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I’m not going to watch, but feel free to comment.

Last night was World War T Night:

Isn’t it transphobic for Castro to apologize for thinking that transwomen need taxpayer-funded abortions. It’s a stereotype that transwomen don’t need an abortion. Everyone needs an abortion!

Which sacred Intersectional group will be most lauded tonight?

Maybe World War F — Felons — will be tonight’s heroes?

Or maybe World War R — Reparations — will get the big push tonight?

Sound like World War M — Migrants — is out in the lead.

 
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  1. Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Alden
    Then we blue eyed devils will get reparations too.
    , @Charon

    You descendants will be brown
     
    I'm not brown, even though I am indeed a descendant. If, however, you mean my descendants, I've already warned them about staying out in the sun too much.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You descendants will be brown
     
    Your descendants will be paté.


    https://canardsdulacbrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/canards-du-lac-brome-recette-pate-de-canard-aux-fruits-secs-et-au-cognac-R-768x549.jpg
    , @Anonymous
    Your descendants will be non-existent because your fascination with the sexual prowess of dusky men is surely telling.
    , @Jack D
    Perfect, then my brown descendants can pay reparations to themselves.
    , @istevefan
    Andrew Robinson was cast as the villain in the 1971 film, Dirty Harry.

    His portrayal was so convincing that he received death threats after the film's release
     
    TD you're running the risk of being too convincing.
    , @Anthony Wayne
    In that case can I wait until my descendants are born and then claim immunity?
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys.....


    You want to play Monkee onna .....err Lenderp means ....Tinys on da Stick ....laterz....


    Lenderp "I be Tinys Playground equipment" Pitdz
  2. Trans shout outs is a Hugo Chavez move. They say something ludicrous which ties up the opposition, in this case the conservatives, eating up the nonsense of the statement. But, trans are the ultimate weak group, and criticizing them is *always* punching down. They’re the enemy that no one wants because you are defined by your enemies.

    And Castro’s use of trans has worked for him. It has drawn him support from the extreme culture warriors on the left, but also the notoriety he has gotten from the right as they eat up his nonsense statement has increased his profile. Do you remember anything that Tim Ryan said? No, NRO, DailyCaller, etc have written stories about Castro, and as Trump knows, any publicity is good publicity.

  3. Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It’s the coalition of the fringes after all.

    • Replies: @lhtness
    Racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions is who we are.
    , @Ray Huffman
    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It’s the coalition of the fringes after all.

    The jokes practically write themselves. The fact that SNL has not plucked such low-hanging fruit is proof that the media is further to the left than TASS.
    , @Haruto Rat

    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions?
     
    I sort of support taxpayer-funded late-term abortions in cases where the fetus commits a serious felony after its 87th trimester.

    (87=3+21*4)
  4. CCZ says:

    Cory Booker missed his opportunity to object to hair care discrimination, perhaps another candidate will run with this pressing civil rights issue and reset our moral compass and return America to the “right side of history.”

    “Discrimination based on the style or texture of a person’s hair would be forbidden in New Jersey under a bill introduced in the state Legislature.”

    “The measure (S3945) would revise the state’s Law Against Discrimination, which protects people from discrimination on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, race or other categories, to also include “traits historically associated with race, including, but not limited to, hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles,” like twists or braids.”

    • Replies: @Hidden Cat
    California as well. I gather NY state on track as well. LATimes:

    California set to be first state to protect black people from natural hair discrimination
    http://va.topbuzz.com/s/MejUZw
  5. Cuban anchor: Buenas noches, Mr. Buttigieg. (Buttigieg replies in Spanish.)

    “[My boyfriend] and I have six-figure student debt.” — Buttigieg.

    (Rejoinder:)

    “I’ve got a hundred thousand dollars of student loan debt!” — Swallwell.

    • Replies: @Alden
    That would be so cool. A US president and first president still paying off student loans.
  6. Titania McGrath couldn’t have crafted a better response than Julian’s.

  7. Cuban moderator: $1,00 a month? But give it back with a Value Added Tax?

    Yang: You’d still be increasing the buying power of the bottom 94%.

    • Replies: @Curious
    Honestly, Yang is too clever and too polite for that debate stage where shouting over other people has a premium. I like his candidacy, he is brainy and different with good foreign policy instincts, but ultimately the most venal win in these TV show formats. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the sham process called 'representative' democracy.
  8. For a while the men to women weirdos wanted kotex and tampax machines in men’s bathrooms. There was a big fuss on a nearby college campus about men menstruating. But that was so 3 years ago. I assume this is about signs on oby gyny offices

    ” We proudly preform abortions, fertility treatment, installation of artificial wombs and artificially created fertile eggs, artificial ovaries and fallopian tubes, pre natal, childbirth and post natal care, tubal ligation, birth control and a full range of oby gyny services to any and all who desire them free of charge in a caring, nurturing and supportive environment”

    I get confused. i’d like to see universally adopted terms for the weirdos. How about MTW men to women?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Remember: The Vagina Monologues is now considered problematic because not all women have vaginas.
    , @Pericles

    For a while the men to women weirdos wanted kotex and tampax machines in men’s bathrooms. There was a big fuss on a nearby college campus about men menstruating.

     

    Lol, did that little pious tantrum ever backfire.
  9. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    Then we blue eyed devils will get reparations too.

  10. Moderator: Show of hands, please. Who would abolish private health care, in favor a government-run plan?

    [Raise hand]
    Bernie
    Kamala Harris

    [Do not raise hand]
    The eight others (Marianne Williamson, John Hickenlooper, Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Kirsten Gillibrand, Michael Bennet, Eric Swallwell)

  11. It’s really clown world.

    • Replies: @peterike
    “It’s really clown world.”

    That’s not strong enough anymore. Retard world? Lunatic world? Or just Anti-white world.
    , @anonymous

    It’s really clown world.
     
    Sure.

    But why so serious?

    https://i.imgur.com/AK82gva.jpg
  12. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    You descendants will be brown

    I’m not brown, even though I am indeed a descendant. If, however, you mean my descendants, I’ve already warned them about staying out in the sun too much.

  13. @Alden
    For a while the men to women weirdos wanted kotex and tampax machines in men's bathrooms. There was a big fuss on a nearby college campus about men menstruating. But that was so 3 years ago. I assume this is about signs on oby gyny offices

    " We proudly preform abortions, fertility treatment, installation of artificial wombs and artificially created fertile eggs, artificial ovaries and fallopian tubes, pre natal, childbirth and post natal care, tubal ligation, birth control and a full range of oby gyny services to any and all who desire them free of charge in a caring, nurturing and supportive environment"

    I get confused. i'd like to see universally adopted terms for the weirdos. How about MTW men to women?

    Remember: The Vagina Monologues is now considered problematic because not all women have vaginas.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Right. What a country
  14. World War I (Illegals)

  15. Hail says: • Website

    Moderator (S. Guthrie): Show of hands, please. Would your health plan provide coverage for undocumented immigrants?

    [All candidates raise their hands. In roughly this order:]

    – Marianne Williamson (fastest to raise hand)
    – Kamala Harris
    – Bernie
    – Gillibrand
    – Buttigieg
    – Hickenlooper
    – Andrew Yang
    – Biden (slowest to raise hand)

    (Michael Bennet and Eric Swallwell also raised hands, but cannot tell in what order due to camera angle.)

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    One in this group will probably be the nominee. If the GOP doesn't put this into a campaign commercial, they're not just not doing their job, it'll be utter incompetence.

    "Sorry about the wait for your hip surgery, Mrs. Smith, but there are several wet#%#s in line in front of you, so you'll just have to tough it out until we can get around to you. Maybe as soon as next month. See you then."

  16. Poor people should absolutely be given free abortions. This is a stupid thing to criticize the left for. I doubt Castro said anything smarter all night (although I didn’t watch the debates).

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  17. OT:

    A great American died today.
    Blessed are the peacemakers.
    You fought the good fight and finished the race.
    May the resplendent multitude of the angels meet you Justin.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    He will be missed. He fought the good fight.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Anon[388] wrote:

    A great American died today [Justin Raimondo].
     
    I knew Justin when I was a grad student at Stanford back around 1980 and he was a local political activist.

    A wild and crazy guy. Committed above all to peace and to individual liberty.

    I liked him.

    RIP, Justin.

    Everyone, check out his Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement: it tells a lot about how Conservatism Inc. destroyed the Old Right and helped the liberals wreck the country.

    , @Father O'Hara
    "There is no afterlife." -Sean Carrol
  18. “[Illegals] increase the lifespan of social security. That’s what they’re doin’!” — Biden

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
    “[Illegals] increase the lifespan of social security. That’s what they’re doin’!”

    No. These people are net tax consumers. They do not increase the lifespan of Social Security, they decrease it. This lying sack of excrement is probably using creative accounting to get this stat by looking only at the amount they pay into SS and Medicare vs. only the amount they take out of same. Budgetary dollars are fungible, though and they take out billions more from WIC, TANF, SNAP and other giveaways which is far more than they pay in taxes into the general fund which fund them.

    You know who does increase the lifespan of Social Security, though? Smokers. They pay into Social Security and medicare all their lives and then drop dead at an average age of 63, just before they can collect any of it. On balance, this far outweighs any costs incurred by their healthcare because they die relatively quickly of terminal illnesses and are thus relatively cheap to take care of, unlike the lardass-related diseases of non-smokers, which are chronic and cost much more to treat.

    Pro-illegal immigrant, anti-smoking liberals are responsible for the demise of Social Security.
  19. People may think that the endless pie-in-the-sky promises and pandering from the Dems is irresponsible and unrealistic. But I’ve discovered their secret weapon: an asteroid of gold which will make everyone rich beyond their wildest dreams!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9378480/giant-golden-asteroid-psyche-61-billionaire-nasa-2022/

    And before you point out that a flood of precious metal (or any valuable resource) wouldn’t actually work out that way, let me remind you that we’re talking about Democrats. Democrats running for office.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    The Dems already have their asteroid of gold right here on Earth. Farsighted globalists and other investors support an unlimited National Debt for the United States as long as we keep our borders open. Money is fungible and plenty of it goes to support illegals.

    There is room for at least a billion people here in what is now known as the USA. As long as we keep providing free education, free health care and welfare and take jobs away from our own children to give to illegals (the ones who want to work) they’re willing to pour money in. Their investment will pay off in the long run.

  20. “We have to completely reform ICE in a completely humanitarian way…addressing the needs of the people along the border. We have to provide food, clothing, and access to medical care! [weak, scattered applause]” — Hickenlooper

  21. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    You descendants will be brown

    Your descendants will be paté.

  22. Cuban moderator: Show of hands. Who thinks it should be a civil offense, rather than a crime, to cross the border without documentation?

    (Eight raise their hands.) (Most enthusiastic hand-raising: Gillibrand.)

    (Two do not raise hands: Biden and Michael Bennett.)

    • Replies: @Lot
    Illegal entry is almost never prosecuted, though illegal reentry after deportation is, and can result in years in federal prison.

    The threat of prosecution for illegal entry, however, is the key tool we use to get mass numbers of illegals to return without the expensive formal deportation. So “We can drop you off in Mexico today, or prosecute and imprison you for a year, after which we’ll deport you. Which way Jose?”

    Making this a “civil offense” is amnesty. Can someone just not pay? Or pay $100 every few years when caught?
  23. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    Your descendants will be non-existent because your fascination with the sexual prowess of dusky men is surely telling.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    I think Tiny IS black. Like T'ahiti Coates,he's a scared brother who ducks and dodges the thugs..
    Is a pussy.and gay.
  24. @TWS
    It's really clown world.

    “It’s really clown world.”

    That’s not strong enough anymore. Retard world? Lunatic world? Or just Anti-white world.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Piss Earth.
  25. These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too. This is lunacy. We’d be basically inviting every single Central American peasant to come. There’s no way our health care system-somehow simultaneously grossly inept and expensive, as things already stand-is going to be able to cope with that. Our schools will be overwhelmed. So will our police forces. And the American taxpayer?

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It’s that simple.

    The Donald is truly blessed in his enemies. This reminds me exactly of the mental fantasy land the GOP occupied during the Obama years, and it’ll likely lead to a similar result in reverse. The Democrats will control Congress, but it’ll be four more years of orange.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It’s that simple.
     
    You know Milton Friedman said this, right?
    , @Pericles

    These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too.

     

    Wow, that's very generous. So, hypothetically speaking, would I get free health care on a tourist visa too?
  26. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    Perfect, then my brown descendants can pay reparations to themselves.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  27. So far the platform boils down to:

    -Open Borders
    -Healthcare for the entire world that makes across the open borders

  28. @Anon
    OT:

    A great American died today.
    Blessed are the peacemakers.
    You fought the good fight and finished the race.
    May the resplendent multitude of the angels meet you Justin.

    https://twitter.com/Antiwarcom/status/1144362104733888512?s=20

    He will be missed. He fought the good fight.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    He most certainly will be missed. I discovered his writings during the Kosovo war, and I’ve been following him ever since. He’s done a lot to shape my own views on foreign policy. Interesting fact: he once challenged Nancy Pelosi for her seat and lost. At that time, he very well may have been the first openly gay Republican to run for Congress.
  29. Lot says:
    @Hail
    Cuban moderator: Show of hands. Who thinks it should be a civil offense, rather than a crime, to cross the border without documentation?

    (Eight raise their hands.) (Most enthusiastic hand-raising: Gillibrand.)

    (Two do not raise hands: Biden and Michael Bennett.)

    Illegal entry is almost never prosecuted, though illegal reentry after deportation is, and can result in years in federal prison.

    The threat of prosecution for illegal entry, however, is the key tool we use to get mass numbers of illegals to return without the expensive formal deportation. So “We can drop you off in Mexico today, or prosecute and imprison you for a year, after which we’ll deport you. Which way Jose?”

    Making this a “civil offense” is amnesty. Can someone just not pay? Or pay $100 every few years when caught?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    8 USC 1325 was being prosecuted regularly during the beginning of Trump's term. This made them amenable to a 1326 prosecution next time. This was partly responsible for the trickle that occured after the election. 1326 also carried a stiff and progressive bar to re-entry (5/20/never again).

    Of course, now we don't and here we are.

  30. Hail says: • Website

    Cuban moderator: The Obama-Biden administration deported more than three million Americans! If an individual is living here without documents, should that person be deported?

    Biden: If they’re committed a major crime, they should be deported!

    _________

    Cuban moderator: Mr. Swallwell, should an individual w/o documents be deported?

    Swallwell: No! That person can be a part of this great American experience. My district is one of the most diverse in America.

