclear on what side, fired a gun.

    Going to a demonstration violates all three rules of “stupid.”
    1. Don’t go stupid places
    2. Don’t hang with stupid people
    3. Don’t do stupid things.

    Mass demonstrations are for the mass-minded.

  151. @eah
    OT

    I wonder if he sent a thank you note to Obama:

    Michigan Man Whose Drug Sentence Commuted By Obama Is Shot Dead

    A man whose drug-related prison sentence was commuted in November by President Barack Obama has been fatally shot at a federal halfway house in Michigan...Two men wearing masks went into Bannum Place in Saginaw on Monday night with plans to kill 31-year-old Damarlon Thomas, a former Saginaw gang member...“One person watched over a group of them while another subject located the victim and executed him,”...“This was a very targeted individual, for whatever reason,"...

    Damn, I wonder what the story is behind that–clearly his enemies were waiting a long time for him on the outside, but couldn’t get to him in prison.

  152. @candid_observer
    Laws forbidding such things as wearing masks go against my libertarian streak.

    But I do think that the Hatch Act generally is more than reasonable: governmental employees must forgo certain types of political activities.

    As an egregious example, here's a Secret Service employee who really should be fired:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senior-secret-service-agent-suggests-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump/article/2612814

    One of the consequences of the self-induced mass hysteria of the left is that they really do believe now that the usual rules of government and citizenship simply don't apply to them anymore -- because, of course, of Trump. They utterly lack the self-awareness to see that the justification for their flouting these rules is entirely in their own head -- that, for example, there's no rational path that gets you from Trump's "grabbing p*ssy" comment to abandoning your duty as a Secret Service agent to protecting the President.

    Most government employees can write what they want on their own time, take part in protests, etc. But there are classes that can’t. The SS lady should probably lose her job, because the last thing on Earth we need is for the SS to be getting involved in domestic politics.

  153. @AKAHorace
    Whatever the law, Trump is better off letting the people riot, their antics are good publicity for him.

    Peaceful protests like the womens’ march don’t look good for him, but idiots rioting and burning stuff probably increases support for him.

  154. @Abe

    There’s certainly a lot of hostility to Trump among women, particularly outside the US. So it isn’t going to be hard to get a lot of women to protest against him. Here in Australia, even some racialist working class women that I’ve talked to think he’s a bit of an a-hole.
     
    My niece, who's very church-y despite having all her kids out-of-wedlock (she lives with her common law "husband" if that is any consolation) did not like Hillary at all, but could not- publicly at least- bring herself to endorse Trump. The again, my down-n-out sister-in-law, whose socio-economic status would go up several notches if some Hell's Angel made her the biker-b!tch momma she was born to be- voted for Trump.

    Again, no need to worry too much about this, as it will almost certainly come to naught. Trump ALREADY won a majority of white women after a concerted, colluded psy-ops campaign against him, so barring any particularly egregious behavior in the White House, he has nowhere to go but up. Plus he has a very nice-looking family, and just the glam aspects of the Trump brand should start paying dividends soon.

    But above all, please remember most women are hostages and victims of the anti-white, anti-Western, anti-cishet mind control waves propagated by our totally POZ'd culture, and I am tired of the guys on here bashing them for something out of their control. When that white female Idaho DNC chair contender pleads that she "needs to be schooled" (I remember some white female activist from another story years ago using the exact same language- "I need to be educated!" in a tone that somehow combined both bossiness and abject humiliation) that is really a plea for help from you, yes, you- white man! It's like she's sending out Morse code with her eye flutters- "I'm trapped and I can't do anything because I don't want to be shamed or shunned or disliked, but I really hate what's happening. Help. Won't you man-up and please help?"

    The probability of a sex scandal is probably a lot lower for 70 year old guy than for a 50 year old. Trump’s likely failure node with female voters is probably his tendency to spout off on mike or on Twitter, and say something that pisses a lot of women off.

    The pussy-grabbing comment was pretty damaging to him, thanks to the large number of women who have been groped by the occasional creep and are still pissed off about it. You can kinda imagine some similar thing coming out, but I wouldn’t expect it to be nearly as offensive as that comment.

    • Agree: snorlax
  155. Here’s an idea. Instead of passing more laws limiting our American freedoms, why not enforce the laws WE ALREADY HAVE! Duh.

    • Replies: @melendwyr
    My very first response to this was "Yes! This is what should be done!" but then I thought about some of the stupid laws we have. Unintended consequences, indeed.

    I bet there are people who would get a real kick out of greater enforcement of laws in the name of 'reform' that resulted in stupid, ignored laws being dusted off and applied.
  156. @Alden
    Translation: just lie down and die and let the savages take over.

