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From The Telegraph:

Noor, 31, is the oldest of Mohamed Abass and Rahmo Ali’s ten children

Lots more where he came from …

and is a frequent presence at his parents’ modest white two-storey home, which they share with his four younger siblings and is just 2km from his apartment.

Forklift driver Chris Miller, 49, has lived next door for the past two years and said he wasn’t surprised to learn Noor was the policeman making international headlines for firing on Ms Damond after she called 911 about what she thought was a sexual assault in the alley behind her house.

“He is extremely nervous … he is a little jumpy … he doesn’t really respect women, the least thing you say to him can set him off,” Mr Miller said.

“When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’”

He said Noor, who has refused to explain to investigators what led him to shoot dead bride-to-be Damond, was a strict and ill-tempered presence in the townhouse block, where children play together in a playground in a small park between the units.

“He got into it with the kids, they were outside playing and something got stuck in a tree and he came out and he just started yelling at the kids because they were out here playing,” Mr Miller said.

“He has an air like you just couldn’t really be around him.”

Obviously, the solution for the problem of Muslims in Africa having ten kids is for them to move to Minneapolis where their kids’ can get diversity jobs with guns.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you’d need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    I want them gone,back where they came from or perhaps Malibu or Martha's Vineyard ,Tel Aviv,or Hell,and I want the filthy scum behind bringing them here to pay for their crimes. We can start with Mr. B+ who should be sent back with them. Piece of shit!
    , @passive-aggressivist
    they tried to come up with a cost in fargo:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9977bg4
    , @Barnard
    While the refugees from Somalia get the most attention, those from the rest of the continent, especially the other countries in East Africa, aren't much better. According to this article from Pew, there were 2.1 million African immigrants living the United States in 2015. Even if half become good citizens, based on your reasonable estimate for the social cost of those who don't, that is still going to cost $262.5 billion. I don't see how any country could get through this and maintain first world status.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/
    , @International Jew

    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?
     
    That would be a good term paper topic in an economics course...which, broadened to take in the costs of the refugee program as a whole could be a good senior thesis. For someone who doesn't care about his grades, his employment prospects, and his marriage prospects that is.
    , @George
    "What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?"

    So far none, if you work for the government. The ability of these people to pay lavish pensions of retired mostly white civil servants on a long term basis should be suspect, but so far isn't.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    Influx of third world immigrants
    Increase in census numbers, but not voters
    Increase in federal funding.
    Increase in real estate taxes.
    Increase in government worker pay and numbers.
    Underfunding of pension plans.

    At some point, the underfunding of the pension plans will not be able to be corrected by taxing the third world peasants.

    That said there is a South Asian grocery store I shop at. The grocer's children are in dental school. To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are either extremely low rent, or unachievable (video game architect), or government. So there is definitely a problem in the legacy American 'community'. Unable solve that problem US leadership took a hail mary pass with immigration.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.
     
    A wonderfully phrased and all too apt description of our current situation.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Very well said, reasoned, and calculated, sir. We live in L.A. and FREQUENTLY see the family in front of us at the grocery store, usually Mexican, speak Spanish to the cashier, who often speak Spanish, while "paying" for their groceries with an EBT card. Even better when the fat troll of a mother is pregnant with yet another kid as well.

    Commonly these people have at least three children with them. Because, of course, the decent, grateful, responsible thing to do when settling in a new country is to have more children when you know that your household's lower-wage job(s) -- if any on-the-books job at all -- cannot readily support the child or children you already have, at the expense of your hosts.

    It's a sickening and infuriating feeling to see yourself working to feed your own children AND an even greater number of children belonging to strangers. Doesn't help that the strangers often don't speak our language well, don't seem to be trying to learn, and definitely don't seem grateful or friendly.

    Those same people get quote FREE car seats and stroller and even formula when they have a baby, FREE bike helmets, FREE medical care through fed and state taxpayers I.e. MediCal, and schooling with the other dimwits that is not remotely offset by the sales taxes their parents pay (they generally pay zero state and fed income tax and even get quote back money that they never paid in the first place, through the Orwellian-named "Earned" income Tax Credit).

    Slaves is the right word for any hardworking American taxpayer, of any race. In practice, though, it is overwhelmingly white nonHispanic Americans who foot the bill, as well as Asian Americans in some locales as they tend to earn enough to pay Fed and state income taxes too.

    P.S. See how fast these Mexicans and other third worlders would "hate" us and be "bigoted" against us if the shoe were on the other foot and we came to their country by the tens of millions and outbred them at their expense,

    , @Olorin
    I can tell you that this is precisely the kind of question that economists whisper about over beer or on the golf course...but would never in a thousand years actually try to answer.

    Any sane person with a working knowledge of economics or even basic bookkeeping/budgeting would ask this question.

    Any economist with a job would avoid it.

    It is one of the two most important questions of The Current Year, IMO, intertwined with my other pet one: who is organizing this people trafficking, and how are they economically profiting?

    I.e., an economic analysis of "refugee resettlement programs" is well overdue.

    Economists ignore huge and crucial issues by dismissing them as "externalities" or a non-quantifiable "social good."

    Fact is, they don't want to try to measure...because they know what they will find. Numbers be racist.

  2. Someone needs to do commenter Lot’s calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance “costs” to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Most Somalis get here as refugees under refugee resettlement programs. Refugees are allowed instant access to a panoply of state and Federal welfare programs. Now that they have their foothold here they will bring in more useless Somalis via immigration in addition to refugee programs.

    Large populations of Somalis in UK and Canada. .... like they have a gold card for entering and plopping themselves down in civilized Anglo sphere nations.

    , @Ed
    Somalis in Minnesota have a poverty rate that's above 50%. They also have very low college attendance and completion rates. I have heard they have better business formation rates and their areas are better than similarly situated African American areas. I think Lot's estimates are a reasonable first place to start.
    , @bomag

    the expected cost of each Somali immigrant...
     
    Understand that our political opponents see this as a feature, not a bug: more spending on baby sitters for their Somali pets enlarges and enriches their political base, while leaving the deplorables poorer and more out-voted.
    , @donut
    Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer in an interview on Red Ice TV when speaking of the Somali invasion of Columbus , Ohio said he couldn't understand why they all wanted to come to the USA since they are living the Libertarian dream in Somalia . I know he's not popular here but it was still a pretty funny line , I thought .
    , @AndrewR
    We live in a society that has spent trillions of dollars on trying to make Africans into law-abiding productive citizens. What's a few billion dollars more for a different group of Africans? Wir schaffen das.
    , @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.
    , @Lurker

    the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap.
     
    But, of course, did not implement a cap on the importation of large families likely to receive welfare.
    , @MBlanc46
    Unfortunately, the institutions that are responsible for making information publicly available are almost without exception supporters of mass immigration from the Third World and actively suppress any information that they perceive as being detrimental to that project.
  3. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    Most Somalis get here as refugees under refugee resettlement programs. Refugees are allowed instant access to a panoply of state and Federal welfare programs. Now that they have their foothold here they will bring in more useless Somalis via immigration in addition to refugee programs.

    Large populations of Somalis in UK and Canada. …. like they have a gold card for entering and plopping themselves down in civilized Anglo sphere nations.

    • Replies: @Jake
    They DO have a gold card for entering and plopping. And it is the Elites of the Anglosphere who want it.

    Just like the WASP Elites of the Victorian era wanted London, and then other English cities, blessed with hordes of Jewish immigrants.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "refugee resettlement programs" is a euphemism for trafficking in human beings.

    Jewish, Catholic and Lutheran Family Services are middle men in the modern slave trade.

    Profiting from recolonizing aliens in one's native country is treason and those who benefit by administering these programs should be hung by the neck until dead, preferably in a public place where they will serve as an example to others who may be tempted to betray their countrymen for personal gain.
    , @Logan
    Most of the assistance programs specifically for refugees have time limits: 90 days, 120 days, 2 years, 8 years, etc.

    Very complicated, and probably varies by state.
  4. • Replies: @El Dato

    One student, Abdi Sheikh, said he saw hundreds of students fighting in what appeared to be a racial incident.

    “A big riot,” he said. “It was all types of races.”
     
    "A day at the races", eh?
  5. No link to the Telegraph article.

  6. “When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’”

    I remember having this reaction several years ago when a friend of mine’s boyfriend bludgeoned his ex-girlfriend (with whom he was having an affair) with a hammer and then, after she managed to escape the house, locked himself in the bathroom and shot himself in the head.

    “Oh man. That’s crazy, but… I can see it.”

    (What’s especially unnerving is that I got along quite well with the guy the few times we all hung out…)

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    , @Detective Club
    The NYC local TeeVee news always has the following :
    "I can't imagine how he would wind up and do such a thing? - - - not in a million years! He was such a good neighbor! Maybe something happened and he just snapped. You know, he just went off all of a sudden, maybe that could have been it! I wonder what it was that made him do that! Maybe we'll never know!"
  7. Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    • Replies: @anonguy
    It was specifically targeted because of all its nice things.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Very revealing quotation and link, thank you, Wren.

    So, Minnesota has a system that might "work" in a high-trust society populated by relatively more-intelligent people who share a common culture, have a strong work ethic, have a sense of shame about abusing the system, and have a sense of obligation to their fellow citizens.

    In other words, the exact opposite of what we get by importing Somalis and their ilk.

    Yeah, great logic, fed gov, thanks.

    A beautiful place Minnesota was. Used to look forward to going there for work. Even in the winter! (But then I was single then ;)

    , @Almost Missouri

    "Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings"
     
    I.e., the gibs.

    This is also the reason that so many welfare-sponging American blacks migrated to Minnesota in the last quarter century or so. People who are functionally illiterate can be remarkably effective at comparative welfare analysis. If you ever get a chance to eavesdrop on this kind of ghetto conversation, I commend the experience. It is the financial version of Dave Chappelle's Ghetto Paralegal:

    https://youtu.be/My8SvYeZakA

    As a result of this, Minnesota went from near zero blacks to about 1/7. Steve had an article about this (Wisconsin version, but as everyone outside the Upper Midwest knows, Minnesota and Wisconsin are pretty much the same thing).

    I've taken flak here before for saying this, but the welfare state really is a dysgenic civilization-buster, and can only exist in the most carefully controlled environment (e.g., Denmark). Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide.
    , @JimB
    All those good things in Minnesota like robust entitlement offerings and a large number of charitable organizations presuppose a robust northern European white majority to pay for it. We've already seen how the third world mass migration story plays out in late-20th century Michigan and Illinois. The white population collapses due to out-migration of business, skyrocketing crime rates, un-affordable family formation, and diversity government tax persecution. The public sector then implodes.

    Today, refugees and other migrants are being dumped directly into Minnesota's social safety net, where most will stay unto the umpteenth generation. Within a couple of decades the Great Lakes will be entirely ringed by third world no-go zones where everyone lives off Mark Zuckerberg's free money. Which will be just around the time Mark Zuckerberg begins to look like George Soros.

    , @Desiderius

    Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state
     
    Inject 50k Somalis into it and it won't take long before that's no longer the case.

    Wonder if that was the plan.
  8. • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @27 year old
    Woah, hey, let's stick to Somlians here, jews having large families and scamming welfare are somehow not relevant and also antisemitism something something.
    , @Lot
    Idiots think in anecdotes rather than statistics.
  9. How much more enrichment will it take for Minnesota to turn red?

    Funny how GoodWhites flip when exposed to diversity.

    • Replies: @Thea
    We can't vote our way out of this mess.
    , @prole
    Well stated. Trump will most likely win Minnesota in 2020 if he runs, even if another neoconservative like McMullen runs a's a third party spoiler.
    , @jack ryan
    It's getting close. Trump lost Minnesota by just a few % points.

    The key is to get popular, celebrity candidates - sports stars, actors, that sort of think. It can be some Libertarian Constitutionalist policy wonk.
    , @in the middle
    No one should be judged for wanting to live among his/hers own people. The United States has enough people as it is, and we don't need Obombo's refugees any more. Send them to live near Obombo's and or Hell-lier, Enough is enough. Muslims hate women as it is, and they are extremely insecure thus don't want their women to show their faces, because other men will look a them and might want them and then they will be left to hold hands with their other males, as when I was in Saudi watching guys holding hands; yes Muslims don't like gays? yeah right! They only like males as I saw, since never once did I saw them hold hands with a lady.
  10. • Replies: @bomag

    “Everybody knows Canada, everybody has a relative in Canada and we are a very connected community where everybody is everybody else’s cousin,” Abdirizak Bihi, the director of the Somali Social Advocacy Centre, said.
     
    "Lake Wobegon; where all the men are twitchy, the women are veiled, and all the children are related."
  11. Ed says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    Somalis in Minnesota have a poverty rate that’s above 50%. They also have very low college attendance and completion rates. I have heard they have better business formation rates and their areas are better than similarly situated African American areas. I think Lot’s estimates are a reasonable first place to start.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Professional economist-liars classify street corner fruit carts as 'businesses'.

    Beware the trick of being misled.
    , @a boy and his dog
    Business formation rates for immigrants will always be higher than for natives because they don't have an organic place in the local economy. I suspect that if you look at Europeans in Japan for example they will also have a higher rate of business formation than native Japanese. Mostly pubs and other expat related venues, once they get sick of Japanese business culture (or burnt out) and decide to do their own thing. The point being, that statistic doesn't tell us anything about whether Somalis are good people or add anything to our society.
    , @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

  12. (i) Is it wise to have a woman mayor and a woman police chief in charge of a male Somali?

    (ii) The victim was a “life coach”. As an Ozzie she presumably didn’t know the rule that in the US the wise man or woman keeps clear of the police.

  13. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    I want them gone,back where they came from or perhaps Malibu or Martha’s Vineyard ,Tel Aviv,or Hell,and I want the filthy scum behind bringing them here to pay for their crimes. We can start with Mr. B+ who should be sent back with them. Piece of shit!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel ;)

    We shouldn't admit any noneuropean refugees, but if we supposedly must, then the
    Y should ALL be settled in the wealthiest, most far-left, antiwhite / hypocrite "GoodWhite" parts of the country: LA, Santa Monica, Malibu, San Fran, Silicon Valley, Manhattan, Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard, Wash DC, and every affluent Jewish enclave along the coasts of south Florida.

    Let the rapes, robberies, vandalism, intimidation increase to hellish levels -- in the backyards and homes of the people who imposed it on us.
    , @Eagle Eye

    I want [the Somalis] gone,back where they came from ...
     
    Better idea - let's keep the Somalis here. People in those states that welcomed them deserve their guests, hard and good.

    HOWEVER, for each Somali brain surgeon, rocket scientist, classical scholar etc., ONE social worker, Lutheran/Catholic/Jewish "charity" scamster, social benefits administrator etc. will be put on a one-way steamer to Somalia.

    After all, who are we to say that Linda the nice white social worker is more valuable than Mohammad bin Mohammad the welfare scammer and occasional rapist.

    Upon departure, Linda and all the other elite "social entrepreneurs" and specialists of spending other people's money will be stripped of their U.S. citizenship, and allowed to spend the rest of their lives among the charming, thoroughly authentic, khat-chewing natives of the Horn of Africa.

  14. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    the expected cost of each Somali immigrant…

    Understand that our political opponents see this as a feature, not a bug: more spending on baby sitters for their Somali pets enlarges and enriches their political base, while leaving the deplorables poorer and more out-voted.

  15. @PiltdownMan

    “Everybody knows Canada, everybody has a relative in Canada and we are a very connected community where everybody is everybody else’s cousin,” Abdirizak Bihi, the director of the Somali Social Advocacy Centre, said.

    “Lake Wobegon; where all the men are twitchy, the women are veiled, and all the children are related.”

  16. @wren
    Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.


     

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    It was specifically targeted because of all its nice things.

  17. Off Topic although related to immigration:

    Steve has said homosexuals are one group that often do quite well in a social hierarchy (I think I’ve got that right).

    How did homosexuals do in the Ottoman Empire?

    It looks like it wasn’t too bad for them according to Wikipedia. I wonder because most gays seem pretty accepting of mass Muslim immigration into the West, which strikes the average guy as odd, since we think of Muslims as being very anti-gay.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Spot on. REAL historic Muslim societies incorporate homosexuality as a means of dealing with the problem of what to do with all those randy young males when women are essentially off limits (As in MOST traditional societies. Think: Athens... Dante's Beatrice ... Michael Corleone in Sicily), and expect them to eventually marry and settle down. Much better than our solution: imitate Negroes by establishing your "manliness" by fathering as many children with as many girls as soon as possible.
    , @Robert Hume
    Maybe gays don't stand out so much in a polygamist society. Lots of unmarried men around. Lots of potential company.
    , @RadicalCenter
    It seems that plenty of Muslim men will have no problem f------ "our" homosexuals, HBUT (Hypocrisy Be Upon Them). Of course, those same men may go on to agitate for violence and atrocities against those same partners, through sharia "law."

    Like the other groups pushing for the Muslim colonization of our country, it would be funny to see those traitorous little bitches suffer the consequences at the hands of their Islamic buddies -- if our children weren't going to suffer along with them.

    , @Cortes
    Fire in the hole

    Maybe.

  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It seems likely that the damn near the entirety of the Somalian population population will, eventually, depart their native land and impose themselves on the various gullible fool nations of Europe and north America.
    That much, at least, can be relied upon to come to pass.

    But, the real question is, when will the other basket-case nations of sub-Saharan Africa learn this ‘neat little trick’, (impersonating the persecuted and fleeing your own self created Hell), and impose themselves upon the dumb white fools?
    After all there’s only 1.4 billion of them going on 4 billion by century’s end.

    My firm prediction is white foolishness – granite-like in its impermeability to basic, elementary ‘horse-sense’ logic and reason, as exemplified by those disgusting tom-fool idiots who write for The Economist, will triumph as, it seems, the power of Economist brain-dead scurrilous stupidity and mendacity is the strongest political force known on the planet – more powerful even than the exponential law as practised by the lewd and libidinous black African.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    I was just reading an article at the Financial Times (even more elitist than The Economist!)

    FT also publishes a section called "How To Spend It" – referring to millionaire readers. The Economist is positivily down market by comparison.

    Anyway, in the comments of an FT article one commenter told another "you're a racist."

    I responded to him, some of us have heard that so long that we no longer care.

    And I pointed out that there was a sizeable number of us who are of necessity "in the closet" to some degree.

    Most of us (sensibly) use pseudonyms here. After all, you could lose your job if the boss found out you hang around this digraceful site.
    , @The Alarmist

    "It seems likely that the damn near the entirety of the Somalian population population will, eventually, depart their native land and impose themselves on the various gullible fool nations of Europe and north America."
     
    Look at the bright side ... there won't be any remaining Somali rebels to lob IEDs at our occupying troops.
  19. @Ed
    Somalis in Minnesota have a poverty rate that's above 50%. They also have very low college attendance and completion rates. I have heard they have better business formation rates and their areas are better than similarly situated African American areas. I think Lot's estimates are a reasonable first place to start.

    Professional economist-liars classify street corner fruit carts as ‘businesses’.

    Beware the trick of being misled.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Never mind the panoply of government grants and loans available to "refugees" skewing the numbers when comparing them to native blacks.
  20. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer in an interview on Red Ice TV when speaking of the Somali invasion of Columbus , Ohio said he couldn’t understand why they all wanted to come to the USA since they are living the Libertarian dream in Somalia . I know he’s not popular here but it was still a pretty funny line , I thought .

  21. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    We live in a society that has spent trillions of dollars on trying to make Africans into law-abiding productive citizens. What’s a few billion dollars more for a different group of Africans? Wir schaffen das.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Nice. But it's even more accurate to say, per the title of a book a few years ago, "Wir schaffen uns ab" (if I remember it right).
  22. F. SCOTT FITZGERALD : The Rich are different than you or me.
    ERNEST HEMINGWAY : Yes, they have more money.

    NANCY PELOSI : Third-World immigrants are different than White racists.
    JEB BUSH : Yes, the Immigration Act of 1965 is absolutely vital to the survival of the Democratic Party and Trump needs to be impeached like yesterday.

  23. @larry lurker

    “When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’”
     
    I remember having this reaction several years ago when a friend of mine's boyfriend bludgeoned his ex-girlfriend (with whom he was having an affair) with a hammer and then, after she managed to escape the house, locked himself in the bathroom and shot himself in the head.

    "Oh man. That's crazy, but... I can see it."

    (What's especially unnerving is that I got along quite well with the guy the few times we all hung out...)

    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: “my friend’s boyfriend”

    Acceptable: “the boyfriend of a friend of mine”

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): “a friend of mine’s boyfriend”

    Even your proper use of “whom” was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul…

    • Disagree: dearieme
    • Replies: @Hairway To Steven
    Unacceptable: Interventions in on-line comment sections over minor grammatical offenses.

    Worse than someone who thinks that the holocaust sets "a low bar" for awfulness: Nothing I can think of off-hand.
    , @larry lurker
    Hey thanks for the tip!

    For what it's worth, if someone had shown me your comment without the handle and asked me to guess which iSteve regular wrote it, "AndrewR" honestly would've been my first guess. Congrats?

    , @for-the-record
    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): “a friend of mine’s boyfriend”

    Absolute rubbish -- the construction has a long historical pedigree and is only objected to by pedants or pseudo-pedants, or ignoramuses.
    , @Autochthon
    bend
    , @Autochthon
    I teied to agree, but I was locked out if the system, as it were. I find when this happens (ai presume because a cookie has expired or some such) I can rectify matters by making a comment and immediatelt deleting it, with the wffect that i am logged back into the system for having entered my handle and address. In the event, I was unable to delete the comment (no opportunity was given at all to edit or delete it).

    Thus, I offer my fervent support for your crusade against this writing in the manner of adolescent girls' speech, and a bloated explanation of myself at no additional charge.

    Apropopos of nothing, may I add that everyone I encounter is now a shapeless blob? I'd say one in fifty persons has some modicum of fitness. The world was not so in my youth.
    , @Broski
    What's the grammar problem here? Style, sure, but rules differ from guidelines.
  24. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Here you go, "Lot" and "Clyde".
    https://needtoknow.news/2017/06/new-jersey-orthodox-jewish-families-arrested-welfare-scam/

    Woah, hey, let’s stick to Somlians here, jews having large families and scamming welfare are somehow not relevant and also antisemitism something something.

    • Replies: @biz
    Some slight differences between the two cases you could consider:

    1) Haredi Jews are natural born citizens of the US not imported refugees generally

    2) While Haredim they take more than their share of state largess, they are generally law abiding and cause no trouble to others outside their insular community.

    3) The issue of Haredi welfare dependence IS frequently discussed

    4) The net balance of payments to the US treasury from Jews as a whole is quite positive, because while Haredim are welfare users, seculars are well paid professionals (yes, this holds even if you want to include the eleventy trillion dollars per millisecond that the US gives Israel, or whatever the latest fake figure being cited here is)
    , @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.
  25. >an air like you just couldn’t really be around him.

    You just can’t really be around them. Isn’t that a perfect expression of Somalians in a nutshell?

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    I have a friend that befriended a Somalian man. On the three or four occasions I've met him he literally started arguments with every single person in the vicinity. I saw him at parties going from one man to another, and within a few minutes there would be shouting and angry fingers pointed and people having to separate them. I might have thought he had a problem with white people, but I've seen him do the same thing with other blacks too. I've never seen anything like it.

    Noone could understand why he was repeatedly allowed to turn up and do this, but my friend always found excuses for him of the 'he's had a hard life' kind. He's quite left wing so I suppose he feels it's worth it for the Pokemon points.

    FWIW This Somalian has an attractive Polish wife too (this is in England).
    , @Anonymous
    Dude, you've been 27 years old for at least a couple of years. What gives? Are you some kind of modern Juan Ponce de León??
  26. @larry lurker

    “When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’”
     
    I remember having this reaction several years ago when a friend of mine's boyfriend bludgeoned his ex-girlfriend (with whom he was having an affair) with a hammer and then, after she managed to escape the house, locked himself in the bathroom and shot himself in the head.

    "Oh man. That's crazy, but... I can see it."

    (What's especially unnerving is that I got along quite well with the guy the few times we all hung out...)

    The NYC local TeeVee news always has the following :
    “I can’t imagine how he would wind up and do such a thing? – – – not in a million years! He was such a good neighbor! Maybe something happened and he just snapped. You know, he just went off all of a sudden, maybe that could have been it! I wonder what it was that made him do that! Maybe we’ll never know!”

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    Things We'd Like To Hear:

    "Your neighbor was just found to have in his house forty bodies buried under his basement, three human heads in his garage freezer, and a bong made from the petrified corpse of a girl who had declared legally dead three years ago. Any comments?"

    "Totally saw it coming."
  27. @Ed
    Somalis in Minnesota have a poverty rate that's above 50%. They also have very low college attendance and completion rates. I have heard they have better business formation rates and their areas are better than similarly situated African American areas. I think Lot's estimates are a reasonable first place to start.

    Business formation rates for immigrants will always be higher than for natives because they don’t have an organic place in the local economy. I suspect that if you look at Europeans in Japan for example they will also have a higher rate of business formation than native Japanese. Mostly pubs and other expat related venues, once they get sick of Japanese business culture (or burnt out) and decide to do their own thing. The point being, that statistic doesn’t tell us anything about whether Somalis are good people or add anything to our society.

  28. BTW Steve what happened to Takis’ “The Week That Perished” this week ? I always look forward to it and it didn’t appear this Sunday . I hope he is well .

    • Replies: @Broski
    That's one of my favorite columns as well. I'm surprised at your apparent assertion that Taki is the writer.
  29. @Ed
    Somalis in Minnesota have a poverty rate that's above 50%. They also have very low college attendance and completion rates. I have heard they have better business formation rates and their areas are better than similarly situated African American areas. I think Lot's estimates are a reasonable first place to start.

    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    The French Left has a term for this (when a "model minority" goes tits up in a big way and embarrasses one & all) : au suivant! (NEXT!). The shooter Somalian cop simply fucked up. So what. There is always another Third-World Fuck-Up willing and able to step into old shoes and fuck up anew. The Left never tires of Third-World Fuck-Ups. It's only when a particular Fuck-Up fucks up in such a way that he has harmed or damaged a Left-wing politician, it's only then that the proverbial feces hits the fan. Then the Left somehow manages to blame the Right as being the proximate cause of the original Fuck-Up and of his having fucked up. It is absolutely maddening when the Left manages to always get away with this sort of blame-shifting. Only when the Left no longer controls the media will its practice of decades-long blame-shifting against the Right come to an end.

    Within 5 miles of John F. Kennedy International Airport, you will see this bumper sticker on some cars in some Black neighborhoods : WELCOME TO JFK : WHERE WINGLESS ASSHOLES ARE DEPARTING & ARRIVING EVERY 5 MINUTES!
    , @MBlanc46
    Success stories such as doctors engaged in Medicare fraud.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Good point, Percy.

    I'd add that even a Somali or Chinese guy or whatever who "works out" as a cop or their gov employee, is not a success story for the American who could and should have been hired for that position.
    , @Autochthon
    Indeed, lwtnus be sure to include data about all the Americans displaced from their jobs as physicians, engineers, and entrepreneurs by overpopulation via invasion, as they cannot compete with imported ringers (whose governments wholly subsidised their educations), being saddled as they are with non-dischargeable debts, mandatory preferences for foreigners and mud people enforced by the EELC and its ilk, and so forth. Let us be sure to include not only practicing engineers and physicians, but also those who abandoned any hope or plan to study for those professions, having sense to see the rigged game they would face upon graduation.

    And let us also include the misery wrougt by these invaders' malpractice, fraud, incompetence, cronyism, and nepotism, as well as the costs of importing their sickly, elderly parents to draw upon benefits to which tjey never contributed, their layabout cousins, and all the rest. Lastly, let us be sure to account for a host of externalities such as the stench of public transit, untenable traffic and congestion, backlogs to visit national parks requiring registration years in advance, and the dysphonia of incessant gabbling in ugly, incomprehensible tongues.

    Let us be very meticulous in these reckonings, by all means.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    In the case of Somalis, I can total that up for you. It's zero.
  30. “Obviously, the solution for the problem of Muslims in Africa having ten kids ”

    Also the solution to vacant real estate? Or empty classrooms. Or empty jails.

  31. If he has 9 siblings, he can bring them here as he is a citizen. How about a post on limiting family members that can be sponsored and brought here?

  32. Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    • Replies: @neutral

    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?
     
