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From the New York Times Magazine:

Education by the Numbers

Statistics show just how profound the inequalities in America’s education system have become.
By ALICE YIN
SEPT. 8, 2017

The statistics here suggest how much has changed — and not changed — in the more than 60 years since the Supreme Court’s ruling in Brown v. Board of Education was supposed to make education equally accessible to all Americans.

Demographics
The racial makeup of the U.S. school system is shifting. Public schools are seeing surges in the enrollment of students of color; Latinos are leading the increases, while the numbers of white students are shrinking. White families in cities like Washington are flocking to private schools, where fewer black students are in attendance.

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Segregation
Over the course of decades, court-ordered desegregation led to more diverse student bodies in Southern schools. But after integration peaked in 1988, courts began releasing schools from their mandates, and segregation began to take hold again. The trend extends beyond the South, too: Metropolitan districts from California to New York are seeing higher and higher concentrations of black and Latino students in certain schools.

The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children to use to integrate public schools.

Perhaps progressives will soon demand a court-ordered white child breeding program to increase the number of white children to be drafted into the Integration Corps.

 
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  1. The progressives might want to eavesdrop on alt-right sites to see how this grand experiment is seen by at least some of its White alumni. This is from the comments section of the Right Stuff podcast, episode #191: “White After Labor Day”:

    le trav
    September 6, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    During the 1980’s from 3rd to 5th grade, I lived in St. Louis during forced bussing.
    For those who don’t know, forced bussing was a program where they would take black kids from the slums and bus them out to the lily-white suburbs.
    I understand that in some cities they bussed white kids in the other direction but not in St.Louis. It was a hair-brained scheme cooked up by liberals in the 70’s to undo the damage of white flight.
    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.
    [...]
    I won’t say I’ve been 1488 since age 8. But what I will say is that I get why (((they))) bombard kids with positive images of blacks at an early age.
    Because if a white kid’s first experience with blacks is real undomesticated ghetto blacks, like the real McCoy, it leaves an impression and gives you some resistance to media propaganda. I’ve always been cynical about the media trying to portray blacks as angels. I’ve always been weary of trusting blacks or giving them the benefit of the doubt. In a way, I’m glad I had that experience.

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    , @Dr. X

    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.

     

    The political Left is beginning to advocate more, not less, forced integration. Whites who had negative experiences with busing in the 1970s and 1980s bailed out of the cities and moved to the suburbs, so the liberals are now starting to plot county-wide school districts to extend the range of forced integration.

    You've got to read halfway down the article to get to the part about schools, but here's a Democratic mayoral primary in which a white, female, do-gooder liberal (and former media figure) is advocating county-wide schools to improve minority academic performance:

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/09/07/warren-sheppard-barnhart-debate-tonight/641074001/
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  2. Stealth says:

    White kids: Can’t learn with ‘em. Can’t learn without ‘em.

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A predictably inane Twitter feed from Ms. Yin: https://twitter.com/byaliceyin

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    A predictably inane Twitter feed from Ms. Yin: https://twitter.com/byaliceyin
     
    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice's dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Pretty much the post-1965 American DREAM, no?
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  4. The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    I thought goodwhites and deep thinkers like Tennessee Coates were agreed that our little black snowflakes needed to be protected from white privilege and its attendant microaggressions and cultural appropriation and so racial segregation was preferred.

    No. The “big problem” is “The Gap” in test results between Sun People and Ice People. And if we can just get the latter all off into their own white ghettos, then that problem will go away.

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    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    That's one of the defining characteristics of the self-styled progressive: they pick an earlier era to demonize and won't shift from it for decades or even centuries. In this case, the school desegregation crisis of the late Eisenhower era must always remain something that just happened a couple of years ago. Before the progressives had the 1950s to kick around, they had the Victorian era. They beat that dead horse well into the jet age.
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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Cagey Beast
    The progressives might want to eavesdrop on alt-right sites to see how this grand experiment is seen by at least some of its White alumni. This is from the comments section of the Right Stuff podcast, episode #191: "White After Labor Day":

    le trav
    September 6, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    During the 1980’s from 3rd to 5th grade, I lived in St. Louis during forced bussing.
    For those who don’t know, forced bussing was a program where they would take black kids from the slums and bus them out to the lily-white suburbs.
    I understand that in some cities they bussed white kids in the other direction but not in St.Louis. It was a hair-brained scheme cooked up by liberals in the 70’s to undo the damage of white flight.
    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.
    [...]
    I won’t say I’ve been 1488 since age 8. But what I will say is that I get why (((they))) bombard kids with positive images of blacks at an early age.
    Because if a white kid’s first experience with blacks is real undomesticated ghetto blacks, like the real McCoy, it leaves an impression and gives you some resistance to media propaganda. I’ve always been cynical about the media trying to portray blacks as angels. I’ve always been weary of trusting blacks or giving them the benefit of the doubt. In a way, I’m glad I had that experience.
     

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    Howsoever can we break the monopoly that white people have over the scarce resource of white children?
    , @TangoMan
    despite evidence it did no harm to white schoolchildren

    I suppose it's asking too much for a NYT reporter to do some cursory research:

    Our results show that the resegregation of CMS schools widened inequality of outcomes between whites and minorities. We estimate that all students, white and black, score lower on high school exams when they attend schools with more minority students. We find that a 10 percentage point increase in the share of minorities in a student’s assigned school decreases high school test scores by about 0.014 standard deviations, which aligns closely with results from other studies of the effect of peer racial composition (e.g., Hoxby 2000; Vigdor and Ludwig 2008; Hanusheket al. 2009). Since the net effect of rezoning was that students attended schools with a greater share of peers of their own race, our estimates imply a widening of the racial achievement gap of about 0.025 standard deviations. We also find that white students are less likely to graduate from high school or attend a four-year college when they are assigned to schools with more minority students.
     
    , @CCZ
    "The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children..."

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin's website:


    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.
     
    , @Dave Shanken
    The desegregation decision meant (originally) that race could not be used as a criterion for school assignments. By adroit manipulations, America's leaders have used the decision to make race a major consideration for school assignments. Sleaze bag sales types referred to this as "Bait and Switch" .
    , @guest
    "Recedes in desegregation?" Does she mean re-segregates? Or in plainer English segregates? Why not just say that? It helps xer point, rhetorically.
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  6. “Perhaps progressives will soon demand a court-ordered white child breeding program to increase the number of white children to be drafted into the Integration Corps.”

    Somebody’s been watching The Handmaid’s Tale.

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  7. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Among ‘Latino’ students, I would like to see the racial breakdown.

    How ‘latino’ are the ones who are doing least well?

    Also, are ‘latinos’ and blacks ending up in same schools or attending different schools in different ‘hoods?

    And which group are Asian students integrating with?

    Words like ‘color’ is meaningless. White ‘latinos’ count as color, but Asians are treated as… either invisible or clear. Not white but.. sort of transparent.

    Whites, people of color, and people of glass.

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  8. Hodag says:

    I knew I should have gone out there for the Walker Cup. What a golf course! I think it is better than Royal Melbourne, another course I have seen on TV. The land is fantastic, a tee next to the Playboy Mansion and these kids driving it out there over 350 struggling for bogey. The 78 yard 15th driving everybody nuts. The burned out fairways…the 50/50 Bermuda rough.

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  9. Statistics show just how profound the inequalities in America’s education system have become.
    By ALICE YIN
    SEPT. 8, 2017

    I need to hear Jim Yang’s take.

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    Haha, I got that.

    How about "NYT: Statistics show American education system causes problems out the YinYang".


    BTW, you working hard or hardly working?

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  10. Dr. X says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The progressives might want to eavesdrop on alt-right sites to see how this grand experiment is seen by at least some of its White alumni. This is from the comments section of the Right Stuff podcast, episode #191: "White After Labor Day":

    le trav
    September 6, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    During the 1980’s from 3rd to 5th grade, I lived in St. Louis during forced bussing.
    For those who don’t know, forced bussing was a program where they would take black kids from the slums and bus them out to the lily-white suburbs.
    I understand that in some cities they bussed white kids in the other direction but not in St.Louis. It was a hair-brained scheme cooked up by liberals in the 70’s to undo the damage of white flight.
    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.
    [...]
    I won’t say I’ve been 1488 since age 8. But what I will say is that I get why (((they))) bombard kids with positive images of blacks at an early age.
    Because if a white kid’s first experience with blacks is real undomesticated ghetto blacks, like the real McCoy, it leaves an impression and gives you some resistance to media propaganda. I’ve always been cynical about the media trying to portray blacks as angels. I’ve always been weary of trusting blacks or giving them the benefit of the doubt. In a way, I’m glad I had that experience.
     

    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.

    The political Left is beginning to advocate more, not less, forced integration. Whites who had negative experiences with busing in the 1970s and 1980s bailed out of the cities and moved to the suburbs, so the liberals are now starting to plot county-wide school districts to extend the range of forced integration.

    You’ve got to read halfway down the article to get to the part about schools, but here’s a Democratic mayoral primary in which a white, female, do-gooder liberal (and former media figure) is advocating county-wide schools to improve minority academic performance:

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/09/07/warren-sheppard-barnhart-debate-tonight/641074001/

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    As someone who grew up in one of the whitest and one of the best school districts in the Rochester area, within Monroe County, I can tell you that forced integration would be crushing for an area that's already a miserable place to live. Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing. What a kick in the teeth.
    , @Anonymous
    Nashville has county-wide schools, so the schools in the entire county have a bad reputation, except for some elementary schools and magnet schools. Generally, people either move out to one of the surrounding counties or send their kids to private schools, unless their kids get into the good magnet schools. People without these options try to make the best of the schools their kids have to attend. It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities.
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  11. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/byaliceyin/status/905510697001472000

    Howsoever can we break the monopoly that white people have over the scarce resource of white children?

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    White kids are the nation's most sought after commodity.
    , @guest
    What about that mad scientist who invented white people in his lab in Africa? He can cook up some more.
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  12. Yan Shen says:

    These kinds of stories usually operate on two levels. Asian Americans are often ignored or excluded from the mainstream discourse on these kinds of matters, so on the one hand you have the narrative of white students fleeing from underachieving blacks and Hispanics.

    Of course at the truly elite STEM focused high schools, what’s really happening is that Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!

    http://www.insidenova.com/headlines/incoming-thomas-jefferson-freshman-class-skews-heavily-asian-mostly-male/article_f5a1813c-3b0e-11e7-a5e7-0b3e79b92f05.html

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Asian Americans are often ignored or excluded from the mainstream discourse on these kinds of matters, so on the one hand you have the narrative of white students fleeing from underachieving blacks and Hispanics.

    Some of that is for statistical reasons. Lots of school performance metrics in a lot of states break the demographics down to whits-everyone else. Schools love it because aggrigating Asians with "everyone else" looks good statistically on those gap-closing metrics.
    , @Stacy235l

    Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!
     
    You're bragging about the results of cheating. Has it ever occurred to you that if asians were really the most intelligent then the "best schools" would be in Asia? You wouldn't need to take anything from us "mediocre" whites.
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  13. AM says:

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960′s. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to “Who Are The Beatles?” (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They’re a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we’re not really sure if the rest aren’t just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let’s face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for “real”. The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it’s always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

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    I've given this a lot of thought and have come to believe television is the greatest single cause of the Boomer blockage. TV sets sat in every damned living room and kept every household in sync with the same cultural metronome for decade after decade. As the TVs droned on, they washed away regional accents, political and religious bonds and any strong sense that "people like us" don't do that or care about such things. We were all expected to have the same memories, be obsessed with the same things, think bad or good of the same people and on and on.

    We're all only now breaking out of its spell as television dies as a medium. Ironically, it's the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    , @Anonymous
    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you're really angry at.
    , @Desiderius
    It's as much if not more marketed at the millennials who missed out on all the fun the first time around.

    History repeats itself: the first time as tragedy, the second as LARP.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    ... we’re not really sure if the rest [ of the bee-ulls ] aren’t just animated husks stuffed with money.
     
    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KAvPbO8JY

    I like that one better, though... RIP

    "Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    Heart and soul...
    "
    , @Forbes
    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a '60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (As a conservative in prog-left NYC, it's obviously cross-generational.) I don't recognize most of the complaints (Boomers as the cause of dysfunction) I read here on iSteve (and elsewhere), and don't see it amongst my personal contemporaries. Don't get me wrong--the critiques are generally valid--but the targeted cause is a bit off the mark.

    The '68ers of the summer of discontent that disrupted the Dem Convention, etc., were not Boomers, having been born before WW II. Hoffman, Rubin, Hayden et al., the Chicago Seven/Eight, the New Left of the Port Huron statement (1962), the SDS, Weather Underground--Ayers & Dorhn--are not from my generation. David Dellinger of the Chicago Seven was born in 1915! From the New Left of '62 to antifa of '17--that's a lot of bagage to heap on a generation.

    Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it's either the 1860s or the 1960s--slavery or civil rights--they're born of '60s era liberalism, not specifically Boomer sensibilities.

