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iSteve commenter Lot notes:
She was more plausibly 1/16 native when she was a cute young brunette:
If Senator Warren used the brunette dye and some sunlamp, she’d look a little like Princess Tiger Lily:
iSteve commenter Last Real Calvinist replies:
Yes, you’d think if you were perpetrating racial identity fraud, you’d try to look as much like a member of the race you’re claiming to be as possible. But Fauxcahontas couldn’t resist getting a trendy blond bleach-n-dye job as she aged — and keeping it, even through all the controversy over her identification as an American Indian.
This seems like a corollary to Steve’s first rule of female journalists.
After your hair has turned white/gray, it’s easier to dye it blonde because the natural roots don’t show as badly, so you don’t have to dye it quite as often. Still, it would make sense for her to dye her hair dark and get darker contact lenses to keep with her American Indian claim. But, I suspect, Senator Warren likes being a blue-eyed blonde.
“If I’ve only one life, let me live it as a President blonde:
First of all, this is sort of old news.
First of all this is sort of old news. And where’s the SOTU thread.
#SOTU #Antisemite Another line in Trump’s prepared text: “A second Holocaust survivor who is here tonight, Joshua Kaufman, was a prisoner at Dachau [Dah-kow] Concentration Camp.”
Yes, his aides fear he doesn’t know how to pronounce Dachau.
Now if we could just find a photo of her in war paint!
So the WaPo found this old registration card and ran the story. They are trying to winnow the potential democratic 2020 field to avoid a messy primary. It looks like they want Warren to remain a Senator. They are going to be promoting Kamala unless and until she self-destructs. Instead of the DNC tilting the scales for Hillary in 2016 primaries, the media will take over that job in 2020.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/02/05/elizabeth-warren-identified-native-american-her-state-bar-texas-registration/fevojNFJErrYPmNK5jR25J/story.html
Warren and her defenders have claimed that she did not use peace pipe to heap advance-um career, and was hired as white woman.
Regarding other recent political claims, Russian hackers were not available for comment.
“So what?” Seems to be standard Dem response. Same people who still don’t understand why we voted against the sleazier liar HRC.
Ted Kennedy proved a sleazy liar can rise to become Senator from Massachusetts, but cannot become a presidential nominee.
Tulsi Gabbard is a comer.
Take at look at the image of the registration card:
Printed on the card just before the filled-in declaration of race is the wording “The following information is for statistical purposes only and will not be disclosed to any person or organization [e.g., the Washington Post] without the express written consent of the attorney [i.e., Elizabeth Warren]”.
How was this information disclosed to WaPo? It must have been with the express written consent of Elizabeth Warren. If not, who blabbed? Any discloser who cannot produce Warren’s express written consent is in big, big trouble. The wronged party, Elizabeth Warren, can collect damages. And if she is media-savvy, she will hire the same lawyers who are suing on behalf of the “Covington Boys”, and will enlist the help of publicity expert Nathan Phillips as she goes on the warpath against the Bezos Bee.
And what was she smoking in the peace pipe that she did not use to advance her career? Her ascension could be due to the combustion of psychotropic hallucinogens. If so, we need to know what they were, and how she used them.
Just in case we want to know how to advance our careers.
FROM BRITT HUME’S TWITTER:
Quote of the day: Fmr SF mayor Willie Brown on the time he was dating Kamala Harris: “She loved me, I loved me. It was the perfect relationship.”
Is Kamala actually Black enough, though? I mean, she has no American slave ancestry and even her spouse isn’t Black.
Too bad we don’t have the paper trail where Obama pretended he was born in Kenya.
Such a shame. This will keep her from possibly becoming president. She’ll just have to settle for a senate seat for life. O’ the little outrages that are bestowed upon us!
Warren didn’t lie. She has the DNA, the family lore, and the appearance to prove she is American Indian.
Besides, she is as Native American as almost anyone. It Native Americans don’t deserve preferences in the United States, who does?
I can think of few things more disqualifying one for higher office than practicing in Austin.
Except for choosing to live there, which is so horrifying it’s redacted. With duct tape.
Haters going to hate.
Also Russian secret agents probably forged this they are that devious.
This is nothing compared to the vitriol that will flow when Bernie Sanders announces. They want to flail him and stake him out like the Comanches.
Doesn’t a dust jacket constitute a paper trail?
Being one of Willie Brown’s women probably covers that.
Warren would have to decide to burn her bridges to the Left to do that. If she sued the Post, they’d go after her if she ever ran for any sort of office again, and after watching the Post go after Trump, she knows how relentlessly they can hound someone.
Since Warren would probably like to stay a senator if she doesn’t get the presidency, she’s likely to try to stay on nice terms with the Post.
The one thing that catches my eye about the American Indian line is that it looks as if she intended to write just ‘American,’ and only added Indian as an afterthought, from the way it’s written over the next word.
Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian. But she is a native American, just like Steve, just like me, just like most readers here.
Had she used that language, she’d have a loophole. But nobody was that “woke” in 1986.
They were “hip”.
You’re just asking for a #MeToo moment with that one.
1) Why do they black out her birthdate? That’s kind of a matter of public record.
2) I didn’t know that Warren is not her maiden name. It’s also not her current husband’s name. It’s the surname of her first husband, whom she divorced over 40 years ago. She’s been married to husband #2, who presumably helped raise her 2 children, for over 38 years. That has to be pretty damn emasculating for a woman to marry you but keep the name of her first husband. For God’s sake take your second husband’s name or at least revert to your maiden name. I have a colleague whose second wife did the same thing. They are childless, and just went through a divorce. She fought like hell to take him for everything she could. The surname issue should have been an omen.
Obama had no slave ancestry, though his wife did.
Yes, his aides fear he doesn’t know how to pronounce Dachau.
Is there really a correct way for how a German name is pronounced in English?
