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From the New York Times opinion section, yet another essay by a woman on the joys of hate (as long as the Hated are below her in the intersectional pecking order to ensure that she is Punching Up):

I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now

In which an Irish woman discovers how little the people who shaped her country’s fate know or care.

By Megan Nolan
Ms. Nolan is an Irish writer based in London.

Oct. 18, 2018

This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths.

Last month, some video footage went viral in Ireland of a group of English men verbally abusing young women at a Dublin housing crisis protest.

… “The footage shows a man verbally abusing protesters, before the head of a decapitated pigeon is thrown,” but no explanation was forthcoming. Why did the man throw a pigeon head at the protesters? More important, why was he carrying one in his pocket, ready, seemingly, to be launched as soon as a worthy adversary appeared?

Let me guess … hmmhhmm … it involved English tourists and the city of Dublin … okay, I’ve got it! Here’s my solution to the Decapitated Pigeon mystery: Drink was taken.

But stranger still — or perhaps, upon reflection, not strange at all — was the gap between the English and the Irish when it came to interpreting the Pigeon Incident. While Irish people complained on Twitter about these brash bird-head-wielding English tourists coming to our country and performing their odd little colonial pantomime, sensitive Britons were eager to ask why it mattered that the men were English. They’re just louts, they said. Why does it matter where they’re from? After all, all that occupation business was so long ago.

But the Irish woman who “is based” in London has a reason for growing in hate of the English: they don’t pay enough attention to the Irish, such as, well, her:

… The extent to which many English people are ignorant about Ireland has become painfully clear. …

In the midst of all this, I’ve noticed a tonal shift in the way I and other Irish people speak about the English. Our anger is more sincere. We are more ready to call them out on all those centuries of excess, more likely to object to those pink-trousered, pink-faced dinosaurs who still perceive us as their inferiors. I found myself genuinely breathless with anger

Women op-ed writers seem to be competing lately for the most alarmingly physical descriptions of their anger: e.g., Minutes after Kavanaugh was confirmed, the paramedics declared me legally dead from rage-induced coronary thrombosis. I only came out of the coma this morning and immediately began typing this op-ed.

when I read the Conservative M.P. Andrew Bridgen’s recent comments assuming he would be entitled to an Irish passport post-Brexit. …

But I don’t find it funny anymore, how they think of us — or often, how they don’t bother to think of us at all.

Pay attention to me!

I’ve lived in London for three years. I hadn’t spent much time in Britain before my arrival and had no particular feelings toward the English. I expected them to react to me with similar neutrality. What I didn’t expect was the toxic mix of dismissal and casual disdain. It would have been easier, perhaps, if it was all as overt as potato jokes. But what kills you is the ignorance; what grinds you down is how much they don’t know about the past and, if they do know, how little they care.

Pay attention to me!

Well, at least they didn’t ask to touch her hair.

 
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  1. You can tell a lot about someone from their enemies.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Yes, within my personal life there are those whom I am proud to call my enemy.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    The ignored outsider female in London who hates, hates, hates the middle-aged Brit for paying her no mind was well ingrained in the English mind more than six decades ago, by the 20 year-old Julie Andrews in this immortal role:

    https://youtu.be/1D6NRyratoo
  2. Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there’s an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position. If it indeed is and not just hers.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, Brexit will bring back a harder border that the locals had come to treat as being as invisible as possible. It's too bad. I remember going through it as a kid and was pleasantly surprised to see how quickly it disappeared after the Good Friday Agreement. My father and his generation remember it being far less of a big deal before the Troubles and were happy to see it go again. My aunt lives in London but doesn't much like Brexit because of the way it buggers up the border and potentially her banking.
    , @LondonBob
    Astonishingly Irish people were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, that halfwit Cameron even campaigned with the Irish President encouraging them to vote and vote for Remain.

    Us leaving the EU has once again reminded the Irish that they are an economic vassal of Britain, they will be hardest hit by Brexit. The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Nothing but old-fashioned scolds with degrees in whining from Little Bo Peep U.: petulance finishing school. Complaints of the technologically privileged, all provided by toxic masculinity. Bring back the ducking stool.
  3. Imagine moving to a World Capital and all the people there don’t immediately focus upon you and your many irritating identity issues! I mean, I can’t even.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    LOL! Great comment! BTW - This story of a whiny Irish broad bitching about living in London reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly "climbed" the Statue of Liberty. In actuality she could not climb past Lady Liberty's big toe.

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/04/woman-climbs-statue-of-liberty-as-protesters-busted-for-abolish-ice-banner/

  4. On my father’s side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Your father definitely got around. Mad props.
    , @Jay Ritchie
    "On my father’s side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?"

    You are missing the magic ingredient. Just one small dose of minority DNA could get you an affirmative action job. Try a more aggressive testing service. Or just make it up.
    , @tyrone
    No American Indian parts ? no special treatment for you , poor Devil………and hideously white.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    How many of the Irish and Scots were Catholic, or Calvinist? You could end up punching yourself in the face.
  5. She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    "She can move back to Ireland I assume"

    That never seems to be an option on the table for some reason. Instead, if they have a visa rejected they react like their life is being ruined. Shouldn't they seek their freedom by leaving?
    , @HA
    "She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow."

    I suspect there are large portions of the Irish population she's not too thrilled with, either.

    , @Joe Walker
    How about the English move back to Germany?
  6. I’m not touching this one with a barge pole. I can hear the Internet WASPs buzzing already. (((Goldylocks))) has eaten your porridge and is sleeping in your bed but at least you can still be rude about the Irish online.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I was sort of hoping a commenter would do the work to replace 'English' with 'Jewish' as a work of satire. (I suppose were it published on the main page, it'd be indistinguishable as such though.)
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Get back on the boat, Paddy.
  7. It says a lot about this place that you people don’t see the utility in hating g white supremacy

    If yuh read the article is quite apparent that the aouthoress sangry with entitled white males

    One English demographics change and Men of Color take their rightful place England will be a good place

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    Nano Duck, I can tell that you hate English, the language, as well.
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys......


    Once I tooked my riteful place behinds yous I put little Lendnerp ins a good place!

    Lendspert “I’m a luver notz a fighter” pibbtz
  8. This one was already done by Trainspotting. And I’m sure Whiskey or somebody would love to explain how women HATE HATE HATE being colonized by wankers.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I chanced a gander at this, and immediately wished I hadn't bothered.

    You know a film is bad when it puts long and grammatically accurate sentences into the mouths of working class louts (and Scottish ones at that) who are in fact incapable of stringing even three words together coherently.

    The Irish, at least, do have the gift of the gab.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    Plooky wee nyaff. Get back ti Muirhouse Green.
  9. “I expected them to react to me with similar neutrality. What I didn’t expect was the toxic mix of dismissal and casual disdain.”

    Fer cryin’ out loud. She’s in one of the world’s largest cities (of which half the populace are alien Pakistani, Jamaican etc.). Dismissal and casual disdain are the default settings in any city. The reason sensitive souls move to small towns is because, in the cities, nobody gives a sh*t about you.

    “But what kills you is the ignorance…” Umm, that’s the default setting of humanity too. It’s not unique to London. Many big city dwellers are the least worldly people on the planet. They know nothing but their square mile of turf.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.
    , @CP
    Couldn’t agree more. Most of us (“native” white) Brits (including myself) are part Irish anyway. Also, it is time the authoress herself took some history lessons. In the early history of these islands, it was ALWAYS Irish based tribes or groups invading Wales and England. The first “English” invasions of Ireland were carried out by England based Normans - who had invaded England, and later Wales, from Normandy in France. The dynasty that invaded Ireland was not English. And they attacked Ireland because Irish based groups were habitually attacking England, as well as offering assistance and bases to continental (usually French) would be invaders of England.
  10. I wonder why people don’t hang on her every word?

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    I can already hear her lectures on the patriarchy, delivered in a clipped, librarian-esque brogue and disdainful of any man not Colin Firth or a young Hugh Grant or Jude Law.

    Breaks my heart.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    She does have the obligatory nose ring, the ultimate token of subservience, so that she can be led around with actually assenting to the leading. Taking on the status of a cow is astonishing. What will be next? Will Megan Nolan 'walk' around with nothing but chaps and her hands grabbing her ankles? Will there be takers?
    , @Trevor H.
    Smug, entitled, closed-minded. Great combo.
    , @Bubba
    LOL! And the Becky is culturally appropriating a nose ring! Wait until the sistas' get hold of her and show her who is boss!
    , @Chrisnonymous
    She is not so bad. That's a purposefully haughty photo, and even then her lips are very nice.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0mArrtJW_400x400.jpg
    , @Anon
    The nose ring and her pronounced prognathism are not attractive. That's a head which is too small for its mouth, which is a metaphor for her personality.
    , @David Davenport
    Is that photo Megan Nolan? Her nose ring speaks loudly.

    It says, "More trouble than she's worth, even if her face is pretty."
    , @Kylie
    They're afraid she's about to sneeze?
    , @Clyde
    That nose ring? Nothing says, "I am a certified dumbass", like a nose ring. If she made a small effort she is probably good looking.
    , @tyrone
    Nose rings are used for recalcitrant animals , don't want to be thought of as a haughty cow ,do we?
    , @Thirdtwin
    I'm assuming she's not married. Hoping, even.

    Young men, please stop here and listen,
    And pray that ye listen well.
    That nose ring may beckon and glisten,
    But it leads straight to Vicky Bissell.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Ten comments already, but I can't let slide an opportunity to sneer at the cow ring in her nose.
  11. Pay attention to me!

    Ok, make me a sandwich.

    … Oppressor!

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    Bring my slippers and a glass of single malt, bog trotter!
  12. Ms Nolan should display some understanding/pity toward Ireland’s eastern neighbors, since they have yet to recover fully from their empire’s dismantling by her forbears.

  13. “This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths.”

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers “staccato grievance commentary”™ about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can’t hear me? JHFC.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @theoldnorth
    You are sort of the middlebrow Tiny Duck, right?
    , @kaganovitch
    You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right? Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet . Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies? Nah, you're Corvinus.
    , @syonredux

    This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths.”

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece
     

    Does the NYTIMES routinely run opinion pieces by Alt-Right authors?
    , @Anonymous
    I did not notice. Please name several such alt right authors. All such pieces I see are sailer providing instances of sailer's law for our amusement.
    , @Pat Hannagan
    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers “staccato grievance commentary”™ about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Well summised!.

    Steve just hates the Irish, though. It's as simple as that.

    , @anonymous

    ...about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.
     
    It's in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?
    , @obwandiyag
    Great point! These "people" dig out one of these articles every other day, each time exhibiting as it the ultimate stigmata of the Millennium. And then the Barbarians never come. But they never do realize that they are the Barbarians. And wouldn't know poetry if it bit them, either, just incidentally.
  14. I expected neutrality but not ignorance. I expected a studied, deeply versed indifference.

  15. @Fredrik
    Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there's an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position. If it indeed is and not just hers.

    Yes, Brexit will bring back a harder border that the locals had come to treat as being as invisible as possible. It’s too bad. I remember going through it as a kid and was pleasantly surprised to see how quickly it disappeared after the Good Friday Agreement. My father and his generation remember it being far less of a big deal before the Troubles and were happy to see it go again. My aunt lives in London but doesn’t much like Brexit because of the way it buggers up the border and potentially her banking.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    The border was pretty theoretical 1922-1960s until the Troubles. In fact the border was far harder when both UK and Ireland were in the EEC/EU.

    I strongly suspect that the EU faction is making the 'hard border' issue purely to create trouble.

    Also from 1922 onward Irish citizens have pretty much been able to settle in (and vote) in the UK but many younger ones seem to think this is to do with the EU. Thus the EU is their benefactor. A belief TPTB are in no hurry to correct.
  16. When I was a schoolboy in Dublin we would get discounted tickets for the Five Nations Rugby matches at old Lansdowne Road on Saturdays in the standing room area at either end of the pitch. One Saturday the Scots were the visiting side, and their supporters accompanied them to Dublin and into Lansdowne Road. Scots supporters near universally wore kilts as a show of national pride. As I recall the Irish were up 6-3 well into the second half, but the Scots managed to tie with a late penalty kick for a 6-6 final score. At the conclusion of the match, scores of the Scots simply lifted their kilts and pissed where they stood in a sort of celebration of the late tie, steaming streams of urine running all over the place, down the steps of the stands with attendees attempting to exit. Right in plain view of (few) women and children they did it.

    In those days a video camera was a great big unwieldy contraption, and photographs were taken by purpose-specific machines that only weirdos would cart around except at special occasions. But this seems to me a thing which had it been captured on film would have been a bigger deal than this pigeon incident in today’s outrage-as-hobby times.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Which decade was this? It sounds like something that would have happened after everyone became more revolting in the early Seventies and the formerly Calvinist Scots embraced Total Depravity after the loss of their empire.
    , @lexfalconi
    I'm sure that's a custom the half-hindu gayboy in charge of Ireland would love to resurrect.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Mel Gibson recounts this anecdote from the filming of Braveheart:

    “The Wallace Clan … You know they wear kilts; they’re into the full tradition,” Gibson said.

    “So I asked the old question, ‘What do you wear under the kilt?’ And this one guy, Seorus, just looked at me and said, ‘Your wife’s lipstick!’

    “That’s pretty heavy, right? But that’s the wit; it’s biting!”


    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mel-gibson-reveals-secrets-from-behind-the-scenes-of-braveheart/news-story/cb19dbd81d2373b506884b3bc4099ecb
  17. Contact Scotland Yard. The decapitated pigeon head could be a breakthrough in the unsolved Case of the Bitten-Off Pigeon Head:

    A disgusting video showing a builder biting a pigeon’s head off while it’s still alive has been released by the RSPCA.

    The clip, which appears to have been filmed on a building site, shows the man hitting the bird from its nest with a stick while saying ‘come to daddy’.

    He then grabs the distressed bird and rips its head off with his teeth before spitting it out….

    His friends can be heard laughing in the disturbing footage believed to have been filmed in the North of England or Wales. ….

    ‘If what this video seems to show is accurate, the pain and suffering caused to the pigeon is likely to have been unimaginable.

    ‘Biting the head off a pigeon is likely to constitute an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

    ‘We’re very eager for information identifying the individual involved, or providing related background, to be brought to our attention as a matter of urgency.

    ‘It has been suggested to us that the incident may have links to either the North of England or Wales.

    ‘However, we are eager for any information which could assist with our inquiries on this serious matter.’

    Anyone with information is asked to call the RSPCA’s inspectorate appeal line on 0300 123 8018.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5790897/RSPCA-releases-stomach-churning-video-builder-biting-head-live-pigeon.html

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    Fookin' Ozzy! 'E dunnit.
    , @Digital Samizdat
    I think biting the heads off of living creatures is an old English pass-time. Didn't Ozzy Osborne bite the head off a bat once?
  18. Further proof why ALL womyn should not be allowed to vote; they’re head cases. Always have been, always will be.

    Just look at the near universal issue womyn have with self-esteem. They live 24-7 in those skins, are aware on a somewhat regular basis that there is something wrong between the ears…. but can’t do anything about it. Even all those mood altering meds they take have a limited benefit.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Even all those mood altering meds they take have a limited benefit.
     
    Or possibly the mood altering meds make things much worse.
    , @Flip
    They seem to calm down if they have children and have to focus on something other than themselves.
  19. @Alec Leamas
    When I was a schoolboy in Dublin we would get discounted tickets for the Five Nations Rugby matches at old Lansdowne Road on Saturdays in the standing room area at either end of the pitch. One Saturday the Scots were the visiting side, and their supporters accompanied them to Dublin and into Lansdowne Road. Scots supporters near universally wore kilts as a show of national pride. As I recall the Irish were up 6-3 well into the second half, but the Scots managed to tie with a late penalty kick for a 6-6 final score. At the conclusion of the match, scores of the Scots simply lifted their kilts and pissed where they stood in a sort of celebration of the late tie, steaming streams of urine running all over the place, down the steps of the stands with attendees attempting to exit. Right in plain view of (few) women and children they did it.

    In those days a video camera was a great big unwieldy contraption, and photographs were taken by purpose-specific machines that only weirdos would cart around except at special occasions. But this seems to me a thing which had it been captured on film would have been a bigger deal than this pigeon incident in today's outrage-as-hobby times.

    Which decade was this? It sounds like something that would have happened after everyone became more revolting in the early Seventies and the formerly Calvinist Scots embraced Total Depravity after the loss of their empire.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Which decade was this? It sounds like something that would have happened after everyone became more revolting in the early Seventies and the formerly Calvinist Scots embraced Total Depravity after the loss of their empire.
     
    Early/mid 1990s, so certainly well after the 1970s.
  20. I’m getting the distinct impression this wild Irish rose just got dumped/ dissed by an English dude in favor of a more domesticated English rose.

    Happened quite a lot historically. English lads take the more emotional,less-cultured, good-time Irish girl for a role in the hay, but she’s too rough/not pretty enough for him to settle down with, and he goes hoe and shacks up with an English girl. Irish girl feels used and cheated as a result. (Circle of Friends, the old Minnie Driver film, had this as B plot).

    There’s a reason why English guys like a lads’ weekend in Dublin, and not merely the exchange rate. Irish girls have never really had the best reputation for virtue if not religious; it was only when the iron hand of the Church was firmly upon them that they kept their legs closed.

    Is there an Irish term for English Beckys?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Yes.

    It’s ...

    whorefinder
    , @Hodag
    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.
    , @Lurker
    Anecdotally, if anything the reverse often seems true, nice Irish girls vs British girls corrupted by modernity. (Having had two Irish girlfriends I may be biased)
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Gemma, Gillian, and Georgina.

    Never seen any US girls with those names. Knew one Jillian with a "J," but she was tiresome.
  21. @ThreeCranes
    "I expected them to react to me with similar neutrality. What I didn’t expect was the toxic mix of dismissal and casual disdain."

    Fer cryin' out loud. She's in one of the world's largest cities (of which half the populace are alien Pakistani, Jamaican etc.). Dismissal and casual disdain are the default settings in any city. The reason sensitive souls move to small towns is because, in the cities, nobody gives a sh*t about you.

    "But what kills you is the ignorance..." Umm, that's the default setting of humanity too. It's not unique to London. Many big city dwellers are the least worldly people on the planet. They know nothing but their square mile of turf.

    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Example: Prince Phillip asking a welfare recipient who is receiving training to care for elderly people, "who do you sponge off?"
    I notice that these master-strokes are Orwellishly enough characterized as gaffes.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163868/Prince-Philip-does-asks-women-East-End-community-centre-group-sponge-off.html
    , @Mr. Anon

    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.
     
    They can even turn a formal pleasantry into an insult: "Good day to you, sir!"
    , @Cagey Beast
    You reminded me of something I heard a Russian interviewer say to their Foreign Minister, Lavrov: "recently at the UN, you used constructive sarcasm to make this point". "Constructive sarcasm" definitely describes the way Lavrov, Putin and the whole Russian government engages with their "western partners" lately. I like it more than English microaggressions.
    , @Anon
    Rudest people in the world.

    English bigot “ you ve heard of Oscar Wilde? But you’re an ignorant American how is that possible???

    Your city has a subway? You’re lying, America has no public transit.

    English bigot Americans don’t read.

    American America has the biggest network of free public libraries in the world .

    English bigot But not in the black neighborhoods

    American the biggest and best public libraries are in the black neighborhoods of the cities from which the black terrorists drove White Americans away by murder robbery rape pillage looting and riot.

    English bigot your sister’s pregnant? There is no medical care in America she must travel to England as soon as possible so she can have her baby here.

    American Her husband’s union has insurance which pays for the family’s medical and dental care.

    English bigot Our medical care is free

    American paid through payroll taxes to the NHS or payroll deductions to the insurance company what’s the difference?

  22. My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It’s probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

    In any event, one imagines that English self-flagellations taught to school children are on the sexier side of things – colonialism in Africa, slave trading to the Caribbean, the Raj, etc. Those brown people have more pokemon points than the Irish – who, let us say, have done to themselves in a decade or so what hundreds of years of English occupation couldn’t do – but she nevertheless seems to want in on the game.

    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there’s a fine chance that a good number of the people she’s hating are themselves Irish.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It’s probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

     

    To left-wingers, the idea that whites might have ethnic strife with whites is either ridiculous or a major exaggeration/lie from the past. After all, everyone knows whitey just oppressed non-whites.

    According to the left, history began in 1960, which was just about 5 minutes ago.


    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there’s a fine chance that a good number of the people she’s hating are themselves Irish.
     
    The Beatles film A Hard Days Night had a plot partially driven by a man playing McCartney's irascible Irish grandfather (played by a Irish actor).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lN957vZjQY

    , @Lurker
    I've noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they're just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don't believe it is most of the time.

    , @stillCARealist
    My guess is that most British have little bits of that Celtic DNA in them, like, say, 1/256th of the whole genome. That makes them bonafide Irish kinfolk that she should embrace as siblings rather than scorn as foreigners.
  23. If she’s the same Londoner Megan Nolan (which she may well not be) as has written this … this material, then it is entirely possible that her professions of hate (or love) are not permanent.

    http://megannolanwriting.tumblr.com/

    ——-
    OT

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    I don't think it is her, but it's an interesting read.


    Guardian temp - check.

    Arty girl dumped by rich, self-confident Englishman - check.

    "I dated all over the city for several months, often becoming stranded in some obscure suburb and not having cab fare home. I realised then what having money gives you, which is utter freedom from dependence, from the need to trouble other people. "
     
    "Dated".

    No money, but mixing with people who have a lot more - check.

    "I was filled not only with misery about what he was saying, and his awareness of it, but also with shame at how squalidly I was wasting my short life. I felt sick at how impoverished my internal life had become, the scrabbling for some engagement or affection from people I didn’t even like very much. I realised unhappily that nobody who knew me in any real sense knew where I was most nights. I was disseminating all my selves across London, each of them constructed, and paper thin, and ready to be thrown away with each new morning. "
     
    There are a lot of stories like this in London - and doubtless in NYC too.
    , @Tyrion 2
    I actually quite enjoyed that, probably because it names a number of places that I am kniw well. If it is her, I wonder who on the NYT OpEd board she is sleeping with. Sarah Jeong is actually a possibility. This Megan has pretended that way before for emotional satisfaction. The Guardian internship also makes sense.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    If is her, her need for the English to take notice of her (and a few other things) may have an explanation.

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.

    When I was a child I learned how to lie. My parents were separated, and for one half of the month I lived with my father, for the other my mother. My father’s house was sedate and cultural. My mother’s was often full of red-eyed people still up from the night before, unclean men trying to pull me onto their knees, perpetually smoking women encouraging my needy joke-telling. In my father’s house I learned to be restrained and quiet and moderate in all things, would sit for hours reading nourishing fiction and basking in the warm glow of being no trouble. My consumption of things was monitored and commented on and I came to understood that the less one consumed the better they were.

    ....

    I exaggerated the clipped, wealthy voice I had inherited from my English father.
     
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Rather reminds me of myself at 15.
  24. @Excal
    You can tell a lot about someone from their enemies.

    Yes, within my personal life there are those whom I am proud to call my enemy.

  25. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    I can already hear her lectures on the patriarchy, delivered in a clipped, librarian-esque brogue and disdainful of any man not Colin Firth or a young Hugh Grant or Jude Law.

    Breaks my heart.

  26. @Steve Sailer
    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.

    Example: Prince Phillip asking a welfare recipient who is receiving training to care for elderly people, “who do you sponge off?”
    I notice that these master-strokes are Orwellishly enough characterized as gaffes.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163868/Prince-Philip-does-asks-women-East-End-community-centre-group-sponge-off.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Prince Philip could be a Waugh character.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monarchism-vindicated/

    , @Joe Walker
    Isn't the British royal family basically just a bunch of welfare recipients?
  27. @Alec Leamas
    When I was a schoolboy in Dublin we would get discounted tickets for the Five Nations Rugby matches at old Lansdowne Road on Saturdays in the standing room area at either end of the pitch. One Saturday the Scots were the visiting side, and their supporters accompanied them to Dublin and into Lansdowne Road. Scots supporters near universally wore kilts as a show of national pride. As I recall the Irish were up 6-3 well into the second half, but the Scots managed to tie with a late penalty kick for a 6-6 final score. At the conclusion of the match, scores of the Scots simply lifted their kilts and pissed where they stood in a sort of celebration of the late tie, steaming streams of urine running all over the place, down the steps of the stands with attendees attempting to exit. Right in plain view of (few) women and children they did it.

    In those days a video camera was a great big unwieldy contraption, and photographs were taken by purpose-specific machines that only weirdos would cart around except at special occasions. But this seems to me a thing which had it been captured on film would have been a bigger deal than this pigeon incident in today's outrage-as-hobby times.

    I’m sure that’s a custom the half-hindu gayboy in charge of Ireland would love to resurrect.

  28. @Steve Sailer
    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.

    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.

    They can even turn a formal pleasantry into an insult: “Good day to you, sir!”

  29. @Alec Leamas
    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It's probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

    In any event, one imagines that English self-flagellations taught to school children are on the sexier side of things - colonialism in Africa, slave trading to the Caribbean, the Raj, etc. Those brown people have more pokemon points than the Irish - who, let us say, have done to themselves in a decade or so what hundreds of years of English occupation couldn't do - but she nevertheless seems to want in on the game.

    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there's a fine chance that a good number of the people she's hating are themselves Irish.

    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It’s probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

    To left-wingers, the idea that whites might have ethnic strife with whites is either ridiculous or a major exaggeration/lie from the past. After all, everyone knows whitey just oppressed non-whites.

    According to the left, history began in 1960, which was just about 5 minutes ago.

    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there’s a fine chance that a good number of the people she’s hating are themselves Irish.

    The Beatles film A Hard Days Night had a plot partially driven by a man playing McCartney’s irascible Irish grandfather (played by a Irish actor).

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    The old boy has a resemblance to Papa Joe Kennedy.
  30. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    You are sort of the middlebrow Tiny Duck, right?

  31. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    She does have the obligatory nose ring, the ultimate token of subservience, so that she can be led around with actually assenting to the leading. Taking on the status of a cow is astonishing. What will be next? Will Megan Nolan ‘walk’ around with nothing but chaps and her hands grabbing her ankles? Will there be takers?

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    You really need to stop looking at porn. It is rotting your brain.
  32. @Tiny Duck
    It says a lot about this place that you people don't see the utility in hating g white supremacy

    If yuh read the article is quite apparent that the aouthoress sangry with entitled white males

    One English demographics change and Men of Color take their rightful place England will be a good place

    Nano Duck, I can tell that you hate English, the language, as well.

  33. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right? Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet . Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies? Nah, you’re Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right?"

    Airhead, indeed.

    "Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet."

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    "Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies?"

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.
    , @Joe Walker
    Why is she an airhead? Just because you don't agree with her?
  34. I’m Irish American who grew up at NORAID dinner dances and WolfeTones concerts.

    My father in law was born in Delhi and had to move to Karachi due to the separation.

    We bonded over our mutual approval of Mountbatten’s murder.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    We bonded over our mutual approval of Mountbatten’s murder.