    _________

    Harris: Absolutely not. They should not be deported. I always disagreed [awkwardly gestures and looks towards Biden] with the Obama administration on this. I disagreed with [Obama] because his policy allowed for [too much] deportation. I issued a directive to the sheriffs of California that they did not need to comply!

  31. Bummed that Yang isn’t getting more air time, but it’s early days still.

  32. Hail says: • Website

    Moderator: How would you stand up to China?

    Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he’s just done it the wrong way. — I’d like to add here, as well, that when I see these kids at the border, I see my mom…she was separated from her parents, for years, during the Holocaust in Poland. …The president has turned the border into a symbol of nativist hostility! We should be represented by the Statue of Liberty [audience cheers], which is what brought my parents to this country to begin with!

    ___________

    Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China?

    Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they’ve been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats.

    (@ Anatoly Karlin!)

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    I'll comment on the debates tomorrow. But will note I pointed out that Yang has a default Dem position on Russia coupled with marked Sinophilia from the very beginning, if you recall.

    Thing is, not sure it's all that relevant. On the off chance he actually takes off - which I now don't think he will, as he doesn't have the balls to challenge the moderators - there is a good chance he'll have his own Chinagate (something I also pointed out months ago). Hostility to China is now a bipartisan position in the US.
    , @Hail
    Hunter Wallace writes, minutes ago:

    The story of the night is that #YangGang is cancelled.

    Just three days ago, I dropped out of the #YangGang because Andrew Yang’s position on immigration is just too liberal. Yang did tremendous and irreparable damage to his populist support tonight by 1.) coming out in favor of free healthcare for illegal aliens and 2.) even worse supporting Julian Castro’s ridiculous gambit to decriminalize illegal immigration. He was only asked two questions in the debate and used his second answer to say that he considers Russia our “greatest geopolitical threat” because “they hacked our democracy.” He pretty much disappeared on the stage tonight after using his first answer to introduce the Freedom Dividend. It was all downhill from there.

    I’m not sure what the hell he was thinking.

    It is highly likely that Yang’s populist support will now either shift to Tulsi Gabbard after this debate or simply go back to supporting no one or a third party candidate in the 2020 election. The people who are angry and disillusioned with Trump aren’t going back to him after this debate.
     

  33. The last two nights have been SNL skits, guys. It can’t be real…..it just CAN’T!

    Where is candidate Land Shark? Up next?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @istevefan
    The most frightful thing about these candidates is that any one of them has a 50-50 shot or better at winning the election! In fact I'd say it's the democrats' election to lose.

    No matter which one of these clowns is nominated, heck even if Tiny Duck were nominated, we know right now, 27Jun19, that their nominee will easily win CA (55), IL (20), MA (11), NY (29) and NJ (14). That's 129 of the 270 electoral votes (47%) needed for a win.

    Of course there are several other states that one could bank on a democrat victory. I just listed the major ones. But the point is we already know the democrat has 47% of the necessary vote total, and we are about 16 months away from the election.

    And the democrat will not even have to spend one dime on advertising to win those states. In fact the only reason they will visit those states is to raise money to barnstorm the Great Lakes.

    Had any of these clowns run during Reagan's days, or if we still had 1984's demographics, you might witness one of those monster elections where the GOP wins 49 states. But no, the GOP could run Washington, or even Lincoln and would still be facing an uphill battle because of demographics.

    So in a way we can thank our new, post-1965 citizens for f*cking up our democracy. FFS they are not even the majority yet and look at what passes for presidential candidates from the party that represents them. Just wait until they are the majority. I'm sure we will get some real doozies then.
  34. Ah, out comes the reparations talk and shaming Biden. Glad I made popcorn.😁

  35. Apparently, O.J. is trying to become a political analyst:

    • Replies: @Truth
    Hey OJ looks pretty damn good for being 71! All those years of pretending to be in prison have been kind to him.
  36. Hail says: • Website

    “Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with a neighbor who told us her parents couldn’t [let her] play with us because we were Black.” — Kamala Harris

    “Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist. But it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two Senators who built their careers on segregation of race in this country. You worked with them to oppose busing. There was once a little girl who was part of the second class to integrate her public school. She was bused to school every day. That little girl, [voice weakening, cracking] was me. [Blinks and glares at Biden]. So on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate.” — Kamala Harris

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    HARRIS: "So on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate."

    Aaaaaand... in her own mind, how many other things "cannot be an intellectual debate," rather than a personal emotive grudge match?

    In other words, by demonstrating that she is incapable of rational impartial judgment whenever a topic arises which concerns her feelz... she has effectively disqualified herself from the presidency.

    Good to know.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    "Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist..."
     
    Apophasis, thy name is Kamala.
  37. @trelane
    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It's the coalition of the fringes after all.

    Racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions is who we are.

  38. Thank you, Charlotte! Last night I misspoke – it’s trans men, trans masculine, and non-binary folks who need full access to abortion and repro healthcare. And I’m grateful to ALL trans and non-binary folks for their labor in guiding me on this issue.

    I guess–the not very bright–Julian Castro got a bit tangled up with the trans thing.

    Seems like we should just have a noun to describe the half of our species that can get pregnant? Then you could just use that word and cover everyone?

    It’s really odd that over the eons we wouldn’t have already come up with a simple word for those people–it’s a pretty important grouping. But we could fix it now!

    • Replies: @Alden
    So now the men to women who’ve had their testicles removed and taken female hormones for years demand fertility treatments so they can get pregnant and have abortions?

    Is that the Democrat platform?

    I can just hear the People’s Republicans of China screaming with laughter. Relax China. No need to work so hard. In a few years you can conquer America without a shot.

    But do you want America?
    , @JSM
    You're confused fellas.

    The critters wanting abortions who also tell you they are men, are women who tell you they are men, have uteruses already, have not had those organs surgically removed.

    I'm an old La Leche League Leader. LLL was started in the 50s by a group of 7 Catholic women who wanted to rediscover the old art of breastfeeding cuz bottle feeding had nearly caused that wisdom to be lost.
    But now, PC having infected EVERYTHING, Leaders are being told to refer to breastfeeding as "chest-feeding" in order to be "inclusive" of women who've birthed babies, while insisting they're men, but don't like the milk-making appendages on their fronts and want to pretend they don't have them.
  39. @Hail
    Moderator: How would you stand up to China?

    Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he's just done it the wrong way. -- I'd like to add here, as well, that when I see these kids at the border, I see my mom...she was separated from her parents, for years, during the Holocaust in Poland. ...The president has turned the border into a symbol of nativist hostility! We should be represented by the Statue of Liberty [audience cheers], which is what brought my parents to this country to begin with!

    ___________

    Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China?

    Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they've been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats.

    (@ Anatoly Karlin!)

    I’ll comment on the debates tomorrow. But will note I pointed out that Yang has a default Dem position on Russia coupled with marked Sinophilia from the very beginning, if you recall.

    Thing is, not sure it’s all that relevant. On the off chance he actually takes off – which I now don’t think he will, as he doesn’t have the balls to challenge the moderators – there is a good chance he’ll have his own Chinagate (something I also pointed out months ago). Hostility to China is now a bipartisan position in the US.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    True because the auto industry faces extinction from China dumping electric cars. They already have the battery monopoly.

    US automakers left Asia, Africa, Latin America, Australia and have scaled radically back in Europe.

    Hollywood makes little money off China, Facebook etc face a state backed competitor. The aerospace industry has most of their tech stolen.
  40. Hail says: • Website

    (Q.) Moderator: If you can only get one issue through, what would it be?

    Swallwell: Ending gun violence.

    Bennett: Climate change, and the lack of economic mobility.

    Gillibrand: “Family Bill of Rights,” paid-leave plan, universal pre-K, daycare.

    Kamala Harris: Tax cut for middle/working class. DACA. Guns.

    Bernie: “We need a political revolution against the special interests!”

    Biden: Defeat Trump.

    Buttigieg: “Fix our democracy, before it’s too late.”

    Yang: $1,000 Freedom Dividend for every American adult, starting at age 18.

    Hickenlooper: Climate change.

    Williamson: I admire the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Bennett, Gillibrand and Kamala Harris when asked to name one thing named two or three things, while Williamson lost track of the question. So they appear to be the dumbest of this crowd.
  41. @Anatoly Karlin
    I'll comment on the debates tomorrow. But will note I pointed out that Yang has a default Dem position on Russia coupled with marked Sinophilia from the very beginning, if you recall.

    Thing is, not sure it's all that relevant. On the off chance he actually takes off - which I now don't think he will, as he doesn't have the balls to challenge the moderators - there is a good chance he'll have his own Chinagate (something I also pointed out months ago). Hostility to China is now a bipartisan position in the US.

    True because the auto industry faces extinction from China dumping electric cars. They already have the battery monopoly.

    US automakers left Asia, Africa, Latin America, Australia and have scaled radically back in Europe.

    Hollywood makes little money off China, Facebook etc face a state backed competitor. The aerospace industry has most of their tech stolen.

  42. @Hail
    "Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with a neighbor who told us her parents couldn't [let her] play with us because we were Black." -- Kamala Harris

    "Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist. But it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two Senators who built their careers on segregation of race in this country. You worked with them to oppose busing. There was once a little girl who was part of the second class to integrate her public school. She was bused to school every day. That little girl, [voice weakening, cracking] was me. [Blinks and glares at Biden]. So on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate." -- Kamala Harris

    HARRIS: “So on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate.”

    Aaaaaand… in her own mind, how many other things “cannot be an intellectual debate,” rather than a personal emotive grudge match?

    In other words, by demonstrating that she is incapable of rational impartial judgment whenever a topic arises which concerns her feelz… she has effectively disqualified herself from the presidency.

    Good to know.

  43. @Charon
    People may think that the endless pie-in-the-sky promises and pandering from the Dems is irresponsible and unrealistic. But I've discovered their secret weapon: an asteroid of gold which will make everyone rich beyond their wildest dreams!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9378480/giant-golden-asteroid-psyche-61-billionaire-nasa-2022/

    And before you point out that a flood of precious metal (or any valuable resource) wouldn't actually work out that way, let me remind you that we're talking about Democrats. Democrats running for office.

    The Dems already have their asteroid of gold right here on Earth. Farsighted globalists and other investors support an unlimited National Debt for the United States as long as we keep our borders open. Money is fungible and plenty of it goes to support illegals.

    There is room for at least a billion people here in what is now known as the USA. As long as we keep providing free education, free health care and welfare and take jobs away from our own children to give to illegals (the ones who want to work) they’re willing to pour money in. Their investment will pay off in the long run.

  44. Hail says: • Website

    Moderator: What is the first relationship you would like to ‘reset’ as president?

    Williamson: Europe. I understand how important it is that we are part of the Western alliance.

    Hickenlooper: China. Gotta have relationships with everyone.

    Yang: China. We need to cooperate with them on climate change, AI, and other issues like North Korea.

    Buttigieg: The entire world!

    Biden: NATO. It will fall apart under a Trump second term. The single most consequential alliance in US history.

    Sanders: Rebuild trust in the United Nations.

    Harris: All the members of the NATO alliance.

    Gillibrand: Engage Iran and stabilize the Middle East. Make sure we do not start an unwanted, never-ending war [with Iran]!

    Bennett: Our European allies, and every Latin American country that is willing to have a conversation about how to deal with the refugees.

    Swalwell: Breaking up with Russia and making up with NATO.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    – Swalwell: Breaking up with Russia and making up with NATO.
     
    So we need to breakup with Russia with whom we have imposed economic sanctions? Sounds like the guy was fed a rhyme and decided to fit it into the conservation whether it was right or not.
  45. anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @TWS
    It's really clown world.

    It’s really clown world.

    Sure.

    But why so serious?

  46. @Hunsdon
    He will be missed. He fought the good fight.

    He most certainly will be missed. I discovered his writings during the Kosovo war, and I’ve been following him ever since. He’s done a lot to shape my own views on foreign policy. Interesting fact: he once challenged Nancy Pelosi for her seat and lost. At that time, he very well may have been the first openly gay Republican to run for Congress.

    • Agree: Hunsdon
  47. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden and Bernie did not do very well, while Kamala, Buttigieg, and to a lesser extent Gillibrand and Swallwell, seemed to best. And by doing well here I don’t mean making the best arguments and coherent points, but being aggressive and hogging airtime to make canned talking points, which seems to be the entire point of the “debates” and how you “win”. I think it was an age thing. Biden and Bernie lacked the energy and quickness relative to Kamala and the others to aggressively dominate.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Judging from the examples above, Kamala Harris appears to always be on the brink of blurting out some gaffe. Which could be amusing when the pressure goes up.
  48. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail
    Moderator: How would you stand up to China?

    Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he's just done it the wrong way. -- I'd like to add here, as well, that when I see these kids at the border, I see my mom...she was separated from her parents, for years, during the Holocaust in Poland. ...The president has turned the border into a symbol of nativist hostility! We should be represented by the Statue of Liberty [audience cheers], which is what brought my parents to this country to begin with!

    ___________

    Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China?

    Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they've been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats.

    (@ Anatoly Karlin!)

    Hunter Wallace writes, minutes ago:

    The story of the night is that #YangGang is cancelled.

    Just three days ago, I dropped out of the #YangGang because Andrew Yang’s position on immigration is just too liberal. Yang did tremendous and irreparable damage to his populist support tonight by 1.) coming out in favor of free healthcare for illegal aliens and 2.) even worse supporting Julian Castro’s ridiculous gambit to decriminalize illegal immigration. He was only asked two questions in the debate and used his second answer to say that he considers Russia our “greatest geopolitical threat” because “they hacked our democracy.” He pretty much disappeared on the stage tonight after using his first answer to introduce the Freedom Dividend. It was all downhill from there.

    I’m not sure what the hell he was thinking.

    It is highly likely that Yang’s populist support will now either shift to Tulsi Gabbard after this debate or simply go back to supporting no one or a third party candidate in the 2020 election. The people who are angry and disillusioned with Trump aren’t going back to him after this debate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yang's only chance was interrupting as much as possible to put the UBI meme out there. But he never interrupted and was barely called on.
  49. @Hail
    Cuban moderator: $1,00 a month? But give it back with a Value Added Tax?

    Yang: You'd still be increasing the buying power of the bottom 94%.

    Honestly, Yang is too clever and too polite for that debate stage where shouting over other people has a premium. I like his candidacy, he is brainy and different with good foreign policy instincts, but ultimately the most venal win in these TV show formats. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the sham process called ‘representative’ democracy.

  50. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    Andrew Robinson was cast as the villain in the 1971 film, Dirty Harry.

    His portrayal was so convincing that he received death threats after the film’s release

    TD you’re running the risk of being too convincing.

  51. @Hail
    Moderator: What is the first relationship you would like to 'reset' as president?