Pops split when she was 7, I believe. Spent good portion of childhood in Montreal (on the good……perhaps even best) side of the tracks while Ma was researcher at McGill (??). I can assume she most definitely did not have anything approaching a typical Black upbringing. Except, of course, when it comes time for college, and she slides into Howard? Hmmmm.
Isn’t Pops still emeritus @ Stanford or something? Ma (who died 8 or 10 years ago) has a Wiki entry. Nothing about Pops. Anyone hear peep from the guy?
Either way, if she “identifies” as Black, that’s enough for the media, and most Dindus are too incurious to investigate.
Yeah, Obama’s Black wife added to his own Black bona-fides.
If Howard Schultz is serious about running as an independent, then it would make sense for virtue-signaling elite-controlled media to throw support behind Kamala, since she has the most diversity points and can reliably be expected to support the elite agenda, even if they expect that she will eventually implode or be destroyed by Trump, forcing Trump opponents to rally behind Schultz.
Yeah, possibly–though it does portray her in a bit of a humiliating light.
How much Native American DNA does she have, though? Less than 1%?
This would be similar to my great-great-great-grandchild claiming to be Jewish when they would be less than 1% Jewish (FTR, I’m at least 25% Jewish). I mean, it would be technically accurate, but they certainly won’t have that much Jewish ancestry.
Dos anybody think the alcoholic, drum-beating, AWOLing, lying Indian leftist will get in Warren’s face about her lying about being an Indian so she could get double affirmative action?
To a living constitutionalist, this shouldn’t matter since a living constitutionalist can plausibly argue that the Fifth Amendment implicitly repealed the natural-born citizen requirement for the U.S. Presidency:
https://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1287&context=lawreview
True, the Fifth Amendment wasn’t originally understood to do this, but then again, no one understood it to make segregation in Washington D.C. unconstitutional or to make federal affirmative action programs unconstitutional and yet the U.S. Supreme Court has previously used the Fifth Amendment for both of these purposes.
It shouldn’t matter; a living constitutionalist can argue that the Fifth Amendment implicitly repealed the natural-born citizen requirement for the U.S. Presidency:
https://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1287&context=lawreview
Elizabeth Warren is just an Honest Injun!
It proves that she was identifying as a Native American at least as early as 1986. Do you know a lot of white females who got hired onto the faculty at HLS with a University of Houston/Rutgers education? The fact that she got any professorship at all is laughable: she never clerked and had no substantial firm experience. The fact that she got on faculty at Harvard Law School of all places is an absurdity. Law is a very hierarchical and credential-driven profession.
I will give Warren the benefit of the doubt and say this: I suspect the “say you’re an Indian” idea was cooked by her second husband, and she went along with it in good faith. The flip side is that I wouldn’t be shocked if there are documents out there from the 60s/70s where Warren identified herself as white.
Does selling slaves not count?
husband #1 could really throw down in the bedroom. Husband #2 not so much…
It has occurred to me that Warren knew the Post had this information already, and had threatened her behind the scenes if she didn’t drop out of the race. I really, really, doubt the Post only just found out about this stuff when it was the most convenient time for them.
Anyway, I bet this is why Warren had recently done this whole stupid business about taking the DNA test and issuing the apology. She was trying to minimize the damage to her presidential run in case the Post was taking a bead on her for a kill shot. She was hoping the DNA test would back her up, and when it really didn’t, she tried the apology.
Boy, I wouldn’t be a leftist for any amount of money. They have no loyalty to their own side.
Obama was NOT born in Kenya.
He was most likely born in British Columbia, Canada, just across the border from Seattle, WA.
If you look closely at the card you will see that it does not say “Indian”. It says “landian”.
She is claiming to be an American Landian, an obviously false claim. The American Landians were a caucasoid group that migrated westward seizing land willy nilly. They were bold and quite unapologetic about it. Elizabeth Warren could never be a Landian.
Someone on another site said that Bezos is trying to get rid of Warren because her tax plan would hit him hard. I suppose that now that he’s just lost half his wealth to one woman, he’s suddenly very touchy about losing more of it because of another.
The notion that Obama was born in Kenya is far-fetched, but there are clearly some things about his provenence that he seemed keen to hide and which one may therefore reasonably suspect are hinky.
She was more plausibly 1/16 native when she was a cute young brunette:
No, he was born in Honolulu, which we stole from the Kingdom of Hawai’i, and have never rightfully owned. So on that technicality, he wasn’t born in the United States.
In the same fashion, Luis Gutierrez and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are rightfully subjects of King Philip VI of Spain, and thus also not qualified for public office in this country.
Why B.C.? If Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, he was almost certainly born in Seattle as his mom started at UW a few weeks later.
In any case this was the dumbest controversy\waste of time by the right in my memory. Regardless of where he was born Obama is an American citizen jus sanguinis by popping out of Stanley Ann, an American. It’s everything about Obama’s upbrining, his attitudes, his politics, his loyalties that is un-American. He’s a guy who clearly has the papers, but is not part of the American nation–a category that grows and grows each year.
‘They are going to be promoting Kamala unless and until she self-destructs. ‘
If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, is there a sound?
I’d guess Kamala Harris can’t self-destruct. She’s demonstrated she’s a good servant of Israel; if she does make a boo-boo, the media will cover it up.
Is Kamala actually Black enough, though? I mean, she has no American slave ancestry and even her spouse isn’t Black
Yes, but her spouse has slave ancestry from 3,000 years ago – at least if you’re going to allow a Hebrew blackface fantasy from the 2nd Millennium B.C. to qualify you for slave ancestry, that is.
It’s interesting that, if Kamala is elected president, neither of our two black presidents will have been descended from American slaves. Not only that, but Kamala herself will racially belong to the 2nd richest ethnic group in America (Indians) while being married into the first richest ethnic group (Jews), while having spent pretty much her entire life in one of the richest parts of the country (the Bay Area).
It’s almost as if her black ancestry is really just being used as a cover for a lot of the same old power interests that we are used to, while throwing in one of the newer power centers (rich Indians). Kamala basically reflects the old and new powers in the Democratic Party in her own person – blacks, Jews, Indians (or Asians in general), and Californians. Oh, plus the part about being childless and sleeping your way up the career ladder.