    Admittedly, many Boomers have piled on that bandwagon.
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  14. Stealth says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Howsoever can we break the monopoly that white people have over the scarce resource of white children?

    White kids are the nation’s most sought after commodity.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Maybe someone should do a remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and make it about White flight and school busing? It has a character called the Child Catcher, who tries to nab the two blond kids for some reason. The flying car is a White flight metaphor all on its own.
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  15. @Steve in Greensboro
    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    I thought goodwhites and deep thinkers like Tennessee Coates were agreed that our little black snowflakes needed to be protected from white privilege and its attendant microaggressions and cultural appropriation and so racial segregation was preferred.

    No. The “big problem” is “The Gap” in test results between Sun People and Ice People. And if we can just get the latter all off into their own white ghettos, then that problem will go away.

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    That’s one of the defining characteristics of the self-styled progressive: they pick an earlier era to demonize and won’t shift from it for decades or even centuries. In this case, the school desegregation crisis of the late Eisenhower era must always remain something that just happened a couple of years ago. Before the progressives had the 1950s to kick around, they had the Victorian era. They beat that dead horse well into the jet age.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Much like how for neocons it's always 1938, and for some inexplicable reason we're Britain.
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  16. Alice says:

    You’re slow to the party. Minnesota noticed this almost two years ago. Minnesota is the vanguard if the Left’s education policies. What starts there goes everywhere. The left in MN has had a big campaign there to show how “segregated” the Minneapolis Public schools and St. Paul public schools are.

    http://m.startribune.com/urban-school-districts-are-among-least-integrated/339132801/

    http://m.startribune.com/inner-city-schools-segregate-as-suburban-schools-diversify/334690491/

    They want to force racial quotas and restrictions on the charters there, where admission is entirely by lottery. MN had the first charter schools in the US, and some of the highest ranking. MN also has one of the most liberal cross-districting policies. Most districts are at the municipal level. State law says anyone can apply their child to any school in the state, and as long as there is space in the school they have to take you. (That was originally how they got the minority numbers into the suburban schools. Now districts use it to bleed off gifted students and other students whose parents rabblerouse and demand their kid get taught.)

    But the leftist movement didn’t get enough traction because World War T was making bigger inroads into destroying charters.

    http://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/gender-discrimination-charge-settled-with-st-paul-charter/462578474

    Note the prevention of parents opting out of their kids’ indoctrination.

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    My town in MN, a half hour or so away from the cities, has been full of browns for as long as I can remember. But my high school class had about 3 blacks. These days, I can't leave the house without tripping over blacks.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they were bused into town and set free, like they do with problem dogs in the movies. "You're home now. Go on, I never loved you anyway!"

    For their own good, because the schools sit on magic dirt, full of magic whites. Plus a bunch of browns for them to fistfight/stab.

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  17. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dr. X

    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.

     

    The political Left is beginning to advocate more, not less, forced integration. Whites who had negative experiences with busing in the 1970s and 1980s bailed out of the cities and moved to the suburbs, so the liberals are now starting to plot county-wide school districts to extend the range of forced integration.

    You've got to read halfway down the article to get to the part about schools, but here's a Democratic mayoral primary in which a white, female, do-gooder liberal (and former media figure) is advocating county-wide schools to improve minority academic performance:

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/09/07/warren-sheppard-barnhart-debate-tonight/641074001/

    As someone who grew up in one of the whitest and one of the best school districts in the Rochester area, within Monroe County, I can tell you that forced integration would be crushing for an area that’s already a miserable place to live. Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing. What a kick in the teeth.

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    Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing.
     
    The Avon and Palmyra-Macedon school districts will be overwhelmed with new white students...
    , @Joe Farnsworth
    As per an interview on local NPR radio recently with black activists and clergy, whites MUST reconcile themselves to not only losing their "white privelege", but also accepting a lower economic status (presumably a smaller proportional slice of much smaller pie) and a lower standard of living. Moving black thugs to former toney upper-class suburbs is just part of this process...
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  18. TangoMan says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/byaliceyin/status/905510697001472000

    despite evidence it did no harm to white schoolchildren

    I suppose it’s asking too much for a NYT reporter to do some cursory research:

    Our results show that the resegregation of CMS schools widened inequality of outcomes between whites and minorities. We estimate that all students, white and black, score lower on high school exams when they attend schools with more minority students. We find that a 10 percentage point increase in the share of minorities in a student’s assigned school decreases high school test scores by about 0.014 standard deviations, which aligns closely with results from other studies of the effect of peer racial composition (e.g., Hoxby 2000; Vigdor and Ludwig 2008; Hanusheket al. 2009). Since the net effect of rezoning was that students attended schools with a greater share of peers of their own race, our estimates imply a widening of the racial achievement gap of about 0.025 standard deviations. We also find that white students are less likely to graduate from high school or attend a four-year college when they are assigned to schools with more minority students.

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    • Replies: @guest
    NYT doesn't recognize the existence of hate facts. Unless it's to mock them, or as evidence in heresy trials.
    , @Ganderson
    After doing brief bit of googling I found that it would seem that Alice Yin went to Northwestern. I wonder what sort of high school she went to? Anyone...? Bueller...?
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  19. @Stealth
    White kids are the nation's most sought after commodity.

    Maybe someone should do a remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and make it about White flight and school busing? It has a character called the Child Catcher, who tries to nab the two blond kids for some reason. The flying car is a White flight metaphor all on its own.

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  20. @Anonymous
    A predictably inane Twitter feed from Ms. Yin: https://twitter.com/byaliceyin

    A predictably inane Twitter feed from Ms. Yin: https://twitter.com/byaliceyin

    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice’s dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Pretty much the post-1965 American DREAM, no?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice’s dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Immigriping by the wretched ingrates. There are simply too many rewards for expressing their cultural flavor.
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  21. JimB says:

    “Perhaps progressives will soon demand a court-ordered white child breeding program to increase the number of white children to be drafted into the Integration Corps.”

    Nah, just put white on half of Latino birth certificates. Then school districts can solemnly carry out their duty of integrating the “whites” with the “other.”

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  22. @AM

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!
     
    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960's. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to "Who Are The Beatles?" (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They're a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we're not really sure if the rest aren't just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let's face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for "real". The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it's always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

    I’ve given this a lot of thought and have come to believe television is the greatest single cause of the Boomer blockage. TV sets sat in every damned living room and kept every household in sync with the same cultural metronome for decade after decade. As the TVs droned on, they washed away regional accents, political and religious bonds and any strong sense that “people like us” don’t do that or care about such things. We were all expected to have the same memories, be obsessed with the same things, think bad or good of the same people and on and on.

    We’re all only now breaking out of its spell as television dies as a medium. Ironically, it’s the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    TV was and is a cultural poison. But business and Madison Avenue loved it because it was the perfect medium to convince people to buy shit they didn't need in order to feel good about themselves. For kids by 1980's, the scum bag Madison Avenue types became aware of them and started targeting them directly and turning them into mindless consumers like their parents.

    It was also a great way of inculcating a herd mentality among most whites. That's where TV news and talk shows came in. The elites had total control of the messages put out. Growing up in the 70's and 80's I got to see that shit in action, it was so obvious, even a teenager could see these old creeps were lying their asses off.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Ironically, it’s the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    For me it did because ever since Trump was elected I can't stand to watch TV, even what was my last refuge, Fox News. All Never Trump, all the time. It's totally converged, as Vox Day would say.

    Can't say I'm missing it.
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  23. CCZ says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/byaliceyin/status/905510697001472000

    “The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children…”

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin’s website:

    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.

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    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century ...
     
    Miss Alice Yin, doing the lying that Americans just won't do.

    "We NEED NEED NEED these people, or bull shit will lay rotting in the pastures!"
    , @guest
    Did she think about being an American years before she became an American, or was she American all along?

    Didn't Chinese nationalism penetrate her at all? Or is everyone in the world really an American trying to break out of the shell of their hopefully temporary home culture?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    And we are supposed to care, why? Can't you just do it in private?
    , @Forbes

    spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.
     
    Still in her childhood.
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  24. Dr. X says:
    @Anon
    As someone who grew up in one of the whitest and one of the best school districts in the Rochester area, within Monroe County, I can tell you that forced integration would be crushing for an area that's already a miserable place to live. Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing. What a kick in the teeth.

    Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing.

    The Avon and Palmyra-Macedon school districts will be overwhelmed with new white students…

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    Indeed. I guess that's one of the good things about living in Rochester - no traffic. 20 miles out to Avon means 20 minutes on the highway. 20 miles in a densely populated, fast growing metro in other parts of the country means 60-90 minutes in commuting time one way. Of course this only applies to those months in The Roch when there's not snow and ice on the ground.
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  25. My community did something similar to bussing which was building public housing right next to the neighborhood elementary school. The kids from the public housing had a 2 minute walk to school in the morning and were about a 50/50 mix of white and black.

    The rest of the surrounding community was upper-middle class white and almost entirely intact nuclear families. The public housing kids were almost all living with single mothers and assorted siblings.

    When the author of this piece asserts that no white children were “harmed” from bussing (academically) or forced integration I wonder how she would feel if her child was bit on the shoulder so hard that he or she had to be rushed to the emergency room bleeding like a stab victim?

    One of my earliest memories from school is seeing a black 2nd or 3rd grader lose a tetherball game and bite another student on the shoulder like a goddam pit bull.

    The hope for integration hard liners is not to improve academic performance but to inflict violence upon innocent children.

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    The author is a just another white hating Chinese import who'd love to see us eradicated. I bet like most Chinese, she only attended some swanky private schools and never had to deal with Blacks or Mexicans.

    The point is she's talking out her ass like most J-school grads.

    Busing hurt white kids physically, socially and academically. This is why parents fled to the suburbs. Lefties and ethnics know full well it did hurt them but they don't care, it's just white kids.

    In the high school I attended(on the edge of Los Angeles country in the high desert), they imported blacks from Los Angeles via subsidized housing set up for them. Their little savages were sent to my high school. Within a short period of time, the police had to conduct drug raids on campus usually on a bi-monthly basis. Every year we had a race riot between the whites and the savage black imports. They made several areas on campus no-go zones for whites. Nobody liked them.

    They were and are predators. It's why many of us have paid for the services of Mr. Mossberg and Glock in case these savages pay us a visit.
    , @AndrewR
    I attended a Catholic school and the one black kid in the school was in my 2nd grade class. He bit multiple students before he was removed from the school. None of the bites were as bad as in your story.
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  26. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I recently looked up the SAT scores for LAUSD, and I was surprised: about 22% of people taking the SAT got at or above 1500 out of 2400, which is pretty good for a school district that’s only about 10% white. This seems like an improvement from last I checked which was 10 years ago. I would like to see the ethnic breakdown though. Massachusetts is the only state I’ve seen so far that does this sort of thing for all schools statewide:

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/state_report/sat_perf.aspx

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    Thanks.
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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dr. X

    If ever there was a programmed designed to redpill children on race, it was forced bussing. Because some of these black kids were feral.

     

    The political Left is beginning to advocate more, not less, forced integration. Whites who had negative experiences with busing in the 1970s and 1980s bailed out of the cities and moved to the suburbs, so the liberals are now starting to plot county-wide school districts to extend the range of forced integration.

    You've got to read halfway down the article to get to the part about schools, but here's a Democratic mayoral primary in which a white, female, do-gooder liberal (and former media figure) is advocating county-wide schools to improve minority academic performance:

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/09/07/warren-sheppard-barnhart-debate-tonight/641074001/

    Nashville has county-wide schools, so the schools in the entire county have a bad reputation, except for some elementary schools and magnet schools. Generally, people either move out to one of the surrounding counties or send their kids to private schools, unless their kids get into the good magnet schools. People without these options try to make the best of the schools their kids have to attend. It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities.

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    "It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities."

    Somewhat correct, however they still have to be mingle with all the feral hood rats between classes and get shaken down for lunch money in the cafeteria.
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  28. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!
     
    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960's. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to "Who Are The Beatles?" (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They're a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we're not really sure if the rest aren't just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let's face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for "real". The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it's always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you’re really angry at.

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    This is a valid point. Many of the people with the most doctrinaire 68er attitudes around now are in their twenties to forties. The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.
    , @AM

    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you’re really angry at.
     
    LOL! I'm only observing the (social) weather.

    I could go into therapy Boomereseque style about such a pressing issue, but alas my life is too short and I'm too cheap. So you're stuck.

    The good news here is that mostly blather on about Catholic theology and take random pot shots, with the Boomers being only one of the targets. So relatively low ratios there.

    If anonymous Internet comments are upsetting, I'm sure there's a way to not read them. Or, alternatively, you could winnow down who you're really angry at that makes reading my comments oddly attractive.
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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dr. X

    Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing.
     
    The Avon and Palmyra-Macedon school districts will be overwhelmed with new white students...

