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The edifice of the post-1991 world order is collapsing right before our eyes. President Putin’s decision to give a miss to the Auschwitz pilgrimage, right after his absence in Paris at Charlie festival, gave it the last shove. It was good clean fun to troll Russia, as long as she stayed the course. Not anymore. Russia broke the rules.

Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong. It attended the gathering of the grandees where it was shunned, paid its dues to European bodies that condemned it, patiently suffered ceaseless hectoring of the great powers and irritating baiting of the East European small-timers alike. But something broke there. The lad does not want to belong anymore; he picked up his stuff and went home. Just when they needed him to kneel in Auschwitz.

The Auschwitz gathering is an annual Canossa of the Western leaders where they bewail their failure to protect the Jews and swear their perennial obedience to them. This is a more important religious rite in our days, the One Ring to rule them all, established in 2001, when the Judeo-American empire reached the pinnacle of its power. The Russian leader duly attended the events. This year, they will have to do without him. Israeli ministers already have expressed their deep dissatisfaction for this although it was Russia’s Red Army that saved the Jews in Auschwitz. Absence of Russia turns the Holocaust memorial day into a parochial, West-only, event. Worse, Russia’s place will be taken by Ukraine, with its Nazi-glorifying regime.

This comes after the French Charlie demo, also spurned by Russia. The West hinted that Russia’s sins would be forgiven, up to a point, if she joined, first the demo, and later, the planned anti-terrorist coalition, but Russia did not take the bait. This was a visible change, for previously, Russian leaders eagerly participated in such events and voted for West-sponsored resolutions. In 2001, Putin fully supported George Bush’s War on Terrorism in the UN and on the ground. As recently as 2011, Russia agreed with sanctions against North Korea and Iran. As for coming to a demonstration, the Russians could always be relied upon. This time, the Russians did not come, excepting the token presence of the foreign minister Mr. Lavrov. This indomitable successor of Mr. Nyet had left the event almost immediately and went – to pray in the Russian church, in a counter-demonstration, of sorts, against Charlie. By going to the church, he declared that he is not Charlie.

For the Charlie Hebdo magazine was (and probably is) explicitly anti-Christian as well as anti-Muslim. One finds there some most obnoxious cartoons offending the Virgin and Christ, as well as the pope and the Church. (They never offended Jews, somehow). A Russian blogger who’s been exposed to this magazine for the first time, wrote on his page: I am ashamed that the bastards were dealt with by Muslims, not by Christians. This was quite a common feeling in Moscow these days. The Russians could not believe that such smut could be published and defended as a right of free speech. People planned a demo against that Charlie, but City Hall forbade it.

Remember, a few years ago, that Pussy Riot profaned the St Saviour of Moscow in the way that Femen had profaned some great European cathedrals, from Notre Dame de Paris to Strasbourg. The Russian government did not wait for vigilante justice being meted upon the viragos, but had given them up to two years of prison. At the same time, the Russian criminal law has been changed to include ‘sacrilege’ among ordinary crimes, by general consent. The Russians do feel about their faith more strongly than what EC rulers prescribe.

In Charlie’s France, Hollande’s regime frogmarched the unwilling people into a quite unnecessary gay marriage law, notwithstanding one-million-strong demonstrations of Catholics. The Femen despoiling the churches were never punished; but a church warden who tried to prevent that, was heavily fined. France has a long anti-Christian tradition, usually described as “laic”, and its grand anti-Church coalition of Atheists, Huguenots and Jews coalesced in the Dreyfus Affair days. Thus Lavrov’s escape to the church was a counter-demonstration, saying: Russia is for Christ, and Russia is not against Muslims.

While the present western regime is anti-Christian and anti-Muslim, it is pro-Jewish to an extent that defies a rational explanation. France had sent thousands of soldiers and policemen to defend Jewish institutions, though this defence antagonises their neighbours. While Charlie are glorified for insulting Christians and Muslims, Dieudonné has been sent to jail for annoying Jews. Actually, Charlie Hebdo dismissed a journalist for one sentence allegedly disrespectful for Jews. This unfairness is a source of aggravation: Muslims were laughed out of court when they complained against particularly vile Charlie’s cartoons, but Jews almost always win when they go to the court against their denigrators. (Full disclosure: I was also sued by LICRA, the French Jewish body, while my French publisher was devastated by their legal attacks).

The Russians don’t comprehend the Western infatuation with Jews, for Russian Jews are well assimilated and integrated in general society. The narrative of Holocaust is not popular in Russia for a simple reason: so many Russians of every ethnic background lost their lives in the war, that there is no reason to single out Jews as supreme victims. Millions died at the siege of Leningrad; Belarus lost a quarter of its population. More importantly, Russians feel no guilt regarding Jews: they treated them fairly and saved them from the Nazis. For them, the Holocaust is a Western narrative, as foreign as JeSuisCharlie. With drifting of Russia out of Western consensus, there is no reason to maintain it.

ORDER IT NOW

This does not mean the Jews are discriminated against. The Jews of Russia are doing very well, thank you, without Holocaust worship: they occupy highest positions in the Forbes list of Russia’s rich, with a capital of $122 billion, while all rich ethnic Russians own $165 billion, according to the Jewish-owned resource. Jews run the most celebrated media shows in prime time on the state TV; they publish newspapers; they have full and unlimited access to Putin and his ministers; they usually have their way when they want to get a plot of land for their communal purposes. And anti-Semitic propaganda is punishable by law – like anti-Christian or anti-Muslim abuse, but even more severely. Still, it is impossible to imagine a Russian journalist getting sack like CNN anchor Jim Clancy or BBC’s Tim Willcox for upsetting a Jew or speaking against Israel.

Russia preserves its plurality, diversity and freedom of opinions. The Pro-Western Russian media – Novaya Gazeta of oligarch Lebedev, the owner of the British newspaper Independent – carries the JeSuis slogan and speaks of Holocaust, as well as demands to restore Crimea to the Ukraine. But the vast majority of Russians do support their President, and his civilizational choice. He expressed it when he went to midnight Christmas mass in a small village church in far-away province, together with orphans and refugees from the Ukraine. And he expressed it by refusing to go to Auschwitz.

 

Neither willingly nor easily did Russia break the ranks. Putin tried to take Western baiting in his stride: be it Olympic games, Syria confrontation, gender politics, Georgian border, even Crimea-related sanctions. The open economic warfare was a game changer. Russia felt attacked by falling oil prices, by rouble trouble, by rating downgrades. These developments were considered acts of hostility, rather than the result of “the hidden hand of the market”.

Russians love conspiracies, as James Bond used to say. They do not believe in chance, coincidence nor natural occurrences, and are likely to consider a falling meteorite or an earthquake – a result of hostile American action, let alone a fall in the rouble/dollar exchange rate. They could be right, too, though it is hard to prove.