    - Williamson: Europe. I understand how important it is that we are part of the Western alliance.

    - Hickenlooper: China. Gotta have relationships with everyone.

    - Yang: China. We need to cooperate with them on climate change, AI, and other issues like North Korea.

    - Buttigieg: The entire world!

    - Biden: NATO. It will fall apart under a Trump second term. The single most consequential alliance in US history.

    - Sanders: Rebuild trust in the United Nations.

    - Harris: All the members of the NATO alliance.

    - Gillibrand: Engage Iran and stabilize the Middle East. Make sure we do not start an unwanted, never-ending war [with Iran]!

    - Bennett: Our European allies, and every Latin American country that is willing to have a conversation about how to deal with the refugees.

    - Swalwell: Breaking up with Russia and making up with NATO.

    – Swalwell: Breaking up with Russia and making up with NATO.

    So we need to breakup with Russia with whom we have imposed economic sanctions? Sounds like the guy was fed a rhyme and decided to fit it into the conservation whether it was right or not.

  52. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    Hunter Wallace writes, minutes ago:

    The story of the night is that #YangGang is cancelled.

    Just three days ago, I dropped out of the #YangGang because Andrew Yang’s position on immigration is just too liberal. Yang did tremendous and irreparable damage to his populist support tonight by 1.) coming out in favor of free healthcare for illegal aliens and 2.) even worse supporting Julian Castro’s ridiculous gambit to decriminalize illegal immigration. He was only asked two questions in the debate and used his second answer to say that he considers Russia our “greatest geopolitical threat” because “they hacked our democracy.” He pretty much disappeared on the stage tonight after using his first answer to introduce the Freedom Dividend. It was all downhill from there.

    I’m not sure what the hell he was thinking.

    It is highly likely that Yang’s populist support will now either shift to Tulsi Gabbard after this debate or simply go back to supporting no one or a third party candidate in the 2020 election. The people who are angry and disillusioned with Trump aren’t going back to him after this debate.
     

    Yang’s only chance was interrupting as much as possible to put the UBI meme out there. But he never interrupted and was barely called on.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  53. well, the Dem candidates are way too late. Silvio, Vladimir and a few others will rule with Trump for the next 1.6 years. There is no one, absolutely no one, in the Dem camp who has the chops, male or female, for the international arena of devils and dragons, despots, misogynists, psychopaths, creeps and…People forget that creating jobs is a an incredible skill – not many people are so gifted at this.

  54. @e
    The last two nights have been SNL skits, guys. It can't be real.....it just CAN'T!

    Where is candidate Land Shark? Up next?

    The most frightful thing about these candidates is that any one of them has a 50-50 shot or better at winning the election! In fact I’d say it’s the democrats’ election to lose.

    No matter which one of these clowns is nominated, heck even if Tiny Duck were nominated, we know right now, 27Jun19, that their nominee will easily win CA (55), IL (20), MA (11), NY (29) and NJ (14). That’s 129 of the 270 electoral votes (47%) needed for a win.

    Of course there are several other states that one could bank on a democrat victory. I just listed the major ones. But the point is we already know the democrat has 47% of the necessary vote total, and we are about 16 months away from the election.

    And the democrat will not even have to spend one dime on advertising to win those states. In fact the only reason they will visit those states is to raise money to barnstorm the Great Lakes.

    Had any of these clowns run during Reagan’s days, or if we still had 1984’s demographics, you might witness one of those monster elections where the GOP wins 49 states. But no, the GOP could run Washington, or even Lincoln and would still be facing an uphill battle because of demographics.

    So in a way we can thank our new, post-1965 citizens for f*cking up our democracy. FFS they are not even the majority yet and look at what passes for presidential candidates from the party that represents them. Just wait until they are the majority. I’m sure we will get some real doozies then.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    the problem for the Dems is: NJ, CT, NY, MD, MA,VA, DE, CA may go for Trump (not historical/usual Republicans, which is the thing; but also, fiscal Democrats who do not have the 5 million dollars they need to have to secure retirement (85+ in age with good healthy - in the blue states).

    Many Boomers are retired and retiring - it is all about their financial feelings ;D. Soooo many of them tell me they are going for Trump because of their family, and that they want to leave money for their adult kids, or at least, pay for their funeral - the shame of not paying for their burial or tombstone is lost on most Americans who are not 1st or 2nd gen immigrants. Steve post on tombstones! Hahhahaaaa - I can help you with Montana!

  55. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s my take on what happened according to various sources:

    1. Biden looked old. He finished the debate but not as the clear winner or in dramatic fashion, so there may be questions about his candidacy going forward. Kamala Harris dinged him on the segregation association, so I expect him to be dead in the water now absent Obama’s personal endorsement. Name searches for him were tied with or lower than three other candidates on that stage.

    2. The democrats seem on track to nominate an extremist hell-bent on winning through appeals to identity politics: All the candidates on stage favor free healthcare for illegals; Harris and Sanders falsely claimed illegal immigration isn’t an issue, despite record numbers of border detentions; the party is committed to claiming Russia is the country’s greatest geostrategic threat, despite the obvious absurdity of that claim in the wake of Chinese competition; massive fiscal irresponsibility of granting all illegals free healthcare, which is sure to act as a magnet for the world’s poor. The candidate with the highest name search was Marianne Williamson, followed by Kamala Harris. Both candidates are nuts; one is a sociopath.

    3. Yang is finished. After the first question he endorsed radical policies on immigration and then disappeared, blowing his one shot. Perhaps he thought he could suck up to the racists in the democrat party by going full pozz, but that didn’t work as he finished near the bottom in name searches; he was less than 1/3 of Williamson. His best bet was to be a moderate and let the rest of the extremists cannibalize each other, leaving him the lone man standing at the end of the primary season.

    His UBI is also now a total failure as the democrats have made it clear by their other endorsed policies that they would soon expand it to cover ALL people, including illegal immigrants (just as I predicted). That is unaffordable, so we’ll either get it and then crash the economy as a result or never get it at all after a contentious fight (probably the latter).

    4. My take: All of these candidates outside of Tulsi Gabbard and (holding nose) Joe Biden will be unacceptable to republicans if elected; most of the rest have little shot of winning outside of Biden, Harris, and maybe Sanders as a long shot … but if a guy like Castro did win …

    I also think there is a real threat now of either the Russians or the Chinese “interfering” in American politics if they sense an opening, so we may not be done with this election controversy stuff, and this year and next may be ripe for it. That could be what the deepstate was worried about when they publicly leaked the story of the government hacking the Russian power grid. However, the election may be so contentious that, if I were the Russians, I might seriously consider giving it a shot anyway because the potential benefit is just so enticing.

    “Hunter Wallace writes, minutes ago”

    Nice take, but you missed the closing line: “I’m officially going with Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020 now!” Don’t know if he was joking or not, but it’s a nice recap of the sentiment produced by these debates. Historically, prevailing orders fall when they are confronted with a crisis they cannot acceptably address. Post 2016 may be that crisis; the GOP chose to continue looting the treasury with tax cuts when Trump came into power rather than address urgent issues of immigration, working class wages/jobs and outsourcing, and demographic change – instead picking fights all around the world and actively blocking efforts to fix these issues.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Nice take, but you missed the closing line: “I’m officially going with Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020 now!” Don’t know if he was joking or not, but it’s a nice recap of the sentiment produced by these debates
     
    What is "Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020"? I can't figure out if this refers to a human-being candidate named Tracey and/or (with the implausible name of) Walls.

    Anyone know?
  56. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    In that case can I wait until my descendants are born and then claim immunity?

  57. all these candidates were way too boring to even bother to watch. And, I am so over gays, trans, what the f ever. I hate crazy people. All dems have gone crazy – they deserve to be destroyed.

    So glad summer just started! Summer is such joy. I will now cease to think about boring Democrat presidential candidates. By November, we will all know which some dumb-ass democrat will be chosen as their rep for the Pres. Happy summer, boys and girls!

  58. @istevefan
    The most frightful thing about these candidates is that any one of them has a 50-50 shot or better at winning the election! In fact I'd say it's the democrats' election to lose.

    No matter which one of these clowns is nominated, heck even if Tiny Duck were nominated, we know right now, 27Jun19, that their nominee will easily win CA (55), IL (20), MA (11), NY (29) and NJ (14). That's 129 of the 270 electoral votes (47%) needed for a win.

    Of course there are several other states that one could bank on a democrat victory. I just listed the major ones. But the point is we already know the democrat has 47% of the necessary vote total, and we are about 16 months away from the election.

    And the democrat will not even have to spend one dime on advertising to win those states. In fact the only reason they will visit those states is to raise money to barnstorm the Great Lakes.

    Had any of these clowns run during Reagan's days, or if we still had 1984's demographics, you might witness one of those monster elections where the GOP wins 49 states. But no, the GOP could run Washington, or even Lincoln and would still be facing an uphill battle because of demographics.

    So in a way we can thank our new, post-1965 citizens for f*cking up our democracy. FFS they are not even the majority yet and look at what passes for presidential candidates from the party that represents them. Just wait until they are the majority. I'm sure we will get some real doozies then.

    the problem for the Dems is: NJ, CT, NY, MD, MA,VA, DE, CA may go for Trump (not historical/usual Republicans, which is the thing; but also, fiscal Democrats who do not have the 5 million dollars they need to have to secure retirement (85+ in age with good healthy – in the blue states).

    Many Boomers are retired and retiring – it is all about their financial feelings ;D. Soooo many of them tell me they are going for Trump because of their family, and that they want to leave money for their adult kids, or at least, pay for their funeral – the shame of not paying for their burial or tombstone is lost on most Americans who are not 1st or 2nd gen immigrants. Steve post on tombstones! Hahhahaaaa – I can help you with Montana!

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Virginia is the only one of those states that might possibly go to Trump. All states are gradually going to purple then to blue. I think he can eke out one last win in Texas for the Republicans, but with his 2016 voters demoralized, he will have trouble holding Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio.
    I’m sorry, but Trump winning any of those other states is science fiction. Here in California the general election races for statewide and US Senate offices are mostly two Democrats running against each other.
  59. The Air Force is investigating an airman after he posted a video on YouTube rife with homophobic slurs and insults.

    26 Jun 2019

    Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk

    A man in an Air Force uniform, identified only by the YouTube username “Baptist Dave 1611” ranted in a recent video, calling gay people “sodomites,” “vermin scum,” and “roaches” among other slurs, according to Air Force Times, which first reported the story Wednesday.

    “When you get these perverts on their own, they flee like cockroaches, like the roaches they are, the vermin scum, the pedophiles that they are,” the airman said in the video, as reported by Air Force Times.

    In the video, “Baptist Dave” also said he was influenced by Grayson Fritts, the Tennessee Knox County Sheriff’s Office detective who recently advocated for the arrest and execution of LGBTQ people. Fritts is also a pastor of All Scripture Baptist Church in Knoxville. During a sermon on June 2, Fritts said LGBTQ individuals “are worthy of death.” The video, originally released by the church, went viral on social media.

    “The Air Force considers diversity to be one of our greatest assets,” Mercurio said in a statement to Military.com. “Therefore, airmen are expected to treat one another with dignity and respect. We do not tolerate behavior that is contrary to those values.”

    🙂

    • Replies: @Alden
    Sodomy is such a dainty delicate and elegant expression of love.
  60. Yang has the right idea, but it’s not nearly bold enough. America is the richest country in the world with vast resources at our disposal. There is simply no reason on Earth for anyone in America to have to live in poverty.

    A monthly stipend of $1000 is great, but it’s not enough to life people out of poverty, or even to effect meaningful change in a person’s life. Instead of a universal basic income (UBI), we need universal basic wealth (UBW). We can eliminate poverty in one fell swoop by simply picking a wealth level well above the poverty line, then granting all Americans a dividend that nets them up to that wealth level.

    For example, I believe every American should be a millionaire. So if you’re broke the US government will make a one-time transfer of $1M to your account, free of taxes. If you’re net worth is $500k, then you get a $500k transfer. If you’re already a millionaire, congratulations! Voila! No more poverty!

    I know some people will say that we can’t afford to do this, but to those people I would say that we can’t afford *not* to do this. Yes, it may cost a few trillion dollars, but can you really put a price on human dignity?

  61. MADDOW: Because of this large field of candidates not every person will be able to comment on everything but the less audience reaction there is the more time they will all get.

    Over the course of the next hour we will hear from all of these candidates. We are going to begin this hour with Mayor Buttigieg. In the last five years civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race and the criminal justice system. Your community of South Bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer involved shooting. The police force in South Bend is now 6 percent black in a city that is 26 percent black. Why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor?

    BUTTIGIEG: Because I couldn’t get it done. My community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting. A black man Eric Logan killed by a white officer. And I’m not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer says he was attacked with a knife, but he didn’t have his body camera on. It’s a mess. And we’re hurting. And I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community–all of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation but it didn’t save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mother’s eyes I have to face the fact and nothing that I say will bring him back. This is an issue that is facing our community and so many communities around the country. And until we move policing out from the shadow of systemic racism whatever this particular incident teaches us we will be left with the bigger problem of the fact that there is a wall of mistrust put up one racist act at a time. Not just from what has happened in the past but what’s happening around the country in the present. It threatens the well being of every community. And I am determined to bring about a day when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police officer approaching feels the exact same thing. A feeling not of fear but of safety. I’m determined to bring that day about.

    [MORE]

    MADDOW: Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

    HICKENLOOPER: Mayor Buttigieg, Mayor Buttigieg, if I could ask one question because I think–

    MADDOW: Governor, I’ll give you 30 seconds.

    HICKENLOOPER: I think that the question they are asking in South Bend I think across the country is why is it taking so long? We had a shooting when I first became mayor 10 years before Ferguson and the community came together and we created an office of the independent monitor–civilian oversight commission. We diversified the police force in two years. We actually did de-escalation training. I think the real question that America should be asking is why five years after Ferguson every city doesn’t have this level of police accountability?

    MADDOW: Governor Hickenlooper, thank you.

    HICKENLOOPER: We–

    BUTTIGIEG: I’ve got to respond to that. Look, we’ve taken so many steps toward police accountability that the FOP just denounced me for too much accountability. We’re obviously not there yet. And I accept responsibility for that–

    SWALWELL: (INAUDIBLE) you should fire the chief.

    BUTTIGIEG: So, under Indiana law this will be investigated. And there will be accountability for the officer involved.

    SWALWELL: But you’re the mayor. You should fire the chief if that’s the policy and someone died.

    WILLIAMSON: All of these issues are extremely important but there are specifics, there are symptoms. And the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice. Both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the democratic party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason.

