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Here’s an excerpt from a new interview with 90-year-old novelist Jean Raspail. It appeared in French in Le Point and in English translation in Gallia Watch:

– Have you thought about a sequel to The Camp of the Saints?

– It is certain that there will be one, but not from me. Will it come out before the great collapse? I’m not sure.

– In your book you speak of the “ferocious” nature of the migrants. But we see today that those arriving from Syria or elsewhere don’t have a knife between their teeth…

– What’s happening today isn’t important, it’s anecdotal, for we are only at the beginning. Right now, the whole world is talking about this, there are thousands of specialists on the issue of migrants, it’s a chaos of commentary. Not one looks at the thirty-five years that lie ahead. The situation we are living through today is nothing compared to what awaits us in 2050. There will be nine billion people on the earth. Africa has gone from one hundred million to one billion inhabitants in a century, and perhaps twice that in 2050.

Here are the latest U.N. population forecasts for 2050 and 2100:

Will the world be livable? The overpopulation and the wars of religion will make the situation fragile. That’s when the invasion will occur, it is ineluctable. The migrants will come in great part from Africa, the Middle East and the borders of Asia…

– Should we fight the evil at the roots and bomb the strategic points of Daesh, as France has just done?

– It’s their problem not ours. It doesn’t concern us. What are we doing in this business? Why do we want to play a role? Let them cope! Years ago we got out of these regions? Why go back?

– And what do we do when Syria sends out orders to attack France?

– We block them. We prevent them from entering French territory. The politicians have no solution to this problem. It’s like the debt – we pass it on to our grandchildren. Our grandchildren will have to manage this problem of massive migration.

– The Catholic Church is not at all on this wave length. It is urging the faithful to show their generosity…

– I have written that Christian charity will suffer a bit when faced with the answers to the influx of migrants. It will have to steel itself and suppress compassion of all sorts. Otherwise, our countries will be submerged.

– Refuse everybody, including the Eastern Christians?

– Possibly. But they are closer to the Westerners through their religion. This is why many Frenchmen would like to accept them. France, this country with no religious belief, proves that the basis of Western civilization is a Christian basis. People, even if they don’t go to church anymore and or practice, react in accordance with this Christian basis.

 
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  1. Christianity sand Catholicism in particular has not had a problem with borders in the past. The proper order of charity beginning at home is Church doctrine. Frankly, Kevin macdonald is closer to the mark.

  2. I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They’re not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they’ll be exterminated otherwise.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Would be better to arm them and send them advisers and military support so they can carve out their own territory...it's pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
    But I agree...I'm opposed to mass immigration in general, but Christians and some other minorities have no states of their own in the region and face persecution or even extermination so the humanitarian thing to do would be to allow them resettlement to Western countries.
    I'm totally opposed to any mass migration of Sunni Muslims though.
    , @caveat elector
    Of course taking in the Eastern rite Christians is a way of exterminating them too, literally, from their ancestral identity. Afterward they'll be social-democratic consumer-capitalist Xians at best or maybe just part of the Pope's LGBT green Mickey Mouse club. Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential? Any rational immigration decisions are cost-benefit like this, refugee or not. In France or the UK they'll lead the lives of gray-market outsiders, which is better than being dead, nonetheless a failure as socialized cost-benefit judgment. In their homeland they'd most likely be killed by psycho Muslims. So their Kultur is on the threshold of eternity, which might be partially their own fault by the way, though no one asks pre-Christian Yezidis or Zoroastrians why they didn't set up a collection for some military assistance along the way. They've only had millenia to do so.

    The other possibility would be to punch in some coordinates for the highly automated, expensive U.S. war machine, the better to put some of the rowdier Mohammetans squarely in their place for a spell. But at this late hour it would probably only result in not so much attitude adjustment, lots of fresh bellyaching from the iSteve regulars & other special pleaders.

    , @AndrewR
    But they're rather swarthy and born outside the arbitrary borders of Europe, so all my hip WN friends tell me we shouldn't take any.
    , @Difference Maker
    That's too bad - the old Middle East will be extinguished for good
    , @Hail
    This was what the the crusades were about. Propping up exactly those Christians...in their own homelands.
  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Catholic Church is not at all on this wave length. It is urging the faithful to show their generosity…

    Then it’s the end of the Catholic Church. They’ve had a good innings but forget it, if the church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it’s curtains.

    I think we should accept Yazidis as well as Christians. No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.
     
    That's funny. There was a video of a muslim cleric in Jerusalem telling his followers that they were going to go to Europe and "breed" with the locals. So we could do a reverse of that and tell them we will take their single women and provide them with good husbands who will care for them. I imagine the refugee flow will dry up like the Sahara.
    , @Mark Caplan
    Then it’s the end of the Catholic Church.

    Just the opposite. The Church is securing its future by expanding into low IQ, fast-growing countries in the developing world where its merchandise is still highly valued.
    , @Hail

    If the [Roman Catholic] church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it’s curtains.
     
    Part riding Western suicidal coattails, part self-interested motivation. The Catholic Church itself certainly sees itself as in decline as an institution without (1) migration of poor Catholics to rich non-Catholic countries, and (2) being seen as on the side of the Third World where a huge majority of its members reside.
  4. “- Have you thought about a sequel to The Camp of the Saints?

    – It is certain that there will be one, but not from me. Will it come out before the great collapse? I’m not sure.”

    This is hilarious. I was thinking today of eventually writing not a sequel, but a remake of the Comedia, called “Comedy”, with Ezra Pound tentatively slotted for the role of Virgil. But this is a big project. If the “Camp of the Saints’ actually comes true, why bother?

    France is definitely a Christian country and the first daughter of the Church. They wouldn’t have tried to outdo Christianity with leftist dogmas (which have never been important in governing the country except when it was excessively centralized) if it hadn’t. Bring in the Arab Christians, and not the rest, and they will be OK.

  5. Germany is trying to solve the problem by returning to full-blown totalitarianism:
    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/09/it-takes-a-police-state-to-raise-a-child/

    • Replies: @caveat elector
    I'm just guessing, in a typical German social situation, when somebody's acting a little too uptight for the room, extending your arm at an upward angle and sarcastically blurting out "SIEG HEIL" doesn't draw much in the way of laughs?
  6. ACCEPT BLACK CHRISTIANS? –WHAT A JOKE.

    Race is what you are and immutable for generations to come.

    Religion is myth you believe one day and maybe shed the next.

    So if he is saying we must accept black Christians, then that is a problem. And if he is saying that Christianity is making people accept an alien invasion, then Christianity is the problem.

    See: jesusneverexisted.com

  7. Australia the last ration country. Tell the Donald go deport all Iranian asylum seekers.

    Iran, Australia say nuke deal is blueprint

    However she says the only deal being sought with Iran was to deal with the massive caseload of asylum seekers made worse by the previous Labor government.

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/iran-australia-say-nuke-deal-is-blueprint/story-fni0xqll-1227548329706

    • Replies: @neutral
    There are already some good candidates for sequels to Camp of the Saints:
    Mad Max
    The Road
    Soylent Green
    Fallout (if you are a gamer)
    , @caveat elector
    Iran is somewhat important as a 2nd-tier trade partner (Oz did not participate in the U.S./E.U. post-1996 terrorism sanctions until recent times, now following the U.N. lead on uranium enrichment sanctions). This had a side effect of Iranian "asylum seekers" who were always very unpopular-- there was a NY Times story about it posted here a few years ago.

    Sort of like American parties on the death penalty, Aussie political parties all pose as immigration hawks at least some of the time; Rudd as PM was dinged on this from within his ranks. Excepting the Greens of course, whose platform is pretty similar from Deutschland to Des Moines.

    , @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Funny that it's Danby who is critising bishop for cosying up with Iran, the guy is a Zionist who tried to get Australia to take Israels refugees.

    http://antonyloewenstein.com/2011/07/01/australia-ready-to-take-those-pesky-blacks-from-israel/
  8. @Percy Gryce
    I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They're not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they'll be exterminated otherwise.

    Would be better to arm them and send them advisers and military support so they can carve out their own territory…it’s pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
    But I agree…I’m opposed to mass immigration in general, but Christians and some other minorities have no states of their own in the region and face persecution or even extermination so the humanitarian thing to do would be to allow them resettlement to Western countries.
    I’m totally opposed to any mass migration of Sunni Muslims though.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce, Vendetta, Hail
    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    ...it’s pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
     
    Plus the Sunnis get away with trying to establish colonies in Europe. To use an English language idiom, the Sunnis get to have their cake and eat it too.
    , @neutral
    That is still a fatal policy to have, if say India descended into religious conflict you would have Muslims as the religious minority (100+ million of them). There are countless African countries full of various ethnic divisions, giving "minorities" special migration rights means you are talking about billions, more than there are people in Germany or even all white people on the planet. You either have a nation or you can try be more pious than Jesus, but you cannot have both.
    , @tairos
    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state. It'd be a mess suppressing or rooting out the Muslim presence at this juncture, but it wouldn't be inordinate next to the general backdrop of bloody chaos of the region.
  9. @Percy Gryce
    I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They're not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they'll be exterminated otherwise.

    Of course taking in the Eastern rite Christians is a way of exterminating them too, literally, from their ancestral identity. Afterward they’ll be social-democratic consumer-capitalist Xians at best or maybe just part of the Pope’s LGBT green Mickey Mouse club. Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential? Any rational immigration decisions are cost-benefit like this, refugee or not. In France or the UK they’ll lead the lives of gray-market outsiders, which is better than being dead, nonetheless a failure as socialized cost-benefit judgment. In their homeland they’d most likely be killed by psycho Muslims. So their Kultur is on the threshold of eternity, which might be partially their own fault by the way, though no one asks pre-Christian Yezidis or Zoroastrians why they didn’t set up a collection for some military assistance along the way. They’ve only had millenia to do so.

    The other possibility would be to punch in some coordinates for the highly automated, expensive U.S. war machine, the better to put some of the rowdier Mohammetans squarely in their place for a spell. But at this late hour it would probably only result in not so much attitude adjustment, lots of fresh bellyaching from the iSteve regulars & other special pleaders.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential?
     
    Actually, the assimilation potential for Eastern Christians is quite high in the U.S., the EU, South America, and Australia/New Zealand. First of all is a common Christian culture. Second, the Eastern Christians are on average more highly educated than their Muslim neighbors--due to their contacts with the West and their access to the religious universities and schools in the Mideast, often founded and staffed by Western Christians. Finally, there are hierarchical structures and communities already in place in the West. For example, there are half a million Melkite Greek Catholics (mostly Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Egypt) in Brazil and a 40+ year-old eparchy there. There are more than a 100,000 Chaldean Catholics (ethnic Assyrians, mostly from Iraq) in the U.S., concentrated to some extent around Detroit. The list goes on, but hopefully you get the idea.
    , @Salty
    I don't think most readers here have a problem with a punitive campaign sans any occupation. If its just going to be a CVN airwing / SOCOM shooting gallery I think everyone is OK with that.
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Right now, the whole world is talking about this, there are thousands of specialists on the issue of migrants, it’s a chaos of commentary. Not one looks at the thirty-five years that lie ahead.”

    I can think of one person who is looking at the 35 years that lie ahead. Steve, Is Jean Raspail familiar with you?

  11. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    In the end, nature wins.

    It’s like whatever mankind makes will eventually be devoured by nature.

    Notice that all roads begin to crack and weeds grow from them. Unless roads are maintained, they will return to nature.

    Same with humans vs humans.

    Nature will win.

