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Tracey Ullman has been doing TV sketches for decades about women who fall in love with death row inmates. Here’s one from the 1990s in which ACLU lawyeress Sydney Kross talks shy bankteller Kay Clark (both Ullman) into marrying her Death Row penpal:

Ullman’s greatest version of this theme was from a half dozen years ago: White Widow Gretchen Pincus, who has married a half dozen African-American inmates of the Huntsville Death Row, such as the Wet Wipe Killer and the Tastee-Freez Rapist. But it evidently made almost no splash in popular culture and I can’t find the video online anymore.

Ullman has always seemed extremely funny to me and to television executives, but not, so far as I can tell, to anybody else.

 
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  1. When a 26 year old woman marries an ancient dinosaur, that ancient mummy usually has his financial shit together.

    But in Charles Manson’s case, he does not have a penny to his name and when he dies she will not financially gain anything from him. This chick must be a devil worshipper who belongs to a cult, that is the only explanation for why she is so drawn to Mr. Helter Skelter.

    Cults are so 1978 (reference to Jonestown). This chick is living in the past.

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  2. Charles Manson was a co-writer on The Beach Boys song “Never Learn Not to Love”.

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    Jesus hates,
    Tax rebates
    Sharon Tate’s
    Roller skates.

    - name the band

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  4. Attention whore. If she’s smart, she sell her story to the highest bidder as soon as he croaks. Manson is still famous enough to warrant a decent advance for a titillating tell-all.

    Let’s be honest: When you see a man and a woman together, in your mind you see them having sex. If both are attractive, this thought is pleasant; if only one is good-looking, it’s bearable. But when they’re both ugly … ugh.

    (I haven’t seen her, but the thought of Charles Manson naked is enough to make any woman seem hideous.)

    With that in mind, let me ask: Who is the ideal iSteveian man? I’m seeing a 6’5″, 250-pound, 7% BMI, blond-haired, blue-eyed Nordic who’s stronger, faster, and better-endowed than the most virile African, and smarter, sharper, and craftier than the most intelligent Jew. He plays a mean game of golf, but he always pauses to appreciate the majesty of the course architecture. And he always supports the interests of his fellow Americans over those of Swedes *and* Somalians.

    As for the ideal woman … well, this isn’t 50 Shades.

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    • Replies: @Eric
    She bears an eerie resemblance to a young Susan Atkins.
    Not drop-dead gorgeous by any means, but kinda cute.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/charles-manson-79-marry-girlfriend-star-25-article-1.1526791

    Not sure what that says about Charlie though, since it was Atkins' big mouth that got them caught in the first place.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    The late heavyweight boxer Corrie Sanders was big and fast and also a very good golfer, IIRC. Not blond though, and didn't have 7% body fat.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    My husband does read here.
  5. It would seem that old Charlie’s hasn’t lost his mojo with the ladies.

    If this girl’s scheming beyond this holy wedlock with Charlie, she’s quite likely to end up on the grinning end of a lucrative book deal. At the least she could come away with a nice Chunk-O-Change just for newspaper rights to her story, maybe even more for movie rights.

    My guess is that old Charlie will live to be 103, which would very likely have an attenuating, depressing effect on his widow’s prospects of cashing in on True Confessions With Charlie.

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  6. I would like to see Johnny Depp play Charles Manson or Jim Jones in a future film, because in most of his films he plays a dark or weird eccentric character.

    Johnny Depp rarely plays a normal everyday guy in his movies. When it comes to choosing film roles, Johnny Depp is the weirdest most artistic eccentric actor in Hollywood and that says a lot in an industry full of weirdos. Johnny Depp prefers to play characters that are out of the mainstream and are part of a fringe demographic.

    If Johnny Depp had not become an actor, he probably would have ended up working at Hot Topic with all of the other Emo Hipsters or ended up joining a cult.

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  7. Richard Ramirez had a lot of attention in jail from females, but he was extremely good looking
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    Charles Manson was not alleged to have been present at killings, but of ordering his followers to commit them . The conduct of his trial was quite extraordinary, and he may be innocent.

    He certainly could not be convicted today in the same way. The women in his commune wanted to testify that Manson had not told anyone to commit killings but the judge ruled the jury would not hear that testimony.

    The college graduate who is acknowledged actually committed the grisly murders that Manson was convicted of responsibility for ordering, married and fathered a number of children in prison. Manson can’t get ‘family’ (ie sex) visits because he hasn’t got a parole date.


    “Ullman has always seemed extremely funny to me and to television executives, but not, so far as I can tell, to anybody else”

    As a very young girl in England she became locally known for doing handstands–sans panties.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    He certainly could not be convicted today in the same way. The women in his commune wanted to testify that Manson had not told anyone to commit killings but the judge ruled the jury would not hear that testimony.
     
    That would be hearsay or outside their personal knowledge, in any event, so how could it be admissible? If each woman wanted to testify that he didn't tell *her* to kill anyone, that would be admissible.
  8. @Stan Adams
    Attention whore. If she's smart, she sell her story to the highest bidder as soon as he croaks. Manson is still famous enough to warrant a decent advance for a titillating tell-all.

    Let's be honest: When you see a man and a woman together, in your mind you see them having sex. If both are attractive, this thought is pleasant; if only one is good-looking, it's bearable. But when they're both ugly ... ugh.

    (I haven't seen her, but the thought of Charles Manson naked is enough to make any woman seem hideous.)

