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Here’s my iSteve blog post from May 6, 2016 responding to a May 2, 2016 Associated Press article that ran in the Washington Post under the title “Clinton’s top priorities: Gun control and immigration reform. Could she deliver on either?

2012

As I mentioned recently, the Washington Post ran a trial balloon claiming that Hillary intended to run in the fall on immigration expansion and gun control.

Looking at the 2012 electoral college map, that looks even more suicidal than it originally sounded. The Democrats prospered in 2012 by carrying almost all of the heavily wooded Rust Belt Great Lakes states where deer hunting is a big part of the culture, like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan.

… And Obama carried a higher share of white male votes in these states than he did elsewhere.

If Hillary were running against Ted Cruz from Texas, she could probably count on carrying the Great Lakes states out of cultural incompatibility. But Donald Trump has upset the old map and nobody is too sure what the new map is going to look like. …

Or it could be that Hillary is thinking of gun control as a potential women’s issue that’s not lesbian-feminist, that’s more of a mother’s issue that will appeal to the women-with-sons slice of the electorate. She campaigns with various black mothers of boys shot by cops so maybe she even figures she could buy off BLM with gun control without alienating pro-law-and-order white moderates. Cops kind of like gun control, right?

The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

– They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

– They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

So whenever the Democrats start talking about gun control, they end up going on and on about how the real threat is all those evil redneck white males with their scary rifles.

They just can’t help themselves.

And then they lose the election.

Here’s the 2016 map, with Michigan not yet quite certain for Trump and New Hampshire not yet quite certain for Clinton:

Screenshot 2016-11-11 15.45.17

 
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  1. “- They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.”

    The same for abortion. They can never admit it’s a form of black genocide, and they’re too ignorant to see it.

  2. As much as I enjoy the scolding of the left for its condescending attitude toward what is still a huge swathe of the electorate, the real reason she lost – as it appears to me – is that the GOP managed to hold serve as far as typical turnout goes and the Democrats have seen an incredibly steep decline since 2008. Nearly 10 million fewer people pulled the lever for Clinton ’16 versus Obama ’08 and about 4.5 M fewer than Obama ’12. GOP turnout was actually slightly lower this year than 2012, but basically 2008, 2012, and 2016 totals were pretty similar.

    At the end of the day, without a minority at the top of the ticket, a ton of left-leaning voters just checked out and some small but significant number of Sanders supporters refused to vote for their party’s nominee.

    The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020. It wouldn’t take much to wrest back a half million critical votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and hand the presidency back to a Democrat. Absent another Bernie-type figure I am not sure the Democrats will nominate a white person to head their presidential ticket again.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020."

    Indeed; the absurd candidate beat the appalling candidate. And deserved to.
    , @Marty
    If the Dems get those states back just by nominating someone black, after Obama made it so obvious how much he hates white people, it'll prove that whites are as stupid as blacks think they are.
    , @cynthia curran
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.
    , @Ed
    Votes are still being counted, Californa says it has about 4 million to go.
  3. Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The turnover of the D party to blacks/violent Muslims reminds me of how Tammany Hall was turned over to blacks in the end---and thus ceased to exist.
    , @fish

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!
     
    Everytime the democrats go and look like they might right the ship and clean up their act


    ....THEY TOTALLY GO AND REDEEM THEMSELVES IN MY CYNICAL SEMI RIGHT WING EYES!


    Jump You Fuckers!
    , @epebble
    Rep. Ellison may be the winning Democratic candidate for 2020 or 2024? He seems to be a black Sen. Sanders.
    , @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797186000686555140
    If Donald won because of low minority turnout I really, really, really hope whites learn in time for 2020 that they didn't just smash the establishment in 2016, they staved off being crushed, because if they don't....
    , @Maj
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.


    Please let this be true. Don't tease me, bro!
    , @Anon
    Is it becoming like British Labour?
    , @Ron Mexico
    "Just what the Dems need as their front man!"

    Dems going full retard. Never go full retard. We need to encourage this behavior.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really."

    That sounds like good news, but one should be leary of wishing that the enemy choose "that guy" because we're sure to beat him. In the near term, Ellison probably will hurt them. But the Clinton campaign thought that Trump was the man to beat (as did the Carter campaign about Reagan). Who knows what will be popular in 2020? Ellison in charge of the DNC may be no big deal by then. I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.
    , @AP
    So they are determined to have Trump win the next election.
    , @Menschmaschine

    Ellison is also anti Israel
     
    Naturally, the first and by far most important criteria for a Ziocon. What was his crime? Only supporting half a gazillion yearly increase in US welfare payments to Israel instead of the full one?
    , @Anon
    "Ellison is also anti Israel"

    American Right needs to side with Palestinians as well.

    De-program yourself from kneejerk servility to Zion.

    The Entire Jewish Global Power Network tried to Palestinianize the white race. Not only in the US but in the ancient homelands of Europe.

    99% of Jewish-controlled institutions pushed the 'refugee' crisis on Europe.

    Israelis come to Greece to welcome 'refugees' headed to Europe. Incredible!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5p2zt0ne_4

    Hillary, their whore, promised her masters to finish off White America.

    NYT and entire Ivy League power structure condemn Hungary for trying to preserve itself.

    Despite all this, the Right still favors Israel over Palestinians?

    Remember, we didn't start this hostility. American Right supported Israel and became pro-Jewish.
    It is the Jews who've been unrelenting in their demand that all white nations be Palestinianized thru endless invasions.

    In saying NO to Invasivism, we need to side with Palestinians, the first people to be Palestinianized.

    2016 was a year when most of the Jewish Powers that be (even in the GOP) denounced any supporter of Trump as deplorable subhuman nazi and etc.

    This level of dehumanization was surpassed only by Nazis and commies.

    And if Trump had lost, the powers of Zion would have their boots over your face in the mud(like in Spielberg's Lincoln) and gloating over your demise.

    The Right didn't ask for this fight with Jews. They waged it on the Right.
    Right must side with Palestinians.

    Zion can never be trusted.

    How they really feel:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/10/04/the-case-for-trump-uncle-tim-endorsement/

  4. Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white."

    This is how you know Robert De Niro is an extremely good actor, he often plays characters that you could easily see being Donald Trump supporters even though he is a Left Winger on steroids in real life. Travis Bickle definitely fits the attitude of a Donald Trump supporter.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I won't ever watch another DeNiro movie again. That isn't much of a hardship, as he hasn't been in a good movie for a while. The last good movie I saw him in was Limitless, and he was the worst part of it. I won't even watch his old movies anymore; no big deal - I've seen Goodfellas enough.
    , @David In TN
    "Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white."

    Isn't it funny that De Niro portrayed "The Deer Hunter" and Hillary lost the Deer Hunter States.
  5. Trump sort of outflanked them though with promises to revive manufacturing and expand fossil fuel production. The Dems post-Al Gore can’t really respond to that because environmentalism is now a major platform of theirs and they have major environmentalist donors like Tom Steyer that they have to please.

  6. @Arclight
    As much as I enjoy the scolding of the left for its condescending attitude toward what is still a huge swathe of the electorate, the real reason she lost - as it appears to me - is that the GOP managed to hold serve as far as typical turnout goes and the Democrats have seen an incredibly steep decline since 2008. Nearly 10 million fewer people pulled the lever for Clinton '16 versus Obama '08 and about 4.5 M fewer than Obama '12. GOP turnout was actually slightly lower this year than 2012, but basically 2008, 2012, and 2016 totals were pretty similar.

    At the end of the day, without a minority at the top of the ticket, a ton of left-leaning voters just checked out and some small but significant number of Sanders supporters refused to vote for their party's nominee.

    The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020. It wouldn't take much to wrest back a half million critical votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and hand the presidency back to a Democrat. Absent another Bernie-type figure I am not sure the Democrats will nominate a white person to head their presidential ticket again.

    “The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020.”

    Indeed; the absurd candidate beat the appalling candidate. And deserved to.

  7. The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today’s Democrats, at least. They’re neither that smart nor that self aware. They’re true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Agree.
    , @Dr. X

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today’s Democrats, at least. They’re neither that smart nor that self aware. They’re true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.
     
    That's true. The Hollywood Left and the advertising Left betray this. They portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes -- only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population -- commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.

    The Left does not believe that gun violence in black neighborhoods is the fault of blacks -- they believe it is the fault of the NRA and white males who insist on preserving Second Amendment rights.
    , @Jack D
    It's not as irrational as it sounds. Their plan is to keep pushing white men to the margins and on some level they realize that someday they will push to far and there will be a backlash. It would be better (for them) if it was an unarmed backlash.
    , @Boomstick
    The Democratic party's opposition to guns has a strong cultural warfare component, similar to the gay wedding cake controversy or making nuns pay for birth control. White heterosexual males like guns and don't like Democrats, so progressives have made it their mission to stick it to the NRA.
    , @David In TN
    The Democrats have a fixation on confiscating the guns of law abiding white citizens. I agree that they give little thought to guns possessed by "black guys in the hood."
    , @Lurker

    when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.
     
    The Agenda™ has been a success!
    , @Olorin
    There's also an element of black violence being Oh-So-Regrettable but basically admired by Dems in the depths of their psychological swamps.

    We were talking last week about how beta males will go into meltdown when they experience a T surge. They have been trained/brainwashed/propagandized to this, their very manhood weaponized against them.

    This is part of why DJT drives them to frenzy, or puts them in a state of easy suggestibility for that frenzy.

    Some of you saw the still photo of his expression and demeanor as the Secret Service agent grabbed him in Reno--the resolute stance of not backing down. The expression of a dad who has seen everything, looking on tempests and being unafraid.

    Males who have experienced nothing but punishment for reacting like that (genetically) have a whole lot to work out before they can own it themselves. Of course some of them are just weenies. But either way, the worship of gangsta/cRap mass culture has been been designed and offered to them as shackles.

    IME the teaching and encouragement of America's Martial Art is a specific against that brainwashing. A person who becomes familiar with firearms handling and the big changes in psyche that come along with that (when properly taught/socialized) will look at a lot of things differently, not just guns.

    That's the real threat--and promise--of the Second Amendment. And why the elites want it gone. It empowers in a non-BS way that elites cannot control.

    For Dems, their admiration of and fantasies about armed violent blacks is the only way they have to deal with nasty, non-rainbow-unicorn facts such as that there are different humanoid sub populations, in conflict for mates, territory, and resources. They may recognize this or not, and it doesn't matter. They are suggestible, and that is enough for the Sons of Bernays.

    Of course very many Dems and Dem voters are women. Which is why it's important to bring them along. (The hand that rocks the gun vault door....)

    The love of my life has found that being cheerful and nondefensive about being a People Of The Gun is an excellent source of Zen slaps to women who aren't demonstrably insane/borderline.

    Especially in the wake of MSM not being able to ignore Ferguson, Baltimore, and Milwaukee. It starts off as a wide-eyed comment like, "A bunch of friends are having girls' day at the skeet and trap club this weekend. Would you like to come along? Two of them are Olympic-ranked athletes, but we've got newcomers too. Afterward we go over to the saloon for beer and lace knitting."

    Eventually the Dem is admitting sotto voce over one-on-one coffee that she is, in fact, deeply concerned about personal safety.

    It's a lot more rewarding than just hating on them. I come here to vent that. On the firing line, my better angels are in charge. Another gift of RKBA.
    , @Hcat
    And the guys in the hood are one of the real arguments for gun control!
  8. A whopping 81 percent of White Evangelicals voted for Donald J. Trump.
    http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/758096?section=Politics&keywords=poll-white-evangelicals-voted&year=2016&month=11&date=09&id=758096&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=www.google.com

    God bless the White Evangelicals. They are the only White group who votes in a monolithic bloc that almost rivals with Blacks with their 88 percent support for Crooked Hillary.

    White Evangelicals are the Right Wing version of Blacks when it comes to monolithic party loyalty.

    White Evangelicals have more reason to be suspicious of the political Left than any other demographic group in America because they are hated by the political Left for both their faith/religion and their skin color.

    • Replies: @game123
    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.
  9. One possibility on the abortion issue, that would offend just about everyone would be to allow blacks and only blacks to determine the abortion laws with respect to black women. Similarly, whites and only whites would determine the abortion laws for whites. Vaguely Ottoman in fact.

    It would recognize the reality that blacks and whites really aren’t one nation, and in many respects, there does not exist a single set of laws that would accommodate both populations optimally.
    For instance, blacks are far more opposed to legal pot than whites. Why? Because blacks are affected differently by pot on average than whites, with a lot more of them acting out violently as opposed to the Shaggy white with the munchies pot user stereotype. Similar deltas exist with a lot of opiates and alcohol with other populations.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Sure and let's have whites determine what benefits they are prepared to fund and receive and let's have blacks do the same.
  10. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    What Trump should do.

    To score moral credit and to shame the other side, Trump should hold a gala for all the Trump Martyrs who were beaten, attacked, abused, pelted, belted, and bloodied. They were victims of the worst Political Hate Crime in a long time. They had to go up against the progots and maggots of Bull Connors style brutality. But these people didn’t buckle and showed real guts in their support of him… unlike the cucks who always got on their knees and kissed the asses of the likes of Sharpton and Tim Wise and others.

    At this gala, videos should be played of people knocked down, hit with rocks and eggs, pulled out of cars, etc.
    Trump needs to show that the other side owns thuggery. Smugs and Thugs.

    Or he should at least invite the Trump Martyrs to the Inauguration and give them priority seating.

    Be sure to invite this kid.

    http://comicbook.com/popculturenow/2016/11/11/mom-kicks-son-out-for-supporting-donald-trump/

    Someone should make a compilation video of all the anti-Trump violence and thug rhetoric and make it an immortal part of youtube lore.

    In some parts of US, it took real courage to support Trump. People had to brave not only verbal abuse but physical attack and even professional destruction.

  11. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    The turnover of the D party to blacks/violent Muslims reminds me of how Tammany Hall was turned over to blacks in the end—and thus ceased to exist.

    • Replies: @anon
    Love the Tammany Hall analogy .And it is my sincere hope that they double down on such schemes !!!!!!!!!!! Also if they can get Stewart , Bee , Noah ,Oliver , Maher , Colbert and the rest of them to double down on the snark and smug elitism and continue to taunt and ridicule half the country on a daily basis , that would be swell also !!!!!!!!!
    , @Thea
    As much as I want to get excited about this, anger and sticking to whitey can be the best motivators. They don't have to love the candidate, whites just have to hate him.

    Denis Prager wrote several years back that Jews will continue vote Democrat even if they say death to Israel. Why? I don't really know. Tribal animosity gone haywire?

    , @European in America
    The Tammany Hall analogy is very apt. Black voters are the kingmakers of the Dem nomination process. They choose the nominee. Any black candidate in the Dem primary has a huge, built-in advantage. Problem is, the eminently electable Obama was a one off. I don't see anyone remotely comparable in the Dem ranks. Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable. Their only strong candidate isMichelle, but she hates politics and won't run. And if the nominee is not black, as in this year, black voters won't turn out in the general. I can't see them turning out for someone like Elizabeth Warren any more than they did for Hillary. So it's either an unelectable black nominee or reduced black turnout for the Dems. It was the lower black turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee that killed Hillary's.
  12. Never Trumper Evan McMullin who is a Mormon lost the majority Mormon state of Utah. That’s extremely embarrassing. In a what if scenario it’s the equivalent of Barack Hussein Obama losing the majority of the Black vote.

    A Mormon presidential candidate who could not even convince most Mormon voters to vote for him, let alone most mainstream American voters.

    If Evan McMullin was the best candidate they had to offer, if he was their cream of the crop, the Never Trump movement is dead on arrival. They have no future in 2020.

    Evan McMullin underperformed even by 3rd Party standards, as Jill Stein won way more votes than him.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Kasich is already planning on running again in 2020.
    , @penntothal
    He was a strange choice.

