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From The Forward:

ADL Gets Lesser Role In Starbucks Diversity Training After Controversy
April 27, 2018 By JTA

Nikki Casey

(JTA) — The Anti-Defamation League is no longer taking a leading role in next month’s diversity training at Starbucks stores across the United States, serving instead in an consulting role.

Initially, the group’s CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt, was one of four civil rights leaders tapped to develop the coffee giant’s all-day anti-bias training next month across its 8,000 U.S. locations. The training was announced following outrage at the arrest of two black men waiting to start a meeting at a Philadelphia Starbucks store.

The other three civil rights leaders — Sherrilyn Ifill of the NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund, Bryan Stevenson of the Equal Justice Initiative and Heather McGhee off the liberal think tank Demos — will still be leading the training.

Good to go

But Starbucks announced in a Wednesday press release that the ADL will now be one of “a diverse array of organizations and civil rights experts” that Starbucks will consult. Other groups in the consulting role include those combating anti-Muslim, anti-LGBT and anti-Latino bigotry.

Kicked to the curb

Starbucks did not specify why Greenblatt is no longer among the originally named experts.

This is just a crazy thought, but maybe it has something to do with Greenblatt not being black?

Greenblatt’s original role was criticized by left wing activists — and they claimed victory.

“The demotion of the ADL from a leadership role is a clear reflection of the recognition by a wide variety of social justice organizations and individuals that the ADL’s status as a civil rights organization is compromised given its history and practices of anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Black racism,” Rebecca Vilkomerson, JVP’s executive director, said in the press release.

Here’s a leaked copy of the speech Greenblatt was planning to deliver to all Starbucks workers:

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.” I have a dream that one day, Jewish-Americans will be free — free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, we are free at last — to sit down at a Starbucks lunch counter and order an Iced Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte.

 
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    It’s gonna be a really fun day when the Chosen decide the schwartzers have priced themselves right out of the market.

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  2. Gunner says:

    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.

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    • Replies: @njguy73

    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.
     
    Dunkin' Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.
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  3. Big deal, they only have 4 hours anyway, and after you subtract out vente latte and piss breaks …

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    It's not a big deal; it's a venti deal.
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  4. Sounds like the social justice market has reached “Peak Jew”

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  5. songbird says:

    ADL should be led by Ethiopian Jews. Then they wouldn’t have problems like this.

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  6. Jews and Starbucks?

    Kessman was one of six freshmen suspended from practice Thursday night for a violation of team rules. BYU did not disclose the nature of the violations, and players and coaches are not made available to the media after Wednesday’s practice.

    “Ryan has expressed his desire to leave BYU, and we have granted his release and wish him well,” BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall said in a statement released by the program.

    Kessman’s father, Steven, said his son was suspended for drinking a vanilla cappuccino, breaking curfew and missing a weightlifting workout.

    In accordance with the BYU Honor Code, students must abstain from possessing, serving or consuming alcohol, tobacco, tea or coffee. Kessman is Jewish, but his father said he understood the rules before arriving at BYU.

    “He knew going in what the Honor Code system was, but just didn’t think it was that bad,” Steven Kessman said. “So he went to Starbucks with his girlfriend and she wanted something to drink.”

    http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sports/ci_7028219

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    He missed out by foregoing a cigar with his cappucino. Adding tobacco consumption to his sins against the LDS may have gotten him expelled.
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  7. @Achmed E. Newman
    Big deal, they only have 4 hours anyway, and after you subtract out vente latte and piss breaks ...

    It’s not a big deal; it’s a venti deal.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Any Starbucks patron would know that it's a trenta deal.
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  8. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    If this training day is going to consist of speeches and hectoring from “civil rights leaders of color” then it’s going to be a complete waste of time.

    What the employees need is a clear explanation of the rules that they are supposed to follow and some specific examples and role playing related to those rules.

    What the hell are the rules and policies? For example: Is the rule that someone who comes into a store and asks to use the toilet should be refused? Or is it that white people should be refused and not black people? Or is there a patter that should be used to discourage use of the toilet, but if someone insists you let them use it? Should the homeless be allowed to use the toilet? Does it depend on their smell or visible level of filth? If they are in the toilet for a long time, what is the procedure? When should the police be called? In short, how the hell can I do my job properly and not end up out of work all of a sudden because I was following what I thought were the rules and it went viral on Twitter.

    Other topics: How to react when black people are obviously testing and probing and trying to provoke you? What do you do when smart phone video is being taken? To what extent do you have to stand in front of a video camera and be humiliated for posterity in order to keep your minimum wage job? Will specific rules and policies be worked out and will the rules be availble in printed and signage form for distribution to customers? To what extent is my job at risk if I honestly try to enforce the rules laid down by Starbucks, but it ends up creating a viral controversy? If someone comes in and takes a table and doesn’t order anything, what should be done? Does it depend on how crowded it is or what time it is? How, specifically? Does it depend on the perceived race of the customer? Is there an amount of time beyond which they should not be allowed to stay? To what extent are the minimum wage staff expected to personally deal with the situation, and at what point is it O.K. to call the police without risk of being fired?

    My feeling is that despite a month of preparation, the training day will simply be virtue signaling, a lot of verbiage that Starbucks doesn’t mind leaking out, and no addressing of the hard questions of how to deal with on-the-ground scenarios.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once. It was not a SJW affair in the slightest. Rather it was half an hour of "keep your paws off your underlings, we don't want to be sued, we will fire you if you expose us to a lawsuit" then another half hour of careful explanations on what types of co-workers are allowed to date. The people doing the training didn't make any sort of anti-male statement or even try to defend the rules they were explaining.
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  9. TheBoom says:

    ADL has doubled down too many times and has gone off the reservation. The ADL and SPLC were supposed to just condemn whites and further the destruction of white societies. Now they are arching wrong thinking Muslims and Jews (who don’t blindly adhere to the narratives) and sometimes even blacks and that wasn’t dosed too happen

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    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    The ADL has been condemning the SPLC lately.

    Is this because the ADL is an honorable organization and doesn't want to be associated with the slime of the SPLC? Or is it because the SPLC is cutting into their donor base?

    When there are multiple possibilities, the correct answer is some combination of the possibilities.

    I think that comes from linear algebra.
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  10. Luke Lea says:

    My first reaction was negative, but now it makes more sense. It’s not easy being a black in America, whereas being Jewish (or rather Ashkenazi) is often an advantage.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "It’s not easy being a black in America"

    Yeah, but that doesn't stop a few million whiggers from trying.
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  11. @TheBoom
    ADL has doubled down too many times and has gone off the reservation. The ADL and SPLC were supposed to just condemn whites and further the destruction of white societies. Now they are arching wrong thinking Muslims and Jews (who don't blindly adhere to the narratives) and sometimes even blacks and that wasn't dosed too happen

    The ADL has been condemning the SPLC lately.

    Is this because the ADL is an honorable organization and doesn’t want to be associated with the slime of the SPLC? Or is it because the SPLC is cutting into their donor base?

    When there are multiple possibilities, the correct answer is some combination of the possibilities.

    I think that comes from linear algebra.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    When there are multiple possibilities, the correct answer is some combination of the possibilities.

    Petyr Baelish: Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, "How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?"

    This approach would be appropriate when considering the actions of the SPLC or ADL.
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  12. Tiny Duck says:

    And they are happy with the j creased commitment to diversity

    Seriously what planet do you guys live on?

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  14. This is actually a pretty big smackdown for the ADL. I don’t agree with the far left on much, but this — giddyup.

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    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Not long until the coalition of the diverse, that they've invited, realizes they no longer need the Jews as spokesmen / vanguard of the vibrant revolution.

    Once ejected from that coalition maybe they'll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.
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  15. Wilkey says:

    What’s the appropriate response of an employee to all this? How about a mass sick out? If half of their employees call out sick – or even 20% – is there any real retaliation the company can make? Or would it be better just to show up to this with earplugs in your ears?

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  16. “An consulting role”

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  17. G Pinfold says:

    In fairness to the ADL, shouldn’t they get a royalty for supplying the curriculum.

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  18. @Paleo Liberal
    The ADL has been condemning the SPLC lately.

    Is this because the ADL is an honorable organization and doesn't want to be associated with the slime of the SPLC? Or is it because the SPLC is cutting into their donor base?

    When there are multiple possibilities, the correct answer is some combination of the possibilities.

    I think that comes from linear algebra.

    When there are multiple possibilities, the correct answer is some combination of the possibilities.

    Petyr Baelish: Sometimes when I try to understand a person’s motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What’s the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, “How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?”

    This approach would be appropriate when considering the actions of the SPLC or ADL.

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  19. @Bragadocious
    This is actually a pretty big smackdown for the ADL. I don't agree with the far left on much, but this -- giddyup.

    Not long until the coalition of the diverse, that they’ve invited, realizes they no longer need the Jews as spokesmen / vanguard of the vibrant revolution.

    Once ejected from that coalition maybe they’ll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.

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    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    They're already in the alt-right. Go criticize Israel in Conservative Treehouse or Breitbart if you don't believe me. That's the thing about our Zionist fiends friends. They aim to be everywhere, with one constant -- Israel is beyond reproach.
    , @Lot
    "Once ejected from that coalition maybe they’ll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right."

    In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group.

    This also appears to be the same general case in France. And Israel of course is the most right-wing nationalist white country in the world. (You could also argue for Hungary, Russia, etc, but only Israel is natalist and expansionist.)

    Eventually the Dems will nominate someone who isn't solidly pro Israel, and that will bring the majority of Jews to the GOP in the USA. Romney did the best of recent GOP nominees in part because Obama was somewhat pro-Arab and had several pro-Arab advisers like Samantha Power.

    Muslim Supremicist Jeramy Corbyn caused Jews to block vote for Conservatives, giving them 77% if their votes (that's 86% of the two party vote, so British Jews vote for the Tories almost like US blacks vote for Democrats).

    Finally, Canadian Jews swung majority right in the 2011 election and have been there ever since. The right wing Conservative party adopted GOP style pro-Israel positions around that time under Harper, while the two left wing parties (Liberals and NDP) are increasingly full of Muslims, including a lot of Indian Muslims, who are the most competent.

    , @anonymous
    If you want to be on TV or socialize in Hollywood or the Ivy League - ya got to supported by the tribe.
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  20. syonredux says:

    Other groups in the consulting role include those combating anti-Muslim, anti-LGBT and anti-Latino bigotry.

    Odd. A good chunk of the staff at every Starbucks I’ve ever been in has been “LGBTQ”……

    And hasn’t someone founded an “anti-Hindu bigotry” organization yet?

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Such a well-known phenomenon that the Bloodhound Gang used it in a lyric:

    Soul for sale sold to Satan for a hell of a lotta luck
    I'm hard to come by like a straight guy working at Starbucks
    , @Yngvar
    The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect was founded one minute or so after the copyright ran out. It's 70 years since Mahatma Gandhi died, so on midnight 1/1/19 the name is "free". Want to become a millionaire? Then The Mahatma Gandhi Center for Crushing Bigotry is in your future.
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  21. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Not long until the coalition of the diverse, that they've invited, realizes they no longer need the Jews as spokesmen / vanguard of the vibrant revolution.

    Once ejected from that coalition maybe they'll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.

    They’re already in the alt-right. Go criticize Israel in Conservative Treehouse or Breitbart if you don’t believe me. That’s the thing about our Zionist fiends friends. They aim to be everywhere, with one constant — Israel is beyond reproach.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Depends on what you mean by 'alt-right'. The term nowadays generally implies some degree of anti- or counter-semitism, so those groups wouldn't be considered alt-right by anyone right of center. (Liberals and leftists, of course, are happy to call Charles Murry a white supremacist and Candace Owens 'alt-right'.) Breitbart was founded by a Jewish guy (adopted) to be pro-Israel, so their stance is hardly surprising.

    The problem is that you're rarely going to find a right-wing, anti-Israel Jew (Paul Gottfried?), because right-wing people tend to think tribalism is OK, so right-wing Jews plump for Israel (and tend to ignore or handwave away the places where American and Israeli interests conflict--there is an awful lot of cognitive dissonance here, I've pinned people down on this in in-person conversations and it makes them uncomfortable and, from my limited perception, genuinely disturbed by the implications). There are plenty of Jewish critics of Israel, but they're all lefties who actually apply the universalist critique to their own group. (You have the Schumer-like liberal who makes exceptions for Israel, of course, but they seem to be declining among the younger generation from what I can tell. Of course, AIPAC's donations make sure they are well-represented in Congress.)

    Whether you think the benefits of allies and money outweigh the risks of entryism is up to you. Different groups seem to take different positions on this one--compare, as you say, Conservative Treehouse and Return of Kings.

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  22. @Triumph104
    Jews and Starbucks?

