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From the New York Times:

Alice Walker: By the Book

Alice Walker is author of the 1982 novel The Color Purple, which Spielberg made into a movie. She gets awarded lots of honorary degrees and lifetime achievement awards.

Dec. 13, 2018

What books are on your nightstand?

“The Road of Lost Innocence,” by Somaly Mam, about child-selling, enslavement and sadistic “sex” trafficking in Cambodia. Bombed-out, psychologically traumatized Cambodia has become a place where even children are seen as commodities and treated worse than never terrorized or subjugated humans can imagine. Mam, a modern heroine who was once a captive herself, rises to protect and save those few young girls that she can. I couldn’t sleep after reading this book. I felt a duty to read it, however, and others like it, to know without forgetting, that for countries devastated by war, often wars “we” cause, or extend by carpet bombing or laying of land mines, the suffering, usually for the most vulnerable, never ends.

Isn’t Somaly Mam kind of a fraud whom Nicholas Kristof promoted? But Alice Walker didn’t get in trouble over that recommendation. Instead, she got in trouble over the following endorsement:

“And the Truth Shall Set You Free,” by David Icke. In Icke’s books there is the whole of existence, on this planet and several others, to think about. A curious person’s dream come true.

Isn’t David Icke the guy who says the Queen of England is a shape-shifting lizard? From Wikipedia:

Icke proposes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons have hijacked the earth and are stopping humanity from realising its true potential.[17] … Icke believes that a genetically modified human/Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, known as the “Babylonian Brotherhood” or the Illuminati, manipulate global events to keep humans in constant fear, so the Archons can feed off the ‘negative energy’ this creates.[17][132] …

His endorsement of the antisemitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in The Robots’ Rebellion and And the Truth Shall Set You Free led his publisher to refuse to publish his books, which were self-published thereafter. …

Icke repeatedly denies he is an anti-Semite, and many of the people Icke has publicly named as reptilian are not Jewish. In 2001, when questioned by Jon Ronson, Icke declared that the Protocols of Zion is evidence not of a Jewish plot but of a reptilian plot. He also said,: “the families in positions of great financial power obsessively interbreed with each other. But I’m not talking about one earth race, Jewish or non-Jewish. I’m talking about a genetic network that operates through all races, this bloodline being a fusion of human and reptilian genes….let me make myself clear: this does not in any way relate to an earth race.”

 
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  1. Steve, are you saying I have more Pokemon Points than Alice Walker?

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Less. Alice Walker seems to be well ahead of the crowd of usual suspects in this regard. - "Can't beat her, no way!"
  2. Colorado baker back in court after refusing to bake a “gender transition” cake.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/colorado-baker-back-court-after-turning-away-transgender-woman-n901041
    If all else fails they can just keep accusing you and then point to the number of accusations as a kind of proof.
    I used to look down on homophobes.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    "I used to look down on homophobes."


    Same here. Though straight, I've partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    No more. Forcing someone to accept your beliefs, in contradiction to their own, in order to destroy and humiliate them as we've seen with the gay wedding cake stories is the very definition of hate and intolerance.

    I'm not quite at the point of wishing homosexuals to be trussed up and thrown off rooftops, Islamic style, but I'm starting to see the Islamic point of view when it comes to them.
    , @stillCARealist
    "I used to look down on homophobes."

    Please explain. The term itself is meaningless.

    Perhaps you mean people who fear the left-wing political power of hate-filled, mentally ill perverts.
  3. Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    What exactly is the relationship among Reptilians, Greys and Shadow People?

    For pure spooky entertainment, few things beat late night drives alone on a desert highway listening to Art Bell take the most insane people seriously. The man had a talent.
    , @rusty shacklefjord
    Art Bell had a great show.
    caller: ".......Art do you think aliens are raising us for food ?"
    , @Anonymous
    Soros certainly looks like a reptile; maybe Icke is on to something.
    , @Fred Boynton
    Whatever you do, don't question why David Icke is considered a thought criminal who's basically an unknown, while Art Bell/George Noury/Coast to Coast are pumped out on over 600 radio stations in U.S., Canada, Australia and Guam, have a huge web presence, are pretty much household names and are considered good goyim.
    , @Anonymous
    Little Little Miss Muffett is a big Icke fan, but then again she also thinks smart meters interfere with her menstrual cycle and feels that the Tarot is the best way to vet (in the British sense) relationships:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5mi7JKW8LM

    As a Covington fan I eagerly await her dissertation on the Prince of Wands.
    , @Anonymous
    Fart Smell was a mediocre broadcaster who rose to fame like Milton Berle: the competition was in essence a test pattern at that time of night.

    Many nights on third shift at an electronics plant I had Fart Smell tuned in on an IFR service monitor (a twenty thousand dollar table radio was what it was good for in that shop since we were 99% digital) while troubleshooting boards and trying to catch someone boogering a soldering iron while the victim was 'on a smoko', as we called them since we had a couple Aussies there.

    There just wasn't anything else on besides Christian radio and crappic rock stations that played the same songs every week on a rotating basis. Since they didn't repeat (if you busted them they'd give you a gift cert for a couple of hundred bucks at the mall if you were the first caller) that meant to fill 10,080 minutes of music minus commercials and news reporting and station IDs they had to play tons of lame prog and biker rock, since anything before 1967, anything Punk, New Wave, or Pop or Rockabilly were all excluded. Bott owned all the Christian stations that didn't sign off after 10 pm. The really whacky Christian stuff that was actually funny was on KAAY Little Rock AM and there was so much RF crap in the shop you could't listen to DX AM even on the outside antenna feed.

    If you had access to TWO service monitors you could put the wideband demod OUT into the RF antenna IN and make a decent subcarrier adapter. We did that on the night when the local reading for the blind station had Adult Hour. They'd have some old woman read pure smut out of "Penthouse Forum" or an erotic novel from the Cumalot (the Camelot theater and adult bookstore) and the effect was ROTFLMAO funny.
  4. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Prominent writer believes inter-dimensional shapeshifting lizards, in conjunction with the Illuminati, are using prominent Jewish families to obtain control over the human race

    Run it through the Bari Weiss, John Podhoretz et al. filter and you get

    Prominent writer is anti-Semitic

    God forbid we ever do get invaded by aliens: our “intelligentsia” will be too busy debating whether the little green men racist/sexist/anti-Jewish/homophobic/transphobic/otherwise “problematic” to notice the giant death ray being pointed at the Capitol.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...the giant death ray being pointed at the Capitol.

     

    That's not a death ray. It's Mother Nature.


    https://media.salon.com/2018/11/hoyer-pelosi.jpg
    https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/bernie-sanders-tops-poll.jpg?crop=900:600&width=1440https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2016%2F06%2Frep-conyers-rep-rangel.jpg&w=800&c=sc&poi=face&q=85
    https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/105427596-1535741028476gettyimages-1025530736.jpeg?v=1535741078&w=740&h=

  5. This is hilarious. Loons are often goalkeepers.

    Icke famously wore purple shell suits, back when he was claiming to be the second coming of Christ, or some such. Maybe that endeared him to Walker.

    But these days is Icke even seen as eccentric? For example, Jack Dorsey recently sent beard clippings to Azealea Banks, to be fashioned into an amulet that wards off Islamic State (although I’m guessing IS is quite pro @jack ).

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    David Icke basically founded his own New Age religion and he holds religious like seminars around the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NapHiWsoFXI
    , @Kratoklastes

    Loons are often goalkeepers
     
    Wayne Rooney's not a goalkeeper, and he sticky-taped what appear to be a bunch of ant legs to his head.
  6. If you like reptile stories, you’ll enjoy Twilight Eyes (1985) by Dean Koontz and the delightful Lizard Music (1976), a juvenile novel by Daniel Pinkwater. The Koontz book has some similarities to Ickes tale, but I don’t want to spoil it. It reads like literary science fiction, which was typical of his books before they turned into something else and I stopped reading them.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    My favourite reptiles in fiction are the evil Chingers in Harry Harrison's Bill, the Galactic Hero. They're tiny and sit inside the heads of human-like robots which they work with levers, causing all sorts of problems for the Empire.

    A bit like the banksters and their minions in the media, then.
  7. Shape shifters who pull the strings in the background , what an absurd idea .

    I prefer Kang and Kodos .

  8. OT – $2,200,000 raised so far for U.S.-Mexico border wall, from 37,500 donors and counting, following Trump cave-in on own campaign centerpiece.

    We The People Will Fund The Wall
    This campaign is trending!

    $2,198,727 of $1.0B goal
    Raised by 37,415 people in 3 days

    Created December 16, 2018

    This GoFundMe is set to take off still further, as the 37-year-old disabled veteran organizer is going on Fox News shows starting Thursday.

    Could they really raise a billion?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Trump should hold off on the wall, and this GoFundMe campaign should back off. Trump should make the Wall the primary 2020 Election issue, and make the Dems come out strongly against the Wall in the run up to the election.

    If the Wall starts getting built now, that removes it from the election, and the Dems will use some other issue, like the economy, especially with the chance of a recession soon.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Instead of putting the money directly toward the wall, they ought to promise to give it to a primary challenger if the wall isn’t fully funded and under construction by the end of 2019.
  9. The lizard thing isn’t as milkable as you assume because it can be seen as a metaphor for cold-bloodedness, in which case it becomes very hard to argue against. Icke by the way comes off as unexpectedly sympathetic and reasonable in Jon Ronson’s excellent Secret Rulers of the World series, which see (along with its sequel, The Crazy Rulers of the World; they had both been on YouTube). The milkable thing about Icke was that he was a footballer who got the standard post-career gig as a sportscaster, and he one day sincerely announced on national television that he was Jesus Christ.
    Imagine being the Les Moonves of that network, sitting in your office going over ratings, and your secretary phones and tells you that the nice ex-jock you hired has decided to interrupt a perfectly secular match to tell everyone that he is Jesus Christ. I mean, you’d want to crucify the son-of-a-whore.

  10. Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    • Replies: @fish

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

     

    Awwww……she looks sad after he lost all that money!


    We should start a "Go Fund Me" for those poor people!
    , @Mike1
    The authorized history of the Rothschilds is available on Amazon. Do yourself a favor and read the books before implying that they are down to their last 170 million.
    They openly owned virtually everything that mattered in fairly recent history.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I think young Nat probably has a few billions more tucked away in Switzerland.

    (His cousin Kate married James Goldsmith's son, three kids, then had an affair with a rapper and left him) .

    "Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books."

    Oh well, that's it then. Proof positive. I wonder who sat down to count?

    , @Trevor H.
    What do you call manspreading when it's done by a high-class call girl?
  11. “The Color Reptile” is hilarious, btw. This time, you were in the zone.

  12. @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    What exactly is the relationship among Reptilians, Greys and Shadow People?

    For pure spooky entertainment, few things beat late night drives alone on a desert highway listening to Art Bell take the most insane people seriously. The man had a talent.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    I took my late night drives with Art Bell in the swamps. The mix of spooky and funny was very enjoyable....and more believable than most talk radio.
    , @Stumpy Pepys
    The only thing more entertaining than listening to the real Art Bell was listening to Phil Hendrie's parody Art Bell show. He only ever had one guest on, General Johnson Jameson, a world class kook "calling in from his bunker complex deep beneath the Saskatchewan crust". Ahh good times.
  13. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    OT - $2,200,000 raised so far for U.S.-Mexico border wall, from 37,500 donors and counting, following Trump cave-in on own campaign centerpiece.

    We The People Will Fund The Wall
    This campaign is trending!

    $2,198,727 of $1.0B goal
    Raised by 37,415 people in 3 days

    Created December 16, 2018
     

    This GoFundMe is set to take off still further, as the 37-year-old disabled veteran organizer is going on Fox News shows starting Thursday.

    Could they really raise a billion?

    Trump should hold off on the wall, and this GoFundMe campaign should back off. Trump should make the Wall the primary 2020 Election issue, and make the Dems come out strongly against the Wall in the run up to the election.

    If the Wall starts getting built now, that removes it from the election, and the Dems will use some other issue, like the economy, especially with the chance of a recession soon.

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.
  14. @Hail
    OT - $2,200,000 raised so far for U.S.-Mexico border wall, from 37,500 donors and counting, following Trump cave-in on own campaign centerpiece.

    We The People Will Fund The Wall
    This campaign is trending!

    $2,198,727 of $1.0B goal
    Raised by 37,415 people in 3 days

    Created December 16, 2018
     

    This GoFundMe is set to take off still further, as the 37-year-old disabled veteran organizer is going on Fox News shows starting Thursday.

    Could they really raise a billion?

