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  1. I like “The Megaphone” much better than the Moldbuggian “Cathedral.” I prefer “cathedral” to be reserved for a bishop’s principal church.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Cagey Beast
  2. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Rod Dreher did a blog post about this yesterday, and some of his commenters made very good comments dispelling the nonsense of the claims related to these children/“children”. The narrative about these kids is being written in a way to incite hysteria. There must be an election or something coming up in the near future. ; )

  3. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s wrong to separate children from their parents. We need to do the humane thing and send them back to their parents in Honduras/Guatemala/wherever.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Thea
    • Replies: @Bill B.
  4. The left seems pretty worked up by the idea that ICE agents are using stun guns on minors from central American families seeking asylum from the latest war there. They are then being delivered straight into the clutches of human traffickers.

    • Replies: @bomag
  5. They are then being delivered straight into the clutches of human traffickers.

    But coyotes are a federally protected species.

  6. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Percy Gryce

    Speaking of, anyone else notice the similarities between this pic from the royal wedding and the Starbucks pic?

    BTW, sending this comment from a P.F. Chang’s – Unz is blocked by their WiFi.

  7. @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, the whole site, just iSteve, or which specific pages, it it’s not? I ran into this at a hotel, so I’m just trying to figure out how this works.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  8. Tiny Duck says:

    This is horrifying, but what part of the government will do anything?

    ICE will think it’s a feature since they’ll think it will deter future immigrants.

    HHS won’t do anything other than sweep it under the rug since it’s embarrassing.

    Trump obviously won’t care since he’s distracted with Mueller and the kids are brown.

    The Republican controlled House and Senate won’t do anything because the kids aren’t Republican donors and an investigation might annoy Trump.

    The media won’t do anything sustained because none of the kids are photogenic, blonde, white girls.

    I hope I’m wrong, but there’s no track record to suggest otherwise.

    You guys NEED to read the twitter of Chris Hayes

  9. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    PF Chang’s — the one Asian-themed restaurant that can screw up rice — [unsheathes plastic katana].
    I am posting from a lovely/unapologetic dive bar playing Squeeze (Cool for Cats), Elvis Costello (Allison), Michael Jackson (The Force), and New Order (It’s Called Love).

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Brutusale
  10. J.Ross says: • Website

    What sort of pervert sees a massive effort to normalize unprogrammatic, paperless border crossing, by unaccompanied minors, as some sort of plot by pedophiles? Probably the same sort of weirdo who remembers the early-eighties documentary about the runaway boys of Houston, or the kind of trivia swot who delights in reminding folks of the other Larry King, or the kind of nut who keeps bringing up House Clinton’s perfectly understandable preoccupation with the half-island of Haiti, or the sort of unhinged, obsessed, virulent conspiracy theorist who speculates about the sexual preferences of Tony Blair’s staff. There’s nothing the slightest bit dangerous about letting young kids wander around unsupervised, and if you disagree, you might need to be evaluated for mental health.

  11. @Dave Pinsen

    Weren’t the white people snickering in the pic on the left?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Anon
  12. wren says:

    Somewhat OT:

    People with names like Felipe Genao-Minaya doing jobs Americans just won’t do. Unless he is American.

    Delivering 118 lbs of (presumably) Chinese fentanyl to the Mid West.

    Enough to kill twenty six million people, but only likely to kill a few thousand.

  13. Lot says:

    Dara Lind is the best MSM reporter on immigration issues. While a liberal, she is honest. And honestly is taboo in MSM immigration reporting. She is supposed to be writing tear-jerkers about hard-working church-going illegals with cute children, not talking about numbers and policies. How long before she’s fired or reassigned?

    This is a very good overview of all the good work Sessions is doing at DOJ. He’s using all his powers to speed up deportations and deter illegal migration.

    What is frustrating is that while DOJ is now taking a hard line, the other two departments with substantial power in the area, DHS and State, have done little to nothing. All the bad Trump policies I’ve complained about, like renewing TPS status for Haiti, have been out of DHS or State. Lind’s article above does a good job contrasting the actual work stopping the Third World invasion done by Sessions with the inaction and empty rhetoric coming from DHS.

