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C’mon, ACLU, think big! Instead of just funding more Starbucks-style Diversity Sensitivity Training, we need legislation making it illegal for whites to call the cops on blacks.

Let’s dream of a future for our grandchildren like this:

Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”

9-11: “Is he black?”

Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”

9-11: “You sound white. Are you white?”

Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”

9-11: [Click]

9-11: [Dialtone]

We could call it The Above-the-Law Law.

Here would be a good spokesman for the Above-the-Law Law: Bob Loblaw.

“Why should YOU got to jail for a crime SOMEONE ELSE noticed?”

 
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  1. I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can’t figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s “disrespectful” is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers “very fine people,” while calling Black NFL players “sons of bitches” for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn’t require blindness to America’s failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players’ voices and rescind this new policy immediately.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Were they always this insane?
     
    Yes: https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/06/civil-liberties-and-single-reactionary.html

    Or, rather, no, they started off insane and now are even more insane.
    , @Mr. Anon
    In America, the right to own (and sometimes, carry) firearms is a civil right.

    Have the ACLU ever defended 2nd amendment rights?
    , @Ed
    I’m sorry you haven’t really been paying attention then. Just about every liberal institution has gone full SJW which means adopting any insane idea that sprouts forth from Twitter. It also means never chiding or disagreeing with aggrieved minorities, in particular blacks.

    On Twitter even Dictionary.com has developed a rep for snarky SJW tweets. The ACLU is just following its base I suppose.
    , @El Dato

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee ...
     
    Because playing for the NFL is practically slavery. It's only lucky that the racist owners do not have the players' balls removed.
    , @julius caesar
    Conquest’s Second Law

    Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
    , @Jake
    The ACLU as a whole gets more insane every decade. Originally, its many insane leaders and members were constrained by the common sense legacy of the past. But, the ACLU, like every other group that was not grounded firmly, kept pushing the envelope.
    , @Big Bill
    They have always been serious.

    Roger Nash Baldwin, the famous founder of the ACLU, explained that the goal was to fight for civil liberties until the dictatorship of the proletariat was achieved and the state withered away. At which point civil liberties would disappear. Google "Roger Baldwin quotes".

    More recently Herbert Marcuse expressed the same sentiment in his writings on "repressive tolerance". Preach toleration until you achieve power, then repress dissent.

    Even more recently, Erdogan explained the same transitional nature of democracy, in his quote that [paraphrasing], " democracy is like a bus, you ride it to your destination and then you get off."

    Civil liberties and democracy, generally, are tools to be used against the class enemy (e.g. Whites, infidels, Mensheviks, whatever) to destroy their hegemony until Communism (or the Caliphate) arrive.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization.
     
    I joined the ACLU in 1993. I did not renew my membership in '94, due to the fact that virtually the sole issue they seemed preoccupied with at that time, was "defending affirmative action". That almost sounds made-up, but that's the impression I got from reading the newsletters they were sending me.
    , @Yngvar

    President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers “very fine people”
     
    This is not what in the realm of reality would be considered true.

    ps
    Mr. Sailer, only the person called would get the [dialtone]. For the caller it's silence after a hang-up.
    Yeah, I know, spergy.

    , @International Jew

    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.
     
    Me too, early 80s. I even worked their phone hotline. It was for people to report violations of their civil liberties. A valid-sounding case came in now and tben but mostly it was people disgruntled over getting fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for perfectly legitimate reasons.

    As for the right to not stand at attention for the national anthem, I'd have more sympathy for that, if it weren't for the fact the left insists on us standing at solemn attention for their causes: try "disrespecting" trannies, blacks, "immigrants" or Muslims.
  2. It might go something more like this:

    “Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: “OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way.”
    Witness: “Uh, ok…”

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness’ Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: “HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!”

    Witness: “It’s just my phone – Don’t shoot! I’m on with the 911 dispa…” *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • LOL: Mishra, Kylie
    • Replies: @bomag
    Or the witness will be un-personed and shipped off to a gulag.
    , @Anonymous
    Sounds like the fatal shooting of Justine Damond in Minneapolis by Officer Mohamed Noor.
  3. It might go something more like this::

    “Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: “OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way.”
    Witness: “Uh, ok…”

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness’ Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: “HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!”

    Witness: “It’s just my phone – Don’t shoot! I’m on with the 911 dispa…” *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That is about more like it, [email protected] It seems like, of the "First Responders", and I write that term with derision, the cops will be the first to come no matter who you call 9-1-1 for. Whatever has happened, there's gotta be a ticket in it somewhere.
    , @Anonymous
    It was funnier the first time.
  4. The vast majority of calls to the police about black behavior and misbehavior are from other blacks. There is no one in my town calling 911 to report a shooting in inner city Buffalo.

  5. I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does – just based on name: “American” and “Liberties”.

    • Replies: @donut
    Fool , most elderly people have to budget for a postage stamp .
    , @TTSSYF
    I think it's more likely that they are funded by a few very wealthy Lefties, like Steyer, etc. No way do most elderly people contribute to anything, much less to the ACLU (in my experience).
    , @Wilkey
    I'll just post the appropriate quote regarding cops and blacks so that no one else has to:

    "The justice system doesn't exist to protect the law-abiding from criminals. It exists to protect criminals from the law-abiding."

    If we stop punishing blacks for misbehavior we aren't going to be singing Kumbaya. We're going to have lynchings, self-defense shootings, and other forms of vigilante justice. But I guess that's what the ACLU wants. I don't own a gun. I can't even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.
    , @bartok

    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does – just based on name: “American” and “Liberties”.
     
    They know exactly what it means: communist Jewish lawyers hammering Whites.
    , @Alden
    Most of ACLU money comes from the tax dodger foundations and government grants.
  6. Steve, This is one of your top 5 funniest posts.

    I always loved that Bateman line, we’re not here to talk nonsense to Bob Loblaw.

  7. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    A John Conyers production:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1498

    It’s so scattershot that I can’t imagine anything thinking it would be passed. It’s an example of using the introduction of a fake congressional bill for activist publicity purposes.

    If passed it doesn’t really do much beyond create a big data collection bureaucracy and SJW training regime (a full-employement act for unemployed “studies” graduates). The stick is that federal funding will be withheld if the federal level SJW employees send a “dear colleague” letter on profiling to a local police department which does not sufficient genuflect.

    Also, as usual, deep in the law is the authorization for anyone, meaning the ACLU or Gloria Allred, to file a civil suit against departments. So it’s also an SJW attorney full-employment act.

    Withholding federal funds means no Navy Seal like SWAT team toys, no drone surveillance funds, no cell phone tracking and hacking gadgets, no antiterrorist tanks and armored vehicles, no license plate photography and big data system. Hmmm, this bill might not be that bad.

    There is nothing concrete in the law about things like not asking race on 911 or must-file policies against white people who call the cops on blacks who end up not getting arrested. Nothing about setting up a 24/7 bias response office in police departments to intercept 911 calls and police radio traffic and monitor for profiling, with the authority to issue real-time stand down orders. Nothing about mandatory profiling auditors riding along in the back seats of police cruisers.

    A few weeks ago there was this op piece in the Washington Post:

    There’s no cost to white people who call 911 about black people. There should be.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/16/theres-no-cost-to-white-people-who-call-911-about-black-people-there-should-be/

    It recommends:

    – Prosecutors should file false police report charges against white 911 callers if the black subject of the call was “doing nothing wrong.” This is not defined. Whether remaining on private property after being asked to leave is nothing wrong is not addressed.

    – Encouraging blacks to file defamation, malicious prosecution, or intentional infliction of emotional distress lawsuits against white 911 callers. Financed by whom is not mentioned.

    Both of these seem legally naive, so I wondered, who wrote this? Two authors, one a black woman who operates an anti-spanking campaign aimed at blacks. The second author is a black law professor, graduated from Harvard Law School, hired by white shoe corporate law firm after graduation, first year associate salary of $175,000 according to Glassdoor, but after two years is Assitant U.S. Attorney in D.C., at a salary of about $55,000, for three years. Next he seems to become an itinerant visiting law professor, one year each of five law schools, salary unknown. And then he lands at Albany Law School (106 out of 144 in USNWR) as a professor for the past nine years, authoring things like chapters in “Hip Hop and the Law” and contributions to various race related law reviews.

    I rarely seem to see black law school graduates who are working as practicing attorneys in private law firms, as partners. Five or ten years after graduation they have floated away into some other work, sometimes law relatled, but not as a lawyer. Getting partnership at a good law firm requires that you be really smart and work horrific hours. I don’t think these “holistic” guys have it in them. To go the alternative Johnnie Cochran route you’d need to put in a decade as a criminal assistant D.A. and then have an entrepreneurial spirit.

  8. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    Were they always this insane?

    Yes: https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/06/civil-liberties-and-single-reactionary.html

    Or, rather, no, they started off insane and now are even more insane.

    • Agree: TWS
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    TL/DR (all), - your link that is, Snorlax, but he seems to be a good writer. From my memory, the ACLU was not bat-shit cntrl-left crazy back in the day. Maybe it was a pretense, but they supported right-wing exercise of Constitutional rights as well as left-wing. They may have spent more time on the latter though.

    I guess the complete nuttiness of the ACLU nowadays is just their going along with the times.
  9. The ACLU has completely abandoned all seriousness and is now just BLM for stoners who can read good.

  10. Bottom line if you are White … You have no rights. Soon it will be perfectly legal for any Black person to do any thing to any White.

    I expect President Harris to sign this into formal law . That was what Ferguson was all about.

  11. Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We’re already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Worked for Brazil! (South Africa, Detroit, Baltimore, Paris...)
    , @anonymous
    You shouldn’t report nothing to nobody. Ever!

    Nine former and current University of Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination.

    The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, alleges that the university conducted "intentional, willful and malicious" discrimination based on the players' race and gender during the school's investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student.

    The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.

    The university expelled or suspended five of the players. There were no criminal charges filed in the case.
     
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/06/08/former-current-football-players-sue-university-of-minnesota
    , @julius caesar
    >Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    At that point, the fall in property values will be blamed on white supremacy. The residents, especially the black residents, will be sent to better off neighborhoods, creating another cycle of middle class flight, neighborhood destruction, and blaming on white supremacy.

    This game never ends.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    No, what happens is, the liberals who shortsightedly endorsed this restriction in policing take up white flight to areas that are typically more conservative, and then vote in their foolish policies in their new towns.

    They learn nothing, and just lay waste to one area on move on.
    , @Svigor
    So you're saying you're nobody?
    , @AnotherDad

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.
     
    If only. That's how it should work, but that's never their goal.

    This is standard issue minoritarianism. It's not--not ever--about anyone's rights. Nor about getting any sort of separate space for lefties to live by their own lefty principles.

    No, this lefty-minoritarianism is always about trying to make sure that the majority--i.e. whites, gentiles, the unwashed--are not allowed to build, have, enjoy their own stuff--companies, comunities, neighborhoods, nations.

    I'm 100% for ACLU virtue signallers and their black mascots to have their separate safe no-calling-cops-on-blacks zones. Great stuff. And the right for those of benighted deplorables to have our own separate neighborhoods with our own standards of behavior.

    And the really great thing--thus separated, we deplorables wouldn't actually be calling the cops very much, because separated, we'd have much higher social cohesion, much more agreed commonality about appropriate behavior. We'd know our neighbors and who is in the neighborhood. We'd pretty much police ourselves and not need "the man" around much at all. Win\win.
  12. J.Ross says: • Website

    A million years ago on 4chan there was a cartoon illustrating the stupidity of this idea (this was several years before BLM, I think it was during the second W administration):
    A black cashier points out an armed white robber to a white cop.
    The white cop arrests the black cashier, to the shock of the (still armed) white robber.
    This picture looks reasonable to these activists.

  13. @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    Worked for Brazil! (South Africa, Detroit, Baltimore, Paris…)

  14. @MikeatMikedotMike
    It might go something more like this::

    "Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: "OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way."
    Witness: "Uh, ok..."

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness' Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: "HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!"

    Witness: "It's just my phone - Don't shoot! I'm on with the 911 dispa..." *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    That is about more like it, [email protected]. It seems like, of the “First Responders”, and I write that term with derision, the cops will be the first to come no matter who you call 9-1-1 for. Whatever has happened, there’s gotta be a ticket in it somewhere.

  15. It’s pretty curmudeonly of me, I suppose, but I miss the days when you would call the Fire Department about a fire, “the ambulance” for an ambulance, etc. Sure you had to know a few numbers, but we had pencils and paper back then and knew how to use them. It really beat getting in touch with the Big-Gov call/spy center that it’s drilled into us to call now.

    I can count only a handful of times when I called 9-1-1, and none of them were as productive as they should have been. These people must be trained to treat callers like retards. From Peak Stupidity on calling 9-1-1:

    [(This was before non-military GPS use)]. I am sure that the drivers of the “First Response” (term not in use then, thankfully) vehicles did have great knowledge of their areas of operation, but in this case the location where this lady was hurt was in a short section of a road, just 100 yards or so from a main road across which the same road winded around a couple of miles. I’d given the dispatch lady the address first. “Which way are you coming from? Don’t go the wrong way on XXXX street. Go on the short dead-end side. It’s a left if you’re coming from … ” “Sir! Don’t panic. We have all the information. Stay calm.” “Hey, I’m just saying, it’s hard to see this short part of the road …” “Sir! We have this under control. Calm down.” I had been calm, but I was not getting any damn calmer.

    6-8 minutes later (not too bad) there comes the ambulance, and I went outside to see it take a turn up the long end of that road. It got quieter then louder again, after it’s probably-illegal u-turn, and got to me standing outside at the driveway about 3 minutes later. “Where is she?” “What the fuck is wrong with you people? I told your lady you needed to go on the dead-end part of this road! Why can’t she learn to listen?” “Ummm… don’t panic, where the lady?” She was OK the next day at the hospital, but I was kind of sour on these “First Responders” at a young age. (And you wonder why I’ve written 6 posts!)

  16. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT ALL THE BOYS SAY HEY GU WHAT’S NEW
    Trump curse hits again

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/industries/health-care/2018/06/08/vanderbilt-doctor-eugene-gu-fired-donald-trump/684562002/

    >A Tennessee doctor who became a social media sensation because of statements on President Donald Trump, racism and Colin Kaepernick – and who later sued the president over First Amendment rights – is losing his job at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

    >Dr. Eugene Gu, 32, a Vanderbilt surgery resident, said Friday that Nashville’s biggest hospital is ending his five-year residency after only three years.