    My father had the Queen's commission and still thought Mountbatten brought it on himself. "A lifetime lack of situational awareness finally caught up to him". Thanks to the Dieppe Raid, he lacked fans here in Canada too.
    , @Anonymous
    Mountbatten himself was a legitimate enemy belligerent but the others killed or maimed on the boat were not. The IRA were often a little too enamored of "kaboom" for their own good.

    "Never use a bomb when a bullet will do"-Covington, referring to this excessive propensity for blowing stuff up on their part.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tsak6tocNc


    I took back my hand and I showed him the door
    No dollar of mine would I part with this day
    For fueling the engine of bloody cruel war
    In my forefather’s land far away

    Who fled the first Famine wearing all that they owned
    Were called ‘Navigators’ all ragged and torn
    And built the Grand Trunk here and found a new home
    Wherever their children were born

    Their sons have no politics. None call recall
    Allegiance from long generations before
    O’this or O’that name can’t matter at all
    Or be cause enough for to war

    And meanwhile my babies are safe in their home
    Unlike their pale cousins who cower and cry
    While kneecappers nail their poor dads to the floor
    And teach them to hate and to die

    It’s those cruel beggars who spurn the fair coin
    The peace for their kids they could take at their will
    Since the day old King Billy prevailed at the Boyne
    They’ve bombed and they’ve maimed and they’ve killed

    Now they cry out for money and wail at the door
    But Home Rule or Republic ’tis all of it shame
    And a curse for us here who want nothing of war
    We’re kindred in nothing but name

    All rights and all wrongs have long since blown away
    For causes are ashes where children lie slain
    Yet the damned U.D.L. and the cruel I.R.A.
    Will tomorrow go murdering again

    But no penny of mine will I add to the fray
    “Remember the Boyne!” they will cry out in vain
    For I’ve given my heart to the place I was born
    And forgiven the whole House of Orange
    King Billy and the whole House of Orange

     

  35. Anon[136] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember reading somewhere about the IQ differences among Northern European groups, and if you got reasonably pure, local test results (for instance, the four-grandparents-within-100-km requirement), the differences were pretty large. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can’t remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish (which I guess would include Richard Lynn? No, he’s an Englishman).

    I think that the “purity” of all three of these groups is much less today, and anyone who ends up in London is probably more likely to be an elite with higher intelligence.

    It might make the black-Hispanic-white IQ gaps go down easier and be more plausible to people if, in addition to the Jewish gap, the intra-Caucasian gaps were more publicized.

    • Replies: @Gnome Sayin
    I don't even think Steve would disagree that a lot of Lynn's data is old and odd. To look at more recent data, such as PISA scores, for example

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#Results

    In 2o15 Ireland had the 5th highest reading scores in the world (ahead of every European country but Finland) and in the middle for Europe in Mathematics -- in between Germany and Poland (and well above the UK).

    European IQ differences probably exist, but they aren't that great and measured results tend to bounce around a lot depending upon various cultural and political situations.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    Violent crime rates are usually 50% higher in the Celtic fringe than in England, despite the latter's more crowded, urban nature and the larger incidence of poorer immigrants.
    , @Hank Yobo
    So, the "Scottish Enlightenment" is just a rumor?
    , @Joe Walker
    Any writing that starts with the phrase "I remember reading somewhere" is usually a load of crap.
  36. @whorefinder
    I'm getting the distinct impression this wild Irish rose just got dumped/ dissed by an English dude in favor of a more domesticated English rose.

    Happened quite a lot historically. English lads take the more emotional,less-cultured, good-time Irish girl for a role in the hay, but she's too rough/not pretty enough for him to settle down with, and he goes hoe and shacks up with an English girl. Irish girl feels used and cheated as a result. (Circle of Friends, the old Minnie Driver film, had this as B plot).

    There's a reason why English guys like a lads' weekend in Dublin, and not merely the exchange rate. Irish girls have never really had the best reputation for virtue if not religious; it was only when the iron hand of the Church was firmly upon them that they kept their legs closed.

    Is there an Irish term for English Beckys?

    Yes.

    It’s …

    whorefinder

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    I appreciate the complement, son, but you can do better.
  37. @Cagey Beast
    Which decade was this? It sounds like something that would have happened after everyone became more revolting in the early Seventies and the formerly Calvinist Scots embraced Total Depravity after the loss of their empire.

    Which decade was this? It sounds like something that would have happened after everyone became more revolting in the early Seventies and the formerly Calvinist Scots embraced Total Depravity after the loss of their empire.

    Early/mid 1990s, so certainly well after the 1970s.

  38. @Hodag
    I'm Irish American who grew up at NORAID dinner dances and WolfeTones concerts.

    My father in law was born in Delhi and had to move to Karachi due to the separation.

    We bonded over our mutual approval of Mountbatten's murder.

    We bonded over our mutual approval of Mountbatten’s murder.

    My father had the Queen’s commission and still thought Mountbatten brought it on himself. “A lifetime lack of situational awareness finally caught up to him”. Thanks to the Dieppe Raid, he lacked fans here in Canada too.

  39. Considering that Ireland let a single Jew destroy it forever with his immigration policies, it’s kinda funny that all she can find to complain about are the British. Presumably white ones.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Are you talking about Benjamin Disraeli? Yes, he was a horrible person who is hopefully burning in hell if such a place exists.
  40. Meanwhile on Reddit’s Ireland forum, they can’t get enough of this article: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/9p8bc7/i_didnt_hate_the_english_until_now_an_irish_woman/e7zwouh/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That insult "gammon" (a type of pork) began among British Muslims as an insulting reference to white people, but is now widely used by liberal whites in Britain (and apparently Ireland) to insult their conservative opponents.
  41. @D. K.
    On my father's side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?

    Your father definitely got around. Mad props.

  42. @Cortes
    Yes.

    It’s ...

    whorefinder

    I appreciate the complement, son, but you can do better.

  43. @asdf
    She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow.

    “She can move back to Ireland I assume”

    That never seems to be an option on the table for some reason. Instead, if they have a visa rejected they react like their life is being ruined. Shouldn’t they seek their freedom by leaving?

  44. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    Smug, entitled, closed-minded. Great combo.

  45. Has out and out emotional hysterics always been NY Times publication worthy? This is the most cringe inducing thing I’ve read in… days, even. And as someone of Irish extraction, this is flat out embarrassing. Who gives an F what the English think? Why are you even there?

  46. @Steve Sailer
    The higher up English are geniuses at microaggressions.

    You reminded me of something I heard a Russian interviewer say to their Foreign Minister, Lavrov: “recently at the UN, you used constructive sarcasm to make this point”. “Constructive sarcasm” definitely describes the way Lavrov, Putin and the whole Russian government engages with their “western partners” lately. I like it more than English microaggressions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I speak no Russian unfortunately but from the English translations I find of speeches given by Putin and Lavrov, especially on Youtube RT videos, they impress me as witty in a mordant way and obviously not stupid.
  47. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    What is Irish about her?

    She’s for globo-homo nonsense, anti-Catholic, pro-Afro-Islamo invasion of both Ireland and UK, feminism(that hates on Irish men), and etc. And she has a ring through her nose. There is nothing truly Irish about her. She’s indistinguishable from British globo-homo deracinated freaks.

    Irish are a confused people. They were fellow collaborators of British Imperialism. They joined with British in conquering other lands and slave trade and killing Indians. But they were also ruled by British imperialists. So, one side of Irishness took part in being part of the great Anglo-World Empire while another side saw itself as the First Victims of British Empire.
    Irish surely succeeded in the US where they killed Indians and owned slaves. The political morality of Irish-in-America is also schizo. On the one hand, they like to see themselves as Catholic victims of Wasp protestant elites. But they also shared the ambitions and prejudices of the Wasps, sometimes to a greater extent as they happened to be more clannish-minded. At times, Wasp elites had to restrain the Irish from being too hard on the Negroes.

    But in Ireland, many continued to see themselves as an oppressed people under British rule, and that meant Irish were soul-brothers with all the non-white ‘victims’ of British Imperialism.

    But Ireland has been free for some time. Also, despite the glorious narrative of struggle for independence, the Irish have decided to join with globo-homo hegemony. Out of the frying pan into the fire. They freed themselves from the British Empire only to join the far worse empire of globo-homo mass-immigration-invasion that will destroy white Europe. At least, British rule didn’t destroy the racial composition of Ireland. Mass-immigration-invasion by non-whites will do just that.

    Also, it must be pretty difficult to play ‘victim of English’ anymore when the UK itself has gone from a great imperial power to a globo-homo cuck-proggy nation. When it comes to SJW-NPC lunacy, the UK leads Ireland. It had ‘gay marriage’ before Ireland. London is more far gone in Diversity than Dublin. If anything, proggies in UK say Ireland hasn’t done enough to become as ‘evolved’ as the UK.

    So, what is the only way the Irish potatoheads can still play victim of UK? Nonsense about dead pigeons.

  48. YESSS!!!!!

    * This song has a new edginess these days.

    Oh wait…. this all sounds kind of stupid.

    The Irish are long, long past their sale date of usefulness to the New York Times, which is largely a good thing. This article only exists so that the globalists at the New York Times can use Irish grievance as a cudgel against Brexit. It is underhanded and pathetic. I fully support British independence from the EU and long for the day that Ireland and the rest of Europe do the same.

    That being said, the men in the video are basically tourists acting like assholes and they should not be defended. You have to understand that Temple Bar in Dublin is basically the Bourbon Street of Western Europe and obnoxious tourist behavior abounds. Last time I was in Temple Bar, there were more Americans and Spaniards (thanks to Ryan Air) than British tourists, but the British louts are disproportionally awful in their behavior.

    So, the whining in this article is underhanded and deceptive, but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.
     
    Speaking as a Brit - I agree. A sound horsewhipping is in order. I cringe when I hear about this sort of thing.
    , @Anon
    If you want to see drunken English louts at their finest try the cheap Spanish beach resorts in summer. Vomit everywhere, just like home in England. They’re a real problem and loathed by everyone who encounters them.
    , @Bugg
    Yup. A bit like showing up on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras and being shocked by drunken debauchery.

    Irish people in England are odd cases. My wife's cousin was a Belfast Catholic who lives and works in London and is married to an English woman. His children are English (though they have emigrated to Australia). But the show of animosity remains despite literally sleeping with the enemy. My guess is like my wife's cousin and the author like to pose like this, but there isn't much else going on here but an empty show. As Christianity recedes in the west, the simple fact that there is not a lot of genetic diversity among and between the locals in the UK will occasionally spit out drivel like this to show the colors.
    , @Rapparee
    Temple Bar is an absolutely wretched place. I popped into a pub there once with some fellow American students, and didn't last five minutes before abandoning my party. Couldn't even buy one drink. Drunken stag parties, shrieking hen parties, and music obnoxious enough to make one's ears bleed, all of them loud, loud, loud. I may have been a stranger in town, but it didn't take me long to realize that the only way to avoid stupid inebriated louts was to get as far away from Temple Bar as possible. A couple miles' walk in the opposite direction turned up a pleasant quiet pub with cordial locals, cheap drinks, and Sinatra playing softly- one I am sure was and remains free of decapitated projectile pigeons to this very day.
    , @Pat Hannagan
    Sums it up.

    Nice tune too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnZBwflsITI&feature=youtu.be

  49. Paging Dr. Osbourne, paging Dr. Osbourne.

    And here’s a trigger warning. England was once populated by Englanders! Yes, terribly shocking, I know…

  50. @Tiny Duck
    It says a lot about this place that you people don't see the utility in hating g white supremacy

    If yuh read the article is quite apparent that the aouthoress sangry with entitled white males

    One English demographics change and Men of Color take their rightful place England will be a good place

    Ohs Tinys……

    Once I tooked my riteful place behinds yous I put little Lendnerp ins a good place!

    Lendspert “I’m a luver notz a fighter” pibbtz

  51. @Anon
    I remember reading somewhere about the IQ differences among Northern European groups, and if you got reasonably pure, local test results (for instance, the four-grandparents-within-100-km requirement), the differences were pretty large. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can't remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish (which I guess would include Richard Lynn? No, he's an Englishman).

    I think that the "purity" of all three of these groups is much less today, and anyone who ends up in London is probably more likely to be an elite with higher intelligence.

    It might make the black-Hispanic-white IQ gaps go down easier and be more plausible to people if, in addition to the Jewish gap, the intra-Caucasian gaps were more publicized.

    I don’t even think Steve would disagree that a lot of Lynn’s data is old and odd. To look at more recent data, such as PISA scores, for example

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#Results

    In 2o15 Ireland had the 5th highest reading scores in the world (ahead of every European country but Finland) and in the middle for Europe in Mathematics — in between Germany and Poland (and well above the UK).

    European IQ differences probably exist, but they aren’t that great and measured results tend to bounce around a lot depending upon various cultural and political situations.

  52. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    LOL! And the Becky is culturally appropriating a nose ring! Wait until the sistas’ get hold of her and show her who is boss!

  53. @gunner29
    Further proof why ALL womyn should not be allowed to vote; they're head cases. Always have been, always will be.

    Just look at the near universal issue womyn have with self-esteem. They live 24-7 in those skins, are aware on a somewhat regular basis that there is something wrong between the ears.... but can't do anything about it. Even all those mood altering meds they take have a limited benefit.

    Even all those mood altering meds they take have a limited benefit.

    Or possibly the mood altering meds make things much worse.

  54. @whorefinder
    I'm getting the distinct impression this wild Irish rose just got dumped/ dissed by an English dude in favor of a more domesticated English rose.

    Happened quite a lot historically. English lads take the more emotional,less-cultured, good-time Irish girl for a role in the hay, but she's too rough/not pretty enough for him to settle down with, and he goes hoe and shacks up with an English girl. Irish girl feels used and cheated as a result. (Circle of Friends, the old Minnie Driver film, had this as B plot).

    There's a reason why English guys like a lads' weekend in Dublin, and not merely the exchange rate. Irish girls have never really had the best reputation for virtue if not religious; it was only when the iron hand of the Church was firmly upon them that they kept their legs closed.

    Is there an Irish term for English Beckys?

    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

     

    I though that girl was Scottish.

    Anyway, a more gripping scene was in this Studs Lonigan TV movie where some horny teens draw straws to see who goes in first to enjoy the local Irish slut. The Jewish boy wins-- and she throws him out.
    , @whorefinder
    The other girl wasn't English, she was American. Lacey Underall (one of the hottest women on screen of all time).

    The mousy Irish girl named Maggie was most certainly Irish, but she wasn't easy; she's just giving it up to her American bf in the film (unlike Lacey, whom, as Maggie describes her, "has been plucked more than the Rose of Tralee").

    Interesting movie tidbit: the actress who played the Maggie the Irish girl in Caddyshack was named Sarah Holcomb, and she also had a memorable role in Animal House as the cashier chick/underage-daughter of the Mayor whom "Pinto" Kroger almost has sex with but decides not to after she passes out, and its only after he finds out she's underage.

    In other words, Sarah Holcolmb is the only person to play significant, speaking roles in both Caddyshack and Animal House (apparently there was another actor who spoke in one of the movies and was an extra in the other, but his name escapes me). Which is ironic, given that most guys love those movies and debate which one is funnier (obvious answer: Caddyshack), but almost no guy realizes she's the same actress in both films.

  55. Steve, you know I don’t read that rag, so answer me this: Have you noticed these types of op-eds coming out on a 28-day cycle, by any chance? (Just asking for scientific curiosity, is all).

    Anyway, those bloody English! Cutting the heads off of those beautiful, graceful pigeons.

    Oh, how many potatoes does it take to screw in a light bulb? Or wait, maybe it was, how many light bulbs does it take to grow a potato?

  56. @asdf
    She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow.

    “She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow.”

    I suspect there are large portions of the Irish population she’s not too thrilled with, either.

  57. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    She is not so bad. That’s a purposefully haughty photo, and even then her lips are very nice.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Nose rings don't exactly enhance feminine beauty....
    , @Anon
    Are her eyes really that huge, or does she have the manga eyes setting on?

    We went from having to rely on marble statues or coin images to know what people looked like (and they had their own "manga eyes" problems, for instance, was Augustus so pretty?), to death masks (which showed us what dead people looked like, e.g., Chopin) to paintings, which had their problems, (for instance, Napoleon), to photography, where we finally knew what people looked like in reality. That lasted a century and a half. Now we're back to the beginning. Are the manga eyes on? Chin reducer? Complexion smoother? Software can completely remake a person's face.

    Not to mention what taking a portrait with a 24 mm equivalent lens does. Why is the nose so big? Where did the ears go? There's a reason portrait photographers used 85 mm equivalent lenses. And then there is the final problem of what used to be called the FGAS (fat girl angle shot): Looking up at camera to hide double chin, cropping body out.

    As more and more non-formal photography is done with smart phones, the quality of the images, in the sense of representing objective reality, goes down.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Is that the same woman? If so, she has a story about how she was raped at college but didn't report it.

    Megan is Irish for Chrissie?

  58. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, Brexit will bring back a harder border that the locals had come to treat as being as invisible as possible. It's too bad. I remember going through it as a kid and was pleasantly surprised to see how quickly it disappeared after the Good Friday Agreement. My father and his generation remember it being far less of a big deal before the Troubles and were happy to see it go again. My aunt lives in London but doesn't much like Brexit because of the way it buggers up the border and potentially her banking.

    The border was pretty theoretical 1922-1960s until the Troubles. In fact the border was far harder when both UK and Ireland were in the EEC/EU.

    I strongly suspect that the EU faction is making the ‘hard border’ issue purely to create trouble.

    Also from 1922 onward Irish citizens have pretty much been able to settle in (and vote) in the UK but many younger ones seem to think this is to do with the EU. Thus the EU is their benefactor. A belief TPTB are in no hurry to correct.

  59. But the Irish woman who “is based” in London

    No. No, she is not based. Not in London. Not anywhere else.

    Pay attention to me!

    Steve, you didn’t mention Sailer’s Laws of Female Journalism. Is this a second? Are you slipping?

    By the way, since Mary Beard has now informed us all that Britons have always been a multicultural rainbow, isn’t Megan Nolan saying she hates blacks and Muslims? Oops!

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Ireland wasn't conquered by blacks and Muslims.
  60. Women go insane if they are not looking after their children by a man of greater status and their household. They react with general rage to their male peers for the only unpardonable male sin. Being beta.

    Agree with Whorefinder there on the likely evolution of the romantic life of the women in question.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Have you even had a conversation with a woman? Other than your mother, of course.
  61. Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn’t make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Orangeman...........you Of all people ought to know, if they were smart enough to dislike the IRA, they wouldn't be paptists.
    , @DFH
    >Sinn Fein

    https://comeheretome.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/edmund.jpg
    , @Random Smartaleck

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish
     
    Someone calling himself "Orangeman" dares complain about questionable patriotic totems among the Irish?

    (Unless that's a Trump reference)
    , @Joe Walker
    British refers to people from the island of Britain. Ireland is a separate island. Therefore the Irish are not British. The IRA are not "neo Marxist thugs and killers". They are Irish men and women who fought against British imperialism in Ireland.
    , @Anonymous
    IRA 'marxism' was skin deep and intended for external consumption as militant republicans courted support from the USSR and other communist states.
    , @Anon
    The church put the IRA under the excummication ban way back in the 1920s because it was just another Soviet front group.

    American Irish liked the romantic idea of the IRA a lot more than the native Irish did. The worst part of the IRA for the Irish was their fundraising also known as extortion.
  62. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can’t remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish

    The English have more German ancestry and the Germans and Dutch have the highest IQ in Europe.

  63. @Alec Leamas
    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It's probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

    In any event, one imagines that English self-flagellations taught to school children are on the sexier side of things - colonialism in Africa, slave trading to the Caribbean, the Raj, etc. Those brown people have more pokemon points than the Irish - who, let us say, have done to themselves in a decade or so what hundreds of years of English occupation couldn't do - but she nevertheless seems to want in on the game.

    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there's a fine chance that a good number of the people she's hating are themselves Irish.

    I’ve noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they’re just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don’t believe it is most of the time.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as pr0per foreigners
     
    I saw a voter registration notice in London in 1985 that included citizens of the Republic of Ireland among those eligible.

    On this side of the ocean, Canadians may well be annoyed by how Americans don't see them as real foreigners, but they seem more than willing to play along to their own advantage.
    , @Tyrion 2
    That's funny. It is a thing I've said on numerous occasions.

    Partly because I believe it and partly because I believe it is a nice and welcoming thing to say.

    The Irish people I've spoken to have reacted by agreeing and elaborating on the detail. It then goes off in that way of semi-intellectual bond-building small talk.

    I suppose this silly girl would not like such ingratiating behaviour, were we on a date. She'd probably prefer it if I flirted sardonically with the waitress.
    , @Matra
    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish?

    The Irish and English are closer to one another than either is to Americans, that's true, but Americans aren't considered anywhere near as foreign as people on the continent.

    Following 9/11 when many Americans in England expressed hurt at what was being said about them and their country, Simon Jenkins - then writing for The Times, I believe - said people in England were surprised by American sensitivity to English remarks. Why? Because, he said, we don't really think of Americans as foreigners. So just as the English slag off their own country all the time and take the piss out of each other - regional stuff - they expected Americans, much like Australians, to not be sensitive about this stuff.

    As to the Irish. They should be happy about English ignorance and lack of curiosity because it saved them from being crushed in 1969-70. In the late 60s Ulster Protestants told them not to fall for the 'We shall Overcome' civil rights stuff. The Irish go with strength and whatever is fashionable. If you crush the still small Republican movement they'll not be too bothered and will even mock them, but don't give them hope of actually winning. The English ruling class, though, with their ignorance of Ireland and perhaps their liberal merchant mindset, knew better. We'd all get along, they said, once a few concessions were given. They were wrong, but it's too late to do much about it now.
    , @DFH
    I think that the French are temprementally more similar to us in many ways than the Irish, and (at least on an individual basis) lack the resentment
  64. What I didn’t expect was the toxic mix of dismissal and casual disdain

    The only English people left in London would be quite rich, just like the only white people left in San Francisco. The dismissal and disdain is probably other than ethnically-based.

    33 years ago I quit my student-visa exchange job in London and went to the “Home Counties” because I was meeting everybody but the English.

  65. @Lurker
    I've noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they're just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don't believe it is most of the time.

    I’ve noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as pr0per foreigners

    I saw a voter registration notice in London in 1985 that included citizens of the Republic of Ireland among those eligible.

    On this side of the ocean, Canadians may well be annoyed by how Americans don’t see them as real foreigners, but they seem more than willing to play along to their own advantage.

    • Replies: @Flip

    On this side of the ocean, Canadians may well be annoyed by how Americans don’t see them as real foreigners, but they seem more than willing to play along to their own advantage.
     
    Canada is the part of America that doesn't share its government.
  66. @Clifford Brown
    YESSS!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt7DOPm8Hs

    * This song has a new edginess these days.

    Oh wait.... this all sounds kind of stupid.

    The Irish are long, long past their sale date of usefulness to the New York Times, which is largely a good thing. This article only exists so that the globalists at the New York Times can use Irish grievance as a cudgel against Brexit. It is underhanded and pathetic. I fully support British independence from the EU and long for the day that Ireland and the rest of Europe do the same.

    That being said, the men in the video are basically tourists acting like assholes and they should not be defended. You have to understand that Temple Bar in Dublin is basically the Bourbon Street of Western Europe and obnoxious tourist behavior abounds. Last time I was in Temple Bar, there were more Americans and Spaniards (thanks to Ryan Air) than British tourists, but the British louts are disproportionally awful in their behavior.

    So, the whining in this article is underhanded and deceptive, but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    Speaking as a Brit – I agree. A sound horsewhipping is in order. I cringe when I hear about this sort of thing.

  67. @Hodag
    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

    I though that girl was Scottish.

    Anyway, a more gripping scene was in this Studs Lonigan TV movie where some horny teens draw straws to see who goes in first to enjoy the local Irish slut. The Jewish boy wins– and she throws him out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    They make a big deal out of the working class kids being Catholic: the kid has a hundred siblings and the girl doesn't want to have to get an abortion.
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

     

    I though that girl was Scottish.

    Anyway, a more gripping scene was in this Studs Lonigan TV movie where some horny teens draw straws to see who goes in first to enjoy the local Irish slut. The Jewish boy wins-- and she throws him out.

    They make a big deal out of the working class kids being Catholic: the kid has a hundred siblings and the girl doesn’t want to have to get an abortion.

  69. @Anon
    I remember reading somewhere about the IQ differences among Northern European groups, and if you got reasonably pure, local test results (for instance, the four-grandparents-within-100-km requirement), the differences were pretty large. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can't remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish (which I guess would include Richard Lynn? No, he's an Englishman).

    I think that the "purity" of all three of these groups is much less today, and anyone who ends up in London is probably more likely to be an elite with higher intelligence.

    It might make the black-Hispanic-white IQ gaps go down easier and be more plausible to people if, in addition to the Jewish gap, the intra-Caucasian gaps were more publicized.

    Violent crime rates are usually 50% higher in the Celtic fringe than in England, despite the latter’s more crowded, urban nature and the larger incidence of poorer immigrants.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Do you have any evidence to back this up? If so, produce it. If not, then stop lying.
  70. @whorefinder
    I'm getting the distinct impression this wild Irish rose just got dumped/ dissed by an English dude in favor of a more domesticated English rose.

    Happened quite a lot historically. English lads take the more emotional,less-cultured, good-time Irish girl for a role in the hay, but she's too rough/not pretty enough for him to settle down with, and he goes hoe and shacks up with an English girl. Irish girl feels used and cheated as a result. (Circle of Friends, the old Minnie Driver film, had this as B plot).

    There's a reason why English guys like a lads' weekend in Dublin, and not merely the exchange rate. Irish girls have never really had the best reputation for virtue if not religious; it was only when the iron hand of the Church was firmly upon them that they kept their legs closed.

    Is there an Irish term for English Beckys?

    Anecdotally, if anything the reverse often seems true, nice Irish girls vs British girls corrupted by modernity. (Having had two Irish girlfriends I may be biased)

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Having spent time in my youth and adulthood in both places, I can tell you Irish girls are just as corrupted, and usually more so. Perhaps you found some good ones, but Irish girls carry a rep for being easy that is largely borne out by observation and personal experience.
  71. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    The nose ring and her pronounced prognathism are not attractive. That’s a head which is too small for its mouth, which is a metaphor for her personality.

  72. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    Is that photo Megan Nolan? Her nose ring speaks loudly.

    It says, “More trouble than she’s worth, even if her face is pretty.”

  73. “Britons were eager to ask why it mattered that the men were English. ”

    Of course it matters that they are British! In contrast, the fact that most murders in the United States are committed by blacks is completely irrelevant. What does it matter you bigot? We could have japan’s rate of homocide if we only had japan’s gun laws.

  74. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths.”

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece

    Does the NYTIMES routinely run opinion pieces by Alt-Right authors?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying "Look at me" when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.