    Indeed. I guess that’s one of the good things about living in Rochester – no traffic. 20 miles out to Avon means 20 minutes on the highway. 20 miles in a densely populated, fast growing metro in other parts of the country means 60-90 minutes in commuting time one way. Of course this only applies to those months in The Roch when there’s not snow and ice on the ground.

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  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alec Leamas

    A predictably inane Twitter feed from Ms. Yin: https://twitter.com/byaliceyin
     
    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice's dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Pretty much the post-1965 American DREAM, no?

    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice’s dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Immigriping by the wretched ingrates. There are simply too many rewards for expressing their cultural flavor.

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    Did she Cry Among The Farmland?
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  31. Nick Diaz says:

    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn’t complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

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    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there's the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there's the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren't particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve's comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one's own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What's a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan's orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don't have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it'll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    , @Desiderius

    lowerr educational level
     
    Slurring one's speech is a dead giveaway. Don't sell yourself short though, Diaz - if you pick your spots there's still some solid demand for unskilled but enthusiastic labor.
    , @Tiny Duck
    Totally agree

    Conservative whites are basically ineffectual losers

    That is why there daughters are bearing Children of Color
    , @Stealth

    In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans.
     
    I don't think there are enough Argentine kids in the United States to justify contrasting them with native-born white counterparts. Couldn't fill up a space cruiser with that bunch.
    , @The Real David
    It's comments like this that will make the end of DACA, the building of the wall and millions of Nick's wailing co-ethnics returning to their third world countries so sweet.

    Fortunately, all of our "Latino" geniuses are white Cubans and white Argentinians according to Nick, so we'll keep those most likely.
    , @Stealth

    I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration.
     
    That's because most of them probably have enough money to insulate themselves from the negative effects of excessive immigration. Poor and middle class whites don't. Mass immigration and perpetual change aren't good for people who don't have the money and mobility to just pack up and leave when things take a turn for the worse.

    It's said that the best things in life are free. However, those things are not always available. When you don't have a lot of money, community life can mean a hell of a lot, and diversity doesn't exactly foster a sense of community. Too many Americans now feel like foreigners in places that used to feel like home. There aren't many benefits, but a hell of a lot of downsides.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn’t complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    As is typical with you, your points undo themselves. As you pointed out, the concern is economic, which most would consider more legit than "irrational fears of the Other", blah, blah. Most people at least can understand and appreciate opposition to something on economic grounds. thanks for addressing that, Nick.

    Of course Harvard grads don't care. The upper classes deep down have "evolved" past the idea of the nation state. Every member of that demographic I talk to honestly feels that we're moving to a borderless international order. They won't openly trumpet this as a party platform, but their actions, and their sentiments when one talks to them personally, say otherwise.

    The sooner this belief gets flushed out into the open, the better. It's time for these people to be honest: no, I don't believe in borders. Furthermore, I believe we are moving to one world beyond nation states. I embrace change, etc etc.

    You see anti-nationalism tossed around on the left rhetorically. Making middle/upper class libs face up to the fact that that's what they're advocating for will clear a lot of air.
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  32. @Anon
    I recently looked up the SAT scores for LAUSD, and I was surprised: about 22% of people taking the SAT got at or above 1500 out of 2400, which is pretty good for a school district that's only about 10% white. This seems like an improvement from last I checked which was 10 years ago. I would like to see the ethnic breakdown though. Massachusetts is the only state I've seen so far that does this sort of thing for all schools statewide:

    http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/state_report/sat_perf.aspx

    Thanks.

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    drop out rate in much of LA exceeds 50%
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  33. Tiny Duck says:

    I think private schools should be abolished

    I also think that white virus should be encouraged to give birth to Childten of College r

    No white people means no white flag guy and no racial disparities

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  34. @Anonymous
    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you're really angry at.

    This is a valid point. Many of the people with the most doctrinaire 68er attitudes around now are in their twenties to forties. The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.

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    "Mom, did you wash my black t-shirt and jeans? I have to go to a demonstration. And where's my black bandanna?"
    , @AM

    The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.
     
    Yep. We're all living the cultural Boomer dream still. Passed on from one generation to the next. Rebels without a clue, making sure they just the same as every other rebel. sigh
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  35. @AM

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!
     
    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960's. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to "Who Are The Beatles?" (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They're a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we're not really sure if the rest aren't just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let's face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for "real". The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it's always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

    It’s as much if not more marketed at the millennials who missed out on all the fun the first time around.

    History repeats itself: the first time as tragedy, the second as LARP.

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  36. Yan Shen says:
    @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there’s the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there’s the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren’t particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve’s comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one’s own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What’s a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don’t have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it’ll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

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    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you’re really angry at.

    "Some" = younger adults. Their parents were Boomers.

    Boomers = geezers whose time has passed.

    What About you, Boomer Disclaimer?
    , @Anonymous
    For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    In Japan, there's not really much difference between supporting Japan as a nation, and supporting the interests of Japanese people as a race, is there?

    When I was growing up here in the U.S., the people I knew weren't preoccupied with race. I think most of us thought that generally the U.S., American culture, and whites were pretty much one and the same. At that time, the number of non-whites in the U.S. was relatively small, although I imagine that people who grew up in the parts of the U.S. with greater numbers of non-whites, such as the Southwest, the inner cities, and multicultural New York City, had a different perspective on race. In fact, I attended a college where there was a sizeable percentage of students from N.Y.C. and its surrounding areas, and many of those students seemed pretty focused on the ethnic background of other students.

    , @Moses
    Shout it from the mountaintop Yan Shen! You are my favourite Asian supremacist.

    I admire your chutzpah. The fact that Asians have done pretty much zero innvovation -- tech, industry, mathematics, science, business -- and drafted off Euros for the last 1000 years does not deter you from regular chest-thumping here about Asian HBD superiority in math and science.

    Outstanding work.
    , @nigel
    "For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist."

    You are completely missing the point. The point is that Japan doesn't have to be explicitly racialist because they still have a nation, a people. They are simply pro Japanese. They have a society built for and by Japanese people. Whites, blacks, and Koreans may live in the country but they are not part of the nation. They are not one of the people and they never will be. Their children never will be.

    In almost all formerly white countries that is being taken from us. We are not allowed to have a nation or a people. We are simply economic zones called countries. In many cases we can't even have our own little communities in the style of a Chinatown or Koreatown. As soon as that starts to form we get forced diversity.

    Many of us on the alt right aren't all that concerned with economics. I have a great six figure income. I lack for nothing economically. What I really want is the same sense of community for my children that I had growing up. I want a nation and a people not a multicultural economic zone.
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  37. @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    lowerr educational level

    Slurring one’s speech is a dead giveaway. Don’t sell yourself short though, Diaz – if you pick your spots there’s still some solid demand for unskilled but enthusiastic labor.

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    Thanks. Maybe you can give me some pointers. I mean, given that you have the whole flipping-burgers thing nailed down since this is how you paid for the trailer you live in.
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  38. @AM

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!
     
    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960's. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to "Who Are The Beatles?" (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They're a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we're not really sure if the rest aren't just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let's face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for "real". The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it's always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

    … we’re not really sure if the rest [ of the bee-ulls ] aren’t just animated husks stuffed with money.

    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).

    I like that one better, though… RIP

    Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    Heart and soul…

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    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).
     
    There was that wonderful moment where I forgot George Harrison was with Lucy and her diamonds. All ruined. ;)
    , @StillCARealist
    What does "keep me free from birth" mean? That he doesn't want to conceive children with his women or that he wants to be liberated from his own parents and genetics?

    I guess he just had to have a word to rhyme with earth. I see he had only one acknowledged child.
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  39. Tiny Duck says:
    @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    Totally agree

    Conservative whites are basically ineffectual losers

    That is why there daughters are bearing Children of Color

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    " Childten of College r "

    ?


    Dear Tiny D, why can't you be just an above Average John and simply call us reprllent - so we can all call it a day?


    bored identity really expects little bit more effort on your side.

    Thank you for your understanding.
    , @bored identity
    Tiny D, you're forgeting your commandments:

    "Don't Troll on Shabbos !!!"
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  40. Stealth says:
    @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans.

    I don’t think there are enough Argentine kids in the United States to justify contrasting them with native-born white counterparts. Couldn’t fill up a space cruiser with that bunch.

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  41. songbird says:

    I was recently thinking about the big surprises Germans are in for.

    How many high school exchange programs are between some German city and an American suburb? How many of the participants of said programs actually understand the reason why this is so? If they said “cars”, they’d only be half right. And we didn’t teach them, when they came over. Instead, they’ve been sold a bill of goods by Hollywood.

    There’s a lot that may change. The career track school system, where you are tested out of going to certain schools, will probably be eliminated. The open campuses where schools are composed of multiple smaller buildings will probably transition to a central building, more like a prison, with locked doors and with at least one police officer on duty and maybe metal detectors. The school day will undoubtedly lengthen, to keep the kids off the streets.

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    The Germans are delusional at the moment. I was there for a few weeks this summer. They seem to believe they can make all of these refugees German and it is their duty due to the Holocaust. At least the people at the management level seem to think that. Meanwhile the kids are burned out on the Holocaust guilt and the people who really have to deal with the refugees see the problems.

    It the Germans allow the refugees to bring in their families, it is over. It might be over already but that would be the final nail.

    It was interesting to see the different perspectives while there:

    College Prof (German who has lived in US for several decades): Germany is great, college basically free, everyone paid well. I'm renewing so I can vote against AfD.

    Church Youth Leader: Holocaust, holocaust, bad, bad and we must help refugees.

    School Teacher: I taught phys-ed and it was impossible to teach Muslim girls to swim. Frustrating. Oh, and free college just lets people avoid getting jobs. They need to make them pay more.

    Youth: How should I know history. All we hear is Holocaust and Hitler. BTW, why are we blamed for WWI with Austria and Russia started it? And Hitler was Austrian as well.

    Sermon: Social Justice, Social Justice, ad nauseum.
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  42. @Alec Leamas

    Statistics show just how profound the inequalities in America’s education system have become.
    By ALICE YIN
    SEPT. 8, 2017
     
    I need to hear Jim Yang's take.

    Haha, I got that.

    How about “NYT: Statistics show American education system causes problems out the YinYang”.

    BTW, you working hard or hardly working?

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  43. @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    It’s comments like this that will make the end of DACA, the building of the wall and millions of Nick’s wailing co-ethnics returning to their third world countries so sweet.

    Fortunately, all of our “Latino” geniuses are white Cubans and white Argentinians according to Nick, so we’ll keep those most likely.

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  44. @CCZ
    "The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children..."

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin's website:


    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.
     

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century …

    Miss Alice Yin, doing the lying that Americans just won’t do.

    “We NEED NEED NEED these people, or bull shit will lay rotting in the pastures!”

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  45. Rod1963 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I've given this a lot of thought and have come to believe television is the greatest single cause of the Boomer blockage. TV sets sat in every damned living room and kept every household in sync with the same cultural metronome for decade after decade. As the TVs droned on, they washed away regional accents, political and religious bonds and any strong sense that "people like us" don't do that or care about such things. We were all expected to have the same memories, be obsessed with the same things, think bad or good of the same people and on and on.

    We're all only now breaking out of its spell as television dies as a medium. Ironically, it's the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    TV was and is a cultural poison. But business and Madison Avenue loved it because it was the perfect medium to convince people to buy shit they didn’t need in order to feel good about themselves. For kids by 1980′s, the scum bag Madison Avenue types became aware of them and started targeting them directly and turning them into mindless consumers like their parents.

    It was also a great way of inculcating a herd mentality among most whites. That’s where TV news and talk shows came in. The elites had total control of the messages put out. Growing up in the 70′s and 80′s I got to see that shit in action, it was so obvious, even a teenager could see these old creeps were lying their asses off.

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  46. Stealth says:
    @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration.

    That’s because most of them probably have enough money to insulate themselves from the negative effects of excessive immigration. Poor and middle class whites don’t. Mass immigration and perpetual change aren’t good for people who don’t have the money and mobility to just pack up and leave when things take a turn for the worse.

    It’s said that the best things in life are free. However, those things are not always available. When you don’t have a lot of money, community life can mean a hell of a lot, and diversity doesn’t exactly foster a sense of community. Too many Americans now feel like foreigners in places that used to feel like home. There aren’t many benefits, but a hell of a lot of downsides.

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    Most of those 3rd-world 'immigrants' qualify for affirmative action, a fact rarely taken into account by most immigration promoters. Likewise most Harvard graduates can pull legacy status to benefit their children and well may have been so benefited by their parents.

    Whether it's neighborhoods, schools, safety, crime, poverty, immigration or almost any other social concern, the people most willing to socially engineer other people's lives are the ones who live far enough away from the results of their efforts to be unaffected by them. In court ordered bussing or neighborhood desegregation, how many members of the 'court's' family and friends have actually been affected? Few, if any.

    People who are not happy at having their lives socially engineered by others are then called racists, xenophobes, etc in an effort to silence and marginalize them. Those who are affected see this clearly.

