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For the first time in NCAA basketball tournament history, a #16 seed, U. of Maryland Baltimore County, beat a #1 seed, U. of Virginia, a convincing 74-54 drubbing. The #16 (lowest) seeded team had lost something like 132 times in a row to a regional top seed since the NCAA expanded to 64 teams in 1985.

By the way, back in 2000, the legendary social analyst La Griffe du Lion pointed out an effective program aimed at quality black students at UMBC.

Anyway, back to fun and games.

Why did #16 teams never win before, while #15 teams had beaten #2 teams 8 ties. Some was bad luck.

But it was back when they had a 64 team field, the #16 seeds in the 4 regions tended to be bad teams that the NCAA had to take for some contractual reason: e.g., a team that went 11-16 but got lucky and won their crummy conference’s tournament. (The NCAA often has a contract obligating it to take at least one team from each conference, and there are some very obscure conferences out there.) So there was a big fall off in quality from #15 to #16 seeds. The #15s were teams the NCAA thought had a little something on the ball, but the #16s were in the tournament for fluke reasons. So it wasn’t too rare for a #15 to beat a #2, but #16s only came close to beating #1s a few times. (E.g., Princeton played a slow-down game to give itself better odds of getting lucky.)

But then they expanded the tournament to 68 teams and now have the 8 lowest seeded teams playoff for the 4 #16 spots, so #16s are probably better these days than, say, in the 1980s. Now the #16s are all teams that managed to win a game earlier this week, so they are likely healthier and playing better than #16s in the past.

 
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  1. OT, the McCabe firing is staggering. His full statement is a fascinating read. This was a coup attempt and the players are getting burned. It’s not just Trump’s men who are behind it either. The recommendation to fire him came from an Obama era appointee.

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write “your” for “you are?” Imagine posting a comment quoted is every newspaper in America, and likely in future histories of the age, where you say “prevailed” instead of “privileged.” I bet McCabe winces at that almost as much as at loosing his pension.

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    >I bet McCabe winces at that almost as much as at loosing his pension.

    Yeah, it must suck. But, his wife is a pediatrician and he probably can secure a high paying job at some law firm easily (assuming he is not caught up in some new investigation). And he might even make a few millions from a book bashing Trump & "the Russians."

    He will be alright.
    , @ScarletNumber

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write “your” for “you are?”
     
    Almost as dumb as when you confuse "lose" and "loose".
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  2. UVA needs to set up a fall guy for the loss. Does UVA have any experience with fall guys with vaguely sinister names?

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    Does UVA have any experience with fall guys with vaguely sinister names?
     
    UVa might not have experience with fall guys, but they have experience for having a top-ranked team getting knocked off by a mouse. Though this did not happen in the NCAA tournament, the 1982 UVa Cavaliers were the top-ranked team in the nation at the time when they lost to Chaminade of Hawaii. The UVa team featured the famous Ralph Sampson

    Chaminade was no event a NCAA school (division 1, 2 or 3). They were an NAIA school.

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  3. Steve,

    You do not know that affirmative action plays a major role even in NCAA basketball seeding. The play-ins are not the 8 lowest ranked teams for the four #16 seeds. Two of the play in games are that. The other two are games between teams that are playing to be seeded #11.

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  4. I still remember as a kid when the Syracuse Orangemen lost in 1991 to the Richmond Spiders. The Orangemen hadnt changed their name to the Syracuse Orange yet.

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    Quiet, you. It's okay to unperson Protestant Irishmen if it means pandering to feminazis. Review your Pecking Order of Pokemon Points.

    Oh, and, uh...sports ball! Negroes with low intelligence jumping around. Or... something.

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  5. WHO CARES? OF THE FIVE BRACKETS I MADE THEYRE ALL BUSTED!

    Seriously though congrats to UMBC or w/e with the dog mascot for taking down the Cavs

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  6. Steve, you’re right that the selection process for #16 seeds has improved recently, but I think there are more very good players spread out across the college basketball landscape than in decades past, and more of them are landing at obscure schools like UMBC.

    Consider UMBC star Jairus Lyles: he didn’t make it at VCU, transferred for one semester to Robert Morris, and quit there.

    In decades past, before the widespread use of social media to create highlight tapes, that probably would have been the end of his college basketball career.

    But Lyles was a terrific guard (point guard is the most important position on the floor), and he thrived in three seasons at UMBC.

    I bet the obstacles to getting onto a college basketball roster were harder in the past, and more potentially great players were weeded out before they could show their skills.

    Now, America is so good at getting just about any young person who shows any promise at all in anything into school, that more of those kids – including those whose skill is basketball – are winding up in college.

    Anyway, Jairus Lyles has an interesting genetic line: his father played seven seasons in the NFL.

    So, how does a #16 seed pull the upset?

    Get a genetically elite athlete to play guard, and hope he has the night of his life.

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  7. See me when they get to the tourney of eight. How do you see Tiger Woods, Steve?

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  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Actually only two of the 16 seeds had to win play-in games; the other two play-in games involved at-large teams that weren’t automatically qualified for winning their conference tournament. But yes, this weeds out the two worst would-be 16 seeds, and makes the 1-16 games as well as the 2-15 games more difficult for the higher seeds.