    There was, he was Somalian, which is the only qualification he needed.
    , @bomag

    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?
     
    Immigrants from low-trust societies are plenty good at telling people what they want to hear.

    Plus, those in charge had announced, "who will rid me of this troublesome lack of Somali policeman?"
    , @res
    It would be interesting to see details of his hiring and compare how he looked as a candidate to others hired (or not!).
    , @Hibernian
    In Chicago there is a move to lower the bar in terms of psychological stability of police recruits because the psychological testing is unfair to minorities. (I think it may have been alleged that the examiners were unsympathetic to minority males.)
  33. @27 year old
    >an air like you just couldn’t really be around him.

    You just can't really be around them. Isn't that a perfect expression of Somalians in a nutshell?

    I have a friend that befriended a Somalian man. On the three or four occasions I’ve met him he literally started arguments with every single person in the vicinity. I saw him at parties going from one man to another, and within a few minutes there would be shouting and angry fingers pointed and people having to separate them. I might have thought he had a problem with white people, but I’ve seen him do the same thing with other blacks too. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    Noone could understand why he was repeatedly allowed to turn up and do this, but my friend always found excuses for him of the ‘he’s had a hard life’ kind. He’s quite left wing so I suppose he feels it’s worth it for the Pokemon points.

    FWIW This Somalian has an attractive Polish wife too (this is in England).

  34. Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, “what this place needs is more Somalis.”

    • LOL: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @Lurker
    Lol!

    No, that's never happened. Which is why we can infer their presence is an act of naked aggression against the people who have to actually around them.

    Anecdotally - I've heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can't stand them.

    , @candid_observer
    Judging by their fertility rate, every Somali anywhere on earth.
    , @anonymous

    Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, “what this place needs is more Somalis.”
     
    A Djiboutian?
  35. Transracialism alert: I don’t remember Steve covering this at the time:

    “I consider myself black,” she says, adding later that her dad “would look me in the eyes and he’d point his finger at me and he’d be like, ‘You’re black. Be proud of your roots.’ And I’d be like, ‘OK, he’s my dad, why would he lie to me?’ So I just believe what he told me. ‘Cause, to my knowledge, he’s never lied to me.

    “Most people that don’t know me call me white,” Paris concedes. “I’ve got light skin and, especially since I’ve had my hair blond, I look like I was born in Finland or something.” She points out that it’s far from unheard of for mixed-race kids to look like her – accurately noting that her complexion and eye color are similar to the TV actor Wentworth Miller’s, who has a black dad and a white mom.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/paris-jackson-michael-jacksons-daughter-speaks-out-w462501

    • Replies: @Benjamin
    Can we exempt the Jackson family on account that they're insane?
    , @snorlax
    Funnily enough, there was another transracialism story this month, black ESPN announcer Mike Tirico claiming he's really a dark-skinned Sicilian. Same scenario with the races reversed; the kid not wanting to accept that the father on their birth certificate isn't their real father.

    https://www.theroot.com/wait-nbc-sports-announcer-mike-tirico-isnt-black-1796985416
  36. A Black Minnesotan who could have ancestry in the United States that goes back 300 years or more is bothered by a REFUGEE OVERLOAD Somalian horde in a house that was brought to the United States by the US State Department. I am on the side of the regular Black American 100 percent.

    Those Somalians in Minnesota should be deported immediately. If they have United States citizenship they should have their citizenship revoked, and they should undergo an expedited removal process.

    The Democrat Party is pushing mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. The problem is that the Republicans are just as bad.

    Minnesota is being destroyed by REFUGEE OVERLOAD and the Republican Party says nothing about it. Treasonous rats such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio and John Kasich are pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration, amnesty for illegal alien invaders and REFUGEE OVERLOAD. Now is the time to recruit candidates to run against any and all Republican Party politicians who push nation-wrecking mass immigration.

  37. @27 year old
    Woah, hey, let's stick to Somlians here, jews having large families and scamming welfare are somehow not relevant and also antisemitism something something.

    Some slight differences between the two cases you could consider:

    1) Haredi Jews are natural born citizens of the US not imported refugees generally

    2) While Haredim they take more than their share of state largess, they are generally law abiding and cause no trouble to others outside their insular community.

    3) The issue of Haredi welfare dependence IS frequently discussed

    4) The net balance of payments to the US treasury from Jews as a whole is quite positive, because while Haredim are welfare users, seculars are well paid professionals (yes, this holds even if you want to include the eleventy trillion dollars per millisecond that the US gives Israel, or whatever the latest fake figure being cited here is)

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Net balance to the treasury is positive, you say? Perhaps, but we would need to take more factors into account before deciding that, nicht wahr?

    We need to take into account the seemingly very disproportionate number of government jobs, usually higher-paying gov jobs, held by members of that racial-supremacist tribe. A gov employee of any race cannot be a net contributor to the public fisc because his entire salary, benefits, and then pension are paid by the taxpayer.
    , @utu
    I would like to see a comparison between Amish and Haredim

    - criminality
    - Welfare payments community income
    - school voucher payments income
    - costs of DHS anti-terrorist security measures
    - tax payments

    How expensive/profitable are Amish, Haredim, Somalis per capita per year?
  38. One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy’s son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family’s two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. “Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the “refugee” family has been living in the country. “Ten years.” At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    • Replies: @bomag

    ...expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week... At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the “refugee” family has been living in the country. “Ten years.”
     
    Part LOL, and part sadness knowing this is the future.
    , @Anonymous
    So much for Mormon doctrine concerning the 'sons of Ham'.
    , @Ed
    Mormons in Scandinavia:


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/there-arent-many-eligible-mormons-in-greenland-and-thats-a-story-1470840556

    HANDEN, Sweden—Hundreds of young unmarried Mormons descended on a high-school gymnasium here on Stockholm's outskirts late last month for a raucous dance party that would continue until sunrise.

    No alcohol was served, but one would hardly have known. By midnight, the dancing reached a fever pitch. A pack of rowdy Britons in T-shirts emblazoned with “I [heart] Swedish Girls” roamed the floor. Outside, a group attempted something akin to a keg stand with a water cooler.
     
    , @E. Rekshun
    Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative.

    How about Mormon Republican Presidential candidates?
    , @Anon
    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.
    , @Alden
    Old Asian and other immigrants in San Francisco line up at the Glide Memorial Church food bank every week. They get as much as they can, give it to a relative waiting in a car and get right back in line.

    The free food ends up being sold in the immigrant convenience stores. Some Los Angeles community centers had past expiration date bread and pastry sales once or twice a week for people over 60. The old immigrants grabbed it all and the food was sold in their convenience stores.

    By that time it was about 10 days old. Health department stopped it although I'm sure it still goes on with the food banks.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua. I hope they appreciate the effort and don't use them as polishing clothes for their automobiles. Or sell them. Or maybe that's why they send them cloth diapers so they can't resell them.
  39. @Clyde
    Most Somalis get here as refugees under refugee resettlement programs. Refugees are allowed instant access to a panoply of state and Federal welfare programs. Now that they have their foothold here they will bring in more useless Somalis via immigration in addition to refugee programs.

    Large populations of Somalis in UK and Canada. .... like they have a gold card for entering and plopping themselves down in civilized Anglo sphere nations.

    They DO have a gold card for entering and plopping. And it is the Elites of the Anglosphere who want it.

    Just like the WASP Elites of the Victorian era wanted London, and then other English cities, blessed with hordes of Jewish immigrants.

  40. When do the reptile aliens from Rakka arrive to help us? I am ready.

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
  41. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    …expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week… At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the “refugee” family has been living in the country. “Ten years.”

    Part LOL, and part sadness knowing this is the future.

  42. Diversity hire Somali cop kills pajama-clad lady.

    Diversity hire lesbian police chief fired for incompetence.

    Mayor nominates another diversity hire to appease black protesters, hoping the third time’s the charm.

    Remember when our government promised that they would hire based only on ability and not on demographics?

    Institutions have learned that paying off special interest groups makes hiring into an asset.

    Affirmative action kills.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    eddy, and yet yearly we learn that some city's test for police officer or firefighter or teacher is too racist and the results are tossed. These cities won't learn until it's too late. Oh, wait, it is too late, so we have women firefighters who can't carry a ladder, teachers who can't teach and cops who shoot nice blonde ladies wearing PJs.
    , @Cerebral Meek
    This entire thread looks to be filled with people that don't know a thing about Somali work habits. Where I am from they all seem to drive cabs, own convenience stores or own restaurants. Joe, how do you contribute to society? How do you make this world better? Are you simply a cog in a machine or are you making real waves?
  43. @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    The French Left has a term for this (when a “model minority” goes tits up in a big way and embarrasses one & all) : au suivant! (NEXT!). The shooter Somalian cop simply fucked up. So what. There is always another Third-World Fuck-Up willing and able to step into old shoes and fuck up anew. The Left never tires of Third-World Fuck-Ups. It’s only when a particular Fuck-Up fucks up in such a way that he has harmed or damaged a Left-wing politician, it’s only then that the proverbial feces hits the fan. Then the Left somehow manages to blame the Right as being the proximate cause of the original Fuck-Up and of his having fucked up. It is absolutely maddening when the Left manages to always get away with this sort of blame-shifting. Only when the Left no longer controls the media will its practice of decades-long blame-shifting against the Right come to an end.

    Within 5 miles of John F. Kennedy International Airport, you will see this bumper sticker on some cars in some Black neighborhoods : WELCOME TO JFK : WHERE WINGLESS ASSHOLES ARE DEPARTING & ARRIVING EVERY 5 MINUTES!

  44. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    So much for Mormon doctrine concerning the ‘sons of Ham’.

  45. Let’s not forget that as bad as Somalis are, it’s the Hmong who hold the current records for upper midwest migrant mayhem.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Vdare has many Hmong tales of 3rd generation welfare child brides and murder.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Is there anywhere where Hmong and Somalis live together? (Bonus - Native Americans too). That would be something. But I would guess these people prefer to live around more successful types.
  46. What did the young rookie Somali-American cop say when welcomed to the Minneapolis police force?

    “Look at me! Look at me!”

    “I am the Captain now!”

  47. The African-Americans mix w/ Somali children at about the same rate as white kids, near zero. Somalis avoid the elementary birthday parties, and participate in extracurricular activities such as sports at much lower rates. The narrative is going to get much more complicated to explain that.

  48. @Luke Lea
    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    There was, he was Somalian, which is the only qualification he needed.

  49. @27 year old
    >an air like you just couldn’t really be around him.

    You just can't really be around them. Isn't that a perfect expression of Somalians in a nutshell?

    Dude, you’ve been 27 years old for at least a couple of years. What gives? Are you some kind of modern Juan Ponce de León??

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, sort of like buying 25 year old Scotch, eight years after it was bottled, it's still called 25 year old Scotch.
  50. Noor proves we need gun control. For Africans.

  51. As if yet another one were needed, the Somali population in America is a strong argument against foreign intervention. Every time we get involved in some damned foreign war, it looses a stream of refugees towards our borders.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. A, kind of like kamikazes without the planes.
  52. WR says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I’m not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?

    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let’s be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let’s say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let’s call it $6k a year. Let’s ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let’s say we have, what, 2,200 families? That’s $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    • Replies: @res
    He is lowballing at least some of the numbers (e.g. that "conservative" health care estimate). For another example, spending per student in Minneapolis: http://www.startribune.com/billboard-shames-minneapolis-school-district-spending/290816491/

    It calculated the district's spending using a $21,000 allocation per student. But according to the Minnesota Department of Education, Minneapolis spent $14,131 per student in 2014. The state spent $11,011 per pupil. St. Paul spent more than Minneapolis at $14,302.
     
    , @Lot
    That entire thread is worth reading.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Don't forget the indirect costs. A Somali or two in a class room will substantially retard and disrupt the educational process for every other child in that room. A typical Somali family or two in a neighborhood will substantially raise levels of crime, fear, disruption, disorder, and unsanitary conditions.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    If someone is going to do an estimate people can use in an argument, he's gotta be better than this. Nobody's gonng to believe you with this sloppy calculating (not you WR, but the commenter - is this the best they've got on that blog?).

    First, either do "per family" or "per capita", not both. If you're gonna put medicare and public school on a "per family" basis, then since you based it on 9 kids, your 5000 Somalians = 2,200 families is wrong. I'd have stuck to a family-size number of say, 6, throughout.

    Next, the medicare estimate is probably a good bit high, but it IS one big f__d-up Feral-govt program, though, and your un-calculated items, like the free phones and all, may make up for this.

    This is the big one, and the reason I caught this and am commenting at all is just, do the "Does it make sense?" thing in your head when you read numbers! You (the powerline innumerate guy) come up with 1/2 million dollars per family (not my argument), then talk about over 2000 families. How can you get only $10 million total? To do it right, we'd have (rounded, as estimates should be) 500 families, and (think: 1/2 million x 1/2 thousand = 1/4 Billion) $250.000,000. That is one hell of a lot larger than $10 million, and anyone of any influence reading this estimate would see the 10 million as chump change, even at the medium-size-city budget level, and your point would be scoffed at. $250.000,000? Whole nother story!

    The $1/2 million per family may not be far off though. It's the total that's way off. Again, I don't think medicare is quite THAT much, and with a 6-person family, any "per family" numbers from that guy's calculations would make the my estimate lower, as I would be dividing by 6 at the end, not 2.35 or so ( where did he get that? It didn't match the 9. but it should have).
    , @Buffalo Joe
    WR, the governor of NY's office proudly states that the average cost of educating a child in NY is $19000 plus, out spending every other state. We spend too much, but $9000 seems light.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    If someone is going to do an estimate people can use in an argument, he's gotta be better than this. Nobody's gonng to believe you with this sloppy calculating (not you WR, but the commenter - is this the best they've got on that blog?).

    First, either do "per family" or "per capita", not both. If you're gonna put medicare and public school on a "per family" basis, then since you based it on 9 kids, your 5000 Somalians = 2,200 families is wrong. I'd have stuck to a family-size number of say, 6, throughout.

    Next, the medicare estimate is probably a good bit high, but it IS one big f__d-up Feral-govt program, though, and your un-calculated items, like the free phones and all, may make up for this.

    This is the big one, and the reason I caught this and am commenting at all is just, do the "Does it make sense?" thing in your head when you read numbers! You (the powerline innumerate guy) come up with 1/2 million dollars per family (not my argument), then talk about over 2000 families. How can you get only $10 million total? To do it right, we'd have (rounded, as estimates should be) 500 families, and (think: 1/2 million x 1/2 thousand = 1/4 Billion) $250.000,000. That is one hell of a lot larger than $10 million, and anyone of any influence reading this estimate would see the 10 million as chump change, even at the medium-size-city budget level, and your point would be scoffed at. $250.000,000? Whole nother story!

    The $1/2 million per family may not be far off though. It's the total that's way off. Again, I don't think medicare is quite THAT much, and with a 6-person family, any "per family" numbers from that guy's calculations would make the my estimate lower, as I would be dividing by 6 at the end, not 2.35 or so ( where did he get that? It didn't match the 9. but it should have).
    , @Maus
    I have no quibble with your underlying cost assumptions, but the math in your concluding paragraph is way off.
    Your $97K per year is predicated on a 9-member family. If your town has 5000 Somalis, that's approximately 500 basis "families" for an annual cost of $48.5M, not $10.7M. Five year total would be about a quarter billion with a B dollars. Outrageous, particularly since society can have no expectation of a return for value from such a squalid group of parasites.
  53. Meanwhile, a hairy headed gent,
    Ran amok in Kent.
    Lately, he’s been overheard in Mayfair…

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe4_1500867227

    • Replies: @Achmes E. Newman
    Hey, thanks for that! (not just the great song, but I had never known that 3rd lyric line until now - I've got chronic lyricosis; - it's a struggle, I tell ya'. Imagine how it is for me to listen to REM!)
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for that! That's not so much for the good tune but for that third lyric line that I hadn't known till now. I have chronic lyricocis, you see. Yes, it's been a struggle; imagine how it is for me to listen to REM!
  54. There is an argument to be made for black nationalists ( descendants of W. African slaves) and white nationalist joining together against the invaders.

    • Replies: @Broski
    With a geographic separation as part of the alliance, yes. Give the black Americans the portion of the south that was most enthusiastic about importing them as slaves, which happens to most resemble sub-Saharan Africa: SC, AL, MS, LA, GA.
  55. @RobertTaylor
    How much more enrichment will it take for Minnesota to turn red?

    Funny how GoodWhites flip when exposed to diversity.

    We can’t vote our way out of this mess.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    No, likely not.  But having friendly governors and attorneys general who make the gendarmes stand down and no-bill our side when it's OUR turn to go after our enemies is a huge advantage.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Frankly, at this point I don't want to see us vote our way out of this mess.
    I want the bloodiest and most triumphant revolt of the just the world has ever seen.
  56. Did you like this bit?

    and Mr Noor fired his gun, which was in his lap at the time.

    Discovery will be interesting, I imagine. But then, the city will probably rush to settle to avoid discovery.

    • Replies: @anon
    If the photos of Noor in the newspapers are the equivalent of those Trayvon photos, then he must be pretty scary looking when not posing.
    Also note his unusual anthropometry.
    Short upper arm compared to very long lower arm.
    Are people with these dimensions more prone to violence?
  57. Contradictory stories from the two officers:

    https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2017/07/mohamed-noor-ambushed-shot-justine-damond-ruszczyk/

    In an account as gleaned from an un-named friend, the dailymail reports Noor saying he had been startled by the sudden rushing of Damond to the squad car on the evening of the shooting, Saturday, July 15 in what he believed to be a possible ambush in progress.

    After having responded to a 911 call from Damond about a possible sexual assault taking place in a back alley near her home, the officer was on high alert and found himself ‘spooked’ when an unidentified figure emerged from the dark and ran towards the vehicle.

    This despite the claim from Noor’s partner, Matthew Harrity, 26, that he was already conversing with the woman who had come out to greet police officers in her pajamas while holding her cell-phone.

    Hmmm … begins to look like he is lying …

  58. @27 year old
    Woah, hey, let's stick to Somlians here, jews having large families and scamming welfare are somehow not relevant and also antisemitism something something.

    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    Yeah, about that; Ultra-orthodox IQ is lower and in Israel some are starting to analyze them (along with the arabs) as a parasite class of people who take more out of the system than they put in.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.794570
    , @res
    Much depends on what happens with the next generation (and in what proportion). Are they doing the same as their parents or are they behaving more like non-Orthodox Jews? My understanding is it is more the former in which case I think there is a problem. Having a non-productive class (especially if it is fraud prone!) grow more rapidly than the productive is class is not good. My understanding is that Israel is having a similar problem.

    Still, compared with Somalis it is no contest which group I'd rather have in the US.
    , @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.
    , @Bill Jones
    So having vast hordes of smart thieves is better than having vast hordes of dumb thieves?
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Ultra Orthodox Jews most likely prefer Somali Muslims then Jesus loving, pork eating, high IQ Christians... just saying!
    , @snorlax
    The very-inbred and education/reading[1][2]-averse Hasidim aren't a "high IQ"[3] group, I don't think. Gun to my head I'd guess they'd average 95, and I wouldn't be surprised by any number in the ±10 range from that.

    And even if their 10 kids are all John Von Neumann and heterosexual Gertrude Stein[4], it doesn't help much (or at all) if all they do is sponge off welfare.[5] They've become one of the biggest problems in Israel with their refusal to serve in the military like everyone else while simultaneously gaming the welfare system.

    That said, in America they probably do more good than bad: they vote Republican or DINO, they have the right ideas on NAMs and crime, and however much they bilk from the taxpayer is offset by their helpfully providing for us an acceptable PC target we can point to when arguing for welfare reforms.

    [1] Other than the Torah, and even that only for men, IIRC.
    [2] Years of education and amount of reading for pleasure being along with childhood nutrition the most-influential environmental factors affecting IQ.
    [3] Not by American standards anyway, yes by Somali standards, but, optimist that I am, I think we ought to be aiming higher.
    [4] Her Wiki page, which I just finished reading, is quite interesting. She became an enthusiastic fascist and Jewish antisemite in the 30's who spent the war as the honored guest of Marshal Pétain — whom she continued praising until her death in 1946. But, unlike her friend Ezra Pound, she seems to have received a historical pass.
    [5] Or, TBF, sell electronics at very reasonable prices, but sponging off welfare is more the norm. Not unlike how there are Somali restauranteurs and taxi drivers, but the vast majority are sponging off welfare.
    , @Art Deco
    Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children,

    They haven't.
  59. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    they tried to come up with a cost in fargo:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9977bg4

    • Replies: @Barnard
    In response to Fargo city council member Dave Piepkorn simply asking the question, "what is this costing our city", Lutheran Social Services and the Fargo Somalis tried to launch a recall election against him. They withdrew before submitting the petitions concerned they didn't have enough legitimate signatures to get the recall on the ballot.


    http://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Petition-to-Recall-Dave-Piepkorn-will-not-be-Filed-422071233.html
  60. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    While the refugees from Somalia get the most attention, those from the rest of the continent, especially the other countries in East Africa, aren’t much better. According to this article from Pew, there were 2.1 million African immigrants living the United States in 2015. Even if half become good citizens, based on your reasonable estimate for the social cost of those who don’t, that is still going to cost $262.5 billion. I don’t see how any country could get through this and maintain first world status.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/

    • Replies: @Truth
    What if it's more than half?

    http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/
    , @Romanian
    It's amazing that you only imported 400k slaves to begin with back in the day.
  61. @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    Yeah, about that; Ultra-orthodox IQ is lower and in Israel some are starting to analyze them (along with the arabs) as a parasite class of people who take more out of the system than they put in.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.794570

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The ultra-orthodox object to the secular nature of the Israeli state. They are 'parasites' because supporting such a state is against their beliefs. If Israel were a bona fide Jewish state then it would be a different matter.
    , @Jack D
    Link is behind paywall so I can't see the article.

    Ultra-orthodox (in the US at least - in Israel there are also Sephardic UO) are from the same genetic stock as other Ashkenazim so I doubt that this is really true. People who have had little secular education (as many UO have had) tend not to do well on IQ tests designed for the general population. Even if they speak the same language (and for many UO their primary language is Yiddish and not Hebrew or English) words may have a different meaning or be unfamiliar in their culture. They might consider having their kids play with blocks to be a waste of time - better to spend it memorizing prayers. At the turn of the 20th century, many in the US suspected that Jewish immigrants were low IQ for these reasons, but they were really, really wrong. All those Hungarian Jewish Nobelists that Reiner Tor mentioned in a recent thread - chances are their grandpa or great grandpas were UO fanatics with big long beards. But it's pretty clear by now that Somalis (Mexicans, etc.) are not on that path, though maybe some Asian immigrant groups are.
  62. @Saxon
    Yeah, about that; Ultra-orthodox IQ is lower and in Israel some are starting to analyze them (along with the arabs) as a parasite class of people who take more out of the system than they put in.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.794570

    The ultra-orthodox object to the secular nature of the Israeli state. They are ‘parasites’ because supporting such a state is against their beliefs. If Israel were a bona fide Jewish state then it would be a different matter.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Wow that totally makes their behavior ok then
    , @RadicalCenter
    If supporting the State is against their beliefs, then the are obliged to turn down welfare and all subsidies and programs and services from that State that they can realistically turn down. Let's wait for that happen.

    (Cue Derb's crickets......)
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Only the nutty, Iran loving Neturei Karta opposes establishment of Israel before the coming of mashiach and it ain't the dude from Galilee... Satmar, Lubavitch, Bobov et al don't oppose it.
  63. @Barnard
    While the refugees from Somalia get the most attention, those from the rest of the continent, especially the other countries in East Africa, aren't much better. According to this article from Pew, there were 2.1 million African immigrants living the United States in 2015. Even if half become good citizens, based on your reasonable estimate for the social cost of those who don't, that is still going to cost $262.5 billion. I don't see how any country could get through this and maintain first world status.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/
    • Replies: @Barnard
    High school graduation stats are meaningless, the only way our diversity loving school systems would refuse to graduate an African immigrant is if they stopped attending. Mohammed Noor had a college degree, do you think he is a good citizen? Also, if the cost is $250k a year and (best case scenario) it takes 22 years for a child to become an independent, contributing, college educated adult, that is a taxpayer cost of $5.5 million. Do you think that is sustainable?
    , @Jack D
    There seem to be some really bright Igbos (a Nigerian tribe) out there (though this is no guaranty that they don't use their big brains to run really complex fraud schemes) but no one has ever accused Somalis of being really smart.
    , @res
    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    One funny bit from that article was "In an an**ysis of Census Bureau data". A hyperactive naughty word suppressor?

    There is a more recent study at https://www.jbhe.com/2017/07/new-census-study-looks-at-status-of-african-and-caribbean-immigrant-groups/
    I downloaded the more detailed PDF linked there. Not a word about Somali refugees. Methinks someone is cherry picking the data.

    Table 1 was interesting. From 1980 to 2008-2012 (i.e. the ACS study) the overall US population increased 36% while the populations of the groups of African descent they examined all increased ~300% or more--with Ethiopians in the lead with a mind boggling 2,453% increase.
    , @International Jew
    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those "highly educated" African immigrants were the real thing, we'd see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:
    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/
    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don't know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I'll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

  64. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    That would be a good term paper topic in an economics course…which, broadened to take in the costs of the refugee program as a whole could be a good senior thesis. For someone who doesn’t care about his grades, his employment prospects, and his marriage prospects that is.

  65. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap.

    But, of course, did not implement a cap on the importation of large families likely to receive welfare.

  66. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    “What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?”

    So far none, if you work for the government. The ability of these people to pay lavish pensions of retired mostly white civil servants on a long term basis should be suspect, but so far isn’t.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    Influx of third world immigrants
    Increase in census numbers, but not voters
    Increase in federal funding.
    Increase in real estate taxes.
    Increase in government worker pay and numbers.
    Underfunding of pension plans.

    At some point, the underfunding of the pension plans will not be able to be corrected by taxing the third world peasants.

    That said there is a South Asian grocery store I shop at. The grocer’s children are in dental school. To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are either extremely low rent, or unachievable (video game architect), or government. So there is definitely a problem in the legacy American ‘community’. Unable solve that problem US leadership took a hail mary pass with immigration.

    • Replies: @Gaslighting Hotep

    To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are … unachievable (video game architect)
     
    That's a poor example of the unachievable. In fact, software is the only growth industry, which everyone is encouraged to enter these days. Someone is writing the darn things.
    , @Lot
    Going into government work is not a bad idea for average white guys. The pay is better than the private sector when you factor in benefits and the fact you won't ever be expected to work past 5, or else a LEO who makes 6 figures in much of the USA.

    Funny you mention video game design. This is one area of software that is still dominated by white guys because the pay is awful for complicated work. Video game testers around here make around minimum wage.
    , @Autochthon
    Dentistry is increasingly competitive and especially difficult for newly minted dentists lacking capital, mostly precisely because of your invading grocers' spawn.

    It's the overpopulation, stupid.

    (And, as another pointed out, proficiency with Shader X is actually a much more lucrative and wise investment than dental school.)
  67. @Anonymous
    Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, "what this place needs is more Somalis."

    Lol!

    No, that’s never happened. Which is why we can infer their presence is an act of naked aggression against the people who have to actually around them.

    Anecdotally – I’ve heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can’t stand them.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Anecdotally – I’ve heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can’t stand them."

    Once again I repeat the words of a black London street-gamg member - "In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence".

    , @Fredrik
    The report from Sweden is that Somalis is among the worst of immigrant groups. Much worse than your typical Arab or Kurd. The thing is that with basically all the other common immigrant groups it's quite possible to find some that are relatively normal(and are working at the same office as yourself). Somalis not so much. The best of them seem to be busdrivers.

    They are only challenged for the title by gypsies.
  68. @Luke Lea
    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    Immigrants from low-trust societies are plenty good at telling people what they want to hear.

    Plus, those in charge had announced, “who will rid me of this troublesome lack of Somali policeman?”

  69. @Truth
    What if it's more than half?

    http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/

    High school graduation stats are meaningless, the only way our diversity loving school systems would refuse to graduate an African immigrant is if they stopped attending. Mohammed Noor had a college degree, do you think he is a good citizen? Also, if the cost is $250k a year and (best case scenario) it takes 22 years for a child to become an independent, contributing, college educated adult, that is a taxpayer cost of $5.5 million. Do you think that is sustainable?

    • Replies: @Truth
    $250,000 a year for what?