    >Technically, Vanderbilt has decided not to renew his contract with the hospital, Gu said, but he argues the effect is “no different than being fired.”

    >“The take-home message here is that there is an unwritten rule for surgical residents and that is rule is, always make your program look good and always make your hospital look good, and often that means stay silent,” Gu said. “But as an Asian-American physician, unlike a white doctor, I don’t always have the same luxury to stay silent.”

    (The “Trump Curse,” fearfully active lately, is reliable because it overlaps with predictors for life failure like deviancy, addiction, and high emotional instability.)

  17. @snorlax

    Were they always this insane?
     
    Yes: https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/06/civil-liberties-and-single-reactionary.html

    Or, rather, no, they started off insane and now are even more insane.

    TL/DR (all), – your link that is, Snorlax, but he seems to be a good writer. From my memory, the ACLU was not bat-shit cntrl-left crazy back in the day. Maybe it was a pretense, but they supported right-wing exercise of Constitutional rights as well as left-wing. They may have spent more time on the latter though.

    I guess the complete nuttiness of the ACLU nowadays is just their going along with the times.

  18. Sorry Steve, reality has you beat.

    First off people already don’t report various crimes such as breaking and entering unless they’re insured. Otherwise there is no upside because the cops don’t investigate.

    Worse here in CA, thanks to law changes from Moonbeam and company. Armed robberies that net let than a grand are automatic misdemenors. IOW you get a fine and walk.. Basically blacks and Mexers get a “get out of jail free card”. It doesn’t matter that there are laws on the books that if you use a gun it’s a automatic felony. Judges haven’t applied those laws in decades because most are liberal lunatics.

    And then there’s Obama’s administration changes to encourage public schools and local PD’s to go easy on juvenile offenders. Reducing felonies to slap on the wrists. Cruz and Trayvon were both beneficiaries of that.

    It’s here our West as well, there is a neighborhood in Las Vegas NV where a nearby public school loaded with blacks routinely swarm the neighborhood and attack whites walking or doing work outside. Residents call the police and they do nothing. The school does nothing.

    Why even call when the you know the precious brown skins are given special protections under the law?

    And whites still delude themselves thinking the government and elites haven’t declared war on them. Silly lemmings.

    • Replies: @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.
    , @anonymous
    Though hardly on the same level with armed robbery and violent crime, law enforcement doesn't bother with bank fraud either--at least in my town here in Fairfield County, CT. A number of years ago I had about a thousand dollars siphoned out of my checking account by some scumbag. My bank reimbursed me of course under FDIC. I was told to report it to the cops. The desk guy told me they would take the report but that they wouldn't do anything unless the bank itself turned it over to their fraud unit. I was told that they very rarely ever do this unless it involves big bucks. It's not worth it to them.
  19. From Starbucks to Yale, it’s clear that #LivingWhileBlack can get you in handcuffs.

    That Starbucks location confronted the trespassers rather than calling 911. The ACLU is lying.

  20. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    In America, the right to own (and sometimes, carry) firearms is a civil right.

    Have the ACLU ever defended 2nd amendment rights?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.
    , @gate666
    they did.
  21. OT – Wow!

    In the New York Times, sympathetic portraits of people in America who cling to their guns and their religion.

    • Replies: @Mad Hatter
    "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them"
  22. All this nonsense. You would almost think that blacks were vastly more violent, homicidal, and violent then other peoples are.

    Oh wait………!

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    Wise words from my Uncle Joe: "Them Guys, always remember that, A Wise Monkey Never Monkeys with another Monkeys, Monkey!"...Uncle Joey when youthful, also hung out with that kinda, sorta, famous guy called.....Jack Handy.


    Uncle Joe also pounded into my head every chance he got that: "Remember Them Guys, you can remove the monkey from Africa and place it in any other nations locations, however, you can Never Ever remove that Africa from the Monkey!" Boy was Uncle Joey well proved correct eh.
    , @Alec Leamas

    All this nonsense. You would almost think that blacks were vastly more violent, homicidal, and violent then other peoples are.

    Oh wait………!

     

    You said rape twice!
  23. This is where I share for the xth time my story about being a person of non-color who has had the cops called on him multiple times by paranoid people of non-color despite having committed no crimes. It sucks, but it’s the price you pay to live in a decent area. The alternative is a place where cops don’t come even for real crimes. Of course it’s not surprising that many black people want to live in such places.

    Not entirely relevant to a a US context, but years ago I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    You are right.

    The same kinds of things happened to me when I was a young white man going about my business:

    -- Stopped and frisked in Boulder, Colorado just for looking in a store window late at night while walking home. The cop turned me around and dug his hands deep around my groin area to feel what was inside my pockets.

    -- Stopped and questioned in Boulder while buying a coke at a motel machine I had ridden my bike to at midnight.

    -- Pulled over with friends in Denver, lined up outside the car by cops whose car was marked "gang unit." One of us was pushed up against a wall in a choke hold and yelled at for asking a question.

    , @Them Guys
    Back when I still lived in Detroit, I knew a cool biker club member guy who always made up batches of Bumper-Sticker type labels, he made several sizes also. One good sticker he did was.


    Regards if a person need call for cops....Sticker label stated "Dial 1-800-DunkinDonuts if you need a cop fast!" I actually had occasion once to do this, and yes it did work. I had a stray dog at my yards gate fence, totally driving my Huge Siberian Huskey dog crazy in attempting to get out from behind gate and tear that stray dog a new one. Well, after well over a full hour of dealing with that stray dog, he kept returning every time I kicked his ass out. I called the normal 911 phone # to get detroit cops to come take dog away...I waited close to Two hrs!...Called back 911, and bitched at them for not yet attending to my stray dog issue. And 911 operator simply hung up on me!


    Then I saw my Motorcycle helmet on the floor near doorway, and seen that bumper sticker with call 1-800 donut shop on it.....So I figured what do I have to lose eh?...I dialed the Donut shop 3/4ths a mile away from my crib, asked donut shop worker women, "Hey Mam, do you by chance have any policemen there now?"....She laughed and said "Of Course we have policemen here dear! why? do You need a cop for an emergency or other issue?"


    So I said Yeah Mam please ask one of those policemen can I talk to them a bit....And when a cop grabbed her phone I began to explain issue of stray dog to him, he at first accused me of doing a Prank call etc....I assured him that I had a true real problem, and further if after I waited over two hrs now for reg. 911 center to handle it, if right Now some cop don't come to my crib and remove that dog, I was going to retrieve my S&W .44 Mag and blow its stupid brains out and fix the problem for good.....That got the donut shop cop at my house asap fast!


    Then all I had to do was find a piece of rope so cops could take dog away in back of squad car....I wish I seen that helmet sticker sooner as It would have saved much time and frustration.


    Both detroit cops that arrived, were freeked out that anybody actually phoned the donut shop and requested police assistance....It ended with me giving them cops yet another cup coffee, and they laughed several time recalling how I phoned donut shop for them. I showed them cops that helmet sticker too for more laughs.


    That detroit biker guy who always conjured up good or funny stickers and passed them out to anybody who wanted one and free too, had another funny saying sticker I recall.


    That sticker came in two sizes, standard car bumper sized, and a smaller size to place on helmets or saddle bags....It stated: "FREE Breast Exams" heh heh, it got alot of strange looks when stopped at red light and a family in a sedan car was next to biker at red light, and noticed such a sticker on his side of helmet....Most folks ended up laughing at it. A few feminist types got really pissed off.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Agree. From teens through thirties, I've been accosted many times by police on suspicion of whatever. I didn't resist and answered their questions and didn't get all indignant (even when I felt like it) and ultimately was able to go on my way. Sometimes mightily annoyed, but that's life.

    On one occasion I actually was committing a minor crime, but it turned out that the cop was picking me up on the suspicion of something different. Once I realized what was actually happening, I stopped being so evasive, he realized I wasn't the droid he was looking for and all's well that ends well.
    , @NickG

    I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.
     
    That happened to me perhaps half a dozen times in the UK in my late teens - I'm a 1960 born white, RP speaking, Englishman - and it even happened in daylight.
  24. anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    You shouldn’t report nothing to nobody. Ever!

    Nine former and current University of Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination.

    The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student.

    The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.

    The university expelled or suspended five of the players. There were no criminal charges filed in the case.

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/06/08/former-current-football-players-sue-university-of-minnesota

    • Replies: @ic1000

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.
     
    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM "Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action" reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn't exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn't exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players' apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, "No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time." The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with "what happened," and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the "consent" issue.

    You wouldn't know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university's Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration's famed "Dear Colleague" letter, applying a "more likely than not" standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a "guilty" verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 -- woman
    1 -- asserts #metoo claim
    0 -- white
    2 -- Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 -- Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 -- #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 -- Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota's liability policy is paid up.
    , @artichoke
    That's what happens when you go easy on them. Criminal charges should have been filed.
  25. Ed says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    I’m sorry you haven’t really been paying attention then. Just about every liberal institution has gone full SJW which means adopting any insane idea that sprouts forth from Twitter. It also means never chiding or disagreeing with aggrieved minorities, in particular blacks.

    On Twitter even Dictionary.com has developed a rep for snarky SJW tweets. The ACLU is just following its base I suppose.

  26. @songbird
    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does - just based on name: "American" and "Liberties".

    Fool , most elderly people have to budget for a postage stamp .

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    ACLU Likely gets a huge bulk of cash donated Via same places the other 300+ jewish leftist orgs such as adl and splc et al get paid from. The combined totals from all 300+ jewish orgs in usa alone, would probably total, when all added up to at least several hundred billions $$$ each year I rekon.


    But there is likely no real way anyone can actually get such numbers, let alone a grand total of all such jewish orgs....Closely held top secret I'd guess. I'd also bet every such org is a Non-Profit type so zero fed tax gets paid out...While no real enforcement of laws against doing political opps ever are conducted either. Most everyone in the Jewnited Snakes of America greatly Fear being called an anti-Semite and a Nazi so jewry gets free pass usually.
  27. @AndrewR
    This is where I share for the xth time my story about being a person of non-color who has had the cops called on him multiple times by paranoid people of non-color despite having committed no crimes. It sucks, but it's the price you pay to live in a decent area. The alternative is a place where cops don't come even for real crimes. Of course it's not surprising that many black people want to live in such places.

    Not entirely relevant to a a US context, but years ago I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    You are right.

    The same kinds of things happened to me when I was a young white man going about my business:

    — Stopped and frisked in Boulder, Colorado just for looking in a store window late at night while walking home. The cop turned me around and dug his hands deep around my groin area to feel what was inside my pockets.

    — Stopped and questioned in Boulder while buying a coke at a motel machine I had ridden my bike to at midnight.

    — Pulled over with friends in Denver, lined up outside the car by cops whose car was marked “gang unit.” One of us was pushed up against a wall in a choke hold and yelled at for asking a question.

    • Replies: @Mishra
    Cops can do whatever they want to white guys, because they know the media will never report it.
    , @Anonymous
    Is that you Mike Tirico?
  28. Maus says:
    @Rod1963
    Sorry Steve, reality has you beat.

    First off people already don't report various crimes such as breaking and entering unless they're insured. Otherwise there is no upside because the cops don't investigate.

    Worse here in CA, thanks to law changes from Moonbeam and company. Armed robberies that net let than a grand are automatic misdemenors. IOW you get a fine and walk.. Basically blacks and Mexers get a "get out of jail free card". It doesn't matter that there are laws on the books that if you use a gun it's a automatic felony. Judges haven't applied those laws in decades because most are liberal lunatics.

    And then there's Obama's administration changes to encourage public schools and local PD's to go easy on juvenile offenders. Reducing felonies to slap on the wrists. Cruz and Trayvon were both beneficiaries of that.

    It's here our West as well, there is a neighborhood in Las Vegas NV where a nearby public school loaded with blacks routinely swarm the neighborhood and attack whites walking or doing work outside. Residents call the police and they do nothing. The school does nothing.

    Why even call when the you know the precious brown skins are given special protections under the law?

    And whites still delude themselves thinking the government and elites haven't declared war on them. Silly lemmings.

    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another’s person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Broken windows, man. If you live in milieu where only violence triggers a prosecution, you are in civilizational decline.
    , @Lot
    Thank you for your service. Hope you didn't switch to defense.
    , @Yak-15
    In Illinois (Chicago), all crimes, except class x felonies and murders, will see time reduced by 50 pct. Even aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

    Recently, on Valentine’s Day this year, a police commander was murdered in broad daylight in the downtown area of Chicago by a multiple convicted firearm felon whose sentence should have carried through until 2022.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-off-duty-officer-shot-downtown-20180213-story.html
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Maus, what the law says and what the DA chooses to prosecute are often two separate things. Source,"Hill Street Blues", "Law and Order"' "Wire" and "Perry Mason."
    , @International Jew

    A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another’s person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison.
     
    So if I punched you in the gut, hard enough to hurt but no worse (2nd degree assault?) and didn't take anything from you, it would be a misdemeanor, but if I also took $5 from you, it would become a felony?
  29. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but how did we, per Google homepage, get up to having 3 separate gay pride flags? I guessed, correctly it seems, the middle icon was one of them newfangled transgender flags — but the third is a mystery, explained at neither Emojibase nor Wikipedia’s “Vexillology Portal”

    • Replies: @CZ
    But Google forgot the Philadelphia version, with a black stripe and a brown stripe (on the top!!) for "people of color" homosexuals. How raycist!!

    https://www.phillymag.com/g-philly/2017/06/08/philly-pride-flag-black-brown/

    https://www.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/06/Pride-Flag.jpg

    , @jim jones
    And no Doodle for the anniversary of D-Day
  30. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    In America, the right to own (and sometimes, carry) firearms is a civil right.

    Have the ACLU ever defended 2nd amendment rights?

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.
     
    The ACLU is wrong. Their interpretation of how Amendment II is written is colored by their preexisting opinion.

    When the amendment was written, militiamen owned their guns. With or without a comma, the amendment makes it clear that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The words before that part simply give a reason for the right at that time. The right exists and is stated, regardless. Period.

    The ACLU has an agenda.

    , @Mr. Anon

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.
     
    And this is a willfully wrong (and deceitful) interperetation of the 2nd amendment. It has always been understood - since the time it was first proposed - to guarantee the natural (God-given) right to possess weapons.
  31. The Gods have been generous .

  32. @Anonymous
    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.

    The ACLU is wrong. Their interpretation of how Amendment II is written is colored by their preexisting opinion.

