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From the Washington Post:

The ‘race realist’ theory of how Trump can win, explained

By David Weigel August 22 at 3:32 PM

In the days since he added Breitbart News chief executive Stephen K. Bannon to his campaign, Donald Trump has made a considered pitch to black voters, and held a meeting with around two dozen Latino leaders from politics, business and faith where he reportedly hinted that his immigration policy could be tapered.

[In the latest shift, Trump campaign wavers on mass deportations]

None of that has rattled Trump’s fans on the “alternative right,” or among “race realists.” In a speech at American Renaissance’s annual conference this year, VDare editor Peter Brimelow said outright that the movement could not simply trust Trump on anything but the construction of a border wall — “he does love to build things.”

In this wing of the conservative movement, Trump is seen as a frustrating messenger who is nonetheless more aware of the problems facing civilization than anyone else in politics. …

The alt-right, in other words, is constantly focusing on the trees and not the forest. And their theory of how 2016 can be won, or how the Republican Party could save itself, is that a supermajority of white voters can be moved by the Democrats’ support of mass legalization of immigrants and greater Syrian refugee acceptance.

“The single biggest issue of the 21st century is whether the First World has the will to resist being inundated by the Third World,” said Steve Sailer, an influential writer for VDare and Taki’s Magazine. “If we do preserve our borders, the Third World will figure out how to control its own fertility like everybody else has. If we don’t, though, we’ll become Rio with worse weather and scenery. But [German Chancellor Angela] Merkel’s [mistake] last year of letting in a million Muslim mob shows how badly the ideology of borderlessness has warped the judgment of the ruling class.”

Last week, Trump began comparing Hillary Clinton to Merkel. The reference was lost in some coverage, Merkel being generally seen as a pathbreaking female leader. On the alt-right, Merkel is identified with one thing: the Syrian refugee surge. …

The right’s success in Europe underscores what the alt-right believes to be true here: There is a clear path to success if Republicans are willing to become a party of national interests, against multiculturalism. …

Alt-right thinkers have been arguing this for longer than the “alt-right” moniker has existed. In 2004, Sailer purchased raw exit-poll data to prove that network estimates of George W. Bush’s share of Hispanic votes — still cited by Republicans who say the party can win with a nonwhite coalition — had been overstated.

To be pedantic, Weigel’s conflating two separate things I did a long time ago: I purchased the lost raw exit poll data from the 2002 midterms and analyzed it and I was involved in raising doubts about the 2004 exit polls finding of Bush getting 44% of the Hispanic vote, which was later cut by the polling company to 40%. (By the way, in retrospect, it should now be apparent to everybody that the way Bush got to even 40% of Hispanics in 2004 was not via immigration policy but by blowing up the Housing Bubble with his 2002 White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership, where Bush told federal regulators to knock off worrying about traditional mortgage credit standards like down payments and documented incomes. Thus, after the Bubble burst in 2008, John McCain got only 31% of Hispanics in 2008 despite sponsoring with Ted Kennedy the failed 2006 amnesty bill.)

“The Republican Brain Trust is notoriously innumerate,” Sailer wrote. “Look at the 2013 GOP Establishment ‘autopsy’ that claimed that Mitt Romney lost because Republicans hadn’t amnestied Mexican illegal aliens. There aren’t many Mexican voters in swing states. In truth, Romney let the election slip away by not doing very well among Rust Belt whites. According to the large sample size Reuters-Ipsos online panel, Romney won only 52 percent of the white vote across Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, all of which he lost in the Electoral College. Romney apparently did especially badly among white working class men in those six states.”

Indeed, in the alt-right, it’s clearer with every week that Trump could outpace Romney if he was able to get out of the gaffe rut. …

I don’t know: Kinsleyan “gaffes” are, famously, when a politician gets in trouble for telling an unwelcome truth, so it’s hard to see how Trump could present a new, more commonsensical worldview without the MSM presenting it as one long series of gaffes.

It would be nice if Trump could avoid walking into traps rigged for him by the Democrats precisely to make him look bad, like his long public spat with the parents of the dead solider … but Trump is a package deal. He’s shown remarkable strengths this year, but they of course come with his weaknesses that stand-up comics have been joking about on television for 30 years now.

Forney’s analysis assumed that the media and pollsters were blowing the election. Sailer, citing the success of former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi in Italy, said that those forces still controlled the narratives of elections more than Trump voters might appreciate.

“The Italian example shows that you need your own television network, and your network needs to have professional football on it,” he said. “Berlusconi had that, so he was able to make a deal with [Libyan leader] Colonel [Moammar] Gaddafi to stop Europe from being flooded with migrants. But then Hillary had Colonel Gaddafi raped and killed, and the tidal wave across the Mediterranean started up again.”

A quibble to make my meaning more clear: when I spoke of “the single biggest issue of the 21st century,” I meant the whole 100 years of the 21st century, not the past 15 or the current year. As I responded to Weigel via email:

A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future.

America’s ruling class has been drifting toward an ideology of borderlessness. Back on September 10, 2001, Bill Clinton told some rich people in Australia that he believed in “the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world.” In all the excitement of the following day, Clinton’s admission was forgotten, but you can track a growing resentment among American elites of the privileges accruing to average Americans just for being American. The feeling in Palo Alto, Greenwich, and the Beltway is that there are seven billion other people on earth, and hundreds of millions of them would love to move here and do whatever it is average Americans do, but do it cheaper and without all the backtalk.

That may well be true. But the hurdle to getting to the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world is: how do you convince average American voters to give up the advantages of their borders? After all, their fathers brought forth on this continent the world’s most enviable set of borders. What’s in borderlessness for them? Other than not being called “racist?”

Trump has finally scraped the money together and put out an ad. Not surprisingly, it’s about the value of borders. It’s a start, but it’s a long educational process.

The single biggest issue of the 21st Century is whether the First World has the will to resist being inundated by the Third World. If we do preserve our borders, the Third World will figure out how to control its own fertility like everybody else has. If we don’t, though, we’ll become Rio with worse weather and scenery.

But Merkel’s Boner last year of letting in a million Muslim mob shows how badly the ideology of borderlessness has warped the judgement of the ruling class.

I would re-emphasize the notion of “a long educational process.” What I call alt-centrist thinking has spread with remarkable rapidity once it got a spokesman with audacity and resilience, but that’s just a start. As I wrote:

Trump is taking on about 95% of the celebrities, experts, pundits, authority figures, and faceless influencers in the whole country. The degree of media bias has been off the charts. He has demonstrated heroic levels of audacity and resilience; but of course the Trump package also comes with the downsides that late night comedians have been joking about for three decades.

The Italian example shows that you need your own television network. And your network needs to have professional football on it. Berlusconi had that, so he was able to make a deal with Colonel Gadaffi to stop Europe from being flooded with migrants. But then Hillary had Colonel Qaffaffee raped and killed, and the tidal wave across the Mediterranean started up again.

Now, to recover from her 2015 blunder, Ms. Merkel has placed Europe at the mercy of Mr. Erdogan.

Can enough Americans learn from these events and patterns? We’ll see.

By the way, if you are new here and wondering what is all this talk about how the Third World must figure out how to control its own fertility like everybody else has done, here’s my graph of the latest United National population projections:

 
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  1. “A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future.”

    Now this is one of Steve’s best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what’s coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, ‘Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, ’cause this isn’t going away and this issue’s only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on’. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That’s incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter’s 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    • Replies: @SFG
    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.

    As Steve says, the strengths come with the weaknesses. I'm worried, but he's the best chance we have right now.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    Like Tom Wolfe's quip in the 1970's about how a couple of politicians had stumbled onto the Me Decade.
    , @epebble
    I think all these encomiums for Trump are exaggerated. Pat Buchanan did an excellent job in 1992 communicating these ideas but was ignored because he was not flashy. But see these

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5_1ps5CAc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICypNXHKbg

    and tell if Trump can hold a candle to Buchanan.

    And see how much more coherent even Ross Perot was on trade in 1992

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

    With so much good material, Trump is a Jackass to lose this extremely easily winnable election by running his mouth where it need not be.
    , @Lagertha
    Could it be more simple than that - the Trump "awakening" to the immigration crisis?

    Despite the zombie-like march of thousands of migrants into Europe the last years, I think it is just very simple: we care about our children. Of course, now we are made to feel guilty about migrant children/unaccompanied minors from across the southern US non-border, because, well, we are so wealthy and privileged and all that, or so we are constantly told.

    I do agree that Trump, having had several children and now, grandchildren, does not want the USA to become a chaotic, corrupt loser country, a Banana Republic like every nation south of the USA border for his descendants. Simultaneously, Europeans, who were lectured by Merkel and EU progressive fascists, that children and families from Syria must be accommodated by all EU nations equally (despite the fact that 80% of the migrants were men 15-35...fighting age from like, creepy Chechnya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, wherever) must check their centuries-old European "white" privilege. Well, the human animal is really only going to respond to their own progeny first. Can't change animal instincts of survival.

    And, lastly, we have had way too many nasty, young, jihadies, male and female, going through a lot of trouble to kill US citizens in our country. Why do we have have to care about other peoples' children? We want to protect our children from crazy, nihilistic idealogues at all costs. Most of us do not want people here who do not respect our values...and we are skeptical (after 9/11 & hundreds of other jihadi murders world-wide) that immigrants are not violent. Like I said a while back, people are allowed to feel fear...no one should be shamed or bullied by others if they are afraid. Fear is a fact, today.

    , @Perplexed
    For several years Trump had a staffer listen to talk-radio callers and report back. Market research. He knew what people were concerned about.
  2. OT

    Steve, is this one of the “good” black names or one of the “bad” black names?

    http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/akron/not-wise-not-intelligent-628941

  3. Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States. If Trump indulges in flip-flopping on an issue so relevant to the wage and employment levels of low-skilled, working-class Americans, the resulting backlash will make Romney’s baptism by fire in the primaries look like Martha’s Vineyard.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    I don't know about the illegals, but he sure sent millions of American middle class futures South of the Border with NAFTA. Hilary is going to do the same with open borders and TPP.
    , @Kudzu Bob
    Bill Clinton removed fewer than a million illegals. You're confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted "Cruisin' for a Losin'" did.
    , @Kudzu Bob
    Bill Clinton deported fewer than a million illegals. You're confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted "Cruisin' for a Losin'" did. It took me about thirty seconds of Googling to find the obvious flaw in your post, dummy.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Exactly right, eggheads. I'd add that Trump should also focus on LEGAL immigration, which must be substantially reduced and modified. Higher-income, more-educated Americans are being badly hurt by the continuing influx of foreign IT professionals, on balance, losing leverage with employers due to the increase in supply just like lower-wage, less educated Americans.

    Almost all of us are being screwed by mass third world immigration, not just lower-wage or less-educated Americans.
  4. Well done. Weigel has always seemed quite willing to go beyond pointing and sputtering. I think he is more intelligent than the typical member of the clickbait lumpenintelligentsia at Slate or the Atlantic.

    I give Weigel credit for the following (in addition to interviewing Steve).

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as “a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists” rather than (as is more typical) “a vile nest of Hitlerian, racist, unforgivably white racists”

    2. Identifying Steve (accurately) as “an influential writer for VDare and Taki’s Magazine” (rather than, say, “controversial,” “extreme,” etc.)

    3. Not citing the $outhern Poverty Law Center or any of its “hate group” designations anywhere in the article

    and most importantly

    4. Taking the time and space to actually present (at least the rudiments of) the “alt-right’s” argument, rather than isolating the most inflammatory quotations out of context and pinning them up for point and sputter.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as “a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists”
     
    That's not really an accurate description of VDare though, since it regularly features writers like Kevin MacDonald and others who don't focus on immigration, but on black crime or whatever. It'd be more accurate to describe it as a clearinghouse for hard right and white nationalist intellectuals, with a focus on immigration.
    , @Ivy
    Matter of time until more viewers at Unz, which may be a mixed blessing...
    , @BB753
    All true, except Sailer doesn't really belong in the alt-right. Although you could say that alt-righters have all been influenced by Steve.
  5. From a very long-time, ardent fan: congratulations. Your time is coming. Please don’t sell out, not even for a new dishwasher!

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @gbloco
    How many unique visitors a week do you think Steve was getting in 2001-2?
  6. Who gives a damn if the Republican Party “saves itself”? It’s a brand name. If that brand is abolished and some other political group or groups arises in its place, nothing whatsoever of value will be lost.

    And since the existence of the Republican Party is the only thing motivating the diverse groups making up the Democrats from eating each other alive, abolishing it can only lead to good.

    • Replies: @Das
    "And since the existence of the Republican Party is the only thing motivating the diverse groups making up the Democrats from eating each other alive, abolishing it can only lead to good."

    This is an excellent point. The Republican party has a lot of pointless baggage on issues that it has already basically given up fighting. What's the point of sticking with the "R" label? It only costs votes.

    Everyone knows that the battle against gay rights is lost (the RNC cheered Trump's LGBTQ line). I thought that the anti-abortion people were serious, but we recently saw them flip out when Trump said that we should actually enforce laws against abortion if abortion is illegal, so that's not a real issue anymore either.
    , @Honorary Thief
    If the Republican party did not exist as a target for the Two Minutes Hate, it would be necessary to invent it.
  7. If immigration isn’t the question of the 21st century, why are the forces arrayed in the defense of borderlessness so hysterically desperate themselves in their attacks on those who question it?

    Why did Brexit cause such angst in the elites? Why do the nationalist parties in Europe do so? What is so crucially and obviously important about massive immigration that any challenge to it is greeted with smears employing the most toxic labels available – “bigot”, “nativist”, “racist” — in today’s society?

    Why do these elites presume to declare that we must support boundless immigration because that’s “Who we are”?

    But, most importantly, why is it wrong for a citizen of the US to seek for the US to pursue the goals of fellow US citizens, and not those of unknown and uncountable legions of others?

    And why, when these elites talk of nationalism, do they always pretend that it leads to Hitler, instead of, say, Eisenhower?

    If Trump and what he represents would aim to take our society back to the nationalistic mindset of the Eisenhower days in our very own US of A, why is that an unspeakable evil, to be fought by throwing out all norms of accuracy and fairness?

    • Agree: Clyde, Old fogey
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz's (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you'd have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on "race realists"--changed in the headline to "racialists." I consider it a minor victory that they didn't default to "racist."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html
    , @anonymous
    I've wondered why this has become such a powerful idea for leftists.

    Over time I suspect the world WILL become smaller and more globalized, and could gradually move towards harmonized regulations/laws and such. Even the flow of people could become easier in the future with better ID technology, etc. The optimum word is *gradual*

    I don't know what it is, but there seems to be an almost manic obsession with pushing this process forward in a hasty, unnatural way…it seems to me that it's really only been the last few years that this idea of 'borderless' has become a thing - the average person didn't even have this on the radar 5 - 10 years ago.

    Why now, all of a sudden? Is there some reason I'm not aware of why this is such a pressing concern. I understand the leftist desire for fairness/equality, etc. …but overall, the levels of extreme poverty and desperation, globally, are probably lower today than in the past.

    Is this a pivotal moment in some way that I'm not understanding…or is it just an idea who's time has come for no particular reason?

    When I see something like what is happening in Germany, I really can't get my head around it. It just seems nonsensical. But I don't think Angela Merkle is an idiot …Does she know something that I don't know (or maybe she IS an idiot?)
    , @Spotted Toad
    I think it was on the menu since the 90s, as Bill Clinton's quote suggests, but the real push comes because 2008 scared the shit out of the people who run the world.

    Here's how I see it. The way rich countries especially the US work is by using the productive capacity of the society as collateral for huge amounts of debt, that then the rest of the society can use to consume enough to keep the productive sectors of society working (and the productive sectors of other countries.) But in 2008, everyone had to stand up and face the fact (that goes a lot deeper than just housing debt) that a lot of the money moving the water wheel of capital flow forward is just never ever going to get paid back, because the people spending it just don't have that much future earnings under even optimistic readings.

    Maybe there are some more rational resolutions to this problem- the most durable it seems to me would be to convince richer people to have bigger families, which would increase consumption among people who could conceivably pay their debts. But there are various reasons why the Powers That Be don't want this to happen, not least because rich people themselves don't by and large want big families, but also because if the middle class had bigger families they would be much harder to push around ideologically and politically.

    So what's the solution? Instead of importing millions of Central Americans who will each be given $500,000 on debt that they'll never pay back, we'll import tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits worth a fair chunk of change without needing quite as much highly leveraged debt. If they just up their consumption to vaguely Western levels without putting the whole Rube Goldberg machine in jeopardy, then the plan is a success. That they'll also usher in a one party state doesn't hurt, of course.
  8. The winning quote was about Col. Khaddafy’s demise.

  9. Kudos to Steve, for his continued Steveness; kudos to Weigel, for feeling along the edges of the Overton Window without having a freak-out. This is progress.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  10. Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States.

    I thought I failed to remember those mass deportations under Bill Clinton:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/

    What Cruz did, it seems, is use the number of returns for Bill Clinton and George W. Bush instead of the number of removals. Under Clinton, there were only about 870,000 removals/deportations, but 11.4 million returns. Under Bush, the numbers were about 2 million deportations and 8.3 million returns.

    “Returns” is a term the agency uses to describe, in its wording, “the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.”In other words, people who could have been deported but who left of their own volition.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    The point being that Trump can use this as a cudgel in the debates, both to make his own deportation propositions seem acceptable and to reduce Hispanic turnout for Clinton.
  11. A woman has left three people injured after going on a bloody rampage with a machete on a packed bus in Belgium.

    Police swarmed the area in Brussels this afternoon after receiving reports a woman was attacking random strangers as they got off a bus.

    As officers arrived in the region of Uccle, the woman is alleged to have charged for more people and ignored demands to stop.

    Armed officers then drew their weapons and fired at the machete-wielding woman – shooting her in the arm.

    The woman, who has not been named, was then arrested by police while the victims were raced to hospital for treatment.

    None of the injuries are thought to be life-threatening – including the alleged attacker.

    Witnesses claim the woman was of ‘Asian’ appearance but investigators do not believe the attack is terror-related.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/brussels-bus-machete-attack-leaves-8684858

  12. Trump did carry Greenwich in the primary.

  13. Dahlia says:

    Haha! I told you you were next, had no idea it would be *that* soon, though!

    A couple minor things stood out to me…

    *He included Matt Forney (sp?) comments alongside yours. Forney has within the week gone after Weigel in a personal way, no substance I could discern, acidly attacking his looks. I’m kind of dismayed that he would have you within the same paragraphs as Forney who was so personally hateful to the writer. I know very little about Forney, but you two don’t belong in the same article, let alone side-by-side.

    *That killer last sentence was given to you, “But then Hillary had Colonel Gaddafi raped and killed, and the tidal wave across the Mediterranean started up again.”

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Good catch Dahlia. Forney? Could have been a subtle way to discreditSteve

    Great article altogether though.
  14. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future."

    Now this is one of Steve's best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what's coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, 'Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, 'cause this isn't going away and this issue's only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on'. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That's incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter's 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.

    As Steve says, the strengths come with the weaknesses. I’m worried, but he’s the best chance we have right now.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    John Derbyshire used to say that the immigration issue was a $100 bill lying on the sidewalk for anyone to pick up. The problem was that any candidate who might have thought of picking it up was offered $1,000 not to.
    , @Anonymous
    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.


    Territorial defense is the natural impulse of all mentally healthy men. Pretty much every other indication is that Trump is mentally healthy. And he has the means to act on that impulse. No other explanation is necessary.

    Occam's Razor
  15. I’m not so sure there’s much of a possibility of a “a long educational process”.

    Perhaps if our side started with… *ahem* — a short march thru the institutions?

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BenjaminL
    Well done. Weigel has always seemed quite willing to go beyond pointing and sputtering. I think he is more intelligent than the typical member of the clickbait lumpenintelligentsia at Slate or the Atlantic.

    I give Weigel credit for the following (in addition to interviewing Steve).

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as "a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists" rather than (as is more typical) "a vile nest of Hitlerian, racist, unforgivably white racists"

    2. Identifying Steve (accurately) as "an influential writer for VDare and Taki's Magazine" (rather than, say, "controversial," "extreme," etc.)

    3. Not citing the $outhern Poverty Law Center or any of its "hate group" designations anywhere in the article

    and most importantly

    4. Taking the time and space to actually present (at least the rudiments of) the "alt-right's" argument, rather than isolating the most inflammatory quotations out of context and pinning them up for point and sputter.

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as “a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists”

    That’s not really an accurate description of VDare though, since it regularly features writers like Kevin MacDonald and others who don’t focus on immigration, but on black crime or whatever. It’d be more accurate to describe it as a clearinghouse for hard right and white nationalist intellectuals, with a focus on immigration.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    > white american nationalist intellectuals,<
    , @BenjaminL
    Well, maybe.... But:

    1. VDare has never (I believe) published certain of the more high-profile or committed neo-reactionary or white nationalist people (Milo, or Richard Spencer), suggesting that it is not really a "clearinghouse." I believe that it only publishes such writers insofar as their work bears on immigration.

    2. VDare also publishes a number of (quasi-)mainstream pundits (Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham) who are arguably not "hard-right or white nationalist."

    3. VDare also (I believe) publishes writers whose focus is solely on immigration and who are not very (or not at all) hard-right or white nationalist: Norm Matloff, Allan Wall, Brenda Walker. In fact, Wall and Derbyshire are married to non-white women (Mexican and Chinese, respectively) and for that reason distrusted by white nationalists. Derbyshire is also accused of being insufficiently anti-Jewish by other white nationalists.

    4. VDare also publishes exchanges, pro and con, on white nationalism (see Jared Taylor vs. Steve Sailer, Kevin MacDonald vs. Eric Kauffman).

    5. With writers such as Taylor and MacDonald, VDare tends to publish their material that bears on immigration, whereas their more generally "nationalist" material appears at their own sites.

    6. VDare's few staff writers (Fulford and Kirkpatrick), focus mostly on immigration.

    7. VDare's "About" page, etc., present the site as an extension of Brimelow's book on immigration, Alien Nation.

    8. VDare is happy to publish non-white writers (Yeagley, Malkin) in support of its views.

    Altogether, this says to me that VDare would be more accurately described as "a clearinghouse for patriotic immigration reform, which does not discriminate against white nationalist or hard-right intellectuals when they agree with its views." Just to take our host for example, Sailer is on the record (against Taylor) in support of "citizenism" against both Taylor's white nationalism, and the "leapfrogging loyalties" of the globalist elite.
  17. I got a chuckle out of how “Merkel’s Boner last year” was altered to “Merkel’s [mistake] last year”. Obviously Weigel didn’t want to propagate the meme nor have to spend any space explaining it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.
    , @gruff
    The word "boner" doesn't have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve's meme unfortunately doesn't have legs.
  18. I know you are talking about something important and I know you let me post this before but her voice is pure as a bell isn’t it ?

    • Replies: @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    lolz, amused/puzzled that this comment was posted and let thru, but wow yes her voice really *is* pure as bell, pretty as a belle
    , @The Only Catholic Unionist
    There are certain parallels between what Hillary Clinton would like to do and what the Peron (especially Eva) did ... haven't read the book, but D'Souza makes an apt description in his movie Hillary's America ...
  19. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future."

    Now this is one of Steve's best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what's coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, 'Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, 'cause this isn't going away and this issue's only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on'. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That's incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter's 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    Like Tom Wolfe’s quip in the 1970’s about how a couple of politicians had stumbled onto the Me Decade.

  20. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States. If Trump indulges in flip-flopping on an issue so relevant to the wage and employment levels of low-skilled, working-class Americans, the resulting backlash will make Romney's baptism by fire in the primaries look like Martha's Vineyard.

    I don’t know about the illegals, but he sure sent millions of American middle class futures South of the Border with NAFTA. Hilary is going to do the same with open borders and TPP.

  21. @Anonymous

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as “a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists”
     
    That's not really an accurate description of VDare though, since it regularly features writers like Kevin MacDonald and others who don't focus on immigration, but on black crime or whatever. It'd be more accurate to describe it as a clearinghouse for hard right and white nationalist intellectuals, with a focus on immigration.

    > white american nationalist intellectuals,<

  22. @Laugh Track
    I got a chuckle out of how "Merkel’s Boner last year" was altered to "Merkel’s [mistake] last year". Obviously Weigel didn't want to propagate the meme nor have to spend any space explaining it.

    “Merkel’s Boner” sounds obscene, but “Merkle’s Boner” was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    • Replies: @Honorary Thief
    I was hoping "Invade the World, Invite the World" would it make into the article somehow.
    , @Hhsiii
    I had the same books. Merkel's boner. Tinker to Evers (I later learned it was pronounced eevers) to Chance, the Black Sox, the million dollar infield, the Gashoise Gang, Mickey Owen's dropped 3rd strike, Enos Slaughter scores from 1st on a single...
    , @SFG
    Good for you; I was unnaturally fascinated with the old blue-box copy of Dungeons & Dragons someone left lying around my grammar school. I still think of guys like Thiel and Trump as having more 'character points' than the rest of us.
    , @Abe
    The great white elephant in the room, though, is that you never once tried working "Occam's Rubber-room" into your email to Weigel. You've changed, man...
    , @Desiderius

    I read a lot of old baseball books
     
    I would always get Merkle's boner mixed up with Wambsganss's triple play.

    Department of funny names dept.

  23. ://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.d8af4c2be7b0

    Anne Applebaum’s latest salvo – Trump is literally a vulgar Russian oligarch

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Salvo is such an inappropriate word for Applebaum's excretions. Belch, fart, whine - I can think of many better ways to go with this.
    , @Glossy
    When a man criticizes a woman in some dry, technical, impersonal subject, the woman often fights back by saying that the man is obsessed with her in a stalker-like fashion. They take everything personally, relating to the impersonal, abstract world the way that a math-textbook two-dimensional man relates to the third dimension of deapth.

    With regard to the above, it would be interesting to calculate how many Anne Applebaum articles in a row have now mentioned Putin. The number could be in the hundreds. And as a powerful, famous, virile man, Putin SHOULD be expected to ispire stalking-like behavior in some women.

    I know there's a lot more to her hatred for him than that, but to me that's a funny way to look at it, and probably partly true as well.
    , @Bill
    Anne Applebaum calling someone vulgar. LOL.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Amidst so many things that Annie Appletree does not understand, she apparently does not know the difference between "literally" and "figuratively" or whatever she actually meant to say.

    Trump "literally" is an American, not a Russian, by genetic family background or by nationality or citizenship.

    Appletree "literally" is a bigot and a fool.
  24. @fnn

    Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States.
     
    I thought I failed to remember those mass deportations under Bill Clinton:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/

    What Cruz did, it seems, is use the number of returns for Bill Clinton and George W. Bush instead of the number of removals. Under Clinton, there were only about 870,000 removals/deportations, but 11.4 million returns. Under Bush, the numbers were about 2 million deportations and 8.3 million returns.
     

    "Returns" is a term the agency uses to describe, in its wording, "the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal."In other words, people who could have been deported but who left of their own volition.

    The point being that Trump can use this as a cudgel in the debates, both to make his own deportation propositions seem acceptable and to reduce Hispanic turnout for Clinton.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Hadn't thought of that tactical angle. Brilliant. Trump should indeed emphasize that Bill Clinton deported so many illegal aliens, over and over and over again, and ask Hillary to explain why that was a bad thing.
  25. Agreed, Steve, and kudos for being featured in the Post.

    However, the reason we have mass immigration is that Whites are divided in how they are affected by mass Third World immigration. The White working class is screwed. So too is the White Male Middle class. The White female professional class is mostly, not.

    Trump fell apart when he took on a noxious, Islam/Sharia demanding Muslim lawyer. He didn’t follow the rules of White male groveling whenever some Muslim/Black/Hispanic whatever gets offended, and White female professionals went to Hillary! in very large numbers.

    Trump stayed stable with everyone else.

    What’s wrong with our society is that White Professional women don’t feel the pain of mass Third World Immigration (more people to professionally babysit as teachers/NGOs/etc). They’ve backed Merkel despite rape-a-palooza in Germany because *THEY* are rarely victims, same with Hillary, they are junior members of the anti-White male spoils party.

    I never trusted Trump, and still don’t. Of course he won’t deport an illegal or build the wall, but at least he won’t start a war with Russia or import 100 million Muslims. The best thing about Trump is that he’s not Hillary.

    Romney lost by about 4 points; Trump is likely to lose about 8 points, mostly through White Professional Women going massively for Hillary when Romney carried them by six points.

    Trump can still win but he has to make people FEAR Hillary through massive paid ads:

    *Paint Hillary as a warmonger wanting (Nuclear) war with Russia and graphic depiction of a young (White) female soldier crying as she dies. Pair with her cackling over Khadaffi’s death, the most unsettling single utterance by a politician.
    *Paint Hillary as the enabling witch of rapists, using audio of her cackling getting a rapist off, bonus showing the victim as an adult noting she was 13 or Monica addressing the camera and saying Hillary defamed her.

    White College degree women will never go for Trump; but at least Trump can make them stay home and not vote. I don’t see him hungry, ruthless, or willing to spend enough to this though.

    Right on with your own TV network with sports/football.

  26. @SFG
    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.

    As Steve says, the strengths come with the weaknesses. I'm worried, but he's the best chance we have right now.

    John Derbyshire used to say that the immigration issue was a $100 bill lying on the sidewalk for anyone to pick up. The problem was that any candidate who might have thought of picking it up was offered $1,000 not to.

    • Replies: @SFG
    That's a very good point. I think the hole in their armor was that once enough people got angry about it, it became a $10,000 bill (to continue the metaphor).

    Trump was also a longshot to begin with--no elected office record, seen as kind of an unserious reality-show character. He needed an edge to stand out from the other 16. He also could afford to take a few risks--after all, if he loses he just goes back to his penthouse in Trump Tower. Rubio's financially underwater, to take one example.
    , @RadicalCenter
    God I wish Derb had been born here and could run for Prez. Then again, he wouldn't do it anyway, and who could blame him.
  27. @melendwyr
    Who gives a damn if the Republican Party "saves itself"? It's a brand name. If that brand is abolished and some other political group or groups arises in its place, nothing whatsoever of value will be lost.

    And since the existence of the Republican Party is the only thing motivating the diverse groups making up the Democrats from eating each other alive, abolishing it can only lead to good.

    “And since the existence of the Republican Party is the only thing motivating the diverse groups making up the Democrats from eating each other alive, abolishing it can only lead to good.”

    This is an excellent point. The Republican party has a lot of pointless baggage on issues that it has already basically given up fighting. What’s the point of sticking with the “R” label? It only costs votes.

    Everyone knows that the battle against gay rights is lost (the RNC cheered Trump’s LGBTQ line). I thought that the anti-abortion people were serious, but we recently saw them flip out when Trump said that we should actually enforce laws against abortion if abortion is illegal, so that’s not a real issue anymore either.

  28. Dahlia says:

    It’s weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the “alt-right”. Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the “Steveosphere” is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    • Replies: @Glossy
    I strongly disapprove of Moldbug, but he's had a lot of influence on a lot of people in these general circles.
    , @SFG
    The 'Steveosphere' is the intersection of the alt-right with HBD bloggers. Guys like JayMan and Pumpkin Person are HBD but not alt-right, for example. Lion of the Blogosphere would be alt-right if his ancestors ate bacon.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    The closet we inhabit is bigger and fuller than we can imagine.

    Unfortunately there still are not enough here to win elections no matter how loud our echo chamber reverberates.

    , @Brutusale
    Weigel is still infamously on the Journolist. Has he evolved, or is he just hedging?

    I guess it doesn't matter. He was more evenhanded here than I expected.

    Congrats, Steve. Pinocchio is a real boy now!

    , @Chrisnonymous
    I think large parts of the alt-right don't have anything to do with Steve or Razib, and I don't consider Ron Unz to be alt-right. I doubt he considers himself to be either.

    Frankly, I think the bloom is off the alt-right.

    The peak was around the earlier days of TakiMag, before it became just clickbait whoring. Uber-nerds like Scott Locklin and Razib were writing for it then. Also, when Moldbug and Foseti were writing, and the whole scene was being supported on the fringes by random anti-establishment voices like Heartiste, Gary Taubes, even Admiral Cod--all new and inspiring at one time. Likewise, Derbyshire's "We Are Doomed" was hung out there like a manifesto, or, perhaps better, a sign-post for searchers.

    Some have gone underground now. I hope that's why Scott Locklin isn't publishing much anymore. I enjoyed his pieces.

