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2015 PISA Mean Scores in Perspective

PISA 2015 by Steve Sailer

Here are the overall 2015 PISA scores (averaging the Science, Reading, and Math scores equally), with color coding to put the various American scores (red bars) in perspective.

Keep in mind that some countries didn’t do a good job of rounding up everybody who was supposed to take the test, which probably serves to boost their scores slightly.

American whites went up 1 point since 2012′s PISA, while American Asians were down 31 points (roughly 3 tenths of a standard deviation). I don’t know why. In general, East Asian countries were down a little from 2012.

There were a number of big changes in the PISA from 2012 to 2015. I think they switched from paper to computer and made some other changes as well. So it’s probably best not to worry too much about score changes from 2012 to 2015.

You can read my earlier coverage of PISA results over the years here.

Data for this graph can be found here for countries and here for U.S. ethnic groups.

 
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  1. What happened to Asian Americans?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I dunno. PISA made some changes in the test and in how it's scored. Maybe the sample changed?

    Test creation is this weird business where just about any test, poor or superb, will get fairly similar overall results, but to get results where you can do very fine analyses: e.g., the gap between whites and Asians in America in 2015 versus the gap in 2012 can be very hard.

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  2. @inertial
    What happened to Asian Americans?

    I dunno. PISA made some changes in the test and in how it’s scored. Maybe the sample changed?

    Test creation is this weird business where just about any test, poor or superb, will get fairly similar overall results, but to get results where you can do very fine analyses: e.g., the gap between whites and Asians in America in 2015 versus the gap in 2012 can be very hard.

    • Replies: @Lathdrinor
    The difference between Asian American results in 2015 and Asian American results in 2012 is quite significant. It's not merely a difference of a few points, which could be explained by natural variance. The same appears to have happened to the scores of East Asian countries in general, with the exception of Singapore which has held mostly constant. But Singapore is distinguished from other East Asian countries through having an education system taught in English. English was also the language in which Singapore's PISA was given.

    I too wonder about what changes have been made to the tests. Since PISA is an education achievement test, above all, the questions must be based on some standard criteria of what 15-year old students ought to know. It would not be very hard to modify the area of focus, or even the types of questions that might be asked.

    , @AnonymousCoward
    The climate of hate surrounding the Trump campaign is responsible for this.
  3. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno. PISA made some changes in the test and in how it's scored. Maybe the sample changed?

    Test creation is this weird business where just about any test, poor or superb, will get fairly similar overall results, but to get results where you can do very fine analyses: e.g., the gap between whites and Asians in America in 2015 versus the gap in 2012 can be very hard.

    The difference between Asian American results in 2015 and Asian American results in 2012 is quite significant. It’s not merely a difference of a few points, which could be explained by natural variance. The same appears to have happened to the scores of East Asian countries in general, with the exception of Singapore which has held mostly constant. But Singapore is distinguished from other East Asian countries through having an education system taught in English. English was also the language in which Singapore’s PISA was given.

    I too wonder about what changes have been made to the tests. Since PISA is an education achievement test, above all, the questions must be based on some standard criteria of what 15-year old students ought to know. It would not be very hard to modify the area of focus, or even the types of questions that might be asked.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Perhaps the non-English speaking Malays (the poors) were excluded from testing. Perhaps backwards peasants were also given the same treatment in the other East Asian nations.

    It's still hard to reconcile the relative lack of economic success of Asia given these high scores. Perhaps the yoke of communism and the crushing wheel of corruption prevents great success. Time will tell.
  4. Does “Chinese Taipei” refer to Taiwan as a whole, or just Taipei?

    • Replies: @The Inscrutable Chinaman
    "Chinese Taipei" is used to refer to Taiwan (ROC). The designation was created in 1979 for use at the Olympics.
  5. @Steve Sailer
    I dunno. PISA made some changes in the test and in how it's scored. Maybe the sample changed?

    Test creation is this weird business where just about any test, poor or superb, will get fairly similar overall results, but to get results where you can do very fine analyses: e.g., the gap between whites and Asians in America in 2015 versus the gap in 2012 can be very hard.

    The climate of hate surrounding the Trump campaign is responsible for this.

  6. Steve,
    Do any of the other European countries break out scores by ethnicity?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Prior years some had immigrant categories that could serve as non-white proxies.

    I've seen data that suggests MENA Muslims do substantially worse in European schools than blacks in the USA.

    France does not have affirmative action in its selective colleges and visible Muslims seem to be under 1% of the class versus 20% of the college age population.
    , @Lot
    Here is a link with some hard data on how low the IQs are of Europe's heavily inbred and Muslim non-White immigrant population.

    The Danish data again suggests that Muslims do worse in school that any US racial group, looks to be a roughly 1.3 SD gap.

    http://en.europenews.dk/-Muslim-Inbreeding-Impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society-78170.html
  7. From the number of Somalis the West is importing I expected them to be at the top

  8. Switching from paper to computer could possibly have a negative impact on scores in the Chinese provinces, given the low computer ownership in the country. In 2012 Shanghai students who did the math part of the test on computers scored more than 50 points worse than those who did the paper-based test.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Is computer ownership low in rural China? Surplus working XP era laptops and desktops cost $5-40, and that has been the case for a while. If anything, urban ownership could be lower since a lot of urban Chinese can afford a PC but not the rent on private desk to use it.
  9. @Dave Pinsen
    Does "Chinese Taipei" refer to Taiwan as a whole, or just Taipei?

    “Chinese Taipei” is used to refer to Taiwan (ROC). The designation was created in 1979 for use at the Olympics.

  10. For all the hitching about American education, we sure do seem to punch at or above our weight.

  11. Signapore is actually 75 pct Han Chinese. It has a mix of Indians, Malays and other groups. Of course, being a rich city state, it attracts the smartest from the region.

    Still, it’s not completely East Asian which I think bears further study. In fact, it’s low scoring Malay component is equivalent in percentage to our black component but that does not drag down their scoring as much.

    Anyone who has been to Signapore can tell you about the scores of Morlockesque, very poor (comparatively) Malays who inhabit the square block apartments in the less fashionable areas. Curiously, I did not see a Malaysian score so it would be hard to compare.

    • Replies: @CapitalistRoader
    On a trip to Singapore in the early-aughts I once had a Morlock taxi driver, after finding out that I was an American, volunteer that he thought President Bush should be killed. This was shortly after 9/11 and there was absolutely no context for the statement. He just blurted it out.

    A successful racially and ethnically diverse country probably needs iron-handed authoritarianism to keep the peace. Like Singapore. Or Tito's Yugoslavia. Low trust societies need a huge police presence.
  12. @Lathdrinor
    The difference between Asian American results in 2015 and Asian American results in 2012 is quite significant. It's not merely a difference of a few points, which could be explained by natural variance. The same appears to have happened to the scores of East Asian countries in general, with the exception of Singapore which has held mostly constant. But Singapore is distinguished from other East Asian countries through having an education system taught in English. English was also the language in which Singapore's PISA was given.

    I too wonder about what changes have been made to the tests. Since PISA is an education achievement test, above all, the questions must be based on some standard criteria of what 15-year old students ought to know. It would not be very hard to modify the area of focus, or even the types of questions that might be asked.