    • Replies: @CJ
    , @Anon
  14. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I give up, what are they?

    How do you know is blocked? Did it say “this site is blocked” or just fail to load?

    Is it one of those annoying wifis that initially redirects you to a welcome page and makes you click agree before it starts working? If so, please post a screen capture of the welcome page so we can see what company is behind the blocking. I doubt PF has its own in-house internet censor list.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @BenKenobi
  15. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The similarities are a black man with the megaphone (metaphorically on the left; literally on the right) and a white man stoically enduring the black man’s speech (note the similar expressions of the white priest and white Starbucks cashier).

    I’m no longer at P.F. Chang’s so I can’t take a screenshot, but no, it wasn’t the agree page – I’d already tapped that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Percy Gryce

    I’m not sure, but Piers Morgan tweeted “Wrap it up, Rev!” or something like that before doing a 180 and praising the sermon.

  17. BenKenobi says:

    Recently I’ve been occasionally getting a brief page saying “check your browser before accessing” when attempting to load the site on my phone, fwiw.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @El Dato
  18. Lot, who the hell do you think is sacking up illegal aliens at the border and charging mommy and daddy with 8 USC 1325 or 1326? The Border Patrol who belongs to….DHS.

    Again, you are clueless. Nielsen was the one making the point that DOJs AUSAs were groaning about taking 8 USC 1325 and 1326 (except sometimes b2s), and AUSAs are the ones who present before a magistrate.

    This number is such hokum, because the unaccompanied juvies were being issued Notice to Appears (NTAs) (until DHS started separating people using their kids as human shields aftet Nielsen bullycided Sessions into pushing his AUSAs to accept more cases), and then not showing up for their deportation hearings. So they’re technically “missing”.

    So what’s the verdict from the Jack Hanson Institute for Eeyoritis? ERO is going to start visiting these addresses listed in the ORR dox and snatching up the juveniles(“We found the kids!”), and any othet illegals for good measure. So, following the Law of Unintended Consequences, anyone staying with a family member who isn’t too keen on having ERO show up is probably going to kick their niece/nephew/cousin to the curb and move to another shitty trailer park to try and avoid having their door kicked in by officers with reason to believe a juvenile is being sex trafficked.

    • Replies: @Lot
  19. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    And, of course, those ‘lost’ children will form the nucleii of whole concatenations of exponentially growing chain migration, from their extended clans of origin.

    That, of course, was the whole original intent of the exercise in the first place.

  20. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    As Orwell put it, picture the image of a jackboot relentlessly and perpetually stomping on a human face. Now, THAT is the future.

    Forget the Martian colonies.

  21. bomag says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    They are then being delivered straight into the clutches of human traffickers.

    Better borders means less human trafficking.

    The usual open borders/business labor interests nicely avoid any criticism for enabling this human trafficking.

    Of course, they would end human trafficking by funding a fleet of air conditioned buses to serve every village in the world.

  22. @Percy Gryce

    I agree strongly with this. The people who came up with “the Cathedral” ( Eric S. Raymond and Moldbug ) didn’t understand cathedral building or were too blinded by their Yankee-Judean and techie worldview to give the Medieval period its due.

    • Replies: @bartok
  23. Bill B. says:

    It’s wrong to separate children from their parents. We need to do the humane thing and send them back to their parents in Honduras/Guatemala/wherever.

    Yes. Why is this point hardly every made. Children are supposed to be immature and not able to fend for themselves or make fully informed decisions without the protecting cover of highly concerned adults i.e. their parents.

    If, say, a young white French or German boy was discovered in Tokyo or Turkey seeking to somehow to in some way establish himself their the authorities would just laugh and send him home.

    They fact that this point is almost never raised means the no-borders zealots of lying about what is going on.

  24. George says:

    Red alert: UK farmers warn of soft fruit shortage

    Growers fear strawberries will be left to rot as Europe’s migrant workers stay away – but it’s not just a Brexit issue

    “The big problem isn’t so much the referendum as the fact that unemployment in countries like Romania is falling very rapidly,”

    Is the labor shortage because those evil autocrats in Eastern Europe are not allowing war refugees to settle in their countries?

