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America's Demographic Cuckolding

From Commenter ABN:

A couple of points:

1. Amnesty in exchange for having anchor babies is simply the reductio ad absurdum of an idea that conservatives have stupidly gone along with–the idea that children should be viewed as morally independent from their parents, and from the actions of their parents. Any Neanderthal could have told you that children exist by, for, and of the parents and tribes whence they come. But as Steve says, what goes unsaid eventually goes unthought, so now the Respectable Right lacks even the language to articulate the fact that America is being demographically cuckolded.

Do we even have the language anymore to articulate the concept of being personally cuckolded? Is the word “cuckold” even in current circulation?

Come to think of it, the leadership of the Respectable Right has lost the ability to express anything that isn’t Whiggish, universalist liberalism.

Here’s a question: in John Milius’s 1984 Red Dawn, you’re watching a low to mid budget teen action fantasy with Charlie Sheen, and it’s pretty okay. But then Patrick Swayze says one four-word line — if you’ve seen the movie, you know what it is — and suddenly you realize you’ve just watched one of the great scenes in movie history. Okay, in the 2012 remake, is that line in movie? I haven’t seen the new movie, but I just watched the trailer and it’s not in that. Nor is it on the memorable quotes page on IMDB. Are they keeping it under wraps to not spoil it? Or did they not use it in the 2012 movie for being insufficiently Proposition Nationy?

2. At what point do Americans get to stop pretending that US citizenship is the same thing as membership in the nation?

I’m trying to think of an analogy for what citizenship is turning into in the conventional wisdom. Qualifying for an American Express card?

Okay, here’s the closest analogy I can come up with for how respectable opinion thinks about illegal immigration: in Romy and Michele’s High School Reunion, Lisa Kudrow and Mira Sorvino are watching Pretty Woman and making fun of the scene where Julia Roberts isn’t allowed to buy clothes at a snooty Rodeo Drive shop because she’s a streetwalker.

Lisa Kudrow: You know, even though we’ve watched Pretty Woman like thirty-six times, I never get tired of making fun of it.

Mira Sorvino: Aw, look, poor thing – they won’t let her shop. Yeah – like those salesgirls in Beverly Hills aren’t bigger whores than she is.

Kudrow: Oh my God, listen to that sad, sad music as she leaves. Like, boo-hoo! … But [a tear wells in her eye] … it is actually kind of sad.

But when the movie gets to the happy ending back at the same boutique, Lisa Kudrow dissolves into happy tears. She explains:

Kudrow: [Sob] I just get really happy when they finally let her shop.

 
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  1. “Is the word “cuckold” even in current circulation?”

    You should definitely google that.

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  2. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    At what point do Americans get to stop pretending that US citizenship is the same thing as membership in the nation?

    “America” hasn’t been a nation since some time in the 19th century.

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  3. A quote of your quote in your linked story:

    “There’s only one example in 4,000 years of Chinese territorial adventurism, and that was in 1979, when they invaded Vietnam, and to put it mildly they got their [butts] handed to them,“ says Milius, noting that China built a wall to separate itself from invaders. “Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We’re a market.

    That is pretty much my view of China. There are a lot of angles with them, cultural arrogance for one thing.

    But I really believe they don’t want to rule the world. They just want to be filthy stinking rich.

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    • Replies: @Simon in London
    "But I really believe they don’t want to rule the world. They just want to be filthy stinking rich."

    I think they do see China as slowly expanding over centuries, turning neighbours into vassals, and eventually absorbing them. Places like the Russian Far East, Mongolia, remaining south-east Asia, even the central Asian Republics - in the very long term they see it as natural to expand and incorporate these. The highly nationalist north-east Asian nations of Korea and Japan are usually excluded from the end stage project, from what I can tell - China would like them to be vassals, but does not aim to incorporate them.

    Even if things go according to Chinese teleology it would be thousands of years before they were looking to absorb North America. They would like to see the USA weaker so that it no longer threatens China, but want to keep it as a market. The ideal prospect from the Chinese POV would be for the USA to break up into several nations, if that could be done fairly peacefully - without too much trade disruption - and possibly the emergence of a China-friendly client state on the west coast. But the USA is still much stronger than China, all current Chinese strategic planning re the USA is defensive - how to protect vs the USA militarily and economically while gaining a free hand to act in China's near abroad. As Milius says, the idea of China invading the USA is silly*. Unlike Russia they don't even act to protect ethnic Chinese in their own near-abroad.

    *Of course the idea of North Korea invading the USA is two orders of magnitude even sillier. The remakers should have just created a fictionalised east-Asian Republic, like the Volgan Republic replacing the Soviet Union in 1970s British sf - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgans
  4. That’s the scene that took it out of genre and into statement, and yes I know exactly what you’re talking about. But Swayze didn’t respond coldly. He responded passionately.

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  5. In my lifetime citizenship has become the antonymous concept to a college diploma, with the former always assumed to be a random, unearned rubber stamp, while the latter is more sacred & meritocratically deserved, even now that they graduate 98-plus percent within 5 yrs.

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  6. “I’m trying to think of an analogy for what citizenship is turning into in the conventional wisdom. Having an American Express card?”

    There are now distinct categories of citizenship in the US:

    1. For Americans who don’t have the qualifications to get a work or investor’s visa from another country:

    US Citizenship is what makes us stay here; it’s what forces us to pay First World prices to people who want to pay us Third World wages (if they employ us at all; they try to avoid that);

    2. For newcomers and the elite with visas or citizenship from other countries:

    US citizenship is what allows them to do whatever they want, demand whatever they want from America with no feelings of regret, guilt or fear of consequences. Why should these people worry? — they can leave the US after we’ve paid the bill for their education and everything else.

    So it’s an American Express card that they rack up bills on, but give America’s taxpayers, workforce and consumers to pay.

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  7. Cuckold such a good word. Bastard devious birds, they’re just like some humans. Once we would have been disgusted by such dishonestly but our current elites, the most devious we’ve had for centuries, have no such problem with devious behaviour, reminds them of their own righteous deviousness.

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  8. Is the word “cuckold” even in current circulation?

    One of your commenters seems to be consumed by a cuckold fetish.

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  9. From the online script of “Red Dawn” (2012) this appears to be as close as it gets:

    But when you’re fighting
    in your own backyard,
    when you’re fighting for your family,
    it all hurts a little less
    and makes a little more sense.
    Because for them, this is just a place.
    But for us, this is our home.
    Wolverines!

    http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=red-dawn-2012

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Wow. I wonder how the remake of Gone With the Wind will end?

    Rhett: "Frankly, my dear, I think we may need a little space in our relationship, perhaps see other people?"

  10. @Harry Baldwin
    From the online script of "Red Dawn" (2012) this appears to be as close as it gets:

    But when you're fighting
    in your own backyard,
    when you're fighting for your family,
    it all hurts a little less
    and makes a little more sense.
    Because for them, this is just a place.
    But for us, this is our home.
    Wolverines!


    http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=red-dawn-2012

    Wow. I wonder how the remake of Gone With the Wind will end?

    Rhett: “Frankly, my dear, I think we may need a little space in our relationship, perhaps see other people?”

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  11. All of our major social contracts have been frequently violated, broken or just trampled into nothingness.

    The relationships I am thinking of include that between:

    1. Government and the citizens;
    2. Employers and Employees;
    3. The bonds of love and care between each of us and our fellow citizens;
    4. Worst of all, the bonds of love and care between parent and child. Usually the love is there but the care is not what is should be. That includes neglect and lack of emotional and financial support by noncustodial parents; putting the new boyfriend/girlfriend or the job first all the time, being wrapped up in gadgets and or using money or saying “Yes” all the time to avoid really dealing with issues and feelings.

    If the government and societal conditions listed in #1-3 were much improved, that would help what goes on with #4. Or to put it another way, much of the increased problems with parent-child relationships would improve once we improved the other things.

    So when is anybody in charge in America going to even admit our social contracts must be repaired and revitalized, much less suggest how we can fix them?

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    • Replies: @Cindy
    You have it backwards, my friend. If everyone would roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of #4, the rest of the list would take take care of itself. That's why government works so hard to destroy the family. Strong families don't need big government. We have a responsibility to raise our families well, like you say, but there's no use whatsoever in waiting for government to change to help us to that end. Its whole purpose is antithetical to the purpose of the family.
  12. One flew east, one flew west, hordes tramped over the cuckold’s nest.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    One flew east, one flew west, hordes tramped over the cuckold’s nest.

     

    How about Kuckoldtoa, East of Java?

    Or "runs on Java".

    Or "is addicted to java".
  13. Is that Larry Miller in the movie-within-a-movie? He’s an inherently funny person.

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    • Replies: @Busby
    It is Larry. I've seen his one man show. He mixes martinis on stage. You should listen to his podcast.
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    I suspect the only people saying “cuckold” are performers in very old players or students in English Lit classes for the foreseeable future.

    Maybe I’m wrong, though.

    If any of the guys here can picture the other guys they know saying something that most people would assume was “[notsaying]holder” then maybe “cuckold” can have a second life.

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  15. @Anonymous
    I suspect the only people saying "cuckold" are performers in very old players or students in English Lit classes for the foreseeable future.

    Maybe I'm wrong, though.

    If any of the guys here can picture the other guys they know saying something that most people would assume was "[notsaying]holder" then maybe "cuckold" can have a second life.

    Cupholder?

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  16. Isn’t for your purposes “this is our home” a better slogan than “because we live here.” I think as far as convincing people as opposed to being a badass partisan “because we live here” is pretty susceptible to the rejoinder yea well so do I at the moment amigo. It’s the distinction between a violent and non-violent invasion that makes “home” different from “where I live.” Because we live here only really works polemically against occupiers not settlers. I get that your objections are cinematic not rhetorical, but you seem to be suggesting because we live here as a persuasive battle cry for immigration opponents I don’t really think it is.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    You know, movies are two hours long, so there's enough time to have two separate four-word lines.

    "Because we live here" is amazing in the first movie precisely because it's not carefully wordsmithed. It's what some illiterate Taliban would say in his own language.

  17. @Sam Haysom
    Isn't for your purposes "this is our home" a better slogan than "because we live here." I think as far as convincing people as opposed to being a badass partisan "because we live here" is pretty susceptible to the rejoinder yea well so do I at the moment amigo. It's the distinction between a violent and non-violent invasion that makes "home" different from "where I live." Because we live here only really works polemically against occupiers not settlers. I get that your objections are cinematic not rhetorical, but you seem to be suggesting because we live here as a persuasive battle cry for immigration opponents I don't really think it is.

    You know, movies are two hours long, so there’s enough time to have two separate four-word lines.

    “Because we live here” is amazing in the first movie precisely because it’s not carefully wordsmithed. It’s what some illiterate Taliban would say in his own language.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s what some illiterate Taliban would say in his own language.
     
    Uh, doesn't "Taliban" mean "scholar"? They are dangerous because they can read.
  18. “Wow. I wonder how the remake of Gone With the Wind will end?”

    Scarlett: Frankly, Rhett. I’m tired of your binary patriarchal oppression. I’m awesome and deserve better than you!

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  19. ah, red dawn. I must have watched the 1980s version at least 5 or ten times. That john milius sure had a talent for combining phrase-making dialogue with connections to deeper cultural themes.

    Then I saw they remade the movie, and excitedly watched it. Could not finish it. Junk.