    Kessman was one of six freshmen suspended from practice Thursday night for a violation of team rules. BYU did not disclose the nature of the violations, and players and coaches are not made available to the media after Wednesday's practice.

    "Ryan has expressed his desire to leave BYU, and we have granted his release and wish him well," BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall said in a statement released by the program.

    Kessman's father, Steven, said his son was suspended for drinking a vanilla cappuccino, breaking curfew and missing a weightlifting workout.

    In accordance with the BYU Honor Code, students must abstain from possessing, serving or consuming alcohol, tobacco, tea or coffee. Kessman is Jewish, but his father said he understood the rules before arriving at BYU.

    "He knew going in what the Honor Code system was, but just didn't think it was that bad," Steven Kessman said. "So he went to Starbucks with his girlfriend and she wanted something to drink."
     
    http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sports/ci_7028219

    He missed out by foregoing a cigar with his cappucino. Adding tobacco consumption to his sins against the LDS may have gotten him expelled.

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  23. njguy73 says:
    @Gunner
    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.

    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.

    Dunkin’ Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.

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    Dunkin’ Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.
     
    Howard Schultz might beg to differ..

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19980819&slug=2767425

    http://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-schultz-speaks-out-charlottesville-trump-2017-8

    , @Lot
    Is that a reference to the prices?

    The Starbucks donuts that cost $2.75 each don't even look very good, not fluffy at all. Though even the Starbucks pastries that look tasty are not.

    The best donuts around my house are at Von's, a large unionized grocery chain owned by Safeway, and cost 50-75 cents.
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  24. @Luke Lea
    My first reaction was negative, but now it makes more sense. It's not easy being a black in America, whereas being Jewish (or rather Ashkenazi) is often an advantage.

    “It’s not easy being a black in America”

    Yeah, but that doesn’t stop a few million whiggers from trying.

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  25. Lot says:
    @Anon
    If this training day is going to consist of speeches and hectoring from "civil rights leaders of color" then it's going to be a complete waste of time.

    What the employees need is a clear explanation of the rules that they are supposed to follow and some specific examples and role playing related to those rules.

    What the hell are the rules and policies? For example: Is the rule that someone who comes into a store and asks to use the toilet should be refused? Or is it that white people should be refused and not black people? Or is there a patter that should be used to discourage use of the toilet, but if someone insists you let them use it? Should the homeless be allowed to use the toilet? Does it depend on their smell or visible level of filth? If they are in the toilet for a long time, what is the procedure? When should the police be called? In short, how the hell can I do my job properly and not end up out of work all of a sudden because I was following what I thought were the rules and it went viral on Twitter.

    Other topics: How to react when black people are obviously testing and probing and trying to provoke you? What do you do when smart phone video is being taken? To what extent do you have to stand in front of a video camera and be humiliated for posterity in order to keep your minimum wage job? Will specific rules and policies be worked out and will the rules be availble in printed and signage form for distribution to customers? To what extent is my job at risk if I honestly try to enforce the rules laid down by Starbucks, but it ends up creating a viral controversy? If someone comes in and takes a table and doesn't order anything, what should be done? Does it depend on how crowded it is or what time it is? How, specifically? Does it depend on the perceived race of the customer? Is there an amount of time beyond which they should not be allowed to stay? To what extent are the minimum wage staff expected to personally deal with the situation, and at what point is it O.K. to call the police without risk of being fired?

    My feeling is that despite a month of preparation, the training day will simply be virtue signaling, a lot of verbiage that Starbucks doesn't mind leaking out, and no addressing of the hard questions of how to deal with on-the-ground scenarios.

    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once. It was not a SJW affair in the slightest. Rather it was half an hour of “keep your paws off your underlings, we don’t want to be sued, we will fire you if you expose us to a lawsuit” then another half hour of careful explanations on what types of co-workers are allowed to date. The people doing the training didn’t make any sort of anti-male statement or even try to defend the rules they were explaining.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Yes, but this won't feature any careful explanations on what behaviour will lead to being asked to leave and what won't - because in reality

    a) some groups of customers will act up more than others do - but this reality is not acknowledged by the law
    b) acting purely based on written rules of behaviour will therefore lead to disparate impact on some ethnic groups - one in particular. Lawsuits may well follow.

    "Sexual Harrassment" is more of a grey zone, because one woman's harassment is another's compliment or flirting. I once had a new female colleague tell me with evident pleasure that as she walked out of the interview room, she'd heard a guy ask his co-worker "who's the babe?". She was delighted by this. No one ever liked being told to leave, but some ladies like being "hit on", as you say across the pond.

    Meanwhile in the UK, we have moved from equal treatment to "unequal treatment in the name of equality".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43922000


    "A London coroner has been ordered by the High Court to change her "cab-rank" queuing policy for handling burials after it was ruled "unlawful". Senior coroner Mary Hassell had said she would not fast-track inquests based on religion.

    Under Jewish and Islamic law, bodies must be buried on the day of death or as soon as possible afterwards. Her jurisdiction covers north London which is home to large communities of orthodox Jews and Muslims.

    Lord Justice Singh said the policy set by Ms Hassell was discriminatory and must be quashed."
     

    The back story is that Ms Hassell had been pressured by various ethnicities to bump some inquests/death certification to the front of the queue - pressure which became pretty close to harassment (can't imagine that, can you?). Therefore she decided that there'd be no more exceptions and it would be "first come first served". She hadn't noticed that the Second Set Of Books now applies, and British people whose relatives die in North London have to get to the back of the coroner's bus.

    (and the low Jewish vote for UK Labour was pretty unusual - Corbyn is seen as being much too neutral vis a vis Israel and the Palestinians.)

    , @International Jew

    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once.
     
    As I reached the end of your first line there (on my screen, it came at the word sexual) I became a little uneasy.
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  26. Mishra says:

    “The demotion of the ADL from a leadership role is a clear reflection of the recognition by a wide variety of social justice organizations and individuals that the ADL’s status as a civil rights organization is compromised given its history and practices of anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Black racism,” Rebecca Vilkomerson, JVP’s executive director, said in the press release.

    It’s almost as though the ADL forgot their prime directive is to be anti-wypipos.

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  27. Mishra says:
    @njguy73

    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.
     
    Dunkin' Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.
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    Dunkin’ Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.
     
    Howard Schultz might beg to differ..
     
    You don't get more "goyishe" than Caribou:

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2005/10/03/will-caribous-shariah-affect-shares.aspx

    However, Caribou cannot be accused of being anti-Semitic. No, they're too Semitic.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/caribou-coffee/
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  28. Lot says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Not long until the coalition of the diverse, that they've invited, realizes they no longer need the Jews as spokesmen / vanguard of the vibrant revolution.

    Once ejected from that coalition maybe they'll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.

    “Once ejected from that coalition maybe they’ll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.”

    In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group.

    This also appears to be the same general case in France. And Israel of course is the most right-wing nationalist white country in the world. (You could also argue for Hungary, Russia, etc, but only Israel is natalist and expansionist.)

    Eventually the Dems will nominate someone who isn’t solidly pro Israel, and that will bring the majority of Jews to the GOP in the USA. Romney did the best of recent GOP nominees in part because Obama was somewhat pro-Arab and had several pro-Arab advisers like Samantha Power.

    Muslim Supremicist Jeramy Corbyn caused Jews to block vote for Conservatives, giving them 77% if their votes (that’s 86% of the two party vote, so British Jews vote for the Tories almost like US blacks vote for Democrats).

    Finally, Canadian Jews swung majority right in the 2011 election and have been there ever since. The right wing Conservative party adopted GOP style pro-Israel positions around that time under Harper, while the two left wing parties (Liberals and NDP) are increasingly full of Muslims, including a lot of Indian Muslims, who are the most competent.

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    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians, while the most militarily-competent are Chechens and Turks. The best overall are probably Lebanese.
    , @DIscharged EE
    "In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group. "

    Lot, your assertion is very incorrect.
    1)per Margaret Thatcher, Honorary Jew--see link below, in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs --about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had "just" two.

    2) I lack an immediate cite, but by 1986 there were a total of 36 MPs and 35 were Jewish, and about five were in Thatcher's inner cabinet.

    This switching of parties reflects a general abandonment by Jews of the Left for the rising "conservative" parties--see also the neoCons joining the Republican party in the 1970's. The switch also illustrates Jews as "flexible strategizers" to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
    As for a majority of Jews voting for the "Conservatives" hardly means much since the Conservatives wont do anything for legacy Britons on the key issues of immigration and affordable family formation. Additionally, the then Tory leader Cameron, (of Jewish descent), was proud to tell the Knesset that he would never "question any steps Israel takes to secure itself" while never offering legacy Britons that reassurance

    https://www.amazon.com/Margaret-Thatcher-Honorary-Britains-Beliefs-ebook/dp/B0741PKY71
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  29. Lot says:
    @njguy73

    I’m Jewish. I don’t think Jewish people care enough about Starbucks to be discriminated and/or discriminate there.
     
    Dunkin' Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.

    Is that a reference to the prices?

    The Starbucks donuts that cost $2.75 each don’t even look very good, not fluffy at all. Though even the Starbucks pastries that look tasty are not.

    The best donuts around my house are at Von’s, a large unionized grocery chain owned by Safeway, and cost 50-75 cents.

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    Starbucks donuts are heavy and inedible unless you dunk them in coffee first or you are really, really hungry. And I agree, supermarket donuts often are superior to those from regular donut shops. Don't know why. Of all the little independent donut shops within ten miles of me, only one is even edible anymore. Some of the others were bought out by orientals, but some.....same owner, just the donuts went to hell. Not sure why.

    We have Lamar's, Krispy Kreme , and DD of the national chains. Lamar's gouges you for drinks, and DD has great coffee but a mediocre donut. Krispy Kreme is a triple bypass in a bag as far as I can tell.
    , @Marty
    I was in a Von's somewhere in the SV valley early 90s, around 11:00 p.m. Was in the checkout line when two black guys came in - one tall, one short - in a heated argument, each yelling that the other had f***** up, or was stupid, etc. They go down one aisle, come up the next, still hurling insults. Finally the short guy says, "shit, you 6'5" you can't play no ball!" Silence.
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  30. snorlax says:
    @Lot
    "Once ejected from that coalition maybe they’ll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right."

    In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group.

    This also appears to be the same general case in France. And Israel of course is the most right-wing nationalist white country in the world. (You could also argue for Hungary, Russia, etc, but only Israel is natalist and expansionist.)

    Eventually the Dems will nominate someone who isn't solidly pro Israel, and that will bring the majority of Jews to the GOP in the USA. Romney did the best of recent GOP nominees in part because Obama was somewhat pro-Arab and had several pro-Arab advisers like Samantha Power.

    Muslim Supremicist Jeramy Corbyn caused Jews to block vote for Conservatives, giving them 77% if their votes (that's 86% of the two party vote, so British Jews vote for the Tories almost like US blacks vote for Democrats).

    Finally, Canadian Jews swung majority right in the 2011 election and have been there ever since. The right wing Conservative party adopted GOP style pro-Israel positions around that time under Harper, while the two left wing parties (Liberals and NDP) are increasingly full of Muslims, including a lot of Indian Muslims, who are the most competent.

    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians, while the most militarily-competent are Chechens and Turks. The best overall are probably Lebanese.

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    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians
     
    I'll give you Iranians, but Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.

    The best overall are probably Lebanese.
     
    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.
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  31. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Is that a reference to the prices?

    The Starbucks donuts that cost $2.75 each don't even look very good, not fluffy at all. Though even the Starbucks pastries that look tasty are not.

    The best donuts around my house are at Von's, a large unionized grocery chain owned by Safeway, and cost 50-75 cents.

    Starbucks donuts are heavy and inedible unless you dunk them in coffee first or you are really, really hungry. And I agree, supermarket donuts often are superior to those from regular donut shops. Don’t know why. Of all the little independent donut shops within ten miles of me, only one is even edible anymore. Some of the others were bought out by orientals, but some…..same owner, just the donuts went to hell. Not sure why.

    We have Lamar’s, Krispy Kreme , and DD of the national chains. Lamar’s gouges you for drinks, and DD has great coffee but a mediocre donut. Krispy Kreme is a triple bypass in a bag as far as I can tell.

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  32. @Mishra

    Dunkin’ Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.
     
    Howard Schultz might beg to differ..

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19980819&slug=2767425

    http://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-schultz-speaks-out-charlottesville-trump-2017-8

    Dunkin’ Donuts is Jewish. Starbucks is goyishe.

    Howard Schultz might beg to differ..

    You don’t get more “goyishe” than Caribou:

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2005/10/03/will-caribous-shariah-affect-shares.aspx

    However, Caribou cannot be accused of being anti-Semitic. No, they’re too Semitic.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/caribou-coffee/

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  33. Bill B. says:

    I have a dream that one day, Jewish-Americans will be free — free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, we are free at last — to sit down at a Starbucks lunch counter and order an Iced Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte.