She just came out with a wealth tax, and thus put a giant target on her back. It’s the same deal with Bernie. They’ve been hitting him with the sexual harassment stuff from his previous campaign because of his economic populism. The liberal establishment wants someone like Harris who will be safe for the wealthy and be able to win an election with black, LGBTQ, etc. identity politics stuff.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/04/very-big-experiment-how-elizabeth-warren-would-try-forcing-billionaires-pay-her-wealth-tax
A certain blogger, June 2016
https://www.takimag.com/article/california_scheming_steve_sailer/2/
Native American 100%
American Indian <1%
Husband #1 did have the younger guy/first scratch thing going on.
Do you know a lot of white women at all who got hired onto the faculty of HLS in that era?
Maybe she was AA for white women.
In contrast to Republicans, amirite?
She only wants to nationalize all health insurance. Everybody gets crappy Medicare, and it becomes even crappier because everybody gets it. The very rich -$ 100 million and north – don’t care about abolishing private insurance, as they can afford to pay all of their medical costs out of pocket.
Maybe.
But these things are proxy arguments, as Mr.Anon above points out.
Trump fully embraced the meme and was elected president; I wonder if McCain and Romney noticed.
Yes, you’d think if you were perpetrating racial identity fraud, you’d try to look as much like a member of the race you’re claiming to be as possible. But Fauxcahontas couldn’t resist getting a trendy blond bleach-n-dye job as she aged — and keeping it, even through all the controversy over her identification as an American Indian.
This seems like a corollary to Steve’s first rule of female journalists.
Anyhow, I think it’s fair to say that we’ve turned the corner on how presidential elections in this country are won.
The press used to be the gatekeeper on who qualified as a serious presidential candidate. While you had occasional outliers (e.g., Ross Perot or Pat Buchanan in 1992) you basically had to have a “real” government job on your resume – senator, governor, vice-president, or a commanding general in a major war.
Historians will tell us we turned the corner in 2016 with the election of Trump, but really it was with Obama. He beat out his traditional opponents in 2008 with nothing more than a speech at the 2004 convention and a few useless years in the U.S. Senate. From here on out contenders for the White House will win by going straight to the voters through social media.
For better and for worse that means less having to please certain interest groups (at least before the election) and more red meat for the voters of either party. The Trumps, Harrises, Occasio-Cortez’s, etc are not going away.
(If memory serves, as Steve Sailer noted, while Obama’s test scores were likely high enough to warrant admission to a top-tier school, affirmative action probably played a pivotal role in his ascent up the slippery slope of a Harvard totem pole to the post of Editor of the Harvard Law Review)
OTOH Elizabeth Warren, who undoubtedly suffered heartbreak in her youth because of her obvious Amerind looks, now has
A Paper Trail of Tears.
See Also The National Lampoon’s “Trail of Tiers”
https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1152982
(the whole thing might be visible in pieces with Google’s “Images”)
It is the same with “Feinstein” whose husband’s name is Blum. Feinstein was a former husband.
I also know a woman who kept her first husband’s name even after she remarried. It supports my theory that these days the major criteria for women in deciding whether to take the husband’s name is whether it sounds cool or not.
Benatar does sound cooler than either Andrzejewski or Giraldo (Neil Giraldo, second husband, guitarist, and reputedly bejingled, i.e., packing major heat down there).
Benatar not only looks like Liza Minnelli, who she regards as a major influence, they have the same middle name.
Worse, perhaps this will embolden someone to resolve the greatest mystery in American politics: Obama’s grades and senior thesis.
Indeed, indeed.
Surely a woman could never think of anything so underhanded. Let’s blame a man in the vicinity.
I believe that’s typically reserved for Jews.
There was certainly some AA for women, but by that point the law schools themselves were admitting women and they would tend to pick their own.
It’s hard to convey to a non-legal person just how bizarre Warren’s resume is. If Wikipedia is to be believed, her only legal employment prior to getting an academic job was as a summer associate at Cadwalader. The closest analogy I can think of is somebody who worked as an assistant for a football program while an undergraduate, and immediately after graduation took a position as a Division I head coach.
CIA asset in college.
The real question, is when did she first say “ugh”?
OK, but doesn’t Warren’s success since then suggests that Penn and Harvard Law Schools made pretty good decisions in hiring her, odd as that might be?
Nice looking women (albeit not beautiful) like Warren and AOC have some career advantages. Similarly, Margaret Thatcher apparently stood out among 1950s parliamentarians for her looks. They weren’t the kind that appeal particularly to Americans, but I’ve noticed three right-of-center Brits — Alec Guinness, David Lean, and Kingsley Amis — talk about how striking her intensely English good looks were in the dreary decade of the 1950s.
Peter Cook and Dudley Moore’s Derek & Clive sketches.
CLIVE:
I’ll tell you what the, er, Cons-servative Party should do in the, er, next general election.
DEREK:
Yeah, go on then.
CLIVE:
I’ll tell you what would, er, really get the electorate going, if, is that, er, that Maggie Thatcher just flashed her tits about.
DEREK:
(chuckles)
CLIVE:
No, don’t laugh, ’cause, I mean, frankly they’re-, they’re firm, they’re hard and they’re-, they’re fucking beautiful.
DEREK:
Hm.
CLIVE:
I’ve never seen them but you can see from the, er, …..
DEREK:
(clears throat)
CLIVE:
….. you know, from the pictures in the papers and that are on television …..
DEREK:
Yeah.
CLIVE:
….. she’s got a lovely-, lovely pair of tits, and if she just flashed her tits, erm, ….. or, you know, if-, if she even gave a, y’know, just a brief tasteful glimpse of her vag, you know, …..
DEREK:
Yeah.
Colin Wright wrote:
Maybe her mom can help with that! Here is a quote from her mom from back when Kamala was running for SF DA:
Could be amusing if that starts getting spread around.
