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A More Relevant Euphemism for "Illegal Alien"

From the New York Times:

Illegal, Undocumented, Unauthorized: The Terms of Immigration Reporting
By STEPHEN HILTNER MARCH 10, 2017

“Illegal immigrant.” “Unauthorized immigrant.” “Undocumented immigrant.” “Illegal alien.” “Migrant.” “Noncitizen.”

All of these terms, and some others, have been used in The New York Times to describe a person who has entered, lived in or worked in the United States without proper authorization — and each has been met with criticism.

Why not just use the term most relevant to the continued financial success of the New York Times: “A customer of Carlos Slim”?

 
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    That Rawls quote you’ve got up on your twitter feed is very similar to Moldbug’s argument for neocameralism.

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    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    The Handmaid's Tale is a poor man's dystopian novel, but has such a compelling premise that I understand why its fame and acclaim have endured, and am irritated by the way feminists co-opted it to serve their own messages. The novel is more complex than that, and Atwood's essay is well worth a read. It belies its title until the last paragraph, which has the usual paranoid and ominous overtones concerning Trump's election. Even then, Atwood digs into extremism of all stripes.

    Commenting on the novel's plot of a tyrranical autocracy, Atwood writes, The regime uses biblical symbols, as any authoritarian regime taking over America doubtless would: They wouldn’t be Communists or Muslims.

    Yet earlier in the essay, she admits Having been born in 1939 and come to consciousness during World War II, I knew that established orders could vanish overnight. Change could also be as fast as lightning. “It can’t happen here” could not be depended on: Anything could happen anywhere, given the circumstances.

    She may have written a richer essay that the NYT smoothed over to be more "on-message" in the editing.
  3. Each met with criticism? The NYT has an anti-American agenda. Their program to replace Americans with a new people hinges on illegal immigration. Stealing the birthright and patrimony of a people inevitably engenders criticism. Imagine that!

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    They meant, Charles, that all of those 6 terms for "illegal alien" engender criticism. True dat, but the first one, "illegal alien" is the correct one just based on it's use in legal terminology, and specifically the terms that the border patrol, immigration offices, etc. would use. Who's been criticizing that term, you ask? The NY Times has. So, it's, like, all true, what they wrote.

    It' just like: "Our pie graphs displayed on our website that relate to any racial or ethnic classifications have been criticized by, cough, cough, us at the NY Times, cough, in the past for having color schemes that reflect stereotypes, say black people with black pie slices, brown people Hispanics with brown, call it pecan-colored, pie slices, yellow-skin-colored people Orientals with lemon-colored pie slices, the Irish leprechans with key lime creme de mint pie slices, Cuban commies and New Yorkers with cherry-colored slices, etc.. Our more recent schemes, in which we randomize the colors* on the pies **, has been also roundly criticized by some conservative pundits strongmen for forcing our readers to incessantly glance back and forth at the legend to see who the hell's whom? "

    "See, we can't win with you people, so we'll just leave it the stupid way, and SHF Up about it. Also, we will endeavor to be consistent in calling the illegal aliens, Breaking&Entering (Allegedly) Non-prosecuted, Erstwhile Rape Suspects, BEANERS for short. Please quit criticizing stuff we write, we're down to mostly Chinese readers now, apparently, and they are not so sensitive about glammer and sperring."

    "We don't need all you readers anyway! We've got Sailer, that other two-initialed guy on unz, and 129 million Chinamen ("and women") and women, and screw all of them, Mr. Slim's gonna pay us anyway! Readers, psssshaaawww!"


    * "Such as our reversal of the Blue/Red election map scheme so that viewers would not stereotype left-wing Democrats as, you know, commies or something."

    ** This whole thing is making me hungry. Who's up for pie?
  4. “Deep State”, “race”, “illegal immigrant”, “radical Islam”, “Fake News”: it really is amazing how much energy our elite expends arguing that the words people use are the wrong sort of words.

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    • Replies: @Jacobite
    The Washington Post even goes so far as to edit its own archives for political correctness.

    http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia.html
    , @guest
    Not amazing. That's the Enlightenment way. Gotta crush the infamy of superstition. Which means analyzing everything rationally. We decide what to do based on what's rational, supposedly. Rationality is expressed in words (and numbers, plus other symbols, but let's keep this simple). He who controls words controls how people think, and so controls the enlightened world.

    Thus Narrative Clash. Narratives determine how people view the world, and hence how they the ink the world should be run. Narratives are built on words. Who controls words controls the Narrative, controls the world.

  5. Yesterday was the first time I ever heard someone say. Carlos Slim’s name allowed. All this time I have only known him by reading about him.

    It’s pronounced s-LEEM. Or rather close to Salim.

    Was Carlos slim Carlos Salim in the very recent past? Huh. Funny that.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Maybe it's sLEEM as in "Badges? Weee don't neeeed no stiiinking badges!"

    Carlos Sliiiiim

    * note: aloud, not allowed
    , @Alden
    Slim is Arab ethnicity. Lots of Arabs immigrated to Mexico over the years.
    , @Paco Wové
    From his Wikipedia article, at least until the history-rewriters get ahold of it:

    Slim was born on January 28, 1940, in Mexico City,[10] to Julián Slim Haddad (born Khalil Salim Haddad Aglamaz) and Linda Helú Atta, both Maronite Catholics of Lebanese descent.
  6. “Illegal immigrant.” “Unauthorized immigrant.” “Undocumented immigrant.” “Illegal alien.” “Migrant.” “Noncitizen.”

