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With the media in an uproar over the threat posed by pseudonymous nobodies posting amusing pro wrestling videos on the Internet, meanwhile masked blackshirt leftists continue to rampage across the First World. From the Wall Street Journal:

G-20 Riot Leaves Trail of Destruction as German Officials Scramble for Answers

By Anton Troianovski and Andrea Thomas
Updated July 8, 2017 1:45 p.m. ET

HAMBURG—A riot that raged for hours just a mile from the Group of 20 meeting site left German officials struggling to explain Saturday how protests that had long been predicted spiraled out of control.

Only after SWAT teams, riot police and water cannons swept block by block were authorities able to end the overnight riots in the left-leaning Schanzenviertel neighborhood, a 20-minute walk from the venue where leaders of the world’s 20 largest economies continued their two-day meeting Saturday.

Stores were looted, barricades and cars set on fire, and officers attacked with rocks, bottles and slingshots, Hamburg police said. Authorities moved to quell the riots only after they had raged for hours, according to several shopkeepers in one of the hardest-hit streets.

A police spokesman said intelligence suggesting some of the roughly 1,500 rioters were preparing to pelt authorities from buildings with cobblestones and Molotov cocktails had caused the delay. “We had prepared for the G-20 summit to be attacked, not the people of Hamburg,” Hamburg police spokesman Timo Zill told ZDF public television.

The conservative opposition leader in the Hamburg legislature, André Trepoll, slammed center-left Mayor Olaf Scholz for going easy on left-wing extremism. The Bild tabloid, Germany’s top-selling paper, said both Mr. Scholz and German Chancellor Angela Merkel —who is up for re-election in September—bore responsibility for the events. …

It wasn’t immediately clear who the black-clad rioters were. They sometimes marched alongside peaceful demonstrators before attacking property or police. German Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière described them as “anarchists” from across Europe.

 
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  1. Like I said months ago: Potemkin Society that sucks at internal security.

    It gets better: they’re at the forefront of Sam Francis’ old “anarcho-tyranny.” “Germany Raids Homes of 36 People Accused of Hateful Postings Over Social Media,” New York Times, June 20, 2017, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html

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    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "Like I said months ago: Potemkin Society that sucks at internal security."

    Maybe besides personal sentiment, there's another reason they focus on things like internet posters.

    They're so ... autistic or something that they suck at any other kind of intelligence gathering. These guys aren't your grandfather's secret police. They have a unique set of skills, and it is more a case of finding a situation that they can use those skills, as opposed to universal utility.
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  2. They are usually needed to physically intimidate AfD voters, so the looting of downtown Hamburg is just collateral damage.

    This is the price the elites have to pay to keep Chairwoman Merkel’s Red Guards around. The only alternative would be to stop the cultural Marxist revolution.

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  3. “It wasn’t immediately clear who the black-clad rioters were”: then too few of them can have been arrested and interrogated.

    By the way, it must have been the Russians, mustn’t it?

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  4. Turns out, The annonymous message board commenter is mightier than the annonymous rock thrower. Or maybe just more annoying.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The burnt down downtown didn't cost our elites much, and the antifas are otherwise useful idiots in enforcing the PC orthodoxy, for example against AfD politicians, members and even voters. On the other hand, anonymous message board commenters might cost them eventually their power. So the latter must be shut down, while nothing in particular needs to be done with the former.
  5. @George
    Turns out, The annonymous message board commenter is mightier than the annonymous rock thrower. Or maybe just more annoying.

    The burnt down downtown didn’t cost our elites much, and the antifas are otherwise useful idiots in enforcing the PC orthodoxy, for example against AfD politicians, members and even voters. On the other hand, anonymous message board commenters might cost them eventually their power. So the latter must be shut down, while nothing in particular needs to be done with the former.

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    • Replies: @academic gossip
    Nice comment. The mise-en-scene is perfect for demonstrating how the traditional left/right polarity has been inverted.

    Some US reactions (and MSM self-parody):

    https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/883684040066379776

    https://twitter.com/voxday/status/884070609952624642

  6. @Thomas
    Like I said months ago: Potemkin Society that sucks at internal security.