    I hear you, Alden, and understand your point. I think we have alternatives to political violence. Also, as someone who has been publicly active on politics and policy in years past (not currently), I feel that protecting the political culture helps protect those leaders who are exposed. Recently in Germany, politically-motivated attacks on cars, businesses and homes have been exchanged by left and right.

    I understand it’s a struggle, and some violence is inevitable. But I am in no rush to the civil war some (not necessarily you) seem to welcome.

  157. This law already exists; it was geared toward highwaymen or wayward gov’t officials, but there’s no reason it can’t be applied to rioters, who after all are basically highwaymen operating under urban cover.

    18 U.S. Code § 241 – Conspiracy against rights

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

    If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

    If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

    They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

    [emphasis mine]

  158. @(((Owen)))
    We could use an anti-headscarf law also, like the one the French won't enforce, only with teeth. It would let people know who's welcome and who isn't.

    Though we'd need an exception for authentic organic American Moslems (NOI).

    Call me a paranoid privacy freak but we need to cut the shit and admit we’re already a police state and a weird sort of decentralized oligarchy. I guess like a federated oligarchy, or something.

    This is just another excuse/reason/whatever to allow cameras everywhere and into everything.

    Not that I have something to hide but Big Brother scares me more than some idiots burning a commercial district in a big city I’ve never been to.

  159. @Anonymous
    Yeah, it's so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

    The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.
     

    “Yeah, it’s so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:”

    Leftists shoot people all of the time. Last time I checked Chicago for example votes monolithically Democrat.

  160. @IndieRafael
    Fortunately, Observer also ran a well-argued counter piece today (http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/) in which Michael Malice says:

    One can’t fight a coarsening culture by ratcheting up the antagonism and aggression. Once violence becomes normalized as a means of political discourse, that on its face is a fascist society.... A nation where political assault is the norm is democracy at its crisis stage. There are far better ways to effect change, no matter how good they might feel.
     

    Thank you, IndieRafael, for the Malice quote and reference. I absolutely agree with him.

    The group, which was to become the Brown Shirts, first appeared as a loosely knit group of thugs who brawled and used their fists to intimidate people. Early fascists, like a young Hitler, recruited them with emotional demogogy whereupon they eventually began openly attacking people on the streets in addition to storming stages and physically assaulting the participants, which ended the events and discussion.

    The intellectual and emotional IQs of the U.S. have sunk to an unbelievable low partly because current communication, largely sound bite-technology like Twitter, allows an individual to proclaim anything and, ultimately, run from that statement very much like placing a mask upon one’s face and going to an demonstration, with the objective to stop and impede the movement of free people, allows that individual to run from responsibility for their actions. The ease of communication allows emotions to determine discussion much as the brawlers became reframed by their emotions.

    We have emotionally stunted individuals who can “bravely” initiate actions, hit Spencer on the side of the head or tweet maligning remarks about a 10 year-old boy, who just happens to the new President’s son, and then run like the wind from their actions.

    We need more people to speak against these actions in clear and coherent terms so, thank you, Mr.Malice.

    When Elliot wrote in “The Hollow Men,”

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    I had no idea he was referring to the American republic.

    • Replies: @guest
    Your description of the rise of the brownshirts leaves out the essential ingredient: that it was gang warfare. They weren't just intimidating people they disagreed with into silence. They were fighting other political gangs who did the same thing. And, in fact, the other side started it.

    So that quote in the other post is misleading at best. "Fascist" may be what is popularly used to describe the politics of normalized violence short of open warfare, or however you want to put it. But that's partly because "fascism" is a grossly abused term. We've had political violence throughout American history, some of it considered more or less normal, and very little of it ever called fascist. It would be quite appropriate to call the black power movement, for instance, fascist, but no one did. (Or very few, anyway.)

    This presumed special relationship between fascism and violence is historically ignorant. That's what tricks us into thinking, for instance, Hitler wanted to conquer the world and FDR didn't.

  161. @Lot
    Coal is nowhere near the majority of US electricity. It peaked around 56% in the mid 80s, is now about 30%, and dropping quickly.

    I stand old and corrected. My updated research reveals natural gas produces the vast majority of electrity in California. Petroleum and uranium the most nationally. Those are of course infinitely renewable and produce no pollution, unlike coal. Touché for the hippies.

  162. @Anonymous
    Yeah, it's so bad that leftists are punching Nazis. Meanwhile, rightists are actually shooting people:

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

    The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.
     

    Apparently after he was assaulted several times by leftists, he shot someone in self-defense. If that’s the way it went down, good. Maybe the rioters/so-called protesters will learn a lesson.