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  9. In this particular case it was an off shooting night for Virginia combined with the best player from UMBC making just about every shot he took. Virginia’s style offensively has been very deliberate but when shots aren’t falling for them it makes it hard for them to come from behind.

    Another factor here may have been poor seeding by the selection committee. A couple of the 14 and 15 seeds turned in really bad performances, but they play in conferences that have historically been better than the one UMBC comes from. If Virginia would have played Cal State Fullerton they would have won.

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  10. The only problem with that theory is UMBC was not in the “First Four” playing to get into the tournament.

    Upsets in today’s tournament, because they rely so heavily on statistics to seed the thing, are the result of match-ups. The roster and style of play of UMBC matched up perfectly against the roster and style of play of Virginia. That and Virginia went cold on offense. They had plenty of chances to score, but some nights the shots don;’t fall.

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  11. Not true about all of the play-in teams being 16 seeds. For example, in this year’s tournament, Syracuse was a play-in, defeating Arizona State, and St. Bonaventure defeated UCLA in another play-in game. Only two of the play-in games featured 16 seeds.

    The NCAA doesn’t seed at-large teams below I believe 11, reserving the lower spots for automatic qualifiers from weak conferences. Thus this year’s two play-in games for 11th seeded spots.

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  12. “But it was back when they had a 64 team field, the #16 seeds in the 4 regions tended to be bad teams that the NCAA had to take for some contractual reason: e.g., a team that went 11-16 but got lucky and won their crummy conference’s tournament. (The NCAA often has a contract obligating it to take at least one team from each conference, and there are some very obscure conferences out there.)”

    Wouldn’t this explanation really require a statistical or organizational oddity to be true? You seem to be saying that 15 out of 16 teams, in 4 regions, every year for 32 years, are selected based on merit (i.e. independent of conference organization and contractual obligations of all 4 regions, 15 teams are selected based on their actual strength), but the 16th, in each instance, is based on an organizational fluke (it happens that all 4 regions are organized such that the 16th pick happens to be a contratually obligated lousy team rather than a merited team). Wouldn’t it be more likely that some years, in some regions, 14 teams are merit picks, and 2 are contractually lousy, and other years, 16 warrant merit-based picks-all conferences happen to have solid championship teams that year- and sometimes its 15-1, and so on).

    I suppose it could be coincidentally true that in each region, there is exactly one lousy conference champion with a contract to attend the tournament-and presumably the skill level of school teams varies so that conference changes from year to year. But it would be a remarkable coincidence.

    The explanation may be simpler: we’re not talking about the 16 team beating the 1 team-that’s a function of the organization of the tournament. What we’re really talking about, at the national level, is a

    61 team beating a 4 team (the best of the bottom 4 beating the worst of the top 4). This is unlikely to occur (maybe 1 in 100, or 1 in 132, times).

    What is far more likely is the 15 beating the number 2 team (which, as you say, happens), which at the national level is

    57th team (best of the 2nd to bottom 4) beating an 8 team (worst of the second to top 4).

    Perhaps a standard old statistically normal distribution of talent explains the difference.

    joe

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  13. First, Jackie and Haven Monahan. Now this?

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  14. Hey Steve, might want to double check that – the play-in initially worked as you described, but due to it feeling unfair for minor conference winners, it’s now between at large teams and the winners are seeded higher than 16. See this week’s St. Bonaventure vs. UCLA for an example.

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  15. UMBC did not have to play a game in Dayton, the play-in games have two 16 vs 16 matchups and two 11 vs 11 matchups. The two 16 seeds coming out of Dayton were Texas Southern and Radford.

    That said, the point stands that UMBC would have been a 15 seed in years past.

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  16. I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.

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    I feel bad for Haven Monahan. He has no chance to win the Goldman Sachs tournament pool now.
    , @enemy of earth
    I very much enjoyed watching this game last night. Was it wrong of me to be amused by the crying VA students and alums at the end of the game? Having passed on the whole university thing I have a hard time understanding the sentimental attachment people have with their schools.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.
     
    Console them with a Virginia Blue Devils jersey.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/476854613853753346/n3EugOJ__400x400.jpeg
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  17. All 4 16 seeds are not determined by play-in. This year, 2 were. One play-in was for an 11 seed, and another, I believe, for a 13.

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  18. @countenance
    I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.

    I feel bad for Haven Monahan. He has no chance to win the Goldman Sachs tournament pool now.

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  19. That’s what you get for allowing white supremacists to march. Let this be a lesson to all those who think we need to give Nazis and neoconfederates “free speech”

    Virginia also started three white boys. That tells you something right there.

    Don Jr divorced

    Patriots lose

    Mueller kicking rear end

    an undocumented American elected to office https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for-the-first-time-california-appoints-an-undocumented-immigrant-to-a-state-post/ar-BBKjjoK?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Russia getting sanctioned

    Brexit in shambles

    white nationalists being exposed

    racists at law schools getting the business

    demographic change going on apace

    Can you feel it? The walls closing in? Good bye white supremacists. ITS OVER

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    TD, slow down before you choke on your glee....the illegal immigrant was APPOINTED to a state post, not elected. Sorry, did that make your woody go down?
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  20. Steve, you are so observant in fields of your expertise that it is painful when you attempt to go beyond that.

