The coach of the American national soccer team, former German superstar Jurgen Klinsmann, has a strategy to fill the team up with Milli Vanilli-type exotics: part-black dual German-American citizens, descendants of American servicemen in West Germany who were raised by their German mothers. His idea is to get black nature and German nurture.
“”””””””””””””””It’s pretty clever. Will it work?””””””””””””””””””
Sure, why not? It already works among European/some S.American nations (e.g. those that finish in the quarter, semi and finals of the WC every 4yrs) and most of them are comprised of majority white rosters.
Also, it tends to work for the US Women’s National Team as well.
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It depends on your definition of “work”. Will this make US team a world champions? – no. Will it result in a better team overall? – very well might. Team USA is in the absolutely worst possible group – two European teams that are perpetual contenders for a medal and an African team that is consistently in Top 4 in Africa. Just getting out of that group would be an unbelievable achievement.
And the genius is if this new-style U.S. team fails to make quarters, we can just… blame it on the rain!
Interestingly, former NFL Jets coach Herman Edwards was of this lineage. Also, what does “raised by their mothers” mean? That the dads simply absconded like they do in the U.S.?
“‘This always happens in America,’ Klinsmann told me, waving his hands in the air. ‘Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?’”
“He came back, and he was playing in M.L.S., and people say, ‘Oh, he’s playing well,’ but what does that really mean? This is where M.L.S. hurts him. He was playing at 70 percent, 80 percent, and he was still dominant. That doesn’t help anyone.”
“I watched the games. What was I supposed to say? That he was good? He was not good. Not then. No way. So he had to wait.”
That’s pretty common for even good European teams. Take players you need on a technicality. Loaded Spain added Costa, who is naturally S. American, I believe.
Steve, I know this new blog thing just got underway but I don’t like that there are so few comments on all the posts. Maybe you put up too many of them at once?
What do you think explains the fall off? I’ve read most of the new posts and there are few comments on any.
For a sport where the public mostly pays attention once every four years, there’s something to be said for taking the most famous name in American soccer for one last hurrah, especially if you don’t think you’ll even make it to the round of 16.
It’s better to have good players and good team play than players of a particular ethnicity. Go watch what all-white Denmark did to Nigeria in 1998. Does Spain — perhaps the most dominant team of the last few years — have any black players? Germany occasionally has one or two, also now, but they have never been the best or even very important to the team.
Klinsmann seemed to get a lot of credit for Germany’s 3rd place in 2006, but I could never really understand why, since Germany is usually pretty good, and expectations are high. He then flopped embarrassingly at Bayern München.
For 2014, by all appearances the US is in a tough group, with mostly players with little international experience. It will be a surprise if they do not lose all 3 group matches.
“especially if you don’t think you’ll even make it to the round of 16″
He’s building this team for the next WC; this is just the practice round. He did the same in Germany, eliminating the famous-but-aging players, in favor of giving some younger guys experience, in order to have a fighting chance the next round.
His whole game is very long-term because he wants to take home an actual cup. There’s a reason why everyone loves this guy. He’s in it to win and he doesn’t put up with grandstanding. I suspect he sometimes drops players so that they have time to eat some humble pie. It’s all about the team, with him.
As for your article, it’s just such a mixed-race heavy team because most US dual-citizens are Army brats. I doubt that was intentional and the more interesting question is why mixed-race Army brats outnumber white ones in the European clubs.
“but I could never really understand why, since Germany is usually pretty good”
Because everyone could see that we were running up against a talent wall, and Klinsmann came in and got us over it. People were already declaring German national soccer DOA and he got the fans openly crying tears of joy in the streets and driving up and down the town waving German flags and honking. Nobody had seen anything like that since das Wunder von Bern.
He gave us back our national soccer pride and even raised the overall patriotism. That was the first time in my life that I felt proud to be a German, and many Germans my age feel the same way. The younger team also drew in a younger generation of fans. What he accomplished took over eight years of hard work and dogged perserverance.
If y’all don’t want him, we’d be glad to take him back.
I think some see this move as a look-a-head to the following 2018 Olympics, as well. Why not start enforcing the team concept and youth movement now?
Those advocating to keep Donovan because “he is a star” remind me of what David Stern did to the NBA. He shamelessly promoted stars at the expense of team play and ruined the league for me for about 20 years.
Serbia tried something like this by attempting to naturalize a Brazilian, Cleo, a few years ago. After all, Croatia had their own Brazilizn, Eduardo, who became a Croatian by way of marriage. Alas UEFA put the kibosh on that idea by raising the time required for citizenship against Serbia. By the time he would be allowed to join the team he would be ready to retire.