    Anyhow, the way the personalities and circumstances are on the alt-right, it was never going to be a sustained movement. Milo, McInnes, Breitbart, and Stormfront aren't forging anything. If Trump wins, it's going to be 4 years of circus show, but Trump doesn't have enough ideological vision to intentionally undermine and dismantle both the bureaucracy and party establishments, which is what needs to be for lasting improvement.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Razib isn't significant or influential to anywhere near the degree that many, many other writers are from Unz, Vdare, The Am Con, and elsewhere. And he strikes me as too thin-skinned, immature, and obnoxious to commenters to be an effective aid to us.
    , @gbloco
    I didn't start reading Steve for his politics. I read him for his film reviews, for his discussions on sport, for the quirky pieces about California.

    When we met we didn't talk about politics once. I don't think Steve has a political philosophy. He observes and he sees the grass growing.

    I don't think that makes him the genesis of the alt right just the predictor of its emergence....
    , @Rotten
    Weigel's beat for many years, dating before his time at Reason magazine, is to (1) read non mainstream right win media, & (2) condense and synthesize it.

    In this, Wiegel acts almost as an editor, editing out the assumptions, strongest points, and best arguments, and presents a strawman that the other columnists at this post can knock down (or, maybe in this case, a strawman for Hillary Herself since her #altrightspeech is supposed to be on Thursday)

    Steve's response to Wiegel was good enough for a Post column, why shouldn't the Post just present Steve instead?
  29. Trump is emphasizing exactly the right issues to consolidate the Republican vote while winning over a lot of white Democrats and independents. The problem is that every time in pulls even in the polls he falls into another stupid trap. Trump with about 50% more discipline would be winning easily.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But a Trump who was cautious and self-disciplined wouldn't have run for President on these issues.
    , @iSteveFan
    To be fair Trump is doing the leg work, that if he were a democrat, would certainly get him into office. The guy is putting himself out there making two or three appearances per day. He flew to Louisiana to highlight the plight of the flood victims. All things that would get him kudos if he were the democrat.

    Rush played some clips of Obama the Senator slamming Bush for not caring to show up and offer comfort to the people affected by Katrina. He played an old Hillary clip of her saying the president didn't even know the hurricane victims existed.

    Now the roles are reversed and the media tries to make Trump look like an opportunist for going to Louisiana. No matter what he does, it will be reported negatively, or perhaps ignored if it can't be twisted. Just remember the baby that Trump threw out of his rally which never happened, but was reported that way.

    Meanwhile Hillary takes several days off from making any public appearances. And when she does appear, it is only for fundraisers among the 0.1 percenters. If Hillary were the republican, the media would skewer her for this.
  30. @melendwyr
    Who gives a damn if the Republican Party "saves itself"? It's a brand name. If that brand is abolished and some other political group or groups arises in its place, nothing whatsoever of value will be lost.

    And since the existence of the Republican Party is the only thing motivating the diverse groups making up the Democrats from eating each other alive, abolishing it can only lead to good.

    If the Republican party did not exist as a target for the Two Minutes Hate, it would be necessary to invent it.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    I was hoping “Invade the World, Invite the World” would it make into the article somehow.

  32. @candid_observer
    If immigration isn't the question of the 21st century, why are the forces arrayed in the defense of borderlessness so hysterically desperate themselves in their attacks on those who question it?

    Why did Brexit cause such angst in the elites? Why do the nationalist parties in Europe do so? What is so crucially and obviously important about massive immigration that any challenge to it is greeted with smears employing the most toxic labels available - "bigot", "nativist", "racist" -- in today's society?

    Why do these elites presume to declare that we must support boundless immigration because that's "Who we are"?

    But, most importantly, why is it wrong for a citizen of the US to seek for the US to pursue the goals of fellow US citizens, and not those of unknown and uncountable legions of others?

    And why, when these elites talk of nationalism, do they always pretend that it leads to Hitler, instead of, say, Eisenhower?

    If Trump and what he represents would aim to take our society back to the nationalistic mindset of the Eisenhower days in our very own US of A, why is that an unspeakable evil, to be fought by throwing out all norms of accuracy and fairness?

    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz’s (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you’d have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on “race realists”–changed in the headline to “racialists.” I consider it a minor victory that they didn’t default to “racist.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Would take about a week of serious workplace enforcement before illegals would be practically unemployable. Putting a few employers in jail for even 1 night will focus things dramatically. There will be some economic adjustments. But nobody is staying if they cannot find work.
    , @newrouter
    > and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement<

    allan forbid enforcing fed law!!11!!
    , @Abe

    Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you’d have to deport more than a million or two.
     
    By remarkable coincidence, I was having this exact same argument with my wife this morning after CNN had come on and the talking-head anchor (Ashley Banfield?) was in the process of grilling some waxy-skinned, Dixiecrat Trump Supporter about the supposed absurdity of deporting 11 million illegals "humanely". I pointed out that 3-4 million had already self-deported last time the economy crashed. She hit me with a pillow.

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don't call it self-deporation. Call it "enabling their homecoming.". Watch liberal heads explode trying to refute this phrasing when from every conceivable angle it is true. "Sure it's true from a literal and logical stand-point. But when one considers the context from which Trump's rhetoric comes..."
    , @Boomstick
    That article was just part of the standard media narrative--Trump has the support of bad people, and you don't want to be a bad person, do you? The average WaPo reader is not going to be pleased by hearing about Jared Taylor.
  33. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    If immigration isn't the question of the 21st century, why are the forces arrayed in the defense of borderlessness so hysterically desperate themselves in their attacks on those who question it?

    Why did Brexit cause such angst in the elites? Why do the nationalist parties in Europe do so? What is so crucially and obviously important about massive immigration that any challenge to it is greeted with smears employing the most toxic labels available - "bigot", "nativist", "racist" -- in today's society?

    Why do these elites presume to declare that we must support boundless immigration because that's "Who we are"?

    But, most importantly, why is it wrong for a citizen of the US to seek for the US to pursue the goals of fellow US citizens, and not those of unknown and uncountable legions of others?

    And why, when these elites talk of nationalism, do they always pretend that it leads to Hitler, instead of, say, Eisenhower?

    If Trump and what he represents would aim to take our society back to the nationalistic mindset of the Eisenhower days in our very own US of A, why is that an unspeakable evil, to be fought by throwing out all norms of accuracy and fairness?

    I’ve wondered why this has become such a powerful idea for leftists.

    Over time I suspect the world WILL become smaller and more globalized, and could gradually move towards harmonized regulations/laws and such. Even the flow of people could become easier in the future with better ID technology, etc. The optimum word is *gradual*

    I don’t know what it is, but there seems to be an almost manic obsession with pushing this process forward in a hasty, unnatural way…it seems to me that it’s really only been the last few years that this idea of ‘borderless’ has become a thing – the average person didn’t even have this on the radar 5 – 10 years ago.

    Why now, all of a sudden? Is there some reason I’m not aware of why this is such a pressing concern. I understand the leftist desire for fairness/equality, etc. …but overall, the levels of extreme poverty and desperation, globally, are probably lower today than in the past.

    Is this a pivotal moment in some way that I’m not understanding…or is it just an idea who’s time has come for no particular reason?

    When I see something like what is happening in Germany, I really can’t get my head around it. It just seems nonsensical. But I don’t think Angela Merkle is an idiot …Does she know something that I don’t know (or maybe she IS an idiot?)

    • Replies: @WGG
    It does seem like there is some alien planet sending messages to the Western leaders: weaken/ destroy your countries or we destroy earth. Crazy. Outlandish. Could never happen. But then again, maybe such a threatening message is actually coming from a much older and closer enemy of the West. The kind of people who hate 99% of humanity and actually committed Deicide to prove it.
    , @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.
  34. @Das
    Trump is emphasizing exactly the right issues to consolidate the Republican vote while winning over a lot of white Democrats and independents. The problem is that every time in pulls even in the polls he falls into another stupid trap. Trump with about 50% more discipline would be winning easily.

    But a Trump who was cautious and self-disciplined wouldn’t have run for President on these issues.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot and Ron Paul all have very different personalities from Trump and from each other, and they all led populist uprisings of a similar nature. The question is why Trump went further. Could be a fluke. Maybe the mood is riper now. Maybe it's just Trump being a successful showman who has an instinctive feel for what TV viewers want, which implies that his old nemesis Rosie O'Donnel could one day become the Dem nominee.
  35. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    I strongly disapprove of Moldbug, but he’s had a lot of influence on a lot of people in these general circles.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I've never read a single word he's written.
  36. @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    I had the same books. Merkel’s boner. Tinker to Evers (I later learned it was pronounced eevers) to Chance, the Black Sox, the million dollar infield, the Gashoise Gang, Mickey Owen’s dropped 3rd strike, Enos Slaughter scores from 1st on a single…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yup.
    , @Brutusale
    Those books were our Bibles!

    Re: Slaughter: here in Boston, the Philistines still wrongly accuse Johnny Pesky of holding the ball. They forget, and Slaughter knew, that regular center fielder and defensive whiz Dominic (the Little Professor) DiMaggio was hurt and weak-armed Leon Culberson was his replacement.

  37. @Harry Baldwin
    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz's (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you'd have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on "race realists"--changed in the headline to "racialists." I consider it a minor victory that they didn't default to "racist."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    Would take about a week of serious workplace enforcement before illegals would be practically unemployable. Putting a few employers in jail for even 1 night will focus things dramatically. There will be some economic adjustments. But nobody is staying if they cannot find work.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don't speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Totally agree with you About the need for workplace enforcement and the immediate salutary effect it would have. Make it MONTHS in prison for first offense and MANY YEARS for second offense, and really scare these disloyal sellout employers into hiring US citizens and legal permanent residents instead of illegal aliens.

    But it's too optimistic that think that a big majority of, say, illegal Mexicans will leave if legal work is cut off by strong workplace enforcement. I'm afraid to find out how many would stay and simply rely on property crime, violent crime, and off-the-books work instead. But let's enforce and find out. We can't go on like we are now.
  38. We love you, Steve.

    May God bless you.

  39. @Hhsiii
    I had the same books. Merkel's boner. Tinker to Evers (I later learned it was pronounced eevers) to Chance, the Black Sox, the million dollar infield, the Gashoise Gang, Mickey Owen's dropped 3rd strike, Enos Slaughter scores from 1st on a single...

    Yup.

  40. @LL
    ://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.d8af4c2be7b0

    Anne Applebaum's latest salvo - Trump is literally a vulgar Russian oligarch

    Salvo is such an inappropriate word for Applebaum’s excretions. Belch, fart, whine – I can think of many better ways to go with this.

  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.

    As Steve says, the strengths come with the weaknesses. I'm worried, but he's the best chance we have right now.

    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.

    Territorial defense is the natural impulse of all mentally healthy men. Pretty much every other indication is that Trump is mentally healthy. And he has the means to act on that impulse. No other explanation is necessary.

    Occam’s Razor

    • Replies: @utu
    "My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it."

    When Trump delivered his speech on June 16, 2015 immigration crisis in Europe was still 1-2 months away. People were talking about immigrants but mostly the ones from Libya via Italy. But Orban was planning his fence. Still the invasion from Turkey via Greece did not start yet but it was already planned. By whom? For these reasons I always believed that Trump had a very good intelligence source. I do not believe in accidents. Find out who planned the invasion and made it happen you will know who is really running Trump.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people's minds.
  42. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States. If Trump indulges in flip-flopping on an issue so relevant to the wage and employment levels of low-skilled, working-class Americans, the resulting backlash will make Romney's baptism by fire in the primaries look like Martha's Vineyard.

    Bill Clinton removed fewer than a million illegals. You’re confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted “Cruisin’ for a Losin’” did.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    I used the word "removed", not "deported". Ron might try finding out how to remove some of these new trolls that keep popping up.
  43. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States. If Trump indulges in flip-flopping on an issue so relevant to the wage and employment levels of low-skilled, working-class Americans, the resulting backlash will make Romney's baptism by fire in the primaries look like Martha's Vineyard.

    Bill Clinton deported fewer than a million illegals. You’re confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted “Cruisin’ for a Losin’” did. It took me about thirty seconds of Googling to find the obvious flaw in your post, dummy.

    • Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber
    I used the word "removed", not "deported". Ron might try finding out how to remove some of these new trolls that keep popping up.
  44. @Steve Sailer
    But a Trump who was cautious and self-disciplined wouldn't have run for President on these issues.

    Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot and Ron Paul all have very different personalities from Trump and from each other, and they all led populist uprisings of a similar nature. The question is why Trump went further. Could be a fluke. Maybe the mood is riper now. Maybe it’s just Trump being a successful showman who has an instinctive feel for what TV viewers want, which implies that his old nemesis Rosie O’Donnel could one day become the Dem nominee.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "The question is why Trump went further."

    My guess would be it is easier now than ever before to take your message directly to the public, bypassing traditional media. If Trump needed to depend on the likes of the major networks or WashPo and NYT to give him time and report accurately on his views and positions, he'd have zero chance.

    Additionally, Trump is a master at getting traditional media to pay attention to him and pass on his message even if it is passed on with disapproval/hysterical pointing.

    There is also the matter of the globalists in the GOP and the lunatics in the Dem party having gone much much further down this path to destruction than they had when Perot or Buchanan were running.
  45. Speaking of Merkel… This from the BBC this evening:

    Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37155060

    It’s insane that these people have to be subjected to this from their government. Basically, its like Merkel rolls out the red carpet and opens the front door of the home to rapists and mass murderers and then tells the homeowners on the way out to her safe fortress, to stock up on some bandaids and gauze.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37155060

    It’s insane that these people have to be subjected to this from their government.
     
    I'm not mistaken, there has not been a single month this year when France has not been in a declared state of emergency. But WE are the radical weirdos for thinking there is something awful and unusual about that, let alone that something could be done about it...
  46. @Harry Baldwin
    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz's (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you'd have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on "race realists"--changed in the headline to "racialists." I consider it a minor victory that they didn't default to "racist."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    > and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement<

    allan forbid enforcing fed law!!11!!

  47. @BenjaminL
    Well done. Weigel has always seemed quite willing to go beyond pointing and sputtering. I think he is more intelligent than the typical member of the clickbait lumpenintelligentsia at Slate or the Atlantic.

    I give Weigel credit for the following (in addition to interviewing Steve).

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as "a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists" rather than (as is more typical) "a vile nest of Hitlerian, racist, unforgivably white racists"

    2. Identifying Steve (accurately) as "an influential writer for VDare and Taki's Magazine" (rather than, say, "controversial," "extreme," etc.)

    3. Not citing the $outhern Poverty Law Center or any of its "hate group" designations anywhere in the article

    and most importantly

    4. Taking the time and space to actually present (at least the rudiments of) the "alt-right's" argument, rather than isolating the most inflammatory quotations out of context and pinning them up for point and sputter.

    Matter of time until more viewers at Unz, which may be a mixed blessing…

  48. Dave Wiegel is a self-proclaimed “libertarian” who voted for Barack Obama.

    Oh yeah, he’s also a Journo-list member. He regularly coordinates with other Lefties in the media to present a unified message designed to push a Left-Wing agenda, and then, when caught red-handed, tried to deny he was part of such propaganda-disguised-as-news.

    Absolutely zero credibility. Why did you talk to him?

    • Replies: @SFG
    To get his ideas out there. Weigel actually let him state his point of view at length. Some liberals still believe in freedom of speech, and some others may be secretly hoping for a soft reaction against immigration that avoids a race war. We also know at least some lefties read Sailer; Yglesias has admitted to it, and Brooks actually cited him by name once in a NYT column.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yeah, that brand of "libertarianism" isn't recognizable as libertarian to me at all. Yet another reason why I cancelled my subscription to Reason magazine (again).
    , @keypusher
    Yeah, Steve, why didn't you demand to be interviewed by one of the Post's alt-right race realist reporters?
  49. @Dahlia
    Haha! I told you you were next, had no idea it would be *that* soon, though!

    A couple minor things stood out to me...

    *He included Matt Forney (sp?) comments alongside yours. Forney has within the week gone after Weigel in a personal way, no substance I could discern, acidly attacking his looks. I'm kind of dismayed that he would have you within the same paragraphs as Forney who was so personally hateful to the writer. I know very little about Forney, but you two don't belong in the same article, let alone side-by-side.

    *That killer last sentence was given to you, "But then Hillary had Colonel Gaddafi raped and killed, and the tidal wave across the Mediterranean started up again."

    Good catch Dahlia. Forney? Could have been a subtle way to discreditSteve

    Great article altogether though.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of alt-righters seem to view the Trump election as our last chance to do anything.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see him win, and think he still can.

    But I disagree that its all over he doesn’t. Political movements tend to build up over time. If you look back in time, the left’s civil rights accomplishments took place over quite some time. NAACP is over 100 yrs old, for instance. There has been a growing opposition to illegal immigration for some time. You see it stirring in the Tea Party, and more directly in Prop 187, for instance. On several occasions in recent years, the masses raised enough hell to stop amnesty efforts by the government.

    In our case, we are also fighting against a decreasing share of the republic. But we currently have considerable power and numbers in white America. Don’t forget, poll after poll shows most whites are against liberal ideas like amnesty for illegals, reparations, increasing welfare benefits, etc- This despite constant daily indoctrination for liberal causes. All it really takes is a spark to unite whites, and a lot can be accomplished in a short time. Demographic projections are not set in stone. End illegal immigration, deport illegals, etc. and major changes can be effected that will continue.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, I think it's time for at least some people to start thinking what to do in the event of a Hillary victory. It's not my role to lead the movement, but some thoughts you can take or leave:

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    -Similarly, you can try to play down explicit racial rhetoric to achieve goals you want such as limitation of immigration, or try to advance white identity politics as a legitimate thing-in-itself. Again, pluses and minuses to each.

    -You might want to be careful about how you define 'welfare benefits'--everyone's really fond of Social Security and Medicare, and Trump saying he was going to leave those alone was part of what made him attractive to downscale whites to begin with.
  51. @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    Good for you; I was unnaturally fascinated with the old blue-box copy of Dungeons & Dragons someone left lying around my grammar school. I still think of guys like Thiel and Trump as having more ‘character points’ than the rest of us.

  52. @whorefinder
    Dave Wiegel is a self-proclaimed "libertarian" who voted for Barack Obama.

    Oh yeah, he's also a Journo-list member. He regularly coordinates with other Lefties in the media to present a unified message designed to push a Left-Wing agenda, and then, when caught red-handed, tried to deny he was part of such propaganda-disguised-as-news.

    Absolutely zero credibility. Why did you talk to him?

    To get his ideas out there. Weigel actually let him state his point of view at length. Some liberals still believe in freedom of speech, and some others may be secretly hoping for a soft reaction against immigration that avoids a race war. We also know at least some lefties read Sailer; Yglesias has admitted to it, and Brooks actually cited him by name once in a NYT column.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  53. @Bugg
    Would take about a week of serious workplace enforcement before illegals would be practically unemployable. Putting a few employers in jail for even 1 night will focus things dramatically. There will be some economic adjustments. But nobody is staying if they cannot find work.

    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years.

    • Replies: @Muse

    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English.
     
    You are not counting the illegal Polish skilled trade workers at every non-union construction site. The non-union contractors love polish electricians and carpenters because they don't need a license like the plumbers to do the work. The mexicans do much of the drywall, painting and landscaping.

    There are also a huge number Indian and Chinese and other ethnic restaurant workers on 90 day tourist visas. They bring their cousins to work for 90 days, then send them back and bring more relatives to do the next 90 day stint. I am surprised they aren't serving chai teas and mango lassis at all the Dunkin Donut shops in the loop for cryin' out loud.
    , @Ron Mexico
    "I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years." I've seen plenty of this in working with my uncle from time to time in commercial painting in Metro Detroit / Pontiac, both with his crews and other crews. I've asked him about this before. He doesn't like the blacks because they are usually temp workers forced upon him by the state if it is a state/municipal job and they ask for rides to and from job sites and often times want to get paid on the spot. They are also poor workers. The illegals aren't any of the above. When I asked about legal status, he said that the only requirement is that they have documentation, but that said documentation doesn't need to be verified. He doesn't have the time or resources to verify, that the State should be doing it, but doesn't.
  54. But then Hillary had Colonel Gaddafi raped and killed, and the tidal wave across the Mediterranean started up again.

    With this one line, you’ve told 90% of the Post readers who read Weigel’s piece something very, very important that nobody ever told them before.

    • Agree: ic1000
  55. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    The ‘Steveosphere’ is the intersection of the alt-right with HBD bloggers. Guys like JayMan and Pumpkin Person are HBD but not alt-right, for example. Lion of the Blogosphere would be alt-right if his ancestors ate bacon.

  56. The issue is existential, and so it is emotional rather than rational. The issues of noxious weeds and native specie displacement are understood and motivational among the American left. The same conclusions regarding specie or intra-specie, “race” displacement that are uncontested in the natural world are contested bitterly when applied to human societies. IMHO the reason is that humans understand they have capacity to create social environments favorable to their own set of social and technical abilities and skills, and so they realize that the contest will determine the kind of social order that will prevail. The structure of the social order will determine and identify in large part the individuals who will thrive and reproduce.

  57. @donut
    I know you are talking about something important and I know you let me post this before but her voice is pure as a bell isn't it ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLOnWWrGSaA

    lolz, amused/puzzled that this comment was posted and let thru, but wow yes her voice really *is* pure as bell, pretty as a belle

    • Replies: @donut
    You should know that Sailer's biggest failing is a soft heart .
    , @Lurker
    Moderation is haphazard! Even double posts by Steve don't get deleted.
  58. @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    The great white elephant in the room, though, is that you never once tried working “Occam’s Rubber-room” into your email to Weigel. You’ve changed, man…

  59. @Anonymous
    A lot of alt-righters seem to view the Trump election as our last chance to do anything.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him win, and think he still can.

    But I disagree that its all over he doesn't. Political movements tend to build up over time. If you look back in time, the left's civil rights accomplishments took place over quite some time. NAACP is over 100 yrs old, for instance. There has been a growing opposition to illegal immigration for some time. You see it stirring in the Tea Party, and more directly in Prop 187, for instance. On several occasions in recent years, the masses raised enough hell to stop amnesty efforts by the government.

    In our case, we are also fighting against a decreasing share of the republic. But we currently have considerable power and numbers in white America. Don't forget, poll after poll shows most whites are against liberal ideas like amnesty for illegals, reparations, increasing welfare benefits, etc- This despite constant daily indoctrination for liberal causes. All it really takes is a spark to unite whites, and a lot can be accomplished in a short time. Demographic projections are not set in stone. End illegal immigration, deport illegals, etc. and major changes can be effected that will continue.

    Yeah, I think it’s time for at least some people to start thinking what to do in the event of a Hillary victory. It’s not my role to lead the movement, but some thoughts you can take or leave:

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    -Similarly, you can try to play down explicit racial rhetoric to achieve goals you want such as limitation of immigration, or try to advance white identity politics as a legitimate thing-in-itself. Again, pluses and minuses to each.

    -You might want to be careful about how you define ‘welfare benefits’–everyone’s really fond of Social Security and Medicare, and Trump saying he was going to leave those alone was part of what made him attractive to downscale whites to begin with.

    • Replies: @Abe

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.
     
    Today's coalition-of-the-fringes has its days numbered. You have to remember that Asians (of both the Eastern and Southern variety) are currently free to indulge in their Harold/Kumar-ish micro-aggression resentments to their hearts' contents while still paying taxes at rates that are, by modern standards, at near all-time lows. As the number of people who are net-tax liabilities explodes, rates will have to go up, at which point the principled, public-spirited, color-blind policies of today's GOP might hold more appeal. Or they could simply decide to engage in massive tax fraud.

    Hispanics, on the other hand, are starting to intermarry with the white working class in increasing numbers. Who they will then turn-to/turn-against will be an increasingly interesting question.
    , @Lagertha
    I think Hillary has major issues after that brain injury/fall. Her energy and speech is deteriorating - it is so obvious. She never gives interviews, and, at her smallish rallies, she can not perform without stumbling, having Tourette's like spasms, or having those forgetful, dazed moments like people with Alzheimer's. I think she is not gonna make it since the waters of "her health issues," have been chummed big-time, these last few days. Anyway, I sure hope so, I am scared to death of her.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Coalition with Asians. Massive nonstop advertising, in English, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Tagalog and Visayan (the two main Filipino languages), about how the democrats discriminate against Asians in favor of less qualified, less educated applicants for university admissions, jobs, and contracting through "affirmative action."

    Force the dems to give up the rapidly growing Asian bloc in order to retain their much larger and more reliable (and more hateful) African base.
  60. @Harry Baldwin
    John Derbyshire used to say that the immigration issue was a $100 bill lying on the sidewalk for anyone to pick up. The problem was that any candidate who might have thought of picking it up was offered $1,000 not to.

    That’s a very good point. I think the hole in their armor was that once enough people got angry about it, it became a $10,000 bill (to continue the metaphor).

    Trump was also a longshot to begin with–no elected office record, seen as kind of an unserious reality-show character. He needed an edge to stand out from the other 16. He also could afford to take a few risks–after all, if he loses he just goes back to his penthouse in Trump Tower. Rubio’s financially underwater, to take one example.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Trump was also a longshot to begin with–no elected office record, seen as kind of an unserious reality-show character."

    Fortunately for Trump, Hillary is herself, and has always been, a reality-TV character - the star of the long running series My Big Fat Corrupt Sociopath Presidential Inauguration.
  61. @Laugh Track
    I got a chuckle out of how "Merkel’s Boner last year" was altered to "Merkel’s [mistake] last year". Obviously Weigel didn't want to propagate the meme nor have to spend any space explaining it.

    The word “boner” doesn’t have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve’s meme unfortunately doesn’t have legs.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    The language moves on.
    Conservatives by design don't.

    The hard left media designates the the destination of the language.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "The word “boner” doesn’t have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve’s meme unfortunately doesn’t have legs."

    Only a third leg.
  62. Abe says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz's (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you'd have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on "race realists"--changed in the headline to "racialists." I consider it a minor victory that they didn't default to "racist."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you’d have to deport more than a million or two.

    By remarkable coincidence, I was having this exact same argument with my wife this morning after CNN had come on and the talking-head anchor (Ashley Banfield?) was in the process of grilling some waxy-skinned, Dixiecrat Trump Supporter about the supposed absurdity of deporting 11 million illegals “humanely”. I pointed out that 3-4 million had already self-deported last time the economy crashed. She hit me with a pillow.

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don’t call it self-deporation. Call it “enabling their homecoming.”. Watch liberal heads explode trying to refute this phrasing when from every conceivable angle it is true. “Sure it’s true from a literal and logical stand-point. But when one considers the context from which Trump’s rhetoric comes…”

    • Replies: @Das
    If you use an overly euphemistic term it's just going to be spun as if you're calling for genocide of Hispanics, because no one is going to be clear on what you mean.

    When Romney talked about "self-deportation" people spun it as if he was talking about cutting off food and medicine to Hispanic neighborhoods to starve them out, or something.

    Just say "require proof of legal status for jobs and public benefits." That explains exactly what you're going to do without ambiguity.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don’t call it self-deporation. Call it “enabling their homecoming.”.

     

    'Global familial re-integration'. Who could be against that?
  63. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    The closet we inhabit is bigger and fuller than we can imagine.

    Unfortunately there still are not enough here to win elections no matter how loud our echo chamber reverberates.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Not sure there's any peaceful alternative except this: elect america-first people to whatever state governments we can and back them up with mass demonstrations and nonpayment of federal taxes as they simply refuse to obey unconstitutional federal "laws" (I.e. Most of them).

    First and foremost, have the state governor and law enforcement declare that illegal aliens will be located, tried under state law, and imprisoned for a very long time regardless what the fed gov says about it. Do it in Texas while demographics might still permit it, which is not much longer.

    Second, jury nullification of any federal prosecution of any American -- in government or not -- who does what is necessary to apprehend, detain, and turn over suspected illegal aliens to state authorities.

    Third, jury nullification of any federal prosecution of any American who "violates" statutes purporting to restrict our right to defend ourselves, our families, our homes, our businesses, and our communities against violent crime, property crime, and illegal aliens, whether the defense is carried out with firearms or otherwise,
  64. Abe says: • Website
    @Grandpa Jack
    Speaking of Merkel... This from the BBC this evening:

    Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37155060

    It's insane that these people have to be subjected to this from their government. Basically, its like Merkel rolls out the red carpet and opens the front door of the home to rapists and mass murderers and then tells the homeowners on the way out to her safe fortress, to stock up on some bandaids and gauze.

    Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37155060

    It’s insane that these people have to be subjected to this from their government.

    I’m not mistaken, there has not been a single month this year when France has not been in a declared state of emergency. But WE are the radical weirdos for thinking there is something awful and unusual about that, let alone that something could be done about it…

    • Replies: @DWB
    France has been under a state of emergency since November of 2015 (the murderous rampage). Prime Minster Manuel Valls has had it extended each time it was nearing its end since.

    We were living in France the past few years, and experienced the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Paris for a long time has had security measures in place that Americans would find odd - closed circuit cameras virtually everywhere, armed soldiers patrolling the trains, the removal of enclosed trash bins. It was not uncommon to see paramilitary police throughout the city. The current situation takes things to a new level.

    Worse still, Valls - following the attacks in Nice, declared that terrorism has been a "daily" part of French life for a long time, and that the French people will have to learn to live with terrorism.

    "On pourrait refuser de voir la réalité en face, oublier, passer à autre chose, mais je dois la vérité aux Français: le terrorisme fait partie de notre quotidien pour longtemps".


    http://www.canalfrance.info/NICE-Manuel-Valls-La-France-va-devoir-vivre-avec-le-terrorisme_a7210.html

    It's insane.
  65. @gruff
    The word "boner" doesn't have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve's meme unfortunately doesn't have legs.

    The language moves on.
    Conservatives by design don’t.

    The hard left media designates the the destination of the language.

    • Replies: @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    Really? "The hard left media" is to blame for the noun "boner" taking on its additional, sexualized sense in the decades after "Merkle's boner"? In Australia the same concept is communicated with the word "stiffy," which follows a similar logic. Were ideologues of some stripe behind this one as well?

    Let's blame the left for real things, not every silly thing we'd rather be rid of. Boy who cried wolf, et cetera.

  66. @LL
    ://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.d8af4c2be7b0

    Anne Applebaum's latest salvo - Trump is literally a vulgar Russian oligarch

    When a man criticizes a woman in some dry, technical, impersonal subject, the woman often fights back by saying that the man is obsessed with her in a stalker-like fashion. They take everything personally, relating to the impersonal, abstract world the way that a math-textbook two-dimensional man relates to the third dimension of deapth.

    With regard to the above, it would be interesting to calculate how many Anne Applebaum articles in a row have now mentioned Putin. The number could be in the hundreds. And as a powerful, famous, virile man, Putin SHOULD be expected to ispire stalking-like behavior in some women.

    I know there’s a lot more to her hatred for him than that, but to me that’s a funny way to look at it, and probably partly true as well.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Somebody bugged the restaurant talk of Ms. Applebaum's husband, the former Polish foreign minister, which hurt her husband's career. I wouldn't be surprised if she blames Putin for it. I can't criticize her for being a loyal wife and hating her husband's enemies.
    , @The Man From K Street
    N.B. Anne Applebaum has no problem agitating in favor of reprehensible men if her personal (read: her husband's) interests so dictate.

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.
  67. Abe says: • Website
    @SFG
    Yeah, I think it's time for at least some people to start thinking what to do in the event of a Hillary victory. It's not my role to lead the movement, but some thoughts you can take or leave:

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    -Similarly, you can try to play down explicit racial rhetoric to achieve goals you want such as limitation of immigration, or try to advance white identity politics as a legitimate thing-in-itself. Again, pluses and minuses to each.

    -You might want to be careful about how you define 'welfare benefits'--everyone's really fond of Social Security and Medicare, and Trump saying he was going to leave those alone was part of what made him attractive to downscale whites to begin with.

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    Today’s coalition-of-the-fringes has its days numbered. You have to remember that Asians (of both the Eastern and Southern variety) are currently free to indulge in their Harold/Kumar-ish micro-aggression resentments to their hearts’ contents while still paying taxes at rates that are, by modern standards, at near all-time lows. As the number of people who are net-tax liabilities explodes, rates will have to go up, at which point the principled, public-spirited, color-blind policies of today’s GOP might hold more appeal. Or they could simply decide to engage in massive tax fraud.

    Hispanics, on the other hand, are starting to intermarry with the white working class in increasing numbers. Who they will then turn-to/turn-against will be an increasingly interesting question.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    My observation is that the offspring of an interracial marriage identify with the non-white parent, due to Steve's "flight from white" factor. Obvious example being Obama. Also, parents who adopt non-white children often immediately identify more with that group; they to are expressing their flight from white.
  68. @Das
    Trump is emphasizing exactly the right issues to consolidate the Republican vote while winning over a lot of white Democrats and independents. The problem is that every time in pulls even in the polls he falls into another stupid trap. Trump with about 50% more discipline would be winning easily.