    Instead of putting the money directly toward the wall, they ought to promise to give it to a primary challenger if the wall isn’t fully funded and under construction by the end of 2019.

    • Agree: Corn
    • Replies: @Hail
    They are promising to refund all donations is the wall is never built.

    Here is the current strategy:

    How will we get the funds to the right place? We have contacted the Trump Administration to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion. When get this information secured we will update. We have many very high level contacts already helping.

    • 100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall.

    • We are working with a law firm on a legal document that will bind the government to using the funds for the border wall itself, nothing else.

    • We will hold all funds and not release a single penny until we have all legal aspects covered to ensure our money goes only to the wall.

    • If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny.

    LET'S GET THIS WALL BUILT! And make America Safe Again!
     
  15. @Clifford Brown
    What exactly is the relationship among Reptilians, Greys and Shadow People?

    For pure spooky entertainment, few things beat late night drives alone on a desert highway listening to Art Bell take the most insane people seriously. The man had a talent.

    I took my late night drives with Art Bell in the swamps. The mix of spooky and funny was very enjoyable….and more believable than most talk radio.

  16. @jimmyriddle
    This is hilarious. Loons are often goalkeepers.

    Icke famously wore purple shell suits, back when he was claiming to be the second coming of Christ, or some such. Maybe that endeared him to Walker.

    But these days is Icke even seen as eccentric? For example, Jack Dorsey recently sent beard clippings to Azealea Banks, to be fashioned into an amulet that wards off Islamic State (although I'm guessing IS is quite pro @jack ).

    David Icke basically founded his own New Age religion and he holds religious like seminars around the world.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    He kind of looks like the hunk main character from the miniseries V, which was about an alien invasion of reptiles disguised as humans.

    The really are no coincidences!
    , @Captain Tripps
    Love the flashy pastel colored tracksuit jacket. He's missing the gold chains, though.
    , @turtle
    What a hoser.:)
  17. @Dave Pinsen
    Instead of putting the money directly toward the wall, they ought to promise to give it to a primary challenger if the wall isn’t fully funded and under construction by the end of 2019.

    They are promising to refund all donations is the wall is never built.

    Here is the current strategy:

    How will we get the funds to the right place? We have contacted the Trump Administration to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion. When get this information secured we will update. We have many very high level contacts already helping.

    • 100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall.

    • We are working with a law firm on a legal document that will bind the government to using the funds for the border wall itself, nothing else.

    • We will hold all funds and not release a single penny until we have all legal aspects covered to ensure our money goes only to the wall.

    • If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny.

    LET’S GET THIS WALL BUILT! And make America Safe Again!

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Someone else here has pointed out that the funds will be at risk since GoFundMe can seize them for TOS violations insofar as they are promoting anti-immigrant prejudice and hate.

    Meanwhile the Wall is a colossal boondoggle in the making so long as there is no will to defend it. What's more, the next administration will just knock holes in it, to general celebrations in the mass media.

  18. @Anonymous
    Trump should hold off on the wall, and this GoFundMe campaign should back off. Trump should make the Wall the primary 2020 Election issue, and make the Dems come out strongly against the Wall in the run up to the election.

    If the Wall starts getting built now, that removes it from the election, and the Dems will use some other issue, like the economy, especially with the chance of a recession soon.

    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Congress is extremely unpopular. Trump can just blame Congress, including GOP members, for being obstructionist. He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall. Dems will go crazy for open borders as usual.
    , @Simon in London
    Yes. Trump needs to show good faith by beginning the wall. He can then use the threat of cancellation to get votes in 2020.
    , @Seth Largo
    Agree. That's the worst comment in iSteve history.

    Re: Alice Walker . . .

    Toni Morrison is the superior black female writer. That is all.
    , @anon

    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.
     
    does anyone even listen to this stuff though and make their decisions from it?

    i hear these political guys talking about Trump needs to do this or that and then the Democrats and the media are gonna blame him for the shutdown so he needs to avoid that....its all bullshit
  19. Many years ago I saw Alice Walker on Charlie Rose, promoting a film about the horrors FGM (before the left realized that this just was a cultural expression by POCs that we weren’t allowed to criticize).

    At the beginning of the interview, she asked if Charlie has seen the film and he said, “Parts of it, yes.” Almost the entire rest of the interview was her berating him for not watching the whole of this very very important film and him grovelingly apologizing and lamely making excuses about how busy he was.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    He was too busy pinching the rear ends of his female assistants.
  20. @Dave Pinsen
    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    Congress is extremely unpopular. Trump can just blame Congress, including GOP members, for being obstructionist. He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall. Dems will go crazy for open borders as usual.

    • Replies: @Hail

    He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall
     
    Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don't get it.

    Alt-Right YouTube personality Ramzpaul today unironically called for Trump to resign and let Pence take over as President over T's failure to move on immigration.


    President Pence. Kinda has a ring to it!

    Yeah, I’m calling for Donald Trump to step down and resign
     

    , @Iberiano
    Oh please, concern troll...they already have made it clear they are against the Wall, over and over (including Chuck Schumer's recent, public comments). To the degree you are not a troll, but instead just a rollover cuck, running the football backwards, over and over, hoping to get a better position to throw a pass, just lands you in the other team's endzone and sacked.

    Trump has had two years to order the wall constructed, via executive order, military, via shutdowns, whatever. He can deal with lawsuits or whatever later. This was a one-and-possibly-done presidential term for a guy who also is in his 70's. Is there, was there ever, really anything else to lose? It was a now or never--it's not an overstatement. If he cannot do it this term, no president can or ever will (unless it is to lock us in).
    , @Dave Pinsen
    It doesn't matter how unpopular Congress is. Trump won't be running against Congress.
  21. Steve, you are allotted six slots on the Unz main page. Six threads where most of the conversation takes place. This was not worth wasting one of them on.

    Unless this is some sort of backhanded approach to fundraising. I would literally pay to never have to see something like this again.

    • Replies: @Anon
    This was not worth wasting one of them on.

    This is the best kind of stuff. It's hilarious. Another intersectional mash-up or jam.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er206-cGHAo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q2YWcr5nDA
    , @Anonymous
    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won't be called out because of intersectional ranking. How is this not significant? Why should it be ignored?
  22. @Dave Pinsen
    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    Yes. Trump needs to show good faith by beginning the wall. He can then use the threat of cancellation to get votes in 2020.

  23. @Anonymous
    Congress is extremely unpopular. Trump can just blame Congress, including GOP members, for being obstructionist. He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall. Dems will go crazy for open borders as usual.

    He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall

    Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don’t get it.

    Alt-Right YouTube personality Ramzpaul today unironically called for Trump to resign and let Pence take over as President over T’s failure to move on immigration.

    President Pence. Kinda has a ring to it!

    Yeah, I’m calling for Donald Trump to step down and resign

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Dem primary campaigning will get underway in earnest soon. Let them go nuts about the Wall and open borders. Make them look really bad going into the election. Make the Wall an election issue.

    Ramzpaul looks and sounds like a lesbian. His passive aggressive whiny sarcasm schtick got old a long time ago.
    , @South Texas Guy
    "He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall."
    "Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don’t get it."

    I'm guessing firstly it's not in Trump's nature to say he can't get it done. He had to deal (successfully) with city inpsectors, union bosses, minority rights groups, investors, etc. for some many years, he thought this would be more of the same.

    But as far as why not just order the wall built? I'm guessing he's asked, the answer is that it would bite his family in the ass. Jr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared would face legal scrutiny for some bullshit after he left office that would put them in jail for, say, 3-10 years. He wouldn't face anything; the US as of yet doesn't put ex presidents in jail for made up political crimes. Soon, though.

    , @Corn
    Being frustrated with Trump is one thing, but encouraging him to resign so Pence can takeover? Huh?

    I think Pence would be terrible on immigration. I think he’d be like my Republicuck congressman Darin LaHood:

    “Dur hur. 1 or 2 million immigrants a year? That’s A-OK as long as they’re here legally blah blah”
  24. @Clifford Brown
    What exactly is the relationship among Reptilians, Greys and Shadow People?

    For pure spooky entertainment, few things beat late night drives alone on a desert highway listening to Art Bell take the most insane people seriously. The man had a talent.

    The only thing more entertaining than listening to the real Art Bell was listening to Phil Hendrie’s parody Art Bell show. He only ever had one guest on, General Johnson Jameson, a world class kook “calling in from his bunker complex deep beneath the Saskatchewan crust”. Ahh good times.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    That show was the best thing on radio! "I didn't say I sleep naked, I said sometimes I have to let the boys breathe." "You be mackin' on Jesus" "I'm a gay man, and a gay journalist!"
  25. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall
     
    Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don't get it.

    Alt-Right YouTube personality Ramzpaul today unironically called for Trump to resign and let Pence take over as President over T's failure to move on immigration.


    President Pence. Kinda has a ring to it!

    Yeah, I’m calling for Donald Trump to step down and resign
     

    The Dem primary campaigning will get underway in earnest soon. Let them go nuts about the Wall and open borders. Make them look really bad going into the election. Make the Wall an election issue.

    Ramzpaul looks and sounds like a lesbian. His passive aggressive whiny sarcasm schtick got old a long time ago.

  26. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    In the UK, David Icke was best known for presenting the BBC TV soccer results show, which was regularly broadcast at ‘tea-time’ on a Saturday afternoon.

    Also, Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
    Icke claimed that there was great significance in the name ‘Ted Heath’ being an anagram of ‘The Death’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The only way to accuse powerful public figures and get away with it is to call them evil extraterrestrial lizards. Had Icke accused Heath of this, he would have been shut down:

    "Ex-PM Ted Heath 'abused boys as young as 11' as he's set to be linked to 42 claims of paedophile assaults"

    "Former Tory is expected to be linked to 42 claims of paedophile assaults including at least one rape and attacks on boys aged 11 to 15, a source alleged."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/claims-ex-pm-ted-heath-11272008
    , @J.Ross
    It would probably be easier to count the number of Britons who have not suspected that Ted Heath was a pedophile. Icke bringing in lizards and cannibalism looks like a familiar CIA trick, essentially the auction scene from North by Northwest.
    , @Kratoklastes

    Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
     
    Turns out Heath was 'only' a child rapist: almost certainly a child rapist, and probably 'only'.

    Bear in mind how long ago Icke made that claim about Heath, and how recently the evidence about Heath's child-molesting has come out.

    Americans are fucking hopeless at nuance, but maybe - just maybe - Icke's schtick is all about getting some interesting stuff into the societal conversation, without getting sued into the poorhouse.

    So dress up sensible assertions about the political class (reality: they're despicable parasitic vermin who should be eradicated) in cartoonish nonsense ... "The Queen is a shape-shifting lizard who thrives on negative energy". If Betty Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sues, she'll give the story more legs.

    And to put icing on the cake - make a moonbat claim to be a reincarnation of Jesus (or some other fictional character of your choice: personally I would choose Marduk or perhaps the Hochberg Prince).

    Like I've said elsewhere: I'm hyper-cynical about almost everyone in public life - Icke included - so my 'prior' is that Icke's just another bullshit-artist.

    But it's kinda dumb to use Heath as an example of Icke getting it wrong.

    Wiltshire police have said that had Heath still been alive during Operation Conifer, he would have been questioned under caution over at least 7 of the allegations. From "Operation Conifer- Summary Closure Report":


    In the case of seven individual disclosures, if Sir Edward Heath had been alive today, it has been concluded that he would have been interviewed under caution in order to obtain his account in relation to the allegations made against him.
     
    Imagine how certain a bunch of plodders would have to be, to haul in a former Prime Minister about allegations of child-fucking.

    The evidence would have to be "George Pell"-level.

    For those playing at home, Pell's a Catholic kiddie-fucker who thought he would get away with it because of the social power of the institution he was part of: his conviction last week was the subject of the most laughably-incompetent suppression order in the history of any legal system anywhere.

  27. @Anon7
    If you like reptile stories, you’ll enjoy Twilight Eyes (1985) by Dean Koontz and the delightful Lizard Music (1976), a juvenile novel by Daniel Pinkwater. The Koontz book has some similarities to Ickes tale, but I don’t want to spoil it. It reads like literary science fiction, which was typical of his books before they turned into something else and I stopped reading them.

    My favourite reptiles in fiction are the evil Chingers in Harry Harrison’s Bill, the Galactic Hero. They’re tiny and sit inside the heads of human-like robots which they work with levers, causing all sorts of problems for the Empire.

    A bit like the banksters and their minions in the media, then.

  28. @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    Art Bell had a great show.
    caller: “…….Art do you think aliens are raising us for food ?”