    My favorite: illegal alien.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Illegal alien is an official term used by ICE and CBP, as well as many laws and court decisions (including by Thurgood Marshell, noted right winger). The other term is unauthorized alien.

    Unlawful or unauthorized alien might be the most precise term, since there are a few catagories of "illegals" who never broke any laws, most notably those who entered or overstayed as minors in the custody of others. Another group would be those who entered legally but who were never properly informed they needed to leave and never sought to evade notice.

    In both cases they are deportable without having even commited a civil offense.

    Using the term immigrant rather than alien is not accurate since many of them will be deported and thus never immigrate anywhere, nor does it include those who intend to work for a few months or years and then leave the USA.

    Undocumented is the worst, since a majority of illegals have their own identity documents and are known to the US government.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Foreign Trespasser.

    It says what they are and what they’re doing (knowingly or not).
  7. @candid_observer
    "Deep State", "race", "illegal immigrant", "radical Islam", "Fake News": it really is amazing how much energy our elite expends arguing that the words people use are the wrong sort of words.

    The Washington Post even goes so far as to edit its own archives for political correctness.

    http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia.html

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  8. Heroes, that’s what they are. Brave adventurers who are more American than anybody actually born here.

    No, but for real, aren’t we past such archaic distinctions? Natural born citizen, legal immigrant, the undocumented? We should never talk about such things ever again. Offenders’ penalties shall include career destruction and possible imprisonment.

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  9. Foreigners who overstay their visas outnumber those who cross the border illegally
    The report from the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) in New York says that since 2007 a majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States are the result of visa overstays, not illegal border crossers.

    “The paper finds that two-thirds of those who arrived in 2014 were admitted (after screening) to the United States on non-immigrant (temporary) visas, and then overstayed their period of admission or otherwise violated the terms of their visas — a trend likely to continue,” according to a CMS statement.

    The most recent case in Miami court records starkly illustrates the issue.

    It began on Jan. 28 when Uruguayan traveler María de los Ángeles Moreira García arrived at Miami International Airport on an American Airlines flight from Montevideo.

    “The defendant presented a Uruguayan passport and a U.S. visa to Customs and Border Protection for an examination and entry into the United States,” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant was referred to secondary inspection for admissibility verification.”

    During an interrogation, CBP officials discovered that although Moreira García’s passport and visa were genuine, the visa had been obtained fraudulently, according to the complaint.

    “The application for a non-immigrant visa asks: ‘Have you ever been in the United States?’ and ‘Have you ever been issued a U.S. visa?’” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant answered ‘no’ to both questions on her visa application.”

    But what the Uruguayan said in the application was untrue, the complaint says, because immigration records showed she had previously obtained a visa in 2003, entered the United States and received authorization to stay for six months — but did not leave for eight years.

    Court records show that Moreira García pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served last week. But Moreira García’s lawyer, Mauricio Padilla, said he was satisfied with the judgment, but that his client was put on a plane home soon after the sentencing.

    http://hrld.us/2mwlqao

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    There's a problem with State that could be fixed with technology and oversight, but the officials aren't interested. State needs to be gutted.
    , @Laugh Track

    But what the Uruguayan said in the application was untrue, the complaint says, because immigration records showed she had previously obtained a visa in 2003, entered the United States and received authorization to stay for six months — but did not leave for eight years.

    Court records show that Moreira García pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served last week. But Moreira García’s lawyer, Mauricio Padilla, said he was satisfied with the judgment, but that his client was put on a plane home soon after the sentencing.
     
    Well, boo hoo. If I was in another country on a visa that expired and I stayed on for years, I'd 1) damn well be aware that I was there illegally and breaking the law and 2) expect to be deported if caught. I certainly wouldn't expect the locals to rise up in protest that I was a poor persecuted immigrant and deserved sanctuary.
  10. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In this age of Fake News, just call them Fake Americans, or Fakemericans.

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    This is a classic. I recall not liking it the first time but having seen a several times in past few yrs, this is one-of-a-kind 'shaggy man' movie.

    Lots of great moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInDURsyHrM

  12. @candid_observer
    "Deep State", "race", "illegal immigrant", "radical Islam", "Fake News": it really is amazing how much energy our elite expends arguing that the words people use are the wrong sort of words.

    Not amazing. That’s the Enlightenment way. Gotta crush the infamy of superstition. Which means analyzing everything rationally. We decide what to do based on what’s rational, supposedly. Rationality is expressed in words (and numbers, plus other symbols, but let’s keep this simple). He who controls words controls how people think, and so controls the enlightened world.

    Thus Narrative Clash. Narratives determine how people view the world, and hence how they the ink the world should be run. Narratives are built on words. Who controls words controls the Narrative, controls the world.

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    These days everyone knows what you mean when you just say “illegal”.

    Of course, ACCS has it’s own charm.

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  14. If illegal alien won’t do for Carlos’s paper, I have a few suggestions:

    Trespasser.

    Scab laborer.

    Invader.

    Antiwhitebody.

    Shabbos displacer.