    To be fair Trump is doing the leg work, that if he were a democrat, would certainly get him into office. The guy is putting himself out there making two or three appearances per day. He flew to Louisiana to highlight the plight of the flood victims. All things that would get him kudos if he were the democrat.

    Rush played some clips of Obama the Senator slamming Bush for not caring to show up and offer comfort to the people affected by Katrina. He played an old Hillary clip of her saying the president didn’t even know the hurricane victims existed.

    Now the roles are reversed and the media tries to make Trump look like an opportunist for going to Louisiana. No matter what he does, it will be reported negatively, or perhaps ignored if it can’t be twisted. Just remember the baby that Trump threw out of his rally which never happened, but was reported that way.

    Meanwhile Hillary takes several days off from making any public appearances. And when she does appear, it is only for fundraisers among the 0.1 percenters. If Hillary were the republican, the media would skewer her for this.

  69. @Abe

    Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you’d have to deport more than a million or two.
     
    By remarkable coincidence, I was having this exact same argument with my wife this morning after CNN had come on and the talking-head anchor (Ashley Banfield?) was in the process of grilling some waxy-skinned, Dixiecrat Trump Supporter about the supposed absurdity of deporting 11 million illegals "humanely". I pointed out that 3-4 million had already self-deported last time the economy crashed. She hit me with a pillow.

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don't call it self-deporation. Call it "enabling their homecoming.". Watch liberal heads explode trying to refute this phrasing when from every conceivable angle it is true. "Sure it's true from a literal and logical stand-point. But when one considers the context from which Trump's rhetoric comes..."

    If you use an overly euphemistic term it’s just going to be spun as if you’re calling for genocide of Hispanics, because no one is going to be clear on what you mean.

    When Romney talked about “self-deportation” people spun it as if he was talking about cutting off food and medicine to Hispanic neighborhoods to starve them out, or something.

    Just say “require proof of legal status for jobs and public benefits.” That explains exactly what you’re going to do without ambiguity.

  70. @Bill Jones
    The language moves on.
    Conservatives by design don't.

    The hard left media designates the the destination of the language.

    Really? “The hard left media” is to blame for the noun “boner” taking on its additional, sexualized sense in the decades after “Merkle’s boner”? In Australia the same concept is communicated with the word “stiffy,” which follows a similar logic. Were ideologues of some stripe behind this one as well?

    Let’s blame the left for real things, not every silly thing we’d rather be rid of. Boy who cried wolf, et cetera.

    • Replies: @random observer
    Indeed, the sexualized sense of the term has been around for many decades.

    One of the first vulgar slang terms I learned as a little kid in the 1970s. So it must have been well established by then.

    We also knew the term in the sense of what would more recently have been called an "epic fail". But the sexual term was bound to win out. They always do.
  71. @candid_observer
    If immigration isn't the question of the 21st century, why are the forces arrayed in the defense of borderlessness so hysterically desperate themselves in their attacks on those who question it?

    Why did Brexit cause such angst in the elites? Why do the nationalist parties in Europe do so? What is so crucially and obviously important about massive immigration that any challenge to it is greeted with smears employing the most toxic labels available - "bigot", "nativist", "racist" -- in today's society?

    Why do these elites presume to declare that we must support boundless immigration because that's "Who we are"?

    But, most importantly, why is it wrong for a citizen of the US to seek for the US to pursue the goals of fellow US citizens, and not those of unknown and uncountable legions of others?

    And why, when these elites talk of nationalism, do they always pretend that it leads to Hitler, instead of, say, Eisenhower?

    If Trump and what he represents would aim to take our society back to the nationalistic mindset of the Eisenhower days in our very own US of A, why is that an unspeakable evil, to be fought by throwing out all norms of accuracy and fairness?

    I think it was on the menu since the 90s, as Bill Clinton’s quote suggests, but the real push comes because 2008 scared the shit out of the people who run the world.

    Here’s how I see it. The way rich countries especially the US work is by using the productive capacity of the society as collateral for huge amounts of debt, that then the rest of the society can use to consume enough to keep the productive sectors of society working (and the productive sectors of other countries.) But in 2008, everyone had to stand up and face the fact (that goes a lot deeper than just housing debt) that a lot of the money moving the water wheel of capital flow forward is just never ever going to get paid back, because the people spending it just don’t have that much future earnings under even optimistic readings.

    Maybe there are some more rational resolutions to this problem- the most durable it seems to me would be to convince richer people to have bigger families, which would increase consumption among people who could conceivably pay their debts. But there are various reasons why the Powers That Be don’t want this to happen, not least because rich people themselves don’t by and large want big families, but also because if the middle class had bigger families they would be much harder to push around ideologically and politically.

    So what’s the solution? Instead of importing millions of Central Americans who will each be given $500,000 on debt that they’ll never pay back, we’ll import tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits worth a fair chunk of change without needing quite as much highly leveraged debt. If they just up their consumption to vaguely Western levels without putting the whole Rube Goldberg machine in jeopardy, then the plan is a success. That they’ll also usher in a one party state doesn’t hurt, of course.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    We lose money on each one, but we make it up on volume.

    To be honest, I don't see any evidence of a plan to import "tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits ". Not even Hillary has such a plan. You are delusional, which is a shame because up until your last paragraph your analysis actually made a lot of sense.
  72. @Anonymous
    My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.


    Territorial defense is the natural impulse of all mentally healthy men. Pretty much every other indication is that Trump is mentally healthy. And he has the means to act on that impulse. No other explanation is necessary.

    Occam's Razor

    “My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it.”

    When Trump delivered his speech on June 16, 2015 immigration crisis in Europe was still 1-2 months away. People were talking about immigrants but mostly the ones from Libya via Italy. But Orban was planning his fence. Still the invasion from Turkey via Greece did not start yet but it was already planned. By whom? For these reasons I always believed that Trump had a very good intelligence source. I do not believe in accidents. Find out who planned the invasion and made it happen you will know who is really running Trump.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people’s minds.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people’s minds.

    The facts about Muslims have been congealing in American minds since 2001. The shape they assume is a threatening one of intolerance and unpredictable homicide.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Mexican and Central American immigrants are non-threatening in the same way that flood waters that are still below knee level aren't threatening. Those I see around me look nice enough. But the flood is rising, and we will be inundated by their sub-mediocre capabilities.

    Muslims make themselves threatening. They seem determined to do so. They set foot on your land as an invading army in the flush of victory. Look at Khizr Khan, railing at us from the podium at the Democrat Convention. Go home, Khan, your opinion is not wanted.

    , @RadicalCenter
    We live in Los Angeles. Can't agree at all that Mexicans as a group are not threatening.

    We have Mexican-American friends who are fully assimilated, fluent English speakers, patriotic and loyal to America rather than Mexico, and not in favor of open borders and the destruction of traditional European-America.

    But our experience suggests that these people do NOT substantially outnumber the Mexican-"Americans" who range from indifferent to hostile to traditional America, to white people, and to English as our sole common language.
  73. @Anonymous

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as “a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists”
     
    That's not really an accurate description of VDare though, since it regularly features writers like Kevin MacDonald and others who don't focus on immigration, but on black crime or whatever. It'd be more accurate to describe it as a clearinghouse for hard right and white nationalist intellectuals, with a focus on immigration.

    Well, maybe…. But:

    1. VDare has never (I believe) published certain of the more high-profile or committed neo-reactionary or white nationalist people (Milo, or Richard Spencer), suggesting that it is not really a “clearinghouse.” I believe that it only publishes such writers insofar as their work bears on immigration.

    2. VDare also publishes a number of (quasi-)mainstream pundits (Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham) who are arguably not “hard-right or white nationalist.”

    3. VDare also (I believe) publishes writers whose focus is solely on immigration and who are not very (or not at all) hard-right or white nationalist: Norm Matloff, Allan Wall, Brenda Walker. In fact, Wall and Derbyshire are married to non-white women (Mexican and Chinese, respectively) and for that reason distrusted by white nationalists. Derbyshire is also accused of being insufficiently anti-Jewish by other white nationalists.

    4. VDare also publishes exchanges, pro and con, on white nationalism (see Jared Taylor vs. Steve Sailer, Kevin MacDonald vs. Eric Kauffman).

    5. With writers such as Taylor and MacDonald, VDare tends to publish their material that bears on immigration, whereas their more generally “nationalist” material appears at their own sites.

    6. VDare’s few staff writers (Fulford and Kirkpatrick), focus mostly on immigration.

    7. VDare’s “About” page, etc., present the site as an extension of Brimelow’s book on immigration, Alien Nation.

    8. VDare is happy to publish non-white writers (Yeagley, Malkin) in support of its views.

    Altogether, this says to me that VDare would be more accurately described as “a clearinghouse for patriotic immigration reform, which does not discriminate against white nationalist or hard-right intellectuals when they agree with its views.” Just to take our host for example, Sailer is on the record (against Taylor) in support of “citizenism” against both Taylor’s white nationalism, and the “leapfrogging loyalties” of the globalist elite.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Is Wall's wife really "non-white"? "Mexican" is neither a color nor a true ethnic group. Most Mexicans are mestizo but some are pure Caucasian and many others are FAIAP.

    Yeagley was also white enough for government work, and insofar as he was Comanche, well, why wouldn't an American Indian oppose more immigration? Mass immigration of alien peoples ended up largely destroying every culture from the Atlantic to the Pacific, at least north of southern Mexico.

    As for Derb, the problem isn't that he's not "anti-Jew ." It's that he calls people like Susan Sonntag "white ethnomasochists" despite knowing full well that she was Jewish and that her hatred of white people did not likely extend to her own tribe.

    Ashkenazim obviously have a lot of Aryan genes, and even their Semitic ancestors were not that far removed from Aryans, relatively speaking. But they are a genetically distinct and historically endogamous population, and even today far too many of them engage in clannish behaviors while seeking to deny non-Jewish whites the right to do the same.

    , @Anonymous
    None of that is inconsistent with it being a clearinghouse for the hard right and white nationalist perspective, with a focus on immigration. Many of its articles and blog posts have nothing to do with immigration, but all of them present the hard right or white nationalist perspective on issues.
  74. @Flip
    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don't speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years.

    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English.

    You are not counting the illegal Polish skilled trade workers at every non-union construction site. The non-union contractors love polish electricians and carpenters because they don’t need a license like the plumbers to do the work. The mexicans do much of the drywall, painting and landscaping.

    There are also a huge number Indian and Chinese and other ethnic restaurant workers on 90 day tourist visas. They bring their cousins to work for 90 days, then send them back and bring more relatives to do the next 90 day stint. I am surprised they aren’t serving chai teas and mango lassis at all the Dunkin Donut shops in the loop for cryin’ out loud.

    • Replies: @Ttjy
    There are so many foreigners in this country it is amazing. Those 90 day visa workers aren't even counted as legal or illegal immigrants either.

    I wonder how many illegal Polish and Russians there are too.

    Is there 1 donut shop or gas station in this country that isn't owned by an Asian? Most in my area are Indian or Pakistani. I think that is because Reagan singed a bill to give Asians special loans for small businesses.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Great comment. Just this quibble: I highly doubt that it is legal to work as an electrician in the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois without a license. Lots of people probably do it, but it's surely not legal.
  75. @Abe

    Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you’d have to deport more than a million or two.
     
    By remarkable coincidence, I was having this exact same argument with my wife this morning after CNN had come on and the talking-head anchor (Ashley Banfield?) was in the process of grilling some waxy-skinned, Dixiecrat Trump Supporter about the supposed absurdity of deporting 11 million illegals "humanely". I pointed out that 3-4 million had already self-deported last time the economy crashed. She hit me with a pillow.

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don't call it self-deporation. Call it "enabling their homecoming.". Watch liberal heads explode trying to refute this phrasing when from every conceivable angle it is true. "Sure it's true from a literal and logical stand-point. But when one considers the context from which Trump's rhetoric comes..."

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don’t call it self-deporation. Call it “enabling their homecoming.”.

    ‘Global familial re-integration’. Who could be against that?

    • Replies: @Forbes

    ‘Global familial re-integration’
     
    is what the left wants to happen in the US.
  76. @Glossy
    When a man criticizes a woman in some dry, technical, impersonal subject, the woman often fights back by saying that the man is obsessed with her in a stalker-like fashion. They take everything personally, relating to the impersonal, abstract world the way that a math-textbook two-dimensional man relates to the third dimension of deapth.

    With regard to the above, it would be interesting to calculate how many Anne Applebaum articles in a row have now mentioned Putin. The number could be in the hundreds. And as a powerful, famous, virile man, Putin SHOULD be expected to ispire stalking-like behavior in some women.

    I know there's a lot more to her hatred for him than that, but to me that's a funny way to look at it, and probably partly true as well.

    Somebody bugged the restaurant talk of Ms. Applebaum’s husband, the former Polish foreign minister, which hurt her husband’s career. I wouldn’t be surprised if she blames Putin for it. I can’t criticize her for being a loyal wife and hating her husband’s enemies.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Great that she's a loyal wife. How about being a loyal freeking AMERICAN now?
  77. @Harry Baldwin
    Great post, as usual.

    Some are going weak in the knees today on reports that Trump is altering his deportation stance. Cuck Steve Hayes on Fox tonight was deriding him, saying his plan now sounds weaker than Cruz's (as if Cruz really intended to do anything). My view is that all the talk of forcibly deporting 12 million people is pointless as it would never be necessary. Start enforcing existing law, punish sanctuary cities, and stop preventing states like Arizona from doing their own enforcement and most illegals will self-deport. I doubt you'd have to deport more than a million or two.

    BTW, Weigel wrote a good article yesterday on "race realists"--changed in the headline to "racialists." I consider it a minor victory that they didn't default to "racist."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/racial-realists-are-cheered-by-trumps-latest-strategy/2016/08/20/cd71e858-6636-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    That article was just part of the standard media narrative–Trump has the support of bad people, and you don’t want to be a bad person, do you? The average WaPo reader is not going to be pleased by hearing about Jared Taylor.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I don't agree. The article was a plus for our side. The views of the alt-right are generally not aired in the MSM, and in this article they were. Many may find them frightening, but some will think, "I've never heard this before, but oddly enough it makes more sense to me than what I've been reading on the editorial page. Maybe I should look into it."
  78. @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    lolz, amused/puzzled that this comment was posted and let thru, but wow yes her voice really *is* pure as bell, pretty as a belle

    You should know that Sailer’s biggest failing is a soft heart .

  79. Weigel missed the Khaddafi joke completely. He’s not very perceptive.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    If you're referring to the spelling, it's a little too obscure for those who don't follow iSteve.
  80. @anonymous
    I've wondered why this has become such a powerful idea for leftists.

    Over time I suspect the world WILL become smaller and more globalized, and could gradually move towards harmonized regulations/laws and such. Even the flow of people could become easier in the future with better ID technology, etc. The optimum word is *gradual*

    I don't know what it is, but there seems to be an almost manic obsession with pushing this process forward in a hasty, unnatural way…it seems to me that it's really only been the last few years that this idea of 'borderless' has become a thing - the average person didn't even have this on the radar 5 - 10 years ago.

    Why now, all of a sudden? Is there some reason I'm not aware of why this is such a pressing concern. I understand the leftist desire for fairness/equality, etc. …but overall, the levels of extreme poverty and desperation, globally, are probably lower today than in the past.

    Is this a pivotal moment in some way that I'm not understanding…or is it just an idea who's time has come for no particular reason?

    When I see something like what is happening in Germany, I really can't get my head around it. It just seems nonsensical. But I don't think Angela Merkle is an idiot …Does she know something that I don't know (or maybe she IS an idiot?)

    It does seem like there is some alien planet sending messages to the Western leaders: weaken/ destroy your countries or we destroy earth. Crazy. Outlandish. Could never happen. But then again, maybe such a threatening message is actually coming from a much older and closer enemy of the West. The kind of people who hate 99% of humanity and actually committed Deicide to prove it.

  81. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future."

    Now this is one of Steve's best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what's coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, 'Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, 'cause this isn't going away and this issue's only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on'. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That's incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter's 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    I think all these encomiums for Trump are exaggerated. Pat Buchanan did an excellent job in 1992 communicating these ideas but was ignored because he was not flashy. But see these

    and tell if Trump can hold a candle to Buchanan.

    And see how much more coherent even Ross Perot was on trade in 1992

    With so much good material, Trump is a Jackass to lose this extremely easily winnable election by running his mouth where it need not be.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    One difference between then and now is because we are very close to losing forever the ability to control our destiny via the democratic process. Once we get to less than a practical 50% of white voters willing to vote for the one party, the only way to resist tyranny is via armed revolution. We are closer to that than when Buchanan ran. A lot of people are procrastinators, which kind of makes sense, because a lot of bad things that may be possible don't come to pass.

    http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/white_percentage_us.jpg

    , @Mr. Anon
    And with such good material, Perot never got more than 19% of the popular vote, and Pat Buchanan never got more than 38% of the vote in a Republican primary. For the most part, White people were neither ready for, nor interested in, such a message at that time. Difficult though it is to believe - that election was less than a quarter century ago - it was a very different nation than the US today. The country has changed radically even in that short time. Trump has gotten much much farther with a similar kind of message to that of Perot and Buchanan because circumstances have changed.
    , @Bill
    I'm baffled. Trump is a jackass, but the long line of men who failed to advance the agenda Trump is advancing are great. I vastly prefer Buchanan to Trump, but Buchanan lost repeatedly. He is not as good a politician as Trump. That's certainly a negative commentary on democracy and on contemporary America, but it is what it is.

    I was listening to NPR this morning as two political consultant goons (the guy who guided Clinton to defeat in 2008 and the guy who guided Mittens to defeat in 2012), opined on what Trump needs to do to win. They both described Trump as a poor candidate who is running a poor campaign. It's as if Trump effortlessly crushing the entire GOP field over the vigorous objections of the GOPe and the media simply didn't happen in their world.

    Props for posting Buchanan's speech. That is absolute gold.

  82. “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    How soon before everyone is saying they always knew the races were different?

    How will it change the Narrative?

    How will those in power keep the new game going then?

  83. Is David related to Catholic neocon George Weigel?

  84. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future."

    Now this is one of Steve's best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what's coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, 'Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, 'cause this isn't going away and this issue's only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on'. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That's incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter's 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    Could it be more simple than that – the Trump “awakening” to the immigration crisis?

    Despite the zombie-like march of thousands of migrants into Europe the last years, I think it is just very simple: we care about our children. Of course, now we are made to feel guilty about migrant children/unaccompanied minors from across the southern US non-border, because, well, we are so wealthy and privileged and all that, or so we are constantly told.

    I do agree that Trump, having had several children and now, grandchildren, does not want the USA to become a chaotic, corrupt loser country, a Banana Republic like every nation south of the USA border for his descendants. Simultaneously, Europeans, who were lectured by Merkel and EU progressive fascists, that children and families from Syria must be accommodated by all EU nations equally (despite the fact that 80% of the migrants were men 15-35…fighting age from like, creepy Chechnya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, wherever) must check their centuries-old European “white” privilege. Well, the human animal is really only going to respond to their own progeny first. Can’t change animal instincts of survival.

    And, lastly, we have had way too many nasty, young, jihadies, male and female, going through a lot of trouble to kill US citizens in our country. Why do we have have to care about other peoples’ children? We want to protect our children from crazy, nihilistic idealogues at all costs. Most of us do not want people here who do not respect our values…and we are skeptical (after 9/11 & hundreds of other jihadi murders world-wide) that immigrants are not violent. Like I said a while back, people are allowed to feel fear…no one should be shamed or bullied by others if they are afraid. Fear is a fact, today.

  85. @SFG
    Yeah, I think it's time for at least some people to start thinking what to do in the event of a Hillary victory. It's not my role to lead the movement, but some thoughts you can take or leave:

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    -Similarly, you can try to play down explicit racial rhetoric to achieve goals you want such as limitation of immigration, or try to advance white identity politics as a legitimate thing-in-itself. Again, pluses and minuses to each.

    -You might want to be careful about how you define 'welfare benefits'--everyone's really fond of Social Security and Medicare, and Trump saying he was going to leave those alone was part of what made him attractive to downscale whites to begin with.

    I think Hillary has major issues after that brain injury/fall. Her energy and speech is deteriorating – it is so obvious. She never gives interviews, and, at her smallish rallies, she can not perform without stumbling, having Tourette’s like spasms, or having those forgetful, dazed moments like people with Alzheimer’s. I think she is not gonna make it since the waters of “her health issues,” have been chummed big-time, these last few days. Anyway, I sure hope so, I am scared to death of her.

  86. @Spotted Toad
    I think it was on the menu since the 90s, as Bill Clinton's quote suggests, but the real push comes because 2008 scared the shit out of the people who run the world.

    Here's how I see it. The way rich countries especially the US work is by using the productive capacity of the society as collateral for huge amounts of debt, that then the rest of the society can use to consume enough to keep the productive sectors of society working (and the productive sectors of other countries.) But in 2008, everyone had to stand up and face the fact (that goes a lot deeper than just housing debt) that a lot of the money moving the water wheel of capital flow forward is just never ever going to get paid back, because the people spending it just don't have that much future earnings under even optimistic readings.

    Maybe there are some more rational resolutions to this problem- the most durable it seems to me would be to convince richer people to have bigger families, which would increase consumption among people who could conceivably pay their debts. But there are various reasons why the Powers That Be don't want this to happen, not least because rich people themselves don't by and large want big families, but also because if the middle class had bigger families they would be much harder to push around ideologically and politically.

    So what's the solution? Instead of importing millions of Central Americans who will each be given $500,000 on debt that they'll never pay back, we'll import tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits worth a fair chunk of change without needing quite as much highly leveraged debt. If they just up their consumption to vaguely Western levels without putting the whole Rube Goldberg machine in jeopardy, then the plan is a success. That they'll also usher in a one party state doesn't hurt, of course.

    We lose money on each one, but we make it up on volume.

    To be honest, I don’t see any evidence of a plan to import “tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits “. Not even Hillary has such a plan. You are delusional, which is a shame because up until your last paragraph your analysis actually made a lot of sense.

    • Replies: @Spotted Toad
    I meant more in terms of what the ultimate consequence of open borders would be in Europe/the US.

    I don't think any of it needs to be a conscious plan, I just think that "cheap workers" is not really the motivation anymore, and "Democratic voters" is only secondary.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "To be honest, I don’t see any evidence of a plan to import “tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits “. Not even Hillary has such a plan. "

    As I recall, George W. Bush proposed just such a plan shortly after his re-election. Steve wrote about it at some length. It would have allowed anybody from anywhere who could claim that they had been offered a job in America to come here; no restrictions on place or number. It is reasonable to presume that Hillary might propose something just as awful.
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve’s central thesis, that massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the west will be *the only* real political issue of the 21st century – forget islamism or the dominance of China and the east – is essentially correct, and will be seen as such by historians of future ages.
    Immigrationism – as pursued by western elitists – really is the equivalent of the pernicious spread of mass ideologies, that is communism and fascism, were to the history of the 20th century. The analogy doesn’t end there. Immigrationism, fascism, communism – all by their very nature are cult-like in belief. All are absolutely intolerant. All are essentially fanatical. All are characterized by ‘will-to-power’ and the massive use of state oppression to implement and crush dissent.All are, in a word, totalitarian.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    In 2005, when Muslims were attracting attention for rioting in Paris and intellectuals were busily excusing them, French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut got a lot of heat for observing that "anti-racism" will be in the 21st century what communism was in the 20th century--a source of violence and war. Sadly, he buckled under the pressure.

    Here are his "problematic" comments:


    In France, they would like very much to reduce these riots to their social dimension, to see them as a revolt of youths from the suburbs against their situation, against the discrimination they suffer from, against the unemployment. The problem is that most of these youths are blacks or Arabs, with a Muslim identity. Look, in France there are also other immigrants whose situation is difficult - Chinese, Vietnamese, Portuguese - and they're not taking part in the riots. Therefore, it is clear that this is a revolt with an ethno-religious character. These people were treated like rebels, like revolutionaries. This is the worst thing that could happen to my country. Why? Because the only way to overcome it is to make them feel ashamed. Shame is the starting point of ethics. But instead of making them feel ashamed, we gave them legitimacy. They're `interesting.' They're `the wretched of the earth.' "Imagine for a moment that they were whites, like in Rostock in Germany. Right away, everyone would have said: `Fascism won't be tolerated.' When an Arab torches a school, it's rebellion. When a white guy does it, it's fascism. I'm `color blind.' Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable.

    Moreover, there's a contradiction here. Because if these suburbs were truly in a state of total neglect, there wouldn't be any gymnasiums to torch, there wouldn't be schools and buses. If there are gymnasiums and schools and buses, it's because someone made an effort. Maybe not enough of one, but an effort." I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse: the separation fence, `Zionism is racism.' This is really a bigger problem: We're living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development.
     

    , @Lagertha
    Completely agree with what you have stated. What the western elites can't control is: fear....however, they may be planning to figure out how to medicate us all through food or water supply! Haha!

    I think fear or just plain negativity towards immigrants has larger components.

    1. the western world is unable to create decent paying jobs for its own citizens, so how will they justify taxing their citizens more to pay for the welfare benefits of a large, dependent, migrant class, a newly created underclass? Also, in the Nordic countries and N.Europe, benefits are already severely cut for the elderly and disabled - many of these facts are ignored by the "gutless" and biased US press. NPR just recently cut it's comments section since most posters chimed in to call out their yuge bias toward anything remotely conservative, or what doesn't fit "the narrative." I feel that the USA is marching toward a fascist/totalitarian state like the ole' USSR with SJWs carrying whips like Stalin did! :)

    2. Global climate change: we are starting to hear that we must accommodate people escaping dry, barren lands in MENA. Yet China is pushing into Africa like gangbusters? China's own air and polluted land is causing cancer and other misery & death. But, what have the Chinese discovered in Africa that seems to be positive for them?

    3. Population explosion outside of western world: How are we ever going to feed these people?
    Population explosion is also: destroying the world's fish supplies (lobsters are leaving Connecticut and Massachusetts just like these state's retirees!) by over fishing- particularly by Asian fishermen; pollution in Indian Ocean and China seas are creating a toxic fish supply/genetically deformed fish ( don't eat any shrimp from Asia, seriously; reefs are dying; land animals in Africa are being poached to extinction; toxic Blue Algae is now spreading its death to more lakes and oceans, including in the USA; And, lastly, virgin forest (cut down) or lush farmlands are covered with solar panels now, and any company will frack in your backyard if you let them.

    4. About 12 years ago I read numerous articles (Time/NYT mag/other mags) about how it was close to $900,000 to raise a child in the USA - probably over a mil now! And, this was primarily: feeding, clothing, housing and educating your child. How can an average parent of average means in this country pay for the children of other people who will wind up needing public assistance since there is a dearth of jobs that one can raise a family on, worldwide?

    5. Everyone secretly frets about the population explosion in the world. On the one hand there is so much psychobabble, SJW endeavors to educate us on how immigration and diversity is so awesome; but, this is diametrically opposed to sustainability.

    I do believe that Pentti Linkola (the weird sage of doomsday thinking in Finland) is correct: there will be growing tension of control over dwindling resources, eroding land, polluted water, loss of habitat, death of wildlife, human diseases spiraling out of control, political corruption, riots. Even the global elite will not be able to protect their children from eminent destruction since someone has to grow the food and supply the clean water...but there will be too many people to feed...and too much desperation. Linkola was a "prepper" before anyone knew the term. He lives in isolation in Finland, deep in the woods.

    The populations of European countries going down is fine. Most of them grew after WW2...so going on to "sustainable levels" is rational. Why import people when there are no jobs? And, even SV admits that nothing awesome has been developed that could employ massive amounts of middle income people again, like in the 50's & 60's. Population should be vigorously controlled; the sooner the better while there is still time. Steve's graph on population in Africa is frightening.

  88. @Muse

    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English.
     
    You are not counting the illegal Polish skilled trade workers at every non-union construction site. The non-union contractors love polish electricians and carpenters because they don't need a license like the plumbers to do the work. The mexicans do much of the drywall, painting and landscaping.

    There are also a huge number Indian and Chinese and other ethnic restaurant workers on 90 day tourist visas. They bring their cousins to work for 90 days, then send them back and bring more relatives to do the next 90 day stint. I am surprised they aren't serving chai teas and mango lassis at all the Dunkin Donut shops in the loop for cryin' out loud.

    There are so many foreigners in this country it is amazing. Those 90 day visa workers aren’t even counted as legal or illegal immigrants either.

    I wonder how many illegal Polish and Russians there are too.

    Is there 1 donut shop or gas station in this country that isn’t owned by an Asian? Most in my area are Indian or Pakistani. I think that is because Reagan singed a bill to give Asians special loans for small businesses.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Go to flyover country to see some gas stations owned and operated by non-immigrants. The future is distributed unevenly.
    , @RadicalCenter
    As an aside, should single men really object to a flood of illegal alien WOMEN from Russia and Poland? ;)
  89. @Glossy
    I strongly disapprove of Moldbug, but he's had a lot of influence on a lot of people in these general circles.

    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I’ve never read a single word he’s written.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Here you go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

    Google(the search engine, not the company)is your friend.
    , @Jean Cocteausten

    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I’ve never read a single word he’s written.
     
    The trouble with Moldbug is that you have to read in 10,000 words what could have been expressed in 1,000.
  90. @Steve Sailer
    Somebody bugged the restaurant talk of Ms. Applebaum's husband, the former Polish foreign minister, which hurt her husband's career. I wouldn't be surprised if she blames Putin for it. I can't criticize her for being a loyal wife and hating her husband's enemies.

    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?

    • Replies: @Randal

    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?
     
    Since the bugging was only revealed in 2014, whereas Applebaum was a virulent Putin-hater for many years before that, the answer's pretty obvious.

    Applebaum transitioned pretty seamlessly from Soviet era anti-communism to Russophobia, unsurprisingly given her ideological (and of course conveniently self-serving) commitment to globalist interventionism, which was always, doubtless, her real reason for opposing communism in the first place.
  91. @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    lolz, amused/puzzled that this comment was posted and let thru, but wow yes her voice really *is* pure as bell, pretty as a belle

    Moderation is haphazard! Even double posts by Steve don’t get deleted.

    • Replies: @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    Well, that one was a gem! I'm glad he posted it, I've listened to that song like six times by now. Donut was right!
  92. @Lurker
    Moderation is haphazard! Even double posts by Steve don't get deleted.

    Well, that one was a gem! I’m glad he posted it, I’ve listened to that song like six times by now. Donut was right!

  93. J says: • Website
    @anonymous
    I've wondered why this has become such a powerful idea for leftists.

    Over time I suspect the world WILL become smaller and more globalized, and could gradually move towards harmonized regulations/laws and such. Even the flow of people could become easier in the future with better ID technology, etc. The optimum word is *gradual*

    I don't know what it is, but there seems to be an almost manic obsession with pushing this process forward in a hasty, unnatural way…it seems to me that it's really only been the last few years that this idea of 'borderless' has become a thing - the average person didn't even have this on the radar 5 - 10 years ago.

    Why now, all of a sudden? Is there some reason I'm not aware of why this is such a pressing concern. I understand the leftist desire for fairness/equality, etc. …but overall, the levels of extreme poverty and desperation, globally, are probably lower today than in the past.

    Is this a pivotal moment in some way that I'm not understanding…or is it just an idea who's time has come for no particular reason?

    When I see something like what is happening in Germany, I really can't get my head around it. It just seems nonsensical. But I don't think Angela Merkle is an idiot …Does she know something that I don't know (or maybe she IS an idiot?)

    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Absolute rubbish.

    Germany refused the early immigration of untold millions of former eastern bloc EU workers for 7 seven years until EU rules forced them to take them. Hardly the actions of a nation clamoring for workers. And these east Europeans were real workers,mind, not like the welfare recipients from africa/Asia.
    It's been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.
    , @Yak-15
    There are certainly some good points about finding ways to pay for the aged. However, these nations will not incur positive effects by importing low-IQ, low-skill populations who, if not wards of the state, will likely be negative contributors to the bottom line.

    Simultaneously, these populations are not truly progressive liberals in the post-modern sense. They are ethnic tribalists who vote for interests of their people more than for blanket liberal causes. When push comes to shove and the generous budgets become untenable, they will vote for things for themselves and their children while leaving the pensioners destitute. Those old whites were racist anyhow and destroyed our civilizations and denied us our religious freedoms/human rights. Didn't you read about the Crusades in Gymasium or watch the new refugee movie The Triumph of the Will (2025)?