    The people backing him should have known (or maybe they didn't vet this) that his having two mommies would spoil his appeal to fellow-Mormons otherwise predisposed to vote for him.

  13. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Everytime the democrats go and look like they might right the ship and clean up their act

    ….THEY TOTALLY GO AND REDEEM THEMSELVES IN MY CYNICAL SEMI RIGHT WING EYES!

    Jump You Fuckers!

  14. I relocated my U.S. residence to Oregon a couple of years ago.

    It has all the benefits of an SWPL state, basically life here is like wearing pajamas all day, it is an eloi like existence.

    But somehow, they are totally cool with gun rights and hunting. You wouldn’t believe the citizenship/residency verification for a DL, make any red state proud but they aren’t allowed to do it like a blue state. And the roads are great with very little traffic. Superlative sandwich makers too.

    Maybe they will secede.

    Frankly, it is much like a deer hunter state, demographically, shorn of dysfunctional rust belt cities and associated cultural heritage. If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020. Probably not worth the effort due to few EV, but it is definitely doable by a home grown brigade once Trump demonstrates that virtuous people can like him too.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    It used to be firearm-friendly, but Oregon is becoming gun-hostile in a typically Democratic party way. Portland/Eugene runs the state, and Portland has been overrun by hipster imports with utterly conventional left-wing politics. That includes gun control. They're OK on concealed carry, for now, but the governor wants to ban standard magazines and a bunch of other nonsense.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020."

    I agree, if by "flip Trump" you mean the Democrat wins Oregon 57-43 instead of 60-40.

    illary got a mere 52% here this time only because third-party candidates stole that other 8%.
    , @Boomstick
    The DL verification is strict because vehicle registration is so cheap. Out-of-staters were registering their vehicles in Oregon to dodge California taxes.

    A good summary of politics in Oregon below. It's run by Portland, and the rest of the state is irrelevant. Portland is conventional left. Alas, a lot of local political idiosyncrasies have been wiped out in the last few decades and have been replaced by a homogenized and uniform national politics. (Well, maybe except for Louisiana.)

    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/trumps_anti-government_stance.html#incart_2box

    Trump isn't exactly anti-government. That's just lazy reporting.
  15. @Arclight
    As much as I enjoy the scolding of the left for its condescending attitude toward what is still a huge swathe of the electorate, the real reason she lost - as it appears to me - is that the GOP managed to hold serve as far as typical turnout goes and the Democrats have seen an incredibly steep decline since 2008. Nearly 10 million fewer people pulled the lever for Clinton '16 versus Obama '08 and about 4.5 M fewer than Obama '12. GOP turnout was actually slightly lower this year than 2012, but basically 2008, 2012, and 2016 totals were pretty similar.

    At the end of the day, without a minority at the top of the ticket, a ton of left-leaning voters just checked out and some small but significant number of Sanders supporters refused to vote for their party's nominee.

    The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020. It wouldn't take much to wrest back a half million critical votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and hand the presidency back to a Democrat. Absent another Bernie-type figure I am not sure the Democrats will nominate a white person to head their presidential ticket again.

    If the Dems get those states back just by nominating someone black, after Obama made it so obvious how much he hates white people, it’ll prove that whites are as stupid as blacks think they are.

  16. Among Black Donald Trump supporters I bet the majority of them are either in the military, law enforcement, or work for Fox News lol.

  17. Lot: yeah but he’s really sorry about the whole Nation of Islam thing.

    71% of the Jewish vote must still be too high for the DNC.

  18. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Rep. Ellison may be the winning Democratic candidate for 2020 or 2024? He seems to be a black Sen. Sanders.

  19. 99.99% (real number) of the donations from Hollywood too, I guess.

  20. The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    So whenever the Democrats start talking about gun control, they end up going on and on about how the real threat is all those evil redneck white males with their scary rifles.

    Steve….Steve. Please. I hope you are being facetious? One of those subtle jokes you like to play, perhaps? Because certainly the dream gun policy of Democrats is taking all weapons away from whites down to screwdrivers and the kitchen knife while arming urban minorities with assault rifles and rocket launchers. Not that they’d ever admit it, of course.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @have we won yet
    I believe Steve's implicit point in that sentence was:

    Democrats don't actually care about blacks killing other blacks, but they do care about people-who-vote-for-Democrats killing other people-who-vote-for-Democrats.

    The "white guys with guns are the problem" talk is just how they maintain their own cognitive dissonance.
  21. Hillary and Bill

    Huma and Anthony

    Feminist and Womanizer

    More women use their brains, more their men use their groins.

    Bossy here and Horny there.

  22. Hillary played Russian Roulette.

    Final shot done her in.

  23. Queer-hunter vs Deer-hunter

  24. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797186000686555140
    If Donald won because of low minority turnout I really, really, really hope whites learn in time for 2020 that they didn’t just smash the establishment in 2016, they staved off being crushed, because if they don’t….

    • Replies: @Anon
    Right, bring on more BLM protests.
    , @bjdubbs
    To Yglesias, every non-white is a POC, so he doesn't understand that Hispanics don't get excited voting for blacks and vice versa. Obama was a unique candidate. If Democrats win again, it will be with a white candidate. See the experience of cities like NY and Chicago. After Washington and Dinkins, they went back to white candidates.
  25. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Please let this be true. Don’t tease me, bro!

    • Replies: @Lot
    Not a done deal yet, but he is the frontrunner.

    Donald's election has resulted in Muslims receiving extra left wing diversity Pokémon Points, so everyone is afraid not to endorse him.

    The allure of a black party chief can be irresistible, just ask Michael Steele.

  26. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Her loss was like missing a 3 foot putt. But if these were her best issues?

    These are really weak issues. The people that really need gun control, urban blacks, are stuck with the Democrats. So no marginal votes there. And do Hispanics really care about immigration reform? The ones that can vote are already citizens. Plus, there is no reason to feature it as an issue, since neutrality would have ben sufficient to differentiate her from Trump.

    Obama could have gone all out to goose the economy for 2016. Do the tax repatriation holiday? Anything to promote investment. Obama wasn’t aggressively anti business or anti growth, but he consistently moved it to the bottom of the list. Considering all the objectively sleazy electoral tactics, pumping up the economy seems almost virtuous.

    There are limits, of course. In 2008, nothing would have worked. In 1992? Bush 41 just forgot about it, basking in Iraq 1, until it was too late. Some of it was lagged from energy price bubble caused by the war.

    In 2000, the tech bubble was deflating — but why not an irresponsible Clinton tax cut? Its all obvious in hindsight, but the party in power seems to be thinking about everything but ‘its the economy, stupid’.

  27. @Arclight
    As much as I enjoy the scolding of the left for its condescending attitude toward what is still a huge swathe of the electorate, the real reason she lost - as it appears to me - is that the GOP managed to hold serve as far as typical turnout goes and the Democrats have seen an incredibly steep decline since 2008. Nearly 10 million fewer people pulled the lever for Clinton '16 versus Obama '08 and about 4.5 M fewer than Obama '12. GOP turnout was actually slightly lower this year than 2012, but basically 2008, 2012, and 2016 totals were pretty similar.

    At the end of the day, without a minority at the top of the ticket, a ton of left-leaning voters just checked out and some small but significant number of Sanders supporters refused to vote for their party's nominee.

    The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020. It wouldn't take much to wrest back a half million critical votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and hand the presidency back to a Democrat. Absent another Bernie-type figure I am not sure the Democrats will nominate a white person to head their presidential ticket again.

    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Is this post a joke?

    Cruz is/was totally devoid of charisma, regardless of whatever positions he supported. He also comes across as a know-it-all, which does not win over blue collar whites. Have you not seen the video of him being heckled by Trump supporters in Indiana?

    He would have never even gotten close to winning Michigan or Pennsylvania. Would probably have narrowly lost Florida, too.
    , @Ron Mexico
    "Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump" stop this bullshit right now! I know many Rs, me included, who have never voted for an R candidate that we liked, but were just voting against whatever asshole the Ds put on the ticket. This was not the case with Trump. Trump embodied the big F U that was building up all those years while some R pussies like Bush, McCain, and Romney were the standard bearers.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Cruz has many attributes but they are completely outweighed by one single fact: his wife is a managing director at evil incarnate, Goldman Sachs.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    Are you kidding? The VAT tax? If the VAT was a deal-clincher with blue collar whites, then Paul Tsongas would have been the Democratic nominee in 1992. Add to that the fact that Cruz comes across as repellent to a lot of people, especially women.

    If Cruz had been the nominee, Cher and Miley Cyrus would be happy women today.

  28. @Felix.

    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    So whenever the Democrats start talking about gun control, they end up going on and on about how the real threat is all those evil redneck white males with their scary rifles.
     
    Steve....Steve. Please. I hope you are being facetious? One of those subtle jokes you like to play, perhaps? Because certainly the dream gun policy of Democrats is taking all weapons away from whites down to screwdrivers and the kitchen knife while arming urban minorities with assault rifles and rocket launchers. Not that they'd ever admit it, of course.

    I believe Steve’s implicit point in that sentence was:

    Democrats don’t actually care about blacks killing other blacks, but they do care about people-who-vote-for-Democrats killing other people-who-vote-for-Democrats.

    The “white guys with guns are the problem” talk is just how they maintain their own cognitive dissonance.

  29. I kind of admire Hillary for her honesty and willingness to adhere to her principles. She could have been like Bill and said different things to different groups. And crafted her message to minimize the contradictions.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I kind of admire Hillary for her honesty and willingness to adhere to her principles. She could have been like Bill and said different things to different groups. And crafted her message to minimize the contradictions.

    Good point. I wonder what her private positions were.
    , @Bill Jones
    Thanks for the laugh, I do like well done satire.

    Please play again soon.
  30. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    Agree.

  31. @cynthia curran
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    Is this post a joke?

    Cruz is/was totally devoid of charisma, regardless of whatever positions he supported. He also comes across as a know-it-all, which does not win over blue collar whites. Have you not seen the video of him being heckled by Trump supporters in Indiana?

    He would have never even gotten close to winning Michigan or Pennsylvania. Would probably have narrowly lost Florida, too.

    • Agree: Lot
  32. Hillary may want to stay out of the UK

    They seem to take a harsh attitude to predatory dykes.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731206/Teacher-sentenced-to-30-years-for-lesbian-romp-with-pupil-loses-appeal

    • Replies: @Lot
    Saw "lesbian romp" in the URL and was unable to avoid clicking.

    Express UK is like the NY Post if Steve Bannon and Pam Geller were running it. I like it!
    , @Smokestack Lightning
    This crime and punishment actually took place in Mississippi. Ms. Dewitt was a basketball coach at Hancock High School in Kiln, Miss. The trial took place at the county courthouse in Bay St. Louis, Miss.

    The Express article highlights the difference in sentencing between the U.S. and Britain. The British journalist is amazed that the American teacher was given a 30-year sentence for having a lesbian relation with an underage girl, while in Britain the average jail time served for murder is between 15 and 17 years.
  33. @Jehu
    One possibility on the abortion issue, that would offend just about everyone would be to allow blacks and only blacks to determine the abortion laws with respect to black women. Similarly, whites and only whites would determine the abortion laws for whites. Vaguely Ottoman in fact.

    It would recognize the reality that blacks and whites really aren't one nation, and in many respects, there does not exist a single set of laws that would accommodate both populations optimally.
    For instance, blacks are far more opposed to legal pot than whites. Why? Because blacks are affected differently by pot on average than whites, with a lot more of them acting out violently as opposed to the Shaggy white with the munchies pot user stereotype. Similar deltas exist with a lot of opiates and alcohol with other populations.

    Sure and let’s have whites determine what benefits they are prepared to fund and receive and let’s have blacks do the same.

  34. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    The turnover of the D party to blacks/violent Muslims reminds me of how Tammany Hall was turned over to blacks in the end---and thus ceased to exist.

    Love the Tammany Hall analogy .And it is my sincere hope that they double down on such schemes !!!!!!!!!!! Also if they can get Stewart , Bee , Noah ,Oliver , Maher , Colbert and the rest of them to double down on the snark and smug elitism and continue to taunt and ridicule half the country on a daily basis , that would be swell also !!!!!!!!!

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  35. “The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    – They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    – They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.”

    No Steve. They want to take the guns away so their dogs can kick down your door and stuff you in a camp for posting mean words on the internet or forgetting which of 52 genders someone was today or in any shape or form challenging their orthodoxy. Like they have every other time in history when the Left was running the show.

    Your willful blindness because you don’t want to admit these people are evil (oh gosh that would be ever so mean) is tiresome.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "No Steve. They want to take the guns away so their dogs can kick down your door and stuff you in a camp for posting mean words on the internet or forgetting which of 52 genders someone was today"

    Does that mean there are also 52 racial groups?
  36. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think Hillary had a lot of help in not convincing normal people to vote for her.

    YouTube plays a LARGE role in forming public opinion. Black kids who still cling to the “old timey negro” narrative, as well as SJW’s who regularly post their obnoxious behavior on YouTube were Trump’s greatest allies.

    Who can forget this gem? Some may have voted for Trump, just to make this affirmative action beneficiary cry:

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Gads, I had not seen that vid previously. Serves that dude right to have to deal with some AA blowback and to have to deal directly with these low-IQ, violent, pussified, drama queen minorities, nearly all of whom have no business being anywhere near a college campus, yet alone Yale. But all universities continue to ramp up their 'diversity' initiatives. It looks to me like most of these dumb little minority snowflakes are wanna-be community organizers.
  37. This became an iconic image:

    This is ignored by mainstream media:

    • Replies: @AP
    It made the national part of the local news here in the Northeast.
    , @Lugash
    CNN or MSNBC showed this clip, and explicitly stated that it was African-Americans dishing out a beating to a white man because they thought he voted Trump.

    We need to worry about 2020. While the Dems are in disarray and two thirds of them are still stuck on Hate Whitey Mode, that doesn't mean they can't correct.
    , @Hibernian
    This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it's in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There's almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I'm 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I'm 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now.
  38. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Some people comment about how close the race was, but just think… Trump got the worst media coverage ever and was outspent by gazillions. Hillary raised over a billion and threw everything at him.

    The fact that he won means that, had the race been covered fairly, he would have won much bigger.

    Imagine if someone had to start the race half field behind and just barely won.
    We have to take into account the rigging that the winner had to overcome.

    So, this is a big big win. Hillary had wind on her back whereas Trump was running against the wind.

    It is an invisible landslide.

  39. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797186000686555140
    If Donald won because of low minority turnout I really, really, really hope whites learn in time for 2020 that they didn't just smash the establishment in 2016, they staved off being crushed, because if they don't....

    Right, bring on more BLM protests.

  40. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Is it becoming like British Labour?

  41. @cynthia curran
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    “Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump” stop this bullshit right now! I know many Rs, me included, who have never voted for an R candidate that we liked, but were just voting against whatever asshole the Ds put on the ticket. This was not the case with Trump. Trump embodied the big F U that was building up all those years while some R pussies like Bush, McCain, and Romney were the standard bearers.

  42. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    “Just what the Dems need as their front man!”

    Dems going full retard. Never go full retard. We need to encourage this behavior.

  43. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today’s Democrats, at least. They’re neither that smart nor that self aware. They’re true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    That’s true. The Hollywood Left and the advertising Left betray this. They portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.

    The Left does not believe that gun violence in black neighborhoods is the fault of blacks — they believe it is the fault of the NRA and white males who insist on preserving Second Amendment rights.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    hey portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.
     
    The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.
  44. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    It’s not as irrational as it sounds. Their plan is to keep pushing white men to the margins and on some level they realize that someday they will push to far and there will be a backlash. It would be better (for them) if it was an unarmed backlash.

    • Replies: @Blosky
    At this point, I don't mind if I get my hands dirty, capiche?
  45. @Jack Hanson
    "The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do."