“Well, now I know which team I absolutely won’t be cheering on.”
You’re not going to root for the American team because they’re not white? I’ve seen your blog, and I’m not surprised, but it still seems a little excessive.
Look, I’m not generally a fan of ‘diversity’, particularly with multiculturalists trying to encourage them to be disloyal, but as long as we’ve got people here we should try to assimilate them and make the best of the situation. (We are actually a lot better at this than the Europeans if we actually try.) If you play for the American team, you represent the USA. I’m not rooting for another country in a soccer game against the USA.
I actually think it might be good for the USA team to be bad, though, for another reason. Simply put, there are lots of Latin American countries that resent the heck out of us but think ‘well, at least we can beat them in soccer’. If we take that away from them, it may increase anti-American sentiment–Latin Americans take their soccer pretty seriously. And Latin America may not be powerful, but it is in our backyard. I could easily see China making overtures to Brazil if we beat them in soccer or something. Better to let them whip us at something like sports that isn’t really important to the long-term future of our nation.
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC says 4.9 million viewers tuned in to watch U.S. English-language coverage Sunday of the 10 matches on the final day of the English Premier League season.
The total was up 172 percent from the previous high of 1.8 million for coverage on the last day of the 2011-12 season on ESPN2 and nine Fox networks. NBC said Tuesday the figures include anyone who watched at least 6 minutes.
The combined average viewership of the games on 10 NBCUniversal networks was 1.8 million, up 107 percent from 869,000 on the final day in 2011-12.
In data released Tuesday, NBC said 31.5 million viewers saw Premier League coverage on its networks this season, up from 13.3 million last year, when U.S. rights were shared by Fox and ESPN.
NBC and NBCSN averaged 438,000 viewers, up 99 percent from last season’s combined average of 220,000 on ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox Soccer.
The three most-watched games were on NBC: Cardiff-Swansea on Feb. 8 (1.24 million), Swansea-Manchester United on Jan. 11 (1.1 million) and Manchester United-Crystal Palace on Feb. 22 (1.06 million).
The top-rated market for NBC and NBCSN combined was Washington, D.C., followed by New York; Baltimore; Boston; Seattle; Richmond, Virginia; San Francisco-Oakland; Norfolk, Virginia; Providence, Rhode Island; Philadelphia; and Chicago.
What he accomplished took over eight years of hard work and dogged perserverance.
Quite the trick on his part — he only took the job in 2004.
He gave us back our national soccer pride and even raised the overall patriotism. That was the first time in my life that I felt proud to be a German, and many Germans my age feel the same way.
At the risk of being called anti-American , Team USA could have drawn the group Australia has drawn (USA and Australia were in the same pool for the draw ) -that is Spain, Netherlands and Chile
I’d say the vast majority of folk who are not Americans would consider that a more difficult group. But I do realize that this is an American site and no American would accept that view
Team USA could have drawn the group Australia has drawn (USA and Australia were in the same pool for the draw ) -that is Spain, Netherlands and Chile
I’d say the vast majority of folk who are not Americans would consider that a more difficult group. But I do realize that this is an American site and no American would accept that view
It’s as difficult a group as the one that has Germany, Portugal and Ghana. Chile is not a soccer powerhouse in Latin America is one difference. The rest is about equal – as of today, there is no way to tell who’d win in a tournament that consists only of Germany, Holland, Portugal and Spain competing.
Yeah, it’s pathetic, but Germans aren’t allowed to express national pride without being suspected of trying to take over the world. Even waving the flags was a novel experience for most of us. I painted the stripes on my cheeks, sang along to the anthem, and felt like a rebel. Amis can’t understand what a defining moment that was for us.
As for the eight years, this guy didn’t come out of nowhere, coach for two years, and then disappear. He’s been a major influence in the team for over a decade, which is why they hired him even though he no longer lived in Germany.
Needs to be a double fence, separated by about 100 feet full of sensors, with the border patrol patrolling between them, so that even if somebody breaches or gets over the first, they are sitting ducks while trying to breach the second.
When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of mi...
Our whole world as we know it is held together entirely by ideas and concepts that are 99%+ discredited. If they admit one black racial hate crime then that means blacks can be racist, racial animus is real and you can't blame it all on White people, races are different and incompatible... the wh...