    Or, of course, just wonder in to sit down and use the toilets without buying anything.

    As mentioned by others non-customers wondering in, or customers hogging tables, can really kill a coffee shop. In modern Asia students and school kids will “claim” their table for a whole day by putting books on it even when they are away most of the time. Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the “price” of a couple of coffees. Street stall owners will wonder in at whim to use the bathrooms.

    They try to fight back with notices shaming such behavior and by putting cards warning against this on the tables. Not always to great effect.

    There is, I suggest, at least a solution in the West to sketchy characters simply sitting down not buying anything: play Mozart.

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    You could run 115 volts to the chairs .
    , @International Jew

    Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the “price” of a couple of coffees.
     
    Yes! I saw this a year ago. It was crowded and, seeing one guy at a four-person table, I sat down diagonally across from him. He explained that he was awaiting three associates, due in soon, for a Business Meeting. I smiled and said, "Oh, that's ok, I think we can squeeze three more people in here." He gave me a dirty look and left to look for another table (or maybe a less crowded Starbucks).
    , @MBlanc46
    I wonder as I wander?
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  34. El Dato says:

    The training was announced following outrage at the arrest of two black men waiting to start a meeting at a Philadelphia Starbucks store.

    Remember that they were waiting for the Jewish Businessman.

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  35. bjdubbs says:

    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist). Depino and Yaffe are Facebook buddies and the community of Philly Jews can’t be that big. She probably visited that Starbucks regularly or must have known that the manager was known to call the cops on loiterers. Yaffe was probably in touch with Donte Robinson, who wanted to get into real estate. They set up a meeting and roped in Rashon Nelson, who showed up to the meeting dressed like a homeless person in dirty sweatpants. As expected, the manager called the cops and Depino was there to film it and do interviews and write editorials. Yaffe showed up after he saw the cops enter the Starbucks and acted totally surprised and outraged. The biggest tell is that Nelson was wearing dirty sweatpants – who wears dirty sweatpants to an important business meeting? It just doesn’t add up unless it’s a hoax.

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    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist)....
     
    That it was a setup seems extremely likely. Yet, all these "journalists" who claim Trump is attacking journalists ... can never seem to do any journalism. Just like they were never able to find out anything about Trayvon Martin--like that he wasn't the 12 year old kid in the pictures they had with their stories, or that the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows interviewed witnesses who described Martin on top, "reigning down blows MMA style" and smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

    Nope, journalists don't actually commit journalism much anymore. Nowdays journalists seem to have an intense desire not to find stuff out.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe the table at which the blacks guys were loitering should be carefully removed and displayed at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History alongside the Woolworth lunch counter from Greensboro, NC, that four African Americans desegregated in 1960.

    Surely this too is an important course-correction as the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice.

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/greensboro-lunch-counter
    , @Jack D

    the community of Philly Jews can’t be that big
     
    There are around 275,000 Jews in the Philadelphia area and DePino isn't one of them.
    , @DCThrowback
    In addition, they went up to the counter *together* to ask to use the bathroom. Very, very odd - all the more to trigger the manager into making the call.
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  36. Realist says:

    ADL Squeezed Out of Starbucks’ Big Bucks Payoff

    Hopefully Starbucks will go broke.

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    Given the pain that our dear blacks suffer daily,why wouldn't these Negro groups do their hectoring for free? They need to be paid to speak truth to power? Isn't that why they got in the Social Justice biz in the first place?


    Note: Maybe the ADL was kicked out because Greenblatt is trying to pull off the Isaac Hayes look? Cultural something?
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  37. @Lot
    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once. It was not a SJW affair in the slightest. Rather it was half an hour of "keep your paws off your underlings, we don't want to be sued, we will fire you if you expose us to a lawsuit" then another half hour of careful explanations on what types of co-workers are allowed to date. The people doing the training didn't make any sort of anti-male statement or even try to defend the rules they were explaining.

    Yes, but this won’t feature any careful explanations on what behaviour will lead to being asked to leave and what won’t – because in reality

    a) some groups of customers will act up more than others do – but this reality is not acknowledged by the law
    b) acting purely based on written rules of behaviour will therefore lead to disparate impact on some ethnic groups – one in particular. Lawsuits may well follow.

    “Sexual Harrassment” is more of a grey zone, because one woman’s harassment is another’s compliment or flirting. I once had a new female colleague tell me with evident pleasure that as she walked out of the interview room, she’d heard a guy ask his co-worker “who’s the babe?“. She was delighted by this. No one ever liked being told to leave, but some ladies like being “hit on”, as you say across the pond.

    Meanwhile in the UK, we have moved from equal treatment to “unequal treatment in the name of equality”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43922000

    “A London coroner has been ordered by the High Court to change her “cab-rank” queuing policy for handling burials after it was ruled “unlawful”. Senior coroner Mary Hassell had said she would not fast-track inquests based on religion.

    Under Jewish and Islamic law, bodies must be buried on the day of death or as soon as possible afterwards. Her jurisdiction covers north London which is home to large communities of orthodox Jews and Muslims.

    Lord Justice Singh said the policy set by Ms Hassell was discriminatory and must be quashed.”

    The back story is that Ms Hassell had been pressured by various ethnicities to bump some inquests/death certification to the front of the queue – pressure which became pretty close to harassment (can’t imagine that, can you?). Therefore she decided that there’d be no more exceptions and it would be “first come first served”. She hadn’t noticed that the Second Set Of Books now applies, and British people whose relatives die in North London have to get to the back of the coroner’s bus.

    (and the low Jewish vote for UK Labour was pretty unusual – Corbyn is seen as being much too neutral vis a vis Israel and the Palestinians.)

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  38. donut says:
    @Bill B.

    I have a dream that one day, Jewish-Americans will be free — free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, we are free at last — to sit down at a Starbucks lunch counter and order an Iced Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte.
     
    Or, of course, just wonder in to sit down and use the toilets without buying anything.

    As mentioned by others non-customers wondering in, or customers hogging tables, can really kill a coffee shop. In modern Asia students and school kids will "claim" their table for a whole day by putting books on it even when they are away most of the time. Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the "price" of a couple of coffees. Street stall owners will wonder in at whim to use the bathrooms.

    They try to fight back with notices shaming such behavior and by putting cards warning against this on the tables. Not always to great effect.

    There is, I suggest, at least a solution in the West to sketchy characters simply sitting down not buying anything: play Mozart.

    You could run 115 volts to the chairs .

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  39. @Lot
    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once. It was not a SJW affair in the slightest. Rather it was half an hour of "keep your paws off your underlings, we don't want to be sued, we will fire you if you expose us to a lawsuit" then another half hour of careful explanations on what types of co-workers are allowed to date. The people doing the training didn't make any sort of anti-male statement or even try to defend the rules they were explaining.

    I had a mass private sector sexual harassment training once.

    As I reached the end of your first line there (on my screen, it came at the word sexual) I became a little uneasy.

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  40. SFG says:
    @Bragadocious
    They're already in the alt-right. Go criticize Israel in Conservative Treehouse or Breitbart if you don't believe me. That's the thing about our Zionist fiends friends. They aim to be everywhere, with one constant -- Israel is beyond reproach.

    Depends on what you mean by ‘alt-right’. The term nowadays generally implies some degree of anti- or counter-semitism, so those groups wouldn’t be considered alt-right by anyone right of center. (Liberals and leftists, of course, are happy to call Charles Murry a white supremacist and Candace Owens ‘alt-right’.) Breitbart was founded by a Jewish guy (adopted) to be pro-Israel, so their stance is hardly surprising.

    The problem is that you’re rarely going to find a right-wing, anti-Israel Jew (Paul Gottfried?), because right-wing people tend to think tribalism is OK, so right-wing Jews plump for Israel (and tend to ignore or handwave away the places where American and Israeli interests conflict–there is an awful lot of cognitive dissonance here, I’ve pinned people down on this in in-person conversations and it makes them uncomfortable and, from my limited perception, genuinely disturbed by the implications). There are plenty of Jewish critics of Israel, but they’re all lefties who actually apply the universalist critique to their own group. (You have the Schumer-like liberal who makes exceptions for Israel, of course, but they seem to be declining among the younger generation from what I can tell. Of course, AIPAC’s donations make sure they are well-represented in Congress.)

    Whether you think the benefits of allies and money outweigh the risks of entryism is up to you. Different groups seem to take different positions on this one–compare, as you say, Conservative Treehouse and Return of Kings.

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    My definition of alt-right is:

    - Ann Coulter's immigration policy
    - Rand Paul's foreign policy
    - Peter Navarro's trade policy
    - Ted Nugent's 2A policy
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  41. This is great news to me. The more leftist organizations toss their Jewish allies/useful idiots overboard, the sooner we’ll all wise up — that blacks are not our natural allies (illegal immigrants even less so), that every additional Muslim immigrant brings us closer to the miserable conditions Jews now endure in France, and that the real-world alternative to “white supremacy” is not a liberal secular paradise but some other kind of supremacy that will be much less kind to us.

    Mussolini had lots of Jewish fans too, when he came to power in 1921. They wised up eventually.

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  42. @Bill B.

    I have a dream that one day, Jewish-Americans will be free — free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, we are free at last — to sit down at a Starbucks lunch counter and order an Iced Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte.
     
    Or, of course, just wonder in to sit down and use the toilets without buying anything.

    As mentioned by others non-customers wondering in, or customers hogging tables, can really kill a coffee shop. In modern Asia students and school kids will "claim" their table for a whole day by putting books on it even when they are away most of the time. Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the "price" of a couple of coffees. Street stall owners will wonder in at whim to use the bathrooms.

    They try to fight back with notices shaming such behavior and by putting cards warning against this on the tables. Not always to great effect.

    There is, I suggest, at least a solution in the West to sketchy characters simply sitting down not buying anything: play Mozart.

    Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the “price” of a couple of coffees.

    Yes! I saw this a year ago. It was crowded and, seeing one guy at a four-person table, I sat down diagonally across from him. He explained that he was awaiting three associates, due in soon, for a Business Meeting. I smiled and said, “Oh, that’s ok, I think we can squeeze three more people in here.” He gave me a dirty look and left to look for another table (or maybe a less crowded Starbucks).

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  43. @syonredux

    Other groups in the consulting role include those combating anti-Muslim, anti-LGBT and anti-Latino bigotry.
     
    Odd. A good chunk of the staff at every Starbucks I've ever been in has been "LGBTQ"......

    And hasn't someone founded an "anti-Hindu bigotry" organization yet?

    Such a well-known phenomenon that the Bloodhound Gang used it in a lyric:

    Soul for sale sold to Satan for a hell of a lotta luck
    I’m hard to come by like a straight guy working at Starbucks

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  44. @bjdubbs
    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist). Depino and Yaffe are Facebook buddies and the community of Philly Jews can't be that big. She probably visited that Starbucks regularly or must have known that the manager was known to call the cops on loiterers. Yaffe was probably in touch with Donte Robinson, who wanted to get into real estate. They set up a meeting and roped in Rashon Nelson, who showed up to the meeting dressed like a homeless person in dirty sweatpants. As expected, the manager called the cops and Depino was there to film it and do interviews and write editorials. Yaffe showed up after he saw the cops enter the Starbucks and acted totally surprised and outraged. The biggest tell is that Nelson was wearing dirty sweatpants - who wears dirty sweatpants to an important business meeting? It just doesn't add up unless it's a hoax.

    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist)….

    That it was a setup seems extremely likely. Yet, all these “journalists” who claim Trump is attacking journalists … can never seem to do any journalism. Just like they were never able to find out anything about Trayvon Martin–like that he wasn’t the 12 year old kid in the pictures they had with their stories, or that the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows interviewed witnesses who described Martin on top, “reigning down blows MMA style” and smashing Zimmerman’s head into the sidewalk.

    Nope, journalists don’t actually commit journalism much anymore. Nowdays journalists seem to have an intense desire not to find stuff out.

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    The only way this could have been a setup is if the manager was in on it also, and maybe the cops too. Not everything is a Jooish conspiracy or even a conspiracy at all. Sometimes stuff just happens.
    , @kaganovitch
    I think it's Iowahawk who says " Journalism is about covering important stories ... with a pillow until they stop breathing"
    , @CJ
    The “ the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows” actually covered the fiasco trial of Omar Mateen’s wife pretty well, while bigger media resolutely ignored it. (That was the trial that revealed Mateen’s father was an FBI informant and that the prosecution had lied to the judge about exculpatory evidence in order to get the judge to refuse bail.)
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  45. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    My girl friend is “Hispanic” from Venezuela. She’s as White as I am – a White Midwesterner, but she is completely bi-lingual, fluent in Spanish plus she’s a woman IT professor – few women or “Hispanics” in this field.