    The future of the western world has already been seen on the far-flung islands of the South Pacific. Large chunks of ignorant, low-IQ dolts tinkering with wicker radios and palm branch airplanes trying to get whitey to bring back the consumer goods. It's all ogre bro.
    , @PierreJ

    No country can function in that condition.
     
    Is there a historical example of the dysfunction caused by having an older population?

    If life expectancy trends are anything to go by, eventually one-third of the entire world's population will be over 65. Is living longer and having less over-population a bad thing? Is Earth eventually going to have to resort to importing Martian immigrants?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Completely inaccurate in light of current and rapidly emerging technology. Japan is using robotics and increased mechanization to do more and more things in society rather than importing non-Japanese people (let alone hostile and dangerous people like Muslims or Africans) to do them.
    , @RadicalCenter
    P.S. But of course, German women, and European / european-American women having children would be far superior to robotics and automation.
  94. @Lurker
    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?

    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?

    Since the bugging was only revealed in 2014, whereas Applebaum was a virulent Putin-hater for many years before that, the answer’s pretty obvious.

    Applebaum transitioned pretty seamlessly from Soviet era anti-communism to Russophobia, unsurprisingly given her ideological (and of course conveniently self-serving) commitment to globalist interventionism, which was always, doubtless, her real reason for opposing communism in the first place.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Maybe she loves her husband?
    , @Boomstick
    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.
  95. @Randal

    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?
     
    Since the bugging was only revealed in 2014, whereas Applebaum was a virulent Putin-hater for many years before that, the answer's pretty obvious.

    Applebaum transitioned pretty seamlessly from Soviet era anti-communism to Russophobia, unsurprisingly given her ideological (and of course conveniently self-serving) commitment to globalist interventionism, which was always, doubtless, her real reason for opposing communism in the first place.

    Maybe she loves her husband?

    • Replies: @Randal

    Maybe she loves her husband?
     
    Stranger things have happened.

    But the evidence suggests it's more likely any such connection might have resulted from a shared commitment to globalist interventionism and Russophobia, and a consequent hatred of Putin, than that the latter grew out of the former.
    , @reiner Tor
    That's not a reason for hating the Russians, especially not for hating them so passionately. I'm not even sure her husband hates Putin with so much passion, do we have any proof of that?
    , @Matra
    Even if she only hated Putin or for that matter the new Polish government because she loved her husband it would still be no excuse. She's one of the two or three most influential East European-watchers in the English-speaking media. Surely she has a duty to her North American and British readers to tell the truth or resign her position due to a conflict of interest. I know that's the old fashioned Anglo-Saxon way that's all but dead these days but most of her readers and those who see her occasionally on British TV are unlikely to be aware of her biases.
  96. @epebble
    I think all these encomiums for Trump are exaggerated. Pat Buchanan did an excellent job in 1992 communicating these ideas but was ignored because he was not flashy. But see these

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5_1ps5CAc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICypNXHKbg

    and tell if Trump can hold a candle to Buchanan.

    And see how much more coherent even Ross Perot was on trade in 1992

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

    With so much good material, Trump is a Jackass to lose this extremely easily winnable election by running his mouth where it need not be.

    One difference between then and now is because we are very close to losing forever the ability to control our destiny via the democratic process. Once we get to less than a practical 50% of white voters willing to vote for the one party, the only way to resist tyranny is via armed revolution. We are closer to that than when Buchanan ran. A lot of people are procrastinators, which kind of makes sense, because a lot of bad things that may be possible don’t come to pass.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Precisely correct, sir. European-Americans are often open to voting for either major party. Every other major demographic group in the USA is largely closed to debate, impervious to reasoned argument, and dead set on voting for the party of hating whites and getting free stuff.
  97. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe she loves her husband?

    Maybe she loves her husband?

    Stranger things have happened.

    But the evidence suggests it’s more likely any such connection might have resulted from a shared commitment to globalist interventionism and Russophobia, and a consequent hatred of Putin, than that the latter grew out of the former.

    • Agree: Glossy
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They got married in 1992, so hatred of Putin probably wasn't a factor at the time.

    A lot of people in Poland hate Putin. The head of the right wing party that defeated Ms. Applebaum's husband's centrist party in the last election really hates Putin. He suspects Putin murdered his identical twin brother in that big plane crash at Katyn. I doubt it, but I can see where he's coming from.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    Absolute rubbish.

    Germany refused the early immigration of untold millions of former eastern bloc EU workers for 7 seven years until EU rules forced them to take them. Hardly the actions of a nation clamoring for workers. And these east Europeans were real workers,mind, not like the welfare recipients from africa/Asia.
    It’s been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @J
    Producing the next generation is always expensive. Absorbing immigrants consumes resources and imposes severe stress on the society. Lowers average IQ too. Bringing up children is even more expensive, specially in a child-unfriendly place like Germany. But what is the alternative?
    , @Menschmaschine

    It’s been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.
     
    Well, according to the reigning dogma of Keynesian crackpot "economics" this is great, it makes us all richer:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/who-s-the-better-keynesian-schaeuble-says-he-s-the-one

    Instead, years of debt reduction are giving Germany the leeway to pump at least 6 billion euros ($6.7 billion) into the economy next year as aid for a record number of refugees arriving in the country, Schaeuble said."

    "The extra spending will boost German gross domestic product by 0.2 percentage point to 0.3 percentage point in 2016, said Marcel Fratzscher, head of the DIW economic institute.

    “This is an unplanned stimulus package that will certainly help the German economy,” he said in an interview in Berlin on Tuesday."
     
    The 'ditch digging and then filling it up again' proposal by old fraud Keynes himself at least did not require an exploding crime rate.
  99. @utu
    "My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it."

    When Trump delivered his speech on June 16, 2015 immigration crisis in Europe was still 1-2 months away. People were talking about immigrants but mostly the ones from Libya via Italy. But Orban was planning his fence. Still the invasion from Turkey via Greece did not start yet but it was already planned. By whom? For these reasons I always believed that Trump had a very good intelligence source. I do not believe in accidents. Find out who planned the invasion and made it happen you will know who is really running Trump.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people's minds.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people’s minds.

    The facts about Muslims have been congealing in American minds since 2001. The shape they assume is a threatening one of intolerance and unpredictable homicide.

  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    What will happen if trump losses, now it may trigger some people here but I am Islam as an analogy, basically let us assume that trump is a moderate and WNs are radical islamists, now if trump loses some of the moderate will just give up, but a large portion of the former moderates will be radicalized and radicals, since they will see that the moderate strategy and ideology leads nowhere, basiacally what you see these cases is the moderates gets squeezed out and pretty much becomes marginalised, while the radicals actually gain in followers, unless the government acts super quickly and crushes the radicals at the same time before they gain and start to consolidate maybe the the now radicalized former moderates, so they question is how many percentage of trumps young white supporters can be radicalized once they see that all political avenues have been exhausted, 10, 20, 40 percent? Now if you are running a radical organisation trumps loss can actually be an opportunity for recruitment of disillusioned and angry moderates.

  101. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe she loves her husband?

    That’s not a reason for hating the Russians, especially not for hating them so passionately. I’m not even sure her husband hates Putin with so much passion, do we have any proof of that?

  102. @Randal

    Maybe she loves her husband?
     
    Stranger things have happened.

    But the evidence suggests it's more likely any such connection might have resulted from a shared commitment to globalist interventionism and Russophobia, and a consequent hatred of Putin, than that the latter grew out of the former.

    They got married in 1992, so hatred of Putin probably wasn’t a factor at the time.

    A lot of people in Poland hate Putin. The head of the right wing party that defeated Ms. Applebaum’s husband’s centrist party in the last election really hates Putin. He suspects Putin murdered his identical twin brother in that big plane crash at Katyn. I doubt it, but I can see where he’s coming from.

    • Replies: @Randal
    As I wrote: "consequent" hatred of Putin. The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.
  103. @Steve Sailer
    They got married in 1992, so hatred of Putin probably wasn't a factor at the time.

    A lot of people in Poland hate Putin. The head of the right wing party that defeated Ms. Applebaum's husband's centrist party in the last election really hates Putin. He suspects Putin murdered his identical twin brother in that big plane crash at Katyn. I doubt it, but I can see where he's coming from.

    As I wrote: “consequent” hatred of Putin. The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.
     
    Just their personal interests. Their ideological and political interests of Anne Applebaum and her husband, Radoslaw "Radek" Sikorski, the former Polish foreign minister and speaker of the parliament, are a consequence of their personal interests. This is true of a broad subset of the elites these days. The Clintons, of course, are perhaps the best and most visible example in our times.
  104. @Jack D
    We lose money on each one, but we make it up on volume.

    To be honest, I don't see any evidence of a plan to import "tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits ". Not even Hillary has such a plan. You are delusional, which is a shame because up until your last paragraph your analysis actually made a lot of sense.

    I meant more in terms of what the ultimate consequence of open borders would be in Europe/the US.

    I don’t think any of it needs to be a conscious plan, I just think that “cheap workers” is not really the motivation anymore, and “Democratic voters” is only secondary.

  105. A country can function and in fact thrive, and will not implode and meltdown and descend into a living hell of decreased diaper sales, if its birthrate declines. A smaller population is not a disaster and in fact probably improves quality of life for most people. Birthrates and fertility rates CHANGE. Dynamic, moving, not static. If fertility rates go from 4.1 to 1.6, they also can go from 1.6 to 2.4, or 2.8. If population decreases, and housing costs decrease and there is an increased demand for labor, fertility rates can respond and people can have more children. If they don’t, and the US population declines from 315 million to 270 million, SO WHAT? Myself, I am for less traffic, less congestion, more open space, less pollution. The myth that a nation needs to import “young workers”, or similar nonsensical mythology, is just that — mythology dreamed up by the Chamber of Commerce that wants cheap labor and ever-increasing toilet paper sales revenue. If a smaller population will cause financial mega-armageddon and the End of the World as We Know It for “the pension program” — ADJUST THE PENSION PROGRAM. China’s birthrate has dropped over the years. Is China going to disappear? Is China descending into smaller population Mad Max hell-on-Earth because of a lowered birthrate? Does China need to import Bengalis or Indonesians for cheap labor in order to survive? No nation needs to import one single immigrant, for anything. This is so elementary you would think it does not merit mention, but the media pushes this mythology constantly and too many people swallow it hook line sinker fishing pole and boat.

  106. Only recently did I understand that one of your best promotional tools was the comment sections where you could link to your work. Why aren’t you a commenter on this article considering how big the venue is and that the theme is strategical rather than ideological per se?

    It is a shame that Sailer isn’t interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders. Maybe it would be possible to set up a Reddit AMA on one of the big threads sold as “ask the intellectual godfather of race realists anything”. Seems like another good promotional avenue.

    • Replies: @RamonaQ
    An AMA is an excellent idea. I hope he does one.
    , @kaganovitch
    "It is a shame that Sailer isn’t interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders."

    Why, if I didn't know better , I would think that TPTB don't have the best interests of the race realist/citizenist movement at heart. Hard to fathom I know .
    , @Dahlia
    I'm wondering what reach Spencer actually has given how much press he receives.

    Lawrence Auster laid into his site when it first came out, and it seemed to me that it would only have very narrow niche appeal. In short, I suspect that most of Spencer's readers read Steve, but not vice versa. But I haven't checked out the site since its debut and maybe totally wrong about all of this.

    Jared Taylor and American Renaissance is another story, predating Steve's internet adventures.

    Steve Sailer is the central figure of the Alt-Right. He organized it, gave it its character, and remains its central voice with his originality, creativity, and intelligence. I'm not sure why the media is focusing on people who exist alongside Steve (Brimelow, Taylor), but especially the focus on the remote outer reaches of Steve's influence confounds me: twitter trolls, 4chan, angry manosphere types like Forney, etc.

    It's probably for the best, haha, but most of the writing on the alt-Right is boring. Until I see a focus on Steve Sailer, with mentions of Gregory Cochran, Ron Unz, and, Lord have mercy, "Agnostic", I'm not interested, lol!

  107. @BenjaminL
    Well, maybe.... But:

    1. VDare has never (I believe) published certain of the more high-profile or committed neo-reactionary or white nationalist people (Milo, or Richard Spencer), suggesting that it is not really a "clearinghouse." I believe that it only publishes such writers insofar as their work bears on immigration.

    2. VDare also publishes a number of (quasi-)mainstream pundits (Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham) who are arguably not "hard-right or white nationalist."

    3. VDare also (I believe) publishes writers whose focus is solely on immigration and who are not very (or not at all) hard-right or white nationalist: Norm Matloff, Allan Wall, Brenda Walker. In fact, Wall and Derbyshire are married to non-white women (Mexican and Chinese, respectively) and for that reason distrusted by white nationalists. Derbyshire is also accused of being insufficiently anti-Jewish by other white nationalists.

    4. VDare also publishes exchanges, pro and con, on white nationalism (see Jared Taylor vs. Steve Sailer, Kevin MacDonald vs. Eric Kauffman).

    5. With writers such as Taylor and MacDonald, VDare tends to publish their material that bears on immigration, whereas their more generally "nationalist" material appears at their own sites.

    6. VDare's few staff writers (Fulford and Kirkpatrick), focus mostly on immigration.

    7. VDare's "About" page, etc., present the site as an extension of Brimelow's book on immigration, Alien Nation.

    8. VDare is happy to publish non-white writers (Yeagley, Malkin) in support of its views.

    Altogether, this says to me that VDare would be more accurately described as "a clearinghouse for patriotic immigration reform, which does not discriminate against white nationalist or hard-right intellectuals when they agree with its views." Just to take our host for example, Sailer is on the record (against Taylor) in support of "citizenism" against both Taylor's white nationalism, and the "leapfrogging loyalties" of the globalist elite.

    Is Wall’s wife really “non-white”? “Mexican” is neither a color nor a true ethnic group. Most Mexicans are mestizo but some are pure Caucasian and many others are FAIAP.

    Yeagley was also white enough for government work, and insofar as he was Comanche, well, why wouldn’t an American Indian oppose more immigration? Mass immigration of alien peoples ended up largely destroying every culture from the Atlantic to the Pacific, at least north of southern Mexico.

    As for Derb, the problem isn’t that he’s not “anti-Jew .” It’s that he calls people like Susan Sonntag “white ethnomasochists” despite knowing full well that she was Jewish and that her hatred of white people did not likely extend to her own tribe.

    Ashkenazim obviously have a lot of Aryan genes, and even their Semitic ancestors were not that far removed from Aryans, relatively speaking. But they are a genetically distinct and historically endogamous population, and even today far too many of them engage in clannish behaviors while seeking to deny non-Jewish whites the right to do the same.

  108. A political party should exist to serve the interests of their voters. The GOP for the longest time has thought the voters existed to serve the party, much like the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Win or lose, Trump has shattered this idea permanently.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Let's hope so.

    The GOP may not officially disband soon, or for a long time, but if trump loses, trump voters will know that he could and would have won but for the dishonest and hysterical opposition and treachery of establishment republicans.

    Then there will be a new major party formed, an explicitly nationalist / citizenist party (hopefully not a racist or racialist party, if we want to actually win and not further stoke racial / cultural divisions).
  109. @Glossy
    When a man criticizes a woman in some dry, technical, impersonal subject, the woman often fights back by saying that the man is obsessed with her in a stalker-like fashion. They take everything personally, relating to the impersonal, abstract world the way that a math-textbook two-dimensional man relates to the third dimension of deapth.

    With regard to the above, it would be interesting to calculate how many Anne Applebaum articles in a row have now mentioned Putin. The number could be in the hundreds. And as a powerful, famous, virile man, Putin SHOULD be expected to ispire stalking-like behavior in some women.

    I know there's a lot more to her hatred for him than that, but to me that's a funny way to look at it, and probably partly true as well.

    N.B. Anne Applebaum has no problem agitating in favor of reprehensible men if her personal (read: her husband’s) interests so dictate.

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, that she's a loyal wife isn't the worse thing I've ever heard about about anybody.
    , @ben tillman

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.
     
    Not a statutory rapist. A rapist. He drugged a 12-year-old girl and raped her.
  110. @The Man From K Street
    N.B. Anne Applebaum has no problem agitating in favor of reprehensible men if her personal (read: her husband's) interests so dictate.

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.

    Like I said, that she’s a loyal wife isn’t the worse thing I’ve ever heard about about anybody.

  111. @Sam
    @Steve Sailer

    Only recently did I understand that one of your best promotional tools was the comment sections where you could link to your work. Why aren't you a commenter on this article considering how big the venue is and that the theme is strategical rather than ideological per se?

    It is a shame that Sailer isn't interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders. Maybe it would be possible to set up a Reddit AMA on one of the big threads sold as "ask the intellectual godfather of race realists anything". Seems like another good promotional avenue.

    An AMA is an excellent idea. I hope he does one.

  112. @SFG
    That's a very good point. I think the hole in their armor was that once enough people got angry about it, it became a $10,000 bill (to continue the metaphor).

    Trump was also a longshot to begin with--no elected office record, seen as kind of an unserious reality-show character. He needed an edge to stand out from the other 16. He also could afford to take a few risks--after all, if he loses he just goes back to his penthouse in Trump Tower. Rubio's financially underwater, to take one example.

    “Trump was also a longshot to begin with–no elected office record, seen as kind of an unserious reality-show character.”

    Fortunately for Trump, Hillary is herself, and has always been, a reality-TV character – the star of the long running series My Big Fat Corrupt Sociopath Presidential Inauguration.

  113. @Lurker
    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I've never read a single word he's written.

    Here you go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

    Google(the search engine, not the company)is your friend.

  114. @Jack D
    We lose money on each one, but we make it up on volume.

    To be honest, I don't see any evidence of a plan to import "tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits ". Not even Hillary has such a plan. You are delusional, which is a shame because up until your last paragraph your analysis actually made a lot of sense.

    “To be honest, I don’t see any evidence of a plan to import “tens of millions of African/Middle Eastern/South Asians, who each will be eligible for benefits “. Not even Hillary has such a plan. ”

    As I recall, George W. Bush proposed just such a plan shortly after his re-election. Steve wrote about it at some length. It would have allowed anybody from anywhere who could claim that they had been offered a job in America to come here; no restrictions on place or number. It is reasonable to presume that Hillary might propose something just as awful.

  115. @epebble
    I think all these encomiums for Trump are exaggerated. Pat Buchanan did an excellent job in 1992 communicating these ideas but was ignored because he was not flashy. But see these

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5_1ps5CAc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICypNXHKbg

    and tell if Trump can hold a candle to Buchanan.

    And see how much more coherent even Ross Perot was on trade in 1992

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

    With so much good material, Trump is a Jackass to lose this extremely easily winnable election by running his mouth where it need not be.

    And with such good material, Perot never got more than 19% of the popular vote, and Pat Buchanan never got more than 38% of the vote in a Republican primary. For the most part, White people were neither ready for, nor interested in, such a message at that time. Difficult though it is to believe – that election was less than a quarter century ago – it was a very different nation than the US today. The country has changed radically even in that short time. Trump has gotten much much farther with a similar kind of message to that of Perot and Buchanan because circumstances have changed.

  116. @Sam
    @Steve Sailer

    Only recently did I understand that one of your best promotional tools was the comment sections where you could link to your work. Why aren't you a commenter on this article considering how big the venue is and that the theme is strategical rather than ideological per se?

    It is a shame that Sailer isn't interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders. Maybe it would be possible to set up a Reddit AMA on one of the big threads sold as "ask the intellectual godfather of race realists anything". Seems like another good promotional avenue.

    “It is a shame that Sailer isn’t interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders.”

    Why, if I didn’t know better , I would think that TPTB don’t have the best interests of the race realist/citizenist movement at heart. Hard to fathom I know .

  117. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    Weigel is still infamously on the Journolist. Has he evolved, or is he just hedging?

    I guess it doesn’t matter. He was more evenhanded here than I expected.

    Congrats, Steve. Pinocchio is a real boy now!

  118. @gruff
    The word "boner" doesn't have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve's meme unfortunately doesn't have legs.

    “The word “boner” doesn’t have the old connotation for 99% of the public. Steve’s meme unfortunately doesn’t have legs.”

    Only a third leg.

    • LOL: gruff
  119. @Hhsiii
    I had the same books. Merkel's boner. Tinker to Evers (I later learned it was pronounced eevers) to Chance, the Black Sox, the million dollar infield, the Gashoise Gang, Mickey Owen's dropped 3rd strike, Enos Slaughter scores from 1st on a single...

    Those books were our Bibles!

    Re: Slaughter: here in Boston, the Philistines still wrongly accuse Johnny Pesky of holding the ball. They forget, and Slaughter knew, that regular center fielder and defensive whiz Dominic (the Little Professor) DiMaggio was hurt and weak-armed Leon Culberson was his replacement.

  120. @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    There are certainly some good points about finding ways to pay for the aged. However, these nations will not incur positive effects by importing low-IQ, low-skill populations who, if not wards of the state, will likely be negative contributors to the bottom line.

    Simultaneously, these populations are not truly progressive liberals in the post-modern sense. They are ethnic tribalists who vote for interests of their people more than for blanket liberal causes. When push comes to shove and the generous budgets become untenable, they will vote for things for themselves and their children while leaving the pensioners destitute. Those old whites were racist anyhow and destroyed our civilizations and denied us our religious freedoms/human rights. Didn’t you read about the Crusades in Gymasium or watch the new refugee movie The Triumph of the Will (2025)?

    The future of the western world has already been seen on the far-flung islands of the South Pacific. Large chunks of ignorant, low-IQ dolts tinkering with wicker radios and palm branch airplanes trying to get whitey to bring back the consumer goods. It’s all ogre bro.

  121. @Abe

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.
     
    Today's coalition-of-the-fringes has its days numbered. You have to remember that Asians (of both the Eastern and Southern variety) are currently free to indulge in their Harold/Kumar-ish micro-aggression resentments to their hearts' contents while still paying taxes at rates that are, by modern standards, at near all-time lows. As the number of people who are net-tax liabilities explodes, rates will have to go up, at which point the principled, public-spirited, color-blind policies of today's GOP might hold more appeal. Or they could simply decide to engage in massive tax fraud.

    Hispanics, on the other hand, are starting to intermarry with the white working class in increasing numbers. Who they will then turn-to/turn-against will be an increasingly interesting question.

    My observation is that the offspring of an interracial marriage identify with the non-white parent, due to Steve’s “flight from white” factor. Obvious example being Obama. Also, parents who adopt non-white children often immediately identify more with that group; they to are expressing their flight from white.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Seems right, generally, unfortunately,

    But it doesn't seem to be the case with our children so far, thankfully. I'm white and my wife is Asian. Luckily for me and for the children, my wife is fully assimilating, speaks fluent English better than most white Americans' English, resents illegal aliens, and is grateful and loyal to the traditional normal European America that she dreamed of as a child.

    We enjoy enraging and confusing brainwashed lefties and white-haters by wearing our TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT shirts together in public, as we do every single damn day and night when not at work. Just this past weekend in a park in New Jersey, a lady loudly called me a "racist" for wearing the shirt, only to look freeking stupid when my wife came back from getting something from the car. I said, "oh, let me introduce you to my wife. (Name), this very well-informed lady thinks I hate nonwhite people. What do you think about that?" My wife, God love her, answers, "I think her eyesight must be just be as poor as her manners." I wanted to marry her a second time.

    There are many more nonwhite immigrants like my wife, though I'm pretty confident not a majority of nonwhite immigrants. In other words, my wife and the other good trustworthy new Americans like her are NOT a valid argument for permissive third world immigration policies or open borders. For every one like my wife, we are getting more than one who is very much not like her.
  122. @Anonymous
    Absolute rubbish.

    Germany refused the early immigration of untold millions of former eastern bloc EU workers for 7 seven years until EU rules forced them to take them. Hardly the actions of a nation clamoring for workers. And these east Europeans were real workers,mind, not like the welfare recipients from africa/Asia.
    It's been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.

    Producing the next generation is always expensive. Absorbing immigrants consumes resources and imposes severe stress on the society. Lowers average IQ too. Bringing up children is even more expensive, specially in a child-unfriendly place like Germany. But what is the alternative?

    • Replies: @epebble
    Pets to love and be loved, Robots to do work, compatible High IQ immigrants to populate the country. Everybody wins; Easy on the environment.
  123. @Anonymous
    Absolute rubbish.

    Germany refused the early immigration of untold millions of former eastern bloc EU workers for 7 seven years until EU rules forced them to take them. Hardly the actions of a nation clamoring for workers. And these east Europeans were real workers,mind, not like the welfare recipients from africa/Asia.
    It's been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.

    It’s been proven that third world immigration into Germany has been an economic and fiscal disaster. It COSTS Germany money, not contributes money.

    Well, according to the reigning dogma of Keynesian crackpot “economics” this is great, it makes us all richer:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/who-s-the-better-keynesian-schaeuble-says-he-s-the-one

    Instead, years of debt reduction are giving Germany the leeway to pump at least 6 billion euros ($6.7 billion) into the economy next year as aid for a record number of refugees arriving in the country, Schaeuble said.”

    “The extra spending will boost German gross domestic product by 0.2 percentage point to 0.3 percentage point in 2016, said Marcel Fratzscher, head of the DIW economic institute.

    “This is an unplanned stimulus package that will certainly help the German economy,” he said in an interview in Berlin on Tuesday.”

    The ‘ditch digging and then filling it up again’ proposal by old fraud Keynes himself at least did not require an exploding crime rate.

  124. @utu
    "My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it."

    When Trump delivered his speech on June 16, 2015 immigration crisis in Europe was still 1-2 months away. People were talking about immigrants but mostly the ones from Libya via Italy. But Orban was planning his fence. Still the invasion from Turkey via Greece did not start yet but it was already planned. By whom? For these reasons I always believed that Trump had a very good intelligence source. I do not believe in accidents. Find out who planned the invasion and made it happen you will know who is really running Trump.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people's minds.

    Mexican and Central American immigrants are non-threatening in the same way that flood waters that are still below knee level aren’t threatening. Those I see around me look nice enough. But the flood is rising, and we will be inundated by their sub-mediocre capabilities.

    Muslims make themselves threatening. They seem determined to do so. They set foot on your land as an invading army in the flush of victory. Look at Khizr Khan, railing at us from the podium at the Democrat Convention. Go home, Khan, your opinion is not wanted.

  125. @Randal

    But did the hating actually come before the bugging?
     
    Since the bugging was only revealed in 2014, whereas Applebaum was a virulent Putin-hater for many years before that, the answer's pretty obvious.

    Applebaum transitioned pretty seamlessly from Soviet era anti-communism to Russophobia, unsurprisingly given her ideological (and of course conveniently self-serving) commitment to globalist interventionism, which was always, doubtless, her real reason for opposing communism in the first place.

    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.

    • Replies: @Randal

    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.
     
    Opposing tyranny in your own country, sure. Opposing supposed tyranny in other countries, unless those countries are plausible and direct threats to your own (as the Soviet Union arguably was for Brits and Yanks in the mid- and late C20th), for ideological or ulterior reasons is precisely the neocon/"humanitarian interventionist" poison that has made US foreign policy so catastrophically destructive in the past two decades.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.
     
    It's theoretically possible that her evident hatred of Russia and of Putin's resistance to the US sphere globalism and liberalism that she has been a high profile advocate of throughout her journalistic life (working for globalist publications such as the Economist) would have faded away after the end of the Soviet Union, without her marital and new national loyalties to keep them alive. But not very plausible, imo. It's far more straightforward just to recognise that those with her US-uber-alles globalist and liberal political opinions generally hate Russia and Putin, and do so precisely because the latter get in their way and represent (and worse, do so effectively) everything they hate.
    , @Lurker
    If only some way could be found for Europe and Russia to ally and Poland (trapped between) would be secure?

    Cue neo-con whining. . .
    , @RadicalCenter
    If I lived in a country bordering Russia, I sure as Hell would fear Russia and demand that my government ramp up defense capabilities. I don't trust Russia for a minute, even living here in the USA.

    But the USA and our NATO flunkies are still mostly in the wrong in the Crimea and Donbass and Syrian conflicts, when compared to Russia.
  126. @Boomstick
    That article was just part of the standard media narrative--Trump has the support of bad people, and you don't want to be a bad person, do you? The average WaPo reader is not going to be pleased by hearing about Jared Taylor.

    I don’t agree. The article was a plus for our side. The views of the alt-right are generally not aired in the MSM, and in this article they were. Many may find them frightening, but some will think, “I’ve never heard this before, but oddly enough it makes more sense to me than what I’ve been reading on the editorial page. Maybe I should look into it.”

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    This is exactly how I felt when I stumbled into the Steveosphere. I have introduced several people (all, former Democrats), who are grateful to have found this forum. And, relieved they are not losing their mind because of the issues the global elites, MSM and the SJWs are pushing like drug cartels.

    I never, never in my lifetime, thought there could be a steady march towards fascism in this country - that was for all those other disorganized Banana Republics that we sneered at ;). These American and EU totalitarians; with all their zeal for censorship, threats that they will expose Trump supporters/official campaign personnel as racists/call people racists or fine them for "race talk," like in Sweden; all their dumb-ass trigger warnings and safe spaces are the true fascists, not Trump, for chrissake. Most of these SJWs, one day, will be childless, old, cat-ladies, who realize they don't have enough money to retire, and will die alone in some shabby govt nursing home.

    I guess I am just so annoyed at everything these days because I am a descendant of entrepreneurs who created innovative private industry jobs for many. Note to the people who insist on voting for the ultimate grifter couple: Liberal/Progressive policies don't work! Someone actually has to create/build something...you can't keep taxing people to pay for everything if the population of poor people just gets larger.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    This is basically how I felt, although it has crossed my mind that by shining a light on Steve et al during this election season, the media can tie them to Trump in people's minds. A win for Hillary could be used to smear the Sailer Strategy with the taint of failure and make HBD a byword for angry wall-builders.

    As far as bringing more people into the fold, what the alt-right needs is its version of the Gideon's. The Republican Hill staffer sitting in a cheap motel contemplating his mortality takes "We Are Doomed" out of the bedside table, opens it, and suddenly has his "come to Steve" moment. Or something like that more realistic...
  127. @SnakeEyes
    Weigel missed the Khaddafi joke completely. He's not very perceptive.

    If you’re referring to the spelling, it’s a little too obscure for those who don’t follow iSteve.

  128. Dahlia says:
    @Sam
    @Steve Sailer

    Only recently did I understand that one of your best promotional tools was the comment sections where you could link to your work. Why aren't you a commenter on this article considering how big the venue is and that the theme is strategical rather than ideological per se?

    It is a shame that Sailer isn't interviewed more in contrast to Spencer or Taylor since he always comes across as more sensible to outsiders. Maybe it would be possible to set up a Reddit AMA on one of the big threads sold as "ask the intellectual godfather of race realists anything". Seems like another good promotional avenue.

    I’m wondering what reach Spencer actually has given how much press he receives.

    Lawrence Auster laid into his site when it first came out, and it seemed to me that it would only have very narrow niche appeal. In short, I suspect that most of Spencer’s readers read Steve, but not vice versa. But I haven’t checked out the site since its debut and maybe totally wrong about all of this.

    Jared Taylor and American Renaissance is another story, predating Steve’s internet adventures.

    Steve Sailer is the central figure of the Alt-Right. He organized it, gave it its character, and remains its central voice with his originality, creativity, and intelligence. I’m not sure why the media is focusing on people who exist alongside Steve (Brimelow, Taylor), but especially the focus on the remote outer reaches of Steve’s influence confounds me: twitter trolls, 4chan, angry manosphere types like Forney, etc.

    It’s probably for the best, haha, but most of the writing on the alt-Right is boring. Until I see a focus on Steve Sailer, with mentions of Gregory Cochran, Ron Unz, and, Lord have mercy, “Agnostic”, I’m not interested, lol!

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    The TRS/pol/4chan kids are not peripheral to the alt-right. They do seem to have burst out of nowhere but they play a huge role as of right now. They're the ones behind the "nazi frogs", the ((( parentheses))) and the realization that mocking the enemy is very, very important and effective. The TRS/pol crowd is not the whole alt-right but they can't credibly be dismissed, imho.
    , @Ivy
    Read the Joel Stein trolls piece in Time to see how the MSM is seeing the Overton Window being nudged. The article omits quite a lot of relevant references but that is to be expected. A few years ago, such an article wouldn't have been published without a heavier focus on a parade of horribles, so that is some progress.
  129. @Anonymous
    Steve's central thesis, that massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the west will be *the only* real political issue of the 21st century - forget islamism or the dominance of China and the east - is essentially correct, and will be seen as such by historians of future ages.
    Immigrationism - as pursued by western elitists - really is the equivalent of the pernicious spread of mass ideologies, that is communism and fascism, were to the history of the 20th century. The analogy doesn't end there. Immigrationism, fascism, communism - all by their very nature are cult-like in belief. All are absolutely intolerant. All are essentially fanatical. All are characterized by 'will-to-power' and the massive use of state oppression to implement and crush dissent.All are, in a word, totalitarian.

