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From the New York Times:

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Like that 2-time deportee drunk driver who killed that NFL linebacker. He’s not a “criminal,” he’s … A Dreamer’s Dad.

Seriously, the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate. Maybe Trump could arrange for some elderly Democratic leader to give, say, an eight-hour speech about Dreamers? Who knows what rationalizations the old Democrat might dredge up?

 
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  1. TheBoom says:

    Steve is assuming too much sanity from voters and too much awareness. Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what. Single women are fighting the Patriarchy. Jews will be Jews and affluent professionals will fight the Deplorables. Many conservatives still want to be nice and be considered fair as long as they live in white areas and don’t have deal with the high costs in terms of community impact. At this point, demographic shifts render mute the debate.

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    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    You defeatists are a tedious lot. We will win this, and you hapless saps will have not just sat on the sidelines, you will have been chanting that our success is impossible. And then, after all the hard work is done, and we win, you will say you were with us the whole way.

    Cowboy up spanky! Grab the rope and start pulling. Or admit that you are worse than dead weight.

    You cannot honestly sit this one out. If you won't help, get out of the way. And keep your doomsaying to yourself.
    , @donut
    " Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what."

    Not all of them. I have a young (well 30 something) female friend who was sympathetic to Trump's message if not the man . But she is an exception . She can be a hard ass too . I used to tease her that none of her boyfriends ever got through the probationary period . No slack was cut , no time was wasted .
    , @Cucksworth
    This is the latest shill tactic: black pilling the readers into thinking that our struggle is hopeless.

    If China and Israel can deport their invaders, then so can we.
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  2. Arclight says:

    The fact that of all the issues before the House during Nancy’s tenure as minority leader or speaker *this* is the one that produced a record-breaking speech on the floor is very revealing about how critical the Dem brain trust must view the need to get more immigrants/future voters legalized and onto the voter rolls.

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  3. I don’t know. If the murder, and no conviction, in the shooting death of beautiful Kate Steinle didn’t sour people on multi crime illegals, why will a NFL player’s death fare any better.

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    • Replies: @Alastair Trumpington
    I thought the crime happened in Indiana. It might convince enough people in Ohio and Michigan to make a bit of a difference, and may convince a few black people in that area to stay at home on Election Day.
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  4. “Seriously, the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate.”

    Everytime amnesty comes up for debate the public moves further to the right. The open borders crowd can’t say anything to defend their position that isn’t a flat out lie. The longer they drag out the issue, the better the conservatives will do.

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    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular. It seems that every time such a thing comes up in Congress, people, some people at least, "light up the switchboards" of Congress. Why do think Mr. Schumer got religion so quickly in the recent shutdown?

    If George W Bush couldn't get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted, what makes people think Donald Trump will do such a thing? He might abandon his campaign promises and compromise on this issue, but what makes people think he would get farther with this than Mr. Bush?

    The immigration issue may not prevent Republicans from losing seats or even control of one or both houses of Congress, but what makes people think this will go farther than, say, when President Obama had his 60-vote Senate majority?
    , @Anonymous
    The public is currently less favorable to new restrictions than it was during the mid-1990s and right after 9/11.

    The economy is "good" for the upper-middle class, and "okay" for everyone else. Support for immigration cuts is correlated, and one of its causal factors, with a bad economy. The immigration laws passed during the 1920s were the result of a severe recession that occurred after the end of WW1.

    Most conservatives are very scared of engaging on identitarian terms. Of the major pundits, only Ann Coulter does openly, even Tucker Carlson is still hiding in the civic closet.
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  7. Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.
     
    Hispanics don't commit any crimes at all. Because they're only Hispanic when they're the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they're white.
    , @Big Bill
    Look at this page:

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
    , @Brutusale
    Got anything from the past couple years? In 2010 they were still self-deporting due to the 2008 crash.
    , @William Badwhite
    Totally agree. Check out all these honkies:

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/sexOffenders

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/stillWanted
    , @Hare Krishna
    You are correct. Also, "race realists" are in denial about how much Trump is cucked - he wants black approval so he's willing to look the other way at black dysfunction and crime
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  8. jcd1974 says:

    Meanwhile the prosecutor’s more offended by Trump’s comments than by the fact that if immigration laws were enforced two men would still be alive.

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/prosecutor-rips-trumps-ghoulish-comments-after-colt-players-death/

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    "Meanwhile the prosecutor's more offended by Trump's comments than by the fact that if immigration laws were enforced two men would still be alive."

    Barack Obama never made a political issue of a death. Sarcasm off.
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  9. newrouter says:

    “Maybe Trump could arrange for some elderly Democratic leader to give, say, an eight-hour speech about Dreamers?”

    Mrs. Pelosi said Obamacare would let American “dreamers” do their thing. I’m sure she’s right this time.

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  10. @JollyOldSoul
    "Seriously, the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate."

    Everytime amnesty comes up for debate the public moves further to the right. The open borders crowd can't say anything to defend their position that isn't a flat out lie. The longer they drag out the issue, the better the conservatives will do.

    Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular. It seems that every time such a thing comes up in Congress, people, some people at least, “light up the switchboards” of Congress. Why do think Mr. Schumer got religion so quickly in the recent shutdown?

    If George W Bush couldn’t get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted, what makes people think Donald Trump will do such a thing? He might abandon his campaign promises and compromise on this issue, but what makes people think he would get farther with this than Mr. Bush?

    The immigration issue may not prevent Republicans from losing seats or even control of one or both houses of Congress, but what makes people think this will go farther than, say, when President Obama had his 60-vote Senate majority?

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "If George W Bush couldn’t get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted"

    Where did you get the idea that W "badly wanted" any immigration reform that didn't please his BFFL Fox?
    , @Big Bill
    In January of 2005 George Bush announced a new immigration policy: "Willing Worker, Willing Employer".

    Any foreigner who could find a US employer willing to hire him would be given a green card.
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  11. eah says:

    the longer the Democrats talk about immigration

    It’s Trump and the Republicans who must act — as long as the Democrats stall (“talk”), the status quo of more and more non-white (legal) immigrants, refugees, etc etc will change the electorate to their advantage — the recent WaPo piece suggested Trump’s immigration proposals might delay the ‘browning’ of America for perhaps 5 years — suppose Trump is reelected in 2020 — by 2024 eg both FL and TX will very likely have flipped — so the Democrats trade 4 more years of Trump to keep the ‘browning’ on schedule — the Republicans control both houses of Congress now — that could end later this year.

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    • Replies: @eah
    In their "talk", the Democrats say they are standing on principle, standing up for what is ('morally') right, etc -- the media pushes that angle by focusing on 'dreamers' -- this will dampen the absurdity of it all in the minds of many.

    In the liberal mind, nothing says the "pride of our nation" like people who are not even of our nation.

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/961286151276445696
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  12. Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular.

    “Immigration amnesty” is just not all that amnesty. Genuine amnesties require the amnestied to obey the law in the future– in this case, to go home.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Refugees are also supposed to be temporary. When the war is over they are to return to their homeland.

    Asylum is also supposed to be sought in the nearest "safe country", not a gullible Nordic welfare state.
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  13. @Classical Liberal
    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by "race realists".

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html

    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.

    Hispanics don’t commit any crimes at all. Because they’re only Hispanic when they’re the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they’re white.

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    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    Jews long ago mastered that trick.

    Now if only Blacks can learn it...
    , @Jefferson
    "Hispanics don’t commit any crimes at all. Because they’re only Hispanic when they’re the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they’re white"

    Also the only time DACA Dreamers are White is when one of them murders a Muslim woman during road rage. I remember that Dreamer from El Salvador who killed a Muslim woman was called a White supremacist Trump supporter by The Left. A White supremacist Trump supporter from El Salvador is an oxymoron.

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  14. “the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate.”

    Ah, the ol’ “4d chess” gambit. First of all, that assumes that most don’t know where the Dems stand on the issue. That’s patently false. It also assumes – perhaps through osmosis – that those who side with the Dems unwittingly (the great majority) are going to suddenly say “basta!” That’s not going to happen just by showing the Dems doing what Dems do.

    Further, the “4d chess” scam assumes that Trump is very smart, that Trump is actually against amnesty, and that Trump wants to undercut the Dems. None of those are true. But, if all of them are true, then Trump would be doing something entirely different. Instead, he tweets things like “Start pushing Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to work out a DACA fix, NOW!”

    If Trump were very smart, then he’d be able to develop on his own the arguments I’ve already developed that’d greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he’d use those arguments.

    Polls show 70% to 80% support DACA amnesty. Yes, they’re biased, but that’s part of the problem. No one with a megaphone is trying to reach out to those 70-80% who’ve been duped. Instead, Trump’s a cheerleader for amnesty. “Ah knows the polls is lyin’” isn’t an adequate response, since obviously most have fallen for the lies. No one with a megaphone is trying to correct the lies and few are pushing for Trump and his proxies to correct the lies to those who’ve been taken in.

