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A Reader Asks: Should I Remain a Republican?

A reader asks:

Steve,

I’m a Republican. I just returned from the Texas State Convention. I’m active in my local Republican Club and get-out-the-vote efforts.

I’m troubled by a few things. Everyone I talk to thinks we should be putting our resources into minority outreach, despite the lack of results from such efforts in the last fifty years.

Our local leaders talk as if we need to make better arguments to blacks, for example. But blacks already know about the GOP stand on marriage, on school choice, etc. Blacks still vote 90% Democrat. In our local elections, it’s basically 100%.

Our leadership talks as if all we have to do is make better arguments. But we’ve already made the arguments, done the outreach, and we’ve never gotten any votes for it. I keep encountering people who act like these outreach policies are new, original ideas. It’s like the GOP had no institutional memory whatsoever.

The RNC is now giving commissions to the county organizations for setting up minority precincts with minority precinct captains. Same for minority clubs. But the county only gets the money if the captains and clubs are headed by minority persons. It’s basically affirmative action.

I’m all for minority outreach, but we’re not winning elections in the short or long-term with that strategy.

You’ve been at this longer than I. Is it worth it to wrangle with the GOP leadership? Or is the GOP going off the cliff wearing a blindfold, no mater what its members do?

(Kindly use only my first name, if you publish this email.)

Jeff

 
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  1. What’s interesting is the number of black people that identify as Christians, especially in the south, that vote for candidates that support abortion, birth control, and every aspect of the gay agenda, simply because they’re black or liberal candidates.

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  2. Wasn’t this the Texas state GOP convention that turned away the guest worker plank to the state party platform? (Even though I know that Bob Dole was right when he said that party platforms are meaningless pieces of paper.)

    As for his question, I’m not going to provide a yes or no answer. But I will say that I think a lot of “independents” today are ex-Republicans that mostly vote for some Republicans but are upset at the RINOification of the party.

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  3. Everyone makes this too hard. Blacks and Hispanics want welfare benefits, handouts, gibsmedat. The party that can deliver/promise/imply the most government goodies is the party that will win almost 100% of the black vote and 60-80% of the Hispanic vote, consistently.

    The Stupid Party can’t message its way to higher NAM vote percentages because the messaging doesn’t involve more gibs. OTOH, not even the worst Republican can ever win a urinating match with your typical Democrat when it comes to promising government gibs to NAMs.

    The obvious solution? It’s the one the Stupid Party wants none of, and that is, competing for a higher percentage of the white vote. Actually, that wouldn’t be my obvious solution, because I’m thinking more long term.

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  4. “What’s interesting is the number of black people that identify as Christians, especially in the south, that vote for candidates that support abortion, birth control, and every aspect of the gay agenda, simply because they’re black or liberal candidates.”

    A lot of black people, being poorer on average, think politics is less about culture war issues and more about who’s going to keep the local bus routes going so their family can get to work.

    And we know how Republicans feel about mass transit.

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  5. I’m in the same position as the letter writer. I’m a conservative. I would never vote for a Democrat. I’ve voted for the GOP presidential candidates since 1992, with the exception of 2008 when in protest I voted for some third party candidate instead of McCain.

    But I look around and I don’t see a serious effort by any faction in the Republican party to understand the reality of race and politics, and deal with that reality in some fresh and strategically coherent manner that approaches Steve’s “Citizenism” program. Instead, I see the GOP slowly but surely adopting the Democratic program of a racial spoils system.

    There is some resistance in the party, of course, but it’s mostly underground and undeveloped. I appreciate Jeff Session’s effort on behalf of immigration restriction, but I do wish we had a more charismatic spokesman. I had the same feeling about Tom Tancredo as he stuttered his way through the presidential primary debates in 2007.

    If the racial balance in the country was static, there would be less to worry about. But it’s far from static. One has to wonder that if the GOP feels the need to do this today, when more than seven out of ten voters are still white, what will the situation be like in just twenty or thirty years?

    My own inclination is to not give away my support anymore. Until 2008, I tended to agree with the logic that the lesser of two evils is better. But I no longer think that way. If the Republican Party doesn’t come to my positions on immigration and affirmative action, then I’m not going to support their candidates.

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  6. Of course not. The country is better off if the center-right proceeds as it has and self-immolates through neocon interventionist idiocy and anti-worker corporatism. And I’m glad the religious right is stone dead. Maybe if the elephant offs itself we’ll get something neither insane nor embarrassing, though that’s a distant, fading hope.

    Oh, and not even a captcha, Steve? Nice. Though I’m hard-pressed to choose a pseudonym.

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  7. It doesn’t matter what you are. You cannot change the system, nor will your life change in any material way if the republicans ‘go off the cliff’. It’s kinda like losing sleep over an MLB game. That aside, the GOP has some options to such as ejecting the fringe and returning to pro-growth policy of tax cuts, proactive foreign policy and deregulation. That’s pretty much the platform that has worked for every republican victory of the past fifty or so years. Minority outreach never works.

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  8. If you own a business (and I do), you spend a lot of time prospecting, looking for new customers in places you haven’t looked before, and that you hope your competition has not thought to look.

    You spend time “stroking” the prospects, talking to them about the advantages of your product, etc. etc. Eventually, some will become customers; a lot of them, maybe even most, won’t. You learn to recognize the signs that someone isn’t going to buy your product, and when you see those signs you stop wasting your time and move on.

    In politics it’s much the same. Blacks are a lost cause and will never vote for the GOP, so it’s stupid to spend even a dime on that sort of fool’s errand. That being said, Hispanics are another case, not because they’re ever likely to vote for Republicans in large numbers, but the objective is to make Democrats think they might, and make them spend money pitching Hispanic voters. Every dollar the Democrats have to spend to defend a vote they thought they’d already sewn up is a dollar they don’t have available to spend on something else, like say, scaring suburban white women that their daughters won’t be able to get an abortion if they get knocked up the wrong sort of guy.

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  9. I have to wonder how many of the readers of this blog are actually Republicans.

    I know I’m not. I also wonder how many Republicans there would actually be, at least this version of them, if there were no blacks in America.

    Gay stuff doesn’t particularly bother me, I have no personal feelings about that subject one way or another.

    I really don’t get excited about gender issues (or whatever it is called). I kind of think the whole thing is silly. Well except for the change in the marriage/home life situation of America’s ever growing underclass, as opposed to the remaining upper class. Now that’s serious as a heart attack.

    But I would be perfectly happy to vote for a Democratic party that was willing to shut the doors on immigration, practice a mercantilistic trade policy, implement a true national health care system like Canada’s, raise the minimum wage, and both provide free college education and cut down on the number of secondary schools we have in this country. And to finance it all, they brought the Hammer of Hell down on Wall Street and the whole FIRE sector.

    I’m not holding my breath. So I vote for … someone in every election. Though quite often it turns into voting AGAINST someone, with no real knowledge or hope the alternative is any better.

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  10. So, the emailer is thinking to himself, “Hey, this GOP thing, it sure seems like a scam. They take middle class white Christian’s money. They take middle class white Christian’s time. They take middle class white Christian’s votes. They return outsourcing, de-industrialization, open borders, and affirmative action.” And his question is, is it a good plan to continue working for them. Seriously? He needs help figuring this out?

    OK. Dude: stop working for the GOP. Do not volunteer for them. Do not give them money. Do not vote for them. Never, ever again. Just stop. They are never, ever, ever, never going to do anything but f@%! you. The fact that your very nice neighbors and that very nice couple that sits in front of you at church are GOP dupes should make you hate the GOP more. It should not make you question whether you’ve got the color of the sky right.

