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  1. If that kid murders his mother, will anyone really be surprised?

    • Agree: Just Saying, TWS
  2. “Brainwashing is ok when its for the Communist cause!”

  3. anonymous[557] • Disclaimer says:

    Sure feel sorry for these kids with such messed-up parents. It’ll take them years to work out their issues imposed upon them by mommy and daddy dearest.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  4. Beliavsky says:

    Worse than saying idiotic things is pushing your 4-year-old to broadcast idiocy worldwide. How many 4-year-old boys or girls know what menstruation is? Why do they need to know?

  5. Wilkey says:

    Earlier in this transgender fiasco I feared that the Axis of Trannies was beginning to get the upper hand in this debate, not so much from actually convincing anyone as from making people who disagreed with them afraid to speak up. Overwhelming and articulate responses to Twats like that make me feel a lot more relieved.

  6. Dtbb says:

    That gives me UMS. Ugly mood swings.

    • LOL: Liza
  7. Yes, that 4 year old understands everything on that sign like I understand the underpinnings of the Higgs Bison. Is this using of her naive little one to prove some sick woke point worse or better than my recent idea of painting pro Trump slogans on both sides of a dog next election (in edible icing, BTW)? That whole turtles with swa-stickers on their shells thing got me really brainstorming….

    OK, I have not been an early adopter of crap like the Tweetceiver. I get that the 848 is people discussing this. What’s the 10 represent?

  8. @Beliavsky

    Hell, I’m over 10X that kid’s age, and I don’t really wanna know. I was told because, just as when I had a security clearance, I had a NEED to know. Menstruation is revealed on a need-to-know basis.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
    , @Pericles
  9. Has Elizabeth Warren retweeted this yet? You really don’t want to be the last to retweet something like this when you’re running for the Democratic nomination. It could be interpreted as a lack of commitment.

    • Replies: @anon
  10. Wilkey says:

    They used to tell us that the only difference between men and women was biological. That if girls and boys were raised in the exact same manner – same toys and expectations – that there would be no difference in how they turned out – same degree of interest in sports, same career choices, etc.

    Now they tell us that there are also no biological differences between men and women, either. A man can have a vagina and a woman can have a penis.

    So if there are no psychological differences between men and women and no biological differences, either, aren’t all they really insisting on is the right to labels that now mean absolutely nothing?

    And don’t get me started on the 57 other so-called genders. To the degree that they actually signify anything real all they identify is human variation in preferences and insanities that we have always known to exist. It’s a lot of crazies and egotists who look down on the vast majority of human beings as simple conformists who narrow-mindedly adhere to social expectations of “male” and “female” simply because we don’t insist on having a unique gender label. I’ve been spurning a fair number of gender expectations since I was a kid. That doesn’t make me something other than a man, and it doesn’t require a new gender label.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Charon
    , @Kratoklastes
  11. Muggles says:

    So tell me, why does “biological impossibility” = “inclusivity”?

    Even with radical surgery, no “trans” man has yet had a real menstrual flow period.

    So is this addled mama going to make her poor son (feel sorry for this little guy) hold a sign reading “up is down” ? “Gravity doesn’t work”, etc. Holding some sign he can’t possibly read or understand doesn’t turn falsehood into truth.

    Jesus.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  12. Steve, did you see the study that declared no difference in Male and female learning therefore the sex differences in STEM were simply Programming Bros holding down super smart w*men?

    Sample size of the study? 110 children, aged 3 to 10 year old.

  13. Liza says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    S/B “Higgs Boson”. Thinking about buffalo, are we? 🙂

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  14. Thomm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    848 people made comments, but there is no indication of how many are for or against.

    10 is just the number of retweets. 29 people ‘liked’ it, which is worrisome. We can hope that 90% of people are silently appalled by this, but Steve’s title does not prove this.

    As horrid as this mother is, Steve does himself no favors with this degree of sloppy journalism.

  15. @kaganovitch

    Thanks. (I would have thought it’d be thumbs-up or thumbs-down.)

  16. Forbes says:

    The comments on that Twitter post are hilarious–scorching.