E.g., “Kamala Harris — elect a real Aryan as President!”
Of course, there is also the Willie Brown connection: e.g., “On top of every successful woman there lay a man!”
And then there is the fact that when she finally settled down she married a white guy, because, obviously, she could not find a black guy who she thought was good enough for her.
No, no, these are not my slogans! I didn’t even vote against her when she ran for Senate out here.
But the Dems play dirty in their primaries. Anyone want to bet how long it will be before number 3 or number 4’s campaign starts quietly spreading such memes (and, of course, blaming it all on Russian troll farms)?
She said she was an American Indian, the Chutzpah! Good for her if got some $ by scamming the system, I want her representing me. If the Texas bar does not like it maybe they should demand bona fides from applicants. The thing is that if in ’08, that’s 1908, Oklahoma and Indian Territories had become a nation state and not a state of the US of A her nationality would be Oklahoman and her ethnicity would he Cherokee. She might even speak Cherokee, the official language of what we call Oklahoma assuming they did not change the place names to properly Cherokee names. The flag of Oklahoma has an Indian drum on it, I think she’s an Indian.
Didn’t Trump try to pass himself off as a … Swede to avoid any connection to the Holocaust (and maybe Catholic Bavaria)? Why aren’t Scandinavian Americans shocked? Why are there no pictures of Trumpty Dumpty wearing a fur vest and a helmet with horns on it? Notice he said Swede and not Norweigan (Nazi Collaborators), which he might have some claim to from his very distant past on his mother’s side of the family.
Racial Slurs used against Swedes (Like ‘FauxSwede’ The Donald):
http://www.rsdb.org/race/swedes
I, too, think it’s odd that a woman would keep the name of her first husband after remarrying, but I can understand keeping the name if not remarrying, because it can be complicated financially (e.g., legally changing names on property deeds, etc.) and embarrassing professionally (e.g., broadcasting to everyone in your professional world that you went through a divorce). I plan to drop my ex-husband’s name after I retire.
Or it could depend upon your children. It’s better for all concerned to have the last name of your children.
As fun as it is to call her Fauxacontas (or Pocahontas, as our cognitively-challenged president calls her), especially given how it triggers SJWs, it’s worth noting that the fact that the corporate media is reporting this means that they’re determined to attempt to derail her political ambitions (if not her career entirely), and it’s worth asking why they are doing this.
It depends on the name, obviously.
English doesn’t really have the German “ch” sound, and a “k” sound is the closest approximation.
The choice of the evil former Labor Secretary Robert Reich to pronounce his name with a “sh” sound is utterly inexcusable.
Wow, that’s a dated video. I feel absolutely ancient for having been born in the same decade that video came out
I’ve always supposed that the Kenya thing doesn’t matter one way or the other, legally speaking. By virtue of his indisputably American mother, he’s a “natural-born”–which is to say not in need of being naturalized–citizen.
That said, I also suppose there’s likely something fishy back in there.
A) Elizabeth Warren does not even remotely look Amerindian.
B) Photos of Women in Warpaint and War Headress is extremely offensive to Amerindians.
liz warren is a hero to me because she helped subvert the anti-white racial preferences system…I did the same thing she did…but the rest of you Dissident Right white males are too cowardly to do real activism
I was kind of skimming the comments, but this comment here is leading to what I wanted to mention: Granted, I’ve not kept up, but until I saw this (hopefully, authentic) Texas Bar Registration card, I’d have thought that Mrs. Warren had called herself “Native American”, or really, I imagined her checking a box, not filling in a blank with this!
That DOES take a lot of gall. It’s one thing to check a box – “oh, maybe I screwed up” or even write in “Native American” to make a point “I was born here, so I’m as native as the next
guy, err squaw”. However to just write in this directly is something I wouldn’t a good lawyer would do – they usually want to make sure they have plausible deniability.In fact, isn’t there a class for 3rd year law students at the Ivie’s called Plausible Deniability?
“Hey, how’d you do in Houseman’s P.D. class? Our guy was a bastard on the grading.” “Oh, OK, I may have possibly gotten the grade needed to enable my graduation in due time.”
Remember that scene in American Crime Story: People vs OJ Simpson where Chris Darden tells a neighbor that OJ didn’t help the community and wasn’t very black?
The man replied, “He’s being chased by the cops. He’s black now.”
I suspect it will be similar with Harris. She identifies as black and is a Democrat. I reckon that’s enough for black voters. But if some whitey goes on tv and dares question her blackness, or if the media catches some redneck jagoff using slurs when talking about her, she’ll definitely be black enough.
Call me old fashioned but I would not marry a woman who was hesitant to take my name.
Yes I know in Spanish and Latin American and other cultures wives don’t, yada yada yada but I’m an anglophone, we do things different.
It’s close, but I mean something in his handwriting. It is excused by saying it was his literary agent. Pretty improbable as that is.
Howard Schultz is lots more palatable as President than any Democrat who has declared they are running and the usual suspects who have not yet declared like Beta-Beto. The Democrat field is truly a field of lefty kook-a-delics who are inspired by Ocasio Cortez. And Kams is running after just two years as a US Senator? Laughable. Obviously she sees an opening for a female who is two minorities. Perhaps the Hindus here will donate generously to Kams.
I followed the whole Obama-Birther thing. I never thought he was born in Kenya. But I sure thought there is something fishy and embarrassing on his birth certificate. And maybe, maybe, perhaps his Kenyan father is not his actual father.
Also my take is that he was not a natural born citizen as required to be President. Same applies to Kams and doubly so, due to neither parent being a citizen when Kams was hatched. Kams spent most of her childhood in Canada where her mother moved to for a job at a university.
I don’t believe he was born there, I think he said he was born there.
Got to figure one way AA works in an academic environment is that it is considered positive, if you come from a different place. I knew a Nigerian whose father went to MIT. If the apple didn’t fall far from the tree, he wasn’t bright enough to get in on his own merit.