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  15. Illegal, Undocumented, Unauthorized: The Terms of Immigration Reporting
    By STEPHEN HILTNER MARCH 10, 2017

    Stephen Who? Holy Kek! The New York Times has a reporter who is literally HILTNER?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The New York Times has a reporter who is literally HILTNER?
     
    Good catch. We're one typo away from Nazis running the Lying Press. Shouldn't this guy be literally-Goebbels, though?
  16. @syonredux

    “Illegal immigrant.” “Unauthorized immigrant.” “Undocumented immigrant.” “Illegal alien.” “Migrant.” “Noncitizen.”
     
    My favorite: illegal alien.

    Illegal alien is an official term used by ICE and CBP, as well as many laws and court decisions (including by Thurgood Marshell, noted right winger). The other term is unauthorized alien.

    Unlawful or unauthorized alien might be the most precise term, since there are a few catagories of “illegals” who never broke any laws, most notably those who entered or overstayed as minors in the custody of others. Another group would be those who entered legally but who were never properly informed they needed to leave and never sought to evade notice.

    In both cases they are deportable without having even commited a civil offense.

    Using the term immigrant rather than alien is not accurate since many of them will be deported and thus never immigrate anywhere, nor does it include those who intend to work for a few months or years and then leave the USA.

    Undocumented is the worst, since a majority of illegals have their own identity documents and are known to the US government.

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    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Thank you, Lot, for your careful and considered response. I hope you also forwarded it to the NYT; they need all the help they can get.
  17. And doesn’t America ache for more of them?

    “I am Paulette Vincent-Ruz, and in no particular order, I am racially mestiza and ethnically latinx. I identify as a person of color. I am a cis-heterosexual woman. I suffer from a chronic disease in the thyroid which in turn makes me chronically depressed and also I have anxiety. I am an immigrant and English is my second language. I have a Mexican accent when I speak English. I am on a F1-Student temporal visa. I am also a data and social scientist…”

    (Blah blah … I was disrespected by a white woman …)

    “Sure, you can pretend identity politics shouldn’t affect our job as scientists…..Because you are currently not having to deal with the fact that maybe you will be stuck in this country for 3 more years before you can see your family again.

    “You know because I cannot travel home and risk that a Mexican ban gets drafted while I am on a plane.”

    https://biomolbioandco.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/why-i-wont-go-to-the-sciencemarch/

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  18. @syonredux

    “Illegal immigrant.” “Unauthorized immigrant.” “Undocumented immigrant.” “Illegal alien.” “Migrant.” “Noncitizen.”
     
    My favorite: illegal alien.

    Foreign Trespasser.

    It says what they are and what they’re doing (knowingly or not).

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  19. My problem with all those terms is that they are not pejorative enough. None imply harm to the USA. Yes, “illegal” means against the law, but opposition to illegal aliens is not based just on them being illegal. It is that they are foreign invaders who will collectively do harm to the nation.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You are looking for the word I use:

    Invader.
    , @AndrewR
    Unlike your ancestors, of course.
  20. All of these terms, and some others, have been used in The New York Time…— and each has been met with criticism.

    Is the implication that the Old Grey Nightmare is saying she oughtn’t be criticized?

    Or perhaps has Age Transitioned into a 400-lb young Special Snowflake triggered by criticism?

    Or is she bitching about political correctness making it hard to write state propaganda? (BWHAHAHA factor: 5,000)

    Or is there some desperate attempt on the part of Mr. Salim to dogwhistle that if enough readers come back to the NYT, they’ll call everything whatever the readers want, to keep them happy, now would you all PLEASE click through all 700 adbot-connected images in the clickbait photo/video gallery du jour.

    Today: baby ducks doing the things they do so adorably!

    Tomorrow: video clips from the livestream of people screaming “TRUMP IS HITLER” into the new NYT art installation cam at the Museum of The Moving Image.

    Major annual support provided by:
    Ford Foundation, Institute of Museum and Library Services, George S. Kaufman, New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, Stavros Niarchos Foundation, Pannonia Foundation, SAG-AFTRA Motion Picture Players Welfare Fund, Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Herbert S. Schlosser, SAG-AFTRA Foundation, Time Warner Inc, Anonymous.

    Additional annual support provided by:
    AMC Networks, Bank of America, Michael Barker, Charter Communications, David and Denise Chase,Con Edison, Marc Haas Foundation, Ficalora Family Foundation, William Fox, Jr. Foundation, Friskies, HBO, The Hollywood Foreign Press Association, Hubbard Broadcasting Foundation, International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, JABberwocky Literary Agency, Linda LeRoy Janklow, Ivan and Andrea Lustig, John T. McGuire, New York State Council on the Arts, Michael and Gabrielle Palitz, Paramount Pictures Corporation, The Pinkerton Foundation, Dick and Susan Saint James Ebersol, Henry and Peggy Schleiff Family Foundation, Taipei Economic and Cultural Office, Taffner Family Charitable Trust, Ronald and Judith Targan, Time Warner Cable, Andrew H. and Ann R. Tisch Foundation, Jeff Zucker.

    http://www.movingimage.us/support/supporters

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    • Replies: @bored identity
    It's not easy to starve the beast with so many rejunevating tentacles.

    But, B-League players such as Taipei Economic and Cultural Office...really?!

    At least Trump can make that phone call this weekend, and make some Mi So Dam ROC deputy ministar got fired for the total lack of judgment:

    " So you expect me,The Hitler to save your sorry a$s $hitty island from Chaijna?"
  21. And walls don’t work.