    In 2005, when Muslims were attracting attention for rioting in Paris and intellectuals were busily excusing them, French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut got a lot of heat for observing that “anti-racism” will be in the 21st century what communism was in the 20th century–a source of violence and war. Sadly, he buckled under the pressure.

    Here are his “problematic” comments:

    In France, they would like very much to reduce these riots to their social dimension, to see them as a revolt of youths from the suburbs against their situation, against the discrimination they suffer from, against the unemployment. The problem is that most of these youths are blacks or Arabs, with a Muslim identity. Look, in France there are also other immigrants whose situation is difficult – Chinese, Vietnamese, Portuguese – and they’re not taking part in the riots. Therefore, it is clear that this is a revolt with an ethno-religious character. These people were treated like rebels, like revolutionaries. This is the worst thing that could happen to my country. Why? Because the only way to overcome it is to make them feel ashamed. Shame is the starting point of ethics. But instead of making them feel ashamed, we gave them legitimacy. They’re `interesting.’ They’re `the wretched of the earth.’ “Imagine for a moment that they were whites, like in Rostock in Germany. Right away, everyone would have said: `Fascism won’t be tolerated.’ When an Arab torches a school, it’s rebellion. When a white guy does it, it’s fascism. I’m `color blind.’ Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable.

    Moreover, there’s a contradiction here. Because if these suburbs were truly in a state of total neglect, there wouldn’t be any gymnasiums to torch, there wouldn’t be schools and buses. If there are gymnasiums and schools and buses, it’s because someone made an effort. Maybe not enough of one, but an effort.” I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse: the separation fence, `Zionism is racism.’ This is really a bigger problem: We’re living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    We’re living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development
     
    This is exactly why Khan was selected as a DNC speaker. Maybe 90+% of American Muslims view the US as a big cash register but here were a father and son who took the US Constitution seriously and were willing to die for it. In the Democrat's false narrative, if you can find even 1 Muslim who believes in American nationalism (even his own distorted version of what it means) then he symbolically stands for and negates the narrative of all the millions of Muslims who clearly don't give a damn, who are indifferent at best and at worst actively seeking our destruction.

    Then when Trump (in his admittedly awkward way) tried to point this out, HE was attacked for being mean to Gold Star mothers, etc.

    Modern leftists are very skilled at manipulating popular images until their fictional version becomes the accepted narrative - more real than reality. The image of gay men is that of a married couple and not that of gay males who have hundreds of anonymous partners. The image of blacks is of some Dr. Huxtable type exemplar and not a ghetto thug. The image of Hispanics is of some striver college student and not a rapist. The image of white cops is that of people who shoot blacks for no reason. The image of white frat boys is that of racists and rapists. These propaganda images get pounded into us relentlessly. And not in crude Soviet propaganda fashion, but using the most subtle techniques known to Hollywood and marketing science. Every once in a while (well actually most of the time), the poster boy turns out not to be as advertised - Trayvon is not really an angelic 12 year old boy, Haven Monahan is a catfishing avatar and not even human, but this doesn't stop them from trying again. The Jackie story was false try #2 at the white boy rapist narrative after Duke lacrosse but if at first you don't succeed....

    , @candid_observer
    Finkielkraut's observations were exactly on target.

    I think that what we are seeing in the identity politics movement is the rise to power and natural unfolding of a secular faith. Thoughts that were permissible only a decade or so ago are now held to be moral abominations. There's a transition here to far more severe standards of acceptable behavior and far harsher punishments.

    Many of these changes really are inevitable, I think, given the forces involved. That secular faith, by its own internal logic, and imperviousness to countervailing fact, has to move over time to more oppressive manifestations. It is a faith because it is based on dogma; it must be oppressive because that dogma runs up against contrary fact regularly.

    Steve asks whether Hillary might herself have a Sister Souljah moment with regard to BLM. I just don't see how that is any longer possible. The faith and the faithful have moved well past the point where such a thing might be acceptable, even for critical political purposes.

    In Bill Clinton's time, the left may have been composed of a Coalition of the Fringes, but it was the leftist politicians who were in control, and could adjudicate between their interests in the service of the larger coalition. That day is long past. Today, it is the fringe groups themselves who hold the whip hand. Politicians must answer to their demands. It doesn't matter if those demands are inconsistent with each other, because logic is not a constraint.

    Of course, in the end this must all come to tears. But the ability of the elites have demonstrated to engage in mindless hysteria over these issues, and find ways to avoid the most obvious contradicting facts, has been remarkable. No doubt a good portion of this mindlessness has been made worse by the very Affirmative Action for which they advocate: anywhere and everywhere in elite settings, one finds representatives of the victim classes; those representatives both have every venal interest in promoting their victimhood, and, on average, limited ability to see the illogicality of their philosophy. How might the more rational components of the elite be able in the future to resist the demands of the most fanatic and irrational parties they have admitted into their midst, and whose voices they have said we must all listen to?

    I see this secular faith as getting worse before it gets better.

    But how much worse?

    , @ogunsiron
    There are french nationalists who don't have much patience for Finkielkraut because it's not so long ago that he was a typical rootless cosmopolitan (not too comfortable with those french who have deep roots in France).
  130. @Boomstick
    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.

    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Opposing tyranny in your own country, sure. Opposing supposed tyranny in other countries, unless those countries are plausible and direct threats to your own (as the Soviet Union arguably was for Brits and Yanks in the mid- and late C20th), for ideological or ulterior reasons is precisely the neocon/”humanitarian interventionist” poison that has made US foreign policy so catastrophically destructive in the past two decades.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.

    It’s theoretically possible that her evident hatred of Russia and of Putin’s resistance to the US sphere globalism and liberalism that she has been a high profile advocate of throughout her journalistic life (working for globalist publications such as the Economist) would have faded away after the end of the Soviet Union, without her marital and new national loyalties to keep them alive. But not very plausible, imo. It’s far more straightforward just to recognise that those with her US-uber-alles globalist and liberal political opinions generally hate Russia and Putin, and do so precisely because the latter get in their way and represent (and worse, do so effectively) everything they hate.

  131. @Randal
    As I wrote: "consequent" hatred of Putin. The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.

    The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.

    Just their personal interests. Their ideological and political interests of Anne Applebaum and her husband, Radoslaw “Radek” Sikorski, the former Polish foreign minister and speaker of the parliament, are a consequence of their personal interests. This is true of a broad subset of the elites these days. The Clintons, of course, are perhaps the best and most visible example in our times.

    • Replies: @Randal
    No way of knowing that for sure. Motivations are always a matter of inference, of course, and when people build careers based upon ideological positions, how can we know to what extent the latter are servant to the former?
    , @Jack D
    There is a name for people whose political and ideological positions are at odds with their true (not stated) personal and financial interests - deluded fools and patsies. Why would anyone with half a brain of any ideological stripe hold positions that are against their true self interest?

    The ancient Jewish ethicist Hillel said: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? "

    But then he added, "But if I am only for myself, who am I?"

    This is what distinguishes the truly ethical human from monsters such as the Clintons - everyone who is not a fool looks to advance his own self-interest, but the psychopath cares nothing for who he must destroy to reach his goals.
  132. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
  133. @epebble
    I think all these encomiums for Trump are exaggerated. Pat Buchanan did an excellent job in 1992 communicating these ideas but was ignored because he was not flashy. But see these

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5_1ps5CAc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICypNXHKbg

    and tell if Trump can hold a candle to Buchanan.

    And see how much more coherent even Ross Perot was on trade in 1992

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

    With so much good material, Trump is a Jackass to lose this extremely easily winnable election by running his mouth where it need not be.

    I’m baffled. Trump is a jackass, but the long line of men who failed to advance the agenda Trump is advancing are great. I vastly prefer Buchanan to Trump, but Buchanan lost repeatedly. He is not as good a politician as Trump. That’s certainly a negative commentary on democracy and on contemporary America, but it is what it is.

    I was listening to NPR this morning as two political consultant goons (the guy who guided Clinton to defeat in 2008 and the guy who guided Mittens to defeat in 2012), opined on what Trump needs to do to win. They both described Trump as a poor candidate who is running a poor campaign. It’s as if Trump effortlessly crushing the entire GOP field over the vigorous objections of the GOPe and the media simply didn’t happen in their world.

    Props for posting Buchanan’s speech. That is absolute gold.

  134. @PiltdownMan

    The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.
     
    Just their personal interests. Their ideological and political interests of Anne Applebaum and her husband, Radoslaw "Radek" Sikorski, the former Polish foreign minister and speaker of the parliament, are a consequence of their personal interests. This is true of a broad subset of the elites these days. The Clintons, of course, are perhaps the best and most visible example in our times.

    No way of knowing that for sure. Motivations are always a matter of inference, of course, and when people build careers based upon ideological positions, how can we know to what extent the latter are servant to the former?

  135. @LL
    ://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.d8af4c2be7b0

    Anne Applebaum's latest salvo - Trump is literally a vulgar Russian oligarch

    Anne Applebaum calling someone vulgar. LOL.

  136. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "A year and a half ago, Trump stumbled upon the Politics of the Future."

    Now this is one of Steve's best quotes of the decade. It aptly sums up what is coming as well as the fact that it occurred in the past (relatively speaking, in 2015) and that it was grasped by the most unlikeliest of people.

    The question becomes, was the stumble by Trump a conscious one or was it in fact unconscious? In other words could he have instinctively grasped what's coming and actually as time wore on (in 2015) consciously became aware of the ramifications of what he stumbled upon? As in, 'Omg, immigration, borders, America First, etc. this is very very important to America. Good thing I figured it out before everyone else, 'cause this isn't going away and this issue's only going to get bigger and bigger as time goes on'. I mean, Trump had to have a reason or two for latching onto immigration in particular. And, since that day, June 16, 2015, Trump has completely driven the news cycle. That's incredible that any one person could entirely dominate every single political, national, even cultural news cycle for over 14 consecutive months. For better or worse, the issues that Trump stumbled upon has completely driven the election since last June.

    And that is a possibility, namely, that Trump became fully conscious of what he had stumbled upon as well as the long term ramifications of the nation (e.g. bringing the immigration question into the foreground). Especially if we are to believe that he did in fact read, skim through, etc. Ann Coulter's 2015 book a mere two weeks before his official announcement for the GOP nomination.

    Hi, Ann!

    For several years Trump had a staffer listen to talk-radio callers and report back. Market research. He knew what people were concerned about.

    • Replies: @epebble
    This is the supposed genesis of Trump campaign.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/present-at-the-creation/article/2001406
  137. @Anonymous
    Steve's central thesis, that massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the west will be *the only* real political issue of the 21st century - forget islamism or the dominance of China and the east - is essentially correct, and will be seen as such by historians of future ages.
    Immigrationism - as pursued by western elitists - really is the equivalent of the pernicious spread of mass ideologies, that is communism and fascism, were to the history of the 20th century. The analogy doesn't end there. Immigrationism, fascism, communism - all by their very nature are cult-like in belief. All are absolutely intolerant. All are essentially fanatical. All are characterized by 'will-to-power' and the massive use of state oppression to implement and crush dissent.All are, in a word, totalitarian.

    Completely agree with what you have stated. What the western elites can’t control is: fear….however, they may be planning to figure out how to medicate us all through food or water supply! Haha!

    I think fear or just plain negativity towards immigrants has larger components.

    1. the western world is unable to create decent paying jobs for its own citizens, so how will they justify taxing their citizens more to pay for the welfare benefits of a large, dependent, migrant class, a newly created underclass? Also, in the Nordic countries and N.Europe, benefits are already severely cut for the elderly and disabled – many of these facts are ignored by the “gutless” and biased US press. NPR just recently cut it’s comments section since most posters chimed in to call out their yuge bias toward anything remotely conservative, or what doesn’t fit “the narrative.” I feel that the USA is marching toward a fascist/totalitarian state like the ole’ USSR with SJWs carrying whips like Stalin did! 🙂

    2. Global climate change: we are starting to hear that we must accommodate people escaping dry, barren lands in MENA. Yet China is pushing into Africa like gangbusters? China’s own air and polluted land is causing cancer and other misery & death. But, what have the Chinese discovered in Africa that seems to be positive for them?

    3. Population explosion outside of western world: How are we ever going to feed these people?
    Population explosion is also: destroying the world’s fish supplies (lobsters are leaving Connecticut and Massachusetts just like these state’s retirees!) by over fishing- particularly by Asian fishermen; pollution in Indian Ocean and China seas are creating a toxic fish supply/genetically deformed fish ( don’t eat any shrimp from Asia, seriously; reefs are dying; land animals in Africa are being poached to extinction; toxic Blue Algae is now spreading its death to more lakes and oceans, including in the USA; And, lastly, virgin forest (cut down) or lush farmlands are covered with solar panels now, and any company will frack in your backyard if you let them.

    4. About 12 years ago I read numerous articles (Time/NYT mag/other mags) about how it was close to $900,000 to raise a child in the USA – probably over a mil now! And, this was primarily: feeding, clothing, housing and educating your child. How can an average parent of average means in this country pay for the children of other people who will wind up needing public assistance since there is a dearth of jobs that one can raise a family on, worldwide?

    5. Everyone secretly frets about the population explosion in the world. On the one hand there is so much psychobabble, SJW endeavors to educate us on how immigration and diversity is so awesome; but, this is diametrically opposed to sustainability.

    I do believe that Pentti Linkola (the weird sage of doomsday thinking in Finland) is correct: there will be growing tension of control over dwindling resources, eroding land, polluted water, loss of habitat, death of wildlife, human diseases spiraling out of control, political corruption, riots. Even the global elite will not be able to protect their children from eminent destruction since someone has to grow the food and supply the clean water…but there will be too many people to feed…and too much desperation. Linkola was a “prepper” before anyone knew the term. He lives in isolation in Finland, deep in the woods.

    The populations of European countries going down is fine. Most of them grew after WW2…so going on to “sustainable levels” is rational. Why import people when there are no jobs? And, even SV admits that nothing awesome has been developed that could employ massive amounts of middle income people again, like in the 50’s & 60’s. Population should be vigorously controlled; the sooner the better while there is still time. Steve’s graph on population in Africa is frightening.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Agree except for two things.

    First, the notion that Europeans not having children is alright. It's suicide for them and their nations, depriving us of the voters, teachers, innovators, cultural expounders, and if need be FIGHTERS, that we will need to survive at all in the near future.

    Second, that estimate of the cost of raising kids was overblown then and probably even now, years later. One of the largest components of that inflated estimate, if not the largest, is university education. Parents and the kids themselves unnecessarily and foolishly attend exorbitant private universities or out-of-state government universities.

    Attending in-state university slashes that supposedly unavoidable cost of raising children. So does the college student living at home for a year or two if at all possible. So does attending a very inexpensive community college for at least the first two years, which is a perfectly suitable option for many, perhaps most people.

    Raising kids is a big financial sacrifice, to be sure, and government taxes and policies surely make it much harder than it needs to be. But let's stop exaggerating which expenses of childrearing are truly "necessary."
    , @dr kill
    Oh No, does this mean that Chelsea's kids won't be able to afford the type of reconstructive surgery that made her semi-attractive? Oh the humanity.
  138. @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    No country can function in that condition.

    Is there a historical example of the dysfunction caused by having an older population?

    If life expectancy trends are anything to go by, eventually one-third of the entire world’s population will be over 65. Is living longer and having less over-population a bad thing? Is Earth eventually going to have to resort to importing Martian immigrants?

  139. OT – Jerusalem Post on Soros

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Our-World-Soross-campaign-of-global-chaos-464770

    “From the US to Europe to Israel, Soros has implemented a worldwide push to use immigration to undermine the national identity and demographic composition of Western democracies. The leaked emails show that his groups have interfered in European elections to get politicians elected who support open border policies for immigrants from the Arab world and to financially and otherwise support journalists who report sympathetically on immigrants.

    Soros’s groups are on the ground enabling illegal immigrants to enter the US and Europe. They have sought to influence US Supreme Court rulings on illegal immigration from Mexico. They have worked with Muslim and other groups to demonize Americans and Europeans who oppose open borders.

    In Israel as well, Soros opposes government efforts to end the flow of illegal immigration from Africa through the border with Egypt.

    The notion at the heart of the push for the legalization of unfettered immigration is that states should not be able to protect their national identities.

    If it is racist for Greeks to protect their national identity by seeking to block the entrance of millions of Syrians to their territory, then it is racist for Greece – or France, Germany, Hungary, Sweden the US or Poland – to exist.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Most of the time, when people say that Jews want to do away with nationalism in order to prevent another Holocaust, they are exaggerating, but I think in Soros's case, this may literally be true.

    Soros BTW is no hypocrite - he wants to get rid of Jewish nationalism just as much as any other kind.

    Soros grew up as an Esperantist - Esperanto was supposed to be a universal language not associated with any nation or race. In Soros's dream future, there are no longer any national boundaries . We are all citizens of planet earth and we all speak Esperanto with each other.
  140. @Harry Baldwin
    In 2005, when Muslims were attracting attention for rioting in Paris and intellectuals were busily excusing them, French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut got a lot of heat for observing that "anti-racism" will be in the 21st century what communism was in the 20th century--a source of violence and war. Sadly, he buckled under the pressure.

    Here are his "problematic" comments:


    In France, they would like very much to reduce these riots to their social dimension, to see them as a revolt of youths from the suburbs against their situation, against the discrimination they suffer from, against the unemployment. The problem is that most of these youths are blacks or Arabs, with a Muslim identity. Look, in France there are also other immigrants whose situation is difficult - Chinese, Vietnamese, Portuguese - and they're not taking part in the riots. Therefore, it is clear that this is a revolt with an ethno-religious character. These people were treated like rebels, like revolutionaries. This is the worst thing that could happen to my country. Why? Because the only way to overcome it is to make them feel ashamed. Shame is the starting point of ethics. But instead of making them feel ashamed, we gave them legitimacy. They're `interesting.' They're `the wretched of the earth.' "Imagine for a moment that they were whites, like in Rostock in Germany. Right away, everyone would have said: `Fascism won't be tolerated.' When an Arab torches a school, it's rebellion. When a white guy does it, it's fascism. I'm `color blind.' Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable.

    Moreover, there's a contradiction here. Because if these suburbs were truly in a state of total neglect, there wouldn't be any gymnasiums to torch, there wouldn't be schools and buses. If there are gymnasiums and schools and buses, it's because someone made an effort. Maybe not enough of one, but an effort." I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse: the separation fence, `Zionism is racism.' This is really a bigger problem: We're living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development.
     

    We’re living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development

    This is exactly why Khan was selected as a DNC speaker. Maybe 90+% of American Muslims view the US as a big cash register but here were a father and son who took the US Constitution seriously and were willing to die for it. In the Democrat’s false narrative, if you can find even 1 Muslim who believes in American nationalism (even his own distorted version of what it means) then he symbolically stands for and negates the narrative of all the millions of Muslims who clearly don’t give a damn, who are indifferent at best and at worst actively seeking our destruction.

    Then when Trump (in his admittedly awkward way) tried to point this out, HE was attacked for being mean to Gold Star mothers, etc.

    Modern leftists are very skilled at manipulating popular images until their fictional version becomes the accepted narrative – more real than reality. The image of gay men is that of a married couple and not that of gay males who have hundreds of anonymous partners. The image of blacks is of some Dr. Huxtable type exemplar and not a ghetto thug. The image of Hispanics is of some striver college student and not a rapist. The image of white cops is that of people who shoot blacks for no reason. The image of white frat boys is that of racists and rapists. These propaganda images get pounded into us relentlessly. And not in crude Soviet propaganda fashion, but using the most subtle techniques known to Hollywood and marketing science. Every once in a while (well actually most of the time), the poster boy turns out not to be as advertised – Trayvon is not really an angelic 12 year old boy, Haven Monahan is a catfishing avatar and not even human, but this doesn’t stop them from trying again. The Jackie story was false try #2 at the white boy rapist narrative after Duke lacrosse but if at first you don’t succeed….

    • Agree: Forbes
  141. @Kudzu Bob
    Bill Clinton removed fewer than a million illegals. You're confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted "Cruisin' for a Losin'" did.

    I used the word “removed”, not “deported”. Ron might try finding out how to remove some of these new trolls that keep popping up.

  142. Clinton plans Thursday address in Nevada on Trump and the ‘alt-right’

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Thursday plans to deliver a speech on the connection between Republican Donald Trump’s campaign and the “disturbing ‘alt-right’ political philosophy,” a Clinton aide said.

    The address, planned for Reno, Nev., follows a report this past weekend in The Washington Post that the so-called alt-right has been heartened by Trump’s candidacy, seeing recent moves by the candidate as consistent with the alt-right’s goal of maximizing the white vote in November.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    ANN COULTER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HAVE TRUMP DECLARE HIMSELF AN 'ALT-CENTER' NATIONALIST!
  143. @Kudzu Bob
    Bill Clinton deported fewer than a million illegals. You're confusing deportations with returns, the same as Ted "Cruisin' for a Losin'" did. It took me about thirty seconds of Googling to find the obvious flaw in your post, dummy.

    I used the word “removed”, not “deported”. Ron might try finding out how to remove some of these new trolls that keep popping up.

  144. @MEH 0910
    Clinton plans Thursday address in Nevada on Trump and the ‘alt-right’

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Thursday plans to deliver a speech on the connection between Republican Donald Trump’s campaign and the “disturbing ‘alt-right’ political philosophy,” a Clinton aide said.

    The address, planned for Reno, Nev., follows a report this past weekend in The Washington Post that the so-called alt-right has been heartened by Trump’s candidacy, seeing recent moves by the candidate as consistent with the alt-right’s goal of maximizing the white vote in November.
     

    ANN COULTER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HAVE TRUMP DECLARE HIMSELF AN ‘ALT-CENTER’ NATIONALIST!

  145. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - Jerusalem Post on Soros

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Our-World-Soross-campaign-of-global-chaos-464770

    "From the US to Europe to Israel, Soros has implemented a worldwide push to use immigration to undermine the national identity and demographic composition of Western democracies. The leaked emails show that his groups have interfered in European elections to get politicians elected who support open border policies for immigrants from the Arab world and to financially and otherwise support journalists who report sympathetically on immigrants.

    Soros’s groups are on the ground enabling illegal immigrants to enter the US and Europe. They have sought to influence US Supreme Court rulings on illegal immigration from Mexico. They have worked with Muslim and other groups to demonize Americans and Europeans who oppose open borders.

    In Israel as well, Soros opposes government efforts to end the flow of illegal immigration from Africa through the border with Egypt.

    The notion at the heart of the push for the legalization of unfettered immigration is that states should not be able to protect their national identities.

    If it is racist for Greeks to protect their national identity by seeking to block the entrance of millions of Syrians to their territory, then it is racist for Greece – or France, Germany, Hungary, Sweden the US or Poland – to exist."
     

    Most of the time, when people say that Jews want to do away with nationalism in order to prevent another Holocaust, they are exaggerating, but I think in Soros’s case, this may literally be true.

    Soros BTW is no hypocrite – he wants to get rid of Jewish nationalism just as much as any other kind.

    Soros grew up as an Esperantist – Esperanto was supposed to be a universal language not associated with any nation or race. In Soros’s dream future, there are no longer any national boundaries . We are all citizens of planet earth and we all speak Esperanto with each other.

  146. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't agree. The article was a plus for our side. The views of the alt-right are generally not aired in the MSM, and in this article they were. Many may find them frightening, but some will think, "I've never heard this before, but oddly enough it makes more sense to me than what I've been reading on the editorial page. Maybe I should look into it."

    This is exactly how I felt when I stumbled into the Steveosphere. I have introduced several people (all, former Democrats), who are grateful to have found this forum. And, relieved they are not losing their mind because of the issues the global elites, MSM and the SJWs are pushing like drug cartels.

    I never, never in my lifetime, thought there could be a steady march towards fascism in this country – that was for all those other disorganized Banana Republics that we sneered at ;). These American and EU totalitarians; with all their zeal for censorship, threats that they will expose Trump supporters/official campaign personnel as racists/call people racists or fine them for “race talk,” like in Sweden; all their dumb-ass trigger warnings and safe spaces are the true fascists, not Trump, for chrissake. Most of these SJWs, one day, will be childless, old, cat-ladies, who realize they don’t have enough money to retire, and will die alone in some shabby govt nursing home.

    I guess I am just so annoyed at everything these days because I am a descendant of entrepreneurs who created innovative private industry jobs for many. Note to the people who insist on voting for the ultimate grifter couple: Liberal/Progressive policies don’t work! Someone actually has to create/build something…you can’t keep taxing people to pay for everything if the population of poor people just gets larger.

  147. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    I think large parts of the alt-right don’t have anything to do with Steve or Razib, and I don’t consider Ron Unz to be alt-right. I doubt he considers himself to be either.

    Frankly, I think the bloom is off the alt-right.

    The peak was around the earlier days of TakiMag, before it became just clickbait whoring. Uber-nerds like Scott Locklin and Razib were writing for it then. Also, when Moldbug and Foseti were writing, and the whole scene was being supported on the fringes by random anti-establishment voices like Heartiste, Gary Taubes, even Admiral Cod–all new and inspiring at one time. Likewise, Derbyshire’s “We Are Doomed” was hung out there like a manifesto, or, perhaps better, a sign-post for searchers.

    Some have gone underground now. I hope that’s why Scott Locklin isn’t publishing much anymore. I enjoyed his pieces.

    Anyhow, the way the personalities and circumstances are on the alt-right, it was never going to be a sustained movement. Milo, McInnes, Breitbart, and Stormfront aren’t forging anything. If Trump wins, it’s going to be 4 years of circus show, but Trump doesn’t have enough ideological vision to intentionally undermine and dismantle both the bureaucracy and party establishments, which is what needs to be for lasting improvement.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe Trump doesn't, but maybe Miller does. I don't underestimate Trump's ability to read future Trends and create his own future.
    , @Dahlia
    Especially agree with your last paragraph, but also can't help but think we're about to "go live".

    I remember when the twitter trolls, the alt-Reich, basically the crazy as well as fun part "went live" in the Republican primary a year ago. Obviously, they didn't torpedo the Trump campaign and the hostile take over by the populist/alt-whatever was successful.

    I've got this sense that this movement will be explored further, and much more in depth, past the silly and outrageous, to the intellectual core and Steve, Ron, et al. need to be ready. Of course, it's hilarious that so many journalists will have a leg up being secret readers and all, lol!
    , @ogunsiron
    Scott Locklin
    ----
    It's in a Scott Locklin comment at Taki that I first heard about the pol/4chan kids. That could have been about 4 years ago. I didn't investigate much. Then I heard again about 4chan whent he gamergate controversy got going and that eventually led me to the TRS world. I'm kind of hooked ont he TRS stuff.
  148. @Boomstick
    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.

    If only some way could be found for Europe and Russia to ally and Poland (trapped between) would be secure?

    Cue neo-con whining. . .

    • Replies: @Jack D
    A turkey locked in a cage and awaiting slaughter is "secure". Given the lessons of history, every time Europe and Russia have allied, Poland was invited to dinner. As the dinner entree, not as a guest.

    It is said that nations don't have friends, only interests. While the interests of Russia and the West may line up temporarily now and then the way lemons line up on a slot machine, most of the time they don't. Russia is where the East begins (Putin is a classic Oriental despot despite the democratic trappings). Kipling said that never the twain shall meet but in fact the Polish border is the line where East meets West and it's rarely pretty. Poland is naturally drawn to the West (Krakow looks like a Tuscan city transported north) and tells the boy next door, Russia, I'm just not that into you. But Russia is like the rejected boyfriend who keeps stalking his ex and won't take no for an answer. He says, we have a lot in common but you want to go out with that Italian guy instead - I don't get it.

  149. @PiltdownMan

    The likes of Applebaum hate Putin not for personal reasons, but because he and his policies have been so diametrically opposed to their own personal, ideological and political interests.
     
    Just their personal interests. Their ideological and political interests of Anne Applebaum and her husband, Radoslaw "Radek" Sikorski, the former Polish foreign minister and speaker of the parliament, are a consequence of their personal interests. This is true of a broad subset of the elites these days. The Clintons, of course, are perhaps the best and most visible example in our times.

    There is a name for people whose political and ideological positions are at odds with their true (not stated) personal and financial interests – deluded fools and patsies. Why would anyone with half a brain of any ideological stripe hold positions that are against their true self interest?

    The ancient Jewish ethicist Hillel said: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? ”

    But then he added, “But if I am only for myself, who am I?”

    This is what distinguishes the truly ethical human from monsters such as the Clintons – everyone who is not a fool looks to advance his own self-interest, but the psychopath cares nothing for who he must destroy to reach his goals.

  150. @Steve Sailer
    "Merkel's Boner" sounds obscene, but "Merkle's Boner" was once famous to baseball fans. When I was nine, I read a lot of old baseball books that my mother brought home for me from the thrift shop.

    I read a lot of old baseball books

    I would always get Merkle’s boner mixed up with Wambsganss’s triple play.

    Department of funny names dept.

  151. @Lurker
    If only some way could be found for Europe and Russia to ally and Poland (trapped between) would be secure?

    Cue neo-con whining. . .

    A turkey locked in a cage and awaiting slaughter is “secure”. Given the lessons of history, every time Europe and Russia have allied, Poland was invited to dinner. As the dinner entree, not as a guest.

    It is said that nations don’t have friends, only interests. While the interests of Russia and the West may line up temporarily now and then the way lemons line up on a slot machine, most of the time they don’t. Russia is where the East begins (Putin is a classic Oriental despot despite the democratic trappings). Kipling said that never the twain shall meet but in fact the Polish border is the line where East meets West and it’s rarely pretty. Poland is naturally drawn to the West (Krakow looks like a Tuscan city transported north) and tells the boy next door, Russia, I’m just not that into you. But Russia is like the rejected boyfriend who keeps stalking his ex and won’t take no for an answer. He says, we have a lot in common but you want to go out with that Italian guy instead – I don’t get it.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    You should win the thread for this one. Hysterical. And seems pretty accurate, too. I have a friend married to a polish woman and living in Kraków and visited them, and will be forwarding your comment to him right now.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Russians are the scariest of all immigrants, because they look and talk white. The rest of the lot are color-coded, so you can steer clear of them.
  152. @Ttjy
    There are so many foreigners in this country it is amazing. Those 90 day visa workers aren't even counted as legal or illegal immigrants either.

    I wonder how many illegal Polish and Russians there are too.

    Is there 1 donut shop or gas station in this country that isn't owned by an Asian? Most in my area are Indian or Pakistani. I think that is because Reagan singed a bill to give Asians special loans for small businesses.

    Go to flyover country to see some gas stations owned and operated by non-immigrants. The future is distributed unevenly.

  153. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't agree. The article was a plus for our side. The views of the alt-right are generally not aired in the MSM, and in this article they were. Many may find them frightening, but some will think, "I've never heard this before, but oddly enough it makes more sense to me than what I've been reading on the editorial page. Maybe I should look into it."

    This is basically how I felt, although it has crossed my mind that by shining a light on Steve et al during this election season, the media can tie them to Trump in people’s minds. A win for Hillary could be used to smear the Sailer Strategy with the taint of failure and make HBD a byword for angry wall-builders.

    As far as bringing more people into the fold, what the alt-right needs is its version of the Gideon’s. The Republican Hill staffer sitting in a cheap motel contemplating his mortality takes “We Are Doomed” out of the bedside table, opens it, and suddenly has his “come to Steve” moment. Or something like that more realistic…

  154. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Bill Clinton removed twelve million illegal immigrants from the United States. If Trump indulges in flip-flopping on an issue so relevant to the wage and employment levels of low-skilled, working-class Americans, the resulting backlash will make Romney's baptism by fire in the primaries look like Martha's Vineyard.

    Exactly right, eggheads. I’d add that Trump should also focus on LEGAL immigration, which must be substantially reduced and modified. Higher-income, more-educated Americans are being badly hurt by the continuing influx of foreign IT professionals, on balance, losing leverage with employers due to the increase in supply just like lower-wage, less educated Americans.

    Almost all of us are being screwed by mass third world immigration, not just lower-wage or less-educated Americans.

  155. @LL
    ://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-secret-to-trump-hes-really-a-russian-oligarch/2016/08/19/bc7226a2-6623-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.d8af4c2be7b0

    Anne Applebaum's latest salvo - Trump is literally a vulgar Russian oligarch

    Amidst so many things that Annie Appletree does not understand, she apparently does not know the difference between “literally” and “figuratively” or whatever she actually meant to say.