    When the amendment was written, militiamen owned their guns. With or without a comma, the amendment makes it clear that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The words before that part simply give a reason for the right at that time. The right exists and is stated, regardless. Period.

    The ACLU has an agenda.

    • Agree: Kevin O'Keeffe
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the 2nd Amendment isn't so much anti-gun control (gun rights were a given when the woods were full of what Daniel Boone called bars and Injuns) as it's anti-militia control.
    , @istevefan
    Buzz,

    A couple of items to consider.

    First, recall the Mel Gibson move, The Patriot. The militia were not accustomed to firing volleys while standing still and receiving incoming fire. So they tended to break and run after firing a few shots. The British general in the movie would always scan the American lines to determine where the militia was. Then he ordered his forces to attack at that point knowing the militia would crumble.

    Second, Baron Von Steuben came to Valley Forge to help train the Continental Army. He wrote his famous Blue Book known as the Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States. The manual trained Washington's army to be able to fire the musket as efficiently and accurately as possible while under fire by forcing the men to follow a strict set of steps or regulations.

    Thus, when the phrase "a well-regulated militia" later appears, it most certainly had nothing to do with the modern connotation of the word which implies some sort of government oversight. Rather the Founders knew the militia's shortcomings from the Revolution and wanted them to be better trained or regulated, if you will.

  33. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee …

    Because playing for the NFL is practically slavery. It’s only lucky that the racist owners do not have the players’ balls removed.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    El Dato, A few years ago the Buffalo Bills drafted Aaron Maybin with their draft pick in the first round of the NFL draft. He failed miserably as a pro football player. However, he is now an artist who paints pictures of naked black football players in chains being examined by NFL team owners, AKA slave owners. Whatever. Maybin's time in NFL slavery chains netted him $14 million.
  34. Weren’t they recently defending child marriage in California?

  35. @Buzz Mohawk

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.
     
    The ACLU is wrong. Their interpretation of how Amendment II is written is colored by their preexisting opinion.

    When the amendment was written, militiamen owned their guns. With or without a comma, the amendment makes it clear that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The words before that part simply give a reason for the right at that time. The right exists and is stated, regardless. Period.

    The ACLU has an agenda.

    My impression is that the 2nd Amendment isn’t so much anti-gun control (gun rights were a given when the woods were full of what Daniel Boone called bars and Injuns) as it’s anti-militia control.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.
    , @anon
    If that’s the case then the 2nd shouldn’t apply to the governments of the states. The 2nd applies to the states because it’s an individual (personal) right that applies to the states through the 14th. See D.C. vs Heller for the full yadda, yadda, yadda on this point. [Nino Scalia would have made a good Jesuit.]
  36. @Anonymous
    OT, but how did we, per Google homepage, get up to having 3 separate gay pride flags? I guessed, correctly it seems, the middle icon was one of them newfangled transgender flags -- but the third is a mystery, explained at neither Emojibase nor Wikipedia's "Vexillology Portal"

    But Google forgot the Philadelphia version, with a black stripe and a brown stripe (on the top!!) for “people of color” homosexuals. How raycist!!

    https://www.phillymag.com/g-philly/2017/06/08/philly-pride-flag-black-brown/

  37. @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the 2nd Amendment isn't so much anti-gun control (gun rights were a given when the woods were full of what Daniel Boone called bars and Injuns) as it's anti-militia control.

    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind — or just the self-protective community kind.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg
    , @TTSSYF
    Exactly. A neighborhood watch group could be considered a militia and could agree among themselves to be lawfully armed.
    , @Big Bill
    This is a useful historical analysis of militias, how they have been used and misused, who can wield them, the Rights of Englishmen, the Second Amendment and the like by Joyce Lee Malcolm:

    http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/jfp5ch04.htm
    , @anonymous
    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase "well regulated Militia." Had the Second Amendment simply read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we wouldn't be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be "gun control" in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818--not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.
    , @Sagamore Sam
    "The Militia" is actually defined in law:

    (ref: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html)

    10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia:  composition and classes

    (a)  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)  The classes of the militia are--

    (1)  the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;  and

    (2)  the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

     

    If you are an able-bodied male U.S citizen between the ages of 17 and 45, you are automatically a member of the militia.
    , @J.Ross
    The Founders discussed this thoroughly and the original author of the amendment spelled out explicitly that the people (to the exclusion of government) are the militia:

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
    — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
    Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

    Mason's Virginia Constitution was heavily relied upon by the Convention drafting the national Constitution. Mason's original formulation reverses the now familiar order of the "being necessary" clauses and was understood to mean the same thing.
    Nice site:
    http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm
  38. O/T:

    A new study finds that when 25 percent of people in a group adopt a new social norm, it creates a tipping point where the entire group follows suit. This shows the direct causal effect of the size of a committed minority on its capacity to create social change

    Or so said the headline on reddit. If true, it jibes with something N. N. Taleb (?) wrote recently. The actual study, for those interested.

    • Replies: @Matthew McConnagay
    Forgot to link the Taleb thing.
  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    • Agree: Hibernian, Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Them Guys
    Indeed, the us const Militia Clause states Three distinct obligations the Militias of each state are to perform. #1= Enforce the Laws. (statues in org words), #2= Stop All Insurrections= Like when masses of savage negroes Riot etc. and #3= Repel INVASIONS!...Ie: Like when Illegal masses enter usa from our borders, such as we see daily by Mexicans and other south americans et al.

    So basically if say, 1/2 to a million fed up usa armed citizens decided to go to southern mex border zones, and Repel by Whatever force is made necessary BY those illegals attempting entry, every single milita member would be in keeping with doing their personal/group Duty as a states militia member...Furthermore, by Fed Laws, still On books since around 1789 or earlier yet(?) EVERY US Male citizen between ages of 17 yrs old to 60 yrs old IS a member of their own states militia....Like it or Not!....Only exemptions are same as regular army reasons...Concientious objectors. And too phys disabled to do so.

    Plus due to feministic lobbies crys of "Unfair to women" issues, a new fed law was added around 1970's era I think it was, that Now even states females same ages as males Can be militia members as long as the woman is Also a member of army etc or Nat Guard...It may read slightly different as that's not verbatim here...Close enough though for now.

    So if a large enough fed ups decided to actually comply with us const mandates, and used us const principals as main reason to go to mex border zone and REPEL Invaders....Well even us supremes would Have to agree...So would every idiot open border asshole and antigun clown too.

    For it is always They who bitch loudest about "Hey You Must Obey us const"! Okay lets do so eh!

  40. @Matthew McConnagay
    O/T:

    A new study finds that when 25 percent of people in a group adopt a new social norm, it creates a tipping point where the entire group follows suit. This shows the direct causal effect of the size of a committed minority on its capacity to create social change
     
    Or so said the headline on reddit. If true, it jibes with something N. N. Taleb (?) wrote recently. The actual study, for those interested.

    Forgot to link the Taleb thing.

  41. @Mr. Anon
    In America, the right to own (and sometimes, carry) firearms is a civil right.

    Have the ACLU ever defended 2nd amendment rights?

    they did.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    they did.
     
    When?
  42. ACLU was founded almost 100 years ago by Roger Baldwin, a very interesting and complicated fellow. To his credit he opposed U.S. involvement in WWI and did time in prison as a CO. Was drawn to the new Soviet experiment but bright enough to see that it was real bad news gentleman left wing types like himself. In the 1940s he tried to purge the ACLU of its commie members. If he were alive now, the organization would purge him.

    ACLU was involved in some landmark cases — Scopes, Sacco-Vanzetti, and the Ulysses — but now, it’s operated by the typical degenerates who control most of our institutions and cultural assets.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Sacco Vanzetti we’re guilty as charged. The ACLU got into it as a means of raising money for the defense fund. Before the days of tax dodge charitable and educational donations that was the standard way ACLU CPUSA and the rent scanned the money for salaries offices publications etc.

    Scottsboro Boys case was another. There were 6 defendants. The ACLU CPUSA set up legal defense fund and had not the 6 mothers of the defendants but 9 women claiming to be mothers running around the country asking for donations to the defense fund.

    Then the Rockefeller Ford Woods and other foundations began funding the liberal change America for the worse organizations and there was no need to raise money for legal defense.
  43. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    I know a libertarian/conservative guy who is a big supporter of gun rights and who supports the NRA for its defence of the second amendment, but he also supports the ACLU for its defence of the first amendment. He considers that the two organisations complement each other.

  44. It’s ominous :

    • Replies: @donut
    When CNN finally had to announce to their viewers that Trump won this is the background music they used . Subsequently coal consumption and soy milk consumption surged .
  45. There really only are 2 groups calling for this. Most black dudes do it without thinking.

    For 1 it’s the black women who want “their men back” and to a lesser extent the loudmouth mudshark white or Latin single moms w kids by black men. They know their mixed race kids have lower impulse control and thus more inclined to getting beat senseless by cops or shot…that or like the black women they want whites disarmed so their men can rob you with impunity while they get away with it

  46. I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.

    This is yet another slow toss right over the plate for Trump and republicans in general. “Democrats say you’re racist if you call the police. Another example of why they will lose BIG in Nov. Remeber to vote!”

    Republicans can follow up by introducing a bill to protect people calling 911 in good faith to report crimes (or some such)

    But of course, the stupid party.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    But aren't there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.

    How's about new fed law, equally applied to all 50 states too, that mandates that "Untill US/State/Local, Public, Officials start to OBEY all the Same laws as apply to all others, usa citizens NO longer will need obey laws either, as long as it is the very same laws public officials Disobey on a regular basis!"


    For a good example of a public official disobeying a law...Police typically disobey speeding laws...Therefore, I too am now able to take my 2009 Z-06 Vette for a nice two lane cruise or better yet out on a nice freshly paved Freeway, and see what it feels like to reach the vettes Top Sped of, 198 MPH!! as Proven on G.M. Track Tested same vettes!


    And since my vette has Track Ready straight from GM Factory made, capabilities to handle corners etc same as GT race cars do, I too can Now drive much faster and corner at ungodly speeds when I feel I should hurry same as so many cops drive like eh.
    , @International Jew
    It's another front in the War on Noticing.
    , @istevefan

    I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.
     
    Solution: Segregate whites.
  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    You are right.

    The same kinds of things happened to me when I was a young white man going about my business:

    -- Stopped and frisked in Boulder, Colorado just for looking in a store window late at night while walking home. The cop turned me around and dug his hands deep around my groin area to feel what was inside my pockets.

    -- Stopped and questioned in Boulder while buying a coke at a motel machine I had ridden my bike to at midnight.

    -- Pulled over with friends in Denver, lined up outside the car by cops whose car was marked "gang unit." One of us was pushed up against a wall in a choke hold and yelled at for asking a question.

    Cops can do whatever they want to white guys, because they know the media will never report it.

  48. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    Conquest’s Second Law

    Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.

  49. @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    >Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    At that point, the fall in property values will be blamed on white supremacy. The residents, especially the black residents, will be sent to better off neighborhoods, creating another cycle of middle class flight, neighborhood destruction, and blaming on white supremacy.

    This game never ends.

  50. @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    No, what happens is, the liberals who shortsightedly endorsed this restriction in policing take up white flight to areas that are typically more conservative, and then vote in their foolish policies in their new towns.

    They learn nothing, and just lay waste to one area on move on.

  51. No Muslims in America….No 9/11….

    So why exactly are Muslims being imported legally into America?

    Answer:So Muslims can legally vote The Historic Native Born White Christian Majority into a White racial foreigner and White racial minority within the borders of America.

  52. @MikeatMikedotMike
    It might go something more like this:

    "Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: "OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way."
    Witness: "Uh, ok..."

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness' Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: "HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!"

    Witness: "It's just my phone - Don't shoot! I'm on with the 911 dispa..." *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    Or the witness will be un-personed and shipped off to a gulag.

  53. @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    Broken windows, man. If you live in milieu where only violence triggers a prosecution, you are in civilizational decline.

  54. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    It might go something more like this::

    "Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: "OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way."
    Witness: "Uh, ok..."

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness' Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: "HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!"

    Witness: "It's just my phone - Don't shoot! I'm on with the 911 dispa..." *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    It was funnier the first time.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ha - yeah the 1st comment didn't show up as "awaiting moderation", so I thought it got flushed.
  55. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    It might go something more like this:

    "Witness: “Hello, 9-11, send the police! A man is raping and murdering my neighbor, Kitty Genovese!”
    9-11: “Is he black?”
    Witness: “Uh, let me look … Well, it’s kind of dark, but he could be.”
    9-11: “Are you white?”
    Witness: “Uh, yeah, but …”
    9-11: "OK stay on the line and stay where you are. Police are on the way."
    Witness: "Uh, ok..."

    160 seconds later

    Heard Through Witness' Phone: *Sirens approaching* *Tires skidding* *Distant Shouting*: "HANDS UP! DROP THE GUN!!"

    Witness: "It's just my phone - Don't shoot! I'm on with the 911 dispa..." *20-25 gunshots*

    9-11: Thank you for using 911, please call again.

    Sounds like the fatal shooting of Justine Damond in Minneapolis by Officer Mohamed Noor.

  56. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    You are right.

    The same kinds of things happened to me when I was a young white man going about my business:

    -- Stopped and frisked in Boulder, Colorado just for looking in a store window late at night while walking home. The cop turned me around and dug his hands deep around my groin area to feel what was inside my pockets.

    -- Stopped and questioned in Boulder while buying a coke at a motel machine I had ridden my bike to at midnight.

    -- Pulled over with friends in Denver, lined up outside the car by cops whose car was marked "gang unit." One of us was pushed up against a wall in a choke hold and yelled at for asking a question.

    Is that you Mike Tirico?

  57. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    The ACLU as a whole gets more insane every decade. Originally, its many insane leaders and members were constrained by the common sense legacy of the past. But, the ACLU, like every other group that was not grounded firmly, kept pushing the envelope.

  58. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    They have always been serious.

    Roger Nash Baldwin, the famous founder of the ACLU, explained that the goal was to fight for civil liberties until the dictatorship of the proletariat was achieved and the state withered away. At which point civil liberties would disappear. Google “Roger Baldwin quotes”.

    More recently Herbert Marcuse expressed the same sentiment in his writings on “repressive tolerance”. Preach toleration until you achieve power, then repress dissent.

    Even more recently, Erdogan explained the same transitional nature of democracy, in his quote that [paraphrasing], ” democracy is like a bus, you ride it to your destination and then you get off.”

    Civil liberties and democracy, generally, are tools to be used against the class enemy (e.g. Whites, infidels, Mensheviks, whatever) to destroy their hegemony until Communism (or the Caliphate) arrive.