    Like others, I don’t “get” the “ratio” thing–and don’t care to…

  17. J.Ross says:

    A New Jersey bus driver has had his Norinco SKS seized without due process as political punishment for anti-Semitism in online comments.
    https://archive.md/g43SH
    This celebrates the recent sentencing to two (2) months of a black man who caved in the skull of a white man with a baseball bat but did not kill him. Two months. Our justice system is surely correct.
    (4chan admonitions: don’t reside in New Jersey, don’t reveal your power level, and don’t buy Chinese firearms.)

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Joe Stalin
  18. anon[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly, never the the first to stop clapping and don’t be the last retweeter.

  19. El Dato says:

    Some parents continue to believe they are in Disneyworld even though they are supposed to be all grown up.

  20. El Dato says:
    @kaganovitch

    The semiotics would tell me that 848 people are blowing bubbles (discussing?) while 10 people are recycling (re-tweeting?) and 29 love this stuff (or have heart attacks).

    The last icon is a mine.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  21. @El Dato

    Yeah, 848 comments at that time. Many of which are quite funny.

  22. 4 year olds who are forced to respond with propaganda slogans like a Vietcong-held POW are the backbone of our democracy.

    • LOL: Dtbb, TelfoedJohn
  23. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross

    Is that a “Red Flag” law in action??

    Our justice system is surely correct.

  24. BenKenobi says:
    @anonymous

    Even more surprising is the kid looks full brown. Bit of a unicorn moment to see diverse parents so pozzed.

    I believe another commenter made the point a few days ago that the parents of “trans” children are overwhelmingly White. I suppose that falls in the “flight from White” category.

  25. JimDandy says:

    Dennis Prager brought up the fact that this is a new part of the progressive delusion, and Bill Maher mocked him for suggesting such a crazy thing:

    • Replies: @indocon
  26. @Thomm

    I seem to recall that just about as many people “liked” New Coke, way back when you were probably a sperm and an egg who hadn’t met yet.

    One of Steve’s points here, I think at least, is that those numbers are (read carefully now) N-O-T-H-I-N-G, and yet it is a “viral” post.

    Propagandists have no shame and do not need to understand math.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  27. @J.Ross

    Proving once again why the Second Amendment is about individual rights and not some government controlled militia which the gun controllers love to conflate with the National guard or State militia.

  28. JimB says:
    @Beliavsky

    Worse than saying idiotic things is pushing your 4-year-old to broadcast idiocy worldwide.

    Another Indian mother campaigning to get her son into Harvard in 14 years.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  29. Is it a surprise liberals want to lower the voting age? Not able to think for yourself = more votes for whoever controls “education.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  30. Bhaskara… one method for solving quadratic equations was known as “Bhaskara’s formula” where I live. But now everyone knows it isn’t Bhaskara’s, but al-Khwarzimi’s formula. I think. I don’t know. What do I know, anyway? I don’t know men can have menstrual periods, or that it is adequate to have a child publicly declare his knowledge about menstruation for the world to see…

  31. Thomm says:
    @JimB

    er… the mother is white. RTFA.

    But the South Asian father is too much of a cuck to obstruct it.

  32. Whiskey says: • Website

    Wow just Wow a White woman and non White husband father. Who could have seen that coming.

  33. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    >I get that the 848 is people discussing this. What’s the 10 represent?

    Retweets. Meaning the original get shown on your twitter page (and to your followers). For much of the userbase, it’s considered an act of appreciation/agreement. You almost have to disclaim “Retweets are not endorsements” in your profile if your retweets are ambiguous and not in agreement.

  34. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Stanford professor who changed America with just one study was also a liar

    By Susannah Cahalan

    Students loved professor David Rosenhan for his golden voice and charismatic teaching style, but his ability to embroider a story infected his research.

    Stanford psychology and law professor David Rosenhan could transfix an audience in a crowded lecture hall with just a few words.

    “What is abnormality?” he would ask undergraduate students, his deep and resonant golden voice building and booming. “What are we here for? Some things will be black … Others will be white. But be prepared for shades of gray.”