You misunderstood me. I think Obama was playing the AA game too, by making himself into a black African, instead of a suburban mulatto. Africans used to be worth more than American blacks, definitely more than mulattoes.
One super-fishy thing about Obama’s early days is that his mom Stanley, shortly after giving birth to him wherever at the age of 18, is a student in Seattle, while her parents and “husband” are still back in Hawaii. Only after the “husband” leaves Hawaii does she go back, after about a year and a half in Seattle. It’s almost as though Hawaii was not big enough for both her and her “husband” to live there at the same time. But after the “husband” leaves, then she goes back, probably so that her parents can help take care of baby Barack.
Obama described the relationship between his parents as “an improbable love”. Improbable? Yes. Love??? Sure doesn’t look like there was much love.
Keeping her first husband’s name was undoubtedly done so that she and their children would have the same last name.
@Daniel H @Tiny Duck.
As Catholic priests need to study Latin to celebrate a traditional Mass, the proper observance of Holocaustianity requires at least a semester or two of Berlitz immersion in German.
I haven’t followed details of the Fauxahontas story–no desire. But i hadn’t previously seen any proof she’d signed a legal document claiming to be Native.
The shocking thing about the Warren fiasco: this whole thing wasn’t terminal–granted my opinion– until she released her DNA. It’s not her past lying, but her handling of it, which was terrible.
Warren should have just apologized in a PC manner:
“I grew up with the understanding that my great-grandmother was a Native American. And I always took pride in being part Native, a descendant of our brave and resilient Native ancestors who had made America their home down through generations from time immemorial. But despite that pride, i never should have presented myself as a Native America, without being connected to a tribal culture and community. Doing so was a denial of the lived experience of Native communities. And i apologize for doing so.
“I remain proud of my part of Native ancestry. But i will not present myself as Native American. Rather as i work to improve the lives of Americans generally, i will work specifically with Native American leaders for the betterment of their communities and improving the lives of all Native people.”
Something to that effect.
Instead she blundered on with it, releasing DNA showing her to be a fraud. She comes across as stupid, tone-deaf, vain and her attachment to being Native like a dog with a bone.
Her candidacy, her very presence raises an issue–Affirmative Action and who really should be getting it–that is fraught for the coalition of the fringes, ergo that the Democrats do *not* want to have front and center.
And she can be dismissed with one quip:
“We don’t need a white woman who lied to take the place of a person of color, we need to focus on taking on the lies of Donald Trump and providing a better vision for the people of America.”
Eh, maybe. I don’t think it really matters that much anymore. People are used to divorced and remarried mothers by now.
The notion of marrying a woman who keeps the name of her first husband would be a bridge too far for me, even if she has kids. Perhaps especially if she has young kids, since you will inevitably be helping her raise them.
I knew another guy who had the same thing happen to him. His wife kept her first husband’s surname. She had no kids from the first marriage. She finally got around to taking his surname…right around the time she decided to drop out of the labor market and let him support her. That one ended in an ugly divorce, too.
If a woman doesn’t get (or doesn’t care) how that could make her new husband feel then she’s not worth marrying. Elizabeth Warren’s political beliefs are the kind that have been emasculating (alt-righters would say cucking) men for decades, so it shouldn’t be all that surprising.
This is called a “leak”. Leakers are rarely punished and those who publish leaks never are. Top secret material gets leaked all the time so this is small beer compared to national security secrets. Never believe what the government tells you anyway.
Maybe she thinks dying her hair dark to cover the gray would be the Indian version of black face. (Black scalp?) No, I don’t believe that. Just pondering her possible excuse for the social transgression which she will never be called to task for.
Turns out it wasn’t a fraud. She has DNA testing to prove it.
In academia, once you start to publish you don’t want to change your name because people know you by that name professionally and search for your articles under that name. My SIL is an academic and she kept her 1st husband’s name for the same reason. Your name becomes your brand name and you don’t change your brand name lightly.
I can’t bear to watch Trump–always too much disappointment.
But seriously, not one by two holocaust survivors? For a tragedy that was in the other hemisphere, and that America shedding blood and treasure put a complete stop to in 1945–now 74 years ago!
If you’re going to trot out a holocaust survivor, at least follow him with Nick Sandmann. Nick’s treatment actually has something to do with America and is going on right now.
Trump should have called out Nick and then nailed three points:
— a lazy, incompetent and agenda driven press; they don’t even try to fact check, do not even have the desire to get the story right if it plays to their biases; in fact, they’ll twist stories to make them fit; bonus for calling out appalling reporting on Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown;
— “hate hoaxes”, the continual flow of these hate hoax lies and the ravenous demand for them; and how they are being used by the Democrats to stoke their base; the most important thing is to repeatedly say “hate hoax”, get the words out there for discussion
— and the rising tide of insane, barking-mad, ravenous hatred of flyover country white guys; point out the contempt and hatred of the coastal elites for their fellow Americans–their “coastal cocoon of bias, hate and lies”
Do law professors typically have extensive experience practicing law prior to taking jobs as law professors?
Is he though? For purposes of qualifying to be president under the Constituition?
Uh, being of American Indian descent is a question of ancestry not “cultural” practice. The DNA test vindicates Warren.
She didn’t lie.
Any thoughts about retaining a hyphenated last name? I know of a woman who adopted a hyphenated last name (maiden name first, husband’s name second), retained it after the divorce, and retained it when she remarried. She is fairly prominent, but it would have been a simple matter to drop the hyphenated part.
I agree entirely with you as regards BO’s obvious status as a US citizen by virtue of his birth. However, what still intrigues me is the desperate lengths to which BO and his supporters have gone in order to obfuscate and hide the details of his birth and prevent any investigation of his full birth record. The newly elected governor of Hawaii, a long-time political ally of BO, announced that one of his first acts as governor would be to obtain and publish BO’s full birth certificate and thus end the “birther” controversy. Several months later, when called on his promise, the governor announced that his administration was having trouble finding BO’s birth records.