    It gets better: they're at the forefront of Sam Francis' old "anarcho-tyranny." "Germany Raids Homes of 36 People Accused of Hateful Postings Over Social Media," New York Times, June 20, 2017, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-accused-of-hateful-postings-over-social-media.html

    “Like I said months ago: Potemkin Society that sucks at internal security.”

    Maybe besides personal sentiment, there’s another reason they focus on things like internet posters.

    They’re so … autistic or something that they suck at any other kind of intelligence gathering. These guys aren’t your grandfather’s secret police. They have a unique set of skills, and it is more a case of finding a situation that they can use those skills, as opposed to universal utility.

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  7. If we are referring to CNN in particular rather than nebulously defined “liberals” in general, the main point is to send this message: You do not cross the Mob.

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  8. So busy reading and prosecuting AfD hate speech on the interwebs that they didn’t have time to follow the organising of the Antifa for the Hamburg. Plus, who would want to prosecute her own shock troops?

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  9. The most incredible thing was Merkel justifying the the riots as free speech! This after hiring ex-Stasi agent Anetta Kahane to oversee the prosecution of “xenophobic” Facebook commenters.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/17/german-govt-hires-ex-stasi-agent-patrol-facebook-xenophobic-comments/

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The most incredible thing was Merkel justifying the the riots as free speech! This after hiring ex-Stasi agent Anetta Kahane to oversee the prosecution of “xenophobic” Facebook commenters.
     
    That in itself ought to be a national scandal.

    It would also be interesting to see Mrs. Merkel's Stasi file.
  10. Imagine the excitement in the US sphere media if those riots had happened in Russia!

    Banner headlines, 24 hour rolling tv-coverage, excited quotes from “freedom fighters” announcing the imminent end of the tyranny, senior US sphere politicians and functionaries declaring their allegiance to the protesters and calling for them to “hang in there to the end”.

    And of course there would be US State Dept and CIA operatives doing their best to support and assist the rioters, with black budget funds deployed to provide propaganda support for them, including the fabrication of “atrocities” and smearing of government loyalists, police, etc.

    It’s a darned good job for Germany that Russia doesn’t interfere like the US does.

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  11. According to Wikipedia (“Poverty in Germany”), in 1965 only one in 75 German children lived on welfare. In 2007, one in 6 did. We all thought of Germany as a white, middle-class, prosperous society. It used to be so, but it isn’t true anymore. Some mix of Brazil and the Middle East is Germany’s future, and the Germans know it (except Merkel and Schäuble). Millions of Germans work for 5€ an hour.

    Germany is a society whose majority is becoming noticeably poorer each year and, shall I say, less European in every respect. It’s no surprise that such a society is also becoming violent. The 1,000 Black Bloc militants in Hamburg wouldn’t last five minutes if the 100,000 seemingly peaceful demonstrators didn’t secretly sympathize with them.

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  12. Lauren Southern and team get attacked by antifas – and a mainstream journo from “liberal” weekly ZEIT directs the hunt via Twitter.
    Depressing what has become of Germany in the last few years.

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  13. I presume these are the same forces that rioted against globalism in Seattle a few years back. What is their relationship to the so-called Antifas who are rioting against Trump’s liberal nationalism? If they are against globalism and the nation state, what does that leave? International communism? Marxist-Lenninist anarchism? Or just plain old-fashioned nihilism?

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    These groups call themselves lots of things depending on situation(what they're protesting against) but antifa is as correct as it gets. Anarchist is also quite right. They're not communists per se. They usually lead an 'alternative' lifestyle too.
    , @Anonym
    Someone's footing their bills, that much I am sure of. Most likely Soros.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/soros-funded-militant-group-claims-german-contingent-at-g20-protests/
    , @James N. Kennett
    They are mostly people who enjoy throwing rocks and petrol bombs at the police. Any excuse will do. It helps them if well-meaning people provide a large crowd of "peaceful" demonstrators. It helps even more if there are "fascists" or other unpersons as targets beyond the police lines.
  14. Well, maybe some old-fashined self-protection (dissed as “vigilantism”) as was implemented in the 2011-08 UK riots would help.