    I would say the supermajority of normies, aka the "mushy middle", have not even heard of Nolan before, and would be unmoved by her screed. There are more important things to NOTICE rather than some white feminista.

    Don't you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?

  75. @Chrisnonymous
    She is not so bad. That's a purposefully haughty photo, and even then her lips are very nice.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0mArrtJW_400x400.jpg

    Nose rings don’t exactly enhance feminine beauty….

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Ha! Exactly right! I think it may be a form of birth control that keeps any eligible young man far away from her.
  76. @Hodag
    Have you seen the movie Caddyshack? It was a theme in that film.

    The other girl wasn’t English, she was American. Lacey Underall (one of the hottest women on screen of all time).

    The mousy Irish girl named Maggie was most certainly Irish, but she wasn’t easy; she’s just giving it up to her American bf in the film (unlike Lacey, whom, as Maggie describes her, “has been plucked more than the Rose of Tralee”).

    Interesting movie tidbit: the actress who played the Maggie the Irish girl in Caddyshack was named Sarah Holcomb, and she also had a memorable role in Animal House as the cashier chick/underage-daughter of the Mayor whom “Pinto” Kroger almost has sex with but decides not to after she passes out, and its only after he finds out she’s underage.

    In other words, Sarah Holcolmb is the only person to play significant, speaking roles in both Caddyshack and Animal House (apparently there was another actor who spoke in one of the movies and was an extra in the other, but his name escapes me). Which is ironic, given that most guys love those movies and debate which one is funnier (obvious answer: Caddyshack), but almost no guy realizes she’s the same actress in both films.

  77. @FO337
    Imagine moving to a World Capital and all the people there don't immediately focus upon you and your many irritating identity issues! I mean, I can't even.

    LOL! Great comment! BTW – This story of a whiny Irish broad bitching about living in London reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly “climbed” the Statue of Liberty. In actuality she could not climb past Lady Liberty’s big toe.

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/04/woman-climbs-statue-of-liberty-as-protesters-busted-for-abolish-ice-banner/

    • Replies: @Pericles

    reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly “climbed” the Statue of Liberty.

     

    https://ephemeralnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/kingkongballoon19832.jpg
  78. @Lurker
    Anecdotally, if anything the reverse often seems true, nice Irish girls vs British girls corrupted by modernity. (Having had two Irish girlfriends I may be biased)

    Having spent time in my youth and adulthood in both places, I can tell you Irish girls are just as corrupted, and usually more so. Perhaps you found some good ones, but Irish girls carry a rep for being easy that is largely borne out by observation and personal experience.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Irish girls of my experience tend to be much more outgoing than reserved English gals--if you know what I mean...
  79. @syonredux
    Nose rings don't exactly enhance feminine beauty....

    Ha! Exactly right! I think it may be a form of birth control that keeps any eligible young man far away from her.

    • Replies: @Neuday

    I think it may be a form of birth control that keeps any eligible young man far away from her.
     
    Probiscusphylactic.
  80. The Irish have a reputation as con men and petty thieves here in England, just the other day I had one knock on my door and try to sell me a diesel generator. After a few seconds of listening to his brogue I sent him on his way:

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Sounds more like a traveler (knacker). They are as poorly regarded in Ireland as they are over here.
  81. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    She is not so bad. That's a purposefully haughty photo, and even then her lips are very nice.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0mArrtJW_400x400.jpg

    Are her eyes really that huge, or does she have the manga eyes setting on?

    We went from having to rely on marble statues or coin images to know what people looked like (and they had their own “manga eyes” problems, for instance, was Augustus so pretty?), to death masks (which showed us what dead people looked like, e.g., Chopin) to paintings, which had their problems, (for instance, Napoleon), to photography, where we finally knew what people looked like in reality. That lasted a century and a half. Now we’re back to the beginning. Are the manga eyes on? Chin reducer? Complexion smoother? Software can completely remake a person’s face.

    Not to mention what taking a portrait with a 24 mm equivalent lens does. Why is the nose so big? Where did the ears go? There’s a reason portrait photographers used 85 mm equivalent lenses. And then there is the final problem of what used to be called the FGAS (fat girl angle shot): Looking up at camera to hide double chin, cropping body out.

    As more and more non-formal photography is done with smart phones, the quality of the images, in the sense of representing objective reality, goes down.

  82. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    They’re afraid she’s about to sneeze?

  83. She’s right about the Brits. They probably see Ireland as a place for a stag-do or piss-up while yelling insulting garbage at the locals. The thing about the Brits is, they try to pathologize any dislike anyone has for them. If you’re Irish, they’ll call you “bitter” and “living in the past.” If you’re American, you’re a “plastic paddy” or, more hilariously, a Larouchite. They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they’re saying that if you don’t like their company, you have a mental disorder. This, oddly, tends to support their detractors even more.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Divide and rule.

    "They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they’re saying that if you don’t like their company, you have a mental disorder. "

    You must know some very unrepresentative Brits. I've been a politics junkie for decades, and I've forgotten who Larouche is or was - some kind of rightie I assume.

    "She’s right about the Brits"

    No she isn't. And if she's living in London, the few Brits she meets will be highly unrepresentative. She needs to get out more.

    , @Matra
    If you’re American, you’re a “plastic paddy”

    That term originated with the Irish themselves. Anyone who has spent time with them knows it is the Irish who are the people most likely to use it when referring to Americans like you.
  84. England,

    We love you! Thanks for Shakespeare.

    Warmly,
    Sane Irish People

    Megan,

    Do get it together dear, you’re making a scene. At the core, what you seem to be saying is that Irish people and English people in large part no longer hate one another, and that really bothers you. That doesn’t make any sense if you’ll just have a think about it now.

    Sternly,
    etc.

    Sometimes it seems women have nothing to live for if no one hates them.

  85. Dublin and London went their seperate ways around a century ago yet (Republican) Irish consider that they have an automatic right to live in the UK on the same terms as a UK national (this has been the case both before, during and after EU membership)

    Time for the UK to put Ireland and the Irish in the same position as ,say, Bulgaria.

    I’ve always found it imteresting that consecutive Irish Governments have always stressed their seperateness from any Anglosphere (or Commonwealth ) links – witness the Irish leader of the time paying a courtesy call on the German Legation upon Hitler’s death to deliver official condolences – and yet one finds the Irish diaspora (the world’s largest per capita ) much more in London,New York , Toronto and Sydney than in Berlin,Paris , Rome and Madrid

    Incidentally my origins are probably majority Irish Catholic (although I always say anglo celtic or west briton as I find professional lepra-corny Irish an extremely tedious crowd)

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    The common travel area has been in use since 1921. It does not really make sense to abandon it. As for the UK treating Ireland like Bulgaria it is actually Britain that inists on treating ireland more closely than a foreign country. After ireland left the commonwealth in 1948 Britain passed a law stating that ireland is to be treated as a part of Britain (with regards to new laws) unless otherwise specifically exempted.

    This makes sense as one of the reasons for colonising Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions. The two countriee routinely do things together-they decimilised currencies at the same time, joined the european union together etc.
  86. @J.Ross
    Example: Prince Phillip asking a welfare recipient who is receiving training to care for elderly people, "who do you sponge off?"
    I notice that these master-strokes are Orwellishly enough characterized as gaffes.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163868/Prince-Philip-does-asks-women-East-End-community-centre-group-sponge-off.html

    Prince Philip could be a Waugh character.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/monarchism-vindicated/

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  87. Why did the man throw a pigeon head at the protesters? More important, why was he carrying one in his pocket, ready, seemingly, to be launched as soon as a worthy adversary appeared?

    As an Englishman I should let you know that we have a long proud tradition of pigeon head concealed carry, how else do you think we were able to commit such fowl deeds as starting the industrial revolution, building the largest empire the world has ever seen and beating the Boche ….twice?

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The Germans were defeated by, primarily, the Americans in WW1 and the Soviets in WW2. The "UK" would have been stalemated at best in WW1 without the USA's foolish intervention.

    And without the USA's equally foolish intervention in WW2, the "UK" would have been a vassal of Germany or outright occupied German territory.

    Formerly-great formerly-Britain needs to get over its delusions of grandeur. The USA will be forced to do the same.
  88. It is not part of my blood,
    Which my colleagues tell me is fiction-ish,
    But for my op-ed to make a big thud
    That brings out my hate for the English.

    My thesis need not be proved,
    Since it evokes a feeling so tinglish.
    As long as PC cant’s behooved,
    I can make you share hate for the English.

    I sense my importance plateau
    When you kneel and kiss my ring, bitch.
    I could misread some Jean-Jacques Rousseau
    And conclude that you should hate the English.

    I wanted my Yale chair endowed
    Like Cath’lics chip in to the bling dish,
    My academese should help shroud
    My unfounded hate for the English.

    I won’t say I wish them all dead,
    Just that white priv’lege must be extinguished.
    Though this sophistry tires my head,
    With looming deadline, I’ll wing this:
    All goodthinkers must hate the English.

  89. @Clifford Brown
    YESSS!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt7DOPm8Hs

    * This song has a new edginess these days.

    Oh wait.... this all sounds kind of stupid.

    The Irish are long, long past their sale date of usefulness to the New York Times, which is largely a good thing. This article only exists so that the globalists at the New York Times can use Irish grievance as a cudgel against Brexit. It is underhanded and pathetic. I fully support British independence from the EU and long for the day that Ireland and the rest of Europe do the same.

    That being said, the men in the video are basically tourists acting like assholes and they should not be defended. You have to understand that Temple Bar in Dublin is basically the Bourbon Street of Western Europe and obnoxious tourist behavior abounds. Last time I was in Temple Bar, there were more Americans and Spaniards (thanks to Ryan Air) than British tourists, but the British louts are disproportionally awful in their behavior.

    So, the whining in this article is underhanded and deceptive, but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    If you want to see drunken English louts at their finest try the cheap Spanish beach resorts in summer. Vomit everywhere, just like home in England. They’re a real problem and loathed by everyone who encounters them.

  90. before the head of a decapitated pigeon is thrown

    Maybe it was a Scottish Pigeon? “There can be only one” etc.

    Completely OT (or is it?)

    UK researchers link consumption of junk memes to teen obesity & other ‘unhealthy’ habits

    Hopping on the “blame the memes” bandwagon, UK researchers have sent a letter to Parliament warning that kids are learning poor health habits from the memes they share on social media.

    Demonizing memes seems popular these days, with the text-enhanced images blamed for everything from Donald Trump’s presidency to Brexit to the resurgence of so-called white nationalism. Twitter recently deleted hundreds of accounts for sharing the gray-faced “NPC” meme, claiming it was “dehumanizing” and attempting to link it to a campaign to misinform voters ahead of the 2018 US elections.

    The Loughborough researchers admit that their letter is merely “preliminary research” about a subject that is, “at best, poorly understood,” and they openly state that their intent is to secure funding for a larger project. Chances are we’ll be hearing a lot more about the danger of memes in the future.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    they openly state that their intent is to secure funding for a larger project
     
    The academic welfare state...
  91. It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.

    Well, none unless one wants to find some and misconstrue what was said in pursuit of their own ethnic biases.

    I note that the word “hate”, the phrases “Hate the English” and “Until Now” and the line “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now”, did not appear even once in the essay.

    Like you, Steve, the *(redacted ethnic pejorative) who wrote the headline was hoping to insert something that simply is not there. Something acrimonious and unreasonable. He or she was serving his or her ethnic bigotry just as you do with the Irish.

    A commenter above made an astute observation: “Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there’s an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position.”

    Why, it even gets a hyperlink in the essay itself: “EUROPE Read more about how Brexit affects the U.K. Irish border problem.”

    The author herself mentions Brexit thrice; unlike “hate”, “Hate the English” or “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now.”

    * Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    "Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors."

    If you're going to have a fever dream, go the whole hog - he doesn't mind "bogtrotter", but he prefers "taig".
    , @Cowboy Shaw
    The Irish are hopping mad about Brexit. I'm party to a massive long Brexit thread on another place and the Irish are the major participants on it, followed by wet remainer Londoners, facing off against a few lone brexit warriors from the east of England. But the Irish are off the charts angry, and willing the whole thing to complete failure.
    , @Tyrion 2

    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.
     
    What is reasonable about that essay? The fact that she talked about three Englishmen who once acted like drunken tosspots to extrapolate to an entire society? Or that the English in London didn't always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is? Or the Brexit stuff she has shoved in there to hit the NYT's ignorant buttons?

    Also, do you think they gave her a headline she didn't want?
  92. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    My sister married an Englishman and lived there 8 years. They go back and forth all the time. The English still really despise the Irish and Americans. They’ll go on and on about how we mistreat blacks while denying any responsibility for starving the Irish.

    The more educated the English are the more they despise us and the more myths about America they believe.

    Standard myths Americans don’t read even New York City has no public transit there are no hospitals or ambulance service blacks attend segregated schools with an entirely different curriculum and textbooks American children are the worst behaved in the world blah blah blah

    • Agree: Bragadocious
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    "The more educated the English are the more they despise us and the more myths about America they believe.

    Standard myths Americans don’t read even New York City has no public transit there are no hospitals or ambulance service blacks attend segregated schools with an entirely different curriculum and textbooks American children are the worst behaved in the world blah blah blah"
     

    They get that from the BBC and Guardian, house journals of educated Brits but often not written by them (just as the NYT isn't 'heritage American').

    Everyone needs someone to hate, and now South Africa is a rainbow paradise, targets acceptable to our elites are thin on the ground. White Americans are an approved target.

    , @Paleo Liberal
    Some of the English I knew were absolutely certain that the only reason Americans were upset about BP’s disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was anti-British feelings by the Americans.

    Strangely enough, one of these fellows had even lived in the US.

    If anything, those Americans not of Irish ancestry are extremely pro-Brit, complete with an unhealthy obsession by American females over the British royals.
    , @Christian Moon
    Isn't it mostly the Irish who deny responsibility for starving the Irish?

    Why did they have children that they could not afford to feed?
  93. @Chrisnonymous
    She is not so bad. That's a purposefully haughty photo, and even then her lips are very nice.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0mArrtJW_400x400.jpg

    Is that the same woman? If so, she has a story about how she was raped at college but didn’t report it.

    Megan is Irish for Chrissie?

  94. To the Orangeman ,england is england, ireland is ireland and scotland is scotland etc etc. Great Britain is simply the grandiose creation.of the english. The empire is gone but the meglomania still exists.

  95. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    I did not notice. Please name several such alt right authors. All such pieces I see are sailer providing instances of sailer’s law for our amusement.

  96. Ms. Nolan is an Irish writer based in London.

    OK, but what’s her day job?

    I’d still like to know more about how these op-eds make it into print. I can only imagine that Nolan sent this out to several sympathetic outlets. The grievance industry must be a highly competitive one.

  97. She has the tone of the bitter ex-girlfriend angry her jerk ex doesn’t think about her enough. Taigs really are one of the most annoying peoples on earth.

  98. @jim jones
    The Irish have a reputation as con men and petty thieves here in England, just the other day I had one knock on my door and try to sell me a diesel generator. After a few seconds of listening to his brogue I sent him on his way:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSnJSUU_7q0

    Sounds more like a traveler (knacker). They are as poorly regarded in Ireland as they are over here.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    They are a protected class in England, for the usual characteristics (i.e. inferior intellect, morals, honesty, etc., etc.) beloved of the Left.

    Exhibit A:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5937189/Travellers-evicted-area-twice-set-camp-new-site-just-ONE-mile-road.html

    (the list of exhibits is endless).
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Yes, ask an Irishman what he thinks of (Irish) travellers and prepare to get your ears bent. They're as popular in Ireland as Roma gypsies are in Romania.
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duhykhvV36g#t=1h20m6s
  99. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers “staccato grievance commentary”™ about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Well summised!.

    Steve just hates the Irish, though. It’s as simple as that.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I’ve never seen any evidence that Steve hates the Irish. Any whatsoever. The modern Irish political class is perhaps the worst in the western world.
    They are busy destroying the nation they inherited from men whose boots they aren’t fit to polish.
  100. Steve, one thing that threw me is “(as long as the Hated are below her in the intersectional pecking order to ensure that she is Punching Up)”

    On what pedestal is she punching up in your perception?

    I realise this isn’t a forum but an explanation is required. Are the Irish now above the English and as such are quoted by the New York Times as a sign of solidarity with the Sistahood?

  101. Radio Mille Collines temporarily becomes Radio Une Colleen.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Good work. Funny that it's only by way of the Rwandan genocide that we can link the French word for 'hill' and the Irish word for 'girl'.
  102. @Lurker
    Sounds more like a traveler (knacker). They are as poorly regarded in Ireland as they are over here.

    They are a protected class in England, for the usual characteristics (i.e. inferior intellect, morals, honesty, etc., etc.) beloved of the Left.

    Exhibit A:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5937189/Travellers-evicted-area-twice-set-camp-new-site-just-ONE-mile-road.html

    (the list of exhibits is endless).

  103. @Pat Hannagan
    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.

    Well, none unless one wants to find some and misconstrue what was said in pursuit of their own ethnic biases.

    I note that the word “hate”, the phrases “Hate the English” and “Until Now” and the line “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now”, did not appear even once in the essay.

    Like you, Steve, the *(redacted ethnic pejorative) who wrote the headline was hoping to insert something that simply is not there. Something acrimonious and unreasonable. He or she was serving his or her ethnic bigotry just as you do with the Irish.

    A commenter above made an astute observation: “Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there’s an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position.”

    Why, it even gets a hyperlink in the essay itself: “EUROPE Read more about how Brexit affects the U.K. Irish border problem.”

    The author herself mentions Brexit thrice; unlike “hate”, “Hate the English” or “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now.”

    * Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors.

    “Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors.”

    If you’re going to have a fever dream, go the whole hog – he doesn’t mind “bogtrotter”, but he prefers “taig”.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    I've noticed.
  104. @D. K.
    On my father's side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?

    “On my father’s side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?”

    You are missing the magic ingredient. Just one small dose of minority DNA could get you an affirmative action job. Try a more aggressive testing service. Or just make it up.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    Those proportions are based on my documented ancestors. Here are my 23andMe.com results:

    ***

    European
    99.7%

    Eastern European
    27.7%
    Slovakia

    British & Irish
    15.6%
    Ireland

    Balkan
    9.5%
    Romania

    French & German
    5.7%

    Scandinavian
    2.1%

    Italian
    0.8%

    Finnish
    0.2%

    Broadly Northwestern European
    24.8%

    Broadly Southern European
    2.8%

    Broadly European
    10.5%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%

    Siberian
    0.1%

    Broadly East Asian
    0.1%

    ***
  105. @jimmyriddle
    "Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors."

    If you're going to have a fever dream, go the whole hog - he doesn't mind "bogtrotter", but he prefers "taig".

    I’ve noticed.

  106. @J.Ross
    If she's the same Londoner Megan Nolan (which she may well not be) as has written this ... this material, then it is entirely possible that her professions of hate (or love) are not permanent.
    http://megannolanwriting.tumblr.com/
    -------
    OT
    http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1539909518841.jpg

    I don’t think it is her, but it’s an interesting read.

    Guardian temp – check.

    Arty girl dumped by rich, self-confident Englishman – check.

    “I dated all over the city for several months, often becoming stranded in some obscure suburb and not having cab fare home. I realised then what having money gives you, which is utter freedom from dependence, from the need to trouble other people. “

    “Dated”.

    No money, but mixing with people who have a lot more – check.

    “I was filled not only with misery about what he was saying, and his awareness of it, but also with shame at how squalidly I was wasting my short life. I felt sick at how impoverished my internal life had become, the scrabbling for some engagement or affection from people I didn’t even like very much. I realised unhappily that nobody who knew me in any real sense knew where I was most nights. I was disseminating all my selves across London, each of them constructed, and paper thin, and ready to be thrown away with each new morning. “

    There are a lot of stories like this in London – and doubtless in NYC too.

  107. @Pat Hannagan
    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.

    Well, none unless one wants to find some and misconstrue what was said in pursuit of their own ethnic biases.

    I note that the word “hate”, the phrases “Hate the English” and “Until Now” and the line “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now”, did not appear even once in the essay.

    Like you, Steve, the *(redacted ethnic pejorative) who wrote the headline was hoping to insert something that simply is not there. Something acrimonious and unreasonable. He or she was serving his or her ethnic bigotry just as you do with the Irish.

    A commenter above made an astute observation: “Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there’s an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position.”

    Why, it even gets a hyperlink in the essay itself: “EUROPE Read more about how Brexit affects the U.K. Irish border problem.”

    The author herself mentions Brexit thrice; unlike “hate”, “Hate the English” or “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now.”

    * Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors.

    The Irish are hopping mad about Brexit. I’m party to a massive long Brexit thread on another place and the Irish are the major participants on it, followed by wet remainer Londoners, facing off against a few lone brexit warriors from the east of England. But the Irish are off the charts angry, and willing the whole thing to complete failure.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    If the EU breaks up the gravy train for the Paddies will be over. They will be back to growing potatoes.
    , @Lurker
    A member of my family, impeccably middle class, English liberal, living in London is very pro-Remain, as is his also impeccably middle class, Irish missus. I cast a blight on proceedings one day by blurting out that I'd voted Brexit.
  108. @Anon
    My sister married an Englishman and lived there 8 years. They go back and forth all the time. The English still really despise the Irish and Americans. They’ll go on and on about how we mistreat blacks while denying any responsibility for starving the Irish.

    The more educated the English are the more they despise us and the more myths about America they believe.

    Standard myths Americans don’t read even New York City has no public transit there are no hospitals or ambulance service blacks attend segregated schools with an entirely different curriculum and textbooks American children are the worst behaved in the world blah blah blah

    “The more educated the English are the more they despise us and the more myths about America they believe.

    Standard myths Americans don’t read even New York City has no public transit there are no hospitals or ambulance service blacks attend segregated schools with an entirely different curriculum and textbooks American children are the worst behaved in the world blah blah blah”

    They get that from the BBC and Guardian, house journals of educated Brits but often not written by them (just as the NYT isn’t ‘heritage American’).

    Everyone needs someone to hate, and now South Africa is a rainbow paradise, targets acceptable to our elites are thin on the ground. White Americans are an approved target.

  109. @Cagey Beast
    I'm not touching this one with a barge pole. I can hear the Internet WASPs buzzing already. (((Goldylocks))) has eaten your porridge and is sleeping in your bed but at least you can still be rude about the Irish online.

    I was sort of hoping a commenter would do the work to replace ‘English’ with ‘Jewish’ as a work of satire. (I suppose were it published on the main page, it’d be indistinguishable as such though.)

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    The difference is that the English, the plaine olde basic Whitee English, deserve no attribution to what the "English Elites" have done to them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9EjE4qm7b8

  110. @Bragadocious
    She's right about the Brits. They probably see Ireland as a place for a stag-do or piss-up while yelling insulting garbage at the locals. The thing about the Brits is, they try to pathologize any dislike anyone has for them. If you're Irish, they'll call you "bitter" and "living in the past." If you're American, you're a "plastic paddy" or, more hilariously, a Larouchite. They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they're saying that if you don't like their company, you have a mental disorder. This, oddly, tends to support their detractors even more.

    Divide and rule.

    “They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they’re saying that if you don’t like their company, you have a mental disorder. “

    You must know some very unrepresentative Brits. I’ve been a politics junkie for decades, and I’ve forgotten who Larouche is or was – some kind of rightie I assume.

    “She’s right about the Brits”

    No she isn’t. And if she’s living in London, the few Brits she meets will be highly unrepresentative. She needs to get out more.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    "Divide and rule"

    Divide what?
    , @Forbes

    They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years.
     
    A year and a half ago, I was walking past LaGuardia Community College (Long Island City, Queens), and there was a sidewalk table set-up with Lyndon Larouche propaganda manned with non-student adults. I don't remember the political issue du jour--it's usually a global financial conspiracy of some sort...the end of days, etc, etc.

    His politics are so far right they merge with the far left--or vice versa.
  111. @Tyrion 2
    I was sort of hoping a commenter would do the work to replace 'English' with 'Jewish' as a work of satire. (I suppose were it published on the main page, it'd be indistinguishable as such though.)

    The difference is that the English, the plaine olde basic Whitee English, deserve no attribution to what the “English Elites” have done to them.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    (On that note: in all seriousness: Matt Johnson of The The is touring the world right now.

    I took my kids to see him.

    WOW.)

    Better live than on record.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIklk1gHbuQ
  112. @J.Ross
    If she's the same Londoner Megan Nolan (which she may well not be) as has written this ... this material, then it is entirely possible that her professions of hate (or love) are not permanent.
    http://megannolanwriting.tumblr.com/
    -------
    OT
    http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1539909518841.jpg

    I actually quite enjoyed that, probably because it names a number of places that I am kniw well. If it is her, I wonder who on the NYT OpEd board she is sleeping with. Sarah Jeong is actually a possibility. This Megan has pretended that way before for emotional satisfaction. The Guardian internship also makes sense.

  113. @Pat Hannagan
    The difference is that the English, the plaine olde basic Whitee English, deserve no attribution to what the "English Elites" have done to them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9EjE4qm7b8

    (On that note: in all seriousness: Matt Johnson of The The is touring the world right now.

    I took my kids to see him.

    WOW.)

    Better live than on record.

  114. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    That nose ring? Nothing says, “I am a certified dumbass”, like a nose ring. If she made a small effort she is probably good looking.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Everybody here is piling on the nose ring, but in all honesty, nose rings are disgusting. I've said this before, nostrils are inherently gross, and anything that draws attention to the inside of the nose is also gross. Think of a used Kleenex or a sick toddler.

    My niece wears one of these and I just shake my head. She is totally oblivious to the signals it sends.
    , @Joe Walker
    You must be really old to be so fixated on a nose ring since people have been wearing them for decades. While I don't like them myself, I am aware that a lot of people do.
  115. Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment’s ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment’s Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant “we’re so racist” mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials – the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams’ recent self-identification as a “n***er” is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about “No dogs, no Irish” signs (i.e. “We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters”) while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn’t want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don’t like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of “Brits out/800 years of oppression” porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English – largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: “We hate the English too!” So, for example, Ireland’s gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as “West British”) now fulminates with resentment towards “Perfidious Albion”.

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she’s been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher – though I don’t doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were “political prisoners” in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment

    I haven't been to Dublin since 1965 but I flew in and out of Shannon in the West in 1987 and 1994. I didn't know that, but it makes sense there is a Blue State / Red State division between East and West in Ireland.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Very interesting.

    "If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes."

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe's "War Veterans" in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    , @Le Autiste Corv
    Very interesting, thanks.
    , @Matra
    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were “political prisoners” in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    Yes, it reminds me of the American media's lack of interest in Obama's (African) family background. Never mind the details, the symbolism is all that matters.
    , @Digital Samizdat
    Fascinating! Thanks for the extended comment.
    , @David Davenport
  116. In the future White men will breed with White women.

    Each conception will be without recourse to ingratiating ourselves to the reigning paradigm in gross gay English stereotypes.

    In the future our commentary will not be surveilled or subjected to over weening.

