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Going back to before the Larry Summers’ whoop-tee-do in 2005, I’ve been pointing out that the three hard science Nobels deserve admiration for not caving in to our culture’s demands for diversity. The media, in contrast, mostly ignored it the demographics of Nobel winners because the prestige of the Nobels might undermine the Narrative.

This year, however, the NobelsSoWhiteMale mindset finally kicked in. For example, from Scientific American:

Once Again, No Female Nobel Winners in Science

Including the zero honored this year, there have been just 17 in the history of the prizes. Why so terribly few?
By Christophe André on October 4, 2017

Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria.

Teh-Genius Coates has FDR’s redlining 80 years ago as his all-purpose explanation for African American underperformance (such as Coates’ writings), but now we’ve got an even more antiquarian excuse: Hypatia! Of course, Scientific American’s math is off by about 900 years. Hypatia died in 415 A.D, which was 1,602 years ago, not “nearly 2,500 years ago.” (But who can keep BCE and CE straight?)

Similarly, from Slate:

Nobel Prizes Should Reward Science, Not Scientists
The current system has a long history of sexism and racism. Reforming the prizes requires reinvention.

By Devang Mehta

… This brings me to my second objection: the fact that the prizes have a long history of sexism and racism. Every high-school and undergraduate biology student has heard of Francis Crick and James Watson, the Nobel Prize–winning discoverers of the structure of DNA. How many know that their work was possible only due to data collected by Rosalind Franklin, a more meticulous scientist whose data was shared with the prize-winners without her permission? Franklin was never even nominated for the prize.

Well, she died in spring 1958, more than 4 years before Crick and Watson’s Nobel Prize, and the rules for Nobels say they can’t be posthumous awards. Anyway, I’d say we’re rapidly approaching the point at which more high school students have heard about Rosalind Franklin as the “Real Discoverer of DNA” than those horrible racist sexist frauds Crick and Watson.

The Absurdity of the Nobel Prizes in Science
They distort the nature of the scientific enterprise, rewrite its history, and overlook many of its most important contributors.

ED YONG OCT 3, 2017

… Rubin and Franklin point to another longstanding issue with the Nobels. In as much as they propagate the myth of the lone genius, that lone genius is almost always white and male. Women have won just 12 of the 214 prizes in physiology or medicine, just 4 of the 175 prizes in chemistry, and just 2 of the 204 prizes in physics. The most recent female physics laureate, Maria Goeppert Mayer, won her prize 54 years ago.

 
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  1. Has anybody inquired of Leonard Pitts his opinion re this injustice?

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Has anybody inquired of Leonard Pitts his opinion re this injustice?
     
    Not that I know of. And those verysmartbrothas.com? Crickets.
    , @MBlanc46
    He’s crying a river.
  2. There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don’t know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn’t let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It’s stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    • Replies: @Amasius

    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago.

     

    Great movie. If you want to understand our current descent into darkness, take a look at how it happened the first time. Intolerance, fanaticism, iconoclasm, Semitism. The movie makes a nice companion piece/follow-up to Gore Vidal's Julian.
    , @Travis
    good point...in many measures of quality of life women do better...women live longer, work less and spend more money than men..They are less likely to be incarcerated, raped, or murdered than males...they are more likely to attend college and less likely to be autistic, retarded, or disabled...

    women are less happy than men, twice as likely to take antidepressants and other medications. As more and more females embraced feminism the life satisfaction of women falls lower and lower. While the average women wants to be married with children our culture now demeans feminine traits as it promotes feminism and denigrates femininity. Why does the media and government forces want more women to study STEM fields and play sports ? Why not promote Home economics and cooking classes to help women become more attractive mates and thus better able to attract a successful husband.
    , @John Derbyshire
    "Pretty good"? Feugh.
    , @Pat Boyle
    The movie "Agora' is interesting but has at it's heart a hilarious flaw.

    The star of the film is Rachel Weisz, a real Hollywood star. She is married to Daniel Craig (James Bond). So she is authentic movie town royalty. This is relevant because you usually see high brow films with an agenda (celebrating female scientists) produced with lesser quality actors and sets.

    The sets and special effects are also top drawer. The virtual camera swoops over a very plausible ancient city. The costuming also appears authentic as far as I can tell.

    But the one item that should be correct is hideously wrong. As I remember for most of the movie they worry about the reason that it is warmer in summer and cooler in winter. Finally Hypatia - the female genius, solves this problem in the final reel. The film also has a post drama title explaining just how brilliant Hypatia was for figuring this out.

    But the 'solution' to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farter away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer. That, of course, is nonsense. I think every public school student in about the fifth grade learns about the globe's axial tilt.

    , @HunInTheSun
    Proponents of Hypatia as a victim of White Male Christendom need to know that her work likely disappeared when Muslims conquered Egypt and burned the Library of Alexandria.
    , @WokelyCarmichael
    A historian of the period did a pretty thorough takedown of that movie, and of the Gibbon-esque bad history it contained (an atheist, no less, so no dog in the fight):

    https://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/05/agora-and-hypatia-hollywood-strikes.html

    https://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2010/05/hypatia-and-agora-redux.html

    Hypatia was collateral damage in an utterly moronic knock-down drag-out political fight, and shouldn't be remembered as an example of anything besides why you shouldn't use out-of-town mobs to muscle people.
  3. To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob, fish, Escher
    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    "In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one."

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT

    , @Sane Left Libertarian

    Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award
     
    I think you mean Diversity & Inclusion. Or maybe both
    , @neprof
    Or have a Nobel Prize for making the best sandwich.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40.
     
    Great idea, although it might descend into wearing swimwear in order to garner more likability votes... Oh wait! We already have that contest. It's called Miss Universe--most likable woman.
    , @Olorin
    Part of the award ceremony would involve the recipient standing on a table and rotating to everyone's view a handlettered sign reading UNION.
  4. This year’s prize winner Rainer Weiss is an immigrant and refugee, but i guess the wrong kind of refugee.

  5. You would think he’d have at least thought to himself, “Funny how there’s a Bishop of Alexandria 500 years before Christ’s birth.” Credentialed, not educated.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Beat me to it.

    Of course maybe Hypatia invented time travel.
  6. Clock Boy was robbed.

    • LOL: bomag
  7. Harrison Bergeron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron), like 1984, is increasingly viewed as an instruction manual rather than a cautionary tale.

  8. Rosalind Franklin in no way deserved a Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA. Granted, she was a good technician, and took good photos of what it turned out to be the DNA molecule, but she held those photos for years and couldn’t figure it out what it really was. It took Watson just seconds after seeing the photos to realize this was the long expected molecule. Moreover, she held those photos for other scientists to see for a long time, violating standard scientific ethics that you show what you discovered to other scientists (especially if you are unable to find what it was)

    • Replies: @JW
    Lots of scientists hold onto their results for years. The modern trend of publishing anything and everything is recent.
    , @james wilson
    When Watson and Crick showed her their theory of the DNA design, Franklin critically examined the model, declared it to be sound, and left. She had not a thought they had lifted it from her photos, demonstrating that the structure had never been even a glimmer in her mind.

    Einstein, among others, held the opinion that all great scientific breakthroughs are the result of a bold guess. That is a very male characteristic.
  9. It’s especially funny that they included “bishop” and “2,500 years ago” in the same thought.

    • Replies: @Tracy

    It’s especially funny that they included “bishop” and “2,500 years ago” in the same thought.
     
    Especially since the Bishop in question -- St. Cyril -- didn't order Hypatia's death in the first place. People love to make up crap about anything Catholic.
    , @Shitposter
    It would be giving him too much credit to call that a "thought."
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One more proof of white male privilege, don’t you know?

    As for Rosy, it’s really simple: She would have most definitely got Nobel if she were alive. She deserved it a lot more than Wilkins. Still, it should be remembered that her truly invaluable contribution was of the technical rather than intellectual nature. She made great samples that gave good data but she did not fully understand what the data indicate. In contrast, a self-taught amateur crystallographer Crick did understand what the nature of the data (i.e., symmetry spacegroup) imply.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn't get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn't seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin's name being brought up in comments all the time.

  11. Anyway, I’d say were rapidly approaching the point at which more high school students have heard about Rosalind Franklin as the Real Discoverer of DNA.

    Do you suppose they’ve heard about Hypatia, that Real Egyptian, too?

  12. Phew!For a couple decades there I thought Kip Thorne might not make it to the finish line.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    JimB wrote:

    Phew!For a couple decades there I thought Kip Thorne might not make it to the finish line.
     
    I've got you beat: I took General Relativity from Kip in the '75-'76 academic year and remember talking with him about detecting gravitational waves -- I did not think it could be done.

    I'm glad he proved me wrong.

    He's the third of my professors to win the Nobel: the other two being Feynman and Steve Weinberg. Incidentally, while all Nobelists in natural science are, of course, bright guys, what I most noticed was that these guys worked very, very hard.

    I'll also add that while I could name a number of people in academic physics who are real jerks, Kip is not among them. Kip was a very open, friendly guy, eager to engage with undergrads, and motivated by a real love of science.

    Congratulations, Kip!
  13. Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria.

    Of course, as Steve already noted, the date is quite incorrect, but there’s also the matter of calling her an Egyptian…..Greek/Greco-Egyptian would be more precise, but I’m guessing that the writer is trying to paint her as some kind of Woman of Color….

    And there’s also the question of why anyone should bother to remember her; no one’s quite certain what Hypatia actually did. None of her works survive, and the best that her admirers can do is argue that she contributed to the work of her father, Theon:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia#Works

    All things considered, I wouldn’t put her alongside fellows like Archimedes and Diophantus….

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    @syonredux The wrong date and the wrong race go together here - 2500 years ago was just before Greeks conquered Egypt. Though we'd still have that anachronistic "Bishop" causing problems. Maybe some version of Fomenko's New Chronology can fix things.
    , @Opinionator
    Was the bishop Egyptian?
    , @Jim
    Hypatia was indeed Greek, the daughter of Theon. It's true that none of her works survive but she was admired by her contemporaries and wrote a highly regarded commentary on Diophantus. In general our knowledge of Hellenistic mathematicians is often very slight. None of Perseus' works for example survive although the descriptions of them by contemporaries are fascinating.

    To be sure on the basis of the extant documentation it would be ridiculous to compare her with Archimedes or Diophantus. (Actually after Archimedes, Apollonius of Perga was the greatest of the Greek mathematicians.) However I don't doubt that Hypatia was a highly intelligent and deeply learned person.
  14. Maybe the Nobel Prize Commitee should requisition some dynamite and blow themselves up.

  15. Awarding science not scientists? Great idea!

    We should skip the rigmarole and award the next Nobel in physics to Hillary Clinton.

  16. Kip Thorne’s personal background is rather interesting:

    <blockquote>Thorne was born in Logan, Utah on June 1, 1940, the son of Utah State University professors D. Wynne Thorne and Alison (née Comish) Thorne, an agronomist and an economist, respectively.[10] Raised in an academic environment, two of his four siblings also became professors.[11][12] Thorne’s parents were members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) and raised Thorne in the LDS faith, though he now describes himself as atheist. Regarding his views on science and religion, Thorne has stated: “There are large numbers of my finest colleagues who are quite devout and believe in God […] There is no fundamental incompatibility between science and religion. I happen to not believe in God.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Thorne

  17. @Anonymous
    One more proof of white male privilege, don't you know?

    As for Rosy, it's really simple: She would have most definitely got Nobel if she were alive. She deserved it a lot more than Wilkins. Still, it should be remembered that her truly invaluable contribution was of the technical rather than intellectual nature. She made great samples that gave good data but she did not fully understand what the data indicate. In contrast, a self-taught amateur crystallographer Crick did understand what the nature of the data (i.e., symmetry spacegroup) imply.

    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn’t get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn’t seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin’s name being brought up in comments all the time.

    • Replies: @Erik L
    That is probably pretty common. It's been a long time since science was an individual effort. The problem is that the prestige of the prize is based on its rarity.

    It seems like the simple solution for the woke crowd is to realize that the Nobel prize is illegitimate and just everyone stop being impressed by it. They would learn some guy won the Nobel for physics and respond, oh you mean the prize for white male physics? Big deal. You want to impress me win the physics prize against everyone else in the world!
    , @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    I believe that the explanation of the Big Bang by the Princeton physicists was preceded by that of George Gamow in a paper with his student Ralph Alpher (and facetiously listing Hans Bethe as a coauthor). This work was discussed by Gamow in one of his popular books well before the Princeton team. Surprisingly enough, the Princeton group appeared to be honestly unaware of Gamow's work.

    The actual germ of the Big Bang theory seems to have arisen from the work of Father Lemaitre well before any of them.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel...
     
    ? !
    , @Mr. Anon

    But there doesn’t seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin’s name being brought up in comments all the time.
     
    There was also this guy (also no diversity angle):

    Douglas Prasher
  18. Kip Thorne’s going to be able to charge more for his Hollywood consulting now.

  19. My prediction: A Nobel Prize will be awarded to some pseudo-scientist for his/her/its work on transgenderism.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    My prediction: A Nobel Prize will be awarded to some pseudo-scientist for his/her/its work on transgenderism.

     

    How about a Medicine Prize to the tireless surgeons?
    , @Half Canadian
    Hey, they gave a Nobel for lobotomies, why shouldn't they have another screw up?
  20. Maybe the Nobels arent caving in with the hard sciences but they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    • Replies: @JerryC
    The Peace Prize has always been bullshit.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Peace prize is awarded by a bunch of sniveling, genocide-loving Norwegians.

    The hard prizes are awarded by Sweden.
    , @Pericles

    they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

     

    It's not even the worst Peace Prize. But they try, one presumes.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    It is only fitting that the first affirmative action President of the USA should also have been the first affirmative action winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.
  21. @syonredux

    Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria.
     
    Of course, as Steve already noted, the date is quite incorrect, but there's also the matter of calling her an Egyptian.....Greek/Greco-Egyptian would be more precise, but I'm guessing that the writer is trying to paint her as some kind of Woman of Color....

    And there's also the question of why anyone should bother to remember her; no one's quite certain what Hypatia actually did. None of her works survive, and the best that her admirers can do is argue that she contributed to the work of her father, Theon:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia#Works

    All things considered, I wouldn't put her alongside fellows like Archimedes and Diophantus....

    The wrong date and the wrong race go together here – 2500 years ago was just before Greeks conquered Egypt. Though we’d still have that anachronistic “Bishop” causing problems. Maybe some version of Fomenko’s New Chronology can fix things.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Well, a "bishop" is an overseer (episcopos). So with some more dodgy time-traveling perhaps it is the Egyptian overseer killed by Moses?
  22. “White Men Win 9 of 9” Are their staffs White or East/South Asian? Answer that and you will see the future. What is the sex ratio?

    Another curiosity is high paying internet industry sucking the talent out of every other field. I wonder how that plays out.

  23. @syonredux

    Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria.
     
    Of course, as Steve already noted, the date is quite incorrect, but there's also the matter of calling her an Egyptian.....Greek/Greco-Egyptian would be more precise, but I'm guessing that the writer is trying to paint her as some kind of Woman of Color....

    And there's also the question of why anyone should bother to remember her; no one's quite certain what Hypatia actually did. None of her works survive, and the best that her admirers can do is argue that she contributed to the work of her father, Theon:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia#Works

    All things considered, I wouldn't put her alongside fellows like Archimedes and Diophantus....

    Was the bishop Egyptian?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Was the bishop Egyptian?
     
    Cyril of Alexandria? Dunno. I would tend to assume that he was from the same Greco-Egyptian cultural background as Hypatia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria
  24. @Steve Sailer
    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn't get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn't seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin's name being brought up in comments all the time.

    That is probably pretty common. It’s been a long time since science was an individual effort. The problem is that the prestige of the prize is based on its rarity.

    It seems like the simple solution for the woke crowd is to realize that the Nobel prize is illegitimate and just everyone stop being impressed by it. They would learn some guy won the Nobel for physics and respond, oh you mean the prize for white male physics? Big deal. You want to impress me win the physics prize against everyone else in the world!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That is probably pretty common. It’s been a long time since science was an individual effort. The problem is that the prestige of the prize is based on its rarity.
     
    The PRL paper announcing the discovery of gravitational waves (for which discovery, the Nobel Prize in physics was awarded today) had a few hundred authors:

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.061102

    If the Nobel were awarded to all of them, they'd each only get a few thousand bucks apiece. And, as you point out, the award would not have nearly as much prestige as it does.
  25. Hypatia Lee hasn’t been stoned since she stopped doing pr0n in the 1980s.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Sarah Silverman, singing to porn stars: "Do you ever take drugs so that you can have sex without crying?"
    , @Pat Boyle
    Michael Mann the author of the infamous "Hockey Stick" graph cites himself as a Nobel Prize winner. He, of course, never won an individual prize in any science. He bases his claim on The IPCC and Al Gore being awarded the Peace Prize. Mann is a member of the IPCC, along with hundreds of others, so he now has enhanced his resume and articles with the claim that he is a Nobel Laureate.
    , @Dahlia
    Good God, Whiskey! I have no idea what you're going on about, but it's always entertaining
  26. For the curious:

    Physics:

    Kip Thorne: Atheist of Mormon background

    Rainer “Rai” Weiss: German born. Mother was a Christian, father was a Jewish communist

    Barry Barish: Parents were Polish Jews

    Chemistry:

    Jacques Dubochet: Dunno. WIKIPEDIA simply noted that he’s Swiss

    Joachim Frank : Dunno. WKP simply says that he’s German

    Richard Henderson: Dunno. WKP simply says that he’s Scots

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Instead of changing your username to "syonredux" you could have changed it to "Wikipedia".
    , @TipTipTopKek
    So what you're saying is, Steve's headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.
  27. Hypatia!

    Liberals (and atheists — she is a favorite of atheists) have been going on about her forever!

    For an excellent rundown of the real story of Hypatia, you can’t do better than Michael Flynn’s short essay:

    http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2015/02/hypatia-part-i-mean-streets-of-old.html

  28. I have a feeling that in another year or two, the Nobel Prize is going to turn into the Black Oscars fiasco, where you’d better gibsmedat or you a racist who deserves to be robbed and stoned to death.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    In this regard, the best thing about the Nobel is everyone is moaning and complaining that they didn't get awarded.
    , @Dan23
    Imagine a research lab operation where the hard science is being done by people behind the scenes, and then is handed off to a team of African "scientists" who present it. That's likely to be the Oscars outcome political equivalent for possible Nobel level science in the future.
  29. The desperation among journalist types for female icons in STEM is downright pathetic.

    I happen to get Technology Review, the magazine put out by MIT.

    On the latest cover, it features the article “Meeting Tech’s Rising Stars”. A young woman is pictured on that cover, and the caption is, “Software engineer Tracy Chou is one of 35 innovators under 35 who are shaping the future of technology”.

    So I open to the article, wondering what this young woman’s stupendous contribution to technology might be that she is selected, from all the talent at MIT, to assume this prominent role.

    Here’s her story. She was an engineer at Pinterest. But “I had serious questions about whether I was going to say in tech. And I really thought the problem was me.” She heard Sheryl Sandberg at Facebook say that the number of women in technology was dropping. “I didn’t think she was wrong,” Chou said. “But I also thought: How does she know? There are no numbers. I knew there was a problem.”

    Chou’s huge innovative contribution is that she then wrote a post on Medium titled, “Where are the numbers?” The post went viral. Diversity numbers apparently then got produced from various large tech firms.

    THAT was the sum total of her contribution to technology.

    Yes, really.

    As I said, the media is desperate and pathetic.

    And frankly, I’m not sure that any technology magazine is worse this way than Technology Review.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is damaging. Nothing is worse than being weighed down with unreasonable expectations. There was an article years ago, about a bright East Asian kid who had done a reasonably good science fair display placard: the title of the article was "X-Year-Old Chinese American Girl Cures Cancer."
  30. I’m tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where’s the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I’m black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I’m tired of this BS.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Most people don't really know how hard doing something extraordinary in the sciences really is. They have bought into the BS that "you can be anything you want to be" so they actually think that anybody can get a PhD in mathematics if they truly wanted one. It is far worse with people with non-science degrees and we are getting boatloads of them. They want to believe they are just as smart as the guys in the physics classes that they had to drop out of and could do what they did but just decided not to.

    I say this as a mediocre math/engineering major who made a decent living and retired early but was light years away from doing anything extraordinary in either math or engineering.

    , @anon

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?
     
    Very depressing. Although removing waste seems more tangibly awful -- at least superficially.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I’m black.
     
    You're not just black, you're awesome, dude.
    , @Anon
    The world could use more black people like you.

    Some places, like Africa and America, need it desperately.
    , @PhysicistDave
    sondjata wrote:

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.
     
    Can anyone recall any blacks who won Nobels in natural science?