    When Jack Johnson whupped white guys, the power of nature said Negroes were a physical and sexual threat to whites. Only the power of law, guns, culture, and unity among whites maintained white security.
    The only thing that could have saved the white race was nature because fear is a natural emotion, and it was white fear that used all those laws and guns to protect whites from blacks.
    The nature of race-ism and tribalism. Such should have united white folks and come up with some plan to separate blacks from whites on a permanent basis.

    But whites weren’t willing to go that far. Instead, they were under the power of high principles and ideals. These prevented the fulfillment of white nature for self-preservation.
    Because white tribal/survivalist nature was suppressed, it was only a matter of time before black nature would gain greater power over whites as blacks are more aggressive and stronger.

    And blacks got boost from another natural power. Jewish IQ. Jews are naturally smarter than whites and used their natural advantage to gain power over whites. Jews made sure that white nature for survival and security would remain suppressed, even shamed and reviled. Whites would be indoctrinated to believe that any healthy natural white desire for survival and security is a form of paranoia, hatred, sickness. (Now, would the Russians have survived the Nazi onslaught unless they were filled with such natural-national fears? It was out of fear of losing the motherland that the Russians fought so hard. And Stalin understood this, which is why he shifted to nationalist mode when Germans attacked. Initially, Russia was ‘spiritually’ vulnerable when the Nazis attacked cuz commie propaganda had suppressed Russian nationalism and even made Russians guilty for all their history of serfdom and Tsarism. Jewish communists had denigrated Russian culture like Jewish Libs later came to denigrate Anglo-American culture and history. But when the Germans came invading, Stalin figured to switch into full-blown Russian nationalist mode of survival. So, it was great and noble to fight proudly for the motherland and for Russian identity and culture.)

    Nature is brutal, so mankind created civilization against it. For civilization to work, much of nature must be repressed or suppressed. If people act too tribal and aggressive(according to nature), things remain violent and chaotic. But when civilization grows too highfalutin by suppressing too much of human nature, the community grows anemic and apathetic or goo-gooey. Consider the world of the Eternals in ZARDOZ.

    The world of Uther in EXCALIBUR is in tune with nature. Uther fights like a barbarian. He knows what he wants and gets it, even by rape and pillage. It’s an honest world but a crazy violent one that cannot create a workable order.

    Arthur creates a world of civilization. It’s where chivalry reigns and nature is checked by knights who live by the code than beastly lusts. So, even though Lancelot feels boing for Guinny, he represses his passion cuz of his loyalty to his king and values. But because nature is so suppressed in Arthur’s world in order to maintain the peace and stability, things become soulless and lacking in survivalist urgency.
    And people become over-obsessed with personal hangups than about basic matters of power and survival. Arthur neglects his responsibilities as ruler and loses himself in self-pity over his hurt feelings. And then the kingdom begins to fall.

    Nature is dangerous, but when a social community becomes overly divorced from nature, it’s only a matter of time before another people who are still in tune with nature will win over them. The latter may be barbaric, crazy, idiotic, and trashy, but there’s something elemental about them due to their unity with nature. Mexers may not be much as human capital, but they are one with nature in their hunger for American prosperity and in their having lots of kids. Negroes in Africa are nuts but they are one with nature in having lots of kids and having beastly lust for Europa. Muslims are one with nature in their aggressiveness, high birthrates, and lack of conscience.
    Surely, there are better ways to harness human nature, but even those with bad nature will win over those who completely reject their nature. Europeans and white Americans have rejected their natural will to survive, unite, and fight, and for white men and women to procreate to create more white folks. Thus, they are doomed to die.

    Nature can destroy but it is also the force and fuel behind any power. Civilization can harness nature to build something better than brute reality, but when civilization rejects its core nature, it is bound to die. It’s like a man operating only with mind and heart but with no balls and hormones.
    He will lose to the beast with balls and hormones. Having no balls and hormones of his own, the mind-and-heart man will see the beast only as a ‘victim’ in need of help. The balls-and-hormones man will devour the mind-and-heart man. An ideal society is one where mind-and-heart reigns but is also in tune with the nature of balls-and-hormones. (There is some balls-and-hormones among whites, but they are ‘cucked’ out for non-white purposes. Look at the dufus in THE AMERICAN SNIPER. He’s tough alright, but his warrior spirit has been diverted to hating Muslims in Iraq who pose no threat to his kind.)

    This is the future of Europe.

    Ball-less and soulless man’s fantasy that if he takes in the robust Negro, the Negro will be nice and support the white order.

    But the reality will be this:

    BEWARE OF OCCAM’S BONER.

  12. @George
    Australia the last ration country. Tell the Donald go deport all Iranian asylum seekers.

    Iran, Australia say nuke deal is blueprint

    However she says the only deal being sought with Iran was to deal with the massive caseload of asylum seekers made worse by the previous Labor government.

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/iran-australia-say-nuke-deal-is-blueprint/story-fni0xqll-1227548329706

    There are already some good candidates for sequels to Camp of the Saints:
    Mad Max
    The Road
    Soylent Green
    Fallout (if you are a gamer)

    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    Some good non-fiction on the subject too - check out James Howard Kunstlers 'The Long Emergency' Word of warning though, you may not sleep soundly again.
    , @Lagertha
    Children of Men. This movie had this interesting angle that ingested or inhaled pollutants cause mass infertility, and a sort of contagion that kills children (my opinion,) and that humans were incapable of reproducing. Of course, the heart throb (my opinion) Clive Owen, does everything in his power, until death, to save the last pregnant woman and later, her baby, and put them on a boat to "the Colony."

    Remember the scene in the abandoned school (they rest for a while just like Joseph & Mary) where they are alarmed by noise but it is only a deer wandering around? Nature has sort of taken over but we don't know whether reproduction is failing in animals.

    Also, wasn't it weirdly comical that in the final chaotic, fight scenes in the rubble of a city, Muslim men are still carrying their dead in some sort of ritual for burial? So, yeah, my theory is: Pollution, basic destruction of land and water, will get us all...maybe not in 30 years, but once everyone says: "Oh, where are all the scientists and smart people who must save our sorry asses from all this shit we created?" Jean and I will be long dead; my ashes thrown into the sea with my beloved dogs' ashes.

    Other movies: I am Legend; The Day the Earth Stood Still ( I thought John Cleese and Michael Caine (TDTESS) were very similar "professors" in these 2 movies, btw; Terminators; Godzilla; the countless zombie movies...

  13. @Anonymous

    The Catholic Church is not at all on this wave length. It is urging the faithful to show their generosity…
     
    Then it's the end of the Catholic Church. They've had a good innings but forget it, if the church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it's curtains.

    I think we should accept Yazidis as well as Christians. No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.

    No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.

    That’s funny. There was a video of a muslim cleric in Jerusalem telling his followers that they were going to go to Europe and “breed” with the locals. So we could do a reverse of that and tell them we will take their single women and provide them with good husbands who will care for them. I imagine the refugee flow will dry up like the Sahara.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
  14. Fear mongering trash. With white men acting like such scared sissies is it any wonder that white women prefer Men of Color?

  15. Raspail is aging really well. I hope I look that vigilant when I’m, like, a million.

    Granted, when I’m that age there will be half a dozen Mexicans crammed onto the bench next to me….

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?

    I'm impressed that Raspail is still alive and kicking, and glad that he can witness just a bit of the vindication which will be coming his way. Then again, he says: "our countries will be submerged." It's happening right now.

  16. @German_reader
    Would be better to arm them and send them advisers and military support so they can carve out their own territory...it's pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
    But I agree...I'm opposed to mass immigration in general, but Christians and some other minorities have no states of their own in the region and face persecution or even extermination so the humanitarian thing to do would be to allow them resettlement to Western countries.
    I'm totally opposed to any mass migration of Sunni Muslims though.

    …it’s pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.

    Plus the Sunnis get away with trying to establish colonies in Europe. To use an English language idiom, the Sunnis get to have their cake and eat it too.

  17. @German_reader
    Would be better to arm them and send them advisers and military support so they can carve out their own territory...it's pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
    But I agree...I'm opposed to mass immigration in general, but Christians and some other minorities have no states of their own in the region and face persecution or even extermination so the humanitarian thing to do would be to allow them resettlement to Western countries.
    I'm totally opposed to any mass migration of Sunni Muslims though.

    That is still a fatal policy to have, if say India descended into religious conflict you would have Muslims as the religious minority (100+ million of them). There are countless African countries full of various ethnic divisions, giving “minorities” special migration rights means you are talking about billions, more than there are people in Germany or even all white people on the planet. You either have a nation or you can try be more pious than Jesus, but you cannot have both.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I meant non-Islamic minorities like the Yazidis who literally don't have states of their own, anywhere...even though their culture is quite appallingly backwards in some ways, it would be pretty extreme to let them be genocided by Islamists.
    Obviously it would be very different with Indian Muslims in your hypothetical scenario...Pakistan's right there for them...shouldn't be our problem (even though it would be, of course).
  18. @German_reader
    Would be better to arm them and send them advisers and military support so they can carve out their own territory...it's pretty appalling that Sunni fanatics get away with ridding the region of Christians and other minorities.
    But I agree...I'm opposed to mass immigration in general, but Christians and some other minorities have no states of their own in the region and face persecution or even extermination so the humanitarian thing to do would be to allow them resettlement to Western countries.
    I'm totally opposed to any mass migration of Sunni Muslims though.

    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state. It’d be a mess suppressing or rooting out the Muslim presence at this juncture, but it wouldn’t be inordinate next to the general backdrop of bloody chaos of the region.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state.
     
    It's been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.
    , @Ed
    The minute Lebanon explicitly declares itself a Christian country it becomes Israel 2.0. Arab Muslims would focus attention on its removal.

    In fact I think that was one of the policy aims Israel had when it assisted the Christians in the Lebanese civil war, making it a Christian state.
  19. What do the pro-immigrants ever say to this? Does Bono let refugees live in his many houses? Is there a limit to allowing people into your country? Am I Hitler for asking these questions?

    Being self-righteous is fun. Hating on less righteous people is fun. Making a functional country is tedious and there’s not much opportunity for playing the savior.

    Praise be to George Clooney.

  20. @George
    Australia the last ration country. Tell the Donald go deport all Iranian asylum seekers.

    Iran, Australia say nuke deal is blueprint

    However she says the only deal being sought with Iran was to deal with the massive caseload of asylum seekers made worse by the previous Labor government.

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/iran-australia-say-nuke-deal-is-blueprint/story-fni0xqll-1227548329706

    Iran is somewhat important as a 2nd-tier trade partner (Oz did not participate in the U.S./E.U. post-1996 terrorism sanctions until recent times, now following the U.N. lead on uranium enrichment sanctions). This had a side effect of Iranian “asylum seekers” who were always very unpopular– there was a NY Times story about it posted here a few years ago.

    Sort of like American parties on the death penalty, Aussie political parties all pose as immigration hawks at least some of the time; Rudd as PM was dinged on this from within his ranks. Excepting the Greens of course, whose platform is pretty similar from Deutschland to Des Moines.

  21. Thank God no one people listened back in the day. Thousands of pretentious people would today be denied the chance to parade their smug moral vanity on Facebook.

  22. @Anonymous

    The Catholic Church is not at all on this wave length. It is urging the faithful to show their generosity…
     
    Then it's the end of the Catholic Church. They've had a good innings but forget it, if the church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it's curtains.

    I think we should accept Yazidis as well as Christians. No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.

    Then it’s the end of the Catholic Church.