    Remember: Bushes (both) Both Clintons, Obama and Steve Sailer are 100% not Irish. Brown vs Board of Education. The entire Senate that voted in favour of Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

    I’m getting pretty fucking sick and tired of getting blamed for the errors of the Sailer’s of this world.

    My. People:

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Don't hold back--tell us how you REALLY feel...
  117. @Lurker
    I've noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they're just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don't believe it is most of the time.

    That’s funny. It is a thing I’ve said on numerous occasions.

    Partly because I believe it and partly because I believe it is a nice and welcoming thing to say.

    The Irish people I’ve spoken to have reacted by agreeing and elaborating on the detail. It then goes off in that way of semi-intellectual bond-building small talk.

    I suppose this silly girl would not like such ingratiating behaviour, were we on a date. She’d probably prefer it if I flirted sardonically with the waitress.

  118. @Fredrik
    Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there's an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position. If it indeed is and not just hers.

    Astonishingly Irish people were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, that halfwit Cameron even campaigned with the Irish President encouraging them to vote and vote for Remain.

    Us leaving the EU has once again reminded the Irish that they are an economic vassal of Britain, they will be hardest hit by Brexit. The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.

    • Replies: @DFH

    The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.
     
    Reminds me of my (Irish in a geographical sense) grandfather's suggestions
    , @Joe Walker
    Ireland has gotten a lot wealthier since joining the EU. It would probably get poorer if it left.
  119. @Pat Hannagan
    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.

    Well, none unless one wants to find some and misconstrue what was said in pursuit of their own ethnic biases.

    I note that the word “hate”, the phrases “Hate the English” and “Until Now” and the line “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now”, did not appear even once in the essay.

    Like you, Steve, the *(redacted ethnic pejorative) who wrote the headline was hoping to insert something that simply is not there. Something acrimonious and unreasonable. He or she was serving his or her ethnic bigotry just as you do with the Irish.

    A commenter above made an astute observation: “Part of her anger is almost certainly Brexit. Not only is she,probably, from the segments that voted Remain but there’s an Irish question in the Brexit negotiations. Quite instructive to view the Irish position.”

    Why, it even gets a hyperlink in the essay itself: “EUROPE Read more about how Brexit affects the U.K. Irish border problem.”

    The author herself mentions Brexit thrice; unlike “hate”, “Hate the English” or “I Didn’t Hate the English — Until Now.”

    * Pejorative for Jew which Steve Sailer abhors – unlike the racial slur “bog trotter” which he never abhors.

    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.

    What is reasonable about that essay? The fact that she talked about three Englishmen who once acted like drunken tosspots to extrapolate to an entire society? Or that the English in London didn’t always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is? Or the Brexit stuff she has shoved in there to hit the NYT’s ignorant buttons?

    Also, do you think they gave her a headline she didn’t want?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    I don't know what she wants other than what she wrote which had nothing whatsoever to do with the sub-editor's title and was not supported by anything written within.

    You and Steve "know" otherwise.

    Steve Sailer ran with it, you glommed on like the typical parasite * (expletive redacted in advance) you are.
    , @DFH

    Or that the English in London didn’t always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is?
     
    This article reminds me of some Irish buskers a couple of weeks ago who came into my tube carriage, started fiddling loudly, stopping me from listening to something I actually wanted to, and then were annoyed and started making snarky passive-agressive remarks when no-one would pay them.
  120. What she doesn’t understand is that the English look down on everybody.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    And that is an acceptable way to behave in your view?
    , @The Alarmist
    .
    , @The Alarmist
    I make it a point to look down on the English who report to me, but I do it in the genteel, English way. Karma is a bitch.
  121. @Tyrion 2

    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.
     
    What is reasonable about that essay? The fact that she talked about three Englishmen who once acted like drunken tosspots to extrapolate to an entire society? Or that the English in London didn't always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is? Or the Brexit stuff she has shoved in there to hit the NYT's ignorant buttons?

    Also, do you think they gave her a headline she didn't want?

    I don’t know what she wants other than what she wrote which had nothing whatsoever to do with the sub-editor’s title and was not supported by anything written within.

    You and Steve “know” otherwise.

    Steve Sailer ran with it, you glommed on like the typical parasite * (expletive redacted in advance) you are.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    You are a parasite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKDLx_YdeQ
    , @DFH

    I don’t know what she wants other than what she wrote
     
    So constant and effusive apologies/praise for the fact that the ancestors of the people she now chooses to live around allowed food exports from her country more than 150 years ago and, more recently, arrested terrorists, and also that British people think for a sufficient amount of time about her irrelevant little country (but only the right thoughts!) without being bothered by the fact she resents and is angry towards them (although she, again, chooses to live in their country)? Just that?
    , @Tyrion 2
    It is a perfect example of ethnic grievance mongering and the Irish in Britain have traditionally specialised in it.

    This is a newer version in that it mentions Brexit and is imbued with the psycho-sexual concerns of a young woman who was missold the Sex in the City lifestyle.

    It is to her Dad's rants about the English as the new Star Wars is to the old.

    Furthermore, I have no problem with the Irish. When I returned from a friend's wedding to one, I couldn't help but tell everyone that I really liked the people. They are easy to get along with and as witty as the stereotype.

    Nonetheless, I have noticed that if I ever mention my religion to one in London they tend to grab onto that and make some silly point about sticking together against the English. They're obviously not fully serious but I really don't have the feeling for that sort of behaviour so it is a bit annoying when they do it.
  122. @Pat Hannagan
    I don't know what she wants other than what she wrote which had nothing whatsoever to do with the sub-editor's title and was not supported by anything written within.

    You and Steve "know" otherwise.

    Steve Sailer ran with it, you glommed on like the typical parasite * (expletive redacted in advance) you are.

    You are a parasite

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    You're a darling.
  123. @D. K.
    On my father's side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?

    No American Indian parts ? no special treatment for you , poor Devil………and hideously white.

  124. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    Nose rings are used for recalcitrant animals , don’t want to be thought of as a haughty cow ,do we?

  125. You know there is absolutely zero chance that you could ever changed Steve Sailer’s mind or any Jew’s mind with any reference to fact or history.

    In Steve Sailer’s mind the Germans started WWII and the Irish started their own extermination in 1847 by not developing enough deep harbours or even having the sense to build some roads.

    Remember: key salient fact: Steve Sailer gets his history from Just-So Bedtime Stories by Greg Cochran

  126. @Tyrion 2

    It’s a perfectly reasonable essay with no note of grievance politics whatsoever.
     
    What is reasonable about that essay? The fact that she talked about three Englishmen who once acted like drunken tosspots to extrapolate to an entire society? Or that the English in London didn't always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is? Or the Brexit stuff she has shoved in there to hit the NYT's ignorant buttons?

    Also, do you think they gave her a headline she didn't want?

    Or that the English in London didn’t always treat her as the super special four leaf clover her father says she is?

    This article reminds me of some Irish buskers a couple of weeks ago who came into my tube carriage, started fiddling loudly, stopping me from listening to something I actually wanted to, and then were annoyed and started making snarky passive-agressive remarks when no-one would pay them.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    At least you didn't ride the 1-2-3 in the late '80s-early '90s. Ask a longtime New Yorker about the "Man from Mars."
  127. @Pat Hannagan
    I don't know what she wants other than what she wrote which had nothing whatsoever to do with the sub-editor's title and was not supported by anything written within.

    You and Steve "know" otherwise.

    Steve Sailer ran with it, you glommed on like the typical parasite * (expletive redacted in advance) you are.

    I don’t know what she wants other than what she wrote

    So constant and effusive apologies/praise for the fact that the ancestors of the people she now chooses to live around allowed food exports from her country more than 150 years ago and, more recently, arrested terrorists, and also that British people think for a sufficient amount of time about her irrelevant little country (but only the right thoughts!) without being bothered by the fact she resents and is angry towards them (although she, again, chooses to live in their country)? Just that?

  128. @Orangeman
    Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn't make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    Orangeman………..you Of all people ought to know, if they were smart enough to dislike the IRA, they wouldn’t be paptists.

  129. @Bubba
    LOL! Great comment! BTW - This story of a whiny Irish broad bitching about living in London reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly "climbed" the Statue of Liberty. In actuality she could not climb past Lady Liberty's big toe.

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/04/woman-climbs-statue-of-liberty-as-protesters-busted-for-abolish-ice-banner/

    reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly “climbed” the Statue of Liberty.

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Bubba
    Wow! LOL! Now that is brilliant! Too bad it wasn’t on the front page of the New York Post when it happened!
  130. @Orangeman
    Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn't make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    >Sinn Fein

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    "Brits Out! Blacks In!"

    The American empire had far better luck taming the Irish than the English ever did.
  131. @jimmyriddle
    Radio Mille Collines temporarily becomes Radio Une Colleen.

    Good work. Funny that it’s only by way of the Rwandan genocide that we can link the French word for ‘hill’ and the Irish word for ‘girl’.

  132. @Pat Hannagan
    I don't know what she wants other than what she wrote which had nothing whatsoever to do with the sub-editor's title and was not supported by anything written within.

    You and Steve "know" otherwise.

    Steve Sailer ran with it, you glommed on like the typical parasite * (expletive redacted in advance) you are.

    It is a perfect example of ethnic grievance mongering and the Irish in Britain have traditionally specialised in it.

    This is a newer version in that it mentions Brexit and is imbued with the psycho-sexual concerns of a young woman who was missold the Sex in the City lifestyle.

    It is to her Dad’s rants about the English as the new Star Wars is to the old.

    Furthermore, I have no problem with the Irish. When I returned from a friend’s wedding to one, I couldn’t help but tell everyone that I really liked the people. They are easy to get along with and as witty as the stereotype.

    Nonetheless, I have noticed that if I ever mention my religion to one in London they tend to grab onto that and make some silly point about sticking together against the English. They’re obviously not fully serious but I really don’t have the feeling for that sort of behaviour so it is a bit annoying when they do it.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    'I have noticed that if I ever mention my religion to one in London they tend to grab onto that and make some silly point about sticking together against the English'

    Pray tell. What are you some kind of Amish?
  133. Fed up and demoralized, I wandered off to the cinema and saw “Black ’47,” a thriller set during the Irish famine.

    See, that’s where she really went wrong!

    No harbours! No Roads! = No economy!

    No one cares about 1847 the only thing that moves Steve Sailer is 1) auschwitz 2) soap 3) auschwitz 4) soap 5) auschwitz 6) soap etc

    Remember: Steve Sailer = True Red White and BLUE (Star of David) American!

    From the Halls of Kind David
    To the Sea of Gallilee
    We fight Israel’s battles
    In the air, on land, and sea;

  134. @Pat Hannagan
    You are a parasite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZKDLx_YdeQ

    You’re a darling.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0DRD31c6Nk

    I stared at the squall line
    I stared at the fault line
    I see a funnel black there
    I think I see a crack there
    Landscapes alive
    And it's moving my feet
    All I need's a Holocaust
    To make my day complete

    Black '47
  135. @Tyrion 2
    You're a darling.

    I stared at the squall line
    I stared at the fault line
    I see a funnel black there
    I think I see a crack there
    Landscapes alive
    And it’s moving my feet
    All I need’s a Holocaust
    To make my day complete

    Black ’47

  136. @Achilles
    Contact Scotland Yard. The decapitated pigeon head could be a breakthrough in the unsolved Case of the Bitten-Off Pigeon Head:

    A disgusting video showing a builder biting a pigeon's head off while it's still alive has been released by the RSPCA.

    The clip, which appears to have been filmed on a building site, shows the man hitting the bird from its nest with a stick while saying 'come to daddy'.

    He then grabs the distressed bird and rips its head off with his teeth before spitting it out....

    His friends can be heard laughing in the disturbing footage believed to have been filmed in the North of England or Wales. ....

    'If what this video seems to show is accurate, the pain and suffering caused to the pigeon is likely to have been unimaginable.

    'Biting the head off a pigeon is likely to constitute an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

    'We're very eager for information identifying the individual involved, or providing related background, to be brought to our attention as a matter of urgency.

    'It has been suggested to us that the incident may have links to either the North of England or Wales.

    'However, we are eager for any information which could assist with our inquiries on this serious matter.'

    Anyone with information is asked to call the RSPCA's inspectorate appeal line on 0300 123 8018.
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5790897/RSPCA-releases-stomach-churning-video-builder-biting-head-live-pigeon.html

    Fookin’ Ozzy! ‘E dunnit.

  137. @J.Ross
    If she's the same Londoner Megan Nolan (which she may well not be) as has written this ... this material, then it is entirely possible that her professions of hate (or love) are not permanent.
    http://megannolanwriting.tumblr.com/
    -------
    OT
    http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1539909518841.jpg

    If is her, her need for the English to take notice of her (and a few other things) may have an explanation.

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.

    When I was a child I learned how to lie. My parents were separated, and for one half of the month I lived with my father, for the other my mother. My father’s house was sedate and cultural. My mother’s was often full of red-eyed people still up from the night before, unclean men trying to pull me onto their knees, perpetually smoking women encouraging my needy joke-telling. In my father’s house I learned to be restrained and quiet and moderate in all things, would sit for hours reading nourishing fiction and basking in the warm glow of being no trouble. My consumption of things was monitored and commented on and I came to understood that the less one consumed the better they were.

    ….

    I exaggerated the clipped, wealthy voice I had inherited from my English father.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Everytime the same: it's either because of a boyfriend or because of their father.

    I liked this excerpt you posted:

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.
     
    ...this makes no sense whatsoever. Her need for getting attention does concern me, because it has many externalities. And is she sure she's pleaseed when other people behave badly? Would she support, say, lynchers?
    , @J.Ross
    it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me

    The most female sentence in the English language.
  138. @DFH
    >Sinn Fein

    https://comeheretome.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/edmund.jpg

    “Brits Out! Blacks In!”

    The American empire had far better luck taming the Irish than the English ever did.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Maybe that is because Americans never tried to exterminate the Irish?
  139. @Irish Paleo
    Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment's ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment's Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant "we're so racist" mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials - the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams' recent self-identification as a "n***er" is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about "No dogs, no Irish" signs (i.e. "We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters") while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn't want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don't like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of "Brits out/800 years of oppression" porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English - largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: "We hate the English too!" So, for example, Ireland's gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as "West British") now fulminates with resentment towards "Perfidious Albion".

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman's motivations, I'd say part of it is that she's from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she's had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she's been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher - though I don't doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were "political prisoners" in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment

    I haven’t been to Dublin since 1965 but I flew in and out of Shannon in the West in 1987 and 1994. I didn’t know that, but it makes sense there is a Blue State / Red State division between East and West in Ireland.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Here's a basic metric:

    The Irish in Oz were here as a result of 1798

    The Irish in America were as a result of 1847

    The former were relayed on government sponsored ships.

    The latter were private contracts.

    In neither instance did the Irish declare "We love America let's leave our harbourless, road-less, backwoods home of nothing of anything even closely resembling repute for English America."

    The author is right. You have a hackneyed notion of British (read English) moral dispensation without prejudice and have at the same time absolutely zero regard for the truth yet also promote yourself as Israel's first line of defense when it comes to the culture wars.

    Rather than admit you have no regard for your basic fellow American you seek to sow discord.

    , @JMcG
    It’s more like a blue/dark blue divide in my experience. There’s not the least sympathy for anything that would be regarded as conservative in this country. Only one county voted no in the referendum held earlier this year, the aim of which was to legalize abortion.
    That was Donegal, about as far from Dublin as one can get.
    , @Irish Paleo
    The best way to understand the island of Ireland is that it consists of three historic nations:

    1. Western England - Basically, Dublin and the surrounding counties (not the North) were the traditional bastions of Irish Unionism. These parts of the country were the most culturally Anglicised and Dublin is, in many ways, much more like a Northern English city than a typically Irish town (think Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield). This part of the country resisted independence until 1916 and was only a reluctant convert to it. To this day, Dublin people are known as "Jackeens" as they were the last people in the Republic to dispense with the Union Jack.

    2. Western Scotland - Basically the six counties of Northern Ireland. This part of the country has been indelibly marked by immigration from Scotland (including a fairly nasty form of migration that involved Oliver Cromwell expropriating locals and giving their land to Scottish planters). These people have no great love for the English at all (albeit some residual affection for Scotland). In this part of the country, religion is everything (Catholic v. Protestant). Whereas, in Scotland, Protestants were too lopsided a majority to fear Catholics, in Northern Ireland, there was a realistic fear that Catholics would "out-breed" Protestants. Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly (and back in the 18th century, their merchant class was a nucleus of discontent in relation to discriminatory English trade policies) but they cannot abide living in a country without a Protestant majority so they have made do.

    3. Ireland Proper: This is basically the West, South, Midlands and border areas of the country. For decades, the entire Irish political system was separated by reference to agrarian splits in this primarily rural part of the country. As late on as the early 80s, two bland amorphous centre parties had a combined 84% of the vote in Ireland (which, in a proportional representation system, is extraordinary). One of those parties supported the interests of ranchers while the other represented those of small farmers. Even in urban Ireland, these two parties dominated politics - not least because rural transplants in Ireland had a habit of bringing their politics with them when the migrated to cities rather than adopting the urban politics they arrived on.

  140. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Women op-ed writers seem to be competing lately…

    The attitude this woman has is less a “woman” thing and more an “Irish” thing. They’re always complaining about how the English don’t care. Of course, the English cared very deeply about Ireland for about 800 years, but they weren’t happy about that either.

    There’s just no pleasing some people.

  141. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:

    I used to be proud to be of Irish descent, but Ireland’s gotten so pozzed these days that it’s more a source of embarrassment than pride for me now. But in fairness, the Irish aren’t the only ones known to gripe about the English getting shit-faced and fighting, or doing other dumb shit in public. Hooligan-like behavior is a stereotype of the English that’s widely shared by the Continentals.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Don't get Spaniards started on English tourists.
  142. @Irish Paleo
    Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment's ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment's Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant "we're so racist" mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials - the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams' recent self-identification as a "n***er" is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about "No dogs, no Irish" signs (i.e. "We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters") while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn't want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don't like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of "Brits out/800 years of oppression" porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English - largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: "We hate the English too!" So, for example, Ireland's gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as "West British") now fulminates with resentment towards "Perfidious Albion".

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman's motivations, I'd say part of it is that she's from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she's had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she's been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher - though I don't doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were "political prisoners" in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    Thanks. Very interesting.

    “If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes.”

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe’s “War Veterans” in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    One of the biggest reasons the English felt they had to dominate the island of Ireland is that it's windward of the island of Great Britain. In the age of sail, that would mean England could be totally checkmated by any king of Spain or France who managed to base his fleet there.
    , @DFH

    My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other.
     
    But this is not the case, Ireland since at least the Great Reform Act was a huge source of division in British politics, since an entire wing of the British political elite both sympathised with Ireland and needed their votes. And from the Glorious Revolution to 1798, Ireland was essentially managed independently by the Ascendancy, and so not significant for internal British politics.
    It is more complicated going back to the 17th century, but even then the fear of Charles or James raising a Catholic army in Ireland only exacerbated differences. And it is not like Britain, even at that time, lacked places to settle surplus population.
    , @Irish Paleo
    I've read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You've often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party's policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O'Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a "Castle Catholic" (i.e. one of the island's Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen's government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as "Peter the Packer" for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O'Donoghue or, for that matter, O'Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said's channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of "Orientalism". The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture - they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don't. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the "diverse" cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of "social justice", they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.
    , @Joe Walker
    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English.

    And yet you criticize this Irish woman for writing an article critical of the English?
    , @anon

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English.
     
    So do the Scotch and the Welsh, yet neither country has torn itself to pieces over it.

    (Well, Scotland nearly cut off its nose to spite its face a couple of years ago, and still might... still, they at least seem content to work out their hatreds peacefully.)

    My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other.
     
    Hmm... no. Maybe you could make this argument stick if you went back far enough, but as some other commenter pointed out, Ireland was long a source of tension in English politics, not a pressure relief valve.

    And you'd still have to explain why Ireland was a punching bag but not Scotland or Wales.

    I suppose you could say that Scotland and Wales were punching bags also, but they had all their resistance punched out of them; Ireland, from the English perspective, wasn't punched hard enough, and the Irish remained capable of rebellion. (Kind of like the argument that Germany wasn't defeated thoroughly enough after WW1, but they were after WW2.)

    But I don't think this would withstand all that much scrutiny. The English probably punched Ireland harder than they ever punched Scotland or Wales, for a start. (Especially if you consider the famine to have been deliberate.) Meanwhile, despite being peaceful neighbours, the Scotch and the Welsh don't like the English all that much either. (See above, and observe the hypocritical crying that calling them "the Scotch" can engender.)

    So why do the Irish hate the English so much, and to the point of violence? I don't have a good, scientific answer, just a personal observation that Irish people love feuding. They're not happy if they don't have an enemy (usually a relative), and if they patch it up with one, they find another one pretty quick. It's almost like they need an enemy to properly orient themselves in the world: things are out of balance when you don't hate anybody. (I think it's genetic.)

    With that in mind, it's probably closer to the truth that England provides a pressure valve for Irish society, not the other way around. "Me against me broughder, me and me broughder against me cousin, me and me broughder and me cousin against the bastard English."

    Chesterton knew the score:

    For the great Gaels of Ireland
    Are the men that God made mad,
    For all their wars are merry,
    And all their songs are sad.
     
  143. @Steve Sailer
    The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment

    I haven't been to Dublin since 1965 but I flew in and out of Shannon in the West in 1987 and 1994. I didn't know that, but it makes sense there is a Blue State / Red State division between East and West in Ireland.

    Here’s a basic metric:

    The Irish in Oz were here as a result of 1798

    The Irish in America were as a result of 1847

    The former were relayed on government sponsored ships.

    The latter were private contracts.

    In neither instance did the Irish declare “We love America let’s leave our harbourless, road-less, backwoods home of nothing of anything even closely resembling repute for English America.”

    The author is right. You have a hackneyed notion of British (read English) moral dispensation without prejudice and have at the same time absolutely zero regard for the truth yet also promote yourself as Israel’s first line of defense when it comes to the culture wars.

    Rather than admit you have no regard for your basic fellow American you seek to sow discord.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    'In neither instance did the Irish declare “We love America let’s leave our harbourless, road-less, backwoods home of nothing of anything even closely resembling repute for English America'

    Right obviously many of them were forced to leave but many of them came to America voluntarily before and since.
  144. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Very interesting.

    "If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes."

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe's "War Veterans" in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    One of the biggest reasons the English felt they had to dominate the island of Ireland is that it’s windward of the island of Great Britain. In the age of sail, that would mean England could be totally checkmated by any king of Spain or France who managed to base his fleet there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's an interesting observation. The major European fleets moved to steam propulsion in the 1840s and 50s. Did English attitudes to Ireland change at that time?
    , @Joe Walker
    And so that justifies the British oppressing the native Irish Catholics for hundreds of years?
  145. @LondonBob
    Astonishingly Irish people were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, that halfwit Cameron even campaigned with the Irish President encouraging them to vote and vote for Remain.

    Us leaving the EU has once again reminded the Irish that they are an economic vassal of Britain, they will be hardest hit by Brexit. The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.

    The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.

    Reminds me of my (Irish in a geographical sense) grandfather’s suggestions

  146. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Very interesting.

    "If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes."

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe's "War Veterans" in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other.

    But this is not the case, Ireland since at least the Great Reform Act was a huge source of division in British politics, since an entire wing of the British political elite both sympathised with Ireland and needed their votes. And from the Glorious Revolution to 1798, Ireland was essentially managed independently by the Ascendancy, and so not significant for internal British politics.
    It is more complicated going back to the 17th century, but even then the fear of Charles or James raising a Catholic army in Ireland only exacerbated differences. And it is not like Britain, even at that time, lacked places to settle surplus population.

  147. @Cowboy Shaw
    The Irish are hopping mad about Brexit. I'm party to a massive long Brexit thread on another place and the Irish are the major participants on it, followed by wet remainer Londoners, facing off against a few lone brexit warriors from the east of England. But the Irish are off the charts angry, and willing the whole thing to complete failure.

    If the EU breaks up the gravy train for the Paddies will be over. They will be back to growing potatoes.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    A gross exaggeration but the Irish have certainly done a lot better in the European Union than they ever did when they were under British rule.
  148. @Irish Paleo
    Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment's ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment's Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant "we're so racist" mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials - the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams' recent self-identification as a "n***er" is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about "No dogs, no Irish" signs (i.e. "We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters") while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn't want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don't like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of "Brits out/800 years of oppression" porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English - largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: "We hate the English too!" So, for example, Ireland's gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as "West British") now fulminates with resentment towards "Perfidious Albion".

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman's motivations, I'd say part of it is that she's from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she's had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she's been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher - though I don't doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were "political prisoners" in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    Very interesting, thanks.

  149. Steve, I have been banned from RRTI for exposing the truth about you (believe me these guys love the Jew way more than you. You should hold a contest over it some time).

    Anyway, this song reminded me of lot of you and the way you approach history:

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
  150. @Anonymous
    I used to be proud to be of Irish descent, but Ireland's gotten so pozzed these days that it's more a source of embarrassment than pride for me now. But in fairness, the Irish aren't the only ones known to gripe about the English getting shit-faced and fighting, or doing other dumb shit in public. Hooligan-like behavior is a stereotype of the English that's widely shared by the Continentals.

    Don’t get Spaniards started on English tourists.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    And don't get the English started on their "Spanish waiter" story.
  151. @kaganovitch
    You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right? Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet . Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies? Nah, you're Corvinus.

    “You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right?”

    Airhead, indeed.

    “Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet.”

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    “Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies?”

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.
     
    Corvy, why are you pretending to be so stupid? But just in case it's not pretense, let me make it obvious for you:

    Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.

    Don't you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed? I don't believe you're this thickheaded. You are fooling no one with your middle-of-the-road shtick.

    , @Tyrion 2

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.
     
    Yes, lot's of people go to a dark place to read his stuff, but dare a single person in the public eye mention reading it? Very, very occasionally.

    I recently sent a link of one of his pieces to a normie female friend. She wrote back that she loved me. That is another way of saying that I was a lunatic for sending such a link to another person. Who knows if I might get denounced?

    Her response would obviously be more humdrum were I to link to the NYT.
    , @Pheasant
    'The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.'

    Lol wut?
  152. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    …about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    …about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?
     
    Perhaps he's a parody account? Like Tiny Duck, only more subtle....
    , @Corvinus
    "It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?"

    It's Fake News, right? So why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?
  153. @syonredux

    This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths.”

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece
     

    Does the NYTIMES routinely run opinion pieces by Alt-Right authors?

    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying “Look at me” when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.

    I would say the supermajority of normies, aka the “mushy middle”, have not even heard of Nolan before, and would be unmoved by her screed. There are more important things to NOTICE rather than some white feminista.

    Don’t you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?

    • Replies: @JimS
    I must be a retard, because I still don't understand your point. Every writer does their job simply to say "look at me." In fact, that is part of the definition of being a writer. Who wants to write for no audience?