    Offhand, I can think of one person "of Spanish surname" who won in physics: Luis Alvarez. I met Luis once and had a chance to chat with him-- a very bright and very pleasant guy. Aside from his work in physics that won him the Nobel, Luis also worked with his son, the geologist Walter Alvarez, on the work that showed the link between the asteroid hit and the K-T extinction.There are probably other Hispanic Nobel laureates.

    And, of course, there are a number of Asian.
  31. Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males. I’m guessing no one in the mainstream media is going to write an essay drawing attention to that. Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.
    Nobelist in science generally get them at the end of a long career. It will be interesting to see if 20 years from now we start seeing a higher ratio of Asians winning.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.
     
    True. Which makes it all the more funny that WN morons insist Jews are not white.
    , @syonredux

    Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males.
     
    For physics, it's either one out of three, or two out of three, depending on how you count Rainer “Rai” Weiss (Christian mother, Jewish father).

    For chemistry, I don't have any solid data, but there's a strong possibility that all three are non-Jewish.

    For medicine/physiology: I believe that the score is two Jews, one non-Jew.

  32. @syonredux
    For the curious:

    Physics:

    Kip Thorne: Atheist of Mormon background

    Rainer "Rai" Weiss: German born. Mother was a Christian, father was a Jewish communist

    Barry Barish: Parents were Polish Jews

    Chemistry:

    Jacques Dubochet: Dunno. WIKIPEDIA simply noted that he's Swiss

    Joachim Frank : Dunno. WKP simply says that he's German


    Richard Henderson: Dunno. WKP simply says that he's Scots

    Instead of changing your username to “syonredux” you could have changed it to “Wikipedia”.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Instead of changing your username to “syonredux” you could have changed it to “Wikipedia”.
     
    "Syonredux" is more euphonious .
  33. Of course, white men won 9 out of 9. White variance is very high, and so the ‘median’ white performance is not very meaningful.

    Whites can easily be bifurcated in two groups of unequal size (the lower group being much smaller). Hence, the hierarchy of talent/brains/character across the races is :

    Talented, quality whites
    Asians (East and South)
    Hispanics
    Blacks
    Untalented, loser whites.

    The lower group comprises of the true dregs of society. The men become WNs, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Hence, the very top will always have a high representation of whites, but the wastebasket whites have zero in common with them.

    • Troll: BB753
    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.
  34. @Andy
    Rosalind Franklin in no way deserved a Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA. Granted, she was a good technician, and took good photos of what it turned out to be the DNA molecule, but she held those photos for years and couldn't figure it out what it really was. It took Watson just seconds after seeing the photos to realize this was the long expected molecule. Moreover, she held those photos for other scientists to see for a long time, violating standard scientific ethics that you show what you discovered to other scientists (especially if you are unable to find what it was)

    Lots of scientists hold onto their results for years. The modern trend of publishing anything and everything is recent.

  35. @Opinionator
    Was the bishop Egyptian?

    Was the bishop Egyptian?

    Cyril of Alexandria? Dunno. I would tend to assume that he was from the same Greco-Egyptian cultural background as Hypatia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria

  36. @Alfa158
    Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males. I'm guessing no one in the mainstream media is going to write an essay drawing attention to that. Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.
    Nobelist in science generally get them at the end of a long career. It will be interesting to see if 20 years from now we start seeing a higher ratio of Asians winning.

    Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.

    True. Which makes it all the more funny that WN morons insist Jews are not white.

    • Replies: @Moshe
    Why would Jews want to be considered "White" ?

    I mean you say it like it's unfair that some people don't consider Jews white!

    They are honored by Our presence. We however require theirs like they require blacks - as worker bees.
  37. @Dave Pinsen
    Instead of changing your username to "syonredux" you could have changed it to "Wikipedia".

    Instead of changing your username to “syonredux” you could have changed it to “Wikipedia”.

    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    • Replies: @Anonym
    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphonious

    1. Pleasant-sounding; agreeable to the ear; possessing or demonstrating euphony.
     
    (Lol)
  38. @JMcG
    You would think he’d have at least thought to himself, “Funny how there’s a Bishop of Alexandria 500 years before Christ’s birth.” Credentialed, not educated.

    Beat me to it.

    Of course maybe Hypatia invented time travel.

  39. @Tony
    Maybe the Nobels arent caving in with the hard sciences but they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    The Peace Prize has always been bullshit.

  40. “Of course, Scientific American’s math is off by about 900 years. Hypatia died in 415 A.D, which was 1,602 years ago, not “nearly 2,500 years ago.” (But who can keep BCE and CE straight?)”

    I did the math for them.

  41. @Alfa158
    Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males. I'm guessing no one in the mainstream media is going to write an essay drawing attention to that. Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.
    Nobelist in science generally get them at the end of a long career. It will be interesting to see if 20 years from now we start seeing a higher ratio of Asians winning.

    Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males.

    For physics, it’s either one out of three, or two out of three, depending on how you count Rainer “Rai” Weiss (Christian mother, Jewish father).

    For chemistry, I don’t have any solid data, but there’s a strong possibility that all three are non-Jewish.

    For medicine/physiology: I believe that the score is two Jews, one non-Jew.

    • Replies: @Beene
    Their Jewishness is not relevant, since they don't make micro-aggressive comments in NY Times articles that make Steve cry.
  42. Are Jews ‘white’? I can’t tell anymore with all this flight-from-white business.

    They say they are, aren’t.

    Which one is it?

  43. @sondjata
    I'm tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where's the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I'm black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I'm tired of this BS.

    Most people don’t really know how hard doing something extraordinary in the sciences really is. They have bought into the BS that “you can be anything you want to be” so they actually think that anybody can get a PhD in mathematics if they truly wanted one. It is far worse with people with non-science degrees and we are getting boatloads of them. They want to believe they are just as smart as the guys in the physics classes that they had to drop out of and could do what they did but just decided not to.

    I say this as a mediocre math/engineering major who made a decent living and retired early but was light years away from doing anything extraordinary in either math or engineering.

    • Agree: Abe, Frau Katze
    • Replies: @22pp22
    I hear you bro!

    In my forties, I did geology because I would rather be a second-rate geologist than a third-rate chemist.

    I actually don't work, but that's because I inherited enough to start buying property in New Zealand. I could then reinvest the capital gain from urban properties in rural towns where percentage rent returns are higher.

    Before that I was a lecturer in Asian studies. That did require becoming competent in modern and ancient Asian languages, so my arts degree is harder than most, but it simply doesn't compare to physics or maths.

    I have enough maths from my geology degree to tutor one or two gifted kids. One of them understood in thirty minutes what it took me three months to comprehend.
  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    From iSteve reader Roger Schlafly:

    http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2017/10/nobel-prize-for-gravitational-waves.html

    These articles cannot resist making all about Einstein. But Einstein did not really believe in the geometry of space-time, or in black holes, or in the Big Bang, or in gravitational waves.

    You might say: “Who cares what Einstein believed? His equations imply those things, whether he believed in them or not.”

    I would not say that they are his equations. Grossmann and Levi-Civita convinced him to use the Ricci tensor, and the equation is Ricci=0. Einstein’s contribution was minor.

    Einstein is mainly famous because he is credited for special relativity, and the only reason he is credited for that is that supposedly Lorentz and Poincare had some faulty beliefs about the interpretation of the equations. Everyone agrees that Lorentz and Poincare had all the equations before Einstein. So if the credit is based on who had the equations, not who have the proper beliefs, then Einstein should get no credit for special relativity. (I say that Einstein was the one with the faulty beliefs about special relativity, but most ppl do not agree with me on that point.)

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    Does Schlafly also argue that the builder of the Roman Pantheon was unremarkable because he invented neither concrete nor the domed roof?

    Lots of work is overrated. Einstein's is not.
    , @Jim
    I wouldn't debunk Einstein's contributions but it's true that the basic ideas of special relativity were "in the air" although somewhat murky. I would say that Minkowski was the first who really understood what had happened. There was an indefinite quadratic form in the space-time variables that played a fundamental role in the description of reality similar to the role played in classical physics and geometry by the Euclidean positive definite quadratic form. Special relativity is essentially the invariant theory of Minkowski's quadratic form.

    Minkowski's paper on special relativity was published just shortly before his death and it's the only paper he ever published on physics. However without question he was the greatest authority on quadratic forms in his life-time and in the history of quadratic forms he is right up there with Gauss, Fermat, Eisenstein etc.

    By the way Einstein's study of Brownian motion was an important milestone in the development of the mathematical theory of stochastic processes. His work on the photoelectric effect was the earliest quantum theory after Planck.
  45. @syonredux

    Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria.
     
    Of course, as Steve already noted, the date is quite incorrect, but there's also the matter of calling her an Egyptian.....Greek/Greco-Egyptian would be more precise, but I'm guessing that the writer is trying to paint her as some kind of Woman of Color....

    And there's also the question of why anyone should bother to remember her; no one's quite certain what Hypatia actually did. None of her works survive, and the best that her admirers can do is argue that she contributed to the work of her father, Theon:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia#Works

    All things considered, I wouldn't put her alongside fellows like Archimedes and Diophantus....

    Hypatia was indeed Greek, the daughter of Theon. It’s true that none of her works survive but she was admired by her contemporaries and wrote a highly regarded commentary on Diophantus. In general our knowledge of Hellenistic mathematicians is often very slight. None of Perseus’ works for example survive although the descriptions of them by contemporaries are fascinating.

    To be sure on the basis of the extant documentation it would be ridiculous to compare her with Archimedes or Diophantus. (Actually after Archimedes, Apollonius of Perga was the greatest of the Greek mathematicians.) However I don’t doubt that Hypatia was a highly intelligent and deeply learned person.

    • Replies: @Jim
    Actually none of the work of Eudoxus has survived. We have to rely on accounts of his work written hundreds of years later to assess his role in the history of Greek mathematics.
    , @syonredux
    As I said, her legacy seems rather exiguous:

    There is no evidence that Hypatia undertook original mathematical research. However she assisted her father Theon of Alexandria in writing his eleven part commentary on Ptolemy's Almagest Ⓣ. It is also thought that she also assisted her father in producing a new version of Euclid's Elements which has become the basis for all later editions of Euclid. Heath writes of Theon and Hypatia's edition of the Elements [4]:-
    .. while making only inconsiderable additions to the content of the "Elements", he endeavoured to remove difficulties that might be felt by learners in studying the book, as a modern editor might do in editing a classical text-book for use in schools; and there is no doubt that his edition was approved by his pupils at Alexandria for whom it was written, as well as by later Greeks who used it almost exclusively...
    In addition to the joint work with her father, we are informed by Suidas that Hypatia wrote commentaries on Diophantus's Arithmetica, on Apollonius's Conics and on Ptolemy's astronomical works. The passage in Suidas is far from clear and most historians doubt that Hypatia wrote any commentaries on Ptolemy other than the works which she composed jointly with her father.
    All Hypatia's work is lost except for its titles and some references to it.
    However no purely philosophical work is known, only work in mathematics and astronomy. Based on this small amount of evidence Deakin, in [8] and [9], argues that Hypatia was an excellent compiler, editor, and preserver of earlier mathematical works.
     
    http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Hypatia.html
  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We should look over a few problems with the ‘discovery’.

    http://www.nbi.ku.dk/gravitational-waves/gravitational-waves-comment2.html

    http://www.nbi.ku.dk/gravitational-waves/hannover-presentation.html

    This isn’t looking through a telescope and saying “There it is.” This is making up a computer modeled image of something never observed before, and using it as a ‘template’ to locate such a signal in a lot of noise, claiming your best fit IS therefore what your imaginary template is SUPPOSED to be. There are so many problems with this, starting with the obvious: how do you know your template is correct? Has the ‘detected’ orbiting black holes been confirmed by some other means than massaged noise from laser interferometry? Black holes if they are anything as imagined should have some pretty telling astronomical evidence that other means of detection could find, especially if a location was provided.
    .
    There are several different scenarios:
    1. Nothing is there. LIGO results would be further in question then. Gravity waves have not been confirmed.
    .
    2. Something is there but not orbiting black holes. LIGO results are still wrong, they may have been detecting something purely electromagnetic, not gravitational in nature, in any case gravity waves will not have been confirmed.
    .
    3. Two black holes are located where LIGO indicated. All evidence points to confirmation of LIGO being correct, then and only then, can you have your party.
    .
    I’m sorry, but am I the only one thinking this? Where on Earth are the healthy skeptics?
    It’s going to be a tad more awkward than ‘Ooops!’ if this thing blows up in their faces after all the prizes and endorsements have been handed out. Granted, they have had some experience after the Nobel-Prizus-interuptous of BICEP2.

  47. @Harris
    It's especially funny that they included "bishop" and "2,500 years ago" in the same thought.

    It’s especially funny that they included “bishop” and “2,500 years ago” in the same thought.

    Especially since the Bishop in question — St. Cyril — didn’t order Hypatia’s death in the first place. People love to make up crap about anything Catholic.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Nico
    Not coincidently, there are no writebacks enabled on the blog to call out the author on his inaccuracies and libels. I don't suppose the "fact checkers" among mainstream presstitutes will be tackling this one, either.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    "People love to make up crap about anything Catholic".

    Indeed so - most notably the current occupant of the See of Peter.
  48. Regarding the accusation that the Nobel Prize “propagates the myth of the lone genius” actually a very large number of the prizes have been awarded to several people for contributions to a particular development.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Regarding the accusation that the Nobel Prize “propagates the myth of the lone genius” actually a very large number of the prizes have been awarded to several people for contributions to a particular development.
     
    Ditto. There had been no true breakthrough in hard sciences in past, say, 30 years. Looks like physics from 1880 to 1900. Many admirable contributors on small scale.
  49. @syonredux

    Taking a very rough guess by their names, somewhere around half of the winners might be White Jewish males.
     
    For physics, it's either one out of three, or two out of three, depending on how you count Rainer “Rai” Weiss (Christian mother, Jewish father).

    For chemistry, I don't have any solid data, but there's a strong possibility that all three are non-Jewish.

    For medicine/physiology: I believe that the score is two Jews, one non-Jew.

    Their Jewishness is not relevant, since they don’t make micro-aggressive comments in NY Times articles that make Steve cry.

    • LOL: yyrvjh
  50. In the interest of ‘diversity’ I suppose the Nobel Committee could have awarded a Mexican curandero a prize in Medicine for wiping out the scourge of ‘Fallen Fontanel’ in the United States and a Haitian Voodoo priest for eliminating ‘evil eye’

  51. @Jim
    Hypatia was indeed Greek, the daughter of Theon. It's true that none of her works survive but she was admired by her contemporaries and wrote a highly regarded commentary on Diophantus. In general our knowledge of Hellenistic mathematicians is often very slight. None of Perseus' works for example survive although the descriptions of them by contemporaries are fascinating.

    To be sure on the basis of the extant documentation it would be ridiculous to compare her with Archimedes or Diophantus. (Actually after Archimedes, Apollonius of Perga was the greatest of the Greek mathematicians.) However I don't doubt that Hypatia was a highly intelligent and deeply learned person.

    Actually none of the work of Eudoxus has survived. We have to rely on accounts of his work written hundreds of years later to assess his role in the history of Greek mathematics.

  52. Franklin was not robbed. She looked at the evidence right before her eyes and could not interpret it because she was less “on the ball.” When two students look at the same instruction and one gets it right, the one who got it wrong was not robbed of a finite substance.
    There was actually a very good student essay by a leftist whose teacher made her go study this in depth, she came back saying the same thing. I’ll see if I can find it.

  53. no ,no ,wait ,wait ,I google imaged searched American scientist and they’re all black this must be some trickology help me tiny duck!

    • LOL: jim jones
  54. @anony-mouse
    To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field's medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT
     
    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani's eyes were certainly quite colorful.....




    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg
  55. @sondjata
    I'm tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where's the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I'm black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I'm tired of this BS.

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    Very depressing. Although removing waste seems more tangibly awful — at least superficially.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn't get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn't seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin's name being brought up in comments all the time.

    Steve,

    I believe that the explanation of the Big Bang by the Princeton physicists was preceded by that of George Gamow in a paper with his student Ralph Alpher (and facetiously listing Hans Bethe as a coauthor). This work was discussed by Gamow in one of his popular books well before the Princeton team. Surprisingly enough, the Princeton group appeared to be honestly unaware of Gamow’s work.

    The actual germ of the Big Bang theory seems to have arisen from the work of Father Lemaitre well before any of them.

  57. Funny how Jews are sometimes white , sometimes not.
    They are when they win Nobels.
    Not when they import Third World immigrants

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Nor are they when they spew anti-white hatred like Sontag (which seems to happen a lot by the Jewish leadership).
    , @Dan23
    Jews are not White anymore than an Arab or Central Asian is White.
  58. @anony-mouse
    To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field's medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award

    I think you mean Diversity & Inclusion. Or maybe both

  59. Franklin shoulda dropped acid like Crick did, then maybe she would have figured out DNA.

  60. Bishop. Before Christ. Got it.

  61. @Luke Lea
    "In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one."

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT

    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani’s eyes were certainly quite colorful…..

    • Replies: @Epicaric
    Give her longer, darker hair, dark eyes and darker skin, and my (white) daughter is a perfect doppelgänger of this Woman of Color. But then I walk quite unnoticed through the streets of Tehran, possibly because my backpack is invisible.
    , @Stephen Marle
    "A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time."

    I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but to be fair there was some grumbling that her Fields Medal had a whiff of AA to it. The Fields Medal is awarded by a bunch of guys gathered around a table, and they can be influenced and pressured by charges of bias.

    The William Lowell Putnam award, on the other hand, is a pencil and paper test that cannot be gamed. There have been about three female Putnam fellows, but it's given to five people every year, rather than to three or four people every year, as is the case with the Fields.
    , @Jim
    So that's what a "person of color" looks like.
    , @Alfa158
    In fairness to Luke, the photo in the Wikipedia entry was very poor quality and didn't allow you to make out that Mirzakhani is one of the most European looking Iranians you'll ever see. I wonder why the author of the Wiki entry couldn't find a better photo?
  62. @Steve Sailer
    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn't get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn't seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin's name being brought up in comments all the time.

    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel…

    ? !

  63. @anony-mouse
    To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field's medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    Or have a Nobel Prize for making the best sandwich.

    • Replies: @Jim
    Or a Fields Medal for proving the "Ham Sandwich Theorem".
  64. @syonredux

    Instead of changing your username to “syonredux” you could have changed it to “Wikipedia”.
     
    "Syonredux" is more euphonious .

    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphonious

    1. Pleasant-sounding; agreeable to the ear; possessing or demonstrating euphony.

    (Lol)

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphonious

    1. Pleasant-sounding; agreeable to the ear; possessing or demonstrating euphony.

    (Lol)
     
    Ah, well, caviar to the general, I suppose....
  65. Bah. Sure, there are a lot of white male science Nobellists. But go do a Google search on “American inventors” and you’ll see who drives the real progress in this world.

  66. @syonredux

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT
     
    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani's eyes were certainly quite colorful.....




    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    Give her longer, darker hair, dark eyes and darker skin, and my (white) daughter is a perfect doppelgänger of this Woman of Color. But then I walk quite unnoticed through the streets of Tehran, possibly because my backpack is invisible.

  67. @sondjata
    I'm tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where's the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I'm black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I'm tired of this BS.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I’m black.

    You’re not just black, you’re awesome, dude.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  68. Have White Men Committed the Majority of the 521 Mass Shootings Since Orlando?

    2017 Hard Science Nobels: White Men Win 9 of 9

    For mass shootings, Paddock gets the Pulitzer, but Fjotolf Hansen should get the Nobel.

    He can pick it up in Stockholm come 2033.

  69. Can’t help myself… Since this is, ahem, “United Nations” World Space Week, here are 12 more White Men:

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vrq90d1eU
    , @HunInTheSun
    Peak Whiteness.
  70. I don’t think that women have the far-right assymptotic bell-curve smarts to be in the top 10,000 hard scientists alive at any one time. They can be great empiricists like Marie Curie, but not great theoreticians.

    However, I do expect female winners of the physics prize soon, for some of the reasons cited in the articles you quoted. Physics today consists of giant engineering projects, and there are women physicists in charge of some of these projects.

    The Nobel committee, for instance, will feel that it is obliged to award a Nobel when dark matter is confirmed. Two major dark matter projects are led by women physicist-administrators, Rita Bernabei of DAMA and Elena Aprile of XENON. These women are great physicists in the same way that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a great astrophysicist: Their talents lie in the realm of support functions, not cutting-edge science.

    The Nobel committee will wait until three projects detect dark matter, and then give the administrators of the projects the physics Nobel, and there’s a chance that a woman will have headed up one or two of the projects.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Managing a giant project successfully is something.
    , @szopen
    Marie Curie-SKŁODOWSKA, you sexist polonophobe misogynist.