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  47. @Tiny Duck
    Totally agree

    Conservative whites are basically ineffectual losers

    That is why there daughters are bearing Children of Color

    ” Childten of College r ”

    ?

    Dear Tiny D, why can’t you be just an above Average John and simply call us reprllent – so we can all call it a day?

    bored identity really expects little bit more effort on your side.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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  48. @Tiny Duck
    Totally agree

    Conservative whites are basically ineffectual losers

    That is why there daughters are bearing Children of Color

    Tiny D, you’re forgeting your commandments:

    “Don’t Troll on Shabbos !!!”

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  49. Yak-15 says:

    These stories are great. They are an infinite loop of hand-wringing and liberal tongue twisting that keep the NYT in business.

    They will never go away because most of the inequality is genetic and so is the inability to see the real root cause. Anyhow, anyone that votes democrati should be forced to bus their kids into a black school district to help with the process.

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    Anyone who votes Democrat shouldn't be allowed around children.

    My hypershitlib sister brought her nine year old daughter to a protest a few months ago. They were photographed together, and my niece was holding a sign that said ANTIFASCIST. My sister posted this publicly on Facebook.

    The rage I felt was extreme.

    Our parents never modeled this type of narcissism-through-using-children-as-political-props-for-issues-they-know-absolutely-nothing-about.

    I am truly ashamed to be her brother.

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  50. @Yan Shen
    These kinds of stories usually operate on two levels. Asian Americans are often ignored or excluded from the mainstream discourse on these kinds of matters, so on the one hand you have the narrative of white students fleeing from underachieving blacks and Hispanics.

    Of course at the truly elite STEM focused high schools, what's really happening is that Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!

    http://www.insidenova.com/headlines/incoming-thomas-jefferson-freshman-class-skews-heavily-asian-mostly-male/article_f5a1813c-3b0e-11e7-a5e7-0b3e79b92f05.html

    Asian Americans are often ignored or excluded from the mainstream discourse on these kinds of matters, so on the one hand you have the narrative of white students fleeing from underachieving blacks and Hispanics.

    Some of that is for statistical reasons. Lots of school performance metrics in a lot of states break the demographics down to whits-everyone else. Schools love it because aggrigating Asians with “everyone else” looks good statistically on those gap-closing metrics.

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  51. @Nick Diaz
    LOL, you talk as if white kids were all academic superstars. The reality is that the vast majority of white kids are scholastically mediocre. In fact, white kids are mid-tier academically: more successful than blacks and Latinos, sure, but below several other groups such as: Pacific Rim Asians, Asian Indians, Parsis, Vietnamese, etc. In fact, even when it comes to Latinos there are some groups that are ahead of American whites in educational achievement, such as Cuban-Americans and Argentinean-Americans. Here is a documentary about the frustration of Chinese teachers trying to school entitled, bratty, rude and unintelligent white kids: https://youtu.be/pHTVnB4SvuA These are British white kids, who apparently are even worse than American white kids due to welfare and socialism in Britain.

    Hey, Sailer, instead of a breeding program of white kids, America should just import Chinese kids, that are vastly more intelligent than the children of you dummies.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don't see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn't complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn’t complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    As is typical with you, your points undo themselves. As you pointed out, the concern is economic, which most would consider more legit than “irrational fears of the Other”, blah, blah. Most people at least can understand and appreciate opposition to something on economic grounds. thanks for addressing that, Nick.

    Of course Harvard grads don’t care. The upper classes deep down have “evolved” past the idea of the nation state. Every member of that demographic I talk to honestly feels that we’re moving to a borderless international order. They won’t openly trumpet this as a party platform, but their actions, and their sentiments when one talks to them personally, say otherwise.

    The sooner this belief gets flushed out into the open, the better. It’s time for these people to be honest: no, I don’t believe in borders. Furthermore, I believe we are moving to one world beyond nation states. I embrace change, etc etc.

    You see anti-nationalism tossed around on the left rhetorically. Making middle/upper class libs face up to the fact that that’s what they’re advocating for will clear a lot of air.

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    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.
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  52. Rod1963 says:
    @The Real David
    My community did something similar to bussing which was building public housing right next to the neighborhood elementary school. The kids from the public housing had a 2 minute walk to school in the morning and were about a 50/50 mix of white and black.

    The rest of the surrounding community was upper-middle class white and almost entirely intact nuclear families. The public housing kids were almost all living with single mothers and assorted siblings.

    When the author of this piece asserts that no white children were "harmed" from bussing (academically) or forced integration I wonder how she would feel if her child was bit on the shoulder so hard that he or she had to be rushed to the emergency room bleeding like a stab victim?

    One of my earliest memories from school is seeing a black 2nd or 3rd grader lose a tetherball game and bite another student on the shoulder like a goddam pit bull.

    The hope for integration hard liners is not to improve academic performance but to inflict violence upon innocent children.

    The author is a just another white hating Chinese import who’d love to see us eradicated. I bet like most Chinese, she only attended some swanky private schools and never had to deal with Blacks or Mexicans.

    The point is she’s talking out her ass like most J-school grads.

    Busing hurt white kids physically, socially and academically. This is why parents fled to the suburbs. Lefties and ethnics know full well it did hurt them but they don’t care, it’s just white kids.

    In the high school I attended(on the edge of Los Angeles country in the high desert), they imported blacks from Los Angeles via subsidized housing set up for them. Their little savages were sent to my high school. Within a short period of time, the police had to conduct drug raids on campus usually on a bi-monthly basis. Every year we had a race riot between the whites and the savage black imports. They made several areas on campus no-go zones for whites. Nobody liked them.

    They were and are predators. It’s why many of us have paid for the services of Mr. Mossberg and Glock in case these savages pay us a visit.

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  53. Stacy235l says:
    @Yan Shen
    These kinds of stories usually operate on two levels. Asian Americans are often ignored or excluded from the mainstream discourse on these kinds of matters, so on the one hand you have the narrative of white students fleeing from underachieving blacks and Hispanics.

    Of course at the truly elite STEM focused high schools, what's really happening is that Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!

    http://www.insidenova.com/headlines/incoming-thomas-jefferson-freshman-class-skews-heavily-asian-mostly-male/article_f5a1813c-3b0e-11e7-a5e7-0b3e79b92f05.html

    Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!

    You’re bragging about the results of cheating. Has it ever occurred to you that if asians were really the most intelligent then the “best schools” would be in Asia? You wouldn’t need to take anything from us “mediocre” whites.

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    Asians are plenty intelligent.

    I mean, how else would they know that European-derived countries are better than their own?

    People vote with their feet. We see millions of Asians moving to Euro countries. But we don't see Euros moving to Asian countries.

    Euro civilization produces better places to live, full stop. Come on, this is obvious.
    , @CAL2
    He's confusing not wanting your kids to develop a grind mentality with not wanting academic rigor.
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  54. @Yan Shen
    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there's the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there's the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren't particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve's comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one's own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What's a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan's orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don't have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it'll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you’re really angry at.

    “Some” = younger adults. Their parents were Boomers.

    Boomers = geezers whose time has passed.

    What About you, Boomer Disclaimer?

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  55. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it’ll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    Always multicultural contradicts “fundamental unity.”

    Your thinking is confused and no good.

    Maybe you ought to return to your homeland.

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    Singapore government policy is to maintain ethnic Chinese as a supermajority. We can learn from those Singaporeans.
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  56. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/byaliceyin/status/905510697001472000

    The desegregation decision meant (originally) that race could not be used as a criterion for school assignments. By adroit manipulations, America’s leaders have used the decision to make race a major consideration for school assignments. Sleaze bag sales types referred to this as “Bait and Switch” .

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    Ah, law is all--to borrow a line from Hamlet--words, words, words. And you remember what Humpty Dumpty said in Through the Looking Glass about words?
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  57. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/byaliceyin/status/905510697001472000

    “Recedes in desegregation?” Does she mean re-segregates? Or in plainer English segregates? Why not just say that? It helps xer point, rhetorically.

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  58. guest says:
    @Dave Shanken
    The desegregation decision meant (originally) that race could not be used as a criterion for school assignments. By adroit manipulations, America's leaders have used the decision to make race a major consideration for school assignments. Sleaze bag sales types referred to this as "Bait and Switch" .

    Ah, law is all–to borrow a line from Hamlet–words, words, words. And you remember what Humpty Dumpty said in Through the Looking Glass about words?

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  59. guest says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!

    That's one of the defining characteristics of the self-styled progressive: they pick an earlier era to demonize and won't shift from it for decades or even centuries. In this case, the school desegregation crisis of the late Eisenhower era must always remain something that just happened a couple of years ago. Before the progressives had the 1950s to kick around, they had the Victorian era. They beat that dead horse well into the jet age.

    Much like how for neocons it’s always 1938, and for some inexplicable reason we’re Britain.

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  60. guest says:
    @Alice
    You're slow to the party. Minnesota noticed this almost two years ago. Minnesota is the vanguard if the Left's education policies. What starts there goes everywhere. The left in MN has had a big campaign there to show how "segregated" the Minneapolis Public schools and St. Paul public schools are.

    http://m.startribune.com/urban-school-districts-are-among-least-integrated/339132801/

    http://m.startribune.com/inner-city-schools-segregate-as-suburban-schools-diversify/334690491/


    They want to force racial quotas and restrictions on the charters there, where admission is entirely by lottery. MN had the first charter schools in the US, and some of the highest ranking. MN also has one of the most liberal cross-districting policies. Most districts are at the municipal level. State law says anyone can apply their child to any school in the state, and as long as there is space in the school they have to take you. (That was originally how they got the minority numbers into the suburban schools. Now districts use it to bleed off gifted students and other students whose parents rabblerouse and demand their kid get taught.)


    But the leftist movement didn't get enough traction because World War T was making bigger inroads into destroying charters.

    http://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/gender-discrimination-charge-settled-with-st-paul-charter/462578474

    Note the prevention of parents opting out of their kids' indoctrination.

    My town in MN, a half hour or so away from the cities, has been full of browns for as long as I can remember. But my high school class had about 3 blacks. These days, I can’t leave the house without tripping over blacks.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they were bused into town and set free, like they do with problem dogs in the movies. “You’re home now. Go on, I never loved you anyway!”

    For their own good, because the schools sit on magic dirt, full of magic whites. Plus a bunch of browns for them to fistfight/stab.

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  61. guest says:
    @TangoMan
    despite evidence it did no harm to white schoolchildren

    I suppose it's asking too much for a NYT reporter to do some cursory research:

    Our results show that the resegregation of CMS schools widened inequality of outcomes between whites and minorities. We estimate that all students, white and black, score lower on high school exams when they attend schools with more minority students. We find that a 10 percentage point increase in the share of minorities in a student’s assigned school decreases high school test scores by about 0.014 standard deviations, which aligns closely with results from other studies of the effect of peer racial composition (e.g., Hoxby 2000; Vigdor and Ludwig 2008; Hanusheket al. 2009). Since the net effect of rezoning was that students attended schools with a greater share of peers of their own race, our estimates imply a widening of the racial achievement gap of about 0.025 standard deviations. We also find that white students are less likely to graduate from high school or attend a four-year college when they are assigned to schools with more minority students.
     

    NYT doesn’t recognize the existence of hate facts. Unless it’s to mock them, or as evidence in heresy trials.

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  62. guest says:
    @CCZ
    "The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children..."

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin's website:


    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.
     

    Did she think about being an American years before she became an American, or was she American all along?

    Didn’t Chinese nationalism penetrate her at all? Or is everyone in the world really an American trying to break out of the shell of their hopefully temporary home culture?

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  63. guest says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Howsoever can we break the monopoly that white people have over the scarce resource of white children?

    What about that mad scientist who invented white people in his lab in Africa? He can cook up some more.

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  64. Nick Diaz says:
    @Desiderius

    lowerr educational level
     
    Slurring one's speech is a dead giveaway. Don't sell yourself short though, Diaz - if you pick your spots there's still some solid demand for unskilled but enthusiastic labor.

    Thanks. Maybe you can give me some pointers. I mean, given that you have the whole flipping-burgers thing nailed down since this is how you paid for the trailer you live in.

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  65. Nick Diaz says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    What I think is so funny is that the white people complaining the most about immigration are exactly the ones that come from lowerr educational level. I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration. It is mostly white dummies from working-class families complaining about Mexicans and Latinos taking their jobs. Fact is, if you did well at school, you would have a nice income and wouldn’t complain much about immigration. *Most* grievances about immigration revolve around economic reasons.

    As is typical with you, your points undo themselves. As you pointed out, the concern is economic, which most would consider more legit than "irrational fears of the Other", blah, blah. Most people at least can understand and appreciate opposition to something on economic grounds. thanks for addressing that, Nick.

    Of course Harvard grads don't care. The upper classes deep down have "evolved" past the idea of the nation state. Every member of that demographic I talk to honestly feels that we're moving to a borderless international order. They won't openly trumpet this as a party platform, but their actions, and their sentiments when one talks to them personally, say otherwise.