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  11. Vinny wrote:

    “A lot of black people, being poorer on average, think politics is less about culture war issues and more about who’s going to keep the local bus routes going so their family can get to work.

    And we know how Republicans feel about mass transit.”

    It’s an opinion, but I really think that attitude towards mass transit in general comes from the presence of blacks. There is no other good way to put it.

    In general, the support and use of public transportation in this country is inversely proportional to the fraction of the population that is black in the area. Just as voting Republican is directly proportional to it.

    The whole thing is freaking nuts if you ask me. Just by showing up they destroy whole cities, shape political parties into bizarre things that couldn’t possibly exist without their presence, convince vast swaths of people to move out to suburbs, change whole educational systems, there is no end to it.

    And no one notices the elephant in the room as it were. If I have learned one thing from reading this site, it is that their is no hope that it will or can change. Whatever impact hispanics have, whether we turn into Brazil Norte, speak Spanglish, whatever, cover the nation in litter from sea to sea, they will never have the same impact blacks have had on this country. It is really insane if you think about it.

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    Who do the commissions get paid to?

    Find a minority and get them to sign up, help them jump through the hoops and split the commission with them. Take the stupid RNC’s money. Do this a few dozen times, then release a video documenting the process.

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  13. The Republican party’s relevance ended when Reagan was unable to abolish the Dept. of Education. It is merely less left than the Dems. Not original with me but this: Dems want to drive over the cliff at 100 mph– the GOP wants to slow it down to 50.

    Good luck trying to ‘wrangle’ any politicos– this game was over decades ago.

    Try a deep draft of Mencius Moldbug instead.

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  14. I’ve continued to vote, even though I have lost all hope for our elites to reform. As a responsible citizen I believe it is my patriotic duty to be informed and vote when called upon to vote. The act is merely for my benefit and no one else, as I know I am wasting my time voting.

    I’m fond of pointing out that I can recall when a Ted Cruz would have been comfortable in the Democratic Party. He certainly would have been in the hawkish wing, but that wing existed and was lively. Today is on the extreme fringe of the Republican Party. Within my lifetime the characters on MSNBC would have been barred from TV by respectable liberals, because they were too crazy. No, that’s the core of the American Left.

    That’s the drift of things. It will keep going that way until it reaches whatever natural limits exist. So, vote if it makes you happy. Participate if that brings you pleasure. Just don’t kid yourself that it will make any difference.

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    “And I’m glad the religious right is stone dead. Maybe if the elephant offs itself we’ll get something neither insane nor embarrassing, though that’s a distant, fading hope.”

    Watching the alt right get steamed rolled while they celebrate the waning influence of the religion right is going to bring such joy to my heart. Honestly, the one political movement with less people in it that the libertarians (really different sides of the same aspie coin) is so choosy about their allies. The alt-right is a cancer as far as mainstream politics goes. The only faction that doesn’t openly spit in its face the religious right gets all of no reciprocation from Nietzsche fan boys. If that doesn’t tell you that the alt-right is about something other than winning elections and “protecting” traditional American I don’t know what would.

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  16. Blacks still vote 90% Democrat. In our local elections, it’s basically 100%.

    Aside from Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Condoleeza Rice, Alan Keyes, Michael Steele, Herman Cain, Larry Elder, Jennifer Carroll, Mia Love, Ward Connerly, and Clarence Thomas, Blacks vote 100% democrat.

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  17. OK this sounds familiar because our state chair has been pushing this nonsense and we don’t have any NAMs here unless you count Indians.

    It’s coming from the RNC strategy meetups and breakout sessions they all go to. We’re just podunk flyover so of course he’s going to go with the flow just for the glory and to get perks from the leadership that a small state rube normally wouldn’t get. But why would a Texan go along? Geez.

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  18. @Sunbeam: The whole thing is freaking nuts if you ask me. Just by showing up they destroy whole cities, shape political parties into bizarre things that couldn’t possibly exist without their presence, convince vast swaths of people to move out to suburbs, change whole educational systems, there is no end to it.

    And they’re only 12% of the US population.

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  19. The “religious right” (i.e. organized Christian conservatives mostly Protestant-Evangelical-dispensationalist) isn’t so much “dead” as the fact that it got too much credit for some of the election results of the past. I’m starting to think that the Tea Party Movement is getting more credit than it really deserves for the red wave of 2010.

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  20. Just as a background, I’m an over-educated 20 something year old white guy whose opinion is that the Republicans should stop trying to focus on minority outreach and instead take a different tact. Younger voters won’t go for a party that is seen as being anti-urban, denies climate change, generally supports the war on drugs and opposes gay marriage. My thought is that the party should pivot more towards the UK’s Conservative Party and provide a conservative vision of the future that is more inclusive and doesn’t come across as being so reactionary. Plenty of young SWPL type voters realize that Democrats suck at governing, but Republicans scare them off by saying cuckoo wacko bird stuff and trying to rehash memories of Reagan. The problem with the Reagan strategy however is that the largest generation in the country has no connection with Reagan because we are too young. If Republicans had a message that, hypothetically, advocated market based solutions for climate change, less corrupt city governments, got over the culture wars, and economic ideas that aren’t just tax cuts, then there are young people who could be much more receptive to them.

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  21. “Just as a background, I’m an over-educated 20 something year old white guy whose opinion is that the Republicans should stop trying to focus on minority outreach and instead take a different tact. Younger voters won’t go for a party that is seen as being anti-urban, denies climate change, generally supports the war on drugs and opposes gay marriage. My thought is that the party should pivot more towards the UK’s Conservative Party and provide a conservative vision of the future that is more inclusive and doesn’t come across as being so reactionary. Plenty of young SWPL type voters realize that Democrats suck at governing, but Republicans scare them off by saying cuckoo wacko bird stuff and trying to rehash memories of Reagan.”

    Whoa, not only do you have spelling issues, you believe in that crazy global warming climate change is white man’s fault crap.

    Way to go after being over educated.

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  22. @Troglodyte

    I don’t want to turn this into a debate about climate change, but if you look at polling issues regarding young people, then it becomes clear that global warming is an issue that really turns them off of Republicans. If the Republican party advocated a market based solution (like cap and trade) for doing something about it as opposed to Obama’s EPA mandate plan, then that could be a huge win for them. To the traditional base, Republicans could say that their hand was forced and they took the least bad option available by at least preventing a much more damaging and impractical mandate. To younger folks, it would be a sign that Republicans are willing to take meaningful action to deal with the problem instead of ignoring it. Even if anthropogenic climate change is a huge scam, from an electoral standpoint, it really doesn’t matter because enough voters believe it’s real and want to do something about it.

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  23. Aristippus,

    Your analysis sounds like the standard magazine pap which passes for serious analysis in many circles. “Be more like [name some international party].” “Pivot away from social and moral issues.” “Stop talking about Reagan.” “Deal with climate change.” Blah, blah, blah.

    The problem with the youth vote is race. Even an uninspiring candidate like Romney won the *white* 18-to-29 year old demographic 51-44. So you’re mixing up two different issues.

    As for social issues, the move to ban SSM was highly popular. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, such bans were always more popular on election day than were the candidates in the Republican Party.

    Prop 8, for example, did far better in California than did John McCain that year. George W. Bush won the 2004 presidential election and still ran behind all eleven state initiatives banning same sex marriage that year. It’s funny how the GOP is constantly being told to run away from issues that are more popular than the party.

    Is the public’s view on gay marriage changing now? Probably. But I should point out that it is still mostly the courts, and not the voters, who are effecting change on this issue.