    Yet, Mexixo’s Not Their Best somehow have a slim chance to make it from the left to the right of this photograph:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/10/17/3E23655000000578-0-In_Mexico_ramshackle_slums_left_sit_shoulder_to_shoulder_with_th-m-186_1489165855878.jpg

    Same goes with a rest of Thirdwordling Huddled Hoodlers that will eventually end up pursuing their happiness in your backyard :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4302236/Slums-stacked-mansions-skyscrapers.html

    TRUMP 2020!

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    • Replies: @Anon7
    Remarkable photos from the Daily Mail showing luxury next to extreme poverty around the world. Thanks for posting.
  22. @Roger
    My problem with all those terms is that they are not pejorative enough. None imply harm to the USA. Yes, "illegal" means against the law, but opposition to illegal aliens is not based just on them being illegal. It is that they are foreign invaders who will collectively do harm to the nation.

    You are looking for the word I use:

    Invader.

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  23. What’s wrong with Netanyahu’s “illegal infiltrator”? And he calls the areas they live in “occupied” (he obviously doesn’t do irony, or is that major trolling?).

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4013315,00.html

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that “infiltrators had occupied Eilat and Arad and are occupying Tel Aviv from south to north.”

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  24. @Roger
    My problem with all those terms is that they are not pejorative enough. None imply harm to the USA. Yes, "illegal" means against the law, but opposition to illegal aliens is not based just on them being illegal. It is that they are foreign invaders who will collectively do harm to the nation.

    Unlike your ancestors, of course.

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  25. How about Oppressed Kindred Spirits Who Should Have the Opportunity to Express Their Opinions and Yearnings to be Free by Participating in the American System at Americans’ Expense Since They Clearly Have No Similar Opportunities in Their Home Countries and Asking Them to Improve Their Home Countries Would Clearly be Asking Too Much?

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  26. @Lot
    Illegal alien is an official term used by ICE and CBP, as well as many laws and court decisions (including by Thurgood Marshell, noted right winger). The other term is unauthorized alien.

    Unlawful or unauthorized alien might be the most precise term, since there are a few catagories of "illegals" who never broke any laws, most notably those who entered or overstayed as minors in the custody of others. Another group would be those who entered legally but who were never properly informed they needed to leave and never sought to evade notice.

    In both cases they are deportable without having even commited a civil offense.

    Using the term immigrant rather than alien is not accurate since many of them will be deported and thus never immigrate anywhere, nor does it include those who intend to work for a few months or years and then leave the USA.

    Undocumented is the worst, since a majority of illegals have their own identity documents and are known to the US government.

    Thank you, Lot, for your careful and considered response. I hope you also forwarded it to the NYT; they need all the help they can get.

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  27. I post on westeros.org (a fansite for George RR Martins a Song of ICe and Fire series) and the forum does not allow the term illegal immigrant.

    That would be a good start to criminilze that word in the englush language

    NO ONE IS ILLEGAL

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  28. @Alice
    Yesterday was the first time I ever heard someone say. Carlos Slim's name allowed. All this time I have only known him by reading about him.

    It's pronounced s-LEEM. Or rather close to Salim.

    Was Carlos slim Carlos Salim in the very recent past? Huh. Funny that.

    Maybe it’s sLEEM as in “Badges? Weee don’t neeeed no stiiinking badges!”

    Carlos Sliiiiim

    * note: aloud, not allowed

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  29. @Clyde
    Foreigners who overstay their visas outnumber those who cross the border illegally
    The report from the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) in New York says that since 2007 a majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States are the result of visa overstays, not illegal border crossers.

    “The paper finds that two-thirds of those who arrived in 2014 were admitted (after screening) to the United States on non-immigrant (temporary) visas, and then overstayed their period of admission or otherwise violated the terms of their visas — a trend likely to continue,” according to a CMS statement.

    The most recent case in Miami court records starkly illustrates the issue.

    It began on Jan. 28 when Uruguayan traveler María de los Ángeles Moreira García arrived at Miami International Airport on an American Airlines flight from Montevideo.

    “The defendant presented a Uruguayan passport and a U.S. visa to Customs and Border Protection for an examination and entry into the United States,” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant was referred to secondary inspection for admissibility verification.”

    During an interrogation, CBP officials discovered that although Moreira García’s passport and visa were genuine, the visa had been obtained fraudulently, according to the complaint.

    “The application for a non-immigrant visa asks: ‘Have you ever been in the United States?’ and ‘Have you ever been issued a U.S. visa?’” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant answered ‘no’ to both questions on her visa application.”

    But what the Uruguayan said in the application was untrue, the complaint says, because immigration records showed she had previously obtained a visa in 2003, entered the United States and received authorization to stay for six months — but did not leave for eight years.

    Court records show that Moreira García pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served last week. But Moreira García’s lawyer, Mauricio Padilla, said he was satisfied with the judgment, but that his client was put on a plane home soon after the sentencing.
    http://hrld.us/2mwlqao

    There’s a problem with State that could be fixed with technology and oversight, but the officials aren’t interested. State needs to be gutted.

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  30. MSM’s way of dealing with this question is to use the term “Immigrants” when they have illegal aliens in mind. Which is dishonest because a green card holder is also an immigrant. Heck, a foreign-born but naturalized US citizen is still an immigrant!