    Just the opposite. The Church is securing its future by expanding into low IQ, fast-growing countries in the developing world where its merchandise is still highly valued.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Bringing up IQ when it's not remotely relevant to the topic makes it look like your IQ isn't all that high.
  23. I can remember reading Camp of the Saints in the 1980s – it was on National Review’s “100 books conservatives should read”. Then, I thought it was crazy and over-the-top. Now I see its fantasy come to life. BTW, has NR even mentioned Raspail (positively) in the last 15 years? I doubt it.

    7 Billion on planet earth and 500 million want to come to the USA and Europe. So when are people going to start thinking about this? Or it one of these things where we’ll have to suffer before people wake up. Assuming they ever do.

    Its like California, evidently, everyone’s cool with 80 million people living here in 2050. I mean, why not? As long you own beachfront property.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "...has NR even mentioned Raspail (positively) in the last 15 years?" William F. Buckley called The Camp of Saints "a great novel" in a July 23, 2004 article, "No Irish Need Apply: On the Cap Anamur and unwelcome people." So that was 11 years ago.
  24. @fnn
    Germany is trying to solve the problem by returning to full-blown totalitarianism:
    http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/09/it-takes-a-police-state-to-raise-a-child/

    I’m just guessing, in a typical German social situation, when somebody’s acting a little too uptight for the room, extending your arm at an upward angle and sarcastically blurting out “SIEG HEIL” doesn’t draw much in the way of laughs?

  25. @caveat elector
    Of course taking in the Eastern rite Christians is a way of exterminating them too, literally, from their ancestral identity. Afterward they'll be social-democratic consumer-capitalist Xians at best or maybe just part of the Pope's LGBT green Mickey Mouse club. Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential? Any rational immigration decisions are cost-benefit like this, refugee or not. In France or the UK they'll lead the lives of gray-market outsiders, which is better than being dead, nonetheless a failure as socialized cost-benefit judgment. In their homeland they'd most likely be killed by psycho Muslims. So their Kultur is on the threshold of eternity, which might be partially their own fault by the way, though no one asks pre-Christian Yezidis or Zoroastrians why they didn't set up a collection for some military assistance along the way. They've only had millenia to do so.

    The other possibility would be to punch in some coordinates for the highly automated, expensive U.S. war machine, the better to put some of the rowdier Mohammetans squarely in their place for a spell. But at this late hour it would probably only result in not so much attitude adjustment, lots of fresh bellyaching from the iSteve regulars & other special pleaders.

    Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential?

    Actually, the assimilation potential for Eastern Christians is quite high in the U.S., the EU, South America, and Australia/New Zealand. First of all is a common Christian culture. Second, the Eastern Christians are on average more highly educated than their Muslim neighbors–due to their contacts with the West and their access to the religious universities and schools in the Mideast, often founded and staffed by Western Christians. Finally, there are hierarchical structures and communities already in place in the West. For example, there are half a million Melkite Greek Catholics (mostly Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Egypt) in Brazil and a 40+ year-old eparchy there. There are more than a 100,000 Chaldean Catholics (ethnic Assyrians, mostly from Iraq) in the U.S., concentrated to some extent around Detroit. The list goes on, but hopefully you get the idea.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Back in the 1980s, I met a lot of Assyrian refugees from Iraq in Chicago. The younger generation seemed to made up entirely of pop culturized secular hedonists. But who would expect anything else?
  26. As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans’ Ark take them? The U.S., Canada, Russia, Australia…perhaps Argentina. And when they arrive they will have a little “-tude” concerning Third World migration.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Pacific Northwest
    , @Hrw-500
    And...South Africa, where Tom Kratman's in his dystopian novel "Caliphate" set in the 22th century mentionned then after a civil war in South Africa, lots of Europeans immigrated there, they re-installed apartheid. I wonder if Tom Kratman had read Siener Van Rensberg's prophecies? And could we consider "Caliphate" as a de-facto sequel to Camp of the Saints? One reviewer on Amazon.com thought so.
    , @AnotherDad

    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans’ Ark take them?
     
    It's a terrible thing. Europe is the white homeland that could still be preserved. I love the USA and my personal heimat in Iowa, where my ancestors farmed the soil and birthed my parents. (Love going back when i can for the harvest.) But the USA is already down to near 50% white in births and the cosmopolitan hostiles are firmly in charge. Without separation the future here is baked-in bleak.

    The non-white populations in Europe are still relatively low--the ugly "diversity" mostly confined to some cities.

    If these guys wised up ... now! ... they could still save these lands. These are white folks historic homelands and need to be preserved. So what's happening right now--instead of wising up a kool-aid drinking collapse--is a calamity.
  27. Nothing is going to change as long as the types of people that visit sites like this think of things like a TV show. Instead of seeking entertainment – whether a sequel to CotS or a Coulter column or a performance by The Donald – work to change things.

    Realize that bad things happen because people in power (e.g. Obama) put them into motion, and they’re aided by those further down the chain (e.g. @DLind). Obama needs the @DLind types to get his way, but so far no one who gets widespread support is willing or able to discredit those like @DLind. As a result, bad things keep happening.

    Have some pride, learn to do things.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    Personally the high cost to myself of doing anything isn't worth battling the astronomical odds against us. I can either spend my life miserable working towards a fate that has a 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance of occurring, or I can sit back and enjoy life. Not a tough choice for me.

  28. Should we fight the evil at the roots and bomb the strategic points of Daesh, as France has just done?

    This is something I’ve been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That’s pretty strange given they are just about the most evil people in the world these days who have organized themselves into a government and army. By contrast we were dropping the biggest conventional bombs ever on the less-bad Taliban. Raqqa has been the HQ of ISIS for a while and we should have flattened it by now. ISIS reduced Kobani to rubble, but we have not responded in kind to this provocation.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's not about whether they're evil, it's about whether bombing them serves our national interests. Why are we supporting Saudia Arabia, with its beheadings and refusal to let people practice any non-Islamic religion?

    We have no dog in this fight.
    , @Lupa
    Raqqa is not some little village, and there's only so much air strikes can do. Carpet bombing 200,000 civilians is just not a relevant alternative.
  29. @neutral
    That is still a fatal policy to have, if say India descended into religious conflict you would have Muslims as the religious minority (100+ million of them). There are countless African countries full of various ethnic divisions, giving "minorities" special migration rights means you are talking about billions, more than there are people in Germany or even all white people on the planet. You either have a nation or you can try be more pious than Jesus, but you cannot have both.

    I meant non-Islamic minorities like the Yazidis who literally don’t have states of their own, anywhere…even though their culture is quite appallingly backwards in some ways, it would be pretty extreme to let them be genocided by Islamists.
    Obviously it would be very different with Indian Muslims in your hypothetical scenario…Pakistan’s right there for them…shouldn’t be our problem (even though it would be, of course).

  30. Between the timely reemergence of Raspail and October’s publication of Submission, can we stop making French jokes and admit that again their cynical Gallic philosophy has again triumphed while Anglo pomp and theory have failed?

    • Replies: @Anon7
    This makes me think we are missing out on our "states are the laboratories of democracy". We need to encourage states to have laws strictly forbidding illegal immigration by strict enforcement and eVerify, etc. Can states forbid people to move permanently to a state if they have no income? Just wondering.

    Actually, I know that there have been problems with states going their own way, but I still think it should be tried.
  31. @Honesthughgrant
    I can remember reading Camp of the Saints in the 1980s - it was on National Review's "100 books conservatives should read". Then, I thought it was crazy and over-the-top. Now I see its fantasy come to life. BTW, has NR even mentioned Raspail (positively) in the last 15 years? I doubt it.

    7 Billion on planet earth and 500 million want to come to the USA and Europe. So when are people going to start thinking about this? Or it one of these things where we'll have to suffer before people wake up. Assuming they ever do.

    Its like California, evidently, everyone's cool with 80 million people living here in 2050. I mean, why not? As long you own beachfront property.

    “…has NR even mentioned Raspail (positively) in the last 15 years?” William F. Buckley called The Camp of Saints “a great novel” in a July 23, 2004 article, “No Irish Need Apply: On the Cap Anamur and unwelcome people.” So that was 11 years ago.

  32. @Lot

    Should we fight the evil at the roots and bomb the strategic points of Daesh, as France has just done?
     
    This is something I've been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That's pretty strange given they are just about the most evil people in the world these days who have organized themselves into a government and army. By contrast we were dropping the biggest conventional bombs ever on the less-bad Taliban. Raqqa has been the HQ of ISIS for a while and we should have flattened it by now. ISIS reduced Kobani to rubble, but we have not responded in kind to this provocation.

    It’s not about whether they’re evil, it’s about whether bombing them serves our national interests. Why are we supporting Saudia Arabia, with its beheadings and refusal to let people practice any non-Islamic religion?

    We have no dog in this fight.

    • Replies: @Salty
    Keeping assad in power would seem to be in our best interest. Naturally we are opposed to it.
  33. @caveat elector
    Of course taking in the Eastern rite Christians is a way of exterminating them too, literally, from their ancestral identity. Afterward they'll be social-democratic consumer-capitalist Xians at best or maybe just part of the Pope's LGBT green Mickey Mouse club. Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential? Any rational immigration decisions are cost-benefit like this, refugee or not. In France or the UK they'll lead the lives of gray-market outsiders, which is better than being dead, nonetheless a failure as socialized cost-benefit judgment. In their homeland they'd most likely be killed by psycho Muslims. So their Kultur is on the threshold of eternity, which might be partially their own fault by the way, though no one asks pre-Christian Yezidis or Zoroastrians why they didn't set up a collection for some military assistance along the way. They've only had millenia to do so.

    The other possibility would be to punch in some coordinates for the highly automated, expensive U.S. war machine, the better to put some of the rowdier Mohammetans squarely in their place for a spell. But at this late hour it would probably only result in not so much attitude adjustment, lots of fresh bellyaching from the iSteve regulars & other special pleaders.

    I don’t think most readers here have a problem with a punitive campaign sans any occupation. If its just going to be a CVN airwing / SOCOM shooting gallery I think everyone is OK with that.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    "I don’t think most readers here have a problem with a punitive campaign sans any occupation. If its just going to be a CVN airwing / SOCOM shooting gallery I think everyone is OK with that."

     

    Honestly, my dear Salty, I'm not "OK with that."

    I prefer emphatically to have our armed forces deployed on our own border to keep imminvaders from imminvading us.

    I prefer not to have our armed forces blasting other people's countries to smithereens, because that sort of short-sighted foolishness provokes mass migrations from those failed states and other assorted bunghole countries into Europe and the U.S. I want our Dear Rulers to leave us Americans alone and I want our Dear Rulers to leave other peoples alone - stop forcing us to pay to have our Government by Mafiosi putting protection racket muscle on us here at home and putting protection racket muscle on other people in their own countries.
  34. @SFG
    It's not about whether they're evil, it's about whether bombing them serves our national interests. Why are we supporting Saudia Arabia, with its beheadings and refusal to let people practice any non-Islamic religion?

    We have no dog in this fight.

    Keeping assad in power would seem to be in our best interest. Naturally we are opposed to it.

  35. @George
    Australia the last ration country. Tell the Donald go deport all Iranian asylum seekers.

    Iran, Australia say nuke deal is blueprint

    However she says the only deal being sought with Iran was to deal with the massive caseload of asylum seekers made worse by the previous Labor government.

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/iran-australia-say-nuke-deal-is-blueprint/story-fni0xqll-1227548329706

    Funny that it’s Danby who is critising bishop for cosying up with Iran, the guy is a Zionist who tried to get Australia to take Israels refugees.

    http://antonyloewenstein.com/2011/07/01/australia-ready-to-take-those-pesky-blacks-from-israel/

  36. We don’t have to wait until 2050. just wait until these Muzzie Morloks get their bearings in Europe and the U.S. Especially Europe where they already see the police not lifting a finger and the population is docile.