    Of course my thing is WHY. Why do things happen? What forces are involved?

    Why the cultural shift from seeing citizenship as holy to seeing citizenship as something associated with mere documentation?

    But I guess asking WHY makes me a paranoid conspiracy theorist in some minds. Around here it is OK to notice these cultural changes (on liberal online forums, it’s not even OK to notice such cultural shifts. Shhh! Taboo!), but asking why in other places is….frowned upon….

    I should probably just go golfing instead of asking why. And by the way such golf courses are available right down the street. For a totally reasonable fee.

    And such a why-asking paranoid person would probably be a person in need of medications. Medications which, by the way, are available for sale in our local pharmacies. For a totally fair price!

    But I digress…back to “why?”: Whelp, it always helps to follow the money. That’s what us paranoid conspiracist why-asking persons in need of medications always go back to. The money. Follow it.

    You see, kids, in the past, 100 years and more, the white race and culture were devoted to expansion of territory. The more territory under control of washington DC, the more business was available to the corporations and plutocrats who operated in the USA. Fiefdoms of commerce, and all that. So therefore it helped those at the top to have a culture that had pride in citizenship. You were an american, by god! And it was your patriotic duty to go join the army and fight for a patch of land somewhere far from here. And once that patch of land came under domain of washington DC the army and justice system would make it feasible for the american plutocrats and corporations to do business there and sell goods and services there. Goods and services which, by the way, were offered at a totally fair and reasonable price!

    But now things have changed. Almost all of those patches of land have been made safe for western style commerce. Aw shucks! No more need to have the american people have pride in being an american. That whole pride in citizenship thing is obsolete. Serves no purpose.

    Now there is a different game afoot. It’s the cattle ranch game, kids! And it’s lotsa fun, too! Here’s the deal: the thing to do now is to cram as much worker-consumer livestock into america as possible. The more human livestock ya got on the ranch, the higher corporate profits and GDP go.

    Now of course there are obstacles to achieving this goal of maximum human livestock on the ranch called America. One such obstacle is that darn old obsolete pride in citizenship thing. It is certainly more convenient to have the masses see citizenship associated with mere documentation. Having the white majority masses see citizenship in this manner would sure be more convenient for our corporate overlords (oops, there I go again with that paranoid verbiage. Better take a pill!).

    How can this “pride in citizenship” relic be removed? Well, ya gotta get to the white kids young. Shape their worldview before it gets set in place. So, how do they do that? Well, the plutocrats and corporations donate money to nonprofit foundations, and the foundations give grants to academics, writers and activists that will pump out multiculturalist/anti-white propaganda. Get them white kiddies to thinking that having pride in whiteness is akin to being Hitler. The Ultimate Sin. So you are against cramming more nonwhite thirdworlders into america? Why, you must be hitler/satan/Pure-Evil!

    It’s the Long Game. Done via propaganda and memes. You mold and domesticate the culture via propaganda and memes over decades.

    Anyway, it’s all a done deal now. The minds of white kids done been sanitized. The only holdovers are the old white relics, mostly male. They steam and fret in their kitchens, fondling their firearms and their bullion coins and writing seditious comments on the internets. They remember pride of citizenship. And they wonder, whuh hoppen? What happened to my america?

    Sigh.

    But there is one problem. A little bitty fly in the ointment, to coin a phrase. You see, as people get older, they get more perspective and knowledge. And their sense of self grows and grows. And the hold of the propaganda inserted in youth weakens. And it sure don’t help when you have these after-effect avalanches of multiculturalism such as the L’Affaire zimmerman-trayvon and L’Affaire Ferguson MO. These sorts of things are breaking down the hold of propaganda on white minds. Hence the recent GOP electoral landslides in the states and in Congress.

    Is the white mind shaking off the propaganda hold of their corporate overlords? (**takes pill**).

    Can the white majority wake up in time? Will they realize they are close to being able to break the grip of the corporations, exerted via Washington DC? Will they realize they can call a constitutional convention of the state legislatures and alter the constitution to take back power? Can they do this before the effects of demographic cuckolding make this impossible forever? Can they do this before too many old white relics die?

    Tune in next decade, same bat-time, same bat-channel!

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    This. A million times this.

    I would add: you have to wonder at the amount of brainwashing it takes to beat the "because we live here" line from "Red Dawn" to get where we are today? That line is exactly the response you would get from 90% of Americans if they hadn't had the opposite beaten into their heads everyday from 1st grade to 12th.
    , @ricpic
    What utter crap. It wasn't "the plutocrats," you marxist scum, who assaulted patriotism, it was your hairy smelly lefty brethren who deliberately and successfully assaulted everything square, everything decent and clean, everything mom and apple pie, every natural impulse of love for home, in the horrible subversive sixties, the memory of which still make you orgasmic.
  20. @Steve Sailer
    You know, movies are two hours long, so there's enough time to have two separate four-word lines.

    "Because we live here" is amazing in the first movie precisely because it's not carefully wordsmithed. It's what some illiterate Taliban would say in his own language.

    It’s what some illiterate Taliban would say in his own language.

    Uh, doesn’t “Taliban” mean “scholar”? They are dangerous because they can read.

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  21. @Auntie Analogue
    One flew east, one flew west, hordes tramped over the cuckold's nest.

    One flew east, one flew west, hordes tramped over the cuckold’s nest.

    How about Kuckoldtoa, East of Java?

    Or “runs on Java”.

    Or “is addicted to java”.

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    Well, at least the English are kicking back against their immigrationist political class.
    After the the Rochester and Strood by election, it’s pretty much a given that ukip are here to stay, and the immigrationists won’t be able to play their dirty little games anymore.
    One great result of Rochester was that the Liberal Democrat Party got a pathetically, ridiculous small share of the vote.

    On a side note, former postman, Alan Johnson, was being touted as a replacement by Labour Party panickers for the unpopular Ed Miliband. Alan Johnon was famously cuckholded by the policeman assigned to ‘protect’ him. That and the fact that he was a postman, is all I know about Alan Johnson.

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  23. @Steve Sailer
    Wow. I wonder how the remake of Gone With the Wind will end?

    Rhett: "Frankly, my dear, I think we may need a little space in our relationship, perhaps see other people?"

    A conscious uncoupling.

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  24. Captain Renault: “Round up the individuals who we tend to round up in these sort of situations!”

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  25. Darth Vader: “Luke, I am your mother’s significant other.”

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Darth Vader: “Luke, I am your mother’s significant other.”
     
    In the mainline church of my youth, they're now afraid to say the word "father". For instance, instead of "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" it's "Triune God whom we adore".

    I kid you not.
    , @josh
    Col Kurtz:The diversity,the diversity...
    , @Steve Sailer
    Fixed it: "Luke, I am the significant other of your mother."
  26. @Sunbeam
    A quote of your quote in your linked story:

    “There’s only one example in 4,000 years of Chinese territorial adventurism, and that was in 1979, when they invaded Vietnam, and to put it mildly they got their [butts] handed to them,“ says Milius, noting that China built a wall to separate itself from invaders. “Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We’re a market.

    That is pretty much my view of China. There are a lot of angles with them, cultural arrogance for one thing.

    But I really believe they don't want to rule the world. They just want to be filthy stinking rich.

    “But I really believe they don’t want to rule the world. They just want to be filthy stinking rich.”

    I think they do see China as slowly expanding over centuries, turning neighbours into vassals, and eventually absorbing them. Places like the Russian Far East, Mongolia, remaining south-east Asia, even the central Asian Republics – in the very long term they see it as natural to expand and incorporate these. The highly nationalist north-east Asian nations of Korea and Japan are usually excluded from the end stage project, from what I can tell – China would like them to be vassals, but does not aim to incorporate them.

    Even if things go according to Chinese teleology it would be thousands of years before they were looking to absorb North America. They would like to see the USA weaker so that it no longer threatens China, but want to keep it as a market. The ideal prospect from the Chinese POV would be for the USA to break up into several nations, if that could be done fairly peacefully – without too much trade disruption – and possibly the emergence of a China-friendly client state on the west coast. But the USA is still much stronger than China, all current Chinese strategic planning re the USA is defensive – how to protect vs the USA militarily and economically while gaining a free hand to act in China’s near abroad. As Milius says, the idea of China invading the USA is silly*. Unlike Russia they don’t even act to protect ethnic Chinese in their own near-abroad.

    *Of course the idea of North Korea invading the USA is two orders of magnitude even sillier. The remakers should have just created a fictionalised east-Asian Republic, like the Volgan Republic replacing the Soviet Union in 1970s British sf – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgans

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    • Replies: @MT
    I get taking the 'long view', but if the Chinese are thinking about dominating North America is 'thousands of years', they are wasting there time. Ain't nobody gonna make 'thousands of years', what with nukes and other stuff that hasn't even been invented yet. Civilization will do well to make another 100.

    As for the idea of China invading the USA being silly, so was the idea of the USSR doing so. I've read accounts of 2nd and 3rd line cold war Soviet tank units training with farm tractors, and a Russian dude that works for me who was one of the last draftees into the Soviet army basically confirmed that state of affairs to me. The Russians had a hell of a time in Chechnya. They could probably take Manhattan, but not Georgia or Texas or Montana. They never would have been so stupid as to try.

  27. a little bit off topic, but not too much:
    A somehow similar national cuckolding is going on in Germany, but in way it is even more explicit. In Germany a substantial part of german women with good degrees, good IQ´s who live good lives in good neighborhoods marry some black many from the west-indies, African Americans, from Ghana or Congo. Then they have many children with them (something they do not do with german, turkish, asianmen, with non-black men they tend to have no or very few children). This way the percentage of black germans rises very fast

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    You're right about the Jungle Fever German (and Scandinavian women in general) seem to suffer from. The bright side is that the African-German mixture seems to produce good soccer players. German men often end up with Spanish or East European women. Actually, anecdotally, I know a lot of German men married to white American women. It would be interesting to see the statistics, but a general rule seems to be that Germans don't like to breed with each other.
  28. “Come to think of it, the leadership of the Respectable Right has lost the ability to express anything that isn’t Whiggish, universalist liberalism.”

    Precisely.

    This is the main points of one the most insightful posts late Lawrence Auster wrote:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/000605.html

    Quote:

    “So the various types of conservatives have ideologies that can be described in different ways as neo-Jacobinist. Today’s conservatives are the right wing of the same revolution of which the left is the left wing. The revolution needs both wings to fly.”

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  29. I don’t know if anyone here remembers it, but the miniseries Amerika in the ’80s also dealt with a Soviet takeover: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0092316/

    That one stayed with me longer than Red Dawn. Granted, it was longer and had more time to develop its characters and themes, but I remember it being a bit more sophisticated too.

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    • Replies: @Officious intermeddler
    Amerika can be seen for free, in 13 parts, on YouTube. I'd never seen it, but from the first 20 minutes of episode 1, it looks like fun.
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    Simon,
    So you were a 2000AD fan too, back in the golden days. The character of ‘John Savage’ or whatever he was called , the one man army firestorm anti Volgan Cockney lorry driver seems to me suspiciously like a labour party caricature of the typical ukip voter.
    But we all know who ‘Simon Creepton’ is supposed to be : )

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  31. In evolutionary biology, the term cuckold is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in in offspring that are not genetically their own. As noted above, the term cuckold is derivative of the mis-directed parental investment of birds who direct parental investment to the eggs that cuckoo birds have laid in their nests

    So just to clarify. The USA is being cuckolded into paying to raise the offspring of poor illiterate third world peasant who drop their anchor babies here.