    Here are some typical headlines I just collected from Google News:

    “TRUMP DUMPS DUE PROCESS TO TARGET ANY AND ALL IMMIGRANTS”
    “Fearful immigrants are offered anti-deportation training”
    “Toledo area immigrants, exiles feeling unsettled in Trump era”
    “This Agency Created a ‘Panic Button’ to Help Immigrants”
    “Bridgeport immigrants learn to evade ICE”
    “Advocates Educate Immigrants on Raids, Travel Ban”
    “Workshop aims to calm fears of immigrants”
    “Fearing deportation, Bay Area immigrants rush to make U.S.-born kids dual Mexican citizens”
    “Immigrants and their allies gather for ‘out of the shadows’ rally at State Capitol”
    “Border mystery: Where are the immigrants?”

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    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    “Fearing deportation, Bay Area immigrants rush to make U.S.-born kids dual Mexican citizens”
     
    By the way, this article says one of reasons they get Mexican citizenship for their kids is that without it the children would not be allowed to attend public schools in Mexico.

    I don't think the authors intended to show how anarchic the US immigration policy is compared to Mexico's, but they did.
  31. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I work construction management in NorCal, I’ve been using the term “Muchachomen” for years. Everyone knows what I mean.

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  32. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Each met with criticism? The NYT has an anti-American agenda. Their program to replace Americans with a new people hinges on illegal immigration. Stealing the birthright and patrimony of a people inevitably engenders criticism. Imagine that!

    They meant, Charles, that all of those 6 terms for “illegal alien” engender criticism. True dat, but the first one, “illegal alien” is the correct one just based on it’s use in legal terminology, and specifically the terms that the border patrol, immigration offices, etc. would use. Who’s been criticizing that term, you ask? The NY Times has. So, it’s, like, all true, what they wrote.

    It’ just like: “Our pie graphs displayed on our website that relate to any racial or ethnic classifications have been criticized by, cough, cough, us at the NY Times, cough, in the past for having color schemes that reflect stereotypes, say black people with black pie slices, brown people Hispanics with brown, call it pecan-colored, pie slices, yellow-skin-colored people Orientals with lemon-colored pie slices, the Irish leprechans with key lime creme de mint pie slices, Cuban commies and New Yorkers with cherry-colored slices, etc.. Our more recent schemes, in which we randomize the colors* on the pies **, has been also roundly criticized by some conservative pundits strongmen for forcing our readers to incessantly glance back and forth at the legend to see who the hell’s whom? ”

    “See, we can’t win with you people, so we’ll just leave it the stupid way, and SHF Up about it. Also, we will endeavor to be consistent in calling the illegal aliens, Breaking&Entering (Allegedly) Non-prosecuted, Erstwhile Rape Suspects, BEANERS for short. Please quit criticizing stuff we write, we’re down to mostly Chinese readers now, apparently, and they are not so sensitive about glammer and sperring.”

    “We don’t need all you readers anyway! We’ve got Sailer, that other two-initialed guy on unz, and 129 million Chinamen (“and women”) and women, and screw all of them, Mr. Slim’s gonna pay us anyway! Readers, psssshaaawww!”

    * “Such as our reversal of the Blue/Red election map scheme so that viewers would not stereotype left-wing Democrats as, you know, commies or something.”

    ** This whole thing is making me hungry. Who’s up for pie?

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    ** This whole thing is making me hungry. Who’s up for pie?
     
    Count me in!
  33. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Illegal, Undocumented, Unauthorized: The Terms of Immigration Reporting
    By STEPHEN HILTNER MARCH 10, 2017

    Stephen Who? Holy Kek! The New York Times has a reporter who is literally HILTNER?

    The New York Times has a reporter who is literally HILTNER?

    Good catch. We’re one typo away from Nazis running the Lying Press. Shouldn’t this guy be literally-Goebbels, though?

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  34. @Alice
    Yesterday was the first time I ever heard someone say. Carlos Slim's name allowed. All this time I have only known him by reading about him.

    It's pronounced s-LEEM. Or rather close to Salim.

    Was Carlos slim Carlos Salim in the very recent past? Huh. Funny that.

    Slim is Arab ethnicity. Lots of Arabs immigrated to Mexico over the years.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The full Mexican surnames of Slim's six children are Slim Gemayel. They are part of the Gemayel clan that was the single biggest newsmakers during the 1975-1990 civil war in Lebanon.
  35. @Clyde
    Foreigners who overstay their visas outnumber those who cross the border illegally
    The report from the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) in New York says that since 2007 a majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States are the result of visa overstays, not illegal border crossers.

    “The paper finds that two-thirds of those who arrived in 2014 were admitted (after screening) to the United States on non-immigrant (temporary) visas, and then overstayed their period of admission or otherwise violated the terms of their visas — a trend likely to continue,” according to a CMS statement.

    The most recent case in Miami court records starkly illustrates the issue.

    It began on Jan. 28 when Uruguayan traveler María de los Ángeles Moreira García arrived at Miami International Airport on an American Airlines flight from Montevideo.

    “The defendant presented a Uruguayan passport and a U.S. visa to Customs and Border Protection for an examination and entry into the United States,” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant was referred to secondary inspection for admissibility verification.”

    During an interrogation, CBP officials discovered that although Moreira García’s passport and visa were genuine, the visa had been obtained fraudulently, according to the complaint.

