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Commenter TheBoom responds to commenter Bomag:

You can’t win.

Actually, you can but you need to live in a less responsible society to win. In responsible societies men, look after women which translates into trying to be fair and nice. Women manipulate responsible men’s desire to be fair into unfair advantages for women which you especially see in divorce laws and sexual harassment policies. This gives women power over men and causes them to lose respect for men then shit test men constantly. Nice men usually fail shit tests which causes women to want to import a new crop of men.

In irresponsible societies men usually have mistresses and or multiple wives. Irresponsible men don’t give women special privileges in divorce, hiring or childcare which gives men more power and women more respect for men.

Women may want a responsible man who makes them submit but prefer an irresponsible strong man to a weak and responsible man. Big world out there.

It’s interesting that the current wave of feminism is now 49 years old, which would seem long enough to test whether it is likely ever to make the majority of women happy. But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

 
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  1. lhtness says:

    Doubling down is a well-established progressive response to failed policies.

    • Agree: Simply Simon
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  2. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    OT.

    In getting my early morning fix of Vdare, I was rather surprised and amused to read that distinguished Unz Review writer and sometime iSteve commenter, John Derbyshire, is in fact a fairly close cousin to Vdare boss Peter Brimelow.
    Yes, the ‘terrible twins’ of English-cum-American alt-rightism, are relations. John Derbyshire, apparently only discovered this fact from a recent 23 and Me test.

    Apart from underscoring their sheer utility and curiosity values of these commercial ancestry tests – there’s always fascinating facts to be found – the strange coincidence is that Brimelow and Derbyshire picked the same trades, have largely the same views, both emigrated to the USA independently, and Brimelow ended up being Derbyshire’s boss!

  3. Walsh2 says:

    To a certain extent, being unhappy makes women happy. Not surprisingly, as a male, I can’t exactly put my finger on it but think it’s a similar to Melancholy. To quote Hugu “Melancholy is the happiness of being sad.”

  4. RCB says:

    As a man who has generally had a good experience with women all his life, I have a hard time buying this sort of argument.

    • LOL: fnn
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @notanon
    , @backup
  5. L Woods says:

    Flawed premise. Feminism would be unacceptable even if it did succeed in making women “happy.” To hell with their “happiness.”

    • Replies: @SMK
  6. Betty Friedan’s “problem that has no name” was women’s dissatisfaction. It is therefore quite reasonable to ask if 50 years of feminism have made them happy. If it has not, then Friedan’s project is a failure in its own terms.

    Someone on another thread pointed out Carl Friedan’s web site, which he created to answer his ex-wife Betty’s accusation in print that he was violent to her. It would be amusing if it were not so scary.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20010212020534fw_/http://www.carlfriedan.com:80/insanity.html

  7. Polynikes says:

    It’s probably not a binary answer. The answer depends on the woman. For the less desirable women and lesbians, my guess is that feminism hasn’t been all that bad. For the more desirable married woman that is working and raising a child instead of staying home with the children, feminism probably hasn’t been the best proposition.

  8. Semi-OT

    NPR gets woke.

    National Public Radio reports that African men don’t support their own kids; burden falls upon babymama and grandmama.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/06/07/617097908/why-grandmothers-may-hold-the-key-to-human-evolution

    #YouveComeALongWayBaby
    #LikeAFishNeedsABicycle
    #FutureIsFeminst

    Hear Me Roar … while I’m digging for tubers with a pointed stick to survive.

  9. tanabear says:

    What job makes women the happiest? Think of the most politically incorrect response and that is the correct answer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634473/The-job-makes-happiest-Housewife-Survey-finds-stay-home-mothers-satisfied-profession.html

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Reg Cæsar
  10. I will take a different angle on the same narrative of feminism, which can be viewed through the spectacle of the Kavanaugh hearings. It can be set up by using the old query: “Have you stopped being a sexual assaulter?” If you admit it, well then you are a sexual predator. If you deny it, you’re not only a sexual predator but also a liar. It’s similar to saying “heads feminism wins, tails everyone-but-feminism loses.” They will think a certain way and everyone else better conform to it. There is no abject truth. In fact, they will not be denied their “own truth.” That is a phrase that Oprah has coined and beaten to death and it has so many layers of mendacity you could write a book on it.

    Lastly, I would argue the whole “making women happy” is itself the chimera. It’s used to make regular women constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY, ask themselves whether they are happy. Talk about a recipe for disaster. An entirely good day can be completely spoiled for a woman if one small thing (they put 2% milk in my coffee, dammit!!!) derails it. I always try and imagine the mothers/grandmothers/great-grandmothers of these women, and how much stronger they were. Women from past generations understood the difficulty of life and did not fixate on whether they were happy, because there was too much work to do. I suspect the vast majority of them understood what a false god feminism was.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  11. Tyrion 2 says:

    For whatever reason, single women always pick me out and tell me everything about their inner thoughts and private lives at social occasions.

    Almost always there are tears and a past history of easily resolvable bad decisions.

    I like people so I listen and engage, but the misery that feminism has wrought on educated milennial women is actually really awful.

    This latest wave seems custom designed to encourage their worst instincts. I mean who came up with the catchphrase “the personal is political” for the sex that most often takes everything personally?

    And, as if, sleeping around with anybody but rockstars has ever made a woman feel “empowered”.

    Milennial women:

    WWYGS.

    What would your Grandma say?

    She’s probably levelled up to 80 and you’re at 30, so don’t you think you might listen to her rather than doing the opposite?

  12. G. Poulin says:

    Here’s a tried and true solution to feminism : round up all feminists and burn them at the stake.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  13. AndrewR says:

    Good times create weak men

    Weak men create hard times

    Hard times create strong men

    Strong men create good times

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  14. Nice but shallow. The author is projecting North American/Western European attitudes & values. In reality, successful (more or less) societies like most eastern European, Israeli, east Asian etc., give high priorities to women, but women do not exploit their slightly privileged status.

    “Irresponsible” societies like African, Islamic… are shitholes where nothing happens except defecating, giving birth & dying.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @dfordoom
  15. Dr. X says:

    National Public Radio reports that African men don’t support their own kids; burden falls upon babymama and grandmama.

    “It Takes a Village…”

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  16. Dr. X says:

    In irresponsible societies men usually have mistresses and or multiple wives. Irresponsible men don’t give women special privileges in divorce, hiring or childcare which gives men more power and women more respect for men.

    So-called “irresponsible societies” also do not have the universal franchise, and thus do not allow women to vote for a government that will give them special privileges and use its coercive power against men.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @dvorak
  17. Those of us who entered kindergarten after it was decided we were going to get feminism good and hard were welcomed with this stuff:

    Free to Be… You and Me
    Free to Be… You and Me was a children’s entertainment project, conceived, created and executive-produced by actress and author Marlo Thomas. Produced in collaboration with the Ms. Foundation for Women, it was a record album and illustrated book first released in November 1972 featuring songs and stories sung or told by celebrities of the day (credited as “Marlo Thomas and Friends”) including Alan Alda, Rosey Grier, Cicely Tyson, Carol Channing, Michael Jackson, Roberta Flack, Shirley Jones, Jack Cassidy, and Diana Ross. An ABC special, also created by Marlo Thomas, using poetry, songs, and sketches followed two years later in March 1974. The basic concept was to encourage post-1960s gender neutrality, saluting values such as individuality, tolerance, and comfort with one’s identity. A major thematic message is that anyone—whether a boy or a girl—can achieve anything.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be…_You_and_Me

    And we wonder where the tranny hysteria and pussy hats came from.

  18. But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

    That seems to be the conventional wisdom about every kind of social engineering.

    Since social engineering itself is relatively new, could this just be one of the religious beliefs of social engineering — that whatever is tried must be right and good and only fails if not tried “good and hard” enough?

    – Because only what is good and must be true is tried?

  19. IHTG says:

    It’s not just women. Liberal modernity is a machine for human unhappiness. This is reactionaries’ greatest argument and one they don’t use nearly enough. In fact it really is the reason why one ought to be a reactionary.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. @Tyrion 2

    Milennial women:

    What would your Grandma say?

    Sadly, White Millennial women would most likely be stuck with “cool” grannies who wouldn’t have anything useful to say. Women who are now our grandmothers have been on the same fifty year ride as the rest of society. Hillary Clinton is a grandmother.

  21. The Z Blog says: • Website

    “It’s interesting that the current wave of feminism is now 49 years old”

    Wut?

    Third wave feminism got going in the 1990′s, driven by Gen X women. Fourth wave feminism is the current spasm, starting this decade by millennials.

    • Replies: @Toddy Cat
  22. Off topic but here’s an interesting op-ed:

     In light of the Pittsburgh shooting, John Podhoretz argues the real problem for American Jews is miscegenation:

    “The only true threat to the Jewish people from the American experiment comes not from hate but from love. The problem for American Jews, the late Irving Kristol used to say, isn’t that they want to kill us, but that they want to marry us. Our difficulty is maintaining the separateness necessary to the continuation of the Jews as a people — because America has so taken us to its bosom.”

    https://nypost.com/2018/10/29/what-i-learned-as-an-american-jew-after-the-pittsburgh-synagogue-attack/

    ..

  23. Dtbb says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I wonder what a fish’s bicycle seat smells like?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  24. neutral says:

    What was the exact event that started feminism 49 years ago?

  25. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    H/T to the Woke Capital account

    https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-go-avoid-discrimination-shopping-commentary/#ftag=COS-05-10aaa0j

    This isn’t paranoia: shopping while black is real. We get profiled as soon as the door chimes and announces our arrival in a store.

    I was dubious at best when I first heard about Amazon Go, and not just about the technology. The idea of walking into a store, taking an item or several off the shelves and strolling right back out again boggled my mind. It ran counter to everything I had learned about being black and shopping. Technology is great and all, but could I really put aside my decades of baggage and become comfortable enough to just literally grab and go?

    Apu hates Africans

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @anon
  26. Carol says:

    Geeze all it meant to me (esp Friedan) was to take care of myself rather than waiting for a man to do it. Which is what my parent taught me: look nice, talk nice and maybe a man will come along…and living hollywood-adjacent as we were, maybe you’ll be discovered!! That was the female wisdom of the time. Pure passivity.

    It was just a good talking-to for those of us with such poor guidance.

    But then they went on to shit on everything else too. They never stop.

  27. “… it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.”

    Wow … you went there.

  28. JEG says:

    Lately, I have been reading an occasional article about the negative consequence of the #metoo movement on women. In work situations, men are becoming more and more reluctant to hire, mentor and travel with women. In dating situations, men are becoming more and more reluctant to initiate sex. The women seem to get especially annoyed when men tell them that they now have to be the initiators or there will be no sex.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    , @Anon
  29. Barnard says:

    The problem with this proposal is that by evidence you would want to use data that could be measured about the quality of women’s lives. Women will just want to talk about how they feel about feminism. For those who treat it as a religion, their feelings will override any evidence it isn’t helping their lives.

  30. Travis says:

    Feminism is 100 years old…we passed the 19th amendment in 1920. It seems that the Great War killed off western civilization and spawned feminism and the fall of the west.

    What has come to be called the First wave of the feminist movement began in the mid 19th century and lasted until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920, which gave women the right to vote. For the United States to survive as a nation we will need to repeal the 19th amendment. It will then be fairly easy to end birthright citizenship, build a wall , end sanctuary cities etc….Congress will be filled with Conservatives like Steve Sailer and Trump will be seen as a moderate Democrat.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Olorin
    , @dfordoom
  31. More lithium in the water would help.

  32. jim jones says:

    I was out helping with Halloween yesterday and it seems to me that women are happy when surrounded by hordes of screaming kids.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  33. Yeah alot of women seem totally lost and miserable. Men can generally be happy, regardless of the situation.

    Men without kids are just stuck in bachelor mode for their whole lives: they just golf and drink beer, but they’re not necessarily miserable or crazy. Women are crazy with kids; when they have no kids they just seem to crumble. I can think of very few working women who are actually content.

    But try young women – old women are alot more stable. When this current generation of young women comes around… YIKES (Gen z white males are actually more stable than many gen x btw).

  34. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You seem like someone I would like to be friends with and hang out with in real life. Even if you are in my opinion too defensive and have blind spots on subjects related to Jews. But maybe that’s something we could discuss.

    For whatever reason, single women always pick me out and tell me everything about their inner thoughts and private lives at social occasions.

    What are the questions you ask of them and comments you make to engage them and have a conversation?

    Almost always there are tears and a past history of easily resolvable bad decisions.

    What are some of the things they have considered to be bad decisions?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anon
  35. @Tyrion 2

    She’s probably levelled up [British??] to 80 and you’re at 30, so don’t you think you might listen to her rather than doing the opposite?

    Tyrion, the quit-listening-to-your-elders thing started, well, right about 49 years ago, interestingly, as in “don’t trust anyone over 30″. The young people figured since the older generations were wrong about some things (as they were), then it wasn’t worth listening to them about anything. How’s that been working out for them?

    Now, for their kids it’s “do as I say, not as I did. You need to listen to me, not that old lefty claptrap about ‘don’t trust anyone over 30′ that my generation said. That was wrong, so listen to your parents now.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  36. @Tyrion 2

    I think single men do the same though. They do in my office at least. They just hang around and pour their hearts out to attractive young women in cubicles. It’s sad, but I can understand why they do it. Female co workers are a captive audience. They have to sit in their cube or office until 5pm and they have to be cordial for professional reasons. They can’t just blow you off and leave the bar. One very pretty married lady is constantly bombarded with single male co workers that share every random detail about their lives with her. But I’ve seen a pic of her husband and he is vastly more attractive than any of these office guys. In a social environment, the same girl wouldn’t give them the time of day. But in the office, single guys get to have her listen to them and make supportive comments. I imagine that’s restoring for them.

    Anyways, I support all sexual harassment conventions. I love having a lot of money and not being harassed by random pathetic dudes while I acquire it. So fwiw, I’m genuinely really happy.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Johnny Smoggins
  37. Lugash says:
    @Almost Missouri

    National Public Radio reports that African men don’t support their own kids; burden falls upon babymama and grandmama.

    Steve’s “you’re not supposed to notice African and African American family patterns are the same” in action.

    • LOL: Buck Ransom
  38. Helluva comment, TheBoom!

  39. BB753 says:

    Women can never be totally happy. Their main problem is that they are unwilling to compromise. They want their cake and eat it too.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Flip
    , @Neil Templeton
  40. Bill H says: • Website

    But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

    Conventional wisdom applies that to pretty much everything. If it isn’t working then do it with greater intensity and it will work. Look at how well that has turned out for us with drone strikes and the “war on terror.”

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Forbes
  41. Regardless of how we define our terms, it’s a safe bet that “feminism” will make some fraction of women “happier”—perhaps much happier—than they otherwise would be. If we compare women with a strong genetic inclination to promiscuity (not a small faction!) with women given to (or “designed” for) monogamy to the same degree, it’s hard to say the former are not better off under the current feminist regime, and the latter worse off. Indeed, the former are often the strongest proponents of feminism (up there with the much rarer man-hating lesbian type), collectively bringing more firepower to the cause than their numbers alone might suggest. Sex is the highest octane motivator.

    Though they would never admit it, even to themselves, their concern about equality in the abstract is mostly subterfuge (what does a slut care about abstract reasoning?), valued primarily as the angle with which they sense instinctively they can draw into their coalition the larger cohort of women for whom resentment and envy provide far stronger motivational fuel than sex.

    One could say that the larger the coefficient of a woman’s “number and intensity of orgasms” term in her “happiness function,” the more likely she is happier under the current regime, particularly after the cyber revolution, e.g. anonymous dating apps vs. partners previously confined to an often-judgmental social circle; e.g. unlimited streaming pornography vs. its past availability only in seedy theatres and curtained-off sections at video stores; anonymous online ordering of virtually unlimited kinds of sex toys, etc.). Many women are simply far more at home in a world where their desire for sexual thrills and a variety of partners is (for the first time in civilized history) neither limited, shamed, nor punished.