    The sooner this belief gets flushed out into the open, the better. It's time for these people to be honest: no, I don't believe in borders. Furthermore, I believe we are moving to one world beyond nation states. I embrace change, etc etc.

    You see anti-nationalism tossed around on the left rhetorically. Making middle/upper class libs face up to the fact that that's what they're advocating for will clear a lot of air.

    How are my points undoing themselves? I don’t think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

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    The day that Mexico permits uncontrolled immigration from Bangladesh, Nigeria, Pakistan etc or even Guatemala, is the day I will take you seriously.
    , @guest
    I think it'd be morally reprehensible for you hide behind the skirt of the legal system in the event a home invader violates your property. Who's to say he couldn't use your house, have sex with your wife, and live your life more efficiently than you?

    Property is theft, after all, amirite?

    , @res
    It's funny how the dumbest people say things like these:

    I mean, given that you have the whole flipping-burgers thing nailed down since this is how you paid for the trailer you live in.
     

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.
     
    At this point that oblivious arrogance is probably my best tell for someone not worth engaging. Well, except for the occasional drive by snark.
    , @Stealth

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible.
     
    Trolling today? Provided you're not...

    Funny how judgments like that are only applied to white people. I doubt you think of Chinese or Japanese economic nationalism with such disgust. I'm not obligated to act against my own interest for anybody who doesn't give a shit about me.

    Morally reprehensible is selling out your own people for personal gain to foreigners.

    You have a problem with white people. Maybe you should work on that.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I recommend that you reread the definition of citizenship.
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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there's the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there's the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren't particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve's comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one's own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What's a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan's orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don't have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it'll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    In Japan, there’s not really much difference between supporting Japan as a nation, and supporting the interests of Japanese people as a race, is there?

    When I was growing up here in the U.S., the people I knew weren’t preoccupied with race. I think most of us thought that generally the U.S., American culture, and whites were pretty much one and the same. At that time, the number of non-whites in the U.S. was relatively small, although I imagine that people who grew up in the parts of the U.S. with greater numbers of non-whites, such as the Southwest, the inner cities, and multicultural New York City, had a different perspective on race. In fact, I attended a college where there was a sizeable percentage of students from N.Y.C. and its surrounding areas, and many of those students seemed pretty focused on the ethnic background of other students.

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    "In Japan, there’s not really much difference between supporting Japan as a nation, and supporting the interests of Japanese people as a race, is there?"

    Same applied to the UK before the Fall. Churchill could write of "the grand old British race" and also of "the Scottish race", and no one had a problem with it. Britain was a Welsh/English/Irish/Scottish nation, with significant intranational differences (Saxon/Celt/Viking/Norman), but it functioned pretty well. And even then the British Irish and the Irish Irish scrapped.
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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Nick Diaz
    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    The day that Mexico permits uncontrolled immigration from Bangladesh, Nigeria, Pakistan etc or even Guatemala, is the day I will take you seriously.

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  68. AndrewR says:
    @The Real David
    My community did something similar to bussing which was building public housing right next to the neighborhood elementary school. The kids from the public housing had a 2 minute walk to school in the morning and were about a 50/50 mix of white and black.

    The rest of the surrounding community was upper-middle class white and almost entirely intact nuclear families. The public housing kids were almost all living with single mothers and assorted siblings.

    When the author of this piece asserts that no white children were "harmed" from bussing (academically) or forced integration I wonder how she would feel if her child was bit on the shoulder so hard that he or she had to be rushed to the emergency room bleeding like a stab victim?

    One of my earliest memories from school is seeing a black 2nd or 3rd grader lose a tetherball game and bite another student on the shoulder like a goddam pit bull.

    The hope for integration hard liners is not to improve academic performance but to inflict violence upon innocent children.

    I attended a Catholic school and the one black kid in the school was in my 2nd grade class. He bit multiple students before he was removed from the school. None of the bites were as bad as in your story.

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  69. AndrewR says:
    @Yak-15
    These stories are great. They are an infinite loop of hand-wringing and liberal tongue twisting that keep the NYT in business.

    They will never go away because most of the inequality is genetic and so is the inability to see the real root cause. Anyhow, anyone that votes democrati should be forced to bus their kids into a black school district to help with the process.

    Anyone who votes Democrat shouldn’t be allowed around children.

    My hypershitlib sister brought her nine year old daughter to a protest a few months ago. They were photographed together, and my niece was holding a sign that said ANTIFASCIST. My sister posted this publicly on Facebook.

    The rage I felt was extreme.

    Our parents never modeled this type of narcissism-through-using-children-as-political-props-for-issues-they-know-absolutely-nothing-about.

    I am truly ashamed to be her brother.

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    I know what you mean. It is beyond reprehensible.

    My cousin, democrat legislative aide, posts pictures of our grandmother (GI Bride, British imperial system family scion) on Facebook as being indicative of immigration being a infinitely positive endeavor. "Look, my grandmother came from here... so people who have nothing to do with her, who won't go through the same rigorous process, who have no connection to our culture and who openly disdain America will also be great." Insulting does not begin to describe it.

    Using your own blood, especially those who cannot say otherwise, as props for political points is disgusting.
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  70. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    drop out rate in much of LA exceeds 50%

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  71. guest says:
    @Nick Diaz
    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    I think it’d be morally reprehensible for you hide behind the skirt of the legal system in the event a home invader violates your property. Who’s to say he couldn’t use your house, have sex with your wife, and live your life more efficiently than you?

    Property is theft, after all, amirite?

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  72. But after integration peaked in 1988, courts began releasing schools from their mandates, and segregation began to take hold again.

    In other news, when I let go of a rock, it fell to the ground instead of hovering in the air. Tragically.

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  73. @Anonymous
    For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    In Japan, there's not really much difference between supporting Japan as a nation, and supporting the interests of Japanese people as a race, is there?

    When I was growing up here in the U.S., the people I knew weren't preoccupied with race. I think most of us thought that generally the U.S., American culture, and whites were pretty much one and the same. At that time, the number of non-whites in the U.S. was relatively small, although I imagine that people who grew up in the parts of the U.S. with greater numbers of non-whites, such as the Southwest, the inner cities, and multicultural New York City, had a different perspective on race. In fact, I attended a college where there was a sizeable percentage of students from N.Y.C. and its surrounding areas, and many of those students seemed pretty focused on the ethnic background of other students.

    “In Japan, there’s not really much difference between supporting Japan as a nation, and supporting the interests of Japanese people as a race, is there?”

    Same applied to the UK before the Fall. Churchill could write of “the grand old British race” and also of “the Scottish race”, and no one had a problem with it. Britain was a Welsh/English/Irish/Scottish nation, with significant intranational differences (Saxon/Celt/Viking/Norman), but it functioned pretty well. And even then the British Irish and the Irish Irish scrapped.

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  74. @Cagey Beast
    I've given this a lot of thought and have come to believe television is the greatest single cause of the Boomer blockage. TV sets sat in every damned living room and kept every household in sync with the same cultural metronome for decade after decade. As the TVs droned on, they washed away regional accents, political and religious bonds and any strong sense that "people like us" don't do that or care about such things. We were all expected to have the same memories, be obsessed with the same things, think bad or good of the same people and on and on.

    We're all only now breaking out of its spell as television dies as a medium. Ironically, it's the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    Ironically, it’s the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    For me it did because ever since Trump was elected I can’t stand to watch TV, even what was my last refuge, Fox News. All Never Trump, all the time. It’s totally converged, as Vox Day would say.

    Can’t say I’m missing it.

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    Harry--I turned off the TV news after 9/11, which probably marked the beginning of the 24/7/365 cable news extravaganza. All-sensationaism-all-the-time is exhausting to watch, and massively uninformative, especially is it's entertainment designed to attract eyeballs. Whoever coined the term "boob-bait for bubba" captured the sentiment.
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  75. @CCZ
    "The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children..."

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin's website:


    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.
     

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    And we are supposed to care, why? Can’t you just do it in private?

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  76. @Cagey Beast
    This is a valid point. Many of the people with the most doctrinaire 68er attitudes around now are in their twenties to forties. The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.

    “Mom, did you wash my black t-shirt and jeans? I have to go to a demonstration. And where’s my black bandanna?”

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    Well, there's a song for everything, and the Ben Folds Five, out of Chapel Hill, N. Carolina have got this one - "Song for the Dumped"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk_e31dnlE

    Here's the chorus, basically:

    "Give me my money back,
    give me my money back,
    you bitch.
    I want my money back,
    and don't forget... and don't forget
    to give me back my black T-shirt
    ."

    From "Whatever and Ever, Amen"

    Ben Folds is a real entertainer in the style of Elton and maybe Billy Joel. I wish I'd seen them live.
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  77. Moses says:
    @Yan Shen
    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there's the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there's the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren't particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve's comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one's own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What's a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan's orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don't have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it'll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    Shout it from the mountaintop Yan Shen! You are my favourite Asian supremacist.

    I admire your chutzpah. The fact that Asians have done pretty much zero innvovation — tech, industry, mathematics, science, business — and drafted off Euros for the last 1000 years does not deter you from regular chest-thumping here about Asian HBD superiority in math and science.

    Outstanding work.

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  78. Moses says:
    @Stacy235l

    Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!
     
    You're bragging about the results of cheating. Has it ever occurred to you that if asians were really the most intelligent then the "best schools" would be in Asia? You wouldn't need to take anything from us "mediocre" whites.

    Asians are plenty intelligent.

    I mean, how else would they know that European-derived countries are better than their own?

    People vote with their feet. We see millions of Asians moving to Euro countries. But we don’t see Euros moving to Asian countries.

    Euro civilization produces better places to live, full stop. Come on, this is obvious.

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  79. Moses says:
    @David Davenport
    My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it’ll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    Always multicultural contradicts "fundamental unity."

    Your thinking is confused and no good.

    Maybe you ought to return to your homeland.

    Singapore government policy is to maintain ethnic Chinese as a supermajority. We can learn from those Singaporeans.

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  80. nigel says:
    @Yan Shen
    There are over 220 million white Americans of European descent in the United States, so obviously there are still a fair number of high performers amongst the sub 18 year old age group.

    I agree though that in general East Asians and South Asians in this country excel academically compared to most other ethnic groups, the former particularly so in quantitative areas. This is most likely due to a combination of HBD and selective immigration. As I remarked in my earlier comment in this thread, Asian Americans are often ignored by the mainstream media, so what you end up having are almost two parallel narratives. On the one hand there's the mainstream narrative of whites fleeing from districts dominated by blacks and Hispanics. On the other hand, there's the less discussed narrative whereby the most elite STEM oriented high schools in this country are becoming increasingly more Asian each year. I think the most recent cohort of students matriculating at Thomas Jefferson High School was 75% Asian American for instance!

    Yeah I heard about that reality show/documentary they did in the UK, where they had some school there run by Chinese teachers for a few days or whatever old school Asian style, and the impression was that in general it was a bit of a culture shock for both sides. The British students thought the Chinese teachers were too strict and overbearing and the Chinese teachers thought the British students were basically rude, immature, and unfocused. Most East Asian immigrants to this country aren't particularly impressed by the academic focus and quantitative rigor of most of the schools here, so I suspect that to some non-trivial extent the manner in which white Americans often look down upon blacks and Hispanics is reflected somewhat in the manner in which Asian Americans look down upon mainstream white American culture! Personally I remember my own parents often telling me how much harder they had to work as school children in China and how many Americans seemed to be lazy and unmotivated.

    I think you misunderstood Steve's comment about breeding white kids. It was more in response to liberals often complaining about segregated school districts, i.e. blacks and Hispanics somehow have to around whites in order to succeed.

    I think there are perfectly valid reasons to promote the kind of nationalism that prioritizes the well-being of one's own citizens ahead of that of people from other nations. Most countries practice it with relatively little criticism. What's a bit problematic is when nationalism becomes replaced by racialism, which is why you often hear me criticizing people like Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire even though I actually agree with them on numerous substantive matters. For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan's orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.

    Honestly I don't have a problem with white Americans wanting to country to remain majority white given its history as a predominantly white nation. My main point has been to emphasize that America, like Singapore, has a unique history that means that it'll always be more multicultural than say the countries of Europe, Africa, or Asian proper. And so if you want to curtail some of the excesses of recent years such as unbridled immigration, you have to do so by appealing to our fundamental unity as American citizens, irrespective of race, gender or creed. Instead what many white nationalists have done is the opposite, by dividing the country into white versus non-white.

    “For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist.”

    You are completely missing the point. The point is that Japan doesn’t have to be explicitly racialist because they still have a nation, a people. They are simply pro Japanese. They have a society built for and by Japanese people. Whites, blacks, and Koreans may live in the country but they are not part of the nation. They are not one of the people and they never will be. Their children never will be.