    I thought Gypsies refused to work. Does this mean Romanian Gypsies are responding to labor market forces just like ‘White’ people and work when work is available?

    Do they have ‘pick your own’ strawberries in the UK?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @CJ
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  25. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson

    The bottleneck in deportation has never been ICE, it has been the capacity of the court system. I agree ICE is doing an even better job now.

    DHS, by renewing TPS, has allowed more illegals from
    the worst parts of the world to obtain work permits and stay in the USA.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @Ed
  26. @Lot

    Have you thought, possibly, maybe, those two things are related in that DHS doesn’t want to bottleneck the courts even further by adding hundreds of thousands of brand new illegals who are not going to self deport, just yet?

    Credit to Sessions for whipping the IJs into line and getting rid of their “admin deferral” let the illegal win card, tho.

    • Replies: @Lot
  27. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    iSteve, but I didn’t try the rest of the site.

  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Sounds like a cool place.

  29. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    If anyone is interested in how the deportation system, both the court and physically removing the deportee from the US Actually works, or doesn’t work, I recommend this book

    The Deporter by Ames Holbrook. He worked doing deportations and he lays it all out. Also archives has dozens of articles about the deportation courts and illegal alien loving judges.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  30. jim jones says:

    This is a protection about DDOS attacks, I occasionally get a Cloudflare Captcha because I use a VPN

  31. bartok says:
    @Cagey Beast

    The point of the “Cathedral” is that modern liberalism is mainline Christianity (don’t be fooled by the empty pews). The MSM is the Church newsletter, the Harvard faculty are the cardinals and Washington DC is the Church bank/tax authority/crusaders.

    They’re the same religious fanatics who founded Massachusetts and who won wars in Yorktown, Appomattox and Berlin. They now rule 2/3 of the earth.

    If you disagree with the theory, feel free to use “Megaphone,” but it’s no synonym for “Cathedral.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @ben tillman
  32. El Dato says:

    On my Samsung, the certificate is not recognized by the Samsung branded browser. I didn’t care enough to investigate deeply.

    Switching to Firefox Mobile helps.

  33. El Dato says:

    All the Romanians are abroad playing trucker or working in Germany as skilled mechanic.

    Still, rhe way the economic and the political situations seems to conspire lately to meet at the point of maximum Kek, unemployment in countries like Romania may well be increasing rapidly again.

    (you really get the feel of watching a breaking glass with reversed time direction – you know something is coming together but you won’t understand the full outline until about a millisecond before it assumes its true form)

    (and this is going to be fun; during the last crisis the UK used anti-terror legislation to seize bank accounts of islandic banks IIRC; what kind of clownery will we see this time?)

  34. Ed says:

    Every TPS that has expired under Trump has been cancelled. They just gave them 12-18 month heads up before termination depending on the country.

    Some of these TPS programs have been renewed since Bush I, yet here too you bitch about Trump admin.

    • Replies: @Lot
  35. Lot says:

    They were renewed, but with an announcement it would be the last renewal.

  36. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson

    I agree that ending TPS would not cause a substantial immediate increase in deportations.

    However, if Trump had not renewed Haiti, El Salvador, etc then about 300,000 illegals with work permits would have lost them. This in turn would have caused at least some of them to have lower incomes and less ability to produce anchor babies and encourage relatives to migrate.

    Moving them away from the legal job market would have helped wages for Americans. They also would have to compete with illegals for jobs, reducing the pull factor attracting new illegals.

    Do I really have to say all this though? Is your point that the “final” 18-month TPS extension was better than no renewal at all, or that it just isn’t a big deal?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  37. @bartok

    How many cathedrals are there at Harvard? Low church Protestants, who founded New England, really didn’t like cathedrals.

    If you want to see spectacular churches, visit a Catholic college, like U. of San Diego, or a high church Anglo-Protestant college like Duke. Yale didn’t get it’s spectacular architecture until rich Americans converted to high church Episcopalianism. Harvard is surprisingly unimpressive looking even today.

  38. @Dave Pinsen

    PF Chang’s is Chinese food for white people.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  39. CJ says:

    This is a very good overview of all the good work Sessions is doing at DOJ. He’s using all his powers to speed up deportations and deter illegal migration.