Regarding oil price fall, the jury is out. Some say this is an action by the Saudis aimed at American fracking companies, or alternatively a Saudi-American plot against Russia. However, the price of oil is not formed by supply-and-demand, but by financial instruments, futures and derivatives. This virtual demand-and-supply is much bigger than the real one. When hedge funds stopped buying oil futures, the price downturn became unavoidable, but were the funds directed by politicians, or did they act so because Quantitative Easing ended?

The steep fall of the rouble could be connected to the oil price downturn, but not necessarily so. The Rouble is not involved in forming oil prices. It could be an action by a very big financial institution. Soros broke the back of the British pound in 1991; the Korean won, Thai bhat and Malaysian ringgit suffered similar fates in 1998. In each case, the attacked country lost about 40% of its GDP. It is possible that Russia was attacked by financial weapons directed from New York.

The European punitive sanctions forbade long-term cheap credit to Russian companies. The Russian state does not need loans, but Russian companies do. The combination of these factors put a squeeze on Russian pockets. The rating agencies kept downgrading the Russian rating almost to junk level, for political reasons, I was told. As they were deprived of credit, state companies began to hoard dollars to later pay their debts, and they refrained from converting their huge profits to roubles, as they had done until now. The rouble fell dramatically, probably to levels much lower than necessary.

This is not pinpoint sanctions aimed at Putin’s friends. This is a full-blown war. If the initiators expected Russians will be mad at Putin, they miscalculated. The Russian public is angry with the American organisers of this economic warfare, not with its own government. The pro-Western opposition tried to demonstrate against Putin, but very few people joined them.

Ordinary Russians kept a stiff upper lip. They did not notice the sanctions until the rouble staggered, and even then they rather shopped like mad than protested. In face of shrinking money, they did not buy salt and sugar, as their grandparents would. Their battle cry against hogging was “Do not take more than two Lexus cars per family, leave something for others!”

Perhaps, the invisible financiers went too far. Instead of being cowed, the Russians are preparing for a real long war, as they and their ancestors fought – and won. It is not that they have a choice: though Americans insist Russia should join their War-on-Terrorism-II, they do not intend to relinquish their sanctions.

The Russians do not know how to deal with the financial attack. Without capital restrictions, Russia will be cleaned out. The Russian Central bank and Treasury people are strict monetarists, capital restrictions are anathema for them. Putin, being a liberal himself, apparently trusts them. Capital flight took huge proportions. Unless Russia will use the measures successfully tried by Mohammad Mahathir of Malaysia, it will continue. Meanwhile, we do not see signs for change.

This could be the incentive for Putin to deal with Ukraine. If the Russians do not know how to shuffle futures and derivatives, they are expert in armour movements and tank battles. The Kiev regime is also spoiling for a fight, apparently pushed by the American neocons. It is possible that the US will get more than what it bargained for in the Ukraine.

One can be certain that Russians will not support the Middle Eastern crusade of NATO, as this military action was prepared at the Charlie demo in Paris. It is far from clear who killed the cartoonists, but Paris and Washington intend to use it for reigniting war in the Middle East. This time, Russia will be in opposition, and probably will use it as an opportunity to change the uncomfortable standoff in the Ukraine. Thus supporters of peace in the Middle East have a reason to back Russia.

The New World Order est mort. Vive the Future!

Israel Shamir works in Moscow and Jaffa; he can be reached on adam@israelshamir.net

 
• Category: Foreign Policy, Ideology • Tags: Charlie Hebdo, Middle East, Russia 
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  1. Kiza says:

    If Paul Craig Roberts, Mike Whitney and Philip Giraldi were the Gods of Olympus, then Israel Shamir would be the Zeus himself (LOL). Well, as a self-hating-Jew who shuttles between Moscow and Tel-Aviv, he certainly is one of the most intelligent and the best informed people in the World. “Self-hating-Jew” is the popular label that Likudniks and their US neocon corps put on all dissenters of Jewish origin. For me, Israel Shamir is simply the best argument in the World against anti-Semitism: it is not “the Jews” who are wagging the US dog and the whole World with it, it is the Likudnik neocon cult, that is, the mad-dog Jews. But there is nothing importantly Jewish in these mad-dog Jews, they are identical to the mad-dog Muslims and all other extremists and fundamentalists in the World.

    Here, Israel best summarises the feelings of ordinary Russians regarding the West and the Russian pro-Western liberals: “Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong.” Do you remember the Clinton’s mad laugh as the his drunken puppet Yeltsin was flatulating in the rithm of the honorary music? Well, it appears that Russia finally had enough of the wish to belong to Cosa Nostra (sorry Israel Shamir, Cosa Nostra criminal gang not Eaton).

    Finally, a note about the joke called credit ratings and especially Russia’s credit rating. José Manuel Barroso recently visited China to seek billions of investment into EU to save the EU from the forthcoming financial disaster, of either having to print/QE Euro or to go bankrupt. But did you know that Chinese debt has lower Credit Rating than EU’s? If you wondered why Russia and China want to separate their finance from the West, there is why? It is the Western Funny House financial system.

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    • Replies: @Hector
    Rest assured, Israel Shamir was trolling when we wrote this piece. Pls consider not accepting any more of this person's stuff. It is well below the quality found on this site.
    , @Christo
    I find the logic used to be difficult to follow in the article; also the comments. What I did read about years ago was that Putin had a Jewish mother, and that modern Russia is very much a product of Wall Street. The media tries very hard to project the image of Russia as playing a dialectical role vis-a-vis the "West". I get very tired of all this
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  2. Neutral says:

    Regarding the plan wanting to turn Russians against their own government, this question goes mostly to the neocons here. If the same scenario happened to America, say it was pressured from the outside to overthrow the current regime, would you support this, could you expect most Americans to support such a thing ?

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    American field of "Russian Studies" is dead. It was for some time. It was Solzhenitsified to the point of being being a voodoo which has no relation to real Russia.
  3. TomB says:

    There’s no doubt Shamir writes some good stuff but he also seems to me to be just a little too drawn to grinding some personal axe(s), esp. in seeing conspiracies/quasi-conspiracies, which mars his analytics and forecasts.

    For instance, I think he’s clearly wrong here in ascribing the fall in oil prices to some mere attempt to whack Russia. And of course if indeed oil prices have fallen due to “financial instruments” and etc., then that doesn’t mean supply and demand are no longer the cause because of course such “financial instruments” are just a reflection of supply and demand forces.

    This is a good piece anyway at least in giving us some testability about Shamir’s reliability: If he’s right then of course we should see Russia playing a far stronger pro-Iranian hand in the P5+1 talks, and a far less cooperative attitude against the “war on terror.”