    As I recall, the “communities” that implemented self-protection in the UK were strongly Pakistani/Hindu – protecting against The Excited Ones of both the coloured and whitey sort. Having economic skin in the game (i.e. your shop) is strong motivator. Of course, the EDL also piled in. (The BlackBerry was a big factor in flash mob pulling)

    ‘It’s not vigilantism, it was self-defence’: how communities stood up to rioters

    Watching six-year old BBC stuff is fun and reference-building:

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    I'm not sure about Pakistani/Hindu, but Punjabi Sikhs in Southall did take a stand and defend themselves, very visibly.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024358-0D5EFEA800000578-806_964x632.jpg
    , @Lurker

    protecting against The Excited Ones of both the coloured and whitey sort.
     
    Very much the former rather than the later. The standard libtard line is that because some whites joined in it was therefore a truly multiracial affair. It mostly wasn't and to the degree it was at all that was only in the tail end once scumbags of all races realised the police didn't have a pair.

    Even my local trash started acting up at one point, not helped many local police having being sent into London to watch the looting. We could see the smoke from London fires from our town.

    Of course, the EDL also piled in.
     
    What are you implying there?
  15. Racists do more harm than antifa. Antics is just defending the oppressed against the oppressors.

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    • Replies: @German_reader

    Antics is just defending the oppressed against the oppressors.
     
    In general I think your troll act has become somewhat tiresome, but I have to admit, occasionally I'm still amused by the intentional mistakes (the one about "Africa was faked by white men" was also quite funny).
  16. This recalls Bloom’s Closing of the American Mind. Terrorists (of the left-wing variety) are OK, because they care.

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  17. Is “anarchists” and “anti-fascists” the new code word like “youths?”

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  18. There is now on TV here in California a commercial for razor blades in which a frustrated razor customer is shot with a dart gun and immediately falls to the ground. I occasionally watch a nature show in which the tiny woman veterinarian shoots bears and musk ox’s with a tranquilizer dart gun. This brings them quickly under control.

    Almost all jurisdictions disallow protestors to mask their faces. But no one ever seems to do much about it, and so we have black masked protestors breaking windows and starting fires.

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart? I’m trying to be moderate and reasonable here. I might feel like having the cops fire live ammunition but I’m trying to be restrained and civilized. Of course there would be some risk to the masked protestors – dosage I understand can be tricky. An occasional protestor would probably die by mistake. But normally the protestors would simply drop unconscious and be hauled away to the pokey.

    In Victorian England they read the riot act to mobsters and then dispersed the crowd with truncheons. I favor a more modern and moderate approach. Announce on a bull horn that all protestors should unmask or risk being darted. All the protestors would lose would be anonymity.

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    • Replies: @El Dato

    Lose anonymity or receive darts
     
    Doxxing or darting!

    G-20 Riot Leaves Trail of Destruction as German Officials Scramble for Answers
     
    "Unidentified answers have been detected penetrating NATO airspace. Officials have been scrambled for interception."
    , @Jack Hanson
    "WHY DONT THEY JUST SHOOT THE GUN OUT OF HIS HAND HUH?"

    Because tranquilizers are loaded into the dart based off weight, where not enough isn't going to do anything while too much is going to shut down their breathing with fatal complications.

    This isn't touching possible allergic reactions, etc.
    , @Thomas

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart?
     
    Not even close to being safe. It's not like the movies. In addition to the risk of a lethal dose (you hit a 250 lb. protestor or a 120 lb. one?), or a dart striking somewhere dangerous (e.g., eye, artery, heart), someone could asphyxiate due to aspirating something or landing in the wrong position. The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.
  19. @Pat Boyle
    There is now on TV here in California a commercial for razor blades in which a frustrated razor customer is shot with a dart gun and immediately falls to the ground. I occasionally watch a nature show in which the tiny woman veterinarian shoots bears and musk ox's with a tranquilizer dart gun. This brings them quickly under control.