    Rosenhan would know. His own life, as I would later find out, was filled with shades of gray.

    He wasn’t particularly attractive — the word often used to describe him was “balding” — but there was something magnetic, even seductive, about him, especially in front of a crowd.

    His students called it a gift, describing his ability to “rivet a group of two to three hundred students with dynamic lectures that are full of feeling and poetry.” One student recalled how Rosenhan opened one of his lectures while sitting on a student’s lap — as a way to test the class’ reaction to abnormal behavior.

    His research work was also groundbreaking. In 1973, Rosenhan published the paper “On Being Sane in Insane Places” in the prestigious journal Science, and it was a sensation. The study, in which eight healthy volunteers went undercover as “pseudopatients” in 12 psychiatric hospitals across the country, discovered harrowing conditions that led to national outrage. His findings helped expedite the widespread closure of psychiatric institutions across the country, changing mental-health care in the US forever.

    https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/stanford-professor-who-changed-america-with-just-one-study-was-also-a-liar/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  35. @Anonymous

    The notion that somebody could

    A. Intentionally lie his way into a mental hospital
    B. Not like it once he was in there

    Seems less that jaw-dropping. Presumably, if B were less often true, than A would happen more often. But because mental hospitals weren’t much fun, not many people intentionally deceived their way in.

  36. Barnard says:
    @Beliavsky

    In a time not too long ago, if a boy had showed up at kindergarten or preschool talking about periods it would have resulted in a phone call to the mother.

    We got a few issues of Parents for free for some reason when our son was born last year. I didn’t do more than glance at the cover but I’m not really surprised at this.

  37. @Buzz Mohawk

    OK, I didn’t know that was part of the point either, but as a fairly numerate guy, with only rare run-ins with twitter, I agree that a number less than 1,000 is not what anyone usually calls viral. There’s gotta be a time factor too, but you’d think you’d need a few hundred thousand within a day to be considered having “gone viral”.

    Yeah, New Coke sucked. but at least we didn’t get all atwitter about it. We sucked it up and waited a couple of years for “Coke Classic”. What a big scam that was… almost as bad as Social Security or Global Climate Disruption(TM).

  38. Charon says:
    @Wilkey

    Now they tell us that there are also no biological differences between men and women, either. A man can have a vagina and a woman can have a penis.

    So if there are no psychological differences between men and women and no biological differences, either, aren’t all they really insisting on is the right to labels that now mean absolutely nothing?

    Seems to me that this should be an abrupt end to any and all sexual-discrimination agitation, lawsuits, legislation.

    If things are so much better for men in our society, then everyone would now be identifying as men. Isn’t happening, though, is it.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  39. I’d be quite remiss if I didn’t toot my own horn here, having covered the ground that this 4-year-old is up in arms about, at the beginning of this year, with “Can Male to Female Transexuals have Periods?”.

    The gist of it is that the plumbing (pumps, tubing, valves, etc.) is something that American engineering can handle. It’s that electronic interface that would cause the mood swings to go along with these PEPs (Precision Engineered Periods) that would require a modern Apollo-program effort to implement, with a current-era Steve Stephanie Austin:

    “Comin’ forward with the sidestick… I’ve got a blow-out … I can’t hold it … she’s breaking up ….”

    “We have the technology. We can rebuild her, better, faster, moodier.” It’s the six million dollar Tran.

  40. Elli says:

    I spent many years teaching a son on the autistic spectrum that he’d better apply his mind to figuring out how people thought and society worked, because even though they could figure him out more easily than he could understand them, they weren’t going to bother.

    Now a select set of misfits can fly the grievance flag high: “Acknowledge me! Accommodate me! Validate me!” And some fraction of society is devoting themselves to just that.

    But only some misfits, the kind that earn their champions public virtue points. The rest of the misfits, ah well, too bad, you’re not in style and you never have been. Compound your unhappiness with gender confusion, try some trans shoes on. No wonder there’s such a vast increase of unhappy young people rolling the alphabet dice.

    • Agree: Charon, Mr McKenna
  41. Charon says:
    @Wilkey

    Bit of a unicorn moment to see diverse parents so pozzed.