    Perhaps the non-English speaking Malays (the poors) were excluded from testing. Perhaps backwards peasants were also given the same treatment in the other East Asian nations.

    It’s still hard to reconcile the relative lack of economic success of Asia given these high scores. Perhaps the yoke of communism and the crushing wheel of corruption prevents great success. Time will tell.

    • Replies: @Anon

    It’s still hard to reconcile the relative lack of economic success of Asia given these high scores
     
    Why? The high-scoring nations in PISA tend to be wealthy and well-off. There are some exceptions, like Vietnam, but they exclude 51% of their sample. Nevertheless, for a developing country, Vietnam does really well.
  13. Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn’t add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let’s therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn’t cover 10% and Slovenia doesn’t cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it’s just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don’t think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It’s not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The U.S. spends a lot of money schooling and gets pretty decent results relative to the racial makeup of the population.
    , @Lot
    PISA does not attempt to measure g.

    To some extent the very good US scores is because our children have been drilled in standardized test taking skills their whole lives.
    , @Cicerone
    The SD in PISA is by design aimed to be 100 with a "mean" of 500, akin to IQ definitions of a mean of 100 and a SD of 15.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    You are right that culture and resources are also going to effect PISA scores significantly, but really Montenegro and Slovenia are part of the same culture only to the same extent that Lombardy and Sicily are both "Italian". I am not surprised at all to see Montenegrins way below Slovenians, and I am sure that is what everyone in Ljubljana would expect.
    , @utu
    "It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others)" - Exactly. If there was as much money and pressure involved in IQ international testing as it is in PISA we would have similar discrepancies that Slovenia would test like Taiwan and Montenegro like Bronx. The pressure and money would exacerbate the differences.

    BTW, your statement "Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics." is only marginally correct. Depends which twin studies you want to cite. Is it 80%, 70%, 50%?
    , @anon

    1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn’t add up.
     
    Sure it does if the difference is accounted for by what's left over from "primarily genetic."

    For example it's known you need sufficient iodine to prevent retardation so if you take two populations that have identical genetic potential but only give one group enough iodine then the other group will be dumber...

    and iodine deficiency = mountains

    so unless fixed artificially a country that's 80% mountains will have a lower average IQ than one that is 20% mountains even if the inhabitants are identical genetically.

    #


    And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?
     
    Easily.

    Say the standard eurowhite potential was 100 but some populations tucked away in the mountains missed a particular invasion wave which brought +5 IQ genes so their potential was 95 average IQ and then you knock off 5pts for iodine deficiency and 5pts for inbreeding depression for an average IQ of 85

    while say black american potential was 85 with good iodine intake and no inbreeding depression so they're also 85

    #

    Given the Finns and the East Asian scores I'd guess the explanation for the Estonia / Lithuania thing is the Estonians got a dose of East Asian genes.

    #


    Either way, I don’t think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these.
     
    I think it makes perfect sense for them to be used as a first approximation but it makes even more sense to look for odd disparities as they will provide clues to those factors outside the genetic (or differently genetic).
  14. @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    The U.S. spends a lot of money schooling and gets pretty decent results relative to the racial makeup of the population.

    • Replies: @little spoon
    It is perfectly reasonable to say this test measures the educational quality then if it is the case that spending money on education results in significantly higher results, but it is not reasonable to say that the PISA or TIMSS tests can be used to estimate IQ, and certainly not to the level of precision some people are attributing to the test. You have people claiming that you can tell if China's IQ is 102 vs 103 through this test which doesn't make sense given that it isn't an IQ test and that the margin of error on how well the score measures the populace appears to be huge.
  15. I also have a question about Kazakhstan. It seems in 2012, Kazakhstan got a pretty low score of 416 which kept it near the bottom for PISA ( it had a 432 in math). But this year it has beat Canada in TIMSS while Canada is near the top of PISA at 523 (516 in math). When you have inconsistencies like this going on how can you treat these tests as though they measure ability between countries properly?

    • Replies: @Curiousreader
    Absolutely correct. The PISA-worshipping is completly illogical given the huge and unexplainable disparities that you've highlighted.

    The Estonia-Lithuania divergence itself should disqualify anyone who still takes the test as a reliable proxy for IQ.
  16. @Sendil
    Switching from paper to computer could possibly have a negative impact on scores in the Chinese provinces, given the low computer ownership in the country. In 2012 Shanghai students who did the math part of the test on computers scored more than 50 points worse than those who did the paper-based test.

    Is computer ownership low in rural China? Surplus working XP era laptops and desktops cost $5-40, and that has been the case for a while. If anything, urban ownership could be lower since a lot of urban Chinese can afford a PC but not the rent on private desk to use it.

  17. @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    PISA does not attempt to measure g.

    To some extent the very good US scores is because our children have been drilled in standardized test taking skills their whole lives.

    • Replies: @Trelane
    All cognitive tests are at least partially g loaded. Even Ms. Turnipseed's 4th grade social studies quiz on the Pilgrim's Thanksgiving is probably at least 40% g loaded. It's not a question of whether a test is g loaded it's a question how much it is g loaded.

    The PISA is probably about 65-75% g loaded. If it's not, then the PISA is probably an inappropriate test instrument for the applicable students it's administered to (either too difficult or too easy).

  18. All this yakkin’ about Pisa is making me hungry. Tell Tony I have the good walnut sauce ready for that hot dog with no bun. :)

  19. The results don’t seem to include a number of Muslim countries, and the ones that are there are pretty low in the rankings. Perhaps a result of Muslim inbreeding, which is taboo to discuss elsewhere…?

  20. @Steve Sailer
    The U.S. spends a lot of money schooling and gets pretty decent results relative to the racial makeup of the population.

    It is perfectly reasonable to say this test measures the educational quality then if it is the case that spending money on education results in significantly higher results, but it is not reasonable to say that the PISA or TIMSS tests can be used to estimate IQ, and certainly not to the level of precision some people are attributing to the test. You have people claiming that you can tell if China’s IQ is 102 vs 103 through this test which doesn’t make sense given that it isn’t an IQ test and that the margin of error on how well the score measures the populace appears to be huge.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Psychometrics starts out pretty easy and gets very hard.
  21. @JerseyGuy
    Steve,
    Do any of the other European countries break out scores by ethnicity?

    Prior years some had immigrant categories that could serve as non-white proxies.

    I’ve seen data that suggests MENA Muslims do substantially worse in European schools than blacks in the USA.

    France does not have affirmative action in its selective colleges and visible Muslims seem to be under 1% of the class versus 20% of the college age population.

  22. @little spoon
    It is perfectly reasonable to say this test measures the educational quality then if it is the case that spending money on education results in significantly higher results, but it is not reasonable to say that the PISA or TIMSS tests can be used to estimate IQ, and certainly not to the level of precision some people are attributing to the test. You have people claiming that you can tell if China's IQ is 102 vs 103 through this test which doesn't make sense given that it isn't an IQ test and that the margin of error on how well the score measures the populace appears to be huge.

    Psychometrics starts out pretty easy and gets very hard.