    Almost all jurisdictions disallow protestors to mask their faces. But no one ever seems to do much about it, and so we have black masked protestors breaking windows and starting fires.

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart? I'm trying to be moderate and reasonable here. I might feel like having the cops fire live ammunition but I'm trying to be restrained and civilized. Of course there would be some risk to the masked protestors - dosage I understand can be tricky. An occasional protestor would probably die by mistake. But normally the protestors would simply drop unconscious and be hauled away to the pokey.

    In Victorian England they read the riot act to mobsters and then dispersed the crowd with truncheons. I favor a more modern and moderate approach. Announce on a bull horn that all protestors should unmask or risk being darted. All the protestors would lose would be anonymity.

    Lose anonymity or receive darts

    Doxxing or darting!

    G-20 Riot Leaves Trail of Destruction as German Officials Scramble for Answers

    “Unidentified answers have been detected penetrating NATO airspace. Officials have been scrambled for interception.”

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  20. @Pat Boyle
    There is now on TV here in California a commercial for razor blades in which a frustrated razor customer is shot with a dart gun and immediately falls to the ground. I occasionally watch a nature show in which the tiny woman veterinarian shoots bears and musk ox's with a tranquilizer dart gun. This brings them quickly under control.

    Almost all jurisdictions disallow protestors to mask their faces. But no one ever seems to do much about it, and so we have black masked protestors breaking windows and starting fires.

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart? I'm trying to be moderate and reasonable here. I might feel like having the cops fire live ammunition but I'm trying to be restrained and civilized. Of course there would be some risk to the masked protestors - dosage I understand can be tricky. An occasional protestor would probably die by mistake. But normally the protestors would simply drop unconscious and be hauled away to the pokey.

    In Victorian England they read the riot act to mobsters and then dispersed the crowd with truncheons. I favor a more modern and moderate approach. Announce on a bull horn that all protestors should unmask or risk being darted. All the protestors would lose would be anonymity.

    “WHY DONT THEY JUST SHOOT THE GUN OUT OF HIS HAND HUH?”

    Because tranquilizers are loaded into the dart based off weight, where not enough isn’t going to do anything while too much is going to shut down their breathing with fatal complications.

    This isn’t touching possible allergic reactions, etc.

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  21. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10639/europe-migration-bill-gates

    “[T]he more generous you are, the more word gets around about this — which in turn motivates more people to leave Africa. Germany cannot possibly take in the huge number of people who are wanting to make their way to Europe.” — Bill Gates.

    The annual survey of EU citizens, recently carried out by Project 28, found a unanimity on the issue of migration almost unequalled across an entire continent. The survey found that 76% of the public across the EU believe that the EU’s handling of the migration crisis of recent years has been “poor”. There is not one country in the EU in which the majority of the public differs from that consensus.

    At the same time as the public has known that what the politicians are doing is unsustainable, there has been a vast effort to control what the European publics have been allowed to say. German Chancellor Angela Merkel went so far as to urge Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg to limit posts on social media that were critical of her policies.

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  22. @Luke Lea
    I presume these are the same forces that rioted against globalism in Seattle a few years back. What is their relationship to the so-called Antifas who are rioting against Trump's liberal nationalism? If they are against globalism and the nation state, what does that leave? International communism? Marxist-Lenninist anarchism? Or just plain old-fashioned nihilism?

    These groups call themselves lots of things depending on situation(what they’re protesting against) but antifa is as correct as it gets. Anarchist is also quite right. They’re not communists per se. They usually lead an ‘alternative’ lifestyle too.

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  23. @Pat Boyle
    There is now on TV here in California a commercial for razor blades in which a frustrated razor customer is shot with a dart gun and immediately falls to the ground. I occasionally watch a nature show in which the tiny woman veterinarian shoots bears and musk ox's with a tranquilizer dart gun. This brings them quickly under control.