    LOL yes that is indeed a very encouraging summary! Of course Vox thought they were detailing a catalogue of evil.

  40. CJ says:

    Hey, Gypsies doing your farm labor. What could go wrong?

  41. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    This chapel on Harvard Yard is from 1744

    Memorial Hall looks like a church but it’s not.

    Cambridge Baptist Church looks like it could be from 1400s England.

    Memorial Church is boring.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Steve Sailer
  42. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce

    The bride and her mother were seen to be snickering too. Never having heard a black preacher before, the bride wasn’t prepared for the histrionics.

  43. @Lot

    So he cancelled them, but you’re just being homotional because Trump has more media savvy than you to avoid walking into a “but the children!” trap.

    You might as well just posted “FLUMPF!” cause at this point you’re reduced to Talmudic hair splitting while you menstrate about Trump not moving fast enough for you.

  44. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Buffalo Joe

    Every Chinese takeout restaurant in America serves Chinese food for white people, except for the ones in black neighborhoods that also serve fried chicken.

    • Replies: @Lot
  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    So when is sessions going to go after the employers of illegals? I don’t mean some little landlord who hires an illegal to vacumn the halls and lobby once a week, but Sunquist, Tyson, Foster Farms Jolly Green Giant and every meat packer and food processor in the country?

    Really wish I could boycott food because of the industry’s employment of Hispanic foreigners .

    • Replies: @JMcG
  46. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Check out the Oxford U copy the university of Chicago if you are ever in town. Dangerous neighborhood though, like the neighborhoods of most universities and colleges in cities.

  47. @Steve Sailer

    We Calvinists nosed around the Harvard campus last summer, and what you say about its lack of impressive architecture and vistas is certainly true. It’s quite plain and unprepossessing.

    One note about Duke, though: ostensibly, it’s Methodist, which despite its genesis as an Anglican splinter movement is not known for flashy churches — just the opposite, really. But Duke got its name and went through its big campus building phase relatively late, i.e. in the ‘robber baron’ era, like the University of Chicago. Both have a lot of neo-Gothic buildings, which are indeed pretty imposing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Brutusale
    , @Stan Adams
  48. @Anon

    Also archives has dozens of articles about the deportation courts and illegal alien loving judges.

    Yep, a guy on the site who goes by the handle “Federale” knows a whole lot about what it going on in this regard.

  49. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The authentic Chinese restaurants in California with immigrant customer bases have all sorts of organ meats, chicken feet, etc. Even the normal meats are really fatty cuts. I am not an anti fat guy at all, but when I order a pork dish I don’t want something that looks like it is 70% fat you have to bite the little pieces of meat off of.

  50. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Where did the Calvin bambino end up matriculating?

  51. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    CBT looks like Victorian Gothic on the cheap; I’m surprised it’s so unimpressive. Memorial Hall is breathtaking. Memorial Church is nice– it looks very ordinary but there’s something curious about it (what’s that style called? I’m not an architect).

    I don’t know what to say about the chapel so I won’t. Nothing wrong with it, though.

  52. @Anon

    Oh, she’s still got a couple of years of high school to go, so we’re just starting the serious looking. We’ll visit several places when we make our trip to the USA this summer.

    There will be no application to Harvard, for sure.

  53. @Lot

    I never got Moldbug’s Harvard = Cathedral line of thought. Everything about it was awkward.

  54. @George

    Is the labor shortage because those evil autocrats in Eastern Europe are not allowing war refugees to settle in their countries?

    No, it’s a combination of fast economic growth and emigration of talented Romanians to Western Europe. There are still plenty of unemployed Romanians, but they tend to be drunks or mentally ill. There is a significant shortage of qualified managerial types, and I don’t think Afghan immigrants are going to fill that gap. One of the benefits of the EU, from the Romanian point of view, is the number of Gypsies who have moved to the UK to take advantage of better pickings. Brexit is not good news for Romania, Slovakia or Hungary as far as the Gypsy question is concerned.

  55. Brutusale says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Like I told the guy at the gym who was wearing a “Duke-the Harvard of the South” t-shirt, there’s no such analogous saying at Harvard.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  56. @Brutusale

    And it’s not clever to begin with. Harvard: The Wofford of the North — that’s a much better T.