    This means white Americans (the taxpayers) pay to raise the children of mestizo and Indian invaders from the South. Exemplified by the child invasion over the summer which was heavily Indian from Guatemala and El Salvador. Also loads of fertile age Indian-mestizo women jammed in, some with children in tow. You merely have to see the photographs to see who was coming. There was little Spanish blood in them.

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    In Milius’ version of Red Dawn, Patrick Swayze’s character is preparing to execute a captured Russian officer. Asked by one of the guerrillas he leads what is the difference between us and them, he coldly responds: “Because we live here.”

    Geez, and to think, just thirty years ago our greatest fear was to be invaded by white guys and white Hispanic guys (Ricky Ricardo-type Cubans) who spoke English, played chess and Tschaikovsky, and knew American history.

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  33. Chesterton wrote on this and said it well:

    Whatever starts wars, the thing that sustains wars is something in the soul; that is something akin to religion. It is what men feel about life and about death. A man near to death is dealing directly with an absolute; it is nonsense to say he is concerned only with relative and remote complications that death in any case will end. If he is sustained by certain loyalties, they must be loyalties as simple as death. They are generally two ideas, which are only two sides of one idea. The first is the love of something said to be threatened, if it be only vaguely known as home; the second is dislike and defiance of some strange thing that threatens it. The first is far more philosophical than it sounds though we need not discuss it here. A man does not want his national home destroyed or even changed, because he can not even remember all the good things that go with it; just as he does not want his house burnt down because he can hardly count all the things he would miss. Therefore he fights for what sounds like a hazy abstraction, but is really a house.

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  34. @Steve Sailer
    Is that Larry Miller in the movie-within-a-movie? He's an inherently funny person.

    It is Larry. I’ve seen his one man show. He mixes martinis on stage. You should listen to his podcast.

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  35. The way We the People can get out of these elite-driven messes like amnesty is to hold the politicians feet to the fire. It clearly does work if enough people put enough pressure on because it kicked anmesty to the curb several times already. People saw what happened after the Reagan amnesty. So when Congress resurrected it again and again, each time the citizenry manages to twist Congress’ arm behind their back and makes them say “Uncle”. They still are beholden to the people when unpopular ideas are pushed.

    Look at all the Gruber fiasco. That was a torpedo that was going to be fired into the hull of SS Democrat, so the media opted to release it to come after the elections so they wouldn’t be screwed even more.

    But the elites have learned their lesson. They got a black guy so people would find it hard to criticize him, and are having him function as dictator to declare their unpopular ideas as law of the land, that way conveniently avoiding the approval of the people. So it seems different this time.

    They figure, like with Obamacare, they can just push it through by decree from Emperor Zero, then once they do, start putting out a media blitz about how its there now, so its resolved. Anyone against it is a racist, and not giving it a chance.

    Obamacare was really the foot in the door for this country to just slip into an elite driven dictatorship. Now that they’ve gotten something to work they’re just going to keep pushing these things through this way. Your say and vote become meaningless.

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  36. I guess its ‘ol Barry’s revenge. He figures if Frank Marshall Davis can cuckold Barack Sr, then he can do it to the US.

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  37. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    One effect of the one child policy in China is to drive Chinese migrants to distant lands where they can spawn more than once. Look at Latin America.

    Chinese Americans are still obsessed with the China. The vast majority side with China in all disagreements with the West. No population coming here has more contempt for our Bill of Rights or Rule of Law.

    OT, Obama’s action on immigration is being reported in Honduras as essentially an open door. (Hondurans willfully ignore qualifying phrases.) The impunity is such that the president of Honduras says migration to the US is a human right and has called on the new US Congress to solve the child-migration issue in Honduras. They are packing their bags, bound for the land of opportunity. This is going to be interesting to watch (from VT).

    http://www.tiempo.hn/naci%C3%B3n/color-pol%C3%ADtico/item/9053-presidente-de-honduras-insta-a-congreso-de-eeuu-una-soluci%C3%B3n-al-problema-migratorio

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  38. RE: John Milius,

    The documentary Milius:The Greatest Filmmaker You Never Knew is currently streaming on Netflix.It’s quite interesting.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I finally watched "1941." The first four names in the credits are Spielberg, Zemeckis, Gale, and Milius. That's a lot of talent. Of course it was semi-wasted by their running an experiment to see what would happen if they made none of the characters in the movie appealing.
  39. […] This post at Sailer’s shop is another example, but from another angle. The point of mass immigration is to get rid of citizenship. Citizenship is the foundation stone of nationalism. We take nationalism for granted, but it is relatively new in human affairs. Most historians place the birth of nationalism with the Hundred Years War. At the start, armies composed of soldiers from all over fought one another in what we now call France. By the end, the armies were ethnically pure, English on one side and French on the other. Both sides fought for God and country, not loot. […]

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  40. @Simon in London
    "But I really believe they don’t want to rule the world. They just want to be filthy stinking rich."

    I think they do see China as slowly expanding over centuries, turning neighbours into vassals, and eventually absorbing them. Places like the Russian Far East, Mongolia, remaining south-east Asia, even the central Asian Republics - in the very long term they see it as natural to expand and incorporate these. The highly nationalist north-east Asian nations of Korea and Japan are usually excluded from the end stage project, from what I can tell - China would like them to be vassals, but does not aim to incorporate them.

    Even if things go according to Chinese teleology it would be thousands of years before they were looking to absorb North America. They would like to see the USA weaker so that it no longer threatens China, but want to keep it as a market. The ideal prospect from the Chinese POV would be for the USA to break up into several nations, if that could be done fairly peacefully - without too much trade disruption - and possibly the emergence of a China-friendly client state on the west coast. But the USA is still much stronger than China, all current Chinese strategic planning re the USA is defensive - how to protect vs the USA militarily and economically while gaining a free hand to act in China's near abroad. As Milius says, the idea of China invading the USA is silly*. Unlike Russia they don't even act to protect ethnic Chinese in their own near-abroad.

    *Of course the idea of North Korea invading the USA is two orders of magnitude even sillier. The remakers should have just created a fictionalised east-Asian Republic, like the Volgan Republic replacing the Soviet Union in 1970s British sf - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgans

    I get taking the ‘long view’, but if the Chinese are thinking about dominating North America is ‘thousands of years’, they are wasting there time. Ain’t nobody gonna make ‘thousands of years’, what with nukes and other stuff that hasn’t even been invented yet. Civilization will do well to make another 100.

    As for the idea of China invading the USA being silly, so was the idea of the USSR doing so. I’ve read accounts of 2nd and 3rd line cold war Soviet tank units training with farm tractors, and a Russian dude that works for me who was one of the last draftees into the Soviet army basically confirmed that state of affairs to me. The Russians had a hell of a time in Chechnya. They could probably take Manhattan, but not Georgia or Texas or Montana. They never would have been so stupid as to try.

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  41. I get taking the ‘long view’, but if the Chinese are thinking about dominating North America is ‘thousands of years’, they are wasting there time. Ain’t nobody gonna make ‘thousands of years’, what with nukes and other stuff that hasn’t even been invented yet. Civilization will do well to make another 100.

    As for the idea of China invading the USA being silly, so was the idea of the USSR doing so. I’ve read accounts of 2nd and 3rd line cold war Soviet tank units training with farm tractors, and a Russian dude who works for me who was one of the last draftees into the Soviet army basically confirmed that state of affairs to me. The Russians had a hell of a time in Chechnya. They could probably take Manhattan, but not Georgia or Texas or Montana. Having dealt with Napoleon and Hitler, they never would have been so stupid as to try.

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    • Replies: @MT
    This was meant to be a reply to Simon in London.
  42. IANAL but for a long time I’ve wondered about that 14th Amendment ( ignoring the fact that is was never legally ratified) construct that simply being born in the US entitles one to US citizenship. How can someone bestow upon another something they themselves do not possess? It makes no sense. For example, a few years ago a Canadian woman pregnant with 4 babies went into labor. The closest Canadian hospitals did not have incubators for 4 premature babies so the woman was flown to a US hospital with the necessary equipment. According to modern US court rulings those babies are not Canadian citizens but American simply because their mother was on US soil at the time of their birth!

    This is absurd on the face of it. The mother was not American, the father was not American and neither expressed any interest or desire to be American so how can their children be American? No where else in the common or legislative laws of the United States can someone transfer, bestow, bequeath or sell something they themselves do not legally possess. By the logic of the 14th amendment a woman could steal upon the property of Larry Ellison give birth to a child and claim her child is a legal heir of Mr. Ellison simply because it was born on Ellison’s property!

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    • Replies: @AnAnon
    The 14th amendment does say "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", which meant that according to the author of the 14th amendment that said Canadian woman's children would be Canadian. It isn't the logic of the amendment, it is the logic of the judges who twisted it into a pretzel for their own purposes. But the American people haven't said no to this yet, and it remains to be seen if they will.
  43. We visited South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa the other day. The place was absolutely swarming with little Asians, Arabs, and Hispanics, most not even speaking English. Bewildering, yes, but I left with the impression that these conspicuously unassimilated aliens could easily, even willingly, be removed from this land and sent back to their home countries.

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  44. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?

    Milius is Jewish. (I have to admit, that surprised me.) Aren’t you gonna give the Jooz a little credit for this?

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    • Replies: @josh
    Milius wrote 2 Dirty Harry films,had tried to volunteer for Viet Man---could his daddy be a cuckold?
  45. a little bit off topic, but not too much:
    A somehow similar national cuckolding is going on in Germany, but in way it is even more explicit. In Germany a substantial part of german women with good degrees, good IQ´s who live good lives in good neighborhoods marry some black many from the west-indies, African Americans, from Ghana or Congo. Then they have many children with them (something they do not do with german, turkish, asianmen, with non-black men they tend to have no or very few children). This way the percentage of black germans rises very fast

    Lol, what?!? Stats on educated German women wanting to marry blacks, and only blacks?

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  46. Do you even listen to Obama and the “Dreamers”? It’s all stuff about “We grew up here, we’re just as American as anyone else. We volunteer for the army and know no other home. It’s just that the circumstances of our birth were different.”

    It doesn’t sound too different from Patrick Swayze, had he been snuck across the border when he was two.

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    Do you even listen to Obama and the “Dreamers”? It’s all stuff about “We grew up here, we’re just as American as anyone else. We volunteer for the army and know no other home. It’s just that the circumstances of our birth were different.”

    It doesn’t sound too different from Patrick Swayze, had he been snuck across the border when he was two.
     

    Except Swayze says the line, "Because we live here!" to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to "live here" than they do.

    There's also the question of what "we" means in context. If "we" simply means "my friends and I," then there's nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, "we" has a blood-and-soil subtext--i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers--then that's a statement the Dreamers can't make.

    They, as individuals, may indeed (illegally) live here. But the peoples of whom they are are an integral part do not. It's like how a giraffe may well live at your local zoo, but giraffe-kind still lives in the savanna.

    This gets to the gist of my comment that Steve posted up top--we need a way of understanding and expressing families, communities, and nations as something other than collections of atomized individuals in an ahistoric vacuum. (It should go without saying that such a viewpoint doesn't preclude being decent to other people as individuals.)

