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From a poll published in Le Figaro in September 2014 of the 2017 French Presidential election:

The primary round sees Marine Le Pen of the National Front coming in first with about 30% of the vote, followed by the UMP center-right party’s nominee (whether Sarkozy, Fillon, or Juppe), followed by incumbent President Francois Hollande.

Screenshot 2015-01-15 03.56.00

In the runoff, the center-right nominee is likely to win over either Le Pen or Hollande, unless the choices are center-left v. right, and then Le Pen beats the incumbent Hollande 54-46:

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A lot can happen over a couple of years. But in the meantime it sure looks silly for the media to call the candidate who is outpolling the incumbent the “extreme right” or “far right” candidate instead of just the “right” candidate.

Novelist Michel Houellebecq’s scenario for 2022, in which the French Establishment closes ranks to deny the presidency to Le Pen even if it means electing the Islamist candidate who stumbled into second in the primary, doesn’t look all that far-fetched.

 
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  1. Dieudonné and Alain Soral are two jokers in the deck who could weaken the Socialist voter base enough to make a difference in 2017.

    Dieudonné was arrested again:

    At the center of the debate is controversial comedian Dieudonne M’bala M’bala, known by his stage name Dieudonne, who was arrested after posting “I feel like Charlie Coulibaly” on Facebook, putting together the name of the attacked satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo and the terrorist who is accused of killing four people at a Jewish supermarket in Paris.

    “Racism, anti-Semitism, historical revisionism, and condoning terrorism are not opinions, they are crimes,” French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said, condemning Dieudonne’s remark and vowing a crackdown on “speech that kills.”

    http://rt.com/news/222835-france-crackdown-hate-speech/

    This is the same Manuel Valls who declared the two of them “enemies of the republic” last year at a Socialist Party rally.

  2. The FN have two MPs, they would need 200 for power. The claims that the FN are going to get 30% of the votes are simply a ploy (‘frontlash’) a pre-emptive strike on the indigenous ‘wolves in human form’ who are theoretically a majority. In reality the ethnic majority is prevented from coalescing into a political public force to keep the ethnic balance by constant pre-emptive frontlashing. The claims the FN are going to get somewhere are actually the made to form an ant-indigenous coalition. The anti FN is going coalition to be more so much more powerful than the FN that there will be no contest. Ahmed Merabet, the policeman who died outside the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine is the hash taggers hero. The Muslim cop that was killed Abdul is the hero of the hour, just as a Muslim prosecutor was the hero of the media in the Rotherham scandal. The overwhelming majority of indigenous Europeans is just not comfortable espousing the cause of the ethnic majority. It has to be #JeSuisAhmed or #jesuisjewish .

    An Islamic party would not be let into a anti FN coalition, but an ostensible secular leftist- (Muslim) immigrant party like Britain’s Respect Party could a while down the road. Respect did well, being led by Scots leftie firebrand George Galloway. A French immigrant based party would probably be similar: led by a charismatic white French left-winger.

  3. It’s far-fetched to think the FN could get that far now the front lash is saying that it is inevitable that the FN is going to gat support. The FN success is associated with Nazi style political murders. It is effect being blamed for them, because the perception that it is to benefit. It is always the same, Enoch Powell is blamed for politicians suppressing popular opposition to immigration. Nick Griffin was blamed for Rochdale.

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yes. H’becq was nothing if not prescient. Just look at what happened in Sweden.

    In the UK expect Tory/Labour – the most incredible union of opposites – joint candidates to keep UKIP out.
    In the recent Rochester by-election, David Cameron actually urged Labour voters to vote Tory to keep UKIP out.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    But this is the opposite of what H'becq (great abbreviation by the way) describes. What is wrong with a party leader urging supporters of the other party to support his party instead?That's electioneering 101. What notably didn't happen though was the creation of a unity candidate or united front candidate to oppose UKIP. The major parties all ran their own candidates and the party leadership at no point urged their members to support the other party in order to stymie UKIP.
  5. Andrew Napolitano says the French government’s repressive stance towards heterodox speech has Wilsonian roots:

    http://www.unz.com/anapolitano/what-freedom-of-speech/

  6. Le Pen’s party are actually a leftist party who happen to be a nationalist one. The dishonest media persists in calling it “far right”.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    The FN was, I believe, more of a nationalist free-market oriented party 20 years or so ago. The traditional electoral bastion of the FN was among middle class professionals from the south-east of France. Those people were receptive to the relatively free market and nationalist message of J.M LePen. As the FN acquired more voters from the working classes, it has had to adapt its message.
    In any case, being rightwing in France and in a lot of European countries is not synonymous with being a liberal (= free marketer).
  7. Are women silly creatures?

  8. it sure looks silly for the media

    They do not look silly to themselves with all this manipulative framing, because, like Pauline Kael, they know not a single person (or not a single person whose opinion they care about) who thinks any differently. You’ve quoted Richard Blow / Bradley here; he shows no signs of being able to think outside of the box he’s ensconced himself in; he just perceives prodding as hostility. It’s more defensible in the Le Pens’ case, because they constructed a political organization that bore little resemblance to any other with much of a following after 1962 (or, indeed, since the 1940s bar in certain areas).

  9. Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

    One of Europe’s most prominent Jewish organizations is petitioning the European Union to pass new legislation that would permit Jewish community members to carry guns “for the essential protection of their communities,”

    […]

    The European Jewish Association (EJA), which represents Jewish communities across Europe, says that gun license laws must be altered following a string of deadly attacks on Jews in France and other European countries, where anti-Semitism has been growing at an alarming rate.

    […]

    the urgent need to stop talking and start acting” in a way that empowers Europe’s Jews

    […]

    The EU should empower and train Jews to be proficient with guns in order to maintain their safety

    […]

    “We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons for the essential protection of their communities, as well as receiving the necessary training to protect their members from potential terror attacks.”

    […]

    Jewish community representatives should be armed and on guard at Kosher markets and synagogues, he said.

    “We realize that we also have to do something to take responsibility in case it takes too long” for authorities to put the proper defenses into place, Margolin explained.

    This would include stationing armed Jewish community members at popular hubs.

    […]

    Any changes to the gun laws can be made in a safe and effective way, Margolin argues.

    “Let there be no doubt, we are asking that all weapons will be issued for self-protection only, and to designated personnel that will undergo thorough investigation and training by local authorities,” he wrote.

    Margolin said that he is currently in negotiations with EU leaders to relax certain gun restrictions

    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA? Check the ranks of the gun-grabbing movement in the USA, they’re thick with Jews. Imagine the reaction from Jews if a leading Christian figure proposed banning the 2nd Amendment for non-whites (Jews included).

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA?
     
    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn't terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.
    , @rod1963
    Jews are just very tribal(and nepotistic) like Gypsies but smarter, it doesn't matter if they are Orthodox or a Hollywood atheist, they are linked and look out for each other. The Chinese do it, same with Brahmins or even El Salvadoreans.

    It's nothing special, it's way we're wired.

    Whites used to do it until we transferred our ethnic loyalty to the state which we perpetually confuse with the white community, which it is not. Blame state sponsored education/indoctrination for that

    Whites could do well by emulating Jewish tribalness and nepotism. It's about the only real defense a people have when the state is not there to protect their interests in any manner such as it is now.

    And yes, the Jews would scream bloody murder if white Christians did what you proposed. Oddly enough these same people are quite content to strip whites of any form of personal defense and leave them prostrate before the state.
  10. Interesting how the media refers to Le Pen (and probably Geert Wilders as well) as “far right.” IIRC, Le Pen is in favor of the French welfare state; the only thing “right wing” about her is that she seems to think French welfare goodies should be for, well, the French.

    • Replies: @bossel

    as “far right.” IIRC, Le Pen is in favor of the French welfare state
     
    Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?
    So, you would consider the NSDAP also left wing, because they led a welfare state?

    The nazis were socialists, for sure, but right or left wing is more than that. (Well, actually, since it originally referred to the physical position of groups in parliament, maybe less.)
  11. Look the labeling is ridicolous and you are absolutely right you cant call the front runner a fringe candidate, but the fact that you have a run off election means that at this time Le Pen is not the favorite to win the election out right just the favorite to win the first round. With that data set Sarkozy is a by my guess 90% favorite to be president.

  12. Were the CH crew just happy irreverent scamps, or militant combatants who have a side?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11346641/Charlie-Hebdo-founder-says-slain-editor-dragged-team-to-their-deaths.html

    “This is not the first time Delfeil has disagreed with the modern Charlie, accusing Charb’s predecessor of turning it into a Zionist and Islamophobic organ.