    Trump “literally” is an American, not a Russian, by genetic family background or by nationality or citizenship.

    Appletree “literally” is a bigot and a fool.

  156. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    The point being that Trump can use this as a cudgel in the debates, both to make his own deportation propositions seem acceptable and to reduce Hispanic turnout for Clinton.

    Hadn’t thought of that tactical angle. Brilliant. Trump should indeed emphasize that Bill Clinton deported so many illegal aliens, over and over and over again, and ask Hillary to explain why that was a bad thing.

  157. @Harry Baldwin
    John Derbyshire used to say that the immigration issue was a $100 bill lying on the sidewalk for anyone to pick up. The problem was that any candidate who might have thought of picking it up was offered $1,000 not to.

    God I wish Derb had been born here and could run for Prez. Then again, he wouldn’t do it anyway, and who could blame him.

  158. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    Razib isn’t significant or influential to anywhere near the degree that many, many other writers are from Unz, Vdare, The Am Con, and elsewhere. And he strikes me as too thin-skinned, immature, and obnoxious to commenters to be an effective aid to us.

  159. @Bugg
    Would take about a week of serious workplace enforcement before illegals would be practically unemployable. Putting a few employers in jail for even 1 night will focus things dramatically. There will be some economic adjustments. But nobody is staying if they cannot find work.

    Totally agree with you About the need for workplace enforcement and the immediate salutary effect it would have. Make it MONTHS in prison for first offense and MANY YEARS for second offense, and really scare these disloyal sellout employers into hiring US citizens and legal permanent residents instead of illegal aliens.

    But it’s too optimistic that think that a big majority of, say, illegal Mexicans will leave if legal work is cut off by strong workplace enforcement. I’m afraid to find out how many would stay and simply rely on property crime, violent crime, and off-the-books work instead. But let’s enforce and find out. We can’t go on like we are now.

  160. @whorefinder
    Dave Wiegel is a self-proclaimed "libertarian" who voted for Barack Obama.

    Oh yeah, he's also a Journo-list member. He regularly coordinates with other Lefties in the media to present a unified message designed to push a Left-Wing agenda, and then, when caught red-handed, tried to deny he was part of such propaganda-disguised-as-news.

    Absolutely zero credibility. Why did you talk to him?

    Yeah, that brand of “libertarianism” isn’t recognizable as libertarian to me at all. Yet another reason why I cancelled my subscription to Reason magazine (again).

  161. @SFG
    Yeah, I think it's time for at least some people to start thinking what to do in the event of a Hillary victory. It's not my role to lead the movement, but some thoughts you can take or leave:

    -You have to think long and hard about whether you want to try to secede and establish a pure Euro homeland or find a way to pull enough Hispanics and Asians into a coalition.

    -Similarly, you can try to play down explicit racial rhetoric to achieve goals you want such as limitation of immigration, or try to advance white identity politics as a legitimate thing-in-itself. Again, pluses and minuses to each.

    -You might want to be careful about how you define 'welfare benefits'--everyone's really fond of Social Security and Medicare, and Trump saying he was going to leave those alone was part of what made him attractive to downscale whites to begin with.

    Coalition with Asians. Massive nonstop advertising, in English, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Tagalog and Visayan (the two main Filipino languages), about how the democrats discriminate against Asians in favor of less qualified, less educated applicants for university admissions, jobs, and contracting through “affirmative action.”

    Force the dems to give up the rapidly growing Asian bloc in order to retain their much larger and more reliable (and more hateful) African base.

  162. @Harry Baldwin
    In 2005, when Muslims were attracting attention for rioting in Paris and intellectuals were busily excusing them, French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut got a lot of heat for observing that "anti-racism" will be in the 21st century what communism was in the 20th century--a source of violence and war. Sadly, he buckled under the pressure.

    Here are his "problematic" comments:


    In France, they would like very much to reduce these riots to their social dimension, to see them as a revolt of youths from the suburbs against their situation, against the discrimination they suffer from, against the unemployment. The problem is that most of these youths are blacks or Arabs, with a Muslim identity. Look, in France there are also other immigrants whose situation is difficult - Chinese, Vietnamese, Portuguese - and they're not taking part in the riots. Therefore, it is clear that this is a revolt with an ethno-religious character. These people were treated like rebels, like revolutionaries. This is the worst thing that could happen to my country. Why? Because the only way to overcome it is to make them feel ashamed. Shame is the starting point of ethics. But instead of making them feel ashamed, we gave them legitimacy. They're `interesting.' They're `the wretched of the earth.' "Imagine for a moment that they were whites, like in Rostock in Germany. Right away, everyone would have said: `Fascism won't be tolerated.' When an Arab torches a school, it's rebellion. When a white guy does it, it's fascism. I'm `color blind.' Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable.

    Moreover, there's a contradiction here. Because if these suburbs were truly in a state of total neglect, there wouldn't be any gymnasiums to torch, there wouldn't be schools and buses. If there are gymnasiums and schools and buses, it's because someone made an effort. Maybe not enough of one, but an effort." I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse: the separation fence, `Zionism is racism.' This is really a bigger problem: We're living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development.
     

    Finkielkraut’s observations were exactly on target.

    I think that what we are seeing in the identity politics movement is the rise to power and natural unfolding of a secular faith. Thoughts that were permissible only a decade or so ago are now held to be moral abominations. There’s a transition here to far more severe standards of acceptable behavior and far harsher punishments.

    Many of these changes really are inevitable, I think, given the forces involved. That secular faith, by its own internal logic, and imperviousness to countervailing fact, has to move over time to more oppressive manifestations. It is a faith because it is based on dogma; it must be oppressive because that dogma runs up against contrary fact regularly.

    Steve asks whether Hillary might herself have a Sister Souljah moment with regard to BLM. I just don’t see how that is any longer possible. The faith and the faithful have moved well past the point where such a thing might be acceptable, even for critical political purposes.

    In Bill Clinton’s time, the left may have been composed of a Coalition of the Fringes, but it was the leftist politicians who were in control, and could adjudicate between their interests in the service of the larger coalition. That day is long past. Today, it is the fringe groups themselves who hold the whip hand. Politicians must answer to their demands. It doesn’t matter if those demands are inconsistent with each other, because logic is not a constraint.

    Of course, in the end this must all come to tears. But the ability of the elites have demonstrated to engage in mindless hysteria over these issues, and find ways to avoid the most obvious contradicting facts, has been remarkable. No doubt a good portion of this mindlessness has been made worse by the very Affirmative Action for which they advocate: anywhere and everywhere in elite settings, one finds representatives of the victim classes; those representatives both have every venal interest in promoting their victimhood, and, on average, limited ability to see the illogicality of their philosophy. How might the more rational components of the elite be able in the future to resist the demands of the most fanatic and irrational parties they have admitted into their midst, and whose voices they have said we must all listen to?

    I see this secular faith as getting worse before it gets better.

    But how much worse?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Just to add a further obvious point, it's because Trump has presumed to question certain aspects of this secular faith that he has come under such relentless attack by all parties in the elite.

    It is in fact impossible for these critics to find any statements by Trump that can be depicted as, say, racist against blacks -- indeed he supports Affirmative Action. By any rational account, his statements against immigration are almost entirely focused on illegal immigrants on the one hand, and Muslim immigrants on the other hand -- and his concern is about those among them who are in fact, or will become, criminals.

    But those concerns, narrow as they are, has cast him in the role of Heretic among our elite, with all the moral panic a Heretic has always inspired among the devout.

    This is why they feel fully justified in abandoning all principle in going after him, as the recent article by Jim Rutenberg of the Times made shamelessly clear.

    How could any Believer fail to abandon all and come to the defense of The One True Faith, when it is set upon by the Devil Himself?
  163. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    The closet we inhabit is bigger and fuller than we can imagine.

    Unfortunately there still are not enough here to win elections no matter how loud our echo chamber reverberates.

    Not sure there’s any peaceful alternative except this: elect america-first people to whatever state governments we can and back them up with mass demonstrations and nonpayment of federal taxes as they simply refuse to obey unconstitutional federal “laws” (I.e. Most of them).

    First and foremost, have the state governor and law enforcement declare that illegal aliens will be located, tried under state law, and imprisoned for a very long time regardless what the fed gov says about it. Do it in Texas while demographics might still permit it, which is not much longer.

    Second, jury nullification of any federal prosecution of any American — in government or not — who does what is necessary to apprehend, detain, and turn over suspected illegal aliens to state authorities.

    Third, jury nullification of any federal prosecution of any American who “violates” statutes purporting to restrict our right to defend ourselves, our families, our homes, our businesses, and our communities against violent crime, property crime, and illegal aliens, whether the defense is carried out with firearms or otherwise,

  164. @utu
    "My personal theory is that the guy realized nobody was talking about immigration, knew he needed an edge because he had no background in the party, saw an opening, and took it."

    When Trump delivered his speech on June 16, 2015 immigration crisis in Europe was still 1-2 months away. People were talking about immigrants but mostly the ones from Libya via Italy. But Orban was planning his fence. Still the invasion from Turkey via Greece did not start yet but it was already planned. By whom? For these reasons I always believed that Trump had a very good intelligence source. I do not believe in accidents. Find out who planned the invasion and made it happen you will know who is really running Trump.

    The traction the immigration issue is getting in the US now is not because of Mexicans but because of Muslims Americans saw on TV marching towards Germany. Mexicans are familiar and not threatening. But Muslims are unfamiliar, abstract and thus can assume any form and shape in people's minds.

    We live in Los Angeles. Can’t agree at all that Mexicans as a group are not threatening.

    We have Mexican-American friends who are fully assimilated, fluent English speakers, patriotic and loyal to America rather than Mexico, and not in favor of open borders and the destruction of traditional European-America.

    But our experience suggests that these people do NOT substantially outnumber the Mexican-“Americans” who range from indifferent to hostile to traditional America, to white people, and to English as our sole common language.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Seconded.
  165. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Sometimes branding is everything, though. Don’t call it self-deporation. Call it “enabling their homecoming.”.

     

    'Global familial re-integration'. Who could be against that?

    ‘Global familial re-integration’

    is what the left wants to happen in the US.

  166. @Muse

    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English.
     
    You are not counting the illegal Polish skilled trade workers at every non-union construction site. The non-union contractors love polish electricians and carpenters because they don't need a license like the plumbers to do the work. The mexicans do much of the drywall, painting and landscaping.

    There are also a huge number Indian and Chinese and other ethnic restaurant workers on 90 day tourist visas. They bring their cousins to work for 90 days, then send them back and bring more relatives to do the next 90 day stint. I am surprised they aren't serving chai teas and mango lassis at all the Dunkin Donut shops in the loop for cryin' out loud.

    Great comment. Just this quibble: I highly doubt that it is legal to work as an electrician in the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois without a license. Lots of people probably do it, but it’s surely not legal.

  167. @Steve Sailer
    Somebody bugged the restaurant talk of Ms. Applebaum's husband, the former Polish foreign minister, which hurt her husband's career. I wouldn't be surprised if she blames Putin for it. I can't criticize her for being a loyal wife and hating her husband's enemies.

    Great that she’s a loyal wife. How about being a loyal freeking AMERICAN now?

  168. @Ttjy
    There are so many foreigners in this country it is amazing. Those 90 day visa workers aren't even counted as legal or illegal immigrants either.

    I wonder how many illegal Polish and Russians there are too.

    Is there 1 donut shop or gas station in this country that isn't owned by an Asian? Most in my area are Indian or Pakistani. I think that is because Reagan singed a bill to give Asians special loans for small businesses.

    As an aside, should single men really object to a flood of illegal alien WOMEN from Russia and Poland? 😉

    • Replies: @Ivy
    The San Bernardino hapless sidekick Enrique had a Russian 'wife' fling that didn't work out very well.
  169. @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    Completely inaccurate in light of current and rapidly emerging technology. Japan is using robotics and increased mechanization to do more and more things in society rather than importing non-Japanese people (let alone hostile and dangerous people like Muslims or Africans) to do them.

  170. @J
    Western type society is a population sinkhole. A third of Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. population is certain to be composed by over 65 pensioners in our lifetime. No country can function in that condition. The industry is claiming for manpower. Merkel could not refuse that unwashed horde of Syrian young immigrants. Syrians are not Africans, they are almost Turks of which Germany already has millions. The alternative would be that German womenfolk start having babies, but that no one knows how to achieve. Certainly not Merkel, who has no children of her own.

    P.S. But of course, German women, and European / european-American women having children would be far superior to robotics and automation.

  171. @Anonym
    One difference between then and now is because we are very close to losing forever the ability to control our destiny via the democratic process. Once we get to less than a practical 50% of white voters willing to vote for the one party, the only way to resist tyranny is via armed revolution. We are closer to that than when Buchanan ran. A lot of people are procrastinators, which kind of makes sense, because a lot of bad things that may be possible don't come to pass.

    http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/white_percentage_us.jpg

    Precisely correct, sir. European-Americans are often open to voting for either major party. Every other major demographic group in the USA is largely closed to debate, impervious to reasoned argument, and dead set on voting for the party of hating whites and getting free stuff.

  172. DWB says: • Website
    @Abe

    Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37155060

    It’s insane that these people have to be subjected to this from their government.
     
    I'm not mistaken, there has not been a single month this year when France has not been in a declared state of emergency. But WE are the radical weirdos for thinking there is something awful and unusual about that, let alone that something could be done about it...

    France has been under a state of emergency since November of 2015 (the murderous rampage). Prime Minster Manuel Valls has had it extended each time it was nearing its end since.

    We were living in France the past few years, and experienced the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Paris for a long time has had security measures in place that Americans would find odd – closed circuit cameras virtually everywhere, armed soldiers patrolling the trains, the removal of enclosed trash bins. It was not uncommon to see paramilitary police throughout the city. The current situation takes things to a new level.

    Worse still, Valls – following the attacks in Nice, declared that terrorism has been a “daily” part of French life for a long time, and that the French people will have to learn to live with terrorism.

    “On pourrait refuser de voir la réalité en face, oublier, passer à autre chose, mais je dois la vérité aux Français: le terrorisme fait partie de notre quotidien pour longtemps”.

    http://www.canalfrance.info/NICE-Manuel-Valls-La-France-va-devoir-vivre-avec-le-terrorisme_a7210.html

    It’s insane.

    • Replies: @BB753
    In other words, the French are stuck with millions of Muslim citizens.
    , @Ivy

    mais je dois la vérité aux Français
     
    but I owe the truth to the French people...

    Who in Washington DC believes, let alone says, that they owe the truth to the American people? Rare few, and they are all dead.
  173. @Bert
    A political party should exist to serve the interests of their voters. The GOP for the longest time has thought the voters existed to serve the party, much like the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Win or lose, Trump has shattered this idea permanently.

    Let’s hope so.

    The GOP may not officially disband soon, or for a long time, but if trump loses, trump voters will know that he could and would have won but for the dishonest and hysterical opposition and treachery of establishment republicans.

    Then there will be a new major party formed, an explicitly nationalist / citizenist party (hopefully not a racist or racialist party, if we want to actually win and not further stoke racial / cultural divisions).

  174. @Harry Baldwin
    My observation is that the offspring of an interracial marriage identify with the non-white parent, due to Steve's "flight from white" factor. Obvious example being Obama. Also, parents who adopt non-white children often immediately identify more with that group; they to are expressing their flight from white.

    Seems right, generally, unfortunately,

    But it doesn’t seem to be the case with our children so far, thankfully. I’m white and my wife is Asian. Luckily for me and for the children, my wife is fully assimilating, speaks fluent English better than most white Americans’ English, resents illegal aliens, and is grateful and loyal to the traditional normal European America that she dreamed of as a child.

    We enjoy enraging and confusing brainwashed lefties and white-haters by wearing our TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT shirts together in public, as we do every single damn day and night when not at work. Just this past weekend in a park in New Jersey, a lady loudly called me a “racist” for wearing the shirt, only to look freeking stupid when my wife came back from getting something from the car. I said, “oh, let me introduce you to my wife. (Name), this very well-informed lady thinks I hate nonwhite people. What do you think about that?” My wife, God love her, answers, “I think her eyesight must be just be as poor as her manners.” I wanted to marry her a second time.

    There are many more nonwhite immigrants like my wife, though I’m pretty confident not a majority of nonwhite immigrants. In other words, my wife and the other good trustworthy new Americans like her are NOT a valid argument for permissive third world immigration policies or open borders. For every one like my wife, we are getting more than one who is very much not like her.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    P.S. We also have our kids learning German (in addition to the now-obligatory Spanish). So you can see that we are not remotely a typical mixed-race couple in today's white-hating America.
  175. @RadicalCenter
    Seems right, generally, unfortunately,

    But it doesn't seem to be the case with our children so far, thankfully. I'm white and my wife is Asian. Luckily for me and for the children, my wife is fully assimilating, speaks fluent English better than most white Americans' English, resents illegal aliens, and is grateful and loyal to the traditional normal European America that she dreamed of as a child.

    We enjoy enraging and confusing brainwashed lefties and white-haters by wearing our TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT shirts together in public, as we do every single damn day and night when not at work. Just this past weekend in a park in New Jersey, a lady loudly called me a "racist" for wearing the shirt, only to look freeking stupid when my wife came back from getting something from the car. I said, "oh, let me introduce you to my wife. (Name), this very well-informed lady thinks I hate nonwhite people. What do you think about that?" My wife, God love her, answers, "I think her eyesight must be just be as poor as her manners." I wanted to marry her a second time.

    There are many more nonwhite immigrants like my wife, though I'm pretty confident not a majority of nonwhite immigrants. In other words, my wife and the other good trustworthy new Americans like her are NOT a valid argument for permissive third world immigration policies or open borders. For every one like my wife, we are getting more than one who is very much not like her.

    P.S. We also have our kids learning German (in addition to the now-obligatory Spanish). So you can see that we are not remotely a typical mixed-race couple in today’s white-hating America.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    I've been putting more thought into signaling that i am NOT antiwhite, these days (I'm a black male).
    I'm gonna be traveling in Europe in the next few months and I intend to wear stuff with visible runes and medieval motifs. I have one quasi-NSBM* shirt and I think I'll be wearing it. I've always been into that stuff but I'm feeling that it's more urgent for me to outwardly signal that I am not onboard with the war on white people. Hopefully no one mistakes me for a refugee.
  176. @Boomstick
    Opposing tyranny is a pretty good reason for being against communism, too.

    Someone married to a Pole might not be too keen on the Russian foreign policy of the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st century, either.

    If I lived in a country bordering Russia, I sure as Hell would fear Russia and demand that my government ramp up defense capabilities. I don’t trust Russia for a minute, even living here in the USA.

    But the USA and our NATO flunkies are still mostly in the wrong in the Crimea and Donbass and Syrian conflicts, when compared to Russia.

  177. DWB says: • Website

    Steve – I think that the Masters of the Universe, sensing a crushing victory for Herself, are not even trying to hide their contempt anymore.

    Last night, on the way home, I was listening to NPR (Yes; I know, so don’t bother with snide comments), and on it was a guy called Michael Kimmel, professor of sociology at SUNY-Stony Brook. He wrote a book a couple of years ago called “Angry White Men,” and he was crowing in the interview about how prescient he was in describing the rise of Trump.

    Here is a synopsis of ther interview:

    https://www.marketplace.org/2016/08/12/elections/angry-white-men-love-trump-and-heres-why

    Our society and economy has rapidly changed over the past few decades, and they’ve watched their way of life crumble. Their jobs are gone and they can no longer afford to send their kids to college. At the same time, their “silent majority” is disappearing as the American populous rapidly becomes more diverse, and the people who were once disenfranchised minorities are granted a leg up. The men who bought into the American Dream are now frustrated that the social contract they felt entitled too (sic)has been broken and that they have been forgotten.

    (emphasis added)

    He used the word “entitled” over and over again – but always about Americans who, in his own words, followed the laws, did their work, and “bought into” the American dream (as if this was somehow a bad thing).

    Never – not once – did he hint at all at the irony that many advocates for immigration “reform” central argument is how the illegals have lived in this country, worked, and are thus implicitly entitled to a path to permanent residency.

    You see – Americans who have broken no laws but expect that their government will actually uphold its end of the bargain are somehow wrongly feeling “entitled,” but that suggesting that foreigners who by definition have flouted our laws ought not to be here is racist.

    It’s madness.

    In the end, this professor gleefully described how globalisation is inevitable, how these people are shrinking, and eventually will just be crushed by it.

    His opening even touches on the various cliches that the “cosmopolitans” always fall back on:

    In the great new multicultural American mosaic, they’re the bland white background that no one pays any attention to, the store-bought white bread in a culture of bagels, tortillas, wontons, and organic whole-grain designer scones

    The implicit slur about “bland white bread,” and the benefits of exotic, foreign foods. He tosses in (for good measure) the apocryphal story os people shouting racial slurs at congressmen (a charge made at the Obama administration that has, as far as I know, never been backed up by a single iota of evidence).

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Who is John Galt?
    , @random observer
    "professor of sociology at SUNY-Stony Brook" is the honorific bestowed on a third assistant junior flunkey of the [very] provincial wing of the ruling class.

    In imperial Roman society his counterpart would have been the Assistant Deputy Scribe and Floor Cleaner to the Chief Tax Farmer of some village in Dalmatia.

    Not that I would knock the latter position- whatever puts food on the table and keeps one from being 5 second bait for the lions.
  178. @Lagertha
    Completely agree with what you have stated. What the western elites can't control is: fear....however, they may be planning to figure out how to medicate us all through food or water supply! Haha!

    I think fear or just plain negativity towards immigrants has larger components.

    1. the western world is unable to create decent paying jobs for its own citizens, so how will they justify taxing their citizens more to pay for the welfare benefits of a large, dependent, migrant class, a newly created underclass? Also, in the Nordic countries and N.Europe, benefits are already severely cut for the elderly and disabled - many of these facts are ignored by the "gutless" and biased US press. NPR just recently cut it's comments section since most posters chimed in to call out their yuge bias toward anything remotely conservative, or what doesn't fit "the narrative." I feel that the USA is marching toward a fascist/totalitarian state like the ole' USSR with SJWs carrying whips like Stalin did! :)

    2. Global climate change: we are starting to hear that we must accommodate people escaping dry, barren lands in MENA. Yet China is pushing into Africa like gangbusters? China's own air and polluted land is causing cancer and other misery & death. But, what have the Chinese discovered in Africa that seems to be positive for them?

    3. Population explosion outside of western world: How are we ever going to feed these people?
    Population explosion is also: destroying the world's fish supplies (lobsters are leaving Connecticut and Massachusetts just like these state's retirees!) by over fishing- particularly by Asian fishermen; pollution in Indian Ocean and China seas are creating a toxic fish supply/genetically deformed fish ( don't eat any shrimp from Asia, seriously; reefs are dying; land animals in Africa are being poached to extinction; toxic Blue Algae is now spreading its death to more lakes and oceans, including in the USA; And, lastly, virgin forest (cut down) or lush farmlands are covered with solar panels now, and any company will frack in your backyard if you let them.

    4. About 12 years ago I read numerous articles (Time/NYT mag/other mags) about how it was close to $900,000 to raise a child in the USA - probably over a mil now! And, this was primarily: feeding, clothing, housing and educating your child. How can an average parent of average means in this country pay for the children of other people who will wind up needing public assistance since there is a dearth of jobs that one can raise a family on, worldwide?

    5. Everyone secretly frets about the population explosion in the world. On the one hand there is so much psychobabble, SJW endeavors to educate us on how immigration and diversity is so awesome; but, this is diametrically opposed to sustainability.

    I do believe that Pentti Linkola (the weird sage of doomsday thinking in Finland) is correct: there will be growing tension of control over dwindling resources, eroding land, polluted water, loss of habitat, death of wildlife, human diseases spiraling out of control, political corruption, riots. Even the global elite will not be able to protect their children from eminent destruction since someone has to grow the food and supply the clean water...but there will be too many people to feed...and too much desperation. Linkola was a "prepper" before anyone knew the term. He lives in isolation in Finland, deep in the woods.

    The populations of European countries going down is fine. Most of them grew after WW2...so going on to "sustainable levels" is rational. Why import people when there are no jobs? And, even SV admits that nothing awesome has been developed that could employ massive amounts of middle income people again, like in the 50's & 60's. Population should be vigorously controlled; the sooner the better while there is still time. Steve's graph on population in Africa is frightening.

    Agree except for two things.

    First, the notion that Europeans not having children is alright. It’s suicide for them and their nations, depriving us of the voters, teachers, innovators, cultural expounders, and if need be FIGHTERS, that we will need to survive at all in the near future.

    Second, that estimate of the cost of raising kids was overblown then and probably even now, years later. One of the largest components of that inflated estimate, if not the largest, is university education. Parents and the kids themselves unnecessarily and foolishly attend exorbitant private universities or out-of-state government universities.

    Attending in-state university slashes that supposedly unavoidable cost of raising children. So does the college student living at home for a year or two if at all possible. So does attending a very inexpensive community college for at least the first two years, which is a perfectly suitable option for many, perhaps most people.

    Raising kids is a big financial sacrifice, to be sure, and government taxes and policies surely make it much harder than it needs to be. But let’s stop exaggerating which expenses of childrearing are truly “necessary.”

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Raising children is a big financial sacrifice, but it provides joy and brings the most meaning to people's lives. It is essential in old age to have people at hand with whom you share memories. The current situation is unnatural, and cannot continue.
    , @Lagertha
    Of course: the population of say, Finland has not gone down; it has tripled since 1945. Finnish couples are still having 2+ children, and, bigger families are in. Finland is a very insular society compared to the other Nordic countries or N.E. in general. Out of all the northern countries, the migrants are least comfortable in Finland. Finnish men are unpredictable (propensity for violence or "hitting/knifing back if attacked."), and, this has been their reputation for 500 years. Of course, the Finns invented the Molotov cocktail...they know vodka and they knew when they had to fight the Bosheviks with their bare hands and random farmer's tools until Germany sold them weapons in WW2/round 2 of fighting the Russians again. Molotov cocktails were used to throw inside the Russian tanks when Finnish sniper ski patrols came upon them. I can't show photos.

    Of course, I do know how college costs can be brought down but, a lot of 1st generation students (of parents who earn just more than the cut off from qualifying for federal financial aid - 130K for 4 is the cut-off) do not know this. They are coerced to take out giant loans under the guise of "it's an investment!"

    The high cost of child raising also comes from parents who have mediocre health plans, and, then, whoah, they have a difficult pregnancy. I have 3 sons (2 college kids) so, yeah, I don't dispute that costs could be lower, but you have to be very savvy with a very driven student so the cost of college doesn't balloon into 6 figures.

  179. @Lurker
    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I've never read a single word he's written.

    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I’ve never read a single word he’s written.

    The trouble with Moldbug is that you have to read in 10,000 words what could have been expressed in 1,000.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    The glory of Moldbug is that you get to luxuriate in 10,000 words, instead of coming away still feeling hungry after a mere 1,000.

    He did his thing supremely well.
  180. @Flip
    I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don't speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years.

    “I see lots of work crews in Chicago staffed by Mexicans who don’t speak English. No way these guys are legal. The contractors would rather high illegals than local blacks whose ancestors have been in this country for hundreds of years.” I’ve seen plenty of this in working with my uncle from time to time in commercial painting in Metro Detroit / Pontiac, both with his crews and other crews. I’ve asked him about this before. He doesn’t like the blacks because they are usually temp workers forced upon him by the state if it is a state/municipal job and they ask for rides to and from job sites and often times want to get paid on the spot. They are also poor workers. The illegals aren’t any of the above. When I asked about legal status, he said that the only requirement is that they have documentation, but that said documentation doesn’t need to be verified. He doesn’t have the time or resources to verify, that the State should be doing it, but doesn’t.

  181. @Jack D
    A turkey locked in a cage and awaiting slaughter is "secure". Given the lessons of history, every time Europe and Russia have allied, Poland was invited to dinner. As the dinner entree, not as a guest.

    It is said that nations don't have friends, only interests. While the interests of Russia and the West may line up temporarily now and then the way lemons line up on a slot machine, most of the time they don't. Russia is where the East begins (Putin is a classic Oriental despot despite the democratic trappings). Kipling said that never the twain shall meet but in fact the Polish border is the line where East meets West and it's rarely pretty. Poland is naturally drawn to the West (Krakow looks like a Tuscan city transported north) and tells the boy next door, Russia, I'm just not that into you. But Russia is like the rejected boyfriend who keeps stalking his ex and won't take no for an answer. He says, we have a lot in common but you want to go out with that Italian guy instead - I don't get it.

    You should win the thread for this one. Hysterical. And seems pretty accurate, too. I have a friend married to a polish woman and living in Kraków and visited them, and will be forwarding your comment to him right now.

  182. @candid_observer
    Finkielkraut's observations were exactly on target.

    I think that what we are seeing in the identity politics movement is the rise to power and natural unfolding of a secular faith. Thoughts that were permissible only a decade or so ago are now held to be moral abominations. There's a transition here to far more severe standards of acceptable behavior and far harsher punishments.

    Many of these changes really are inevitable, I think, given the forces involved. That secular faith, by its own internal logic, and imperviousness to countervailing fact, has to move over time to more oppressive manifestations. It is a faith because it is based on dogma; it must be oppressive because that dogma runs up against contrary fact regularly.

    Steve asks whether Hillary might herself have a Sister Souljah moment with regard to BLM. I just don't see how that is any longer possible. The faith and the faithful have moved well past the point where such a thing might be acceptable, even for critical political purposes.

    In Bill Clinton's time, the left may have been composed of a Coalition of the Fringes, but it was the leftist politicians who were in control, and could adjudicate between their interests in the service of the larger coalition. That day is long past. Today, it is the fringe groups themselves who hold the whip hand. Politicians must answer to their demands. It doesn't matter if those demands are inconsistent with each other, because logic is not a constraint.

    Of course, in the end this must all come to tears. But the ability of the elites have demonstrated to engage in mindless hysteria over these issues, and find ways to avoid the most obvious contradicting facts, has been remarkable. No doubt a good portion of this mindlessness has been made worse by the very Affirmative Action for which they advocate: anywhere and everywhere in elite settings, one finds representatives of the victim classes; those representatives both have every venal interest in promoting their victimhood, and, on average, limited ability to see the illogicality of their philosophy. How might the more rational components of the elite be able in the future to resist the demands of the most fanatic and irrational parties they have admitted into their midst, and whose voices they have said we must all listen to?

    I see this secular faith as getting worse before it gets better.

    But how much worse?

    Just to add a further obvious point, it’s because Trump has presumed to question certain aspects of this secular faith that he has come under such relentless attack by all parties in the elite.

    It is in fact impossible for these critics to find any statements by Trump that can be depicted as, say, racist against blacks — indeed he supports Affirmative Action. By any rational account, his statements against immigration are almost entirely focused on illegal immigrants on the one hand, and Muslim immigrants on the other hand — and his concern is about those among them who are in fact, or will become, criminals.

    But those concerns, narrow as they are, has cast him in the role of Heretic among our elite, with all the moral panic a Heretic has always inspired among the devout.

    This is why they feel fully justified in abandoning all principle in going after him, as the recent article by Jim Rutenberg of the Times made shamelessly clear.

    How could any Believer fail to abandon all and come to the defense of The One True Faith, when it is set upon by the Devil Himself?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    And one further point.


    There are clear indications that, for the left, Trump falls into the category of a Heretic, rather than that of an opposing politician.

    One telling sign is how they greet the points on which he would seem to agree with them: with increased fear and anger, rather than with any amelioration in their attitudes.

    Trump has expressed support for Affirmative Action; for gay rights; for Social Security and Medicare; for increased funding for infrastructure, and the creation of jobs that would entail. He has mostly rejected the rigid standards of the Religious Right, and seems as secular as any President we have had. All of these things the left has said for many years are key to their world view, and the vision of America they espouse.

    But Trump's positions on these issues are regarded with increasing fear, not with increasing acceptance.

    Why? Because they regard him as a Heretic: he has dared to deviate from the official dogma on the point of immigration, which can entail only an attitude of eager embrace. These other positions render him more dangerous a Heretic, precisely because he would seem to pass more readily as one who is Faithful. That's why they condemn him for his "populism" on the very positions they otherwise pretend to hold dear.

    Trump is as centrist a candidate as any Republican who has come onto the scene since before Reagan -- yet they detest him infinitely more than they have any candidate who has come onto the scene since before Reagan.

    For Trump is a Heretic; and the proper response to Heresy must be its extinction.

  183. @Chrisnonymous
    I think large parts of the alt-right don't have anything to do with Steve or Razib, and I don't consider Ron Unz to be alt-right. I doubt he considers himself to be either.