    What did you eat growing up?
  70. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobertTaylor
    Off Topic although related to immigration:

    Steve has said homosexuals are one group that often do quite well in a social hierarchy (I think I've got that right).

    How did homosexuals do in the Ottoman Empire?

    It looks like it wasn't too bad for them according to Wikipedia. I wonder because most gays seem pretty accepting of mass Muslim immigration into the West, which strikes the average guy as odd, since we think of Muslims as being very anti-gay.

    Spot on. REAL historic Muslim societies incorporate homosexuality as a means of dealing with the problem of what to do with all those randy young males when women are essentially off limits (As in MOST traditional societies. Think: Athens… Dante’s Beatrice … Michael Corleone in Sicily), and expect them to eventually marry and settle down. Much better than our solution: imitate Negroes by establishing your “manliness” by fathering as many children with as many girls as soon as possible.

    • Replies: @Truth

    ncorporate homosexuality as a means of dealing with the problem of what to do with all those randy young males when women are essentially off limits ...Much better than our solution: imitate Negroes by establishing your “manliness” by fathering as many children with as many girls as soon as possible.
     
    Wait a minute, let me see if I am understanding this; the former is BETTER than the latter?
  71. Ed says:
    @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    Mormons in Scandinavia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/there-arent-many-eligible-mormons-in-greenland-and-thats-a-story-1470840556

    HANDEN, Sweden—Hundreds of young unmarried Mormons descended on a high-school gymnasium here on Stockholm’s outskirts late last month for a raucous dance party that would continue until sunrise.

    No alcohol was served, but one would hardly have known. By midnight, the dancing reached a fever pitch. A pack of rowdy Britons in T-shirts emblazoned with “I [heart] Swedish Girls” roamed the floor. Outside, a group attempted something akin to a keg stand with a water cooler.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    We should all be relieved if scandinavians, or any other civilized white folks in Europe, convert to Mormonism, strange as some of their doctrines may be. Because the obvious alternative, esp in rapidly-colonized Muslim Sweden, is not conversion to Christianity but conversion to Islam.
  72. @Anonymous
    Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, "what this place needs is more Somalis."

    Judging by their fertility rate, every Somali anywhere on earth.

  73. @Luke Lea
    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    It would be interesting to see details of his hiring and compare how he looked as a candidate to others hired (or not!).

  74. Thank god, we are being warned now:

    https://i1.wp.com/www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20292805_838867072180_4302843709454512979_n.jpg?w=620&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px

    Simply replace “Twin Cities police” with “diversity hires” and the sign is even more apt.

  75. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative.

    How about Mormon Republican Presidential candidates?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "How about Mormon Republican Presidential candidates?"

    Since he secured the Republican nomination in 2012 Mitt Romney hasn't done or said a damn thing to suggest he actually believed in immigration enforcement or is anything other than a buttboy for the aristocracy. A few lowlights:

    1. Dropped border security from his website after winning the nomination.
    2. Chose Paul Ryan, who campaigned against Prop 187 even before he was in Congress, for his running mate.
    3. Chose Mike Leavitt as his campaign manager. As Utah governor Leavitt gave illegals drivers licenses and in-state tuition.
    4. Denied that immigration had anything to do with Eric Cantor's defeat in 2014.
    5. Supported the gutting of Utah's convention/primary system for selecting nominees.
    6. Refused to endorse Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.
  76. res says:
    @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    He is lowballing at least some of the numbers (e.g. that “conservative” health care estimate). For another example, spending per student in Minneapolis: http://www.startribune.com/billboard-shames-minneapolis-school-district-spending/290816491/

    It calculated the district’s spending using a $21,000 allocation per student. But according to the Minnesota Department of Education, Minneapolis spent $14,131 per student in 2014. The state spent $11,011 per pupil. St. Paul spent more than Minneapolis at $14,302.

    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
    "Spending per student" usually includes just the operating budget and omits capital investments in buildings, interest on bonds, and school employee pensions.
  77. @Anonymous
    The ultra-orthodox object to the secular nature of the Israeli state. They are 'parasites' because supporting such a state is against their beliefs. If Israel were a bona fide Jewish state then it would be a different matter.

    Wow that totally makes their behavior ok then

  78. res says:
    @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    Much depends on what happens with the next generation (and in what proportion). Are they doing the same as their parents or are they behaving more like non-Orthodox Jews? My understanding is it is more the former in which case I think there is a problem. Having a non-productive class (especially if it is fraud prone!) grow more rapidly than the productive is class is not good. My understanding is that Israel is having a similar problem.

    Still, compared with Somalis it is no contest which group I’d rather have in the US.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Israel has an even bigger problem in that the ultra orthodox are a higher % of their overall population (and an even bigger % of the next generation). Too big for them all to parasite off the state. But this is prompting them to do something about it. They are pushing the ultra orthodox to teach useful job skills and not just religious studies in their schools and they are pushing to have their youth join the military. They are trying to do this in a smart way that will not offend their religious morals. Whereas the attitude in the US is that you can either isolate yourself in your own community or else, if you want to join the mainstream you have to buy into the whole "we love gays and transexuals and slutty behavior" package - it's all or nothing.
  79. @Saxon
    Yeah, about that; Ultra-orthodox IQ is lower and in Israel some are starting to analyze them (along with the arabs) as a parasite class of people who take more out of the system than they put in.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.794570

    Link is behind paywall so I can’t see the article.

    Ultra-orthodox (in the US at least – in Israel there are also Sephardic UO) are from the same genetic stock as other Ashkenazim so I doubt that this is really true. People who have had little secular education (as many UO have had) tend not to do well on IQ tests designed for the general population. Even if they speak the same language (and for many UO their primary language is Yiddish and not Hebrew or English) words may have a different meaning or be unfamiliar in their culture. They might consider having their kids play with blocks to be a waste of time – better to spend it memorizing prayers. At the turn of the 20th century, many in the US suspected that Jewish immigrants were low IQ for these reasons, but they were really, really wrong. All those Hungarian Jewish Nobelists that Reiner Tor mentioned in a recent thread – chances are their grandpa or great grandpas were UO fanatics with big long beards. But it’s pretty clear by now that Somalis (Mexicans, etc.) are not on that path, though maybe some Asian immigrant groups are.

  80. @Truth
    What if it's more than half?

    http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/

    There seem to be some really bright Igbos (a Nigerian tribe) out there (though this is no guaranty that they don’t use their big brains to run really complex fraud schemes) but no one has ever accused Somalis of being really smart.

  81. @passive-aggressivist
    they tried to come up with a cost in fargo:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9977bg4

    In response to Fargo city council member Dave Piepkorn simply asking the question, “what is this costing our city”, Lutheran Social Services and the Fargo Somalis tried to launch a recall election against him. They withdrew before submitting the petitions concerned they didn’t have enough legitimate signatures to get the recall on the ballot.

    http://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Petition-to-Recall-Dave-Piepkorn-will-not-be-Filed-422071233.html

  82. @Barnard
    While the refugees from Somalia get the most attention, those from the rest of the continent, especially the other countries in East Africa, aren't much better. According to this article from Pew, there were 2.1 million African immigrants living the United States in 2015. Even if half become good citizens, based on your reasonable estimate for the social cost of those who don't, that is still going to cost $262.5 billion. I don't see how any country could get through this and maintain first world status.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/

    It’s amazing that you only imported 400k slaves to begin with back in the day.

    • Replies: @Travis
    Good point

    also notable that in 1970 there were 22 Million Blacks in America and today we have 43 Million. The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.
  83. res says:
    @Truth
    What if it's more than half?

    http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/

    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    One funny bit from that article was “In an an**ysis of Census Bureau data”. A hyperactive naughty word suppressor?

    There is a more recent study at https://www.jbhe.com/2017/07/new-census-study-looks-at-status-of-african-and-caribbean-immigrant-groups/
    I downloaded the more detailed PDF linked there. Not a word about Somali refugees. Methinks someone is cherry picking the data.

    Table 1 was interesting. From 1980 to 2008-2012 (i.e. the ACS study) the overall US population increased 36% while the populations of the groups of African descent they examined all increased ~300% or more–with Ethiopians in the lead with a mind boggling 2,453% increase.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Also, what sort of degrees are they getting and how much of that is sympathy grades and affirmative action pass rates?
    , @Truth

    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?
     
    Well I would say it's fairly obvious that someone who has never operated a toilet before is going to be at a disadvantage compared to, say, an immigrant from Taiwan.

    By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans
     
    .

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-
    , @Jack Hanson
    Some common cherry picking skills in this sort of claim:

    - Ignoring illegal aliens
    - Focusing on H and O immigrants
    - deliberately cherry picking who's "American"
    - "Refugees and asylum seekers aren't immigrants unless they make our numbers good"
    - asserting that a doctorate from the University of West Nigeria is the same as a doctorate from anywhere else.
  84. @res
    Much depends on what happens with the next generation (and in what proportion). Are they doing the same as their parents or are they behaving more like non-Orthodox Jews? My understanding is it is more the former in which case I think there is a problem. Having a non-productive class (especially if it is fraud prone!) grow more rapidly than the productive is class is not good. My understanding is that Israel is having a similar problem.

    Still, compared with Somalis it is no contest which group I'd rather have in the US.

    Israel has an even bigger problem in that the ultra orthodox are a higher % of their overall population (and an even bigger % of the next generation). Too big for them all to parasite off the state. But this is prompting them to do something about it. They are pushing the ultra orthodox to teach useful job skills and not just religious studies in their schools and they are pushing to have their youth join the military. They are trying to do this in a smart way that will not offend their religious morals. Whereas the attitude in the US is that you can either isolate yourself in your own community or else, if you want to join the mainstream you have to buy into the whole “we love gays and transexuals and slutty behavior” package – it’s all or nothing.

  85. @Anonymous
    Professional economist-liars classify street corner fruit carts as 'businesses'.

    Beware the trick of being misled.

    Never mind the panoply of government grants and loans available to “refugees” skewing the numbers when comparing them to native blacks.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Yea, the trick is always to compare "immigrants" which includes Sergey Brin and your Indian doctor with "natives" who are about 35% NAM. Statistics that compare white Americans and MENA refugees are harder to come by.
  86. @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a “law-abiding community” discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported “natural born citizens” often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same – massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    "Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated."

    The article Paul Walker referenced above, to which Jack was responding was about the Yeshiva community in Lakewood, in which there is no inbreeding whatsoever. Even in the Hassidic community there is little inbreeding outside of Grand Rabbi's families. Having been raised in the Yeshiva community , I can tell you that Jack's estimate is not at all exaggerated. Speaking English is universal in the Yeshiva community and the vast majority of ex Yeshiva students are gainfully employed by their late 20's.
    , @Jack D

    They all have to go back.
     
    Most of the ancestors of the American ultra-Orthodox came to the US as refugees shortly after WWII (as did my parents) , but given their propensity to marry young, most of them were not only born here but even their parents and grandparents were born here - I think you are going to have a tough time constitutionally if your proposal is to send "back" (back to where?) native born children of US citizens (or as the law stands now, anyone born on US soil period).

    But maybe you are envisioning some post-Constitutional era where the people have made you their Führer and you can expel all the Joos and other parasites feeding off the blood of the white race.
    , @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?
    , @Lot

    Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community
     
    Source?
    , @utu
    “law-abiding community”

    Diamond smuggling. Ecstasy smuggling. Human organs trafficking.
  87. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    From today’s Mogadishapolis Crescent-Tribune. Mogadishapolis City Councilman Abdi Warsame is really, really peeved by all these “Somali killer cop” remarks.

    [Warsame] said he’s never met Noor, hasn’t spoken to him and wasn’t at his swearing-in ceremony when he joined the police department two years ago.

    Standing behind his Somali brother.

    Warsame was asked whether Noor or other East African police officers have received death threats since the shooting.

    “I’ve spoken with a number of officers who are afraid,” he said, “but the thing is, I’ve seen young children who are afraid

    So no threats just officers who are afraid. Aren’t fraidy-cat officers the problem?

    … I’ve seen women who are afraid walking down the street and they haven’t committed anything.”

    Like that Australian woman?

    The Minneapolis Police Department needs reform, Warsame said.

    More cowbell! The reform needed is … more Somali killer cops.

  88. semi-OT
    http://tinyurl.com/yd38y8ak ___lez/not lez___ Chief Harteu looks good and intriguing at 51 or so. Imagine what she was like a few decades back. She would be a lot more interesting to have a drink with than moron mayor, shameless Somali panderer, Betsy Hodges.
    Here is a the gold mine of hijab wearing Hodges sucking up to and getting huggy with the Somali community. This kook cannot get enough of them. Five different hijab photos for Betsy Hodges

    http://pamelageller.com/2017/07/ayor-hodges-hire-somali-muslims-first.html/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sorry but the ex-Chief plays for the other team, know what I mean?
    , @Alden
    Harteau is very, very pretty. I read the biography of da mayors black husband.
    His career can be summed up in 6 words:
    Grant hustling non profit poverty pimp.
  89. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    Unacceptable: Interventions in on-line comment sections over minor grammatical offenses.

    Worse than someone who thinks that the holocaust sets “a low bar” for awfulness: Nothing I can think of off-hand.

  90. @Anonymous
    Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, "what this place needs is more Somalis."

    Has anyone, anywhere, who is not a lunatic, looked at their surroundings and thought, “what this place needs is more Somalis.”

    A Djiboutian?

  91. @res
    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    One funny bit from that article was "In an an**ysis of Census Bureau data". A hyperactive naughty word suppressor?

    There is a more recent study at https://www.jbhe.com/2017/07/new-census-study-looks-at-status-of-african-and-caribbean-immigrant-groups/
    I downloaded the more detailed PDF linked there. Not a word about Somali refugees. Methinks someone is cherry picking the data.

    Table 1 was interesting. From 1980 to 2008-2012 (i.e. the ACS study) the overall US population increased 36% while the populations of the groups of African descent they examined all increased ~300% or more--with Ethiopians in the lead with a mind boggling 2,453% increase.

    Also, what sort of degrees are they getting and how much of that is sympathy grades and affirmative action pass rates?

  92. @Brutusale
    Never mind the panoply of government grants and loans available to "refugees" skewing the numbers when comparing them to native blacks.

    Yea, the trick is always to compare “immigrants” which includes Sergey Brin and your Indian doctor with “natives” who are about 35% NAM. Statistics that compare white Americans and MENA refugees are harder to come by.

  93. @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    So having vast hordes of smart thieves is better than having vast hordes of dumb thieves?

  94. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    That entire thread is worth reading.

  95. @Peter Johnson
    Someone needs to do commenter Lot's calculations with care and accuracy and force the results into the public record and public discussion. I agree that it is a huge number, and does not include the non-pecuniary public nuisance "costs" to the community. Making the expected cost of each Somali immigrant publicly known, with clear and careful analysis, would be an enormous public service. There is a (limited) precedent in the UK where the government calculated the cost of large families on welfare, and subsequently implemented a family benefit cap. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566402/Large-families-cost-taxpayer-130million-child-benefits

    Unfortunately, the institutions that are responsible for making information publicly available are almost without exception supporters of mass immigration from the Third World and actively suppress any information that they perceive as being detrimental to that project.

  96. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store."

    Yeah, but why do that when you can get not just free diapers but free delivery, too?

    I don't know how much mojo it takes to get out of Somalia. How far did these people have to walk to sit their ass down in a refugee camp for a few years and wait for some clown from the UN to approve their refugee application? It seems to me that far from selecting someone with ambition that the process is designed to select for people willing to sit around in a refugee camp for a long time.

    The local newspapers oc occasionally do stories on refugee issues and what they reluctantly admit is that the percentage of refugees still on public assistance after 10 years in the U.S. is insanely high, especially for the refugees from Somalia.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    If the immigrants truly want that country, they should be afforded the same means to take it as whitey enjoyed. It's only fair.
    So that's : 1 hatchet ($60-70 for a good cabin-builder), 1 back-knife (a Buck for $80?), 1 long gun (repro Sharp's? $1600; am brit, don't know one end of a bangstick from t'other), pair snowshoes (50 bucks?), 1 camp kettle ($15). Oh and a cool felt hat thrown in because we're good guys. See ya!
    Total $1800, there ya go.
    , @TWS
    Just because they can does not mean they do it.
    , @Saxon
    In some countries (England specifically) it's come out that there were actually people sent from the host receiving country to areas of the world to look for people to bring in from these third world garbage heaps.
  97. @RobertTaylor
    How much more enrichment will it take for Minnesota to turn red?

    Funny how GoodWhites flip when exposed to diversity.

    Well stated. Trump will most likely win Minnesota in 2020 if he runs, even if another neoconservative like McMullen runs a’s a third party spoiler.

    • Replies: @Thea
    If we dont fix that leaking sieve masquerading as a border then elections don't matter.
    , @Alice
    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    MN is moving farther left. It is losing high income jobs. It has net migration out for Americans. Its pop increase is only due to international immigrants. Anyone who would ever vote for Trump again is having refugees move into their districts on purpose. The rest will wring hands.

    Socially, see:

    See: met council:https://metrocouncil.org/Data-and-Maps/Data/Census-Forecasts-Estimates.aspx

    From their PDF:
    The seven-county Minneapolis-St. Paul region is projected to gain
    824,000 people in coming decades, reaching 3,674,000 residents in
    2040, up from 2,850,000 in 2010. Projected growth rates, 9 percent per
    decade, are below peak growth rates seen in the 1980s and the 1990s –
    but above-average compared to national projections for the same period.
    Natural population growth, or births outpacing deaths, will add 590,000
    residents. Natural population growth will account for 72 percent of the
    total population growth from 2010 to 2040. Birth rates are higher among
    families of color than white families, contributing steadily and gradually to
    the racial and ethnic diversity of the region.
    More than one-quarter (28 percent) of the region’s population gain will be
    driven by migration. The Twin Cities region is likely to gain 355,000 new
    residents through international immigration while losing 128,000
    residents to domestic out-migration, for a net migration gain of 227,000
    during the 30-years forecast period.
    -----------

    State economy:

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/reports-books/minnesotas-economy-mediocre-performance-threatens-states-future/

    Taxes and regulatory burden outrageous.
    It is pricing out of the market any non rich or non welfare family. Own a home in Ramsey or Hennepin counties (home of St. Paul or Mpls or their suburbs on the west)? Your property taxes are well over 1% and nearly 2% of your home's estimated value, a value that for many people since 2006 is still above market value.


    But that's not enough. Mpls just passed an outrageous $15 /hour minimum wage, and Paul just passed outrageous paid leave for all companies even small businesses.

    The k-12 system had completely fallen apart. The top high schools are sending more and more kids to remedial community college to take math and writing they should have learned in 9th grade. Meantime what's left are SJWs.

    See:
    https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/07/mn-dept-education-approves-controversial-transgender-toolkit/

    And recent story about the tony west suburb of Mpls, Edina, and its educators:

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/07/edina-teachers-take-sides-partisan-politics/

    The "out-state" as it is called, meaning rural areas, are already totally left of center.
  98. @res
    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    One funny bit from that article was "In an an**ysis of Census Bureau data". A hyperactive naughty word suppressor?

    There is a more recent study at https://www.jbhe.com/2017/07/new-census-study-looks-at-status-of-african-and-caribbean-immigrant-groups/
    I downloaded the more detailed PDF linked there. Not a word about Somali refugees. Methinks someone is cherry picking the data.

    Table 1 was interesting. From 1980 to 2008-2012 (i.e. the ACS study) the overall US population increased 36% while the populations of the groups of African descent they examined all increased ~300% or more--with Ethiopians in the lead with a mind boggling 2,453% increase.

    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    Well I would say it’s fairly obvious that someone who has never operated a toilet before is going to be at a disadvantage compared to, say, an immigrant from Taiwan.

    By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans

    .

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-

  99. @J5
    Let's not forget that as bad as Somalis are, it's the Hmong who hold the current records for upper midwest migrant mayhem.

    Vdare has many Hmong tales of 3rd generation welfare child brides and murder.

  100. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    Old Asian and other immigrants in San Francisco line up at the Glide Memorial Church food bank every week. They get as much as they can, give it to a relative waiting in a car and get right back in line.

    The free food ends up being sold in the immigrant convenience stores. Some Los Angeles community centers had past expiration date bread and pastry sales once or twice a week for people over 60. The old immigrants grabbed it all and the food was sold in their convenience stores.

    By that time it was about 10 days old. Health department stopped it although I’m sure it still goes on with the food banks.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Those innocent nice Asian people? Dishonestly ripping off a welfare system and taking more than their fair share?

    I can scarcely believe such stories about them stealing blind every welfare and freebie system in the country (sarc sarc sarc)


    Wake up sheeple these people are not from Lake Wobegon
  101. @Truth
    What if it's more than half?

    http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those “highly educated” African immigrants were the real thing, we’d see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:

    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/

    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don’t know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I’ll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Interesting. Looks like a majority of Indian and Chinese names. A handful Muslim but those can be anything from Arab to African to Indian. A handful Latin family names but without pics we don't know if they are "White Hispanic". And then there's a single student named Jelani which I believe is as Black name as DeSean.
    , @bomag

    If those “highly educated” African immigrants were the real thing, we’d see their American children performing at a high level.
     
    This is the thing. "Truth" et al aren't happy telling us that everyone is equal; they quickly move on to flog and pick the metrics so they can inform us that their kin are better than others by a large factor.

    We need to get out of their way to let them soar!, soar into the sky.
    , @Truth

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.
     
    No.

    In most African countries, there is roughly one university for every million people.

    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don’t know.)
     
    Being a nerd is difficult when you play a sport at a good-enough level to get a scholarship.
    , @TWS
    Why even discuss it with truth? He thinks sub-Saharan Africans built the pyramids. Might as well discuss unicorns and leprechauns.
  102. Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the “Bantu Somalis”.

    The Bantu, of course, are the pastoral people who, 2000 years ago, burst out of their West African homeland to conquer most of Subsaharan Africa. They are to Africa what the Indoeuropeans were to bronze age Europe.

    Saving Somali Bantus is thus analogous to saving Indoeuropean Andorrans! If they need saving at all, they certainly don’t need to be flown halfway around the world to find kindred people.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    There really are such people as "Somali Bantus" but was not aware any had been admitted to the US. They live in what is geographically Somalia but are not closely related to ethnic Somalis. Almost all of them are descendants of Bantus (who generally live well west and south of Somalia) captured by Somali slave raiders generations or even centuries ago.

    You will not be shocked to learn that ethnic Somalis hold them in complete contempt.

    None of the Minneapolis Somalis who have recently appeared in photographs look like Bantus to me at all. And I grew up around Bantus.

    All I have seen, including "Officer" Noor, have classically Somali appearances.
    , @Fabrice
    Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the “Bantu Somalis”.

    This is not true - I have worked with a refugee agency in East Africa, particularly in Kenya where a large number of them are processed for resettlement into other countries. While there are some "Bantu Somalis" among the refugees, most of them are non-Bantu. This is the same for refugees that got resettled in Europe as well.

  103. @Lurker
    Lol!

    No, that's never happened. Which is why we can infer their presence is an act of naked aggression against the people who have to actually around them.

    Anecdotally - I've heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can't stand them.

    “Anecdotally – I’ve heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can’t stand them.”

    Once again I repeat the words of a black London street-gamg member – “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”.

  104. @J5
    Let's not forget that as bad as Somalis are, it's the Hmong who hold the current records for upper midwest migrant mayhem.

    Is there anywhere where Hmong and Somalis live together? (Bonus – Native Americans too). That would be something. But I would guess these people prefer to live around more successful types.

    • Replies: @eddy wobegon
    The Twin Cities in Minnesota. Though it is Hmong in St. Paul and Somalis in Minneapolis. The Native Americans have an enclave in Minneapolis called Little Earth just south of the Somali concentration at Cedar-Riverside.
  105. @Thea
    We can't vote our way out of this mess.

    No, likely not.  But having friendly governors and attorneys general who make the gendarmes stand down and no-bill our side when it’s OUR turn to go after our enemies is a huge advantage.

    • Replies: @Thea
    I would argue that more obvious anti-white opposition we face the better as it wakes people up. This slow drip is killing us.
  106. @RobertTaylor
    Off Topic although related to immigration:

    Steve has said homosexuals are one group that often do quite well in a social hierarchy (I think I've got that right).

    How did homosexuals do in the Ottoman Empire?

    It looks like it wasn't too bad for them according to Wikipedia. I wonder because most gays seem pretty accepting of mass Muslim immigration into the West, which strikes the average guy as odd, since we think of Muslims as being very anti-gay.

    Maybe gays don’t stand out so much in a polygamist society. Lots of unmarried men around. Lots of potential company.

  107. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    A wonderfully phrased and all too apt description of our current situation.

  108. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    Don’t forget the indirect costs. A Somali or two in a class room will substantially retard and disrupt the educational process for every other child in that room. A typical Somali family or two in a neighborhood will substantially raise levels of crime, fear, disruption, disorder, and unsanitary conditions.

  109. @Lurker
    Lol!

    No, that's never happened. Which is why we can infer their presence is an act of naked aggression against the people who have to actually around them.

    Anecdotally - I've heard more than one black Londoner complain about Somalis. They can't stand them.

    The report from Sweden is that Somalis is among the worst of immigrant groups. Much worse than your typical Arab or Kurd. The thing is that with basically all the other common immigrant groups it’s quite possible to find some that are relatively normal(and are working at the same office as yourself). Somalis not so much. The best of them seem to be busdrivers.

    They are only challenged for the title by gypsies.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    or the Hmong.

    Maybe we need a "Worst Immigrant of the Year" award.

    Let's contact the MPLS mayor and see if she would be up for co-sponsoring a national competition and submitting some nominees (just in case any might come to her mind about right now).
  110. @International Jew
    Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the "Bantu Somalis".

    The Bantu, of course, are the pastoral people who, 2000 years ago, burst out of their West African homeland to conquer most of Subsaharan Africa. They are to Africa what the Indoeuropeans were to bronze age Europe.

    Saving Somali Bantus is thus analogous to saving Indoeuropean Andorrans! If they need saving at all, they certainly don't need to be flown halfway around the world to find kindred people.

    There really are such people as “Somali Bantus” but was not aware any had been admitted to the US. They live in what is geographically Somalia but are not closely related to ethnic Somalis. Almost all of them are descendants of Bantus (who generally live well west and south of Somalia) captured by Somali slave raiders generations or even centuries ago.

    You will not be shocked to learn that ethnic Somalis hold them in complete contempt.

    None of the Minneapolis Somalis who have recently appeared in photographs look like Bantus to me at all. And I grew up around Bantus.

    All I have seen, including “Officer” Noor, have classically Somali appearances.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are some Somali Bantu refugees. Who are they refugees from? The Somali Somalis.
    , @International Jew
    I'm not denying at all that there are Bantu Somalis. I'm just saying that, considering the many African countries already controlled by Bantu peoples, it makes no sense to "save" Bantu Somalis by flying them all the way to the USA. Same as Indoeuropean Andorrans, should they ever feel oppressed, could be resettled in such Indoeuropean countries as France or Spain.

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they've picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.
  111. @International Jew
    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those "highly educated" African immigrants were the real thing, we'd see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:
    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/
    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don't know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I'll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

    Interesting. Looks like a majority of Indian and Chinese names. A handful Muslim but those can be anything from Arab to African to Indian. A handful Latin family names but without pics we don’t know if they are “White Hispanic”. And then there’s a single student named Jelani which I believe is as Black name as DeSean.

  112. Working black guys like forklift driver Chris Miller have been harmed more than anyone by the globalists. An even marginally competent Republican party should be able to get guys like him on their side in a big way.

    But alas they are not even marginally competent. Well, actually they are, competent at doing the bidding of their donors. What they are not is decent, patriotic or honest.

  113. @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    Success stories such as doctors engaged in Medicare fraud.

  114. @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    “Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated.”

    The article Paul Walker referenced above, to which Jack was responding was about the Yeshiva community in Lakewood, in which there is no inbreeding whatsoever. Even in the Hassidic community there is little inbreeding outside of Grand Rabbi’s families. Having been raised in the Yeshiva community , I can tell you that Jack’s estimate is not at all exaggerated. Speaking English is universal in the Yeshiva community and the vast majority of ex Yeshiva students are gainfully employed by their late 20′s.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Are you counting lawyers as "gainfully employed"? Serious question.
    , @utu
    Marriage among cousins is OK
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

    The effects of inbreeding are dealt with in a special Jewish Genetics Disease Center.
    http://icahn.mssm.edu/research/jewish-genetics
  115. @Romanian
    It's amazing that you only imported 400k slaves to begin with back in the day.