    Even if not it seems to me that this piece retains lots of validity anyway, but of course its hook is in its declaration of a relatively radical new day having dawned, so…

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  4. bob sykes says:

    Actually, this is backwards. Putin was disinvited from both performances. The EU/NATO is trying to erase from history Russia’s contribution to the defeat of Germany.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    Mr Netanyahu was also "discouraged" by Hollande from coming to Paris but he came anyway in his usual obnoxious, arrogant and grandstanding way. Putin was much more of a gentleman about it.
  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This man is extremely original and witty – he reminds me of the old Eastern European expatriates I used to play chess with as a teenager in England.

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  6. KA says:

    Russia should have assumed this posture in 2008 by including few other balls along with the missing two of Georgian then president. But better late than never. If Putin can break the back of the real camel- Saudi- that will be well appreciated . Peace in Middle East will remain elusive until this dinosaur stops siphoning off the oxygen of change from the moving air .

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  7. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    Tip of the hat to Israel Shamir, read more:

    ‘Antisemitic ‘Holocaust denier’ in charge of WikiLeaks Russian distribution’

    http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/42625/antisemitic-holocaust-denier-charge-wikileaks-russian-distribution

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M & gas chambers’.
    see:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline, falling apart faster than a cheap suit.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    It really isn't proper behavior to post multiple, successive comments under different names. The technical term is "sockpuppetry."

    As I've repeatedly emphasized, commenters should adopt one particular handle, unclaimed by anyone else, and then stick to it.
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    Jonnie,

    The Nazis without the gas chambers and six million dead Jews still pretty much suck. No freedom of press, no political opposition, arbitrary arrests of political opponents, not to mention lesbians and gay men, plus deportation of ethnic minorities, arrest of religious minorities, etc.

    Maybe you'd like such a state, but trying to resurrect the Nazis is only going to go so far, even if you were even marginally successful in denying the Holocaust. And let's be clear -- you're not.

    Cheers!
  8. michael says:

    Perhaps the next subject Israel should tackle is the HOLODOMOR. The other HOLO event seems to represent the beginning of recorded time, much about present Ukraine and the usual Western financiers seems relevant. Or maybe MURKY TURKEY?

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  9. schmenz says:
    @bob sykes
    Actually, this is backwards. Putin was disinvited from both performances. The EU/NATO is trying to erase from history Russia's contribution to the defeat of Germany.

    Mr Netanyahu was also “discouraged” by Hollande from coming to Paris but he came anyway in his usual obnoxious, arrogant and grandstanding way. Putin was much more of a gentleman about it.

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  10. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous
    Tip of the hat to Israel Shamir, read more:

    'Antisemitic 'Holocaust denier' in charge of WikiLeaks Russian distribution'
    http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/42625/antisemitic-holocaust-denier-charge-wikileaks-russian-distribution

    There are the 'Nazis' with the mythological '6M & gas chambers' and there are the 'Nazis' without the mythological '6M & gas chambers'.
    see:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline, falling apart faster than a cheap suit.

    It really isn’t proper behavior to post multiple, successive comments under different names. The technical term is “sockpuppetry.”

    As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, commenters should adopt one particular handle, unclaimed by anyone else, and then stick to it.

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  11. Quercus says:

    It seems to me that by disinviting the Russian president from the auschwitz memorial event, the door has been opened for him or her to never again attend, and as well for other leaders to find reasons in future not to come. I’m glad of this as the holocaust (and I deliberately use the lower case “h”) has become a religion at which all are expected to worship. I’m not a worshiper.

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  12. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz
    It really isn't proper behavior to post multiple, successive comments under different names. The technical term is "sockpuppetry."

    As I've repeatedly emphasized, commenters should adopt one particular handle, unclaimed by anyone else, and then stick to it.

    Amen!

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  13. Art says:

    Is there a cemetery for the four million who are said have died at Auschwitz? Where are all those bones? Why weren’t they repatriated to Israel?

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    A plaque at the camp site, from the late 1940s, stated that four million people had suffered and died there. It was replaced, in the late 1980s, with a new plaque, which stated that about one and a half million people-- "mainly Jews"-- had been killed there. Aside from the oddity that both plaques were inscribed in English, there is the notable fact that the sacrosanct figure of an estimated six million murdered Jewish Holocaust victims was maintained, despite this massive downward revision in the estimated fatalities at that most infamous of the so-called "Nazi death camps." Those people who now safeguard the sacrosanct figure of six million dead Jewish Holocaust victims assure us, however, that the belatedly missing Jewish fatalities, there, just happen to match the belatedly realized extra Jewish fatalities at the hands of the infamous Einsatzgruppen execution squads, on the Eastern Front. "No harm, no foul!"
  14. D. K. says:
    @Art
    Is there a cemetery for the four million who are said have died at Auschwitz? Where are all those bones? Why weren’t they repatriated to Israel?

    A plaque at the camp site, from the late 1940s, stated that four million people had suffered and died there. It was replaced, in the late 1980s, with a new plaque, which stated that about one and a half million people– “mainly Jews”– had been killed there. Aside from the oddity that both plaques were inscribed in English, there is the notable fact that the sacrosanct figure of an estimated six million murdered Jewish Holocaust victims was maintained, despite this massive downward revision in the estimated fatalities at that most infamous of the so-called “Nazi death camps.” Those people who now safeguard the sacrosanct figure of six million dead Jewish Holocaust victims assure us, however, that the belatedly missing Jewish fatalities, there, just happen to match the belatedly realized extra Jewish fatalities at the hands of the infamous Einsatzgruppen execution squads, on the Eastern Front. “No harm, no foul!”

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  15. @ TomB

    The oil prices started falling at about the same time the crisis in Ukraine began to heat up. The single country hit hardest by the drop in oil prices is exactly Russia. It doesn’t get any more obvious than this.

    Supply and demand can’t account for such a wide swing in the price of oil. It’s not as if a huge gusher of oil erupted in the middle of nowhere, driving supply up and prices down.
    The economic warfare on Russia might not be the sole cause of the swing in oil prices; it might not even be the major cause (though it probably is); but it definitely is a significant cause.

    Though, to be fair to you, what seems to have happened is this: the US and Saudi Arabia got angry at Russia, and the Saudis flooded the market. So in some sense, there is “supply and demand.” But the supply is entirely manipulable, and therefore so is the entire market.

    From the point of view of a curious observer sympathetic to both Russia and the West (though not much to the power centers of the West), I think that this maneuver with the price of oil is more or less fair game (unlike the silly sanctions that hurt Europe as much as they do Russia). Russia should have the fortitude and sagacity to diversify her economy and strengthen her financial system; or she should bend the knee (which, of course, being Russia, she’d never do).

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    • Replies: @Another Norwegian
    The main reason for the huge fall in the price of oil, is all the oil derivative contracts.

    Norwegian, Russian, American oil companies insure themselves against a fall in the oil price. Even if the price goes to zero, many oil companies will still get say 100$ per barrel, where the difference is mainly payed by US banks.