    The NCAA isn’t contractually obligated to take any teams into the field. They choose to award a bid to all of the conference champions, but they could rescind that at any time.

    Also, UMBC didn’t play on Wednesday. The four lowest teams out of 68 playoff into the round of 64, while the two teams above them were placed there automatically. UMBC was the number 63 team.

    The reason there are 4 playoff games on Tuesday/Wednesday is that the four lowest “at large” teams also have to playoff into the round of 64. By coincidence two of those four were from the once mighty Pac 12 and they both lost to teams from upstate New York: UCLA to St Bonaventure and Arizona State to Syracuse.

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    Don’t forget Arizona got stomped by a Buffalo.
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  21. “But then they expanded the tournament to 68 teams and now have the 8 lowest seeded teams playoff for the 4 #16 spots,”

    Nope. 4 of them play for 16 seeds. Four play for 11 seeds. While the 16 seeds are the worst of the minor conferences, the 11 seeds are the worst of the major conferences (this year from the ACC, PAC-12, and Atlantic 10)

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  22. Steve, no there aren’t 8 teams competing for the last 4 spots. There were 6 this year. The other 2 play in games were for 11 seeds. Furthermore, UMBC was one of the 16 seeds that did not have to win a play in game. Your theory of 16 seeds is incorrect. In truth the cause of this historic upset is simply that the quality of 16 seeds has improved over time. The conference champion winners of these nowheresville conferences are superior teams to those in the past. Virginia was also unique in that it employed a Princeton style strategy of slowing the game down and allowing fewer possession, making it perhaps uniquely vulnerable to upset. You seem very knowledgeable about baseball, but perhaps you haven’t paid quite as close attention to college basketball

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  23. Don’t these annual wild upsets indicate that there’s a flaw in the game itself?

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  24. @countenance
    I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.

    I very much enjoyed watching this game last night. Was it wrong of me to be amused by the crying VA students and alums at the end of the game? Having passed on the whole university thing I have a hard time understanding the sentimental attachment people have with their schools.

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    I would rather pay for better food than eat Little Caesars for free.
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  26. OT: Existing Irish-Americans not liberal enough, we need new Varadkar-voting Irish immigrants.

    This lays bare the real driver behind liberal-left immigration cheerleading. It doesn’t matter where you come from as long as you’ll eventually vote D.

    http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/16/why-irish-america-is-not-evergreen/

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  27. Not all of the play-in games are for the 16th seed. Some are for the 11th seed for reasons I don’t understand.

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  28. I didn’t think my alma mater had a chance over TCU yesterday. I doubt Boeheim will get them past MSU, but oh boy, if he does, I’m looking forward to a March Syracuse/Duke matchup.

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  29. That’s not quite it but you’re on the right track. The four lowest rated automatic qualifying teams who received tournament bids by winning weak conferences played each other earlier this week to determine which two would become 16 seeds. However, two other teams were given 16 seeds without having to play a play-in game, including UMBC. The other two play-in games actually involved the last four at-large teams selected playing each other to become the last two number 11 seeds. The point being, you’re correct in that if the tournament had not been expanded from 65* teams to 68 about six years ago, UMBC would have been a 15 seed.

    *There had previously annually been one play-in game between the two lowest rated conference champions for the last 16 seed.

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  30. Is VDARE down for everyone, or just me?

    Have they fallen victim to the Thought Police, or just a DDOS attack from the Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police?

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    Dead for me
    , @Whiskey
    Vdare is down for me. I assume the thought police have ordered it removed.
    , @Robert Hume
    They were down for a day a couple days ago and then up yesterday with no remarks and now down again for me.
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  31. @Discordiax
    Is VDARE down for everyone, or just me?

    Have they fallen victim to the Thought Police, or just a DDOS attack from the Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police?

    Dead for me

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  32. @countenance
    I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.

    I feel a certain sense of schaedenfreude that people in Charlottesville, Virginia were crying last night.

    Console them with a Virginia Blue Devils jersey.

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  33. GW says:

    Your last paragraph isn’t 100% accurate. There are two play-in games featuring 16 seeds against each other but the other two play-in games feature the last four at large teams (normally seeded 11 or 12). But expanding to 68 has improved the quality of 16 seed.

    UMBC for instance avoided playing in this play-in game, so they were seen by the committee as being either the 5th or 6th worst team.

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    Most of Steve's post wasn't accurate, but he won't let my post correcting him out of moderation.

    UMBC was the 6th worst team in the field, according to the committee.
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  34. Thanks for making me look dumb. As someone who knows nothing about sports I read this, brought it up with my dad, and found out it was full of errors.

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  35. I’ve always said about slow down grind it out teams like Virginia, Wisconsin, Princeton, etc, is that they’re not good at basketball so much as they’re good at doing the things you can do to win games when you’re *not* good at basketball. Doing things like running a lot of clock, passing the ball around the perimeter until your opponent gets bored and misses a defensive rotation so you can either backdoor them or take a corner 3 you probably could have gotten just as easily with 15 seconds left on the shot clock as you could with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. On defense, you just put 3-4 guys standing under the basket waiting to take a charge when someone tries to drive for a layup. These tactics are gimmicks that wouldn’t work in the NBA because of the shorter shot clock and defensive 3 seconds rule.