    With that in mind, let me ask: Who is the ideal iSteveian man? I'm seeing a 6'5", 250-pound, 7% BMI, blond-haired, blue-eyed Nordic who's stronger, faster, and better-endowed than the most virile African, and smarter, sharper, and craftier than the most intelligent Jew. He plays a mean game of golf, but he always pauses to appreciate the majesty of the course architecture. And he always supports the interests of his fellow Americans over those of Swedes *and* Somalians.

    As for the ideal woman ... well, this isn't 50 Shades.

    She bears an eerie resemblance to a young Susan Atkins.
    Not drop-dead gorgeous by any means, but kinda cute.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/charles-manson-79-marry-girlfriend-star-25-article-1.1526791

    Not sure what that says about Charlie though, since it was Atkins’ big mouth that got them caught in the first place.

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  9. @Stan Adams
    Attention whore. If she's smart, she sell her story to the highest bidder as soon as he croaks. Manson is still famous enough to warrant a decent advance for a titillating tell-all.

    Let's be honest: When you see a man and a woman together, in your mind you see them having sex. If both are attractive, this thought is pleasant; if only one is good-looking, it's bearable. But when they're both ugly ... ugh.

    (I haven't seen her, but the thought of Charles Manson naked is enough to make any woman seem hideous.)

    With that in mind, let me ask: Who is the ideal iSteveian man? I'm seeing a 6'5", 250-pound, 7% BMI, blond-haired, blue-eyed Nordic who's stronger, faster, and better-endowed than the most virile African, and smarter, sharper, and craftier than the most intelligent Jew. He plays a mean game of golf, but he always pauses to appreciate the majesty of the course architecture. And he always supports the interests of his fellow Americans over those of Swedes *and* Somalians.

    As for the ideal woman ... well, this isn't 50 Shades.

    The late heavyweight boxer Corrie Sanders was big and fast and also a very good golfer, IIRC. Not blond though, and didn’t have 7% body fat.

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    Off topic, but would love to hear Sailer’s take on this. I was surprised and impressed with this interview of an ethically Korean woman who wrote a play, Straight White Men.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/11/17/364760889/in-straight-white-men-a-play-explores-the-reality-of-privilege

    “KI asked a roomful of women, queer people and minorities, ‘What do you want straight men to do? And what do you want them to be like?’ ” she recalls.

    Lee wrote the answers all down. It boiled down to this: They wanted the straight white male character to sit down and shut up.

    “When you hear that around the table, you just feel yourself sinking slowly into the chair,” remembers James Stanley, who plays the character created from the list. The character, named Matt, is a sort of idealized straight white male. He works for a not-for-profit and is guided by a sense of trying not to — in his words — “make things worse.” Lee and Stanley workshopped the character in front of the students. Who hated him.”

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  11. Since none of the previous posters have mentioned Tracey Ullman I will, She is definitely someone who you understand or get when you get older, when I first saw her skits as a teenager the humor was lost on me, but now I find her hilarious. The thing about Ullman though is that a lot of her humor is bucking a wider entertainment industry trend, she predominately makes fun of women and from a female perspective, and these include women of all different racial and socioeconomic backgrounds, as well as including a lesbian. Getting back to a recent previous post she was like Tina Fey, before Tina Fey. Look back at her famous 1980′s video, ” They Don’t Know ” The video seems like a perfect reflection of what the songwriter ( Ullman ) wanted to convey about the song, which is basically making fun of the silly conceits of an 18-20 year old girl infatuated with a “bad boy”. The irony of the video is that, everyone else is right about him, he is a lousy choice for a boyfriend/husband, but she is the only one who can’t see that. That video was basically what made her popular in the US, I think she was already somewhat famous in the UK at the time.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Her great 1990s Tracey Takes On characters like Chic, the incredibly sexist and self-confident Muslim cabdriver in New York, mostly derive from her early 1980s visit to America to promote her one New Wave pop single. For example, Fern, the extremely Jewish housewife from Long Island, is based on her agent's mom. Her best character Ruby Romaine, the elderly makeup artist with endless stories about all the Golden Age Hollywood leading men she slept with, is based on an old lady who made her up on this trip.

    She must have been in an extremely perceptive state of mind where everything is new to her on that trip.

  12. @Unladen Swallow
    Since none of the previous posters have mentioned Tracey Ullman I will, She is definitely someone who you understand or get when you get older, when I first saw her skits as a teenager the humor was lost on me, but now I find her hilarious. The thing about Ullman though is that a lot of her humor is bucking a wider entertainment industry trend, she predominately makes fun of women and from a female perspective, and these include women of all different racial and socioeconomic backgrounds, as well as including a lesbian. Getting back to a recent previous post she was like Tina Fey, before Tina Fey. Look back at her famous 1980's video, " They Don't Know " The video seems like a perfect reflection of what the songwriter ( Ullman ) wanted to convey about the song, which is basically making fun of the silly conceits of an 18-20 year old girl infatuated with a "bad boy". The irony of the video is that, everyone else is right about him, he is a lousy choice for a boyfriend/husband, but she is the only one who can't see that. That video was basically what made her popular in the US, I think she was already somewhat famous in the UK at the time.