    They won’t go overtly jihad, there is no need to at this time when you have a native population that is prostrate before them in Germany, Sweden, France and England. They will just simply target them with a mix of riots, robberies, rapes and general vandalism to mark their territory and terrify the elites.

    All of this by this time next year maybe earlier.

    One last thing we won’t have to worry about is our military doing anything to stop what’s going on. Our political class likes things just the way they are. Just look how the Bush family protected the bin laden clan and kept the media silent on the KSA bankrolling jihad all over the world. Look how our CIA helped train and equip ISIS, Al-Nusra and a host of other radical groups to the point they look like the American military. Our airstrikes? One or two a day approved by lawyers. Wow. You can bet we just blew up empty fields with that ROE.

    Really to expect that evil lot in D.C. to do anything except step on their own people is just silly.

  37. @neutral
    There are already some good candidates for sequels to Camp of the Saints:
    Mad Max
    The Road
    Soylent Green
    Fallout (if you are a gamer)

    Some good non-fiction on the subject too – check out James Howard Kunstlers ‘The Long Emergency’ Word of warning though, you may not sleep soundly again.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    Because James Howard Kunstler was so right about Y2K and peak oil? I like how his wikipedia page has been completely scrubbed of any of his role in Y2K-ism, down the old memory hole.
    , @antipater_1
    JH Kunstler is a doom and gloom book peddler though he is very good at that. He has no knowledge what so ever about the oil industry / geology or Wall St finance or anything else.

    He is just a con man with a potty mouth.
  38. @Justpassingby
    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans' Ark take them? The U.S., Canada, Russia, Australia...perhaps Argentina. And when they arrive they will have a little "-tude" concerning Third World migration.

    Pacific Northwest

  39. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    • Replies: @tbraton
    Great link, skiapolemistis. So good, I thought I would post the following excerpt from the article:

    "A recent article in Reuters sheds some insight on why Cyprus has avoided the fate of the Greek island of Kos, Malta, the Hungarian border, and other EU fringes:

    …[A]ccording to a dozen refugees and migrants interviewed this summer, Cyprus’ asylum policies are the main reason they shun that country in favor of southern Europe. In Cyprus last year, only 3 percent of asylum-seekers were granted refugee status, which allows them to live and work legally. Fifty-six percent were granted subsidiary protection, a kind of second-tier international protection with fewer rights than refugee status… Most European countries make little distinction between the two. But in 2014, Cyprus amended its laws so that those who are granted subsidiary protection are not able to bring family members to Cyprus from their home countries or other nations to which they’d escaped — known as the right to family reunification — or to travel freely outside Cyprus. Subsidiary protection also comes with very limited work opportunities — which means those who get it can’t support themselves — and does not protect people from expulsion.
     
    The radical idea that people respond to incentives—such as the enforcement of immigration and refugee laws—and that countries should control who they allow into their borders—like selecting a roommate—are common sense observations that I have touched on before. By making itself less attractive to the Afro-Islamic Völkerwanderung, Cyprus has more or less completely avoided the human biomass of “Syrian refugees” that are invading Central Europe, despite being the closest EU country to Syria. Hmmmm. Must have something to do with enforcing those strict laws. Apparently the wave of migration can be stopped; it doesn’t have to be succumbed to. The deterministic cucking of Germany and Sweden is rooted in fallacious thinking at best. Incentives, goyim. Incentives."

    It just highlights what I and numerous others have been saying for some time now. That the leaders of Germany and Sweden and other Western European countries are insane and incredibly stupid for allowing this refugee tsunami to take place.

    BTW does anybody know what the Greek authorities on Lesbos do with those rubber rafts and the pilots who steer them after they arrive on Lesbos? I would hope that they either impound or destroy the rubber rafts and arrest the crew members, but I have a feeling that they allow both to return to Turkey to pick up another load.
  40. – In your book you speak of the “ferocious” nature of the migrants. But we see today that those arriving from Syria or elsewhere don’t have a knife between their teeth…

    60-70% of prisoners in France are Muslims.

  41. @Salty
    I don't think most readers here have a problem with a punitive campaign sans any occupation. If its just going to be a CVN airwing / SOCOM shooting gallery I think everyone is OK with that.

    “I don’t think most readers here have a problem with a punitive campaign sans any occupation. If its just going to be a CVN airwing / SOCOM shooting gallery I think everyone is OK with that.”

    Honestly, my dear Salty, I’m not “OK with that.”

    I prefer emphatically to have our armed forces deployed on our own border to keep imminvaders from imminvading us.

    I prefer not to have our armed forces blasting other people’s countries to smithereens, because that sort of short-sighted foolishness provokes mass migrations from those failed states and other assorted bunghole countries into Europe and the U.S. I want our Dear Rulers to leave us Americans alone and I want our Dear Rulers to leave other peoples alone – stop forcing us to pay to have our Government by Mafiosi putting protection racket muscle on us here at home and putting protection racket muscle on other people in their own countries.

  42. @tairos
    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state. It'd be a mess suppressing or rooting out the Muslim presence at this juncture, but it wouldn't be inordinate next to the general backdrop of bloody chaos of the region.

    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state.

    It’s been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    It’s been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.
     
    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.
  43. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiit.

  44. “Honestly, my dear Salty, I’m not “OK with that.””

    I’m not either. However, I would be all for our military blowing up all the stuff we left behind us – the MRAPs, the Humvees, and whatever else. It would have been better of course not to have left it, but having done so, we shouldn’t let it fall into the hands of the barbarians.

  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “This is something I’ve been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That’s pretty strange…

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS. Think about how much benefit they get from having ISIS around. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy. Just what happens from all the random politics of not letting a good crisis go to waste. ISIS is the perfect enemy for maintaining big budgets and large emergency powers, wihtout any real risk. ISIS as a whole isn’t able to get out of the Syrian desert. It’s no real threat to us. But it is enough of a threat to keep the money flowing and to keep people in line. There’s a war on, don’cha know?

    That might be the real problem with what Putin’s up to in Syria. He might want to fight a real war and clean the place up.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS.
     
    The same could probably be said for the governments of Turkey, the Gulf Arab states and Israel. The US and Israel probably like them as anti-Assad/Hezbollah/Iranian fighters. The Turks want to keep the Kurds on the ropes. And the Gulf Arabs are having wet dreams about flooding Europe with moslem refugees. I think the Saudis are even offering to build mosques for the vanguard of this latest invasion of Europe.
    , @Anonymous

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS.
     
    I hope this was a joke. The U.S./Turkey/Saudi/Israel were behind starting the jihadist war against Assad. Benghazi was all about the USG/Turkey and a gay ambassador and some yahoo former spec ops guys funneling arms to the jihadis to overthrow Assad. Still, after the rise of ISIS the U.S. has continued to secretly support ISIS to unseat Assad. That should've been clear even before the U.S. aircraft hit no ISIS camps and or 90% of the time returned with full bomb racks. Hey, if US covert ops trafficked little boys as sex slaves to Afghan warlords to form an alliance after 9/11 to unseat the Taliban, do you think they have much moral conscience to be bothered by ISIS?? But as a old former spook told me recently, "Fortunately for us, our side seeks and recruits only "good" psychopaths into covert operations." Comforting.
  46. @The Albino Sasquatch
    Some good non-fiction on the subject too - check out James Howard Kunstlers 'The Long Emergency' Word of warning though, you may not sleep soundly again.

    Because James Howard Kunstler was so right about Y2K and peak oil? I like how his wikipedia page has been completely scrubbed of any of his role in Y2K-ism, down the old memory hole.

    • Replies: @bomag
    wikipedia page has been completely scrubbed

    Well, I suppose he only has to be right once. Nature bats last, and all that.

    In this day and age I'd classify him as an optimist: people will come to their senses and recreate the world of the 1950s sans oil products. Instead, we are getting a technological elite that make it more and more possible for the barely capable to expand and fill the planet.
  47. @Twinkie

    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state.
     
    It's been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.

    It’s been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.

    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.
     
    Even before that, however, the relative demographic decline was already manifest for the Christians in Lebanon. The Muslim outbred the former, and the Christians, being more educated and skilled (and Christian), out-migrated to the West at far higher rates.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    I have a good Lebanese friend who was in the Falange, doing legwork for the FBI, the whole thing. He was there when an attache from the State Department said that the deal made with Israel was that Lebanon would be the settlement place for Palestinians. It was 1975 and things exploded in weeks.

    Conflict was probably inevitable, but the way it went down was a feature, not a bug. The Lebanese Civil War has the US and Israel's fingerprints all the way.

    Demographic shifts matter.
  48. @anonymous
    "This is something I’ve been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That’s pretty strange...

    I'm starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS. Think about how much benefit they get from having ISIS around. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. Just what happens from all the random politics of not letting a good crisis go to waste. ISIS is the perfect enemy for maintaining big budgets and large emergency powers, wihtout any real risk. ISIS as a whole isn't able to get out of the Syrian desert. It's no real threat to us. But it is enough of a threat to keep the money flowing and to keep people in line. There's a war on, don'cha know?

    That might be the real problem with what Putin's up to in Syria. He might want to fight a real war and clean the place up.

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS.

    The same could probably be said for the governments of Turkey, the Gulf Arab states and Israel. The US and Israel probably like them as anti-Assad/Hezbollah/Iranian fighters. The Turks want to keep the Kurds on the ropes. And the Gulf Arabs are having wet dreams about flooding Europe with moslem refugees. I think the Saudis are even offering to build mosques for the vanguard of this latest invasion of Europe.

  49. @iSteveFan

    It’s been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.
     
    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.

    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.

    Even before that, however, the relative demographic decline was already manifest for the Christians in Lebanon. The Muslim outbred the former, and the Christians, being more educated and skilled (and Christian), out-migrated to the West at far higher rates.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They've done well and there are a lot of them.
  50. I think the overlooked angle is the flood of young Muslim men without women coming to conquer Europe and taking its women. The traditional way Islamic men have done this is to kill the conquered men and take their women.

    Now in Europe there is the form but not the function of a modern welfare-police/pc state. So overt killing of European men is out, for now, at least openly. So is fighting back by European men, at least openly.

    We are entering a Shadow War phase, in which the governments pretend very hard that Muslims are not setting up mass prostitution/rape rings in England, Germany, France, Italy, etc. And that European men won’t retaliate either. Perhaps European men have not. Or perhaps they HAVE and that has been suppressed. All sorts of inventive things have been done by European men figuring out how to kill lots of other men, European and not, throughout history. Leonardo came up with primitive tanks which may have even been built. Drones, the internet of things, cameras everywhere, just begging to be hijacked, all sorts of deadly munitions, and the whole maker scene including 3-d printers and mini computers and bio hacking?

    IMHO this will be indeed a Shadow War. Various motivated European men doing all sorts of nasty things, leveraging technology versus the mass of non-Whites invading and using mass to get their way.

    The only issue is how long the Shadow War can be contained before it spills out into the open. Into the sunlight. Where European and other governments cannot and will not be able to pretend the conflict away.

    No one ever caught or even discusses any more who the heck the Anthrax Mailer was on 9/11. I find that VERY curious. The only conclusion I can draw is that neither the Bush nor the Obama Administration is very interested in saying who it is because it would be terrifying. For them. I.E. a Muslim man or men using bioweapons.