    Syracuse’s gimmick is that they find a bunch of 7 foot guys with 7’4 wingspans without regard to talent (or academics, Dejuan Coleman and Fab Melo I’m looking in your direction) and play 2-3 zone, a defense the NBA outlawed. Like Virginia its only a matter of time until they have a night where they go 3-21 from 3 while their opponent inexplicably shoots over 50%. Thanks to the influence of Steph Curry and the Warriors, a lot more guys at every level are getting better at hitting 3s. I hope this finally ends the era of the slow down grind it out team once and for all.

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    Tony Bennett learned a lot of these tactics from his father Dick Bennett, a former University of Wisconsin basketball coach who he played under and later coached under.

    I remember Wisconsin Badgers basketball games in the late 90s under the elder coach Bennett who routinely won games scoring less than 50 points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bennett_(basketball)
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  36. Steve,

    What happens to the Black beneficiaries at UMBC described by La Griffe du Lion when they go out into the Real World and the coddling has to stop?

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    Are you being joking? The coddling of "the Black beneficiaries at UMBC" will not stop. Large corporations need people of color. And these are as good as, if not better, than most POC they are going to find.
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  37. @Discordiax
    Is VDARE down for everyone, or just me?

    Have they fallen victim to the Thought Police, or just a DDOS attack from the Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police?

    Vdare is down for me. I assume the thought police have ordered it removed.

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  38. Actually, four also rans from major conferences play for two of the #11 seeds and 4 extremely unlikely small school teams play for two of the #16 seeds. UMBC was not one of them. Conference champions always get the automatic bid in the regular seeding. Now that virtually every conference has an end of the season tournament, teams with losing records regularly get into the NCAAs because of a few lucky games not indicative of their real strength.

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  39. @GW
    Your last paragraph isn’t 100% accurate. There are two play-in games featuring 16 seeds against each other but the other two play-in games feature the last four at large teams (normally seeded 11 or 12). But expanding to 68 has improved the quality of 16 seed.

    UMBC for instance avoided playing in this play-in game, so they were seen by the committee as being either the 5th or 6th worst team.

    Most of Steve’s post wasn’t accurate, but he won’t let my post correcting him out of moderation.

    UMBC was the 6th worst team in the field, according to the committee.

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  40. Not sure 16 seeds are generally better than they used to be. Most of the previous close calls were in the 80s and 90s. Princeton lost by 1 to Georgetown in 1989.

    UMBC nailed a bunch of threes to go up double digits. UVA never gets down double digits and they play a slow down game, so they basically had no response.

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  41. That last part isn’t quite right. The play-in games are split. Two of them are for #16, but two of them are for #11 seeds. The #16 seeds are the traditional small conference where at least one of them is 14-16 but won their conference tourney. The #11 play-in games are a different type of awful. They are major conference teams that were 16-16. Typically some big dog was hurt for a while, or they had a couple of big wins against great teams followed by losses to St. Mary’s of the woods, or they went on a tear late in the season going 8-1 , or some like Jim Boeheim of Syracuse, the coach knows everybody on the selection committee so they get a nod. An excuse by the big conference guys who run it to give their buddies a bonus or an mulligan on a bad year because it still counts as “making the tourney”.

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  42. This is just wrong. The four teams that play to get in are not the four weakest teams. They are the four weakest that did not qualify for automatic bids. The winners of those first two games — Syracuse and St. Bonaventure — became 11 seeds. Also, UMBC is exactly the sort of team you claim is least likely to beat a number one seed. They didn’t have a great record this season, but unexpectedly won their conference tournament.

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  43. OT. Anyone know what this St. Patrick’s Day google doodle is supposed to mean? Am I right to be suspicious there’s a hidden meaning?

    https://g.co/doodle/nkds3y

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    It spells out GOOGLE in primitive Irish stone language.
    , @J.Ross
    It's Ogham, a massively inconvenient and elitist writing system in which letters are betokenned by numbers of cuts into rock (and by the angle of the cut, and whether it is only on one side, etc). Imagine reading a newspaper of that.
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  44. @Discordiax
    Is VDARE down for everyone, or just me?

    Have they fallen victim to the Thought Police, or just a DDOS attack from the Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police?

    They were down for a day a couple days ago and then up yesterday with no remarks and now down again for me.

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  45. @Malcolm X-Lax
    OT. Anyone know what this St. Patrick's Day google doodle is supposed to mean? Am I right to be suspicious there's a hidden meaning?

    https://g.co/doodle/nkds3y

    It spells out GOOGLE in primitive Irish stone language.

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    *Gaughlain
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    You'd think as a Sean I'd have known this. LOL. Actually I suspected it was a critique of Irish Americans as sheep supporting the building of walls!
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  46. This is kind of a d-bag comment but it’s kind of hilarious that Malcolm Gladwell got eviacerated on a sports related topic by the same guy that cobbled together this half-right at best post.

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  47. OT: But remember when people would always go ‘They’ll eventually go after St Patrick’s day’ and it seemed like a silly strawman. Well, the blue ticks are actually doing it. Which I find odd since St Patrick’s Day has been thoroughly scrubbed of any ethnic celebrations by this stage.