    :D

    Actually I was not serious, but I love troll feminists by pointing that Maria Skłodowska later in her life signed herself as Curie-Skłodowska (including her signature on her second Nobel) and by calling her Marie Curie they ignore the choice of the women in question.
    , @guest
    Don't you mean when dark matter is "confirmed."
  71. Hitler has only got one bell
    Göring has two, and how they smell.
    Himmler has something sim’lar
    But poor Goebbels has Nobels at all…

  72. @Buzz Mohawk
    Can't help myself... Since this is, ahem, "United Nations" World Space Week, here are 12 more White Men:

    http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Toons/moonwalkers.jpg

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ki759-fsfU
    , @Anon
    Currently reading "As Thousands Cheer" bio of Irving Berlin, and it's amazing how many chosenite songsmiths back then trafficked heavily in 'coon' material. Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.
  73. @candid_observer
    The desperation among journalist types for female icons in STEM is downright pathetic.

    I happen to get Technology Review, the magazine put out by MIT.

    On the latest cover, it features the article "Meeting Tech's Rising Stars". A young woman is pictured on that cover, and the caption is, "Software engineer Tracy Chou is one of 35 innovators under 35 who are shaping the future of technology".

    So I open to the article, wondering what this young woman's stupendous contribution to technology might be that she is selected, from all the talent at MIT, to assume this prominent role.

    Here's her story. She was an engineer at Pinterest. But "I had serious questions about whether I was going to say in tech. And I really thought the problem was me." She heard Sheryl Sandberg at Facebook say that the number of women in technology was dropping. "I didn't think she was wrong," Chou said. "But I also thought: How does she know? There are no numbers. I knew there was a problem."

    Chou's huge innovative contribution is that she then wrote a post on Medium titled, "Where are the numbers?" The post went viral. Diversity numbers apparently then got produced from various large tech firms.

    THAT was the sum total of her contribution to technology.

    Yes, really.

    As I said, the media is desperate and pathetic.

    And frankly, I'm not sure that any technology magazine is worse this way than Technology Review.

    This is damaging. Nothing is worse than being weighed down with unreasonable expectations. There was an article years ago, about a bright East Asian kid who had done a reasonably good science fair display placard: the title of the article was “X-Year-Old Chinese American Girl Cures Cancer.”

  74. @syonredux

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT
     
    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani's eyes were certainly quite colorful.....




    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    “A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time.”

    I don’t want to speak ill of the dead, but to be fair there was some grumbling that her Fields Medal had a whiff of AA to it. The Fields Medal is awarded by a bunch of guys gathered around a table, and they can be influenced and pressured by charges of bias.

    The William Lowell Putnam award, on the other hand, is a pencil and paper test that cannot be gamed. There have been about three female Putnam fellows, but it’s given to five people every year, rather than to three or four people every year, as is the case with the Fields.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/july-diary-jared-taylors-tennessee-triumph-conservatism-inc-s-collapse-poet-seeks-privacy-etc/#math-corner

    John Derbyshire • August 3, 2017

    Math Corner

    Yet another depressingly young death to record, this one from disease.

    On July 14th, the day after Liu’s passing, we lost Maryam Mirzakhani, the first woman to win a Fields Medal (the “math Nobel Prize”). Professor Mirzakhani died in a hospital in Stanford, California, after yielding to complications arising from breast cancer. She was only 40 years old.

    I’m not competent to judge Prof. Mirzakhani’s work, but friends who are so competent assure me that her Fields was not an affirmative-action stunt. The lady deserved it.
     

     
    , @Anon 2
    The Fields Medal in mathematics is awarded every FOUR
    years to two, three, or four individuals under forty
  75. @Harris
    It's especially funny that they included "bishop" and "2,500 years ago" in the same thought.

    It would be giving him too much credit to call that a “thought.”

  76. @syonredux

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT
     
    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani's eyes were certainly quite colorful.....




    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    So that’s what a “person of color” looks like.

  77. @Andy
    Rosalind Franklin in no way deserved a Nobel Prize for the discovery of DNA. Granted, she was a good technician, and took good photos of what it turned out to be the DNA molecule, but she held those photos for years and couldn't figure it out what it really was. It took Watson just seconds after seeing the photos to realize this was the long expected molecule. Moreover, she held those photos for other scientists to see for a long time, violating standard scientific ethics that you show what you discovered to other scientists (especially if you are unable to find what it was)

    When Watson and Crick showed her their theory of the DNA design, Franklin critically examined the model, declared it to be sound, and left. She had not a thought they had lifted it from her photos, demonstrating that the structure had never been even a glimmer in her mind.

    Einstein, among others, held the opinion that all great scientific breakthroughs are the result of a bold guess. That is a very male characteristic.

  78. The lone wolf is always a white male, the lone genius is always a white male, the lone ranger . . . .

    Better, I suppose, to be a bunch of loners than a bunch of whiners.

  79. White males shouldn’t have freedom to peacefully associate or assemble, or at least be photographed while thus gathered. It is triggering to see a white-man only group consisting of more than two individuals. Or even two.

    It’s all about the feelz now.

  80. @Reg Cæsar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vrq90d1eU

  81. Some few years ago, had a (physics/chemistry?) book by Maria Goeppert Mayer – a lot of thermodynamics or statistical mechanics or something – very difficult (for me anyway) to understand. If she had complete mastery of that stuff, I have to give her a very pronounced tip of the hat. I believe her husband was in the same field but not nearly as famous.

    • Replies: @Patrick Sullivan
    Isaac Asimov wrote one of his science essays about Maria Goeppert Mayer's Nobel work, which he introduced by relating how Goeppert Mayer's husband Joseph Mayer had given grad student Asimov a poor grade in a lab course at Columbia. Asimov went to talk to Mayer, who informed him, "The trouble with you, Asimov, is you can't write."
  82. @syonredux

    “In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field’s medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.”

    Not necessary. A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time: https://goo.gl/QgMfeT
     
    Well, Maryam Mirzakhani's eyes were certainly quite colorful.....




    https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    In fairness to Luke, the photo in the Wikipedia entry was very poor quality and didn’t allow you to make out that Mirzakhani is one of the most European looking Iranians you’ll ever see. I wonder why the author of the Wiki entry couldn’t find a better photo?

  83. @fish
    Has anybody inquired of Leonard Pitts his opinion re this injustice?

    Has anybody inquired of Leonard Pitts his opinion re this injustice?

    Not that I know of. And those verysmartbrothas.com? Crickets.

  84. Agreed. A some Iranians do look distinctly European and the late Maryam Mirzakhani was one of them.

    • Replies: @HunInThe Sun
    Well, "Iran" does mean "Aryan"...paging Jason Reza Jorjani!
    , @Dan23
    It's not hard to breed toward looking "European" to an uncritical eye. Though, looking European is inconsequential. Interbred "Europeans", with significant African and Arab genes, are difficult to manage and live with in their own right. They shouldn't be considered to be European, or White, to the extent that they are considered to be the same race as the non-mixed stock that creates Europe's best societies. Protecting that relatively unmixed stock is what is important to racial politics.
  85. @Whiskey
    Hypatia Lee hasn't been stoned since she stopped doing pr0n in the 1980s.

    Sarah Silverman, singing to porn stars: “Do you ever take drugs so that you can have sex without crying?”

  86. @sondjata
    I'm tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where's the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I'm black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I'm tired of this BS.

    The world could use more black people like you.

    Some places, like Africa and America, need it desperately.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Agree here.

    Acquaintances travel through Africa and remark on the inventive and creative people they meet. On this site, Chanda Chisala brags about smart Africans.

    We need a critical mass so the dysfunction doesn't drag us down.

    Latest joke: "They came for the Blacks; but I didn't speak up, because I wasn't Black. Then they came for the refugees; but I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a refugee. Then they stopped coming for people because there were no more problems."
  87. @Reg Cæsar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vrq90d1eU

    Currently reading “As Thousands Cheer” bio of Irving Berlin, and it’s amazing how many chosenite songsmiths back then trafficked heavily in ‘coon’ material. Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.
     
    If they did, they no doubt improved it:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/

    Avalon, Hello Dolly, and My Sweet Lord were all successfully sued for plagiarism. Nature Boy was threatened with one, but both sides profited more from a settlement. In these cases the purloining was neither conscious nor deliberate.

    Make 'Em Laugh in Singing in the Rain was clearly stolen from Cole Porter's Be a Clown (in The Pirate, but by whom? By lyricist and producer Arthur Freed, deliberately, or by nominal composer Nacio Herb Brown (of German, Mexican, and WASP background), inadvertently?

    Irving Berlin, a street kid of a litigious bent himself, strongly encouraged Porter to sue Freed and Brown. Porter, the high-born WASP preppy, politely declined. Good manners, yes, but the two films were put out by the same studio as well.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Fats Waller's son maintained that his father sold Jimmy McHugh the tune to On the Sunny Side of the Street, and always resented not getting credit for it. Fats would seethe whenever he heard it on the radio.

    The funny thing is that both men had proven quite capable of producing first-rate melodies by themselves, and this particular song wasn't one of them. I'm Getting Sentimental Over You came out three years later, making much better use of the same opening motif.

  88. The most recent female physics laureate, Maria Goeppert Mayer, won her prize 54 years ago.

    And yet that was in the bad old days when relatively few women studied physics, and science was supposed to be even more sexist than it is today. So, how does that square with the narrative pushed by these articles?

  89. Of course, Scientific American’s math is off by about 900 years. Hypatia died in 415 A.D, which was 1,602 years ago, not “nearly 2,500 years ago.” (But who can keep BCE and CE straight?)

    Oh, sure, if you want to get all picky about it, but, really, who cares about quantitative considerations!?! We’re talking about science here!

  90. @Steve Sailer
    I had dinner with Robert Wilson shortly after he won the 1978 Physics Nobel with Arno Penzias for the discovery that proved the Big Bang theory (similar in importance to physics for the structure of DNA to Physiology). He was an ace experimental radio astronomer who did the careful work to rule out other sources. But the theoretical explanation was explained to them by Princeton physicists who didn't get the Nobel, as Princetonians have long complained.

    But there doesn't seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin's name being brought up in comments all the time.

    But there doesn’t seem to be any Diversity angle to this Nobel controversy so it seldom comes up these days, while I see Rosalind Franklin’s name being brought up in comments all the time.

    There was also this guy (also no diversity angle):

    Douglas Prasher

  91. The media make Idiocracy look as though it depicts a meeting of the Apostles.

    • Replies: @Jim
    I sometime wonder if people in the media make an effort to be stupid. It's hard to believe it comes naturally.
  92. @Erik L
    That is probably pretty common. It's been a long time since science was an individual effort. The problem is that the prestige of the prize is based on its rarity.

    It seems like the simple solution for the woke crowd is to realize that the Nobel prize is illegitimate and just everyone stop being impressed by it. They would learn some guy won the Nobel for physics and respond, oh you mean the prize for white male physics? Big deal. You want to impress me win the physics prize against everyone else in the world!

    That is probably pretty common. It’s been a long time since science was an individual effort. The problem is that the prestige of the prize is based on its rarity.

    The PRL paper announcing the discovery of gravitational waves (for which discovery, the Nobel Prize in physics was awarded today) had a few hundred authors:

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.061102

    If the Nobel were awarded to all of them, they’d each only get a few thousand bucks apiece. And, as you point out, the award would not have nearly as much prestige as it does.

  93. @Tony
    Maybe the Nobels arent caving in with the hard sciences but they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    Peace prize is awarded by a bunch of sniveling, genocide-loving Norwegians.

    The hard prizes are awarded by Sweden.

    • Replies: @Realist
    I am 1/4 Norwegian and as much as it pains me, I have to agree.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Sweden seems to be on track to reach sharia domination, loss of liberty, and loss of their culture and way of life, sooner than any other formerly white western country. Swedes are the epitome of sniveling self-hating little slaves, worse than the Danes or anyone else. I'm part Scandinavian and ashamed of them right now.
  94. “all-purpose explanation for African American underperformance (such as Coates’ writings)”

    Great line and probably the main driver of the Genius’ ideology.

  95. The Christoph Andre paper is even worse than that. He mentions “1995 study where blacks performed as well as whites”. If he means Steele et al study from 1995, he seem not to notice that “results were adjusted by SAT”, and that the paper only shown that SAT had equal predictive power for blacks and whites without stereotype threat (but blacks still performed worse) while with stereotype threat, blacks underperformed wrt what was expected from their SAT scores.

  96. @JimB
    Phew!For a couple decades there I thought Kip Thorne might not make it to the finish line.

    JimB wrote:

    Phew!For a couple decades there I thought Kip Thorne might not make it to the finish line.

    I’ve got you beat: I took General Relativity from Kip in the ’75-’76 academic year and remember talking with him about detecting gravitational waves — I did not think it could be done.

    I’m glad he proved me wrong.

    He’s the third of my professors to win the Nobel: the other two being Feynman and Steve Weinberg. Incidentally, while all Nobelists in natural science are, of course, bright guys, what I most noticed was that these guys worked very, very hard.

    I’ll also add that while I could name a number of people in academic physics who are real jerks, Kip is not among them. Kip was a very open, friendly guy, eager to engage with undergrads, and motivated by a real love of science.

    Congratulations, Kip!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your experience dovetails neatly with my own. In the upper echelons of academe--as well as in business--not only were the people smart, they also tended to be industrious and self-disciplined.

    Of course nowadays we pretend that it was all just a matter of "privilege". This popular pretense helps us avoid inconvenient facts.

  97. @sondjata
    I'm tired of this whiny shit. Do these people even know what a science lab looks like?

    Where are the African engineers building stupendous skyscrapers without the help of the Chinese?

    Where's the fucking African designed, built and hoisted space craft? Space station?

    Can you build a modern car? Please?

    Fuck it. Why are the Kibera slums STILL without piped in water?

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Tired of whiny Negroes. Tired of White people whining on behalf of whiny Negroes.

    And I'm black.

    Sorry for the language Steve but dammit I'm tired of this BS.

    sondjata wrote:

    And people want to know why there are so few black science Nobel Prizes?

    How about getting off the SJW BS and getting in an engineering class and DO something other than complaining.

    Can anyone recall any blacks who won Nobels in natural science?

    Offhand, I can think of one person “of Spanish surname” who won in physics: Luis Alvarez. I met Luis once and had a chance to chat with him– a very bright and very pleasant guy. Aside from his work in physics that won him the Nobel, Luis also worked with his son, the geologist Walter Alvarez, on the work that showed the link between the asteroid hit and the K-T extinction.There are probably other Hispanic Nobel laureates.

    And, of course, there are a number of Asian.

  98. @JohnnyD
    My prediction: A Nobel Prize will be awarded to some pseudo-scientist for his/her/its work on transgenderism.

    My prediction: A Nobel Prize will be awarded to some pseudo-scientist for his/her/its work on transgenderism.

    How about a Medicine Prize to the tireless surgeons?

  99. @Tony
    Maybe the Nobels arent caving in with the hard sciences but they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    It’s not even the worst Peace Prize. But they try, one presumes.

  100. @Anonymous
    I have a feeling that in another year or two, the Nobel Prize is going to turn into the Black Oscars fiasco, where you'd better gibsmedat or you a racist who deserves to be robbed and stoned to death.

    In this regard, the best thing about the Nobel is everyone is moaning and complaining that they didn’t get awarded.

  101. The trouble with our world is too much glorification of genius scientists.

    • Replies: @Realist
    The trouble with our world is too much glorification of black athletes.

    FIFY
  102. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago.

    Great movie. If you want to understand our current descent into darkness, take a look at how it happened the first time. Intolerance, fanaticism, iconoclasm, Semitism. The movie makes a nice companion piece/follow-up to Gore Vidal’s Julian.

  103. I knew once you start talking about nobel.prizes the number that were awarded to jews would come up.

    The.question.of jewish influence and networking in selecting.the.winners should be discussed.

    We known in selecting non science nobel prizes politics plays an important role. Who says the science awards are any different.

  104. @Stephen Marle
    I don't think that women have the far-right assymptotic bell-curve smarts to be in the top 10,000 hard scientists alive at any one time. They can be great empiricists like Marie Curie, but not great theoreticians.

    However, I do expect female winners of the physics prize soon, for some of the reasons cited in the articles you quoted. Physics today consists of giant engineering projects, and there are women physicists in charge of some of these projects.

    The Nobel committee, for instance, will feel that it is obliged to award a Nobel when dark matter is confirmed. Two major dark matter projects are led by women physicist-administrators, Rita Bernabei of DAMA and Elena Aprile of XENON. These women are great physicists in the same way that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a great astrophysicist: Their talents lie in the realm of support functions, not cutting-edge science.

    The Nobel committee will wait until three projects detect dark matter, and then give the administrators of the projects the physics Nobel, and there's a chance that a woman will have headed up one or two of the projects.

    Managing a giant project successfully is something.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Beat me to it.

    The comparison with Tyson is inapt.
  105. @Thomm

    Jews are such a miniscule percentage of the man population, that their achievements makes differences in capabilities between races and cultures even more glaring.
     
    True. Which makes it all the more funny that WN morons insist Jews are not white.

    Why would Jews want to be considered “White” ?

    I mean you say it like it’s unfair that some people don’t consider Jews white!

    They are honored by Our presence. We however require theirs like they require blacks – as worker bees.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Do we need them at all? I think that's an open question.
  106. Nearly 2,500 years ago, the Egyptian mathematician and philosopher Hypatia was stoned in public by order of the Bishop of Alexandria. As the cleric saw it, Hypatia had too many irritating features: she was a woman, a pagan, and in particular much too smart.

    Not only is the date impossibly wrong, but so is the narrative as well. Hypatia was associated with Orestes, the Roman prefect, who was engaged in a bitter feud with Bishop Cyril that started as a dispute over the enforcement of regulation of religious festivities and grew to symbolize the tension between the de jure secular power and the growing de facto clerical power and Cyril’s willingness and ability to get the population to defy Orestes. The tensions quickly escalated into a series of back-and-forth poundings. Ultimately, Orestes was struck in the head; the monk Ammonius, his aggressor, was lynched by the pro-Orestes faction; in retaliation, a pro-Cyril mob seized Hypatia, who was known to counsel Orestes, blamed her for stoking Orestes’s adamsnce against Cyril, and lynched her. The author’s charges against Cyril (who admittedly was hardly a care bear; see below) would be libelous if the bishop were still alive.

    To wit, the Christian population of Alexandria was not uniformly sympathetic to the cause of Ammonius, whom Cyril tried to problem a martyr. It was a messy period and there were more riots and deaths besides these, but of course as the left knows best, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

  107. @Tracy

    It’s especially funny that they included “bishop” and “2,500 years ago” in the same thought.
     
    Especially since the Bishop in question -- St. Cyril -- didn't order Hypatia's death in the first place. People love to make up crap about anything Catholic.

    Not coincidently, there are no writebacks enabled on the blog to call out the author on his inaccuracies and libels. I don’t suppose the “fact checkers” among mainstream presstitutes will be tackling this one, either.

  108. @Eagle Eye
    Peace prize is awarded by a bunch of sniveling, genocide-loving Norwegians.

    The hard prizes are awarded by Sweden.

    I am 1/4 Norwegian and as much as it pains me, I have to agree.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    Fortunately, there are still many stout Norwegian with a little more sense and compassion than their "betters" in parliament. Indeed, recent indications are that Norwegians are the first Western nation to wake up from the alien-worship nightmare.

    Sadly, all too many Western countries have allowed themselves to be kidnapped in slow motion by hard core Left-totalitarians over the last 50 years, initially with heavy support from the Soviet Union.

    The Left's "long march through the institutions" has succeeded beyond the dreams of political avarice. Media, elective politics, the executive and even large corporations.

    What we have is a joined-up structure of Left-elitists and apparatchiks working tirelessly to create precisely the two-class society that Leftists had always projected in their propaganda.
  109. @Steve Sailer
    Managing a giant project successfully is something.

    Beat me to it.

    The comparison with Tyson is inapt.

  110. @Harold
    The trouble with our world is too much glorification of genius scientists.

    The trouble with our world is too much glorification of black athletes.

    FIFY

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  111. @PhysicistDave
    JimB wrote:

    Phew!For a couple decades there I thought Kip Thorne might not make it to the finish line.
     
    I've got you beat: I took General Relativity from Kip in the '75-'76 academic year and remember talking with him about detecting gravitational waves -- I did not think it could be done.

    I'm glad he proved me wrong.

    He's the third of my professors to win the Nobel: the other two being Feynman and Steve Weinberg. Incidentally, while all Nobelists in natural science are, of course, bright guys, what I most noticed was that these guys worked very, very hard.