    Her great 1990s Tracey Takes On characters like Chic, the incredibly sexist and self-confident Muslim cabdriver in New York, mostly derive from her early 1980s visit to America to promote her one New Wave pop single. For example, Fern, the extremely Jewish housewife from Long Island, is based on her agent’s mom. Her best character Ruby Romaine, the elderly makeup artist with endless stories about all the Golden Age Hollywood leading men she slept with, is based on an old lady who made her up on this trip.

    She must have been in an extremely perceptive state of mind where everything is new to her on that trip.

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  13. Of all the bat shit crazy people on earth — psycho Muslim killers, weirdo Asians, whatever — there is no creature more bat shit crazy than a crazy white woman. They have cornered the market on crazy.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    If the two manage to have children the resulting offspring might be biologically pretty amazing.
  14. Scott Peterson reportedly had marriage proposals already waiting for him when he arrived at San Quentin. Richard Ramirez, the “Night Stalker”, had groupies fighting over him as to who would be the one to marry him. Ditto for Ted Bundy. The list goes on from the infamous to the obscure. Just Google a related phrase such as ‘death row groupies’ and see what you can come up with; it’s a way to kill some time if you’re bored and feel the need for doing some amateur cultural surveying. Seems to be primarily a female activity and so can engender yet another round of theorizing about the psychology of women, an inexhaustible subject apparently.

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  15. The Day Today was a highly regarded British satirical “news” comedy from the mid-1990s which featured a weekly report from its American correspondent “Barbara Wintergreen”, invariably reporting the execution of a felon. The accents are out of place, but otherwise this strikes me as both funny and a pretty good simulacrum of 1990s US TV news.

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  16. Some people you can tell are insane just by looking at them. They both fit the bill perfectly.

    I have this terrible feeling they’ll find a way to conceive.

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  17. I think marrying incarcerated serial killers is the female version of spree killing. Not as deadly, but equally disturbing.

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  18. Charles Manson didn’t think things out very well. If the blacks had the ability, desire, organization and intelligence to take over the world, then what would they have ever needed with him and his band of vagabonds holed out in Death Valley?

    For you St. Louisans, Al Wiman, who did medical reporting on Channel 4 for a long time, was one of the three at the time KABC reporters that retraced the path that the killers took after one of the Helter Skelter murders after the GJ testimony was leaked to the LAT who then published it, those reporters found a lot of bloody clothes which later became evidence.

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    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "For you St. Louisans, Al Wiman, who did medical reporting on Channel 4 for a long time, was one of the three at the time KABC reporters that retraced the path that the killers took after one of the Helter Skelter murders after the GJ testimony was leaked to the LAT who then published it, those reporters found a lot of bloody clothes which later became evidence."

    If that story is true, and not embellishment it sure doesn't make you feel better about the ability of law enforcement to investigate crimes.

    I mean wouldn't you think the police would have done this as soon as they got the information later given to the grand jury?

    Yet these "bloody clothes" that are used in the trial, and found by reporters, much later than even the police knew of the possible route?

    Doesn't really add up. I'd be kind of curious to see a dna test done on these clothes.
  19. Tookie Williams said a lot of the women who get attached to death row prisoners were foreign, German ect.

    Rob, Manson shot a drug dealer but didn’t finish the job, and the dealer dimed him.

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    • Replies: @Sean
    The so called race war beliefs of Manson mainly stemmed from his fear of retaliation from the Black Panthers after he shot a black drug dealer who he thought the Panthers were protecting.
  20. @countenance
    Charles Manson didn't think things out very well. If the blacks had the ability, desire, organization and intelligence to take over the world, then what would they have ever needed with him and his band of vagabonds holed out in Death Valley?

    For you St. Louisans, Al Wiman, who did medical reporting on Channel 4 for a long time, was one of the three at the time KABC reporters that retraced the path that the killers took after one of the Helter Skelter murders after the GJ testimony was leaked to the LAT who then published it, those reporters found a lot of bloody clothes which later became evidence.

    “For you St. Louisans, Al Wiman, who did medical reporting on Channel 4 for a long time, was one of the three at the time KABC reporters that retraced the path that the killers took after one of the Helter Skelter murders after the GJ testimony was leaked to the LAT who then published it, those reporters found a lot of bloody clothes which later became evidence.”

    If that story is true, and not embellishment it sure doesn’t make you feel better about the ability of law enforcement to investigate crimes.

    I mean wouldn’t you think the police would have done this as soon as they got the information later given to the grand jury?

    Yet these “bloody clothes” that are used in the trial, and found by reporters, much later than even the police knew of the possible route?

    Doesn’t really add up. I’d be kind of curious to see a dna test done on these clothes.

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  21. There are rumors that James Franco might play Richard Ramirez in a film, which does not make sense because James Franco is White and Richard Ramirez is a Mestizo.

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  22. Catherine Tate has done a similar comedy sketch.

    Murderers and psychos all have fan clubs of demented misfit women. If any convict with Manson’s notoriety were to put an ad out for a wife, he’d have dozens of serious offers.

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    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    This has been going on for ages. Consider this passage from "The Beggar's Opera" (1729):

    MRS. PEACHUM. "You know, my dear, I never meddle in matters of Death; I always leave those affairs to you. Women indeed are utter bad judges in these cases, for they are so partial to the brave that they think every man handsome who is going to the Camp or the Gallows.

    AIR III. Cold & raw, &c.

    "If any wench Venus's girdle wear,
    Though she be ever so ugly;
    Lillies and roses will quickly appear,
    And her face look wond'rous smugly.
    Beneath the left ear so fit but a cord,
    (A rope so chraming Zone is!)
    The Youth in his cart hath the air of a Lord,
    And we cry, There dies an Adonis!"