Technical term is AAVE, African-American Vernacular English. It actually has a few features Standard English doesn't--phases for describing different parts of an action in the present, for example.
Section 8 and the recent spate of "fair housing" edicts have made avoiding "crime" and finding good public schools more challenging than just moving it to the right the zip code.
That’s about $2.5 million per mile. A very effective fence....It’s basically built with rebar and razor wire,”
This will never fly in America. Not enough opportunities for graft. We need around 700 more miles of fence, so that's less than $2 billion. The F-35 program will cost $1.5 TR...
Los Angeles has lots and lots of flat neighborhoods, but gentrifiers have typically shunned them for a lack of borders. This seems like a coordination problem that social media could overcome.
Straights inta Compton.
Well, it's usually gays first until the coast is clear.
“it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.” – I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.
That is in God's hands. We don't know. Revival can spring up afresh at any time...
Isn't "gentrification" a microaggression?
No, seriously. Based as it is on the word "gentry," meaning "people of education and good breeding," doesn't it perfectly fit the definition of something "that has no malicious intent, but that can be interpreted as 'hostile or destructive'?"
More broa...
The “barrier” fence between Israel and Egypt was built from 2011 to 2013 after thousands of Africans surged in...
A wall to keep out Africans? Africans? How racist is that? Quick, somebody call the New York Times so that they can do a front-page report on the racist Israeli fence!
Union Ironworkers make between $65 to $125 an hour. Much of our wall must be pre-cast in the factory or the cost will be staggering.
Frankly, these could be manufactured easily with welding robots.
"cranberries, blueberries, moose" - all these were also native to Europe.
"The turkeys the Pilgrims ate were the wild turkeys of New England, not the domestic fowl of Mexico." - No, they later cross bread the wild turkeys with Mexican ones they brought form England.
"Maple syrup" - it was Ca...
“This perception is fascinating, as it stands in stark contrast to data on almost any outcome that has been assessed,” the researchers, Samuel Sommers and Michael Norton, wrote on the Post Everything blog in July. “From life expectancy to school discipline to mortgage rejection to police us...
Those White SOBs.
They move into a neighborhood and drive up property values.
OK I get it about cleaning the trash out of the yard when they move in, but they even do BS like planting flowers.
What is it with those people? ;)
It can only be a brutal and “effective” (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from o...
On a positive note, the reactions to the piece in the comments section at WaPo is overwhelmingly negative, to both the writer and his opinions.
The word "hack", as in the writer is a hack or the piece is a hack job, is coming up alot.
Oh, I get it. Racism is determined by direction. If you're running AWAY from high-crime areas, it's Racism. If you're running TOWARD places with low (or falling) crime, it's Gentrification, which is permissible.
Maybe instead of "white flight," we should call it "gentrifying the countryside."
I watched that video, and I have watched other videos of blacks going feral, and for the life of me I usually cannot understand more than 3 or 4 stray words in the dialogue. Young, feral, urban black youth really are speaking a new, distinct language.
Well... people of different intelligence ...
There is (surprisingly) little spillover (at least in murders) from the black community to the white. 1,000 black people can kill each other on the South Side and it won't affect the people living in Lincoln Park.
"The BBC report ends with:
“The incident has provoked a strong reaction on Twitter, especially among the alt-right – the fringe group that celebrated US President-elect Trump’s election win with Nazi salutes.”
So the BBC believes if you are against special needs White people being kid...
NY and LA (and DC for politics) suck up all the celebrity oxygen and it's only gotten worse (back in the early days of TV there were shows that originated in Chicago, Philadelphia, etc.) just as it seemed (until Trump) that in recent years all Presidents, all S. Ct Justices, etc. had to come onl...
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“”””””””””””””””It’s pretty clever. Will it work?””””””””””””””””””
Sure, why not? It already works among European/some S.American nations (e.g. those that finish in the quarter, semi and finals of the WC every 4yrs) and most of them are comprised of majority white rosters.
Also, it tends to work for the US Women’s National Team as well.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/americas-milli-vanilli-world-cup-team/#comment-565026
It depends on your definition of “work”. Will this make US team a world champions? – no. Will it result in a better team overall? – very well might. Team USA is in the absolutely worst possible group – two European teams that are perpetual contenders for a medal and an African team that is consistently in Top 4 in Africa. Just getting out of that group would be an unbelievable achievement.
And the genius is if this new-style U.S. team fails to make quarters, we can just… blame it on the rain!
