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The problem with American education is that white parents keep hoarding all the white children.

 
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  1. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    It’s funny that in other contexts (say, sports teams or movie casts) you don’t need whites to have diversity.

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  2. Why are these “black” journalists and bloggers who bitch about this stuff…..why are they always these weird super light skinned mixed race women with the weird Wanda Sykes fro slash dreads look? …..even though they’re at least half white?

    And why do they always live in 1) California or 2) like the whitest northern cities and/or they’re part of the weird black vegan type social circle in Chicago and don’t go anywhere near the black war zones on the south or west sides….

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    • Replies: @jack daniels
    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it's more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.
    , @a reader
    Incidentally, Hannah-Jones and her sister attended almost all-white schools as part of a voluntary program of desegregation busing.
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  3. White parents put their kids in private school if they live in a diverse school system. They’d move to a white community if they couldn’t send their kids to private school. The answer: take away their autonomy to make racist choices. This is the second or third link on iSteve tonight where someone discovered through sheer logic that being woke means implementing a totalitarian dictatorship.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    In Philly, even black parents have been sending their kids to parochial school for decades, though the family may be AME or African Baptist.

    Everybody knows about the public schools.
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  4. I’m slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that “diverse public schools” are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60′s civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I’m trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can’t do it.

    Which leaves us where?

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    Still, I’m trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can’t do it.
     
    Letting public schools die and going to private schools, religious schools, niche charter schools and homeschooling is an option, but not a politically feasible one.

    The likely long term outcome is that the country breaks up into several pieces, and blacks, Asians and mestizos being mostly in one or more of those pieces and at least one or two being a white racial nationalist run area. My guess is the one(s) with the Chinese and/or Indians not being the one(s) with most of the blacks. It will not, unfortunately, be a peaceable divorce, unlike that of the Czech and Slovak Republics. I will probably be safely dead by then.

    An alternate, less likely scenario is that an Iron Fist takes the whole enchilada and causes many minorities to decide to 'book a cruise', as we used to say, either spontaneously or with positive and/or negative incentives. Under authoritarian and nondemocratic rule many minorities and less-squared-away whites who are now utterly truculent could probably be made to behave better. From the end of Reconstruction until Snivel Rights, blacks in the US were not specially troublesome. They had poorer metrics but whites not looking for trouble had little to fear from them.
    , @Alfa158
    I'm getting worried that "diverse public schools" in your comment can be replaced with "diverse nations" and be just as valid. Maybe I'm gettin old and pessimistic, but things increasingly are starting to look like they are going to go really bad at some point.
    , @Curle
    “ slowly and reluctantly”

    If you want to speed the process send your kids to a majority black ghetto school. I was sent to one for awhile gratis a federal judge at the dawn of the busing era. Lasted as long as it took my folks to exercise their racist prerogative to move. The experience at that school and my parent’s reaction left me in no doubt that they loved me.
    , @Issac
    Blacks are in an untenable position everywhere. No matter who wins in the post-white world, they lose.
    , @bartok

    Still, I’m trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can’t do it.

    Which leaves us where?
     
    Today's status quo is de facto segregation. If you turn off the news, it works pretty great for whites and asians. It's exactly what you mentioned, a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution.

    The only catch is maybe your kids can't get into a top college in the new America. Well, extroversion plus intelligence will get you plenty far if you go to a lesser school - just choose a school in a tech/business hub. Manhattan College, Santa Clara U., SUNY Stony Brook, UMass Lowell, San Diego State, etc.

    If you're introverted, well fuck you. This is America.
    , @guest
    Why the slowness and reluctance? "Diverse public schools" is prima facie a bizarre notion. Why would you ever believe in it, unless you are one of the lucky few in the margin that can have your kid benefit from being in a better school than they otherwise would've been?

    "Which leaves us where?"

    Amidst the coming/ongoing Culture/Race War.

    That's the cost of Diversity, which I'm told is totally worth it by people who run as fast as they can in the other direction from it when it affects their real lives.

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  5. Bubba says:

    No one should take anything seriously by the woman who calls herself “The Beyoncé of Journalism.” Everyone knows that blacks are a huge, tremendous economic loss for America. The only moneymakers are the loudmouths in entertainment.

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    • Replies: @TheBoom
    I wholeheartedly encourage blacks to free themselves of white racism by moving to black countries. Violent crime and social welfare expenditures would plummet and it would be far easier for whites and Asians to feel their children can safely attend urban public schools. The level of competence of government employees would also increase.
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  6. syonredux says:

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.

    So, the WOKE view of history isn’t progressive, it’s cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose….

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it’s just hard to feel a lot of optimism.

    Let’s see, it’s 2017….2017 minus 40 is…1977? Blacks only got “full citizenship rights” in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965….

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can’t really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago….

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that’s an awfully low bar….

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.

    MMM, someone’s never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost….

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.

    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno….based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent…..

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus….You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time….But now we’re back to Christian ideas about Original Sin….

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don’t exist….

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA……

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.

    Which is about their percentage of the national population….So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country….

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.

    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist…and White Anglos like being around them….

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that’s only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that’s a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good…

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…

    Jeff’s was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics

    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:

    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as “a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists,” he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, “So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that.“[4]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black……..Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of “revealed preferences”…..

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Isn't this the same Jeffrey Goldberg that Richard Ben Cramer made fun of for making aliyah for security reasons, from the Manhattan publishing shtetl?
    , @nebulafox
    Please, please tell me that Coates didn't seriously equate whatever stupid thing Trump recently did (I've been doing my best to not pay attention to politics anymore) to Nazi Germany yet again. You know, the Nazi Germany that wanted to quite literally starve tens of millions of Slavs to death and send whatever was left off into Siberia. Industrial genocide on a mind-boggling scale.

    I'm just going to file this away as a reminder to ignore the SWPL set and ensure that if I ever have kids, to make sure they are in a school with as many Asians as possible. Social osmosis is a big thing, and kids pick up habits from their peers. You stick them in a ghetto school, they'll be worried about being jumped constantly and focus on defending themselves rather than studying.

    , @syonredux

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that’s an awfully low bar….
     
    Maybe I'm being unfair...after all, she did use past tense ("were"). So, using the Tuskegee Lynching tally, how far back do we have to go to find a lynching?1964....and the total for that year is three, two Whites and one Black....So, one is more than none....but that's still an awfully low bar.

    How about going back a bit further?1963 had one Black Lynching victim....1961 had one....1955 had three...1935 had 18...so that's double digits....1901 had 105 (peak year for the 20th century).....Overall peak year is 1892, with 161....Dunno, even the lynchiest year seems rather puny....Perhaps that's way she cleverly avoided giving an actual figure....
    , @Anonymous
    An elaborate, masterful defenestration. My compliments.
    , @Moses

    But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person.

     

    Fabrication.
    , @Anonymous

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

    syonredux: Wait, I though that we were Hindus….You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time….But now we’re back to Christian ideas about Original Sin….
     

    Isn't forgiveness a big part of Christianity? At what point are blacks going to forgive whites for slavery, especially considering that whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?
    , @syonredux
    In case anyone is wondering why a town with such a tiny Black population has a Black majority High School:

    Granted, a lot of the people from the white parts of town went to Catholic parochial schools. If the school district actually took in all of the kids who lived within the boundaries, it probably would have been 30 percent black.
     
    So, does this mean that Jeff's parents were idealists about public education, people who simply balked at the idea of sending little Jeffy to a private school? Or does it mean that Catholic schools were the only available non-public option, and they balked at the idea of sending little Jeffy to a Catholic institution?
    , @Yngvar
    "I'm not saying it is aliens, but it is aliens" spotted in the wild:

    The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

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  7. J.Ross says: • Website

    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before! White flight doomed our otherwise perfect schools because whites took all the tax money with them. If only they would hold still. Violence is mentioned only in a brief, mocking note that some whites “think” that black neighborhoods are more violent. Nothing about IQ, performance, classroom behavior, or programmatically rewarding failure. Lots of nonsense about how parents came to Friday night basketball games but now have no way to spend their evening.
    A particular example, in Western Michigan. I forget the towns mentioned but one community split along racial lines right around the time forced bussing was attempted. The black subcommunity’s schools fell apart and now that school board gave up and will bus the black kids to the white school for reasons of cash and not justice. No dwelling on the irony, or speculation about how this will be received by a community formed largely to avoid this very thing.

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    • Replies: @rogue-one
    You may like this article on why whites fled inner cities.

    What caused the dramatic rise of crime and blight in American cities from 1950 to 2000?
    (https://devinhelton.com/why-urban-decay )
    , @Merde
    The example from Michigan could be Benton Harbor/St. Joseph. Benton Harbor is 89% Black and has a median income $17,000. St. Joseph is 88% White and has a median income of $49,000. The St. Joseph River divides tragic from magic dirt.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    J.Ross, isn't that akin to the Mexican lament? The gringos took our land and all the good roads and bridges.
    , @Mr. Anon

    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before!
     
    Probably a discussion among people who either have no kids, or who send their kids to private schools.
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  8. Yan Shen says: • Website

    Shen’s Law: In America, blacks, Hispanics, and whites love obsessing over race and over each other!

    Shen’s Second Law: In America there are two narratives operating in parallel, the mainstream narrative in which privileged whites benefit at the expense of disadvantaged blacks and Hispanics and the less discussed narrative in which whites along with blacks and Hispanics are increasingly fleeing elite STEM oriented schools like Stuyvesant dominated by Asians.

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    Hey, Yan Shen: Where's the sentence about me hating on blacks all day long?
    , @J.Ross
    I think I have observed something that will come to be taken for granted without being a named law (besides, I want my law to be the tendency for whatever the official organs of respectable discourse are obsessed with at any given moment to often turn out to be absolutely nothing). In fact, plenty of readers probably already think this. Here's a hint: observe the general patterns of political behavior by blacks in Africa. Now observe the general patterns of political behavior of African Americans here. This isn't "obsessing about race" and there is no honest way to mush it into the concerns and discussions of the others races. This is "In the name of the glorious Tribe A, you motherless bastards in Tribe B had better give us a good deal, what with machetes being on sale at The Sportsman's Guide, and since we're catching up over family photos, need I remind you of all the martyrous suffering of our righteous A people at the hands of the inherently villainous B people?" That's not what whites or Asians are doing, but it is how Africans negotiate at the sub-national level.
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  9. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    Isn’t this the same Jeffrey Goldberg that Richard Ben Cramer made fun of for making aliyah for security reasons, from the Manhattan publishing shtetl?

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  10. Yan Shen says: • Website

    Shen’s Third Law: Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what’s holding back blacks today, along with witnessing men like Ta Nehisi Coates being feted like they’re the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    I believe acknowledging these three laws of Shen constitutes a revolution of sorts in terms of our uh understanding of modern day American society!

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    Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what’s holding back blacks today

    My god, you're tiresome.

    We have to hear about those things because black people aren't as smart or successful as white people, but they're never going to admit that. So what are they going to do, other than blame us?

    Black people do the same thing in places like Sweden, where there weren't even any black people until thirty years ago, and since then, the ones who moved there have been catered to shamelessly by native Swedes. It has nothing to do with how the Swedes actually treated them.

    , @istevefan
    Whites brought blacks here as slaves. Why exactly are you here?
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  11. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen
    Shen's Third Law: Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what's holding back blacks today, along with witnessing men like Ta Nehisi Coates being feted like they're the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    I believe acknowledging these three laws of Shen constitutes a revolution of sorts in terms of our uh understanding of modern day American society!

    Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what’s holding back blacks today

    My god, you’re tiresome.

    We have to hear about those things because black people aren’t as smart or successful as white people, but they’re never going to admit that. So what are they going to do, other than blame us?

    Black people do the same thing in places like Sweden, where there weren’t even any black people until thirty years ago, and since then, the ones who moved there have been catered to shamelessly by native Swedes. It has nothing to do with how the Swedes actually treated them.

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    My god, you’re tiresome.
     
    Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm beginning to think that the phrase "self-important blowhard" is redundant.

    Meanwhile, your point about Sweden is excellent and worth remembering and repeating. It applies to many other countries as well, which are currently enjoying the joys of diversity for the first time.

    I wish people could somehow be led to understand that this transformation is forever.

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  12. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks not beating up white kids and teachers will help.

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    One could force teachers to learn some Krav Maga?

    There was this comic strip in MAD Magazine in the mid-eightes.

    Teacher #1: Crying, pushing with his back against the schoolroom door in which pure bedlam has evidently been unleashed: "I'm not going back in there, They can't force me to go back in there!"
    Teacher #2: Smugly smiling: "Well, dear colleague. Since I have obtained black belt in Karate, I haven't had any problems with classroom discipline."
    , @Anonymouse
    Working in the tire/battery lanes at a Sears auto in Austin in the 80s, a young amiable black co-worker told me he had never seen a white person until the schools were integrated. He did say that they beat up the white kids bussed in.
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  13. rogue-one says:
    @J.Ross
    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before! White flight doomed our otherwise perfect schools because whites took all the tax money with them. If only they would hold still. Violence is mentioned only in a brief, mocking note that some whites "think" that black neighborhoods are more violent. Nothing about IQ, performance, classroom behavior, or programmatically rewarding failure. Lots of nonsense about how parents came to Friday night basketball games but now have no way to spend their evening.
    A particular example, in Western Michigan. I forget the towns mentioned but one community split along racial lines right around the time forced bussing was attempted. The black subcommunity's schools fell apart and now that school board gave up and will bus the black kids to the white school for reasons of cash and not justice. No dwelling on the irony, or speculation about how this will be received by a community formed largely to avoid this very thing.

    You may like this article on why whites fled inner cities.