    • Replies: @Carol
    Thank god for KGO and KBAP, I was able to avoid Art Bell when driving home from BFE at 3 in the morning all those years.

    I just don't have the kook gene.
  29. @Stumpy Pepys
    The only thing more entertaining than listening to the real Art Bell was listening to Phil Hendrie's parody Art Bell show. He only ever had one guest on, General Johnson Jameson, a world class kook "calling in from his bunker complex deep beneath the Saskatchewan crust". Ahh good times.

    That show was the best thing on radio! “I didn’t say I sleep naked, I said sometimes I have to let the boys breathe.” “You be mackin’ on Jesus” “I’m a gay man, and a gay journalist!”

  30. Looks like Viktor Orban.

  31. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve, you are allotted six slots on the Unz main page. Six threads where most of the conversation takes place. This was not worth wasting one of them on.

    Unless this is some sort of backhanded approach to fundraising. I would literally pay to never have to see something like this again.

    This was not worth wasting one of them on.

    This is the best kind of stuff. It’s hilarious. Another intersectional mash-up or jam.

  32. @Hail

    He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall
     
    Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don't get it.

    Alt-Right YouTube personality Ramzpaul today unironically called for Trump to resign and let Pence take over as President over T's failure to move on immigration.


    President Pence. Kinda has a ring to it!

    Yeah, I’m calling for Donald Trump to step down and resign
     

    “He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall.”
    “Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don’t get it.”

    I’m guessing firstly it’s not in Trump’s nature to say he can’t get it done. He had to deal (successfully) with city inpsectors, union bosses, minority rights groups, investors, etc. for some many years, he thought this would be more of the same.

    But as far as why not just order the wall built? I’m guessing he’s asked, the answer is that it would bite his family in the ass. Jr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared would face legal scrutiny for some bullshit after he left office that would put them in jail for, say, 3-10 years. He wouldn’t face anything; the US as of yet doesn’t put ex presidents in jail for made up political crimes. Soon, though.

  33. @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    Soros certainly looks like a reptile; maybe Icke is on to something.

  34. @Clifford Brown
    David Icke basically founded his own New Age religion and he holds religious like seminars around the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NapHiWsoFXI

    He kind of looks like the hunk main character from the miniseries V, which was about an alien invasion of reptiles disguised as humans.

    The really are no coincidences!

  35. @Clifford Brown
    David Icke basically founded his own New Age religion and he holds religious like seminars around the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NapHiWsoFXI

    Love the flashy pastel colored tracksuit jacket. He’s missing the gold chains, though.

  36. Scoff if you like, but Mr. Icke assures his readers that many hallucinogenic drugs will let you see the lizard people for yourself… which is precisely why they’re illegal.

  37. @Hail
    They are promising to refund all donations is the wall is never built.

    Here is the current strategy:

    How will we get the funds to the right place? We have contacted the Trump Administration to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion. When get this information secured we will update. We have many very high level contacts already helping.

    • 100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall.

    • We are working with a law firm on a legal document that will bind the government to using the funds for the border wall itself, nothing else.

    • We will hold all funds and not release a single penny until we have all legal aspects covered to ensure our money goes only to the wall.

    • If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny.

    LET'S GET THIS WALL BUILT! And make America Safe Again!
     

    Someone else here has pointed out that the funds will be at risk since GoFundMe can seize them for TOS violations insofar as they are promoting anti-immigrant prejudice and hate.

    Meanwhile the Wall is a colossal boondoggle in the making so long as there is no will to defend it. What’s more, the next administration will just knock holes in it, to general celebrations in the mass media.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Now, have I said we should then do nothing? No I haven't. We should revoke birthright citizenship, deport illegals and police the borders with the military.

    It shows you how perverted our national discourse is to realize that people believe the purpose of the military is to bomb and invade small countries on the far side of the globe rather than to defend our nation's borders.

    Oh but they can't be invaders, we're told--they don't have weapons! Well, they don't need weapons now do they. Besides, many find weapons after getting settled. We need to find ours.

    , @Hail
    Surely the Wall is a needed morale 'win' for White America; even if 100% symbolic.
  38. @Trevor H.
    Someone else here has pointed out that the funds will be at risk since GoFundMe can seize them for TOS violations insofar as they are promoting anti-immigrant prejudice and hate.

    Meanwhile the Wall is a colossal boondoggle in the making so long as there is no will to defend it. What's more, the next administration will just knock holes in it, to general celebrations in the mass media.

    Now, have I said we should then do nothing? No I haven’t. We should revoke birthright citizenship, deport illegals and police the borders with the military.

    It shows you how perverted our national discourse is to realize that people believe the purpose of the military is to bomb and invade small countries on the far side of the globe rather than to defend our nation’s borders.

    Oh but they can’t be invaders, we’re told–they don’t have weapons! Well, they don’t need weapons now do they. Besides, many find weapons after getting settled. We need to find ours.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    We should revoke birthright citizenship
     
    Starting when?

    Not 'starting when?' as in "what date should it be legislated and implemented": rather "which generation of 'anchor [great-great-grand-]babies' should be denied the right to live on the land mass".

    I reckon there are still some Wampanoag around the place - they might opt for a cutoff date of about 1620.

    They might be on board with the idea: if your parents weren't in-country by that date, you ought to sling your fucking hook.

    Apache, Cree, Blackfoot, Paiute and others might settle for some time in the mid-late 19th century; the Lakota and Arapaho would definitely want a date before 1851.

    But y'know - details can be worked out later.

    The idea is solid AF - and it would also leave the Redskins with a bunch of half-functional infrastructure as partial compensation for getting all their shit stolen.

    I do envisage some pushback from Western Europe, though: the last thing they want is a bunch of Yanks turning up on their doorstep, with their insistence on weak piss-flavoured beer, shit coffee and syrup on bacon.

  39. Born too late to discover new worlds,
    Born too early to merge with computers,
    Born just in time to please our lizard overlords.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Google hits for "Born just in time to please our lizard overlords": Zero.

    Google suggestion:

    Did you mean: "Born just in time to please your lizard overlords."
     
    LOL.
  40. A strong old woman of color is wiser then any dumb white man. Science proves this. Plus watch any movie…. the old woman of color is smartest! We celebrate the fantasy birth of a dead sorcerer (Jeebus) next week. Meanwhile you racists dismiss the most lovey and powerful kind of person ever, old women of color.

  41. @rusty shacklefjord
    Art Bell had a great show.
    caller: ".......Art do you think aliens are raising us for food ?"

    Thank god for KGO and KBAP, I was able to avoid Art Bell when driving home from BFE at 3 in the morning all those years.

    I just don’t have the kook gene.

  42. Gosh, it’s almost as if some of the recent geniuses pushed by the Left aren’t all that smart.

  43. The most entertaining and least informative book reviews to read on amazon are of David Icke books.

  44. @Lot
    Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/23/3367843400000578-0-image-a-17_1461363677526.jpg

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    Awwww……she looks sad after he lost all that money!

    We should start a “Go Fund Me” for those poor people!

  45. @J.Ross
    Colorado baker back in court after refusing to bake a "gender transition" cake.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/colorado-baker-back-court-after-turning-away-transgender-woman-n901041
    If all else fails they can just keep accusing you and then point to the number of accusations as a kind of proof.
    I used to look down on homophobes.

    “I used to look down on homophobes.”

    Same here. Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    No more. Forcing someone to accept your beliefs, in contradiction to their own, in order to destroy and humiliate them as we’ve seen with the gay wedding cake stories is the very definition of hate and intolerance.

    I’m not quite at the point of wishing homosexuals to be trussed up and thrown off rooftops, Islamic style, but I’m starting to see the Islamic point of view when it comes to them.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I've said it before and unfortunately I'm sure I'll have occasion to say it again, but the Islamic point of view is looking better and better.
    , @Anonymous

    Same here. Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.
     
    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people. At a fundamental level you have the defective brain of a leftist, not a normal healthy one.
    , @Wilkey
    The tack they've taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color. So for example when Bruce Jenner decided he was a woman his gender retroactively applied to all of his biography, including the part where "she" won the men's Olympic Decathlon and presumably when "she" got married to a woman. Because he...er, she... didn't choose to be a woman. In their view he always was a woman. Not sure if that invalidates his marriages, which occurred when gay marriage was illegal, and his gold medal. Since "she" was participating in a men's decathlon perhaps the IOC should take back "her" gold medal.

    But I digress. The point is that in their view being gay is not a choice, so to object to it based on religious beliefs or for any other reason is not a right. That is why the next part of the agenda is to stamp out any and all objection, even religious ones, to homosexuality, since it is not a choice.

    Personally I don't think it's a choice, either, nor do I really object to it. But most religions believe that it is God's will to channel human sexuality in various ways. They don't just ban sodomy. Many of them are also opposed to incest, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, polygamy, bestiality, and quite a few other things. The limits for straight people aren't much easier than those for gays, so it's hardly quite the same thing.
  46. Ah, The Color Purple. I think that was the first movie I ever saw in Brazil, in 1986. In a local newspaper’s cinema listings it was described simply as Melodrama, and that was exactly right. I went only because I was soaking up local culture, but I could not figure out the appeal of this movie, to anybody. I have at last concluded that foreigners will peer through ANY window on American culture. From the subtitles I learned, then forgot, the Portuguese for “caboose,” something I have in fact never seen anywhere in Brazil.

    Yesterday for another thread I had composed a post that began “Ah, Red Dawn” and maybe I’ll follow through on it here. I never did see that movie, but one day in 1984 I was on the campus of the University of Manitoba and happened to read a review in the school newspaper. I recall the phrase “‘Red Dawn’ is a disgusting movie” – the writer was infuriated that anyone could be so disrespectful of the U.S.S.R. I think it was in this very same newspaper that I first came across the phrase “Ronald Raygun.” I wouldn’t call any of this particularly Canadian, or particularly collegiate. Lots of people were like this.

    Well, I enjoy iSteve posts that set me off on these tangents. I was pleased yesterday to see my check for $99.99 has been cashed – Merry Christmas! I now return this thread to the people who post multiple times on all threads. I suppose if I “unignored” their comments, I might find out what THEY donate. But…nah!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Ah, The Color Purple. I think that was the first movie I ever saw in Brazil, in 1986. In a local newspaper’s cinema listings it was described simply as Melodrama, and that was exactly right. I went only because I was soaking up local culture, but I could not figure out the appeal of this movie, to anybody. I have at last concluded that foreigners will peer through ANY window on American culture. From the subtitles I learned, then forgot, the Portuguese for “caboose,” something I have in fact never seen anywhere in Brazil.
     
    Cabooses (cabeese?) are not used anywhere that I know of today, replaced by the FRED or ETD, a small box bolted to the last car on the train.

    Brazil deliberately engineered their railroads with an odd gauge to make train travel between Brazil and anywhere else impossible. They changed the gauge just enough that three rail track for interchanges is not possible.

    I'm guessing they value being Lusitanic and not Hispanic more than they value the economic benefit of trade.
  47. I saw The Colored People when it came out at a theater in Chapel Hill. It was filmed partly in Anson County, not too far from where my ancestors hale. Lew Alcindor’s mother also came from there.

    The crowd was a mixed college town crowd. When Shug kisses Celie (Whoopi Goldberg), many of the black girls started screaming and there was a shout of “oooh dat nasty!” Indeed.

  48. @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    Whatever you do, don’t question why David Icke is considered a thought criminal who’s basically an unknown, while Art Bell/George Noury/Coast to Coast are pumped out on over 600 radio stations in U.S., Canada, Australia and Guam, have a huge web presence, are pretty much household names and are considered good goyim.

  49. @Hail

    He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall
     
    Then why has he not done this? Why so little movement on what we voted him in to do? Count me among the many who don't get it.

    Alt-Right YouTube personality Ramzpaul today unironically called for Trump to resign and let Pence take over as President over T's failure to move on immigration.


    President Pence. Kinda has a ring to it!

    Yeah, I’m calling for Donald Trump to step down and resign
     

    Being frustrated with Trump is one thing, but encouraging him to resign so Pence can takeover? Huh?

    I think Pence would be terrible on immigration. I think he’d be like my Republicuck congressman Darin LaHood:

    “Dur hur. 1 or 2 million immigrants a year? That’s A-OK as long as they’re here legally blah blah”

    • Replies: @Hail
    Ramzpaul has walked back his call for a Nixon-Ford-esque handoff-then-pardon play:

    Have you ever been in a relationship that you know is toxic, you got the reasons you need to get out of it, and you're all ready to go, you have your breakup speech, and then she does something so damn cute that you fall right back into it? Yeah that's what Trump did to me.