  51. Even at this 11th hour, two things could possibly save Europe.

    1/. The immediate and absolute dissolution of the EU.
    2/. The election of unabashedly nationalist governments in sovereign European nations.

    In this context, it is vital that Britons vote for UKIP at every possible opportunity.

    • Replies: @5371
    For that to do any good, UKIP would have to develop a much more coherent programme focused on opposition to immigration than it now has. It would also have to expel goodwhite moles like the egregious Carswell from its ranks.
    , @helena
    1/ and 2/ - Agreed but it isn't going to happen. Too many Brits can't be bothered with the unknown and/or fear the labels attached to nationalism.

    UKIP would restrict East European immig which isn't necc a good thing. Europeans need each other at this time. UKIP might try and control the spread of the Muslim World but it is already so far gone (or rather come) there would likely be too much uncivil unrest for the govt to cope with. Ultimately Brits might need earplugs to find any peace from calling and wailing.

    Peter Hitchens speaking yesterday said there was no political party to represent his socially conservative politics. That's the way to go - to break through the Liberal Identity-Dome that surrounds every debate, with words and terminology that cut through the usual offensive defences. Europeans need to develop their own narratives instead of trying to resurrect defunct brands.
  52. OT, I was relieved to see that yesterday’s viral story was untrue:

    “Sailer DID NOT use raccoon to bypass breathalyzer”.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/30/navy-marine-racoon-breathalyzer-camp-pendleton/

  53. Interesting quote in Benito Mussolini’s biography:

    In Mussolini’s thinking, demography was destiny; nations with rising populations were nations destined to conquer, and nations with falling populations were decaying powers that deserved to die.

  54. wouldn’t the simplest option be to encourage christian churches to convert the migrants? As a way to assimilate them into European culture.

    Then, if there is any push back from Islamic terrorists the European hosts would be justified in cracking down on problem communities. Forcing a fight when one is strong, and establishing a legitimate path to assimilation for migrants, is one way the current immigrant problem might be solved.

  55. @Callowman
    OT, I was relieved to see that yesterday's viral story was untrue:

    "Sailer DID NOT use raccoon to bypass breathalyzer".

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/30/navy-marine-racoon-breathalyzer-camp-pendleton/
  56. @Daniel Williams
    Raspail is aging really well. I hope I look that vigilant when I'm, like, a million.

    Granted, when I'm that age there will be half a dozen Mexicans crammed onto the bench next to me....

    What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?

    I’m impressed that Raspail is still alive and kicking, and glad that he can witness just a bit of the vindication which will be coming his way. Then again, he says: “our countries will be submerged.” It’s happening right now.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Absolutely nothing.

    The first tenured female law professor of Asian descent in the US has openly called for Hate Speech laws that can only be used to defend "historically oppressed minorities."

    I can't post a PDF here but google "mari matsuda hate speech" and it's the first result

    Hostile ethnic aliens use our own freedoms against us.

    , @AnAnon
    "What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?" - the corrupt and unworkable nature of our 3rd world governance. Even South Africa depends on whites to continue working.
  57. @tairos
    Lebanon is the obvious candidate for an Arab/Mideast Christian state. It'd be a mess suppressing or rooting out the Muslim presence at this juncture, but it wouldn't be inordinate next to the general backdrop of bloody chaos of the region.

    The minute Lebanon explicitly declares itself a Christian country it becomes Israel 2.0. Arab Muslims would focus attention on its removal.

    In fact I think that was one of the policy aims Israel had when it assisted the Christians in the Lebanese civil war, making it a Christian state.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Israel/Palestine is much more of an ethnic conflict - overwhelmingly initiated and sustained by greedy zionists - than a religious conflict.
  58. @Priss Factor
    https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/a-greek-island-that-isnt-being-invaded/

    Great link, skiapolemistis. So good, I thought I would post the following excerpt from the article:

    “A recent article in Reuters sheds some insight on why Cyprus has avoided the fate of the Greek island of Kos, Malta, the Hungarian border, and other EU fringes:

    …[A]ccording to a dozen refugees and migrants interviewed this summer, Cyprus’ asylum policies are the main reason they shun that country in favor of southern Europe. In Cyprus last year, only 3 percent of asylum-seekers were granted refugee status, which allows them to live and work legally. Fifty-six percent were granted subsidiary protection, a kind of second-tier international protection with fewer rights than refugee status… Most European countries make little distinction between the two. But in 2014, Cyprus amended its laws so that those who are granted subsidiary protection are not able to bring family members to Cyprus from their home countries or other nations to which they’d escaped — known as the right to family reunification — or to travel freely outside Cyprus. Subsidiary protection also comes with very limited work opportunities — which means those who get it can’t support themselves — and does not protect people from expulsion.

    The radical idea that people respond to incentives—such as the enforcement of immigration and refugee laws—and that countries should control who they allow into their borders—like selecting a roommate—are common sense observations that I have touched on before. By making itself less attractive to the Afro-Islamic Völkerwanderung, Cyprus has more or less completely avoided the human biomass of “Syrian refugees” that are invading Central Europe, despite being the closest EU country to Syria. Hmmmm. Must have something to do with enforcing those strict laws. Apparently the wave of migration can be stopped; it doesn’t have to be succumbed to. The deterministic cucking of Germany and Sweden is rooted in fallacious thinking at best. Incentives, goyim. Incentives.”

    It just highlights what I and numerous others have been saying for some time now. That the leaders of Germany and Sweden and other Western European countries are insane and incredibly stupid for allowing this refugee tsunami to take place.

    BTW does anybody know what the Greek authorities on Lesbos do with those rubber rafts and the pilots who steer them after they arrive on Lesbos? I would hope that they either impound or destroy the rubber rafts and arrest the crew members, but I have a feeling that they allow both to return to Turkey to pick up another load.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The 30' rubber rafts appear to be manufactured crudely in Turkey just for the Camp of the Saints trade. There's no other known use for them. They are intended to be disposable, one use only, which may help explain the high death rate.
  59. @Anonymous
    Even at this 11th hour, two things could possibly save Europe.

    1/. The immediate and absolute dissolution of the EU.
    2/. The election of unabashedly nationalist governments in sovereign European nations.


    In this context, it is vital that Britons vote for UKIP at every possible opportunity.

    For that to do any good, UKIP would have to develop a much more coherent programme focused on opposition to immigration than it now has. It would also have to expel goodwhite moles like the egregious Carswell from its ranks.

  60. @tbraton
    Great link, skiapolemistis. So good, I thought I would post the following excerpt from the article:

    "A recent article in Reuters sheds some insight on why Cyprus has avoided the fate of the Greek island of Kos, Malta, the Hungarian border, and other EU fringes:

    …[A]ccording to a dozen refugees and migrants interviewed this summer, Cyprus’ asylum policies are the main reason they shun that country in favor of southern Europe. In Cyprus last year, only 3 percent of asylum-seekers were granted refugee status, which allows them to live and work legally. Fifty-six percent were granted subsidiary protection, a kind of second-tier international protection with fewer rights than refugee status… Most European countries make little distinction between the two. But in 2014, Cyprus amended its laws so that those who are granted subsidiary protection are not able to bring family members to Cyprus from their home countries or other nations to which they’d escaped — known as the right to family reunification — or to travel freely outside Cyprus. Subsidiary protection also comes with very limited work opportunities — which means those who get it can’t support themselves — and does not protect people from expulsion.
     
    The radical idea that people respond to incentives—such as the enforcement of immigration and refugee laws—and that countries should control who they allow into their borders—like selecting a roommate—are common sense observations that I have touched on before. By making itself less attractive to the Afro-Islamic Völkerwanderung, Cyprus has more or less completely avoided the human biomass of “Syrian refugees” that are invading Central Europe, despite being the closest EU country to Syria. Hmmmm. Must have something to do with enforcing those strict laws. Apparently the wave of migration can be stopped; it doesn’t have to be succumbed to. The deterministic cucking of Germany and Sweden is rooted in fallacious thinking at best. Incentives, goyim. Incentives."

    It just highlights what I and numerous others have been saying for some time now. That the leaders of Germany and Sweden and other Western European countries are insane and incredibly stupid for allowing this refugee tsunami to take place.

    BTW does anybody know what the Greek authorities on Lesbos do with those rubber rafts and the pilots who steer them after they arrive on Lesbos? I would hope that they either impound or destroy the rubber rafts and arrest the crew members, but I have a feeling that they allow both to return to Turkey to pick up another load.

    The 30′ rubber rafts appear to be manufactured crudely in Turkey just for the Camp of the Saints trade. There’s no other known use for them. They are intended to be disposable, one use only, which may help explain the high death rate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's a question I've wondered about.
    I know next to nothing about inflatable rubber dinghies. I don't know who the main manufacturers are - I assume that they are Chinese.
    But, surely the typical, average yearly nett sale of rubber dinghies, to which all production is geared to, must be by now greatly exceeded.
    I would have thought there must be, by now, a great rubber dinghy shortage in the world, a ramping up of prices, and old rubber dinghies stowed away for decades in garages etc, must now fetch a fair old price on eBay.
  61. @Ed
    The minute Lebanon explicitly declares itself a Christian country it becomes Israel 2.0. Arab Muslims would focus attention on its removal.

    In fact I think that was one of the policy aims Israel had when it assisted the Christians in the Lebanese civil war, making it a Christian state.

    Israel/Palestine is much more of an ethnic conflict – overwhelmingly initiated and sustained by greedy zionists – than a religious conflict.

  62. @Percy Gryce

    Why also should refugees be exempt from metrics of assimilation potential?
     
    Actually, the assimilation potential for Eastern Christians is quite high in the U.S., the EU, South America, and Australia/New Zealand. First of all is a common Christian culture. Second, the Eastern Christians are on average more highly educated than their Muslim neighbors--due to their contacts with the West and their access to the religious universities and schools in the Mideast, often founded and staffed by Western Christians. Finally, there are hierarchical structures and communities already in place in the West. For example, there are half a million Melkite Greek Catholics (mostly Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Egypt) in Brazil and a 40+ year-old eparchy there. There are more than a 100,000 Chaldean Catholics (ethnic Assyrians, mostly from Iraq) in the U.S., concentrated to some extent around Detroit. The list goes on, but hopefully you get the idea.

    Back in the 1980s, I met a lot of Assyrian refugees from Iraq in Chicago. The younger generation seemed to made up entirely of pop culturized secular hedonists. But who would expect anything else?

  63. @Justpassingby
    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans' Ark take them? The U.S., Canada, Russia, Australia...perhaps Argentina. And when they arrive they will have a little "-tude" concerning Third World migration.

    And…South Africa, where Tom Kratman’s in his dystopian novel “Caliphate” set in the 22th century mentionned then after a civil war in South Africa, lots of Europeans immigrated there, they re-installed apartheid. I wonder if Tom Kratman had read Siener Van Rensberg’s prophecies? And could we consider “Caliphate” as a de-facto sequel to Camp of the Saints? One reviewer on Amazon.com thought so.

  64. @Percy Gryce
    I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They're not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they'll be exterminated otherwise.

    But they’re rather swarthy and born outside the arbitrary borders of Europe, so all my hip WN friends tell me we shouldn’t take any.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Raspail is right; it can only get worse. Evidence from Britain and France shows that European-born Muslims are more radical, that is to say they become more devout Muslims and more anti-Western, than their colonist parents. We will live to see the worst conflicts in Europe in a hundred years.

  66. @Mark Caplan
    Then it’s the end of the Catholic Church.

    Just the opposite. The Church is securing its future by expanding into low IQ, fast-growing countries in the developing world where its merchandise is still highly valued.