  59. @songbird
    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does - just based on name: "American" and "Liberties".

    I think it’s more likely that they are funded by a few very wealthy Lefties, like Steyer, etc. No way do most elderly people contribute to anything, much less to the ACLU (in my experience).

  60. @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    Exactly. A neighborhood watch group could be considered a militia and could agree among themselves to be lawfully armed.

  61. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT – Wow!

    In the New York Times, sympathetic portraits of people in America who cling to their guns and their religion.

    “it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them”

  62. Just because the Messias-Deniers are 2% of the population is no reason they should not own the Media, Hollywood, Banks, and manipulate the Judiciary to deprive Christians of their civl rights and civil rights aint about ethnicity but, rather, our unenumerated rights to liberty the state may not violate.

    Well, in theory anyways…

  63. @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    This is a useful historical analysis of militias, how they have been used and misused, who can wield them, the Rights of Englishmen, the Second Amendment and the like by Joyce Lee Malcolm:

    http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/jfp5ch04.htm

  64. Absolute minimum expectation of a GOP that controls both houses of Congress, the Presidency and SCOTUS:

    Electoral officials who are versed in the difference between the laws that govern Affirmative Action and the extra-legal concept of “diversity”.

    These officials pass laws that are thoroughly punishing to programs of hiring, promotion, firing or educational enrollment based on “diversity” and their punishing policies, if necessary, achieve this ends by stiffening Affirmative Action for African Americans while excising all vestiges of it for all other groups.

    Second minimum requirement is punishing policies for publicly funded organizations or organizations doing business with the federal government who fail to protect 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Students may have their own rallies, but students (or faculty) who disrupt peaceful presentations or gatherings of their political opponents should face expulsion without redress on the first offense.

    Nothing else is required or expected of a GOP government, and nothing else suffices to justify its existence.

    • Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Simple means for the GOP to assure that it is massively re-elected with an overwhelming mandate in November:

    Pass the above described laws before November.
  65. ACLU: You may not own guns to protect yourself from burglars because that would be racist and you cannot call the police to protect you from burglars because that would be racist.

    I guess you will be reduced to pleading with the burglars to spare your life. Don’t even think about trying to talk them out of robbery or rape.

  66. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Absolute minimum expectation of a GOP that controls both houses of Congress, the Presidency and SCOTUS:

    Electoral officials who are versed in the difference between the laws that govern Affirmative Action and the extra-legal concept of "diversity".

    These officials pass laws that are thoroughly punishing to programs of hiring, promotion, firing or educational enrollment based on "diversity" and their punishing policies, if necessary, achieve this ends by stiffening Affirmative Action for African Americans while excising all vestiges of it for all other groups.

    Second minimum requirement is punishing policies for publicly funded organizations or organizations doing business with the federal government who fail to protect 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Students may have their own rallies, but students (or faculty) who disrupt peaceful presentations or gatherings of their political opponents should face expulsion without redress on the first offense.

    Nothing else is required or expected of a GOP government, and nothing else suffices to justify its existence.

    Simple means for the GOP to assure that it is massively re-elected with an overwhelming mandate in November:

    Pass the above described laws before November.

  67. (gun rights were a given when the woods were full of what Daniel Boone called bars and Injuns)

    Another good point.

    Protestant country boys have the right to bear arms because God armed bears.

  68. @songbird
    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does - just based on name: "American" and "Liberties".

    I’ll just post the appropriate quote regarding cops and blacks so that no one else has to:

    “The justice system doesn’t exist to protect the law-abiding from criminals. It exists to protect criminals from the law-abiding.”

    If we stop punishing blacks for misbehavior we aren’t going to be singing Kumbaya. We’re going to have lynchings, self-defense shootings, and other forms of vigilante justice. But I guess that’s what the ACLU wants. I don’t own a gun. I can’t even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I don’t own a gun. I can’t even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    Don't wait too long on that. You might decide you really need one after in a crisis when martial law may suspend the sale of guns or ammunition in a crisis.
  69. Here’s one the liberals might even vote for.

    If a white person’s 911 call (re: black crime) does not result in a conviction then the caller must pay all legal and police services rendered.

  70. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization.

    I joined the ACLU in 1993. I did not renew my membership in ’94, due to the fact that virtually the sole issue they seemed preoccupied with at that time, was “defending affirmative action“. That almost sounds made-up, but that’s the impression I got from reading the newsletters they were sending me.

  71. @Anonymous
    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.

    And this is a willfully wrong (and deceitful) interperetation of the 2nd amendment. It has always been understood – since the time it was first proposed – to guarantee the natural (God-given) right to possess weapons.

  72. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rod1963
    Sorry Steve, reality has you beat.

    First off people already don't report various crimes such as breaking and entering unless they're insured. Otherwise there is no upside because the cops don't investigate.

    Worse here in CA, thanks to law changes from Moonbeam and company. Armed robberies that net let than a grand are automatic misdemenors. IOW you get a fine and walk.. Basically blacks and Mexers get a "get out of jail free card". It doesn't matter that there are laws on the books that if you use a gun it's a automatic felony. Judges haven't applied those laws in decades because most are liberal lunatics.

    And then there's Obama's administration changes to encourage public schools and local PD's to go easy on juvenile offenders. Reducing felonies to slap on the wrists. Cruz and Trayvon were both beneficiaries of that.

    It's here our West as well, there is a neighborhood in Las Vegas NV where a nearby public school loaded with blacks routinely swarm the neighborhood and attack whites walking or doing work outside. Residents call the police and they do nothing. The school does nothing.

    Why even call when the you know the precious brown skins are given special protections under the law?

    And whites still delude themselves thinking the government and elites haven't declared war on them. Silly lemmings.

    Though hardly on the same level with armed robbery and violent crime, law enforcement doesn’t bother with bank fraud either–at least in my town here in Fairfield County, CT. A number of years ago I had about a thousand dollars siphoned out of my checking account by some scumbag. My bank reimbursed me of course under FDIC. I was told to report it to the cops. The desk guy told me they would take the report but that they wouldn’t do anything unless the bank itself turned it over to their fraud unit. I was told that they very rarely ever do this unless it involves big bucks. It’s not worth it to them.

  73. This has pretty much been the situation in the UK for decades. Which is why Muslim sexual savages in Britain have been allowed to rape 90,000 English children while the mentally and ethically challenged Royal family looked on and did nothing, figuring it would be bad for their Q rating to speak up..

  74. “Why should YOU got to jail for a crime SOMEONE ELSE noticed?”

    That might be the most fitting joke you’ve ever tacked onto the end of a post.

  75. @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    Thank you for your service. Hope you didn’t switch to defense.

    • Replies: @Maus
    No, I retired after seeing the fruit of AB 109 and Propositions 36, 47 and 57. Last straw was a 10:00 a.m. sentencing for a residential burglary where $40,000 was stolen. I'd agreed to probation because female defendant had no record, a raging heroin addiction and the male co-defendant got 30+ years as a three-striker. I figured she either gets clean or goes to prison on the installment plan. Judge gives her probation with 120 days jail. She was released from jail on the cap shortly after lunch, having served less than 3 hours. So much for justice.
    The voters of CA asked for this. Now they can get it good and hard, as Mencken suggested.
  76. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase “well regulated Militia.” Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be “gun control” in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818–not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >well-regulated militia is a mysterious phrase
    Nope. There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none. There are appeals to ignorance and naked power grabs. If you get a little literacy in the issue you see that things that are offered as bold new ideas were thought of and rejected by the Founders, like keeping the weapons in central armories. All gun-grabber arguments depend on an uniformed audience. This and not NRA magic powers is why billions of dollars in election interference accomplishes nothing. Recall that bearded young man without a JD who calmly informs the CNN talking head, "if a law contradicts the Constitution then it's not a law."
    , @Svigor

    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase “well regulated Militia.” Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be “gun control” in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818–not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.
     
    If you're illiterate, this is persuasive.

    Otherwise, [clause with reasons redacted, because it's explanatory, not binding], you know what the 2nd Amendment means.


    Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate.
     
    Legally, that's exactly how it reads.
    , @Joe Stalin
    “THIS RIGHT IS NOT ALLOWED BY GOVERNMENTS
    THAT ARE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE”: THE PUBLIC
    MEANING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT WHEN THE
    FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT WAS RATIFIED"

    Clayton E. Cramer, Nicholas J. Johnson,and George A. Mocsary

    http://www.georgemasonlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/17-3_Johnson.pdf
  77. Hey, I see a little silhouetto of a cappucino cup on the little silouetto of a black man’s table. Misleading and disgraceful. The cops were called because those guys refused to leave despite having ordered nothing.

    Anyway– if leftists in the USA stop calling the cops on black people, they’re more likely to be around when others needs them because of black people

  78. @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    In Illinois (Chicago), all crimes, except class x felonies and murders, will see time reduced by 50 pct. Even aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

    Recently, on Valentine’s Day this year, a police commander was murdered in broad daylight in the downtown area of Chicago by a multiple convicted firearm felon whose sentence should have carried through until 2022.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-off-duty-officer-shot-downtown-20180213-story.html

  79. The left is simultaneously pushing two narratives these days:

    1. Any vaguely sexual thing said/done by a man to a woman requires the highest possible scrutiny and punishment (by workplaces, courts, colleges etc)

    2. Black men and boys are being disciplined/punished too often and too severely (by schools, courts etc)

    I think this is going to produce a narrative collision on a massive scale, see e.g.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-spt-minnesota-football-players-sue-school-20180608-story.html

    The soft underbelly of #MeToo will be its effects on black men.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    As an unprincipled exception, the left temporarily gives additional Pokémon points to white women in election years. In odd-numbered years and as white women become a less important component of the Democrat coalition, they'll revert to their typical who-whom logic.
    , @Flip
    The woman said she was "pressured" into having sex with multiple players. I wonder what that means. The prosecutors declined to prosecute so I suppose it wasn't rape.
  80. There is no question that blacks routinely receive greater surveillance and sometimes harsher handling by police than do non-blacks. The problem is that this even affects high end black people who have committed no crimes.

    I am all for putting people away and cracking skulls, but you cannot go after innocent people just because they look a certain way. That is not right.

    I’m sure many here feel the same way, how does society strike a balance absent a complete split? Do we simply accept the police treatment that sometimes skews negatively as a cost of a multi-racial society? How are high-end blacks supposed to respond to this?

    How do we deal with aggressive black criminality, a large number of black innocents who get abused and police who can only act as a human being can?

  81. @anon
    All this nonsense. You would almost think that blacks were vastly more violent, homicidal, and violent then other peoples are.

    Oh wait.........!

    Wise words from my Uncle Joe: “Them Guys, always remember that, A Wise Monkey Never Monkeys with another Monkeys, Monkey!”…Uncle Joey when youthful, also hung out with that kinda, sorta, famous guy called…..Jack Handy.

    Uncle Joe also pounded into my head every chance he got that: “Remember Them Guys, you can remove the monkey from Africa and place it in any other nations locations, however, you can Never Ever remove that Africa from the Monkey!” Boy was Uncle Joey well proved correct eh.

  82. Most 911 calls come from blacks.

    How about a separate number just for black problems?

    I suggest 487 or GTR(Good Times Rolling)

  83. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers “very fine people”

    This is not what in the realm of reality would be considered true.

    ps
    Mr. Sailer, only the person called would get the [dialtone]. For the caller it’s silence after a hang-up.
    Yeah, I know, spergy.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    I realized the other day that my 11-year-old niece has never heard a busy signal.
    She wouldn't know what it was if she did hear it.
  84. @AndrewR
    This is where I share for the xth time my story about being a person of non-color who has had the cops called on him multiple times by paranoid people of non-color despite having committed no crimes. It sucks, but it's the price you pay to live in a decent area. The alternative is a place where cops don't come even for real crimes. Of course it's not surprising that many black people want to live in such places.

    Not entirely relevant to a a US context, but years ago I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    Back when I still lived in Detroit, I knew a cool biker club member guy who always made up batches of Bumper-Sticker type labels, he made several sizes also. One good sticker he did was.

    Regards if a person need call for cops….Sticker label stated “Dial 1-800-DunkinDonuts if you need a cop fast!” I actually had occasion once to do this, and yes it did work. I had a stray dog at my yards gate fence, totally driving my Huge Siberian Huskey dog crazy in attempting to get out from behind gate and tear that stray dog a new one. Well, after well over a full hour of dealing with that stray dog, he kept returning every time I kicked his ass out. I called the normal 911 phone # to get detroit cops to come take dog away…I waited close to Two hrs!…Called back 911, and bitched at them for not yet attending to my stray dog issue. And 911 operator simply hung up on me!

    Then I saw my Motorcycle helmet on the floor near doorway, and seen that bumper sticker with call 1-800 donut shop on it…..So I figured what do I have to lose eh?…I dialed the Donut shop 3/4ths a mile away from my crib, asked donut shop worker women, “Hey Mam, do you by chance have any policemen there now?”….She laughed and said “Of Course we have policemen here dear! why? do You need a cop for an emergency or other issue?”

    So I said Yeah Mam please ask one of those policemen can I talk to them a bit….And when a cop grabbed her phone I began to explain issue of stray dog to him, he at first accused me of doing a Prank call etc….I assured him that I had a true real problem, and further if after I waited over two hrs now for reg. 911 center to handle it, if right Now some cop don’t come to my crib and remove that dog, I was going to retrieve my S&W .44 Mag and blow its stupid brains out and fix the problem for good…..That got the donut shop cop at my house asap fast!

    Then all I had to do was find a piece of rope so cops could take dog away in back of squad car….I wish I seen that helmet sticker sooner as It would have saved much time and frustration.

    Both detroit cops that arrived, were freeked out that anybody actually phoned the donut shop and requested police assistance….It ended with me giving them cops yet another cup coffee, and they laughed several time recalling how I phoned donut shop for them. I showed them cops that helmet sticker too for more laughs.

    That detroit biker guy who always conjured up good or funny stickers and passed them out to anybody who wanted one and free too, had another funny saying sticker I recall.

    That sticker came in two sizes, standard car bumper sized, and a smaller size to place on helmets or saddle bags….It stated: “FREE Breast Exams” heh heh, it got alot of strange looks when stopped at red light and a family in a sedan car was next to biker at red light, and noticed such a sticker on his side of helmet….Most folks ended up laughing at it. A few feminist types got really pissed off.

  85. @donut
    Fool , most elderly people have to budget for a postage stamp .