    What caused the dramatic rise of crime and blight in American cities from 1950 to 2000?
    (https://devinhelton.com/why-urban-decay )

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    During the spring, someone stole their bikes right in front of them. [Mormon Missionary in Detroit] Porter gave chase, found out where the thieves lived from an elderly neighborhood snoop who tipped him off, went to that house and personally took the bikes back. “It was amazing,” he says, grinning.
     
    Two by two, we're marching door to door
    Cos God loves Mormons and he wants some more!
    Great piece, thanks.
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  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    Still, I’m trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can’t do it.

    Letting public schools die and going to private schools, religious schools, niche charter schools and homeschooling is an option, but not a politically feasible one.

    The likely long term outcome is that the country breaks up into several pieces, and blacks, Asians and mestizos being mostly in one or more of those pieces and at least one or two being a white racial nationalist run area. My guess is the one(s) with the Chinese and/or Indians not being the one(s) with most of the blacks. It will not, unfortunately, be a peaceable divorce, unlike that of the Czech and Slovak Republics. I will probably be safely dead by then.

    An alternate, less likely scenario is that an Iron Fist takes the whole enchilada and causes many minorities to decide to ‘book a cruise’, as we used to say, either spontaneously or with positive and/or negative incentives. Under authoritarian and nondemocratic rule many minorities and less-squared-away whites who are now utterly truculent could probably be made to behave better. From the end of Reconstruction until Snivel Rights, blacks in the US were not specially troublesome. They had poorer metrics but whites not looking for trouble had little to fear from them.

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  15. nebulafox says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    Please, please tell me that Coates didn’t seriously equate whatever stupid thing Trump recently did (I’ve been doing my best to not pay attention to politics anymore) to Nazi Germany yet again. You know, the Nazi Germany that wanted to quite literally starve tens of millions of Slavs to death and send whatever was left off into Siberia. Industrial genocide on a mind-boggling scale.

    I’m just going to file this away as a reminder to ignore the SWPL set and ensure that if I ever have kids, to make sure they are in a school with as many Asians as possible. Social osmosis is a big thing, and kids pick up habits from their peers. You stick them in a ghetto school, they’ll be worried about being jumped constantly and focus on defending themselves rather than studying.

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  16. Alfa158 says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    I’m getting worried that “diverse public schools” in your comment can be replaced with “diverse nations” and be just as valid. Maybe I’m gettin old and pessimistic, but things increasingly are starting to look like they are going to go really bad at some point.

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  17. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that’s an awfully low bar….

    Maybe I’m being unfair…after all, she did use past tense (“were”). So, using the Tuskegee Lynching tally, how far back do we have to go to find a lynching?1964….and the total for that year is three, two Whites and one Black….So, one is more than none….but that’s still an awfully low bar.

    How about going back a bit further?1963 had one Black Lynching victim….1961 had one….1955 had three…1935 had 18…so that’s double digits….1901 had 105 (peak year for the 20th century)…..Overall peak year is 1892, with 161….Dunno, even the lynchiest year seems rather puny….Perhaps that’s way she cleverly avoided giving an actual figure….

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    In all fairness, I think Hannah-Jones is a fairly good example of Shen's Third Law. Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites, we basically have to hear about how racism is the source of everything that's holding back blacks today, when in reality blacks are much to blame for their own woes in the 21st century USA. If whites back in the day had just uh taken John Derbyshire's advice and treated their fellow blacks in a humane and civilized fashion, perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this post-modern nightmare that is contemporary American society.

    Focusing merely on lynchings kind of misses the point. The institution of slavery and segregation was a fairly racist and violent affair beyond how many blacks were actually killed at the hands of whites. The violence perpetuated was both physical and psychological.

    As I stated in an earlier thread, although African Americans today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, historically whites have tended to excel at organized violence and brutality. This has led both blacks and whites to be wary of each other. By and large I don't disagree when people like Coates or Hannah-Jones point out how blacks got the short end of the stick in this country for much of the past few centuries. Where I differ from them perhaps is in believing that somehow that's still the cause of everything afflicting the black community today.

    , @Henry A
    One of the unnoticed (at least by historians) functions of Jim Crow laws was that it legally codified what Blacks were and weren't permitted to do in civil society and thus made the penalties for such transgressions a criminal matter and less subject to mob justice. As a result lynchings declined. Most of the stats on lynching leave out the really bloody years of the late 1860s and 70s so the decline that coincided with The introduction of Jim Crow goes unnoticed. By the 1930s SouthernBlacks were more likely to be killed by lightning than by lynching. And any Black today under the age of 80 claiming to have lost family members due to lynching is just a liar.
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  18. 22pp22 says:

    New Zealand divides schools into deciles. Those in the richest areas are classed decile 10, those in the poorest decile 1.

    The demographics are as you would expect.

    Decile one schools are far better funded.

    Whatever white parents are hoarding, it’s not resources.

    https://www.education.govt.nz/school/running-a-school/resourcing/operational-funding/school-decile-ratings/

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  19. istevefan says:
    @Yan Shen
    Shen's Third Law: Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what's holding back blacks today, along with witnessing men like Ta Nehisi Coates being feted like they're the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    I believe acknowledging these three laws of Shen constitutes a revolution of sorts in terms of our uh understanding of modern day American society!

    Whites brought blacks here as slaves. Why exactly are you here?

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    The first Asians in North America came here as slaves too.
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  20. Yan Shen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that’s an awfully low bar….
     
    Maybe I'm being unfair...after all, she did use past tense ("were"). So, using the Tuskegee Lynching tally, how far back do we have to go to find a lynching?1964....and the total for that year is three, two Whites and one Black....So, one is more than none....but that's still an awfully low bar.

    How about going back a bit further?1963 had one Black Lynching victim....1961 had one....1955 had three...1935 had 18...so that's double digits....1901 had 105 (peak year for the 20th century).....Overall peak year is 1892, with 161....Dunno, even the lynchiest year seems rather puny....Perhaps that's way she cleverly avoided giving an actual figure....

    In all fairness, I think Hannah-Jones is a fairly good example of Shen’s Third Law. Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites, we basically have to hear about how racism is the source of everything that’s holding back blacks today, when in reality blacks are much to blame for their own woes in the 21st century USA. If whites back in the day had just uh taken John Derbyshire’s advice and treated their fellow blacks in a humane and civilized fashion, perhaps we wouldn’t find ourselves in this post-modern nightmare that is contemporary American society.

    Focusing merely on lynchings kind of misses the point. The institution of slavery and segregation was a fairly racist and violent affair beyond how many blacks were actually killed at the hands of whites. The violence perpetuated was both physical and psychological.

    As I stated in an earlier thread, although African Americans today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, historically whites have tended to excel at organized violence and brutality. This has led both blacks and whites to be wary of each other. By and large I don’t disagree when people like Coates or Hannah-Jones point out how blacks got the short end of the stick in this country for much of the past few centuries. Where I differ from them perhaps is in believing that somehow that’s still the cause of everything afflicting the black community today.

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    I agree with some of your points but you may be underestimating the degree to which the public formulation of black grievances and their cure is the work of white liberals and intended to benefit them. The Dems wouldn't win any elections without their black bloc vote and blacks are pretty Republican on a lot of topics, e.g. they don't lose sleep worrying about Christmas trees on public property nor are feminism and gay lib sacred to them. Eventually some of the black celebrity sound bites trickle down to the black masses but I wouldn't blame the masses too much. Responsibility is a confusing topic since we tend simultaneously to hold individuals accountable AND blame society, environment, and so on -- whichever is more convenient, usually.
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  21. Mr. Blank says:

    Your thumbnail description of the link there doesn’t really do it justice, Steve. I thought your comment was an iSteve joke until I clicked through and saw that, no, that’s literally what they are saying: They want white parents to stop hogging all the white kids for themselves.

    I imagine we’re only a few years away from somebody on the Left seriously suggesting that children should be assigned to parents by random lottery.

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  22. Yan Shen says: • Website

    I hope Hannah-Jones realizes that there’s a reason why people don’t want their kids at a school with large numbers of black kids.

    Contrast that with the video below. Now, why is uh Stuyveysant over 72% Asian American again?

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    That juxtaposition is so eye-opening to HBD! You should try to get it on to youtube, or facebook or something. Excellent contrast for seeing the impact of HBD on society.
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  23. “If one were to believe that having people who are different from you makes you smarter, that you engage in a higher level of thinking, that you solve problems better, there are higher-level ways that integration is good for white folks,” Jones says.

    Who thinks that diversity makes you smarter, at least in the sense of diversity equaling “going to school with black kid”? Nobody! There may be benefits of some sort, in a school that is not that chaotic, but getting smarter isn’t one of them.

    For black children, the benefits of attending an integrated school are much more drastic. “It’s literally, will you receive a quality education or not?

    There have been enough majority black schools with funding exceeding the nearby white schools now, thanks to various federal mandates and lawsuits, that we have plenty of evidence that the schools are not the problem. The kids are.

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    Spending money does not address the problem. A quality education requires an orderly classroom where most students are reasonably prepared for class. If a black student DOES want to study seriously he won't be able to do it in public schools where most of the students are black, because too many of them are acting up and the teachers are not allowed to take effective counter-measures such as suspension or expulsion. Private schools have the advantage of willingness to maintain an orderly environment, while mostly-white, mostly middle-class public schools have the advantage that a lower percentage of students are disorderly. So, the black parent who wants to get his kids out of inner city schools is essentially correct.
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  24. neutral says:

    Assuming that everything they said is true, I am willing to bet everything that compared to almost every other place in the world, funding for black scholars is one of the best funded groups globally. I am not even bothering to look this up with a quick internet search, I am very confident that this is the case and I am also very confident that all those that write these Atlantic article don’t know about this fact.

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    The highest paid professor at Harvard College (i.e., undergraduate rather than professional school) is Roland Fryer, a black economist who does interesting Freakonomics-type experiments. He earns it -- he brings in a huge amount of outside funding for his studies from billionaires like Michael Bloomberg. My guess is that the highest paid black professors tend to be more centrist, like Fryer and Henry Louis Gates, than leftist.
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    Assuming that everything they said is true, I am willing to bet everything that compared to almost every other place in the world, funding for black scholars is one of the best funded groups globally. I am not even bothering to look this up with a quick internet search, I am very confident that this is the case and I am also very confident that all those that write these Atlantic article don't know about this fact.

    The highest paid professor at Harvard College (i.e., undergraduate rather than professional school) is Roland Fryer, a black economist who does interesting Freakonomics-type experiments. He earns it — he brings in a huge amount of outside funding for his studies from billionaires like Michael Bloomberg. My guess is that the highest paid black professors tend to be more centrist, like Fryer and Henry Louis Gates, than leftist.

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    How do you know what Harvard pays?
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  26. El Dato says:
    @Anon
    Blacks not beating up white kids and teachers will help.

    One could force teachers to learn some Krav Maga?

    There was this comic strip in MAD Magazine in the mid-eightes.

    Teacher #1: Crying, pushing with his back against the schoolroom door in which pure bedlam has evidently been unleashed: “I’m not going back in there, They can’t force me to go back in there!”
    Teacher #2: Smugly smiling: “Well, dear colleague. Since I have obtained black belt in Karate, I haven’t had any problems with classroom discipline.”

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    El Dato, Change that to Crave MAGA.
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  27. dr kill says:

    Ending public education would solve this problem. Count me in.

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    Ending public education would solve this problem. Count me in.
     
    Me too, of course. You're not gonna get much more agreement from the alt-right crowd, though, as the idea of education left to the whim of the parents is just too "muh Constitutiony" and freedom-oriented for them.

    They'd rather have Socialism with White Characteristics, which works until the OPM runs out and they have bred too many feeders on the system, like, say, I dunno, NOW?

    "No Stupid Left Behind"

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  28. @Neoconned1
    Why are these "black" journalists and bloggers who bitch about this stuff.....why are they always these weird super light skinned mixed race women with the weird Wanda Sykes fro slash dreads look? .....even though they're at least half white?

    And why do they always live in 1) California or 2) like the whitest northern cities and/or they're part of the weird black vegan type social circle in Chicago and don't go anywhere near the black war zones on the south or west sides....

    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it’s more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.

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    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it’s more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.
     
    Blacks are nothing of the sort. They say what they think whites want to hear when they want to get along and what they don't when they want confrontation, but left to themselves they are small and spoiled children in adult bodies.

    I'd give them more than a hundred grand apiece, but only if they agree to leave the country and never come back. No reparations without separation.
    , @Ed
    There is simply no evidence that blacks are social conservatives, none.
    , @guest
    Why couldn't we declare the debt paid without paying them off? Hey, black people have lived amidst American civilization for centuries, and despite a period of servitude, occasional extra-legal executions, and differential protection of the law, it beats the hell out of Africa.

    Anyway, why would they stop pressing their luck with $100,000 in their pockets? We already gave them civil rights, affirmative action, decades of self-flagellation, gross overestimation of their cultural contributions, and their very own black president. (Not of native black stock, and only half-black at that, but no one cared much about that.) And they haven't let up one bit.

    They're like the person who is starving and gorges on a sumptuous feast, yet somehow is hungrier at the end than when they started. One week after a Reparations Bonanza they'd be demanding Reparations Part II.
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  29. @Stephen Marle II

    “If one were to believe that having people who are different from you makes you smarter, that you engage in a higher level of thinking, that you solve problems better, there are higher-level ways that integration is good for white folks,” Jones says.
     
    Who thinks that diversity makes you smarter, at least in the sense of diversity equaling "going to school with black kid"? Nobody! There may be benefits of some sort, in a school that is not that chaotic, but getting smarter isn't one of them.

    For black children, the benefits of attending an integrated school are much more drastic. “It’s literally, will you receive a quality education or not?
     
    There have been enough majority black schools with funding exceeding the nearby white schools now, thanks to various federal mandates and lawsuits, that we have plenty of evidence that the schools are not the problem. The kids are.