    I'll also add that while I could name a number of people in academic physics who are real jerks, Kip is not among them. Kip was a very open, friendly guy, eager to engage with undergrads, and motivated by a real love of science.

    Congratulations, Kip!

    Your experience dovetails neatly with my own. In the upper echelons of academe–as well as in business–not only were the people smart, they also tended to be industrious and self-disciplined.

    Of course nowadays we pretend that it was all just a matter of “privilege”. This popular pretense helps us avoid inconvenient facts.

  112. @Stephen Marle
    I don't think that women have the far-right assymptotic bell-curve smarts to be in the top 10,000 hard scientists alive at any one time. They can be great empiricists like Marie Curie, but not great theoreticians.

    However, I do expect female winners of the physics prize soon, for some of the reasons cited in the articles you quoted. Physics today consists of giant engineering projects, and there are women physicists in charge of some of these projects.

    The Nobel committee, for instance, will feel that it is obliged to award a Nobel when dark matter is confirmed. Two major dark matter projects are led by women physicist-administrators, Rita Bernabei of DAMA and Elena Aprile of XENON. These women are great physicists in the same way that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a great astrophysicist: Their talents lie in the realm of support functions, not cutting-edge science.

    The Nobel committee will wait until three projects detect dark matter, and then give the administrators of the projects the physics Nobel, and there's a chance that a woman will have headed up one or two of the projects.

    Marie Curie-SKŁODOWSKA, you sexist polonophobe misogynist.

    😀

    Actually I was not serious, but I love troll feminists by pointing that Maria Skłodowska later in her life signed herself as Curie-Skłodowska (including her signature on her second Nobel) and by calling her Marie Curie they ignore the choice of the women in question.

  113. @Stephen Marle
    I don't think that women have the far-right assymptotic bell-curve smarts to be in the top 10,000 hard scientists alive at any one time. They can be great empiricists like Marie Curie, but not great theoreticians.

    However, I do expect female winners of the physics prize soon, for some of the reasons cited in the articles you quoted. Physics today consists of giant engineering projects, and there are women physicists in charge of some of these projects.

    The Nobel committee, for instance, will feel that it is obliged to award a Nobel when dark matter is confirmed. Two major dark matter projects are led by women physicist-administrators, Rita Bernabei of DAMA and Elena Aprile of XENON. These women are great physicists in the same way that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a great astrophysicist: Their talents lie in the realm of support functions, not cutting-edge science.

    The Nobel committee will wait until three projects detect dark matter, and then give the administrators of the projects the physics Nobel, and there's a chance that a woman will have headed up one or two of the projects.

    Don’t you mean when dark matter is “confirmed.”

  114. @Stephen Marle
    "A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time."

    I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but to be fair there was some grumbling that her Fields Medal had a whiff of AA to it. The Fields Medal is awarded by a bunch of guys gathered around a table, and they can be influenced and pressured by charges of bias.

    The William Lowell Putnam award, on the other hand, is a pencil and paper test that cannot be gamed. There have been about three female Putnam fellows, but it's given to five people every year, rather than to three or four people every year, as is the case with the Fields.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/july-diary-jared-taylors-tennessee-triumph-conservatism-inc-s-collapse-poet-seeks-privacy-etc/#math-corner

    John Derbyshire • August 3, 2017

    Math Corner

    Yet another depressingly young death to record, this one from disease.

    On July 14th, the day after Liu’s passing, we lost Maryam Mirzakhani, the first woman to win a Fields Medal (the “math Nobel Prize”). Professor Mirzakhani died in a hospital in Stanford, California, after yielding to complications arising from breast cancer. She was only 40 years old.

    I’m not competent to judge Prof. Mirzakhani’s work, but friends who are so competent assure me that her Fields was not an affirmative-action stunt. The lady deserved it.

    • Replies: @Jim
    She was obviously a first-rate mathematician and the subject of Teichmueller spaces in which much of her work was done is a very important area of mathematics. The Fields Medals are not handed down by God but simply some people's opinion so there is no objective sense to the question of exactly who "deserves" them. All who have been awarded the prize are without exception very fine mathematicians but some of the most influential mathematicians of the last 60-70 years - Langlands, Cartan, Borel, Hirzebruch, Iwasawa, Harish-Chandra, Shafarevic, not to mention many others did not receive a Fields Medal.

    Alan Baker received a Fields Medal while Langlands did not. But I think few would say that Baker is a more important mathematician than Langlands. My comment is not in the slightest meant to be disrespectful of Alan Baker.
  115. Here’s a challenge to the numerate iStevers, a Nobel possibility lying on the sidewalk waiting to be picked up – has anyone satisfactorily explained static electricity? From van der Graaf/Wimshurst machines to lightning?

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B – what makes them come away and stay away?

    • Replies: @fish

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B – what makes them come away and stay away?
     
    Racism!


    Well that seems to be the answer for everything these days.

    , @Desiderius
    Racism.
    , @Joe Stalin
    http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/electroscopes/electrophorus.htm
  116. @Stephen Marle
    "A woman (of color no less) won the real thing fair and square last time."

    I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but to be fair there was some grumbling that her Fields Medal had a whiff of AA to it. The Fields Medal is awarded by a bunch of guys gathered around a table, and they can be influenced and pressured by charges of bias.

    The William Lowell Putnam award, on the other hand, is a pencil and paper test that cannot be gamed. There have been about three female Putnam fellows, but it's given to five people every year, rather than to three or four people every year, as is the case with the Fields.

    The Fields Medal in mathematics is awarded every FOUR
    years to two, three, or four individuals under forty

    • Replies: @Stephen Marle
    Sorry, obvious typo, otherwise my sentence makes no sense. It would make a good SAT reading comprehension question: Find the illogical part.
  117. The easiest way to win a Nobel Prize in science
    is to apprentice yourself to someone who is already
    a Nobel Prize winner. It’s obviously not a guarantee
    but it increases your chances immeasurably. And this
    is where ethnic favoritism comes in. This is the great
    unmentionable secret of academia. You as a student
    need an older person to like you enough to spend
    countless hours with you. In science at least you’re
    nothing without a mentor. And Jewish professors attract
    Jewish students, Asian professors tend to attract Asian
    students, etc.

    Similarly, the easiest way to become famous is to hang out
    with someone who is already famous. Kato Kaelin comes
    mind, lol.

    Despite all the hoopla about the Nobel Prizes I still maintain
    that unless you’re insanely talented and passionate about your
    field, scientific careers have deteriorated so much in the U.S.
    in the last 50 years that they should be left to those who have
    fewer choices in life, i.e., mostly immigrants. If you’re U.S.-born
    and have a high IQ, you’ll be better off in terms of salary and status
    going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting,
    etc. One caveat though is that the military-industrial complex needs
    vast numbers of U.S.-born Ph.D.’s since you can’t do this kind of work
    without a top level security clearance

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If you’re U.S.-born and have a high IQ, you’ll be better off in terms of salary and status going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting, etc.
     
    It depends on what you want out of life. If you just want a high income and a comfortable life, what you say is true. Most people who go into science don't think that way, at least initially anyway. When they realize what's required to succeed in the field, a lot of them opt out for easier and more renumerative careers.

    And it is true, as you point out, that scientific careers seem to have gotten crummier in the last thirty years or so.
    , @biz
    The "easiest" way to win a Nobel Prize in the sciences, huh? What are the other easy ways?
  118. One of the more depressing developments is the deterioration of editorial standards at Scientific American. The magazine has gone full SJW in recent years. It’s getting more difficult to separate the hard science articles from all the pieces on global warming, gender issues and the evils of the Trump Administration

  119. They’ll probably calls for affirmative action in awarding Nobels for science. Blacks should get points since they have to overcome white privilege. No field is allowed to be dominated by white men but it is ok if something is dominated by blacks and other non-whites.

  120. Even people outside of the Ivory Tower vaguely
    realize that professors engage in a great deal of
    mentoring, although they may suspect that there
    is more to mentoring than meets the eye. Several
    decades ago I revealed to my interlocutor that I was
    in academia. Interestingly, he became visibly envious
    and implied in so many words that I must lead a charmed
    life having erotic access to all those young, luscious, and willing
    coeds. Alas there is no casting couch for mentorship! For
    that you’ll be better off in Hollywood. Erotic dalliances between
    the faculty and the students still happen (I witnessed several
    myself) but typically they involve TA’s and young adjuncts
    who are usually closer in age to the students

  121. @Thomm
    Of course, white men won 9 out of 9. White variance is very high, and so the 'median' white performance is not very meaningful.

    Whites can easily be bifurcated in two groups of unequal size (the lower group being much smaller). Hence, the hierarchy of talent/brains/character across the races is :

    Talented, quality whites
    Asians (East and South)
    Hispanics
    Blacks
    Untalented, loser whites.

    The lower group comprises of the true dregs of society. The men become WNs, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Hence, the very top will always have a high representation of whites, but the wastebasket whites have zero in common with them.

    Where is your data to back up the assertion that “white variance is high?”

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your “loser whites.”

    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don’t have any of this “basic” infrastructure. Without all those “low-end” whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Well said. And the infrastructure the colonialists built has gone to hell because Africans don't do boring things like maintenance. Paul Theroux talks about this at length in Dark Star.
    , @Thomm
    IQ is just one component of the very high variance among whites. Other dimensions are talent, looks, and character. Some WNs have decent IQ but are nonetheless extremely inept in all ways.

    For example, we all agree that white women have very high variance in looks (all points on the 1-10 scale are well represented), whereas East Asian (young) women all fall within the 5-8 range.


    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?
     
    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.
    , @Desiderius
    Don't feed the troll.
    , @Anonymous
    It is because of a sudden spurt in pop growth far exceeding the growth of govt capability and money and the ability to provide resources to their pop. Most of the 'third world' were bled bone dry financially at the end of colonialism and due to the demands of the second world war. Not to mention the thousands if third-worlders who gave their lives to help protect europeans from the nazis. After they achieved independence, most of them had virtually empty treasuries. And then came in anti-biotics .....which led to sudden spurt in pop growth.... the rate of which was never before seen until then in human history. The west had time to increase its infrastructure spending and infrastructure availability- over the 17 th, 18 th ,19 th and even the 20 th century due to having a constant supply of money and a pop that grew very steadily ober these centuries but not suddenly. This gave them the time to build all the necessary infrastructure to accommodate their people. And when anti-biotics finally hit ....reducing human mortality by a significant margin, the west was prepared infrastructurally and financially to accommodate their needs. But the developing world was not, as it no longer had the wealth it previously had. And they were more people than what their govts could provide for. Hence you see constant power cuts and other things you mentioned. Their govts were simply not equipped to deal with the sudden pop growth.

    That said they are doing the best they can.

    The west achieved the living standards it has now.... over a period of atleast two centuries. I think its only fair to give the developing world (atleast) half that time before judging them.
    , @Jim
    Average IQ of US whites is about 100. The world's average IQ is 90. There is a very big difference between two countries whose populations differ by more than 1o points in average IQ.
  122. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    good point…in many measures of quality of life women do better…women live longer, work less and spend more money than men..They are less likely to be incarcerated, raped, or murdered than males…they are more likely to attend college and less likely to be autistic, retarded, or disabled…

    women are less happy than men, twice as likely to take antidepressants and other medications. As more and more females embraced feminism the life satisfaction of women falls lower and lower. While the average women wants to be married with children our culture now demeans feminine traits as it promotes feminism and denigrates femininity. Why does the media and government forces want more women to study STEM fields and play sports ? Why not promote Home economics and cooking classes to help women become more attractive mates and thus better able to attract a successful husband.

  123. I found this interesting story about pseudo-scientific DNA analysis in Haaretz. They poke fun at Avishai Ben-Haim’s “Jewish DNA” program on Channel 10 or maybe endorse it/s findings. Who knows.

    The Racist Gene
    On the racist, superficial and ignorant attempt by an Israeli TV reporter to describe the phenomenon of ‘Jewish genetics’
    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.796801

    the shocked image of West Bank settlement leader Daniella Weiss, when she is informed by Ben-Haim that the blood of her ancestors has been contaminated over the years by several Polish genes.
    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.796801

    In short, we are all possible goys and thus we all must undergo that serious conversion procedure to remove any doubts over our Jewishness, which I would hope would relieve members of the Ethiopian community a bit.

  124. When I was in the army, the army and the other services “gender-normed” physical fitness tests so that female service members only competed against each other instead of competing against other men. Women in the 18-22 age category only did half the push-ups, a few less sit-ups, and were given a 3 1/2 minute advantage on the two mile run. Maybe the panels who decide who win these awards should gender-norm and race norm these awards for outstanding achievement in science so that women and minorities have a chance to win these awards. President Obama won a Nobel Peace prize at the start of his presidency for no real achievement. Maybe President Obama’s award can be a model for the men and women of color so that they too can win awards with no real accomplishment.

    • LOL: bomag
  125. @syonredux
    For the curious:

    Physics:

    Kip Thorne: Atheist of Mormon background

    Rainer "Rai" Weiss: German born. Mother was a Christian, father was a Jewish communist

    Barry Barish: Parents were Polish Jews

    Chemistry:

    Jacques Dubochet: Dunno. WIKIPEDIA simply noted that he's Swiss

    Joachim Frank : Dunno. WKP simply says that he's German


    Richard Henderson: Dunno. WKP simply says that he's Scots

    So what you’re saying is, Steve’s headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    So what you’re saying is, Steve’s headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.
     
    No, I'm noting that, out of a group of 9 White Nobel laureates, a disproportionate number were Ashkenazi Jews.
  126. @Anon 2
    The easiest way to win a Nobel Prize in science
    is to apprentice yourself to someone who is already
    a Nobel Prize winner. It's obviously not a guarantee
    but it increases your chances immeasurably. And this
    is where ethnic favoritism comes in. This is the great
    unmentionable secret of academia. You as a student
    need an older person to like you enough to spend
    countless hours with you. In science at least you're
    nothing without a mentor. And Jewish professors attract
    Jewish students, Asian professors tend to attract Asian
    students, etc.

    Similarly, the easiest way to become famous is to hang out
    with someone who is already famous. Kato Kaelin comes
    mind, lol.

    Despite all the hoopla about the Nobel Prizes I still maintain
    that unless you're insanely talented and passionate about your
    field, scientific careers have deteriorated so much in the U.S.
    in the last 50 years that they should be left to those who have
    fewer choices in life, i.e., mostly immigrants. If you're U.S.-born
    and have a high IQ, you'll be better off in terms of salary and status
    going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting,
    etc. One caveat though is that the military-industrial complex needs
    vast numbers of U.S.-born Ph.D.'s since you can't do this kind of work
    without a top level security clearance

    If you’re U.S.-born and have a high IQ, you’ll be better off in terms of salary and status going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting, etc.

    It depends on what you want out of life. If you just want a high income and a comfortable life, what you say is true. Most people who go into science don’t think that way, at least initially anyway. When they realize what’s required to succeed in the field, a lot of them opt out for easier and more renumerative careers.

    And it is true, as you point out, that scientific careers seem to have gotten crummier in the last thirty years or so.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Let me clarify: getting an undergraduate degree in any
    scientific, quantitative or technical field for a U.S. born
    student is still I think an excellent investment into your
    future. It sets up a foundation from which one can launch
    any number of careers.

    Let me recommend the essay "Women in Science" by Philip
    Greenspun originally published on his Harvard blog around
    2007, and recently updated due to high demand. It's just as
    relevant if you're a young male student who aspires to a career
    in science. It describes the deterioration of the scientific careers
    as compared to the halcyon days in the 1950s-'70s better than
    I could summarize here. I couldn't possibly do justice to the
    amount of detail Greenspun provides in his blog post.
  127. @Anonymous
    From iSteve reader Roger Schlafly:

    http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2017/10/nobel-prize-for-gravitational-waves.html

    These articles cannot resist making all about Einstein. But Einstein did not really believe in the geometry of space-time, or in black holes, or in the Big Bang, or in gravitational waves.

    You might say: "Who cares what Einstein believed? His equations imply those things, whether he believed in them or not."

    I would not say that they are his equations. Grossmann and Levi-Civita convinced him to use the Ricci tensor, and the equation is Ricci=0. Einstein's contribution was minor.

    Einstein is mainly famous because he is credited for special relativity, and the only reason he is credited for that is that supposedly Lorentz and Poincare had some faulty beliefs about the interpretation of the equations. Everyone agrees that Lorentz and Poincare had all the equations before Einstein. So if the credit is based on who had the equations, not who have the proper beliefs, then Einstein should get no credit for special relativity. (I say that Einstein was the one with the faulty beliefs about special relativity, but most ppl do not agree with me on that point.)
     

    Does Schlafly also argue that the builder of the Roman Pantheon was unremarkable because he invented neither concrete nor the domed roof?

    Lots of work is overrated. Einstein’s is not.

  128. @anony-mouse
    To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field's medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40.

    Great idea, although it might descend into wearing swimwear in order to garner more likability votes… Oh wait! We already have that contest. It’s called Miss Universe–most likable woman.

  129. @MarkinLA
    Most people don't really know how hard doing something extraordinary in the sciences really is. They have bought into the BS that "you can be anything you want to be" so they actually think that anybody can get a PhD in mathematics if they truly wanted one. It is far worse with people with non-science degrees and we are getting boatloads of them. They want to believe they are just as smart as the guys in the physics classes that they had to drop out of and could do what they did but just decided not to.

    I say this as a mediocre math/engineering major who made a decent living and retired early but was light years away from doing anything extraordinary in either math or engineering.

    I hear you bro!

    In my forties, I did geology because I would rather be a second-rate geologist than a third-rate chemist.

    I actually don’t work, but that’s because I inherited enough to start buying property in New Zealand. I could then reinvest the capital gain from urban properties in rural towns where percentage rent returns are higher.

    Before that I was a lecturer in Asian studies. That did require becoming competent in modern and ancient Asian languages, so my arts degree is harder than most, but it simply doesn’t compare to physics or maths.

    I have enough maths from my geology degree to tutor one or two gifted kids. One of them understood in thirty minutes what it took me three months to comprehend.

  130. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    Pretty good“? Feugh.

  131. @Anon 2
    The easiest way to win a Nobel Prize in science
    is to apprentice yourself to someone who is already
    a Nobel Prize winner. It's obviously not a guarantee
    but it increases your chances immeasurably. And this
    is where ethnic favoritism comes in. This is the great
    unmentionable secret of academia. You as a student
    need an older person to like you enough to spend
    countless hours with you. In science at least you're
    nothing without a mentor. And Jewish professors attract
    Jewish students, Asian professors tend to attract Asian
    students, etc.

    Similarly, the easiest way to become famous is to hang out
    with someone who is already famous. Kato Kaelin comes
    mind, lol.

    Despite all the hoopla about the Nobel Prizes I still maintain
    that unless you're insanely talented and passionate about your
    field, scientific careers have deteriorated so much in the U.S.
    in the last 50 years that they should be left to those who have
    fewer choices in life, i.e., mostly immigrants. If you're U.S.-born
    and have a high IQ, you'll be better off in terms of salary and status
    going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting,
    etc. One caveat though is that the military-industrial complex needs
    vast numbers of U.S.-born Ph.D.'s since you can't do this kind of work
    without a top level security clearance

    The “easiest” way to win a Nobel Prize in the sciences, huh? What are the other easy ways?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    "The easiest" doesn't necessarily mean "easy." It just means
    easier relative to all the other methods - none of them are
    a walk in the park. Beating out all the other candidates to
    become an assistant to a Nobel Prize winner is an
    accomplishment in itself. Most countries don't even
    have a living Nobel laureate.
  132. Lone genius is almost always white and male.

    Why, yes; yes, it is.

    • LOL: L Woods
  133. @Moshe
    Why would Jews want to be considered "White" ?

    I mean you say it like it's unfair that some people don't consider Jews white!

    They are honored by Our presence. We however require theirs like they require blacks - as worker bees.

    Do we need them at all? I think that’s an open question.

  134. @Jim
    Regarding the accusation that the Nobel Prize "propagates the myth of the lone genius" actually a very large number of the prizes have been awarded to several people for contributions to a particular development.

    Regarding the accusation that the Nobel Prize “propagates the myth of the lone genius” actually a very large number of the prizes have been awarded to several people for contributions to a particular development.

    Ditto. There had been no true breakthrough in hard sciences in past, say, 30 years. Looks like physics from 1880 to 1900. Many admirable contributors on small scale.

  135. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think this article has also been partly motivated as a response to thomms comment containing ‘list of indian inventions’ and discoveries link….. that he posted a few days back. Why? It occured too soon after that comment.

    Lest somebody think i made this comment to brag about indians…let me say a similar list exists about chinese, japanese, koreans and a lot of other countries. Simply type ‘list of ( the country whose inventions you want to know) inventions’ in online search 🙂

    • Replies: @bomag
    If you had to choose one continent's discoveries on which to live...