    Almost all jurisdictions disallow protestors to mask their faces. But no one ever seems to do much about it, and so we have black masked protestors breaking windows and starting fires.

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart? I'm trying to be moderate and reasonable here. I might feel like having the cops fire live ammunition but I'm trying to be restrained and civilized. Of course there would be some risk to the masked protestors - dosage I understand can be tricky. An occasional protestor would probably die by mistake. But normally the protestors would simply drop unconscious and be hauled away to the pokey.

    In Victorian England they read the riot act to mobsters and then dispersed the crowd with truncheons. I favor a more modern and moderate approach. Announce on a bull horn that all protestors should unmask or risk being darted. All the protestors would lose would be anonymity.

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart?

    Not even close to being safe. It’s not like the movies. In addition to the risk of a lethal dose (you hit a 250 lb. protestor or a 120 lb. one?), or a dart striking somewhere dangerous (e.g., eye, artery, heart), someone could asphyxiate due to aspirating something or landing in the wrong position. The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    "The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure."

    Or, for general anesthesia that is not as deep: The anesthetist's job is to monitor the patient very closely and tweak the dose so that they are sufficiently anesthetized but do not require life-support.
    , @Anon
    Collateral damage. Acceptable losses.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I'm trying to examine options that might help solve a growing problem. You seem to be looking for arguments to keep from doing anything. Is that stance because of your political sympathies?

    First of all, the risk is all on the side of those who are already breaking the law. If someone is hurt from being darted it would have been their choice. The purpose of such a policy would be unmasking. Any protester could avoid all risk and all darts by simple taking off their mask.

    Some new technology would probably be helpful. The dart gun could have a mechanism that adjusted the dart's dosage with some sort of gauge. So if a cop saw a small woman he could quickly dial in her estimated weight.

    There should also be some research into differing tranquilizer compounds. A dart for a wild animal has to at some point render the animal completely unconscious. For a recalcitrant protestor something less potent would be needed. Maybe a dosage and a formulation that put the perpetrator into some sort of twilight state would be possible. You wouldn't want to make a bull you were trying to castrate merely dizzy, but that might be enough for a violent masked protestor.

    I am proposing a non-lethal alternative to deadly force. I'm sure bean bags and similar projectiles have had some serious injuries when deployed in the field. The riots in Germany seem to be escalating. We should prepare for further trouble now for humanitarian reasons. Otherwise we may be forced into worse choices.
  24. @reiner Tor
    The burnt down downtown didn't cost our elites much, and the antifas are otherwise useful idiots in enforcing the PC orthodoxy, for example against AfD politicians, members and even voters. On the other hand, anonymous message board commenters might cost them eventually their power. So the latter must be shut down, while nothing in particular needs to be done with the former.

    Nice comment. The mise-en-scene is perfect for demonstrating how the traditional left/right polarity has been inverted.

    Some US reactions (and MSM self-parody):

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  25. Take what happened in Hamburg, increase the carnage exponentially and you’d have what damn near every US city would look like if Hillary had won.

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    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    O rlly? If that were the case, you ought to have more regard for the GOP, because that's who has the capability to stop it.
  26. @Thomas

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart?
     
    Not even close to being safe. It's not like the movies. In addition to the risk of a lethal dose (you hit a 250 lb. protestor or a 120 lb. one?), or a dart striking somewhere dangerous (e.g., eye, artery, heart), someone could asphyxiate due to aspirating something or landing in the wrong position. The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.

    “The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.”

    Or, for general anesthesia that is not as deep: The anesthetist’s job is to monitor the patient very closely and tweak the dose so that they are sufficiently anesthetized but do not require life-support.

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  27. This pretty much is begging for Europe’s White men to get together and go have at it against the antifa dudes, much like the continual violence against Trump supporters generated its own counter-action. I assume there are plenty of motorcycle gang members in Europe who would like to have a go and act since the police won’t.

    Once ordinary Germans realize the police are there to protect the antifa and the Muslims only, they will treat them like the enemy. That went well in the 1920s didn’t it?