    Good point

    also notable that in 1970 there were 22 Million Blacks in America and today we have 43 Million. The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970."
     
    By a weird coincidence, this time period corresponds to the time when the welfare state really started promoting unwed breeding.
    , @Romanian
    Was it Adam Smith who said that there is a great deal of ruin in any nation? Americans applied their productive streak to the task of securing that ruin. Chain immigration is the latest killer app to produce unseen amounts of ruin and the greatest, richest ore veins in the history of mankind, the US middle class, are nearly exhausted.
    , @International Jew
    Wow. Then, if not for immigration, the USA would today be over 20% black!
  116. @International Jew
    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those "highly educated" African immigrants were the real thing, we'd see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:
    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/
    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don't know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I'll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

    If those “highly educated” African immigrants were the real thing, we’d see their American children performing at a high level.

    This is the thing. “Truth” et al aren’t happy telling us that everyone is equal; they quickly move on to flog and pick the metrics so they can inform us that their kin are better than others by a large factor.

    We need to get out of their way to let them soar!, soar into the sky.

    • LOL: David
    • Replies: @Truth
    All I did was paste someone else's stats. You like the truth don't you?
  117. @Anon
    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.

    “It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.”

    Yeah, but why do that when you can get not just free diapers but free delivery, too?

    I don’t know how much mojo it takes to get out of Somalia. How far did these people have to walk to sit their ass down in a refugee camp for a few years and wait for some clown from the UN to approve their refugee application? It seems to me that far from selecting someone with ambition that the process is designed to select for people willing to sit around in a refugee camp for a long time.

    The local newspapers oc occasionally do stories on refugee issues and what they reluctantly admit is that the percentage of refugees still on public assistance after 10 years in the U.S. is insanely high, especially for the refugees from Somalia.

    • Agree: Barnard
  118. @Anon
    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.

    If the immigrants truly want that country, they should be afforded the same means to take it as whitey enjoyed. It’s only fair.
    So that’s : 1 hatchet ($60-70 for a good cabin-builder), 1 back-knife (a Buck for $80?), 1 long gun (repro Sharp’s? $1600; am brit, don’t know one end of a bangstick from t’other), pair snowshoes (50 bucks?), 1 camp kettle ($15). Oh and a cool felt hat thrown in because we’re good guys. See ya!
    Total $1800, there ya go.

  119. @Thea
    We can't vote our way out of this mess.

    Frankly, at this point I don’t want to see us vote our way out of this mess.
    I want the bloodiest and most triumphant revolt of the just the world has ever seen.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Thea
    I'm happy I'm not the only one to think this way.
    , @Jack D
    No, honestly you don't, or you shouldn't if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust. Take those words back or you may live to regret them (if you are lucky).
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    Did you just say that you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?
  120. @E. Rekshun
    Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative.

    How about Mormon Republican Presidential candidates?

    “How about Mormon Republican Presidential candidates?”

    Since he secured the Republican nomination in 2012 Mitt Romney hasn’t done or said a damn thing to suggest he actually believed in immigration enforcement or is anything other than a buttboy for the aristocracy. A few lowlights:

    1. Dropped border security from his website after winning the nomination.
    2. Chose Paul Ryan, who campaigned against Prop 187 even before he was in Congress, for his running mate.
    3. Chose Mike Leavitt as his campaign manager. As Utah governor Leavitt gave illegals drivers licenses and in-state tuition.
    4. Denied that immigration had anything to do with Eric Cantor’s defeat in 2014.
    5. Supported the gutting of Utah’s convention/primary system for selecting nominees.
    6. Refused to endorse Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

  121. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    Very well said, reasoned, and calculated, sir. We live in L.A. and FREQUENTLY see the family in front of us at the grocery store, usually Mexican, speak Spanish to the cashier, who often speak Spanish, while “paying” for their groceries with an EBT card. Even better when the fat troll of a mother is pregnant with yet another kid as well.

    Commonly these people have at least three children with them. Because, of course, the decent, grateful, responsible thing to do when settling in a new country is to have more children when you know that your household’s lower-wage job(s) — if any on-the-books job at all — cannot readily support the child or children you already have, at the expense of your hosts.

    It’s a sickening and infuriating feeling to see yourself working to feed your own children AND an even greater number of children belonging to strangers. Doesn’t help that the strangers often don’t speak our language well, don’t seem to be trying to learn, and definitely don’t seem grateful or friendly.

    Those same people get quote FREE car seats and stroller and even formula when they have a baby, FREE bike helmets, FREE medical care through fed and state taxpayers I.e. MediCal, and schooling with the other dimwits that is not remotely offset by the sales taxes their parents pay (they generally pay zero state and fed income tax and even get quote back money that they never paid in the first place, through the Orwellian-named “Earned” income Tax Credit).

    Slaves is the right word for any hardworking American taxpayer, of any race. In practice, though, it is overwhelmingly white nonHispanic Americans who foot the bill, as well as Asian Americans in some locales as they tend to earn enough to pay Fed and state income taxes too.

    P.S. See how fast these Mexicans and other third worlders would “hate” us and be “bigoted” against us if the shoe were on the other foot and we came to their country by the tens of millions and outbred them at their expense,

  122. @wren
    It has been a thing for a while.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/177846/muslim-somalis-attack-african-american-students-daniel-greenfield

    Lots of costs involved.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php

    One student, Abdi Sheikh, said he saw hundreds of students fighting in what appeared to be a racial incident.

    “A big riot,” he said. “It was all types of races.”

    “A day at the races”, eh?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    A day at the races was far more likely than a night at the opera.
  123. @Father O'Hara
    I want them gone,back where they came from or perhaps Malibu or Martha's Vineyard ,Tel Aviv,or Hell,and I want the filthy scum behind bringing them here to pay for their crimes. We can start with Mr. B+ who should be sent back with them. Piece of shit!

    Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel ;)

    We shouldn’t admit any noneuropean refugees, but if we supposedly must, then the
    Y should ALL be settled in the wealthiest, most far-left, antiwhite / hypocrite “GoodWhite” parts of the country: LA, Santa Monica, Malibu, San Fran, Silicon Valley, Manhattan, Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard, Wash DC, and every affluent Jewish enclave along the coasts of south Florida.

    Let the rapes, robberies, vandalism, intimidation increase to hellish levels — in the backyards and homes of the people who imposed it on us.

  124. @res
    The study was from 1997. Any more recent data? Does it include the refugee populations?

    One funny bit from that article was "In an an**ysis of Census Bureau data". A hyperactive naughty word suppressor?

    There is a more recent study at https://www.jbhe.com/2017/07/new-census-study-looks-at-status-of-african-and-caribbean-immigrant-groups/
    I downloaded the more detailed PDF linked there. Not a word about Somali refugees. Methinks someone is cherry picking the data.

    Table 1 was interesting. From 1980 to 2008-2012 (i.e. the ACS study) the overall US population increased 36% while the populations of the groups of African descent they examined all increased ~300% or more--with Ethiopians in the lead with a mind boggling 2,453% increase.

    Some common cherry picking skills in this sort of claim:

    - Ignoring illegal aliens
    - Focusing on H and O immigrants
    - deliberately cherry picking who’s “American”
    - “Refugees and asylum seekers aren’t immigrants unless they make our numbers good”
    - asserting that a doctorate from the University of West Nigeria is the same as a doctorate from anywhere else.

  125. @RobertTaylor
    Off Topic although related to immigration:

    Steve has said homosexuals are one group that often do quite well in a social hierarchy (I think I've got that right).

    How did homosexuals do in the Ottoman Empire?

    It looks like it wasn't too bad for them according to Wikipedia. I wonder because most gays seem pretty accepting of mass Muslim immigration into the West, which strikes the average guy as odd, since we think of Muslims as being very anti-gay.

    It seems that plenty of Muslim men will have no problem f—— “our” homosexuals, HBUT (Hypocrisy Be Upon Them). Of course, those same men may go on to agitate for violence and atrocities against those same partners, through sharia “law.”

    Like the other groups pushing for the Muslim colonization of our country, it would be funny to see those traitorous little bitches suffer the consequences at the hands of their Islamic buddies — if our children weren’t going to suffer along with them.

  126. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans

    And how does this help African nations? Extracting a nation’s resources, whether human or natural, is colonialism. It robs the host nation of their best chances for development.

  127. @AndrewR
    We live in a society that has spent trillions of dollars on trying to make Africans into law-abiding productive citizens. What's a few billion dollars more for a different group of Africans? Wir schaffen das.

    Nice. But it’s even more accurate to say, per the title of a book a few years ago, “Wir schaffen uns ab” (if I remember it right).

    • Replies: @Weltanschauung
    Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany abolishes itself) by Thilo Sarrazin. Nobody has brought out an English translation.
  128. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    Hey thanks for the tip!

    For what it’s worth, if someone had shown me your comment without the handle and asked me to guess which iSteve regular wrote it, “AndrewR” honestly would’ve been my first guess. Congrats?

  129. Just to add fuel to the fire…

    A 26 year-old with the Scandinavian name Bjelland drove a speeding car through a city bus in Saint Paul and killed a 48-year old passenger, an African-American Minneapolis man named Kenneth Foster. Another passenger, nineteen-year old Markus Anthony Dashawn Jackson is in critical condition.

    http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/24/driver-charged-with-criminal-vehicular-homicide-after-crash-into-st-paul-bus-kills-passenger/

  130. @Wilkey
    One of my colleagues was telling a story about how he was helping a Somali refugee family through his church. Mormons have gotten big into helping refugees, and this guy's son is serving an LDS mission somewhere in Scandinavia, where he says that virtually all of the potential converts (aka future Mormons) his son has taught are refugees, not actual Scandinavians. Educated Europeans are no longer naive enough to join a church founded by a con man that wants 10% of your income and half of your free time.

    Anyway, so he and his wife show up at this family's two bedroom apartment to find a husband (who of course has no job), wife, and seven kids, the youngest of whom is 6 months old. There is shit (sometimes literally) everywhere, and of course they were out of diapers. So he and his wife run off to the store to buy the family some necessities, among them a very large quantity of diapers, and took them to the house. After dropping the stuff off they phone one of their church leaders, who tells them to go back inside and take some of the diapers back. He asks why. "Because if you give them too many (i.e., more than enough for a week) they will sell them for other things and expect some other dupe of a family to give them more free diapers next week.

    At the end of this lengthy horror story I ask how long the "refugee" family has been living in the country. "Ten years." At this point I wanted to pick up the nearest book and hit my co-worker over the head with it, but from my question I think he got the message. I think his refugee service days are over. Mormons can be naive and idealistic, but they can also be practical and conservative. Enough of these horror stories get around and they will soon be dropping the whole refugee cause (I hope).

    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua. I hope they appreciate the effort and don’t use them as polishing clothes for their automobiles. Or sell them. Or maybe that’s why they send them cloth diapers so they can’t resell them.

    • Replies: @peterike

    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua.

     

    What is the American obsession with helping Nicaragua? They really don't deserve it.
    , @Jack D
    Probably they will use them as dish rags and get disposable diapers for their kids the same as everyone else. When we had our kids, my wife considered using cloth diapers for about 5 minutes but once she really thought about all that it entailed she bought a giant box of disposables and never looked back. And Nicaraguans, even poor ones, are fully aware of modern conveniences and crave them as much as anyone else. They just throw them wherever they are when they are done with them.

    https://www.efe.com/efe/english/life/divers-remove-1-6-tons-of-trash-from-scenic-bay-in-nicaragua/50000263-2754217 . We don't need no steenkin trash cans, gringo!
  131. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): “a friend of mine’s boyfriend”

    Absolute rubbish — the construction has a long historical pedigree and is only objected to by pedants or pseudo-pedants, or ignoramuses.

  132. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    If someone is going to do an estimate people can use in an argument, he’s gotta be better than this. Nobody’s gonng to believe you with this sloppy calculating (not you WR, but the commenter – is this the best they’ve got on that blog?).

    First, either do “per family” or “per capita”, not both. If you’re gonna put medicare and public school on a “per family” basis, then since you based it on 9 kids, your 5000 Somalians = 2,200 families is wrong. I’d have stuck to a family-size number of say, 6, throughout.

    Next, the medicare estimate is probably a good bit high, but it IS one big f__d-up Feral-govt program, though, and your un-calculated items, like the free phones and all, may make up for this.

    This is the big one, and the reason I caught this and am commenting at all is just, do the “Does it make sense?” thing in your head when you read numbers! You (the powerline innumerate guy) come up with 1/2 million dollars per family (not my argument), then talk about over 2000 families. How can you get only $10 million total? To do it right, we’d have (rounded, as estimates should be) 500 families, and (think: 1/2 million x 1/2 thousand = 1/4 Billion) $250.000,000. That is one hell of a lot larger than $10 million, and anyone of any influence reading this estimate would see the 10 million as chump change, even at the medium-size-city budget level, and your point would be scoffed at. $250.000,000? Whole nother story!

    The $1/2 million per family may not be far off though. It’s the total that’s way off. Again, I don’t think medicare is quite THAT much, and with a 6-person family, any “per family” numbers from that guy’s calculations would make the my estimate lower, as I would be dividing by 6 at the end, not 2.35 or so ( where did he get that? It didn’t match the 9. but it should have).

  133. @Buffalo Joe
    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua. I hope they appreciate the effort and don't use them as polishing clothes for their automobiles. Or sell them. Or maybe that's why they send them cloth diapers so they can't resell them.

    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua.

    What is the American obsession with helping Nicaragua? They really don’t deserve it.

  134. @eddy wobegon
    Diversity hire Somali cop kills pajama-clad lady.

    Diversity hire lesbian police chief fired for incompetence.

    Mayor nominates another diversity hire to appease black protesters, hoping the third time's the charm.

    Remember when our government promised that they would hire based only on ability and not on demographics?

    Institutions have learned that paying off special interest groups makes hiring into an asset.

    Affirmative action kills.

    eddy, and yet yearly we learn that some city’s test for police officer or firefighter or teacher is too racist and the results are tossed. These cities won’t learn until it’s too late. Oh, wait, it is too late, so we have women firefighters who can’t carry a ladder, teachers who can’t teach and cops who shoot nice blonde ladies wearing PJs.

  135. Apparently, the lesbian native american “squaw” turned out to be the chief.

  136. @Old Palo Altan
    Frankly, at this point I don't want to see us vote our way out of this mess.
    I want the bloodiest and most triumphant revolt of the just the world has ever seen.

    I’m happy I’m not the only one to think this way.

  137. @Anonymous
    Dude, you've been 27 years old for at least a couple of years. What gives? Are you some kind of modern Juan Ponce de León??

    Anonymous, sort of like buying 25 year old Scotch, eight years after it was bottled, it’s still called 25 year old Scotch.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Similarly, eight years after I turned 39, I am still 39 and holding, not 47.

    Tip of the hat to Jack Benny:
    http://www.avenuenews.com/image_135e4f9b-e0e4-5cb4-9ffc-f2e8ec184113.html
  138. @International Jew
    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those "highly educated" African immigrants were the real thing, we'd see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:
    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/
    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don't know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I'll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    No.

    In most African countries, there is roughly one university for every million people.

    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don’t know.)

    Being a nerd is difficult when you play a sport at a good-enough level to get a scholarship.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Heh. Truth is too dumb to see that this statement:

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.
     
    is compatible with this statement:

    In most African countries, there is roughly one university for every million people.
     
  139. @Mr. Anon
    As if yet another one were needed, the Somali population in America is a strong argument against foreign intervention. Every time we get involved in some damned foreign war, it looses a stream of refugees towards our borders.

    Mr. A, kind of like kamikazes without the planes.

  140. @anonymous
    Meanwhile, a hairy headed gent,
    Ran amok in Kent.
    Lately, he's been overheard in Mayfair...

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe4_1500867227

    Hey, thanks for that! (not just the great song, but I had never known that 3rd lyric line until now – I’ve got chronic lyricosis; – it’s a struggle, I tell ya’. Imagine how it is for me to listen to REM!)

  141. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    WR, the governor of NY’s office proudly states that the average cost of educating a child in NY is $19000 plus, out spending every other state. We spend too much, but $9000 seems light.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That could bring the Somalian Direct* costs up way beyond $1/2 million per family. That does not negate my argument to be numerate if you're gonna put estimates our there. (not directed at you, Joe, of course.)

    * not including any of the yuge social costs, some of which have no price tag, until you add up masive destruction from a revolution or civil war, well after the fact.

    , @Brutusale
    Joe, care to bet how many Somalis are SPED? That's a much bigger ticket item; my town's schools claim to spend an additional $25K for SPED students on top of the $18K average.
  142. @prole
    Well stated. Trump will most likely win Minnesota in 2020 if he runs, even if another neoconservative like McMullen runs a's a third party spoiler.

    If we dont fix that leaking sieve masquerading as a border then elections don’t matter.

  143. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    If someone is going to do an estimate people can use in an argument, he’s gotta be better than this. Nobody’s gonng to believe you with this sloppy calculating (not you WR, but the commenter – is this the best they’ve got on that blog?).

    First, either do “per family” or “per capita”, not both. If you’re gonna put medicare and public school on a “per family” basis, then since you based it on 9 kids, your 5000 Somalians = 2,200 families is wrong. I’d have stuck to a family-size number of say, 6, throughout.

    Next, the medicare estimate is probably a good bit high, but it IS one big f__d-up Feral-govt program, though, and your un-calculated items, like the free phones and all, may make up for this.

    This is the big one, and the reason I caught this and am commenting at all is just, do the “Does it make sense?” thing in your head when you read numbers! You (the powerline innumerate guy) come up with 1/2 million dollars per family (not my argument), then talk about over 2000 families. How can you get only $10 million total? To do it right, we’d have (rounded, as estimates should be) 500 families, and (think: 1/2 million x 1/2 thousand = 1/4 Billion) $250.000,000. That is one hell of a lot larger than $10 million, and anyone of any influence reading this estimate would see the 10 million as chump change, even at the medium-size-city budget level, and your point would be scoffed at. $250.000,000? Whole nother story!

    The $1/2 million per family may not be far off though. It’s the total that’s way off. Again, I don’t think medicare is quite THAT much, and with a 6-person family, any “per family” numbers from that guy’s calculations would make the my estimate lower, as I would be dividing by 6 at the end, not 2.35 or so ( where did he get that? It didn’t match the 9. but it should have).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, lost my short comment, but got my long one back - even Doubled, yahooo!

    I know, work in progress, and no hard feelings from me; stuff's gotta be tested live at some point.(using a tablet, Ron, and I sent the long post again, after it looked lost the first time - I can send more details, if I knew you would read it)
  144. @wren
    Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.


     

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    Very revealing quotation and link, thank you, Wren.

    So, Minnesota has a system that might “work” in a high-trust society populated by relatively more-intelligent people who share a common culture, have a strong work ethic, have a sense of shame about abusing the system, and have a sense of obligation to their fellow citizens.

    In other words, the exact opposite of what we get by importing Somalis and their ilk.

    Yeah, great logic, fed gov, thanks.

    A beautiful place Minnesota was. Used to look forward to going there for work. Even in the winter! (But then I was single then ;)

  145. They’re tearing down our notorious “Little Mogadishu” in Metro Atlanta – the Brannon Hills condos, center of the Somali immigrant community:

  146. @Anon
    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.

    Just because they can does not mean they do it.

  147. @International Jew
    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    If those "highly educated" African immigrants were the real thing, we'd see their American children performing at a high level. Have a look at this recent list of National Merit Scholars from the Houston area:
    http://www.thesismag.com/2016/09/15/2017-national-merit-semifinalists-in-houston/
    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don't know.)

    In an academic showdown between the child of Nigerian doctors, and the child of Chinese dry cleaners, I'll put my money on the Chinese kid every time.

    Why even discuss it with truth? He thinks sub-Saharan Africans built the pyramids. Might as well discuss unicorns and leprechauns.

    • Replies: @Truth
    They did:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids
  148. @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, sort of like buying 25 year old Scotch, eight years after it was bottled, it's still called 25 year old Scotch.

    Similarly, eight years after I turned 39, I am still 39 and holding, not 47.

    Tip of the hat to Jack Benny:

    http://www.avenuenews.com/image_135e4f9b-e0e4-5cb4-9ffc-f2e8ec184113.html

  149. @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    Good point, Percy.

    I’d add that even a Somali or Chinese guy or whatever who “works out” as a cop or their gov employee, is not a success story for the American who could and should have been hired for that position.

  150. @Achmed E. Newman
    If someone is going to do an estimate people can use in an argument, he's gotta be better than this. Nobody's gonng to believe you with this sloppy calculating (not you WR, but the commenter - is this the best they've got on that blog?).

    First, either do "per family" or "per capita", not both. If you're gonna put medicare and public school on a "per family" basis, then since you based it on 9 kids, your 5000 Somalians = 2,200 families is wrong. I'd have stuck to a family-size number of say, 6, throughout.

    Next, the medicare estimate is probably a good bit high, but it IS one big f__d-up Feral-govt program, though, and your un-calculated items, like the free phones and all, may make up for this.

    This is the big one, and the reason I caught this and am commenting at all is just, do the "Does it make sense?" thing in your head when you read numbers! You (the powerline innumerate guy) come up with 1/2 million dollars per family (not my argument), then talk about over 2000 families. How can you get only $10 million total? To do it right, we'd have (rounded, as estimates should be) 500 families, and (think: 1/2 million x 1/2 thousand = 1/4 Billion) $250.000,000. That is one hell of a lot larger than $10 million, and anyone of any influence reading this estimate would see the 10 million as chump change, even at the medium-size-city budget level, and your point would be scoffed at. $250.000,000? Whole nother story!

    The $1/2 million per family may not be far off though. It's the total that's way off. Again, I don't think medicare is quite THAT much, and with a 6-person family, any "per family" numbers from that guy's calculations would make the my estimate lower, as I would be dividing by 6 at the end, not 2.35 or so ( where did he get that? It didn't match the 9. but it should have).

    OK, lost my short comment, but got my long one back – even Doubled, yahooo!

    I know, work in progress, and no hard feelings from me; stuff’s gotta be tested live at some point.(using a tablet, Ron, and I sent the long post again, after it looked lost the first time – I can send more details, if I knew you would read it)

  151. @Clyde
    semi-OT
    http://tinyurl.com/yd38y8ak ___lez/not lez___ Chief Harteu looks good and intriguing at 51 or so. Imagine what she was like a few decades back. She would be a lot more interesting to have a drink with than moron mayor, shameless Somali panderer, Betsy Hodges.
    Here is a the gold mine of hijab wearing Hodges sucking up to and getting huggy with the Somali community. This kook cannot get enough of them. Five different hijab photos for Betsy Hodges
    http://pamelageller.com/2017/07/ayor-hodges-hire-somali-muslims-first.html/

    Sorry but the ex-Chief plays for the other team, know what I mean?

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Do you mean she is heavy into boots as opposed to a man being light in loafers?
    , @Clyde
    So what. I am aware of this. And you better believe she once had male partners. Once upon a time in the west...
    , @SteveRogers42
    Always open to the concept of a mid-season trade for the right player to fill a need at a specific position...
  152. @biz
    Some slight differences between the two cases you could consider:

    1) Haredi Jews are natural born citizens of the US not imported refugees generally

    2) While Haredim they take more than their share of state largess, they are generally law abiding and cause no trouble to others outside their insular community.

    3) The issue of Haredi welfare dependence IS frequently discussed

    4) The net balance of payments to the US treasury from Jews as a whole is quite positive, because while Haredim are welfare users, seculars are well paid professionals (yes, this holds even if you want to include the eleventy trillion dollars per millisecond that the US gives Israel, or whatever the latest fake figure being cited here is)

    Net balance to the treasury is positive, you say? Perhaps, but we would need to take more factors into account before deciding that, nicht wahr?

    We need to take into account the seemingly very disproportionate number of government jobs, usually higher-paying gov jobs, held by members of that racial-supremacist tribe. A gov employee of any race cannot be a net contributor to the public fisc because his entire salary, benefits, and then pension are paid by the taxpayer.

  153. @Clyde
    Most Somalis get here as refugees under refugee resettlement programs. Refugees are allowed instant access to a panoply of state and Federal welfare programs. Now that they have their foothold here they will bring in more useless Somalis via immigration in addition to refugee programs.

    Large populations of Somalis in UK and Canada. .... like they have a gold card for entering and plopping themselves down in civilized Anglo sphere nations.

    “refugee resettlement programs” is a euphemism for trafficking in human beings.

    Jewish, Catholic and Lutheran Family Services are middle men in the modern slave trade.

    Profiting from recolonizing aliens in one’s native country is treason and those who benefit by administering these programs should be hung by the neck until dead, preferably in a public place where they will serve as an example to others who may be tempted to betray their countrymen for personal gain.

  154. @Clyde
    semi-OT
    http://tinyurl.com/yd38y8ak ___lez/not lez___ Chief Harteu looks good and intriguing at 51 or so. Imagine what she was like a few decades back. She would be a lot more interesting to have a drink with than moron mayor, shameless Somali panderer, Betsy Hodges.
    Here is a the gold mine of hijab wearing Hodges sucking up to and getting huggy with the Somali community. This kook cannot get enough of them. Five different hijab photos for Betsy Hodges
    http://pamelageller.com/2017/07/ayor-hodges-hire-somali-muslims-first.html/

    Harteau is very, very pretty. I read the biography of da mayors black husband.
    His career can be summed up in 6 words:
    Grant hustling non profit poverty pimp.

  155. @anonymous
    Meanwhile, a hairy headed gent,
    Ran amok in Kent.
    Lately, he's been overheard in Mayfair...

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe4_1500867227

    Thanks for that! That’s not so much for the good tune but for that third lyric line that I hadn’t known till now. I have chronic lyricocis, you see. Yes, it’s been a struggle; imagine how it is for me to listen to REM!

  156. @Anonymous
    The ultra-orthodox object to the secular nature of the Israeli state. They are 'parasites' because supporting such a state is against their beliefs. If Israel were a bona fide Jewish state then it would be a different matter.

    If supporting the State is against their beliefs, then the are obliged to turn down welfare and all subsidies and programs and services from that State that they can realistically turn down. Let’s wait for that happen.

    (Cue Derb’s crickets……)

  157. @Ed
    Mormons in Scandinavia:


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/there-arent-many-eligible-mormons-in-greenland-and-thats-a-story-1470840556

    HANDEN, Sweden—Hundreds of young unmarried Mormons descended on a high-school gymnasium here on Stockholm's outskirts late last month for a raucous dance party that would continue until sunrise.

    No alcohol was served, but one would hardly have known. By midnight, the dancing reached a fever pitch. A pack of rowdy Britons in T-shirts emblazoned with “I [heart] Swedish Girls” roamed the floor. Outside, a group attempted something akin to a keg stand with a water cooler.
     

    We should all be relieved if scandinavians, or any other civilized white folks in Europe, convert to Mormonism, strange as some of their doctrines may be. Because the obvious alternative, esp in rapidly-colonized Muslim Sweden, is not conversion to Christianity but conversion to Islam.

  158. @Jack D
    The difference is that the Jews are not 70 IQ like the Somalis. Especially since most white people (especially non-Orthodox Jews) have given up on having children, having high IQ folks churn out 10 kids/ couple is not the worst thing in the world. At least some of their descendants will become productive citizens but the Somalis are going to be dead weight until the end of time.

    Ultra Orthodox Jews most likely prefer Somali Muslims then Jesus loving, pork eating, high IQ Christians… just saying!

  159. @kaganovitch
    "Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated."

    The article Paul Walker referenced above, to which Jack was responding was about the Yeshiva community in Lakewood, in which there is no inbreeding whatsoever. Even in the Hassidic community there is little inbreeding outside of Grand Rabbi's families. Having been raised in the Yeshiva community , I can tell you that Jack's estimate is not at all exaggerated. Speaking English is universal in the Yeshiva community and the vast majority of ex Yeshiva students are gainfully employed by their late 20's.

    Are you counting lawyers as “gainfully employed”? Serious question.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    "Are you counting lawyers as “gainfully employed”? Serious question."