    The key differences, as are being explained to you patiently by many of those you demean, are that this reporter is on staff at a major publication and that the article is picked up in a third country for its publication. The problem is not with the writer per se, but with the fact that said writer is used, as referenced, as a cudgel against those who the publishers decide are in need of attacking. I think the rantings of some troubled Irish girl are immaterial and pretty boring myself, but the fact that this is shown to us in newspapers that deem themselves the official record is profoundly telling. This is what Steve is NOTICING: the fact that this is published where it is, and why. The screed of some "feminista" is therefore of considerable import.

    Steve fits into this by enjoying to point out such craziness, and pass it on to others who enjoy looking at the craziness for what it is. So, then, what exactly is your point here? It is all secondary school/high school, but Steve is part of the crowd pointing out the absurdities of the popular kids, in the vain hope that they will change their own destructive behaviour.

    Maybe you could make it extra slow for the rest of us. Not all of us are intellectual giants like you, you know.

    Also, I know you typed in a hurry, but please use proper grammar. Your diatribe implies Steve and Irish girl co-penned a single rant.
    , @syonredux

    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying “Look at me” when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.
     
    Dear boy, you do realize that this lady gets her stuff in the NYTIMES, right?Wake me when Steve is afforded the same imprimatur....

    Don’t you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?
     
    Nah, they get the same stuff that the Whites and East Asians get: Pope, Gibbon, Burke,Benjamin Franklin, Henry Fielding, etc. Of course, they don't like it. Too European.
  154. Seems to me rather than the bombastic idiot spew you sought to provoke all you ave left are cogent thoughts and analysis on the plight of the White man.

    No one would dare insult your precious Jews, everyone can see that your animus against the Irish is heartfelt and we would all like to understand what first brought it on. So have your way and let it spew, Steve, let it flow

  155. Steve, as RRTI has banned me, remember:

    Fuck you and their Jew loving anglo **** ways.

  156. @Anon
    My sister married an Englishman and lived there 8 years. They go back and forth all the time. The English still really despise the Irish and Americans. They’ll go on and on about how we mistreat blacks while denying any responsibility for starving the Irish.

    The more educated the English are the more they despise us and the more myths about America they believe.

    Standard myths Americans don’t read even New York City has no public transit there are no hospitals or ambulance service blacks attend segregated schools with an entirely different curriculum and textbooks American children are the worst behaved in the world blah blah blah

    Some of the English I knew were absolutely certain that the only reason Americans were upset about BP’s disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was anti-British feelings by the Americans.

    Strangely enough, one of these fellows had even lived in the US.

    If anything, those Americans not of Irish ancestry are extremely pro-Brit, complete with an unhealthy obsession by American females over the British royals.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    English people notice that we're often the bad guys in your movies, especially the Gibson movies. We assume that is the result of some sort of jealousy, probably because it both partially is and because it flatters us.

    Other reasons include our superior general acting abilities, screen presence and that it does not contravene PC to have an Englishman as the bad guy.

    The phenomenon has even been made fun of in an award winning advert for Jaguar.

    https://youtu.be/e7gR7EYjcP8

    , @Desiderius
    I would not be at all shocked to be a subject of King William or George some time before I join the Church Triumphant.
    , @anon

    Some of the English I knew were absolutely certain that the only reason Americans were upset about BP’s disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was anti-British feelings by the Americans.
     
    Well, it certainly looked that way. American politicians kept going out of their way to call it "British Petroleum".

    My theory has been that Americans have, accidentally or from some malign purpose, been miseducated about the founding of their own country. In a nutshell: Paul Revere said, "The regulars are coming!" He did not say, "The British are coming!" It would have seemed absurd if he had, because Paul Revere and all his fellow revolutionaries were British. Or English, rather.

    Americans seem to remember it as a war of American independence, which makes one think of revolt against foreign occupation, and thus makes aliens of the British. But it was surely a revolution: a convulsion within one people, not between two. A civil war, if you will.

    (Interestingly enough, Wikipedia tells me that "Modern British writers generally favor "American War of Independence", rather than "American Rebellion" or "War of American Independence". The source is the English National Curriculum, which I suppose makes sense: given the totalitarian drift of the British government, they probably don't want young Britons getting any dangerous ideas.)
  157. @Pat Hannagan
    NOTICE the parallel at your peril…a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers “staccato grievance commentary”™ about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Well summised!.

    Steve just hates the Irish, though. It's as simple as that.

    I’ve never seen any evidence that Steve hates the Irish. Any whatsoever. The modern Irish political class is perhaps the worst in the western world.
    They are busy destroying the nation they inherited from men whose boots they aren’t fit to polish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Here's my most extended take on Irish history:

    http://takimag.com/article/thinking_of_england_steve_sailer/#ixzz44M7kmE4P

  158. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    I’m assuming she’s not married. Hoping, even.

    Young men, please stop here and listen,
    And pray that ye listen well.
    That nose ring may beckon and glisten,
    But it leads straight to Vicky Bissell.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  159. anonymous[767] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right?"

    Airhead, indeed.

    "Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet."

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    "Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies?"

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.

    Corvy, why are you pretending to be so stupid? But just in case it’s not pretense, let me make it obvious for you:

    Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.

    Don’t you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed? I don’t believe you’re this thickheaded. You are fooling no one with your middle-of-the-road shtick.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2, Clyde
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    'Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets."

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right. They need not be seeking to court the liberal or conservative elite publications. They are recognized by their followers as being the elites of the cause. Clearly these four individuals are a select part of large group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability to articulate Alt Right positions.

    "Don’t you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed?"

    These "attacks" are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes. You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor. Again, most normies, aka the "Mushy Middle", have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.
  160. @Corvinus
    "You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right?"

    Airhead, indeed.

    "Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet."

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    "Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies?"

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    Yes, lot’s of people go to a dark place to read his stuff, but dare a single person in the public eye mention reading it? Very, very occasionally.

    I recently sent a link of one of his pieces to a normie female friend. She wrote back that she loved me. That is another way of saying that I was a lunatic for sending such a link to another person. Who knows if I might get denounced?

    Her response would obviously be more humdrum were I to link to the NYT.

  161. @Steve Sailer
    The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment

    I haven't been to Dublin since 1965 but I flew in and out of Shannon in the West in 1987 and 1994. I didn't know that, but it makes sense there is a Blue State / Red State division between East and West in Ireland.

    It’s more like a blue/dark blue divide in my experience. There’s not the least sympathy for anything that would be regarded as conservative in this country. Only one county voted no in the referendum held earlier this year, the aim of which was to legalize abortion.
    That was Donegal, about as far from Dublin as one can get.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Good old Donegal. Until well into adulthood, Donegal was pretty much the whole of Ireland for me. The rest of it was just stuff I saw as we raced from the airport or ferry terminal. I don't think I rode a train in the South until I was in my thirties because Donegal isn't linked to any rail lines. In Donegal, to get to the North, one goes directly east. That county is sui generis.
  162. @Paleo Liberal
    Some of the English I knew were absolutely certain that the only reason Americans were upset about BP’s disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was anti-British feelings by the Americans.

    Strangely enough, one of these fellows had even lived in the US.

    If anything, those Americans not of Irish ancestry are extremely pro-Brit, complete with an unhealthy obsession by American females over the British royals.

    English people notice that we’re often the bad guys in your movies, especially the Gibson movies. We assume that is the result of some sort of jealousy, probably because it both partially is and because it flatters us.

    Other reasons include our superior general acting abilities, screen presence and that it does not contravene PC to have an Englishman as the bad guy.

    The phenomenon has even been made fun of in an award winning advert for Jaguar.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Was it one of the Iron Man movies where Ben Kingsley played a British actor who was hired by the vilian to portray a villain, and thus take the spotlight off the real villain?
    , @Bragadocious
    You people certainly are a bunch of sensitive snowflakes aren't you. The entire history of Hollywood is filled with British influence, most of it really bad. They used Hollywood to soften up the American populace for our involvement in WW2, which is unfortunate because we fought for people who to this day have not one iota of gratitude. And I would add, pretty much 99% of the British media are anti-American to the core. We don't complain about that much, though we could. I enjoyed that Montana congressman body-slamming the British "reporter" though.
  163. @JMcG
    I’ve never seen any evidence that Steve hates the Irish. Any whatsoever. The modern Irish political class is perhaps the worst in the western world.
    They are busy destroying the nation they inherited from men whose boots they aren’t fit to polish.

    Here’s my most extended take on Irish history:

    http://takimag.com/article/thinking_of_england_steve_sailer/#ixzz44M7kmE4P

  164. @sb
    Dublin and London went their seperate ways around a century ago yet (Republican) Irish consider that they have an automatic right to live in the UK on the same terms as a UK national (this has been the case both before, during and after EU membership)

    Time for the UK to put Ireland and the Irish in the same position as ,say, Bulgaria.

    I've always found it imteresting that consecutive Irish Governments have always stressed their seperateness from any Anglosphere (or Commonwealth ) links - witness the Irish leader of the time paying a courtesy call on the German Legation upon Hitler's death to deliver official condolences - and yet one finds the Irish diaspora (the world's largest per capita ) much more in London,New York , Toronto and Sydney than in Berlin,Paris , Rome and Madrid

    Incidentally my origins are probably majority Irish Catholic (although I always say anglo celtic or west briton as I find professional lepra-corny Irish an extremely tedious crowd)

    The common travel area has been in use since 1921. It does not really make sense to abandon it. As for the UK treating Ireland like Bulgaria it is actually Britain that inists on treating ireland more closely than a foreign country. After ireland left the commonwealth in 1948 Britain passed a law stating that ireland is to be treated as a part of Britain (with regards to new laws) unless otherwise specifically exempted.

    This makes sense as one of the reasons for colonising Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions. The two countriee routinely do things together-they decimilised currencies at the same time, joined the european union together etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Ireland has traditionally been a complication to English national self-rule. Winston Churchill in the 1930s used to compliment himself in the newspapers for disposing of Ireland in the early 1920s as an impediment to Parliament, which in Churchill's view had been bogged down in petty Irish concerns for what should have been its golden age.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    , @sb
    I'm aware of the history.
    What I am saying is that it is now an appropriate time to say goodbye to all that and move on .
    As recent events have shown (eg the same sex marriage and abortion votes plus the gay Indian prime minister ) contemporary Ireland is a place well worth distancing yourself from
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions

     

    You could say Britain was a backdoor for invasions into Ireland. Normans from France, Oranges from the Netherlands.
  165. @Tyrion 2
    It is a perfect example of ethnic grievance mongering and the Irish in Britain have traditionally specialised in it.

    This is a newer version in that it mentions Brexit and is imbued with the psycho-sexual concerns of a young woman who was missold the Sex in the City lifestyle.

    It is to her Dad's rants about the English as the new Star Wars is to the old.

    Furthermore, I have no problem with the Irish. When I returned from a friend's wedding to one, I couldn't help but tell everyone that I really liked the people. They are easy to get along with and as witty as the stereotype.

    Nonetheless, I have noticed that if I ever mention my religion to one in London they tend to grab onto that and make some silly point about sticking together against the English. They're obviously not fully serious but I really don't have the feeling for that sort of behaviour so it is a bit annoying when they do it.

    ‘I have noticed that if I ever mention my religion to one in London they tend to grab onto that and make some silly point about sticking together against the English’

    Pray tell. What are you some kind of Amish?

  166. @Pat Hannagan
    Here's a basic metric:

    The Irish in Oz were here as a result of 1798

    The Irish in America were as a result of 1847

    The former were relayed on government sponsored ships.

    The latter were private contracts.

    In neither instance did the Irish declare "We love America let's leave our harbourless, road-less, backwoods home of nothing of anything even closely resembling repute for English America."

    The author is right. You have a hackneyed notion of British (read English) moral dispensation without prejudice and have at the same time absolutely zero regard for the truth yet also promote yourself as Israel's first line of defense when it comes to the culture wars.

    Rather than admit you have no regard for your basic fellow American you seek to sow discord.

    ‘In neither instance did the Irish declare “We love America let’s leave our harbourless, road-less, backwoods home of nothing of anything even closely resembling repute for English America’

    Right obviously many of them were forced to leave but many of them came to America voluntarily before and since.

  167. @Corvinus
    "You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right?"

    Airhead, indeed.

    "Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet."

    No, he has millions of page views. Very popular writer.

    "Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies?"

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.

    ‘The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.’

    Lol wut?

  168. @Pheasant
    The common travel area has been in use since 1921. It does not really make sense to abandon it. As for the UK treating Ireland like Bulgaria it is actually Britain that inists on treating ireland more closely than a foreign country. After ireland left the commonwealth in 1948 Britain passed a law stating that ireland is to be treated as a part of Britain (with regards to new laws) unless otherwise specifically exempted.

    This makes sense as one of the reasons for colonising Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions. The two countriee routinely do things together-they decimilised currencies at the same time, joined the european union together etc.

    Ireland has traditionally been a complication to English national self-rule. Winston Churchill in the 1930s used to compliment himself in the newspapers for disposing of Ireland in the early 1920s as an impediment to Parliament, which in Churchill’s view had been bogged down in petty Irish concerns for what should have been its golden age.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, Westminster should have given Ireland Home Rule back in Parnell and Gladstone's day, for its own sake, if anything. In fact the UK likely would have been better off as a confederation, like Canada. Ireland likely would have done better as well. Inside the Canadian confederation, Quebec just voted in a government that has more in common with Victor Orban's than it does with Ireland's.

    Confederations are the political embodiment of the saying "good fences make good neighbours".

    , @Charles Pewitt
    The EU is a sovereignty-sapping scam run by bankers and ruling class slobs such as Cameron and May and Macron and Merkel.

    Italian patriots will drive a stake right through the evil EU and finish the EU for good.

    Small nations that have used the EU as a lever will be out of luck when the evil EU expires.

    God Bless England!
    , @Joe Walker
    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    And yet you criticize the writer for being pro-EU and anti-Brexit. Admit it Steve you are just jealous that she got published in the NYT and you didn't!
  169. @Clifford Brown
    YESSS!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt7DOPm8Hs

    * This song has a new edginess these days.

    Oh wait.... this all sounds kind of stupid.

    The Irish are long, long past their sale date of usefulness to the New York Times, which is largely a good thing. This article only exists so that the globalists at the New York Times can use Irish grievance as a cudgel against Brexit. It is underhanded and pathetic. I fully support British independence from the EU and long for the day that Ireland and the rest of Europe do the same.

    That being said, the men in the video are basically tourists acting like assholes and they should not be defended. You have to understand that Temple Bar in Dublin is basically the Bourbon Street of Western Europe and obnoxious tourist behavior abounds. Last time I was in Temple Bar, there were more Americans and Spaniards (thanks to Ryan Air) than British tourists, but the British louts are disproportionally awful in their behavior.

    So, the whining in this article is underhanded and deceptive, but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    Yup. A bit like showing up on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras and being shocked by drunken debauchery.

    Irish people in England are odd cases. My wife’s cousin was a Belfast Catholic who lives and works in London and is married to an English woman. His children are English (though they have emigrated to Australia). But the show of animosity remains despite literally sleeping with the enemy. My guess is like my wife’s cousin and the author like to pose like this, but there isn’t much else going on here but an empty show. As Christianity recedes in the west, the simple fact that there is not a lot of genetic diversity among and between the locals in the UK will occasionally spit out drivel like this to show the colors.

    • Replies: @DFH
    There are two (!) songs about this; the Old Orange Flute and the Orange and the Green
  170. @Tyrion 2
    English people notice that we're often the bad guys in your movies, especially the Gibson movies. We assume that is the result of some sort of jealousy, probably because it both partially is and because it flatters us.

    Other reasons include our superior general acting abilities, screen presence and that it does not contravene PC to have an Englishman as the bad guy.

    The phenomenon has even been made fun of in an award winning advert for Jaguar.

    https://youtu.be/e7gR7EYjcP8

    Was it one of the Iron Man movies where Ben Kingsley played a British actor who was hired by the vilian to portray a villain, and thus take the spotlight off the real villain?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Was it one of the Iron Man movies where Ben Kingsley played a British actor who was hired by the vilian to portray a villain, and thus take the spotlight off the real villain?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVOdW7kQwk
    , @anon
    Yes but his phony villain was American
  171. @JMcG
    It’s more like a blue/dark blue divide in my experience. There’s not the least sympathy for anything that would be regarded as conservative in this country. Only one county voted no in the referendum held earlier this year, the aim of which was to legalize abortion.
    That was Donegal, about as far from Dublin as one can get.

    Good old Donegal. Until well into adulthood, Donegal was pretty much the whole of Ireland for me. The rest of it was just stuff I saw as we raced from the airport or ferry terminal. I don’t think I rode a train in the South until I was in my thirties because Donegal isn’t linked to any rail lines. In Donegal, to get to the North, one goes directly east. That county is sui generis.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    It’s still almost the whole of Ireland to me. Let’s not let the cat out of the bag though.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Some thirty-five years ago I crested a long ascent and saw before me a barren mountainscape with one road (the one I was on) descending its nearer slopes and not a dwelling or a human being or even a sheep upon its serried flanks, which marched inexorably, lost in swirling mist, to the far horizon.

    That was Donegal, and I was awed.
  172. @Steve Sailer
    Ireland has traditionally been a complication to English national self-rule. Winston Churchill in the 1930s used to compliment himself in the newspapers for disposing of Ireland in the early 1920s as an impediment to Parliament, which in Churchill's view had been bogged down in petty Irish concerns for what should have been its golden age.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    Yes, Westminster should have given Ireland Home Rule back in Parnell and Gladstone’s day, for its own sake, if anything. In fact the UK likely would have been better off as a confederation, like Canada. Ireland likely would have done better as well. Inside the Canadian confederation, Quebec just voted in a government that has more in common with Victor Orban’s than it does with Ireland’s.

    Confederations are the political embodiment of the saying “good fences make good neighbours”.

  173. I have Irish and English ancestry and I love the Leprechauns who are lovable.

    I don’t love Leprechauns who are unlovable.

    God Bless The Irish!

    God Bless The English!

  174. @Steve Sailer
    The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment

    I haven't been to Dublin since 1965 but I flew in and out of Shannon in the West in 1987 and 1994. I didn't know that, but it makes sense there is a Blue State / Red State division between East and West in Ireland.

    The best way to understand the island of Ireland is that it consists of three historic nations:

    1. Western England – Basically, Dublin and the surrounding counties (not the North) were the traditional bastions of Irish Unionism. These parts of the country were the most culturally Anglicised and Dublin is, in many ways, much more like a Northern English city than a typically Irish town (think Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield). This part of the country resisted independence until 1916 and was only a reluctant convert to it. To this day, Dublin people are known as “Jackeens” as they were the last people in the Republic to dispense with the Union Jack.

    2. Western Scotland – Basically the six counties of Northern Ireland. This part of the country has been indelibly marked by immigration from Scotland (including a fairly nasty form of migration that involved Oliver Cromwell expropriating locals and giving their land to Scottish planters). These people have no great love for the English at all (albeit some residual affection for Scotland). In this part of the country, religion is everything (Catholic v. Protestant). Whereas, in Scotland, Protestants were too lopsided a majority to fear Catholics, in Northern Ireland, there was a realistic fear that Catholics would “out-breed” Protestants. Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly (and back in the 18th century, their merchant class was a nucleus of discontent in relation to discriminatory English trade policies) but they cannot abide living in a country without a Protestant majority so they have made do.

    3. Ireland Proper: This is basically the West, South, Midlands and border areas of the country. For decades, the entire Irish political system was separated by reference to agrarian splits in this primarily rural part of the country. As late on as the early 80s, two bland amorphous centre parties had a combined 84% of the vote in Ireland (which, in a proportional representation system, is extraordinary). One of those parties supported the interests of ranchers while the other represented those of small farmers. Even in urban Ireland, these two parties dominated politics – not least because rural transplants in Ireland had a habit of bringing their politics with them when the migrated to cities rather than adopting the urban politics they arrived on.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Thx, this is very helpful.
    , @Matra
    Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly

    I agree with the rest of your post but not this bit. There is animosity towards English liberals (and football commentators) but not the English as a whole.

    There are very few Ulster Protestant liberals, and for most of the Troubles the ones that did exist were as discrete as an iSteve reader at a Berkeley poli sci tutorial. I can't think of any Prod liberals I met until I was in my late 20s and even then she had an unusual background. So it's always been baffling to Ulster's almost unanimously old-fashioned, provincial and, to some extent, patriotard people as to why so many English side with every other people but their own. The person who goes against their own kind invokes visceral disgust from virtually all Ulster Prods so English liberals are despised. (Ditto to those Irish who celebrated wildly when they won the referendum on liberalising abortion laws. The old Republicans may be hated but there was some grudging respect for them, particularly from their loyalist (UVF, UDA) counterparts, not so much these new Irish).
  175. I once made the mistake of wearing a Wisconsin rugby shirt in England.

    Not knowing the game of rugby, I had never heard of the Six Nations rugby tournament. Nor was I aware that Wales has soundly defeated England the night before. Nor did I know that the Wisconsin rugby shirt is similar to the Welsh rugby shirt. (Dufferent enough to keep from getting beaten up l, especially with my American accent).

    I learned a lot that day about how the English, Welsh and Scottish feel about each other. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were even stronger feelings between English and Irish.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    There is a peculiar affinity between English and Irish rugby. In 1973 at the height of the troubles the English decided to go to Dublin to play when the other teams cancelled. I think the English captain at the time said 'we're shit but at least we turn up'. The Irish haven't forgotten that. They hate the Welsh in rugby.
    , @Anon
    What’s the best thing about Scotland?

    The road to England
  176. @Anon
    I remember reading somewhere about the IQ differences among Northern European groups, and if you got reasonably pure, local test results (for instance, the four-grandparents-within-100-km requirement), the differences were pretty large. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can't remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish (which I guess would include Richard Lynn? No, he's an Englishman).

    I think that the "purity" of all three of these groups is much less today, and anyone who ends up in London is probably more likely to be an elite with higher intelligence.

    It might make the black-Hispanic-white IQ gaps go down easier and be more plausible to people if, in addition to the Jewish gap, the intra-Caucasian gaps were more publicized.

    So, the “Scottish Enlightenment” is just a rumor?

  177. @Pericles

    reminds me of the lunatic woman (an illegal immigrant) who was complaining and protesting then reportedly “climbed” the Statue of Liberty.

     

    https://ephemeralnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/kingkongballoon19832.jpg

    Wow! LOL! Now that is brilliant! Too bad it wasn’t on the front page of the New York Post when it happened!

  178. @Steve Sailer
    Ireland has traditionally been a complication to English national self-rule. Winston Churchill in the 1930s used to compliment himself in the newspapers for disposing of Ireland in the early 1920s as an impediment to Parliament, which in Churchill's view had been bogged down in petty Irish concerns for what should have been its golden age.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    The EU is a sovereignty-sapping scam run by bankers and ruling class slobs such as Cameron and May and Macron and Merkel.

    Italian patriots will drive a stake right through the evil EU and finish the EU for good.

    Small nations that have used the EU as a lever will be out of luck when the evil EU expires.

    God Bless England!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  179. @Pheasant
    The common travel area has been in use since 1921. It does not really make sense to abandon it. As for the UK treating Ireland like Bulgaria it is actually Britain that inists on treating ireland more closely than a foreign country. After ireland left the commonwealth in 1948 Britain passed a law stating that ireland is to be treated as a part of Britain (with regards to new laws) unless otherwise specifically exempted.

    This makes sense as one of the reasons for colonising Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions. The two countriee routinely do things together-they decimilised currencies at the same time, joined the european union together etc.

    I’m aware of the history.
    What I am saying is that it is now an appropriate time to say goodbye to all that and move on .
    As recent events have shown (eg the same sex marriage and abortion votes plus the gay Indian prime minister ) contemporary Ireland is a place well worth distancing yourself from

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    Sure contemporary Ireland is the globalist's model country and for that Ireland should be ashamed but isnt the whole point about the brexit border negotiations that the Ulster protestants do not want the border to be between them and Scotland? Doing away with the common travel area really would be impractical as so many live on different sides of the Irish sea. It is supposed that there are 300000 British citizens with the right to vote in Irish elections (to say nothing of the several million Irish who can vote in British elections.
  180. @Bugg
    Yup. A bit like showing up on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras and being shocked by drunken debauchery.

    Irish people in England are odd cases. My wife's cousin was a Belfast Catholic who lives and works in London and is married to an English woman. His children are English (though they have emigrated to Australia). But the show of animosity remains despite literally sleeping with the enemy. My guess is like my wife's cousin and the author like to pose like this, but there isn't much else going on here but an empty show. As Christianity recedes in the west, the simple fact that there is not a lot of genetic diversity among and between the locals in the UK will occasionally spit out drivel like this to show the colors.

    There are two (!) songs about this; the Old Orange Flute and the Orange and the Green

  181. @Alec Leamas
    When I was a schoolboy in Dublin we would get discounted tickets for the Five Nations Rugby matches at old Lansdowne Road on Saturdays in the standing room area at either end of the pitch. One Saturday the Scots were the visiting side, and their supporters accompanied them to Dublin and into Lansdowne Road. Scots supporters near universally wore kilts as a show of national pride. As I recall the Irish were up 6-3 well into the second half, but the Scots managed to tie with a late penalty kick for a 6-6 final score. At the conclusion of the match, scores of the Scots simply lifted their kilts and pissed where they stood in a sort of celebration of the late tie, steaming streams of urine running all over the place, down the steps of the stands with attendees attempting to exit. Right in plain view of (few) women and children they did it.

    In those days a video camera was a great big unwieldy contraption, and photographs were taken by purpose-specific machines that only weirdos would cart around except at special occasions. But this seems to me a thing which had it been captured on film would have been a bigger deal than this pigeon incident in today's outrage-as-hobby times.

    Mel Gibson recounts this anecdote from the filming of Braveheart:

    “The Wallace Clan … You know they wear kilts; they’re into the full tradition,” Gibson said.

    “So I asked the old question, ‘What do you wear under the kilt?’ And this one guy, Seorus, just looked at me and said, ‘Your wife’s lipstick!’

    “That’s pretty heavy, right? But that’s the wit; it’s biting!”

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/mel-gibson-reveals-secrets-from-behind-the-scenes-of-braveheart/news-story/cb19dbd81d2373b506884b3bc4099ecb

  182. @YetAnotherAnon
    Divide and rule.

    "They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they’re saying that if you don’t like their company, you have a mental disorder. "

    You must know some very unrepresentative Brits. I've been a politics junkie for decades, and I've forgotten who Larouche is or was - some kind of rightie I assume.

    "She’s right about the Brits"

    No she isn't. And if she's living in London, the few Brits she meets will be highly unrepresentative. She needs to get out more.

    “Divide and rule”

    Divide what?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Divide what?"

    Divide white Americans from white Brits and white Irish who are all facing the same demographic and cultural threats. That's what the NYT piece is doing (deliberately), and what you seemed to be doing (I hope inadvertantly).

    Gripes between Brits and Irish are small beer compared with the possibility of demographic inundation and extinction as a distinct group.
  183. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    “some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.”