    No Steve. They want to take the guns away so their dogs can kick down your door and stuff you in a camp for posting mean words on the internet or forgetting which of 52 genders someone was today or in any shape or form challenging their orthodoxy. Like they have every other time in history when the Left was running the show.

    Your willful blindness because you don't want to admit these people are evil (oh gosh that would be ever so mean) is tiresome.

    “No Steve. They want to take the guns away so their dogs can kick down your door and stuff you in a camp for posting mean words on the internet or forgetting which of 52 genders someone was today”

    Does that mean there are also 52 racial groups?

  46. @whorefinder
    The turnover of the D party to blacks/violent Muslims reminds me of how Tammany Hall was turned over to blacks in the end---and thus ceased to exist.

    As much as I want to get excited about this, anger and sticking to whitey can be the best motivators. They don’t have to love the candidate, whites just have to hate him.

    Denis Prager wrote several years back that Jews will continue vote Democrat even if they say death to Israel. Why? I don’t really know. Tribal animosity gone haywire?

  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Trump ran against both parties and won.

    Democratic Party spent more money than ever, with all the help of media and institutions.

    Many in GOP went over to Hillary camp, sabotaged Trump, released damning videos(pu**ygate), or sat on the sidelines or the on the fence.

    He still won.

    So, this is a big big win considering the odds he had to overcome.

    Hopefully, nevertrumpers will come home in 2020, and cucks will grow some balls by then as the neocons won’t be manipulating them to much.

    Trumpean should become an adjective. Herculean Political Will and Feat.

  48. @cynthia curran
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    Cruz has many attributes but they are completely outweighed by one single fact: his wife is a managing director at evil incarnate, Goldman Sachs.

  49. @Steve Richter
    I kind of admire Hillary for her honesty and willingness to adhere to her principles. She could have been like Bill and said different things to different groups. And crafted her message to minimize the contradictions.

    I kind of admire Hillary for her honesty and willingness to adhere to her principles. She could have been like Bill and said different things to different groups. And crafted her message to minimize the contradictions.

    Good point. I wonder what her private positions were.

  50. Keith Ellison is a black Muslim so a lot of people here will think “diversity hire”. But he is also a Midwestern economic populist. He said that Trump could win the nomination back in the summer of 2015 and was laughed at.

    So, he’s not one of those clueless limousine liberals Hillary surrounded herself with. Underestimating him could be as stupid as underestimating a certain businessman and reality star. If he’s the head of the DNC in the next election then he will make sure that the Democratic candidate does not repeat the mistakes Hillary made.

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    this is a great clip. So stupid of Stephanopolous to dismiss what Ellison said.
  51. @Canadian Observer
    Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.

    “Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.”

    This is how you know Robert De Niro is an extremely good actor, he often plays characters that you could easily see being Donald Trump supporters even though he is a Left Winger on steroids in real life. Travis Bickle definitely fits the attitude of a Donald Trump supporter.

  52. @Jack D
    It's not as irrational as it sounds. Their plan is to keep pushing white men to the margins and on some level they realize that someday they will push to far and there will be a backlash. It would be better (for them) if it was an unarmed backlash.

    At this point, I don’t mind if I get my hands dirty, capiche?

  53. If the DNC wants to make it clear that they have no room for white people in their party, whites will begin, at various paces, leave the Democrat party. If 58% of whites gave Trump his victory, 60-62% will wipe out any minority gains in 2020.

    As I’ve said before, 2016 is the last time the Democrats will allow white people either as President or VP. Since Trump won over majority of white women, they have lost their “victim” status and are now considered as deplorable as the men. The anti-white hostility is going to get under the skin of the remaining 30 million or so white Democrats who don’t hate being white and don’t think they should be hated for being white either.

    Let the few million remaining white SWPLs be the whipping post for the New Democrat Party; Republicans need to do what they can to get those 30 million whites over on their side. If they can convert a couple million each election cycle, it will be enough to stay ahead of demographic shifts for the next couple of decades.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    There will still be a few million whites that will never stop hating Whites, including themselves.
  54. http://www.gallup.com/poll/196658/support-assault-weapons-ban-record-low.aspx

    Support for banning so called “assault weapons” is only at 36% according to gallup, with 61 percent opposed to such a plan. Twenty years ago, gallup showed 57 percent supported a gun ban, and 42% opposed.

    What a dramatic shift in two decades! The gun rights groups like the nra and goa went all in for trump, and played a big role in defeating hillary. The pro gun rights grass roots people do not compromise, attack gun banners at an emotional and intellectual level, do not back down, donate a lot of money every year to the nra and goa, and constantly email and call their elected officials.

    I would love to link gun rights types with anti immigration types in the tactics, organizational structure, etc. Plus, if enough immigration takes place then gun rights will be lost – see california – so the two are linked whether they like it or not.

    Also, starting around 1994, when dems have been open about banning firearms prior to national elections, they lose. 1994, 2000, 2004, 2014, and now 2016 are all perfect examples. Obama was smart enough not to touch the issue until after he had been safely reelected – he even signed two pro gun bills before his reelection to avoid what happened tuesday night.

  55. Your willful blindness because you don’t want to admit these people are evil (oh gosh that would be ever so mean) is tiresome.

    Tone it down, willya? Steve’s got this nice/journalistic schtick going. It’s his armor. It’s not like leftists don’t get DDT-ed in the comments.

    Denis Prager wrote several years back that Jews will continue vote Democrat even if they say death to Israel. Why? I don’t really know. Tribal animosity gone haywire?

    1. How the Hell would Denis Prager know?
    2. Jews are clever, and have a pretty long history of crypsis. Saying “death to Israel” and then handing them a couple billion on the sly, saying, “sorry about that guys” isn’t exactly out of character. As long as it doesn’t become a habit (people might take it to heart).
    3. If Jews really didn’t care, they wouldn’t complain about BDS, which is a lot more reasonable than “death to Israel.” But they do.

  56. How did the Jews take Israel, being such bleeding heart sissies?

    • Replies: @Neuday

    How did the Jews take Israel, being such bleeding heart sissies?
     
    Other people fought a war and then gave Palestine to Jews out of guilt.

    Or, "How to get your own nation with this One Cool Trick"
  57. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    “Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.”

    That sounds like good news, but one should be leary of wishing that the enemy choose “that guy” because we’re sure to beat him. In the near term, Ellison probably will hurt them. But the Clinton campaign thought that Trump was the man to beat (as did the Carter campaign about Reagan). Who knows what will be popular in 2020? Ellison in charge of the DNC may be no big deal by then. I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Replies: @Nico

    I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.
     
    I hope you don't mind my suggesting that you might not have been paying much attention. Already before his initial Senate election Obama was being floated as a potential future president. Immediately after the 204 election Newsweek consecrated a half a page to profiling each new Senator but a two-page spread to the utterly unaccomplished and uninteresting Obama. At that point I made up my mind that someone well-placed REEEEEALLY wanted him to be president. I have never let go of that conviction.
  58. Funny thing on this tangent of the Dems abandoning the working class. Thomas Frank used to blabber a lot about Republicans’ fake populism, and why the Repub base votes against its own interests. At least he is now (along with the likes of Jeffrey St Clair) starting to see that the entire Democrat leadership class along with its coterie of celebrities, as nothing but a bunch of shallow, pampered poseurs. Alas, the delicious irony of Springsteen & Bon Jovi stumping for HRC, while their ol stomping grounds (Greetings from Asbury Park!) of Monmouth & Ocean Counties in NJ go solidly for Trump.

  59. @Canadian Observer
    Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.

    I won’t ever watch another DeNiro movie again. That isn’t much of a hardship, as he hasn’t been in a good movie for a while. The last good movie I saw him in was Limitless, and he was the worst part of it. I won’t even watch his old movies anymore; no big deal – I’ve seen Goodfellas enough.

  60. @Jefferson
    A whopping 81 percent of White Evangelicals voted for Donald J. Trump.
    http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/758096?section=Politics&keywords=poll-white-evangelicals-voted&year=2016&month=11&date=09&id=758096&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=www.google.com

    God bless the White Evangelicals. They are the only White group who votes in a monolithic bloc that almost rivals with Blacks with their 88 percent support for Crooked Hillary.

    White Evangelicals are the Right Wing version of Blacks when it comes to monolithic party loyalty.

    White Evangelicals have more reason to be suspicious of the political Left than any other demographic group in America because they are hated by the political Left for both their faith/religion and their skin color.

    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.

    Depends on his SCJ picks mostly... and what they do. Dodged a bullet on that one.
    , @eah
    abortion

    He should immediately push to defund Planned Parenthood -- PP advertises itself as a 'provider of women's health services' -- but in reality, 90+% of the women who go to PP do so to get an abortion -- so people, very many of whom have very strong moral objections, are forced via coercive taxation to subsidize abortion -- which is disgusting and outrageous -- so Trump should at least make PP split into separate operating units with strictly audited financials: one that provides abortions and gets no taxpayer money, and another that provides 'women's health services' -- ultimately, there is no reason at all for the government to directly fund PP: they can operate in the healthcare market like any other provider.

  61. @cynthia curran
    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    I agree, Cruz might have done better actually since he beat Trump in Texas and Clinton would have lost 16 points rather than 9 points in Texas. Voter turnout was down in the midwest because less blacks show up. Trump was probably less popular than Cruz was with the Republican based and I think Cruz could have gotten the blue collar whites on his VAT tax which taxes imports more than exports.

    Are you kidding? The VAT tax? If the VAT was a deal-clincher with blue collar whites, then Paul Tsongas would have been the Democratic nominee in 1992. Add to that the fact that Cruz comes across as repellent to a lot of people, especially women.

    If Cruz had been the nominee, Cher and Miley Cyrus would be happy women today.

  62. At Columbia U. the campus SJWs are witch hunting a frat because they sent racially insensitive text messages to each other. The object of hate are wrestlers and it is reminiscent of what happened with the Harvard soccer players a couple weeks ago, and also Haven Monahan/Ryan Lochte/Brock Turner. I’d be surprised if this got onto the pages of the NYT, but I like keeping an eye on campuses to see where the zeitgeist is.

    http://bwog.com/2016/11/11/students-protest-in-front-of-kdr-house-in-response-to-wrestling-teams-messages/

    http://bwog.com/2016/11/10/messages-from-wrestling-team-groupme-reveal-culture-of-intolerance/

  63. Jews are the biggest Kool-Aide drinkers, it has to do with class more than anything else. Those who are lower class and removed from aping WASP pretentions, like the Ultra Orthodox, vote Republican regularly. But Orthodox don’t need to keep up appearances at the Club, or on Wall Street, etc.

    Lennonism also appeals to secular utopianists. Aka secular Jews, its a disease of the higher IQ.

    However Hillary’s strategy was not as stupid as it played out, IF she had:

    1. Organized a GOTV ground game like Obama in 2008.
    2. Pushed for more women votes by offering them goodies for defenestrating White guys.
    3. Gone full cultural warrior to pick up Bernie voters by appealing to their innate desire to destroy the Bad Whites by using Good White culture: gay indoctrination in schools, mandatory wearing of dresses for White boys (only) in school like Sweden, etc.

    She had nothing to offer but another Dowager Empress reign, economically, so she just offered a half-hearted culture war that offended Trump’s base but did not excite her own with the offer of Red Guard fanatics staging their own Cultural Revolution.

    She went half Mao not full Mao.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Going full Mao would have inspired more people to vote for Trump.
  64. Hillary’s brain trust had a weird revulsion for the “field lily” Catholics (though kept on good terms with the more scholastic/Borgia-style). These mixed folks turned out to be the sleeper cells who beatifically undermined her swing-state operation:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-vaunted-gotv-operation-may-have-turned-out-trump-voters_us_582533b1e4b060adb56ddc27

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    The "Catholic Intellectuals" that Hilary and her henchpersons can stand are shallow, phony, Cuomo style "personally opposed" types. Which includes many priests, especially Jesuits.
  65. David Plouffe in NYT today: “In Detroit, Mrs. Clinton received roughly 70,000 votes fewer than Mr. Obama did in 2012; she lost Michigan by just 12,000 votes. In Milwaukee County in Wisconsin, she received roughly 40,000 votes fewer than Mr. Obama did, and she lost the state by just 27,000. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio, turnout in majority African-American precincts was down 11 percent from four years ago.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If I were a Dem. operative, I would take this to mean that the party did not pander to blacks enough. Next time they will do better. Make Ellison the head of the party. Next time, 110% of the blacks in Milwaukee and Detroit will vote!
  66. @Maj
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.


    Please let this be true. Don't tease me, bro!

    Not a done deal yet, but he is the frontrunner.

    Donald’s election has resulted in Muslims receiving extra left wing diversity Pokémon Points, so everyone is afraid not to endorse him.

    The allure of a black party chief can be irresistible, just ask Michael Steele.

    • Replies: @AP
    Will African-American Christians go for a Muslim who turned his back on his Christian faith?
  67. @Bill Jones
    Hillary may want to stay out of the UK

    They seem to take a harsh attitude to predatory dykes.


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731206/Teacher-sentenced-to-30-years-for-lesbian-romp-with-pupil-loses-appeal

    Saw “lesbian romp” in the URL and was unable to avoid clicking.

    Express UK is like the NY Post if Steve Bannon and Pam Geller were running it. I like it!

  68. @Jefferson
    Never Trumper Evan McMullin who is a Mormon lost the majority Mormon state of Utah. That's extremely embarrassing. In a what if scenario it's the equivalent of Barack Hussein Obama losing the majority of the Black vote.

    A Mormon presidential candidate who could not even convince most Mormon voters to vote for him, let alone most mainstream American voters.

    If Evan McMullin was the best candidate they had to offer, if he was their cream of the crop, the Never Trump movement is dead on arrival. They have no future in 2020.

    Evan McMullin underperformed even by 3rd Party standards, as Jill Stein won way more votes than him.

    Kasich is already planning on running again in 2020.

  69. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    So they are determined to have Trump win the next election.

  70. @anonguy
    I relocated my U.S. residence to Oregon a couple of years ago.

    It has all the benefits of an SWPL state, basically life here is like wearing pajamas all day, it is an eloi like existence.

    But somehow, they are totally cool with gun rights and hunting. You wouldn't believe the citizenship/residency verification for a DL, make any red state proud but they aren't allowed to do it like a blue state. And the roads are great with very little traffic. Superlative sandwich makers too.

    Maybe they will secede.

    Frankly, it is much like a deer hunter state, demographically, shorn of dysfunctional rust belt cities and associated cultural heritage. If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020. Probably not worth the effort due to few EV, but it is definitely doable by a home grown brigade once Trump demonstrates that virtuous people can like him too.

    It used to be firearm-friendly, but Oregon is becoming gun-hostile in a typically Democratic party way. Portland/Eugene runs the state, and Portland has been overrun by hipster imports with utterly conventional left-wing politics. That includes gun control. They’re OK on concealed carry, for now, but the governor wants to ban standard magazines and a bunch of other nonsense.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    Portland/Eugene runs the state
     
    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I've been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we've seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I'll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn't Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren't all California liberals over there, I'd say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie - corrupt rigged system in the end that isn't delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I'd tell them that I'd certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I'd vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They'd invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don't think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    , @Hibernian
    I think so far Vermont remains pro 2A mainly because it's written into their state constitution.
  71. @Anon
    This became an iconic image:

    https://jeffwinbush.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/welcome-to-america.jpg

    This is ignored by mainstream media:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djx3T9IEc1A

    It made the national part of the local news here in the Northeast.

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  73. @Lot
    Not a done deal yet, but he is the frontrunner.

    Donald's election has resulted in Muslims receiving extra left wing diversity Pokémon Points, so everyone is afraid not to endorse him.

    The allure of a black party chief can be irresistible, just ask Michael Steele.