    I do not believe–I do not believe that the average American is a racist. But the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.

    TODD: Vice President Biden, we’re going to get to you. Hang on. We’re going to get–

    • Replies: @Alden
    How can you guys stand to watch this *¥^**?
    I’m going to watch some Jane Austen movies. After I stop laughing. Words fail.
  62. @nebulafox
    These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too. This is lunacy. We'd be basically inviting every single Central American peasant to come. There's no way our health care system-somehow simultaneously grossly inept and expensive, as things already stand-is going to be able to cope with that. Our schools will be overwhelmed. So will our police forces. And the American taxpayer?

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It's that simple.

    The Donald is truly blessed in his enemies. This reminds me exactly of the mental fantasy land the GOP occupied during the Obama years, and it'll likely lead to a similar result in reverse. The Democrats will control Congress, but it'll be four more years of orange.

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It’s that simple.

    You know Milton Friedman said this, right?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    A broken clock is right twice a day.
  63. Democrats get religion — film at 11.

    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/CptBlackPill/status/1144462922636115973
  64. @Hail
    Cuban anchor: Buenas noches, Mr. Buttigieg. (Buttigieg replies in Spanish.)

    "[My boyfriend] and I have six-figure student debt." -- Buttigieg.

    (Rejoinder:)

    "I've got a hundred thousand dollars of student loan debt!" -- Swallwell.

    That would be so cool. A US president and first president still paying off student loans.

  65. @ScarletNumber
    Remember: The Vagina Monologues is now considered problematic because not all women have vaginas.

    Right. What a country

  66. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    “Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he’s just done it the wrong way.”

    AND

    “Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China? Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they’ve been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats.”

    Told ya. As soon as Trump is out of office, the oligarchs (those who hold the real power) will go back to outsourcing industry to China and looting the treasury for short-term profit. So, I don’t follow Karlin’s prediction that anti-China sentiment is now bipartisan, and even if it were, the oligarchs hold the power and they want to go back to making easy money, national security and unity be damned; that’s what a post-national proposition nation looks like: a dog-eat-dog society where everyone lives for themselves and the present. This empire is over. It’s done. It can’t even defend itself anymore: There’s a mass invasion going on while the ruling class is about to go back to business as usual, allowing the Chinese to dominate nearly all future industries because they are greedy and short-sighted (and racist against whites, which translates to unproductive anti-Russian hate).

    Also, Yang is done and just for the reason I suspected: No natural large racial constituency in an election where identity trumps policy, pardon the pun. That’s why he failed the debate, he was attempting to appeal to extremist demographic groups to make up for this fact. His UBI deal is also a non-starter because it will seem too good to be true to normies, regardless of what the polls may say. Social trust is so low now people will just assume he’s lying, even if they understand what he’s talking about. He would have been better off calling for a $15 minimum wage. Now, that is something tangible/believable, something with a precedent of being changed over time; it’s also easy to understand, unlike Yang’s explanation of UBI tonight.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    V. S. Naipaul's _A Bend in the River_ was about the disintegration of an unnamed country in central Africa after the Europeans pulled out. It is moderately famous, and worth reading.

    In it, Naipaul points out that disintegration is a process within a system, not a system accident but a system essence. Everybody in the system realizes that it is failing, and one frequent response is to steal everything possible to prepare for the approaching chaos. I suspect that this started happening in the US after the Anglo Saxon establishment failed just before POTUS Wilson's election. The Democratic showing in the last two nights is a fairly advanced form of this failure, with everybody promising to steal something and give it to some specific group. They and the recipients of their theft, are doing the equivalent of hacking away at the roof trust so they can feed chips to a stove in winter, and the recipients of the chips don't much care because they don't like the house much anyway.

    All pretty obvious.

    Again, this sort of thing happens regularly in Western societies. So far, the West has reorganized and carried on. The reorganization has been sort of like speciation -- some one place in the West develops a working method and everybody else imitates it, usually after trying every way they can to survive without imitating it. Live through the reorganization and your descendants have it made for awhile.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Anonymous
    The bipartisan anti-China sentiment is a recent development, driven by Trump. It's really developed over the past 6 months or so with Trump's trade war making it a prominent and popular issue. Before then, probably none of the Dem candidates would have mentioned China instead of Russia or climate change or whatever as the biggest threat. Most of them probably would have said Russia like Yang did. Yang's answer sounded like he hadn't thought about the issue at all recently, and was just a canned response formulated early in his campaign back when Russia instead of China was on everyone's minds.
  67. @AnotherDad

    Thank you, Charlotte! Last night I misspoke - it’s trans men, trans masculine, and non-binary folks who need full access to abortion and repro healthcare. And I'm grateful to ALL trans and non-binary folks for their labor in guiding me on this issue.
     
    I guess--the not very bright--Julian Castro got a bit tangled up with the trans thing.

    Seems like we should just have a noun to describe the half of our species that can get pregnant? Then you could just use that word and cover everyone?

    It's really odd that over the eons we wouldn't have already come up with a simple word for those people--it's a pretty important grouping. But we could fix it now!

    So now the men to women who’ve had their testicles removed and taken female hormones for years demand fertility treatments so they can get pregnant and have abortions?

    Is that the Democrat platform?

    I can just hear the People’s Republicans of China screaming with laughter. Relax China. No need to work so hard. In a few years you can conquer America without a shot.

    But do you want America?

    • Replies: @JSM
    No... the people needing abortions are the women who wish they were men, tell everyone they meet that they ARE men, but didn't have their female organs such as uterus, removed, and, having had unprotected sex with actual men, are now in a Family Way.
  68. @Diversity is Great!

    MADDOW: Because of this large field of candidates not every person will be able to comment on everything but the less audience reaction there is the more time they will all get.

    Over the course of the next hour we will hear from all of these candidates. We are going to begin this hour with Mayor Buttigieg. In the last five years civil rights activists in our country have led a national debate over race and the criminal justice system. Your community of South Bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer involved shooting. The police force in South Bend is now 6 percent black in a city that is 26 percent black. Why has that not improved over your two terms as mayor?

    BUTTIGIEG: Because I couldn’t get it done. My community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting. A black man Eric Logan killed by a white officer. And I’m not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer says he was attacked with a knife, but he didn’t have his body camera on. It’s a mess. And we’re hurting. And I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community–all of the steps that we took from bias training to de-escalation but it didn’t save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mother’s eyes I have to face the fact and nothing that I say will bring him back. This is an issue that is facing our community and so many communities around the country. And until we move policing out from the shadow of systemic racism whatever this particular incident teaches us we will be left with the bigger problem of the fact that there is a wall of mistrust put up one racist act at a time. Not just from what has happened in the past but what’s happening around the country in the present. It threatens the well being of every community. And I am determined to bring about a day when a white person driving a vehicle and a black person driving a vehicle when they see a police officer approaching feels the exact same thing. A feeling not of fear but of safety. I’m determined to bring that day about.
     

    MADDOW: Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

    HICKENLOOPER: Mayor Buttigieg, Mayor Buttigieg, if I could ask one question because I think–

    MADDOW: Governor, I’ll give you 30 seconds.

    HICKENLOOPER: I think that the question they are asking in South Bend I think across the country is why is it taking so long? We had a shooting when I first became mayor 10 years before Ferguson and the community came together and we created an office of the independent monitor–civilian oversight commission. We diversified the police force in two years. We actually did de-escalation training. I think the real question that America should be asking is why five years after Ferguson every city doesn’t have this level of police accountability?

    MADDOW: Governor Hickenlooper, thank you.

    HICKENLOOPER: We–

    BUTTIGIEG: I’ve got to respond to that. Look, we’ve taken so many steps toward police accountability that the FOP just denounced me for too much accountability. We’re obviously not there yet. And I accept responsibility for that–

    SWALWELL: (INAUDIBLE) you should fire the chief.

    BUTTIGIEG: So, under Indiana law this will be investigated. And there will be accountability for the officer involved.

    SWALWELL: But you’re the mayor. You should fire the chief if that’s the policy and someone died.

    WILLIAMSON: All of these issues are extremely important but there are specifics, there are symptoms. And the underlying cause has to do with deep, deep, deep realms of racial injustice. Both in our criminal justice system and in our economic system. And the democratic party should be on the side of reparations for slavery for this very reason.

    I do not believe–I do not believe that the average American is a racist. But the average American is woefully undereducated about the history of race in the United States.

    TODD: Vice President Biden, we’re going to get to you. Hang on. We’re going to get–
     

    How can you guys stand to watch this *¥^**?
    I’m going to watch some Jane Austen movies. After I stop laughing. Words fail.

  69. @Hail
    "Growing up, my sister and I had to deal with a neighbor who told us her parents couldn't [let her] play with us because we were Black." -- Kamala Harris

    "Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist. But it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two Senators who built their careers on segregation of race in this country. You worked with them to oppose busing. There was once a little girl who was part of the second class to integrate her public school. She was bused to school every day. That little girl, [voice weakening, cracking] was me. [Blinks and glares at Biden]. So on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate." -- Kamala Harris

    “Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist…”

    Apophasis, thy name is Kamala.

  70. @Diversity is Great!

    The Air Force is investigating an airman after he posted a video on YouTube rife with homophobic slurs and insults.

    26 Jun 2019

    Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk

    A man in an Air Force uniform, identified only by the YouTube username "Baptist Dave 1611" ranted in a recent video, calling gay people "sodomites," "vermin scum," and "roaches" among other slurs, according to Air Force Times, which first reported the story Wednesday.
     

    "When you get these perverts on their own, they flee like cockroaches, like the roaches they are, the vermin scum, the pedophiles that they are," the airman said in the video, as reported by Air Force Times.

    In the video, "Baptist Dave" also said he was influenced by Grayson Fritts, the Tennessee Knox County Sheriff's Office detective who recently advocated for the arrest and execution of LGBTQ people. Fritts is also a pastor of All Scripture Baptist Church in Knoxville. During a sermon on June 2, Fritts said LGBTQ individuals "are worthy of death." The video, originally released by the church, went viral on social media.
     

    "The Air Force considers diversity to be one of our greatest assets," Mercurio said in a statement to Military.com. "Therefore, airmen are expected to treat one another with dignity and respect. We do not tolerate behavior that is contrary to those values."
     
    :)

    Sodomy is such a dainty delicate and elegant expression of love.

  71. @Anon
    OT:

    A great American died today.
    Blessed are the peacemakers.
    You fought the good fight and finished the race.
    May the resplendent multitude of the angels meet you Justin.

    https://twitter.com/Antiwarcom/status/1144362104733888512?s=20

    Anon[388] wrote:

    A great American died today [Justin Raimondo].

    I knew Justin when I was a grad student at Stanford back around 1980 and he was a local political activist.

    A wild and crazy guy. Committed above all to peace and to individual liberty.

    I liked him.

    RIP, Justin.

    Everyone, check out his Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement: it tells a lot about how Conservatism Inc. destroyed the Old Right and helped the liberals wreck the country.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Justin Raimondo was an overall good guy who was useful despite ideological eccentricities, like Glenn Greenwald.
  72. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    “So in a way we can thank our new, post-1965 citizens for f*cking up our democracy.”

    Perhaps true, but remember 40% of whites still vote democrat and many of those who did not often ignored critical issues or embraced unproductive ones like free trade, industrial outsourcing, expensive healthcare, overseas wars, corporate person-hood (this is what really killed the republic as it allowed greedy market-capitalists to influence policy), and mass immigration. I think it might be better to state that the US committed suicide.

  73. @eah
    Democrats get religion -- film at 11.

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1144479377490497537

  74. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    “A man in an Air Force uniform, identified only by the YouTube username “Baptist Dave 1611” ranted in a recent video, calling gay people “sodomites,” “vermin scum,” and “roaches” among other slurs … he was influenced by Grayson Fritts, the Tennessee Knox County Sheriff’s Office detective who recently advocated for the arrest and execution of LGBTQ people.”

    Lol, f**kin* dumb*h*t. That’s one of your brave warriors defending the home of the brave and the land of the free. You think these people are winning a civil war? That’s one fantasy conservatives are going to have to give up because these are the kinds of people who can’t tie their shoes and get stabbed in a Waffle House parking lot after dark.

  75. @trelane
    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It's the coalition of the fringes after all.

    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It’s the coalition of the fringes after all.

    The jokes practically write themselves. The fact that SNL has not plucked such low-hanging fruit is proof that the media is further to the left than TASS.

  76. @Hail
    "[Illegals] increase the lifespan of social security. That's what they're doin'!" -- Biden

    “[Illegals] increase the lifespan of social security. That’s what they’re doin’!”

    No. These people are net tax consumers. They do not increase the lifespan of Social Security, they decrease it. This lying sack of excrement is probably using creative accounting to get this stat by looking only at the amount they pay into SS and Medicare vs. only the amount they take out of same. Budgetary dollars are fungible, though and they take out billions more from WIC, TANF, SNAP and other giveaways which is far more than they pay in taxes into the general fund which fund them.

    You know who does increase the lifespan of Social Security, though? Smokers. They pay into Social Security and medicare all their lives and then drop dead at an average age of 63, just before they can collect any of it. On balance, this far outweighs any costs incurred by their healthcare because they die relatively quickly of terminal illnesses and are thus relatively cheap to take care of, unlike the lardass-related diseases of non-smokers, which are chronic and cost much more to treat.

    Pro-illegal immigrant, anti-smoking liberals are responsible for the demise of Social Security.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    My neighbour is eighty-two and has been hitting the cigarettes for sixty years, he can run rings around me.
  77. @Alden
    For a while the men to women weirdos wanted kotex and tampax machines in men's bathrooms. There was a big fuss on a nearby college campus about men menstruating. But that was so 3 years ago. I assume this is about signs on oby gyny offices

    " We proudly preform abortions, fertility treatment, installation of artificial wombs and artificially created fertile eggs, artificial ovaries and fallopian tubes, pre natal, childbirth and post natal care, tubal ligation, birth control and a full range of oby gyny services to any and all who desire them free of charge in a caring, nurturing and supportive environment"

    I get confused. i'd like to see universally adopted terms for the weirdos. How about MTW men to women?

    For a while the men to women weirdos wanted kotex and tampax machines in men’s bathrooms. There was a big fuss on a nearby college campus about men menstruating.

    Lol, did that little pious tantrum ever backfire.

  78. Every mention of ‘Charlotte’ Clymer is mandated by internet law to require the posting of this epic picture. The original seems to have been scrubbed from Twitter and Imigur but KiwiFarms still has a copy, very much worth a look.

    https://kiwifarms.net/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FD8d9Tb4XkAEz3lE.jpg&hash=7c341c480233e471253fe4bb75f124ed

    https://kiwifarms.net/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FK2uQ6XP.png&hash=3b23b18795063745fa2c3f213471b4ab

    Basically there is an event held every year that is like if you made Cheryl Sandberg into a convention centre, it’s called The National Girlfriends Networking Day (NGN). Sponsored by that bastion of liberation Morgan Stanley, naturally.