    I do agree that the youngest generation has no connection to Reagan, and so constant appeals to the man make little sense if your aim is attracting a younger audience who is somewhat open to a few of your ideas.

    But the real problem for Republicans is not Reagan – a man who had no problem appealing to young voters – but George W. Bush.

    Most young voters nowadays associate Republican governance with Bush’s screwups. They have no knowledge of Republican governance back from a time when it actually did some good – winning the Cold War, quelling inflation, beating Saddam in a route, forcing Clinton to triangulate on welfare reform and government spending, etc.

    I remember all this, but most people your age think instead of the Iraq debacle, the Great Recession, and the mindless jingoism of the last decade. Until the Republican Party can once again have a political figure who is both attractive and competent, I’m afraid they’re going to have to get lucky before they can win consistently again.

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  24. “I’m an over-educated 20 something year old white guy whose opinion is that the Republicans should stop trying to focus on minority outreach and instead take a different tact.”

    You mean different tack.

    And I notice that your different tack is to pander to over-educated 20 something year old white guys who don’t know much about anything. You believe that Republicans say “cuckoo wacko bird stuff” because people in authority tell you so and you can’t evaluate ideas for yourself.

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  25. Anyone who still thinks voting is going to make any difference is a fool. All of our problems – health care, education, housing, obesity, foreign wars – hinge on demographics. No one will discuss demographics or race. Why waste time and effort on determined, blind ignorance? Disengage from this toxic society as much as possible. Prepare as best you can. Teach your children at home. And pray the water boils soon . . . this simmering is tiresome, to say the least.

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    Aristippus,

    I don’t want to turn this into a debate about climate change, but if you look at polling issues regarding young people, then it becomes clear that global warming is an issue that really turns them off of Republicans.

    Nonsense. There’s no polling evidence that young people are turned off of the GOP because of climate change.

    Please stop repeating something your teacher told you just because you think it sounds good.

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  27. The type of losers who care about climate change are never voting Republican, so that’s another demographic the GOP can safely ignore.

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  28. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    No…Become a highly racialized Native Born White American. Also, become a mortal enemy of the CORPORATION. You might want to think about becomming a highly racialized Native Born White American Anarchist-Communtarian.

    Even if nonwhites became Republican Voters…they would still enthusiastically vote you very rapidly into a racial minority. And don’t give me the nonesense about you not caring about being a racial minority within the borders of the “US”…you will hate every minute of it.

    In 2014 “America…it is all about Race. Former Ronnie Reagan Yuts should have seen it commig. The post-1965 nonwhites will show you no mercy.

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    Aristippus:

    I’m a 2o’s something White guy too, but from you wrote you’re going to need a couple more months of reading Isteve before you get yourself on the right track. Hell, just starting reading the occidental observer and get up to speed even quicker.

    What you pretty much just listed was low-tax liberalism, and that’s it.

    I think you’re perception of Republicans scaring off the yoofs by “saying cuckoo wacko bird stuff” comes from too much media absorbed from the likes of The Daily Show. Anyways, orienting your party towards appeasing leftist cultural masters whom only care about seeing how much you’ll grovel before their ever-expanding demands (trannies now?) is a pretty pointless.

    In American politics, race and immigration trumps all. If Republicans want to win, it won’t be free-markets vs. socialism, it won’t be bomb-for-Israel vs. not-bomb-from-israel, and it won’t be obamacare.

    The only thing that will work is: “what’s good for White People,” and the kind of White people I’m talking about is blue-collar Jeff from Ohio who just got married but never showed up to vote for Romney because, well, what the hell did he offer him? Amnesty for Mexicans he has to compete with? Getting his ass drafted to fight Iran?.

    You don’t have to be explicit about running on policies that benefit a particular group in America, but if you implicitly campaign with policies that would just-so-happen to benefit Whitey as a group then I’d bet you money that Jeff will show up to vote in 2016 and Ohio, Penn, and NC will go Republican.

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    “The whole thing is freaking nuts if you ask me. Just by showing up they destroy whole cities, shape political parties into bizarre things that couldn’t possibly exist without their presence, convince vast swaths of people to move out to suburbs, change whole educational systems, there is no end to it.

    And no one notices the elephant in the room as it were. If I have learned one thing from reading this site, it is that their is no hope that it will or can change. Whatever impact hispanics have, whether we turn into Brazil Norte, speak Spanglish, whatever, cover the nation in litter from sea to sea, they will never have the same impact blacks have had on this country. It is really insane if you think about it.”

    This.

    The structure of our cities is based on black behavior and white unwillingness to face it. School reform (i.e. Common Core) is based on black levels of accomplishment and white unwillingness to be honest about it. The modern welfare state is based on wealth transfer from white to black. Our culture (movies, tv, music, sports) is far blacker than our society. Our unwillingness to address crime is based on the fact that blacks more frequently commit it.

    I’m reasonably sure if the nation were a mix of hispanic, white, and asian, we would muddle through and do a reasonable job. Black upset the entire calculus of the country.

    Republican vs Democrat are a waste of time. If you want a good school for your kids, pay for a private school. It doesn’t matter who is running the Department of Education, or which party runs the school board, or which party the mayor belongs to.
    If you want a safe neighborhood to live in, live in a gated community, or live in a racially appropriate community. Which party runs the city government, or hires the police chief, or sets the county budget, is comparatively irrelevant. If you are politically or fiscally conservative, it is irrelevant which party you vote for: either the Republican Party isn’t doing what you want it to do, or other powers (the judiciary, the governmental bureaucracy) are making the decisions that impact your life most. Suppose you are against gay marriage (conservative today, mainstream ten years ago): how will your vote for Republicans support your position? Suppose you are against illegal immigration: will voting Republicans help? For a smaller (say, by 25%) federal budget. For a different philosophy in your schools. Whatever: does voting impact anything? If your guy wins (say, Republican candidate John Smith): will gay marriage go away? Will spending get lower? Will schools be turned around? Will US military behavior be changed? How does your vote translate into conservative behavior?

    Conservatism is done. As I said: be sure you can afford gated communities, or select communities (towns) rather than professions. This country’s course is set.

    random pseudonym guy

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  31. Young SWPLs are another lost cause. The good news is that some of them grow up–and join the Republican Establishment.

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  32. I used to support the Stoopid Party and vote the straight Stoopid Party ticket. The party has degenerated into a stalking horse for two groups: (1) war hawk, neocon, Israel-over-the-USA-and-let’s-start-another-cold-war-with-Russia fanatics and (2) bought-and-paid-for-by-Zuckergberg-et-al open-border and fire sale to China idiots. I now send the postage-paid enclosures that these con artists send me in their constant quest for money right back to them wrapped around a brick and a profanity laced message telling them how the party can regain my loyalty. It took a while but even the idiots running the this zombie party now realized they’ve lost my support. They don’t really seem to care all that much

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  33. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Viable strategies remain, if only conservatives were willing to compromise.

    Remain firm on immigration. Instead, drop libertarian economics and go populist. Tax the rich, regulate banks, and offer something to the poor and the middle class voters. Have Republicans ever attempted minority outreach with policies minority voters actually demand?

    I have no problem with libertarian economics myself. But it is unpopular with voters, especially African Americans and Hispanics.

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  34. “Everyone makes this too hard. Blacks and Hispanics want welfare benefits, handouts, gibsmedat. The party that can deliver/promise/imply the most government goodies is the party that will win almost 100% of the black vote and 60-80% of the Hispanic vote, consistently.