  47. 1. Amnesty in exchange for having anchor babies is simply the reductio ad absurdum of an idea that conservatives have stupidly gone along with–the idea that children should be viewed as morally independent from their parents, and from the actions of their parents. Any Neanderthal could have told you that children exist by, for, and of the parents and tribes whence they come.

    Good point!

    Now can we start trying to convince the Religious Right that abortion and/or mandated birth control for the underclass,(immigrant and citizen, legal and illegal), aka the one baby while on welfare rule, is a not just a populist issue but THE correct moral position.

    Hard working American citizens should not be forced to exchange having their own children in order to subsidize their demographic and economic displacement by illegals, the underclass and their spawn.

    Two words every American should now; Norplant and Vasalgel.

    Eugenics you say???

    Hell Yeah, and its about time.

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  48. @Steve Sailer
    Darth Vader: "Luke, I am your mother's significant other."

    Darth Vader: “Luke, I am your mother’s significant other.”

    In the mainline church of my youth, they’re now afraid to say the word “father”. For instance, instead of “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost” it’s “Triune God whom we adore”.

    I kid you not.

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  49. so now the Respectable Right lacks even the language to articulate the fact that America is being demographically cuckolded. – ABN

    Do we even have the language anymore to articulate the concept of being personally cuckolded? – Sailer

    Who is this “we”?

    Here is a cute little catch phrase: white Americans do not exist.

    A group that does not exist cannot be cuckolded.

    The phrasing “white Americans do not exist” is not meant to be cute or clever or mysterious or esoteric. The phrasing itself reflects the problem: that the language of identity is missing.

    It is not particular words that are missing. The language of identity is made of stories.

    If people don’t tell their own stories, forget about them.

    I don’t think that there can be a people, if said group doesn’t actually live together, and spend time together, and work together. Sharing the same roads doesn’t do it.

    It is interesting to note that the topic of collective identity, is touchy feely and uncomfortable. Which is why there are mohels. (Ha ha that is my joke but you can use it.)

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    • Replies: @rod1963
    Yep whites lack community and with our European origins forgotten about, it is just made worse. As it is, whites are now simply a collection of atomized individuals. Hispanics, Blacks and Asians have their own little Tokyo's, China towns, etc. Whites have nothing like that today. A hundred years ago we had our own versions of Little Tokyo, except they had Poles, Italians, Greeks, Germans and Irish. These were destroyed by combination of corporate and government policies. And buying into the melting pot/modernity BS we stripped ourselves of our cultural heritage and sense of community.

    With this lack of community means the cold death of white civilization.
  50. @Erik Sieven
    a little bit off topic, but not too much:
    A somehow similar national cuckolding is going on in Germany, but in way it is even more explicit. In Germany a substantial part of german women with good degrees, good IQ´s who live good lives in good neighborhoods marry some black many from the west-indies, African Americans, from Ghana or Congo. Then they have many children with them (something they do not do with german, turkish, asianmen, with non-black men they tend to have no or very few children). This way the percentage of black germans rises very fast

    You’re right about the Jungle Fever German (and Scandinavian women in general) seem to suffer from. The bright side is that the African-German mixture seems to produce good soccer players. German men often end up with Spanish or East European women. Actually, anecdotally, I know a lot of German men married to white American women. It would be interesting to see the statistics, but a general rule seems to be that Germans don’t like to breed with each other.

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    • Replies: @peterike
    German and Scandinavian women breeding with blacks is, literally, the saddest thing possible in human civilization.
  51. America is a shopping mall without borders. …And anyone who doesn’t like it or dares to acknowledge it publicly is on the wrong side of history.

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  52. @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know if anyone here remembers it, but the miniseries Amerika in the '80s also dealt with a Soviet takeover: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0092316/

    That one stayed with me longer than Red Dawn. Granted, it was longer and had more time to develop its characters and themes, but I remember it being a bit more sophisticated too.

    Amerika can be seen for free, in 13 parts, on YouTube. I’d never seen it, but from the first 20 minutes of episode 1, it looks like fun.

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  53. Re: German women having jungle fever.

    Europeans, particularly those in countries that at present do not have large black populations, form their entire perception of blacks from US news media and pop culture. They are therefore utterly convinced that blacks are a funky, super-cool, charming, erudite, peaceful, friendly group of scientists, lawyers and poets, whom evil white Americans force to live in extreme poverty and shoot by the thousands every day for no reason other than that they’re racists who want to bring back slavery.

    A couple of months ago, NPR was doing one of its agitprop dispatches on Ferguson, and saw fit to inform us that in Spain El Mundo, which the NPR reporter breathlessly informed us is a right-wing newspaper, said something along the lines of “the shooting of an unarmed black child by a white police officer shows that America has still yet to atone for its legacy of slavery.”

    Cuz, you know, when I think of countries that have atoned for their legacy of slavery, I think of Spain.

    Edit: I’ll add that the European tendency to take the NYT spin at face value is pervasive. I read an unintentionally hilarious internet discussion amongst a group of Brits on a right-wing website, where they were irritated that their government would not get tough on deporting immigrants – like President Obama (who was referred to as if they were Catholic priests talking about the Pope) just did.

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  54. @MT
    I get taking the ‘long view’, but if the Chinese are thinking about dominating North America is ‘thousands of years’, they are wasting there time. Ain’t nobody gonna make ‘thousands of years’, what with nukes and other stuff that hasn’t even been invented yet. Civilization will do well to make another 100.

    As for the idea of China invading the USA being silly, so was the idea of the USSR doing so. I’ve read accounts of 2nd and 3rd line cold war Soviet tank units training with farm tractors, and a Russian dude who works for me who was one of the last draftees into the Soviet army basically confirmed that state of affairs to me. The Russians had a hell of a time in Chechnya. They could probably take Manhattan, but not Georgia or Texas or Montana. Having dealt with Napoleon and Hitler, they never would have been so stupid as to try.

    This was meant to be a reply to Simon in London.

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  55. “Bemused says:

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?”

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.

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    “Bemused says:

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?”
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    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.
     
    Honest intellectuals mention Jewishness equally when the person does something good or bad. Otherwise it's debit-ledgering (counting only the debit side of the ledger).

    Debit-ledgering is what liberals do to Straight White Males. If you press them on it, they'll say the same thing you said, but use replace "Jews" with "Straight White Males":

    Of course a Straight White Male would imply that any criticism of Straight White Males is illegitimate. Of course we don't mean all Straight White Males.
     
    , @WhatEvvs

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.
     
    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don't like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck. When you "like and respect" a person who happens to be Jewish, that's irrelevant.

    You admit this by your own wording: " your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, "

    Nope and LULZ. The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or....pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing. Why? Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.
  56. @Steve Sailer
    Darth Vader: "Luke, I am your mother's significant other."

    Col Kurtz:The diversity,the diversity…

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  57. @Peter Akuleyev
    You're right about the Jungle Fever German (and Scandinavian women in general) seem to suffer from. The bright side is that the African-German mixture seems to produce good soccer players. German men often end up with Spanish or East European women. Actually, anecdotally, I know a lot of German men married to white American women. It would be interesting to see the statistics, but a general rule seems to be that Germans don't like to breed with each other.

    German and Scandinavian women breeding with blacks is, literally, the saddest thing possible in human civilization.

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    I agree. Truly depressing. There are plenty of blacks to breed more blacks. Why do Germans and Scandinavians also want to drop little blacks? The little blacks will not grow up to be their own people, even though all any of the modern comforts and opportunities they experience will come from the white side. Weird. A drastic drop in the average IQ of these offspring, had they bred with men of their own race. Really depressing.
    , @Harry
    I remember Cochran's tales (in the context of gay germ theory) about how little of a fertility disadvantage would drive genetic homosexuality out of existence.
    Because the Children of Jungle Fever aren't white anymore, the same principle should apply here, i.e. strong selective pressure driving Jungle Fever out of the white gene pool.
    If true, white women in the United States should already be measurably more racist daters than their European sisters. Is this (anecdotally) true?
  58. @leftist conservative
    ah, red dawn. I must have watched the 1980s version at least 5 or ten times. That john milius sure had a talent for combining phrase-making dialogue with connections to deeper cultural themes.

    Then I saw they remade the movie, and excitedly watched it. Could not finish it. Junk.

    Of course my thing is WHY. Why do things happen? What forces are involved?

    Why the cultural shift from seeing citizenship as holy to seeing citizenship as something associated with mere documentation?

    But I guess asking WHY makes me a paranoid conspiracy theorist in some minds. Around here it is OK to notice these cultural changes (on liberal online forums, it's not even OK to notice such cultural shifts. Shhh! Taboo!), but asking why in other places is....frowned upon....

    I should probably just go golfing instead of asking why. And by the way such golf courses are available right down the street. For a totally reasonable fee.

    And such a why-asking paranoid person would probably be a person in need of medications. Medications which, by the way, are available for sale in our local pharmacies. For a totally fair price!

    But I digress...back to "why?": Whelp, it always helps to follow the money. That's what us paranoid conspiracist why-asking persons in need of medications always go back to. The money. Follow it.

    You see, kids, in the past, 100 years and more, the white race and culture were devoted to expansion of territory. The more territory under control of washington DC, the more business was available to the corporations and plutocrats who operated in the USA. Fiefdoms of commerce, and all that. So therefore it helped those at the top to have a culture that had pride in citizenship. You were an american, by god! And it was your patriotic duty to go join the army and fight for a patch of land somewhere far from here. And once that patch of land came under domain of washington DC the army and justice system would make it feasible for the american plutocrats and corporations to do business there and sell goods and services there. Goods and services which, by the way, were offered at a totally fair and reasonable price!

    But now things have changed. Almost all of those patches of land have been made safe for western style commerce. Aw shucks! No more need to have the american people have pride in being an american. That whole pride in citizenship thing is obsolete. Serves no purpose.

    Now there is a different game afoot. It's the cattle ranch game, kids! And it's lotsa fun, too! Here's the deal: the thing to do now is to cram as much worker-consumer livestock into america as possible. The more human livestock ya got on the ranch, the higher corporate profits and GDP go.

    Now of course there are obstacles to achieving this goal of maximum human livestock on the ranch called America. One such obstacle is that darn old obsolete pride in citizenship thing. It is certainly more convenient to have the masses see citizenship associated with mere documentation. Having the white majority masses see citizenship in this manner would sure be more convenient for our corporate overlords (oops, there I go again with that paranoid verbiage. Better take a pill!).

    How can this "pride in citizenship" relic be removed? Well, ya gotta get to the white kids young. Shape their worldview before it gets set in place. So, how do they do that? Well, the plutocrats and corporations donate money to nonprofit foundations, and the foundations give grants to academics, writers and activists that will pump out multiculturalist/anti-white propaganda. Get them white kiddies to thinking that having pride in whiteness is akin to being Hitler. The Ultimate Sin. So you are against cramming more nonwhite thirdworlders into america? Why, you must be hitler/satan/Pure-Evil!

    It's the Long Game. Done via propaganda and memes. You mold and domesticate the culture via propaganda and memes over decades.

    Anyway, it's all a done deal now. The minds of white kids done been sanitized. The only holdovers are the old white relics, mostly male. They steam and fret in their kitchens, fondling their firearms and their bullion coins and writing seditious comments on the internets. They remember pride of citizenship. And they wonder, whuh hoppen? What happened to my america?

    Sigh.