    Is it even close?
  136. List of Zimbabwe inventions turns up nothing for me, really.

  137. @biz
    The "easiest" way to win a Nobel Prize in the sciences, huh? What are the other easy ways?

    “The easiest” doesn’t necessarily mean “easy.” It just means
    easier relative to all the other methods – none of them are
    a walk in the park. Beating out all the other candidates to
    become an assistant to a Nobel Prize winner is an
    accomplishment in itself. Most countries don’t even
    have a living Nobel laureate.

  138. @YetAnotherAnon
    Here's a challenge to the numerate iStevers, a Nobel possibility lying on the sidewalk waiting to be picked up - has anyone satisfactorily explained static electricity? From van der Graaf/Wimshurst machines to lightning?

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B - what makes them come away and stay away?

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B – what makes them come away and stay away?

    Racism!

    Well that seems to be the answer for everything these days.

  139. In this and another, recent entry, Steve has left out the distinction between Jew and Gentile. Perhaps he is trying to encourage Jews and Gentiles both to think of Jews as White.

    We / They should.

    We / They are.

    Someone here once suggested that Steve include in his upcoming book something about what an American is. Maybe he’s decided instead to try to define what a White person is.

    He has suggested that Jewish elites might decide that it is “good for the Jews” to give up on the “Coalition of the Fringes” and instead to work their various efforts as that part of the Caucasian race that they are. He has also freely admitted that this would be “good for the Goys.”

    This idea seems hopeless when one reads in comments here that some think they don’t need White Gentiles, or that they only need them “the way Whites need the Blacks” for labor. One could say that those comments sound ridiculous coming from a few barnacles that have been attached to the White Ship of Civilization for centuries, but one shouldn’t. That would be too harsh and simple.

    Even so, it seems likely that without Jewish Nobel Prize winners, modern, White Civilization would have come along just fine. The converse cannot be said to be true at all. Who needs Whom? It’s obvious. Just ask Israel the next time it cashes another multi-billion-dollar American Government check.

    Are we going to waste ourselves on “Who / Whom” again, or are we going to admit we are together? Let these words be a squabble among cousins, instead of a fight between imagined opposites.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Someone here once suggested that Steve include in his upcoming book something about what an American is. Maybe he’s decided instead to try to define what a White person is.
     
    The former is more generally productive, but in the context of pervasive anti-white prejudice one is left with the latter perforce.
  140. @weyyar
    Funny how Jews are sometimes white , sometimes not.
    They are when they win Nobels.
    Not when they import Third World immigrants

    Nor are they when they spew anti-white hatred like Sontag (which seems to happen a lot by the Jewish leadership).

  141. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    The movie “Agora’ is interesting but has at it’s heart a hilarious flaw.

    The star of the film is Rachel Weisz, a real Hollywood star. She is married to Daniel Craig (James Bond). So she is authentic movie town royalty. This is relevant because you usually see high brow films with an agenda (celebrating female scientists) produced with lesser quality actors and sets.

    The sets and special effects are also top drawer. The virtual camera swoops over a very plausible ancient city. The costuming also appears authentic as far as I can tell.

    But the one item that should be correct is hideously wrong. As I remember for most of the movie they worry about the reason that it is warmer in summer and cooler in winter. Finally Hypatia – the female genius, solves this problem in the final reel. The film also has a post drama title explaining just how brilliant Hypatia was for figuring this out.

    But the ‘solution’ to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farter away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer. That, of course, is nonsense. I think every public school student in about the fifth grade learns about the globe’s axial tilt.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    But the ‘solution’ to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farther away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer.
     
    In fact, at present, the earth is closest to the sun in January.

    There are multiple long-term (up to 400,000 years) cycles due to planetary interactions etc. that interact to affect the earth's orbit and "attitude" in space. These are collectively known as Milankovitch cycles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles#Effect_on_temperature

    , @Guy de Champlagne
    From what I remember she discovered that the solar system was heliocentric with elliptical orbits, a full 1000 years before Kepler. The fact that they couldn't come up with something semi plausible for her to discover was emblematic of the overall poor writing.

    But the best part was definitely the overall look of the film. I'll forgive a lot for a movie that's visually interesting because that's something you can't just get from reading a book yourself.
  142. @Buzz Mohawk
    Can't help myself... Since this is, ahem, "United Nations" World Space Week, here are 12 more White Men:

    http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Toons/moonwalkers.jpg

    Peak Whiteness.

  143. @PiltdownMan
    Agreed. A some Iranians do look distinctly European and the late Maryam Mirzakhani was one of them.

    http://www.pulseheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    Well, “Iran” does mean “Aryan”…paging Jason Reza Jorjani!

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jim
    I think only roughly half of Iranians are native speakers of Farsi. Kurdish though is also "Aryan". There are many speakers of Turkic and Caucasian languages in Iran.
  144. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    Proponents of Hypatia as a victim of White Male Christendom need to know that her work likely disappeared when Muslims conquered Egypt and burned the Library of Alexandria.

  145. @Whiskey
    Hypatia Lee hasn't been stoned since she stopped doing pr0n in the 1980s.

    Michael Mann the author of the infamous “Hockey Stick” graph cites himself as a Nobel Prize winner. He, of course, never won an individual prize in any science. He bases his claim on The IPCC and Al Gore being awarded the Peace Prize. Mann is a member of the IPCC, along with hundreds of others, so he now has enhanced his resume and articles with the claim that he is a Nobel Laureate.

  146. @Mr. Anon

    If you’re U.S.-born and have a high IQ, you’ll be better off in terms of salary and status going into banking, finance (e.g., as a quant), economics, consulting, etc.
     
    It depends on what you want out of life. If you just want a high income and a comfortable life, what you say is true. Most people who go into science don't think that way, at least initially anyway. When they realize what's required to succeed in the field, a lot of them opt out for easier and more renumerative careers.

    And it is true, as you point out, that scientific careers seem to have gotten crummier in the last thirty years or so.

    Let me clarify: getting an undergraduate degree in any
    scientific, quantitative or technical field for a U.S. born
    student is still I think an excellent investment into your
    future. It sets up a foundation from which one can launch
    any number of careers.

    Let me recommend the essay “Women in Science” by Philip
    Greenspun originally published on his Harvard blog around
    2007, and recently updated due to high demand. It’s just as
    relevant if you’re a young male student who aspires to a career
    in science. It describes the deterioration of the scientific careers
    as compared to the halcyon days in the 1950s-’70s better than
    I could summarize here. I couldn’t possibly do justice to the
    amount of detail Greenspun provides in his blog post.

  147. @Realist
    I am 1/4 Norwegian and as much as it pains me, I have to agree.

    Fortunately, there are still many stout Norwegian with a little more sense and compassion than their “betters” in parliament. Indeed, recent indications are that Norwegians are the first Western nation to wake up from the alien-worship nightmare.

    Sadly, all too many Western countries have allowed themselves to be kidnapped in slow motion by hard core Left-totalitarians over the last 50 years, initially with heavy support from the Soviet Union.

    The Left’s “long march through the institutions” has succeeded beyond the dreams of political avarice. Media, elective politics, the executive and even large corporations.

    What we have is a joined-up structure of Left-elitists and apparatchiks working tirelessly to create precisely the two-class society that Leftists had always projected in their propaganda.

    • Replies: @Realist
    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansifacation pandemic over much of Europe.
  148. @Whiskey
    Hypatia Lee hasn't been stoned since she stopped doing pr0n in the 1980s.

    Good God, Whiskey! I have no idea what you’re going on about, but it’s always entertaining

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Whiskey is riffing on a former Native American porn actress, Hyapatia Lee, along with the idiotic Sarah Silverman line about women having to get high to do porn.

    As with everything else Whiskey, he's dead wrong; Hyapatia Lee has gotten stoned pretty much every day of her adult life!

    https://longevity.media/interview-with-hyapatia-lee-founder-of-native-strength-part-ii

  149. Not only white, every one of these men is a product of the Anglo-Germanic peoples or their institutions.

  150. @PiltdownMan
    Agreed. A some Iranians do look distinctly European and the late Maryam Mirzakhani was one of them.

    http://www.pulseheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Maryam-Mirzakhani.jpg

    It’s not hard to breed toward looking “European” to an uncritical eye. Though, looking European is inconsequential. Interbred “Europeans”, with significant African and Arab genes, are difficult to manage and live with in their own right. They shouldn’t be considered to be European, or White, to the extent that they are considered to be the same race as the non-mixed stock that creates Europe’s best societies. Protecting that relatively unmixed stock is what is important to racial politics.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  151. @weyyar
    Funny how Jews are sometimes white , sometimes not.
    They are when they win Nobels.
    Not when they import Third World immigrants

    Jews are not White anymore than an Arab or Central Asian is White.

  152. @Anonymous
    I have a feeling that in another year or two, the Nobel Prize is going to turn into the Black Oscars fiasco, where you'd better gibsmedat or you a racist who deserves to be robbed and stoned to death.

    Imagine a research lab operation where the hard science is being done by people behind the scenes, and then is handed off to a team of African “scientists” who present it. That’s likely to be the Oscars outcome political equivalent for possible Nobel level science in the future.

  153. Of course, white men won 9 out of 9. White variance is very high, and so the ‘median’ white performance is not very meaningful.

    Whites can easily be bifurcated in two groups of unequal size (the lower group being much smaller). Hence, the hierarchy of talent/brains/character across the races is :

    Talented, quality whites
    Asians (East and South)
    Hispanics
    Blacks
    Untalented, loser whites.

    Man, you got it bad. Obviously some serious psychological issues going on with you.

  154. @Pat Boyle
    The movie "Agora' is interesting but has at it's heart a hilarious flaw.

    The star of the film is Rachel Weisz, a real Hollywood star. She is married to Daniel Craig (James Bond). So she is authentic movie town royalty. This is relevant because you usually see high brow films with an agenda (celebrating female scientists) produced with lesser quality actors and sets.

    The sets and special effects are also top drawer. The virtual camera swoops over a very plausible ancient city. The costuming also appears authentic as far as I can tell.

    But the one item that should be correct is hideously wrong. As I remember for most of the movie they worry about the reason that it is warmer in summer and cooler in winter. Finally Hypatia - the female genius, solves this problem in the final reel. The film also has a post drama title explaining just how brilliant Hypatia was for figuring this out.

    But the 'solution' to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farter away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer. That, of course, is nonsense. I think every public school student in about the fifth grade learns about the globe's axial tilt.

    But the ‘solution’ to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farther away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer.

    In fact, at present, the earth is closest to the sun in January.

    There are multiple long-term (up to 400,000 years) cycles due to planetary interactions etc. that interact to affect the earth’s orbit and “attitude” in space. These are collectively known as Milankovitch cycles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles#Effect_on_temperature

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    There are multiple long-term (up to 400,000 years) cycles due to planetary interactions etc. that interact to affect the earth’s orbit and “attitude” in space. These are collectively known as Milankovitch cycles.
     
    Yep. I thought everyone knew about these cycles from that other great film about a famous scientist: Being John Milankovitch.
  155. Spot the woman at the Solvay Conference:

    View post on imgur.com

  156. @YetAnotherAnon
    Here's a challenge to the numerate iStevers, a Nobel possibility lying on the sidewalk waiting to be picked up - has anyone satisfactorily explained static electricity? From van der Graaf/Wimshurst machines to lightning?

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B - what makes them come away and stay away?

    Racism.

  157. @Anonym
    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphonious

    1. Pleasant-sounding; agreeable to the ear; possessing or demonstrating euphony.
     
    (Lol)

    “Syonredux” is more euphonious .

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/euphonious

    1. Pleasant-sounding; agreeable to the ear; possessing or demonstrating euphony.

    (Lol)

    Ah, well, caviar to the general, I suppose….

  158. @Buzz Mohawk
    In this and another, recent entry, Steve has left out the distinction between Jew and Gentile. Perhaps he is trying to encourage Jews and Gentiles both to think of Jews as White.

    We / They should.

    We / They are.

    Someone here once suggested that Steve include in his upcoming book something about what an American is. Maybe he's decided instead to try to define what a White person is.

    He has suggested that Jewish elites might decide that it is "good for the Jews" to give up on the "Coalition of the Fringes" and instead to work their various efforts as that part of the Caucasian race that they are. He has also freely admitted that this would be "good for the Goys."

    This idea seems hopeless when one reads in comments here that some think they don't need White Gentiles, or that they only need them "the way Whites need the Blacks" for labor. One could say that those comments sound ridiculous coming from a few barnacles that have been attached to the White Ship of Civilization for centuries, but one shouldn't. That would be too harsh and simple.

    Even so, it seems likely that without Jewish Nobel Prize winners, modern, White Civilization would have come along just fine. The converse cannot be said to be true at all. Who needs Whom? It's obvious. Just ask Israel the next time it cashes another multi-billion-dollar American Government check.

    Are we going to waste ourselves on "Who / Whom" again, or are we going to admit we are together? Let these words be a squabble among cousins, instead of a fight between imagined opposites.

    Someone here once suggested that Steve include in his upcoming book something about what an American is. Maybe he’s decided instead to try to define what a White person is.

    The former is more generally productive, but in the context of pervasive anti-white prejudice one is left with the latter perforce.

  159. @TipTipTopKek
    So what you're saying is, Steve's headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.

    So what you’re saying is, Steve’s headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.

    No, I’m noting that, out of a group of 9 White Nobel laureates, a disproportionate number were Ashkenazi Jews.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any "Semitic" or other non-white genes.
  160. @Pat Boyle
    The movie "Agora' is interesting but has at it's heart a hilarious flaw.

    The star of the film is Rachel Weisz, a real Hollywood star. She is married to Daniel Craig (James Bond). So she is authentic movie town royalty. This is relevant because you usually see high brow films with an agenda (celebrating female scientists) produced with lesser quality actors and sets.

    The sets and special effects are also top drawer. The virtual camera swoops over a very plausible ancient city. The costuming also appears authentic as far as I can tell.

    But the one item that should be correct is hideously wrong. As I remember for most of the movie they worry about the reason that it is warmer in summer and cooler in winter. Finally Hypatia - the female genius, solves this problem in the final reel. The film also has a post drama title explaining just how brilliant Hypatia was for figuring this out.

    But the 'solution' to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farter away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer. That, of course, is nonsense. I think every public school student in about the fifth grade learns about the globe's axial tilt.

    From what I remember she discovered that the solar system was heliocentric with elliptical orbits, a full 1000 years before Kepler. The fact that they couldn’t come up with something semi plausible for her to discover was emblematic of the overall poor writing.

    But the best part was definitely the overall look of the film. I’ll forgive a lot for a movie that’s visually interesting because that’s something you can’t just get from reading a book yourself.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I was making a movie review not a comment on the real historic character. But I agree. the film was pleasant to watch. It was a quality production. That's why it was so jarring to have the goofy 'science' in it.
    , @Jim
    Aristarchus advanced both the theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun and also that the motion of the fixed stars is just apparent and due to the rotation of the Earth about it's axis. In the Sand Reckoner Archimedes gives a neutral description of Aristarchus' theory. I think a big obstacle to the acceptance of these theories was just the reaction "if the Earth is moving what don't we feel it?". When I consider that I'm currently moving about 1,000 mph from West to East I feel like I should grab onto something.

    Today when most of us have had the experience of speeding smoothly along in a jet plane it is much easier to accept the motion of the Earth.

    The Hellenistic astronomers by the way did have a good idea of the size of the Solar System out to Saturn as well as the sizes of the Earth, Moon and Sun. They knew that the fixed stars were far more distant than the planets and correctly guessed that they were distant suns.

  161. @fish
    Has anybody inquired of Leonard Pitts his opinion re this injustice?

    He’s crying a river.

  162. @Tracy

    It’s especially funny that they included “bishop” and “2,500 years ago” in the same thought.
     
    Especially since the Bishop in question -- St. Cyril -- didn't order Hypatia's death in the first place. People love to make up crap about anything Catholic.

    “People love to make up crap about anything Catholic”.

    Indeed so – most notably the current occupant of the See of Peter.

  163. @Jim
    Hypatia was indeed Greek, the daughter of Theon. It's true that none of her works survive but she was admired by her contemporaries and wrote a highly regarded commentary on Diophantus. In general our knowledge of Hellenistic mathematicians is often very slight. None of Perseus' works for example survive although the descriptions of them by contemporaries are fascinating.

    To be sure on the basis of the extant documentation it would be ridiculous to compare her with Archimedes or Diophantus. (Actually after Archimedes, Apollonius of Perga was the greatest of the Greek mathematicians.) However I don't doubt that Hypatia was a highly intelligent and deeply learned person.

    As I said, her legacy seems rather exiguous:

    There is no evidence that Hypatia undertook original mathematical research. However she assisted her father Theon of Alexandria in writing his eleven part commentary on Ptolemy’s Almagest Ⓣ. It is also thought that she also assisted her father in producing a new version of Euclid’s Elements which has become the basis for all later editions of Euclid. Heath writes of Theon and Hypatia’s edition of the Elements [4]:-
    .. while making only inconsiderable additions to the content of the “Elements”, he endeavoured to remove difficulties that might be felt by learners in studying the book, as a modern editor might do in editing a classical text-book for use in schools; and there is no doubt that his edition was approved by his pupils at Alexandria for whom it was written, as well as by later Greeks who used it almost exclusively…
    In addition to the joint work with her father, we are informed by Suidas that Hypatia wrote commentaries on Diophantus’s Arithmetica, on Apollonius’s Conics and on Ptolemy’s astronomical works. The passage in Suidas is far from clear and most historians doubt that Hypatia wrote any commentaries on Ptolemy other than the works which she composed jointly with her father.
    All Hypatia’s work is lost except for its titles and some references to it.
    However no purely philosophical work is known, only work in mathematics and astronomy. Based on this small amount of evidence Deakin, in [8] and [9], argues that Hypatia was an excellent compiler, editor, and preserver of earlier mathematical works.

    http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Hypatia.html

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    So, basically, she was a superlative bibliographer and librarian. A perfectly fine and respectable profession, especially in those times when such work was much more difficult. Why all the nonsense about her being a scientist or philosopher or mathematician, then?

    It’s the same old baloney about how Tom
    Petty was supposedly some kind of “iconoclast.” It never ends with these people. They compulsively make shit up for no apparent reason. (It’s not even quite lying – “Who, me? No, I didn’t break the lamp.” – in any conventional sense because there isn’t even any point to it.) It’s downright bizzare.
  164. @Eagle Eye
    Peace prize is awarded by a bunch of sniveling, genocide-loving Norwegians.

    The hard prizes are awarded by Sweden.

    Sweden seems to be on track to reach sharia domination, loss of liberty, and loss of their culture and way of life, sooner than any other formerly white western country. Swedes are the epitome of sniveling self-hating little slaves, worse than the Danes or anyone else. I’m part Scandinavian and ashamed of them right now.

    • Replies: @fish
    It's a shame but I do appreciate the Swedes "taking one for the team" as it were! Every Rapetober and New "Citizen" shitfest will serve as an example to the rest of the world!
    , @sabril
    I wonder how many years it will be until the Nobel Committee is majority Muslim. If that happens, we could see some interesting decisions.
  165. @Guy de Champlagne
    From what I remember she discovered that the solar system was heliocentric with elliptical orbits, a full 1000 years before Kepler. The fact that they couldn't come up with something semi plausible for her to discover was emblematic of the overall poor writing.

    But the best part was definitely the overall look of the film. I'll forgive a lot for a movie that's visually interesting because that's something you can't just get from reading a book yourself.

    I was making a movie review not a comment on the real historic character. But I agree. the film was pleasant to watch. It was a quality production. That’s why it was so jarring to have the goofy ‘science’ in it.

  166. @syonredux

    So what you’re saying is, Steve’s headline is wrong, and at most, only 7 of the 9 were White, and at least 2 of the 9 were non-White, because they were Jewish.
     
    No, I'm noting that, out of a group of 9 White Nobel laureates, a disproportionate number were Ashkenazi Jews.

    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any “Semitic” or other non-white genes.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any “Semitic” or other non-white genes.
     
    Italian is the biggest component:

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any “Semitic” or other non-white genes.
     
    "Shades" of Alfred E Smith:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/al-smith
  167. Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn’t be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Interestingly, Sabrina Pasterski, a 23-year-old Ph.D.
    candidate in physics at Harvard, is usually described
    as a Cuban-American, not Polish-American. She made
    a lot of headlines recently as the "Next Einstein."