    ACLU Likely gets a huge bulk of cash donated Via same places the other 300+ jewish leftist orgs such as adl and splc et al get paid from. The combined totals from all 300+ jewish orgs in usa alone, would probably total, when all added up to at least several hundred billions $$$ each year I rekon.

    But there is likely no real way anyone can actually get such numbers, let alone a grand total of all such jewish orgs….Closely held top secret I’d guess. I’d also bet every such org is a Non-Profit type so zero fed tax gets paid out…While no real enforcement of laws against doing political opps ever are conducted either. Most everyone in the Jewnited Snakes of America greatly Fear being called an anti-Semite and a Nazi so jewry gets free pass usually.

  86. @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    Maus, what the law says and what the DA chooses to prosecute are often two separate things. Source,”Hill Street Blues”, “Law and Order”‘ “Wire” and “Perry Mason.”

  87. @El Dato

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee ...
     
    Because playing for the NFL is practically slavery. It's only lucky that the racist owners do not have the players' balls removed.

    El Dato, A few years ago the Buffalo Bills drafted Aaron Maybin with their draft pick in the first round of the NFL draft. He failed miserably as a pro football player. However, he is now an artist who paints pictures of naked black football players in chains being examined by NFL team owners, AKA slave owners. Whatever. Maybin’s time in NFL slavery chains netted him $14 million.

  88. The Buffalo News reported that a 16 year old girl was shot and critically wounded on Clay St. in the city (inner city). The police learned of the shooting when the victim was dropped off at Erie County Medical Center. See, no need to bother with a troublesome 911 call…or actually aid the police.

    • Replies: @Alden
    How charitable and gentlemanly of someone to drop her off at a hospital instead of letting her die in the street
  89. anon[814] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that the 2nd Amendment isn't so much anti-gun control (gun rights were a given when the woods were full of what Daniel Boone called bars and Injuns) as it's anti-militia control.

    If that’s the case then the 2nd shouldn’t apply to the governments of the states. The 2nd applies to the states because it’s an individual (personal) right that applies to the states through the 14th. See D.C. vs Heller for the full yadda, yadda, yadda on this point. [Nino Scalia would have made a good Jesuit.]

    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    “That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;”

    That is from the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The document was less than a century old when the Constitution was drafted, and all of the Founders would have been familiar with it. Indeed, much of the style of the Declaration of Independence is modeled after it. It clearly favors an individual right to keep arms for the defense of political rights. It’s a shame that it only limited the power of the crown, and not parliament as well. Our founders were wiser, or we are luckier, and our second amendment is broader in scope.
  90. @Buzz Mohawk
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg

    Indeed, the us const Militia Clause states Three distinct obligations the Militias of each state are to perform. #1= Enforce the Laws. (statues in org words), #2= Stop All Insurrections= Like when masses of savage negroes Riot etc. and #3= Repel INVASIONS!…Ie: Like when Illegal masses enter usa from our borders, such as we see daily by Mexicans and other south americans et al.

    So basically if say, 1/2 to a million fed up usa armed citizens decided to go to southern mex border zones, and Repel by Whatever force is made necessary BY those illegals attempting entry, every single milita member would be in keeping with doing their personal/group Duty as a states militia member…Furthermore, by Fed Laws, still On books since around 1789 or earlier yet(?) EVERY US Male citizen between ages of 17 yrs old to 60 yrs old IS a member of their own states militia….Like it or Not!….Only exemptions are same as regular army reasons…Concientious objectors. And too phys disabled to do so.

    Plus due to feministic lobbies crys of “Unfair to women” issues, a new fed law was added around 1970’s era I think it was, that Now even states females same ages as males Can be militia members as long as the woman is Also a member of army etc or Nat Guard…It may read slightly different as that’s not verbatim here…Close enough though for now.

    So if a large enough fed ups decided to actually comply with us const mandates, and used us const principals as main reason to go to mex border zone and REPEL Invaders….Well even us supremes would Have to agree…So would every idiot open border asshole and antigun clown too.

    For it is always They who bitch loudest about “Hey You Must Obey us const”! Okay lets do so eh!

  91. @songbird
    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does - just based on name: "American" and "Liberties".

    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does – just based on name: “American” and “Liberties”.

    They know exactly what it means: communist Jewish lawyers hammering Whites.

    • Replies: @Alden
    They’ve got a lot of 5th rate law school Hispanic frontmen nowadays. Few blacks for the obvious reasons
  92. @27 year old
    I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.

    This is yet another slow toss right over the plate for Trump and republicans in general. "Democrats say you're racist if you call the police. Another example of why they will lose BIG in Nov. Remeber to vote!"

    Republicans can follow up by introducing a bill to protect people calling 911 in good faith to report crimes (or some such)

    But of course, the stupid party.

    But aren’t there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.

    How’s about new fed law, equally applied to all 50 states too, that mandates that “Untill US/State/Local, Public, Officials start to OBEY all the Same laws as apply to all others, usa citizens NO longer will need obey laws either, as long as it is the very same laws public officials Disobey on a regular basis!”

    For a good example of a public official disobeying a law…Police typically disobey speeding laws…Therefore, I too am now able to take my 2009 Z-06 Vette for a nice two lane cruise or better yet out on a nice freshly paved Freeway, and see what it feels like to reach the vettes Top Sped of, 198 MPH!! as Proven on G.M. Track Tested same vettes!

    And since my vette has Track Ready straight from GM Factory made, capabilities to handle corners etc same as GT race cars do, I too can Now drive much faster and corner at ungodly speeds when I feel I should hurry same as so many cops drive like eh.

    • Replies: @anon

    But aren’t there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.
     
    No.
  93. J.Ross says: • Website

    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/7/17426968/white-racism-welfare-cuts-snap-food-stamps

    Because exposure to the information is randomly determined, one would expect each group to have similar levels of genuine conservatism on economic policy and welfare. The only difference is that one group has been primed to think about threats to white status in the US.

    That difference turns out to matter quite a bit. In the first experiment, participants were shown either population projections from 2000 to 2020, which showed white Americans maintaining their majority with relatively minor changes, or projections from 1960 to 2060, which show a dramatic reduction in the white population share until it reaches minority status. The authors called these the “Majority Salient” and “Decline Salient” groups, respectively.

    Each group was then asked if they agreed with two statements on welfare policy — “We are spending too much money on welfare” and “Public assistance is necessary to ensure fairness in our society” — and given a game where they had to find $500 million to cut from the federal budget; the game offered nine spending categories, one of which was “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (Welfare).”

  94. @anonymous
    You shouldn’t report nothing to nobody. Ever!

    Nine former and current University of Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination.

    The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, alleges that the university conducted "intentional, willful and malicious" discrimination based on the players' race and gender during the school's investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student.

    The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.

    The university expelled or suspended five of the players. There were no criminal charges filed in the case.
     
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/06/08/former-current-football-players-sue-university-of-minnesota

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.

    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM “Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action” reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn’t exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn’t exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players’ apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, “No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time.” The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with “what happened,” and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the “consent” issue.

    You wouldn’t know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university’s Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration’s famed “Dear Colleague” letter, applying a “more likely than not” standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a “guilty” verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 — woman
    1 — asserts #metoo claim
    0 — white
    2 — Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 — Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 — #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 — Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota’s liability policy is paid up.

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    A drunk woman cannot give consent. Therefore, it was at least sexual battery, if not rape. The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent
    , @eric
    This was a classic regret turned into a criminal case. The U should pay. Luckily, one of the kids is the son of an NFL player (Winfield). He didn't get the worst penalty, but he can afford a good lawyer and sees this is a good case.
    , @ScarletNumber
    I don't know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players. Am I missing something?
    , @Alden
    If the football players win, the colleges will have to get rid of the kangaroo courts that suspend and expel men just on accusations.

    Negative is that there will be even more black on White rapes at colleges by black students and non student predators alike.
  95. @anonymous
    You shouldn’t report nothing to nobody. Ever!

    Nine former and current University of Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination.

    The lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, alleges that the university conducted "intentional, willful and malicious" discrimination based on the players' race and gender during the school's investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student.

    The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.

    The university expelled or suspended five of the players. There were no criminal charges filed in the case.
     
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/06/08/former-current-football-players-sue-university-of-minnesota

    That’s what happens when you go easy on them. Criminal charges should have been filed.

  96. Maus says:
    @Lot
    Thank you for your service. Hope you didn't switch to defense.

    No, I retired after seeing the fruit of AB 109 and Propositions 36, 47 and 57. Last straw was a 10:00 a.m. sentencing for a residential burglary where $40,000 was stolen. I’d agreed to probation because female defendant had no record, a raging heroin addiction and the male co-defendant got 30+ years as a three-striker. I figured she either gets clean or goes to prison on the installment plan. Judge gives her probation with 120 days jail. She was released from jail on the cap shortly after lunch, having served less than 3 hours. So much for justice.
    The voters of CA asked for this. Now they can get it good and hard, as Mencken suggested.

  97. @Patrick Costello
    The left is simultaneously pushing two narratives these days:

    1. Any vaguely sexual thing said/done by a man to a woman requires the highest possible scrutiny and punishment (by workplaces, courts, colleges etc)

    2. Black men and boys are being disciplined/punished too often and too severely (by schools, courts etc)

    I think this is going to produce a narrative collision on a massive scale, see e.g.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-spt-minnesota-football-players-sue-school-20180608-story.html

    The soft underbelly of #MeToo will be its effects on black men.

    As an unprincipled exception, the left temporarily gives additional Pokémon points to white women in election years. In odd-numbered years and as white women become a less important component of the Democrat coalition, they’ll revert to their typical who-whom logic.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    “The Militia” is actually defined in law:

    (ref: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html)

    10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia:  composition and classes

    (a)  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)  The classes of the militia are–

    (1)  the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;  and

    (2)  the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    If you are an able-bodied male U.S citizen between the ages of 17 and 45, you are automatically a member of the militia.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    And that " except as provided in section 313 of title 32 ", part I think says it was changed to allow males up to age 60 yrs old(?). But after age 45 its only voluntary.
  99. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT In a new interview at Bezos Blog, George Soros (whose foreign interference in American elections is apparently okay under the same still-unspecified law that forbids Russia from doing a much smaller version of the same activity) says, “Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.”

    Soros, who plans to spend at least $15 million in 2018 races, has already faced some setbacks this cycle. His bid to replace several district attorneys in California with challengers seeking changes to the criminal justice system was largely unsuccessful in Tuesday’s elections. “We ran into a brick wall in California,” he said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-must-be-doing-something-right-billionaire-george-soros-faces-renewed-attacks-with-defiance/2018/06/09/3ba0e2b0-6825-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.db1541166800

    Notice that they describe a global electoral revolt as “washing” (like waves getting cut through by a ship, or as againat rocks) on globalist values.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Unfortunately, Soros is an American citizen, in the strictly legal sense.
  100. @Clifford Brown
    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Were they always this insane? Maybe I am deluding myself, but I still think that the ACLU was once a serious organization. I supported them because of their commitment to Free Speech, but I can't figure out if they really support even that anymore.

    What the hell is going on?

    https://action.aclu.org/petition/nfl-dont-silence-your-players

    When the NFL set this policy, it sent a message to the country – and to players – on its values. Yet deeming what’s "disrespectful" is highly subjective. President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers "very fine people," while calling Black NFL players "sons of bitches" for kneeling during the anthem.

    For Trump and the mainly white and wealthy NFL owners who oppose #TakeAKnee, kneeling during the national anthem shows disrespect. But respect and love for America doesn't require blindness to America's failure to honor its promise of racial justice and equality – failures that are made even more evident each time the police murder a person of color and get away with it.

    We need to act now to tell the NFL to stop silencing its players. Sign this petition telling the NFL to respect its players' voices and rescind this new policy immediately.
     

    I was once indeed a card carrying member of the ACLU.

    Me too, early 80s. I even worked their phone hotline. It was for people to report violations of their civil liberties. A valid-sounding case came in now and tben but mostly it was people disgruntled over getting fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for perfectly legitimate reasons.

    As for the right to not stand at attention for the national anthem, I’d have more sympathy for that, if it weren’t for the fact the left insists on us standing at solemn attention for their causes: try “disrespecting” trannies, blacks, “immigrants” or Muslims.

  101. Nationalism vs Globalism

  102. @27 year old
    I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.

    This is yet another slow toss right over the plate for Trump and republicans in general. "Democrats say you're racist if you call the police. Another example of why they will lose BIG in Nov. Remeber to vote!"

    Republicans can follow up by introducing a bill to protect people calling 911 in good faith to report crimes (or some such)

    But of course, the stupid party.

    It’s another front in the War on Noticing.

  103. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Interesting. Then we come down to defining what a militia is. Do we have the right to organize among ourselves, with our weapons, for purposes we deem worthy? It would seem so.

    There is the military establishment kind of militia, but there is also the rebellious kind -- or just the self-protective community kind.

    The Founders discussed this thoroughly and the original author of the amendment spelled out explicitly that the people (to the exclusion of government) are the militia:

    “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
    — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
    Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

    Mason’s Virginia Constitution was heavily relied upon by the Convention drafting the national Constitution. Mason’s original formulation reverses the now familiar order of the “being necessary” clauses and was understood to mean the same thing.
    Nice site:
    http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm

  104. First will be a law criminalizing the filming of negroes committing crimes. That will end Colin Flaherty’s schtick as well as police dashcams and bodycams. It’s racist as hell to produce video disproving “I dindu nuffin” as the pinnacle of criminal defense.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    The erasure has already begun:

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholding-surveillance-videos-of-crime-to-avoid-stereotypes/
  105. @Them Guys
    But aren't there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.

    How's about new fed law, equally applied to all 50 states too, that mandates that "Untill US/State/Local, Public, Officials start to OBEY all the Same laws as apply to all others, usa citizens NO longer will need obey laws either, as long as it is the very same laws public officials Disobey on a regular basis!"


    For a good example of a public official disobeying a law...Police typically disobey speeding laws...Therefore, I too am now able to take my 2009 Z-06 Vette for a nice two lane cruise or better yet out on a nice freshly paved Freeway, and see what it feels like to reach the vettes Top Sped of, 198 MPH!! as Proven on G.M. Track Tested same vettes!


    And since my vette has Track Ready straight from GM Factory made, capabilities to handle corners etc same as GT race cars do, I too can Now drive much faster and corner at ungodly speeds when I feel I should hurry same as so many cops drive like eh.

    But aren’t there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.