    Swear to god this is a real Tweet, the mentioning of a ‘thread’ is real too. She writes for Jacobin and has a history PhD. So many stereotypes in one Twitter feed. Though she does seem to have enough dignity to not have actually paid for a blue tick.

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    https://twitter.com/nsvarner/status/975090344516755456

    Sounds a lot like contemporary Mexican and East Asian immigrants. Immigrants coming with optimism to what is for them a novel environment with more resources or enjoying a competitive edge always disparage the native underclass in an attempt to prove their necessity or value despite often coming from the equivalent back home and being just as direction-less and depressed in their home environment.

    Also sounds a lot like DuBois was maybe just a bit miffed at the great wave immigrants cutting newly emancipated blacks off at the legs in the big cities. The author will, no doubt, draw no inferences about the current day. It's weird how they worship and fetishise blacks but then desire an unending flow of cheap labour to ethnically displace them and ensure there will never be a boom time for them to be able to rise out of the mire of the ghetto. It really is religious in character. The essential but and lesson she wants to take from this is Irish-Americans should feel guilty therefore should support more immigration, not what is best for African-Americans in 2018.
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  48. An upset, yes. But still not as shocking as NC State beating Houston for the championship back in 83.

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  49. @Steve Sailer
    It spells out GOOGLE in primitive Irish stone language.

    *Gaughlain

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  50. @Steve Sailer
    It spells out GOOGLE in primitive Irish stone language.

    You’d think as a Sean I’d have known this. LOL. Actually I suspected it was a critique of Irish Americans as sheep supporting the building of walls!

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  51. @Hodag
    UVA needs to set up a fall guy for the loss. Does UVA have any experience with fall guys with vaguely sinister names?

    Does UVA have any experience with fall guys with vaguely sinister names?

    UVa might not have experience with fall guys, but they have experience for having a top-ranked team getting knocked off by a mouse. Though this did not happen in the NCAA tournament, the 1982 UVa Cavaliers were the top-ranked team in the nation at the time when they lost to Chaminade of Hawaii. The UVa team featured the famous Ralph Sampson

    Chaminade was no event a NCAA school (division 1, 2 or 3). They were an NAIA school.

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  52. @Tiny Duck
    That's what you get for allowing white supremacists to march. Let this be a lesson to all those who think we need to give Nazis and neoconfederates "free speech"

    Virginia also started three white boys. That tells you something right there.

    Don Jr divorced

    Patriots lose

    Mueller kicking rear end

    an undocumented American elected to office https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for-the-first-time-california-appoints-an-undocumented-immigrant-to-a-state-post/ar-BBKjjoK?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Russia getting sanctioned

    Brexit in shambles

    white nationalists being exposed

    racists at law schools getting the business

    demographic change going on apace

    Can you feel it? The walls closing in? Good bye white supremacists. ITS OVER

    TD, slow down before you choke on your glee….the illegal immigrant was APPOINTED to a state post, not elected. Sorry, did that make your woody go down?

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  53. @Altai
    OT: But remember when people would always go 'They'll eventually go after St Patrick's day' and it seemed like a silly strawman. Well, the blue ticks are actually doing it. Which I find odd since St Patrick's Day has been thoroughly scrubbed of any ethnic celebrations by this stage.

    https://twitter.com/nsvarner/status/975088824547033088

    Swear to god this is a real Tweet, the mentioning of a 'thread' is real too. She writes for Jacobin and has a history PhD. So many stereotypes in one Twitter feed. Though she does seem to have enough dignity to not have actually paid for a blue tick.

    Sounds a lot like contemporary Mexican and East Asian immigrants. Immigrants coming with optimism to what is for them a novel environment with more resources or enjoying a competitive edge always disparage the native underclass in an attempt to prove their necessity or value despite often coming from the equivalent back home and being just as direction-less and depressed in their home environment.

    Also sounds a lot like DuBois was maybe just a bit miffed at the great wave immigrants cutting newly emancipated blacks off at the legs in the big cities. The author will, no doubt, draw no inferences about the current day. It’s weird how they worship and fetishise blacks but then desire an unending flow of cheap labour to ethnically displace them and ensure there will never be a boom time for them to be able to rise out of the mire of the ghetto. It really is religious in character. The essential but and lesson she wants to take from this is Irish-Americans should feel guilty therefore should support more immigration, not what is best for African-Americans in 2018.

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  54. Hey – did anyone realize that half of the First Four games involve at-large team, not 16 seeds?

    Seriously, though, after all the corrections above, I am surprised that Steve has not edited the post yet. Also, his reasoning was kind of garbled to begin with. The 15 seeds were (and are) almost always automatic qualifiers from low-ranked conferences as well.

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  55. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/littlecaesars/status/974858912745902080

    I would rather pay for better food than eat Little Caesars for free.

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  56. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Also worth noting about the loss is that Virginia lost its best athlete with a broken wrist a couple of days before the tournament, and he was basically the only guy on the roster both big and athletic enough to reliably finish in traffic at the rim while also being important in terms of being a fourth reliable perimeter defender who can help them guard smallball teams. Also Virginia relies heavily on its defensive system, which requires a lot of coordination and discipline, and they had an uncharacteristic number of breakdowns in the second half when they were forced to run unfamiliar lineups.