    Countenance nails it here. No need to over think policies and such. For NAMS, it boils down to who gives them more free stuff. It’s nothing more complicated than that. Democrats are also explicitly anti-white. Republicans are merely less so, as they too, refuse to stop the immivasion, and do not oppose anti-white “affirmative” action.

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  35. Actually, there are issues that generate a great deal of support from younger voters and even some from non whites like being anti-war, auditing the Fed, ending domestic spying, etc, and there is one giant elephant in the room. Gun rights is a huge, huge political loser for the Dems, but the GOP never wants to push it for whatever reason.

    The evangelical right did get lots of credit for GOP wins in the past, but from about 94 on most of that credit should have gone over to the gun rights supporters. That was the issue that turned the South Republican, that was the main issue that got the GOP a 1994 landslide win and control of congress, that was the issue that gave bush the presidency in 2000 and lost the sitting pres and vice pres states, and that is the issue that is going to lead to the GOP taking back the senate despite a number of moronic decisions they have made.

    Don’t believe that still applies? In Colorado last year, the state voted to recall two sitting state senators – the first time ever in state history – despite the pro recall side being outspent 6 to 1 and both districts had voted for Obama by roughly 20 points the year before. A third state senator resigned rather than lose a recall election.

    The demographics of the pueblo, CO district was solidly Dem and a large amount of Hispanics – yet they voted her out by 12%! 1/3 of registered Dems voted to recall her – a result so shocking that PPP figured it had messed up and did not release those figures until after the election.

    The one and only cultural issue that is trending toward our way and that the left lose again and again is on gun rights. It is also the one issue they fear most. Unfortunately, the GOP ignores this issue instead of beating the Dems over the head with it like the Dems do on issues that garner no where near as much support. It is one issue that is very easy for the con/libertarian side to win the emotional argument – unlike almost everything else other than immigration, which they refuse to touch.

    The Washington post recently did a poll and the voters preferred having the Dems handle almost every issue with just a couple exceptions – one being gun laws. That is one wedge issue that draws out independents, some Dems, and the GOP base that sits home when Romney and McCain run. So naturally, the GOP is all too willing to ignore it.

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  36. Yes, you should vote Republican if you care about immigration. Here’s why.

    You have no influence over the Democrats. The Republicans have to at least pretend to care, and can’t and won’t go as pro-immigration as the Democrats, because their base hates it. The Democrats, on the other hand, have a base that is 100% raring to go to flood the country with Hispanics and give themselves a permanent majority. So for any given political configuration a Republican in office is a better deal.

    So, yes, as disgusting as it feels, you should vote Republican as a purely tactical consideration.

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  37. I always vote Libertarian rather than Republican as my protest vote. At some point the Republicans wither away and the Democrats will split.

    I think whites are going to concentrate in places like Boise. That’s certainly where I would go if I were a young working class guy from California.

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  38. The same debate comes up about why Jews vote(d) overwhelmingly for Democrats all those years. There is usually something of value in each of the reasons given, but I am increasingly convinced that people vote along tribal lines. “I vote for this party because that’s what my people do.” In America, unlike, say, the Balkans or South Sudan, those tribes can be cultural, movable, and fluid – hence Aristippus believing that his group of 20-somethings is the cool one and more representative. His social circle tells him he has to identify Democrat because of the ickiness of some Republicans. His rational mind tells him there may be a better way, bless him.

    Conservatives, libertarians, religious right, antitaxers, …they all self-select to identify with a group as well and vote for Republicans or 3rd parties on that basis. We on the right are also moved by such tribal factors. I just think that we do it a lot less. Tribal identification is 80-90% of Democrat voting, 40-50% of Republican voting. Only a comparative advantage in rationality.

    Therefore, minority outreach should proceed entirely along advertising, rather than persuasive lines. The unspoken narrative should be (and it has the advantage of being true), that there is a type of black or hispanic that votes on the right (or that rejects the left): military, churchgoing, nuclear rather than extended family, whatever – and comfortable “in his own skin.”

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  39. The right-wing in USA has gotten fat and lazy because all it has to do is stand up and NOT be the crazy-evil party that is the left-wing.

    Drugged on the idea that if one has freedom, and takes care of one’s own house and life, that somehow society will magically fix itself, conservatives have focused on defending core institutions and have neglected our values.

    Values require identity. Identity forces us to look at race. Race forces us to look at (a) the necessity of the triad of culture, heritage and values for a society to have identity and thus any kind of meaningful cultural standard and (b) the tendency of societies to become mixed-race cultureless commercial voids as they decay.

    Conservatives don’t want to face this, as it’s a complex message and those fare poorly in democractic elections. Benefits and moral statements rank high, especially once you get women and kids into the voting pool.

    I grew up in a majority-minority town and have watched the evolution of that mix. Where once I thought racism was white people beating up on black people, now I see that it’s Black vs. Asian, Hispanic vs. Black, Indian vs. Chinese, etc. All of these groups are incompatible with others because to become compatible means to either be assimilated into the non-value gray race, or to keep your cultural identity and always be outsiders.

    As the Republicans attempt to keep any kind of relevance, their refusal to look at this issue spells their doom. Minorities don’t vote for majority parties. Even the “model minority,” Asians, falls under this category. Any party that stands for any kind of values will be seen as a majority party. And Republicans can’t become Democrats and offer bennies and moral statements. The Democrats are better at that because liberalism is an easier ideology.

    The unfortunate result is that this unstable situation is pushing the majority toward armed revolution. Most haven’t yet seen how bad it already is and how bad it soon will be. They’re drifting through on a haze of shopping, patriotism, self-congratulatory moralizing, media images and the like.

    However, I continue to support the Republican party. The left will never support identity as they view it as a majority and they, as those who represent the license of the individual to do whatever it wants, will NEVER support culture, values, heritage or identity.

    My goal is to turn around the right from within by pointing out that liberalism has failed and we need to take clearer, simpler, more goal-oriented action. If we don’t, our future is to become a failed third-world nation like Brazil or Russia. No one wants that for his grandchildren.

    I suggest that if all of us who are NOT LEFTISTS were to join together, get over our personal pretense and affection, and work within the Republican party, we can force it to make a stand. That will force the left into offensive mode and trigger them to reveal their actual intentions.

    Then we might be able to fight it out for our future.

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  40. As I’ve written elsewhere, I’ve pretty much checked out mentally from this “country.” Republican, Democrat, it doesn’t matter much. The United States has evolved (devolved?) into a boarding house/economic zone. Yes, there are still many pockets that retain what was once a wonderful nation, but they grower smaller each year. (I’m looking at you Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis. Your self-satisfying smugness will fall like the rest of the country once you’re forced to deal with blacks and Hispanics.)

    Barring a radical shift in immigration patterns – heck, even with much lower immigration – our fate is back in the pie. Demographically, we’re heading toward some combination of California, Texas, Brazil and New Mexico. I suppose that at some point, the US won’t be that appealing, even to poor immigrants. I could see that. Mexicans aren’t chomping at the bit to go to New Mexico. As the country gets poorer and more banana republic-like, government spending will be spread thin. Public schools, healthcare, etc., will become pretty crappy. Government employees will be even more worthless than they are now.

    Again, we’ll be like a 2nd-world country. Not horrible, but not pleasant either. Whites won’t disappear. We’ll do what they do in Brazil, Columbia and Mexico. We’ll live in gated communities, use a lot of private services and, more or less, separate ourselves from the blacks and Hispanics.

    Oh, wait, you’re not an upper-middle class white person. You’re working class. Um, well, in that case, you’re pretty F*&^%#. Sorry that you’re cousins abandoned you.