    I had my whole breakup speech. I did a video about it [less than 24 hours earlier]: "I'm tired of him; he didn't follow through on the wall; he needs to resign; let's just put Mike Pence in." And then, he did this:

    [Plays Trump "We're bringing troops home from Syria" twitter video]
     
  50. Given how closely associated Oprah Winfrey is to Alice Walker and The Color Purple how is she not even being mentioned here or in the press as being associated to a bad goyim, if not as a bad goyim herself?

    • Replies: @JunkerJorg412
    Recently at Aretha Franklin's funeral Bill Clinton and a host of other Democrat luminaries were seated by Louis Farraakhan.

    Nary a peep of condemnation. Also the liberal party in Great Britain is becoming increasingly critical of Jews.

    Soviet-style anti-Zionism may be returning....
  51. @Lot
    Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/23/3367843400000578-0-image-a-17_1461363677526.jpg

    The authorized history of the Rothschilds is available on Amazon. Do yourself a favor and read the books before implying that they are down to their last 170 million.
    They openly owned virtually everything that mattered in fairly recent history.

    • Replies: @Lot
    No, just that one member. His father will probably leave him more.

    Still, quite the screwup to lose 83% of a billion pound fortune.
  52. I was a freshman undergraduate when The Color Purple came out, and some left-wing female English professor assigned it to us. I remember her making a very big deal out of it. When I read it I distinctly recall being stunned at how bad it was. I had been widely read as a kid, and had mastered some pretty challenging literature even in grade school, and I thought “This is college material?” The book was about Negroes in some shack getting sexually molested… at age eighteen I wondered “Why in the hell are we reading this?

  53. @Lot
    Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/23/3367843400000578-0-image-a-17_1461363677526.jpg

    I think young Nat probably has a few billions more tucked away in Switzerland.

    (His cousin Kate married James Goldsmith’s son, three kids, then had an affair with a rapper and left him) .

    “Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.”

    Oh well, that’s it then. Proof positive. I wonder who sat down to count?

  54. @Intelligent Dasein
    Steve, you are allotted six slots on the Unz main page. Six threads where most of the conversation takes place. This was not worth wasting one of them on.

    Unless this is some sort of backhanded approach to fundraising. I would literally pay to never have to see something like this again.

    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won’t be called out because of intersectional ranking. How is this not significant? Why should it be ignored?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Why should it be ignored?
     
    The David Icke stuff, that's why.

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.
    , @academic gossip

    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won’t be called out because of intersectional ranking.
     
    The Emperor's New Scales.
  55. @Jan Banan
    Many years ago I saw Alice Walker on Charlie Rose, promoting a film about the horrors FGM (before the left realized that this just was a cultural expression by POCs that we weren't allowed to criticize).

    At the beginning of the interview, she asked if Charlie has seen the film and he said, "Parts of it, yes." Almost the entire rest of the interview was her berating him for not watching the whole of this very very important film and him grovelingly apologizing and lamely making excuses about how busy he was.

    He was too busy pinching the rear ends of his female assistants.

  56. @J.Ross
    Colorado baker back in court after refusing to bake a "gender transition" cake.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/colorado-baker-back-court-after-turning-away-transgender-woman-n901041
    If all else fails they can just keep accusing you and then point to the number of accusations as a kind of proof.
    I used to look down on homophobes.

    “I used to look down on homophobes.”

    Please explain. The term itself is meaningless.

    Perhaps you mean people who fear the left-wing political power of hate-filled, mentally ill perverts.

    • Replies: @Marty
    Yeah, as I've said before, ignoring the denigration of "anecdote" I took as true and representative one gay guy's 10-item list "The Gay Agenda," posted in Boalt Hall in 1991. The last item was, "to turn western civilization inside out!"
  57. The original Tablet article drawing attention to Walker’s statement is hilariously mendacious. The words ‘alien,’ ‘reptile’ and ‘reptilian’ do not appear at any point. Reading it you have absolutely no idea what Icke actually claims. Inattentive readers probably just assume he’s claiming the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is simply authentic and accurate, but feels a need to hedge and mask his intentions a bit. If they did explain his theories too many readers would understand the real reason Walker was not pressed on recommending the book: her recommendation reveals not that she is an anti-semite, but that she is an utter moron. The readers might also grasp that when someone claims that shapeshifting aliens are running the world, the key point is not that some of these aliens are posing as Jews.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    The original Tablet article drawing attention to Walker’s statement is hilariously mendacious
     
    @Tiny Duck - you should be excoriating this obvious example of flagrant antisemitism: it (antisemitically) asserts the (antisemitic) notion that Tablet has some sort of obligation to present facts in a way that doesn't distort them through a specifically philosemitic lens.

    What's next? The ovens? Zyklon B?

    HAIL KEK!!
  58. Alice Walker’s ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Alice Walker’s ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.
     
    Why is it always a black-Jewish progeny and never a jack-bluish progeny? I think the jack-blues might be the solution to problems like a cure for cancer, showing P does not equal NP, making buttered toast land buttered side up when you drop it - you know, the really important stuff.
    , @Kyle
    Suddenly the publishing hype and the Spielberg movie tie in start to make more sense.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    She has a black/Jewish daughter.
     
    Is she Bluish? We may have a match for her.


    https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5518/11864180455_ecd0ac9f35_b.jpg
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Many years ago I read an article about Walker’s bi-racial daughter. They’re estranged, I believe. The daughter said something about how whenever she’d get in a fight with her mother, her mother would always insult her for being half-white.
  59. @Anonymous
    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won't be called out because of intersectional ranking. How is this not significant? Why should it be ignored?

    Why should it be ignored?

    The David Icke stuff, that’s why.

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.
     
    Is Icke really that offensive?

    Bill Kristol's neocon agitprop provided much of the impetus for Irak Attak II - a war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Despite the recent failure of his toilet-paper-substitute political rag, he's not backing down - among other things, he's been suggesting that going to war with China is a really good idea. He's literally dangerous - he has personally influenced government officials to take actions that have brought about widespread death, destruction, and deprivation.

    Should Steve stop writing about him, as well? Because he sure as hell doesn't deserve any publicity, either.
  60. @Trevor H.
    Someone else here has pointed out that the funds will be at risk since GoFundMe can seize them for TOS violations insofar as they are promoting anti-immigrant prejudice and hate.

    Meanwhile the Wall is a colossal boondoggle in the making so long as there is no will to defend it. What's more, the next administration will just knock holes in it, to general celebrations in the mass media.

    Surely the Wall is a needed morale ‘win’ for White America; even if 100% symbolic.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Understood, but that is a very expensive morale boost. Better it should be cost-effective as well, like the high-tech versions which have been proposed.

    A certain amount of earthworks and razor ribbon, sure, but also some lasers, radar, video monitoring, motion detection, drones and so on. We have the technology; it would be a shame not to use it.

  61. @insertnamehere
    Born too late to discover new worlds,
    Born too early to merge with computers,
    Born just in time to please our lizard overlords.

    Google hits for “Born just in time to please our lizard overlords”: Zero.

    Google suggestion:

    Did you mean: “Born just in time to please your lizard overlords.”

    LOL.

  62. @Corn
    Being frustrated with Trump is one thing, but encouraging him to resign so Pence can takeover? Huh?

    I think Pence would be terrible on immigration. I think he’d be like my Republicuck congressman Darin LaHood:

    “Dur hur. 1 or 2 million immigrants a year? That’s A-OK as long as they’re here legally blah blah”

    Ramzpaul has walked back his call for a Nixon-Ford-esque handoff-then-pardon play:

    Have you ever been in a relationship that you know is toxic, you got the reasons you need to get out of it, and you’re all ready to go, you have your breakup speech, and then she does something so damn cute that you fall right back into it? Yeah that’s what Trump did to me.

    I had my whole breakup speech. I did a video about it [less than 24 hours earlier]: “I’m tired of him; he didn’t follow through on the wall; he needs to resign; let’s just put Mike Pence in.” And then, he did this:

    [Plays Trump “We’re bringing troops home from Syria” twitter video]

  63. @Anonymous

    Prominent writer believes inter-dimensional shapeshifting lizards, in conjunction with the Illuminati, are using prominent Jewish families to obtain control over the human race
     
    Run it through the Bari Weiss, John Podhoretz et al. filter and you get

    Prominent writer is anti-Semitic
     
    God forbid we ever do get invaded by aliens: our "intelligentsia" will be too busy debating whether the little green men racist/sexist/anti-Jewish/homophobic/transphobic/otherwise "problematic" to notice the giant death ray being pointed at the Capitol.
  64. @Fred Boynton
    Given how closely associated Oprah Winfrey is to Alice Walker and The Color Purple how is she not even being mentioned here or in the press as being associated to a bad goyim, if not as a bad goyim herself?

    Recently at Aretha Franklin’s funeral Bill Clinton and a host of other Democrat luminaries were seated by Louis Farraakhan.

    Nary a peep of condemnation. Also the liberal party in Great Britain is becoming increasingly critical of Jews.

    Soviet-style anti-Zionism may be returning….

  65. I seem to recall this is the volume in which Rebecca Walker slices her mother to ribbons.

    The trouble with Rebecca Walker is that the matrix in which she’s lived has encouraged self-obsession and ample, but unproductive, introspection. Her mother owns that to some extent.

    As for her mother, it’s a reasonable wager she’s another example of the Maya Angelou phenomenon. Angelou grew into a ludicrous figure hopelessly disoriented (or a consummate cynic) consequent to witless praise. She was an entertainer (one might guess a capable one) who took up avocational writing in middle age (in the company of some pals who were figures in the black intelligentsia) and discovered (perhaps to her surprise) that people wanted to publish the stuff and shower her with accolades. (See John Derbyshire’s assessments of her public poetry. The critiques are quite accessible (and cogent) to those of us who’ve never made a disciplined study of poetry). In re Walker, see the assessments of her fiction by Stanley Crouch and James Wolcott (“Temple of my Familiar is about the nuttiest book I’ve ever read….”). Alice Walker is 74. Maybe her generation passes away and then we’ll be free of this humbug.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Hang on. Walker's daughter wrote the "Autobiography of a Shifting Self" !

    David Icke has been right all along !
  66. More proof: Our ruling class is an in-bred aristocracy gradually getting more and more idiotic. I think the whole post war breeding experiment of having college educated marry college educated is not working out. We may have gained a few IQ points but the result is certainly mentally defective. Someone who recommended a book about lizard men running our world is considered a person of note, whose opinion matters, by our “elite” opinion makers. Of course the recent NYT op-ed calling for the destruction of the entire human race in order to avoid global warming may top even this.

  67. @stillCARealist
    "I used to look down on homophobes."

    Please explain. The term itself is meaningless.

    Perhaps you mean people who fear the left-wing political power of hate-filled, mentally ill perverts.

    Yeah, as I’ve said before, ignoring the denigration of “anecdote” I took as true and representative one gay guy’s 10-item list “The Gay Agenda,” posted in Boalt Hall in 1991. The last item was, “to turn western civilization inside out!”

  68. @Dave Pinsen
    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    Agree. That’s the worst comment in iSteve history.

    Re: Alice Walker . . .

    Toni Morrison is the superior black female writer. That is all.

  69. Anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:

    For a great insight to the cosmopolitan-secular Jewish obsession with “dog whistling” and “Aesopian language” read the chapters on Icke in Jon Ronson’s book “Them.” He tries to get various ADL types to explain how the lizard conspiracy is functionally anti-Semitic in the mind of somebody who takes it to be about 12′ tall lizards.

  70. @International Jew
    Steve, are you saying I have more Pokemon Points than Alice Walker?

    Less. Alice Walker seems to be well ahead of the crowd of usual suspects in this regard. – “Can’t beat her, no way!”

  71. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    In the UK, David Icke was best known for presenting the BBC TV soccer results show, which was regularly broadcast at 'tea-time' on a Saturday afternoon.


    Also, Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
    Icke claimed that there was great significance in the name 'Ted Heath' being an anagram of 'The Death'.

    The only way to accuse powerful public figures and get away with it is to call them evil extraterrestrial lizards. Had Icke accused Heath of this, he would have been shut down:

    “Ex-PM Ted Heath ‘abused boys as young as 11’ as he’s set to be linked to 42 claims of paedophile assaults”

    “Former Tory is expected to be linked to 42 claims of paedophile assaults including at least one rape and attacks on boys aged 11 to 15, a source alleged.”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/claims-ex-pm-ted-heath-11272008

  72. @Art Deco
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009IELKE4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

    I seem to recall this is the volume in which Rebecca Walker slices her mother to ribbons.