    “The application for a non-immigrant visa asks: ‘Have you ever been in the United States?’ and ‘Have you ever been issued a U.S. visa?’” the criminal complaint says. “The defendant answered ‘no’ to both questions on her visa application.”

    But what the Uruguayan said in the application was untrue, the complaint says, because immigration records showed she had previously obtained a visa in 2003, entered the United States and received authorization to stay for six months — but did not leave for eight years.

    Court records show that Moreira García pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served last week. But Moreira García’s lawyer, Mauricio Padilla, said he was satisfied with the judgment, but that his client was put on a plane home soon after the sentencing.
    http://hrld.us/2mwlqao

    But what the Uruguayan said in the application was untrue, the complaint says, because immigration records showed she had previously obtained a visa in 2003, entered the United States and received authorization to stay for six months — but did not leave for eight years.

    Court records show that Moreira García pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served last week. But Moreira García’s lawyer, Mauricio Padilla, said he was satisfied with the judgment, but that his client was put on a plane home soon after the sentencing.

    Well, boo hoo. If I was in another country on a visa that expired and I stayed on for years, I’d 1) damn well be aware that I was there illegally and breaking the law and 2) expect to be deported if caught. I certainly wouldn’t expect the locals to rise up in protest that I was a poor persecuted immigrant and deserved sanctuary.

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  36. @bored identity
    And walls don't work.

    Yet, Mexixo's Not Their Best somehow have a slim chance to make it from the left to the right of this photograph:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/10/17/3E23655000000578-0-In_Mexico_ramshackle_slums_left_sit_shoulder_to_shoulder_with_th-m-186_1489165855878.jpg

    Same goes with a rest of Thirdwordling Huddled Hoodlers that will eventually end up pursuing their happiness in your backyard :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4302236/Slums-stacked-mansions-skyscrapers.html

    TRUMP 2020!

    Remarkable photos from the Daily Mail showing luxury next to extreme poverty around the world. Thanks for posting.

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  37. “Criminal aliens” works for me, though “criminal infiltrator” has an Israeli-AP Style Guide pedigree that lends it credence among the stupid (AP SG says people aren’t illegal, and they’re right – people who commit crimes are criminals; Israeli officials routinely call them “infiltrators”).

    But “criminal alien” has a certain 21st century ring to it…

    Unlawful or unauthorized alien might be the most precise term, since there are a few catagories of “illegals” who never broke any laws, most notably those who entered or overstayed as minors in the custody of others.

    I find it hard to believe that those who entered or overstayed as minors in the custody of others, but have stayed in the US for many years since reaching majority, are guilty of no crimes. I think it’s safe to assume they’re criminals.

    Another group would be those who entered legally but who were never properly informed they needed to leave and never sought to evade notice.

    Yes, they pay their checks with fairy dust, don’t use fraudulent documents, etc. P.S., one need not know one is guilty of a crime, to be guilty of a crime.

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  38. @Alice
    Yesterday was the first time I ever heard someone say. Carlos Slim's name allowed. All this time I have only known him by reading about him.

    It's pronounced s-LEEM. Or rather close to Salim.

    Was Carlos slim Carlos Salim in the very recent past? Huh. Funny that.

    From his Wikipedia article, at least until the history-rewriters get ahold of it:

    Slim was born on January 28, 1940, in Mexico City,[10] to Julián Slim Haddad (born Khalil Salim Haddad Aglamaz) and Linda Helú Atta, both Maronite Catholics of Lebanese descent.

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  39. How about “Slimmigrants”?

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    Haha... I get it, but it may cause other problems, like the rounding-up and accidental deportation of Karen Carpenter look-alikes and yoga instructors. Let's send them our best, even if it's by mistake.

    (and nothing against The Carpenters, BTW, Karen's drumming was 2nd only to John Bonham. OK, ok, but her voice was beautiful and Richard could play a mean lead when they let him.)
  40. The Times piece was written for an audience that prefers to identify these people by their off the books job titles i.e. nanny, gardener, cook, live in maid, etc.- rather than by their immigration status.

    One man’s invader is another man’s cheap domestic servant.

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  41. I can’t go past an expression from George MacDonald Fraser (the author of the Flashman novels): “alien scroungers”.

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  42. @Stan Adams
    OT, but also from the NYT:

    SWPL cheese can kill you:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/nyregion/two-people-die-after-eating-raw-milk-cheese-made-in-new-york.html?src=recg&_r=0

    Margaret Atwood is still a dried-out cheesebag:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/books/review/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-age-of-trump.html?src=recg

    Unbelievable.

    The Handmaid’s Tale is a poor man’s dystopian novel, but has such a compelling premise that I understand why its fame and acclaim have endured, and am irritated by the way feminists co-opted it to serve their own messages. The novel is more complex than that, and Atwood’s essay is well worth a read. It belies its title until the last paragraph, which has the usual paranoid and ominous overtones concerning Trump’s election. Even then, Atwood digs into extremism of all stripes.

    Commenting on the novel’s plot of a tyrranical autocracy, Atwood writes, The regime uses biblical symbols, as any authoritarian regime taking over America doubtless would: They wouldn’t be Communists or Muslims.

    Yet earlier in the essay, she admits Having been born in 1939 and come to consciousness during World War II, I knew that established orders could vanish overnight. Change could also be as fast as lightning. “It can’t happen here” could not be depended on: Anything could happen anywhere, given the circumstances.