    No.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    You're right in written law, but, the favorite thing of the FBI and other agencies in investigations is to ask "how were you not aware of this?" and "why didn't you say anything?" with a clear implication to the survival-minded.
    , @Them Guys
    I believe laws exist that mandate a citizens duty to report known crime etc...What is NOT mandated or an law is for a citizen to be mandated to assist at an accident scene injury and such.


    Also if you fail to report a known crime you can be charged as an accessory to the crime. As in After the fact accomplice.


    I aint no lawyer but do 99% think I am correct here. Maybe a real lawyer if here can chime in eh?
  106. @anon
    All this nonsense. You would almost think that blacks were vastly more violent, homicidal, and violent then other peoples are.

    Oh wait.........!

    All this nonsense. You would almost think that blacks were vastly more violent, homicidal, and violent then other peoples are.

    Oh wait………!

    You said rape twice!

  107. @Patrick Costello
    The left is simultaneously pushing two narratives these days:

    1. Any vaguely sexual thing said/done by a man to a woman requires the highest possible scrutiny and punishment (by workplaces, courts, colleges etc)

    2. Black men and boys are being disciplined/punished too often and too severely (by schools, courts etc)

    I think this is going to produce a narrative collision on a massive scale, see e.g.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-spt-minnesota-football-players-sue-school-20180608-story.html

    The soft underbelly of #MeToo will be its effects on black men.

    The woman said she was “pressured” into having sex with multiple players. I wonder what that means. The prosecutors declined to prosecute so I suppose it wasn’t rape.

  108. @anon

    But aren’t there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.
     
    No.

    You’re right in written law, but, the favorite thing of the FBI and other agencies in investigations is to ask “how were you not aware of this?” and “why didn’t you say anything?” with a clear implication to the survival-minded.

  109. @anonymous
    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase "well regulated Militia." Had the Second Amendment simply read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we wouldn't be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be "gun control" in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818--not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.

    >well-regulated militia is a mysterious phrase
    Nope. There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none. There are appeals to ignorance and naked power grabs. If you get a little literacy in the issue you see that things that are offered as bold new ideas were thought of and rejected by the Founders, like keeping the weapons in central armories. All gun-grabber arguments depend on an uniformed audience. This and not NRA magic powers is why billions of dollars in election interference accomplishes nothing. Recall that bearded young man without a JD who calmly informs the CNN talking head, “if a law contradicts the Constitution then it’s not a law.”

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none.
     
    I don't know if you are being disingenuous, obtuse, or what?

    Gun nuts are called that for a reason...
  110. @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    So you’re saying you’re nobody?

  111. @anonymous
    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase "well regulated Militia." Had the Second Amendment simply read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we wouldn't be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be "gun control" in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818--not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.

    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase “well regulated Militia.” Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be “gun control” in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818–not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.

    If you’re illiterate, this is persuasive.

    Otherwise, [clause with reasons redacted, because it’s explanatory, not binding], you know what the 2nd Amendment means.

    Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate.

    Legally, that’s exactly how it reads.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Legally, that’s exactly how it reads.
     
    Yes, that's why all the SCOTUS decisions on the issue are 9-0...
  112. @Anonymous
    It was funnier the first time.

    Ha – yeah the 1st comment didn’t show up as “awaiting moderation”, so I thought it got flushed.

  113. @Maus
    You are incorrect. A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another's person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison. It does not require use of a weapon. Indeed, if a PC 211 were committed with a firearm, it would add a mandatory minimum of 10 years and require the person to serve 85% of the time.

    What you are complaining about is mere petty theft, which involves no use of force. Annoying yes; but completely different than robbery.

    Source: I was a CA prosecutor for 22 years.

    A forcible robbery, Penal Code sec 211, involves the taking of property of any value (even $1) from another’s person with force or violence. It is always a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 5 years in prison.

    So if I punched you in the gut, hard enough to hurt but no worse (2nd degree assault?) and didn’t take anything from you, it would be a misdemeanor, but if I also took $5 from you, it would become a felony?

  114. @AndrewR
    This is where I share for the xth time my story about being a person of non-color who has had the cops called on him multiple times by paranoid people of non-color despite having committed no crimes. It sucks, but it's the price you pay to live in a decent area. The alternative is a place where cops don't come even for real crimes. Of course it's not surprising that many black people want to live in such places.

    Not entirely relevant to a a US context, but years ago I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    Agree. From teens through thirties, I’ve been accosted many times by police on suspicion of whatever. I didn’t resist and answered their questions and didn’t get all indignant (even when I felt like it) and ultimately was able to go on my way. Sometimes mightily annoyed, but that’s life.

    On one occasion I actually was committing a minor crime, but it turned out that the cop was picking me up on the suspicion of something different. Once I realized what was actually happening, I stopped being so evasive, he realized I wasn’t the droid he was looking for and all’s well that ends well.

  115. @anon

    But aren’t there already laws on the books that mandate it is a citizens duty to report all forms crimes and criminal activity etc? I do believe so yes.
     
    No.

    I believe laws exist that mandate a citizens duty to report known crime etc…What is NOT mandated or an law is for a citizen to be mandated to assist at an accident scene injury and such.

    Also if you fail to report a known crime you can be charged as an accessory to the crime. As in After the fact accomplice.

    I aint no lawyer but do 99% think I am correct here. Maybe a real lawyer if here can chime in eh?

    • Replies: @anon
    There's no general legal duty to report a crime in U.S. jurisdictions , many exceptions exist.
    , @Maus
    While it is correct that there is no general duty to report crime (hence no criminal liability for failing to do so); certain people are designated "mandated reporters" in California's penal code. So, e.g., a teacher who learns of child abuse or a bank employee who learns of elder financial abuse faces misdemeanor prosecution for failure to report the suspected crime to law enforcement. As a practical matter, most mandated reporters are aware of their responsibility and readily comply. Those few who do not are rarely prosecuted, unless the consequences of their failure led to a significant assault of death.

    Accomplice liability is governed by Penal Code sec. 32. While you have to know not only that a crime has been committed and who has committed it, the essential element of the offense is that you act either to aid that person in the commission of the crime or to conceal their detection and apprehension by law enforcement. Merely knowing they did the crime and failing to report them wouldn't be enough.

  116. @Sagamore Sam
    "The Militia" is actually defined in law:

    (ref: https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html)

    10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia:  composition and classes

    (a)  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

    (b)  The classes of the militia are--

    (1)  the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;  and

    (2)  the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

     

    If you are an able-bodied male U.S citizen between the ages of 17 and 45, you are automatically a member of the militia.

    And that ” except as provided in section 313 of title 32 “, part I think says it was changed to allow males up to age 60 yrs old(?). But after age 45 its only voluntary.

  117. 9-11: [Click]

    9-11: [Dialtone]

    Although click-dialtone occurs in movies it doesn’t actually occur with Bell system telephone switchgear: A hangup does not automatically send a dial tone to the other party.

  118. anon[365] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Calling 911 is not OK! What part of f*** the pōlice do you not get?

    The heat index has been at 102. Sweat makes my clothes stick to my skin and in the evening the mosquitos attack with a vengeance. It’s safe to say that summer is in full swing. Schools around the country are out of session until fall, so there are more children out and about playing with water guns, going to pool parties and attending barbecues.

    Yet, the more people of color that get together, the more white folks feel like they need to put a stop to carefree blackness. Playing with toy guns, barbecues and pool parties have all been disturbed by police presence as a result of racist ideology – sometimes ending in violence.

    The police have strong tendencies to discriminate, but with racially motivated 911 calls, it’s a team effort. They are used as tools to inflict violence on black folks: the most recent example that has garnered attention is of “BBQ Becky,” a white woman who called the police on a black family for having a charcoal grill in a non-designated location in Oakland, California.

    https://www.thevermilion.com/allons/why-are-you-really-calling-the-police/article_c8bfa278-6878-11e8-a5c6-ff98b487f77b.html

  119. @ic1000

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.
     
    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM "Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action" reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn't exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn't exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players' apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, "No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time." The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with "what happened," and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the "consent" issue.

    You wouldn't know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university's Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration's famed "Dear Colleague" letter, applying a "more likely than not" standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a "guilty" verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 -- woman
    1 -- asserts #metoo claim
    0 -- white
    2 -- Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 -- Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 -- #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 -- Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota's liability policy is paid up.

    A drunk woman cannot give consent. Therefore, it was at least sexual battery, if not rape. The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    or maybe she wasn't drunk to the point where she couldn't give consent. Stop pretending women don't have agency.
    , @Stan d Mute

    The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent
     
    Surely no more so than the “victim”? I don’t recall hearing that the prosecutor went home with a pack of negroes and then complained about the inevitable outcome.
  120. @Them Guys
    I believe laws exist that mandate a citizens duty to report known crime etc...What is NOT mandated or an law is for a citizen to be mandated to assist at an accident scene injury and such.


    Also if you fail to report a known crime you can be charged as an accessory to the crime. As in After the fact accomplice.


    I aint no lawyer but do 99% think I am correct here. Maybe a real lawyer if here can chime in eh?

    There’s no general legal duty to report a crime in U.S. jurisdictions , many exceptions exist.

  121. @ic1000

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.
     
    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM "Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action" reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn't exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn't exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players' apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, "No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time." The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with "what happened," and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the "consent" issue.

    You wouldn't know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university's Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration's famed "Dear Colleague" letter, applying a "more likely than not" standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a "guilty" verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 -- woman
    1 -- asserts #metoo claim
    0 -- white
    2 -- Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 -- Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 -- #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 -- Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota's liability policy is paid up.

    This was a classic regret turned into a criminal case. The U should pay. Luckily, one of the kids is the son of an NFL player (Winfield). He didn’t get the worst penalty, but he can afford a good lawyer and sees this is a good case.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  122. @anonymous
    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase "well regulated Militia." Had the Second Amendment simply read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" we wouldn't be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be "gun control" in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818--not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.

    “THIS RIGHT IS NOT ALLOWED BY GOVERNMENTS
    THAT ARE AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE”: THE PUBLIC
    MEANING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT WHEN THE
    FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT WAS RATIFIED”

    Clayton E. Cramer, Nicholas J. Johnson,and George A. Mocsary

    http://www.georgemasonlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/17-3_Johnson.pdf

  123. @gate666
    they did.

    they did.

    When?

  124. @ic1000

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.
     
    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM "Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action" reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn't exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn't exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players' apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, "No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time." The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with "what happened," and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the "consent" issue.

    You wouldn't know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university's Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration's famed "Dear Colleague" letter, applying a "more likely than not" standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a "guilty" verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 -- woman
    1 -- asserts #metoo claim
    0 -- white
    2 -- Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 -- Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 -- #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 -- Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota's liability policy is paid up.

    I don’t know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players. Am I missing something?

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > I don’t know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players.

    The legal question is whether the players committed felony rape. The DA declined to prosecute. IANAL and don't know enough to weigh in.

    The ethical question is whether the players behaved properly in having sex with the drunk girl. In the way that they did, which few if any females would "consent" to, if sober. Would you be pleased if one of those guys had been your son? I would be outraged. Dismayed that 18 years of child-raising had led to that moral code.

    .
    The #MeToo kangaroo-court aspects of universities' Title IX hearings in the aftermath of drunken sex are well known. Does the pendulum have to swing entirely to nonjudgmentalism? If conduct isn't proven illegal with a conviction in criminal court, does any institution have the right to sanction anybody? Could a student be penalized for, say, plagiarism? If a black male student is found guilty of, say, plagiarism by a university board with due-process safeguards, is that necessarily evidence of discrimination on the basis of gender and race?

  125. @J.Ross
    >well-regulated militia is a mysterious phrase
    Nope. There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none. There are appeals to ignorance and naked power grabs. If you get a little literacy in the issue you see that things that are offered as bold new ideas were thought of and rejected by the Founders, like keeping the weapons in central armories. All gun-grabber arguments depend on an uniformed audience. This and not NRA magic powers is why billions of dollars in election interference accomplishes nothing. Recall that bearded young man without a JD who calmly informs the CNN talking head, "if a law contradicts the Constitution then it's not a law."

    There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none.

    I don’t know if you are being disingenuous, obtuse, or what?

    Gun nuts are called that for a reason…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Thank you for illustrating my point.
    I didn't want to go into it without the links and pictures, but almost all big name anti-Constitution activists are "gun nuts:" one famous one who does a lot of organizing has a license for full auto and frequently attends full auto shooting contests. This is a fake controversy that has no grounds on law or history or safety, it owes its longevity to people who want to sound reasonable giving time to snake oil salesmen. We will not get away from the fact that law is rotting skin spread belatedly over the bones of culture. Law can contradict culture (and does all the time) with the result that criminality becomes normal, like the Italian cash economy. This has obvious implications for diversity; part of the motive of the globalists is the elimination of the cultural basis of law, so that the law can just be pure government fiat, and any opposing parties will be divided and balanced by various nominal statists.
  126. @Svigor

    I support private gun ownership but it has to be said that you can drive a fleet of tractor trailers through that mystery phrase “well regulated Militia.” Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate. If there was going to be “gun control” in this country then it should have been imposed in 1818–not 2018. The gun control advocates are a bit too late for the party.
     
    If you're illiterate, this is persuasive.

    Otherwise, [clause with reasons redacted, because it's explanatory, not binding], you know what the 2nd Amendment means.


    Had the Second Amendment simply read “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” we wouldn’t be having this endless (and ultimately pointless) debate.
     
    Legally, that's exactly how it reads.

    Legally, that’s exactly how it reads.

    Yes, that’s why all the SCOTUS decisions on the issue are 9-0…

    • Replies: @Anon
    No, that's because SCOTUS sees itself, not as a collection of jurists, but as a quasi-legislative assembly.

    With exceptions of course, like the late Scalia.
  127. @Joe Joe
    A drunk woman cannot give consent. Therefore, it was at least sexual battery, if not rape. The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent

    or maybe she wasn’t drunk to the point where she couldn’t give consent. Stop pretending women don’t have agency.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Umm that’s the law, not Scarlet Number’s opinion. It always amazes me that the very respectable even celibate men in this site are always defending rapists.

    I get the impression none of you guys have ever even pushed a woman down on a couch or purposely given a woman an 80% vodka 20% soda drink but some of you always defend rapists and sex assaulters.
    , @Alden
    That’s the law, not Joe Joe’s opinion.

    Obviously there were other factors than the fact that she was drunk that led the prosecutors to not charge them. Probably the fact that they were black.