    If you mean is the structure of the practice of law in these United States a boon for society net net? The answer is of course ,Hell, No! However that doesn't mean that any individual practicing law is not productively employed. ExYeshiva students for instance are not very commonly employed in litigation in general or ambulance chasing in particular (I'm not sure why actually but it's so). Very few end up in criminal law either (few criminal defense, even fewer prosecutors). Perhaps just a general aversion to the seamier sides of life explains both of these? I would estimate the majority end up in real estate law practices or tax law. By contrast secular Jews are heavily represented in criminal law and litigation/a.c.
  160. @Buffalo Joe
    WR, the governor of NY's office proudly states that the average cost of educating a child in NY is $19000 plus, out spending every other state. We spend too much, but $9000 seems light.

    That could bring the Somalian Direct* costs up way beyond $1/2 million per family. That does not negate my argument to be numerate if you’re gonna put estimates our there. (not directed at you, Joe, of course.)

    * not including any of the yuge social costs, some of which have no price tag, until you add up masive destruction from a revolution or civil war, well after the fact.

  161. @Jack D
    Sorry but the ex-Chief plays for the other team, know what I mean?

    Do you mean she is heavy into boots as opposed to a man being light in loafers?

  162. @Anonymous
    The ultra-orthodox object to the secular nature of the Israeli state. They are 'parasites' because supporting such a state is against their beliefs. If Israel were a bona fide Jewish state then it would be a different matter.

    Only the nutty, Iran loving Neturei Karta opposes establishment of Israel before the coming of mashiach and it ain’t the dude from Galilee… Satmar, Lubavitch, Bobov et al don’t oppose it.

  163. @wren
    Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.


     

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    “Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings”

    I.e., the gibs.

    This is also the reason that so many welfare-sponging American blacks migrated to Minnesota in the last quarter century or so. People who are functionally illiterate can be remarkably effective at comparative welfare analysis. If you ever get a chance to eavesdrop on this kind of ghetto conversation, I commend the experience. It is the financial version of Dave Chappelle’s Ghetto Paralegal:

    As a result of this, Minnesota went from near zero blacks to about 1/7. Steve had an article about this (Wisconsin version, but as everyone outside the Upper Midwest knows, Minnesota and Wisconsin are pretty much the same thing).

    I’ve taken flak here before for saying this, but the welfare state really is a dysgenic civilization-buster, and can only exist in the most carefully controlled environment (e.g., Denmark). Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide.

    • Agree: BB753, epochehusserl
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    The last sentence of this comment is supposed to be:

    "Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide."
     
    The Preview feature correctly interpreted the bracketed "s" html, but the Publish feature did not.
  164. @wren
    Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.


     

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    All those good things in Minnesota like robust entitlement offerings and a large number of charitable organizations presuppose a robust northern European white majority to pay for it. We’ve already seen how the third world mass migration story plays out in late-20th century Michigan and Illinois. The white population collapses due to out-migration of business, skyrocketing crime rates, un-affordable family formation, and diversity government tax persecution. The public sector then implodes.

    Today, refugees and other migrants are being dumped directly into Minnesota’s social safety net, where most will stay unto the umpteenth generation. Within a couple of decades the Great Lakes will be entirely ringed by third world no-go zones where everyone lives off Mark Zuckerberg’s free money. Which will be just around the time Mark Zuckerberg begins to look like George Soros.

    • Replies: @biz
    Just a brief correction: of the many issues Michigan has, un-affordable family formation is not one of them. It has quite low median home prices.
    , @Bleuteaux
    It's going to collapse. The sooner the better. However, if it takes until whites are 20% of the population, there is no coming back, not for another 500-1000 years.
  165. Now Noor’s lawyer want to know if the nice white lady victim was on sleeping meds:

    Plunkett also wants a coroner’s report with an outside lab, saying “it would be nice to know if there were some Ambien in [Damond’s] system.”

    Seems weird … maybe Noor was scared of the Zombie Apocalypse.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/20/justine-damond-friends-family-statement/

    • Replies: @res
    Hmm... Was a full tox screen done on Noor after the incident? Sauce for the goose and all that.
  166. @Travis
    Good point

    also notable that in 1970 there were 22 Million Blacks in America and today we have 43 Million. The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.

    “The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.”

    By a weird coincidence, this time period corresponds to the time when the welfare state really started promoting unwed breeding.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    But the population had already risen 50 fold in the previous 150 years since the international slave trade was stopped. Welfare just averted the demographic transition.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    By a weird coincidence, this time period corresponds to the time when the welfare state really started promoting unwed breeding.
     
    It's in the interest of the welfare state to promote unwed breeding, as it is with promoting low-wage, low-skill immigration.

    It's not in the interest of the people whose welfare the welfare state is charged to see fare well.

    The conflict of interest is baked into the very idea.

    I'm not against genuine welfare. When I can, I contribute to it. But the state has no more business running the system than it does running the church.
  167. @Almost Missouri

    "Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings"
     
    I.e., the gibs.

    This is also the reason that so many welfare-sponging American blacks migrated to Minnesota in the last quarter century or so. People who are functionally illiterate can be remarkably effective at comparative welfare analysis. If you ever get a chance to eavesdrop on this kind of ghetto conversation, I commend the experience. It is the financial version of Dave Chappelle's Ghetto Paralegal:

    https://youtu.be/My8SvYeZakA

    As a result of this, Minnesota went from near zero blacks to about 1/7. Steve had an article about this (Wisconsin version, but as everyone outside the Upper Midwest knows, Minnesota and Wisconsin are pretty much the same thing).

    I've taken flak here before for saying this, but the welfare state really is a dysgenic civilization-buster, and can only exist in the most carefully controlled environment (e.g., Denmark). Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide.

    The last sentence of this comment is supposed to be:

    “Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide.”

    The Preview feature correctly interpreted the bracketed “s” html, but the Publish feature did not.

  168. @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    They all have to go back.

    Most of the ancestors of the American ultra-Orthodox came to the US as refugees shortly after WWII (as did my parents) , but given their propensity to marry young, most of them were not only born here but even their parents and grandparents were born here – I think you are going to have a tough time constitutionally if your proposal is to send “back” (back to where?) native born children of US citizens (or as the law stands now, anyone born on US soil period).

    But maybe you are envisioning some post-Constitutional era where the people have made you their Führer and you can expel all the Joos and other parasites feeding off the blood of the white race.

    • Replies: @TipTipTopKek
    Back? You and yours have a homeland, it's called ISRAEL. Likewise does anybody who can meet the Right of Return definition, which is IIRC one Jewish grandparent or great-grandparent. We can get rid of six million that way (odd number, that, but there are about 6,000,000 Jews in the US).

    Next thing we do, is cancel dual citizenship, by canceling the American citizenship of such persons, since they have a home.

    If one was to research Jus Sanguinis then they would find lots of places where we can send people back to. For example, it is in the Mexican Constitution that anyone, born anywhere, to Mexican parents has the right of Mexican citizenship. BOOM! The DAPA and the DACA and the anchor babies and their mommas, all gone. Liberia is a legal option for all the members of BLM. At least, the BLACK members, if not the SJW Whites and the Jews in the movement (but they're already accounted for).

    Between the six million, the twenty million illegal aliens, the thirty or so million so-called currently legal Mexicans, and forty million blacks, there's a lot we can do. And we can make it all legal, just change the laws, amend the Constitution, whatever. It's not like it hasn't been amended before ...
  169. @Jack D
    Sorry but the ex-Chief plays for the other team, know what I mean?

    So what. I am aware of this. And you better believe she once had male partners. Once upon a time in the west…

  170. OT: Gang shootout at a Chicago golf course at 8:10 on a Sunday morning. Can’t find any local traditional media coverage, which surprises me given the time of day and the location of the golf course.

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2017/07/shootout-near-lakefront-golf-course.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I played that golf course about two dozen times. Back in the 1980s it was the heart of yuppie Chicago.
  171. In NJ corrupt cops look like the old America I grew up in.

    N.J. police officers charged with crimes

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/07/cops_charged_with_crimes.html#incart_m-rpt-2

    Not many Somalis in NJ I guess.

  172. @Old Palo Altan
    Frankly, at this point I don't want to see us vote our way out of this mess.
    I want the bloodiest and most triumphant revolt of the just the world has ever seen.

    No, honestly you don’t, or you shouldn’t if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust. Take those words back or you may live to regret them (if you are lucky).

    • Replies: @Thea
    If we can't have it we can make sure no one else will enjoy it either.

    Anyhow, the undeclared revolution began in 1960s and not by us. It has just been slow to reach a fever pitch.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust.
     
    If slavery or subjugation is the cost of inaction, then revolution is necessary.

    Death Before Dishonor.

    Of course, you can possibly make aliyah if things get too rambunctious stateside. No shame in that.
  173. @Percy Gryce
    Transracialism alert: I don't remember Steve covering this at the time:

    "I consider myself black," she says, adding later that her dad "would look me in the eyes and he'd point his finger at me and he'd be like, 'You're black. Be proud of your roots.' And I'd be like, 'OK, he's my dad, why would he lie to me?' So I just believe what he told me. 'Cause, to my knowledge, he's never lied to me.

    "Most people that don't know me call me white," Paris concedes. "I've got light skin and, especially since I've had my hair blond, I look like I was born in Finland or something." She points out that it's far from unheard of for mixed-race kids to look like her – accurately noting that her complexion and eye color are similar to the TV actor Wentworth Miller's, who has a black dad and a white mom.
     
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/paris-jackson-michael-jacksons-daughter-speaks-out-w462501

    Can we exempt the Jackson family on account that they’re insane?

    • LOL: Percy Gryce
  174. @Travis
    Good point

    also notable that in 1970 there were 22 Million Blacks in America and today we have 43 Million. The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.

    Was it Adam Smith who said that there is a great deal of ruin in any nation? Americans applied their productive streak to the task of securing that ruin. Chain immigration is the latest killer app to produce unseen amounts of ruin and the greatest, richest ore veins in the history of mankind, the US middle class, are nearly exhausted.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  175. @Almost Missouri

    "The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970."
     
    By a weird coincidence, this time period corresponds to the time when the welfare state really started promoting unwed breeding.

    But the population had already risen 50 fold in the previous 150 years since the international slave trade was stopped. Welfare just averted the demographic transition.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Not sure what you're driving at here.

    Also, not sure your figures are correct. The US black population did not increase in 50-fold in 150 years.
  176. @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    How is “haggling over every word of the Talmud” less productive than us haggling over each other’s comments here on Unz.com?

    • Replies: @bomag

    How is “haggling over every word of the Talmud” less productive than us haggling over each other’s comments here on Unz.com?
     
    I'm willing to entertain the notion that I'm wasting time and costing someone (myself) money. Our Talmudic doppelgangers imagine that there are material rewards for this stuff.
    , @Alden
    It's different because when we aren't haggling over unz comments we are working instead of living in our kids welfare benefits.
    , @3g4me
    @113 Dave Pinsen: While a majority of Steve's commentariat is composed, unfortunately, of boomers, Jews, and various right liberals, they are still voters and still fairly engaged in the political and social issues of the day. They are also supplemented by not a few of us who are strongly Alt-Right and committed to the survival of White children and a future for the White race. For you to make a direct comparison between that demographic and a group of primarily Polish Jews who arrived post WWII and their descendants who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others, merely demonstrates unusual sensitivity to the issue at hand - in this case, the productivity/utility/civic-mindedness of Haredi Jews. As admitted even by Jack, most of them speak Yiddish as their primary language and have minimal, if any, study or knowledge about American history or Americans in general, and those who vote follow the orders of their rebbe.

    I thought you were a bit better than to play such a game.
    , @Opinionator
    Uh, because the purpose of the latter is to determine among ourselves the best policies for the American people, while the motivation behind the former is, "Is it good for the Jews?"
    , @Brutusale
    The gubmint ain't paying me to comment. At worst, I'm guilty of posting on my consultee's time.
  177. Noor, 31, is the oldest of Mohamed Abass and Rahmo Ali’s ten children

    Why does he have a different surname than his parents? Is this some Somali custom?

    • Replies: @biz
    I know that among Muslim Arabs, and some Christians in the Arab world, it is common for a person's last name to be their father's first name, so children can have a different last name than their parents. Maybe Somalis do a similar thing, but even that wouldn't explain Noor.
  178. Take them back?
    Götterdämmerung is my middle name.

  179. @Buffalo Joe
    Wilkey, my wife and some other women from church spend hours cutting and sewing 100s of diapers to send to the missions in Nicaragua. I hope they appreciate the effort and don't use them as polishing clothes for their automobiles. Or sell them. Or maybe that's why they send them cloth diapers so they can't resell them.

    Probably they will use them as dish rags and get disposable diapers for their kids the same as everyone else. When we had our kids, my wife considered using cloth diapers for about 5 minutes but once she really thought about all that it entailed she bought a giant box of disposables and never looked back. And Nicaraguans, even poor ones, are fully aware of modern conveniences and crave them as much as anyone else. They just throw them wherever they are when they are done with them.

    https://www.efe.com/efe/english/life/divers-remove-1-6-tons-of-trash-from-scenic-bay-in-nicaragua/50000263-2754217 . We don’t need no steenkin trash cans, gringo!

  180. @WR
    Look at this webpage http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/03/costs-of-the-somali-community.php. One of the commenters has done the calculation. His estimate sounds reasonable to me but I'm not an expert on refugee resettlement. Could someone with direct knowledge of these matters elaborate on it?


    Costs of educating seven non-English speaking kids @ $9k each: $63,000. Medicaid coverage for a family of nine? You know what health coverage costs, but let's be conservative; $1500 a month: $18,000. Subsidized housing? Let's say $800 a month: round off at $10,000 a year. Refugee cash assistance? $475 a month, so let's call it $6k a year. Let's ignore food stamps, free cell phones, county reimbursements for car repairs, other transportation costs, translation services. Grand total so far for family of nine: $97,000. The family is eligible to remain on the public dole for FIVE YEARS: $485,000. I estimate my city of 20,000 have 5,000 Somalis now. Amazing, I know. So let's say we have, what, 2,200 families? That's $10.7 million per year, of which nearly 10% is borne by locals for public education.

    I have no quibble with your underlying cost assumptions, but the math in your concluding paragraph is way off.
    Your $97K per year is predicated on a 9-member family. If your town has 5000 Somalis, that’s approximately 500 basis “families” for an annual cost of $48.5M, not $10.7M. Five year total would be about a quarter billion with a B dollars. Outrageous, particularly since society can have no expectation of a return for value from such a squalid group of parasites.

  181. @Anon
    It never seems to occur to anyone that a person who has enough drive and impetus to get himself out of Somalia and planted in a foreign country can indeed summon enough impetus to go buy a box of diapers at the grocery store.

    In some countries (England specifically) it’s come out that there were actually people sent from the host receiving country to areas of the world to look for people to bring in from these third world garbage heaps.

  182. @Jack D
    No, honestly you don't, or you shouldn't if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust. Take those words back or you may live to regret them (if you are lucky).

    If we can’t have it we can make sure no one else will enjoy it either.

    Anyhow, the undeclared revolution began in 1960s and not by us. It has just been slow to reach a fever pitch.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    .

    ...the undeclared revolution began in 1960s
     
    ...

    Not exactly an undeclared revolution.

    https://youtu.be/OzHBr0ndKus
  183. East Africans v. Sub-Saharan West Africans.

    Even Africans see West Africans as the worst. You can see this in the tensions between Caribbean-Africans who immigrate to the U.S. versus native-born, descendant of slave West-African-Americans. Caribbean-Africans are very color conscious, and constantly push their sons and daughters to marry lighter skinned folk. What’s more, they often have more intact family units.

    That East Africans would have tension with out descendant of slave folks is unsurprising. It’s like thinking that Italian immigrants and Irish immigrants in 19th Century America would have no problem integrating and would have no gang fighting on the basis of both being from the same continent and being white.

    These are separate peoples/ separate nations, people.

    • Replies: @Herzog
    Whorefinder,

    while I agree with the general thrust of your argument (West Africans being loathed and distrusted by East Africans), one intra-East African dividing line is worth adding.

    To wit, all non-Somali East Africans loathe, distrust, often hate the Somalis. Folks as different as the various Kenyan and Ethiopian peoples easily and readily agree on this point, and within religiously pretty evenly divided Ethiopia it's not only the Orthodox Christians who hold this view, but also non-Somali Ethiopian Muslims.
  184. @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?

    How is “haggling over every word of the Talmud” less productive than us haggling over each other’s comments here on Unz.com?

    I’m willing to entertain the notion that I’m wasting time and costing someone (myself) money. Our Talmudic doppelgangers imagine that there are material rewards for this stuff.

  185. @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?

    It’s different because when we aren’t haggling over unz comments we are working instead of living in our kids welfare benefits.

  186. @RobertTaylor
    Off Topic although related to immigration:

    Steve has said homosexuals are one group that often do quite well in a social hierarchy (I think I've got that right).

    How did homosexuals do in the Ottoman Empire?

    It looks like it wasn't too bad for them according to Wikipedia. I wonder because most gays seem pretty accepting of mass Muslim immigration into the West, which strikes the average guy as odd, since we think of Muslims as being very anti-gay.

    Fire in the hole

    Maybe.

  187. One important factor, if you take a typical low-IQ Somalian, and he takes a liking to “american black culture,” you have retarded tomfuckery squared, spanning generations…

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    More generally, this is another problem with mass third world immigration that most economist types gloss over. Black underclass culture in the U.S. is pretty terrible, and when immigrants from poor countries come here, there's a good chance that's what their children are going to assimilate into. Jason DeParle's article on 2nd generation (legal) Salvadoran immigrants is a must-read example of this: "Struggling to rise in suburbs where failing means fitting in".
  188. @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?

    @113 Dave Pinsen: While a majority of Steve’s commentariat is composed, unfortunately, of boomers, Jews, and various right liberals, they are still voters and still fairly engaged in the political and social issues of the day. They are also supplemented by not a few of us who are strongly Alt-Right and committed to the survival of White children and a future for the White race. For you to make a direct comparison between that demographic and a group of primarily Polish Jews who arrived post WWII and their descendants who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others, merely demonstrates unusual sensitivity to the issue at hand – in this case, the productivity/utility/civic-mindedness of Haredi Jews. As admitted even by Jack, most of them speak Yiddish as their primary language and have minimal, if any, study or knowledge about American history or Americans in general, and those who vote follow the orders of their rebbe.

    I thought you were a bit better than to play such a game.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    a group of primarily Polish Jews

    Not true. Many of the most ultra-Orthodox sects such as Satmar are Hungarian or Romanian (depending on where the border was/is) if only because Hitler did a much more thorough job on the Polish Jews.


    who arrived post WWII and their descendants

    true

    who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others,

    This part is not true at all - there was no tradition of even learned Jews not working for a living. Many of the most famous rabbis in history were known to have other occupations. Maimonides was a doctor, Rashi is thought to have been a winemaker, etc. While young scholars might have lived off of Jewish community support (we don't expect students to work full time either) once you were married you (with the assistance of your wife, who often ran the business) were expected to be self-supporting and to have some occupation or business - shopkeeper, innkeeper, etc. Study of the Talmud was not supposed to be a full time occupation, except for a handful rabbis/teachers, not the whole community. Certainly government support of any kind was completely out of the question. Just as with blacks, the current f-ed up system is of relatively recent (post WWII) origin and not something that goes back a long time.

    So to the extent that the Haredi exploit the American (and Israeli) welfare system, I view this as the fault of the system, as is true with any welfare dependent group. If the bears are eating in local the garbage dump instead of out there doing what bears are supposed to do, this is the fault of the humans for not fencing the dump, not the bears.
  189. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Here you go, "Lot" and "Clyde".
    https://needtoknow.news/2017/06/new-jersey-orthodox-jewish-families-arrested-welfare-scam/

    Idiots think in anecdotes rather than statistics.

  190. @Thea
    If we can't have it we can make sure no one else will enjoy it either.

    Anyhow, the undeclared revolution began in 1960s and not by us. It has just been slow to reach a fever pitch.

    .

    …the undeclared revolution began in 1960s

    Not exactly an undeclared revolution.

    • Agree: Thea
  191. @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community

    Source?

  192. I’ve been on a bad ship such as she :

    And I have been in this shit and it is nothing . I never feared the angry seas .

    You cannot understand but the donut was more than a match for Neptune’s rage . I had no fear of death and I sat on the poop deck with the waves rolling over and mocked him with a drink in my hand I dared Him to take me . He faltered and I survived . But my good friend and shipmate John from Marshfield , Ma after a fire and boat drill went down to see what was loose on the poop deck and was swept away to his death on Dec. 9th 1991 . He was a good shipmate and even now I sometimes start up in the night my heart wrenched with thoughts of his last moments . He was a friend of mine . Having spent 20 years at sea I know that we may have many acquaintances and we should be grateful for them all . But true friends like true lovers are not of our choosing , they are a blessing , unlooked for and unbidden . They are rare and precious gifts to be cherished as the most valuable treasure that a man might find .

  193. @Old Palo Altan
    Frankly, at this point I don't want to see us vote our way out of this mess.
    I want the bloodiest and most triumphant revolt of the just the world has ever seen.

    Did you just say that you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Clearly OPA conveyed that there would be millions of necessary violent deaths. There may have been some hyperbole involved. ;)
    , @anonymous

    …you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?
     
    Unnecessary? No. Violent? No. The rest is who/whom.
  194. @prole
    Well stated. Trump will most likely win Minnesota in 2020 if he runs, even if another neoconservative like McMullen runs a's a third party spoiler.

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    MN is moving farther left. It is losing high income jobs. It has net migration out for Americans. Its pop increase is only due to international immigrants. Anyone who would ever vote for Trump again is having refugees move into their districts on purpose. The rest will wring hands.

    Socially, see:

    See: met council:https://metrocouncil.org/Data-and-Maps/Data/Census-Forecasts-Estimates.aspx

    From their PDF:
    The seven-county Minneapolis-St. Paul region is projected to gain
    824,000 people in coming decades, reaching 3,674,000 residents in
    2040, up from 2,850,000 in 2010. Projected growth rates, 9 percent per
    decade, are below peak growth rates seen in the 1980s and the 1990s –
    but above-average compared to national projections for the same period.
    Natural population growth, or births outpacing deaths, will add 590,000
    residents. Natural population growth will account for 72 percent of the
    total population growth from 2010 to 2040. Birth rates are higher among
    families of color than white families, contributing steadily and gradually to
    the racial and ethnic diversity of the region.
    More than one-quarter (28 percent) of the region’s population gain will be
    driven by migration. The Twin Cities region is likely to gain 355,000 new
    residents through international immigration while losing 128,000
    residents to domestic out-migration, for a net migration gain of 227,000
    during the 30-years forecast period.
    ———–

    State economy:

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/reports-books/minnesotas-economy-mediocre-performance-threatens-states-future/

    Taxes and regulatory burden outrageous.
    It is pricing out of the market any non rich or non welfare family. Own a home in Ramsey or Hennepin counties (home of St. Paul or Mpls or their suburbs on the west)? Your property taxes are well over 1% and nearly 2% of your home’s estimated value, a value that for many people since 2006 is still above market value.

    But that’s not enough. Mpls just passed an outrageous $15 /hour minimum wage, and Paul just passed outrageous paid leave for all companies even small businesses.

    The k-12 system had completely fallen apart. The top high schools are sending more and more kids to remedial community college to take math and writing they should have learned in 9th grade. Meantime what’s left are SJWs.

    See:

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/07/mn-dept-education-approves-controversial-transgender-toolkit/

    And recent story about the tony west suburb of Mpls, Edina, and its educators:

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/07/edina-teachers-take-sides-partisan-politics/

    The “out-state” as it is called, meaning rural areas, are already totally left of center.

  195. @Lot
    What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?

    Public schools cost about $15-20,000 a year in urban areas, but special needs kids with low IQs and behavior problems will be mich higher.

    Then there is the crime, loss in property values and property taxes, food stamps and Medicaid.

    I think $250,000 per year is a reasonable estimate.

    To pay that, you'd need the entire tax burden of about fifteen typical white families.

    We are now akin to slaves owned by the worst people in the world.

    I can tell you that this is precisely the kind of question that economists whisper about over beer or on the golf course…but would never in a thousand years actually try to answer.

    Any sane person with a working knowledge of economics or even basic bookkeeping/budgeting would ask this question.

    Any economist with a job would avoid it.

    It is one of the two most important questions of The Current Year, IMO, intertwined with my other pet one: who is organizing this people trafficking, and how are they economically profiting?

    I.e., an economic analysis of “refugee resettlement programs” is well overdue.

    Economists ignore huge and crucial issues by dismissing them as “externalities” or a non-quantifiable “social good.”

    Fact is, they don’t want to try to measure…because they know what they will find. Numbers be racist.

    • Replies: @Lot
    We know what happened to Jason Richwine.

    As far as who is profiting from the actual smuggling, seems to just be random Arabs who get their hands on a boat that can make it a mile off the coast of Libya and then wait for an EU navy to tug it to Italy.
  196. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    bend

  197. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    I teied to agree, but I was locked out if the system, as it were. I find when this happens (ai presume because a cookie has expired or some such) I can rectify matters by making a comment and immediatelt deleting it, with the wffect that i am logged back into the system for having entered my handle and address. In the event, I was unable to delete the comment (no opportunity was given at all to edit or delete it).

    Thus, I offer my fervent support for your crusade against this writing in the manner of adolescent girls’ speech, and a bloated explanation of myself at no additional charge.

    Apropopos of nothing, may I add that everyone I encounter is now a shapeless blob? I’d say one in fifty persons has some modicum of fitness. The world was not so in my youth.

  198. @AndrewR
    Excuse me but you have just committed one of the most heinous grammatical crimes known to English.

    Acceptable: "my friend's boyfriend"

    Acceptable: "the boyfriend of a friend of mine"

    Worse than the holocaust (admittedly a low bar): "a friend of mine's boyfriend"

    Even your proper use of "whom" was unable to mitigate the horrors of your error. May Webster have mercy on your soul...

    What’s the grammar problem here? Style, sure, but rules differ from guidelines.

  199. @donut
    BTW Steve what happened to Takis' "The Week That Perished" this week ? I always look forward to it and it didn't appear this Sunday . I hope he is well .

    That’s one of my favorite columns as well. I’m surprised at your apparent assertion that Taki is the writer.

    • Replies: @donut
    Yeah , you're right it does say "by Takimag" . I guess it just didn't register . Thanks .
  200. @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    Indeed, lwtnus be sure to include data about all the Americans displaced from their jobs as physicians, engineers, and entrepreneurs by overpopulation via invasion, as they cannot compete with imported ringers (whose governments wholly subsidised their educations), being saddled as they are with non-dischargeable debts, mandatory preferences for foreigners and mud people enforced by the EELC and its ilk, and so forth. Let us be sure to include not only practicing engineers and physicians, but also those who abandoned any hope or plan to study for those professions, having sense to see the rigged game they would face upon graduation.

    And let us also include the misery wrougt by these invaders’ malpractice, fraud, incompetence, cronyism, and nepotism, as well as the costs of importing their sickly, elderly parents to draw upon benefits to which tjey never contributed, their layabout cousins, and all the rest. Lastly, let us be sure to account for a host of externalities such as the stench of public transit, untenable traffic and congestion, backlogs to visit national parks requiring registration years in advance, and the dysphonia of incessant gabbling in ugly, incomprehensible tongues.

    Let us be very meticulous in these reckonings, by all means.

  201. @Thea
    There is an argument to be made for black nationalists ( descendants of W. African slaves) and white nationalist joining together against the invaders.

    With a geographic separation as part of the alliance, yes. Give the black Americans the portion of the south that was most enthusiastic about importing them as slaves, which happens to most resemble sub-Saharan Africa: SC, AL, MS, LA, GA.

  202. @Jack D

    They all have to go back.
     
    Most of the ancestors of the American ultra-Orthodox came to the US as refugees shortly after WWII (as did my parents) , but given their propensity to marry young, most of them were not only born here but even their parents and grandparents were born here - I think you are going to have a tough time constitutionally if your proposal is to send "back" (back to where?) native born children of US citizens (or as the law stands now, anyone born on US soil period).

    But maybe you are envisioning some post-Constitutional era where the people have made you their Führer and you can expel all the Joos and other parasites feeding off the blood of the white race.

    Back? You and yours have a homeland, it’s called ISRAEL. Likewise does anybody who can meet the Right of Return definition, which is IIRC one Jewish grandparent or great-grandparent. We can get rid of six million that way (odd number, that, but there are about 6,000,000 Jews in the US).

    Next thing we do, is cancel dual citizenship, by canceling the American citizenship of such persons, since they have a home.