My doctoral research gave me some expertise regarding the US birth registration system as did a stint as an actuarial trainee. The goverbor’s lame excuse raised red flags for me as did BO’s release on the internet of an obviously photo-shopped long birth certificate a few months later. The MSM utterly ignored these events except to argue that the fake long birth certificate proved definitively that “birthers” were deluded conspiracy theorists. Something is fishy here but I doubt that the truth will come out in my lifetime.
I enjoyed the SOTU, the DEMs looked completely stunned at the indestructibility of Trump:
This guy seems to be going for the American Indian look. Not sure he’s eligible to be President,
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Strangely, I’m somewhat encouraged to hear this. It seems to be an example of the completely and absurdly overwrought bludgeoning with outdated symbolism that occurs shortly before the whole zeitgeist reaches its expiration date.
I neither watched the speech nor read about it afterwards, so this is all news to me.
Is she a … goer?
You can’t say too much that truly goes off of the oligarch-friendly narrative, so I’II just point out that while Trump placates his male base with WWF digs at Pocahontas, his neoliberal policies back up Warren, a woman who, like Trump, favors the full array of pay-per-birth monthly welfare that covers the major bills of millions of female workers, child tax credit cash rewards up to $6,431 and above-firing absenteeism privileges, including adding paid family leave, making it possible for womb-productive women with unearned income to—as Trump pointed out without mentioning the nature of the new jobs—dominate the jobs of the part-time, low-wage, temp-gig economy. America has a part-time workforce of citizens and noncitizens whose average number of hours worked per week is only 34. Half of all “employed” citizens and noncitizens work even fewer part-time hours.
ABC News has Warren trailing Trump in the Totem polls. (or is that the token polls?)
Trump is brilliant in that he gets his opponents so riled up that they score own goals. The DNA thing was supposed to be a counter to Trump’s assertion that Warren was NOT Native American. In the way of thinking of her campaign (it was stupid, but this is what they were thinking), they would prove that Warren DID have Native American DNA and therefore “Trump is lying.” The first announcements, which the NY Times went along with, had headlines like “DNA tests prove that Warren is Native American” as if 1/1024th was the same thing as 100%. They might have gotten past attacks from the Right, but then she was blindsided from her Left, with Native American pronouncements that being an Indian has nothing to do with DNA. Leftists never know what to do when they are attacked from the Left.
F. A. Hayek commented after meeting Thatcher she was the most beautiful creature he had ever seen. He was ~ 75 and she was ~ 45.
Maybe she reminded him of his mother?
Maybe it’s supposed to remind SJWs that the National Socialists were, um, Socialists.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nationalsozialistische_Deutsche_Arbeiterpartei
Who deserves preferences? Nature generally doesn’t reward the conquered but here we are. Native American is a misnomer as anyone born here is a native American. They are however the FIRST Americans. What does that bestow? I guess it depends if you want uniformity in preferences? Should white Europeans get preferences in Europe?
Her is Liz Warren in her suburban hausfrau stage:
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And here she is as Heap Big American Indian Law Professor:
Apparently black shoe polish on your face to make you look like a Negro is a no-no but black shoe polish in your hair to make you look like an Indian is A-OK.
Or it was. I have the feeling that the invisible line has been crossed and being a hetero white woman in the Democrat Party is soon going to be almost as toxic as being a white male. In order to cross the bar of minimum diversity required for a Presidential candidate you will have to be a bona-fide mixed race person like Kamalasutra or Occasional Cortex. No 1/1024th Indians need apply.
Warren suddenly feels like an old Hillary retread. Another woman of 1,000 hairstyles. I realize that women’s hairstyles (and clothing styles) change more than men, but I have the feeling that these women really have no core and so they put on and discard whole identities as casually as others change clothes. From photo 1 to photo 2, not just her hair color and clothes have changed, but her facial expression, from friendly mommy to “Comrade, we are not amused” Commissar/ Future Madame Mao.
It always amazes me when people assume full one blonde (and even blonde) hair is the real thing in adults.
Trump has always used the SOTU to appear moderate to the broad American public and give a professionally written speech that is appealing to a national audience. It is not a partisan occasion on which to score political points (save that for the campaign rallies) but one in which to tell shaggy dog stories. It really can’t be red meat politics 24/7 even if that’s how it is to the Democrats. When they make YOU President, you can give a speech about Covington but Trump knows what he is doing.
Covington was last week’s story anyway – even at peak Covington it was inside baseball for political partisans and never really registered on most people and by now (an eternity in politics) it’s past its sell by date.
I thought that Trump made a good point, even if it is not the point that isolationists want to hear – America is really a force for good in the world. Maybe we are a little clumsy like an awkward oversized teenager who accidentally knocks over your table lamps when he comes to visit but when the Americans come to your country they are there as liberators and not exploiters. You could argue that it’s not America’s job to mete out ass whuppings to the world but not that the people whose asses are getting whupped by America don’t deserve it, in spades.
Yup, yet another example of liberal women being oppressed.
Good point. I hear Trump and often hear confusion and fog. My math-physics-CS brain wants some solid logical work done, or at least some good political jabs for Team America.
But he does somehow seem to get these people to go nuts and that results in them doing nutty stuff.
If, if. If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a trolley car (old Yiddish proverb).
If in some counterfactual history where Oklahoma became an independent country, chances are they would have at some point expelled if not massacred Pale Faces like Warren.
Trump’s father used to lie about being Swedish because being German was not such a hot thing as a builder in Brooklyn and Queens in the 1940s with a mostly Jewish home buyer/ tenant base. He might have repeated this story to young Donald who would have had no reason to question it.
But the question–or what should be the question for a patriotic president–is does this move the ball forward for the American people.
In other words, the President should be moderate when moderation is called for and passionate and political where that is called for.