    Spending money does not address the problem. A quality education requires an orderly classroom where most students are reasonably prepared for class. If a black student DOES want to study seriously he won’t be able to do it in public schools where most of the students are black, because too many of them are acting up and the teachers are not allowed to take effective counter-measures such as suspension or expulsion. Private schools have the advantage of willingness to maintain an orderly environment, while mostly-white, mostly middle-class public schools have the advantage that a lower percentage of students are disorderly. So, the black parent who wants to get his kids out of inner city schools is essentially correct.

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    That’s why school vouchers is an important issue even if one accepts HBD. There are still many black children who could benefit from a better school environment. For instance, in Chicago many kids can get scholarships to Catholic schools.
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  30. Merde says:
    @J.Ross
    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before! White flight doomed our otherwise perfect schools because whites took all the tax money with them. If only they would hold still. Violence is mentioned only in a brief, mocking note that some whites "think" that black neighborhoods are more violent. Nothing about IQ, performance, classroom behavior, or programmatically rewarding failure. Lots of nonsense about how parents came to Friday night basketball games but now have no way to spend their evening.
    A particular example, in Western Michigan. I forget the towns mentioned but one community split along racial lines right around the time forced bussing was attempted. The black subcommunity's schools fell apart and now that school board gave up and will bus the black kids to the white school for reasons of cash and not justice. No dwelling on the irony, or speculation about how this will be received by a community formed largely to avoid this very thing.

    The example from Michigan could be Benton Harbor/St. Joseph. Benton Harbor is 89% Black and has a median income $17,000. St. Joseph is 88% White and has a median income of $49,000. The St. Joseph River divides tragic from magic dirt.

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  31. Aardvark says:

    I had read before that inner city kids had their own form of self-sabotage: “Acting smart is acting white”. No amount of money would fix this. No amount of re-arranging the deck chairs on the shipwreck that idea came from would help either.

    I read the opening as “we need you white people to stop being smart and making all the money so we can make it ourselves, gentrify our own neighborhoods and tax fund our own schools with no whites in it. Then our kids will be real geniuses!

    Perhaps the Atlantic can back to us on how that fantasy turned out.

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  32. Thea says:

    Wait for it…next they will say it’s racist to have white children. You know it’s coming. Have a bunch to piss them off.

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  33. “White parents stop hoarding resources”

    Meaning of course “Socialism/Communism is the answer and solution, what else.

    This relentless quest by the leftist nut-cases for the installment of Communism is so transparent and worn-out that one wonders why it is not called out and exposed.

    Me thinks that this is due to the german-based american worship of so-called “authority” figures : Teachers, professors, judges, lawyers, politicians, medicos, clergy, journalists, state’s attorneys, etc etc etc, in other words all of the grifters and BS artists of society.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

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  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    An elaborate, masterful defenestration. My compliments.

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  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites against blacks in this country, we now have to hear for an eternity about how racism and white privilege are what’s holding back blacks today

    My god, you're tiresome.

    We have to hear about those things because black people aren't as smart or successful as white people, but they're never going to admit that. So what are they going to do, other than blame us?

    Black people do the same thing in places like Sweden, where there weren't even any black people until thirty years ago, and since then, the ones who moved there have been catered to shamelessly by native Swedes. It has nothing to do with how the Swedes actually treated them.

    My god, you’re tiresome.

    Took the words right out of my mouth. I’m beginning to think that the phrase “self-important blowhard” is redundant.

    Meanwhile, your point about Sweden is excellent and worth remembering and repeating. It applies to many other countries as well, which are currently enjoying the joys of diversity for the first time.

    I wish people could somehow be led to understand that this transformation is forever.

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  36. @Anon
    Blacks not beating up white kids and teachers will help.

    Working in the tire/battery lanes at a Sears auto in Austin in the 80s, a young amiable black co-worker told me he had never seen a white person until the schools were integrated. He did say that they beat up the white kids bussed in.

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    Working in the tire/battery lanes at a Sears auto in Austin in the 80s, a young amiable black co-worker told me he had never seen a white person until the schools were integrated. He did say that they beat up the white kids bussed in.
     
    It will be the rare white mom that won't be aware of this; number 1 issue for womyn is personal safety and security for themselves and their offspring.

    So no way in hell will they ever get many whites to buy into this. This is especially true with whites that have had some experience with feral NAMs, but even the "virgins" will figure it out real quick after exposure to them...
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  37. @Yan Shen
    Shen's Law: In America, blacks, Hispanics, and whites love obsessing over race and over each other!

    Shen's Second Law: In America there are two narratives operating in parallel, the mainstream narrative in which privileged whites benefit at the expense of disadvantaged blacks and Hispanics and the less discussed narrative in which whites along with blacks and Hispanics are increasingly fleeing elite STEM oriented schools like Stuyvesant dominated by Asians.

    Hey, Yan Shen: Where’s the sentence about me hating on blacks all day long?

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    You're right. I left out uh Shen's Fourth Law. There are 3 things certain in this world, death, taxes, and John Derbyshire warning us endlessly about the perils of black people!

    In all seriousness though, there's nothing wrong with disliking blacks. I believe in freedom of association. No one said anyone had to like anyone else.

    Your numerous supporters have chided me for equating you to Ta Nehisi Coates because while 99% of Mr. Coates writings relate to race and how bad white people are, the equivalent % of your writings that relate to race and how bad black people are is undoubtedly lower. While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn't negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.

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  38. @Yan Shen
    In all fairness, I think Hannah-Jones is a fairly good example of Shen's Third Law. Thanks to prior bad behavior by racist and violent whites, we basically have to hear about how racism is the source of everything that's holding back blacks today, when in reality blacks are much to blame for their own woes in the 21st century USA. If whites back in the day had just uh taken John Derbyshire's advice and treated their fellow blacks in a humane and civilized fashion, perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this post-modern nightmare that is contemporary American society.

    Focusing merely on lynchings kind of misses the point. The institution of slavery and segregation was a fairly racist and violent affair beyond how many blacks were actually killed at the hands of whites. The violence perpetuated was both physical and psychological.

    As I stated in an earlier thread, although African Americans today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, historically whites have tended to excel at organized violence and brutality. This has led both blacks and whites to be wary of each other. By and large I don't disagree when people like Coates or Hannah-Jones point out how blacks got the short end of the stick in this country for much of the past few centuries. Where I differ from them perhaps is in believing that somehow that's still the cause of everything afflicting the black community today.

    I agree with some of your points but you may be underestimating the degree to which the public formulation of black grievances and their cure is the work of white liberals and intended to benefit them. The Dems wouldn’t win any elections without their black bloc vote and blacks are pretty Republican on a lot of topics, e.g. they don’t lose sleep worrying about Christmas trees on public property nor are feminism and gay lib sacred to them. Eventually some of the black celebrity sound bites trickle down to the black masses but I wouldn’t blame the masses too much. Responsibility is a confusing topic since we tend simultaneously to hold individuals accountable AND blame society, environment, and so on — whichever is more convenient, usually.

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  39. Yan Shen says: • Website
    @John Derbyshire
    Hey, Yan Shen: Where's the sentence about me hating on blacks all day long?

    You’re right. I left out uh Shen’s Fourth Law. There are 3 things certain in this world, death, taxes, and John Derbyshire warning us endlessly about the perils of black people!

    In all seriousness though, there’s nothing wrong with disliking blacks. I believe in freedom of association. No one said anyone had to like anyone else.

    Your numerous supporters have chided me for equating you to Ta Nehisi Coates because while 99% of Mr. Coates writings relate to race and how bad white people are, the equivalent % of your writings that relate to race and how bad black people are is undoubtedly lower. While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn’t negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.

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    Yan, I read your rambling rant on why WN is falacious over at your blogg, including your amusing whole-sale embrace of the whole "yes but muh native Americans", which is of course silly since America didn't even exist as a country Before Europeans came. It was just a scattered bunch of tribes.

    But the more hilarious point was that it made more sense to congregate on the basis of IQ. But if that is the case, why wouldn't, say, China importing a bunch of Indians, South-East Asians and so on en masse? After all, the smart ones can sort with the smart Chinese and wouldn't the IQ 100 Chinese prefer the company of similarily intelligent Indians over hanging out with 130 IQ Chinese? See how absurd your argument is?

    And whites in general are uniquely deracinated, at least for now, so they are not a good comparison with other people. However, this deracination may not lost forever because tribalism in the norm the world over, including in white history. There's no reason to expect the current exception to continue forever.

    That said, you should try to pubish your rambling rant at Unz. This website likes provocative texts which stirs the honeypot.

    , @Mr. Anon

    While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn’t negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.
     
    Multiple people? Like who? Can you name one?

    Are these "multiple" people all you? Do you have alternate personalities?

    And, if so, can you please present a more interesting one than the one you present here?
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  40. Yak-15 says:
    @jack daniels
    Spending money does not address the problem. A quality education requires an orderly classroom where most students are reasonably prepared for class. If a black student DOES want to study seriously he won't be able to do it in public schools where most of the students are black, because too many of them are acting up and the teachers are not allowed to take effective counter-measures such as suspension or expulsion. Private schools have the advantage of willingness to maintain an orderly environment, while mostly-white, mostly middle-class public schools have the advantage that a lower percentage of students are disorderly. So, the black parent who wants to get his kids out of inner city schools is essentially correct.

    That’s why school vouchers is an important issue even if one accepts HBD. There are still many black children who could benefit from a better school environment. For instance, in Chicago many kids can get scholarships to Catholic schools.

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    School vouchers are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts government money into private schools and with the money would come government control. Private schools, especially religious ones, should be as free of government control as possible. Also, vouchers would likely change the nature of private schools.
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  41. Arclight says:

    I love articles like this because although integrated schools are framed as a way to ensure blacks (it’s always blacks) get more ‘resources’ it’s really because even most black people feel their kids would do better if they were around higher-performing whites in school rather than other black kids. Rather than recognize that they implicitly view whites as having superior cultural habits, it has to be framed as a funding issue.

    But even if we had a public school with the ideal racial mix the interviewee mentions, she’d still end up unhappy in the end because the the white and Asian parents would soon dominate the PTA and direction of the school, and the administrators and faculty would have to go along lest their most prized students leave…which means the bargain is that the parents of 70% of the kids in this hypothetical school would have to be willing to take a back seat to the hated white minority and the tiger moms, while also being confronted with the yawning gap in academic achievement on a daily basis.

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  42. Anon7 says:

    Totalitarian educators announce the Final Solution to black education inequality: an Ashkenazi Jew in every inner city classroom.

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    Totalitarian educators announce the Final Solution to black education inequality: an Ashkenazi Jew in every inner city classroom.
     
    This is kind of a funny idea. It would certainly make many heads explode.
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  43. @dr kill
    Ending public education would solve this problem. Count me in.

    Ending public education would solve this problem. Count me in.

    Me too, of course. You’re not gonna get much more agreement from the alt-right crowd, though, as the idea of education left to the whim of the parents is just too “muh Constitutiony” and freedom-oriented for them.

    They’d rather have Socialism with White Characteristics, which works until the OPM runs out and they have bred too many feeders on the system, like, say, I dunno, NOW?

    “No Stupid Left Behind”

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  44. Clyde says:

    SEMI-OT This was posted at a blog

    Anonymous said…
    This is what happens when the Democrats throw everyone under the bus to build their base and use taxes to pay for supporting their welfare state infrastructure instead of our civic infrastructure.

    They also gutted education making snowflakes that are really up on food, travel, and leisure but have never received training on traditional American values as thrift, hard work, saving for the future – all that boring stuff to those that have a 30 second attention span and dream they are another unique edition to our faceless glut of producers, bloggers, authors, or musicians.

    Also gutting vocational training, the arts, and most importantly, civics from schools will be deadly to our society’s future. Why are we importing people to put up buildings, work in offices, etc while our native born either nods out over drugs because they have no opportunity or future – or squanders their youth producing trivial art that is garbage.

    When you talk to kids about civics and government, all you get back are the empty bored platitudes feed them by the Democrats, or worse, Socialists. The rest of the country seems to have regressed to the 1930s.

    People need to be engaged in government, know what to expect from government, and expect government to do their bidding. Government has zoomed off in this disastrous direction because its in a disconnect with its citizens.

    Instead we have a government officials that lead ‘pussy hat’ parades across bridges and others that use their office to pay off donors by opening community assets – as land- to the personal benefit of said donors and killing funding to those who cry ‘shame! shame! shame!’ as their communities start to die from developers exploiting the stupid greed of public officials.

    We go to meetings to hear about ideas to solve these problems and we get long discussions about stuff people really don’t give a crap about – who cares about transgender rights if you cannot afford college or find a job, who cares about bike lanes if you cannot get to work on time, who cares about the opportunity of chain immigration if you cannot afford to rent an apartment or get married and buy a house?

    Its time we stop talking about things that build the Democratic Party and start talking about things that build our nation.

    We need to start a civic discourse in this country and it has to start with the politicians right here in Queens to:

    1. stop being expected to be worshiped as demi-gods,
    2. stop stomping on dissent (its a citizen’s duty, right, and obligation you jerks!), and
    3. start to be public ‘servants’ (serve the community’s rather than a donor’s needs)

    … and if it needs to be a revolution starting from the ground up to replace you pols then the only question is at what point does the entire structure blow up and it starts?

    ❝We hang the petty thieves and elect the great ones to public office.❞ —Aesop

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    " Its time we stop talking about things which build the Democratic party".