    Frankly, I think the bloom is off the alt-right.

    The peak was around the earlier days of TakiMag, before it became just clickbait whoring. Uber-nerds like Scott Locklin and Razib were writing for it then. Also, when Moldbug and Foseti were writing, and the whole scene was being supported on the fringes by random anti-establishment voices like Heartiste, Gary Taubes, even Admiral Cod--all new and inspiring at one time. Likewise, Derbyshire's "We Are Doomed" was hung out there like a manifesto, or, perhaps better, a sign-post for searchers.

    Some have gone underground now. I hope that's why Scott Locklin isn't publishing much anymore. I enjoyed his pieces.

    Anyhow, the way the personalities and circumstances are on the alt-right, it was never going to be a sustained movement. Milo, McInnes, Breitbart, and Stormfront aren't forging anything. If Trump wins, it's going to be 4 years of circus show, but Trump doesn't have enough ideological vision to intentionally undermine and dismantle both the bureaucracy and party establishments, which is what needs to be for lasting improvement.

    Maybe Trump doesn’t, but maybe Miller does. I don’t underestimate Trump’s ability to read future Trends and create his own future.

  184. @donut
    I know you are talking about something important and I know you let me post this before but her voice is pure as a bell isn't it ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLOnWWrGSaA

    There are certain parallels between what Hillary Clinton would like to do and what the Peron (especially Eva) did … haven’t read the book, but D’Souza makes an apt description in his movie Hillary’s America …

    • Replies: @donut
    I don't know about that . Really the only parallel between Hillary and Evita that I can think of is that they are both whores .
  185. Dahlia says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I think large parts of the alt-right don't have anything to do with Steve or Razib, and I don't consider Ron Unz to be alt-right. I doubt he considers himself to be either.

    Frankly, I think the bloom is off the alt-right.

    The peak was around the earlier days of TakiMag, before it became just clickbait whoring. Uber-nerds like Scott Locklin and Razib were writing for it then. Also, when Moldbug and Foseti were writing, and the whole scene was being supported on the fringes by random anti-establishment voices like Heartiste, Gary Taubes, even Admiral Cod--all new and inspiring at one time. Likewise, Derbyshire's "We Are Doomed" was hung out there like a manifesto, or, perhaps better, a sign-post for searchers.

    Some have gone underground now. I hope that's why Scott Locklin isn't publishing much anymore. I enjoyed his pieces.

    Anyhow, the way the personalities and circumstances are on the alt-right, it was never going to be a sustained movement. Milo, McInnes, Breitbart, and Stormfront aren't forging anything. If Trump wins, it's going to be 4 years of circus show, but Trump doesn't have enough ideological vision to intentionally undermine and dismantle both the bureaucracy and party establishments, which is what needs to be for lasting improvement.

    Especially agree with your last paragraph, but also can’t help but think we’re about to “go live”.

    I remember when the twitter trolls, the alt-Reich, basically the crazy as well as fun part “went live” in the Republican primary a year ago. Obviously, they didn’t torpedo the Trump campaign and the hostile take over by the populist/alt-whatever was successful.

    I’ve got this sense that this movement will be explored further, and much more in depth, past the silly and outrageous, to the intellectual core and Steve, Ron, et al. need to be ready. Of course, it’s hilarious that so many journalists will have a leg up being secret readers and all, lol!

  186. @Steve Sailer
    Maybe she loves her husband?

    Even if she only hated Putin or for that matter the new Polish government because she loved her husband it would still be no excuse. She’s one of the two or three most influential East European-watchers in the English-speaking media. Surely she has a duty to her North American and British readers to tell the truth or resign her position due to a conflict of interest. I know that’s the old fashioned Anglo-Saxon way that’s all but dead these days but most of her readers and those who see her occasionally on British TV are unlikely to be aware of her biases.

  187. Two quibbles: The marginally pronounceable tsunami may not be the ideal replacement, but “tidal waves” are nontidal, countertidal, extratidal, whatever. But, mea culpa, I made the same mistake yesterday telling my son about being woken after midnight on the Oahu coast to drive up to the middle of the island whenever an earthquake struck our arc segment of the Pacific rim. But that’s what we called them, back in the less-enlightened Space Age.

    And the 2002 elections weren’t “midterm”, but end-of-term elections for those candidates. Only if you buy into the strongman view of US politics are they midterm.

    Now, Scott Walker’s second victory– that was midterm.

  188. @Jack D
    A turkey locked in a cage and awaiting slaughter is "secure". Given the lessons of history, every time Europe and Russia have allied, Poland was invited to dinner. As the dinner entree, not as a guest.

    It is said that nations don't have friends, only interests. While the interests of Russia and the West may line up temporarily now and then the way lemons line up on a slot machine, most of the time they don't. Russia is where the East begins (Putin is a classic Oriental despot despite the democratic trappings). Kipling said that never the twain shall meet but in fact the Polish border is the line where East meets West and it's rarely pretty. Poland is naturally drawn to the West (Krakow looks like a Tuscan city transported north) and tells the boy next door, Russia, I'm just not that into you. But Russia is like the rejected boyfriend who keeps stalking his ex and won't take no for an answer. He says, we have a lot in common but you want to go out with that Italian guy instead - I don't get it.

    Russians are the scariest of all immigrants, because they look and talk white. The rest of the lot are color-coded, so you can steer clear of them.

  189. @RadicalCenter
    Agree except for two things.

    First, the notion that Europeans not having children is alright. It's suicide for them and their nations, depriving us of the voters, teachers, innovators, cultural expounders, and if need be FIGHTERS, that we will need to survive at all in the near future.

    Second, that estimate of the cost of raising kids was overblown then and probably even now, years later. One of the largest components of that inflated estimate, if not the largest, is university education. Parents and the kids themselves unnecessarily and foolishly attend exorbitant private universities or out-of-state government universities.

    Attending in-state university slashes that supposedly unavoidable cost of raising children. So does the college student living at home for a year or two if at all possible. So does attending a very inexpensive community college for at least the first two years, which is a perfectly suitable option for many, perhaps most people.

    Raising kids is a big financial sacrifice, to be sure, and government taxes and policies surely make it much harder than it needs to be. But let's stop exaggerating which expenses of childrearing are truly "necessary."

    Raising children is a big financial sacrifice, but it provides joy and brings the most meaning to people’s lives. It is essential in old age to have people at hand with whom you share memories. The current situation is unnatural, and cannot continue.

  190. @Ben Tzot-Abrit
    Really? "The hard left media" is to blame for the noun "boner" taking on its additional, sexualized sense in the decades after "Merkle's boner"? In Australia the same concept is communicated with the word "stiffy," which follows a similar logic. Were ideologues of some stripe behind this one as well?

    Let's blame the left for real things, not every silly thing we'd rather be rid of. Boy who cried wolf, et cetera.

    Indeed, the sexualized sense of the term has been around for many decades.

    One of the first vulgar slang terms I learned as a little kid in the 1970s. So it must have been well established by then.

    We also knew the term in the sense of what would more recently have been called an “epic fail”. But the sexual term was bound to win out. They always do.

  191. @Lagertha
    Completely agree with what you have stated. What the western elites can't control is: fear....however, they may be planning to figure out how to medicate us all through food or water supply! Haha!

    I think fear or just plain negativity towards immigrants has larger components.

    1. the western world is unable to create decent paying jobs for its own citizens, so how will they justify taxing their citizens more to pay for the welfare benefits of a large, dependent, migrant class, a newly created underclass? Also, in the Nordic countries and N.Europe, benefits are already severely cut for the elderly and disabled - many of these facts are ignored by the "gutless" and biased US press. NPR just recently cut it's comments section since most posters chimed in to call out their yuge bias toward anything remotely conservative, or what doesn't fit "the narrative." I feel that the USA is marching toward a fascist/totalitarian state like the ole' USSR with SJWs carrying whips like Stalin did! :)

    2. Global climate change: we are starting to hear that we must accommodate people escaping dry, barren lands in MENA. Yet China is pushing into Africa like gangbusters? China's own air and polluted land is causing cancer and other misery & death. But, what have the Chinese discovered in Africa that seems to be positive for them?

    3. Population explosion outside of western world: How are we ever going to feed these people?
    Population explosion is also: destroying the world's fish supplies (lobsters are leaving Connecticut and Massachusetts just like these state's retirees!) by over fishing- particularly by Asian fishermen; pollution in Indian Ocean and China seas are creating a toxic fish supply/genetically deformed fish ( don't eat any shrimp from Asia, seriously; reefs are dying; land animals in Africa are being poached to extinction; toxic Blue Algae is now spreading its death to more lakes and oceans, including in the USA; And, lastly, virgin forest (cut down) or lush farmlands are covered with solar panels now, and any company will frack in your backyard if you let them.

    4. About 12 years ago I read numerous articles (Time/NYT mag/other mags) about how it was close to $900,000 to raise a child in the USA - probably over a mil now! And, this was primarily: feeding, clothing, housing and educating your child. How can an average parent of average means in this country pay for the children of other people who will wind up needing public assistance since there is a dearth of jobs that one can raise a family on, worldwide?

    5. Everyone secretly frets about the population explosion in the world. On the one hand there is so much psychobabble, SJW endeavors to educate us on how immigration and diversity is so awesome; but, this is diametrically opposed to sustainability.

    I do believe that Pentti Linkola (the weird sage of doomsday thinking in Finland) is correct: there will be growing tension of control over dwindling resources, eroding land, polluted water, loss of habitat, death of wildlife, human diseases spiraling out of control, political corruption, riots. Even the global elite will not be able to protect their children from eminent destruction since someone has to grow the food and supply the clean water...but there will be too many people to feed...and too much desperation. Linkola was a "prepper" before anyone knew the term. He lives in isolation in Finland, deep in the woods.

    The populations of European countries going down is fine. Most of them grew after WW2...so going on to "sustainable levels" is rational. Why import people when there are no jobs? And, even SV admits that nothing awesome has been developed that could employ massive amounts of middle income people again, like in the 50's & 60's. Population should be vigorously controlled; the sooner the better while there is still time. Steve's graph on population in Africa is frightening.

    Oh No, does this mean that Chelsea’s kids won’t be able to afford the type of reconstructive surgery that made her semi-attractive? Oh the humanity.

  192. This UN-graph again – and Ms. Merkel

    Thilo Sarrazin (Germany does Away with Itself) is a German (ex-politician – nowadays: writer) who understands the United Nations graph dealing with population growth.

    He wrote an excellent 160 lines article about the fact, that “The Entrance Gate Needs to be Closed” in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (= FAZ) of monday this week.

    Turns out that the European immigration laws as well as the German immigration laws and the way, they’re being applied – – is one big support for parts of the German middle class – be they lawyers or social workers or PSD-therapists and so on. Sarrazin doesn’t care. He fights all those, who will loose subsidies, if the borders sould not stay open. He does want the German borders to stay open for those who are really prosecuted and / or oppressed for political reasons though.
    – And those are – less than 1% (!!!) according to Sarrazin (who is very cautious with the numbers, and (almost) always right). The rest of 99% are so-called poverty-refugees.
    Those will arrive at the coasts of Europe, as long as African societies don’t fight their popularity-growth.

    In a way, this is all very simple. Steve Sailer is right about that – as is Thilo Sarrazin.

  193. @Glossy
    Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot and Ron Paul all have very different personalities from Trump and from each other, and they all led populist uprisings of a similar nature. The question is why Trump went further. Could be a fluke. Maybe the mood is riper now. Maybe it's just Trump being a successful showman who has an instinctive feel for what TV viewers want, which implies that his old nemesis Rosie O'Donnel could one day become the Dem nominee.

    “The question is why Trump went further.”

    My guess would be it is easier now than ever before to take your message directly to the public, bypassing traditional media. If Trump needed to depend on the likes of the major networks or WashPo and NYT to give him time and report accurately on his views and positions, he’d have zero chance.

    Additionally, Trump is a master at getting traditional media to pay attention to him and pass on his message even if it is passed on with disapproval/hysterical pointing.

    There is also the matter of the globalists in the GOP and the lunatics in the Dem party having gone much much further down this path to destruction than they had when Perot or Buchanan were running.

  194. In the days since he added Breitbart News chief executive Stephen K. Bannon to his campaign, Donald Trump has made a considered pitch to black voters, and held a meeting with around two dozen Latino leaders from politics, business and faith where he reportedly hinted that his immigration policy could be tapered.

    Unless Weigel just gets a kick out of using weird tangents in his diction, I think he meant to say “tempered.”

    But, hey, it’s only WaPo.

    The alt-right, in other words, is constantly focusing on the trees and not the forest.

    Based on Weigel’s description, it sounds to me more like they’re focused on the forest, and not the trees.

    But, hey, it’s only WaPo.

    Merkel being generally seen as a pathbreaking female leader.

    Trailblazing. It’s trailblazing. (Trailblazing off the Road of Common Sense, and down into the Vally of the Shadow of Death, but, I digress.)

    But, hey, it’s only WaPo.

    Sorry Steve, I guess my tack here kind of steps on your toes. Kudos for the interview. 🙂

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  195. @J
    Producing the next generation is always expensive. Absorbing immigrants consumes resources and imposes severe stress on the society. Lowers average IQ too. Bringing up children is even more expensive, specially in a child-unfriendly place like Germany. But what is the alternative?

    Pets to love and be loved, Robots to do work, compatible High IQ immigrants to populate the country. Everybody wins; Easy on the environment.

  196. @whorefinder
    Dave Wiegel is a self-proclaimed "libertarian" who voted for Barack Obama.

    Oh yeah, he's also a Journo-list member. He regularly coordinates with other Lefties in the media to present a unified message designed to push a Left-Wing agenda, and then, when caught red-handed, tried to deny he was part of such propaganda-disguised-as-news.

    Absolutely zero credibility. Why did you talk to him?

    Yeah, Steve, why didn’t you demand to be interviewed by one of the Post’s alt-right race realist reporters?

  197. BenjaminL
    says:

    August 23, 2016 at 12:00 am GMT • 100 Words

    Good. I’m very glad to hear there’s an upside to compensate for my tree-counting.

    But a Trump who was cautious and self-disciplined wouldn’t have run for President on these issues.

    Probably wouldn’t have gotten much press, or won the nomination, either.

    Somebody bugged the restaurant talk of Ms. Applebaum’s husband, the former Polish foreign minister, which hurt her husband’s career. I wouldn’t be surprised if she blames Putin for it. I can’t criticize her for being a loyal wife and hating her husband’s enemies.

    I’ll hate her for the both of us, Steve.

  198. @candid_observer
    Just to add a further obvious point, it's because Trump has presumed to question certain aspects of this secular faith that he has come under such relentless attack by all parties in the elite.

    It is in fact impossible for these critics to find any statements by Trump that can be depicted as, say, racist against blacks -- indeed he supports Affirmative Action. By any rational account, his statements against immigration are almost entirely focused on illegal immigrants on the one hand, and Muslim immigrants on the other hand -- and his concern is about those among them who are in fact, or will become, criminals.

    But those concerns, narrow as they are, has cast him in the role of Heretic among our elite, with all the moral panic a Heretic has always inspired among the devout.

    This is why they feel fully justified in abandoning all principle in going after him, as the recent article by Jim Rutenberg of the Times made shamelessly clear.

    How could any Believer fail to abandon all and come to the defense of The One True Faith, when it is set upon by the Devil Himself?

    And one further point.

    There are clear indications that, for the left, Trump falls into the category of a Heretic, rather than that of an opposing politician.

    One telling sign is how they greet the points on which he would seem to agree with them: with increased fear and anger, rather than with any amelioration in their attitudes.

    Trump has expressed support for Affirmative Action; for gay rights; for Social Security and Medicare; for increased funding for infrastructure, and the creation of jobs that would entail. He has mostly rejected the rigid standards of the Religious Right, and seems as secular as any President we have had. All of these things the left has said for many years are key to their world view, and the vision of America they espouse.

    But Trump’s positions on these issues are regarded with increasing fear, not with increasing acceptance.

    Why? Because they regard him as a Heretic: he has dared to deviate from the official dogma on the point of immigration, which can entail only an attitude of eager embrace. These other positions render him more dangerous a Heretic, precisely because he would seem to pass more readily as one who is Faithful. That’s why they condemn him for his “populism” on the very positions they otherwise pretend to hold dear.

    Trump is as centrist a candidate as any Republican who has come onto the scene since before Reagan — yet they detest him infinitely more than they have any candidate who has come onto the scene since before Reagan.

    For Trump is a Heretic; and the proper response to Heresy must be its extinction.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Another point to add to your argument: For decades the Left has been bemoaning the role of money in politics, corporations and the rich controlling elections. Now we have Hillary, darling of the super-rich and corporations, raising far more money than trump, who is getting donations mostly from small contributors like me, and the Left ridicules Trump for his parsimonious campaign and exults over Hillary's bulging war chest.
    , @Das
    The anti-Trump hysteria from the left is because they know that his style of politics is a much bigger threat to them politically than traditional GOP conservatism.

    Someone like Mitt Romney had no chance of winning over significant numbers of new voters for the Republican party. He was too religious for affluent Democrats, and too much of a vulture capitalist for downscale Democrats.

    Trump's policies are way more appealing than anything any Republican candidate has offered in several decades. Trumpism could win over secular voters, gay voters, elderly voters concerned about their entitlements, working class voters concerned about trade, anti-war voters, etc. Over time it could even win over a portion of the black vote, if people see that reducing immigration increases jobs and wages in the black community.

    If Trump blows this election by making a bunch of stupid gaffes, it'll be a tragic missed opportunity. The entire media is going to blame it all on Trump's policy positions, and the GOP will probably go along with that narrative and nominate someone like Jeb Bush in 2020.
  199. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    From a very long-time, ardent fan: congratulations. Your time is coming. Please don't sell out, not even for a new dishwasher!

    How many unique visitors a week do you think Steve was getting in 2001-2?

    • Replies: @gbloco
    Steve how many uniques were you getting per week in 2001-2?
  200. @gbloco
    How many unique visitors a week do you think Steve was getting in 2001-2?

    Steve how many uniques were you getting per week in 2001-2?

  201. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    I didn’t start reading Steve for his politics. I read him for his film reviews, for his discussions on sport, for the quirky pieces about California.

    When we met we didn’t talk about politics once. I don’t think Steve has a political philosophy. He observes and he sees the grass growing.

    I don’t think that makes him the genesis of the alt right just the predictor of its emergence….

  202. @BenjaminL
    Well done. Weigel has always seemed quite willing to go beyond pointing and sputtering. I think he is more intelligent than the typical member of the clickbait lumpenintelligentsia at Slate or the Atlantic.

    I give Weigel credit for the following (in addition to interviewing Steve).

    1. Identifying VDare (accurately) as "a clearinghouse for immigration restrictionists" rather than (as is more typical) "a vile nest of Hitlerian, racist, unforgivably white racists"

    2. Identifying Steve (accurately) as "an influential writer for VDare and Taki's Magazine" (rather than, say, "controversial," "extreme," etc.)

    3. Not citing the $outhern Poverty Law Center or any of its "hate group" designations anywhere in the article

    and most importantly

    4. Taking the time and space to actually present (at least the rudiments of) the "alt-right's" argument, rather than isolating the most inflammatory quotations out of context and pinning them up for point and sputter.

    All true, except Sailer doesn’t really belong in the alt-right. Although you could say that alt-righters have all been influenced by Steve.

  203. @candid_observer
    And one further point.


    There are clear indications that, for the left, Trump falls into the category of a Heretic, rather than that of an opposing politician.

    One telling sign is how they greet the points on which he would seem to agree with them: with increased fear and anger, rather than with any amelioration in their attitudes.

    Trump has expressed support for Affirmative Action; for gay rights; for Social Security and Medicare; for increased funding for infrastructure, and the creation of jobs that would entail. He has mostly rejected the rigid standards of the Religious Right, and seems as secular as any President we have had. All of these things the left has said for many years are key to their world view, and the vision of America they espouse.

    But Trump's positions on these issues are regarded with increasing fear, not with increasing acceptance.

    Why? Because they regard him as a Heretic: he has dared to deviate from the official dogma on the point of immigration, which can entail only an attitude of eager embrace. These other positions render him more dangerous a Heretic, precisely because he would seem to pass more readily as one who is Faithful. That's why they condemn him for his "populism" on the very positions they otherwise pretend to hold dear.

    Trump is as centrist a candidate as any Republican who has come onto the scene since before Reagan -- yet they detest him infinitely more than they have any candidate who has come onto the scene since before Reagan.

    For Trump is a Heretic; and the proper response to Heresy must be its extinction.

    Another point to add to your argument: For decades the Left has been bemoaning the role of money in politics, corporations and the rich controlling elections. Now we have Hillary, darling of the super-rich and corporations, raising far more money than trump, who is getting donations mostly from small contributors like me, and the Left ridicules Trump for his parsimonious campaign and exults over Hillary’s bulging war chest.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Thanks for that additional piece of evidence.

    And I now recall still another point that should weigh enormously in Trump's favor, but does not: his forceful rejection of aggressive wars in far away lands in service of poorly grounded goals; he rejects the interventions both in Iraq and Libya.

    How many leftist sermons have we all heard over the enormities of the Bush era, stemming from his reckless military aggressions?

    What kind of "left" is it to whom these points now count for nothing -- or worse, indicate what "demagoguery" Trump represents?

    A left that cares only about abject conformity to its pious identity dogma on every point.

  204. @DWB
    Steve - I think that the Masters of the Universe, sensing a crushing victory for Herself, are not even trying to hide their contempt anymore.

    Last night, on the way home, I was listening to NPR (Yes; I know, so don't bother with snide comments), and on it was a guy called Michael Kimmel, professor of sociology at SUNY-Stony Brook. He wrote a book a couple of years ago called "Angry White Men," and he was crowing in the interview about how prescient he was in describing the rise of Trump.

    Here is a synopsis of ther interview:

    https://www.marketplace.org/2016/08/12/elections/angry-white-men-love-trump-and-heres-why


    Our society and economy has rapidly changed over the past few decades, and they’ve watched their way of life crumble. Their jobs are gone and they can no longer afford to send their kids to college. At the same time, their "silent majority" is disappearing as the American populous rapidly becomes more diverse, and the people who were once disenfranchised minorities are granted a leg up. The men who bought into the American Dream are now frustrated that the social contract they felt entitled too (sic)has been broken and that they have been forgotten.
     
    (emphasis added)

    He used the word "entitled" over and over again - but always about Americans who, in his own words, followed the laws, did their work, and "bought into" the American dream (as if this was somehow a bad thing).

    Never - not once - did he hint at all at the irony that many advocates for immigration "reform" central argument is how the illegals have lived in this country, worked, and are thus implicitly entitled to a path to permanent residency.

    You see - Americans who have broken no laws but expect that their government will actually uphold its end of the bargain are somehow wrongly feeling "entitled," but that suggesting that foreigners who by definition have flouted our laws ought not to be here is racist.

    It's madness.

    In the end, this professor gleefully described how globalisation is inevitable, how these people are shrinking, and eventually will just be crushed by it.

    His opening even touches on the various cliches that the "cosmopolitans" always fall back on:


    In the great new multicultural American mosaic, they’re the bland white background that no one pays any attention to, the store-bought white bread in a culture of bagels, tortillas, wontons, and organic whole-grain designer scones
     
    The implicit slur about "bland white bread," and the benefits of exotic, foreign foods. He tosses in (for good measure) the apocryphal story os people shouting racial slurs at congressmen (a charge made at the Obama administration that has, as far as I know, never been backed up by a single iota of evidence).

    Who is John Galt?

  205. @Dahlia
    I'm wondering what reach Spencer actually has given how much press he receives.

    Lawrence Auster laid into his site when it first came out, and it seemed to me that it would only have very narrow niche appeal. In short, I suspect that most of Spencer's readers read Steve, but not vice versa. But I haven't checked out the site since its debut and maybe totally wrong about all of this.

    Jared Taylor and American Renaissance is another story, predating Steve's internet adventures.

    Steve Sailer is the central figure of the Alt-Right. He organized it, gave it its character, and remains its central voice with his originality, creativity, and intelligence. I'm not sure why the media is focusing on people who exist alongside Steve (Brimelow, Taylor), but especially the focus on the remote outer reaches of Steve's influence confounds me: twitter trolls, 4chan, angry manosphere types like Forney, etc.

    It's probably for the best, haha, but most of the writing on the alt-Right is boring. Until I see a focus on Steve Sailer, with mentions of Gregory Cochran, Ron Unz, and, Lord have mercy, "Agnostic", I'm not interested, lol!

    The TRS/pol/4chan kids are not peripheral to the alt-right. They do seem to have burst out of nowhere but they play a huge role as of right now. They’re the ones behind the “nazi frogs”, the ((( parentheses))) and the realization that mocking the enemy is very, very important and effective. The TRS/pol crowd is not the whole alt-right but they can’t credibly be dismissed, imho.

  206. @Harry Baldwin
    Another point to add to your argument: For decades the Left has been bemoaning the role of money in politics, corporations and the rich controlling elections. Now we have Hillary, darling of the super-rich and corporations, raising far more money than trump, who is getting donations mostly from small contributors like me, and the Left ridicules Trump for his parsimonious campaign and exults over Hillary's bulging war chest.

    Thanks for that additional piece of evidence.

    And I now recall still another point that should weigh enormously in Trump’s favor, but does not: his forceful rejection of aggressive wars in far away lands in service of poorly grounded goals; he rejects the interventions both in Iraq and Libya.

    How many leftist sermons have we all heard over the enormities of the Bush era, stemming from his reckless military aggressions?

    What kind of “left” is it to whom these points now count for nothing — or worse, indicate what “demagoguery” Trump represents?

    A left that cares only about abject conformity to its pious identity dogma on every point.

    • Replies: @DWB
    You two need to keep your eye on the ball. Yes, Trump seems to be aligned to the previously stated soft-leftist views: pro-social security, non-internvention in foreign wars, more government spending on "infrastructure."

    But compare that to what the Democratic party perceives as its own, 21st Century Political Manifest Destiny.

    THE issue for them is control. If they can continue to alter the demographics of the country, they think it will guarantee for them a pluarily of votes. Immigration is a means to an end.

    The Democrats want to 'elect a new people.' I assure you, operatives are looking at a future where the US population is majority-minority - when most of the country looks like California. They think that the country as a whole will, in 20 years, be voting like California does right now, basically making the US a one-party nation.

    If you think that sex-neutral bathrooms are what Clinton and Wasserman and other power brokers in the DNC want, you're not paying attention.
  207. @Harry Baldwin
    In 2005, when Muslims were attracting attention for rioting in Paris and intellectuals were busily excusing them, French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut got a lot of heat for observing that "anti-racism" will be in the 21st century what communism was in the 20th century--a source of violence and war. Sadly, he buckled under the pressure.

    Here are his "problematic" comments:


    In France, they would like very much to reduce these riots to their social dimension, to see them as a revolt of youths from the suburbs against their situation, against the discrimination they suffer from, against the unemployment. The problem is that most of these youths are blacks or Arabs, with a Muslim identity. Look, in France there are also other immigrants whose situation is difficult - Chinese, Vietnamese, Portuguese - and they're not taking part in the riots. Therefore, it is clear that this is a revolt with an ethno-religious character. These people were treated like rebels, like revolutionaries. This is the worst thing that could happen to my country. Why? Because the only way to overcome it is to make them feel ashamed. Shame is the starting point of ethics. But instead of making them feel ashamed, we gave them legitimacy. They're `interesting.' They're `the wretched of the earth.' "Imagine for a moment that they were whites, like in Rostock in Germany. Right away, everyone would have said: `Fascism won't be tolerated.' When an Arab torches a school, it's rebellion. When a white guy does it, it's fascism. I'm `color blind.' Evil is evil, no matter what color it is. And this evil, for the Jew that I am, is completely intolerable.

    Moreover, there's a contradiction here. Because if these suburbs were truly in a state of total neglect, there wouldn't be any gymnasiums to torch, there wouldn't be schools and buses. If there are gymnasiums and schools and buses, it's because someone made an effort. Maybe not enough of one, but an effort." I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse: the separation fence, `Zionism is racism.' This is really a bigger problem: We're living in a post-national society in which for everyone the state is just utilitarian, a big insurance company. This is an extremely serious development.
     

    There are french nationalists who don’t have much patience for Finkielkraut because it’s not so long ago that he was a typical rootless cosmopolitan (not too comfortable with those french who have deep roots in France).

  208. @DWB
    France has been under a state of emergency since November of 2015 (the murderous rampage). Prime Minster Manuel Valls has had it extended each time it was nearing its end since.

    We were living in France the past few years, and experienced the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Paris for a long time has had security measures in place that Americans would find odd - closed circuit cameras virtually everywhere, armed soldiers patrolling the trains, the removal of enclosed trash bins. It was not uncommon to see paramilitary police throughout the city. The current situation takes things to a new level.

    Worse still, Valls - following the attacks in Nice, declared that terrorism has been a "daily" part of French life for a long time, and that the French people will have to learn to live with terrorism.

    "On pourrait refuser de voir la réalité en face, oublier, passer à autre chose, mais je dois la vérité aux Français: le terrorisme fait partie de notre quotidien pour longtemps".


    http://www.canalfrance.info/NICE-Manuel-Valls-La-France-va-devoir-vivre-avec-le-terrorisme_a7210.html

    It's insane.

    In other words, the French are stuck with millions of Muslim citizens.

  209. @Chrisnonymous
    I think large parts of the alt-right don't have anything to do with Steve or Razib, and I don't consider Ron Unz to be alt-right. I doubt he considers himself to be either.

    Frankly, I think the bloom is off the alt-right.

    The peak was around the earlier days of TakiMag, before it became just clickbait whoring. Uber-nerds like Scott Locklin and Razib were writing for it then. Also, when Moldbug and Foseti were writing, and the whole scene was being supported on the fringes by random anti-establishment voices like Heartiste, Gary Taubes, even Admiral Cod--all new and inspiring at one time. Likewise, Derbyshire's "We Are Doomed" was hung out there like a manifesto, or, perhaps better, a sign-post for searchers.

    Some have gone underground now. I hope that's why Scott Locklin isn't publishing much anymore. I enjoyed his pieces.

    Anyhow, the way the personalities and circumstances are on the alt-right, it was never going to be a sustained movement. Milo, McInnes, Breitbart, and Stormfront aren't forging anything. If Trump wins, it's going to be 4 years of circus show, but Trump doesn't have enough ideological vision to intentionally undermine and dismantle both the bureaucracy and party establishments, which is what needs to be for lasting improvement.

    Scott Locklin
    —-
    It’s in a Scott Locklin comment at Taki that I first heard about the pol/4chan kids. That could have been about 4 years ago. I didn’t investigate much. Then I heard again about 4chan whent he gamergate controversy got going and that eventually led me to the TRS world. I’m kind of hooked ont he TRS stuff.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    The Chans have been heavily involved in the hacker/Anonymous world for a long time. Any book about hacking and hackers eventually mentions Chan involvement.
  210. @candid_observer
    Thanks for that additional piece of evidence.

    And I now recall still another point that should weigh enormously in Trump's favor, but does not: his forceful rejection of aggressive wars in far away lands in service of poorly grounded goals; he rejects the interventions both in Iraq and Libya.

    How many leftist sermons have we all heard over the enormities of the Bush era, stemming from his reckless military aggressions?

    What kind of "left" is it to whom these points now count for nothing -- or worse, indicate what "demagoguery" Trump represents?

    A left that cares only about abject conformity to its pious identity dogma on every point.

    You two need to keep your eye on the ball. Yes, Trump seems to be aligned to the previously stated soft-leftist views: pro-social security, non-internvention in foreign wars, more government spending on “infrastructure.”

    But compare that to what the Democratic party perceives as its own, 21st Century Political Manifest Destiny.

    THE issue for them is control. If they can continue to alter the demographics of the country, they think it will guarantee for them a pluarily of votes. Immigration is a means to an end.

    The Democrats want to ‘elect a new people.’ I assure you, operatives are looking at a future where the US population is majority-minority – when most of the country looks like California. They think that the country as a whole will, in 20 years, be voting like California does right now, basically making the US a one-party nation.

    If you think that sex-neutral bathrooms are what Clinton and Wasserman and other power brokers in the DNC want, you’re not paying attention.

  211. @RadicalCenter
    P.S. We also have our kids learning German (in addition to the now-obligatory Spanish). So you can see that we are not remotely a typical mixed-race couple in today's white-hating America.