    It is funny that the banks that are bleeding dollars now, are the same banks that demand oil companies buy insurance to get loans to invest.

    I would not be surprised if Russia helped drive the price even further down, so that the Ruble tanked, and Russia could buy back a lot foreign owned industry.
  16. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Neutral
    Regarding the plan wanting to turn Russians against their own government, this question goes mostly to the neocons here. If the same scenario happened to America, say it was pressured from the outside to overthrow the current regime, would you support this, could you expect most Americans to support such a thing ?

    American field of “Russian Studies” is dead. It was for some time. It was Solzhenitsified to the point of being being a voodoo which has no relation to real Russia.

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  17. unit472 says:

    As regards oil prices, if its some dark conspiracy cooked up by a Saudi/American anti Russia plan well then, where is Putin’s BFF Xi Jinping. Think the world’s largest crude oil importer ( title belongs to China not the US nowadays) would have phoned the Kremlin and said ‘we’ll buy whatever you can pump” and paid above NYMEX to get it. Guess China may not be so keen on bailing Putin out of his difficulties huh?

    The reality is there is a glut of oil on the world market now. Iraq is producing more than it ever has and the US is not only producing more our consumption has fallen too. Everybody knows Iran, constrained by UN sanctions, could sell a million or two additional barrels per day and before the price fell, deep water fields in Brazil and Angola were gearing up to pour even more oil onto world markets. Toss in surging natural gas production, collapsing coal prices and its not a good time to be peddling fossil fuel.

    But don’t weep for Putin. If he isn’t welcome in polite society anymore he is thriving in his element. He has invited North Korea’s Kim Jong Un to Moscow to celebrate the Soviet victory over Germany in WW2. Perhaps Bashar Assad and Robert Mugabe can also be prevailed upon to join the party.

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  18. Joe Webb says:

    Let me remind folks that Shamir is a Russian “Jew” and a communist. Hence the word “nazi” or “fascist” easily slips from his lips. I know Shamir personally. HIs weakness is revealed in his hero-worship of Jack London’s The Iron Heel. The hero of that story is Maximum Leader of Napoleonic dimension, leading the world to communism, or whatever that meant to Jack London before the Real Thing came along.

    “It is far from clear who killed the cartoonists, but Paris and Washington intend to use it for reigniting war in the Middle East.” Where is the supporting evidence for such a whopping claim? I see various folks of good sense generally, opting for False Flag Ops with regard to the Hebdo event. I think this is so unlikely as to be absurd, especially with all those muzzies leaving France to fight for ISIS and then coming home to raise hell. Is all of that False Flags? Or, ISIS and Muzzie terrorism over the last few years…all of this is false flag ops? If you believe that you must think the Jews and the CIA are the smartest folks on the block.

    I have been acquainted with some muzzies …around the time that I met Shamir…these folks are generally not bright (85 IQ for Arabs per Lynn’s IQ and Global Inequality) and impulsive and fanatic about their religion…that is personal experience, and then there is the historical record of centuries of invasion of Europe. (Where is Charles Martel now that Europe needs him?)

    Not a word from Shamir on the muzzies, as if they don’t have an agenda, and agency…their commitments, etc to Act. They do Act. If you think the muzzies did not do 9-11, you got a thinking disorder. Of course, it is probable that the Israelis had a hand in it. Another story.

    Muzzies are nuts, or at least the Jihadists are nuts, killlers, fanatics who kill their folks for religious reasons, never mind us Europeans.

    Shamir, being a communist, refuses racial inequality. And all he can do is welcome the Muzzies in his battle agin Israel. He has not learned that usually the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
    As for his siding with Russia, that is fine, and he offers good reasons why we should side with Russia, but siding silently with the muzzies is part of his hangover with communism and Stalin, and apparently Putin, who I understand needs some rapprochement with some muzzies to protect his pipelines, but….if was me….to hell with them, draw a line and say, that’s it. Come across and you die.

    The rest of his piece has context to support various claims, and he is careful to be agnostic on why oil prices have tumbled due to the Saudis’ actions. There is a very good chance that the Saudis want to punish American oil producers, and/or to do that as well as hammer Russia for the EU and Uncle Sam. However, the EU is very vulnerable to Russia turning off the spigot of oil.

    Further, we are doing quite well as it is amping up another war against ISIS, without the Hebdo juvenile delinquents getting clobbered. Furthermore, to say that France wants to go to war in the Middle East is also a claim that needs lots of evidence. As far as I can see, there is no evidence to that effect, and, furthermore, France knows that invading more Muzzie lands is very dangerous at home.

    If you separate Shamir’s political science from his communist sympathies…you can learn something from reading him and, he IS funny lots of times.

    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    Mr Webb:

    For the record, Mr Shamir is a convert to Orthodox Christianity.
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  20. @Anonymous
    Tip of the hat to Israel Shamir, read more:

    'Antisemitic 'Holocaust denier' in charge of WikiLeaks Russian distribution'
    http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/42625/antisemitic-holocaust-denier-charge-wikileaks-russian-distribution

    There are the 'Nazis' with the mythological '6M & gas chambers' and there are the 'Nazis' without the mythological '6M & gas chambers'.
    see:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline, falling apart faster than a cheap suit.

    Jonnie,

    The Nazis without the gas chambers and six million dead Jews still pretty much suck. No freedom of press, no political opposition, arbitrary arrests of political opponents, not to mention lesbians and gay men, plus deportation of ethnic minorities, arrest of religious minorities, etc.

    Maybe you’d like such a state, but trying to resurrect the Nazis is only going to go so far, even if you were even marginally successful in denying the Holocaust. And let’s be clear — you’re not.

    Cheers!

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  21. schmenz says:
    @Joe Webb
    Let me remind folks that Shamir is a Russian "Jew" and a communist. Hence the word "nazi" or "fascist" easily slips from his lips. I know Shamir personally. HIs weakness is revealed in his hero-worship of Jack London's The Iron Heel. The hero of that story is Maximum Leader of Napoleonic dimension, leading the world to communism, or whatever that meant to Jack London before the Real Thing came along.

    "It is far from clear who killed the cartoonists, but Paris and Washington intend to use it for reigniting war in the Middle East." Where is the supporting evidence for such a whopping claim? I see various folks of good sense generally, opting for False Flag Ops with regard to the Hebdo event. I think this is so unlikely as to be absurd, especially with all those muzzies leaving France to fight for ISIS and then coming home to raise hell. Is all of that False Flags? Or, ISIS and Muzzie terrorism over the last few years...all of this is false flag ops? If you believe that you must think the Jews and the CIA are the smartest folks on the block.

    I have been acquainted with some muzzies ...around the time that I met Shamir...these folks are generally not bright (85 IQ for Arabs per Lynn's IQ and Global Inequality) and impulsive and fanatic about their religion...that is personal experience, and then there is the historical record of centuries of invasion of Europe. (Where is Charles Martel now that Europe needs him?)