    That was after Philippe Val, the previous editor, fired one of its historic figures, Maurice Sine, for publishing a cartoon on the marriage of Nicolas Sarkozy’s son, Jean, to a Jewish retailing heiress, which he considered anti-Semitic.

    Delfeil said he would not say anymore on recent events. “I have refused to speak to the TV and radio, to everyone. I kept my message for Obs, and I am not prepared to open this subject again,” he said.”

    How I created cover for Charlie Hebdo’s survivors’ edition cover: cartoonist Luz’s statement in full

  13. Not off-topic, I think, is this majestic headline from The Daily Mail: Sister of Paris deli killer Coulibaly is a ‘Booty Therapy’ dancer who aims to end racism through the medium of upside-down twerking

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911271/Sister-Paris-deli-killer-Coulibaly-Booty-Therapy-dancer-aims-end-racism-medium-upside-twerking.html#ixzz3OuQhn086

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Wow, all crazy things converging in one spot. Booty therapy, upside down twerking, anti-racism, sibling terrorism.

    Radical Cheek, I guess.

    In case you thought we weren't doomed.

  14. Have the French voters ever been presented with a stark choice? Since DeGaulle the choice has always been between some flavor of Gaullism and some flavor of Socialism.

  15. U-Va. Phi Psi members speak about impact of discredited gang rape allegations

    “That leads back to the bigger problem in that our society tends to rush to judge without the facts,” Scipione said. “They just see the headline and get upset, and they want to blame it on someone, and obviously we were the easiest targets for that.”

    Wrong. The media rushes to judgement when it furthers their agenda. The media postpones judgement indefinitely when it furthers their agenda.

    Scipione and Fontenot said that the Phi Psi brothers experienced a difficult fall semester but said no one should consider the fraternity members as “victims.”

    “We don’t want to take away from the real victims, which are the victims of sexual assault,” Fontenot said. “We think it is incredibly unfair that the Rolling Stone article could in any way take away their credibility and the support they need.”

    Sissies. They should be talking about the real perps and their enablers, not the imaginary victims. They should be pointing the finger at Jackie, Erdely, Rolling Stone, the leftist corporate media, and UVa authorities, not kissing feminist ass.

    The Greek system that Phi Psi rejoins is one that has spent the past two months focusing on the issue of sexual assault as a result of the campus turmoil the article created. The university administration suspended all fraternity functions through the first full week of January, affecting about one-third of the school’s 15,000 undergraduates.

    All of which was, at best, a waste of time. They should spend the next six months focusing on the issue of hoaxes, false accusations, and false accusations of sexual assault in particular. They should spend the next six months dealing with the issue of leftist corporate media witch hunts, show trials, and progroms, and the environment of total impunity that the leftist corporate media creates for itself; how the lives of 5,000 college students were negatively impacted because the leftist corporate media chose to believe the absurd stories of one deranged girl because they furthered their leftist agenda.

    Sullivan said last week that she would immediately lift the ban if fraternities signed a new contract with the school that is designed to discourage binge drinking and enhance safety measures at large parties.

    The frats should be calling for Sullivan to resign or be fired. They should make her kiss their asses in public, and give them concessions, if she wants to keep her job.

    “Sexual assault on college campuses is a real problem, and it needs to be addressed. And just because one story from Rolling Stone dropped the ball doesn’t mean we can dismiss it,” Fontenot said.

    The McCarthyist, Inquisition-like, progrom-like, Soviet show trial-like, Dreyfus Affair-like, witch-hunting atmosphere of false accusations and hoaxes created by the leftists in general, and the leftist corporate media and feminists in particular, is the real problem that needs to be addressed – a problem that the leftist corporate media is obviously currently aiding and abetting.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Frat guys at UVA don't care about that stuff. They know the score, but they aren't bitter nobodies like you and me. They just want to graduate and get good jobs.
  16. Angela Merkel came out very strong against the anti-Muslim campaign. Will Germany have any impact on French voters? Today the Pope came out against insulting anyone’s religion and against provocation. I hope he says more, especially about these arrogant demands that “moderate” Muslims are supposed to do something or they are the problem. Someone needs to say something; its in our media all the time, almost always recited by someone who is Jewish, like no one is to notice the self interest in demanding that all Muslims condemn adversaries of the Jewish state.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    This is a fundementally retarded comment. I don't like to use that strong of language, but the idea that it is primarily Jews calling for more outspoken denunciations of Islamic terrorism from "moderate" Muslims is completely at odds with the facts. The NYT has spent the past two weeks refusing to run the offending cartoons and worrying about whether or not the frontlash against Muslims will occur. At no point have they urge "moderate" Muslims to speak up. It is quite clear that you are in complete sympathy with those who use force to police the boundaries of acceptable speech. You are no different than any of the other mavens of political correctness. There is nothing arrogant about insisting that people who fled their home countries express gratitude and sympathy for the culture than took them in. You are the arrogant one for demanding special protections for your religious group. Espeically because Muslims have already been insulated in a shocking degree from the criticisms that routinely ring out against Christians. Thankfully, do to the extremely low self control and poor strategic planning of the extremist Muslims, the moderate Muslims strategy of using the extremists to carve out special dispensations for them is likely over. I believe you will find the new dispensation even less satisfactory and thank God for it.
    , @dearieme
    "Today the Pope came out against insulting anyone’s religion and against provocation." And yet, had the pope his historical powers, he'd be burning heretics. Mind you, had the pope his historical powers, I doubt if that chap would be pope.
  17. http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-camp-of-the-saints-2/

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-camp-of-the-saints-3/

    Two positive and very un PC posts about Camp of the Saints on the lew Rockwell blog. Great to see some flashes of the older paleo libertarian style content that previously dominated the site over a decade ago.

  18. But the american media is always silent that whenever Mexico fields some candidate who appears to be unfriendly to US interests the election gets stolen to those who are friendly with US.

    At least 2 candidates had their elections stolen from them in the last 30 years.

    It is just the coqs coming to roost in Paris.

  19. It looks as if the Left needs Hollande to run a weak campaign in order to ensure NF vs UMP > UMP. There is definitely a possibility of Le Pen vs Hollande in the run-off, leading to Le Pen victory.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    No there isn't. Hollande has no chance of making the run-off. Maybe if FN was more like UKIP and drew more voters from the conservative party than it did the Socialists Hollande would have a chance, but with the make up of FN supporters being all over the board Hollande has no chance.
  20. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    Interesting how the media refers to Le Pen (and probably Geert Wilders as well) as "far right." IIRC, Le Pen is in favor of the French welfare state; the only thing "right wing" about her is that she seems to think French welfare goodies should be for, well, the French.

    as “far right.” IIRC, Le Pen is in favor of the French welfare state

    Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?
    So, you would consider the NSDAP also left wing, because they led a welfare state?

    The nazis were socialists, for sure, but right or left wing is more than that. (Well, actually, since it originally referred to the physical position of groups in parliament, maybe less.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?
     
    No, it's that the welfare state cannot be pro-right wing. Or pro-native.

    What people can't seem to get through their skulls is that the welfare state doesn't exist to serve you. You exist to serve it.
  21. @Anonymous
    Yes. H'becq was nothing if not prescient. Just look at what happened in Sweden.

    In the UK expect Tory/Labour - the most incredible union of opposites - joint candidates to keep UKIP out.
    In the recent Rochester by-election, David Cameron actually urged Labour voters to vote Tory to keep UKIP out.

    But this is the opposite of what H’becq (great abbreviation by the way) describes. What is wrong with a party leader urging supporters of the other party to support his party instead?That’s electioneering 101. What notably didn’t happen though was the creation of a unity candidate or united front candidate to oppose UKIP. The major parties all ran their own candidates and the party leadership at no point urged their members to support the other party in order to stymie UKIP.

  22. @Simon in London
    It looks as if the Left needs Hollande to run a weak campaign in order to ensure NF vs UMP > UMP. There is definitely a possibility of Le Pen vs Hollande in the run-off, leading to Le Pen victory.

    No there isn’t. Hollande has no chance of making the run-off. Maybe if FN was more like UKIP and drew more voters from the conservative party than it did the Socialists Hollande would have a chance, but with the make up of FN supporters being all over the board Hollande has no chance.

  23. The only hope for France is a catastrophic loss of power by the imperial center in Washington. Enough so the French Army thinks it can pull off a coup without being destroyed.

    Pretty much agrees-without the coup part:

    http://thelibertarianalliance.com/2014/11/01/sean-gabb-on-the-european-right/

  24. @Hersh
    Angela Merkel came out very strong against the anti-Muslim campaign. Will Germany have any impact on French voters? Today the Pope came out against insulting anyone's religion and against provocation. I hope he says more, especially about these arrogant demands that "moderate" Muslims are supposed to do something or they are the problem. Someone needs to say something; its in our media all the time, almost always recited by someone who is Jewish, like no one is to notice the self interest in demanding that all Muslims condemn adversaries of the Jewish state.