    But there is one problem. A little bitty fly in the ointment, to coin a phrase. You see, as people get older, they get more perspective and knowledge. And their sense of self grows and grows. And the hold of the propaganda inserted in youth weakens. And it sure don't help when you have these after-effect avalanches of multiculturalism such as the L'Affaire zimmerman-trayvon and L'Affaire Ferguson MO. These sorts of things are breaking down the hold of propaganda on white minds. Hence the recent GOP electoral landslides in the states and in Congress.

    Is the white mind shaking off the propaganda hold of their corporate overlords? (**takes pill**).

    Can the white majority wake up in time? Will they realize they are close to being able to break the grip of the corporations, exerted via Washington DC? Will they realize they can call a constitutional convention of the state legislatures and alter the constitution to take back power? Can they do this before the effects of demographic cuckolding make this impossible forever? Can they do this before too many old white relics die?

    Tune in next decade, same bat-time, same bat-channel!

    This. A million times this.

    I would add: you have to wonder at the amount of brainwashing it takes to beat the “because we live here” line from “Red Dawn” to get where we are today? That line is exactly the response you would get from 90% of Americans if they hadn’t had the opposite beaten into their heads everyday from 1st grade to 12th.

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  59. Most women crave Black Men. German girls are no different from anyone else.

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    no, "most" do not. One thing I've noticed. The more blacks a girl has been around, the less likely she is to "crave" them (unless she's, well, of a certain mentality). There is very little interracial dating, at least of the black/white variety, in my area. The people who married blacks tend to work for NGOs. Maybe 2%. Of course they stand out, and seem more numerous than they are. But the more blacks you are around, the less you want to be around them. OTOH, someone from northern Minnesota, who comes here all fresh and "unprejudiced", may feel differently. Or felt differently about blacks back home because there weren't that many of them, and the ones that were around were pretty decent, because there weren't too many. And so it goes.
    Anyway. No. And dating a black for a while because it's "cool", or he just seemed like a nice guy, or because she didn't want to seem racist, doesn't count as "craving." It counts as trying to be PC. And most don't even bother to do that.
  60. Steve Carell did a short riff on cuckoldry in the movie “Crazy Stupid Love”.

    The Mandingo fetishists that seem to gather here will be well aware of interracial cuckold porn.

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  61. @unit472
    IANAL but for a long time I've wondered about that 14th Amendment ( ignoring the fact that is was never legally ratified) construct that simply being born in the US entitles one to US citizenship. How can someone bestow upon another something they themselves do not possess? It makes no sense. For example, a few years ago a Canadian woman pregnant with 4 babies went into labor. The closest Canadian hospitals did not have incubators for 4 premature babies so the woman was flown to a US hospital with the necessary equipment. According to modern US court rulings those babies are not Canadian citizens but American simply because their mother was on US soil at the time of their birth!

    This is absurd on the face of it. The mother was not American, the father was not American and neither expressed any interest or desire to be American so how can their children be American? No where else in the common or legislative laws of the United States can someone transfer, bestow, bequeath or sell something they themselves do not legally possess. By the logic of the 14th amendment a woman could steal upon the property of Larry Ellison give birth to a child and claim her child is a legal heir of Mr. Ellison simply because it was born on Ellison's property!

    The 14th amendment does say “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, which meant that according to the author of the 14th amendment that said Canadian woman’s children would be Canadian. It isn’t the logic of the amendment, it is the logic of the judges who twisted it into a pretzel for their own purposes. But the American people haven’t said no to this yet, and it remains to be seen if they will.

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  62. @Suburban_elk
    so now the Respectable Right lacks even the language to articulate the fact that America is being demographically cuckolded. - ABN

    Do we even have the language anymore to articulate the concept of being personally cuckolded? - Sailer

    Who is this "we"?

    Here is a cute little catch phrase: white Americans do not exist.

    A group that does not exist cannot be cuckolded.

    The phrasing "white Americans do not exist" is not meant to be cute or clever or mysterious or esoteric. The phrasing itself reflects the problem: that the language of identity is missing.

    It is not particular words that are missing. The language of identity is made of stories.

    If people don't tell their own stories, forget about them.

    I don't think that there can be a people, if said group doesn't actually live together, and spend time together, and work together. Sharing the same roads doesn't do it.

    It is interesting to note that the topic of collective identity, is touchy feely and uncomfortable. Which is why there are mohels. (Ha ha that is my joke but you can use it.)

    Yep whites lack community and with our European origins forgotten about, it is just made worse. As it is, whites are now simply a collection of atomized individuals. Hispanics, Blacks and Asians have their own little Tokyo’s, China towns, etc. Whites have nothing like that today. A hundred years ago we had our own versions of Little Tokyo, except they had Poles, Italians, Greeks, Germans and Irish. These were destroyed by combination of corporate and government policies. And buying into the melting pot/modernity BS we stripped ourselves of our cultural heritage and sense of community.

    With this lack of community means the cold death of white civilization.

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  63. @WhatEvvs
    Hey Sailer boys - where's the Jew talk?

    Isn't there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?

    Milius is Jewish. (I have to admit, that surprised me.) Aren't you gonna give the Jooz a little credit for this?

    Milius wrote 2 Dirty Harry films,had tried to volunteer for Viet Man—could his daddy be a cuckold?

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  64. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Is the word “cuckold” even in current circulation?”

    Not been keeping up with porn I see.

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  65. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Is the word “cuckold” even in current circulation?

    No, it’s been lost along with adultery, adulterer, and adulteress.

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  66. Had Bamster legalized the parents of the “Dreamers” it would have been the ultimate in cuckolding: you legalize the kids because they got here “through no fault of their own” and then you legalize the parents because they need to be with the kids they had illegally brought here because that’s the kind of people we are. But even birds don’t suddenly adopt the adult cuckoo bird parents of their deceptively adopted “kids”.

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  67. @Hepp
    Do you even listen to Obama and the "Dreamers"? It's all stuff about "We grew up here, we're just as American as anyone else. We volunteer for the army and know no other home. It's just that the circumstances of our birth were different."

    It doesn't sound too different from Patrick Swayze, had he been snuck across the border when he was two.

    Do you even listen to Obama and the “Dreamers”? It’s all stuff about “We grew up here, we’re just as American as anyone else. We volunteer for the army and know no other home. It’s just that the circumstances of our birth were different.”

    It doesn’t sound too different from Patrick Swayze, had he been snuck across the border when he was two.

    Except Swayze says the line, “Because we live here!” to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to “live here” than they do.

    There’s also the question of what “we” means in context. If “we” simply means “my friends and I,” then there’s nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, “we” has a blood-and-soil subtext–i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers–then that’s a statement the Dreamers can’t make.

    They, as individuals, may indeed (illegally) live here. But the peoples of whom they are are an integral part do not. It’s like how a giraffe may well live at your local zoo, but giraffe-kind still lives in the savanna.

    This gets to the gist of my comment that Steve posted up top–we need a way of understanding and expressing families, communities, and nations as something other than collections of atomized individuals in an ahistoric vacuum. (It should go without saying that such a viewpoint doesn’t preclude being decent to other people as individuals.)

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    Except Swayze says the line, “Because we live here!” to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to “live here” than they do.
     
    No, they believe that the best face to make their case is someone who came here at 2 years old, indistinguishable from other Americans in every other way.

    There’s also the question of what “we” means in context. If “we” simply means “my friends and I,” then there’s nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, “we” has a blood-and-soil subtext–i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers–then that’s a statement the Dreamers can’t make.

     

    Agree, but nobody's making that case! It's the break between descent and the lived experience that I think is important.
  68. @peterike
    German and Scandinavian women breeding with blacks is, literally, the saddest thing possible in human civilization.

    I agree. Truly depressing. There are plenty of blacks to breed more blacks. Why do Germans and Scandinavians also want to drop little blacks? The little blacks will not grow up to be their own people, even though all any of the modern comforts and opportunities they experience will come from the white side. Weird. A drastic drop in the average IQ of these offspring, had they bred with men of their own race. Really depressing.

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  69. One effect of the one child policy in China is to drive Chinese migrants to distant lands where they can spawn more than once. Look at Latin America.

    Net tfr in China is 1.8 which is the same as whites in the US. Chinese women in the USA have even fewer children.

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  70. @ABN

    Do you even listen to Obama and the “Dreamers”? It’s all stuff about “We grew up here, we’re just as American as anyone else. We volunteer for the army and know no other home. It’s just that the circumstances of our birth were different.”

    It doesn’t sound too different from Patrick Swayze, had he been snuck across the border when he was two.
     

    Except Swayze says the line, "Because we live here!" to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to "live here" than they do.

    There's also the question of what "we" means in context. If "we" simply means "my friends and I," then there's nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, "we" has a blood-and-soil subtext--i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers--then that's a statement the Dreamers can't make.

    They, as individuals, may indeed (illegally) live here. But the peoples of whom they are are an integral part do not. It's like how a giraffe may well live at your local zoo, but giraffe-kind still lives in the savanna.

    This gets to the gist of my comment that Steve posted up top--we need a way of understanding and expressing families, communities, and nations as something other than collections of atomized individuals in an ahistoric vacuum. (It should go without saying that such a viewpoint doesn't preclude being decent to other people as individuals.)

    Except Swayze says the line, “Because we live here!” to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to “live here” than they do.

    No, they believe that the best face to make their case is someone who came here at 2 years old, indistinguishable from other Americans in every other way.

    There’s also the question of what “we” means in context. If “we” simply means “my friends and I,” then there’s nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, “we” has a blood-and-soil subtext–i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers–then that’s a statement the Dreamers can’t make.

    Agree, but nobody’s making that case! It’s the break between descent and the lived experience that I think is important.

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    "No, they believe that the best face to make their case is someone who came here at 2 years old, indistinguishable from other Americans in every other way."

    You mean aside form the fact that they're citizens of some other country?

    If I steal a car and give it to my son for his 16th birthday, does my son have the right to keep the car because taking it from him would be harming the innocent?

    Of course not. That would be totally and utterly insane. We don't fight any other crime the way we "fight" illegal immigration. There's a reason we don't - because we'd be a violent, crime-ridden Third World shithole if we did.

    Children routinely suffer for the sins of their parents. They suffer when their parents lose their jobs, when they lose their house, when they go to prison, when they get divorced. That's life. That's how it works. It sucks, but most children manage to adjust - just like they'll manage to adjust at being returned to their home country. The adjustment shouldn't be too difficult - even if they haven't been to their home countries in living memory, they have been raised in the culture, probably in homes where their native language was spoken, on the television, etc.
  71. @syonredux
    RE: John Milius,

    The documentary Milius:The Greatest Filmmaker You Never Knew is currently streaming on Netflix.It's quite interesting.

    I finally watched “1941.” The first four names in the credits are Spielberg, Zemeckis, Gale, and Milius. That’s a lot of talent. Of course it was semi-wasted by their running an experiment to see what would happen if they made none of the characters in the movie appealing.

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  72. Would really like to see more data on the supposed black fetish of German women. Guessing it ain’t so. Guessing that, to the degree that it is so, it is crazy/silly German women, same as the white women in the USA who choose to marry/shack up with blacks.

    To the extent that such women have more children than those who marry white men, I’d bet it’s mostly related to white MEN wanting to have fewer children, not mostly or just white women. Europeans grew more intelligent because evolution forced them to in order to survive under harsher conditions. Those same pressures made them more conscientious and more anxious. Plan plan plan, because you have to prepare for the winter. I’d wager Europeans and Asians are far more than Africans to suffer from neuroses like anxiety disorders and OCPD, mostly because these were traits valuable in such climates.