    And that more than any other reason is why I’ve checked out. It’s hard for me to face the fact that white people – my people – are utterly deserting their own kin just to feel good about themselves. Goodness knows that I have a ton of issues with what Jews are doing to this country, but at least, I know that they would never, ever screw over their people just to win fleeting approval from another group. They’d laugh at the idea.

    Every other group does what it thinks is best for its own kind, except whites. There’s something very wrong with that. Perhaps we’ve reach a time in history where our strengths and weakness don’t work well. Due to cheap and easy transportation, successful nations (i.e. peoples) need to be tribal, or they’ll be overwhelmed. Whites aren’t tribal enough – at least for now. If we don’t learn to fight for our own, we’ll be subsumed by groups that are. I don’t like the idea, but I don’t see another option.

    Actually, I think that whites will become much more tribal down the line, but only after we lose our working class and see the hordes lapping up on our middle and upper-middle class shores. We’ll see. For now, I simply try to do the best for my family because they are my people now.

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    GOP = Stew-pid party. But the cook lacks enough white meat to make the old ingredients.

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  42. The problem with the Reagan strategy however is that the largest generation in the country has no connection with Reagan because we are too young.

    Your point about the younger generation having no connection to Reagan seems valid. But if they don’t have any connection to Reagan, they surely have no connection to JFK. And yet dems have been successfully pushing JFK to the young since I was in college in the 1980s. I guess it would work with Reagan too if the media were on board.

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  43. Dirk:

    I think a lot of issues (gun control, gay marriage, activist foreign policy, immigration, oligarch-friendly regulation, affirmative action, domestic spying, etc) *seem* like they are liberal vs conservative issues. And so it seems kinda strange that the party that is supposed to be fighting on one side of these issues does so in a really lethargic, half-assed way.

    But I think many of these issues are really more of a ruling class/everyone else split. The elites in US politics, government, media, industry and academia broadly support a particular set of views about all these issues–they don’t like private gun ownership, but do like gay marriage and affirmative action. They really like aggressive foreign policy and domestic spying (perhaps because of the amazing gravy train created by that stuff).

    Powerful republicans are overwhelmingly from that class,and tend to assimilate into those values. So the Republican leadership tends to be pretty uninspired fighting for gun rights or against immigration, and the Democratic leadership tends to be pretty uninspired fighting against oligarch-friendly financial regulation and domestic spying.

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  44. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Citizen of a Silly Country” just about sums it up. I’m just an observer at this point — the bus has already careened off the cliff and turning it around mid-air ain’t gonna change a damn thing.

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  45. “Watching the alt right get steamed rolled while they celebrate the waning influence of the religion right is going to bring such joy to my heart. Honestly, the one political movement with less people in it that the libertarians (really different sides of the same aspie coin) is so choosy about their allies. The alt-right is a cancer as far as mainstream politics goes. The only faction that doesn’t openly spit in its face the religious right gets all of no reciprocation from Nietzsche fan boys. If that doesn’t tell you that the alt-right is about something other than winning elections and “protecting” traditional American I don’t know what would.”

    Whatever, man. Being flushed down the same shit-tunnel of mass-immigration and hugbox, no-meanness mass-media as everyone else will feel a little smoother knowing I never voted for the sort of cartoonish, new-Protestant idiocy the Republicans have entangled themselves with for the last twenty years. I’m sure a symbolic about-face on irrelevant wedge-issues like abortion and gay marriage would have saved this whole sinking ship of American governance but I’ve gotta give into my east-coast elitism here and abstain from endorsing hayseed Pentecostals and Evangelicals leading anything, let alone my country.

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  46. Perhaps rephrase the question this way: “Should I remain a member of the ‘Stupid Party’?” Now it should be easier to answer.

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  47. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    1)White gentiles have gotta withhold their votes and encourage others to do so. Unless they change their behavior they will always be taken for granted.

    1-1)I never read EJ Dionne’s 1990 book The Coming Republican Crackup…was it prophetic? is it useful today?

    2)Why wont Europeans rebel? In countries such as the Netherlands and Belgium the population density is so high….there is nowhere to run within the country. Yet, the Dutch Freedom Party vote declined b/c of their association with LePen and FN.

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  48. Three things:
    (1) Latinos are persuadable, and many of us are anti-openborders already. GW did pretty okay with Mexican-Americans in Texas, others should be able to do even better with a little work.
    (2) The past is not the future (Steve is wrong about this), and the demographic trends are such that as Latinos assimilate and get richer, they become more conservative. This is in Republicans favor, as long as a stream of poor newcomers is stymied.
    (3) You all are the Republican Party if you want. Become active. Volunteer. Lead.

    ~”White Hispanic”

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  49. perhaps only a catastrophic defeat in a war will be enough to shock the system, and get some elites to defect.
    Can others speculate how that might happen? perhaps we anatgonize the Russians and they explode an EMP over part of the US, we lose a cyber battle to China or Iran and they shut down much of our utilities for a month…….what could be equivalent to ww1 on Germany to our US Empire OR do we just face a slow and long decline??

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  50. I now send the postage-paid enclosures that these con artists send me in their constant quest for money right back to them wrapped around a brick and a profanity laced message telling them how the party can regain my loyalty. It took a while but even the idiots running the this zombie party now realized they’ve lost my support. They don’t really seem to care all that much

    Don’t worry, Sheldon Adelson will be glad to pick up your share.

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  51. If you are truly a conservative you can either a) remain active in the party to bring it down from within ( Reps are a greater enemy than Dems to white middle class citizens)
    b) drop them like a ton of bricks right now.

    But if you really are a republican , i.e., a tool of big government and corporations, a “conservative”, the best course of action to challenge the Dems for a slice of the pie is to go full populist. Offer Nams some goodies. Court unions with contracts. Get “empowered” career women cushy pretend jobs. Do business with Asians. And you’re good to go. Forget abot Blacks, they’re too dumb to even vote. Hispanics couldn’ t carne less. Just keep them happy and they won’t bother you.

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    I think a lot of times people underestimate the GOP. The 20 year old over educated White guy’s comments actually go against the polling data. Mitt Romney won a clear majority of White voters under 30, you rarely if ever hear this in the media. He won White women as well. Of course since our country’s demographics Obama was able to overcome the White vote.

    The GOP is doing fine. One thing I think the GOP needs to do better is to start tying Dem policies to local issues like schools. There’s a movement by Dems to do away with testing for gifted & talented. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/06/03/are-new-york-citys-gifted-classrooms-useful-or-harmful
    Just about all of the 400 plus comments are against. When you talk about immigration you say you’re defending the Anerican worker and how it taxes schools, homes etc.

    The GOP needs to go local better.

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  53. The comments to this piece are great.

    I’m a late 20s former liberal who hated Republicans because Bush. I used to be a race-denier. I still think: What if the U.S. were antiwar and dropped its military spending? What if we taxed the 1% and hung up Wall Street’s banksters? What if we had an enlightened protectionist economic policy and a nationalized health system (17% of GDP?!)? What if, indeed, the U.S. prison-industrial complex and the Drug War weren’t there (in Europe blacks are more crime-prone, but there’s nothing like the U.S. homicide rate)?

    I think there is a case to be made that if these could be addressed the U.S. would already be a great deal more livable and less dysfunctional. That isn’t to say The Gap would be closed or that the ethnic bias in our cultural-media-academic production isn’t a problem or that immigration won’t overwhelm the U.S. medium-term.

    Basically, if you took the best of Pat Buchanan, Liz Warren and Ron Paul – and they overlap on a fair amount – you could do good.