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  28. Leftist violence in Germany has been tolerated for about forty years, on a scale unimaginable in the Anglosphere, Hamburg is just the latest and greatest. The reason is the profound sympathy for Marxist revolution among large segments of the academic, media and political elite in the country. The fires were still burning on Friday and one politician, Irene Mihalic of the Greens, blamed the police for the violence, and this in a city where thousands of masked protestors smashed store windows, burned cars and threw rocks and bottles at security forces, in plain view with no fear of anything flying back other than a spray of water or some tear gas.

    Watch some of the videos and explain to me how this doesn’t result in civil war.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Like Baader-Meinhoff at the extreme it's surely a reaction/result of the post-WW2 de-nazification. Tell people all this stuff 24/7 and then get the reaction. GIGO.
  29. @Luke Lea
    I presume these are the same forces that rioted against globalism in Seattle a few years back. What is their relationship to the so-called Antifas who are rioting against Trump's liberal nationalism? If they are against globalism and the nation state, what does that leave? International communism? Marxist-Lenninist anarchism? Or just plain old-fashioned nihilism?

    Someone’s footing their bills, that much I am sure of. Most likely Soros.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/soros-funded-militant-group-claims-german-contingent-at-g20-protests/

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  30. I think it’s great optics, honestly. Let normal Germans see what far-left behavior is actually like.

    Middle class white kids with shit personalities, shit aesthetics, and shit ideas.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    Problem is, normies will react by voting for the Christian Democrats.
  31. How’s the German media covering this, btw? Downplayed? Subdued? Sympathetic? Apologetic? Trump-is-a-nazi?

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    @Thomas

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart?
     
    Not even close to being safe. It's not like the movies. In addition to the risk of a lethal dose (you hit a 250 lb. protestor or a 120 lb. one?), or a dart striking somewhere dangerous (e.g., eye, artery, heart), someone could asphyxiate due to aspirating something or landing in the wrong position. The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.

    Collateral damage. Acceptable losses.

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  33. @Tiny Duck
    Racists do more harm than antifa. Antics is just defending the oppressed against the oppressors.

    Antics is just defending the oppressed against the oppressors.

    In general I think your troll act has become somewhat tiresome, but I have to admit, occasionally I’m still amused by the intentional mistakes (the one about “Africa was faked by white men” was also quite funny).

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  34. “Leftist violence in Germany has been tolerated for about forty years, on a scale unimaginable in the Anglosphere”

    In this vein, it is mind-boggling to contemplate the degree of sympathy in German society for the Baader-Meinhof gang. Americans consistently underestimate how widespread Marxist sympathies were in Europe.

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  35. @Jason Liu
    I think it's great optics, honestly. Let normal Germans see what far-left behavior is actually like.

    Middle class white kids with shit personalities, shit aesthetics, and shit ideas.

    Problem is, normies will react by voting for the Christian Democrats.

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  36. Haven’t the Germans made good use of dogs?

    I remember transiting the Frankfurt airport in the mid-to-late 1990s, that is, a time when Europe was considerably more security conscious than the pre-9-11 U.S.. The airport was patrolled by teams of two police officers. One carried an H-K assault rifle, the second had a dog on a leash.

    I also read in the book Dangerous Animals that dogs were used for crowd control in Germany. The author was impressed on how they had trained what we in the U.S. would call a “cow dog” (a dog bred and trained to control herds of cattle), not to bite protestors who were advancing on the police but instead run headlong at them and knock them down.

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  37. @Jack Hanson
    Take what happened in Hamburg, increase the carnage exponentially and you'd have what damn near every US city would look like if Hillary had won.

    O rlly? If that were the case, you ought to have more regard for the GOP, because that’s who has the capability to stop it.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Lmbo without Trump the GOP would be shaking hands with BLM.

    Tell me again how Trump can't win.

  38. @El Dato
    Well, maybe some old-fashined self-protection (dissed as "vigilantism") as was implemented in the 2011-08 UK riots would help.