    …published in the Western world’s most important newspaper, so it’s pretty hard to ignore. Sailer has reproduced lots of similar articles from the Times and other prominent sources. Noticing patterns isn’t a bad thing. Remember Rule #1: SJWs always lie. This guy couldn’t have been unaware of the ridiculousness of his comment. However, being full of himself, he published it anyway…to howls of laughter.

    Lol, worthless NPC.

    [Perception 1/10] Blah, blah, blah. Alt-right. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The New York Times is not the most influential daily newspaper in the USA, no matter what the freaks in the NYC, DC, and LA bubbles may tell themselves. Not even close.

    The Wall Street Journal's circulation DWARFS the NYT's, whether print, digital, or combined, and it cannot be said that the WSJ's readership is systematically "inferior to" / "less influential than" the NYT's in average household income or net worth, average level of formal education, etc.
  184. @Clifford Brown
    YESSS!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZt7DOPm8Hs

    * This song has a new edginess these days.

    Oh wait.... this all sounds kind of stupid.

    The Irish are long, long past their sale date of usefulness to the New York Times, which is largely a good thing. This article only exists so that the globalists at the New York Times can use Irish grievance as a cudgel against Brexit. It is underhanded and pathetic. I fully support British independence from the EU and long for the day that Ireland and the rest of Europe do the same.

    That being said, the men in the video are basically tourists acting like assholes and they should not be defended. You have to understand that Temple Bar in Dublin is basically the Bourbon Street of Western Europe and obnoxious tourist behavior abounds. Last time I was in Temple Bar, there were more Americans and Spaniards (thanks to Ryan Air) than British tourists, but the British louts are disproportionally awful in their behavior.

    So, the whining in this article is underhanded and deceptive, but British tourists should be more civil and cordial when they decide to let loose in Dublin.

    Temple Bar is an absolutely wretched place. I popped into a pub there once with some fellow American students, and didn’t last five minutes before abandoning my party. Couldn’t even buy one drink. Drunken stag parties, shrieking hen parties, and music obnoxious enough to make one’s ears bleed, all of them loud, loud, loud. I may have been a stranger in town, but it didn’t take me long to realize that the only way to avoid stupid inebriated louts was to get as far away from Temple Bar as possible. A couple miles’ walk in the opposite direction turned up a pleasant quiet pub with cordial locals, cheap drinks, and Sinatra playing softly- one I am sure was and remains free of decapitated projectile pigeons to this very day.

  185. @Steve Sailer
    Don't get Spaniards started on English tourists.

    And don’t get the English started on their “Spanish waiter” story.

  186. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Very interesting.

    "If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes."

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe's "War Veterans" in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    I’ve read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You’ve often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party’s policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O’Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a “Castle Catholic” (i.e. one of the island’s Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen’s government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as “Peter the Packer” for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O’Donoghue or, for that matter, O’Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said’s channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of “Orientalism”. The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture – they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don’t. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the “diverse” cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of “social justice”, they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Excellent comment, thanks for taking the time to post. There’s much about Ireland I’d like to see conserved, but none of it is political. That’s actually true of the US as well. I suppose that means I’m just a blood and soil reactionary, but there it is.
    , @Forbes
    Well said. Especially the analysis in the concluding paragraph.
    , @Joe Walker
    Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration.

    Really? So tell me how many Irish Catholics have been killed by European Union soldiers and how many have been killed by British soldiers? The answer to that question will tell you who the real enemy of Ireland is.
    , @Joe Walker
    I’ve read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it.

    Yes, I am sure Irish historians would enjoy a good laugh.
    , @anon

    ...Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal.
     
    You definitely know more about Ireland than me, but I will venture to suggest that perhaps Sir Peter understood an Irish tendency to excuse any amount of barbarism so long as the barbarians wrapped themselves in the right flag. And how can you get justice in an environment like that?

    Happily, this environment is much different after thirty years of those same barbarians blowing up chip shops and shooting people who owed them money, I mean informers.

    But I wonder if the tendency has really gone away. The hatred of the English certainly hasn't.

  187. @Cagey Beast
    Good old Donegal. Until well into adulthood, Donegal was pretty much the whole of Ireland for me. The rest of it was just stuff I saw as we raced from the airport or ferry terminal. I don't think I rode a train in the South until I was in my thirties because Donegal isn't linked to any rail lines. In Donegal, to get to the North, one goes directly east. That county is sui generis.

    It’s still almost the whole of Ireland to me. Let’s not let the cat out of the bag though.

  188. Ireland has a lot of Irish people. That is what Ireland has.

    Italy has a lot more people and a manufacturing base and magnificent ancient cities and, most importantly, Italy has a guy named Matteo Salvini who will extinguish the evil EU.

    The Irish have benefited tremendously from following the British Empire Huns around the world.

    And from the plains of Royal Meath

    Strong men came hurrying through

    While Britannia’s Huns with their long-range guns

    Sailed in through the foggy dew

    I give the Celtic Irish a lot of credit for fighting the Germanic English. SPIRIT for fighting and expression is what the Irish have.

    God Bless The Irish!

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    Perhaps a quarter to a third of the regular British army was recruited in Ireland through the nineteenth century.
  189. @Paleo Liberal
    I once made the mistake of wearing a Wisconsin rugby shirt in England.

    Not knowing the game of rugby, I had never heard of the Six Nations rugby tournament. Nor was I aware that Wales has soundly defeated England the night before. Nor did I know that the Wisconsin rugby shirt is similar to the Welsh rugby shirt. (Dufferent enough to keep from getting beaten up l, especially with my American accent).

    I learned a lot that day about how the English, Welsh and Scottish feel about each other. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were even stronger feelings between English and Irish.

    There is a peculiar affinity between English and Irish rugby. In 1973 at the height of the troubles the English decided to go to Dublin to play when the other teams cancelled. I think the English captain at the time said ‘we’re shit but at least we turn up’. The Irish haven’t forgotten that. They hate the Welsh in rugby.

  190. @Lurker
    I've noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they're just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don't believe it is most of the time.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish?

    The Irish and English are closer to one another than either is to Americans, that’s true, but Americans aren’t considered anywhere near as foreign as people on the continent.

    Following 9/11 when many Americans in England expressed hurt at what was being said about them and their country, Simon Jenkins – then writing for The Times, I believe – said people in England were surprised by American sensitivity to English remarks. Why? Because, he said, we don’t really think of Americans as foreigners. So just as the English slag off their own country all the time and take the piss out of each other – regional stuff – they expected Americans, much like Australians, to not be sensitive about this stuff.

    As to the Irish. They should be happy about English ignorance and lack of curiosity because it saved them from being crushed in 1969-70. In the late 60s Ulster Protestants told them not to fall for the ‘We shall Overcome’ civil rights stuff. The Irish go with strength and whatever is fashionable. If you crush the still small Republican movement they’ll not be too bothered and will even mock them, but don’t give them hope of actually winning. The English ruling class, though, with their ignorance of Ireland and perhaps their liberal merchant mindset, knew better. We’d all get along, they said, once a few concessions were given. They were wrong, but it’s too late to do much about it now.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    You really are living in your own parallel universe, aren't you?
    , @Anonymous
    The IRA has only been defeated once in its history, by the Free State in the 1920s - and this was done using extremely brutal methods that are completely unacceptable today.
  191. @Bragadocious
    She's right about the Brits. They probably see Ireland as a place for a stag-do or piss-up while yelling insulting garbage at the locals. The thing about the Brits is, they try to pathologize any dislike anyone has for them. If you're Irish, they'll call you "bitter" and "living in the past." If you're American, you're a "plastic paddy" or, more hilariously, a Larouchite. They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they're saying that if you don't like their company, you have a mental disorder. This, oddly, tends to support their detractors even more.

    If you’re American, you’re a “plastic paddy”

    That term originated with the Irish themselves. Anyone who has spent time with them knows it is the Irish who are the people most likely to use it when referring to Americans like you.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Actually it was the pro-British media in Ireland who came up with the term. Most Irish Catholics in Ireland are quite pro-American since many of them have relatives in the United States.
    , @Bragadocious
    People like me? LOL as if you know anything.

    Regardless of where it started, the Brits use it all the time. If the Irish use it, that would be amusing, since they're one of the bigger immigration problems we have today. Notice how the Irish reacted to Trump's calls to deport and toughen immigration laws -- they went ballistic.
  192. @sb
    I'm aware of the history.
    What I am saying is that it is now an appropriate time to say goodbye to all that and move on .
    As recent events have shown (eg the same sex marriage and abortion votes plus the gay Indian prime minister ) contemporary Ireland is a place well worth distancing yourself from

    Sure contemporary Ireland is the globalist’s model country and for that Ireland should be ashamed but isnt the whole point about the brexit border negotiations that the Ulster protestants do not want the border to be between them and Scotland? Doing away with the common travel area really would be impractical as so many live on different sides of the Irish sea. It is supposed that there are 300000 British citizens with the right to vote in Irish elections (to say nothing of the several million Irish who can vote in British elections.

  193. @Tyrion 2
    English people notice that we're often the bad guys in your movies, especially the Gibson movies. We assume that is the result of some sort of jealousy, probably because it both partially is and because it flatters us.

    Other reasons include our superior general acting abilities, screen presence and that it does not contravene PC to have an Englishman as the bad guy.

    The phenomenon has even been made fun of in an award winning advert for Jaguar.

    https://youtu.be/e7gR7EYjcP8

    You people certainly are a bunch of sensitive snowflakes aren’t you. The entire history of Hollywood is filled with British influence, most of it really bad. They used Hollywood to soften up the American populace for our involvement in WW2, which is unfortunate because we fought for people who to this day have not one iota of gratitude. And I would add, pretty much 99% of the British media are anti-American to the core. We don’t complain about that much, though we could. I enjoyed that Montana congressman body-slamming the British “reporter” though.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Pretty much 99% of the American media are anti-American to the core.
  194. @Irish Paleo
    Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment's ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment's Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant "we're so racist" mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials - the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams' recent self-identification as a "n***er" is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about "No dogs, no Irish" signs (i.e. "We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters") while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn't want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don't like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of "Brits out/800 years of oppression" porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English - largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: "We hate the English too!" So, for example, Ireland's gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as "West British") now fulminates with resentment towards "Perfidious Albion".

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman's motivations, I'd say part of it is that she's from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she's had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she's been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher - though I don't doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were "political prisoners" in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were “political prisoners” in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    Yes, it reminds me of the American media’s lack of interest in Obama’s (African) family background. Never mind the details, the symbolism is all that matters.

  195. @Clyde
    That nose ring? Nothing says, "I am a certified dumbass", like a nose ring. If she made a small effort she is probably good looking.

    Everybody here is piling on the nose ring, but in all honesty, nose rings are disgusting. I’ve said this before, nostrils are inherently gross, and anything that draws attention to the inside of the nose is also gross. Think of a used Kleenex or a sick toddler.

    My niece wears one of these and I just shake my head. She is totally oblivious to the signals it sends.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Nose ring sends the signal (conscious and subliminal) that you can be lead around by the nose. That you will comply with a dominant male or female. Or might even be a Latinx, who knows these days.That in fact you are begging to. Cattle that have a nose ring, can be grabbed or roped together by the nose rings, easily because it is too painful to not obey their human master.

    But life is full of contradictions, so if she removes her nose ring any piercing hole will heal up and seal over in months. Tattoos are far more difficult to dial back to never happened.`

  196. I suppose her screed would make sense if London was still dominated by the English but it’s not. Maybe she really hates its diversity but can’t say so explicitly.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    If reading articles by women is too upsetting for you then maybe you will find this one by Fintan O'Toole to be less triggering.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/19/brexiters-theresa-may-northern-ireland
  197. @Alec Leamas
    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It's probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

    In any event, one imagines that English self-flagellations taught to school children are on the sexier side of things - colonialism in Africa, slave trading to the Caribbean, the Raj, etc. Those brown people have more pokemon points than the Irish - who, let us say, have done to themselves in a decade or so what hundreds of years of English occupation couldn't do - but she nevertheless seems to want in on the game.

    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there's a fine chance that a good number of the people she's hating are themselves Irish.

    My guess is that most British have little bits of that Celtic DNA in them, like, say, 1/256th of the whole genome. That makes them bonafide Irish kinfolk that she should embrace as siblings rather than scorn as foreigners.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Apparently, it's more like 22% Celtic than 1/256th:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3711040/How-British-Genetic-study-reveals-Yorkshire-Anglo-Saxon-UK-East-Midlands-Scandinavian.html
    , @Joe Walker
    You obviously don't understand how the English got their Celtic DNA. When the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain they killed the Celtic men and took the Celtic woman as their sex slaves.
    , @Henry's Cat
    The Irish aren't Celts.
  198. @Irish Paleo
    The best way to understand the island of Ireland is that it consists of three historic nations:

    1. Western England - Basically, Dublin and the surrounding counties (not the North) were the traditional bastions of Irish Unionism. These parts of the country were the most culturally Anglicised and Dublin is, in many ways, much more like a Northern English city than a typically Irish town (think Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield). This part of the country resisted independence until 1916 and was only a reluctant convert to it. To this day, Dublin people are known as "Jackeens" as they were the last people in the Republic to dispense with the Union Jack.

    2. Western Scotland - Basically the six counties of Northern Ireland. This part of the country has been indelibly marked by immigration from Scotland (including a fairly nasty form of migration that involved Oliver Cromwell expropriating locals and giving their land to Scottish planters). These people have no great love for the English at all (albeit some residual affection for Scotland). In this part of the country, religion is everything (Catholic v. Protestant). Whereas, in Scotland, Protestants were too lopsided a majority to fear Catholics, in Northern Ireland, there was a realistic fear that Catholics would "out-breed" Protestants. Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly (and back in the 18th century, their merchant class was a nucleus of discontent in relation to discriminatory English trade policies) but they cannot abide living in a country without a Protestant majority so they have made do.

    3. Ireland Proper: This is basically the West, South, Midlands and border areas of the country. For decades, the entire Irish political system was separated by reference to agrarian splits in this primarily rural part of the country. As late on as the early 80s, two bland amorphous centre parties had a combined 84% of the vote in Ireland (which, in a proportional representation system, is extraordinary). One of those parties supported the interests of ranchers while the other represented those of small farmers. Even in urban Ireland, these two parties dominated politics - not least because rural transplants in Ireland had a habit of bringing their politics with them when the migrated to cities rather than adopting the urban politics they arrived on.

    Thx, this is very helpful.

  199. @Corvinus
    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying "Look at me" when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.

    I would say the supermajority of normies, aka the "mushy middle", have not even heard of Nolan before, and would be unmoved by her screed. There are more important things to NOTICE rather than some white feminista.

    Don't you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?

    I must be a retard, because I still don’t understand your point. Every writer does their job simply to say “look at me.” In fact, that is part of the definition of being a writer. Who wants to write for no audience?

    The key differences, as are being explained to you patiently by many of those you demean, are that this reporter is on staff at a major publication and that the article is picked up in a third country for its publication. The problem is not with the writer per se, but with the fact that said writer is used, as referenced, as a cudgel against those who the publishers decide are in need of attacking. I think the rantings of some troubled Irish girl are immaterial and pretty boring myself, but the fact that this is shown to us in newspapers that deem themselves the official record is profoundly telling. This is what Steve is NOTICING: the fact that this is published where it is, and why. The screed of some “feminista” is therefore of considerable import.

    Steve fits into this by enjoying to point out such craziness, and pass it on to others who enjoy looking at the craziness for what it is. So, then, what exactly is your point here? It is all secondary school/high school, but Steve is part of the crowd pointing out the absurdities of the popular kids, in the vain hope that they will change their own destructive behaviour.

    Maybe you could make it extra slow for the rest of us. Not all of us are intellectual giants like you, you know.

    Also, I know you typed in a hurry, but please use proper grammar. Your diatribe implies Steve and Irish girl co-penned a single rant.

    • Replies: @Rapparee

    I must be a retard, because I still don’t understand your point.
     
    Nobody ever understands Corvinus' point. I suspect not even Corvinus does.
    , @Corvinus
    "Every writer does their job simply to say “look at me.”"

    Except Mr. Sailer is leading his readers to believe that a female author is much more likely, due to her nature, to demand such attention, than a male author. Which, of course, is other than accurate.

    "The key differences, as are being explained to you patiently by many of those you demean, are that this reporter is on staff at a major publication..."

    Which is Fake News, right? So why are we even going to take her seriously to begin with?

    "The problem is not with the writer per se, but with the fact that said writer is used, as referenced, as a cudgel against those who the publishers decide are in need of attacking."

    The individual author is "attacking".

    "I think the rantings of some troubled Irish girl are immaterial and pretty boring myself, but the fact that this is shown to us in newspapers that deem themselves the official record is profoundly telling."

    Articles like those are fodder. They are meant to cater to a subset of liberals.

    "This is what Steve is NOTICING: the fact that this is published where it is, and why. The screed of some “feminista” is therefore of considerable import."

    To SOME readers. Others, it is catlining.

    "It is all secondary school/high school, but Steve is part of the crowd pointing out the absurdities of the popular kids, in the vain hope that they will change their own destructive behaviour."

    Assuming that this behavior is destructive and assuming it is absurd.
  200. @Paleo Liberal
    Was it one of the Iron Man movies where Ben Kingsley played a British actor who was hired by the vilian to portray a villain, and thus take the spotlight off the real villain?

    Was it one of the Iron Man movies where Ben Kingsley played a British actor who was hired by the vilian to portray a villain, and thus take the spotlight off the real villain?

  201. @Jay Ritchie
    "On my father’s side, I am 5 parts Irish, 3 parts English, 3 parts Scottish, 2 parts Welsh, 1 part German, 1 part Dutch, and 1 part Alsatian. Is it any wonder if I detest myself?!?"

    You are missing the magic ingredient. Just one small dose of minority DNA could get you an affirmative action job. Try a more aggressive testing service. Or just make it up.

    Those proportions are based on my documented ancestors. Here are my 23andMe.com results:

    ***

    European
    99.7%

    Eastern European
    27.7%
    Slovakia

    British & Irish
    15.6%
    Ireland

    Balkan
    9.5%
    Romania

    French & German
    5.7%

    Scandinavian
    2.1%

    Italian
    0.8%

    Finnish
    0.2%

    Broadly Northwestern European
    24.8%

    Broadly Southern European
    2.8%

    Broadly European
    10.5%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%

    Siberian
    0.1%

    Broadly East Asian
    0.1%

    ***

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    European
    99.7%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%
     
    Hey, you're as Indian as Elizabeth Warren!
  202. @stillCARealist
    Everybody here is piling on the nose ring, but in all honesty, nose rings are disgusting. I've said this before, nostrils are inherently gross, and anything that draws attention to the inside of the nose is also gross. Think of a used Kleenex or a sick toddler.

    My niece wears one of these and I just shake my head. She is totally oblivious to the signals it sends.

    Nose ring sends the signal (conscious and subliminal) that you can be lead around by the nose. That you will comply with a dominant male or female. Or might even be a Latinx, who knows these days.That in fact you are begging to. Cattle that have a nose ring, can be grabbed or roped together by the nose rings, easily because it is too painful to not obey their human master.

    But life is full of contradictions, so if she removes her nose ring any piercing hole will heal up and seal over in months. Tattoos are far more difficult to dial back to never happened.`

  203. @Corvinus
    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying "Look at me" when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.

    I would say the supermajority of normies, aka the "mushy middle", have not even heard of Nolan before, and would be unmoved by her screed. There are more important things to NOTICE rather than some white feminista.

    Don't you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?

    I suppose I can be a good chap and explain the parallel to you since you tend to be slow. The parallel between iSteve and the airhead is that both are saying “Look at me” when they pen their rant, albeit he is being a tad more discreet. They mirror one another when it comes to feigning outrage.

    Dear boy, you do realize that this lady gets her stuff in the NYTIMES, right?Wake me when Steve is afforded the same imprimatur….

    Don’t you have a remedial reading class for the darkies and brownies to attend to?

    Nah, they get the same stuff that the Whites and East Asians get: Pope, Gibbon, Burke,Benjamin Franklin, Henry Fielding, etc. Of course, they don’t like it. Too European.

  204. @anonymous

    ...about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.
     
    It's in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?

    …about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?

    Perhaps he’s a parody account? Like Tiny Duck, only more subtle….

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat

    Perhaps he’s a parody account? Like Tiny Duck, only more subtle….
     
    I bet it's just Tiny Duck with the spell-checker turned on to fool us. After all, corvinus means 'tiny crow' in Latin. Coincidence?
  205. @Achilles
    Contact Scotland Yard. The decapitated pigeon head could be a breakthrough in the unsolved Case of the Bitten-Off Pigeon Head:

    A disgusting video showing a builder biting a pigeon's head off while it's still alive has been released by the RSPCA.

    The clip, which appears to have been filmed on a building site, shows the man hitting the bird from its nest with a stick while saying 'come to daddy'.

    He then grabs the distressed bird and rips its head off with his teeth before spitting it out....

    His friends can be heard laughing in the disturbing footage believed to have been filmed in the North of England or Wales. ....

    'If what this video seems to show is accurate, the pain and suffering caused to the pigeon is likely to have been unimaginable.

    'Biting the head off a pigeon is likely to constitute an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

    'We're very eager for information identifying the individual involved, or providing related background, to be brought to our attention as a matter of urgency.

    'It has been suggested to us that the incident may have links to either the North of England or Wales.

    'However, we are eager for any information which could assist with our inquiries on this serious matter.'

    Anyone with information is asked to call the RSPCA's inspectorate appeal line on 0300 123 8018.
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5790897/RSPCA-releases-stomach-churning-video-builder-biting-head-live-pigeon.html

    I think biting the heads off of living creatures is an old English pass-time. Didn’t Ozzy Osborne bite the head off a bat once?

    • Agree: Joe Walker
  206. @anonymous

    The Alt Right elite is thriving, thank you very much. Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, Mike Cernovich. The list goes on.
     
    Corvy, why are you pretending to be so stupid? But just in case it's not pretense, let me make it obvious for you:

    Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.

    Don't you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed? I don't believe you're this thickheaded. You are fooling no one with your middle-of-the-road shtick.

    ‘Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.”

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right. They need not be seeking to court the liberal or conservative elite publications. They are recognized by their followers as being the elites of the cause. Clearly these four individuals are a select part of large group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability to articulate Alt Right positions.

    “Don’t you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed?”

    These “attacks” are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes. You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor. Again, most normies, aka the “Mushy Middle”, have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    ‘Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.”

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right.
     
    Which means that they are not allowed to write for the MSM....

    These “attacks” are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes.
     
    The get the MSM imprimatur.....

    . You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor.
     
    Yeah, just look at the SJW rainbow: The NYTIMES, THE GUARDIAN, THE NEW REPUBLIC, THE ATLANTIC....What Diversity!

    Again, most normies, aka the “Mushy Middle”, have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.
     
    They do as they are told. Mush is so easy to mold...
    , @Paul Yarbles
    You admit that racist, sexist and hateful viewpoints get disseminated in mainstream media outlets as long as they are aimed at straight White men, while any viewpoints that don’t sing the praises of diversity, sanctify certain “victimized” groups, and refuse to demonize Western culture and straight White males do not. We agree.
  207. If she writes for the NYT, she is left-leaning, and those sorts don’t really help the Irish, IMO. I think the issue with the English is misunderstood. She probably does meet English people who look down on her, but those people are themselves a defeated people; they have had their country taken from under them by their supposed leaders who support brining in tons of Muslim immigrants. Everyone has anger, but it is often misdirected.

  208. @Corvinus
    'Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets."

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right. They need not be seeking to court the liberal or conservative elite publications. They are recognized by their followers as being the elites of the cause. Clearly these four individuals are a select part of large group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability to articulate Alt Right positions.

    "Don’t you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed?"

    These "attacks" are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes. You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor. Again, most normies, aka the "Mushy Middle", have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.

    ‘Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets.”

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right.

    Which means that they are not allowed to write for the MSM….

    These “attacks” are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes.

    The get the MSM imprimatur…..

    . You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor.

    Yeah, just look at the SJW rainbow: The NYTIMES, THE GUARDIAN, THE NEW REPUBLIC, THE ATLANTIC….What Diversity!

    Again, most normies, aka the “Mushy Middle”, have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.

    They do as they are told. Mush is so easy to mold…

  209. @Pheasant
    The common travel area has been in use since 1921. It does not really make sense to abandon it. As for the UK treating Ireland like Bulgaria it is actually Britain that inists on treating ireland more closely than a foreign country. After ireland left the commonwealth in 1948 Britain passed a law stating that ireland is to be treated as a part of Britain (with regards to new laws) unless otherwise specifically exempted.

    This makes sense as one of the reasons for colonising Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions. The two countriee routinely do things together-they decimilised currencies at the same time, joined the european union together etc.

    Ireland in the first place was to prevent its use as a backdoor into Britain for invasions

    You could say Britain was a backdoor for invasions into Ireland. Normans from France, Oranges from the Netherlands.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  210. @Irish Paleo
    The best way to understand the island of Ireland is that it consists of three historic nations:

    1. Western England - Basically, Dublin and the surrounding counties (not the North) were the traditional bastions of Irish Unionism. These parts of the country were the most culturally Anglicised and Dublin is, in many ways, much more like a Northern English city than a typically Irish town (think Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield). This part of the country resisted independence until 1916 and was only a reluctant convert to it. To this day, Dublin people are known as "Jackeens" as they were the last people in the Republic to dispense with the Union Jack.

    2. Western Scotland - Basically the six counties of Northern Ireland. This part of the country has been indelibly marked by immigration from Scotland (including a fairly nasty form of migration that involved Oliver Cromwell expropriating locals and giving their land to Scottish planters). These people have no great love for the English at all (albeit some residual affection for Scotland). In this part of the country, religion is everything (Catholic v. Protestant). Whereas, in Scotland, Protestants were too lopsided a majority to fear Catholics, in Northern Ireland, there was a realistic fear that Catholics would "out-breed" Protestants. Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly (and back in the 18th century, their merchant class was a nucleus of discontent in relation to discriminatory English trade policies) but they cannot abide living in a country without a Protestant majority so they have made do.

    3. Ireland Proper: This is basically the West, South, Midlands and border areas of the country. For decades, the entire Irish political system was separated by reference to agrarian splits in this primarily rural part of the country. As late on as the early 80s, two bland amorphous centre parties had a combined 84% of the vote in Ireland (which, in a proportional representation system, is extraordinary). One of those parties supported the interests of ranchers while the other represented those of small farmers. Even in urban Ireland, these two parties dominated politics - not least because rural transplants in Ireland had a habit of bringing their politics with them when the migrated to cities rather than adopting the urban politics they arrived on.

    Long story short, the Protestants in Northern Ireland seem to dislike the English quite strongly

    I agree with the rest of your post but not this bit. There is animosity towards English liberals (and football commentators) but not the English as a whole.