    This is a fundementally retarded comment. I don’t like to use that strong of language, but the idea that it is primarily Jews calling for more outspoken denunciations of Islamic terrorism from “moderate” Muslims is completely at odds with the facts. The NYT has spent the past two weeks refusing to run the offending cartoons and worrying about whether or not the frontlash against Muslims will occur. At no point have they urge “moderate” Muslims to speak up. It is quite clear that you are in complete sympathy with those who use force to police the boundaries of acceptable speech. You are no different than any of the other mavens of political correctness. There is nothing arrogant about insisting that people who fled their home countries express gratitude and sympathy for the culture than took them in. You are the arrogant one for demanding special protections for your religious group. Espeically because Muslims have already been insulated in a shocking degree from the criticisms that routinely ring out against Christians. Thankfully, do to the extremely low self control and poor strategic planning of the extremist Muslims, the moderate Muslims strategy of using the extremists to carve out special dispensations for them is likely over. I believe you will find the new dispensation even less satisfactory and thank God for it.

    • Replies: @Hersh
    There certainly are a lot of Jews on TV demanding that "moderate Muslims" condemn this that or the other. I saw Rabbi Boteach and Bernard Henri Levy doing that yesterday. Very clever, too, that Muslims have to condemn Hamas and other adversaries of Israel. Its a dishonest tactic to humiliate Muslims. It'll be good if the Pope speaks out against it.

    People like yourself hide behind a sophistry that US wars are secular. It fools no one. US presidents are always pushing their Christian religion and prayer breakfasts in our faces. They have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in recent years, mainly from absolute lies about weapons of mass destruction. I watched Colin Powell's speech at the UN and he did not believe a word he was saying.

    Americans, too, are humiliated and cowed from speaking out against atrocities like bombing little boys collecting firewood or pulling bullets out of the poor bodies of pregnant women to blame someone else for their deaths. Say something about that and you are attacking "the troops."
  25. A tiny bit OT but not OT for the week.

    Here is a link to comedy movie called “Convenience Store”. The two “protaganists” are Arab looking second generation males in the UK. They have working class English Accents.

    The movie synopsis says:

    “Two friends try to rob a petrol station, but are so useless that they end up working there all night. Two men, three hostages, no crisps.”

    Apparently the store safe doesn’t open until 6am so the pair have to wait.

    Anyway. IMDB gives it a 7.5 which is a pretty high rating. I watch a lot of high 6s which turn out to be good movies. So a mid 7 is usually pretty good.

    http://www.solarmovie.ws/watch-convenience-2013-online.html

  26. @Hersh
    Angela Merkel came out very strong against the anti-Muslim campaign. Will Germany have any impact on French voters? Today the Pope came out against insulting anyone's religion and against provocation. I hope he says more, especially about these arrogant demands that "moderate" Muslims are supposed to do something or they are the problem. Someone needs to say something; its in our media all the time, almost always recited by someone who is Jewish, like no one is to notice the self interest in demanding that all Muslims condemn adversaries of the Jewish state.

    “Today the Pope came out against insulting anyone’s religion and against provocation.” And yet, had the pope his historical powers, he’d be burning heretics. Mind you, had the pope his historical powers, I doubt if that chap would be pope.

  27. Since Coulibaly had nine sisters, I suppose it is less surprising that one of them twerks.

  28. OT: The revelation that George Soros funded the Ferguson protests to the tune of $33 million probably deserves a blog post. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/

  29. TNC is in Paris.Naturally, he’s here to offer whatever insights he has gleaned from his latest book-on-tape.Right now it’s Alistair Horne’s A Savage War Of Peace: Algeria 1954-1962:

    The Jewish peoples of Algeria also predated the pied noir, tracing their roots back to the Spanish expulsions of the 16th century and even further. Horne says that Algerian Jews “tended to find themselves being caught between two fires: between the European and the Muslim world.” The French effectively turned Algerian Jews into a kind of buffer class, granting them citizenship under the Crémieux Decree in 1870 and denying it to Berbers and Arabs. This award was tenuous—70 years later it was rescinded by Pétain. “Jewish teachers and children alike were summarily flung out of European schools,” writes Horne. “The whole community was menaced with deportation to Nazi camps.”

    Got to love that “This award was tenuous—70 years later it was rescinded by Pétain” business, how gracefully it elides the fact that a little thing like the Nazi conquest of France had occurred, that Petain’s Vichy regime was a Nazi puppet state, etc.Heck, note how he even avoids dates at a critical point.We go from Crémieux Decree in 1870 to” 70 years later.” One assumes that the reader is supposed to add 70 to 1870 and get 1940 (Surely a meaningless date in French history…..).

    Naturally, he’s also quite keen on finding common cause with the North African Muslims, so we get a big chunk from Horne about French attitudes towards the Arabs:

    Equally a host of preconceived inherited notions about the Algerian were accepted uncritically, without examining either their veracity or causation: he was incorrigibly idle and incompetent; he only understood force; he was an innate criminal, and an instinctive rapist. Sexually based prejudices and fears ran deep, akin to those elsewhere of white city-dwellers surrounded by preponderant and ever-growing Negro populations: “They can see our women, we can’t see theirs”; the Arab had a plurality of wives, and therefore was possibly more virile (an intolerable thought to the “Mediterranean-and-a-half”); and with the demographic explosion spawned by his potency, he was threatening to swamp the European by sheer weight of numbers.

    The pied noir would habitually tutoyer any Muslim—a form of speech reserved for intimates, domestics or animals—and was outraged were it ever suggested that this might be a manifestation of racism. Commenting on this, Pierre Nora (admittedly a Frenchman often unduly harsh in his criticism of the pieds noirs), adds an illustration of a judge asking in court:

    “Are there any other witnesses?”

    “Yes, five; two men and three Arabs.”

    Or again: “It was an Arab, but dressed like a person.…”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/i-might-be-charlie-hebdo-paris/384501/#disqus_thread

    • Replies: @Lot
    Part of the French colonization of Algeria was to settle Ashkenazi into Jewish parts of Algeria, who were supposed to modernize the Algerian Sephardi. So at least a few of the returning Jewish Pieds Nords in the 50's and 60's were from France itself.

    A general feature of Algeria during the 1400 years between the Visigoth and French conquests was a weak government that lacked the resources, even if it wanted to, to engage in religious persecution. So while a lot of Algerian Jews came from Spain, they also came from all over the Mediterranean. Many heterodox Muslims also settled there, as well as Morocco and Grenada, thousands of miles away from the enforcers of Islamic orthodoxy.

    Here's a French-Algerian Sephardi who won the nobel prize in physics in 1997:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Cohen-Tannoudji
  30. Off-topic but topical,

    The breast beating over the lack of Blacks in this year’s Oscars is in full swing:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/01/the-oscars-havent-been-this-white-in-19-years/384550/

    The Oscars Haven’t Been This White in 19 Years
    Today’s nominations are a throwback to the year that Braveheart swept the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion.

    Love how they use Braveheart and not a date in the subtitle.Anything to work in a shot of Mel Gibson’s face, I suppose.Well, he is the Hitler du jour .

  31. @Sam Haysom
    This is a fundementally retarded comment. I don't like to use that strong of language, but the idea that it is primarily Jews calling for more outspoken denunciations of Islamic terrorism from "moderate" Muslims is completely at odds with the facts. The NYT has spent the past two weeks refusing to run the offending cartoons and worrying about whether or not the frontlash against Muslims will occur. At no point have they urge "moderate" Muslims to speak up. It is quite clear that you are in complete sympathy with those who use force to police the boundaries of acceptable speech. You are no different than any of the other mavens of political correctness. There is nothing arrogant about insisting that people who fled their home countries express gratitude and sympathy for the culture than took them in. You are the arrogant one for demanding special protections for your religious group. Espeically because Muslims have already been insulated in a shocking degree from the criticisms that routinely ring out against Christians. Thankfully, do to the extremely low self control and poor strategic planning of the extremist Muslims, the moderate Muslims strategy of using the extremists to carve out special dispensations for them is likely over. I believe you will find the new dispensation even less satisfactory and thank God for it.

    There certainly are a lot of Jews on TV demanding that “moderate Muslims” condemn this that or the other. I saw Rabbi Boteach and Bernard Henri Levy doing that yesterday. Very clever, too, that Muslims have to condemn Hamas and other adversaries of Israel. Its a dishonest tactic to humiliate Muslims. It’ll be good if the Pope speaks out against it.