    Bringing up IQ when it’s not remotely relevant to the topic makes it look like your IQ isn’t all that high.

  67. @Kyle McKenna
    What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?

    I'm impressed that Raspail is still alive and kicking, and glad that he can witness just a bit of the vindication which will be coming his way. Then again, he says: "our countries will be submerged." It's happening right now.

    Absolutely nothing.

    The first tenured female law professor of Asian descent in the US has openly called for Hate Speech laws that can only be used to defend “historically oppressed minorities.”

    I can’t post a PDF here but google “mari matsuda hate speech” and it’s the first result

    Hostile ethnic aliens use our own freedoms against us.

  68. @24AheadDotCom
    Nothing is going to change as long as the types of people that visit sites like this think of things like a TV show. Instead of seeking entertainment - whether a sequel to CotS or a Coulter column or a performance by The Donald - work to change things.

    Realize that bad things happen because people in power (e.g. Obama) put them into motion, and they're aided by those further down the chain (e.g. @DLind). Obama needs the @DLind types to get his way, but so far no one who gets widespread support is willing or able to discredit those like @DLind. As a result, bad things keep happening.

    Have some pride, learn to do things.

    Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    Personally the high cost to myself of doing anything isn’t worth battling the astronomical odds against us. I can either spend my life miserable working towards a fate that has a 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance of occurring, or I can sit back and enjoy life. Not a tough choice for me.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    ... or I can sit back and enjoy life
     
    You're enjoying this?
  69. @Dirk Dagger
    Because James Howard Kunstler was so right about Y2K and peak oil? I like how his wikipedia page has been completely scrubbed of any of his role in Y2K-ism, down the old memory hole.

    wikipedia page has been completely scrubbed

    Well, I suppose he only has to be right once. Nature bats last, and all that.

    In this day and age I’d classify him as an optimist: people will come to their senses and recreate the world of the 1950s sans oil products. Instead, we are getting a technological elite that make it more and more possible for the barely capable to expand and fill the planet.

  70. @The Albino Sasquatch
    Some good non-fiction on the subject too - check out James Howard Kunstlers 'The Long Emergency' Word of warning though, you may not sleep soundly again.

    JH Kunstler is a doom and gloom book peddler though he is very good at that. He has no knowledge what so ever about the oil industry / geology or Wall St finance or anything else.

    He is just a con man with a potty mouth.

  71. @iSteveFan

    It’s been tried by the Israelis and ended badly for both Israel and the Lebanese Christians.
     
    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.

    I have a good Lebanese friend who was in the Falange, doing legwork for the FBI, the whole thing. He was there when an attache from the State Department said that the deal made with Israel was that Lebanon would be the settlement place for Palestinians. It was 1975 and things exploded in weeks.

    Conflict was probably inevitable, but the way it went down was a feature, not a bug. The Lebanese Civil War has the US and Israel’s fingerprints all the way.

    Demographic shifts matter.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    BTW, my friend recalls the silence in the room when the American said this. Then, someone said: "The Maronites will fight until this country is leveled to the ground."
  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The 30' rubber rafts appear to be manufactured crudely in Turkey just for the Camp of the Saints trade. There's no other known use for them. They are intended to be disposable, one use only, which may help explain the high death rate.

    That’s a question I’ve wondered about.
    I know next to nothing about inflatable rubber dinghies. I don’t know who the main manufacturers are – I assume that they are Chinese.
    But, surely the typical, average yearly nett sale of rubber dinghies, to which all production is geared to, must be by now greatly exceeded.
    I would have thought there must be, by now, a great rubber dinghy shortage in the world, a ramping up of prices, and old rubber dinghies stowed away for decades in garages etc, must now fetch a fair old price on eBay.

  73. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I have a good Lebanese friend who was in the Falange, doing legwork for the FBI, the whole thing. He was there when an attache from the State Department said that the deal made with Israel was that Lebanon would be the settlement place for Palestinians. It was 1975 and things exploded in weeks.

    Conflict was probably inevitable, but the way it went down was a feature, not a bug. The Lebanese Civil War has the US and Israel's fingerprints all the way.

    Demographic shifts matter.

    BTW, my friend recalls the silence in the room when the American said this. Then, someone said: “The Maronites will fight until this country is leveled to the ground.”

  74. @Percy Gryce
    I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They're not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they'll be exterminated otherwise.

    That’s too bad – the old Middle East will be extinguished for good

  75. @neutral
    There are already some good candidates for sequels to Camp of the Saints:
    Mad Max
    The Road
    Soylent Green
    Fallout (if you are a gamer)

    Children of Men. This movie had this interesting angle that ingested or inhaled pollutants cause mass infertility, and a sort of contagion that kills children (my opinion,) and that humans were incapable of reproducing. Of course, the heart throb (my opinion) Clive Owen, does everything in his power, until death, to save the last pregnant woman and later, her baby, and put them on a boat to “the Colony.”

    Remember the scene in the abandoned school (they rest for a while just like Joseph & Mary) where they are alarmed by noise but it is only a deer wandering around? Nature has sort of taken over but we don’t know whether reproduction is failing in animals.

    Also, wasn’t it weirdly comical that in the final chaotic, fight scenes in the rubble of a city, Muslim men are still carrying their dead in some sort of ritual for burial? So, yeah, my theory is: Pollution, basic destruction of land and water, will get us all…maybe not in 30 years, but once everyone says: “Oh, where are all the scientists and smart people who must save our sorry asses from all this shit we created?” Jean and I will be long dead; my ashes thrown into the sea with my beloved dogs’ ashes.

    Other movies: I am Legend; The Day the Earth Stood Still ( I thought John Cleese and Michael Caine (TDTESS) were very similar “professors” in these 2 movies, btw; Terminators; Godzilla; the countless zombie movies…

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Children of Men was a thrilling book by PD James, maybe one of her best. Mark Steyn recommended it years ago and I'm guessing most of his acolytes have read it already.

    The movie was awful and not even close to the book.

    Why are so many modern movies disgusting and offensive? Can't they tackle a difficult plot and characters with more subtlety?
  76. @Lagertha
    Children of Men. This movie had this interesting angle that ingested or inhaled pollutants cause mass infertility, and a sort of contagion that kills children (my opinion,) and that humans were incapable of reproducing. Of course, the heart throb (my opinion) Clive Owen, does everything in his power, until death, to save the last pregnant woman and later, her baby, and put them on a boat to "the Colony."

    Remember the scene in the abandoned school (they rest for a while just like Joseph & Mary) where they are alarmed by noise but it is only a deer wandering around? Nature has sort of taken over but we don't know whether reproduction is failing in animals.

    Also, wasn't it weirdly comical that in the final chaotic, fight scenes in the rubble of a city, Muslim men are still carrying their dead in some sort of ritual for burial? So, yeah, my theory is: Pollution, basic destruction of land and water, will get us all...maybe not in 30 years, but once everyone says: "Oh, where are all the scientists and smart people who must save our sorry asses from all this shit we created?" Jean and I will be long dead; my ashes thrown into the sea with my beloved dogs' ashes.

    Other movies: I am Legend; The Day the Earth Stood Still ( I thought John Cleese and Michael Caine (TDTESS) were very similar "professors" in these 2 movies, btw; Terminators; Godzilla; the countless zombie movies...

    Children of Men was a thrilling book by PD James, maybe one of her best. Mark Steyn recommended it years ago and I’m guessing most of his acolytes have read it already.

    The movie was awful and not even close to the book.

    Why are so many modern movies disgusting and offensive? Can’t they tackle a difficult plot and characters with more subtlety?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    You're asking me, someone who was really ticked-off that Boyhood didn't win Best Picture! I'm sure you know the seasons to movies : In late winter/spring, most of the most violent, scary, offensive movies come out, it's called "check movie" season; studios and actors making money. Everything is geared towards bored spring teens stuck inside who love those slasher movies and action movies. It's where everyone goes to hang-out before Prom season. Summer is for blockbusters: super heroes, chick-flicks, romcoms, and movies featuring the hottest guys or girls but with a palatable story like Entourage, or anything with Channing Tatum (however, he was awesome in Foxcatcher) or Chris Hemsworth (he was excellent in Rush) in Thor. The Fall is when we are all mentally "back to school," so, that is when we are hit with most of the Oscar contenders...yet, many of them have lots of violence, too. I'm always happy when Oscar contenders are ones that I can bring my mother to.
  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    "This is something I’ve been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That’s pretty strange...

    I'm starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS. Think about how much benefit they get from having ISIS around. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. Just what happens from all the random politics of not letting a good crisis go to waste. ISIS is the perfect enemy for maintaining big budgets and large emergency powers, wihtout any real risk. ISIS as a whole isn't able to get out of the Syrian desert. It's no real threat to us. But it is enough of a threat to keep the money flowing and to keep people in line. There's a war on, don'cha know?

    That might be the real problem with what Putin's up to in Syria. He might want to fight a real war and clean the place up.

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS.

    I hope this was a joke. The U.S./Turkey/Saudi/Israel were behind starting the jihadist war against Assad. Benghazi was all about the USG/Turkey and a gay ambassador and some yahoo former spec ops guys funneling arms to the jihadis to overthrow Assad. Still, after the rise of ISIS the U.S. has continued to secretly support ISIS to unseat Assad. That should’ve been clear even before the U.S. aircraft hit no ISIS camps and or 90% of the time returned with full bomb racks. Hey, if US covert ops trafficked little boys as sex slaves to Afghan warlords to form an alliance after 9/11 to unseat the Taliban, do you think they have much moral conscience to be bothered by ISIS?? But as a old former spook told me recently, “Fortunately for us, our side seeks and recruits only “good” psychopaths into covert operations.” Comforting.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I've had similar scary thoughts...perhaps paranoid. Although, not about 'sexy time' with prepubescent boys & Afghans...however, we now know that these boys exist and American officers in Afghanistan are in trouble for complaining about it.

    I was unnerved that Obama was so blase' about attacking ISIS, saying they're just all so embedded and what not, and that the risk to civilians ( I thought they were mostly in refugee camps in Turkey, in rubber boats, or in Stockholm by now) was too great to carpet bomb. And, yesterday, Putin goes commando anyway, attacks supply lines, incinerates fuel supplies, destroys machinery...stuff I already thought the US was doing months ago, a year ago!

    Do you remember that piece about the fierce Kurdish women fighting ISIS looking pretty hot in camo, btw? It seemed to me they were the only ones who were truly trying to destroy ISIS last year.

    Destroying supply lines is so easy and elementary, it is the catalyst to end conflicts quickly, so why this obsession with Assad? Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria are all a mess now, so I can't wrap my brain around the idea that this is maybe a "jobs program?" Of course, my grandfather, an entrepreneur who made a lot of money between the world wars said, "when is the war gonna come back and all the good ole' times?" one summer in the late 70's when I was drinking some coffee with him. He then walked down to the dock to feed the seagulls.

  78. It must be hell to live long enough to see his horror story come true. There was a sequel to his book called Elysium

  79. @Kyle McKenna
    What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?

    I'm impressed that Raspail is still alive and kicking, and glad that he can witness just a bit of the vindication which will be coming his way. Then again, he says: "our countries will be submerged." It's happening right now.

    “What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?” – the corrupt and unworkable nature of our 3rd world governance. Even South Africa depends on whites to continue working.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    You're wrong here. There is no incompatibility between virtual slavery and needing Europeans to keep the lights on... barely.

    http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/lethabo-power-station-drowning-in-ash-exclusive-p/
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/03/crippling-blackouts-paralyse-south-africa-150312044353795.html

    You just can't kill them all. You can kill some, especially uppity farmers in the middle of nowhere. And the rest can be high caste slaves, with a few exceptions for appearances' sake, some collaborators with political clout, and an underclass.