    Not a word from Shamir on the muzzies, as if they don't have an agenda, and agency...their commitments, etc to Act. They do Act. If you think the muzzies did not do 9-11, you got a thinking disorder. Of course, it is probable that the Israelis had a hand in it. Another story.

    Muzzies are nuts, or at least the Jihadists are nuts, killlers, fanatics who kill their folks for religious reasons, never mind us Europeans.

    Shamir, being a communist, refuses racial inequality. And all he can do is welcome the Muzzies in his battle agin Israel. He has not learned that usually the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
    As for his siding with Russia, that is fine, and he offers good reasons why we should side with Russia, but siding silently with the muzzies is part of his hangover with communism and Stalin, and apparently Putin, who I understand needs some rapprochement with some muzzies to protect his pipelines, but....if was me....to hell with them, draw a line and say, that's it. Come across and you die.


    The rest of his piece has context to support various claims, and he is careful to be agnostic on why oil prices have tumbled due to the Saudis' actions. There is a very good chance that the Saudis want to punish American oil producers, and/or to do that as well as hammer Russia for the EU and Uncle Sam. However, the EU is very vulnerable to Russia turning off the spigot of oil.

    Further, we are doing quite well as it is amping up another war against ISIS, without the Hebdo juvenile delinquents getting clobbered. Furthermore, to say that France wants to go to war in the Middle East is also a claim that needs lots of evidence. As far as I can see, there is no evidence to that effect, and, furthermore, France knows that invading more Muzzie lands is very dangerous at home.

    If you separate Shamir's political science from his communist sympathies...you can learn something from reading him and, he IS funny lots of times.

    Joe Webb

    Mr Webb:

    For the record, Mr Shamir is a convert to Orthodox Christianity.

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  22. Hector says:
    @Kiza
    If Paul Craig Roberts, Mike Whitney and Philip Giraldi were the Gods of Olympus, then Israel Shamir would be the Zeus himself (LOL). Well, as a self-hating-Jew who shuttles between Moscow and Tel-Aviv, he certainly is one of the most intelligent and the best informed people in the World. "Self-hating-Jew" is the popular label that Likudniks and their US neocon corps put on all dissenters of Jewish origin. For me, Israel Shamir is simply the best argument in the World against anti-Semitism: it is not "the Jews" who are wagging the US dog and the whole World with it, it is the Likudnik neocon cult, that is, the mad-dog Jews. But there is nothing importantly Jewish in these mad-dog Jews, they are identical to the mad-dog Muslims and all other extremists and fundamentalists in the World.

    Here, Israel best summarises the feelings of ordinary Russians regarding the West and the Russian pro-Western liberals: "Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong." Do you remember the Clinton's mad laugh as the his drunken puppet Yeltsin was flatulating in the rithm of the honorary music? Well, it appears that Russia finally had enough of the wish to belong to Cosa Nostra (sorry Israel Shamir, Cosa Nostra criminal gang not Eaton).

    Finally, a note about the joke called credit ratings and especially Russia's credit rating. José Manuel Barroso recently visited China to seek billions of investment into EU to save the EU from the forthcoming financial disaster, of either having to print/QE Euro or to go bankrupt. But did you know that Chinese debt has lower Credit Rating than EU's? If you wondered why Russia and China want to separate their finance from the West, there is why? It is the Western Funny House financial system.

    Rest assured, Israel Shamir was trolling when we wrote this piece. Pls consider not accepting any more of this person’s stuff. It is well below the quality found on this site.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Most US citizens who want to stay in the mental comfort zone and within the "MSM established truths", should not visit unz.com. Almost every author here will be a troll to them. But those armed with curiosity and skepticism about the official story will always enjoy different, often opposite, points of view. For example, although he understands Russia better than any Western Russia-knowing academic and writes in perfect English, pigs will get wings and start flying like birds before Washington Post publishes an Israel Shamir's article. You probably would not even know that Israel existed if you did not come to alternative media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir.
  23. Joe Webb says:

    Right schmenz, thanks, I know but he is still a jew because it is organic/genetic. I have known many Jews and they almost all have certain personality characteristics which I find unpleasant.

    I started out in life in a left wing family, and was on the left for awhile what with Vietnam and the Free Speech movement at Berzerkely, and civil rights.

    I had quite a few Jewish friends and one by one I had to get rid of them, all for the same reason: aggression, not really liking me…I could feel it, and as one ex-Jewish friend once said to me, “you got the biggest bull shit detectors of anyone I know.” I got rid of him as well. The only Jew I kept around was an old girl-friend who hated the Jewish chosen-people stuff, etc. This de-jewdification in my personal life preceded any political awareness of Israel, Zionism, and the rest of the Killer madness of these people. Old Testament mentality. It is of note that Jews and Arabs are semites, worshipping some kind of desert God. Their languages are not Indo-European. They are a separate species in my view. Of course Israelis have about 20 points of IQ on Arabs, but interestingly Israel’s Jews are about 7 points dimmer than American Ashkenazis…

    Shamir, by the way, interpersonally is ok, and I liked him and would probably still like him except for his communism and his fake Christianity, Russian version. you cannot be a commie and be a Christian. It is akin to dual citizenship. You cannot love two countries as your own, provided one is doing all kinds of crazy stuff, like starting world war 3 or 4. Likewise, Christianity and communism are much more impossible to mesh.

    Therefore, I do not trust Shamir. Also, for a while he tolerated me on his list, Togethernet, but expelled me because I kept on criticizing him for his relative Stalinism (or maybe the more congenial for a Jew, Trotskyism. I say congenial because the Jews Never Stop, that was Trotsky’s quarrel with Stalin, who wanted to build socialism-in-one-country while Trotsky was always pushing World Revolution. ) Jews never shut-up. You can beat them hands down, as I have done regularly at demos and such, and they just keep on keeping on…jew lawyers. Of course there are exceptions, and there are a number of “righteous Jews” but there were far more 50 years ago, like Elmer Berger and Lillienthal (?) but after 1967 the righteous ones were driven out by the fanatics and neo-cons.

    Name one Jew who is ok and gets a public voice. Unz does not count.

    Stalinism became very conservative, with Stalin revoking the old anti-Christianity of the Reds and Jews, and re-establishing cordial relations with the Russian Orthodox Church. He also pushed Russian Nationalism hard. The Trots were pushed out, a largely Jewish contingent, and of course Trotsky was murdered. It is no secret that the American Neo-conservatives had a lot of Trot-Jews and probably still has them.

    All of this said, I would guess that whatever tendency Shamir had in his youth, that he is now a Stalinist and of course supports Putin, the latter being fine with me.