    Diverse parents watch TV too. Why shouldn’t they? It’s all about them. Especially if they are white woman / POC male as this couple appears to be.

    Why would a white woman choose a white man as her partner in the Current Year? She’d have to spend the rest of her life apologizing.

    At the office, in Church, at the grocery store, in restaurants, at the spa, at college reunions, on cruise ships, at the theater, at the doctor’s office. At family gatherings even. It gets exhausting after a while.

    • Replies: @Charon
  42. @Steve Sailer

    Milly Bhaskara = Ms Yak Hairball.

    But because mental hospitals weren’t much fun, not many people intentionally deceived their way in.

    848 to 10 to 29: Now, That’s a Ratio!

    Beats Chicago by quite a margin.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  43. @bigdicknick

    Is it a surprise liberals want to lower the voting age? Not able to think for yourself = more votes for whoever controls “education.”

    The voting age should be lowered for any US citizen subject to draft registration during the next Congress. That would be half of those between 15 years, 324 days and 17 years, 364 days.

  44. Alfa158 says:

    I thought the point of the message was that if a woman starts to identify as male, she is henceforth a genuine man, even if she has had no bodywork done and is still menstruating. Hence; some men have periods.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  45. Charon says:
    @Charon

    Sorry, this comment was supposed to be a response to BenKenobi.

  46. There’s definitely something wrong with “modern” women.

    First “feminism” along with the whole minoritarian “oppression” vibe, also embraced this strong “we have to be doing what men are doing to have value” vibe devaluing the one essential and unique thing that women do–motherhood. (And often crossed right inot sneerily demeaning women who embraced it.)

    Now, we have all these women cheerily, enthusiastically rushing out to announce their absolutely compliance with the latest minoritarian orthodoxy … which basically pissed all over precisely their unique, separate and defining biology.

    And here, a woman ready to pimp out the essential invaluable product of her feminity–her own child–in the service of signalling her virtue … by denying an essential female nature.

    Good grief. You’ve been given a gift–from God, from nature–to be and do what i as a penis person can not do. And this is how you treat it?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  47. indocon says:
    @JimDandy

    I don’t like Dennis Prager or Mike Cernovich or Ben Shapiro, all for the same reason.

  48. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    More sophisticated is The Numbers Band (15 60 75):

    The Numbers Band (a.k.a. 15-60-75) are an American blues rock[1] and experimental rock band formed in Kent, Ohio, United States in 1969. They are part of the ‘Akron Sound’ that sprang forth from their home state.

    The title of the band has always aroused curiosity from fans. The fans called them The Numbers because it was easier than trying to get the figures right. Numbers had not been used in a name before, and the political climate in 1970 was quite Orwell-ian. Robert choose a sequence of numbers mentioned in a book written by Paul Oliver called The Blues Fell This Morning. In the chapter “The Jinx Is On Me”, Oliver describes the Numbers Racket popular in Harlem in the 1950s and how dreams were analyzed as number sequences and used for placing bets. The band’s music theory specialist, Terry Hynde, also discovered that 15 divided 15 is 1, 60 divided by 15 is 4, and 75 divided by 15 is 5. In a musician’s world, “1, 4, 5,” is referred to as the “universal progression”.

    (Yes, Terry has a sister, who is somewhat better known than he is, and this does not bother him.)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  49. @Wilkey

    They used to tell us that the only difference between men and women was biological. That if girls and boys were raised in the exact same manner – same toys and expectations – that there would be no difference in how they turned out – same degree of interest in sports, same career choices, etc.

    Thankfully I was exposed to a different “They” than you were. I have extremely strong memories of my early school career: if someone had come at me with “Boys and girls have the same potential” I would have laughed so hard that I would have been expelled.

    Then again, I started school in 1969, in a place that was not infected with idiotic American sociological nostrums.

    By the mid-70s the tsunami of US-sourced sociological horseshit had even reached the centre of Australia, so my poor younger siblings were swept up in it (I was at school back in Ao Tea Roa, oblivious to the tsunami).