    Of course, that was written back when people who committed serious crimes were not only sentenced to death, but actually executed.

  23. No one ought to be surprised by women’s desire for felons. No, not all women. But the arrow of desire points that way; outliers pursue felons and convicted murderers, even convicted murderers of women. Joran Van Der Sloot has/had (I think he may have died in a Peruvian prison from a stabbing) women visiting him and wanting to marry him. Not ugly women or stupid ones, but smart and pretty ones. Richard Ramirez’s wife is a hot looking lawyer chick who is a member of MENSA.

    The arrow points to female desire for male aggression. Intelligence, focus on abstract things, geekiness, non-social dominance provoke rage (like Shirtstorm) by women that say, murdering a bunch of women doesn’t.

    The dog that is not barking in the night-time, and the reason Ullman’s career floundered, is that not only do women NOT criticize other women for marrying convicted murderers in prison, they won’t tolerate OTHER WOMEN (like Ullman) doing so.

    Yeah, big surprise non-Whites, White women, etc. want White guys to shut up and sit down and basically die. This is the urge in feminism (a rage against unsexy White guys not being dominant enough) and in racial terms, the various agit-rights movements. BUT … for guys to get women interested, they have to be dominant. For about say, 30% of women, extreme dominance like … well killing people. For about the other 70%, various forms of social dominance, charisma, casual social cruelty (nothing arouses women like cruelty directed at other people) and so on are absolute necessities for any sort of female desire. Fifty Shades of Grey did not sell 50 million copies on literary merit. But rather raw female desire.

    So here’s the contradiction: White guys to make non-Whites and a lot of White women happy, have to go off into a corner and just die. “Sit down and shut up.” Doing so is a guarantee of involuntary celibacy and what Lion of the Blogosphere dubs “Beta Male Rage.” Most women don’t want criminals or murderers, but don’t tolerate criticism of those who do out of fear their own bad boy obsessions would be next.

    This is why you see female rage over PUA. And attempts to get them deported or imprisoned. Women fear most being “tricked” by a guy just posing as a bad boy who is not really dangerous.

    What you never see of course is women pursuing nice guy dentists who are say, in a bowling league or collect baseball statistics.

    We live in a female dominated society because of mass consumer advertising — women make or influence 85% of all purchases.

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    The problem with this analysis is that non-aggressive beta males actually have more kids than most bad boys do. Research shows that non-gay guys with passive characteristics are just as likely to be married and have large families.

    Similarly, the idea that the nerdy mild mannered accountant is ending up celibate because all the girls are chasing confident bad boys is rubbish. It's tends to be the hipster SWPL types and nerdy or aggressive females that are ending up having the least kids - which is kind of ironic considering they're so influential from a cultural perspective.
  24. Ulman always seemed to be doing Jew comedy with a British accent. I think that is why she never really became a superstar on either side of the pond.

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  25. Didn’t Tracey Ullman give the Simpsons their first big debut?

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    • Replies: @Abe
    Yep, and if THE SIMPSONS had gracefully called it a wrap in 2000 or even, say, 2003 (after 9/11 had been satisfactorily digested) she would be recalled fondly for that alone. But THE SIMPSONS keep grinding on, sucking in all light, life, and hope in its nimbus. 10 years of sterling comedy, followed by 5 years of mediocrity so numbing it took the show back to exactly zero and inspired in my imagination wild schemes for saving it- age the characters 15 years and make it a heartfelt family drama again, set it an alternate reality where the Simpsons are all robots, something! But then they exhausted even those spurts of fancy in one-off episodes, and ground on for another 5 years of tepid satire.

    I hate THE SIMPSONS now because it has become a symbol for the inertia in my own life- you have vague notions of getting in shape, finding a better job, procuring a younger mistress, but you just can't seem to find the time and all of a sudden it's half a decade later. And as certain as I am of anything, I know that someday I'll be laid over in Akron and with nothing better to do in the meantime, there'll be THE SIMPSONS on the TV, ready for me in my moment of weakness, and I WILL succumb (least it won't appear as a separate item on the motel bill).

    I wonder, BTW, how über-SWPL Matt Groening justifies squeezing ever last cent out of this turnip. Probably imagines that even nobler than keeping your artistic integrity is sacrificing it (secret honor and all that) so that thousands of blue collar TV tradesfolk can have steady work.

  26. @Sean
    Tookie Williams said a lot of the women who get attached to death row prisoners were foreign, German ect.

    Rob, Manson shot a drug dealer but didn't finish the job, and the dealer dimed him.

    The so called race war beliefs of Manson mainly stemmed from his fear of retaliation from the Black Panthers after he shot a black drug dealer who he thought the Panthers were protecting.

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    • Replies: @Abe
    Manson's crazy theories about his "family" surviving and even thriving after blacks had exterminated whites was premised on the theory that liberal whites would rather commit suicide than side with the wrong sort of whites if a race war ever broke out. This one insight alone makes him the most important sociologist of the 21st Century.
  27. @Sean
    Richard Ramirez had a lot of attention in jail from females, but he was extremely good looking
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    Charles Manson was not alleged to have been present at killings, but of ordering his followers to commit them . The conduct of his trial was quite extraordinary, and he may be innocent.