    People like yourself hide behind a sophistry that US wars are secular. It fools no one. US presidents are always pushing their Christian religion and prayer breakfasts in our faces. They have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in recent years, mainly from absolute lies about weapons of mass destruction. I watched Colin Powell’s speech at the UN and he did not believe a word he was saying.

    Americans, too, are humiliated and cowed from speaking out against atrocities like bombing little boys collecting firewood or pulling bullets out of the poor bodies of pregnant women to blame someone else for their deaths. Say something about that and you are attacking “the troops.”

  32. Steve, I’ve found wikipedia to have the best polling summaries for Euro elections.

    The next big test for the alt-right in Europe will be later this year in Denmark:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Danish_general_election

  33. @syonredux
    TNC is in Paris.Naturally, he's here to offer whatever insights he has gleaned from his latest book-on-tape.Right now it's Alistair Horne's A Savage War Of Peace: Algeria 1954-1962:

    The Jewish peoples of Algeria also predated the pied noir, tracing their roots back to the Spanish expulsions of the 16th century and even further. Horne says that Algerian Jews "tended to find themselves being caught between two fires: between the European and the Muslim world." The French effectively turned Algerian Jews into a kind of buffer class, granting them citizenship under the Crémieux Decree in 1870 and denying it to Berbers and Arabs. This award was tenuous—70 years later it was rescinded by Pétain. "Jewish teachers and children alike were summarily flung out of European schools," writes Horne. "The whole community was menaced with deportation to Nazi camps."
     
    Got to love that "This award was tenuous—70 years later it was rescinded by Pétain" business, how gracefully it elides the fact that a little thing like the Nazi conquest of France had occurred, that Petain's Vichy regime was a Nazi puppet state, etc.Heck, note how he even avoids dates at a critical point.We go from Crémieux Decree in 1870 to" 70 years later." One assumes that the reader is supposed to add 70 to 1870 and get 1940 (Surely a meaningless date in French history.....).

    Naturally, he's also quite keen on finding common cause with the North African Muslims, so we get a big chunk from Horne about French attitudes towards the Arabs:

    Equally a host of preconceived inherited notions about the Algerian were accepted uncritically, without examining either their veracity or causation: he was incorrigibly idle and incompetent; he only understood force; he was an innate criminal, and an instinctive rapist. Sexually based prejudices and fears ran deep, akin to those elsewhere of white city-dwellers surrounded by preponderant and ever-growing Negro populations: “They can see our women, we can’t see theirs”; the Arab had a plurality of wives, and therefore was possibly more virile (an intolerable thought to the “Mediterranean-and-a-half”); and with the demographic explosion spawned by his potency, he was threatening to swamp the European by sheer weight of numbers.

    The pied noir would habitually tutoyer any Muslim—a form of speech reserved for intimates, domestics or animals—and was outraged were it ever suggested that this might be a manifestation of racism. Commenting on this, Pierre Nora (admittedly a Frenchman often unduly harsh in his criticism of the pieds noirs), adds an illustration of a judge asking in court:

    “Are there any other witnesses?”

    “Yes, five; two men and three Arabs.”

    Or again: “It was an Arab, but dressed like a person.…”

     

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/i-might-be-charlie-hebdo-paris/384501/#disqus_thread

    Part of the French colonization of Algeria was to settle Ashkenazi into Jewish parts of Algeria, who were supposed to modernize the Algerian Sephardi. So at least a few of the returning Jewish Pieds Nords in the 50’s and 60’s were from France itself.

    A general feature of Algeria during the 1400 years between the Visigoth and French conquests was a weak government that lacked the resources, even if it wanted to, to engage in religious persecution. So while a lot of Algerian Jews came from Spain, they also came from all over the Mediterranean. Many heterodox Muslims also settled there, as well as Morocco and Grenada, thousands of miles away from the enforcers of Islamic orthodoxy.

    Here’s a French-Algerian Sephardi who won the nobel prize in physics in 1997:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Cohen-Tannoudji

    • Replies: @syonredux
    "A general feature of Algeria during the 1400 years between the Visigoth and French conquests was a weak government that lacked the resources, even if it wanted to, to engage in religious persecution. So while a lot of Algerian Jews came from Spain, they also came from all over the Mediterranean. Many heterodox Muslims also settled there, as well as Morocco and Grenada, thousands of miles away from the enforcers of Islamic orthodoxy."

    Well, religious persecution was hardly unheard of:

    The Almohad Caliphate (Berber: Imweḥḥden, from Arabic الموحدون al-Muwaḥḥidun, "the monotheists" or "the unifiers") was a Moroccan[5][6] Berber Muslim movement founded in the 12th century.[7]

    The Almohad movement was started by Ibn Tumart among the Masmuda tribes of southern Morocco. The Almohads first established a Berber state in Tinmel in the Atlas Mountains in roughly 1120.[7] The Almohads succeeded in overthrowing the ruling Almoravids in governing Morocco by 1147, when Abd al-Mu'min al-Gumi (r. 1130-1163) conquered Marrakech and declared himself Caliph. They then extended their power over all of the Maghreb by 1159. Al-Andalus followed the fate of Africa and all Islamic Iberia was under Almohad rule by 1172.[8]
     

    The Almohads, who had taken control of the Almoravids' Maghribi and Andalusian territories by 1147,[19] treated the dhimmis (non-Muslims) harshly. Reports from the period describe that, after an initial 7-month grace period, the Almohads killed or forcefully converted Jewish communities in each new city they conquered until "there was no Jew left from Silves to Mahdia".[20] Cases of mass martyrdom of Jews who refused to convert to Islam are also reported.[20] Abraham Ibn Ezra (1089–1164), who himself fled the persecutions of the Almohads, composed an elegy mourning the destruction of many Jewish communities throughout Spain and the Maghreb under the Almohads.[21] Many Jews fled from territories ruled by the Almohads to Christian lands, and others, like the family of Maimonides, fled east to more tolerant Muslim lands.[22]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Almohad_Caliphate&redirect=no
  34. @Svigor
    Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

    One of Europe’s most prominent Jewish organizations is petitioning the European Union to pass new legislation that would permit Jewish community members to carry guns “for the essential protection of their communities,”

    [...]

    The European Jewish Association (EJA), which represents Jewish communities across Europe, says that gun license laws must be altered following a string of deadly attacks on Jews in France and other European countries, where anti-Semitism has been growing at an alarming rate.

    [...]

    the urgent need to stop talking and start acting” in a way that empowers Europe’s Jews

    [...]

    The EU should empower and train Jews to be proficient with guns in order to maintain their safety

    [...]

    “We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons for the essential protection of their communities, as well as receiving the necessary training to protect their members from potential terror attacks.”

    [...]

    Jewish community representatives should be armed and on guard at Kosher markets and synagogues, he said.

    “We realize that we also have to do something to take responsibility in case it takes too long” for authorities to put the proper defenses into place, Margolin explained.

    This would include stationing armed Jewish community members at popular hubs.

    [...]

    Any changes to the gun laws can be made in a safe and effective way, Margolin argues.

    “Let there be no doubt, we are asking that all weapons will be issued for self-protection only, and to designated personnel that will undergo thorough investigation and training by local authorities,” he wrote.

    Margolin said that he is currently in negotiations with EU leaders to relax certain gun restrictions
     
    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA? Check the ranks of the gun-grabbing movement in the USA, they're thick with Jews. Imagine the reaction from Jews if a leading Christian figure proposed banning the 2nd Amendment for non-whites (Jews included).

    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA?

    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn’t terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.

    • Replies: @SFG
    They're denying it to other people, I think is his argument.

    I agree with you on the USA-- I think Jewish gun control support in America derives more from a general liberal ideology and lack of recognition that *anyone* needs a gun--after all, how many American Jews own guns? They're practicing what they preach.

    As for the Frenchies, well, yes, I think all Frenchmen should own guns, but that's not what those rabbis are saying. They actually are asking for special privileges.

    For the record, Le Pen actually seems to be picking up Jewish votes, so I'm not sure they're as malign to real Frenchmen as Svigor implies. I agree, he does seem like the sort who would claim the polio vaccine was an attempt to weaken gentile immune systems. ;) But he is right on the French Jews at least.

    , @ogunsiron
    It's just beyond ridiculous that they'd advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It's just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn't realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.
  35. @Dave Pinsen

    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA?
     
    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn't terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.

    They’re denying it to other people, I think is his argument.

    I agree with you on the USA– I think Jewish gun control support in America derives more from a general liberal ideology and lack of recognition that *anyone* needs a gun–after all, how many American Jews own guns? They’re practicing what they preach.

    As for the Frenchies, well, yes, I think all Frenchmen should own guns, but that’s not what those rabbis are saying. They actually are asking for special privileges.