    In almost all formerly white countries that is being taken from us. We are not allowed to have a nation or a people. We are simply economic zones called countries. In many cases we can’t even have our own little communities in the style of a Chinatown or Koreatown. As soon as that starts to form we get forced diversity.

    Many of us on the alt right aren’t all that concerned with economics. I have a great six figure income. I lack for nothing economically. What I really want is the same sense of community for my children that I had growing up. I want a nation and a people not a multicultural economic zone.

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  81. CAL2 says:
    @songbird
    I was recently thinking about the big surprises Germans are in for.

    How many high school exchange programs are between some German city and an American suburb? How many of the participants of said programs actually understand the reason why this is so? If they said "cars", they'd only be half right. And we didn't teach them, when they came over. Instead, they've been sold a bill of goods by Hollywood.

    There's a lot that may change. The career track school system, where you are tested out of going to certain schools, will probably be eliminated. The open campuses where schools are composed of multiple smaller buildings will probably transition to a central building, more like a prison, with locked doors and with at least one police officer on duty and maybe metal detectors. The school day will undoubtedly lengthen, to keep the kids off the streets.

    The Germans are delusional at the moment. I was there for a few weeks this summer. They seem to believe they can make all of these refugees German and it is their duty due to the Holocaust. At least the people at the management level seem to think that. Meanwhile the kids are burned out on the Holocaust guilt and the people who really have to deal with the refugees see the problems.

    It the Germans allow the refugees to bring in their families, it is over. It might be over already but that would be the final nail.

    It was interesting to see the different perspectives while there:

    College Prof (German who has lived in US for several decades): Germany is great, college basically free, everyone paid well. I’m renewing so I can vote against AfD.

    Church Youth Leader: Holocaust, holocaust, bad, bad and we must help refugees.

    School Teacher: I taught phys-ed and it was impossible to teach Muslim girls to swim. Frustrating. Oh, and free college just lets people avoid getting jobs. They need to make them pay more.

    Youth: How should I know history. All we hear is Holocaust and Hitler. BTW, why are we blamed for WWI with Austria and Russia started it? And Hitler was Austrian as well.

    Sermon: Social Justice, Social Justice, ad nauseum.

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  82. @Anon
    As someone who grew up in one of the whitest and one of the best school districts in the Rochester area, within Monroe County, I can tell you that forced integration would be crushing for an area that's already a miserable place to live. Imagine having one of the few well paying jobs in Rochester and spending good money to live outside the city where your kids can get a good education amongst other white people only to have that ripped away with forced bussing. What a kick in the teeth.

    As per an interview on local NPR radio recently with black activists and clergy, whites MUST reconcile themselves to not only losing their “white privelege”, but also accepting a lower economic status (presumably a smaller proportional slice of much smaller pie) and a lower standard of living. Moving black thugs to former toney upper-class suburbs is just part of this process…

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  83. Ganderson says:
    @TangoMan
    despite evidence it did no harm to white schoolchildren

    I suppose it's asking too much for a NYT reporter to do some cursory research:

    Our results show that the resegregation of CMS schools widened inequality of outcomes between whites and minorities. We estimate that all students, white and black, score lower on high school exams when they attend schools with more minority students. We find that a 10 percentage point increase in the share of minorities in a student’s assigned school decreases high school test scores by about 0.014 standard deviations, which aligns closely with results from other studies of the effect of peer racial composition (e.g., Hoxby 2000; Vigdor and Ludwig 2008; Hanusheket al. 2009). Since the net effect of rezoning was that students attended schools with a greater share of peers of their own race, our estimates imply a widening of the racial achievement gap of about 0.025 standard deviations. We also find that white students are less likely to graduate from high school or attend a four-year college when they are assigned to schools with more minority students.
     

    After doing brief bit of googling I found that it would seem that Alice Yin went to Northwestern. I wonder what sort of high school she went to? Anyone…? Bueller…?

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    According to her LinkedIn, Alice Yin attended Monta Vista High School in Cupertino, CA, class of 2013. The school profile is jaw-dropping. The class of 2018 is 83% Asian, 13 % white, and 4% other.

    http://www.mvhs.fuhsd.org/schoolprofile

    According to Schooldigger, Monta Vista had 3 black students each year from 2013-2015, in a school with over 2300 students. In June it was revealed that six or seven black students (all?) were placed on a kill list last fall and none of the black students or their parents were informed.


    The civil complaint says the Fremont Union High School District was negligent because it didn't do enough to stop a Monta Vista High School student from being threatened. The alleged kill list threatened to kill or shoot all black students at the Cupertino school. The student suffered mental and emotional distress and was forced to transfer to another school out of fear for her life, the complaint says.

    According to court documents, the girl was targeted in September of last year when some students on the Monta Vista campus repeatedly harassed her because of her race, frequently calling her the "n" word. The complaint, filed on behalf of the girl's mother last month, also alleges students labeled themselves kill spree masters on social media and named all AfricanAmerican students at school

    The lawsuit alleges the school district failed to prevent the bullying and cyberbullying at school even though it was aware of the problem. The district also breached the education code by failing to investigate the allegations thoroughly and notify parents, the complaint says.

    The school district released a statement Monday, saying in part: "The district is aware of the incident of racist, misogynist, and inappropriate speech, which occurred on social media and involved several Monta Vista High School students in September of last year. When it was first brought to the attention of administrators, staff immediately investigated and took appropriate disciplinary action."

     

    Source: South Bay High School Student Alleges 'Kill List' Posted by Classmates on Social Media - NBC Bay Area http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/South-Bay-High-School-Student-Alleges-Kill-List-Posted-by-Classmates-428055003.html#ixzz4sK5ZSBBJ
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  84. CAL2 says:
    @Stacy235l

    Asian Americans are becoming increasingly over-represented compared to all other ethnic groups. Hence you have the new phenomenon of white flight not because the schools are bad, but rather because the schools are too academically competitive and quantitatively focused!
     
    You're bragging about the results of cheating. Has it ever occurred to you that if asians were really the most intelligent then the "best schools" would be in Asia? You wouldn't need to take anything from us "mediocre" whites.

    He’s confusing not wanting your kids to develop a grind mentality with not wanting academic rigor.

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  85. @Stealth

    I don’t see many white Harvard graduates compalining about immigration.
     
    That's because most of them probably have enough money to insulate themselves from the negative effects of excessive immigration. Poor and middle class whites don't. Mass immigration and perpetual change aren't good for people who don't have the money and mobility to just pack up and leave when things take a turn for the worse.

    It's said that the best things in life are free. However, those things are not always available. When you don't have a lot of money, community life can mean a hell of a lot, and diversity doesn't exactly foster a sense of community. Too many Americans now feel like foreigners in places that used to feel like home. There aren't many benefits, but a hell of a lot of downsides.

    Most of those 3rd-world ‘immigrants’ qualify for affirmative action, a fact rarely taken into account by most immigration promoters. Likewise most Harvard graduates can pull legacy status to benefit their children and well may have been so benefited by their parents.

    Whether it’s neighborhoods, schools, safety, crime, poverty, immigration or almost any other social concern, the people most willing to socially engineer other people’s lives are the ones who live far enough away from the results of their efforts to be unaffected by them. In court ordered bussing or neighborhood desegregation, how many members of the ‘court’s’ family and friends have actually been affected? Few, if any.

    People who are not happy at having their lives socially engineered by others are then called racists, xenophobes, etc in an effort to silence and marginalize them. Those who are affected see this clearly.

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  86. I don’t think racial integration in schools is very relevant any more.

    My kids, 8 and 4, go to a majority black government school in Jacksonville, FL which is reckoned to be one of the highest crime and most undesirable places to live in the US, yet the school is good, has dedicated teachers of different ethnicities, and is well run and well disciplined. I am there every day and the children are always polite, well-behaved, etc. without any signs of rowdyism.

    My daughters seem to be learning stuff. My 8-year-old started the year speaking 80% Spanish and writing ‘bersde’ to spell a well-known word. By the end of the year she was speaking English so fluently that she had forgotten how to speak Spanish, and was writing “birthday” and was promoted into 4th grade. My 4-year-old is able to accurately define the difference between ‘carnivore’ and ‘herbivore’, which is a lot more than I knew at the same age. Both of them use many long words that I would not have known at the equivalent age and I don’t think they learned those words from me.

    The parents seem to be fully involved with the children and there are many black fathers bringing the children to school, possibly because the mothers are already out at work early in the morning.

    However, nearly all the children are prepuberty, especially the boys, and the full influence of testosterone and a low literacy local culture may not yet have kicked in.

    My biggest concern is that too much of school time is devoted to teaching propaganda rather than subject matter. For example, while this year’s powerful hurricanes may well be related to global warming, it seems to me that the subject matter of fossil fuels, energy production and consumption, and meteorology is way too advanced to be properly understood by children of elementary school age who are still confused about things like whether the moon goes round the sun, or the other way round, and think that electricity comes out of a socket, and that Jesus invented the Internet.

    My other concern is that the schools like to close down for the slightest reason, for example a partial eclipse, a hurricane 2000 miles away that might come our way next week, an obscure holiday that is not recognized by our state, in-service education for teachers, and so on.

    However, nearly all the children are prepuberty, especially the boys, and the influence of testosterone and a low literacy local culture may not yet have kicked in.

    But when I see all the children of all colors and races lining up in the mornings, I don’t really notice race and I don’t think most pe0ple do these days. I have to shut my eyes and visualize to remember whether my kids teachers and/or friends are black or white, and the whole question is becoming less relevant.

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  87. res says:
    @Nick Diaz
    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    It’s funny how the dumbest people say things like these:

    I mean, given that you have the whole flipping-burgers thing nailed down since this is how you paid for the trailer you live in.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    At this point that oblivious arrogance is probably my best tell for someone not worth engaging. Well, except for the occasional drive by snark.

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  88. Forbes says:
    @AM

    The NYT Mag is still concerned about segregation? How 1960s!
     
    I sometimes think the weirdness and tension in our current culture is in part a mal-adaptation of a critical mass of Boomers who still living in the 1960's. I think a year ago or so, I saw a kids book out of a series dedicated to "Who Are The Beatles?" (Who is Albert Einstein, etc)

    The Beatles? What? They're a pop band that broke up before I was born. John Lennon has been dead for,what 3 decades now and we're not really sure if the rest aren't just animated husks stuffed with money.

    And that was book targeted at my children. Okay, no.

    Let's face it, Charlottesville was kabuki theater meant for Boomer consumption. My median age Boomer parish nearly brought down the house when the Friar finally got to do a Homily on those mean old Nazis for "real". The culture is still bending to Boomer sensitivities and thought patterns.

    So yeah, the NYT may run segregation pieces for another decade or until the publisher runs out of money. Because it's always 1960 someodd in Boomerville.

    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a ’60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (As a conservative in prog-left NYC, it’s obviously cross-generational.) I don’t recognize most of the complaints (Boomers as the cause of dysfunction) I read here on iSteve (and elsewhere), and don’t see it amongst my personal contemporaries. Don’t get me wrong–the critiques are generally valid–but the targeted cause is a bit off the mark.

    The ’68ers of the summer of discontent that disrupted the Dem Convention, etc., were not Boomers, having been born before WW II. Hoffman, Rubin, Hayden et al., the Chicago Seven/Eight, the New Left of the Port Huron statement (1962), the SDS, Weather Underground–Ayers & Dorhn–are not from my generation. David Dellinger of the Chicago Seven was born in 1915! From the New Left of ’62 to antifa of ’17–that’s a lot of bagage to heap on a generation.

    Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it’s either the 1860s or the 1960s–slavery or civil rights–they’re born of ’60s era liberalism, not specifically Boomer sensibilities.

    Admittedly, many Boomers have piled on that bandwagon.

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    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a ’60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (
     
    No, the nostalgia originates completely in the Boomers, none of whom would have participated in the vast majority of the events in that era. The oldest Boomer in 1965 was 20. They watched the 1960's go by on TV and would come of age in the 1970's.

    To be clear, I'm not blaming Booomers for our current state of affairs culturally or obviously the events of the 1960's. That decline in some form can be traced almost as back as the Civil War in the US. We're on top of something rather large that has been brewing for 150 years at least.

    So not Boomer's fault there at all.

    But this cultural milieu is 100% them:

    "Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it’s either the 1860s or the 1960s–slavery or civil rights–they’re born of ’60s era liberalism"

    It has dominated discourse as long as I can remember. The 1960's Civil Rights were their "real life" cowboy and Indians/Wile West, a genre that fascinated my WWII grandparents. The Indians were white Southerners, and the cowboys the blacks.


    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it's not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    It appears the youngest of the millennials and the oldest of Gen Z have begun to pull the cultural milieu into a new place, just as the Boomers abandoned the Wild West and the big bands of their parents. Why my generation was unable to accomplish that I think has to do with both a collective set of faults of our own (I try to be fair) and a lack of ability to much about it. The Boomers are starting to arc out of the ability to dominate the culture via age. The new technology has let the newest generation start to change the conversation, a turn for which I am eternally grateful.