    The result? Whites and Asians are especially keen to plan and worry when it comes to having children – oftentimes, too much so. African men, having low anxiety and practicing the principle of cads-not-dads, don’t worry about it so much, because, consciously or not, they don’t plan to stick around.

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  73. Do you guys ever get tired of spewing the same bullshit about all white women craving black men?

    This reads like a bunch of pathetic nerds whining that they can’t get any tail. Which is probably exactly what it is.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "Do you guys ever get tired of spewing the same bullshit about all white women craving black men? This reads like a bunch of pathetic nerds whining that they can’t get any tail."

    What do you mean by "you guys" and "bunch"? Like maybe two guys on this thread have claimed that white women crave the black cock. The rest of us are rather incredulous.
  74. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “I finally watched “1941.””

    I saw it when it first came out, and about all I can remember is that I still remember it as one of the worst big budget movies I have ever seen. Mentally I have it somewhere in the “Adams Family” Death to Amerika! category.

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  75. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Hepp

    Except Swayze says the line, “Because we live here!” to foreign invaders.

    The Dreamers, on the other hand, are making that argument against US citizens who have an infinitely better claim to “live here” than they do.
     
    No, they believe that the best face to make their case is someone who came here at 2 years old, indistinguishable from other Americans in every other way.

    There’s also the question of what “we” means in context. If “we” simply means “my friends and I,” then there’s nothing much to be said about that. If, on the other hand, “we” has a blood-and-soil subtext–i.e., referring to the American tribe within the homeland won and built by its forefathers–then that’s a statement the Dreamers can’t make.

     

    Agree, but nobody's making that case! It's the break between descent and the lived experience that I think is important.

    “No, they believe that the best face to make their case is someone who came here at 2 years old, indistinguishable from other Americans in every other way.”

    You mean aside form the fact that they’re citizens of some other country?

    If I steal a car and give it to my son for his 16th birthday, does my son have the right to keep the car because taking it from him would be harming the innocent?

    Of course not. That would be totally and utterly insane. We don’t fight any other crime the way we “fight” illegal immigration. There’s a reason we don’t – because we’d be a violent, crime-ridden Third World shithole if we did.

    Children routinely suffer for the sins of their parents. They suffer when their parents lose their jobs, when they lose their house, when they go to prison, when they get divorced. That’s life. That’s how it works. It sucks, but most children manage to adjust – just like they’ll manage to adjust at being returned to their home country. The adjustment shouldn’t be too difficult – even if they haven’t been to their home countries in living memory, they have been raised in the culture, probably in homes where their native language was spoken, on the television, etc.

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  76. @Bert
    Do you guys ever get tired of spewing the same bullshit about all white women craving black men?

    This reads like a bunch of pathetic nerds whining that they can't get any tail. Which is probably exactly what it is.

    “Do you guys ever get tired of spewing the same bullshit about all white women craving black men? This reads like a bunch of pathetic nerds whining that they can’t get any tail.”

    What do you mean by “you guys” and “bunch”? Like maybe two guys on this thread have claimed that white women crave the black cock. The rest of us are rather incredulous.

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    • Replies: @Bert
    It's hard to keep track of who says what how many times, since several users insist on posting multiple times in a row. Nevertheless, I'm tired of reading it. I expect this kind of crap from the likes of Ted or Art Deco or Whiskey, but nobody takes them seriously. Now that there are others doing it, it gotten to be a real problem. I don't want to have to read "white women gots jungle fever yup" so damn often.
  77. @Foggy
    Most women crave Black Men. German girls are no different from anyone else.

    no, “most” do not. One thing I’ve noticed. The more blacks a girl has been around, the less likely she is to “crave” them (unless she’s, well, of a certain mentality). There is very little interracial dating, at least of the black/white variety, in my area. The people who married blacks tend to work for NGOs. Maybe 2%. Of course they stand out, and seem more numerous than they are. But the more blacks you are around, the less you want to be around them. OTOH, someone from northern Minnesota, who comes here all fresh and “unprejudiced”, may feel differently. Or felt differently about blacks back home because there weren’t that many of them, and the ones that were around were pretty decent, because there weren’t too many. And so it goes.
    Anyway. No. And dating a black for a while because it’s “cool”, or he just seemed like a nice guy, or because she didn’t want to seem racist, doesn’t count as “craving.” It counts as trying to be PC. And most don’t even bother to do that.

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  78. @Wilkey
    "Do you guys ever get tired of spewing the same bullshit about all white women craving black men? This reads like a bunch of pathetic nerds whining that they can’t get any tail."

    What do you mean by "you guys" and "bunch"? Like maybe two guys on this thread have claimed that white women crave the black cock. The rest of us are rather incredulous.

    It’s hard to keep track of who says what how many times, since several users insist on posting multiple times in a row. Nevertheless, I’m tired of reading it. I expect this kind of crap from the likes of Ted or Art Deco or Whiskey, but nobody takes them seriously. Now that there are others doing it, it gotten to be a real problem. I don’t want to have to read “white women gots jungle fever yup” so damn often.

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  79. “Most women crave Black Men. German girls are no different from anyone else.”

    That means very few Nonblack men on the planet are getting laid if most women prefer Black men. And we all know that is not true.

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  80. You can take the feminist defintion of “rape culture” and replace every instance of rape with the word cuckold and it will perfectly explain what their agenda is.

    Cuckold culture is a concept that examines a culture in which cuckoldry is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.

    I also propose that the manosphere create a new term.

    Cuckoldism

    Definition:
    1) The promotion, advocacy, or support for an ideology of cuckoldry.
    2) An ideology that seeks to enable, encourage, celebrate or normalise cuckoldry.
    3) An ideology whose central organising premise is cuckoldry and its enabling.
    4) Promotion of cuckoldry.

    Cuckoldist
    Definition
    1) A person who believes in, advocates or supports cuckoldism.
    2) A person who ascribes to an ideology of cuckoldism.

    It will provide a conceptual rallying point for combating feminism, (or atleastly the parts of feminism that I believe many in the manosphere have a problem with). It will do for the manosphere what coining racism did for anti-racists or sexism did for feminists.

    Then it’s just a matter of propagating emotionally reactive images of cuckoldry in practice and attaching it to that word.

    i.e. http://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/mazxi/gf_pregnant_by_another_guy_after_wild_weekend_of/

    or

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1rir7r/prefect_example_of_alpha_fucks_beta_bucks/

    or

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84261128/

    And Boom! Pretty soon we can shut down any feminist in a debate by accusing her and her argument of being cuckoldist.

    This agenda of cuckoldry is easily observed in #Gamergate;

    Zoe Quinn cuckolded her boyfriend with 5 other men. He put her on blast for this and this pissed guys off as men don’t like cuckoldists. Then it took on a life of it’s own as being about ethics in gaming journalism.

    But what has been the feminists response? To accuse the men of just wanting to slutshame Zoe Quinn. But just think of that for a moment, feminists oppose slut-shaming, by saying this event was about men trying to slut-shame Zoe Quinn they are extending the definition of slutshaming to women who cheat, to women who cuckold. By extending the definition out to such women feminists have made their agenda clear. Their agenda is cuckoldry and they will fight, agitate and advocate for the imposition of a culture that cuckolds men.

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    And the reason why the term cuckoldry so aptly encapsulates what the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW's/SWPL's is doing to the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women. men is because cuckoldry is a form of parasitism, and the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW's/SWPL's ARE trying to parasitise those on the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women.
  81. @chris
    You can take the feminist defintion of "rape culture" and replace every instance of rape with the word cuckold and it will perfectly explain what their agenda is.

    Cuckold culture is a concept that examines a culture in which cuckoldry is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.

    I also propose that the manosphere create a new term.

    Cuckoldism

    Definition:
    1) The promotion, advocacy, or support for an ideology of cuckoldry.
    2) An ideology that seeks to enable, encourage, celebrate or normalise cuckoldry.
    3) An ideology whose central organising premise is cuckoldry and its enabling.
    4) Promotion of cuckoldry.

    Cuckoldist
    Definition
    1) A person who believes in, advocates or supports cuckoldism.
    2) A person who ascribes to an ideology of cuckoldism.

    It will provide a conceptual rallying point for combating feminism, (or atleastly the parts of feminism that I believe many in the manosphere have a problem with). It will do for the manosphere what coining racism did for anti-racists or sexism did for feminists.

    Then it’s just a matter of propagating emotionally reactive images of cuckoldry in practice and attaching it to that word.

    i.e. http://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/mazxi/gf_pregnant_by_another_guy_after_wild_weekend_of/

    or

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1rir7r/prefect_example_of_alpha_fucks_beta_bucks/

    or

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84261128/

    And Boom! Pretty soon we can shut down any feminist in a debate by accusing her and her argument of being cuckoldist.

    This agenda of cuckoldry is easily observed in #Gamergate;

    Zoe Quinn cuckolded her boyfriend with 5 other men. He put her on blast for this and this pissed guys off as men don't like cuckoldists. Then it took on a life of it's own as being about ethics in gaming journalism.

    But what has been the feminists response? To accuse the men of just wanting to slutshame Zoe Quinn. But just think of that for a moment, feminists oppose slut-shaming, by saying this event was about men trying to slut-shame Zoe Quinn they are extending the definition of slutshaming to women who cheat, to women who cuckold. By extending the definition out to such women feminists have made their agenda clear. Their agenda is cuckoldry and they will fight, agitate and advocate for the imposition of a culture that cuckolds men.

    And the reason why the term cuckoldry so aptly encapsulates what the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW’s/SWPL’s is doing to the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women. men is because cuckoldry is a form of parasitism, and the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW’s/SWPL’s ARE trying to parasitise those on the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women.

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  82. @chris
    And the reason why the term cuckoldry so aptly encapsulates what the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW's/SWPL's is doing to the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women. men is because cuckoldry is a form of parasitism, and the left/demoncrats/liberals/SJW's/SWPL's ARE trying to parasitise those on the right/Whites/heteronormative/traditional men and women.

    Lol,

    demoncrats

    such an apt typo.

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  83. @Steve Sailer
    Darth Vader: "Luke, I am your mother's significant other."

    Fixed it: “Luke, I am the significant other of your mother.”

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  84. ““There’s only one example in 4,000 years of Chinese territorial adventurism, and that was in 1979, when they invaded Vietnam, and to put it mildly they got their [butts] handed to them,“ says Milius, noting that China built a wall to separate itself from invaders. “Why would China want us? They sell us stuff. We’re a market.”

    The statement about territorial adventurism is not strictly correct. There were a lot of areas now within China that were non-Chinese in the past but have now been incorporated and assimilated. The Chinese “do” territorial adventurism with regards to areas bordering their current territory. How else did their civilization expand from Yellow River valley? They built a wall because the nomads were too strong and the nomad territories were not suitable for farming. One famous historical case is their repeated invasions of Goguryeo (Manchuria and northern Korea) in the 7th century. The Chinese empire would have expanded even more were it not for geographical/climatic considerations combined with strong native resistance.

    Their current aggressiveness in the East and South China seas is perfectly in line with the historical pattern.

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  85. @peterike
    German and Scandinavian women breeding with blacks is, literally, the saddest thing possible in human civilization.