    If one was to research Jus Sanguinis then they would find lots of places where we can send people back to. For example, it is in the Mexican Constitution that anyone, born anywhere, to Mexican parents has the right of Mexican citizenship. BOOM! The DAPA and the DACA and the anchor babies and their mommas, all gone. Liberia is a legal option for all the members of BLM. At least, the BLACK members, if not the SJW Whites and the Jews in the movement (but they’re already accounted for).

    Between the six million, the twenty million illegal aliens, the thirty or so million so-called currently legal Mexicans, and forty million blacks, there’s a lot we can do. And we can make it all legal, just change the laws, amend the Constitution, whatever. It’s not like it hasn’t been amended before …

  203. “Minnesota cop who fatally shot Australian woman was ‘fast-tracked’ into the force,” Fox News, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/24/minnesota-cop-who-fatally-shot-australian-woman-was-fast-tracked-into-force.html

  204. @Percy Gryce
    If we really had a discussion about the cost/benefit of immigration or diversity in general, it would only be fair to tote up the doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, and other success stories.

    Until last week, Noor probably would have been high on that list.

    Now we know better.

    In the case of Somalis, I can total that up for you. It’s zero.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    LOL. Yes, if pretty-white-lady-shooting Noor is the best they have to offer ....
  205. Mohamed Abass and Rahmo Ali have ten surviving children because they have access to the modern medicine developed almost entirely in the Anglo-Germanic nations. There is no modern medical procedure, medical device or drug that was developed in Somalia by Somalians, not a single one, not of any kind, not of any description.

    The degree to which Somalians proliferate in Anglo-Germanic countries is the degree to which those countries lose the capacity to develop further advances in medical procedures, medical devices, and drugs.

    For the good of all humanity, the proliferation of Somalians in Anglo-Germanic nations must be curtailed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    So modern medicine is exclusively Anglo-Germanic? What about the French, Swiss, Italians, Russians, Jews, etc?
  206. @Detective Club
    The NYC local TeeVee news always has the following :
    "I can't imagine how he would wind up and do such a thing? - - - not in a million years! He was such a good neighbor! Maybe something happened and he just snapped. You know, he just went off all of a sudden, maybe that could have been it! I wonder what it was that made him do that! Maybe we'll never know!"

    Things We’d Like To Hear:

    “Your neighbor was just found to have in his house forty bodies buried under his basement, three human heads in his garage freezer, and a bong made from the petrified corpse of a girl who had declared legally dead three years ago. Any comments?”

    “Totally saw it coming.”

  207. @Peripatetic commenter
    Did you like this bit?

    and Mr Noor fired his gun, which was in his lap at the time.
     
    Discovery will be interesting, I imagine. But then, the city will probably rush to settle to avoid discovery.

    If the photos of Noor in the newspapers are the equivalent of those Trayvon photos, then he must be pretty scary looking when not posing.
    Also note his unusual anthropometry.
    Short upper arm compared to very long lower arm.
    Are people with these dimensions more prone to violence?

  208. @Travis
    Good point

    also notable that in 1970 there were 22 Million Blacks in America and today we have 43 Million. The number of Blacks in America has doubled in 50 years while the number of whites has remained the same since 1970.

    Wow. Then, if not for immigration, the USA would today be over 20% black!

  209. @Luke Lea
    Was there no background check before he was hired? No personality test or psychological profile?

    In Chicago there is a move to lower the bar in terms of psychological stability of police recruits because the psychological testing is unfair to minorities. (I think it may have been alleged that the examiners were unsympathetic to minority males.)

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I mentioned this on Twitter, but maybe cops shouldn't be armed with lethal weapons for the first 5 years on the job. If they work in a dangerous enough area, pair them with a lethally-armed 5+ year veteran.

    If they need a 9mm to look the part, give them one and load it with plastic bullets. Granted those aren't non-lethal in all cases, but 40 year old blonde ladies would have a more sporting chance of surviving a plastic bullet.

    5 years interacting with the public is a better gauge of a cop's suitability to be armed with lethal weapons than any psychological test. Chances are, Mohamed Noor would have been off the force within 5 years, having racked up enough complaints.
  210. @Father O'Hara
    I want them gone,back where they came from or perhaps Malibu or Martha's Vineyard ,Tel Aviv,or Hell,and I want the filthy scum behind bringing them here to pay for their crimes. We can start with Mr. B+ who should be sent back with them. Piece of shit!

    I want [the Somalis] gone,back where they came from …

    Better idea – let’s keep the Somalis here. People in those states that welcomed them deserve their guests, hard and good.

    HOWEVER, for each Somali brain surgeon, rocket scientist, classical scholar etc., ONE social worker, Lutheran/Catholic/Jewish “charity” scamster, social benefits administrator etc. will be put on a one-way steamer to Somalia.

    After all, who are we to say that Linda the nice white social worker is more valuable than Mohammad bin Mohammad the welfare scammer and occasional rapist.

    Upon departure, Linda and all the other elite “social entrepreneurs” and specialists of spending other people’s money will be stripped of their U.S. citizenship, and allowed to spend the rest of their lives among the charming, thoroughly authentic, khat-chewing natives of the Horn of Africa.

  211. @Jack D
    No, honestly you don't, or you shouldn't if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust. Take those words back or you may live to regret them (if you are lucky).

    Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust.

    If slavery or subjugation is the cost of inaction, then revolution is necessary.

    Death Before Dishonor.

    Of course, you can possibly make aliyah if things get too rambunctious stateside. No shame in that.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    It'll be a long time before Israel is safer than the United States.
  212. @El Dato

    One student, Abdi Sheikh, said he saw hundreds of students fighting in what appeared to be a racial incident.

    “A big riot,” he said. “It was all types of races.”
     
    "A day at the races", eh?

    A day at the races was far more likely than a night at the opera.

  213. @wren
    Why the Somalis are in Minnesota:

    Most of Minnesota’s Somali population started off as legal refugees through a program administered by the U.S. State Department through the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration.

    Minnesota was selected among the nation’s states for relocation primarily because of its robust entitlement offerings and the number of charitable organizations operating within the state with which the State Department contracts.

    “Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state,” said Ahmed Samatar, a professor of international studies at Macalester College, in St. Paul.


     

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/islamist-terror-groups-target-minnesota-somali-ref/

    Minnesota is exceptional in many ways but it’s the closest thing in the United States to a true social democratic state

    Inject 50k Somalis into it and it won’t take long before that’s no longer the case.

    Wonder if that was the plan.

  214. @biz
    Some slight differences between the two cases you could consider:

    1) Haredi Jews are natural born citizens of the US not imported refugees generally

    2) While Haredim they take more than their share of state largess, they are generally law abiding and cause no trouble to others outside their insular community.

    3) The issue of Haredi welfare dependence IS frequently discussed

    4) The net balance of payments to the US treasury from Jews as a whole is quite positive, because while Haredim are welfare users, seculars are well paid professionals (yes, this holds even if you want to include the eleventy trillion dollars per millisecond that the US gives Israel, or whatever the latest fake figure being cited here is)

    I would like to see a comparison between Amish and Haredim

    - criminality
    - Welfare payments community income
    - school voucher payments income
    - costs of DHS anti-terrorist security measures
    - tax payments

    How expensive/profitable are Amish, Haredim, Somalis per capita per year?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I would like to see a comparison between Amish and Haredim

    - criminality

    Violent crime - almost nil by both groups
    Haredim commit more financial crimes - welfare/Medicare fraud, etc.
    As the Amish come into more contact with the broader world, there have been some arrests for drugs, etc. Also Amish have pre-modern notions about animal and child cruelty so there have been some arrests for the way they treat animals and children, etc.

    - Welfare payments community income

    Amish avoid any contact with government
    Haredim like to exploit the welfare system

    - school voucher payments income

    same as for welfare

    - costs of DHS anti-terrorist security measures

    nil for both groups

    - tax payments

    Amish do not pay into (or collect) social security. A large part of their lifestyle is outside the cash economy (work performed by family members, eating what they produce, etc.) and therefore untaxed.

    Many Haredi don't hesitate to cheat on taxes if they think they can get away with it but some own large scale businesses where it's impossible to avoid paying all taxes. High income individuals pay most of the taxes in the US - over half the tax collections come from the top 2.7% of returns filed. So probably on the whole they pay more taxes - you don't read about a lot of Amish millionaires.
  215. @3g4me
    @54 Jack D: Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated. Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.

    And as for @33 biz claiming they are a "law-abiding community" discounting their massive welfare and tax and real estate frauds, he obviously has a rather different definition of law abiding than most of us. Also, considering these purported "natural born citizens" often barely speak English and have ZERO genetic or cultural connection to America 1.0 and its founders, they differ from the Somalis merely in their skin color and the types of crimes they commit. The cost/benefit analysis re American society as a whole is about the same - massively in the red.

    They all have to go back.
    DNA MATTERS.

    “law-abiding community”

    Diamond smuggling. Ecstasy smuggling. Human organs trafficking.

  216. @kaganovitch
    "Given the intense levels of inbreeding in the Haredi community, your estimate of their IQ level is wildly exaggerated."

    The article Paul Walker referenced above, to which Jack was responding was about the Yeshiva community in Lakewood, in which there is no inbreeding whatsoever. Even in the Hassidic community there is little inbreeding outside of Grand Rabbi's families. Having been raised in the Yeshiva community , I can tell you that Jack's estimate is not at all exaggerated. Speaking English is universal in the Yeshiva community and the vast majority of ex Yeshiva students are gainfully employed by their late 20's.

    Marriage among cousins is OK

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

    The effects of inbreeding are dealt with in a special Jewish Genetics Disease Center.

    http://icahn.mssm.edu/research/jewish-genetics

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    The matter at bar was not if cousin marriages are prohibited as a matter of Jewish law , but whether they exist in practice in this community. They don't. The Icahn Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases has nothing to do with contemporary cousin marriage, but with millenia old cousin marriage so to speak ,or the reproductive isolation of the Ashkenazi community. Ironically Cochran and Harpending contend that the IQ advantage of Ashkenazim goes hand in hand with the genetic disease load rather than the inbreeding causing great IQ drop as proposed by 3g4me.
    , @Jack D
    Pretty sure that Kaganovitch is familiar with the Jewish law concerning cousin marriage. Notwithstanding that it is permitted, it is (unlike in the Muslim community) nowadays rare to unheard of, even among the ultra-Orthodox. Just as with polygamy, Jewish views on such matters tend to reflect the views of the broader society (especially given that they are subject to criminal prosecution for breaking secular laws). Cousin marriage was once more common for Jews living in Arab lands, given that there was no secular taboo.

    The Orthodox are well aware of the issue of genetic diseases and Orthodox couples undergo genetic testing before marriage in order to insure that they are not both carriers of Tay-Sachs and other genetic diseases. These diseases are more a result of the fact that there was a small founding population rather than any recent inbreeding. Of course, for any group to have special characteristics (such as above average IQ) there has to be some level of inbreeding or else the group wouldn't exist as a distinct group in the first place - see Steve's notion that ethnic groups are just extended families writ large.
  217. @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?

    Uh, because the purpose of the latter is to determine among ourselves the best policies for the American people, while the motivation behind the former is, “Is it good for the Jews?”

  218. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “No, honestly you don’t, or you shouldn’t if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust.”

    It’s probably unfortunate that people act, and think, as if a revolution could never occur in the US. Thinking about that might make people more thoughtful. Once the just (who is that, exactly, anyway?) are being consumed, history is all too full of examples where they passed the point of caring about whether things were under control. After all, they are being consumed, so what do they have to lose? And that “control” may well be what is doing the consuming. One of the best things about western democratic government on a good day is that many small non-violent “revolutions” can occur. But it’s not guaranteed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You need to understand that the US never had a true revolution. The American Revolution was really an anti-colonial rebellion, which is a different thing. George Washington owned Mt. Vernon before the Revolution and he owned it afterward (of course a few people who backed the colonial masters lost their property). True revolutions are not started by the richest men of the society. True revolutions (eg. French, Russian) are bloody affairs and rarely turn out well even for those who started them.

    As you say, the whole point of having democratic government is to provide some safety valve so that pressures can be relieved gradually rather than building up to the point where an explosion is inevitable. I think this is still working pretty well on the whole - 8 years of the Obama Administration were NOT followed by 8 years of the Hillary Administration.
  219. @Hibernian
    In Chicago there is a move to lower the bar in terms of psychological stability of police recruits because the psychological testing is unfair to minorities. (I think it may have been alleged that the examiners were unsympathetic to minority males.)

    I mentioned this on Twitter, but maybe cops shouldn’t be armed with lethal weapons for the first 5 years on the job. If they work in a dangerous enough area, pair them with a lethally-armed 5+ year veteran.

    If they need a 9mm to look the part, give them one and load it with plastic bullets. Granted those aren’t non-lethal in all cases, but 40 year old blonde ladies would have a more sporting chance of surviving a plastic bullet.

    5 years interacting with the public is a better gauge of a cop’s suitability to be armed with lethal weapons than any psychological test. Chances are, Mohamed Noor would have been off the force within 5 years, having racked up enough complaints.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Plastic bullets are too dangerous to be used as a common compliance tool (Tasers are far safer). And if the threat is perceived to be so dangerous that immediate incapacity is required (hostile suspect(s) with gun / charging with knife / ramming with car / pitbulls attacking, etc.), plastic bullets won’t do the job.

    Deadly encounters can happen anywhere, not just in redlined “dangerous areas.” There is not yet a safe (for all parties) technical solution to stop dangerous suspects cold.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQBhUzEsO-Y
  220. @Barnard
    OT: Gang shootout at a Chicago golf course at 8:10 on a Sunday morning. Can't find any local traditional media coverage, which surprises me given the time of day and the location of the golf course.

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2017/07/shootout-near-lakefront-golf-course.html

    I played that golf course about two dozen times. Back in the 1980s it was the heart of yuppie Chicago.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Haven't played there yet. Closest I've got is Diversey Driving range about a mile away. I guess that's a good thing. I've driven balls on the Jackson Park Driving Range and played on the 9 hole South Shore Cultural Center course. (It's the former South Shore Country Club.) These two facilities, while nice and on the lakefront, are near some real high crime areas.

    The North Side lakefront, home of the Marovitz Golf Course and the Diversy Driving Range, has gotten steadily more solidly yuppieish since I first came to Chicago in 1976. A few more incidents like this could reverse the trend.

    In the 50s and early 60s, I've heard and read, it looked more likely that the North Side would go the way of the South Side than the other way around. That could happen again.
  221. @Faraday's Bobcat
    Did you just say that you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?

    Clearly OPA conveyed that there would be millions of necessary violent deaths. There may have been some hyperbole involved. ;)

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Let us hope that those who profited by bringing them here also experience the cleansing.
  222. @PV van der Byl
    There really are such people as "Somali Bantus" but was not aware any had been admitted to the US. They live in what is geographically Somalia but are not closely related to ethnic Somalis. Almost all of them are descendants of Bantus (who generally live well west and south of Somalia) captured by Somali slave raiders generations or even centuries ago.

    You will not be shocked to learn that ethnic Somalis hold them in complete contempt.

    None of the Minneapolis Somalis who have recently appeared in photographs look like Bantus to me at all. And I grew up around Bantus.

    All I have seen, including "Officer" Noor, have classically Somali appearances.

    There are some Somali Bantu refugees. Who are they refugees from? The Somali Somalis.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Basically, yes. But that seems also true of Sonali Somalis!
    , @james wilson
    A couple years ago, and my recollection is of a city in Ohio, there was a story with photos of a riot outside a government office that was set to apportion a couple hundred Section 8 housing for Somalis, but two thousand Somalis arrived to sign up. To my surprise they were all Bantus. Unmistakably. Noor is clearly not. So much to learn, so little time! I once assumed ethnic Somalis were more intelligent than their slave class. Alas, USG provides much clarity from experience I would not have thought to ask for.
  223. @Dave Pinsen
    I mentioned this on Twitter, but maybe cops shouldn't be armed with lethal weapons for the first 5 years on the job. If they work in a dangerous enough area, pair them with a lethally-armed 5+ year veteran.

    If they need a 9mm to look the part, give them one and load it with plastic bullets. Granted those aren't non-lethal in all cases, but 40 year old blonde ladies would have a more sporting chance of surviving a plastic bullet.

    5 years interacting with the public is a better gauge of a cop's suitability to be armed with lethal weapons than any psychological test. Chances are, Mohamed Noor would have been off the force within 5 years, having racked up enough complaints.

    Plastic bullets are too dangerous to be used as a common compliance tool (Tasers are far safer). And if the threat is perceived to be so dangerous that immediate incapacity is required (hostile suspect(s) with gun / charging with knife / ramming with car / pitbulls attacking, etc.), plastic bullets won’t do the job.

    Deadly encounters can happen anywhere, not just in redlined “dangerous areas.” There is not yet a safe (for all parties) technical solution to stop dangerous suspects cold.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I wasn't suggesting a cop have only a pistol with plastic bullets and not a Taser, night stick, or other non-lethal weapons. I disagree about plastic bullets being insufficient to deal with most threats. Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don't think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?

    More generally, that there isn't a perfect technical solution is beside the point. The point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force, even if that involves slightly more risk to the cops.
    , @Jack D
    The problem is that there has been no serious attempt to balance the safety of the public with the safety of the cops. We have armed the cops with lethal weapons and given them broad license to use them whenever they feel "unsafe". Naturally the result has been cops shooting a lot of people, sometimes justly and sometimes not. This is a privilege we give to no other group. The cops see it as a fair exchange for the position society puts them in of being the front line responders with the worst dregs of society, but the truth is that police work is a sought after position and we could strike a better balance between protection of the public and the protection of the police and still fill the ranks.
  224. @PV van der Byl
    There really are such people as "Somali Bantus" but was not aware any had been admitted to the US. They live in what is geographically Somalia but are not closely related to ethnic Somalis. Almost all of them are descendants of Bantus (who generally live well west and south of Somalia) captured by Somali slave raiders generations or even centuries ago.

    You will not be shocked to learn that ethnic Somalis hold them in complete contempt.

    None of the Minneapolis Somalis who have recently appeared in photographs look like Bantus to me at all. And I grew up around Bantus.

    All I have seen, including "Officer" Noor, have classically Somali appearances.

    I’m not denying at all that there are Bantu Somalis. I’m just saying that, considering the many African countries already controlled by Bantu peoples, it makes no sense to “save” Bantu Somalis by flying them all the way to the USA. Same as Indoeuropean Andorrans, should they ever feel oppressed, could be resettled in such Indoeuropean countries as France or Spain.

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they’ve picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.

    • Replies: @Fredrik

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they’ve picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.
     
    I believe he was saying they aren't Somali Bantu. They are Somali.

    Somali Bantu live in Lewiston, ME
  225. @Dave Pinsen
    I mentioned this on Twitter, but maybe cops shouldn't be armed with lethal weapons for the first 5 years on the job. If they work in a dangerous enough area, pair them with a lethally-armed 5+ year veteran.

    If they need a 9mm to look the part, give them one and load it with plastic bullets. Granted those aren't non-lethal in all cases, but 40 year old blonde ladies would have a more sporting chance of surviving a plastic bullet.

    5 years interacting with the public is a better gauge of a cop's suitability to be armed with lethal weapons than any psychological test. Chances are, Mohamed Noor would have been off the force within 5 years, having racked up enough complaints.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Life imitates art.
    https://youtu.be/eP6UvNgbqIA
  226. @anonymous
    One important factor, if you take a typical low-IQ Somalian, and he takes a liking to "american black culture," you have retarded tomfuckery squared, spanning generations...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooGIgoiIaP8

    More generally, this is another problem with mass third world immigration that most economist types gloss over. Black underclass culture in the U.S. is pretty terrible, and when immigrants from poor countries come here, there’s a good chance that’s what their children are going to assimilate into. Jason DeParle’s article on 2nd generation (legal) Salvadoran immigrants is a must-read example of this: “Struggling to rise in suburbs where failing means fitting in”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Why don't (most) Asian immigrants assimilate into black underclass culture?

    My son had a friend in college who was pre-med, honors, blah, blah, blah (this was at a well known eastern university that rhymes with Transylvania). A very well spoken clean cut young man. He told met that his mother had arrived in this country not speaking a word of English (and with little education even in her own language) and somehow ended up in Colorado working in the basement of a restaurant packing takeout orders for below minimum wage with no tips. So far this sounds a lot like a lot of Salvadoran moms with kids who grow up to be gang-bangers. But this kid's mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student - why the difference?
  227. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Plastic bullets are too dangerous to be used as a common compliance tool (Tasers are far safer). And if the threat is perceived to be so dangerous that immediate incapacity is required (hostile suspect(s) with gun / charging with knife / ramming with car / pitbulls attacking, etc.), plastic bullets won’t do the job.

    Deadly encounters can happen anywhere, not just in redlined “dangerous areas.” There is not yet a safe (for all parties) technical solution to stop dangerous suspects cold.

    I wasn’t suggesting a cop have only a pistol with plastic bullets and not a Taser, night stick, or other non-lethal weapons. I disagree about plastic bullets being insufficient to deal with most threats. Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don’t think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?

    More generally, that there isn’t a perfect technical solution is beside the point. The point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force, even if that involves slightly more risk to the cops.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don’t think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?
     
    It’s possible, but unlikely. Real deal metal bullets have bounced off skulls well within otherwise deadly range. I particularly like this 2013 article from the SF Chronicle:

    A teenage boy who was shot dead in San Francisco this month was slain not by an enemy but by an accomplice in a street robbery, after a bullet fired at the victim ricocheted off his face, police said Friday.
     
    In the case of Michael Brown, Brown was already taking damage from .40-caliber rounds before the fatal ‘lucky’ head shot. (It’s unlikely Officer Wilson specifically aimed for Brown’s head, which was lowered forward because Brown was charging and/or stumbling due to injuries.)

    This demonstrates that even full power penetrating rounds at medium-close range may not be strong enough to instantly stop all threats. “Less lethal” methods in these cases means even more lethal to police (and bystanders/victims in the case of active shooters, etc.)

    I understand your humanist instinct to generally minimize harm to suspects, but any solutions should be realistic. Maybe the day will come when cops can set multi-shot long range “phasers to stun” but those haven’t been invented yet.

    If you’re interested, here’s the excellently detailed Wikipedia page on the watershed 1986 FBI Miami shootout which compelled police departments to upgrade their sidearms and ammo for increased deadliness:


    Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States.
     
    You wrote:

    More generally […] the point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force
     
    While I certainly agree that all cops should be well trained, and seasoned experience is best, it’s the situation that ultimately determines use of force, regardless of greenhorn status. This applies to civilians in deadly self-defense scenarios, too.

    The overarching truth about this whole farcical Noor scenario is that it would be best if the world comprised of far fewer borderline and full retards—and ffs don’t import more here.

    But like Steve says, “Whaddaya whaddaya?”

  228. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQBhUzEsO-Y

    Life imitates art.

  229. @International Jew
    Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the "Bantu Somalis".

    The Bantu, of course, are the pastoral people who, 2000 years ago, burst out of their West African homeland to conquer most of Subsaharan Africa. They are to Africa what the Indoeuropeans were to bronze age Europe.

    Saving Somali Bantus is thus analogous to saving Indoeuropean Andorrans! If they need saving at all, they certainly don't need to be flown halfway around the world to find kindred people.

    Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the “Bantu Somalis”.

    This is not true – I have worked with a refugee agency in East Africa, particularly in Kenya where a large number of them are processed for resettlement into other countries. While there are some “Bantu Somalis” among the refugees, most of them are non-Bantu. This is the same for refugees that got resettled in Europe as well.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Interesting. What claim to refugee-hood, then, do the non-Bantu Somalis have? And what are they doing in that Kenyan refugee camp?
  230. There are many gays vocally opposed to it. Milo. @broowster on Twitter. Myself. Wasn’t Pim Fortuyn gay? The trouble is many are deeply ensconced in the Democratic party, can’t let go of that fuzzy feeling.

  231. I’ve linked to this documentary before, made in 2004 by Darcus Howe (RIP), so forgive me for doing so again; however, it’s totally apposite and the whole thing is iSteve friendly.

    One interview clip in particular, at around the 25:04 mark, with a retired lady of
    West Indian extraction who has been terrorised by local Somalian “yoofs”, stands out:

    I hate the Somalian. They should go back to their country. The government should give them money and send them back to their country. They are war people. They don’t know about peace, they don’t know about love. They have no heart. To me, they’re animals.

    Wow, just wow.

    tl;dr this is what separate countries are for.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    P.J. O'Rourke liked Somalian women but couldn't stand Somali guys, even before they started getting into khat around 11am daily.
  232. @Charlie_U
    I've linked to this documentary before, made in 2004 by Darcus Howe (RIP), so forgive me for doing so again; however, it's totally apposite and the whole thing is iSteve friendly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06tTP7UxKc

    One interview clip in particular, at around the 25:04 mark, with a retired lady of
    West Indian extraction who has been terrorised by local Somalian "yoofs", stands out:

    I hate the Somalian. They should go back to their country. The government should give them money and send them back to their country. They are war people. They don't know about peace, they don't know about love. They have no heart. To me, they're animals.
     
    Wow, just wow.

    tl;dr this is what separate countries are for.

    P.J. O’Rourke liked Somalian women but couldn’t stand Somali guys, even before they started getting into khat around 11am daily.

    • Replies: @eddy wobegon
    Just a point of grammar, but forget the term "Somalian" in favor of "Somali". See:

    http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/the-correct-demonym-somali-or-somalian/

    It sounds gratuitously insulting at least to my ear.
    , @james wilson
    My brother spent quite some time in Cameroon. He said that a boy might be spared his fate if he were removed from the culture before the age of 12, but no later. The root of the culture is brutality, and although Cameroon has innumerable languages and identities of people, they share in brutality.
  233. @Alden
    Old Asian and other immigrants in San Francisco line up at the Glide Memorial Church food bank every week. They get as much as they can, give it to a relative waiting in a car and get right back in line.

    The free food ends up being sold in the immigrant convenience stores. Some Los Angeles community centers had past expiration date bread and pastry sales once or twice a week for people over 60. The old immigrants grabbed it all and the food was sold in their convenience stores.

    By that time it was about 10 days old. Health department stopped it although I'm sure it still goes on with the food banks.

    Those innocent nice Asian people? Dishonestly ripping off a welfare system and taking more than their fair share?

    I can scarcely believe such stories about them stealing blind every welfare and freebie system in the country (sarc sarc sarc)

    Wake up sheeple these people are not from Lake Wobegon

  234. @Fredrik
    The report from Sweden is that Somalis is among the worst of immigrant groups. Much worse than your typical Arab or Kurd. The thing is that with basically all the other common immigrant groups it's quite possible to find some that are relatively normal(and are working at the same office as yourself). Somalis not so much. The best of them seem to be busdrivers.

    They are only challenged for the title by gypsies.

    or the Hmong.

    Maybe we need a “Worst Immigrant of the Year” award.

    Let’s contact the MPLS mayor and see if she would be up for co-sponsoring a national competition and submitting some nominees (just in case any might come to her mind about right now).

  235. @whorefinder
    East Africans v. Sub-Saharan West Africans.

    Even Africans see West Africans as the worst. You can see this in the tensions between Caribbean-Africans who immigrate to the U.S. versus native-born, descendant of slave West-African-Americans. Caribbean-Africans are very color conscious, and constantly push their sons and daughters to marry lighter skinned folk. What's more, they often have more intact family units.

    That East Africans would have tension with out descendant of slave folks is unsurprising. It's like thinking that Italian immigrants and Irish immigrants in 19th Century America would have no problem integrating and would have no gang fighting on the basis of both being from the same continent and being white.

    These are separate peoples/ separate nations, people.

    Whorefinder,

    while I agree with the general thrust of your argument (West Africans being loathed and distrusted by East Africans), one intra-East African dividing line is worth adding.

    To wit, all non-Somali East Africans loathe, distrust, often hate the Somalis. Folks as different as the various Kenyan and Ethiopian peoples easily and readily agree on this point, and within religiously pretty evenly divided Ethiopia it’s not only the Orthodox Christians who hold this view, but also non-Somali Ethiopian Muslims.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Like with lighter skin, I'm betting that Slave-Americans will develop a system of complaining about "higher cheekbone" bias or a "higher cheekbone" caste system within the black community.