    Even if my generation couldn't hack actually doing it, I'm grateful I'm alive to start to see the shift.

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  89. Forbes says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Ironically, it’s the Trump presidency that marks the end of the TV era.

    For me it did because ever since Trump was elected I can't stand to watch TV, even what was my last refuge, Fox News. All Never Trump, all the time. It's totally converged, as Vox Day would say.

    Can't say I'm missing it.

    Harry–I turned off the TV news after 9/11, which probably marked the beginning of the 24/7/365 cable news extravaganza. All-sensationaism-all-the-time is exhausting to watch, and massively uninformative, especially is it’s entertainment designed to attract eyeballs. Whoever coined the term “boob-bait for bubba” captured the sentiment.

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  90. Forbes says:
    @CCZ
    "The big problem is obviously that America is running out white children..."

    And the NY Times has run out of adults!

    From Ms. Yin's website:


    Welcome! My name is Alice and I am a journalist currently working at The New York Times, where I assist the magazine staff as a James Reston Reporting Fellow. I graduated from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism in 2017 with a degree in journalism and economics.

    I immigrated to the U.S. at the turn of the century and spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    The topics I think about the most are education, health care and race/identity stories.
     

    spent much of my childhood questioning and revising my understanding of what it means to be an American. I still am.

    Still in her childhood.

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  91. @Anonymous
    Nashville has county-wide schools, so the schools in the entire county have a bad reputation, except for some elementary schools and magnet schools. Generally, people either move out to one of the surrounding counties or send their kids to private schools, unless their kids get into the good magnet schools. People without these options try to make the best of the schools their kids have to attend. It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities.

    “It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities.”

    Somewhat correct, however they still have to be mingle with all the feral hood rats between classes and get shaken down for lunch money in the cafeteria.

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    Unfortunately, it's not perfect. They try to make the best of a less-than-ideal situation. Some of the parents work so hard to try to make the school nice for their children through their involvement with the PTO and/or various fundraising activities, and they achieve some nice results. However, as expected significant problems often remain. It makes me sad and kind of angry, especially knowing that the many, if not most, of the trouble-makers are only in these schools because of government-subsidized housing or busing. It's really not fair.
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  92. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you're really angry at.

    What is it with the weird Boomer fixation that some of you have? Maybe you could find a way to narrow down whom you’re really angry at.

    LOL! I’m only observing the (social) weather.

    I could go into therapy Boomereseque style about such a pressing issue, but alas my life is too short and I’m too cheap. So you’re stuck.

    The good news here is that mostly blather on about Catholic theology and take random pot shots, with the Boomers being only one of the targets. So relatively low ratios there.

    If anonymous Internet comments are upsetting, I’m sure there’s a way to not read them. Or, alternatively, you could winnow down who you’re really angry at that makes reading my comments oddly attractive.

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  93. AM says:
    @Cagey Beast
    This is a valid point. Many of the people with the most doctrinaire 68er attitudes around now are in their twenties to forties. The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.

    The nasty, Red Army Faction mentality is now passed on through the generations. Antifa street fighters, SJW social media bullies, militant assistant profs and junior journalists at Salon are not Boomers.

    Yep. We’re all living the cultural Boomer dream still. Passed on from one generation to the next. Rebels without a clue, making sure they just the same as every other rebel. sigh

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  94. AM says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ... we’re not really sure if the rest [ of the bee-ulls ] aren’t just animated husks stuffed with money.
     
    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KAvPbO8JY

    I like that one better, though... RIP

    "Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    Heart and soul...
    "

    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).

    There was that wonderful moment where I forgot George Harrison was with Lucy and her diamonds. All ruined. ;)

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  95. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... we’re not really sure if the rest [ of the bee-ulls ] aren’t just animated husks stuffed with money.
     
    I think George Harrison would beg to differ (from his Crackerjack Palace in the sky, hopefully).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KAvPbO8JY

    I like that one better, though... RIP

    "Give me love
    Give me love
    Give me peace on earth
    Give me light
    Give me life
    Keep me free from birth
    Give me hope
    Help me cope, with this heavy load
    Trying to, touch and reach you with,
    Heart and soul...
    "

    What does “keep me free from birth” mean? That he doesn’t want to conceive children with his women or that he wants to be liberated from his own parents and genetics?

    I guess he just had to have a word to rhyme with earth. I see he had only one acknowledged child.

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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @StillCARealist
    What does "keep me free from birth" mean? That he doesn't want to conceive children with his women or that he wants to be liberated from his own parents and genetics?

    I guess he just had to have a word to rhyme with earth. I see he had only one acknowledged child.

    In Hinduism, one essentially is reincarnated over and over until one has progressed beyond the need for it. When you get to the top, you “graduate” and don’t have to be incarnated any more. At least, that’s my understanding of it.

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    I kinda wondered too, what Still California wrote, but I just put some of the lyrics down for the heck of it.

    It's the melody, soulful singing, and that great dobro or slide guitar there that makes the song great anyway. Lyrics don't really matter that awful much.

    Thanks for the Hinduism angle - that made total sense to me ... in my last life.
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  97. @Ganderson
    After doing brief bit of googling I found that it would seem that Alice Yin went to Northwestern. I wonder what sort of high school she went to? Anyone...? Bueller...?

    According to her LinkedIn, Alice Yin attended Monta Vista High School in Cupertino, CA, class of 2013. The school profile is jaw-dropping. The class of 2018 is 83% Asian, 13 % white, and 4% other.

    http://www.mvhs.fuhsd.org/schoolprofile

    According to Schooldigger, Monta Vista had 3 black students each year from 2013-2015, in a school with over 2300 students. In June it was revealed that six or seven black students (all?) were placed on a kill list last fall and none of the black students or their parents were informed.

    The civil complaint says the Fremont Union High School District was negligent because it didn’t do enough to stop a Monta Vista High School student from being threatened. The alleged kill list threatened to kill or shoot all black students at the Cupertino school. The student suffered mental and emotional distress and was forced to transfer to another school out of fear for her life, the complaint says.

    According to court documents, the girl was targeted in September of last year when some students on the Monta Vista campus repeatedly harassed her because of her race, frequently calling her the “n” word. The complaint, filed on behalf of the girl’s mother last month, also alleges students labeled themselves kill spree masters on social media and named all AfricanAmerican students at school

    The lawsuit alleges the school district failed to prevent the bullying and cyberbullying at school even though it was aware of the problem. The district also breached the education code by failing to investigate the allegations thoroughly and notify parents, the complaint says.

    The school district released a statement Monday, saying in part: “The district is aware of the incident of racist, misogynist, and inappropriate speech, which occurred on social media and involved several Monta Vista High School students in September of last year. When it was first brought to the attention of administrators, staff immediately investigated and took appropriate disciplinary action.”

    Source: South Bay High School Student Alleges ‘Kill List’ Posted by Classmates on Social Media – NBC Bay Area http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/South-Bay-High-School-Student-Alleges-Kill-List-Posted-by-Classmates-428055003.html#ixzz4sK5ZSBBJ

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    Holy cow and stop the presses! Mona Vista high is badly in need of cultural enrichment by blacks and hispanics. This Asian privilege cannot stand. As a responsible SJW, how could Alice Yin ignore this injustice in her own backyard!

    Call the busses! Underprivileged children from Oakland will benefit from Mona Vista's magic dirt which the Asians have been hoarding.

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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    "It seems these kids often find refuge by taking the harder courses and participating in the band or other music-related activities."

    Somewhat correct, however they still have to be mingle with all the feral hood rats between classes and get shaken down for lunch money in the cafeteria.

    Unfortunately, it’s not perfect. They try to make the best of a less-than-ideal situation. Some of the parents work so hard to try to make the school nice for their children through their involvement with the PTO and/or various fundraising activities, and they achieve some nice results. However, as expected significant problems often remain. It makes me sad and kind of angry, especially knowing that the many, if not most, of the trouble-makers are only in these schools because of government-subsidized housing or busing. It’s really not fair.

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  99. “kill list”. sounds like a hoax.

    Still. 83% Asian. Is there any school outside of the continent of Asia itself that can boast that kind of uniformity? I guess we really do like segregation, but most of us aren’t wiling to admit it.

    Also, at that link I saw there was a headline about a transgender DJ getting fatally shot in SF. No details, hmm… Was that also a hate crime, or was it a crazy/jealous/drugged lover?

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  100. Stealth says:
    @Nick Diaz
    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible.

    Trolling today? Provided you’re not…

    Funny how judgments like that are only applied to white people. I doubt you think of Chinese or Japanese economic nationalism with such disgust. I’m not obligated to act against my own interest for anybody who doesn’t give a shit about me.

    Morally reprehensible is selling out your own people for personal gain to foreigners.

    You have a problem with white people. Maybe you should work on that.

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  101. AM says:
    @Forbes
    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a '60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (As a conservative in prog-left NYC, it's obviously cross-generational.) I don't recognize most of the complaints (Boomers as the cause of dysfunction) I read here on iSteve (and elsewhere), and don't see it amongst my personal contemporaries. Don't get me wrong--the critiques are generally valid--but the targeted cause is a bit off the mark.

    The '68ers of the summer of discontent that disrupted the Dem Convention, etc., were not Boomers, having been born before WW II. Hoffman, Rubin, Hayden et al., the Chicago Seven/Eight, the New Left of the Port Huron statement (1962), the SDS, Weather Underground--Ayers & Dorhn--are not from my generation. David Dellinger of the Chicago Seven was born in 1915! From the New Left of '62 to antifa of '17--that's a lot of bagage to heap on a generation.

    Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it's either the 1860s or the 1960s--slavery or civil rights--they're born of '60s era liberalism, not specifically Boomer sensibilities.

    Admittedly, many Boomers have piled on that bandwagon.

    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a ’60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (

    No, the nostalgia originates completely in the Boomers, none of whom would have participated in the vast majority of the events in that era. The oldest Boomer in 1965 was 20. They watched the 1960′s go by on TV and would come of age in the 1970′s.

    To be clear, I’m not blaming Booomers for our current state of affairs culturally or obviously the events of the 1960′s. That decline in some form can be traced almost as back as the Civil War in the US. We’re on top of something rather large that has been brewing for 150 years at least.

    So not Boomer’s fault there at all.

    But this cultural milieu is 100% them:

    “Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it’s either the 1860s or the 1960s–slavery or civil rights–they’re born of ’60s era liberalism”

    It has dominated discourse as long as I can remember. The 1960′s Civil Rights were their “real life” cowboy and Indians/Wile West, a genre that fascinated my WWII grandparents. The Indians were white Southerners, and the cowboys the blacks.

    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it’s not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    It appears the youngest of the millennials and the oldest of Gen Z have begun to pull the cultural milieu into a new place, just as the Boomers abandoned the Wild West and the big bands of their parents. Why my generation was unable to accomplish that I think has to do with both a collective set of faults of our own (I try to be fair) and a lack of ability to much about it. The Boomers are starting to arc out of the ability to dominate the culture via age. The new technology has let the newest generation start to change the conversation, a turn for which I am eternally grateful.

    Even if my generation couldn’t hack actually doing it, I’m grateful I’m alive to start to see the shift.

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    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it’s not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    What you're talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it's liberal '60s activists, or something, but it's certainly not all Boomers. By focusing on all Boomers, you're cutting out what is probably a large group of people who agree with you. What's the value in doing that? Weren't there more Trump voters among older Americans than younger ones? And, for what it's worth, Steve (Sailer) is a Boomer.
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  102. @Anonymous
    As I understand things, our nation bailed Alice’s dissident Han Chinese parents out and she repays it with slanders, complaints, and anti-white hatred.

    Immigriping by the wretched ingrates. There are simply too many rewards for expressing their cultural flavor.

    Did she Cry Among The Farmland?

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  103. Moses says:
    @Triumph104
    According to her LinkedIn, Alice Yin attended Monta Vista High School in Cupertino, CA, class of 2013. The school profile is jaw-dropping. The class of 2018 is 83% Asian, 13 % white, and 4% other.

    http://www.mvhs.fuhsd.org/schoolprofile

    According to Schooldigger, Monta Vista had 3 black students each year from 2013-2015, in a school with over 2300 students. In June it was revealed that six or seven black students (all?) were placed on a kill list last fall and none of the black students or their parents were informed.


    The civil complaint says the Fremont Union High School District was negligent because it didn't do enough to stop a Monta Vista High School student from being threatened. The alleged kill list threatened to kill or shoot all black students at the Cupertino school. The student suffered mental and emotional distress and was forced to transfer to another school out of fear for her life, the complaint says.

    According to court documents, the girl was targeted in September of last year when some students on the Monta Vista campus repeatedly harassed her because of her race, frequently calling her the "n" word. The complaint, filed on behalf of the girl's mother last month, also alleges students labeled themselves kill spree masters on social media and named all AfricanAmerican students at school

    The lawsuit alleges the school district failed to prevent the bullying and cyberbullying at school even though it was aware of the problem. The district also breached the education code by failing to investigate the allegations thoroughly and notify parents, the complaint says.