    • Replies: @little spoon
    Steve,

    I think the problem with measuring population IQ is that it layers two different kinds of complex measurements that have a lot of room for error if done incorrectly- the IQ test and population demographics. The first is the IQ test itself which is designed to be a carefully constructed test which balances various types of aptitudes which have been proven to be g loaded and weights each component appropriately. Even within an individual different kinds of IQ tests can create differences as wide as 20 points and there is debate over which types of intelligence should be weighted more. Weighting the same IQ test differently can lead to differences of 8 points or so. Using non IQ test proxies for IQ has the problem of that the test is only a correlate with IQ and will always have a margin of error. Even under ideal conditions, the PISA test could be used to estimate a range of IQ, not a precise score.

    The second issue, which I think is the bigger issue in measuring a population IQ is the issue of measuring demographics. This is a bigger issue because unlike a scholastic test, where intelligence can come through even if the test is not a perfectly designed assessment of intelligence, if you don't have a representative sample of districts, nothing is going to correct for that. I do population studies and I have to weight by several variables per country to get reasonable measures (region, gender, language group, income etc). It's not at all uncommon that if the sampling is done even with some seemingly small bias, the results will be totally wrong. For example, I did a study in September where we sampled and weighted by age cohort, race, gender, state, income, party ID and more and I still had Hillary up by 25 points, which was obviously wrong. If you have a few correlated errors, you get a totally wrong result. I doubt someone is making sure that the schools selected for PISA tests are perfectly representative of the country's population across provinces, income levels, urban/rural divides etc. But normally in demography you have to do that, otherwise you would get wrong numbers for anything scalar (family size, mean income etc). I don't think IQ is different. The Pew and the UN are very careful in surveys. They are very methodological about how they collect data- they might take a map of the city and survey every 5th house in a zip code and make sure to talk to genders and age groups equally, weight according to region etc. Even still they sometimes see wide differences from one year to the next on certain questions. If you really wanted a proper measure of scholastic aptitude from country to country, you would have to use the kind of carefully representative surveying methods the Pew or pollsters would use and then you would have to give them a test which was designed to get a balanced measure of problem solving skills that don't require much subject knowledge. So far no one has done anything close do this, and I don't think we have reliable data about how different countries compare to each other in scholastic aptitude.
  23. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    If you think PISA scores correlate so well with IQ that they might as well be equivalent to it, then why the hell do immigrant groups in Europe far far exceed those in their homeland despite not being selected for intelligence (in fact, you might argue many are selected for stupidity)?
    Don’t you think there are huge confounding variables that mediate this relationship, as opposed to the PISA test being some sort of IQ test?

    • Replies: @anon
    I saw a study on Ireland vs Britain once where the "urban" scores were the same and "rural" scores were the same (but substantially lower than urban)

    and yet with a large difference in overall average IQ

    (cos different percentage of urban/rural).

    1) I think inbreeding depression is normal in long established rural populations even without deliberate close cousin marriage and when they move to the city (in their own or another country) and inter marry within the same ethnic group (but not from their own village) then they lose the inbreeding depression. Same happens with height imo.

    I used to work in an environment with lots of little ethnic enclaves and you'd see it all the time: short, semi-dumb rural village parents with taller, less dumb kids.)

    2) iodine
  24. @JerseyGuy
    Steve,
    Do any of the other European countries break out scores by ethnicity?

    Here is a link with some hard data on how low the IQs are of Europe’s heavily inbred and Muslim non-White immigrant population.

    The Danish data again suggests that Muslims do worse in school that any US racial group, looks to be a roughly 1.3 SD gap.

    http://en.europenews.dk/-Muslim-Inbreeding-Impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society-78170.html

  25. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Meanwhile, in the little railway town of Hanau, Germany, a new large Mosque has just been built and opened, which is appearing to supercharge the community confidence of Muslim migrants:

    • Replies: @HVO 106
    How do you know they are migrants and not German born? If they indeed turn out to be German born and therefore not migrants, that makes you a liar. Worse, it makes you a liar concerning what are issues of life and death for many people trying to escape your despots in what were formally western client states.

    You are aware that in any of the Gulf countries, people behaving like this would summarily rounded up and made to disappear, and that therefore, this really isn't an ethnic or religious issue at all?

    I live around Muslims and blacks and they are very proud of their culture and show it but don't intimidate like this. Unlike the people in your video, they are mostly refugees.
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  27. This says that White Americans are just about the smartest Whites on Earth. Could that be right?

    • Replies: @Andrei kuznetsov
    Not really . You can look in the full report in the page 252 Student performance in science, by immigrant background. Although its only for Science given the fact that Canada,Slovenia, Germany,Netherlands,Switzerland,Belgium outscore white Americans in math with the immigrants included its safe to assume their native whites outscore us whites in general. So the US whites are probably 7th if you count all white countries and like 2nd/4th if you count the "major" ones (depends on your definition of major country)
    , @anon
    The white scores will include immigrant kids and the percentage of non-white kids in the schools is much higher than the percentage in the population: 15% in the population might be 30% in the schools.

    Also the percentage from different source populations will vary so one country might have 50% bright and 50% dumb while another has 20% smart and 80% dumb.
  28. Again sailer this is stupid. Test scores do not mean much other than the ability to take tests well, the Japs are middling when it comes to test scores vs other east Asian countries and yet have the most innovative capacity.

  29. in Perspective

    What perspective?

    It’s worth remembering the full title of Sarrazin’s book — Deutschland schafft sich ab: Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen — translations of abschaffen and aufs Spiel setzen — so his book/work had a very clear perspective.

    The Danish data

    The data from other European countries would be more or less similar — also the consequences (aka perspective):

    ABSTRACT — Immigrant Participation in Welfare Benefits in the NetherlandsThe analysis shows that immigrants are drastically more likely to have a benefit, in particular social assistance and disability benefits. A large part of migrants’ dependence can be explained by their background characteristics and immigration history but still a significant unexplained residual is left.

    Yes, the “unexplained residual” is a mystery — this is the jackpot of the lottery Spiel every immigrant plays: just make it there, and you get a free life in a nice white country.

  30. I am surprised to see Ireland doing better than Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland. I don’t think that tracks with the IQ estimates by Lynn where Germany had an estimate of 99 and Ireland of 92. Turkish IQ was estimated to be 90 and they do far worse here in PISA than black Americans.

  31. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Lol at your picture. Georgia,Cyprus and Israel are grouped with Europe but Kosovo and Albania are grouped with MENA (Middle East and North-Africa).
    What is this stupidity?

  32. @Lot
    PISA does not attempt to measure g.

    To some extent the very good US scores is because our children have been drilled in standardized test taking skills their whole lives.

    All cognitive tests are at least partially g loaded. Even Ms. Turnipseed’s 4th grade social studies quiz on the Pilgrim’s Thanksgiving is probably at least 40% g loaded. It’s not a question of whether a test is g loaded it’s a question how much it is g loaded.

    The PISA is probably about 65-75% g loaded. If it’s not, then the PISA is probably an inappropriate test instrument for the applicable students it’s administered to (either too difficult or too easy).