    Will African-American Christians go for a Muslim who turned his back on his Christian faith?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    A fair number will.
  74. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    The Democratic party’s opposition to guns has a strong cultural warfare component, similar to the gay wedding cake controversy or making nuns pay for birth control. White heterosexual males like guns and don’t like Democrats, so progressives have made it their mission to stick it to the NRA.

  75. Was the douther just trying to be funny?

    I don’t get humor.

  76. @Bill Jones
    Hillary may want to stay out of the UK

    They seem to take a harsh attitude to predatory dykes.


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731206/Teacher-sentenced-to-30-years-for-lesbian-romp-with-pupil-loses-appeal

    This crime and punishment actually took place in Mississippi. Ms. Dewitt was a basketball coach at Hancock High School in Kiln, Miss. The trial took place at the county courthouse in Bay St. Louis, Miss.

    The Express article highlights the difference in sentencing between the U.S. and Britain. The British journalist is amazed that the American teacher was given a 30-year sentence for having a lesbian relation with an underage girl, while in Britain the average jail time served for murder is between 15 and 17 years.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    ya got me.

    I have to admit I don't read The Express.
  77. @Anon
    This became an iconic image:

    https://jeffwinbush.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/welcome-to-america.jpg

    This is ignored by mainstream media:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djx3T9IEc1A

    CNN or MSNBC showed this clip, and explicitly stated that it was African-Americans dishing out a beating to a white man because they thought he voted Trump.

    We need to worry about 2020. While the Dems are in disarray and two thirds of them are still stuck on Hate Whitey Mode, that doesn’t mean they can’t correct.

  78. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/797186000686555140
    If Donald won because of low minority turnout I really, really, really hope whites learn in time for 2020 that they didn't just smash the establishment in 2016, they staved off being crushed, because if they don't....

    To Yglesias, every non-white is a POC, so he doesn’t understand that Hispanics don’t get excited voting for blacks and vice versa. Obama was a unique candidate. If Democrats win again, it will be with a white candidate. See the experience of cities like NY and Chicago. After Washington and Dinkins, they went back to white candidates.

  79. @Boomstick
    It used to be firearm-friendly, but Oregon is becoming gun-hostile in a typically Democratic party way. Portland/Eugene runs the state, and Portland has been overrun by hipster imports with utterly conventional left-wing politics. That includes gun control. They're OK on concealed carry, for now, but the governor wants to ban standard magazines and a bunch of other nonsense.

    Portland/Eugene runs the state

    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I’ve been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we’ve seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I’ll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn’t Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren’t all California liberals over there, I’d say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie – corrupt rigged system in the end that isn’t delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I’d tell them that I’d certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I’d vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They’d invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don’t think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It's probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don't like Florida-type summers.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Lovely post, thanks.

    Whites are pouring into Oregon -- we're the most moved-to state for something like six years now. They're moving here to live around other White people in beautiful and diverse environs with an exciting big city. But they can't admit that to themselves or say it out loud because that would make them racist, so they mouth pro-Diversity platitudes and vote Democrat to assuage cognitive dissonance and prove they're not racist.

    I can't imagine Whites in Eugene or the Portland metro area ever admitting they chose Oregon because they heart White people.
    , @Boomstick
    Bend has a lot of home equity refugees. They cashed out their home in California for an absurd price and bought something cheaper in Bend, which is quite nice. There's also a good population of successful older people from the West side who bought a second or retirement home. The younger people are mostly outdoorsy types who are willing to live in poverty if there's a view, and there is.

    Lots of people in Oregon have an RV to take advantage of the outstanding state park system.

    The downstate and East side outside of Bend still has a lot of native Oregonians, who are a good lot and astonishingly polite and friendly. But they're also a small population compared to Portland, so swinging that 10% is a tall order. The Southern Oregon timber counties got nuked by the spotted owl 20 years ago and their economies still haven't recovered. (I think the Josephine County sheriff's office only has 8 hours of coverage a day.) There's also a significant illegal immigrant population in some Willamette Valley farming areas.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    LOL at the idea that Oregon hates government corruption and non-fair deals. The history of the state's government suggests the exact opposite.

    But there is a gulf between people of the blood there and everyone else. If you have kin there, it's completely different than if you don't, even if you never see said kin.
  80. @whorefinder
    The turnover of the D party to blacks/violent Muslims reminds me of how Tammany Hall was turned over to blacks in the end---and thus ceased to exist.

    The Tammany Hall analogy is very apt. Black voters are the kingmakers of the Dem nomination process. They choose the nominee. Any black candidate in the Dem primary has a huge, built-in advantage. Problem is, the eminently electable Obama was a one off. I don’t see anyone remotely comparable in the Dem ranks. Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable. Their only strong candidate isMichelle, but she hates politics and won’t run. And if the nominee is not black, as in this year, black voters won’t turn out in the general. I can’t see them turning out for someone like Elizabeth Warren any more than they did for Hillary. So it’s either an unelectable black nominee or reduced black turnout for the Dems. It was the lower black turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee that killed Hillary’s.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable."

    We know the political Right would never vote for a Muslim president, but what about on the political Left. Do you believe a significant number of Black church ladies would sit out a presidential election if The Democratic Party put a Muslim at the top of the ticket?
    , @Bill Jones
    Wrong.

    This guy was lined up as Barry's replacement if things were going wrong.

    https://www.nga.org/cms/home/governors/past-governors-bios/page_massachusetts/col2-content/main-content-list/deval-patrick.default.html

    , @Jack D
    DNC head is not a path to the nomination. They know that they can't put Ellison on the ticket. Ellison's job is to make sure that next time the voters of Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. turn out like they did for Obama. Having a black on the ticket is a good way but perhaps not the only way (although I can't think of a better, easier method). There are guys like Cory Booker who could play the role of Obama II. Or maybe Kamala Harris - she carries double diversity Pokemon points. At this stage in 2004, Obama was equally unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

    The fact that she is a blank slate is an advantage - the Hillary adverstising was ineffective largely because Hillary was such an known quantity. Harris has a white husband however. This would be a negative for her among black women.

    As people here have figured out, the key for a D is to have a candidate who is attractive to blacks without alienating whites. You want to increase black turnout without chasing an even greater # of whites into the R column. The easiest way is to find an acceptable talented tenth (not too) black person - an Obama type. Blacks will vote for him (or her) just by virtue of the fact that he is (partly) black. (Obama did little for blacks during his term other than filling his cabinet with his fellow paper bag test winners). Whites will vote for a non-threatening black like Obama. He can even have a Muslim or other exotic name. After the 5th or 6th consecutive black President, whites might get sick of it, but next cycle is a perfect time because 2 whites were on the ticket this time. To lessen the boredom and increase the appeal, you can hybridize the candidate with the various elements of the Fringe Coalition - half black, half S. Asian woman (Harris), then a gay black man, then a Latino-black trannie, etc. You make the VP white - some senior elder statesman like Biden.

    Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren't that wild about BLM and even if they were, Hillary is still an old white lady) but meanwhile alienated whites further - the exact opposite of what you want.
  81. Maybe the RNC should start super-paking the green party candidate every year, imagine Jill stein pulling 4% every year, like that dingbat drugged out fellow Garry johnson. Maybe they should subvertly spread paint thinner on the Krazy glue. How about getting a high profile Hispanic candidate on the ballot in every state? How about Kanye West on the ballot in every state? Add to that a homosexual male lesbian female to male asexual hemaphroditic heterosexual white female on the ballot in every state? They hitched their wagon to identity politics. We’re sitting pretty as the dominant minority group, let’s use their indoctrinated identity politics to divide and conquer them.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  82. They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    I think you are giving the Left way too much credit here by assuming that their policies are informed by a desire to improve anyone’s lives. I think you’ve got it wrong — it looks to me like their main motivations are moral posturing, cultural warfare, and enhancing and maintaining their wealth and power.

  83. @anonguy

    Portland/Eugene runs the state
     
    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I've been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we've seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I'll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn't Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren't all California liberals over there, I'd say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie - corrupt rigged system in the end that isn't delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I'd tell them that I'd certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I'd vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They'd invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don't think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It’s probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don’t like Florida-type summers.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    One pattern I think I've identified is migrants to the state that land first in the Willamette Valley (Portland/Salem/Eugene) sometimes eventually migrate over to Bend or other places over the Cascades.

    I don't really see it going the other way - new migrants to Oregon that land east of the Cascades don't migrate to Willamette Valley. If you meet someone living in the Willamette Valley that is from that area, they usually were raised there and migrated when they became adults. The reflexive thing for fledgling adults is to make a beeline for the nearby established metro areas, something that is hardly unique to Oregon.

    I think that says something about the east of Cascades area.

    I've also noticed that while nearly all of the young people in Willamette Valley go along with the prevailing ethos, there is lots about it that bothers them although it is hard for them to articulate or express. However, I can, and it is the neo-puritanism of PC that is preventing them from having all the fun young people are supposed to have and they know it, know they are getting cheated.

    You can lead people into it. One of the easiest ways to identify this is find a really hot girl. Beauty is not exalted here, lookism, all that. So the girls who like to indulge that urge feel acute social pressure to keep things toned down and they do not like it.

    Talk to one of them sometime in Portland or Eugene and ask them about the implicit dress code in their town if you want an earful. Giving them the opportunity to give form to their inchoate resentments is good for them, helps them focus and understand.

    , @anon

    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It’s probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don’t like Florida-type summers.
     
    I'd describe Big Bear Lake as having that kind of weather, but not Bend.
    The winters can get pretty rough, there. They lose people to freezing to death every year. It's not so much the mean temperature. It's combined with the winds that take you out. At worst, it can get pretty darned shitty. The winds of Bend, unlike Chicago, are extremely dry. At night, with a 20 mph wind at 30 degrees and no humidity, you feel like you're walking on another planet–a planet that doesn't give a shit about you. It's stark.

    I might add the fine dust, from it's volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff.

    Bend is scenic, but ain't for sissies.

    To be plain, it's for white people hell bent on living in a community where urban blacks and hipsters won't follow them, based on location and weather.

    , @CJ
    I worked in the Bend area over part of a winter. Bend is at altitude and has long, LONG, cold, COLD winters that scare off all but the hardiest. I swore I'd never let it happen again -- and I'm from Canada.

    Central Oregon is a great place. The best time to enjoy it is May and June.
  84. @European in America
    The Tammany Hall analogy is very apt. Black voters are the kingmakers of the Dem nomination process. They choose the nominee. Any black candidate in the Dem primary has a huge, built-in advantage. Problem is, the eminently electable Obama was a one off. I don't see anyone remotely comparable in the Dem ranks. Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable. Their only strong candidate isMichelle, but she hates politics and won't run. And if the nominee is not black, as in this year, black voters won't turn out in the general. I can't see them turning out for someone like Elizabeth Warren any more than they did for Hillary. So it's either an unelectable black nominee or reduced black turnout for the Dems. It was the lower black turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee that killed Hillary's.

    “Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable.”

    We know the political Right would never vote for a Muslim president, but what about on the political Left. Do you believe a significant number of Black church ladies would sit out a presidential election if The Democratic Party put a Muslim at the top of the ticket?

    • Replies: @European in America
    I can't see Americans of any race turning out in large numbers for a Muslim candidate. It's not that they would vote against him, but most people would stay home.
  85. @Jefferson
    "Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable."

    We know the political Right would never vote for a Muslim president, but what about on the political Left. Do you believe a significant number of Black church ladies would sit out a presidential election if The Democratic Party put a Muslim at the top of the ticket?

    I can’t see Americans of any race turning out in large numbers for a Muslim candidate. It’s not that they would vote against him, but most people would stay home.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Are the Democrats really going to make a Muslim the head of the DNC when Howard Dean, who was extremely successful as DNC head from early 2005 to early 2009, seems to want the job again?

    Is this some kind of Bernie vs. Howard, Vermont's not big enough for the both of them thing?

  86. @European in America
    I can't see Americans of any race turning out in large numbers for a Muslim candidate. It's not that they would vote against him, but most people would stay home.

    Are the Democrats really going to make a Muslim the head of the DNC when Howard Dean, who was extremely successful as DNC head from early 2005 to early 2009, seems to want the job again?

    Is this some kind of Bernie vs. Howard, Vermont’s not big enough for the both of them thing?

    • Replies: @Ed
    I think in terms of internal Democrat politics Ellison isn't a bad pick. It signals the end of the orientation to Southern blacks with its focus on civil rights.

    Ellison has his baggage but at least we won't be hearing too much about nonsensical issues that only the black political establishment cares about it.
  87. @Steve Sailer
    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It's probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don't like Florida-type summers.

    One pattern I think I’ve identified is migrants to the state that land first in the Willamette Valley (Portland/Salem/Eugene) sometimes eventually migrate over to Bend or other places over the Cascades.

    I don’t really see it going the other way – new migrants to Oregon that land east of the Cascades don’t migrate to Willamette Valley. If you meet someone living in the Willamette Valley that is from that area, they usually were raised there and migrated when they became adults. The reflexive thing for fledgling adults is to make a beeline for the nearby established metro areas, something that is hardly unique to Oregon.

    I think that says something about the east of Cascades area.

    I’ve also noticed that while nearly all of the young people in Willamette Valley go along with the prevailing ethos, there is lots about it that bothers them although it is hard for them to articulate or express. However, I can, and it is the neo-puritanism of PC that is preventing them from having all the fun young people are supposed to have and they know it, know they are getting cheated.

    You can lead people into it. One of the easiest ways to identify this is find a really hot girl. Beauty is not exalted here, lookism, all that. So the girls who like to indulge that urge feel acute social pressure to keep things toned down and they do not like it.

    Talk to one of them sometime in Portland or Eugene and ask them about the implicit dress code in their town if you want an earful. Giving them the opportunity to give form to their inchoate resentments is good for them, helps them focus and understand.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    You can lead people into it. One of the easiest ways to identify this is find a really hot girl. Beauty is not exalted here, lookism, all that. So the girls who like to indulge that urge feel acute social pressure to keep things toned down and they do not like it.

    This is the sort of research I could really get behind.
  88. @game123
    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.

    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.

    Depends on his SCJ picks mostly… and what they do. Dodged a bullet on that one.

  89. @Steve Richter
    I kind of admire Hillary for her honesty and willingness to adhere to her principles. She could have been like Bill and said different things to different groups. And crafted her message to minimize the contradictions.

    Thanks for the laugh, I do like well done satire.

    Please play again soon.

  90. @Arclight
    As much as I enjoy the scolding of the left for its condescending attitude toward what is still a huge swathe of the electorate, the real reason she lost - as it appears to me - is that the GOP managed to hold serve as far as typical turnout goes and the Democrats have seen an incredibly steep decline since 2008. Nearly 10 million fewer people pulled the lever for Clinton '16 versus Obama '08 and about 4.5 M fewer than Obama '12. GOP turnout was actually slightly lower this year than 2012, but basically 2008, 2012, and 2016 totals were pretty similar.

    At the end of the day, without a minority at the top of the ticket, a ton of left-leaning voters just checked out and some small but significant number of Sanders supporters refused to vote for their party's nominee.

    The GOP was very, very fortunate the the Dems nominated such an uninspiring figure this cycle, they may not be so fortunate in 2020. It wouldn't take much to wrest back a half million critical votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania and hand the presidency back to a Democrat. Absent another Bernie-type figure I am not sure the Democrats will nominate a white person to head their presidential ticket again.

    Votes are still being counted, Californa says it has about 4 million to go.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    California's endless vote counting is a disgrace.
  91. @European in America
    The Tammany Hall analogy is very apt. Black voters are the kingmakers of the Dem nomination process. They choose the nominee. Any black candidate in the Dem primary has a huge, built-in advantage. Problem is, the eminently electable Obama was a one off. I don't see anyone remotely comparable in the Dem ranks. Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable. Their only strong candidate isMichelle, but she hates politics and won't run. And if the nominee is not black, as in this year, black voters won't turn out in the general. I can't see them turning out for someone like Elizabeth Warren any more than they did for Hillary. So it's either an unelectable black nominee or reduced black turnout for the Dems. It was the lower black turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee that killed Hillary's.
    • Replies: @European in America
    I had forgotten about him. But then why didn't he run?
  92. @Steve Sailer
    Are the Democrats really going to make a Muslim the head of the DNC when Howard Dean, who was extremely successful as DNC head from early 2005 to early 2009, seems to want the job again?