    For the record, Le Pen actually seems to be picking up Jewish votes, so I’m not sure they’re as malign to real Frenchmen as Svigor implies. I agree, he does seem like the sort who would claim the polio vaccine was an attempt to weaken gentile immune systems. 😉 But he is right on the French Jews at least.

  36. @Lot
    Part of the French colonization of Algeria was to settle Ashkenazi into Jewish parts of Algeria, who were supposed to modernize the Algerian Sephardi. So at least a few of the returning Jewish Pieds Nords in the 50's and 60's were from France itself.

    A general feature of Algeria during the 1400 years between the Visigoth and French conquests was a weak government that lacked the resources, even if it wanted to, to engage in religious persecution. So while a lot of Algerian Jews came from Spain, they also came from all over the Mediterranean. Many heterodox Muslims also settled there, as well as Morocco and Grenada, thousands of miles away from the enforcers of Islamic orthodoxy.

    Here's a French-Algerian Sephardi who won the nobel prize in physics in 1997:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Cohen-Tannoudji

    “A general feature of Algeria during the 1400 years between the Visigoth and French conquests was a weak government that lacked the resources, even if it wanted to, to engage in religious persecution. So while a lot of Algerian Jews came from Spain, they also came from all over the Mediterranean. Many heterodox Muslims also settled there, as well as Morocco and Grenada, thousands of miles away from the enforcers of Islamic orthodoxy.”

    Well, religious persecution was hardly unheard of:

    The Almohad Caliphate (Berber: Imweḥḥden, from Arabic الموحدون al-Muwaḥḥidun, “the monotheists” or “the unifiers”) was a Moroccan[5][6] Berber Muslim movement founded in the 12th century.[7]

    The Almohad movement was started by Ibn Tumart among the Masmuda tribes of southern Morocco. The Almohads first established a Berber state in Tinmel in the Atlas Mountains in roughly 1120.[7] The Almohads succeeded in overthrowing the ruling Almoravids in governing Morocco by 1147, when Abd al-Mu’min al-Gumi (r. 1130-1163) conquered Marrakech and declared himself Caliph. They then extended their power over all of the Maghreb by 1159. Al-Andalus followed the fate of Africa and all Islamic Iberia was under Almohad rule by 1172.[8]

    The Almohads, who had taken control of the Almoravids’ Maghribi and Andalusian territories by 1147,[19] treated the dhimmis (non-Muslims) harshly. Reports from the period describe that, after an initial 7-month grace period, the Almohads killed or forcefully converted Jewish communities in each new city they conquered until “there was no Jew left from Silves to Mahdia”.[20] Cases of mass martyrdom of Jews who refused to convert to Islam are also reported.[20] Abraham Ibn Ezra (1089–1164), who himself fled the persecutions of the Almohads, composed an elegy mourning the destruction of many Jewish communities throughout Spain and the Maghreb under the Almohads.[21] Many Jews fled from territories ruled by the Almohads to Christian lands, and others, like the family of Maimonides, fled east to more tolerant Muslim lands.[22]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Almohad_Caliphate&redirect=no

  37. @Svigor
    Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

    One of Europe’s most prominent Jewish organizations is petitioning the European Union to pass new legislation that would permit Jewish community members to carry guns “for the essential protection of their communities,”

    [...]

    The European Jewish Association (EJA), which represents Jewish communities across Europe, says that gun license laws must be altered following a string of deadly attacks on Jews in France and other European countries, where anti-Semitism has been growing at an alarming rate.

    [...]

    the urgent need to stop talking and start acting” in a way that empowers Europe’s Jews

    [...]

    The EU should empower and train Jews to be proficient with guns in order to maintain their safety

    [...]

    “We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons for the essential protection of their communities, as well as receiving the necessary training to protect their members from potential terror attacks.”

    [...]

    Jewish community representatives should be armed and on guard at Kosher markets and synagogues, he said.

    “We realize that we also have to do something to take responsibility in case it takes too long” for authorities to put the proper defenses into place, Margolin explained.

    This would include stationing armed Jewish community members at popular hubs.

    [...]

    Any changes to the gun laws can be made in a safe and effective way, Margolin argues.

    “Let there be no doubt, we are asking that all weapons will be issued for self-protection only, and to designated personnel that will undergo thorough investigation and training by local authorities,” he wrote.

    Margolin said that he is currently in negotiations with EU leaders to relax certain gun restrictions
     
    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA? Check the ranks of the gun-grabbing movement in the USA, they're thick with Jews. Imagine the reaction from Jews if a leading Christian figure proposed banning the 2nd Amendment for non-whites (Jews included).

    Jews are just very tribal(and nepotistic) like Gypsies but smarter, it doesn’t matter if they are Orthodox or a Hollywood atheist, they are linked and look out for each other. The Chinese do it, same with Brahmins or even El Salvadoreans.

    It’s nothing special, it’s way we’re wired.

    Whites used to do it until we transferred our ethnic loyalty to the state which we perpetually confuse with the white community, which it is not. Blame state sponsored education/indoctrination for that

    Whites could do well by emulating Jewish tribalness and nepotism. It’s about the only real defense a people have when the state is not there to protect their interests in any manner such as it is now.

    And yes, the Jews would scream bloody murder if white Christians did what you proposed. Oddly enough these same people are quite content to strip whites of any form of personal defense and leave them prostrate before the state.

  38. What’s true about the National Front in 2017, is what was true about them in 2002 ie., the only way they can win, is if they get into a run-off with the Socialists. At this point, it seems unlikely Hollande can accomplish that. But perhaps Hollande will rebound sufficiently in popularity, or conversely, perhaps the Socialists will dump Hollande altogether. Surely either of those outcomes are within the realm of possibility?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe the center-right candidate gets arrested for rape? It happened to the center-left frontrunner in 2011.
  39. @slumber_j
    Not off-topic, I think, is this majestic headline from The Daily Mail: Sister of Paris deli killer Coulibaly is a 'Booty Therapy' dancer who aims to end racism through the medium of upside-down twerking

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911271/Sister-Paris-deli-killer-Coulibaly-Booty-Therapy-dancer-aims-end-racism-medium-upside-twerking.html#ixzz3OuQhn086

    Wow, all crazy things converging in one spot. Booty therapy, upside down twerking, anti-racism, sibling terrorism.

    Radical Cheek, I guess.

    In case you thought we weren’t doomed.

  40. Unz needs to implement proper thread trees. Whenever people start responding to each other I really wish a could skip the whole thing (not always, but often enough.)

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    For the record, I hate thread trees. It's difficult to follow, because each time a new answer is made, you need to start reading the whole thread from the beginning to find it. If you don't like commenters responding to each other, why are you reading comments at all?
    , @Hersh
    This format is much better than thread trees. New comments come up highlighted in blue now so much easier; thanks for that.
  41. GE gave 200K euros to French free speech groups and passed out 10,000 copies of Charlie Hebdo to its French employees. That is pretty ballsy for a company that makes billions in the Middle East.

    http://www.entreprise-citoyenne.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-le-geste-discret-de-general-electric-en-faveur-des-victimes-et-de-ses-salariés-français.html

  42. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    What's true about the National Front in 2017, is what was true about them in 2002 ie., the only way they can win, is if they get into a run-off with the Socialists. At this point, it seems unlikely Hollande can accomplish that. But perhaps Hollande will rebound sufficiently in popularity, or conversely, perhaps the Socialists will dump Hollande altogether. Surely either of those outcomes are within the realm of possibility?

    Or maybe the center-right candidate gets arrested for rape? It happened to the center-left frontrunner in 2011.

  43. @bossel

    as “far right.” IIRC, Le Pen is in favor of the French welfare state
     
    Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?
    So, you would consider the NSDAP also left wing, because they led a welfare state?

    The nazis were socialists, for sure, but right or left wing is more than that. (Well, actually, since it originally referred to the physical position of groups in parliament, maybe less.)

    Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?

    No, it’s that the welfare state cannot be pro-right wing. Or pro-native.

    What people can’t seem to get through their skulls is that the welfare state doesn’t exist to serve you. You exist to serve it.

  44. @Irish Rebel
    Le Pen's party are actually a leftist party who happen to be a nationalist one. The dishonest media persists in calling it "far right".

    The FN was, I believe, more of a nationalist free-market oriented party 20 years or so ago. The traditional electoral bastion of the FN was among middle class professionals from the south-east of France. Those people were receptive to the relatively free market and nationalist message of J.M LePen. As the FN acquired more voters from the working classes, it has had to adapt its message.
    In any case, being rightwing in France and in a lot of European countries is not synonymous with being a liberal (= free marketer).

  45. @Dave Pinsen

    Are Jewish supremacy, racism, and particularism in the DNA?
     
    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn't terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.