    There are arguments that’d greatly undercut Dem leaders to their base and they’ll fit in a tweet. Those who truly oppose amnesty should demand that Trump and his proxies use them (I’ve already written them, but if they don’t know them then use that against them: take out the trash.

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    • Replies: @Joe, Averaged
    All good points, and I’ve read your blog and your argument is sound. However, you are dealing with people with religious beliefs. They believe that immigration is an unlimited good - explaining that it deprives countries of good workers does not work - I’ve tried it. At best, they will turn oddly nationalist and say it is good for our country. At worst, they will call you a racist and try to have you blackballed.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Yeah, I don't know why we haven't elected you Pope and Emperor already. If you were king of the universe we'd all have a villa on the Big Rock Candy Mountain.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "If Trump were very smart, then he’d be able to develop on his own the arguments I’ve already developed that’d greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he’d use those arguments."

    Yes, those are some big "IFs". They're like the Mount Rushmore of "IFs".
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  15. Jesus on a Kaiser roll– it’s right there in the headline: they came illegally. Doing anything illegally is the sine quae non, the very essence and definition, of being a criminal. You are an criminal if you commit a criminal – i.e., illegal, action. That’s it. That’s the whole deal. The constant attempt to separate the act form the status of criminality (“people cannot be illegal”) is preposterous. If you came to the place illegally, you are a criminal. Full stop.

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  16. Alfa158 says:

    Steve, please, you’re going overboard with the bantz. The idea that even a Democrat would be stupid, senile, and crazy enough to give an eight speech in favor of open borders, belongs in the swamps of fever dreams. That’s as believable as an African immigrant building a rocket and shooting a sports car out to Mars.
    You need to rein in that wild imagination of yours or you’re going lose to credibility.

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  17. eah says:
    @eah
    the longer the Democrats talk about immigration

    It's Trump and the Republicans who must act -- as long as the Democrats stall ("talk"), the status quo of more and more non-white (legal) immigrants, refugees, etc etc will change the electorate to their advantage -- the recent WaPo piece suggested Trump's immigration proposals might delay the 'browning' of America for perhaps 5 years -- suppose Trump is reelected in 2020 -- by 2024 eg both FL and TX will very likely have flipped -- so the Democrats trade 4 more years of Trump to keep the 'browning' on schedule -- the Republicans control both houses of Congress now -- that could end later this year.

    In their “talk”, the Democrats say they are standing on principle, standing up for what is (‘morally’) right, etc — the media pushes that angle by focusing on ‘dreamers’ — this will dampen the absurdity of it all in the minds of many.

    In the liberal mind, nothing says the “pride of our nation” like people who are not even of our nation.

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  18. eah says:
    @eah
    In their "talk", the Democrats say they are standing on principle, standing up for what is ('morally') right, etc -- the media pushes that angle by focusing on 'dreamers' -- this will dampen the absurdity of it all in the minds of many.

    In the liberal mind, nothing says the "pride of our nation" like people who are not even of our nation.

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/961286151276445696

    OT

    But to show the power of the media:

    Remember last year when Sheriff’s deputies in Tennessee shot and killed an unarmed man? Me neither and that’s because the guy was white.

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  19. It’s in instances like these where it’s good to send the reminder that the crime rate among illegal aliens is 100%, by definition.

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  20. @24AheadDotCom
    "the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate."

    Ah, the ol' "4d chess" gambit. First of all, that assumes that most don't know where the Dems stand on the issue. That's patently false. It also assumes - perhaps through osmosis - that those who side with the Dems unwittingly (the great majority) are going to suddenly say "basta!" That's not going to happen just by showing the Dems doing what Dems do.

    Further, the "4d chess" scam assumes that Trump is very smart, that Trump is actually against amnesty, and that Trump wants to undercut the Dems. None of those are true. But, if all of them are true, then Trump would be doing something entirely different. Instead, he tweets things like "Start pushing Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to work out a DACA fix, NOW!"

    If Trump were very smart, then he'd be able to develop on his own the arguments I've already developed that'd greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he'd use those arguments.

    Polls show 70% to 80% support DACA amnesty. Yes, they're biased, but that's part of the problem. No one with a megaphone is trying to reach out to those 70-80% who've been duped. Instead, Trump's a cheerleader for amnesty. "Ah knows the polls is lyin'" isn't an adequate response, since obviously most have fallen for the lies. No one with a megaphone is trying to correct the lies and few are pushing for Trump and his proxies to correct the lies to those who've been taken in.

    There are arguments that'd greatly undercut Dem leaders to their base and they'll fit in a tweet. Those who truly oppose amnesty should demand that Trump and his proxies use them (I've already written them, but if they don't know them then use that against them: take out the trash.

    All good points, and I’ve read your blog and your argument is sound. However, you are dealing with people with religious beliefs. They believe that immigration is an unlimited good – explaining that it deprives countries of good workers does not work – I’ve tried it. At best, they will turn oddly nationalist and say it is good for our country. At worst, they will call you a racist and try to have you blackballed.

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    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    When someone calls you a racist and you aren't, point out a) you aren't, b) they don't know you, c) they using an ad hom, and d) they're trying to stifle debate. Don't ever repeat their smears or engage in all the other idiotic actions most do such as "some of my best friends", etc. Ask them to detail their proposed non-racist immigration policy now and in the future. They'll either not come up with anything and you can then point out they aren't serious and don't understand the issue, or they'll come up with a plan that won't work and you can show how it won't work. You can also point to how they aren't credible on other things (which is usually the case).

    I'm fairly certain that if Pelosi etc were "cross-examined" and forced to admit that more immigration leads to more braindrain that's something that could be used against her over and over and would cause enough of those who've been duped to at least go neutral on the issue. You could watch a hundred hours of CNN on immigration and not hear about braindrain, and I'd guess the vast majority of Americans don't realize it's involved in the so-called debate.

    There are also other arguments besides braindrain, like increased competition for college slots and discounts.
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  21. @Reg Cæsar

    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.
     
    Hispanics don't commit any crimes at all. Because they're only Hispanic when they're the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they're white.

    Jews long ago mastered that trick.

    Now if only Blacks can learn it…

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Jews long ago mastered that trick.

    Now if only Blacks can learn it…

    It's extremely hard to pass for White/Whitish when the average Black American is only 20% Caucasian. So they will NEVER "master that trick".
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  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JollyOldSoul
    "Seriously, the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate."

    Everytime amnesty comes up for debate the public moves further to the right. The open borders crowd can't say anything to defend their position that isn't a flat out lie. The longer they drag out the issue, the better the conservatives will do.

    The public is currently less favorable to new restrictions than it was during the mid-1990s and right after 9/11.

    The economy is “good” for the upper-middle class, and “okay” for everyone else. Support for immigration cuts is correlated, and one of its causal factors, with a bad economy. The immigration laws passed during the 1920s were the result of a severe recession that occurred after the end of WW1.

    Most conservatives are very scared of engaging on identitarian terms. Of the major pundits, only Ann Coulter does openly, even Tucker Carlson is still hiding in the civic closet.

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    The immigration laws passed during the 1920s were the result of a severe recession that occurred after the end of WW1.
     
    No, they were the result of people freaking out when the findings of the 1920 Census were released and showed that, for the first time in history, the US urban population outnumbered the rural population. When the citizenry actually sees vast demographic shifts in real time, as now, they act to put on the brakes.
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  23. @TheBoom
    Steve is assuming too much sanity from voters and too much awareness. Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what. Single women are fighting the Patriarchy. Jews will be Jews and affluent professionals will fight the Deplorables. Many conservatives still want to be nice and be considered fair as long as they live in white areas and don't have deal with the high costs in terms of community impact. At this point, demographic shifts render mute the debate.

    You defeatists are a tedious lot. We will win this, and you hapless saps will have not just sat on the sidelines, you will have been chanting that our success is impossible. And then, after all the hard work is done, and we win, you will say you were with us the whole way.

    Cowboy up spanky! Grab the rope and start pulling. Or admit that you are worse than dead weight.

    You cannot honestly sit this one out. If you won’t help, get out of the way. And keep your doomsaying to yourself.

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    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Hope alone won't win.

    So when you call on us to "Grab a rope and start pulling!"
    I'm eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific.

    Blind hope and wishful thinking won't make any difference.

    In my community, I'm already vastly outnumbered by the pozzed forces of cringing apologetic cries of self-denunciation for white-privilege. Stalepalemales are purged from the curriculum and it's a steady diet of blue-eyes bad; brown-eyes good. Nancy Pelosi's self-loathing grandson is the natural product of the anti-White / anti-European animus. It's everywhere permeating every aspect of the culture and civil society.