  42. MNL says:

    Relevant academic article: The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness

    In brief, two Wharton profs show how women’s happiness between 1972 – 2006 as measured by the GSS and Eurobarometer survey has trended downward in a statistically significant way while men’s happiness has remained flat. This results in a happiness gap.

  43. White women voters in European Christian nations want a political leader with crazy balls to crack some phucking skulls.

    The White women want political actions taken that will benefit them and their families and they want the primordial satisfaction of seeing enemies get the shit smashed out of them. On your shield or carrying it, said the ancient broad to warrior hubby going off to war.

    I refuse to get dragged into this broad-bashing frenzy even though it is highly tempting to go after some of these over-educated White globalizer broads like Hillary Clinton, Barbara Comstock, Elizabeth Warren and many others.

    If you do go after these broads, you must make it clear to the other White dames that you are only hammering on these globalizer broads because they are evil harpies who are actively attacking decent and patriotic White women.

    White women were the voter cohort that pushed Trumpy over the top in the states Trumpy needed to win.

    White women want mass immigration halted and illegal aliens deported.

    White women know that mass immigration lowers wages, increases housing costs, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases income inequality, causes urban sprawl and harms the environment.

    White women know that mass immigration brings crime, multicultural mayhem, Islamic Terrorism and infectious diseases to the United States.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  44. I have to ask, why are my comments stuck awaiting moderation for so long?

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @dr kill
    , @kaganovitch
  45. After a Half Century of Feminism, Are Women Happy?

    How would they know?

    Women are constantly told that they can Have It All – a fulfilling career, a caring husband, exceptional children, etc, and that when they don’t get it all, it must be the fault of some (preferably white) guy.

    The reality is that most work is just that – work. Much of it is stupid and boring and certainly not fulfilling all the time. Marriages are imperfect and children can be a crap shoot. Guys have known this forever, and women like the above mentioned grandmother knew it too. 50 years of feminist propaganda has poisoned women’s minds and set them up for almost certain disappointment.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    , @Forbes
  46. TG says:

    So women want strong men who will take charge and be aggressive and successful – but really, they also want men who won’t beat them or hurt their children and be considerate etc.

    And men want women who are sexy and dangerous, and they also want women who are kind and good mothers etc.

    So men and women are really they same. They simultaneously want opposite things in their lovers. And the human mind is a complicated beast.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Autochthon
  47. eric says:

    It’s a constant of human nature that most people want something that is not what they need. Thus they are disappointed by the result and then ask for more. This is best seen w/ poverty, in that giving the poor stuff–food, housing, even money–does not help. For example, the island of Nauru blessed those 10k people with great mineral wealth, but within a generation, they simply spent all their money, and are now without any human or social capital.

    The problem is that there are clearly cases where giving the poor stuff, or men being more sensitive to women’s needs, makes sense. The key is not to extrapolate these remedies to everyone at every time. Women need the discipline men bring to them as much as vice versa, and often this causes pain, no one likes discipline. That’s life.

  48. White women wanted all illegal alien invaders deported and they wanted a wall built on the border between the United States and Mexico.

    Trumpy promised to deport the illegal alien invaders and build the wall.

    Trumpy has been disappointing on immigration.

    Tweet from 2015 — Snertly was proven correct:

  49. Flip says:
    @Almost Missouri

    If you’re not sure they are in fact your kids, why bother? r/K.

  50. @Tyrion 2

    Society’s viciousness towards males is so beyond the failures in meeting the needs and desires and women. Add to it the establishment promotion of bigotry towards white males and the question of why to care about this country and the West in general presents itself. Why not even celebrate the decline and collapse.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  51. But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

    Just like socialism.

    I know, I know. Call me Captain Obvious.

  52. @Almost Missouri

    I rarely listen to NPR, but happened to dial in for Terri Gross when she was interviewing some lefty windbag bitching about gerrymandering.

    Because of the long hiatus, kind of like when you haven’t seen someone’s little kids in a while, the first thing that struck me was how utterly deflated Gross sounded: the slow exhale before she propped herself up to line up the next belabored question after another up-talking monologue from this poof presumably sitting across from her, delivering his re-tread rote hossanas from script.

    There is no mistaking the signature emasculated NPR voice and the vocal fry of menapausal shrikes who ride them. It’s like fingernails on a chalkboard these days.

    But I’m not tired of winning yet.

    • Replies: @dr kill
  53. kihowi says:

    With feminism the same thing applies that applies to dealing with women in general:

    Never listen to WHAT they say, ever.

    Only listen to the WAY in which they say it. That’s what’s being communicated. Whatever a woman is saying is the sound she’s making while she’s communicating an emotion. It’s a side effect.

    Feminism’s goal is to communicate “we are unhappy with you”. Asking whether 150 years of feminism has made women happier is Not Getting It.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  54. @Almost Missouri

    “Hear Me Roar … while I’m digging for tubers with a pointed stick to survive”

    That was the actual lioness stalking said forager while she had her back turned, scrounging for said tubers. Incidentally, this is also why they need fertility rates to remain so high. Besides Diversity.

  55. Clyde says:

    WAY OT:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6333281/The-haunting-remains-Stalins-railway-death-300-000-gulag-prisoners-died-building.html

    Stalin’s railway of death: Haunting photos reveal the remains of a train line that 300,000 gulag prisoners died trying to build in -50C temperatures
    New Zealand-based photographer Amos Chapple journeyed to derelict gulags in the Siberian wilderness
    The unnamed sites are located next to the unfinished Salekhard-Igarka Railway, dreamt up by Joseph Stalin
    Prisoners from the Soviet gulag system were forced to work on the project in brutal conditions
    By SADIE WHITELOCKS FOR MAILONLINE
    PUBLISHED: 08:52 EDT, 1 November 2018

    These haunting photographs reveal the rotting carcasses of Soviet gulags and a partially built railway where up to 300,000 prisoners died, with their remains still buried in the soil.

    Strewn across the Siberian wilderness, just below and above the Arctic Circle, prisoners at these horrific camps were forced to work on a train line dreamt up by Joseph Stalin – the Salekhard-Igarka Railway. His aides knew it was a pointless scheme mapped out in terrain that was impossible to work with, but dared not tell him.

    The gulags, part of a network of more than 100 scattered across Russia, were photographed by New Zealand-based Radio Free Europe photographer Amos Chapple, who was tipped off about the macabre mausoleums by an adventurer friend.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  56. Knox says:
    @eric

    Well stated. Feminism has clearly been very detrimental to the well being and mental health of females. 30% if American women are currently taking anti-depressants , fewer and fewer are getting married…while 15% if boomer females will die childless , 21% of Gen X and 28% of millennial females will never have children.

  57. But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

    What if the purpose of second wave feminism was to nearly double the pool of labor and thereby drive down wages, increase demand for consumer goods, undermine the social authority of men, atomize people into radical individuals rather than members of families and distinct communities, and increase the number of clients for the welfare state rather than to make women happy?

    Would we call it a failure in that event?

    • Replies: @dwb
    , @MBlanc46
  58. Liza says:

    Are women happier? No. But men are, with the easy availability of birth control pills, IUDs, etc. for the dummies they love to pork. Women are harmed by these vain, silly poisons (though too stupid to see it), but men surely appreciate them, as it makes fkg easier than it was in the olden days.

  59. Precious says:

    It is almost like we human beings are flawed creatures with an innate capacity for great evil that requires us to be subject to the enforcement of strict moral laws in order to enjoy the fruits of civilization.

    Crazy talk, I know

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  60. says:

    Steve, as usual you are an amazing reporter, writer, and courageous man.

    With all due respect to men who are good and fair and true patriots, one an American and one a Canadian, our hos Ron Unz, a true American, and Henry Makow, a true and decent man, and for a Canadian that is impressive. Forgive me please all those north of the US!!

    Feminism was instituted almost exclusively by Jewish people. Add in the media backing for this agenda, as with, also, the homosexual agenda, and you have a VERY BAD SOCIETY, to quote the part Jewish Sebastian Junger, an “INHUMAN SOCIETY” he is another very interesting man.

    The DESTRUCTION of America and every other White homeland was by design and with malice aforethought. And it APPEARS that the majority of the Jewish community agrees with these efforts.
    I have known Jewish fellows who were down and out White boys, but they seem to be in a minority.

    It seems as if Edward Bernays, Freud’s nephew. knew how to manipulate White minds.

    White women are DRINKING themselves to death, Whites, male and female killing themselves at record levels. I got the information from the well-known neo-Nazi publication the Washington Post.

    DESTROYING the white men and women, ABORTION killing 55,000,000 babies…
    MOTHERS killing their BABIES.

    And let me end with a quote that shows you what we have lost and that is a JUDGEMENT that demands a verdict…

    And once upon a time, in a land called America, the people would come in from their mountain cabins, farms, and mill towns with their young ones to joy in the closeness of community on warm sultry summer nights. The American dream was never about grand mansions, designer wear, exotic vacations, health clubs, silicone implants, Viagra love affairs, fortress malls, boutiques, forever war, the prison industry, or slave labor junk stores. It was about a man being able to make a living for his family. It was about a simple life of small town living, where people congregated on Main Street for the Fourth of July parade. It was about swimming holes, country lanes, fields of corn, teachers who challenged the young to greater heights (not social engineering! ), doctors (not technocrats), marshland songs, a whippoorwill, splashing streams, and woodlands with secret paths. It was about rain washed streets; where barefoot children splashed in puddles, blew magic bubbles, caught fireflies, and played hide-and-seek long into a muggy summer’s night. It was about concerts in the park, the clink of milk bottles, and visits to Grandma’s house; with her blue hair, flowered dress, and flour dusted apron. It was about the certainty of love with the slamming of a screen door, a child running in flowered meadows, and at day’s end, neighbors gathered on darkened porches, holding tight the wonderment of the day. It was about Hometown.
    — Judith Moriarty

  61. PrudeDude says:

    Quick thoughts and questions:

    - Aren’t millennials delaying sex? Even if it’s because they have roommates as the result of being financially fleeced by the Boomers, isn’t this still a step in the right direction?

    - As for preferring “irresponsible males”, I can’t help but think a dysfunctional Welfare State and birth control plays huge roles in this. Woman has been inoculated to the economic consequences of being a receptacle for the local bartender and the like. She is socialized to date these guys in her 20′s, so she never becomes accustomed to dating the upstanding, responsible guy. The results are predictable: either single mom or Sunday day-drinking with other childless women.

    - Anyone who is on the West Coast can basically attest Asian women are displacing White women as partners for upwardly mobile White guys. The guys like the low drama, femininity, and intelligence.

    - People fret about the coming AI revolution — i.e., the driverless cars will displace truck drivers. Think a much more likely scenario is that AI hits female jobs really hard — clerical work, paper processing and the like.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  62. Seek says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Women naturally gravitate toward alpha males. They have never needed lessons from feminists in this respect. Feminism hasn’t made women miserable. It is simply femininity unleashed.

  63. @Tyrion 2

    This.

    When my beloved wife and I argue and it gets bad, I always invoke a call to her mother. “Let’s call your mom; she’s a disinterested third party and a wise woman we both respect; let’s she what she says.”

    The look of terror in her eyes the size of saucers tells it all. She knows damned good and well her mom will say something to the effect of “Your husband is a very good man who busts his ass to treat you like a princess. Shut the Hell up and make him a sandwich, then say ‘Thank you.’”

    I’ve remarked elsewhere in this forum how matrons who know better are the natural allies of good men, and I reiterate it. Fellas: Talk to her mom. That will set her straight tout de suite.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Rosie
  64. BenKenobi says:
    @Tyrion 2

    the misery that feminism has wrought on educated milennial women is actually really awful

    I’m sure we can all relate a few anecdotes from personal experience. Many such cases. Sad!

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  65. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:

    To propose an answer to the question stated in the title, as with everything else socially and economically in the past 50 years, total female happiness may have remained constant but it is now much more unequally distributed.

    Before 50 years ago most women could look forward to marriage and family. That probably led to a general level of basic fulfillment for most but was certainly lacking in fun, freedom, creativity, drama, etc. Today many women get no marriage and some get no family, while some others get to have boundless fun, attention, support/coddling and then marriage and family. The former are worse off and the latter are better off. Which side an individual falls on is a sharp function of looks, wealth, and other random variables of birth.

    A parallel situation exists for men.

    • Replies: @Little spoon
  66. Off Topic but iStevey:

    If control of the House of Representatives comes down to a few close California races, it could be Thanksgiving before we know who won.

    It takes California forever to count the ballots in closes races.

  67. @TG

    There is even a part of the human brain that appears to be dedicated to helping us hold simultaneously opposed views.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  68. L Woods says:
    @BB753

    The desire to compromise comes from an understanding that failure to do so jeapordizes the entire cake. Such an understanding requires an intellectual capacity to think multiple abstract steps ahead: something they lack. It also comes from a temperament that isn’t purely solipsistic: something else they lack.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  69. @Jim Don Bob

    I think the excuses for the Failure of Feminism is the same as for the Failure of Socialism.

    Many here might find this hard to believe, but the explanation is that True Feminism, outside of maybe Denmark or Finland where all women are empowered and happy, hasn’t “really been implemented, yet.”

    • LOL: Liza
  70. What Makes Women Happy?

    What brings joy to the hearts of all women is when a middle aged bald guy with stinky feet grades them on their attractiveness and succulence like they were a mug of beer or a juicy steak.

    Trumpy might pick a beautiful broad named Heather Nauert as the new UN ambassador to replace the globalizer goon Nikki Haley.

    Heather Nauert is built like a brick ale house with wonderful curves and a strong, solid womanly frame. She is almost 50, but she could wear a bikini with the best of them. Heather Nauert’s body is damn nice.

    Nauert has wide-set eyes and beautiful cheekbones and she has a lovely chin that many good looking Kraut women seem to have. I bet she has her own original nose, too.

    Heather Nauert Seems To Be A Hot German Sweety From The Great Lakes States

    The mid-term elections are boring as all Hell and I am writing about UN ambassadors.

    I will be damn happy when the mid-term elections are over and the presidential races begin!

  71. After a Half Century of Feminism, Are Women Happy?

    No. And neither are men, to be fair.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  72. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Just not enough lithium in the water, I keep telling you.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  73. @Liza

    Are women happier? No. But men are, with the easy availability of birth control pills, IUDs, etc. for the dummies they love to pork. Women are harmed by these vain, silly poisons (though too stupid to see it), but men surely appreciate them, as it makes fkg easier than it was in the olden days.

    There’s a difference between stimulating nerve endings more frequently and with more variety and the state of happiness.

    Certainly, men want sex, but man cannot live on sex alone. What makes most men happy is to be needed and desired, to earn the respect of a woman, and to provide for the essential material needs of a woman and family. Sex is certainly a big part of this – it is necessary but not sufficient.

    While feminism has certainly stripped women of their femininity and feminine roles which are preconditions to happiness for most women, it has done the same thing but in mirror image to men as well.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  74. Heather Nauert Is A Potential UN Ambassador For The Trump Administration

    Heather Nauert May Have German Ancestry

    Almost All Germans Love Beer

    Heather Nauert Enjoys A Beer

    Beer Makes Women Happy

  75. @Bill H

    Favorite quote in that regard:
    We went to war to get rid of 5,000 Al Qaeda. We’ve so far killed 10,000 of them, and there are now only 20,000 left.

  76. Flip says:
    @BB753

    Women can never be totally happy. Their main problem is that they are unwilling to compromise. They want their cake and eat it too.