    60 years of that book To Kill a Mockingbird taught in every middle high school and college has brainwashed the entire country to believe that black men are always the victim of false charges

    I read somewhere that alcohol makes women emotionally submissive not just physically weaker but it makes men more emotionally and physically aggressive I have no idea if it’s true or not.

    I bet those football players will have more rape and sex assault accusations brought against them in the future. It’s the standard pattern of criminal behavior.

    I remember my first rape case. I pulled his record. 14 arrests for rape, 6 convictions. Served a few years for all of them. Of course that was when the sentence for rape was maybe 6 months counting time served and good behavior.

    He was arrested for the rape of a woman he knew from high school and charged. He committed a second rape during the trial.

    He was out in bail. Court recessed at noon. He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.
    Because she was a tourist he got 10 years for the second rape. Also he disobeyed the judges direct order when court recessed that day. Ultra liberal judge specifically ordered him to go back to work at his black activist grant hustler non profit job. Instead he picked up the 15 year old tourist and raped her.

    People who don’t work in law enforcement don’t realize that there really aren’ t that many criminals in the population. It’s just a few who commit all the crimes. You can really see it in a small population county.

    Put just one rapist or car jacker or bank robber away and watch the stats go way down for that crime. Then he gets out and starts doing the same crimes again.


    Why do White conservative men defend black rapists? Only thing I can think of is the To Kill a Mockingbird incessant brainwashing starting in middle school
  128. @Them Guys
    I believe laws exist that mandate a citizens duty to report known crime etc...What is NOT mandated or an law is for a citizen to be mandated to assist at an accident scene injury and such.


    Also if you fail to report a known crime you can be charged as an accessory to the crime. As in After the fact accomplice.


    I aint no lawyer but do 99% think I am correct here. Maybe a real lawyer if here can chime in eh?

    While it is correct that there is no general duty to report crime (hence no criminal liability for failing to do so); certain people are designated “mandated reporters” in California’s penal code. So, e.g., a teacher who learns of child abuse or a bank employee who learns of elder financial abuse faces misdemeanor prosecution for failure to report the suspected crime to law enforcement. As a practical matter, most mandated reporters are aware of their responsibility and readily comply. Those few who do not are rarely prosecuted, unless the consequences of their failure led to a significant assault of death.

    Accomplice liability is governed by Penal Code sec. 32. While you have to know not only that a crime has been committed and who has committed it, the essential element of the offense is that you act either to aid that person in the commission of the crime or to conceal their detection and apprehension by law enforcement. Merely knowing they did the crime and failing to report them wouldn’t be enough.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    Tell it to Michael Fortier. He went to prison for 12 years for failing to snitch on McVeigh and Nichols.
    , @Macumazahn
    Please explain to us the legal meaning of the term "misprision of a felony".
  129. @AndrewR
    This is where I share for the xth time my story about being a person of non-color who has had the cops called on him multiple times by paranoid people of non-color despite having committed no crimes. It sucks, but it's the price you pay to live in a decent area. The alternative is a place where cops don't come even for real crimes. Of course it's not surprising that many black people want to live in such places.

    Not entirely relevant to a a US context, but years ago I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.

    That happened to me perhaps half a dozen times in the UK in my late teens – I’m a 1960 born white, RP speaking, Englishman – and it even happened in daylight.

    • Replies: @Thud
    Scouse speaking so probably guilty but same age as you and also stopped and searched numerous times, never bothered me at all.
    , @stillCARealist
    It happened to me a few times as a young, white female. I think cops figure if someone is out late at night there might be mischief afoot.

    Sorry young black guys, you're not as special as you think. Lots of us get harassed by authority figures when the circumstances are not in our favor. Try being the adult in charge and having to decide whether to act on your suspicions.
  130. @Wilkey
    I'll just post the appropriate quote regarding cops and blacks so that no one else has to:

    "The justice system doesn't exist to protect the law-abiding from criminals. It exists to protect criminals from the law-abiding."

    If we stop punishing blacks for misbehavior we aren't going to be singing Kumbaya. We're going to have lynchings, self-defense shootings, and other forms of vigilante justice. But I guess that's what the ACLU wants. I don't own a gun. I can't even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    I don’t own a gun. I can’t even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    Don’t wait too long on that. You might decide you really need one after in a crisis when martial law may suspend the sale of guns or ammunition in a crisis.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The FBI said that there were 2+ million gun background checks done in May, and ARs and AKs are nowhere to be found in gun stores. Gee, I wonder why?
    , @Joe Stalin
    Yes, when MLK got assassinated in 1968 Chicago and surrounding suburbs got a ban on firearms sales as well as ammunition bans. When the LA cops were not convicted in the Rodney King beating, the ensuing riots resulted in a similar ban there on arms & ammo. The Korean shop keepers ran low on ammo.

    You can never have too much ammunition.

    And lets not forget Charleton Heston talking about how his anti-gun Hollywood acquaintances were asking him for arms during the rioting.
  131. @J.Ross
    OT In a new interview at Bezos Blog, George Soros (whose foreign interference in American elections is apparently okay under the same still-unspecified law that forbids Russia from doing a much smaller version of the same activity) says, "Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.”

    Soros, who plans to spend at least $15 million in 2018 races, has already faced some setbacks this cycle. His bid to replace several district attorneys in California with challengers seeking changes to the criminal justice system was largely unsuccessful in Tuesday’s elections. “We ran into a brick wall in California,” he said.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-must-be-doing-something-right-billionaire-george-soros-faces-renewed-attacks-with-defiance/2018/06/09/3ba0e2b0-6825-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.db1541166800

    Notice that they describe a global electoral revolt as "washing" (like waves getting cut through by a ship, or as againat rocks) on globalist values.

    Unfortunately, Soros is an American citizen, in the strictly legal sense.

  132. @Stan d Mute
    First will be a law criminalizing the filming of negroes committing crimes. That will end Colin Flaherty’s schtick as well as police dashcams and bodycams. It’s racist as hell to produce video disproving “I dindu nuffin” as the pinnacle of criminal defense.
    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  133. @Anonymous
    OT, but how did we, per Google homepage, get up to having 3 separate gay pride flags? I guessed, correctly it seems, the middle icon was one of them newfangled transgender flags -- but the third is a mystery, explained at neither Emojibase nor Wikipedia's "Vexillology Portal"

    And no Doodle for the anniversary of D-Day

  134. @Yngvar

    President Trump, for example, called the Charlottesville KKK marchers “very fine people”
     
    This is not what in the realm of reality would be considered true.

    ps
    Mr. Sailer, only the person called would get the [dialtone]. For the caller it's silence after a hang-up.
    Yeah, I know, spergy.

    I realized the other day that my 11-year-old niece has never heard a busy signal.
    She wouldn’t know what it was if she did hear it.

  135. @Maus
    While it is correct that there is no general duty to report crime (hence no criminal liability for failing to do so); certain people are designated "mandated reporters" in California's penal code. So, e.g., a teacher who learns of child abuse or a bank employee who learns of elder financial abuse faces misdemeanor prosecution for failure to report the suspected crime to law enforcement. As a practical matter, most mandated reporters are aware of their responsibility and readily comply. Those few who do not are rarely prosecuted, unless the consequences of their failure led to a significant assault of death.

    Accomplice liability is governed by Penal Code sec. 32. While you have to know not only that a crime has been committed and who has committed it, the essential element of the offense is that you act either to aid that person in the commission of the crime or to conceal their detection and apprehension by law enforcement. Merely knowing they did the crime and failing to report them wouldn't be enough.

    Tell it to Michael Fortier. He went to prison for 12 years for failing to snitch on McVeigh and Nichols.

  136. @Maus
    While it is correct that there is no general duty to report crime (hence no criminal liability for failing to do so); certain people are designated "mandated reporters" in California's penal code. So, e.g., a teacher who learns of child abuse or a bank employee who learns of elder financial abuse faces misdemeanor prosecution for failure to report the suspected crime to law enforcement. As a practical matter, most mandated reporters are aware of their responsibility and readily comply. Those few who do not are rarely prosecuted, unless the consequences of their failure led to a significant assault of death.

    Accomplice liability is governed by Penal Code sec. 32. While you have to know not only that a crime has been committed and who has committed it, the essential element of the offense is that you act either to aid that person in the commission of the crime or to conceal their detection and apprehension by law enforcement. Merely knowing they did the crime and failing to report them wouldn't be enough.

    Please explain to us the legal meaning of the term “misprision of a felony”.

  137. @ScarletNumber
    I don't know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players. Am I missing something?

    > I don’t know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players.

    The legal question is whether the players committed felony rape. The DA declined to prosecute. IANAL and don’t know enough to weigh in.

    The ethical question is whether the players behaved properly in having sex with the drunk girl. In the way that they did, which few if any females would “consent” to, if sober. Would you be pleased if one of those guys had been your son? I would be outraged. Dismayed that 18 years of child-raising had led to that moral code.

    .
    The #MeToo kangaroo-court aspects of universities’ Title IX hearings in the aftermath of drunken sex are well known. Does the pendulum have to swing entirely to nonjudgmentalism? If conduct isn’t proven illegal with a conviction in criminal court, does any institution have the right to sanction anybody? Could a student be penalized for, say, plagiarism? If a black male student is found guilty of, say, plagiarism by a university board with due-process safeguards, is that necessarily evidence of discrimination on the basis of gender and race?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    In the way that they did, which few if any females would “consent” to, if sober.
     
    I think you are underestimating how some far some coeds will go to please football players.

    And no, I wouldn't be upset at my son for doing this. However, I would be upset at him for plagiarism, since that goes against the raison d'etre of the university and is a sign of bad morals and/or laziness.
  138. @ScarletNumber

    Legally, that’s exactly how it reads.
     
    Yes, that's why all the SCOTUS decisions on the issue are 9-0...

    No, that’s because SCOTUS sees itself, not as a collection of jurists, but as a quasi-legislative assembly.

    With exceptions of course, like the late Scalia.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  139. @Buzz Mohawk

    ACLU does not recognise the right of individuals to own guns. It argues that the references to an armed militia in the constitution refer to the modern regular army and reserves.
     
    The ACLU is wrong. Their interpretation of how Amendment II is written is colored by their preexisting opinion.

    When the amendment was written, militiamen owned their guns. With or without a comma, the amendment makes it clear that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The words before that part simply give a reason for the right at that time. The right exists and is stated, regardless. Period.

    The ACLU has an agenda.

    Buzz,

    A couple of items to consider.

    First, recall the Mel Gibson move, The Patriot. The militia were not accustomed to firing volleys while standing still and receiving incoming fire. So they tended to break and run after firing a few shots. The British general in the movie would always scan the American lines to determine where the militia was. Then he ordered his forces to attack at that point knowing the militia would crumble.

    Second, Baron Von Steuben came to Valley Forge to help train the Continental Army. He wrote his famous Blue Book known as the Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States. The manual trained Washington’s army to be able to fire the musket as efficiently and accurately as possible while under fire by forcing the men to follow a strict set of steps or regulations.

    Thus, when the phrase “a well-regulated militia” later appears, it most certainly had nothing to do with the modern connotation of the word which implies some sort of government oversight. Rather the Founders knew the militia’s shortcomings from the Revolution and wanted them to be better trained or regulated, if you will.

  140. @27 year old
    I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.

    This is yet another slow toss right over the plate for Trump and republicans in general. "Democrats say you're racist if you call the police. Another example of why they will lose BIG in Nov. Remeber to vote!"

    Republicans can follow up by introducing a bill to protect people calling 911 in good faith to report crimes (or some such)

    But of course, the stupid party.

    I called this weeks ago, they want to make it not ok for Whites to call the police.

    Solution: Segregate whites.

  141. @Harry Baldwin
    I don’t own a gun. I can’t even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    Don't wait too long on that. You might decide you really need one after in a crisis when martial law may suspend the sale of guns or ammunition in a crisis.

    The FBI said that there were 2+ million gun background checks done in May, and ARs and AKs are nowhere to be found in gun stores. Gee, I wonder why?

  142. @songbird
    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does - just based on name: "American" and "Liberties".

    Most of ACLU money comes from the tax dodger foundations and government grants.

  143. @ic1000
    > I don’t know if this was your intent, but from your recounting of the case, I am on the side of the football players.

    The legal question is whether the players committed felony rape. The DA declined to prosecute. IANAL and don't know enough to weigh in.

    The ethical question is whether the players behaved properly in having sex with the drunk girl. In the way that they did, which few if any females would "consent" to, if sober. Would you be pleased if one of those guys had been your son? I would be outraged. Dismayed that 18 years of child-raising had led to that moral code.

    .
    The #MeToo kangaroo-court aspects of universities' Title IX hearings in the aftermath of drunken sex are well known. Does the pendulum have to swing entirely to nonjudgmentalism? If conduct isn't proven illegal with a conviction in criminal court, does any institution have the right to sanction anybody? Could a student be penalized for, say, plagiarism? If a black male student is found guilty of, say, plagiarism by a university board with due-process safeguards, is that necessarily evidence of discrimination on the basis of gender and race?

    In the way that they did, which few if any females would “consent” to, if sober.

    I think you are underestimating how some far some coeds will go to please football players.

    And no, I wouldn’t be upset at my son for doing this. However, I would be upset at him for plagiarism, since that goes against the raison d’etre of the university and is a sign of bad morals and/or laziness.

  144. @Stephen Paul Foster
    ACLU was founded almost 100 years ago by Roger Baldwin, a very interesting and complicated fellow. To his credit he opposed U.S. involvement in WWI and did time in prison as a CO. Was drawn to the new Soviet experiment but bright enough to see that it was real bad news gentleman left wing types like himself. In the 1940s he tried to purge the ACLU of its commie members. If he were alive now, the organization would purge him.

    ACLU was involved in some landmark cases -- Scopes, Sacco-Vanzetti, and the Ulysses -- but now, it's operated by the typical degenerates who control most of our institutions and cultural assets.

    Sacco Vanzetti we’re guilty as charged. The ACLU got into it as a means of raising money for the defense fund. Before the days of tax dodge charitable and educational donations that was the standard way ACLU CPUSA and the rent scanned the money for salaries offices publications etc.

    Scottsboro Boys case was another. There were 6 defendants. The ACLU CPUSA set up legal defense fund and had not the 6 mothers of the defendants but 9 women claiming to be mothers running around the country asking for donations to the defense fund.

    Then the Rockefeller Ford Woods and other foundations began funding the liberal change America for the worse organizations and there was no need to raise money for legal defense.