    It’s just beyond ridiculous that they’d advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It’s just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn’t realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    High traffic areas or Jewish stores, synagogues, etc.?

    Perhaps they thought they'd be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely? Or perhaps they didn't want to see more Muslims armed? Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    , @Anonymous
    It’s just beyond ridiculous that they’d advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It’s just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn’t realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    Self centered? Demands to have bands of armed jews patrolling the streets of France like some sort of occupying force sound more than "self centered" to me. Next they'll be demanding jus primae noctis from the native French at gunpoint according to this logic. And Dave Pinsen will find nothing wrong with it, although he'll give us the opportunity to "present evidence" why jus primae noctis for French jews is in fact a bad thing.

  46. @ogunsiron
    It's just beyond ridiculous that they'd advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It's just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn't realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    High traffic areas or Jewish stores, synagogues, etc.?

    Perhaps they thought they’d be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely? Or perhaps they didn’t want to see more Muslims armed? Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity. Nobody is talking about giving extra protection to working class white French, so there should be no extra protection to French Jews either.

    What alternate approach could they have taken
     
    They should have kept their mouths shut. If I am at extra risk of dying two years earlier than the average person only because I'm male doesn't mean that I should receive extra privileges when it comes to health services.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren't pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc. We are in a hole that Rabbi Margolin's organization wants us to dig ourselves deeper, and then he's asking for special privileges to protect himself from the consequences of the policies he himself proposed?
    , @Difference Maker
    How about deportation of Muslims, and stop agitating for more immigration.

    Btw if they self deported back to Israel I think everyone would be happy. Something they should seriously consider
  47. @onetwothree
    Unz needs to implement proper thread trees. Whenever people start responding to each other I really wish a could skip the whole thing (not always, but often enough.)

    For the record, I hate thread trees. It’s difficult to follow, because each time a new answer is made, you need to start reading the whole thread from the beginning to find it. If you don’t like commenters responding to each other, why are you reading comments at all?

  48. 43: Yes, the FN was an Atlanticist party during the Cold War (anti-Gaullists and fanatical anti-communists, like the cement magnate who made JMLP his heir, then constituted its base). It was opposition to the immigration invasion, however, that first attracted a significant number of voters to the party.

  49. @Dave Pinsen
    High traffic areas or Jewish stores, synagogues, etc.?

    Perhaps they thought they'd be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely? Or perhaps they didn't want to see more Muslims armed? Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity. Nobody is talking about giving extra protection to working class white French, so there should be no extra protection to French Jews either.

    What alternate approach could they have taken

    They should have kept their mouths shut. If I am at extra risk of dying two years earlier than the average person only because I’m male doesn’t mean that I should receive extra privileges when it comes to health services.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren’t pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc. We are in a hole that Rabbi Margolin’s organization wants us to dig ourselves deeper, and then he’s asking for special privileges to protect himself from the consequences of the policies he himself proposed?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity.
     
    You offer no support for this claim.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren’t pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc.
     
    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn't mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration (though they may have done so elsewhere).
  50. @Svigor
    U-Va. Phi Psi members speak about impact of discredited gang rape allegations

    “That leads back to the bigger problem in that our society tends to rush to judge without the facts,” Scipione said. “They just see the headline and get upset, and they want to blame it on someone, and obviously we were the easiest targets for that.”
     
    Wrong. The media rushes to judgement when it furthers their agenda. The media postpones judgement indefinitely when it furthers their agenda.

    Scipione and Fontenot said that the Phi Psi brothers experienced a difficult fall semester but said no one should consider the fraternity members as “victims.”

    “We don’t want to take away from the real victims, which are the victims of sexual assault,” Fontenot said. “We think it is incredibly unfair that the Rolling Stone article could in any way take away their credibility and the support they need.”
     
    Sissies. They should be talking about the real perps and their enablers, not the imaginary victims. They should be pointing the finger at Jackie, Erdely, Rolling Stone, the leftist corporate media, and UVa authorities, not kissing feminist ass.

    The Greek system that Phi Psi rejoins is one that has spent the past two months focusing on the issue of sexual assault as a result of the campus turmoil the article created. The university administration suspended all fraternity functions through the first full week of January, affecting about one-third of the school’s 15,000 undergraduates.
     
    All of which was, at best, a waste of time. They should spend the next six months focusing on the issue of hoaxes, false accusations, and false accusations of sexual assault in particular. They should spend the next six months dealing with the issue of leftist corporate media witch hunts, show trials, and progroms, and the environment of total impunity that the leftist corporate media creates for itself; how the lives of 5,000 college students were negatively impacted because the leftist corporate media chose to believe the absurd stories of one deranged girl because they furthered their leftist agenda.

    Sullivan said last week that she would immediately lift the ban if fraternities signed a new contract with the school that is designed to discourage binge drinking and enhance safety measures at large parties.
     
    The frats should be calling for Sullivan to resign or be fired. They should make her kiss their asses in public, and give them concessions, if she wants to keep her job.

    “Sexual assault on college campuses is a real problem, and it needs to be addressed. And just because one story from Rolling Stone dropped the ball doesn’t mean we can dismiss it,” Fontenot said.
     
    The McCarthyist, Inquisition-like, progrom-like, Soviet show trial-like, Dreyfus Affair-like, witch-hunting atmosphere of false accusations and hoaxes created by the leftists in general, and the leftist corporate media and feminists in particular, is the real problem that needs to be addressed - a problem that the leftist corporate media is obviously currently aiding and abetting.

    Frat guys at UVA don’t care about that stuff. They know the score, but they aren’t bitter nobodies like you and me. They just want to graduate and get good jobs.

  51. “Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?
    So, you would consider the NSDAP also left wing, because they led a welfare state?”

    I would consider the NSDAP a leftwing party. Not only because of the welfare state but because of their whole party platform. National-Socialists are still socialists. I can’t understand why someone informed would think that they were not a left wing movement.

    “”Is this some US-centric stuff that the right wing cannot be pro welfare state?”

    I don’t think it is US-centric.

  52. I really dislike the kind of negative, despairing posts “Sean” graced us with early in this thread. This kind of pathetic, loser attitude is the reason why the good guys in America have been so unsuccesful compared to the good guys in Europe. It’s amazing how people like “Sean” can take a story about a nationalist possibly winning the presidency of France and spin it into a tale of hopelessness.

  53. @onetwothree
    Unz needs to implement proper thread trees. Whenever people start responding to each other I really wish a could skip the whole thing (not always, but often enough.)

    This format is much better than thread trees. New comments come up highlighted in blue now so much easier; thanks for that.

  54. Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

    Here, maybe this will help:

    Imagine the reaction from Jews if a leading Christian figure proposed banning the 2nd Amendment for non-whites (Jews included).

    Or, if you really need help, try this:

    Imagine if White Christian pols proposed gun rights for White Christians in a country where no one has gun rights.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn’t terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.

    So, you’re a liberal then. Because this is the kind of thing libs say in defense of blacks, browns, Muslims, etc.

    Whites could do well by emulating Jewish tribalness and nepotism.

    Agreed. Maybe Ron Unz can implement a signature system. Then I can add your quote as my sig, and clear up some recurring confusion; I can’t be bothered to type it every time.

    It’s just beyond ridiculous that they’d advocate this explicitely for Jews only.

    It’s amazing (to American sensibilities, anyway) that they’d demand gun rights for Jews, explicitly. Didn’t even bother to ask for a universal right because it’s what they want for themselves.

    It’s just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn’t realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    You put it more nicely than I did, but that’s it precisely.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    They could have simply demanded gun rights for all. It’s not like Jews are the only ones being killed by Muslim fanatics.

    If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    Jews are rootless cosmopolitans, compared to other groups. Have you ever heard me criticize them for emigrating to Israel? On the contrary, I’ve often exhorted the Jews who don’t want to assimilate to move to Israel. I’m curious to know if any regular commenters here have ever criticized them for emigrating to Israel.

    It’s not a case of “damned if they do, damned if they don’t” for me. If Jews shape up, I’ll bless ’em.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    So, you’re a liberal then. Because this is the kind of thing libs say in defense of blacks, browns, Muslims, etc.
     
    No. I am not in favor of gun control myself, but I understand the logic of gun control advocates' arguments for it. In the US, the salient factor is whether people feel the police can adequately protect them, and there is an urban/rural divide on that.

    Jews are rootless cosmopolitans, compared to other groups. Have you ever heard me criticize them for emigrating to Israel?
     
    Once they get there, you wouldn't give them crap for occupying Palestinian land, etc.?
  55. Perhaps they thought they’d be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely?

    Then they could say that: hey, we think everyone/non-Muslims/Jews & Christians/whatever should have gun rights, but if that’s not on the table, well, we still want them. Still arrogant and self-centered, but less mind-bogglingly so.