Interestingly, former NFL Jets coach Herman Edwards was of this lineage. Also, what does “raised by their mothers” mean? That the dads simply absconded like they do in the U.S.?
Did you see his comments regarding the Landon Donovan cut? He made an interesting, if cold, comment. I guess that’s the German way:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jurgen-klinsmann-donovan-cut-2014-6
“‘This always happens in America,’ Klinsmann told me, waving his hands in the air. ‘Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?’”
“He came back, and he was playing in M.L.S., and people say, ‘Oh, he’s playing well,’ but what does that really mean? This is where M.L.S. hurts him. He was playing at 70 percent, 80 percent, and he was still dominant. That doesn’t help anyone.”
“I watched the games. What was I supposed to say? That he was good? He was not good. Not then. No way. So he had to wait.”
That’s pretty common for even good European teams. Take players you need on a technicality. Loaded Spain added Costa, who is naturally S. American, I believe.
Steve, I know this new blog thing just got underway but I don’t like that there are so few comments on all the posts. Maybe you put up too many of them at once?
What do you think explains the fall off? I’ve read most of the new posts and there are few comments on any.
For a sport where the public mostly pays attention once every four years, there’s something to be said for taking the most famous name in American soccer for one last hurrah, especially if you don’t think you’ll even make it to the round of 16.
Well, now I know which team I absolutely won’t be cheering on.
It’s better to have good players and good team play than players of a particular ethnicity. Go watch what all-white Denmark did to Nigeria in 1998. Does Spain — perhaps the most dominant team of the last few years — have any black players? Germany occasionally has one or two, also now, but they have never been the best or even very important to the team.
Klinsmann seemed to get a lot of credit for Germany’s 3rd place in 2006, but I could never really understand why, since Germany is usually pretty good, and expectations are high. He then flopped embarrassingly at Bayern München.
For 2014, by all appearances the US is in a tough group, with mostly players with little international experience. It will be a surprise if they do not lose all 3 group matches.
I don’t think the number of new posts has affected the comments.
Maybe ask Ron to install Disqus. This commenting system is worse on mobile than the native Blogger one you were using at iSteve.
Good for Klinsmann. The issue with Donovan, apparently, is that his head isn’t in the game anymore.
“especially if you don’t think you’ll even make it to the round of 16″
He’s building this team for the next WC; this is just the practice round. He did the same in Germany, eliminating the famous-but-aging players, in favor of giving some younger guys experience, in order to have a fighting chance the next round.
His whole game is very long-term because he wants to take home an actual cup. There’s a reason why everyone loves this guy. He’s in it to win and he doesn’t put up with grandstanding. I suspect he sometimes drops players so that they have time to eat some humble pie. It’s all about the team, with him.
As for your article, it’s just such a mixed-race heavy team because most US dual-citizens are Army brats. I doubt that was intentional and the more interesting question is why mixed-race Army brats outnumber white ones in the European clubs.
“but I could never really understand why, since Germany is usually pretty good”
Because everyone could see that we were running up against a talent wall, and Klinsmann came in and got us over it. People were already declaring German national soccer DOA and he got the fans openly crying tears of joy in the streets and driving up and down the town waving German flags and honking. Nobody had seen anything like that since das Wunder von Bern.
He gave us back our national soccer pride and even raised the overall patriotism. That was the first time in my life that I felt proud to be a German, and many Germans my age feel the same way. The younger team also drew in a younger generation of fans. What he accomplished took over eight years of hard work and dogged perserverance.
If y’all don’t want him, we’d be glad to take him back.
I think some see this move as a look-a-head to the following 2018 Olympics, as well. Why not start enforcing the team concept and youth movement now?
Those advocating to keep Donovan because “he is a star” remind me of what David Stern did to the NBA. He shamelessly promoted stars at the expense of team play and ruined the league for me for about 20 years.
Serbia tried something like this by attempting to naturalize a Brazilian, Cleo, a few years ago. After all, Croatia had their own Brazilizn, Eduardo, who became a Croatian by way of marriage. Alas UEFA put the kibosh on that idea by raising the time required for citizenship against Serbia. By the time he would be allowed to join the team he would be ready to retire.
The Dutch team that won Euro 88 had a number of players that were half black half Dutch.
“Well, now I know which team I absolutely won’t be cheering on.”
You’re not going to root for the American team because they’re not white? I’ve seen your blog, and I’m not surprised, but it still seems a little excessive.