    Many will suggest "home schooling" but this is merely another form of temporary strategic retreat. Eventually our sons and daughters will have to integrate into society at large with a toxic culture trained to despise them and eager to indoctrinate daughters to believe that only righteous match would be to pair with one or many brown men for brown grandchildren. Meanwhile sons are left out as evolutionary dead-ends with the possible destiny to become barren transwhat freaks as an antidote to their hopeless toxic whitemale masculinity or as an outlet for some positive attention in a world that otherwise demonizes them and views them as worthless and worse.

    Online I may see many like-minded comrades in spirit. At work, in my neighborhood, school district and in my voting precinct, it's only true rainbow diversity all the way down. In the churches, it's either pozzed progressive protestants that might as well be universal unitarians or else Catholic parishes with nothing but Latinos & Filipinos...

    In this situation, one man and one rope can only have one dark meaning.
    , @MBlanc46
    Hear, hear!
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  24. @24AheadDotCom
    "the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate."

    Ah, the ol' "4d chess" gambit. First of all, that assumes that most don't know where the Dems stand on the issue. That's patently false. It also assumes - perhaps through osmosis - that those who side with the Dems unwittingly (the great majority) are going to suddenly say "basta!" That's not going to happen just by showing the Dems doing what Dems do.

    Further, the "4d chess" scam assumes that Trump is very smart, that Trump is actually against amnesty, and that Trump wants to undercut the Dems. None of those are true. But, if all of them are true, then Trump would be doing something entirely different. Instead, he tweets things like "Start pushing Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to work out a DACA fix, NOW!"

    If Trump were very smart, then he'd be able to develop on his own the arguments I've already developed that'd greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he'd use those arguments.

    Polls show 70% to 80% support DACA amnesty. Yes, they're biased, but that's part of the problem. No one with a megaphone is trying to reach out to those 70-80% who've been duped. Instead, Trump's a cheerleader for amnesty. "Ah knows the polls is lyin'" isn't an adequate response, since obviously most have fallen for the lies. No one with a megaphone is trying to correct the lies and few are pushing for Trump and his proxies to correct the lies to those who've been taken in.

    There are arguments that'd greatly undercut Dem leaders to their base and they'll fit in a tweet. Those who truly oppose amnesty should demand that Trump and his proxies use them (I've already written them, but if they don't know them then use that against them: take out the trash.

    Yeah, I don’t know why we haven’t elected you Pope and Emperor already. If you were king of the universe we’d all have a villa on the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

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    He's up there with whiskey when it comes to expecting others to take his monomania seriously.
    , @J.Ross
    You might enjoy this if you haven't seen it already: PDA Anon thread. Excitement in March, beginning of the end in December.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/159643065
    , @24AheadDotCom
    Charles Erwin Wilson II (upv @Jack Hanson, @J.Ross): your comment is yet another worthless smear. I'm trying to stop amnesty, those like you are enabling it.

    If you support Trump's amnesty because it has Trump's name on it (even though it's the same amnesty Obama, GWB, Hillary, and all the rest would have pushed) and you support the full amnesty for countless millions of illegal aliens Trump wants after DACA amnesty, then just admit it.

    If you oppose amnesty, then you're doing it wrong. I want to stop Trump's amnesty by making it a CLM for his proxies and top supporters. I want Trump and his proxies to - instead of promoting amnesty - make smart arguments that'll undercut Dem leaders to their base. If you have or know of a better plan to stop Trump's amnesty, then post it.

    If you oppose amnesty but don't have or know of a better plan, then explain why you're smearing my plan. Are you putting your hurt feelings over something before what's best for the USA?
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  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular.
     
    "Immigration amnesty" is just not all that amnesty. Genuine amnesties require the amnestied to obey the law in the future-- in this case, to go home.

    Refugees are also supposed to be temporary. When the war is over they are to return to their homeland.

    Asylum is also supposed to be sought in the nearest “safe country”, not a gullible Nordic welfare state.

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    True. But we were discussing amnesty, not refuge. Both are inadvisable, but they' re distinct policies, and inadvisable for different reasons. (And common reasons, too. There is no shortage of reasons.)
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  26. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Yeah, I don't know why we haven't elected you Pope and Emperor already. If you were king of the universe we'd all have a villa on the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

    He’s up there with whiskey when it comes to expecting others to take his monomania seriously.

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  27. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Yeah, I don't know why we haven't elected you Pope and Emperor already. If you were king of the universe we'd all have a villa on the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

    You might enjoy this if you haven’t seen it already: PDA Anon thread. Excitement in March, beginning of the end in December.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/159643065

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  28. There is only question to ask in this situation:

    Was the NFL player white or black?

    If white, stop. If black, proceed as though Dreamer were white.

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  29. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    You defeatists are a tedious lot. We will win this, and you hapless saps will have not just sat on the sidelines, you will have been chanting that our success is impossible. And then, after all the hard work is done, and we win, you will say you were with us the whole way.

    Cowboy up spanky! Grab the rope and start pulling. Or admit that you are worse than dead weight.

    You cannot honestly sit this one out. If you won't help, get out of the way. And keep your doomsaying to yourself.

    Hope alone won’t win.

    So when you call on us to “Grab a rope and start pulling!”
    I’m eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific.

    Blind hope and wishful thinking won’t make any difference.

    In my community, I’m already vastly outnumbered by the pozzed forces of cringing apologetic cries of self-denunciation for white-privilege. Stalepalemales are purged from the curriculum and it’s a steady diet of blue-eyes bad; brown-eyes good. Nancy Pelosi’s self-loathing grandson is the natural product of the anti-White / anti-European animus. It’s everywhere permeating every aspect of the culture and civil society.

    Many will suggest “home schooling” but this is merely another form of temporary strategic retreat. Eventually our sons and daughters will have to integrate into society at large with a toxic culture trained to despise them and eager to indoctrinate daughters to believe that only righteous match would be to pair with one or many brown men for brown grandchildren. Meanwhile sons are left out as evolutionary dead-ends with the possible destiny to become barren transwhat freaks as an antidote to their hopeless toxic whitemale masculinity or as an outlet for some positive attention in a world that otherwise demonizes them and views them as worthless and worse.

    Online I may see many like-minded comrades in spirit. At work, in my neighborhood, school district and in my voting precinct, it’s only true rainbow diversity all the way down. In the churches, it’s either pozzed progressive protestants that might as well be universal unitarians or else Catholic parishes with nothing but Latinos & Filipinos…

    In this situation, one man and one rope can only have one dark meaning.

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    "I’m eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific."
     
    Easy peasy!

    No DACA deal.
    No more amnesty.
    No chain migration.
    No more birthright citizenship (seriously, do an EO today just to get the issue litigated once and for all).
    Require re-certification by all employers of all employee I-9s with e-verify. Jail employer CEOs of firms that employ more than two illegals (three-strikes).
    Start rounding people up at HomeDepot and Walmart parking lots if they can't produce valid papers.
    Start visiting pretty much every restaurant in major cities to verify documentation of kitchen staff.
    Check tax roles for former net-taxpayers who paid more than $10,000 now receing a refund owing largely to EITC (an illegal started using my SSN to do this while I lived abroad)
    Deport immediately any illegal detained for any crime less than a capital crime
    Look for, round up, and deport the rest. Put those who cannot be immediately adjudicated in one of Sheriff Joe's Tent Cities.
    , @Greasy William
    Just cause things are bad in your neighborhood doesn't mean you need to subject us to your "we are doomed!" bullshit. We don't care about your suffering and we aren't interested in your opinion.

    Trump is flawed and there is no reason to believe that he is going to solve the demographic problems that have been building in this country for over 50 years now. Even if Trump manages to pass something like the RAISE Act, and he probably won't, all that would do is slow down our demographic displacement, not halt or reverse it.

    On top of that, many whites are not waking up and some are even doubling down on the crazy as the Left becomes ever more unhinged. The media, big business and the Deep State remain implacably opposed to us and will continue to fight us with all their might. There is very little public support for restricting legal immigration, even among Trump supporters.

    Now that all that is settled, do you really think we don't know all of that? Do you really think that you are just so insightful that you can see these things and we are just delusional Pollyannas who can't see the big picture?

    We know how bad our situation is. We know that Trump is no savior and that this is going to be a long war. But we also know that ever since Trump came down that escalator in 2015 that we have finally started fighting back. It is true that in many ways the progress that we have made over the last 2.5 years amounts to nothing more than a small start, but a small start is still a start, and that's what really matters.

    The DREAM Act is dead, refugee admissions are down by 70%, BLM is finished, mainstream Senate Republicans are publicly on board with reductions to legal immigration and we've got cucks like Kevin McCarthy saying that our unity is more important than diversity. This doesn't mean that we're winning or that we have the upper hand. We aren't winning and we don't have the upper hand. And the Trump supporters here are fully aware of this. But it does mean that we are on the right path. That is what is really important and that is what you are missing.