    East Africans, including Somalis, have higher cheekbones (re: more White and Yellow in cheekbone) than West Africans, and thus are objectively better looking than West Africans, leading to most darker-skinned "black" models being and/or looking East African rather than West African.

    As to Somalis being disliked, I have no opinion. After reading Black Hawk Down and its description of the nation at that time---especially how warlords had little loyalty to each other, and might try to kill you today and be your best friend tomorrow---as well as the Somali pirates of the recent years, the nation can't be doing too well even by African standards, and thus only the most wicked would thrive, and thus its inhabitants would naturally be viewed as rougher and more vile than most Africans.

    But I can't say beyond recent history what Somali's natural temperament might be, only that Slave-Americans will , as always, fall to the bottom of their new caste system, with the Somalis joining paper-bag-test-passing blacks at the top.(note how Obama, the east african, vaulted to the top of the black community)

  236. @Mr. Rational
    No, likely not.  But having friendly governors and attorneys general who make the gendarmes stand down and no-bill our side when it's OUR turn to go after our enemies is a huge advantage.

    I would argue that more obvious anti-white opposition we face the better as it wakes people up. This slow drip is killing us.

  237. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Having dealt with Somalis in the past my impression was that the women seemed to be rather mental. I surmised that it might be a result of their practice of female genital mutilation, the Somali version being amongst the most radical and extensive of them. They’ve all been mutilated like animals. It makes one wonder what is wrong with a group that commonly practices something like that.

  238. @eddy wobegon
    Diversity hire Somali cop kills pajama-clad lady.

    Diversity hire lesbian police chief fired for incompetence.

    Mayor nominates another diversity hire to appease black protesters, hoping the third time's the charm.

    Remember when our government promised that they would hire based only on ability and not on demographics?

    Institutions have learned that paying off special interest groups makes hiring into an asset.

    Affirmative action kills.

    This entire thread looks to be filled with people that don’t know a thing about Somali work habits. Where I am from they all seem to drive cabs, own convenience stores or own restaurants. Joe, how do you contribute to society? How do you make this world better? Are you simply a cog in a machine or are you making real waves?

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    "all"? So, you are married to a Somali, or you hang out with them when you aren't working, or you are a social worker who spends all day with them? The collective evidence on Somalis suggests you aren't getting a very good sample size.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    CM, I see plenty of American black people working hard where I live too, but I also see the big picture. As a whole, they are a big detriment to our society in many ways. However, at least they were not imported ( well, recently, anyway) to create problems that weren't even a factor some years back.

    Quit thinking inside your small world of YOUR taxi ride, YOUR meal the other day, and YOUR stop for beef jerky, nabs, and a coke. Look at the big picture, CM. Do you want your kids to grow up in a foreign and highly defective culture, even when you never left Minnesota? What happened to the white Minnesoti that used to drive that cab, or the decent white Minnesoti kids that used to work at the convenience stores up there? Been inside the big Lindbergh terminal at MSP. The concessions and janitorial staffs are made of maybe a couple of thousand Somalians; I'd have felt a lot more at home, whether they work hard or not, among thousands of white Minnesoti.

    Oh yeah, a big chunk of the ramp employees at MSP, yeah they service your airplane from the outside, are Somalians. Over 98 % of them are not up to any trouble, so it's only less than 2 % that might cause a problem one day - what kind of problem? Don't sweat it, we've got the TSA up in the entrances body-searching the white grannies and 2 year- olds. It's all under control, CM.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    BTW, was it worth it to taste that Somalian "fine cuisine" and get the runs for 3 days to prove you are a man (I'm not knocking the food - it was probably just that the cook is not acquainted with the whole "bathroom" concept, and doesn't care to be in the future), even though your state has already been changed beyond the recognition of anyone having grown up 20 years earlier than you?

    Are your kids and grandkids not going to be pretty pissed off when they read about the old days or see pictures of the old Minnesota at how you nice people screwed them out of a womderful childhood and decent life so that you could feel good about yourselves? Or, was it that you never learned the simple "sticks and stones" wisdom in kindergarten and were afraid of being called names? You won't be able to hide ALL of the old pictures and books of white Minnesota, you know that, right?

  239. @RadicalCenter
    Nice. But it's even more accurate to say, per the title of a book a few years ago, "Wir schaffen uns ab" (if I remember it right).

    Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany abolishes itself) by Thilo Sarrazin. Nobody has brought out an English translation.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany abolishes itself) by Thilo Sarrazin. Nobody has brought out an English translation.
     
    Here you go: Germany Does Away with Itself. Or did you want the whole book and not just the title?
  240. @utu
    Marriage among cousins is OK
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

    The effects of inbreeding are dealt with in a special Jewish Genetics Disease Center.
    http://icahn.mssm.edu/research/jewish-genetics

    The matter at bar was not if cousin marriages are prohibited as a matter of Jewish law , but whether they exist in practice in this community. They don’t. The Icahn Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases has nothing to do with contemporary cousin marriage, but with millenia old cousin marriage so to speak ,or the reproductive isolation of the Ashkenazi community. Ironically Cochran and Harpending contend that the IQ advantage of Ashkenazim goes hand in hand with the genetic disease load rather than the inbreeding causing great IQ drop as proposed by 3g4me.

  241. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Plastic bullets are too dangerous to be used as a common compliance tool (Tasers are far safer). And if the threat is perceived to be so dangerous that immediate incapacity is required (hostile suspect(s) with gun / charging with knife / ramming with car / pitbulls attacking, etc.), plastic bullets won’t do the job.

    Deadly encounters can happen anywhere, not just in redlined “dangerous areas.” There is not yet a safe (for all parties) technical solution to stop dangerous suspects cold.

    The problem is that there has been no serious attempt to balance the safety of the public with the safety of the cops. We have armed the cops with lethal weapons and given them broad license to use them whenever they feel “unsafe”. Naturally the result has been cops shooting a lot of people, sometimes justly and sometimes not. This is a privilege we give to no other group. The cops see it as a fair exchange for the position society puts them in of being the front line responders with the worst dregs of society, but the truth is that police work is a sought after position and we could strike a better balance between protection of the public and the protection of the police and still fill the ranks.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Logan
    Even adjusting for population size, violent crime rates, racial differences, etc. American cops kill a significant multiple of those killed by cops in various European countries. As in something like two/year in Germany and >1000/year in USA.

    Sadly, the whole issue got hijacked by the BLM types and made a racial issue, when the underlying issue doesn't have much of anything to do with race.

    Blacks are killed by cops at a rate 3.5x that at which whites are killed by them. This is considered proof positive of a war on blacks by cops.

    Meanwhile, men are killed by them at a rate 22x that at which women are killed, and nobody cares.

    Male Lives Matter!
  242. @TelfoedJohn
    Is there anywhere where Hmong and Somalis live together? (Bonus - Native Americans too). That would be something. But I would guess these people prefer to live around more successful types.

    The Twin Cities in Minnesota. Though it is Hmong in St. Paul and Somalis in Minneapolis. The Native Americans have an enclave in Minneapolis called Little Earth just south of the Somali concentration at Cedar-Riverside.

  243. @RadicalCenter
    Are you counting lawyers as "gainfully employed"? Serious question.

    “Are you counting lawyers as “gainfully employed”? Serious question.”

    If you mean is the structure of the practice of law in these United States a boon for society net net? The answer is of course ,Hell, No! However that doesn’t mean that any individual practicing law is not productively employed. ExYeshiva students for instance are not very commonly employed in litigation in general or ambulance chasing in particular (I’m not sure why actually but it’s so). Very few end up in criminal law either (few criminal defense, even fewer prosecutors). Perhaps just a general aversion to the seamier sides of life explains both of these? I would estimate the majority end up in real estate law practices or tax law. By contrast secular Jews are heavily represented in criminal law and litigation/a.c.

  244. @George
    "What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?"

    So far none, if you work for the government. The ability of these people to pay lavish pensions of retired mostly white civil servants on a long term basis should be suspect, but so far isn't.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    Influx of third world immigrants
    Increase in census numbers, but not voters
    Increase in federal funding.
    Increase in real estate taxes.
    Increase in government worker pay and numbers.
    Underfunding of pension plans.

    At some point, the underfunding of the pension plans will not be able to be corrected by taxing the third world peasants.

    That said there is a South Asian grocery store I shop at. The grocer's children are in dental school. To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are either extremely low rent, or unachievable (video game architect), or government. So there is definitely a problem in the legacy American 'community'. Unable solve that problem US leadership took a hail mary pass with immigration.

    To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are … unachievable (video game architect)

    That’s a poor example of the unachievable. In fact, software is the only growth industry, which everyone is encouraged to enter these days. Someone is writing the darn things.

  245. @Steve Sailer
    P.J. O'Rourke liked Somalian women but couldn't stand Somali guys, even before they started getting into khat around 11am daily.

    Just a point of grammar, but forget the term “Somalian” in favor of “Somali”. See:

    http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/the-correct-demonym-somali-or-somalian/

    It sounds gratuitously insulting at least to my ear.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I can't speak for the blogger, but I've been writing it that way on purpose just because it sounds a little more like English. Then again, I don't write of Myanmarians either; they're Burmese. I'm not Minnesota nice, so I don't care much about what people think of that.

    I think this grammar issue is the least of our problems with Somalians, but it would go away if they did.

  246. biz says:
    @Jack D

    Noor, 31, is the oldest of Mohamed Abass and Rahmo Ali’s ten children
     
    Why does he have a different surname than his parents? Is this some Somali custom?

    I know that among Muslim Arabs, and some Christians in the Arab world, it is common for a person’s last name to be their father’s first name, so children can have a different last name than their parents. Maybe Somalis do a similar thing, but even that wouldn’t explain Noor.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That's not quite the same thing as a surname. In both Arabic and Hebrew, one naming system was to call someone by a patronymic (Russian has this also and even many English surnames started out as patronymics - Johnson = John's son) Abdul bin (son of) Mohamed. In Hebrew it's ben instead of bin and Jews still use this naming system for religious purposes (Jews didn't traditionally use surnames until they were forced to do so by Western legal systems, sometimes as late as the Napoleonic era).

    Actually Arabic is unique because sometimes they do it the other way - if your eldest son is named Ibrahim they'll sometimes call you Abu Ibrahim - Abraham's father.

    Sometimes these Abu and bin type names get frozen into true surnames that remain stable from generation to generation such as bin Laden.

    But that doesn't sound like what was going on with Noor.
  247. @JimB
    All those good things in Minnesota like robust entitlement offerings and a large number of charitable organizations presuppose a robust northern European white majority to pay for it. We've already seen how the third world mass migration story plays out in late-20th century Michigan and Illinois. The white population collapses due to out-migration of business, skyrocketing crime rates, un-affordable family formation, and diversity government tax persecution. The public sector then implodes.

    Today, refugees and other migrants are being dumped directly into Minnesota's social safety net, where most will stay unto the umpteenth generation. Within a couple of decades the Great Lakes will be entirely ringed by third world no-go zones where everyone lives off Mark Zuckerberg's free money. Which will be just around the time Mark Zuckerberg begins to look like George Soros.

    Just a brief correction: of the many issues Michigan has, un-affordable family formation is not one of them. It has quite low median home prices.

  248. @Clyde
    Most Somalis get here as refugees under refugee resettlement programs. Refugees are allowed instant access to a panoply of state and Federal welfare programs. Now that they have their foothold here they will bring in more useless Somalis via immigration in addition to refugee programs.

    Large populations of Somalis in UK and Canada. .... like they have a gold card for entering and plopping themselves down in civilized Anglo sphere nations.

    Most of the assistance programs specifically for refugees have time limits: 90 days, 120 days, 2 years, 8 years, etc.

    Very complicated, and probably varies by state.

  249. @utu
    I would like to see a comparison between Amish and Haredim

    - criminality
    - Welfare payments community income
    - school voucher payments income
    - costs of DHS anti-terrorist security measures
    - tax payments

    How expensive/profitable are Amish, Haredim, Somalis per capita per year?

    I would like to see a comparison between Amish and Haredim

    - criminality

    Violent crime – almost nil by both groups
    Haredim commit more financial crimes – welfare/Medicare fraud, etc.
    As the Amish come into more contact with the broader world, there have been some arrests for drugs, etc. Also Amish have pre-modern notions about animal and child cruelty so there have been some arrests for the way they treat animals and children, etc.

    - Welfare payments community income

    Amish avoid any contact with government
    Haredim like to exploit the welfare system

    - school voucher payments income

    same as for welfare

    - costs of DHS anti-terrorist security measures

    nil for both groups

    - tax payments

    Amish do not pay into (or collect) social security. A large part of their lifestyle is outside the cash economy (work performed by family members, eating what they produce, etc.) and therefore untaxed.

    Many Haredi don’t hesitate to cheat on taxes if they think they can get away with it but some own large scale businesses where it’s impossible to avoid paying all taxes. High income individuals pay most of the taxes in the US – over half the tax collections come from the top 2.7% of returns filed. So probably on the whole they pay more taxes – you don’t read about a lot of Amish millionaires.

  250. @Jack D
    The problem is that there has been no serious attempt to balance the safety of the public with the safety of the cops. We have armed the cops with lethal weapons and given them broad license to use them whenever they feel "unsafe". Naturally the result has been cops shooting a lot of people, sometimes justly and sometimes not. This is a privilege we give to no other group. The cops see it as a fair exchange for the position society puts them in of being the front line responders with the worst dregs of society, but the truth is that police work is a sought after position and we could strike a better balance between protection of the public and the protection of the police and still fill the ranks.

    Even adjusting for population size, violent crime rates, racial differences, etc. American cops kill a significant multiple of those killed by cops in various European countries. As in something like two/year in Germany and >1000/year in USA.

    Sadly, the whole issue got hijacked by the BLM types and made a racial issue, when the underlying issue doesn’t have much of anything to do with race.

    Blacks are killed by cops at a rate 3.5x that at which whites are killed by them. This is considered proof positive of a war on blacks by cops.

    Meanwhile, men are killed by them at a rate 22x that at which women are killed, and nobody cares.

    Male Lives Matter!

  251. @Truth

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.
     
    No.

    In most African countries, there is roughly one university for every million people.

    How many African names do you see? How many Chinese and Indian?
    Houston has about 20,000 African immigrants, with a high share of crème de la crème Nigerians. Chinese are about 40,000. (Indians I don’t know.)
     
    Being a nerd is difficult when you play a sport at a good-enough level to get a scholarship.

    Heh. Truth is too dumb to see that this statement:

    Well, those are self-reported degrees from African universities, so take those claims with a grain of salt.

    is compatible with this statement:

    In most African countries, there is roughly one university for every million people.

  252. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Clearly OPA conveyed that there would be millions of necessary violent deaths. There may have been some hyperbole involved. ;)

    Let us hope that those who profited by bringing them here also experience the cleansing.

  253. @utu
    Marriage among cousins is OK
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

    The effects of inbreeding are dealt with in a special Jewish Genetics Disease Center.
    http://icahn.mssm.edu/research/jewish-genetics

    Pretty sure that Kaganovitch is familiar with the Jewish law concerning cousin marriage. Notwithstanding that it is permitted, it is (unlike in the Muslim community) nowadays rare to unheard of, even among the ultra-Orthodox. Just as with polygamy, Jewish views on such matters tend to reflect the views of the broader society (especially given that they are subject to criminal prosecution for breaking secular laws). Cousin marriage was once more common for Jews living in Arab lands, given that there was no secular taboo.

    The Orthodox are well aware of the issue of genetic diseases and Orthodox couples undergo genetic testing before marriage in order to insure that they are not both carriers of Tay-Sachs and other genetic diseases. These diseases are more a result of the fact that there was a small founding population rather than any recent inbreeding. Of course, for any group to have special characteristics (such as above average IQ) there has to be some level of inbreeding or else the group wouldn’t exist as a distinct group in the first place – see Steve’s notion that ethnic groups are just extended families writ large.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Pretty sure that Kaganovitch is familiar with the Jewish law concerning cousin marriage. Notwithstanding that it is permitted, it is (unlike in the Muslim community) nowadays rare to unheard of, even among the ultra-Orthodox.
     
    It's not unheard of in the Rio Grande Valley and Northeastern Mexico.
  254. @Buffalo Joe
    WR, the governor of NY's office proudly states that the average cost of educating a child in NY is $19000 plus, out spending every other state. We spend too much, but $9000 seems light.

    Joe, care to bet how many Somalis are SPED? That’s a much bigger ticket item; my town’s schools claim to spend an additional $25K for SPED students on top of the $18K average.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, my wife, who retired from our school district, tells me that "low functioning" SPED kids get a dedicated teacher's aide, so your statement is probably very true.
  255. @3g4me
    @113 Dave Pinsen: While a majority of Steve's commentariat is composed, unfortunately, of boomers, Jews, and various right liberals, they are still voters and still fairly engaged in the political and social issues of the day. They are also supplemented by not a few of us who are strongly Alt-Right and committed to the survival of White children and a future for the White race. For you to make a direct comparison between that demographic and a group of primarily Polish Jews who arrived post WWII and their descendants who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others, merely demonstrates unusual sensitivity to the issue at hand - in this case, the productivity/utility/civic-mindedness of Haredi Jews. As admitted even by Jack, most of them speak Yiddish as their primary language and have minimal, if any, study or knowledge about American history or Americans in general, and those who vote follow the orders of their rebbe.

    I thought you were a bit better than to play such a game.

    a group of primarily Polish Jews

    Not true. Many of the most ultra-Orthodox sects such as Satmar are Hungarian or Romanian (depending on where the border was/is) if only because Hitler did a much more thorough job on the Polish Jews.

    who arrived post WWII and their descendants

    true

    who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others,

    This part is not true at all – there was no tradition of even learned Jews not working for a living. Many of the most famous rabbis in history were known to have other occupations. Maimonides was a doctor, Rashi is thought to have been a winemaker, etc. While young scholars might have lived off of Jewish community support (we don’t expect students to work full time either) once you were married you (with the assistance of your wife, who often ran the business) were expected to be self-supporting and to have some occupation or business – shopkeeper, innkeeper, etc. Study of the Talmud was not supposed to be a full time occupation, except for a handful rabbis/teachers, not the whole community. Certainly government support of any kind was completely out of the question. Just as with blacks, the current f-ed up system is of relatively recent (post WWII) origin and not something that goes back a long time.

    So to the extent that the Haredi exploit the American (and Israeli) welfare system, I view this as the fault of the system, as is true with any welfare dependent group. If the bears are eating in local the garbage dump instead of out there doing what bears are supposed to do, this is the fault of the humans for not fencing the dump, not the bears.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "there was no tradition of even learned Jews not working for a living."

    Spinoza was a lens grinder.
  256. @res
    He is lowballing at least some of the numbers (e.g. that "conservative" health care estimate). For another example, spending per student in Minneapolis: http://www.startribune.com/billboard-shames-minneapolis-school-district-spending/290816491/

    It calculated the district's spending using a $21,000 allocation per student. But according to the Minnesota Department of Education, Minneapolis spent $14,131 per student in 2014. The state spent $11,011 per pupil. St. Paul spent more than Minneapolis at $14,302.
     

    “Spending per student” usually includes just the operating budget and omits capital investments in buildings, interest on bonds, and school employee pensions.

  257. @HunInTheSun
    Mohamed Abass and Rahmo Ali have ten surviving children because they have access to the modern medicine developed almost entirely in the Anglo-Germanic nations. There is no modern medical procedure, medical device or drug that was developed in Somalia by Somalians, not a single one, not of any kind, not of any description.

    The degree to which Somalians proliferate in Anglo-Germanic countries is the degree to which those countries lose the capacity to develop further advances in medical procedures, medical devices, and drugs.

    For the good of all humanity, the proliferation of Somalians in Anglo-Germanic nations must be curtailed.

    So modern medicine is exclusively Anglo-Germanic? What about the French, Swiss, Italians, Russians, Jews, etc?

  258. @Barnard
    High school graduation stats are meaningless, the only way our diversity loving school systems would refuse to graduate an African immigrant is if they stopped attending. Mohammed Noor had a college degree, do you think he is a good citizen? Also, if the cost is $250k a year and (best case scenario) it takes 22 years for a child to become an independent, contributing, college educated adult, that is a taxpayer cost of $5.5 million. Do you think that is sustainable?

    $250,000 a year for what?

    What did you eat growing up?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I usually read most or all of the comments before commenting myself. A bunch of comments included estimates of the amount of taxpayers' money spent. Look at my correction - I have no argument with the $1/4 or even 1/2 million, per family, just about the math in getting a total.

    The food is not the big item.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Sorry, your comment may have been a joke - OK, I like it.
  259. @Steve Sailer
    There are some Somali Bantu refugees. Who are they refugees from? The Somali Somalis.

    Basically, yes. But that seems also true of Sonali Somalis!

  260. @Anon
    Spot on. REAL historic Muslim societies incorporate homosexuality as a means of dealing with the problem of what to do with all those randy young males when women are essentially off limits (As in MOST traditional societies. Think: Athens... Dante's Beatrice ... Michael Corleone in Sicily), and expect them to eventually marry and settle down. Much better than our solution: imitate Negroes by establishing your "manliness" by fathering as many children with as many girls as soon as possible.

    ncorporate homosexuality as a means of dealing with the problem of what to do with all those randy young males when women are essentially off limits …Much better than our solution: imitate Negroes by establishing your “manliness” by fathering as many children with as many girls as soon as possible.

    Wait a minute, let me see if I am understanding this; the former is BETTER than the latter?

  261. @bomag

    If those “highly educated” African immigrants were the real thing, we’d see their American children performing at a high level.
     
    This is the thing. "Truth" et al aren't happy telling us that everyone is equal; they quickly move on to flog and pick the metrics so they can inform us that their kin are better than others by a large factor.

    We need to get out of their way to let them soar!, soar into the sky.

    All I did was paste someone else’s stats. You like the truth don’t you?

  262. @TWS
    Why even discuss it with truth? He thinks sub-Saharan Africans built the pyramids. Might as well discuss unicorns and leprechauns.
    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Assuming you can understand it, you might want to read the following before you rush away and proclaim how black Nubians were building Pyramids all those years ago:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996

    Populations inhabiting the North of the region showed close genetic affinities with North Africa, with a component that could be remnant of North Africans before the migrations of Arabs from Arabia.
     
    Ie, Berbers ...
    , @anonymous
    Wish I'd thought of that. Winning argument technique: the appeal to wikipedia.
  263. @Fabrice
    Maybe the nuttiest part of our already nutty refugee systen is that the specific Somalis we take in are from a supposedly oppressed minority group there known as the “Bantu Somalis”.

    This is not true - I have worked with a refugee agency in East Africa, particularly in Kenya where a large number of them are processed for resettlement into other countries. While there are some "Bantu Somalis" among the refugees, most of them are non-Bantu. This is the same for refugees that got resettled in Europe as well.

    Interesting. What claim to refugee-hood, then, do the non-Bantu Somalis have? And what are they doing in that Kenyan refugee camp?

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    There' been civil war in Somalia for a couple of decades. Everyone one the losing side is at risk.

    The fault lines are not so much as ethnic as tribal.
  264. Where is Noor’s indictment for murder? They tried that SC cop for shooting an actual suspect who actually fled. Where are this Somali pig’s charges for shooting a woman for calling 911?

  265. I’ve taken flak here before for saying this, but the welfare state really is a dysgenic civilization-buster, and can only exist in the most carefully controlled environment (e.g., Denmark). Whenever you are paying the least worthwhile citizens residents random people to breed, you are buying suicide.

    I say link welfare to depo-provera shots. And if you get pregnant on welfare, you are forced off of welfare until you get an abortion (and permanently banned if you don’t).

  266. @anonymous
    "No, honestly you don’t, or you shouldn’t if you are not insane. Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust."

    It's probably unfortunate that people act, and think, as if a revolution could never occur in the US. Thinking about that might make people more thoughtful. Once the just (who is that, exactly, anyway?) are being consumed, history is all too full of examples where they passed the point of caring about whether things were under control. After all, they are being consumed, so what do they have to lose? And that "control" may well be what is doing the consuming. One of the best things about western democratic government on a good day is that many small non-violent "revolutions" can occur. But it's not guaranteed.

    You need to understand that the US never had a true revolution. The American Revolution was really an anti-colonial rebellion, which is a different thing. George Washington owned Mt. Vernon before the Revolution and he owned it afterward (of course a few people who backed the colonial masters lost their property). True revolutions are not started by the richest men of the society. True revolutions (eg. French, Russian) are bloody affairs and rarely turn out well even for those who started them.

    As you say, the whole point of having democratic government is to provide some safety valve so that pressures can be relieved gradually rather than building up to the point where an explosion is inevitable. I think this is still working pretty well on the whole – 8 years of the Obama Administration were NOT followed by 8 years of the Hillary Administration.

  267. @Broski
    That's one of my favorite columns as well. I'm surprised at your apparent assertion that Taki is the writer.

    Yeah , you’re right it does say “by Takimag” . I guess it just didn’t register . Thanks .

  268. @Dave Pinsen
    More generally, this is another problem with mass third world immigration that most economist types gloss over. Black underclass culture in the U.S. is pretty terrible, and when immigrants from poor countries come here, there's a good chance that's what their children are going to assimilate into. Jason DeParle's article on 2nd generation (legal) Salvadoran immigrants is a must-read example of this: "Struggling to rise in suburbs where failing means fitting in".

    Why don’t (most) Asian immigrants assimilate into black underclass culture?

    My son had a friend in college who was pre-med, honors, blah, blah, blah (this was at a well known eastern university that rhymes with Transylvania). A very well spoken clean cut young man. He told met that his mother had arrived in this country not speaking a word of English (and with little education even in her own language) and somehow ended up in Colorado working in the basement of a restaurant packing takeout orders for below minimum wage with no tips. So far this sounds a lot like a lot of Salvadoran moms with kids who grow up to be gang-bangers. But this kid’s mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student – why the difference?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

    But this kid’s mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student – why the difference?
     
    Magic dirt only works for those who really, really believe in it.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    A key point DeParle's article makes is that the Salvadoran kids don't want to do their parents' menial jobs, but don't have the aptitude to do better. Asian immigrants (with the exceptions of low-performing groups like the Hmong) tend to have the aptitude to do better.
  269. Fuck whim. Gone for another month.

  270. @International Jew
    I'm not denying at all that there are Bantu Somalis. I'm just saying that, considering the many African countries already controlled by Bantu peoples, it makes no sense to "save" Bantu Somalis by flying them all the way to the USA. Same as Indoeuropean Andorrans, should they ever feel oppressed, could be resettled in such Indoeuropean countries as France or Spain.

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they've picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they’ve picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.

    I believe he was saying they aren’t Somali Bantu. They are Somali.

    Somali Bantu live in Lewiston, ME

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I was in Portland, ME this past weekend, and the city looks browner with every visit I've made over the past 5 years. Even the upscale hotels are employing maids with colorful towels on their heads!

    The upside is that you'll seldom see any in brewpubs.

  271. Thinking some more about Somalis I remember the discussion in here in Sweden a couple of years ago when it became apparent even to the most fanatical of open-borders types that the Somalis had failed.

    Then the discussion turned to the racism among Swedes. Why is it that Somalis can’t find jobs in Sweden when they did fine in the US? That’s what we were told. Of course some of you may now ask yourself where in the US the Somalis are doing fine but that’s not the point here. The point was that it was the Swede’s fault for not helping the Somalis enough.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Charles Krauthammer always insists that America does a great job of assimilating its Muslim immigrants, unlike Europe, which doesn't.

    At least that's what he was saying the last time I watched Fox News, which was shortly after the last election.
  272. @International Jew
    Interesting. What claim to refugee-hood, then, do the non-Bantu Somalis have? And what are they doing in that Kenyan refugee camp?

    There’ been civil war in Somalia for a couple of decades. Everyone one the losing side is at risk.

    The fault lines are not so much as ethnic as tribal.

  273. WPT says:

    Minnesota was the ONLY state that did not vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984. In 2016 it was one of only 2 mid western states that did not vote for Trump, the other was IL, i.e. Minnesotans are F’ed in the head. Minneapolis will be another Detroit or Chicago Southside in 20 years.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Their political attitudes may have much to do with their Scandinavian, particularly Swedish, ancestry. I cannot think of any region where pathological altruism is as common. There is much in the US, Canada, and in European countries (stronger north of the Alps than south, but still widespread). On a per capita basis, though, the Swedes must be world champions.
    , @kaganovitch
    Mondale was running against Reagan in 1984 and he was a native son, so no evidence Minn was demented 30 years ago.
  274. @Jack D
    Why don't (most) Asian immigrants assimilate into black underclass culture?