    “Women want fried ice.”
    -Arab proverb

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
  77. Lummard says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Funny how this is spinned as a feminist perspective when it’s actually about women having to support themselves because of absent fathers.

  78. Someone else linked to the article about declining female happiness. I will add more on top of that.

    There are theoretically two ways to improve yourself. You can build your strengths, or address your weaknesses. Men, generally, will focus on building on Strengths. Women, generally, Will focus on fixing their weaknesses. Obviously, it’s best to do a bit of both.

    Over the last 40 years, women have taken on so many more roles and responsibilities that they have a lot more areas in which to be weak. Because the default method of self improvement in women is addressing weaknesses, the growth in responsibility, from paid work to helicopter parenting, has left them not only physically exhausted, but mentally worn out and feeling like failures.

    No wonder female unhappiness has risen.

  79. Forbes says:

    I think we want a society filled with people–not just men–being responsible for their own well-being, i.e. ordering their lives so as not to be a burden on others, on society. Society itself, need not–in fact, cannot–be responsible or irresponsible, as responsibility is a self-interest. As a self-interest, the obligation of responsibility changes as the measure of the trade-offs are weighed by the actor assuming that responsibility.

    But as some/many have made children and their mothers (and often themselves) a burden to others, to society, the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by women for fairness and niceties results in TheBoom’s responsible society where personal responsibility is offloaded to society.

    It is the ordering of this ‘responsible society’ which creates the sorts of distortionary incentives and penalties TheBoom describes, if only because society can only (realistically) implement one-size-fits-all solutions, whereas a man responsible for himself, his wife and children makes decisions for which he benefits from or suffers the consequences.

    Unfortunately, the responsible society has taken upon itself to assume that negative consequences are to be mitigated, in whole or in part, therefore increasing the burden on society–adding to the distortions, resulting in more irresponsible personal behavior–and the cycle continues. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    So yes, you need to live in a less responsible society.

  80. @TG

    So women want strong men who will take charge and be aggressive and successful – but really, they also want men who won’t beat them or hurt their children and be considerate etc.

    This is a completely wholesome and consistent desire, actually. The trouble is women make shitty choices discerning the huge difference between a Baldwin IV or Robert Edward Lee or or Andrew Jackson and a Ghengis Khan or Mohammad, etc.

    The first lot were tender and loving husbands and fathers – okay, Baldwin was single and childless perforce! – who would (and did!) beat the living shit out of all comers to defend and provide for the one woman they wed and vowed to protect and love (and the society that was best for that woman). The second sort are the kinds stupid women are chasing because they cannot make important distinctions.

  81. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    What are the questions you ask of them and comments you make to engage them and have a conversation?

    That’s situation dependent, but people talk if you ask them open questions and actively listen. Saying what they’re afraid to admit to themselves is the real dark art though. Or at least I like to think so.

    What are some of the things they have considered to be bad decisions?

    Going crazy over the wrong men predominates. Other things include not recognising failing friendships, moving cities/countries and health/overeating/loneliness.

    You seem like someone I would like to be friends with and hang out with in real life. Even if you are in my opinion too defensive and have blind spots on subjects related to Jews. But maybe that’s something we could discuss.

    Well, if you live in London…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  82. Lurker says:
    @Sultan Bigwheel

    Young & hot, it’s all good – feminism empowers them. Then they hit the wall and it all goes sour, cat lady status arrives. They still back feminism out of resentment at The Man who has put them in this position

  83. Jordan Peterson addresses this in his talks with feminists, although he doesn’t really say it bluntly enough. In order to find meaning and purpose in life, people have to have lots of responsibilities. Sometimes this means difficult and irritating responsibilities. “Rights” won’t make us happy or fulfilled, but living up to our challenges in life will.

    In the past, women had few rights and tons of responsibility. Now it’s flipped with feminism. We have all these rights, but have turned our backs on so much of what really gives us meaning. Of course I’m referring to husbands, homes, and children. Women have always worked outside the home to some degree, and likely always will. But our primary job is to be keepers of our homes, and as feminism makes that less desirable, or less feasible, we suffer the anxiety and depression of neglecting that which we are designed for.

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
  84. Lot says:

    Jair gives his first foreign interview to an Israeli newspaper:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/11/01/president-elect-of-brazil-promises-israel-can-count-on-our-vote/

    The Bibi Block keeps on growing!

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  85. Tyrion 2 says:
    @BEER/ we're all going to die

    I think you’re right but that isn’t how men are supposed to communicate and people don’t normally respond well to it if you do.

    I wish it were otherwise.

    Given this, and I’ve not read it, but Peterson’s 12 rules seems like a useful self help book.

    “God, give me the grace to accept that which I cannot change” (probably society). But you can work on yourself.

  86. Forbes says:
    @Bill H

    Conventional wisdom applies that to pretty much everything. If it isn’t working then do it with greater intensity and it will work. Look at how well that has turned out for us with drone strikes and the “war on terror.”

    Not quite. In war–dominate (crush) your opposition into submission, destroy their will to continue their cause, be unrelenting until until they are vanquished, or unconditional surrender is achieved.

    Anything less is a mission without a purpose–war without end.

    Perhaps there’s a lesson regarding feminism waging a war they can’t possibly win…

  87. The worst thing that feminists have done for women everywhere is to raise the next generation of men to be weak deliberately ! They set out to feminize their sons as part of the new liberal child rearing regime. Yet ironically, these weak guys are just the kind of men women aren’t attracted to. Way to go feminists, you have ruined the dating pool for your daughters.

    I went to an Air Show on a military base in my town not too long ago, and it was a breath of fresh air to witness the controlled masculinity on display. This is what men are suppose to be like – strong, healthy, and confident. And yet your average feminist would them call “toxic”. What a disgrace!

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  88. notanon says:

    You can’t win.

    well we could run an experiment on that

    1) put the banking mafia in jail alongside the politicians they corrupted and the media
    2) re-arrange the economy around affordable family formation
    3) see if the 1950s come back

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Pericles
  89. nebulafox says:
    @PrudeDude

    >Aren’t millennials delaying sex? Even if it’s because they have roommates as the result of being financially fleeced by the Boomers, isn’t this still a step in the right direction?

    I don’t think we’re delaying it, per se, just having less of it. Kind of hard to focus on your romantic life when you’ve got so much else going on, as is no doubt music to the ears of Our Betters.

    Also, forget the MSM’s propaganda and breathless reporting about recent Tinder statistics: your average young person these days has a relationship-oriented streak that I don’t think the Boomers had in their 20s. It’s not that we have anything against casual sex or anything like that, given that we’re thoroughly post-Sexual Revolution, just that *on average*, we’d prefer steady, stable mates.

    >Anyone who is on the West Coast can basically attest Asian women are displacing White women as partners for upwardly mobile White guys. The guys like the low drama, femininity, and intelligence.

    It happens with other legacy American demographics, too. Downwardly mobile but non-shiftless former middle-class white guys regularly partner up with Hispanic women for the same reasons, and of course, black men with concrete prospects in life have been dating out for a long time now. Racial purists are fighting a losing battle.

    This isn’t limited to the US by a longshot. Russian women in the Far East prefer Chinese men who’ve emigrated for work because they drink less, are hyper-focused on education for the kids, and are generally more reliable and responsible. This has caused some pretty nasty tensions.

    >People fret about the coming AI revolution — i.e., the driverless cars will displace truck drivers. Think a much more likely scenario is that AI hits female jobs really hard — clerical work, paper processing and the like.

    I think both are going to be screwed.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  90. Forbes says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I dunno. Make a larger donation when the tin cup comes around…like what travelers do to jump the airport security line with TSA Pre…

  91. nebulafox says:
    @kihowi

    You *always* pay attention to what women do. Never to what they say.

    This needs to be impressed in the mind of every single boy when he’s growing up, for the sake of men and women alike.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
  92. Rosie says:

    Until there is a consensus on what the word “feminism” means, it is impossible to have a sensible conversation about it.

    All of this is nonsense, regardless of how you define “feminism”:

    Actually, you can but you need to live in a less responsible society to win. In responsible societies men, look after women which translates into trying to be fair and nice. Women manipulate responsible men’s desire to be fair into unfair advantages for women which you especially see in divorce laws and sexual harassment policies. This gives women power over men and causes them to lose respect for men then shit test men constantly. Nice men usually fail shit tests which causes women to want to import a new crop of men.

    In irresponsible societies men usually have mistresses and or multiple wives. Irresponsible men don’t give women special privileges in divorce, hiring or childcare which gives men more power and women more respect for men.

    Women may want a responsible man who makes them submit but prefer an irresponsible strong man to a weak and responsible man. Big world out there.

    Now, onto the much more interesting question of whether “feminism” will ever make women happy…

    If by feminism, you mean identical roles and responsibilities for women, then no, feminism will never make us happy. Ineed, it will make us miserable more often than not. This has nothing to do with any lack of respect for men or any “shit-test.” It is simply a matter of feeling inadequate and frustrated about having to do everything, and therefore doing nothing very well.

    OTOH, if “feminism” is understood in the broader sense, of a certain set of basic rights for women, then I would argue that women are indeed very satisfied with feminism so defined. As I have said elsewhere, the overwhelming majority of women are not making demands for special treatment. Rather, they hate affirmative action with a passion.

    Now, I do think there may be a problem with sexual harassment allegations, because lawyers tend to be very risk-averse. They do not advise their clients to be fair. They advise them to avoid liability at all costs. I don’t claim to have any easy answers, but I will say this. We can’t have powerful men extracting sexual favors from their subordinates, or their subordinates’ wives, as a condition of employment. That would be grossly unfair to subordinate men (who have no sexual favors to offer powerful men) as well as subordinate women.

    I can’t really comment on divorce. All I can say is that I still have seen no actual evidence for a bias against men in family court. In any event, I’m not really interested in making divorce more fair. I’m interested in making it more rare.

  93. @Anonymous

    I agree with this. I’ve seen women, sometimes the worst women, seem to get everything. One lady friend of mine had a “beta” husband she married young. I never met him but she said she divorced him because she felt no attraction to him. She then partied it up in business school and did what comes with that. She later ended up marrying a wealthy and handsome man. She now has children, makes 300k a year in the block chain world while working from home at her beach house. Time wth kids, lucrative career, attractive husband and time for flings beforehand. These women exist. Everyone else I know thinks she’s the meanest girl ever, but still, she has it all.

    Feminism probably just created a different set of winners and losers with the losers being those who didn’t have the foresight or discipline to marry a man who would make a good father when they had the chance.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  94. Art says:

    Feminists are selfish haters – without unique feminine love in our world – society will fail – period!

  95. Forbes says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I think the only women I know who are happy are either delusional or their children are out of the house, on their way, and mother’s work is done.

    Feminism has indoctrinated (many/most) women into believing their life is useless if they are a mother and homemaker to their children and husband, and only has value when they are gainfully employed.

    So women are unhappy, as always looking for what coulda been: the homemaker wondering if employment would be more fulfilling, the employed wanting to spend more time with her children.

    More choices don’t lead to happiness…

  96. L Woods says:
    @tanabear

    Well no kidding. I’d be happy if I could work 2 hours a day without social sanction too.

  97. nebulafox says:
    @Lot

    Well, given what is happening in Western Europe with the Left + the Muslim demographic and their invariably anti-Semitic views, Israel’s strategy of focusing on the non-Western European world in foreign policy has proven to be quite prescient. Brazil’s just one more chip on the counter. Outside of the Arab World, the real important things are having the genuine ideological sympathy of Russia and India, as well as the benevolent neutrality of China.

    I don’t know what Israel’s going to do when the old guard of the Democratic Party keels over and is replaced by people with absolutely none of the American political Judeophilia that has been normative among American whites for several decades, should they put somebody in the White House, but they’ll at least have options. In that case, good thing that they aren’t pinned solely with the US as in the early 70s, because Bibi is pretty firmly put with Putin and Orban and the rest as IMPERIALIST NASTY by the New Left, and any of his Likud successors are just going to be more hardline. As for some neo-Trumpist taking power, he’s probably not going to treat Israel like the 51st state a la Trump or Dubya, as AIPAC’s foreign policy antics have grown unpopular even with GOP base voters (as the debates in 2016 showed), but he’s going to leave them to their own devices within their borders given the general foreign policy realism that predominates on the New Right, and that’s the important thing as far as Israeli interests are concerned. I’m assuming here that the Bush/Rove era GOP is virtually dead (i.e, has no shot in hell of winning an election again) and only survives as an echo in policy thanks to inertia and Trump’s limited attention span.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Bill Jones
  98. Rosie says:
    @Autochthon

    When my beloved wife and I argue and it gets bad, I always invoke a call to her mother. “Let’s call your mom; she’s a disinterested third party and a wise woman we both respect; let’s she what she says.”

    This is an excellent point. I firmly believe that every couple needs mutually agreeable elders to mediate disputes from time to time.

  99. dr kill says:

    What makes women happy? Being thoroughly rogered. Same as men, except we admit it. Be much less frustration when those Jap sex dolls get here.

  100. @Sultan Bigwheel

    I think the percentage of women who truly have libidos and the desire for no-strings sexual variety on par with men’s is infinitesimal. They exist, but could not constitute any significant social constituency much less sustain a decades old social movement. Many or most of these are probably chasing some salve for a psychological trauma by performing promiscuity.

    Even among slatterns and strippers there is a dissonance between the social persona and their interior lives. Women derive esteem from being widely desired for their looks and it is enough for the vast majority of women to have elicited some expression of desire from men – they need not to have actually engaged in intercourse with each man to “prove” that the desire was real in such a way as to raise their esteem. (For men, I think actual consummation is often necessary to “prove” the sincerity of female desire). It seems to be a category error to confuse women competing for male sexual attention in a society “sexually liberated” by feminism with a real desire on the part of women to have lots of anonymous and n0-strings sex.

    In other words, 99+% of women are simply behaving in ways which while undermining their happiness and fulfillment are packaged to them via mass media as status-enhancing and a (false) path to happiness. They’re passive participants being acted upon while being deluded into believing that they’re making affirmative choices in their interests.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  101. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Little spoon

    I think single men do the same though.

    I recently caught up with a bloke I knew from a long time ago. He does this. He also falls in immediate love with any passably attractive girl who shows him some attention. The doctors have actually prescribed him some aphetamines to help him stop fantasising and focus more. This is a strange situation…

    Anyway, I’m going to set up him with one of the afore-mentioned girls and build him into a big deal in her eyes. And he is a big deal really: smart, sweet and perfectly decent looking.

    It’ll be fun. I won’t let him profess his love and I won’t let her get creeped out by his niceness. We shall see.

    Anyways, I support all sexual harassment conventions. I love having a lot of money and not being harassed by random pathetic dudes while I acquire it. So fwiw, I’m genuinely really happy.

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @Little spoon
    , @nebulafox
  102. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    The desire to compromise comes from an understanding that failure to do so jeapordizes the entire cake. Such an understanding requires an intellectual capacity to think multiple abstract steps ahead: something they lack. It also comes from a temperament that isn’t purely solipsistic: something else they lack.

    Yet more outrageous slander against women with no basis whatsoever in empirical reality.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Anon
  103. BB753 says:
    @Flip

    That’s a good one, lol! Say what you will about Arabs and Muslims, but they understand women better than modern Westerners.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  104. @Tyrion 2

    I totally get why the chicks dig you.

  105. dr kill says:
    @Mark P Miller

    Haha, is Diane Rehm still shaking the microphone ?

  106. Altai says:

    It’s interesting to note that the man J.K. Rowling’s chose to be the father of her child was a Portuguese man who was physically abusive to her, leading her to take her daughter and move back to Edinburgh despite the fact that this now made her a single mother on benefits with no job prospects.