    She gets lots of abuse from Latino “activists” and the usual anti White Lib Leftists that’s she’s not really Latino because she is too White.

    She holds her own because she is fluent in Spanish and here’s a secret.

    Many or even most LaRaza Hispanic “activists” who are 3rd generation Americans don’t speak Spanish. So how can you really be Hispanic if you can’t speak Spanish?

    It’s like Elizabeth Warren still getting away with passing herself off as an American Indian Native American.

    The whole Startbucks incident and mandatory re-education camps incident was/is heavily Jewish from the get go and boy do super wealthy Jews like form Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, Hollywood Jews like Rob Reiner – boy do they want back in to the social justice, Civil Rights movement pretending it’s still 1963 in Selma Alabama.

    Jews like Madeline Albright go so far as saying they will convert to Islam to oppose racist Trump supporters.

    So far the CAIR Muslims have pretty much given the Lib Jews a pass as they want their money and want positive CNN Media coverage – it’s everybody against poor, working class White Americans.

    Maybe some folks are on side can convert to Islam and start punishing our enemies from an America First, morality in Hollywood, anti feminist, anti Neo Conservatives, anti Zionist perspective.

    The Russians seem to have made this work in Chetnia – the head Chetnian Muslim warlord loyal to Moscow looks very very White Slavic Russian.

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  46. @bjdubbs
    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist). Depino and Yaffe are Facebook buddies and the community of Philly Jews can't be that big. She probably visited that Starbucks regularly or must have known that the manager was known to call the cops on loiterers. Yaffe was probably in touch with Donte Robinson, who wanted to get into real estate. They set up a meeting and roped in Rashon Nelson, who showed up to the meeting dressed like a homeless person in dirty sweatpants. As expected, the manager called the cops and Depino was there to film it and do interviews and write editorials. Yaffe showed up after he saw the cops enter the Starbucks and acted totally surprised and outraged. The biggest tell is that Nelson was wearing dirty sweatpants - who wears dirty sweatpants to an important business meeting? It just doesn't add up unless it's a hoax.

    Maybe the table at which the blacks guys were loitering should be carefully removed and displayed at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History alongside the Woolworth lunch counter from Greensboro, NC, that four African Americans desegregated in 1960.

    Surely this too is an important course-correction as the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice.

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/greensboro-lunch-counter

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    Along side the sweatpants?

    Too bad no one thought to preserve the urine. The urine that was unwanted...because it came from a black bladder?
    , @Anon
    Elderly black woman I knew worked at a Woolworths lunch counter in Alabama back when she was young. She told me that black customers used to steal the tips.

    She was a school teacher and assistant principal.
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  47. @Realist

    ADL Squeezed Out of Starbucks' Big Bucks Payoff
     
    Hopefully Starbucks will go broke.

    Given the pain that our dear blacks suffer daily,why wouldn’t these Negro groups do their hectoring for free? They need to be paid to speak truth to power? Isn’t that why they got in the Social Justice biz in the first place?

    Note: Maybe the ADL was kicked out because Greenblatt is trying to pull off the Isaac Hayes look? Cultural something?

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  48. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Not long until the coalition of the diverse, that they've invited, realizes they no longer need the Jews as spokesmen / vanguard of the vibrant revolution.

    Once ejected from that coalition maybe they'll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right.

    If you want to be on TV or socialize in Hollywood or the Ivy League – ya got to supported by the tribe.

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  49. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians, while the most militarily-competent are Chechens and Turks. The best overall are probably Lebanese.

    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians

    I’ll give you Iranians, but Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.

    The best overall are probably Lebanese.

    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.

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    Agree. Lebanese are the most prosperous, civilized Arabs -- but that is almost entirely the Christian subset of Lebanese. The Muslim majority are a basket case.
    , @snorlax

    Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.
     
    True, but Malays are able to

    * Refrain from killing their golden goose
    * Make full and effective use of their golden goose
    * Prevent their golden goose from getting too uppity

    Which is more than you can say of Filipinos, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesians, et al. For Muslims (again—Muslims) that's about as socioeconomically-competent as it gets. Most Muslim ethnies would be batting 0/3. Winning the Konfrontasi was also pretty darn impressive by Muslim standards.

    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.
     
    Christians are more competent than Muslims pretty much across the board (e.g. the black Christian south Sudanese have repeatedly kicked the asses of the numerically-superior, Arab/black-mulatto north Sudanese), but, while Lebanese Muslims still don't match Maronites pound-for-pound, they were able to defeat them. That's pretty competent for Muslims. They benefited from substantial Syrian aid, yes, but the Christians benefited from equally-substantial Israeli aid.

    Hezbollah is pretty clearly the most competent Muslim terrorist/paramilitary organization. They have a winning record against both the Israeli and US militaries, which is impressive by any standard. They are the terrorist gold standard for ambitious and logistically-complex operations, holding physical territory and building international influence networks. They are also now arguably the strongest entity in Syria, as well as Lebanon.

    I don't know a whole lot about Sunni Lebanese, other than they've produced some pretty competent politicos in the Hariri family, and seem to be influential at least in proportion to their numbers in the economic and political spheres. Which again points to high levels of competence by Muslim standards.
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  50. @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe the table at which the blacks guys were loitering should be carefully removed and displayed at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History alongside the Woolworth lunch counter from Greensboro, NC, that four African Americans desegregated in 1960.

    Surely this too is an important course-correction as the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice.

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/greensboro-lunch-counter

    Along side the sweatpants?

    Too bad no one thought to preserve the urine. The urine that was unwanted…because it came from a black bladder?

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  51. Jack D says:
    @bjdubbs
    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist). Depino and Yaffe are Facebook buddies and the community of Philly Jews can't be that big. She probably visited that Starbucks regularly or must have known that the manager was known to call the cops on loiterers. Yaffe was probably in touch with Donte Robinson, who wanted to get into real estate. They set up a meeting and roped in Rashon Nelson, who showed up to the meeting dressed like a homeless person in dirty sweatpants. As expected, the manager called the cops and Depino was there to film it and do interviews and write editorials. Yaffe showed up after he saw the cops enter the Starbucks and acted totally surprised and outraged. The biggest tell is that Nelson was wearing dirty sweatpants - who wears dirty sweatpants to an important business meeting? It just doesn't add up unless it's a hoax.

    the community of Philly Jews can’t be that big

    There are around 275,000 Jews in the Philadelphia area and DePino isn’t one of them.

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    but Yaffe is.

    depino was the shabbatz goy.
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  52. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist)....
     
    That it was a setup seems extremely likely. Yet, all these "journalists" who claim Trump is attacking journalists ... can never seem to do any journalism. Just like they were never able to find out anything about Trayvon Martin--like that he wasn't the 12 year old kid in the pictures they had with their stories, or that the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows interviewed witnesses who described Martin on top, "reigning down blows MMA style" and smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

    Nope, journalists don't actually commit journalism much anymore. Nowdays journalists seem to have an intense desire not to find stuff out.

    The only way this could have been a setup is if the manager was in on it also, and maybe the cops too. Not everything is a Jooish conspiracy or even a conspiracy at all. Sometimes stuff just happens.

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    Even if it were not a set-up from the start, I suspect that the black fellows involved saw an opportunity when they were asked to leave, especially when the police were called in. Otherwise, why not just vacate the premises? How could a black man not perceive the prospective rewards when he can claim his rights were violated?

    Back in the early 1970s, I worked in a university medical library. My supervisor was a young black man. One day he had an altercation with a white patron and it escalated until the white man used a racial epithet, after which my supervisor really lit into him. Afterward, he gloated about the incident, telling me that once provoked the white man to use "that word," he knew he had him by the balls. No way the guy was going to make a report after that. I think that secret weapon is always in the minds of black people.
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  53. In the spirit of Take this Job and Shove It, I wonder how many baristas, guys and gals, will have the balls to stand up during the training and take French leave.

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  54. @AnotherDad

    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist)....
     
    That it was a setup seems extremely likely. Yet, all these "journalists" who claim Trump is attacking journalists ... can never seem to do any journalism. Just like they were never able to find out anything about Trayvon Martin--like that he wasn't the 12 year old kid in the pictures they had with their stories, or that the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows interviewed witnesses who described Martin on top, "reigning down blows MMA style" and smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

    Nope, journalists don't actually commit journalism much anymore. Nowdays journalists seem to have an intense desire not to find stuff out.

    I think it’s Iowahawk who says ” Journalism is about covering important stories … with a pillow until they stop breathing”

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  55. @Jack D
    The only way this could have been a setup is if the manager was in on it also, and maybe the cops too. Not everything is a Jooish conspiracy or even a conspiracy at all. Sometimes stuff just happens.

    Even if it were not a set-up from the start, I suspect that the black fellows involved saw an opportunity when they were asked to leave, especially when the police were called in. Otherwise, why not just vacate the premises? How could a black man not perceive the prospective rewards when he can claim his rights were violated?

    Back in the early 1970s, I worked in a university medical library. My supervisor was a young black man. One day he had an altercation with a white patron and it escalated until the white man used a racial epithet, after which my supervisor really lit into him. Afterward, he gloated about the incident, telling me that once provoked the white man to use “that word,” he knew he had him by the balls. No way the guy was going to make a report after that. I think that secret weapon is always in the minds of black people.

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    There was nothing in it for the black guys because they were waiting for a big, "life-changing" meeting:

    They said they calmly told the officers they were there for a meeting, and Robinson said he even called the person for whom they were waiting. But the officers repeatedly insisted that they leave, they said.

    "It's a real estate meeting. We’ve been working on this for months," Robinson said. "We're days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that."
     
    Would anyone jeopardize a life-changing meeting by a) wearing a hoodie and b) wearing pajama pants and c) getting needlessly arrested? It doesn't add up.

    Jack D: You're right that Depino is not Jewish.
    , @Jack D
    It was just a (un)lucky break that the nice white lady decided to film it with her cellphone and then the video went viral. Of course nowadays everyone is carrying a video camera with them at all times so there are a lot more "lucky" breaks of this kind.
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  56. bjdubbs says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Even if it were not a set-up from the start, I suspect that the black fellows involved saw an opportunity when they were asked to leave, especially when the police were called in. Otherwise, why not just vacate the premises? How could a black man not perceive the prospective rewards when he can claim his rights were violated?

    Back in the early 1970s, I worked in a university medical library. My supervisor was a young black man. One day he had an altercation with a white patron and it escalated until the white man used a racial epithet, after which my supervisor really lit into him. Afterward, he gloated about the incident, telling me that once provoked the white man to use "that word," he knew he had him by the balls. No way the guy was going to make a report after that. I think that secret weapon is always in the minds of black people.

    There was nothing in it for the black guys because they were waiting for a big, “life-changing” meeting:

    They said they calmly told the officers they were there for a meeting, and Robinson said he even called the person for whom they were waiting. But the officers repeatedly insisted that they leave, they said.

    “It’s a real estate meeting. We’ve been working on this for months,” Robinson said. “We’re days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that.”

    Would anyone jeopardize a life-changing meeting by a) wearing a hoodie and b) wearing pajama pants and c) getting needlessly arrested? It doesn’t add up.

    Jack D: You’re right that Depino is not Jewish.

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    Would anyone jeopardize a life-changing meeting by a) wearing a hoodie and b) wearing pajama pants and c) getting needlessly arrested?
     
    You are thinking like an old white person. Admittedly I would wear a suit to a life changing meeting and would take care not to get myself arrested, but I am not a young black male - their decision making operates according to a different program. If you run their decisions thru your program you are going to get different results almost every time.
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  57. Marty says:
    @Lot
    Is that a reference to the prices?

    The Starbucks donuts that cost $2.75 each don't even look very good, not fluffy at all. Though even the Starbucks pastries that look tasty are not.

    The best donuts around my house are at Von's, a large unionized grocery chain owned by Safeway, and cost 50-75 cents.

    I was in a Von’s somewhere in the SV valley early 90s, around 11:00 p.m. Was in the checkout line when two black guys came in – one tall, one short – in a heated argument, each yelling that the other had f***** up, or was stupid, etc. They go down one aisle, come up the next, still hurling insults. Finally the short guy says, “shit, you 6’5″ you can’t play no ball!” Silence.

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  58. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @bjdubbs
    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist). Depino and Yaffe are Facebook buddies and the community of Philly Jews can't be that big. She probably visited that Starbucks regularly or must have known that the manager was known to call the cops on loiterers. Yaffe was probably in touch with Donte Robinson, who wanted to get into real estate. They set up a meeting and roped in Rashon Nelson, who showed up to the meeting dressed like a homeless person in dirty sweatpants. As expected, the manager called the cops and Depino was there to film it and do interviews and write editorials. Yaffe showed up after he saw the cops enter the Starbucks and acted totally surprised and outraged. The biggest tell is that Nelson was wearing dirty sweatpants - who wears dirty sweatpants to an important business meeting? It just doesn't add up unless it's a hoax.