    So please: just shut the hell up.
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  30. @Buffalo Joe
    I don't know. If the murder, and no conviction, in the shooting death of beautiful Kate Steinle didn't sour people on multi crime illegals, why will a NFL player's death fare any better.

    I thought the crime happened in Indiana. It might convince enough people in Ohio and Michigan to make a bit of a difference, and may convince a few black people in that area to stay at home on Election Day.

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  31. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Hope alone won't win.

    So when you call on us to "Grab a rope and start pulling!"
    I'm eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific.

    Blind hope and wishful thinking won't make any difference.

    In my community, I'm already vastly outnumbered by the pozzed forces of cringing apologetic cries of self-denunciation for white-privilege. Stalepalemales are purged from the curriculum and it's a steady diet of blue-eyes bad; brown-eyes good. Nancy Pelosi's self-loathing grandson is the natural product of the anti-White / anti-European animus. It's everywhere permeating every aspect of the culture and civil society.

    Many will suggest "home schooling" but this is merely another form of temporary strategic retreat. Eventually our sons and daughters will have to integrate into society at large with a toxic culture trained to despise them and eager to indoctrinate daughters to believe that only righteous match would be to pair with one or many brown men for brown grandchildren. Meanwhile sons are left out as evolutionary dead-ends with the possible destiny to become barren transwhat freaks as an antidote to their hopeless toxic whitemale masculinity or as an outlet for some positive attention in a world that otherwise demonizes them and views them as worthless and worse.

    Online I may see many like-minded comrades in spirit. At work, in my neighborhood, school district and in my voting precinct, it's only true rainbow diversity all the way down. In the churches, it's either pozzed progressive protestants that might as well be universal unitarians or else Catholic parishes with nothing but Latinos & Filipinos...

    In this situation, one man and one rope can only have one dark meaning.

    “I’m eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific.”

    Easy peasy!

    No DACA deal.
    No more amnesty.
    No chain migration.
    No more birthright citizenship (seriously, do an EO today just to get the issue litigated once and for all).
    Require re-certification by all employers of all employee I-9s with e-verify. Jail employer CEOs of firms that employ more than two illegals (three-strikes).
    Start rounding people up at HomeDepot and Walmart parking lots if they can’t produce valid papers.
    Start visiting pretty much every restaurant in major cities to verify documentation of kitchen staff.
    Check tax roles for former net-taxpayers who paid more than $10,000 now receing a refund owing largely to EITC (an illegal started using my SSN to do this while I lived abroad)
    Deport immediately any illegal detained for any crime less than a capital crime
    Look for, round up, and deport the rest. Put those who cannot be immediately adjudicated in one of Sheriff Joe’s Tent Cities.

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    I think proposing a political programme as you do here rather misses the point of TSMB's post, which if I read it correctly was more addressed to how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil.

    The vast majority of my social and family contacts certainly are indoctrinated to hold ideas about race, gender, country and nation that I regard as absurd and profoundly warped (or are keeping cautiously quiet about it if they don't), whereas a couple of generations ago the majority would have shared my own views, mostly. That situation has been changed, by indoctrination and social engineering, over a relatively short period of time. We now live in a world in which one of the primary establishment news outlets can editorialise sheer, internally contradictory nonsense such as: "smearing those who come to the US illegally as criminals", without the vast majority of its readers even blinking, as they uncritically absorb it.

    Your proposals are fine as far as addressing one major aspect of the problem (ongoing mass immigration) is concerned. Or at least, they would be fine of there were any mainstream politicians who would be prepared to publicly endorse such a program. There are very few such politicians in the mainstream of politics, and the closer they come to it the more marginalised they are from the mainstream positions of power.

    So even as a call to political action, your suggestion is almost impossible to implement without moving to openly support fringe, demonised "extremist" candidates. How useful that is remains to be seen.

    But it has little bearing on how to actually live one's life and raise a family in the warped societies of the modern US sphere. Charles Erwin Wilson II criticises doomsayers, not unreasonably, for failing to act, but we do need to be clear-eyed about the sheer scale of the problem if we are to find ways to address it.

    There need to be ways for people of the dissident right to network, to socialise and to provide mutual personal and business support in the real world, not just in theoretical and anonymous online discussion forums. But the left actively seeks to disrupt and destroy any such networks as soon as they are identified (see for instance the response to the London Conference on Intelligence recently), and too many on the right are far too quick to join in demonization of "racists" and "anti-Semites", and other politically incorrect traditionalists and patriots, and thus enable the left's domination of the terms of political discourse.

    , @Twodees Partain
    All of that is very good. Now, how do we get Trump on board for all of it? I know that some of it is at work now, but it does appear that all of it is within Trump's power as president. BTW, someone was using my SSN and had gotten the birthdate changed in the files. It was a hard slog getting it fixed, so I'm sure it happens a lot more than we know.
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  32. Where is BLM in all of this? Didn’t this guy’s life matter too?

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    Hahaha noooo...

    BLM defends criminals, and only criminals. Don't believe me, talk to Angelo Dundee, the man who was shot by cops (while lying prone on the ground) for the oh-so-sexy crime of protecting a mentally disabled man from harm. Or Jordan Crawford, who was shot in front of his son (by wedlock) for the crime of legally buying a gun in Wal-Mart. BLM rioted for the openly thuggish Slyville Smith, but forgot about Philandro Castile as soon as they learned that he was gainfully employed and (gasp, shock) beloved by the children.
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  33. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Hope alone won't win.

    So when you call on us to "Grab a rope and start pulling!"
    I'm eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific.

    Blind hope and wishful thinking won't make any difference.

    In my community, I'm already vastly outnumbered by the pozzed forces of cringing apologetic cries of self-denunciation for white-privilege. Stalepalemales are purged from the curriculum and it's a steady diet of blue-eyes bad; brown-eyes good. Nancy Pelosi's self-loathing grandson is the natural product of the anti-White / anti-European animus. It's everywhere permeating every aspect of the culture and civil society.

    Many will suggest "home schooling" but this is merely another form of temporary strategic retreat. Eventually our sons and daughters will have to integrate into society at large with a toxic culture trained to despise them and eager to indoctrinate daughters to believe that only righteous match would be to pair with one or many brown men for brown grandchildren. Meanwhile sons are left out as evolutionary dead-ends with the possible destiny to become barren transwhat freaks as an antidote to their hopeless toxic whitemale masculinity or as an outlet for some positive attention in a world that otherwise demonizes them and views them as worthless and worse.

    Online I may see many like-minded comrades in spirit. At work, in my neighborhood, school district and in my voting precinct, it's only true rainbow diversity all the way down. In the churches, it's either pozzed progressive protestants that might as well be universal unitarians or else Catholic parishes with nothing but Latinos & Filipinos...

    In this situation, one man and one rope can only have one dark meaning.

    Just cause things are bad in your neighborhood doesn’t mean you need to subject us to your “we are doomed!” bullshit. We don’t care about your suffering and we aren’t interested in your opinion.

    Trump is flawed and there is no reason to believe that he is going to solve the demographic problems that have been building in this country for over 50 years now. Even if Trump manages to pass something like the RAISE Act, and he probably won’t, all that would do is slow down our demographic displacement, not halt or reverse it.

    On top of that, many whites are not waking up and some are even doubling down on the crazy as the Left becomes ever more unhinged. The media, big business and the Deep State remain implacably opposed to us and will continue to fight us with all their might. There is very little public support for restricting legal immigration, even among Trump supporters.

    Now that all that is settled, do you really think we don’t know all of that? Do you really think that you are just so insightful that you can see these things and we are just delusional Pollyannas who can’t see the big picture?

    We know how bad our situation is. We know that Trump is no savior and that this is going to be a long war. But we also know that ever since Trump came down that escalator in 2015 that we have finally started fighting back. It is true that in many ways the progress that we have made over the last 2.5 years amounts to nothing more than a small start, but a small start is still a start, and that’s what really matters.

    The DREAM Act is dead, refugee admissions are down by 70%, BLM is finished, mainstream Senate Republicans are publicly on board with reductions to legal immigration and we’ve got cucks like Kevin McCarthy saying that our unity is more important than diversity. This doesn’t mean that we’re winning or that we have the upper hand. We aren’t winning and we don’t have the upper hand. And the Trump supporters here are fully aware of this. But it does mean that we are on the right path. That is what is really important and that is what you are missing.

    So please: just shut the hell up.

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    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    You may be correct. But your final sentence was remarkably unhelpful... what was the point of that?
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  34. Randal says:
    @The Alarmist

    "I’m eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific."
     
    Easy peasy!

    No DACA deal.
    No more amnesty.
    No chain migration.
    No more birthright citizenship (seriously, do an EO today just to get the issue litigated once and for all).
    Require re-certification by all employers of all employee I-9s with e-verify. Jail employer CEOs of firms that employ more than two illegals (three-strikes).
    Start rounding people up at HomeDepot and Walmart parking lots if they can't produce valid papers.
    Start visiting pretty much every restaurant in major cities to verify documentation of kitchen staff.
    Check tax roles for former net-taxpayers who paid more than $10,000 now receing a refund owing largely to EITC (an illegal started using my SSN to do this while I lived abroad)
    Deport immediately any illegal detained for any crime less than a capital crime
    Look for, round up, and deport the rest. Put those who cannot be immediately adjudicated in one of Sheriff Joe's Tent Cities.