    There are very few Ulster Protestant liberals, and for most of the Troubles the ones that did exist were as discrete as an iSteve reader at a Berkeley poli sci tutorial. I can’t think of any Prod liberals I met until I was in my late 20s and even then she had an unusual background. So it’s always been baffling to Ulster’s almost unanimously old-fashioned, provincial and, to some extent, patriotard people as to why so many English side with every other people but their own. The person who goes against their own kind invokes visceral disgust from virtually all Ulster Prods so English liberals are despised. (Ditto to those Irish who celebrated wildly when they won the referendum on liberalising abortion laws. The old Republicans may be hated but there was some grudging respect for them, particularly from their loyalist (UVF, UDA) counterparts, not so much these new Irish).

  211. @D. K.
    Those proportions are based on my documented ancestors. Here are my 23andMe.com results:

    ***

    European
    99.7%

    Eastern European
    27.7%
    Slovakia

    British & Irish
    15.6%
    Ireland

    Balkan
    9.5%
    Romania

    French & German
    5.7%

    Scandinavian
    2.1%

    Italian
    0.8%

    Finnish
    0.2%

    Broadly Northwestern European
    24.8%

    Broadly Southern European
    2.8%

    Broadly European
    10.5%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%

    Siberian
    0.1%

    Broadly East Asian
    0.1%

    ***

    European
    99.7%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%

    Hey, you’re as Indian as Elizabeth Warren!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    We all are, bro, we all are.
  212. @Jim Don Bob
    I wonder why people don't hang on her every word?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1035245906428403712/odlaSBo0_400x400.jpg

    Ten comments already, but I can’t let slide an opportunity to sneer at the cow ring in her nose.

  213. @anonymous

    ...about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.
     
    It's in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?

    “It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?”

    It’s Fake News, right? So why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?
     
    So he could more effectively spread Real News, of course.
    , @syonredux

    “It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?”

    It’s Fake News, right? So why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?
     
    To be part of the conversation. Being an un-person can be rather unpleasant.....
  214. @YetAnotherAnon
    If is her, her need for the English to take notice of her (and a few other things) may have an explanation.

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.

    When I was a child I learned how to lie. My parents were separated, and for one half of the month I lived with my father, for the other my mother. My father’s house was sedate and cultural. My mother’s was often full of red-eyed people still up from the night before, unclean men trying to pull me onto their knees, perpetually smoking women encouraging my needy joke-telling. In my father’s house I learned to be restrained and quiet and moderate in all things, would sit for hours reading nourishing fiction and basking in the warm glow of being no trouble. My consumption of things was monitored and commented on and I came to understood that the less one consumed the better they were.

    ....

    I exaggerated the clipped, wealthy voice I had inherited from my English father.
     

    Everytime the same: it’s either because of a boyfriend or because of their father.

    I liked this excerpt you posted:

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.

    …this makes no sense whatsoever. Her need for getting attention does concern me, because it has many externalities. And is she sure she’s pleaseed when other people behave badly? Would she support, say, lynchers?

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck

    this makes no sense whatsoever.
     
    Agreed. If you shouldn't be angry about things that don’t concern you, why should you be pleased about them either? And if she is pleased when other people behave badly, why isn't she in ecstasy over the antics of the Decapitated Pigeon Head Throwers?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    This is going to upset Rosie, but she was pleased (then) at other people's bad behaviour because it made her feel virtuous, contrasted with her bad feelings when she does something wrong.

    And English behaving badly in Dublin is now, and it makes her feel bad, partly that living in London has made her recognise that she's thought of by what Englishmen remain there as "different" because she's Irish*, and maybe (looking at her "dating" anecdotes) that some Englishmen have behaved badly in her. Perhaps poor Dublin, used and abused by drunken, uncaring Englishmen, is a metaphor for her love life.

    It's all about the feels for some women.


    *And she's not even 100% Irish, raised in Dublin but with English dad. What's the word for a tragic half'n'half?

  215. @Irish Paleo
    Some excellent social observations here as always. However, this deranged rant has some specifically Irish context, some of which is of quite recent provenance.

    1. Blackism has always been part of the Irish establishment's ontonogical framework. The key division has been between the establishment's Eastern Seaboard intelligentsia division, which identifies closely with leftist/liberal English people (Guardian/BBC types) and consciously apes their ethnic self-loathing so their blackism consists of constant "we're so racist" mea culpas. The Western, rural and working class division of the Irish political establishment (which is stronger electorally but weaker at the level of the Deep State) is descended from the group of people surrounding Eamon de Valera (in many ways, an Irish bumpkin version of Ataturk) who decided to identify as pseudo-black post-colonials - the erstwhile Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams' recent self-identification as a "n***er" is one of the cruder examples of the oeuvre. Naturally, the two tribes hate each other.

    2. One classic example of how these two tribes clash is over the status of the Irish in America in the 19th century. The Western tribe likes to whine about "No dogs, no Irish" signs (i.e. "We feel the pain of our black brothers and sisters") while the Eastern tribe constantly looks for evidence of Irish American complicity with racism and Jim Crow. Both sides actually do stumble upon some valid points. For example, Irish labourers in the North had worse life expectancies than black slaves in the South. Meanwhile, while plenty of Irish did fight in the Union Army, to the best of my knowledge, most Irish in New York, Boston etc. were Copperheads who sympathised with the Confederacy or at least didn't want to fight the war.

    3. The biggest division between the two Tribes has traditionally been the question of how they view the English. The Easterners like and look up to lefty Brits and their sniping has always been directed at targets that lefty Brits don't like (principally the Tories and the right wing Tabloids). They have always been embarrassed by anti-British sentiment. The Westerners, by contrast, have never felt such shame and have indulged in frequent bouts of "Brits out/800 years of oppression" porn. Throughout Irish history, the Easterners have typically won the cultural battles over our attitude to the English - largely because the Westerners tend to be more economically conservative and pro-business than the Easterners and their anti-Britishness is tempered by their concerns about culture wars being bad for business.

    4. However, Brexit has been a game changer. The entire Irish establishment is ferally pro-EU and the notion that anyone might want to leave the Holy Alliance is utterly anathema. Suddenly, the Eastern Tribe has announced in its own petulant way that: "We hate the English too!" So, for example, Ireland's gay half-Indian Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar*, who is firmly an Easterner in his outlook, has suddenly begun indulging in anti-British rhetoric that would have made Gerry Adams blush a decade ago and the Irish Times (a paper generally regarded as "West British") now fulminates with resentment towards "Perfidious Albion".

    5. If I had to guess this Nolan woman's motivations, I'd say part of it is that she's from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she's had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes. Then mirabile dictu, Brexit, Sweet Brexit came along and it suddenly became okay to hate the English and all the bile she's been storing up throughout all these years comes out in one giant, satisfying gusher - though I don't doubt that Steve is right in his identification of narcissistic feminist rage as another motivator.

    *Speaking of Dr. Varadkar, when he was elected last year, his parents were interviewed and his Bombay born father Ashok mentioned the fact that two of his brothers were "political prisoners" in India. I have it on good authority that the Varadkars in Bombay are affiliated to the Hindu Proto-Nazi Shiv Sena party which raises serious questions as to what these chaps did to wind up in prison. Of course, nobody in the Irish media is competent or narrative-resistant enough to actually enquire as to whether our current Prime Minister is from an Indian Nazi background.

    Fascinating! Thanks for the extended comment.

  216. @Intelligent Dasein
    This one was already done by Trainspotting. And I'm sure Whiskey or somebody would love to explain how women HATE HATE HATE being colonized by wankers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1CB-D1TtXc

    I chanced a gander at this, and immediately wished I hadn’t bothered.

    You know a film is bad when it puts long and grammatically accurate sentences into the mouths of working class louts (and Scottish ones at that) who are in fact incapable of stringing even three words together coherently.

    The Irish, at least, do have the gift of the gab.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    You should watch Trainspotting if you like black humor.
  217. @YetAnotherAnon
    If is her, her need for the English to take notice of her (and a few other things) may have an explanation.

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.

    When I was a child I learned how to lie. My parents were separated, and for one half of the month I lived with my father, for the other my mother. My father’s house was sedate and cultural. My mother’s was often full of red-eyed people still up from the night before, unclean men trying to pull me onto their knees, perpetually smoking women encouraging my needy joke-telling. In my father’s house I learned to be restrained and quiet and moderate in all things, would sit for hours reading nourishing fiction and basking in the warm glow of being no trouble. My consumption of things was monitored and commented on and I came to understood that the less one consumed the better they were.

    ....

    I exaggerated the clipped, wealthy voice I had inherited from my English father.
     

    it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me

    The most female sentence in the English language.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  218. @Orangeman
    Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn't make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    Someone calling himself “Orangeman” dares complain about questionable patriotic totems among the Irish?

    (Unless that’s a Trump reference)

  219. @Cagey Beast
    I'm not touching this one with a barge pole. I can hear the Internet WASPs buzzing already. (((Goldylocks))) has eaten your porridge and is sleeping in your bed but at least you can still be rude about the Irish online.

    Get back on the boat, Paddy.

  220. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Everytime the same: it's either because of a boyfriend or because of their father.

    I liked this excerpt you posted:

    Don’t be angry if I tell you that it is the aim of my life to get people to look at me. Why should you be angry about things that don’t concern you? I’m angry when I do something wrong, but when somebody else behaves badly I’m pleased.
     
    ...this makes no sense whatsoever. Her need for getting attention does concern me, because it has many externalities. And is she sure she's pleaseed when other people behave badly? Would she support, say, lynchers?

    this makes no sense whatsoever.

    Agreed. If you shouldn’t be angry about things that don’t concern you, why should you be pleased about them either? And if she is pleased when other people behave badly, why isn’t she in ecstasy over the antics of the Decapitated Pigeon Head Throwers?

  221. @JimS
    I must be a retard, because I still don't understand your point. Every writer does their job simply to say "look at me." In fact, that is part of the definition of being a writer. Who wants to write for no audience?

    The key differences, as are being explained to you patiently by many of those you demean, are that this reporter is on staff at a major publication and that the article is picked up in a third country for its publication. The problem is not with the writer per se, but with the fact that said writer is used, as referenced, as a cudgel against those who the publishers decide are in need of attacking. I think the rantings of some troubled Irish girl are immaterial and pretty boring myself, but the fact that this is shown to us in newspapers that deem themselves the official record is profoundly telling. This is what Steve is NOTICING: the fact that this is published where it is, and why. The screed of some "feminista" is therefore of considerable import.

    Steve fits into this by enjoying to point out such craziness, and pass it on to others who enjoy looking at the craziness for what it is. So, then, what exactly is your point here? It is all secondary school/high school, but Steve is part of the crowd pointing out the absurdities of the popular kids, in the vain hope that they will change their own destructive behaviour.

    Maybe you could make it extra slow for the rest of us. Not all of us are intellectual giants like you, you know.

    Also, I know you typed in a hurry, but please use proper grammar. Your diatribe implies Steve and Irish girl co-penned a single rant.

    I must be a retard, because I still don’t understand your point.

    Nobody ever understands Corvinus’ point. I suspect not even Corvinus does.

  222. @Irish Paleo
    I've read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You've often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party's policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O'Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a "Castle Catholic" (i.e. one of the island's Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen's government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as "Peter the Packer" for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O'Donoghue or, for that matter, O'Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said's channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of "Orientalism". The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture - they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don't. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the "diverse" cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of "social justice", they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.

    Excellent comment, thanks for taking the time to post. There’s much about Ireland I’d like to see conserved, but none of it is political. That’s actually true of the US as well. I suppose that means I’m just a blood and soil reactionary, but there it is.

  223. @Lurker
    I've noticed among Irish people of my acquaintance an occasional annoyance at the tendency of the English (and British in general) not to regard the Irish as proper foreigners.

    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish? Well they're just not really foreign at all. My friends (like this Nolan girl) sometimes take this as some sort of studied indifference, a microaggression in fact, but I really don't believe it is most of the time.

    I think that the French are temprementally more similar to us in many ways than the Irish, and (at least on an individual basis) lack the resentment

  224. @stillCARealist
    My guess is that most British have little bits of that Celtic DNA in them, like, say, 1/256th of the whole genome. That makes them bonafide Irish kinfolk that she should embrace as siblings rather than scorn as foreigners.
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Yep. Those Englishmen are typically SUBSTANTIALLY German and Celtic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
  225. @Cagey Beast
    Good old Donegal. Until well into adulthood, Donegal was pretty much the whole of Ireland for me. The rest of it was just stuff I saw as we raced from the airport or ferry terminal. I don't think I rode a train in the South until I was in my thirties because Donegal isn't linked to any rail lines. In Donegal, to get to the North, one goes directly east. That county is sui generis.

    Some thirty-five years ago I crested a long ascent and saw before me a barren mountainscape with one road (the one I was on) descending its nearer slopes and not a dwelling or a human being or even a sheep upon its serried flanks, which marched inexorably, lost in swirling mist, to the far horizon.

    That was Donegal, and I was awed.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, the coastline is quite intricate and the mountains don't get in each other's way, so the views can be spectacular. Those mountains were also a cultural frontier between Plantation Ulster and the Gaeltacht.

    Some thirty-five years ago ...

    I have a picture of myself on the top of Lough Salt from around that time. I guess we both have alibis if Christine Blasey-Ford ever accuses us of anything.

    As a Canadian kid, parts of Donegal felt very treeless to me. I'm an arboreal creature so I ended up in Nova Scotia, which is like Donegal but with forests.
  226. @syonredux

    …about some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?
     
    Perhaps he's a parody account? Like Tiny Duck, only more subtle....

    Perhaps he’s a parody account? Like Tiny Duck, only more subtle….

    I bet it’s just Tiny Duck with the spell-checker turned on to fool us. After all, corvinus means ‘tiny crow’ in Latin. Coincidence?

  227. @Paleo Liberal
    Some of the English I knew were absolutely certain that the only reason Americans were upset about BP’s disaster in the Gulf of Mexico was anti-British feelings by the Americans.

    Strangely enough, one of these fellows had even lived in the US.

    If anything, those Americans not of Irish ancestry are extremely pro-Brit, complete with an unhealthy obsession by American females over the British royals.

    I would not be at all shocked to be a subject of King William or George some time before I join the Church Triumphant.

  228. @Corvinus
    'Derb, iSteve, Vox Day, and Mike Cernovich are not in published in elite outlets."

    Try to follow along. These fine men are elites for the Alt Right. They need not be seeking to court the liberal or conservative elite publications. They are recognized by their followers as being the elites of the cause. Clearly these four individuals are a select part of large group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability to articulate Alt Right positions.

    "Don’t you see that attacks on some groups (e.g. white people, men, and pink-faced English men) are allowed in elite outlets while even mentioning other groups in a non-positive way is not allowed?"

    These "attacks" are by the Coalition of the Left Fringe. Of course they appear in mainstream publications because they cater to different liberal stripes. You are under the assumption that liberal is one flavor. Again, most normies, aka the "Mushy Middle", have not heard of authors like Coates and Nolan, nor would they align themselves consistently to the ideas they espouse.

    You admit that racist, sexist and hateful viewpoints get disseminated in mainstream media outlets as long as they are aimed at straight White men, while any viewpoints that don’t sing the praises of diversity, sanctify certain “victimized” groups, and refuse to demonize Western culture and straight White males do not. We agree.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You admit that racist, sexist and hateful viewpoints get disseminated in mainstream media outlets as long as they are aimed at straight White men..."

    First, racist, sexist, and hateful are now buzz words employed by the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right. They observably have lost their meaning. Second, the reality is that radical positions rooted in "victimization" are disseminated in the MSM, conservative AND liberal. Third, Americans generally refer to their culture as "American", not "Western". Fourth, the reality is that America is diverse--always has been, always will be.
  229. Well if this progressive women from Eire doesn’t like the English, what must she think of her conservative neighbours to the north? The Northern Irish are the most reactionary whites in the British Isles, yet English-speaking progs rarely attack them.

    I guess they mess up simple prog narratives like Irish victims, English evil overlords:

    • Replies: @DFH

    yet English-speaking progs rarely attack them.
     
    They went crazy about it when the DUP made a deal with the Conservatives, but usually they forget they exist like everyone else in the UK
  230. @unpc downunder
    Well if this progressive women from Eire doesn't like the English, what must she think of her conservative neighbours to the north? The Northern Irish are the most reactionary whites in the British Isles, yet English-speaking progs rarely attack them.

    I guess they mess up simple prog narratives like Irish victims, English evil overlords:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eRxPDLYM9Q

    yet English-speaking progs rarely attack them.

    They went crazy about it when the DUP made a deal with the Conservatives, but usually they forget they exist like everyone else in the UK

  231. @whorefinder
    Having spent time in my youth and adulthood in both places, I can tell you Irish girls are just as corrupted, and usually more so. Perhaps you found some good ones, but Irish girls carry a rep for being easy that is largely borne out by observation and personal experience.

    Irish girls of my experience tend to be much more outgoing than reserved English gals–if you know what I mean…

  232. @Old Palo Altan
    I chanced a gander at this, and immediately wished I hadn't bothered.

    You know a film is bad when it puts long and grammatically accurate sentences into the mouths of working class louts (and Scottish ones at that) who are in fact incapable of stringing even three words together coherently.

    The Irish, at least, do have the gift of the gab.

    You should watch Trainspotting if you like black humor.

  233. @Old Palo Altan
    Some thirty-five years ago I crested a long ascent and saw before me a barren mountainscape with one road (the one I was on) descending its nearer slopes and not a dwelling or a human being or even a sheep upon its serried flanks, which marched inexorably, lost in swirling mist, to the far horizon.

    That was Donegal, and I was awed.

    Yes, the coastline is quite intricate and the mountains don’t get in each other’s way, so the views can be spectacular. Those mountains were also a cultural frontier between Plantation Ulster and the Gaeltacht.

    Some thirty-five years ago …

    I have a picture of myself on the top of Lough Salt from around that time. I guess we both have alibis if Christine Blasey-Ford ever accuses us of anything.

    As a Canadian kid, parts of Donegal felt very treeless to me. I’m an arboreal creature so I ended up in Nova Scotia, which is like Donegal but with forests.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I'm planning my triennial pilgrimage to Palo Alto for mid-December.

    I would not wish it ruined by the sight of her.
  234. @YetAnotherAnon
    Divide and rule.

    "They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years. So basically, they’re saying that if you don’t like their company, you have a mental disorder. "

    You must know some very unrepresentative Brits. I've been a politics junkie for decades, and I've forgotten who Larouche is or was - some kind of rightie I assume.

    "She’s right about the Brits"

    No she isn't. And if she's living in London, the few Brits she meets will be highly unrepresentative. She needs to get out more.

    They actually do bring up Lyndon Larouche, who I think was last discussed in the U.S. during the Reagan years.

    A year and a half ago, I was walking past LaGuardia Community College (Long Island City, Queens), and there was a sidewalk table set-up with Lyndon Larouche propaganda manned with non-student adults. I don’t remember the political issue du jour–it’s usually a global financial conspiracy of some sort…the end of days, etc, etc.

    His politics are so far right they merge with the far left–or vice versa.

  235. @El Dato

    before the head of a decapitated pigeon is thrown
     
    Maybe it was a Scottish Pigeon? "There can be only one" etc.

    Completely OT (or is it?)

    UK researchers link consumption of junk memes to teen obesity & other ‘unhealthy’ habits


    Hopping on the “blame the memes” bandwagon, UK researchers have sent a letter to Parliament warning that kids are learning poor health habits from the memes they share on social media.

    Demonizing memes seems popular these days, with the text-enhanced images blamed for everything from Donald Trump’s presidency to Brexit to the resurgence of so-called white nationalism. Twitter recently deleted hundreds of accounts for sharing the gray-faced “NPC” meme, claiming it was “dehumanizing” and attempting to link it to a campaign to misinform voters ahead of the 2018 US elections.

    The Loughborough researchers admit that their letter is merely “preliminary research” about a subject that is, “at best, poorly understood,” and they openly state that their intent is to secure funding for a larger project. Chances are we’ll be hearing a lot more about the danger of memes in the future.
     

    they openly state that their intent is to secure funding for a larger project

    The academic welfare state…

  236. @Pat Hannagan
    In the future White men will breed with White women.

    Each conception will be without recourse to ingratiating ourselves to the reigning paradigm in gross gay English stereotypes.

    In the future our commentary will not be surveilled or subjected to over weening.

    Remember: Bushes (both) Both Clintons, Obama and Steve Sailer are 100% not Irish. Brown vs Board of Education. The entire Senate that voted in favour of Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

    I'm getting pretty fucking sick and tired of getting blamed for the errors of the Sailer's of this world.

    My. People:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTxg-15TfHg

    Don’t hold back–tell us how you REALLY feel…

  237. Of course, the real reason that Steve hates this woman is because she got published in the New York Times and he didn’t.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    Which raises an interesting question...How does an absolute nobody get published in the NYT? My guess is that it's related to ethnicity or sleeping with the enemy....
  238. @stillCARealist
    My guess is that most British have little bits of that Celtic DNA in them, like, say, 1/256th of the whole genome. That makes them bonafide Irish kinfolk that she should embrace as siblings rather than scorn as foreigners.

    You obviously don’t understand how the English got their Celtic DNA. When the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain they killed the Celtic men and took the Celtic woman as their sex slaves.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "When the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain they killed the Celtic men and took the Celtic woman as their sex slaves."

    That's usually the way of invaders. See today's Daily Mail.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6294939/Huddersfield-Asian-sex-gang-jailed-200-years.html

    The very word Welsh comes from the Anglo-Saxon for "foreigner".
    , @Flip
    Sounds like Latin America.
  239. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Pay attention to me!

    Ok, make me a sandwich.

    ... Oppressor!

    Bring my slippers and a glass of single malt, bog trotter!

  240. @Irish Paleo
    I've read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You've often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party's policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O'Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a "Castle Catholic" (i.e. one of the island's Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen's government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as "Peter the Packer" for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O'Donoghue or, for that matter, O'Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said's channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of "Orientalism". The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture - they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don't. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the "diverse" cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of "social justice", they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.

    Well said. Especially the analysis in the concluding paragraph.

  241. @Ed
    I suppose her screed would make sense if London was still dominated by the English but it’s not. Maybe she really hates its diversity but can’t say so explicitly.

    If reading articles by women is too upsetting for you then maybe you will find this one by Fintan O’Toole to be less triggering.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/19/brexiters-theresa-may-northern-ireland

  242. @Joe Walker
    Of course, the real reason that Steve hates this woman is because she got published in the New York Times and he didn't.

    Which raises an interesting question…How does an absolute nobody get published in the NYT? My guess is that it’s related to ethnicity or sleeping with the enemy….

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Maybe it is because she is a good writer and has something relevant to say?
  243. @Matra
    If you’re American, you’re a “plastic paddy”

    That term originated with the Irish themselves. Anyone who has spent time with them knows it is the Irish who are the people most likely to use it when referring to Americans like you.

    Actually it was the pro-British media in Ireland who came up with the term. Most Irish Catholics in Ireland are quite pro-American since many of them have relatives in the United States.

    • Replies: @Matra
    Most Irish Catholics in Ireland are quite pro-American since many of them have relatives in the United States.

    You've obviously never lived in Ireland. lol
  244. @Matra
    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish?

    The Irish and English are closer to one another than either is to Americans, that's true, but Americans aren't considered anywhere near as foreign as people on the continent.

    Following 9/11 when many Americans in England expressed hurt at what was being said about them and their country, Simon Jenkins - then writing for The Times, I believe - said people in England were surprised by American sensitivity to English remarks. Why? Because, he said, we don't really think of Americans as foreigners. So just as the English slag off their own country all the time and take the piss out of each other - regional stuff - they expected Americans, much like Australians, to not be sensitive about this stuff.

    As to the Irish. They should be happy about English ignorance and lack of curiosity because it saved them from being crushed in 1969-70. In the late 60s Ulster Protestants told them not to fall for the 'We shall Overcome' civil rights stuff. The Irish go with strength and whatever is fashionable. If you crush the still small Republican movement they'll not be too bothered and will even mock them, but don't give them hope of actually winning. The English ruling class, though, with their ignorance of Ireland and perhaps their liberal merchant mindset, knew better. We'd all get along, they said, once a few concessions were given. They were wrong, but it's too late to do much about it now.

    You really are living in your own parallel universe, aren’t you?

  245. @Cagey Beast
    One of the biggest reasons the English felt they had to dominate the island of Ireland is that it's windward of the island of Great Britain. In the age of sail, that would mean England could be totally checkmated by any king of Spain or France who managed to base his fleet there.

    That’s an interesting observation. The major European fleets moved to steam propulsion in the 1840s and 50s. Did English attitudes to Ireland change at that time?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It would be impossible to say conclusively because the threats from Catholic Spain and France had waned for other reasons. We do know though that the British insisted on keeping several naval bases in Ireland as a condition to giving up direct rule.
  246. @Irish Paleo
    I've read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You've often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party's policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O'Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a "Castle Catholic" (i.e. one of the island's Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen's government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as "Peter the Packer" for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O'Donoghue or, for that matter, O'Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said's channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of "Orientalism". The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture - they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don't. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the "diverse" cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of "social justice", they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.

    Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration.

    Really? So tell me how many Irish Catholics have been killed by European Union soldiers and how many have been killed by British soldiers? The answer to that question will tell you who the real enemy of Ireland is.

    • Replies: @Matra
    Far more Irish Catholic soldiers have voluntarily served for Britain than been killed by the British, or anyone else. Indeed, far more Irish Catholics have voluntarily served for Britain than the Republic of Ireland.

    I 'd be curious to know who killed more Catholics during the Troubles, British soldiers or Irish Republicans? I'd guess the latter.
  247. @Irish Paleo
    I've read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it. Two other iSteve points occur to me:

    1. You've often drawn a rather apt analogy between the King of Leinster, Diarmait Mac Murchada whose dispute with the High King of Ireland, Ruaidri Ua Conchobair resulted in the notorious invitation of the Norman Lord Strongbow into the country where-from the long English occupation sprang and the modern Democratic Party's policy of using mass immigration to permanently change the electoral demography in its favour. Perhaps an even better analogy from Irish history is Sir Peter O'Brien, who served as both Solicitor General and Attorney General of Ireland in the late 1880s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Brien,_1st_Baron_O%27Brien) .

    Sir Peter was what was known as a "Castle Catholic" (i.e. one of the island's Catholic majority who was loyal to the Crown and to the Queen's government which was based in Dublin Castle) but anyone who might have expected his religion to instill in him any sympathy for Irish pro-independence rebels was to be bitterly disappointed. To the contrary, Sir Peter became known as "Peter the Packer" for his practice of packing juries whenever Irish nationalists were charged with political offences.

    His method was crude but devastatingly effective: if a juror had an English, Scottish or Welsh name (like Walker, Smith or Wilson) this tended to indicate that he was Protestant and thus loyal. If, on the other hand, the juror had a Celtic name (like Murphy, O'Donoghue or, for that matter, O'Brien), this indicated Catholicism and increased the presumptive probability of nationalist sympathies and Sir Peter would scour the jury pools striking out Catholic-sounding names and leaving Protestant-sounding names in the pool, thereby reducing the probability of acquittal. This looks a whole lot like the Judis-Teixeira model for turning America into a one-party state (from which Judis appears to be backing away).