    • Replies: @Lot
    I agree that PISA and all scholastic tests are g loaded. However, tests not designed as IQ tests will not be good for international comparisons if the non-g loading dominates. Especially if we are talking about comparing European and Asian groups whose national averages should all be fairly close to each other.
  33. I am surprised to see Ireland doing better than Germany

    Ireland — Estimated Population classified by Sex and Nationality, 2009 – 2014 — data here (in Table 9) says approx 4% of Ireland’s population comes from the “Rest of the world” — Bevölkerungsstand — data for Germany suggest people “mit Migrationshintergrund”, ie roughly equivalent to the “Rest of the world” in Ireland, make up approx 4x the fraction of the population as compared to Ireland — now, this may not be the entire explanation, but it does raise two obvious questions: 1) what exactly is the source of your ‘surprise’, and 2) why do you think Sarrazin wrote his book, and titled it the way he did?

    • Replies: @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/BrittPettibone/status/806407103405498368
  34. Got to admit, it’s looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it’s natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Apparently, the Flynniest of the Flynn Effects Remains in Effect. I can’t wait until some American Think Tank decides that learning Irish Gaelic is the secret to success for inner city Baltimore schools. We all know this very Vox article is in the works as we speak.

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    • Replies: @Carl
    Little gives me more pleasure than the witless condescension of post-national Burgermen towards the Irish. Spike's alright, though. And by the way, it's "its" !!
    , @anon

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.
     
    Don't be cocky, boyo!

    The black folks be right behind 'em, don't ya know!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8
    , @Father O'Hara
    I believe the Great Helmsman stated that the point of all those Mandarin academies was to keep the minorities out."Mandarin? We don't need no stinking Mandarin!" But Irish for the Anglo-Zio strivers,that would be a nicely ironic twist!
    , @anon

    Got to admit, it’s looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it’s natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.
     
    Enjoy it while it lasts. If it's just the result of being slighter slower to replace their native population than those other countries then Ireland will still be joining the 3rd world just a few years later than them.

    ps for anyone interested spike milligan's memoirs of winning ww2 are very funny

  35. So according to this august PISA test Macedonians are of a lower IQ than US blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There's a lot of Kosovo Albanians and Gypsies in Macedonia. And Slavs have been leaving it for decades for countries like Australia and Canada. Obviously, the smartest make it there and the dumbest stay.
  36. @eah
    I am surprised to see Ireland doing better than Germany

    Ireland -- Estimated Population classified by Sex and Nationality, 2009 - 2014 -- data here (in Table 9) says approx 4% of Ireland's population comes from the "Rest of the world" -- Bevölkerungsstand -- data for Germany suggest people "mit Migrationshintergrund", ie roughly equivalent to the "Rest of the world" in Ireland, make up approx 4x the fraction of the population as compared to Ireland -- now, this may not be the entire explanation, but it does raise two obvious questions: 1) what exactly is the source of your 'surprise', and 2) why do you think Sarrazin wrote his book, and titled it the way he did?

    OT

  37. Since Steve again mentioned “rounding up everyone who was supposed to take the test,” I’m reposting this comment:

    One last thing: the “coverage” is the proportion of those represented in the test sample relative to the total population of 15-year-olds. For example, in China (B-S-J-G) there are 2.1 million people of the right age, of which 1.5 million are in school. For all the countries tested, the coverage of the enrolled population was over 90%.
    See page 290: http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/download/9816061e.pdf?expires=1481052723&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=8E0EDEE28A0A70F727D4AA33B0B549C0

    So, it’s about how many 15-year-olds go to school. Everywhere, over 90% of those in school were represented in the testing sample.

  38. One would think Australia’s replace-the-bogan immigration policy should be improving PISA scores. But Australian schools are in ‘absolute decline’ globally says PISA report. How is this so?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Did Asian-Australian scores drop the way Asian-American scores plummeted?
  39. @little spoon
    I also have a question about Kazakhstan. It seems in 2012, Kazakhstan got a pretty low score of 416 which kept it near the bottom for PISA ( it had a 432 in math). But this year it has beat Canada in TIMSS while Canada is near the top of PISA at 523 (516 in math). When you have inconsistencies like this going on how can you treat these tests as though they measure ability between countries properly?

    Absolutely correct. The PISA-worshipping is completly illogical given the huge and unexplainable disparities that you’ve highlighted.

    The Estonia-Lithuania divergence itself should disqualify anyone who still takes the test as a reliable proxy for IQ.

    • Replies: @A Wandering Finn
    Well, I don't quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as "Scando-Slavic".
  40. “White Americans: 519
    Asian Americans: 517
    B-S-J-G(China): 514″

    Just let Panda know what black magic made that happen, OECD PISA organisers? ROFL

  41. @Tacitus2016
    One would think Australia's replace-the-bogan immigration policy should be improving PISA scores. But Australian schools are in 'absolute decline' globally says PISA report. How is this so?

    Did Asian-Australian scores drop the way Asian-American scores plummeted?

  42. @Curiousreader
    Absolutely correct. The PISA-worshipping is completly illogical given the huge and unexplainable disparities that you've highlighted.

    The Estonia-Lithuania divergence itself should disqualify anyone who still takes the test as a reliable proxy for IQ.

    Well, I don’t quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as “Scando-Slavic”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, I don’t quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as “Scando-Slavic”.

    Not really. While there are differences between the three populations, they are not as vast as you say. Certainly, Latvia is more similar to Estonia in the sense that it is largely Protestant, too. The truth is though that all of the Baltic countries have been predominantly secular the last 100 or so years. What makes Estonia stand out is not some genetic trait, but the fact that 25 years ago all three countries inherited the Soviet education which had put a huge emphasis on the so called "exact" sciences (to the detriment of social sciences, by the way). What most likely happened was that Estonia didn't dismantle the inherited system to the extent that the other Balts did - e.g., they didn't just replace it but took the best out of it and tweaked it to their own modern, innovative approach. Estonians tend to be slightly more pragmatic than Latvians / Lithuanians, and they have a slightly better living standard, but the difference is not huge. They also mix with Russians less. Also, genetically, Estonians and Latvians are very close (r1a and N) - there is a strong Finnic (Livonian) strata in both of those nations (even if they speak different languages). Having a common past in the USSR is definitely not the only thing these peoples have in common - for instance, all of those countries have equally high internet speeds and relatively similar pre-war cultural traditions (even though Estonia is more "northern" but Lithuania "central" European). None of them are Germanic or Slavic.
    , @little spoon
    "Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries."

    That's not a correct statement. As far as two different nationalities go, the Estonians and the Lithuanians are genetically very similar even though they don't have a mutually comprehenisible language. You can see this illustrated in this map-

    http://brilliantmaps.com/the-genetic-map-of-europe/

    The Estonians are genetically very similar to Lithuanians and not similar to germans as far as white ethnicities go. Estonians are also more similar to Lithuanians than they are to the Finnish. You can see that the baltic countries form a clear cluster of genetically similar nationalities that can be obviously distinguished from all other groups including Scandinavians and other northern European slavs.