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  57. Jeez, all the white guys here still spending cycles on this celebration of moronic black guys, 95% of whom have absolutely no business anywhere near a university. (Basketball was my sport, but i haven’t paid a lick of attention to it in 20+ years and life is still good–better, in fact.)

    Free yourself. Play with your kids. Read something interesting. Fix something on the house. Shoot a round of golf. Enjoy your wife–best of all, young guys, knock her up again.

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  58. @Barnard
    I would rather pay for better food than eat Little Caesars for free.

    They manage to make it look distinctly unappetizing in the ad, which is remarkable.

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  59. @David
    OT, the McCabe firing is staggering. His full statement is a fascinating read. This was a coup attempt and the players are getting burned. It's not just Trump's men who are behind it either. The recommendation to fire him came from an Obama era appointee.

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write "your" for "you are?" Imagine posting a comment quoted is every newspaper in America, and likely in future histories of the age, where you say "prevailed" instead of "privileged." I bet McCabe winces at that almost as much as at loosing his pension.

    >I bet McCabe winces at that almost as much as at loosing his pension.

    Yeah, it must suck. But, his wife is a pediatrician and he probably can secure a high paying job at some law firm easily (assuming he is not caught up in some new investigation). And he might even make a few millions from a book bashing Trump & “the Russians.”

    He will be alright.

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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mentioned to my friend in Calif that everyone here in Virginia is a bit depressed over the game. But then I corrected myself and said half are so resentful of “The University” that they’re not sad at all. Schadenfreude and that. (Meaning, that the Univ is seen as elite and exclusive and not everyone’s kids can get in–this infuriates many.) She said she was sorry it was only half, since Charlottesville sponsored those “Neo-Nazi riots” last year. (She didn’t mention the gang rapes…)

    She’s a high-powered atty in SF. Considers herself very well-informed. Because she consumes MSM propaganda every single day. This is why it doesn’t matter when we’re crowing about some obvious internal contradictions in MSM stories. They don’t have to get them right, they just have to pass along the major concepts, and 95% of people aren’t motivated to look any further.

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  61. @Malcolm X-Lax
    OT. Anyone know what this St. Patrick's Day google doodle is supposed to mean? Am I right to be suspicious there's a hidden meaning?

    https://g.co/doodle/nkds3y

    It’s Ogham, a massively inconvenient and elitist writing system in which letters are betokenned by numbers of cuts into rock (and by the angle of the cut, and whether it is only on one side, etc). Imagine reading a newspaper of that.

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    By Jove You've Got It!
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  62. UVA plays a technically sound brand of basketball but doesn’t have great athletes. Technically speaking,they totally broke down yesterday.

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  63. This actually isn’t the first time a 16 has beaten a 1 in the tournament… though it is the first time it’s happened in the men’s tournament.

    Back in 1998, Harvard beat Stanford in the women’s tournament, at Stanford no less. However, there were extenuating circumstances—Harvard had the nation’s leading scorer, and Stanford had lost two of its biggest stars to ACL tears in the week before the tournament.

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  64. Just checking

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  65. @David
    OT, the McCabe firing is staggering. His full statement is a fascinating read. This was a coup attempt and the players are getting burned. It's not just Trump's men who are behind it either. The recommendation to fire him came from an Obama era appointee.

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write "your" for "you are?" Imagine posting a comment quoted is every newspaper in America, and likely in future histories of the age, where you say "prevailed" instead of "privileged." I bet McCabe winces at that almost as much as at loosing his pension.

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write “your” for “you are?”

    Almost as dumb as when you confuse “lose” and “loose”.

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    Exactly. I also mixed up is and in. But no one expects anything of me, so it's okay!
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  66. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    What happens to the Black beneficiaries at UMBC described by La Griffe du Lion when they go out into the Real World and the coddling has to stop?

    Are you being joking? The coddling of “the Black beneficiaries at UMBC” will not stop. Large corporations need people of color. And these are as good as, if not better, than most POC they are going to find.

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  67. @J.Ross
    It's Ogham, a massively inconvenient and elitist writing system in which letters are betokenned by numbers of cuts into rock (and by the angle of the cut, and whether it is only on one side, etc). Imagine reading a newspaper of that.

    J.Ross:

    By Jove You’ve Got It!

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  68. This thread (warning: basketball analytics nerd stuff) suggests that UMBC was playing exploiting a moneyball approach based on applying modern NBA concepts to a generally backward-looking college game:

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    He completely oversells his narrative. Like saying UNC overwhelms with talent or plays traditional double post, or only starts 2 guys who shoot over 36% from 3. Or that offensive rebounds are somehow old-fashioned and this spread the floor is new.

    One by one. UNC has zero top 10 recruits on the team. Zero first round or even 2nd round NBA picks on the roster. Not at all like Duke, Kentucky, Arizona. Or many lesser teams.

    UNC doesn’t play double post this year. Their starting center is really a small ball 4 who shoots over 40% from 3. Luke Maye. They don’t understand NBA advancements? Than why play 6’6” Theo Pinson in the pinch post as distributor a la Draymond Green with the Warriors.