    Mission Statement

    To engage college and young professional women in building and expanding their networks of connections with both colleagues and mentors.

    Anyway, this year Charlotte Clymer was one of the speakers and that is him presumably ‘networking’ with a fellow ‘girlfriend’.

    There is also a post-modern drunkards progress that could be a metaphor for woke Twitter writ large.

    Just some of the hilarious stuff he has gotten up to over the years can be found here.
    https://kiwifarms.net/threads/charles-clymer-charlotte-clymer-cmclymer.52451/

  79. @nebulafox
    These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too. This is lunacy. We'd be basically inviting every single Central American peasant to come. There's no way our health care system-somehow simultaneously grossly inept and expensive, as things already stand-is going to be able to cope with that. Our schools will be overwhelmed. So will our police forces. And the American taxpayer?

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It's that simple.

    The Donald is truly blessed in his enemies. This reminds me exactly of the mental fantasy land the GOP occupied during the Obama years, and it'll likely lead to a similar result in reverse. The Democrats will control Congress, but it'll be four more years of orange.

    These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too.

    Wow, that’s very generous. So, hypothetically speaking, would I get free health care on a tourist visa too?

    • Replies: @Charon
    Clearly, we should all renounce our citizenship, then cross the border (maybe fly to the Bahamas) then re-enter the country and ...PROFIT!

    Once upon a time, citizenship entailed privileges as well as responsibilities. Now it's just a way to recognize chumps.

  80. But there is never a WW-I or a WW-P.

  81. @Hail
    (Q.) Moderator: If you can only get one issue through, what would it be?

    - Swallwell: Ending gun violence.

    - Bennett: Climate change, and the lack of economic mobility.

    - Gillibrand: "Family Bill of Rights," paid-leave plan, universal pre-K, daycare.

    - Kamala Harris: Tax cut for middle/working class. DACA. Guns.

    - Bernie: "We need a political revolution against the special interests!"

    - Biden: Defeat Trump.

    - Buttigieg: "Fix our democracy, before it's too late."

    - Yang: $1,000 Freedom Dividend for every American adult, starting at age 18.

    - Hickenlooper: Climate change.

    - Williamson: I admire the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

    Bennett, Gillibrand and Kamala Harris when asked to name one thing named two or three things, while Williamson lost track of the question. So they appear to be the dumbest of this crowd.

    • Replies: @Hail
    On top of the four you named, there were three other bad performers on the did-they-answer-the-question metric there:

    - Bernie: Raised the rhetorical red-fist, instead of answering;
    - Biden: Said "Defeat Trump," even though the question's premise is that he is already defeated and that Biden is president in 2021;
    - Buttigieg: Frivolous, meaningless response.

    Half Credit
    - Swalwell: Dropped in a slogan ("End gun violence") of nebulous meaning, but at least it's a coherent, identifiable, and single issue.

    Valid responses per premise of the Q
    This leaves only two who fully played by the question (premise)'s rules:
    - Yang (UBI), and
    - Hickenlooper (climate change).

    That is a 7.5/10 rate of breaking the question's rules or doing something weird (the weirdest, characteristically, being from oddball Williamson).

  82. The Democrats are following a Hugo Chavez strategy: kick out the whites, and give the non-whites (Indios in Venezuela) maybe 60% of everything the whites now have. Part of the appeal is the stuff offered, part of the appeal is in getting rid of the whites who somehow run things, even though they violate Indio common sense every day of the year.

    Chavez made quite a point of giving things away, and his picture pretty much established that he wasn’t white in the South American sense.

    His successor now has the same problem that Hitler had: if you make a welfare state by confiscation, you eventually run out of potential victims. Hitler escalated into robbing foreigners [1], but apparently Venezuela is going for the “repress dissent” option, which doesn’t look any more likely to succeed than Hitler’s invasion of Poland.

    The Democrats want to go down that path. For that matter, the Republican establishment has no problem with it either (they’re following the South Africa path, let the POCs run things as long as they leave the gated communities alone).

    Might actually happen.. There are numerous examples of civilizational collapse, retrogression, and even human extinction from a civilizational form that would not permit adaptation to new conditions. In our case it may be the strange infertility (in China and Japan also, remember) confered by industrial society on those who are employed. As far as I can tell, very few at present are considering this basic problem [2]. The prevailing Western politics is that people with jobs are well compensated for their comparative childlessness by the money they are given.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Goetz Aley.
    _Hitler’s beneficiaries_

    2] These people are researching and documenting an aspect of industrial effect on fertility (and genetic load, for that matter), but their research as of 2919/o6/28 can’t be applied as engineering.
    For the curious, these books are all available in Kindle format on Amazon.com as of this writing.

    Edward Dutton and Bruce G. Charlton.
    The Genius Famine: Why we need geniuses, why they’re dying out, and why we must rescue them.
    _The University of Buckingham Press_; 2015.

    Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley of Menie.
    At Our Wits End: Why we’re becoming less intelligent and what it means for the future.
    _Sociatas_, 2018.

    Edward Dutton.
    Race Differences in Ethnocentrism.
    _Arktos_; 2019.

  83. @Anonymous
    Biden and Bernie did not do very well, while Kamala, Buttigieg, and to a lesser extent Gillibrand and Swallwell, seemed to best. And by doing well here I don't mean making the best arguments and coherent points, but being aggressive and hogging airtime to make canned talking points, which seems to be the entire point of the "debates" and how you "win". I think it was an age thing. Biden and Bernie lacked the energy and quickness relative to Kamala and the others to aggressively dominate.

    Judging from the examples above, Kamala Harris appears to always be on the brink of blurting out some gaffe. Which could be amusing when the pressure goes up.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Harris appears to always be on the brink of blurting out some gaffe
     
    In a saner society, most of the things she says might legitimately be considered a gaffes, as Steve implies in his immediate post-debate thread about Kamala denouncing Biden for his 1970s-era, mainstream opposition to "busing."

    Anyone who says, "[Mr. Opponent], I do not believe you are a racist, but -- [proceeds to explain opponent's racism]" should be disqualified automatically on ethical grounds.

    Harris has a strong streak of what has been dubbed the 'ambulance chaser' personality.

  84. So it’s now the Democrat consensus that anybody showing up at the border must be waved through, no questions asked. Those with a child in tow must not be tested for blood relationship with that child. All must receive free healthcare. If they are black, they must receive reparations for slavery. If they are black or Hispanic, they must receive affirmative action preferences.

    And anybody who thinks that the elites want to replace native born whites is an evil racist conspiracy theorist.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    So it’s now the Democrat consensus that anybody showing up at the border must be waved through, no questions asked. Those with a child in tow must not be tested for blood relationship with that child. All must receive free healthcare. If they are black, they must receive reparations for slavery. If they are black or Hispanic, they must receive affirmative action preferences.

    And anybody who thinks that the elites want to replace native born whites is an evil racist conspiracy theorist.
     
    LOL. Well and pithily said.

    Where's Trump? I can only hope it's that he just wants to give them rope. But unfortunately President Kushner seems to be ok with about half of this as well.
  85. @anon
    "Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he’s just done it the wrong way."

    AND

    "Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China? Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they’ve been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats."

    Told ya. As soon as Trump is out of office, the oligarchs (those who hold the real power) will go back to outsourcing industry to China and looting the treasury for short-term profit. So, I don't follow Karlin's prediction that anti-China sentiment is now bipartisan, and even if it were, the oligarchs hold the power and they want to go back to making easy money, national security and unity be damned; that's what a post-national proposition nation looks like: a dog-eat-dog society where everyone lives for themselves and the present. This empire is over. It's done. It can't even defend itself anymore: There's a mass invasion going on while the ruling class is about to go back to business as usual, allowing the Chinese to dominate nearly all future industries because they are greedy and short-sighted (and racist against whites, which translates to unproductive anti-Russian hate).

    Also, Yang is done and just for the reason I suspected: No natural large racial constituency in an election where identity trumps policy, pardon the pun. That's why he failed the debate, he was attempting to appeal to extremist demographic groups to make up for this fact. His UBI deal is also a non-starter because it will seem too good to be true to normies, regardless of what the polls may say. Social trust is so low now people will just assume he's lying, even if they understand what he's talking about. He would have been better off calling for a $15 minimum wage. Now, that is something tangible/believable, something with a precedent of being changed over time; it's also easy to understand, unlike Yang's explanation of UBI tonight.

    V. S. Naipaul’s _A Bend in the River_ was about the disintegration of an unnamed country in central Africa after the Europeans pulled out. It is moderately famous, and worth reading.

    In it, Naipaul points out that disintegration is a process within a system, not a system accident but a system essence. Everybody in the system realizes that it is failing, and one frequent response is to steal everything possible to prepare for the approaching chaos. I suspect that this started happening in the US after the Anglo Saxon establishment failed just before POTUS Wilson’s election. The Democratic showing in the last two nights is a fairly advanced form of this failure, with everybody promising to steal something and give it to some specific group. They and the recipients of their theft, are doing the equivalent of hacking away at the roof trust so they can feed chips to a stove in winter, and the recipients of the chips don’t much care because they don’t like the house much anyway.

    All pretty obvious.

    Again, this sort of thing happens regularly in Western societies. So far, the West has reorganized and carried on. The reorganization has been sort of like speciation — some one place in the West develops a working method and everybody else imitates it, usually after trying every way they can to survive without imitating it. Live through the reorganization and your descendants have it made for awhile.

    Counterinsurgency

  86. @CCZ
    Cory Booker missed his opportunity to object to hair care discrimination, perhaps another candidate will run with this pressing civil rights issue and reset our moral compass and return America to the "right side of history."

    "Discrimination based on the style or texture of a person’s hair would be forbidden in New Jersey under a bill introduced in the state Legislature."

    "The measure (S3945) would revise the state’s Law Against Discrimination, which protects people from discrimination on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, race or other categories, to also include “traits historically associated with race, including, but not limited to, hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles,” like twists or braids."

    California as well. I gather NY state on track as well. LATimes:

    California set to be first state to protect black people from natural hair discrimination
    http://va.topbuzz.com/s/MejUZw

  87. @Anonymous
    Your descendants will be non-existent because your fascination with the sexual prowess of dusky men is surely telling.

    I think Tiny IS black. Like T’ahiti Coates,he’s a scared brother who ducks and dodges the thugs..
    Is a pussy.and gay.

  88. @Anon
    OT:

    A great American died today.
    Blessed are the peacemakers.
    You fought the good fight and finished the race.
    May the resplendent multitude of the angels meet you Justin.

    https://twitter.com/Antiwarcom/status/1144362104733888512?s=20

    “There is no afterlife.” -Sean Carrol

    • Replies: @Anon000

    “There is no afterlife.” -Sean Carroll
     
    He’s right. He’s made his choice. Good luck with that.

    “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ ... No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” - C.S. Lewis (The Great Divorce)
     
  89. @trelane
    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions? It's the coalition of the fringes after all.

    Why not racial reparations for transsexual felons who need late term abortions?

    I sort of support taxpayer-funded late-term abortions in cases where the fetus commits a serious felony after its 87th trimester.

    (87=3+21*4)

  90. @Pericles

    These people are not just proposing to end criminal penalties to illegal border-crossers, but are now going to give them free health care, too.

     

    Wow, that's very generous. So, hypothetically speaking, would I get free health care on a tourist visa too?

    Clearly, we should all renounce our citizenship, then cross the border (maybe fly to the Bahamas) then re-enter the country and …PROFIT!

    Once upon a time, citizenship entailed privileges as well as responsibilities. Now it’s just a way to recognize chumps.

  91. @Ray Huffman
    “[Illegals] increase the lifespan of social security. That’s what they’re doin’!”

    No. These people are net tax consumers. They do not increase the lifespan of Social Security, they decrease it. This lying sack of excrement is probably using creative accounting to get this stat by looking only at the amount they pay into SS and Medicare vs. only the amount they take out of same. Budgetary dollars are fungible, though and they take out billions more from WIC, TANF, SNAP and other giveaways which is far more than they pay in taxes into the general fund which fund them.

    You know who does increase the lifespan of Social Security, though? Smokers. They pay into Social Security and medicare all their lives and then drop dead at an average age of 63, just before they can collect any of it. On balance, this far outweighs any costs incurred by their healthcare because they die relatively quickly of terminal illnesses and are thus relatively cheap to take care of, unlike the lardass-related diseases of non-smokers, which are chronic and cost much more to treat.

    Pro-illegal immigrant, anti-smoking liberals are responsible for the demise of Social Security.

    My neighbour is eighty-two and has been hitting the cigarettes for sixty years, he can run rings around me.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    And my good friend died at age 57 — despite always being thin and walking regularly — after smoking tobacco heavily from his teens.

    You do understand the concept of an average, right?
  92. @Father O'Hara
    "There is no afterlife." -Sean Carrol

    “There is no afterlife.” -Sean Carroll

    He’s right. He’s made his choice. Good luck with that.

    “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ … No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” – C.S. Lewis (The Great Divorce)

  93. @Hail
    Moderator (S. Guthrie): Show of hands, please. Would your health plan provide coverage for undocumented immigrants?

    [All candidates raise their hands. In roughly this order:]

    – Marianne Williamson (fastest to raise hand)
    – Kamala Harris
    – Bernie
    – Gillibrand
    – Buttigieg
    – Hickenlooper
    – Andrew Yang
    – Biden (slowest to raise hand)

    (Michael Bennet and Eric Swallwell also raised hands, but cannot tell in what order due to camera angle.)

    One in this group will probably be the nominee. If the GOP doesn’t put this into a campaign commercial, they’re not just not doing their job, it’ll be utter incompetence.

    “Sorry about the wait for your hip surgery, Mrs. Smith, but there are several wet#%#s in line in front of you, so you’ll just have to tough it out until we can get around to you. Maybe as soon as next month. See you then.”

  94. So they all wanted open borders, and at the same time allow anyone who comes in to immediately get free healthcare? How much will this cost?

    Did any of these people get past Algebra I? Never mind.

    How about just basic math?

    OK, just two digit additions?

  95. Hail says: • Website
    @anon
    Here's my take on what happened according to various sources:

    1. Biden looked old. He finished the debate but not as the clear winner or in dramatic fashion, so there may be questions about his candidacy going forward. Kamala Harris dinged him on the segregation association, so I expect him to be dead in the water now absent Obama's personal endorsement. Name searches for him were tied with or lower than three other candidates on that stage.