    The fact that the Estonian score is closer to Portugal, multi racial Americans and Singapore than to either Latvians or Lithuanians does not lend credibility to the thesis that aptitude is heritable if one takes the PISA test to be a measure of aptitude.
  43. Significant drops in many European countries, U.S., and Israel

    PISA 2012 2015

    Germany 515 508

    Poland 521 504

    UK 502 500

    France 500 496

    Austria 500 492

    Czechia 500 491

    United States 492 488

    Italy 490 485

    Hungary 487 474

    Israel 474 472

    Most major European countries as well as the U.S. have
    experienced significant declines. Poorer nutrition? Obviously not.
    Debilitating effect of social media? Perhaps.

    Israel’s poor performance is puzzling, to say the least

  44. @Clifford Brown
    Got to admit, it's looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it's natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Apparently, the Flynniest of the Flynn Effects Remains in Effect. I can't wait until some American Think Tank decides that learning Irish Gaelic is the secret to success for inner city Baltimore schools. We all know this very Vox article is in the works as we speak.

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfz9O_mSY1U

    Little gives me more pleasure than the witless condescension of post-national Burgermen towards the Irish. Spike’s alright, though. And by the way, it’s “its” !!

  45. Can’t see scores for Asian-Australians or White-Australians but there are scores for ‘Indigenous’-Australians – ie Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders. They don’t do well.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page77

    Immigrant Background – could be Asian, could be Arabs or Africans.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page88

    Entire file.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf

    East Asians have done very well in past.

    https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Australians with Indigenous backgrounds scored 437 in science, 435 in reading, and 427 in math with an average score of 433. Black Americans scored 433 in science, 443 in reading, and 419 in math with an average score of 432.

    I want to congratulate Portugal for beating the OECD average and the US. In 2012, it was reported that only 28% of the population over the age of 30 had a high school diploma. Kids during Franco's era only had to go to school for three years. Portugal also spends less per student than the OECD average and the US.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150062919/lack-of-graduates-hampers-portugals-recovery
  46. @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    The SD in PISA is by design aimed to be 100 with a “mean” of 500, akin to IQ definitions of a mean of 100 and a SD of 15.

  47. @inertial
    What happened to Asian Americans?

    Are they now including Arabs and other Middle Easterners in “Asian”?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No moron. They're still included in 'white'.

    But Indians and Filipinos are included in Asian. Which shouldn't matter since they're the highest earners in America.

    And Middle Eastern Americans should also score higher than white Americans according to income.

  48. @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    You are right that culture and resources are also going to effect PISA scores significantly, but really Montenegro and Slovenia are part of the same culture only to the same extent that Lombardy and Sicily are both “Italian”. I am not surprised at all to see Montenegrins way below Slovenians, and I am sure that is what everyone in Ljubljana would expect.

    • Replies: @little spoon
    Northern Italians and Sicilians look different as Sicilians normally have a different skin complexion and sometimes different hair texture, so I don't think it's the same as slovenians vs serbians or montenegrins who look pretty similar to me.

    According to this table of haplogroups of Europe-
    https://cogniarchae.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/genetics-speaks-who-is-who-on-balkans/

    Slovenians and Montenigrins are not similar as far as slavs go, but Slovenians and Moldovans are very similar. But even those two there is an 88 point PISA gap, about the same as the black white gap in the US.

    Heritability becomes the salient factor when other factors are universally saturated. So height is now high heritable because everyone is overfed from rich to poor. If some people were starving then height would appear less heritable- having food would be a more salient factor. The possibilities are the following: 1) what can be imparted through education is not fully realized across these countries, which diminishes the heritable factor of scholastic aptitude or 2) There is a measurement issue.
  49. @low status male
    This says that White Americans are just about the smartest Whites on Earth. Could that be right?

    Not really . You can look in the full report in the page 252 Student performance in science, by immigrant background. Although its only for Science given the fact that Canada,Slovenia, Germany,Netherlands,Switzerland,Belgium outscore white Americans in math with the immigrants included its safe to assume their native whites outscore us whites in general. So the US whites are probably 7th if you count all white countries and like 2nd/4th if you count the “major” ones (depends on your definition of major country)

    • Replies: @JerseyGuy
    That sounds about right. America has a VERY diverse white population. And we are quite disparate, including a large number of rural whites compared to Europe. Still, America has such a large white population that it doesn't really make much of a difference.

    Steve is right that America's schools actually perform pretty well considering our demographics.
  50. @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    “It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others)” – Exactly. If there was as much money and pressure involved in IQ international testing as it is in PISA we would have similar discrepancies that Slovenia would test like Taiwan and Montenegro like Bronx. The pressure and money would exacerbate the differences.

    BTW, your statement “Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics.” is only marginally correct. Depends which twin studies you want to cite. Is it 80%, 70%, 50%?

  51. Asian Americas score 1 point lower than white Americans?

    Asia is not sending us their best. They’ve gotta go back.

    • Replies: @anon

    Asian Americas score 1 point lower than white Americans?
     
    Asia's a big place.

    If Viet was 502 and Hong Kong 532 then if you had 50/50 of each the average would be 517
  52. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Are they now including Arabs and other Middle Easterners in "Asian"?

    No moron. They’re still included in ‘white’.

    But Indians and Filipinos are included in Asian. Which shouldn’t matter since they’re the highest earners in America.

    And Middle Eastern Americans should also score higher than white Americans according to income.

  53. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @lolwut
    So according to this august PISA test Macedonians are of a lower IQ than US blacks.

    There’s a lot of Kosovo Albanians and Gypsies in Macedonia. And Slavs have been leaving it for decades for countries like Australia and Canada. Obviously, the smartest make it there and the dumbest stay.

  54. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Clifford Brown
    Got to admit, it's looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it's natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Apparently, the Flynniest of the Flynn Effects Remains in Effect. I can't wait until some American Think Tank decides that learning Irish Gaelic is the secret to success for inner city Baltimore schools. We all know this very Vox article is in the works as we speak.

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfz9O_mSY1U

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    Don’t be cocky, boyo!

    The black folks be right behind ‘em, don’t ya know!!

  55. @AnonymousCoward
    The climate of hate surrounding the Trump campaign is responsible for this.

    Is that climate gonna change?

  56. @Clifford Brown
    Got to admit, it's looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it's natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Apparently, the Flynniest of the Flynn Effects Remains in Effect. I can't wait until some American Think Tank decides that learning Irish Gaelic is the secret to success for inner city Baltimore schools. We all know this very Vox article is in the works as we speak.

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfz9O_mSY1U

    I believe the Great Helmsman stated that the point of all those Mandarin academies was to keep the minorities out.”Mandarin? We don’t need no stinking Mandarin!” But Irish for the Anglo-Zio strivers,that would be a nicely ironic twist!

  57. @Yak-15
    Signapore is actually 75 pct Han Chinese. It has a mix of Indians, Malays and other groups. Of course, being a rich city state, it attracts the smartest from the region.

    Still, it's not completely East Asian which I think bears further study. In fact, it's low scoring Malay component is equivalent in percentage to our black component but that does not drag down their scoring as much.

    Anyone who has been to Signapore can tell you about the scores of Morlockesque, very poor (comparatively) Malays who inhabit the square block apartments in the less fashionable areas. Curiously, I did not see a Malaysian score so it would be hard to compare.

    On a trip to Singapore in the early-aughts I once had a Morlock taxi driver, after finding out that I was an American, volunteer that he thought President Bush should be killed. This was shortly after 9/11 and there was absolutely no context for the statement. He just blurted it out.