    I got back to Australia in 1977, and high schools were still being taught by sensible career teacher-as-vocation people in their 40s (children still got the cane for misbehaving) but primary schools were lost.

    By the mid-90s when I was a university tutor, high schools were lost.

    A decade after that, universities were lost.

    I don’t view this as something to worry about. It gives the bottom 9 deciles a cheap way to feel good about themselves – but they still have to compete, and they don’t do that very well (otherwise they would be inside the top decile).

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  50. @Buzz Mohawk

    Bet it’s not as good as “8675309”.

    Jenny, I got your number…
    I need to make you mi-ine,
    Jenny don’t change your num-ber…
    8-6-7-5-3-0-ni-ee-i-ine

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  51. @Anonymous

    Thanks. That’s interesting. (And I like Terry’s sister.)

    • Replies: @donvonburg
  52. @Buzz Mohawk

    And at risk of over-egging the pudding… “46&2”.

    “I been wallowing in my own chaotic, insecure delusions
    I wanna feel the change consume me
    Feel the outside turning in
    I wanna feel the metamorphosis and cleansing I’ve endured in…”

    Really nicely constructed rock song. Less buggerising around with different metre (like in Ænima – which makes it impossible to use that song for a cycling playlits lol).

  53. anon[920] • Disclaimer says:

    I got the six…

  54. jon says:
    @Thomm

    ratioed
    Being revealed as an idiot on twitter by having a high ratio of comments to likes and retweets.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratioed

  55. @Buzz Mohawk

    Here was me getting all excited that you’d given a link to John Farnham’s 1969 version, or his outstanding live version from the “Whispering Jack” tour almost 20 years later. (I’ve been listening to Tool since my last comment – and being blown away anew by the polymetre and polyrhythm… staggering)

    Farnham’s 1986 voice was much purer than the dude from 3 Dog Night. (Not disrespecting those guys – they were awesome).

    Feast your ears… that’s his real voice. Farnham was second only to Jimmy Barnes for pitch-perfect live performance where you just thought – “Have they fucked up the key? He’s gonna run out of range” … but he always smashed it – not only did he get there, but he held it for longer than I could hold my breath.

    Best time of my young-adult life was working security for those guys.

  56. 7:38:55

    7% of what we communicate is by words; I doubt these are the kid’s words.

    38% of what we communicate is by vocal signals; we can’t hear the kid say anything, so ….

    55% of what we communicate is by body language; judging purely by the look on the kid’s face, he probably doesn’t share in his mother’s BS opinion. I doubt he really cares, but that doesn’t make it any less child abuse.

  57. @Thomm

    Nonsense.

    If you agree you like or retweet, if you disagree you comment as any fule kno. It’s not an iron rule, but it’s good enough for government work.

  58. @Achmed E. Newman

    There are certain tells you pick up on over the years. Some more or less universal and some peculiar to the individual, when you’ve worked with her long enough you figure it out, if you pay attention. I usually don’t want to know but sometimes it becomes obvious.

    I have a co-worker who wears black jeans that week, for instance, and at no other time. I guess she doesn’t realize anyone else notices. Another starts drinking a lot of Dr. Pepper for the days before and switches to coffee when things start happening.

    In high reliability electronics manufacturing, especially things like the old core memory, delay lines, mil spec magnetics, oscilloscope CRT and exotic RF tube manufacturing (TWTs, klystrons, etc) QA inspectors looking at reject/rework rates could accurately and consistently plot a worker’s cycle. Often they’d figure out when one was pregnant before she herself would know. WWII crypto team supervisors figured the same thing out as well.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk

    I think 427 likes his niece better. Not that it’s going to amount to anything.

  60. Some men have periods; I have an exclamation point.

  61. @Steve Sailer

    I’ve seen some of this in kids today especially girls. They’ve been taught to be triggered so much that they try to be committed for a ‘rest’ at tax payer expense. Once they get inside they discover it’s not a hotel and want to come home. Still it’s not as bad as it could be. The people who used to be in there screaming and babbling incoherently are now on the street downtown.