    She may have written a richer essay that the NYT smoothed over to be more “on-message” in the editing.

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    The Handmaid's Tale is a ludicrous anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-male, anti-technology diatribe. The scenario - environmental pollution leads to near-total female barrenness; a theocratic regime overthrows the American government and enslaves the few remaining fertile women as babymakers for bigshots - is interesting, but hardly realistic.

    Atwood has said that, in such a world, Canada would be a "haven" for those attempting to flee its regressive, repressive, and (to her) repulsive southern neighbor ... and yet, in the real world, Canada's Muslim population is burgeoning, and, most likely, Canada will implement sharia law well ahead of the United States. And she hasn't a damn thing to say about any of that, has she?

    The book is required reading in many schools, so our tax dollars subsidize this drivel.

    That being said, it is a good read, if only for the insights that it provides into the churning cesspool of the paranoid female mind. I like the 1990 movie version starring Natasha Richardson and Robert Duvall, even though it is a watered-down Hollywood-ized bastardization of the novel.
  43. @Alden
    Slim is Arab ethnicity. Lots of Arabs immigrated to Mexico over the years.

    The full Mexican surnames of Slim’s six children are Slim Gemayel. They are part of the Gemayel clan that was the single biggest newsmakers during the 1975-1990 civil war in Lebanon.

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  44. @Achmed E. Newman
    They meant, Charles, that all of those 6 terms for "illegal alien" engender criticism. True dat, but the first one, "illegal alien" is the correct one just based on it's use in legal terminology, and specifically the terms that the border patrol, immigration offices, etc. would use. Who's been criticizing that term, you ask? The NY Times has. So, it's, like, all true, what they wrote.

    It' just like: "Our pie graphs displayed on our website that relate to any racial or ethnic classifications have been criticized by, cough, cough, us at the NY Times, cough, in the past for having color schemes that reflect stereotypes, say black people with black pie slices, brown people Hispanics with brown, call it pecan-colored, pie slices, yellow-skin-colored people Orientals with lemon-colored pie slices, the Irish leprechans with key lime creme de mint pie slices, Cuban commies and New Yorkers with cherry-colored slices, etc.. Our more recent schemes, in which we randomize the colors* on the pies **, has been also roundly criticized by some conservative pundits strongmen for forcing our readers to incessantly glance back and forth at the legend to see who the hell's whom? "

    "See, we can't win with you people, so we'll just leave it the stupid way, and SHF Up about it. Also, we will endeavor to be consistent in calling the illegal aliens, Breaking&Entering (Allegedly) Non-prosecuted, Erstwhile Rape Suspects, BEANERS for short. Please quit criticizing stuff we write, we're down to mostly Chinese readers now, apparently, and they are not so sensitive about glammer and sperring."

    "We don't need all you readers anyway! We've got Sailer, that other two-initialed guy on unz, and 129 million Chinamen ("and women") and women, and screw all of them, Mr. Slim's gonna pay us anyway! Readers, psssshaaawww!"


    * "Such as our reversal of the Blue/Red election map scheme so that viewers would not stereotype left-wing Democrats as, you know, commies or something."

    ** This whole thing is making me hungry. Who's up for pie?

    ** This whole thing is making me hungry. Who’s up for pie?

    Count me in!

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  45. @AnotherGuessModel
    The Handmaid's Tale is a poor man's dystopian novel, but has such a compelling premise that I understand why its fame and acclaim have endured, and am irritated by the way feminists co-opted it to serve their own messages. The novel is more complex than that, and Atwood's essay is well worth a read. It belies its title until the last paragraph, which has the usual paranoid and ominous overtones concerning Trump's election. Even then, Atwood digs into extremism of all stripes.

    Commenting on the novel's plot of a tyrranical autocracy, Atwood writes, The regime uses biblical symbols, as any authoritarian regime taking over America doubtless would: They wouldn’t be Communists or Muslims.

    Yet earlier in the essay, she admits Having been born in 1939 and come to consciousness during World War II, I knew that established orders could vanish overnight. Change could also be as fast as lightning. “It can’t happen here” could not be depended on: Anything could happen anywhere, given the circumstances.

    She may have written a richer essay that the NYT smoothed over to be more "on-message" in the editing.

    The Handmaid’s Tale is a ludicrous anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-male, anti-technology diatribe. The scenario – environmental pollution leads to near-total female barrenness; a theocratic regime overthrows the American government and enslaves the few remaining fertile women as babymakers for bigshots – is interesting, but hardly realistic.

    Atwood has said that, in such a world, Canada would be a “haven” for those attempting to flee its regressive, repressive, and (to her) repulsive southern neighbor … and yet, in the real world, Canada’s Muslim population is burgeoning, and, most likely, Canada will implement sharia law well ahead of the United States. And she hasn’t a damn thing to say about any of that, has she?

    The book is required reading in many schools, so our tax dollars subsidize this drivel.

    That being said, it is a good read, if only for the insights that it provides into the churning cesspool of the paranoid female mind. I like the 1990 movie version starring Natasha Richardson and Robert Duvall, even though it is a watered-down Hollywood-ized bastardization of the novel.

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  46. @Olorin

    All of these terms, and some others, have been used in The New York Time...— and each has been met with criticism.
     