    He uses 36% from 3 as a cherry-picked cutoff. Maye and Williams over that. Johnson and Berry right at 35%. And both well over 36% last year. So UNC spreads the floor with 4 shooters. And zero traditional low block back to the basket posts. And STILL is one of the leading rebounding teams. And rebounds still count. In fact despite this guy suggesting they don’t matter, OR% is still one of the advanced analytics 4 factors.

    UNC did use double post last two years. And won a title and went to the title game.

    Teams spread the floor even in pre-3 point days. Dean Smith, btw, kept all these tempo-based stats before these advanced stats became a thing. He pretty much invented a lot of the quant stuff. The first year of the 3 point line, 1987, his team took more 3s than his opponents and made a higher percentage.

    I get the advanced analytics. Threes even the playing field. Basketball is about trade offs. Some teams sacrifice offensive boards to get back on D. Some go for extra shots via causing turnovers and limiting their own.

    The guy in the twitter rant mentions Beilein at Michigan. His former assistant Jeff Neubauer coaches Fordham. Good coach. Got Eastern Kentucky to 2 NCAAs with 3 and d philosophy. The Fordham fans are upset his team can’t rebound. And his system eschews it. Of course there is a talent gap. But unfortunately his team can’t shoot. So the 3 scheme didn’t work this year.

    In any event, twitter guy is overselling his narrative. He’s to a degree right but basketball hasn’t been reinvented.

    , @Barnard
    I'm getting tired of reading attempted analytics explanations for fluke sports performances. Jarius Lyles shot 9-11 against Virginia and came out last night against Kansas St., who is not a better defensive team than Virginia and shot 4-15. An analytics nerd might not understand this, but everyone who has play basketball knows a good shooter has a great night and just can't miss every once in awhile. For Lyles, it came in the most important game of the year. They tend to regress to the mean after that, just like Lyles and his teammates did in their ugly performance against Kansas St.

    Just like nothing Florida Gulf Coast did when they made the Sweet 16 as a 15 seed in 2013 changed basketball, or even the trajectory of their program long term, nothing that UMBC did on Friday night is going to change anything in college basketball long term.
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  69. @ScarletNumber
    Steve, you are so observant in fields of your expertise that it is painful when you attempt to go beyond that.

    The NCAA isn't contractually obligated to take any teams into the field. They choose to award a bid to all of the conference champions, but they could rescind that at any time.

    Also, UMBC didn't play on Wednesday. The four lowest teams out of 68 playoff into the round of 64, while the two teams above them were placed there automatically. UMBC was the number 63 team.

    The reason there are 4 playoff games on Tuesday/Wednesday is that the four lowest "at large" teams also have to playoff into the round of 64. By coincidence two of those four were from the once mighty Pac 12 and they both lost to teams from upstate New York: UCLA to St Bonaventure and Arizona State to Syracuse.

    Don’t forget Arizona got stomped by a Buffalo.

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    Hhsii, Yes the Bulls stomped Arizona and then got NBAed by Kentucky. Calapari finds them, grooms them and loses them to the NBA after one season. He also makes an incredible $7 million per year.
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  70. @O'Really
    This thread (warning: basketball analytics nerd stuff) suggests that UMBC was playing exploiting a moneyball approach based on applying modern NBA concepts to a generally backward-looking college game:

    https://twitter.com/BKoremenos/status/975055489867202560

    He completely oversells his narrative. Like saying UNC overwhelms with talent or plays traditional double post, or only starts 2 guys who shoot over 36% from 3. Or that offensive rebounds are somehow old-fashioned and this spread the floor is new.

    One by one. UNC has zero top 10 recruits on the team. Zero first round or even 2nd round NBA picks on the roster. Not at all like Duke, Kentucky, Arizona. Or many lesser teams.

    UNC doesn’t play double post this year. Their starting center is really a small ball 4 who shoots over 40% from 3. Luke Maye. They don’t understand NBA advancements? Than why play 6’6” Theo Pinson in the pinch post as distributor a la Draymond Green with the Warriors.

    He uses 36% from 3 as a cherry-picked cutoff. Maye and Williams over that. Johnson and Berry right at 35%. And both well over 36% last year. So UNC spreads the floor with 4 shooters. And zero traditional low block back to the basket posts. And STILL is one of the leading rebounding teams. And rebounds still count. In fact despite this guy suggesting they don’t matter, OR% is still one of the advanced analytics 4 factors.

    UNC did use double post last two years. And won a title and went to the title game.

    Teams spread the floor even in pre-3 point days. Dean Smith, btw, kept all these tempo-based stats before these advanced stats became a thing. He pretty much invented a lot of the quant stuff. The first year of the 3 point line, 1987, his team took more 3s than his opponents and made a higher percentage.

    I get the advanced analytics. Threes even the playing field. Basketball is about trade offs. Some teams sacrifice offensive boards to get back on D. Some go for extra shots via causing turnovers and limiting their own.