    The Democratic party and their RHINO partners in crime are the scourge and downfall of the nation, the most perplexing and paradoxical aspect of this tragedy being they themselves are too stupid to realize that they are destroying the goose which lays their own golden eggs.
    Six-figure fools called "Professors" in universities propagating marxism while driving Mercedes Benz to their reserved parking spaces. Blabber-mouthed clowns who cannot envision the point in time when the country runs out of the moola being confiscated from the working stiffs on the assembly line

    I am so simply worn out from all of the BS propaganda about how "Intelligent" and "Edumacated" they, the leftist idiots, are : They are neither intelligent nor educated or they would not be doing what they are doing , period.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained U S Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  45. Curle says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    “ slowly and reluctantly”

    If you want to speed the process send your kids to a majority black ghetto school. I was sent to one for awhile gratis a federal judge at the dawn of the busing era. Lasted as long as it took my folks to exercise their racist prerogative to move. The experience at that school and my parent’s reaction left me in no doubt that they loved me.

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  46. @Yan Shen
    I hope Hannah-Jones realizes that there's a reason why people don't want their kids at a school with large numbers of black kids.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9gT_Nc41s4

    Contrast that with the video below. Now, why is uh Stuyveysant over 72% Asian American again?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL5mKE4e4uU

    That juxtaposition is so eye-opening to HBD! You should try to get it on to youtube, or facebook or something. Excellent contrast for seeing the impact of HBD on society.

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    Shen's Second Law suggests that African Americans have no idea just how out of touch they are with reality. The gulf separating Tiger Cubs from most African Americans in this country is incomprehensibly vast. Of course this is the narrative less discussed by our mainstream media.
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  47. @415 reasons
    White parents put their kids in private school if they live in a diverse school system. They'd move to a white community if they couldn't send their kids to private school. The answer: take away their autonomy to make racist choices. This is the second or third link on iSteve tonight where someone discovered through sheer logic that being woke means implementing a totalitarian dictatorship.

    In Philly, even black parents have been sending their kids to parochial school for decades, though the family may be AME or African Baptist.

    Everybody knows about the public schools.

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    Same story for Igbo Nigerian immigrants in the Washington/Baltimore area. They don't want anything to do with the ghetto underclass, anymore than other ethnic groups.

    The Indians and Pakistanis who run the liquor stores and mom and pop dry cleaners in inner city Baltimore, leading to whatever semblance of an economy that exists independently of the drug market, plan on fleeing to the suburbs the moment they get enough money, like their Korean and Taiwanese predecessors did. The local politicians are delusional in thinking otherwise. The reason they have to stick it out and run their businesses behind glass doors for years? Well... you guessed it, private schools for the kids.

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  48. Henry A says:
    @syonredux

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that’s an awfully low bar….
     
    Maybe I'm being unfair...after all, she did use past tense ("were"). So, using the Tuskegee Lynching tally, how far back do we have to go to find a lynching?1964....and the total for that year is three, two Whites and one Black....So, one is more than none....but that's still an awfully low bar.

    How about going back a bit further?1963 had one Black Lynching victim....1961 had one....1955 had three...1935 had 18...so that's double digits....1901 had 105 (peak year for the 20th century).....Overall peak year is 1892, with 161....Dunno, even the lynchiest year seems rather puny....Perhaps that's way she cleverly avoided giving an actual figure....

    One of the unnoticed (at least by historians) functions of Jim Crow laws was that it legally codified what Blacks were and weren’t permitted to do in civil society and thus made the penalties for such transgressions a criminal matter and less subject to mob justice. As a result lynchings declined. Most of the stats on lynching leave out the really bloody years of the late 1860s and 70s so the decline that coincided with The introduction of Jim Crow goes unnoticed. By the 1930s SouthernBlacks were more likely to be killed by lightning than by lynching. And any Black today under the age of 80 claiming to have lost family members due to lynching is just a liar.

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    Yes, the numbers of blacks lynched was always miniscule. Blacks slaughter each other today at horrendous rates and the victims include many children. Virtually all the blacks lynched were young males. Although I'm sure that there were completely innocent blacks who were lynched the overwhelming majority were in fact vicious criminals.
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  49. @Steve Sailer
    The highest paid professor at Harvard College (i.e., undergraduate rather than professional school) is Roland Fryer, a black economist who does interesting Freakonomics-type experiments. He earns it -- he brings in a huge amount of outside funding for his studies from billionaires like Michael Bloomberg. My guess is that the highest paid black professors tend to be more centrist, like Fryer and Henry Louis Gates, than leftist.

    How do you know what Harvard pays?

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  50. gunner29 says:
    @Anonymouse
    Working in the tire/battery lanes at a Sears auto in Austin in the 80s, a young amiable black co-worker told me he had never seen a white person until the schools were integrated. He did say that they beat up the white kids bussed in.

    Working in the tire/battery lanes at a Sears auto in Austin in the 80s, a young amiable black co-worker told me he had never seen a white person until the schools were integrated. He did say that they beat up the white kids bussed in.

    It will be the rare white mom that won’t be aware of this; number 1 issue for womyn is personal safety and security for themselves and their offspring.

    So no way in hell will they ever get many whites to buy into this. This is especially true with whites that have had some experience with feral NAMs, but even the “virgins” will figure it out real quick after exposure to them…

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  51. @J.Ross
    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before! White flight doomed our otherwise perfect schools because whites took all the tax money with them. If only they would hold still. Violence is mentioned only in a brief, mocking note that some whites "think" that black neighborhoods are more violent. Nothing about IQ, performance, classroom behavior, or programmatically rewarding failure. Lots of nonsense about how parents came to Friday night basketball games but now have no way to spend their evening.
    A particular example, in Western Michigan. I forget the towns mentioned but one community split along racial lines right around the time forced bussing was attempted. The black subcommunity's schools fell apart and now that school board gave up and will bus the black kids to the white school for reasons of cash and not justice. No dwelling on the irony, or speculation about how this will be received by a community formed largely to avoid this very thing.

    J.Ross, isn’t that akin to the Mexican lament? The gringos took our land and all the good roads and bridges.

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    White people stole all the good genes. Harsh environmental selection for 10,000 years has nothing to do with white privilege.
    , @J.Ross
    It's not perfectly the same. The Mexicans are thinking like Muslims ("any land we once occupied is still technically ours, and will eventually be reconquered"). The blacks are just beggars. If white communities sent "aid" blacks would be content (except when actively soliciting aid; but their needs would be met and their potential for action beyond whining would be neutralized). If Mexicans got unearned assistance from the US government (as they do now in a dozen ways) they would still move as zealously to "correct" the map.
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  52. @El Dato
    One could force teachers to learn some Krav Maga?

    There was this comic strip in MAD Magazine in the mid-eightes.

    Teacher #1: Crying, pushing with his back against the schoolroom door in which pure bedlam has evidently been unleashed: "I'm not going back in there, They can't force me to go back in there!"
    Teacher #2: Smugly smiling: "Well, dear colleague. Since I have obtained black belt in Karate, I haven't had any problems with classroom discipline."

    El Dato, Change that to Crave MAGA.

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  53. For a long time, most of my youth, parents could send their children to Catholic schools, a reasonably priced alternative to expensive private education. Now most dioceses no longer support Catholic grade schools and high schools. The results are visible in most northeastern cities. Whites bite the bullet and pay for private schooling or they leave for the suburbs where they have a voice and usually no push back from strong teacher’s unions.

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  54. JimB says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    J.Ross, isn't that akin to the Mexican lament? The gringos took our land and all the good roads and bridges.

    White people stole all the good genes. Harsh environmental selection for 10,000 years has nothing to do with white privilege.

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  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Yan Shen
    You're right. I left out uh Shen's Fourth Law. There are 3 things certain in this world, death, taxes, and John Derbyshire warning us endlessly about the perils of black people!

    In all seriousness though, there's nothing wrong with disliking blacks. I believe in freedom of association. No one said anyone had to like anyone else.

    Your numerous supporters have chided me for equating you to Ta Nehisi Coates because while 99% of Mr. Coates writings relate to race and how bad white people are, the equivalent % of your writings that relate to race and how bad black people are is undoubtedly lower. While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn't negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.

    Yan, I read your rambling rant on why WN is falacious over at your blogg, including your amusing whole-sale embrace of the whole “yes but muh native Americans”, which is of course silly since America didn’t even exist as a country Before Europeans came. It was just a scattered bunch of tribes.

    But the more hilarious point was that it made more sense to congregate on the basis of IQ. But if that is the case, why wouldn’t, say, China importing a bunch of Indians, South-East Asians and so on en masse? After all, the smart ones can sort with the smart Chinese and wouldn’t the IQ 100 Chinese prefer the company of similarily intelligent Indians over hanging out with 130 IQ Chinese? See how absurd your argument is?

    And whites in general are uniquely deracinated, at least for now, so they are not a good comparison with other people. However, this deracination may not lost forever because tribalism in the norm the world over, including in white history. There’s no reason to expect the current exception to continue forever.

    That said, you should try to pubish your rambling rant at Unz. This website likes provocative texts which stirs the honeypot.

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  56. The major problem with American education is the epistemological child molesters of the NEA and AFT who are using public schools as a grand laboratory for social engineering. The acceptance of sexual deviancy as normal is one of their major goals. The practical destruction of the traditional family is another goal. After all, it takes a village, don’t you know?

    The school nurse has to call for permission to give a student an aspirin but if the same child wanted access to birth control or an abortion without her parents knowledge the local school would be glad to oblige.

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  57. @Clyde
    SEMI-OT This was posted at a blog

    Anonymous said...
    This is what happens when the Democrats throw everyone under the bus to build their base and use taxes to pay for supporting their welfare state infrastructure instead of our civic infrastructure.

    They also gutted education making snowflakes that are really up on food, travel, and leisure but have never received training on traditional American values as thrift, hard work, saving for the future - all that boring stuff to those that have a 30 second attention span and dream they are another unique edition to our faceless glut of producers, bloggers, authors, or musicians.

    Also gutting vocational training, the arts, and most importantly, civics from schools will be deadly to our society's future. Why are we importing people to put up buildings, work in offices, etc while our native born either nods out over drugs because they have no opportunity or future - or squanders their youth producing trivial art that is garbage.

    When you talk to kids about civics and government, all you get back are the empty bored platitudes feed them by the Democrats, or worse, Socialists. The rest of the country seems to have regressed to the 1930s.

    People need to be engaged in government, know what to expect from government, and expect government to do their bidding. Government has zoomed off in this disastrous direction because its in a disconnect with its citizens.

    Instead we have a government officials that lead 'pussy hat' parades across bridges and others that use their office to pay off donors by opening community assets - as land- to the personal benefit of said donors and killing funding to those who cry 'shame! shame! shame!' as their communities start to die from developers exploiting the stupid greed of public officials.

    We go to meetings to hear about ideas to solve these problems and we get long discussions about stuff people really don't give a crap about - who cares about transgender rights if you cannot afford college or find a job, who cares about bike lanes if you cannot get to work on time, who cares about the opportunity of chain immigration if you cannot afford to rent an apartment or get married and buy a house?

    Its time we stop talking about things that build the Democratic Party and start talking about things that build our nation.

    We need to start a civic discourse in this country and it has to start with the politicians right here in Queens to:

    1. stop being expected to be worshiped as demi-gods,
    2. stop stomping on dissent (its a citizen's duty, right, and obligation you jerks!), and
    3. start to be public 'servants' (serve the community's rather than a donor's needs)

    ... and if it needs to be a revolution starting from the ground up to replace you pols then the only question is at what point does the entire structure blow up and it starts?
     

    ❝We hang the petty thieves and elect the great ones to public office.❞ —Aesop

    ” Its time we stop talking about things which build the Democratic party”.

    The Democratic party and their RHINO partners in crime are the scourge and downfall of the nation, the most perplexing and paradoxical aspect of this tragedy being they themselves are too stupid to realize that they are destroying the goose which lays their own golden eggs.
    Six-figure fools called “Professors” in universities propagating marxism while driving Mercedes Benz to their reserved parking spaces. Blabber-mouthed clowns who cannot envision the point in time when the country runs out of the moola being confiscated from the working stiffs on the assembly line

    I am so simply worn out from all of the BS propaganda about how “Intelligent” and “Edumacated” they, the leftist idiots, are : They are neither intelligent nor educated or they would not be doing what they are doing , period.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained U S Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  58. Mr. Anon says:
    @J.Ross
    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before! White flight doomed our otherwise perfect schools because whites took all the tax money with them. If only they would hold still. Violence is mentioned only in a brief, mocking note that some whites "think" that black neighborhoods are more violent. Nothing about IQ, performance, classroom behavior, or programmatically rewarding failure. Lots of nonsense about how parents came to Friday night basketball games but now have no way to spend their evening.
    A particular example, in Western Michigan. I forget the towns mentioned but one community split along racial lines right around the time forced bussing was attempted. The black subcommunity's schools fell apart and now that school board gave up and will bus the black kids to the white school for reasons of cash and not justice. No dwelling on the irony, or speculation about how this will be received by a community formed largely to avoid this very thing.

    They were talking about this on NPR in these same terms yesterday or the day before!

    Probably a discussion among people who either have no kids, or who send their kids to private schools.

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  59. Mr. Anon says:
    @Yan Shen
    You're right. I left out uh Shen's Fourth Law. There are 3 things certain in this world, death, taxes, and John Derbyshire warning us endlessly about the perils of black people!

    In all seriousness though, there's nothing wrong with disliking blacks. I believe in freedom of association. No one said anyone had to like anyone else.

    Your numerous supporters have chided me for equating you to Ta Nehisi Coates because while 99% of Mr. Coates writings relate to race and how bad white people are, the equivalent % of your writings that relate to race and how bad black people are is undoubtedly lower. While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn't negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.

    While your body of work is certainly broader in subject matter than that of Mr. Coates, I contend that this doesn’t negate the equivalency which multiple people have now noted.

    Multiple people? Like who? Can you name one?

    Are these “multiple” people all you? Do you have alternate personalities?

    And, if so, can you please present a more interesting one than the one you present here?

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  60. a reader says:
    @Neoconned1
    Why are these "black" journalists and bloggers who bitch about this stuff.....why are they always these weird super light skinned mixed race women with the weird Wanda Sykes fro slash dreads look? .....even though they're at least half white?