    As I recall, the "communities" that implemented self-protection in the UK were strongly Pakistani/Hindu - protecting against The Excited Ones of both the coloured and whitey sort. Having economic skin in the game (i.e. your shop) is strong motivator. Of course, the EDL also piled in. (The BlackBerry was a big factor in flash mob pulling)

    'It's not vigilantism, it was self-defence': how communities stood up to rioters

    Watching six-year old BBC stuff is fun and reference-building:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs0b97sqg4

    I’m not sure about Pakistani/Hindu, but Punjabi Sikhs in Southall did take a stand and defend themselves, very visibly.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024358-0D5EFEA800000578-806_964x632.jpg

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    But when majority white areas began to mobilise in a similar fashion to keep out the vibrancy, the police suddenly found the extra manpower they had been lacking over the previous days of looting and shut it down.
  39. @Tim Howells
    The most incredible thing was Merkel justifying the the riots as free speech! This after hiring ex-Stasi agent Anetta Kahane to oversee the prosecution of "xenophobic" Facebook commenters.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/17/german-govt-hires-ex-stasi-agent-patrol-facebook-xenophobic-comments/

    The most incredible thing was Merkel justifying the the riots as free speech! This after hiring ex-Stasi agent Anetta Kahane to oversee the prosecution of “xenophobic” Facebook commenters.

    That in itself ought to be a national scandal.

    It would also be interesting to see Mrs. Merkel’s Stasi file.

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  40. @PiltdownMan
    I'm not sure about Pakistani/Hindu, but Punjabi Sikhs in Southall did take a stand and defend themselves, very visibly.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024358-0D5EFEA800000578-806_964x632.jpg

    But when majority white areas began to mobilise in a similar fashion to keep out the vibrancy, the police suddenly found the extra manpower they had been lacking over the previous days of looting and shut it down.

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  41. @El Dato
    Well, maybe some old-fashined self-protection (dissed as "vigilantism") as was implemented in the 2011-08 UK riots would help.

    As I recall, the "communities" that implemented self-protection in the UK were strongly Pakistani/Hindu - protecting against The Excited Ones of both the coloured and whitey sort. Having economic skin in the game (i.e. your shop) is strong motivator. Of course, the EDL also piled in. (The BlackBerry was a big factor in flash mob pulling)

    'It's not vigilantism, it was self-defence': how communities stood up to rioters

    Watching six-year old BBC stuff is fun and reference-building:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs0b97sqg4

    protecting against The Excited Ones of both the coloured and whitey sort.

    Very much the former rather than the later. The standard libtard line is that because some whites joined in it was therefore a truly multiracial affair. It mostly wasn’t and to the degree it was at all that was only in the tail end once scumbags of all races realised the police didn’t have a pair.

    Even my local trash started acting up at one point, not helped many local police having being sent into London to watch the looting. We could see the smoke from London fires from our town.

    Of course, the EDL also piled in.

    What are you implying there?

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  42. @HunInTheSun
    Leftist violence in Germany has been tolerated for about forty years, on a scale unimaginable in the Anglosphere, Hamburg is just the latest and greatest. The reason is the profound sympathy for Marxist revolution among large segments of the academic, media and political elite in the country. The fires were still burning on Friday and one politician, Irene Mihalic of the Greens, blamed the police for the violence, and this in a city where thousands of masked protestors smashed store windows, burned cars and threw rocks and bottles at security forces, in plain view with no fear of anything flying back other than a spray of water or some tear gas.

    Watch some of the videos and explain to me how this doesn't result in civil war.

    Like Baader-Meinhoff at the extreme it’s surely a reaction/result of the post-WW2 de-nazification. Tell people all this stuff 24/7 and then get the reaction. GIGO.

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  43. @Boethiuss
    O rlly? If that were the case, you ought to have more regard for the GOP, because that's who has the capability to stop it.

    Lmbo without Trump the GOP would be shaking hands with BLM.

    Tell me again how Trump can’t win.

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  44. You never really know for sure who’s behind these ‘anti-fa’ clowns. I’ve heard stories to the effect that they’re infiltrated and steered by the secret police, à la CoIntelPro or GLADIO. All I can tell you is that the German government is way more lackadaisical in dealing with them than it is in prosecuting peaceful ‘populist’ dissent on the internet.