    Is this some kind of Bernie vs. Howard, Vermont's not big enough for the both of them thing?

    I think in terms of internal Democrat politics Ellison isn’t a bad pick. It signals the end of the orientation to Southern blacks with its focus on civil rights.

    Ellison has his baggage but at least we won’t be hearing too much about nonsensical issues that only the black political establishment cares about it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think in terms of internal Democrat politics Ellison isn’t a bad pick. It signals the end of the orientation to Southern blacks with its focus on civil rights.

    Ellison has his baggage but at least we won’t be hearing too much about nonsensical issues that only the black political establishment cares about it."

    Keith Ellison is Black, so why would he not care about nonsensical issues that the Black establishment cares about?

    Did his lighter than average skin for a Negro make you think he was Nonblack? Did you think he was an Arab because he's Muslim?
  93. @anonguy
    One pattern I think I've identified is migrants to the state that land first in the Willamette Valley (Portland/Salem/Eugene) sometimes eventually migrate over to Bend or other places over the Cascades.

    I don't really see it going the other way - new migrants to Oregon that land east of the Cascades don't migrate to Willamette Valley. If you meet someone living in the Willamette Valley that is from that area, they usually were raised there and migrated when they became adults. The reflexive thing for fledgling adults is to make a beeline for the nearby established metro areas, something that is hardly unique to Oregon.

    I think that says something about the east of Cascades area.

    I've also noticed that while nearly all of the young people in Willamette Valley go along with the prevailing ethos, there is lots about it that bothers them although it is hard for them to articulate or express. However, I can, and it is the neo-puritanism of PC that is preventing them from having all the fun young people are supposed to have and they know it, know they are getting cheated.

    You can lead people into it. One of the easiest ways to identify this is find a really hot girl. Beauty is not exalted here, lookism, all that. So the girls who like to indulge that urge feel acute social pressure to keep things toned down and they do not like it.

    Talk to one of them sometime in Portland or Eugene and ask them about the implicit dress code in their town if you want an earful. Giving them the opportunity to give form to their inchoate resentments is good for them, helps them focus and understand.

    You can lead people into it. One of the easiest ways to identify this is find a really hot girl. Beauty is not exalted here, lookism, all that. So the girls who like to indulge that urge feel acute social pressure to keep things toned down and they do not like it.

    This is the sort of research I could really get behind.

  94. @Smokestack Lightning
    This crime and punishment actually took place in Mississippi. Ms. Dewitt was a basketball coach at Hancock High School in Kiln, Miss. The trial took place at the county courthouse in Bay St. Louis, Miss.

    The Express article highlights the difference in sentencing between the U.S. and Britain. The British journalist is amazed that the American teacher was given a 30-year sentence for having a lesbian relation with an underage girl, while in Britain the average jail time served for murder is between 15 and 17 years.

    ya got me.

    I have to admit I don’t read The Express.

  95. @Ed
    Votes are still being counted, Californa says it has about 4 million to go.

    California’s endless vote counting is a disgrace.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    In a post-election exchange of emails with a correspondent from Thousand Oaks, he said Trump won the popular vote. Hillary's total is inflated by illegal aliens and voter fraud in general.
  96. @Jefferson
    Never Trumper Evan McMullin who is a Mormon lost the majority Mormon state of Utah. That's extremely embarrassing. In a what if scenario it's the equivalent of Barack Hussein Obama losing the majority of the Black vote.

    A Mormon presidential candidate who could not even convince most Mormon voters to vote for him, let alone most mainstream American voters.

    If Evan McMullin was the best candidate they had to offer, if he was their cream of the crop, the Never Trump movement is dead on arrival. They have no future in 2020.

    Evan McMullin underperformed even by 3rd Party standards, as Jill Stein won way more votes than him.

    He was a strange choice.

    The people backing him should have known (or maybe they didn’t vet this) that his having two mommies would spoil his appeal to fellow-Mormons otherwise predisposed to vote for him.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    McMullin was a last ditch, desperation fill in candidate by people who couldn't conceive of Trump being the nominee even after he started winning primaries. When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed. This overperfomance was probably due to the fact that many of his supporters knew almost nothing about him other than that some Neocon media lackey they like supported McMullin.



    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441836/restart-gop-new-group-starts-post-election-gop-conflict
  97. @anon
    I think Hillary had a lot of help in not convincing normal people to vote for her.

    YouTube plays a LARGE role in forming public opinion. Black kids who still cling to the "old timey negro" narrative, as well as SJW's who regularly post their obnoxious behavior on YouTube were Trump's greatest allies.

    Who can forget this gem? Some may have voted for Trump, just to make this affirmative action beneficiary cry:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js

    Gads, I had not seen that vid previously. Serves that dude right to have to deal with some AA blowback and to have to deal directly with these low-IQ, violent, pussified, drama queen minorities, nearly all of whom have no business being anywhere near a college campus, yet alone Yale. But all universities continue to ramp up their ‘diversity’ initiatives. It looks to me like most of these dumb little minority snowflakes are wanna-be community organizers.

  98. @Bill Jones
    Wrong.

    This guy was lined up as Barry's replacement if things were going wrong.

    https://www.nga.org/cms/home/governors/past-governors-bios/page_massachusetts/col2-content/main-content-list/deval-patrick.default.html

    I had forgotten about him. But then why didn’t he run?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    He was the replacement black for Barry, in case, say, Barry turned out to be gay.
    It was the women's turn this time.
    Next time will be woman time too.
  99. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It's probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don't like Florida-type summers.

    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It’s probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don’t like Florida-type summers.

    I’d describe Big Bear Lake as having that kind of weather, but not Bend.
    The winters can get pretty rough, there. They lose people to freezing to death every year. It’s not so much the mean temperature. It’s combined with the winds that take you out. At worst, it can get pretty darned shitty. The winds of Bend, unlike Chicago, are extremely dry. At night, with a 20 mph wind at 30 degrees and no humidity, you feel like you’re walking on another planet–a planet that doesn’t give a shit about you. It’s stark.

    I might add the fine dust, from it’s volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff.

    Bend is scenic, but ain’t for sissies.

    To be plain, it’s for white people hell bent on living in a community where urban blacks and hipsters won’t follow them, based on location and weather.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Most informative.

    Here's a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven't spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year's weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 - Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    , @2Mintzin1
    "I might add the fine dust, from it's volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff."

    Heh. When I lived in Texas, a windy and dusty place, that phenomenon was known as a "Mexican Re-Bore."
  100. @game123
    I really doubt trump will do anything about abortion.

    abortion

    He should immediately push to defund Planned Parenthood — PP advertises itself as a ‘provider of women’s health services’ — but in reality, 90+% of the women who go to PP do so to get an abortion — so people, very many of whom have very strong moral objections, are forced via coercive taxation to subsidize abortion — which is disgusting and outrageous — so Trump should at least make PP split into separate operating units with strictly audited financials: one that provides abortions and gets no taxpayer money, and another that provides ‘women’s health services’ — ultimately, there is no reason at all for the government to directly fund PP: they can operate in the healthcare market like any other provider.

  101. @anon

    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It’s probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don’t like Florida-type summers.
     
    I'd describe Big Bear Lake as having that kind of weather, but not Bend.
    The winters can get pretty rough, there. They lose people to freezing to death every year. It's not so much the mean temperature. It's combined with the winds that take you out. At worst, it can get pretty darned shitty. The winds of Bend, unlike Chicago, are extremely dry. At night, with a 20 mph wind at 30 degrees and no humidity, you feel like you're walking on another planet–a planet that doesn't give a shit about you. It's stark.

    I might add the fine dust, from it's volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff.

    Bend is scenic, but ain't for sissies.

    To be plain, it's for white people hell bent on living in a community where urban blacks and hipsters won't follow them, based on location and weather.

    Thanks. Most informative.

    Here’s a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven’t spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year’s weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 – Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    • Replies: @anon

    Here’s a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven’t spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year’s weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 – Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.
     
    I would suppose that the cold, dry winter winds would accelerate one's natural dehydration via simply breathing, which probably also gives me that "stark" feeling, as described.

    Let's say it's 30 degrees with a 30 mph wind. With humidity, I feel like I can hunker down, and get through it. In the dry winds, I feel the life force getting sucked out of me with the assuredness of a pendulum clock. Again, I suspect accelerated dehydration likely plays a part, which doesn't seem immediately obvious when you're freezing your ass off. You just notice you're slowly dying.

    Anyway, again, they peel hikers off the mountain, dead or somewhat alive, in Bend with a fair degree of regularity.

    The victims think they can handle an overnighter in the winter woods, but... no.

    Even in wet, relatively warm weather, people disappear in Bend:

    http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/4652361-151/searchers-looking-for-missing-hiker-on-south-sister

    Oregon's interior is a vibrant playground for social darwinism, When a hipster tells me of his plan to move to Oregon, I always say, "You should! it's great!":

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/06/lost_in_oregon_hiker_who_vanis.html

    , @AP
    High humidity makes the cold feel worse - it chills one to the bone. It's why St. Petersburg (high humidity, on the water) winters feel worse than Moscow winters (lower humidity) despite being warmer.

    Compare a freezing, rainy 38 degree November day to a crisp, dry day with the same temperature.
    , @Jack D
    No, actually dry conditions improve the effectiveness of the insulation of your clothing, so you feel warmer. So given a certain temperature and wind speed, low humidity is better.

    But in a desert, as soon as the sun sets all the heat radiates back into space so it gets really cold at night. If Bend was more humid/cloudy then the night time temperatures would be higher. Clouds act like a blanket that trap heat near the surface.

  102. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Many votes yet to be counted. How many cycles do we have to relearn this fact? The vote totals don’t firm up until weeks after the election.

    Shut up already about lower turnout! Both candidates will end up very close or exceed 2008/2012 when all is said and done.

    Plus final tally will be missing the vast majority of absentee ballots nationwide! Isn’t that cute! Trump would win them at a 66% rate average.

  103. @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    Ellison is also anti Israel

    Naturally, the first and by far most important criteria for a Ziocon. What was his crime? Only supporting half a gazillion yearly increase in US welfare payments to Israel instead of the full one?

  104. @Lot
    David Plouffe in NYT today: “In Detroit, Mrs. Clinton received roughly 70,000 votes fewer than Mr. Obama did in 2012; she lost Michigan by just 12,000 votes. In Milwaukee County in Wisconsin, she received roughly 40,000 votes fewer than Mr. Obama did, and she lost the state by just 27,000. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio, turnout in majority African-American precincts was down 11 percent from four years ago.”

    If I were a Dem. operative, I would take this to mean that the party did not pander to blacks enough. Next time they will do better. Make Ellison the head of the party. Next time, 110% of the blacks in Milwaukee and Detroit will vote!

  105. So much irony when talking about guns and the Left. Guns are a great equalizer and the left loves equality.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2015/08/why-left-hates-guns_2.html

  106. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Most informative.

    Here's a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven't spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year's weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 - Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    Here’s a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven’t spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year’s weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 – Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    I would suppose that the cold, dry winter winds would accelerate one’s natural dehydration via simply breathing, which probably also gives me that “stark” feeling, as described.

    Let’s say it’s 30 degrees with a 30 mph wind. With humidity, I feel like I can hunker down, and get through it. In the dry winds, I feel the life force getting sucked out of me with the assuredness of a pendulum clock. Again, I suspect accelerated dehydration likely plays a part, which doesn’t seem immediately obvious when you’re freezing your ass off. You just notice you’re slowly dying.

    Anyway, again, they peel hikers off the mountain, dead or somewhat alive, in Bend with a fair degree of regularity.

    The victims think they can handle an overnighter in the winter woods, but… no.

    Even in wet, relatively warm weather, people disappear in Bend:

    http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/4652361-151/searchers-looking-for-missing-hiker-on-south-sister

    Oregon’s interior is a vibrant playground for social darwinism, When a hipster tells me of his plan to move to Oregon, I always say, “You should! it’s great!”:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/06/lost_in_oregon_hiker_who_vanis.html

  107. @European in America
    The Tammany Hall analogy is very apt. Black voters are the kingmakers of the Dem nomination process. They choose the nominee. Any black candidate in the Dem primary has a huge, built-in advantage. Problem is, the eminently electable Obama was a one off. I don't see anyone remotely comparable in the Dem ranks. Keith Ellison is a Muslim and unelectable. Their only strong candidate isMichelle, but she hates politics and won't run. And if the nominee is not black, as in this year, black voters won't turn out in the general. I can't see them turning out for someone like Elizabeth Warren any more than they did for Hillary. So it's either an unelectable black nominee or reduced black turnout for the Dems. It was the lower black turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee that killed Hillary's.

    DNC head is not a path to the nomination. They know that they can’t put Ellison on the ticket. Ellison’s job is to make sure that next time the voters of Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. turn out like they did for Obama. Having a black on the ticket is a good way but perhaps not the only way (although I can’t think of a better, easier method). There are guys like Cory Booker who could play the role of Obama II. Or maybe Kamala Harris – she carries double diversity Pokemon points. At this stage in 2004, Obama was equally unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

    The fact that she is a blank slate is an advantage – the Hillary adverstising was ineffective largely because Hillary was such an known quantity. Harris has a white husband however. This would be a negative for her among black women.

    As people here have figured out, the key for a D is to have a candidate who is attractive to blacks without alienating whites. You want to increase black turnout without chasing an even greater # of whites into the R column. The easiest way is to find an acceptable talented tenth (not too) black person – an Obama type. Blacks will vote for him (or her) just by virtue of the fact that he is (partly) black. (Obama did little for blacks during his term other than filling his cabinet with his fellow paper bag test winners). Whites will vote for a non-threatening black like Obama. He can even have a Muslim or other exotic name. After the 5th or 6th consecutive black President, whites might get sick of it, but next cycle is a perfect time because 2 whites were on the ticket this time. To lessen the boredom and increase the appeal, you can hybridize the candidate with the various elements of the Fringe Coalition – half black, half S. Asian woman (Harris), then a gay black man, then a Latino-black trannie, etc. You make the VP white – some senior elder statesman like Biden.

    Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren’t that wild about BLM and even if they were, Hillary is still an old white lady) but meanwhile alienated whites further – the exact opposite of what you want.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Corey has a thing for men or white women, either way that's a non-starter for black women. It won't help him any with Midwest whites either.

    If he has serious presidential aspirations he needs to find a black wife soon that can pop out a kid soon. This is what Kasim Reed did when his name was mentioned as the next GA governor & eventual POTUS.
    , @European in America
    Kamala Harris is a very strong candidate indeed. Her diversity pokemon points are through the roof. And she doesn't alienate whites. She'd be a slam dunk for 2024. Patrick would also appeal to whites. Booker is a good choice too, except for his fishy private life. So they have at least three viable black or part black (i.e. black) candidates going forward.

    I think they will run someone weak in 2020 because it will be an incumbent election. But I would put money on Kamala 2024.
    , @Jefferson
    "Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren’t that wild about BLM"

    Are they not wild about Black Lies Matter because they believe that organization is not Left Wing enough? If they tilt any further Left they are going to fall off a cliff.
  108. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Most informative.

    Here's a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven't spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year's weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 - Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    High humidity makes the cold feel worse – it chills one to the bone. It’s why St. Petersburg (high humidity, on the water) winters feel worse than Moscow winters (lower humidity) despite being warmer.

    Compare a freezing, rainy 38 degree November day to a crisp, dry day with the same temperature.