    And why do they always live in 1) California or 2) like the whitest northern cities and/or they're part of the weird black vegan type social circle in Chicago and don't go anywhere near the black war zones on the south or west sides....

    Incidentally, Hannah-Jones and her sister attended almost all-white schools as part of a voluntary program of desegregation busing.

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    LoL her mom is a Czech Polack from Iowa.

    She had to throw in that little nugget about the Mississippi Delta, like it's a resume enhancer or something....the irony being the Mississippi Delta has the HIGHEST RATE of white flight in the entire state of Mississippi and these days is overwhelmingly African American.....doubt she will be moving down soon.... probably stay in Iowa where it's boring and safe....
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  61. Moses says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person.

    Fabrication.

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  62. Whiskey says: • Website

    What is the end-game? Driven to its natural conclusion, is the reality that attaining educational equality will require FORCED attendance at the worst schools in the country by every White kid. Particularly White boys. It will be essentially a draft for kids.

    That is exactly where we are headed. Liberals, i.e. those who worship the garbage Civic Religion of Multiculturalism and Diversity and at its core, Calvinist class hatred of the lower classes, will not give up their desire for “equality.” Made worse is the relative weakness of the White lower classes, those who work for a living and don’t have trust funds. These people now find themselves beset by the new rulers of the West. Non-Whites.

    African descended people being both far more extraverted on average and having the advantage of lower average IQs to match extraversion and higher levels of violence, create “sexy” men which Heartiste notes is driving European women to proclaim with arms (and legs) wide open “Rapefugees Welcome!” Far better a regime of poverty, violence, and ethnic cleansing than boring beta males is what amounts to female thinking, in between rages at beta males for first raping, then groping, then ogling, then just looking at them.

    The net result is not going to be confined to a draft for White kids. Who will turn into the boys particularly hardened racists after getting beat up every day for their skin color. [The girls will all become girlfriends of gang leaders]. I suspect this is the point. White women have made it clear they won’t tolerate and accept even the existence of White beta males anymore; and are roughly allied (the Moore vote totals tell the story; he lost a lot of White female votes while retaining most of his White male votes) with non-Whites to push White beta males (90% of White men) to what amounts to some sort of serfdom or slavery.

    This is not going to end well — a massive non-White population requiring essentially enslavement of White men to produce the MONEY to keep the welfare/subsidy transfers to both the non-White majority and the thin White oligarchy that depends on institutional control is a recipe for ultra-violent civil war that will make Rwanda and the Balkans look like a school play.

    Semi-related: is this at least in part coloring Rupert Murdoch’s throwing in the towel and selling off his empire as he sees his kids being clueless liberal idiots and figures liquid global wealth is the only way to shield his much younger ones from the mob sure to come? [Color and ethnicity yet to be determined.]

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    African descended people being both far more extraverted on average and having the advantage of lower average IQs to match extraversion and higher levels of violence, create “sexy” men which Heartiste notes is driving European women to proclaim with arms (and legs) wide open “Rapefugees Welcome!” Far better a regime of poverty, violence, and ethnic cleansing than boring beta males is what amounts to female thinking, in between rages at beta males for first raping, then groping, then ogling, then just looking at them.
     
    As I uh previously noted, in contrast to the philosophy of cognitive elitism which I often promote, our good friend Whiskey promotes what might best be described as cocknitive elitism. It's sexy, sexy black men all the way down!
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  63. Anon87 says:

    Related to education: Erdogan in Western NY, H1-B visas, and of course the required charges of “racism”.

    Related-party charter school deal generated healthy profit for developer from public funds

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  64. Moses says:
    @Moses

    But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person.

     

    Fabrication.

    Jewish men don’t date schwartzes. Just doesn’t happen.

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    Jewish men don’t date schwartzes. Just doesn’t happen.
     
    They're far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.
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  65. Whiskey says: • Website

    Let me add one more thing — America LOVES Black people and have since Sanford and Son. Back in the bad old days of the early 70′s, when it was just four years after the slaying of Martin Luther King — that show was #2 in America for years.

    But America’s love affair with Blacks, going back to Louis Armstrong, and comprising Jackie Robinson and Marion Motley and later, O.J. Simpson and Mohammed Ali, depended on enjoying Black entertainers remotely, on the radio, on TV, in movies. Not actually living next to actual real live Black people. Who do things like shove clerks to the ground in strong-arm robberies and get into pointless fights with cops for refusing to stop blocking traffic.

    Make most White people live next to most actual real life Black people and they will reliably turn into Klan members based on actual Black behavior that constantly victimizes anyone around them: other Black people, White people, anyone not able and willing to retaliate massively in the next five seconds.

    True, real integration will provoke in White people a Frontier Mentality. One that has Whites always armed, ready to as Al Pacino put it in “Heat” … “rock and roll at the drop of a hat.” Are elites really prepared for every White dude morphing into the Outlaw Josey Wales, complete with more than half a century of movies and TV celebrating semi-outlaws who are ultra violent and protect their own (including most Clint Eastwood movies made before he turned 70). Among other things, White dudes morphing into Frontier Bad Men would suddenly up the stakes in the male sexiness. Seeing the Rap fueled gangsta antics and raising them to the Man With No Name. Its not as if there is lacking a whole set of cultural heroes embodying these attributes amonth White men and the willingness to adopt it once the certainty of segregated life comes to an end.

    Good Fences Make Good Neighbors. I would not rely on Robert Frost for romantic poetry, but neither would I choose Pablo Neruda for public policy.

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  66. Hail says: • Website

    Gentrification will only create diverse public schools if White parents stop hoarding resources

    I re-read this sentence several times and am still not sure what they’re saying. Is ‘diversity’ here meant to be a good thing or bad thing? The problem is the clashing definitions and implications of the words ‘diversity’ and ‘gentrification’ have perhaps drastically lowered my reading comprehension ability in PC-speak.

    ‘Gentrification’ means pushing out Blacks and generally Whitening-up a community over the period of one to two decades. Is this Good for Diversity or Bad for Diversity? It, in theory, implies fewer Nonwhites in local schools, thus a bad thing for Diversity (?).

    Whether pushing out formerly-dominant Blacks is a good thing or bad thing “for diversity” hinges entirely on what ‘diverse’ means. Is it here meant in its dictionary definition (25% Black, 25% Hispanic, 25% White, 20% Asian, 5% Amerindian and Other being perfect diversity), or in its defacto present-day meaning of “more and more Nonwhite”? (i.e., 85% Black as “much more diverse” than 70% White, 30% Black; for a recent example, see the headlines, perhaps connected to the Trump-vs.-Lavar diss contest, on how the NBA is the “most diverse sports league,” when in fact as per the dictionary definition it is the least diverse.).

    So one reading of the headline would be, “[White] gentrification pushes out [former resident] Blacks into ever-Blacker areas with ultra-diverse student populations (less than 5% White).

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  67. Tiny Duck says:

    Ms. Jones addresses this contention

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that’s only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that’s a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

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    So 'hoarding resources' is simply a new euphemism for 'white racism'?
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  68. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Yan Shen
    Shen's Law: In America, blacks, Hispanics, and whites love obsessing over race and over each other!

    Shen's Second Law: In America there are two narratives operating in parallel, the mainstream narrative in which privileged whites benefit at the expense of disadvantaged blacks and Hispanics and the less discussed narrative in which whites along with blacks and Hispanics are increasingly fleeing elite STEM oriented schools like Stuyvesant dominated by Asians.

    I think I have observed something that will come to be taken for granted without being a named law (besides, I want my law to be the tendency for whatever the official organs of respectable discourse are obsessed with at any given moment to often turn out to be absolutely nothing). In fact, plenty of readers probably already think this. Here’s a hint: observe the general patterns of political behavior by blacks in Africa. Now observe the general patterns of political behavior of African Americans here. This isn’t “obsessing about race” and there is no honest way to mush it into the concerns and discussions of the others races. This is “In the name of the glorious Tribe A, you motherless bastards in Tribe B had better give us a good deal, what with machetes being on sale at The Sportsman’s Guide, and since we’re catching up over family photos, need I remind you of all the martyrous suffering of our righteous A people at the hands of the inherently villainous B people?” That’s not what whites or Asians are doing, but it is how Africans negotiate at the sub-national level.

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  69. Jake says:

    “The problem with American education is that white parents keep hoarding all the white children.”

    That is funny, but secondary. The two primary essential problems, in historical order, are: the WASP Elites during the Civil War and Reconstruction making Negroes the nation’s pet sacred cow; and whites cutting back their numbers of children per couple from 4.5 to 9 all the way down to 0 to 2.2.

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  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

    syonredux: Wait, I though that we were Hindus….You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time….But now we’re back to Christian ideas about Original Sin….

    Isn’t forgiveness a big part of Christianity? At what point are blacks going to forgive whites for slavery, especially considering that whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?

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    If blacks are unable to forgive whites for slavery, then perhaps they should consider finding another place to live - maybe return to Africa.
    , @International Jew

    whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?
     
    That's where the theory of "white privilege'" comes in. It's nonsense, yes, but you should know about it.
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  71. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buffalo Joe
    J.Ross, isn't that akin to the Mexican lament? The gringos took our land and all the good roads and bridges.

    It’s not perfectly the same. The Mexicans are thinking like Muslims (“any land we once occupied is still technically ours, and will eventually be reconquered”). The blacks are just beggars. If white communities sent “aid” blacks would be content (except when actively soliciting aid; but their needs would be met and their potential for action beyond whining would be neutralized). If Mexicans got unearned assistance from the US government (as they do now in a dozen ways) they would still move as zealously to “correct” the map.

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    The sheer genius of America's last great president, James K. Polk, was taking the top of Mexico, and not all of it, precisely because it was sparsely settled by Spaniards, and mestizos. The indios, no match for the Plains tribes like the Comanches, could be handled, and they were sparse too.

    The lower part with its high populations of unassimilable and often undesirable people was left alone.

    If the mestizos were all that, they would have populated that area.
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  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yak-15
    That’s why school vouchers is an important issue even if one accepts HBD. There are still many black children who could benefit from a better school environment. For instance, in Chicago many kids can get scholarships to Catholic schools.

    School vouchers are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts government money into private schools and with the money would come government control. Private schools, especially religious ones, should be as free of government control as possible. Also, vouchers would likely change the nature of private schools.

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    Government schools are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts taxpayer money into one-size-fits-all government schools with no opportunity for parental control of the education of their own children. Schools should be as free of government control as possible. Vouchers would engender far more parental choice and control for their children's education than the current government monopoly on taxpayer funding which stifles choice and innovation in education.
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  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    Totalitarian educators announce the Final Solution to black education inequality: an Ashkenazi Jew in every inner city classroom.

    Totalitarian educators announce the Final Solution to black education inequality: an Ashkenazi Jew in every inner city classroom.

    This is kind of a funny idea. It would certainly make many heads explode.

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  74. Issac says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    Blacks are in an untenable position everywhere. No matter who wins in the post-white world, they lose.

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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

    syonredux: Wait, I though that we were Hindus….You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time….But now we’re back to Christian ideas about Original Sin….
     

    Isn't forgiveness a big part of Christianity? At what point are blacks going to forgive whites for slavery, especially considering that whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?

    If blacks are unable to forgive whites for slavery, then perhaps they should consider finding another place to live – maybe return to Africa.

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  76. Yan Shen says: • Website
    @Whiskey
    What is the end-game? Driven to its natural conclusion, is the reality that attaining educational equality will require FORCED attendance at the worst schools in the country by every White kid. Particularly White boys. It will be essentially a draft for kids.

    That is exactly where we are headed. Liberals, i.e. those who worship the garbage Civic Religion of Multiculturalism and Diversity and at its core, Calvinist class hatred of the lower classes, will not give up their desire for "equality." Made worse is the relative weakness of the White lower classes, those who work for a living and don't have trust funds. These people now find themselves beset by the new rulers of the West. Non-Whites.

    African descended people being both far more extraverted on average and having the advantage of lower average IQs to match extraversion and higher levels of violence, create "sexy" men which Heartiste notes is driving European women to proclaim with arms (and legs) wide open "Rapefugees Welcome!" Far better a regime of poverty, violence, and ethnic cleansing than boring beta males is what amounts to female thinking, in between rages at beta males for first raping, then groping, then ogling, then just looking at them.

    The net result is not going to be confined to a draft for White kids. Who will turn into the boys particularly hardened racists after getting beat up every day for their skin color. [The girls will all become girlfriends of gang leaders]. I suspect this is the point. White women have made it clear they won't tolerate and accept even the existence of White beta males anymore; and are roughly allied (the Moore vote totals tell the story; he lost a lot of White female votes while retaining most of his White male votes) with non-Whites to push White beta males (90% of White men) to what amounts to some sort of serfdom or slavery.

    This is not going to end well -- a massive non-White population requiring essentially enslavement of White men to produce the MONEY to keep the welfare/subsidy transfers to both the non-White majority and the thin White oligarchy that depends on institutional control is a recipe for ultra-violent civil war that will make Rwanda and the Balkans look like a school play.

    Semi-related: is this at least in part coloring Rupert Murdoch's throwing in the towel and selling off his empire as he sees his kids being clueless liberal idiots and figures liquid global wealth is the only way to shield his much younger ones from the mob sure to come? [Color and ethnicity yet to be determined.]

    African descended people being both far more extraverted on average and having the advantage of lower average IQs to match extraversion and higher levels of violence, create “sexy” men which Heartiste notes is driving European women to proclaim with arms (and legs) wide open “Rapefugees Welcome!” Far better a regime of poverty, violence, and ethnic cleansing than boring beta males is what amounts to female thinking, in between rages at beta males for first raping, then groping, then ogling, then just looking at them.