    The trouble with Rebecca Walker is that the matrix in which she's lived has encouraged self-obsession and ample, but unproductive, introspection. Her mother owns that to some extent.


    As for her mother, it's a reasonable wager she's another example of the Maya Angelou phenomenon. Angelou grew into a ludicrous figure hopelessly disoriented (or a consummate cynic) consequent to witless praise. She was an entertainer (one might guess a capable one) who took up avocational writing in middle age (in the company of some pals who were figures in the black intelligentsia) and discovered (perhaps to her surprise) that people wanted to publish the stuff and shower her with accolades. (See John Derbyshire's assessments of her public poetry. The critiques are quite accessible (and cogent) to those of us who've never made a disciplined study of poetry). In re Walker, see the assessments of her fiction by Stanley Crouch and James Wolcott ("Temple of my Familiar is about the nuttiest book I've ever read...."). Alice Walker is 74. Maybe her generation passes away and then we'll be free of this humbug.

    Hang on. Walker’s daughter wrote the “Autobiography of a Shifting Self” !

    David Icke has been right all along !

  73. There is an old miniseries called V wherein Earth is infiltrated by an extraterrestrial reptilitian race disguised in human form. Is this dangerously suggestive anti-Semitic show? Actually, according to Wikipedia, the series is “an allegory on Nazi fascism.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(1983_miniseries)

  74. Speaking of “mainstream-for-its-subculture conspiracy theory” like Icke, the bestselling Bloodlines of the Illuminati is pure iSteviness: those who rule are, simply enough, the children of those who ruled, and the descendents of those who had ruled. The European ruling class (insofar as it did not kill itself, fail to conceive, or flee to India) manifests quietly in the modern era as the ultimate vindication of fraudster Robert Kiyosaki.

  75. It is kind of funny that Oprah Winfrey already came out as a lesbian years before the rumors, and nobody picked up on it for pretty much the same reason Jerry Seinfeld couldn’t give specific details about another Spielberg didactic epic (which is brainlessly enough being re-released).

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Oprah Winfrey already came out as a lesbian years before the rumors
     
    Wasn't there some man interest named Steadman, or Stedman, or Steddman? Was he just the window trimming?

    Inquiring minds want to know (tm)
  76. @Anonymous
    In the UK, David Icke was best known for presenting the BBC TV soccer results show, which was regularly broadcast at 'tea-time' on a Saturday afternoon.


    Also, Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
    Icke claimed that there was great significance in the name 'Ted Heath' being an anagram of 'The Death'.

    It would probably be easier to count the number of Britons who have not suspected that Ted Heath was a pedophile. Icke bringing in lizards and cannibalism looks like a familiar CIA trick, essentially the auction scene from North by Northwest.

  77. There seems to be a growing intolerance for conspiracy and oddball theories. Stuff that would have just been ignored or laughed off in the past.

    NBA player Kyrie Irving has apparently suggested he believes in a flat Earth. And Steph Curry apparently thinks we didn’t land on the Moon.

    Curry’s comments were called “irresponsible” by ESPN’s Max Kellerman. On “Pardon The Interruption,” Tony Kornheiser declared “it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier.”

    Oy!

    “When people believe [flat Earth or moon landing conspiracies], they believe the other things that are more important like climate change not being real or vaccines and 9/11 being a conspiracy theory,” Kelly told Curry during an Instagram chat between the two.

    https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/12/18/famed-flat-earther-kyrie-irving-gets-pointed-about-steph-curry

    • Replies: @anon

    Curry’s comments were called “irresponsible” by ESPN’s Max Kellerman. On “Pardon The Interruption,” Tony Kornheiser declared “it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier.”
     
    uh oh, even the schwartzes are questioning the narrative
  78. @jimmyriddle
    This is hilarious. Loons are often goalkeepers.

    Icke famously wore purple shell suits, back when he was claiming to be the second coming of Christ, or some such. Maybe that endeared him to Walker.

    But these days is Icke even seen as eccentric? For example, Jack Dorsey recently sent beard clippings to Azealea Banks, to be fashioned into an amulet that wards off Islamic State (although I'm guessing IS is quite pro @jack ).

    Loons are often goalkeepers

    Wayne Rooney’s not a goalkeeper, and he sticky-taped what appear to be a bunch of ant legs to his head.

  79. @Johnny Smoggins
    "I used to look down on homophobes."


    Same here. Though straight, I've partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    No more. Forcing someone to accept your beliefs, in contradiction to their own, in order to destroy and humiliate them as we've seen with the gay wedding cake stories is the very definition of hate and intolerance.

    I'm not quite at the point of wishing homosexuals to be trussed up and thrown off rooftops, Islamic style, but I'm starting to see the Islamic point of view when it comes to them.

    I’ve said it before and unfortunately I’m sure I’ll have occasion to say it again, but the Islamic point of view is looking better and better.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  80. @Anonymous
    In the UK, David Icke was best known for presenting the BBC TV soccer results show, which was regularly broadcast at 'tea-time' on a Saturday afternoon.


    Also, Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
    Icke claimed that there was great significance in the name 'Ted Heath' being an anagram of 'The Death'.

    Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.

    Turns out Heath was ‘only’ a child rapist: almost certainly a child rapist, and probably ‘only’.

    Bear in mind how long ago Icke made that claim about Heath, and how recently the evidence about Heath’s child-molesting has come out.

    Americans are fucking hopeless at nuance, but maybe – just maybe – Icke’s schtick is all about getting some interesting stuff into the societal conversation, without getting sued into the poorhouse.

    So dress up sensible assertions about the political class (reality: they’re despicable parasitic vermin who should be eradicated) in cartoonish nonsense … “The Queen is a shape-shifting lizard who thrives on negative energy“. If Betty Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sues, she’ll give the story more legs.

    And to put icing on the cake – make a moonbat claim to be a reincarnation of Jesus (or some other fictional character of your choice: personally I would choose Marduk or perhaps the Hochberg Prince).

    Like I’ve said elsewhere: I’m hyper-cynical about almost everyone in public life – Icke included – so my ‘prior’ is that Icke’s just another bullshit-artist.

    But it’s kinda dumb to use Heath as an example of Icke getting it wrong.

    Wiltshire police have said that had Heath still been alive during Operation Conifer, he would have been questioned under caution over at least 7 of the allegations. From “Operation Conifer- Summary Closure Report”:

    In the case of seven individual disclosures, if Sir Edward Heath had been alive today, it has been concluded that he would have been interviewed under caution in order to obtain his account in relation to the allegations made against him.

    Imagine how certain a bunch of plodders would have to be, to haul in a former Prime Minister about allegations of child-fucking.

    The evidence would have to be “George Pell”-level.

    For those playing at home, Pell’s a Catholic kiddie-fucker who thought he would get away with it because of the social power of the institution he was part of: his conviction last week was the subject of the most laughably-incompetent suppression order in the history of any legal system anywhere.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'Noncery' aside, I have always found Ted Heath a fascinating character - the UK Prime Minister in power during a tremendous period of national upheaval, strife and change.

    Heath and not Thatcher is the *key* post 1945 UK PM. His brief reign largely defines the modern UK.

    One of my strongest memories of that era is Slade's 1973 hit 'Merry Christmas' - played incessantly now as then. It's release coincided with the culmination of many distinct economic crises in the UK, the coal strike - and power cuts - the Arab oil embargo, raging inflation, and a worldwide commodity price explosion. Very rough times. Incidentally, this is why I scoff at all the prophecies of doom bandied about because of 'hard' brexit.
  81. “Isn’t Somaly Mam kind of a fraud whom Nicholas Kristof promoted?”

    Somaly Mam
    Greg Mortenson (Three Cups of Tea)
    Ishmael Beah (A Long Way Gone)
    Malala Yousafzai (maybe)
    etc.

    At this point, maybe it is safer just to assume that these Third World Redemption stories are hoaxes until proven otherwise. Sorta like with prominent “hate crimes”.

    Now if only we had a catchy phrase for Third World Redemption Story Hoax…

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    maybe it is safer just to assume that these Third World Redemption stories are hoaxes until proven otherwise
     
    Sounds antisemitic to me: you're inciting a skeptical attitude to riveting, harrowing first-person narratives of survival against the odds, personal redemption and such like.

    The ADL is on to you, you monster.

    Repeat after the hive-mind:

    Certain things are true though they didn't happen.
     
  82. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    "I used to look down on homophobes."


    Same here. Though straight, I've partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    No more. Forcing someone to accept your beliefs, in contradiction to their own, in order to destroy and humiliate them as we've seen with the gay wedding cake stories is the very definition of hate and intolerance.

    I'm not quite at the point of wishing homosexuals to be trussed up and thrown off rooftops, Islamic style, but I'm starting to see the Islamic point of view when it comes to them.

    Same here. Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people. At a fundamental level you have the defective brain of a leftist, not a normal healthy one.

    • Replies: @dfordoom


    Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.
     
    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people.
     
    Unfortunately what you've said does seem to be true of a lot of right-wingers, including a disturbingly high proportion of the alt-right. Look at the worship of Milo.

    They want to defend the core values of western civilisation from those nasty Muslims and non-whites but they see the core values of western civilisation as being feminism, pornography, sodomy, homosexual marriage ands recognising men in frocks as women.

    If that's western civilisation then let it burn.
  83. @Trevor H.
    Now, have I said we should then do nothing? No I haven't. We should revoke birthright citizenship, deport illegals and police the borders with the military.

    It shows you how perverted our national discourse is to realize that people believe the purpose of the military is to bomb and invade small countries on the far side of the globe rather than to defend our nation's borders.

    Oh but they can't be invaders, we're told--they don't have weapons! Well, they don't need weapons now do they. Besides, many find weapons after getting settled. We need to find ours.

    We should revoke birthright citizenship

    Starting when?

    Not ‘starting when?’ as in “what date should it be legislated and implemented“: rather “which generation of ‘anchor [great-great-grand-]babies’ should be denied the right to live on the land mass“.

    I reckon there are still some Wampanoag around the place – they might opt for a cutoff date of about 1620.

    They might be on board with the idea: if your parents weren’t in-country by that date, you ought to sling your fucking hook.

    Apache, Cree, Blackfoot, Paiute and others might settle for some time in the mid-late 19th century; the Lakota and Arapaho would definitely want a date before 1851.

    But y’know – details can be worked out later.

    The idea is solid AF – and it would also leave the Redskins with a bunch of half-functional infrastructure as partial compensation for getting all their shit stolen.

    I do envisage some pushback from Western Europe, though: the last thing they want is a bunch of Yanks turning up on their doorstep, with their insistence on weak piss-flavoured beer, shit coffee and syrup on bacon.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Starting when?
     
    Starting now, asshole. But we will make an exception for you. Have a nice post-deportation life in Greece.
    , @anon
    no matter how worked up you get it still won't change the fact that the Indians didn't build this country
  84. @Almost Missouri

    "Isn’t Somaly Mam kind of a fraud whom Nicholas Kristof promoted?"
     
    Somaly Mam
    Greg Mortenson (Three Cups of Tea)
    Ishmael Beah (A Long Way Gone)
    Malala Yousafzai (maybe)
    etc.

    At this point, maybe it is safer just to assume that these Third World Redemption stories are hoaxes until proven otherwise. Sorta like with prominent "hate crimes".

    Now if only we had a catchy phrase for Third World Redemption Story Hoax...

    maybe it is safer just to assume that these Third World Redemption stories are hoaxes until proven otherwise

    Sounds antisemitic to me: you’re inciting a skeptical attitude to riveting, harrowing first-person narratives of survival against the odds, personal redemption and such like.

    The ADL is on to you, you monster.

    Repeat after the hive-mind:

    Certain things are true though they didn’t happen.

  85. @HEL
    The original Tablet article drawing attention to Walker's statement is hilariously mendacious. The words 'alien,' 'reptile' and 'reptilian' do not appear at any point. Reading it you have absolutely no idea what Icke actually claims. Inattentive readers probably just assume he's claiming the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is simply authentic and accurate, but feels a need to hedge and mask his intentions a bit. If they did explain his theories too many readers would understand the real reason Walker was not pressed on recommending the book: her recommendation reveals not that she is an anti-semite, but that she is an utter moron. The readers might also grasp that when someone claims that shapeshifting aliens are running the world, the key point is not that some of these aliens are posing as Jews.

    The original Tablet article drawing attention to Walker’s statement is hilariously mendacious

    @Tiny Duck – you should be excoriating this obvious example of flagrant antisemitism: it (antisemitically) asserts the (antisemitic) notion that Tablet has some sort of obligation to present facts in a way that doesn’t distort them through a specifically philosemitic lens.