  109. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Most informative.

    Here's a question: Low humidity makes high temperatures more bearable, but does low humidity make the cold feel worse? I really haven't spent much time in cold deserts. I spent New Year's weekend in 1966 (UCLA 14 - Michigan St. 12 in the Rose Bowl) in Joshua Tree, but that may be the last time I was below freezing in a desert.

    No, actually dry conditions improve the effectiveness of the insulation of your clothing, so you feel warmer. So given a certain temperature and wind speed, low humidity is better.

    But in a desert, as soon as the sun sets all the heat radiates back into space so it gets really cold at night. If Bend was more humid/cloudy then the night time temperatures would be higher. Clouds act like a blanket that trap heat near the surface.

  110. @Anon
    This became an iconic image:

    https://jeffwinbush.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/welcome-to-america.jpg

    This is ignored by mainstream media:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djx3T9IEc1A

    This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it’s in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There’s almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I’m 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I’m 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it’s in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There’s almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I’m 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I’m 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now."

    So Chicago is such a high crime city that even in White neighborhoods we Whites are not safe from Negro crime?

    Can mass public transportation be blamed for the Black thug underclass's extremely easy access to White neighborhoods in Chicago?

    Chicago is not a car dependent city like Orlando and Dallas for example correct? It's more like San Francisco and New York City?
  111. @marc w
    Keith Ellison is a black Muslim so a lot of people here will think "diversity hire". But he is also a Midwestern economic populist. He said that Trump could win the nomination back in the summer of 2015 and was laughed at.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o

    So, he's not one of those clueless limousine liberals Hillary surrounded herself with. Underestimating him could be as stupid as underestimating a certain businessman and reality star. If he's the head of the DNC in the next election then he will make sure that the Democratic candidate does not repeat the mistakes Hillary made.

    this is a great clip. So stupid of Stephanopolous to dismiss what Ellison said.

  112. @Whiskey
    Jews are the biggest Kool-Aide drinkers, it has to do with class more than anything else. Those who are lower class and removed from aping WASP pretentions, like the Ultra Orthodox, vote Republican regularly. But Orthodox don't need to keep up appearances at the Club, or on Wall Street, etc.

    Lennonism also appeals to secular utopianists. Aka secular Jews, its a disease of the higher IQ.

    However Hillary's strategy was not as stupid as it played out, IF she had:

    1. Organized a GOTV ground game like Obama in 2008.
    2. Pushed for more women votes by offering them goodies for defenestrating White guys.
    3. Gone full cultural warrior to pick up Bernie voters by appealing to their innate desire to destroy the Bad Whites by using Good White culture: gay indoctrination in schools, mandatory wearing of dresses for White boys (only) in school like Sweden, etc.

    She had nothing to offer but another Dowager Empress reign, economically, so she just offered a half-hearted culture war that offended Trump's base but did not excite her own with the offer of Red Guard fanatics staging their own Cultural Revolution.

    She went half Mao not full Mao.

    Going full Mao would have inspired more people to vote for Trump.

  113. @Mayor McCheese
    Hillary's brain trust had a weird revulsion for the "field lily" Catholics (though kept on good terms with the more scholastic/Borgia-style). These mixed folks turned out to be the sleeper cells who beatifically undermined her swing-state operation:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-vaunted-gotv-operation-may-have-turned-out-trump-voters_us_582533b1e4b060adb56ddc27

    The “Catholic Intellectuals” that Hilary and her henchpersons can stand are shallow, phony, Cuomo style “personally opposed” types. Which includes many priests, especially Jesuits.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  114. @anonguy
    I relocated my U.S. residence to Oregon a couple of years ago.

    It has all the benefits of an SWPL state, basically life here is like wearing pajamas all day, it is an eloi like existence.

    But somehow, they are totally cool with gun rights and hunting. You wouldn't believe the citizenship/residency verification for a DL, make any red state proud but they aren't allowed to do it like a blue state. And the roads are great with very little traffic. Superlative sandwich makers too.

    Maybe they will secede.

    Frankly, it is much like a deer hunter state, demographically, shorn of dysfunctional rust belt cities and associated cultural heritage. If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020. Probably not worth the effort due to few EV, but it is definitely doable by a home grown brigade once Trump demonstrates that virtuous people can like him too.

    “If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020.”

    I agree, if by “flip Trump” you mean the Democrat wins Oregon 57-43 instead of 60-40.

    illary got a mere 52% here this time only because third-party candidates stole that other 8%.

  115. @European in America
    I had forgotten about him. But then why didn't he run?

    He was the replacement black for Barry, in case, say, Barry turned out to be gay.
    It was the women’s turn this time.
    Next time will be woman time too.

  116. @anonguy

    Portland/Eugene runs the state
     
    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I've been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we've seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I'll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn't Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren't all California liberals over there, I'd say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie - corrupt rigged system in the end that isn't delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I'd tell them that I'd certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I'd vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They'd invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don't think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    Lovely post, thanks.

    Whites are pouring into Oregon — we’re the most moved-to state for something like six years now. They’re moving here to live around other White people in beautiful and diverse environs with an exciting big city. But they can’t admit that to themselves or say it out loud because that would make them racist, so they mouth pro-Diversity platitudes and vote Democrat to assuage cognitive dissonance and prove they’re not racist.

    I can’t imagine Whites in Eugene or the Portland metro area ever admitting they chose Oregon because they heart White people.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    I can’t imagine Whites in Eugene or the Portland metro area ever admitting they chose Oregon because they heart White people.
     
    No, but they do many things that implicitly reinforce this, it is very much in the weave of the state. The ban on self-serve gas, for instance, feeds this dynamic in obvious and less obvious ways.

    So they will be fine with Trump if he can be seen as something other than a racist ogre. He's going to be fine with them having their Scandinavian social democracy, which, other than wanting to always avoid any possible bummer or buzzkill, is all they really want around here as far as I can tell.
  117. @Canadian Observer
    Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.

    “Robert De Niro scoffs at the deplorables in Rust Belt states and believes their leader Donald Trump should be assaulted because he is not a good white.”

    Isn’t it funny that De Niro portrayed “The Deer Hunter” and Hillary lost the Deer Hunter States.

  118. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    The Democrats have a fixation on confiscating the guns of law abiding white citizens. I agree that they give little thought to guns possessed by “black guys in the hood.”

  119. @anon

    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It’s probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don’t like Florida-type summers.
     
    I'd describe Big Bear Lake as having that kind of weather, but not Bend.
    The winters can get pretty rough, there. They lose people to freezing to death every year. It's not so much the mean temperature. It's combined with the winds that take you out. At worst, it can get pretty darned shitty. The winds of Bend, unlike Chicago, are extremely dry. At night, with a 20 mph wind at 30 degrees and no humidity, you feel like you're walking on another planet–a planet that doesn't give a shit about you. It's stark.

    I might add the fine dust, from it's volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff.

    Bend is scenic, but ain't for sissies.

    To be plain, it's for white people hell bent on living in a community where urban blacks and hipsters won't follow them, based on location and weather.

    “I might add the fine dust, from it’s volcanic past, gets everywhere. Your car engine will bet encased in the stuff.”

    Heh. When I lived in Texas, a windy and dusty place, that phenomenon was known as a “Mexican Re-Bore.”

  120. @Steve Sailer
    California's endless vote counting is a disgrace.

    In a post-election exchange of emails with a correspondent from Thousand Oaks, he said Trump won the popular vote. Hillary’s total is inflated by illegal aliens and voter fraud in general.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    2 million fraudulent ballots? No way.
  121. @anonguy

    Portland/Eugene runs the state
     
    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I've been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we've seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I'll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn't Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren't all California liberals over there, I'd say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie - corrupt rigged system in the end that isn't delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I'd tell them that I'd certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I'd vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They'd invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don't think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    Bend has a lot of home equity refugees. They cashed out their home in California for an absurd price and bought something cheaper in Bend, which is quite nice. There’s also a good population of successful older people from the West side who bought a second or retirement home. The younger people are mostly outdoorsy types who are willing to live in poverty if there’s a view, and there is.

    Lots of people in Oregon have an RV to take advantage of the outstanding state park system.

    The downstate and East side outside of Bend still has a lot of native Oregonians, who are a good lot and astonishingly polite and friendly. But they’re also a small population compared to Portland, so swinging that 10% is a tall order. The Southern Oregon timber counties got nuked by the spotted owl 20 years ago and their economies still haven’t recovered. (I think the Josephine County sheriff’s office only has 8 hours of coverage a day.) There’s also a significant illegal immigrant population in some Willamette Valley farming areas.

  122. Jews are the biggest Kool-Aide drinkers, it has to do with class more than anything else. Those who are lower class and removed from aping WASP pretentions, like the Ultra Orthodox, vote Republican regularly. But Orthodox don’t need to keep up appearances at the Club, or on Wall Street, etc.

    Jews are just like blacks! Despite being the world’s richest, smartest, most powerful minority, they lack an agency at all, and everything bad that they do is YT’s fault. Or somebody else’s fault. All the good stuff they do is 100% Jewish, though.

    Gotcha Whis, good to see you aren’t any less leftist than you used to be (always watch for this leftist BS to come out when the subject turns to Jews; criticizing blacks and mestizos is one thing, but these are Jews we’re talking about).

    Jews are the leaders, not the Kool-Aid drinkers.

    Naughty “WASP” mind-control rays caused Jews to vote 71% for Clinton, lol. Higher than anyone but blacks. Evil “WASP” influence caused Jewish Hollywood to donate for Clinton 75-1 (99.99%) over Trump.

    Poor Jews, ruled by the “WASPs.” “WASPs” force Jews to control Hollywood, Wall Street, Democrat Party, to be 35% of the Forbes 400 oligarchs who push open borders. “WASPs” force Jews to support the world’s most prominent white ethnostate, while promoting leftism, degeneracy, and open borders for America.

    Those “WASPs” sure get around. Busy little bees.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Jews are just like blacks!"

    There used to be a saying... "Jews vote like Puerto Ricans."

    Why do Jews earn like Wasps but vote like the poor?

    This amusing observation made sense because Democratic Party did once represent the working class, the poor, the have-lesses.

    But given the change of the Democratic into the globo-party of Wall Street and Silicon Valley(the Super-rich Party), it's more sensible to wonder why Puerto Ricans earn like the underclass but vote like the overclass.
  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really.

    Ellison is also anti Israel, and rejected a Catholic upbringing including Catholic schools. He wrote pro Nation of Islam articles. Just what the Dems need as their front man!

    “Ellison is also anti Israel”

    American Right needs to side with Palestinians as well.

    De-program yourself from kneejerk servility to Zion.

    The Entire Jewish Global Power Network tried to Palestinianize the white race. Not only in the US but in the ancient homelands of Europe.

    99% of Jewish-controlled institutions pushed the ‘refugee’ crisis on Europe.

    Israelis come to Greece to welcome ‘refugees’ headed to Europe. Incredible!

    Hillary, their whore, promised her masters to finish off White America.

    NYT and entire Ivy League power structure condemn Hungary for trying to preserve itself.

    Despite all this, the Right still favors Israel over Palestinians?

    Remember, we didn’t start this hostility. American Right supported Israel and became pro-Jewish.
    It is the Jews who’ve been unrelenting in their demand that all white nations be Palestinianized thru endless invasions.

    In saying NO to Invasivism, we need to side with Palestinians, the first people to be Palestinianized.

    2016 was a year when most of the Jewish Powers that be (even in the GOP) denounced any supporter of Trump as deplorable subhuman nazi and etc.

    This level of dehumanization was surpassed only by Nazis and commies.

    And if Trump had lost, the powers of Zion would have their boots over your face in the mud(like in Spielberg’s Lincoln) and gloating over your demise.

    The Right didn’t ask for this fight with Jews. They waged it on the Right.
    Right must side with Palestinians.

    Zion can never be trusted.

    How they really feel:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/10/04/the-case-for-trump-uncle-tim-endorsement/

  124. P.S. Whis, there is no “e” in Kool-Aid, and no “o” in Sailer. Take the “e” out of your “Kool-Aide” and give it to Steve Sailer. You can do what you like with the “o.”

    If guys like you are programming everything, it’s no wonder nothing works.

  125. @Boomstick
    It used to be firearm-friendly, but Oregon is becoming gun-hostile in a typically Democratic party way. Portland/Eugene runs the state, and Portland has been overrun by hipster imports with utterly conventional left-wing politics. That includes gun control. They're OK on concealed carry, for now, but the governor wants to ban standard magazines and a bunch of other nonsense.

    I think so far Vermont remains pro 2A mainly because it’s written into their state constitution.

  126. @AP
    Will African-American Christians go for a Muslim who turned his back on his Christian faith?

    A fair number will.

  127. “Cops kind of like gun control, right?”

    I don’t pretend to know much about cops nationwide, but I’ve been a cop well over a decade in a large West coast city. In my experience, real cops are overwhelmingly against gun control.

    Chiefs of Police, who were cops for maybe five years before beginning their political rises, are mostly pro gun control. Street cops, who are extremely aware of who does most of the shooting (not permit holders) and what cops are mostly able to do about it (show up and hold the crime scene until homicide dicks arrive) are not.

    • Replies: @Dr. X

    In my experience, real cops are overwhelmingly against gun control.
     
    But they're paid well enough to ignore their conscience and enforce the gun control laws they supposedly dislike anyway.
  128. @Svigor
    How did the Jews take Israel, being such bleeding heart sissies?

    How did the Jews take Israel, being such bleeding heart sissies?

    Other people fought a war and then gave Palestine to Jews out of guilt.

    Or, “How to get your own nation with this One Cool Trick”

  129. @Jack D
    DNC head is not a path to the nomination. They know that they can't put Ellison on the ticket. Ellison's job is to make sure that next time the voters of Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. turn out like they did for Obama. Having a black on the ticket is a good way but perhaps not the only way (although I can't think of a better, easier method). There are guys like Cory Booker who could play the role of Obama II. Or maybe Kamala Harris - she carries double diversity Pokemon points. At this stage in 2004, Obama was equally unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

    The fact that she is a blank slate is an advantage - the Hillary adverstising was ineffective largely because Hillary was such an known quantity. Harris has a white husband however. This would be a negative for her among black women.

    As people here have figured out, the key for a D is to have a candidate who is attractive to blacks without alienating whites. You want to increase black turnout without chasing an even greater # of whites into the R column. The easiest way is to find an acceptable talented tenth (not too) black person - an Obama type. Blacks will vote for him (or her) just by virtue of the fact that he is (partly) black. (Obama did little for blacks during his term other than filling his cabinet with his fellow paper bag test winners). Whites will vote for a non-threatening black like Obama. He can even have a Muslim or other exotic name. After the 5th or 6th consecutive black President, whites might get sick of it, but next cycle is a perfect time because 2 whites were on the ticket this time. To lessen the boredom and increase the appeal, you can hybridize the candidate with the various elements of the Fringe Coalition - half black, half S. Asian woman (Harris), then a gay black man, then a Latino-black trannie, etc. You make the VP white - some senior elder statesman like Biden.

    Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren't that wild about BLM and even if they were, Hillary is still an old white lady) but meanwhile alienated whites further - the exact opposite of what you want.

    Corey has a thing for men or white women, either way that’s a non-starter for black women. It won’t help him any with Midwest whites either.

    If he has serious presidential aspirations he needs to find a black wife soon that can pop out a kid soon. This is what Kasim Reed did when his name was mentioned as the next GA governor & eventual POTUS.

  130. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    The Agenda™ has been a success!

  131. @Dr. X

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today’s Democrats, at least. They’re neither that smart nor that self aware. They’re true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.
     
    That's true. The Hollywood Left and the advertising Left betray this. They portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes -- only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population -- commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.