    As I uh previously noted, in contrast to the philosophy of cognitive elitism which I often promote, our good friend Whiskey promotes what might best be described as cocknitive elitism. It’s sexy, sexy black men all the way down!

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  77. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    In case anyone is wondering why a town with such a tiny Black population has a Black majority High School:

    Granted, a lot of the people from the white parts of town went to Catholic parochial schools. If the school district actually took in all of the kids who lived within the boundaries, it probably would have been 30 percent black.

    So, does this mean that Jeff’s parents were idealists about public education, people who simply balked at the idea of sending little Jeffy to a private school? Or does it mean that Catholic schools were the only available non-public option, and they balked at the idea of sending little Jeffy to a Catholic institution?

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  78. J.Ross says: • Website
    @rogue-one
    You may like this article on why whites fled inner cities.

    What caused the dramatic rise of crime and blight in American cities from 1950 to 2000?
    (https://devinhelton.com/why-urban-decay )

    During the spring, someone stole their bikes right in front of them. [Mormon Missionary in Detroit] Porter gave chase, found out where the thieves lived from an elderly neighborhood snoop who tipped him off, went to that house and personally took the bikes back. “It was amazing,” he says, grinning.

    Two by two, we’re marching door to door
    Cos God loves Mormons and he wants some more!
    Great piece, thanks.

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  79. Dr. Doom says:

    The dirty little secret of “desegregation” and “bussing” is the basic genetic inferiority of dark races on the “racist” Truth of IQ. That 85 IQ is also a lie. That comes from a US Military exam. The US Military eliminated 90% of blacks for not being smart enough to do anything useful. That 85 IQ score is actually the median of “The Talented Tenth” you all hear about. Real black populations have IQ medians in the 60s and 70s. Its similar to simian studies. The shock of the test givers when that egalitarian fairy tale hits the Cold Reality of darkest Africa stupid is a sight to behold.
    The Myth of the 200 IQ black is complete fabrication. There ain’t no such animal. I’d rather hunt for Unicorns or search for Nessie. The “fossil fuel” haters will burn the oil reserves of Arabia to bus White kids to save schools full of dumb dark skinned idiots too dumb to get past elementary school. All the Lies are falling in on themselves. As Whites discover how badly they have been lied to, THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY…

    TRUST ME ON THIS.

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  80. syonredux says:

    Inside the mind of Jeffrey Goldberg:

    For me, the wonder was modern Israel, the greatest wonders being Jews with guns, and not just .22s, but Uzis and M-16s and bigger guns than these, grenade-spitting guns, great barking machine guns. On a bus tour across the Galilee, we drove in the wake of a tank transport, a mammoth truck carrying a deadly Jewish tank. A Jewish tank!And Jewish armored personnel carriers! It was a miracle. Enough of thinking and suffering! Let’s do some shooting!

    Ordinary sights were euphoriants: the cops, all Jewish; soldiers, everywhere—Jewish, swaggering, cool, impervious to abashment. Mean Jews, tough Jews, big Jews, and no gelded, Diaspora Jews in sight, except on my tour bus.

    Outside Rachel’s Tomb, in Bethlehem, I took a photo of a soldier; I kept that photo in my desk drawer and looked at it every night, telling myself that one day I would be this soldier.

    By the time we came home, I burned with love for Israel. I began this mystic pilgrimage a speck of a Jew, but I emerged utterly different, invested with a mission much larger than myself, larger, certainly, than the quotidian and occasionally terrifying life of a Long Island Jewish boy.

    My parents didn’t discourage my zeal. I was given a paperback copy of Exodus, the Leon Uris novel that served as the script notes for my dream life. I identified, body and soul, with the hero of Exodus, Ari Ben Canaan, a Hebrew (not, somehow, Jewish) warrior, brave and cold-eyed, who defended Jewish honor and whose existence itself seemed vengeance enough for the Holocaust. He was smarter than his British foes (not merely cleverer, which would be the trait of a Diaspora Jew). He was smarter, surely, than the Arabs who threatened to suffocate his new country, and he was handsome in a quite obviously non-Jewish way. The freeborn Jew Ben Canaan was very nearly an Übermensch.

    The principal American character in Exodus, Kitty Fremont, a nurse giving aid to Holocaust survivors, voices anti-Jewish feelings that Uris suggests hides in the hearts of America’s Christian majority.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/3179/across-the-great-divide

    This is the guy who serves as editor of The Atlantic, the same position that used to be filled by people like James Russell Lowell and William Dean Howells….

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    My parents didn’t discourage my zeal. I was given a paperback copy of Exodus, the Leon Uris novel that served as the script notes for my dream life. I identified, body and soul, with the hero of Exodus, Ari Ben Canaan, a Hebrew (not, somehow, Jewish) warrior, brave and cold-eyed, who defended Jewish honor and whose existence itself seemed vengeance enough for the Holocaust. He was smarter than his British foes (not merely cleverer, which would be the trait of a Diaspora Jew). He was smarter, surely, than the Arabs who threatened to suffocate his new country, and he was handsome in a quite obviously non-Jewish way. The freeborn Jew Ben Canaan was very nearly an Übermensch.
     
    Wonder if little Jeff spent time staring at photos of Paul Newman as Ari Ben Canaan:

    http://old.cinapse.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Exodus2-1600x900-c-default.jpg
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  81. @Anonymous

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

    syonredux: Wait, I though that we were Hindus….You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time….But now we’re back to Christian ideas about Original Sin….
     

    Isn't forgiveness a big part of Christianity? At what point are blacks going to forgive whites for slavery, especially considering that whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?

    whites were the ones who ended slavery, have already paid a huge price for it, and most had ancestors who had nothing to do with slavery?

    That’s where the theory of “white privilege’” comes in. It’s nonsense, yes, but you should know about it.

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  82. J.Ross says: • Website

    Outside Rachel’s Tomb, in Bethlehem, I took a photo of a soldier; I kept that photo in my desk drawer and looked at it every night, telling myself that one day I would be this soldier.

    Or an establishmentarian journalist. Same thing really, when you think about it.
    Did Uris use “Hebrew instead of Jewish” to describe the ben Canaan character because of the Zionist obsession with aliyah curing stereotypical Jewish traits, as illustrated by “smart rather than clever” and indeed the rest of the character, and as unwittingly caricatured by Goldberg oogling a photo of Instagram Slash Hot Israeli Army Guys? In the quoted piece does Goldberg examine this irony at all?

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  83. Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog…?

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    Well another commenter suggested that perhaps uh Ron Unz publish one of my "rants about the fallacies of white nationalism". Ron, if you ever want to give a guest platform to an Asian brother by publishing one of his low quality rants, I ain't gonna complain.
    , @Bill B.

    Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog…?
     
    Unfortunately Asians don't do irony very well.
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  84. Yan Shen says: • Website
    @International Jew
    Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog...?

    Well another commenter suggested that perhaps uh Ron Unz publish one of my “rants about the fallacies of white nationalism”. Ron, if you ever want to give a guest platform to an Asian brother by publishing one of his low quality rants, I ain’t gonna complain.

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  85. Yan Shen says: • Website
    @Peter Johnson
    That juxtaposition is so eye-opening to HBD! You should try to get it on to youtube, or facebook or something. Excellent contrast for seeing the impact of HBD on society.

    Shen’s Second Law suggests that African Americans have no idea just how out of touch they are with reality. The gulf separating Tiger Cubs from most African Americans in this country is incomprehensibly vast. Of course this is the narrative less discussed by our mainstream media.

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  86. Thirdeye says:
    @istevefan
    Whites brought blacks here as slaves. Why exactly are you here?

    The first Asians in North America came here as slaves too.

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  87. Thirdeye says:

    White flight from urban public schools couldn’t have anything to do with bureaucrats giving priority to meaningless statistical results to wave around for political reasons at the expense of actual education, could it? Naaaah……

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  88. @Tiny Duck
    Ms. Jones addresses this contention

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

    So ‘hoarding resources’ is simply a new euphemism for ‘white racism’?

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  89. Forbes says:
    @Anonymous
    School vouchers are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts government money into private schools and with the money would come government control. Private schools, especially religious ones, should be as free of government control as possible. Also, vouchers would likely change the nature of private schools.

    Government schools are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts taxpayer money into one-size-fits-all government schools with no opportunity for parental control of the education of their own children. Schools should be as free of government control as possible. Vouchers would engender far more parental choice and control for their children’s education than the current government monopoly on taxpayer funding which stifles choice and innovation in education.

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    You are both right about gov't schools and vouchers being bad ideas.

    Free market education!

    Catholic schools
    Christian schools
    Homeschooling
    Private schools
    Charity schools
    Online schools
    Apprenticeships
    Tutoring

    I know there's more, but that's a good start for alternatives.
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  90. syonredux says:
    @syonredux
    Inside the mind of Jeffrey Goldberg:

    For me, the wonder was modern Israel, the greatest wonders being Jews with guns, and not just .22s, but Uzis and M-16s and bigger guns than these, grenade-spitting guns, great barking machine guns. On a bus tour across the Galilee, we drove in the wake of a tank transport, a mammoth truck carrying a deadly Jewish tank. A Jewish tank!And Jewish armored personnel carriers! It was a miracle. Enough of thinking and suffering! Let’s do some shooting!

    Ordinary sights were euphoriants: the cops, all Jewish; soldiers, everywhere—Jewish, swaggering, cool, impervious to abashment. Mean Jews, tough Jews, big Jews, and no gelded, Diaspora Jews in sight, except on my tour bus.
     


    Outside Rachel’s Tomb, in Bethlehem, I took a photo of a soldier; I kept that photo in my desk drawer and looked at it every night, telling myself that one day I would be this soldier.

     


    By the time we came home, I burned with love for Israel. I began this mystic pilgrimage a speck of a Jew, but I emerged utterly different, invested with a mission much larger than myself, larger, certainly, than the quotidian and occasionally terrifying life of a Long Island Jewish boy.

     


    My parents didn’t discourage my zeal. I was given a paperback copy of Exodus, the Leon Uris novel that served as the script notes for my dream life. I identified, body and soul, with the hero of Exodus, Ari Ben Canaan, a Hebrew (not, somehow, Jewish) warrior, brave and cold-eyed, who defended Jewish honor and whose existence itself seemed vengeance enough for the Holocaust. He was smarter than his British foes (not merely cleverer, which would be the trait of a Diaspora Jew). He was smarter, surely, than the Arabs who threatened to suffocate his new country, and he was handsome in a quite obviously non-Jewish way. The freeborn Jew Ben Canaan was very nearly an Übermensch.
     

    The principal American character in Exodus, Kitty Fremont, a nurse giving aid to Holocaust survivors, voices anti-Jewish feelings that Uris suggests hides in the hearts of America’s Christian majority.
     
    http://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/3179/across-the-great-divide

    This is the guy who serves as editor of The Atlantic, the same position that used to be filled by people like James Russell Lowell and William Dean Howells....

    My parents didn’t discourage my zeal. I was given a paperback copy of Exodus, the Leon Uris novel that served as the script notes for my dream life. I identified, body and soul, with the hero of Exodus, Ari Ben Canaan, a Hebrew (not, somehow, Jewish) warrior, brave and cold-eyed, who defended Jewish honor and whose existence itself seemed vengeance enough for the Holocaust. He was smarter than his British foes (not merely cleverer, which would be the trait of a Diaspora Jew). He was smarter, surely, than the Arabs who threatened to suffocate his new country, and he was handsome in a quite obviously non-Jewish way. The freeborn Jew Ben Canaan was very nearly an Übermensch.

    Wonder if little Jeff spent time staring at photos of Paul Newman as Ari Ben Canaan:

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  91. Hannah-Jones cites some interesting statistics.

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.

    My first reaction was, this is nonsense, a non sequitur, pure propaganda. My second reaction is, it’s still nonsense but also interesting in a way.

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    According to the NAACP's website:

    From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.
     
    To summarize, over a period of 86 years:
    4,743 people were lynched in the U.S.
      - 3,446 were black (72.7%)
         ~40 blacks/year
      - 1,297 were white (27.3%)
     nbsp;   ~15 whites/year
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  92. TheBoom says:
    @Bubba
    No one should take anything seriously by the woman who calls herself “The Beyoncé of Journalism.” Everyone knows that blacks are a huge, tremendous economic loss for America. The only moneymakers are the loudmouths in entertainment.

    I wholeheartedly encourage blacks to free themselves of white racism by moving to black countries. Violent crime and social welfare expenditures would plummet and it would be far easier for whites and Asians to feel their children can safely attend urban public schools. The level of competence of government employees would also increase.

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  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    It's not perfectly the same. The Mexicans are thinking like Muslims ("any land we once occupied is still technically ours, and will eventually be reconquered"). The blacks are just beggars. If white communities sent "aid" blacks would be content (except when actively soliciting aid; but their needs would be met and their potential for action beyond whining would be neutralized). If Mexicans got unearned assistance from the US government (as they do now in a dozen ways) they would still move as zealously to "correct" the map.

    The sheer genius of America’s last great president, James K. Polk, was taking the top of Mexico, and not all of it, precisely because it was sparsely settled by Spaniards, and mestizos. The indios, no match for the Plains tribes like the Comanches, could be handled, and they were sparse too.

    The lower part with its high populations of unassimilable and often undesirable people was left alone.

    If the mestizos were all that, they would have populated that area.

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  94. Yan Shen says: • Website

    Okay, here’s a thought experiment. I’ve pointed out that while blacks today excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have historically tended to excel at organized violence and brutality.

    Today, it’s almost certainly the case that a white American should be afraid of a black American more so than the other way around, given the absurdly high rates of black crime in this country. I wonder though how far back we would have to go for it to be rational for an African American to be more afraid of a white American than the other way around? Any guesses?

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  95. Michelle says:

    People of color should just set up alternate methods of education, based upon their life “experiences”, etc. If their alternative universes are valid, then Corporations will jump on them and hire them in droves. Inequality? Solved!