    I remember Cochran’s tales (in the context of gay germ theory) about how little of a fertility disadvantage would drive genetic homosexuality out of existence.
    Because the Children of Jungle Fever aren’t white anymore, the same principle should apply here, i.e. strong selective pressure driving Jungle Fever out of the white gene pool.
    If true, white women in the United States should already be measurably more racist daters than their European sisters. Is this (anecdotally) true?

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  86. @ jo s’more this number is probably not correct. I´ve read some chinese demographers guess the overall number is much nearer to 1,0 than to 1,5 in China, and we are not talking about Beijing but the whole country. And they actually have to guess, because the data is not reliable. This is quite surprising in China, a country with such a strong state and a focus on family planning.
    @ David:
    But do chinese have more children overseas? My impression is that East Asians (including Chinese) have stopped reproducing pretty much everywhere in the world.

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  87. @ Jefferson:
    most women prefer black men (men of westafrica ancestry specifically) CETERIS PARIBUS. A rich man ist still better than a poor one, a healthy one better than a sick one. Somebody who speaks your own language and shares the same culture is better than a stranger. But race is certainly one criterium among others, and concerning race black is better than white is better yellow when it comes to male attractivenes

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    Nothing in the universe supports what you say. Online dating shows white men are preferred to others, even holding other factors equal. Most black male-white female couplings have low education, indicating that black men get the least desirable white women.
  88. @Erik Sieven
    @ Jefferson:
    most women prefer black men (men of westafrica ancestry specifically) CETERIS PARIBUS. A rich man ist still better than a poor one, a healthy one better than a sick one. Somebody who speaks your own language and shares the same culture is better than a stranger. But race is certainly one criterium among others, and concerning race black is better than white is better yellow when it comes to male attractivenes

    Nothing in the universe supports what you say. Online dating shows white men are preferred to others, even holding other factors equal. Most black male-white female couplings have low education, indicating that black men get the least desirable white women.

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  89. As Jessica Rabbit said when asked why she was with Roger, “He makes me laugh.” A sense of humor seems to be a check box most women want in their guys. I’ve been entertained by the loony antics of black men many times, as I’m sure German women have. German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.

    I’d be interested to see what the marriage rates are between white German women and black men.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene."

    You forgot t0 mention that their eyes are too close together.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.
     
    That went to the Danes. And crossed the channel with Cerdic.
  90. I just read a Netflix capsule summary that stated the premise of a movie as a man’s having been “cuckolded”.

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  91. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “The Chinese “do” territorial adventurism with regards to areas bordering their current territory.”

    Yes. The Chinese took over Tibet in 1950:

    “…After months of failed negotiations, attempts by Tibet to secure foreign support and assistance, and PRC and Tibetan troop buildups, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed the Jinsha River on 6 or 7 October. …

    …The purpose of the campaign was to capture the Tibetan army… and sign terms recognizing Chinese sovereignty over Tibet… eventually resulting in the incorporation of Tibet into the People’s Republic of China. …”

    In 1962 the Chinese launched an attack on India that India (Sino-Indian War) that India decisively lost (with repercussions lasting to this day):

    “…the Chinese launched simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line on 20 October 1962. Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres, capturing Rezang la in Chushul in the western theatre, as well as Tawang in the eastern theatre. ….”

    “Result Decisive Chinese victory.”

    “Are China and India About to Fight Over Their Border?”, Jake Maxwell Watts, The Atlantic, May 2 2013.

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    Tibet was IIRC historically considered (by China) to be part of its terrritory, at least since the Yuan dynasty, but was so remote that control was pretty much non-existent - a bit like the Highlands before 1745. So while the 1951 invasion/annexation was unpleasant, it wasn't unprecedented - Chinese troops had been sent there to ensure control several times in the past thousand years.

    The Chinese lost large bits of territory in Siberia to the Russian Empire in Victorian times, in the treaties of Aigun and Beijing. That must be a permanent niggling worry at the back of the Russian Foreign Ministry mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty
  92. @Brutusale
    As Jessica Rabbit said when asked why she was with Roger, "He makes me laugh." A sense of humor seems to be a check box most women want in their guys. I've been entertained by the loony antics of black men many times, as I'm sure German women have. German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.

    I'd be interested to see what the marriage rates are between white German women and black men.

    “German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.”

    You forgot t0 mention that their eyes are too close together.

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  93. @anonymous
    "The Chinese “do” territorial adventurism with regards to areas bordering their current territory."

    Yes. The Chinese took over Tibet in 1950:


    "...After months of failed negotiations, attempts by Tibet to secure foreign support and assistance, and PRC and Tibetan troop buildups, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) crossed the Jinsha River on 6 or 7 October. ...

    ...The purpose of the campaign was to capture the Tibetan army... and sign terms recognizing Chinese sovereignty over Tibet... eventually resulting in the incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China. ..."

     

    In 1962 the Chinese launched an attack on India that India (Sino-Indian War) that India decisively lost (with repercussions lasting to this day):


    "...the Chinese launched simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line on 20 October 1962. Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres, capturing Rezang la in Chushul in the western theatre, as well as Tawang in the eastern theatre. ...."

    "Result Decisive Chinese victory."

     

    "Are China and India About to Fight Over Their Border?", Jake Maxwell Watts, The Atlantic, May 2 2013.

    Tibet was IIRC historically considered (by China) to be part of its terrritory, at least since the Yuan dynasty, but was so remote that control was pretty much non-existent – a bit like the Highlands before 1745. So while the 1951 invasion/annexation was unpleasant, it wasn’t unprecedented – Chinese troops had been sent there to ensure control several times in the past thousand years.

    The Chinese lost large bits of territory in Siberia to the Russian Empire in Victorian times, in the treaties of Aigun and Beijing. That must be a permanent niggling worry at the back of the Russian Foreign Ministry mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

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    Putin signed a treaty with China in 2008 agreeing to all the current borders.
  94. @Anonymous Nephew
    Tibet was IIRC historically considered (by China) to be part of its terrritory, at least since the Yuan dynasty, but was so remote that control was pretty much non-existent - a bit like the Highlands before 1745. So while the 1951 invasion/annexation was unpleasant, it wasn't unprecedented - Chinese troops had been sent there to ensure control several times in the past thousand years.

    The Chinese lost large bits of territory in Siberia to the Russian Empire in Victorian times, in the treaties of Aigun and Beijing. That must be a permanent niggling worry at the back of the Russian Foreign Ministry mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

    Putin signed a treaty with China in 2008 agreeing to all the current borders.

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  95. @Brutusale
    As Jessica Rabbit said when asked why she was with Roger, "He makes me laugh." A sense of humor seems to be a check box most women want in their guys. I've been entertained by the loony antics of black men many times, as I'm sure German women have. German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.

    I'd be interested to see what the marriage rates are between white German women and black men.

    German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.

    That went to the Danes. And crossed the channel with Cerdic.

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    Yeah, the Britons must have found him a real laugh riot back in the day!
  96. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr. Anon
    "Bemused says:

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?"

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread - your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.

    “Bemused says:

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?”
    ———–
    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.

    Honest intellectuals mention Jewishness equally when the person does something good or bad. Otherwise it’s debit-ledgering (counting only the debit side of the ledger).

    Debit-ledgering is what liberals do to Straight White Males. If you press them on it, they’ll say the same thing you said, but use replace “Jews” with “Straight White Males”:

    Of course a Straight White Male would imply that any criticism of Straight White Males is illegitimate. Of course we don’t mean all Straight White Males.

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  97. @leftist conservative
    ah, red dawn. I must have watched the 1980s version at least 5 or ten times. That john milius sure had a talent for combining phrase-making dialogue with connections to deeper cultural themes.

    Then I saw they remade the movie, and excitedly watched it. Could not finish it. Junk.

    Of course my thing is WHY. Why do things happen? What forces are involved?

    Why the cultural shift from seeing citizenship as holy to seeing citizenship as something associated with mere documentation?

    But I guess asking WHY makes me a paranoid conspiracy theorist in some minds. Around here it is OK to notice these cultural changes (on liberal online forums, it's not even OK to notice such cultural shifts. Shhh! Taboo!), but asking why in other places is....frowned upon....

    I should probably just go golfing instead of asking why. And by the way such golf courses are available right down the street. For a totally reasonable fee.

    And such a why-asking paranoid person would probably be a person in need of medications. Medications which, by the way, are available for sale in our local pharmacies. For a totally fair price!

    But I digress...back to "why?": Whelp, it always helps to follow the money. That's what us paranoid conspiracist why-asking persons in need of medications always go back to. The money. Follow it.

    You see, kids, in the past, 100 years and more, the white race and culture were devoted to expansion of territory. The more territory under control of washington DC, the more business was available to the corporations and plutocrats who operated in the USA. Fiefdoms of commerce, and all that. So therefore it helped those at the top to have a culture that had pride in citizenship. You were an american, by god! And it was your patriotic duty to go join the army and fight for a patch of land somewhere far from here. And once that patch of land came under domain of washington DC the army and justice system would make it feasible for the american plutocrats and corporations to do business there and sell goods and services there. Goods and services which, by the way, were offered at a totally fair and reasonable price!

    But now things have changed. Almost all of those patches of land have been made safe for western style commerce. Aw shucks! No more need to have the american people have pride in being an american. That whole pride in citizenship thing is obsolete. Serves no purpose.

    Now there is a different game afoot. It's the cattle ranch game, kids! And it's lotsa fun, too! Here's the deal: the thing to do now is to cram as much worker-consumer livestock into america as possible. The more human livestock ya got on the ranch, the higher corporate profits and GDP go.

    Now of course there are obstacles to achieving this goal of maximum human livestock on the ranch called America. One such obstacle is that darn old obsolete pride in citizenship thing. It is certainly more convenient to have the masses see citizenship associated with mere documentation. Having the white majority masses see citizenship in this manner would sure be more convenient for our corporate overlords (oops, there I go again with that paranoid verbiage. Better take a pill!).

    How can this "pride in citizenship" relic be removed? Well, ya gotta get to the white kids young. Shape their worldview before it gets set in place. So, how do they do that? Well, the plutocrats and corporations donate money to nonprofit foundations, and the foundations give grants to academics, writers and activists that will pump out multiculturalist/anti-white propaganda. Get them white kiddies to thinking that having pride in whiteness is akin to being Hitler. The Ultimate Sin. So you are against cramming more nonwhite thirdworlders into america? Why, you must be hitler/satan/Pure-Evil!

    It's the Long Game. Done via propaganda and memes. You mold and domesticate the culture via propaganda and memes over decades.

    Anyway, it's all a done deal now. The minds of white kids done been sanitized. The only holdovers are the old white relics, mostly male. They steam and fret in their kitchens, fondling their firearms and their bullion coins and writing seditious comments on the internets. They remember pride of citizenship. And they wonder, whuh hoppen? What happened to my america?

    Sigh.

    But there is one problem. A little bitty fly in the ointment, to coin a phrase. You see, as people get older, they get more perspective and knowledge. And their sense of self grows and grows. And the hold of the propaganda inserted in youth weakens. And it sure don't help when you have these after-effect avalanches of multiculturalism such as the L'Affaire zimmerman-trayvon and L'Affaire Ferguson MO. These sorts of things are breaking down the hold of propaganda on white minds. Hence the recent GOP electoral landslides in the states and in Congress.

    Is the white mind shaking off the propaganda hold of their corporate overlords? (**takes pill**).