    A successful racially and ethnically diverse country probably needs iron-handed authoritarianism to keep the peace. Like Singapore. Or Tito’s Yugoslavia. Low trust societies need a huge police presence.

  58. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @A Wandering Finn
    Well, I don't quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as "Scando-Slavic".

    Well, I don’t quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as “Scando-Slavic”.

    Not really. While there are differences between the three populations, they are not as vast as you say. Certainly, Latvia is more similar to Estonia in the sense that it is largely Protestant, too. The truth is though that all of the Baltic countries have been predominantly secular the last 100 or so years. What makes Estonia stand out is not some genetic trait, but the fact that 25 years ago all three countries inherited the Soviet education which had put a huge emphasis on the so called “exact” sciences (to the detriment of social sciences, by the way). What most likely happened was that Estonia didn’t dismantle the inherited system to the extent that the other Balts did – e.g., they didn’t just replace it but took the best out of it and tweaked it to their own modern, innovative approach. Estonians tend to be slightly more pragmatic than Latvians / Lithuanians, and they have a slightly better living standard, but the difference is not huge. They also mix with Russians less. Also, genetically, Estonians and Latvians are very close (r1a and N) – there is a strong Finnic (Livonian) strata in both of those nations (even if they speak different languages). Having a common past in the USSR is definitely not the only thing these peoples have in common – for instance, all of those countries have equally high internet speeds and relatively similar pre-war cultural traditions (even though Estonia is more “northern” but Lithuania “central” European). None of them are Germanic or Slavic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Balts (linguistic not geographic) might as well be Slavic. They're very close to them.
    And Lithuania has a significantly lower IQ than the West European norm. And it shows with their crime rates in the diaspora.
  59. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    Well, I don’t quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as “Scando-Slavic”.

    Not really. While there are differences between the three populations, they are not as vast as you say. Certainly, Latvia is more similar to Estonia in the sense that it is largely Protestant, too. The truth is though that all of the Baltic countries have been predominantly secular the last 100 or so years. What makes Estonia stand out is not some genetic trait, but the fact that 25 years ago all three countries inherited the Soviet education which had put a huge emphasis on the so called "exact" sciences (to the detriment of social sciences, by the way). What most likely happened was that Estonia didn't dismantle the inherited system to the extent that the other Balts did - e.g., they didn't just replace it but took the best out of it and tweaked it to their own modern, innovative approach. Estonians tend to be slightly more pragmatic than Latvians / Lithuanians, and they have a slightly better living standard, but the difference is not huge. They also mix with Russians less. Also, genetically, Estonians and Latvians are very close (r1a and N) - there is a strong Finnic (Livonian) strata in both of those nations (even if they speak different languages). Having a common past in the USSR is definitely not the only thing these peoples have in common - for instance, all of those countries have equally high internet speeds and relatively similar pre-war cultural traditions (even though Estonia is more "northern" but Lithuania "central" European). None of them are Germanic or Slavic.

    Balts (linguistic not geographic) might as well be Slavic. They’re very close to them.
    And Lithuania has a significantly lower IQ than the West European norm. And it shows with their crime rates in the diaspora.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Balts (linguistic not geographic) might as well be Slavic
     
    .

    You'll see in the genetic map posted above that Balts have a lot of N (a gene that probably was retained from the population of the Finno Ugric Livs who were assimilated by the incoming Indo European Balts), while Slavs (with the exception of northern Russians) have very little N.
    Linguistically, yes, there absolutely are similarities (although Baltic - Slavic languages are not mutually intelligible, the way various Slavic languages are among themselves). There are many theories about the common ancestral language, Lithuanian being one of the most archaic IE languages (linguists debate whether Slavic derived from Baltic and vice versa).
  60. @A Wandering Finn
    Well, I don't quite see why this should be the case. Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries. Former is a Protestant, Finno-Ugric nation, that was earlier part of German and Swedish cultural and political sphere. Latter is a Catholic, Baltic-speaking nation, that was formerly part of Polish cultural and political sphere. Only thing they have in common is the fact, that for two centuries or less they were part of Russian empire and later they were annexed by USSR. And also, as a comment to one earlier commentator, neither can be described as "Scando-Slavic".

    “Estonia and Lithuania are culturally, historically, religiously, linguistically, and genetically VERY, VERY dissimilar countries.”

    That’s not a correct statement. As far as two different nationalities go, the Estonians and the Lithuanians are genetically very similar even though they don’t have a mutually comprehenisible language. You can see this illustrated in this map-

    http://brilliantmaps.com/the-genetic-map-of-europe/

    The Estonians are genetically very similar to Lithuanians and not similar to germans as far as white ethnicities go. Estonians are also more similar to Lithuanians than they are to the Finnish. You can see that the baltic countries form a clear cluster of genetically similar nationalities that can be obviously distinguished from all other groups including Scandinavians and other northern European slavs.

    The fact that the Estonian score is closer to Portugal, multi racial Americans and Singapore than to either Latvians or Lithuanians does not lend credibility to the thesis that aptitude is heritable if one takes the PISA test to be a measure of aptitude.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    Psychometrics starts out pretty easy and gets very hard.

    Steve,

    I think the problem with measuring population IQ is that it layers two different kinds of complex measurements that have a lot of room for error if done incorrectly- the IQ test and population demographics. The first is the IQ test itself which is designed to be a carefully constructed test which balances various types of aptitudes which have been proven to be g loaded and weights each component appropriately. Even within an individual different kinds of IQ tests can create differences as wide as 20 points and there is debate over which types of intelligence should be weighted more. Weighting the same IQ test differently can lead to differences of 8 points or so. Using non IQ test proxies for IQ has the problem of that the test is only a correlate with IQ and will always have a margin of error. Even under ideal conditions, the PISA test could be used to estimate a range of IQ, not a precise score.

    The second issue, which I think is the bigger issue in measuring a population IQ is the issue of measuring demographics. This is a bigger issue because unlike a scholastic test, where intelligence can come through even if the test is not a perfectly designed assessment of intelligence, if you don’t have a representative sample of districts, nothing is going to correct for that. I do population studies and I have to weight by several variables per country to get reasonable measures (region, gender, language group, income etc). It’s not at all uncommon that if the sampling is done even with some seemingly small bias, the results will be totally wrong. For example, I did a study in September where we sampled and weighted by age cohort, race, gender, state, income, party ID and more and I still had Hillary up by 25 points, which was obviously wrong. If you have a few correlated errors, you get a totally wrong result. I doubt someone is making sure that the schools selected for PISA tests are perfectly representative of the country’s population across provinces, income levels, urban/rural divides etc. But normally in demography you have to do that, otherwise you would get wrong numbers for anything scalar (family size, mean income etc). I don’t think IQ is different. The Pew and the UN are very careful in surveys. They are very methodological about how they collect data- they might take a map of the city and survey every 5th house in a zip code and make sure to talk to genders and age groups equally, weight according to region etc. Even still they sometimes see wide differences from one year to the next on certain questions. If you really wanted a proper measure of scholastic aptitude from country to country, you would have to use the kind of carefully representative surveying methods the Pew or pollsters would use and then you would have to give them a test which was designed to get a balanced measure of problem solving skills that don’t require much subject knowledge. So far no one has done anything close do this, and I don’t think we have reliable data about how different countries compare to each other in scholastic aptitude.