    I think proposing a political programme as you do here rather misses the point of TSMB’s post, which if I read it correctly was more addressed to how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil.

    The vast majority of my social and family contacts certainly are indoctrinated to hold ideas about race, gender, country and nation that I regard as absurd and profoundly warped (or are keeping cautiously quiet about it if they don’t), whereas a couple of generations ago the majority would have shared my own views, mostly. That situation has been changed, by indoctrination and social engineering, over a relatively short period of time. We now live in a world in which one of the primary establishment news outlets can editorialise sheer, internally contradictory nonsense such as: “smearing those who come to the US illegally as criminals”, without the vast majority of its readers even blinking, as they uncritically absorb it.

    Your proposals are fine as far as addressing one major aspect of the problem (ongoing mass immigration) is concerned. Or at least, they would be fine of there were any mainstream politicians who would be prepared to publicly endorse such a program. There are very few such politicians in the mainstream of politics, and the closer they come to it the more marginalised they are from the mainstream positions of power.

    So even as a call to political action, your suggestion is almost impossible to implement without moving to openly support fringe, demonised “extremist” candidates. How useful that is remains to be seen.

    But it has little bearing on how to actually live one’s life and raise a family in the warped societies of the modern US sphere. Charles Erwin Wilson II criticises doomsayers, not unreasonably, for failing to act, but we do need to be clear-eyed about the sheer scale of the problem if we are to find ways to address it.

    There need to be ways for people of the dissident right to network, to socialise and to provide mutual personal and business support in the real world, not just in theoretical and anonymous online discussion forums. But the left actively seeks to disrupt and destroy any such networks as soon as they are identified (see for instance the response to the London Conference on Intelligence recently), and too many on the right are far too quick to join in demonization of “racists” and “anti-Semites”, and other politically incorrect traditionalists and patriots, and thus enable the left’s domination of the terms of political discourse.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "... how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil."
     
    I was once a conservative who worked in a television production company in NYC while getting my MBA ... talk about a tough closet to come out of, and I didn't. I suspect my friends knew my views, but I never confirmed them. We talked TV, music, arts, literature and sports. But if they veered into the politics behind any of that, I didn't hesitate to say I was going to play Devil's advocate, and I never made it personal. That's the best one can hope for.

    I do not agree that we on the whole are a minority in most of the country ... Flyover Country... but certainly in big pockets on the coasts and major urban centers.

    But to the point, we are dealing with people who do see us as evil. Given the chance, they would send us to the Gulag. The only way deal with that is to fight fire with fire. They themselves are the forces of evil, either unwittingly due to misplaced compassion, or willingly out of hatred for us. We can have no compromise with these people in the hopes that they will like or respect us.

    They must be resisted like the Churchillian resolve to fight on the beaches, land, sea, and air, and much like we did the Pacific in WW2, they must be reduced to pockets that can be more readily managed within the Constitutional order.

    That translates to public policy imperatives that go beyond the mere discussion on immigration: It means, for example, no more relocation of urban poor to the countryside and small-town America, and all illegals who can't be removed contained to the big cities. IOW, keep the Electoral College at all costs.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    Exactly, Randal, but how? Even finding one or two people who agree with us, and are willing to admit it, is difficult.
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  35. @Randal
    I think proposing a political programme as you do here rather misses the point of TSMB's post, which if I read it correctly was more addressed to how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil.

    The vast majority of my social and family contacts certainly are indoctrinated to hold ideas about race, gender, country and nation that I regard as absurd and profoundly warped (or are keeping cautiously quiet about it if they don't), whereas a couple of generations ago the majority would have shared my own views, mostly. That situation has been changed, by indoctrination and social engineering, over a relatively short period of time. We now live in a world in which one of the primary establishment news outlets can editorialise sheer, internally contradictory nonsense such as: "smearing those who come to the US illegally as criminals", without the vast majority of its readers even blinking, as they uncritically absorb it.

    Your proposals are fine as far as addressing one major aspect of the problem (ongoing mass immigration) is concerned. Or at least, they would be fine of there were any mainstream politicians who would be prepared to publicly endorse such a program. There are very few such politicians in the mainstream of politics, and the closer they come to it the more marginalised they are from the mainstream positions of power.

    So even as a call to political action, your suggestion is almost impossible to implement without moving to openly support fringe, demonised "extremist" candidates. How useful that is remains to be seen.

    But it has little bearing on how to actually live one's life and raise a family in the warped societies of the modern US sphere. Charles Erwin Wilson II criticises doomsayers, not unreasonably, for failing to act, but we do need to be clear-eyed about the sheer scale of the problem if we are to find ways to address it.

    There need to be ways for people of the dissident right to network, to socialise and to provide mutual personal and business support in the real world, not just in theoretical and anonymous online discussion forums. But the left actively seeks to disrupt and destroy any such networks as soon as they are identified (see for instance the response to the London Conference on Intelligence recently), and too many on the right are far too quick to join in demonization of "racists" and "anti-Semites", and other politically incorrect traditionalists and patriots, and thus enable the left's domination of the terms of political discourse.

    “… how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil.”

    I was once a conservative who worked in a television production company in NYC while getting my MBA … talk about a tough closet to come out of, and I didn’t. I suspect my friends knew my views, but I never confirmed them. We talked TV, music, arts, literature and sports. But if they veered into the politics behind any of that, I didn’t hesitate to say I was going to play Devil’s advocate, and I never made it personal. That’s the best one can hope for.

    I do not agree that we on the whole are a minority in most of the country … Flyover Country… but certainly in big pockets on the coasts and major urban centers.

    But to the point, we are dealing with people who do see us as evil. Given the chance, they would send us to the Gulag. The only way deal with that is to fight fire with fire. They themselves are the forces of evil, either unwittingly due to misplaced compassion, or willingly out of hatred for us. We can have no compromise with these people in the hopes that they will like or respect us.

    They must be resisted like the Churchillian resolve to fight on the beaches, land, sea, and air, and much like we did the Pacific in WW2, they must be reduced to pockets that can be more readily managed within the Constitutional order.

    That translates to public policy imperatives that go beyond the mere discussion on immigration: It means, for example, no more relocation of urban poor to the countryside and small-town America, and all illegals who can’t be removed contained to the big cities. IOW, keep the Electoral College at all costs.

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    I do not agree that we on the whole are a minority in most of the country … Flyover Country… but certainly in big pockets on the coasts and major urban centers.
     
    Depends what you mean by "we" I suppose.

    In reality, imo, traditionalists with strong opinions certainly are in the minority, but so are genuine radical leftists. The difference is that the radical left has a firm grip on the media and other megaphones that enable them to manipulate the fundamentally uninterested majority. They hold the academic, educational, media, political and business high ground, and most people either meekly swallow their indoctrination or they see the way the land is lying and choose to go along with the high ground holders. The louder they can pretend to be true believers, the better for their social and career prospects.

    But to the point, we are dealing with people who do see us as evil. Given the chance, they would send us to the Gulag. The only way deal with that is to fight fire with fire. They themselves are the forces of evil, either unwittingly due to misplaced compassion, or willingly out of hatred for us. We can have no compromise with these people in the hopes that they will like or respect us.

    They must be resisted like the Churchillian resolve to fight on the beaches, land, sea, and air, and much like we did the Pacific in WW2, they must be reduced to pockets that can be more readily managed within the Constitutional order.
     
    But the "they" you refer to there have the support of most of the sheep, in most non-rural regions of the US and UK. Our neighbours, work and business associates and family.

    As you yourself admitted, you were careful "never to confirm" your views when you were vulnerable, because of the likely consequences.

    I'd say that there is a place for ringing declarations of resistance, and there is a place for cautious subversion, and many by virtue of their location or employment or family position are in the latter place rather than the former.
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  36. Big Bill says:
    @Classical Liberal
    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by "race realists".

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html
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    Consider the demographics of the jurisdiction.

    Compare them with http://www.25crime.com/sitemenu.aspx?ID=657&P=wanteds& or https://www.crimestoppersgno.org/cases/most-wanted/
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  37. We’re cool about “catch and release”,
    But for anglers, not border police.
    Time to stop “playing nice”.
    No more fooling us twice:
    Place in pan, set to “fry”, and add grease.

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    Greasers can fry in their own grease.
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  38. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    The NYTimes lets the mask slip more than a little bit in the linked-to editorial.