    He certainly could not be convicted today in the same way. The women in his commune wanted to testify that Manson had not told anyone to commit killings but the judge ruled the jury would not hear that testimony.

    The college graduate who is acknowledged actually committed the grisly murders that Manson was convicted of responsibility for ordering, married and fathered a number of children in prison. Manson can't get 'family' (ie sex) visits because he hasn't got a parole date.

    ---
    "Ullman has always seemed extremely funny to me and to television executives, but not, so far as I can tell, to anybody else"

    As a very young girl in England she became locally known for doing handstands--sans panties.

    He certainly could not be convicted today in the same way. The women in his commune wanted to testify that Manson had not told anyone to commit killings but the judge ruled the jury would not hear that testimony.

    That would be hearsay or outside their personal knowledge, in any event, so how could it be admissible? If each woman wanted to testify that he didn’t tell *her* to kill anyone, that would be admissible.

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  28. There are some wild conspiracy theories about the Beatles and Manson and Polanski and Rosemary’s Baby and the murder of John Lennon in front of the Dakota.

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  29. Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme considers herself Charlies wife. She’s out of prison now too. This 26 year old best hope Squeaky is not jealous and hasn’t learned how to fire a .45 auto.

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    it makes evolutionary sense for a women to be attracted to a man who is violent on behalf of his mate, but most of these women are nuts. for a women to want to have a relationship with scott peterson, a guy who ensured his own genetic lineage is a dead end, is maladaptive.

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  31. During the mid-00′s Catherine Tate had a BBC show that was similar, esp. for scholars of fine class distinctions, which had a Death Row bride too:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Catherine_Tate_Show_characters#Elaine_Figgis

    Ullman’s probably funnier but usually runs at that hyper-shticky super-chutzpah speed which doesn’t translate well in Peoria (somewhat the case in her film roles, too); to quote the late Troy McClure, “the nation’s showcase for psychiatrist jokes and musical comedy numbers”

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  32. It takes a gay Jewish man to truly understand the love of an insane white woman for a serial killer. Squeaky Fromm, from “Assassins”:

    I am nothing,
    You are wind and devil and God,
    Charlie,
    Take my blood and my body
    For your love.
    Let me feel fire,
    Let me drink poison,
    Tell me to tear my heart in two,
    If that’s what you want me to do…

    I am unworthy of your love,
    Charlie darling,
    I have done nothing for your love.
    Let me be worthy of your love,
    Set me free.

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  33. As Tracey Ullman frequently plays Jewish characters, she is often mistakenly considered Jewish. Actually, her father was a Polish Catholic soldier who was evacuated from Dunkirk in 1940. The Polish armed forces in exile were one of the largest Allied armies during WW II.

    By the way, a common misconception about Polish names is that they only end in -ski, -cki, -icz, or -ak (as in Pat Sajak). Actually, the Germans and the Polish cohabited the same area for over 1000 years. As a result, there was a lot of intermarriage, and hundreds of thousand of Germans have Polish names, and hundreds of thousand of the Polish have German names (e.g., von Clausewitz). As an example of this sort of mixing, Angela Merkel and Donald Tusk, former prime minister of Poland who is about to assume a high level position in the EU, are related

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  34. @Sean
    The so called race war beliefs of Manson mainly stemmed from his fear of retaliation from the Black Panthers after he shot a black drug dealer who he thought the Panthers were protecting.

    Manson’s crazy theories about his “family” surviving and even thriving after blacks had exterminated whites was premised on the theory that liberal whites would rather commit suicide than side with the wrong sort of whites if a race war ever broke out. This one insight alone makes him the most important sociologist of the 21st Century.

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  35. @Camlost
    Didn't Tracey Ullman give the Simpsons their first big debut?

    Yep, and if THE SIMPSONS had gracefully called it a wrap in 2000 or even, say, 2003 (after 9/11 had been satisfactorily digested) she would be recalled fondly for that alone. But THE SIMPSONS keep grinding on, sucking in all light, life, and hope in its nimbus. 10 years of sterling comedy, followed by 5 years of mediocrity so numbing it took the show back to exactly zero and inspired in my imagination wild schemes for saving it- age the characters 15 years and make it a heartfelt family drama again, set it an alternate reality where the Simpsons are all robots, something! But then they exhausted even those spurts of fancy in one-off episodes, and ground on for another 5 years of tepid satire.

    I hate THE SIMPSONS now because it has become a symbol for the inertia in my own life- you have vague notions of getting in shape, finding a better job, procuring a younger mistress, but you just can’t seem to find the time and all of a sudden it’s half a decade later. And as certain as I am of anything, I know that someday I’ll be laid over in Akron and with nothing better to do in the meantime, there’ll be THE SIMPSONS on the TV, ready for me in my moment of weakness, and I WILL succumb (least it won’t appear as a separate item on the motel bill).

    I wonder, BTW, how über-SWPL Matt Groening justifies squeezing ever last cent out of this turnip. Probably imagines that even nobler than keeping your artistic integrity is sacrificing it (secret honor and all that) so that thousands of blue collar TV tradesfolk can have steady work.

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  36. For some reason Ullman’s characters/shows always needed about a decade and some fine tuning to become hits. Look at the Simpsons, which started on her 1980′s show but really hit its stride mid-90s when they consciously dropped Bart as the center of the show and replaced him with Homer.

    In fact, that may be why Ullman’s work is so under-appreciated by the masses but beloved by the elites: she consciously focuses on secondary characters/stereotypes, and makes them 3-dimensional, but still funny. It’s like an acting exercise where you take a 5th Business and create their entire inner world.