    Can the white majority wake up in time? Will they realize they are close to being able to break the grip of the corporations, exerted via Washington DC? Will they realize they can call a constitutional convention of the state legislatures and alter the constitution to take back power? Can they do this before the effects of demographic cuckolding make this impossible forever? Can they do this before too many old white relics die?

    Tune in next decade, same bat-time, same bat-channel!

    What utter crap. It wasn’t “the plutocrats,” you marxist scum, who assaulted patriotism, it was your hairy smelly lefty brethren who deliberately and successfully assaulted everything square, everything decent and clean, everything mom and apple pie, every natural impulse of love for home, in the horrible subversive sixties, the memory of which still make you orgasmic.

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    ricpic says:
    November 23, 2014 at 11:43 pm GMT

    @leftist conservative

    What utter crap. It wasn’t “the plutocrats,” you marxist scum, who assaulted patriotism, it was your hairy smelly lefty brethren who deliberately and successfully assaulted everything square, everything decent and clean, everything mom and apple pie, every natural impulse of love for home, in the horrible subversive sixties, the memory of which still make you orgasmic.
     
    excuse me....but my beret needs adjusting... and Marie, will please ask the proprietor to bring water with the Pernod next time...merci...now, where was I? Ah, yes, our plans for the marxist takeover of america...
  98. I dunno what the word means in the old days but in the current context its a porn fetish where a man watches his woman have sex with other men and its some kind of bizarre bdsm thing where he gets humiliated. Its basically “your woman thinks you’re so worthless she sleeps with men in front of you and makes you watch it in humiliation.” Like a dominatrix thing.

    The person who made the original post referenced probably meant that feminists are the “tops” or “alphas” in the relationship and the man is the “cuckold” or “beta” or “b*tch” in the relationship….

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  99. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Chinese military non-adventurism:

    “China Said to Turn Reef Into Airstrip in Disputed Water”, Jane Perlez, New York Times, 23-Nov-2014:

    “New satellite imagery reported by IHS Jane’s on Thursday showed construction of a new island about 9,850 feet long and 985 feet wide at Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands. The new island would be capable of supporting a runway and apron, the security group said.

    Dredgers were also creating a harbor that would be large enough to dock warships, Jane’s said in its report. …

    …moving sand onto reefs and shoals and creating at least three new islands that could serve as bases for Chinese surveillance and as resupply stations…

    … “…this facility appears purpose-built to coerce other claimants into relinquishing their claims and possession…” …”

    Simultaneous with a conference to “…showcase President Xi Jinping’s call for a new regional security architecture based on the concept of Asia for Asians…”

    Asia for Asians!

    (Isn’t that racist? Are they allowed to say something like that?)

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  100. “Anon says:

    Honest intellectuals mention Jewishness equally when the person does something good or bad.”

    Honest intellectuals? You know some? Most intellectuals don’t mention anything which will get them in trouble – like the ethnic affiliation of those groups of whom criticism is proscribed.

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  101. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In recent decades China was seriously constrained in the military adventurism department by lack of modern military hardware and a complete inability to project force beyond their territory. (The Vietnamese were largely able to hold off the Chinese invasion because things like the Soviet-supplied artillery out-ranged the Chinese.) But the times are changing:

    “ISIS attacks Iraqi helicopters using Chinese FN-6 MANPADS”, October 9, 2014, global aviation report: “(ISIL) has released images showing a militant firing a Chinese FN-6 man-portable air-defence system (MANPADS) at an Iraqi Army helicopter…”

    This article looks extracted from: “Islamic State uses MANPADS against Iraqi helo”, Jeremy Binnie, Jane’s Defence Weekly, 08 October 2014: “…Iraqi Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed that an Mi-35M was shot down near Bayji in Salah-al-Din province on 3 October. Iraqi officials said a shoulder-fired missile brought down a Bell 407 in the same area on 8 October. …”

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    Speaking of the ground zero of immigration cockoldry:

    “Obama immigration plan called vague, frustrating”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Nov 21, 2014:

    “..Infosys, the giant Bangalore, India-based outsourcing company that’s one of the largest users of the H-1B visa. …had 12,767 employees in the U.S. on H-1B visas as of March. It had 1,322 employees on L-1 visas, which are used by multinational businesses for intra-company transfers. …

    …if the White House changed the definition of an L-1 visa to make it less restrictive, a multinational company could increase its use of L-1 visas and decrease its use of H-1Bs. Unlike the H-1B visa, there is no cap on the number of L-1 visas that can be issued.

    …Some argued that Obama had much bigger options, particularly for green cards. He could have required that all 140,000 employment-based green cards go to workers themselves. Today, half of those employment green cards are set aside for dependents of workers with permanent residency status.

    In its announcement, the White House affirmed that it will allow some spouses of H-1B visa holders to take jobs. It has already issued rules and could act quickly to implement the spouse rule. …”

    I think these guys really do believe that they can basically do anything because the speed to the “talk cycle” and the “reality cycle” are so different. They are counting on causality being completely lost in the barrage… when all else fails, blanket them in naked women pics I guess is the strategy.

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  103. @ricpic
    What utter crap. It wasn't "the plutocrats," you marxist scum, who assaulted patriotism, it was your hairy smelly lefty brethren who deliberately and successfully assaulted everything square, everything decent and clean, everything mom and apple pie, every natural impulse of love for home, in the horrible subversive sixties, the memory of which still make you orgasmic.

    ricpic says:
    November 23, 2014 at 11:43 pm GMT

    What utter crap. It wasn’t “the plutocrats,” you marxist scum, who assaulted patriotism, it was your hairy smelly lefty brethren who deliberately and successfully assaulted everything square, everything decent and clean, everything mom and apple pie, every natural impulse of love for home, in the horrible subversive sixties, the memory of which still make you orgasmic.

    excuse me….but my beret needs adjusting… and Marie, will please ask the proprietor to bring water with the Pernod next time…merci…now, where was I? Ah, yes, our plans for the marxist takeover of america…

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  104. @Reg Cæsar

    German men, in general, seem to be missing the humor gene.
     
    That went to the Danes. And crossed the channel with Cerdic.

    Yeah, the Britons must have found him a real laugh riot back in the day!

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  105. @notsaying
    All of our major social contracts have been frequently violated, broken or just trampled into nothingness.

    The relationships I am thinking of include that between:

    1. Government and the citizens;
    2. Employers and Employees;
    3. The bonds of love and care between each of us and our fellow citizens;
    4. Worst of all, the bonds of love and care between parent and child. Usually the love is there but the care is not what is should be. That includes neglect and lack of emotional and financial support by noncustodial parents; putting the new boyfriend/girlfriend or the job first all the time, being wrapped up in gadgets and or using money or saying "Yes" all the time to avoid really dealing with issues and feelings.


    If the government and societal conditions listed in #1-3 were much improved, that would help what goes on with #4. Or to put it another way, much of the increased problems with parent-child relationships would improve once we improved the other things.

    So when is anybody in charge in America going to even admit our social contracts must be repaired and revitalized, much less suggest how we can fix them?

    You have it backwards, my friend. If everyone would roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of #4, the rest of the list would take take care of itself. That’s why government works so hard to destroy the family. Strong families don’t need big government. We have a responsibility to raise our families well, like you say, but there’s no use whatsoever in waiting for government to change to help us to that end. Its whole purpose is antithetical to the purpose of the family.

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  106. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr. Anon
    "Bemused says:

    Hey Sailer boys – where’s the Jew talk?

    Isn’t there a rule that EVERY comment thread here sooner or later (usually sooner) devolves into an anti-Semitic slanging match?"

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread - your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.

    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don’t like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck. When you “like and respect” a person who happens to be Jewish, that’s irrelevant.

    You admit this by your own wording: ” your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, ”

    Nope and LULZ. The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or….pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing. Why? Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.

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    Nope and LULZ. The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or….pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing. Why? Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.
     
    I think it has a bit more to do with people like Boas, Gould, Adorno, Lewontin, and you, who are obviously hostile to the interests of Whites.

    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don’t like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck.
     
    No one claims that "Jews and Judaism suck". Judaism is an unstable strategy, prone to huge booms and busts, but overall it has been successful. It doesn't "suck".

    The problem is that Jewish interests conflict with those of Whites, and people like you want to prevent Whites from noticing and discussing this, while you consider yourself free to notice and discuss the White reaction to this conflict.

    That is a double standard.
  107. I do wonder if some germ could infect people an make them act with disloyalty to their own people, through a mechanism we don’t understand. Sounds crazy, but the gay germ theory makes sense, why not this?

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  108. @WhatEvvs

    No, because most people here probably like and respect John Milius. I know I do. You are clearly reading your own predilections into the thread – your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, and that therefore anyone who ever criticizes the actions or motives of someone who is jewish must necessarily be an anti-semite who hates all Jews.
     
    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don't like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck. When you "like and respect" a person who happens to be Jewish, that's irrelevant.

    You admit this by your own wording: " your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, "

    Nope and LULZ. The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or....pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing. Why? Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.

    Nope and LULZ. The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or….pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing. Why? Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.

    I think it has a bit more to do with people like Boas, Gould, Adorno, Lewontin, and you, who are obviously hostile to the interests of Whites.

    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don’t like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck.

    No one claims that “Jews and Judaism suck”. Judaism is an unstable strategy, prone to huge booms and busts, but overall it has been successful. It doesn’t “suck”.

    The problem is that Jewish interests conflict with those of Whites, and people like you want to prevent Whites from noticing and discussing this, while you consider yourself free to notice and discuss the White reaction to this conflict.

    That is a double standard.

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  109. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Because the person who runs this blog is a Jew-baiter, and the people who comment here are so inclined.”

    Welcome to the culture of critique mister Jewish Archie Bunker, and get used to it. Most of us have probably lived a life-time of it. Good for the goose and the gander, as they say. It’s nothing personal. Just strive for the truth.

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  110. “Bemused says:”

    Just pointing out your double standards. When a person who happens to be a Jew says or does something you don’t like, you claim that as evidence that Jews & Judaism suck. When you “like and respect” a person who happens to be Jewish, that’s irrelevant. ”

    What double standard? A simple g0ogle search of this site and my name has shown many instances where I have praised Jews. There are traits they tend to have as a group which are good. And there are traits then tend to have as a group which are bad. At least they are bad for the rest of us. You are either ignorant or a liar.

    “You admit this by your own wording: ” your own bias that any criticism of Jews is illigitimate, ””

    So, according to you, any criticism IS indeed illigitimate? Jews are unique as being a people above all criticism?

    “Nope and LULZ.”

    “LULZ”? That’s a stupid expression.

    “The subject of Jews is constant and obsessive here. The subject comes up whether Sailer has incited his commenters or not. The mere presence of a Jewish sounding name, or a person of fractional or remote Jewish ancestry, or….pretty much anything, is cause enough for the comments to degenerate into crude Jew-bashing.”

    No, there is simply some criticism to be found here. And some criticism – any criticism – is too much for obsessive ethnic chauvinists like you.

    You don’t seem very “bemused” to me – you seem tendentious, mendacious, and prone to grievance mongering.

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  111. @Bemused

    And by the way, it is you who are the witch-finder here. You were the one who pointed out that Milius is jewish, and then asked why nobody was pointing it out. Evidently, the thread did not provide the anti-semitism you expected and wanted to find here, so you interjected it yourself.

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