The Sandmann thing is not the most important thing on the agenda, but calling out media lying and partisanship is something that would serve both Trump and the nation well. (Honest reporting of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown for instance would have saved a lot of lives.) Likewise calling out the growing hate YT. Trump doesn’t have to go book lenght or devote much time to any of this but they are worth a mention. This stuff would bing his constituents to him and wake up a few more white people and bring them on side. Trump needs that to win. And if he believes his Presidency is doing the right thing by the nation, then the nation needs that as well.
I think the #1 thing right now–and unavoidably critical for Trump because of the shutdown–is pointing out that people/politicians who do not want a secure border are for Open Borders. It’s definitional now. You can have an unguarded border if there is no significant effort to cross it. Once you have what’s been going on the last 50 years, that’s not tenable. And once you have caravans forming up, it’s an absolutely fraudulent position. It’s partisan but Trump simply must call the Democrats out as OpenBorders loonies to win this thing.
That’s the bottom line here. Moderate may be great … or not. But the bottom line is “best approach for the future of the American nation”. And these are not moderate times, and Trump’s enemies are not moderate people.
Which as a proposition is patently false. Warren came out on top of this, as any fair-minded person can see.
Trump should have invited young smirking Sandmann, the lying old Indian sage and the demented Black Israelite over tea at the White House. For a teachable moment, Obama-style.
Maybe the WaPo didn’t just find it, without plenty of help. The question is, who dropped the dime on Warren?
It is indeed interesting that so many critics of the regime of racial preferences for non-Whites have their dander up about a woman with White ancestry receiving some benefits.
It is truthful to state that she has American Indian ancestry. It would be untruthful to claim she has none.
She would be subversive if she opposed them politically but took advantage of them personally. Instead she is happy to let other whites suffer harm from them while illegitimately claiming them for herself.
If Warren were a conervative Republican this issue would have been dropped long ago. All she would have to say is that she lied to undermine a system she despises. The Left wouldn’t bring it up because a) voters hate racial preferences, and b) it would show how easy they are to undermine.
Oh and, for the record, i started undermining them years ago. When we aplied for our last mortgage we claimed to be black and Hispanic. I claim to be Native American at work.
The issue is whether he was eligible to be president.
Yes, if life was fair, science would trump mystical mumbo jumbo and we would call out Indians and tell them that being Indian IS (at least partly) a matter of DNA. But life ain’t fair and now Liz Warren is probably not going to be POTUS because of this. Too bad, so sad.
Or, maybe karma is a bitch and Warren tempted karma by saying that being 1/1,024th Indian is exactly the same as being fully Indian (“DNA tests prove that Liz Warren is Native American” – those were the headlines put out by the Leftist propaganda machine), which any fair minded person could see is not true .
They were going to spring this unfair gotcha on Trump:
https://www.sharethefacts.co/share/9deb5fb6-0b3c-4400-bf85-b3db35de43ba
But she didn’t end up getting bitten by that. Instead she got sideswiped by the Indian tribes. So the end result was fair even if it came about for the wrong reasons.
Palestinians should get preferences in Israel.
“The DNA test vindicates Warren”
How so? Her test showed zero percent match for any North American native ancestry.
It doesn’t matter anyways. She’ll never be the nominee.
“She didn’t lie”
Yes she did. If some person had family lore of a distant black ancestor and then filled out that same line African American, they would be lying.
She lied. Stop white knighting for this woman.
So there is no interest as to why a…person…who “just gave birth” looks so thin?
It’s the same issue – if he was a natural born American citizen then he was eligible to be President.
Has the Supreme Court ruled that a “natural born citizen” for purposes of the presidential requirement includes someone born abroad of an American parent?
I think the father is either Frank Marshall Davis, or Malcolm X in some sort of Rosemary’s baby type scenario. Malcolm’s lawyer was interviewed as saying he helped get Obama into Harvard Law School at the request of a Middle Eastern big wig.
Her nose looks faiirly flat. Anything else in the genetic woodpile?
Yes. It was called “bastardy” in 1961.
It’s amusing that the leaked copy of the registration card blurs out Warren’s home address, where she undoubtedly hasn’t lived in 30 years, and her date of birth, which is a matter of public record (June 22, 1949).
Speaking of politicians’ former houses, Trump’s childhood home in Queens is for sale at $2.9 million. That’s probably pretty close to being the market value of a house of that type in its area, in other words there’s not much of a premium.
Seriously – while I understand the need to go hard for Trump next year, and I intend to of course, we reallyy REALLY need to be grooming successors who can push forward a true conservative agenda without carrying any more goddamned water for Israel. For every lovable mummy with faded number tattoos on his forearm to remind us a big election is coming!, we have 10,000 Rahm Emanuels and Beau Friedlanders salting the earth surrounding white families, so that nothing may once again grow and bloom.
If all we’ve got to stop them with is one mercurial billionaire, followed by the return of 10,000 Paul Ryans and their corporate donors, beaming magnanimously as Things Return To Normal, then all of this agita of the last three years has just been whistling past the graveyard and off the cliff’s edge. Even David had a frickin’ slingshot, at least!
Clearing the decks for Kamala?
I suspect this will have little impact on Warren’s chances, since there aren’t enough American Indians to swing an election. The Left views Indians more as historical curios validating the evils of the white man than as voting constituents. It may have some impact in the primaries, though, where POC-ascendant hopefuls will use it against her.
On a related note, it looks like Steve’s proposal to rebrand the Dems as the “black party” is finally starting to take hold–a recent Rolling Stone article states that black women are the “heart of the Democratic Party.” https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/
As they say regarding a litmus test for legally blonde, the collar must match the cuffs.
The choice of the evil former Labor Secretary Robert Reich to pronounce his name with a “sh” sound is utterly inexcusable.
While I hold no brief for the execrable Mr Reich, not only is it excusable, it is correct. The guttural “CH” sound in German ( like Scottish “loch”) is reserved for ” CH” that follows a,o or u. Other “CH” sounds like Reich are very similar to “sh”.