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  54. Anonitron wrote:

    “Whatever, man. Being flushed down the same shit-tunnel of mass-immigration and hugbox, no-meanness mass-media as everyone else will feel a little smoother knowing I never voted for the sort of cartoonish, new-Protestant idiocy the Republicans have entangled themselves with for the last twenty years. I’m sure a symbolic about-face on irrelevant wedge-issues like abortion and gay marriage would have saved this whole sinking ship of American governance but I’ve gotta give into my east-coast elitism here and abstain from endorsing hayseed Pentecostals and Evangelicals leading anything, let alone my country.”

    Whether they are effective, or you agree with their positions, Evangelicals actually have a belief system and try to advance it, Mammon be damned.

    I guess it is always a question of identity in the end. I’d like to ask you a couple questions about your conception of your identity.

    The first one is, are you actually smart? I mean intelligent. Do you know any Hayseeds? Any at all? Know any Evangelicals? Know anyone actually who is religious and lives their lives in accordance with a religion’s teachings?

    I’ve met people like you. I’ve also met people you disdain. The vocabulary is usually more expansive with guys like you, but it is usually only a veneer, kind of like a coat of varnish. In the end you are as intellectually limited as your conception of the people you derogate.

    Only you are too dumb to realize it.

    Now you might point to something like the job you have, or the money you make. This fact could be analyzed in a musing way.

    But in the end, right now the economy of this country is funneled through the FIRE sector and to a large extent through large money center entities, principally in New York.

    So whether you write a little code, or analyze something or other, in the end you are most likely a guy who goes in to empty chamberpots every morning. And you get to grab a little green off the dresser when you do so, while the guy sleeping in has a half-awake indulgent smile.

    Meanwhile miles down the road, there is a poor sharecropper trying to make ends meet. He prays to Jesus, but there is only so much he can do till the yokels string up the bastard in the bed.

    But well you don’t care, because you got yours. And a bucket of poop.

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  55. What’s interesting is the number of black people that identify as Christians, especially in the south, that vote for candidates that support abortion, birth control, and every aspect of the gay agenda, simply because they’re black or liberal candidates.

    Black Christianity is barely Christian. The media seems to sense this, what with their 180-degree about-face in how they handle their portrayals of black Christianity vs. white. Name one portrayal of a creepy, charismatic black preacher banging half his flock or otherwise up to no good, in the media. The phenomenon seems far more prevalent in real life. This is inverted when it comes to whites.

    Just as a background, I’m an over-educated 20 something year old white guy whose opinion is that the Republicans should stop trying to focus on minority outreach and instead take a different tact. Younger voters won’t go for a party that is seen as being anti-urban, denies climate change, generally supports the war on drugs and opposes gay marriage. My thought is that the party should pivot more towards the UK’s Conservative Party and provide a conservative vision of the future that is more inclusive and doesn’t come across as being so reactionary. Plenty of young SWPL type voters realize that Democrats suck at governing, but Republicans scare them off by saying cuckoo wacko bird stuff and trying to rehash memories of Reagan. The problem with the Reagan strategy however is that the largest generation in the country has no connection with Reagan because we are too young. If Republicans had a message that, hypothetically, advocated market based solutions for climate change, less corrupt city governments, got over the culture wars, and economic ideas that aren’t just tax cuts, then there are young people who could be much more receptive to them.

    In other words, we’re all fucked because your generation is hopelessly stupid? Nah. Young people have always been hopelessly stupid. They grow out of it.

    Trog, yes, it’s “tack,” not “tact.” But I’m an under-educated Philistine.

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  56. “White Hispanic” makes several good points – it is useless to talk about “Hispanics” in aggregate, given the huge range of ethnicities, education levels, countries of origin, and occupations mixed in that useless bureaucratic category. Why be as stupid as the Republican consultants we all mock?

    A nationalist, conservative closed borders party won’t sell among the Guatemalan peasants coming across the border now, but it could do well among the better established, middle and lower middle class Hispanic immigrants who have established themselves in the trades and small businesses. Make the case that their hopes for their children to move up into something like IT or owning a retail business are undermined by a Democratic party that wants to import an endless army of Indians and Chinese on H1-Bs for technical jobs. Argue that Democrats policies create high college costs and bad schools (which they do).

    Plenty of Mexicans and Colombians vote for policies like these in their home countries – there’s no reason why some of them won’t vote for them here.

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  57. Here’s what Republicans need to do in Texas: While they have control of the legislature, they need to (1) secede and (2) limit the franchise. There’s no other way to save the State.

    Of course, this won’t happen.

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  58. Drudge today is featuring a number of stories on the ever-continuing alien invasion from latin america. And also a story about how Paulo Ryan now thinks it is the time for a renewed push for amnesty.

    This is your party.

    The minority outreach by the GOP is either a.) a stupid and fruitless attempt to induce blacks and hispanics to vote for them, or b.) a fruitless and stupid attempt to impress white women with how nice the GOP is, so as to get thier votes. In either case, it does not bode well. A conservative party that panders to women will soon no longer be a conservative party, just the same as if it had pandered to blacks.

    I don’t know what to tell you. I am in agreement with many others here that this nation is already f**ked, and it doesn’t much matter whom you vote for. The Republicans are paid-up stooges of all the various wealthy interests that pull their strings, same as the Democrats. The only thing we could really do is withhold our votes and let them wither and die as a party. Of course, that would leave the Democrats as one-party hegemons.

    If you do know some local party officials, try to figure out a way to spread this message: that the GOP needs to become the party of white people, needs to identify with white interests only, or it will have no future.

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  59. My advice to the Republican Party is tighten their message to appeal to net contributors to the public fisc, and abandon pipedreams of appealing to the “gibsmedat” faction of the electorate. The key is to split the electorate into three parties (e.g. the Democrats, Republicans and La Raza) , each strong enough so that a Presidential candidate cannot get elected with a majority of electoral college votes. The election then goes to the House, who votes for President from the top three candidates, with a single vote per state delegation. So California and Alaska have the same single vote. As long as the Republican Party can control 26 state delegations in the House, they own the Presidency.

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  60. The outreach fetishists are a scourge. At best they want to hold liberals’ hands to help them feel better about identifying with Republicans. At worst they adopt liberal views to show liberals they’ve been conservatives all along.

    There’s less liberalism in the Texas GOP than in other states. They took a “hardline” stance against state-licensed sodomy and alien invasion.

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  61. Actually, I think that whites will become much more tribal down the line, but only after we lose our working class and see the hordes lapping up on our middle and upper-middle class shores. We’ll see. For now, I simply try to do the best for my family because they are my people now.

    The US white working class is becoming Hispanicized and Africanized, both genetically and culturally.

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  62. Imagine if conservatives had rallied around Pat Buchanan in 1992 or 1996 and hadn’t been seduced by the Gingrich/Dubya shysters and their phony issues and distractions. Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky, Iraq, Benghazi etc. Conservatives will chase any shiny bauble that the man throws.

    Imagine if an FN or even UKIP style party had been growing and putting down roots since the 1992 GOP crackup. UKIP was considered a joke until this past year. But back in 1994 some Tories who objected not just to the EU, but the “globalization” agenda in general put their foot down and started building. It took 20 years for the breakthrough. The FN split and lost much of it’s voters in the late 90′s. They didn’t give up. Now they are one crisis away from power and will probably eclipse the establishment right in the next few years.

    Conservatives, especially Southerners, overwhelmingly chose to support globalism and NWO type establishment candidates and ignored the importance of immigration. They embraced neoconism like their lives depended on it. They foamed at the mouth with rage at those who pointed out the folly of the Iraq war. They pined for rapture and tried to ban Darwin from public schools. They stopped amnesty, but amazingly, didn’t throw out the people like McCain and Graham who lead the push for amnesty.