  145. @Buffalo Joe
    The Buffalo News reported that a 16 year old girl was shot and critically wounded on Clay St. in the city (inner city). The police learned of the shooting when the victim was dropped off at Erie County Medical Center. See, no need to bother with a troublesome 911 call...or actually aid the police.

    How charitable and gentlemanly of someone to drop her off at a hospital instead of letting her die in the street

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, nice point.
  146. @bartok

    I have the vague suspicion that a lot of elderly people give money to the ACLU without really understanding what it does – just based on name: “American” and “Liberties”.
     
    They know exactly what it means: communist Jewish lawyers hammering Whites.

    They’ve got a lot of 5th rate law school Hispanic frontmen nowadays. Few blacks for the obvious reasons

  147. @ScarletNumber
    or maybe she wasn't drunk to the point where she couldn't give consent. Stop pretending women don't have agency.

    Umm that’s the law, not Scarlet Number’s opinion. It always amazes me that the very respectable even celibate men in this site are always defending rapists.

    I get the impression none of you guys have ever even pushed a woman down on a couch or purposely given a woman an 80% vodka 20% soda drink but some of you always defend rapists and sex assaulters.

  148. @Harry Baldwin
    I don’t own a gun. I can’t even remember where I left my pocketknife. But if things start to get worse I will certainly be purchasing a firearm, and maybe even two or three of them.

    Don't wait too long on that. You might decide you really need one after in a crisis when martial law may suspend the sale of guns or ammunition in a crisis.

    Yes, when MLK got assassinated in 1968 Chicago and surrounding suburbs got a ban on firearms sales as well as ammunition bans. When the LA cops were not convicted in the Rodney King beating, the ensuing riots resulted in a similar ban there on arms & ammo. The Korean shop keepers ran low on ammo.

    You can never have too much ammunition.

    And lets not forget Charleton Heston talking about how his anti-gun Hollywood acquaintances were asking him for arms during the rioting.

  149. @ScarletNumber
    or maybe she wasn't drunk to the point where she couldn't give consent. Stop pretending women don't have agency.

    That’s the law, not Joe Joe’s opinion.

    Obviously there were other factors than the fact that she was drunk that led the prosecutors to not charge them. Probably the fact that they were black.

    60 years of that book To Kill a Mockingbird taught in every middle high school and college has brainwashed the entire country to believe that black men are always the victim of false charges

    I read somewhere that alcohol makes women emotionally submissive not just physically weaker but it makes men more emotionally and physically aggressive I have no idea if it’s true or not.

    I bet those football players will have more rape and sex assault accusations brought against them in the future. It’s the standard pattern of criminal behavior.

    I remember my first rape case. I pulled his record. 14 arrests for rape, 6 convictions. Served a few years for all of them. Of course that was when the sentence for rape was maybe 6 months counting time served and good behavior.

    He was arrested for the rape of a woman he knew from high school and charged. He committed a second rape during the trial.

    He was out in bail. Court recessed at noon. He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.
    Because she was a tourist he got 10 years for the second rape. Also he disobeyed the judges direct order when court recessed that day. Ultra liberal judge specifically ordered him to go back to work at his black activist grant hustler non profit job. Instead he picked up the 15 year old tourist and raped her.

    People who don’t work in law enforcement don’t realize that there really aren’ t that many criminals in the population. It’s just a few who commit all the crimes. You can really see it in a small population county.

    Put just one rapist or car jacker or bank robber away and watch the stats go way down for that crime. Then he gets out and starts doing the same crimes again.

    Why do White conservative men defend black rapists? Only thing I can think of is the To Kill a Mockingbird incessant brainwashing starting in middle school

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Their name is Legion.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/06/dna_links_convicted_rapist_to_esplanade_attacks
    , @ScarletNumber

    He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a 15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.
     
    You have a very loose definition of the word "hero".

    Also, unless the guy literally picked up the girl and lifted her up kicking and screaming to go to the beach, the girl has some agency in this situation. Why was she going to the beach with a black stranger in the first place?
  150. @ic1000

    Nine U. Minnesota football players involved in a 2016 sexual assault investigation by the school are suing the university for racial and gender discrimination. The lawsuit alleges that the university conducted “intentional, willful and malicious” discrimination based on the players’ race and gender during the school’s investigation of an alleged gang rape of a female student. The football players, all black males, were accused of violating university sexual misconduct policy after a white female student reported the alleged rape in September 2016.
     
    The linked NPR article is he-said/she-said/lawsuit-happened kid gloves journalism. But if you go back to this KSTP News story from December 2016 (3 months after the incident), you can read the redacted UM Police Dept. and UM "Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action" reports.

    Yeah, this is a replay of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax, for sure.
    /sarc

    The coed didn't exercise very good judgement in downing 5 or 6 shots of vodka around midnight, before going to hang out with the football players and a recruit. Then, drunk, she didn't exercise very good judgement in feeling pressured to have oral sex, then vaginal sex, with one, then two, then multiple other males in the players' apartment, singly and in groups. Recalling her drunken, scared state, the coed did not claim that she clearly and forcefully enunciated the magic words of the UM Affirmative Consent Policy, "No, I do not consent to having sex with you at this time." The following day, one of the players messaged the coed to see if she was OK with "what happened," and asking to meet and talk, which they did. Ultimately, she did go to the hospital for a rape exam, and her mother persuaded her to talk to the cops.

    Not exactly the sort of behavior that a student-athlete would proudly recount to his doting parents over Thanksgiving break.

    The Hennepin County DA declined to press rape charges, on the ambiguity over the "consent" issue.

    You wouldn't know it from the NPR story, but none of the players or their lawyers appear to contest the above version of events, which the cops substantiated with forensic evidence, e.g rape kit, cell phone videos, and Instagram exchanges.

    The university's Title IX investigation complied with the Obama Administration's famed "Dear Colleague" letter, applying a "more likely than not" standard, and concluding that the woman had been sexually assaulted. This led to the expulsion of the players.

    The lawsuit is making the claim that UM has no right to pass any judgement or impose any sanctions upon students, in the absence of a "guilty" verdict in criminal court.

    At least when the Pokemon Victim Points score looks like this:

    Coed
    1 -- woman
    1 -- asserts #metoo claim
    0 -- white
    2 -- Total

    Football Players
    18 = 2 * 9 -- Black (9 black players)
    9 = 1 * 9 -- #BLM, discriminated against by white oppressor power structure
    27 -- Total

    Not even close. I hope the University of Minnesota's liability policy is paid up.

    If the football players win, the colleges will have to get rid of the kangaroo courts that suspend and expel men just on accusations.

    Negative is that there will be even more black on White rapes at colleges by black students and non student predators alike.

  151. @anon
    If that’s the case then the 2nd shouldn’t apply to the governments of the states. The 2nd applies to the states because it’s an individual (personal) right that applies to the states through the 14th. See D.C. vs Heller for the full yadda, yadda, yadda on this point. [Nino Scalia would have made a good Jesuit.]

    “That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;”

    That is from the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The document was less than a century old when the Constitution was drafted, and all of the Founders would have been familiar with it. Indeed, much of the style of the Declaration of Independence is modeled after it. It clearly favors an individual right to keep arms for the defense of political rights. It’s a shame that it only limited the power of the crown, and not parliament as well. Our founders were wiser, or we are luckier, and our second amendment is broader in scope.

  152. @Joe Joe
    A drunk woman cannot give consent. Therefore, it was at least sexual battery, if not rape. The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent

    The prosecutors are either stupid or incompetent

    Surely no more so than the “victim”? I don’t recall hearing that the prosecutor went home with a pack of negroes and then complained about the inevitable outcome.

  153. @NickG

    I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.
     
    That happened to me perhaps half a dozen times in the UK in my late teens - I'm a 1960 born white, RP speaking, Englishman - and it even happened in daylight.

    Scouse speaking so probably guilty but same age as you and also stopped and searched numerous times, never bothered me at all.

  154. I stop listening when anyone uses the word weaponization because I know everything that follows is crap.

  155. @NickG

    I was also stopped and frisked in Spain simply for being a young man walking around at night. Annoying but nothing to throw a tantrum over.
     
    That happened to me perhaps half a dozen times in the UK in my late teens - I'm a 1960 born white, RP speaking, Englishman - and it even happened in daylight.

    It happened to me a few times as a young, white female. I think cops figure if someone is out late at night there might be mischief afoot.

    Sorry young black guys, you’re not as special as you think. Lots of us get harassed by authority figures when the circumstances are not in our favor. Try being the adult in charge and having to decide whether to act on your suspicions.

  156. @Alden
    How charitable and gentlemanly of someone to drop her off at a hospital instead of letting her die in the street

    Anon, nice point.

  157. @anony-mouse
    Nobody here can look on the bright side.

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    Eventually those areas will either a/stop being lefty areas or 2/ see their property values fall.

    We're already starting to see that happen wrt homeless people. Why not this too?

    The ACLU may convince a lot of lefty areas to enact policies that make it harder for people to get a cop to come if a Black person is c0mmitting a crime.

    If only. That’s how it should work, but that’s never their goal.

    This is standard issue minoritarianism. It’s not–not ever–about anyone’s rights. Nor about getting any sort of separate space for lefties to live by their own lefty principles.

    No, this lefty-minoritarianism is always about trying to make sure that the majority–i.e. whites, gentiles, the unwashed–are not allowed to build, have, enjoy their own stuff–companies, comunities, neighborhoods, nations.

    I’m 100% for ACLU virtue signallers and their black mascots to have their separate safe no-calling-cops-on-blacks zones. Great stuff. And the right for those of benighted deplorables to have our own separate neighborhoods with our own standards of behavior.

    And the really great thing–thus separated, we deplorables wouldn’t actually be calling the cops very much, because separated, we’d have much higher social cohesion, much more agreed commonality about appropriate behavior. We’d know our neighbors and who is in the neighborhood. We’d pretty much police ourselves and not need “the man” around much at all. Win\win.

  158. @Alden
    That’s the law, not Joe Joe’s opinion.

    Obviously there were other factors than the fact that she was drunk that led the prosecutors to not charge them. Probably the fact that they were black.

    60 years of that book To Kill a Mockingbird taught in every middle high school and college has brainwashed the entire country to believe that black men are always the victim of false charges

    I read somewhere that alcohol makes women emotionally submissive not just physically weaker but it makes men more emotionally and physically aggressive I have no idea if it’s true or not.

    I bet those football players will have more rape and sex assault accusations brought against them in the future. It’s the standard pattern of criminal behavior.

    I remember my first rape case. I pulled his record. 14 arrests for rape, 6 convictions. Served a few years for all of them. Of course that was when the sentence for rape was maybe 6 months counting time served and good behavior.

    He was arrested for the rape of a woman he knew from high school and charged. He committed a second rape during the trial.

    He was out in bail. Court recessed at noon. He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.
    Because she was a tourist he got 10 years for the second rape. Also he disobeyed the judges direct order when court recessed that day. Ultra liberal judge specifically ordered him to go back to work at his black activist grant hustler non profit job. Instead he picked up the 15 year old tourist and raped her.

    People who don’t work in law enforcement don’t realize that there really aren’ t that many criminals in the population. It’s just a few who commit all the crimes. You can really see it in a small population county.

    Put just one rapist or car jacker or bank robber away and watch the stats go way down for that crime. Then he gets out and starts doing the same crimes again.


    Why do White conservative men defend black rapists? Only thing I can think of is the To Kill a Mockingbird incessant brainwashing starting in middle school
  159. @Alden
    That’s the law, not Joe Joe’s opinion.

    Obviously there were other factors than the fact that she was drunk that led the prosecutors to not charge them. Probably the fact that they were black.

    60 years of that book To Kill a Mockingbird taught in every middle high school and college has brainwashed the entire country to believe that black men are always the victim of false charges

    I read somewhere that alcohol makes women emotionally submissive not just physically weaker but it makes men more emotionally and physically aggressive I have no idea if it’s true or not.

    I bet those football players will have more rape and sex assault accusations brought against them in the future. It’s the standard pattern of criminal behavior.

    I remember my first rape case. I pulled his record. 14 arrests for rape, 6 convictions. Served a few years for all of them. Of course that was when the sentence for rape was maybe 6 months counting time served and good behavior.

    He was arrested for the rape of a woman he knew from high school and charged. He committed a second rape during the trial.

    He was out in bail. Court recessed at noon. He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.
    Because she was a tourist he got 10 years for the second rape. Also he disobeyed the judges direct order when court recessed that day. Ultra liberal judge specifically ordered him to go back to work at his black activist grant hustler non profit job. Instead he picked up the 15 year old tourist and raped her.

    People who don’t work in law enforcement don’t realize that there really aren’ t that many criminals in the population. It’s just a few who commit all the crimes. You can really see it in a small population county.

    Put just one rapist or car jacker or bank robber away and watch the stats go way down for that crime. Then he gets out and starts doing the same crimes again.


    Why do White conservative men defend black rapists? Only thing I can think of is the To Kill a Mockingbird incessant brainwashing starting in middle school

    He went to fisherman’s wharf and picked up a 15 year old Australian on her school spring break trip. He drive her to the beach raped and dumped her. She memorized part of the license number and he was quickly arrested that evening by the same 2 hero White man detectives who investigated and arrested him for the first rape.

    You have a very loose definition of the word “hero”.

    Also, unless the guy literally picked up the girl and lifted her up kicking and screaming to go to the beach, the girl has some agency in this situation. Why was she going to the beach with a black stranger in the first place?

  160. @ScarletNumber

    There are no arguments against gun rights. There are none.
     
    I don't know if you are being disingenuous, obtuse, or what?

    Gun nuts are called that for a reason...

    Thank you for illustrating my point.
    I didn’t want to go into it without the links and pictures, but almost all big name anti-Constitution activists are “gun nuts:” one famous one who does a lot of organizing has a license for full auto and frequently attends full auto shooting contests. This is a fake controversy that has no grounds on law or history or safety, it owes its longevity to people who want to sound reasonable giving time to snake oil salesmen. We will not get away from the fact that law is rotting skin spread belatedly over the bones of culture. Law can contradict culture (and does all the time) with the result that criminality becomes normal, like the Italian cash economy. This has obvious implications for diversity; part of the motive of the globalists is the elimination of the cultural basis of law, so that the law can just be pure government fiat, and any opposing parties will be divided and balanced by various nominal statists.

  161. @donut
    It's ominous :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEF6IOisd5E

    When CNN finally had to announce to their viewers that Trump won this is the background music they used . Subsequently coal consumption and soy milk consumption surged .

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