    That appeals to more intelligent persons, but can be a drag to the masses, who just want the 2ndary character to be 2ndary and just keep the plot/action moving. Six Pack Joe doesn’t care about the inner life of Jewish Agent Stereotype Lady, but just wants her to get Castle his next book deal so that Castle can go on and get jiggy with Beckett over another case.

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  37. No link to the Manson story? That’s not like Steve.

    The one I read didn’t sound in the least like the usual prison groupie tale. It was more that an idealistic coed found her “freedom rider” cause in exonerating an innocent (to her) man, and is willing to contract a marriage of convenience with him in order to extract information from the state available only to a spouse.

    That’s crazy, yes, but it’s a different flavor of crazy.

    As Tina sang, “What’s love got to do with it?”

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  38. there are over 300 million biological machines in america called humans. With respect to how well these machines operate, most of them are in the middle of the bell curve. Some operate very well. Some are however on the other end of the bell curve.

    This poor girl is on the “does not operate that well” end of the bell curve. Female homo sapiens are evolved to seek males of high social status. Most females however understand that Manson does not fit this category. This girl is just a broken machine that is seeking a high status male. A defective machine that goes through its rubric, but her brain does not function well enough to allow her to discern that Manson is not a high status male.

    A female bower bird seeks the male bower bird that builds the “correct and proper” bower. The female judges the bower, its structure, the colors of the bower, the frequency of the male song, etc. The female bird has a rubric built into its brain. The rubric is simple–it has to be: the bower bird’s brain is not that complex.

    The rubric of the female homo sapiens is however more complex. Sadly, on that 300 million strong bell curve, you will have some machines that cannot deal with the complexity required. Poor kid. Here is an interview of her:

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    If women are the gender that chooses mates based on genetic fitness, you have to accept the fact that some women just have that particular gene screwed in backwards. Seriously, you could not find a less fit mate than Manson if you tried. Crazy, Evil, Violent, and Incarcerated with no hope of reproducing is a mirror image of the usual female pickiness. That’s the miner’s canary of mating. Maybe these women serve the purpose of rescuing the species by vacuuming up all the evil dudes so the rest of us can reproduce in peace.

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  40. Manson IS a high-status male. That he’s been in prison all these years despite not having killed anyone means that a lot of wealthy/powerful people are still afraid of him. That’s power right there. If he were of no account he would have been turned loose a long time ago.

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  41. @Stan Adams
    Attention whore. If she's smart, she sell her story to the highest bidder as soon as he croaks. Manson is still famous enough to warrant a decent advance for a titillating tell-all.

    Let's be honest: When you see a man and a woman together, in your mind you see them having sex. If both are attractive, this thought is pleasant; if only one is good-looking, it's bearable. But when they're both ugly ... ugh.

    (I haven't seen her, but the thought of Charles Manson naked is enough to make any woman seem hideous.)

    With that in mind, let me ask: Who is the ideal iSteveian man? I'm seeing a 6'5", 250-pound, 7% BMI, blond-haired, blue-eyed Nordic who's stronger, faster, and better-endowed than the most virile African, and smarter, sharper, and craftier than the most intelligent Jew. He plays a mean game of golf, but he always pauses to appreciate the majesty of the course architecture. And he always supports the interests of his fellow Americans over those of Swedes *and* Somalians.

    As for the ideal woman ... well, this isn't 50 Shades.

    My husband does read here.

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  42. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Manson IS a high-status male. That he’s been in prison all these years despite not having killed anyone means that a lot of wealthy/powerful people are still afraid of him. That’s power right there. If he were of no account he would have been turned loose a long time ago.”

    lol wut.

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  43. ” Richard Ramirez’s wife is a hot looking lawyer chick who is a member of MENSA.”

    Saying Richard Ramirez’s wife is hot is a huge stretch. She would not exactly turn a lot of male heads at a bar.

    https://38.media.tumblr.com/e7f8ed81fcbc3f905707c6b321be1691/tumblr_n0hwsePQKa1sodnmxo4_500.jpg

    She is no Olivia Newton John that’s for damn sure.

    “White women, etc. want White guys to shut up and sit down and basically die. This is the urge in feminism (a rage against unsexy White guys not being dominant enough) and in racial terms, the various agit-rights movements.”

    Studies have came out indicating that the vast majority of White women on online dating sites romantically prefer White men.

    So White women who want White guys to sit down and die are obviously in the minority.

    “This is why you see female rage over PUA. And attempts to get them deported or imprisoned. Women fear most being “tricked” by a guy just posing as a bad boy who is not really dangerous.”

    Most PUA teachers are scam artists. They charge a guy thousands of dollars promising to teach him the ropes, but most of the time they don’t really learn anything and in the end he is not better off than he was before. The only difference is that his bank account is lighter. Most PUA teachers charge thousands of dollars for common sense advice that you can get for free by browsing through PUA discussion boards.

    “What you never see of course is women pursuing nice guy dentists who are say, in a bowling league or collect baseball statistics.”

    Most nice guy dentists have their financial shit together and that comes off as sexy as hell in the eyes of a lot women who put high value on a man that can provide them financial security.

    It all depends on the female demographic group. African American and Hispanic women on average are more likely to want a thug/bad boy, while East Asian and Jewish women on average are more likely to want a guy who has a good credit score and a 401K.