    Take the Afrikaner - they follow this pattern. Some rich people quietly going about their business, while establishing residency rights in other countries. Then you have a collaborationist intelligentsia of former apartheid protesters and token whites for the government and academic leadership. Then you have the mass of technicians and other skilled folk, who toil under their "Black Economic Empowerment" bosses who can barely add and subtract and have fake or irrelevant degrees. They make way less money than their bosses and are held to a higher standard of education to keep their jobs, but a lot of them can maybe afford or look forward to affording a home in a safe community (maybe gated, no necklacing, horrible rape/mutilation/murder) and private school or a still good public school for the kids. They are the high caste slaves. Then you have 800,000 people living in roadside camps and trailer parks, despite being cognitively middle class material in 91% non-White South Africa. These guys are either fair game or they adopt the worst of African traits.

    You can tell that there is a bit of slavery involved because of the horrid consequences of losing one's job and because of the barriers I've read about to South Africans trying to go through the SA bureaucracy to be able to leave the country for good. Few countries take SAs as refugees.

  80. @AndrewR
    Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    Personally the high cost to myself of doing anything isn't worth battling the astronomical odds against us. I can either spend my life miserable working towards a fate that has a 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance of occurring, or I can sit back and enjoy life. Not a tough choice for me.

    … or I can sit back and enjoy life

    You’re enjoying this?

  81. @Anonymous

    I’m starting to wonder if the US government really wants to defeat ISIS.
     
    I hope this was a joke. The U.S./Turkey/Saudi/Israel were behind starting the jihadist war against Assad. Benghazi was all about the USG/Turkey and a gay ambassador and some yahoo former spec ops guys funneling arms to the jihadis to overthrow Assad. Still, after the rise of ISIS the U.S. has continued to secretly support ISIS to unseat Assad. That should've been clear even before the U.S. aircraft hit no ISIS camps and or 90% of the time returned with full bomb racks. Hey, if US covert ops trafficked little boys as sex slaves to Afghan warlords to form an alliance after 9/11 to unseat the Taliban, do you think they have much moral conscience to be bothered by ISIS?? But as a old former spook told me recently, "Fortunately for us, our side seeks and recruits only "good" psychopaths into covert operations." Comforting.

    I’ve had similar scary thoughts…perhaps paranoid. Although, not about ‘sexy time’ with prepubescent boys & Afghans…however, we now know that these boys exist and American officers in Afghanistan are in trouble for complaining about it.

    I was unnerved that Obama was so blase’ about attacking ISIS, saying they’re just all so embedded and what not, and that the risk to civilians ( I thought they were mostly in refugee camps in Turkey, in rubber boats, or in Stockholm by now) was too great to carpet bomb. And, yesterday, Putin goes commando anyway, attacks supply lines, incinerates fuel supplies, destroys machinery…stuff I already thought the US was doing months ago, a year ago!

    Do you remember that piece about the fierce Kurdish women fighting ISIS looking pretty hot in camo, btw? It seemed to me they were the only ones who were truly trying to destroy ISIS last year.

    Destroying supply lines is so easy and elementary, it is the catalyst to end conflicts quickly, so why this obsession with Assad? Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria are all a mess now, so I can’t wrap my brain around the idea that this is maybe a “jobs program?” Of course, my grandfather, an entrepreneur who made a lot of money between the world wars said, “when is the war gonna come back and all the good ole’ times?” one summer in the late 70’s when I was drinking some coffee with him. He then walked down to the dock to feed the seagulls.

  82. @Twinkie

    The Israelis actually helped to demographically turn Lebanon from majority Christian to majority muslim when they pushed out the Palestinians, many of whom landed in Lebanon.
     
    Even before that, however, the relative demographic decline was already manifest for the Christians in Lebanon. The Muslim outbred the former, and the Christians, being more educated and skilled (and Christian), out-migrated to the West at far higher rates.

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They’ve done well and there are a lot of them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily.
     
    If wishes were horses.
    , @Johann Ricke

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They’ve done well and there are a lot of them.
     
    Why would they want to leave peaceful, comfortable lives in the resource-rich Americas to return to the conflict-ridden deserts of the Near East? It took the Holocaust to cause significant numbers of Jews to move to what is now Israel. And the majority of Jews continue to reside outside of Israel.
  83. @Formerly CARealist
    Children of Men was a thrilling book by PD James, maybe one of her best. Mark Steyn recommended it years ago and I'm guessing most of his acolytes have read it already.

    The movie was awful and not even close to the book.

    Why are so many modern movies disgusting and offensive? Can't they tackle a difficult plot and characters with more subtlety?

    You’re asking me, someone who was really ticked-off that Boyhood didn’t win Best Picture! I’m sure you know the seasons to movies : In late winter/spring, most of the most violent, scary, offensive movies come out, it’s called “check movie” season; studios and actors making money. Everything is geared towards bored spring teens stuck inside who love those slasher movies and action movies. It’s where everyone goes to hang-out before Prom season. Summer is for blockbusters: super heroes, chick-flicks, romcoms, and movies featuring the hottest guys or girls but with a palatable story like Entourage, or anything with Channing Tatum (however, he was awesome in Foxcatcher) or Chris Hemsworth (he was excellent in Rush) in Thor. The Fall is when we are all mentally “back to school,” so, that is when we are hit with most of the Oscar contenders…yet, many of them have lots of violence, too. I’m always happy when Oscar contenders are ones that I can bring my mother to.

  84. Raspail was a false prophet

    he warned against Indian immigrants

    The real threat is from black and muslim immigrants

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    I was going to say that this is the most nitpicking comment I have seen on this site, but looking at your comment history you are obviously an Indian who doesn't want his people to be classed as part of the brown tsunami.

    That's understandable, but you fail to see that the novel is allegorical, so if you are white rather than Indian it really doesn't matter what particular part of the world Europe is overwhelmed by. It's about us, not them.

    In a sense the fact that you see a novel about the destruction of my civilisation in terms of whether it hurts your Indian feelings highlights the problem of ALL non-European immigration. When I think about the meaning of that novel, the fact that it might alienate a Hindu is one of the furthest things from my mind.
    , @Romanian
    Well, he admitted in an interview that he was thinking about African migration, but it was impolitic to say so even at the time, so he changed it to Indians.
    , @random observer
    Agreed- I tend to think of India as an ally in this struggle, at least insofar as their is some far distant kinship in the past, I am impressed by some elements of Indian civilization and achievement, and current prospects [with caveats], and we are hated by mostly the same people for similar reasons.

    I hadn't heard that, as Romanian posted, Raspail claimed to have had Africans in mind and just pre-emptively caved to proto-PC and made his immigrants Indian. That sounds like a retcon, but I suppose a Frenchman could have had that thought process in the 1970s. I always just assumed it might have seemed more plausible at the time for it to be Indians- the great African demographic boom was only getting started, whereas India was growing demographically faster than economically and was then the location of the worst famines and a good deal of unrest. India has come far since then, notwithstanding its current problems.

    Africa has also gotten bigger and looms larger, so to speak, and Islam cuts a much larger figure in the past 20 years than it had for the preceding century.

    I think Raspail's balance of accuracy and error here is much like Enoch Powell's. remember Powell mostly seemed to be concerned about black Caribbean immigration. Yardies notwithstanding, this has proved not to be an existential threat to British state or society.

    Yet both had the larger idea spot on at a time when few others did.
  85. @IHTG
    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They've done well and there are a lot of them.

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily.

    If wishes were horses.

  86. @rec1man
    Raspail was a false prophet

    he warned against Indian immigrants

    The real threat is from black and muslim immigrants

    I was going to say that this is the most nitpicking comment I have seen on this site, but looking at your comment history you are obviously an Indian who doesn’t want his people to be classed as part of the brown tsunami.

    That’s understandable, but you fail to see that the novel is allegorical, so if you are white rather than Indian it really doesn’t matter what particular part of the world Europe is overwhelmed by. It’s about us, not them.

    In a sense the fact that you see a novel about the destruction of my civilisation in terms of whether it hurts your Indian feelings highlights the problem of ALL non-European immigration. When I think about the meaning of that novel, the fact that it might alienate a Hindu is one of the furthest things from my mind.

  87. @Anonycat
    Between the timely reemergence of Raspail and October's publication of Submission, can we stop making French jokes and admit that again their cynical Gallic philosophy has again triumphed while Anglo pomp and theory have failed?

    This makes me think we are missing out on our “states are the laboratories of democracy”. We need to encourage states to have laws strictly forbidding illegal immigration by strict enforcement and eVerify, etc. Can states forbid people to move permanently to a state if they have no income? Just wondering.

    Actually, I know that there have been problems with states going their own way, but I still think it should be tried.

  88. The left is in denial that all its beliefs are based in Christianity. I used to argue with a co-worker about this. He felt that ethics and morality were natural. He hated William Golding and his novel, “Lord of the Flies”. I told him that Jeffrey Dalmer would have been a celebrated warrior in Mohawk society. Or in New Guinea. Christianity is responsible for pacifism. Most people on earth think that murder of the ” other” is perfectly justified.

    • Replies: @random observer
    Agreed on the larger point.

    I don't know where Golding was coming from, but Lord of the Flies is at minimum the most Tory YA fiction ever written, in the sense of its assumption that rules and society exist precisely to tame the youth and keep order to protect the weak who would otherwise fall. But who have something to contribute if the state of nature can be contained. The idea that civilization is a great achievement on which our grip is forever sustained by our fingertips, with walls that need to be fully manned. To both mix metaphors and paraphrase an old Derb article about Kipling.

    I tend to take that view. I don't go so far as, with RE Howard, to actually endorse the superiority of the barbarian. I respect his virtues and want civilization to keep some hold of his strengths to its own advantage. Not become him. That doesn't preclude ruthlessness, just keeps it orderly.

    But in defence of the barbarians- is that really true about Dahmer? Would he not have been classed as preying on his own people, and quickly and unceremoniously tortured to death for it? I don't recall him taking on anyone in a fair fight, ritualized or otherwise.
  89. @IHTG
    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They've done well and there are a lot of them.

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They’ve done well and there are a lot of them.

    Why would they want to leave peaceful, comfortable lives in the resource-rich Americas to return to the conflict-ridden deserts of the Near East? It took the Holocaust to cause significant numbers of Jews to move to what is now Israel. And the majority of Jews continue to reside outside of Israel.

    • Replies: @Hail

    It took the Holocaust to cause significant numbers of Jews to move to what is now Israel. And the majority of Jews continue to reside outside of Israel.
     
    No, it took a decades-long campaign of successful Jewish nationalist agitation to get the project rolling, and then the major subsidization of Israel as a powerful state to attract Israel's current 6.2 million Jews.

    Number of Jews in Palestine/Israel (1915=100) (Source)
    1915 : 100
    1931 : 200
    1934 : 400
    1948: 800
    1953: 1,600
    1975: 3,200
    2010: 6,400

    Each of these represents an approximate population doubling. Each doubling represents a major step in Jewish growth in Israel, especially considering the territory was already settled by Palestinians and not some empty continent. You can see that the first major steps in the Jewish demographic conquest of Palestine occurred long before Jewish population losses in WWII.

    Another way to look at it:
    1915-1934 had two doublings (19 years),
    1934-1953 had two doublings (19 years),
    1953-2010 had two doublings (57 years)

    The 1940s was simply another step, expedited slightly by the shock of the war, in a process already long ongoing of the Jewish takeover of Palestine.