    2. The democrats seem on track to nominate an extremist hell-bent on winning through appeals to identity politics: All the candidates on stage favor free healthcare for illegals; Harris and Sanders falsely claimed illegal immigration isn't an issue, despite record numbers of border detentions; the party is committed to claiming Russia is the country's greatest geostrategic threat, despite the obvious absurdity of that claim in the wake of Chinese competition; massive fiscal irresponsibility of granting all illegals free healthcare, which is sure to act as a magnet for the world's poor. The candidate with the highest name search was Marianne Williamson, followed by Kamala Harris. Both candidates are nuts; one is a sociopath.

    3. Yang is finished. After the first question he endorsed radical policies on immigration and then disappeared, blowing his one shot. Perhaps he thought he could suck up to the racists in the democrat party by going full pozz, but that didn't work as he finished near the bottom in name searches; he was less than 1/3 of Williamson. His best bet was to be a moderate and let the rest of the extremists cannibalize each other, leaving him the lone man standing at the end of the primary season.

    His UBI is also now a total failure as the democrats have made it clear by their other endorsed policies that they would soon expand it to cover ALL people, including illegal immigrants (just as I predicted). That is unaffordable, so we'll either get it and then crash the economy as a result or never get it at all after a contentious fight (probably the latter).

    4. My take: All of these candidates outside of Tulsi Gabbard and (holding nose) Joe Biden will be unacceptable to republicans if elected; most of the rest have little shot of winning outside of Biden, Harris, and maybe Sanders as a long shot ... but if a guy like Castro did win ...

    I also think there is a real threat now of either the Russians or the Chinese "interfering" in American politics if they sense an opening, so we may not be done with this election controversy stuff, and this year and next may be ripe for it. That could be what the deepstate was worried about when they publicly leaked the story of the government hacking the Russian power grid. However, the election may be so contentious that, if I were the Russians, I might seriously consider giving it a shot anyway because the potential benefit is just so enticing.

    "Hunter Wallace writes, minutes ago"

    Nice take, but you missed the closing line: "I’m officially going with Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020 now!" Don't know if he was joking or not, but it's a nice recap of the sentiment produced by these debates. Historically, prevailing orders fall when they are confronted with a crisis they cannot acceptably address. Post 2016 may be that crisis; the GOP chose to continue looting the treasury with tax cuts when Trump came into power rather than address urgent issues of immigration, working class wages/jobs and outsourcing, and demographic change - instead picking fights all around the world and actively blocking efforts to fix these issues.

    Nice take, but you missed the closing line: “I’m officially going with Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020 now!” Don’t know if he was joking or not, but it’s a nice recap of the sentiment produced by these debates

    What is “Tracey/Walls Dissolve The USA in 2020”? I can’t figure out if this refers to a human-being candidate named Tracey and/or (with the implausible name of) Walls.

    Anyone know?

  96. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles
    Bennett, Gillibrand and Kamala Harris when asked to name one thing named two or three things, while Williamson lost track of the question. So they appear to be the dumbest of this crowd.

    On top of the four you named, there were three other bad performers on the did-they-answer-the-question metric there:

    Bernie: Raised the rhetorical red-fist, instead of answering;
    Biden: Said “Defeat Trump,” even though the question’s premise is that he is already defeated and that Biden is president in 2021;
    Buttigieg: Frivolous, meaningless response.

    Half Credit
    Swalwell: Dropped in a slogan (“End gun violence”) of nebulous meaning, but at least it’s a coherent, identifiable, and single issue.

    Valid responses per premise of the Q
    This leaves only two who fully played by the question (premise)’s rules:
    Yang (UBI), and
    Hickenlooper (climate change).

    That is a 7.5/10 rate of breaking the question’s rules or doing something weird (the weirdest, characteristically, being from oddball Williamson).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are claims out there that Yang's mic was cut off during the debate. I don't know if that's true or not. MSNBC did appear to try to steer/craft the debate into a showdown between Biden/Bernie vs. Harris/Buttigieg.

    https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1144486719959339009

  97. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles
    Judging from the examples above, Kamala Harris appears to always be on the brink of blurting out some gaffe. Which could be amusing when the pressure goes up.

    Harris appears to always be on the brink of blurting out some gaffe

    In a saner society, most of the things she says might legitimately be considered a gaffes, as Steve implies in his immediate post-debate thread about Kamala denouncing Biden for his 1970s-era, mainstream opposition to “busing.”

    Anyone who says, “[Mr. Opponent], I do not believe you are a racist, but — [proceeds to explain opponent’s racism]” should be disqualified automatically on ethical grounds.

    Harris has a strong streak of what has been dubbed the ‘ambulance chaser’ personality.

  98. @JohnnyD
    Apparently, O.J. is trying to become a political analyst:
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1144407744427859968

    Hey OJ looks pretty damn good for being 71! All those years of pretending to be in prison have been kind to him.

  99. Charles/Charlotte Clymer is a longtime, looka-me drama queen and attention whore who, upon discovery that faggots can stamp their feet and screech….but faggots in drag were granted instant cachet and gravitas in our dying society….found his niche and never looked back.

    So instead of living under observation on a diet of tranks, he gets to advise politicians on policy.
    Remember: not a sick society; a dying society.

  100. @Tiny Duck
    Reparations are the right thing to do and are inevitable

    You descendants will be brown

    Ohs Tinys…..

    You want to play Monkee onna …..err Lenderp means ….Tinys on da Stick ….laterz….

    Lenderp “I be Tinys Playground equipment” Pitdz

  101. “In fact, you know, my first visit after I announced my candidacy wasn’t to Iowa or New Hampshire. It was to San Juan, Puerto Rico, because people should know that if I’m elected president, everybody will count. ” – Castro.

    Because everybody lives in San Juan.

  102. JSM says:
    @AnotherDad

    Thank you, Charlotte! Last night I misspoke - it’s trans men, trans masculine, and non-binary folks who need full access to abortion and repro healthcare. And I'm grateful to ALL trans and non-binary folks for their labor in guiding me on this issue.
     
    I guess--the not very bright--Julian Castro got a bit tangled up with the trans thing.

    Seems like we should just have a noun to describe the half of our species that can get pregnant? Then you could just use that word and cover everyone?

    It's really odd that over the eons we wouldn't have already come up with a simple word for those people--it's a pretty important grouping. But we could fix it now!

    You’re confused fellas.

    The critters wanting abortions who also tell you they are men, are women who tell you they are men, have uteruses already, have not had those organs surgically removed.

    I’m an old La Leche League Leader. LLL was started in the 50s by a group of 7 Catholic women who wanted to rediscover the old art of breastfeeding cuz bottle feeding had nearly caused that wisdom to be lost.
    But now, PC having infected EVERYTHING, Leaders are being told to refer to breastfeeding as “chest-feeding” in order to be “inclusive” of women who’ve birthed babies, while insisting they’re men, but don’t like the milk-making appendages on their fronts and want to pretend they don’t have them.

  103. @Alden
    So now the men to women who’ve had their testicles removed and taken female hormones for years demand fertility treatments so they can get pregnant and have abortions?

    Is that the Democrat platform?

    I can just hear the People’s Republicans of China screaming with laughter. Relax China. No need to work so hard. In a few years you can conquer America without a shot.

    But do you want America?

    No… the people needing abortions are the women who wish they were men, tell everyone they meet that they ARE men, but didn’t have their female organs such as uterus, removed, and, having had unprotected sex with actual men, are now in a Family Way.

  104. @peterike
    “It’s really clown world.”

    That’s not strong enough anymore. Retard world? Lunatic world? Or just Anti-white world.

    Piss Earth.

  105. @Lot
    Illegal entry is almost never prosecuted, though illegal reentry after deportation is, and can result in years in federal prison.

    The threat of prosecution for illegal entry, however, is the key tool we use to get mass numbers of illegals to return without the expensive formal deportation. So “We can drop you off in Mexico today, or prosecute and imprison you for a year, after which we’ll deport you. Which way Jose?”

    Making this a “civil offense” is amnesty. Can someone just not pay? Or pay $100 every few years when caught?

    8 USC 1325 was being prosecuted regularly during the beginning of Trump’s term. This made them amenable to a 1326 prosecution next time. This was partly responsible for the trickle that occured after the election. 1326 also carried a stiff and progressive bar to re-entry (5/20/never again).

    Of course, now we don’t and here we are.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Yeah I shouldn’t have phrased it “almost never.” But with a first offense being “not more than 6 months” it is right at the bottom of the priority list.

    Better to say: “It is threatened much more to obtain a voluntary removal than actually prosecuted all the way to trial. ”

    Even more often: getting an illegal who has already been deported on a gun or drug charge and then adding illegal reentry to tack on another 2 or 10 years.

    It is pretty easy for an illegal to avoid getting deported. But a drug addict criminal who reenters and is caught again can get completely slammed with a very long sentence. And they are really easy cases for the AUSA, no complicated “intent” to prove for example.
  106. I’m sticking with my 2016 prediction that Harris would be picked to be the next Democrat Presidential nominee after Clinton. California is a single party state with open primaries so major office holders in California are, functionally speaking, appointed to their offices by the Democrat’s Inner Party. The Party sees her as a female version of Obama and one of the models for an ideal future President. As part of the plan in 2016 Senator Boxer retired and Loretta Sanchez was set up as the palooka to run against Harris for Senator and lose in the November general election.
    (BTW, Loretta is a very sweet and earnest lady, but has to be the dumbest politician I have ever met personally. She seemed to have no idea she had been set up. In the campaign she was baffled why every single media outlet, and almost every major politician in California including Mexican ones endorsed Harris, and why she couldn’t seem to raise any money.)
    As the demographic cake is already baked, the US will also become a one party political system and the Democrat Inner Party will be appointing our future Presidents. The logical course of history would have been that after Clinton was appointed as the nominee in 2016, she would have won, served two terms, and the female Obama would have succeeded Clinton in 2024. Trump tore up the script by upsetting Clinton to become the last Republican President. Harris’s problem now is that she may have peaked early by getting the nomination in 2020 since Trump has a chance of once again pulling off an upset and winning. If Harris loses to him in 2020, that might hurt her chances in 2024 because the other applicants for the position can make the case that she already lost once, therefore someone else should get to be President.

  107. I think Harris’s attack on Joe Biden regarding his history of opposing busing might actually work in Trump’s favor now. As most of the voters in the states that gave Trump his lopsided victory probably opposed busing as well; so if Harris winds up badly damaging Biden and become the Democratic candidate the states the Democratics need to win go to Trump again.

    So she might have scored a point or two in the battle to embarrass Joe Biden last night but she could prove to have ultimately loss the ‘war” by costing the Democrats the Presidency…

    The Democrats, of course, totally deserve this as they empowered these radical flakes like Harris and AOC, Cory Booker (even DeBlasio to a certain extent) and others so now they must reap what they’ve sown…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Harris has the Obama feel tho. Rs should careful what they wish for.
  108. We are increasingly directly ruled by the insane or ruled for the benefit of the insane. This cannot end well.

  109. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    "Michael Bennett: First of all, the biggest threat to our national security right now is Russia, not China. But [Trump] is right to push back on China, he’s just done it the wrong way."

    AND

    "Moderator: Mr. Yang, are you worried about China? Andrew Yang: I just want to agree that Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat, because they’ve been hacking our democracy successfully and laughing their a**es off about it for a couple of years. We should focus on that before we start worrying about, uh, other threats."

    Told ya. As soon as Trump is out of office, the oligarchs (those who hold the real power) will go back to outsourcing industry to China and looting the treasury for short-term profit. So, I don't follow Karlin's prediction that anti-China sentiment is now bipartisan, and even if it were, the oligarchs hold the power and they want to go back to making easy money, national security and unity be damned; that's what a post-national proposition nation looks like: a dog-eat-dog society where everyone lives for themselves and the present. This empire is over. It's done. It can't even defend itself anymore: There's a mass invasion going on while the ruling class is about to go back to business as usual, allowing the Chinese to dominate nearly all future industries because they are greedy and short-sighted (and racist against whites, which translates to unproductive anti-Russian hate).

    Also, Yang is done and just for the reason I suspected: No natural large racial constituency in an election where identity trumps policy, pardon the pun. That's why he failed the debate, he was attempting to appeal to extremist demographic groups to make up for this fact. His UBI deal is also a non-starter because it will seem too good to be true to normies, regardless of what the polls may say. Social trust is so low now people will just assume he's lying, even if they understand what he's talking about. He would have been better off calling for a $15 minimum wage. Now, that is something tangible/believable, something with a precedent of being changed over time; it's also easy to understand, unlike Yang's explanation of UBI tonight.

    The bipartisan anti-China sentiment is a recent development, driven by Trump. It’s really developed over the past 6 months or so with Trump’s trade war making it a prominent and popular issue. Before then, probably none of the Dem candidates would have mentioned China instead of Russia or climate change or whatever as the biggest threat. Most of them probably would have said Russia like Yang did. Yang’s answer sounded like he hadn’t thought about the issue at all recently, and was just a canned response formulated early in his campaign back when Russia instead of China was on everyone’s minds.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This. Before Trump only an idiot would publicly doubt the wisdom of giving the Chinese whatever they asked for. This morning BBC radio actually spoke to a third party "expert" who was extremely critical on China -- regarding trade, not organ harvesting -- and effectively gave a guarded defense of Trump's moves (objecting of course to his brashness).
  110. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    On top of the four you named, there were three other bad performers on the did-they-answer-the-question metric there:

    - Bernie: Raised the rhetorical red-fist, instead of answering;
    - Biden: Said "Defeat Trump," even though the question's premise is that he is already defeated and that Biden is president in 2021;
    - Buttigieg: Frivolous, meaningless response.

    Half Credit
    - Swalwell: Dropped in a slogan ("End gun violence") of nebulous meaning, but at least it's a coherent, identifiable, and single issue.

    Valid responses per premise of the Q
    This leaves only two who fully played by the question (premise)'s rules:
    - Yang (UBI), and
    - Hickenlooper (climate change).

    That is a 7.5/10 rate of breaking the question's rules or doing something weird (the weirdest, characteristically, being from oddball Williamson).

    There are claims out there that Yang’s mic was cut off during the debate. I don’t know if that’s true or not. MSNBC did appear to try to steer/craft the debate into a showdown between Biden/Bernie vs. Harris/Buttigieg.

  111. • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/loneargos/status/1144634135094468609
  112. @ScarletNumber

    *You cannot have a welfare state and open immigration at the same time*, fiscally speaking. It’s that simple.
     
    You know Milton Friedman said this, right?

    A broken clock is right twice a day.