  163. A brilliant piece of legislation.

    I imagine it went something like this…

    Canadian 1: Some rioters destroyed some property!
    Canadian 2: That’s illegal! That means we can put them in jail!
    C1: Yes, but unfortunately they were masked. We can’t identify them, so we can’t put them in jail. What do we do?
    C2: I’ve got it! Make masks illegal among people who are doing illegal things! That way, they will be doing something illegal, so we can put them in jail!
    C1: …

    (Hint: I’m trying to say that this law makes no sense.)

    • Replies: @guest
    "Hint: I'm trying to say that this law makes no sense"

    You're not doing a very good job.

  164. @TWS
    The next time you find a decent person doing that let me know.

    I’ve found one, and I’m reasonably certain there are more.

    • Replies: @TWS
    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/02/01/berkeley-braces-for-protests-at-yiannopoulos-talk/

    Tell me more. You're a fool or a liar.

    Any time you can make this ridiculous claim I can counter with a violent, leftist demonstration with mask wearing criminals. I am busy so it might take a bit for me to notice your knavery but I'll get around to it. The fact that we both know of more riots, not rioters but riots, than your decent mask wearers tells us both you're a fool.

  165. @TerryC
    Here's an idea. Instead of passing more laws limiting our American freedoms, why not enforce the laws WE ALREADY HAVE! Duh.

    My very first response to this was “Yes! This is what should be done!” but then I thought about some of the stupid laws we have. Unintended consequences, indeed.

    I bet there are people who would get a real kick out of greater enforcement of laws in the name of ‘reform’ that resulted in stupid, ignored laws being dusted off and applied.

  166. @Anonymous IX
    Thank you, IndieRafael, for the Malice quote and reference. I absolutely agree with him.

    The group, which was to become the Brown Shirts, first appeared as a loosely knit group of thugs who brawled and used their fists to intimidate people. Early fascists, like a young Hitler, recruited them with emotional demogogy whereupon they eventually began openly attacking people on the streets in addition to storming stages and physically assaulting the participants, which ended the events and discussion.

    The intellectual and emotional IQs of the U.S. have sunk to an unbelievable low partly because current communication, largely sound bite-technology like Twitter, allows an individual to proclaim anything and, ultimately, run from that statement very much like placing a mask upon one's face and going to an demonstration, with the objective to stop and impede the movement of free people, allows that individual to run from responsibility for their actions. The ease of communication allows emotions to determine discussion much as the brawlers became reframed by their emotions.

    We have emotionally stunted individuals who can "bravely" initiate actions, hit Spencer on the side of the head or tweet maligning remarks about a 10 year-old boy, who just happens to the new President's son, and then run like the wind from their actions.

    We need more people to speak against these actions in clear and coherent terms so, thank you, Mr.Malice.

    When Elliot wrote in "The Hollow Men,"

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    I had no idea he was referring to the American republic.

    Your description of the rise of the brownshirts leaves out the essential ingredient: that it was gang warfare. They weren’t just intimidating people they disagreed with into silence. They were fighting other political gangs who did the same thing. And, in fact, the other side started it.

    So that quote in the other post is misleading at best. “Fascist” may be what is popularly used to describe the politics of normalized violence short of open warfare, or however you want to put it. But that’s partly because “fascism” is a grossly abused term. We’ve had political violence throughout American history, some of it considered more or less normal, and very little of it ever called fascist. It would be quite appropriate to call the black power movement, for instance, fascist, but no one did. (Or very few, anyway.)

    This presumed special relationship between fascism and violence is historically ignorant. That’s what tricks us into thinking, for instance, Hitler wanted to conquer the world and FDR didn’t.

  167. @RCB
    A brilliant piece of legislation.

    I imagine it went something like this...

    Canadian 1: Some rioters destroyed some property!
    Canadian 2: That's illegal! That means we can put them in jail!
    C1: Yes, but unfortunately they were masked. We can't identify them, so we can't put them in jail. What do we do?
    C2: I've got it! Make masks illegal among people who are doing illegal things! That way, they will be doing something illegal, so we can put them in jail!
    C1: ...

    (Hint: I'm trying to say that this law makes no sense.)

    “Hint: I’m trying to say that this law makes no sense”

    You’re not doing a very good job.

  168. @melendwyr
    I've found one, and I'm reasonably certain there are more.

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/02/01/berkeley-braces-for-protests-at-yiannopoulos-talk/

    Tell me more. You’re a fool or a liar.

    Any time you can make this ridiculous claim I can counter with a violent, leftist demonstration with mask wearing criminals. I am busy so it might take a bit for me to notice your knavery but I’ll get around to it. The fact that we both know of more riots, not rioters but riots, than your decent mask wearers tells us both you’re a fool.

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