    I’ve been putting more thought into signaling that i am NOT antiwhite, these days (I’m a black male).
    I’m gonna be traveling in Europe in the next few months and I intend to wear stuff with visible runes and medieval motifs. I have one quasi-NSBM* shirt and I think I’ll be wearing it. I’ve always been into that stuff but I’m feeling that it’s more urgent for me to outwardly signal that I am not onboard with the war on white people. Hopefully no one mistakes me for a refugee.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Hey, please take care of yourself. This might seem a bit extreme, but there actually are some parts of Europe (mostly the more Eastern ones, in my own country especially the former East Germany) where violent neo-Nazi skinhead types are not totally uncommon. And the general mood has become rather tense due to the refugee situation. Not saying you shouldn't come, but please be aware of your surroundings and don't think some fascist shirt will garner you sympathy from nazi thugs (they might even believe you're intentionally mocking them).
  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BenjaminL
    Well, maybe.... But:

    1. VDare has never (I believe) published certain of the more high-profile or committed neo-reactionary or white nationalist people (Milo, or Richard Spencer), suggesting that it is not really a "clearinghouse." I believe that it only publishes such writers insofar as their work bears on immigration.

    2. VDare also publishes a number of (quasi-)mainstream pundits (Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham) who are arguably not "hard-right or white nationalist."

    3. VDare also (I believe) publishes writers whose focus is solely on immigration and who are not very (or not at all) hard-right or white nationalist: Norm Matloff, Allan Wall, Brenda Walker. In fact, Wall and Derbyshire are married to non-white women (Mexican and Chinese, respectively) and for that reason distrusted by white nationalists. Derbyshire is also accused of being insufficiently anti-Jewish by other white nationalists.

    4. VDare also publishes exchanges, pro and con, on white nationalism (see Jared Taylor vs. Steve Sailer, Kevin MacDonald vs. Eric Kauffman).

    5. With writers such as Taylor and MacDonald, VDare tends to publish their material that bears on immigration, whereas their more generally "nationalist" material appears at their own sites.

    6. VDare's few staff writers (Fulford and Kirkpatrick), focus mostly on immigration.

    7. VDare's "About" page, etc., present the site as an extension of Brimelow's book on immigration, Alien Nation.

    8. VDare is happy to publish non-white writers (Yeagley, Malkin) in support of its views.

    Altogether, this says to me that VDare would be more accurately described as "a clearinghouse for patriotic immigration reform, which does not discriminate against white nationalist or hard-right intellectuals when they agree with its views." Just to take our host for example, Sailer is on the record (against Taylor) in support of "citizenism" against both Taylor's white nationalism, and the "leapfrogging loyalties" of the globalist elite.

    None of that is inconsistent with it being a clearinghouse for the hard right and white nationalist perspective, with a focus on immigration. Many of its articles and blog posts have nothing to do with immigration, but all of them present the hard right or white nationalist perspective on issues.

  213. @candid_observer
    And one further point.


    There are clear indications that, for the left, Trump falls into the category of a Heretic, rather than that of an opposing politician.

    One telling sign is how they greet the points on which he would seem to agree with them: with increased fear and anger, rather than with any amelioration in their attitudes.

    Trump has expressed support for Affirmative Action; for gay rights; for Social Security and Medicare; for increased funding for infrastructure, and the creation of jobs that would entail. He has mostly rejected the rigid standards of the Religious Right, and seems as secular as any President we have had. All of these things the left has said for many years are key to their world view, and the vision of America they espouse.

    But Trump's positions on these issues are regarded with increasing fear, not with increasing acceptance.

    Why? Because they regard him as a Heretic: he has dared to deviate from the official dogma on the point of immigration, which can entail only an attitude of eager embrace. These other positions render him more dangerous a Heretic, precisely because he would seem to pass more readily as one who is Faithful. That's why they condemn him for his "populism" on the very positions they otherwise pretend to hold dear.

    Trump is as centrist a candidate as any Republican who has come onto the scene since before Reagan -- yet they detest him infinitely more than they have any candidate who has come onto the scene since before Reagan.

    For Trump is a Heretic; and the proper response to Heresy must be its extinction.

    The anti-Trump hysteria from the left is because they know that his style of politics is a much bigger threat to them politically than traditional GOP conservatism.

    Someone like Mitt Romney had no chance of winning over significant numbers of new voters for the Republican party. He was too religious for affluent Democrats, and too much of a vulture capitalist for downscale Democrats.

    Trump’s policies are way more appealing than anything any Republican candidate has offered in several decades. Trumpism could win over secular voters, gay voters, elderly voters concerned about their entitlements, working class voters concerned about trade, anti-war voters, etc. Over time it could even win over a portion of the black vote, if people see that reducing immigration increases jobs and wages in the black community.

    If Trump blows this election by making a bunch of stupid gaffes, it’ll be a tragic missed opportunity. The entire media is going to blame it all on Trump’s policy positions, and the GOP will probably go along with that narrative and nominate someone like Jeb Bush in 2020.

  214. @Jean Cocteausten

    I often hear Moldbug (is that a real name?) mentioned. As far as I know I’ve never read a single word he’s written.
     
    The trouble with Moldbug is that you have to read in 10,000 words what could have been expressed in 1,000.

    The glory of Moldbug is that you get to luxuriate in 10,000 words, instead of coming away still feeling hungry after a mere 1,000.

    He did his thing supremely well.

  215. @Dahlia
    I'm wondering what reach Spencer actually has given how much press he receives.

    Lawrence Auster laid into his site when it first came out, and it seemed to me that it would only have very narrow niche appeal. In short, I suspect that most of Spencer's readers read Steve, but not vice versa. But I haven't checked out the site since its debut and maybe totally wrong about all of this.

    Jared Taylor and American Renaissance is another story, predating Steve's internet adventures.

    Steve Sailer is the central figure of the Alt-Right. He organized it, gave it its character, and remains its central voice with his originality, creativity, and intelligence. I'm not sure why the media is focusing on people who exist alongside Steve (Brimelow, Taylor), but especially the focus on the remote outer reaches of Steve's influence confounds me: twitter trolls, 4chan, angry manosphere types like Forney, etc.

    It's probably for the best, haha, but most of the writing on the alt-Right is boring. Until I see a focus on Steve Sailer, with mentions of Gregory Cochran, Ron Unz, and, Lord have mercy, "Agnostic", I'm not interested, lol!

    Read the Joel Stein trolls piece in Time to see how the MSM is seeing the Overton Window being nudged. The article omits quite a lot of relevant references but that is to be expected. A few years ago, such an article wouldn’t have been published without a heavier focus on a parade of horribles, so that is some progress.

  216. @RadicalCenter
    We live in Los Angeles. Can't agree at all that Mexicans as a group are not threatening.

    We have Mexican-American friends who are fully assimilated, fluent English speakers, patriotic and loyal to America rather than Mexico, and not in favor of open borders and the destruction of traditional European-America.

    But our experience suggests that these people do NOT substantially outnumber the Mexican-"Americans" who range from indifferent to hostile to traditional America, to white people, and to English as our sole common language.

    Seconded.

  217. @DWB
    France has been under a state of emergency since November of 2015 (the murderous rampage). Prime Minster Manuel Valls has had it extended each time it was nearing its end since.

    We were living in France the past few years, and experienced the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Paris for a long time has had security measures in place that Americans would find odd - closed circuit cameras virtually everywhere, armed soldiers patrolling the trains, the removal of enclosed trash bins. It was not uncommon to see paramilitary police throughout the city. The current situation takes things to a new level.

    Worse still, Valls - following the attacks in Nice, declared that terrorism has been a "daily" part of French life for a long time, and that the French people will have to learn to live with terrorism.

    "On pourrait refuser de voir la réalité en face, oublier, passer à autre chose, mais je dois la vérité aux Français: le terrorisme fait partie de notre quotidien pour longtemps".


    http://www.canalfrance.info/NICE-Manuel-Valls-La-France-va-devoir-vivre-avec-le-terrorisme_a7210.html

    It's insane.

    mais je dois la vérité aux Français

    but I owe the truth to the French people…

    Who in Washington DC believes, let alone says, that they owe the truth to the American people? Rare few, and they are all dead.

    • Replies: @DWB
    Indeed; Valls is a complex political character. At times, he is willing to say out loud what common French people are thinking (despite the irony of being born in Spain). There was a mild 'scandal' a couple of years ago where an illegal immigrant Rom kid (what Americans call 'gypsies') who was pulled from a field trip and deported with her family.

    After a lot of hew and cry, Hollande waffled, but Valls stood firm. arguing that to be "sentimental" is foolish, and that people who cannot be integrated into French society should be sent home. In his own words "Nous ne sommes pas là pour les accueillir" (we are not here to welcome them).

    "Bizarrely," 2/3 of the French in polls at the time supported Valls....
  218. @ogunsiron
    I've been putting more thought into signaling that i am NOT antiwhite, these days (I'm a black male).
    I'm gonna be traveling in Europe in the next few months and I intend to wear stuff with visible runes and medieval motifs. I have one quasi-NSBM* shirt and I think I'll be wearing it. I've always been into that stuff but I'm feeling that it's more urgent for me to outwardly signal that I am not onboard with the war on white people. Hopefully no one mistakes me for a refugee.

    Hey, please take care of yourself. This might seem a bit extreme, but there actually are some parts of Europe (mostly the more Eastern ones, in my own country especially the former East Germany) where violent neo-Nazi skinhead types are not totally uncommon. And the general mood has become rather tense due to the refugee situation. Not saying you shouldn’t come, but please be aware of your surroundings and don’t think some fascist shirt will garner you sympathy from nazi thugs (they might even believe you’re intentionally mocking them).

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    Hey,
    I've always stayed away from actual skinheads but I have years of experience with metalheads.
    In the past I've been confident that I could handle most situations but with the refugee situation i'm afraid the situation has become much more tense. Very unfortunate. My experiences have all been in Germany and other western european countries. I would not try mingling with blackmetal fans in Russia or Poland! Thanks for the advice though!
  219. DWB says: • Website
    @Ivy

    mais je dois la vérité aux Français
     
    but I owe the truth to the French people...

    Who in Washington DC believes, let alone says, that they owe the truth to the American people? Rare few, and they are all dead.

    Indeed; Valls is a complex political character. At times, he is willing to say out loud what common French people are thinking (despite the irony of being born in Spain). There was a mild ‘scandal’ a couple of years ago where an illegal immigrant Rom kid (what Americans call ‘gypsies’) who was pulled from a field trip and deported with her family.

    After a lot of hew and cry, Hollande waffled, but Valls stood firm. arguing that to be “sentimental” is foolish, and that people who cannot be integrated into French society should be sent home. In his own words “Nous ne sommes pas là pour les accueillir” (we are not here to welcome them).

    “Bizarrely,” 2/3 of the French in polls at the time supported Valls….

  220. @RadicalCenter
    Agree except for two things.

    First, the notion that Europeans not having children is alright. It's suicide for them and their nations, depriving us of the voters, teachers, innovators, cultural expounders, and if need be FIGHTERS, that we will need to survive at all in the near future.

    Second, that estimate of the cost of raising kids was overblown then and probably even now, years later. One of the largest components of that inflated estimate, if not the largest, is university education. Parents and the kids themselves unnecessarily and foolishly attend exorbitant private universities or out-of-state government universities.

    Attending in-state university slashes that supposedly unavoidable cost of raising children. So does the college student living at home for a year or two if at all possible. So does attending a very inexpensive community college for at least the first two years, which is a perfectly suitable option for many, perhaps most people.

    Raising kids is a big financial sacrifice, to be sure, and government taxes and policies surely make it much harder than it needs to be. But let's stop exaggerating which expenses of childrearing are truly "necessary."

    Of course: the population of say, Finland has not gone down; it has tripled since 1945. Finnish couples are still having 2+ children, and, bigger families are in. Finland is a very insular society compared to the other Nordic countries or N.E. in general. Out of all the northern countries, the migrants are least comfortable in Finland. Finnish men are unpredictable (propensity for violence or “hitting/knifing back if attacked.”), and, this has been their reputation for 500 years. Of course, the Finns invented the Molotov cocktail…they know vodka and they knew when they had to fight the Bosheviks with their bare hands and random farmer’s tools until Germany sold them weapons in WW2/round 2 of fighting the Russians again. Molotov cocktails were used to throw inside the Russian tanks when Finnish sniper ski patrols came upon them. I can’t show photos.

    Of course, I do know how college costs can be brought down but, a lot of 1st generation students (of parents who earn just more than the cut off from qualifying for federal financial aid – 130K for 4 is the cut-off) do not know this. They are coerced to take out giant loans under the guise of “it’s an investment!”

    The high cost of child raising also comes from parents who have mediocre health plans, and, then, whoah, they have a difficult pregnancy. I have 3 sons (2 college kids) so, yeah, I don’t dispute that costs could be lower, but you have to be very savvy with a very driven student so the cost of college doesn’t balloon into 6 figures.

  221. @Perplexed
    For several years Trump had a staffer listen to talk-radio callers and report back. Market research. He knew what people were concerned about.

    This is the supposed genesis of Trump campaign.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/present-at-the-creation/article/2001406

  222. Steve Sailer

    “…If we don’t, though, we’ll become Rio with worse weather and scenery.”

    Rio de Janeiro has the World’s 30th largest GDP. That is, the city of Rio de Janeiro has a larger GDP than over 90% of the nations of the World. So, I don’t understand exactly what you’re trying to state here.

    If you mean the massive poverty in the city, the shanty towns in the hills of the city, that is not Rio’s fault. Literally millions of the country’s poorest people from the country’s poorest parts migrated over the decades to Rio. Rio was actually at one point one of rhe most impressive cities in the World. Remember that at one point Rio was the capital of an European empire, a unique honor in the Americas. Here are some images of Rio in the past:

    https://youtu.be/tMeJbYzsBms

    You need to understand that the colonization of Brazil, and the concomitant political institutions, traditions and mentality of the population, were inherently different from U.S.A’s. In the U.S, a bunch of pious religious Englishmen came with their families to built a Society on the princibples of representation, industry, individual responsability and legal accountability. In Brazil, a bunch of Portuguese criminala and thugs came to rape the women and pillage as much from the land as they could to return to the Old World bathed in riches. I don’t understand why you even compare the two countries. Apples and oranges. American got literally a 200 year head start on Brazil due to the type of colonizers it got.

    What is killing First World societies is not immigration, which is actualy helping these countries by offering competitive wages that entice businesses to stay instead of moving to the Third Word and by allowing Americans to purchase services they couldn’t afford if those services were provided by workers receiving First World wages, but the lack of investment in it’s human capital. And I am talking about white Americans here. How many white Americans are becoming engineers and doctors compared to Indians and east Asians? When I was in America and I broek my arm in an accident and had to go to the hospital, there wasn’t a single white American there except for a middle-aged nurse. All the doctors that tended to me were non-white, from the Korean-born orthopedist to the Sikh G.P who evaluated me latter. White Americans are becoming a people of blue-collar workers and serval jobs. How many white Americans really push their kids to excel in academics? It seems like all white Americans want their sons to become NFL players and their daughters to get a communication degree and try to marry a rich guy. I see all these white American guys and they are all obsessed with sports and that their sons become good at sports. That is a terrible strategy for success in life because “showy” jobs like entertainment and sports reward only EXTREME talent. No one is going to pay to watch high-school level football players, or band players. You pay to watch Tom Brady or John Lenon. The great thing about academics is that you don’t need to be exceptional. Be at the top 10% in terms of better education and you eanr 10 X more than the average guy. But white Americans seem to have forgotten this simple truth.

    • Replies: @Some Economist

    If you mean the massive poverty in the city, the shanty towns in the hills of the city, that is not Rio’s fault. Literally millions of the country’s poorest people from the country’s poorest parts migrated over the decades to Rio.

     

    So you do understand. Poor people from the world's poorest countries have migrated to the US, pushing it to become a place of both extreme poverty (mostly brown) and wealth (elite whites). The US is becoming like Brazil, consisting of classes of people that never interact instead of what was once a more coherent culture. Perhaps because you are from Brazil and, as you say, the two countries have very different histories, you cannot possibly see the tragedy that has been forced on America without anyone's consent.

    What is killing First World societies is not immigration, which is actualy helping these countries by offering competitive wages that entice businesses to stay instead of moving to the Third Word and by allowing Americans to purchase services they couldn’t afford if those services were provided by workers receiving First World wages, but the lack of investment in it’s human capital.
     
    So First World wages move towards Third World Wages and we get to live among millions of strangers who are, with a few exceptions, cold to our culture. But we can get cheaper vegetable peelers and televisions at Walmart. Hmm... where do I sign up? Oh, someone else signed up for me decades ago? Great!

    When I was in America and I broek my arm in an accident and had to go to the hospital, there wasn’t a single white American there except for a middle-aged nurse.
     
    Funny example. The American Medical Association attempts to keep wages First World high by restricting medical school slots in the US. But then they're undercut by people who went to medical school in India.
  223. @German_reader
    Hey, please take care of yourself. This might seem a bit extreme, but there actually are some parts of Europe (mostly the more Eastern ones, in my own country especially the former East Germany) where violent neo-Nazi skinhead types are not totally uncommon. And the general mood has become rather tense due to the refugee situation. Not saying you shouldn't come, but please be aware of your surroundings and don't think some fascist shirt will garner you sympathy from nazi thugs (they might even believe you're intentionally mocking them).

    Hey,
    I’ve always stayed away from actual skinheads but I have years of experience with metalheads.
    In the past I’ve been confident that I could handle most situations but with the refugee situation i’m afraid the situation has become much more tense. Very unfortunate. My experiences have all been in Germany and other western european countries. I would not try mingling with blackmetal fans in Russia or Poland! Thanks for the advice though!

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't think you'd get into trouble in Hungary, violent crime is low, but as in any foreign country, you'd need situational awareness, stay clear of football hooligans (especially if they're drunk) and Gypsies (both of them are usually harmless, to blacks as to anyone else, but better to avoid them). If you are into metal music, metalheads will like you no matter what, Hungarian metalheads are usually anti-racists anyway, but there's a more nationalistic metalhead subculture as well. I don't think they'd hurt you, especially not if you like the Hungarian metal bands (mostly shitty or mediocre) that they like, too.
  224. @RadicalCenter
    As an aside, should single men really object to a flood of illegal alien WOMEN from Russia and Poland? ;)

    The San Bernardino hapless sidekick Enrique had a Russian ‘wife’ fling that didn’t work out very well.

  225. @DWB
    Steve - I think that the Masters of the Universe, sensing a crushing victory for Herself, are not even trying to hide their contempt anymore.

    Last night, on the way home, I was listening to NPR (Yes; I know, so don't bother with snide comments), and on it was a guy called Michael Kimmel, professor of sociology at SUNY-Stony Brook. He wrote a book a couple of years ago called "Angry White Men," and he was crowing in the interview about how prescient he was in describing the rise of Trump.

    Here is a synopsis of ther interview:

    https://www.marketplace.org/2016/08/12/elections/angry-white-men-love-trump-and-heres-why


    Our society and economy has rapidly changed over the past few decades, and they’ve watched their way of life crumble. Their jobs are gone and they can no longer afford to send their kids to college. At the same time, their "silent majority" is disappearing as the American populous rapidly becomes more diverse, and the people who were once disenfranchised minorities are granted a leg up. The men who bought into the American Dream are now frustrated that the social contract they felt entitled too (sic)has been broken and that they have been forgotten.
     
    (emphasis added)

    He used the word "entitled" over and over again - but always about Americans who, in his own words, followed the laws, did their work, and "bought into" the American dream (as if this was somehow a bad thing).

    Never - not once - did he hint at all at the irony that many advocates for immigration "reform" central argument is how the illegals have lived in this country, worked, and are thus implicitly entitled to a path to permanent residency.

    You see - Americans who have broken no laws but expect that their government will actually uphold its end of the bargain are somehow wrongly feeling "entitled," but that suggesting that foreigners who by definition have flouted our laws ought not to be here is racist.

    It's madness.

    In the end, this professor gleefully described how globalisation is inevitable, how these people are shrinking, and eventually will just be crushed by it.

    His opening even touches on the various cliches that the "cosmopolitans" always fall back on:


    In the great new multicultural American mosaic, they’re the bland white background that no one pays any attention to, the store-bought white bread in a culture of bagels, tortillas, wontons, and organic whole-grain designer scones
     
    The implicit slur about "bland white bread," and the benefits of exotic, foreign foods. He tosses in (for good measure) the apocryphal story os people shouting racial slurs at congressmen (a charge made at the Obama administration that has, as far as I know, never been backed up by a single iota of evidence).

    “professor of sociology at SUNY-Stony Brook” is the honorific bestowed on a third assistant junior flunkey of the [very] provincial wing of the ruling class.

    In imperial Roman society his counterpart would have been the Assistant Deputy Scribe and Floor Cleaner to the Chief Tax Farmer of some village in Dalmatia.

    Not that I would knock the latter position- whatever puts food on the table and keeps one from being 5 second bait for the lions.

  226. @ogunsiron
    Scott Locklin
    ----
    It's in a Scott Locklin comment at Taki that I first heard about the pol/4chan kids. That could have been about 4 years ago. I didn't investigate much. Then I heard again about 4chan whent he gamergate controversy got going and that eventually led me to the TRS world. I'm kind of hooked ont he TRS stuff.

    The Chans have been heavily involved in the hacker/Anonymous world for a long time. Any book about hacking and hackers eventually mentions Chan involvement.

  227. @Dahlia
    It's weird to read Weigel, et al., write about the "alt-right". Perhaps to long-time readers here, too?

    To me, the "Steveosphere" is central, the core of which is Steve, some of the GNXP guys (Greg, Agnostic, and to a lesser extent, Razib) and Ron.
    Am I wrong in thinking that Steve and the aforementioned have far more influence than the other people commonly mentioned in these articles?

    Weigel’s beat for many years, dating before his time at Reason magazine, is to (1) read non mainstream right win media, & (2) condense and synthesize it.

    In this, Wiegel acts almost as an editor, editing out the assumptions, strongest points, and best arguments, and presents a strawman that the other columnists at this post can knock down (or, maybe in this case, a strawman for Hillary Herself since her #altrightspeech is supposed to be on Thursday)

    Steve’s response to Wiegel was good enough for a Post column, why shouldn’t the Post just present Steve instead?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    In science fiction writer Larry Niven's worlds, there's a violent, constantly warring alien race called the Kzin. In their interactions with other alien cultures, the have a group of diplomatic sorts that are called "Speaker To Animals".

    That's Weigel's job. The other true lefties don't have to soil their hands talking to the likes of Steve.
  228. @The Man From K Street
    N.B. Anne Applebaum has no problem agitating in favor of reprehensible men if her personal (read: her husband's) interests so dictate.

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.

    Not a statutory rapist. A rapist. He drugged a 12-year-old girl and raped her.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Anally raped her even while she said no over and over again. A good director but a POS as a human being.
  229. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer

    "...If we don’t, though, we’ll become Rio with worse weather and scenery."

    Rio de Janeiro has the World's 30th largest GDP. That is, the city of Rio de Janeiro has a larger GDP than over 90% of the nations of the World. So, I don't understand exactly what you're trying to state here.

    If you mean the massive poverty in the city, the shanty towns in the hills of the city, that is not Rio's fault. Literally millions of the country's poorest people from the country's poorest parts migrated over the decades to Rio. Rio was actually at one point one of rhe most impressive cities in the World. Remember that at one point Rio was the capital of an European empire, a unique honor in the Americas. Here are some images of Rio in the past: https://youtu.be/IrpyzlAVTtE https://youtu.be/tMeJbYzsBms https://youtu.be/qWrwI7EBpCU

    You need to understand that the colonization of Brazil, and the concomitant political institutions, traditions and mentality of the population, were inherently different from U.S.A's. In the U.S, a bunch of pious religious Englishmen came with their families to built a Society on the princibples of representation, industry, individual responsability and legal accountability. In Brazil, a bunch of Portuguese criminala and thugs came to rape the women and pillage as much from the land as they could to return to the Old World bathed in riches. I don't understand why you even compare the two countries. Apples and oranges. American got literally a 200 year head start on Brazil due to the type of colonizers it got.

    What is killing First World societies is not immigration, which is actualy helping these countries by offering competitive wages that entice businesses to stay instead of moving to the Third Word and by allowing Americans to purchase services they couldn't afford if those services were provided by workers receiving First World wages, but the lack of investment in it's human capital. And I am talking about white Americans here. How many white Americans are becoming engineers and doctors compared to Indians and east Asians? When I was in America and I broek my arm in an accident and had to go to the hospital, there wasn't a single white American there except for a middle-aged nurse. All the doctors that tended to me were non-white, from the Korean-born orthopedist to the Sikh G.P who evaluated me latter. White Americans are becoming a people of blue-collar workers and serval jobs. How many white Americans really push their kids to excel in academics? It seems like all white Americans want their sons to become NFL players and their daughters to get a communication degree and try to marry a rich guy. I see all these white American guys and they are all obsessed with sports and that their sons become good at sports. That is a terrible strategy for success in life because "showy" jobs like entertainment and sports reward only EXTREME talent. No one is going to pay to watch high-school level football players, or band players. You pay to watch Tom Brady or John Lenon. The great thing about academics is that you don't need to be exceptional. Be at the top 10% in terms of better education and you eanr 10 X more than the average guy. But white Americans seem to have forgotten this simple truth.

    If you mean the massive poverty in the city, the shanty towns in the hills of the city, that is not Rio’s fault. Literally millions of the country’s poorest people from the country’s poorest parts migrated over the decades to Rio.

    So you do understand. Poor people from the world’s poorest countries have migrated to the US, pushing it to become a place of both extreme poverty (mostly brown) and wealth (elite whites). The US is becoming like Brazil, consisting of classes of people that never interact instead of what was once a more coherent culture. Perhaps because you are from Brazil and, as you say, the two countries have very different histories, you cannot possibly see the tragedy that has been forced on America without anyone’s consent.

    What is killing First World societies is not immigration, which is actualy helping these countries by offering competitive wages that entice businesses to stay instead of moving to the Third Word and by allowing Americans to purchase services they couldn’t afford if those services were provided by workers receiving First World wages, but the lack of investment in it’s human capital.

    So First World wages move towards Third World Wages and we get to live among millions of strangers who are, with a few exceptions, cold to our culture. But we can get cheaper vegetable peelers and televisions at Walmart. Hmm… where do I sign up? Oh, someone else signed up for me decades ago? Great!

    When I was in America and I broek my arm in an accident and had to go to the hospital, there wasn’t a single white American there except for a middle-aged nurse.

    Funny example. The American Medical Association attempts to keep wages First World high by restricting medical school slots in the US. But then they’re undercut by people who went to medical school in India.

  230. @ogunsiron
    Hey,
    I've always stayed away from actual skinheads but I have years of experience with metalheads.
    In the past I've been confident that I could handle most situations but with the refugee situation i'm afraid the situation has become much more tense. Very unfortunate. My experiences have all been in Germany and other western european countries. I would not try mingling with blackmetal fans in Russia or Poland! Thanks for the advice though!

    I wouldn’t think you’d get into trouble in Hungary, violent crime is low, but as in any foreign country, you’d need situational awareness, stay clear of football hooligans (especially if they’re drunk) and Gypsies (both of them are usually harmless, to blacks as to anyone else, but better to avoid them). If you are into metal music, metalheads will like you no matter what, Hungarian metalheads are usually anti-racists anyway, but there’s a more nationalistic metalhead subculture as well. I don’t think they’d hurt you, especially not if you like the Hungarian metal bands (mostly shitty or mediocre) that they like, too.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    I have enough european experience to know that Gypsies are to be strenuously and assiduously avoided. Mostly for the health of my wallet but probably for general health reasons too. About the hungarian scene, I didn't know that aspect of it. Thanks for the info. I could tell them that I love Attila from Mayhem (for real). He's probably the most famous hungarian metalhead.
  231. @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't think you'd get into trouble in Hungary, violent crime is low, but as in any foreign country, you'd need situational awareness, stay clear of football hooligans (especially if they're drunk) and Gypsies (both of them are usually harmless, to blacks as to anyone else, but better to avoid them). If you are into metal music, metalheads will like you no matter what, Hungarian metalheads are usually anti-racists anyway, but there's a more nationalistic metalhead subculture as well. I don't think they'd hurt you, especially not if you like the Hungarian metal bands (mostly shitty or mediocre) that they like, too.

    I have enough european experience to know that Gypsies are to be strenuously and assiduously avoided. Mostly for the health of my wallet but probably for general health reasons too. About the hungarian scene, I didn’t know that aspect of it. Thanks for the info. I could tell them that I love Attila from Mayhem (for real). He’s probably the most famous hungarian metalhead.

  232. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    There are certain parallels between what Hillary Clinton would like to do and what the Peron (especially Eva) did ... haven't read the book, but D'Souza makes an apt description in his movie Hillary's America ...

    I don’t know about that . Really the only parallel between Hillary and Evita that I can think of is that they are both whores .

  233. @ben tillman

    Just ask statutory rapist Roman Polanski.
     
    Not a statutory rapist. A rapist. He drugged a 12-year-old girl and raped her.

    Anally raped her even while she said no over and over again. A good director but a POS as a human being.

  234. Some economist:

    “So you do understand. Poor people from the world’s poorest countries have migrated to the US, pushing it to become a place of both extreme poverty (mostly brown) and wealth (elite whites). The US is becoming like Brazil, consisting of classes of people that never interact instead of what was once a more coherent culture.”

    But the situations are not comparable because Rio has received literally three times more migrants from 1960 to today than the city’s population in 1960. That would be the equivalent of America receiving 700 million Third World immigrants from 1980 to today, which has definitely not happened. The total number of Third Wordlers that entered the U.S since 1980 is about 45 million. That is proportionally only 7% of what Rio received. Also, although Rio was comparable in wealth to an European capital of that time, America is even richer. So there is no comparison.

    “Perhaps because you are from Brazil and, as you say, the two countries have very different histories, you cannot possibly see the tragedy that has been forced on America without anyone’s consent.”

    Sure, it is a tragedy. But remember that this is mostly America’s own fault. America has destabilized and made worse a lot of societies thrroughout the World. American corporations enter these societies and often make them even poorer and more unequal than before. When has America moved a finger to help the Third World out of selflessness? Never. At least Germans go around the World building schools and hospitals and teaching basic technical skills to Third World countries. Americans only enter a country with Marines, and only to open a new market for American corporations. They destablize local politics, destroy the fabric of the Scoiety, cause massive social inequality and don’t reinvest any of the profits in the country. Then, the Third Worlder watches a Hollywood film showing Americans relaxing at home enjoying their plasma T.Vs that the Third Worlders built(but could never afford) and with 3 cars in the garage, and he decides he wants that for himself. You can’t blame them for having these human feelings.

    “So First World wages move towards Third World Wages and we get to live among millions of strangers who are, with a few exceptions, cold to our culture. But we can get cheaper vegetable peelers and televisions at Walmart. Hmm… where do I sign up? Oh, someone else signed up for me decades ago? Great!”

    But Americans DID sign up. Americans agree with immigration every time they are happy to pay $9.99 for a product that would otherwise cost $99.99 if made by native-born workers earning American salaries. I have said before: the problem with economic “citizenism” is that most people don’t care that much about fellow citizens to open their pockets for them. When it comes to financial sacrifices, people often only agree when it comes to VERY close kin. Say, a brother or a son. Even cousins are told to fend for themselves when they fall on hard times. Trying to get people to agree playing more for goods and services so that low-skilled fellow citizens can earn decent wages is expecting an unrealistic level of altruism from people.

    .”Funny example. The American Medical Association attempts to keep wages First World high by restricting medical school slots in the US. But then they’re undercut by people who went to medical school in India.”

    Again, people always want to pay less for more. It’s human nature. But doctors don’t really need that much protectionism because they have supply and demand on their side. Not everone is willing/able to become an M.D. Doctors tend to be bright guys who on top of that study like mad men for a decade or more to earn their degrees. Not everyone can become a doctor. Their labor is valuable because it’s scarce. You cannot compare that to lettuce pickers.

  235. @Rotten
    Weigel's beat for many years, dating before his time at Reason magazine, is to (1) read non mainstream right win media, & (2) condense and synthesize it.

    In this, Wiegel acts almost as an editor, editing out the assumptions, strongest points, and best arguments, and presents a strawman that the other columnists at this post can knock down (or, maybe in this case, a strawman for Hillary Herself since her #altrightspeech is supposed to be on Thursday)

    Steve's response to Wiegel was good enough for a Post column, why shouldn't the Post just present Steve instead?

    In science fiction writer Larry Niven’s worlds, there’s a violent, constantly warring alien race called the Kzin. In their interactions with other alien cultures, the have a group of diplomatic sorts that are called “Speaker To Animals”.

    That’s Weigel’s job. The other true lefties don’t have to soil their hands talking to the likes of Steve.

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