  57. @bartok

    The point of the “Cathedral” is that modern liberalism is mainline Christianity (don’t be fooled by the empty pews). The MSM is the Church newsletter, the Harvard faculty are the cardinals and Washington DC is the Church bank/tax authority/crusaders.

    It would be a fine metaphor if any of those things actually were controlled by Christians. Instead, they’re controlled by another religious group.

  58. JMcG says:

    Asplundh, Inc. Was fined 95 Million last year for knowingly hiring illegals. It seems to me like they are right back at it though. Asplundh is a huge privately held company that provides tree trimming to utilities and municipalities. Still, a pretty big fine.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Stan Adams
  59. @JMcG

    My impression is that the tree-trimming industry in Los Angeles could use a bunch more municipal safety inspectors to make sure basic safety steps are carried out, like the guys on ground having branches dropped on them should wear hardhats and the guy 40 feet up in the tree should have a safety harness. The employers attitude toward the risks of crippling industry seems to be that there are a lot more potential workers back home in Guatelombia where these ones came from.

  60. Dr. Doom says:

    The Democratic Socialist Party said it was just deplorable to take children who left their homelands off the streets and put them in secured facilities. These “missing children” will be missed in November when the Democratic Socialists need every gullible serf to vote.

  61. @JMcG

    Still, a pretty big fine.

    For a company that takes in nearly four billion dollars a year? Hardly.

  62. @The Last Real Calvinist

    When Michael Cimino directed Heaven’s Gate (1980), he found the architecture of America’s first university so uninspiring that he took the production all the way to England to film the “Harvard graduation dance” at Oxford:

    This sequence alone cost $10 million – at the time, more than the total production budget of most feature-length Hollywood films.

  63. @Stan Adams

    Tucker Carlson has really aged gracefully.

  64. @Stan Adams

    That’s extremely interesting, and that scene is something else. Thanks much.

    BTW: would you say Heaven’s Gate is actually worth watching? It’s obviously got some impressive set pieces.

  65. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s not as bad as the critics claimed (Roger Ebert famously said that he and his colleagues “ran gagging from the theater”), but it’s hardly the forgotten masterpiece that revisionist apologists make it out to be.

    Cimino has a real eye for beauty, but his film, (loosely) based on a true story, is basically a long Marxist diatribe: Scenes from the Class Struggle in the Old West.


    In 1890 Wyoming, wealthy landowners hire mercenaries to eliminate Eastern European immigrants who are squatting on their property and stealing their cattle. (The butchering The landowners are mustache-twirling villains driven solely by greed; the immigrants are virtuous dreamers who end up as paragons of suffering. Rich and native-born bad, poor and foreign-born good.

    Christopher Walken is the Bad Guy (the lead mercenary); Kris Kristofferson is the Good Guy (the sheriff); Isabella Ruppert is the Woman Loved by Both Men (the whore with a heart of gold).

    (Kristofferson, the ostensible hero, doesn’t really do all that much to help the immigrants.)

    The irony is that (as seen in the Harvard prologue) Walken and Kristofferson were once good friends. By showing the pair as fresh-faced college graduates full of hope for the future, and then (twenty years later) as cynical middle-aged men struggling to survive in a cruel world, Cimino hopes to make some kind of profound statement about the loss of innocence and the corruption of the soul, or something.

    In the end, the mercenaries and the immigrants go to war. The climactic battle rages on for a cinematic eternity. For a time, the “good” guys have the upper hand. But then Cimino subverts the classic Western narrative by having the cavalry ride to the rescue … of the “bad” guys. Evil triumphs. Nearly everybody ends up dead.

    Ultimately, the dramatic structure is too flimsy to support a film epic of the scope and grandeur to which Cimino aspires. There’s really no “there” there.

    Is it worth watching? For a serious student of film history, definitely; for a casual movie fan, not really.

    Here’s another impressive set piece:

  66. @Stan Adams

    The number of huddled masses of immigrants trudging in giant columns across Wyoming is pretty memorable.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  67. Brutusale says:

    I’ll never forgive Squeeze for playing an entire show with encore and not doing my favorite Squeeze hit.