    The school district released a statement Monday, saying in part: "The district is aware of the incident of racist, misogynist, and inappropriate speech, which occurred on social media and involved several Monta Vista High School students in September of last year. When it was first brought to the attention of administrators, staff immediately investigated and took appropriate disciplinary action."

     

    Source: South Bay High School Student Alleges 'Kill List' Posted by Classmates on Social Media - NBC Bay Area http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/South-Bay-High-School-Student-Alleges-Kill-List-Posted-by-Classmates-428055003.html#ixzz4sK5ZSBBJ

    Holy cow and stop the presses! Mona Vista high is badly in need of cultural enrichment by blacks and hispanics. This Asian privilege cannot stand. As a responsible SJW, how could Alice Yin ignore this injustice in her own backyard!

    Call the busses! Underprivileged children from Oakland will benefit from Mona Vista’s magic dirt which the Asians have been hoarding.

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  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    Speaking as a Boomer, the nostalgia you observe is a ’60s era liberalism that is very much cross-generational. (
     
    No, the nostalgia originates completely in the Boomers, none of whom would have participated in the vast majority of the events in that era. The oldest Boomer in 1965 was 20. They watched the 1960's go by on TV and would come of age in the 1970's.

    To be clear, I'm not blaming Booomers for our current state of affairs culturally or obviously the events of the 1960's. That decline in some form can be traced almost as back as the Civil War in the US. We're on top of something rather large that has been brewing for 150 years at least.

    So not Boomer's fault there at all.

    But this cultural milieu is 100% them:

    "Just as every documentary program on PBS seems as if it’s either the 1860s or the 1960s–slavery or civil rights–they’re born of ’60s era liberalism"

    It has dominated discourse as long as I can remember. The 1960's Civil Rights were their "real life" cowboy and Indians/Wile West, a genre that fascinated my WWII grandparents. The Indians were white Southerners, and the cowboys the blacks.


    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it's not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    It appears the youngest of the millennials and the oldest of Gen Z have begun to pull the cultural milieu into a new place, just as the Boomers abandoned the Wild West and the big bands of their parents. Why my generation was unable to accomplish that I think has to do with both a collective set of faults of our own (I try to be fair) and a lack of ability to much about it. The Boomers are starting to arc out of the ability to dominate the culture via age. The new technology has let the newest generation start to change the conversation, a turn for which I am eternally grateful.

    Even if my generation couldn't hack actually doing it, I'm grateful I'm alive to start to see the shift.

    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it’s not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    What you’re talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it’s liberal ’60s activists, or something, but it’s certainly not all Boomers. By focusing on all Boomers, you’re cutting out what is probably a large group of people who agree with you. What’s the value in doing that? Weren’t there more Trump voters among older Americans than younger ones? And, for what it’s worth, Steve (Sailer) is a Boomer.

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    Who the hell is eating up Dinesh D'Souza's latest Dems are the real racists tripe (The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left)? For whom is WWII the go-to? Who on the right accepts this frame?

    Boomers.

    , @AM

    What you’re talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it’s liberal ’60s activists, or something, but it’s certainly not all Boomers.
     
    Certainly it is not all of them. But the nostalgia and cultural milieu emanates from a critical mass of the Boomers.

    Mr. Sailer of course, as well as most on this board, are left out that mass. But look at the result. Mr. Sailer is the fringe, correct? We're part of the Indians for the following badthink: "Huh, look at that, people fall into patterns. "

    That's the power of critical mass. So that's why I talk in generalities about generations.

    What’s the value in doing that?
     

    It's in understanding the framework of our current cultural discussions, the seeming insanity of the most vocal millennials, and cultural rot in the media and arts. It's understanding that my generation failed in taking over and changing the cultural discourse, and in that failure, we've left the burners on too long about a particular set of concepts and they're getting pushed to their logical conclusions.

    And trust me, if you're trying to be fair in a view like this, no generation is spotless, including the "greatest generation", a name which I consider be another result of the collective Boomer mind. (It's why I use WWII generation instead . It's to be clear as name but not place a value judgement on the whole as part of naming them.) Yes, in this set of posts was picking on Boomers, but there's plenty of terribleness to be found with each generation.

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  105. @Anonymous
    In Hinduism, one essentially is reincarnated over and over until one has progressed beyond the need for it. When you get to the top, you "graduate" and don't have to be incarnated any more. At least, that's my understanding of it.

    I kinda wondered too, what Still California wrote, but I just put some of the lyrics down for the heck of it.

    It’s the melody, soulful singing, and that great dobro or slide guitar there that makes the song great anyway. Lyrics don’t really matter that awful much.

    Thanks for the Hinduism angle – that made total sense to me … in my last life.

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  106. @Harry Baldwin
    "Mom, did you wash my black t-shirt and jeans? I have to go to a demonstration. And where's my black bandanna?"

    Well, there’s a song for everything, and the Ben Folds Five, out of Chapel Hill, N. Carolina have got this one – “Song for the Dumped

    Here’s the chorus, basically:

    Give me my money back,
    give me my money back,
    you bitch.
    I want my money back,
    and don’t forget… and don’t forget
    to give me back my black T-shirt
    .”

    From “Whatever and Ever, Amen

    Ben Folds is a real entertainer in the style of Elton and maybe Billy Joel. I wish I’d seen them live.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it’s not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    What you're talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it's liberal '60s activists, or something, but it's certainly not all Boomers. By focusing on all Boomers, you're cutting out what is probably a large group of people who agree with you. What's the value in doing that? Weren't there more Trump voters among older Americans than younger ones? And, for what it's worth, Steve (Sailer) is a Boomer.

    Who the hell is eating up Dinesh D’Souza’s latest Dems are the real racists tripe (The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left)? For whom is WWII the go-to? Who on the right accepts this frame?

    Boomers.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Dinesh D’Souza is so out of touch with the current year that it's astonishing. As one of the data points for his latest book, he told Rush Limbaugh that Andrew Jackson eradicated a lot of Indians and also founded the modern Democratic Party, therefore Dems are just like Nazis! To whom does this make sense?
    , @Ivy
    Boomer grandparents can influence their grandchildren in ways that parents can't. You may know some families where there seems to be a type of generation-skipping theme, liberal-conservative-liberal, etc. People tend to become more conservative as they age, and that has an impact on the human cultural capital to be passed on to younger generations.
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  108. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    The frustration of this Gen Xer of the generation before mine, generally speaking (it’s not everyone, of course), is the glee with which they finished busting out the stained glass windows of Western civilization/religion and the complete dominance of the cultural framework. Most under 40 have no sense of American history other than the Civil War and Civil Rights.

    What you're talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it's liberal '60s activists, or something, but it's certainly not all Boomers. By focusing on all Boomers, you're cutting out what is probably a large group of people who agree with you. What's the value in doing that? Weren't there more Trump voters among older Americans than younger ones? And, for what it's worth, Steve (Sailer) is a Boomer.

    What you’re talking about is a subset of the Boomers. You should try to identify exactly what that subset is. Maybe` it’s liberal ’60s activists, or something, but it’s certainly not all Boomers.

    Certainly it is not all of them. But the nostalgia and cultural milieu emanates from a critical mass of the Boomers.

    Mr. Sailer of course, as well as most on this board, are left out that mass. But look at the result. Mr. Sailer is the fringe, correct? We’re part of the Indians for the following badthink: “Huh, look at that, people fall into patterns. ”

    That’s the power of critical mass. So that’s why I talk in generalities about generations.

    What’s the value in doing that?

    It’s in understanding the framework of our current cultural discussions, the seeming insanity of the most vocal millennials, and cultural rot in the media and arts. It’s understanding that my generation failed in taking over and changing the cultural discourse, and in that failure, we’ve left the burners on too long about a particular set of concepts and they’re getting pushed to their logical conclusions.

    And trust me, if you’re trying to be fair in a view like this, no generation is spotless, including the “greatest generation”, a name which I consider be another result of the collective Boomer mind. (It’s why I use WWII generation instead . It’s to be clear as name but not place a value judgement on the whole as part of naming them.) Yes, in this set of posts was picking on Boomers, but there’s plenty of terribleness to be found with each generation.

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  109. Moses says:
    @nigel
    "For instance, Taylor and Derbyshire both often like to hold Japan up as a paragon for the kind of country that America should strive to emulate, but fail to appreciate the fact that Japan’s orientation is fundamentally nationalistic as opposed to racialist."

    You are completely missing the point. The point is that Japan doesn't have to be explicitly racialist because they still have a nation, a people. They are simply pro Japanese. They have a society built for and by Japanese people. Whites, blacks, and Koreans may live in the country but they are not part of the nation. They are not one of the people and they never will be. Their children never will be.

    In almost all formerly white countries that is being taken from us. We are not allowed to have a nation or a people. We are simply economic zones called countries. In many cases we can't even have our own little communities in the style of a Chinatown or Koreatown. As soon as that starts to form we get forced diversity.

    Many of us on the alt right aren't all that concerned with economics. I have a great six figure income. I lack for nothing economically. What I really want is the same sense of community for my children that I had growing up. I want a nation and a people not a multicultural economic zone.

    Well said.

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  110. Yak-15 says:
    @AndrewR
    Anyone who votes Democrat shouldn't be allowed around children.

    My hypershitlib sister brought her nine year old daughter to a protest a few months ago. They were photographed together, and my niece was holding a sign that said ANTIFASCIST. My sister posted this publicly on Facebook.

    The rage I felt was extreme.

    Our parents never modeled this type of narcissism-through-using-children-as-political-props-for-issues-they-know-absolutely-nothing-about.

    I am truly ashamed to be her brother.

    I know what you mean. It is beyond reprehensible.

    My cousin, democrat legislative aide, posts pictures of our grandmother (GI Bride, British imperial system family scion) on Facebook as being indicative of immigration being a infinitely positive endeavor. “Look, my grandmother came from here… so people who have nothing to do with her, who won’t go through the same rigorous process, who have no connection to our culture and who openly disdain America will also be great.” Insulting does not begin to describe it.

    Using your own blood, especially those who cannot say otherwise, as props for political points is disgusting.

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    Was your grandmother super "progressive" and politically vocal/active? In that case your cousin would be reasonable in assuming that granny (who, I presume, is deceased) would Support Dreamers! and whatever other issues all left-leaning people have decided to unanimously agree upon this week.

    Otherwise, it is a despicable thing and I would suggest privately messaging your cousin to reconsider the ethics of her post.

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  111. @Anonymous
    Who the hell is eating up Dinesh D'Souza's latest Dems are the real racists tripe (The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left)? For whom is WWII the go-to? Who on the right accepts this frame?

    Boomers.

    Dinesh D’Souza is so out of touch with the current year that it’s astonishing. As one of the data points for his latest book, he told Rush Limbaugh that Andrew Jackson eradicated a lot of Indians and also founded the modern Democratic Party, therefore Dems are just like Nazis! To whom does this make sense?

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  112. AndrewR says:
    @Yak-15
    I know what you mean. It is beyond reprehensible.

    My cousin, democrat legislative aide, posts pictures of our grandmother (GI Bride, British imperial system family scion) on Facebook as being indicative of immigration being a infinitely positive endeavor. "Look, my grandmother came from here... so people who have nothing to do with her, who won't go through the same rigorous process, who have no connection to our culture and who openly disdain America will also be great." Insulting does not begin to describe it.

    Using your own blood, especially those who cannot say otherwise, as props for political points is disgusting.

    Was your grandmother super “progressive” and politically vocal/active? In that case your cousin would be reasonable in assuming that granny (who, I presume, is deceased) would Support Dreamers! and whatever other issues all left-leaning people have decided to unanimously agree upon this week.

    Otherwise, it is a despicable thing and I would suggest privately messaging your cousin to reconsider the ethics of her post.

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  113. Ivy says:
    @Anonymous
    Who the hell is eating up Dinesh D'Souza's latest Dems are the real racists tripe (The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left)? For whom is WWII the go-to? Who on the right accepts this frame?

    Boomers.

    Boomer grandparents can influence their grandchildren in ways that parents can’t. You may know some families where there seems to be a type of generation-skipping theme, liberal-conservative-liberal, etc. People tend to become more conservative as they age, and that has an impact on the human cultural capital to be passed on to younger generations.

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  114. @Nick Diaz
    How are my points undoing themselves? I don't think that hating other ethnic groups because they are economic competition is significantly morally better than hating them for visceral reasons.

    To me, trying to get a cushy job and a good life by having those things given to you by you being protected from the competition because those competitors are from a different nation/race is morally reprehensible. There can be someone out there that can do your job 10 X better than you for less, but he cannot do your job because he is from a different nation/race, so you get a fat paycheck for reasons other than your skills. That is morally reprehensible.

    So my points have not undone themselves at all. You are not smart.

    I recommend that you reread the definition of citizenship.

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