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  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels
    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it's more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.

    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it’s more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.

    Blacks are nothing of the sort. They say what they think whites want to hear when they want to get along and what they don’t when they want confrontation, but left to themselves they are small and spoiled children in adult bodies.

    I’d give them more than a hundred grand apiece, but only if they agree to leave the country and never come back. No reparations without separation.

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    "No reparations without separation."

    This extremely clever phrase ought to be branded into the gray matter of everyone reading here. "Reparations" are, of course, a political wealth transfer racket whereby a whole people, Blacks of 2017, who have suffered no injury whatsoever from being held in servitude as slaves, make claims against a whole people, Whites of 2017, who are completely innocent of enslaving anyone.

    Many good comments here, too many to reply to. I've said much about education and'll just add this brief thought:

    America's zillion dollar experiment in compulsory school "integration" is a failure. Blacks gain nothing from being forced to associate in schools with Whites; Whites, especially the more academically talented, lose by being forced to associate in schools with Blacks.
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  97. bartok says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    Still, I’m trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can’t do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    Today’s status quo is de facto segregation. If you turn off the news, it works pretty great for whites and asians. It’s exactly what you mentioned, a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution.

    The only catch is maybe your kids can’t get into a top college in the new America. Well, extroversion plus intelligence will get you plenty far if you go to a lesser school – just choose a school in a tech/business hub. Manhattan College, Santa Clara U., SUNY Stony Brook, UMass Lowell, San Diego State, etc.

    If you’re introverted, well fuck you. This is America.

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  98. bartok says:
    @Moses
    Jewish men don't date schwartzes. Just doesn't happen.

    Jewish men don’t date schwartzes. Just doesn’t happen.

    They’re far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.

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    They’re far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.
     
    Mrs Krugman is slightly Black-ish

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Robin_Wells_BBF_2010_Shankbone.jpg/1200px-Robin_Wells_BBF_2010_Shankbone.jpg
    , @Moses
    Sure. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.
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  99. @Forbes
    Government schools are a terrible idea. For one thing, it puts taxpayer money into one-size-fits-all government schools with no opportunity for parental control of the education of their own children. Schools should be as free of government control as possible. Vouchers would engender far more parental choice and control for their children's education than the current government monopoly on taxpayer funding which stifles choice and innovation in education.

    You are both right about gov’t schools and vouchers being bad ideas.

    Free market education!

    Catholic schools
    Christian schools
    Homeschooling
    Private schools
    Charity schools
    Online schools
    Apprenticeships
    Tutoring

    I know there’s more, but that’s a good start for alternatives.

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  100. nebulafox says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    In Philly, even black parents have been sending their kids to parochial school for decades, though the family may be AME or African Baptist.

    Everybody knows about the public schools.

    Same story for Igbo Nigerian immigrants in the Washington/Baltimore area. They don’t want anything to do with the ghetto underclass, anymore than other ethnic groups.

    The Indians and Pakistanis who run the liquor stores and mom and pop dry cleaners in inner city Baltimore, leading to whatever semblance of an economy that exists independently of the drug market, plan on fleeing to the suburbs the moment they get enough money, like their Korean and Taiwanese predecessors did. The local politicians are delusional in thinking otherwise. The reason they have to stick it out and run their businesses behind glass doors for years? Well… you guessed it, private schools for the kids.

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  101. Jim says:
    @Henry A
    One of the unnoticed (at least by historians) functions of Jim Crow laws was that it legally codified what Blacks were and weren't permitted to do in civil society and thus made the penalties for such transgressions a criminal matter and less subject to mob justice. As a result lynchings declined. Most of the stats on lynching leave out the really bloody years of the late 1860s and 70s so the decline that coincided with The introduction of Jim Crow goes unnoticed. By the 1930s SouthernBlacks were more likely to be killed by lightning than by lynching. And any Black today under the age of 80 claiming to have lost family members due to lynching is just a liar.

    Yes, the numbers of blacks lynched was always miniscule. Blacks slaughter each other today at horrendous rates and the victims include many children. Virtually all the blacks lynched were young males. Although I’m sure that there were completely innocent blacks who were lynched the overwhelming majority were in fact vicious criminals.

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  102. The same Nikole Hannah-Jones highlighted in this story is the one featured here:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/magazine/choosing-a-school-for-my-daughter-in-a-segregated-city.html?_r=0

    and she is also mentioned in this story featuring progressive celebrity couple Jason Jones and Samantha Bee with their children in a school where “The school’s population is 74 percent white and Asian and 9 percent low-income, in a district that is 43 percent white and Asian and 48 percent poor.”. Jones was active in local politics in fighting changes that would allow more low income students the ability to attend their children’s school:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/06/17/the_upper_west_side_is_new_york_s_latest_school_integration_battleground.html

    https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2016/06/16/latest-upper-west-side-rezoning-battle-renews-debate-over-how-best-to-integrate-schools/

    Later, even a big fact checker site, Snopes, said that the claim that “Samantha Bee’s husband, Jason Jones, is fighting to keep poor people out of the school his children attend.” is false.

    https://www.snopes.com/samantha-bees-husband-school/

    I don’t believe Jason Jones or Samantha Bee would phrase it like that or have any nefarious intentions, but obviously they want their children in a demographically exclusive school, and they don’t like being called out about it. Snopes is basically defending allied progressives from criticism but really doesn’t dispute the core claims. Jason Jones has been adamant about silencing the story and not talking to the media. He knows that he and his wife are being hypocritical and they will lose from any public attention and discussion.

    Normal parents want to put their children in a better school, not an “equal” school. Many poor people benefit from “equality” and “desegregation” programs, simply because it provides direct benefits to them and their families, not out of some abstract moral or philosophical viewpoint.

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  103. syonredux says:
    @bartok

    Jewish men don’t date schwartzes. Just doesn’t happen.
     
    They're far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.

    They’re far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.

    Mrs Krugman is slightly Black-ish

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    Mrs Krugman is slightly Black-ish
     
    She kinda looks like the New Betty Crocker. And better than Eleanor Roosevelt, the only woman in 1945 America that Fortune magazine thought more popular than the old Betty.
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  104. The problem with American education is that white parents keep hoarding all the white children.

    As opposed to British education, where Asian perverts keep hoarding all the white children.

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  105. @syonredux

    They’re far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.
     
    Mrs Krugman is slightly Black-ish

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Robin_Wells_BBF_2010_Shankbone.jpg/1200px-Robin_Wells_BBF_2010_Shankbone.jpg

    Mrs Krugman is slightly Black-ish

    She kinda looks like the New Betty Crocker. And better than Eleanor Roosevelt, the only woman in 1945 America that Fortune magazine thought more popular than the old Betty.

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  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    Hannah-Jones cites some interesting statistics.

    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    My first reaction was, this is nonsense, a non sequitur, pure propaganda. My second reaction is, it's still nonsense but also interesting in a way.

    According to the NAACP’s website:

    From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.

    To summarize, over a period of 86 years:
    4,743 people were lynched in the U.S.
      – 3,446 were black (72.7%)
         ~40 blacks/year
      – 1,297 were white (27.3%)
     nbsp;   ~15 whites/year

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    when gangbangers, or mafioso, or mobs in general kill each other, how is that not the equivalent of lynching? Extrajudicial, targeted, purposeful retribution for an alleged crime.

    I suppose a lot of it could also be called terrorism.
    , @Ron Mexico
    I don't think these numbers include lynchings in the West. Many Hispanics, Chinese and Amerindians were lynched. Let us not forget, too, that Democrats and their terrorist element are responsible for the majority of 4700 lynchings.
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  107. Moses says:
    @bartok

    Jewish men don’t date schwartzes. Just doesn’t happen.
     
    They're far more likely to marry them than gentile men are. For example, Paul Krugman, Ben Horowitz (venture capitalist) and Mr. Kamala Harris.

    Sure. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.

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    You write as though you haven't learned the new relations of "anecdotes" and "data".
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  108. JackOH says:
    @Anonymous

    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it’s more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.
     
    Blacks are nothing of the sort. They say what they think whites want to hear when they want to get along and what they don't when they want confrontation, but left to themselves they are small and spoiled children in adult bodies.

    I'd give them more than a hundred grand apiece, but only if they agree to leave the country and never come back. No reparations without separation.

    “No reparations without separation.”

    This extremely clever phrase ought to be branded into the gray matter of everyone reading here. “Reparations” are, of course, a political wealth transfer racket whereby a whole people, Blacks of 2017, who have suffered no injury whatsoever from being held in servitude as slaves, make claims against a whole people, Whites of 2017, who are completely innocent of enslaving anyone.

    Many good comments here, too many to reply to. I’ve said much about education and’ll just add this brief thought:

    America’s zillion dollar experiment in compulsory school “integration” is a failure. Blacks gain nothing from being forced to associate in schools with Whites; Whites, especially the more academically talented, lose by being forced to associate in schools with Blacks.

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  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses
    Sure. I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too.

    You write as though you haven’t learned the new relations of “anecdotes” and “data”.

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  110. @Anonymous
    According to the NAACP's website:

    From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.
     
    To summarize, over a period of 86 years:
    4,743 people were lynched in the U.S.
      - 3,446 were black (72.7%)
         ~40 blacks/year
      - 1,297 were white (27.3%)
     nbsp;   ~15 whites/year

    when gangbangers, or mafioso, or mobs in general kill each other, how is that not the equivalent of lynching? Extrajudicial, targeted, purposeful retribution for an alleged crime.

    I suppose a lot of it could also be called terrorism.

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    when gangbangers, or mafioso, or mobs in general kill each other, how is that not the equivalent of lynching? Extrajudicial, targeted, purposeful retribution for an alleged crime.

    That sounds like a good point. People have made lynching into something different from other types of retaliatory crime, but there do appear to be similarities between lynching and behaviors by gangbangers, mafioso, or mobs.

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  111. Neoconned says:
    @a reader
    Incidentally, Hannah-Jones and her sister attended almost all-white schools as part of a voluntary program of desegregation busing.

    LoL her mom is a Czech Polack from Iowa.

    She had to throw in that little nugget about the Mississippi Delta, like it’s a resume enhancer or something….the irony being the Mississippi Delta has the HIGHEST RATE of white flight in the entire state of Mississippi and these days is overwhelmingly African American…..doubt she will be moving down soon…. probably stay in Iowa where it’s boring and safe….

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  112. Yngvar says:
    @syonredux

    Are you in the camp of people who say that long-term optimism is premature?

    Nikole Hannah-Jones: I think it has not a lot of basis in historical fact. I would say the arc is actually a circle. It just perpetually turns back on itself.
     

    So, the WOKE view of history isn't progressive, it's cyclical.Good news for Hindus, I suppose....

    Hannah-Jones: I mean, in a country that has set itself apart as a beacon of democracy, the fact that we’re applauding that black folks now have had, for 40 years, full citizenship rights in the country of their birth, in the country of their grandparents’ birth, in the country their great grandparents’ birth—it's just hard to feel a lot of optimism.
     
    Let's see, it's 2017....2017 minus 40 is...1977? Blacks only got "full citizenship rights" in 1977? What happened in 1977? I always thought that the big milestone was the Voting Rights Act of 1965....

    I guess that this is another sign that WOLK-Folk can't really come to grips with the fact that the death-blow to Jim Crow happened over 50 years ago....


    There are more black men killed by police than there were black men lynched in a year.
     
    Seeing as how the average number of lynchings per year is roughly zero, that's an awfully low bar....

    I mean, Germany grappled with what it did in a way that America’s never grappled with what it did. As Ta-Nehisi—who can always out-pessimism me—once said, Germany’s easy because Germany killed all the people it hated.
     
    MMM, someone's never heard of The Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost....

    I write about race from the year 1619. The English landed at Jamestown is 1607. Twelve years later, we have imported Africans to be enslaved and determined that they will be a wholly different caste of people with no legal rights in this country.
     
    All that was decided in 1619? Dunno....based on what I was taught in graduate school, the whole thing was a tad more, shall we say, contingent.....

    Hannah-Jones: Yes, of course. What we were fighting in the South was a national sin. We want to pretend it was a Southern sin, but it was a national sin. We can’t grapple with the South unless we grapple with ourselves.

     

    Wait, I though that we were Hindus....You know, all that talk about the circular nature of time....But now we're back to Christian ideas about Original Sin....

    Hannah-Jones: It is not. Though, equal rights for black Americans has always had to be legislated. It’s never been willingly given. What it would take, if we’re honest, is a fundamental restructuring of society. Our public schools are not broken, but are operating as designed. Our public schools were set up to provide unequal, inadequate education for black children. So that’s what they do.
     

    White communities want neighborhood schools if their neighborhood school is white. If their neighborhood school is black, they want choice. Housing segregation just becomes a convenient excuse. The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

     

    So, the USA is a strictly Black and White country? You know, just like it was in 1965? Good thing to know that Latinx don't exist....

    What they do want is a limited number of black kids in their schools.

     

    Well, if Blacks were distributed evenly across every county in the USA......

    White Americans, in general, are willing to accept about the ratio of black Americans at large: 10 to 15 percent.
     
    Which is about their percentage of the national population....So, if Blacks were evenly distributed across the country....

    Hannah-Jones: Yeah. But what you want is a majority-white school with a small number of black kids and a good number of Latino, a good number of Asian.
     
    Wait, so Latinx and Asians exist...and White Anglos like being around them....

    Goldberg: And it’s the black and Latino kids who are not winning because there’s not enough whites in that sense to go around?

     

    Jeff, she just said that White Anglos are OK with Latinx. Do try to keep up.