    Coincidentally, Emma Watson who played the author insert in the Harry Potter films has been pilloried for saying that men should embrace their feminine side and not be concerned with masculinity yet made a rich rugger bugger with presumably not a very unmasculine personality either.

    We live in such an age of inequity that revealed preferences seem to be everywhere.

  107. BB753 says:
    @Rosie

    Isteve, where nazis and mysoginists hang out! Lol!

  108. phil says:

    Steve,

    To answer the question of your blog post directly: Betsey Stevenson (National Bureau of Economic Research) found that in all Western industrialized societies the happiness of women declined after 1970, both absolutely and relative to men.

  109. @stillCARealist

    Yes, I remember about 40 years ago at the beginning of feminism thinking what a good life the women around me had even though they were advocating feminism. I remember thinking “be careful what you wish for.”

  110. dr kill says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I was just wondering how the Little Red Hen family was making out.

  111. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    Well no kidding. I’d be happy if I could work 2 hours a day without social sanction too.

    Quite possibly the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen on this site.

  112. dr kill says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    You said a no -no one time. You’ll get used to it.

  113. Rosie says:
    @BB753

    That’s a good one, lol! Say what you will about Arabs and Muslims, but they understand women better than modern Westerners.

    • LOL: BB753
  114. notanon says:
    @RCB

    did you buy your home when they were cheap?

  115. nebulafox says:
    @L Woods

    You’ve clearly never had kids.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  116. Rosie says:
    @jim jones

    I was out helping with Halloween yesterday and it seems to me that women are happy when surrounded by hordes of screaming kids.

    Yes, we are, but it’s very exhausting. We can’t deal with it 24/7.

  117. @Walsh2

    “To a certain extent, being unhappy makes women happy”
    Probably true, but not more so than in the case of men.

  118. notanon says:
    @Dr. X

    unless they have oil irresponsible societies don’t have the resources to do any of those things

  119. @Cagey Beast

    Those voices are Mel Brooks and Marlo Thomas.

    That project was like a nuclear depth charge dropped into the national unconsciousness.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  120. nebulafox says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Best of luck to him. Sounds like he isn’t a bad guy and with some fine-tuning, could make a pretty solid partner, but he’s got a major scarcity mentality going on (and unfortunately, for a lot of males, this is a very rational response to their lives, so you can’t just tell them “don’t have a scarcity mentality” without being scoffed at) and that the clinginess could destroy any relationship. From my experience, these guys getting into a relationship tends to lead to an all or nothing result: either it instantly fixes things by showing them the mundane realities of being in one combined with an end to the emotional starvation, or things implode due to the issues he brings in, and he gets even more self-destructive.

    Nobody wants to date a wreck, except other wrecks. Would have saved me a lot of trouble had I accepted this back when I was a wreck.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  121. notanon says:
    @neutral

    feminism is part of cultural Marxism – it was first implemented in Russia after 1917 but it was such a disaster (tens of thousands of unwanted kids on the streets) Stalin reversed it.

  122. @Alfred Clark

    These people really can complain about anything.

    First it was the Holocaust. Now it’s the Shiksacaust.

    • LOL: Rosie, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anon
  123. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:

    Feminism happened to coincide with the historical financial decline of the middle class. Many feminist women wanted to be able to stay home, raise children, and about the time their kids started becoming teenagers, be able to go back to work to earn enough to pay for the kid’s college and put away plenty of money for a comfortable and well-off retirement.

    What happened instead was that women were having to go back to work only weeks after childbirth just to be able to keep a roof over their heads. The prices of everything went up dramatically starting from the 1970s onwards, housing, cars, gas, college, etc, but wages did not keep up. Their husbands were sliding down the economic ladder and their wives had to work just to pay for the basics. This is not the world that feminists wanted, and it wasn’t what they expected to happen.

    It’s worth noting that if illegals had not been allowed into the country en masse from the 1980s onward, the feminist ideal might have actually have occurred. The average white family would have been much wealthier because the great demand for labor meant wages and salaries would have been higher.

    People tend to overlook (or forget) one very important fact. Feminism, at its most basic, means to most women the ability and freedom to generate wealth, and a lot of it. We tend to forget that before the 1970s, it was legal to refuse to hire women for jobs, and this created a lot of female rage because it meant many women would be forever poor or always having to beg for money from their husbands. Even if your husband was wealthy, it was galling to have to beg all the time if he was a penny-pincher because you had no source of cash of your own. People have no concept of what it’s like to be an adult, but still dependent on whims of another adult for your basic necessities. It’s annoying and infuriating. Having your own money gives you power and freedom from worry.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Desiderius
    , @Liza
  124. dwb says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I have asked this question more than once – wages for the vast majority have been stuck (or even declined) since about 1973 after adjusting for inflation. Right around the time that women began to enter into the workforce in numbers.

    Did their entry drive a huge increase in demand for products? Did it create a need for more jobs that was congruent to the number of new, let’s be frank, drones entering the job pool?

    Not one of the bright boy economists who insist that it’s tax cuts or globalization or oil prices or technology. Some of these of course make sense, but not one of them *ever* mentions that, if you increase the supply of workers by 50-60%, without a significant increase in the demand for workers, the resulting impact on wages will be utterly predictable…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  125. AnonAnon says:
    @Cagey Beast

    A major thematic message is that anyone—whether a boy or a girl—can achieve anything.

    I remember singing songs from Free to Be You and Me in grade school in the 70s. This was the feminism I grew up with – the I could be anything – doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc., all those high paying professional jobs that men were dominating were now open to me and my right to pursue. It wasn’t a bad message imo. It certainly worked out for me and my sister, we both went into engineering. But we also both got married and had kids. I decided to stay home after a couple of decades of working (I found work to be a lot of work and having kids and a family/husband made me more content than any job) and she is still working but I think we got the best of both worlds. Z Blog is right, the 3rd and 4th wave feminism is what is really making women unhappy now. For sure, the bs of “having it all” – career and kids – started the process because working full time with small children is overwhelming and it’s terribly demoralizing to outsource raising your baby to strangers, but the message that western women are still “oppressed”, men are the enemy and rapists, and sex “positivity”/whore around baloney have driven them around the bend. I don’t understand why the mothers and grandmothers of these women aren’t giving them some real life insights and straightening them out. My stay at home mother wasn’t exactly a feminist but she certainly embraced educating a woman so she could support herself if she needed to. Her dad had signed up to fight in WWII without consulting my grandmother first, despite being rather older and having a wife and kid and a protected job, and my mom keenly remembered those lean days. She told me she found letters my grandmother had written my grandfather during the war begging him to send money home. It was very important to her that her daughters never had to depend on a man for money, but we weren’t raised to see men as the enemy.

    It’s terrible how the most intelligent are educated out of their common sense these days. However, the elites must be doing some counter-programming at home since they seem to get married and reproduce.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  126. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @PrudeDude

    People fret about the coming AI revolution — i.e., the driverless cars will displace truck drivers. Think a much more likely scenario is that AI hits female jobs really hard — clerical work, paper processing and the like.

    This is a really interesting thought that probably deserves a post of its own. On one level it seems like a lot of the jobs women have exist primarily to give women jobs: the explosive growth of bureaucracy in all facets of life correlates strong with the entrance of women into the labor force. So I’m not sure you can automate a lot of these jobs because their primary purpose isn’t to do actual productive work but to employ women and give a human face to soulless corporate enterprises. Any job with “Coordinator” or “Human Resources” in the title is probably immune to automation.

    But that only covers women in the upper and middle classes down through to maybe the fringes of the working class (secretaries and such). The large (and growing!) number of working class women with service-sector jobs (retail, food service, many facets of healthcare) are probably more threatened by automation than any other group of people. It will be a long time before we have robot tradesmen and construction workers but automatic check-out/check-in/ordering already exists and becomes more common year by year. So basically the rich will take care of themselves and the poor will be completely fucked, as usual.

  127. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘Nice but shallow. The author is projecting North American/Western European attitudes & values. In reality, successful (more or less) societies like most eastern European, Israeli, east Asian etc., give high priorities to women, but women do not exploit their slightly privileged status…’

    You have a badly mistaken impression of Israel. Look up the statistics for sexual abuse, prostitution, etc.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  128. @Sultan Bigwheel

    “Many women are simply far more at home in a world where their desire for sexual thrills and a variety of partners is (for the first time in civilized history) neither limited, shamed, nor punished.”

    That certainly fits with the Roissy dick-tum that “The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality“, but the desire for thrills and a variety of partners isn’t anything like the male desire. Women tend to be a lot more choosy*, so you end up with 80% of women chasing the top 20% of men.

    Once, (Christian) society was very down on this sort of thing, with good reason.

    Now you can’t generally build a civilisation like this, because
    a) the bottom 80% of men don’t have a stake in it
    b) women won’t fancy being just another harem member unless the guy is really super-wealthy or super-alpha (like the Google “ownership” guy or a bike gang leader) – you can fool yourself you’ll snag that alpha all for you until you’re thirtysomething and the twentysomethings are ahead in the queue.

    White male suicide and drug ODs are rising and have been for decades
    Female mental illness is rising and has been for decades. One in six American women over the age of 12 is on antidepressants, that figure is one in 5 for 40-60 and one in 4 for over-60s.

    So I’m not sure how much “at home” women are.

    * as in rating 80% of men’s photos “below average” on OKCupid. If women’s sexuality was like men’s, the straight and gay scenes would be similar. They aren’t.

  129. backup says:
    @RCB

    I can understand that. But there must be an inkling that yours is an uncommon position. Even if you may not have personal experience, you may be aware that on the whole something is not right. There are many studies showing women getting more and more unhappy over the decennia. Care to consider those studies?

  130. njguy73 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    For whatever reason, single women always pick me out and tell me everything about their inner thoughts and private lives at social occasions.

    I don’t know what you do for a living, but have you thought about becoming a therapist? If people came to me with their problem, and I had the ability to listen and engage, I’d charge $150 an hour.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  131. Tulip says:

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that women were less happy.

    Would that harm the cause of feminism, or is it a negative feedback loop?

    It reminds me of racial politics. More racial politics => more interracial hatred and distrust => more racial politics.

  132. @Tyrion 2

    Peterson does teach “clean your room” and “wash your penis”. Thanks Dad. Sage blue-purple pill advice, at times. I’m looking forward to a book about his teachings that’s coming out this month, “Jordanetics”.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  133. In 1934 British scholar J D Unwin published a book on ‘Sex & Culture’ … Unwin, fascinated by Lenin’s disastrous experiment with easy divorce in Russia, began to historically investigate matters over the centuries … he concluded that, without fail, ‘women’s rights’ led to the eventual implosion & collapse of societies, as shown in repeated patterns including ancient Babylon & Rome

    Unwin said that gynarchic privileges eventually wreck the family arrangements that undergird civilisation, as it is only when males have stability with monogamous spouses, that civilisation can flower … if women have lots of ‘rights’ they sabotage marriages so they can go back to hunting one of the 20% of males who are ‘alpha’ in style, leaving most males to just be sources of state-extracted income

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  134. One can not be happy unless one is holy.

    One can not be happy unless one actualises the purpose for which one was created.

    One can not be happy unless one lives the virtues and avoids the vices.

    Now, just try telling the world those simple truths and watch all hell break loose.

  135. @Clyde

    Less Way OT

    St. Louis BBQ Becky calls authorities on women for running daycare while black.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6339371/Video-shows-fight-club-St-Louis-daycare.htm

    Article doesn’t mention if she asked to touch their hair.

  136. @neutral

    Generous welfare benefits for women who have bastard children and no fault divorce. (The Great Society)

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  137. L Woods says:
    @nebulafox

    No, but I’ve been one. I seem to recall being tied up 7 hours a day in school, followed by at least another hour in after-school activities. The husband will be sharing evening supervisory responsibilities and domestic work because “equality” (a one-way concept oddly enough, as the housewife won’t be sharing his work hours). With modern labor saving devices added to the mix, this is hardly a full time occupation.

  138. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow…this is bad

    https://communemag.com/alt-right-new-york/

    It’s well past time to put this “movement” out of its misery.

  139. @lhtness

    Doubling down is a well-established progressive response to failed policies.

    Yep. When an idea that is obviously correct to the anointed, such a feminism or socialism, fails to work, the failure can be corrected by trying again with a smarter leader, such as HRC, and doubling the amount of money spent.

    The idea itself is never in question.

  140. SMK says: • Website
    @L Woods

    I have no idea if women in general are happier today, and have been happier since the rise of modern feminism in the early 1970s and it’s transformation of society and especially women’s lives, or if they were happier in the pre-feminist 1950s and 60s. Women today and during the feminist era are surely happier than they were during the depression and World-War II, primarily for reasons of economic prosperity and technological innovations that have nothing to do with feminist ideology.

    To claim that women are and have been less happy, or happier, since the emergence of modern feminism as a transformative social-political force is a baseless generalization. To know the answer one would have to know all of most women intimately and be a God-like mind-reader. I care about wha’st true, factually, and can be known and understood. Even if one could prove, definitively and irrefutably, that females as a group are happier because of feminism, modern feminism is still an ideology based on lies and delusions – that the sexes are exactly the same apart from the inescapable differences in anatomy; the gender (“masculine”/”feminine) as opposed to sex (male/female) is a “artificial social construct”- and is thus malign irrespective of women’s general happiness.

    • Replies: @bomag
  141. @Dr. X

    National Public Radio reports that African men don’t support their own kids; burden falls upon babymama and grandmama.

    This sounds like much of the USA’s urban underclass. I doubt it;’s a coincidence!

  142. @Alfred Clark

    “…but that they [non-Jews] want to marry us [Jews]…”

    based on my experience and observations a more correct statement would be, “..but that we [Jewish men] want to marry them [schiksas]…”. This is is less true for Jewish women than Jewish men. Jewish lust for schiksas is real, e.g., Harvey Weinstein’s, Woody Allen’s and Roman Polanski’s choices of victims.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  143. Lot says:
    @nebulafox

    “As for some neo-Trumpist taking power, he’s probably not going to treat Israel like the 51st state a la Trump or Dubya, as AIPAC’s foreign policy antics have grown unpopular even with GOP base voters”

    Israel has only grown more popular with the right. And any nextgen Trump like Cotton and Pence and Kobach and Ron DeSantis are passionate Zionists.

    Ultimately Jews/Israel are just a tiny part of Christendom, and the big issue of the next decades will be the West v Islam/African CampofSainters. Israel and conservative Jews are natural allies and leaders, and the old generation of secular Marxist Jew types are dying off with hardly any children.

    Pure blood secular Ashkenazi might have peaked at around 4.5% of the white US population born in 1950, but is now more like 0.5% and dropping fast.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  144. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    All this has been discussed to death in the pickup community. If you want to help an involuntarily celibate man find his way out of the labyrinth of emotional frustration, just point him to these resources.
    If he refuses to face reality, let him wallow in his misery and watch him feel the pain and torture he deserves.

    In our day and age, there are no excuses. Game works. It worked for me, so it can work for any non-mentally retarded man.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Corvinus
  145. Rosie says:
    @nebulafox

    Sounds like he isn’t a bad guy and with some fine-tuning, could make a pretty solid partner, but he’s got a major scarcity mentality going on

    Do you think this has to do with the “obesity epidemic”? IOW, perhaps there is not so much a scarcity of women, as a scarcity of women acceptable to men with access to porn.

    But anyway…

    A scarcity mentality, as you call it, is indeed a turn-off, but not for the reasons so many hear seem to think. A woman wants to feel like she is being pursued for reasons particular to her, ideally having something to do with something other than her physical appearance.

    If you go to a job interview, and you’re asked, “Why are you interested in working for us,” you don’t say:

    (1) There aren’t many jobs out there, so I’m just applying everywhere and hoping I get lucky.