    Authorities moved to quell the riots only after they had raged for hours, according to several shopkeepers in one of the hardest-hit streets.

    Doesn’t sound like the authorities’ hearts were really in it, does it?

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    More on this vein from German journalist Victor Grossman:

    When the G-8 met at Heiligendamm in 2007, a leading stone-thrower lost his mask and was recognized as a police employee. The far left-anarchist center in Hamburg (a building known as “Red Flora”), a main organizing center of the current protests, has been infiltrated more than once by very “leftist”, inquisitive, even libidinously active police spies. Some truths may never come out; who is masquerading here and why.
     
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/12/94052/
  45. @Luke Lea
    I presume these are the same forces that rioted against globalism in Seattle a few years back. What is their relationship to the so-called Antifas who are rioting against Trump's liberal nationalism? If they are against globalism and the nation state, what does that leave? International communism? Marxist-Lenninist anarchism? Or just plain old-fashioned nihilism?

    They are mostly people who enjoy throwing rocks and petrol bombs at the police. Any excuse will do. It helps them if well-meaning people provide a large crowd of “peaceful” demonstrators. It helps even more if there are “fascists” or other unpersons as targets beyond the police lines.

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  46. @Thomas

    Why not just shoot them with a tranquilizer dart?
     
    Not even close to being safe. It's not like the movies. In addition to the risk of a lethal dose (you hit a 250 lb. protestor or a 120 lb. one?), or a dart striking somewhere dangerous (e.g., eye, artery, heart), someone could asphyxiate due to aspirating something or landing in the wrong position. The experience with all those dead hostages at that Moscow theater siege years ago illustrates the problem, as does the fact that when a surgical patient undergoes general anesthesia, they have to be essentially put on life support throughout the procedure.

    I’m trying to examine options that might help solve a growing problem. You seem to be looking for arguments to keep from doing anything. Is that stance because of your political sympathies?

    First of all, the risk is all on the side of those who are already breaking the law. If someone is hurt from being darted it would have been their choice. The purpose of such a policy would be unmasking. Any protester could avoid all risk and all darts by simple taking off their mask.

    Some new technology would probably be helpful. The dart gun could have a mechanism that adjusted the dart’s dosage with some sort of gauge. So if a cop saw a small woman he could quickly dial in her estimated weight.

    There should also be some research into differing tranquilizer compounds. A dart for a wild animal has to at some point render the animal completely unconscious. For a recalcitrant protestor something less potent would be needed. Maybe a dosage and a formulation that put the perpetrator into some sort of twilight state would be possible. You wouldn’t want to make a bull you were trying to castrate merely dizzy, but that might be enough for a violent masked protestor.

    I am proposing a non-lethal alternative to deadly force. I’m sure bean bags and similar projectiles have had some serious injuries when deployed in the field. The riots in Germany seem to be escalating. We should prepare for further trouble now for humanitarian reasons. Otherwise we may be forced into worse choices.

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  47. @Seamus Padraig
    You never really know for sure who's behind these 'anti-fa' clowns. I've heard stories to the effect that they're infiltrated and steered by the secret police, à la CoIntelPro or GLADIO. All I can tell you is that the German government is way more lackadaisical in dealing with them than it is in prosecuting peaceful 'populist' dissent on the internet.

    Authorities moved to quell the riots only after they had raged for hours, according to several shopkeepers in one of the hardest-hit streets.
     
    Doesn't sound like the authorities' hearts were really in it, does it?

    More on this vein from German journalist Victor Grossman:

    When the G-8 met at Heiligendamm in 2007, a leading stone-thrower lost his mask and was recognized as a police employee. The far left-anarchist center in Hamburg (a building known as “Red Flora”), a main organizing center of the current protests, has been infiltrated more than once by very “leftist”, inquisitive, even libidinously active police spies. Some truths may never come out; who is masquerading here and why.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/12/94052/

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