    There’s a great moment where they lie with statistics to suggest that 62% of Americans want current or increased levels of immigration, and therefore would be happy to impose none of the restrictions that President Trump suggests (i.e. cutting chain migration) while increasing skills-based migration. Of course, they omit to state that according to the same Gallup poll 73% of Americans would be happy if the total amount of immigration stayed the same or decreased, not increased. Decrease is 11% more popular than increase, in fact.

    They’re just arguing in bad faith.

    President Trump is much smarter than the NYTimes and has cottoned to the fact that a working majority of Americans would be relatively content with a modest decrease in net numbers, a substantial change in mix to improve quality and cultural compatibility, and an end to rampant illegality.

    That the House minority leader sees fit to give an impassioned 8 hour speech against the sort of common sense, moderate position that would have seemed perfectly normal coming from the mouth of, say, Bill Clinton shows just how far we’ve descended into Clown Universe.

    I expand at further length here: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/08/how-to-lies-with-statistics-nytimes-edition/

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  39. Brutusale says:
    @Classical Liberal
    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by "race realists".

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html

    Got anything from the past couple years? In 2010 they were still self-deporting due to the 2008 crash.

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  40. @Randal
    I think proposing a political programme as you do here rather misses the point of TSMB's post, which if I read it correctly was more addressed to how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil.

    The vast majority of my social and family contacts certainly are indoctrinated to hold ideas about race, gender, country and nation that I regard as absurd and profoundly warped (or are keeping cautiously quiet about it if they don't), whereas a couple of generations ago the majority would have shared my own views, mostly. That situation has been changed, by indoctrination and social engineering, over a relatively short period of time. We now live in a world in which one of the primary establishment news outlets can editorialise sheer, internally contradictory nonsense such as: "smearing those who come to the US illegally as criminals", without the vast majority of its readers even blinking, as they uncritically absorb it.

    Your proposals are fine as far as addressing one major aspect of the problem (ongoing mass immigration) is concerned. Or at least, they would be fine of there were any mainstream politicians who would be prepared to publicly endorse such a program. There are very few such politicians in the mainstream of politics, and the closer they come to it the more marginalised they are from the mainstream positions of power.

    So even as a call to political action, your suggestion is almost impossible to implement without moving to openly support fringe, demonised "extremist" candidates. How useful that is remains to be seen.

    But it has little bearing on how to actually live one's life and raise a family in the warped societies of the modern US sphere. Charles Erwin Wilson II criticises doomsayers, not unreasonably, for failing to act, but we do need to be clear-eyed about the sheer scale of the problem if we are to find ways to address it.

    There need to be ways for people of the dissident right to network, to socialise and to provide mutual personal and business support in the real world, not just in theoretical and anonymous online discussion forums. But the left actively seeks to disrupt and destroy any such networks as soon as they are identified (see for instance the response to the London Conference on Intelligence recently), and too many on the right are far too quick to join in demonization of "racists" and "anti-Semites", and other politically incorrect traditionalists and patriots, and thus enable the left's domination of the terms of political discourse.

    Exactly, Randal, but how? Even finding one or two people who agree with us, and are willing to admit it, is difficult.

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    Don't know. I'm still looking for an answer.

    One way to at least start to move in the right direction is probably to stop slagging each other off for being the wrong kinds of traditionalist rightwingers - "racists" slinging abuse at "antisemites" and vice versa, "homophobes" slinging abuse at "islamophobes" and vice versa, conservatives abusing "neo-Nazi larpers" etc. There needs to be a general recognition within the political right (at least the honest dissident part of it) that traditionalist Americans and Brits are entitled to be grumpy about traditional out groups such as blacks, gays and jews without thereby becoming outcasts from the traditionalist team.

    I couldn't bring myself to associate with eg Britain First (the group Trump recently got into trouble over for retweeting), for instance, because they are rabidly pro-Israeli (because they think anybody who fights musims is alright by them, even though Israel is a foreign country and the jewish record on British/US loyalty and mass immigration is hardly unblemished) and would therefore dismiss my moderately grumpy views on jewish lobbying as anti-Semitism. I can't identify with UKIP because they are subordinate to mainstream leftist views on "racists", "homophobes" and "anti-Semites". Etc, etc.

    But building a big tent movement based upon grumpy traditionalism would have to be about more than just quelling the infighting. And it would face severe legal and violent leftist and identity lobby harassment from the start.
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  41. @Greasy William
    Just cause things are bad in your neighborhood doesn't mean you need to subject us to your "we are doomed!" bullshit. We don't care about your suffering and we aren't interested in your opinion.

    Trump is flawed and there is no reason to believe that he is going to solve the demographic problems that have been building in this country for over 50 years now. Even if Trump manages to pass something like the RAISE Act, and he probably won't, all that would do is slow down our demographic displacement, not halt or reverse it.

    On top of that, many whites are not waking up and some are even doubling down on the crazy as the Left becomes ever more unhinged. The media, big business and the Deep State remain implacably opposed to us and will continue to fight us with all their might. There is very little public support for restricting legal immigration, even among Trump supporters.

    Now that all that is settled, do you really think we don't know all of that? Do you really think that you are just so insightful that you can see these things and we are just delusional Pollyannas who can't see the big picture?

    We know how bad our situation is. We know that Trump is no savior and that this is going to be a long war. But we also know that ever since Trump came down that escalator in 2015 that we have finally started fighting back. It is true that in many ways the progress that we have made over the last 2.5 years amounts to nothing more than a small start, but a small start is still a start, and that's what really matters.

    The DREAM Act is dead, refugee admissions are down by 70%, BLM is finished, mainstream Senate Republicans are publicly on board with reductions to legal immigration and we've got cucks like Kevin McCarthy saying that our unity is more important than diversity. This doesn't mean that we're winning or that we have the upper hand. We aren't winning and we don't have the upper hand. And the Trump supporters here are fully aware of this. But it does mean that we are on the right path. That is what is really important and that is what you are missing.

    So please: just shut the hell up.

    You may be correct. But your final sentence was remarkably unhelpful… what was the point of that?

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    To let everyone know how smart and awesome he is.
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  42. @jcd1974
    Meanwhile the prosecutor's more offended by Trump's comments than by the fact that if immigration laws were enforced two men would still be alive.

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/prosecutor-rips-trumps-ghoulish-comments-after-colt-players-death/

    “Meanwhile the prosecutor’s more offended by Trump’s comments than by the fact that if immigration laws were enforced two men would still be alive.”

    Barack Obama never made a political issue of a death. Sarcasm off.

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  43. @Classical Liberal
    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by "race realists".

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html
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    It isn't just the US. Think of poor Canada:

    http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php

    35 total murderers. 3 (2?) white.

    Toronto must be only 8-9% white nowadays. Either that or the Canadian cops are stone racist, right?
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  44. President Trump must start sending out GOP leaders to pound Pelosi and Schumer on illegal immigration and mass legal immigration. Trump can carry the GOP dolts over the finish line in the midterms if he walks away from the illegal alien amnesty scam deal with the Democrats.

    Make the midterms about sovereignty. Who gets to decide United States immigration policy? Citizens of the United States or arrogant invader foreigners?

    Tell the people that the Democrats are siding with the arrogant invader foreigners against the citizens of the United States.

    Illegal alien invaders are a clear and present danger to the safety, security and sovereignty of the United States.

    Sovereignty: rightful power to rule

    The rightful claimant to the power to decide immigration policy in the United States is the citizens of the United States and their government. Arrogant invader foreigners should have no say whatsoever over immigration policy in the United States.

    President Trump has a winning political message that White women and many others will respond to. If President Trump makes a rotten, corrupt amnesty for illegal aliens deal with the Democrats, he will have done the United States grave damage.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS

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  46. @Anonymous
    The public is currently less favorable to new restrictions than it was during the mid-1990s and right after 9/11.

    The economy is "good" for the upper-middle class, and "okay" for everyone else. Support for immigration cuts is correlated, and one of its causal factors, with a bad economy. The immigration laws passed during the 1920s were the result of a severe recession that occurred after the end of WW1.

    Most conservatives are very scared of engaging on identitarian terms. Of the major pundits, only Ann Coulter does openly, even Tucker Carlson is still hiding in the civic closet.

    The immigration laws passed during the 1920s were the result of a severe recession that occurred after the end of WW1.

    No, they were the result of people freaking out when the findings of the 1920 Census were released and showed that, for the first time in history, the US urban population outnumbered the rural population. When the citizenry actually sees vast demographic shifts in real time, as now, they act to put on the brakes.

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  47. nebulafox says:

    >Seriously, the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate.

    Sometimes, the best strategy is the simplest one-make them be as loud and honest as possible. Force them to reveal they, in effect, want open borders. It doesn’t matter if they, in private, don’t specifically want that and just want some vague mass immigration policy, because by enforcing their suggestion in practice to its logical conclusion-that the United States has no moral right to choose who and who does not come in-that is what we’ll end up having, and most voters know it.