    Or worse:

    (2) This is the best-paying gig I think I can get.

    The reasons should be obvious. The employer doesn’t want to invest in you if you’re going to keep shopping around for something “better.”

  146. J.Ross says: • Website

    A happy woman is not politically useful, but most politically useful is trans-Stasi roleplaying men.
    NPR just aired a story effectively celebrating gangstalking and trolling. Remember when politically organized trolling was an assault on the Constitution, so long as the perpetrators were Americans-maligned-as-Russians?
    The victims here are idiots who voluntarily went to Reddit, a militantly pro-censorship board whose head has admitted he hacked into accounts and wrote false statements under the names of others to be able to ban them, a site that has always censored anything it didn’t like.
    The story focuses on a tranny activist and his associates, who talk like East Berlin characters in a Cold War spy movie (“and one by one, the bad actors all got banned, and I was the last one left”). They describe trolling, monitoring, reporting on, and requesting the shutdown of discussuons that they don’t like and that nobody forced them to read. The illustration the tranny uses for discussions that he doesn’t like happening (perhaps, gentle reader, even now — since we aren’t reading them, we can’t know) is a home invader forcing you to listen to profanity. So yeah absolutely the same thing.
    No thought is given to what happens to a guy whose little corner is subverted out from under him or censored without explanation. It’s literally “no man (or subreddit), no problem.”
    It’s not letting me link it directly (because all phones should die and be replaced by sensible thinkpads with mechanical keyboards) but it’s just a bit down, “turning hate into humor” first aired Sept 27:

    https://www.npr.org/podcasts/568542542/endless-thread

  147. jcd1974 says:

    The happiest, most content people I know are stay at home moms married to men with good jobs.

    The unhappiest people I know are women in their late forties and early fifties who chose “career” over family and only realized their mistake when it was too late.

  148. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    If you’re a feminist and if you got a good job and married a guy with a great job, you are so happy. You got TWO BIG INCOMES in one family.

    But over all, when women took all those good jobs from men, it meant fewer men with good jobs. So, many women with good jobs find harder time finding men with good jobs… cuz the women got them.

    Also, it was bad for women who want to be homemakers. As women take so many jobs, there are fewer men with jobs who can support wife and family on single income.

    Maybe it’s not as bad in Israel where the big emphasis is Jewish men and Jewish women must unite as one, esp against the Arabs.

    But in the West, the message to white women is they must cut ties with white men and have black kids and side with mass-invaders with battering rams.

    Feminists can’t make up their mind cuz they are torn between Women First or Justice First.

    If Justice First, then feminists must side with Little People against Big People, women included.
    But if feminism is about Women First, it must support powerful women, even if they are monsters of deep state or greed.

    Feminists used to be aligned with socialists but as Identity trumped everything, they supported Women of Greed and Women of Power just because the idea of women + power appealed to them.

    PS. Is there a way to send all the new invaders into these proggy whitopias? How about a compromise. All Caranvandals and such folks MUST go to a white proggy community. Send them all to Harvard or some such place.

  149. @L Woods

    My wife has one job: tale care of our son while I face the world and keep us all in resources (money). Her job is hard and she gee no break. To paraphrase Goodfellas (or was it Casino?): Want to have some coffee? F you, the baby is crying. Want to take a shower? F u, the baby is crying. Need to take a dump? F u, the baby is crying. And so on. Even my shitty job allows me to go down the hall to pee or go get coffee Men and women both used to realize this and so there was no baloney because they had complimentary rôles. Now it’s all a silly pissing contest between the sexes neither can win.

    Returning to the point: You don’t have a foggy clue if you think raising a child is two hours’ work a day.

  150. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    First it was the Holocaust. Now it’s the Shiksacaust.

    I thought the funny thing about INGLORIOUS BASTERDS is that Tarantino presented Jewish resistance to Nazis by having a Jewess kiss a Negro. (Why would Nazis oppose Jews kissing Negroes?)

  151. @Cagey Beast

    I grew up on that. I’ll tell you one thing – it was a helluva lot healthier than what passes for feminism now.

    Those people were in fact happy. One of the generational cycles identified by Strauss and Howe was one concerning gender dimorphism. The Boomers were peak androgyny and we should be at peak differentiation about now (and I suspect in general are). The problem is the dominance over the national consciousness exerted by the Boomers and their confusion between their own preferences and universal ideals.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  152. @Lot

    “the old generation of secular Marxist Jew types are dying off with hardly any children”

    And yet there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of NYT, Atlantic and WaPo opinion columnists who hate Heritage-Americans, and want to see them a marginalised minority in the country they created. Not only that, but the hatred is ever more openly expressed.

    Where are they all coming from, then?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Corvinus
  153. Corvinus says:
    @Travis

    “Feminism is 100 years old…we passed the 19th amendment in 1920.”

    Actually, “Feminism” is attributed to the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments. And this “we” included masculine men, like Theodore Roosevelt and James Lees Laidlaw.

    “It seems that the Great War killed off western civilization and spawned feminism and the fall of the west.”

    American men today look at our civilization from an “American” lens, rather than a “western civilization” lens. I would imagine that you got burned several times in relationships, and are taking out your frustrations here. May I suggest “Gorilla Mindset”, a book by Alt Right leader Mike Cernovich? He is Jewish, FYI, but he is the “right” kind.

    “For the United States to survive as a nation we will need to repeal the 19th amendment.”

    I always have to laugh at “men” who make such pronouncements, as if this suggestion will even generate any substantial traction. Dude, it’s a non-issue. Sack up and deal with it.

    Now, on to this quotation by “The Boom”.

    “In responsible societies, men look after women which translates into trying to be fair and nice. Women manipulate responsible men’s desire to be fair into unfair advantages for women which you especially see in divorce laws and sexual harassment policies.”

    The reality is that in our society, men and women look our for one another, since it is their responsibility. Men and women generally are “fair and nice”, but there will always be men and women who have manipulative personalities. (It is as if the author here is saying that men have the monopoly on “fairness” and “niceness”. But he cannot be that silly) About 95% of divorces are settled amicably–of course, with lawyers involved, and in regarding sexual harassment, well, in this day and age there is a tendency for men and women to go over the top with their behaviors.

    “This gives women power over men and causes them to lose respect for men then shit test men constantly. Nice men usually fail shit tests which causes women to want to import a new crop of men.”

    Manospherist claptrap. Although, once in a while the Z-man blog gets it (somewhat) right –> “This is where the men’s rights crowd and the pickup artists got it all wrong. The answer to the degeneracy of feminism is not sullen indifference or craven opportunism. The solution to feminism is for men to get back to policing their own ranks, by enforcing codes of conduct that leave women no choice but to fulfill their natural roles. If white people are going to survive, it will be in a world in which guys like Riley Reynolds [a porn producer] are found dead in a ditch…When men on our side get that and begin to enforce a moral code on other men, the revolution begins.”

    “Irresponsible men don’t give women special privileges in divorce, hiring or childcare which gives men more power and women more respect for men.”

    Assuming that men as a group are indeed irresponsible in such matters. That takes a tremendous leap of faith.

    “Women may want a responsible man who makes them submit but prefer an irresponsible strong man to a weak and responsible man. Big world out there.”

    Actually, women want a responsible man who does not use force or coercion to “make them submit”.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
  154. @JEG

    I recently attended dinner with several university professors, who discussed in depth the lengths they go not to be alone with their female doctoral students. The result is their male students have far more opportunities for one-on-one consultations, and in quiet settings more conducive to meaningful discussion.

  155. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    Give Amazon Apu some time and it too will hate.

  156. Rosie says:
    @Corvinus

    The solution to feminism is for men to get back to policing their own ranks, by enforcing codes of conduct that leave women no choice but to fulfill their natural roles.(emphasis mine)

    Forced prostitution.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  157. Pericles says:
    @notanon

    They’ve tried far worse things. Worth a shot, give it fifty years and see what happens.

  158. @nebulafox

    “he’s going to leave them to their own devices within their borders”

    And what are their borders?

    Map please.

  159. Pericles says:
    @Paul Mendez

    The result is their male students have far more opportunities for one-on-one consultations, and in quiet settings more conducive to meaningful discussion.

    Terribly sad. The female students can go and get mentored by the plentiful female professors or perhaps go and complain in the many well-funded female-only student organizations for advancing their interests.

  160. Rosie says:
    @PrudeDude

    - Anyone who is on the West Coast can basically attest Asian women are displacing White women as partners for upwardly mobile White guys. The guys like the low drama, femininity, and intelligence.

    Asian women are so “feminine” they go after men’s jobs in tech while White women become nurses and Nice White Lady teachers!

  161. Peterike says:

    My response to feminism and feminists.

  162. Rosie says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Certainly, men want sex, but man cannot live on sex alone. What makes most men happy is to be needed and desired, to earn the respect of a woman, and to provide for the essential material needs of a woman and family. Sex is certainly a big part of this – it is necessary but not sufficient.

    Could a man be happy with an independently wealthy woman? It’s nice to be needed, but it sounds like you are saying that men can only be happy in a relationship where they have all the power because a woman is totally dependent on him for “basic material needs.”

  163. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s because you are Canadian. Steve has a deep and abiding hatred for all things Canadian , worthwhile initiatives not excepted.

  164. Rosie says:
    @G. Poulin

    Here’s a tried and true solution to feminism : round up all feminists and burn them at the stake.

    Steve, how about a little moderation, at whim?

    Lol Just kidding! I love it when manosphere scum show themselves.

  165. @Desiderius

    I grew up on that. I’ll tell you one thing – it was a helluva lot healthier than what passes for feminism now.
    [...]
    The problem is the dominance over the national consciousness exerted by the Boomers and their confusion between their own preferences and universal ideals.

    What we’ve had for the last 50 years has been like a cultural distillation process. As our cultural inheritance boiled off, the New Left and neoliberal sludge that remained became darker and more bitter.

    To be fair to the Boomers, they inherited mass media, academic and political organisations that grossly favour the people at the centre over everyone else. They were only forced to listen to the people “out there” when Brexit and Trump smashed through their control room window.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Miro23
  166. Olorin says:
    @Walsh2

    Sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt.

  167. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    After two and a half centuries of democracy, is anybody happy?

    • LOL: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  168. L Woods says:
    @Autochthon

    Yes, “baby.” Not child that spends most of its day in the school system.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  169. Olorin says:
    @Travis

    For the United States to survive as a nation we will need to repeal the 19th amendment.

    Fashionable claptrap.

    Good luck with your Sailerian legislative utopos where 37% of white men would vote for Hillary Clinton and support every batguano thing she says.

    Good luck with it giving votes to IQ 70-100 types, including browns and blacks, and taking them away from the 53% of married women who voted against Clinton and likely for Trump.

    We’re facing a crisis of manhood, not womanhood, though weak men will frequently blame women for their problems. The flower of several generations of manhood was spent in a stupid white-on-white civil war in the 20th century that lasted at least 40 years (and arguably isn’t over yet).

    Absent, cowardly, weak, and degenerate men are not going to vote their societies into greatness. Feminism is a symptom that turned into a cause when men were too weak to push back against it at a critical juncture. I’d say the 1980s. But then the GOP was all about neocon wars, blow, and the FIRE economy. If jobs hadn’t been offshored and white cities/communities wrecked, if even the more beta type males had had living wages and a community that valued them, if they had hung around and been fathers instead of sperm donors–well, things would have gone differently and maybe the females would have been too busy with family, community, and marriage to be absorbing the claptrap of the Ed Biz.

    Which by the way was where a lot of people went for middle class jobs when the industrial and manufacturing base was demolished for Wall St. and oligarch family profit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @MBlanc46
  170. @Almost Missouri

    If women keep delaying their first child until they’re almost 40, in two generations grandma is pushing 80 when the first child is born. There will be very little exchange of intergenerational wisdom and kids won’t get a chance to get to know their grandmother or grandfather… assuming grandpa ever stuck around grandma in the first place.

    One of the most tragic casualties of feminism?
    Grandparents.

  171. @Tyrion 2

    If women keep delaying their first child until they’re almost 40, in two generations grandma is pushing 80 when the first child is born. There will be very little exchange of intergenerational wisdom and kids won’t get a chance to get to know their grandmother or grandfather… assuming grandpa ever stuck around grandma in the first place.

    One of the most tragic casualties of feminism?
    Grandparents.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  172. @Autochthon

    I’m the principal caretaker of fifteen month old twins. It’s theoretically hard, especially since I’m also the night nurse as my wife has a demanding and successful career, but the brain and adrenal glands make the adjustments you need.

    Best year of my life.

  173. @Paul Mendez

    The professor might tell his female students they are being videoed and recorded. Protects both parties.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  174. @Walsh2

    Would nostalgia be the happiness of growing old?

  175. Daniel H says:

    >…..as my wife has a demanding and successful career….

    I pity you. I pity your wife, and I pity your children. I really do.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  176. TheBoom says:

    My Comment that Steve posted was focused on what works for men in the battle of the sexes. As for what works for women…

    Over the last 7 years I have lived in 4 countries outside of the US: Mexico and 3 in Asia. In all 4, as in the US, I have seen over and over that women are happier and more engaged with life when they are in a stable marriage with children irrespective of what type of job, if any outside of the home, they have.

    I have been particularly struck by how little single, childless working women do to seize the day in their personal lives once they get into their 30s. In all 4 of those countries single, childless women in their thirties and older tend to be more lethargic in their approach to their free time than their married counterparts. Men have commented to me that they are struck by how little curiosity that their single female colleagues have about the world and life.

    Based on my personal experience, feminism has failed because it goes against human nature. That seems to be corroborated by happiness surveys that I have come across based on different jobs and overall happiness. The more we double down on feminism, the more neurotic and unhappy women seem to be. On the other hand, I regularly see surveys in the US that find childless women are happier than mothers. My personal experience tells me that those surveys are bunk and that the childless women have more of a need to say they are happy to make themselves feel better about the choices they have made in their lives

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  177. Tipsy says:

    But the conventional wisdom is merely that feminism can’t possibly fail, all the evidence that it has just proves it hasn’t been tried good and hard enough.

    The beratings will continue until morale improves….

  178. Rosie says:
    @L Woods

    Yes, “baby.” Not child that spends most of its day in the school system.

    Laundry, dinner, grocery shopping, toilet scrubbing, ball practice, etc. don’t do themselves unless you’re Samantha from Bewitched.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  179. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @JEG

    In dating situations, men are becoming more and more reluctant to initiate sex.

    And this is a bad thing because…

    • Replies: @JEG
    , @Bitfu
    , @Father O'Hara
  180. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    After 3000 years of Judaism, are many Jews happy? Do you (vos) know any happy Jews not on pills?

    After 2000 years of Christianity, besides a blessed minority, are people happier in general? How do we count the martyrs who died in torments? Happier or less happy?

  181. @Almost Missouri

    That reminds me of the one thing that “Black Panther” did get right. Remember how he had an elite all-female bodyguard? Who seemed to do all the real fighting (without the benefit of the super powered suit that only the king could wear)? That was reflective of how in African society women tend to do all the heavy lifting, often literally.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  182. @Daniel Chieh

    With a little luck–and a little more diversity–the cities will burn themselves soon enough.

  183. @AndrewR

    Andrew, And good women create hard ons. Sorry.

  184. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Well, inasmuch as those grandparents were probably progenitors of said feminism, you reap what you sow I guess.

    —–

    One of my beefs with Total Fertility Rate as a catch-all demographic metric is that it doesn’t account for generation length.

    I read all the time about how TFR 2.2 pop A will fare as compared to TFR 2.4 pop B, etc. But if pop A is now 76 year old mothers still waiting for their 38 year old daughters to drop their first designer baby, while pop B literally has thirty year old grandmothers (as does certain, um … communities), the difference in cycle speed is gonna blow those TFR differences out of the water.