    At this point in 2014, it’s way too late to save America before the apocalypse comes. Conservatives ARE waking up now, but it is moving at a glacial pace, way too slowly to stop the demographic apocalypse, further economic ruin and a PC police state from happening.

    Syria is our future.

    The good news is that white people will survive in other places even if America as we know it is doomed. Unless there is some rapid, sweeping move towards militant white nationalism, not just opposition amnesty, but the full pro-white agenda and awareness of how white interests are affected by every issue, I don’t see how things can be turned around before the electorate goes third world.

    The white birth rate has plummeted since the depression started. Whites are now shrinking in absolute numbers or will be very soon. We will likely see a Supreme Court that ends the right to bear arms and free speech after a couple more Democratic presidents. As Steve keeps warning, as whites dwindle in numbers and power, anti-white hate will grow, not lessen.

    Hope neocon foreign policy and free trade was worth it. Hell of job, conservatives, hell of job.

    BTW, James Goldsmith’s “The Trap” has been forgotten, but it provided an uncannily accurate prediction of how globalism would wreck the economies of Western countries. Followers of Goldsmith founded UKIP.

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    @Pincher Martin: But the real problem for Republicans is not Reagan – a man who had no problem appealing to young voters – but George W. Bush.

    True, but Reagan failed conservatives and the country big-time w/ amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1986. It was a good time, however, for defense contractors.

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    “And they’re only 12% of the US population.”

    They may be 12% of the population but that’s like 40 million of them. In some cities they are like 80% of the population.

    “Blacks still vote 90% Democrat. In our local elections, it’s basically 100%.”

    “Aside from Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Condoleeza Rice, Alan Keyes, Michael Steele, Herman Cain, Larry Elder, Jennifer Carroll, Mia Love, Ward Connerly, and Clarence Thomas, Blacks vote 100% democrat.”

    Sometimes I wonder who those really voted for in the last two presidential elections.
    I suspect the great Repuke Colin Powell voted Democrat and maybe Rice did also.

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  65. The one significant positive a Republican Congress and, in particular, a Republican President can deliver, and have delivered, are conservative Supreme Court Justices. Aside from GHWB’s selection of Souter, they’ve all been solid.

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  66. @Svigor: Black Christianity is barely Christian.

    Black Christianity is more about “black liberation,” “black empowerment,” and anti-White people.

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  67. “The first one is, are you actually smart? I mean intelligent. Do you know any Hayseeds? Any at all? Know any Evangelicals? Know anyone actually who is religious and lives their lives in accordance with a religion’s teachings?”

    I’m a former Evangelical, raised in an Evangelical family. My grandfather was Pentecostal minister. My family and my church took it all very seriously, tithed, sent missionaries, prosthelytized, opposed any kind of theological liberalism, opposed women in pulpit etc. These people are morons, even the ones who are engineers and scientists. There is no nice way to put it.

    Their political behavior and the whole way they think about the world are naive to to the point of absurdity.

    Evangelicals are the foot soldiers for the NWO. They are the people who fanatically supported Dubya, who fanatical support neocon policies, taking away our civil liberties and privacy and tacitly support globalization, big business and big finance. These are the people who will be torturing you when the thought police arrest you for posting on iSteve.

    Look at a guy like Pat Robertson. He wrote a book back in the early 90′s that might as well have been written by David Duke, but then he spent the next 20 years supporting all the people in the GOP who are most in favor of all the things he complained about in that book. How do you explain that kind of behavior? I can’t after living my whole life around these people. They know a lot of the facts but somehow convince themselves that their worst enemies are their best friends. At the same time, they hate and shun people like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul that you would think would be their natural allies.

    Evangelical culture encourages emotionalism over reason. It encourage blind obedience to authority. It discourages any kind of identitarian or communitarian tendencies. It tries to build a false, inorganic community around universalist doctrines. Worst of all, Evangelical style Christianity is very bad at actually causing good moral behavior among it’s own followers, as a cursory examination of statistics about these folks will show. Amish and Hasidic Jews are examples of more functional religious conservative groups that enforce rules, understand that they are a tribe apart and build strong, durable communities.

    The good news is that pro-NWO type Evangelicalism is weakening now. Younger Evangelicals are increasingly rejecting Christian-Zionism, dispensationalism and even creationism. I see this trend in my own family.

    The Southern Baptists are losing members, they support amnesty for illegal now too.

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  68. I think most people want a reason to just give up.

    Getting involved, doing stuff: hard.

    Being negative, complaining and doing nothing else: easy-peasy.

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  69. “Everyone makes this too hard. Blacks and Hispanics want welfare benefits, handouts, gibsmedat. The party that can deliver/promise/imply the most government goodies is the party that will win almost 100% of the black vote and 60-80% of the Hispanic vote, consistently.
    ” – And personally for the reader, the best thing he can do is simply make the case that outreach will not work until they assimilate and join the middle class(IE never but there is no real point in bringing that up). So policies that promote that, such as immigration restriction, should continue to be implemented. The people talking this up are simply trying to shield themselves from being called racists, emphasis on trying, so they aren’t going to stop because it isn’t about winning votes.

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    I’m surprised how most people here actually think voting matters. When was the last time we had any real choice on immigration, foreign policy, free trade, or anything else of any importance? At what point is it safe to conclude that America is not actually a democracy in any meaningful sense and that the elections are just meaningless diversions?

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  71. “””””””””””””””””You’ve been at this longer than I. Is it worth it to wrangle with the GOP leadership? Or is the GOP going off the cliff wearing a blindfold, no mater what its members do?””””””””””””””””

    If we look at recent history as a reliable guide, then the answer is probably not. So, why not make TX the first state to start a new 3rd party along the lines of a Reform Party? Start to run and field candidates at the local and statewide elections. In the long run, it won’t hurt and you’ve got to start somewhere, sometime. Life isn’t all bowls of cherries. The two major parties have been in existence for well over 150plus yrs. so you can’t compare results to those guys.

    You’ve got to start. If Le Pen’s National Front and UKIP could do it in a fairly short time of 20pls years then there’s a viable model to follow at the local levels but the key is to start. Otherwise, all we’re really doing in crying and complaining about blah blah yada yada etc as we’ve been doing for the last several decades. Nothing ever changes and both parties continue to ignore our interests.

    But start. TX is an ideal place. It would take a fairly charismatic leader but one who would be in it for the long term: To see a viable third party in TX, in the South, and then ultimately in the US. But it will take time and it has to come organically, from the local levels.

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  72. I don’t see the problem with giving the Democrats a one-party hegemony. They would then have control, yes. They would also have complete responsibility. At the moment, our society’s political activity is concentrated in two parties and various unimportant hangers-on. Each party uses the existence of the other as an excuse and a threat to motivate its partisans to maintain their allegiance.

    When the Republican Party collapses, if the Democrats seize control, they will lack an external threat to maintain cohesion. They will lack scapegoats to explain away their failures to give their followers what they want. It’ll be all on their plate.

    Perhaps we can forge a working system of loose alliances between small groups, something like in European politics, once the two cyclopean parties collapse. I wouldn’t bet on it, though. I think we’re going down permanently.

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  73. White Hispanic is on the right track–we are the Republican Party if we want to be. Frankly any third party lacks the organizational and historical prowess to have success in the current American political system, thus a political movement must become mainstream within at least one political party if it is to have an effect.