    A few months ago John Horgan had a column in Scientific
    American making an argument why there won't be another
    Einstein. Basically, the Age of Genius is over. We've found
    the fundamental laws describing the Universe, and any new
    earth-shattering discoveries in physics are extremely unlikely.
    Physics has lost its fizz, as he puts it. What a contrast to 150
    years ago when Jules Verne was writing his science fiction,
    and the Earth itself still appeared very mysterious. Even back
    in the 1950s it was still possible to believe that there were
    (artificial) canals on Mars. Now the mystery is gone, which
    explains partly why students in the West have lost a lot of
    interest in the hard sciences. Many physics departments, for
    example, have either closed or lost so much enrollment they
    became consolidated with chemistry. In academia, those departments
    that attract girls thrive, and those that do not wither and die.
    , @Autochthon

    At age sixteen, she piloted the aircraft herself over Lake Michigan, becoming the youngest person ever to fly their own plane.
     
    Damn. She’s way more impressive than Einstein: he was only one man; she is apparently of the new generation who are two (or more?) people in one person. We all know the impressive status lf the last human to pull that off in the old days....

    By the by, anyone who thinks this woman is a “babe” needs to get out more....
    , @bomag

    “Our mouths were hanging open after we looked at it,” Haggerty recalls. “Her potential is off the charts.”
     
    A bit much. I'd rather the superlatives come after the breakthrough discoveries.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Clicking through that link yields this interesting bit of information.


    Pasterski is exceptional in many ways, but she’s also part of a growing trend. In 1999, the number people earning physics bachelor’s degrees in the U.S. was at its lowest point in four decades, with only 3,178 awarded that year. However, in 2015 things looked much different, according to the American Institute of Physics. That year 8,081 bachelor’s degrees in physics were awarded — an all-time high. Physics doctorates also reached an all-time high of 1,860 in 2015. These numbers aren’t flukes or random spikes; the numbers for the previous two years were also high.

    This trend is due in part to higher enrollment and less attrition among female students. These women remain a minority in physics and astronomy, and many are still having to face challenges with impostor syndrome and mentoring. However, more female students in physics means more graduates overall and a more active scientific community in the U.S.
     

    I wonder what's really going on?

    The last boom in physics majors was in the 1950s, occasioned by the preceding golden decades of physics and talk about the "atomic age."

    There's nothing similar happening now to cause more kids to pursue physics.

    , @PhysicistDave
    George wrote:

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23
     
    The academic world and the mass media are guilty of child abuse in terms of how they are treating this girl.

    I've glanced over some of the papers listed on her webapge. The ones I read written when she was an undergrad show her to have been a bright, but not stunningly brilliant, student. Her papers written more recently show a very good grad student able to carry out the instructions of her advisor and collaborate with him successfully.

    However, if you look at her webpage, you will find that in 2013 and 2014, she provides links mainly to her work in physics. But, starting in 2015 the focus turns increasingly to her being mentioned in the news media, her being invited to various high-toned events, and her becoming the darling of certain segments of the academic community. For 2017, less than twenty percent link directly to her actual work.

    I do not blame Sabrina Pasterski: it would be hard for any young woman (or young man) to resist all this hype.

    But, she is not being well-served by adults who are turning her into a cult figure rather than a physicist.

    The "next Einstein"? She certainly has the potential to become a competent theoretical physicist, and any competent physicist might be the "next Einstein." (The truth is that Einstein himself did not seem that promising until his annus mirabilis, 1905: it is really foolish to try to predict this sort of thing!) But, while not impossible, it is exceedingly unlikely that she, or any other specific individual, will be the next Einstein.

    Perhaps the most bizarre statement comes from the Sun in the UK: she "is already one of the most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US"!

    Uh, no. I do not recall ever hearing her name until it was mentioned in this blog. I'm a physicist interested in the same areas she is working in: I do know who the "most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US" are in those areas.

    The physicist she is working with, Andy Strominger, is a very well-known physicist. and the projects they are working on overlap some of my own interests. I am not disparaging Pasterski's ability or her commitment. I am only disparaging the absurd hype which is in danger of drowning this young woman.

    She could have succeeded without the hype. But, for her to ignore the hype and focus on doing science is going to require a stronger character than most people have. I sincerely hope she can manage to deal with all this.

    (Obviously, I am not contesting the points anyone here has made about this case, but I thought some people might be interested in more details from a physicist who has actually looked at some of her work.)
  168. @RadicalCenter
    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any "Semitic" or other non-white genes.

    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any “Semitic” or other non-white genes.

    Italian is the biggest component:

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

  169. @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    Well said. And the infrastructure the colonialists built has gone to hell because Africans don’t do boring things like maintenance. Paul Theroux talks about this at length in Dark Star.

  170. @Anon
    Currently reading "As Thousands Cheer" bio of Irving Berlin, and it's amazing how many chosenite songsmiths back then trafficked heavily in 'coon' material. Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.

    Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.

    If they did, they no doubt improved it:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/

    Avalon, Hello Dolly, and My Sweet Lord were all successfully sued for plagiarism. Nature Boy was threatened with one, but both sides profited more from a settlement. In these cases the purloining was neither conscious nor deliberate.

    Make ‘Em Laugh in Singing in the Rain was clearly stolen from Cole Porter’s Be a Clown (in The Pirate, but by whom? By lyricist and producer Arthur Freed, deliberately, or by nominal composer Nacio Herb Brown (of German, Mexican, and WASP background), inadvertently?

    Irving Berlin, a street kid of a litigious bent himself, strongly encouraged Porter to sue Freed and Brown. Porter, the high-born WASP preppy, politely declined. Good manners, yes, but the two films were put out by the same studio as well.

  171. @Tony
    Maybe the Nobels arent caving in with the hard sciences but they sure caved in when they gave Obama the Peace Prize.

    It is only fitting that the first affirmative action President of the USA should also have been the first affirmative action winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.

  172. Wonder what the odds were.

  173. @Anon
    Currently reading "As Thousands Cheer" bio of Irving Berlin, and it's amazing how many chosenite songsmiths back then trafficked heavily in 'coon' material. Some (including Mr Berlin) were repeatedly accused of stealing black music.

    Fats Waller’s son maintained that his father sold Jimmy McHugh the tune to On the Sunny Side of the Street, and always resented not getting credit for it. Fats would seethe whenever he heard it on the radio.

    The funny thing is that both men had proven quite capable of producing first-rate melodies by themselves, and this particular song wasn’t one of them. I’m Getting Sentimental Over You came out three years later, making much better use of the same opening motif.

  174. Not to worry. Google can ‘blackface’ all of them, so if you search for Nobel Prize Science winners on Google, it will show only ‘black’ scientists.

  175. @RadicalCenter
    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any "Semitic" or other non-white genes.

    Who themselves typically have a substantial complement of Italian, Germanic, and/or Slavic genes, more in fact than any “Semitic” or other non-white genes.

    “Shades” of Alfred E Smith:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/al-smith

  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is not surprising at all: it takes a very long to develop world-class centers of research and creating a tradition of scientific research. Even Japan was very underwhelming in terms of Nobel Prize wins up to the 1990’s.

    Interestingly, even though Europe has decayed massively since the end of WW2 in terms of scientific and intellectual output, they are still sometimes extremely impressive: in some years, Europeans come close to taking all Nobels as well as the Field Medal. For instance, France, a small country of only around 60 million people, has won 12 Fields Medals, which is only one less than the U.S has won with a population 4 X larger.

    However, I don’t think ethnicity is that important: I think that more important is a tradition of academic excellency and nurturing native talent. For instance, Artur Avila is a brown Brazilian from a poor background who won the Fields Medal. Not only that, he is being considered for the Nobel Prize in physics. Here is Ávila giving a lecture on one-frequency Shrodinger operators to physicists from the perspective of a mathematician

    Avila is generally considered to be one of the most intelligent human beings on the planet, those dozen people or so who’s intellect is too high to be measured or defined by intelligence tests. *And* he speaks English with a Russian accent! Does he look white? Hmmm…I don’t know. His skin is pretty swarthy and his hair is pretty curly.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    For instance, Artur Avila is a brown Brazilian from a poor background who won the Fields Medal.
     
    Doesn't look that "brown" to me:

    https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images-crops/2016/07/04/the-art-of-artur-avila-brazils-math-genius-314-body-image-1467628390-size_1000.jpg?output-quality=75

    Looks like a pretty typical Southern European guy (Sardinia, say).

    And his Fields Medal brings Brazil's grand total of Fields medals to....one (which is better than none).
    , @syonredux
    RE: Fields Medals

    United States 12

    France 10

    Soviet Union (3) / Russia (6) 9

    United Kingdom 7

    Japan 3
    Belgium 2

    West Germany (1) / Germany (0) 1

    Australia 1

    British Hong Kong 1

    Finland 1

    Israel 1

    Italy 1

    Norway 1

    New Zealand 1

    Sweden 1

    Vietnam 1

    Iran 1

    Brazil 1

    (None Stateless) 1

    I’ve left out Manjul Bhargava. His background is complicated.

    Latin America has a grand total of 1, and Africa is a yawning void.....
  177. @Guy de Champlagne
    There was a pretty good movie about Hypatia called Agora like ten years ago. It had really good sets. The budget was $70 million and I don't know what could of cost that much except for the sets.

    Men shouldn't let the fact that a tiny number of men won a prestigious prize distract them from the fact that they have a lower standard of living than women by just about any broad measure and struggle more and more every year to find any productive role in society at all. It's stupid feminist logic to say that since the people at the top are mostly men therefore men are on top but men eat it up because it feeds into male vanity.

    A historian of the period did a pretty thorough takedown of that movie, and of the Gibbon-esque bad history it contained (an atheist, no less, so no dog in the fight):

    https://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/05/agora-and-hypatia-hollywood-strikes.html

    https://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2010/05/hypatia-and-agora-redux.html

    Hypatia was collateral damage in an utterly moronic knock-down drag-out political fight, and shouldn’t be remembered as an example of anything besides why you shouldn’t use out-of-town mobs to muscle people.

  178. @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    IQ is just one component of the very high variance among whites. Other dimensions are talent, looks, and character. Some WNs have decent IQ but are nonetheless extremely inept in all ways.

    For example, we all agree that white women have very high variance in looks (all points on the 1-10 scale are well represented), whereas East Asian (young) women all fall within the 5-8 range.

    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.

    • Replies: @AM

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist.
     
    Clearly, the value of anyone's life can be measured by how not racist they are.
    , @bomag

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about.
     
    They are the ones going extinct under current policy.
    , @Patrick Sullivan
    Re young Asian women, they certainly turn out to be fat cows a lot less often than white (or black!) women do, but on the other hand a significant number of them are built like 11 year-olds, which is not a look I would give a 5 or higher to. And there's a tendency among many East Asians toward really, really bad, pockmarked skin, for instance. The point being the Asian 1s and 2s are out there.
  179. @RadicalCenter
    Sweden seems to be on track to reach sharia domination, loss of liberty, and loss of their culture and way of life, sooner than any other formerly white western country. Swedes are the epitome of sniveling self-hating little slaves, worse than the Danes or anyone else. I'm part Scandinavian and ashamed of them right now.

    It’s a shame but I do appreciate the Swedes “taking one for the team” as it were! Every Rapetober and New “Citizen” shitfest will serve as an example to the rest of the world!

  180. @Eagle Eye

    But the ‘solution’ to the phenomenon of the seasons that she comes up with in the movie is dead flat wrong. In the movie she concludes that the earth moves farther away from the sun in the winter and closer in the summer.
     
    In fact, at present, the earth is closest to the sun in January.

    There are multiple long-term (up to 400,000 years) cycles due to planetary interactions etc. that interact to affect the earth's orbit and "attitude" in space. These are collectively known as Milankovitch cycles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles#Effect_on_temperature

    There are multiple long-term (up to 400,000 years) cycles due to planetary interactions etc. that interact to affect the earth’s orbit and “attitude” in space. These are collectively known as Milankovitch cycles.

    Yep. I thought everyone knew about these cycles from that other great film about a famous scientist: Being John Milankovitch.

  181. @Eagle Eye
    Fortunately, there are still many stout Norwegian with a little more sense and compassion than their "betters" in parliament. Indeed, recent indications are that Norwegians are the first Western nation to wake up from the alien-worship nightmare.

    Sadly, all too many Western countries have allowed themselves to be kidnapped in slow motion by hard core Left-totalitarians over the last 50 years, initially with heavy support from the Soviet Union.

    The Left's "long march through the institutions" has succeeded beyond the dreams of political avarice. Media, elective politics, the executive and even large corporations.

    What we have is a joined-up structure of Left-elitists and apparatchiks working tirelessly to create precisely the two-class society that Leftists had always projected in their propaganda.

    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansifacation pandemic over much of Europe.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansification pandemic over much of Europe.
     
    Goes to show the better class of Europeans moved to the U.S., probably going back to Leif Erikson.

    Also don't forget the early history of migration to the U.S. - definitely more enterprising characters than those who staid home, e.g. British criminals and cadet toffs, later political malcontents from Germany after 1848, Italy, czarist Russia, Ryukyus (now part of Japan), etc.

  182. @JohnnyD
    My prediction: A Nobel Prize will be awarded to some pseudo-scientist for his/her/its work on transgenderism.

    Hey, they gave a Nobel for lobotomies, why shouldn’t they have another screw up?

  183. @Mitchell Porter
    @syonredux The wrong date and the wrong race go together here - 2500 years ago was just before Greeks conquered Egypt. Though we'd still have that anachronistic "Bishop" causing problems. Maybe some version of Fomenko's New Chronology can fix things.

    Well, a “bishop” is an overseer (episcopos). So with some more dodgy time-traveling perhaps it is the Egyptian overseer killed by Moses?

  184. @Thomm
    IQ is just one component of the very high variance among whites. Other dimensions are talent, looks, and character. Some WNs have decent IQ but are nonetheless extremely inept in all ways.

    For example, we all agree that white women have very high variance in looks (all points on the 1-10 scale are well represented), whereas East Asian (young) women all fall within the 5-8 range.


    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?
     
    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist.

    Clearly, the value of anyone’s life can be measured by how not racist they are.

    • LOL: bomag
  185. @Thomm
    IQ is just one component of the very high variance among whites. Other dimensions are talent, looks, and character. Some WNs have decent IQ but are nonetheless extremely inept in all ways.

    For example, we all agree that white women have very high variance in looks (all points on the 1-10 scale are well represented), whereas East Asian (young) women all fall within the 5-8 range.


    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?
     
    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about.

    They are the ones going extinct under current policy.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    They are the ones going extinct under current policy.
     
    Sadly, yes.
  186. What, no People of Color? Waiting for Genius T-N Coates to weigh in.

  187. @RadicalCenter
    Sweden seems to be on track to reach sharia domination, loss of liberty, and loss of their culture and way of life, sooner than any other formerly white western country. Swedes are the epitome of sniveling self-hating little slaves, worse than the Danes or anyone else. I'm part Scandinavian and ashamed of them right now.

    I wonder how many years it will be until the Nobel Committee is majority Muslim. If that happens, we could see some interesting decisions.

  188. @bomag

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about.
     
    They are the ones going extinct under current policy.

    They are the ones going extinct under current policy.

    Sadly, yes.

  189. @Anonymous
    This is not surprising at all: it takes a very long to develop world-class centers of research and creating a tradition of scientific research. Even Japan was very underwhelming in terms of Nobel Prize wins up to the 1990's.

    Interestingly, even though Europe has decayed massively since the end of WW2 in terms of scientific and intellectual output, they are still sometimes extremely impressive: in some years, Europeans come close to taking all Nobels as well as the Field Medal. For instance, France, a small country of only around 60 million people, has won 12 Fields Medals, which is only one less than the U.S has won with a population 4 X larger.

    However, I don't think ethnicity is that important: I think that more important is a tradition of academic excellency and nurturing native talent. For instance, Artur Avila is a brown Brazilian from a poor background who won the Fields Medal. Not only that, he is being considered for the Nobel Prize in physics. Here is Ávila giving a lecture on one-frequency Shrodinger operators to physicists from the perspective of a mathematician https://youtu.be/iHO7plsEhHM Avila is generally considered to be one of the most intelligent human beings on the planet, those dozen people or so who's intellect is too high to be measured or defined by intelligence tests. *And* he speaks English with a Russian accent! Does he look white? Hmmm...I don't know. His skin is pretty swarthy and his hair is pretty curly.

    For instance, Artur Avila is a brown Brazilian from a poor background who won the Fields Medal.

    Doesn’t look that “brown” to me:

    https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images-crops/2016/07/04/the-art-of-artur-avila-brazils-math-genius-314-body-image-1467628390-size_1000.jpg?output-quality=75

    Looks like a pretty typical Southern European guy (Sardinia, say).

    And his Fields Medal brings Brazil’s grand total of Fields medals to….one (which is better than none).

  190. @george
    Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn't be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    Interestingly, Sabrina Pasterski, a 23-year-old Ph.D.
    candidate in physics at Harvard, is usually described
    as a Cuban-American, not Polish-American. She made
    a lot of headlines recently as the “Next Einstein.”

    A few months ago John Horgan had a column in Scientific
    American making an argument why there won’t be another
    Einstein. Basically, the Age of Genius is over. We’ve found
    the fundamental laws describing the Universe, and any new
    earth-shattering discoveries in physics are extremely unlikely.
    Physics has lost its fizz, as he puts it. What a contrast to 150
    years ago when Jules Verne was writing his science fiction,
    and the Earth itself still appeared very mysterious. Even back
    in the 1950s it was still possible to believe that there were
    (artificial) canals on Mars. Now the mystery is gone, which
    explains partly why students in the West have lost a lot of
    interest in the hard sciences. Many physics departments, for
    example, have either closed or lost so much enrollment they
    became consolidated with chemistry. In academia, those departments
    that attract girls thrive, and those that do not wither and die.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @syonredux

    Interestingly, Sabrina Pasterski, a 23-year-old Ph.D.
    candidate in physics at Harvard, is usually described
    as a Cuban-American, not Polish-American.
     
    Poles don't get Diversity Points
  191. @Anonymous
    This is not surprising at all: it takes a very long to develop world-class centers of research and creating a tradition of scientific research. Even Japan was very underwhelming in terms of Nobel Prize wins up to the 1990's.

    Interestingly, even though Europe has decayed massively since the end of WW2 in terms of scientific and intellectual output, they are still sometimes extremely impressive: in some years, Europeans come close to taking all Nobels as well as the Field Medal. For instance, France, a small country of only around 60 million people, has won 12 Fields Medals, which is only one less than the U.S has won with a population 4 X larger.

    However, I don't think ethnicity is that important: I think that more important is a tradition of academic excellency and nurturing native talent. For instance, Artur Avila is a brown Brazilian from a poor background who won the Fields Medal. Not only that, he is being considered for the Nobel Prize in physics. Here is Ávila giving a lecture on one-frequency Shrodinger operators to physicists from the perspective of a mathematician https://youtu.be/iHO7plsEhHM Avila is generally considered to be one of the most intelligent human beings on the planet, those dozen people or so who's intellect is too high to be measured or defined by intelligence tests. *And* he speaks English with a Russian accent! Does he look white? Hmmm...I don't know. His skin is pretty swarthy and his hair is pretty curly.

    RE: Fields Medals

    United States 12

    France 10

    Soviet Union (3) / Russia (6) 9

    United Kingdom 7

    Japan 3
    Belgium 2

    West Germany (1) / Germany (0) 1

    Australia 1

    British Hong Kong 1

    Finland 1

    Israel 1

    Italy 1

    Norway 1

    New Zealand 1

    Sweden 1

    Vietnam 1

    Iran 1

    Brazil 1

    (None Stateless) 1

    I’ve left out Manjul Bhargava. His background is complicated.

    Latin America has a grand total of 1, and Africa is a yawning void…..

  192. @YetAnotherAnon
    Here's a challenge to the numerate iStevers, a Nobel possibility lying on the sidewalk waiting to be picked up - has anyone satisfactorily explained static electricity? From van der Graaf/Wimshurst machines to lightning?

    Intuitively it seems strange that you can strip lots of electrons off substance A merely by rubbing it with substance B - what makes them come away and stay away?
  193. @syonredux
    As I said, her legacy seems rather exiguous:

    There is no evidence that Hypatia undertook original mathematical research. However she assisted her father Theon of Alexandria in writing his eleven part commentary on Ptolemy's Almagest Ⓣ. It is also thought that she also assisted her father in producing a new version of Euclid's Elements which has become the basis for all later editions of Euclid. Heath writes of Theon and Hypatia's edition of the Elements [4]:-
    .. while making only inconsiderable additions to the content of the "Elements", he endeavoured to remove difficulties that might be felt by learners in studying the book, as a modern editor might do in editing a classical text-book for use in schools; and there is no doubt that his edition was approved by his pupils at Alexandria for whom it was written, as well as by later Greeks who used it almost exclusively...
    In addition to the joint work with her father, we are informed by Suidas that Hypatia wrote commentaries on Diophantus's Arithmetica, on Apollonius's Conics and on Ptolemy's astronomical works. The passage in Suidas is far from clear and most historians doubt that Hypatia wrote any commentaries on Ptolemy other than the works which she composed jointly with her father.
    All Hypatia's work is lost except for its titles and some references to it.
    However no purely philosophical work is known, only work in mathematics and astronomy. Based on this small amount of evidence Deakin, in [8] and [9], argues that Hypatia was an excellent compiler, editor, and preserver of earlier mathematical works.
     
    http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Hypatia.html

    So, basically, she was a superlative bibliographer and librarian. A perfectly fine and respectable profession, especially in those times when such work was much more difficult. Why all the nonsense about her being a scientist or philosopher or mathematician, then?