  185. @Daniel H

    Save your pity. Together we’re a well-oiled machine. She has enough flexibility to spend plenty of time with the boys.

    She just has to be on for those 30-40 hours a week in front of the world so getting her good rest is essential , and I make sure what she publishes is at the top of her field, which is a less time-sensitive vocation.

    Needless to say none of this works with solid manliness on my part.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Corvinus
  186. @Anon

    Judaism and Christianity didn’t profess to be utilitarian systems. Feminism did.

    Nevertheless, I know many happy Jews and Christians. To be fair, I also know some happy-ish feminists, or at least woman who call themselves feminists, but I notice that these women tend to have kids and enjoy domesticity and only bring out the “feminist” label when they need to virtue signal.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @TheBoom
    , @Neil Templeton
  187. A feminist is someone who wants equal pay for women, and then wants to marry a man who earns more than her.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  188. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Interesting. Do the happy Jewish women you know identify as feminists?

    If not, what lost paradise do you inhabit and how can I get there?

    Speaking of Judaism and Christianity didn’t profess to be utilitarian systems, are we any happier after 150-200-ish years of utilitarianism? (Maybe that was the question I should have asked in the first place.)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  189. JackOH says:

    Feminism? Probably some slight gains in civic hygiene in some respects, overwhelmed by the massive social and economic losses in civic hygiene in many other respects. We are trained to look at the gains, ignore the losses, and not “notice”, in the Sailerite sense, the connections.

    Feminism, like so much social engineering (viz., Buzz Mohawk’s observation), is like curing a cold by giving the patient cancer. (I know that’s a bit muddled, but I feel a bit crappy this evening.)

  190. @Desiderius

    Only with exceptional manliness. Or alternatively proofreading.

  191. TheBoom says:
    @Almost Missouri

    To be fair, I also know some happy-ish feminists, or at least woman who call themselves feminists, but I notice that these women tend to have kids and enjoy domesticity and only bring out the “feminist” label when they need to virtue signal.

    The happy feminists I have come across only have feminism as a part-time gig that they don’t let derail the more important parts of their lives. The full-time feminists don’t serve as advertisements for a happy, well adjusted lifestyle.

  192. Corvinus says:
    @Olorin

    “We’re facing a crisis of manhood, not womanhood, though weak men will frequently blame women for their problems.”

    A crisis manufactured in large part by the Alt Right and the manosphere vs. radical leftist women (not feminists–big difference) with their arguments as to what constitutes manhood. But the normy men, aka the “mushy middle” ain’t buying what they are selling. WE decide for ourselves what is masculine.

    “Absent, cowardly, weak, and degenerate men are not going to vote their societies into greatness.”

    Praytell, what makes you NOT fall under these categories? What traits must “men” possess?

    “If jobs hadn’t been offshored and white cities/communities wrecked, if even the more beta type males had had living wages and a community that valued them, if they had hung around and been fathers instead of sperm donors–well, things would have gone differently and maybe the females would have been too busy with family, community, and marriage to be absorbing the claptrap of the Ed Biz.”

    IF being the operative word here. Perhaps today’s men and women are best served as to what they believe ought to be their roles, rather be saturated by your virtue signaling.

  193. I’m a cold fish from birth I guess. My attitude from 2nd grade was, I don’t care if they’re happy. Teachers, principals, girls, Ma, aunts, sister, I never gave a crap. No one ever asked me if I’m happy. It isn’t my job to make them happy in general, nor happy with me in particular. And they’re all unhappy with something, they seek it out, it keeps their feeble minds occupied with something other than my golf, motorcycles, vacations, friends and other girlfriends. One thing after another with ALL women. Their stupid ‘careers’, money, their kids, their ex’s, Mom, Dad, whatever the deal, they all have something they cogitate over all the fucking time. They hide it early on, but after the shagging starts, they think they have the right to air it with me.

    And they talk about all this endlessly with their girlfriends, sister and whomever will listen, people who are eminently unqualified to give advice as they have the same problems or worse, heh. Useful distractions while I’m off doing my thing. When they get to be too much, I move along to someone else. Who hides their unhappiness until a certain point and the cycle starts anew. Still, maybe it’s me and the women I have to work with these days, I’m 61 dating them in their 50s, they’re all in turmoil. .

    Happy? Couldn’t care less, I pretty much just want the little bit of affection left in their souls. All the other shit is their problem. I ain’t Sir Galahad, I really couldn’t care less.

  194. Corvinus says:
    @Desiderius

    “Needless to say none of this works with solid manliness on my part.”

    As how YOU define it. The mileage will vary.

  195. @TheBoom

    In all 4 of those countries single, childless women in their thirties and older tend to be more lethargic in their approach to their free time than their married counterparts

    I take it none of these four countries are those old, white ones where aging-but-well-off spinsters fly off to the West Indies for physical fun with the local teenage boys.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  196. @Sultan Bigwheel

    I must disagree that very many women are promiscuous for its own sake. Seeking out lots of orgasms to make oneself happy is something men are more likely to do. I say this as a Gen-X female who has had many female friends over the years, and all of us were very interested in having a boyfriend as our main goal. Now if that relationship ended, we would want another boyfriend in his place, but only if we were “over” the first guy. Perhaps it is different with younger women today, but I doubt it. The lifestyle they lead is really foisted on them by the Culture and some genuinely don’t even realize that “regret” isn’t actually rape. The revolving door of Tinder hookups is just part of the larger tragedy for these women.

    I personally feel that the feminist movement really went wrong when it did not make peace and incorporate the traditionally feminine roles and responsibilities that women had previously held. The fact that it still shuns motherhood is a real problem. Somehow it became a radically misandrist movement along the way as well. I do think this is in large part due to angry lesbians taking it over. Gay men seem to have a love and lust for men as their motivating principle. Many lesbians on the other hand are in fact motivated by a hatred of men, and many of the political lesbians gravitated to feminism. Look at gender studies departments- how many straight women who love men can be found there? Not many! And these are the intellectual types driving the ideology and advising straight women how to live.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  197. @nebulafox

    “Russian women in the Far East prefer Chinese men who’ve emigrated for work because they drink less, are hyper-focused on education for the kids, and are generally more reliable and responsible. ”

    Evidence please.

    I go to Russia all the time. Most white Russians really dislike Chinese, for some odd reason. (They don’t seem to have the same aversion to Pakis, Indians, Arabs, or even blacks).

    The gender imbalance can explain the few Russian women marrying Chinese. Better a Chinese guy than nothing. The other factors might be true, but I simply haven’t seen any data indicating that this is widespread with Russian women. (Now, female Russian citizens who are buryat, kazakh, mongolian, uzbek or some other form of central asian… sure, not a big step).

  198. MBlanc46 says:
    @Walsh2

    My guess is that being perpetually dissatisfied is an evolutionary adaptation in women, and hence in the species. Always wanting better shoes, better outfits, better furniture, better houses, better mates has kept women from “settling” and kept men busting their tails to give women what they want.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  199. @James N. Kennett

    I don’t know if he misrepresented their marriage, but he certainly misrepresented I Never Promised You a Rose Garden. That’s not what the book is about. I think he’s confused it with Lisa and David.

  200. @Anon

    After 3000 years of Judaism, are many Jews happy? Do you (vos) know any happy Jews not on pills?

    Yes, Lots and lots. Mostly Orthodox though. As I can attest, having lots of grandchildren (13 with 2 in oven) when you are young enough to enjoy them is happiness making.

    • Replies: @Anon
  201. MBlanc46 says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Alas, the white women that you describe, are not the white women that I know.

  202. @Anon

    After two and a half centuries of democracy, is anybody happy?

    Yes. The remaining constitutional monarchs, whose job has gotten much easier. And safer.

    And they’re as popular as they ever have been.

  203. @Olorin

    Sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt.

    Oh my goodness! Putting Aeneas in the same category as feminists profanes Virgil, don’t you think?

    But hey, where have you been? Your posts have been as scarce as an honest statement by a Leftist.

  204. @Little spoon

    I get the feeling that not a single word of this is true.

  205. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    BTW, there’s something else I need to get off my chest while I’m at it. Greedy employers in this country take advantage of SAHMs.

    How so? They don’t pay the mothers who work for them enough to hire a babysitter in emergencies. Result: The one or two SAHMs on the block constantly get asked for favors by frazzled working moms on sick days or other unforeseen problems. We do it, because we feel fortunate to be in a position to help, and when the kids are good, it’s no trouble, but still…

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  206. MBlanc46 says:
    @Olorin

    Saying that we have to do it in order to survive and saying that we can’t do it are not logically inconsistent. The latter does not refute the former.

  207. @Liza

    Are women happier? No. But men are

    You’re being too specific here in only impugning all men.

    How about calling out the phylum Chordata?

    • Replies: @Liza
  208. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Would get diagnosed as borderline personality disorder today.

  209. @Little spoon

    “I know a woman who shops a lot and who got screwed by a lot of guys”

    The uttermost extent of human flourishing then?

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  210. TheBoom says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I take it none of these four countries are those old, white ones where aging-but-well-off spinsters fly off to the West Indies for physical fun with the local teenage boys.

    Nope. Old Asian countries and Mexico. Childless Asian women seem to get more lethargic as they age. White women more neurotic.

  211. @Daniel Chieh

    Isn’t that the hippocampus?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  212. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods

    Work two hours and spend 6 hours watching TV and eating chocolates. Female paradise.

  213. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Mendez

    Didn’t Mamet make a movie about this a long time ago?

  214. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It is actually shoplifting while black that has made shopping while black the problem It is called a Bayesian inference. I have found that it is Asian storeowners who seem to be the most suspicious of blacks by far. There are just too many bad blacks spoiling it for the good ones. But rather then admit an obvious – but painful – truth, blacks would rather blame “racism”.

  215. Liza says:
    @Desiderius

    LOL. I admit I had to look that up.

    “Chordates are a phylum in the animal kingdom that include the vertebrates and the few closely related invertebrates that have, at least for a short period of their life, a notochord, a hollow nerve chord, pharyngeal slits, an endostyle and a post-anal tail.”

  216. TGGP says: • Website

    Robin Hanson discussed some happiness surveys which indicated that women’s self-reported happiness had sunk from being above men’s (around the mid-century) to the same level in the 21st, and suggested that people will choose power over happiness if they have the option:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/power-beats-happiness.html

    • Replies: @rjj
  217. @Almost Missouri

    Works well, until the woman is expected to commit irrevocably to radical feminism, a commitment that often requires her to force her man to also commit, which subjects their relation to great stress. This, I gather, is the nature of most religious communities,

  218. dvorak says:
    @Dr. X

    So-called “irresponsible societies” also do not have the universal franchise

    Mexico doesn’t have the universal franchise? Russia doesn’t? Northern Ireland?

    In seriousness, feminist laws can be trumped by male alcoholism. You can lead a drunk to work, but you can’t make him earn. And if you can’t keep him on the wagon, you can’t keep his dick in his pants.

  219. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    It’s not just women. Liberal modernity is a machine for human unhappiness.

    Please explain your reasoning to get to that conclusion.

    This is reactionaries’ greatest argument and one they don’t use nearly enough. In fact it really is the reason why one ought to be a reactionary.

    What does that argument look like?

    Perhaps this question is asking the same thing as the request above it.

  220. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Men and women both used to realize this and so there was no baloney

    What do you mean by baloney? What specifically is the figure of speech referring to?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  221. @Brabantian

    if women have lots of ‘rights’ they sabotage marriages so they can go back to hunting one of the 20% of males who are ‘alpha’ in style, leaving most males to just be sources of state-extracted income.

    This last part of your comment is entirely your own supposition and has nothing to with Unwin’s work. Reading this kind of shit-stupid boilerplate on every thread mentioning women is getting really, really old.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  222. Miro23 says:
    @Cagey Beast

    To be fair to the Boomers, they inherited mass media, academic and political organizations that grossly favour the people at the centre over everyone else. They were only forced to listen to the people “out there” when Brexit and Trump smashed through their control room window.

    The Brexit and Trump votes did happen ( democratic votes for nationalism) , and the Boomers were shocked and aren’t accepting the outcome = Confusion.

    They, of course, regard themselves as ethically and morally superior, so they are fighting back with smears and blocking moves, but their time is probably over – taking with it their scruffy jeans, rock music, multiculture/counterculture, Israel worship, feminism, LGBT and “freedom” in sex, drugs, economics (neoliberalism) etcetera, + elaborate PC enforcement rules.

    The Rolling Stones should be due for their last concert soon – maybe the one with some of those disruptive Pepes in the crowd if geriatric problems don’t get them first.

  223. Tyrion 2 says:
    @BEER/ we're all going to die

    There have been numerous studies on PTSD in soldiers. In my mind, the most interesting conclusion has been that soldiers are most likely to get this shell shock from events they have no control over and no feeling of control over.

    If a soldier has been able to fire back, no matter how ineffectually, at the source of the threat, they tend to end up psychologically ok.

    On the other hand, soldiers put into an utterly safe perspex topped bunker and fired upon by friendly mortars, so as to experience indirect fire, often emerge in a state of shock.

    Now you’re not going to solo-change “society’s viciousness towards males”, so naturally this is somewhat traumatic to you. Hence “God give me the grace to accept that which I cannot change”.

    Such a prayer is not new but it has benefited the endless number of people that societies all around the world have been vicious to throughout human history.

    It is also not a call to absolute passivity. You need to find a way to metaphorically fire back. My advice is to dress well and go and volunteer with the get out the vote effort this mid-term.

    The people you’re supporting may be imperfect and it may not satisfy any sort of saviour of the universe fantasy but it will allow you to have some grip on the situation.

    Other than that, if you, as you did, typify the advice as coming from “Dad” then it is probably good advice. Such an individual has probably levelled up far in excess of what you have.

    What’s most vicious about society?

  224. Tyrion 2 says:
    @njguy73

    It is also a very useful skill for any leader/manager. For various reasons, I’ve spoken to the CEOs of a number of very large multi-national companies. They put me to distant shame, but maybe I can learn.

    • Replies: @BB753
  225. Mr. Blank says:

    At the place I work, the main topic of conversation Thursday was the walkouts at Google. Because of course, women and women’s concerns are the heart of nearly all workplace chatter. That caused me to wander into a bit of crimethink — it made me wonder where one might find today’s Silicon Valley.

    A bit of explanation: I came of age in the 1980s, when the world of computers occupied a unique cultural space. The public was gradually becoming aware that the high-tech sector was emerging as a major power center in both the U.S. and the world in general, but even so, computers and technology were still broadly viewed as uncool, icky Boy Stuff. (I remember lots of stories marveling that these stupid antisocial dweebs like Bill Gates were billionaires.) I cannot recall actually meeting a woman who showed anything more than a strictly professional interest in computers until some time in the early 90s.

    The point is, for much of my formative years, #MeToo issues would have been simply inconceivable in the computer world, because there simply weren’t enough women in the field to make it an issue. It was a total sausage party, because nobody thought it was important, so the men basically had free rein to indulge in petty locker room boy stuff. And not coincidentally, I believe, that was the period of the greatest ferment and innovation in the field. (There are, of course, a few noteworthy exceptions of women who made an impact — but that’s just the point; they are highly unusual exceptions.)

    Now, though, everybody knows computers are a goldmine, so female software engineers are a dime a dozen. And the “revolutionary” products the industry now produces are ephemera like Instagram and Twitter.

    “Digital assistants” like Siri and Alexa are pretty nifty, but they would probably be a million times cooler if they were masterminded by nutsos like the late 70s-early 80s Jobs and Wozniak.