    In addition, they went up to the counter *together* to ask to use the bathroom. Very, very odd – all the more to trigger the manager into making the call.

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    Depino has the perfect resume for just this kind of guerilla marketing hoax. She runs a 15-person marketing consultancy called Think Leapfrog that provides marketing to non-profits:

    Having served the non-profit sector as a marketer for more than two decades, including seven years as a communications director for Temple University, where she helped to more than double philanthropic support, Melissa leads her Leapfrog team with enthusiasm, passion, and pride.

    Of course she cooked this up, she's a pro PR person.
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  59. EdwardM says:
    @Anonymous

    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians
     
    I'll give you Iranians, but Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.

    The best overall are probably Lebanese.
     
    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.

    Agree. Lebanese are the most prosperous, civilized Arabs — but that is almost entirely the Christian subset of Lebanese. The Muslim majority are a basket case.

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    See my reply to him.
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  60. @SFG
    Depends on what you mean by 'alt-right'. The term nowadays generally implies some degree of anti- or counter-semitism, so those groups wouldn't be considered alt-right by anyone right of center. (Liberals and leftists, of course, are happy to call Charles Murry a white supremacist and Candace Owens 'alt-right'.) Breitbart was founded by a Jewish guy (adopted) to be pro-Israel, so their stance is hardly surprising.

    The problem is that you're rarely going to find a right-wing, anti-Israel Jew (Paul Gottfried?), because right-wing people tend to think tribalism is OK, so right-wing Jews plump for Israel (and tend to ignore or handwave away the places where American and Israeli interests conflict--there is an awful lot of cognitive dissonance here, I've pinned people down on this in in-person conversations and it makes them uncomfortable and, from my limited perception, genuinely disturbed by the implications). There are plenty of Jewish critics of Israel, but they're all lefties who actually apply the universalist critique to their own group. (You have the Schumer-like liberal who makes exceptions for Israel, of course, but they seem to be declining among the younger generation from what I can tell. Of course, AIPAC's donations make sure they are well-represented in Congress.)

    Whether you think the benefits of allies and money outweigh the risks of entryism is up to you. Different groups seem to take different positions on this one--compare, as you say, Conservative Treehouse and Return of Kings.

    My definition of alt-right is:

    - Ann Coulter’s immigration policy
    - Rand Paul’s foreign policy
    - Peter Navarro’s trade policy
    - Ted Nugent’s 2A policy

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  61. bjdubbs says:
    @DCThrowback
    In addition, they went up to the counter *together* to ask to use the bathroom. Very, very odd - all the more to trigger the manager into making the call.

    Depino has the perfect resume for just this kind of guerilla marketing hoax. She runs a 15-person marketing consultancy called Think Leapfrog that provides marketing to non-profits:

    Having served the non-profit sector as a marketer for more than two decades, including seven years as a communications director for Temple University, where she helped to more than double philanthropic support, Melissa leads her Leapfrog team with enthusiasm, passion, and pride.

    Of course she cooked this up, she’s a pro PR person.

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    Well said.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAzbq3iiqzs
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  62. Brutusale says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    It's not a big deal; it's a venti deal.

    Any Starbucks patron would know that it’s a trenta deal.

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  63. Anon[813] • Disclaimer says:

    “Starbucks donuts are heavy and inedible unless you dunk them in coffee first or you are really, really hungry. And I agree, supermarket donuts often are superior to those from regular donut shops. ”

    Starbucks is about the experience, not the product – or rather, the experience is the product. Starbucks caters to uppercrust wannabe good whites who want to look intellectual without feeling bad for also not wanting to be around lower class people, including blacks.

    When someone says to their friend, “hey, want to go to Starbucks and grab a latte” it’s not just a gay reference. It properly translates into, “hey, we live in an urban area with lots of lower class proles – gross, blacks and white trash – so let’s go to the one place they aren’t likely to be because the public libraries are now filled with them; as a bonus, we can hang around and sip overpriced crap while assuaging our guilt by feeling intellectually superior to all the people who can’t afford to shop here.”

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  64. Brutusale says:

    I have to wonder just who from Starbucks corporate is in charge of this clusterflop. They’re allowing a Soros-financed organization that’s chaired by Fauxcahontas Warren’s daughter as part of the Two Minutes Hate.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/soros-funded-group-chaired-elizabeth-warrens-daughter-fighting-voter-integrity-lawsuits/

    http://www.demos.org/

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  65. Neoconned says:

    Is that weird skinny middle aged black lady in a pantsuit w long gheri curls a California thing?

    I never see black ladies in the south who look like that….

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  66. CJ says:
    @AnotherDad

    The arrest at Starbucks was almost certainly planned and orchestrated by Andrew Yaffe (real estate developer) and Melissa Depino (woke journalist)....
     
    That it was a setup seems extremely likely. Yet, all these "journalists" who claim Trump is attacking journalists ... can never seem to do any journalism. Just like they were never able to find out anything about Trayvon Martin--like that he wasn't the 12 year old kid in the pictures they had with their stories, or that the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows interviewed witnesses who described Martin on top, "reigning down blows MMA style" and smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

    Nope, journalists don't actually commit journalism much anymore. Nowdays journalists seem to have an intense desire not to find stuff out.

    The “ the if-it-bleeds-it-leads Orlando local news shows” actually covered the fiasco trial of Omar Mateen’s wife pretty well, while bigger media resolutely ignored it. (That was the trial that revealed Mateen’s father was an FBI informant and that the prosecution had lied to the judge about exculpatory evidence in order to get the judge to refuse bail.)

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  67. Jack D says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Even if it were not a set-up from the start, I suspect that the black fellows involved saw an opportunity when they were asked to leave, especially when the police were called in. Otherwise, why not just vacate the premises? How could a black man not perceive the prospective rewards when he can claim his rights were violated?

    Back in the early 1970s, I worked in a university medical library. My supervisor was a young black man. One day he had an altercation with a white patron and it escalated until the white man used a racial epithet, after which my supervisor really lit into him. Afterward, he gloated about the incident, telling me that once provoked the white man to use "that word," he knew he had him by the balls. No way the guy was going to make a report after that. I think that secret weapon is always in the minds of black people.

    It was just a (un)lucky break that the nice white lady decided to film it with her cellphone and then the video went viral. Of course nowadays everyone is carrying a video camera with them at all times so there are a lot more “lucky” breaks of this kind.

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  68. Jack D says:
    @bjdubbs
    There was nothing in it for the black guys because they were waiting for a big, "life-changing" meeting:

    They said they calmly told the officers they were there for a meeting, and Robinson said he even called the person for whom they were waiting. But the officers repeatedly insisted that they leave, they said.

    "It's a real estate meeting. We’ve been working on this for months," Robinson said. "We're days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that."
     
    Would anyone jeopardize a life-changing meeting by a) wearing a hoodie and b) wearing pajama pants and c) getting needlessly arrested? It doesn't add up.

    Jack D: You're right that Depino is not Jewish.

    Would anyone jeopardize a life-changing meeting by a) wearing a hoodie and b) wearing pajama pants and c) getting needlessly arrested?

    You are thinking like an old white person. Admittedly I would wear a suit to a life changing meeting and would take care not to get myself arrested, but I am not a young black male – their decision making operates according to a different program. If you run their decisions thru your program you are going to get different results almost every time.

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  69. @Lot
    "Once ejected from that coalition maybe they’ll discover #ItsOKtoBeWhite and join the Alt-Right."

    In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group.

    This also appears to be the same general case in France. And Israel of course is the most right-wing nationalist white country in the world. (You could also argue for Hungary, Russia, etc, but only Israel is natalist and expansionist.)

    Eventually the Dems will nominate someone who isn't solidly pro Israel, and that will bring the majority of Jews to the GOP in the USA. Romney did the best of recent GOP nominees in part because Obama was somewhat pro-Arab and had several pro-Arab advisers like Samantha Power.

    Muslim Supremicist Jeramy Corbyn caused Jews to block vote for Conservatives, giving them 77% if their votes (that's 86% of the two party vote, so British Jews vote for the Tories almost like US blacks vote for Democrats).

    Finally, Canadian Jews swung majority right in the 2011 election and have been there ever since. The right wing Conservative party adopted GOP style pro-Israel positions around that time under Harper, while the two left wing parties (Liberals and NDP) are increasingly full of Muslims, including a lot of Indian Muslims, who are the most competent.

    “In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group. ”

    Lot, your assertion is very incorrect.
    1)per Margaret Thatcher, Honorary Jew–see link below, in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.

    2) I lack an immediate cite, but by 1986 there were a total of 36 MPs and 35 were Jewish, and about five were in Thatcher’s inner cabinet.

    This switching of parties reflects a general abandonment by Jews of the Left for the rising “conservative” parties–see also the neoCons joining the Republican party in the 1970′s. The switch also illustrates Jews as “flexible strategizers” to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
    As for a majority of Jews voting for the “Conservatives” hardly means much since the Conservatives wont do anything for legacy Britons on the key issues of immigration and affordable family formation. Additionally, the then Tory leader Cameron, (of Jewish descent), was proud to tell the Knesset that he would never “question any steps Israel takes to secure itself” while never offering legacy Britons that reassurance

    https://www.amazon.com/Margaret-Thatcher-Honorary-Britains-Beliefs-ebook/dp/B0741PKY71

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    Not sure how complete this list is, but it shows since 2010 there have been 11 Conservative Jewish MPs v 5 Jewish Labour MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians#British_MPs

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    The above link seems to contradict this, as it names five Jewish Conservative MPs who were serving in 1966. (The number, again using the link above, went from 5 to 13 in the 1970 Tory landslide election). I checked the five members. One might be a troll's link, but the other four check out, three are very obviously Jewish, and the fourth doesn't say but gave his many kids very Jewy names.

    to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
     
    Not surprised to see a MacDonald follower seemingly making up statistics that can be quickly refuted on wikipedia. Both the 2 Conservative and 38 Labour figures seem to be wrong.
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  70. Mishra says:

    Netanyahu today, with big-screen display of the evidence!

    Say, isn’t Bibi supposed to be in prison?

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    In the past 16 months politics has closely hewed to the storyline of season 6 of "Homeland."
    , @Jack D
    The Israelis broke into Iran's secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist - if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?
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  71. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous

    The most socioeconomically-competent Muslims are Malays and Iranians
     
    I'll give you Iranians, but Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.

    The best overall are probably Lebanese.
     
    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.

    Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.

    True, but Malays are able to

    * Refrain from killing their golden goose
    * Make full and effective use of their golden goose
    * Prevent their golden goose from getting too uppity

    Which is more than you can say of Filipinos, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesians, et al. For Muslims (again—Muslims) that’s about as socioeconomically-competent as it gets. Most Muslim ethnies would be batting 0/3. Winning the Konfrontasi was also pretty darn impressive by Muslim standards.

    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.

    Christians are more competent than Muslims pretty much across the board (e.g. the black Christian south Sudanese have repeatedly kicked the asses of the numerically-superior, Arab/black-mulatto north Sudanese), but, while Lebanese Muslims still don’t match Maronites pound-for-pound, they were able to defeat them. That’s pretty competent for Muslims. They benefited from substantial Syrian aid, yes, but the Christians benefited from equally-substantial Israeli aid.

    Hezbollah is pretty clearly the most competent Muslim terrorist/paramilitary organization. They have a winning record against both the Israeli and US militaries, which is impressive by any standard. They are the terrorist gold standard for ambitious and logistically-complex operations, holding physical territory and building international influence networks. They are also now arguably the strongest entity in Syria, as well as Lebanon.

    I don’t know a whole lot about Sunni Lebanese, other than they’ve produced some pretty competent politicos in the Hariri family, and seem to be influential at least in proportion to their numbers in the economic and political spheres. Which again points to high levels of competence by Muslim standards.

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    Malaysia as the most competently governed Muslim-dominated country seems pretty plausible.

    For whatever reason, it's not as overpopulated as the rest of Southeast Asia, which perhaps gives it a little breathing room to come up with policies that don't push any one group beyond what they will tolerate.

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  72. Lot says:
    @DIscharged EE
    "In Britain Jews have always been right of center, and Disraeli was a Conservative. Jews voted more for Conservatives and less for Labour in the last election than any other group. "

    Lot, your assertion is very incorrect.
    1)per Margaret Thatcher, Honorary Jew--see link below, in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs --about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had "just" two.

    2) I lack an immediate cite, but by 1986 there were a total of 36 MPs and 35 were Jewish, and about five were in Thatcher's inner cabinet.