    Hannah-Jones: There would be. I hear this all the time: “You can’t integrate schools in York City because there’s not enough white kids.” But that's only based on the premise that you can’t expect white kids to be in the minority. The demographics of the New York City public schools are about 40 percent Latino, almost 30 percent black, 15 percent Asian, 15 percent white. If you picture a classroom like that, that's a beautiful school. That’s a beautifully diverse, integrated school. You could have that if you chose. We just don’t choose it, because we automatically say, “You can’t expect that a white parent will put their kid in school with all those black kids.”

     

    So, spreading Whites kids around so that every school in NY is 15% White is OK? That makes my idea about spreading around Blacks in the USA so that every school would be roughly 12% Black sound pretty good...

    Goldberg: You’ve described something that I actually experienced as a kid in the 70s. I was in a school system growing up that was about 60 percent black, 35 white—the local system right outside New York City. Very unusual. My experience going from kindergarten through 12th grade in that situation was fairly tension-free. People actually got along. There was mixing, there was interracial dating…
     
    Jeff's was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Malverne, Long Island:

    As of the 2010 census the makeup of the village population was 88.4% White 83% Non-Hispanic White, 3.3% African American, 0.16% Native American, 4.2% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.4% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.6% of the population.[11]

    2000 census[edit]
    As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 8,934 people, 3,106 households, and 2,534 families residing in the village. The population density was 8,499.1 people per square mile (3,285.2/km²). There were 3,152 housing units at an average density of 2,998.5 per square mile (1,159.0/km²). The racial makeup of the village was 92.04% White, 1.72% African American, 0.16% Native American, 3.10% Asian, 1.77% from other races, and 1.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.01% of the population.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malverne,_New_York#Demographics


    And, according to Jeff, it was an anti-Jewish hellhole:


    He grew up in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as "a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists," he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, "So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that."[4]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Goldberg

    Goldberg: Because I’m interviewing you and you’re not interviewing me. But yes. My high-school sweetheart for many years was an African-American woman who’s a very delightful person. It was an atmosphere where that could happen without consequence.

     

    And yet you ended up marrying a woman who is not Black........Jeff, perhaps you should read-up on the concept of "revealed preferences".....

    “I’m not saying it is aliens, but it is aliens” spotted in the wild:

    The problem—and I never use the phrase “white supremacy” because it’s a word that people automatically discount as soon as you use it, but that is the problem.

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  113. Elsewhere says:
    @Yan Shen

    African descended people being both far more extraverted on average and having the advantage of lower average IQs to match extraversion and higher levels of violence, create “sexy” men which Heartiste notes is driving European women to proclaim with arms (and legs) wide open “Rapefugees Welcome!” Far better a regime of poverty, violence, and ethnic cleansing than boring beta males is what amounts to female thinking, in between rages at beta males for first raping, then groping, then ogling, then just looking at them.
     
    As I uh previously noted, in contrast to the philosophy of cognitive elitism which I often promote, our good friend Whiskey promotes what might best be described as cocknitive elitism. It's sexy, sexy black men all the way down!

    You laugh at your own post?

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  114. Shaq says:

    From the heart of Silicon Valley. School motto: “Strength in Diversity”

    http://www.mabears.org/

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  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    when gangbangers, or mafioso, or mobs in general kill each other, how is that not the equivalent of lynching? Extrajudicial, targeted, purposeful retribution for an alleged crime.

    I suppose a lot of it could also be called terrorism.

    when gangbangers, or mafioso, or mobs in general kill each other, how is that not the equivalent of lynching? Extrajudicial, targeted, purposeful retribution for an alleged crime.

    That sounds like a good point. People have made lynching into something different from other types of retaliatory crime, but there do appear to be similarities between lynching and behaviors by gangbangers, mafioso, or mobs.

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  116. @Anonymous
    According to the NAACP's website:

    From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.
     
    To summarize, over a period of 86 years:
    4,743 people were lynched in the U.S.
      - 3,446 were black (72.7%)
         ~40 blacks/year
      - 1,297 were white (27.3%)
     nbsp;   ~15 whites/year

    I don’t think these numbers include lynchings in the West. Many Hispanics, Chinese and Amerindians were lynched. Let us not forget, too, that Democrats and their terrorist element are responsible for the majority of 4700 lynchings.

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    The numbers are from the NAACP website, but you might be correct. I'd never heard that Hispanics, Chinese or Amerinds had ever been lynched. But then again, I never had any idea that whites were ever lynched, either.

    My impression had always been that blacks were the only people in the U.S. who had been lynched on any sort of regular basis or in significant numbers.

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  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Mexico
    I don't think these numbers include lynchings in the West. Many Hispanics, Chinese and Amerindians were lynched. Let us not forget, too, that Democrats and their terrorist element are responsible for the majority of 4700 lynchings.

    The numbers are from the NAACP website, but you might be correct. I’d never heard that Hispanics, Chinese or Amerinds had ever been lynched. But then again, I never had any idea that whites were ever lynched, either.

    My impression had always been that blacks were the only people in the U.S. who had been lynched on any sort of regular basis or in significant numbers.

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    Good map, Smithsonian used it in Jan. 2017 issue. http://www.monroeworktoday.org/explore/m/map2/#4.87/48.428/-104.235/-2.8
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  118. Ed says:
    @jack daniels
    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it's more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.

    There is simply no evidence that blacks are social conservatives, none.

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    Having grown up in Detroit and for all practical purposes having been raised by an ( angelic) black lady, a housekeeper hired by my mother as she, my mom, went out daily to do a harder job than the lady at home taking care of us kids.

    And then being active in the music world ( for the most part Jazz) for the last fifty-plus years, and having played/performed with untold numbers of black musicians, and then having shared, between marriages, an apartment with a fellow black musician, I can most definitely state that yes blacks are conservative on societal issues when taken, the issues, individually and this is the dilema : When taken individually.
    When considering the whole of societal problems and causes they then, perplexingly, tend to vote for and support the most "Progressive" of politicians.
    Black males , for example, would most likely never vote a gay politician into office.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz artisit.
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  119. @Anonymous
    The numbers are from the NAACP website, but you might be correct. I'd never heard that Hispanics, Chinese or Amerinds had ever been lynched. But then again, I never had any idea that whites were ever lynched, either.

    My impression had always been that blacks were the only people in the U.S. who had been lynched on any sort of regular basis or in significant numbers.

    Good map, Smithsonian used it in Jan. 2017 issue. http://www.monroeworktoday.org/explore/m/map2/#4.87/48.428/-104.235/-2.8

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    Interesting map, but it doesn't seem to show the almost 1300 white people who were lynched, except for a small number of Italians. I wonder what the reason is for the discrepancy.
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  120. guest says:
    @Laugh Track
    I'm slowly and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that "diverse public schools" are not a workable solution. Too much cultural and behavioral conflict. Too much hand-wringing over disparate outcomes. Of course this leads to questioning the original 60's civil rights goal of across-the-board integration. Maybe, just maybe, that was not a great solution.

    Still, I'm trying to imagine a social solution that would enable society to go back to a peaceful and reasonably segregationist solution. Just can't do it.

    Which leaves us where?

    Why the slowness and reluctance? “Diverse public schools” is prima facie a bizarre notion. Why would you ever believe in it, unless you are one of the lucky few in the margin that can have your kid benefit from being in a better school than they otherwise would’ve been?

    “Which leaves us where?”

    Amidst the coming/ongoing Culture/Race War.

    That’s the cost of Diversity, which I’m told is totally worth it by people who run as fast as they can in the other direction from it when it affects their real lives.

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  121. guest says:
    @jack daniels
    The voice of black America is controlled by the folks who pay for the microphone. Blacks continue to be have very low net worth and their communities have been injured by societal acceptance of counter-culture values. Their job is to vote Democrat. In return they get flowery rhetoric, sinecures, affirmative action, and welfare. Blacks are social conservatives, essentially, and if the GOP matched the Dems on handouts the social progressives would be up the creek. Abortion, gay marriage, open borders, and secularism would be losing positions. The mandarins know this and the white public is easily convinced that it's more important to protect their wallets than their bibles. I wish we would just give every black family in the US $100,000 and declare the debt paid. It would cost several trillion but we could pay for it by a policy of avoiding useless wars.

    Why couldn’t we declare the debt paid without paying them off? Hey, black people have lived amidst American civilization for centuries, and despite a period of servitude, occasional extra-legal executions, and differential protection of the law, it beats the hell out of Africa.

    Anyway, why would they stop pressing their luck with $100,000 in their pockets? We already gave them civil rights, affirmative action, decades of self-flagellation, gross overestimation of their cultural contributions, and their very own black president. (Not of native black stock, and only half-black at that, but no one cared much about that.) And they haven’t let up one bit.

    They’re like the person who is starving and gorges on a sumptuous feast, yet somehow is hungrier at the end than when they started. One week after a Reparations Bonanza they’d be demanding Reparations Part II.

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    Why does forgiveness not play a role in all of the racial craziness of our world? Indulging the holding of an endless grudge seems unsustainable.
    , @Anonymous
    There should be some sort of serious attempt to calculate how much money has already been paid to blacks in retribution for slavery, in the form of affirmative action, welfare, food stamps, public housing, k-12 education, etc.
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  122. Bill B. says:
    @International Jew
    Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog...?

    Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog…?

    Unfortunately Asians don’t do irony very well.

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    This Asian anyway. He seems to have taken my not-so-subtle dig at his logorrhea as a compliment.
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  123. @Ed
    There is simply no evidence that blacks are social conservatives, none.

    Having grown up in Detroit and for all practical purposes having been raised by an ( angelic) black lady, a housekeeper hired by my mother as she, my mom, went out daily to do a harder job than the lady at home taking care of us kids.

    And then being active in the music world ( for the most part Jazz) for the last fifty-plus years, and having played/performed with untold numbers of black musicians, and then having shared, between marriages, an apartment with a fellow black musician, I can most definitely state that yes blacks are conservative on societal issues when taken, the issues, individually and this is the dilema : When taken individually.
    When considering the whole of societal problems and causes they then, perplexingly, tend to vote for and support the most “Progressive” of politicians.
    Black males , for example, would most likely never vote a gay politician into office.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz artisit.

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    I am compelled to correct a grave error in my above posting , namely the statement that attributes the fact that black males are not prone to voting for a gay politician to : conservatism.
    I have committed a huge blunder with this assertion, as I myself, a conservative, I would most definitely vote for a gay person if his/her standpoints and goals coincided with my own.
    The fact that amongst black males there is to found a strong rejection of homosexuality can be traced to other causes, however not to "conservatism" in any manner.

    Authenticjazzman
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    @Ron Mexico
    Good map, Smithsonian used it in Jan. 2017 issue. http://www.monroeworktoday.org/explore/m/map2/#4.87/48.428/-104.235/-2.8

    Interesting map, but it doesn’t seem to show the almost 1300 white people who were lynched, except for a small number of Italians. I wonder what the reason is for the discrepancy.

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    Why couldn't we declare the debt paid without paying them off? Hey, black people have lived amidst American civilization for centuries, and despite a period of servitude, occasional extra-legal executions, and differential protection of the law, it beats the hell out of Africa.

    Anyway, why would they stop pressing their luck with $100,000 in their pockets? We already gave them civil rights, affirmative action, decades of self-flagellation, gross overestimation of their cultural contributions, and their very own black president. (Not of native black stock, and only half-black at that, but no one cared much about that.) And they haven't let up one bit.

    They're like the person who is starving and gorges on a sumptuous feast, yet somehow is hungrier at the end than when they started. One week after a Reparations Bonanza they'd be demanding Reparations Part II.

    Why does forgiveness not play a role in all of the racial craziness of our world? Indulging the holding of an endless grudge seems unsustainable.

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    @guest
    Why couldn't we declare the debt paid without paying them off? Hey, black people have lived amidst American civilization for centuries, and despite a period of servitude, occasional extra-legal executions, and differential protection of the law, it beats the hell out of Africa.

    Anyway, why would they stop pressing their luck with $100,000 in their pockets? We already gave them civil rights, affirmative action, decades of self-flagellation, gross overestimation of their cultural contributions, and their very own black president. (Not of native black stock, and only half-black at that, but no one cared much about that.) And they haven't let up one bit.

    They're like the person who is starving and gorges on a sumptuous feast, yet somehow is hungrier at the end than when they started. One week after a Reparations Bonanza they'd be demanding Reparations Part II.

    There should be some sort of serious attempt to calculate how much money has already been paid to blacks in retribution for slavery, in the form of affirmative action, welfare, food stamps, public housing, k-12 education, etc.

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  127. @Bill B.

    Steve, have you thought of giving Yan Shen equal billing, considering the great volume of posts here by him? The Sailer-Shan Blog…?
     
    Unfortunately Asians don't do irony very well.

    This Asian anyway. He seems to have taken my not-so-subtle dig at his logorrhea as a compliment.

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  128. @Authenticjazzman
    Having grown up in Detroit and for all practical purposes having been raised by an ( angelic) black lady, a housekeeper hired by my mother as she, my mom, went out daily to do a harder job than the lady at home taking care of us kids.

    And then being active in the music world ( for the most part Jazz) for the last fifty-plus years, and having played/performed with untold numbers of black musicians, and then having shared, between marriages, an apartment with a fellow black musician, I can most definitely state that yes blacks are conservative on societal issues when taken, the issues, individually and this is the dilema : When taken individually.
    When considering the whole of societal problems and causes they then, perplexingly, tend to vote for and support the most "Progressive" of politicians.
    Black males , for example, would most likely never vote a gay politician into office.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army Vet, and pro Jazz artisit.

    I am compelled to correct a grave error in my above posting , namely the statement that attributes the fact that black males are not prone to voting for a gay politician to : conservatism.
    I have committed a huge blunder with this assertion, as I myself, a conservative, I would most definitely vote for a gay person if his/her standpoints and goals coincided with my own.
    The fact that amongst black males there is to found a strong rejection of homosexuality can be traced to other causes, however not to “conservatism” in any manner.

    Authenticjazzman

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