    What’s next? The ovens? Zyklon B?

    HAIL KEK!!

  86. Stuff about levels of gods and demons controlling the Earth and humanity and the God of the Old and New Testaments being different and neither the real God are big standard Gnostic heresies .

    Nothing new here:

  87. @Anonymous
    Congress is extremely unpopular. Trump can just blame Congress, including GOP members, for being obstructionist. He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall. Dems will go crazy for open borders as usual.

    Oh please, concern troll…they already have made it clear they are against the Wall, over and over (including Chuck Schumer’s recent, public comments). To the degree you are not a troll, but instead just a rollover cuck, running the football backwards, over and over, hoping to get a better position to throw a pass, just lands you in the other team’s endzone and sacked.

    Trump has had two years to order the wall constructed, via executive order, military, via shutdowns, whatever. He can deal with lawsuits or whatever later. This was a one-and-possibly-done presidential term for a guy who also is in his 70’s. Is there, was there ever, really anything else to lose? It was a now or never–it’s not an overstatement. If he cannot do it this term, no president can or ever will (unless it is to lock us in).

  88. @Johnny Smoggins
    "I used to look down on homophobes."


    Same here. Though straight, I've partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    No more. Forcing someone to accept your beliefs, in contradiction to their own, in order to destroy and humiliate them as we've seen with the gay wedding cake stories is the very definition of hate and intolerance.

    I'm not quite at the point of wishing homosexuals to be trussed up and thrown off rooftops, Islamic style, but I'm starting to see the Islamic point of view when it comes to them.

    The tack they’ve taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color. So for example when Bruce Jenner decided he was a woman his gender retroactively applied to all of his biography, including the part where “she” won the men’s Olympic Decathlon and presumably when “she” got married to a woman. Because he…er, she… didn’t choose to be a woman. In their view he always was a woman. Not sure if that invalidates his marriages, which occurred when gay marriage was illegal, and his gold medal. Since “she” was participating in a men’s decathlon perhaps the IOC should take back “her” gold medal.

    But I digress. The point is that in their view being gay is not a choice, so to object to it based on religious beliefs or for any other reason is not a right. That is why the next part of the agenda is to stamp out any and all objection, even religious ones, to homosexuality, since it is not a choice.

    Personally I don’t think it’s a choice, either, nor do I really object to it. But most religions believe that it is God’s will to channel human sexuality in various ways. They don’t just ban sodomy. Many of them are also opposed to incest, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, polygamy, bestiality, and quite a few other things. The limits for straight people aren’t much easier than those for gays, so it’s hardly quite the same thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A "she" does not impregnate another woman, nor has any "she" ever qualified for any Olympic men's track and field event . Jenner therefore must be regarded as a "he" up until "his" penis and testes were removed at the very absolute least.
    , @Kemidov

    The tack they’ve taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color.
     
    That is a fallacious argument. First, it conflates (involuntary) feelings (being attracted to the same sex) with (voluntary) behavior (engaging in homosexual activity). Moreover, even in so far as the latter is concerned, the demands of homosexualist and "LGBTQ" activists go far beyond the mere tolerance of private, consensual, adult behavior. When was the last time anyone in a Western country was less-than-free to engage in such?

    No, what the homo/buggery/"LGBTQ" lobby demands is not mere tolerance, nor even mere acceptance but, rather, that everyone must endorse, celebrate and promote their proclivities and identity and lifestyle choices and to, against all relevant evidence and manifest, objective reality, declare them to be fully equivalent to normative heterosexuality.
    , @dfordoom

    Personally I don’t think it’s a choice, either
     
    Not sure about male homosexuals. I suspect it's mostly about an insane obsession with sex. You're not likely to find too many women who will be cool with the idea that you want to go off and have several hundred other sexual partners. So it's an obsession with sex. Sex with anything. Since women won't accommodate such an obsession they turn to other men.

    As for lesbians, it's a choice.
  89. Y’all can laugh at Icky Icke’s metamorphical skuldggery as much as you want – meanwhile this country will continue to suffer severely from billionaires’ e-Reptile Dysfunction:

    ” The group, funded by liberal billionaire Reid Hoffman, created over 1,000 Russian-language Twitter accounts that followed Roy Moore overnight in order to link the embattled Republican candidate to Russian influence campaigns, according to a Wednesday report in the NYY. ”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-20/democrats-orchestrated-elaborate-false-flag-operation-posing-russian-bots-during

  90. @attilathehen
    Alice Walker's ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    Alice Walker’s ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    Why is it always a black-Jewish progeny and never a jack-bluish progeny? I think the jack-blues might be the solution to problems like a cure for cancer, showing P does not equal NP, making buttered toast land buttered side up when you drop it – you know, the really important stuff.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    If by jack-bluish you mean WASPs, that rarely happened and will not happen anymore.

    Jews love blacks/Asians. When the Ashkenazi Jews lived in Europe, if they married anyone not Jewish it would have been a European. Now that they live in many parts of the world, they are consistently choosing black/Asians partners. Mark Zuckerberg has a Chinese wife and offspring. Chloe Green, the Topshop heiress, is set to marry the black, ex-con Jeremy Meeks. They have a black/Jewish son. Jews are now an Afro-Asiatic people. This mixing is lowering the little IQ they had.

  91. @Kratoklastes

    We should revoke birthright citizenship
     
    Starting when?

    Not 'starting when?' as in "what date should it be legislated and implemented": rather "which generation of 'anchor [great-great-grand-]babies' should be denied the right to live on the land mass".

    I reckon there are still some Wampanoag around the place - they might opt for a cutoff date of about 1620.

    They might be on board with the idea: if your parents weren't in-country by that date, you ought to sling your fucking hook.

    Apache, Cree, Blackfoot, Paiute and others might settle for some time in the mid-late 19th century; the Lakota and Arapaho would definitely want a date before 1851.

    But y'know - details can be worked out later.

    The idea is solid AF - and it would also leave the Redskins with a bunch of half-functional infrastructure as partial compensation for getting all their shit stolen.

    I do envisage some pushback from Western Europe, though: the last thing they want is a bunch of Yanks turning up on their doorstep, with their insistence on weak piss-flavoured beer, shit coffee and syrup on bacon.

    Starting when?

    Starting now, asshole. But we will make an exception for you. Have a nice post-deportation life in Greece.

  92. @Intelligent Dasein

    Why should it be ignored?
     
    The David Icke stuff, that's why.

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.

    Is Icke really that offensive?

    Bill Kristol’s neocon agitprop provided much of the impetus for Irak Attak II – a war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Despite the recent failure of his toilet-paper-substitute political rag, he’s not backing down – among other things, he’s been suggesting that going to war with China is a really good idea. He’s literally dangerous – he has personally influenced government officials to take actions that have brought about widespread death, destruction, and deprivation.

    Should Steve stop writing about him, as well? Because he sure as hell doesn’t deserve any publicity, either.

    • Replies: @anon

    Bill Kristol’s neocon agitprop provided much of the impetus for Irak Attak II – a war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Despite the recent failure of his toilet-paper-substitute political rag, he’s not backing down – among other things, he’s been suggesting that going to war with China is a really good idea.
     
    i agree, its such a great idea Bill should pitch it to Israel
  93. This is a quote from Ms. Walker. She is definitely a second Shakespeare. No! What am I saying? – She is far greater than Shakespeare

    The Reptilian space beings whose hybrid (part human, part reptile) descendants make our lives hell in Paradise were blue eyed devils to Malcolm X, the devil himself to my Christian parents, who never talked about eye color, which I think was not only prudent but wise, although they seemed clear enough about his sex, and as demons in many other religions, including the non-religion, Buddhism, where the advice is often to invite them in until they go away. But maybe these were other kinds of demons. Not the ones controlling not just you, but everything.

    http://alicewalkersgarden.com/2013/02/human-race-get-off-your-knees-i-couldnt-have-put-it-better-myself/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/9/9f/BlueEyesWhiteDragon-SDKS-EN-C-1E.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20161021200953
  94. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Alice Walker’s ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.
     
    Why is it always a black-Jewish progeny and never a jack-bluish progeny? I think the jack-blues might be the solution to problems like a cure for cancer, showing P does not equal NP, making buttered toast land buttered side up when you drop it - you know, the really important stuff.

    If by jack-bluish you mean WASPs, that rarely happened and will not happen anymore.

    Jews love blacks/Asians. When the Ashkenazi Jews lived in Europe, if they married anyone not Jewish it would have been a European. Now that they live in many parts of the world, they are consistently choosing black/Asians partners. Mark Zuckerberg has a Chinese wife and offspring. Chloe Green, the Topshop heiress, is set to marry the black, ex-con Jeremy Meeks. They have a black/Jewish son. Jews are now an Afro-Asiatic people. This mixing is lowering the little IQ they had.

  95. @Mike1
    The authorized history of the Rothschilds is available on Amazon. Do yourself a favor and read the books before implying that they are down to their last 170 million.
    They openly owned virtually everything that mattered in fairly recent history.

    No, just that one member. His father will probably leave him more.

    Still, quite the screwup to lose 83% of a billion pound fortune.

  96. Has anyone actually read The Color Purple? My impression just from skimming reviews and talking heads on tv is that it is a prime example of Plaques for Blacks.

  97. @Clifford Brown
    David Icke basically founded his own New Age religion and he holds religious like seminars around the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NapHiWsoFXI

    What a hoser.:)

  98. @Ibound1
    This is a quote from Ms. Walker. She is definitely a second Shakespeare. No! What am I saying? - She is far greater than Shakespeare

    The Reptilian space beings whose hybrid (part human, part reptile) descendants make our lives hell in Paradise were blue eyed devils to Malcolm X, the devil himself to my Christian parents, who never talked about eye color, which I think was not only prudent but wise, although they seemed clear enough about his sex, and as demons in many other religions, including the non-religion, Buddhism, where the advice is often to invite them in until they go away. But maybe these were other kinds of demons. Not the ones controlling not just you, but everything.
     
    http://alicewalkersgarden.com/2013/02/human-race-get-off-your-knees-i-couldnt-have-put-it-better-myself/
  99. @attilathehen
    Alice Walker's ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    Suddenly the publishing hype and the Spielberg movie tie in start to make more sense.

  100. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    Little Little Miss Muffett is a big Icke fan, but then again she also thinks smart meters interfere with her menstrual cycle and feels that the Tarot is the best way to vet (in the British sense) relationships:

    As a Covington fan I eagerly await her dissertation on the Prince of Wands.

  101. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Reptilians are your hardy perennials on the Art Bell/ George Noury Coast to Coast show. Do not under under under estimate them. Yes Bell is deceased. I read the best Icke book in 1999/ as in last century.

    Fart Smell was a mediocre broadcaster who rose to fame like Milton Berle: the competition was in essence a test pattern at that time of night.

    Many nights on third shift at an electronics plant I had Fart Smell tuned in on an IFR service monitor (a twenty thousand dollar table radio was what it was good for in that shop since we were 99% digital) while troubleshooting boards and trying to catch someone boogering a soldering iron while the victim was ‘on a smoko’, as we called them since we had a couple Aussies there.

    There just wasn’t anything else on besides Christian radio and crappic rock stations that played the same songs every week on a rotating basis. Since they didn’t repeat (if you busted them they’d give you a gift cert for a couple of hundred bucks at the mall if you were the first caller) that meant to fill 10,080 minutes of music minus commercials and news reporting and station IDs they had to play tons of lame prog and biker rock, since anything before 1967, anything Punk, New Wave, or Pop or Rockabilly were all excluded. Bott owned all the Christian stations that didn’t sign off after 10 pm. The really whacky Christian stuff that was actually funny was on KAAY Little Rock AM and there was so much RF crap in the shop you could’t listen to DX AM even on the outside antenna feed.

    If you had access to TWO service monitors you could put the wideband demod OUT into the RF antenna IN and make a decent subcarrier adapter. We did that on the night when the local reading for the blind station had Adult Hour. They’d have some old woman read pure smut out of “Penthouse Forum” or an erotic novel from the Cumalot (the Camelot theater and adult bookstore) and the effect was ROTFLMAO funny.

  102. @Wilkey
    The tack they've taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color. So for example when Bruce Jenner decided he was a woman his gender retroactively applied to all of his biography, including the part where "she" won the men's Olympic Decathlon and presumably when "she" got married to a woman. Because he...er, she... didn't choose to be a woman. In their view he always was a woman. Not sure if that invalidates his marriages, which occurred when gay marriage was illegal, and his gold medal. Since "she" was participating in a men's decathlon perhaps the IOC should take back "her" gold medal.