    This switching of parties reflects a general abandonment by Jews of the Left for the rising "conservative" parties--see also the neoCons joining the Republican party in the 1970's. The switch also illustrates Jews as "flexible strategizers" to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
    As for a majority of Jews voting for the "Conservatives" hardly means much since the Conservatives wont do anything for legacy Britons on the key issues of immigration and affordable family formation. Additionally, the then Tory leader Cameron, (of Jewish descent), was proud to tell the Knesset that he would never "question any steps Israel takes to secure itself" while never offering legacy Britons that reassurance

    https://www.amazon.com/Margaret-Thatcher-Honorary-Britains-Beliefs-ebook/dp/B0741PKY71

    Not sure how complete this list is, but it shows since 2010 there have been 11 Conservative Jewish MPs v 5 Jewish Labour MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians#British_MPs

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.

    The above link seems to contradict this, as it names five Jewish Conservative MPs who were serving in 1966. (The number, again using the link above, went from 5 to 13 in the 1970 Tory landslide election). I checked the five members. One might be a troll’s link, but the other four check out, three are very obviously Jewish, and the fourth doesn’t say but gave his many kids very Jewy names.

    to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.

    Not surprised to see a MacDonald follower seemingly making up statistics that can be quickly refuted on wikipedia. Both the 2 Conservative and 38 Labour figures seem to be wrong.

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    Lot:

    Since my first link to a well reviewed book did not satisfy you, and you seemed to accuse me of making up the data, here is another book, published by prestigious Oxford Clarendon Press. They, too, use the figure of 38 Jewish Labor MPs. The author candidly states that Jews switched as the Labor party became more pro Palestinian, (or perhaps just neutral. ) That self-interested reasoning mirrors the neo Con joining the Republican party

    https://www.amazon.com/Modern-British-Jewry-Geoffrey-Alderman/dp/019820759X

    From this point on, rather than an ad hominem insult can you offer serious data that my sources --well reviewed books written by members of the Establishment--are incorrect.

    , @reader2
    Commentary magazine states that there just 2 Conservative MPs from 1945 to 1970. see link
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/thatchers-jewish-brain-trust/
    , @Anon
    Wikipedia? Even 5 th graders are told not to believe Wikipedia.
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  73. snorlax says:
    @EdwardM
    Agree. Lebanese are the most prosperous, civilized Arabs -- but that is almost entirely the Christian subset of Lebanese. The Muslim majority are a basket case.

    See my reply to him.

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  74. @Lot
    Not sure how complete this list is, but it shows since 2010 there have been 11 Conservative Jewish MPs v 5 Jewish Labour MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians#British_MPs

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    The above link seems to contradict this, as it names five Jewish Conservative MPs who were serving in 1966. (The number, again using the link above, went from 5 to 13 in the 1970 Tory landslide election). I checked the five members. One might be a troll's link, but the other four check out, three are very obviously Jewish, and the fourth doesn't say but gave his many kids very Jewy names.

    to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
     
    Not surprised to see a MacDonald follower seemingly making up statistics that can be quickly refuted on wikipedia. Both the 2 Conservative and 38 Labour figures seem to be wrong.

    Lot:

    Since my first link to a well reviewed book did not satisfy you, and you seemed to accuse me of making up the data, here is another book, published by prestigious Oxford Clarendon Press. They, too, use the figure of 38 Jewish Labor MPs. The author candidly states that Jews switched as the Labor party became more pro Palestinian, (or perhaps just neutral. ) That self-interested reasoning mirrors the neo Con joining the Republican party

    https://www.amazon.com/Modern-British-Jewry-Geoffrey-Alderman/dp/019820759X

    From this point on, rather than an ad hominem insult can you offer serious data that my sources –well reviewed books written by members of the Establishment–are incorrect.

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    A link to an Amazon book does nothing. I clicked on it expecting it to open up on a particular page, but it did not. Regardless of what your book says, you stated something that was simply not true. Specifically, you said:

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    1. Gerald Nabarro was a Sephardi Jew who converted to Christianity at some point. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1973.

    2. Major General Sir Henry Joseph d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, 2nd Baronet, was not only a Jew, he was the son of the "President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews" and "Chairman for the Jewish Agency for Palestine in London" He was a conservative MP from 1955 to 1974.

    3. Sir Keith Joseph was from a Jewish family was a Conservative MP from 1956 to 1987, including serving in the cabinet of Heath and Thatcher, moving to the House of Lords in 1987 and serving there until his death in 1994.

    4. Sir Philip Goodhart was the son of a Jewish father and English mother. He gave five of his seven children common Jewish names, with another named after his his Jewish father: Arthur, Sarah, David, Rachel, Harriet, Rebecca and Daniel. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992. His son David Goodhart is one of the most prominent immigration restrictionists in the United Kingdom. Here is the first paragraph of a review of his 2013 book,

    There are two major problems with contemporary British society, according to David Goodhart in The British Dream, and both are primarily caused by immigration. The first problem is economic: the plight of the white working class, especially the young, and the decline of social mobility. Goodhart argues that low-skilled immigrants have taken jobs from unskilled natives, leaving them languishing on benefits, while high-skilled immigration reduces both the incentives and opportunities for ambitious and talented natives to move up the ladder. Many find this thesis convincing, and it has been accepted as fact by much of the political elite. There is, however, almost no evidence to support it. The second problem is social: the decline of a shared sense of community, local and national, which Goodhart relates to the failure of at least some immigrants to integrate, either ‘physically’ (where they live, who their kids go to school with, what language they speak and so on) or ‘mentally’ (in terms of the degree to which they identify with Britain, or share a common set of values). Some may think this argument has more force, but again, his conclusions far outrun the facts.
     
    David Goodhart states he is a member of England's "Jewish community" though I cannot find any direct reference to his father's self-identification.

    5. Harold Julian Amery, Baron Amery of Lustleigh was one-quarter Ashkenazi Jewish and a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992.

    So yeah, you are yet another MacDonaldist sprouting easily disproved statements about Jews to support an agenda that brings disrepute onto the nationalist right.
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  75. @Mishra
    Netanyahu today, with big-screen display of the evidence!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/30/20/4BB6489F00000578-0-image-m-23_1525118073038.jpg

    Say, isn't Bibi supposed to be in prison?

    In the past 16 months politics has closely hewed to the storyline of season 6 of “Homeland.”

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    Alas, I don't watch teevee so I will take your word for that!
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  76. @Jack D

    the community of Philly Jews can’t be that big
     
    There are around 275,000 Jews in the Philadelphia area and DePino isn't one of them.

    but Yaffe is.

    depino was the shabbatz goy.

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  77. Jack D says:
    @Mishra
    Netanyahu today, with big-screen display of the evidence!

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/30/20/4BB6489F00000578-0-image-m-23_1525118073038.jpg

    Say, isn't Bibi supposed to be in prison?

    The Israelis broke into Iran’s secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist – if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?

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    Good thing your heroic Israelis have never fabricated evidence. Say, to trick America into fighting their next war for them.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Jack D:

    We've all known for some time that the Arab World can be easily subverted by Israeli espionage and subversion. So I suppose it goes in spades for the Persians.

    And how the hell did the Israelis manage to cart off a 1/2 ton of evidence from right under the Iranian noses, although it's more likely to be of purely historical usage/value.
    , @Lot

    what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial?
     
    Much easier:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists
    , @J.Ross
    >intelligence coup
    >smuggling physical data storage across borders
    >2018
    And the best part is Iranians not noticing that it's missing until it's safely out of the country. I'm sure that after the exploding centrifuges they don't worry all that much about an entire secret library vanishing.
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  78. Mishra says:
    @Jack D
    The Israelis broke into Iran's secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist - if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?

    Good thing your heroic Israelis have never fabricated evidence. Say, to trick America into fighting their next war for them.

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  79. Mishra says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    In the past 16 months politics has closely hewed to the storyline of season 6 of "Homeland."

    Alas, I don’t watch teevee so I will take your word for that!

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  80. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jack D
    The Israelis broke into Iran's secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist - if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?

    Jack D:

    We’ve all known for some time that the Arab World can be easily subverted by Israeli espionage and subversion. So I suppose it goes in spades for the Persians.

    And how the hell did the Israelis manage to cart off a 1/2 ton of evidence from right under the Iranian noses, although it’s more likely to be of purely historical usage/value.

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    maybe the crazy old coot who lives up in the sky helped.
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  81. ADL’s status as a civil rights organization is compromised given its history and practices of anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Black racism

    I’d gladly buy Rebecca Vilkomerson a cup of coffee.

    Any enemy of the ADL is a friend of mine.

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    What about ADL’s pro rape anti rape victim history?
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  82. reader2 says:
    @Lot
    Not sure how complete this list is, but it shows since 2010 there have been 11 Conservative Jewish MPs v 5 Jewish Labour MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians#British_MPs

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    The above link seems to contradict this, as it names five Jewish Conservative MPs who were serving in 1966. (The number, again using the link above, went from 5 to 13 in the 1970 Tory landslide election). I checked the five members. One might be a troll's link, but the other four check out, three are very obviously Jewish, and the fourth doesn't say but gave his many kids very Jewy names.

    to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
     
    Not surprised to see a MacDonald follower seemingly making up statistics that can be quickly refuted on wikipedia. Both the 2 Conservative and 38 Labour figures seem to be wrong.

    Commentary magazine states that there just 2 Conservative MPs from 1945 to 1970. see link

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/thatchers-jewish-brain-trust/

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  83. @snorlax

    Malays are only where they are in terms of development because of their Chinese minority, who they let live in exchange for kissing the ring and keeping the trough full.
     
    True, but Malays are able to

    * Refrain from killing their golden goose
    * Make full and effective use of their golden goose
    * Prevent their golden goose from getting too uppity

    Which is more than you can say of Filipinos, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesians, et al. For Muslims (again—Muslims) that's about as socioeconomically-competent as it gets. Most Muslim ethnies would be batting 0/3. Winning the Konfrontasi was also pretty darn impressive by Muslim standards.

    Again, basically the same statement but with Chinese replaced by Maronites and Armenians.
     
    Christians are more competent than Muslims pretty much across the board (e.g. the black Christian south Sudanese have repeatedly kicked the asses of the numerically-superior, Arab/black-mulatto north Sudanese), but, while Lebanese Muslims still don't match Maronites pound-for-pound, they were able to defeat them. That's pretty competent for Muslims. They benefited from substantial Syrian aid, yes, but the Christians benefited from equally-substantial Israeli aid.

    Hezbollah is pretty clearly the most competent Muslim terrorist/paramilitary organization. They have a winning record against both the Israeli and US militaries, which is impressive by any standard. They are the terrorist gold standard for ambitious and logistically-complex operations, holding physical territory and building international influence networks. They are also now arguably the strongest entity in Syria, as well as Lebanon.

    I don't know a whole lot about Sunni Lebanese, other than they've produced some pretty competent politicos in the Hariri family, and seem to be influential at least in proportion to their numbers in the economic and political spheres. Which again points to high levels of competence by Muslim standards.

    Malaysia as the most competently governed Muslim-dominated country seems pretty plausible.

    For whatever reason, it’s not as overpopulated as the rest of Southeast Asia, which perhaps gives it a little breathing room to come up with policies that don’t push any one group beyond what they will tolerate.

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  84. Yngvar says:
    @syonredux

    Other groups in the consulting role include those combating anti-Muslim, anti-LGBT and anti-Latino bigotry.
     
    Odd. A good chunk of the staff at every Starbucks I've ever been in has been "LGBTQ"......

    And hasn't someone founded an "anti-Hindu bigotry" organization yet?

    The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect was founded one minute or so after the copyright ran out. It’s 70 years since Mahatma Gandhi died, so on midnight 1/1/19 the name is “free”. Want to become a millionaire? Then The Mahatma Gandhi Center for Crushing Bigotry is in your future.

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    It is even worse than that, they falsely claim to have been founded in 1957 by Otto Frank, when in fact a couple people took over a small museum in New York, shut the museum down, fired all the staff, and became a PR/fundraising operation SPLC style, but smaller.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/anne-frank-center/524055/
    , @Anon
    How about the Mahatma Ghandi diet?
    Alternate a day of fasting eating nothing with a day of eating 6 ounces of rice and drinking nothing but urine.

    Wither away to a living skeleton.
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  85. Lot says:
    @DIscharged EE
    Lot:

    Since my first link to a well reviewed book did not satisfy you, and you seemed to accuse me of making up the data, here is another book, published by prestigious Oxford Clarendon Press. They, too, use the figure of 38 Jewish Labor MPs. The author candidly states that Jews switched as the Labor party became more pro Palestinian, (or perhaps just neutral. ) That self-interested reasoning mirrors the neo Con joining the Republican party

    https://www.amazon.com/Modern-British-Jewry-Geoffrey-Alderman/dp/019820759X

    From this point on, rather than an ad hominem insult can you offer serious data that my sources --well reviewed books written by members of the Establishment--are incorrect.