    The Left does not believe that gun violence in black neighborhoods is the fault of blacks -- they believe it is the fault of the NRA and white males who insist on preserving Second Amendment rights.

    hey portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.

    The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover."

    If you want to see unsympathetic violent Black characters, watch a hood movie.

    To use a recent example, the Negro Suge Knight came off as an extremely unlikable violent character in Straight Outta Compton.

    , @trumped
    Elmore Leonard's best hollywood adaptation, FX's Justified, had several. But I agree with your general point. Justified was the exception to a lot of tv rules.
    , @MarcB
    The Shield.
  132. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Jews are the biggest Kool-Aide drinkers, it has to do with class more than anything else. Those who are lower class and removed from aping WASP pretentions, like the Ultra Orthodox, vote Republican regularly. But Orthodox don’t need to keep up appearances at the Club, or on Wall Street, etc.
     
    Jews are just like blacks! Despite being the world's richest, smartest, most powerful minority, they lack an agency at all, and everything bad that they do is YT's fault. Or somebody else's fault. All the good stuff they do is 100% Jewish, though.

    Gotcha Whis, good to see you aren't any less leftist than you used to be (always watch for this leftist BS to come out when the subject turns to Jews; criticizing blacks and mestizos is one thing, but these are Jews we're talking about).

    Jews are the leaders, not the Kool-Aid drinkers.

    Naughty "WASP" mind-control rays caused Jews to vote 71% for Clinton, lol. Higher than anyone but blacks. Evil "WASP" influence caused Jewish Hollywood to donate for Clinton 75-1 (99.99%) over Trump.

    Poor Jews, ruled by the "WASPs." "WASPs" force Jews to control Hollywood, Wall Street, Democrat Party, to be 35% of the Forbes 400 oligarchs who push open borders. "WASPs" force Jews to support the world's most prominent white ethnostate, while promoting leftism, degeneracy, and open borders for America.

    Those "WASPs" sure get around. Busy little bees.

    “Jews are just like blacks!”

    There used to be a saying… “Jews vote like Puerto Ricans.”

    Why do Jews earn like Wasps but vote like the poor?

    This amusing observation made sense because Democratic Party did once represent the working class, the poor, the have-lesses.

    But given the change of the Democratic into the globo-party of Wall Street and Silicon Valley(the Super-rich Party), it’s more sensible to wonder why Puerto Ricans earn like the underclass but vote like the overclass.

    • Replies: @Hcat
    Puerto Ricans, and blacks, vote like the Overclass because so many of their white class peers have attitudes like those expressed in these threads and in the alt-right. It's sad, because their problems are not that different from those of the white working class. But the Overclass plays the Race Card, and the Alt Right enables the Overclass by Alt Right rhetoric.
  133. @penntothal
    He was a strange choice.

    The people backing him should have known (or maybe they didn't vet this) that his having two mommies would spoil his appeal to fellow-Mormons otherwise predisposed to vote for him.

    McMullin was a last ditch, desperation fill in candidate by people who couldn’t conceive of Trump being the nominee even after he started winning primaries. When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed. This overperfomance was probably due to the fact that many of his supporters knew almost nothing about him other than that some Neocon media lackey they like supported McMullin.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441836/restart-gop-new-group-starts-post-election-gop-conflict

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    I think his real support was largely from an LDS network in Utah.
    , @Jefferson
    "When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed"

    I 100 percent disagree that Evan McMullin overperformed. There were polls saying that Mormons sided with Jews and Nonwhites in their hatred of Donald Trump. Yet in the end most Mormons held up their noses in the voting booth and voted for Donald Trump over Evan McMullin.

    Donald Trump vastly overperformed with Mormon voters and Evan McMullin vastly underperformed with Mormon voters.

    Evan McMullin's only job was to prevent Donald Trump from winning Utah and that retard failed to even accomplish that.

    If you want to know who poured money into Evan McMullin's failed campaign it's the pro-open borders hacks Rick Wilson, George Will, Lindsey Graham, and Bill Kristol. Maybe they can use this as a tax write off.
  134. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Lovely post, thanks.

    Whites are pouring into Oregon -- we're the most moved-to state for something like six years now. They're moving here to live around other White people in beautiful and diverse environs with an exciting big city. But they can't admit that to themselves or say it out loud because that would make them racist, so they mouth pro-Diversity platitudes and vote Democrat to assuage cognitive dissonance and prove they're not racist.

    I can't imagine Whites in Eugene or the Portland metro area ever admitting they chose Oregon because they heart White people.

    I can’t imagine Whites in Eugene or the Portland metro area ever admitting they chose Oregon because they heart White people.

    No, but they do many things that implicitly reinforce this, it is very much in the weave of the state. The ban on self-serve gas, for instance, feeds this dynamic in obvious and less obvious ways.

    So they will be fine with Trump if he can be seen as something other than a racist ogre. He’s going to be fine with them having their Scandinavian social democracy, which, other than wanting to always avoid any possible bummer or buzzkill, is all they really want around here as far as I can tell.

  135. @Jack D
    DNC head is not a path to the nomination. They know that they can't put Ellison on the ticket. Ellison's job is to make sure that next time the voters of Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. turn out like they did for Obama. Having a black on the ticket is a good way but perhaps not the only way (although I can't think of a better, easier method). There are guys like Cory Booker who could play the role of Obama II. Or maybe Kamala Harris - she carries double diversity Pokemon points. At this stage in 2004, Obama was equally unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

    The fact that she is a blank slate is an advantage - the Hillary adverstising was ineffective largely because Hillary was such an known quantity. Harris has a white husband however. This would be a negative for her among black women.

    As people here have figured out, the key for a D is to have a candidate who is attractive to blacks without alienating whites. You want to increase black turnout without chasing an even greater # of whites into the R column. The easiest way is to find an acceptable talented tenth (not too) black person - an Obama type. Blacks will vote for him (or her) just by virtue of the fact that he is (partly) black. (Obama did little for blacks during his term other than filling his cabinet with his fellow paper bag test winners). Whites will vote for a non-threatening black like Obama. He can even have a Muslim or other exotic name. After the 5th or 6th consecutive black President, whites might get sick of it, but next cycle is a perfect time because 2 whites were on the ticket this time. To lessen the boredom and increase the appeal, you can hybridize the candidate with the various elements of the Fringe Coalition - half black, half S. Asian woman (Harris), then a gay black man, then a Latino-black trannie, etc. You make the VP white - some senior elder statesman like Biden.

    Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren't that wild about BLM and even if they were, Hillary is still an old white lady) but meanwhile alienated whites further - the exact opposite of what you want.

    Kamala Harris is a very strong candidate indeed. Her diversity pokemon points are through the roof. And she doesn’t alienate whites. She’d be a slam dunk for 2024. Patrick would also appeal to whites. Booker is a good choice too, except for his fishy private life. So they have at least three viable black or part black (i.e. black) candidates going forward.

    I think they will run someone weak in 2020 because it will be an incumbent election. But I would put money on Kamala 2024.

  136. @Ed
    I think in terms of internal Democrat politics Ellison isn't a bad pick. It signals the end of the orientation to Southern blacks with its focus on civil rights.

    Ellison has his baggage but at least we won't be hearing too much about nonsensical issues that only the black political establishment cares about it.

    “I think in terms of internal Democrat politics Ellison isn’t a bad pick. It signals the end of the orientation to Southern blacks with its focus on civil rights.

    Ellison has his baggage but at least we won’t be hearing too much about nonsensical issues that only the black political establishment cares about it.”

    Keith Ellison is Black, so why would he not care about nonsensical issues that the Black establishment cares about?

    Did his lighter than average skin for a Negro make you think he was Nonblack? Did you think he was an Arab because he’s Muslim?

  137. @Lurker

    hey portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.
     
    The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.

    “The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.”

    If you want to see unsympathetic violent Black characters, watch a hood movie.

    To use a recent example, the Negro Suge Knight came off as an extremely unlikable violent character in Straight Outta Compton.

  138. @Jack D
    DNC head is not a path to the nomination. They know that they can't put Ellison on the ticket. Ellison's job is to make sure that next time the voters of Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. turn out like they did for Obama. Having a black on the ticket is a good way but perhaps not the only way (although I can't think of a better, easier method). There are guys like Cory Booker who could play the role of Obama II. Or maybe Kamala Harris - she carries double diversity Pokemon points. At this stage in 2004, Obama was equally unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

    The fact that she is a blank slate is an advantage - the Hillary adverstising was ineffective largely because Hillary was such an known quantity. Harris has a white husband however. This would be a negative for her among black women.

    As people here have figured out, the key for a D is to have a candidate who is attractive to blacks without alienating whites. You want to increase black turnout without chasing an even greater # of whites into the R column. The easiest way is to find an acceptable talented tenth (not too) black person - an Obama type. Blacks will vote for him (or her) just by virtue of the fact that he is (partly) black. (Obama did little for blacks during his term other than filling his cabinet with his fellow paper bag test winners). Whites will vote for a non-threatening black like Obama. He can even have a Muslim or other exotic name. After the 5th or 6th consecutive black President, whites might get sick of it, but next cycle is a perfect time because 2 whites were on the ticket this time. To lessen the boredom and increase the appeal, you can hybridize the candidate with the various elements of the Fringe Coalition - half black, half S. Asian woman (Harris), then a gay black man, then a Latino-black trannie, etc. You make the VP white - some senior elder statesman like Biden.

    Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren't that wild about BLM and even if they were, Hillary is still an old white lady) but meanwhile alienated whites further - the exact opposite of what you want.

    “Since Hillary had zero street cred, she tried the extreme measure of hitching her wagon to BLM. This did little to excite blacks (they aren’t that wild about BLM”

    Are they not wild about Black Lies Matter because they believe that organization is not Left Wing enough? If they tilt any further Left they are going to fall off a cliff.

  139. Actually, these are “deer hunter” states.

    They are People Of The Deer states.

    The difference is not as minor as it may sound.

    signed
    People of the Elk, Moose, and Bear

  140. @Mr. Anon
    "Looks like the next DNC head will be a black left wing Muslim. Really."

    That sounds like good news, but one should be leary of wishing that the enemy choose "that guy" because we're sure to beat him. In the near term, Ellison probably will hurt them. But the Clinton campaign thought that Trump was the man to beat (as did the Carter campaign about Reagan). Who knows what will be popular in 2020? Ellison in charge of the DNC may be no big deal by then. I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

    I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

    I hope you don’t mind my suggesting that you might not have been paying much attention. Already before his initial Senate election Obama was being floated as a potential future president. Immediately after the 204 election Newsweek consecrated a half a page to profiling each new Senator but a two-page spread to the utterly unaccomplished and uninteresting Obama. At that point I made up my mind that someone well-placed REEEEEALLY wanted him to be president. I have never let go of that conviction.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    You might be right, but he was only elected to the Senate in 2006. Okay - I will amend my statment: I never would have imagined, even as late as 2006, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.
  141. @Hibernian
    This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it's in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There's almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I'm 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I'm 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now.

    “This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it’s in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There’s almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I’m 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I’m 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now.”

    So Chicago is such a high crime city that even in White neighborhoods we Whites are not safe from Negro crime?

    Can mass public transportation be blamed for the Black thug underclass’s extremely easy access to White neighborhoods in Chicago?

    Chicago is not a car dependent city like Orlando and Dallas for example correct? It’s more like San Francisco and New York City?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Mount Greenwood has some public transportation, but it isn't that good, buses only. If this incident was connected with the protests, they may have come in with protesters who had cars, SUVS, vans, or small buses.
  142. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    There’s also an element of black violence being Oh-So-Regrettable but basically admired by Dems in the depths of their psychological swamps.

    We were talking last week about how beta males will go into meltdown when they experience a T surge. They have been trained/brainwashed/propagandized to this, their very manhood weaponized against them.

    This is part of why DJT drives them to frenzy, or puts them in a state of easy suggestibility for that frenzy.

    Some of you saw the still photo of his expression and demeanor as the Secret Service agent grabbed him in Reno–the resolute stance of not backing down. The expression of a dad who has seen everything, looking on tempests and being unafraid.

    Males who have experienced nothing but punishment for reacting like that (genetically) have a whole lot to work out before they can own it themselves. Of course some of them are just weenies. But either way, the worship of gangsta/cRap mass culture has been been designed and offered to them as shackles.

    IME the teaching and encouragement of America’s Martial Art is a specific against that brainwashing. A person who becomes familiar with firearms handling and the big changes in psyche that come along with that (when properly taught/socialized) will look at a lot of things differently, not just guns.

    That’s the real threat–and promise–of the Second Amendment. And why the elites want it gone. It empowers in a non-BS way that elites cannot control.

    For Dems, their admiration of and fantasies about armed violent blacks is the only way they have to deal with nasty, non-rainbow-unicorn facts such as that there are different humanoid sub populations, in conflict for mates, territory, and resources. They may recognize this or not, and it doesn’t matter. They are suggestible, and that is enough for the Sons of Bernays.

    Of course very many Dems and Dem voters are women. Which is why it’s important to bring them along. (The hand that rocks the gun vault door….)

    The love of my life has found that being cheerful and nondefensive about being a People Of The Gun is an excellent source of Zen slaps to women who aren’t demonstrably insane/borderline.

    Especially in the wake of MSM not being able to ignore Ferguson, Baltimore, and Milwaukee. It starts off as a wide-eyed comment like, “A bunch of friends are having girls’ day at the skeet and trap club this weekend. Would you like to come along? Two of them are Olympic-ranked athletes, but we’ve got newcomers too. Afterward we go over to the saloon for beer and lace knitting.”

    Eventually the Dem is admitting sotto voce over one-on-one coffee that she is, in fact, deeply concerned about personal safety.

    It’s a lot more rewarding than just hating on them. I come here to vent that. On the firing line, my better angels are in charge. Another gift of RKBA.

  143. Chiefs of Police, who were cops for maybe five years before beginning their political rises, are mostly pro gun control. Street cops, who are extremely aware of who does most of the shooting (not permit holders) and what cops are mostly able to do about it (show up and hold the crime scene until homicide dicks arrive) are not.

    Populism vs. Elitism. The brass support gun control, because the elite does, and that’s who butters the brass’ bread. The rank-and-file oppose it, because their interests are more aligned with the people and sucking up to the elite isn’t on their radar.

    Sort of like Jews and the Catholic church. Generally speaking, the Catholic brass were friendly with the Jews, because money and power. The rank-and-file, on the other hand, were hostile, because exploitation of the people. Martin Luther moved between both camps. He started in the cloisters, and Jew-friendly. Then he got outdoors and started working with the people, saw their reality, and turned against the Jews.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    Chiefs of Police usually answer to city politicians, and city politicians are usually anti-gun.

    County sheriffs are in most states elected officials in their own right. They often have a broader and non-urban constituency and are frequently pro-gun.
  144. I hear that Michigan has been declared for Trump, although the MSM don’t seem keen to bring that subject up.

    That’s 306 for Trump.

  145. @West Coast cop
    "Cops kind of like gun control, right?"

    I don't pretend to know much about cops nationwide, but I've been a cop well over a decade in a large West coast city. In my experience, real cops are overwhelmingly against gun control.

    Chiefs of Police, who were cops for maybe five years before beginning their political rises, are mostly pro gun control. Street cops, who are extremely aware of who does most of the shooting (not permit holders) and what cops are mostly able to do about it (show up and hold the crime scene until homicide dicks arrive) are not.

    In my experience, real cops are overwhelmingly against gun control.

    But they’re paid well enough to ignore their conscience and enforce the gun control laws they supposedly dislike anyway.

  146. @Steve Sailer
    Bend is high desert with only 12 inches of rain per year (and 24 inches of snow), but plenty of water coming down from the Cascade Mountains. It's probably a really good climate for northerners who like having a little winter (but not too much) and who don't like Florida-type summers.

    I worked in the Bend area over part of a winter. Bend is at altitude and has long, LONG, cold, COLD winters that scare off all but the hardiest. I swore I’d never let it happen again — and I’m from Canada.