  62. @Peter Akuleyev
    You are right that culture and resources are also going to effect PISA scores significantly, but really Montenegro and Slovenia are part of the same culture only to the same extent that Lombardy and Sicily are both "Italian". I am not surprised at all to see Montenegrins way below Slovenians, and I am sure that is what everyone in Ljubljana would expect.

    Northern Italians and Sicilians look different as Sicilians normally have a different skin complexion and sometimes different hair texture, so I don’t think it’s the same as slovenians vs serbians or montenegrins who look pretty similar to me.

    According to this table of haplogroups of Europe-

    https://cogniarchae.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/genetics-speaks-who-is-who-on-balkans/

    Slovenians and Montenigrins are not similar as far as slavs go, but Slovenians and Moldovans are very similar. But even those two there is an 88 point PISA gap, about the same as the black white gap in the US.

    Heritability becomes the salient factor when other factors are universally saturated. So height is now high heritable because everyone is overfed from rich to poor. If some people were starving then height would appear less heritable- having food would be a more salient factor. The possibilities are the following: 1) what can be imparted through education is not fully realized across these countries, which diminishes the heritable factor of scholastic aptitude or 2) There is a measurement issue.

  63. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @little spoon
    Why is this test considered a proxy of population IQ? Looking at those results, it seems impossible to believe both of the following: 1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn't add up. The difference between white americans and blacks is 87 points. In the previous year, it was 84. Let's therefore assume the SD on this test is about 85 points. The difference between the highest scoring Scando-Slavic country (Estonia) and the lowest (Lithuania) is 49, which is nearly as high as the difference between white Americans and hispanics in the US (54). More absurdly, the difference between the highest scoring slavic nation, Slovenia, and the lowest scoring slavic nation, Montenegro, is 90- greater than the black white gap and greater than 1 SD. Those are not only two slavic nations but two former yugolsavian nations which are very similar in terms of language and genetics- at least they look the same to me as I have been to both countries. Montenegro doesn't cover 10% and Slovenia doesn't cover 7%. Similar for Estonia vs. Lithuania. In both cases the country sampling slightly more of the population does markedly better. As it happens, Slovenia has a GDP per capita 3 times that of montenegro, so the score disparity is not hard to explain if you favor economic factors; it's just impossible to explain if you think these scores are representative of innate potential as driven by genetic cognitive abilities. And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    It seems that either you can teach people to take these tests (which some are doing more than others) or that there is huge sampling error in how much of the population these tests can be used to estimate skills for. Either way, I don't think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these. There is a reason the IQ test is a carefully calibrated test. It's not a measurement you can throw a dart at like this.

    1) PISA is a g loaded test that can be used to approximate IQ, 2) Population IQ is primarily driven by genetics. It just doesn’t add up.

    Sure it does if the difference is accounted for by what’s left over from “primarily genetic.”

    For example it’s known you need sufficient iodine to prevent retardation so if you take two populations that have identical genetic potential but only give one group enough iodine then the other group will be dumber…

    and iodine deficiency = mountains

    so unless fixed artificially a country that’s 80% mountains will have a lower average IQ than one that is 20% mountains even if the inhabitants are identical genetically.

    #

    And obviously, you have black Americans outscoring some white populations like Moldovans and Montenegrians. Why would that be the case if this test could be used as a reliable estimate of g?

    Easily.

    Say the standard eurowhite potential was 100 but some populations tucked away in the mountains missed a particular invasion wave which brought +5 IQ genes so their potential was 95 average IQ and then you knock off 5pts for iodine deficiency and 5pts for inbreeding depression for an average IQ of 85

    while say black american potential was 85 with good iodine intake and no inbreeding depression so they’re also 85

    #

    Given the Finns and the East Asian scores I’d guess the explanation for the Estonia / Lithuania thing is the Estonians got a dose of East Asian genes.

    #

    Either way, I don’t think it makes sense for people to be deriving IQ scores from these.

    I think it makes perfect sense for them to be used as a first approximation but it makes even more sense to look for odd disparities as they will provide clues to those factors outside the genetic (or differently genetic).

  64. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    If you think PISA scores correlate so well with IQ that they might as well be equivalent to it, then why the hell do immigrant groups in Europe far far exceed those in their homeland despite not being selected for intelligence (in fact, you might argue many are selected for stupidity)?
    Don't you think there are huge confounding variables that mediate this relationship, as opposed to the PISA test being some sort of IQ test?

    I saw a study on Ireland vs Britain once where the “urban” scores were the same and “rural” scores were the same (but substantially lower than urban)

    and yet with a large difference in overall average IQ

    (cos different percentage of urban/rural).

    1) I think inbreeding depression is normal in long established rural populations even without deliberate close cousin marriage and when they move to the city (in their own or another country) and inter marry within the same ethnic group (but not from their own village) then they lose the inbreeding depression. Same happens with height imo.

    I used to work in an environment with lots of little ethnic enclaves and you’d see it all the time: short, semi-dumb rural village parents with taller, less dumb kids.)

    2) iodine

  65. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @low status male
    This says that White Americans are just about the smartest Whites on Earth. Could that be right?

    The white scores will include immigrant kids and the percentage of non-white kids in the schools is much higher than the percentage in the population: 15% in the population might be 30% in the schools.

    Also the percentage from different source populations will vary so one country might have 50% bright and 50% dumb while another has 20% smart and 80% dumb.

    • Replies: @anon

    Also the percentage from different source populations will vary so one country might have 50% bright and 50% dumb while another has 20% smart and 80% dumb.
     
    Not sure that was clear - I mean one country might have 50% smart immigrants and 50% dumb while another might have 20% smart immigrants and 80% dumb.
  66. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @smg
    Asian Americas score 1 point lower than white Americans?

    Asia is not sending us their best. They've gotta go back.

    Asian Americas score 1 point lower than white Americans?

    Asia’s a big place.

    If Viet was 502 and Hong Kong 532 then if you had 50/50 of each the average would be 517

  67. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Clifford Brown
    Got to admit, it's looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it's natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Apparently, the Flynniest of the Flynn Effects Remains in Effect. I can't wait until some American Think Tank decides that learning Irish Gaelic is the secret to success for inner city Baltimore schools. We all know this very Vox article is in the works as we speak.

    The Oirish Space Program from Mission Control, Sligo soon will not be just a dream.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfz9O_mSY1U

    Got to admit, it’s looking like the Irish Master Race is really coming into it’s natural own as it has surpassed European false contenders to the throne such as those perennial lightweights Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Denmark.

    Enjoy it while it lasts. If it’s just the result of being slighter slower to replace their native population than those other countries then Ireland will still be joining the 3rd world just a few years later than them.

    ps for anyone interested spike milligan’s memoirs of winning ww2 are very funny

  68. @Andrei kuznetsov
    Not really . You can look in the full report in the page 252 Student performance in science, by immigrant background. Although its only for Science given the fact that Canada,Slovenia, Germany,Netherlands,Switzerland,Belgium outscore white Americans in math with the immigrants included its safe to assume their native whites outscore us whites in general. So the US whites are probably 7th if you count all white countries and like 2nd/4th if you count the "major" ones (depends on your definition of major country)

    That sounds about right. America has a VERY diverse white population. And we are quite disparate, including a large number of rural whites compared to Europe. Still, America has such a large white population that it doesn’t really make much of a difference.