    Which brings me back to my original question: Where is today’s Silicon Valley? Where can we find a bunch of borderline-Asperger’s types beavering away on some apparently pointless technology that will end up changing the world — a pursuit for which they are mocked and scorned right up until the moment they become billionaires?

    Or was Silicon Valley and all that just a glorious, fleeting, one-time thing?

  226. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Thanks.

    Saying what they’re afraid to admit to themselves is the real dark art though.

    Can you give some examples of this?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  227. @AnonAnon

    “the elites must be doing some counter-programming at home since they seem to get married and reproduce”

    I think it was Charles Murray who said that the elites “preach 60s and live 50s“.

  228. @Anon

    “are we any happier after 150-200-ish years of utilitarianism?”

    Based on material comforts: should be.

    Based on cultural output: clearly not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  229. @MBlanc46

    “being perpetually dissatisfied is an evolutionary adaptation in women”

    I think there’s something in that – a proportion of men, once they have food, shelter, warmth, woman, children, will switch to cruise control if they can.

    The phenomenon (taken to extremes) is the subject of the German fairy tale The Fisherman And His Wife. Lot of wisdom in those old tales, I read them all to my kids.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fisherman_and_His_Wife

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  230. rjj says:
    @TGGP

    women’s self-reported happiness had sunk from being above men’s (around the mid-century)

    people make do with envy as a consolation prize for disappointments with life. for that generation unhappiness was a deep dark secret. admitting it to others or even to themselves was a confession of failure. failure is not enviable.

    talk to your moms and grandmas.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  231. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Mostly right. I would just add that way too many women- any age group- are not physically attractive, either.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  232. JEG says:
    @Anon

    I personally don’t think it’s a bad thing; however, there seem to be a number of straight women who do in situations in which they are really attracted to a man and want him to make the first move.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anon
  233. @Colin Wright

    You have a badly mistaken impression of Israel. Look up the statistics for sexual abuse, prostitution, etc.

    Hm….

  234. I know she gets made fun of a lot on here, but in 2004 she wrote a book with her daughter called The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers and Fathers Are Going Broke. In it, she rightfully pointed out that having working mothers simply allowed families to bid up the cost of housing, sucking up the wife’s income.

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  236. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Based on cultural output: clearly not.

    What “cultural output” are you using as a measure?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  237. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @rjj

    talk to your moms and grandmas.

    What sorts of things would they tell us?

  238. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank

    Which brings me back to my original question: Where is today’s Silicon Valley? Where can we find a bunch of borderline-Asperger’s types beavering away on some apparently pointless technology that will end up changing the world — a pursuit for which they are mocked and scorned right up until the moment they become billionaires?

    unz.com, with its stable of writers (including notably Ron and Steve, and several others) and the isteve comment section?

    The dissident twittersphere of 2015-16?

  239. @ScarletNumber

    The “she” being Elizabeth Warren.

  240. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    I’m not interested in making things fair for working women.

    I’m interested in making them more rare.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  241. Bel Riose says:
    @Anonymousse

    At least according to Little Spoon, who used to regularly comment at Roissy’s site and crushed on him in a way that was a bit nauseating.

  242. @Simply Simon

    I don’t know. The way young women are today,that might get them horny!

  243. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Huh?

    https://forward.com/news/192698/jewish-woman-is-new-face-of-intermarriage-pew-stud/

    …………………
    According to Cohen, three times as many Jewish men intermarried before 1970 as women. But between 2000 and 2013, slightly more Jewish women intermarried than men.

    What’s more, intermarried Jewish women are now no more likely than intermarried Jewish men to raise their children Jewish, according to Cohen.

    Half of the Jewish women who intermarried between 1980 and 1989 say that they had raised their children Jewish, compared with just 19% of Jewish men. Today, only 15% of Jewish women who have intermarried since 2000 say they are raising their children Jewish.

  244. Steve Sailer is the White disaffected voice that “America” wants to hear. Full of pathos and “irony”, personally powerless yet full of admiring subtleties our oppressors want to hear, urging our people on to death.

    What skin does he have in the game?

    Steve Sailer is an ex-journo. Sports.

  245. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank

    Which brings me back to my original question: Where is today’s Silicon Valley? Where can we find a bunch of borderline-Asperger’s types beavering away on some apparently pointless technology that will end up changing the world — a pursuit for which they are mocked and scorned right up until the moment they become billionaires?

    I posit that it is hardcore AI technology, hardcore brain/machine interface technology, and maybe also quantum computing. Unlike in the previous era, it is being done by some of the current main industry corporations, so physically in Silicon Valley, Research Triangle, Vancouver, Redmond, Westchester, etc., but in a special back area where the usual PC hiring and office rules don’t apply.

  246. Bitfu says:
    @Anon

    It’s a bad thing because of birds and bees.

    • Replies: @Anon
  247. BB753 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I don’t know. I’ve yet to meet an empathic CEO. Manipulative, yes.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Tyrion 2
  248. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    Feminism happened to coincide with the historical financial decline of the middle class.

    There has been no such decline.

  249. Art Deco says:
    @dwb

    I have asked this question more than once – wages for the vast majority have been stuck (or even declined) since about 1973 after adjusting for inflation. R

    They haven’t.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @bomag
    , @dwb
  250. Toddy Cat says:
    @The Z Blog

    I think it all depends on what you classify as a “wave”. I’d guess that Steve is counting the first iteration of Feminism as the 1910′s Sufferagette – 1920′s movement, which essentially disappeared during the male-oriented 30′s, 40′s, 50′s, and early 60′s, with the second movement starting in the late 1960′s.

  251. L Woods says:
    @Anonymous

    Game “works” in the same sense that panhandling or standing on one’s hind legs for a milk bone “works.” The difference is that the corner bum and fido probably don’t imagine themselves to be “alpha” for their antics.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  252. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    Mostly Orthodox though.

    Good point. One tends to forget this rather important section of the Jewish community.

  253. L Woods says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I find the chorus of white knighting on every thread mentioning women to be “really, really old.” I guess nobody’s going home happy.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  254. @Art Deco

    “the typical man with a full-time job–the one at the statistical middle of the middle–earned $50,383 last year, the Census Bureau reported this week.

    The typical man with a full-time job in 1973 earned $53,294, measured in 2014 dollars to adjust for inflation.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    I haven’t done the stats back before 1997, but real UK median male wages have declined between 1997 and 2016 – and that’s with an inflation index that underweights accommodation costs (house prices and rents have soared since 1997).

  255. @Anon

    freedom from worry

    Somehow Rockwell forgot to paint that one.

    That freedom can only come from within.

    • Agree: Liza
  256. @Father O'Hara

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cingulate_cortex

    Apparently its a “difficult problem” to the brain. I wonder if it functions with these, which would allow it to have the boolean situational functionality we see in seemingly “contradictory beliefs.”

    https://www.livescience.com/63441-new-brain-cell-rosehip-neuron.html

    e.g. “want excitement because it feels good and validating” “also stability to forestall anxiety” “state of novelty-seeking > anxiety avoidance, will justify later”

  257. @Mr. Blank

    Where can we find a bunch of borderline-Asperger’s types beavering away on some apparently pointless technology that will end up changing the world — a pursuit for which they are mocked and scorned right up until the moment they become billionaires?

    We can start with those hapless individuals currently unemployed from Googlag.

  258. Liza says:
    @Anon

    How many of those couples are/were not struggling merely to stay alive, but simply wanting bigger house, more unnecessary stuff, etc.

    However, it is true what you say about some women having to go cap in hand for a few $$$ from their stingy lord ‘n’ masters. Not saying all men were that way, though. But enough were, to make working outside the home appear desirable.

    This is the human condition. No cure – not in my books, anyway.

  259. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Marrying money was never uncommon for men but it was always looked on as something to be a little ashamed of.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  260. @Steve from Detroit

    I’ve said before: If a Titanic situation happened today, the feminists on board would gladly get on the lifeboats (while the men stayed on the ship and died) using the “women and children first” card. Male chivalry would be just fine for feminists when their lives are in danger.

    Feminists brag about how “tough” they are. The next instant they present themselves as delicate little flowers constantly “oppressed.”

    They move the goalposts according to the political advantage of the moment as they see it. Happiness? The strategy, whatever it is, is to be Perpetually Aggrieved.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  261. Anon[864] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You seem like someone I would like to be friends with and hang out with in real life. Even if you are in my opinion too defensive and have blind spots on subjects related to Jews. But maybe that’s something we could discuss.

    Sock Puppeting 101.

    One of the more common abuses of alternate accounts is the “sock puppet”. This is an account set up by a user to support their primary account, generally in debates. A sock puppet account for me in the user comments for this article might look like this

    Sock Puppet #1: Gosh, what a brilliantly incisive article from Patrick.
    Sock Puppet #2: I agree! And what a handsome byline picture! Vanilla should give him a company car!

    https://blog.vanillaforums.com/community/how-to-deal-with-sock-puppet-and-alternate-accounts

    What are the questions you ask of them and comments you make to engage them and have a conversation?

    Almost always there are tears and a past history of easily resolvable bad decisions.

    What are some of the things they have considered to be bad decisions?

    So now you’re having conversations with yourself? At a certain point this begins to look like sickness. And you passed that point a long time ago…

  262. Anon[864] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The billionaire is complaining that she was shortchanged a few pennies. If you had to live for even one day without the constant adoration and pedestalization that white women get, you’d kill yourself.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @Rosie
  263. Lot says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You think that describes Bari Weiss?

  264. bomag says:
    @SMK

    To claim that women are and have been less happy, or happier, since the emergence of modern feminism as a transformative social-political force is a baseless generalization. To know the answer one would have to know all of most women intimately and be a God-like mind-reader.

    We can sample the larger population and reach good conclusions.

    There are people who live a long time and have good memories; they can give reports.

    We can learn from people who live in more traditional societies, both here and abroad, and heed their reports on relative levels of happiness.

    I live around a significant Mennonite population. Their women seem a hell of lot happier than the doped up skanks in my cohort.

  265. Lot says:
    @Mr. Blank

    It is still Silicon Valley, just not the giants.

    WhatsApp is a good example of a small group of young men having a big impact. Hundreds of millions of people were paying $5 a month for text message plans… now nobody does because there is a free alternative.

  266. bomag says:
    @Art Deco

    They haven’t.

    Arguable point; depends in part on hedonic adjustment, etc.

  267. @David In TN

    I’m hoping that my job assignment sends me to TN sometime soon so I can post as Daniel In TN, so I can join you and Anon In TN.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  268. @Hapalong Cassidy

    There was another thing that Black Panther got right:

    • Agree: bomag
  269. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Mendez

    I wonder if those same people laughed at or mocked the Pence Rule?

  270. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “All this has been discussed to death in the pickup community. If you want to help an involuntarily celibate man find his way out of the labyrinth of emotional frustration, just point him to these resources.”

    Those resources focus on men to “pump and dump”. Roissy and Roosh in particular are degenerates to our society. They use pseudo-intellectualism and pop psychology to convince short, balding, squatty men that they can slay hot poon.

    Besides, the venerable Vox Day, who labels himself a “sigma”, has stated repeatedly that gammas gonna gamma, and there is really no way for them to employ the concepts of Game with skill and aplomb like those who have looks, money, and an outgoing personality.

    “In our day and age, there are no excuses. Game works. It worked for me, so it can work for any non-mentally retarded man.”

    Unless you have testimonials and pics, it is more than likely that Game for you has been a wild goose chase.

    • Replies: @bomag
  271. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @JEG

    Ah, okay, I get your meaning.

    I don’t get “bitfu’s” meaning at all; did he misread the question? It seems like his reason bears the exact opposite interpretation to that he suggests.

  272. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bitfu

    Eh?

    Are you saying illegitimacy is a societal good? I think I’m misreading you or you’re misreading me…

  273. @Bardon Kaldian

    I would just add that way too many women- any age group- are not physically attractive, either.

    I would just add that way too many women- any age group- are overweight, either.

    FIFY.

    Most men are no prize either. The number of fat kids, especially among the Pedros, is astonishing.

    “Can you say Diabetes Type I, Jose? I know you can.”

  274. @Anon

    Marrying money was never uncommon for men but it was always looked on as something to be a little ashamed of.

    Didn’t stop John (3 Purple Hearts) Kerry from doing it twice.

  275. Corvinus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “And yet there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of NYT, Atlantic and WaPo opinion columnists who hate Heritage-Americans…”

    You are NOT special. “Heritage American”, what does that even mean to white normies? And there is only “hate” by the authors who are radical left from those sources, as well as the radical right found at unz.com, The American Spectator, and American Renaissance.

    “and want to see them a marginalised minority in the country they created.”

    A wide range of people created our nation, from Europeans, to tribal groups, to African Americans, to Hispanics.

  276. @BB753

    I don’t know. I’ve yet to meet an empathic CEO. Manipulative, yes.

    It’s like Groucho Marx said “The most important quality is sincerity, if you can fake that, you’ve got it made”

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  277. @Rosie

    Could a man be happy with an independently wealthy woman? It’s nice to be needed, but it sounds like you are saying that men can only be happy in a relationship where they have all the power because a woman is totally dependent on him for “basic material needs.”

    One can tell that you’re infected by the feminist mind virus, because you consider someone working hard to give you things and make you happy to be having “all the power.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  278. Banks offering mortgages based on the wife’s income as well as the husband’s. So, couples started an arms race to buy better, bigger houses. Ultimately, women who didn’t want to work had to in order to have access to the same standard of housing as their older relatives had managed on one income.

    Houses have got bigger and much more expensive. Otherwise, much of the second income has been spent on a second vehicle, child care, preprepared meals and other compensation. The economy has grown due to more workers but families are not better off. The biggest gainers were the banks.

  279. Bel Riose says:

    200 years ago, one of us would have challenged the other to an epee duel — a contest I’m sure we both would have looked forward to.

  280. @Knox

    Boomer women were 20% childless, while Gen X women are closer to 12-15% childless. Millennial women are on track to hit 25-28% childless, though.

    Gen X didn’t follow fertility projections at all. They had kids anyway.

    • Replies: @bomag
  281. The question isn’t whether women are happier (since most women don’t identify as feminists). The question is whether feminists are happier. As far as I know no one has actually asked feminists how they feel.

    I’d suspect feminists have mixed views. On the one hand, some of them have done quite nicely out of identity politics, on the other some are probably feeling frustrated since identity politics doesn’t do much to address the neoliberal economic policies which made the majority of men and women unhappier in the 80s and 90s.

  282. notanon says:

    i’d guess women who are career first > kids first *and* have the brains/education to land themselves an upper middle class career are probably happier than they would have been as a housewife

    whereas women who are kids first > career first are probably less happy.

    i imagine the least happy are those who wanted both but ended up with no kids and a “career” that was just a job – and there are a lot of them.

  283. Rosie says:
    @Bel Riose

    I’m not interested in making things fair for working women.

    I wasn’t talking about fairness for working women. I was talking about fairness for SAHMs, but thanks for letting me know how you feel.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
  284. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    If you had to live for even one day without the constant adoration and pedestalization that white women get, you’d kill yourself.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  285. @Anonymous

    The whole stupid pissing contest about whether it’s harder to hold a paying job or be a housekeeper and raise children. It’s like arguing whether your right leg or your left works harder when you run. Families function as symbiotic endeavors with complementary rôles. Both rôles have their ups and downs. Children thrive best when their parents cooperate. Everything else and the kerfuffle built up around it is just baloney to destroy families and societies (of which families are the first premises).

    • Agree: Tyrion 2, Jim Don Bob
  286. Tyrion 2 says:
    @BB753

    I don’t know. I’ve yet to meet an empathic CEO. Manipulative, yes.

    While not necessary, the former helps a lot with the latter.