    A link to an Amazon book does nothing. I clicked on it expecting it to open up on a particular page, but it did not. Regardless of what your book says, you stated something that was simply not true. Specifically, you said:

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.

    1. Gerald Nabarro was a Sephardi Jew who converted to Christianity at some point. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1973.

    2. Major General Sir Henry Joseph d’Avigdor-Goldsmid, 2nd Baronet, was not only a Jew, he was the son of the “President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews” and “Chairman for the Jewish Agency for Palestine in London” He was a conservative MP from 1955 to 1974.

    3. Sir Keith Joseph was from a Jewish family was a Conservative MP from 1956 to 1987, including serving in the cabinet of Heath and Thatcher, moving to the House of Lords in 1987 and serving there until his death in 1994.

    4. Sir Philip Goodhart was the son of a Jewish father and English mother. He gave five of his seven children common Jewish names, with another named after his his Jewish father: Arthur, Sarah, David, Rachel, Harriet, Rebecca and Daniel. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992. His son David Goodhart is one of the most prominent immigration restrictionists in the United Kingdom. Here is the first paragraph of a review of his 2013 book,

    There are two major problems with contemporary British society, according to David Goodhart in The British Dream, and both are primarily caused by immigration. The first problem is economic: the plight of the white working class, especially the young, and the decline of social mobility. Goodhart argues that low-skilled immigrants have taken jobs from unskilled natives, leaving them languishing on benefits, while high-skilled immigration reduces both the incentives and opportunities for ambitious and talented natives to move up the ladder. Many find this thesis convincing, and it has been accepted as fact by much of the political elite. There is, however, almost no evidence to support it. The second problem is social: the decline of a shared sense of community, local and national, which Goodhart relates to the failure of at least some immigrants to integrate, either ‘physically’ (where they live, who their kids go to school with, what language they speak and so on) or ‘mentally’ (in terms of the degree to which they identify with Britain, or share a common set of values). Some may think this argument has more force, but again, his conclusions far outrun the facts.

    David Goodhart states he is a member of England’s “Jewish community” though I cannot find any direct reference to his father’s self-identification.

    5. Harold Julian Amery, Baron Amery of Lustleigh was one-quarter Ashkenazi Jewish and a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992.

    So yeah, you are yet another MacDonaldist sprouting easily disproved statements about Jews to support an agenda that brings disrepute onto the nationalist right.

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    Leo Amery was an important parliamentary ally of Churchill in the late 1930s fight against appeasement. It's pretty easy to concoct an alternative history in which Amery rather than Churchill is the Prime Minister who wins WWII.
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  86. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    The Israelis broke into Iran's secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist - if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?

    what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial?

    Much easier:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists

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  87. @Lot
    A link to an Amazon book does nothing. I clicked on it expecting it to open up on a particular page, but it did not. Regardless of what your book says, you stated something that was simply not true. Specifically, you said:

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    1. Gerald Nabarro was a Sephardi Jew who converted to Christianity at some point. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1973.

    2. Major General Sir Henry Joseph d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, 2nd Baronet, was not only a Jew, he was the son of the "President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews" and "Chairman for the Jewish Agency for Palestine in London" He was a conservative MP from 1955 to 1974.

    3. Sir Keith Joseph was from a Jewish family was a Conservative MP from 1956 to 1987, including serving in the cabinet of Heath and Thatcher, moving to the House of Lords in 1987 and serving there until his death in 1994.

    4. Sir Philip Goodhart was the son of a Jewish father and English mother. He gave five of his seven children common Jewish names, with another named after his his Jewish father: Arthur, Sarah, David, Rachel, Harriet, Rebecca and Daniel. He was a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992. His son David Goodhart is one of the most prominent immigration restrictionists in the United Kingdom. Here is the first paragraph of a review of his 2013 book,

    There are two major problems with contemporary British society, according to David Goodhart in The British Dream, and both are primarily caused by immigration. The first problem is economic: the plight of the white working class, especially the young, and the decline of social mobility. Goodhart argues that low-skilled immigrants have taken jobs from unskilled natives, leaving them languishing on benefits, while high-skilled immigration reduces both the incentives and opportunities for ambitious and talented natives to move up the ladder. Many find this thesis convincing, and it has been accepted as fact by much of the political elite. There is, however, almost no evidence to support it. The second problem is social: the decline of a shared sense of community, local and national, which Goodhart relates to the failure of at least some immigrants to integrate, either ‘physically’ (where they live, who their kids go to school with, what language they speak and so on) or ‘mentally’ (in terms of the degree to which they identify with Britain, or share a common set of values). Some may think this argument has more force, but again, his conclusions far outrun the facts.
     
    David Goodhart states he is a member of England's "Jewish community" though I cannot find any direct reference to his father's self-identification.

    5. Harold Julian Amery, Baron Amery of Lustleigh was one-quarter Ashkenazi Jewish and a Conservative MP from 1950 to 1992.

    So yeah, you are yet another MacDonaldist sprouting easily disproved statements about Jews to support an agenda that brings disrepute onto the nationalist right.

    Leo Amery was an important parliamentary ally of Churchill in the late 1930s fight against appeasement. It’s pretty easy to concoct an alternative history in which Amery rather than Churchill is the Prime Minister who wins WWII.

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    I had never heard of him, and reading about him is a depressing reminder of how common greatness was during the 1870-1914 demographic, eugenic, and cultural peak of the West compared to now.

    - he could speak Hindi at 3

    - He could converse in French, German, Italian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Serbian and Hungarian

    - Amery was the only correspondent to visit Boer forces and was nearly captured with Churchill

    - In The Times he penned articles attacking free trade using the pseudonym "Tariff Reformer" and in 1906, he wrote The Fundamental Fallacies of Free Trade.

    - During the First World War, Amery's knowledge of Hungarian led to his employment as an Intelligence Officer in the Balkans campaign.

    - he helped draft the Balfour Declaration, 1917. He also encouraged Ze'ev Jabotinsky in the formation of the Jewish Legion for the British Army in Palestine.

    - Amery was opposed to the Constitution of the League of Nations because he believed that the world was not equal and so the League, which granted all states equal voting rights was absurd.

    - He was First Lord of the Admiralty (1922–1924) under Bonar Law and Stanley Baldwin

    - was Colonial Secretary in Baldwin's government from 1924 to 1929.

    - In the 1930s, he was a member of the Empire Industries Association and a chief organiser of the huge rally celebrating the empire at the Royal Albert Hall in 1936

    - Amery maintained a very busy speaking schedule, with almost 200 engagements between 1936 and 1938

    - Among his directorships were the boards of several German metal fabrication companies ... In the course of his duties as a director of German metal fabrication companies, Amery gained a good understanding of German military potential. ... Amery had spent a lot of time in Germany during the 1930s in connection with his work. He was not allowed to send his director's fees out of the country so he took his family on holiday in the Bavarian Alps. He had a lengthy meeting with Hitler on at least one occasion, and he met at length with Czech leader Edvard Beneš, Austrian leaders Engelbert Dollfuss and Kurt von Schuschnigg and Italian leader Benito Mussolini.

    - On the rearmament question, Amery was consistent. He advocated a higher level of expenditure, but also a reappraisal of priorities through the creation of a top-level cabinet position to develop overall defence strategy so that the increased expenditures could be spent wisely.

    - It is commonly believed that when Chamberlain announced his flight to Munich to the cheers of the House, Amery was one of only four members who remained seated (the others were Churchill, Anthony Eden, and Harold Nicolson)

    - Amery famously attacked Chamberlain's government in a devastating speech, finishing by quoting Oliver Cromwell: "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" Lloyd George afterwards told Amery that in 50 years, he had heard few speeches that matched his in sustained power and none with so dramatic a climax.

    - During the war Amery was Secretary of State for India

    - Amery was a noted sportsman, especially famous as a mountaineer. He continued to climb well into his sixties, especially in the Swiss Alps but also in Bavaria, Austria, Yugoslavia, Italy and the Canadian Rockies, where Mount Amery is named after him.

    And after all that...

    - At the 1945 general election, Amery lost his seat to Labour's Percy Shurmer, a Post Office worker.
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  88. Lot says:
    @Yngvar
    The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect was founded one minute or so after the copyright ran out. It's 70 years since Mahatma Gandhi died, so on midnight 1/1/19 the name is "free". Want to become a millionaire? Then The Mahatma Gandhi Center for Crushing Bigotry is in your future.

    It is even worse than that, they falsely claim to have been founded in 1957 by Otto Frank, when in fact a couple people took over a small museum in New York, shut the museum down, fired all the staff, and became a PR/fundraising operation SPLC style, but smaller.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/anne-frank-center/524055/

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  89. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D
    The Israelis broke into Iran's secret nuclear archive in the center of Teheran, stole 1/2 a ton of files and CDs, took them out of the country and brought them to Jerusalem. The Iranians always claimed that they had no nuclear weapons program but it turns out they were lying. Who could have imagined that they would lie about such a thing?

    Whether you think Bibi should be in jail or not, you have to admit that is an intelligence coup. That the Israelis did this and publicly announced it has to be humiliating to the Republican Guards. Who among them is the traitor, the Israeli spy? If the Israelis get lucky the Iranians will execute a whole bunch of loyal Iranians out of suspicion. This has to mess with the head of Khamenei and every Iranian nuclear scientist - if the Israelis can smuggle 1/2 a ton of files out of the middle of Teheran then what is too keep them from bringing any Iranian to Jerusalem for an Eichmann style trial? Or maybe one day you wake up dead because the Israelis have put a bomb in your bed?

    >intelligence coup
    >smuggling physical data storage across borders
    >2018
    And the best part is Iranians not noticing that it’s missing until it’s safely out of the country. I’m sure that after the exploding centrifuges they don’t worry all that much about an entire secret library vanishing.

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  90. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Leo Amery was an important parliamentary ally of Churchill in the late 1930s fight against appeasement. It's pretty easy to concoct an alternative history in which Amery rather than Churchill is the Prime Minister who wins WWII.

    I had never heard of him, and reading about him is a depressing reminder of how common greatness was during the 1870-1914 demographic, eugenic, and cultural peak of the West compared to now.

    - he could speak Hindi at 3

    - He could converse in French, German, Italian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Serbian and Hungarian

    - Amery was the only correspondent to visit Boer forces and was nearly captured with Churchill

    - In The Times he penned articles attacking free trade using the pseudonym “Tariff Reformer” and in 1906, he wrote The Fundamental Fallacies of Free Trade.

    - During the First World War, Amery’s knowledge of Hungarian led to his employment as an Intelligence Officer in the Balkans campaign.

    - he helped draft the Balfour Declaration, 1917. He also encouraged Ze’ev Jabotinsky in the formation of the Jewish Legion for the British Army in Palestine.

    - Amery was opposed to the Constitution of the League of Nations because he believed that the world was not equal and so the League, which granted all states equal voting rights was absurd.

    - He was First Lord of the Admiralty (1922–1924) under Bonar Law and Stanley Baldwin

    - was Colonial Secretary in Baldwin’s government from 1924 to 1929.

    - In the 1930s, he was a member of the Empire Industries Association and a chief organiser of the huge rally celebrating the empire at the Royal Albert Hall in 1936

    - Amery maintained a very busy speaking schedule, with almost 200 engagements between 1936 and 1938

    - Among his directorships were the boards of several German metal fabrication companies … In the course of his duties as a director of German metal fabrication companies, Amery gained a good understanding of German military potential. … Amery had spent a lot of time in Germany during the 1930s in connection with his work. He was not allowed to send his director’s fees out of the country so he took his family on holiday in the Bavarian Alps. He had a lengthy meeting with Hitler on at least one occasion, and he met at length with Czech leader Edvard Beneš, Austrian leaders Engelbert Dollfuss and Kurt von Schuschnigg and Italian leader Benito Mussolini.

    - On the rearmament question, Amery was consistent. He advocated a higher level of expenditure, but also a reappraisal of priorities through the creation of a top-level cabinet position to develop overall defence strategy so that the increased expenditures could be spent wisely.

    - It is commonly believed that when Chamberlain announced his flight to Munich to the cheers of the House, Amery was one of only four members who remained seated (the others were Churchill, Anthony Eden, and Harold Nicolson)

    - Amery famously attacked Chamberlain’s government in a devastating speech, finishing by quoting Oliver Cromwell: “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!” Lloyd George afterwards told Amery that in 50 years, he had heard few speeches that matched his in sustained power and none with so dramatic a climax.

    - During the war Amery was Secretary of State for India

    - Amery was a noted sportsman, especially famous as a mountaineer. He continued to climb well into his sixties, especially in the Swiss Alps but also in Bavaria, Austria, Yugoslavia, Italy and the Canadian Rockies, where Mount Amery is named after him.