    But I digress. The point is that in their view being gay is not a choice, so to object to it based on religious beliefs or for any other reason is not a right. That is why the next part of the agenda is to stamp out any and all objection, even religious ones, to homosexuality, since it is not a choice.

    Personally I don't think it's a choice, either, nor do I really object to it. But most religions believe that it is God's will to channel human sexuality in various ways. They don't just ban sodomy. Many of them are also opposed to incest, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, polygamy, bestiality, and quite a few other things. The limits for straight people aren't much easier than those for gays, so it's hardly quite the same thing.

    A “she” does not impregnate another woman, nor has any “she” ever qualified for any Olympic men’s track and field event . Jenner therefore must be regarded as a “he” up until “his” penis and testes were removed at the very absolute least.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Indeed. But, in their view, Jenner didn't "switch" to being a woman - he simply came to the realization that he always was a woman. So if you read his Wikipedia entry his entire biography is told using female pronouns, from "her" birth to "her" upbringing to "her" Olymic decathlon victory to "her" marriage to a woman.
  103. @attilathehen
    Alice Walker's ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    Is she Bluish? We may have a match for her.

  104. Speaking of literature… Oh, wait, this is Alice Walker. Literature would be OT.

    Speaking of words, this is interesting. But really, they could have mentioned James Patterson as a businessman-novelist. So there’s at least one.

    Sorry if you have to be on LinkedIn to read this.

    Reading fiction helps your career, but reading poetry helps more

  105. @J.Ross
    It is kind of funny that Oprah Winfrey already came out as a lesbian years before the rumors, and nobody picked up on it for pretty much the same reason Jerry Seinfeld couldn't give specific details about another Spielberg didactic epic (which is brainlessly enough being re-released).

    Oprah Winfrey already came out as a lesbian years before the rumors

    Wasn’t there some man interest named Steadman, or Stedman, or Steddman? Was he just the window trimming?

    Inquiring minds want to know ™

  106. @attilathehen
    Alice Walker's ex-husband is Melvyn R. Rosenthal. She has a black/Jewish daughter.

    Many years ago I read an article about Walker’s bi-racial daughter. They’re estranged, I believe. The daughter said something about how whenever she’d get in a fight with her mother, her mother would always insult her for being half-white.

  107. @Kratoklastes

    We should revoke birthright citizenship
     
    Starting when?

    Not 'starting when?' as in "what date should it be legislated and implemented": rather "which generation of 'anchor [great-great-grand-]babies' should be denied the right to live on the land mass".

    I reckon there are still some Wampanoag around the place - they might opt for a cutoff date of about 1620.

    They might be on board with the idea: if your parents weren't in-country by that date, you ought to sling your fucking hook.

    Apache, Cree, Blackfoot, Paiute and others might settle for some time in the mid-late 19th century; the Lakota and Arapaho would definitely want a date before 1851.

    But y'know - details can be worked out later.

    The idea is solid AF - and it would also leave the Redskins with a bunch of half-functional infrastructure as partial compensation for getting all their shit stolen.

    I do envisage some pushback from Western Europe, though: the last thing they want is a bunch of Yanks turning up on their doorstep, with their insistence on weak piss-flavoured beer, shit coffee and syrup on bacon.

    no matter how worked up you get it still won’t change the fact that the Indians didn’t build this country

  108. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams

    Even negative publicity is more publicity than he deserves.
     
    Is Icke really that offensive?

    Bill Kristol's neocon agitprop provided much of the impetus for Irak Attak II - a war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Despite the recent failure of his toilet-paper-substitute political rag, he's not backing down - among other things, he's been suggesting that going to war with China is a really good idea. He's literally dangerous - he has personally influenced government officials to take actions that have brought about widespread death, destruction, and deprivation.

    Should Steve stop writing about him, as well? Because he sure as hell doesn't deserve any publicity, either.

    Bill Kristol’s neocon agitprop provided much of the impetus for Irak Attak II – a war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Despite the recent failure of his toilet-paper-substitute political rag, he’s not backing down – among other things, he’s been suggesting that going to war with China is a really good idea.

    i agree, its such a great idea Bill should pitch it to Israel

  109. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    Terrible advice. The Dems could simply point out that the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for the first two years of Trump’s first term, and Trump voters would be dupes to fall for it again. Opens up a great tack for Dems to discourage Trump’s base from turning out.

    does anyone even listen to this stuff though and make their decisions from it?

    i hear these political guys talking about Trump needs to do this or that and then the Democrats and the media are gonna blame him for the shutdown so he needs to avoid that….its all bullshit

  110. @gregor
    There seems to be a growing intolerance for conspiracy and oddball theories. Stuff that would have just been ignored or laughed off in the past.

    NBA player Kyrie Irving has apparently suggested he believes in a flat Earth. And Steph Curry apparently thinks we didn’t land on the Moon.

    Curry’s comments were called “irresponsible” by ESPN’s Max Kellerman. On “Pardon The Interruption,” Tony Kornheiser declared “it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier.”
     
    Oy!

    “When people believe [flat Earth or moon landing conspiracies], they believe the other things that are more important like climate change not being real or vaccines and 9/11 being a conspiracy theory,” Kelly told Curry during an Instagram chat between the two.
     
    https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/12/18/famed-flat-earther-kyrie-irving-gets-pointed-about-steph-curry

    Curry’s comments were called “irresponsible” by ESPN’s Max Kellerman. On “Pardon The Interruption,” Tony Kornheiser declared “it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier.”

    uh oh, even the schwartzes are questioning the narrative

    • Replies: @Hail

    it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier
     
    What is a slavery denier? Are there people who 'deny' that there were slaves in the U.S. South up to 1865?
  111. @Hail
    Surely the Wall is a needed morale 'win' for White America; even if 100% symbolic.

    Understood, but that is a very expensive morale boost. Better it should be cost-effective as well, like the high-tech versions which have been proposed.

    A certain amount of earthworks and razor ribbon, sure, but also some lasers, radar, video monitoring, motion detection, drones and so on. We have the technology; it would be a shame not to use it.

  112. @anon

    Curry’s comments were called “irresponsible” by ESPN’s Max Kellerman. On “Pardon The Interruption,” Tony Kornheiser declared “it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier.”
     
    uh oh, even the schwartzes are questioning the narrative

    it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier

    What is a slavery denier? Are there people who ‘deny’ that there were slaves in the U.S. South up to 1865?

    • Replies: @Corn
    I’ve never heard of a slavery denier but the Left will probably invent them.
    , @Trevor H.
    That's his purpose exactly in making the connection. If you accept that there were slaves, ever, then "likewise" you must never question any aspect of the Holocaust Narrative. Neat trick huh.
  113. @Hail

    it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier
     
    What is a slavery denier? Are there people who 'deny' that there were slaves in the U.S. South up to 1865?

    I’ve never heard of a slavery denier but the Left will probably invent them.

  114. @Anonymous
    A "she" does not impregnate another woman, nor has any "she" ever qualified for any Olympic men's track and field event . Jenner therefore must be regarded as a "he" up until "his" penis and testes were removed at the very absolute least.

    Indeed. But, in their view, Jenner didn’t “switch” to being a woman – he simply came to the realization that he always was a woman. So if you read his Wikipedia entry his entire biography is told using female pronouns, from “her” birth to “her” upbringing to “her” Olymic decathlon victory to “her” marriage to a woman.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "He" was never a woman and you and I know that perfectly well and so do they. They are indulging in the playtime fantasies of a small child and they know it and we know they know it , etc, etc, ad nauseum.
  115. @Wilkey
    The tack they've taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color. So for example when Bruce Jenner decided he was a woman his gender retroactively applied to all of his biography, including the part where "she" won the men's Olympic Decathlon and presumably when "she" got married to a woman. Because he...er, she... didn't choose to be a woman. In their view he always was a woman. Not sure if that invalidates his marriages, which occurred when gay marriage was illegal, and his gold medal. Since "she" was participating in a men's decathlon perhaps the IOC should take back "her" gold medal.

    But I digress. The point is that in their view being gay is not a choice, so to object to it based on religious beliefs or for any other reason is not a right. That is why the next part of the agenda is to stamp out any and all objection, even religious ones, to homosexuality, since it is not a choice.

    Personally I don't think it's a choice, either, nor do I really object to it. But most religions believe that it is God's will to channel human sexuality in various ways. They don't just ban sodomy. Many of them are also opposed to incest, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, polygamy, bestiality, and quite a few other things. The limits for straight people aren't much easier than those for gays, so it's hardly quite the same thing.

    The tack they’ve taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color.

    That is a fallacious argument. First, it conflates (involuntary) feelings (being attracted to the same sex) with (voluntary) behavior (engaging in homosexual activity). Moreover, even in so far as the latter is concerned, the demands of homosexualist and “LGBTQ” activists go far beyond the mere tolerance of private, consensual, adult behavior. When was the last time anyone in a Western country was less-than-free to engage in such?

    No, what the homo/buggery/”LGBTQ” lobby demands is not mere tolerance, nor even mere acceptance but, rather, that everyone must endorse, celebrate and promote their proclivities and identity and lifestyle choices and to, against all relevant evidence and manifest, objective reality, declare them to be fully equivalent to normative heterosexuality.

  116. @Anonymous

    Same here. Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.
     
    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people. At a fundamental level you have the defective brain of a leftist, not a normal healthy one.

    Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.

    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people.

    Unfortunately what you’ve said does seem to be true of a lot of right-wingers, including a disturbingly high proportion of the alt-right. Look at the worship of Milo.

    They want to defend the core values of western civilisation from those nasty Muslims and non-whites but they see the core values of western civilisation as being feminism, pornography, sodomy, homosexual marriage ands recognising men in frocks as women.

    If that’s western civilisation then let it burn.

    • Replies: @Kemidov

    They want to defend the core values of western civilisation from those nasty Muslims and non-whites but they see the core values of western civilisation as being feminism, pornography, sodomy, homosexual marriage ands [sic] recognising men in frocks as women.

    If that’s western civilisation then let it burn.
     
    Hear, hear!

    I would add to your list general hedonism/ wanton libertinism (a list such as yours that includes sodomy and pornography seems incomplete without the addition of at least fornication and adultery), as well as materialism; consumerism; and worship of technological advancement as an ends unto itself.

    I would also point-out that not all of the above-enumerated vices and ills are all embraced (or at least well accepted) by the same individuals. For example, one need look no further than the iSteve commentariat for examples of individuals who seem just fine with one or more of the following-- as long it is of the heterosexual variety: wanton fornication; pornography; and even serial adultery. (For such individuals, the President's record of public boasts of bedding married women is likely more a feature than a bug.) Said individuals, however, are emphatically not similarly complacent about homosexuality, let alone such absurdities as "same-sex marriage", or indulging the delusional fantasies of individuals who are at war with such objective, immutable, biological realities as that of their own sex.
  117. @Wilkey
    The tack they've taken is that homosexuality (and all the other variations in that mile-long acronym) is not a behavior or choice, but an innate characteristic no more subject to choice than skin color. So for example when Bruce Jenner decided he was a woman his gender retroactively applied to all of his biography, including the part where "she" won the men's Olympic Decathlon and presumably when "she" got married to a woman. Because he...er, she... didn't choose to be a woman. In their view he always was a woman. Not sure if that invalidates his marriages, which occurred when gay marriage was illegal, and his gold medal. Since "she" was participating in a men's decathlon perhaps the IOC should take back "her" gold medal.

    But I digress. The point is that in their view being gay is not a choice, so to object to it based on religious beliefs or for any other reason is not a right. That is why the next part of the agenda is to stamp out any and all objection, even religious ones, to homosexuality, since it is not a choice.

    Personally I don't think it's a choice, either, nor do I really object to it. But most religions believe that it is God's will to channel human sexuality in various ways. They don't just ban sodomy. Many of them are also opposed to incest, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, polygamy, bestiality, and quite a few other things. The limits for straight people aren't much easier than those for gays, so it's hardly quite the same thing.

    Personally I don’t think it’s a choice, either

    Not sure about male homosexuals. I suspect it’s mostly about an insane obsession with sex. You’re not likely to find too many women who will be cool with the idea that you want to go off and have several hundred other sexual partners. So it’s an obsession with sex. Sex with anything. Since women won’t accommodate such an obsession they turn to other men.