    It’s the same old baloney about how Tom
    Petty was supposedly some kind of “iconoclast.” It never ends with these people. They compulsively make shit up for no apparent reason. (It’s not even quite lying – “Who, me? No, I didn’t break the lamp.” – in any conventional sense because there isn’t even any point to it.) It’s downright bizzare.

    • Replies: @Jim
    Her commentaries on Diophantus were much praised. She had a great reputation for learning in both philosophy and mathematics. Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others. It should be noted though that the vast amount of Hellenistic mathematics has perished so the contributions of nearly all Hellenistic mathematicians left no extant records. It's simply impossible to assess her as a creative mathematician.

    Of course there have been some prominent female mathematicians.
  194. @george
    Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn't be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    At age sixteen, she piloted the aircraft herself over Lake Michigan, becoming the youngest person ever to fly their own plane.

    Damn. She’s way more impressive than Einstein: he was only one man; she is apparently of the new generation who are two (or more?) people in one person. We all know the impressive status lf the last human to pull that off in the old days….

    By the by, anyone who thinks this woman is a “babe” needs to get out more….

  195. @anony-mouse
    To save themselves the Nobel foundation should set up a gender studies award like they did with economics.

    In the case of the Fields Medal, a new medal, the Sally Field's medal should be awarded to the most liked, really liked, mathematician under 40. A woman would always win that one.

    Part of the award ceremony would involve the recipient standing on a table and rotating to everyone’s view a handlettered sign reading UNION.

  196. @Malcolm Y
    Some few years ago, had a (physics/chemistry?) book by Maria Goeppert Mayer - a lot of thermodynamics or statistical mechanics or something - very difficult (for me anyway) to understand. If she had complete mastery of that stuff, I have to give her a very pronounced tip of the hat. I believe her husband was in the same field but not nearly as famous.

    Isaac Asimov wrote one of his science essays about Maria Goeppert Mayer’s Nobel work, which he introduced by relating how Goeppert Mayer’s husband Joseph Mayer had given grad student Asimov a poor grade in a lab course at Columbia. Asimov went to talk to Mayer, who informed him, “The trouble with you, Asimov, is you can’t write.”

  197. @Thomm
    IQ is just one component of the very high variance among whites. Other dimensions are talent, looks, and character. Some WNs have decent IQ but are nonetheless extremely inept in all ways.

    For example, we all agree that white women have very high variance in looks (all points on the 1-10 scale are well represented), whereas East Asian (young) women all fall within the 5-8 range.


    I know it’s difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?
     
    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.

    Re young Asian women, they certainly turn out to be fat cows a lot less often than white (or black!) women do, but on the other hand a significant number of them are built like 11 year-olds, which is not a look I would give a 5 or higher to. And there’s a tendency among many East Asians toward really, really bad, pockmarked skin, for instance. The point being the Asian 1s and 2s are out there.

  198. This year’s Nobel Prize in Literature went to Kazuo Ishiguro, the English novelist of Japanese ancestry who writes with decidedly conservative traits as in Never Let Me Go, and The Remains of the Day. But of course that’s not a science prize, and everyone knows Asian males are white anyway.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They finally gave the Nobel to somebody I've read a few of his books!
  199. @Autochthon
    So, basically, she was a superlative bibliographer and librarian. A perfectly fine and respectable profession, especially in those times when such work was much more difficult. Why all the nonsense about her being a scientist or philosopher or mathematician, then?

    It’s the same old baloney about how Tom
    Petty was supposedly some kind of “iconoclast.” It never ends with these people. They compulsively make shit up for no apparent reason. (It’s not even quite lying – “Who, me? No, I didn’t break the lamp.” – in any conventional sense because there isn’t even any point to it.) It’s downright bizzare.

    Her commentaries on Diophantus were much praised. She had a great reputation for learning in both philosophy and mathematics. Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others. It should be noted though that the vast amount of Hellenistic mathematics has perished so the contributions of nearly all Hellenistic mathematicians left no extant records. It’s simply impossible to assess her as a creative mathematician.

    Of course there have been some prominent female mathematicians.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It could be that advanced math in the ancient world was particularly likely to be lost due to the difficulty of understanding its importance to re-copy it. About a century ago, it was noticed that a medieval monk had erased a page of Archimedes getting close to calculus in order to reuse the parchment.
    , @syonredux

    Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others.
     
    But that's the question. Did she make any original contributions to mathematics? We have no evidence that she did.
  200. @Anon 2
    Interestingly, Sabrina Pasterski, a 23-year-old Ph.D.
    candidate in physics at Harvard, is usually described
    as a Cuban-American, not Polish-American. She made
    a lot of headlines recently as the "Next Einstein."

    A few months ago John Horgan had a column in Scientific
    American making an argument why there won't be another
    Einstein. Basically, the Age of Genius is over. We've found
    the fundamental laws describing the Universe, and any new
    earth-shattering discoveries in physics are extremely unlikely.
    Physics has lost its fizz, as he puts it. What a contrast to 150
    years ago when Jules Verne was writing his science fiction,
    and the Earth itself still appeared very mysterious. Even back
    in the 1950s it was still possible to believe that there were
    (artificial) canals on Mars. Now the mystery is gone, which
    explains partly why students in the West have lost a lot of
    interest in the hard sciences. Many physics departments, for
    example, have either closed or lost so much enrollment they
    became consolidated with chemistry. In academia, those departments
    that attract girls thrive, and those that do not wither and die.

    Interestingly, Sabrina Pasterski, a 23-year-old Ph.D.
    candidate in physics at Harvard, is usually described
    as a Cuban-American, not Polish-American.

    Poles don’t get Diversity Points

  201. @Anonymous
    I think this article has also been partly motivated as a response to thomms comment containing 'list of indian inventions' and discoveries link..... that he posted a few days back. Why? It occured too soon after that comment.

    Lest somebody think i made this comment to brag about indians...let me say a similar list exists about chinese, japanese, koreans and a lot of other countries. Simply type 'list of ( the country whose inventions you want to know) inventions' in online search :)

    If you had to choose one continent’s discoveries on which to live…

    Is it even close?

  202. @Anon
    The world could use more black people like you.

    Some places, like Africa and America, need it desperately.

    Agree here.

    Acquaintances travel through Africa and remark on the inventive and creative people they meet. On this site, Chanda Chisala brags about smart Africans.

    We need a critical mass so the dysfunction doesn’t drag us down.

    Latest joke: “They came for the Blacks; but I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t Black. Then they came for the refugees; but I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a refugee. Then they stopped coming for people because there were no more problems.”

  203. @george
    Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn't be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    “Our mouths were hanging open after we looked at it,” Haggerty recalls. “Her potential is off the charts.”

    A bit much. I’d rather the superlatives come after the breakthrough discoveries.

  204. @george
    Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn't be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    Clicking through that link yields this interesting bit of information.


    Pasterski is exceptional in many ways, but she’s also part of a growing trend. In 1999, the number people earning physics bachelor’s degrees in the U.S. was at its lowest point in four decades, with only 3,178 awarded that year. However, in 2015 things looked much different, according to the American Institute of Physics. That year 8,081 bachelor’s degrees in physics were awarded — an all-time high. Physics doctorates also reached an all-time high of 1,860 in 2015. These numbers aren’t flukes or random spikes; the numbers for the previous two years were also high.

    This trend is due in part to higher enrollment and less attrition among female students. These women remain a minority in physics and astronomy, and many are still having to face challenges with impostor syndrome and mentoring. However, more female students in physics means more graduates overall and a more active scientific community in the U.S.

    I wonder what’s really going on?

    The last boom in physics majors was in the 1950s, occasioned by the preceding golden decades of physics and talk about the “atomic age.”

    There’s nothing similar happening now to cause more kids to pursue physics.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Purity is in.

    Sciencewise doesn't get more pure than physics.
    , @Anon 2
    About 50% of all Ph.D.'s in Physics these days are
    awarded to foreign-born students. There are similar
    figures in chemistry, biology, and engineering. That
    certainly wasn't the case in the 1950s-'70s. At the bachelor's
    degree level the percentage of foreign students has grown
    as well. What has happened is that the number of foreign
    students has increased tremendously in the last 15 years,
    esp. those from Asia who go heavily into STEM, incl. physics.
    Moreover, the Asian population in the U.S. is also growing
    exponentially, adding to the number of STEM students.
    The huge influx from Asia is one reason why scientific careers
    have deteriorated in the last 20-30 years, and not just because
    it keeps the salaries down. The U.S. is currently overproducing
    STEM majors by about a factor of 3, and there seems to be no
    solution in sight short of banning Asian immigrants.

    That's why in my posts I'm careful to always refer to job
    prospects for U.S.-born students, rather than students in
    general. Also, other than California, Florida, New York, etc
    physics enrollments have been stagnant, particularly in the
    Midwest
    , @Anon 2
    In 1970 or so the number of bachelor's degrees
    in physics reached a peak of about 5,500,
    not to be exceeded until recently. One might
    suspect that the enrollments in physics began
    to drop in the 1970s due to a couple of factors,
    1. Widespread aerospace layoffs in the early '70s
    precipitated by the end of the Apollo program;
    2. Counterculture's rejection of science -
    they saw scientists as whores in the service of
    the military-industrial complex.

    Physics enrollments dropped in the '90s possibly
    due to the end of the Cold War and the presumed
    peace dividend, e.g., dismantling of the aerospace
    industry in Southern California, and also due to
    the mass exodus of U.S.-born students from STEM
    and into business, banking, and finance.

  205. @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    Don’t feed the troll.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    Stating easily observable and well-known facts is not being a 'troll'.

    Thanks for reminding us that White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.
  206. @PiltdownMan
    Clicking through that link yields this interesting bit of information.


    Pasterski is exceptional in many ways, but she’s also part of a growing trend. In 1999, the number people earning physics bachelor’s degrees in the U.S. was at its lowest point in four decades, with only 3,178 awarded that year. However, in 2015 things looked much different, according to the American Institute of Physics. That year 8,081 bachelor’s degrees in physics were awarded — an all-time high. Physics doctorates also reached an all-time high of 1,860 in 2015. These numbers aren’t flukes or random spikes; the numbers for the previous two years were also high.

    This trend is due in part to higher enrollment and less attrition among female students. These women remain a minority in physics and astronomy, and many are still having to face challenges with impostor syndrome and mentoring. However, more female students in physics means more graduates overall and a more active scientific community in the U.S.
     

    I wonder what's really going on?

    The last boom in physics majors was in the 1950s, occasioned by the preceding golden decades of physics and talk about the "atomic age."

    There's nothing similar happening now to cause more kids to pursue physics.

    Purity is in.

    Sciencewise doesn’t get more pure than physics.

  207. @PiltdownMan
    Clicking through that link yields this interesting bit of information.


    Pasterski is exceptional in many ways, but she’s also part of a growing trend. In 1999, the number people earning physics bachelor’s degrees in the U.S. was at its lowest point in four decades, with only 3,178 awarded that year. However, in 2015 things looked much different, according to the American Institute of Physics. That year 8,081 bachelor’s degrees in physics were awarded — an all-time high. Physics doctorates also reached an all-time high of 1,860 in 2015. These numbers aren’t flukes or random spikes; the numbers for the previous two years were also high.

    This trend is due in part to higher enrollment and less attrition among female students. These women remain a minority in physics and astronomy, and many are still having to face challenges with impostor syndrome and mentoring. However, more female students in physics means more graduates overall and a more active scientific community in the U.S.
     

    I wonder what's really going on?

    The last boom in physics majors was in the 1950s, occasioned by the preceding golden decades of physics and talk about the "atomic age."

    There's nothing similar happening now to cause more kids to pursue physics.

    About 50% of all Ph.D.’s in Physics these days are
    awarded to foreign-born students. There are similar
    figures in chemistry, biology, and engineering. That
    certainly wasn’t the case in the 1950s-’70s. At the bachelor’s
    degree level the percentage of foreign students has grown
    as well. What has happened is that the number of foreign
    students has increased tremendously in the last 15 years,
    esp. those from Asia who go heavily into STEM, incl. physics.
    Moreover, the Asian population in the U.S. is also growing
    exponentially, adding to the number of STEM students.
    The huge influx from Asia is one reason why scientific careers
    have deteriorated in the last 20-30 years, and not just because
    it keeps the salaries down. The U.S. is currently overproducing
    STEM majors by about a factor of 3, and there seems to be no
    solution in sight short of banning Asian immigrants.

    That’s why in my posts I’m careful to always refer to job
    prospects for U.S.-born students, rather than students in
    general. Also, other than California, Florida, New York, etc
    physics enrollments have been stagnant, particularly in the
    Midwest

  208. @Desiderius
    Don't feed the troll.

    Stating easily observable and well-known facts is not being a ‘troll’.

    Thanks for reminding us that White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Trolling is partly content and partly attitude.

    Breaking it down to Goodwhites and Badwhites is trollish.
  209. @Jim
    Her commentaries on Diophantus were much praised. She had a great reputation for learning in both philosophy and mathematics. Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others. It should be noted though that the vast amount of Hellenistic mathematics has perished so the contributions of nearly all Hellenistic mathematicians left no extant records. It's simply impossible to assess her as a creative mathematician.

    Of course there have been some prominent female mathematicians.

    It could be that advanced math in the ancient world was particularly likely to be lost due to the difficulty of understanding its importance to re-copy it. About a century ago, it was noticed that a medieval monk had erased a page of Archimedes getting close to calculus in order to reuse the parchment.

    • Replies: @Jim
    Yes, the famous Archimedes Palimpsest was completely overridden in Medieval times. It's recovery is a great miracle. The greatest part of Hellenistic mathematics has been lost. We should be thankful to the Arabs for preserving much of what we have. Only the first four books of the Conics of Apollonius survived in Greek. We are reliant on Arabic texts for the rest. The great Medieval mathematical text of Pisano, the Liber abaci, was based in part on Arabic texts to which Pisano had access including an Arabic translation of a lost work of Archimedes.
  210. @Patrick Sullivan
    This year's Nobel Prize in Literature went to Kazuo Ishiguro, the English novelist of Japanese ancestry who writes with decidedly conservative traits as in Never Let Me Go, and The Remains of the Day. But of course that's not a science prize, and everyone knows Asian males are white anyway.

    They finally gave the Nobel to somebody I’ve read a few of his books!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The Remains of the Day is excruciatingly white. Or was, that variety is rapidly disappearing.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I wonder if the committee felt dumb after it appeared that Bob Dylan had plagiarized his acceptance speech from the Cliffs Notes. Offhand, this year's recipient seems like he might be the most deserving since Naipaul.
  211. @PiltdownMan
    Clicking through that link yields this interesting bit of information.


    Pasterski is exceptional in many ways, but she’s also part of a growing trend. In 1999, the number people earning physics bachelor’s degrees in the U.S. was at its lowest point in four decades, with only 3,178 awarded that year. However, in 2015 things looked much different, according to the American Institute of Physics. That year 8,081 bachelor’s degrees in physics were awarded — an all-time high. Physics doctorates also reached an all-time high of 1,860 in 2015. These numbers aren’t flukes or random spikes; the numbers for the previous two years were also high.

    This trend is due in part to higher enrollment and less attrition among female students. These women remain a minority in physics and astronomy, and many are still having to face challenges with impostor syndrome and mentoring. However, more female students in physics means more graduates overall and a more active scientific community in the U.S.
     

    I wonder what's really going on?

    The last boom in physics majors was in the 1950s, occasioned by the preceding golden decades of physics and talk about the "atomic age."

    There's nothing similar happening now to cause more kids to pursue physics.

    In 1970 or so the number of bachelor’s degrees
    in physics reached a peak of about 5,500,
    not to be exceeded until recently. One might
    suspect that the enrollments in physics began
    to drop in the 1970s due to a couple of factors,
    1. Widespread aerospace layoffs in the early ’70s
    precipitated by the end of the Apollo program;
    2. Counterculture’s rejection of science –
    they saw scientists as whores in the service of
    the military-industrial complex.

    Physics enrollments dropped in the ’90s possibly
    due to the end of the Cold War and the presumed
    peace dividend, e.g., dismantling of the aerospace
    industry in Southern California, and also due to
    the mass exodus of U.S.-born students from STEM
    and into business, banking, and finance.

  212. @Dahlia
    Good God, Whiskey! I have no idea what you're going on about, but it's always entertaining

    Whiskey is riffing on a former Native American porn actress, Hyapatia Lee, along with the idiotic Sarah Silverman line about women having to get high to do porn.

    As with everything else Whiskey, he’s dead wrong; Hyapatia Lee has gotten stoned pretty much every day of her adult life!

    https://longevity.media/interview-with-hyapatia-lee-founder-of-native-strength-part-ii

  213. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    It is because of a sudden spurt in pop growth far exceeding the growth of govt capability and money and the ability to provide resources to their pop. Most of the ‘third world’ were bled bone dry financially at the end of colonialism and due to the demands of the second world war. Not to mention the thousands if third-worlders who gave their lives to help protect europeans from the nazis. After they achieved independence, most of them had virtually empty treasuries. And then came in anti-biotics …..which led to sudden spurt in pop growth…. the rate of which was never before seen until then in human history. The west had time to increase its infrastructure spending and infrastructure availability- over the 17 th, 18 th ,19 th and even the 20 th century due to having a constant supply of money and a pop that grew very steadily ober these centuries but not suddenly. This gave them the time to build all the necessary infrastructure to accommodate their people. And when anti-biotics finally hit ….reducing human mortality by a significant margin, the west was prepared infrastructurally and financially to accommodate their needs. But the developing world was not, as it no longer had the wealth it previously had. And they were more people than what their govts could provide for. Hence you see constant power cuts and other things you mentioned. Their govts were simply not equipped to deal with the sudden pop growth.

    That said they are doing the best they can.

    The west achieved the living standards it has now…. over a period of atleast two centuries. I think its only fair to give the developing world (atleast) half that time before judging them.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Then how would you explain the great infrastructure of an island nation we dropped 2 atomic bombs on, firebombed their major cities and industrial centers and starved by blockade?

    What about a peninsula nation that was subjugated by the previously mentioned island nation for forty years and by its larger neighbor for centuries before it? After experiencing these ravishings, they then went through a civil war that killed 20 pct of the population. How are they able to have built infrastructure that allows clean drinking water.

    What about an island nation, composed entirely of blacks, that's been independent for 200+ years and is still unable to build a modern hospital system? What about a mainland country that was built into a democracy by freed slaves nearly 200 years ago? Or how about a nation of two hundred million blessed with huge amounts of resources, a beautiful mixed population and the rainforest? What about a nation that is below the most advanced country in the world that is blessed with a great deal of farmland and oil? In none of these nations can you drink tap water.

    It's also somewhat bizarre to make excuses for many of the former colonial nations. The colonialists left abundant infrastructure and gave these nations the blueprints for extracting value from their natural resources and people. The blueprints that those nations never had before. And still, today, India, Burma, Mexico, Liberia, Congo, Haiti, Brazil, etc etc etc cannot manage to provide basic services for their people. They cannot even maintain the institutions or transportation networks that the colonials left for them.

    How can it be any more apparent that these people are incapable of advanced civilization?

  214. Teh-F*ckwit Coates is carrying on the nobel tradition (sorry, couldn’t resist) of Carl Sagan’s propaganda. Hypatia was killed by a mob, because she supported a rival mob.

    Evangelical Atheists really need to keep tabs on History for Atheists (https://historyforatheists.com/2017/07/the-destruction-of-the-great-library-of-alexandria/).

    Unfortunately, because they are of the True Faith In SCIENCE!!, they don’t need to, and they keep talking sh*te for all the world to hear.

  215. @Thomm
    Stating easily observable and well-known facts is not being a 'troll'.

    Thanks for reminding us that White Trashionalists have Negro IQs.

    Trolling is partly content and partly attitude.

    Breaking it down to Goodwhites and Badwhites is trollish.

  216. Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.

    You’re unhinged. So much so that you broke “WNs” out as a separate racial group. Meanwhile, Zionism, Jewish White Supremacist State.

    Show us where the WN touched you, Thomm.