Look, I’m not generally a fan of ‘diversity’, particularly with multiculturalists trying to encourage them to be disloyal, but as long as we’ve got people here we should try to assimilate them and make the best of the situation. (We are actually a lot better at this than the Europeans if we actually try.) If you play for the American team, you represent the USA. I’m not rooting for another country in a soccer game against the USA.
I actually think it might be good for the USA team to be bad, though, for another reason. Simply put, there are lots of Latin American countries that resent the heck out of us but think ‘well, at least we can beat them in soccer’. If we take that away from them, it may increase anti-American sentiment–Latin Americans take their soccer pretty seriously. And Latin America may not be powerful, but it is in our backyard. I could easily see China making overtures to Brazil if we beat them in soccer or something. Better to let them whip us at something like sports that isn’t really important to the long-term future of our nation.
Any thoughts?
Klinsmann has been consulting with the Chamber of Commerce apparently to solve his own labour shortage.
PS Doesn’t this overlook the fact that most of the greats of the game have been European?
So, what is the implication?
NYT implicitly believes that blacks are naturally better at running and that whites are naturally better at management(or using brains)?
Doesn’t that point to racial differences?
“For a sport where the public mostly pays attention once every four years”
How long will this be true? Is soccer going to be bigger than the NHL (probably) or NBA (could happen) … ?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2014/05/13/nbc-says-4-9m-in-us-watch-premier-league-last-day/9056437/
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC says 4.9 million viewers tuned in to watch U.S. English-language coverage Sunday of the 10 matches on the final day of the English Premier League season.
The total was up 172 percent from the previous high of 1.8 million for coverage on the last day of the 2011-12 season on ESPN2 and nine Fox networks. NBC said Tuesday the figures include anyone who watched at least 6 minutes.
The combined average viewership of the games on 10 NBCUniversal networks was 1.8 million, up 107 percent from 869,000 on the final day in 2011-12.
In data released Tuesday, NBC said 31.5 million viewers saw Premier League coverage on its networks this season, up from 13.3 million last year, when U.S. rights were shared by Fox and ESPN.
NBC and NBCSN averaged 438,000 viewers, up 99 percent from last season’s combined average of 220,000 on ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox Soccer.
The three most-watched games were on NBC: Cardiff-Swansea on Feb. 8 (1.24 million), Swansea-Manchester United on Jan. 11 (1.1 million) and Manchester United-Crystal Palace on Feb. 22 (1.06 million).
The top-rated market for NBC and NBCSN combined was Washington, D.C., followed by New York; Baltimore; Boston; Seattle; Richmond, Virginia; San Francisco-Oakland; Norfolk, Virginia; Providence, Rhode Island; Philadelphia; and Chicago.
What he accomplished took over eight years of hard work and dogged perserverance.
Quite the trick on his part — he only took the job in 2004.
He gave us back our national soccer pride and even raised the overall patriotism. That was the first time in my life that I felt proud to be a German, and many Germans my age feel the same way.
There’s something awfully pathetic about that.
There’s something awfully pathetic about that.
But entirely predictable. They’ve been subjected to denazification for the past 69 years.
“There’s something awfully pathetic about that.”
Lol.
“Well, now I know which team I absolutely won’t be cheering on.”
Wow, I can’t believe you won’t be cheering for England, your pseudo-birthplace.
At the risk of being called anti-American , Team USA could have drawn the group Australia has drawn (USA and Australia were in the same pool for the draw ) -that is Spain, Netherlands and Chile
I’d say the vast majority of folk who are not Americans would consider that a more difficult group. But I do realize that this is an American site and no American would accept that view
Team USA could have drawn the group Australia has drawn (USA and Australia were in the same pool for the draw ) -that is Spain, Netherlands and Chile
I’d say the vast majority of folk who are not Americans would consider that a more difficult group. But I do realize that this is an American site and no American would accept that view
It’s as difficult a group as the one that has Germany, Portugal and Ghana. Chile is not a soccer powerhouse in Latin America is one difference. The rest is about equal – as of today, there is no way to tell who’d win in a tournament that consists only of Germany, Holland, Portugal and Spain competing.
Yeah, it’s pathetic, but Germans aren’t allowed to express national pride without being suspected of trying to take over the world. Even waving the flags was a novel experience for most of us. I painted the stripes on my cheeks, sang along to the anthem, and felt like a rebel. Amis can’t understand what a defining moment that was for us.
As for the eight years, this guy didn’t come out of nowhere, coach for two years, and then disappear. He’s been a major influence in the team for over a decade, which is why they hired him even though he no longer lived in Germany.