    The guy in the twitter rant mentions Beilein at Michigan. His former assistant Jeff Neubauer coaches Fordham. Good coach. Got Eastern Kentucky to 2 NCAAs with 3 and d philosophy. The Fordham fans are upset his team can’t rebound. And his system eschews it. Of course there is a talent gap. But unfortunately his team can’t shoot. So the 3 scheme didn’t work this year.

    In any event, twitter guy is overselling his narrative. He’s to a degree right but basketball hasn’t been reinvented.

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  71. @Hhsiii
    Don’t forget Arizona got stomped by a Buffalo.

    Hhsii, Yes the Bulls stomped Arizona and then got NBAed by Kentucky. Calapari finds them, grooms them and loses them to the NBA after one season. He also makes an incredible $7 million per year.

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  73. @bicycle
    I've always said about slow down grind it out teams like Virginia, Wisconsin, Princeton, etc, is that they're not good at basketball so much as they're good at doing the things you can do to win games when you're *not* good at basketball. Doing things like running a lot of clock, passing the ball around the perimeter until your opponent gets bored and misses a defensive rotation so you can either backdoor them or take a corner 3 you probably could have gotten just as easily with 15 seconds left on the shot clock as you could with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. On defense, you just put 3-4 guys standing under the basket waiting to take a charge when someone tries to drive for a layup. These tactics are gimmicks that wouldn't work in the NBA because of the shorter shot clock and defensive 3 seconds rule.

    Syracuse's gimmick is that they find a bunch of 7 foot guys with 7'4 wingspans without regard to talent (or academics, Dejuan Coleman and Fab Melo I'm looking in your direction) and play 2-3 zone, a defense the NBA outlawed. Like Virginia its only a matter of time until they have a night where they go 3-21 from 3 while their opponent inexplicably shoots over 50%. Thanks to the influence of Steph Curry and the Warriors, a lot more guys at every level are getting better at hitting 3s. I hope this finally ends the era of the slow down grind it out team once and for all.

    Tony Bennett learned a lot of these tactics from his father Dick Bennett, a former University of Wisconsin basketball coach who he played under and later coached under.

    I remember Wisconsin Badgers basketball games in the late 90s under the elder coach Bennett who routinely won games scoring less than 50 points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Bennett_(basketball)

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  74. @O'Really
    This thread (warning: basketball analytics nerd stuff) suggests that UMBC was playing exploiting a moneyball approach based on applying modern NBA concepts to a generally backward-looking college game:

    https://twitter.com/BKoremenos/status/975055489867202560

    I’m getting tired of reading attempted analytics explanations for fluke sports performances. Jarius Lyles shot 9-11 against Virginia and came out last night against Kansas St., who is not a better defensive team than Virginia and shot 4-15. An analytics nerd might not understand this, but everyone who has play basketball knows a good shooter has a great night and just can’t miss every once in awhile. For Lyles, it came in the most important game of the year. They tend to regress to the mean after that, just like Lyles and his teammates did in their ugly performance against Kansas St.

    Just like nothing Florida Gulf Coast did when they made the Sweet 16 as a 15 seed in 2013 changed basketball, or even the trajectory of their program long term, nothing that UMBC did on Friday night is going to change anything in college basketball long term.

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  75. @ScarletNumber

    You know how dumb you feel when in a comment here you write “your” for “you are?”
     
    Almost as dumb as when you confuse "lose" and "loose".

    Exactly. I also mixed up is and in. But no one expects anything of me, so it’s okay!

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  76. @epochehusserl
    I still remember as a kid when the Syracuse Orangemen lost in 1991 to the Richmond Spiders. The Orangemen hadnt changed their name to the Syracuse Orange yet.

    Quiet, you. It’s okay to unperson Protestant Irishmen if it means pandering to feminazis. Review your Pecking Order of Pokemon Points.

    Oh, and, uh…sports ball! Negroes with low intelligence jumping around. Or… something.

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  77. I agree with your assessment of why the #16s had so much trouble. If I were running a conference, I would give the automatic NCAA tournament berth to the regular season winner instead of the often-flukey conference tournament winner. (Only the Ivy League did this, but even they now have a four-team tournament.) I suppose the publicity and revenue of the conference tournament outweigh the marginal reduction in the quality of the winner’s first-round NCAA tournament game.

    On a related note, why is it that the HBCU conferences — SWAC and MEAC — are the absolute worst in Division I? They have an even worse NCAA tournament record than other low conferences like the Ivy, NEC, Southland, and Big West. They are almost always #16 seeds and play-in participants, and most often have one of those 11-18 teams get in (though they have pulled off a couple of major upsets, like Hampton beating a 2 seed some years ago).

    When I saw the news about UMBC’s win, I was ready for headlines like, “Plucky HBCU shocks confederate home of racist rapists UVA in massive rebuke to Donald Trump.” Like the Black Panther of NCAA tournament games. Unfortunately UMBC is not a HBCU, sort of a semi-HBCU I guess. (It may not be a HBCU, but it is a CBCU, a Currently Black College or University.)

    UMBC needs to change its name to something less clumsy. They should go by “Baltimore,” the way that the former University of Nebraska-Omaha, Indiana University-Purdue University Fort Wayne, and University of Louisiana-Lafayette now officially call themselves “Omaha,” “Fort Wayne,” and “Louisiana,” respectively.

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