    • Agree: Liza
  62. Hhsiii says:
    @Muggles

    She’s talking about biological females who identify as men who still can’t avoid the fact they have periods.

  63. @Alfa158

    That’s right. What is a man? A person who says they are a man. The early trans pioneers kept it simple:

  64. Neuday says:

    I remember learning about this stuff in Junior High. I knew girls were weak and slow, couldn’t play sports, weren’t funny or clever, took school way too seriously and NOW you tell me they bleed from between their legs and have to wear a wad of cotton to soak up the blood? For days at a time? Sucks to be you! Being a guy rocks!!

    Years later began their revenge.

    • LOL: Liza
  65. Ed says:

    Next to Jews I don’t think there’s a demographic more onboard the SJW wacky train than Indians.

  66. El Dato says:
    @AnotherDad

    Once you tell women that there is a ghostly oppressed minority somewhere beyond the seven hills who gets it 5 ways to Sunday 24/7, they will do whatever to help out.

    Especially if it is cheap.

    Even if the oppressed minority doesn’t exist or has real problems and going near them is a recipe for disaster or event violent “encounters”.

    This is why NYT et al. should be tightly controlled. If there are “impeachment proceedings” for Presidents, there should be “unwinding proceedings” for “news” outlets. It’s a matter of public health.

  67. Pericles says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Your task, Newman, is to go to the convenience store and pick up the Product. I will tell you the purpose when you need to know.”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  68. @Kratoklastes

    They’ve captured the educational establishment and bureaucracy, who teach and enforce the gender-fluid gospel. They’ve captured the media, which propagandizes it endlessly. Big Business is all on board with the message, and anybody off-message is being denied a platform. The Anglosphere militaries are about to write it into their policies if they haven’t already.

    Kratoklastes: “I don’t view this as something to worry about.”

    • Agree: Dissident
  69. @Steve Sailer

    How much of a blow was the cinematic One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest to the psychiatric system? Nicholson played a free spirit who got a lobotomy and thanks to that and clever fools like in the original post we all get to deal with the mentally ill.

  70. Dr. Doom says:

    As predicted, the token victim class is getting smaller.

    Soon it will be one wall-eyed, autistic, hunch backed, mixed race freak.

  71. notsaying says:

    I think there’s a 0% chance that this little boy understand the true meaning of the sign he is holding. I don’t think he understands it at all.

    That’s a blessing. There’s a lot of things that just can’t be explained to a 4 year old.

  72. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Different and more better ratio: 36 – 22 – 36

    • Replies: @Dissident
  73. Dissident says:
    @anon

    Not sure what that is but looks sufficiently risque` that it would be considerate to hide it behind the “MORE” tag with a warning. (Such as “NSFW” or “Somewhat risque content”)
    ~ ~ ~
    Apropos to the larger topic:

    When I was a young child at the stage of first learning the difference between the sexes, I went through a phase in which I expressed a wish to be a girl. Thankfully, it was short lived. My parents and any other adults who had power over me were firm in asserting the clear and unambiguous objective reality that I was a boy. To the best of my memory, I was not allowed to don girls’ attire or the like.

    But what if that immature, probably curiosity-driven, foolish whim of mine had been indulged? I shudder to think…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    I have a relative who was indulged in this way by a mother who ostensibly thought it was “cute”. Sure enough he turned into a poof and died of an especially virulent STD before he was thirty. Our family has mostly ostracized his mother because they figure she did it on purpose, but I’m not so sure; I think she might just have been dumb enough to think that this would not have consequences.

    At any rate letting kids play-act at destructive fantasies is never a good idea. People who train lions and tigers and whatnot have a firm rule of never letting a cute cub do something that you cannot abide it doing as a grown animal.

  75. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    I think she might just have been dumb enough to think that this would not have consequences.

    Women generally do not understand cause and effect. Watch what they do vs. what they say, it is obvious.

  76. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m pretty sure this is all hormonal. If a guy’s nads are working correctly, he’s going turn out heterosexual no matter how girly-girl he was raised. Upbringing probably only makes a difference in a few borderline cases.

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