  113. Guaranteed income is not compatible with open borders.

    I have my own idea:

    $2000 a year, paid to anyone who meets any of these criteria, or has an ancestor who meets any of these criteria.

    1. You had ancestors in the US on July 4, 1776

    2. You have any provable ancestors who were the aboriginal people of any state or territory. That includes Indians, Eskimos, Kanaka, Aleutian Islanders, Samoans in American Samoa, etc.

    3. Your ancestors were in any state or territory when it became part of the US. So AOC gets in because her ancestors were in PR in 1898. So do a lot of Chinese in Hawaii.

    4. Any of your ancestors were legal slaves or indentured servants before the 13th Amendment was passed. Michelle Obama gets in now. So does Oprah.

    5. You or any of your ancestors served in combat or were honorably discharged from any American or Confederate armed forces. CSA soldiers are, by federal law, to be treated the same as USA soldiers, like it or not. Obama gets in because his grandfather fought in WW II. Daniel Inoue’s descendants get in too.

    6. You or one of your ancestors performed some great service to the country. This can be defined later. For example, in order to get doctors or teachers to work in some remote areas, we can give them and their descendants income rights.

    Not a perfect plan, partly because of fraud potential. It’s a start.

    • Replies: @GeologyAnon
    #4 and #5 would ensure almost any white family that was present in the country before 1865 would be given the payout.
  114. @Lagertha
    the problem for the Dems is: NJ, CT, NY, MD, MA,VA, DE, CA may go for Trump (not historical/usual Republicans, which is the thing; but also, fiscal Democrats who do not have the 5 million dollars they need to have to secure retirement (85+ in age with good healthy - in the blue states).

    Many Boomers are retired and retiring - it is all about their financial feelings ;D. Soooo many of them tell me they are going for Trump because of their family, and that they want to leave money for their adult kids, or at least, pay for their funeral - the shame of not paying for their burial or tombstone is lost on most Americans who are not 1st or 2nd gen immigrants. Steve post on tombstones! Hahhahaaaa - I can help you with Montana!

    Virginia is the only one of those states that might possibly go to Trump. All states are gradually going to purple then to blue. I think he can eke out one last win in Texas for the Republicans, but with his 2016 voters demoralized, he will have trouble holding Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio.
    I’m sorry, but Trump winning any of those other states is science fiction. Here in California the general election races for statewide and US Senate offices are mostly two Democrats running against each other.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    did you notice no one responds to you! Hahhaaa you guys are such gutless wonders! How do you sleep at night? I want all of you and your kids to experience socialism at its real endgame - you American men who are so-called Progressives, are pussies who would die immediately. Think about your god-given kids, asshole - join the mvmt against the CB and totalitarianism. Your worries about T are so fucking pathetic, just like you: You are a Pathetic Tool who has no game for anything...bc you need your paycheck....am I right? of course, I am right.
  115. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    “The bipartisan anti-China sentiment is a recent development, driven by Trump. It’s really developed over the past 6 months or so with Trump’s trade war making it a prominent and popular issue.”

    It may not be as bipartisan as you think, as revealed by these debates where candidates (bizarrely) claimed Russia was the number one threat to the USA; at least one candidate hinted he opposed tariffs on China while several sidestepped the issue entirely or deflected to Russia. Also, American companies are fighting tooth and nail to go back to the previous status quo; many of these companies are extremely influential (Apple, Fed-Ex …). I expect these companies to get their way shortly after Trump loses in 2020 because they are the real power in this country. They donate all the campaign money, so they make all the rules. These tariffs are either all coming down or they will be negotiated away soon. The few high-level democrat politicians you can point to who are, perhaps, more anti-China these days are guys like Chuck Schumer; he’ll be 70 this November. Others like Pelosi are pushing 80. They will soon be gone and politicians like Kamala Harris and AOC will be running the party.

    These people are primarily interested in racial spoils for their tribe, not doing what is in the best interest of the nation state, so there will not only be strong pressure from the oligarchs to end anti-China tariffs, but there will also be general disinterest from the future POC ruling class because the issue doesn’t have immediate benefit for their group. Someone on this forum once speculated that a future multi-cultural United States couldn’t effectively defend its interests (nation-state) against a future China. I think this trade issue could become a demonstration of that fact. Sure, the deepstate may have nation-state level concerns, but they are going to be overruled by petty tribal gibs soon, helped along through generous campaign contributions from the same greedy Wall Street types who put the country in this position in the first place.

    “MSNBC cut off his microphone whenever he tried to interject, and they let other candidates like Biden & Bernie run as long as they wanted to. Considering they also called on Yang for the “China” question”

    Yet another indication that MSNBC is state-run propaganda, along with CNN. That was done on purpose. Also, their question in immigration lets you know what the incompetent deepstate thinks on the subject: “We want economic units to compete with China.” It will end disastrously, though.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The deep state cannot be overruled, it doesn't think in terms of nation-states or America's interests, and right now it's in love with the AOC line.
  116. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    “I think Harris’s attack on Joe Biden regarding his history of opposing busing might actually work in Trump’s favor now. As most of the voters in the states that gave Trump his lopsided victory probably opposed busing as well.”

    It won’t in this climate, though. It’ll be construed as racist among y0unger voters. 2020, if not 2016, may be the first presidential election where a majority of voters are not Boomers.

    “Yang’s answer sounded like he hadn’t thought about the issue at all recently”

    I don’t believe that, and I wouldn’t believe it even if he directly said it himself. Yang is an intelligent man who has thought about many different issues very deeply. Yang knows all about China, he simply deflected away to Russia when asked about China because he is a Sinophile, as Karlin continually points out; he really should have addressed the China issue more forcefully. Now, the American deepstate will never let him anywhere near the White House, and they will pull out every dirty trick to prevent that from happening (muting his mic, for example). Of course, they tried the same with Donald Trump, but he’s a unique person seemingly immune to shame and who has a large natural constituency, unlike Yang.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yang need not rely on the merely natural.
  117. @Anonymous
    The bipartisan anti-China sentiment is a recent development, driven by Trump. It's really developed over the past 6 months or so with Trump's trade war making it a prominent and popular issue. Before then, probably none of the Dem candidates would have mentioned China instead of Russia or climate change or whatever as the biggest threat. Most of them probably would have said Russia like Yang did. Yang's answer sounded like he hadn't thought about the issue at all recently, and was just a canned response formulated early in his campaign back when Russia instead of China was on everyone's minds.

    This. Before Trump only an idiot would publicly doubt the wisdom of giving the Chinese whatever they asked for. This morning BBC radio actually spoke to a third party “expert” who was extremely critical on China — regarding trade, not organ harvesting — and effectively gave a guarded defense of Trump’s moves (objecting of course to his brashness).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most of the foreign policy establishment, both the liberal internationalist types and neocons, have been hostile to China. It's just before Trump they tended to prefer being more subtle and behind the scenes about it. Also the neocons tended to be more interested in/distracted by the Mideast.
  118. @anon
    "The bipartisan anti-China sentiment is a recent development, driven by Trump. It’s really developed over the past 6 months or so with Trump’s trade war making it a prominent and popular issue."

    It may not be as bipartisan as you think, as revealed by these debates where candidates (bizarrely) claimed Russia was the number one threat to the USA; at least one candidate hinted he opposed tariffs on China while several sidestepped the issue entirely or deflected to Russia. Also, American companies are fighting tooth and nail to go back to the previous status quo; many of these companies are extremely influential (Apple, Fed-Ex ...). I expect these companies to get their way shortly after Trump loses in 2020 because they are the real power in this country. They donate all the campaign money, so they make all the rules. These tariffs are either all coming down or they will be negotiated away soon. The few high-level democrat politicians you can point to who are, perhaps, more anti-China these days are guys like Chuck Schumer; he'll be 70 this November. Others like Pelosi are pushing 80. They will soon be gone and politicians like Kamala Harris and AOC will be running the party.

    These people are primarily interested in racial spoils for their tribe, not doing what is in the best interest of the nation state, so there will not only be strong pressure from the oligarchs to end anti-China tariffs, but there will also be general disinterest from the future POC ruling class because the issue doesn't have immediate benefit for their group. Someone on this forum once speculated that a future multi-cultural United States couldn't effectively defend its interests (nation-state) against a future China. I think this trade issue could become a demonstration of that fact. Sure, the deepstate may have nation-state level concerns, but they are going to be overruled by petty tribal gibs soon, helped along through generous campaign contributions from the same greedy Wall Street types who put the country in this position in the first place.

    "MSNBC cut off his microphone whenever he tried to interject, and they let other candidates like Biden & Bernie run as long as they wanted to. Considering they also called on Yang for the “China” question"

    Yet another indication that MSNBC is state-run propaganda, along with CNN. That was done on purpose. Also, their question in immigration lets you know what the incompetent deepstate thinks on the subject: "We want economic units to compete with China." It will end disastrously, though.

    The deep state cannot be overruled, it doesn’t think in terms of nation-states or America’s interests, and right now it’s in love with the AOC line.

  119. @PhysicistDave
    Anon[388] wrote:

    A great American died today [Justin Raimondo].
     
    I knew Justin when I was a grad student at Stanford back around 1980 and he was a local political activist.

    A wild and crazy guy. Committed above all to peace and to individual liberty.

    I liked him.

    RIP, Justin.

    Everyone, check out his Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement: it tells a lot about how Conservatism Inc. destroyed the Old Right and helped the liberals wreck the country.

    Justin Raimondo was an overall good guy who was useful despite ideological eccentricities, like Glenn Greenwald.

  120. Why didn’t Kamala Harris warn that Barack Obama had selected a racist — Joe Biden — for vice-president? She is the kind of slimy politician who gives opportunism a bad name.

  121. @anon
    "I think Harris’s attack on Joe Biden regarding his history of opposing busing might actually work in Trump’s favor now. As most of the voters in the states that gave Trump his lopsided victory probably opposed busing as well."

    It won't in this climate, though. It'll be construed as racist among y0unger voters. 2020, if not 2016, may be the first presidential election where a majority of voters are not Boomers.

    "Yang’s answer sounded like he hadn’t thought about the issue at all recently"

    I don't believe that, and I wouldn't believe it even if he directly said it himself. Yang is an intelligent man who has thought about many different issues very deeply. Yang knows all about China, he simply deflected away to Russia when asked about China because he is a Sinophile, as Karlin continually points out; he really should have addressed the China issue more forcefully. Now, the American deepstate will never let him anywhere near the White House, and they will pull out every dirty trick to prevent that from happening (muting his mic, for example). Of course, they tried the same with Donald Trump, but he's a unique person seemingly immune to shame and who has a large natural constituency, unlike Yang.

    Yang need not rely on the merely natural.

  122. @NYMOM
    I think Harris's attack on Joe Biden regarding his history of opposing busing might actually work in Trump's favor now. As most of the voters in the states that gave Trump his lopsided victory probably opposed busing as well; so if Harris winds up badly damaging Biden and become the Democratic candidate the states the Democratics need to win go to Trump again.

    So she might have scored a point or two in the battle to embarrass Joe Biden last night but she could prove to have ultimately loss the 'war" by costing the Democrats the Presidency...

    The Democrats, of course, totally deserve this as they empowered these radical flakes like Harris and AOC, Cory Booker (even DeBlasio to a certain extent) and others so now they must reap what they've sown...

    Harris has the Obama feel tho. Rs should careful what they wish for.

  123. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    This. Before Trump only an idiot would publicly doubt the wisdom of giving the Chinese whatever they asked for. This morning BBC radio actually spoke to a third party "expert" who was extremely critical on China -- regarding trade, not organ harvesting -- and effectively gave a guarded defense of Trump's moves (objecting of course to his brashness).

    Most of the foreign policy establishment, both the liberal internationalist types and neocons, have been hostile to China. It’s just before Trump they tended to prefer being more subtle and behind the scenes about it. Also the neocons tended to be more interested in/distracted by the Mideast.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    China would be nothing without the special deals given to it by the "hostile" foreign policy establishment. They're "hostile" by Beijing's lights or they're "hostile" the way Natalie Portman was about getting a great career.
  124. Steve Turley argues that the Democrat establishment has already given up trying to win in 2020 and is appeasing the activist base by letting all the idealistic far leftists have their time in the spotlight. They probably want to see how the political winds blow on economic policies like free trade before they come back with a business-friendly candidate in 2024.

  125. anon[631] • Disclaimer says:

    “The deep state cannot be overruled, it doesn’t think in terms of nation-states or America’s interests, and right now it’s in love with the AOC line.”

    1) It can 2) partly contradicted by Huawei banning 3) it’s not

    If you don’t think deepstates can be overruled and eventually destroyed, then you should take a look at the country of Turkey. Previously, it was ruled – essentially – by a secular military dictatorship; they’d periodically threaten to overthrow the government (and overrule the people) should it get out of line, particularly in regards to Islamic extremism. However, that unstable system eventually collapsed and the country is now ruled by a guy who demands and gets revotes when the public doesn’t vote his way and openly appeals to conservative Muslim Turks. That’s quite the change. That mostly occurred through demographic changes (along with the original system being inherently unstable from the outset): conservative Turks outbred their liberal rivals, and then replaced them.

    I also suspect there are quite a few white male patriot dogooder Boomers left in the federal bureaucracy who do indeed think in terms of national interests. Otherwise, Huawei wouldn’t have been banned; chip sales to Huawei from greedy American companies are worth lots of money. They think they are doing the right thing, but demographic change is starting to overrule them … just like in Turkey. A generation from now, when that generation passes, and your comment will largely be correct, but it’s not true to say that it is totally true now. The old order is passing, mainly through self-inflicted injury, but there is still some of it left – for now.

    Further, the economic elite despises AOC … and Bernie Sanders, and socialists, and populists, and Donald Trump back when they thought he was an economic populist. The democratic leadership has also conspired to primary and remove AOC in 2020. And have you forgotten how they cheated socialist Bernie Sanders out of the 2016 democratic primary for corporatist Hillary Clinton?

  126. @Jack Hanson
    8 USC 1325 was being prosecuted regularly during the beginning of Trump's term. This made them amenable to a 1326 prosecution next time. This was partly responsible for the trickle that occured after the election. 1326 also carried a stiff and progressive bar to re-entry (5/20/never again).

    Of course, now we don't and here we are.

    Yeah I shouldn’t have phrased it “almost never.” But with a first offense being “not more than 6 months” it is right at the bottom of the priority list.

    Better to say: “It is threatened much more to obtain a voluntary removal than actually prosecuted all the way to trial. ”

    Even more often: getting an illegal who has already been deported on a gun or drug charge and then adding illegal reentry to tack on another 2 or 10 years.