    Or perhaps they didn’t want to see more Muslims armed?

    Then they could demand gun rights for all non-Muslims, or some form of proxy, say, Jews & Christians.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Then they could demand gun rights for all non-Muslims, or some form of proxy, say, Jews & Christians.
     
    A fair point. I suppose they could have done that.
  56. France’s immigration policy toward Muslims:

    Invite and Insult.

    • Replies: @Harold
    A pretty good summary of a few recent pieces at The Unz Review:
    Invade the muslim world, invite the muslim world, insult the muslim world. What could go wrong?
  57. Here’s a link to an article on the most recent opinion poll in France concerning political opinions after the Charlie Hebdo massacre:

    http://www.fdesouche.com/554255-pas-deffet-charlie-hebdo-fn-autres-indicateurs-limpact-attentats-lopinion-publique

    The headline says: “No Charlie Hebdo effect for the FN and other indicators of the impact on public opinion after the attacks” . I guess the Scribd file can be run through a translator.

    I’m not surprised the first poll fails to show a big shift to the FN. I don’t think people think in terms of party politics for a while after such events.

  58. Just once I’d like Steve to make a post and not have the comment box turn into an idiotic circle-jerk about Jews.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I've got to agree with you on this. If we sorted through all the readers' posts here containing the words "Jew" or "Jewish" we'd find about twenty duds for every good one. It's unfortunate because the topic is pertinent, and I don't think anyone could make sense of the last century without discussing it, but the comments are overwhelmingly duds nevertheless.
  59. Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted.

    On second thought, that’s leftist, too. Make a generalization, watch the leftists triumphantly trot out the black/brown/Muslim/whatever exception.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    On second thought, that’s leftist, too. Make a generalization, watch the leftists triumphantly trot out the black/brown/Muslim/whatever exception.
     
    Not following you on this.
  60. @reiner Tor
    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity. Nobody is talking about giving extra protection to working class white French, so there should be no extra protection to French Jews either.

    What alternate approach could they have taken
     
    They should have kept their mouths shut. If I am at extra risk of dying two years earlier than the average person only because I'm male doesn't mean that I should receive extra privileges when it comes to health services.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren't pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc. We are in a hole that Rabbi Margolin's organization wants us to dig ourselves deeper, and then he's asking for special privileges to protect himself from the consequences of the policies he himself proposed?

    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity.

    You offer no support for this claim.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren’t pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc.

    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn’t mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration (though they may have done so elsewhere).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    You offer no support for this claim.
     
    I don't need to offer a support for the claim that middle class people are more protected from lower class crime, because it's well known. Feel free to prove the opposite. Feel free to prove that those who have less money to move to expensive (i.e. far away from crime and lower class immigrants) neighborhoods will nevertheless not become victimized by immigrant crime.

    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn’t mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration
     
    Diversity Cult, Worship of the Other, Multiculturalism etc. are not useless, they are actively harmful if you want to decrease immigration. And you don't seriously believe that someone who wants to "institute a monthly hour of education on racism, xenophobia and non-discrimination in school syllabuses" would also find an immediate moratorium on immigration (or at least on immigration from Muslim countries) acceptable.

    Go and find yourself what this rabbi thinks of immigration, and of anti-immigrationist parties.

    , @Wilkey
    "You offer no support for this claim."

    Well since the identities of rape and sex slavery victims generally aren't released, there is no way to support it. But logic would suggest it, and I'd wager that if you looked at murder victims, whose IDs are known, you'd find non-Jewish whites are victimized more often. The truth is that rich liberals, Jewish or otherwise, do a damn good job at insulating themselves from the consequences of real diversity. Except for the occasional well-behaved token, they make no attempt to diversify THEIR institutions. Visit an Episcopalian church, a Unitarian "church," or a Jewish temple or synagogue and you will find almost none of the Peoples of Vibrancy - no blacks, no Hispanics, and no Pacific Islanders, and no real desire to welcome them.
  61. @Svigor

    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted. Jews have been targets of several recent terrorist attacks in Europe, so it seems reasonable for representatives of European Jews to want the right to bear arms to defend themselves.
     
    Here, maybe this will help:

    Imagine the reaction from Jews if a leading Christian figure proposed banning the 2nd Amendment for non-whites (Jews included).
     
    Or, if you really need help, try this:

    Imagine if White Christian pols proposed gun rights for White Christians in a country where no one has gun rights.

    That liberal Jews in the US tend to be pro gun control isn’t terribly relevant because they are different people in different situations.
     
    So, you're a liberal then. Because this is the kind of thing libs say in defense of blacks, browns, Muslims, etc.

    Whites could do well by emulating Jewish tribalness and nepotism.
     
    Agreed. Maybe Ron Unz can implement a signature system. Then I can add your quote as my sig, and clear up some recurring confusion; I can't be bothered to type it every time.

    It’s just beyond ridiculous that they’d advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
     
    It's amazing (to American sensibilities, anyway) that they'd demand gun rights for Jews, explicitly. Didn't even bother to ask for a universal right because it's what they want for themselves.

    It’s just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn’t realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.
     
    You put it more nicely than I did, but that's it precisely.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?
     
    They could have simply demanded gun rights for all. It's not like Jews are the only ones being killed by Muslim fanatics.

    If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?
     
    Jews are rootless cosmopolitans, compared to other groups. Have you ever heard me criticize them for emigrating to Israel? On the contrary, I've often exhorted the Jews who don't want to assimilate to move to Israel. I'm curious to know if any regular commenters here have ever criticized them for emigrating to Israel.

    It's not a case of "damned if they do, damned if they don't" for me. If Jews shape up, I'll bless 'em.

    So, you’re a liberal then. Because this is the kind of thing libs say in defense of blacks, browns, Muslims, etc.

    No. I am not in favor of gun control myself, but I understand the logic of gun control advocates’ arguments for it. In the US, the salient factor is whether people feel the police can adequately protect them, and there is an urban/rural divide on that.

    Jews are rootless cosmopolitans, compared to other groups. Have you ever heard me criticize them for emigrating to Israel?

    Once they get there, you wouldn’t give them crap for occupying Palestinian land, etc.?

  62. @Svigor

    Perhaps they thought they’d be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely?
     
    Then they could say that: hey, we think everyone/non-Muslims/Jews & Christians/whatever should have gun rights, but if that's not on the table, well, we still want them. Still arrogant and self-centered, but less mind-bogglingly so.

    Or perhaps they didn’t want to see more Muslims armed?
     
    Then they could demand gun rights for all non-Muslims, or some form of proxy, say, Jews & Christians.

    Then they could demand gun rights for all non-Muslims, or some form of proxy, say, Jews & Christians.

    A fair point. I suppose they could have done that.

  63. @Svigor

    Not sure how your rhetorical question/attack on all Jews follows logically from the quotes you excerpted.
     
    On second thought, that's leftist, too. Make a generalization, watch the leftists triumphantly trot out the black/brown/Muslim/whatever exception.

    On second thought, that’s leftist, too. Make a generalization, watch the leftists triumphantly trot out the black/brown/Muslim/whatever exception.

    Not following you on this.

  64. @Bert
    Just once I'd like Steve to make a post and not have the comment box turn into an idiotic circle-jerk about Jews.

    I’ve got to agree with you on this. If we sorted through all the readers’ posts here containing the words “Jew” or “Jewish” we’d find about twenty duds for every good one. It’s unfortunate because the topic is pertinent, and I don’t think anyone could make sense of the last century without discussing it, but the comments are overwhelmingly duds nevertheless.

  65. @Dave Pinsen
    High traffic areas or Jewish stores, synagogues, etc.?

    Perhaps they thought they'd be more likely to get a limited exception to gun control laws for a designated number of trained and vetted Jews than to get those laws scrapped entirely? Or perhaps they didn't want to see more Muslims armed? Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

    What alternate approach could they have taken that you and Svigor would have approved of? If they demanded police be assigned to Jewish facilities, that would have sounded self-centered too, right? If they all emigrated to Israel or elsewhere, that would show they were just rootless cosmopolitans, right?

    How about deportation of Muslims, and stop agitating for more immigration.

    Btw if they self deported back to Israel I think everyone would be happy. Something they should seriously consider

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe they could go to the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians there could go to France. Israel-Palestine conflict solved. I think Arafat's widow already lives in France.
  66. Not following you on this.