    Bush II’s immigration proposal in 2004 would have allowed any foreigner anywhere in the world to legally immigrate to America if he accepted a minimum-wage job here that “no American could fill”, assuming, of course, that businesses wouldn’t take advantage of that and go to all lengths to ensure American workers were “unacceptable” for one reason or another. (Anybody with experience with the H2-B visa program will know how this one works. Apparently, employers having to… compete like anyone else is against the market or something. I don’t know, I have better things to do than listen to the many ramblings of Mitch McConnell.) This would have effectively made our minimum wage into our maximum wage. Needless to say, as far as basic societal order is concerned, this was an utterly insane idea that only didn’t become legislative material after the GOP leadership at the time-not exactly squeamish on screwing American workers themselves-literally pleaded with him for months not to do it.

    So, if the Democrats want to take that up, let them: and let them reap the outcome at the polls. And since they want to make it into a matter of morality rather than economics, so much the better: because if there is one thing most voters hate, it is a bunch of preening, out-of-touch, six-digit salaried left-wing intellectuals dressing up their economic dispossession and the oligarch’s profits into a matter of historical justice and necessity, with the implicit suggestion that you are “racist” if you merely want to… actually have a good living. All while they yuck it up with the hired help serving them in their well out-of-the-way suburbs. When I think of the kind of propaganda I could make out of this! *Sigh…*

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  48. @Inquiring Mind
    Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular. It seems that every time such a thing comes up in Congress, people, some people at least, "light up the switchboards" of Congress. Why do think Mr. Schumer got religion so quickly in the recent shutdown?

    If George W Bush couldn't get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted, what makes people think Donald Trump will do such a thing? He might abandon his campaign promises and compromise on this issue, but what makes people think he would get farther with this than Mr. Bush?

    The immigration issue may not prevent Republicans from losing seats or even control of one or both houses of Congress, but what makes people think this will go farther than, say, when President Obama had his 60-vote Senate majority?

    “If George W Bush couldn’t get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted”

    Where did you get the idea that W “badly wanted” any immigration reform that didn’t please his BFFL Fox?

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  49. @24AheadDotCom
    "the longer the Democrats talk about immigration, disclosing ever more accurately what’s really on their minds, the better Trump will do with the electorate."

    Ah, the ol' "4d chess" gambit. First of all, that assumes that most don't know where the Dems stand on the issue. That's patently false. It also assumes - perhaps through osmosis - that those who side with the Dems unwittingly (the great majority) are going to suddenly say "basta!" That's not going to happen just by showing the Dems doing what Dems do.

    Further, the "4d chess" scam assumes that Trump is very smart, that Trump is actually against amnesty, and that Trump wants to undercut the Dems. None of those are true. But, if all of them are true, then Trump would be doing something entirely different. Instead, he tweets things like "Start pushing Nancy Pelosi and the Dems to work out a DACA fix, NOW!"

    If Trump were very smart, then he'd be able to develop on his own the arguments I've already developed that'd greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he'd use those arguments.

    Polls show 70% to 80% support DACA amnesty. Yes, they're biased, but that's part of the problem. No one with a megaphone is trying to reach out to those 70-80% who've been duped. Instead, Trump's a cheerleader for amnesty. "Ah knows the polls is lyin'" isn't an adequate response, since obviously most have fallen for the lies. No one with a megaphone is trying to correct the lies and few are pushing for Trump and his proxies to correct the lies to those who've been taken in.

    There are arguments that'd greatly undercut Dem leaders to their base and they'll fit in a tweet. Those who truly oppose amnesty should demand that Trump and his proxies use them (I've already written them, but if they don't know them then use that against them: take out the trash.

    “If Trump were very smart, then he’d be able to develop on his own the arguments I’ve already developed that’d greatly harm Pelosi to her base over amnesty. If Trump were actually opposed to amnesty and actually wanted to harm the Dems, then he’d use those arguments.”

    Yes, those are some big “IFs”. They’re like the Mount Rushmore of “IFs”.

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  50. @The Alarmist

    "I’m eager to know what specific plan you have in mind. Please be specific."
     
    Easy peasy!

    No DACA deal.
    No more amnesty.
    No chain migration.
    No more birthright citizenship (seriously, do an EO today just to get the issue litigated once and for all).
    Require re-certification by all employers of all employee I-9s with e-verify. Jail employer CEOs of firms that employ more than two illegals (three-strikes).
    Start rounding people up at HomeDepot and Walmart parking lots if they can't produce valid papers.
    Start visiting pretty much every restaurant in major cities to verify documentation of kitchen staff.
    Check tax roles for former net-taxpayers who paid more than $10,000 now receing a refund owing largely to EITC (an illegal started using my SSN to do this while I lived abroad)
    Deport immediately any illegal detained for any crime less than a capital crime
    Look for, round up, and deport the rest. Put those who cannot be immediately adjudicated in one of Sheriff Joe's Tent Cities.

    All of that is very good. Now, how do we get Trump on board for all of it? I know that some of it is at work now, but it does appear that all of it is within Trump’s power as president. BTW, someone was using my SSN and had gotten the birthdate changed in the files. It was a hard slog getting it fixed, so I’m sure it happens a lot more than we know.

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  51. Randal says:
    @Joseph Doaks
    Exactly, Randal, but how? Even finding one or two people who agree with us, and are willing to admit it, is difficult.

    Don’t know. I’m still looking for an answer.

    One way to at least start to move in the right direction is probably to stop slagging each other off for being the wrong kinds of traditionalist rightwingers – “racists” slinging abuse at “antisemites” and vice versa, “homophobes” slinging abuse at “islamophobes” and vice versa, conservatives abusing “neo-Nazi larpers” etc. There needs to be a general recognition within the political right (at least the honest dissident part of it) that traditionalist Americans and Brits are entitled to be grumpy about traditional out groups such as blacks, gays and jews without thereby becoming outcasts from the traditionalist team.

    I couldn’t bring myself to associate with eg Britain First (the group Trump recently got into trouble over for retweeting), for instance, because they are rabidly pro-Israeli (because they think anybody who fights musims is alright by them, even though Israel is a foreign country and the jewish record on British/US loyalty and mass immigration is hardly unblemished) and would therefore dismiss my moderately grumpy views on jewish lobbying as anti-Semitism. I can’t identify with UKIP because they are subordinate to mainstream leftist views on “racists”, “homophobes” and “anti-Semites”. Etc, etc.

    But building a big tent movement based upon grumpy traditionalism would have to be about more than just quelling the infighting. And it would face severe legal and violent leftist and identity lobby harassment from the start.

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  52. AndrewR says:
    @Joseph Doaks
    You may be correct. But your final sentence was remarkably unhelpful... what was the point of that?

    To let everyone know how smart and awesome he is.

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  53. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    We're cool about "catch and release",
    But for anglers, not border police.
    Time to stop "playing nice".
    No more fooling us twice:
    Place in pan, set to "fry", and add grease.

    Greasers can fry in their own grease.

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  54. @Big Bill
    Look at this page:

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
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    You sold me, dude. The demographics suck. No more Mexicans.
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  55. @Classical Liberal
    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by "race realists".

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/TX.html

    You are correct. Also, “race realists” are in denial about how much Trump is cucked – he wants black approval so he’s willing to look the other way at black dysfunction and crime

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  56. @Joe, Averaged
    All good points, and I’ve read your blog and your argument is sound. However, you are dealing with people with religious beliefs. They believe that immigration is an unlimited good - explaining that it deprives countries of good workers does not work - I’ve tried it. At best, they will turn oddly nationalist and say it is good for our country. At worst, they will call you a racist and try to have you blackballed.

    When someone calls you a racist and you aren’t, point out a) you aren’t, b) they don’t know you, c) they using an ad hom, and d) they’re trying to stifle debate. Don’t ever repeat their smears or engage in all the other idiotic actions most do such as “some of my best friends”, etc. Ask them to detail their proposed non-racist immigration policy now and in the future. They’ll either not come up with anything and you can then point out they aren’t serious and don’t understand the issue, or they’ll come up with a plan that won’t work and you can show how it won’t work. You can also point to how they aren’t credible on other things (which is usually the case).

    I’m fairly certain that if Pelosi etc were “cross-examined” and forced to admit that more immigration leads to more braindrain that’s something that could be used against her over and over and would cause enough of those who’ve been duped to at least go neutral on the issue. You could watch a hundred hours of CNN on immigration and not hear about braindrain, and I’d guess the vast majority of Americans don’t realize it’s involved in the so-called debate.

    There are also other arguments besides braindrain, like increased competition for college slots and discounts.

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  57. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Yeah, I don't know why we haven't elected you Pope and Emperor already. If you were king of the universe we'd all have a villa on the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

    Charles Erwin Wilson II (upv , ): your comment is yet another worthless smear. I’m trying to stop amnesty, those like you are enabling it.