  68. @The Last Real Calvinist

    No, it’s not.

    OK, I know you wanted Steve Sailer’s opinion, not mine, but I did watch this movie AND The Deer Hunter, also by this guy Cimino, solely due to a recommendation or discussion by Mr. Sailer. The Deer Hunter was worth watching, once I got through that initial way-too-long wedding scene that had not a whole lot to do with the rest of the movie.

    Then, in Heaven’s Gate, it was the same thing. That whole graduation scene went on 5X longer than it needed to. I was very close to turning it off, but then the story started which seemed like it had a political agenda (not to my liking) starting up, at which point I turned off the movie.

    I guess that’s Mr. Cimino’s thing – put a big 10-15 minute scene of some fancy gathering, and then start up the movie. What’s the point?

    Back when there were video stores, I had no problem bringing them back for the reason that I hated the movie, and wanted my money back. The store was close by.

    “Yeah, I want to return this and pick out another one.”
    “Oh, is the tape stuck?”
    “Sometimes the tracks are offset from the heads. What’s messed up about it?”
    “The movie sucks so far.”
    “Oh, OK, go get another one.”

    (It’s good to be a member in good standing.)

  69. @Steve Sailer

    Yes, it is. If nothing else, the sheer scope of the production is truly epic.

    Cimino went to the trouble of building a full-scale replica of an 1890s town, complete with a working rail line. In fact, he built it twice. When he saw the first attempt, constructed precisely to his exacting specifications, he decreed that the street was six feet too narrow, and ordered the complete destruction of the entire set. His underlings tried to talk him into demolishing only one side of the street, but he insisted on knocking down everything and starting over.

    He insisted on shooting all outdoor scenes in a five-minute interval around sunset, when the light was just right. But he kept everyone on call 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for months on end. He justified this enormous (and unnecessary) expense by claiming that he was prone to having brilliant flashes of insight in the middle of the night.

    I inadvertently deleted a few words of my earlier comment: “The butchering scenes are painfully authentic and extremely graphic. Cimino was accused of animal cruelty.”

  70. @Stan Adams

    Thanks much for that. Both the Oxford scene and this roller skating hoedown are fascinating to watch.

    I have to admit, my first thought was ‘what — roller skating in 1890?’, but I looked it up on Wikipedia, and sure enough:

    In 1863, James Plimpton from Massachusetts invented the “rocking” skate and used a four-wheel configuration for stability, and independent axles that turned by pressing to one side of the skate or the other when the skater wants to create an edge. This was a vast improvement on the Merlin design that was easier to use and drove the huge popularity of roller skating, dubbed “rinkomania” in the 1860s and 1870s,[3] which spread to Europe and around the world, and continued through the 1930s. The Plimpton skate is still used today.

    1890 would have fallen right in the heart of the ‘rinkomania’ era. I had no idea. So this scene is historically plausible; fair enough.

    Cimino’s color palette is so 70s; everything’s Al Gore earth tones, and yet the muted, soft-yellow light coming through the rafters of that skating rink is beautiful.

    I’ll take your advice, though, and not devote 5-6 hours to working through the whole thing.

  71. @Achmed E. Newman

    Many thanks, Achmed; I certainly do respect your opinion.

    I remember that scene from the Deer Hunter, too. I find Cimino’s signature big party shots interesting to watch, and memorable. I remember watching Deer Hunter and feeling that Cimino really did capture the spirit of this essentially prole celebration, with some joy but lots of underlying angst and complication. That’s at least a partial compliment paid to the real lives of flyover people. But I admit I had plenty of time to form an opinion about the wedding scene; it does go on for what seems like forever.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  72. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Lee Kwan Yew’s censors in Singapore cut most of the Deer Hunter’s 45 minute wedding scene on the grounds that it ran on too long.

  73. @Steve Sailer

    I didn’t know that — pretty funny.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  74. @The Last Real Calvinist

    It’s not unknown in world cultural history for government censors to turn into editors. Some of the Czar’s book censors were 19th Century Maxwell Perkinsovitches, sending notes to the authors they were supposed to be censoring about how to tighten up the second act and sharpen the characterization.

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