    Is the implication that the Old Grey Nightmare is saying she oughtn't be criticized?

    Or perhaps has Age Transitioned into a 400-lb young Special Snowflake triggered by criticism?

    Or is she bitching about political correctness making it hard to write state propaganda? (BWHAHAHA factor: 5,000)

    Or is there some desperate attempt on the part of Mr. Salim to dogwhistle that if enough readers come back to the NYT, they'll call everything whatever the readers want, to keep them happy, now would you all PLEASE click through all 700 adbot-connected images in the clickbait photo/video gallery du jour.

    Today: baby ducks doing the things they do so adorably!

    Tomorrow: video clips from the livestream of people screaming "TRUMP IS HITLER" into the new NYT art installation cam at the Museum of The Moving Image.

    Major annual support provided by:
    Ford Foundation, Institute of Museum and Library Services, George S. Kaufman, New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, Stavros Niarchos Foundation, Pannonia Foundation, SAG-AFTRA Motion Picture Players Welfare Fund, Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Herbert S. Schlosser, SAG-AFTRA Foundation, Time Warner Inc, Anonymous.

    Additional annual support provided by:
    AMC Networks, Bank of America, Michael Barker, Charter Communications, David and Denise Chase,Con Edison, Marc Haas Foundation, Ficalora Family Foundation, William Fox, Jr. Foundation, Friskies, HBO, The Hollywood Foreign Press Association, Hubbard Broadcasting Foundation, International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, JABberwocky Literary Agency, Linda LeRoy Janklow, Ivan and Andrea Lustig, John T. McGuire, New York State Council on the Arts, Michael and Gabrielle Palitz, Paramount Pictures Corporation, The Pinkerton Foundation, Dick and Susan Saint James Ebersol, Henry and Peggy Schleiff Family Foundation, Taipei Economic and Cultural Office, Taffner Family Charitable Trust, Ronald and Judith Targan, Time Warner Cable, Andrew H. and Ann R. Tisch Foundation, Jeff Zucker.

    http://www.movingimage.us/support/supporters
     

    It’s not easy to starve the beast with so many rejunevating tentacles.

    But, B-League players such as Taipei Economic and Cultural Office…really?!

    At least Trump can make that phone call this weekend, and make some Mi So Dam ROC deputy ministar got fired for the total lack of judgment:

    ” So you expect me,The Hitler to save your sorry a$s $hitty island from Chaijna?”

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  47. @Undocumented Shopper
    MSM's way of dealing with this question is to use the term "Immigrants" when they have illegal aliens in mind. Which is dishonest because a green card holder is also an immigrant. Heck, a foreign-born but naturalized US citizen is still an immigrant!

    Here are some typical headlines I just collected from Google News:

    "TRUMP DUMPS DUE PROCESS TO TARGET ANY AND ALL IMMIGRANTS"
    "Fearful immigrants are offered anti-deportation training"
    "Toledo area immigrants, exiles feeling unsettled in Trump era"
    "This Agency Created a 'Panic Button' to Help Immigrants"
    "Bridgeport immigrants learn to evade ICE"
    "Advocates Educate Immigrants on Raids, Travel Ban"
    "Workshop aims to calm fears of immigrants"
    "Fearing deportation, Bay Area immigrants rush to make U.S.-born kids dual Mexican citizens"
    "Immigrants and their allies gather for ‘out of the shadows’ rally at State Capitol"
    "Border mystery: Where are the immigrants?"

    “Fearing deportation, Bay Area immigrants rush to make U.S.-born kids dual Mexican citizens”

    By the way, this article says one of reasons they get Mexican citizenship for their kids is that without it the children would not be allowed to attend public schools in Mexico.

    I don’t think the authors intended to show how anarchic the US immigration policy is compared to Mexico’s, but they did.

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  48. @Geschrei
    How about "Slimmigrants"?

    Haha… I get it, but it may cause other problems, like the rounding-up and accidental deportation of Karen Carpenter look-alikes and yoga instructors. Let’s send them our best, even if it’s by mistake.

    (and nothing against The Carpenters, BTW, Karen’s drumming was 2nd only to John Bonham. OK, ok, but her voice was beautiful and Richard could play a mean lead when they let him.)

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    “Unlike your ancestors, of course.”

    Ah, yes, that old chestnut, we’re all already just citizens of the world, and if you don’t know that in your bones you’re an infinitely bad ignorant evil racist, unlike us morally superior world citizens who really should be anointed to dispose of the world properly.

    Sanctimonious evil.

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    @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LslnDx16-Ik

    This is a classic. I recall not liking it the first time but having seen a several times in past few yrs, this is one-of-a-kind ‘shaggy man’ movie.

    Lots of great moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInDURsyHrM

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  51. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha... I get it, but it may cause other problems, like the rounding-up and accidental deportation of Karen Carpenter look-alikes and yoga instructors. Let's send them our best, even if it's by mistake.

    (and nothing against The Carpenters, BTW, Karen's drumming was 2nd only to John Bonham. OK, ok, but her voice was beautiful and Richard could play a mean lead when they let him.)

    Stop dissing Karen!!!

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  52. Hey, I wasn’t dissing Karen Carpenter. I’m a fan. I was joking about the drumming, but she did drums though. She was just slim that’s all, a bit too slim.

    Sorry for the extremely late reply (in internet time).

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