    Among Gentile women, the White trash types on average want a bad boy/thug, while middle and upper class Shiksahs want to marry a successful Frasier Crane type who is sophisticated and articulate.

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  44. Ben Tillman, the judge ( I think his rationale was said that the women had been brainwashed) refused to let the jury hear what some of the accused women said about Manson definitely not having told them to carry out the killings. As Manson was never alleged to have been present ate any of the killings that was remarkable.

    The killings were basically the work of the men with the women going along and sometimes ordered to participate. The women were regarded as abnormal and none of the women convicted of murder have been released. But Clem Grogan was released in the mid-eighties, though he was more actively involved in a murder than Van Houten who got sentenced to death and is still inside.
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    Abe, I think a lot of what was called the ideology and motive was created by the prosecution. because their evidence was weak. Manson feared blacks because he got into a hassle and shot a black drug dealer and he thought the Panthers were after him What is certain is that after Dennis Wilson picking up a couple of Manson’s girls hitchhiking Manson got to know some people in the music business and got the idea that he could be a star. It was when his main hope for success contact a guy called Melcher lost interest in him and Manson was given the bums rush when he turned up at Melchers house which he had rented to Tate and friends that contact that Manson sent the killers.

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    "It was when his main hope for success contact a guy called Melcher lost interest in him"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Melcher#Encounter_with_Manson_family

    Terry Melcher was Doris Day's son. BTW, I think Tracey Ullman's very funny, too. I was sorry when she vanished from British TV some 20 years back. She did 'types' beautifully - her Sloanes were great.

  45. As Tracey Ullman frequently plays Jewish characters, she is often mistakenly considered Jewish. Actually, her father was a Polish Catholic soldier who was evacuated from Dunkirk in 1940. The Polish armed forces in exile were one of the largest Allied armies during WW II.

    Wikipedia says she is part-gypsy on her mother’s side.

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  46. Ruth Ann Moorehouse youngest and best looking of the Manson family girls was scooped after Manson was invited back for dinner by her ex minister father who had picked Manson up hitchhiking Manson’s first conquest Mary Brunner and Catherine Share were going to hijack a jet to free Manson. They got in a gunfight with police and served six years Squeaky Fromme waved a gun at Pres Ford and 15 days later Sara Jane Moore got off a random shot –they served thirty years. So how did Charlie do it? One of Manson’s girls said he was the only person who had ever told her she was beautiful.
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    Melcher was the son of Doris Day BTW. Manson getting frozen out by Melcher and being told not to bother the new tenants when he went to see Melcher and found Tate and her friends. And the day after the Tate killings Manson’s group killed the neighbours of another music business contact he was angry at. Nothing to do with Helter Skelter race war, that was the prosecutor’s creative interpretation to make things neat and tidy for the jury, and he made a lot of money of the book.

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    Ousich may have been the sexiest, but Leslie Van Houten was the best looking. High school year books from the 1970's show that many young White women had the same long, straight-ironed hair and vacant stare as the Manson gals until the rise of disco.
  47. @Sean
    Ben Tillman, the judge ( I think his rationale was said that the women had been brainwashed) refused to let the jury hear what some of the accused women said about Manson definitely not having told them to carry out the killings. As Manson was never alleged to have been present ate any of the killings that was remarkable.

    The killings were basically the work of the men with the women going along and sometimes ordered to participate. The women were regarded as abnormal and none of the women convicted of murder have been released. But Clem Grogan was released in the mid-eighties, though he was more actively involved in a murder than Van Houten who got sentenced to death and is still inside.
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    Abe, I think a lot of what was called the ideology and motive was created by the prosecution. because their evidence was weak. Manson feared blacks because he got into a hassle and shot a black drug dealer and he thought the Panthers were after him What is certain is that after Dennis Wilson picking up a couple of Manson's girls hitchhiking Manson got to know some people in the music business and got the idea that he could be a star. It was when his main hope for success contact a guy called Melcher lost interest in him and Manson was given the bums rush when he turned up at Melchers house which he had rented to Tate and friends that contact that Manson sent the killers.

    “It was when his main hope for success contact a guy called Melcher lost interest in him”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Melcher#Encounter_with_Manson_family

    Terry Melcher was Doris Day’s son. BTW, I think Tracey Ullman’s very funny, too. I was sorry when she vanished from British TV some 20 years back. She did ‘types’ beautifully – her Sloanes were great.

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  48. @Rob McX
    Catherine Tate has done a similar comedy sketch.

    Murderers and psychos all have fan clubs of demented misfit women. If any convict with Manson's notoriety were to put an ad out for a wife, he'd have dozens of serious offers.

    This has been going on for ages. Consider this passage from “The Beggar’s Opera” (1729):

    MRS. PEACHUM. “You know, my dear, I never meddle in matters of Death; I always leave those affairs to you. Women indeed are utter bad judges in these cases, for they are so partial to the brave that they think every man handsome who is going to the Camp or the Gallows.

    AIR III. Cold & raw, &c.

    “If any wench Venus’s girdle wear,
    Though she be ever so ugly;
    Lillies and roses will quickly appear,
    And her face look wond’rous smugly.
    Beneath the left ear so fit but a cord,
    (A rope so chraming Zone is!)
    The Youth in his cart hath the air of a Lord,
    And we cry, There dies an Adonis!”

    Of course, that was written back when people who committed serious crimes were not only sentenced to death, but actually executed.