    I kinda left a step out. Point was that I wasn’t saying “all x are y.” I find it amusing how Jews get special dispensation and the lefty arguments are always trotted out in their favor, by people who then turn around and smash those same lefty arguments when deployed on behalf of other minorities. I’ve even seen Jews do it themselves, demolish lefty arguments deployed on behalf of other minorities, then deploy the very same arguments on behalf of Jews.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I guess I'd need to see a fleshed out example. Anyhow, if you're interested in seeing a broader range of views on guns in one place, see this post by Fred Wilson and its comments: http://avc.com/2012/12/demand-a-plan/

    Fred's a Bloomberg-style left-leaning capitalist, but since most of his posts are non-political, he has a number of right-leaning readers. So you see a nice dust-up in the comments on the rare political post like that one.
  67. @Difference Maker
    How about deportation of Muslims, and stop agitating for more immigration.

    Btw if they self deported back to Israel I think everyone would be happy. Something they should seriously consider

    Maybe they could go to the West Bank and Gaza, and the Palestinians there could go to France. Israel-Palestine conflict solved. I think Arafat’s widow already lives in France.

  68. @Svigor

    Not following you on this.
     
    I kinda left a step out. Point was that I wasn't saying "all x are y." I find it amusing how Jews get special dispensation and the lefty arguments are always trotted out in their favor, by people who then turn around and smash those same lefty arguments when deployed on behalf of other minorities. I've even seen Jews do it themselves, demolish lefty arguments deployed on behalf of other minorities, then deploy the very same arguments on behalf of Jews.

    I guess I’d need to see a fleshed out example. Anyhow, if you’re interested in seeing a broader range of views on guns in one place, see this post by Fred Wilson and its comments: http://avc.com/2012/12/demand-a-plan/

    Fred’s a Bloomberg-style left-leaning capitalist, but since most of his posts are non-political, he has a number of right-leaning readers. So you see a nice dust-up in the comments on the rare political post like that one.

  69. @Anon
    France's immigration policy toward Muslims:

    Invite and Insult.

    A pretty good summary of a few recent pieces at The Unz Review:
    Invade the muslim world, invite the muslim world, insult the muslim world. What could go wrong?

  70. Cwhatfuture [AKA "Steve (not Sailer)"] says:

    Novelist Michel Houellebecq’s scenario for 2022, in which the French Establishment closes ranks to deny the presidency to Le Pen even if it means electing the Islamist candidate who stumbled into second in the primary, doesn’t look all that far-fetched.

    In Israel, where as you note they take these things more seriously than the West, it is understood by all sides that one does not rely on the Arab/Muslim parties to form the 61 seat ruling coalition.

  71. @Dave Pinsen

    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity.
     
    You offer no support for this claim.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren’t pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc.
     
    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn't mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration (though they may have done so elsewhere).

    You offer no support for this claim.

    I don’t need to offer a support for the claim that middle class people are more protected from lower class crime, because it’s well known. Feel free to prove the opposite. Feel free to prove that those who have less money to move to expensive (i.e. far away from crime and lower class immigrants) neighborhoods will nevertheless not become victimized by immigrant crime.

    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn’t mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration

    Diversity Cult, Worship of the Other, Multiculturalism etc. are not useless, they are actively harmful if you want to decrease immigration. And you don’t seriously believe that someone who wants to “institute a monthly hour of education on racism, xenophobia and non-discrimination in school syllabuses” would also find an immediate moratorium on immigration (or at least on immigration from Muslim countries) acceptable.

    Go and find yourself what this rabbi thinks of immigration, and of anti-immigrationist parties.

  72. @Dave Pinsen

    Well, poor white French are more likely to fall victim to Muslim (and other nonwhite) crime (including rape and sex slavery Rotherham style) than Jews who are mostly middle class or upper middle class, living in neighborhoods heavily insulated from vibrancy and diversity.
     
    You offer no support for this claim.

    Oh, and it would be helpful if they weren’t pushing for further multiculturalism, cultural Marxism, anti-racism, pro-immigrationism, etc.
     
    That link says they were calling for education to combat racism, etc. Entirely useless, but it doesn't mention anything about them advocating for more third world immigration (though they may have done so elsewhere).

    “You offer no support for this claim.”

    Well since the identities of rape and sex slavery victims generally aren’t released, there is no way to support it. But logic would suggest it, and I’d wager that if you looked at murder victims, whose IDs are known, you’d find non-Jewish whites are victimized more often. The truth is that rich liberals, Jewish or otherwise, do a damn good job at insulating themselves from the consequences of real diversity. Except for the occasional well-behaved token, they make no attempt to diversify THEIR institutions. Visit an Episcopalian church, a Unitarian “church,” or a Jewish temple or synagogue and you will find almost none of the Peoples of Vibrancy – no blacks, no Hispanics, and no Pacific Islanders, and no real desire to welcome them.

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    The Jews of France are majority Middle Eastern Jews, who arrived in France from Algeria or Tunisia at the same time as the first wave of Muslim immigrants, in the early 60s. Unlike the Muslims, within one generation, they educated themselves, left the poor neighborhoods and integrated into the French middle class. But unlike the middle class Christian French, or the older Jewish French community, these Jews know the Arab Muslims well and do not like them or want them in France, or anywhere else. Arab Muslims are the reason they left Algeria after independence, despite the fact the Jews had been in Algeria for 2000 years. These Jews are not the people who want open immigration into France. And they are insulated from nothing. Jewish institutions and synagogues in France have become fortresses.
  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ogunsiron
    It's just beyond ridiculous that they'd advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It's just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn't realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    It’s just beyond ridiculous that they’d advocate this explicitely for Jews only.
    Armed , officially endorsed Jews patrolling high traffic areas ?
    It’s just weird how whoever is asking for this doesn’t realize that it sounds a bit self-centered.

    Self centered? Demands to have bands of armed jews patrolling the streets of France like some sort of occupying force sound more than “self centered” to me. Next they’ll be demanding jus primae noctis from the native French at gunpoint according to this logic. And Dave Pinsen will find nothing wrong with it, although he’ll give us the opportunity to “present evidence” why jus primae noctis for French jews is in fact a bad thing.

  74. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Diversity Cult, Worship of the Other, Multiculturalism etc. are not useless, they are actively harmful…”

    I was just dealing at some length with an exceptionally Diversity-Cult Worship of the Other white person (sounds to me like trying to get all her kids married to non-whites) and I was struck by how neurotic she seemed to be. Everything was due to how she thought about things, and by extension, how all of us thought. If she could only get it all lined up…

    Maybe not an ideology, not a mental disease, just an organized form of narcissism in some sort of positive feedback loop. Maybe not peculiar to white people, but any people who find their life too easy or meaningless and told they have great power, they can change the world, etc..

  75. Cwhatfuture [AKA "Steve (not Sailer)"] says:
    @Wilkey
    "You offer no support for this claim."

    Well since the identities of rape and sex slavery victims generally aren't released, there is no way to support it. But logic would suggest it, and I'd wager that if you looked at murder victims, whose IDs are known, you'd find non-Jewish whites are victimized more often. The truth is that rich liberals, Jewish or otherwise, do a damn good job at insulating themselves from the consequences of real diversity. Except for the occasional well-behaved token, they make no attempt to diversify THEIR institutions. Visit an Episcopalian church, a Unitarian "church," or a Jewish temple or synagogue and you will find almost none of the Peoples of Vibrancy - no blacks, no Hispanics, and no Pacific Islanders, and no real desire to welcome them.

    The Jews of France are majority Middle Eastern Jews, who arrived in France from Algeria or Tunisia at the same time as the first wave of Muslim immigrants, in the early 60s. Unlike the Muslims, within one generation, they educated themselves, left the poor neighborhoods and integrated into the French middle class. But unlike the middle class Christian French, or the older Jewish French community, these Jews know the Arab Muslims well and do not like them or want them in France, or anywhere else. Arab Muslims are the reason they left Algeria after independence, despite the fact the Jews had been in Algeria for 2000 years. These Jews are not the people who want open immigration into France. And they are insulated from nothing. Jewish institutions and synagogues in France have become fortresses.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    2,000 years is a long time for rootless cosmopolitans to stay in one place.
  76. @Cwhatfuture
    The Jews of France are majority Middle Eastern Jews, who arrived in France from Algeria or Tunisia at the same time as the first wave of Muslim immigrants, in the early 60s. Unlike the Muslims, within one generation, they educated themselves, left the poor neighborhoods and integrated into the French middle class. But unlike the middle class Christian French, or the older Jewish French community, these Jews know the Arab Muslims well and do not like them or want them in France, or anywhere else. Arab Muslims are the reason they left Algeria after independence, despite the fact the Jews had been in Algeria for 2000 years. These Jews are not the people who want open immigration into France. And they are insulated from nothing. Jewish institutions and synagogues in France have become fortresses.

    2,000 years is a long time for rootless cosmopolitans to stay in one place.

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