    In short, I do not trust Shamir not because he is a Jew genetically, but because of his communism. As I remarked earlier, Shamir is nuts for Jack London’s The Iron Heel (heel? I forget). Read it and see if you thrill to it the way Shamir does. If you do, you are a romantic and therefore dangerous to yourself and others.

    Joe Webb

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  24. Joe Webb says:

    one more point. I remark again that nowhere does Shamir deal with the muzzies in his piece. He attacks the Hebdo juvenile delinquents, Commies and Jews, and of course I agree with him in this regard.

    I wrote a piece a few days ago on how Religion should be given a special treatment in Free Speech legislation…that offending religions for the hell of it should not be protected speech. Religion is sui generis, a very special arena of human affairs that should be spared the nastiness of atheists, Jewish chauvinists, and assorted freaks like pussy riot…lock them up for a couple weeks or more.

    The Muzzies are basically insane. Now I grant that life is fundamentally irrational and politics especially so. However, there is some sanity that can be developed, especially if one gets on board the Evolution thesis…that everything is genetically determined and that there is little Change! possible. However, that is another subject.

    Israel and its lap-dog the US is a major provocation to the Arabs. It is hard to think of another provocation that could be More provocative, except maybe the Hebdo hipsters.

    Nevertheless, here we are with 50 million muzzies in Europe. They cannot be assimilated. They are totalitarian killers…all of them? of course not, but if you have a group, any group, which has, say 10% of its members as murderers on a mission from God, the best thing to do is just get rid of them, the whole bunch. We have a similar problem in the US, with our minorities, but compared to the muzzies, they are just an annoyance, and Mexicans have been sent home before…ca. 1953 when Eisenhower shipped out about one and a half million ‘wetbacks”. 5 million jihadists would bring France to its knees. Imagine John Lennon…the blood bath you have inspired. Also Imagine no possessions…funny, I read somewhere that he died with over two hundred million dollars.

    10 percent of 50 million is 5 million very dangerous people. Get rid of them. Send them home.
    Shamir refuses to even talk about the problem although I think he hinted a False Flag OP. How absurd? How crazy that is….I already went into this, sorry.

    Shamir still goes in for Imagine!…Beatles childishness…this type of childishness is totally outside Rationality and Grown-Up Understanding of the World.

    Joe Webb

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  25. Kiza says:
    @Hector
    Rest assured, Israel Shamir was trolling when we wrote this piece. Pls consider not accepting any more of this person's stuff. It is well below the quality found on this site.

    Most US citizens who want to stay in the mental comfort zone and within the “MSM established truths”, should not visit unz.com. Almost every author here will be a troll to them. But those armed with curiosity and skepticism about the official story will always enjoy different, often opposite, points of view. For example, although he understands Russia better than any Western Russia-knowing academic and writes in perfect English, pigs will get wings and start flying like birds before Washington Post publishes an Israel Shamir’s article. You probably would not even know that Israel existed if you did not come to alternative media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir.

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    • Replies: @Hector
    Some people come here looking for facts. Not the flowery punditry that Shamir engages in. I must assume that he is entertaining someone since he has such a glut of articles posted. If you would like more "analysis" in his style then I would direct you to the following:
    4chan.org/pol/
  26. Hector says:
    @Kiza
    Most US citizens who want to stay in the mental comfort zone and within the "MSM established truths", should not visit unz.com. Almost every author here will be a troll to them. But those armed with curiosity and skepticism about the official story will always enjoy different, often opposite, points of view. For example, although he understands Russia better than any Western Russia-knowing academic and writes in perfect English, pigs will get wings and start flying like birds before Washington Post publishes an Israel Shamir's article. You probably would not even know that Israel existed if you did not come to alternative media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir.

    Some people come here looking for facts. Not the flowery punditry that Shamir engages in. I must assume that he is entertaining someone since he has such a glut of articles posted. If you would like more “analysis” in his style then I would direct you to the following:
    4chan.org/pol/

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  27. colm says:

    Eisenhower did his utmost to deny the US 9th Army, which had no opposition, from entering Berlin in late April 1945.

    It is fitting that USSR/Russia’s ‘contribution’ is finally being denied after all these years.

    Next step – blast the Russian memorial at Berlin and exhume the Soviet soldiers buried in Germany, and dump their ashes at the Russian embassy in the German capital.

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    • Replies: @22pp22
    Some facts.

    1). Stalin was as bad if not worse than Hitler. Agreed.

    2). Russia, not the USA, was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler. They inflicted the bulk of the casualties suffered by the Germans. For most of the war, 4/5 of the German army was on the Eastern front. That proportion never fell below 3/4.

    3). What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    4). Digging up the bodies of slain Russian soldiers and dumping them? I have a nasty feeling you're serious. You seriously need psychiatric help.
  28. 22pp22 says:
    @colm
    Eisenhower did his utmost to deny the US 9th Army, which had no opposition, from entering Berlin in late April 1945.

    It is fitting that USSR/Russia's 'contribution' is finally being denied after all these years.

    Next step - blast the Russian memorial at Berlin and exhume the Soviet soldiers buried in Germany, and dump their ashes at the Russian embassy in the German capital.

    Some facts.

    1). Stalin was as bad if not worse than Hitler. Agreed.

    2). Russia, not the USA, was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler. They inflicted the bulk of the casualties suffered by the Germans. For most of the war, 4/5 of the German army was on the Eastern front. That proportion never fell below 3/4.

    3). What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    4). Digging up the bodies of slain Russian soldiers and dumping them? I have a nasty feeling you’re serious. You seriously need psychiatric help.

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    • Replies: @KA
    Sometimes one wonders why Hitler did not see the reality of the situation. The danger was from Britain. The war was started by Britain. Britain refused any effort of a solution as it did in WW1 . Why did Hitler fight the British American war against Soviet?
    The World war could have started earlier if the response to American invasion of Soviet in ? 1926 took the same logical and political trajectory as it did following Hitler invasion of Poland who basically refused any all overtures from Hitler.
    , @colm
    > What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.

    If Putin and his gang are gone, whoever might succeed him will be a good client of the West.
  29. KA says:
    @22pp22
    Some facts.

    1). Stalin was as bad if not worse than Hitler. Agreed.

    2). Russia, not the USA, was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler. They inflicted the bulk of the casualties suffered by the Germans. For most of the war, 4/5 of the German army was on the Eastern front. That proportion never fell below 3/4.

    3). What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    4). Digging up the bodies of slain Russian soldiers and dumping them? I have a nasty feeling you're serious. You seriously need psychiatric help.

    Sometimes one wonders why Hitler did not see the reality of the situation. The danger was from Britain. The war was started by Britain. Britain refused any effort of a solution as it did in WW1 . Why did Hitler fight the British American war against Soviet?
    The World war could have started earlier if the response to American invasion of Soviet in ? 1926 took the same logical and political trajectory as it did following Hitler invasion of Poland who basically refused any all overtures from Hitler.