    More importantly, what has attracted the millions who have come since the 1950s? Israel is subsidized by powerful allies (esp. the USA) and so has a high standard of living.

    For those who want to take in Arab Christians or others, why not do what we do with Israel and just divert money to prop up Christian communities there. Keep them home.

  90. @Anonymous
    Even at this 11th hour, two things could possibly save Europe.

    1/. The immediate and absolute dissolution of the EU.
    2/. The election of unabashedly nationalist governments in sovereign European nations.


    In this context, it is vital that Britons vote for UKIP at every possible opportunity.

    1/ and 2/ – Agreed but it isn’t going to happen. Too many Brits can’t be bothered with the unknown and/or fear the labels attached to nationalism.

    UKIP would restrict East European immig which isn’t necc a good thing. Europeans need each other at this time. UKIP might try and control the spread of the Muslim World but it is already so far gone (or rather come) there would likely be too much uncivil unrest for the govt to cope with. Ultimately Brits might need earplugs to find any peace from calling and wailing.

    Peter Hitchens speaking yesterday said there was no political party to represent his socially conservative politics. That’s the way to go – to break through the Liberal Identity-Dome that surrounds every debate, with words and terminology that cut through the usual offensive defences. Europeans need to develop their own narratives instead of trying to resurrect defunct brands.

  91. @AnAnon
    "What will stop the third-worlders from having passed laws making us slaves in our own land by then?" - the corrupt and unworkable nature of our 3rd world governance. Even South Africa depends on whites to continue working.

    You’re wrong here. There is no incompatibility between virtual slavery and needing Europeans to keep the lights on… barely.

    http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/lethabo-power-station-drowning-in-ash-exclusive-p/
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/03/crippling-blackouts-paralyse-south-africa-150312044353795.html

    You just can’t kill them all. You can kill some, especially uppity farmers in the middle of nowhere. And the rest can be high caste slaves, with a few exceptions for appearances’ sake, some collaborators with political clout, and an underclass.

    Take the Afrikaner – they follow this pattern. Some rich people quietly going about their business, while establishing residency rights in other countries. Then you have a collaborationist intelligentsia of former apartheid protesters and token whites for the government and academic leadership. Then you have the mass of technicians and other skilled folk, who toil under their “Black Economic Empowerment” bosses who can barely add and subtract and have fake or irrelevant degrees. They make way less money than their bosses and are held to a higher standard of education to keep their jobs, but a lot of them can maybe afford or look forward to affording a home in a safe community (maybe gated, no necklacing, horrible rape/mutilation/murder) and private school or a still good public school for the kids. They are the high caste slaves. Then you have 800,000 people living in roadside camps and trailer parks, despite being cognitively middle class material in 91% non-White South Africa. These guys are either fair game or they adopt the worst of African traits.

    You can tell that there is a bit of slavery involved because of the horrid consequences of losing one’s job and because of the barriers I’ve read about to South Africans trying to go through the SA bureaucracy to be able to leave the country for good. Few countries take SAs as refugees.

  92. @rec1man
    Raspail was a false prophet

    he warned against Indian immigrants

    The real threat is from black and muslim immigrants

    Well, he admitted in an interview that he was thinking about African migration, but it was impolitic to say so even at the time, so he changed it to Indians.

  93. @Lot

    Should we fight the evil at the roots and bomb the strategic points of Daesh, as France has just done?
     
    This is something I've been wondering too. It seems that we are only doing pin-prick precision bombing of ISIS. That's pretty strange given they are just about the most evil people in the world these days who have organized themselves into a government and army. By contrast we were dropping the biggest conventional bombs ever on the less-bad Taliban. Raqqa has been the HQ of ISIS for a while and we should have flattened it by now. ISIS reduced Kobani to rubble, but we have not responded in kind to this provocation.

    Raqqa is not some little village, and there’s only so much air strikes can do. Carpet bombing 200,000 civilians is just not a relevant alternative.

  94. @Percy Gryce
    I totally agree that we should accept the Eastern Christians from the Levant. They're not particularly sympathetic to Islam and they'll be exterminated otherwise.

    This was what the the crusades were about. Propping up exactly those Christians…in their own homelands.

  95. @Anonymous

    The Catholic Church is not at all on this wave length. It is urging the faithful to show their generosity…
     
    Then it's the end of the Catholic Church. They've had a good innings but forget it, if the church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it's curtains.

    I think we should accept Yazidis as well as Christians. No one else, and NO SINGLE MEN.

    If the [Roman Catholic] church puts itself on the side of massive nonwhite emigration into the white countries, it’s curtains.

    Part riding Western suicidal coattails, part self-interested motivation. The Catholic Church itself certainly sees itself as in decline as an institution without (1) migration of poor Catholics to rich non-Catholic countries, and (2) being seen as on the side of the Third World where a huge majority of its members reside.

  96. @Johann Ricke

    If all the Arab Christians (not all of them purely Arab by now) in South America could be persuaded to return to the Middle East, Zionism-style, they could take over easily. They’ve done well and there are a lot of them.
     
    Why would they want to leave peaceful, comfortable lives in the resource-rich Americas to return to the conflict-ridden deserts of the Near East? It took the Holocaust to cause significant numbers of Jews to move to what is now Israel. And the majority of Jews continue to reside outside of Israel.

    It took the Holocaust to cause significant numbers of Jews to move to what is now Israel. And the majority of Jews continue to reside outside of Israel.

    No, it took a decades-long campaign of successful Jewish nationalist agitation to get the project rolling, and then the major subsidization of Israel as a powerful state to attract Israel’s current 6.2 million Jews.

    Number of Jews in Palestine/Israel (1915=100) (Source)
    1915 : 100
    1931 : 200
    1934 : 400
    1948: 800
    1953: 1,600
    1975: 3,200
    2010: 6,400

    Each of these represents an approximate population doubling. Each doubling represents a major step in Jewish growth in Israel, especially considering the territory was already settled by Palestinians and not some empty continent. You can see that the first major steps in the Jewish demographic conquest of Palestine occurred long before Jewish population losses in WWII.

    Another way to look at it:
    1915-1934 had two doublings (19 years),
    1934-1953 had two doublings (19 years),
    1953-2010 had two doublings (57 years)

    The 1940s was simply another step, expedited slightly by the shock of the war, in a process already long ongoing of the Jewish takeover of Palestine.

    More importantly, what has attracted the millions who have come since the 1950s? Israel is subsidized by powerful allies (esp. the USA) and so has a high standard of living.

    For those who want to take in Arab Christians or others, why not do what we do with Israel and just divert money to prop up Christian communities there. Keep them home.

  97. @Justpassingby
    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans' Ark take them? The U.S., Canada, Russia, Australia...perhaps Argentina. And when they arrive they will have a little "-tude" concerning Third World migration.

    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans’ Ark take them?

    It’s a terrible thing. Europe is the white homeland that could still be preserved. I love the USA and my personal heimat in Iowa, where my ancestors farmed the soil and birthed my parents. (Love going back when i can for the harvest.) But the USA is already down to near 50% white in births and the cosmopolitan hostiles are firmly in charge. Without separation the future here is baked-in bleak.

    The non-white populations in Europe are still relatively low–the ugly “diversity” mostly confined to some cities.

    If these guys wised up … now! … they could still save these lands. These are white folks historic homelands and need to be preserved. So what’s happening right now–instead of wising up a kool-aid drinking collapse–is a calamity.

    • Replies: @Hail

    If these guys wised up … now! … they could still save these lands.
     
    I agree. To a great extent they are following the USA's lead, though, and remember the USA still controls Western Europe via treaty (NATO) and has major military assets across Europe, especially at its very heart in Germany.

    The USA needs to turn a corner and start fighting its own anti-White elite first, with Trump looking like the implicit champion of this fight. He's just called for deportation of any Syrian the anti-White Obama gang brings to the USA.
  98. @AnotherDad

    As things stand now, the inundation of Europe may not be a bad thing for North America. For where, when it is built, will the Europeans’ Ark take them?
     
    It's a terrible thing. Europe is the white homeland that could still be preserved. I love the USA and my personal heimat in Iowa, where my ancestors farmed the soil and birthed my parents. (Love going back when i can for the harvest.) But the USA is already down to near 50% white in births and the cosmopolitan hostiles are firmly in charge. Without separation the future here is baked-in bleak.

    The non-white populations in Europe are still relatively low--the ugly "diversity" mostly confined to some cities.

    If these guys wised up ... now! ... they could still save these lands. These are white folks historic homelands and need to be preserved. So what's happening right now--instead of wising up a kool-aid drinking collapse--is a calamity.

    If these guys wised up … now! … they could still save these lands.

    I agree. To a great extent they are following the USA’s lead, though, and remember the USA still controls Western Europe via treaty (NATO) and has major military assets across Europe, especially at its very heart in Germany.

    The USA needs to turn a corner and start fighting its own anti-White elite first, with Trump looking like the implicit champion of this fight. He’s just called for deportation of any Syrian the anti-White Obama gang brings to the USA.

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  100. @rec1man
    Raspail was a false prophet

    he warned against Indian immigrants

    The real threat is from black and muslim immigrants

    Agreed- I tend to think of India as an ally in this struggle, at least insofar as their is some far distant kinship in the past, I am impressed by some elements of Indian civilization and achievement, and current prospects [with caveats], and we are hated by mostly the same people for similar reasons.

    I hadn’t heard that, as Romanian posted, Raspail claimed to have had Africans in mind and just pre-emptively caved to proto-PC and made his immigrants Indian. That sounds like a retcon, but I suppose a Frenchman could have had that thought process in the 1970s. I always just assumed it might have seemed more plausible at the time for it to be Indians- the great African demographic boom was only getting started, whereas India was growing demographically faster than economically and was then the location of the worst famines and a good deal of unrest. India has come far since then, notwithstanding its current problems.

    Africa has also gotten bigger and looms larger, so to speak, and Islam cuts a much larger figure in the past 20 years than it had for the preceding century.

    I think Raspail’s balance of accuracy and error here is much like Enoch Powell’s. remember Powell mostly seemed to be concerned about black Caribbean immigration. Yardies notwithstanding, this has proved not to be an existential threat to British state or society.

    Yet both had the larger idea spot on at a time when few others did.

  101. @Michelle
    The left is in denial that all its beliefs are based in Christianity. I used to argue with a co-worker about this. He felt that ethics and morality were natural. He hated William Golding and his novel, "Lord of the Flies". I told him that Jeffrey Dalmer would have been a celebrated warrior in Mohawk society. Or in New Guinea. Christianity is responsible for pacifism. Most people on earth think that murder of the " other" is perfectly justified.

    Agreed on the larger point.

    I don’t know where Golding was coming from, but Lord of the Flies is at minimum the most Tory YA fiction ever written, in the sense of its assumption that rules and society exist precisely to tame the youth and keep order to protect the weak who would otherwise fall. But who have something to contribute if the state of nature can be contained. The idea that civilization is a great achievement on which our grip is forever sustained by our fingertips, with walls that need to be fully manned. To both mix metaphors and paraphrase an old Derb article about Kipling.

    I tend to take that view. I don’t go so far as, with RE Howard, to actually endorse the superiority of the barbarian. I respect his virtues and want civilization to keep some hold of his strengths to its own advantage. Not become him. That doesn’t preclude ruthlessness, just keeps it orderly.

    But in defence of the barbarians- is that really true about Dahmer? Would he not have been classed as preying on his own people, and quickly and unceremoniously tortured to death for it? I don’t recall him taking on anyone in a fair fight, ritualized or otherwise.

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