    Central Oregon is a great place. The best time to enjoy it is May and June.

  147. @Barnard
    McMullin was a last ditch, desperation fill in candidate by people who couldn't conceive of Trump being the nominee even after he started winning primaries. When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed. This overperfomance was probably due to the fact that many of his supporters knew almost nothing about him other than that some Neocon media lackey they like supported McMullin.



    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441836/restart-gop-new-group-starts-post-election-gop-conflict

    I think his real support was largely from an LDS network in Utah.

  148. @Jefferson
    "This is in Chicago. In broad daylight. I think it’s in Mount Greenwood, the neighborhood of the recent funeral procession/blocking fire trucks at firehouse shooting and subsequent protests/riots. There’s almost certainly a connection. I heard about the attack on the older man (I’m 62 myself) on the radio. Notice the vehicles, including a truck, passing by and not stopping to intervene. I recognize Mount Greenwood Park on 111th St. in the background. (I’m 85% sure.) The neighborhood is overwhelmingly white. No further comment for now."

    So Chicago is such a high crime city that even in White neighborhoods we Whites are not safe from Negro crime?

    Can mass public transportation be blamed for the Black thug underclass's extremely easy access to White neighborhoods in Chicago?

    Chicago is not a car dependent city like Orlando and Dallas for example correct? It's more like San Francisco and New York City?

    Mount Greenwood has some public transportation, but it isn’t that good, buses only. If this incident was connected with the protests, they may have come in with protesters who had cars, SUVS, vans, or small buses.

  149. @Svigor

    Chiefs of Police, who were cops for maybe five years before beginning their political rises, are mostly pro gun control. Street cops, who are extremely aware of who does most of the shooting (not permit holders) and what cops are mostly able to do about it (show up and hold the crime scene until homicide dicks arrive) are not.
     
    Populism vs. Elitism. The brass support gun control, because the elite does, and that's who butters the brass' bread. The rank-and-file oppose it, because their interests are more aligned with the people and sucking up to the elite isn't on their radar.

    Sort of like Jews and the Catholic church. Generally speaking, the Catholic brass were friendly with the Jews, because money and power. The rank-and-file, on the other hand, were hostile, because exploitation of the people. Martin Luther moved between both camps. He started in the cloisters, and Jew-friendly. Then he got outdoors and started working with the people, saw their reality, and turned against the Jews.

    Chiefs of Police usually answer to city politicians, and city politicians are usually anti-gun.

    County sheriffs are in most states elected officials in their own right. They often have a broader and non-urban constituency and are frequently pro-gun.

  150. @Barnard
    McMullin was a last ditch, desperation fill in candidate by people who couldn't conceive of Trump being the nominee even after he started winning primaries. When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed. This overperfomance was probably due to the fact that many of his supporters knew almost nothing about him other than that some Neocon media lackey they like supported McMullin.



    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441836/restart-gop-new-group-starts-post-election-gop-conflict

    “When you factor in how awful McMullin was at campaigning and that his media backers even turned on him, I would say he overperformed”

    I 100 percent disagree that Evan McMullin overperformed. There were polls saying that Mormons sided with Jews and Nonwhites in their hatred of Donald Trump. Yet in the end most Mormons held up their noses in the voting booth and voted for Donald Trump over Evan McMullin.

    Donald Trump vastly overperformed with Mormon voters and Evan McMullin vastly underperformed with Mormon voters.

    Evan McMullin’s only job was to prevent Donald Trump from winning Utah and that retard failed to even accomplish that.

    If you want to know who poured money into Evan McMullin’s failed campaign it’s the pro-open borders hacks Rick Wilson, George Will, Lindsey Graham, and Bill Kristol. Maybe they can use this as a tax write off.

  151. @David In TN
    In a post-election exchange of emails with a correspondent from Thousand Oaks, he said Trump won the popular vote. Hillary's total is inflated by illegal aliens and voter fraud in general.

    2 million fraudulent ballots? No way.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    And just what is there to stop it? The honesty and integrity of the Left? Don't make us laugh.
  152. The Clintons always seem to impale themselves on the gun control issue. Back in ’94 the assault weapons ban, Brady bill, and crime bill resulted in the Democrats losing control of the House for the first time in decades. In 2000 Gore’s history with the Clintons on gun control probably lost him Tennessee, West Virginia, and the election. And I think not alienating union deer hunters in Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin would have gone a long ways towards her becoming president.

    I don’t think there’s a rational reason for it. Gun control gains them no votes because anyone in favor of it is likely already voting Democratic for other reasons. It can alienate voters with a predisposition to vote Democratic, such as midwestern union members. It’s particularly deadly for them in swing states and popular only in states they’re going to win anyway. It’s useless from a crime control standpoint. They’re currently foaming at the mouth about assault weapons, which are used in maybe a hundred murders a year.

    Their motivation seems to be pure cultural warfare–sticking it to white males.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It’s useless from a crime control standpoint"

    The Left was never pro-crime control in the first place. Their support of gun control has nothing to do with crime control.

    This is how you know the Left is not pro-crime control, they scream racism whenever a politician whether on the local or national level runs on the platform of law and order.
  153. @Boomstick
    The Clintons always seem to impale themselves on the gun control issue. Back in '94 the assault weapons ban, Brady bill, and crime bill resulted in the Democrats losing control of the House for the first time in decades. In 2000 Gore's history with the Clintons on gun control probably lost him Tennessee, West Virginia, and the election. And I think not alienating union deer hunters in Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin would have gone a long ways towards her becoming president.

    I don't think there's a rational reason for it. Gun control gains them no votes because anyone in favor of it is likely already voting Democratic for other reasons. It can alienate voters with a predisposition to vote Democratic, such as midwestern union members. It's particularly deadly for them in swing states and popular only in states they're going to win anyway. It's useless from a crime control standpoint. They're currently foaming at the mouth about assault weapons, which are used in maybe a hundred murders a year.

    Their motivation seems to be pure cultural warfare--sticking it to white males.

    “It’s useless from a crime control standpoint”

    The Left was never pro-crime control in the first place. Their support of gun control has nothing to do with crime control.

    This is how you know the Left is not pro-crime control, they scream racism whenever a politician whether on the local or national level runs on the platform of law and order.

  154. @anonguy

    Portland/Eugene runs the state
     
    I live in Eugene and spend tons of time in Portland for business, so I hear ya. Lane County is not particularly eager to be handing out those cc cards. Got a cousin in Salem who just retired as an Assistant AG, which, in Oregon, is a little less exalted than it sounds, but still pretty wired.

    There is another underground story brewing in Portlandia and the whole mountain west in general but less prominently at the moment than in Oregon. I've been studying this place since I moved out here, pretty fascinating place.

    Yes, we've seen the hipster element in Portlandia, etc, but it is increasingly attracting deer country types as well. Most prominently in retirees, it is a haven for them, a throwback to Pleasantville.

    Lots of lower middle class, lower class whites migrating out this way. This is less noticed than the Portlandia smart and sexy set, of course, same class as the media, but if anything, it is a greater trend IMO, at least because it is going unnoticed.

    Like that Trump is going to win thing I told you guys about endlessly for months. Maybe now thats over I'll start on Cascadia/Great Basin/Mountain West. Lots going on out here.

    Anyhow, I talk to people. Surprising how many times the kid behind the counter in some out of the way town just moved to Oregon from anywhere and you can guess that anywhere is often Deer Hunter country even if the guy isn't Ukrainian even if he looks like he could be.

    There is an astonishing lack of southern Europeans out here, when you think about it.

    Bend, Oregon and various places over the Cascades are running riot with growth and with the RV set and up as a significant component. They aren't all California liberals over there, I'd say they are the distinct minority.

    What, never heard of Bend, Oregon? Well, I never had either, but it is an interesting story although uninteresting to MSM. No guys with dreadlocks and skirts like Portlandia. But phenomenal growth.

    And of course, all the Dems, it is Bernie country. I talk to these people, as one might imagine.

    I have, even in the worst days of whatever the hysteria du jour was, get the Bernie Bros to respect why I supported Trump.

    Because it was the same reason they supported Bernie - corrupt rigged system in the end that isn't delivering the goods for the masses of Americans.

    And then I'd tell them that I'd certainly vote for Bernie if the race came to Bernie vs. any GOPe other than Trump just as certainly as I'd vote for Trump over anyone the DNC would push reflexively and that the only honorable race possible was Bernie vs. Trump.

    They'd invariably get it. They want a wrecking ball too and they only thing holding them back from Trump is peer pressure that is counter to reality due to all the propaganda during the campaign. So that cognitive dissonance will crumble eventually.

    Trump can win these guys over and if anything Trump understands, it is having the cool people on your side, you don't think he is going to target the rising youth class, the urban hipsters?

    He only lost Oregon by 10%. IMO, the way sentiment was turning against Hillary, a few more days Oregon would have flipped if along with that there was some targeted effort to flip the state. It is a place that hates government corruption and non-fair deals. Very utopian and that is how Trump thinks, he is always talking about how beautiful everything is going to be and he really would like to have a society that is as placid, untroubled, productive, and healthy as Oregon is now for its residents.

    It really is a very good match after we bury all the hatchets.

    LOL at the idea that Oregon hates government corruption and non-fair deals. The history of the state’s government suggests the exact opposite.

    But there is a gulf between people of the blood there and everyone else. If you have kin there, it’s completely different than if you don’t, even if you never see said kin.

  155. @Lurker

    hey portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.
     
    The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.

    Elmore Leonard’s best hollywood adaptation, FX’s Justified, had several. But I agree with your general point. Justified was the exception to a lot of tv rules.

  156. @Greasy William
    2 million fraudulent ballots? No way.

    And just what is there to stop it? The honesty and integrity of the Left? Don’t make us laugh.

  157. @anonguy
    I relocated my U.S. residence to Oregon a couple of years ago.

    It has all the benefits of an SWPL state, basically life here is like wearing pajamas all day, it is an eloi like existence.

    But somehow, they are totally cool with gun rights and hunting. You wouldn't believe the citizenship/residency verification for a DL, make any red state proud but they aren't allowed to do it like a blue state. And the roads are great with very little traffic. Superlative sandwich makers too.

    Maybe they will secede.

    Frankly, it is much like a deer hunter state, demographically, shorn of dysfunctional rust belt cities and associated cultural heritage. If they are still part of the union, Oregon would be the likeliest west coast state to flip to Trump in 2020. Probably not worth the effort due to few EV, but it is definitely doable by a home grown brigade once Trump demonstrates that virtuous people can like him too.

    The DL verification is strict because vehicle registration is so cheap. Out-of-staters were registering their vehicles in Oregon to dodge California taxes.

    A good summary of politics in Oregon below. It’s run by Portland, and the rest of the state is irrelevant. Portland is conventional left. Alas, a lot of local political idiosyncrasies have been wiped out in the last few decades and have been replaced by a homogenized and uniform national politics. (Well, maybe except for Louisiana.)

    http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/trumps_anti-government_stance.html#incart_2box

    Trump isn’t exactly anti-government. That’s just lazy reporting.

  158. @Nico

    I never would have imagined, even as late as 2007, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.
     
    I hope you don't mind my suggesting that you might not have been paying much attention. Already before his initial Senate election Obama was being floated as a potential future president. Immediately after the 204 election Newsweek consecrated a half a page to profiling each new Senator but a two-page spread to the utterly unaccomplished and uninteresting Obama. At that point I made up my mind that someone well-placed REEEEEALLY wanted him to be president. I have never let go of that conviction.

    You might be right, but he was only elected to the Senate in 2006. Okay – I will amend my statment: I never would have imagined, even as late as 2006, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Barry the Kenyan was selected back in his Columbia days. That was when he met
    Brzezinski.


    That was always a long time coming.

    Ever looked at how a "community Organizer" got elected to the Senate?

    http://humanevents.com/2012/08/01/ann-coulter-obamas-signature-move-unsealing-private-records/
  159. @Maj
    The problem for the Democrats that they always run into when they get excited about gun control is that:

    - They want to take handguns away from dangerous urban minorities.

    - They will never ever admit that’s what they want to do.

    I strongly disagree, Steve. Not today's Democrats, at least. They're neither that smart nor that self aware. They're true believers. In their heart of hearts, when they think about the problem of guns, they really are thinking of white guys with confederate flags and pickup trucks, not black guys in the hood, as irrational as that seems.

    And the guys in the hood are one of the real arguments for gun control!

  160. @Anon
    "Jews are just like blacks!"

    There used to be a saying... "Jews vote like Puerto Ricans."

    Why do Jews earn like Wasps but vote like the poor?

    This amusing observation made sense because Democratic Party did once represent the working class, the poor, the have-lesses.

    But given the change of the Democratic into the globo-party of Wall Street and Silicon Valley(the Super-rich Party), it's more sensible to wonder why Puerto Ricans earn like the underclass but vote like the overclass.

    Puerto Ricans, and blacks, vote like the Overclass because so many of their white class peers have attitudes like those expressed in these threads and in the alt-right. It’s sad, because their problems are not that different from those of the white working class. But the Overclass plays the Race Card, and the Alt Right enables the Overclass by Alt Right rhetoric.

  161. The talk of the popular vote is irrelevant to informed people. If you want to play a game won on ball control or takeaways, you set that up beforehand. You don’t wait until you’ve lost the game based on points scored, then try to go back and retcon. Point being, if it was based on the popular vote (a Godawful idea that the Founders rejected because it would reward fraud), the results would have been different, because the players would have played the game that way.

    Elmore Leonard’s best hollywood adaptation, FX’s Justified, had several. But I agree with your general point. Justified was the exception to a lot of tv rules.

    Justified was wall-to-wall evil degenerate rednecks, it’s not like they really bucked the trend (Whites Are Always Worse).

    Boomstick: yeah Sheriff brass are far more populist.

  162. Leftists are angry because Whites voted as a block for their self-interest, and that is the genesis of all their apoplectic rage. They banked on the Good Whites to taking another one for the team, but Good Whites got tired of getting stuck with the “grenade”. The Left thought they had this whole thing sewn up for the onward march to 2040.

  163. @Lurker

    hey portray just about every criminal as a white man, when in fact black makes — only 6 to 6 1/2% of the population — commit over fifty percent of the murders and armed robberies in this country.
     
    The Agenda™!

    Can anyone name a drama/law & order type show (other than The Wire) that depicted a single unsympathetic violent black male offender? And not one who turned out to have been framed by a corrupt white racist cop or a scorned white female lover.

    The Shield.

  164. @Random Dude on the Internet
    If the DNC wants to make it clear that they have no room for white people in their party, whites will begin, at various paces, leave the Democrat party. If 58% of whites gave Trump his victory, 60-62% will wipe out any minority gains in 2020.

    As I've said before, 2016 is the last time the Democrats will allow white people either as President or VP. Since Trump won over majority of white women, they have lost their "victim" status and are now considered as deplorable as the men. The anti-white hostility is going to get under the skin of the remaining 30 million or so white Democrats who don't hate being white and don't think they should be hated for being white either.

    Let the few million remaining white SWPLs be the whipping post for the New Democrat Party; Republicans need to do what they can to get those 30 million whites over on their side. If they can convert a couple million each election cycle, it will be enough to stay ahead of demographic shifts for the next couple of decades.

    There will still be a few million whites that will never stop hating Whites, including themselves.

  165. @Mr. Anon
    You might be right, but he was only elected to the Senate in 2006. Okay - I will amend my statment: I never would have imagined, even as late as 2006, that we would have a President named Barack Hussein Obama.

    Barry the Kenyan was selected back in his Columbia days. That was when he met
    Brzezinski.

    That was always a long time coming.

    Ever looked at how a “community Organizer” got elected to the Senate?

    http://humanevents.com/2012/08/01/ann-coulter-obamas-signature-move-unsealing-private-records/

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