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  30. colm says:
    @22pp22
    Some facts.

    1). Stalin was as bad if not worse than Hitler. Agreed.

    2). Russia, not the USA, was primarily responsible for defeating Hitler. They inflicted the bulk of the casualties suffered by the Germans. For most of the war, 4/5 of the German army was on the Eastern front. That proportion never fell below 3/4.

    3). What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    4). Digging up the bodies of slain Russian soldiers and dumping them? I have a nasty feeling you're serious. You seriously need psychiatric help.

    > What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.

    If Putin and his gang are gone, whoever might succeed him will be a good client of the West.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.
     
    Why on earth would one want to do that? You are essentially advocating going halfway around the world and inciting people to kill one another. Assuming you are an American, don't you think we have enough trouble at home that needs rectifying?

    I can't even imagine what it would be like if China or some other nation felt that same way towards us, and starting supplying weapons to blacks, hispanics and others to try to rip this nation apart.
    , @MarkinLA
    So we start a potential nuclear war over Chechnya and assume that Russia just stands idly by and takes it? We assume that without Putin the next guy is our lap-dog?

    You must have some of that super-weed I keep hearing about.
  31. Christo says:
    @Kiza
    If Paul Craig Roberts, Mike Whitney and Philip Giraldi were the Gods of Olympus, then Israel Shamir would be the Zeus himself (LOL). Well, as a self-hating-Jew who shuttles between Moscow and Tel-Aviv, he certainly is one of the most intelligent and the best informed people in the World. "Self-hating-Jew" is the popular label that Likudniks and their US neocon corps put on all dissenters of Jewish origin. For me, Israel Shamir is simply the best argument in the World against anti-Semitism: it is not "the Jews" who are wagging the US dog and the whole World with it, it is the Likudnik neocon cult, that is, the mad-dog Jews. But there is nothing importantly Jewish in these mad-dog Jews, they are identical to the mad-dog Muslims and all other extremists and fundamentalists in the World.

    Here, Israel best summarises the feelings of ordinary Russians regarding the West and the Russian pro-Western liberals: "Until now, Russia, like a country bumpkin in Eton, tried to belong." Do you remember the Clinton's mad laugh as the his drunken puppet Yeltsin was flatulating in the rithm of the honorary music? Well, it appears that Russia finally had enough of the wish to belong to Cosa Nostra (sorry Israel Shamir, Cosa Nostra criminal gang not Eaton).

    Finally, a note about the joke called credit ratings and especially Russia's credit rating. José Manuel Barroso recently visited China to seek billions of investment into EU to save the EU from the forthcoming financial disaster, of either having to print/QE Euro or to go bankrupt. But did you know that Chinese debt has lower Credit Rating than EU's? If you wondered why Russia and China want to separate their finance from the West, there is why? It is the Western Funny House financial system.

    I find the logic used to be difficult to follow in the article; also the comments. What I did read about years ago was that Putin had a Jewish mother, and that modern Russia is very much a product of Wall Street. The media tries very hard to project the image of Russia as playing a dialectical role vis-a-vis the “West”. I get very tired of all this

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    I am not an expert on Putin, but it is certain that he has been labeled both Hitler and Jewish by his enemies. Hillary calls him Hitler, her Ukrainian Nazis call him Jewish. Regarding Russia being a product of Wall Street, well that was the previous Russia of Yeltsin. That one is gone, hopefully never to come back. Most Russians consider Putin the guarantor that such Russia will never come back. This is one of the reasons for his popularity.
  32. iSteveFan says:
    @colm
    > What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.

    If Putin and his gang are gone, whoever might succeed him will be a good client of the West.

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.

    Why on earth would one want to do that? You are essentially advocating going halfway around the world and inciting people to kill one another. Assuming you are an American, don’t you think we have enough trouble at home that needs rectifying?

    I can’t even imagine what it would be like if China or some other nation felt that same way towards us, and starting supplying weapons to blacks, hispanics and others to try to rip this nation apart.

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    • Replies: @colm
    Well, precisely the same thing happened in South Sudan. South Sudan had some oil and were not happy about being ruled by muslim northerners. So the West tore southern Sudan from the main part of the African country. Now South Sudan is just another basket case, but it doesn't matter since it means Sudan can't use their oil revenue.
  33. Price of oil: Check the Wikipedia history for the history of oil price drops and notice a much bigger drop in 2009 than we see today Matt Taibbi in his book Griftopia offers this explanation: World money flow through oil may be huge, but the sum total of retirement money controlled by Wall Street is a lot bigger. Farmers and oil men hate price fluctuations, while Wall Street loves traders. With steady prices there wouldn’t be any.

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  34. Kiza says:
    @Christo
    I find the logic used to be difficult to follow in the article; also the comments. What I did read about years ago was that Putin had a Jewish mother, and that modern Russia is very much a product of Wall Street. The media tries very hard to project the image of Russia as playing a dialectical role vis-a-vis the "West". I get very tired of all this

    I am not an expert on Putin, but it is certain that he has been labeled both Hitler and Jewish by his enemies. Hillary calls him Hitler, her Ukrainian Nazis call him Jewish. Regarding Russia being a product of Wall Street, well that was the previous Russia of Yeltsin. That one is gone, hopefully never to come back. Most Russians consider Putin the guarantor that such Russia will never come back. This is one of the reasons for his popularity.

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  35. MarkinLA says:
    @colm
    > What do we gain from picking a fight with Russia? A useless and very expensive client-state in Ukraine. Russia is in a perfect position to make life very difficult indeed for US forces in the Middle East.

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.

    If Putin and his gang are gone, whoever might succeed him will be a good client of the West.

    So we start a potential nuclear war over Chechnya and assume that Russia just stands idly by and takes it? We assume that without Putin the next guy is our lap-dog?

    You must have some of that super-weed I keep hearing about.

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    • Replies: @colm
    On 1994, when Russia was having all these trouble, nobody ever heard about Putin.

    In this scenario, with Russia under implosion, he might become the Prince of St.Petersburg and talk big mouth, which would only be heard by people living in that city.

    Russia would probably break up. A few nukes will fire, to kill other Russians. Russia breaks up into a bunch of smaller entities. America will be content about having the suzerainty over a few key regions.
  36. Jim Webb:

    I shouldn’t dignify your ridiculous rant – though some points might have some relevance – with any attention. But I can’t let your inane statements that genes determine all aspects of human behaviour – language, thought, creativity, motivation, art – go unchallenged.

    I suggest you study the banana – with which we have more than 50% of genes in common. Then explain those aspects of human behaviour that correspond.

    You might have a problem with the primary assumption of agency , since bananas show no signs of consciousness – but don’t let empirical realities get in your way .