    My son had a friend in college who was pre-med, honors, blah, blah, blah (this was at a well known eastern university that rhymes with Transylvania). A very well spoken clean cut young man. He told met that his mother had arrived in this country not speaking a word of English (and with little education even in her own language) and somehow ended up in Colorado working in the basement of a restaurant packing takeout orders for below minimum wage with no tips. So far this sounds a lot like a lot of Salvadoran moms with kids who grow up to be gang-bangers. But this kid's mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student - why the difference?

    But this kid’s mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student – why the difference?

    Magic dirt only works for those who really, really believe in it.

  275. @Dave Pinsen

    Even if partially correct, given they consider the height of human achievement to be a lifetime haggling over every word of the Talmud and its commentaries, they will never have a productive job, join in any real sense an American community, or have any positive impact on the world.
     
    How is "haggling over every word of the Talmud" less productive than us haggling over each other's comments here on Unz.com?

    The gubmint ain’t paying me to comment. At worst, I’m guilty of posting on my consultee’s time.

  276. @Peripatetic commenter
    Now Noor's lawyer want to know if the nice white lady victim was on sleeping meds:

    Plunkett also wants a coroner’s report with an outside lab, saying “it would be nice to know if there were some Ambien in [Damond’s] system.”
     
    Seems weird ... maybe Noor was scared of the Zombie Apocalypse.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/20/justine-damond-friends-family-statement/

    Hmm… Was a full tox screen done on Noor after the incident? Sauce for the goose and all that.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Probably not.
    Most police departments who are subject to "collective bargaining" with their police officers specifically prohibit drug testing. This is part of their "union contract".
    Not only that, police officers engaged in questionable actions do not have to answer to investigators, as well as being given more time to "formulate their stories" (get their stories straight). This is Noor's strategy. This is also why he "lawyered up" and is trying to blame his "victim".
    If I had my way, police unions would be outlawed.
  277. @Steve Sailer
    There are some Somali Bantu refugees. Who are they refugees from? The Somali Somalis.

    A couple years ago, and my recollection is of a city in Ohio, there was a story with photos of a riot outside a government office that was set to apportion a couple hundred Section 8 housing for Somalis, but two thousand Somalis arrived to sign up. To my surprise they were all Bantus. Unmistakably. Noor is clearly not. So much to learn, so little time! I once assumed ethnic Somalis were more intelligent than their slave class. Alas, USG provides much clarity from experience I would not have thought to ask for.

  278. @res
    Hmm... Was a full tox screen done on Noor after the incident? Sauce for the goose and all that.

    Probably not.
    Most police departments who are subject to “collective bargaining” with their police officers specifically prohibit drug testing. This is part of their “union contract”.
    Not only that, police officers engaged in questionable actions do not have to answer to investigators, as well as being given more time to “formulate their stories” (get their stories straight). This is Noor’s strategy. This is also why he “lawyered up” and is trying to blame his “victim”.
    If I had my way, police unions would be outlawed.

  279. @Steve Sailer
    P.J. O'Rourke liked Somalian women but couldn't stand Somali guys, even before they started getting into khat around 11am daily.

    My brother spent quite some time in Cameroon. He said that a boy might be spared his fate if he were removed from the culture before the age of 12, but no later. The root of the culture is brutality, and although Cameroon has innumerable languages and identities of people, they share in brutality.

  280. @Truth
    They did:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids

    Assuming you can understand it, you might want to read the following before you rush away and proclaim how black Nubians were building Pyramids all those years ago:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996

    Populations inhabiting the North of the region showed close genetic affinities with North Africa, with a component that could be remnant of North Africans before the migrations of Arabs from Arabia.

    Ie, Berbers …

    • Replies: @Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-appearance-of-the-original-berbers-according-to-european-perceptions-by-dana-marniche/


    From your article:

    Here, we provide new insight into the genetic history of populations living in the Sudanese region of East Africa by analysing nine ethnic groups belonging to three African linguistic families: Niger-Kordofanian, Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic.
     
    What do these three groups have in common? They're black, yes.
  281. @WPT
    Minnesota was the ONLY state that did not vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984. In 2016 it was one of only 2 mid western states that did not vote for Trump, the other was IL, i.e. Minnesotans are F'ed in the head. Minneapolis will be another Detroit or Chicago Southside in 20 years.

    Their political attitudes may have much to do with their Scandinavian, particularly Swedish, ancestry. I cannot think of any region where pathological altruism is as common. There is much in the US, Canada, and in European countries (stronger north of the Alps than south, but still widespread). On a per capita basis, though, the Swedes must be world champions.

  282. @Truth
    They did:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids

    Wish I’d thought of that. Winning argument technique: the appeal to wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Truth
    https://www.cnet.com/news/study-wikipedia-as-accurate-as-britannica/
  283. @Fredrik

    If the Bantu Somalis look more Somali than Bantu to you, well, I guess they’ve picked up some local genes. Just like blond Lithuanian Jews.
     
    I believe he was saying they aren't Somali Bantu. They are Somali.

    Somali Bantu live in Lewiston, ME

    I was in Portland, ME this past weekend, and the city looks browner with every visit I’ve made over the past 5 years. Even the upscale hotels are employing maids with colorful towels on their heads!

    The upside is that you’ll seldom see any in brewpubs.

    • Replies: @Truth



    The upside is that you’ll seldom see any in brewpubs.
     
    Well, hey, Brutey; the other upside is that if you show your tall, slim, beautiful white girlfriend pictures of Samia Yusef Omar instead of Christiano Ronaldo, you should be getting all the bedroom time you desire...
  284. @Faraday's Bobcat
    Did you just say that you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?

    …you want millions of people to die unnecessary, violent deaths?

    Unnecessary? No. Violent? No. The rest is who/whom.

  285. Lot says:
    @Olorin
    I can tell you that this is precisely the kind of question that economists whisper about over beer or on the golf course...but would never in a thousand years actually try to answer.

    Any sane person with a working knowledge of economics or even basic bookkeeping/budgeting would ask this question.

    Any economist with a job would avoid it.

    It is one of the two most important questions of The Current Year, IMO, intertwined with my other pet one: who is organizing this people trafficking, and how are they economically profiting?

    I.e., an economic analysis of "refugee resettlement programs" is well overdue.

    Economists ignore huge and crucial issues by dismissing them as "externalities" or a non-quantifiable "social good."

    Fact is, they don't want to try to measure...because they know what they will find. Numbers be racist.

    We know what happened to Jason Richwine.

    As far as who is profiting from the actual smuggling, seems to just be random Arabs who get their hands on a boat that can make it a mile off the coast of Libya and then wait for an EU navy to tug it to Italy.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    That's just the first tier of profits.

    There are many billions more in the immigration "resettlement" industry.

    And many many billions more in "externalized costs."

    , @Olorin
    May be returning too late to this, but dug this out for you, Lot.

    https://gefira.org/en/2017/07/20/20362/

    http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1501141683408.webm
  286. Lot says:
    @George
    "What is the total social cost per typical Somali family of 12?"

    So far none, if you work for the government. The ability of these people to pay lavish pensions of retired mostly white civil servants on a long term basis should be suspect, but so far isn't.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    Influx of third world immigrants
    Increase in census numbers, but not voters
    Increase in federal funding.
    Increase in real estate taxes.
    Increase in government worker pay and numbers.
    Underfunding of pension plans.

    At some point, the underfunding of the pension plans will not be able to be corrected by taxing the third world peasants.

    That said there is a South Asian grocery store I shop at. The grocer's children are in dental school. To the extent I meet young white males, their career decisions are either extremely low rent, or unachievable (video game architect), or government. So there is definitely a problem in the legacy American 'community'. Unable solve that problem US leadership took a hail mary pass with immigration.

    Going into government work is not a bad idea for average white guys. The pay is better than the private sector when you factor in benefits and the fact you won’t ever be expected to work past 5, or else a LEO who makes 6 figures in much of the USA.

    Funny you mention video game design. This is one area of software that is still dominated by white guys because the pay is awful for complicated work. Video game testers around here make around minimum wage.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Going into government work is not a bad idea for average white guys. The pay is better than the private sector when you factor in benefits and the fact you won’t ever be expected to work past 5, or else a LEO who makes 6 figures in much of the USA.
     
    And when you figure in the job security all the way to a pension, both of which are no longer present in private-sector employment.
  287. @JimB
    All those good things in Minnesota like robust entitlement offerings and a large number of charitable organizations presuppose a robust northern European white majority to pay for it. We've already seen how the third world mass migration story plays out in late-20th century Michigan and Illinois. The white population collapses due to out-migration of business, skyrocketing crime rates, un-affordable family formation, and diversity government tax persecution. The public sector then implodes.

    Today, refugees and other migrants are being dumped directly into Minnesota's social safety net, where most will stay unto the umpteenth generation. Within a couple of decades the Great Lakes will be entirely ringed by third world no-go zones where everyone lives off Mark Zuckerberg's free money. Which will be just around the time Mark Zuckerberg begins to look like George Soros.

    It’s going to collapse. The sooner the better. However, if it takes until whites are 20% of the population, there is no coming back, not for another 500-1000 years.

  288. @Cerebral Meek
    This entire thread looks to be filled with people that don't know a thing about Somali work habits. Where I am from they all seem to drive cabs, own convenience stores or own restaurants. Joe, how do you contribute to society? How do you make this world better? Are you simply a cog in a machine or are you making real waves?

    “all”? So, you are married to a Somali, or you hang out with them when you aren’t working, or you are a social worker who spends all day with them? The collective evidence on Somalis suggests you aren’t getting a very good sample size.

  289. @Peripatetic commenter
    Assuming you can understand it, you might want to read the following before you rush away and proclaim how black Nubians were building Pyramids all those years ago:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09996

    Populations inhabiting the North of the region showed close genetic affinities with North Africa, with a component that could be remnant of North Africans before the migrations of Arabs from Arabia.
     
    Ie, Berbers ...

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-appearance-of-the-original-berbers-according-to-european-perceptions-by-dana-marniche/

    From your article:

    Here, we provide new insight into the genetic history of populations living in the Sudanese region of East Africa by analysing nine ethnic groups belonging to three African linguistic families: Niger-Kordofanian, Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic.

    What do these three groups have in common? They’re black, yes.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Truth, I hate to break it to you but "Rasta Livewire" isn't a reputable source.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    I've met some very black Indians (dot, not feather) and they are all, judging by their success in high tech, smarter than African Americans ...

    Also, you are looking at todays inhabitants.

    I recall a recent paper suggesting that the proportion of sub-Saharan genetic introgression has increased since the slaving raids by the Arabs etc.

  290. @anonymous
    Wish I'd thought of that. Winning argument technique: the appeal to wikipedia.
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica
     
    First, how accurate is Britannica these days?

    Also, Wikipedia has millions of articles, and the vast majority are of little controversy and thus less prone to sabotage or various correctnesses or dilettantism. Kind of like the Oscars and Grammys actually mean something in the many obscure categories that don't make the telecast.
  291. @Brutusale
    I was in Portland, ME this past weekend, and the city looks browner with every visit I've made over the past 5 years. Even the upscale hotels are employing maids with colorful towels on their heads!

    The upside is that you'll seldom see any in brewpubs.

    The upside is that you’ll seldom see any in brewpubs.

    Well, hey, Brutey; the other upside is that if you show your tall, slim, beautiful white girlfriend pictures of Samia Yusef Omar instead of Christiano Ronaldo, you should be getting all the bedroom time you desire…

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Neither of us are into black dudes, though he/she seems more of an it.

    It should have learned to swim.
  292. @Jack D
    a group of primarily Polish Jews

    Not true. Many of the most ultra-Orthodox sects such as Satmar are Hungarian or Romanian (depending on where the border was/is) if only because Hitler did a much more thorough job on the Polish Jews.


    who arrived post WWII and their descendants

    true

    who spend their lives precisely as their ancestors spent their lives, debating talmudic law while parasiting off the productivity of others in a country conceived, built, and maintained by others,

    This part is not true at all - there was no tradition of even learned Jews not working for a living. Many of the most famous rabbis in history were known to have other occupations. Maimonides was a doctor, Rashi is thought to have been a winemaker, etc. While young scholars might have lived off of Jewish community support (we don't expect students to work full time either) once you were married you (with the assistance of your wife, who often ran the business) were expected to be self-supporting and to have some occupation or business - shopkeeper, innkeeper, etc. Study of the Talmud was not supposed to be a full time occupation, except for a handful rabbis/teachers, not the whole community. Certainly government support of any kind was completely out of the question. Just as with blacks, the current f-ed up system is of relatively recent (post WWII) origin and not something that goes back a long time.

    So to the extent that the Haredi exploit the American (and Israeli) welfare system, I view this as the fault of the system, as is true with any welfare dependent group. If the bears are eating in local the garbage dump instead of out there doing what bears are supposed to do, this is the fault of the humans for not fencing the dump, not the bears.

    “there was no tradition of even learned Jews not working for a living.”

    Spinoza was a lens grinder.

  293. @Negrolphin Pool
    In the case of Somalis, I can total that up for you. It's zero.

    LOL. Yes, if pretty-white-lady-shooting Noor is the best they have to offer ….

  294. @Dave Pinsen
    I wasn't suggesting a cop have only a pistol with plastic bullets and not a Taser, night stick, or other non-lethal weapons. I disagree about plastic bullets being insufficient to deal with most threats. Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don't think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?

    More generally, that there isn't a perfect technical solution is beside the point. The point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force, even if that involves slightly more risk to the cops.

    Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don’t think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?

    It’s possible, but unlikely. Real deal metal bullets have bounced off skulls well within otherwise deadly range. I particularly like this 2013 article from the SF Chronicle:

    A teenage boy who was shot dead in San Francisco this month was slain not by an enemy but by an accomplice in a street robbery, after a bullet fired at the victim ricocheted off his face, police said Friday.

    In the case of Michael Brown, Brown was already taking damage from .40-caliber rounds before the fatal ‘lucky’ head shot. (It’s unlikely Officer Wilson specifically aimed for Brown’s head, which was lowered forward because Brown was charging and/or stumbling due to injuries.)

    This demonstrates that even full power penetrating rounds at medium-close range may not be strong enough to instantly stop all threats. “Less lethal” methods in these cases means even more lethal to police (and bystanders/victims in the case of active shooters, etc.)

    I understand your humanist instinct to generally minimize harm to suspects, but any solutions should be realistic. Maybe the day will come when cops can set multi-shot long range “phasers to stun” but those haven’t been invented yet.

    If you’re interested, here’s the excellently detailed Wikipedia page on the watershed 1986 FBI Miami shootout which compelled police departments to upgrade their sidearms and ammo for increased deadliness:

    Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States.

    You wrote:

    More generally […] the point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force

    While I certainly agree that all cops should be well trained, and seasoned experience is best, it’s the situation that ultimately determines use of force, regardless of greenhorn status. This applies to civilians in deadly self-defense scenarios, too.

    The overarching truth about this whole farcical Noor scenario is that it would be best if the world comprised of far fewer borderline and full retards—and ffs don’t import more here.

    But like Steve says, “Whaddaya whaddaya?”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    There was an incident a couple of years ago where four unarmed, vacationing Swedish cops broke up an assault by one homeless black guy on another on an NYC subway. Minnesota would be better off importing Swedes for its police force.
  295. @Lot
    We know what happened to Jason Richwine.

    As far as who is profiting from the actual smuggling, seems to just be random Arabs who get their hands on a boat that can make it a mile off the coast of Libya and then wait for an EU navy to tug it to Italy.

    That’s just the first tier of profits.

    There are many billions more in the immigration “resettlement” industry.

    And many many billions more in “externalized costs.”

  296. @eddy wobegon
    Just a point of grammar, but forget the term "Somalian" in favor of "Somali". See:

    http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/the-correct-demonym-somali-or-somalian/

    It sounds gratuitously insulting at least to my ear.

    I can’t speak for the blogger, but I’ve been writing it that way on purpose just because it sounds a little more like English. Then again, I don’t write of Myanmarians either; they’re Burmese. I’m not Minnesota nice, so I don’t care much about what people think of that.

    I think this grammar issue is the least of our problems with Somalians, but it would go away if they did.

  297. @Cerebral Meek
    This entire thread looks to be filled with people that don't know a thing about Somali work habits. Where I am from they all seem to drive cabs, own convenience stores or own restaurants. Joe, how do you contribute to society? How do you make this world better? Are you simply a cog in a machine or are you making real waves?

    CM, I see plenty of American black people working hard where I live too, but I also see the big picture. As a whole, they are a big detriment to our society in many ways. However, at least they were not imported ( well, recently, anyway) to create problems that weren’t even a factor some years back.

    Quit thinking inside your small world of YOUR taxi ride, YOUR meal the other day, and YOUR stop for beef jerky, nabs, and a coke. Look at the big picture, CM. Do you want your kids to grow up in a foreign and highly defective culture, even when you never left Minnesota? What happened to the white Minnesoti that used to drive that cab, or the decent white Minnesoti kids that used to work at the convenience stores up there? Been inside the big Lindbergh terminal at MSP. The concessions and janitorial staffs are made of maybe a couple of thousand Somalians; I’d have felt a lot more at home, whether they work hard or not, among thousands of white Minnesoti.

    Oh yeah, a big chunk of the ramp employees at MSP, yeah they service your airplane from the outside, are Somalians. Over 98 % of them are not up to any trouble, so it’s only less than 2 % that might cause a problem one day – what kind of problem? Don’t sweat it, we’ve got the TSA up in the entrances body-searching the white grannies and 2 year- olds. It’s all under control, CM.

  298. @Brutusale
    Joe, care to bet how many Somalis are SPED? That's a much bigger ticket item; my town's schools claim to spend an additional $25K for SPED students on top of the $18K average.

    Brutus, my wife, who retired from our school district, tells me that “low functioning” SPED kids get a dedicated teacher’s aide, so your statement is probably very true.

  299. @Jack D
    Why don't (most) Asian immigrants assimilate into black underclass culture?

    My son had a friend in college who was pre-med, honors, blah, blah, blah (this was at a well known eastern university that rhymes with Transylvania). A very well spoken clean cut young man. He told met that his mother had arrived in this country not speaking a word of English (and with little education even in her own language) and somehow ended up in Colorado working in the basement of a restaurant packing takeout orders for below minimum wage with no tips. So far this sounds a lot like a lot of Salvadoran moms with kids who grow up to be gang-bangers. But this kid's mom was Chinese and here he was the Ivy League pre-med student - why the difference?

    A key point DeParle’s article makes is that the Salvadoran kids don’t want to do their parents’ menial jobs, but don’t have the aptitude to do better. Asian immigrants (with the exceptions of low-performing groups like the Hmong) tend to have the aptitude to do better.

  300. @Cerebral Meek
    This entire thread looks to be filled with people that don't know a thing about Somali work habits. Where I am from they all seem to drive cabs, own convenience stores or own restaurants. Joe, how do you contribute to society? How do you make this world better? Are you simply a cog in a machine or are you making real waves?

    BTW, was it worth it to taste that Somalian “fine cuisine” and get the runs for 3 days to prove you are a man (I’m not knocking the food – it was probably just that the cook is not acquainted with the whole “bathroom” concept, and doesn’t care to be in the future), even though your state has already been changed beyond the recognition of anyone having grown up 20 years earlier than you?

    Are your kids and grandkids not going to be pretty pissed off when they read about the old days or see pictures of the old Minnesota at how you nice people screwed them out of a womderful childhood and decent life so that you could feel good about yourselves? Or, was it that you never learned the simple “sticks and stones” wisdom in kindergarten and were afraid of being called names? You won’t be able to hide ALL of the old pictures and books of white Minnesota, you know that, right?

  301. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Take, for example, Michael Brown charging at the cop. The shot that stopped him (and killed him) was to the top of his head. You don’t think a plastic bullet to the top of his head would have stopped him?
     
    It’s possible, but unlikely. Real deal metal bullets have bounced off skulls well within otherwise deadly range. I particularly like this 2013 article from the SF Chronicle:

    A teenage boy who was shot dead in San Francisco this month was slain not by an enemy but by an accomplice in a street robbery, after a bullet fired at the victim ricocheted off his face, police said Friday.
     
    In the case of Michael Brown, Brown was already taking damage from .40-caliber rounds before the fatal ‘lucky’ head shot. (It’s unlikely Officer Wilson specifically aimed for Brown’s head, which was lowered forward because Brown was charging and/or stumbling due to injuries.)

    This demonstrates that even full power penetrating rounds at medium-close range may not be strong enough to instantly stop all threats. “Less lethal” methods in these cases means even more lethal to police (and bystanders/victims in the case of active shooters, etc.)

    I understand your humanist instinct to generally minimize harm to suspects, but any solutions should be realistic. Maybe the day will come when cops can set multi-shot long range “phasers to stun” but those haven’t been invented yet.

    If you’re interested, here’s the excellently detailed Wikipedia page on the watershed 1986 FBI Miami shootout which compelled police departments to upgrade their sidearms and ammo for increased deadliness:


    Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States.
     
    You wrote:

    More generally […] the point is that cops ought to have more experience dealing with civilians without resorting to lethal force
     
    While I certainly agree that all cops should be well trained, and seasoned experience is best, it’s the situation that ultimately determines use of force, regardless of greenhorn status. This applies to civilians in deadly self-defense scenarios, too.

    The overarching truth about this whole farcical Noor scenario is that it would be best if the world comprised of far fewer borderline and full retards—and ffs don’t import more here.

    But like Steve says, “Whaddaya whaddaya?”

    There was an incident a couple of years ago where four unarmed, vacationing Swedish cops broke up an assault by one homeless black guy on another on an NYC subway. Minnesota would be better off importing Swedes for its police force.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Minnesota would be better off importing Swedes for its police force.
     
    Those guys did a good job, but I’m not impressed with on-duty Swedish cops:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aGhTH5l4fk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGiJl59Ldsk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24PCOMi3QAQ

    Maybe Sweden is like Brazil, where the off-duty cops seem to do all the work:

    https://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=off%20duty%20cop&sort_by=views
  302. @Truth
    $250,000 a year for what?

    What did you eat growing up?

    I usually read most or all of the comments before commenting myself. A bunch of comments included estimates of the amount of taxpayers’ money spent. Look at my correction – I have no argument with the $1/4 or even 1/2 million, per family, just about the math in getting a total.

    The food is not the big item.

  303. @Truth
    $250,000 a year for what?

    What did you eat growing up?

    Sorry, your comment may have been a joke – OK, I like it.

  304. @WPT
    Minnesota was the ONLY state that did not vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984. In 2016 it was one of only 2 mid western states that did not vote for Trump, the other was IL, i.e. Minnesotans are F'ed in the head. Minneapolis will be another Detroit or Chicago Southside in 20 years.

    Mondale was running against Reagan in 1984 and he was a native son, so no evidence Minn was demented 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Alice
    Wrong again. Mondale getting to that position at all shows how demented. But look at the bigger picture: Eugene McCarthy, Rudy Perpich, Adlai Stevenson, Paul Wellstone, Mark Dayton, Al Franken..not to mention Jesse Ventura. Humphrey was the last sane one.
    , @Hibernian
    The evidence is that they have the likes of Mondale as a favorite son.
  305. @Herzog
    Whorefinder,

    while I agree with the general thrust of your argument (West Africans being loathed and distrusted by East Africans), one intra-East African dividing line is worth adding.

    To wit, all non-Somali East Africans loathe, distrust, often hate the Somalis. Folks as different as the various Kenyan and Ethiopian peoples easily and readily agree on this point, and within religiously pretty evenly divided Ethiopia it's not only the Orthodox Christians who hold this view, but also non-Somali Ethiopian Muslims.

    Like with lighter skin, I’m betting that Slave-Americans will develop a system of complaining about “higher cheekbone” bias or a “higher cheekbone” caste system within the black community.

    East Africans, including Somalis, have higher cheekbones (re: more White and Yellow in cheekbone) than West Africans, and thus are objectively better looking than West Africans, leading to most darker-skinned “black” models being and/or looking East African rather than West African.

    As to Somalis being disliked, I have no opinion. After reading Black Hawk Down and its description of the nation at that time—especially how warlords had little loyalty to each other, and might try to kill you today and be your best friend tomorrow—as well as the Somali pirates of the recent years, the nation can’t be doing too well even by African standards, and thus only the most wicked would thrive, and thus its inhabitants would naturally be viewed as rougher and more vile than most Africans.

    But I can’t say beyond recent history what Somali’s natural temperament might be, only that Slave-Americans will , as always, fall to the bottom of their new caste system, with the Somalis joining paper-bag-test-passing blacks at the top.(note how Obama, the east african, vaulted to the top of the black community)

  306. @Dave Pinsen
    There was an incident a couple of years ago where four unarmed, vacationing Swedish cops broke up an assault by one homeless black guy on another on an NYC subway. Minnesota would be better off importing Swedes for its police force.

    Minnesota would be better off importing Swedes for its police force.

    Those guys did a good job, but I’m not impressed with on-duty Swedish cops:

    Maybe Sweden is like Brazil, where the off-duty cops seem to do all the work:

    https://www.liveleak.com/browse?q=off%20duty%20cop&sort_by=views

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    The problem is not with Swedish cops themselves. It is with the equivalent of their "rules of engagement." The rules imposed on them by their governments, particularly Social Democratic ones, are self-defeating.
  307. @RobertTaylor
    How much more enrichment will it take for Minnesota to turn red?

    Funny how GoodWhites flip when exposed to diversity.

    It’s getting close. Trump lost Minnesota by just a few % points.

    The key is to get popular, celebrity candidates – sports stars, actors, that sort of think. It can be some Libertarian Constitutionalist policy wonk.

  308. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Revolutions have a way of spinning out of control and consuming the just along with the unjust.
     
    If slavery or subjugation is the cost of inaction, then revolution is necessary.

    Death Before Dishonor.

    Of course, you can possibly make aliyah if things get too rambunctious stateside. No shame in that.

    It’ll be a long time before Israel is safer than the United States.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Old Palo Altan and Jack D were talking about a hypothetical future domestic American Götterdämmerung or Wilde Jagd.
  309. @Steve Sailer
    I played that golf course about two dozen times. Back in the 1980s it was the heart of yuppie Chicago.

    Haven’t played there yet. Closest I’ve got is Diversey Driving range about a mile away. I guess that’s a good thing. I’ve driven balls on the Jackson Park Driving Range and played on the 9 hole South Shore Cultural Center course. (It’s the former South Shore Country Club.) These two facilities, while nice and on the lakefront, are near some real high crime areas.

    The North Side lakefront, home of the Marovitz Golf Course and the Diversy Driving Range, has gotten steadily more solidly yuppieish since I first came to Chicago in 1976. A few more incidents like this could reverse the trend.

    In the 50s and early 60s, I’ve heard and read, it looked more likely that the North Side would go the way of the South Side than the other way around. That could happen again.

  310. @Hibernian
    It'll be a long time before Israel is safer than the United States.

    Old Palo Altan and Jack D were talking about a hypothetical future domestic American Götterdämmerung or Wilde Jagd.

  311. This odd phenomenon of mostly African American faces when searches are done for “American Inventors” shows up is almost all the search engines, despite the different algorithms.

    I think there is an easy alternate explanation to conspiracy theories about overly PC behavior by tech companies.

    Go to Google Trends and limit the search to the United States.

    Over the last 5 years, the trend index for “American Inventors” is between 95 and 100 each February. BLACK HISTORY MONTH when many students get assignments to write about black acheivers. By mid-March the index drops to around 15. When summer vacation comes, the index drops to 2.

    Google and most other indices rank search result relevance to a large extent by which entries get chosen.

    My simple explanation for this oddity: thousands of students look for someone to write about, and then they search through the pictures to determine who is black and thus a possibility for their essay. The pictures that get clicked on get defined as the best answers for the search, and these move to the top of the list.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks for this! iSteve has discussed "American Inventors" before (for example: http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-google-american-inventors/ ), but I think this Google Trends comparison plot is definitive evidence for your explanation.

    For additional fun, notice the spike in only "American Inventors" last September and compare it to the date of the linked iSteve post ; )
    , @Jack D
    I'm guessing that "American Inventors" is somehow picking up searches for "African American Inventors". In any case, no one assigns school reports anymore about "American Inventors" - that would result in a lot of reports about stale pale males s