    If you support Trump’s amnesty because it has Trump’s name on it (even though it’s the same amnesty Obama, GWB, Hillary, and all the rest would have pushed) and you support the full amnesty for countless millions of illegal aliens Trump wants after DACA amnesty, then just admit it.

    If you oppose amnesty, then you’re doing it wrong. I want to stop Trump’s amnesty by making it a CLM for his proxies and top supporters. I want Trump and his proxies to – instead of promoting amnesty – make smart arguments that’ll undercut Dem leaders to their base. If you have or know of a better plan to stop Trump’s amnesty, then post it.

    If you oppose amnesty but don’t have or know of a better plan, then explain why you’re smearing my plan. Are you putting your hurt feelings over something before what’s best for the USA?

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  58. donut says:
    @TheBoom
    Steve is assuming too much sanity from voters and too much awareness. Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what. Single women are fighting the Patriarchy. Jews will be Jews and affluent professionals will fight the Deplorables. Many conservatives still want to be nice and be considered fair as long as they live in white areas and don't have deal with the high costs in terms of community impact. At this point, demographic shifts render mute the debate.

    ” Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what.”

    Not all of them. I have a young (well 30 something) female friend who was sympathetic to Trump’s message if not the man . But she is an exception . She can be a hard ass too . I used to tease her that none of her boyfriends ever got through the probationary period . No slack was cut , no time was wasted .

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  59. @TheBoom
    Steve is assuming too much sanity from voters and too much awareness. Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what. Single women are fighting the Patriarchy. Jews will be Jews and affluent professionals will fight the Deplorables. Many conservatives still want to be nice and be considered fair as long as they live in white areas and don't have deal with the high costs in terms of community impact. At this point, demographic shifts render mute the debate.

    This is the latest shill tactic: black pilling the readers into thinking that our struggle is hopeless.

    If China and Israel can deport their invaders, then so can we.

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  60. @Anonymous
    Refugees are also supposed to be temporary. When the war is over they are to return to their homeland.

    Asylum is also supposed to be sought in the nearest "safe country", not a gullible Nordic welfare state.

    True. But we were discussing amnesty, not refuge. Both are inadvisable, but they’ re distinct policies, and inadvisable for different reasons. (And common reasons, too. There is no shortage of reasons.)

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  61. Randal says:
    @The Alarmist

    "... how to approach normal life as basically a minority political dissident in a society mostly consisting of indoctrinated drones who regard your views and pretty much everything you value as deluded at best and at root evil."
     
    I was once a conservative who worked in a television production company in NYC while getting my MBA ... talk about a tough closet to come out of, and I didn't. I suspect my friends knew my views, but I never confirmed them. We talked TV, music, arts, literature and sports. But if they veered into the politics behind any of that, I didn't hesitate to say I was going to play Devil's advocate, and I never made it personal. That's the best one can hope for.

    I do not agree that we on the whole are a minority in most of the country ... Flyover Country... but certainly in big pockets on the coasts and major urban centers.

    But to the point, we are dealing with people who do see us as evil. Given the chance, they would send us to the Gulag. The only way deal with that is to fight fire with fire. They themselves are the forces of evil, either unwittingly due to misplaced compassion, or willingly out of hatred for us. We can have no compromise with these people in the hopes that they will like or respect us.

    They must be resisted like the Churchillian resolve to fight on the beaches, land, sea, and air, and much like we did the Pacific in WW2, they must be reduced to pockets that can be more readily managed within the Constitutional order.

    That translates to public policy imperatives that go beyond the mere discussion on immigration: It means, for example, no more relocation of urban poor to the countryside and small-town America, and all illegals who can't be removed contained to the big cities. IOW, keep the Electoral College at all costs.

    I do not agree that we on the whole are a minority in most of the country … Flyover Country… but certainly in big pockets on the coasts and major urban centers.

    Depends what you mean by “we” I suppose.

    In reality, imo, traditionalists with strong opinions certainly are in the minority, but so are genuine radical leftists. The difference is that the radical left has a firm grip on the media and other megaphones that enable them to manipulate the fundamentally uninterested majority. They hold the academic, educational, media, political and business high ground, and most people either meekly swallow their indoctrination or they see the way the land is lying and choose to go along with the high ground holders. The louder they can pretend to be true believers, the better for their social and career prospects.

    But to the point, we are dealing with people who do see us as evil. Given the chance, they would send us to the Gulag. The only way deal with that is to fight fire with fire. They themselves are the forces of evil, either unwittingly due to misplaced compassion, or willingly out of hatred for us. We can have no compromise with these people in the hopes that they will like or respect us.

    They must be resisted like the Churchillian resolve to fight on the beaches, land, sea, and air, and much like we did the Pacific in WW2, they must be reduced to pockets that can be more readily managed within the Constitutional order.

    But the “they” you refer to there have the support of most of the sheep, in most non-rural regions of the US and UK. Our neighbours, work and business associates and family.

    As you yourself admitted, you were careful “never to confirm” your views when you were vulnerable, because of the likely consequences.

    I’d say that there is a place for ringing declarations of resistance, and there is a place for cautious subversion, and many by virtue of their location or employment or family position are in the latter place rather than the former.

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  62. Big Bill says:
    @Hare Krishna
    Consider the demographics of the jurisdiction.

    Compare them with http://www.25crime.com/sitemenu.aspx?ID=657&P=wanteds& or https://www.crimestoppersgno.org/cases/most-wanted/

    You sold me, dude. The demographics suck. No more Mexicans.

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  63. Big Bill says:
    @William Badwhite
    Totally agree. Check out all these honkies:

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/sexOffenders

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/stillWanted

    It isn’t just the US. Think of poor Canada:

    http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php

    35 total murderers. 3 (2?) white.

    Toronto must be only 8-9% white nowadays. Either that or the Canadian cops are stone racist, right?

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  64. Big Bill says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    Immigration amnesty is just not all that popular. It seems that every time such a thing comes up in Congress, people, some people at least, "light up the switchboards" of Congress. Why do think Mr. Schumer got religion so quickly in the recent shutdown?

    If George W Bush couldn't get a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that he badly wanted, what makes people think Donald Trump will do such a thing? He might abandon his campaign promises and compromise on this issue, but what makes people think he would get farther with this than Mr. Bush?

    The immigration issue may not prevent Republicans from losing seats or even control of one or both houses of Congress, but what makes people think this will go farther than, say, when President Obama had his 60-vote Senate majority?

    In January of 2005 George Bush announced a new immigration policy: “Willing Worker, Willing Employer”.

    Any foreigner who could find a US employer willing to hire him would be given a green card.

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  65. @donut
    " Non whites will vote democratic almost no matter what."

    Not all of them. I have a young (well 30 something) female friend who was sympathetic to Trump's message if not the man . But she is an exception . She can be a hard ass too . I used to tease her that none of her boyfriends ever got through the probationary period . No slack was cut , no time was wasted .

    Did she ever get married?

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    Not yet but she maybe close .
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  66. Jefferson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.
     
    Hispanics don't commit any crimes at all. Because they're only Hispanic when they're the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they're white.

    “Hispanics don’t commit any crimes at all. Because they’re only Hispanic when they’re the victim. When they perpetrate, suddenly they’re white”

    Also the only time DACA Dreamers are White is when one of them murders a Muslim woman during road rage. I remember that Dreamer from El Salvador who killed a Muslim woman was called a White supremacist Trump supporter by The Left. A White supremacist Trump supporter from El Salvador is an oxymoron.

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  67. Jefferson says:
    @Pat Kittle
    Jews long ago mastered that trick.

    Now if only Blacks can learn it...

    “Jews long ago mastered that trick.

    Now if only Blacks can learn it…

    It’s extremely hard to pass for White/Whitish when the average Black American is only 20% Caucasian. So they will NEVER “master that trick”.

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  68. MBlanc46 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    You defeatists are a tedious lot. We will win this, and you hapless saps will have not just sat on the sidelines, you will have been chanting that our success is impossible. And then, after all the hard work is done, and we win, you will say you were with us the whole way.

    Cowboy up spanky! Grab the rope and start pulling. Or admit that you are worse than dead weight.

    You cannot honestly sit this one out. If you won't help, get out of the way. And keep your doomsaying to yourself.

    Hear, hear!

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  69. donut says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Did she ever get married?

    Not yet but she maybe close .

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  70. MaMu1977 says: • Website
    @The Alarmist
    Where is BLM in all of this? Didn't this guy's life matter too?

    Hahaha noooo…

    BLM defends criminals, and only criminals. Don’t believe me, talk to Angelo Dundee, the man who was shot by cops (while lying prone on the ground) for the oh-so-sexy crime of protecting a mentally disabled man from harm. Or Jordan Crawford, who was shot in front of his son (by wedlock) for the crime of legally buying a gun in Wal-Mart. BLM rioted for the openly thuggish Slyville Smith, but forgot about Philandro Castile as soon as they learned that he was gainfully employed and (gasp, shock) beloved by the children.

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