    I do find that manipulating others makes me feel bad about myself, but often one can create a partly true rationalisation as a salve.

    I also often find myself jealous of people for whom this is no issue even while, when I recognise them, I am extremely wary.

    Such people are actually very rare. Most sociopath seeming people that I meet tend to be particularly un-empathetic and more roiled by their own emotions than anything else. This makes them unthinkingly cruel, vicious and unpredictable.

    I try to have nothing to do with them.

    Sometimes they instinctively get others still, but the process may be more one of low cunning than actual understanding. Those others they “get” also often seem to have “victim” written on their forehead.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  287. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    How can you link to that without the interesting video? (It needs to be watched all the way through.)

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  288. @Tyrion 2

    Sir Jonny Ive, Apple’s head designer, said the thing about Steve Jobs was that he wasn’t some Aspergery guy who didn’t understand people; instead, Jobs possessed tremendous insight into the personalities of the people around him (Jobs’ biological sister, by the way, is a fine novelist), which just means his cruelties were that much more cruel.

  289. bomag says:
    @The Practical Conservative

    They had kids anyway.

    I’d like to see some details: family size; by income quintile; by intelligence.

    I’m wondering how Gen X fared against the dysgenic trend of the modern world.

  290. @L Woods

    You can say whatever you want, but I’m right about this. And you know darn well that I’m not white-knighting, so your comment is either obtuse, ridiculous, or deliberately provocative. I’m not talking about women at all here. I’m talking about a body of writing.

    The fact of the matter is that the entire Manospheric corpus of written works consists of generic set pieces written in a faux testimonial style, such that one ends up reading the same five or six stories over and over again, and often enough the exact same words.

    It’s a hobby that’s easy to pick up for many who have the knack, and for awhile there it could be lucrative and popular. Like churning out romance novels or erotica, this stuff tends to flow off the pen quite easily, but at the end of the day it’s just pulp.

    The Manoshpere was nothing but the great male romance novel; it is the masculine version of Twilight. Is there really anybody today who still doesn’t get that?

  291. @Rosie

    As the old joke goes:

    “How many Feminists does it take to screw in a lightbu-”

    “THAT’S NOT FUNNY!!!!”

    :P

    • LOL: Rosie
  292. @Intelligent Dasein

    Keep it up, Dasein. Maybe this time the popular girl will finally notice that you exist. ;)

  293. @bomag

    I live around a significant Mennonite population. Their women seem a hell of lot happier than the doped up skanks in my cohort.

    99% of the Mennonite women I’ve met seem to dress and comport themselves with a style and gracefulness that calls to mind some of the movie stars of the 1930s and 1940s.

  294. @Daniel Chieh

    Maybe you can get here in time to help me cover the next Knoxville Horror trial.

  295. @Almost Missouri

    Except generations are lengthening across the board. And women aren’t fertile until death, so convergence is already occurring (generations close to the same length). Everyone is heading towards the 30 year generation. SCALE is swallowing fertility even among the feckless, and delaying their first births too.

  296. @bomag

    It’s all at the census, you can click on the xls files yourself. I might put up some charts next year, Gen X has been underanalyzed. Everything is always about the Boomers and the Millennials.

    The really interesting thing is that white non-Hispanic Gen X women had low childlessness, which is exactly the opposite of typical narratives around white fertility. They also were more likely to have 3+ than 1. All groups had pretty similar (low) rates of childlessness. Gen X women have a little time left, since the youngest are 38, and if their past performance continues apace, then they might even get down (again, including white women broken out on their own) to 10-11% childless, or almost all of them having kids.

    All of Gen X was adults when social media hit and even the youngest of them were nearly done with high school when the internet really blew up in the mid90s. In contrast, the youngest millennials were preteens when social media broke out and the oldest were preteens and teenagers when the internet went WWW in 95/96.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @bomag
  297. @Rosie

    Am I correct in reading that the highest response rates for women are lower than the lowest response rates for men? What does “response rate” mean in this case?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  298. @BB753

    Hence the Masterpiece Cakeshop legal struggle. Baking is an essential service. It’s almost impossible to serve demand when women are both having and eating millions of cakes.

  299. @Rosie

    Not quite.

    Enforced discipline.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  300. @Autochthon

    She should do like the other half of American SAHMs do and use daycare part-time for a break.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  301. Rosie says:
    @byrresheim

    Not quite.

    True. Prostitutes don’t have to do your laundry.

    • Replies: @Anon
  302. Rosie says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Am I correct in reading that the highest response rates for women are lower than the lowest response rates for men?

    Yes. Men outnumber women on dating sites.

    What does “response rate” mean in this case?

    There’s a little caption there at the bottom. See it?

  303. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    The usual things: fear of failure, hanging on to the hopeless, their own co-dependent or even toxic behvaiour, general craziness, loneliness etc etc etc.

  304. Bel Riose says:
    @Rosie

    Such is the disparity in our world views that 200 years ago, I’m sure one of us would already have challenged the other to an epee duel.

  305. @The Practical Conservative

    So in addition to making people think they’re transgender or gay, social media keeps people childless. I’m willing to buy it.

    Millennials still have time to to procreate though. I have nieces in their 30′s who are just getting started.

  306. @James N. Kennett

    When I was in college in the summer of 1981, I worked as a waiter in a pretty upscale restaurant in Birmingham, Michigan, and one day Betty Friedan came in with her entourage and had lunch.

    Two weeks later, Cybil Shepherd (who was touring with James MacArthur in a show “Lunchtime”) came in.

    Now this was several years BEFORE her TV show “Moonlighting”, the 31-year old Cybil Shepherd was the best looking woman I’d ever seen in person.

    As a 19 year old kid, I was blown away.

    She was then in her physical prime, and she was beyond stunning, or jaw-dropping, or breath-taking – she was a goddess personified.

    The contrast between Betty Friedan and Cybil Shepherd could not have been greater.

    No wonder women like Betty Friedan have spent their lives stewing and spewing about feminism – as long as the Betty Friedans of the world have to live on the same planet as the young Cybil Shepherds, the Friedans will always, always lose.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  307. bomag says:
    @The Practical Conservative

    Looks like Gen X came to terms with feminism, the pill, etc.

    The the Millennials and later got gobsmacked with the internet and social media.

  308. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Why wouldn’t they? It’s probably the least stressful thing they would be getting paid for in the course of a day.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  309. Rosie says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    One can tell that you’re infected by the feminist mind virus, because you consider someone working hard to give you things and make you happy to be having “all the power.”

    I may be infected with the feminist mind virus, but I have sufficient antibodies to keep it under control, i.e. I’m immune.

    But yes, when someone is totally dependent on you for the necessities of life, you have “all the power.” No sense pretending otherwise. I adore, pamper, and provide for my cat; that doesn’t mean he has the power in the relationship.

    Now, since you didn’t actually answer my question, I’ll assume the answer is that men cannot be happy with an independently wealthy woman, according to you. IOW, masculinity cannot exist without femininity, which I fear you define as helplessness.

  310. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Why wouldn’t they? It’s probably the least stressful thing they would be getting paid for in the course of a day.

    I’ve actually been giving this matter some thought the past 24 hours or so. Given no other options, would it actually be better to be a prostitute with numerous customers, some of whom you might like, and some degree of independence? Or would it be better to just have one customer whom you are forced to live with and cook for, clean up after, etc… I’m not really sure. It probably depends on the working conditions as well as material rewards of freelancing as opposed to being kept.

  311. Rosie says:
    @Philip Owen

    Banks offering mortgages based on the wife’s income as well as the husband’s. So, couples started an arms race to buy better, bigger houses. Ultimately, women who didn’t want to work had to in order to have access to the same standard of housing as their older relatives had managed on one income.

    This!

    Houses have got bigger and much more expensive. Otherwise, much of the second income has been spent on a second vehicle, child care, preprepared meals and other compensation.

    This!

    The economy has grown due to more workers but families are not better off. The biggest gainers were the banks.

    And this!

    I would also add that dual-income families actually need bigger houses.

    When you have two people getting ready for work in the morning, this kind of excess seems to make some sort of sense:

  312. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The author is projecting North American/Western European attitudes & values. In reality, successful (more or less) societies like most eastern European, Israeli, east Asian etc., give high priorities to women, but women do not exploit their slightly privileged status.

    East Asian societies are heading for extinction. They just aren’t reproducing. A society that no longer reproduces itself is by definition a failed society.

    Fertility rates in most of eastern Europe are also catastrophically low.

    The question is whether all these societies are dying because industrialisation and urbanisation lead inevitably to disaster or whether they’re dying because of cultural poison (such as feminism) from the West.

    • Replies: @bomag
  313. @L Woods

    Game is explicitly the alternative to approaches along those lines.

  314. @stillCARealist

    True but wildly suboptimal for all concerned.

  315. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Travis

    Feminism is 100 years old

    That would be news to Mary Wollstonecraft who was under the impression she invented it in 1792, with her book A Vindication of the Rights of Woman.

    Feminism was just one of the many poisoned fruits of the Enlightenment.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  316. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Tyrion, the quit-listening-to-your-elders thing started, well, right about 49 years ago, interestingly, as in “don’t trust anyone over 30″.

    The quit-listening-to-your-elders thing was well established in the 1920s. Watch some movies and read some popular fiction of the interwar period and you’ll find that it was a very big thing at that time.

    The First World War was the beginning of the end for our civilisation. There had been a sickness within western western civilisation since the Enlightenment but the First World War turned it into a terminal illness.

  317. @stillCARealist

    They don’t have time to end up at 12% childless, that’s not how biology works. Best case is Millennials end up at Boomer’s 20% childless.

  318. Jay Fink says:
    @Perelandra

    I think women need to change their tastes in men from primitive to civilized. If women liked (what they perceive as) weak men it would be a near utopia with stable families and no crime . Crime is a strategy lower class strong men use to attract women. I would go as far as saying the root cause of most misery in society is women choosing strong over weak men.

  319. @Jim Don Bob

    That appears to be a “Moonlighting” publicity shot from the late 1980′s – a good-looking woman in her late ’30′s.

    But when I saw her, she was closer to this:

    https://www.discogs.com/artist/300159-Cybill-Shepherd

  320. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    …to convince short, balding, squatty men that they can slay hot poon… gammas gonna gamma, and there is really no way for them to employ the concepts of Game with skill and aplomb like those who have looks, money, and an outgoing personality.

    Game teaches the practical skills of projecting confidence; authority; and leadership, which greatly helps someone with women of his cohort.

    Proponents have oversold it by promising that anyone can now bag a supermodel, but that doesn’t change the underlying value of its dynamics.

  321. bomag says:
    @dfordoom

    East Asian societies are heading for extinction.

    Or maybe they are making a rational decision to level off/reduce their populations, in no way suggesting it go to zero.

    The “grow forever” model is not sustainable. A people can crash soft or crash hard.

  322. @ScarletNumber

    Steve reviewed it pretty favorably a while back. (As did the Slate Star Codex guy.)

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/06/in-defense-of-elizabeth-warren.html

    One of the ways you can tell he was favorable is the title (“In Defense of Elizabeth Warren”).

    Still, while she correctly identified and convincingly measured the real estate and second-income aspects of the problem, she mostly missed the underlying causes. Worse, her political career since publishing the book has been mostly on a platform of aggravating the underlying problems, not remediating them, which gives the impression that she either doesn’t understand the implications of her own book or doesn’t care.

    What are the implications? Mass immigration, coercive desegregation, and rampant credentialization have been terrible for American families. As a Senator, she has worked to make all three worse.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  323. @dfordoom

    poisoned fruit

    There’s your start date for feminism.

  324. @The Practical Conservative

    Because we are not rich, lazy, irresponsible, nor douches.

  325. Art Deco says:
    @Philip Owen

    Ultimately, women who didn’t want to work had to in order to have access to the same standard of housing as their older relatives had managed on one income.

    Again, the notion that the general run of the population had higher real incomes in 1970 than they do today is false. In 1970, nominal employee compensation summed to $623 bn, paid out to 78.6 million employed persons (averaged over the year). That’s a nominal sum of $7,930 per worker per year. In 2017, you had $10,407 bn in employee compensation paid out to 153.3 million employed persons, or a nominal sum of $67,890 per worker per year. Over the period running from 1970 to 2017, the nominal prices for personal consumption goods (and that includes housing) increased almost precisely 5-fold. In today’s currency units, compensation per worker as it was in 1970 is now $37,420 per worker per year. You’ve seen an 80% real increase since 1970. Again, 36% of the working population was female in 1970 (v. 47% today); it’s not as if the female population was sequestered.

  326. @Philip Owen

    Banks offering mortgages based on the wife’s income as well as the husband’s. So, couples started an arms race to buy better, bigger houses. Ultimately, women who didn’t want to work had to in order to have access to the same standard of housing as their older relatives had managed on one income.

    Interesting. In the UK, the outcome of increased lending was different: housing simply increased in price. 40 years ago, banks would lend 3 times the husband’s salary plus one times the wife’s. If the wife had a steady income from paid work after the children got older, the family could have a high standard of living.

    Nowadays, banks lend 3 to 4.5 times total household income, property prices have risen to match, and couples cannot afford to have as many children as they would like. For those who cannot afford to buy a house, rents in the private rented sector have risen in proportion to property values, and the situation is equally dire. This has driven a demographic crisis except among the UMC and those who have enough victim points to receive low-rent public housing. And so we have a shortage of young workers, but that’s OK because the Government has the cunning plan of importing them from such places as Somalia, Afghanistan, and Sudan.

    It’s as if the purpose of the economy is not to satisfy economic wants, or even to provide for the healthy propagation of families and the nation, but to extract the maximum amount of money for bankers and landlords.

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  327. @Autochthon

    80k/yr isn’t rich and is a typical household income of SAHMs who use part-time daycare. And that’s not counting the SAHMs whose relatives provide the part-time care gratis. A neighbor girl or grandma bouncing a baby for 15 hours a week instead of mom doesn’t make mom irresponsible or lazy. It makes mom historically normal.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  328. Art Deco says:
    @James N. Kennett

    It’s as if the purpose of the economy is not to satisfy economic wants, or even to provide for the healthy propagation of families and the nation, but to extract the maximum amount of money for bankers and landlords.

    “The economy” does not have a purpose. It is an abstract term for the whole field of transactions. The individual transactions have a purpose, which is to improve the utility of each side of the transaction, as far as each side can understand the properties of what is being exchanged. Rental real-estate is about as decentralized a business as their is and landlords are price-takers. As for finance, there is no secular upward trend in real interest rates.

  329. L Woods says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I mean yes, but every subculture has its myths. It’s pertinent to the larger truth, as our betters in the MSM are wont to say.

  330. dwb says:
    @Art Deco

    Here are some interesting data, Art

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

    In 1973, the median hourly wage commanded was $4.03. In 2018, that same number was $22.65. Nominally, income had gone up more than five-fold.

    The problem is, purchasing power (due to inflation) is not constant. That same $4.03 in 2018 dollars had a purchasing power of $23.68.

    Your perceived wages are higher, but in reality, what you actually take home in value is actually less.

  331. @The Practical Conservative

    Brother, where I live fifteen hours’ daycare will easily cost $525.00 – how is Nebraska this time of year, anyway? The leaves turning yet?

  332. @Autochthon

    I’m a housewife and mother of young children, not a brother, sorry. Suitable part-time nursery/preschool costs that per month, along the American coasts. Perhaps not in NYC, but all of America outside NYC isn’t “Nebraska”.

    But it’s not hard to find part-time care on an hourly basis for 15-25/hr along the coasts and 10-15 more rurally that is from nice young American girls in high school and college. If it were, SAHMs wouldn’t be using it at such a large rate.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  333. Anon[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I know your angle, Father, it makes the confessions more fun. I was mostly talking about other people, though…

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