    And after all that…

    - At the 1945 general election, Amery lost his seat to Labour’s Percy Shurmer, a Post Office worker.

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    Oliver Cromwell , who shipped one quarter of the Catholic population of Ireland to the Caribbean and America as chattel slaves, not indentured servants simply because they were Catholics?

    Oliver Cromwell who made it illegal for Irish Catholics to:

    1. fish

    2 own more than 1 cow.

    3 own more than 4 pigs

    4 own any horse more than 5 pounds

    5 own even the tiniest bit of real estate

    6 work at every profession and occupation but 2, unskilled farm worker and attorney for some reason.

    7 made and enforced the law that any wanna be Jew Old Testament bible thimper could confiscate any calves foals baby pigs whatever born on a Catholic farm

    These and other laws made and enforced for just one reason; starving the Catholics to death to avoid the trouble of massacring them

    That Oliver Cromwell may he burn in hell forever and ever amen?

    The greatest archive of the European people, the 2,000 year old library, museum and European art and music is still there in the Vatican, more glorious than ever.

    The wanna be Jew Old Testament obsessed bible thumpers like Cromwell have disappeared from Europe and survive only in black ghetto and hoot and holler speaking in tongues hillbilly churches in America.

    , @Jack D
    And yet his son was a virulent anti-Semite who went over to the Nazis and after the war was hanged for treason. The son was also a male prostitute and had (in succession) several wives, all of whom were also prostitutes. He was the archetypal bad seed, nothing but trouble his whole life.
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  91. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @bjdubbs
    Depino has the perfect resume for just this kind of guerilla marketing hoax. She runs a 15-person marketing consultancy called Think Leapfrog that provides marketing to non-profits:

    Having served the non-profit sector as a marketer for more than two decades, including seven years as a communications director for Temple University, where she helped to more than double philanthropic support, Melissa leads her Leapfrog team with enthusiasm, passion, and pride.

    Of course she cooked this up, she's a pro PR person.

    Well said.

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  92. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I had never heard of him, and reading about him is a depressing reminder of how common greatness was during the 1870-1914 demographic, eugenic, and cultural peak of the West compared to now.

    - he could speak Hindi at 3

    - He could converse in French, German, Italian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Serbian and Hungarian

    - Amery was the only correspondent to visit Boer forces and was nearly captured with Churchill

    - In The Times he penned articles attacking free trade using the pseudonym "Tariff Reformer" and in 1906, he wrote The Fundamental Fallacies of Free Trade.

    - During the First World War, Amery's knowledge of Hungarian led to his employment as an Intelligence Officer in the Balkans campaign.

    - he helped draft the Balfour Declaration, 1917. He also encouraged Ze'ev Jabotinsky in the formation of the Jewish Legion for the British Army in Palestine.

    - Amery was opposed to the Constitution of the League of Nations because he believed that the world was not equal and so the League, which granted all states equal voting rights was absurd.

    - He was First Lord of the Admiralty (1922–1924) under Bonar Law and Stanley Baldwin

    - was Colonial Secretary in Baldwin's government from 1924 to 1929.

    - In the 1930s, he was a member of the Empire Industries Association and a chief organiser of the huge rally celebrating the empire at the Royal Albert Hall in 1936

    - Amery maintained a very busy speaking schedule, with almost 200 engagements between 1936 and 1938

    - Among his directorships were the boards of several German metal fabrication companies ... In the course of his duties as a director of German metal fabrication companies, Amery gained a good understanding of German military potential. ... Amery had spent a lot of time in Germany during the 1930s in connection with his work. He was not allowed to send his director's fees out of the country so he took his family on holiday in the Bavarian Alps. He had a lengthy meeting with Hitler on at least one occasion, and he met at length with Czech leader Edvard Beneš, Austrian leaders Engelbert Dollfuss and Kurt von Schuschnigg and Italian leader Benito Mussolini.

    - On the rearmament question, Amery was consistent. He advocated a higher level of expenditure, but also a reappraisal of priorities through the creation of a top-level cabinet position to develop overall defence strategy so that the increased expenditures could be spent wisely.

    - It is commonly believed that when Chamberlain announced his flight to Munich to the cheers of the House, Amery was one of only four members who remained seated (the others were Churchill, Anthony Eden, and Harold Nicolson)

    - Amery famously attacked Chamberlain's government in a devastating speech, finishing by quoting Oliver Cromwell: "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" Lloyd George afterwards told Amery that in 50 years, he had heard few speeches that matched his in sustained power and none with so dramatic a climax.

    - During the war Amery was Secretary of State for India

    - Amery was a noted sportsman, especially famous as a mountaineer. He continued to climb well into his sixties, especially in the Swiss Alps but also in Bavaria, Austria, Yugoslavia, Italy and the Canadian Rockies, where Mount Amery is named after him.

    And after all that...

    - At the 1945 general election, Amery lost his seat to Labour's Percy Shurmer, a Post Office worker.

    Oliver Cromwell , who shipped one quarter of the Catholic population of Ireland to the Caribbean and America as chattel slaves, not indentured servants simply because they were Catholics?

    Oliver Cromwell who made it illegal for Irish Catholics to:

    1. fish

    2 own more than 1 cow.

    3 own more than 4 pigs

    4 own any horse more than 5 pounds

    5 own even the tiniest bit of real estate

    6 work at every profession and occupation but 2, unskilled farm worker and attorney for some reason.

    7 made and enforced the law that any wanna be Jew Old Testament bible thimper could confiscate any calves foals baby pigs whatever born on a Catholic farm

    These and other laws made and enforced for just one reason; starving the Catholics to death to avoid the trouble of massacring them

    That Oliver Cromwell may he burn in hell forever and ever amen?

    The greatest archive of the European people, the 2,000 year old library, museum and European art and music is still there in the Vatican, more glorious than ever.

    The wanna be Jew Old Testament obsessed bible thumpers like Cromwell have disappeared from Europe and survive only in black ghetto and hoot and holler speaking in tongues hillbilly churches in America.

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  93. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yngvar
    The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect was founded one minute or so after the copyright ran out. It's 70 years since Mahatma Gandhi died, so on midnight 1/1/19 the name is "free". Want to become a millionaire? Then The Mahatma Gandhi Center for Crushing Bigotry is in your future.

    How about the Mahatma Ghandi diet?
    Alternate a day of fasting eating nothing with a day of eating 6 ounces of rice and drinking nothing but urine.

    Wither away to a living skeleton.

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  94. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Gruskos

    ADL’s status as a civil rights organization is compromised given its history and practices of anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Black racism
     
    I'd gladly buy Rebecca Vilkomerson a cup of coffee.

    Any enemy of the ADL is a friend of mine.

    What about ADL’s pro rape anti rape victim history?

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  95. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Jack D:

    We've all known for some time that the Arab World can be easily subverted by Israeli espionage and subversion. So I suppose it goes in spades for the Persians.

    And how the hell did the Israelis manage to cart off a 1/2 ton of evidence from right under the Iranian noses, although it's more likely to be of purely historical usage/value.

    maybe the crazy old coot who lives up in the sky helped.

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  96. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Not sure how complete this list is, but it shows since 2010 there have been 11 Conservative Jewish MPs v 5 Jewish Labour MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jewish_politicians#British_MPs

    in 1966 Labor had 38 Jewish MPs –about 11% of the parliamentary part in the Commons. The Tories had “just” two.
     
    The above link seems to contradict this, as it names five Jewish Conservative MPs who were serving in 1966. (The number, again using the link above, went from 5 to 13 in the 1970 Tory landslide election). I checked the five members. One might be a troll's link, but the other four check out, three are very obviously Jewish, and the fourth doesn't say but gave his many kids very Jewy names.

    to re-use a phrase from K MacDonald.
     
    Not surprised to see a MacDonald follower seemingly making up statistics that can be quickly refuted on wikipedia. Both the 2 Conservative and 38 Labour figures seem to be wrong.

    Wikipedia? Even 5 th graders are told not to believe Wikipedia.

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    Anon[208]:

    Freeman Dyson: "Wikipedia - Nobody trusts it; Everybody uses it".

    Unfortunately, all too true!
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  97. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe the table at which the blacks guys were loitering should be carefully removed and displayed at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History alongside the Woolworth lunch counter from Greensboro, NC, that four African Americans desegregated in 1960.

    Surely this too is an important course-correction as the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice.

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/greensboro-lunch-counter

    Elderly black woman I knew worked at a Woolworths lunch counter in Alabama back when she was young. She told me that black customers used to steal the tips.

    She was a school teacher and assistant principal.

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  98. Jack D says:
    @Lot
    I had never heard of him, and reading about him is a depressing reminder of how common greatness was during the 1870-1914 demographic, eugenic, and cultural peak of the West compared to now.

    - he could speak Hindi at 3

    - He could converse in French, German, Italian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Serbian and Hungarian

    - Amery was the only correspondent to visit Boer forces and was nearly captured with Churchill

    - In The Times he penned articles attacking free trade using the pseudonym "Tariff Reformer" and in 1906, he wrote The Fundamental Fallacies of Free Trade.

    - During the First World War, Amery's knowledge of Hungarian led to his employment as an Intelligence Officer in the Balkans campaign.

    - he helped draft the Balfour Declaration, 1917. He also encouraged Ze'ev Jabotinsky in the formation of the Jewish Legion for the British Army in Palestine.

    - Amery was opposed to the Constitution of the League of Nations because he believed that the world was not equal and so the League, which granted all states equal voting rights was absurd.

    - He was First Lord of the Admiralty (1922–1924) under Bonar Law and Stanley Baldwin

    - was Colonial Secretary in Baldwin's government from 1924 to 1929.

    - In the 1930s, he was a member of the Empire Industries Association and a chief organiser of the huge rally celebrating the empire at the Royal Albert Hall in 1936

    - Amery maintained a very busy speaking schedule, with almost 200 engagements between 1936 and 1938

    - Among his directorships were the boards of several German metal fabrication companies ... In the course of his duties as a director of German metal fabrication companies, Amery gained a good understanding of German military potential. ... Amery had spent a lot of time in Germany during the 1930s in connection with his work. He was not allowed to send his director's fees out of the country so he took his family on holiday in the Bavarian Alps. He had a lengthy meeting with Hitler on at least one occasion, and he met at length with Czech leader Edvard Beneš, Austrian leaders Engelbert Dollfuss and Kurt von Schuschnigg and Italian leader Benito Mussolini.

    - On the rearmament question, Amery was consistent. He advocated a higher level of expenditure, but also a reappraisal of priorities through the creation of a top-level cabinet position to develop overall defence strategy so that the increased expenditures could be spent wisely.

    - It is commonly believed that when Chamberlain announced his flight to Munich to the cheers of the House, Amery was one of only four members who remained seated (the others were Churchill, Anthony Eden, and Harold Nicolson)

    - Amery famously attacked Chamberlain's government in a devastating speech, finishing by quoting Oliver Cromwell: "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" Lloyd George afterwards told Amery that in 50 years, he had heard few speeches that matched his in sustained power and none with so dramatic a climax.

    - During the war Amery was Secretary of State for India

    - Amery was a noted sportsman, especially famous as a mountaineer. He continued to climb well into his sixties, especially in the Swiss Alps but also in Bavaria, Austria, Yugoslavia, Italy and the Canadian Rockies, where Mount Amery is named after him.

    And after all that...

    - At the 1945 general election, Amery lost his seat to Labour's Percy Shurmer, a Post Office worker.

    And yet his son was a virulent anti-Semite who went over to the Nazis and after the war was hanged for treason. The son was also a male prostitute and had (in succession) several wives, all of whom were also prostitutes. He was the archetypal bad seed, nothing but trouble his whole life.

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  99. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon
    Wikipedia? Even 5 th graders are told not to believe Wikipedia.

    Anon[208]:

    Freeman Dyson: “Wikipedia – Nobody trusts it; Everybody uses it”.

    Unfortunately, all too true!

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  100. MBlanc46 says:
    @Bill B.

    I have a dream that one day, Jewish-Americans will be free — free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, we are free at last — to sit down at a Starbucks lunch counter and order an Iced Skinny Cinnamon Dolce Latte.
     
    Or, of course, just wonder in to sit down and use the toilets without buying anything.

    As mentioned by others non-customers wondering in, or customers hogging tables, can really kill a coffee shop. In modern Asia students and school kids will "claim" their table for a whole day by putting books on it even when they are away most of the time. Company groups will hold staff meetings for a couple of hours for the "price" of a couple of coffees. Street stall owners will wonder in at whim to use the bathrooms.

    They try to fight back with notices shaming such behavior and by putting cards warning against this on the tables. Not always to great effect.

    There is, I suggest, at least a solution in the West to sketchy characters simply sitting down not buying anything: play Mozart.

    I wonder as I wander?

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