Kamala’s father, Donald J. Harris, wrote an article for a Jamaican diaspora website last month titled “Reflections of a Jamaican Father”. (LINK) Donald’s paternal grandmother was a descendant of a plantation and slave owner. Unlike the US, I believe that the coloured (biracial) children of white Jamaican slave owners were free at birth. In 1833, free black and coloureds owned 70,000 of Jamaicans 311,000 slaves. Coloured slave owners born out of wedlock were often left substantial property and slaves by their white fathers. (LINK)
Donald Harris says that he fought for custody of children but lost in a 1972 California court-ordered divorce settlement. As we all know, it was his ex-wife who left the country with the children.
I have heard that Kamala Harris’s current memoir does not mention her childhood in Canada, from ages 7 to 18.
There is a recent picture in Donald’s article of him with his granddaughter Meena and “her aunt Kamala”.
Many blacks on social media are reacting negatively to Kamala Harris’s bid for the White House and some are telling others to not to vote for her. Their arguments aren’t always the most coherent, but they tend to mention her incarcerating black men under California’s three strikes law during her time as attorney general, her being biracial with no US ancestry (another Obama), and her white husband.
A good Trump campaign slogan would be, “Trump has given black men jobs, Harris has put black men in prison.”
False. The test showed she had at least one American Indian ancestor.
Why don’t you think she’ll be the nominee? Who do you think could get it instead?
Family lore regarding ancestry is a reasonable basis for belief in such ancestry. That credibilty only rises when we take into account her Oklahoma origins and her family’s long pedigree in the United States.
In the final analysis, the family lore was corroborated by a DNA test.
I suppose you think she is really a man in keeping with your bizarre tranny obsession.
There is no interest in the things you think are interesting because the stupid things that stupid people like you believe are not interesting.
I’ve always noted Warren’s cuteness, even in recent photos. I’m just and admirer of that type, though in her case the oft-maligned pug nose is carried a bit too far.
“America shedding blood and treasure put a complete stop to in 1945”
The Holocaust was already over by 1945. Nearly all Jews in the shrinking German area of control were dead by late 1944. Hungarian Jews were the last big group, the Polish ones were all dead by then.
The US entry in 1941 optimisticly might have saved 2% compared to the pre-war policy of supporting Britain and Russia.
Is that true?
https://www.google.com/search?q=realm+in+german&oq=realm+in+ger&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.3913j1j4&client=ms-android-virgin-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Warren when brunette looked a little like Linda Ronstadt, whom I presume is a small fraction Amerindian through her Mexican side.
Yes, if you listen to the pronunciation carefully, it is closest to English “sh”.
being in Black face for 5 minutes will ruin your career. Being in Red Face for 40 years will advance your career. As far back as 1984 Elizabeth Warren was publicly calling herself a Cherokee when she contributed to the Pow Wow Chow cookbook with plagiarized recipes….was this cultural appropriation ? No it was ethnic fraud perpetuated to gain work at Ivy league Law schools as a minority professor.
While NO entry by the US and Britain into aggression against Germany may have resulted in survivorship of 100%.
Close is only in horse shoes.
Well, the Arkansas State Bar could really use a guy like you, #222. Did you see the card up top, or did you withhold that from the jury? See it says: Race:__________________ Chief Warren filled that in with “Native American”. If that’s her race, then I’ll put “Bonobo with a touch of various other apes” next time, to be just as truthful.
I rest my case, Your Honor.
I wouldn’t kick her out of the sweat lodge, I’ll tell you what.
That is the truth though. She believed it at the time and she has the family history and DNA test to prove it now.
What I’m saying, #120 (and I sure wish I could tell it was the same commenter) is that she is, what 1/1024 Indian, or what have you. That is not her race, and what she believed at the time doesn’t make it the truth. If we go by one drop, then we can all claim all sort of stuff. AA for all – level the playing field!
No we cannot. It’s much, much more bounded than that. Few can show family history or a DNA test. Warren has both.
In this case, the family history is heresay. That’s why Chief Warren took that DNA test – it’s not like she had some grandma or great-grandpa she could trot out or show pictures of. That 0.1% means it goes VERY far back. As to the DNA test, do you not read anything from our host here, Steve Sailer? Ancestry is like a hobby to him.
Most of us have a number in the fractions of a percent of either Indian, African, or something could get us lots of gimmes. That’s why Sailer has noted a number of times that it’s interesting that white people do not trot out that stuff, but are honest about it in racial categorization, I mean, except for people like Warren, of the nations of the upper Massachusetts. Mr. Sailer compares our situation to Brazil, in which the amount of black ancestry is very well kept track of and used to classify people.
BTW, let me state two tihngs here:
1) I have no problem wih an American checking a box for “Native American”. They can come up with new terms if they want, but, if you were born here, you are as native as the next guy.
2) I have respect for the 20 year-ago Elizabeth Warren who wrote The Two-Income Trap. I’m no lefty. That book describes the “scam” (you might almost call it) of the push of the feminists along with plenty of others (gov’ts for tax collection, etc.) for women to work outside the home. It may has well have been written by Phyllis Schlafley. Warren’s part of the hard-Socialist left now, so making fun of her Indian-heritage lying/stupidity is a good thing.
Many interesting points in your post but on this point, again, you aren’t making your case. If you have DNA that is American Indian or African, or you have a credible family tree showing such, it isn’t “dishonest” to state you have American Indian or African ancestry. In fact, it would be dishonest to state otherwise.
You are unwittingly falling prey to efforts to discriminate against anyone with a fraction of White ancestry.
Win the battle, lose the war.
What if a white person who had 1/1024 African ancestry tried to pass himself off as black for AA goodies? I don’t think he would get very far.
I’m not sure what you point is. Are you trying to state a descriptive proposition or a normative one? What does this have to do with Warren?
Arguably someone with 1/1024 black American slave ancestry and of 1023/1024 white founder stock has a stronger claim to resources and preferences in this country than the offspring of a Kenyan national.
It seems pretty clear that Warren held herself out as an American Indian for professional advancement when in fact she is not Indian at all. I doubt very much she would have gotten to Harvard as an ordinary white person.