    Steve is right that America’s schools actually perform pretty well considering our demographics.

  69. @Trelane
    All cognitive tests are at least partially g loaded. Even Ms. Turnipseed's 4th grade social studies quiz on the Pilgrim's Thanksgiving is probably at least 40% g loaded. It's not a question of whether a test is g loaded it's a question how much it is g loaded.

    The PISA is probably about 65-75% g loaded. If it's not, then the PISA is probably an inappropriate test instrument for the applicable students it's administered to (either too difficult or too easy).

    I agree that PISA and all scholastic tests are g loaded. However, tests not designed as IQ tests will not be good for international comparisons if the non-g loading dominates. Especially if we are talking about comparing European and Asian groups whose national averages should all be fairly close to each other.

  70. @CapitalistRoader
    On a trip to Singapore in the early-aughts I once had a Morlock taxi driver, after finding out that I was an American, volunteer that he thought President Bush should be killed. This was shortly after 9/11 and there was absolutely no context for the statement. He just blurted it out.

    A successful racially and ethnically diverse country probably needs iron-handed authoritarianism to keep the peace. Like Singapore. Or Tito's Yugoslavia. Low trust societies need a huge police presence.

    That seems to be the model that works best.

  71. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    The white scores will include immigrant kids and the percentage of non-white kids in the schools is much higher than the percentage in the population: 15% in the population might be 30% in the schools.

    Also the percentage from different source populations will vary so one country might have 50% bright and 50% dumb while another has 20% smart and 80% dumb.

    Also the percentage from different source populations will vary so one country might have 50% bright and 50% dumb while another has 20% smart and 80% dumb.

    Not sure that was clear – I mean one country might have 50% smart immigrants and 50% dumb while another might have 20% smart immigrants and 80% dumb.

  72. @Tacitus2016
    Can't see scores for Asian-Australians or White-Australians but there are scores for 'Indigenous'-Australians - ie Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders. They don't do well.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page77

    Immigrant Background - could be Asian, could be Arabs or Africans.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf#page88

    Entire file.

    https://www.acer.edu.au/files/PISA-First-Look.pdf

    East Asians have done very well in past.

    https://johnjerrim.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/australia_asia_paper.pdf

    Australians with Indigenous backgrounds scored 437 in science, 435 in reading, and 427 in math with an average score of 433. Black Americans scored 433 in science, 443 in reading, and 419 in math with an average score of 432.

    I want to congratulate Portugal for beating the OECD average and the US. In 2012, it was reported that only 28% of the population over the age of 30 had a high school diploma. Kids during Franco’s era only had to go to school for three years. Portugal also spends less per student than the OECD average and the US.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150062919/lack-of-graduates-hampers-portugals-recovery

    • Replies: @Deplorable Carl
    Like France, Australia doesn't see race... except for two categories: Indigenous (Either Aborigines or the smarter Torres Straight Islanders) and Non-Indigenous (every other race in the world).

    Mean for Australia:
    Aborigines & Torres Straight Islanders: 433
    Immigrants: 500.66
    Australian Born: 500.66
    Non-Indigenous: 505.33
    Speaks English at Home: 506
    1st Generation Immigrants: 514

    I'd love to see the data for the combination: Non-Indigenous & speaks English & Australian born but they don't show that.

    http://research.acer.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=ozpisa
  73. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    Balts (linguistic not geographic) might as well be Slavic. They're very close to them.
    And Lithuania has a significantly lower IQ than the West European norm. And it shows with their crime rates in the diaspora.

    Balts (linguistic not geographic) might as well be Slavic

    .

    You’ll see in the genetic map posted above that Balts have a lot of N (a gene that probably was retained from the population of the Finno Ugric Livs who were assimilated by the incoming Indo European Balts), while Slavs (with the exception of northern Russians) have very little N.
    Linguistically, yes, there absolutely are similarities (although Baltic – Slavic languages are not mutually intelligible, the way various Slavic languages are among themselves). There are many theories about the common ancestral language, Lithuanian being one of the most archaic IE languages (linguists debate whether Slavic derived from Baltic and vice versa).

  74. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Yak-15
    Perhaps the non-English speaking Malays (the poors) were excluded from testing. Perhaps backwards peasants were also given the same treatment in the other East Asian nations.

    It's still hard to reconcile the relative lack of economic success of Asia given these high scores. Perhaps the yoke of communism and the crushing wheel of corruption prevents great success. Time will tell.

    It’s still hard to reconcile the relative lack of economic success of Asia given these high scores

    Why? The high-scoring nations in PISA tend to be wealthy and well-off. There are some exceptions, like Vietnam, but they exclude 51% of their sample. Nevertheless, for a developing country, Vietnam does really well.

  75. @Triumph104
    Australians with Indigenous backgrounds scored 437 in science, 435 in reading, and 427 in math with an average score of 433. Black Americans scored 433 in science, 443 in reading, and 419 in math with an average score of 432.

    I want to congratulate Portugal for beating the OECD average and the US. In 2012, it was reported that only 28% of the population over the age of 30 had a high school diploma. Kids during Franco's era only had to go to school for three years. Portugal also spends less per student than the OECD average and the US.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/09/150062919/lack-of-graduates-hampers-portugals-recovery

    Like France, Australia doesn’t see race… except for two categories: Indigenous (Either Aborigines or the smarter Torres Straight Islanders) and Non-Indigenous (every other race in the world).

    Mean for Australia:
    Aborigines & Torres Straight Islanders: 433
    Immigrants: 500.66
    Australian Born: 500.66
    Non-Indigenous: 505.33
    Speaks English at Home: 506
    1st Generation Immigrants: 514

    I’d love to see the data for the combination: Non-Indigenous & speaks English & Australian born but they don’t show that.

    http://research.acer.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=ozpisa

  76. Perhaps it would be useful to examine some previous PISA questions to see how intelligence loaded this test can be:

    http://www.oecd.org/pisa/38709385.pdf

    I am curious to see what the science questions for this year were but I can’t imagine it being very useful for intelligence testing in case this is still the quality of questions being asked.

  77. @anon
    Meanwhile, in the little railway town of Hanau, Germany, a new large Mosque has just been built and opened, which is appearing to supercharge the community confidence of Muslim migrants:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8SAGl1MgUA

    How do you know they are migrants and not German born? If they indeed turn out to be German born and therefore not migrants, that makes you a liar. Worse, it makes you a liar concerning what are issues of life and death for many people trying to escape your despots in what were formally western client states.

    You are aware that in any of the Gulf countries, people behaving like this would summarily rounded up and made to disappear, and that therefore, this really isn’t an ethnic or religious issue at all?

    I live around Muslims and blacks and they are very proud of their culture and show it but don’t intimidate like this. Unlike the people in your video, they are mostly refugees.

  78. Puerto Ricans are much worse than Black Americans. No wonder every one is fleeing.

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