    It is pretty easy for an illegal to avoid getting deported. But a drug addict criminal who reenters and is caught again can get completely slammed with a very long sentence. And they are really easy cases for the AUSA, no complicated “intent” to prove for example.

  127. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    “I have my own idea: $2000 a year, paid to anyone who meets any of these criteria, or has an ancestor who meets any of these criteria.”

    Won’t work. Policy flows from power, and the POC coalition will soon have all the power through demographic change. People (other than whites) do not naturally do things that are clearly against their own individual and group interests, and your plan would be against POC interests because it withholds that money from many of them; envious POC will demand the same that other groups get, regardless of any plan or fact of circumstance. More likely, POC will one day seize the government and continually vote themselves free things until the economy is wrecked, even if they have to resort to outright property theft as in Zimbabwe.

    This is what happens in the decadent stage of a declining empire. All large-scale bonds are dissolved and people resort to tribalism and immediate self-interest/gratification. When challenged, the empire’s various low-trust groups fail to rally and the entity collapses – Persia, Rome, the Soviet Union … and now the United States. I’m reminded of an incident that occurred under Obama. Two American gunships strayed into Iranian waters and were captured without a fight. Of course, with 20/20 hindsight, surrendering may have prevented a war, but I think that’s not the interesting part of this story: These ships, one captained by a female, believed they were in international waters but still surrendered without a fight – cowards. In late stage empires, people don’t go out of their way for the ruling order. Honestly, who want’s to die for a global, faceless multi-ethnic empire (an idea) – family and home, maybe, but that? So, with that in mind, what happens when this empire faces a serious challenge from China? You think they will fight? Perhaps the US collapses like Rome – one huge loss and it just stops being because there are no common bonds anymore.

  128. anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m pretty black-pilled on the fate of the United States. I think I’ll start looking for places to relocate to overseas. Here in the US, on one side we have a group of moralistic, racially motivated incompetents ready to bankrupt the country, and on the other we have a cartoon character president obsessed with destroying Iran and backed up by a legion of Boomer sycophant followers; them along with the Chamber of Commerce types and warmongers like Lindsey Graham who want to secure a Liberal World Order while simultaneously destroying the foundation of that order with continual belligerence.

    It’s clear to me that the opposition to these two sides, what little there is, mostly lacks the necessary intelligence, knowledge base, foresight, and personality type to change substantially the course of things; thus, their idiotic embrace of Andrew Yang and their easily dismissed rationalizations for his UBI*. The rest are either cowards (David French) or in denial:

    “Steve Turley argues that the Democrat establishment has already given up trying to win in 2020…” Don’t count on it. They expect to win. That’s why they are acting so crazy. They don’t think they need votes from normies anymore after stealing the election with immigration. Lol, “Trumpslide”. Don’t count on it. Literally the only thing that could save this country now is if God directly chose me to run things. That’s how bad things are. Take that black pill, baby.

    *Them: UBI will only apply to American citizens, though. Me: What exactly stops Democrats from applying it to everyone once they are in charge? Them: er, uh, er … Democrats, just months later: Let’s open the borders to everyone and give free healthcare (and presumably college and everything else) to everyone, too! Andrew Yang: . It’s clear now after this debate that a democrat congress would force him to expand UBI to include everyone just as with healthcare. That should have been obvious all along. I directly told his supporters this, but nooooo. #yanggang #securethebag. Humans have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.

    • Replies: @Thea
    If you are looking for a new country, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You’re exactly as bad as the Central Americans that come here rather than fix the mess they made at home.
    , @J.Ross
    >Trump is obsessed with destroying Iran
    Okay, you sound like you're really following the news.
  129. @anon
    I'm pretty black-pilled on the fate of the United States. I think I'll start looking for places to relocate to overseas. Here in the US, on one side we have a group of moralistic, racially motivated incompetents ready to bankrupt the country, and on the other we have a cartoon character president obsessed with destroying Iran and backed up by a legion of Boomer sycophant followers; them along with the Chamber of Commerce types and warmongers like Lindsey Graham who want to secure a Liberal World Order while simultaneously destroying the foundation of that order with continual belligerence.

    It's clear to me that the opposition to these two sides, what little there is, mostly lacks the necessary intelligence, knowledge base, foresight, and personality type to change substantially the course of things; thus, their idiotic embrace of Andrew Yang and their easily dismissed rationalizations for his UBI*. The rest are either cowards (David French) or in denial:

    "Steve Turley argues that the Democrat establishment has already given up trying to win in 2020..." Don't count on it. They expect to win. That's why they are acting so crazy. They don't think they need votes from normies anymore after stealing the election with immigration. Lol, "Trumpslide". Don't count on it. Literally the only thing that could save this country now is if God directly chose me to run things. That's how bad things are. Take that black pill, baby.

    *Them: UBI will only apply to American citizens, though. Me: What exactly stops Democrats from applying it to everyone once they are in charge? Them: er, uh, er ... Democrats, just months later: Let's open the borders to everyone and give free healthcare (and presumably college and everything else) to everyone, too! Andrew Yang: . It's clear now after this debate that a democrat congress would force him to expand UBI to include everyone just as with healthcare. That should have been obvious all along. I directly told his supporters this, but nooooo. #yanggang #securethebag. Humans have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.

    If you are looking for a new country, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You’re exactly as bad as the Central Americans that come here rather than fix the mess they made at home.

    • Replies: @Hail

    If you are looking for a new country
     
    Maybe we do need a 'new country.' One (or more) could emerge from some geographic part of the current (rather sick, bloated) entity known as the USA. The Fourth of July is coming up. Independence.
  130. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    “If you are looking for a new country, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You’re exactly as bad as the Central Americans that come here rather than fix the mess they made at home.”

    I tried to save my country from ignorant buffoons, and it didn’t work. I offered real solutions and real plans years in advance. I predicted essentially everything that’s happened so far, and no one listened. It’s not my fault you guys are total morons – closed minded, easily deceived and easily led astray. When the public is that stupid, nothing can be done. You deserve the country you are going to get. And I definitely won’t let the door hit me on my way out. Good riddance. Enjoy your Iran war MIGApede.

    “American companies are fighting tooth and nail to go back to the previous status quo; many of these companies are extremely influential (Apple, Fed-Ex …). I expect these companies to get their way shortly after Trump loses in 2020 because they are the real power in this country.”

    Yep: “US tech companies, including Intel, have found ways around Donald Trump’s ban on doing business with Huawei, shipping millions of dollars worth of products to the company three weeks ago, a report from The New York Times reveals.”

    That’s your country on market-capitalism.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-tech-firms-are-sidestepping-huawei-ban-2019-6

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    I tried to save my country from ignorant buffoons, and it didn’t work. I offered real solutions and real plans years in advance. I predicted essentially everything that’s happened so far, and no one listened. It’s not my fault you guys are total morons – closed minded, easily deceived and easily led astray.
     
    Amen brother.

    When I buy my second passport and renounce, it won't be because I left the United States of America - it will be because the United States of America left me.
  131. @anon
    "If you are looking for a new country, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You’re exactly as bad as the Central Americans that come here rather than fix the mess they made at home."

    I tried to save my country from ignorant buffoons, and it didn't work. I offered real solutions and real plans years in advance. I predicted essentially everything that's happened so far, and no one listened. It's not my fault you guys are total morons - closed minded, easily deceived and easily led astray. When the public is that stupid, nothing can be done. You deserve the country you are going to get. And I definitely won't let the door hit me on my way out. Good riddance. Enjoy your Iran war MIGApede.

    "American companies are fighting tooth and nail to go back to the previous status quo; many of these companies are extremely influential (Apple, Fed-Ex …). I expect these companies to get their way shortly after Trump loses in 2020 because they are the real power in this country."

    Yep: "US tech companies, including Intel, have found ways around Donald Trump's ban on doing business with Huawei, shipping millions of dollars worth of products to the company three weeks ago, a report from The New York Times reveals."

    That's your country on market-capitalism.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-tech-firms-are-sidestepping-huawei-ban-2019-6

    I tried to save my country from ignorant buffoons, and it didn’t work. I offered real solutions and real plans years in advance. I predicted essentially everything that’s happened so far, and no one listened. It’s not my fault you guys are total morons – closed minded, easily deceived and easily led astray.

    Amen brother.

    When I buy my second passport and renounce, it won’t be because I left the United States of America – it will be because the United States of America left me.

  132. @Thea
    If you are looking for a new country, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You’re exactly as bad as the Central Americans that come here rather than fix the mess they made at home.

    If you are looking for a new country

    Maybe we do need a ‘new country.’ One (or more) could emerge from some geographic part of the current (rather sick, bloated) entity known as the USA. The Fourth of July is coming up. Independence.

  133. @eah
    https://twitter.com/Blair_A_Nathan/status/1144671894991491072

  134. @Paleo Liberal
    Guaranteed income is not compatible with open borders.

    I have my own idea:

    $2000 a year, paid to anyone who meets any of these criteria, or has an ancestor who meets any of these criteria.

    1. You had ancestors in the US on July 4, 1776

    2. You have any provable ancestors who were the aboriginal people of any state or territory. That includes Indians, Eskimos, Kanaka, Aleutian Islanders, Samoans in American Samoa, etc.

    3. Your ancestors were in any state or territory when it became part of the US. So AOC gets in because her ancestors were in PR in 1898. So do a lot of Chinese in Hawaii.

    4. Any of your ancestors were legal slaves or indentured servants before the 13th Amendment was passed. Michelle Obama gets in now. So does Oprah.

    5. You or any of your ancestors served in combat or were honorably discharged from any American or Confederate armed forces. CSA soldiers are, by federal law, to be treated the same as USA soldiers, like it or not. Obama gets in because his grandfather fought in WW II. Daniel Inoue’s descendants get in too.

    6. You or one of your ancestors performed some great service to the country. This can be defined later. For example, in order to get doctors or teachers to work in some remote areas, we can give them and their descendants income rights.

    Not a perfect plan, partly because of fraud potential. It’s a start.

    #4 and #5 would ensure almost any white family that was present in the country before 1865 would be given the payout.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Almost any family of any color before 1865.

    Also, the vast majority of families through at least WW II and possibly later.
  135. @GeologyAnon
    #4 and #5 would ensure almost any white family that was present in the country before 1865 would be given the payout.

    Almost any family of any color before 1865.

    Also, the vast majority of families through at least WW II and possibly later.

  136. @Anonymous
    Most of the foreign policy establishment, both the liberal internationalist types and neocons, have been hostile to China. It's just before Trump they tended to prefer being more subtle and behind the scenes about it. Also the neocons tended to be more interested in/distracted by the Mideast.

    China would be nothing without the special deals given to it by the “hostile” foreign policy establishment. They’re “hostile” by Beijing’s lights or they’re “hostile” the way Natalie Portman was about getting a great career.

  137. @anon
    I'm pretty black-pilled on the fate of the United States. I think I'll start looking for places to relocate to overseas. Here in the US, on one side we have a group of moralistic, racially motivated incompetents ready to bankrupt the country, and on the other we have a cartoon character president obsessed with destroying Iran and backed up by a legion of Boomer sycophant followers; them along with the Chamber of Commerce types and warmongers like Lindsey Graham who want to secure a Liberal World Order while simultaneously destroying the foundation of that order with continual belligerence.

    It's clear to me that the opposition to these two sides, what little there is, mostly lacks the necessary intelligence, knowledge base, foresight, and personality type to change substantially the course of things; thus, their idiotic embrace of Andrew Yang and their easily dismissed rationalizations for his UBI*. The rest are either cowards (David French) or in denial:

    "Steve Turley argues that the Democrat establishment has already given up trying to win in 2020..." Don't count on it. They expect to win. That's why they are acting so crazy. They don't think they need votes from normies anymore after stealing the election with immigration. Lol, "Trumpslide". Don't count on it. Literally the only thing that could save this country now is if God directly chose me to run things. That's how bad things are. Take that black pill, baby.

    *Them: UBI will only apply to American citizens, though. Me: What exactly stops Democrats from applying it to everyone once they are in charge? Them: er, uh, er ... Democrats, just months later: Let's open the borders to everyone and give free healthcare (and presumably college and everything else) to everyone, too! Andrew Yang: . It's clear now after this debate that a democrat congress would force him to expand UBI to include everyone just as with healthcare. That should have been obvious all along. I directly told his supporters this, but nooooo. #yanggang #securethebag. Humans have a remarkable capacity for self-deception.

    >Trump is obsessed with destroying Iran
    Okay, you sound like you’re really following the news.

  138. @vinteuil
    So it's now the Democrat consensus that anybody showing up at the border must be waved through, no questions asked. Those with a child in tow must not be tested for blood relationship with that child. All must receive free healthcare. If they are black, they must receive reparations for slavery. If they are black or Hispanic, they must receive affirmative action preferences.

    And anybody who thinks that the elites want to replace native born whites is an evil racist conspiracy theorist.

    So it’s now the Democrat consensus that anybody showing up at the border must be waved through, no questions asked. Those with a child in tow must not be tested for blood relationship with that child. All must receive free healthcare. If they are black, they must receive reparations for slavery. If they are black or Hispanic, they must receive affirmative action preferences.

    And anybody who thinks that the elites want to replace native born whites is an evil racist conspiracy theorist.

    LOL. Well and pithily said.

    Where’s Trump? I can only hope it’s that he just wants to give them rope. But unfortunately President Kushner seems to be ok with about half of this as well.

  139. @jim jones
    My neighbour is eighty-two and has been hitting the cigarettes for sixty years, he can run rings around me.

    And my good friend died at age 57 — despite always being thin and walking regularly — after smoking tobacco heavily from his teens.

    You do understand the concept of an average, right?

  140. https://www.unz.com/video/reasontv_dave-barry-is-running-for-president-again/

    Dave Barry Is Running for President (Again)

    Published on Jul 1, 2019
    America’s favorite libertarian humorist on fake news, Florida, getting woke, and getting old.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  141. @Alfa158
    Virginia is the only one of those states that might possibly go to Trump. All states are gradually going to purple then to blue. I think he can eke out one last win in Texas for the Republicans, but with his 2016 voters demoralized, he will have trouble holding Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio.
    I’m sorry, but Trump winning any of those other states is science fiction. Here in California the general election races for statewide and US Senate offices are mostly two Democrats running against each other.

    did you notice no one responds to you! Hahhaaa you guys are such gutless wonders! How do you sleep at night? I want all of you and your kids to experience socialism at its real endgame – you American men who are so-called Progressives, are pussies who would die immediately. Think about your god-given kids, asshole – join the mvmt against the CB and totalitarianism. Your worries about T are so fucking pathetic, just like you: You are a Pathetic Tool who has no game for anything…bc you need your paycheck….am I right? of course, I am right.

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