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Can we convince him to seek help?

    • Replies: @AM

    Show us where the WN touched you, Thomm.
     
    LOL here. It's been comedy gold tonight on iSteve.
  217. @MEH 0910
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/july-diary-jared-taylors-tennessee-triumph-conservatism-inc-s-collapse-poet-seeks-privacy-etc/#math-corner

    John Derbyshire • August 3, 2017

    Math Corner

    Yet another depressingly young death to record, this one from disease.

    On July 14th, the day after Liu’s passing, we lost Maryam Mirzakhani, the first woman to win a Fields Medal (the “math Nobel Prize”). Professor Mirzakhani died in a hospital in Stanford, California, after yielding to complications arising from breast cancer. She was only 40 years old.

    I’m not competent to judge Prof. Mirzakhani’s work, but friends who are so competent assure me that her Fields was not an affirmative-action stunt. The lady deserved it.
     

     

    She was obviously a first-rate mathematician and the subject of Teichmueller spaces in which much of her work was done is a very important area of mathematics. The Fields Medals are not handed down by God but simply some people’s opinion so there is no objective sense to the question of exactly who “deserves” them. All who have been awarded the prize are without exception very fine mathematicians but some of the most influential mathematicians of the last 60-70 years – Langlands, Cartan, Borel, Hirzebruch, Iwasawa, Harish-Chandra, Shafarevic, not to mention many others did not receive a Fields Medal.

    Alan Baker received a Fields Medal while Langlands did not. But I think few would say that Baker is a more important mathematician than Langlands. My comment is not in the slightest meant to be disrespectful of Alan Baker.

  218. @Realist
    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansifacation pandemic over much of Europe.

    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansification pandemic over much of Europe.

    Goes to show the better class of Europeans moved to the U.S., probably going back to Leif Erikson.

    Also don’t forget the early history of migration to the U.S. – definitely more enterprising characters than those who staid home, e.g. British criminals and cadet toffs, later political malcontents from Germany after 1848, Italy, czarist Russia, Ryukyus (now part of Japan), etc.

    • Replies: @Realist
    This country was made great by the the descendants of the original colonizers and white European immigrants. In the last 50 years many of those descendants are throwing it away.
  219. @Steve Sailer
    It could be that advanced math in the ancient world was particularly likely to be lost due to the difficulty of understanding its importance to re-copy it. About a century ago, it was noticed that a medieval monk had erased a page of Archimedes getting close to calculus in order to reuse the parchment.

    Yes, the famous Archimedes Palimpsest was completely overridden in Medieval times. It’s recovery is a great miracle. The greatest part of Hellenistic mathematics has been lost. We should be thankful to the Arabs for preserving much of what we have. Only the first four books of the Conics of Apollonius survived in Greek. We are reliant on Arabic texts for the rest. The great Medieval mathematical text of Pisano, the Liber abaci, was based in part on Arabic texts to which Pisano had access including an Arabic translation of a lost work of Archimedes.

  220. @Anonymous
    From iSteve reader Roger Schlafly:

    http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2017/10/nobel-prize-for-gravitational-waves.html

    These articles cannot resist making all about Einstein. But Einstein did not really believe in the geometry of space-time, or in black holes, or in the Big Bang, or in gravitational waves.

    You might say: "Who cares what Einstein believed? His equations imply those things, whether he believed in them or not."

    I would not say that they are his equations. Grossmann and Levi-Civita convinced him to use the Ricci tensor, and the equation is Ricci=0. Einstein's contribution was minor.

    Einstein is mainly famous because he is credited for special relativity, and the only reason he is credited for that is that supposedly Lorentz and Poincare had some faulty beliefs about the interpretation of the equations. Everyone agrees that Lorentz and Poincare had all the equations before Einstein. So if the credit is based on who had the equations, not who have the proper beliefs, then Einstein should get no credit for special relativity. (I say that Einstein was the one with the faulty beliefs about special relativity, but most ppl do not agree with me on that point.)
     

    I wouldn’t debunk Einstein’s contributions but it’s true that the basic ideas of special relativity were “in the air” although somewhat murky. I would say that Minkowski was the first who really understood what had happened. There was an indefinite quadratic form in the space-time variables that played a fundamental role in the description of reality similar to the role played in classical physics and geometry by the Euclidean positive definite quadratic form. Special relativity is essentially the invariant theory of Minkowski’s quadratic form.

    Minkowski’s paper on special relativity was published just shortly before his death and it’s the only paper he ever published on physics. However without question he was the greatest authority on quadratic forms in his life-time and in the history of quadratic forms he is right up there with Gauss, Fermat, Eisenstein etc.

    By the way Einstein’s study of Brownian motion was an important milestone in the development of the mathematical theory of stochastic processes. His work on the photoelectric effect was the earliest quantum theory after Planck.

  221. @HunInThe Sun
    Well, "Iran" does mean "Aryan"...paging Jason Reza Jorjani!

    I think only roughly half of Iranians are native speakers of Farsi. Kurdish though is also “Aryan”. There are many speakers of Turkic and Caucasian languages in Iran.

  222. @5371
    The media make Idiocracy look as though it depicts a meeting of the Apostles.

    I sometime wonder if people in the media make an effort to be stupid. It’s hard to believe it comes naturally.

  223. @Guy de Champlagne
    From what I remember she discovered that the solar system was heliocentric with elliptical orbits, a full 1000 years before Kepler. The fact that they couldn't come up with something semi plausible for her to discover was emblematic of the overall poor writing.

    But the best part was definitely the overall look of the film. I'll forgive a lot for a movie that's visually interesting because that's something you can't just get from reading a book yourself.

    Aristarchus advanced both the theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun and also that the motion of the fixed stars is just apparent and due to the rotation of the Earth about it’s axis. In the Sand Reckoner Archimedes gives a neutral description of Aristarchus’ theory. I think a big obstacle to the acceptance of these theories was just the reaction “if the Earth is moving what don’t we feel it?”. When I consider that I’m currently moving about 1,000 mph from West to East I feel like I should grab onto something.

    Today when most of us have had the experience of speeding smoothly along in a jet plane it is much easier to accept the motion of the Earth.

    The Hellenistic astronomers by the way did have a good idea of the size of the Solar System out to Saturn as well as the sizes of the Earth, Moon and Sun. They knew that the fixed stars were far more distant than the planets and correctly guessed that they were distant suns.

  224. @neprof
    Or have a Nobel Prize for making the best sandwich.

    Or a Fields Medal for proving the “Ham Sandwich Theorem”.

  225. @Yak-15
    Where is your data to back up the assertion that "white variance is high?"

    White IQ in the United States averages around 100 with a SD of 15. Please provide your study that shows an abnormal kurtosis and/or skew.

    Furthermore, averages whites basically make this country function. They run sewage treatment facilities, they repair the power grid as electricy linemen, they keep food on your table as farmers, they build/maintain the roads, they keep the trains running on time and they are the police/military. Most of the third world nations do not completely lack these essential services. Rather, they attempt to provide these amenities, but the output is mediocre and riddled with inconsistency and ineffeciency. This is because they lack large numbers of C+ to B+ people. In America, these people are your "loser whites."

    I know it's difficult to understand this concept because most of these people are unseen and unsung, but how do you think competent, mid-level work is done?

    Have you ever lived in a third world country? Have you ever had to brush your teeth and shave with bottled water? Have you ever slept in 100 degree weather in a luxury flat because the electricity went out? Have you ever gone to a grocery store and only found canned milk and week old flat bread? Have you ever seen a dead child who was electrocuted because there are live wires running down electricity telephone poles? That is reality in many third world countries.

    These third world countries all have their cognitive elites who are extremely wealthy and live richer than many of the richest Americans. But their societies are a shell and lack many basic amenities. Tell me why they don't have any of this "basic" infrastructure. Without all those "low-end" whites making our country liveable for the middle/low class, America becomes Brazil.

    Average IQ of US whites is about 100. The world’s average IQ is 90. There is a very big difference between two countries whose populations differ by more than 1o points in average IQ.

  226. @Anonymous
    It is because of a sudden spurt in pop growth far exceeding the growth of govt capability and money and the ability to provide resources to their pop. Most of the 'third world' were bled bone dry financially at the end of colonialism and due to the demands of the second world war. Not to mention the thousands if third-worlders who gave their lives to help protect europeans from the nazis. After they achieved independence, most of them had virtually empty treasuries. And then came in anti-biotics .....which led to sudden spurt in pop growth.... the rate of which was never before seen until then in human history. The west had time to increase its infrastructure spending and infrastructure availability- over the 17 th, 18 th ,19 th and even the 20 th century due to having a constant supply of money and a pop that grew very steadily ober these centuries but not suddenly. This gave them the time to build all the necessary infrastructure to accommodate their people. And when anti-biotics finally hit ....reducing human mortality by a significant margin, the west was prepared infrastructurally and financially to accommodate their needs. But the developing world was not, as it no longer had the wealth it previously had. And they were more people than what their govts could provide for. Hence you see constant power cuts and other things you mentioned. Their govts were simply not equipped to deal with the sudden pop growth.

    That said they are doing the best they can.

    The west achieved the living standards it has now.... over a period of atleast two centuries. I think its only fair to give the developing world (atleast) half that time before judging them.

    Then how would you explain the great infrastructure of an island nation we dropped 2 atomic bombs on, firebombed their major cities and industrial centers and starved by blockade?

    What about a peninsula nation that was subjugated by the previously mentioned island nation for forty years and by its larger neighbor for centuries before it? After experiencing these ravishings, they then went through a civil war that killed 20 pct of the population. How are they able to have built infrastructure that allows clean drinking water.

    What about an island nation, composed entirely of blacks, that’s been independent for 200+ years and is still unable to build a modern hospital system? What about a mainland country that was built into a democracy by freed slaves nearly 200 years ago? Or how about a nation of two hundred million blessed with huge amounts of resources, a beautiful mixed population and the rainforest? What about a nation that is below the most advanced country in the world that is blessed with a great deal of farmland and oil? In none of these nations can you drink tap water.

    It’s also somewhat bizarre to make excuses for many of the former colonial nations. The colonialists left abundant infrastructure and gave these nations the blueprints for extracting value from their natural resources and people. The blueprints that those nations never had before. And still, today, India, Burma, Mexico, Liberia, Congo, Haiti, Brazil, etc etc etc cannot manage to provide basic services for their people. They cannot even maintain the institutions or transportation networks that the colonials left for them.

    How can it be any more apparent that these people are incapable of advanced civilization?

  227. @Jim
    Her commentaries on Diophantus were much praised. She had a great reputation for learning in both philosophy and mathematics. Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others. It should be noted though that the vast amount of Hellenistic mathematics has perished so the contributions of nearly all Hellenistic mathematicians left no extant records. It's simply impossible to assess her as a creative mathematician.

    Of course there have been some prominent female mathematicians.

    Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others.

    But that’s the question. Did she make any original contributions to mathematics? We have no evidence that she did.

    • Replies: @Jim
    No we don't know of anything specific but given her reputation it's quite possible that she may have made original contributions. Incidentally even when we have extant texts it is often hard to tell what is original or what is derived from others. Hero's work is probably mostly a compendium of results due to others. With Menelaus' work on spherical geometry it seems likely that some of it was original although no doubt a lot of it was known earlier.
  228. @Eagle Eye

    I agree, but my grandfather was born in 1870 Norway and legally immigrated to the US in 1880.
    This was long before the pansification pandemic over much of Europe.
     
    Goes to show the better class of Europeans moved to the U.S., probably going back to Leif Erikson.

    Also don't forget the early history of migration to the U.S. - definitely more enterprising characters than those who staid home, e.g. British criminals and cadet toffs, later political malcontents from Germany after 1848, Italy, czarist Russia, Ryukyus (now part of Japan), etc.

    This country was made great by the the descendants of the original colonizers and white European immigrants. In the last 50 years many of those descendants are throwing it away.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    This country was made great by the the descendants of the original colonizers and white European immigrants. In the last 50 years many of those descendants are throwing it away.
     
    Confucius observed that both great achievement and great disgrace disappear after 5 generations.
  229. @syonredux

    Any original contributions she made to mathematics have not survived unless they have been transmitted by others.
     
    But that's the question. Did she make any original contributions to mathematics? We have no evidence that she did.

    No we don’t know of anything specific but given her reputation it’s quite possible that she may have made original contributions. Incidentally even when we have extant texts it is often hard to tell what is original or what is derived from others. Hero’s work is probably mostly a compendium of results due to others. With Menelaus’ work on spherical geometry it seems likely that some of it was original although no doubt a lot of it was known earlier.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    No we don’t know of anything specific but given her reputation it’s quite possible that she may have made original contributions.
     
    Which is what I'be been saying. Maybe she did, but we don't know.
  230. @Svigor

    Honest working-class whites are not who I am talking about. They are often not even racist. WNs are a different group, and represent the male gender of this wastebasket group. Fat white feminists represent the female gender of this group.
     
    You're unhinged. So much so that you broke "WNs" out as a separate racial group. Meanwhile, Zionism, Jewish White Supremacist State.

    Show us where the WN touched you, Thomm.

    Don’t feed the troll.
     
    Can we convince him to seek help?

    Show us where the WN touched you, Thomm.

    LOL here. It’s been comedy gold tonight on iSteve.

  231. @george
    Harvard trumps Nobel Foundation by finding the reincarnation of Albert Einstein.

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23, and a hot babe child of Cuban immigrants who wouldn't be here if it was up to evil immigration boarder closers.

    http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/23-year-old-einstein/

    George wrote:

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23

    The academic world and the mass media are guilty of child abuse in terms of how they are treating this girl.

    I’ve glanced over some of the papers listed on her webapge. The ones I read written when she was an undergrad show her to have been a bright, but not stunningly brilliant, student. Her papers written more recently show a very good grad student able to carry out the instructions of her advisor and collaborate with him successfully.

    However, if you look at her webpage, you will find that in 2013 and 2014, she provides links mainly to her work in physics. But, starting in 2015 the focus turns increasingly to her being mentioned in the news media, her being invited to various high-toned events, and her becoming the darling of certain segments of the academic community. For 2017, less than twenty percent link directly to her actual work.

    I do not blame Sabrina Pasterski: it would be hard for any young woman (or young man) to resist all this hype.

    But, she is not being well-served by adults who are turning her into a cult figure rather than a physicist.

    The “next Einstein”? She certainly has the potential to become a competent theoretical physicist, and any competent physicist might be the “next Einstein.” (The truth is that Einstein himself did not seem that promising until his annus mirabilis, 1905: it is really foolish to try to predict this sort of thing!) But, while not impossible, it is exceedingly unlikely that she, or any other specific individual, will be the next Einstein.

    Perhaps the most bizarre statement comes from the Sun in the UK: she “is already one of the most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US”!

    Uh, no. I do not recall ever hearing her name until it was mentioned in this blog. I’m a physicist interested in the same areas she is working in: I do know who the “most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US” are in those areas.

    The physicist she is working with, Andy Strominger, is a very well-known physicist. and the projects they are working on overlap some of my own interests. I am not disparaging Pasterski’s ability or her commitment. I am only disparaging the absurd hype which is in danger of drowning this young woman.

    She could have succeeded without the hype. But, for her to ignore the hype and focus on doing science is going to require a stronger character than most people have. I sincerely hope she can manage to deal with all this.

    (Obviously, I am not contesting the points anyone here has made about this case, but I thought some people might be interested in more details from a physicist who has actually looked at some of her work.)

    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    (Obviously, I am not contesting the points anyone here has made about this case, but I thought some people might be interested in more details from a physicist who has actually looked at some of her work.)
     
    Yes, I did find it interesting. Thank you.
  232. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @Yak,

    Was the entire island nation bombed? It and they still had wealth and a relatively tinier homogenous pop and also got more kinds of advanced tech tranfers from the west to aid in its development. Same with the other country it ruled. I am not saying they are not capable, ofcourse they are…. infact they are one of the smartest people on the planet. But it also helps if a country is small with a small homogenous (religiously, culturally,racially) pop to get back on its feet faster. Also most of the tiny caribbean island nations were doing pretty good until drugs showed up last decade. I have been to a few of them and they had first world living standards in every way.

    Regarding other countries you mentioned i cant speak for african countries as lot of them were and embroiled in civil wars. And I dont know much them.

    But regarding non-african countries let me say this…you say colonialists left infrastructure…. what infrastructure did they leave? A couple of railways lines connecting only the biggest cities which only had less ten percent of those countries pop, will hardly make a difference. Most of the later railway lines and infrastructure was built by those countries themselves and is being nicely maintained. As for providing basic services… initially they couldnt but they are making progress. As for the ‘blue-print’ to extract natural resources you are right that was good but it was good for ‘extraction’ as the name suggests and not richen those countries. And some of the native leaders promptly used them (just like your politicians do in your country too). Despite this there were leaders who tried to do good for the country and doing. And most of these countries are going forward.

  233. @Steve Sailer
    They finally gave the Nobel to somebody I've read a few of his books!

    The Remains of the Day is excruciatingly white. Or was, that variety is rapidly disappearing.

  234. @Steve Sailer
    They finally gave the Nobel to somebody I've read a few of his books!

    I wonder if the committee felt dumb after it appeared that Bob Dylan had plagiarized his acceptance speech from the Cliffs Notes. Offhand, this year’s recipient seems like he might be the most deserving since Naipaul.

  235. Wait why did my reply to Yak’s comment disappear? I thought you people were secure enough to allow a difference of opinion to be posted in the comment section?

  236. @Anon 2
    The Fields Medal in mathematics is awarded every FOUR
    years to two, three, or four individuals under forty

    Sorry, obvious typo, otherwise my sentence makes no sense. It would make a good SAT reading comprehension question: Find the illogical part.

  237. @Realist
    This country was made great by the the descendants of the original colonizers and white European immigrants. In the last 50 years many of those descendants are throwing it away.

    This country was made great by the the descendants of the original colonizers and white European immigrants. In the last 50 years many of those descendants are throwing it away.

    Confucius observed that both great achievement and great disgrace disappear after 5 generations.

  238. @PhysicistDave
    George wrote:

    Harvard Thinks It’s Found the Next Einstein — and She’s 23
     
    The academic world and the mass media are guilty of child abuse in terms of how they are treating this girl.

    I've glanced over some of the papers listed on her webapge. The ones I read written when she was an undergrad show her to have been a bright, but not stunningly brilliant, student. Her papers written more recently show a very good grad student able to carry out the instructions of her advisor and collaborate with him successfully.

    However, if you look at her webpage, you will find that in 2013 and 2014, she provides links mainly to her work in physics. But, starting in 2015 the focus turns increasingly to her being mentioned in the news media, her being invited to various high-toned events, and her becoming the darling of certain segments of the academic community. For 2017, less than twenty percent link directly to her actual work.

    I do not blame Sabrina Pasterski: it would be hard for any young woman (or young man) to resist all this hype.

    But, she is not being well-served by adults who are turning her into a cult figure rather than a physicist.

    The "next Einstein"? She certainly has the potential to become a competent theoretical physicist, and any competent physicist might be the "next Einstein." (The truth is that Einstein himself did not seem that promising until his annus mirabilis, 1905: it is really foolish to try to predict this sort of thing!) But, while not impossible, it is exceedingly unlikely that she, or any other specific individual, will be the next Einstein.

    Perhaps the most bizarre statement comes from the Sun in the UK: she "is already one of the most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US"!

    Uh, no. I do not recall ever hearing her name until it was mentioned in this blog. I'm a physicist interested in the same areas she is working in: I do know who the "most well-known and accomplished physicists in the US" are in those areas.

    The physicist she is working with, Andy Strominger, is a very well-known physicist. and the projects they are working on overlap some of my own interests. I am not disparaging Pasterski's ability or her commitment. I am only disparaging the absurd hype which is in danger of drowning this young woman.

    She could have succeeded without the hype. But, for her to ignore the hype and focus on doing science is going to require a stronger character than most people have. I sincerely hope she can manage to deal with all this.

    (Obviously, I am not contesting the points anyone here has made about this case, but I thought some people might be interested in more details from a physicist who has actually looked at some of her work.)

    (Obviously, I am not contesting the points anyone here has made about this case, but I thought some people might be interested in more details from a physicist who has actually looked at some of her work.)

    Yes, I did find it interesting. Thank you.

  239. @Jim
    No we don't know of anything specific but given her reputation it's quite possible that she may have made original contributions. Incidentally even when we have extant texts it is often hard to tell what is original or what is derived from others. Hero's work is probably mostly a compendium of results due to others. With Menelaus' work on spherical geometry it seems likely that some of it was original although no doubt a lot of it was known earlier.

    No we don’t know of anything specific but given her reputation it’s quite possible that she may have made original contributions.

    Which is what I’be been saying. Maybe she did, but we don’t know.

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