    Regarding voting, my advice is to vote for the good (or at least tolerable) Republican candidates (Sessions, Hunter, Rohrabacher, Huelskamp) if they are in your state or district and vote against the treasonous Republicans (Boehner, Ryan, Cantor) with party influence. These men have done more to harm and undermine the future of traditional America than their Democrat opponents ever could because they make it tougher for a unified anti-immigration party to actualize.

    We need to be single issue voters on this. Much like the Democrats purged (or attempted to) Joe Lieberman over Iraq, the base needs to ignore pleasant-sounding economic and social conservatism from immigration-liberals in the GOP and purge the party of such scoundrels. Let us fight over same-sex “marriage” and tax rates after we’re white again.

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  74. “I don’t see the problem with giving the Democrats a one-party hegemony. They would then have control, yes. They would also have complete responsibility. At the moment, our society’s political activity is concentrated in two parties and various unimportant hangers-on. Each party uses the existence of the other as an excuse and a threat to motivate its partisans to maintain their allegiance.”

    This line of thinking has been dismantled by the recent events of Obama opening the gates for thousands of illegal teenagers/future Democrats/future welfare leeches. Even Bush at his worst would never contemplate such a thing.

    Furthermore, there will never be Democrat, or Republican hegemony; even if we wake up in ten years and everything the liberals want they get–universal health care, universal same-sex “marriage,” open-borders, communist tax rates, speech codes, etc.–the opposite party will just shift its views to get the other half of the electorate less insane. The thing to do is fight them now, not hope that things will magically get better by getting worse first.

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  75. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    A vote for the Republican Party is a vote for rapidly reducing The Historic Native Born White American Majority to a violently persecuted racial minority in post-white overpopulated cesspool “America”. What else is there to say? You can’t policy-wonk-clever-voting strategies your way out of this. So the only other option is full-blown revolt…and this requires burying the corpse of the Republican Party. Don’t vote for the rotting…stinking..repellant corpse of the Republican Party.

    Voting for The Republican Party is worse and not better. And yes..a much much stronger signal is needed…a much greater level of pain to provoke a Native Born White American Revolt against the open and deliberate Democratic Party policy of racial dispossession.

    You are gonna hate every minute of being a White racial minority in post-white “America”…don’t pretend that you won’t. A majority of Native Born White Americans are gonna hate it. They have yet to contemplate what they are gonna to have to give up for being a racial minority in post-white “America”. Just wait when the cognitive dissonance stage is over and the betrayal is experienced full-blown. Go read Trivers book on the biology of betrayal.

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  76. ATBOTL,

    You are absolutely right Bout evangelicals. Speaking as a libertarian Protestant who supported Buchanan and Ron Paul and have not liked anyone else, you really nailed it.

    The evangelicals are ridiculous – especially in the South. One would think that Paul and Buchanan would have done well there, but instead the south voted in droves for clowns like Romney and newt – one guy with three wives and the other who bragged about being pro abortion.

    Honestly the white evangelicals are pretty much brainwashed and vote in a similar retarded fashion as the blacks. Evangelicals supposedly care about morality, yet they loved newt. They hate abortion, yet loved Romney. I still remember one of the foxnews debates of 2011 when the South Carolina evangelicals actually booed Ron Paul for advocating the Golden Rule! The irony was too much.

    Buchanan and Paul both are privately very moral people and have stayed with their wife their whole life – and have never supported abortion. Yet they were overwhelmingly rejected by southern evangelicals for coke heads like bush.

    White evangelical voters are just as moronic as black dem voters. Laurence Vance writes about this quite a bit at lewrockwell.com’s blog section. Some of the videos and pictures he has posted of the church worshipping military members is beyond parody. One mega church had people rope in from the multi story ceiling while the band played patriot songs and the members roared with applause for the military they now worship.

    I am saying this all as a southern Christian who strongly supported Paul and Buchanan, so it is especially embarassing to me!

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  77. “The one significant positive a Republican Congress and, in particular, a Republican President can deliver, and have delivered, are conservative Supreme Court Justices.”

    You really believe this? After Roberts gave us Obamacare? And Scalia has been strengthening the police state for his whole career (which powers will be used against us for thought crimes in the not so distant future?)?

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  78. Dirk-String and ATBOTL

    Uh exactly who are your people then? I mean really? Who exactly do you like? Whose interests do you have in mind? Just from the sound of things it has to be a pretty small constituency.

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  79. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Republicans have been playing small ball while the Left has kept its eyes trained on the Long Game: population replacement. The Europeans showed the way and the U.S. is rapidly catching up. As the White ratio sinks so do Republican/conservative/libertarian hopes. And there is no implied racism in this calculation. It’s the nature of the incoming flood; under-educated, needy, herd-oriented and susceptible to demagoguery. Bolivian peasant, Si! Russian computer programmer, Nyet! In sum perfect clients for welfare sate and expanded government in general which is what is the Left is fundamentally all about.

    Then there’s America’s educational system…

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  80. You know, I’m one of those youngish, white, white-collar dudes and I actively vote against the GOP. Why? Because I like bike lanes, and since Republicans hate hate hate bike lanes, that makes the biggest difference in my life. Both the GOP and the Dems will vote for amnesty but at least the Dems will allow me to get to work without spending $100+ a month in gas.

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  81. “E. Rekshun says:
    June 10, 2014 at 11:39 am

    The one significant positive a Republican Congress and, in particular, a Republican President can deliver, and have delivered, are conservative Supreme Court Justices. Aside from GHWB’s selection of Souter, they’ve all been solid.”

    What? John Roberts is “solid”? The man who tipped Obama Care over the net?

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  82. “jacobus says:
    June 11, 2014 at 12:15 am

    You know, I’m one of those youngish, white, white-collar dudes and I actively vote against the GOP. Why? Because I like bike lanes, and since Republicans hate hate hate bike lanes, that makes the biggest difference in my life. Both the GOP and the Dems will vote for amnesty but at least the Dems will allow me to get to work without spending $100+ a month in gas.”

    Since when did bicyclists all become stupid jackasses?

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  83. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Been ‘awakening’ a neighbor — he has been Repub. for his whole life. His focus is on the economic destruction: he says this country is charging at 100 mph toward a wall and no one is even looking for the brakes, much less applying them. WHY, he asks, can’t people see the coming financial disaster(s) and turn towards/vote the Right?

    I (waaaay out on the far reactionary Right) point out that as long as the RNC picks completely unacceptable candidates — and is always being drawn off into social issues that really-and-truly do not matter! — non-religious people on the right (and any undecideds) will discard the RNC. I do not see much difference (in end-goals) between the American Religious Right and “our” muslim invaders — they BOTH want to control the social aspects for their own purposes and neither, it seems, gives an actual damn about fiscal destruction!

    And dammnit! The folks on the Right, the (real, not neo-)conservatives, even the majority of race realists, it seems, are soooooo easily distracted by idiot social “concerns”! Immigration (or handouts and legal-’passes’ to violent and destructive blacks) should be first-and-foremost to focus on/stop … but, to paraphrase the movie “Up”: a shout of, not “Squirrel!” but “Gays marrying!” sends them into frothing hysteria and all else is forgotten. (Even abortion, the two sides on which cannot ever be reconciled, must take a back seat to saving this country, if we are to survive!)

    When there is massive bleeding (examples: legal and illegal immigration or out-of-control black bastardy on our dime) and also a smoldering bit of cultural disarray (gay’s marrying, religion being blocked out of public schools, the ‘war on xmas’) — triage says: stop the bleeding and ignore the minor injuries… Save the life and only then look to the social and cultural injuries!

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