    BTW folks..IQ was originally devised by Alfred Binet to identify ‘morons’ from children who manifested no outward signs of brain damage. The tests since devised are nothing more than elaborations – a measure basically of how educable an individual is within systems that prioritise literacy and numeracy.

    The standard tests will never identify a Beethoven or MichaelAngelo – they have no qualitative dimension. Einstein would probably have measured as little more than average as he was dyslexic. Superior performance on such tests across populations are good measures of shared cultural values: attempts to make them cultural free have proved pointless, and have been abandoned.

    Current models posit more than one kind of intelligence with emotional intelligence being rated as most conducive to the advance of human happiness in toto. The sensus communis – common sense – already knows that, but it always takes a while for academia to catch up.

    Besides, if it was locally, if not globally applied, too many social ‘scientists’ would be out of jobs.

    And we can’t have that, can we ?

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  37. @jimbojones
    @ TomB

    The oil prices started falling at about the same time the crisis in Ukraine began to heat up. The single country hit hardest by the drop in oil prices is exactly Russia. It doesn't get any more obvious than this.

    Supply and demand can't account for such a wide swing in the price of oil. It's not as if a huge gusher of oil erupted in the middle of nowhere, driving supply up and prices down.
    The economic warfare on Russia might not be the sole cause of the swing in oil prices; it might not even be the major cause (though it probably is); but it definitely is a significant cause.

    Though, to be fair to you, what seems to have happened is this: the US and Saudi Arabia got angry at Russia, and the Saudis flooded the market. So in some sense, there is "supply and demand." But the supply is entirely manipulable, and therefore so is the entire market.

    From the point of view of a curious observer sympathetic to both Russia and the West (though not much to the power centers of the West), I think that this maneuver with the price of oil is more or less fair game (unlike the silly sanctions that hurt Europe as much as they do Russia). Russia should have the fortitude and sagacity to diversify her economy and strengthen her financial system; or she should bend the knee (which, of course, being Russia, she'd never do).

    The main reason for the huge fall in the price of oil, is all the oil derivative contracts.

    Norwegian, Russian, American oil companies insure themselves against a fall in the oil price. Even if the price goes to zero, many oil companies will still get say 100$ per barrel, where the difference is mainly payed by US banks.

    It is funny that the banks that are bleeding dollars now, are the same banks that demand oil companies buy insurance to get loans to invest.

    I would not be surprised if Russia helped drive the price even further down, so that the Ruble tanked, and Russia could buy back a lot foreign owned industry.

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  38. […] 19 janvier 2015, sur UNZ.com, Israël Shamir publie l’article «Trolling Russia». Il estime que deux […]

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  39. colm says:
    @MarkinLA
    So we start a potential nuclear war over Chechnya and assume that Russia just stands idly by and takes it? We assume that without Putin the next guy is our lap-dog?

    You must have some of that super-weed I keep hearing about.

    On 1994, when Russia was having all these trouble, nobody ever heard about Putin.

    In this scenario, with Russia under implosion, he might become the Prince of St.Petersburg and talk big mouth, which would only be heard by people living in that city.

    Russia would probably break up. A few nukes will fire, to kill other Russians. Russia breaks up into a bunch of smaller entities. America will be content about having the suzerainty over a few key regions.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Russia would probably break up. A few nukes will fire, to kill other Russians. Russia breaks up into a bunch of smaller entities. America will be content about having the suzerainty over a few key regions.
     
    You really seem geared up about exercising suzerainty over parts of Russia. I do not share your view. I'd rather exercise sovereignty over my nation, e.g. the US-Mexican border. I am more concerned about the results of our victory in 1848 being overturned than I am about the border lines of Chechnya, Georgia or Ukraine.
  40. colm says:
    @iSteveFan

    In my opinion USA should have went for the breakup of Russia by recognizing Chechnya. Back then yeltsin was in no shape to nuke USA back, and Russia would have broken up into a number of states, some of them client states of the west and others the west could care less.

    In other words, make Russia into a greater Serbia and let these people reduce each other while the West sells them ammo.
     
    Why on earth would one want to do that? You are essentially advocating going halfway around the world and inciting people to kill one another. Assuming you are an American, don't you think we have enough trouble at home that needs rectifying?

    I can't even imagine what it would be like if China or some other nation felt that same way towards us, and starting supplying weapons to blacks, hispanics and others to try to rip this nation apart.

    Well, precisely the same thing happened in South Sudan. South Sudan had some oil and were not happy about being ruled by muslim northerners. So the West tore southern Sudan from the main part of the African country. Now South Sudan is just another basket case, but it doesn’t matter since it means Sudan can’t use their oil revenue.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Russians love conspiracies and are likely to view a falling meteorite or an earthquake as a result of hostile American action.”

    Is there a way to fake a falling meteorite or an earthquake? I mean, the word “conspiracy” means “a bunch of folks who decide to fake something in order to fool lots of people”. As far as I know, there’s no way to fake earthquakes and falling meteorites. No conpirado there, amigo.

    There are, however, ways to fake financial emergencies, terrorist attacks, military attacks, Moon landings, presidential assassinations, statistics such as election results and war casualties, genealogy, historical records. All you need to fake any of these things is determination, money and influence. I’m not necessarily saying there are tons of huge conspiracies, just that the world is ruled by adult people who want profit, power and prostitutes, not by 6-year-olds who want to be Abraham Lincoln. American masses, grow frikken up, already. Follow the money. Leave kindergarten to kindergarteners.

    The part about Russians seeing “hostile American action” everywhere is probably because of, you know, Vietnam and Iraq – two wars Americans started IN ANOTHER FRIGGIN HEMISPHERE on false pretexts. By the way, where are Saddam’s WMDs, huh? (Can we say “Wore Tree-Bew-Null on Eye-Raque”?) And also because Reagan, G.W. Bush and CIA did their best to break the USSR apart, and then Harvard U sent in their “money experts” to impoverish and pillage Russia, at the time the world’s 3rd richest country. Lotta Loot for ‘em ‘merican Juice.

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  42. iSteveFan says:
    @colm
    On 1994, when Russia was having all these trouble, nobody ever heard about Putin.

    In this scenario, with Russia under implosion, he might become the Prince of St.Petersburg and talk big mouth, which would only be heard by people living in that city.

    Russia would probably break up. A few nukes will fire, to kill other Russians. Russia breaks up into a bunch of smaller entities. America will be content about having the suzerainty over a few key regions.

    Russia would probably break up. A few nukes will fire, to kill other Russians. Russia breaks up into a bunch of smaller entities. America will be content about having the suzerainty over a few key regions.

    You really seem geared up about exercising suzerainty over parts of Russia. I do not share your view. I’d rather exercise sovereignty over my nation, e.g. the US-Mexican border. I am more concerned about the results of our victory in 1848 being overturned than I am about the border lines of Chechnya, Georgia or Ukraine.

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