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  49. “Whiskey, have at it, Son:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSiFiMs1Pfw

    I am not surprised that the Sista was making out with the bad boy looking dude, but did not give him the time of the day when he was dressed like a nerd.

    Not many Sistas are open to dating nerds. I have been to Comic Con in San Diego which is considered heaven for nerds and I saw very few Sistas there.

    You will never see any of the male cast members on “The Big Bang Theory” have a romantic Black female love interest.

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    You will never see any of the male cast members on “The Big Bang Theory” have a romantic Black female love interest.
     
    Oh hey, if it doesn't happen on TV, you theory is 100% valid.
  50. Manson was present at the slayings of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, the second night. He admitted that in his autobiography.

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  51. @peterike
    Of all the bat shit crazy people on earth -- psycho Muslim killers, weirdo Asians, whatever -- there is no creature more bat shit crazy than a crazy white woman. They have cornered the market on crazy.

    If the two manage to have children the resulting offspring might be biologically pretty amazing.

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  52. @Jefferson
    "Whiskey, have at it, Son:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSiFiMs1Pfw"

    I am not surprised that the Sista was making out with the bad boy looking dude, but did not give him the time of the day when he was dressed like a nerd.

    Not many Sistas are open to dating nerds. I have been to Comic Con in San Diego which is considered heaven for nerds and I saw very few Sistas there.

    You will never see any of the male cast members on "The Big Bang Theory" have a romantic Black female love interest.

    You will never see any of the male cast members on “The Big Bang Theory” have a romantic Black female love interest.

    Oh hey, if it doesn’t happen on TV, you theory is 100% valid.

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  53. @Whiskey
    No one ought to be surprised by women's desire for felons. No, not all women. But the arrow of desire points that way; outliers pursue felons and convicted murderers, even convicted murderers of women. Joran Van Der Sloot has/had (I think he may have died in a Peruvian prison from a stabbing) women visiting him and wanting to marry him. Not ugly women or stupid ones, but smart and pretty ones. Richard Ramirez's wife is a hot looking lawyer chick who is a member of MENSA.

    The arrow points to female desire for male aggression. Intelligence, focus on abstract things, geekiness, non-social dominance provoke rage (like Shirtstorm) by women that say, murdering a bunch of women doesn't.

    The dog that is not barking in the night-time, and the reason Ullman's career floundered, is that not only do women NOT criticize other women for marrying convicted murderers in prison, they won't tolerate OTHER WOMEN (like Ullman) doing so.

    Yeah, big surprise non-Whites, White women, etc. want White guys to shut up and sit down and basically die. This is the urge in feminism (a rage against unsexy White guys not being dominant enough) and in racial terms, the various agit-rights movements. BUT ... for guys to get women interested, they have to be dominant. For about say, 30% of women, extreme dominance like ... well killing people. For about the other 70%, various forms of social dominance, charisma, casual social cruelty (nothing arouses women like cruelty directed at other people) and so on are absolute necessities for any sort of female desire. Fifty Shades of Grey did not sell 50 million copies on literary merit. But rather raw female desire.

    So here's the contradiction: White guys to make non-Whites and a lot of White women happy, have to go off into a corner and just die. "Sit down and shut up." Doing so is a guarantee of involuntary celibacy and what Lion of the Blogosphere dubs "Beta Male Rage." Most women don't want criminals or murderers, but don't tolerate criticism of those who do out of fear their own bad boy obsessions would be next.

    This is why you see female rage over PUA. And attempts to get them deported or imprisoned. Women fear most being "tricked" by a guy just posing as a bad boy who is not really dangerous.

    What you never see of course is women pursuing nice guy dentists who are say, in a bowling league or collect baseball statistics.

    We live in a female dominated society because of mass consumer advertising -- women make or influence 85% of all purchases.

    The problem with this analysis is that non-aggressive beta males actually have more kids than most bad boys do. Research shows that non-gay guys with passive characteristics are just as likely to be married and have large families.

    Similarly, the idea that the nerdy mild mannered accountant is ending up celibate because all the girls are chasing confident bad boys is rubbish. It’s tends to be the hipster SWPL types and nerdy or aggressive females that are ending up having the least kids – which is kind of ironic considering they’re so influential from a cultural perspective.

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  54. @Sean
    Ruth Ann Moorehouse youngest and best looking of the Manson family girls was scooped after Manson was invited back for dinner by her ex minister father who had picked Manson up hitchhiking Manson's first conquest Mary Brunner and Catherine Share were going to hijack a jet to free Manson. They got in a gunfight with police and served six years Squeaky Fromme waved a gun at Pres Ford and 15 days later Sara Jane Moore got off a random shot --they served thirty years. So how did Charlie do it? One of Manson's girls said he was the only person who had ever told her she was beautiful.
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    Melcher was the son of Doris Day BTW. Manson getting frozen out by Melcher and being told not to bother the new tenants when he went to see Melcher and found Tate and her friends. And the day after the Tate killings Manson's group killed the neighbours of another music business contact he was angry at. Nothing to do with Helter Skelter race war, that was the prosecutor's creative interpretation to make things neat and tidy for the jury, and he made a lot of money of the book.

    Ousich may have been the sexiest, but Leslie Van Houten was the best looking. High school year books from the 1970′s show that many young White women had the same long, straight-ironed hair and vacant stare as the Manson gals until the rise of disco.

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