    2. Your writings on Anglo-Irish relations also bring to mind your analysis of Edward Said's channeling of his (fundamentally patriotic and conservative) Palestinian resentments at the west into collateral attacks on its culture using the politically correct vehicle of "Orientalism". The Irish and the Palestinians have, I think, a similar basic problem, namely that, for conservative-minded citizens like your author, there is nothing in the way of a sophisticated political or institutional heritage to conserve.

    When the conservative has nothing to conserve, he lacks a vocabulary in which to properly frame his interests and priorities and the path of least resistance is to co-opt the vocabulary of malcontent subversives within the culture he envies but resents and appeal to the destructive forces that lie therein. This is why one has to be very careful about the sincerity of Irish, Palestinian, black and, most particularly, Jewish attacks on Anglo culture - they often have collateral objectives relating back to their own (often legitimate) historic resentments and are motivated not by the desire to improve but to damage.

    Of course, the irony is that the world moves on and the resentments don't. Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration. Jews have nothing to fear from Christians but everything to hear from the "diverse" cohorts on whose invitation into the West the likes of Brett Stephens insist. Blacks now have more to fear from being displaced by third world immigrants than they do from Klansmen. The problem is that because their ethnic resentments have to be expressed in the nauseating vocabulary of "social justice", they lack a lexicon in which to even understand (let alone express) the real dangers that lurk in their midst.

    I’ve read and enjoyed your analysis of Anglo-Irish relations and have always believed that Irish historians (of whom the less said the better) would do well to read it.

    Yes, I am sure Irish historians would enjoy a good laugh.

  248. @Steve Sailer
    Ireland has traditionally been a complication to English national self-rule. Winston Churchill in the 1930s used to compliment himself in the newspapers for disposing of Ireland in the early 1920s as an impediment to Parliament, which in Churchill's view had been bogged down in petty Irish concerns for what should have been its golden age.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    And yet you criticize the writer for being pro-EU and anti-Brexit. Admit it Steve you are just jealous that she got published in the NYT and you didn’t!

    • Replies: @Matra
    Admit it Steve you are just jealous that she got published in the NYT and you didn’t!

    Admit it Joe, despite being a born and raised American you care more about Ireland, or rather the comfortable narratives of Irish Republicans, than you do about America? You guys rival the neocons when it comes to being a fifth column.
  249. @stillCARealist
    My guess is that most British have little bits of that Celtic DNA in them, like, say, 1/256th of the whole genome. That makes them bonafide Irish kinfolk that she should embrace as siblings rather than scorn as foreigners.

    The Irish aren’t Celts.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Then what are they?
  250. @jim jones
    If the EU breaks up the gravy train for the Paddies will be over. They will be back to growing potatoes.

    A gross exaggeration but the Irish have certainly done a lot better in the European Union than they ever did when they were under British rule.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    30 replies on one thread? Good lord man. Go home and sober up.

    Corvinus, someone has hacked into your username.
  251. You can have a legitimate career hating the English. Example; where would Mel Gibson be if he didn’t hate the English? Starting with Gallipoli, Braveheart and finishing with The Patriot. All very lucrative. But whatever you do Ms. Nolan, never get drunk and utter anything that could be construed as hate about the tribe, as your writing days will be over.

  252. @Cagey Beast
    One of the biggest reasons the English felt they had to dominate the island of Ireland is that it's windward of the island of Great Britain. In the age of sail, that would mean England could be totally checkmated by any king of Spain or France who managed to base his fleet there.

    And so that justifies the British oppressing the native Irish Catholics for hundreds of years?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes and it still justifies any Englishman to enter your home and confiscate your PlayStation, cannabis and Pop Tarts. Grow up.
  253. @Cagey Beast
    Apparently, it's more like 22% Celtic than 1/256th:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3711040/How-British-Genetic-study-reveals-Yorkshire-Anglo-Saxon-UK-East-Midlands-Scandinavian.html
    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    But it is mostly a result of Germanic men raping Celtic women.
  254. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Very interesting.

    "If I had to guess this Nolan woman’s motivations, I’d say part of it is that she’s from some kind of an Irish nationalist background and grew up with a patriotic resentment of the English but because her career directed her into fashionable internationalist circles where this kind of thinking was taboo, she’s had to spend years bottling up her anti-English attitudes."

    Sounds plausible.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English. My theory is that Ireland was this punching bag for the Irish that allowed the English to be civil with each other. Various civil wars get fought in England, but the English patched things over pretty well afterwards with each other, in part by letting the victors go beat up on the Irish and take their land. Instead of expropriating land from each other in England like with Mugabe's "War Veterans" in Zimbabwe, the winners would move on to Ireland, put down rebellions and steal their land.

    The Irish have perfectly reasonable reasons not to like the English.

    And yet you criticize this Irish woman for writing an article critical of the English?

  255. @Cagey Beast
    "Brits Out! Blacks In!"

    The American empire had far better luck taming the Irish than the English ever did.

    Maybe that is because Americans never tried to exterminate the Irish?

  256. @The Alarmist
    What she doesn't understand is that the English look down on everybody.

    And that is an acceptable way to behave in your view?

  257. @LondonBob
    Astonishingly Irish people were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, that halfwit Cameron even campaigned with the Irish President encouraging them to vote and vote for Remain.

    Us leaving the EU has once again reminded the Irish that they are an economic vassal of Britain, they will be hardest hit by Brexit. The sensible move would be for Ireland to leave the EU and Euro, adopt free trade with Britain and once again peg their currency to GBP.

    Ireland has gotten a lot wealthier since joining the EU. It would probably get poorer if it left.

  258. @Clyde
    That nose ring? Nothing says, "I am a certified dumbass", like a nose ring. If she made a small effort she is probably good looking.

    You must be really old to be so fixated on a nose ring since people have been wearing them for decades. While I don’t like them myself, I am aware that a lot of people do.

  259. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile on Reddit's Ireland forum, they can't get enough of this article: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/9p8bc7/i_didnt_hate_the_english_until_now_an_irish_woman/e7zwouh/

    That insult “gammon” (a type of pork) began among British Muslims as an insulting reference to white people, but is now widely used by liberal whites in Britain (and apparently Ireland) to insult their conservative opponents.

  260. @Anonymous
    That's an interesting observation. The major European fleets moved to steam propulsion in the 1840s and 50s. Did English attitudes to Ireland change at that time?

    It would be impossible to say conclusively because the threats from Catholic Spain and France had waned for other reasons. We do know though that the British insisted on keeping several naval bases in Ireland as a condition to giving up direct rule.

  261. @Reg Cæsar
    Violent crime rates are usually 50% higher in the Celtic fringe than in England, despite the latter's more crowded, urban nature and the larger incidence of poorer immigrants.

    Do you have any evidence to back this up? If so, produce it. If not, then stop lying.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Do you have any evidence to back this up? If so, produce it. If not, then stop lying.
     
    How to "lie" with maps:


    https://www.verisure.co.uk/sites/securitas-uk/files/u71/uk_map-crime_intro_page.png

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/24/article-2313942-1974CEA5000005DC-275_634x635.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/24/article-2313942-19760DF0000005DC-762_634x671.jpg


    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/51/590x/secondary/UK-cities-with-the-lowest-crime-rate-1404833.jpg?r=1533117360424

  262. @Anon
    "some obscure female writer’s vignette as “proof” of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept."

    ...published in the Western world's most important newspaper, so it's pretty hard to ignore. Sailer has reproduced lots of similar articles from the Times and other prominent sources. Noticing patterns isn't a bad thing. Remember Rule #1: SJWs always lie. This guy couldn't have been unaware of the ridiculousness of his comment. However, being full of himself, he published it anyway...to howls of laughter.

    Lol, worthless NPC.

    [Perception 1/10] Blah, blah, blah. Alt-right. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    The New York Times is not the most influential daily newspaper in the USA, no matter what the freaks in the NYC, DC, and LA bubbles may tell themselves. Not even close.

    The Wall Street Journal’s circulation DWARFS the NYT’s, whether print, digital, or combined, and it cannot be said that the WSJ’s readership is systematically “inferior to” / “less influential than” the NYT’s in average household income or net worth, average level of formal education, etc.

  263. @Orangeman
    Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn't make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    British refers to people from the island of Britain. Ireland is a separate island. Therefore the Irish are not British. The IRA are not “neo Marxist thugs and killers”. They are Irish men and women who fought against British imperialism in Ireland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They fought John Bull's tyranny for a future of socialism, sodomy and surrender, removing the English in favor of Hmong, Somalis, and every other sort of featherless biped.
    , @JMcG
    Ireland is one of the British Isles, the largest of which is Great Britain. That’s a simple fact.
    Both my grandfathers fought with the IRA in the War for Independence.
    Neither would have had anything to do with the vicious, murderous scum who spent the troubles blowing up women and children.
    Take a look at the victims of the Omagh bombing.
    You are defending the indefensible.
  264. @Whiskey
    Women go insane if they are not looking after their children by a man of greater status and their household. They react with general rage to their male peers for the only unpardonable male sin. Being beta.

    Agree with Whorefinder there on the likely evolution of the romantic life of the women in question.

    Have you even had a conversation with a woman? Other than your mother, of course.

  265. @Chrisnonymous

    But the Irish woman who “is based” in London
     
    No. No, she is not based. Not in London. Not anywhere else.

    Pay attention to me!
     
    Steve, you didn't mention Sailer's Laws of Female Journalism. Is this a second? Are you slipping?


    By the way, since Mary Beard has now informed us all that Britons have always been a multicultural rainbow, isn't Megan Nolan saying she hates blacks and Muslims? Oops!

    Ireland wasn’t conquered by blacks and Muslims.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I was there two weeks ago, you might want to look again.
  266. @Peterike
    Considering that Ireland let a single Jew destroy it forever with his immigration policies, it’s kinda funny that all she can find to complain about are the British. Presumably white ones.

    Are you talking about Benjamin Disraeli? Yes, he was a horrible person who is hopefully burning in hell if such a place exists.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Joe Walker:

    Alan Shatter, the Minister for Justice & Equality, was the contemporary Jewish politician who opened the Irish immigration floodgates.

    The Irish Savant has chronicled the misdeeds of this truly reptilian character.

    BTW, it is remarkable about the wide ranging interest and knowledge of Ireland displayed by commentators in this and other UR threads. Hail to our patron Ron!
  267. @Joe Walker
    And so that justifies the British oppressing the native Irish Catholics for hundreds of years?

    Yes and it still justifies any Englishman to enter your home and confiscate your PlayStation, cannabis and Pop Tarts. Grow up.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Wow! That's your best response? How pathetic.
  268. @Anon
    I remember reading somewhere about the IQ differences among Northern European groups, and if you got reasonably pure, local test results (for instance, the four-grandparents-within-100-km requirement), the differences were pretty large. Specifically, I remember that pure English were higher than the Scots and Irish, and between the Scots and Irish, one was definitely lower. I can't remember the rankings or values however. But whatever it was, English were something like two-thirds of a standard deviation above the Irish (which I guess would include Richard Lynn? No, he's an Englishman).

    I think that the "purity" of all three of these groups is much less today, and anyone who ends up in London is probably more likely to be an elite with higher intelligence.

    It might make the black-Hispanic-white IQ gaps go down easier and be more plausible to people if, in addition to the Jewish gap, the intra-Caucasian gaps were more publicized.

    Any writing that starts with the phrase “I remember reading somewhere” is usually a load of crap.

  269. @NickG

    Why did the man throw a pigeon head at the protesters? More important, why was he carrying one in his pocket, ready, seemingly, to be launched as soon as a worthy adversary appeared?
     
    As an Englishman I should let you know that we have a long proud tradition of pigeon head concealed carry, how else do you think we were able to commit such fowl deeds as starting the industrial revolution, building the largest empire the world has ever seen and beating the Boche ....twice?

    The Germans were defeated by, primarily, the Americans in WW1 and the Soviets in WW2. The “UK” would have been stalemated at best in WW1 without the USA’s foolish intervention.

    And without the USA’s equally foolish intervention in WW2, the “UK” would have been a vassal of Germany or outright occupied German territory.

    Formerly-great formerly-Britain needs to get over its delusions of grandeur. The USA will be forced to do the same.

    • LOL: NickG
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "And without the USA’s equally foolish intervention in WW2..."

    Not this again. Listen, America had a duty to become involved to protect its trade interests, its allies, and its own borders. Grow up.
  270. @kaganovitch
    You DO see that this airhead is writing in the NY Times, right? Steve, for our sins is relegated to a dark corner of the internet . Does that tell you something about current elite sympathies? Nah, you're Corvinus.

    Why is she an airhead? Just because you don’t agree with her?

  271. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    She does have the obligatory nose ring, the ultimate token of subservience, so that she can be led around with actually assenting to the leading. Taking on the status of a cow is astonishing. What will be next? Will Megan Nolan 'walk' around with nothing but chaps and her hands grabbing her ankles? Will there be takers?

    You really need to stop looking at porn. It is rotting your brain.

  272. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    European
    99.7%

    East Asian & Native American
    0.3%
     
    Hey, you're as Indian as Elizabeth Warren!

    We all are, bro, we all are.

  273. @J.Ross
    Example: Prince Phillip asking a welfare recipient who is receiving training to care for elderly people, "who do you sponge off?"
    I notice that these master-strokes are Orwellishly enough characterized as gaffes.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163868/Prince-Philip-does-asks-women-East-End-community-centre-group-sponge-off.html

    Isn’t the British royal family basically just a bunch of welfare recipients?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Orange man bad. Fifty cents good. Vendsnack plus good. Televised celebrity bellyfeel doubleplusgood. Orange man -- bad.
  274. @asdf
    She can move back to Ireland I assume. I imagine the Brits will get by somehow.

    How about the English move back to Germany?

  275. @Cagey Beast
    Yes and it still justifies any Englishman to enter your home and confiscate your PlayStation, cannabis and Pop Tarts. Grow up.

    Wow! That’s your best response? How pathetic.

  276. @RadicalCenter
    Yep. Those Englishmen are typically SUBSTANTIALLY German and Celtic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

    But it is mostly a result of Germanic men raping Celtic women.

  277. Keep going Joe, you’re in the zone. Block out all thoughts and just keep hitting those keys.

  278. @pyrrhus
    Which raises an interesting question...How does an absolute nobody get published in the NYT? My guess is that it's related to ethnicity or sleeping with the enemy....

    Maybe it is because she is a good writer and has something relevant to say?

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    Given what we just read, are you sure about that?
  279. @Joe Walker
    Isn't the British royal family basically just a bunch of welfare recipients?

    Orange man bad. Fifty cents good. Vendsnack plus good. Televised celebrity bellyfeel doubleplusgood. Orange man — bad.

  280. I thought the point of Home Rule was to make the English go away and forget all about Ireland.

  281. @Charles Pewitt
    Ireland has a lot of Irish people. That is what Ireland has.

    Italy has a lot more people and a manufacturing base and magnificent ancient cities and, most importantly, Italy has a guy named Matteo Salvini who will extinguish the evil EU.

    The Irish have benefited tremendously from following the British Empire Huns around the world.

    And from the plains of Royal Meath

     


    Strong men came hurrying through

     


    While Britannia's Huns with their long-range guns

     


    Sailed in through the foggy dew

     

    I give the Celtic Irish a lot of credit for fighting the Germanic English. SPIRIT for fighting and expression is what the Irish have.

    God Bless The Irish!

    Perhaps a quarter to a third of the regular British army was recruited in Ireland through the nineteenth century.

  282. @Corvinus
    "This is a hilariously representative Current Year op-ed in which a woman writer explains why she hates some demographic group that it is okay to hate these days due to the Theory of Intersectionality. It starts with some Twitter/Youtube inanity, the Decapitated Pigeon Incident, and goes on from there in the now predictable paths."

    NOTICE the parallel at your peril...a sardonic, prototypical Alt Right piece in which a male author offers "staccato grievance commentary"™ about some obscure female writer's vignette as "proof" of the widespread influence of an Ivory Tower concept.

    Can you hear me now? No, OK, how about now? Really, you still can't hear me? JHFC.

    Great point! These “people” dig out one of these articles every other day, each time exhibiting as it the ultimate stigmata of the Millennium. And then the Barbarians never come. But they never do realize that they are the Barbarians. And wouldn’t know poetry if it bit them, either, just incidentally.

  283. @Cagey Beast
    You reminded me of something I heard a Russian interviewer say to their Foreign Minister, Lavrov: "recently at the UN, you used constructive sarcasm to make this point". "Constructive sarcasm" definitely describes the way Lavrov, Putin and the whole Russian government engages with their "western partners" lately. I like it more than English microaggressions.

    I speak no Russian unfortunately but from the English translations I find of speeches given by Putin and Lavrov, especially on Youtube RT videos, they impress me as witty in a mordant way and obviously not stupid.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  284. @Joe Walker
    British refers to people from the island of Britain. Ireland is a separate island. Therefore the Irish are not British. The IRA are not "neo Marxist thugs and killers". They are Irish men and women who fought against British imperialism in Ireland.

    They fought John Bull’s tyranny for a future of socialism, sodomy and surrender, removing the English in favor of Hmong, Somalis, and every other sort of featherless biped.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  285. @whorefinder
    I'm getting the distinct impression this wild Irish rose just got dumped/ dissed by an English dude in favor of a more domesticated English rose.

    Happened quite a lot historically. English lads take the more emotional,less-cultured, good-time Irish girl for a role in the hay, but she's too rough/not pretty enough for him to settle down with, and he goes hoe and shacks up with an English girl. Irish girl feels used and cheated as a result. (Circle of Friends, the old Minnie Driver film, had this as B plot).

    There's a reason why English guys like a lads' weekend in Dublin, and not merely the exchange rate. Irish girls have never really had the best reputation for virtue if not religious; it was only when the iron hand of the Church was firmly upon them that they kept their legs closed.

    Is there an Irish term for English Beckys?

    Gemma, Gillian, and Georgina.

    Never seen any US girls with those names. Knew one Jillian with a “J,” but she was tiresome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    George Jones and Tammy Wynette named their daughter Georgette, is that close enough?
  286. @Joe Walker
    Actually it was the pro-British media in Ireland who came up with the term. Most Irish Catholics in Ireland are quite pro-American since many of them have relatives in the United States.

    Most Irish Catholics in Ireland are quite pro-American since many of them have relatives in the United States.

    You’ve obviously never lived in Ireland. lol

  287. @Joe Walker
    Today, Ireland has nothing to fear from the English and everything to fear from the EU and mass third world immigration.

    Really? So tell me how many Irish Catholics have been killed by European Union soldiers and how many have been killed by British soldiers? The answer to that question will tell you who the real enemy of Ireland is.

    Far more Irish Catholic soldiers have voluntarily served for Britain than been killed by the British, or anyone else. Indeed, far more Irish Catholics have voluntarily served for Britain than the Republic of Ireland.

    I ‘d be curious to know who killed more Catholics during the Troubles, British soldiers or Irish Republicans? I’d guess the latter.

    • Replies: @anon

    I’d guess the latter.
     
    And you'd probably be right. British soldiers killed 363 people total, not all of whom were Catholic. Republican paramilitaries killed 2,058 people:

    1080 (~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces [some of whom were Catholic]
    723 (~35%) were civilians [most of whom were Catholic]
    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries [all of whom were Catholic]
    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces [presumably Catholic]
     
  288. @Joe Walker
    The EU has been a pretty good deal for the small nation states of Europe, such as Ireland, and proto-nation states such as Scotland and Catalonia.

    And yet you criticize the writer for being pro-EU and anti-Brexit. Admit it Steve you are just jealous that she got published in the NYT and you didn't!

    Admit it Steve you are just jealous that she got published in the NYT and you didn’t!

    Admit it Joe, despite being a born and raised American you care more about Ireland, or rather the comfortable narratives of Irish Republicans, than you do about America? You guys rival the neocons when it comes to being a fifth column.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "...the comfortable narratives of Irish Republicans..."

    Nothing comfortable about three centuries of British rule, continuing on to the present day in the 6 Northern counties.
  289. @Rosamond Vincy
    Gemma, Gillian, and Georgina.

    Never seen any US girls with those names. Knew one Jillian with a "J," but she was tiresome.

    George Jones and Tammy Wynette named their daughter Georgette, is that close enough?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Nope. There have been a reasonable number of real or fictional American Georgettes and Georgias, like Sweet Georgia Brown, singer Georgia Gibbs, and Georgette on Mary Tyler Moore, played by an actress naned Georgia.

    The Brits have one famous Georgette (regency writer Heyer), but both Jane Eyre's spoiled pretty cousin and Mr. Darcy's sister were Georgianas.

    Georgina rhyming with sonatina doesn't count, especially if it's shortened to Gina. Georgina (long i, like South Carolina and well, some other words like that) and Georgiana are strictly in a class by themselves.
  290. @Corvinus
    "It’s in the New York Times, dumbazz. Are you really this obtuse?"

    It's Fake News, right? So why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?

    why would Mr. Sailer want to be published by a Fake News outlet?

    So he could more effectively spread Real News, of course.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So he could more effectively spread Real News, of course."

    You mean to spread his own brand of "Real News".
  291. @Anonymous
    George Jones and Tammy Wynette named their daughter Georgette, is that close enough?

    Nope. There have been a reasonable number of real or fictional American Georgettes and Georgias, like Sweet Georgia Brown, singer Georgia Gibbs, and Georgette on Mary Tyler Moore, played by an actress naned Georgia.

    The Brits have one famous Georgette (regency writer Heyer), but both Jane Eyre’s spoiled pretty cousin and Mr. Darcy’s sister were Georgianas.

    Georgina rhyming with sonatina doesn’t count, especially if it’s shortened to Gina. Georgina (long i, like South Carolina and well, some other words like that) and Georgiana are strictly in a class by themselves.

  292. @Matra
    The French are foreign, white Americans are foreign but the Irish?

    The Irish and English are closer to one another than either is to Americans, that's true, but Americans aren't considered anywhere near as foreign as people on the continent.

    Following 9/11 when many Americans in England expressed hurt at what was being said about them and their country, Simon Jenkins - then writing for The Times, I believe - said people in England were surprised by American sensitivity to English remarks. Why? Because, he said, we don't really think of Americans as foreigners. So just as the English slag off their own country all the time and take the piss out of each other - regional stuff - they expected Americans, much like Australians, to not be sensitive about this stuff.

    As to the Irish. They should be happy about English ignorance and lack of curiosity because it saved them from being crushed in 1969-70. In the late 60s Ulster Protestants told them not to fall for the 'We shall Overcome' civil rights stuff. The Irish go with strength and whatever is fashionable. If you crush the still small Republican movement they'll not be too bothered and will even mock them, but don't give them hope of actually winning. The English ruling class, though, with their ignorance of Ireland and perhaps their liberal merchant mindset, knew better. We'd all get along, they said, once a few concessions were given. They were wrong, but it's too late to do much about it now.

    The IRA has only been defeated once in its history, by the Free State in the 1920s – and this was done using extremely brutal methods that are completely unacceptable today.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  293. @whorefinder

    My guess is that the English of her age implicated in these incidents and in interactions with her are on the youngish, Millennial side of things, and the Irish issue had been fairly settled well during their entire lifetimes. It’s probably not ignorance of the troubled past relationship between Britain and the Irish specifically, but rather general historical ignorance by the Englishmen who so irk her.

     

    To left-wingers, the idea that whites might have ethnic strife with whites is either ridiculous or a major exaggeration/lie from the past. After all, everyone knows whitey just oppressed non-whites.

    According to the left, history began in 1960, which was just about 5 minutes ago.


    Another funny thing is that due to immigration of the Irish to Great Britain, roughly six million Brits have significant Irish ancestry (like, say, three of the four Beatles). So there’s a fine chance that a good number of the people she’s hating are themselves Irish.
     
    The Beatles film A Hard Days Night had a plot partially driven by a man playing McCartney's irascible Irish grandfather (played by a Irish actor).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lN957vZjQY

    The old boy has a resemblance to Papa Joe Kennedy.

  294. @Matra
    If you’re American, you’re a “plastic paddy”

    That term originated with the Irish themselves. Anyone who has spent time with them knows it is the Irish who are the people most likely to use it when referring to Americans like you.

    People like me? LOL as if you know anything.

    Regardless of where it started, the Brits use it all the time. If the Irish use it, that would be amusing, since they’re one of the bigger immigration problems we have today. Notice how the Irish reacted to Trump’s calls to deport and toughen immigration laws — they went ballistic.

  295. If Ms. Nolan really really really really hates the English – then she will help the Rotherham Town Council bring in more muzzies to rape more English girls and cover it up with more cover ups. And any English who complain are racist, duly charged with racism, thrown in jail. Then raped in jail by the muzzies already in jail for other crimes that are not socially acceptable.

    Oh wait – the Irish do all that to their fellow Irish now, in Ireland, the diversity cult cometh. Never mind, she must hate other Whites. She must. Because – the past.

  296. @Orangeman
    Irish are British.
    As are English, Scots and Welsh.

    Just because the term British has been warped into a synonym for English and English only doesn't make it right.

    How sad neo Marxist thugs and killers like the IRA have become a patriotic totem for Catholic Irish

    IRA ‘marxism’ was skin deep and intended for external consumption as militant republicans courted support from the USSR and other communist states.

  297. @Joe Walker
    Maybe it is because she is a good writer and has something relevant to say?

    Given what we just read, are you sure about that?

  298. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hodag
    I'm Irish American who grew up at NORAID dinner dances and WolfeTones concerts.

    My father in law was born in Delhi and had to move to Karachi due to the separation.

    We bonded over our mutual approval of Mountbatten's murder.

    Mountbatten himself was a legitimate enemy belligerent but the others killed or maimed on the boat were not. The IRA were often a little too enamored of “kaboom” for their own good.

    “Never use a bomb when a bullet will do”-Covington, referring to this excessive propensity for blowing stuff up on their part.

    I took back my hand and I showed him the door
    No dollar of mine would I part with this day
    For fueling the engine of bloody cruel war
    In my forefather’s land far away

    Who fled the first Famine wearing all that they owned
    Were called ‘Navigators’ all ragged and torn
    And built the Grand Trunk here and found a new home
    Wherever their children were born

    Their sons have no politics. None call recall
    Allegiance from long generations before
    O’this or O’that name can’t matter at all
    Or be cause enough for to war

    And meanwhile my babies are safe in their home
    Unlike their pale cousins who cower and cry
    While kneecappers nail their poor dads to the floor
    And teach them to hate and to die

    It’s those cruel beggars who spurn the fair coin
    The peace for their kids they could take at their will
    Since the day old King Billy prevailed at the Boyne
    They’ve bombed and they’ve maimed and they’ve killed

    Now they cry out for money and wail at the door
    But Home Rule or Republic ’tis all of it shame
    And a curse for us here who want nothing of war
    We’re kindred in nothing but name

    All rights and all wrongs have long since blown away
    For causes are ashes where children lie slain
    Yet the damned U.D.L. and the cruel I.R.A.
    Will tomorrow go murdering again

    But no penny of mine will I add to the fray
    “Remember the Boyne!” they will cry out in vain
    For I’ve given my heart to the place I was born
    And forgiven the whole House of Orange
    King Billy and the whole House of Orange