    As for lesbians, it’s a choice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I 100 percent agree with lesbianism being a choice. I think male gays can be either way (biological or decision) with there may be existing a spectrum rather than one or the other. Why conversion therapies work sometimes and fail utterly in others.
  118. Alice Walker is somebody only because she was one of the few black women who could string enough mostly grammatical sentences together to make a book. That she doesn’t really know what’s going on should not be surprising.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    She'd be a somebody of sorts because she wrote a piece of fiction which could be repurposed into a salable film script.

    The corps of blacks who can produce digestible fiction is not so small that the book buying market has to waste its time and money on the emperors-new-clothes set in order to read books by blacks. People like Gloria Steinem promoted her for their own reasons.
  119. @dfordoom

    Personally I don’t think it’s a choice, either
     
    Not sure about male homosexuals. I suspect it's mostly about an insane obsession with sex. You're not likely to find too many women who will be cool with the idea that you want to go off and have several hundred other sexual partners. So it's an obsession with sex. Sex with anything. Since women won't accommodate such an obsession they turn to other men.

    As for lesbians, it's a choice.

    I 100 percent agree with lesbianism being a choice. I think male gays can be either way (biological or decision) with there may be existing a spectrum rather than one or the other. Why conversion therapies work sometimes and fail utterly in others.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I think male gays can be either way (biological or decision) with there may be existing a spectrum rather than one or the other.
     
    The very fact that the homosexual lobby is so keen to spread homosexual propaganda in schools and in the media is compelling evidence that they know very well that for a significant proportion of the male homosexual population it is a choice. If it were entirely biological they wouldn't be wasting time trying to make new converts.
  120. @Anonymous
    Congress is extremely unpopular. Trump can just blame Congress, including GOP members, for being obstructionist. He can just say he will direct the military to build the Wall. Dems will go crazy for open borders as usual.

    It doesn’t matter how unpopular Congress is. Trump won’t be running against Congress.

  121. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Icke claimed that former PM, Ted Heath, was a child eating shape-shifting green extraterrestrial lizard who performed regularly at moonlight sabbats.
     
    Turns out Heath was 'only' a child rapist: almost certainly a child rapist, and probably 'only'.

    Bear in mind how long ago Icke made that claim about Heath, and how recently the evidence about Heath's child-molesting has come out.

    Americans are fucking hopeless at nuance, but maybe - just maybe - Icke's schtick is all about getting some interesting stuff into the societal conversation, without getting sued into the poorhouse.

    So dress up sensible assertions about the political class (reality: they're despicable parasitic vermin who should be eradicated) in cartoonish nonsense ... "The Queen is a shape-shifting lizard who thrives on negative energy". If Betty Saxe-Coburg-Gotha sues, she'll give the story more legs.

    And to put icing on the cake - make a moonbat claim to be a reincarnation of Jesus (or some other fictional character of your choice: personally I would choose Marduk or perhaps the Hochberg Prince).

    Like I've said elsewhere: I'm hyper-cynical about almost everyone in public life - Icke included - so my 'prior' is that Icke's just another bullshit-artist.

    But it's kinda dumb to use Heath as an example of Icke getting it wrong.

    Wiltshire police have said that had Heath still been alive during Operation Conifer, he would have been questioned under caution over at least 7 of the allegations. From "Operation Conifer- Summary Closure Report":


    In the case of seven individual disclosures, if Sir Edward Heath had been alive today, it has been concluded that he would have been interviewed under caution in order to obtain his account in relation to the allegations made against him.
     
    Imagine how certain a bunch of plodders would have to be, to haul in a former Prime Minister about allegations of child-fucking.

    The evidence would have to be "George Pell"-level.

    For those playing at home, Pell's a Catholic kiddie-fucker who thought he would get away with it because of the social power of the institution he was part of: his conviction last week was the subject of the most laughably-incompetent suppression order in the history of any legal system anywhere.

    ‘Noncery’ aside, I have always found Ted Heath a fascinating character – the UK Prime Minister in power during a tremendous period of national upheaval, strife and change.

    Heath and not Thatcher is the *key* post 1945 UK PM. His brief reign largely defines the modern UK.

    One of my strongest memories of that era is Slade’s 1973 hit ‘Merry Christmas’ – played incessantly now as then. It’s release coincided with the culmination of many distinct economic crises in the UK, the coal strike – and power cuts – the Arab oil embargo, raging inflation, and a worldwide commodity price explosion. Very rough times. Incidentally, this is why I scoff at all the prophecies of doom bandied about because of ‘hard’ brexit.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    He wasn't the key at all. He was hapless klutz who happened to be on hand when a number of crises hit. Thatcher was the only prime minister who held office between 1945 and 1990 who could manage anything better than 'orderly management of decline'.
  122. @MBlanc46
    Alice Walker is somebody only because she was one of the few black women who could string enough mostly grammatical sentences together to make a book. That she doesn’t really know what’s going on should not be surprising.

    She’d be a somebody of sorts because she wrote a piece of fiction which could be repurposed into a salable film script.

    The corps of blacks who can produce digestible fiction is not so small that the book buying market has to waste its time and money on the emperors-new-clothes set in order to read books by blacks. People like Gloria Steinem promoted her for their own reasons.

  123. @Anonymous
    'Noncery' aside, I have always found Ted Heath a fascinating character - the UK Prime Minister in power during a tremendous period of national upheaval, strife and change.

    Heath and not Thatcher is the *key* post 1945 UK PM. His brief reign largely defines the modern UK.

    One of my strongest memories of that era is Slade's 1973 hit 'Merry Christmas' - played incessantly now as then. It's release coincided with the culmination of many distinct economic crises in the UK, the coal strike - and power cuts - the Arab oil embargo, raging inflation, and a worldwide commodity price explosion. Very rough times. Incidentally, this is why I scoff at all the prophecies of doom bandied about because of 'hard' brexit.

    He wasn’t the key at all. He was hapless klutz who happened to be on hand when a number of crises hit. Thatcher was the only prime minister who held office between 1945 and 1990 who could manage anything better than ‘orderly management of decline’.

  124. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @John
    Ah, The Color Purple. I think that was the first movie I ever saw in Brazil, in 1986. In a local newspaper's cinema listings it was described simply as Melodrama, and that was exactly right. I went only because I was soaking up local culture, but I could not figure out the appeal of this movie, to anybody. I have at last concluded that foreigners will peer through ANY window on American culture. From the subtitles I learned, then forgot, the Portuguese for "caboose," something I have in fact never seen anywhere in Brazil.

    Yesterday for another thread I had composed a post that began "Ah, Red Dawn" and maybe I'll follow through on it here. I never did see that movie, but one day in 1984 I was on the campus of the University of Manitoba and happened to read a review in the school newspaper. I recall the phrase "'Red Dawn' is a disgusting movie" - the writer was infuriated that anyone could be so disrespectful of the U.S.S.R. I think it was in this very same newspaper that I first came across the phrase "Ronald Raygun." I wouldn't call any of this particularly Canadian, or particularly collegiate. Lots of people were like this.

    Well, I enjoy iSteve posts that set me off on these tangents. I was pleased yesterday to see my check for $99.99 has been cashed - Merry Christmas! I now return this thread to the people who post multiple times on all threads. I suppose if I "unignored" their comments, I might find out what THEY donate. But...nah!

    Ah, The Color Purple. I think that was the first movie I ever saw in Brazil, in 1986. In a local newspaper’s cinema listings it was described simply as Melodrama, and that was exactly right. I went only because I was soaking up local culture, but I could not figure out the appeal of this movie, to anybody. I have at last concluded that foreigners will peer through ANY window on American culture. From the subtitles I learned, then forgot, the Portuguese for “caboose,” something I have in fact never seen anywhere in Brazil.

    Cabooses (cabeese?) are not used anywhere that I know of today, replaced by the FRED or ETD, a small box bolted to the last car on the train.

    Brazil deliberately engineered their railroads with an odd gauge to make train travel between Brazil and anywhere else impossible. They changed the gauge just enough that three rail track for interchanges is not possible.

    I’m guessing they value being Lusitanic and not Hispanic more than they value the economic benefit of trade.

  125. @Wilkey
    Indeed. But, in their view, Jenner didn't "switch" to being a woman - he simply came to the realization that he always was a woman. So if you read his Wikipedia entry his entire biography is told using female pronouns, from "her" birth to "her" upbringing to "her" Olymic decathlon victory to "her" marriage to a woman.

    “He” was never a woman and you and I know that perfectly well and so do they. They are indulging in the playtime fantasies of a small child and they know it and we know they know it , etc, etc, ad nauseum.

  126. @Anonymous
    I 100 percent agree with lesbianism being a choice. I think male gays can be either way (biological or decision) with there may be existing a spectrum rather than one or the other. Why conversion therapies work sometimes and fail utterly in others.

    I think male gays can be either way (biological or decision) with there may be existing a spectrum rather than one or the other.

    The very fact that the homosexual lobby is so keen to spread homosexual propaganda in schools and in the media is compelling evidence that they know very well that for a significant proportion of the male homosexual population it is a choice. If it were entirely biological they wouldn’t be wasting time trying to make new converts.

  127. @dfordoom


    Though straight, I’ve partied at gay bars, been to Pride festivities and always had a live and let live attitude when it came to gays.
     
    Shit like this from supposedly right-wing people is baffling and incomprehensible to me. Do you lack normal human disgust instincts? Do you have no dignity or self-respect? This confirms my theory that most of you are basically just liberals that dislike brown people.
     
    Unfortunately what you've said does seem to be true of a lot of right-wingers, including a disturbingly high proportion of the alt-right. Look at the worship of Milo.

    They want to defend the core values of western civilisation from those nasty Muslims and non-whites but they see the core values of western civilisation as being feminism, pornography, sodomy, homosexual marriage ands recognising men in frocks as women.

    If that's western civilisation then let it burn.

    They want to defend the core values of western civilisation from those nasty Muslims and non-whites but they see the core values of western civilisation as being feminism, pornography, sodomy, homosexual marriage ands [sic] recognising men in frocks as women.

    If that’s western civilisation then let it burn.

    Hear, hear!

    I would add to your list general hedonism/ wanton libertinism (a list such as yours that includes sodomy and pornography seems incomplete without the addition of at least fornication and adultery), as well as materialism; consumerism; and worship of technological advancement as an ends unto itself.

    I would also point-out that not all of the above-enumerated vices and ills are all embraced (or at least well accepted) by the same individuals. For example, one need look no further than the iSteve commentariat for examples of individuals who seem just fine with one or more of the following– as long it is of the heterosexual variety: wanton fornication; pornography; and even serial adultery. (For such individuals, the President’s record of public boasts of bedding married women is likely more a feature than a bug.) Said individuals, however, are emphatically not similarly complacent about homosexuality, let alone such absurdities as “same-sex marriage”, or indulging the delusional fantasies of individuals who are at war with such objective, immutable, biological realities as that of their own sex.

  128. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    For example, one need look no further than the iSteve commentariat for examples of individuals who seem just fine with one or more of the following– as long it is of the heterosexual variety: wanton fornication; pornography; and even serial adultery. (For such individuals, the President’s record of public boasts of bedding married women is likely more a feature than a bug.) Said individuals, however, are emphatically not similarly complacent about homosexuality, let alone such absurdities as “same-sex marriage”, or indulging the delusional fantasies of individuals who are at war with such objective, immutable, biological realities as that of their own sex.

    I would prefer Ron Paul, who probably is a male univira so to speak, than Trump, but I can overlook Trump’s peccadilloes.

    I bedded a lot of women, many nonwhite, but no Blacks, and NEVER knowingly anyone married to another man. I’m not proud of the nonwhite part. I’m no paragon of virtue, I don’t know if I’d vote for me for President. But heterosexual randiness is not as bad as typical homosexual behavior, not by a long shot.

  129. @Hail

    it’s a very small step to becoming a Holocaust denier or a slavery denier
     
    What is a slavery denier? Are there people who 'deny' that there were slaves in the U.S. South up to 1865?

    That’s his purpose exactly in making the connection. If you accept that there were slaves, ever, then “likewise” you must never question any aspect of the Holocaust Narrative. Neat trick huh.

  130. @Lot
    Icke mentions the Rothschilds 350 times in one of his books.

    The current heir of the English branch is a dopey lush who lost much of the family fortune in mining ventures. Net worth went from about 1 billion to 170 million pounds.

    His young model wife looks like a winner though.

    https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/23/3367843400000578-0-image-a-17_1461363677526.jpg

    What do you call manspreading when it’s done by a high-class call girl?

  131. @Anonymous
    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won't be called out because of intersectional ranking. How is this not significant? Why should it be ignored?

    Hero of the Left openly touts insane parody-ideology in Western Civs newspaper of record. Won’t be called out because of intersectional ranking.

    The Emperor’s New Scales.

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